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BlusBrry & Besties | Episode Three | A little talk on a COVID TRUTHER, BC vs. AB & 2020 CPC ELECTION

BlusBrry & Besties

00:27 sec | 8 months ago

BlusBrry & Besties | Episode Three | A little talk on a COVID TRUTHER, BC vs. AB & 2020 CPC ELECTION

"Could hear me right now I can hear you. Wearing. A because there's no. It's a it's a fake pandemic. Created. To destroy the United States of America. The president said the Bob Woodward there is a virus, the virus that it is devil that's his opinion. The truth is, is the CDC centered about? Ten thousand people die from Cova did the other one, hundred, ninety, thousand have to two point six.

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Journalist Bob Woodward Says Trump Is 'The Wrong Man For The Job'

Coronavirus Daily

12:19 min | 8 months ago

Journalist Bob Woodward Says Trump Is 'The Wrong Man For The Job'

"If. This is what president trump knew about the corona virus on February seventh you just read the air that's how it's passed. And so that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one. It's also more deadly than your. Your even your strenuous lose. Why was he saying this about the coronavirus public less than three weeks later sometimes, they just get the sniffles sometimes they just get something within not feeling quite right and sometimes they feel really bad. But that's a little bit like the flu. It's a little like the regular flu that it's a question that's dogged the president ever since that first recording went public last week from an interview with journalist Bob Woodward. Bob Woodward. Of course is one of the Washington Post reporters who broke the Watergate story that eventually led to Richard Nixon's resignation. These revelations come from hours of interviews. Woodward recorded with Donald Trump for his new book. It's called. Rage. I wanted to always play it down I still like playing down. Yes. Because I don't want to create a panic. The book is out this week and Woodward sat down with NPR to talk about it. He's an old school journalist. So committed to impartiality that he said, he doesn't vote in presidential elections but Woodward said his reporting led him to take a position on this president. Consider this the journalist who has covered nine President says one is the wrong man for the job from NPR I'm audie Cornish. Fourteenth. This message comes from NPR sponsor new Belgium brewing in its flagship beer fat tire amber ale you can't brew. Great Beer without. Healthy. Rivers, forests, and soils. That's why fat tire Amber Ale is America's first certified carbon neutral beer more et drink sustainably dot com. This message comes from NPR sponsor Twi-. Leo a customer engagement platform trusted by millions of developers enabling you to reinvent has. With your customers whatever your use case Twi- Leo has your back. It's time to build visit. Twi- Leo Dot Com. I'm Lisa Hagen and I'm Chris Axel were the hosts of no compromise NPR's new podcast exploring one families mission to reconstruct America, using too powerful tools, guns, and facebook new episodes drop every. Tuesday. Join US for the no compromise podcast from NPR. From NPR the biggest news in Bob Woodward's book is the Gulf between. President. Trump's public statements on covid nineteen and his private understanding of the threat has revealed in interviews his opponent Democratic candidate, Joe Biden said, the recording show trump lied to the American public he knew how dangerous it was. All this deadly disease rip through our nation he failed to do his job on purpose. A life and death betrayal of the American people expert ninety went as far as to blame trump for thousands of corona virus deaths, trump's defense. He didn't want to create a panic. Perfect is a cheerleader for this country. I love our country and I don't want people to be frightened. I don't want to create panic as you say and. I'm. Not going to drive. This country or the world into a frenzy we want to show. Show spring in an interview with NPR's Mary Louise Kelley Woodward comes to the conclusion that the president failed to protect the country from the virus. She's here with us now and Mary Louise This is not the first book to paint a picture of a chaotic trump administration having difficulties responding to unexpected crises. What sets it apart? Hey, Audie I mean what? What Bob Woodward say is, this is a window in to the president's mind at Woodward got extraordinary access something like nine hours cumulative of interviews, and often these were interviews that were unfolding in the evening. There were no White House aides around there was nobody to rein in the president's or say you know we're done. That's enough of that line of questioning. So what would was able to to question him at length and over months and try to gauge how the president's understanding was was evolving in on everything from from racial justice to the pandemic, which has been the thing that's made a lot of headline so far to foreign policy. And that part of this book has gotten less play. It is really interesting what some of what Woodward learned about other threats beyond the pandemic facing our country and our national security including one. Let me let you hear this where I asked about a recent threat that was a lot more urgent than many of us realised based on your reporting. How close did we come to war with? North Korea. I. Think. Given North, Korea's a rogue nation they have as I report. Probably, a couple of dozen nuclear weapons well, hidden and concealed. That I it. Scared Secretary of Defense Madness so much that he would sleep in his gym clothes there was a light in his bathroom. Is he if he was in the shower and they detected a North Korean launch, he was worried he might have to. Issue Orders for a nuclear strike yes. Exactly. What but but not just shoot down incoming missile yes. Because what if the first missile was coming toward the United States and the there was a possibility it had a nuclear weapon. President trump and president trump told me this. He authorized Secretary of Defense Mattis on his own to shoot it down. If Kim. saw that he might launch all of his other weapons. I quote mad as say, no one. Has a right to incinerate millions of people but he had to face that he was not worried that trump was going to launch against North Korea. Preemptively, he believed that the problem was Kim Jong on the North Korean leader in the Epilogue, you write about Mattis about secretary of State Rex, Tillerson about director of National Intelligence coach, the trio of original senior the now senior national security team, all of whom in your judgment. Were acting in good faith. Well, intentioned trying to answer a call public service. You'd say to the reader to slow down. Think about this for a moment, the top national security leaders thought the president of the United States was a danger to the country. In your decades reporting on Washington have you ever encountered that? Well, in the case of Nixon the. Congress and the Republican leaders in. Congress decided that Nixon was criminal and should not serve and went to him and told him that it was over and I'm talking but senior national security leaders who served this president coming out and saying not just I don't like him anymore not just. I. Disagreed with this or that policy, but he poses a threat to the security of the country. No. I know you and Carl Bernstein. Written about the end of Watergate and Nixon unraveling questions about his stability. How does that moment compared to now? you know I don't I don't know I mean I think I've president trump was willing to talk extensively he called me spontaneously I think seven times the last ten months I called him I think seven times and either answer right away or called me Up from at least one of those calls, I know because you write about it they April. Fifth one you said I hung up distressed beyond being a reporter feeling worried for the country. Yes. Because I had done a lot of reporting on what needed to be done with the virus, and in that call I wanted to give him a chance. And I said look you're going to be judged. By the virus this is at that point the and sixty thousand people were dead. I was pushing him to. Deal with it quite frankly, and this is a reporter's question from reporting and talking. To other officials and At the end of the book is you may recall I say in totality. Trump. Is the wrong man for the job? Is that a first for you? Issuing a ruling on the fitness of president for the job. Well, for the first trump book fear I said very explicitly that there is a nervous breakdown of the executive branch. Personal in this one? No. Well, it's trump said it's. The judgment based on overwhelming evidence. And can you briefly describe why why did you feel the need to come down with that judgment on this president now? Because I had extensive information that he failed to keep the country safe when he knew an had information. That could keep the country much safer because he failed to tell the truth. And if there's a tragedy, all of this and I think there is. It's the trump who said. I wanted to play it down because I didn't WanNA create a panic. And my study of nine presidents, twenty percent of the presidents we've had and of the history before that. Is when the country's told the truth, they don't panic. Last thing. We're in this moment where whatever your politics Americans are scared. Everything feels so unsettled. The future of our democracy future of our country feels at stake. and. So I guess I'm curious. You. Bob Woodward how worried are you? Having lived through and having driven a million news cycles does this different? You know there's a lot of worry about what trump will do the deal put troops in the street and he did. In. A very limited way. And and I asked him this question. Suppose you lose what are you? GonNa do when? The election and he I don't want to comment on that. But. We still we can sit. And have this conversation. I can make the kind of judgments of our leader. That Journalists in many countries in the world cannot make. So I say in the book that. For the moment democracy has helped. But leadership has failed. Bob Woodward speaking with my colleague Mary Louise Kelley, about his new book rage. You can find a link to more of the interview in our show notes including questions about why would we chose to wait to reveal trump's corona virus interviews in his book? Thanks for joining US consider this from NPR. I'm audie Cornish consider. This is a partnership between NPR and W. A. M. U. to help you understand the news that is happening around the world and here in the Washington region please keep listening and downloading will be back with news about the Washington region as well as your national news.

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Bob Woodward Is Back. Plus: Don Winslow on Fiction and Politics.

Channel 33

55:19 min | 8 months ago

Bob Woodward Is Back. Plus: Don Winslow on Fiction and Politics.

"David. Bob Woodward's new Donald. Trump book is called a rage. Is. PREVIOUS DONALD TRUMP book was fear. So. If Woodward makes it a trump TRIFECTA. What do me one word title? Will he choose next? When is this ain't blazin future where trump is reelected or is this post post post trump book about trump let your imagination wander. I mean. We've seen that trump has managed to break some of our you know. Some journalists you'd get breeze against her to be unbreakable over the past four years. I can totally imagine a world in which Bob Bob Woodward book was trump was reelected was just the title is how? Damn. Oh Hell I. Guess that's two words and. What do you do? You think Bob Woodward would drop the F bomb on there for the title of his book or is he is he dignified for that? Feels like more of a Matt Taibbi kind of move than a Bob Woodward kind of move for in the political writer I just like him doing moods right or moods or feelings so there's fear. There's rage ride acceptance. Resignation resignation who that works two ways. That's good. I like resignation coming from Simon and Schuster in twenty twenty, two resignation style of the breast box part of the ringer podcast network. Hello Media Consumers, Bryan Curtis and David Shoemaker here the big show for you today will answer your listener mail including the question. What's the press boxes Mount Rushmore of great headlines The amazing novelist Don winslow stops by to talk about his crime fiction and the twitter videos producing to sideswipe Donald trump lusts David guesses a strain pond headline and the overworked twitter joke of the week but I David Bob Woodward's back. So what was President Xi saying yesterday we're talking mostly about the. Virus and. I think he's going to have it in good shape but you know it's very tricky situation. It's deed goes it goes through Airbus that's always tougher than the touch in touch. You don't have to touch things right but the air you breathe the air that's how it's. passed. and. So that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one It's also more deadly than your. You Know Your even your strenuous lose you know people don't realize we lose twenty, five, thousand, thirty, thousand people a year here who would ever think that right I know? That's Pretty Isaac. And then I say. The same thing for more deadly this is five per you know this is five percent versus one percent and less than one percent you know. So this is deadly stuff. Is there feel like your entire adult life David has been one long Bob Woodward News Cycle? Are. Crystalline shop did the power rankings couple years ago when he did the last book and I was looking at it, I was like not only have I read a ton of these books. I have made content about a ton of these books and I'm not even a political reporter. Yeah it's easy to. When there's not when we're not into, you know the leaving through the press pack of a new book. It's easy to forget. But yes, I mean I our. Political calendar at least going back to. The Clinton years I mean I know yet obviously, Watergate's where it began like the Clinton leaders. In our case, the Clinton years aren't they are political calendar is structured around. A book releases I mean it's it's Kinda crazy. There's to every every term and They really direct talks about you know steering the news cycle and everything just sort of read in the context of those books. It's Bob Woodward releases and then everyone in the White House and the Oval Office pointing at each other for why did you talk to Bob Woodward? Why did we let the president talked about Woodworth? Those are the two things we can count on it every administration, but isn't Bob Woodward of all of them I'm sorry to. Interrupt but I, mean in some ways Bob Woodward is the is the one instance of this that makes sense. Right? I mean this book is going to get written. It's going to have numerous people on or off the record regardless of whether or not talk it's almost as if you gotta hoped by being on the record and by cooperating you blunt the force of it not by just getting your message out there, which is what a lot of. A lot of the people in trump's team were telling him in interviewing this. But almost that you change the perception from the consumer of the book if you're perceived to be onboard. It's almost like a it's like Michael Jordan producing his own documentary. You know it's like. Well, we just think we think of it in a different way if you're if you're involved. I don't know and and the Woodward books I guess said they're gonNA happen. They're going to sell a million copies and it's different than like giving a. Giving an accidental five hour sit down to Olympia measure whatever, and that's not a reflection of hers, her abilities or anything but the Woodward books are going to be epic regardless and sitting down with them as a is kind of a right of passage but it's a little bit and it's also kind of understandable. It's Let's dig through a few of the revelations from Bob. Woodward's the last dance trump edition. Hear that clip. You just heard from February seventh a full month before the NBA shut down by the way and enduring that much trump was saying the virus was going away. It was going to be close to zero cases that it would miraculously disappear contra to everything. He saying there to Bob Woodward CNN also had the tape of a march nineteenth interview in which trump told Woodward how he was talking about the virus to the American public. Now it's turning out it's not just old people by which is today and yesterday. Some startling facts came out. It's not just old old exactly to plenty of young people. So here's what he's going to give me. A. Moment of talking to somebody going through this without she or somebody who kind of. it caused a pivot in your mind because it's clear just from what's in on the public record that you went through a pivot on this too. Oh, my God, the gravity is almost. Inexplicable unexplainable. Bob Really to be honest with you. I want you wanted to I wanted to always play it down I still like playing it down. Yes. Because I don't WanNA create a panic. Fascinated by hearing the journalist asked the questions. And how they walk the trump like figure up to answers like that by the way I can just get to listen to the I'm you and I are probably people on Earth I. Listen To this all day I mean it's just absolutely. Fascinating yeah. was there anything better than the own I want you to be honest when trump set out to be honest and it's really just like Yeah He he's not steering. He's just sort of like. Him on the back and letting the conversation go on sedately be Sam Stein pointed out on twitter we've known for while that trump was downplaying the virus we knew he was warned early on about the severity of the virus but a Stein says, what's new here is trump is admitting the ladder as he did, the former right were being able to put dates onto this time and saying very specifically on February seventh. This is what Donald Trump thought. We know this because Donald Trump is on tape saying it. And that's very valuable when sorta going often and uncovering all this Stein also tweeted, there is so much in the Washington Post piece on the Woodward Book that it's buried in like the thirty paragraph that trump accidentally revealed a new US nuclear weapon system. Just, an incidental revelation in Woodward's reporting. To the question of how did Woodward, pull this off which you raise David I absolutely. Agree with you. It's the implied threat that Bob Woodward is going to write this anyway and we should note that that is the implied threat that is. Underlying so much journalism particularly political journalists made some level. It's a power struggle. Do, we think that this journalist is going to get this story. And we think they have the ability. Do we think they've already gotten the story? And if so then we want to come in and help this journalist or or at least talk to this journalist That's is a very basic journalistic transaction with Woodward. It's magnified because it's like corona virus trump a huge bestselling book. Yeah. But that to me is a very, very normal every day power struggle between journalists and subject. Yeah and I know I made that case before but there isn't but in a lot of ways are a lot of instances the trump administration. Should be the administration most insulated from that sort of transactional, and then the best possible way you know journalism, which is to say that like. In every big. Almost every every big trump administration scoop that I can think of. It's not a matter whether the reporter got. It would have gotten scuba anyway it's all. It's almost always the access is the scoop, right? It's like the pret- being present. It becomes the scoop in and of itself hearing somebody say Sung with trump again, interview with trump is the scoop or the quote is you know the the quote becomes the whole thing and so you know practically. espe- in the windy days that we live in. I think this book would probably I mean would certainly be a lot less damaging to trump himself. He weren't on tape certainly, if you weren't on tape saying these things to be a lot easier for his here in kind of hand wave away as they've already tried to do you know even with the stuff on tape but you know these down with them and need the he made Iki made a calculated decision, and now we see what we got part of the appeal surely for trump to his Bob Woodward celebrity Bob Woodward and no, it's not that Sh- love from the Washington Post or the New York Times he's always trying to get into your. This is Bob Woodward. And now, with some respect for this man trump blood celebrities, we know in Woodward two years ago published his first trump book didn't get a trump interview and trump acted at the time like he was disappointed that his staff had not brought the invitation to write. CNN's Kaitlan. Collins said trump thought he could have convinced Woodward to make him look better as you pointed out and trump even told Woodward. I'm very open to you. I think you've always been fair. So that's a funny thing, and by the way there is a trump tweet for that TM. This is from two thousand twelve. He's talking about watching Hannity Shawn's interview with Bob Woodward on Hannity Show is very interesting. Woodward was great. Okay. So there you go with that how could you possibly spend this? When? Well, here's Louisiana Senator John Kennedy was CNN's Pamela Brown Can Do share with you my point of view Pamela These. These gotcha books don't really interest me that much on the record he's on. These these gotcha books don't really interest me that much. There'll be a new one out tomorrow but this is different. He he did eighteen interviews with Bob Woodward. So you he's he's recorded. You hear his voice. And you're seeing that you're contrasting that with what he says to the public wouldn't that be something of interest to you as a United States senator. Well let me let me answer you again. These gotcha books really interest me. Think John Kennedy was actually holding the Jeffrey Goldberg talking points like well, these anonymous sources here really got no. No, no senator. This is the president's voice on tape. This is not the anonymous source well. It says here the Atlantic article is filled with anonymous sources. It was so generic Oh my God that's so great. I mean. Yeah. This is what happens when you're just like totally caught flat-footed you know when you only have. There's no defense. You know you end up with a one that within one line events fossil I don't know why you're going on. TV. To try to put that out there. But somebody's gotTa do it. I guess Kaley mcenaney had version of this. She said, well, this is something that the president allegedly told Bob Woodward and the person in the crowd no no. We actually heard the president's Voice I. Don't know what allegedly I can hear the voice on the tape. Saying the thing that is what we're referring to by the way I. All the time of this podcast but the the journalist tweet. Particularly from political journalists where people are like why in the world would president trump talked to Bob Woodward? These are people who spend their whole day trying to get politicians to talk to them against interest and then when a politician does exactly that they do this weird twitter thing like why in the world would he do stop that? You're you're you're doing the same thing? Yeah. All the time. Yeah. Congratulate the president for doing it. Yeah. Exactly. Like why would we want to? Why would we want to put into the air that politicians shouldn't be this dumb. They don't they should do this all the time I never I never get that bit and holds it comes out every time. There's a revealing interview. The big media question that sort of consumed twitter at least are part of twitter yesterday was should Woodward have spilled the beans? About some of these revelations rather than waiting seven months, spill the beans at the time. Yes Yeah Call up his editor at The Washington Post and say, I got I got something I got something and it cannot hold for the bookstore. I have thought about this over the last day or so. I sort of think Woodward's culpability here can be overstated somewhat I saw yesterday. People saying well, people died because of Donald Trump and Bob Woodward. I'm not sure they belong on the same platform there. You know I I think that's not the. Way To put it. It is. Hard for me to understand. Why he held this news. Outside. Of the fact that he wanted to put it into a book. I've read a couple different interviews with him. He's done this whole thing. Why needed check it out like check out the president's direct words I don't I don't quite I just didn't understand that to me. The most convincing cases he wanted to hold this for his book. This is how big nonfiction books work. Right they don't want it to be parceled out to the newspaper. And so he held it for the book. Did you hear anything more convincing than that? No Era Gwen Bill has some good quotes in defensive it that I thought were sort of abstractly compelling I mean I think that razor will lead a CD your conclusion being the right one right I mean there might be a little bit of a lot of external or a lot of other justifications for this. But I think that I mean just practically when you're writing a book I, mean you're you're nonfiction book, The you are. Targeting the release of your book as the diamond, all the information within it is released right I mean that's the that's just practically where he began in an often were you in. And it's often attention with newspaper reporters like why aren't you putting that in the paper? Why are you holding this for months down the line? And the argument here is we're in the middle of this absolutely bonkers. Pandemic. And the president is on tape. You have him on tape saying something about the virus that is vastly different from what he is telling the public about the virus. And vastly different from the way the seriousness he is conveying to the public. So given that give it an as tens of thousands of people die. How do you not at that point go? Okay. I know I got a deal, but I have to the public deserves to understand this information. When they're evaluating the president or when they're going about their daily lives. Well I think there's I think there's a couple of things here I. Mean I think. That air as I said, I mean other people have made this. Case for journalistic integrity. I. Think you can. You can journalistic ethics. Can. I think it can justify holding it I mean it but you're talking about a question of morality and I think once you get into that territory. It's murkier. I I think that the answer is he should have. Alerted the world from a moral perspective but you know I mean you can certainly question whether or not. That would have made any difference at all. Because, we're not talking about policy distinction. We're not talking about incoming out there. If he was out there, that would free Anthony Voucher the CDC or whoever else is under trump's thumb to act differently, it certainly wouldn't have necessarily made any sort of. Governing Change Shroud of the White House and probably not out of Congress you. So you're basically saying if Woodward had done the right thing then legions of trump's supporters that were flouting masks and and. Driving up infection rates because the president told them like. You know insouciance is the way to go would have changed their mind because Woodward said, it would have released this tape I. Don't know that that's true. No and I don't even get to that second step of what would have happened if he had done this I, mean you can certainly say that if you're blaming Woodward for thousands of deaths whatever. But I just get to the sets of should you should you put it out or not right journal journalists cannot control the flow of history to the to that degree, but they can do their. Best. To put out information factual information in this case from the lips of the president as quickly as possible and I saw people saying, well, he might have made a deal with people in the trump White House. They would hold us which turns out. He did not make a deal or early said, he didn't make a deal will remember the Brett Cavanaugh thing. We did a couple of weeks ago where he had that he was going to out Brett Cavenaugh as one of his sources because Brett Cavanaugh was up for the Supreme Court and Woodward. Deemed it important. Enough Well. So we understand that Woodward's deals with his sources. Can Be changed based on circumstances extraordinary circumstances. And surely these count as extraordinary circumstances if you don't think trump by the way has tried to. Get in on the whole Woodward held the scoop thing. Here's a tweet from today Bob. Woodward had my quotes for many months fit. They were so bad or dangerous wide, and he immediately report them in an effort to save lives. Didn't he have an obligation to do so no because he knew they were good and proper answers. Calm. No panic exclamation point. And I think what's getting a report is David to here is just the machinery of the Book Rollout Yeah CNN gets the tapes yesterday. Woodward is going to be on sixty minutes on. Sunday. He cannot answer questions about the book other than how he reported it until the proper role out on sixty minutes, and then the book comes out two days later. And that just feels. A little weird and a little unnerving. Given the scoop and given the subject of the virus I. Mean I don't think the I, think that. This is a very interesting conversation and I think that I. I. Yeah. I I I was leaning towards where you are that. He should have. He should've I. Think you're right journalists can't. Talk about. The to steer history but. I think that's a lot of the response I mean, a lot of there is a lot of the reactions that you're seeing right now are like you said at the top of the segment that Woodward and trump have you know responsible for all these deaths you know? Think. That's that's taking it too far. Yeah. I think there's a there's a more subtle. There's a more subtle point than that one last no David amidst all the coverage we hit a journalistic milestone yesterday. Here's Carl Bernstein Woodward's old partner on CNN. Has Happened during Nixon's the end of Nixon President, the Republican leadership including Barry Goldwater nineteen sixty, four nominee of his party for president went to the White House told Nixon he had to resign and the fact here are even graver than in water day graver than Watergate worse than Watergate that sounds like a big deal coming from Carl Bernstein. But bursting actually says this all the time. Donald Trump. Here he was two years ago during the Muller Investigation more than that I think it's time to recognize that what we are watching in trump presidency is worse than Watergate politico in fact, has a historical list of forty six scandals that people over the years have called quote worse than. Watergate. So I think we should start using this now the Milwaukee Bucks Picking Eric Bledsoe Malcolm Brogden worse than Watergate and I'm willing to go out on a limb. We just have A. Segment, wherever weekly find something is worse than Watergate and give it a give it a championship belt. Absolutely absolutely that weekly worse than. Watergate. Now on the ring. Something I saw and I take this week worse than Watergate. I'm ready I'm ready to make the proclamation David Time for the overwork twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a guy that was so obvious all of media twitter made it at exactly the same time senior nominees to at the press box pod where they are always gratefully received from the Department of amazing timing. Right before these woodward revelations, Ross of the New York Times wrote a column about whether trump's response to the coronavirus was terrible or actually just mediocre. Doubt that. Once, you step back from death's and 'cause in case rates to other measurements of response capacity. The US looks anywhere from slightly below two slightly above average. What's you step back from death's It was an overworked twitter joke to write other than that Mrs Lincoln. How was the play? Thanks to Betsy Kelly? That is quite a step back. Yahoo NBA reporter Kris Haines has a new report out. HOUSTON. Rockets Reserved Daniel House junior is under investigation by the League for allegedly allowing a female covert nineteen testing official into his hotel room. It was an overweight twitter joke to call this a house call. Thanks. Alex. I'm not implying anything just that's it's out there. And finally David Fascinating Orbit From The New York Times Gerald Sher- The architect of the witness protection program. has died it was over twitter joke to right. Or did he? Thanks to Jack and todd. Age. If you've made me think of Goodfellas. Congrats you made the over twitter joke. Of The we dive the notebook dumping. Let's do some listener mail. We do this every Thursday at the press box pot or d. m. us. I once from Corbin, I'm waiting for the press box strain pun headlined board game. I would say the shit out of that. David you think we can get Parker brothers. If there is indeed a parker brothers still extent in this world interested in these strain pun headline board game. I. Think we can I think that there is a potential to produce board game. I. Don't know of Parker brothers is our target. Would would see as their target audience or their target demographic but we'll. We'll. We'll if we can figure this out more and more in the. Coach. What is going to be called though. I think it Kinda needs a pun right now it's gotTa have the greatest Pomo time in title alright. Hit US up at the press box pod for that from our French doors. Last week's pigment of her imagination headline was in New York Post Classic, which made me wonder what are your all time Mount Rushmore Hall of fame strained Pawn Headlines. I've got a couple David vs I'm glad that you have these. Let's go. All right. Bye Favorite to there were attached to my pieces. I granted I went wrote a story about Maury Povich. I went back backstage at his show and got to see one of his your not the Father Shows the headline suggested by my friend. Michael. Solomon was from here to paternity. which is fabulous. I don't even think I told Rafe that that Michael Solomon wrote that I think I just let him let him I wrote myself anyway. Sorry. Rafe, in advance for outside magazine I wrote a short feature on Anthony Bourdain, and this is when he was traveling the world. One of those shows eating all the crazy exotic foods The headline was written by my friend Michael. Roberts Anthony Board Dan does not taste like chicken. Anthony Borden. Does that does certain subtlety right? Pretty. Great. But my all time favorite that I can remember at this moment nothing to do with me, Newark Post Martha Stewart is convicted remember that whole Business Martha Stewart is going to prison. The New York Post headline was simply Curtains. Adam. Down to one word. Yeah and it's a little Dada you've won me over. Alzheimer for me. This is from TJ wanders. Slug is very journalistic version of the Mandela effect where we hear a new shocking trump story and swear that it's a story that was previously reported years earlier. I think the answer questions definitely. Yes. Is there a phrase for it? The does that affect exists with the quiz affect exist I think he's asking Oh? Yeah. Yeah I mean that's how that happens to me I mean, this is something that the speed of the new cycle, but there's definitely a time where you're just like. You know you turn on MSNBC I'd like you know midnight and they're doing a rerun of one of the daytime shows and you're not sure which controversy is being discussed with such you know know. You Know Depths and significance and I think we've all had the thing where you know Google news or apple news or whatever sort of like algorithm breaks down when they find when they sometimes they just decide you like a thing or don I don't even know how the Algorithm Works and they give you a story from like three weeks ago. So it does happen sometimes and yeah, there's definitely times where I've seen like trump headline rub slake Nile not again come on Apple News Get Your Shit together and then it turns out. They were right. The secret nuclear weapons program for me was was kind of one of those because I was like, didn't he tell the Russians about that when they were in the Oval Office Oh yeah. Couple years ago but that was something else is there anything like more like literally significant to our lives into the world and we're like less impactful in like headline or breaking news form than just like trump discusses secret nuclear, weapon? To many movies rendered that like fantasy. Feels like a Pierce Brosnan Era James Bond movie not even. Yeah, we know. So little presumably Russians or the Chinese or whatever. No everything was such great detail. Apparently, the foreign, the foreign governments and everything was such detail that like the the knowledge that there is a new thing mo might be more significant than than it is to us but like if somebody's gotta stockpile of nukes and they're like, oh, hey, we got a new nuke. It doesn't check the biggest deal in the world even though it is isn't it? This is from Reuben Alonzo, is there a term for an overwork twitter joke that won't die every time a different appellate court in a different state kicks. Off a ballot, we all get the same jokes from local media reporters. I think the term you're looking for is twitter. That is that is where the overwork twitter joke will never die because it's the same all the time from Zach waters for the mail bag. I was hoping you'd spend a little time on the war. No one is talking about suburban front yard political signs. I'll see your fourteen small trump signs with my one giant Biden sign is there anything more passive aggressive as happening near Corner the World David? In micro the world there's a lot more black lives, matter signs in their abiding political signs in general I know down in North Carolina there's I mean. My experiences from Charlotte. So it's a big city. I saw a bunch of handmade biden signs in one yard not very many trump signs a Pennsylvania's full of trump signs i. think that I can't speak much personal experience I. GotTa be honest with you so I but I do ascribe a certain sort of whatever. Specific decision making onto the people that are putting these in their yard and it does seem like. Everybody. Sort of people do bumper stickers observed people that want to make sure their neighbors you know. No like get sort of ask you without actually having to say anything their face. So yeah, there's nothing more passive aggressive than it. That's that's for sure. Yet another level of passive aggressive Zach is where somebody is clearly anti-trump, but they don't want to put a Biden sign up. So they put like any living human or what is it any functional? Human Twenty twenty. Which is kind of your halfway step to declaring that you're voting for Biden That's always a favorite of mine This is from Tiger I gotta know your favorite and least favorite teams in all of sports. Well WHOA. Dallas Cowboys for me how one Dallas Cowboys than that made me unique in this universe least-favoured anybody else in the NFC East I mean downs mavericks our number one for me I had to sort divorced myself so much from the cowboys at some point, but they've it'll come back someday. It's funny because I I, it is in an open sports relationship. Let's put it that way with a lot of consider myself a Carolina Panthers Fan instead of a cowboys fan however. Dancer the Second Half Day antipathy for the NFC teams has stayed. So I don't love the cowboys maybe like I used to, but I still hate the other three teams. Yeah. See I like that I can. I can totally live with that finally for Matthew Haber while creating an anniversary video for my parents I happened upon the press box theme music. which is called evening stroll. I did not know this by the way. Where would you in David go for an evening stroll together. I can't believe you are giving this away for all the people that want to do like. You know just fake episodes the press box put all over the Internet and get us into trouble. Depressed parts. With his knowledge. Man I would go into an evening stroll anywhere. Would you where do you WANNA go Brian? Well, I think we're not I think he's asking where have we gone? For An oh no, he's where would you but I think I was thinking we're had we didn't. We didn't. We do some down the bow in the bowery when we were in the lower east side. Yeah, there's a Lotta. Eastside. Dig broadly defined lower east side Manhattan strolling you. Light kind of walking through. Just saw there were there was a lot of walking all the way down from kipps Baid to the lower east side. That's right David. I would occasionally do the long walk that was David Method of exercise and there was the, but there's a billion prior to that back in the basically are functional childhoods. We did a lot of walking in DC because we couldn't afford taxis in the subways close at ten or you stopped using them at ten o'clock or whatever. So if he went to a bar, you would we would walk home like three neighborhoods. Neighborhoods to get back to you know the couch or whatever. There's a lot of strolling there. I don't know is is there anywhere else didn't strolling in Texas. Note to listeners are functional childhood. We were twenty two years old. Important to know that. David big guesses week a guy that is in the shoemaker, Pantheon and the Curtis Pantheon. Where are Pantheon Sorta come together Don winslow. Crime novelist extraordinary. And Guy. Who tweets about trump it entertaining ways extreme. Here's Don winslow. Can your favourite crime novelist also be your favorite anti-trump twitter follow will don winslow case. The answer is yes. WINSLOW's latest book is a short story collection called broken and on twitter at Don winslow he's not just lamenting the latest depravity of the trump era, but producing original videos about trump is handling of the coronavirus pandemic and Kamala. Harris Don thanks so much for being here. Thanks. So when the Bob Woodward News dropped yesterday I noticed on twitter that you had flipped over to Fox News to watch how they were handling it. was that Morbid curiosity on your partner a little sadistic Glee Alad above more and more. Than I think. But yeah, real curiosity. How do you handle something when you caught read and? Are. You a Fox News just in your spare time not Fox News Allah just enough look I. Mean I looked at them because it's always know what the opposition's doing and what they're saying, but it's not every time of the day of the week. No. So a lot of novelist or to through this campaign. I see Stephen King tweeting over there but. You have been producing twitter videos under the banner Don Winslow films. You earlier this month video called trump is not like you. There's a new one that links Comma Harris with Rosa parks, civil rights, Pioneer, and another very stark when called America's greatest mistake. How do these videos come together? You Know My Buddy Shane, Salerno my my agent, my friend co-conspirator of. A screenwriter in his own right I work on them with him. You know listen I never thought of myself as a video maker or or even a political person. For that matter until recent times. But you know these are extraordinary times and it demands it. You know for those of us who have either small voice to just say something to come out with we got a lot of videos flooding around the world right now from like the Lincoln Project Right and other people is there something you specifically want to clarify in yours about trump? Well, I wanted to truths I I want people to look at the facts in this nothing but facts. In those videos you know it's an extraordinary opportunity where you can put something together and forty eight hours somewhere between five to six million people can look at it. So hopefully, some people in looking at it and and seeing maybe for the first time, the UNALLOYED troops come and why a video instead of writing something for instance, about the election well written a lot. You know don't a lot of op-ed sight of taking out ads in the Washington Post and the New York Times in A. Written a few books that have some fairly political content to them. But let's be honest we live in a visually and particularly in Kobe Dera where people are staying home and that's what they're doing is they're looking at this frame like I'm looking at it now. It seemed to be the more powerful meeting at are these directed at people who would read your novels? Is that the audience here? I. Hope the audience is Derby but I, certainly I think the initial audience are people who read my books but I think it's reading of its reaching rather much wire audience. You know we're getting you know five, six, million US. I think something like there's been fifty million zooms or something on video, which is mind bending and did I see twitter said your initial trump is not like you video violated their standards for some reason. I'm glad you brought that up what's what's been happening on several of these videos is that these box have been getting on in their tens or hundreds of thousands and automatically complaining falsely that there's not an violence in these videos which there is not. So what happens is that twitter picks that up they freak out, they shut them down they put on this video contain sensitive material you need to change your settings then they come back and they realized there's no violence there's no nudity there's no sensitive. Here at all and then they put it back up but that's eight or nine hours later when the damage has been done I see. Yeah. The only nudity and violence would be clips from a trump press conference is switching it. It'd be offensive but not in that. Way leads sensitive than not nearly naked enough looking at your twitter feed. Yesterday you had dozens of tweets and re tweets from subjects ranging from Woodward to Kaley mcenaney to Chanel Rio the O. A. N. reporter quote unquote how'd you manage being online like that and also turning out fiction at the rate you want to? You know I finished the latest book in last Fall Zinc around this time of the year of been working on other things. But in all candor of slow them down in order to address the exactly the issue you're referring to a really. So you're not writing. Are you still writing fiction like part of the day or just doing completely? Little. Very. 'cause it's funny with some writers who aren't political reports they read all this trump news and it puts them into the state of agitation and it's very hard to switch from that to a state that's conducive to writing. Do you have that issue at all? I don't really I think maybe the first two or three days after trump was elected. I did you know I woke up thinking this is not the country that I thought it was and it took me a couple of three days to get back to work but look that that's what we do. Isn't it? That's what you do. That's what I. Do we have to show the? In the angst, the side and go back to working on whatever working on whether it be a novel or or this more political content. Few tweets of yours jumped out at me. I can't wait for Donald Trump to announce it. Mexico will be paying for the vaccine that was funny and then also twenty twenty year we get rid of the to scummy as families on the planet that trump's and the Kardashians his. It's twitter a release for you. You see it that way at all now not really there's there's no catharsis there You know listen every once in a while it's good to be funny. It's good to be sharp. Think, it does do some good i. don't see it as a release I. I, really view it as as a very straightforward efforts to communique certain realities and certain truths sometimes that comes through the form of some offended. More often it's it's more straightforward. Do. You ever hear from readers and say Don I, love the force I love the cartel but your politics are pissing me off. Sure. And what's your as a Nam I hear from people who are you know don't love my books don't let me were pretty upset listen I i. think that we are conceived Shunde Student on me Zo. A big part of what I do, and the biggest part of my life is writing these novels and writing these books and I hope be Belykh them. I think that they do. A do my absolute best in a very grateful to have that GIG. On the other hand, you can't just separate and say, well, because I'm a fiction writer, I have no political beliefs more importantly I have no ethical or moral beliefs because I think this goes beyond politics. This is not a left or right issue anymore this is a right and a wrong issue. So when when you're throwing kids into cages when you're lying about something as lethal as the nineteen when when you're calling veterans, losers and suckers including my dad who was on Guadalcanal when you say team including friends of mine whose names seen on the Vietnam Wall and Washington and calling them losers and suckers. Now into a moral S. wral even more than politico this things are just wrong. And so I don't think that we can just say at least I can't say well I'm a crime fiction writer that's what I do I'm going to sit the rest of my beliefs aside Can't do. My favorite story in the new book broken was a story called the last ride, which dives right into the crisis at the border that trump creatives story opens with the line. The first time he saw the child she was in a cage. So when you dive into something that is that fresh that visceral is at exhilarating as a fiction writer is at scary. How does that play in your mind? It was painful. And Sad to be honest with you. Look in writing that story I. Was Really Writing Neil Western. for a number of re sign at the end of the day it's about a guy on a horse, an old cowboy. What I was trying to get at was a return to some of our older values. The that might in fact e conservative values I remember when we used to rescue children. Not. Not. Locked. Up. You know and I live in a very conservative part of the world I live on an old branch and I'm surrounded by cowboys. Basically conservative in their beliefs but but if you talk to them on a moral and ethical level and on the level of that sort of older cowboy code. Of the way we used to behave then you start getting. So the cowboy here is cal, who is a border patrol agent watches Fox News buys American trucks an F one fifty to be exact and the idea. The idea of the NEO Western is there's a corrupts law out there. There's a corrupt force, but there is a moral code that he is trying to pursue outside of that law. I getting that right I. Think you've got it exactly right look you know Raymond Chandler Great. Raymond Chandler the grandfather of all of us to this Gig once wrote famously above the detective hero down these mean streets must walk a man who is not himself, knee? Had he been writing thirty years earlier he might have written down these mean canyons rides a man who is not himself knee? It's instant. It's the same code. And I think you know don't get me started I. could do a whole lecture. I won't don't worry about how the American crime album comes out of the American Western novel. But yeah, you know I it would have been easier to approach that story from the point of view of child or the mother or let's say a social worker or defense attorney for that kid would been the easier choice the easier way to go but I thought it was more interesting to start with a character who believes the trump lies about the border. And in fact, it's his job to stop these immigrants come through. And and then. More interesting to talk about a guide changes his mind. You. Know and and I think in terms of fiction conflict dissolves more interesting. You know and when you can look at a character and there's a conflict tree God, what did I believe in what do? You know what's the easy thing to do? What's the hard sync to to the those are interesting to fiction run Did, you talk to border patrol agents when you're creating that Carter? I talked to them long before that I've I've known him for a long time I live along the border. A realize how melodramatic that sounded when it came out of my mouth, but but do. You know reporter area. So I know border patrol agents, but professionally in socially. you know I think driven ridden or walked every mile that four. So yeah. I. Was pretty familiar with with what thinking how they sank can what goes on what is what is surprising about them because they are figures in this trump created drama, right in some cases that similar to the police characters you've written about. But what do you what is surprising about them to those of us who who don't know people in the Border Patrol? Do you think you know it's it's always dangerous to generalize talking about thousands of people and so on the one end, you might have those just absolute believers on the other hand you have people for this is just the job What struck me when I was out with them years ago was how depressed? how sad. But in those days they view their crime commission as a rescue mission, they used to put up tall not hours. But when I say Kohl's with red flags on the top to mark where they stored water cashed water for immigrants who were lost out there in the desert. now that mission has profoundly changed and I think that the border patrol has changed with it but you know the surprising thing I think as with cops, you know again, you're talking about a very varied group of people This job has its effect on. Your writing schedule begins at five or five thirty in the morning most days yet, what is it about those morning hours that's conducive to riding. The numbers, I just need a lot of hours i. Wish it were otherwise you know. I wish I could go to a coffee shop and you know the Muse lands on my shoulder and whispers sweet nothings into my ear that I time. And get another coffee but that's not the way. My work in life happens you know I just need that number of hours per day, and so I need to start early I. Wish you were otherwise to tell you the truth it's good. It's now So rather too often working on two things at the same time or you have to two things you could be working what is the what is the value for you of doing it that way? is to have a fresh pony in the chorale. Evil which turns you know. Look at I. DO I start at five thirty? I know to be if I'm being honest with myself the by route two in the afternoon anything I write on that book is likely to be garbage. It's it's headed for the delete key you know, and so I've sort of learned why bother you know and so what I tend to do is then switched over to another project and that feels Fresh and I could bring a different perspective to it and it to me, and so that's pretty much the way I worked way the amount the fresh pony at like two in the afternoon, and then that could be a or B material as opposed to unusable material on that project I think. So usually it is it's you know the I write that one around torture the metaphor until five or five. and. quit. No. All the horses are in the barn. Yeah. No it's really it's really quite useful. Just GonNa say I've tried it I think with articles once or twice, but it always happens it. It just becomes an excuse for me not to finish article number one which I should have been working on. Oh look at number two over here. Wouldn't that be nice to work on your? Jackley. Maybe have a bit more leisure. You know because the deadlines tend to be farther away. They don't think about anyway. So it's easy to stop in at one thirty, two o'clock and say. Okay I'm going to pick up project be your project see in play with it. Other Times though I might just choose to go back to earlier chapters in the main book. And do weird stuff. You know like sometimes I'll just take ten pages and I'll only look at the verbs. And what is that? What does that exercise do again better verse You can juice them up twenty five percent I look at that I think is that accurate is that really what's happening is that guy doing that is that women really doing that cannot be more specific cannot be more visited, and then all those requirements are met. Kennedy more. Poetic. Ended the consonants have the sounds that they should or is there a different verb that that works that would have the better consonants or vowel sounds of whatever for you know whatever the pieces? I live in Huntington Beach California not too far from the pier where you set a scene in broken and Raymond Chandler. As you mentioned, showed US why L. A. is a good setting for crime fiction. So why is the Pacific Coast highway and the beach cities between here and say the egg that a good setting for crime? May I add because it annoys my La France Raymond Chandler ROACHES CRATE LA novels while living in San Diego. That's right. Hoya right. Yeah. Just just off highway one. Oh One. I in love with Highway WanNa. Watch it thirty years from the moment I I drove that sucker I came out to the west coast still, Pi. At I was on a case and I had an unexpected day off and I saw a long drive, this Pacific Coast highway. I've heard so much out and that was just north Beach California I drove it south two today San Diego and I fell in love and I have to tell you I never get tired of driving that road It's always exciting to me. It's always blockages to me. It has what is called the small God's place. You know the talk shops, the surf shops that you can skim used to driving by stopping in. Certain. Beaches certain breaks I never tire. Yeah on your? European. Yoga studios it's breakfast. burrito dives her head it's oceanside apartments. And I was never convinced that criminality could lurk in such a place until the corona virus when I walk out on the PCH now in its the anti-massacre capital of the world and. Now I understand the evil heart of the P., C. H. A. Huntington Beach. One thing I love about writing crime fiction and also in that setting is is it's like surges in it. If you if you stand on the beach or on one of those bluffs above the beach and you look at the ocean, you see the pretty way and they are, they're absolutely gorgeous and they're real. The beauty is real. Is. Good to know though, and what's fun to explore the crime writer is what's beneath the surface That what's causing that ways is always something deep and dark and something that might have happened days ago weeks ago. and it can be affected by a lot of things that we don't see, and that's where the danger lurks and that's where the intrigue lurks and that's why I like working in that setting. Last thing I want to ask you about Donna's your use of the one sentence paragraph you write the most exquisite one sentence paragraphs anywhere. I'm going to read a short passage from broken here. This is from the point of view of the character. Oh, not everyone is going to like it. She thinks new paragraph they don't have to. She thinks new paragraph only I. Do Paragraph faulk everyone end of section. How how did that particular bit of style evolve in your writing? It started when I when I wrote a book called Savages I think back in twenty ten which is where that character oh originated I wrote a rather famous opening chapter two words the the second of which is you and the first thing which is not What I realized was that that reading and we sometimes forget it is not only of mental intellectual bench also visual activity. And so There are times when I want thoughts to run on like an action sequence I. WanNa grab you by the shirt not let you go until I'm done with you and so just keep that at at at at were we're other touch though I really wanted to focus the reader on a thought or a indigene realize it just like in a painting of photographs. Then image needs negative space. It needs a lot of emptiness around it so that it it forces the reader to take a break both before and after. If only slight and in that brings that word or two that sentence out. Don winslow's latest book is broken. He is at Don winslow on twitter wear a new video from Don winslow films I. Understand many new videos are in the offing. We are going to be doing videos Sir until the election and maybe after, and we got one coming up watch for. Some very excited. Look at Lincoln Project. You've you've got some competition. Thank you so much for being here. Don thanks so much for having. Our at Stanford David Shoemaker guesses the strained pun headline. All right. Monday's pond headline about a college professor who lied about her race was pigment of her imagination. Today's punt headline comes for will. Holland. It's also from the New York Post but from the sports page. David, are you aware that the Toronto Blue Jays are playing this year in Buffalo? Yes, I am dimly aware we're. Always have to check. The. Nice still, I still have to pay attention to work slack and stuff. It's it's you know I i. i. gotTa Keep Vague Sort of opened my mind anything. So the. Yankees. Go there and lose in embarrassing fashion giving up ten runs in one inning. Your word is Buffalo. Buffalo. What was the New York Post's strained pun headline. Buffalo Wings Buffalo Sauce Buffalo Different Dir Buffalo Chicken. Not. maybe another team that plays in Buffalo Bills Buffalo. Go Buffalo. Nils. CLO- that'd be good if they scored zero runs, what was the score ten dinner on? Well, they gotTA give it ten and run in one inning. That's not. Blast the Buffalo Buffalo. Low Nils but Buffalo. Kills. Zilch. Bill. Phil why don't like anything of this? Tommy Buffalo Ills God. All right. I try every other content, the beginning of ill and didn't think that was great. Sometimes, the New York Post gets pigment of her nation. Sometimes you settle for buffalo will. Happens to everyone he is David Shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis researched by Chris L Mehta production magic by Lonnie Rinaldo. Thank you, Auni. We're back Monday with cool guest lukewarm takes about the media and podcast that will be wait for it. Worse, than Watergate see then David. Bryant.

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#EERS S9 Ep158: Rage Against

The Erick Erickson Show

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#EERS S9 Ep158: Rage Against

"Hello and welcome. It is direction here the Eric Erickson show the full number. If you would like to be a part of the program eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five, I I almost don't even know where to begin today there. There's so much. With the Woodward Story and everything else but and we've got to start there. But how do you navigate your way through? It I want begin. Well, let me begin with the question of what could the president of done differently and please bear with me here. As. I get through this because because I do think it is relevant. And I do think in fact that we should acknowledge there are things the president has done differently a lot of the president's supporters say, well, no one could have done or would have done anything differently than the president. So it doesn't really matter I think based on the audio from the Woodward tapes. It's worth acknowledging that the president actually did no way sooner than most people that the virus actually was going to be a bigger problem than what some people thought. It is worth noting however that so much of the media and and the left didn't believe the president that should the president. have done the things they wanted him to do that really they they probably would not have have acknowledged it in in any any respect. My tongue in my brainer are lagging today. Let let me read you some headlines. These, these are media headlines these media headlines Run from January, Indian the middle of February. Who who's a fan of comfortably smug put them together. We should deescalate the war on the coronavirus fear finger-pointing and militaristic action against the virus or. Better off adjusting to a new normal a periodic outbreaks as the virus spreads fear is fueling racism and xenophobia that's from CNN from the Observer Corona virus fears fuel fears, fuel racism and hostility say British Chinese from the Washington. Post get a grip America. The flu is a much bigger threat than corona virus for now from the Atlantic, you're likely to get the virus from K. V. A. LTV. Health official, you're more likely to catch flew in Oregon than deadly Wuhan Girl of virus racist they called it grow Lavar remember that once the president travel from China suddenly became racist to call it the Wuhan girl the virus from USA Today Corona viruses scary. But the flu is deadlier more widespread from news channel twenty experts warn flu is greater risk than Curl virus from K. Q. E. D. The fluids still a bigger health read in the US the novel coronavirus from the hill. Why are we panicked about the coronavirus in calm about the flu? From. Slopes Corona virus has spread quickly but it's nowhere near as widespread as previous epidemics like swine flu or the Spanish flu. From Time magazine way want to protect yourself from corona virus do the same things you do every winter. From ABC fifteen of flu hitting on more than usual this season despite attention on corona virus from the Associated Press is the new virus more deadly than the flu not exactly. From Health magazine is the coronavirus worse than the flu. Here's how the two diseases compare. It depends on what you mean by worse from something called HCP, live the the fear of the coronavirus and the reality of the flu from ABC seven in New York. Mid Coronavirus outbreak doctors remind public fluids deadlier from Fox seventeen in West Michigan doctor suggests worrying about the common flu not the. Coronavirus from Reuters, NEW CORONA VIRUS SPREADS mortal more like flu than SARS, according to the Chinese for axios why we panic about coronavirus, but not the flu from the York daily record grow virus's deadly but the flus claimed over eight thousand lives. This season from the national interest forget about the coronavirus, the flu pandemic of nineteen eighteen killed more people in one year that all world. War One. From ABC Central New, Corolla viruses likely to go pandemic but that's not a reason to panic or of react. FROM PATCH DOT COM, Maryland flu deaths climb flew more worrisome than curl virus from Kale Aa News five southern Colorado panic over coronavirus could be caused by flu numbers from science alert. The flu is way bigger threat to most people in the. US from the National Post New Corona virus may be more no more dangerous than the flu despite worldwide alarm. Colin experts. From CCN relaxed Corona viruses less dangerous than the flu epidemic experts from the daily beast the virus killing US kids isn't the one dominating the headlines. All of these were. Written. At the end of January or the beginning of. February. That is what the American media was saying. The president of the United States is often attacked from getting his information from the American media. The American media was telling him those things. We need to give proper context to this. In the in the hate on trump stuff. But this is also a fact the president spoke to Bob. Woodward on February seventh. Two Thousand Twenty Two. Days after the impeachment trial ended. And at that time the president knew that this was actually worse than the flu. Five Times more deadly than the flu. The President had spoken to the Chinese premier. The president's national security team had told him. In the middle of January based on their intelligence, this would be the biggest national security threat of his administration. The president told Bob Woodward in his own words that he knew that the disease was transmitted through the air. There are things the president could have done differently and I think we need to be honest about that that there are things the president could have done differently in hindsight does matter here to a degree we can look back in hindsight and say, yes, the president should have done things differently. But. What we also have our the president's words at that time recorded by Bob Woodward. The president could have privately brief governors with the information about the virus being airborne being actually way more contagious than the flu contrary to the press reports because by February seventh while all those headlines were the newspapers that the flu was actually worse and more contagious, the president knew differently. The president have been more assertive against his own side saying that the flu is worse or this was no worse than the flu. The. President could have avoided sending mixed messages about masks. Once he knew it was airborne. The president could have stopped being so dismissive of the virus and claiming, it would just go away a claim he still makes today. Doing that gave people a lot of false. Hope win the president in his own words recorded by Bob Woodward knew it wouldn't go away. He could have asserted himself as a leader with better guidelines and guidance for states to control the shutdowns and the reopenings he could have provided information to the states. You know in early February Sanjay Gupta unseen in who had been critical of for some of his statements made in his his unwillingness to recognize the president has to balance the economy. In Public Health Sanjay Gupta was on CNN in early in early February, raising all sorts of red flags about the coronavirus. In saying the president and his team needed to be more engaged, get more information to the public It'd be more honest more forthright about how contagious it actually was Scott gottlieb formerly of the FDA was also out there and by the individual who was saying that there was a troubling trend of the president's supporters denying there was a problem with the virus denying some of the scenarios that were out there denying the virus was worse than the flu. But you know New York public health officials were doing the same thing. Wasn't just the president's team out there. It was New York public health officials and Nancy Pelosi as well. And I don't think we should be dismissive of that fact either that it wasn't just the president and his team, it was also host of Democrats who work getting their information from Donald Trump. In fact, they were getting their information from other organizations. Why? Because they didn't believe the president of the United States The risk to New Yorkers for corona virus is low in our city preparedness is high to should not stop you from going about your life should not stop you going to Chinatown and going out to eat I'm going to do that today myself come to Chinatown here we are. Again careful safe and. Come join us there is no concern at this time for Corona virus in our. City communist sanitation is ready for Mati Cross twenty twenty. The facts are reassuring we want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives. There's really no need to panic and to avoid activities that we always do as New Yorkers. We are hardy people Americans do not need to panic. What I would suggest however is that Americans take this as a wakeup call for seasonal flu. There's very little threat here. This disease even if it were to get basically acts like a common cold or Flu. So we're telling New Yorkers go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life and certainly not to miss the parade next. Sunday on. If you had to close down the borders. We need to be honest about the American people with the American people about the fact that we can't keep people coming here from China and transmission is not that easy. I think there's been a misperception that corona virus hangs the air waiting to catch. You know it takes direct person to person contact. We also know that if it were likely to be transmitted casually we would be seeing a lot. Right. Because this is New York and you're in elevators. With everybody all the time. This public health officials it. They weren't getting their information just from the president and his team. and. If you think that you're delusional and yeah that was them at the same time the president was telling people no big deal. Remember to plaza was still debating whether or not shutdown New York. In anticipation of. Saint Patrick's Day in Louisiana. The Democratic officials decided they were going to have Mardi Gras. None of that is the president's fault. You'll the the real bottom line here is that we were dealing with a a global pandemic. Where the Chinese in the world, Health Organization were lying. Global pandemic. The Chinese are lying the World Health Organization is lying. The president is in the middle of an impeachment trial. The president does take action to shut down travel with China. The Democrats accused him of racism and claiming he's trying to distract from impeachment I generally don't think the president could have made an impact with Democrats at the time if he had come out and raised the alarm on the virus being bad I, I I actually do believe that Democrats would have said that this was all a distraction for impeachment. But. The president still should have led. We know that by February seventh, he actually knew that it was more contagious than the flu more deadly and travelled through the air the that's his words Bob Woodward. That's February seventh. The president absolutely could have done things differently would it have mattered? I don't know that it would've. But he certainly could have done things differently. But I also think that. The situation is way more complicated than people want to believe because we're in tribal politics. The situation was complicated by lack of information and false information from China. The World Health Organization you had America's own experts arguing with each other I mean even at the into February had Dr Fauci on TV say you don't need to wear masks the surgeon general's saying the same thing and by the way I think it's worth pointing out that the president said to Woodward the reason he was downplaying it as he didn't want to spark panic. The president did not spark a panic because he downplayed it but we were still out of bread we were still out of meat we were still on a toilet paper we were still out of paper products. We were taught a milk we were still have eggs we were still have all sorts of stuff at grocery stores without the panic the president did want to provoke. Could have done stuff differently. Absolutely. Did he know more than he let on? Absolutely. Every president news more than they let on is actually I think a little bit mendacious to say that the president knew all the stuff you should have told us everything you don't want the present Tony Everything Barack Obama kept secret from the public to and and no one was upset about him doing that remember Barack Obama's the one who said we could absorb a second nine eleven. Told bubbled were then. Here's ears my point and I want to spend some time with this and I'm happy to take your phone calls on this as well. But here's my bottom line point here is. If you hate the president you insist he screwed up completely, and if you love the president, there's no room for recognizing. He could have done things differently, and in fact, did we now know have the information where he could have done something differently But a whole lot of political officials. Are In the same category including Andrew Cuomo. And all the people who want to blame the president for everything they don't WanNa blame Andrew, Cuomo. All, the people who think the president should have done differently some of the things they wanna do or masks and shutdowns, and even Joe Biden says that's unconstitutional. President can't do it. There are absolutely things he could have done differently. He could have been more forthright. But we're also dealing with a global pandemic. We're nine months into it right now we only have eight months worth of American knowledge about the virus. We know the initial knowledge and information from China was tainted if not outright lies the World Health Organization collaborated with China to help cover it up. I'm just not willing to crucify any politician. Forgetting stuff wrong. In the first few months of this pandemic absolutely. You can always have done more in hindsight. But we're also dealing with the virus. The president is not responsible wrecking the economy, the viruses. and. To the extent, people don't want to acknowledge that it's the level of broken and tribalism. We have right now in the public the the perceptions of the President we know he knew more. In based on that in his own words, there are things he could have and should have done differently. But a whole lot of people in the campus. Well. And I'm just I'm not willing to throw the president under the bus or any other politician under the bus. For what they did in February. When so much of what we know now is actually contrary to the medical advice we were being given by the experts in February. And I think that matters in context as well as everything else. But context nuance or something you're not supposed to do anymore. I I think it's really important to note here that the the two biggest claims by Democrats of what the president should have done in. February are he should have shut the nation down. And he should have imposed national masks mandate. Generally when people are asked, what should the president of done differently I in February than what he did and by the way I'm I am on record saying there are things he could have done. What the president is said to have should have done. Is Shut down everything. And, impose a mask mandate nationwide. Those are the two big things he should shut down the nation earlier in, he should have imposed a mass mandate. Even, Joe Biden. Says publicly. Those are unconstitutional. The president yet shutdown commerce in the states, he doesn't have that. Constitutional Authority. You don't have to believe me believe Joe Biden the president doesn't have the power to impose a masks mandate nationwide. Don't believe me believe Joe Biden in. Those are constantly the to refrains of what the president should have done differently. There are things you should have done differently behind the scenes I. Think in terms of his messaging in standing on stage and giving some clear concise instruction and indirection is to the extent of the virus, what they were privately expecting the like and I think he could have done it without insulting panic but this is something I also think that a lot of people who criticize the President missed the president did not want sparked panic and the president himself knows that he's very good at painting and bold colors not very good at shading in and it would have been very hard for the president to nuance. I mean with the president things are either really really good or really really awful. They're there isn't a lot of between and it's to his credit. He self aware enough to realize that and and so he didn't WanNa go out there. And try to make the case not to panic The word choices he just can't help himself and he knows it. And by the way, this isn't to excuse the President I know if you hate the president, that's what you're hearing. Just a reality. And so many people don't want to acknowledge the reality. The reality is that there's so much about the virus we didn't know at the time. We now know from the president's own words he did no more than was publicly being stated we also know that the president's entire intent was to not spark panic and we also know that without that panic. There were still food shortages and paper shortages and all sorts of other problems a devastated economy would have been more devastated, but the bottom line is that so many of the demands that the president should have done other things those demands are things the president couldn't have done. We are fifty semi sovereign nations. That seated limited power to Washington DC. To do things in the national interest for the common good typically in dealing with other countries and dealings between the states to keep a fair and level playing field. But the states themselves have copious amounts of power that the president doesn't have the police power resides with the governors of the several states. The healthcare power is part of the police power that resides with the governors of the several states it was on the governor's to act in. It's worth pointing out that well, Rhonda Santa's was protecting nursing homes in. Florida. Andrew. Coma, was sending senior citizens back to nursing homes to infect other people in die. Now I realize everybody wants to blame the president. But if there's blame to go around, you cannot exclude some of these democratic governors. You know the states or hit by the coronavirus per capita New Jersey New York Massachusetts Connecticut Louisiana Rhode Island, and the District of Columbia all of which the exception of this Columbia are governors hello there it is. Eric. Erikson. The full number here is eight seven, seven of Eric Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five I basically spinning the whole hour on this Woodward stuff. So nobody can say I didn't talk about it I if you were here in the first half hour. Yes I did say in the first half hour there are things the president could have done differently and better and I out lying them. So. Now, I want to talk about the other stuff that I actually think is more important. The president purportedly withheld bad used by the virus and and by the way. Presidents get bad news of things all the time and you are under no privilege or right to know that information. That information's there to help the president of the United States decisions it's not for you. And the president wanted to avoid sparking a panic and so he withheld the information from you and that is his right and if Barack Obama did it all you people who are upset with president would have been perfectly fine with it. But. The president did withhold. That information? Purportedly according to the Democrats and the media by withholding the information, the president cost American lives. But an American reporter had that information. Not only did Bob Woodward, have the information he got it on tape. He got it in the president's. In the president's own voice. recorded. And what did Bob Woodward do with that information. Absolutely nothing. Bob Woodward. Held onto the information as the body count rose the. Associated. Press asked Bob Woodward y and he said, well, he needed to really confirm the stuff and safe. It was really that bad. Coincidentally Bob, Woodward wasn't able to confirm at all until the week his book launched in September. We're almost at two hundred, thousand deaths in the United States of America in Bob Woodward withheld all of that knowledge and information as the conspiracy theories built as the data was challenged as everyone questioned everything as the trump supporters made all sorts of wild claims and the president in his own voice talking to Bob Woodward knew how bad the situation was and Bob Woodward did nothing Oh Mr Eriksson. It was for a book delivery promise to wizard. Forego so he released it for book he didn't have to wait until the week the book came out. He could have released a months ago. He had eighteen conversations with the president then wrapped up those conversations he could have released it after that. By then he knew it he's got it all recorded by then but no body Wilbert held onto it and you know what we're seeing today we're seeing members of the media defending Bob Woodward. Ladies and gentlemen. The American press corps actually pulls as less light and less trustworthy than the president of the United States. There is bipartisan contempt for the American. Press Corps. Democrats hate them, Progressives, eight THEM MODERATES EIGHT THEM CONSERVATIVES EIGHT THEM REPUBLICANS HATE THE PRESS The press is less popular than a attorney floating in a swimming pool. And this is exactly why. One, of their own. The Patron Saint of Investigative Journalism Bob Woodward. Held onto audio recordings of the president of the United States. Saying, he knew how bad the virus was and was willfully downplayed it to avoid sparking a panic. and Bob Woodward held onto that information. To make. Money. To cash in. To Sell Books. and the majority of the mainstream media from the Washington Post. To the Associated Press. They're giving Bob Woodward a pass on this. I saw the pictures of the bodies. Piled into refrigerator trucks in New York City. Because there wasn't enough space in the morgues. I. Saw the pictures. Bob Woodward. Could have released the tapes. You know you bring this up the partisan rashes well, this is just distracting from the president. No No. No. No I intentionally willfully started my program saying that the president could have done things differently should have done things differently could have been more forthright without sparking panic. There were ways he could've done it. I said all of that. But no there there's there are multiple angles to the story and everyone on the left all the Democrats and the media just one point their finger at Donald trump and say orange bad. Because they're completely broken on that point. But the bodies piled up. Am Bob Woodward. Kept quiet. Bob Woodward told the associated. Press. Let me read you this from the associated. Press. Bob Woodward facing widespread criticism for only now revealing President Donald Trump's early concerned about the severity of the virus told the associated. Press on Wednesday that he needed time. To be sure that trump's private comments from February were accurate. He tells me this that I'm thinking. Wow, that's interesting. But as a true trump says, things that don't check out right Woodward told the AP during a phone interview. Using famous phrase from the Watergate era when Woodward's reporting for the Post, help lead to Richard Nixon's resignation Woodward said, his mission was to determine what did he know and when did he know it? Coincidentally he found out the answer the weakest book came out. This is a uniquely Washington phenomenon. John Bolton Kept quiet. Until he left the president largely pushed him out and then wrote a tell all book. In the tell all book acknowledges or at least claims that the president turned a blind eye to concentration camps in China where the Chinese were engaged in genocide because the president wanted to trade deal did John Bolton decide to resign at the time and expose what was going on? Oh, hell. No, he stayed on. He wanted access to power until he couldn't get his way and then he left and wrote his tell all book and said, Hey, the president's covering genocide in China. We'll thanks John They I'm I'm sure the families of the dead people in China appreciate you not saying anything until you could cash on their deaths. Nearly. Two hundred, thousand Americans die. In Bob Woodward says nothing. So I had to verify whether win. Did you know it was true Bob? When did you know it was true in in in March. When there were tens of thousands of deaths in April when there were thirty thousand deaths in March, where there were fifty thousand and in May, when there were seventy thousand deaths in June when there were one hundred thousand destined July when there one hundred, fifty, thousand deaths in August with one, hundred, seventy, thousand. At what body did you realize? It was true Bob. You can cashed all the invective you want on Donald trump if you're a partisan and orange man bad in your mind. But. If you're choosing Bob Woodward, you really are just a partisan hack. Because, I'm willing to acknowledge the president. Could have done things differently. Can. You acknowledge that Bob Woodward held onto the information held onto the tapes and held onto the audio just to make money off the dead people. because. That's what this amounts to. Is he selling salacious allegations about the president some of it in the president's own voice. And he says, well, it was just he had to hang onto it. If you're not willing to hold Bob Woodward accountable. You're not really being honest. There's more here too. We do as I said earlier have fifty semi sovereign nations. Within these United States you know the the phrase, the United States of America only became common after the civil war prior to that it was referred to as these United States internally externally abroad nations would refer to us as the United States, but internally the United States. Typically, if you read a lot of the books prior to this war was these United States and it was states simmie sovereign nations who see limited power to Washington DC. The police power is a power of the states of the governor's. And you can't really blame Donald Trump for Andrew Cuomo's and competent and that honestly that's one of the most frustrating things here I am willing to acknowledge. There are things that could have been done differently in Washington. But a whole lot of the media. And the Democrats but I want to focus on the media from it the same media that is covering for Bob Woodward that same media also covers for Andrew Cuomo. And don't tell me. He was misled by the president of the United States because in March I believe it was march fifteenth. Rhonda Santa's the Governor Florida was issuing an order. Barring people from going into elder care facilities long term care facilities nursing homes. And Barring Cova positive patients from returning to nursing homes they had to go to separate segregated isolated facilities until they were fully recovered, and then they could go back once they had tested negative. On the exact same day that Ron to Santa's was doing that in Florida Andrew Cuomo was ordering Covert, positive elderly patients back into nursing homes where they spread the virus and got a bunch of people killed. Yet, the media of the United States has never wanted hold Andrew Cuomo responsible for that they've completely given him a pass. nightly. On CNN can see. Chris Cuomo verbally commit incest with Andrew Cuomo and everyone's perfectly fine with it and hardly anyone questions. Why is an anchor on CNN giving his brother favorable Hagi graphic interviews and not asking him the tough questions about why it was. He was sending senior citizens in the nursing homes to die at the same time. The governor of Florida was protecting those senior citizens and yet the majority of the American Media Paints Rhonda. Santa's a failure as governor who mishandled the coronavirus meanwhile Florida with more people than New York? Has Far fewer. Deaths. Per Capita. Florida's not even the top ten for deaths. You're the top ten states. Per capita for grow of our STEFFES. New Jersey at one hundred, eighty deaths. Per hundred thousand people. New York at one seventy, Massachusetts at one thirty, two Connecticut at one twenty, five Louisiana at one Tin Rhode Island at one hundred, the District of Columbia Eighty seven Mississippi at eighty seven Arizona seventy, two in Michigan at sixty. Eight. Gretchen Whitmer, of Whitmer of Michigan has been lionized by the press. And yet at number ten. Andrew Cuomo lionized by the press he's at number two. And if you really want to put a partisan spin on this, let's go through. The partisan. Spin. New Jersey Democrat new. York. Democrat message. Uses Democrat Connecticut Democrat Louisiana Democrat Rhode Island Democrat District of Columbia. Democrat Mississippi Republican. Arizona Republican Michigan Democrat why is it Doug Ducey is treated as a bad guy in Arizona with seventy two deaths per hundred thousand people. But the governor of Louisiana John Bel Edwards who said, let's go ahead and have Mardi gras with under ten deaths per one hundred thousand people is given a pass by the media because it's partisanship. It's the same reason that Bob Woodward has given a pass. Because it's partisanship. I wrote a piece this morning as I tend to do in the mornings about all of this. And I want to read you my bottom line from the space. We're eight months into dealing with a global pandemic caused by virus from China about which the Chinese and the World Health Organization sent mixed and misleading messages, and for which there is no cure. The president had limited capacity demanded the virus of the state level and had a responsibility to manage the economy is well, the bottom line is that the virus pandemic are way more complex than our partisan tribal tendencies want to allow and we should be buried in heaping blame anywhere given how the situation unfolded. Yes. The president could have done things better or differently but yes, we know a lot of that now in hindsight. The same goes for Andrew. CUOMO. The same goes for other nations. The same goes for the media. The same goes for Bob Woodward, who kept so much quiet. So he could cash in on the mountain of American corpses that piled up around him while he wrote his book. The only reason. The media's fixated on the president is because they hate him. Because he's Republican. You can see the double standards and how the media treated Brian Kemp. And Rhonda Santa's and Doug Ducey. Versus John Edwards. Democrat Louisiana Andrew Cuomo Democrat New York. The Democratic Governor of New Jersey's Massachusetts Connecticut. I don't think we can distract from that folks and yet. So many people want to I just accidentally hung up on a really important person. They called. And, I said Hello. And I needed to put my so i. I. Just I just hung up on A. On a real. Oh Gosh. No I know That just happened. Okay never mind. Maybe. He'll call back. Gosh. I I I'm I'm. I'm I I'm. We need to move on. Precaution. Okay you know is the the Woodward Book. Be Carl Bernstein worked with Bob Woodward of the Washington Post. In during the during the during the Watergate stuff. And, Bernstein is now famous every time a Republican becomes President Bernstein is is trotted out from his grave and a claims that whatever that Republican did worse than Watergate. It really actually is somewhat amusing nine eleven worse Watergate Y- going into Iraq the weapons of mass destruction or the Watergate George. W. Bush failing to flush the. Watergate A. Trump becomes president like every time. The Russia's get worse than Watergate this now. This is like the only thing it's like they've got a speech box in the corpse's mouth that is programmed to say, west the Watergate. that my friends that's while. Woodward Bernstein is you know it's kind of sad? You bring down the president of the United States wants. And your quest in life for the rest of your life is to keep trying to bring down president of the United States. And everything must then be worse than Watergate. What is really funny But Woodward book though. Now folders closure I've only read the Washington Post Coverage. I have not actually read the book. They didn't send me. I'm not going to give Bob Woodward money to reward him for covering up the deaths of two hundred thousand Americans so that he can make money The Washington Post is running experts. One of the most interesting things that is is totally being overshadowed. Totally overshadowed. Is All of the people who work for the president who hate his guts? The, let's see Let's see. You've got mattis going after him. You got various. Generals. Going after in. A on and on and on it goes. The number of people who go on record with Bob Woodward. WHO WORKED FOR THE PRESIDENT? WHO SAVAGE THE PRESIDENT? You've got James Mattis in there. and this this is let me just let let me. Let me put this on This is from the Houston Chronicle. Trump says he knew corona virus was deadly and worse than the flu while intentionally misleading Americans new book reports. Buried all the way in there is that James Mattis believes that he was completely. UNFIT. For. Office. Buried in there is that all these other people who worked for the president believe he was unfit for office buried in there was the revelation that the intelligence director at the time Dan Coats believed that vitamin Putin really had something on the president of the United States. It's so the the media so worked up, and by the way, this is this is the most the most innocuous part of it frankly is that the president in February had information about the virus he didn't mislead the public he chose to downplay the virus to avoid sparking a panic. Meanwhile you've got off and on and on it goes all of these people coming out. Who worked for the president in national security and intelligence badmouthing the president and all of that is buried you. You would think that you could lead with that stuff. What Madison, what the intelligence directors at all of those things but no, they choose to actually lead with with the virus. And the reality is that the president says over and over I listened to the the audio, you can go listen to the audio yourself. He just wanted to avoid sparking a panic. That's why he did what he did. You can disagree with it. You can just ruined the way did it but understand the motive for why he did it. He didn't WanNA freak people out. If Obama had done that you've given him a pass. Welcome Erick Erickson here the Eric Erickson show the phone number. Would it be part of the Program Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. So, how's your day going I? Just hung up on on super important. Okay. Before I move on I'm going to tell you a story and y'all can all have a laugh at my expense Weeks ago I was sitting at my kitchen table. And have my bottle of Heinz Ketchup the only decent catch up in America. and. Tilted over you know you get those bottles sometimes of Heinz and air pressure builds up. Its lashes out catch up when you open it well. I tilted the bottle over realized I hadn't taken the lid off and I took the lid off it. Goes. Premature emission of catch up all over the place. Including on my phone where it got into the air piece. And I really did the thing of it. I wiped it out well, clearly catch has dried in your piece of my phone. And I got to use my ear buds. Now I've got Apple Airport Pros. The greatest device apple has ever invented. And so if someone calls typically I'll grab the phone and I'll say hello and let them start talking and then I'll grab my your air pods. I. Keep Right next to him and input the earpiece in so I can actually Hear the conversation. We'll. Somebody called during the last commercial break who I probably should have talked to and I was putting the airport in I, accidentally hung up on him. And it was famous person. So Anyway I. Hope Your Day's going better than mine has started. Let's move on I I. If you're just tuning in I have spent a whole lot of time in the first hour. Talking about the Woodward Book. I'm not inclined to revisit the Woodward except to make a couple of very brief points that I think need to be made. And they're worth repeating and for those of you who are here, the first hour just bear with me this won't take long. We're in the middle of global pandemic. We are eight months into knowledge nine months into June with the virus eight months into American knowledge of the virus. A lot of the public health advice we got from people early on in February is different from the advice we now have. It was February twenty fourth Dr Anthony Fauci and the surgeon general of the United States were on television telling people don't worry about wearing masks. There's no point. They have now revised that position and believe that you should wear masks. We originally believed in the models an estimates that there could be millions of people killed. And that the virus was ten times worse than the flu. It is it's worse than the flu. Very much worse than the flu. But it's not as deadly as contagious as we I thought. We originally thought. That the virus could be spread on surfaces we now know that there's not a single known case of transmission of the virus from a surface to a person. All of the cases of the virus that we are aware of have come through airborne transmission in inhaling of particular, which is why they want you to where you would wear a mask. We. We know now that way more people are asymptomatic than we first thought. We now know as of yesterday, the president knew this fact in January that there's a high rate of asymmetric spread. But there's a lot of stuff the president didn't know as well. There's a lot of stuff that has changed. And if you hate the president, you read the Bob Woodward Book and it affirms. Everything that you already thought about the president. If you like the President, the book affirms everything that you thought about an hated about the Washington elite. I. Don't know that this book is going to make anyone's mind. The media is already overplayed its hand on the book. For example, Bob Woodward asked the president. If if he was in some sort of a privilege cave, completely unaware of the experience black Americans in the president denied he was in a cave and said, he didn't need to be black to understand the black experience and the media's out savaging the president today for his tone deafness on race issues mischaracterizing his statements to Bob Woodward. It is very hard. To get an accurate and fair reading of anything about this administration from the American. Press. It is very hard. Win Stories are I run to get accurate coverage meaningful coverage or a fair depiction of events. The book. by Bob Woodward and the Media Coverage A sales the president of the United. States for misleading. Americans. The American media. Misled Americans. The media referred to the viruses the Wuhan virus. Until the president ban travel with China and Joe Biden declared that it was racist and xenophobic to do so and then the media declared use of the phrase Wuhan virus to be racist and xenophobic. The media said not the president. The media said, the flu was worse. Now, they're blasting the president for telling Bob Woodward. He knew the coronavirus was worse than the flu. Well the media's telling. It wasn't as bad as the flu. I also think you have to acknowledge in Democrats don't want to my you know I'm friends with Joe Scarborough. He's very mad at me for making this point. And I stand by this point. And I think it is reality. This is a point. That is going to make everyone who hates the president mad at me. But I stand by this point. I believe this I would not tell you anything I didn't believe true including this. If in late January and the very beginning of February the president took all of the aggressive action. That the Democrats and the media demand, he should've taken at the end of January beginning of February. They would've accused the president of sparking fear to distract from the impeachment. The beach retrial was not concluded until February Fifth By that time the president spoke to Bob Woodward on February seventh by that time, the president knew is worse than the flu knew about the spread in China knew about the situation in China blocked travel from China, and what do they do when the President Block travel from China in January they accused him of distracting from impeachment they accused him of braces and xenophobia. Had the president done more had been had he been more aggressive they would have attacked him for distracting from impeachment. And you can take issue with me and be mad at me about that and deep down. You know dern well, that's true. Because everything at the end of January beginning of February was seen through the lens of impeachment every single thing. When the president ordered the military to take out Qassim Salami. You had hysterics on MSNBC claiming the president was going to start world war three to distract from impeachment. When the president stopped travel with China. You had hysterics on MSNBC. Saying the president was engaged in in racist xenophobic against. To distract from impeachment. The World Health Organization came out. And criticize the president for that travel ban and the media trumpeted as proof that the president had gotten the policy wrong. Anthony FAUCI. said the President Save Lives and bonus US time? The media would prefer to pay attention to the World Health Organization. But it was the world health. Organization we now know in hindsight. was actually doing the dirty work of China and serving as a propaganda for China and wasn't telling the world truthful information and was dismissing Taiwan's raising the red flag about the virus at the time. Because the World Health, organization wanted to side with China against Tyron. You cannot honestly tell me. You, may you may be one of the few people who really does believe it but I think most of you privately would be willing to acknowledge it. If Donald Trump were no longer in office, you would finally recognize the fact that had he acted the way people demanded he acted you would have said at the time it was to distract from impeachment. That It's true. I mean everything the president did at the time. Was Considered a distraction from each man. So to Hanley to the virus also. There are a lot of people out there who say what the president really should have done given. The extent of it is he should've shut down done a shutdown earlier and he should have imposed a mask mandate Joe Biden himself has come out and said, those things are unconstitutional. You know it's so here's the thing and and this is this is one of the funny funny bits of all of this. Is I took the time last night to write a very lengthy piece. On all of this. Including the whole section on what the president should have done differently could have done differently might have done differently and probably needed to do differently in light of his knowledge about the corona virus articulated in his own voice. To Bob Woodward. Overwhelmingly, and this is a fact overwhelmingly when I encounter people on the left who tell me the president should of done differently and I dare to ask what should he have done differently. The only two. that. They say are mask mandate and shut down the economy shut us all down. The two things that even Joe Biden says are unconstitutional. Most of the people who are criticizing the president of these things are not actually very thoughtful. They're broken bipartisanship orange man bad is their narrative anything. The president does is despicable disdainful. It has an ulterior motive that they themselves fueled by their trump hatred. No. The president is not perfect. There are things he could have done. Differently there are things you probably should have done differently. There are things he should have done differently. No probably about it. But also. Same with Bob Woodward. Who held the knowledge? Of, what the president said so that he could sell books while bodies piled up rounding. Same with the media same with Andrew Cuomo same with the governor of Louisiana John Bel. Edwards same with the Governor of New Jersey. It's not like Nancy. Pelosi the Democrats were also being given briefings on the stuff they could have done something differently as well. But Nancy Pelosi was telling people this you go to Chinatown and enjoy Chinese new? Year. I'm just not willing to single out the president of the United. States all of this when so many people got stuff wrong including Saint Anthony Fauci who's telling people not to wear masks at the indicate another beginning they the end of February. And I firmly committed to the belief. That those who say? The. President should have acted more decisively more vocally more boldly at the end of January beginning of February. Same people who would have accused him of distracting from impeachment. Had He done so? and. Yes I want you to know this. You need to know this. Let me look directly at my camera for the livestream audience so that you can see my face what? I say this I never on this program safe things that I think you want here in fact, I've got a history of burning bridges with my audience saying things that I believe to be true that they don't like to hear about the president and everything else. But I firmly firmly believe every single one of you seething with rage over what the president didn't do that. You think he should have done. Had he done it when you wanted him to do it you would have said he was distracting from impeachment and you can never bring yourselves to admit impeachment was a failed distraction and impeachment itself cost lives in the virus you wanNA blame Donald Trump. You should blame the Demonstra Democrats for distracting the nation with a foolhardy impeachment where they couldn't get a single Republican on board despite the fact that some of these people are leaving office despise the president of the United. States. And, the Democrats never even bothered to try to make a bipartisan case they never did. In distracted everyone while a pandemic was spreading. But Orangemen bad. That makes you sleep well at night. I hope I can stop talking about the Bob Woodward Book. Now, 'cause I'm exhausted by the topic I. You know I feel like I've got an obligation to cover the news I have covered the news I'm done I'm done with Woodward. Actually I'm not done with Woodward. One. final. Point. About Bob. Woodward. and. Then I wanNA move onto all the other news of the day. Also John Pins the vice president's nephew is going to call in here in a minute but one final point Bob Woodward. please. Let me make this and I want to go to calls. y'All. Why would you ever talk to Bob Woodward? Why would you talk about? If there's one thing the president should have done differently that's me pending on my desk. It's toll talk to Bob Woodward. No good has ever come from anyone talking to Bob. Woodward That's just the reality. Do not talk to Bob Woodward and the president should not have talked to Bob Woodward Bob Woodward wrote a book about this White House at the beginning of the trump tenure in office, and he is the president didn't get to talk to him the book what took a very negative take on the administration and the president decided he wanted to be someone to talk to Bob. Woodward. Well, the the staff humored the president on the second go round with Woodward. The president spent eighteen conversations with Bob Woodward recording the calls. And look happened the moral of the story to not talk to Bob Woodward Mr President ever don't do it. I. Don't care who the president is. Don't do it. Now let's go to Jim Calling from Decatur Jim Welcome to the program. Well. Thank you. Well, who we go through this periodically of suffering from what I call twenty twenty hindsight. We never can remember, and so that's probably why we never asked the question. What did. This guy know at the time what did any of us know at the time. governor Cuomo said all those covid nineteen elderly back to the nursing homes. But in his possible defense, I don't know that I necessarily agree with this. But in his possible defense, we could say he was worried about his New York hospitals, beds overflowing. That was a real concern. Whether or not that was still a good idea kind kinda doubt it. But at the could I at the time have assessed that and come to the same possible conclusion. I don't know, and so we just don't WanNa let water go under the bridge about splashing around in it so. You. said that now I I will say this we we do now know from Woodward's tapes of the president and his own voice. He did know just how much more aggressive the coronavirus was before the public new the media we still telling people was not as bad as the flu the president was telling Bob Woodward on the phone that he knew was at least five times more deadly than the flu and more contagious than the flu. At the same time, you're you're right on on all these situations and I do think part of the problem right now is the hindsight issue. Is Everybody. Wants to go back and say in hindsight we should this or that, and because you didn't, it's bad but we don't really it's very much like We now have this habit of this country of looking at people from two hundred years ago and judging them by our current standards. We're looking at things from from nine months ago when we didn't know Steph saying you should have done this except we didn't know that a we now know for the president's own worst. There are some things he did. No, he didn't act like he knew. But there's still a lot. He didn't know I mean keep in mind that it was still I mean foul she at the February we sell people don't wear masks. Among other things But let me take one issue with you jim on the Cuomo part. Yes, it is. Very. It is very true. His concern could have been hospital overrun he had said that, but that could be a concern. At the same time we do know it was February fifteenth that Rhonda Santa's advisers were telling him. You've got a shutdown long term care facilities. You've got to protect the elderly. You've got to keep infected elderly patients from going back to nursing homes. and Florida's well was beginning to worry about the surgeon Florida and the potential for overrun of hospitals. and. They set up emergency facilities. To protect the elderly into, keep them quarantine if they had the virus, Andrew Cuomo Bill de Blasio didn't do that on the same day that Rhonda's Santa's was doing. This cuomo was giving the order to send infected elderly patients back in nursing homes. So, we shouldn't judge them in hindsight. But, I think it is fair to judge them based on the actions of the other governors who got what right and who got what wrong. At the same time. I continue to believe this point drives everybody crazy on both sides. But there's a level of grace that we have to extend to everyone in the situation. Democrat and Republican and Bob Woodward. Because there is a lot. We know now that we didn't no doubt. No then. And a lot of the initial information we have from China was willfully wrong. And we've got it. We got to be mindful of that I think we do have to be mindful and show some grace everyone and no one wants show graced anyone particularly the left and the media to the president. They don't WanNa show grace. It's all his fault. Everyone would have live to the president done things differently the things they should have done differently or the things that even Joe Biden says the president can't do and we should be mindful of those points as well when it comes to coverage in an and concern over the virus. Hello there it is Eric Erickson here. The full number. If you WANNA be part of the program eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five I am awaiting John Pins He is the nephew of the vice president and he's out actually on the campaign trail campaigning for the president and the vice president and talking a lot about economic policy. In the meantime I WANNA go back to the phones and I want to go to Matthew calling from Atlanta Matthew Welcome to the program. Hello Eric how you doing first time caller longtime listener. Thanks very much. Yeah. So a couple months ago maybe maybe six months ago message on Instagram and I said that it's possible that people will be double voting and Lo and behold looks like people will be trying to do with in person and mail ballots that the interesting thing is looks like America looks at Third World countries with the day and when they have their elections and people have to show up and put their finger in ink well after they vote to ensure that high. Point because it aggravates in fact, I don't know if you've seen this but yesterday. rahm Emanuel's brother Zeke Emanuel who designed obamacare actually there was an interview when he said that in person voted is perfectly fine it's no less safe than going to the grocery store to buy groceries a I, it infuriates me that we devalue in this country in person voting particularly when it's such a major deal in third world countries, I mean you you just brought up the the point of Iraq in the people voting and they had the purple ink on their finger and Afghanistan. The same thing as as a as a mark of success and progress and democracy, and this country people don't want to bother show up you know ironically ironically. Do you know the number one group? Of. People who WanNa vote in person. At the pulse. It's not Republicans. The number one group of people in the United States of America. Who Vote in person? that. Would be black voters. It took a long time. For. Black voters to be able to go to the polls without intimidation. The Democrats would have them believe that they are intimidated every time to go to the polls. That's not really true. black voters actually want to go to the polls they want to. Go Vote in person that they earned it. And I it's it's a bunch of white people who just want to mail it in full disclosure. I've requested my absentee ballot box I know on election day I get exceedingly busy doing TV hits in Radio and everything else and I don't want to forget show up and vote and I don't really want to stand in the line on election day this year with the virus. So I'm GonNa Vote Absentee but I've requested my ballot but normally I don't like to. Go in person. I don't mind hanging out on the lines. And I honestly the if if I were king for day. If I were king for a day. I would ban all early in absentee voting. Except for people abroad. Who can't get back to the United States including the military? and. Possibly those people who are infirm and can't get out of of the hospital or nursing homes. But every single other able bodied American. Show up on election day stand in line together freeze together swept together. Get Rained on, get wet whatever stand there together and go vote as a people. It makes it even easier for people to be intolerant. Of Their Fellow Americans and how they vote. By, not having to stand in line with them and get to know them. There's actually you know I was going to talk about this later but the perfect jumping off point there is, let's see. the website that I read. It's tech website. And I want to read you the headline on this piece. Trump voters. Should face negative consequences for their actions. This is a The website I don't Wanna I don't want it the guy harassed, but he's endorsing this and he's actually referring to a piece written by a designer, a writer called Gabriel. Blair. She's the creator of a a website called the design mom blog. And I wanna read you this. The other day I saw a tweet were person described that when they find out someone they know personally support trump they lose all respect for them. Instantly I liked the tweet and re tweeted it but stopped short of Sheridan on instagram why I suppose it's because like the author of the tweet I, also know trump supporters in real life. They already know I think trump is gross and they know that I frequently criticized trump supporters as a group, but I've hesitated to tell them directly that I've lost respect for them individually. But I woke up this morning, read reports of the final night of the Republican. National, convention in event hundreds of federal employees broke many laws grew deeply angry and now my hesitation is gone. And basically she tells them stop coming to their her website. She didn't create content forum. They sick in her stomach. She believes they need to face negative consequences that they're not decent people. They're abhorrent. And that she doesn't really want to know people. Who? Supporting The little broken not not respecting your neighbor this is a political decision. Each it this is a political decision. And the leftist so internalized this mythology that the president is somehow authoritarian, they actually are becoming the authoritarian. They so internalized the mythology of the president's attire at they're becoming tyrannical. If you don't agree with them, you must be punished. If you don't vote their way, you must be silenced. If you don't agree with them on on social policy, you must be destroyed. If anything honestly, you know go my feelings on the president and and this is one of the main reasons why I think it's got an obligation to support. The guy is because I think people like this need to lose. They need to see that the president's not a tire. They need to see the president's on authoritarian. They need to see that after four more years the president will be retired. Thanks to constitutional term limits. They need to see that all of their internalized hate towards the president and his supporters really is a true. And if Joe Biden wins, they'll never get that opportunity. They will smugly sleep in their bed at night thinking the right about all the stuff when they've been wrong the whole time the level of contempt these people for trump voters largely because they live in sheltered bubbles of progressivism where they never have to reach out to their fellow person that they don't understand what the struggles are of a blue collar worker in America that they don't understand. The life of your average. American. Outside some urban utopia that's actually a third world. Hellhole. These days ANTIFA comes through burning the place down and they still blame they blame donald trump for that. It's amazing how Donald Trump has such massive mind control over Joe Biden's voters that he can command them at will the burned down cities? This is the mythology in which the left leads these days because it makes them sleep well at night because deep down really. They're more marginalized and they kind of know it most Americans. Don't actually share their progressive values nor do they share their their vision for economic chaos in the United States with the Joe Biden. Administration where we raised four trillion dollar Joe Biden wants to raise more taxes on Americans and even Hillary Clinton wanted as ridiculous that's the perfect segue for John Pinch who is joining me from the campaign trail how are you? I'm great. Greater So I well I'm glad you're able to call in here and talk about because I was just discussing with the. There's this piece I was reading from the so-called mom blogger that basically she thinks trump voters are terrible. They need to suffer negative consequences and my personal thought is that you know Joe Biden gets elected four trillion dollars in taxes. The whole nation will share negative consequences if by becomes president. Right, there's been there's been some reckless political rhetoric like this anti vaccine accusation when that shouldn't be political about saving lives as the president said, but there's a freedom of expression eric in this country but there's not a freedom of destruction or cancellation and I think a lot of Americans. I think the American people see through the the Party of Control, that is today's Democrat Party. Yeah well I hope so. It's it really is infuriating to me the level of intolerance from the left towards people who support the president they consider him tyrannical Ano-, totalitarian and yet they're the ones who are out there engaged in canceled culture and the like it. But I I really I. I WANNA move beyond that with you to talk about some of the big economic policy differences. I know you're out on the campaign trail I, know you're the vice president's. and. And so people say well, of course, he's going to be on the campaign trail but I would really love digits. Let you say in your own words why are you out there campaigning? If you care about Pritam. If you care about what makes America Great and if you if you see America as a as the land of the free not something that's just a medically this or systematically that I think everyone should care about this election and everyone should get involved and I left the job I was working at a law firm in Indiana when the president picked my uncle to run and I've been with the trump campaign ever since seen how this party's grown because president trump is putting America first, he's keeping his promises he's fighting for us. He's he's fighting for our freedoms. When you get on the campaign trail, what? What are you experiencing out there I'm assuming I. Mean you're you're obviously not holding these giant rallies but but how do you campaign in the present age? Well you know it's it's kind of a time honored tradition of conservatives. It's called common sense We we do this day flame responsibility, but everyone knows the president's calling to safely reopen schools. It's very different to look someone in the Ir can say, thank you, I, actually bank a a lady named Cindy who's made over ninety thousand phone calls in Columbus Georgia for the president to anchor, and then ask the room you know what more can. We do for America and the next fifty three days in defensive our freedoms and You know this Republican Party continues to mobilize, organize, and do the hard work of campaigning I was in Cairo Georgia last night, and you're you're seeing the trump campaign all over the country making the case directly to the American people for four more years on behalf of the People George I do WanNa, know and appreciate that you said Kay row instead of Cairo. So. Listen. I could imagine you know. So my wife's family is from from south Georgia and Y- there from. Vienna. which the rest of the world says via and I had to learn that early in our marriage that you gotta get these names right Cairo and in Vienna Unit Dila. So let me ask you. Go ahead. And I say WE WE HAVE ADVERSE SALES INDIANA, I'm I'm told it's pronounced for CY. Forgot about that one Okay. Now, let me ask you being in Georgia going to places like. And the like what can people do if they want to get involved in the campaign here in Georgia do phone banking or anything else? What are they need to know? What should they do? Thank you great question easy. There's a website it's called trump victory dot com. It actually has like a heat map where you can see thousands of events happening every week in your area across the country volunteers doing phone banks, volunteers canvassing, going out to knock doors. Now, just last week here in the state of Georgia, volunteers knocked over one, hundred, forty thousand doors and ask you no one would know drive in from Kiro up the Columbus Georgia some doors are pretty far apart in this state and you know this this. Is just the the army for trump that's mobilizing and getting involved and doing the hard work of campaigning to make sure that this president is is in Washington and in fighting for us for for the next four years. Okay. I've got this pulled. This is actually pretty cool. So I can go in state by state and I can see the I can see the events I can see where everybody is coming. Oh, look you're you're going be in in my town tomorrow it looks like in make it or no today in making. Him. Yeah Oh great. Yeah. I'll be making in a couple of hours I'm GONNA make that drive here in a second and you know we're we we had the campaign, we follow the president's lead, which is go out and speak directly to the American people and this president has never hesitated to to be with the people and and to make this case, this America First Agenda for the American people with the American people and that's just what that's just how we operate here. Let a look. Oh, well, see. Okay this is somewhat This is somewhat painful for me because you're going to be my accountant's office and it reminds me that I've got to deal with my taxes but. For those of you in making where I am. This afternoon on on Spring St, John's going to be there. So now are you doing this assuming you're you're doing this? Not Just Georgia, but all over the place you're you're just nonstop of these plays. You. Have I'll be in in northern New Hampshire. I'LL BE IN HOUSTON TEXAS NOT Howson Georgia. This weekend. And you know we're just it's just the grassroots movement and and and you know we now this movement is part of the Republican. Party it's why the Republican Party is growing and it's just it's it's really is unprecedented I. I can tell you Eric de enthusiasm on the ground and just look at the boat parades just that are. Happening people are more energized and mobilized than ever to to re elect. President President. Trump. Will Listen best lucky out there on the campaign trail and and I'm glad you're coming to making you. You'll like it here and just me and I and I know you're still technically in. A newlywed, you're about a year out from from getting married. So we were on the campaign trail. So God bless you for that. Thanks there. Get will celebrate my wife Giovanni and I will celebrate our one year anniversary. Monday. So I'll I'll be back home for that Good yes. Do do that police. Aren't man. Good to talk to you. Too Take Care. John Pinch He is the economic advisor for the President's campaign actually married to a relative Kellyanne. Conway is the vice president's nephew as well for those who in middle Georgia he will be in Macon this afternoon Let me get the details for you. He will be in making this afternoon at two PM on Spring Street, at the trump victory office thereby Zach spy's on St Spree Street downtown Macon ago to trump victory dot com. If you want to find out more and if you want to get involved hello there, it is irregular extent here the full number is eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric Eight seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five the Atlanta police. Union has come out with an endorsement for Doug Collins Here's Greg. Bluestar. The AJC Atlanta Police Union is backing Doug Collins bid for US Senate after the Republican called for the removal of Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard from the investigation into a high profile shooting that led charges against two officers. Collins is set to appear with members of the International Brotherhood of Police Officers Local six twenty, three union on Thursday to tout the endorsement in his campaign to unseat Senator Kelly. Leffler. The four term congressman has traveled the state to urge our to step aside and allow an independent prosecutor to take up the case after the attorney charged to Atlanta Police officers with Ray Chard Brooks killing. and. He said a letter to US Attorney General Bill Bar, urging him to open an investigation into Howard's egregious abuse of power and accused him being driven by political reasons. The longtime Atlanta Prosecutor Paul Howard was trounced in an August runoff by Fanny Willis one of his former deputies the son of a Georgia. State Patrol Trooper Collins has ratcheted up his criticism of Howard to both demonstrators support for law enforcement and undercut supporters of Leffler who have not echoed his call among them as attorney. General Chris. Carr who has pointed to state laws that show his office has the legal authority to appoint another prosecutor to a case only if a court disqualifies the DA or if the DA recused himself. Howard has denied accusations. He was politically motivated to bring criminal charges against Kirit. Ralph who fired the shots that killed Brooks and officer Devin. Bronson both said, they follow police protocol did nothing wrong you know Fannie Willis, the incoming district attorney in Fulton County over this has said that she's going to have to review the case that in large part because because Paul Howard made it part of his campaign and brought it up in campaign speeches that there are allegations of political motivation by the DA and also he could have tainted a jury. In Fulton County and it may be cost prohibitive for Fulton county to have to move the case to a different county outside the Metro area. which they're probably going to have to do. The District Attorney Paul Howard made such a big deal over his indictment of Ralph and the media also made such a big deal of it. I don't know that the guy can get a fair trial and I I feel bad for the guy. I genuinely feel bad for Garrett Ralph I don't know the guy I don't lose family. But I feel bad for him to be put through the ringer. All he was doing was doing his job and I frankly do think you've got to judge each of these cases individually and I don't think that guy did anything wrong in that case, but the DA wanted to win reelection and lost anyway. Gosh. How did we get to the third hour? Welcome in is Eric Erickson here the full number you WanNa be on the program eight, seven, seven, nine, seven Eric. Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. I know I'm not done with the critical I don't want to spend a lot more time. On the critical theory stuff But a a buddy of mine who listen to yesterday's show he's in the the Presbyterian Church in America with. And he's alarmed because there are a couple of very prominent. Churches that are coming out in support of reparations for slavery, which I vehemently oppose. Those reparations were paid a in blood on battlefields across this country. and he pointed me to a guy I don't know the guy. He's a minister within the name is Gregory Thompson who tried this before? Tim Keller piped up I've read you the Tim Keller stuff on critical theory but I I just I wanna were walk you through some of this. So you understand there is a another side to this story. I I feel like I should. But I I've got a I got to go line by line through this just point out. Some of this is he writes some general observations on a few of the harmful tendencies in a number of recent creek. Christian treatments of Cultural Marxism, which he claims is not a thing if very much is. And critical theory, which is a thing and the religious social justice. He says I can't even written in the mode of critical theory, but which will not be further elaborated or debated on facebook but may emerge in an article at some point. Whatever listen to some of this. Tendency not to disclose that we are not actually trained in critical theory or really that familiar with it but that we just heard some things about it from our cousin or maybe read some articles from people we trust and now consider ourselves sufficiently competent to make sweeping pronouncements about a series of discrete interconnected and incredibly complex disciplinary traditions even though such behavior slightly problematic for people committed to truth but I got early two hundred like so whatever as land is on the move. in other words the this is the response of someone buys it a critical theory within the Presbyterian Church in America one of the more conservative denominations in America, who I'm told is is on the verge of coming out I slave reparations among other things and I'm sorry. But if you have the train deeply like I have in critical theory, you're just not smart enough to accurately articulated. The tendency to engage Marxist materialism with a theologically infected idealism that is problematic in its own right note if you're writing about critical theory and don't understand what I just said, you should stop writing about it. See. You're not aware of your own biases when you engage with marks therefore, you can't actually understand marsh only the critical theorists can actually understand marks. The tendency to remain strangely uninterested in the terrible social context in which Marxism emerged in the first place and why it continues to resonate with the poor and outcast around the. World. Today. So according to this advocate of critical theory that we have to understand that Marxism came from from dark times where people were treated unfairly. And maybe that'll it sounds like a defensive Marxism. Does it not? The tendency to habitually mischaracterized critical theory is a worldview or a form of philosophical socialism without realizing that such things are enlarge Mary the vision. Critical theory critiques by by the way, it's worth noting that this guy is essentially saying. That you can't consider critical theory a worldview because critical theory critiques, World Views, which does in fact, then make it a world view. The tendency to seriously reduce or conflict the breath and the diversity of the theoretical streams that flow into critical theory into a cartoonish coherent whole without realizing that not even Marx held one view of Marxism. Where do you even begin with a statement like this it is. This is very much like the statement that we need to keep doing communism because no communist government has ever actually implemented communism as it was intended to be implemented. This guy is in the Presbyterian Church in America. The tendency to suggest that because one thing or a leader in the Marxist tradition thought or said or did a thing that the entire tradition is thereby committed to that thing which if true. If true and be consistently applied would be bad news for the Christian tradition. Okay. So not all Marxists have supported the genocide of those with whom they disagree. So we can't conclude that Marxism supports genocide yet. You got that that's that's what he's arguing the tendency not to let critical theorist speak for themselves but to let them speak only through our interpretation of them, which actually illustrates this. This is word Salad Gobbledygook. We've got to let the critical theorist speak for themselves, and if they're not clear, it's our fault not their fault again, this goes back to Tim Keller. Remember one of the big issues of critical theory is that language constructs our reality. And if you're in pain but the critical theorist tell you that's pleasure will by God, you better call it pleasure or else because that's what they meant. The tendency to make misleading statements with respect to the complex ways in which theories actually take shape in the world by profoundly overstating the ideological coherence of the current movement or by wrongly suggesting that Christians who participated movement buying wholesale into another Gospel well, they are and by the way. So so let's let's let's just well on this Roman. The, the to the tendency to make misleading statements with respect to complex ways in which theories actually take shape of the world to profoundly overstating the ideological coherence of the current movement I. so there isn't ideological coherence and yet this guy wants us to use critical theory. Why should we in Christianity we have this thing called Orthodoxy were over thousands of years you settle on the way things work and through Orthodox? And making sure it's true scripture and here no, it's ideologically incoherent. Let's run with it. The tendency to triumph produce articles which why people say they are trained marxists without having the slightest idea what that even means. So we're. We're not allowed to take people's word for it. So the black lives matters founders call themselves Marxist, but we're not allowed to use that because they mean something else with the word what we mean. The tendency to appear incapable of different strongly from another person or group of people in this case critical theorists. And even to be utterly exhausted annoyed by some of those differences and yet within toward a common goal without freaking out that we will be corrupted by them unless we live in ideological quarantine. So much of this as word salad. Also. By the way, it also goes onto he also goes on to essentially say that The willing. The tendency to willfully neglect the long tradition of Christian Marxists around the world especially in the Catholic Church. You presbyterians. And to traffic in the demonstrably false binary of Christian versus Marx's without realizing such a binary has more to do with rocky for does with that WHO Christian history of the planet that right there is called. Baloney. it is it's this is. And, I need you to be exposed to this because this is considered one of the big thinkers. Within the conservative Presbyterian denomination, the Presbyterian Church America if if the the Marxists. Have infested the culturally conservative Orthodox biblically Orthodox conservative Presbyterian Church in America you you need to be aware of this stuff. You need to be mindful of the denial of Cultural Marxism and it really is funny to me how the left just flat out denies. There's cultural Marxism. Do. You not see them marching in the streets burning down buildings. and. All of this goes to an inability to speak with moral clarity on what is right and what is wrong yes. The looting of the building is bad but we must understand why they looted the building. That's where he hit with this critical theories of this is all word. Salad Gobbledygook that essentially you've gotta lead. This is what this guy is arguing. This is Greg Thompson he's a pastor. And he's arguing. That you have to let the critical theorists speak for themselves into find. And if you don't go along with exactly what they say but interpreted differently, will you're doing badly? This gets to Tim Keller's Critique of critical theory, which is that they believe language is what Shapes Reality And that if you essentially if you describe pain as pleasure. Then we're to accept that that is actually pleasure. And we're to enjoy it because that's pleasure. It's very much the same way. The Communists could look at the people that really look at Bernie Sanders in the bread lines Bernie. Sanders defended bread lines in the Soviet Union is proof no one was starving because they could line up to get food no one was ever left behind. This, what we're dealing with here. This is a pasture and a conservative American denomination. WHO's trying to leave that denomination? You've got the the Scott Souls of the Nashville area. You've got this guy in others who are embracing people who believe in critical theory within a conservative evangelical denomination in this country. We are in dangerous times. The word salad approach. To this stuff is bad. and. That's essentially what we have here. Let me read you one more this criticize. This is about critics of critical theory and their tendency to reframe the discussion in such a way that the church emerges as the actual victim. Victimized by the so called priests of social justice who totally hurt our feelings and the so-called Gospel of Marxism which threatens our beliefs thereby not only taking the attention off the people who are to use one example dying from fixation the streets after eight minutes, forty six seconds, but also continuing the long. Tradition of making everything about ourselves. You see that you can't defend yourself from this because if you say that cultural that critical theories bad will than you're distracting from George Floyd and you're making it all about yourself. For some people I realized this stuff sounds good. But this this is like pseudo intellectual stuff to me. I mean, this guy even admits that there's no coherence. In the ideology and yet once. Christian denominations to embrace the stuff. This this is ridiculous Gobbledygook, word salad nonsense and and somehow we're supposed to treat it as real where we're supposed to treat it as as sustainable. We're supposed to treat this seriously as a way to interpret scripture to analyze scripture and to share the Gospel with people. How can you when they already admit that there's there's no coherent philosophy here and by the way not actually. Treating the the Marxism as being dismissive of Marxism. Marxism. Has Killed More. People. Globally then even Nazism. And to look at this is the same way that the left has always said, we'll. No, one's ever really done communism. The right way here comes a pastor in the Presbyterian Church in America, the PCA who is claiming that no one really done Marxism right. And you you can't hold one person getting Marxism wrong for another person who eventually get it right that that may not cause the genocide of millions of people. You've got Marxists running China today. You go through China and you'll see murals that have the picture of Karl Marx wrote next Chairman Mao. Are we not to allow that to speak for itself? This guy would argue you can't that. They're just getting a wrong. You know there's not intellectual consistency here. Here's the bottom line. If you're a person of faith. You believe there's an absolute truth. You believe there's a real truth. And? This guy is embracing something other than real? Truth. As a way to interpret truth. He he's willing to embrace something amorphous that can be shaped by the person into whose hit it is implanted. And let that person speak and he's dismissive of people like John Mc Order and people like David Brooks and others for pointing out that this really is in and of itself a religion, it really is a faith and it is a faith in it. It's early forums that is still being shaped by its Gospel adherence and this guy's largely admitting it. It's still being shaped different for everyone and yet we should apply. This is this is bad news and it's that it's in a conservative religious denomination Christian denomination in the United States. Eat those who are in the nomination myself included need to be vigilant against the sort of stuff. in rejected the sort of stuff. And and push back forcefully against it. Because you read this stuff and and none of this really makes sense and the level of dismissive. ISM. That Marxism. Surely, not not a big deal Christian Marxists are just I? No, no. No. In fact in the history of Central America a Catholic priest who embrace a Christian Marxism as they turned a blind data genocide. That's not me. That's actual true history. in that, this guy is dismissing all that man I fear for the denomination. If that's the way they're going and I realized when we were listed as well I'm not in that I'm the PISCOPO Balian. does it matter? It's coming for all of us if it's gotten into something like the PCA it's coming for all of us everywhere you bet or pay attention into it. I found a movie that can be turned into a best picture that that has all the diversity requirements. Your you know the the Kademi words say that unless you've got diverse movies now. They've got to be diverse in their casting. They gotta be diverse behind the scenes you gotta have so many in the gay community. So many lesbians so many people in Wheelchairs all of that I I look forward to to them remaking nineteen seventy by the way with a wheelchair-bound lesbian as the chief of the British squadron trying to go across the the German Front to get a message that river scene is going to be something with the wheelchair nonetheless So they have decided that you gotta have all the diversity I know a movie that could be made get. This is actually incredible story the California fire there were two hundred. I'd just this is this is profound me. Two hundred people. In California. Surrounded by the fire out there by the wildfire. And cal fire told them. They were on their own. That they would have to do whatever they could to save themselves. Schmidt, they're all GonNa die two hundred people were going to die because the California fire rescue team said Nope can't come to you. You're on your own. So the California National Guard loaded up helicopters. Helicopters. And Cal Fire Can the California? Fire. Department ordered them to stand down. Told Them. No, you can't go do it. It's too dangerous. Don't go in the California National Guard gave the California firefighters the Middle Finger and rescued all two hundred. California residents. I just I. We need to to meditate on this point for minute. That not only did the fire department say no, it's too risky. Don't go. But abandoned two hundred people to a fire. To their deaths. and. It was the national. Guard, that saved them. I'm just I'm I, really genuinely am flabbergasted. By this I I mean I really really actually am flabbergasted. That they would abandon two hundred people i. saw the pictures now they could turn this into a movie because. It's there was a diverse cry. I saw the pictures of the people I saw the pictures of the people on the helicopter and and the the national. Guard soldiers who rescued them and they were super diverse. Super diverse and I just I think it was amazing. To See what they did I, it's horrific to see what they had to go through to get there a terrific, but it's also deeply impressive that they would do that. These are real heroes. Who did this the and this again, let me read you. This is actually all what what's happening here. This is from social media cal fire was alerted that two hundred people were entirely encircled in fire. They formally declared them beyond the ability of California fire to save effectively telling them they were on their own likely to die the California National Guard spun up two helicopters and headed out to help on the right over cal fire called them repeatedly to call them off and tell them to go back to base. It was too dangerous. Flying using night vision through high crosswinds, Suk, burning numbers, and rough terrain. The, California National Guard rescued all two hundred people. Their efforts were captured through their own pictures. Huge, huge props. To Count National Guard. There are videos of them the evacuees from the creek fire exit a Chinook helicopter from the California National Guard Fortieth Combat Aviation Brigade after landing safely two hundred people. Two hundred people they stuffed the helicopter full of people strip the helicopter down they'll normally holds about thirty people stripped him down so that they could hold those two hundred people and saved their lives when the fire depart was going to abandon them that just amazing heroism at work there by the National Guard to save those people, it is era Harrison here the Eric Erickson show the full number, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, seven, four, five there is so much going. On in the wide world of sports right now, I I actually. So I'm spoken wings this afternoon to go hang out with a buddy and in watch the the NFL tonight watch actual football But now you've got high school sports around the country deciding what's going on and stuff I thought it would act. He actually was texting me last night as I was starting to text him to say you should come on Dave. Briggs. Join me to talk about all of this. How are you? I'm great brother. How are you? Yeah it's a good time of year. We've got finally got no preseason action. So of your. Guessing what GonNa look like tonight, what how the protests might impact at all but the NBA has been outstanding although the ratings have been awful and high school football with on my radar, and that's why I reached down to you my state Connecticut. Thousands of players, parents and coaches protest at the state capital because are they cancelled the entire season? Of High School football, which I should be unbiased I'm not I find it outrageous awful decision by the Connecticut State Health Department and hopefully the. Governor. Lamont. Reverses earn that decision Friday. Know let me ask you about that one because you and I we talked about this. I saw some of your tweets on this. They've been doing like practices and the light throughout the summer they haven't had any instances of the virus and yet they want to cancel it. state-wide. They've been practicing full-contact slow teams out there in the heat. The drills. Hitting, Renton it they're grouped together. They're not social distance and we just haven't seen the science. There's been zero spread in Connecticut interference. As you've heard about with college football programs there has been saying about the spread on the football field. Presumably, it's been in the training room locker rooms, weight rooms, and things of that nature. But now in that instance, Connecticut has gone out of their way to be safe into where mass into social distance it's not just that. The State of Connecticut we are third bastard lowest cases in the United States. Per One hundred thousand and yet we have a few states. In. The country that has cancelled the season entirely not putting to the spring not to the winter but cancelling an entirely got thousands of parents saying number one at least let us have a say which we don't let us see the science what about you know think about these parents or kids have worked ten fifteen years every day blood sweat and tears, and maybe there's only twenty or thirty of them but those kids that are scholarship type of athletes. Have that ripped from their hands can't compete for a scholarship scholarships not on the football field and those scholarships will be handed out. They'll just go to kids from other students what about those parents can't afford to send their kids to college imagine just ripping three, four, hundred, thousand dollars of education from them, and then I talked to a lot of coaches there. Last night you said, their biggest concern is what happens to these kids when they're not playing high school football Friday nights there on the field. Instead, what are they gonNA be they're going to be drinking beers. They're going to be at parties probably not social distancing likely wear ask. And football is the reason for them to perform in school. It gives them structure and discipline helps their mental health literally as reason points to finding a way for these kids to play high school football in the plates safely, and that's not what they do and you see it largely political is there most of the decisions to not play aren't largely blue states like? Most of the states that aren't willing to play or Red States, Texas Florida Oklahoma, you name it. They're playing despite seven times covert prevalence that we have here. This is the thing that I have found most fascinating in all of this. Regardless of any of the commentary that's out there on the politics of it really is, for example, you've got a New York City New York now, which actually has a very low rate of the virus is not reopening schools and and a lot of states actually are and I that that have higher rates of the virus and parents are getting really frustrated, and now you've got this scenario in Connecticut. The the whole thing just sounds a little absurd to me. Yeah and I think it's really unfortunate that were doing it largely through. Political lines red and blue states. Let us see the signs I. Mean we can all agree that. Let's let the science lead the way here. But when they Connecticut State Health Department won't show you the science of why. So these labeled football contact football a high risk activity without providing the science behind that again, zero spread on football practice throughout the state they are moving ahead. Ice Hockey tournaments in Gore's four contact throughout the state of Connecticut Work Kids are coming from other states mind you and indoor volleyball. Indoor volleyball will procedure in the state of Connecticut. So look for those people out there. They're saying, go you know Republicans Are Dallas into the science? That's not true. We just want to see the science and the to the -demia allergist. Ahead of ACC medical advisory board he believes that they can play college football safely and that's part of the reason the ACC moving from where the SEC moving forward down in your country, and then you've got the twelve. The big ten deciding not to place a largely again along political lines, not necessarily following your son's. I believe Connecticut will reverse this decision on Friday I. Think they were shocked at the outrage and you think there were stunned at the participation by the players It was all walks of life. It was very diverse protest and I'll everyone sang these kids jeopardizing themselves by protested a hundred percent of these kids were wearing masks. I was very stressed how politically activists kids were. Teacher while well, you know. So let's switch from high school to the NFL, what are you expecting with the protests and I continue to hear grumbling from a lot of people who are NFL fans and just feel they need an escape from everything by looking at sports and other they're upset with the level of political activism they're having to see when they're going to the sports to get away from the political activism. I'm very concerned Eric and it's because of what I'm seeing in the NBA I'm die hard sports fan. You don't have to worry about me I, watch everything but my Denver Nuggets who are not usually this. Good. So their attention playing the LA clippers I'm talking with friends and family from Colorado. Hey. What do you think of the nuggets? Not One of them will watch because all it is constant reminder of. The social injustice, the black lives matter movement. As you know, it's painted on the NBA court most of the interviews that they give post game instead of talking about the game go right back to the black lives matter movement I talked to the owner of the Milwaukee Bucks classroom this and I. said it may be a good cause but don't you feel bad business and he said I don't even if it is. We. Believe we're doing the right thing. Their ratings are down twenty percent Eric. There's nothing to watch on television. The NBA playoffs should be gangbusters they're down twenty percent one point nine, million people watching on average three and a half million. We're watching two years ago man, my concern is the NFL has the same problem but Roger Goodell Eight no commissioner silver is very different than the NFL owners also very different than. For more conservative. There's going to be protests but NFL in their less than with Colin, Kaepernick it hurt their wallet and it hurt it immediately, there's going to be protests is going to be la players taken in me but I think they're going to do everything they can to keep it off the sidelines an awful television broadcast most importantly I think what goodell will hope to do is let the protests on, keep it off the TV keep the focus on the sport if they don't, they're ratings will pay no doubt about it. Yeah I think they will. You bring up the the point of Goodell's Know Adam silver. I have not had a chance to talk to you about this but he the woke kness of the of the NBA particularly in light of the China situation in for example, ESPN which would yank the cameras away from people looking at the protest signs in got the situation of Disney having film Milan in an area where their concentration camps it it just seems like the the the moral inconsistency of the NBA and incorporations like Disney is really starting to. Sink into the conscience of the public. Yeah. The hypocrisy is is really sick. Leave is see through regarding how the NBA just. Fell to their knees when China threatened I mean there was a players is. Human. Rights but largely the NBA did everything they could to sweep that under the carpet and the coddle the NBA 'cause the billions of dollars that China offers them but human rights didn't ultimately carry the day with the NBA China when you're talking about millions of people being locked up over there that the Muslim League. So now I it's it's a bad look for the NBA to constantly be forcing this message. Downhill and they're paying for it people just want to watch. It's not to say that people don't support the movement that don't want to see these. These police shootings, and of course we do. An awful awful pattern overseeing these United States but people deserve an outlet. They deserve to sit down and watch some sports with constantly being reminded of how racist this country you think. You know I think it makes it a lot of people the wrong way as well. Players making thirty, thirty, five, million dollars a year to score fifteen point game talking about what a racist country we are I think. It's difficult for some people to embrace the fact that every billionaire millionaire billionaire athlete. Is a black athlete in the United States and not because of how they played largely because they've been allowed to become corporations the money they make off the court is larger than they make on it. So it's a hard message for these guys to be delivering when they're making tens of millions, and in some case hundreds of millions, and now we're seeing billionaire athletes. Yeah, that's such. A great point, the level of hypocrisy there, and just if frustration people just want an escape now before I, let you go I I would be remiss being where I am noting twenty nine to nine the braves versus the Marlins last night that I missed the game. But yet, you know I just I I gotta give one for the braves. They always seem to disappoint me and yet they didn't last night. They didn't they. We'll. You have world series soaps very. Good young players. Can they win a world series with this club probably not but I find you know I don't know what it is about baseball it is largely absent the the real mainstream discussion and I don't know if the absence of fans but I just don't find people talking about it watching it and maybe it is strictly the absence of fans I think they need. To start introducing at least socially distant stadiums and by the way six NFL stadiums including tonight, the chiefs will have fans there and I think that'll be a difference maker for the NFL I think those teams that are going to allow some fans are going to be better better product. The Major League Baseball Product isn't great right now, but that's a great win by your break. Outstanding. Better could have some chick fillet and sitting stadium they'll and watch. Yeah. Totally. I i. just I I need to sit in the stand and have a beer and watch a game and and none of that is half I actually have a buddy of mine. He had a small group of people they were allowed into one of the rooms at the game last night. Watch it no one in the stands. But in you know, they got the fancy glass areas where you can go get drinks and stuff and they can stay up there and there were like two dozen people spread out watching the game and that was it and you would have never known. They were there. Just they need. Baseball needs people in the stadiums I always find baseball so much more fun to watch in the crowd as opposed on DVD. Yeah don't I don't think that any sport Lucy, the ratings return to where they were before until they have fans now the NFL might be different if they're able to keep the protests somewhat quiet I think people are so hungry for football action because I would expect you to be thirty million people watching tonight and a return to the fifteen. Million Person Average that they saw last season but that's a big. If, they can make sure the protests onto story that the football carries the day I'm hopeful but I'm not certain. Well, I I'm I'M GONNA be watching tonight I'm smoking wings and having a few beers and watch dave listen. Thanks for stopping by. Appreciate it very much. Wings and beer brother tears. Enjoy it. Take Care Daybreak. With CNN for awhile was with weakened Fox and friends taking a hiatus from TV right now to cover sports the Texans and the chiefs play tonight at eight twenty on NBC I i. Absolutely you know I, I like College Football I. I'm not a huge sports guy, but I, Love College football. And I'm ready to really get Georgia Games lsu games. But I'm watching this tonight I'm watching Man Davis. Oh right. The pro to I'm I'm exhausted by the there's no escape from it. They want you to care. You will be made to care. They want you to care. There's no respite from any of it and I think people really want to break the they're just tired of it. They they need they need an outlet and they're not getting it by forcing the stuff into their TV screens and end and rubbing their nose in it and people are starting to resent it. I think Eric Erickson here the. Show let's go to the phones bill calling from Eaton Welcome to the program. Bill. Hey Eric. I just. Heard that talking about because not going to college, my immediate reaction is with this. Crap and all the other stuff is going on why would anyone in their child to a college today? Only to be indoctrinated in liberal politics and how to be a good cog in the communist wheel. I could say a lot of other. Stuff. Look I get you you know honestly I. It's funny. You should say this bill because I'm having more and more conversations with parents. So my my oldest just turned fifteen we've we've still got a few years but the amount of concern that people have right now over their kids going to college it's not just the cost is that they're not really learning valuable skills in fact, more and more data shows that your kid can go to a trade school and learn a vocational occupation and make more money with less debt than a whole lot of People going into. Your regular traditional four year bachelor degree college, which is surprising and you know I mean I I would law school I I would undergrad and law school at Mercer University Walter F George, School of law there too ashamed to say at these days and. I personally. AM still paying off student loans from law school and I haven't practiced law since two, thousand six, really a really two thousand and five wrapped up my last case two, thousand, six and is it worth Sydney? These days to college were you're going to be deeply indebted. They're going to be deeply indebted and they're going for a bunch of liberal propaganda. I I suspect what we're going to see is a number of colleges kind of rice from the rubble of the pandemic. Frankly, I think it would be a good thing if some American colleges universities went out of business of what's going on. That I mean, kids can't go to college now the there's a pandemic they're trying their best kids are going there being well, they're being college kids. Here comes the virus and. They're having to to socially distance learning. I don't know that the sustainable for a lot of schools and I actually think it's probably a good thing. I think that we are oversaturated in colleges and universities in the United States right now Menia them you're not getting the bang for the buck with it. You're getting an indoctrination instead of an education you're getting a bunch of you got a bunch of frivolous degrees the whole victimization victimology classes of of women's Studies Gender Studies Queer Theory Studies. African American studies you name it and you got a bunch of kids going in and stuff like that. My favorite was years ago someone complaining they got a master's degree in puppetry arts and we're upset they couldn't make ends meet and I'm thinking what are you thinking? Of course, you're not GonNa, you're not going to be making ends meet with a master's degree in puppetry arts and the student loan to come away with that and listen if you WANNA. Do something like that. Go for it. But don't then insist on social policies that bail you out of your irresponsibility. I'm just I'm I'm not there with you. it just it. It's the whole thing is crazy to me. I. Don't have a lot of sympathy for American. Universities these days given. What they've been, what they've allowed to happen under the name of tenure among other things by the way before we get out of here, there's an interesting story. Right. Now, Mark Galli he is. The was the editor of Christianity today. You'll remember he wrote the big editorial basically saying. A pox on all of you for supporting. Donald Trump is unworthy of support and by the way I'm retiring he has retired from Christianity today the newspaper founded by Billy Graham and now he's converting to Catholicism. That's right. He's convert having having burned all the bridges with Christianity today hurt them with their subscriber base, left the door and said I'm Catholic now. Interestingly enough that I I know I know a lot of evangelicals who have converted to Catholicism Dino what it is liturgy? The, the going to church and being made to feel like you're in a sacred space as opposed to the converted Walmart with the band on stage There are a lot of people who like to feel the sacred and they don't feel it and I. I think this modern trend evangelicalism where you go into the big box tour with the band on stage and the neon lights and the strobe lights and the disco balls and and the regular chairs and Y- you got nothing There are a lot of people who get turned off by that. They WANNA level of energy I. Honest to goodness. Protestant churches could do themselves a world of good if they got serious about ecclesial. Aji and too many of them are not there. There's your there's your theology of the day. All right. Listen A we're going to be back here. Tomorrow I don't know after this last bit who knows but. We do I want to talk about the sturgis rally? I'm sure you've heard the report there's a lot on there. I didn't have time for today I. Don't want have to talk about Bob Woodward Tomorrow I. Think I've exhausted the topic in one day I'm already tired of the story. I'm already tired of the election at this point I, just want it done I wanted over I'm just this. This whole year needs to be put on the ash heap of history and let's move on to twenty twenty one.

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Conservatives may come up with some stupid policy ideas from time to time but they approach with the left comes up with who all of those policy ideas are. Stupid. But. Understand that everybody does stupid things. which begs the following question. And it's one that I think almost everybody has got to be thinking about with regard to this all Bob Woodward Balked Donald, trump well yeah. I knew the covered with serious, but at Intel anybody. I tried to like not let people paddock, etc.. The question that just begged this. Is Why the World Donald Trump talked about word. Why would he have done that? Now I know what the answer is. But it's still a great question in the obviously I was very stupid of the president to do it. And as I say everybody does stupid things. The president's of Master tactician rarely makes a mistake like this but this is a mistake. We hear that Lindsey Graham encouraged him to do it. Lindsey Graham's one of the senators whose. Input the president his. Valued. Now, we need to step back for Bob, Bob Woodward wrote this book Bob Woodward writes books he still affiliated with The Washington Post basically what he does about once a year he comes out with some book and it's time to be time to some event in the news ed the books are not these. It's not like he's writing a book for history of the book is essentially a lawyer news story that is to be read. Now, what about something that's going on now you know what he's done books of going out of the White House this data, the other thing that he's got this book about the president of the management of coveted. So in the book. Quotes the president is saying that he knew that covid was serious, but he didn't WanNa panic the American people. So he downplayed the thing yet this is created this latest story now that everybody is going bonkers over. Now. There's two parts of the story. The second is. What trump said and how trump is defending what he has to say it I think that most people who are fair minded don't have a problem with trump was happy to say and trump was saying look I didn't see any point in panicking people. I didn't want to have happen essentially what's happened shutting down the economy had everybody overreacting and so forth and so on. I think that the president probably recognized. That this was something that was going to get a fair number of people sick but he didn't think it was worth destroying America and turning people into would just absolute freak out. As it turns out everybody freaked out anyway. So the president may as well of just jumped on board for the very beginning but. That's where he was coming from. Had the president handle this exactly the opposite of the same people that are criticizing criticize him for that. The Donald trump panicked everybody over something that turned out to be an overreaction and destroyed the academy. Now, the fact that trump can't win without regard to what he does isn't the point. The point is why did trump talked to Bob Woodward allowing Bob Woodward to? He did a zillion veterans is trump apparently for this book and Woodward found the one explosive quote out of all the things that trump said he found the one thing which becomes the thing that they turned into the news story and the focus of the book at all my goodness trump admits that he didn't that he can seal the severity of the American public and so forth. So forth with. So why did he talk to Bob Woodward? Now I get I know why talked about but people are wondering why he talked to Bob Woodward. Now, the first part of the answer is, why did you talk to Bob Woodward while he? It was stupid. It was a stupid thing to do, but still he had to have a thought process involved. In doing the stupid thing and I can relate to it because I understand what happened here. First of all, he's got some people tell to be auto talk Bob Woodward. Now here. It's that they'll tell them. Look what we're GONNA do this book. Woodward says the ability to get sources that he's got your administration has been leaking like a sieve. As long as you've the president, it's better Dow, but they're going to be people that put out stuff including people that put out bad versions. You're better off talking to Woodward and getting your side right there into the book furthermore. It's generally well known that if you talk to whatever you're gonNA, come off better in the book than if you don't talk to Woodward, if you read Eddie of Woodward's books. And he's written ninety-five chilly at them. They're all pretty much the same thing. He'll write these books that. Rarely quote anybody will describe what people said in a meeting, but you don't know who it is. That's the source for it. In other words, a typical Woodward Book. We'll have a conversation in which three people are involved in a meeting and Woodward quote all three people said and you wonder how the world would know that he wasn't there and the answer is he has trusting that the one of the three. One of those three people in the meeting obviously Blab. Eddie's trusting that the person who blew him telling the truth, but that's Woodward ranch the book. So they telling trump look you're going to get this books to be written. They're gonNA put all of this stuff out there. So you talked to, what were you gonna be able to get more favorable treatment from Woodward if you talked to Woodward and at least you'll get your version of events out there so that it isn't something come from this one that when it so plus they were. Ghetto fault. She's GonNa Talk. Would you know all of those people that don't like you're GonNa talk to Woodward and they're just GonNa trashy see you may as well get your version out there a cooperate with Woodward? Add that. That's told. Ed It's not entirely unreasonable. But it's still stupid. Because Bob Woodward's in establishment figure and Bob Woodward's purpose in writing this book as they come up with first of all Woodward's got to come up with some salacious thing trump completely screwed up or what's the point of buying his book right? Foot writes a book out. Here's what happened during Colbert's trump did trump did that and now here we are who cares about that book we are coveted the death he's got to come up with something that creates the bombshell. It's the sole purpose for all of these interviews. It's the same thing about why they talk about don't don't ever lie to the FBI don't e- try to avoid talk at the FBI and so on because. The FBI which often can't prove the actual crime they're investigating is just look say. That incriminate yourself during the interview and they'll use that as the as the thing to bring you on. So why did he do it? Now I understand why should I keep saying without ever explaining why he did it just keeps saying that I understand why he did it. I should explain it. I'm enjoying saying I understand plus I have a master radio. that. I'm a master radio. Yes. This is a way of teasing topic and teasing a thought without actually teasing it by saying, Hey, amid I'm to tell you by continuing today out there unless you just bored with the subject who is GonNa. Listen to hear my explanation of why trump did. You should learn these things for me this. What y'all man I don't know. Maybe you have baby you have it. I don't know how would I know what you've learned I don't care if anybody let the audience should learn these things to be. They just. WanNa. Hear why don't they just want to hear it but if I just did it now then they turn off the radio after hearing it, it's the whole the whole point of constructing a program like this. You wonder why there's a thing radio that we have called TESL TSL's. That's listening and the way that you stretch that out is to do cut of what I do here. It's one of the many many reasons why I just made the decision that. Caller driven talk radio which everybody was doing it kind of. In this era facebook and twitter and everybody posting their thoughts that. A need to go in a different direction with by program. Anyway. I understand why trump get it because I did the same thing. I still think it's the dumbest thing. I've done in my thirty years thirty one years of doing this show here. Of course, you know what it is because it's the same thing. It's it's Steph told the story a million times on the air. I agreed to be interviewed by Meg Kissinger. It's the same thing. It was the same thing. Now I'M GONNA explain my thought process which was brought. Just, as I explained what the thought processes of the people that pushed trump to do it was which was right but there's always a rationale behind I mean unless you're just a moron even when you do something stupid you had some good reasons doing the stupid thing. I'll uses it example I love. Football analogies have you picked up on that I love put policies. What's the stupidest play call the history of the NFL? Oh come on. This is the easiest question I've ever asked. Stupid play call the soup no the most stupid. No the most specific play call at actual play the but you've got it. It's it's. Pete Carol P Carol other one year led to the Super Bowl when marshawn interest is running rates at the gutter the Patriots. Too, I throw the ball over the middle at first goal in the what right into the middle of the pack, rather rutted into the end zone and win the game. There was in that stupid decision by Carol. Some. Logic and the logic was A. They're not expecting the pass now again, this outweighed by all the reasons that do it but they certainly would not be expecting to pass a be new. England was not stopping the run. So they you know they were what do they call that clog the middle what's that term and you put on your guys defense right in the middle of the line. It well, it was something else at the box. Anyway they stopped the by the there were set up to do that. So he figured with everybody had allied. All I'd have to do is just it's just gotTa be stealing candy from baby to a little. Little kind of jump, pass it it over. That's what his thought process was. Now, the downside of they aren't stopping your blood at the past play wristy something could go wrong and it's I style on your to stop the clock and an incomplete pass. If you have to throw the ball away or something a million reasons that to do it, and the biggest one of course is, hey, you know somebody might actually reach up an intercept the damn thing. But he had some logic behind it. At what I agreed to be? Meg Kissinger I had some logic beheaded. Here was my logic and I'm telling this because this is exactly what happened to Donald Trump. May get the time was the gossip COBB I. Don't think she was anywhere. But for for several years, she was the gossip columnist for the Journal. And for whatever reason. She was always trash should be in this column. I think I know I, don't. Makes explain why she hated me but I think I know why she hated me. Early on in megs column this is very early this is back in the nineties, but in my early time period here. I was always had this kind of. Bug Up my about how the media made such a big deal about right Miller. You recall when I came in here I got hand side that poetry of them that Bob Reitman did back in the sixties have played that thing on the air because of drove him crazy and I just. Came here and With sort of what the fresh is, what I came into the Milwaukee market and. At the time that I got here. I know that this story is log and I know that it's filled aggressions but it's kind of interesting. It'd help helps explain the trump situation. I got to walk with fresh eyes. There were at the time recall I got here at eighty died that was Go near the Gloria but walkie radio their word. Epic people on the. Air. In this market Larry, the legend was still here tm J. still had. Jonathan Gusts. Gordon and their whole team. Some of the morning show people that are still around now were already major stars Bob and Brian. David. Carol Carol was still with Dave obviously over a KTI. Their zillions of Baked Bob Berry was working. I think okay. Why have still at Tom College Joe Dorsey on their the dead. We they're huge names. That were in the Milwaukee Market at the time in terms of Radio I. Mean you go back and look at I. If you look whoever the thirty biggest radio stars, Milwaukee history where I bet half I'd the air at that time when I got here at eighty nine in other words, the people that were on the tail end we're still here and the people that were forthcoming and emerging as being the stars of the next Thirty Years Bob. Brian David Carroll me a few others. Were overlapping with them. So I got here with all of this talent that was on the air in Milwaukee, and it was one of the reasons why WBZ newsradio is not doing that. Well, you know we're on the air we didn't have any real sports and rep against pm Jay and his music stations and so on and they hired me because they were hoping somebody kind of shake things up and salvage sation. So forth and so on and they came here with all this talented was out here and Pick up the paper I'm watching TV at the you read Milwaukee bag is eating out of all these people. The only one that was ever written about was reitman and Miller, right but in right. Is this. I was I don't know if I was in Madison or Springfield at the time remember when they dropped that not the beanie babies. What was the thing? They did that cabbage patch kids right. But announced that he was going to drop some cabbage patch kids over over county stadium it was affecting and some people were dumb enough to it was a cabbage patch kids or beatty davies it was some collective. Politics the cabbage patch kits. I just a dumb thing. It's not like eighty, five, billion people shut up I'd be national attention for that dumb thing if. Everybody. Does stuff like this on the radio in then. This right. Okay, now megahertz calub. I swear every other day she'd have in her gossip column the Wacky thing that. Show. What's this now I'm thinking. Oh years a buyer right minute really today. This is what the and. She goes up the little stuff at this development Villa Reitman Miller. Well I found out. Kissinger working for. Miller she's being paid by them. She was paid come on their show like the week or something and they paid her. So at the very same time that meg was getting paid by but and militia was plugging them in her column. I think that's a conflict of interest and I pointed out on my show. I think that's why she hated me. Other than that I don't think I ever get anything to beg. But I pointed that out. And after pointing that out, she started you know. What obnoxious story on me after another after another after another after another after another after another after another after another and as I've said the problem that people who write you know tried to gossip about be behaviors I'm so unbelievably boring. It's there's a general lack of dirt out there because I don't do a damn thing. That's a good thing. Rather than a bad thing. It's good that I don't live a very colorful life. What's the most colorful thing about my life? There's nothing. That that's That's my point. Okay. The cruise. By the way you've been hearing the commercial, the cruiser doing next year is the last one I'm doing I'm not explained that in depth but. You the PROMOS that and. So forth and so what okay that? Wow Okay Paul. Wow that's that's a mark. belling does a cruise I unless you do if you didn't know who I was, you'd say so what he does a crows. You see my point here. You almost anybody else radio. You're going to get like cocaine five ex wives or some sex scandal or any number of goofball things that have child support out the. WAZOO, would it Or? My horse race say that's Paul, you should see it my horse. Okay. I I'll go to not be at I, read it a racing form and I walk up punch in a ticket I've either somebody watched me for three minutes they'd be they'd be called does okay I or I own resources. I. Okay. That that again. That's like up there with somebody having like a nice boat down McKinley Marina. In other words, I got nothing. No interesting thing about the. Off a cool car, Paul. Thanks you see you realize what bottom of the barrel you're scraping here again but I say a colorful lifestyle I almost everybody has like dirt and scandal just. I'm to get on like some people say I doubted a Barstool at victor's they always figure that that's the best they have and you don't your I'm sitting at firestone drink cry what D- do It's like in there and there's like five women hanging all over me and I've drunk and passing out and you know you're you know. Big Walk it up to like fat women and ask it of the dancer or like there's nothing. Yeah, the lives of Coca, the bathroom, all the things that you hear about all these other people that radio I've. So. Anyway Meg was trying to come up I, know some of you. Hear the explanation of why Donald Trump talked about. Woodward everything in its time. Every time. was a gallo no wine before its time wasn't that the Gallo commercial. I'm probably GONNA be corrected on this but I, BET, I've right I think Orson Welles read that. I think Orson Welles said was the Gallo spokesperson said no wide before his time? It might accept it might have been Palmisano that I think of it. I do this just the people call it bothered Paul with their theories as to what, why company what wine company don't Google it I think that's just I'm so tired of people googling and looking everything I've I just bawled again we're having an argument about something that happened sports wanted to Google it takes all the fun out of it. Yeah, but it was was it I know Palmisano Gallo. Gallo what I See I would rather just not know take about it I mean we don't have to know the everybody's so anal retentive getting to the bottom of things you want to argue about something that happened sports, look it up. You just say okay. Now you've looked it up and there goes the fifteen minute argument the avid you're sitting there doing. So. Meg. was always trying to come up with dirt on me and always should be in the column and she was ripping me all the time. Years go by. She isn't doing this column anymore. The Journal Hey, come up with this idea of doing. These profiles where reporter would take someone to lunch and write a profile of them based on the interview that occurred at. Lunch. Mega contacts me I don't even know if there is email then she probably called the up. Tall is not the same thing say out out at the Fisher House the Fisher House I know is a huge part of recovery for somebody like my husband for them to know that their family members are being taken care of that's a huge burden off of them so they can concentrate on their therapies. Just having that assurance that no matter what as long as we were there, for Anson that someone would be there to take care of us. It took so much weight off our shoulders. How can you help go to fisherhouse? Dot Org. have. 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They're gonNA make you look into getaway plus I knew gated me so you're wondering why in the world you possibly have been stupid enough to do this and obviously it was unbelievably stupid to do here is my thought. Now, you want to hear by thought on this I've explained it a couple of times in the past. I, always as you know, what do I always do put myself in the other guy's shoes. I put myself in make shoes. And I'm thinking everybody will expect meg. To write a story about what a jerk I because everybody knows. She hates me. So in order for me to actually write something interesting, she's going to take a different angle and might actually be open minded about the story because then people will say has a pretty interesting story that make Kissinger wrote about I didn't know this I didn't know that and I'm surprised that she was kind of even handed at it. In other words, I figured she would throw a curveball because everybody's read her ninety seven times writing story trashing it will be interesting about that so I thought that there was a Chad's. It. Actually a pretty good chance that this might not be a bad story and Give her the fact that there isn't any actual dirt to throughout the. She writes the story at Yeah it was I mean. Just imagine like. What are those Veggie Matic commercials and K tell us to run in the nineties or slice and dice it I'm like the onion that they bring them mashing shed Cape Chair shredded cut up. You know by the time you're done with the onion I mean, the wrapper is off of. What I was going into that thing was a head of cabbage and it was over with I was Coleslaw she just slaves me up Arab is just this is how it started. The was Katie's fighter. She writes this is how she writes her story. I drive up to his Katie Steiner and I see an organ truck out front. I guess I know he okay. billings already here Oh. My God. So I mean it was just the told the thing. In other words, there was a rat, the building. The trout's. And just rip me apart. Edit know was you know he's this at the added I? And after the thing came out. I. Acknowledged that. It was about the dumbest thing that I ever did everyone of you gotTa Riddick Bach ridiculed for being stupid enough to do the dog. Thank and most people just rolled their eyes because it was just an overlay written. You know ripping the guy without having any actual contacts for ripping him. But my thought was is that because everybody expected that it would be a rep east that would be a reason for her not to write a rep. he said that's what I think happened with trump I think troub-. Felt. that. Woodward's curve. Ball. would be perhaps write the book in which. Trump and his administration come office having deftly handled. The covid situation where he tried to keep the country for making the mistakes that New, York mayor, New York ended up having a terrible outbreak because they didn't know enough to shut down the subways, the main point of transmission and because Andrew Cuomo ordered all the cold that patients into the nursing homes creating massive death of elderly there that this was not replicated across the country because trump. Tried to handle. This thing is definitely as possible that he shut down the border and especially shutdown China, which is where the thing was coming from as early as he possibly could on the other hand, he tried very hard turn the country into a total panic they tried to be transparent everyday. They'd have those advisories it brick said. FAO FAUCI, and so I did that. Trump actually thought by cooperating and by say, okay, come in and I'll answer any question that you have this that and the other thing that he thought perhaps Woodward rather than writing the book everybody expects the book that would right trump did something wrong during this and that's because that's it been always does and I think trump thought by being open and transparent and feelings though he had nothing to hide because he's happy with the way his the handle this, but just cooperating and being reasonable with them that that would be the best way to go at it would like throw his own ball. And write the book that would be surprising, which would be an even-handed treatment. The handling of all of this well Bob Woodward doesn't have the capability even if the book is more interested, write a book that way just as Meg Kissinger did not have the capability of writing a fair-minded profile, which means trump was stupid to do the every with Bob Woodward Justice I was stupid to do with Meg Kissinger but as the case May Kissinger, the was a rationale behind by decision it just was should have been outweighed by all the reasons not to do it in other words I made a bad decision. It wasn't an end of the World Decision Pete Carroll Costas team a super bowl by throwing the ball right over the middle at I thought after they had been running down the gullet. It's not like you know make didn't have any actual just she just did a story that was critical Abi and the Woodward piece here with regard to trump and this, there's not gonna be any legs on. This is just another one of these. Things were four days. Everybody goes crazy about it, and then they'll bring up some other things some interview from trump from two thousand eleven. Her somebody does this if somebody does that or some other thing, we're not even in October, there's going to be fourteen October surprises. It's just the cold cumulus thing out there. But in the end I, think most people understand that donald trump did not want to create a panic in the country. If he underplayed this and I still believe the original take of underplaying. The correct take while Kobe is see the thing with is serious or not. That word is such a hard word defied. There are things that are quote serious. That are not. Fundamental crises that. The war that Britain had with the Falkland Islands serious, but it wasn't World War Two if you know what I'm saying and The Kovic situation is not something that was going to cost twenty five to thirty million Americans to die. But it certainly is a health situation in which people did die and was going to have some severity to it in the same way that other outbreaks that we've had the past head. So as you know I think trump has handled this from the beginning just fine with a couple of things that I would disagree with but I think that he's handled this just really fine. But in terms of why he did it and why he gave Woodward, the ammunition here trump can't deny that he said it would retain the end of his everybody knows that trump made the comment that he did and trump's people and trump are going to try to explain what his thinking was throughout this and I think that his explanation will be good but it'll turn into the attack piece of the people that are just looking for anything to rip on trump we'll do it so. He should not have spoken to trump but that's why. He did it and I'm sure he regrets it and I'm sure he's say I've never again going to be dumb enough to talk to Bob Woodward that these people are out there. They're not fair. They don't have the. You know yet Eddie thought that I had that he'd be fair for be because that might make him. Look good is just they don't care about looking good. They just care about beating. They're just the establishment is obsessed with getting rid of Donald Trump which leads to my next stop it. Why didn't you stop me from that? Made his insurance review. I probably didn't tell you about it I. I generally don't tell anybody. Well Yeah I mean. They took the picture outside and by the picture wasn't bad. I mean the only thing bad about it was she wrote it everybody's reaction. It was like she'd write this story with this veteran, but there was nothing to back up the venom in other words. Okay. He's a monster, but then you're looking for the paragraph that explains the monstrous thing about me and there's just not that there other. You're right. They still have that. Let's say after the actual photos you. Go over to the German. Hey, you guys WanNa. Take Picture. They still ride that photo that photos thirty years old they still run that. Well I what do you? We Pathetic I. If they cut passing if they want to let people think I still look like that I'm perfectly fine with it. Why would I be against that? The question being beg here. There is. And it's even greater than I thought I always acknowledged when I read something wrong. I certainly have known That the establishment. Despises. Donald. Trump and is threatened by him and desperately wants him out. But even I am surprised. At the depths they are willing to go to I shared with the audience by the way, people keep sending me the story I actually put out there myself. It's been on DOT com. Check the website you people Guy. Is with a couple of tanks including the Claremont Institution has written piece in which he's predicting that there's literally going to be a coup after the election that if trump wins the vote. That the Democrats are going to try to bring the thing ended the courts. Get, a favorable court ruling ruling that Biden actually one has all late ballots come in and. That, they are already putting in place the mechanisms to use the military to force trump to leave office. It seems extreme. Except after all the things that we've seen in twenty twenty nothing seems to extreme nothing seems unthinkable at the ball but. If the election is one that's going to be decided by John Roberts which many people believe that it will be that it's going to go to the Supreme Court John Roberts is the decisive vote I have zero confidence to John Roberts would. Even if the law lot and the facts back am up side with Donald Trump because I believe that Roberts has demonstrated that he's a figure of the establishment and it's clear that the establishment. Is Willing to do. Anything. To get RID OF DONALD TRUMP. Got Me to think he something I do from time to time. Thank. Why are they so threatened by him. because. After all on its face. If, you step back and take a broad look at the trump presidency. He's Generally in terms of his government. Within the mainstream of American political thought. There are a number of issues in which many Republicans are more conservative at least by traditional standards that Donald Troub-. The positions that he's taken. Until he became president positions that many Democrats shared. As an example. Trump's position on trade and China has been very civil at Bernie Sanders position and trade in China Birdie. What admit that? But Bernie Sanders and the people on the left wing of the Democratic Party have been objecting. To America do a trade deals that allows businesses to outsource production to third world countries and China and then come in and dump those products in the United States costing American, workers their jobs. That's been more so than a Republican issue, a leftist issue. Trump takes. Most Republicans. Didn't have that sense in some still disagree with trump and his China bashing and his carrying up of some of the trade deals that we have. Trump. Has Been Very. Critical. Of, America's entanglement in some of these Ford wars especially of the Middle East. and. He's been very critical of the about of money that we spend on defense spending for NATO. Leftist issues. To trump became president who was always objected to us sending the military the middle as some not all but some liberals. Not the Clinton GonNA party but offer add stuff at Barack Obama's the guy that escalated the war in Afghanistan. But by and large the people that are for all my life, the people that are marching against wars tend to be left. He's right and say we shouldn't be involved in this shouldn't be involved that no blood for oil etc etc etc.. Again that's trump positioned. So it's within the mainstream but if anything it is a position that I could be described as. More Liberals would have held than conservatives. I think again trump has been demonstrated to abend correct on that issue. I supported the Bush Doctrine. In, the Middle East and. I still believe getting rid of Saddam was the right thing to do. I just don't think that we should have been so doggone obsessed with fixing the entire middle, east? I think we should have gotten rid of Saddam and his part of the deal established a military base over there and then been done with the damn thing. But. Maybe but that? The point that I make is again, I'm that issue a major priority of trump. His position is one that liberals. Would have tended to support on the other things that he's done is administration tax cuts well. Mainstream conservative position virtually every American conservative support tax cuts. It's not something that came out a right wing Louisville or anything. Eliminated government regulations regulations of this again, a mainstream position that ninety five percent of American conservative support. Liberals may not like it but again, it's not any kind of an extremist type position said, well, what about the border immigration? Well, until a few years ago trump's position at the border is the same position that everybody had we've played so many times the cut Bill Clinton from the nineties talking about the enforcement of the border. Bernie Sanders in two thousand and and and and what your it of. The two thousand, sixteen percent. Of course, you have to have a border. This notion that anybody can come and we're not enforcing anything. That's a brand new notion brock. Obama had his detention camps at the border as though. They can say, well, trump was taking a more extreme position and tried to build the wall. Well, not everybody agreed with it. But again, lots of people hold that position that we should have a wall. It's again not this. Way Out of nowhere position. I don't think anyone would say, for example, that Donald Trump is more conservative than Ted Cruz. They would differ on some issues some issues crews ap more traditionally conservative on others. Trump would be more of a highlight of it. Remember Ted Cruz is the guy who essentially finished second to the Republican nomination. The last three to be standing other than trump Cruz Rubio Casey Rubio eventually bowed out case which I think is still radic. John case is still bitter and whining and crying and complaining the Poipet Daycare and I could go through all the other things is. Donald Trump's stands on the issues. While his own style it is on take different from some Republican some is so odd. They're certainly within the mainstream of American. Contemporary Political. Thought. Their Nettie radical about Eddie of them. What some of them were were deferent. particularly. Well. We're going to stop carrying NATO's water and so on. bought. It's that by Eddie means three best position. So. What are the bonkers about him for? Well. It's not the tweeting and it's not the fact that he criticizes the media. I'm talking about these. Really really the you know the so called. Deep. State. The real powerbrokers the reason that? The FBI was willing to try to frame trump. With the steele dossier and creating the excuse. To pretend that there was Russia collusion. The reason that. So many of the big giant tech companies desperately to have out. The need that somebody on the left now feel to silence conservative speech because they don't want to do anything about allow trump and his supporters to be able to communicate. What is it about trump that they? So deeply theme seems threatened by. Remember this but presidents. Ever, since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Stated Office until they finally croaked. You can't serve more than two terms. They changed the constitution because of Roosevelt BEF- When we put a constitutional amendment. The constitution now says you can't save the two terms as it adds. It was because people were mortified the Franklin Roosevelt kept shouting at wedding. And Roy had Roosevelt died baby Roosevelt at at two, hundred, fifty, still the president who knows. So as scenario for the establishment figures is Donald Trump's the president until January of twenty five worse case scenario, right? The beauty of the American system is. You can get rid of people that you don't like and. With term limits for President with the presidency is one of the few major jobs in this country that is term limited. No particular president anymore can serve a long period of time, Taivon? Even though there wasn't a limitation prior to Roosevelt prior to the Franklin Roosevelt, no president had ever served for the two terms. Eight years has been the Max Prior to Roosevelt he's the guy that ever that he. So what are we so frayed with over particularly given the fact that trump hasn't done anything expect a particularly radical or threatening dad at prior to the Kobe thing that was coming down America was doing just fight as a country why? Are they so wigged out over here. Well I. Believe I know the answer? If I didn't believe I knew the answer why I bring this up as a topic. Hotel not the same thing I've seen out at the Fisher House the Fisher House I know is a huge part of land recovery. For somebody like my husband for them to know that, their family members are being taken care of that's a huge burden off of them so they can concentrate on their therapies. Just having that assurance that no matter what as long as we were there for Anson that someone would be there to take care of us. It took so much weight off our shoulders. How can you help go to fisherhouse Dot Org? have. You inherited luxury items like the Jewelry Diamond Rings golder coins that you want to sell if so call Samuelsen's to schedule your one on one consultation. Samuelsson's understands that choosing to sell your items is a personal choice. They provide safe private and clean environment to meet with you and evaluate your items and with the price of bold and other precious metals at an all time high now is the time to sell Paul Samuelson today at three Oh one, two, three, four, seven, zero, two, five, or visit Samuelsson's buyers dot COM samuelsen's sell with competence. A. 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It was such a big deal that the. That came out anyway. This segment is about Dwight Eisenhower Yay. Just said we're GONNA talk about why they hate trump. Why? I'm a little person. I think be a good talk show host you have to because if you can't analyze things figure things out and you can't get people to take, they might not get somewhere else. What's the point of anybody tuning in the listen to them? So I bet probing this because clearly the venom directed at trump. Especially, if indeed, they are willing to use the military to get him out of office, they're open to this notion of just the whole saving. This thing that we're going to have with the mail in vote we are set up for. An enormous constitutional crisis, it's just to happen trump is going to win the popular vote. He's going to win the electoral vote. These ballots are going to come in. After the fact, people are going to go to the courts and they're gonNA get two boxes of ballots that nobody else came from it. They're gonNA people demanding that they be counted all this crap is going to happen. And trump is warning people about the mail in balloting forever. Show hosts like me of been warning about the mail in balloting forever and it's not dotting on. Most conservatives how bad this problem is going to be at how easily fraud can be committed after the fact with mail in ballots it, it's all going to be balloted. Start showing up five days after the election that some court is going to say, you have to count without regard to what the law states. Anyway. If they're willing to do all of those things. It indicates just a level of obsession with trump that. Things have happened trump that have not happen to any president before you could say that they. Hyped up the charges against Nixon that Watergate in the ED wasn't that serious people can debate that one way or another I think it was serious. But to have the FBI try to frame. President. To have the mother investigation for two and a half years pursue something that new didn't exist. To. Literally, tank at economy by overreacting Dacoven at. Killing your own setis. All I think just roots in this the way they despise trump and I'm not talking here the media and I'm not talking about some guy who lives down the street for view. I mean what we've been referring to as deep state the really really powerful permanent establishment governing class at Washington and elsewhere. What it comes down to two things about trump that threatened them. I mentioned a moment ago Dwight Eisenhower. It's unfortunate that history has become a politicized thing that kids are taught actual history because American history fascinating and the Eisenhower period fascinating. One of the greatest TV shows ever add. When I watched that the second time I realized that Madman was a great TV show I watched it. You know when you watch your show for the first time around, it takes nine years because this was not a What do. You couldn't binge, watch Netflix Madman when it came out because there'd be a season and you'd have to wait a year for season two and so forth and so on and you can binge watch it now. But when people who watch that when it actually came out, it took years to go to the series that you've watched show one week, and then another would've beyond a week later they didn't have it all released to download on one day the way the stuff is done. Now netflix was by the back then I should say we set in the nineteen sixties, but it was all about reacting to how America was rebelling from the period of the fifties, which is the time that Eisenhower was the president, the most famous speech, Dwight Eisenhower ever game remember icenhower. It never been involved in politics when he ran for president. He was the General Haram the European operation in World War Two. and Use that as the logic pad to seven years after the war run for president of what? He's one of the few American presidents he fits into the category of trump who came into the presidency without having been involved in politics prior to that. Eisenhower gave a very, very famous speech. It's his most famous at it's one of the most famous presidential speeches of all time. In which he warned of the military industrial complex. It was unusual that Eisenhower would give that speech because. I came out of the military. I and he was. Top. Major General. That'll be major general in terms of that was his rank. He's a big time general. He's a big deal trump personified the military. There are three or four generals that caillebotte world. War. Two. That just became epic figures Omar Bradley Macarthur. Eisenhower Etc. Patent. He warned the nation. Of this growing linkage between the military. And giant industry. And he warned of the implications of it. Until the last few years, I never knew what I. was talking about. Okay, we have. We have defense contractors. If you're, GONNA have a military somebody's got to build tanks. Somebody's got to build aircraft aircraft. So what? What is it? How are I think was trying to tell us Is, that for the industrial complex, it depends on military spending they were always going to have to push for more military spending otherwise, how do they make money? They make the stuff that the military buys and therefore our public policy is going to be driven by what's good for those corporations. It was kind of left thing for when you think about it Eisenhower to ward against. But our politics a little reversed back. Then in terms of it was the Democrats with a war party, they the Party of the presided over World War Two of the the party that got us into Vietnam if anything there was more isolation isn't from the Republicans they were. warned about that. Now let's go to now. Trump threatens. What had become the general American status quo of both parties with regard to the use of the military. Trump doesn't believe in fighting all these wars. He doesn't believe that we ought to be bygones the tanks and equipment for Dato. You understand how much of the so-called deep state is so ingrained in that type of. Globalism. The giant multinational corporations that old term, the new world order that Bush came up with. There are people who deeply believe in this notion that and I'm not talking like a conspiratorial is there. I'm just honestly assessing the situation who believed that we have to have some senior nations governing and maintaining control and order of the world that they want that to be the United States and some of the people who believe this is the people who make money off of it. It's not been the issue that's gotten a lot of attention but trump a get it again, and again has made it clear that he does not want to just. Pulling more troops out of Iraq. He's not for this and he's in particular not for US bankrolling per he doesn't believe we ought to be protecting Japan and be when Japan is too cheap to put in its own military Japan still doesn't have nuclear weapons. The defense that Japan has against China is. In. Japan why are we defending to? Be. Our ally. But why are we paying them now seventy five years after the World War Two's over. This position threatens. All the policymakers think tank people giant corporations benefit off of government defend remember defense spending isn't just a tank. It's these computer systems, information systems, the NAB systems you know off never all of that stuff. Second issue. There's an issue out there and I'm GonNa give it the after become up the break and I want you to think about during the break I used the break sometimes to make a lot of good faith. Does it other giant. Issue would public policy issue. by-in-large. Both political parties have been on the same. The same general area odd. And trump's broken ranks with them. It's not the hardest question, but think about it during the break it's four three news talk eleven thirty wins. Eleven thirty I S ad Mark belling made after the show. We've been discussing. Just. What is it about Donald Trump? The creates this data you need. By. Really. The permanent governing class. It's been called deep stayed the swamp. That kind of linkage that goes from George Soros. Through Warren Buffett. To the lifers in the Justice Department and the CIA, and the State Department. Heads some of the big multinational corporations. This loathing that they have. For Donald Trump at the willingness that they've shown to do literally anything to get rid of him. because. Most of his policy positions. I within the mainstream of American thought I've mentioned first of all the one. Trump is one of the few presidents really since. Eisenhower. Who seems to? Think maybe we're spending way too much money. On equipment and Jong protect the rest of the world that doesn't have anything to do with the United States. Well, that's fortune that's being bad and it's also a fortune and influence. That we're involved in think of. How much money Hunter Biden made off one tiny little country, the Ukraine. When they got their beacon involved that. Half of the United States being involved everywhere creates opportunity for. A. Lot of people but their noses in and make money off of it. What's the other issue? There's another other issue it. It's the what I t's going into the break where. There's A. Political issue that we have out there that pretty much leaders of both parties have been on the same general page for decades. And trump's on a completely different page and that's China. Republicans or Democrats. have gradually. Sucked up and cozied up and made stronger our relationship with China ever since. Dixon and as Nixon's one of the worst presidents in American history I think some Republicans overrated. Nixon was the guy that. Pursue detente with the Soviet Union. Guaranteeing that we'd have years more of the Cold War which Russia was wedding until Ronald Reagan came ended reverse it. And it was Nixon. They didn't produce that cancer onto the planet, China by welcoming them into the civilized world. With the same naievety. But I think George W Bush had and believing that if you bring some of these nations. Shadows into the civilized world they have to conform themselves and behave properly that in worked with any other nations that Bush tried to deal with it has not worked with China China has not changed or modified its behavior at all. Four sterilizations banning of religions. Really. Well, you know it's good that they're going to get Hong. Kong because Hong Kong's jewel the world air cut a mess that up. They're going to keep the freedoms that are in place in Hong Yeah. Right? I understand a lot of people thought that you know that notion made sense that if they want to be part of the civilized world, they got to behave civilized that made sense but we've now watch for fifty years exactly how this plays how China is a monstrously immoral nation. But both political parties have pursued this relationship with it because there are a lot of things that at least in the short intermediate term and the American interest. China isn't just a source of cheap labor. It's got one point three billion people that are growing middle class. That's a lot of individuals at a lot of buying power for all sorts of businesses to deal with. For Manufacturers. The cost of making a product in this country is very, very high. Well, let's make everything over there in China. then. The banking relationships the long-term prayed implications. There's just so much that's moved back and forth between here. And China. Trump comes in and he had this though she knew he had these ideas that some people thought odd before he ran for president. The China was this big problem that we can't just have our country outsource to China that China was getting involved had its tentacles everywhere. Pro Quo entity why did he get screwed on trade? and. I've argued this forever at chain of never doesn't we want but we don't know we never stand up to them because we WANNA maintain this trading relationship whether because it's good for American business whether it's good for America business or not China is doing things that are in the long term not good best interest of the United States including Bankrolling Korea. Trump gets in look China needs us more than we need them I'm GonNa cut a better deal. than the virus comes along. Because China, China's mess it around with viruses in the lab at Wuhan, which I still think is what happened. I don't think it was a deliberate release but I think that they're messing around with viruses to see what they can do with them. and. What of gets out of their? Bunch of Chinese get sick of China doesn't want to let on how many people get sick over there and they don't really care because they got one point, three, billion people they can lose some but the thing starts filtering over to the United States and trump identifies the problem here and says, look this thing came from China and tries to cut things off of China and has been pounding on China ever sets. This bothers a lot of powerful people for whom the relationship with China is a critical thing. These again, one world government types they want the United States and China, and all these other sort of get together put your heads together kind of micromanage the world. This truth to that without being conspiratorial Wacko? There are people who believe that. In addition to that, there are so many businesses. In. Which China is essentially the guts of their operation Nike might be based in Oregon but Nike is a Chinese company. There's nobody making Nike shows and Nashville Tennessee. So monstrously huge company that is entirely dependent on all of its products being made in China and a huge percentage being sold in. China. China uses American sports figures. As the brand identity of essentially a Chinese company. Wanted the things that trump deserves an incredible amount of credit for is this. China is one of those issues that he could have easily left a load. Why mess with this, it's not worth the crap I'm going to have to I'm GONNA get for dealing with it. He decided because he believed for other people Donald Trump as believe in any the donald trump just loves himself. Donald trump deeply believes the Chinese thing is a problem because if he didn't, he wouldn't et picking this fight because it's been nothing but trouble for him all this crap he's getting this is being driven I think by China, and the people who have a vested interest in ed maintaining our cozy relationship with China. Look at the number of hotels in the United States that have been built with Chinese buddy I forget the name of the visa program where they got this deal where you get skins a twenty twenty-five Chinese people can come into the United States on visas. If you invest a certain amount of American real estate project, it's one of those H. programs. So why did and again it's not the worst thing in the world. If China has all this money, we'd rather have them investigated the United States that investigate in France, right? and. If we get these hotels because there's capital, you know that capital is now in the United States, it's a good thing as opposed to US building all these factories in China, and it's not the end of the world of China that's putting of the United States and improving our economy but. You start nested with that edit affects the people who had access to that. Chinese capital. Trump's messing with all that. and. A lot of people don't like it. They're deeply threatened by it. Trump believes that China is ben todd world domination and soon why? Trump believes the China is trampling all over the United States and it's not respecting American sovereignty and is not respecting. Really The goodness great dissertation that we're being taken advantage of here. He's right. But. I. Think Those Two Issues The downsizing of the American military footprint so that we're not out there putting American lives on the line in American does is on the line to protect the rest of the world, but only to protect our own vital interests and. A reset of the China relationship and what trump is accomplished it's amazing how much he's accomplished. China. In the last three years look at the number of companies that have pulled their manufacture, their product pipeline out of China and making things in the United States or elsewhere the China thing is all screwed up. You know that there could be virus at a China this they ought to China and a number of these companies have just reassessed maybe China's too much trouble for its own good. We've moved a lot of our supply chain out of China trump has gotten all of that Doug. was, the whole thinking Betide, Apple Pressuring Foss Kinda try to build a plant to the United States to the Fox wouldn't be making all this. 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Their dictators they don't believe in God and all of that stuff. But so what they've got, you know we can work with them. They could work with us. We dealt with monsters forever and ever, and it's A valid point of view it's just not my point of view. My point of view has bed. Okay. Fine. China's trade is a force in the world. But if we're GONNA do all this stuff for China China's got start behaving like civilized nation like tell and fat face of North Korea that he can't keep messing around with these nuclear Bob's like if American companies descending products over there to sell don't let the Chinese knock off at rip off our trade rights treat US fairly. I'm not probably extremist trump is on this but I think the trump has pulled the scab back and we see how bad that wound that's under the SCAB is from China. Messing around with viruses lion of the world about how many people It's evil nation. It's evil to the core and it's evil has infected us and trump has had the guts to take this Obama. Was He he had a great relationship with China Soda W Bush every political party that goes back Reagan didn't do anything with it to China. Big Look Bill Clinton was the guy that really expanding remember those slugs that he had their down there in Arkansas land deals that were as go between John Wong and Charlie Trie, and all of these sleeves bags that was the early stages of the Bagman bringing the money over from China at you go anywhere in the world and we do our crews just the basic China's got their money here China's got their money. They're the trying to buy up the world because you know there's only so much growth they could do by owning their own country China. They've got their influences everywhere at all this money's a little bit around and if you run the receiving end of the monarchy. You, know Paul, watch his show Ozark. They haven't had a real Chinese action that thing. But again, the Chinese are looking for ways to get their money. Any everywhere trump is messing with that and he's been very successful at that look at the number of companies that have closed their factories in China and are building things in Mexico, the United States or elsewhere. This is freaking out those people who WanNa have chided the United States tied together. So. I think those are the two reasons that the established and despises him. They are not the issues that are on the front burner in terms of public policy but I think that trump's. Trying to not have America be the policeman of the world that he's make made great progress in that four years imagine blake into a second tier. That's the other they. They don't trump in a second term will be unfettered. Would trump does have to worry about anything. Short of impeachment. You think the Chinese have had problems that live in the first term imagine the secretary and everybody I think everybody knows that. But this explains I think the depth from this deep state establishment of hate for they have over trump he's just messing with things that it sort of wink wink nod nod both political parties were kind of okay with. and. It's been very courageous. said he's done it. The other things that he's done deregulating the economy? Outstanding. Lowering the tax rates of the car companies had that had elvis cast after stashed overseas brought it home to the United States great thing to do pushing for school choice school vouchers. So that African American children get out of the terribly rotten urban public schools to get a better schools. So we can lower the crime rate and bring affluence to minority communities. Great things all these things have been outstanding stuff, but he's those are all issues that. I generally within the broad mainstream. American. Political ideas the two areas where he has gone off on his own. And is. Really poked into things that neither political party is produced leader that was willing to do it. Bet On this. American military footprint everywhere and on China and the funny thing about it is even though you'll never hear him say it on both of those issues. The only other major figure that we've had in America over the last number of years as we talk about that his Bernie Sanders. So they're not really left to right issues. Their issues about whether or not we are going to allow the desire of some very, very powerful interests to make a ton of money. Trample lover what is in the best interest of the American people? We. Were on that. Sorry several weeks ago which I said I think black Friday is over. I finally found one good thing to come out cove Paul. That's it. that. Killing that Sucker Roth I mean they've been getting out of control when they went in and they started rowing Thanksgiving that was bad enough aside from just. That whole notion of trading the American consumer too. It's an obnoxious thing to tell people you're going to sell a product them at a certain price point. If, you get up at four o'clock in the morning and elbow your fellow man in the. It's you know cope it is the was the Federal Straw? As he pointed out the reality of online purchasing where. It's just as easy to buy some of these things online his edit the whole notion of getting into the store early and so on. Since throughout willing to sell it online at Cetera that's a good thing. Anyway, let's move on here because we've got a very, very important story to share with you at the beginning of the hour here. At the beginning of the segment I guess. The Wisconsin State Supreme Court has just Within the last forty minutes halted the mailing of absentee ballots in Wisconsin. The issue here is one that I have covered in two separate segments this week. At has to do with ballot access by the Green Party Kanye West. For, those of you who weren't listening yesterday's program I, said that some people might find the issue boring. been going on with the Wisconsin Election Commission. and. How the staff of the Election Commission of the Democrats are trying to steal the presidential election for Joe. Biden, by not allowing any third party liberal candidates to be on the ballot. Mega Wolf who is the Executive Director of the Commission? Said Look you can't have a court ruling saying that you've got to put the Green Party on the ballot and you gotta put Tanya West of the ballot because we've got the ballots are being mailed out right now you can't election in which some people's names are and other people are not. If we made a lot of ballots, somebody's GonNa Saturday, you can't have that ballot out there. We've already made a decision. Their names are another ballot. The State Supreme Court today blocked any mailing out of ballots until this issue about the Green Party Conde West are resolved. Recognizing some of you don't know what I'm talking about without going through the entire background that we did on yesterday's program I brought myself fully up to speed on the Green Party I talked about the Kanye. Shoe. So, here's the background of the story and. If you give this five minutes of listened the background I. Think you'll find a quite fascinating the Green Party. What's that? It's lefty party. It's a third party. They don't get a lot of votes, but they get no votes. Many people believe that Donald Trump won Wisconsin only because the Green party was on the ballot and sixteen. Donald Trump carried Wisconsin in two thousand, sixteen by Twenty, two, thousand votes. Jill Stein the Green Party candidate for President GOT THIRTY ONE THOUSAND VOTES The Democrats and Hillary Clinton's people believe that all of those people who voted for Jill Stein voted for Hillary had joe signed not on the ballot. The Democrats play hardball. So they just decided we're not GonNa let the Green Party about this time. Kanye West all of a sudden Kanye who is. Seemingly half nuts but also a very fascinating figure. and has developed an alliance with President trump suddenly says he's running for president. Everybody thinks he's doing this to help trump I mean everybody thinks this and he may be he has maybe he is it. The belief is that as a popular African American cultural figure. With Siphon Black votes away from Joe Biden Allot probably not. Let's imagine Kanye. West got five thousand votes. There many people who think that the lecture Wisconsin, it's going to be within the margin of five thousand votes. So the State Election Commission through Kanye off the ballot both Kanye and the Green Party of gone to court to challenge that decision. Now for those of you didn't hear the discussion yesterday. The State Election Commission has a full-time Madison based off they make recommendations to the commission. The commission consists of three Republicans three Democrats unfortunately two of the three Republicans always side with the Election Commission staff. What of them is speaker Voss's designate Dean connotes it. I have encouraged Acre loss to demand his replacement now. I believe that the courts are going to block the two rulings that were made by the election commission meaning that once again, Dean canoed since vote will not only have been one in which he sided with the Democrats but legally indefensible the other Republican is. An old retired county clerk day March, Bassem, who got on there because both parties get to have a retired clerk. Marge is GONNA do whatever Meghan Wealth of the staff tell it to do salivas. Marge gets a coffee refill donate. Pathetic that these are the people that are governing our elections, but it is pathetic and it's also pathetic that state Republican leaders have not done anything to get these two people of that commission because my side has been trampled over anyway. The Green Party says we were wrongly denied the opportunity to be on the presidential ballot. Here was the criteria the election commission us to not let the Green Party candidate be on the ballot. They said the nominating petitions for one of the candidates that you know you when you run. For President. Ulysses your president and vice presidential candidates. One of the people and the Green Party ticket. In her initial filing for office had one listed address in South Carolina, and in the final filing had a different lists that address the election commission said, therefore, the petition is flooded, you get beyond the ballot. Cat is I moved. It's a correctable minor technicality. But the election commission staff said, that's enough not to let the Green Party beyond the ballot. The full commission voted three three they deadlocked when there's a deadlock at means the the staff decision stands the Green Party. The Green Party is furious that the Democrats and the Green Party left he's say look this is just brazenly anti democracy you've got this commission they don't want to said the ballot and they're making crap up to keep us off Kanye West. The deadline to get your nominated petition said was five o'clock on whatever the Monday was few few weeks ago. His lawyer got in at five o'clock in seventeen seconds. That's what the time Sam said. They said she was late by seventeen seconds. In her lawsuit, she has claimed the doors from the office building. The election. Commission is in were locked at four thirty. A. Took her that long to get into the building. I believe the story I believe the doors were locked. Rather than again, benefit of the doubt being toward giving people the opportunity to vote for the candidate of choice election vision voter to throw out the ballot conveniently both presidential third party candidates off the ballot, our candidates that likely would have brain votes from Biden and not trump so. Conyers lawyers are sowing the Green Party is suing in the meantime. We're only a few weeks away from the election and were during the period of time in which ready to start sending out the absentee ballots people say I've gotten my ballots well. You probably got a ballot request. And if you said in a ballot requests, they are beginning the process of starting to mail out the ballots differences ballot requested. Then there's a ballot balance the the market vote on the ballot request is the thing you said in saying, Hey, send me a ballot see the difference. You understand the difference. One would be like a ticket. The other would be the game. You gotta take the ticket. You got to send to the ballot requests and they said you're valid but. How do you have the court ruling whether these could be out if some ballots have already been set out so The State Supreme Court? This afternoon issued an emergency order blocking the mailing of Eddie absentee ballots until. The court rules on whether the Green. Party. And Kanye West should be on the ballot that would mean that that case expedited to the State Supreme Court their names being on the ballot within matter days because we gotta start getting these ballots on I, mean for Heaven's sakes since September eighteenth. or No sorry September the ten but that's still you get my point the. Period of time for mailing the ballots in is to begin very very soon, and we've got these disputes over whether these two candidates should be on the ballot. I think. That the decisions throw both the Green Party off Kanye West off are indefensible and clearly I mean the what. The Kennedy has studio. While she moved from one point to the other end. Apparently that has not you know she's on the ballot and numerous other states with the same situation going on at the thing with. petits coming in seventeen seconds later, the doors I. This is right up to the lefty playbook. If this was a right wing candidate that might have drained votes Donald Trump, I'm just telling you. There's no way that Madison staff would have come up with these these rulings and when you see Republican members of the commission siding with this biased Madison, it's just nauseating to me. My side once again has disenfranchised. Now on the Green Party dispute, the vote was three, three, three Republicans voted to put the Green Party on the ballot the three Democrats voted to keep off the ballot. But because it's three three, that means the staff decision hold. So you do have the recourse of going to court, but if you can't go to court and time for the election words that record. So the State Supreme Court decision today as proper if the commission throw somebody off the ballot and you're only recourse is to go to court, you can't send out the ballots into the courts have ruled on that case. Correct. So that's what's happened today. It's just breaking right now it's a very big story. So there. I do a quiz on this, but there's no way to do the quiz. See if I did it had people call up the only people call up for people who knew that they had it down pat as opposed to be like if I was a teacher. I had a professor in college. I've told the story fourteen times I may have been obsessed with him I don't know. You know which professors were the same. It's the same is true with regard to grade school teachers. High school teachers are coaches which are the ones that you remember. Really. Remember the hard guys. Those are the ones that I that had the greatest influence on May. The soft touch is easy as all of that stuff. I in retrospect I. Didn't learn anywhere near as much as I did from the demanding once. You disagree with that. I thought you meant like the good nicety. Nice ones, I like the kind of hard line. You're good tip off in the good teachers for the ones that were demanding and that's that's what I say. Well. There's this guy that. Pretty sure. There's a guy works at our building who was in the same class that I was in. He he was I. won't name him but. He's he's like Dad I have respect for even though I'm pretty sure he couldn't stand me. You know he t the senior level class that we had was in my major was the probably the only hard class mass communications is not a hard major rabid. Imagine I mean. You're at a TV camera and you're you know you're citing constitutional law and free speech it's not. It's not rocket science, but the the toughest classes, this mass media in modern society, the guy would do the lectures is. He used that. What do you call it when you questions socrates method or whatever they call that thing Socratic method I duNno, he'd be going through the second. Yes. Okay. What about this? What about this? What about this and going through all these things that we had read and challenge you. Add. Here's the way the racket worked in this class. He said Okay such and such about Nazi concentration or whatever. And When people to answer the question would put off their hands if they knew the answer, right? Well this guy. He would hold that call on you if you didn't ever hand up. Because You don't get all this and you're trying to recede into your chair I. It's remarkable how he could just like read your face and kind of tells you didn't know the answer is where he got jollies if you didn't know the answer. If he thought, you didn't know the answer he qualified UC weasel routed scrubber routed to try to make some crap or you know. Do the deal that's the kind of quiz I would like to keep rather than you know, find the people who I think did not properly follow the discussion. I haven't make the answer the question, but given the fact that you're oh theory and Radio Land. I can't do so. So why do why ask the question if everybody's GonNa get it right I get. Correcting the that's why I sometimes ask the question of you because you would get the question. Wrong. They'll find if everybody gets it right is it? All right we will move on again state supreme. Court halting until there can be a ruling on the access to the valid of the Green, party and Kanye West President Ed. It's a big deal as I. Say I mean there isn't anybody who doesn't think trump versus Biden Wisconsin's going to be close and there are the Hillary people just convinced. That the Madison lefties voted for the Green Party May. Donald, trump win Wisconsin last time by taking the way those votes that would have gone to Hillary Clinton and they just don't want any credible third party candidate or anybody with any name recognition on the ballot and. That denial that occurred from the Election Commission as I say on the nit-picky nature of IT I. I think. The Supreme Court is going to put both names back on the ballot but. It in this case, by the way haggard or inside with Bryant Hagadone who's now the swing justice on the court he did side with halting that mailing of the ballots out. But how he falls on the actual decision as to whether the names around the valid again, no one really knows he has freaked out a lot of Wisconsin conservatives who fear that he had it for the Wisconsin version of John Roberts somebody who ran as a conservative. But at best is only a swing is gonNA flop back and forth it's too early to make a permanent decision on that. But how he rules in this case, it'd be a pretty good tip off four, forty, five, news talk seven, thirty W is said. The same thing I seen not at the Fisher. The Fisher House I know is a huge part of land cover for somebody like my husband for them to know that their family members are being taken care. That's a huge burden off of them so they can concentrate on their therapies. Just, having that assurance that no matter what is long as we were there for Anson that someone would be there to take care of us. Took so much weight off our shoulders out. Can you help go to fisherhouse Dot Org? River Hill story I gotTa do all ripper hills. Stories are funny. It's like all elmgrove source son have to be funny, right Well. I be about why Sheboygan wiggins and normal middle class committee I guess referring to Hoity toity up any he kind of suit ivy what is River hills to have a story that isn't going just be cut a goofy if you know what I read, right? I mean th the STOA big a scandal is when A certain basketball players big giant dog eight Mrs Pence Little Fluffy. That when they still get. Up In River Hills, but before we get to that. I want to follow up on the discussion that we were having a yesterday's program. It was based on a couple of colleges that are out there about. The long-term ramifications of covid nineteen in terms of gutting the GIG Academy. Killing off entry level jobs. And so on the big losers. Are Younger people. Even considering the amount of stimulus that's being passed. Which is Whether you're on the right of the left, dramatically adding to the National Dad. What do you care about the national debt? If you're eighty, you might care about because you don't want your children to have a terrible future. But the people that are thirty that are facing surrogate, a country that might potentially have to default or incredibly inflate its currency just to pay its debt. Is a significant issue for them. In other words the point wise. The way we have shuttered everything down and killed off the academy and made these radical changes in society because of COVID. The big losers are millennials people in their twenties and thirties who are going to have to be cleaning up from this mess for the next twenty years yet. I've commented that the people that seem to be the greatest supporters of all the lack of the restrictions I the very millennials and other ones the ones who almost certainly will not get sick. But are paying the price in the lack dowd's yet their support, the common sense obey the. Maybe even a guy like me. Shut down I'm. GonNa Croak. With somebody thirty worried about we're ruining the country for they have ruining their future learning about with that killing off all sorts of industries that they were intended to go in killing the restaurant industry that many of that work in killing the are the performing arts industry that many of them were killing off all the things that they like to go to goes to all this stuff younger people doing all of this much of which will never come back. For something they can't get. As always occurs. Whatever I discuss anything that pertains deals I have heard from ninety, seven, billion millennials. They're very self referential you here in particular for millennials who understand that they're generations Kinda? screwy. I've just got to share one of the many here. It's interesting that they all that heels when they respond ray to log, but it's just part of the millennial thing that very self referential. But as I say, they're generally very well-spoken and one of the things they are is introspective. I won't name him because I don't like to name people, but he writes mark. I'm ready regarding the comments that you made about the average millennial younger generation mindset regarding our current situation I, know from firsthand experience that you aren't fire from the Bullseye. As a twenty, two year old married home order first of all. He's not typically here at all also actually comment at the age of twenty, two people some some people say they're not millennials that generation sees that I what. I just saying that W- SOMEBODY'S GONNA. Come up with the hard and fast rule. They got that because if you google where the data points sites, not everybody agrees that it anyway he's he's just younger. He's not saying how the millennial and other words as a twenty two year old married homeowner working at a skilled trade and investigate a small business. You don't have few people that are twenty two married invested business and working in the trades this like seven of Sopa. Probably everybody's twenty two knows the guy knows exactly who this is because who else is gonNA fit that category. Should. Every repeat the beginning of the sentence for the fifth time as a twenty, two year old married homeowner where can get a skilled trade at investing in a small business? I am seeing as the Weirdo. For not only doing the complete opposite of what I was told by teachers and peers. But having the audacity to question principles. And develop opinions that are recycled from college professors and celebrities like a very good comment by him. Look I'm twenty two and I'm thinking to myself. You didn't understand how I'd that makes me among my peers. For instance. My High School years were viewed as the guy with long hair that plays it abandoned was crazy enough to drive around old cars lacking such safety comforts, airbags, or computers sensors. I. Take Great Pride in my efforts of retro. Revival. Long Collared Western shirts at all. Generally. Speaking in other words, this is an independent thinker offer his generation and he's almost as his badge of honor that he's doing all the. Generally speaking of us. As. Generation. We were always encouraged to steer away from any sort of risks. Now, again, I've made this comment repeatedly and I think it has extra credibility when you get a younger person in his case, twenty, two years old talking about what it's been like being raised in this environment. Steer. Away from arrests we've just commented on the so much that certainly characterized the millennials we don't know if it's good to have the same impact on the generation Z's but I come from the generation which nobody steered be I don't swear nobody steered me away from any risk Fourteen go sneak into a bar and see if somebody will serve you get drunk. Maybe we got yelled at over that but nobody did anything about it. Back, to his thing. Hence the reason why the millennials do not contest any government overreach. Is because they were not generally taught in the schools to think for themselves as you can clearly say excellent observation. There's been no question in your challenging if any of this okay. Put a basket. Okay. We says luck. The generation that I was part of it even the ones all the millennials they were never taught to think for themselves. They were instead given all of these truism savant high it just this is the way it is. Exactly as they're trying to do now, with regard to the black lives matter curriculum, you must not back to his piece. In most cases. Anything outside. Of the concept of adopting left-leaning views attending a four year college and being obsessed with TAC. Is deemed either strange or flat out absurd therefore. When someone tells them that they should do something. They perform the task without hesitation unless it goes against their common ideals in other words somebody says, something they all do it unless it challenges these things that we all think. Of course. There are fellow conservative minds in my age group. But they don't exactly know who to turn to ready reassurance I pointed this out a lot about the need for visibility. I try to advocate your program and the station general but the kind of still see it as an old man way to go for the young conservatives ido there really is no way of banding together to resist the Left. Wing Circus. As for the teenagers, I can agree for the most part about your views on them as well. I've commented that they don't seem to be safety conscious and from what I've seen. Keyed ages they think this whole thing a lot of crap. He points out my window sampling. Today's teenagers is my fifteen year old brother he and a considerable number of his friends find the overreaction. Cova to just ludicrous and the Democratic Party to be quite frankly a load of crap now gets anecdote eleven's at this guy cited he's talking about his brother at his friends but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a large group of people that were twenty nine the thought that this Kobe thing it's all an overreaction that Democrats are a load of crap and he saying it's common among Of My brother is not the ambitious teenager. I was regarding politics, but he developed his opinions mostly at his own by watching those around him. My cousins around his age feel the same way as well. They to feel ostracized for thinking the way they do granted I do not know how far that extends their peers I will say that I am very glad to see that the are breaking away from the norm that instance. And then he thinks program. Again, I got a lot of these, they're all from the same thing they all sort of reinforce. The reason that so many younger people in this millennial age you have just bought into the Kobe thing and bought into the lack dowds and think it's socially irresponsible not to do. All of this stuff is because they have been culture allies to believe that left wing politicians and left-wing experts no better than them and. They don't break away from any kind of packet all and another team that was in here is mark. You've got to understand that my this millennial I got somebody who's that? We have always done things groups in characteristic of them. Everybody knows him about the Milan is always hang together. They don't date they hang out with groups as we do thinks groups so therefore. Nobody really wants to be the odd one out who doesn't do what everyone in the group does if the group has six people in all. At five of them adamantly believe we have to do these lockdowns of the mass of the whole thing if you're not, what if you're not in the group, you don't fit in we don't like well, nobody wants to take. Lots of thoughts as to how that is. The long term consequences the same mistake that all these liberal politicians and so many others Maki is you don't have an endgame for this and. The long term ramifications of the lockdown you have not considered the damage it's being done just ads in the healthcare community. We have not considered all of the health problems that are occurring because we have prioritized Kobe over everything else we have not focused on the increase drug abuse, the mental health issues, the despair that is occurring people's lives we just. Got To stop the, we gotTA stop covert from spreading gotTa Stop Copen spreading not considering that all these other problems that you're creating tried to deal with the one thing that you have. So, perhaps over the harsh and suggesting that somebody is thirty ought to figure out hey, you're the one getting screwed by all of this not necessarily me especially not somebody who's ninety. When We have all of these experts who can understand that they're screwing themselves. Now people who the public health directors do this screw it up the public health trying to control Colbert and you're turning you're you're creating a bunch of drug addicts and people that are involved in depression that have gained thirty five pounds because they're sitting home the crap that comes out of the Pantry, etc.. I still haven't figured out exactly. Do you what's your theory why people had gained gateway during this left out? Is it because they're sitting at home of their board? So they just grab food to eat. The that of depression because I've not had that I've gone the other direction this on the other hand, I'm not locked out at home. I. Still Come to work every day ET. CETERA, ed. I'm no more depressed now that had been every other. Yeah the lack of hope it. All of that you can't nothing to do and so what did I mean I do. I, I know a number of people who apparently say like working at home i. Probably could have rigged up a deal to do by show from I. Just don't want to I mean, why? Why do I want to sit at home? It's easier to do it from here plus if I had said home every day, maybe I would just keep going to the fridge and slapping this started. You know when you're at work, you don't usually. Go into the station kitchen and just much much much. But if you're at home your walk past, there it is. There it is. So that's probably well get a consequence of, let's bad thing. The consequence of doing all of these things that are bad for public health all in the attempt to address the one thing that I don't take they've addressed at all. Still think the best way to deal with it is the let the people are GonNa. Get it, get it and work it through the same way that we have approached every virus like covid in the history of man until this, what and all of these experts say know basketball like I say, why didn't you come up with that approach? In two thousand nine when we had a outbreak of the flu that was very, very similar to call it why we? Get a lot of people keep going back to the fact that the worst flu that we've had in the last seventy five years is the Hong Kong flu and we let we let Woodstock go on to the middle of that thing and nobody seemed to think that there is any sort of issue. But when you're talking about fifty years ago, you may as well talk about fifty million years ago. That's how much our society has changed. I mean I, Marvel over the fact that seventy five years ago we could have had. A country that was willing to accept hundreds of thousands of people dying in World War Two and have accepted. As bodacious military strategy as invading the European mainland from C. knowing that we were. JUST GONNA kill off most of those people. I mean the thing when people go and do the. Normandy tours the tours and so on. They all come back and say the same thing I'm blown away by all those headstones. Realizing all of those are all people that died because we just decided that we were going to let the first few waves of boats in the first few paratroopers be cannon fodder let most of them get. That somewhat breakthrough at eventually we'd have so much that we would overpower the Germans, but we're to let the first wave of mostly get killed. I mean this country. That Now We can't accept the notion that. A few people might get sick. From this virus. We're completely different society in a different Culture Ed. The notion of safety and the avoidance of death at all costs which driving this when I say at all costs, those costs. are creating all sorts of other problems, public health, societal economic mental health. That I contend are worse news talk seven, thirty, W I S ad mark belling late afternoon show. I said Added River Hills story for you for those of you who are not from southeastern Wisconsin River hills is like the all the bunny suburb technically in Milwaukee. County Salvador sharp out of the lake as far north. As you can go the go any farther north you're going to be quad. Imagine where I forty three is now the west of I forty three. Between. Brown deer road and saying the county line. That's where River Hills is lot of country clubs are either in or a but the river hills area a lot of really really large lots five I'd say five acres is probably the almost the minimum for them. It has been a the houses are very, very old and just all wooded, and if you drive through other streets in there, all the homes, almost all the homes are gated and so. Well, and that's however hills wanted to maintain. Their community. As I said, the southern edge of river hills is brown deer road. Ex Take that back I think it might go. All the way down to good hope one of the two but other than those two main drags sort of run through. The area good hope and Brown deer the past oral tucked into you gotTA curve and this that and the other thing they have never wanted retail. They have never wanted multifamily they just WanNa have what they have. There were some firearms that were located in River Hills, and there's an old farm property that's located at Brown. Deer road that the family wants to sell developer. The property is seventeen hundred west Brown deer road off you know Brown deer road. That's the farthest North Big East West main drag you have in Milwaukee County Brown deer I think it's eighty, eight, hundred north. Several years ago. The family that owned the property. Sold it to a developer for the purpose of put again a big apartment complex. It's called the eater family property. Developers. Asked to have the property resulted that they could go to family. They wanted to set up lots that would be between. There would be smaller. Do the multifamily thinking River Hills said no, we're not GONNA do it. Fit. Abella pursued. Claiming that. It was simply an arbitrary denial that you can't set up zoning so that The five. Acre. Minimum entire community is ridiculous. So you got the developer. And the family that's that tried to sell because they sell for two and a half student half three, million dollars. Suing River Hills. The hills saying well, we'RE NOT GONNA. Let you do it. According to the business journal the case has been settled out of court. This settlement is beautiful in of understanding everything you need to know about River Hills's I say even though it's a very small community, the people that live there are very wealthy. Do you take a guess what the settlement is? River hills just. South Dad the family gets everybody. We'll just pay the same about it I to the family and we'll buy it now wherever hills owns the property so they essentially got the price river does it have to worry about the multifamily river heels is going to be giving two and a half million dollars to the eater family buys the property. There aren't going to be any apartments. There is bought the property. Now if I on the property next door I just figured out a way to had two and a half billion dollars out of on a river hills. The lawyers involved these two biggest real estate lawyers probably in the state of Wisconsin A. Markovits. Very well known he represented River Hills and the families are presented by Bruce Black who she mentioned this a conflict of interest who has represented. In the past ed they carved out the deal that makes sense for everyone river hills says the body desert what the apartments the eaters care if this apartments, the family member just to have their money case blows through what happened. So. Much for that. Standing up for Milwaukee. This is the mark belling late afternoon show on news talk eleven thirty wfan coming up a little bit. A brand new feature on the program, we're calling it the mark belling weekend football preview. We will not be doing the football picking contest this year but Mike let of American sports analysts will join me as we'll talk about two or three games in football season we spend a few minutes previewing the weekend action. I don't feel comfortable making any predictions right now not as focused like a lot of people have been on the sport. We don't know how it's going to be different with fans. A lot of college teams are not playing. Some are so rather than waste time with me and Paul, just guests at around here And also having an audience contested when some people are very soured and football were just going to have a little discussion each week take a look at what's going on whatever the stories of the big games would be out of focus in highlight odd and we have a new sponsor holiday motors, which is the big automotive group and find a lack. We'll be sponsor. So we'll be doing that in a little bit. Let's start with this. Like many schools. Franklin is not allowing fans to attend any of their false sporting beds Franklin. Will Not. Allow any fans to go to any athletic events including and I love this In fact I want you to think along with beyond this without belaboring the point of all the sports that they have in high school. What would be the one that would be the easiest have fans at. During this period of covert and social distancing. Posted for all no I way way way easier to have fans at. All the sports they have at high school. For one thing, Paul actually has people who want to go to would. Fight th there's a sport in which it would be far easier to have the Fed socially distanced. I got it. It's it's the perfect would. Track you're on the right track with crack field. Yeah. The right training you're on the right track you literally our. Grass cut. For like two. Thousand. Watt even let you like they usually run two courses at through a trail. They won't even allow somebody to stay you know how many people would go to across the parents go. Cat Daddy for that? So, frankly, it's that allowing fans to attend the sporting events. Now, why do I bring that up? Well. We. Do have a local sports organization that actually has in-person fan attendance in fact, but a few of them this summer, the slinger speedway is operating with fans and. The baseball team the for the Milwaukee. Milk Ben whose stadium is actually in Franklin southwestern quarter the they have had fans attending their games that's a semi professional or a low grade professionally other lucky Milkman has had fans attending their games. They don't allow you to pack the place, but they have a distancing policy and fans. Are Allowed to attend. So. At last night's Milwaukee Milk game. Who Do you think? Threw out the first. Ball. Why that would be none other than Michael Bulow. The principle. Of. Franklin. High School, the guy who will not allow fans go to watch his kids play does gave himself at actually goes out and throws out the first ball. What a bunch of phonies so mom and dad can't watch the kid play football. The other kids in the school can't sit one kid over here at another kid over on the forty yard can't do that. But the guy who runs the school decides that he's GonNa. Go to a ball game with fans out there at exit. First Ball. And then why the right back into school with other Kobe Germs that I'm sure he just got like crazy at the big game. I contacted the Franklin School Superintendent Envy. Neither responded. To my questions about. Why if you don't think fans it safe for fans to go to a game are you going to a game of a sport and actually taking part of the event and the person who tipped the OPT to? The said that this is what it's come to with these idiots that are running the schools. They don't even realize how bad they look when they do dumbbells things like this deep down in here I suspect most of these school officials know that these lockdowns are stupid which is why and their own personal life, the Guy Willing to go to a game like this but. When it comes to restricting somebody else's activity the ability to go. You know who cares cover my but. Thus these types of decisions I've got an interesting story to share. With you from of all places. Joliet. Illinois. What do you know about Joliet? Illinois I have several facts I can share at the audience of Joliet Illinois what are you talking about Julia Dylan? Nothing. Oh. You do too. You Know How your answers I whatever you think. You don't know something. You actually know things that just Kurds three seconds later. Famous. There's like there's actually lots of things about Joliet Illinois. Richard Speck was in prison in Joliet Illinois. So as John Wayne Casey they have twos Illinois ice to stay prisons Joliet ones just outside of Joliet. The right of the city to separate state presents Joliet Joliet is like south west of Chicago Kinda distance. It's not really a suburb joliet would be to Chicago kind of like what Kenosha would be to Milwaukee and other it's part of the overall metro area, but it's it's quite the haul the track where they run the NASCAR races is. Leeann Illinois, and a very, very, very, very iconic famous will be I think. I'd say eightyish eighty or eighty one. Had A big portion of the movie film to Joliet Illinois. Star John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd have it yet. Blues Brother's in fact, wasn't what are the characters called Joliet Jake in the movie Think so yeah. Anyway Joliet. Joliet. So working class community as I say, it's got the two prisons. There's also a couple of very big industrial plants had just this. The most Asada shaking high voltage transmission par Joliet just apparently was the city that would take everything. They take the two bridges. There's these high transmission of power light contraption that they have outside of their that he'd. Every time I drove pass at fifty five I worked in Springfield, which is way farther south down there. Every time I drove up fifty five and one underneath osage I'm telling you my car would like. Would literally hear buzzing inside the car. Can't be good for you anyway jolly at. That's for this story comes from the local color is just to add to the telling of the story. The Joliet Chamber of Commerce. Now, you needed this background because this is not like this is not like you know. Wisconsin Manufacturers and commerce ninety-seven lobbyists. You know all the staff, etc. The Joliet Chamber of Commerce. decided to dig into the numbers that were being put out. About. Colbert, in their community. You'd like to think that every chamber of Commerce in every business group in the country would be diving into this to see whether or not some of these numbers might be like wrong. We've known we found that in places where the media's dug into them like Florida we saw in Florida to separate labs that only reported positive test that was the fox affiliate in Orlando that broke. That's remember that one. The more we've dived into these numbers the more we've realized that some of them are really really off. The. Joliet Chamber of Commerce. Went in and took a look at the numbers in will county will county is the county that Joliet his Ed and got I would say downtown John. That's about sixty miles from Chicago might be a little higher than that but. You get the drift. And they ou'd. That the numbers that were being reported for all of will county. For. Cova cases was in fact coded positive tests I have been trying to make this. How many times have I brought up this point that many of these communities are not using cases using tests. This means according to the estimate from the Chamber of Commerce in Joliet that their numbers are actually forty percent higher than they actually ought to be why because people get tested more than once If you get a positive test, they want you to come back to be tested again and sometimes two three times what they were finding when they looked at the numbers that every positive test that's the number that was being reported to the State of Illinois for will county as the number of people who have cope it. So they were counting positive tests cases. It means that they conclude that the numbers in Weld County are forty percent higher than they actually are at other words. The reported number is forty percent higher than the number of actual people that have the virus. This is worth sharing because you know this is going on all over America, but there has been no desire on the part of anybody to actually expose it because. I believe their agenda has been to make this number look the highest not. To simply give the accurate information. To the public. As the what's going on and before we go any further in this topic I am now going to pat myself on the back. See this me pat myself on the back. Paws pause on the phone gear what are your some tha being told to stop and pick up some brown chicken on the way home or what's going on? Talking overlap. On yet this thing is going on yet I talk to you about the. World or something. Might be ambulance at about five minutes. Well I'm glad that he's actually I shouldn't criticize this I'm glad he's responsible ready early rather than some of the groups that we have that aren't even ready at the time. This supposed to be odd, right? Yeah. Like that traffic guy that we that we had to get rid of WHO's though. We should come up with some dark reason why John Wyatt's not ready worn starts absurd rumor what does he carries not gonNA use that name and his new career anyway right. Why I if? You don't dog. Well, he's going to everybody who leaves radio crawls back. Don't you? We we had been Sherman did that for the filled in for us? Ben Sherman was been the first traffic I had I think he was wasn't he? Controversial captain L.. Captain L. Right when I was starting technically he was the first captain was shifting doing only mornings right when I started in some people thought he was refused. He was Captain Al who is a Legend and traffic circles I. Think Ben was the first to actually do it over the log hall of that Ben's gone up and data that the exit his career, but he's he filled in for John Lake and he hadn't been on the fifteen years years Ben Sherman onto the traffic. So that'll be Wyatt what I'm doing the show ninety two. Okay. Time for the traffic. Here's some elderly job Wyatt broken down you know. Bitter about light still limited Tosa still can't get himself out. No I'm patting myself on the back. There many talk show hosts that would've filed that story from Joliet. Illinois for you I'm out there finding stuff like this. That's my knock on the media. They're not only not out there trying to find interesting material like this they're looking the other way try not to find it. Football preview coming up in a moment I'll. We will have a segment after that for those of you that are. Wondering I want to share some thoughts about mail in voting. That's GONNA come up after we do our weekly football weekend football preview, which will be each Thursday a right around five forty five before we go into it real quickly, Paul comment yesterday and I I will admit I'm just not his style unlike many just not as focused. Who's good who is in college trip on just lost I just tried to fight on who's playing and who is in a slot Paul said that he watched espn and all the experts are picking the packers to finish last which kind of surprised me. And I did a little bit of re. People really down on the packers this year. I I mean I. Will Admit I just don't know. But Green Bay was thirteen and three last year and one game away from the super. Bowl I mean usually I mean some teams dropped out and some get better but. I look at the packers. It looks to be like the got kind of the same team may be improved in a couple of with a couple of guys I mean. I don't know how you can say you go from thirteen to three to last unless you can say they lost nine players or something or another. So we'll pull. That'll be one of the questions that we might be. Let me come back after the break. 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So they're going to sponsor this segment for his each week and we're glad to have the war joined right now by Mike. Burnett. Of American, sports analysts in Madison with Mike. You don't have to worry about winning are contests this year because we don't have once you and I just got a chat a little bit about football. Welcome back for another year. Yeah. Thanks for having me. It's what first year since in twenty started twenty years ago we haven't had a contest too much. Unknown I guess coming into this year which I completely understand Paul brings in the results from last year. Get this guy. That yeah. I wonder why Paul brings in the results from last year we this is not a history program. Paul. We we futuristic and we look ahead my my recollection is I want. I I had a stroke. What do I do I anyway Let's talk a little bit about football. First of all everything is different and we no one really knows that the impact in the NFL with either no answer virtually no fans in the stands going to be college football is really weird because you've got about forty teams that are playing and about Ninety Division One teams that aren't and There's no rhyme two reason savage. It's for instance, Iowa state from the Big Gut big twelve is playing Iowa for the big ten isn't it's all goofed up has this affected? How do you? You're Kinda run a blind and trying to figure out who's going to be good and how Games are going you guys look at it this week to week are you analyzing and trying to see who's going to be a strong team or is inter? What are your thoughts on that? Yeah I think we've got a good feel going into the season. It's going to be no different thrusts going into the season as far as who we think's good who we think's not good. WHO's overrated WHO'S NOT I think know just fewer teams in college I mean it's we'll handicap the teams who play and I think. We've got a really good feel for everything in the NFL too I think the the difference is going to be as the season moves on. And players are. You know certain players are out you know because of the Kovin situation and now apparently some colleges and Oklahoma came out and said they're not gonNA they don't want to say who's out because it's GonNa. Be a disadvantage to them that would just be chaos at that point. It'd be I'm guessing. Injury a player as an injury report that in you know, and now guys just might not come in and. So on also have the situation were some colleges I like they're still talk that the big ten nobody knows what will happen with this concert started in October So teams will come in during the middle of the season and. So forth and so on. Real quickly you're in Madison and close to the situation. Do you think the Bro Badger? Football season this fall or do you have a have you heard anything? They still have the problem with the city of Madison, not giving the clearance to play home games because of mass gatherings. Do you have any feel for what's going on with the Wisconsin Program? Yeah it's it's just like everyone else it's up in the air I mean, we've heard. Assuming we've heard the same as everyone else I've heard late October is a possibility. I've heard around Thanksgiving's a possibility I've heard January first of the possibility if it was January first one, what we're hearing they'll be. Four domes in the Midwest, I believe it was Saint Louis Indianapolis Detroit and. Minneapolis they play in those venues I don't think there's no way they're going to extend it to the spring. Everything I've heard is that they don't want to disrupt the start of next season in the coaches and athletic directors and everyone agrees if they start. Later in the spring that there's not enough term. Really Bell Games or a national championship. I. Mean Some Leagues are playing as normal. The big twelve is rolling, and for instance, Notre Dame's playing this week I think the SEC's going but then the big ten's GonNa start it's just everybody's different page at it's just this mishmash I'll let's move over to the NFL quickly the question on top of everybody's minds is give us your assessment of the packers Paul it ever talking during the break we're just struck by the number of people the think the packers aren't going to be any good the Green Bay packers last year or thirteen to three and one game away. From the Super Bowl, yet national either being picked by a lot of experts to finish last in the north and Paul and I both said, it seems like a lot of fans are sour at a team. Usually fans just react to what happened the year before they were thirteen and three and almost went the super bowl but there seems to be pessimism about them. Your thoughts on what the packers are. GonNa be like this year. Yeah. I, you know I agree I think the packers will regress. Do I think they're going GonNa Finish last in the division? No I don't think they're gonNA finish last in division. Are they going well twelve or thirteen games? I highly doubt it just historically I can go over a few things historically that says that that almost never happens first of all green bay thirteen wins last year but they're point differential is only three point nine. So many close games they lost they were killed. All those close games, they never really believe anybody out. They were nine and one in one score games basically eight points or less They actually got outgained yards per play on the season. They remind US point two yards per play, which is something we look at some stats like that say. It's not gonNA happen again this year they had a lot of breaks they had like you said nine close close games nine and one they were plus in a top five and turnover differential a lot of that stuff. Normally, they had almost no injuries it was remarkable healthy. The packers state is a t and that that's something that generally does it. Work out the packers opened the season with a huge game they play in Minnesota to questions about that some quick thoughts about the Packer Viking game, and also I'm just is there this home field advantage exists in a sport that essentially has no fans or maybe does it make it an even greater advantage the team playing their own Empty Stadium Hesitant I. How do you do you think there is a home field advantage? How does the lack of fans affect the game? Is there more scoring less scoring? Does it just not matter? Well that's that's that's something we're going to have to adjust to my opinion right now is. There's not GonNa be home field advantage I mean some and it's weird because everyone has the same information. Everyone's treating a different like green bay none of the central NFC. North teams are gonNA. Have fans some teams are having fans. Tonight's Game Kansas City's hasn't been there, but there's only be like twelve to fourteen thousand people. So I don't know how. Allowed stadium but instead it, it'll be a weird sounded stadium with you know as you say, twelve thousand, I'm sure they'll be roaring but they're making them sit apart even on top of what other in the stadium. So yeah that you know some people are saying it's going to affect the play calling because. You know in the past the crowds roar and so odd now everybody's going to hear everything that the other teams are saying and the offense of players are going to hear the defensive signals. It just a brand new thing that it's going to be like watching one of those division three games on TV where everybody can hear what everybody's said. Yeah it's GONNA BE WE'RE GONNA. That's one thing we are going to have to just to as we go on as far as scoring is their home field advantage does there seem to be as we move forward normally home fields two and a half to three points I'm going to say it's almost zero right now I would just. Look at the game and say who you think is going to win and I worry where the game is being where the game is being played up. Question. About a couple of teams I, think people are fascinated. I, know. If I could be fascinated by any of this how the Tampa Bay situation is GonNa work. They had a spectacular office last year, but they're changing the quarterback of the quarterback is one of the two best known quarterbacks of the current Air Tom Brady is the quarterback for the Tampa Bay buccaneers had they've got that Bruce Arians dynamic offense I know they've made additions to their defense. I, kind of think they're a super bowl contender others Brady's ninety years old and this is going to be a debacle down there. Do you have any thoughts on Tampa? Yeah they're an interesting team is very interesting team because as you said, their offense was extremely good last year. The problem was Winston through thirty three touchdowns and thirty perceptions I mean that's snowpacks. Federal's no picks. He's going to have Gronkowski, which is going to help their defense. Actually two years ago was horrible. They were right at the bottom I. think they go over six yards per play they improved drastically last year on Defense the problem with they turn the ball over so much because of. Because of Winston, I think they're gonNA be Brady's GonNa. Have as good. A skill position players. He's maybe ever had they. They've got some really good wide receivers much better than the New England wide receivers So it's going to be interesting how that goes in the first week they play New Orleans right out of the gate. I mean that's a huge game in. New Orleans is favored by three or three and a half points in I'm not doing picks right now. But if just glancing that would have been my picture take Tampa Bay plus those points against new. Orleans I think Tampa Bay I at some point drew brees. But I say that. Tom Brady's older I mean the combined ages of the quarterbacks and that Gamer is about one hundred. Yeah, it's GonNa. Be a great game. The one thing I I do Orlands is gonNA is GonNa Really have a chip on their shoulder for this game i. don't think we'll use this game but I think chip on the shoulder because they're hearing everything Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay, and New Orleans own. Division for a while now. So I, think will chip on their shoulder at home that's going to be a great I first game I think. Any. One or two games you'd like to talk about maybe you will even another rest of us are going to make picks. If you WANNA give us a pick that we can use for the weekend or any other game that also want to mention briefly. Sure just quickly quickly, I won't give a pick on this game but the lions bears and a stay in the NFC north that's going to be an interesting situation to start lions last year started the season four, and once they were they were kind of in the mix, and if you remember Stafford went out halfway through the season and he was on pace to throw for like five thousand yards and thirty eight touchdowns, lions weren't that bad after he went out, they went onate they lost everything the rest of the way their. Defense was very poor but they got worn out they face more offensive plays than any other team in the NFL. So they got worn out Chicago on the flipside picked up foles to try and take over the quarterback position Trubisky beat him out. So he's going to be starting first Chicago I. think that's GonNa be interesting aim lions as a one point favorite at home, and it's moved all the way up to three. So people are wagering on the lines that game I think that'll be interesting first game for sure to watch. To to give pick on maybe. Yeah I I'm GonNa, I'm GonNa look at the at the jets over Buffalo I. Think Buffalo's drastically overvalued coming into the season if I can get the jets at plus seven right now at six and a half a few seven. If I can get them at plus seven, I think I'll take the jets. They've got a really good defense. They're often struggled last year. But when Darnold in the game last year, they were actually seven and six, they had a winning record and they scored many more points when donald played buffaloes quarterback was the least Allen was the least accurate quarterback in the NFL the most uncatchable throws in the NFL. Their defense is really good. That's just give me a low scoring game I think and points if I can get seven I think it's too much I. think it's GonNa be a fairly close game like the to. This is finally the year that New England doesn't win the AFC east and everybody has been picking buffalo to do it but. Nobody knows we have. We don't have time to discuss it this week but nobody knows how to England situation the post it's not the Post Bella check era. He's there I think he wants to prove that he can win without. Tom. Brady. But that's probably the most interesting division size up is what's going to happen in the AFC's anyway anything that you'd like to tell us about what what's going on this week editor for the I it's weird week but the first full weekend of football? In a weird week, I mean we started we've had one pick so far and start off good. We army last week they buy three and they won forty two zero. So hopefully, we can keep going well well, the small slate of games this week just got anyone give us cough their interest in the season packages five, hundred, ninety, five dollars for the whole season everything, which is the cheapest rate we've ever had. So just give us a call in the office if anyone to address them. By about forty and navy lost by fifty. Our control. Anyway ASA WINS DOT COM if you're interested in that deal that they have, or you can still call Mike and his team at one, eight, seven to ten, Ninety, eight thanks Mike Mike Marcellus this is the mark belling weekend full previous by holiday automotive, it's worth the drive mail in voting is an issue that. I think is going to end up being as big a story in the United States as rioting. And call the Die Tijd I believe that what you're looking at is going to be a chaotic mess. And I don't know anybody could possibly think that it's not going to be that way between fraud. And the fact the postal service can't deliver may Alon Time Some thoughts on that issue yes. We have another segment that still coming up. So some thoughts on that issue before I quickly get to that point Paul you have a quick thought on the packers. Will they be good bad somewhere the better lead. Paul said the regress a little bit but he still thinks well, they'll never two games they probably win the division I made. two games. This is still eleven five I do admit it's hard to recall they were thirteen and three but part of it is they weren't a diamond at thirteen and three they rogers one somebody loves games in the defence with the so-called Smith brothers they made all those big plays at the end of games and the packers had all these nail biters last year. I just I really I. Look at the packers a team that really hasn't changed personnel much all the draft choices virtually all we're on defense, but I do think the breakout players I just think diller the running back is. I don't play fantasy I don't play fantasy football, but that guys go to score a Zillion touchdowns because they're going to put the game every time they're they're they're on the one of the two yard light and he's he's not new job. Could this guy actually has gears? He's fast that he's athletic he's not just the bullet coon stick his head in there I this guy's a real Roddick back and they've got a change of pace running back situation now between Jones and haven't they still have the the one Williamson Notre Dame has gone but the other Williams for a mix up their first days of. The sense of T- I believe he's still there. So they have three. Really good. Three. Really good running backs same as last year. I worry about the depth receiver. All right. We'll talk about mail in voting in the next segment. newstalk eleven thirty W. I and Mark belling late afternoon show. Here's some sobering information. The packers that Mike Odd did not have time to pass along in the everybody said into us? The last thirty years there've been fifty two teams to improve by six or more wins from one year to the next that that's what the packers did from twenty, eighteen, thousand, nine, hundred of those teams that showed the dramatic improvement only eighteen of the fifty, two you. Improved their record at least twelve leads the packers remember did that at thirteen so only eighteen eighty and in the last thirty years on the eighteenth Kiev's improved by six Wednesday get to at least twelve just doesn't happen much. Of those teams zero. One, the same number or more games. The following year there isn't single case of a team that improved that much that approved. Again, the following year all lost at least two more games. The following year thirteen of the eighteen lost at least four more games the following year so. I think all of that would make sense especially in the case of the packers. First of all teams go thirteen and three generally don't get. There's usually only one way to go. Down from there, but the packers could still regress two or three games and still be a contender. To win the division, we'll see. Dan Column in Today's Wall Street Journal focuses on something. You can see this coming from a mile away. There is going to be a train wreck in this country because of this mail in voting thing between the combination of fraud and I think tens of thousands of ballots that either legitimately or suspiciously show up after the fact with no control at all as the who they are and where they came from. Before I share what you had interest, callum. Again. My throwing advice to the audience is to vote in person. My strong advice is to not wait until election day I believe that there is a real possibility of rioting in this country election day in Republican areas to try to stop Republicans have voted my encouragement is to vote in advance in the two weeks we have it Wisconsin to vote in person absentee voting. In other words you can fill out your ballot, but you have to vote it in person. In the two weeks prior to the election, do not trust the male. Who knows what could happen with those letters not to mention the fact that many are going to be lost Again. If, you have no other option to vote but the male yes. Mail it ahead. But I strongly encourage an IM- person vote. In the two weeks prior to the election, and that's what I personally will do to headed your column and I want people to ponder all of this. He writes Niagara Falls is a wonder of the world in part because when staring at its vast churning expanse what comes to mind is I wouldn't WANNA be swept over those falls welcome to the twenty twenty presidential elections. Someone hundred, twenty, million voters are in the same boat headed for a political crackup. November third. But Hey we don't arrive at the top of the falls for two months. Why worry on Tuesday this newspapers opinion column carried bracing editorial will the courts pick the next president on the impending bailing voting fiasco read it and weep the gist of the situation is that some states oblivious to the laws of postal delivery gravity are allowing ballots to be put in the mail only days before November third they may or may not show up by election day but so what? Postal Service experts have warned of the risks of mailing ballots within seven days of November third. But. Hardly anyone is listening to them. Amid the Maelstrom of state voting procedures lawsuits are being filed to challenge existing deadlines. A federal judge told Georgia that if a ballot is postmarked before election, day, it has to be counted whenever it shows up. Let me interject. Did you hear what that say did? A federal judges will ruling in Georgia that they postmark the ballot before election. Day, they have to cut it whenever comes in. That would mean in Georgia that we will not know the results of that state until at least the week after the election, what if the ballot comes in two weeks later? That is an insane rolling. It is what a federal judge ruled. Georgia factory managers Callum in Pennsylvania some officials want ballots counted even if a postmark mythic. State election officials are going to eyeball signatures on mailed ballots. The see if they match what's on file. Close it doesn't count only at horseshoes hand grenades. Again when you mail in your ballot, remember you have to sign the ballot envelope from the outside. Imagine the arguments about whether or not the signature and the name printed on the outside of the envelope matches the voting record exactly. What if somebody's addresses off by a number or two etcetera? Remember your ballot isn't marked, but the ballot envelope is marked. Then they opened the ballot and presumably they don't look at how you voted before it gets put into the machine back to the column. Ohio's League of Democratic Women Voters is already challenging the verification process along two months remains the throw. Monkey wrenches into what's left of the election system. But here's the really dynamic male in metric. Polling didn't listen to this polling by the wall. Street Journal suggests sixty, six percent of trump voters planned to vote in person. But nearly seventy, five percent a Biden voters say they'll mail it ahead. Figure what that statement just needs most trump voters have voted in person most Biden voters say they're going to vote by mail. He picks up arguably, we are going to have parallel elections for the same office not even close to arguable is that both Donald Trump Joe Biden clay and each one, his election dueling inaugurations anyone Portland's permanent political streetfighting could becoming too according to a neighborhood near yell the excuse for rolling the election. Helpless, onto the rocks is, of course the pandemic it's worth noting how much of essential America is being subsumed beneath the pandemics unchanging conventional wisdom schools, universities, urban economies, industries, and now national. Election Must Stumble forward as if nothing we know about the virus violence violence or transmission has changed since March. At Institution after institution leadership has seated decision making responsibility to an amorphous power called the sides that statement requires an apology to the scientists working worldwide at had been conducting debate and discussion about the viruses threat today versus the need to resume normal human life. Are we really going to allow our national political crisis caused by demonstrably flawed voting system to just sort of happened? A half year on the pandemic has short-circuited independence of helpful input from much of the nation's leadership protecting the election. Several reasons may explain the national outbreak of nine fees. It's one is quote trump after marinating for three years in antipathy for it for trump many elites in business academia and the media are willing to let the system rip to get rid of him in turn. He's happy to oblige the rank-order in the Cold War. This was called mutually assured destruction. More intriguing is how racial issues emerged after may twenty fifth suppressed? Political instincts and comments. The idea black lives matter has become a kind of alternative reality in which racialism informs everything starting with that long list of torn down monuments to such Torius racists. Ulysses, S GRANT Being sarcastic. The presidential election was going to be difficult enough without the new element of racially motivated mob rage and one major party locked up over his historic ties to the civil rights movement and the current movement street protests violence the. Goal is to conform opinion. The result is that people who normally would speak up no longer do about anything last month Seattle's police chief Carmen best black woman was forced to reside this week Rochester New York police chief Laurent Single Terry. Also black resigned with a bitter statement as the man of integrity I will not sit idly by outside entities attempt to destroy my character. Their career is a testament to racial advancement are collateral damage toss the way in a day without defensive anyone. The complexities of their jobs aren't discussable instead liberals and many others in and out of politics hide behind the virtue of the moment intimidated by social media and the social justice sentiments of millennials between the pandemic of protests we have fallen into a culture of silence this year. Now, it looks as if we will nonchalantly the mail in vote mess Florida presidential election over the falls into a political crisis stock up on. Water Dan headed. You're saying that we're headed for a disaster with a male and election i. have been saying the same thing. I also predict that the violence that we have seen in many cities will be occurring election day and Republican areas as liberals knowing most of their people are voting by mail will attempt to obstruct the in person voting. You are also going to have overt attempts by courts to simply count ballots that they know we're not legitimately cast, and again, this is happening within many states including Wisconsin very little opposition at all to this push to election to conduct any election that is clearly going to be ripped by fraud and is going to have tremendous controversies over which ballots were legitimately cast or not again, all using covid nineteen as the excuse. As cover. We had in person election in Wisconsin April nobody got sick. There is no reason to think that you can't with two weeks of in person voting people turned their ballots in person and vote properly as opposed to this mess that's going to occur. I am of the opinion. That we are going to be January first of next year with both sides claiming that they have won the presidency and as many of argued, we are facing the very real possibility that the courts is simply going to tell us the president is with the military force to. Step edit either force trump of offices many now fear or. Lack the Democrats from taking control depending on what happens as they say, if there was any common sense here, all of this is preventable but I think very few people seem to at all be concerned about what happens your point side is the inevitability that an election conducted by mail is going to be an absolute mess. I would not trust anything important to go through the regular mail. There's a reason why when you have any kind of important document that has to be said, it sent to a trackable system either Fedex or whether the mail system, the priority mail, and so what the idea that we're just gotTa, let ballots coming from who knows where signed by example of signed by who knows what voted by who knows if it's the actual person just float at and then be coded a week and a half after the election is over then having some lefty judges decide what's going to be counted what is not? The. Legitimacy of American democracy I think Ed's with this election. Neither side is going to believe they lost at neither side that is on the losing end is going to believe that whoever the next president is came in legitimately. Rallied in Freeland Michigan. Looking. At crowd on television and looks huge. Let's end the program with this. There is some confusion about the status of Yannis. How to Cuco of the Milwaukee Bucks I. Am here to try to explain this knowing that some people will probably not follow it. Jaanus is signed with the box through the end of next season however, and this is the key point here in terms of people wondering if he's going to stay with the bucks or not. The. Box have the ability to offer him what's called a Supermac Max extension. During this current offseason. The NBA has a salary cap on the supermax extension has the it's, A. It's a thirty one percent over the salary cap and we don't know what the revenue pig is. Relationship next year are going to be but the maximum number of years is five years that it's thought to be about a quarter of. A billion dollars. In other words, it'd be about fifty billion dollars a year. It's up to Yada to decide if he wants to take it. Now an extension means that would put that on the end of his current contract. So it'd be a total of five years he signed for it, and only the box can make that offer. They call this kind of a cousin of the Larry Bird rule what teams could overspent overshoot the salary cap to resign their own players. So the box have the ability to offer Yada Stat contract now, and he can sign it either in the off season or anytime during next season. If he doesn't sign it. I think the bucks have to seriously consider trade him because if he doesn't sign the extension that tells me, he's not going to sign when he becomes a full free agent at the end of the year anyway. Janas has every reason to take the extension if he wants to lack, it is money now. Means, you wouldn't have to worry about getting injured and the contract that he will get a full free agent a year later probably wouldn't be that much more valuable. So if he isn't willing to take the extension now it's probably a sign that he's not going to stick with the Bucks Longterm. Anyway. Yada is not going to demand trade now, but if he doesn't sign The extension would tell me that he probably isn't going to stay here anyhow. So the key will be whether or not he takes the extension, wants the box offer it to him. It may well be that he will want to wait and see what happens during the next season to see whether or not. The bucks are a contender he's gotta be soured by what happened. During the end of this season for that reason, I expect that the bucks will be making significant changes in this off season in an attempt to demonstrate he honest that they are serious about winning a championship this coming season and that would probably mean adding one major started the puzzle and I think if you took a look at how the but season ended this year, they have one star. A couple of really good players in blood sewing. Khris Middleton but they are lacking that second edition clogged just about every came and tries to win a championship as a superstar and it borderlines superstar next and. Lopez is just the player. He's not a sire and I the bucks needed they needed Jimmy Butler type. They need a letter type they need somebody that's almost at the level of the oddest in order to win that and I think that's be the priority in the offseason to see how many players are going to have to get rid of including some pretty big names the put another star. Gaddis anyway that's it for me for this week back. Home. You.

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Sarah, Jessica Parker presents a place for us. The brilliant debut by young Muslim American writer, Fatima, Farhi, and Musa. Then Facebook got trolled in two thousand sixteen when Russia used it to attack America's election, and it all happened on this man's. Watch our Walter Isaacson talks to Facebook's former chief security officer, Alex Thomas. Welcome to the program. Everyone I'm Christiane I'm on for enu. So we'll President Trump's supreme court. Nominee, Brad Kavanagh be confirmed now that psychology professor, Christine, Ford has gone public, accusing a drunken seventeen-year-old Cavanaugh of assaulting at a high school party more than thirty years ago. Kevin firmly denies the allegation and says that he will testify again on Capitol Hill. The White House also Senator Susan chooses should be heard Woody derailed supreme court nomination add to the perception of dysfunction inside the Trump White House in his new book, fear Trump in the White House. The legendary journalist, Bob Woodward provides an intimate inside portrait and he says, even the chief of staff says that this presidency has quote gone off the rails. Meanwhile call Bernstein once Bob woods, Watergate partner is racking up scoop off the scoop of his own on the Trump administration. Bernstein is he says, is following the money among meant among many other issues in his groundbreaking reporting, and they are now still icons after all these years. Bob Woodward and call Bernstein join me for their first joint interview around this issue. And in fact, the first joint into us far as I can gather for more than a year. So gentlemen, thank you so much for joining me. Can I ask you both? Let me ask you Bob because you're in Washington that. Do you think that sort of this eleventh hour revelation public revelation by Christine, Ford alleging what she has about Brad Kavanagh will affect the confirmation hearings. I certainly don't know, have done no original reporting on it. It's it's obvious that they've got to try to get to the bottom of it of that may be difficult and more time consuming than lot. Lots of people would hope and call just thinking about how all these hearings unfolded forty years ago, all the Watergate matters and seeing this happened right now. Do you, what do you think about its its potential, or is it just going to be done and and confirmation? We'll go ahead. I think one of the great things about being a reporter is that we don't have a crystal ball so that there really is not enough information for for us to look ahead. We're very much in the present reporting the story as it's going on, including the dynamic of the White House and the possibility of extended hearings. But we don't know what's going to happen and I wouldn't hazard a guess. So Bob, let's get you a book fear inside the White House. As we said, the crystal ball, you actually did gaze very, very deeply into this White House. You've talked to a lot of people. Everybody knows the parameters of your of your reporting. Why did you call it fear the because an interview a couple of years ago. We asked Trump what is real power, and he literally said, real power is I don't even like to use the word the're. So that's his and it was done in a way it was almost a Shakespearean aside hamlet turning to the audience insane. This is really what's driving me. This is what it's about. And if you look at his presidency, I think there is that that is one of the motifs that is he. He's trying to scare people and not only is he scared people abroad and people in the country. His scared a lot of people who were most closely with him. I mean, I guess you know, everybody has been, you know, sort of their hair standing on end over over the revelations in your book and call himself has been doing a huge amount of reporting as well. And you've both been talking a lot around this book and and as it's been unfolding, what do you think I ball visits? Your book allows call is the is the most significant revelation in a string of hair-raising. Revelations. I'm particularly interested obviously in the nexus between national security, the global projection of power, the alliances, and how America remains a steadfast ally and an adversary to those who need it to be an adversary. I guess the overall theme is and it's something Carl of really focused on a year ago about Trump in that is the line things that are just not true. And Trump has a view of the world that somehow he can come in is the disruptor and that the framework that was handed to him, you know, seventy years of work by democratic and Republican presidents to to keep the peace quite frankly and us trade agreements, security agreements like NATO and top secret intelligence partnership to protect the United States. And there are scenes in the book where he just will not have any of it and has his this very difficult catastrophic view. Quite frankly that the issue is money. Oh my God. We are protecting European countries were protecting South Korea, and we're losing money. And he literally says it one s a NFC meeting. We are being played for suckers. We would be so rich. If we were smart while the generals and the people who know this, tell him very much up front said, look, these. These are bargains. If we had to pay ten times the money to keep troops in South Korea or in NATO or the forward deployment, the United States has around the world that would be exactly what we would do. He doesn't get it. And call I in the introduction, I said that you have a of other things concentrated on following the money in a different way. What is where is it leading you. I think what Bob is accomplished, then we'll focus on that now tell you where it leads me would. Bob is a compost is many of us have had little pieces of this through the past year, and I happened a few big pieces what he is done as assemble a coherent picture of the dysfunction of the ignorance as it tested too, and characterize as ignorance of the president of the United States by those closest to him and not just the ignorance, but also a real level of incompetence as they put it. So what we get is a book that now shows very clearly those closest to the president of the United States, saying the president himself is a danger to the national security of the United States and what what I've done is pieces of that, including we have looked at the money aspects of it, and there's a lot more to be learned. About Donald Trump's relationships with Allah guards what he has done in Russia in terms of most of his income, as far as we know, and as one of his sons has told us, most of his income in recent years has come from Russia. Ethno Russians and enterprises having to do with Allah guards, we need to know a lot more about that in perhaps the Muller investigation will tell us, but following the money and following the lies is the key to understanding what this presidency is about. And Bob is done it and added up from those closest to him to the president, a really dramatic narrative that shows us in real time what's been happening. And the vacuum here, if I may say and I think Carl would agree, we never got or Trump never released his tax returns. You talk to people about right following the. Money. Those tax returns are a trail to understanding not just how he made money, how we lost money, what these bankruptcies were about, but who he is and it's a shame in may be quite Frank. Here I- I fault myself for not being more aggressive in trying to get those tax returns would be set a window into all kinds of things, not a perfect window, but it would. It would be something that would tell journalists and book authors and the public who this man is. But both both of you would and Bernstein. This is obviously the most leaky White House in recent memory. I mean, everything seems to to pull out one way or another. Do you think that these tax returns could leak out? I mean, they exist. The federal government has them doesn't it. It's hard. One is going to presume that that. Muller is going to use them in some way that we might learn about them. But that's not for sure. And you say it's a leaky White House? Yes, it's a leaky White House, but it is is friends Priebus the former chief-of-staff called it really is a team of predators, not a team of rivals, and they are chaos creators. And what you we have to do is find a method, and I go back to the method Carlin I used in water gave, which, frankly, I learned from Carl, go to people's homes at night. It's futile to try to see them in the office. Certainly dec- people in the White House. You have to go knock on doors, you're going to get some knows and slam doors, but you will find people who were willing to be truth tellers and that is and. That you can build a serious long-term relationship with difficult takes time. But that's where we've gotten out of the habit and I find myself that not only did I get out of the habit, but I was getting too lazy in you. There's a time in reporting on this eleven o'clock at night where I called somebody and said, how about now? And he said, now, you know, it's ridiculous. Eleven o'clock at night, go to bed. And I said, well, I'm just a few minutes away. They said, okay, come on. And that opened the door in the reality and it's vividly demonstrated in our book all the president's men and in the movie, Carl, going to the bookkeeper in in the Nixon re election committee, and that's really what began the unraveling. For us, the understanding of what Nixon was up to. Well, that obviously leads me first of all, I have to obviously say what we've said over and over again, that President Trump in the White House and many of the protagonists have denied what you have written. I mean, many of them have said, no. I didn't say that to call Bernstein to Bob Woodward and the president himself put out lots of tweets. Woodward book is a joke. Just another assault against me about Aaj of assaults using now. Disproven unnamed and anonymous sources. Okay. So that leads us to the very real question that so many of had and it's really is raised the issue of an honest sources to almost an Everest like level in the stratosphere of what we all do. I want to play just for posterity. The appearance by both of you much younger men forty years ago, nine hundred seventy six on meet the press about this very issue of anonymous sources. And the opening question is from Jack Nelson, I believe. L. a. times this take a listen. I think what disturbs a lot of journalists about the book is the methodology used both of you say that the book is his journalism, and yet you've written it from an omniscient viewpoint. That is you get into the minds of people you have made. You said you'd made no judgments. But in fact, you've made hundreds of judgments in book about how people feel about how they think about whether they're sad or whether they're happy and so forth, and you do all of this really from very omniscient standpoint. And what I wonder is, is this the full flowering of the new journalism? And do you think this is healthy or for journalism journalism already has a problem of credibility with with the public, and it's a public sees this journalism. I wonder if it is healthy used to anything. This book is not. It's new journalism, it's not new journalism. It's psycho history. It's very simply reporting the most basic empirical type reporting that you and I. Do every day. In fact, real similarities to be seen in your own stories and this particular piece of work, which is to say, we do use an honest sources just as you do in your stories daily about Washington, the differences. In this book, we don't use the phrase according to informed sources. After every second or third paragraph, we use quotation very sparingly in the book is you know, from reading it. And when we you say we get into people's minds of, we read people's minds. We, we do nothing of the kind well, just to take an example, the line in the book that that Fred bizarre, one of Nixon's chief Watergate, lawyers thought that president Nixon was one of the most transparent liars he had ever seen. Well, that is the bay. The basis of that is all sorts of people in the White House who heard bazaar say that time and time again in it simple, basic reporting. Guys, you haven't changed a bit. What can I say forty years ago? But look, this is a real issue a real live to Christiaan. A lot of people have book ends Bob's new book and with with the president of the United States today, Donald Trump being called by his lawyer as in the Nixon book and effing liar. The same thing forty two years later, the same methodology and the same conclusion by the president's lawyer about his client. Having said that a lot of people keep raising this issue of anonymous and and an worried about the credibility of anonymous, particularly the anonymous Neil times of ed- writer. So this is nothing to do with the New York Times up Ed writer whose not named in. They're not specific incidents in my book, I had the luxury of time, and if you look at it, you will see it will say a two pm on Tuesday, chin, January, or July fifteen. The following happened, and you will see a meeting and discussion of very substantive issues. The sources of that are known to me. Happily, I was able to get notes, files, diaries, actual documents, and some of them are reprinted in the book and they quoted from. Extensively, think about the alternative. You go over to the White House and you talk to Kellyanne, Conway, say and say, what's going on? And you turn on your tape recorder and say, this is on the record. What do you what's level of truth? Do you think you're gonna get? It's a press release. We do not want to give the public press releases. And so the avenue in is Carl, and I lived in this environment together in the Nixon case for two years. You cross check you double check. You try to find people and you can find people of conscience encourage, but don't. Let's not kid ourselves in. Let's not fool the public old that somehow it's going to be pure and true if it's on the record. Well, you know, that point is really interesting view is to to hear into understand to go back certainly to get it from the horse's mouth and with journalism that you've been doing for the last forty years. But I do want to also ask you both. Maybe Carl could sort of describe a little bit of what you bring up in the book. These are not exactly profiles in courage in a way. Some people have thought that your book is all about, you know, sort of sort of congress of the truth and stability, but you have an incredible story in the book which you think is going to reveal what somebody's saying about Trump, but is actually what somebody's saying about John Kelly, his chief of staff about his attention span about what he's interested in about how to present him with substance. So I guess you know the question is, what faith do you put in the people around the president? Well, there are all kinds of people and at all kinds. Of levels. And as we're trying to say, it's about reporting and you can do it and let's not kid ourselves in the White House in Trump way down. There is a level of anxiety that people have that my God, the impulse is going to drive the president to do one thing or another, like imposing steel tariffs ninety nine point, nine percent of the economists say, this is foolish. This is not gonna help the American economy and the president even keeps it secret from his top economic advisor in the White House and his chief of staff general Kelly at that time and call. I wonder whether you think one of the unintended consequences of these kinds of stories is, is something might happen to one of the gatekeepers. For instance, many. Many people believe the general now Defense Secretary, James Mattis is a man of great experience, great integrity and knows the military back to front and the global situation. Now we read in the newspapers that his position may be imperilled. Do you worry that the kinds of stories that Bob is richer and you know the kinds of reporting, he's done the kinds of stuff that you will do might have consequences that that caused some really true, true blue officials to pay with their jobs. No, because the truth is the best thing that we can have in terms of government secret government is Bob has said, is the enemy and what we need to know is more and more of the truth. We need to know more about the Trump presidency, not less and not sit on it. Let me say were Bob camp, can't say because he's can sometimes be modest about the his body of work that we know more about the American presidency going back to the Nixon books that we did together. But then through subsequent presidents, we know more about the American presidency and the real record of what happened during eight presidencies. Then then we would've known at all had it not been for Bob Woodward's books, but the whole idea that the president of the United States has declared a war on truth, which is really what what we're talking about here and called the press the enemy of the people, the press being. The only reason that we really know about what's been going on in this presidency and particularly the way Bob has put this book together. This is where we are today. We have a war on truth and happily, we still have a free press that is doing its job and doing it well, so many, many people would agree with you, and it does seem to be, you know, a the latest iteration of this adversarial role to an degree. But Bob, I, I need to ask you because you've also kind of criticized the press writ large over the Trump coverage. And you've said, I just think too many people have lost their perspective and become emotionally uninjured about. Trump. I can understand that, but that's not the way the media should respond. The media should respond with what really happened. You know, what do you mean by that and how should the media? I think it's very clear. You know, sometimes people get in a mode particularly until a vision of self-satisfaction kind of smugness about it. All in is Carl has said, you look at the Trump White House and what's going on. We need to have a wakeup call about it and there there should be no joy or comfort that people feel whether in the press or citizens this is is I describe it. This is a full-fledged nervous breakdown and if you know anything about nervous breakdowns, they're tough on the individual in an institution, let alone a White House. A whole administration is I quote people in book same. We're teetering around on the edge and there is no doubt about this. You in. You can see it when. People who defend the president fine. Let them have their say and they come out and they give this this portrait of like the president himself has the well oiled machine. 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I often find myself telling the same stories stories about my mother teaching sex Ed stories about playing college basketball stories about playing NBA basketball and almost dying in the process. We all do this. We tell stories on dates because dates or when we get to explain where we've been and what we've seen in why we think like we do my name is Paul Shirley, and I hope you'll check out my new narrative podcast stories I tell on dates, you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. So as we've caused no, the Watergate reporting of both these gentlemen defined an era and in a very different way. Now, my next guest, the actress, Sarah, Jessica Parker also captured the guise of a different era. The turn of the century, it was with the runaway TV hit sex and the city Parker is known for her shoes, her style and her acting chops, but who knew that she is not only an inveterate avid reader. She is also a brand new publish up launching her own imprint called s j. p. for Hogarth, in partnership with penguin Random House. Its first title, a place for us by the young novelist, Fatima, foreign MIR's up, landed straight on the New York Times. Bestseller list Mirza takes us inside a Muslim American family is they struggled against expectations of culture and heritage religion and marriage in post nine, eleven America. A place for us is as I discovered really a book for our times. Sarah, Jessica Parker, and Fatima. Farhan Measor join me here nuke recently for own private book club meeting. Welcome both to the program FOX. I mean, you started to write this. I think when you're about seventeen or eighteen years old eighteen you're now around twenty seven. So it took nearly a decade not quite and obviously when you started to write it preceded the current hype, apart is on feelings. Certainly about foreigners about immigrants about refugees and all the rest of it. What was it that made you want to write this book? So I find that you bring that up because that's something that I'm very relieved about. Now when I that, that I began it before, all of this that that which allowed me to approach this family. My goal when approaching them was that I wanted to, I wanted to, I knew the labels at the world might sign on them, and I knew the notion p conceived notions that people might have about a Muslim American family post nine eleven. But for me, I always wanted to protect them from that and approached them as as characters as individuals and ask them. You know every time I sat down the page, what is the story to you? And what are you? What is your life? Like when you're alone suit sooner just go, what did you most connect with? I mean, this is the story of Layla and Rafique the parents who bring up the daughters. The eldest one is Hadiah the, the brother is Amman. There's another sister whose name I've just forgotten. Exactly right. And it, it really does delve on their childhoods on their -bility to integrate within the American community that they that they grew up in, but he's also has a lot to do with love. There's so much that is compelling about the book. And I think what I. What I saw it immediately. And then I think what you reacted to disaster, which was a thrill for all of us is that it's a book with with with big themes, you know, and and it is a book about love, but it's also a book about what it means to be an American family and all its plurality today, it's a book about what it is to love an honor, those who sacrifice for you, how to be an observant person and choose to be observant in your own way. How do you honor your face but also carve a place for yourself in the world, what it is to be a first generation American to be a first generation American Muslim today, how you see yourself in what people project onto you. And you know the sacrifices we make for children for love. It's about parenting and missed opportunities and loving wrong. Sometimes, you know, it's it's, I think it's and it's it's sweeping. And so it feels. Big in those ambitions, but but the but the but the those inner monologues because there's so many quiet moments because they're not being candid with one another. They're so careful around one another. They're so polite and in principled that we get to be inside the bodies of these characters. And I think it's about all of them's socially. This book was conceived and written in the practically immediate post nine eleven off mouth. And there is a section in the book where the father Rafique tells his daughters who a head job wearing scoff wearing girls, religious observant girls in observe and family not to wear the hijab in case when they go to school in case they get backlash, you yourself used to wear the hejab and then you didn't write what? Tell me about that Evelyn. Yeah. So I hit job for many years. I worked from when I was nine to twenty two, but actually that scene where the father asks us autre to take off there. Hit job in the direct aftermath of nine eleven. That was a very personal scene for me. Although at the time I was in fifth grade and Hadja an hood, the are juniors and seniors. So that was something that I was very confusing as a child because you you, you don't quite know what's happening and you and you don't know exactly why something new has to change if you've been if you're just being who you are. Right. But my my journey with the job, it's been, it's been, it's it's not one that I can speak of. So simply I, I wore it for many years with intention and it was my decision. And when I when I took it off, it's not. So it's not that I just didn't want to wear it anymore. So I took it off. It's also because I was aware of how I grew up in a family where the women were hit job, and so I was aware of how much pride, my mother and my cousins taken wearing it and what it means to them. And as I got older, I. Began to realize that my own individual relationship with my faith or with with the hitch OB. It wasn't one that necessarily I felt. Oh, thank you. I felt that's girlfriends. Yes. Yeah, yeah, that I felt as wholeheartedly in that decision as I saw my, my mother and my cousins and I so much respected admired what it meant for them to wear it. And so because I recognized both in myself struggle, I, I decided not to wear it anymore. What really frustrated me when I when I spoke to my friends and my, you know, people who are not in my family about it, the reaction I received was, oh, now you're liberated, but that was so hurtful because what was I all the years before when I was acting out of wanting to where obviously there's so much territory covered in the book and I don't want anybody who's not ready yet to feel like it's a burden to read because it really isn't. It's wonderfully e it's a gift for readers because it just takes you. But that's another interesting puzzled, I think all the children in the family are trying to figure out their own relationship to their faith, which they don't. Resent, but it's an Christians like people examine their faith. You know, when people are observant, it's it means something to ask those really hard questions. And it's so admirable. I think to to try to fillet it a little bit for for reader in fiction and to see how you know how Amar misunderstands what the expectations are because of words that have been exchanged, you know, and how Rafique is so misguided and ill equipped to be nuanced about they, you know. And so you know these, how fought describes those choices. That's a big part of this book. It really is a story for for these days, particularly as I said in the current environment. Going back to Sarah, Jessica Parker of sex in the city and the whole, you know, girlfriends. I wanna play this clip because it goes to the heart actually who knew of your of your respect for books and the power of writing. There can be many tortured moments in the life of someone who spends her days writing books. The antidote to them moments is the moment. The finished book finally arrives never true would never sure, but it's fun. You never get what it really meant until now, though. Yeah, and then you appeared on the red carpet and all so long ago with a novel instead of a cool designer handbag, did I? Yes. You dish? I show you the picture. Yes. What was it? I don't know. I was going to ask you. Oh yeah, my hand. Yeah, I can't help myself. I, yeah. I mean, I've been reading my wrenches Rita. We we, I grew up in a house where there were lots of rules and and one of them was that you weren't allowed to to leave the house without something to read and even. That was applied to those of us who yet knew how to read because my mother just felt like just simple exposure to books and stories. If we would go to a museum, we'd say, oh, it's going to get bored, and she saved find bench and sit down. And that's why you have a book with you. If you go to the symphony, you bring a book. And so my mother, I have many memories of my mother in carpool, the red light. My mother had a book and a lap. She'd be reading, beep, beep, beep. We tap on the shoulder, mommy, the Light's green. So all of us were readers, and then we came to that choice on our own. And for me as as you travel so much, I think been my most relied run live. My most relied upon companion are books, you know, and the ability to to escape to be in somebody else's life and the more four. And frankly, the more that it's not known the more unlike myself and my life. The more interesting I find it. What fact good or not so good. Do you think sex in the city had on girls around the world. I'm not sure that I'm best suited to answer that. I think that in in some ways it's it has been might continue as new generations discover the show. I think it's been good in terms of the kinds of. The feeling that people can. Talk about their their intimate lives that they have a voice in it that they can be who they authentically are you know whether it's how they choose to live sexually or the kinds of exchanges they share with friends and intimate friends. And I think I think for while there was an emphasis on sort of this sort of superficial stuff, which was always titillating and fun, but not as important as the journey of friendship and the search for home in love. So can I ask you little bit about your own postal life? I don't know any of this is autobiographical in your book a place for us. But when you told your family, you actually wants to be a right. What did they say? I mean, what was you'll you'll prescribe route through life as far as your family was concerned? That's a very interesting question. You know, when I first moved away to go to UC riverside, I was. I had struck a deal with my dad that if I studied premed, I would be able to move to oversight. And so it was actually there that I started writing this novel because I was taking creative writing classes as a way to honor what I had always known that it wanted. I, my father was shocked that I was not going to be a doctor eventually came around, but then he was to issue Iowa writers workshop and got an immediately just like one of the most coveted. In the country that actually did help my father then decide like, okay, maybe she can do. She's yeah, but my father would always call me and say, you know, can you write a novel like hunger games? Can you right? He's like five. I'm just worried that no one's gonna care about this family that no one's going to read the story. And honestly, that was also my fear but high cared about them until I was going to. I was going to do my, you know, best talent ex just Pokka fought him up for him us. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks. We turn now to the story of an insider on a huge and powerful phenomenon, Facebook and the whole Facebook factor. They continued to dominate headlines and congressional hearings what once was seen as a purely positive force in our lives, connecting old high school friends and cemented new friendships has since twenty sixteen lost some of that luster, the Trump election showing how easily the platform was gained by the Russians trying to. Tipu late Americans, emotions and their votes my colleague and the award winning biographer. Walter Isaacson has just spoken with someone who soared from a privileged position inside the Silicon Valley cosel Walter, you've just been speaking, tell us who tell us what he came up with its Alex Dhamma some wonderful guy who was chief security officer over Facebook, and as we wind up to the two thousand sixteen elected, this is not a job in retrospect that you wanted to have. And we talked about how the evidence started coming in that the Russians were both hacking our election and then using young kids to try to mess with our minds through Facebook and the frightening thing about his interview was he said, nobody's trying to stop it. The Republicans have blocked in the plans to try to halt this Facebook is making some efforts, but not enough, and it's too late to stop it for the midterms this year, but we gotta start working now if we don't want the Russians to hack as in two thousand eighteen here, listen to. Of what he had to say. You were chief security officer for Facebook and the twenty sixteen election, which seems like a pretty tough job, especially in retrospect, when did you start getting the sense that something was going? Definitely awry with Russians hacking our election. The actual direct hacking didn't happen on Facebook, but we did see after the hacks against the DNC and jump in his Email Colin Powell's Email. We saw them come back and create personas, fake personas of American individuals behind an organization that they called leaks. They set up their own WikiLeaks effectively. They wanted to how did you discover that people were setting up fake news sites to give this information? So the that's Pacific Russian activity was in the fall and we shut it down during the entire election. There's this whole debate around fake news and a real question of who was behind it, but it wasn't until after the election that we really dove into trying to figure out is fake. News mostly a government phenomenon or something that's financially motivated. And it turns out as we figured out kind of in the spring of two thousand seventeen the majority of what people were calling fake news, the pope, endorses Trump Hillary has cancer of stories. Majority of those stories are actually driven by financially motivated spammers people who are trying to create lots and lots of click Beatty headlines to make money on ads. So twenty sixteen, I remember people talking about Russia to influence election with these things you didn't know about it. We knew that they were pushing stories we did at that point, did not know about the large cluster of activity that was found in two thousand seventeen or the people at the Obama administration, homeland security people. All new Russia was putting out trying to meddle in the election through the internet research agency. I'm surprised you didn't know well to be clear. They were talking specifically around the hacking league campaign and we got some information from the government around that. We got nothing from the government around thyroid. IRA. How could you not know that these are fake accounts coming from weird people in Saint Petersburg, using proxy service. I think one of the issues was. We were looking for the traditional kinds of hacking activity that we saw from Jerry you. We were looking for people to break into accounts to steal data to spread malware. There. The creation of groups whose entire job it is to look for organized propaganda activity that didn't exist either at Facebook or honestly anywhere in the industry at the time, but we weren't by then it was a large coordinated group of people who want really who they said they were. It was clear these one real Americans. Having real opinions wasn't clear in nobody. There's a lot of talk about Russian activity, and there is obvious Russian activity around the DNC hacks in the Podesta. But there was no body of of data that we could use to find the IRA that was never whenever the government had. They didn't share who you don't know. You can't find out if large amounts of information being pushed through Facebook. You can't find out where it's coming from and say, hey, that's weird. This isn't sound right. Nobody's sitting there approving these posts, right? Like these platforms allow people to communicate in real time. What you can do is later look for is their activity that looks like it's coordinated or these accounts tied together in a weird way, or do you have geographical. Links, but those links are not always obvious and actually took a pretty large effort that Facebook took on voluntarily and internally to go find and stop that activity. But honestly, it was in the end tiny portion of the overall discourse, it did seem to have an effect what has it certainly has an effect and it had an effect in which direction what were they trying to do? Well, again, there's two totally different canton badly IRA right? The campaign directly targeted Hillary Clinton. The IRA campaign is much more dispersed. It started before the election and it's lasted afterwards. Their goal is to get people not to trust each other online in America. They want us to believe that our political opponents are the craziest. You hold the craziest, wildest versions of any argument. And so that's why they will pretend to be, for example, a black lives matter activists and in doing so we'll push forward much more radical positions than anybody who is legitimately part of that movement. And then on the other side, they'll have a. Police group that will specifically reference that group saying, oh my God, look how they're both fake, but they're both fake. I'm gonna ask a broader philosophical question because we wandered into it. If we would trying to fix the social media ecosystem that was supposed to bring us together and make us better, wouldn't. We try to find ways to have a little bit less anonymity, allow people some freedoms to maybe used a pseudonym, but make sure that just as in the real world, if you really did something bad, you could be tracked down. So. In most cases, I think people can be tracked down under lawful process on most of the major sites, and you're right. This is an interesting problem and that you have the spectrum where you have more nitty means more freedom, but also a lot more abuse versus sites with less. The median, I think Facebook's actually on the far side of less intimately compared to almost any other major platform you have like the Twitter's and the YouTube and the middle where people are pseudo anonymous, but don't have to tie that account to the real identity. And on the most anonymous, you have the chance in each hands and you can see from anybody who's visited those sites. They become pretty aggressively hostile poisonous, communities, very, very quickly. So we see then a spectrum where the more pure anonymity, you have the more hostile and aggressive people become just sociological phenomenon. We discovered with the invention of social networks, and then you get to a Facebook which has a little bit less anonymity. Shouldn't we have some. Some way where we can have civil discourse that even more authenticated than Facebook is maybe. I think one of I think about is we're talking about this from very US Centric perspective and something like ninety percent of Facebook's users are not American, right? And we got to be careful about thing. You hear you and I can post things on Facebook against our government under our real names and not face legal repercussions. That is not true for huge chunk of people in the world. And you said that you take some responsibility in retrospect, what do you feel responsible for that you wish you had done differently? I wish we'd had dedicated teams looking just for the propaganda and you know, we were a security team, the chief security officer. We are focused on information security, but it turns out that the vast majority of harm that happens online is not tied to technical security issues. It's the technically correct use of our products to cause harm, and that includes disinformation misinformation. So I do wish that we had constituted that that team before the election that we had seen the warning signs. Means you think Facebook and Twitter have good teams like that. Now. I can't speak to other companies. I think Facebook is built a really good team. The. Question is like how much is enough is always going to be a difficult. Is it big enough? Is it good enough is always going to be hard to answer because the truth is we're also reacting to what happened in two thousand sixteen. There's so much focus specifically on Russia specifically in the US election, two thousand sixteen that we're kind of missing the big picture of what has happened since then the texture of how this information misinformation has worked in the election since the US is actually quite different. You said when you get signs that something's going awry, you call the government all government agencies. I know if a missile hit the Facebook campus, you know exactly who to call if a burglar came in, you'd call the local police. Is there one sort of nine one one number you call in the US government or is it to defuse the way the US government handles this? Yeah, I think this is actually a problem in the US is that we have. We don't have a single agency whose responsibility is to prevent cyber attacks against American assets, including disinformation information, but also including. The traditional security threats and effectively where we've ended up is the FBI is playing that role, and there's a lot of really good competent people there, but they're, they are structured as an organization to investigate crimes after they happen and to indict people that are within the reach of the US legal. And the truth is that's just not how attacks work. We, there's nobody who's really motivated to prevent things from happening to build the relationships with the companies that can prevent the activity in the first place. And perhaps in that case, burn the opportunity for legal action. And do you think part of the problem is, as you said, congressional Republicans after all this happened to said, okay, that was fine. We're not doing anything about it. Yeah. As a country, we're not going to be able to respond to this problem unless we all agree. It's a problem, right? Just imagine, Pearl Harbor happens in half the country believes it was hoax. We, there's no way we could have mobilized the homeland and win World War Two. And that's. It feels like we are right now that we're in a place where significant percentage of the country believes that nothing happened in two thousand sixteen and to be honest of all the people in government. I think Gresham Republicans have some of the most responsibility for that because they have slowed down, investigations, have reduced the certainty people have in. It would be very, very powerful to see both Republicans and Democrats speaking with one voice that this is not something that the United States is going to allow in passing legislation to secure elections to give the proper authorities to regulate the online ad ecosystem, but they don't do it because they can't get past the idea that that calls into question the election of two thousand sixteen, and we just got to say, okay, Trump's president he won. Let's move on and think about where we're going because the other risks are running. Here's I think Republicans think that this is always going to be a good thing for them countries getting involved in our election. And that's not, yeah. When North Korea, Iran and China do it. And so two electing Democrats, right, right. And the Republican playbook is out there. Anybody who's paying attention who reads the reports that we've put out the government's put out the indictments. You can recreate the entire Russian playbook from the outside, and there's nothing technically sophisticated that the Chinese can't do the Iranians the North Koreans, and you go up to Capitol Hill to talk to some of these people alive. I think on the Senate side, you have Senator Mark Warner and Senator Burr democrat and Republican trying to work together, but not getting too far yet, but several. But on the house side, it's much different. Right, right. Yes. Yeah, you have to give us an until committee credit that they have been able to accept the peace precept that we were attacked in two thousand sixteen and that they have to do something about it. They haven't done anything, right? So I mean, there is that component we are almost two years out and there hasn't been any actual legislation that's come out and there hasn't, I think, honestly, as a country, what we've missed was the opportunity for something like nine eleven commission. We really should have had a non partisan non political investigation because one of the benefits we had of the nine eleven commission is there are lots of arguments about whose fault things were and over the legislation. But the basic set of facts in that document were generally agreed upon by the vast majority of the political. Okay. So tell me what should be done. It's a little bit too late for the twenty thousand nine midterms. Is that right? Yes, I think we've, we've definitely missed our shot to collectively respond in the effectively in two thousand eighteen. There are people indeed doing work that people in the FBI doing the work. There's people at the tech companies doing work. It's not very well coordinated and as a country, we have not done the big picture things that we need. If you think of all of the components of the. Len ecosystem that were weaponized. The component I think we need to be most concerned about is advertising because that is a very powerful way to find in reach people who are vulnerable to your message. And that's not just in the case of foreign influence. We have to be really careful about what we allow our politicians to do online versus traditional advert. And so give me the Alex Domos plan. One thing we've got to look at is who is responsible for the actual security of election infrastructure. DHS was granted power on the last day of the Obama administration department of homeland security, but they couldn't get the states to buy in exactly. And they're working really hard, but they don't have the power. They don't have the resources they have no thority. Is that partly because the Trump administration doesn't want this? I think one of the big issues right now is that there's no cyber security coordinator in the White House. And so as a result, you have all the agencies trying to do their best. But part of the goal of the White House and the national Security Council is to knock their heads together. And to get everybody going the same direction and that doesn't exist. We need to push this responsibility to the states. There's a number of states that have central security teams that are highly competent Colorado is probably the best example that I've personally worked with every state needs to have a cybersecurity center on elections who can support then all of the cities and counties over ten thousand local election authorities. We can't have ten thousand competent security teams, but we can have fifty. And so we need to have federal legislation to support that to give them access to intelligence to do clearances for the people because they're going to need access to NSA FBI data. But we gotta push that responsibility to the states to run their own elections. They should also be held accountable for that. And what should Facebook and other social media giants do? There needs to be more transparency. Now, this is work. It's difficult because those pages and those pseudo anonymous Twitter accounts are also what drove democracy movements and Egypt in order being used by the resistance in Thailand to fight the military who are being used in Turkey. And so there's a lot of autocrats would love to have transparency by the way all of those movements failed in a way. That's right. Yeah. And that's, I think one of the sad when we look back at the herbs spring and all these other democracy movements, there's only been a couple of positive long-term stories for the most part, the autocrats have the empire has struck back, right? The autocrats have figured out how to I neutralize the risk from social media and then to weaponize it against their own movements. So what are you doing now both to address this and to make sure average citizens students at Stanford can address it? Yeah. So I've joined Stanford as an adjunct professor and one of the things I want to work on his is solving that problem of how do we build an institutional memory in Silicon Valley of all the ways people have caused harm before so that when you launch a product, you have thought adversary. You have thought about the problems at Facebook or Google, or Twitter or YouTube faced, and you have put solutions in place so that you don't have to scramble afterwards and make exc. Uses of like, how could we possibly know that this problem that's existed for years happened over again and so on a student in your class, and I'm saying professor Stomas it didn't work out the way your generation thought social media didn't help democracy. Even around the world didn't help democracy at home. It didn't bring us together. It led to a lot of bullying and divisiveness, what did you do. On. And what would you do next time? What we have to do is we have to stop building products just for our selves. Silicon Valley has a serious diversity issue as a lot of people know. A lot of people look like me. They come from backgrounds like mine, computer science degree from an elite school. Backgrounds at allow us to get into good colleges access to capital. Those kinds of issues mean that a lot of people look the same and have the same abuse. We have to. I build diverse teams from day one, not staple on diversity wait later, and the second is when we build products, we have to think atmosphere. Really. We have to from day one, not just think this is how I want my product to be used. This is on my parents will use it in my friends will use it. You got to think about all the bad guys out there, but even if point, one percent of the planet or people who really want to cause harm that is tens of millions of people on these platforms. And you have to imagine that from day one that those people exist understand what they want, understand what they've done in the past in think about your product with Alex Thomas. Thank you for joining us. Yeah, thank you sir. Really important point there about diversity versus silos and a note about what's coming up tomorrow when Oscar winning actress. Sally field is here the all American star who I saw to success as the flying nun is out now with a decidedly raw and revealing memoir in pieces that is it for our program. Thanks for watching and remember to listen to a podcast see us online and follow me on Facebook and Twitter.

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Impeachment witness Vindman: Trump is infatuated with Putins power

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Impeachment witness Vindman: Trump is infatuated with Putins power

"A quick. Thanks to one of our sponsors helped make this podcast possible Monday dot com when your teamwork is effective, nothing can stop you Monday. Dot Com is a flexible teamwork platform designed to manage any size team in any sized project online plan manage and track everything your team is working on in one centralized place. You get to stay in sync with your team and never chase each other for updates again, Monday dot com is the easiest way to keep everyone aligned. So if you want your team to be more focused than ever visit Monday dot Com for your free two week trial. Begin tonight with another Bob Woodward. Take at this point it's another day another Woodward. Actually today Bob Woodward released two new audio tapes of his conversations with President trump. Well. Okay. Three technically but the third one included material that we've already seen in the Washington Post I report of Bob Woodward's book last week we saw that. We just got to hear the audio of it today for the first time. The latest tapes released tonight shows, Donald Trump telling Bob Woodward something he has never said publicly. About how deadly the corona viruses. This thing is a killer that gets you. You're the wrong person. You don't have a chance. Yes. Yes. Exactly. This is a score. And the plank. Herman Cain was the wrong person using the higher age group that's particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus. Herman Cain attended the last indoor trump rally before the trump campaign temporarily stopped having rallies. Herman, Cain died of Gerona virus six weeks later. At Age seventy four Herman Cain didn't wear a mask at the trump rally. People were not doing much social distancing at that rally and last night in Nevada when Donald. Trump had his first indoor rally since the Rally Herman Cain attended most people were not wearing masks and most people were not social distancing. and. They were doing that after Bob. Woodward revealed last week that Donald Trump knows how deadly the corona virus is and has always known how deadly is and has never told those people at at those rallies Bob Woodward's revelations so far seem to be having absolutely no effect on Donald Trump followers who risk their lives by gathering at trump rallies without masks without social distancing donald trump make sure That he's the only person. Who Social distances from everyone at trump rallies he explained to Nevada reporter. Why he doesn't worry about his rallies. Knocking Sir I'm more concerned about. because. You know why? I'm calm on a stage it's far away. On a stage very far away. So he say. And another tape Bob Woodward released today of conversation with the President on August fourteenth. Here that Donald Trump has no idea why he is losing to Joe Biden in every poll of the presidential campaign including the latest foxhole chose Joe Biden at fifty one and Donald Trump at forty six in their conversation about the presidential campaign Bob. Woodward. Tries and fails to get the president to see the relationship between controlling the coronavirus and rebuilding the economy. It's going to be. A contest between you and Beieve knits, it's going to be a contest between both of you and the virus, the virus. Is said because it's in real people's lives. All those tens of millions of people who don't have jobs who don't have. That listen. I mean you you. Could have been done nothing been done. Early we'll. We'll. This will be the history that we start the first draft of. and. Will Continue and I think the virus totally procedure economy. Sure, but the related is you know. A little bit I maybe a little bit but. The economy is doing look what close to a new stock market record. Nothing more could have been done. Controlling the coronavirus and rebuilding the economy are not just related a little bit. They are the same thing but I'll trump can't see that and trump seems to make the mistake of thinking the stock market is the economy and so donald trump doesn't know that half of the people in his hometown where the stock market happens to be located do not know how they are going to pay for their housing as the cold winter months approach winter months that could combine a second wave of the corona virus with the seasonal flu Bob Woodward. has never seen anything like it. He has seen every president since Richard Nixon in a way that no one else in American history has seen so many presidents Bob Woodward has gotten inside of every White House since the Nixon White, house and seen the president inaction through the words of the people working most closely with that present, and sometimes through the words of that President himself in interviews with Bob. Woodward for his now nineteen books, most of them about the closed door deliberations of nine presidents in a row in his new book rage. Bob. Woodward begins with a description of donald trump being told how deadly the corona virus could be. In a White House meeting on January twenty eighth the State of the Union address was on February fourth just days after the president was told how deadly the coronavirus would be and how it would be the most difficult challenge his presidency had faced. He gave his State of the Union address to Congress of forty million people watched it. He had an opportunity eat he's. Very a kind of. Not kind of he said, well, we're doing everything possible at at that moment if Flight Franklin Roosevelt after Pearl Harbor had told the American people the truth. A lot more could have been done it. It is one of those shocks. For me having written about nine presidents that the president of the United States possess the specific knowledge that could have saved lives. Historians are going to be writing about the loss month of February. For ten years. It's not easy to shock Bob Woodward who covered the Nixon presidency remember. That was Bob Woodward on the today show today expressing his shock that the president possessed specific knowledge that could have saved lives. And on the today show Bob Woodward. At how Donald Trump seems proud proud of how he gets along with cruel dictators and not the leaders of democratic societies. He decides and he has decided Oh, I'm going to get along with Putin I'm going to get a along with the crown prince of Saudi. Arabia. NBS but I and I'm going to try to get along with Kim Jong on the leader of North Korea but not. South Korea and he he just smears, South Korea time and time again in my interviews he has he is the face of the United States to the world and he is said and their ideas hey, look I get along with these. Bad guys, but not the good guys. Woodward. Who will join us on this program on Wednesday night released this tape. On the today show this morning Donald Trump describing his relationship with Erdogan of Turkey who crushes to sent in his country. Very Gun. With. Guys but for the Sake of. The relationship I have. The The. either. Explain that to be day of the big data bad. The IF. You don't get along with as much. An interview with Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic Retired Lieutenant Colonel Alexander van men who served on the national security team in the trump White House calls president trump Vladimir Putin's useful idiot. President trump should be considered to be a useful idiot and a fellow traveler which makes him an unwitting agent of Putin, they may or may not have dirt on him, but they don't have to use it. He says, they have more effective and less risky ways to employ him. He has aspirations to be the kind of leader that Putin is and so he admires him he likes authoritarian strong men who act with impunity without checks and balances so he'll try to please. been. been. Continues in the army we call this free chicken something you don't have to work for it just comes to you. This is what the Russians have in trump. Free Chick. Here's Colonel Veneman with Lester Holt tonight on NBC nightly news. The president suggested you are a never-trumper are you a never trumper? I joined this administration I I joined the President's team I joined this administration. Well into this administration with the hopes of being able to do my job with the hopes of being able to advance US national security interests. I could say that I am now a never-trumper. Trump before I was nonpartisan. Would regardless of what administration I would just try to do the best I could convince Vance national security interests but I think as the presence attacked politicized me directly we and. In taking a very sober view of. Where this president is taking this country two divisions. The catering to to our adversaries, the undermining over national security interests that I absolutely never trumper. Leading off our discussion. Tonight is Peter Struck, former FBI counterintelligence agents and the author of the new book compromised counterintelligence and the threat of Donald J trump. Peter. Struck thank you very much for joining us today. We really appreciate it and I want you to take up the question that Donald Trump just asked, we heard a mascot on audio of of Bob. Woodward's is. Explained to him why he's attracted to dictators instead of the leaders of democratic societies say in Western Europe who've been our traditional allies. Let's a staggering statement Lawrence and I. Thank you for having me. It's great to be here when you look at the president, who's the leader of the United States who should be up until this administration, the beacon in the free world for Democracy for all the values that we hold as American values into set, that example for the world to be. Saying something like that where he I think at some point, he may have said as much tougher for him to get along with Theresa May or Allah Miracle It's staggering that should be the opposite. We shouldn't have a precedent cozying up to dictators to authoritarian and rather should be promoting American values rather than embracing those which are anesthetic to our own. What about? Colonel vitamins formulation of Donald Trump as the useful idiot as the possibly unwitting agent of Ladimir Putin, no one knows more about a Russian operations like this than you do. That was your specialty at the FBI. Has a lot of merit I mean look I recruited people to work for the United States for over twenty years I worked against those who were trying to recruit those within the US and there are a ton of motivations I mean the big categories of those of money. Ideology coercion or EGO, and the issue is when you look at our president, he has vulnerabilities in each and every one of those areas. So I certainly agree with Colonel Edmonds observations. This is coming from a man who fled the Soviet Union with his father and his two brothers who went into the army for career who served in wartime who's wounded and more time. This is not a partisan statement compare that to Senator Coats the former director of National Intelligence, a sixteen year senator a Republican senator from Indiana. This isn't a partisan issue. This is a national security issue in all of us should be paying attention. Let's listen to more about what a Colonel Women told. Lester. Holt about his view of Donald Trump and Putin. Some some people have actually called. I'll kind of a love affair. I think he's at minimum fascinated rated and I think he's in trach rated with Putin's power he's infatuated with the power of authoritarian leaders that could. That could govern with impunity. As King in former times that was on an unaccountable tears people on accountable to. Any other. Checking Force. In our case, we have three branches of government. Purely to establish a balance between them and the president doesn't appreciate that the president has a very strong authoritarian. Streak. Historic reaction to to that point about the presence authoritarian streak which we've all seen. But I think it's absolutely valid and again, it goes to the point of any professional intelligence service is going to try to find an exploit as many vulnerabilities as they can for any individual. So again, when you look at president trump's demonstrated behavior, the statements he made the Bob Woodward he clearly has an affinity somewhere between ego or or or something that is drawing him to that behavior on top of what I've written about and talked about extensively about his financial entanglements that also creates a vulnerability for So new look at the totality of his behavior. Counterintelligence perspective that's an absolute nightmare, and it's something that you know is not gotten better is not improved with time and represents a real threat right now as we sit here and twenty twenty, you are a part of the molar investigation at the beginning of but and you weren't there at the end. But but at the end, it turns out, they did not pursue any real investigation of Donald Trump's finances especially, his foreign elements of his financing was that something you expected at the beginning of the investigation would be investigated. Expected the FBI would invested special counsel ballers mandate was very focused on violation of criminal law and the team their results speak for itself when you look at the scores of charges, indictments prosecutions. That stands alone. There was always a need to counter intelligence look in when I was setting up the team and the FBI component of that. My feeling was that the FBI would absolutely dive into that. Now, I don't know what happened after I left after a return to the FBI it may be going on and it would be appropriate that we don't hear about it but I am concerned that there doesn't seem to be. If that had occurred I would've expected to see a lot of fighting courts to prevent the release of financial records and I have some concern that the sort of robust counterintelligence look may not occurred and that concerns me. Here struck the new book is compromised by Peter. Struck. Thank you very much for starting us off tonight. Really appreciate. Large thanks for having me. Thank you and journey are and now has been roads is a former deputy national security advisor to President Obama. He is an MSNBC political analyst and Ben Another Day, and it turns out today technically three more Woodward tapes released showing Donald Trump saying this is a killer. He knew that long before. He had Herman Cain sitting there at his last closed last indoor rally before last night's indoor rally. He's known this all along and here's the president still trying to downplay it saying in. Nevada. Last night, we've turned the corner on the coronavirus. Lawrence the amazing thing in watching this whole Woodward Book. Is having, been in the White House for a couple of books I'm back in the Bush administration I was a source for of usually it's the reporting that he does around the president degenerates the attention. He's are things Donald Trump said he wanted to set. He felt no shame about saying since he felt no shame about saying that he was aware that. This was a much more deadly disease he was saying publicly, but he didn't want to play it up and wanted to play it down. He had no shame about saying that in private about Woodward, this can be a serious for young people in say publicly a very different thing you time and again, and now a him saying, this is a killer able. Time, and again, what's astonishing year is that he believes. He can say one thing publicly that is totally counter to the truth. Including Mules as was said a sense impugning that there's no accountability for him. To say extraordinary things like this, but to do nothing to try to save the lives of tens of thousands markets. This is his awards. We don't need any of the background record here in. It's right there in front of us to render judgment as American people the American cancer. Aben a bubble is going to be here, Wednesday, night and when you mention having been a source in one of his previous books. Had that same experience being a source for a Bob. Woodward in a book about the Clinton. Presidency. The first year of the Clinton Presidency when basically all of the Clinton agenda had to come through the Senate committee I was working on. Tell the audience what it's like when a White House is basically a knows that a Woodward book is in progress in Bob Woodward is getting through and talking to just about everyone. That may that has anything important to say? About the story Bob Woodward is trying to find and basically how everyone goes on hyper alert and plans for the discussion with Bob. Woodward. As if it's going to be a supreme court argument because what you hear from Donald Trump is such a casual approach to this conversation which bobber accurately puts it is the first draft of history. Source for the Obama would books to. Helping to coordinate that effort to talk about what I remember about dealing with Bob Woodward is he would focus like a laser on the present. He always wanted to understand the occupant of audits and ensure he was mildly interested in some of the machinations around the president, but wanted to understand the nature of the president and he was measuring against this week or full street and I think what is so glaring about this book Is Look Lawrence. We live in the news cycle we have to deal with these daily outrageous, but let's take a step back you. Imagine several years ago. Someone told you that we would be sitting. You're talking about a precedent. United States. Who did nothing to prevent the de tens of thousands of people even though he knew that this was a deadly disease and even born, this would be the greatest vice president imagine a president United States as Tae, who is the face of American the world it's not just the face of America to American twitter users boasting about his affinity for GT's suggesting that he's more comfortable dictators than. With our democratic allies when we're supposed to be the leader of the free world because Bob Woodward has that focus on the presidency and the asses longview misery nine presidents. It's not about the new cycle. It's about why is this man president? How is he possibly fit for office? These are the things he thinks but says, allow journalists like Bob Hoover and I think that's why is so clarifying. Focuses directly not that drama around. Whether. Is. Getting along I'm like, no, this is the character and nature incompetence of the man will occupy the same office the Franklin. Delano. Roosevelt Abraham Lincoln on. It and we Americans have to absorb that Kennedy very seriously as we have two days left until them watch and you pick two presidents who very carefully told the country, the absolute truth of just how grave the danger was that they were facing and the civil war and in World War. Two Ben Rhodes. Thank you both very much for joining us. Thank you for joining US along with A. Agent who was with us at the beginning of the conversation. Thank you very much been really appreciate it. When we come back Neil Ti will join us at the end of the hour tonight with new developments in the Roger. Stone case reported exclusively by NBC News Today. But next Donald Trump was confronted by science today in California. The video of that confrontation has gone viral today in the men who confronted Donald Trump in. California. 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Tonight thousands of firefighters continue to try to contain the deadly wildfires that have burned more than five million acres of land in California Washington and Oregon at least thirty, five people have been killed as a result of the fires in these states and dozens more are missing today Donald Trump visited McLellan Park California near Sacramento where fire recently burned more than three, hundred, sixty, three, thousand acres today Joe Biden criticized president trump's lack of leadership in combating climate change which has led to increased temperatures in California that have fueled the fires. Joe Biden called Donald Trump a climate arsonist. If you give a climate arsonist four more years in the white. House. Why would anyone be surprised if we have more, America blaze. Vive a climate denier four more years in the White House. Why would anyone be surprised? When more of America's underwater? Donald Trump blamed the fires on forest management in a briefing for the president. California's Secretary for Natural Resources. Wade. Crow. Foot. Confronted the president on Climate Science. As the governor said, we've had temperatures explode this summer. You may have learned that we broke a world record and the Death Valley hundred and thirty degrees but even greater la one hundred and twenty plus degrees, and we're seeing this warming trend, make our summers warmer but also our winters warmer as well. I think one area of mutual agreement and priority is vegetation management. But. I think we want to work with you to really recognize the changing climate and what it means to our forest and actually worked together with that science science is going to be key because if we if we ignore that science and sort of put our head in the sand and think it's all about vegetation management, we're not going to succeed together protecting Californians. It'll. Start getting. Cooler. Just you just watch I wish science coach. I don't think science knows actually ty. After that. Joe Biden tweeted science knows joining us now is weighed crow foot the California Secretary for natural. Resources, thank you very much for joining us tonight. When did you decide that? That's what you wanted to say to. Donald Trump today. Well. I can tell you. I, woke up this morning not anticipating the day that I've had. Working for governor gaps out here we wanted to make it clear that we are thankful for federal support through FEMA and other agencies but we also wanted to be really clear about what's fueling or driving these catastrophic unprecedented wildfires in that climate change. But as it relates to the interaction that just sort of a ball. So. If you'd had another minute with the president because I know you had very limited time to speak to him. What more would you have said to him if he didn't cut you off and move onto the next person? Well, I would have actually said that. There is a path forward to actually tackle climate change both to protect California communities and some things we need to do on wildfire but also to transition. To a low-carbon economy. We're really proud in California that we're the fifth largest economy of the world that's largely decoupled our economic growth from our carbon pollution. I. Actually think that that there is a strong story. We all need to tell about the imperative to act on climate change, but also the opportunities to act on climate change but obviously didn't have that opportunity today. Cited some temperature data that I actually hadn't previously heard about what was happening I, think people when they hear Valley's at one hundred thirty. They're not terribly shocked by that since Death Valley is routinely over one hundred. But Los, Angeles the Los Angeles area being one hundred twenty of I've lived there a long time. I never saw temperatures like that. Oh. Yeah. So it it it. It got up in the San Fernando Valley Two hundred twenty one degrees northern California in our capital of Sacramento well over hundred ten degrees broke records their. Extreme weather across the state are coast, which is typically cool and foggy in the summer are reached two hundred and what that means is that places in California that didn't typically burn in a catastrophic way or Bernie including our coastal redwood forests that are typically very wet damp areas and you have a fire it's a very limited fire. While this summer we saw major fire ripping through our old growth redwood forests fifteen hundred year old trees. Because of the severity of the summer, the summer temperatures as well as I should mention the winter temperatures because what that means is up in our mountains, we have less of our precipitation falling as snow, which is problematic for our water supply more runs off in the winter, but it also means a drying for us. So we have almost a perfect storm of conditions driven by climate change that's creating these catastrophic fires. What is the projection? At this point of when you might get these fires under control. Well I have to say out we are only partway through wildfire season in California and typically are most challenging time in the year for a wildfire is deeper into the fall. If you call a couple of years ago the tragic campfire that claims the town of Paradise that happened in very late October. So we've been working sixteen thousand men and women on the ground in California including firefighters from other states trying to get these places of our control. Many that started in mid August. Are under control but others are starting. In, we have a lot longer ways to go in this fire season. Wade Crow, foot, thank you very much for joining us tonight. I know you spoke for millions of people when you made that point to Donald. Trump today something that millions of people have been waiting for Donald Trump to at least be forced to hear if not necessarily understand. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much for having me. When we come back, a federal judge has stopped the US Postal Service from sending out misleading notice about mail in voting the secretary of state of Colorado who succeeded in federal court in stopping the postal service mailing will join us next along with the Secretary of State of California who is in charge of administering the new mail in voting rules in the largest state in the country. Voters across the country have been receiving notifications from the US Postal Service with a so-called vote by mail checklist. It says things like request your mail in ballot often called absentee ballot at least fifteen days before Election Day and we recommend you mail your ballot at least seven days before Election Day. The problem with that nationwide mailing is that every state as its own rules about mail in voting these instructions could be confusing voters in states like Colorado where no one has to request a mail in ballot because every voter will be receiving a male in bad valid. Automatically, those mail in ballots do not have to be sent through the US mail necessarily because Colorado will also have. Special ballot drop boxes all over the state to collect those ballots this weekend Colorado Secretary of State Jenin Griswald won an injunction against the US Postal Service to stop such mailings in Colorado in his ruling federal judge William Martinez said the harm caused to Colorado and its residents implicate basic constitutional rights. Namely, Colorado's right to determine the time place and manner of its elections as well as Colorado voters fundamental right to have their votes counted January discussion now is John Well Secretary of State Colorado, and Alex Padilla Secretary of State of California Secretary. Well let me start with you what else? What do what was the problem the biggest problems for you in Colorado with that postal service mailing. while. Good evening, Lawrenson. Thank you so much for having me on. You know the biggest problem is that the mailer could suppress votes. You. Know in the southwest part of Colorado where both of the tribes in Colorado are located. The male often takes eight days. So the US Postal Service telling folks it would only take seven is a big problem on top of that urging all Colorado to request a mail ballot just is not necessary because we mail them to every registered voter. So, unfortunately, it added a lot of misinformation into this election already chock full of too much misinformation. Secretary Padilla of I think I told the story on this program that I mailed a birthday card in California to arrive three miles away from the post office where I mailed it hoping it would arrive by August first I mailed it a week ahead of time and took three weeks. It took three weeks to travel three miles in the mail in California from a post office. What are your concerns in addition to that length of mailing problem? With this postal service mailing. Well it's at the first issue we have with USPS in recent months right the president trump is trying to undermine the threatening to withhold funding. There's new leadership in place that have been. Tearing out some critical infrastructure when it comes to sorting mail. And that's what's led to some of the delays that you're referring to. And now this postcard if you give them the benefit of the doubt and tables well intended. Maybe. But as you said, every state has different rules when it comes to elections and in Colorado California and several others, the information provided guidance is simply wrong. And doesn't just threaten to confuse voters. It is confusing voters. So if the postal service wants to be helpful engage with elections officials to craft language appropriately in the meantime, we have to work extra hard to clarify issues with voters in our respective state took Californians that are watching good. See that job. Sector walled thirty four states require that mail in ballots be received on election day or one day after election day. But right within that twenty, four hour window basically. Of election, day and so mailing we now know what the way the postal services mailing is mailing things mailing seven days before Election Day in thirty four states. There's a very strong chance. Your vote will not be counted because arrived too. Lawrence I have to disagree with you on that point at least for Colorado we have seen delays in other parts of seeing it happens We have seen delays in other parts of the nation, but there are not delays in Colorado A, but sometimes in some parts of the state, it just takes longer. That's why in Colorado we tell people do not mail it back within eight days instead go to one of the hundreds of drop boxes we have across the state I've actually increased number of drop boxes by forty nine percent. But I do think you're striking on a really important issue. This nation deserves voting rights or everyone. Every American should be able to have access to safe inaccessible secure elections. That's why I am so supportive of expanding both by mail for all early voting, a lot of the reforms at Colorado has so that all Americans have access to the franchise that they deserve a citizens. I believe the California Law is that you will count ballots that arrive as late as seventeen days or so after election day. Exactly. It's precisely for these recent California law says as long as your vote by mail ballot is postmarked on or before Election Day it can arrive up to three days after the election and still be counted but given the possible delays at this time we're extending that deadline to seventeen days after the election as long as the outlook is postmarked on or before Election Day, it's. Also. Important to for voters to keep in mind inspired by reforms in Colorado you have multiple ways to which through it you can return you're out you can mail it back. I still think it's GonNa be pretty reliable. California covers the return posted. So you don't have to worry about stamps or you can return you're about to any ballot dropbox in your county convenient to you. In the weeks leading up to the election or you have the option of blocking it into any in person voting location both on or before Election Day. So multiple options given covid given misinformation from this administration given wildfires that are raging in our state. These multiple options to safely cast trip are more vital than ever California's Secretary of State Alex Padilla and Colorado. Secretary of State John griswold. Thank you both very much for joining US tonight. Thank, you weren't. Coming up. Roger Stone is back and Neil Conti owl his back. To discuss the latest developments in the Roger Stone case reported exclusively by NBC News Today Neil Tiao is next. Hi Everyone. It's joy. Reid I'm so excited to tell you about my new MSNBC show the readout every weeknight I'm talking with the biggest newsmakers about the most pressing issues of our time like Joe Biden, the words, president. And so as President United States the first thing I'm GONNA do stand up and talk sense and be honest with the American people level with them. Atlanta, Mayor Keisha Land's bottom. We need as many voices as we can have as possible, sounding the alarm encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions to follow the science and the data. Senator. Comma Harris, we, send folks into war wearing camouflage. So what is going on here when you sit camouflage uniformed officers into a city and many more, you can listen to the readout as a podcast by searching for the readout. That's R. E. I D. O. U. T. One word wherever you're listening right now and subscribing for free. Thanks for listening. Today NBC News Julia Ainsley Can Delaney reported exclusively that the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General has begun investigating the circumstances surrounding the sentencing recommendation for Roger Stone after being convicted of lying to Congress about Russia's interference in the two thousand, sixteen election. Quote one source familiar with the matter said comments made by prosecutor Errands Alinsky during his congressional testimony triggered Inspector General's office to open an investigation. Here is some of that testimony Aaron Linski gave to the House Judiciary Committee on June twenty-fourth. What I saw. was being treated differently from every other defended what I heard repeatedly was that this leniency was happening because of stones relationship to the president that the acting US attorney for the District of Columbia was receiving heavy pressure from the highest levels of the Department of Justice, and that is instructions to us were based on political considerations. Turning Neil Patel, former, acting US solicitor general, and an MSNBC legal contributor. Interpret for us what this means that the inspector general is investigating basically what Aaron Alinsky had told Congress. It's a pretty big deal lawrence to have the inspector general investigating the attorney. General. So this stars because Roger Stone was indicted for obstruction of justice in coordinating with wikileaks and perhaps the Russians and he was found guilty by a jury of lying to Congress and things like that, and he miraculously gets lower sentencing recommendation. After prosecutors like Linski recommended higher one because bar intervenes and car career prosecutors than resigned and you have this skiing other saying what they said everything about this has been suspicious in stinky from the star in really for two big reasons. One is I because of trump's closeness to Roger Stone there few people who are closer in many ways you can think of Roger Stone. Is Donald. Trump spirit animal or something like that. But it goes beyond just kind of a shared ideology mean. Here's what Paul Manafort, who has the head of trump's campaign until it was indicted Manafort sunnyside quote Rogers released Roger Stone's relationship with trump has been so interconnected it's hard to define what's Roger and what's Donald, and so the question that's been asked repeatedly throughout all this is why off the Slant on its stone why say he did have all these contacts and stuff is obviously to protect trump what is it that they're trying to protect the number one and then the second big concern in this goes to your reported the NBC report today about the Inspector General Investigation is what is Boris Relationship Billboard, attorney, General's relationship and all this because dark says his actions were by the book but in July at the house hearing representative swallow well. Him, on this he said pummeled him with great questions. He said, did you ever interfere attorney general with anyone else's sentencing new got bartered met there was only one time in which had and that was the roger stone case inland swallow followed up and said, Hey, you intervene about Roger Stone isn't Roger Stone the Guy who is literally trump was literally trading about during the trial saying have the guts not testifying so on against trump in bar said enough familiar with those tweets even though those tweets are all over the Miller report, the same report that bar claimed to have read so carefully so the whole thing is stink from start to finish glad the inspector general sees looking into it. quickly. Before we have to squeeze in a break, the attorney general have to submit to an interview from the Inspector General about this. Justice appropriate protocol is yes. Absolutely. Now trump solution in the past when this has happened has been fire the inspector general to try and cover up the truth. And I suspect that you know something of a possibility here on this. Well given this you know president than his you know a disregard for the law and protocol. So we will see but I do think yes, the attorney general should be or to go and talk to the inspector general testify a new. We have to squeeze it on final break here. When we come back, I'd love to ask you about that resignation of the assistant us attorney last week who was working on Attorney General William Bars, investigation of the Muller Investigation. We're GONNA be right back with Neal Katyal. On Friday, the top assistant? US Attorney to John Durham the Connecticut US Attorney who is leading the investigation into the Muller Investigation resigned the current reports that assistant us attorney Nora are dennehy resigned at least partly out of concern that the investigative team is being pressed for political reasons to produce a report before its work is done colleagues said colleagues said Dennehy has been concerned in recent weeks by what she believed was pressure from Attorney General William Bar who appointed John Durham to produce results before the election neal Katyal is back with US Neil. This sounds like another case, the Justice Department Inspector General. Does and it's extraordinary Lawrence I mean I served at the Justice apartment twice and literally never heard of career prosecutors resigning because they think attorney general his acting politically it just never ever happens and yet it's happening here is we're talking about a month before Roger Stone prosecutors there resigned as well, and there are a lot of other cases that you and Ida e that you hear about the media. Here. About because DOJ BEBO Commun- lower levels than say you know there's one person trump told me recently wrote I'm sick to my stomach about what's happening into the politicisation of the Justice Department. Last week, you also had one of four president of president. Trump's people on his law enforcement commission resigned because he said that trump had politicized that you had a department of Homeland Security. National. say that trump and his cabinet secretary ordered him to minimize the reports of election interference by the Russians business as a very scary thing. Now, if the inspector general initiates as we now know from NBC News Reporting Today already has initiated an investigation into what happened in the Roger Stone case, and if there was an investigation about what's happening here that Inspector General, investigation would cross administrations wouldn't if a new president was inaugurated on January twentieth that Inspector General would just keep moving along in that. That's correct. So you could have an investigation you have a house or Senate investigation you made a potentially have a criminal investigation I don't know. There's a lot of stuff here and I think that when you have someone like Danny is very well respected prosecutor resigning because politicization everyone's years all of those people all those entities I think have to look into it because there's a commonality between what she's saying and what others who have become blowers of said, there's really three of them I is they're saying trump is making the executive branch. Powers his own and service that his own ends that he's using the investigation to hear the framing of the John Dunham investigation help us campaign. That's one commonality. The second is they're all saying that trump is ordering his officials to minimise the threats we face and hide them America, hide them to Americans and minimizing the Russians is helpful to his narrative, which is that he's a self made man. That's always been false. The silver spoon that you know he was born within his mouth to help he's been getting from the Russians but that's I think that's a big piece of this as well, and then lastly, the trump is siding with our enemies at the expense of the American citizens. That's the commonality between your dennehy and all Roger stood up prosecutors, DHS whistle blower everything. Milk Tesol gets tonight's last word. Thanks for joining US tonight. He'll really appreciate. mainly. Host of into America a podcast from MSNBC, join me as we go into the roots of inequality and economic injustice and racial injustice, and then when you add health is a health injustice into what's at stake people are going to be voting not for a person but for stability and into what comes next into America a podcast about who we are, as Americans, and who we want to become new episodes, every Monday Wednesday and Thursday subscribe now.

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Bob Woodward: Trump is the wrong man for the job

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Bob Woodward: Trump is the wrong man for the job

"Welcome our guest tonight for the hours, Bob Woodward, his new book, and the subject of it cannot be more timely. The title the book is raged. The subject is don't trump's leadership as of tonight and more than one, hundred, ninety, five, thousand Americans died we are, of course, experiencing a steep recession in the presidential election a little more than a month and a half away Bob Woodward spoke eighteen times to the president and making the book he recorded the conversations and you'll hear many exchanges for the first time. Tonight others have already been released and they've already become front page news establishing and the. President's own words that he knew very early on just how deadly and contagious Kobe nineteen was. He did not share that with the public with the very people security health and welfare are supposed to be every president's any president's first priority. What's more is the president himself suggested to Woodward conversation on the nineteenth of March his first priority was to withhold the truth to quote play it down. He said in continues to say he wanted to minimize panic we'll speak with Bob. Woodward about that and much more over the next hour. The book again is called Rage Bob. Thanks very much for being with us. Thank you so jared Kushner today said that the president the president trump was very forthcoming with the American people about what he knew and when he knew it I want you to respond to that. But before you do I, WanNa play a conversation you had with President Trump back on April thirteenth about the virus. This thing is a killer of it gets you. You're the wrong person. You don't have a chance. Yes. Yes. Exactly and friend of mine died very. Great Real Estate Developer Manhattan. You know listen students of mine I teach journalism seminar have written May of habit and One of the women said she had they said she was cured and they kept coming back with the with new symptoms. Strange. Things happen. She had intense headaches she. She she's in agony and they're telling her Oh, you're you're cured now you're over it. So this this me, you said it this other monitor, this is a score. And the plank it is the plague and. The descendant I bothered. So easily transmissible you wouldn't believe it I know it's I mean you can. You can be in the room. I was in the White House a couple of days ago. In meeting of ten people in the Oval Office and a guide sneezed innocently not a horrible you. Yes days. The entire room bailed out leading me by the way. And today Kushner saying that the president was very forthcoming with all of us about what he knew when he knew it, that's certainly not the tone or content we ever heard from the president. Or the words and let me take you to the scene in the oval. Office. The end of January. January twenty eighth a win the National Security Adviser to the President Robert O'Brien said, Mr President this virus is going to be the biggest national security threat to your presidency. He said it with passion. This was a top secret intelligence briefing, Matt Pottenger, the deputy. Stepped in and said I agree pottenger is the person it turns out almost perfectly placed by accident he had been in China is reporter for the Wall Street Journal for seven years he knew the Chinese lie he told the president this Pottenger head contacts in China reliable doctors who said to him this is not just going to be a little problem. This is going to be a pandemic like the nineteen eighteen Spanish flu and the president ask questions so. Fast, forward to ten days later when he told me all of this I thought he was talking about China because he'd been on the phone with president she I thought for a long time. It was China and it was the United States and tragically unfortunately he failed to tell the public the truth that he knew on February fourth a few days before I talked to him and he told me this heat gave his. Speech the the famous state of the Union speech to the Congress forty million people watched. He's spent fifteen seconds on same. We're doing everything that we can. This is the moment a leader would say I got a warning trouble is coming. There are things we can do, but then he goes on and says, Oh, I didn't want to tell the truth because i. Would panic people. That's not what people in this country do when they're told the truth. Yeah. I mean Americans rise to the occasion along they feel they're getting a straight deal from somebody president trump. He said to you on those recordings that were released last week that. He believes in downplaying the virus he likes downplayed he still likes to downplay it. He was asked just moments ago as part of a town hall on another network that he was participating in I wanNA play the exchange the question he was asked and what he said and have you respond. Why would downplay a pandemic? That is known to disproportionately harm low income families in minority. Communities. Well I didn't downplay I actually in many ways I plated in terms of action. It's amazing to me I mean, it is literally he he said to you. He likes to downplay it for the record. I mean I in fact, let's just play him telling you. He likes to downplay it. Now it's turning out. It's not just old people about just today and yesterday. Some startling facts came out, it's not just old older. People to plenty of young people so On me. A moment of talking to somebody going through this with Ouchi or somebody who kind of it caused a pivot in your mind because it's clear just from what's in on the public record that you went through a pivot on this too oh. My God, the gravity is almost. Inexplicable unexplainable. I think Bob really to be honest with you. Tie wanted to I wanted to always play it down I still like playing it down. Yes. Sir, because I don't want to create a panic. I was WANNA, play down I still I playing down and now just tonight at this town hall, he says he played it he doesn't play down. We are living in. The world and this is an not just about some political problem or some geopolitical problem. It's about the lives of people in this country and he was told he knew he told me about it I thought it was about China and quite frankly it took me three months to find out about that key January twenty eighth meeting in the Oval Office, which was a top secret intelligence briefing in the briefer. From, the intelligence community is saying well, their problems in China but they're working on and that's when the national security adviser in the deputy stepped in. I have witnesses to this participants in this and said, no, no and pushed a very contrarian view based on x and experience, but it was interesting to me because later on in a one interview, you ask you mentioned the O'Brien O'Brien. Saying you know this is going to be the biggest national security challenge you. He didn't even remember his national security adviser saying that to him or or or he claimed, he know what did you WanNa talk about it? I mean here we we have that tape. Look at the dodge here. It's classic. It's so. Quite frankly sick the PR- I asked the president specifically about that. This is in May, after I learned about it, I said, do you remember your National Security Advisor saying that this virus is going to be not the biggest national security challenge it's going to be the biggest national security threat to your presidency. You're president of this country and you know what the president's I. Remember it and he said no but then he said but I I know he said I know he said it so he doesn't remember it but twice he tells me he knows that Oh Brian said it what kind of You know I don't know. How to not my job is not to be emotional and I've done it for fifty years and I tried to bleach the emotions out of, but this is a story in unfortunately it's not over we're right in the middle of the Damn pandemic and you talk to the doctors is I have and the experts, and if we had received the kind of warning in this kind of this is what you is citizens can do this could be over. Yeah many people I'm in there are estimates. I'm not sure what estimate you're going to believe but some of them go up to one hundred, eighty, thousand people would not have died of those hundred ninety, five, thousand I I want to you know you said Orwellian play another part of one of your conversations with the president is from just last month August fourteenth where the president talks about his administration's response. Listen I mean you. Could have been done nothing more could have been done well. WE'LL WE`ll This will be the history that we start the first draft of and. It. Will Continue and Totally supersedes the economy. Sure. But the related is you know. A little bit I mean a little bit but. The economy is doing look what close to a new stock market record. But you have tens of millions of people in this country who are your citizens who don't have jobs and don't have that money coming in that came in for a number of months and you know you. I always worry as you and I discussed that in my position of privilege that I don't realize that enough and you know that's that's going to be part of the election. It's GONNA be. What's fascinating to me about that him saying You think with genuine surprise in his voice you think the virus totally supersedes the economy He's talking moat his record, his legs like he's not talking about human lives or. You know. I mean to him the the high stock market that was the be all and end all. Yeah. I mean just listening to it again, I remember participating in this wasn't two months ago or last year that was one month ago when he called me to see if I could get the. Deal between the Israelis and the UAE into the book I said, the book was closed It was not possible and I told him quite directly. I said their judgments I make in the book that I feel I have to make is an independent reporter and you're not gonna like them. It's going to be tough and at the end he said to me well, it looks like I didn't get you on this book I'll get you on the next one. And then. Is that the conversation that then a few hours later he tweeted once he knew that it was going to be tough. He tweeted out that it was all going to be fake. Yes. actually one hour and thirty minutes. Later he tweeted out I guess is he thought some sort of defense. Now, this morning he was asked about the book on Fox News and he read it last night Okay. He's he's not. A big reader and certainly not a speed reader. And A and he said it's very boring and then the anchor on Fox News. Thank. You asked him. Is it accurate and you know what? The president said I mean I I WANNA be accurate here He said it's okay. I, mean it's fine. And you know he'd been out saying it's a political hit job and I in all of these things the. I don't know. To be. Honest. Whether he's got it straight in his hand. What is real in? What is unreal? that. Is. Why At the end of the book I say in totality my judgment is this is the wrong man for the job how can you have the experience? Of Living. This White House, the way I have for the last four plus years and having not just discussions with him but people in the White House people in the CIA people in the Pentagon people in the State Department trying to get the whole picture of what this administration is. How can you have that experience and not reach that conclusion? What would you just said though is is pretty terrifying and and that he doesn't know what? Really is. I don't want to paraphrase incorrectly but the difference between what's real and what's not real or in his head he doesn't no difference between what they evidence is right? I? Agree. With the way it's terrifying to hear you said given the fact that you've interviewed so many presence is there any other president you've ever interviewed who you would say the same thing of that they don't know the difference. No and it's. Look the responsibility he has the two pillars He told me once the job of the president is to pick two I'm sorry to protect the people in the second job is to tell the truth and I could get out Franklin Roosevelt's. Quotes in those wonderful fireside chance two days after Pearl Harbor. What did Roosevelt say? It's all bad news the very survival. Of this America is at stake here and I'm calling on everyone we're going to have to work on this every month every week every hour every minute, and then he says this is Roosevelt I mean play it it will bring. You to tears because Roosevelt said, well, I'm counting on everyone to deal with all of this and not lose heart. We didn't hear anything like that from this president. No not even not even close and I spent hours digging into this and asking about his fundamental attitudes and if you. You you look it what's in the book and what's on these tapes you find. And, and this is part of the paradox he submitted to an interrogation I was put. You heard it. You say, I'm said, WHOA. Wait a minute. What do you mean just a little bit of a connection between the economy and the virus, and when he I- push-back he says Oh yeah. Well, you know it's a lot we'll see of course. It's a lot We We got to take a short break more unreleased sound coming up next with President Trump says about his meeting with Kim Jong Un what he thinks about former present George W Bush and more by what thoughts on the president will be right back. We're talking tonight with. Bob Woodward author of read about President Trump's leadership key moments. As the presidency's those moments in his own words, he said and being Bob Woodward here I'm paraphrasing that when it comes to pandemic the president does not have this straight in his head they're taking from conversations with the author and we're hearing many of them tonight for the first time Bob this next exchange it's long about four minutes, but it's really I think important and and having I hadn't heard it before president trump continued to tell you he's doing a great job in you press him on some of the reality of what's going on. He doesn't budge. Just WanNa play this but. The question is going to be we're going to look back and we're GONNA say an end of July August September October what happened with the virus did people people want? We've talked about this people want their president to succeed. Now you're right. There are some people who don't. But but. People don't now but if you succeed, they succeed even the Ron even. Basic With is the prerecorded lots of things that they're not going to be happy with. you know proposition like nobody has and that's okay. I have all my life I've only had the business been my whole life has been like. In the meantime right now looking at the White House. So gay him staring right at the roles of the. Where are All. My life up more than most. and. The Kyoto Jeff one hundred and five days. Let's see how it all turns out I. Think it's good agenda. Okay. Today at five I gun working with the virus because it came in and sure anybody else that you got it. You got it. The country's got it in the world's got it. But you're in charge of this country and you know we've done better than any other country, just a better than any other country at handling, and it's a bigger more diverse more difficult country and we've done better than other than with the press. On and. I've done a great job with the press. I can't do a good job because it's fake. Fake of, people. And you, right. Okay. Are you good thanks are you going to acknowledged that in the last six seven months? You made some mistakes in judgment on the virus. Out. Out. Advocate A. Gun Vaccine I up the program. You wouldn't be looking back being for three years. We're looking at next week. No, I understand I understand now what you done under. The FDA and scheduling a vaccine. Before it everybody gets tested with testing vaccines the. Bill Ready Okay. You're in charge of the national interest in the national. Probably Not GonNa pay the Greg. You're in charge of. You know look. I've learned one thing in fifty years in writing about nine presidents nine including you going back to Nixon Ford Reagan. Obama you name it, and that is presidents have power. Extraordinary Power and people are leaning on you and I'm saying. My case. They never accepted it and they never. The president because they're are a bunch of dishonest people and Spider, my campaign and we caught them they spied before and after one and we caught them and we caught em called. Let me what happened were indeed going to see. Is there any less than you take because I? Think? This is so important I have. Because I'm in the business of trying to understand other people high keep learning about how do you really understand people? How do I understand you and you and I had done an But that's okay. You'll understand me after the election, but you don't understand that you don't think so no out of what are the? What are the what are the questions I've not asked that have not been answered? I think that's a lot of very good questions. A lot of personal questions I think you've asked me. It's a fascinating exchange I mean the sense of him being a victim and you know it's con-. We've heard before him constantly going after the press of course, saying that Obama spied on him. You know the usual stuff that we've heard from him but he's saying, An- and just kind of conversation reminding was a some sort of tapes you have heard that were released by the Nixon Library of Nixon. Would seemingly late at night you know rambling and talking about enemies. While but he's angry he's so angry he's angry at me. He's angry at Democrats. He's angry Republicans and as I. He's Vicky. Seasons wintom. He sees himself a yes is a victim and he's just Striking out at everyone, but I learned from my colleague Carl Bernstein. Forty forty five years ago. I, remember we were talking we we spend a lot of time together working on the Nixon case we'd said in McDonalds and have coffee in big banks and Somebody was really angry about something in Carl. Said you know? Anger is really paying. Somebody is feeling pain and. I'm not a psychiatrist. I can't leap to that but I when I listened to trump on this and I reflected back on what Karl said. What's going on here and then you connected to This Orwellian. Well, you know the the books fine. No, it's a hit job Just, you know today this morning, he acknowledged that he wanted to assassinate Syrian president Assad and that Mattis then Secretary of Defense wouldn let him or talked him out of that. I have in my first book two years ago fear exactly that scene where. Trump calls mattis and I can't use the language but he says, were you know let's kill him. Let's I mean in A. Fury about and I understand the emotions because he'd seen. ECK actual video of Saron gas attack. Yeah. And children by Assad but but what did bad as do? he said Oh we'll get right on IT MR president turned to one of his aides and said, we're not GONNA do that. We will find him as your response and they did yeah I wanNA move onto another compelling portion of the book that focuses on on the president and and dealings with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, and it's so interesting to. Me When the letters that you've, you've read about what Kim Jong Said and how he played to the president's weaknesses which are as flattery I mean the president at the time I interviewed him especially during the campaign. You know he's I've never met somebody that level who you know that wealth or alleged wealth that he has who is so needy for some sort of. Recognition and and you know flattery and so susceptible to it. I want to play part of your conversations with them hasn't been heard before when he's showing you photos of the two of them one of the summit, the idea that he's showing you photos is is bizarre to me and we want to warn viewers the president uses profanity here but these are his words and they're important context for the conversation. We're GONNA play this. Look at that picture is having a good time. Nobody's ever seen them small look look at them smiling. Happy. You feels. But. It's very smart. Remember this when you take over and I really mean this to you take over a country and twenty five years old and you survive you know millions of people that are all smart as hell and energetic. Gradually. Those camps in North Korea President Bush wants told me. About Kim's father Kim Jong Il. I. Love. Kim Jong. Because of what he's doing to his people. And for and you know what that attitude got him nothing and then me tend to build a huge nuclear force during those last two administrations they haven't done it doing me. Now. You know you hear reports that they'll start again. But for three years. I gave nothing is. Say. President trump agreed to me. The fucking meeting I. Good to meet White instead of sitting home reading your book I met. A new. He blows right through your question of human rights, abuses, concentration camps in North Korea. I wondering what you you made of that response. Well, and then he told me the actually that Kim Jong, the current leader killed one of his uncles and put the head on the body and makes the point that you thought. Politics was rough here in the United States look at this. So he and there is what is it? We've played. Well, we have that tape where he he says is an extraordinary tape just out of the blue he said, well, I get along with the Turkish leader Irwan who's probably got the worst human rights record possible A tyrant and and trump says, gee, I get along with this guy is explain that to me sometime and I don't get along with the bad guys and He asked me said as I say, explain it to me and I kind of thought. Well, that wouldn't. Really be hard because he loves that. Sense of power. So as president, he's in charge of foreign relations as we know, and so he can have the face of America is the face Donald Trump puts out and he has said Oh, we're going to have good relations with Putin or the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia of the repressive regimes. Oh And he'll deal with Kim Jong. But he he tells me South Korea he he wants to get out. He wants to pull all our troops out and at one point it's almost shocking and he said we have those troops there and we are allowing them. South Korea to exist the idea that we would that the president would think we're leading a country that is an ally where we have thirty, two thousand of our troops and he he's got these inflated numbers is costing all this money and it's not. I want to listen to another part of your conversation with President trump vowed Kim Jong UN and again I want to warn viewers the president uses profanity. He'd in respect to why didn't like him to respect that it was an asshole. Okay. which was too stupid to know what was happening. Bush has no clue. Okay. That's all we ended up in the Middle East where we spent a trillion dollar. What I did this I said. Why don't we have? My famous expression with African American. What do we have to lose a great statement because they said and now? The best is that okay so so The faint nooses. The first twenty four hours could people couldn't believe they see an holy Shit I can't believe it. You wants to meet with President trump wants to meet this never have okay. The second. After a few days. Let's put back. It's making trump look too good. This is no good. So now what they actually said I've given him so much. Don't up given. I met I met with by you know I wasn't sanctions and realize. How important it was to him. He keeps telling you could your Excellency, Ereck Selassie. You know you know this is going to go down in history. would. It called others didn't grow me right? I, understand. Kim jong-un knows how to play trump. He calls him your Excellency. Kim The. He's not calling the others that that's it's fascinating to me that the president thought that that is what registered with the president. You see what he called me I mean, that's I. Mean it's the easiest trick in the book. And look at the pictures he's smiling well and I've had one of my assistants Evelyn Duffy and Steve Riley checked the photos and there lots of photos of. Kim Jong Sung smiling and so forth again. Trump has got this reality in his head and you the the first interview I sat there in the Oval Office I brought my tape recorder. In fact, because he would call at odd hours, I had to carry this Olympics tape-recorder around with me because once he called and I didn't have the tape recorder. So I had to have once by the side of the bed one downstairs and so i. Took this this is December fifth last year plunked down on the resolute desk in the oval. Office and said, this is all on the record. This is history it's GonNa come out before the election he had these pictures of, Kim Jong Sung. He had the orders appointing judges, which is very important and he had to stack of the letters between Kim and he was trying to impress you know. I I don't know what he's doing I mean these are props. I've interviewed a number of presidents in the Oval Office and you sit at the other end and you you do without props but trump head his props in this case. Yeah I. There's WE'RE GONNA extra extra affiliate that a little bit. Later we're GONNA take a quick break next why the president agreed to talk to to Bob. Woodward, we'll hear him explain on tape my conversation with Bob Woodward continues. It's easy to feel overwhelmed these days you're definitely not alone in that. 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Dot Com slash AC three, sixty, the power is in your hands you can make today your new beginning. But were ordered has been chronically American presidents from really fifty years and seen as reporting partner Carl Bernstein exposed Watergate president trump declined to be interviewed for Woodward's first book on his administration back in two thousand eighteen was the book fear prison reverse course for rage in a big way before plays it more. So I sound Bob. I want to ask you about some details in your book about the National Security your account a falling out between president trump top officials secretary of defense Mattis Director of national. Intelligence Dan Coats. Afternoon National Security Council meeting which President Trump wanted to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan South Korea you write about what? Madison. Code said to each other saying the president has no moral compass mattis replied the blunt a Blunt Mitch should have shot coach but arrived at his own hard truths by the most powerful man in the world. True Coats agreed to him. Ally is not ally. It's just what he thinks. He doesn't know the difference between the truth and a lie I mean Madison went as far to say the president trump is unfit. extrordinary that the this is the top national security people around the president. This is mad dog mattis who the president kept praising on the campaign trail until he actually met him and spend time with them and then threw him under the bus. Well, but he threw him under the bus because mad as did his job and is I. Quote Madison The book saying He Mattis ran the Pentagon got almost no guidance from president trump except through tweets and mattis new you can't run Or defense policy with tweets and time and time again, these impulsive tweets come and The, the portrait of Madness I had the. Time really to dig into the story. It is almost a book in itself. Yeah. Because this is a man who was retired who was willing to serve it got to a point where he was worried about some war with some war with North Korea and. I got I got job in his gym clothes, yeah? Sorry. Could no we had a computer glitch on the transmission so I couldn't show you right now. So I want to play something. We'll fix it while playing about one of the things that really struck me. That was consistent throughout this process was the president I mean interviews, your fascinating things between reporter and president or anybody. He has this habit of praising the person he's talked to trying to butter them up essentially thinking that that's going to work with Bob Woodward. I just wanted this is him praising you throughout this process? I love this. Shit about me and that's okay. I have such respect for you. I wrote four books and George W Bush's Wars I went through. NFC. Notes CIA reports spent hours with Bush all of the people you do you know why we went in didn't he come out terribly Well see what he did in the third book was called. State of denial because he got in to deny. Surrey all that. Jive with you yes and you made him look like a fool. My job is to find the best obtainable, and again you'll probably right allows you book Okay, I respect yours and author. I mean. I, don't know I don't know if he's ever read any of your books I would be surprised actually if he had. But have you ever experienced that with the President before that essential a I mean it's such an old trick. It's such an old thing to try to do an interview or to you know Schmooze all I've been watching your work for years you've doing grade ratings are crazy the gray you know all that. No. and. What's so interesting and look I knew what I was doing I was trying to find out what happened and if you've look through the book like on the North Korean. Relationship it was UNORTHODOXY was risky but it something that is trump kept beating into me. We did not have a war and he's right now where lands in history obviously we don't know but I've he I knew I couldn't say, Oh yeah don't worry the book is GonNa turn out great I just went poker faced and learn from reporting on the CIA for many many years that that the power of silence sometimes you just have to let the silence suck out the truth. that is very true. Indeed better than anyone jared Kushner was asked today about something that he said to you. That quote the most dangerous people around the President or overconfident idiots something you wrote as a reference or interpreted a reference to former Secretary Defense Mattis Rex Tillerson Gary Cohn the former national economic. Council Director. This is how Kushner responded today and I want you to respond to that. Yeah. So he actually miss characterizes who was referring to obviously the people that we had some people from the campaign who were in there who were obviously always trying to tell the president with confidence without the real facts I just WanNa be clear because you you just he woodward says you referring to General Mattis Tillerson and Gary Cohen Economic Advisor you're saying that's not who you meant. No that wasn't clear and again he's got tapes of everything I've tapes everything. So there was never implied in that regard. To respond. First of all, this is the whole. Trick in you you have to give a Kushner a an academy award for saying oh well, I. Miss Characterized and then he goes on to say some people from the campaign who were in there suggesting that he was talking about campaign people He says I have tapes. He has tapes I could prove to you that he was talking about people worked in the White House who were in the administration who were these overconfident Idi idiots in the and Madison Tillerson coats are the ones laughed and president trump when I asked him about Mattis said, always just a PR guy he publicly called Tillerson who was his secretary of state dumb. Is Iraq he? Anyway. General Kelly. Kelly is wasn't up to the job was in over his head that's sort of. The. Strike me this president I mean everybody is a sucker or a loser or You know what are some of his other you know everybody's an idiot there are sucker there. There are a loser, it is his view. It his go to view of other people of all the people around him unless you praise him. And especially, if you're a dictator, then it's fine until suddenly he senses that. You turned against him and then all of a sudden urinated to. No it's not. You don't have to turn against him. What I mean people like coats and Tillerson and Madison were doing their job is I show in the book I mean. I mean, think of these meetings that they have to have national event conferences which are very. super-secret and Mattis was is in charge of the Defense Department. Trump authorized mattis and trump confirmed this to me to shoot down incoming missile from North Korea on his own authority and Mattis. Took this seriously because he realized the nuclear arsenal that North Korea had was stunning. It was hidden. It was I probably a couple of dozen nuclear weapons in. So Mattis is in his quarters and he has a white. That will flash in case he's in the shower and there is a national event conference called and he asked to get on the secure line and watch the missile coming out of North Korea, and in some cases, it landed in the Sea of Japan none never came to the united. States. But. What? What a responsibility? Yeah. I WANNA play some some new sound and it's about the president's leadership and how he sees this moment in history you president trump about and let's let's listen. was there a moment in all of this last two months where you said to yourself? You know you're waking up or your you know whatever you're doing and you say. This is the leadership test of a lifetime. No No. I think it might be but I don't think that I I all I WANNA do is get itself. There are many people that said that to me they. You're now work I president who said that I, to you. Many people said well. It I WANNA make concrete gotTA. Sit back and think about that kind of thing why got shot to think about it but busy? It's like when he was asked about what his favor Bible passages. He. There's so many he can't even name one The idea that there's a lot of people telling him as a wartime I think it was e-. I mean it sounds more like he himself as the one who's A wartime president but did his explanation make any sense? Well, he did say that publicly. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So that's the people you know it's like when he says people are talking he says he's as busy as hell book but last week he said he watched Fox's morning show and all of their primetime programs been watching Fox. Just compared to other presidents you all the president's you have interviewed or reported on. The word Liar is not a word reporters generally use to describe a president but in this administration, if I don't use that word, I know it's I I hadn't until really this administration because it is there's no way that the president does not understand what he is saying is not factually correct and so there's both intent and and not just incorrect information, but it seems to be repeated intent to mislead. look I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm not, I can't put my finger on his motivation. My I mean we're he says, I, think you played this well, I don't understand him I think that's a fair point. But what I'm trying to do is described his actions and is motives and the result of his actions and he A Couple of Friends of mine who said you know they've read the book and they say these are psychiatric hours. They are not psychiatric hours I. That is not my business. My business is to find out what happened and what he is willing to say about it and what astounded me is. He would let me push in. I on the impeachment issue I went down to Mar-a-lago and essentially for twenty minutes. Did the impeachment interrogation of him that the send in the house was never able to do, and we were shouting at each other another time he called the House and my wife Elsa said, you know you're shouting at the president and Y-. You shouldn't be shouting at the president and I said, well, I've got questions today. Is was important for me is that he would let me do that stay with us. As you mentioned, Bob Woodward's book ends with something he'd never done before and all of his previous books about US presidents. That's next. Famously in all his books on US presidents, Bob Woodward never delivers an overt opinion on the people he's writing about through his reporting. He lets readers form their own conclusions as he said to me earlier in the program not this time in his book rage the very last launch. Your book are when his performances president is is taking entirety I can only reach one conclusion. Trump is the wrong man for the job. How What made you do a a conclusion based on overwhelming evidence I. I looked I I was typing along and the epilogue and Outta came. And I realized and consulted people that that was actually my obligation I got is close is an outsider might get to. The inner trump and what were how the White House works and functions and I. Can I tell a quick Stra July of a moment to tell the story about Katharine Graham who was the owner and publisher? The. Washington Post I would love to hear. Okay. I'm GonNa do it quick? Okay. After Nixon resigned. So this is one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, four, she wrote Carl Bernstein and myself a letter on a yellow legal pad and she has more stationary than any five hundred people in Washington, but she got deer Carl and Bob. You wrote some of the stories in Nixon is gone. Do not start thinking do not think too highly of your self. I. Want to give you some advice beware the Demon pomposity and. That's really important advice for. All of us in our business and other businesses, and so I pondered that I consulted with Elsa John Carr, the publisher and the top person at Simon and Schuster with my assistance and I said is this. Pompous. Or is this true In the answer was from everyone. It's true. You CAN'T The whole business of trump is about running away from the truth you cannot run away. From the truth here because you've seen it, I was stunned by the the quote. The Kushner gave to you saying that if you want to understand the president should look at the Cheshire cat and Allison, wonderland paraphrase the cat saying if you don't know where you're going any path will get you there. In fact, one of the president's closest advisers is intimating he doesn't know where he's going. You know and it was willing to take any path to get. There is scary. Only. One of the scary truth. in in this book but I you know you. It's it. It was very in it has been very unsettling to me to travel this road and stare down what I heard and saw in verified and went back and. My wife else who edited this Book Six Times in his my counselor in would come to me and say, well, this is a good section but you're not saying what you mean which of course is the the dreaded verdict to any reader but she was right and she helped me an so we're struggling the two of us with this. Not. Just peering into the White House and trump and so forth. Yeah. Peering into America and I think a lot of people. Wrestling with that as well and peering into the country and themselves. And the President Bob Woodward. Thank you very much. News continues when were Chris for Cuomo Time If your mental health keeps you from being who you want to be try better help. 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Bob Woodward on his new book, Rage

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Bob Woodward on his new book, Rage

"Hi I'm anesthesia abuse I am a two time Olympic speedskater my whole life I have been surrounded by athletes and every one of them has a story that a scoreboard will never capture. It's not an easy thing to be with an athlete that don't understand why they're making fun of me because I like to figure escape players on voices all about the person inside the performance when you're so in it, I think perhaps we're the people that understand the least subscribe now wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. You just read the air that's how it's passed. And so that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one. It's also more deadly than your. Your even your strenuous lose. That's president. Donald Trump speaking with the legendary Washington Post reporter asked editor and author Bob Woodward on the seventh of February. Then on the nineteenth of March, this conversation happened it's clear just from what's in on the public record that you went through a pivot on this to all my God the gravity is. Almost. Inexplicable unexplainable think Bob really to be honest with you I. Want you wanted to a I wanted to always play down I still like playing it down. Yes. Because I don't want to create a panic what the president knew about the criminal virus and kept hidden from the public has touched off a firestorm south of the border for a half century. Bob Woodward has. Dug deep into the presidencies in the early nineteen seventies, his investigations alongside Carl Bernstein broke what would become known as the Watergate scandal, which eventually led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon Woodward's new book. Rage takes a look at another president who is engulfed in scandal this time during a catastrophic pandemic I spoke with Bob Woodward last week and his only, Canadian broadcast interview. Bob Woodward. Good Morning. The president told you that he played down the deadliness pandemic because he did not want to panic the nation what did that tell you about the way this president sees the people of the United States I. Think part of the failure in all of this and it's grand historic failure on his part. When he said, he wanted to play it down and avoid the panic. He didn't understand the people he leads from I'm going back to Franklin Roosevelt after Pearl Harbor Roosevelt told the truth to the American people and he said in one of his fireside chats. So this is two days after Pearl Harbor in nineteen forty one. Roosevelt said government has confidence in your ability to hear the worst without losing heart and. Trump thought there would be panic and We know the people in this country when they're told the truth rally around together this happened with the nine eleven terrorist attacks in two thousand and one President Bush rallied the public he rallied the Congress and the. Trump. Did Not I mean this is this is tragic. He did not understand that he could have gone out at so many time particularly the state of the Union address he gives to Congress to say what's going on what's important what the future is and forty million people tuned in on February fourth and he spent fifteen seconds talking about the virus and said, we're doing everything we can. I learned in my reporting. Is that the key meeting here's the January twenty eighth meeting in the Oval Office when his national security. Adviser Robert. Brian said Mr President this virus. is going to be not maybe this virus is going to be the biggest national security threat to your presidency them his deputy who worked in China's a Wall Street Journal reporter I seven years talked about. Information he had from right in China who told them that this is coming it's going to be like the nineteen eighteen pandemic, the Spanish flu that killed six, hundred, seventy, five, thousand people in the United States the president at this top secret meeting ask questions was fully inform and then instead of telling the public he. Chose a denial and. Failure. To do his duty as president to protect the country and to tell. The truth to the country. You also point out that Dr Anthony Fauci who is one of the most respected disease experts in the world? was also initially down playing the danger of this virus. Why was he doing that? You're absolutely right FAUCI was downplaying and he was not at the top secret meeting on January twenty eighth of the doctors didn't go to that it's all national security. But Mad Pottenger the deputy national security adviser. Told that they're far she what he had concluded from his sources in China and I quote five she in the book saying that Pottenger was way over. The lie on was exaggerating. About she thought at the time and then when it exploded in February I quote five, she's saying Oh my God Matt Pottenger was right all the time same with that the Redfield head of the Center for Disease Control and he thought Oh pottenger was just a journalist previous way in intelligence officer and then when they're exploded I quote redfield saying Oh my God A. Journalist got to the truth not the doctor I guess at the question comes out of that is whether the president is the only one to blame for the failed response to the coronavirus if some of the most important people around him didn't twig to how serious and how deadly this was is it all to blame on him? The president is the leader and I've written about nine presidents from Nixon to. So that's Kim Burns documentarian reminded me that that's twenty percent of the president's. Sacred. Trust that the president. Of our country has they have extraordinary power they have the megaphone he's the leader could somebody else have done something possibly I didn't know until may the nature and the extent of what prompted been told on? January, Twenty eight and I quite frankly I was slow. I didn't understand in saying that you were slow I. Mean You have faced fierce criticism from not making this public sooner two hundred thousand people have died in your country. The belief is that perhaps lives could have been saved if the American public knew what the president knew, what the president wasn't doing how do you respond to that Chris? Not. Fierce criticism because people are now reading the book and realizing in February, the virus was not on anyone's radar five. She was saying when asked on television can people go to the gym to the movies to the mall and he said Yes he green lighted? So you know, what am I trying to answer? What did the president know? When did they know it and how did they know and I kept digging it that and finally in May that the answer and that's when I asked president. Trump on May six do you remember when you're national security adviser? Told you that this virus will be the greatest national security threat? To your presidency and trump said no but I know he said it I know he said it. So you know whether viewers going on there. He knew it was sad and I didn't know it until May. You quotes the former Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats saying that Donald Trump to him ally is not ally. It's just what he thinks and that he does not know truth from a lie what is Dan? Coats basing that on. Experience dealing with trump Dan coats is the number one intelligence officer in the country at this point for a couple of years and trump doesn't wanNA listen doesn't want the truth in the intelligence reports I mean they're seeing after seeing you've read the book of Coats I mean, it wasn't frustration just it was despair that he could not get the president to deal with. The facts and finally president trump. Fire Coats. Last year coats was with his wife on a par five hole on one of trump's golf courses in the area here when his chief of staff came on the phone to him and said the New York Times is. Just. Reporting that you've been fire. What does it mean for the United, states to have a president who can't make the distinction between Truth and a lie? It is monumental. It is We are in a position with the virus now. It's a moving train and it's moving faster. If you look at what Dr Five she has said Dr Redfield it said and goes out and dismisses this repeatedly. Dr. Redfield testified before Congress couple of days ago where mask and he held the mask, he's testifying under oath. and. He said this May. Save you more than the vaccine and trump then says, he called Dr Redfield and Dr Redfield was confused and didn't understand the question look at the testimony and look at Redfield has has this decades long record and Redfield was on this from a New Year's Day January first by the middle of that month he had. Thousands of people working on the virus. So What does it mean? It Means Is the wrong man for the job? Do you have the sense you talked about the sacred trust that is involved in being the president of the United States do you have the sense? That, he understands what the job is. No I don't and I'm I'm I'm really sad to say that presidents can make mistakes or in the case of Nixon was a criminal and the Republican Party forced Nixon to resign and I've covered in written about presidents and you know all of them. Have made mistakes, but it's always good. I I. Don't know I can't be a psychiatrist. and. ascertain what's going on in trump's head but his his calculations and I quote five she say that he concludes that trump has a negative attention span. What does it? What does that mean? Well, it means that he hopscotches all over the place I mean ev everyone says I mean in my conversations with trump which for ten months You know look at what's in the book look at these transcripts go off on the subject I'll ask about the virus in the in trump save but the stock market's. Coming along fine. He hopscotches. But more important five t I quote saying that everything trump does he's interested in one thing reelection. and. I think there's a lot of truth in that and the man who's leading us and as he told me repeatedly, he downplays the virus just this week trump's out saying, oh, I up played what you know. That's a new word for the scrabble dictionary up played and He talked about my book he was at he was asked about my book, Concetti read it, and it's very boring and They've hanker on Fox News asked is it accurate and trump said? It's okay. It's fine. I mean it's fine. Do you think he's actually read? Well he said, he read it I don't know So the other day he was saying it's a political hit job. My first book fear which came out in twenty eighteen he denounced he said it's all fiction pure. Why do you think he talked to you in much of the book he sounds resentful that he's even speaking to you on the phone. He's not sure what you're going to do with it. He calls you a left damn. Why do you think he spoke with you? I think he knew I would listen people realize that I'm going to give him a fair say and he said this week he said this is trump talking president trump talking several days ago saying I said many many great things in that book I let him have his saying that was my responsibility as a reporter, and that's what I told him. I said I'm GonNa put what you say and what happened in context also in the context is. That two, hundred, thousand people have. Died and. He could have averted some of it i. mean much of what he's interested in is. As you'd portrayed what reflects positively back on him. He goes and meets with with the leader of North Korea and he's impressed not with the fact that he shook hands with leader North Korea. But as he says, there are more cameras in front of him than there are the academy. Awards. And is Kim then North Korean leader rights in one of these letters to trump I remember standing in holding your Excellency's hand and they pledge I mean it's almost like the now knights of the round table they say we're GonNa be friends forever We haven't had the war is trump repeatedly reminded me but I was able to get twenty five letters. What do you think those letters tell you about how? Leaders around the world have figured out that the president well, the CIA concludes that the. Kim Jong lungs letters are masterpieces because they played to. Sense of grandiosity they played trump sense of having a role in history but. Look Kim. Jong Sung is authoritarian leader. He has couple of dozen nuclear weapons at least and trump has. No kind of boy scout pledge with him that they're going to trust each other and always be friends whether that's GonNa work, foreign policy. Old Hands say this is so risky and dangerous, and that may be the case but. let's not have a war. I can't judge the outcome of that. The outcome is going to be very important to this country in the world. Let me ask you what's about what's happening on the streets. Of, your country right now the book is called rage. What role do you think the president has played? In the rage that you're seeing playing on the streets of American. Well. He's feeds it. He does things like. Clears the area in front of the white. House. This was in June and peaceful protests, and he brings in the military to do this and he goes and stands before a church and waves the Bible trump's. Dear friend and supporter Senator Lindsey Graham tells him. You know that that doesn't work. People aren't going to buy that but trump thanks it does. Does he think that it's a winning strategy. His son-in-law Jared Kushner is quoted saying that that one of his strengths in some ways as baiting people invading Democrats in particular. Yes. What is Kushner's of famous phrase about controversy elevates message now think about that Kushner. WHO's the son in law married vodka a both of our senior advisors trump Kushner is for all practical purposes the chief of staff they've gone through four chiefs of Staff Kushner seasons, the president every day, and the analysis the Kushner makes is. When trump comes out and says, well, the United. States. Before the virus had the best economy in the history of the world. And then the fact checkers come along and sale and the nineteen fifties it was better and you know some you know sometime in ancient times, we had a great big Konami. So they dispute. Trump's. So there's an argument in Kushner says the controversy over the that elevates trump's message and the people say, yeah. Well, the economy was good really good well, whether it's the best in the world this these are the elite fact checkers, the people who run around and they'll like trump and they know the economy is good. They feel that trump had delivered for them before the virus. So it's A. Strategic Calculation that is very malevolent quite frankly to say, let's stir up trouble and if the basic point about good economy gets across to people, then trump wins and again, this is the truth problem. Why can't the president come out and say you know I'm really proud of the economy why does it have to be pumped up dry? Does he have to do this and that's the problem with the virus? That's the problem with everything. I told the court that I'm wrong. True. From you maybe. One small man. Giant wheel. Wish say official that I'm wrongfully right now. Uncover season seven. Dead Wrong. It killed pit bull if. Ninety nine. Available on. CBC. Listen and wherever you get your podcasts. He smashed pretty much every billboard and streaming record that matters it has already been streamed more than a billion. Billion People still to this day point to this is the moment everything changed but whether you agree with those claims or not, this podcast isn't really about him either you're not an astute businessman or you're inherently racist when it comes to black music in this country, this is not a drake podcast available now on CBC listen or wherever you get your podcasts. You mentioned the black community you ask the president if he can understand the pain of the black community because of his privileged background to put me and I think lots of white privilege. In a cave and that we have to. Work our way out. Of It to understand. The anger in the pain particularly black people feel in this country you. You, you really drank the KOOL aid. Didn't you? You Wow. You really drank the Koolade Bob, Woodward Woody make that. I was embarrassed for him. as a human being and as a president because I was talking to him about white privilege and I cited I, self is an example. My father was a lawyer and a judge in Illinois we know trump came from a white privileged background. And this is after the killing of George Floyd, which was the May twenty fifth of this year and the whole black lives matter but came a giant. Giant. Reality in the country and all I'm saying to the president. Don't you see your privilege I see white privilege for myself and our job. I talked to him earlier to understand other people in people. Black people particularly field. It's not just. Anger, but it's pain. Its core who and he doesn't even acknowledge that if you heard him and his own voice and I truly amid barest for him because I have. Lots of people in the news business lots of friends who were. people of white privilege and they. Understand what they don't understand because of their position and that's the job of a journalist that's the job of president to have. In live in. Environment where people explain and you you have other points of view I. Mean this is why Secretary of defense matters finally quit is he said he'd been asked to do lots of stupid things as I quote him saying others mad as says, I've been asked to do stupid things but then to pull out of Syria that time they ended up twenty eighteen, that is felony stupid felony stupid and so I quit. And that's not just your run-of-the-mill. Day by day. Stupid. It's felonies. Really is and there there are lots of villainy stupid actions here in the one you cited. Play that again for your listeners. Where I had laid this out Very carefully and he he mocks me. But do you Bob People have said that super? He's racist D- believe he's a racist I. Look I don't use analogy. I Find I've been Bradley was the editor of the post during Watergate I learned. from ban report the facts don't get into name calling one way or another and people are hopefully your facts and your reporting. We'll be sound enough and. They've enough that people will accept it sometimes they don't. We wrote all these stories before the seventy, two election about Watergate, and all of the people involved in this criminal enterprise and people didn't believe it. It was a Nixon won in nineteen, seventy two. Forty nine states. And bans attitude was okay. We we keep reporting we go on we're not in the game of making assessments what we are in the game of is reporting now. I Miss Book. I had such extraordinary. Opportunity the interview trump nineteen times in ten months some of them real really long some of them very short but. Ten minutes twenty minutes forty minutes and get the whole picture talk to other people get some records and some diaries and so forth and I did conclude at the end that trump is the wrong man for the job you also you also say that you're worried I mean you talk to him about the virus and you say at the end of of that section of the book that you're worried for your country. So just in the last few minutes that we have. But more, but fearing for your country and the alarm that you raise in the book. Well. Yes. I do for my country because we have. I've leader in my view because of the. Overwhelming evidence. It's a conclusion based not on and I I don't have any partisan. Stake in this I've. Got To be neutral because we have a president who does not understand his responsibility does not under stand his job and we're in the middle of the pandemic. He's all over the lot. He's confused everyone even his own supporters and. His job is to give guidance. It's to tell people the truth. What did it take for you as a journalist? To get to that point where you needed to. To make a comment. Overwhelming evidence and say I wrote it. In the epilogue and then I showed it to my wife who edited the Book Six Times is my. Really My. Co author in all of this is our my assistance and editor and I showed them all of this and they said, well, you're writing a book about truth. And that's what you feel. Is the truth based on evidence you can't leave that out of the book. You have an obligation to say that and I've had friends call me who have said they would be calling me if I didn't reach that obvious conclusion and say, you're just like these Republican senators who know the truth the won't stand up and tell it, and so I realized I had to put that in the book and It's it's. Maybe, a notch more direct than. Fear Twenty eighteen when I concluded that there is a nervous breakdown of the executive branch in America. That's not. Exactly in endorsement that essentially says it's not working that he's the wrong man for the job but now said it very directly just finally You say that while the constitutional democracy in the United States might seem wobbly it's held during his first term in office. Would it hold if Donald trump were to be reelected in November? While we don't know. I mean I really think that's an important conclusion. We have a first amendment where, I, we have free speech in this country his. the attorney general or the FBI or people to raid my house. You know steal my. Tape recordings and documents and put me in jail and. Say I'm guilty of something. So there is that democracy is functioning. The leadership is what's failed and we're about to run into a mountain or over a cliff with the coming election because of the whole questioning of ballots and. In ballots and so forth he's launched. A full-scale attack on his own election process. And if you think about it if he believed in democracy not just. For him to be reelected. If he really believed in, he would be out there at the forefront of saying, let's make sure we have a level playing field. We have a full and fair election. He could be an advocate for that but instead he's an advocate for K.. C. He's saying Oh we can't trust these ballots were not gonNA know. After the election who really want and you know there's all kinds of fraud think about that it it is And, of course, it's an extension of the. Self centeredness that he's practiced in his presidency that he would attack the electoral system. You go to a hundred thousand feet in doubt and look down on that I, mean my God, how can the President? Do you worry about the integrity of the election of course of course? I mean who isn't? In terms of what could happen not just on the third of November. But what could happen in the days and weeks following? Yes and you know their policies in the states I was listening to the Secretary of State of the State of Michigan and that person is in charge of the electoral process saying they have a wall or rule in Michigan you can count mail in ballots thirty days after the election. I talked to a former governor of Michigan who said? they're trying to change that, but you know it's an open invitation. Well, we can wait thirty days to co ballots of. You know this is this is. People better. Put on their seatbelts and their her their shoulder harnesses and said in a steady chair. We, we are going into a a moment in American history that makes me. Shudder. As. I A reporter how do you cover it? I'll you make any sense of this? What do you say after whatever numbers flow in and you've got the president of the United States saying you can't trust them but also as an And I Trimble I have two older daughters who I. Adore and I always asked the question. What kind of world are we leaving to them and I I am not happy with the world we're leaving to my daughters, Diane and tally. Bob Woodward a great pleasure to talk to you, I appreciate your time this morning. Thank you. Thank you. Bob. Woodward's new book is called rage. We reached him at his home in Washington on Friday for more CBC PODCASTS GO TO CBC. Dot Ca. Slash podcasts.

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New book reveals Trump knew in early February that Covid-19 was dangerous, highly contagious, and "deadly"

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New book reveals Trump knew in early February that Covid-19 was dangerous, highly contagious, and "deadly"

"This show is sponsored by facebook. FACEBOOK has taken steps to better secure their platforms. What's next their support of updated Internet regulations to set new standards for data portability privacy and elections learn more at about dot F. B. Dot. com. Slash regulation. Good eating we've reported for months about how the president downplayed the krona virus said, it would disappear that it was under control. All tonight. You'll hear confirmation of all that reporting and for more than that, you'll hear the president admitting he downplayed the virus he knew it was far more deadly than he led on and he knew would far earlier than the public. People say lives have been lost but they haven't been lost thirty dead hundred and ninety thousand Americans are dead and the president lied to us when it really mattered when action could have been taken based on the information the president had that would have saved lives and teacher wondering how many lives the number is simply heartbreaking. Researchers at Columbia University Sa that instituting social distancing just one week sooner. Would prevented at least thirty, six, thousand deaths two weeks sooner could've prevented eighty four percent of all tallies in a moment. You'll hear the president's own words taken from many conversations at key moments over many months with the Washington Post. Bob. Woodward and yes, those conversations were recorded and you'll hear them woods more everything. You'll hear him say tonight he. Including his warning to Woodward but not to the public that Cova was transmitted through the air and for deadlier than the flu he said at during what has come to be known as the lost month when he could have mobilized the government and the public and as you saw save lives, he could have but did it February seventh is when he said that to Woodward the beginning of what was the loss month and now he's saying he was downplaying the threat to avoid a panic. That's what he's saying today is if we've all simply forgotten those rallies, he's held, he held at the time and everything else he was saying about now his numbers to go up. Whatever the president's motivation the fact is hearing the truth didn't panic the People South Korea, which has seen just twenty one thousand cases only three hundred and forty four deaths in the last six months. Known panicked in Germany or Canada to other countries that have done far better than we have. Still the president now says, he did what he did in service of the greater. Good which is also what he told Bob Woodward back in March he didn't WANNA panic people. You'll hear it straight from the president tonight as well as his thoughts unquote my effing generals as he calls them the also here for the first time, the audio, the president talking about a secret weapon system that he claims we've been developing and more. All the pages of Woodward's new book. Rage. CNN special correspondent Jimmy Gang Gal will be guiding through all the key aspects of it. Tonight, starting with the president, the virus and the truth Jimmy what was the president telling Bob Woodward talk about what he was telling him about the coronavirus early February. So this is February seventh. Anderson. When you know we were thinking about the virus in China, this was very very early on and adjust. To find out the president agreed to this being taped all of these eighteen interviews were recorded and what he says is he gives Woodward striking detail about how much he knew but wasn't telling the public here's part of the interview. And so what was President Xi seeing yesterday we were talking mostly about the. Virus and I think he's going to have it in good shape but you know it's very tricky situation. It's did goes it goes through air bob that's always tougher than the touch. You know the touch you don't have to touch things right but the air you just read the air that's how it's passed. and. So that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one It's also more deadly than your. You Know Your even your strenuous lose you know people don't realize we lose twenty, five, thousand, thirty, thousand people a year here who who would ever think fat right I know. That's pretty. And then I say, well. Same thing for more deadly. This is five per you know this is five percents versus one percent less than one percent you know. So this is deadly stuff. So Anderson. So much of what he said there is striking because we did not know this at the time, but I wanNA point to two things first that it was airborne this coming from the president who is still mocking people who wear masks and second he understands that it is so much more deadly than the normal flu because during the same period of time, he's absolutely saying, Oh, it's just another. Flu So. It's just a striking contrast to what he saying publicly saying that it's acknowledging airborne, and which was you know discussed question but not known for sure at the time the president new and deadlier far deadlier than the flu he he was having rallies indoor rallies after this with no, no social distancing no mass very different than what the president was saying publicly about the virus of the time. Right, absolutely suggest to remind people to give it some context. We've put together some Sound of exactly what the president was telling the public when he was saying something quite different to Bob Woodward. Here's that. And I think the virus is going to be it's going to be fine. You know in April supposedly dies with hotter weather. and. That's a beautiful date to look forward to. Control. People are getting better. They're all getting better. A very good chance. You'RE NOT GONNA die. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine. This is A. This is like a flu of the fifteen people the. Original fifteen as I call them, eight of them have returned. To their homes we're going down not up we're going to substantially down not up and again when you have fifteen people and the fifteen within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That's a pretty good job we've done it's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle it will disappear. It hasn't disappeared and Woodward's book paints just a devastating portrait. He has so many details about a January twenty eighth top secret briefing where the president is told all of this and he just describes it as a betrayal of trust. In March, the president told Woodward, he wanted to downplay the virus the American people, right so I we have February seventh where he gives Woodward all these details then on march nineteenth in another interview that was recorded he says two things that are pretty shocking I remember he kept saying that young people wouldn't be affected by this children even in August August fifth I think he said children are immune. So he tells Woodward something quite different and then in the second part of this, you hear him admitting that he is concealing this here's the tech. That would starting out. It's not just all people opportunity today and and yesterday. Some startling facts came out. It's not just old old. Able to plenty of young people so He's GonNa give me. A moment of talking to somebody going through this with she already who kind of it caused a pivot in your because it's clear just from what's in on the public record that you went through a pivot on this to all my God the gravity is almost. Inexplicable unexplainable. Bob Really to be honest with you I want you wanted to I wanted to always play down I still like playing it down. Yes. Because I don't want to create a panic. The dangerous this this wasn't. Just about panic. First of all, as you pointed out earlier, plenty of other countries dealt with this nobody panicked if you WanNa talk about panic hundred, ninety, thousand Americans dead. That's much bigger thing. Americans. Dealt with nine eleven after Pearl. Harbor. They dealt with the World War Two to say that this was about preventing panic or calming people down is a is simply outrageous. It's no secret that the president Dr Phil she have often disagreed publicly when it comes to virus he's. Cheese basically it seems like been sidelined. What is Doctor Faust? Woodward about is using the president. So throughout the book his quoted there there's a lot of detail and and direct quotes and he says what Woodward reports found. She says about trump that his leadership is rudderless that his attention span is like a minus number. And that his sole purpose is to get reelected I should say that. Dr Chee didn't interview today in which he said he didn't recall this I just want to remind people again with their permission Bob Woodward is known to record all of these interviews. These were very specific quotes in the book Jimmy Stay with US I want to bring in our chief medical correspondent Dr Sanjay. Gupta also doctor Craig Spencer who served on the front lines during the very worst of the outbreak. Here he is director of Global Health Emergency Medicine in New York's Columbia University Medical Center as well as an Ebola. Survivor Sante prison trump's decision to downplay the virus for whatever reason whether it was to avoid causing panic he is claiming over was to avoid hurting his reelection chances ords that he was panicking and didn't really know what to do it. Cost lives I mean, as we referenced earlier and I and I saw you talking about this earlier today, you know if he had been honest with the American people or if he even just implemented mitigation efforts or encouraged governors to implement mitigation efforts early on lives could have been saved. Yeah I mean there's no question. I. Mean. That's the striking. There's a lot of striking things about what Jamie has just reported but that the idea that. As you reference, there's countries around the world that didn't have anything. We didn't have. They didn't have a vaccine or some sort of magic therapeutic and they measure their death count's in the teens or hundreds not the hundreds of thousands you showed the scrap. Let's just show it again because this was a model that came out of Dr Spencer's Institution at Columbia where they looked at sort of if you had just done some of these. Mitigation techniques a week earlier, just a week earlier, and this is in May. When this this modeling was done, remember the mitigation efforts went into place mid March been first week of March thirty, six, thousand lives at that point could have been saved just gives you an idea of how much of an impact earlier sort of measures could've had two weeks earlier eighty, four percent of the deaths according to this model could have been prevented. You know. It is really remarkable to me to hear that those tapes now and here that he he knew this. When you're looking at these viruses things you want to know are they very contagious? Are they very lethal? Lot of people in the very beginning weren't sure. He and February seventh definitively, nuit and even gave a number to Bob Woodward's five times more lethal than the flu in documentary. It's not just that the President United States was downplaying the virus. It's that we know also A, we have seen it with our own eyes he has pressured. The FDA the CDC other institutions to. Go along with downplaying the virus, downgrading the guidelines, CDC, downgrading the guidelines on how schools should reopen not putting out guidelines or having guidelines held back having to change guidelines because the president was threatening them the FDA, the head of the FDA having to apologize for misleading information that he gave in. You know at the behest, the President about you know about plasma therapy I mean you were on the front lines in New York battling the virus at its peak. When Minis you know eight hundred people were dying day in New York, you were out there trying to save lives. What do you make what you've heard from the president now? To be honest Anderson I'm furious because we want to talk about panic in wanting to reduce panic. Panic of every single family I called on facetime to let them know their family member was dying or had died and I think about that multiplied by one, hundred, ninety, thousand times already around this country as a frontline provider. I'm furious because many of those deaths didn't need to happen if we took the right steps early on in got prepared like we needed to in the president clearly knew we needed to as a public health professional furious because this is just another incense from the outset with a president has undermined public health professionals has contradicted. Our messaging and the result was that since the beginning people didn't know where to go to get trusted truth on Corona virus, how to protect themselves, how to protect their family created a situation where people were just misled given misinformation in quite honestly as a public health person as public health professional the lies and the mysteries that are coming from the president's mouth in the president's twitter feed on a near daily basis or almost impossible for us, public health professionals to keep up with incorrect. Yeah. I think that's an important point. You make the panic. In in a you know a person's voice when they know that their husband or their. Child? or their grandparents or their best friend has been describing is dead. That is panic that doesn't go away. That's not I. It's not as if. I mean that's that's just. Sunjay, it's not just the families to it's the providers. It's everybody. It's I mean it's not just individuals that are grieving. It's a whole country that is grieving. We have over twenty twenty, five percent of the world's cases and deaths were supposed to be the best and most repair country in the world and we have failed on this from day one because of the president's apparent misdirection in trying to prevent panic, we have created more panic than was necessary if we just took the serious from day one. I WANNA play an exchange that you had with President trump back in February about about the virus. Virus, buyers flew everything tally about point one percents This has a Taliban racial summer between two percents. With we don't know. And the fluids higher than that the flu is much higher than. This is spreading GonNa spread maybe even communities. That's it may expectation. Does that does that work because I've seen value? Ready for it is what it is. We're ready for it. We're really prepared. It is what it is. By the way it is what it is. You only say that is what it is. When something is, there's nothing you can do about it it just it is what it is the president of the United States. Could. Done something about it. He just chose not to he chose to downplay it so for him to repeatedly say it is what it is is particularly galling when he is the frigging president. United States I'm wondering when you look at that exchange Sanjay now, what do you think? It is nagged at me since that day Anderson February twenty six when I I kept thinking to myself does does he not know? Because he just said to me that the flu is much worse that was on February twenty sixth. You just heard the tape from February seventh where he clearly conceded this this corona virus was far more lethal than the in any again, even gave a number five times more lethal than the flu I mean that that really. Went from this idea that look maybe was he not being briefed he just didn't care. So he wasn't even listening to what people were telling him. That's not the case he knew. and. At that time and and many times since then he has lied about this, he knows the truth he lied about this and I as you know Anderson I. Don't say that lightly. But that is that is definitely the case here and I should point out as well. We're talking about this a little bit like it's in the rear view mirror. We're still in the middle of this, right we were sort of analyzing this. It's not over by any means these these bad decisions these bad policies are still ongoing and people that are alive today that don't really think that this is a big deal are not going to be alive by the end of the year because of this. So this this absolutely needs to be this needs to be fixed. Jimmy after that interview with Woodward in which the President Knowledge, the coronavirus is airborne way worse than the flu he held six more rallies with. Tens of thousands of people indoors thousands of people endorsed tens of thousands with no mass or social distancing, and I mean just look at this campaign event yesterday he continues to to mock mask wearing and put people's lives at risk for he's made mask wearing political statement, which is the worst thing you can possibly do in the midst of a pandemic. It's inexplicable One of the things that Woodward asked trump in the book is what do you think the most important job of being president is and trump says at first he's not sure what to answer and then when he finally does he said, well, it's to keep America safe and prosperous he clearly has he clearly knew. A lot about this. He didn't keep America safe. He continues down that road with these inconsistent messages with. Mocking masks, but I just wanted to point out the word. The second thing he said is to make America prosperous and I when I first heard the tape and he said he didn't want panic. What I really thought was that he was panicked about the economy and getting reelected. Right which is I mean, he is repeatedly said early on remember when he went to CDC I think it was and he said the thing about you know anybody wants to test king can get one he talked about my numbers meaning. His his is if the number of people infected in the country were prominent on him and he didn't want his numbers to go up Doug thank you for everything you've done and continue to do and for being with us tonight Sanjay as well. I'll see tomorrow sunshine tomorrow night for for next edition of townhall krona virus facts and tears. Jamie Jimmy Dean will come back to you in our next segment owner turnout. Kosta. Jim Talk about the president's explanation for downplaying the virus even when he knew was airborne and how deadly it was. Well. You're talking about a few moments ago Anderson, the president was asked about these excerpts earlier today and he. Said at one point that he wanted to be a cheerleader that he didn't want to create panic Anderson, he hasn't been a cheerleader. He's been amiss leader I mean. Not Giving people. The. Opportunity to prepare to deal with viruses essentially what this president is guilty of tonight in in the name of not wanting people to panic. Anderson, you mentioned some of the things just a few moments ago the rallies, the masks, and so on. Remember during the spring the president was urging his supporters to essentially storm statehouses across the country and demand that their states be reopened. The president did that with the full knowledge That this virus was worse than the flu were deadly than the flu he was saying to Bob Woodward as Jimmy mcgann Gal has been reporting that this virus is not only dangerous for elderly people but for younger. Americans and yet the president has been advocating children to go back to the classroom, and so the president tried to put up excuse today that he didn't want people to panic. That's been echoed by trump advisors people inside the white. House. I've spoken to all day long but that just glosses over months and months of lies, Anderson? Yeah. You know Winston Churchill. The Dawn of the beginning of World War Two didn't say. Oh don't there's no way. The Germans are gonNA come. There's no way they're gonNA. You know not gonNA they're no way they're going to fly planes over and bomb us. There's no way You know it don't worry about this. It's it's just going to end you. Leaders true leaders rise to the occasion and are honest with people and you know what American citizens can handle the truth I. It's it's stunning to me that. Anybody would accept President Saying, oh well, we just WANNA panic people. Yeah. You don't WanNA scream. Lies in a crowded theatre Frankly this president has done many times in front of a large auditorium But honesty and telling the truth you know what Americans have been through tough times before and rising occasion. Anderson. I it's so much worse than that because he lulled half of this country into a false sense of security, he told his own supporters, millions of trump's supporters around the country that the scientists aren't to be trusted. mean. Remember Dr Fauci said on repeated occasions, Dr Anthony Factory was on the task force repeated occasions that he and his family received death threats that they're being harassed. because. There are so many people whipped up in this in this boat of hostility against public health experts and scientists in this country he's he's brought people out to rallies and had them sign waivers essentially signing their good health away to to coax them into rally. So he can run his reelection campaign the way he sees fit and Anderson. He is subjecting these people time and again to the coronavirus, we had a rally for all intents and purposes on the south. Lawn of the White House for his Republican National. Convention speech on the South Lawn of the White House as you remember Anderson were sitting shoulder to shoulder. Even, though the president privately was saying to Bob Woodward, he knew that this was a deadly virus and six indoor rallies correct me if I'm wrong after saying to Bob Woodward that it's airborne and far deadlier, and that's just in the early and that's just in the early weeks of the pandemic. Remember there was an interim period where he didn't have rallies and then there. was. The rally in Tulsa and these airport hangar rally since then and so tens of thousands of people have been exposed at his own events. Jim Acosta, appreciate it. Thank you perspective. Now from CNN she political analyst Gore's analyst Carl. Bernstein who in addition to being a legendary investigative reporter and author is also the legendary other half of Woodward and Bernstein also CNN's Abby Philip. Glory, the just the president's justification downplaying the virus want to create panic. Fear and he added today the last thing he wants to do is is you know show fear fear is the trump campaign strategy I mean that is that is. You know he told Woodward himself for the last book. The real power is fear that was the title of the last book. Yeah and he's and he's running on fear in this campaign talking about the mobs in in major urban areas. So provoking feared stirring fears when it suits his ex well, of course totally and I don't buy the argument. Oh, I didn't want to create panic. This is a president and he was very revealing to me today when he had his little press conference in he said leadership is about confidence and what he really meant I think if you read between the lines is he didn't want to appear to be weak. The worst thing you could tell, Donald. Trump is your week and he didn't want blame because what he was thinking about was they're going to blame me and I've got to get reelected and I don't want to shut down the economy and I don't want to do the things that perhaps sciences telling me that I ought to do. So I'M GONNA look like I'm in control even though it could cost people lives I mean it is transactional to the nth degree and it is outrageous for president united. States who is Jamie was saying before says he wants to keep the country safe and prosperous, but you can't keep the country prosperous unless you keep the country safe and that is what he totally abdicated his responsibility here. Certainly, a lot of people wondering why the person we're talking about Woodward Woodward had already come out with a book that the White House you know crippled with and and yet, and I guess some within the White House the president shouldn't do it. Are you surprised that that would got the president to commit to eighteen on the record interviews and and what do you make of of the significance of what we heard so far? Not surprised because trump regretted not talking to woodward or he said, he regretted not talking to Bob after the last book and trump is always thinking that he can charm anyone. Well, he's not GonNa Charm Bob Woodward. He's not going to charm a great reporter going to go and check everything out new is going to talk to dozens and dozens of. The president's aides and find out what the real truth is. But let's just take a deep breath here about what we just heard on those tapes. These are the ultimate smoking gun tapes in our history we have listened to the president of the United States commit probably the greatest felony by any president, our history he sits there in real time talking and covering up. His. Absolute dereliction. In which he ignores the national security of the United States ignores the health and safety of the people of this country in which he knowingly. Covers up what can cause tens of thousands of deaths there's never been a stunning moment captured on tape by leader. These are these are the Watergate tapes. This is something we've never had in our history. We've never had a president with this kind of attitude about the health and safety of the American people willing for his own reelection efforts to just throw away lives. This is the ultimate felony by President of the United States Abby. I mean it's interesting. You know. What Carlson is is interesting. If you think about if this had been a foreign invasion coming if as the president has said, it was if this had been a hurricane coming and the president had said, you know at the time to Bob Woodward while I don't Wanna I don't WanNa panic anybody about this hurricane. So I'm just going to say it's a Category One tropical storm and not really you know has the potential to really grow no, we don't do that we. People are informed about what the potential is and people again rise the occasion. Do you think it makes any difference? I mean so many times it's presidents phase controversy without real political consequences. Do you think it's going to be different this? We'll. Anderson. As. You're saying that the sad part about what you said is that we've actually had an example of the president trying to. Literally sharpie his way into a different version of the heard about and This is a real thing that has actually happened where the president creates his own reality The one that he thinks fits his. Reelection prospects political prospects best, and this is just another version of that involving the corona virus the consequences of which one hundred and nine hundred thousand people have lost their lives. But as far as whether this matters I mean, you know speaking to people around the president's campaign in his campaign they kind of basically chalk this up to another bad new cycle one of many by the way that he's had in several weeks and that after a couple of days a couple of weeks, this is going to all blow away. This is the pattern that they are used to since going back to two thousand sixteen. That there is a cycle of controversy and the president is able to either write it out or another controversy comes their way. What's different though about this is that this is a crisis that is going to be with the American people for a long time. This is a once in a one hundred year event for this country it will be written about in the history books. Indeed this is the first version of the history books and I don't think that it's something that's just GonNa blow away. This is what the election is going to be about and I think this one really is going to stick. Gore president trump had to campaign events yesterday bringing together hundreds of people without mass not social distancing. We know he holds rallies. He loves them feels like that was part of why he wanted two thousand sixteen I don't know if that's an excuse or he just really loves to perform and you know be able to tell the same stories he's told before and have people laugh. Do, you think that somebody in the light of what he said on the tape that? Well, of course, I. Ask this question willing to do, and of course, he's going to continue to do it because he has. Yes. Don't forget Anderson. This is a president who even recently, maybe it was last week was retreating a conspiracy theories about the death toll. Of from Corona virus that really wasn't as large as it is. So he what stunning is the can some bizarre way he was trying to impress Bob Woodward with what he knew but by doing that, he set himself up because it's very easy. If you go over the timeline as you've been doing Jamie's been doing that he was saying one thing to Woodward to tell him i. know all this stuff on the other hand lying to the American public lying to the public and saying Oh. It's just the flu. It's nothing it's nothing else and it's it's so striking. Because of course, he will continue it whether it will make a difference in the election. We don't know at this point but. This is people's lives and their livelihood here that he's playing with and I think it may be accepted differently by the American Public Corwin when former FBI director. Comey. James. Comey was testifying before the Senate intelligence committee back in two thousand seventeen he was asked about. Trump's tweet suggesting that should hope there aren't tapes of their conversations. Komi responded saying Oh Lordy I hope there are tapes the Woodward Book and tapes don't give the president much room to deny anything I. Mean he's now reshaping this just didn't want to have panic. Do you think he's GonNa? What do you think he's going to do the short term to get through this new cycle. He's going to be on Hannity nine o'clock tonight. So that's usual. Default us to go over to Fox News and and spin out something. But I think this time we are also talking about something that is shocking even to Republicans in Congress what happened was Richard Nixon was that finally the Republican leadership after hearing the smoking gun tapes went down to the White House march down to the White House including Barry Goldwater the nineteen sixty four nominee of is party to be president and told the president he must resign because of his crimes he had committed I'm not gonNA suggest the Republicans are about to do that I don't see. Lindsey. They know, but they have to confront this because this is something unique that no president has has allowed the loss life for his own narrow purposes as what we have here and the other element of this that we always have to consider what would a competent real leader have done honest leader. In this instance a few days he gets this information state of the Union addresses a few days off what Roosevelt have done. He would have gone before the Congress and said, we have a national emergency we must. Come together as a people fight this national emergency, take steps for open welfare. In the stead, we have the most devastating cover up happily it's recorded discover up on these devastating times called Bernstein Phil Gloria Borger. Thank you, Jimmy Gallon it and we're GONNA come back coming up next the president's post to Bob Woodward no less about secret weapon that he says China and Russia have not heard about is. Maybe kind of have now. 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Even before tonight, there are also new disclosures about which seems to be one of the nation's most closely guarded secrets least according to the president, a new nuclear weapon, the secret it appears no longer. If in fact, it's true all that plus some brutal assessments president trump I two of his top former officials and the president's own over the top opinion of some of his generals. Jimmy Johns L. joins us again with that. So the president is discussing a secret nuclear weapon system with Bob Woodward and it does appear to be true Woodward then went other sources and confirmed it but just to put it in perspective where we have audio from that interview, which we're going to play I, think it's worth knowing this is the very first interview that the president does with Bob Woodward I think he was trying to impress him perhaps but let's just put it in this perspective the president wasn't willing. To level with the American public about COVID. But he was willing to tell Bob Woodward about a new secret nuclear weapon system that he really shouldn't have been telling him about. Here's the interview. But I have built a nuclear weapon. I have built to weapons system weapon system that nobody's ever had in this country before we have stuff that you haven't even seen or heard about we have stuff that Putin and she had never heard about before. There's nobody what we have is incredible. And Tear Point Anderson they've now heard about it. And I mean if he's willing to tell Bob. That to suck up to Bob Woodward in their first meeting who knows what he said to Kim Jong Un, and Vladimir Putin. And he wanted to impress them. It is an interesting point because these eighteen and interviews happen tour in the Oval Office one was it mar-a-lago but the rest were phone calls from the residents late at night sometimes trump would unexpectedly call Woodward at night normally the White House in a normal. White House tape records interviews with reporters I have a feeling that the White House does not know a lot of what president trump said in these interviews to Bob Woodward would also reports on what an aide to General Mattis her the president. Saying the oval, Office about military generals. So just to stress, this aid is named he's on the record he's He was working for General Mattis. He was at a meeting in the Oval Office about a trade deal and just to tell you what he said. He heard was he goes to General Mattis and he says the president said, my effing generals are a bunch of you can read it up on the screen they care more about their alliances than they do about trade deals I'm suing that word is not patsies. Exactly Just just General Mattis. Than Defense Secretary. Mattis he wasn't born yesterday he says to his aid he listens to this story and he said, would you mind writing me an email about that? So he memorialize it in real time knowing Bob Woodward he may very well have a copy of that email. There were some brutal assessments of trump's presidency from pro probably many of those brutal from from many of his former top national security officials, former defense, Secretary James, Mattis we talked about former director of National Intelligence Dan Codes talk about what they told word. So so let me go through a couple of them from then Secretary of Defense General Mattis he is quoted by Woodward saying that trump was dangerous unfit has no moral compass. Also, an interesting story about Defense Secretary Mattis at the time he was so worried that. The United States might get into a hot war with North Korea Woodward recounts these extraordinary scenes where Mattis is going to the National Cathedral, repeatedly to pray because he so worried that he may be put in a position of shooting and killing millions of people, and at the same time, he's actually sleeping in close in shorts and t shirt so that he can get up in the middle of the night. In case there's a launch it it's just extraordinary. Dan Coats then the. Intelligence official director of National Intelligence. One of the most shocking things that Woodward writes about is that Dan Coats held suspicions that. Russia had something on president trump and I just wanted to read a quick part of this. Rights Coats continued to Herbert the secret belief one that had grown rather than lessened although unsupported by intelligence proof that Putin had something on trump how else to explain the president's behavior coats could see no other explanation and Woodward writes that coats found it remarkable that the top national intelligence official felt this way. Now Jimmy Gingell. Thanks for the reporting. It's just a it's really. stonings. Joining us now retired Lieutenant James Clapper. He's the former director of national intelligence colonel and it serves as a senior national security analyst. He's the author of facts and fears hard truth from a life in intelligence. Clapper. I'm the fact that the president is bragging to Bob Woodward about a secret nuclear I guess top secret or even higher nuclear weapons program just for Me National Security Perspective does that concern you? Of course Anderson it's pretty egregious because if the where we was talking to. Ever mentioned it to the Russians of the Chinese Day. For sure or going to intensify their until his efforts find out what what he's talking about if they don't already know about it. And, of course, as usual. His taken credit for military capabilities that at least were begun. Long before he arrived. So this is a you know really reprehensible on several lows. I'm wondering also your reaction to the president's broadside against his generals. Jimmy put up the quote of of what he He had said and was told to Madison the and also the care more lines is the more about alliances than than trade deals. You know obviously, it comes amid the most recent controversies. The quotes that the Atlantic has has reported the president said about. Service members who have died as well as generals, and now the president talking about the military industrial complex when his own defense secretary comes from a Raytheon was a lobbyist. Well, this is just near stunning reinforcement of the president's real disdain for the military. And this is part of a long pattern that preceded. The shocking Atlantic article in the allegations about His remarks about although soldiers who have given paid the all twice. So now we have yet more reinforcement. With the Bob Woodward. Book. And by the way attached to me. The having been on the receiving end of Bob, Woodward interviews for two or three of his books I can attest to skilled interrogator is and his ability as a talented get people to say things, and then to allowed to be recorded as incredible to me it just just the height adjustable. So this. Kind of makes the Watergate tapes Pale. You're clearly not from New York New York. was quits book, but I won't go into that off. So. Let me ask you what do you make of the Woodward reporting that former denied Dan Coats believes that Putin has something on on trump although I mean he makes clear the book series. He doesn't have any intelligence on that, but it just a belief that remained with coats. I think This. Also significant because to my knowledge, this is the first time Dan has. Interviewed with any when anyone in the media to talk about experience and the administration. Until I take whatever dance says saw a up to take very seriously. And, and so I think and of course, this has been a concern from from the outset gone back to twenty sixteen why the duffers to Russia and to Putin specifically. and. The president has never never once dined out Putin directly personally is administration may have taken action against the Russians but he himself never done loud. So this clearly is, is the obvious question do they have something on? Thatcher James Clapper Pritam thank you as always just ahead Joe Biden's harsh. A reaction to the Woodward book got an excerpt from a wide ranging interview with CNN that'll air full with our jake tapper tomorrow when three sixty continues. Shortly. After conversations between President Trump Bob Woodward first aired CNN jake tapper sat down with Joe Biden? The President's Democratic opponent in the twenty twenty race. The entire interview is going to Aaron full tonight night at four PM on CNN tonight we WanNa play you an excerpt from that interview. Prison Biden's response where the president said on those tapes Woodward during the early days the outbreak. In his upcoming book about Woodward reports that President Trump understood the serious risk posed by the novel coronavirus in early February take a listen to what? The president told Woodward February seventh grade the air that's how it's. passed. And so that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one It's also more deadly than your. You Know Your even your strenuous flus. This is deadly stuff as you know, the president spent. Much of February and even marts downplaying the risks of the novel coronavirus saying it would disappear saying the heat would make go away. What's your response to this news about what he was telling Bob Woodward on February seventh it's disgusting. We this on the day that one hundred returned one, hundred, ninety, thousand, Americans dead. And he knew this. I understand just got off the phone when he did the first interview Woodward just got off the phone with Xi Jinping. Whereas, praising she's eating transparency and this is nothing to worry about this going to go away like a miracle. The way that president trump explains it and he said this to Woodward on. March nineteenth, if you take a listen. Play it down. I still like playing it down. Yes. Because I don't want to create a panic. He said something similar this afternoon he said he didn't want to create a panic. That's why he downplayed it. He said leadership is about confidence yeah. That's why we have no confidence in his leadership. Look You saw what Columbia Medical School pointed out in. March had he acted one week earlier the be over thirty one thousand more people alive. At two weeks earlier would have been fifty thousand still alive. This caused people to die and what do you do in the whole time? He acknowledged that you breathe it it's in the air and he won't put on a mask. He's talking about it's ridiculous to put on. Masks. Social distancing for why have any of these rules? It was all about making sure the stock market didn't come down. That, his wealthy French didn't lose any money and that he could say that in fact, anything that happened had nothing to do with him. He will. He waved the white flag he walked away. He didn't do a damn thing. Think about it. Think about what he did not do. And it's almost criminal. Woodward also reports that former defense. Secretary. James Mattis said that trump quote has no moral compass. and that even floated collective action. with Dan Coats, the director of National Intelligence because trump is quote unfit. Would also says, the coats couldn't shake the suspicion that Putin had something on trump trump what do you make of this from his advisors? I think trump has just stunned everyone around him is just how. Corrupt is thinking is me think about this? Remember he said on under oath out under other shouldn't say that said that the American public that he didn't get that briefing on how dangerous coronavirus was he didn't get that from intelligence committee he never read the reports didn't have and they do with that. He saw the reports. He knew them in detail. At least we know we can read wind God's name. Didn't he move quicker on the Defense Production Act? Provide. The protective equipment for doctors and first responders widened you do that. He. Okay. He says he didn't WanNA, panic people well, at least make sure everybody has an equipment. They need just say that's just excessive caution he didn't even do that. I have I. Have Relatives all over the country and all over the political spectrum. How do you make the argument to relative I have in Texas? Who says yeah, this virus is horrible but it's not trump's fault. It's China's fault. Let's assume take both you're both at rollers. Points is China's fall was China's fault. Why did trump prays China? Why did he say how transparent? How transparent Xi Jinping the Chinese are going to be? Why did he insisted the forty four people we had there and while I and others assisting that they go in and be have access to see really what is happening to know the detail? Why did you not insist on that and the the virus is not as fall but the death star's fault because he could have done something about it. Jake I'd say to your uncle, he could have done something about it but he said nothing. He didn't talk. He said there's no need for social distancing don't bother wearing masks. He actually went so far as to suggest that it was a violation of American freedom to maintain you had to wear a mask. And look what's happened Again two, hundred, ninety, thousand, dead, and climbing was he doing now? He still has not move look at the schools that are not opening schooling. We we talked I mean I know you have young children well, guess what they're starting off school like the end last year at home. But think of all the people who don't have the resources to do that. Think that choice the single mom to make them I going to go to my seven dollar an hour job and lose my and or stay home with my kid I can't afford anybody. Almost criminal, the former vice president called it, and that's just a small excerpt of a much larger wide ranging interview with Joe Biden. Entire interview on the lead which tapper tomorrow four PM Eastern here on CNN we'll be right back moorhead. 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06:22 min | 3 months ago

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47:24 min | 8 months ago

Legendary reporter Bob Woodward releases new Trump audio

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Now, thousands of people all over the country tonight already have purchased this book went on Sale Today they've purchased it they have it at home. And they know that the one word you cannot apply to rage is boring. You have to be very careful when you choose to pick up this book because you won't be able to put it down. So make sure you have enough time before you start reading about relentless dysfunction of the trump. White. House will what Bob Woodward's former reporting partner Carl Bernstein now calls the president's homicide failure to tell the country the truth about the coronavirus, the pain resignations of trump cabinet members who believe they were protecting the country and the world from Donald. Trump What Donald Trump thinks about on golf courses what Dr Anthony Fauci thinks about Donald trump. And what Donald Trump's seemingly worshipful son-in-law actually says about Donald trump behind his back and that son-in-law. Jared Kushner today appeared on the today show and he disputed a passage in Bob Woodward's book here. Is that passage on page two, Sixty Four And by the way Kushner added that's why the most dangerous people around the president are overconfident idiots. It was apparently a reference to Mattis Tillerson and former white. House economic advisor Gary Cohn all had left. If you look at the balloon over time we've gotten rid of a lot of the overconfidence idiots and now he's got a lot more thoughtful people. who kind of know their place? And know what to do. On Hurley lost on jared. Kushner is the irony. That other members of the trump administration portray him as one of the Overconfident Idiots working for Donald trump in the Woodward book. For you. Thank you I just WanNa be clear because. He Woodward, says you referring to General, Mattis Tillerson and Gary Cohen Economic Advisor you're saying that's not who you meant. No. That wasn't clear and and again he's got tapes of everything I've tasted everything. So there was never implied in that regard but what I will say is that the President President trump now has phenomenal people around him people who agree with his agenda. Here's Woodward responded to that today on Washington. Post. Live. I'm quite interested in when. You're says, he has tapes, I have tapes I, tape him with his permission. I suspected he was taping me. He did not extend the courtesy to me that he was taping the conversation a beds fine and I report accurately would he said in the book and there are. Some much more important. For him by frankly. Among the more important quotes from Jared Kushner is his assessment jared Kushner's assessment of how many people in trump administration spend their day trying to save the world from Donald Trump. On page two, sixty two and I'm giving page numbers because I know viewers out there already have this book and you can flip to this page. In the beginning Kushner told others referring to the first years of the administration twenty percent of the people we had thought trump was saving the world and eighty percent thought they were saving the world from trump. Now I, think we have the inverse I think eighty of the people working for him think he's saving the world and twenty percent maybe less now think they're saving the world from trump. On. Washington. Post live. Phil Rucker Aspect Woodward about the possible existence of another set of tapes. Did you ever learn the president ever tape is ended the conversations that he had with you or any SASS listening to those phone calls that you knew about. I don't know a couple of times the White House up Raider commodity. In say Mister. Woodward the president would be be I. think that's the suggestion that Aping I. would assume they would do it but. In the resident said that I started thinking of him. Is the night prowler. that. I believe it's true. He doesn't drink radio of energy and engage. Bundy likes to talk with people at night and he's walking around the White House in pick up the phone. Call me tape. You know how you do it I just. Check in. We had a vivid preview earlier tonight of how Donald Trump is going to handle the bought Woodward Book in the presidential. Debates because this book will be an exhibit in those debates. If you believe the president's responsibility to protect America. Why would you downplay a pandemic? That is known to disproportionately harm low income families and minority communities. Well I didn't downplay it I actually in many ways I up played in terms of action by action was very strong south. Nicholas? What I? Will a debate maters do what Johnny Powell just did when Donald Trump lied? She came right back at him and said as he was talking over her, did you not admit it admit to it yourself that? Donald trump denies that he downplayed the corona virus will the debate moderator moderators play Donald Trump's words to bob. Woodward. Well I think. Bob. Really. To be honest with you I want you wanted to. I wanted to always play it down I still like playing down. Yes because I don't want to create a panic. Leading off our discussion tonight Democratic Congressman Eric Swat Well California. He's a member of the House intelligence. Committee and the House Judiciary Committee also whether she gene Robinson Associate Editor and Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for the Washington Post. He is a colleague of Bod words at the Washington Post and he is an MSNBC political analyst harms and swallow. Let me start with you and let me start with what we saw a Johnny Powell student in. Philadelphia. Do. Tonight. With the president using the president's own word to the president and she got to stand there and watch him lie to her and deny that he used that word downplay downplay the coronavirus as we heard him say to Bob Woodward. Gives you a lot of faith Lawrence in America's future and have to say zooming into a lot of different high school and Middle School classes. As of late, the best questions come from the next generation they don't really have an agenda, but they are able to call bs because they're digital natives and they know exactly what you said and you saw that on display tonight this president is you know though he has downplayed the effects of the virus he has not played at. All as when it comes to coming to Congress and working with us to collaborate to address the testing, the tracing, of course, the funds that are needed in our communities. We have the heroes, act in the house and he has up played inciting violence and so he's playing this all the wrong way and I, think you just saw tonight that the next generation if they show up in force on November three, he's going to pay a real price after trying to play them. Page three, fifty four for viewers out there who already have the book this is Dr. Anthony Fauci talking back at church. That's right. Dr Anthony Fauci talking about President. Trump Dr Anthony Fauci says the president is on a separate channel FAUCI. Later told others trump's leadership was rudderless. Gene Robinson. Doctor FAUCI has been a very careful of, but he has said enough that Bob Woodward being the reporter that we know he is was able to pick that up and deliver it, and that's that is, of course what we have assumed. From our distance, the doctor filed she thinks about President trump that he is just rudderless. Yes because who wouldn't think that watching the president's response to the pandemic I mean we we saw it unfold in real time. Really it's. It's it's What Bob Does with this book is. Tell a story that we kind of knew but he really gets inside which is the classic Woodward known by Google for forty years to. The local news editor at The Washington. Post who hired a young reporter name Eugene Robinson to cover mayor. They marry in Berry eons ago. And I have watched him over the years he is the he is the. cleverest most relentless, most resourceful reporter I've ever know and and that's always the problem with the Woodward Book and it's it certainly the problem with this book, He always has the receipts he has the tapes he he has everything nailed Dow. So you know I, think I suspect president trump knows. Dr. Belching. That's the way he really feels about his leadership be probably doesn't like seeing it in print I I suspect he knows a lot of monster what's in the book or people of them and and he's going to have to live with it including in the debates and hopefully at a the fold on November third as well. Gene before. I. Go back to Arnesen Swallow. Let let me go to the issue that's being debated certain not just among people in the news media but people out there asking the questions should Bob Woodward have revealed earlier what Donald Trump really knew about the coronavirus and revealed earlier than this book does that the president was actually not telling the truth about what he knew about just how deadly and dangerous the coronavirus was. Well? You know my feeling and maybe it's affected by the fact that are I know Bob this well and have such great respect for work. But my feeling is let Woodward Woodward. He puts the facts together in in in context any needs time to do that any actually does it a really remarkably telescoped period of time These are recent interviews that are better forming the heart of this book. And and it's out now before the election of so I you know he didn't have the context for all the president's remarks when when the president told him back in February how how deadly the virus was and it was that was airborne. I. Properly had no way of knowing whether or not. That was true I think one of the one of the problems with reporting on Donald, trump is is that you don't know if what he telling you is true or not. You've got a report around it to to figure that out and Carson's well well, we've heard Anthony Fauci say that Donald Trump is rudderless. His own son-in-law says exactly the same thing using different language and Bob Woodward has it on tape his own son-in-law says, he doesn't know where he's going A. Pretty much all of the time, and therefore we never know where he's going to end up his son-in-law also says when Donald Trump says, yes that is what is what jared Kushner calls a soft. Yes. Because the next person who comes in the room is going to convince them of something else and so this portrayal of Donald, trump as rudderless anthony budgies word is something that jared Kushner himself supports fully in everything he is quoted as saying about his father-in-law. And Lawrence what do we get out of a rudderless leader? We've? Only received. We've only seen a death when it comes to the coronavirus in apparent of two kids a couple of weeks now into the school season. So many of us are asking imagine what country we could be in right now if he had a north star rather than being rudderless, imagine if he'd commanded this great country and our manufacturers to produce the protective equipment in the testing so that our teachers and students could be. Tests and say once a week and our kids could be in person learning right now. But we have a rudderless president We have no idea when our kids can go back into their classrooms and we have no idea. We're GONNA come out of this pandemic again. Yeah. He may be rudderless and Kushner may think that's a benefit. But what has any parent or family in America gotten out of that nothing? You know when when you? Talk about the families of kids going back to school, and we think about the teachers going back to school and we think about, let's say the teachers gathered in a teacher's room somewhere during a break social distancing. What if one of them sneezes? Will they all behave the way donald trump behaves when someone sneezes in the Oval Office let's listen to Bob Woodward's tape of. Donald. Trump describing that. Easily transmissible. You wouldn't even believe it. I know it's I. Mean you can. You can be in the room. I was in the White House couple of days ago. It meeting ten people in the Oval Office in a guy seized incidentally not a horrible you such as. The entire room bailed out. Okay. Tooting me by the way. Gene Robinson is an alternative to the entire room out, and that is, of course, having many fewer people in that room socially distanced and wearing masks. And wearing masks. But of course, he wouldn't do that and it's it's fascinating. This is what we saw at the rally the night whenever. I asked him about You know having having a rally at this time and he said Oh you at all concerned he's playoff. He's away from the sort of Petri dish of infection. He had created out there in the crowd. So he wasn't worried at all. It's all about it's all about. All about Donald. Trump. It's not about anybody else and that's the tragedy that's less. But what has led the loss of nearly two hundred thousand lives and this enormous disruption? In in in our economy and in our lives, I mean think of the small businesses that used to frequent that I used to frequent that have just gone away and that will not come back and that didn't have to have. Carson Swale. Well, did you attend the last two state of the Union address that the President delivered? I did the rush limbaugh the above it makes the point in his book that in that State of the Union address, which is days after. Donald trump is telling Bob Woodward how deadly the coronavirus is. That Donald Trump spent more time talking about rush limbaugh than he did talking about the coronavirus or wanting any of its dangers. bubbled will be here tomorrow night and we'll hear more from him about it congressman Eric Well Eugene. Robinson thank you both very much for starting us off tonight. My pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. And when we come back Stacey, Abrams will join us been fighting voter suppression since before anyone heard of the coronavirus but the pandemic has made her job much much harder stacey aprons. We'll talk discuss what she's doing to make sure people can vote safely and make sure that their votes will actually be counted in. November. Carla Hall founders success as a two time finalist on top chef and as a TV personality on G. M. A. and Netflix's crazy delicious. But the biggest moments in Carla's life have come when she decided to face adversity head on her motto say Yes to everything life throws your way. In her new wondering podcast say, yes with Carla Hall Carlos Sits Down with some of the most inspiring celebrity personalities as they explore their challenges and how they got to their. Yes. In episode one Carla Chats with Kristen Bell about everything from how she faces being a working mom in. Hollywood. In the public eye to the liberation, we can feel when we just admit that sometimes we don't know and there are even more great moments to come in interviews with guests like Billy Porter Martha Stewart Gretchen Rubin Lonnie Love, and many more subscribe to say yes with Carla Hall on Apple, podcasts spotify or listen ad free on the wondering. APP. Wondering feel the story. Hey It's Chris as this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with Tony Belco about what it's like to run a restaurant during the coronavirus. My sense is given what kind of. Getting from the veterans in the industry who I do know and how worried they are about things by senses they're extraordinarily worried the situation that these loans have put us in. It's given us a little bit of a lifeline, but it's kind of put us in a strange position where we're kind of like sort of acting like an unemployment office or maybe unemployment officers. So it's it's a very. Weird position to be in. I think it's a very dangerous position to be because I don't think it's very easy for most of us who are trying to run restaurants to like focus on what's going to really help this thing survive I just WanNa make sure that people have incomes. That's this week on wise is happening search for why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe Stacey Abrams is one of the producers of a new documentary now on Amazon called all in the fight for democracy. Gentlemen Stacey. I started running for governor the anticipated the voter suppression was going to be instrumental in Brian Kim campaign and we were eight. I knew something had gone horribly wrong. System is supposed to protect our democracy. Didn't work the way. It was supposed to things like new voter ID laws purging your knocked off the role and the United States, the right to vote is the only right you can. Simply for not using it, we've got a lot of work to do unless we fight for the right to vote. For. Democracy is. Put at risk. The fight over voting rights ultimately about power the states have figured out how to stop. African Americans Hispanics, Asian, Americans, the young and the poor. From voting the vote matters you belong you have value. Joining us now Stacey Abrams the former Democratic leader of the Georgia House of Representatives and the founder of the voter protection pack fair fight action. She's also one of the producers of this new Amazon documentary all in the fight for Democracy Stacey Abrams thank you very much for joining us that and just a quick note. Rachel and I were wondering, did you check with Chris as about the title all in and? Kind of say. Okay. With me. I would say we did a global google search and it was not protected. So we went. And I'll never forget when I discovered that you cannot copyright titles you can pretty much everything else. So the documentary is telling the story of where we are in terms of degree of difficulty. Does it also give us a road map of what to do between now and election? Day? Absolutely, the point of the documentary was to meet people where they are, but also give them context for what we face. That means understanding the history of voter suppression knowing what it used to look like. So we understand recognize what it looks like today, but we're so proud of the film and the social impact campaign, which is also called to action telling people what they need to do to meet this moment to protect their right to vote project that right for others the the the film. Gives a context for people who might get the feeling that this is something new I think there are a younger people who might think voting was going along smoothly and then starting somewhere around when Stacey Abrams was running for governor, the Republicans started to get really tricky about this this this gives people the real historical view and the present day view. Absolutely, I wrote a book earlier this year called our time is now it's a little bit longer than the Phil and for me, the issue was making that we tell the story in the history of voter suppression and multiple the media. But that we also tell people how we can address it, and so in addition to the film itself, we have a website called all in voting dot com where you can get all the information you need about how to fight voter suppression now but to your point at a young person who worked on my campaign and eighteen and. In an offhand comment said to me, they need to come up with sex year way to describe poll taxes. I don't really understand the point and that really cemented her me the fact that we need younger people to understand what has been done before. So we understand that we did make progress. We may not have defeated voter suppression, but we've made it through voter suppression before we can make it through in two thousand twenty. What can you do about the postal service this year and making sure the male moves fast enough since that's under Donald Trump's postmaster general's control. First of all, we need folks not to panic, and then we need them to make a plan to vote. Early if you want to vote by mail and most states, you can vote by mail early enough that you can get it in, get it counted or you can go to a dropbox. We do know that the Republicans are suing in states like Pennsylvania and Ohio to block you drop boxes but we also have good people who are fighting To make those boxes available and then there's always the ability to vote in person. So I tell people make a plan to vote by mail, make a backup plan to vote in person early, and at the last minute if you can't make sure you have a backup to you're backed up so you can vote on election day on November third I know you're out there when you can in the ways that you can campaigning for Joe Biden Kamala Harris. For the ticket. And I said earlier in this hour that we saw a preview of what the presidential debate was going to be when a Johnny Powell a student in. Philadelphia asked Donald Trump about his own words that we've heard on Bob Woodward's tape saying that he'd likes to downplay the corona virus. Donald trump immediately denied ever using that word. This is what Joe Biden is going to be facing. How do you handle that on the debate stage? I'm not sure what the moderators are going to choose as their role in a moment like that. Where Donald Trump is clearly lying about words we know he's used. But that will surely happen when Joe Biden's on that stage. What we tell people about the fight against voter suppression and misinformation applies here. Number One don't repeat the lie. Make certain because when we repeat the, we actually make it sound like truth instead replaced the live with an actual truth. Dick with your truth and repeat that and so I'm Joe Biden when I face a live from Donald Trump, which will probably take a good eighty percent of the debate than I would simply use my time to tell the truth not to chastise into chide they. Yes. That was a lie and the move immediately to the reality because people are hungry for truth they're hungry for knowledge about what is what will be and they want to see leadership to this willing to say, yes, you can trust the evidence of your own is. The what are you find is the biggest challenge in activating the vote. We know what the challenges are in terms of suppression. We know what the challenges are that you're talking about what about actually inspiring turn out. One of the ways I think you best inspire turnout by being honest about what voting is and what it's not boating's not a magic pill. It's not gonNA, solve every challenge and we don't elect saviors, but it does give us progress at does move us forward and so when I'm talking young people are protesting in the streets I validate their protests but then I encourage them to protest at the ballot box because that's how you take your demands, it turn them into policies and then protest at. City Hall of protests and your meetings because that's how you make certain accountable. But the second is we have to connect the DOT instead of lecturing people on why you should vote ask them what they're concerned about what their needs are, and then you activate voters by connecting their concerns with the political solution that could help move them forward. When we connect action to need, we get activated voters who are willing to turn out and brave the challenges of voter suppression because voting in this election will work. Stacey Abrams. Thank you very much for joining us. Tonight. The new film produced by Stacey Abrams on Amazon has the unforgettable title all in. And Chris Hayes has nothing to do with Stacey. Abrams thank you very much for joining us. Thank you sir. When we come back? Can the Democrats really win another Senate seat in a red state like Montana that Donald Trump easily won four years ago Democratic senator, Jon Tester did it he wanted he won his Senate in Montana and he'll tell us how Democrats can win another Senate seat in. Montana. Next. Hi everyone it's joy Reid. I'm so excited to tell you about my new MSNBC show the readout. Every weeknight I'm talking with the biggest news makers about the most pressing issues of our time like Joe Biden the words of president matter and so as President United States the first thing I'm GonNa do stand up and talk sense and be honest with the American people level with them Atlanta Mayor Keisha Land's bottom. We need as many voices as we can have. As possible sounding the alarm encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions to Baal the science and the data Senator Harris, we send folks into war wearing camouflage. So what is going on here when you said camouflaged uniformed officers into a city and many more, you can listen to the readout as a podcast by searching for the readout that's R. E. I D. O. U. T. One word wherever you're listening right now and subscribing for free. Thanks for listening. On August Sixth Montana's Democratic Governor Steve Bullock who's now running for United States Senate, gave all counties in the state the option to conduct the November election entirely by mail as they did for the June primary as tonight forty, six of Montana's fifty six counties have to automatically send ballots to their registered voters Montana's first. Male. Primary in June set the state record for votes in the state primary thirteen percent higher than the last presidential primary election in the twenty eighteen mid-term elections. Seventy three percent of the votes cast were absentee ballots. That's one Montana's democratic senior Senator John Tester won re election for his third term by a three point five percent margin seventeen thousand nine hundred thirteen votes, Senator John Testers. New Memoir is grounded the senators lessons on winning back rural. America Senator Jon Tester writes in the book from the rural. Community. Still. Call Home I learned that the worst thing a politician can do is to abandon authenticity and hard work and to take anything or anyone for granted in Montana character authenticity matter leaders who lack good character are usually shown the door by the voters who expect it. It's how I want a third term in a red state after voting against Neil gorsuch and Brett, cavenaugh and after. And after the president and his kid and the president tried their damnedest to beat me so. I know what you're thinking if character matters than how to do reality TV performer from New York City easily beat Hillary Clinton in Montana for years ago after the access Hollywood video came out. We have the perfect person here to answer that question joining us now is Senator Jon Tester of Montana and senator. Let's begin there on the character point because the way you described. The Way Montana voters see politicians is the way I always thought they did back when I was working in the Senate with the Democratic senator from Montana Max Baucus. Those are the voters elected the legendary Mike Mansfield to the United States Senate of they vote for you and. Please, explain to me why so many of your own voters vote for Donald Trump Well, because he showed up and I think that's the first rule of politics. Lawrence is you know you have to show if you're going to get their support the other thing is Democrats need to talk about what we stand for affordable accessible healthcare. Make sure we in quality public education making sure that Medicare social security is going to be around making sure that we have infrastructure rose to get our products to market or or whether it's good clean water and sewer systems or or whether as pandemic shortest. That we need more bribing. Veterans. Look the list is long and I think that the values The Democratic Party lineup well with people in rural. America we've got talk about those values. We gotta talk about those issues that are so important to us, and we've got a show and I think that's that's what's really. Secret Sauce here other than being authentic showing respect. You've got two years at one mouth act accordingly listen listen hard and then come back and talk to them about solutions we have whether it's for help here education infrastructure. Social Security Medicare, whatever it might be. So Donald Trump's been attacking mail in voting exactly. The kind of voting you're going to be using in Montana he's been attacking it relentlessly. And so there's a very still a very good chance. Donald Trump will win. Montana. I don't expect to hear him complaining about how Mellon Voting Works in Montana. Look. I think mail anything. First of all, the governor has done a great job and I think the counties have done a marvelous job in in in in adopting the the mail in voting models I. Think we're going to see the same pennant turnout November that we saw the June primary where it's going to be record turnout the the the bottom line is I don't think donald trump likes male imbalanced people to vote. He only wants his people vote and I think male unbalanced get out a better opportunity for everybody to vote in. Put on top of that we're in the middle pandemic. This is the time to utilize mail in ballots so that people can keep themselves safe. From this from this virus that that is very real and by the time fog, it's going to be even more real. I believe which is very unfortunate but nonetheless, the governor's put forth some policies and in the in the county gop to them as you said, forty, six six counties and and I, think that's a positive step, two people to vote and. It's very, very important a general election in November. So you've gotten elected and reelected as a Democrat in Montana Steve Bullock has been elected as a Democrat statewide governor. He's now running for Senate as a Democrat does the political dynamic change for a Democrat? Is it more difficult for a Democrat to win a Senate seat then to win the governorship of Montana? I don't know because I've never run for governor, but it was pretty artist arguing Senate seat Montana after work hard at we've got a hardworking governor that is working hard and I think that. I think Steve Bullets going to be very very well this election I think there's still a lot of time before election fifty days as an eternity is you know in Politics Lawrence? But the bottom line if we talk about what's been accomplished by the governor versus watchmen accomplished by the incumbent junior senator bullish with a single. And senator of the fires in the North West what is the effect? In Montana because we're we're seeing tonight that some of the effects in the nor the further north you go are really shockingly bad. Montana sheriff fires this year but nothing compared to what California Oregon and Washington have gone through in are going through. Force management is is always a big issue in the West I don't care if you remind our or south or or Western and and I will tell you that there are some things that we can do that. That that can address this problem. And I I've worked I've worked with collaborative in our state. These are folks on the ground and these are folks and chainsaws, their hands or environmentalist conservationist recreations that all sit down at the table and they discuss what the challenges are and what the solution can be and they've come up with some pretty darn good collaborative I've got what we're going to have airing on tomorrow of call the black and clearwater stewardship bill, but the bottom line. Is. You can bring people together which this presents never dot by the way. But if you can bring together, get him at the table and talk about solutions, you'll find out in short order. They have far more common that they have difference and you can come up with some pretty darn good solutions and I think that is the key to solving the fire problems are force in the West senator how lonely is it for you among Democratic senators? To talk about appealing to rural voters and I want the audience to remember that some of the senators who represent the biggest states in the country the California centers the New York Senators have a lot of rural voters themselves. They have big big tracks of rural voters. And I've seen new. York. Senator pay an awful lot of attention to rural voters upstate. But do you find that there's a difficulty in getting your Democratic Senate colleagues to understand what it's like to be out there talking to those voters? I think they want to get out and do it. Max. Baucus stop me some early on. You said you gotta start early because every minute you as early you never get back into campaign and I, think that's the challenge get as many votes as possible. So you tend to go to the marsh populated areas, but the bottom line is people in rural America really appreciate it when you show. Up they they want to hear what you have to save, but they also want to tell you what what's on their mind to, and I think Democrats did that more I. Think we'd have better results in rural America I think it's critically important as I said earlier, I think it's really really important because Democrats lineup with rural. America. Much better. The Republicans do we just don't talk enough about? Senator. Jon Tester who is now the bravest person in the book publishing field because his book grounded is landing in Bookstores Today on the same day that Bob Woodward's book is landing in bookstores good luck with that Senator Tester. It's pleasure. And rogava pack. There's plenty of for everybody to read. Thanks very much. Really appreciate your joining us. We'll be right back with breaking news as residents of the Gulf coast brace now for Hurricane Sally. Tonight, we're tracking another hurricane hurricane sally is expected to make landfall early tomorrow morning in Alabama, bringing historic rainfall and flooding to the Gulf coast. There is a threat of powerful winds and tornadoes along Hurricane Sally's. Arcane sell, it is one of five named storms currently in the Atlantic something that has happened only once before in history joining us now is MSNBC's Alabel she in Orange Beach Alabama and the path of Hurricane Sally Ellie what is the situation there tonight What's very unusual lords because we've had this kind of wind and rain for. Hours right now and we are many many hours away from landfall. In fact, this is a remarkably slow moving storm. It's moving at about a forward motion of about two miles an hour. So you could easily walk faster than the storm and what are the problems when a storm moves that solely is that it dumps. Rain for a long time so that even if the winds don't get up past a category one, you've been getting water soaking into the ground allowing treason polls to fall more easily with sustained winds. The other issue of course is that some of these things are water issues. Some of these wind issues we may end up getting a category one hurricane when it makes landfall probably by. The way either right over us or just a few miles to the west of US between and Mobile Alabama. But as you mentioned, there have been five there, five Atlantic storms and one of the things about the the warming of the earth is that the warming of the ocean is taking place in that allows storms which are quite routine going on for all of history to gain strength. So that is one aspect of climate change that affects he sees the other one is that the prevailing winds and up creating a pattern in which allows these storms to build, and then the third issue is earlier this afternoon way before there was a lot of rain we started seeing drains backing up. So you see in even warm weather, sunny weather and dry. Weather you have less drainage as water levels increase. So this area is dealing with all of this was devastated around here in Hurricane Katrina in two thousand and five are still things that haven't rebuilt since then and those who have rebuilt had to do. So with an eye toward a stronger building codes putting things on still. So I'm here at the tides hotel. In, Ocean beach the lobbies on the fourth floor of this hotel parking structure below it because everybody's gotten wise to this, you could see the lit up here behind me and the waves that crash again it up here that should be about twenty feet above the top of the water. So extreme weather in this region, it's not something that they're not used to around here, but you really never get accustomed to the fact that these. Hurricanes come in and do as much damage as they're doing. So we're in it. Now for the next several hours, it may be, it may be another twelve hours before we see landfall this thing is moving very very slowly up the go Gulf coast, and then it'll move inland and make a right turn and head toward the Carolinas after it hits US law arts, the amazing Ollie Belci stay safe my friend. Thank you for joining us. I blush. I know that looks hard what else she was doing. It is much much harder than it looks. Donald. Trump has made history once again, this time it is both political history and science history. That's next. Donald Trump has made history once again, Donald Trump's rejection of science has led scientific American. To do something, the magazine has never done in. It's one hundred, seventy, five years in print endorse a presidential candidate. The magazine's editors feel compelled to break that tradition and endorse Joe Biden for president writing the evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the United States and its people it's time to move trump out an elect. Biden who has a record of following the data and being guided by science? Another scientific journal has a reaction to the reporting in Bob. Woodward's book that Donald Trump lied publicly about the real dangers of the virus after telling Bob Woodward on February seventh that it is deadly stuff in an article for Science magazine Holden four refers to what Bob Woodward has reported this way. This may be the most shameful moment in the history of. Science Policy. Join. Gushing now is Laura Helmuth the editor in chief of scientific American. Laura, thank you very much for joining us tonight and welcome to politics I know you date of it for about one hundred, seventy, five years actually when you consider. The publication you're working for but what was the point where you decided scientific? American. Had to say something. Well we started talking about this editorial a few months ago, and of course, it's a big. One hundred and seventy five year tradition. You don't break that. We. Took the decision very seriously, but it was unanimous and it was immediate. The trump administration has been so bad for science for Public Health for the environment. For International Collaborations for basically all the things that make life good and that gives us a chance of getting out of this pandemic and so we really felt like it was our responsibility to show what the evidence shows about. Trump's. Just incompetence on science in his wilful. Misrepresentation of reality and endorse Joe Biden, who has a much better record and we think is is really the the way to to restore our safety and our scientific enterprise. Was it the president's handling of the corona virus that was the determining factor here? Yeah I mean that's just the most recent part in obviously it's the most deadly. It's the most terrible but his record on climate science is also deadly I. Mean if you look at the at the hurricanes in the wildfires that we're seeing this week climate science is urgent it's going to be with us throughout our lifetimes. It's so important for us to take seriously to mitigate it to prepare people and to share just real information rather than conspiracy theories about it and that's just throughout the trump administration. He's been dismantling scientific expert advisory boards pulling us out of international agreements. And just spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation, and the whole purpose of science and Scientific Journalism and journalism is to share what we actually know about the world. So in all these ways, he's contrary to our mission at scientific American. What was the reaction when you saw the president in California at a briefing from officials Aaron California about the fires and the Secretary of Natural Resources explained just did thirty forty seconds explaining to him the dramatic increases in temperature that California has been suffering under that have been fueling the fire to which the president of the United States just said it's going to get cooler meaning winter is eventually coming. It's it's just breathtaking. You every time you think you can't be more wrong. He finds a way to be more wrong than he was before and saying that you know science doesn't understand wildfires or science doesn't understand climate. Climate Change. It's just not true. There are all these things we know to be true based on good evidence and he denies them or says the exact opposite, and of course, the worst is throughout the pandemic he's been instead of sharing accurate trustworthy information. He's been stoking racism and xenophobia and sharing conspiracy theories and it just every day. There's. There's less reality more misinformation from this administration. Laura Hellmuth who really doesn't want to be here tonight Laura Helmet, thank you very much. For joining us with the History Med by scientific. American. Today, we really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Laura home guests tonight's last word. 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Trump holds rally without distancing and few masks

"This show is sponsored by facebook. FACEBOOK has taken steps to better secure their platforms. What's next their support of updated Internet regulations to set new standards for data portability privacy and elections learn more at about dot F. B. Dot, com, slash regulation. Trump claims he's not a liar despite being caught not telling the truth about how dangerous the coronavirus is. Tonight he's again putting the lives of his own supporters at risk plus the CDC now projecting up to twenty five, thousand more Americans could die from krona virus in the next three weeks and remember when trump promised to healthcare plan more than three years ago within three years ago. Where is it? Let's go out front. Good evening I'm Erin Burnett out front tonight president trump about to speak at a rally without social distancing or masks the president defiant tonight as he's facing fire for recordings prove he intentionally downplayed the severity of the virus tonight again, choosing to put the lives of his own supporters at risk take a look at the crowd This is in Free Michigan this is September two thousand twenty just to make that clear because I don't see. Oh there I see one. No social distancing no masks it is a scene but is becoming far too common. Two thousand trump's supporters packed together. Two thousand people know social, distance. You just saw one mass there in the shots we've been showing you none none in any of these shots were showing. And the truth is the president understands severity of the virus. He knows how easily it spreads through the air. He knows that it's worse than the flu he told Bob Woodward all of this actually back in February seventh new at then. Get since then he has held rally after rally like tonight's right rally after Rally Phoenix Colorado Springs Charlotte in Michigan again and again, and today he's trying to clean up his comments Bob Woodward. Why did you to the American people and why should we trust what you have to say terrible question and the phraseology I didn't lie what I said is we have to become we can't be panicked course. The flu and you went out and told the American public. This was just like the flu. Warriors. And five times right five times you ever hear the expression five times we've had flu years we lost one, hundred, thousand people. The flu is a very serious problem for this country also, and we've been losing them Scott what kind of a number have we lost over the years with flus into the hundreds of thousands. I mean last five. Thirty, five, thousand. Every. Even with FBI viral drugs. But just said, this is worse than the. The most strenuous flu and you went out and said, it's just like the flu. What I went out and said is very simple. What I went out and said is very simple. I want to show. A level of confidence and I WANNA show. Strength as a leader and I want to show that our country is going to be fine one way or the other whether we lose. One person we shouldn't lose any because this shouldn't have happened. This is China's fault. President says, he didn't lie that he was just trying to protect the American people. So let's just break this down again I want to play again what president trump told Bob, woodward. Goes it goes through air. Bub That's always tougher than the touch. You know the touch you don't have to touch things right but the air you breathe the air and that's how it's passed. and. So that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one. It's also more deadly than your. You Know Your even your strenuous lose. Okay obviously that is not with the president told the American people at that time for months afterwards, he repeatedly compared to the flu and in fact, not just compared to the flu he explicitly did. So in the context of telling all of us that the flu was worse, right he would put all these numbers of how many people died from flu and and look at fifteen people from coronavirus people are the point is he kept saying it was all nothing it will all go away. He he he was it was the flu as worse and on top of all bat, he continued to hold rallies fully knowing it was airborne as you heard him tell a Mr Woodward. and. He did this thinking that it would kill five percent of the people who got it right? The number he told Bob Woodward five percent, right. so He's thinking by percent of the people get this virus are GonNa die, which means he was holding rallies thinking five percent of people who attended could die. Now. That is appalling and the president is now trying to suggest that that he did all this in order to prevent. Panicking. Okay. So let's take that part of it. In case you think maybe there's something in there. It just doesn't add up as a acclaimed because trump thrives on blowing up fears right it is part of his political and presidential brand. Remember this when Mexico sends his people, they're not sending their best. They bring bringing drugs they in crime, their rapists, and some I assume are good people they set up these caravans. In many cases they put their worst people in the caravan they're not going to put their best in. They get rid of their problems. Biden wins it will be a giant jailbreak for MS thirteen and face use criminal gangs. This will be the most fraudulent election in history. Okay, this is not a person who tries to keep people from panicking on topic after topic that is a president who feeds on fear Jim Acosta's out front live at trump's rally. In freeland Michigan Tonight and Jim. We've been looking at all those pictures I saw one person with a mask and all the different angles that we just showed people a moment ago you have been speaking to some of the people who are there tonight gathered to hear the president what do they think about all this? You know Aaron a lot like the president's who was defying reality earlier today what he was insisting he wasn't lying to people about the GRANOLA buyers. Of all on Bob Woodward, we've been talking to a number of people this evening who don't grow viruses and actual. And they're gonNA believe the president no matter what he says I tell you right now standing in this aircraft hangar other you have hundreds if not thousands of people standing shoulder to shoulder not social distancing and not wearing masks and I talked to some of the folks are gathered for the president just a arrive your dispute moments go on Air Force One. Some of the attorneys told me white blank. That if they with corona virus soapy it here's what they had to say. I'm not. Afraid. The good Lord takes care of me if I died. We gotTA. Get. This country moving. So, there have a one gentleman in the audience here saying, goodbye die I die. So be it. Air I talked to another man here I. Asked him. Why he wasn't wearing a mask, you said, he doesn't believe run of ours is a problem at all doesn't really believe that it's a threat to him whereas health and when I pointed out to them that the president talk to, Bob Woodward. And said on tape. That this virus is deadly, it is dangerous and it is a more harmful than the seasonal flu. The van was sort of roses for a moment inside while still doesn't believe viruses as a problem, but he believes the president an errand that is a sentiment. You'll find the route these rallies This is I. Think if you look at what's what's brewing here? Tonight, this is a potential super sputter venue people Brampton this aircraft hangar yester- outside, and there are a few here and there wearing masks but by and large just like the president. To find this administration's own guidelines. Nineteen. Defying Yeah. Thank you very much Jim and and I think also giving an example of the president of the power. He has the power he could have had to to have a very different outcome here. In front now to frontline workers from to hard hit areas of the country Dr Mike Sagas runs an outpatient clinic for covid. He's a professor of Medicine Infectious Disease at the University of Alabama Birmingham and Dr Murtaza. Er. Doctor. Health Medical Center Assistant. Professor. Also, at the University of Arizona College of Medicine in Phoenix dodger your county is number three right now in the United States for confirmed cases and your number six for deaths. The President says that he did not lie to the American people right when he said Thousands of tens of thousands of deaths from flu and eleven or twelve from krona virus. Don't worry about it even as. Even as obviously he told Bob Woodward, it's airborne and five percent of the people who are going to die. Those are the numbers he thought at the time Do Do you think that what he said to the American people? Made this. Worse. Absolutely made it worse he clearly has some sort of a cult following VAQTA regardless of data will follow whatever he says you would think as president he was used to his advantage intensity topical things would help them help save lives, the fact that he knew even when doctors and scientists debating whether it was contact air saliva or droplet effect that he knew that could be breathed in means that he could very early onset people. If you wear masks, you could dramatically reduce the amount of deaths and yet despite knowing that he went the other way, and now we have a couple hundred thousand people who are dead it's really appalling. Right and as I said, a forecast for another twenty, five thousand in the next in the next three weeks dodger you head cove yourself, you have recovered your state has had. More. Than One hundred, thirty, five, thousand confirmed cases so far. So if the president had said publicly what he said to Bob Woodward privately in the context of this is bad. This could be incredibly deadly. We're going to get through this together. This is what I need you to do. That involves masks. Would he have made things better or would he as he says, make people panic and have made things worse? I think it would have been a game changer and it still can be. That's the part that we don't want to miss out on me. We still have the epidemic spreading throughout our communities right now, as you just showed two thousand people at a rally out wearing masks, this is an opportunity to pivot. This is an opportunity to make a difference not just for those people at the Rally for the whole country, what we're up against is we know from a public health perspective that masked work yet we have a political current that's. Pushing. Against that if the president would just simply say we're all gonNa wear masks were get behind this. You're right aerosols do spread. So let's work together on this. Not only what he stopped the pandemic in a major way at least reduce transmission he also act my opinion could improve his political fortune I. Don't understand why he's not doing that. So doctor out to the president said today that everybody knew the virus was airborne when he said that to Bob Woodward on February seven let me just again play when he said on February seventh. Goes it goes through air. Bob That's always tougher than the touch. You know the touch you don't have to touch things right but the air you breathe the air that's how it's. passed. And so that's a very tricky one. Okay. So he's he's making it very clear right that he knows it travels through the air twelve days after he said back in February seventh right privately border publicly he sang right that this is this is nothing it's going away Hilton? Indoor rally without masks. No social distancing in your state I remember talking to you at that time he helped five additional rallies and other states after he made those comments as well and of course, tonight's rally just just adds onto that list. This is a kind of a strange question to be asking about a president of the United States but given what he said and what he knew. Then what he did, right he also said he thought five percent of the people who got it. We're GONNA die. How much responsibility does he bear for holding these events? While I don't know who else can hold responsible. F-. A Rally for him people came for him like you said you and I discussed how much they were air socializing. There were yelling chanting we know this is how germs are spread. There's no debate about that There are some things that yet maybe you need to lick to get sick but E-COLI. Vire I we know whether you have kids. You have siblings, your family members, a lot of them are through coughing laughing sneezing and to hold a rally in that situation on top of which are saying, you know masks on that important. You're basically asking people to get sick again in some sense he was right. Everybody knew we knew it was gonNA, happen from there still hold a rally and say you know what people get sick or well I think that's really disgraceful. I'm just keeping up live pictures here of the Rally of people people in in. Freeland Michigan. Alabama of course, is a red state the lot of trump supporters last night. I spoke with a woman whose father died from covid and. In Arizona and she said, he was a supporter of the president's and that he believed him, she said he's only pre existing condition was trusting the president run. She said she would call them and say, don't do this. Don't go out and he would say. I hear, Ya but the president says it's fine. Governor says it's fine. So it's going to be fine. They have explicit conversation. So when you see cova patients every day, how much do some of them take the president's words and example it's heart I mean, do you hear them say that but if it's fine for him, it's fine for me. Yeah do somewhat I was cringing quite a bit when did interview happened with the rally person who said I don't care if I get it, I get it. I just walked through the ICU on rounds about two hours ago in Saul bed after bed after bed a people struggling to breathe, and if you don't know that if you don't see it, I, guess you might cavalierly say, Oh, it doesn't matter I. Don't care if I get it just walked the wards one time and you'll change your mind. The other thing is I was thinking is I heard the part about Aerosol Of the way that I got infected was riding in a car with my son back from New York, it turned out he was infected a asymmetric. We didn't know it and that was at a time in early March when we weren't one hundred percent. Sure sure about aerosols I wish I'd known that because we would have worn masks and we would have kept the window's cracked early down has some airflow we were thinking transmission by contact back then it wasn't right right. So thinking your own example when you look at the time when you were in the car versus that thing. That you are an explicit. Specific case. To let me give the last word to you what are you seeing now? You're things. Site that was for me Erin at the head I'm sorry. Yes. Go ahead. Dr. Things have gone a lot better fortunately. Now remember we were in such bad state that was basically nowhere to go but better and so when I'm working in the Er, we have fewer cases that we have fewer people with those symptoms is really reassuring But you know when you go out, you'll see people who sometimes aren't wearing masks or who aren't distancing and I don't want people thinking oh things are getting better. Let's just give up and go party again. That's what we did back in May and you saw. What happened, we became the worst hotspot in the country. So I really would encourage people to stay vigilant. The reason things got better because people distancing particular because people were wearing masks out. We really all need to play a part together to make America safe again. All right thank you both and I should say in the context of this conversation what you're warning about right now, the model, the White House uses the the task force uses projects more than doubling and death in this country by the end of December. which would mean you start to see death rate worse than we saw a at some of the peak. So when you think it's in the rear view mirror that that's what the model says. It's a model by the way that has been wrong before wrong because it underestimated the number of deaths out front next the CDC. With the new projection up to twenty five thousand more American. 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Breaking news the CDC projecting the US could see up to twenty five thousand more corona virus deaths as many as two hundred and seventeen thousand total deaths in the next three weeks and had president trump earlier touted his response to the virus. The United States has done really well. Very proud of everybody that worked on this. And I really do believe were rounding the corner. I'll front now Dr Sanjay Gupta our medical correspondent. So Sanjay Up to twenty five, thousand more deaths in the next three weeks the president says we're rounding the corner. Of course this adds to a litany of things he said right like it's going to go away and April when it gets warm then it's going to go away and you know now we're rounding the corner but the new projection and this is from the CDC shows they're not expecting. Really a slowdown in deaths here are they. Know that the really not in the CDC projections tend to be shorter term projections they're looking at all these various factors and. What they're essentially saying if we look at sort of the country as a whole right now in terms of cases and in terms of these, these sad debts sort of plateaued Aaron. We we said this I know a few times now, but I kept thinking the numbers were going to start to go down but we're sort of plateaued have dips here and there, but around forty thousand or so new infections per day on average and around a thousand people dying again on average you know if you do the CDC calculation actually means the the the death rate will actually go up. They'll be more than a thousand people dying day by the end of. The beginning of October. So this is this is exactly the wrong direction want to be going in, and as you well know Aaron opening schools people are becoming increasingly mobile. Lot of people look at this key people here say you remember that covert thing Kobe was bad. It's not in the past. Tense. We're still very much in the middle of this, right right and again I point out that. That model used by the task. Force which projects the doubling in-depth by December. I mean just to think about that they're they're putting four hundred thousand to the extent that models been wrong. It's been underestimating down thus far. So the president's on was asked about that interview with Bob Woodward right back in February and the beginning of February right where he said the virus could be transmitted through the air. And he dismissed the question. Today by saying quote everybody knew it was airborne. Everybody knew it was airborne on February seven? That is not actually true. No it's not true. It's very interesting because we look back now from our vantage point. So many months later, and we say, of course, this is spread. Through the Air I will say I think the president is conflicting two separate things. One is the idea of respiratory droplets you know which is spreading through the air, and then there's true airborne were the virus could become suspended on dust and last for hours and hours, which is still a bit of an open question, but it wasn't until February fourteenth a week. Later the CDC had tele briefing saying at that point, we believe the the the mode of transmission of this virus is through these respiratory droplets through the air at that point, they still said we. There wasn't enough data for the CDC to say this at the point. So clearly, it wasn't widely known people thought it's a respiratory virus maybe it's going to behave like flu coughing sneezing, but it wasn't clear at that point at all right and he's saying he knew even before they said believe and he knew you know continuing to hold those rally. So so this timeline is just it's consistent. I know that you had an in depth interview today Sanjay with the White House testings are Admiral Brad Jar and you talked about testing. Here's one thing he told you. What I want to do is create as many tests as possible. There will be a day where there will be at home tests that are widely available in the hundreds of millions that are cheap that we can test. Is frequently as we want. So. He's saying there will be a day I realize he's not saying now there are other places in the world where that is now but but he's optimistic there, and that seems very different from what he said many times recently about testing problems in this country here's examples over the past couple of weeks. It's great to talk about this Utopian kind of. IDEA, where everybody has attempt every day and we can do that I don't live in Utopian World I live in the real world not only do we not recommend this strategy of testing everyone on a frequent basis, but I think it could feel a false sense of security. We are doing the appropriate amount of testing. Now to reduce the spread flat the curve save lives. The second one is particularly jarring to me. Right. We don't recommend testing everyone on a frequent basis and and that that was a couple weeks ago. Now today I want to create as many tests possible. I want a day where everybody can just hundreds of millions get tested the that seems to be polar opposite. Really is I I was surprised by this I thought he was going to sort of dig into. What do you said before you know we're not gonNA test our way out of this sort of minimizing testing but you're absolutely right here and there there was a clear shift There was a shift in this idea that yes, we need widespread testing. I even brought up this idea that people would get tested in the morning at their home as they brush their teeth, you know you and I talked about that months ago that possibility. Checking your APP for the weather, you would get tested. If you're positive, you'd stay home. That's the sort of testing that we do see in parts of the world and we could have had by this point. So the fact that he's coming around and saying it's important is great but we could have already been there at this point here in this country as well. He also came around on this idea that. People who are ASE symptomatic who are not showing any symptoms now should also be tested because this is a crazy point of confusion the CDC came out week and a half ago saying a symptomatic people don't necessarily need to be tested. Even if you've been in the presence of someone diagnosed, you don't need to be tested necessarily. That's bad advice you do need to be tested. That's where a lot of the spread. is coming from at least the admiral conceded that as well. All right. It's interesting though what what would cause such a shift and again to the point that we're hearing Bob Ward raised. If things had been said differently for a long time here, where would we be as you point out? Those kinds of tests are available in other places in the world be transformative for schools in the economy. Thanks so much Sanjay. and Dr Gupta will be back at the top of the hour for CNN's global townhall coronavirus facts and fears NIH director Dr Francis. Collins will be on tonight that starts at eight o'clock eastern and next new details on the taped conversations. Trump had with Bob Woodward, more extensive than what we previously knew and the scary alternate reality that is playing out on the channel that trump says he spent all day yesterday watching. President trump today have a great day. It's a booger dressed as a bombshell. It's nothing. Breaking News we've got new details on President Trump's phone call with Bob Woodward You know obviously, you've heard him admitting that he played down the crow virus in early February misleading Americans on how deadly it was our own Jay Gal. Tonight is reporting. There were a total of nineteen phone calls between trump and nineteen that asked it lasted a total of nearly ten hours. Now, that's a lot of calls and it's a lot of time particularly in the context of what trump said today when he said, yeah, they just wasn't very many of them and they and they were short here's. I thought it would be interesting to talk to him for a period of calls. So we did that it was a series of taped interviews mostly by telephone quick ones net long once quick ones and I did it out of curiosity. Quick not long. Ten hours of time from the president of the United States in the worst pandemic and a century I would say that some serious time out front now, CNN political correspondent, Abbie Philip, CNN, political analyst David, Gregory, and Zoe Clark. She is the program director Michigan, public radio and the CO host of it's just politics, and so we want to start with you because these images tonight are pretty stunning in your state. The president is there holding a campaign rally In Michigan And these are live. Okay. So you you you can see there's no masters, no social distancing, and a lot of these people are inside inside the airport hangar, not outside the President One, your state and twenty sixteen by fewer than eleven thousand votes. So what impact you think revelations in the Woodward Book will have on voters in your state. Obviously, the trump supporters here are passionate. It's it's interesting to think about that. I think it really depends on which side you're on and I think both sides though it makes folks more enthusiastic either more enthusiastic to vote for trump. As you're seeing some five thousand people rally right now in Michigan or even more reason to be enthusiastic and to come out and vote against trump i. mean that's where we are in. America right now twenty, twenty, right it just feels like these incidents happen and I don't think there are these moderates people in the middle who are going the WHO am I gonNa vote for but just am I going to actually turn out on election day. So. David. I mean to always point okay. This is going to be about turn out There aren't a lot of people who who don't know who they're gonNA to vote for. There are some there's some people who are conflicted for various reasons but but there's not a lot. So when you you, you see the Bob Woodward revelations, do they help Joe Biden? At all. It looks like David is working on his Webcam. So Abby, let me put that question to you. Do you think that that helps in terms of sort of passionate engagement for Biden voters these these these revelations they obviously don't impact You know trump supporters. They're not gonNA change their minds because of what he said to Bob Woodward but does help Biden. I think he's absolutely right that this is becoming quickly turn out type of election, and one of the things that the Woodward Book does do is that it reminds voters about One of the things that had made them turn away from president trump or at least become much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden, which is the corona virus. The whole idea of the by of the trump campaign over the last several weeks was to try to take people's attention off of. This pandemic and now the Woodward Book has just refocused them on it. You know I at this point you know a lot of polls have worn out that A lot of Biden supporters are infatuating against trump and not necessarily for Biden and the trump campaign says that that's a problem. But I'm not sure that it is I mean whether they're voting four out biden or a against trump. As long as they show up I think the by campaign wants them to. Be there and moments like this. Really light a fire under a Biden's bathes these voters who he needs to turn out. He doesn't want to stay home in any way shape or form and lights a fire under them to show up in November. The problem is though we're fifty four days away from the election. We have a long way to go here I know it's like in a sense it doesn't seem like a long way but yeah, in other ways, it does All. Right. So you know the pictures we've been seeing out of Michigan Tonight David the president's speaking at back campaign rally is supporters are fired up This is you know this is look even seeing it after rally after rally I'm GonNa say just based on what I'm seeing here in the video fewer fewer masks. There's a few now but fewer here than even at other trump rallies recently, and that's that's saying something president trump just said this about the crowd areas. You know this is not the crowd. Of A. Person who comes in second place. So. He has these crowds David. He's got them and Joe Biden meantime is abiding by what the White House top for says and the CDC right and so no crowd social distancing masks you name it and okay I don't need to say it. It's a really different feel. Do those visuals matter or mean anything? Well we're GONNA find out I mean on the one hand what what's hard for Biden is to compete with the excitement that you see for trump in these rallies he's got excited supporters. There's no question about it and there's no question that there are excited critics of the president who WanNa vote for Biden. We're not seeing that as much. We didn't have that at conventions. And Biden wants to be able to demonstrate that because that has a kind of catalytic effect on other voters. But these images are also incredibly divisive right people who are watching this on our air are either saying, Hey, good for those people for not being afraid and getting out there to support trump or a lot of people are saying that's crazy. I wouldn't do that. That's not safe but if you're trump. Everything is on her his turf. He's being evaluated. It's a referendum on him. You know my big takeaway on the woodwork book is at it just reinforces. How do you think he did responding to the pandemic? If you think he did poorly, you're unlikely to re elect. To vote for his re-election that's so damning about the Woodward revelations after all the revelations we've had about trump. But in this case, Biden is struggling to compete to say, Hey, this is why you ought to be excited about me not just against the other guy and what are you saying so on the ground is more from from from people who are Biden supporters I use the word generally are they more supporting biden or just going because they don't like trump. I mean I think if this wanting that sort of what we're talking about nationally right than it is this idea in Michigan in twenty eighteen that we have the highest midterm election in twenty eighteen that was not a biden on the ballot trump wasn't even on the ballot. There were candidates who had nothing to do with trump but that voter turnout and the enthusiasm and what we saw in. Michigan. was a democratic wave and so so much of this is not necessarily a vote for vitamin I would go as far to San I've said it before that even in twenty six team here in Michigan a state that went Republican for the first time in six election presidential cycles a voted for trump that it was less that trump won Michigan and that Hillary Clinton really off the state and. David, you also have just I want to bring began gals reporting because she's been the one who's been breaking all of this. You know the president saying it's just a short little call sort little conversations nineteen for ten hours. Okay. When you look back at President who talked to Bob Woodward and others for books how would you I said that seems like an incredible amount of time for the president I'd states during the worst pandemic and a century but but you tell me as a reporter that. That a lot of time. I look at it a little bit differently when I covered the Bush White House, you know the feeling was then no president is usually happy with the outcome, but they make a calculation that you you need to cooperate with Bob Woodward rather than because he's GonNa get to people and he's going to get documents is going to have it all. So you might as well get your interpretation out there trump took it to this this x factor where and other presidents have have done. Interviews it were tape like President Bush but here he gave all of this time but the added element here with trump is how sorry my work from home issues you're life going up but the added I turn on a different light I can control the drudgery studio maybe I can't anyway the point for trump is he was impressed by Woodward just like wanting to be thought of as legitimate by the New York Times, he wanted to be thought of as legitimate by Bob Wilber. Thank you all very much. Yeah the studio needs a little bit today desired their lighting. I gotta get to the boss here Mario. Thanks off three Abbvie David. So he I appreciate your time. And next for years has been promising a plan to overhaul obamacare where is it? We'll be announcing that. Maybe. Less. We're signing a healthcare plan within two weeks. And as the damning recordings of trump surface, this is what you heard on Fox. President trump started off the day with a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize. This November will experience one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime in with headlines changing every hour you need a guy something to show you how all the stories fit together and why they matter. I'm David Chalian in I'm Emily Henderson and each week our new podcast we'll help you tune out the noise and tune in to what's politically sound. Politically, sound a new podcast from CNN, listening wherever you get your podcast. Tonight President Trump silent on one of the top issues of this election healthcare. He promised more than three years ago that he would have a healthcare plan to replace obamacare but it's nowhere nowhere. Phil Mattingly is out front. I WANNA have a great healthcare bill and plan and we will it will happen. It's been three years and president. Donald Trump still doesn't have a comprehensive health care reform plan. He didn't when he said this in June twenty nineteen and have the concept of the plan we'll be announcing. Maybe less when he promised this in July, signing a healthcare plan within two weeks a full and complete health care plan or most. Recently when he pledged to plan by the end of August I, do want to say that we're going to be introducing a tremendous healthcare plan sometime prior hopefully prior to the end of the month it's just about completed now. It's now September in the middle of a once in a century pandemic with the death toll surpassing one hundred and nine, hundred thousand. And on Capitol Hill Republicans say they've received zero indication any healthcare plan is coming. It's Bs and you know that one GOP senator told CNN of trump's healthcare plan this week trump's empty healthcare promise now spans years sparked by the GOP failure in twenty seventeen to repeal and replace obamacare and exacerbated by the trump administration's decision to sign onto illegal effort to strike the law down altogether even without a clear replacement in the waiting despite another trump promise if laws overturned, that's okay because. The new law is going to have it in but surrounded trump's bold empty promises are to stark realities. First Republican simply haven't coalesced around a single proposal up to this point including inside trump's own White House were sources. Say Advisors have battled over ideas for years and settled instead on unilateral actions and second the politics of healthcare moved sharply against Republicans Democrats in Astor ad after ad, hammered Republican efforts to repeal obamacare and with it its coverage of pre existing conditions in two thousand eighteen. Republicans lost the House and trump pledged to reverse the slide. Promising GOP would quote become the party of healthcare. Republican candidates have moved forcefully to rebut the attacks town will always protect everyone with bassist thinking listen framing the issue in the most personal of terms but it remains a top election issue. One Democrats pulled say continue to hold an advantage on that more than anything else according to aides is why trump promised an executive order that he said would protect preexisting conditions. Pre existing conditions will be taken care of one hundred percent by Republicans and the Republican Party. And their some question about that executive order whether it's legal what the rationale for it is, and we don't actually have those answers because not unlike the comprehensive health care plan hasn't been signed at least as far as we know, hasn't been released publicly. Fell thank you and I want to go now to the former Republican governor of Ohio John Casick. He has endorsed Joe Biden Governor Kasich always made a very big deal about healthcare and you know a president here has made repeated promises about healthcare plan right again and again, and again for more than three years and yet we don't have one doesn't even seem close to having one one Republican senator CNN today quote it's BS. Okay. So that may be a senator but what about Republican voters do they care? Well first of all, they wanted to repeal the healthcare for twenty million Americans and he didn't have a replacement. They still don't have a replacement and Aaron this takes me back to the days when I was in Congress where we had a fight a big fight over, we need to have ideas we need to get out there and some Republicans say, Oh, we can't put him out there because people will shoot them down and criticize him and I said, no, no no, we have to do that and a group, of us, force them to make decisions on things. They don't have a plan on healthcare. They don't have a plan on the environment. They don't really have much of a plan on race although there senator tried to put one together. They have no plan on debt they have no plan on the difference between the rich and poor. So you might say, well, why are they what? What's the story and Aaron Look it's here's the thing they think it's my team it's my party and we need to keep power because everything in Washington is about power now the senator says you know that this is Baloney with trump has say well, where's where's his plan? Me Worthy ideas out of that party. Now for Biden Biden better make it clear to me is not going to be pushed around and be some left-winger. He's gotTa make the case that he's strong and he's basically a centrist somebody's center. Center Right Center left. That's where people are. So it's going to be a big turnout election but Aaron haven't you become convinced now that there are people in either party and particularly now in the Republican Party they don't care about any of this. I. Want to stay in power in. If we let the other guy getting power, they're going to just do terrible things. So whatever we do is okay, it's ridiculous. Well, whatever we do or don't right I mean it's a it's a or whatever we don't. Well, WE DO ANYTHING WE MIGHT CRITICIZE SOLICITS Didn't even have a platform at the convention here and then he's crazy. So okay. So when you talk about about that the platform of the convention, it is not just healthcare. Right? As you know governor, the president struggled to articulate what what his, what his to do list is. Right. Very good. He just a few moments ago said if Biden wins, there's going to be mobs and rioters and arsonists and fire, and that's what happens but what would he do? What would the positives be trump if he wins while here's what he said. What are your top priority items for a second term? One of the things that will be really great. You know the word experiences still good. I. Always say talent is more important than experience. I've always said that but the word experience is a very important word. It's an important meeting. I never did this before I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington I think seventeen times all of a sudden Empresa, the United States you know the story of writing down Pennsylvania Avenue with first lady and I say this is Great And we had to cut that down. He went on to slam John Bolton but he did not give a specific about anything that he was going to do with a second term. Well, not only that but the people that are supporting him God, bless him. They don't seem to care because whatever he says that's good and because we can't be for the other guy, 'cause the other guy is terrible. So we got us be with our person in no matter what happens what they say what they do doesn't matter because we need to keep power. See Aaron thing to realize is Washington is now become all about power either whoever whoever's in power wants to keep power who's ever out of power wants to have power, and then what I ask is, what are you going to do when you have the power? What are you GonNa do on these issues that I went through on the environment and race in debt and the Gulf The gulf between the rich and the poor what are you gonNa do about those things but I, just need to have power and when you have power with just for the sake of having it, you're bankrupt and that's Kinda where I th, it's why I went to that convention and supported by buying just can't float home either he's GonNa be out there know he's gotta be out there saying things you're one of the people that. There aren't a lot of people like you, but there are some in this country who have a decision to make. So you made yours but but there's others like you who are out there are not sure. So this week they see the Atlantic talking about the president, the reporting about losers in suckers referring to troops that way Bob Woodward tapes, what was your reaction when you heard them? While I mean, it's just they're just appalling to me and but my reaction electorally is this is for the people who still undecided. Then there aren't a lot of them. You know I I've asked friends about what do you think the impact of this will be nothing and it? You know it's because Aaron, again I I don't know how how clearly I can communicate this. But all you want is to be in charge. That's all you want. And? That's all they care about and it's the president. It's the people below him when and that's been. Washington forever all about I'm in charge and I'm not GonNa let you because you're bad and that's a disaster for the country. That's why we're heading the wrong direction. Thanks Aaron. Governor. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you very much. I'll talk to you soon, and next we're GONNA take inside Fox News, alternate universe. That's next. Tonight trump's singing. The praises of Fox News. I watched Lou? Dobbs last night Sean Hannity last night. Tucker last night, Laura? I watched. Fox and friends in the morning you watch these shows. you don't have to go too far into the details they cover things that are it's really an amazing thing. Well, if you were watching Fox yesterday, there was generous praised for the president's Nobel Peace Prize nomination as for the Bob Woodward revelations. What revelations Brian stelter host of reliable sources and author of the new book hoax is out front. You tune into Fox News in the past day, we'll talk about the nonstop never-ending hysteria might have noticed a different reality president trump today had a great day a day that any president could only dream of a complete dismissal of Bob Woodward's bombshell in rage. It's a boettger dressed as a bombshell. It's nothing in this reality these comments by president trump I wanted to. I wanted to always play it down I still like playing it down. Yes. Because I don't want to create a panic confession about downplaying the corona virus. Fox's stars that it was not a big deal at all. It's so obviously nothing mostly the network just changed the subject what was Joe Biden doing for the last forty seven years. Distracted President, trump started off the day with a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize they downplayed the timing of this is interesting. You know we're less than two months out from an election and we're seeing his niece right a negative book about him. We're seeing Michael Cohen's book. We're seeing this book come out. It's time for them to sell their books. Don't they defended the comments? Let's make one thing perfectly clear president trump has never misled or distorted the truth about this deadly disease. No, he acted faster than anyone else Tucker Carlson even offered a scapegoat for the president's predicament. It was Lindsey Graham who helped convince Donald Trump to talk to Bob Woodward. On Hannity pivoted right back to Joe Biden this show has exclusively now uncovered video of Joe Biden downplaying the corona virus one month after the president's travel ban boxes, other stable media criticism questioning why would withheld these tapes from the public for six plus months now, Woodward is coming under scrutiny with mini asking why he waited so long to come forward trump picking up that argument one hour later on twitter saying if Woodward while they were so bad or dangerous why didn't he immediately report them in an effort to save lives? It. Again at that press conference, of course, this is another example of the Fox trump feedback loop trump getting his talking points from Fox but that was for Woodward. He says, he needed time to know if what trump actually said in February was true and once he confirmed it, he rushed to finish writing rage and get it up before Election Day here's the thing. Erin anybody who thinks they know the outcome thinks they know what trump voters are thinking about this you have to watch this through Fox News Google goggles to see the alternative reality. Yes absolutely. All Right Brian as always thank you. Thanks to Brian and thanks to all of you for joining. US CNN's global townhall corona virus facts and fears with Dr Sanjay Gupta, and Anderson starts now.

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Bob Woodward & Elsa Walsh

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Bob Woodward & Elsa Walsh

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It was to head down to the nation's capital for a visit with bob woodward and elsa walsh to journalists under one roof as an old news man myself i felt right at home elon. Bob began talking about how to save the world. The moment we walked in they live in a beautiful section of georgetown by bought this great colonial house just a few years before he and elsa matt but they've turned it into a lovely home by maggie their miniature poodle who followed us from room to room as we set up our gear. Just a cub reporter. They had laid out some delicious snacks. Which i'm afraid. We dove into somewhat noisily at times once we settled in also talked about growing up as one of six kids with four sisters and a brother. I was surprised to learn that. Just like marlowe. As a young girl. She never dreamt of getting married. My parents were irish immigrants. My mom was actually eight months pregnant with me when she came with my dad. My dad was a civil engineer. Any sort of all over the world and wanted to go to san francisco for a year. He thought it would be fun. My dad was on bipolar and Handsome intelligent but you know pretty up and down meaty so she had a rough time with your father. You know a lot of fun but he could be difficult and My mom she was just this sort of safe harbor of of both love and on and acceptance. And when i think about marriage and what was important that i learned from her was just that you're in it and you you stay in it. Is that what you did want to get married because you have to stick with it forever. Now you know you always like to think of yourself as being sort of an independent operator with all your own thoughts being very original but all the great icons at that time. Gloria steinem back girl. They weren't getting married now. That was being strong and that in spain Adventurous and so. I think i wanted to be part of that movement. So when i met. Bob i didn't want to marry you but i wanted to be with you. You met in the newsroom. We use smitten. Right away is interesting. Then bradley swiped silly runner in to meet the editor of the local at your you. There's just something. How old were you really out. You're not two thousand. Eighteen thirty seven hundred sixty six thirty seven and just hit over heels in love physically emotionally and the added benefit of the risk. Now you may not agree is you sometimes didn't like the secrecy now. That's true. But i understood why we secret. We married right now. But i wasn't working for him but he was in the chain of command and You know being in journalism. It was like a hotbed of gossip all the time. Yeah part of it is so much of what you do during your reporting processes secretive. And you can't talk about it with a lot of people and you can trust. You can trust right. I mean one of the things we were talking about is that we were just this weekend when i tell you about deep throat. When did i tell you who it was again. Was it like eighty two or eighty three. That's now i think it was eighty one. I think we've been going out and head of relationship for maybe year and we were up to dinner on street member that you list who was deep throat and i said well allow you told her out. How many people who told up till then curl bradley and it was. So why did you trust her. Be be around. You know when you see it. You must have been really impressed that he trusted you with. I was really. I was surprised to realize very ever talked about afterwards. Thought you might check back. I just love that. He instinctively trusted her with one of the biggest secret in american history. I got the sense that their connection to each other has a lot to do with their childhoods. Elsa had this incredibly stable family over father's was bipolar but my was not stable at all. My parents were divorced. When i was quite young about twelve or thirteen and her mother hospital hit a nervous breakdown and my father came to say that my mother kris of out of the hospital now. And she's married tom. Barnes who was my father's best friend. And i remember thinking to myself. You're in this alone. Well you can have a mother. The father and friends and you're in alum in was very kind of just you know in your view. Think your mom's loves you enough to leave the marriage and marry somebody else let alone my best friend and it was so painful but also kind of off okay. I'm this. I'm in this alone. And i gotta figure it out how hand After college i was in the navy. And i present signed up for naval. Rotc and i married a woman. Who is my high school sweetheart is they say she was very smart. Lovely person and when i was off on your marriage just fell apart and it was kind of second act of the. Oh okay and then. After nixon resigned i was in a romance and got married second time and we had tell league in that didn't last and i didn't last because she essentially we had tell and left with tally and that was kind of the third act of okay. You're in this lung so when we started going now and when my mother died i wanted to get married but i was embarrassed to propose to you because i felt i had all of these. Two earlier failed marriages and you were. You know wonderful and we were married in nineteen eighty nine. I think i was surprised when bob asked me to marry him. Because it was unexpected. And i remember we've been together long nine years. And it was unexpected fabulous unexpected. We were out at our house in maryland and we were sitting out on this little small sun room that we have and we were talking about his mom on who died and he said Nothing would make their happier than if you would marry me. And instead of shocked. I was so excited so that ever since on i really i love being married. I mean i love being married to bob but i love the idea of saying to each other to other people that were in it together. That realization is liberating and quite empowering. Because until that moment it was kind of the people deserve you the unexpected the surprise after all those people leave a. Did you have a feeling that this is one who would leave church because she said so an acted so and what she did it and we were talking somewhat recently. And i mentioned something about you. Don't know when people are going to fail you or you're going to fail yourself. And i thought of lord gen when he jumps and remember what i said. I don't jump who that's great. Elsa not only didn't leave. She dove into their relationship headfirst and over the years writer herself. She has become an invaluable. Contributor to bob's work. she would look at sections. Look at chapters. Look at the book made her enterprise and said this is important. You should do this. did you do. Every note she gave you or did you know of course kooky we're good but we never fought about which instill interesting over the period of a year lease. Never really fun about work. I think you and i very early on in our relationship decided that when we were looking at each other's work we would always be honest. We wouldn't be cruel him something to someone you work done. You think you weren't always happy. There was one point yet. We're doing this book and you brought me down some new chapter. I worked on it and you pay ninety one. I thought it was but she was young. As a realize the would not have been done is completely erg is logically without her. That's great also and so way. It's the power of empathy of listening and the power of question when i come back tremendous interview. It's like a mini interior tier. Elsa does get to me. And i sometimes bristle but i've come to realize it helps me understand what i'm working on and that happens between the two of us most days were together. I realized else's of therapists doesn't have a license to practice my primary patients. I think one of the things that we've always sort of felt that were a team professionally and personally and that we've always been really involved in each other's were with my were There's probably been no person who comes anywhere close to being sort of my adviser the encourage the person who says you know. Take a leap. You know but when you talk about doing defined as live your book about the three women. I just listened at that point had been married three or for years. We had been together for twelve years in you started working on the book is kind of how it was trying to figure out my own life. I was trying to figure out what was the next stage for me. 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You couldn't decide whether you were furious or you were relieved and you're almost crying because you said you were planning my funeral and were deciding whether you should bring the dogs to the funeral. And i looked at him. I was like crazy. What's going on here and never call never told me i simple but you've been busy. You've been busy every weekend for the last year. What do you think i've been doing been like. I've been keeping myself busy and suddenly he was free. He didn't have that reporting. And i had gotten into my own little world my own little routine of doing things and not checking in. I realize actually that you needed me. More than i thought when he was available. Well i know. I know that guy bid of you wear a so upset seven hours away now johns you do it to show him so no no no i was just my sister no i did not no. I did not mean every every weekend. You're talking on the to something. I didn't i didn't i didn't feel i needed to check in because he was already check in somewhere else or check out some raw right and so i thought i think that there are like moments like that in which you say oh you need a readjustment here. Need more attention. How do you bring up a hard topic. How do how do you handle a hard topic. You usually say i wanna talk to you about something and then we sit down in say. Let's off because you are kind of talking about it for a little bit. But i also think sometimes people make a mistake. And i've been there. I mean i have done this. I'm not adverse to that at all. I think you could make things worse sometimes by trying to just pull it apart and you know. Maybe that's just a defense mechanism or something. But i think i went. I did a fair amount of cognitive behavioral therapy at one point in my life Doing that is yes. I think very early on in our marriage. And you and i talked about this a that. We would try to always assume good intentions and that is being a jerk. It's not that they're being a jerk to you said just being a jerk. It's not directed. See this is the male. Sa- brings up. Good intentions are the are there bad intentions and is best. I can recall. I don't think she's ever done anything with bad intention toward me. Or i toward her and she will let things go if special except i talk to my therapist about it. You didn't never have marriage counseling. What did you call this man behavioral therapist tell what they do. It deals a lot with anxiety I'm just gonna fail. I know i'm gonna fail. And so what. The cognitive behavioral therapists does is teaches you how to identify that distorted thinking and he'll say but people are states of high anxiety and distorted thinking they usually are in their catastrophic thinking modes. They most people go to find which is like this is just like a horrible and reality when you really look at something it usually is about a one or two and so it trains you to see. It's not saying it's not a problem or you shouldn't be afraid it's like it's like you don't have to be as afraid. So let's say you're in your bedroom and you hear a huge crash. It's the middle of the night You might think. Oh my god. Someone had broken into my house. They're gonna kill me. The cognitive behavioral therapists would say well how likely is much more likely that actually is a branch that fell found down outside. So it's the one or two so trains you to see the one or two rather than the five. That's great the other day. Maybe a month ago was bugging me and we have one of our conversation is twenty sixteen The trump campaign. I felt for good reason. I didn't work hard enough to get his tax returns and lead talked about it at the time console and i was really feeling bad and elsa said well you know what you did was reasonable and You're not caring the world on your back. Oh boy doesn't version of your king. And i said well i really feel kind of lead myself comma again so if by talking about it. It was a five for me because i was journey down. And she's she said well that's not your job and you couldn't end there you know. The were reason they're always reasons for not doing something. And the reason there is a bullet. I don't think they've got me down. Do one or two hundred major with no. But that's great. Bob oftentimes says what. What can i do to make you happy. And i'll say that's not your job. That's my job. Assume good intentions. Keep your promise. Don't leave a house angry and you are you into this thing of. Don't go to bed angry. i'm trying to be but that's not always as easy. Let me pull them and said i have no desire to sit up all night. Somebody admits the wrong. So i just mean we we actually don't we hope we do not argue very often which is good for me. I like it that way. Maybe not as good for you. Own like arguing. But i think sometimes having discussions worth it and You know chicago yet matter not matter. Sometimes it's just not worth it and will you have a spouse who's you know we'll let things go even maybe things she should let go. There are certain expectations we have of each other. The we actually fulfill and in no way have we made the other feel dirt in this. And i think that there is a kind of code word that we have in that is i love you. Is that something you say. But things are hard and each morning when you generally get up before me. You're down here coffee. Amici come down mckesson say i love you nice. I love you more going to bed at night. I love you. I love you and so it's kind of. There's no volcano up so much easier nino under the under the surface and particularly when we get older appointed in our lives where we have obligations beyond just our family ourselves and i always talk about the fourth act of your life for stat of getting educated than second active. This deciding i'm you live and what your career is going to be in the third act the middle years and then rescinded there actually is a fourth something then you to lifting a fourth act and you want to be is wise in focused and consequence ori ended is. You were the first three. I really think that the lives are enriched by discussion in a mail asus and i think it's good you picking in. I think we learned something. Tim appreciate what we have you. That's right. I could not understand the value of elsa if i was not able to i think be analytical about the past. You know i'm in this lung. And if i couldn't understand bad i would understand to give bob woodward and elsa walls the gratitude they have for one another. It just goes to show you you can do. The dog eat dog world of journalism. And still make home your own little sanctuary until next time. I'm phil donahue and marlo thomas. Double date is production of pushkin industries. They show was created by us and produced by sarah lilly. Michael bahari is associate producer. Musical adaptations of it had to be. You buy sell wagons symphony marlow and i are executive producers along with me alot bell and lethal mola from pushkin special thanks to jacob weisberg malcolm glad will hither fain josh. Nour's carly mcclary. Eric sandler emily rusnak. Jason gambrill paul. Williams and bruce kluger. If you like our show please remember to share rate and review. Thanks for listening. 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Monday, September 14, 2020

Up First

14:22 min | 8 months ago

Monday, September 14, 2020

"Wildfires have killed at least thirty people on the west coast in some cities it's not safe to go outside right now our region is experiencing the worst air quality in the world could there be some relief. If rain comes later this week I'm Rachel Martin with David, green, and this is up I from NPR news. If president trump intentionally downplayed the risk of a pandemic and journalist Bob Woodward new it should he have let Americans know sooner we spoke to the journalist about his new book about the President for the moment democracy is held that leadership his fail. So many voters agree with that we'll hear from some of them in Pennsylvania a critical swing state Democrat Joe Biden holds a narrow lead impulse stay with us we have the news you need to start your day. Support for this podcast and the following message come from whoop. You know you didn't get enough sleep last night but do you know it affects your body whoop that twenty four, seven fitness tracker can help with that. Get fifteen percent off whoop when you visit whoop dot com and use code up first at checkout. Support also comes from NPR sponsor, Twi-, Leo, a customer engagement platform trusted by millions of developers enabling you to reinvent. Connect with your customers whatever your use case. TWI-. Leo has your back. It's time to build visit Twi- Leo Dot Com. Rachel here in Los Angeles, the air was just nasty all weekend from some wildfires that are not very far from here. But it is so much worse as you go up the coast, right? We know millions of acres have burned in California, but also Oregon and Washington state and these fires have killed at least thirty people as of now, hundreds of thousands of people have been forced to evacuate fires have have just consumed entire communities. The OREGONIAN newspaper spoke to Mayor Tim, Kirsch of City Oregon as he was looking at all the destruction pretty sad we lost a couple of. Really. Nice. Historic structures in town a number of residences. It's hard to even think about. Well, let's stay in Oregon Oregon public broadcasting's Rebecca LS is with us hi-tech Rebecca mining. So I know you're in Portland where you are really I mean even in the city feeling the effect of all this I mean, can you just talk us through the latest here? Yeah I mean the fires in Oregon have reached from the southern border to the coast all the way up to the. Suburbs of Portland and they're at least ten big fires spread out across the state that we're tracking right now and tens of thousands of people have been evacuated from their home at this point and firefighters are getting a handle on some of these fires after week. But two of the biggest fires that are threatening cities near Portland continue to rage and that's the Beechy creek fire and the riverside fire both south of Portland News. About a mile apart right now, and there's a risk combine into one fire in the coming days. So as I mentioned a Rachel here in La, it's been it's been hard to breathe a weekend but I, know it's it's a lot worse up there I mean how bad is the air quality in Portland? So this weekend Portland air quality was so bad. It was off the charts of the EPA's air quality index and it's It's really thick acrid smoke that has descended on the region. It was a big topic of discussion at a press conference held yesterday on the nearby fires. Here's Clackamas County's health officer Sarah present right now, our region is experiencing the worst air quality in the world and it's absolutely having an impact on people's health. We know air quality can worsen asthma or COPD lead to increased heart attacks, irregular heart rhythms, and even death and. Portland is not alone here. The West Coast has been blanketed in these clouds of smoke and ash and number of towns and cities in Oregon this weekend that were breathing more toxic than Portland people are being told to stay in their homes don't drive because of visibility is so poor and it's gotten so bad that public health officials have told people not to vacuum inside their own homes and that's because the smoke particles worked their way into apartments and houses and using vacuum cleaner kicks up these particles and can worsen indoor air quality well. We mentioned at least thirty people killed in these fires but I, mean, you're talking about fires and poor air quality and all the other effects of this. Asked me do do. We really have a sense for say how many people have lost their lives and in Oregon like directly or indirectly because of all this? Yeah I mean it's a really good question official sounded alarm bells last week saying state was bracing for a mass fatality incident as they called it and right now they're dozens. Of people still missing officials have confirmed at least nine deaths so far, and that's from three different fires and they're warning the death toll is likely going arises these fires continue and as you mentioned, this does not include these people who may die as a result of the extremely poor air quality. I mean people have been stuck in the smoke for days. Now they can't escape it. You go to bed breathing this really thick and smoky air and you wake up breathing the same air. Hopefully, there'll be some kind of relief coming soon if if the weather changes, Rebecca LS of Oregon public broadcasting forests in Portland this morning, Rebecca thank you. Thank you. So what exactly did president trump know about the corona virus when he was downplaying it to the American people Journalists Bob Woodward reveals a lot in a new book that's getting a ton of attention even before its official release date tomorrow. One big question is if Woodward knew early on that trump was misleading Americans should woodward have shared that regardless of his publication date. All right. Well, the new book is called Rage and Woodward sat down last night with our colleague. All Things considered host Mary Louise Kelley who is here I'm here Lewis Good Morning David Mourning, Rachel let's start here with this controversy that's blown up over whether Bob Woodward should have shared some of this reporting sooner not just followed the. Publication schedule for his book I mean, how did he answer that Sergey Yeah we dove right in on this. I want to let you listen to exactly how that part of our exchange started. So I'm going to play you a long chunk. This is starting with my very first question to Bob Woodward a lot of people. Believe that you sat on information that could have saved lives. So I WANNA, start with your interview with the President on February? Seventh. He told you he understood the virus was deadly that it was airborne that it was dangerous February seventh and you had it on tape. Did you have a duty to get that information out? I knew at the time and believed he was talking about the virus in China because he had talked to Chinese president she the night before and as you know at that point in February, the virus awareness in the United State you describe in the book though that you were surprised at what he was saying yes, because it was Oh, did he get it from president she and so I spent a good deal of time trying to get information and in fact, the transcript of the trump she call the night before because I thought that would be a clue to what went on. The quiet. You need other sources to know that what the president said to you on. February seven th directly contradicted what he was saying in public in February but he was talking about China is far as I understood it because there's no virus issue guesses here. Yes but you is you know you've got Tony. Thou- she out there at the end of February saying everyone can do it everything and and not worry. So is far as I'm concerned it's China problem and by March it's clearly an American problem and so I'm asking the question what did the president know? When did they know it in? How did he know it? So David you hear Bob Woodward there forcefully defending has reporting. He told me and I'll quote if at any point I had thought there's something to tell the American people that they don't know I would do it. A lot there but I know Woodward ends the Book Mary Louise With with his judgment that trump is the wrong man for the job. How did he justify that conclusion? Yeah. Woodward believes that his reporting show is trump failed to keep the country safe people can debate that it is of course, interesting because this is Bob Woodward of of Watergate fame of Nixon, and so I asked how the moment compares to then. How worried he is about the stability of our country and he said despite everything going on that he and I could still sit and have this conversation that he can make the kind of judgments about our president that journalists and a lot of places can't make him as evidence that leadership has failed but democracy has held and I asked him this question. Suppose you lose what you GONNA do in. The election and he said I don't want to comment on there but. We still we can sit. And have this conversation on I can make the kind of judgments of our leader. That Journalists in many countries in the world cannot make. So I say in the book that. For the moment democracy is held but leadership his fail. No Mary Louise, a much more from your interview on all things considered tonight. Thanks for thanks for bringing us this. We appreciate it. You're welcome. Heard. Bob Woodward's thinks that president trump is the wrong man for the job. So what voters think president trump was talking to a crowd of them last night in Henderson Nevada people packed in indoor warehouse, which was a violation of state regulations most were not wearing masks. We had five sites, all outside sites like last night tremendous room. And a great gentleman who owns US building said, you know what what they're doing is really unfair. You can use my building don I wanNA thank. Trump and Joe Biden are going after voters in swing states like Pennsylvania where the race is very close trump narrowly won there for years ago. He got a big boost from an unexpected win in Erie County. So how are voters they're thinking about Donald trump this go round well, let's turn to another done not the dawn that president trump was talking about there. It's NPR national political correspondent. Don GONYEA. Who has been an Erie County Pennsylvania talking to voters hi Don Hey. Good Morning. So remind us a little bit about Eerie County in in the northeast part of its day. Why did you decide to go there? There are a couple of hundred counties across the country that voted for Obama when he was on the ballot and then went for trump. But a few had the kind of dramatic swing that we saw in Erie County Obama wanted await by twenty percentage points he won by nearly as large a margin in twelve. Then comes 2016 trump carries it by less than two thousand votes. It's one of those places where his his message on trade and working class voters really resonated. How people are feeling? Well, I know you covered a lot of ground listening to people. I mean, what? What, what are you hearing in terms of what people are thinking this time around? Let's start with trump voters. They give the president full credit for the strong economy, pre covid and no blame for the current economic slump forty, four year old korry Curtis owns a farm. I spoke to her at the county GOP headquarters she was loading trump signs into the back of our car. I asked her about those revelations in Bob Woodward's new book and the tapes of trump himself saying he played down the pandemic early on to avoid panic. Why wouldn't you react that way? I mean you don't want the country in a panic it was scary when it started that's never happened in our lifetime so I could understand that you would. Set back a little in what you say so that we didn't go into a frenzy. Let's go to another voter registered independent Marianne Frontino. She is a Biden voter she response to the book as well. Well, panic is his middle name. I mean he's entire campaign is trying to dig up panicked so people will vote for him. That's just a small taste there David, but it kind of gives you a sense of the divide but what is your sense takeaway after spending time in in Eerie? You know I talked to the Union President There's a big locomotive plant that has lost half of its unionized workforce over the past decade and a lot of those voters went for trump last time the union president said, his membership is divided. He said you can feel that all across the county and he said there's a tension in the air people are just on edge about the election it's like charged. I don't know how to explain it, but it is. It's like everybody's just like a cat waiting to pounce. All right. We'll be listening closely to bring us all of these voices were getting closer and closer to election day NPR national political correspondent. Don GONYEA. Don. Thanks my pleasure. I four today Monday September fourteenth, I'm David. Greene. Martin we will be here tomorrow come back and join us. You can subscribe to US wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also rate us and we're view us on apple podcast and we of course, appreciate your listening up I and you can find more indepth coverage of the stories we talked about today in a whole lot more on NPR's morning edition. That is the radio show that Rachel I host along with Noel. King and Steve Inskeep you can find morning edition and find your NPR station. By going to stations DOT NPR DOT org. I Lisa Hagen I'm Chris Axel were the hosts of no compromise NPR's new podcast exploring one families mission to reconstruct America using too powerful tools, guns, and facebook new episodes drop every Tuesday join us for the no compromise podcast from NPR.

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Trump told Bob Woodward in Feb. that COVID-19 was deadly stuff

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

47:52 min | 8 months ago

Trump told Bob Woodward in Feb. that COVID-19 was deadly stuff

"I. Wonder. He's latest miniseries Bunga Bunga hosted by comedian. Whitney. Cummings tells the unbelievable true story of how billionaire playboy turned politician. Silvio. Berlusconi hypnotized of Italy for almost two decades in the nineteen ninety Silvio had had enough of the government's rules and regulations. So he decided to run for prime minister. You can't beat the law change the law, and thus his legacy would become an explosive tale of what happens when private business interests and political interests compete head to head for his entire political career Silvio spewed lies and propaganda to what was true and what was opinion was a matter of opinion. And while everyone was distracted, he used his mafia ties to blackmail government officials and rewrote the laws to protect and enrich himself until the words brought his entire empire crashing down. Bunga Bunga subscribe to Bunga Bunga on Apple podcasts or you can listen early and ad free by joining wonder plus the wondering APP. Now it's time for the last word Lawrence. Donald getting like Rachel, and do you find yourself capable of ranking the enormity of the different revelations in the Bob Woodward Book. The thing that is I think that pushes the covid stuff to the top. Is the unexpected fact that the president did understand the public health risk of Covid it has been easy. I. Thank for those of us who've been critical of the president's response to assume that he didn't get it. To learn and to hear him explain in his own words that he did get it and that he deliberately lied to the American? People. while. Understanding just how big ally he was telling that does I mean very I it's hard to shock me in the trump era but I'm legitimately shocked by that learning about what Dan Coats thought about the president. Is Pretty. Shocking to but the covert stuff and hearing him do it in his own words I mean it's it's worse than the Nixon Oval, office names in terms of what the president is admitting because it's tens of thousands of American lives. On his hands we're going to approach it from many angles. Tonight, a chairman Adam Schiff is going to be with us a former. CIA Director John Brennan Susan. Rice we're going to concentrate on some of these national security revelations in here including the Secretary of defense worried about the possibility of nuclear war. And of course, that revelation that you talked about that. There apparently is a new nuclear weapons system that no one knows about that has been tipped by the president to Bob Woodward I mean. Yeah. That that's in the category of speechless. But I've got some people who can speak about it luckily because it leaves me speechless go lawrence got thank you Rachel Lawrence. Go thank you. Thanks. Bob Woodward has done it again, and once again, we can marvel at how he did it. He's written another book that takes us inside conversations in the White House that only he could document and Bob Woodward did it two years after Donald Trump condemned Bob Woodward's first book about the trump White House entitled fear here's what Donald Trump tweeden about that book. The Woodward Book is a scam Bob Woodward is a liar. In a note about sources in that book Bob. Woodward wrote President Trump declined to be interviewed for this book. That was then. For Bob Woodward's new book entitled Rage Donald Trump submitted to eighteen tate interviews with Bob Woodward. The man who two years earlier Donald Trump had called a liar but Bob Woodward never gives up on a possible source. Especially, if that source is the president of the United States and Bob Woodward is our greatest expert at coaxing information out of people who work in the White House including presents. Bob Woodward gets inside a White House he doesn't know what he's GonNa find but he always brings enough patients and enough rope for his interview subjects to hang themselves or save themselves in the eyes of the reader. Many readers will feel rage and Bob Woodward's title the rage in that title when they read this book and see that lives thousands of lives could have been saved if Donald Trump had publicly told the truth about the virus, one of those people who already fields that Donald trump is the cause of her grief for the loss of her father will join us at the end of this hour. Christner. Keyser told the audience at the Democratic convention that before her father died from coronavirus viruses only pre existing condition. WAS BELIEVING DONALD TRUMP Tonight she conceived for the first time in Bob Woodward's reporting how deliberate Donald Trump's deception of her father was a deception that led to her father's death. The Story Woodward tells enrages a political story, a governing story and a human story, a human story of life and death and the age of Donald. Trump. Including the one, hundred, ninety, one, thousand deaths. This country has already suffered from the coronavirus. The book's conclusion is quote trump is the wrong man for the job. No reporter or author in history has had a more powerful effect on the American presidency than Bob. Woodward. Beginning with his reporting with Carl Bernstein on the myriad of scandals and crimes in the Nixon White House, which ultimately led to that day in the summer of nineteen seventy four when Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein watched the president of the United. States resign the presidency after congressional committees and a Special Prosecutor fully investigated the leads that were first developed in the reporting. By Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward reporting that changed the course of history. Bob Woodward's new book about the trump presidency could change the course of history. With the first excerpts of that book appearing in The Washington Post today fifty, five days before Election Day in an interview with the Associated Press Today Bob Woodward said but it was important to get this story out before the election and so with fifty five days until Election Day America is learning tonight that Donald Trump has admitted to playing down the seriousness of the coronavirus pandemic and that he has made that admission on tape which Bob Woodward released to The Washington Post today the Woodward Tapes Have Donald Trump on February seventh after a phone call with China's president describing how deadly the coronavirus was before any of us knew how bad it could be. and. So what was president she saying yesterday we were talking mostly about the The virus and I think he's going to have it in good shape but you know it's a very tricky situation. It's D. it goes it goes through air bob that's always tougher than the touch. You know the touch you don't have to touch things right but the air you breathe the air that's how it's. passed. and. So that's a very tricky one that's very delicate. One It's also more deadly than your. You Know Your even your strenuous flus. You know people don't realize we lose twenty, five, thousand, thirty, thousand people a year here who who would ever think that right I know. And then I. Had the same thing for more deadly. This is five per you know this is five percent versus one percent less than one percent you know. So this is deadly stuff. Deadly stuff. Donald Trump has still to this day never said anything like that. Publicly on February seventh there were three hundred and thirty million Americans who needed to hear that Donald Trump told exactly one of them. Bob Woodward. there. Are People who are dead tonight who might be alive if they heard Donald trump say that on February seventh or on March seventh or on April seventh or on May seventh. Or on August seventh people are still dying because Donald trump is still refusing to say that publicly and he's downplaying the dangers of the coronavirus nineteen days after Donald Trump told Bob Woodward. This is deadly stuff. This is what he told. The American people about what the coronavirus would do to this country. You have fifteen people and fifteen within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That's a pretty good job we've done. Here's donald trump on march nineteenth telling Bob Woodward something he has never said in public that the corona virus is dangerous to young people and admitting that he simply does not tell the truth about cove nineteen to the American people. Now. It's starting out. It's not just all people about which is today and yesterday. Some startling facts came out not just old old. Yeah. Exactly. Plenty of young people so Going on. Give me. A moment of talking to somebody going through this with Ouchi or somebody who kind of. It caused a pivot in your mind because it's clear just from what's in on the public record that you went through a pivot on this too Oh, my God, the gravity is almost. INEXPLICABLE UNEXPLAINABLE Bob. Really to be honest with you. I want you I wanted to I wanted to always play it down I still like playing down yes. Because I don't want to create a panic. I still like playing down, he said that on March nineteenth and he still likes playing it down today as the country approaches two, hundred, thousand deaths from the coronavirus. If you are one of the millions of Americans who believes that Donald Trump is unfit to serve as president of the United States you are now supported in that belief Donald, trump's second secretary of Defense General James Mattis who is quoted by Bob Woodward saying that Donald Trump is quote dangerous. He's unfit. CNN.com quotes a passage Bob Woodward's book saying General Mattis resigned as Secretary of defense. When I was basically directed to do something that I thought went beyond stupid to felony stupid. The Washington Post quotes Bob Woodward's presentation of a conversation between Secretary of Defense Mattis, and the Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats with Mattis, telling coats president has no moral compass to which the director of national intelligence replied true to him. Ally is not a lie. It's just what he thinks. He doesn't know the difference between the Truth and a lie. Another passage in the book refers to the Director of national. Intelligence. Having deep suspicions about the presence relationship with Vladimir Putin coats saw how extraordinary it was for the president's top intelligence official harbor such deep suspicions about the president's relationship Putin but he could not shake them. Leading off our discussions night is John Brennan the former director of the CIA. He is a senior national security and intelligence analyst for MSNBC AND NBC News. John. Brennan I just want to give you an open shot here at everything you've taken in today from these Woodward Revelations and how you rank their importance. Well I think we're still going to find out a lot more when additional excerpts come out and it's not as though the American people needed anymore evidence. So Donald Trump's incompetence is dishonesty his callousness and his narcissism, but he decided to provide Bob Woodward chapter and verse, and so there is just so much in this book so far we've heard that really is quite disturbing in terms of his talking about nuclear weapons. Is revelling in an account that, Kim. Jong the leader not retold about Kim Jong killing his own uncle the fact that he held from the American people information about covert. There's a big distinction between not causing panic and providing appropriate warning to the American people about the serious health issue that Koga presents and so I I again, we've seen on a daily basis. Donald Trump's. Incompetence. Over the last nearly four years, he is a deeply disturbed broken individual who only looks at life through a prism of what's going to advantage donald trump and I think every single American especially, those individuals whose families friends have been ravaged by covert should be absolutely outraged by what Bob Woodward has revealed about Donald Trump's knowledge and his intentional deceit with the American people. There's a passage about a nuclear weapons system that's quoted saying Donald Trump saying I have built a nuclear weapons system that nobody's ever had in this country before we have stuff that you haven't even seen or heard about we have stuff that Putin and g have never heard about before there's nobody of what we have is incredible. If such a system exists, it would have been in development certainly during your time in government What can you tell us about that? What is your reaction to hearing the president say that? I'm not going to talk about anything related to something that might be classified and the deals with this country's defense systems but I shudder to think what? Donald. Trump has said to other individuals not just reporters what has he said to foreign leaders. What does he say to let him Putin when they're alone together, I was always concerned from the first day of the administration about what he might share either willingly or inadvertently with foreign leaders that could in fact, reveal the sensitive and very important capabilities that this country has whether it be on the intelligence front, the military and security front and. So again, I think the point is that Donald? Trump was never fit for this office. He'd never should have been in the White House and he is somebody who holds our futures and the futures of our children in his hands, and so I think the next fifty six days or so it is incumbent upon all of us to be able to speak to the dangers that Donald trump poses as he continues in this office and as he seeks reelection because the damage that he has done so far I think we'll be will pale in comparison to what he could do over a second term. There's a scene in the book of Secretary, Mattis going to Washington's national cathedral and praying when he was worried that at any moment there could be donald trump could order a nuclear attack on north. Korea he's the book says that he slept in his clothes during that period of time this is an unthinkable scenario. Under any and your own experience in government What's your reaction to that? Well I think genetics which trying to. CONTAIN DONALD TRUMP's impulses on the military front and I'm sure that it was jerry very disconcerting to someone like Gimenez who has been in war who has led our military troops around the globe and to see somebody like Donald Trump who has the nuclear codes as his fingertips and so you know it's really just a shame and I'm sure that women and men in the US military today are just wondering who is it? That is supposed to be the commander in chief what is he going to do that? It's going to put this country at risk So I think we're going to be finding out more things in this book that just going to make us shake our heads and when I think about the people in the cabinet and in the those congressional Republicans who continue to ignore an apologize and to make excuses donald trump that is unconscionable. They enable him and it is on their watch but this all is happening. John. Brennan, thank you for joining US tonight and I have to say that everything we know about the Woodward. Book. So far confirms everything that you have been telling the American people about this present. So thank you once again for joining us. Tonight we appreciate. Can I? And Russian now is Susan Rice the former US ambassador to the United Nations in the former national security adviser in the Obama. Administration. And I want to begin with seen in the Woodward Book where we have the national security adviser telling the president. The Corona virus is going to be the biggest national security challenge that he faces as President of the United States and that's in January exactly when he should have been told that. And then we see the revelations in the February seventh tape with Bob, Woodward and more. So it's very clear that the president was told what was coming very early. Which is extraordinary Lawrence because the storyline that the White House has tried to tell up until now is that the president really wasn't grieved. You didn't have the information that he needed. Wasn't a big deal he wasn't expecting it to become anything of particular seriousness on one level on reassured to know that the National Security Advisor actually understood the gravity of global pandemic. On. The other hand quite concerned to learn that the president president knowing that wittingly did nothing to prepare. Worse, he lied to the American people about it severity. It really what we learned today Lawrence is that by his own admission. By Lime to the American people, we now know the Donald Trump surely has the blood of tens of thousands of Americans on his hands. The the the scenes in the book where the President is downplaying it. He seems to think as he's explaining it to Bob Woodward that he is absolutely right. To be downplaying, that's what the president should. The president should do is tell the American people the truth even the hard truths that they need to know if it is necessary to keep us safe. You know the President says, he didn't want to create a parent today. He said he didn't want to create a frenzy. Right. Mind should believe. Coming from. Donald Trump, the man who was more than happy to sand into panic. What he calls suburban housewives with images of somebody looking like ploy vulgar light into their neighborhoods. He was more than happy before the two thousand eighteen midterm elections to try to use the spectrum caravans of immigrants, crossing our borders in droves to scare the American people. So he has no problem with panicking people. When he thinks it serves political edges. Here was a case where he chose not to give the information accident all needed to have where our health for national security for our economy for our kids to go to school because he wanted to preserve his political posture. He was. A kid he was probably close to college age I, guess. When President Kennedy. Went through the Cuban missile crisis and the country knew. That this country was under a nuclear threat that nuclear missiles were at this country from just ninety miles away in Cuba and there was nothing that the White House did. To try to deceive the American people about the gravity of that crisis. Of course not I mean I can't think of time in our history Lawrence where we faced a grave and mortal threat from some kind of adversary in this case, a virus or you know the Germans in World War Two where the Japanese when they bombed Pearl Harbor and we have a president would views is to share the severity of the challenge, the American people and then prepared. To deal with that challenge in summon us to come together in common purpose to defeat this president has lied he has failed to prepare and he sought to divide us and make us far less capable of countering this threat collectively. So on every level is failures have been colosseum amount today we learn that he knew what he was doing he was will align to the American people. Putting us all brave risk costing tens of thousands of lives only. So he could keep the stock market up in preservers trade deal with China and and keep his political prospects on on more solid ground, which of course was Ali. Investor seeing is thank you very much for leading our discussion. Tonight. We really appreciate. It'd be like you wanted us. And when we come back, Bob Woodward's Book Shows Donald. Trump's first director of national intelligence being very worried about trump's relationship with Vladimir Putin, and now today there's a new whistleblower complaint from inside the trump administration about donald trump and Russia. The chair of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff joins US next. Hey everyone it's Chris. As you know these days I find it helpful to take step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take a broader look at the issues. I haven't had time to cover my TV. 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Every Tuesday just search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Woodward's new book rage reports that Donald Trump's own director of national. Intelligence. Dan. Coats was mystified by Donald Trump's relationship with Vladimir Putin and could never stopped trying to figure out the truth of that relationship would reports that Secretary of Defense James Mattis told Dan quotes quote there may come a time when we have to take collective action since trump is dangerous he's unfit Dan Coats James Mattis both resigned their positions before taking any action against the president, and so the president continues to try to downplay not just the corona virus but also Russia's interference in our election news broke today that a senior Department of Homeland. Security. Official says he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on the threat. Of Russian interference in the twenty twenty election because it quote made the President Look Bad. The official Brian Murphy who until recently was in charge of intelligence and analysis of the department. Of Homeland, security said in a whistleblower complaint that on two occasions he was told to stand down on reporting about the Russian threat. The complaint asserts that in mid May twenty twenty, the trump acting secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf quote instructive Mr Murphy to cease providing intelligence assessments on the threat of Russian interference in the United States and instead start reporting on interference activities by China and Iran Mr Wolf stated that these instructions specifically originated from White House national security. Advisor Robert O'Brien Mr Murphy, and Mr Wolf. With these instructions as doing, so would put the country insubstantial and specific danger joining discussion now is Democratic Congressman Adam. Schiff of California he's chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and Chairman Shift where reading of Bob Woodward's. Description of the director of national intelligence, studying the trump Putin relationship and fearing for what might be the truth of it, and now you have this whistle blower complaint with orders from the White House saying no more no more analysis no more reporting on what Russia is trying to do in this election. The such, a consistent pattern here lawrence of the president not wanted to hear any information contradicts his narrative, the willing to lie to the American people. And overtime, bending these agencies to his will. To the point now, where intelligence officials like this former head of intelligence for Department of Homeland Security are told stop producing reports on what Russia's doing to interfere in the election because since Russia's helping Donald Trump makes the president look bad. It also this whistleblower complaint outlines how they were. The analysts were told to promote. The ANTIFA NARRATIVE THE PRESIDENT WANTED To downplay the significance of the domestic thera- threat from white supremacy. To inflate dramatically inflate. The number of terrorists who might be crossing our southern border I laughter time these analysts given instructions basically to censor, politicize, adapt, conform their analysis, what the president wanted to hear, and of course, that's dangerous because we need the congress and the informed about the risks from Russia the risks from Corona virus. In the case, the coronavirus are seen the president's. Malevolent behavior is is just as tens of thousands of Americans to lose their lives. The CNN.COM is reporting a passage of the Woodward book this way it saying, Dan. Coats continued to harbor these secret belief one that had grown rather than lessened although unsupported by intelligence proof that Putin had something on trump. How else to explain the president's behavior coats could see no other explanation and I think you know Chairman Chef that I'm sure you've spoken to enough voters out there there. Are Millions of people who view this exactly the same way they stare at it and they and they believe that Putin must have something on trump to see the highest ranking intelligence official in in the government in the trump administration thinking exactly the same thing not having the evidence not having the proof but not being able to see any other reason for the trump behavior in relation to Putin. I it is really striking. Remember this is a former Republican Senator Mandiana. And? Qabail Hawaii, the president had this. As. You normally fondness for, but the unwillingness to criticize. US me. Take. Your timeshare, German the. I want to raise about. This is the way that this into. Iraq's with where we are in the presidential campaign right now of Vladimir Putin has huge stakes in this campaign as far as we can tell. With his interest in Donald Trump winning, and there's the president of the United States basically now banning the the collection of information about that. Well that's right and you know that scene in Helsinki. Where the president is taking Putin's side over his own intelligence agencies I'm sure that was part of why. Coats couldn't explain what are the Russians have on this guy But. But it's such a consistent pattern when you look at the allegations of Russian bounties on the heads of US troops of that was reportedly in the president's daily brief but couldn't be told to him. The rafer couldn't tell him about this and and the reason is so haret because anyone raising. Russian malign activities with him. I is given the back of the president's handy. Doesn't WANNA hear it. He's not going to take action to protect the country against. Am For ten Costa to say you know what the Russians have on this guy shows you the level of concern. Among nonpartisan intelligence professionals. Among his own closest advisors who recognize the danger he is and what what better proof Lawrence than the fact that he knew the virus was capable of killing people in the United States like the pandemic. The last pandemic of a century ago and he lied to the country about it it's just so shocking and yet. So consistent. With this abusive president. Chairman Adam Schiff very much for joining us discuss our discussion on this important night we always appreciate. Lawrence you. After this break, we'll get Joe Biden's response to the revelations in Bob Woodward's new book about Donald, trump. Joe Biden went to Michigan today to remind an audience of autoworkers how the Obama administration saved the auto industry and save their jobs into explain his plan to preserve and expand manufacturing in the United States. But he began with his reaction to the revelation in Bob Woodward's book rage that Donald Trump new on February seventh, just how dangerous and deadly the coronavirus really is. He had the information he knew how dangerous it was. All this deadly disease ripped through our nation, he failed to do his job on purpose. Was a life and death betrayal of the American people you know he's failure is not only cost lives is set our economy and a tailspin, the cost millions more in American livelihoods. This is recession created by Donald Trump's negligence, and he is on fit for this job as a consequence of it. Joining portion of our discussions. Ron Claim a former senior aide to vice president Joe Biden and President Barack. Obama also issued Eugene Robinson associated or and Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for the Washington Post. He is in MSNBC political analyst and run I'd like to start with you with your experience of working to contain the abol of virus. Crisis emerged the the president today defended his comments. To Bob Woodward about downplaying the corona virus. So as not to cause a panic. He believes that that's a completely defensible thing to have done. Yeah. So it's obviously untrue. Lawrence we should start there wasn't trying to prevent a panic. He was trying to prevent the government from responding recall the weeks after. The To in February Donald Trump the senior official at the CDC who handles respiratory illness Nancy Sia gave a press conference where she spoke the truth about we're facing as a country and try to have her fire. He certainly had her silence. You haven't seen her in public at all. Since that he didn't use warnings e- hat do prepare testing kits. We didn't really have testing in this country for months after he knew about the virus, he didn't order protective gear for our healthcare workers didn't order equipment for our medical system in fact, the same day that he did that interview with Bob Woodward where he said Hey I, know this is going to be bad he actually allowed back to shift to. In early February. So this isn't just about what is public statements were without he was encouraging not perjury panic key was deliberately Raqi. The federal response to this pandemic for active politics and trying to. Play down the virus as he admitted on tape. Gene I want to give you a kind of open Mike here for. What how you would prioritize. The revelations in Bob Woodward's book for You. What hit you the strongest. Well. The what we've been talking about it the strongest the fact that he actually did understand the nature of corona virus threat he understood. How deadly it was, he understood how transmissible lots he understood how it was transmitted understood just a little bit later in fact that it affected young people not just older people understood it all and yet. He lied, and of course, Donald Trump lies is it's hard to be a headline at this point, but he lied in a way that cost tens of thousands of lives tens of thousands of lives were lost had he done his job at he moved earlier tens of thousands of lives could have been saved. That is just an astonishing jaw-dropping revelation, a dereliction of duty that you that instead. There are not words really for for that, and then beyond that the the you know the babbling about some secret US weapon to in the middle of the night that no one's supposed to know about. But now the the Russians and Chinese are certainly trying to find out about the fact that that. General Mattis and the other adults were so. Frightened that this power in the hands of this, this man that that Matt was going to the National Cathedral. Regularly, to pray that, he didn't blender us into some sort of nuclear holocaust, it's it's. Weird. Gets the goods and these goods are are absolutely shock and he covers a lot of ground. In his eighteen interviews, we learned today about some of the discussion of race that Bob. Woodward had. With Donald Trump, and there's a long piece where Bob Woodward. Talk Donald Trump but how white privilege men LIKE HIMSELF DONALD TRUMP? Should work to understand. The conditions of black people the views of black people in America. He asks trump if he agrees with that and trump says, no, you really drank the Koolade in east. How I don't feel that at all but then having said that let's listen to their discussion about institutional racism in this country in which donald trump strikes a different note. Let's listen to this. There is systematic `institutional racism in this country well I. Think there is everywhere. I. Think probably less here than most places less than many places. Okay. But is it here in a way that it is an impact on people's lives I think it is unfortunate but I think it is. Gene your reaction to that. But he doesn't care I mean this this whole estate both those exchanges are probably the least surprising. Things about revelations in the Woodward Book to me it is. It is not surprising. Say to Woodward. Oh you drank the KOOLADE you're out. You're not hanging tough with A. White privilege which we deserve. We guess we haven't, and we deserve it and that's actually consistent with what He. Said later, which is that, yeah, there's systemic racism but so what? That that does not surprise me at all and claim Donald Trump knows that this kind of racism exists because he and his father were charged with their own. Rental practices in the real estate business. Yeah I mean obviously there is sadly a family history of racism in the trump world there's donald trump's own practicing racism is continued believed that the central park five innocent should be executed for crimes that didn't commit the fact that he's turned a blind eye to the impacts of covert on African Americans are right now in this country but you know what he said about systematic race systemic racism is the same thing that he said about the virus, which is I know there's a problem and I'm going to do nothing about it Adding that's what four years from the trump administration. That's what we've seen. We've got a lot of problems in this country president or used to say, Hey, no one could have seen this coming Noel could have known turns out he did know and he just didn't want to do anything about it, and that is my much more damning than the other position. Ron Clan Eugene Robinson. Thank you both for joining our discussion. Thank you. and. After this break, William Bar has apparently decided that American prosecutors have prosecuted enough accused rapists. Now it's time for the Justice Department of the United States of America to defend one. Donald trump cut y'all will join US next. Hi Everyone. It's joy Reid. I'm so excited to tell you about my new MSNBC show the read out. Tonight night I'm talking with the biggest newsmakers about the most pressing issues of our time like. The words President matter and so as President United States. The first thing I'm GONNA do is stand up and talk sense and be honest with the American people level with them Atlanta Kisha lands bottom. We need as many voices as we can have as possible sounding the alarm encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions to bottle the science and The data Senator Kamala. Harris, we send folks into war wearing camouflage. So what is going on here when you said camouflage uniform officers into a city and many more, you can listen to the readout as a podcast by searching for the readout that's R. E. I D. O. UT one word wherever you're listening right now and subscribing for free. Thanks for listening. Last year e Jean Carroll emerged publicly as the latest convincing accuser of Donald Trump accusing him of raping her in New York City in the nineteen ninety s she was ready for Donald Trump's denials and attacks on her and she sued Donald Trump for lying about her and defaming her when he replied to her accusation, and now he Jean Carroll is making legal history by getting William bar to disgrace himself and disgrace the trump bar justice department by intervening in the Carol versus trump civil suit to defend the accused rapist donald trump. This is the first time that the government of the United States of America has ever stood in defense of an accused rapist in a court in this country. Joining us now is Neil, not, AL former acting US solicitor general on MSNBC legal contributor, a Neil. It strikes me that William Barr chose to make this legal history on behalf of an accused rapist who has publicly confessed on video and audio tape to sexual assault on the access. Hollywood video, that's the accused rapist William Bar has chosen to defend. Lawrenson I think the most important thing is what's happened in this bar maneuver is not simply intervening to kind of help out the president. He's actually gone in and said, the US government does not actually the defendant in this case, not trump in order to pull off that legal maneuver which relies on the westfall act he's gotta be able to say that trump is acting in his official capacity. So Lawrence a never thought in my life I would hear the hallowed Justice Department argued that a president is doing his job as president than it is part of his official duties to call someone who alleges Rape Aligarh but that's the argument that bar has now. Filed, and here's what it means. It means not just that you and I as taxpayers are paying. Now trump's legal defense means a lot more because you can't sue the government for defamation, which is what this lawsuits about. So really this legal maneuver is bid to try to end the lawsuit bolt together and the reason for that. It's not gonNA, work. This is all about delay physically the president was going to have to give his DNA pretty soon, and so he asked the Justice Department to pull off this legal maneuver which will fail but might buy enough time before the election because evidently he's more afraid of his DNA results coming out than his tax returns. The disgrace of William Bar has many facets to it, but I have to say in in future law school classes this one this one sounds like the absolute craziest one we'll leave lost law school students. Leaving the classroom incomplete befuddled. I Agree Lawrence. The Supreme Court. When you argue a case, the justices ask you hypotheticals and they say, well, what if we changed the facts from your case? So the person didn't X. or Y. or something does your position still hold and what they're trying to do is test out the logical implications of your position and there's a way in which this bar maneuver yesterday is really that absurd hypothetical because trump for years has been saying everything he does in his is it is it as official business capacity you fires. Jim. Comey always just doing his job is digging up dirt on Hundred Biden Oh just doing his job even though it evolves dealing with the Ukrainians and all sorts of ways mean. These claims are as mistaken is they are laughable, but it shouldn't surprise anyone now say that the president now says you know when he says about Jean? Oh, she's not my type of that is part of official duties and there's one more way lawrence in which this kind of demonstrates the absurd ipod hypothetical of this administration because when you make stuff up as this justice department has been want to do one or at least would hope they'd be consistent about it but they can't even do that. It's Malone's level unsaid tempered by in confidence, and here's the best example of that. This Justice Byrne has asked the supreme core in the twitter case to say when trump blocks people on twitter. He's not acting as president. They say when he tweets on twitter is not acting as president. Fires and hires people on twitter, but that's not official conduct. But now they're saying when he denies knowing you the someone who accuses him rate him acting in his official capacity this is just gobbly gook up to use the legal term it won't stand and you know he made by himself a little bit of time but his day is coming and the courts got his number really have to say you Carol has done a remarkable job of exposing Donald Trump and exposing William bar to history and history's judgment will cut y'all. Thank you very much for joining our discussion tonight. And when we come back trump wide and people died. Trump lied and people died Bob Woodward now has the proof of that and Donald. Trump's own words on tape will be joined next by a woman who says that before her father died of Krona viruses only pre existing condition. was. Believing Donald Trump. Hi I'm Chris Dinner. KEESA. I'm one of the many who has lost a loved one to covert. My Dad was a healthy sixty, five year old his only pre existing condition was trusting Donald Trump, and for that he paid with his life. Joining us now is Christopher Keyser her father mark or Qisas, died from coronavirus June. She is the CO founder of the organization marked by COVID and Kristen. Thank you for joining us once again tonight I wanted to get your reaction to Bob Woodward's reporting of Donald, trump with the audiotape we've heard of Donald Trump saying how dangerous coronavirus, how it moves through the air. You can just breathe it in the air. Donald trump saying it's so deadly and then saying, you know this is deadly stuff. What if your father had heard Donald trump say that on February seventh or on March Seventh Trail is crystal clear now. My Dad as well as tens of thousands of additional Americans would most likely be here. Today had the president not lied to the American public about the severity of the crisis and had not chosen a strategy that in his own words were downplaying. With. Your father. Trying to get him to be more cautious if you could said to him. Donald Trump says it's deadly stuff that. Would have helped your side of that conversation. Absolutely. My Dad believed in the virus a really was whenever the states started to reopen and the president as well as his mouth. He says like Governor Doug Ducey. said that we were on the other side of the pandemic that it was safe that my dad really started to believe that we were on the other side of the pandemic. was late May early June when cases start to spike here in the United States. What was your view prior to today of whether Donald? Trump was just wrong about the virus and wasn't paying attention to the scientific briefings and didn't understand it. Or that he did know and that he was lying about it, did you have a view of that? Today I was open to the fact that the president was just me no casual about the information but today it is crystal clear that the president knew. And that he decided to lie to the American public day after day month after month, and now we have two hundred thousand people who have died because of his leadership and his policy decisions I don't know if this is the corona virus any longer it's the trump virus. Kristen. Thank you very much for joining us tonight and again kristen. I'm very sorry for your loss I'm sorry we're having this discussion because your father died. INC, Yo. 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ICYMI - Bob Woodward on "Fear" in America & President Trump's War on Truth (Rebroadcast)

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

11:43 min | 1 year ago

ICYMI - Bob Woodward on "Fear" in America & President Trump's War on Truth (Rebroadcast)

"You're listening to comedy central. Please welcome Bob Woodward welcome to the show. Thank you great to be here. Can I tell you. One of my favorite experiences was I was doing shows in Washington. DC and I. I went to eat at a restaurant. wjr And you were eating at the same restaurant and you got up to what you were just leaving the restaurant I guess but it felt like everyone in DC turns to look at you like that's the guy who could write about us an end our careers. You remember that night. My fly fly was down. I don't remember because I was looking at is Bob. You have written about nine presidents. It's it feels like for longtime people always regarded years. Bob Woodward the journalists whose impartial. He writes the story as it is. I mean you wrote about Nixon as well you wrote about nine presidents. This book feels different though. It still feels like you impartial. But it feels it feels like it really really condemns president trump because of the evidence time in time again if you For for for a summary. It's a war on truth in these making all these decisions in foreign policy in the economy. And it's it's not based on facts and so I think we're really. I think this is a pivot moment. Right and the country needs to come to grips with what's going on in they're going to be investigations going on for years. Probably but here you have a situation where the president president people who work for him have to take papers off his desk in order to prevent him from from beginning a catastrophe like there was an order about a trade agreement in South Korean. You think Oh that's just a trade agreement but it's a part of an alliance with South Korea right where we have twenty eight thousand of our troops there. We have top secret special access intelligence programs that allow us to detect a North Korean missile launch. In seven seconds and trump wants to begin that process in Gary Cohen. His top economic aids. Has I have to take that in order to prevent a calamity. Now I have. I've done this for forty seven years and I've never seen people who who felt. There was such an emergency this is this is an interesting idea. A president who has people around him who publicly defend them but then privately he seemed to lambast his every single move because this book is not written as an observation you spoke to people who work in the White House who work for the president. You have notes you have tape recordings. I'm constantly amazed and and and I struggle to understand the fact that these people work for him and they all seem to know that the emperor has no clothes but they tell us that he's wearing vusaggio. And what you fine fine. 'cause I have the time to really develop relationships of trust with people who were there is the more they know the closer they. We are to trump the more. They are on the verge of having a cardiac arrest but because of what he does and what he does not know and he will get locked into these ideas all like NATO that security agreement that has kept the peace for seventy year rights. He'd say oh we're wasting our money were suckers for doing the in finally amid I. I never thought this would happen. The Secretary of Defense has to tell the president. Oh we're doing these things to prevent World War three job one for a president prevent world war three the disk and put it in context. Can You Imagine Dick Cheney when he was secretary of Defense to Bush senior having to tell him oh by the way this is all designed to prevent World War three inconceivable when I like the very basic understandings of the presidency and what's happening in the country things that trump doesn't grasp but there's always something that people bring up in that as they say this is just like Nixon Nixon. Now you know apart from his knowledge this like Oh the shady dealing this is just like Nixon you actually wrote about Nixon you all in many ways part of the reason that Nixon Nixon got into the trouble that he got into now. Do you think this is similar to Richard Nixon. We're going to find out and it all depends on on the quality of evidence and there's a lot of aroma there lots of things going on as you rightly pointing out. Wait a minute. These are violations of the law right life. When does it get so serious that the Republicans will wake up? That's the question and they now are the enablers of trump in all of this stuff and you get to them privately and you say what do you think in. They say my head hurts so hard tough we are. You know this this I mean. Just take in the book John Dowd. Who was trump personal attorney in the Mueller investigation worked with him for eight months closely big supporter and said okay. You're going to have to testify to the special counsel Mueller and Trump says okay I can do that no problem so they do. A practice session. And trump starts making up things. Lying blows up and in the practice session in the practice. The session in this is his lawyer. Said you can't testify. If you testify you will perjure yourself and you'll wind up in an orange jumpsuit. You've like the one you picture for. Been Right and And then he finally concludes. That trump is an effing liar. I know you're not supposed to say that were here. Okay say here's something that you might be able to help me understand because what what I what I loved about this book is that honestly. It's a retelling of a story story. I don't feel your personal attachment to it. It is it is a complete factual telling of a story and interviews that you have with people but from in your personal perspective from the interactions you've had with some of the people who work with trump. Why don't they just move on? They have pence what what is the. What is the endgame name for them? What do they hope will happen? it's survival and imagine. I'm Meryl Streep the actress. Great Actress said just recently imagine imagine what Donald Trump's three a. m. is like just think of that he gets up and he tweets you look at This morning warning. He was tweeting from seven to ten or eleven. And all about a taking defensive positions on all of this one of the things from doing nine presidents. You you come to the moment when somebody asks you will. What's the job that the president and my definition of the job that the president is to figure out the next stage of good for a majority of people people in the country when a war fix the economy? We could put a board up here we would come up with the list not for for the base or one party or interest groups you know the really is a next stage of good for this country. Right is best. I can tell in trump's world and presidency that never comes up it is not addressed. It's all about the moment of when you saw that Twenty Minute Oval Office right. It's all about trump and his emotions. His impulses Hulse's M. E.. Got to the point of saying well. I'll close down the government and be proud of it will be a good thing. We'll come on. I mean he's he's uh-huh in imagine the head of GM saying that. Oh we'll close down all lance and I'll tell you I'll be proud of so then do you think. Do you think if you just look at this on the face of it one thing. We've always said is he has earned the nickname the teflon don like nothing sticks to Donald Trump. Do you think there's a world where Cohen goes down. Flynn goes down. MANAFORT goes down Popadopoulos. Goes down everybody around him goes down and he miraculously comes out unscathed We you don't know. But the having Cohen the personal lawyer for ten years we know Cohen taped all kinds of things in this case it was thousands of hours of tapes. I don't think those exists. But if there's one witness you want it's the the president's lawyer because you see in when trump was in New York real estate real estate they People would do deals with with him and they called the Donald Risk taking any arrangement with him and what they made sure they did did is they would structure the deal. So he couldn't get his hand hands on the cash flow on the money because he would just take Out and they would try to prevent that from happening so the operation Sad this moment in journalism in Lisbon in American politics of the last decade is we did not get his tax returns. We should know his tax returns. If anyone out there has the police Allan thank you so much for being on the show. The book is phenomenal. True legend Bob Midwood. 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Day 1,330: Trump invokes FDR and compares himself to Churchill at packed rally

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

46:54 min | 8 months ago

Day 1,330: Trump invokes FDR and compares himself to Churchill at packed rally

"I. Wonder he's latest miniseries Bunga Bunga hosted by Comedian Whitney Cummings tells the unbelievable true story of how billionaire playboy turned politician Silvio Berlusconi hypnotized of Italy for almost two decades in the nineteen ninety Silvio had had enough of the government's rules and regulations. So he decided to run for prime minister. You can't beat the law change the law, and thus his legacy would become an explosive tale of what happens when private business interests and political interests compete head to head for his entire political career. Silvio. Spewed lies and propaganda to what was true and what was opinion was a matter of opinion. And, while everyone was distracted, he used his mafia ties to blackmail government officials and rewrote the laws to protect and enrich himself until two words brought his entire empire crashing down. Bunga. Bunga subscribe to Bunga Bunga on Apple podcasts or you can listen early and ad free by joining wonder plus the wondering APP. And good evening once again day thirteen, hundred, thirty of the trump administration fifty, four days remaining until our presidential election one day after we learned that the president knew the full extent and the danger from the corona virus and yet chose to tell the public something else tonight without irony he quoted FDR on the only thing we have to fear. He cast himself in shirt Chilean terms while explaining the reason he told Bob Woodward one thing and told. The public. Another was in the spirit of that. British World War Two poster keep calm and carry on more on that later tonight trump held his twenty-second rally of the year. So far a packed crowd at an airport hangar in Michigan as has become the norm for this president during a pandemic few masks people crammed together pre pandemic style. Of course here's the problem the case trend in Michigan where they are reporting about seven hundred, fifty new cases day. The loudest crowd response came when the president called upon the Democratic Governor Gretchen. Whitmer. Tell you governor to open up your state. You know it's all Democrat governors I think they do it for political reasons because they'll be less activity. You'd be doing even better if you had a governor that knew what the hell she was doing you gotTa. Jovan of the Associated Press reporting. Tonight, there is growing concern over the president's large rallies. We quote here trump faced renewed pushback from officials worried that his rallies are growing in size and flouting public health guidelines intended to halt the covert nineteen spread this week the state of Nevada, became the first to scuttle his plans for rallies initially set for Las Vegas and Reno trump in the White House continue to be on damage control after the release of those damaging tapes, some of his conversations with Bob. Woodward. America will prevail over the China virus as Franklin Delano? Roosevelt said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Doing very well. As British. Government advised the British people in the face of World War Two keep calm and carry on. That's what I did this whack job that wrote the book he said well, do a little bit. They wanted me to come out and scream people dying with that. We did it just the right way we have to become? We don't WanNa be praised. Lunatic? This morning, the president said, this quote Woodward had my quotes for many months. If he thought they were so bad or dangerous. Why didn't he immediately report them in an effort to save lives? Didn't he have an obligation to do? So no because he knew they were good and proper answers com no panic earlier today the president held a press conference where he defended his virus response. Why did you lie to the American people and why should we trust would you to now heritable question and the phraseology I in lie what I said is we have to become we can't be panicked. The fact is that has to be a calmness. You don't want me jumping up and down screaming there's going to be great death is going and. Really causing some very, very serious problem. So the country. If Bob, Woodward thought what I said was bad. Then he should have immediately right after I. said it gone out to the authorities so they can prepare and let them know but he didn't. And he said he didn't think it was bad. He actually said he didn't think it was bad. That would only put Bob Woodward in the role of public health in this country back to the president's new assertion that his goal was to create calm and avoid panic among the people over this virus, his defense went like this. Now, he wants to surrender our country to the violent left-wing mob riders and arcus arsonists and flag-burners flood your state with refugees from terrorist hotspots around the world the left wants to get rid of me. So they can come after you confiscate your gun shut down auto production delay the vaccine. They WanNa, destroy you suburbs and indoctrinate your children. The murder rate rated Democrat run cities is higher than in Afghanistan. You will have crime like you've never seen before no city town or suburb will be safe. It went on like that Phil. Rucker of the Washington Post points out. Trump has governed on scare tactics and we quote throughout his five years on the national political stage. Trump has used fear to acquire keep power scare tactics are the hammer and screwdriver of his toolkit today over thirty five thousand new cases of grown virus were reported in our country. Over six point four, million infections have been confirmed and the death toll has now passed one, hundred, ninety, two, thousand Americans. Meanwhile, the Biden campaign trying to keep the pressure on the president. Here's what we heard from Kamla. In Miami today. He knew it was airborne. That people would breathe it. Joe Biden said it well, he said, well, I guess we now know he knows how to read. He knew the facts of it. We continue to have examples. Of the fact that this is an individual. Who is not concerned about the health safety and wellbeing of the American people. And frankly engaged in reckless disregard. Of the lives and the health and wellbeing of the people of our country I find it so outrageous. It's a lot to talk about on a Thursday night here with us to do just that Jonathan Lemere White House reporter with the Associated Press Kimberly, Atkins, a veteran of wbz, and the Boston Herald these days a member of the Boston Globe editorial board and Tim O'Brien executive editor over at Bloomberg, opinion also happens to be the author of trump nation the art of being the Donald Kimberly I'd like to begin with you if the president's GonNa throw down on FDR Churchill I've. Decided this teaching opportunity people can start by picking up a copy of the splendid and the vile written by this splendid, Arik? Larson. Though it occurs to me Kim the comparison to Churchill falls apart in a couple of ways. Number one churchill was honest and forthright with the people of his island nation about the dire consequences on the threat they faced one number two I don't think he ever said it is what it is. One referring to the death toll following the blitz. you're absolutely right Brian and FDR certainly was honest with the American people when he led the country through one of the most difficult times in our nation's history there there is a big difference there I I would love to also see the president site other accomplishment of both of those men without the help of a teleprompter because it seems when he goes off script, he goes right back to attacking Joe Biden and others and refusing to acknowledge the fact that he indeed lied to the American people he lied to his own supporters I mean, it's it's really difficult to watch these rallies where so many people who believe in this man who support this man Had he told them. In February even if he didn't do anything different in terms of policy had he said this is really deadly. It's more deadly than the flu. This is very serious exactly what he said to Bob Woodward. Perhaps, you would have people wearing masks protecting themselves in their families. Even if there wasn't a mandate, I have family in Michigan and back early in the spring, one of my family members had a on their homes which they conducted outside and the person who the notary who came a wasn't wearing a mass and when they ask why she said because the virus is a hoax. This. Is Putting people my family other people's family all of those supporters out there putting their lives in dangerous but in their livelihood endanger people are losing their jobs. This is very serious and as we said as a boarding today's editor Oriel, it's evidence of incompetence in a US president? Hey. Where was I? We're back again let me explain we took a hit to our signal on account of US working from remote locations on account of us all living through a pandemic but all of our guests and most of the folks at home already know that Jonathan Amir here's the question. We now know the president spoke to Bob Woodward eighteen times we learned today it was over ten hours in person on the phone phone calls often at night often when the president was alone air go the West Wing staff doesn't know what they're preparing for when the FRO book comes out. Correct. Brian, welcome back I. Actually reading this splendid and the vile right now and I haven't gotten to the part of the book where Churchill. Calls. Ed Romero. Eighteen Times late at night from the prime minister's residence or checkers you're right. The White House staff doesn't know what's coming and this is something that they didn't even realize match the senior staff didn't realize the president had spoken to Woodward at this length until the last week or so when the press release for the book came out about through EXPEC announcing that it was coming in middle of September, there was panic in the West Wing. You might recall that when Woodward's first book in Twenty, eighteen came out. Published without interview with the President, in fact he off, he asked for interviews and senior staff block them Kellyanne. Conway, in fact, on the record saying she recommended against the president talking to work because the west wing has been battered by a number of unflattering books while the president was very unhappy about this because what words I certainly was not very positive towards him and he said it's time that if we were to ever right again, he wanted to be involved he would insist on being interviewed believing through sheer force of personality that he could shape the narrative could shape the. Story, and indeed get a flattering portrayal. Well, certainly what we've read so far would indicate that's not the case and obviously the coronavirus pandemic and the president's response to it back in January for March going to be the headlines, there'll be other stories that come out to. But at the end of the day, Brian is a final point on this. So much of this president, he's showed this uncanny ability to shake off scandal to move past controversy to dodge headlines few things seem to stick. There's even this the mean yellow L. nothing matters. Well, this one seems like it might the president. What did he know and when did he know it? Will he knew well, before he told the American public how deadly virus was and if you misled the public diddy cost lives. and Tim O'Brien, a living breathing trump trigger that you are as you watch and listen to all this play out knowing as you do the president's personality. What do you see here? That has the markers of a guy who went into eighteen conversations with Bob Woodward thinking he would be the guy to get a positive spin out of it. Brian Trump's been doing this for fifty of his seventy four years. He has cultivated the media constantly although he revels denigrating the press and attacking individual reporters. He he is an addict for the spotlight and the media is his roadway to staying in the spotlight. And staying on stage. So he's never been able to resist courting the media. He also has this magical sensibility about his own powers to steer the narrative and it control reporters and get the story he wants out of that. He's had a very mixed track record around that. He's had disastrous coverage over the years. He's had fawning coverage over the years. He ultimately doesn't care as much as as long as there is coverage. He certainly knew when engaged with me on my book I had been sharply critical him long before I got involved with him on the book at one point during the book he said if you write a negative book about me, I'm going to smear you in the media and I said to him while in why did you engage with me to begin with and he essentially said because I considered it a challenge I wanted you to really understand who I think I am and I think that's what drew to Bob. Woodward. One point in the book he he brags to Malania that he's talking to the famous Bob Woodward he he basks in the in the spotlight even if the spotlight is Bob Woodward's torch that is Li- lighting a bonfire beneath his feet. He doesn't really care if he self immolating as long as people are paying attention. And Tim while I have you take on the point Jonathan just made that way. You know it was just days ago his comments about the military. Came out in Atlantic and elsewhere it was just yesterday we learned that in fact, the president knew the truth but told the public something else you hear in the media you here especially on the left, this'll be the thing. This'll be the one that gets him is is that a possibility to you? What would you counsel the people saying that? Well, I think I. Think the pin as a whole has caught donald trump. I think the economic downturn as a whole has caught donald trump he can't spin that he was trying to calm the American public down when was actually what he was actually the state of denial about what the pandemic would do to markets and the economy and average working Americans he's been in denial about the plight of people of Color. And and and and all of this has come to roost in a way that that he can't spin his way out of and I think he spent a lot of time lately particularly during the RNC trying to focus. Americans broadly beyond just his base Eilon Order. What this event the Woodward Book has done is it has swung. The crosshairs back onto the pandemic and trump's mismanagement of epic public health crisis, and while he's going out and comparing himself to Winston Churchill or FDR or Abraham Lincoln. The fact remains at Donald. Trump is irretrievably and forever baby Huey and the these events expose him as such. Not Even Huey Long Cam, here's the quote you alluded to. This is Your Own Boston Globe editorial board after trump leaves office, the nation needs a true inquiry into his handling of the virus and how to be sure that no future president has the ability to make so many American suffer for their incompetence and callousness that is tough stuff Respectfully, it's in the Boston Globe. Equally respectfully, Kim. Our minds being changed by that kind of writing at Oriel viewpoint people can hear it. They know what? It's in the breeze it's in the ether. Obviously. That's our job to try to inform people and to have an impact on public dialogue, but I think that minds are being changed by a host of things. In Michigan again, when I was there a few weeks ago the MT storefronts that line the neighborhoods where I grew up in a main street has been decimated in many of these communities. One of the reasons Donald Trump didn't want speak to the truth is that he wanted to protect the stock market. He sees that as the measure of economic strength when at the same time you can pass idol factories and empty storefronts and So knowing snowing that so many people are out of. Work they're suffering they can't send their kids to school. So I think it's a collective action I. Think what we were saying as a board is that this is one of many ways that not only donald trump will have to answer to voters in November but that beyond that, we have to ensure that no American president is this deficient is this derelict in his or her duty again and put the mechanism mechanisms in place so that we never have to live through something like this again. Jonathan Lemere, play this for you and our audience here is the president tonight in Michigan. We've brought you a lot of car plants. We brought you a lot of car plants. You know that right on November. Third Michigan you better vote for me I. got you so many. Damn far. So remember this is in Michigan where the only thing more cruel than the economy has been the march of the Corona Virus the reason people were perhaps looking at each other and the crowd. The Detroit free press instantly pointed out that only one new major assembly facility at jeep plant on the east side has been announced during trump's term Jonathan. The auto bailout was under Obama veterans choice was under Obama for that matter didn't stop him from going there on both of these fronts tonight. must really did not terrific work by the Detroit Free Press. So instantly fact checking that and again can't overstate the value of the local media coverage direct campaign like this when stories are so vital the president has has no has a pretty shaky relationship with the truth and likes to take credit for things. He does not did not. Do you just highlight a few of them here and certainly in Michigan a pitch To the auto industry is vital and trying to win a battleground state. But of course, it was the Obama Biden administration that saved the auto industry in two thousand nine after the Great Recession Michigan is an interesting case for the president who is now under two months away from election day and let you often Bryant pose a question on the show I. Paraphrase the idea of what did the trump administration do today to? Help. American people. Well, I could argue what did the president do today to help his campaign? He spent most of it fighting with even including on the rally funny about Bob Woodward fighting about the media and not really doing much in the way of advocating a way to get the two hundred seventy electoral votes, which is becoming a challenge here at the clock is ticking in his path seems to be narrowing which is. Why we're seeing him back to Michigan State, his advisors had written off in the summer they now they've got a shot but also need to expand them at places like Minnesota New Hampshire and this weekend. Nevada I'll be traveled with the president there Saturday and Sunday those rallies as you say have been scuttled at least in their current form that the campaign says, they'll have some sort of events to be an ASS will see. Our thanks to our big three for rolling with us and starting off our evening. Jonathan Lemaire Associated Press Kimberly Atkins. Boston Globe Tim O'Brien who works at Bloomberg but lives at architectural digest. View coming up for us the president says, we're rounding the corner on the Corona virus. So we'll ask a doctor on the front lines if he can see that corner from his hospital ward, and later if the Russians are interfering in our elections and there's a report that proves it is it really happening? It's not a trick question. It just depends on who you ask will ask someone who knows of veteran of the national security business as the eleventh hour is just getting underway on this consequential Thursday night. Hey everyone. 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The only other time they employed a black border around the cover was after nine eleven an. Anniversary, by the way, we mark here in the New York area starting in less than an hour here with us tonight Dr Vin Gupta he's an Er doc specializing in these types of illnesses also an affiliate assistant professor with the University of Washington Department of Health Metrics Sciences Dr Gupta made notes today the president said the US has done very well, and he said quote were rounding the corner were rounding the final turn. Then he changed past tense we have rounded the final turn. How's that corner looking from where you work? I can't see that Corner Brian. If he's just in the last twenty, four hours, thirteen hundred deaths reported thirty six staffers in cases Brian reported. That's more than all of Western or continental Europe that matter. very much in the thick of this pandemic. Brian and I, think it's important for all of your viewers but the American people to remember that that we're entering a very dangerous phase share and regardless if any premature celebrations or a declarations of victory, we all have to continue to do the right thing mask distance and hopefully just only travel only show. Only go out when you to. So judging by the crowd of the lack of distancing the lack of masks, a lot of folks, and I'm not being cute here at that event in Michigan Tonight have to pin their hopes on a vaccine coming because that's that state as you know has been in an upswing, the president as you heard kind of lifting up hopes that we're going to get this. Shortly. We have a report later in the broadcast about public attitudes, people not trusting a vaccine view as rushed to market between now and Election Day, and yet there was a newsletter we quoted last night from goldman-sachs telling their investors I accede approval may come at the end of October. How do you view all of this kind of optimistic talk about a vaccine? I. Think deep concern here. This is something that I'm really glad you brought brought this up. What we don't want to do is lower the threshold for what we consider to be safe and effective safety is pretty clear. Cut was there at birth or not. We can define that pretty clearly what about effectiveness Brian? What does that mean? That means something different in normal times that means hopefully seventy to eighty percent of individuals who receive a vaccine or protect. Example by the flu vaccine that's always the goal we come to that. Sometimes it's of course but in this case, the FDA is basically saying, we hope that a vaccine is effective the reduced disease severity potentially as little as fifty percents. What does that mean for trust were saying that success is lowering disease severity by fifty percent that is not gonNA help trust. What we want is we want an affect it back seen defined by traditional metrics not by rushed metric. That's the concern here. Bryan is lowering standards for success. Dr Gupta that is exactly what we wanted to ask you about tonight. Thank you for always being so generous with your time after coming off your shift at Your Day job we want to pivot now to the national security arena specifically, this new assessment from Microsoft. They issued a stark warning that Russia. China and Iran. Trying to act the US election in a statement the company said quote the activity we are announcing today makes clear that foreign activity groups have stepped up their efforts targeting the twenty twenty election as had been anticipated and political rights. Further, the report is the most expensive public warning today about the rapid spread of foreign governments, efforts to wheeled hackers to undermine us democracy that on the heels of that DHS whistleblower complaint that just came to light alleging he was directed to hold back. Intel on Russian election interference to better align with the president's public comments here with US tonight is a frequent guest of ours Jeremy Bash former chief of staff at the CIA and Pentagon and former chief counsel to house. Intel Jeremy what is your level of fear and trepidation that we are the target of active measures right now, as we have this conversation designed to interfere in our election matched with your fear that at some level of government folks untold stand-down look the other way. Brian, it's clear that the trump administration is trying to downplay this threat just as we were talking about in the context of the Woodward Book, the President downplaying the krona virus threat so to it's clear that the trump White House is trying to downplay the threat of Russian interference, and now along comes Microsoft a public company, which obviously has an enormous footprint in both commercial and personal sectors because of its office three sixty. Five deployments and it says very clearly that Russia and other countries are trying to engage again in hacking operations to try to obtain information that would benefit a candidate in the twenty twenty election on the matter of Russia Russia got a very high return on its investment in two thousand sixteen for Helping Donald. Trump and I think back at it because they want to help trump again and get the same reward after twenty twenty. I also WanNa get you on the record on this whistle blower complaint and. What happens next how to bear out the veracity of the claim? And and who pays for this if it's proven, right? Well this is a case where congressional oversight is absolutely critical in the relevant congressional committees have to call witnesses have to call the leadership of the Department of Homeland, security and have to call this whistle blower forward to provide testimony. If in fact this whistle blowers testimony is validated. It's a specific example of the trump White House downplaying the threat of Russian interference to benefit Donald Trump. He does not want the American people to know about this threat coming aimed directly at our democracy. He doesn't want to have anyone question whether or not the election in two thousand twenty is legitimate and the same way that people had to question the two thousand sixteen results after Russia interfered. You mentioned the Woodward were going to be hearing about it for the next week until Tuesday. When it's actually out, people are going to be reading it and finding their own nuggets inside a couple mine blowers in the area of foreign policy coats former deny speculating that indeed, it's possible. Trump is compromised by Russia. They may have something on our president of theory, many people have given voice to over the. Past three and a half years. Then there's trump's ardor for Kim Jong, UN of North Korea, the text of the letters back and forth saying at one point to the leader of North Korea in effect why can't we just go to a movie what has the president's relationship with Kim Jong Un ben good for except perhaps buying the North Korean dictator three and a half years in the clear to fortify his arsenal. Now much in twenty seventeen Brian is you and I talked about the North Koreans were actually test flying in icbm that can range the United States that think about how much progress they've made while playing footsie with President trump and the trump administration in the United States has gone precisely nothing for that time that we've given the North Koreans. But the thread that ties both of those elements together is of course the. President's bromance with dictators. He loves the autocrat he loves the dictator He. LOVES COZYING UP. To. Them he thinks I guess they're stronger tough. But of course, he's emulating it here at home and and specifically with with respect to Dan Coats, he was a Republican senator. He's no Democrat. He's no deep state or he's no career intelligence professional and for him to say that Putin has something on trump is exceedingly alarming Brian. It is indeed Jeremy. Bash. The one man we want to talk to tonight on this front. Thank you very much for making time for us on this Thursday night. Then coming up after our next break. Our next guest says the revelations in the Woodward Book Support His theory that Donald Trump welcomes pain hoping to profit from the motions. The man who wrote the book on tyranny is back with US tonight on the eleventh hour. continues. What I went out and said is very simple. I went out and said is very simple. I WANNA show. A level of confidence and I WANNA show. Strength as a leader and I want to show that our country is going to be fine one way or the other. On the president's relationship with truth and this corona virus this pandemic, this rising death toll. Our next guest writes in his new book, and we quote since the truth sets you free the people who oppress you resist the truth in any catastrophe. Especially, one of their own making tyrants will find mixture of blaming others and ex cursing themselves that includes enticing element of what we want to hear with that we welcome back. To the broadcast Professor Timothy. Snyder. Of Yale University professor was a Marshall Scholar Educated in the Ivy League in an Oxford specialized in Europe and the Holocaust he's the author of two books that we've discussed here on tyranny twenty lessons from the twentieth century and the road to unfreedom Russia Europe and America his latest book just released becomes our third to talk with him about our malady lessons in liberty from a hospital diary. Professor First of all, we are very happy that after A. Heated battle with sepsis and a long hospitalization. You are among the living and back with us we get once more the benefit of your words and thoughts in this book in the book you talk about the danger. Of Not being truthful with the public on the virus on the pandemic and I want to ask you how it's changed your thinking or solidified you're thinking if at all that in only the last twenty, four hours we've learned that was in fact, the case the president knew the truth told us something else It's solidified the case it hasn't changed my mind I. Mean I think what we found out in the last twenty, four hours confirms what in our heart of hearts we must have known all along namely that of course, the president of the United States was well informed. Of course, he made active choices not to take the actions that would save American lives. Of course instead, he told us what we wanted to hear everybody wants to hear there's GonNa be a miracle. Everyone wants to hear that the plague will go by W- itself an telling us what we wanted to hear and doing nothing he created the situation where a couple of hundred thousand Americans who should be with us are sadly not Talk about the dynamic that you've talked about to great extent what's in it for an authoritarian? To have trouble and chaos and strife and God forbid a loss of lifelike this. Will it's The problem that trump faces now. Is that he has a crisis which is not of his own making. He's he's governed with some success for more than three years by inventing crises and then blaming his opponents. Now, he's in a situation where a crisis arrived and he had to decide am I gonNA put my own political stature on the line, become a real leader and saw this real crisis or am I gonNA. Try to use it to divide the country. What Mr Trump did was he allowed the virus to spread in the beginning when it seemed to be affecting people, Brown people, the Blue States, and it backfired because of course, it's virus you can't direct. It. Now, he's in a situation where in order to stay in power in a desperate economic epidemiological situation, he has no choice but to choose the worst he has no choice. But to allow things in the next seven or eight weeks to continue to get worse, he has no choice to encourage chaos and violence because he thinks I am more ruthless than Democrats I, more ruthless than Biden, if there's a situation of emergency is the president I'm going to be the one who's able to take advantage of it. This is the way that a politician can make the worse the better and this is what Americans have to be prepared for. And yet, it's fair to point out the near religious ardor. He brings about I've been around covered politics for a long time. I've been to a lot of rallies and I saw some interviews with folks waiting for the president to arrive in Michigan tonight. I have never heard people speak the way they do at trump rallies one gentleman looked right at Jim, Acosta from CNN and said, if I die I die he was there at the rally no mask. This was to him a cause greater than that. As he put it, we've got to set the country right That's a part of this is the follower deal. Absolutely, and this is why Brian Your first question about truth is so important. What do we think that truth is a matter of facts. which we are mature enough and tough enough to handle and on the basis of which we can build policies that would be good for all of us or do we think that truth is belief belief in a single man belief that no matter what he says or does he's on the right side. Those are two very different ideas of truth and in this phenomenon that you're talking about where one chooses to believe the man over everyone else there is an ancient and historical political. Danger a democracy cannot function like that a democracy can only work when the people rule and the people can only rule when they're given the facts and when an idea of factual truth is what prevails Mr Trump understands everything that I've just said he's trying to stay in power not by getting a majority on the basis of facts by getting the minority that he has as excited as angry as he can between now and November in the hopes that somehow everything will break his way. Let's show the Nice people watching the cover of Professor Snyder's latest work eight is called our malady lessons and liberty from a hospital diary referencing a long strange trip a through the looking glass hospitalization and. That we're all so happy to report is over and we can see and hear the professor as a well man once again, professor thank you as always for spending time with us and welcome back coming up for some disturbing new evidence on public confidence in this vaccine. Especially, if people think it's been rushed to market before a certain date in November. Hi everyone it's joy Reid. I'm so excited to tell you about my new MSNBC show the readout every weeknight I'm talking with the biggest newsmakers about the most pressing issues of our time like Joe Biden the words of president matter and so as president united. States. The first thing I'm gonNA. Do stand up and talk sense and be honest with the American people level with them Atlanta mayor. You Lance bottom we need as many voices as we can have as possible. Sounding the alarm encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions and to follow the science and the data senator. Comma. Harris we send folks into war wearing camouflage. So what is going on here when you said camouflage uniformed officers into a city and many more, you can listen to the readout as a podcast by searching for the read out. That's R. E. I D. O. U. T. One word wherever you're listening right now and subscribing for free. Thanks for listening. FDA Commissioner Dr Steven Hahn says, he has no intention of overruling career scientists on the approval of a corona virus vaccine take from that whatever you wish and USA Today op ED senior members of the agency made a pledge not to compromise safety in the race for a vaccine amid political pressure. Private companies have made the same pledge but there are now signs the American public is worried about a vaccine that is rushed to market for political reasons before assurances that it's safe, we get that story tonight from NBC News correspondent Tom Castillo. With America's Kobe death toll. Now, standing at one, hundred, ninety, three, thousand, the country's top infectious disease expert today with a stark warning to doctors at Harvard Medical School about what's to come we need to hunker down and get through this fall and winter because it's not going to be easy for months the president has downplayed the risk even challenging the advice from foul and the nation's health agencies now new. Evidence that the public's trust has been shaken a Kaiser Family Foundation poll finds sixty, two percent of Americans are worried. The president's political pressure will lead the FDA to rush a vaccine before it's proven, safe and effective public confidence in the CDC has dropped sixteen percent just since April and more than half say they would not get vaccinated if it were approved before Election Day public opinion, divide it from Atlanta. Safe I think we should all give back song maybe after a few more. People do I would just jump out there and be wonder I want to Saginaw Michigan now, I'd really like to see more research done I just don't trust that how how can they come up with a vaccine? So quick I understand why people may be a little reluctant to say, well, I'm ready today for this vaccine. To see the data, so do I H director Dr Francis Collins insists science not politics will lead the way a lot of it is this concern about maybe they're going too fast is term operation warp speed may have put people off Scot, Nabil political. The KOEL coalescence of all of these things with the national election probably hasn't helped meanwhile one of the most important messages about wearing face masks to prevent the spread of Kovin is being undermined on social media with a call to burn face masks September fifteen. On that note are thanks NBC News correspondent Tom Castillo for that report and coming up when the President says, he won't have time to read the Bob Woodward Book. He's not kidding way to you. Hear him run through his schedule over just portions of the last twenty four hours. You'll want to hear this when we come back. I don't know the book is good or bad I have no idea probably almost definitely will read it because I don't have time to read it. Last thing before we go tonight, that was the president on Sean Hannity last night, and we're guessing modesty prevented him from saying just how busy he really is. It turns out when he gave that interview and the nine pm Eastern time our he was in the middle of a grueling marathon of television viewing. After checking with historians, we can confidently report no president has devoted as much time and effort as Donald Trump has to watching cable news no wonder he doesn't have time to read the Woodward Book Listen to his viewing schedule from last night into this morning. I watch. Some of the shows I watch Liz McDonald. She's fantastic I watched Fox business I watched Lou Dobbs last night Sean Hannity. Last Night Tucker. Last. Night? Laura. I watched. Fox and friends in the morning. That's eight hours of TV viewing. That's a major commitment by our president. FDR never watched the radio for that long. Obama. was never able to watch TV for many hours on end or did he even try an eight hour TV watching marathon is even more notable when you consider we're losing roughly fifty Americans per hour to the corona virus. Tonight a whole lot of viewers were watching sports. The NFL season started tonight with the smallest crowd in the history of Ero had stadium in Kansas City Limited by law to about twenty thousand though they got to see the talented Mr Mahomes lead their chiefs to victory and in the middle of a pandemic this was a first in sports history first time all the major sports leagues saw action on the very same day. NFL NBA MLB WNBA MLS NHL. And where there are fans present at NFL home openers this season, they will notice something new in addition to our national anthem. 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Bob Woodward on Trumps unique danger to the presidency

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Bob Woodward on Trumps unique danger to the presidency

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Let me show you what we mean. Stay polls show Biden shoring. Up Support Out East in Virginia Ohio while the Yellow States that you see there in the south, for example, and over on the right in Florida. That's where things are completely statistically tied Donald Trump, of course, under fire for blatantly undermining democracy this week now on substance that strong pushback across the spectrum and politically his own allies frustrated as a top Republican senator anonymously called trump for taking an overwhelmingly good week politically for Republicans anyway and changing the subject. He went on to say he or she shocking I don't know what to say. That's view from a Republican trump is acting like he agrees that he aired at least politically because he's now rushing to change the subject again rolling out. A plan for two hundred dollars, gift cards for seniors but no budget to deliver and touting order that he says protects people from healthcare discrimination based on pre existing conditions, which we should note is legally toothless. Now think about it if this sounds familiar. It's because this is a fundamental pillar of obamacare which trump is trying to gut in both Congress and the courts. So just to clear points quickly here one. Obamacare is so popular even donald trump is now pretending to embrace part of it as he fights reelection but to there's no need to pass executive orders defending parts of Obamacare if you just stopped trying to repeal it. That's the politics. Meanwhile, deadly serious reporting shows the military is taking it deadly seriously when Donald trump threatens to use four stalled onto power. Senior leaders at the Pentagon acknowledging they're talking now among themselves about what to do if Mr Trump invokes insurrection act. And tries to send troops into the streets as he repeatedly threatened to do during these recent protests against police brutality quote General Miley and Defense Secretary. Marcus, for opposed the move then and Mr Trump back down. I want you to take that in. The New York Times reporting on what our military is doing right now to ward off the credible prospect of trump attempting to seize power through violence. And they're making that clear in the press publicly. Facing off against a president who they work with who they know only gets the message to the extent. He ever gets it when it's in the media. You know I want to be clear about this I know it's been a long week. It's Friday night but. Let's take a look at the first part of that time support again, if we can put that back up. Pentagon leaders discussing what to do. If Mr Trump. Is Federal Law. To deploy the militaire. They are planning how to stop a potential coup. That's what they're talking about. Now. That's a serious word and civic discourse I. Don't use it casually or lightly here at this desk. That's what the military is planning for. A coup is a violent, an illegal seizure of power from government. Illegal seizure of power. Now that can come from outside the government. or it can come from within it. But you can mark your calendar September Twenty Fifth Twenty twenty. This is the day the US military began publicly telegraphing its preparation to stop a potential cool by, Donald, trump. and. I'm not quoting referring to his critics or outside analyst or any of the many people who diagnosed what America's going through. This is the day the military leaders who deal with trump daily privately behind the scenes began preparing a noting it for the New York Times. So everyone knows. What they are prepping for. As it happens, they're not the only one using the word. We're assuming that even a Republican court would respond in an appropriate way based on what the law is and I. And our democratic and Republican friends and the Congressman Respond. The last thing we need is The equivalent of a coup. We turn to Michelle Goldberg From The New York Times and Katty Kay from BBC news and we have more on the Supreme Court side developing news. Shortly Michelle you have written about this you've warned about this What does it tell you that the military is both preparing and publicly telegraphing? Look. I think we've seen a parade of figures at the highest level of the national security establishment saying some off the record, but increasingly on the record that Donald, trump is a danger to the future of the republic. In some ways, it's the big one of the biggest stories in America right now, we've never seen anything like this right one person after another including today a person who is in charge of briefing Donald Trump saying that this presidency in dangerous also in terms of the New York Times Story. I'm not sure that they are doing enough to actually prevent a there certainly talking about how to respond to one. But one of the ways that they've talked about responding to it is by resigning, I would like to see something. More proactive if they are all that stands between Donald, trump and unleashing kind of violent repression on the majority of Americans who watch in horror what he's trying to do. Yeah I I heard these stories a couple of weeks ago from somebody who had been very senior. Pentagon. But I she stepped down earlier this year and she said to me that these conversations were taking place. I mean I think it's worth one setbacks and asking is donald trump talking like this because he is really planning to hang onto power even if there is a clear vote against him or is he talking like this because he feels that he can sow Chaos undermined confidence in the democratic process even before November the third. My tendencies to think it's the latter in which case the damage is already being done right now I mean, why does bladder Putin interject himself in democratic processes not just here but in Europe as well why does he try to undermine the European Union and elections there NATO it's to destabilize democratic processes right? Well, as I think there are echoes of that here if you will thinking of voting on November, the third and you wake up and it's cold and it's raining and there's a long line and covert out there. You've been hearing for weeks on end. The vote may actually be invalid or there may be a fight about it or that it might not matter because the president is not going to step down you might say Joseph actually I'm not going to go out and vote a tool and that's I think the real risk with they. Appreciate Distinction Utah County because we give a lot of thought to that and what we actually. Way To and what we what we deliberately don't it is possible. For the journalistic purposes of exploring that it's both. The Times reporting is interesting because he referenced the Instruction Act is again a thing that you can lawfully us just like if there were God forbid. An attack on mainland. United States. The president would lawfully overseeing the use of the voices to defend the homeland right with the way it's supposed to be, but the insurrection act example was that secretary asper who's gone along with many other things push back on doing that. Then another piece of reporting here for both of your analysis is the Pentagon in the same article discussing what would happen if you did have to remove the president under no circumstances, they say, would the chairman of the Joint Chiefs Send for example Navy Seals or Marines to hall Mr Trump out of the White House if necessary such a task Defense Department officials said would fall to the marshalls or the secret service that caddy. I'm reading from the New York Times a screenplay. This did happen in twenty four. I think we have some of that here to remind everyone this is the scene. Where it goes down that way though who is actually in charge of the government anymore but caddy. This ain't twenty four. No and you and you're right to remind me that you're not reading from a screenplay because it sounds like a screenplay right i. mean as Mitt Romney said, and he responded very quickly to this when president trump suggested the he, the might be a peaceful transition of power you know. This is why we are not Belarus and that to sounds. Almost. Like a fabrication I mean it sounds like fantasy to suggest the our senior Republican politicians are comparing the United States potentially even to Belarus. But that is the comparison people like Mitt Romney you could get more sober calm measured a politician I think in the US Senate really the Mitt Romney. And yet, he feels the need to draw that distinction between the United States of America. The greatest superpower in the world, the country likes to call itself the greatest country in the world. And Belarus right because because this is real. Michelle and. Words and comparisons fail us. So we look to failed states or movies. 'cause we don't want to think that this is what the US is capable of or what trump is pushing for. Such a serious discussion I hate to. Reach for Jay z reference. Michelle. But I'll do it. It is Friday night. Because when he says shoot at you actors like movie directors, the rejoinder is this a movie dog and this move and so I guess Michelle, my question to you is giving a lot of thought to the unique threat to civil society of TRUMPISM. What do you think people and viewers and citizens should do with this information from the Times. From our reporting, etc.. Well. Look I think that. is absolutely right when she says that one of the objects here is for Donald Trump to make is donald trump to make people feel like they have no power to remove him right to demoralized people and confused them, and so I don't want to underplay how serious the threat is I. think that we're in the situation that we're in now because all throughout Donald Trump's presidencies people with the Ultra Donald Trump's presidency people with the power to act have underplayed the threat of acted as if those who. See Trump, -tarian were just being hysterical at the same time. Donald Trump does not have the power to stay in office. If he loses the election rice, he has the power to confuse things. He has the power to use his office to try to manipulate the outcome, try to tilt the playing field. But if there is a clear result on election night, we will be rid of this man and people who are watching this have some agency in making sure that that happens may amend your analysis slightly. For. Your consideration but. If there's a clear result on election night or the days or weeks after because the states has long had a process that can take time. Yeah No. That's right. I think it would be ideal if. You know if if Democrats win a state like Ohio a state like Florida bit could end on November third. There's a very good chance that it won't in that. It's also part of the media's job I think in the next couple of weeks is to prepare people for that possibility. The just because the counting is drawn out, does not mean as Donald Trump would like to pretend it means that there is something illegitimate going on. All very important points Katty Kay thank you as always Michelle stay with me as we turn to the other big top story or Friday night breaking news NBC News is now reporting Donald Trump is expected to make his choice for the Supreme Court to Nominate Amy Coney Barrett tomorrow. Now she is currently judge on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals this video we capture here this is just her leaving her home. You can see they're going to the car in South Bend Indiana today and we can't tell you where we should she was driving to what the rest of the day. Look like. But we do know that when she left, we know she's a former clerk to the hard ride justice. Antonin Scalia on the court and she is believed to be though no one knows her entire record. She hasn't been judging that long but she's believed to be a very conservative pro-life judge NBC News I want to give you the exact language is reporting. Trump is expected to nominate her tomorrow. That's a little bit information about her up on the screen. Of course, nothing is final until it's real, the president and the White House not commenting on this news late tonight. We're joined by Emily Basilan from the New York, Times Michelle Goldberg still with us a emily your views of this developing story here on the eve of what will be an announcement of someone to replace justice. GINSBURG, if confirmed. Amy Conybeare is the choice of conservatives they need that really clear. Especially, evangelist groups were released a ashamed. For Her until I think you see president trump going back his base with aesthetics gay promised Justices who would overturn Roe versus Wade and take the court in a very conservative direction and I think that any Barrett is likely to that. Many people have made the quasi political legal argument. that. If he went with the you know with they judge from Florida was equally pro-life whatever that guestimation is he could also help himself in the campaign I'm curious if it is as NBC and others expect confirmed expect Miss Barrett. What does that tell you about who is really quarterbacking this decision? Well Judge Barrett is a more known quantity on the other you're talking about Bar Lagola in Florida, she has a very short record on the heels courts. She also is connected to the federalist society. The very conservative group that is driving a lot of the decisions about judicial picks in the trump administration, but they just didn't have the same amount of time to. Vet Her she is more of an unknown whereas any Barrett judge. Barrett. was vetted for the seat that Justice Cavanaugh now occupies, and so I think that to the people who are deeply immersed in this process in the trump administration and who want to make sure they are getting a justice they can rely on for conservative. Bulls Judge Barrett is this choice Show. Yeah I. think that's right. I think that there was there was some fear that Barbara Lago would be I mean it's amazing. We think about Neil, gorsuch, a judge who has disappointed but right because he is very, very conservative judge but he has shown some independence most recently offering an opinion that basically said that you can't fire gay or transgender people under the nineteen sixty four civil rights law. I think that they see amy coney. Barrett as somebody who is much more guaranteed to overturn Roe versus Wade on Senator Josh Holly has said that he won't vote for a nominee unless he assured that they've you roe versus Wade as a travesty and that amy conybeare it satisfies that criteria whereas I think there's just as emily said, there's less of a record with. Barbara Logo, and so we can I think pretty definitively that amy conybeare is nomination will mean the end of Roe versus Wade in this country. It may also mean the end of the affordable care act in a whole host of other, not just progressive legislation but legislation that's been woven into the fabric of American life but I think that this is you know on A. On a day when Ruth Bader Ginsburg lies in. State. We are about to see a big part of her life's work and a right that I think for many American. A women is so hard to imagine life without right the idea of force pregnancy is so dehumanizing it seems like something from you know some some either. A TV topi ah or the past. But I think that's going to be the reality for a big part of this country, and again it's a reality imposed on us by. One of the most openly misogynist presidents in American history but also one of the most openly licentious presidents in American history and it's reality that's about to be imposed on us as repeater GINSBURG licensed state. All very important points is mentioned. It's Friday night but there's a lot of big stories here and I'm really appreciative of Michelle Goldberg on Amazon for Your Analysis I. Hope you both have a good weekend I want to mention. We played just some of that newsworthy sounds when that Joe Biden interview the talk of a coup, Stephanie Rules interview the full interview I want you to know will air as part of latitude conference. That's tomorrow and MSNBC WE'LL have. Coverage of that begins at twelve noon eastern, a lot of other interesting stuff in there. So something checkout, we're coming back now in thirty seconds with new reports of what bill is doing to give trump a special heads up on unusual election probe. Later on a Taylor's family with new call for a way, they could get more transparency at my live interview tonight with the legend Bob Woodward on the beat when we're back in thirty seconds all of that. Attorney General Bill Bar under fire again tonight, and it's for a brand new move a DOJ source revealing bar personally beef briefed president trump on this new probe into allegedly discarded Pennsylvania ballots and did it before any of this was public ABC news reporting that bar running to trump on election matters is not proper procedure neither is a new and unusual memo. The DOJ released its announcing inquiry into these discarded ballots. It makes a point of saying the ballots for, of course, the election is over that's unusual and it also basically issues attacks on voting by mail. No mention of quote fraud, the DOJ also in actually claiming that nine of the ballots were for trump and that they were quote incorrectly discarded by a seasonal independent contractor bars been caught. Inaccurate misleading voter information before he and trump often echo each other on what some call blatant propaganda. The elections have been held without bail have found substantial fraud and coercion when you do all mail in voting ballots. You're asking for fraud these practices like mail in ballots. Opened the floodgates of potential fraud. Then, people's confidence in the outcome of the election is going to be undermined does mail in voting with male indiscriminately millions and millions of to people. You're never going to know who won the election you can't have that. I. Hang With Fire. This is playing with fire universal is going to be a disaster, the likes of which our country has never seen. We turn to our friend and counsellor former federal prosecutor John Flannery, a Good Friday evening sir. Sir. Let's start with this. Sometimes. Democracy can feel like a frog. And if it is put in this trump soup. And the temperature is slowly turned up. You don't always know when you start boiling. We began the show with one story on all this we turn to a totally different story that would have been the lead if not for everything else going on, which is what many independent election experts say is a completely suspicious approach to opening federal probe on this handful of ballots your view. Well. I suppose if you kissed this frog you, you don't get prince from. But what you're really saying is that we get so used to the misconduct that it becomes normalized and we don't react to it but it was ironic that trump is saying this is the worst in history it is but it's because of Kim and because attorney general bar is serving as a campaign flair and the lawyer for trump and he's doing several things I could never have done as a prosecutor one. You do not comment on any investigation criminal or otherwise to you certainly don't give it candidate to us when there has been no announcement by the US attorney, the Middle District of Pennsylvania three you do not give out information that's false and wrong basically. They're saying it was a fraud and the press release forced upon the US attorney afterwards makes no mention of fraud in back. It appears that there was a question of whether the balance they were looking at were either. Ballots which people were sending in their vote were sending in requests. steaks and John is it valid while the election is open to publicize which candidate the Vancouver four? No not at all and they have used this information in an an and what appears to be an error by officials at that election office that by the way turned in the information to say, you'd better look at this. We don't know what we've got right. Thing. One more thing we're in we're in the legal thicket and you've given a very concise fact check. Then there's the wider thing which is twenty sixteen involved a lot of Republicans going completely bonkers over individuals and it's like, for example, and Chris Hayes was my colleague was pointing this out whether Bill Clinton? Former president spoke to Loretta Lynch. Then attorney general and whether that itself that contact about I think we have this Chris Hayes asking okay. But did they do it on a tarmac? That's all that counts. The hypocrisy. Certain well. Well the hypocrisy is that. We have to be stupid to the fact that unlike the tarmac question, we have one hundred data points starting with the Muller report in which he basically misled the entire nation as to what that says the protect his client. Mr Trump and so we we've had these statements now about look that'd be worse than male and ballots though the president. And his office is probably themselves voting by mail in ballots I wonder how bar is voting and yet at the same time they're criticizing it and I. Doing their own population because male and ballots was very strong strategy Republicans diffused the my experience past election but the bottom line is that we have a massive raw like you would see in a dictatorship Stalin Hitler earn Awan. Hooton, who's The puppeteer who we have information is interfering in this election and so what do they do? They attack Ray at the FBI for saying this is minimal and you Director saying. Yeah the FBI director fact checking and saying, no, there isn't this kind of national fraud and the chief of staff and the White House hits him for it. I think there are objections that could be rashly lodged to some of the names you mentioned and yet at the same time, there are many independent experts concerned about trump's own military appointees concerned about this abuse I'm getting more breaking news actually not making it up. So John I'm going to let you go. Thank you. Sir. And we turn to A, we have a lot. Thank you John a lot more on the show. There's emotional new demands, arenas, Taylor Taylor's family. I should say we have developing news I'm an update you on and a beat interview amidst the fears that trump wants a constitutional crisis legendary reporter Bob Woodward joins US live. Businesses all over the world right now are trying to reinvent how they connect with the world. Whether you're delivering packages, treating patients are running a global customer support center. Your customers need you to invent new ways to stay connected. 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Hannah Jones progress does not mean justice or equality or that we are right after four hundred years of black people being in this country time marking incremental progress in patting ourselves on the back for that has been long over author Rebecca Solnit. How do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically be with each other in? Ordinary ways crooked media's Jon favreau it's going to be the highest turnout election history, which means that it is a persuasion game and many others who helped me make sense of what's happening in our society and our world I really enjoy our conversations I. Hope you will so join me for new episodes every Tuesday just search for wisest happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. We're joined now by legendary journalists Bob Woodward he won a Pulitzer, prize, of course for his Watergate reporting and continues. To, document every single White House. All right on through the trump era he is, of course, the author of the book you've heard about its reporting, it's called rage an inside look at the White House drawing on primary sources as always including many discussions with the president. Good to see you again. Thanks for coming on. I. Thank you wearing. It's been a long time. I had to go underground to do the book. Well. You're. You're revealing that yes. Sometimes when I called on you at times you said, hey, trust me I'm I'm just writing this book right now. It's great to have you in reading it. There's many many key disclosures that of course have gotten a lot of attention by now rightly. So There's also a larger presentation of how this White House works differently than others and who has sway owner read something you wrote about Jared Kushner. Quote. Kushner's recommendation for understanding. Trump was surprisingly Cheshire cat in. Alice, in Wonderland if you don't know where you're going any path will get you there and thus the key survival strategy was endurance and persistence not direction. That was so striking and I want to just reflect with you bob on. The Cheshire Cat and what that explains in your view. Well it's all reflected in this larger goal of election at any cost, and so you will like I quote Dr Fauci in the book saying that he realized everything for trump was re election and I think that's true and I think we can see is we're talking about the coming election and would trump says about it if if I May were we're never gonNA have electoral purity perfection, but I believe from the constitution, not just tradition but from the constitution, the president has a responsibility to make sure that there's electoral coherence or what Earl Lauren used to call fundamental fairness in the process. But he is a just you know throwing an axe at all of this and not only neglecting his responsibility but. You know what are the next six weeks can be like, what's the election going to be like? When are we GONNA know he? He has to get but I I don't think he will. He always says thinking about himself and not the larger national interest of the country and our real Bob National Real is the. The fear that you write about rage and fear the fear that he would. Try to abuse force or military power in your view. How serious should people take that? I don't know look anything can happen. We happily I reached the conclusion in the book, we still have a democracy The stormtroopers aren't coming and shutting you down or breaking into my house the the failure here is leadership that trump doesn't understand I think a president I I don't know I I'm sure you would agree as a moral responsibility to the larger public and not just his own party or. His Own re-election and ends aggregated that in a way that is is a tragedy and you and I know each other. Well enough. I'm not a partisan. This isn't a partisan judgment. This is a judgment based on the facts before us and he's intentionally allowing the whole process of the election to disintegrate and be put in doubt of you know, where is where is an adviser? Where is Jared Kushner where is? His wife Alani or somebody saying mark, meadows, chief of saying you cannot do this. This is you're going to go down in history is a president who intentionally level democracy against the people. May I may I press you a little bit on your point about the troopers in the streets? There are one thing. I learned through the been. WAS GONNA to save up one thing I learned being around lawyers was what I dealt with the lawyers who had decades more experience. Any pressing was just a question to learn more and thus is with a journalist like yourself but taking you seriously I noticed that passage in the book and the nuance of saying as far as things have gone, there's not martial law troops point up to that point until my question to you then is when you do look at even all of the efforts we quoted earlier tonight the New York Times saying an effort to use more troops shocked it was stopped an effort to get Komi and McCabe prosecuted. An effort to get John Bolton prosecuted. It's now real an effort to get the mayor of Seattle, prosecuted appears not to be happening. Yeah. threats to prosecute others threats to put more forces in the streets, and then what some would call the quasi justified. Partial overreach. Of the federal forces dealing with the protests when you when you stack that all up. What do you think? It's nibbling around the edges but I mean the idea of perhaps prosecuting trying to get John Bolton's money that he made from this book you can make a legal case on that. You don't need the FBI breaking into his home in stealing his manuscript notes that has not happened yet and I think we need to deal with the reality I got to know trump in this book nine hours and forty one minutes of. Interviews over ten months on any subject. I could press him. You could get a sense of what is fundamental attitudes were and so forth and It's alarming. It's alarming because quite frankly he doesn't understand the country he governs in morale when he told me about yeah, the virus. About the virus in about. Approach I gotta ask you one other big theme throughout the book that's got maybe less attention. No of course. You really lay out the way that people were in another branch of Government Senator Lindsey. Graham. Is Sort of a shadow advisor chief of Staff I wanNA remind everyone briefly. What Lindsey Graham used to say about Donald Trump take a look. A. Kook I. Think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office. I don't believe. He's a Republican is policies are really bad for the country that he's a jackass how you make. America. Great. AGAIN TILL DONALD TRUMP to go to hill trump's foreign policies that completely disastrous race-baiting Zena phobic religious big. Roof you document. Yes. The role he plays explain why that was important you that's my final question. Will in two thousand sixteen. That's what Lindsey Graham said. Then he signed up for trump and what I have in the book is that Lindsey? Graham? Actual it is is a moderating voice on trump he he's saying look you always go for division you can't go out like trump did and waiver by bolt. That's not gonNA convince people you have and and this is quite frankly would I also think the election is about what can trump deliver to the average person or what can Joe Biden delivered to the average person because the average person is going to decide? This election and we we for trump to somehow think, oh, he can't panic America You know this country I tried to understand this country Americans don't panic if they're told the truth when they're lied to then they say, Oh, wait a minute not getting the full story and that's the history of the trump presidency not getting the full story we are as citizens we journalists I would argue are entitled to it. I think that's fair. I don't WanNa over compliment you. But the full story is what people have come to expect from a Bob Woodward You'RE GONNA. You're willing to stick around here for a little bit more tonight. Or whatever you would like you're the boss, right? Thank you Bob Woodward stays turning to a breaking news update we promised this is building on NBC News reported NBC News Now at this state, and the our has learned Donald. Trump has quote decided to select the federal judge we were reporting on Amy Conybeare to succeed Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the supreme. Court that official announcement expected tomorrow, that is an advancement upon where we started in the hour I told you too busy breaking news, Friday Bob Woodward returns, and the story I wanted to tell you about when we come back, we ought to Taylor's family speaking out a lot more ahead on the. It's joy. Reid I'm so excited to tell you about my new MSNBC show the readout every weeknight I'm talking with the biggest newsmakers about the most pressing issues of our time like Joe Biden, the words of president matter, and so as President United States the first thing I'm GonNa do stand up and talk sense and be honest with the American people lovell with them Atlanta, Mayor Keisha Land's bottom we need as many voices as we can have as possible. Sounding the alarm encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions and to follow the science and the data. Senator Harris We send folks into war wearing camouflage. So what is going on here when you said camouflage uniformed officers into a city and many more, you can listen to the readout as a podcast by searching for the readout that's R. E. I D. O. U. T. One word wherever you're listening right now and subscribing for free. Thanks for listening. Putting on new calls in Kentucky today for the Lead Prosecutor Attorney General Daniel Cameron from the Briana Taylor case to release secret grand jury evidence. Relief. Release the transcript. Released the transcripts. Family which did settle their civil case, but is highly concerned about the criminal process this far saying this. I never had faith that Daniel Cameron to begin with. I knew he was too inexperienced to do with the job of this caliber. The officer told a lie to obtain the search went filled her the judge who signed the search field, her the terrorists who broke down her door, her the system as a whole has filled her i. hope you never know the pain, but your child being murdered a hundred and ninety one days in a row. You hear the words they're the system as a whole failing, and that's a big part of this. There's other evidence that does significantly undermine initial police claims. For example, there was no body cam evidence whatsoever while the Attorney General did say they found a single witness resident who heard the police knock? Let's be clear. Taylor's lawyers the new. York. Times found. All the neighbors they were able to speak to her nothing of the sort. We also want to bring you the other side of the story Cameron's office responding today saying quote everyone's entitled to their opinion but prosecutors in the grand jury members are bound by the facts by the law. Now. It is true. Everyone's bound by the law the question. Is What was presented to those members the grand jury we may never know and thus have no accountability for whether they were misled on that fundamental evidence in this decision they may. Coming up after the break, we are joined by two very special guests. Bob Woodward still here has mentioned and the great journalist Nancy Gibbs with a lot more here on Friday night news stay with us. I don't know about you. I feel like it's been quite a week. And we are on a Friday night edition of the beat Donald Trump here. Barreling forward, Supreme Court picks pick tomorrow, NBC News. Now reporting just this hour he's decided conservative Judge Amy Coney. Barrett. The first presidential debate is early next week we're thirty nine days out from election day. Early voting has begun in two thousand, five states. So plenty to reflect on and we're joined by two titans of journalism, the best selling author and presidential historian. Nancy. Gibbs is the former managing editor for Time magazine the first woman to hold that post by the. Way She wrote more cover story than any other writer ever for the publication topping one hundred and seventy-five. congrats a direct S- shorenstein center at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government Pretty good credentials all around and back with someone else who needs no introduction Bob Woodward broking breaking the Watergate scandal with Carl. Bernstein covering nine presidents offering thirteen bestselling books. You can go get the new one that we've been discussing this hour rage so good to have both of you here. I used to be with you. By Savvy I. Bet I'm guessing bother you know each other's? Only in passing I think. Yeah and And by you know, of course, legendary by reputation. Yeah I feel like Nancy ever again I'm tipping my hand here but. Every journalist who tried to do any work in Washington knows of. Mr Woodward But as you join us for the first time tonight I turn to you and lot of times on Fridays. We just take a moment and reflect big picture I'm curious what's on your mind? What if anything you need you think needs to fall back out there. I, I would like the impunity of Mark Zuckerberg to fall back I'm I think this week for all of the hurricane of news. Also saw more political ads being taken down because they were misleading Bimbo millions of people already seen them. We saw more Russian accounts have to be taken down. PROPUBLICA has found that half of the top performing posts that mentioned both by mail were false or misleading, and I it's easy to undress half just much power half. That aren't never. has over our our perception of the fairness in legitimacy of this election nothing matters more in these coming weeks. Yeah. It's a really important point. As you say, we're here in one forum millions of Americans are getting their sense of what's happening from that facebook forum and what are the? Rules and obligations there as for the parts that might come from abroad. That's something that Bob you really document and looking at how the US government dealt with the Russia probe I didn't get to ask you this earlier. So I'M GONNA use US, moderators, privilege reading from a section of the book you write quote the central flaw in the Mueller investigation was the prosecutors never found and inside witness who could tell a story of corrupt illegal conduct. Figure comparable to John Dean you right Nixon's White House counsel testified in one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, three to both his own illegal actions and Nixon's. Obviously, interesting coming from you having reported on both Bob and I'm curious about that contrast that when it came to whatever did or didn't go down during the campaign with Russia. That did hobble the search. Bob. Yes Lots of smoke and there were lots of really unanswered questions and untoward. And people have focused on that but you know is a lawyer to really make case you need somebody who will turn somebody who liked John Dean in the Nixon case or you. There are people who've turned people in world basically did not kind of come clean. Fully. And so you don't have that narrative from somebody who was a participant and a witness who can with credibility talk about the president or the people in all of this if I may us Jim Question of what's on? People's minds I think if there is a journalistic tasks that we are facing collectively that we need to understand the trump voter better and I. think we need to make a maximum effort to do this I. Think if there's a failing in our business, it's kind of old the trump voter fits that. Stereotype and yes. Sometimes that's the case same with the Biden voter but I I. IF I may not under Friday night 'cause I don't like. Friday nights I like to get out of town but. Take One Night Say Thursday night or Wednesday night. I mean serious about all this and you know breaking news is wonderful but. A panel of people I'll volunteer to come. And talk about the trump voter get some trump voters on, get some people who speak for the trump administration and really peel back what's going on here because I. I think. Let me bring you. Stand. I'm going to sound like a TV cliche. We have about forty seconds. What do you think of of Bob's idea? I think it's a great idea I think we can always obviously learn from listening let maybe less to each other and more to the people who have this decision in their hand. So I love that idea. Yeah it's fascinating and we spoke recently in zoom panel to. Just regular citizen voters including a trump supporter. Barbara and Georgia recently maybe we have him back with Bob Woodward because then I could learn how to ask even better questions but to your point Bob, we've got to keep listening in these last five weeks I gotta fit in a break for joy reid. So I want to get my special thanks to Bob Nancy and hope you'll both come back on the beat and remind everyone Woodward's book and when You keep hearing about its rage available now and we will be right back. On the biggest legal and political news in the country breaking regarding the supreme core NBC News confirming this hour, the president trump has made a decision and he intends to select federal judge amy. CONYBEARE succeed. Justice Route Baiter Ginsberg's vacancy on the High Court. Bear it as we've been reporting tonight is widely known as a very conservative pro-life jurists. This could completely reverse what has been the fifth vote upholding Roe v Wade on the court she has said publicly she supports precedent all of this will be quite the debate in the. Senate. The formal announcement from the president is expected tomorrow, and that does it for the with remember tonight we didn't want to give you one programming note everyone in politics looking at these debates, Tuesday night, and as part of our team I will be for hosting some of the late night coverage after the very first trump and debate. So you can watch the debate right here on MSNBC Tuesday night and we will be joining you at twelve thirty eastern time with extended live reaction coverage the readout the joy reid is up next. Election, year like no other there are now less than six weeks until November third election day Tuesday Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Go head to head in the first presidential debate join Rachel Meadow Koalas Joy Reid, Brian Williams and MSNBC's team of political experts. The analysis you need on how this debate will inform the final weeks of the election and Steve Kornacki will break down the latest data for you at the big board. 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Trump Tells Woodward He Deliberately Downplayed Coronavirus Threat

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Trump Tells Woodward He Deliberately Downplayed Coronavirus Threat

"Several times during the trump administration a whistle blower has accused the president of wrongdoing this time in effect the whistle blower is the president himself recordings show. He said one thing on TV and another off camera. He made misleading claims about the pandemic, a life or death matter affecting almost every American the journalist Bob Woodward, documented this. He interviewed the president for a new book called rage with the President's permission he recorded. The interviews now published by The Washington Post in them the president said how serious the pandemic was although he later told the public something else it is best to listen to his statements in the order they happened on February seventh. The president told Woodward what he'd heard from China's president about the virus it goes through Air Bob that's always tougher than the touching the touch you don't have to touch things but the. You just read the air that's how it's passed. and. So that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one. it's also more deadly than your. You Know Your even your strenuous flus the president repeats its many times more deadly than the flu that was early February after he'd been briefed on the most serious threat of his presidency but the public was not fully focused on what was coming later in February anxiety spread the stock market started to slide and on February twenty six at a public news briefing the president waved off the threat, and again when you have fifteen people and the fifteen within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. that's a pretty good job. We've done the next day. February twenty seven, the president dismissed the threat again, it's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle it will disappear instead in early March cases spread across the nation by March ten pro sports, universities and schools were about to shut down at this point. The president had known for more than a month that the corona virus was far worst in the flu yet he said this now I guess we're at twenty six deaths. And if you look at the flu the flu for this year, we're AAC village. We're we're looking at eight thousand deaths and Hundreds of thousands of cases we have eight thousand deaths, she eight, thousand versus twenty, six at. Now. There's an old phrase giving the lie to someone when you give the light of someone, you prove them wrong and it is on the matter of comparing corona virus to the flu that the president most clearly gives the lie to himself. Again, this was the recorded interview where he had previously told the truth it's also more deadly than your. You Know Your even your strenuous flus in late March after the country shutdown the president spoke to Bob Woodward again, and though he did not say he lied in that Washington Post Audio, he admitted playing down what he knew. I wanted to always play it down I still like playing a down. Yes. Because I don't want to create a panic. So. This NPR's Frank Donas was at the White House on a dramatic day and is on the line now Frank. Oh good morning, good morning, Steve, what were the president's original sources of information that the pandemic was serious? Well, these were his top national security people in the White House. Security advisor Robert O'Brien was telling trump that this virus. Will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency. That's practically quote. Another top national security adviser Matt. Pottenger warned that the threat was compared to the nineteen eighteen Spanish flu which killed as many as fifty million people. Trump was also having conversations with Chinese President Xi Jingping about the extent of the virus in China and all the work they were doing. But publicly here in the United States, he was comparing the virus as you noted to the flu and sang it would go away well, how is the? President now explaining the enormous difference between what he was learning and what he was telling us. Well, he'll argue that it was not so much of a difference, but he does acknowledge in the book and you know it's obviously on tape that he did not that he did down play the extent of this and the reason was because he didn't want to create panic I was at the White House yesterday as you noted and ask the president directly whether he was misleading the public he told me he didn't WanNa scare people. We don't want to run around screaming, shouting. Oh. Look at this. Look at this, we have to show leadership. And leadership is all about confidence and confidence is confidence in our country. The president also said, he saw his role as one of being a cheerleader and that was something that he has said kind of throughout the crisis but you can be a cheerleader and still be truthful Winston Churchill was a cheerleader but still told people the truth that was part of leadership. What did it do to the president's credibility that he chose not to be truthful? Yes that's tough to answer on the president and his staff argue they have been truthful but clearly, there were conflicting messages and I. Think you see that in the visceral reaction from many in the public and look we have reported that many Americans were already unhappy and polling showed they felt the administration handled the response poorly. So this adds to that. How did the president's misleading stance affect people who believed him? Well Immune it's not necessarily breaking news at the president was downplaying the virus early on we reported that. Kind of Rosier assessment of the response to the virus for minds and his reluctance. For example, to pressure people to wear masks what ended up happening is that these public health measures that know scientists his own scientists were recommending kind of became view through a political lens. There were even polls that showed a clear divide between those who wore masks and those who didn't, and they were on political lines. Now, as the president has tried to explain what he did, what is Joe Biden is democratic in this election saying. Yeah Biden wasted no time at trump on this. He accused trump of a life and death betrayal of the American people here he is during a campaign event in Michigan. He knowingly willingly lied about the threat posed of the country for months. He had the information. He knew dangerous. It was. All this deadly disease ripped through our nation. He failed to do his job on purpose. He also said trump slow response not only cost lies but sent the economy into A. Tailspin. Franko DONAS and Franko. We should mention this Woodward Book. The whole thing with the pandemic has just one detail. There's a lot about other people in the administration. Yeah. On foreign policy and the difficult relationship that the president had with his secretary of state and top generals in the cabinet. So much stuff in there and one of the vote one interesting thing was how the former defense secretary Jim Madison. Allegedly called trump dangerous unfit. Franko thanks for the update. Thank you. And analysis NPR White House correspondent Franko or don't is.

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