17 Burst results for "Bob Pettit"
SI Media Podcast
"bob pettit" Discussed on SI Media Podcast
"Now, you can make that argument. Yep, because I do do, you know, the NBA list, see they like to have me do lists. And so when I do lists, I mean, you know, obviously, I gotta do a pass pre 1995. I'll give you a perfect example. When we had the Gronkowski Brady tight end combination thing, I put Ron Kramer in there with Bart Starr. That's ridiculous. Remember, Dave Robinson, who I know pretty well, the Hall of Fame linebacker, he said, Chris, let me tell you something right now. And I played against ditka. I played against the Charlie Sanders. He was an unbelievable tight end. He would have won 9 championships, but Lombardi traded in the Detroit because his wife had major health issues and he lived in mission. He went to Michigan. So all right, people don't know that, but he's underrated, is the point. So sometimes I've been in a situation where I have been a little too historically oriented and Stephen I did warn me about a month or so ago to Christian listen, I have no problem with you citing things, but let's not go back to 1920. He did say that. So I have tried to make it a little easier and more current sense. Well, the issue is that sports today are completely different than sports in 1960 or 1970. I mean, the whole everything has changed. So it's hard, I think, to compare. Here's what I would say. Is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? One of the top two or three centers of all time? Yes. Okay, did Jerry West play with and against Kareem? Sure. Okay, did Jerry West play with and against koozie? Yes. Okay. I mean okay, but you're looking at it. That way, it's not as bad as you think. Well, no, but played against west, west played against Kareem, and you said creams one of the great centers of all time. No, but that's fine. I think the issue is more about you not giving anyone from today credit. Fair. Part of it's an act. Jimmy. I understand. I understand. If you want me to do a list, I'll give you a LeBron and I'll give you a call. And I'll give you a Jordan and you know, nobody's gonna say anything. If I go out there and I throw in a couple bob cozies and I throw in a couple of Jerry West and I throw in a couple bob, George mikan. And bob Pettit, all of a sudden, holy God, look at that. And you get people getting north ticked off. Isn't that part of the deal? Yes and no. We already entertainment. We already entertainment business. Yes, but my thing is, if someone brings up LeBron or Brady, you don't have to look to knock them or put holes in their legacy or careers. Those are two of the old time greats. Leave them alone. I agree with that. Okay. And I use both of them I usually do. You look good. I think you're better for example would be curry. I think that would be, I mean, everybody knows LeBron's top three four players in the league. Everybody knows. Okay, good. And the same thing with Brady. Go ahead. Two last things on first take. You're flying. Two layers things on first take we'll move on.
Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman NBA Podcast
"bob pettit" Discussed on Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman NBA Podcast
"Who I know most people will not even value, but let me tell you, if James wiseman was healthy for two years, James wiseman would be a problem right now in exactly what the doctor ordered. Let me put on my historical cap for a moment. Yeah. This is not a new phenomenon. It's certainly accentuated this year. And I've had injuries on my top of my list to talk about a lot. And the effect of it. But this is so often it's the case. Let's go back to 1958. And the reason why the south extended wind 12 out of 13 instead of 11 out of 13. Is there anybody outside of St. Louis, Missouri who actually thinks the southeast wouldn't have won? If Russell weren't hurt in 58, come on, stop it. And it still took 50 points by the great bob Pettit to beat them by two in game 6 with Russell looping around. Okay, forget that. I can fast forward 1967. Does anybody else outside of Boston think that Billy might have 68? By the prevail, the Billy Cunningham had missed the whole series against the Celtics. In 1968, well, guess what? And then when he came from three to one down, first team ever to do that in the NBA. By the way, okay? Let's fast forward to 1983. The 76ers and the Lakers. James worthy didn't play. I remember that one. Thank you very much. Let's fast forward to 1989 that the pistons versus the Lakers. Byron Scott is out and the magic gets hurt. They get swept, magic was a shell. Scott wasn't even there. All right, I make my point, gentlemen, and I'm sure we can find many more examples in the 90s and the tens and it's always a possibility. But I say this, though, Jeff, you're right. Never saw all pervasive. Crazy. I was citing one specific example of a team, usually in the finals. And we are talking about a team hanging over both conference playoffs in the first round. Yes. And Martin is..
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"Guards. In fact, for years, we had curry and harden in Westbrook and Chris Paul and dame Lillard and clay and Kyrie, like all worthy first team guards in a given year. Guess what? You make hard choices. That's what this whole exercise is about. Sometimes you make the hard choice. Credit to my buddy Mark Stein, who already wrote this in his column on substack, but I'm going to steal it now. Bill Russell, the great Bill Russell, the greatest champion in the history of this game. You know how many first teams he made in his career, Chris? Three. We play with what wilt get all of them? Right. So Bill Russell had second, he made second team 8 times first team only three times, and he's Bill freaking Russell, finished behind bob Pettit once, finished behind wilt the other 7 times. This happens. It's always happened. We have a league where even today, we still, everybody turns in a lineup card that has two guards two forwards in the center. Is it a little more fluid than it's ever been? Yes, can we still kind of identify who plays what based on size and their duties on the court? Yeah, why is there only one center on the first team? Because there's 30 starting centers, but there are 60 starting forwards and 60 starting guards. It's proportional. This is basic. Great players who have worthy of the first team have always finished second. Like there's always been some guys who you said, man, I can't believe I can't fit them all the first team, but I got to make the tough choice. Whether that's Bill Russell and wilt or in this case embiid and jokic. That we are fudging the rules that the NBA is doing this, frankly, because they create the ballot. We don't. The NBA is fudging the rules to make jokic and be both eligible. This is like participation trophy type stuff, folks. This is like saying, oh, we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. No, tough shit. Sometimes somebody else has somebody has to be second team. It's okay. We'll all live. They will live. I frankly think that some of their fans and some of their supporters and their advocates like drew Hamlin for embiid are more worried about it than they are and are going to some rather extreme positions. And I just want to make this quick correction because I was going to respond on Twitter and I decided I want to get getting these public things. You respond here because you make no money off Twitter, respond here on the podcast. That's why you respond on your platform. So drew handless tweet on March 20 I don't know drew at all. I've been talking to drew for a story for the last few days. I like drew. All right, listen, drew, I'm sorry, you're wrong. His tweet is this. If you think some media members or if you don't think so media members have an agenda, think about this..
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"Not going to pay you, because you're not honoring your contract. You are our employee. We're telling you this is what your job responsibly is. You need to shoot free throws underhanded. I'm using my thing because nobody wants to do it. Or go out and shoot and learn how to become a better shooter and take private lessons and do this. And a player can say no, I'm not going to do that. No, I don't want to play for you guys anymore. Okay, fine, then we don't want to pay you. I mean, seriously, I just, you know, I let him go. He'll have some guts. I mean, he's not helping your team. He's hurting your team more than anything, destroying the chemistry of it. So let him go. Because if he can't do it for you, he's not going to do it for them. So let them have the problem. It's not difficult. Yeah. I think the flip side of it would be just obviously these guys, they are the stars of the game. They are the reason we go and watch them and people spend a lot of money to see them. They've earned a certain amount of that. Nobody's paying money to go and watch Ben Simmons not shoot and shoot 40, 32% from the free throw line, okay? And so I saw him play in college, played against my son canyon, and when he said college of Charleston, I said when I first saw him, I said, why God, if this guy learns how to shoot the ball and becomes a good shooter, he's going to be a huge factor. It would be a great player. Why in the world he wouldn't want to try anything within reason to try to become better at doing that to take his game to a new level to give his team a chance to win a championship to make himself a better player contributing to that championship and success. Why would you not do that? I just don't understand. That's the case because I love greatness and I hate to see greatness weights that this kid could be a great player, but he has such a flaw with his shot and not willing to even shoot easy shots and not willing to be a better free throw shooter. He becomes a liability to his team. I just don't understand the mentality behind it or who was guiding him who's giving him advice about stuff. This is just not good. It's not good personally. It's not good team wise. You know, I'm nothing against Benson. I think he should be a great player. I mean, I'd love to coach him, teach him how to go ahead and do those things. Can you imagine Ben Simmons being an 80% free throw shooter and being able to shoot the ball well? And he's playing point guard. He can take any point guard the guiding by almost any guy in the league and go down and just destroy him in the post. Yes. And pass out of it to other people for threes. It would be a joke. Yeah. But you can't do it. Because he's a liability. That's the last thing before they get you out of here. Part of the weekend too, of course, is celebration of the anniversary of the 75th anniversary team of which you are of course a member. Who'd we miss? Who'd we miss on that? Anybody we should have made? That's so subjective. I mean, other people talk. My wife and I talk about it. Well, should you even have guys who are still current on it? Young guys in the league. I mean, have they made their mark or are they just a flash in the pan and they're going to be done in that? They're not going to play well after this. The easiest way to do it for me is this student decades. Big guys in their decades and you take the best players from the various decades and say, okay, he was on this team, that team, but when you start getting into this, you got a lot of guys who are still playing now who are part of a 75th anniversary team. Not that they don't believe, but along there, but there are others that people think should be on there. So again, it becomes subjective. You know, what are the criteria? The criteria is what somebody personally thinks about who's voting. Yeah. So I mean, how much validity is there to that? I mean, certainly some guys were probably slighted. And some guys, you know, are on there that maybe you shouldn't have been on there. Was there anybody you wanted to see on there? I didn't pay any attention to them. That's not immediate worry about doing. I just played the game and let other people talk about it because a lot of them don't really I don't think a lot of people really understand what it takes to be a great player and what skills you need to have. I mean, they just look the scoring. There's so much more to the game than scoring points. I mean, I scored a lot of points. Take enough shots. You can score points. How did you play the game? How did you understand the game? I mean, yeah, I didn't even know what these scouts look at sometime. I mean, they just get so hung up on athleticism these days. I'll tell you, I'll give you 12 athletes, 15 athletes. Let me pick 15 guys that know how to play. Some of them are going to be athletes, but a lot of guys that know how to play aren't necessarily great athletes. But I'd rather have that guy than some time an athlete who doesn't know how to play. Yeah. Absolutely. Rick Barry, thank you so much for the time. Really appreciate it. Enjoy the weekend. Thanks. Okay, that's it for today's show. My thanks again to bob Pettit, elvin Hayes and Rick berry. Thanks to Julio mantega and the retired Players Association. Thanks as always to our producer, Shelby royston, and thank you all for listening. Remember, you can hear Chris mannix of me every Tuesday on the crossover with all the latest NBA chatter. And then on Fridays, it's me and a guest. Don't forget to rate review and subscribe to the crossover wherever you get your podcasts and hit me with all your feedback on Twitter at Howard Beck. Have you ever wanted to learn about cryptocurrency, but don't know where to start? Well, the coin bureau podcast is here to help. My name is guy. 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The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"Now very pleased to be joined by another NBA legend, Rick berry, Rick. Welcome, thank you for taking some time. Sure. How is the. We're early in the weekend so far as we tape, but how's the weekend so far for you? What was great? I got to play pickleball this morning. Pickleball against who? I went out to a club that was something was set up, so I got a chance to play a little bit over there. And Mark termini, who used to be with clutch sports, is retired and all doing some stuff. He lives here, and he's likes pickleball, and so we talked about getting a chance to go play some pickleball, so I got to do that. Nice. And with my wife and had some fun, get some exercise and now they got me doing the interview circuit. How are your pickleball skills? I'm actually very good. I won a bunch of national and world senior championships playing in doubles and mixed doubles and I just love the fact that it's something else I can use and get out and compete. That's the thing when I retired, I miss competing and miss playing basketball. I knew I couldn't play basketball, but I wanted to be able to compete and so I found long driving in golf. I won a bunch of world long driving championships in my age division until they stopped that and got rid of the old farts and then I found pickleball and so I've been playing pickleball now and like anything I do. I always try to be as good as I can be and my goal was to win some national titles and I won not only that, but the world seniors as well. And so I'm very proud of that and thanks to my partners because I wouldn't have won without good partners. I find this is a common thread, especially among the greats of the game. I'm sure everybody who competes at the level of the NBA, there's a similarity here, but especially those of you who were at the peak of the peak, that the competitive drive thing never really goes away. It's really interesting to me that obviously this is something that you need to channel it somewhere. Well, I don't know. I can't speak for the other guys. I mean, I do know some of the other guys. I don't think the competitive drivers there because when I look at a few extra pounds and stuff, so I don't know how competitive they're going to be, but that's everybody's in a different individual, so I can only do what's right for me. I don't worry about what the other people do. I just think that if you're a world class athlete during the prime of your life, why in the world would you allow yourself not to stay in good condition and be active and do a lot of other fun stuff and stay competitive? Are you that way in everything? You're playing cards, everything. My wife says, honey, we're gonna go play a little social thing. I don't do social. Not when it comes to competition. I can be social to sit down, talk, have a good conversation like we're having here. But if you're going to go out and do something in the world of sports, that's a competitive sport. I'm going to go out to win. I'm not going to cross there to be nice. I'm going to win. I mean, what the hell? What do you play for? I mean, you should be playing for playing something you should be playing to win. Them in your best effort. So that's what I do. Same if you're playing monopoly, Scrabble cards. Leave home with confidence. We have competition with my sons and doing stuff. Every time you're playing a game, a board game, whatever, I would have win. I'm not going out there just to do it not the way and I'm not happy when I don't win. I can appreciate if somebody else beats me and give them credit for what they did, but I'm trying to beat them, so they should be trying to beat me. Fair enough. What strikes you on a weekend like this being back in an MBA venue? Is it about the people you get into reconnect with? Are you interested just to see the game itself? What about the game anymore? Okay. Let's just get that straight. It's a demonstration. It's a demonstration. It's not even a demonstration. It's more of entertainment. They're going out there to put on a show for the people. It's no longer a game. They need to take all the records and put asterix the next time because they mean nothing. Back when we did, it was a competitive game that everybody played as hard as they could play. But wish it was the same way now, but I understand they have a lot of money on the line and invested in these guys and they don't want to maybe take a chance if something happening to them. But I'm hoping that the rising stars game that we can get these kids on one of the honorary coaches that I don't know what the coaches are going to do, but it would be nice if those guys, at least we go out and play a competitively. I mean, hey, when you get to be an all star, then you go out and put on a show and do stuff. But to go out and do the same thing that the NBA does in this game, it would be a major disappointment tonight if they can't get these guys to go out and play seriously. It's a way to show what you can do to the people and hopefully get a chance where you can become an actual all star player of all star caliber player. So yeah, for me, it's seeing people. Just before I came in, I ran into Dominique and I loved Dominique seeing elvin Hayes and so many of the other guys that had great respect for playing against or watched play. That's probably the most important thing for me because it's not about the game. One of the most fun things in one of the most popular things now is what's hard when I was on the board of retired players associated for many, many years is the luncheon on Sunday. It's people just love that to go be around and be around the legends and that's become one of the most popular events I've all star weekend. It's a hot ticket. Yeah, and then of course the companies, the slam dunk, you know, so, so I mean, here and here, you know, how many different dunks can you do? Some guys have done some creative things. And that's nice. I'm not a big fan of the skills competition, it all comes down to the last shot. It determines everything they need to come up with a better format. The most enjoyable thing for me is three point shootout because that's something that's a skill and if you shoot it better, you're going to win. So that's the one that I enjoy more than anything else. It is the most consistent one. It is the one that you can count on no matter what year no matter who's in the event, that one's going to be fun and entertaining. Well, it's going to be the person that actually shoots the ball best. Yeah. Pretty simple, straightforward. Pretty straight. It's pretty the other one is not. You can miss all the other passes, take extra passes and stuff still go back into the guy doesn't make that last shot and you get a chance to knock it in. So anyway, whatever it may be, that's fine. They have tried to fix or improve the All-Star Game a couple of times. The E la mending and here's the thing. Just be honest and say what it is. It's a chance to go out and be entertained with these guys doing incredible things, having a great time throwing up these crazy shots, doing these amazing things to do. And then you hope if you're a fan of the game and you really want to see something competitive, hope that the game's close in the last 6 minutes and they'll get serious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if there's anything else to fix it. The incentive structure is not there and I'm not sure how they fix it. I'll tell you the incentive was when I played hell it was like, I think $3000 to the winning team, that's a 5th of my salary. You can put your ass I was going to play hard. I mean, come on. I mean, now it's not. I mean, it's crazy. You go to be entertained. Yeah. Fair enough. Not to see a legitimate, hard fought, competitive game. That's not what it is. And it will never be that again, I don't think. I agree. I think that that's probably gone. We had to release it's not fun. Sure. I mean, I still remember the other a couple of all stars. When Steph Curry made a freaking bounce pass that he threw from almost half court that went up on the other side and I think it might have been Giannis or somebody who caught it and made a dunk on the play. I mean, my God. Maybe that's like incredible play. Seeing stuff like that and the crazy things these guys do, that's entertaining. We just had a really active trade deadline and highlighted, of course, by that nets sixers trade where you had two players who were both stars who were unhappy in their current situations, basically forcing trades. What do you think of this trend that's kind of emerged of guys basically saying, you know what, I'm done and I'm not waiting for free agency, get me out of here now. Well, it's like will Chamberlain who I got to know after I retired and really liked a lot. This last book, I think he did was the called the inmates are running the asylum. And that's what's happened to the NBA. Wait, way too much power given to the players. Their employees. They're an employee. I mean, how does a player say, I'm not going to do this? Fire them. Go find a job someplace else. I'm not sure that's possible, but of course it's possible. I mean, if you're not doing what you're told to do, if you're working for a team and you're told that you have to do something, just the same way. If Ben Simmons, for instance, if the team decided to look at, you need to go and learn and shoot underhanded free throws. We're paying you $33 million, and he's going to say, no, I don't want to do that. Well, then fine. Then we're.
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"I've heard yogic referred to as the best passing big of all time. Now, you know, obviously the Walton sabonis and some other great passing videos. What do you think? I don't think so. I think that it's very difficult to judge a player like yogurt. But, you know, Bill was he was a tremendous person. He would great at passing the basketball. It's one of those things that you can not, you can try to compare a basketball player, but you can. Because players, you can't put them out on the floor with each other. And say, okay, let me see you pass now. Okay, let me see you pass. You can't do that. It's always a situation where there will be doubt. It's like Oscar. It's like saying Oscar. Can really do all of this and all of that. But then again, you say, step curry can really do all of this and all of that. But he's still Steph Curry and Oscar is still awesome. Last thing before I let you go here, the NBA 75 list was such a wonderful rollout by the NBA back in the fall. Who did we miss? Anybody that you would have liked to see on there who did not make it. No, I think that they did a great job of bringing in players which I felt that the 50 greatest they had and then bring it in 25 more was really exciting and very good. And I really don't think they really missed anybody. There's always a few who you know. It's a solid list. Yeah, you could always say, wow, that guy should have been there. That guy shouldn't have been there. But I think that the way it is, I think it worked out really well..
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
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Now very pleased to be joined by a 12 time all star 6 time NBA and NBA champion in 1978 with the bullets, elvin Hayes. Mister Hayes, welcome. Thank you for joining me. Hey, it's my pleasure. Great to be here with you. Tell me about what all star weekend means to you now in this environment with where the game is today and getting to see folks. What do you look forward to on a weekend like this? Well, I think it's very important to get to see some of the young players. I know on the first year the dunk contest, I was in it. Now, I would love to see the new players coming in Duncan the basketball, but also I'm really excited about the game because I know that Steph Curry is going to be Bradley bringing it and I think so many of these guys are really playing great now and it's going to really give me a great feeling to be able to watch these guys to be able to for them to show put on a show for everyone. So it's going to be really exciting. The dunk contest kind of seems to ebb and flow from year to year. There have been years where we think my gosh, I've never seen anything like it. There are years where we think, all right, this thing's over. Everything's already been done. How do you how do you feel about where it stands now? Well, I tell you. I want some of the rocket players. And I tell you, I have never seen guys jump as high. This game has really just taken off because these guys putting their head on the rim every night. And. I'm just talking about one team that I go and watch every night, and then I watch them play teams every night that I just, these guys are just super. John morant, you watch a little hip. Yeah. Can you believe how hot you said hit it the rim, I think his entire chin's above the roof. That's what I know. It's just really amazing. When you see these guys out there dunking the basketball, it's like almost intimidating to say. Can anybody beat these guys? So it's really amazing. Your day in the NBA was a really about the big men dominating the pain. That's true. The game has obviously evolved quite a bit. Sounds like you're still watching quite a bit. What do you think of where the game is now? Well, I really feel that the game have really elevated itself. In a way for office and minded players, they have tried to take the big man out of the game, but I feel that there's always a place for the big man. I think that for a team to be able to have a big man in the center and also a power forward. I think that's where you build your team, then you can go with your smaller players that small forward guards, it's still there, but I don't think you can just totally wash away the big guy because the big guys are part of the game and always will be a part of the game. There was a long period of time where we thought, okay, the big men are still important. They rebound the defend, but the dominant scorer types the Shaquille and the keys and kind of faded away and the center position kind of lost some of the glamour, but we now have Joel embiid. Yeah. And Nicola jokic. Yes, right. I assume that you're very heartened to see this resurgence. Well, I am. Because you really can't get rid of the guy because the big guy is a part of the basketball game. It was when it was first bill around him. I think George Mike and this was proved to be a super big man bob Pettit, all of these guys. They really proved to be super big guys. Bill Russell. It's like night and day. The game of basketball now versus these guys. And I just think that these guys are just tremendous players, but I think there's a place for the big man right now to come back and play. And beat and jokic can dominate the dominate inside. Yes. But they both can stroke it too. These guys can shoot threes in a week. In a minute. Yeah. What do you think of that? That aspect of a big man like the 6 11 7 foot 7 one guy out there at the three point line. Yeah. But you know, I was thinking yo, I was feeling I was telling a guy I said, you know one thing that big guy is gonna really change the game because he shoots three, he stepping in. He's going out. He is just a really a dominant player. Yeah. She's really a dominant player. Doesn't bother you as an old school guy. They meant shooting threes. No. It makes me feel good. Because I consume them. The three had come in by before you before you retired, right? How many threes in your career? I won. Did you make it? No. Was it an actual three or was it? It was actually a three, and that's why I think that it was good that they didn't have me take too many..
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"Every single time and got every rebound and I was proud of it. Very rare to get to talk to somebody who actually battled with wilt and Bill Russell. So tell me what that was like just going up against these giants of the game. Well, you know, number one, you better be aware of where Bill Russell was at all times because he without question was the shot blocker and he dominated on the defensive end and I don't think people today the players today are the fans that they realize how important that block shot blocking was and it rebound. Wilt, you know, you sit in your locker room and say, okay, you going over the other team. Okay, you got will. He's going to get 50. You know that. Now we got to stop arizon. We got to step Al Greer, Tommy gola, we got to do a better job on his teammates to hold them down because you're not going to you're not going to hold wilt down under 50. If you're good, he's going to get that. So, you know, it was incredible playing against him. I mean, I defy you to find me two better sinners. In the history of the NBA, are they all the great big men? Sure, Kareem and Shaquille and some of those great players, but Russell Bill Russell and will tour in a class by themselves. They win credible. How did you prepare for a game like that? Well, you thought about it, is what you did. You sat down before the game. I asked what I did. I promoted myself. My coach, some of the coaches were able to motivate you in some when you I wouldn't want to listen to because they didn't motivate very well. They deflate you. So I got myself prepared. I sat down and who am I playing tonight? I played against him 50 times. Stop him all defense. What do I keep him going? Don't let him get to the baseline, play in his face. What have you and, you know, on the other end, you know, offense, I think no, I've got to be awful careful driving for the basket because if will to say, I'll Bill Russell Bill Russell is going to be there. It will as they are. Then you better do something different. You better be prepared for. And you might go, I've said this, you might go to the other side of the basket, use the basket, is protection for you ball. You might go up and kind of jump into them a little bit, and that way, if you bump them or something, make contact with them, they want, you couldn't jump as high, couldn't be as so you tried all kind of things. You hope you found something to stop them, but didn't really hard to do. Suck those guys. Last one, there's been kind of a big man renaissance those last few years with Nikola Jokić who, of course, when MVP last season, Joel embiid and jokic are now maybe one, two in the MVP race. Now, what do you think of the dominant centers of today and what they've been able to do? Well, as you said, it seems to have gone into being more of a guard over orientated offense. Outside the three point shot and the guards driving the basket and taking it and the centers, you know, they still have to rebound. They desperately need them for rebounding, but you have to have to try to keep them involved in the thing. And I don't think you have many centers today that are average in 25 points a game. I maybe I'm wrong. A couple of them. But yeah, the big man. Yeah, embiid and yogurt are the only ones probably even in that vicinity. And you also had the very important rebounding, but I don't want to say it's a guard dominated lead today, but the guards, the scoring is much more from the outside than it is in the inside today. To me. Yeah. But you enjoy it yourself as well, so. Yeah. I did. All right. Bob, I appreciate the time. Thank you so much. Get you out of here. You got a few more of these to go, so I'm happy to be here. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Hey, it's Dua Lipa. I'm here to tell you about my brand new podcast Dua Lipa at your service. I'll be sitting down with the world's most inspiring minds to uncover what makes them tick. What they've learned from their successes, failures, and the obstacles life has thrown at.
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"Not one, not two. I sound like LeBron James, not three, actually three, three, though. Three Hall of Famers all of them part of the NBA's 75th anniversary team. They are bob Pettit, an 11 time all star and two time MVP and NBA champion in 1958 with the St. Louis hawks, followed by elvin Hayes, a 12 time all star and NBA champion in 1978 with the Washington bullets and lastly Rick berry 12 time all star and NBA champion in 1975 with the Golden State Warriors, Rick, in particular, as always had a lot to say, but a lot of fun stuff to with mister Hayes and mister Pettit. Had the honor and the pleasure of sitting down with all three of these gentlemen during all star weekend in Cleveland, many thanks to the national basketball retired Players Association, also known as the legends for setting us up, shout out to PRA Julio mantega, does a great job over there. Next week's Friday crossover, by the way, will also feature a legend and member of that 75th anniversary team, but that's a more extended conversation. I'm just gonna leave that as a teaser, won't tell you who yet, but you do not want to miss that one either. Please remember to subscribe, rate, and review the crossover wherever you get your podcasts and hit me with all your feedback on Twitter at Howard Beck. Okay, my chats with three of the greatest players in NBA history are coming up next. So stick around. This is the crossover and NBA show hosted by Sports Illustrated's Chris mannix and Howard back. It's a whole new level for you and me, Chris. This relationship. Like and subscribe for the best weekly NBA content these two are capable of. What does that mean? It could be the best duo ever. I don't see how you can beat that. Here they are. Chris mannix and Howard back. Now very pleased to be joined by an 11 time all star two time MVP member of the 75th anniversary team. Bob Pettit, bob, thank you for joining me. Pleasure to be here. Beautiful day in Cleveland. Beautiful day in Cleveland. I don't understand outside. We are inside we are safe from the ice and snow. When you come back to an event like this, when you get a chance to be immersed in today's NBA again, what strikes you? What about today's NBA strikes you the most? Well, number one, I think, you know, the difference that so many differences what strikes me is that number one is watching these players are so great today. I mean, we had great players and I think the players that we had back in the 50s and 60s, you know, they could play some guys like Oscar and Elgin Baylor and Jerry West and Bill Russell wilt. Those guys could play anytime anywhere and but they were only 8 teams in the league when I played today there. 30 something NBA teams and the talent is so incredible. The three point shot I think is added a lot to the game. The fans seem to love it and they get all excited about it. It's different and the main thing too, one of the main things is the media coverage. You know, when you look here, we played back in our first All-Star Game was 1955. I think in New York, bizarre recall, and you might have one interview and one sports writer there that wanted to talk to you, but basically it's so different today. And it's so important today to psyche if that's the right word of the American people. They love professional basketball. They love the NBA. They love these great players and they become they become like folk heroes to these young men and old men. Some of the ladies really enjoy them. So there's a whole different atmosphere today and now I enjoy coming back and occasionally a like this weekend. I'll have a chance to visit with some of the guys that I played with and against. And they're not many that are still living there. Most of them, I was one of the ambassadors selected for a particular era of time and I think the main thing was I'm still alive. There's a lot of them. The players that could play it in that era of unfortunately didn't make it, but you know, it's a great time to come a great time to see all these great players and to attend the different functions and I'm being cited and I'm excited to bring my wife has come to my son and grandson and we have a great time and I look forward to it and all excited about it. It was such a big man dominant league back in your day. And for most of the history of the game, it was really about the guys in the paint and the guys who could score from close range. And it is such a, it's a more diverse game because there's still bigs who are dominant, but there are, as you point out, the three point shot is so prominent. That change that is shifted that it has shifted toward the outside, did you ever worry that the big man was going to become less relevant in the game because of the three point prominent and more about anything. In those days, I was happy to be here. I was a kid, barely 21 years old when I joined the league. I was drafted by the Milwaukee hawks, never heard of them when I came out of college. I was not for me with all the teams in the NBA. So if it was a different world and I loved it, and I was enjoyed it. So I can't say enough great things about the NBA today. You were one of the all time great rebounders. I jotted down a couple things here. You averaged 16 rebounds a game for your career over 11 seasons. Your career per game averaged 16.2 per game is still the third all time. Including 20 rebounds per game in the 60s, 61 season. Those numbers sound mind boggling to me now. Is rebounding just not as much of an art. Today is just the game is just played differently. What made you such a dominant rebounder? Well, I think rebounding is nothing but hard work. And you know, you're watching a game today and many of the big players don't go to the basket to follow the shots. You know, in my case, it was 5 or 6 points a game hanging on the offensive board, so I went after him and I can honestly say that I went rebounding was the most important thing in my game, I thought. Did I score yes? You said 26 points a game for 11 years. 26 plus. But the thing I looked at and it was most conscious of was my rebounding. And I lived in the arrow with the two greatest rebounders in history and Wilton big Bill Russell. And they averaged 22 rebounds a game in here, my little 16.2 or three or four rebounds is pales in comparison, but I was proud of it, and as you say, I think I'm probably the third leading rebounder in history has always rebounds for gaming. So I don't think that it rebounding is simply warning it more than anything in the world. You get in there and you go every single time. You don't go once out of twice. Once out of three times to the board, I went every single time to get the offensive rebound and get the defensive rebound. So it's just hard work and you have to really, I think it's a state of mind. You really have to, you know, I'd look up and I played with players and I'd get the ball off the backbone and turn around in my other rebound. It was not at the other end waiting for me to throw it to him so he could get a layout. And I never did that. I went.
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
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Game Theory Podcast
"bob pettit" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"Basically, everyone in the top 50 all time. In scoring is a Hall of Famer. Like it's pretty clear to be honest like where that line of demarcation is, as soon as you get past Joe Johnson and Lamarcus Aldridge, at 50 and 49, it's literally just every one ahead of that is in the Hall of Fame, like pau Gasol is going to make the Hall of Fame. He's 44th. Dwyane Wade obviously is going to make the Hall of Fame. He's 35th. You have guys like Hal Greer, Walt Bellamy, both Hall of Famers. Bob Pettit 45th Hall of Famer. Mitch Richmond is probably the guy that's like most comparable to demar Derozan in terms of like Hall of Fame career in numbers..
The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"Fun of them. Yeah. Kid made the other one. Kid made the other one. He was coaching KG pierce deron Williams and Joe Johnson with the nets. That was the other great oh, this is gonna be awesome, cover that wasn't so awesome. They were just cagey was just past his prime. Paul was still playing well at that point. Yeah, those guards were old too. They were just in brook Lopez hadn't really fit in the way he does now to a great team. That was yeah, I mean, and he has gotten into his own self as he's gotten older and less injuries. I think that he found his style. But when he was younger, he was just soft. His pal Gasol on this list, I added him. I wouldn't even retire his number in LA. Pau Gasol is going to be our tenth or no 9th player at an airport on that one. I just can't even put them. I mean, I can't believe they're retiring his number with all the numbers that are not retired in LA. He's on the I think we kicked around the Echelon of great force. He's like on that probably third Echelon there, but he goes on the bottom rung of this list. If we had a rank them, he'd probably be like 74 75. So he's orange. She's highlighted in all of my friend on the edge. But I think he's in there. Keep going, Bobby. We're running out of time and we've got a hard stop in 20 minutes. I stand. No, I took him off and reluctantly. I have him on there still, but that can be. I think that's interesting. Why did you keep bob Pettit? Do you know?.
Game Theory Podcast
"bob pettit" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"People are going to look back on it as he needed like more help than the other superstars of his era when I don't think that's the case. I think that it would be a ridiculous narrative to say that. I think he was the guy who stirred the drink for Golden State in the playoffs. When they won their two titles in 2017 and 2018, right? Like he was freaking unbelievable in his two finals, MVPs showcase that, right? I hope that people don't look back on Kevin Durant and go, he was he rode the coattails of other players and things like that. Only 14 guys have even won more than one MVP. Period. And now Kevin Durant needs to be on the list. Actually, now I'm actually pushing for that. I'm not necessarily expecting it or anything, but I am going to be driving the narrative. If he's good this year, that's it. Kevin Durant, we got to get him another MVP. See, like, that's the kind of thing you want to happen. I'm looking at this. This is like bob Pettit has to. Carl Malone has two. One. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. The Malone MVP, the one year, is very contestant. You're tired of voting for Jordan. I'm sorry. Just some other odds here from bed MGM, Luka Dončić is the favorite at four to one. Joel embiid at 7 to one. I think embiid the 76ers are good. There's going to be a significant narrative push for him. And I don't even think it'll be narrative. I think it'll probably be rightful that he'll be right in the mix if he plays 65 or 70 games. Kevin Durant is the third favorite at 7 or tied for the second favorite, I guess with embiid at 7 to one. Giannis, the four favorite at 8 to one, Stephen Curry's 9 to one, Damian Lillard 11 to one LeBron 14 to one jokic is 16 to one Trae Young 16 to one. Devin Booker's 20 to one and by the way, Devin Booker's 20 to one and Chris Paul is a hundred to one. That is weird to me. I can't quite navigate why there's such an enormous difference in their odds. I kind of like Chris Paul is a market inefficiency there. Anthony Davis, James Harden, Jason Tatum, all 25 to one. I think it's probably interesting. I think Tatum is kind of an interesting MVP choice. I wonder if this is the year we see him take that like Paul George like third place MVP spot that Paul George did when he was with Oklahoma City because Tatum I think is going to be awesome this year. I think he's going to be unbelievable. Yeah, I agree with that. And I think that if Boston can be better than we all expect, 'cause again, it's all about those expectations. Yeah. If they really better than we expect top four in the east level, we'll hear some Jason Tatum talk. I mean, this is just like with the Mavs. If the Mavs are top four, we're gonna hear Luca. If, you know, I think with the nuggets, right? If they're in that top three conversation, we're gonna hear jokic. Yeah, I think winning is gonna matter for the MVP award a great deal as it maybe hasn't the last couple of seasons..
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Right. I think the the suzanne idea and again with kobe. You never know i heard. Maybe the delay was because he was looking for another opinion but the a. c. l. It's not descent. Like hello and it takes four woody to go to new zealand. How lon- is take an opinion a look conclusion of story great player. We may occur weird under us. We may underestimate that like he kinda sucks to deal with well. He certainly had trouble dealing with a team. That is an organization that everybody seems to love for the most part. Then you say the team. Usa steph and it's like popovich poverty is always want to play for the sky and clouds. The one guy who just for whatever is in it rent completely sideways. He's the one. It's one of the most surprising awol moments in like team sports modern history. It is because when that stuff. I remember the first time i heard like we kurai like nocco is a spur is a spur for life hatred. And i'm not even. I'm not criticizing him for that. He everything he did for toronto. Good for him. It's awesome like i've just i don't understand. The lack of communication is the reason. We're saying this. Is we love alive. Listen this podcast and we came on after some those raptors games the two thousand nineteen like i think he's one thirty best players of all time but asked think he's had a really weird career. And if you look at the other guys like you know. I have my list. I have them twenty eighth right now. The other guys. That list are all really reliable. Guys pippen wade as asia or saw cousy. Well chris. Paul is still in that thirty spots depending on what happens in this phoenix series Barkley malone garnett. Bob pettit these guys reliable boulevard and i think hawaii is the one of this whole in that whole group where it's just like i don't know what we're getting from this guy pretty strange team. Usa you famously. Don't care about international basketball. Which is 'cause you'll watch juku kids on youtube for like six straight hours but not in a game with a forty one. Year-old luis scola doesn't step speaker interest. I don't know why it happened but it just. It doesn't do much for me. It might be because the hall of fame. I've always brought up the quicker. You have to tell me won a gold medal. The worst case for being a hall of famer is If it's like the second thing somebody says about your player.
First Things First
"bob pettit" Discussed on First Things First
"His championship by getting to the finals. Like i don't feel like whenever we we hang around we hang something around guys neck like they never won. Iverson doesn't get that because it's like well. He took that sixers team to the finals. They lost to an all time. Great lakers nobody kills him for that. And so like to me. No but that's like the iverson. Go ahead wild go ahead and then we'll go ahead. I i think that gets you to a certain level but i. I don't think that's a parallel to chris paul. Like i don't think we'll we'll view that you know a lot of that is because he stepped overti- louis made an iconic moment like that didn't happen. I could argue that. Finals would be remembered less. But i feel like if iverson would lead with champion. All these other adjectives that we give him to these accolades. That would give them. What sort of fall by the wayside champion. And that's where i think would happen with this leadership stuff and like. Oh look what he did with the lowly thunder okay. I would me with chan right. That would lead with this. No doubt about it. But i actually don't think it changes his legacy that much and so my answers janas is but let me. I go to the three stuff because brandon is right about my top five point guards. Magic oscar steph. Isaiah chris paul. I already having v. He's not catching isaiah with one ring. Isaiah one to should've won three if not for a terrible foul call at the end of game six when isaiah had the iconic sprained ankle game. He's not catching them with one. Title and stepped is still playing and ahead of it. Now saw i know step in. Cb three of this odd rivalry and cb threes always felt these better than steph. Brandon's right. They play the game so differently. He's not catching steph. Either to me. He's already passed stockton. he's already passed iverson. he's already passed a i. he's already passed kid. None of those guys have titles except for kid and kin. Let's be fair was a different player when he won his title. The more impressive thing per kid was the back to back finals. He led the nets to not when he averaged seven points and six assists for the twenty eleven mavs and that's where he got his ring so that's the to me. Threes legacy by getting here is cemented and he's almost hit the ceiling of how high he can go. That is not the case for yom's so let me turn the conversation to jaanus about what it means for jaanus if they win this title guys with multiple. Mvp's and a championship. it is only eleven guys. Those eleven guys by the way have won thirty nine of the sixty six. Mvp's ever given out and those eleven guys are basically eleven of the fourteen or fifteen guys you need to tell the story of the nba. The guys would multiple league. vp's in a championship. Go like this. Bob pettit who won the first. Mvp ever given out. Was the player of the fifties bill russell and wilt chamberlain the iconic players of the sixties kareem abdul-jabbar the player of the seventies moses malone the transition guy on three mvp's in a title and a five-year run up from the seventies to eighties magic and bird the faces of the eighties michael jordan the player of the nineties. Tim duncan lebron. James steph curry to tell the entire story of the nba. You need those eleven guys. Plus shacking kobe. And it's like oh we've got it we're done. A lot of people think shock should one more. Kobe should have one more. Nbp's that is jaanus if they win. This ring adds his name to that list. It's would be a twelve person list that takes you through seventy five years of nba history. He also would have his ring younger than michael younger than lebron. He would be twenty six years old and accomplished quite literally everything. Nba player can accomplish so brandon. What i wanna ask you is. You're talking about the holes. In his game i i my ass would be. What would it matter if they win the title. Like i'm trying to think of a good cross sport com- if there's a great people would say accused smith emmitt smith. He couldn't do the game breaking runs. Berry zander's good. Okay well but he has more rushing yards or more touchdowns than anybody ever. So what does it matter if he couldn't do certain things if what he could do. He was so unstoppable. At like. if you're honest wins the title. He is just a total made man forever because because before before this run the last series we were talking about yawn his game that being good enough for them to make it to the finals and winning finals right. Yep so i'm not putting the asterik around. Because i don't believe in asterik putting asterix around a seasons and championships because guys go down because a health. It's a war of attrition when you come to professional sports and unfortunately too. Nba had a rasim injuries. But that's the reason why is because his game. We have already said that his game is not good enough to win a title the with the team that he has so wild. When you look at this year and you say okay lebron james if he never went down and they were they were healthy. You got k. D. you got you got Carry and james are if they never went down with janas. Be in this situation. That's why i feel like the narrative doesn't change with with yawn but it does with. Cpi three savy three look. I believe the lakers would have won but it would have been a battle. They could've potentially won a game. Seven maybe but is changing when it comes to see through nick his now just like a lot of other people out there have moved ep three in the top five point guards of all time and now we're the narrative always a great leader. He's a great well. We were saying that the last couple years what were we saying. Oh his teammates is. He's tough he's a little too aggressive now. People are embracing his leadership style now. Pre people are appreciating him. In the postseason. So i i'm going with. Cpi three because the narrative is changing. Yeah well if three wins the finals he gets to take an eraser to all those three one leads that he blew weather for his injury or bad performance. Like he gets to a race. That in like legacy. I think that stuff falls by the wayside. Nick here's the other thing that i think it doesn't speak to your graphic but i think it speaks to the your larger point. If chris wins this title he also puts a moat between him in stockton. Because i think people are gonna look at the numbers and be like well. Stockton went two more finals. Doctrine was always constantly. Their doctrine has the assist numbers. But if you get the ring you start to build a moat. It's like you can always in. Because i know you love it. I know you are count. The rings guy. The person with the most rings is the better player so if one guy has one more than the other guy i think there's a nice boat between the stockton three well and by the way i and i said this brandon off the air the my top five point guard list is not the consensus one..
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"bob pettit" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"What is moses doing this series. Well he puts up twenty seven and fifteen every night plays forty five point six minutes a game. Nobody else on his team that You even say it was an all star robert. Read calvin murphy. Billy paul's tom henderson. Bill willoughby out level at the immortal. Mike dunleavy the kings have read. King weltman grunfeld lacy phil. Ford comes back. But he's hurt. Birdsong plays a game but he's hurt john lambert neon douglas. Here's the thing. Even this game had more stars than the game. We saw today. Because moses was one of the top top players of all time in moses five-year run here from seventy nine eighty three. He's the best player in the league. It's it's kinda him in korean. But moses probably the totality what moses does over those five years is probably better than cream. it's their one eight. One be in some way and then korean. And then moses really from eighty one. This is the first year eighty two eighty three for that three run. He's the best part like so even that year with two under five hundred teams. At least we had an a list or at least we had moses. Keep going back to the seventies. There's nothing i mean there's a really weird celtics cavaliers seventy six where they a cavs team that had no stars they. They almost get the celts. But you know the side havlicek and cowan's jo jo wait Charlie scott like they haven't checked in calendar abject like fifteenth or sixteenth. all time So anyway my point. I cannot believe that this was the conference finals today. I can't believe first of all the lack of drama. you knew. The hawks didn't have it from when it was ten to Eat is new. The walk is winning. I don't know what's going to happening am six In phoenix sitting there phoenix's now must two to one favorite to win the title mainly because they're just the healthiest so I don't know i. I feel weirdly disappointed. I love the conference finals. There's always like real drama in the conference finals. We gotta sons clipper series. That was good in this series. This bucks hawks series folic had had a chance to at least be. You know it wasn't going to be artistically. The greatest thing we ever saw but at least it had a chance to be unpredictable. Maybe get a trae young villain game all that stuff and the basketball guides. They just hate us this year. I don't know what happened. But i don't know what we did but Anyway i'd like to commemorate it with the opening of this podcast by telling you. That was the worst conference finals game of all time. I really think it was one more topic and then we're going to bring in curtis manic. So chris paul i had him in may two that. I do my pyramid every month or every six weeks or so and i move guys around you know. Try to figure stuff out chris. Paul a year ago is was forty two and my pyramid by the time we got through around one. When they got past the lakers and it became clear. They're probably going to beat the nuggets too. I moved chris. Paul up to thirty and my pyramid level three. He's the last player in level three before that it was stocked. And was the last per- now chris paul so when i wrote my book was ninetieth heading into the conference finals. I had him thirtieth. And here's what that less looks like. So here's top forty right now. Hard and forty while frazier's thirty nine jason kidd steve. Nash dave cowan's willis reed david robinson. Bill wotton rick. Perry john stockton chris. Paul then jumps to level four level for. It's a really. The differentiator is is titles and finals. So you go. Level for twenty nine scottie. Pippen twenty-eight dwayne wade twenty-seven isaiah bob. Cousy i'd quiet twenty-five we'll talk about that one second barclay twenty four k. g. twenty three carmel and twenty two bob pettit twenty-one julius erving twenty l. bill dirk nowitzki and then john havlicek as the last guy number seventeen. Well chris pas now in the finals. I'm gonna leave him at thirty. I think if he wins a title the question becomes does he get to the in my top twenty by the way. This is my list. I'm not saying this is the official list. You're probably thinking. I'm insane right now. That anyone even cares about this just tony. I put a lot of thought into this over the years. I have my list. i Really care about this. For whatever reason. And if chris paul wins the title it.
KNBR The Sports Leader
"bob pettit" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"I mean, this is going to go on forever, so this is going to be an interesting development for the sport. In the next couple of months. I don't know why they couldn't do this in spring training. Yes, I know They have a lot of other things to worry about, Like getting a season underway with Covid, but I mean to do this in middle of June. I mean, very strange. So this bears watching Michael next couple weeks, he really does. That's why it's also so important that people be focused on this right this minute because, unlike steroids, when you clean steroids out of the game, that is a very gradual process. But this is one that if they really are able to get their arms around this and I agree with you, it's a complicated thing to do. It won't go from 100 to 0 in one day, but but to overstate it or to oversimplify it, you literally could be watching one sport Wednesday and an entirely different sports Thursday. So is there any way to guess Is there any way to guest Chris? Which teams might be disproportionately impacted by this? Well, I mean, you got to go by the percentage of spin rates. So you know the Dodgers and white socks and two teams that have huge spin rate scenarios. So I think you'd have to keep an eye on that. It's funny. The Reds right now can't get anybody out with their pitching and power was on the team last year. So you wonder what sort of impact he has. Barry's got something that has something to answer to two. He's got a lot to say about our so He's got a lot to answer to. And he says, Go look at my career. I would never do this spin, right? I mean, Trevor Bauer makes it sound like Sandy Koufax. He's not Sandy Cove. I had a couple good years. All right, I guess I grant you, but last year he had to say young, but who knows? Maybe he did it. With balls all over the place. Remember? They looked at a lot of Bowers balls. Uh, the baseballs following start to shoot. He got all worked up about it. But you are right. This is going to be fascinating now to see if this increases the offense. I think you look at the big picture. So I think calls one Bowers to. I think a lot of these relief pictures. I think you look at the amount of strikeouts. You know, you and I won't have to chronicle it because it be a million people on social media and a million baseball guys who do this for a living who will do it every day, So we'll get a pretty good feel of what's going on here and not so distant future and again. I think it's funny tonight with Cole. He had a bad start against it against the Against Tampa. Let's think he got bombed. And you know it didn't pull around that day because he couldn't take the chance he gets bombed again. Tonight. People are going to start to say, Oh, no Wonder call won 25 games every year with Houston in the Yankees. He's cheating his rear end off. So a big start for him Tonight we shall see how that comes down. Comes down here this evening in Minnesota, the great Chris Mad Dog Russo with us here on ESPN Radio, and Chris, if you have another second while I have you, I wanted to ask you about one other thing. Because I'm for those who don't get a chance to listen to your radio again. Mad Dog channel there. I'm mad Dog Radio on Sirius XM every single day Chris with his thoughts on all the events around the world of sports. Um, but the Brooklyn Nets to me are really really interesting team when they just humiliated the to the guy who was at that moment, the two time defending league MVP In a game in which they won by 39 points. And it wasn't that close. And they did it without James Harden, even playing if the Nets run sort of rampage through this entire postseason and win a championship after For all intents and purposes, disregarding the regular year coming together as they have playing all the eight games together during the regular season. What will you come on the air and say the next day? It's good point. I think the first question about the NBA right now is that Ken and that's win a championship without harden because they very well might. Who knows when he's next going to Milwaukee ain't beating and that's for sure. Here's another one. Before the series started. You thought three on three Middleton Holiday and Yannis against Durant, Harden and Kyrie give the nuts the edge, but it be interesting. Now it's three on two. And if I asked you which three would you rather have the buck freer than that to you Take the net to that's how good Durant and Kyrie are. I think it's a major problem with the NBA. These players, you know, playing gang up and playing with each on the same teams. I think it hurts the parody the Nets blowing everybody out. Nobody wants to see that. I think it's a major problem. I really do not knocking Durant. You know how great it is. But he did it once before it's golden State. How about there and go to a team? It's not so good and lead him to a championship. How about doing something like that for a change? So I hate the collaboration aspect of it. It drives me crazy. I don't think the Nets are going to lose. I think the Nets are by far the best team. I know Donovan Mitchell and I know Utah shooting a million threes. I got to see Utah beat the Nets when it counts, and that's all the best team If they stay healthy unless there's another injury, they should win it all. But I think it's bad for the NBA. Michael really do I understand has been dominant teams in the past, but they were usually put together because Good designs. Good trades, not because one player said I want to play with you. You know, bird didn't play with magic. You know, Russell didn't decide to go play with Will you know Bob Pettit into Goethe didn't go to side I didn't go decided to play with Elgin better. I mean, generally speaking you on the team, and I'm not saying it's great, but you're on a team and you built that team from that point on and I don't like the idea that these guys play Because it ruins the competition level Harden, Kyrie and Durant, said Hunter. Now why go bust my rear end for one extra home game in the postseason in a regular year, We'll play a little bit well, you know, make sure we have a little feel of what's going on the season will play two thirds of the year and then we just gathered for the postseason and kill everybody. How could that be good for the NBA? Why would you spend a Fortune to see an M B and it's a fortune. Why would you spend a fortune of seeing NBA regular season game?.