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Celtics Blow 4Q Game 1 Lead to Heat, Bam Adebayo closes and Kemba Walker struggles again

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

11:48 min | 9 months ago

Celtics Blow 4Q Game 1 Lead to Heat, Bam Adebayo closes and Kemba Walker struggles again

"The Boston Celtics dropped game 1 in disappointing fashion 117 1:14 in overtime to the Miami Heat. I'm Sarah Goodwill here with Joe Swift on Jimmy Toscano and Bob Manning. The Celtics really blue multiple leads throughout this game. There are 14 at one point in the fourth quarter up 5 with just a minute and a half to go up for again and took over time what led to their lack of execution down the stretch, especially with Jayson Tatum after he played so well through the majority of this game Bobby. Well, it came down to them getting outside what we usually see them do offensively again, and we saw it in the late stretches of that Raptor series. We even saw any game seven. They didn't seal that game offensively. In fact, I didn't I don't think they had a bucket the last five minutes of that game. So I counted about ten bad possessions out of the Celtics last-16 tonight and it just even shots wage the last possession by Tatum didn't lava just a straight-up heave and you saw the lead just dwindle and dwindle away with bad possession after bad possession. And what happens when you miss a three Miami's running back in the other direction and scoring with these and we saw that to the Celtics just fed into the Heat come back way and that fourth-quarter with bad shots. And that's still the biggest question with this team. Can they seal a game offensively late when they have the lead? Yeah that fourth-quarter on the on the defensive side of things on the defensive side of things too. I mean, Miami Heat made itself. It's very uncomfortable whether it was finally come back down low where you off Supposed to be caught in the switch with Jimmy Butler, you know, that was a big play that I thought sort of boosted the momentum obviously the verdict Corners as well offensively, but from a defensive standpoint, I mean Jayla Browne got blocked at The Rim by benjah, you know, obviously I'm had a bigger block down the stretch as well. But like those sort of plays really get this team going and they build on that they build momentum off of that. There's a team that can erase nine or ten point deficit within a couple minutes as we clearly saw they're able to erase a 14-point deficit in the fourth quarter is a very very dangerous team the Celtics and I wouldn't be surprised they do this again in the fourth quarter. I would be a little surprised. But again, I think this is the type of Team where the Celtics no leaders say for the Celtics and we saw that in the first quarter. And again, we saw it in the fort and it felt like they hate were playing more team ball and the Celtics are playing more heroic efforts towards the end. Right? I mean when you think about the Heat's come back, there's not really one player that stands out Above the Rest. I mean hee-ro had a couple of big shots father had a couple of big shots and then his drive and one we saw bam, you know, George This thing on both ends and you know even get into the line. I mean Jae Crowder had a great game. So the Celtics I think they started to focus too much on maybe Tatum and Kemba who are, who has been struggling mightily wage and Tatum who I don't know what got into him late in that game, but he kind of got away from what he was doing well and it just watched that lead slip away and then I hated that last those last possessions bite him and the fact that God like Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart, I mean, you can't really think of one thing those guys did down the stretch. I don't know if they're really given the opportunity you hated the shots at him. At the end of regulation end of overtime. He thought he got the looks he wanted but like you said a lot of iso ball and ball movement extremely lacking something that results were doing really effectively throughout the the majority of these play-offs and then it kind of just came to a screeching halt in that fourth-quarter what needs to change. Do you place any of the blame first of all on Brad Stevens for kind of letting that happen? Not drawing a better place down the stretch and just trusting that Jayson Tatum is going to make the right decision at the end of the game. Yeah, they had a timeout before that. They come out of time twenty two seconds and they let 22 seconds Go. I mean we saw the Raptors use point five seconds to win a game never mind 22 and to drain all of that was just insane to me thousand at the end of overtime was a good play. He beats butler off the dribble gets to the rim gets Point Blank and Bam makes a ridiculous place. So it is what it is. Yeah, no issue with this. Some of this comes down the bread and then again, they can be a little bit too, but he could be doing a little more to free him I think and you know, you make a good point Jimmy smart Brown not involved in those moments. Like if you really want to you know, throw something that the heat aren't expecting their run a play for them. Get some movement going like I don't like seeing the Celtics do things and crunch time that they don't do all game long and that seems to be what we're consistently dog. In those moments, I want to Jason fatal and this one Sierra and I'm with Brad Stevens and saying bad look that was what you do or you are you can't shy away from the big moment there. Okay, you can't be afraid to take the light on the Conference Finals. And this is a game one. We're talking about. Yeah, I didn't see the LeBron Vibes. You know, that's a good example. You'll have to be that guy, maybe don't have to be LeBron. Maybe you're not quite he's been that guy he has he has yeah. Yeah those opportunities and I like his approach. Listen, if he was, you know, pulling off of one foot, you know 3 p.m. When the game type of shot, I would hate it but he was going to the rim he did have one of those down the stretch went one-on-one. That's what you're supposed to do. You didn't get it this time. You got at least four to five more chances in the series of do again, you're the top guy on this team. You're the go-to guy. You have to get used to these situations it right now. I think that's a great opportunity for them to build off of that at the end of that game one finish off. Right to a point. I mean we've been on this show and I've said many times, you know, we want him to be that guy wants to be that guy that something needed to be that guy so we can't really get all over him when he is trying to be that guy and then it just didn't work out but I'm with Bobby in the sense where I hated that first shot where they just drilled with a clock down basically standing in half-court when you dribble it down to 4 seconds, you've now let everybody known in the entire building and on the corner. What's what's going to happen here. So I know I'm not going to sit here and criticize Brad Stevens for that means as much smarter basketball mind than I am but I was feeling that he could probably get a little bit more creative, you know out of timeouts that and not you know, more fact to the early 2000s when that was kind of like what Paul Peirce did like game after game after game and we won't talk to both those two years and John said it post-game don't even get to that point. You're at 5:14 close with good. Yeah throughout the fall. I didn't do that either you gotta you gotta be better closing out that game for me. That's the thing. You don't want to see Channel message. Well, don't put yourself in that situation close the game mousetrap. You got a 14 this is not the first time they've struggled with that. They've just they've come out on the wrong end like they did tonight but they've also gotten away with it a couple of times here in the playoffs as well. But for all of our thoughts are Celtics playoff coverage, you can find it on our website at the LMS you need, and on our YouTube channel at South it's all access. The garden report is brought to you by carshield car Sheila America phone number one Auto protection company for as low as $99 a month. You can protect yourself from surprises and save thousands for a covered repair call eight hundred car six thousand and mention code beat or visit carshield.com and use code beat to save 10% That's carshield.com. Kemba Walker struggled again in game one box in the Celtics and Miami Heat. I'm Sarah good well here with Jose Cuervo and Jimmy Toscano and Bobby Manning. He finished with 19 points, but a very inefficient 6 of 19 from the fog. He was a -4 rating. Nothing was working. He could not find a rhythm. Obviously, he made a couple of setbacks at the end of the game. So he's slightly redeemed himself, but not what you walk out of your All Star point guard. What is going on? Is it mental for, just because he's never been here before or what do you blame his inefficiency on? I give a huge amount of credit to Bam adebayo because that guy defends the pick-and-roll unlike anybody else in the league for centers and we've come so far from that Philadelphia stage where Joel embiid's they basically sent into the basket line Campbell shoot to just this massive Force being in Kemba space around the screens and going back last four games of the Toronto series off and into this game one Kemba shooting 15% from 3. He's just not getting those looks around the screen gotta go in between. He's already not a finisher. He's made one three-pointer in the last in every game in the last five games just one. Yeah, and so his bread-and-butter all Year's been dancing around that screen again and opened look and I like it's not going to let you do that with one of these days man. I'm gonna get the tape find out man High School swimming and all right. Anyways see Emma Walker he's going through it again because the Toronto Raptors exposed them guys. You talked about this at the game seven like the he's the weakest link. He's got a Target on his back. And when I say defensively you can put this through through a wall after wall and all that energy that he spending trying to keep up with this, you know, the guy he's defending by the time you get the ball in his hands and he's dribbling out a shot-clock, you know twenty or nineteen seconds. I have the shot clock the guys exhausted and that's why he's checking up shots off. And on the fourth quarter. I give a lot of credit though. He's he change his approach. He was getting to the free-throw line. He had obviously that big shot down the stretch where the Miami Heat and don't hit the big 3-pointer and the front for overtime everyone off Kemba Walker saves the day or at least come and Walker can still hit a big shot when he dies cold. I think that's what's really tricky about. Kemba is often because we've seen him do that before we can go to 4:10 throughout the first half and then just hit it, you know two or three shots in a row down the stretch and listen. I think you're going to see that throughout this series in the better games that you see from Kemba Walker you're going to see more of that as opposed to a full-out birth. Point performance domination game out of Campbell in this series, but that doesn't necessarily mean the subjects need him to do that to win this series, but he's going to be going through it for a while. I mean the camera the struggling can buy that you're seeing right now. He's not the camera that Celtics fans have grown to know the season. It's certainly not the Kemba that Yukon fans know and that Bobcat / orange fans now, I mean this guy has exactly I mean this guy has made a name for himself a reason and he's looking he's a he's an MBA star that's going through a bit of a slump right now and I think he is working extremely hard on defense and then maybe that's tiring him out a little bit on offense and maybe he is thinking a little too much out there because he's starting to feel like, you know, okay, like the pressure's really on now like this. Is it the Eastern Conference Finals, but is he up to the task in my opinion? Absolutely. I mean, this is a guy that Celtics brought in to complement the players that they had on this team and I think Kevin needs to find other ways to be effective and they that's shots going to fall right? I think it's getting to the line is important working on that mid drain that drive and then that step back still working off. Three-pointers just not there right now at some point. It's going to fall but he's going to find other ways to get guys involved and and get that plus minus up without having to score twenty five points feeling pretty strong about. Why would you like to choose come back the Difference Maker in the series? Because it's yeah bad right in playing like this. They're not going to outlast the heat in this series in advance to the finals. But if you can turn around back there three points away without their All-Star point guard playing to any even a fraction of the level that they need him to play. I think God they got some significant contributions out of Brad Wanamaker who really picked up his ass jaded smart. His best game of the postseason for sure. Absolutely. Well for all the rest of our Celtics contact, you can find it on our website at Sealand SVT. And don't forget to subscribe to my YouTube channel at Celtics All Access

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Celtics Trade for Evan Fournier, Dump Daniel Theis

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

2:03:51 hr | 2 months ago

Celtics Trade for Evan Fournier, Dump Daniel Theis

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So it made a movie single move and one that was expected to be maybe the first Domino to fall which would have been Evan Fournier coming to the Celtics. It is now 2:00. There's an hour till the NBA trade deadline. The Celtics are everything is as quiet as it can possibly be I haven't heard the Celtics mentioned in anything in a long time jobs reports. We got were that maybe they could be looking to trade big cuz some teams were interested you're hearing nothing on names like Lonzo. Nothing on names like John Collins at all. No buzz at all. And so right now it is really trending towards to sell. It looks like the Celtics might be done and if that's the case, we'll have to judge this move on its own Merit as the only thing that they're going to do this year, which I know is not going to Thrill a lot of fans. I think all three of us actually don't think it's a bad job. When we do think it makes them better now. So Bobby you're you know, you know, you were the most vocal we were talking about it earlier just break break down what the Celtics are getting it for Nia? Well, you're getting a couple of different things. You're getting a shooter first and foremost is a rock-solid suit shooter some nights. Great. I can get to the basket a little bit might be able to generate a few more free throws for years and can be a secondary ball-handler off and Jayson Tatum off a Jaylen Brown. This is a guy that has generated five free throws a game with Orlando this year on the ball and he's going to be shooting wide open shots. I mean, he's been a guy that has been keyed in all year with the magic as one of their top options and he's still shooting 39% defense. There's ups and downs with him. I know Goodman tweeted out that he had a source rate him as a good Defender. I think that's fair and I think what's important to consider to is the magic or one of the worst teams in the League this year, but when 48 on the court, there are net even which would indicate that they're getting by on both ends of the floor with him better than they have been, you know into any other options out there this year. He's a really good fit in this offense. He can work on the ball off the ball. He's 20 Eight. And as I said earlier, I think that some real sense that the Celtics can either move him during the off-season effectively or keep him here long-term, which I think both would be good options ultimately home and he's six seven which I don't think a lot of people realize too this real size here and Jimmy, I want your tickets want to add something to Bobby six seven. I don't know if he starts right out of the gate because they have no time to practice and chemistry is not an issue. But this is a natural fit in the starting lineup with the two J's Kemba Walker in a big depending on who's left on the roster when this is all said and done but presumably Tice if he doesn't get moved and that's much better lineup than what they're doing. And at this point it looks like Marcus Smart is staying at least through the through this season. So now you have him in your second unit along with who the hell knows what else is really going to go through obviously at this point, but Fournier obviously adds that deputies also very good on handoffs and pick-and-roll. So there are different things that he can do he can score on all three levels. I think that's important phone number. Steam 19 points a game in Orlando for this team is really more of a fourth option. So I think this is a guy you can count on for thirteen fourteen points a night which again we're talking about and we talked about a Jimmy. This is this game versus for in terms of this season improvements. It's 48 minutes versus semi ojeleye minutes and it's not really really close at all in terms of offensive production. So I just Jimmy your thoughts on on fornia. Yeah, so you can look at it in a few different ways, right? So in a vacuum, this is a great trade. I mean you gave up two second-round picks essentially nothing in terms of you know assets and you brought in a player who is a starter is averaging, you know around twenty points a game whether or not you have just that in Boston. He's a proven scorer proven Veteran by all accounts g a good personality. I don't want to say as a locker room because I don't know that but I'm assuming that he is based on what I've read and what I've seen other people say about him. I think he's underrated obviously playing in Orlando. He hasn't gotten a ton of publicity. I haven't even gotten to do my my my YouTube highlight reel yet. So I was going to ask that you get that all positive tape yet. I didn't get the positives yet. I'm working on it. There's less out there than there was for for Aaron Gordon. Obviously, you don't have some of those highly real dogs, but you're getting higher than Bobbie mentioned. I mean he can score. He's a shooter game. He's going to fit in John mentioned is going to fit in very nicely in the starting lineup as that as that, you know Wings swing Thai player. So they're going to be able to do more of a traditional line up there. I think also I just retweeted Brian Robb. Listen, they made this trade. First of all, it does make them better, right that's obvious cuz he's not a semi and he's not a jamonte bringing in all the problems guys that they decided he makes them better this year. Where it gets hairy now is okay. Danny Ainge is gone on the radio and said we're not going to trade for a player that's in the last year of his deal and that who can cash in in the offseason and we're not going to go over the cap off. What do you do with this move? Exactly both of those things? I'm very interested to see how it plays out from here. I think they do want to re-sign him. I think that's probably the whole point of this because while it does make them better, it doesn't make them off the net. It doesn't make them the box. It doesn't make them, you know, these these top-tier teams. It does make them better doesn't make them a tough out for sure. But I think that they're looking further than this year with that deal now, or you sign and trade them and create a what exactly that's what I retrieve is. Just what I read from Brian Robb. They they can trade him or another drum roll TP. Yeah, they can do that. So it is it kind of like kicking the can down the curb a little bit. Maybe it's not going to be the same number of teepees. So it's a smaller TV and therefore less Value Plus your 11 million in the, Georgia. Did you buy them though? I know that's a tricky thing you go. Like like if you got for you gotta you can't combine any of them. You do get one. You don't just lose it. I know Bobby has been screaming into the camera for the last page if they don't use it. They're just going to lose it. So now theoretically they could you got another year. Yeah, but yes now I know that's not what Celtic fans typically, you know, theoretically want and I don't think it's what we want and when you're talking about the TV, I think a lot of fans thought and we tried to tell them we did try to tell but I think a lot of fans thought they could get back this twenty-eight million dollar level player with the tpe. Well, it's not the way you're going to get somebody's we use the word junk. I'm not going to say 48 is junk but he's a better they didn't want they want an expiring they didn't want and it's almost what we were talking about Jimmy Page. The only thing we we didn't we we said was it you're going to have to give something with the TP. They really didn't have to in this case which is which is a well most of it. It was either or Jimmy something for a player like Gordon Brown. Haven't fully gotten into but you know, if you don't read the news, yeah, I'm going to break something to you in a minute, right? You need to get something for Gordon or for a player of his caliber of which would have been you thought. I mean, I guess there was talk there. If you see that what the deal was? Yes Denver gave up real things for him. So absolutely you had to give up something real or nothing nothing in the tge for something a team. Just wanted to get off its books which they did in their fine and and that was gonna gotten under those circumstances. I think the best player available for two second-round picks and verse nothing but a piece of paper. Right, so it doesn't it it it doesn't really necessarily hurt them by making the deal unless you ended up with a situation where this mega-star was available and you know the tpe that they had before they use it on Fortier would have been you know, the perfect fit for it. Now that that that's a rare circumstance that you know might not happen and that was the risk of holding on to it and doing nothing so long. I think Bob people like Bobby are very happy today because he said it would have been you know, absolutely unacceptable. If if they didn't do anything today they did in a based on what we know on the hard cap and the luxury tax on a roster spot. It sounds like and Bobby even sure you could talk about this in-depth sounds like they're not they can't be done. Right they they've got to do something to to avoid the tag two million from the hard cap right now. So there's not much else they can do they can move something out and still get a player like things out right? So that's the question. I will trade for John Collins who is only a three million-dollar salary currently right now, but you'd have to you still have to move something out and you gotta create Rouge. Our space cuz they're already over 15. So something's going to happen. I do want to add the Jimmy's thing though as we say you're doing it with nothing and then Bobby jump in here on all of the all the cap stuff. This is still you know, like we said when when Hayward left the deal became and it just keeps growing it was well Hayward is really Tristan Thompson and the tpe. So now Hayward has become Tristan Thompson and Evan Fournier four seconds, and and you gave up four seconds as well. And so 48 could in turn become something else down the road. So you're going to keep em in this can down the road. You don't really know at the end of the day and you're always going to compare that versus Myles Turner and Doug McDermott cuz you think you could have gotten them, theoretically so I don't know you can make an argument right now. This team might need a 48 more than they need a Myles Turner. So, you know in terms of going back on whether that deal should have been made, you know Turner yes was a long-term asset that you could have theoretically done something with dead. You know, maybe it always read more more valuable player. Yeah, but it is it's a different conversation, but you're right now things get a little tricky in terms of what they can do next Bobby and we do we should tell people and again cuz it's clear Aaron Gordon's gone when 48 happened you thought the next Domino was possibly Gordon Denver gave him a better package than I think what the Celtics could have come up with which is RJ Hampton wage can call that a wash with Aaron Nesmith or Romeo. It's a Young Unknown. Bobby likes him better. But you know, I think it's roughly the same. He went 24th Nesmith went 14th. Neither is doing anything at the pro level right now. So that's a projection. Gary Harris was an up-and-coming a really trending player who got a good deal whose numbers have kind of gone down since he signed up, but certainly a better young player than anything too. Selfish could have put up there in terms of ready-made NBA talent and a first-round pick that's probably five slots lower than what the Celtics are going to give you. But all in all probably a more competitive offer than what the Celtics could have given. Yeah. I was confused about that one because job And think the magic wanted a creep closer to the luxury tax and they have to I'm not sure if they're over at this point because of that trade but effectively swapping 48 out and taking hairs and is what they've done here. That works out is kind of a net even salary-wise. So I understand why they did it. The pic isn't great. It's 2025 and it's protected but RJ Hampton I think is the real deal. He hasn't played much time. That's why you haven't seen anything that from this year. But he was one of the guys who I was stunned fell in the draft as far as he did. He was a top-10 prospect coming into the year when he went out to New Zealand. He played with Prozac 18 19, which I think is always going to be a tough thing for a guy to go through at that age. So people who were sour on him over that I think oh reacted a little bit he is just phenomenal athlete Above the Rim player gets to the basket handles the ball all that stuff like this star potential there in him sure, but I mean again I am Most NBA teams don't view him as any different than the Smith at this point is a check for sure. Yeah, he's a guy who went 24th for a reason, you know, some Scouts might have thought or media-type thought he was going higher but he said he fell twenty-three teams passed on him and and he at this point has done nothing cuz he's not playing so my question is here did the Celtics get beat because Hampton got involved and a pack or did they do it? Because they refused whatsoever to include smart which kind of go either way my guess is and again, I don't know about Jimmy a few think differently. My guess is wage. In this case. They had to view Hampton as a greater asset than Nesmith and Harris is a greater asset than smart. And I think it's possible both were true though, and that smart choice it involved and this offer beat whatever Global I'm saying, even the Celtics equivalent to this would have been a first smart and Nesmith which is a fair amount to give up. And I think that this is a better offer for for for Orlando. So if that was the best and the Celtics would have had this go into two first-round picks or possibly Rob in place of Nesmith just to equal this trade-off. Now you're giving up the store. So that would have been a ton. I think if the Celtics fans today we're saying bye to Rob Williams Marcus Smart, Aaron and two first-round picks and they got Aaron Gordon in return they might be like, yeah, so was that this would be a therapy session that was the case. Maybe everyone would be lying down on the couch is right now it would be trying to talk to them and making sure that they weren't, you know going over the over the edge but yep, you're right. I think that was a better package. I think the settings at the end of the day and what we what we've been saying is they're not going to go any isn't going to go, you know, super heavy on a guy like Aaron Gordon. He's not gonna sell everything for Aaron Gordon. He's not going to make a panic move. I'm like, it's this point your trade isn't a panic. It's not a panic boot. This is you know is essentially free. Yeah, this feels like a smart, you know business decision more than anything else than you know, assuming that they can stay under the tax and I'm sure that they can figure that out. You know, I'm not worried about that but this wasn't like let's sell off, you know, smart and two firsts and you know Nesmith and solo on Langford and all this stuff. This wasn't that they can pretty much they pretty much have the same not pretty much they they do have both the same assets. They have mine is some of that tea PE to make another trade if they wanted to whether it's today or in the off-season whether they want to steal Smart in the off-season they can still do that. Maybe four year 28 makes Smart even more expense Expendable than he was, you know yesterday. I think that's that's certainly the truth if their if their intention is to re-sign Fournier and deal smart and bring on maybe a another dog sort of a guard of a point guard. I know we've talked about Lonzo ball and I see him in in the comments section here and John would you know go, you know his googoogaga over Lonzo ball Jimmy Page Happened but it allows you the the options allows you the possibilities are still there's still make that happen where Bobby was like trade 7 pics 4 player acts and be done with it. And then can we bring you might have lost your mind a little bit with these seven pics? There's no nobody's giving for anything available at the damage at 7. I said I really seriously been at hundred times. You said 12 p.m. You said Versa Versa, which was three and he only got no, I mean he said for I think he even said I said I can we now see that nobody does that and like two pics is usually the mileage unless you're going for a superstar player and it's three teams just don't do that. You're not trading you're not trading first-round picks six years into the future. It's just six and eight years into the future just not What teams do it seems do do it when they really want a guy cuz that might want to go Thunder might be able to do it now. So that's why I was asking about yesterday do the Celtics really want Gordon. It seems like they didn't they were willing to take them for the right price dead. I said it's what I mean. Look Bobby. I think I've been saying this from the get-go in this sport or any sport again a good general manager sets a price change if if if you believe that peace is going to get you over a hump and possibly get you a title you overpay by 10 20% if you need to and that's what happens at the deadline. It's always an overspend. But Danny Ainge is building for the future right now. And again, you set your price you set your value and you don't go bananas if he ended up saying I got to have Gordon at all costs and like we said gave away multiple first Sandburg Williams in this deal. I think he loses the deal and I think Celtics fans are pissed as a result of it. So again, that's the whole point of drawing that line is this is what it's worth to me. It may be okay, but if push comes to shove and we're closed at the door, that's where UK. Okay, I'll give in on this last demand if that's what it's going to take. But again, it's just to see the match this deal. I don't think they could get their own their home. Let's wait and see what they ultimately do to finish all this out. But this goes back to what I've talked about the cost of not doing something because does Thompson ultimately cost the first round pick to bejo ABI see the Baseline here was going to be a first-round pick. So if it was two pics and you're able to get Thompson off in a deal like this, that's what you would be doing anyway, and then you talk about smarts value it smarts valve or higher today than it's going to be over the offseason. It's certainly possible. So by doing this you have to pay more to dump Thompson late or by not doing this. Do you have to pay more to dump Thompson Lane fear lest smart, do these assets start to expire a little bit this even a little bit of talk at ice today. I told you guys over and over again the time the deal Tice as high-value guy and it would be now and it seems like teams would be sit around the lead and I'd rather keep him than Thompson, but if you can trade both and get some other good stuff in here the roster spots. It's a creative way to do it. I still wonder and Hollinger has been speculating this now he's Is athletic peace, how do you get out of that tax? Because the Celtics r36 over now by my estimation and how do you clear a roster spot for him? He seems to think it's green but green makes what a million bucks. So that doesn't clear you the tax know but you're right and you know, it might be Teague also, and I don't know if that gets you there is pretty close off things going on in around seeing that the Raptors traded Matt Thomas to the Jazz for a future second-round pick their trying to obviously unload not on low, but they're trying to get rid of lowry. So all they do is say yes on Rondo close to the clips right now drawn, uh-huh. Rondo close to moving to the Clippers right now. That's that's something I've seen you want to do that in the off-season Mackenzie done. That would be a good move for them. So that's it. But again, it's we are 40 minutes out and I can't tell you the last thing that mentioned the Celtics here. It is quiet and it's quiet for a reason birth. That I think they might be done and I do think that people and again I see it in the comments right now is a little bit of frustration in terms of hoping for some sort of magic move, you know doesn't look like it's coming. There's no magic move coming but they they have stuff to sort out here. There's something that at least is going to be worth talking about coming here. They've got I mean again they they do I mean who is most likely to be off the team but they obviously have to make a roster move. I said earlier to John I think Thompson's gone by 3. I think they're trying like hell I think again I hate to go back and like, you know, try to claim a victory on it. But like the Thompson signing is you don't you don't hate to go back know. I mean look the this the guarantee for an apology came at 3:58 know. Yeah, this would be the earliest apology came over the problem with the Thompson signing is you know, that tpe is the reason you're hard capped right now and it really messes with your flexibility a little bit and what you can do, It's a reason why they can't use the full twenty eight million of the of the trade exception right now. And as Bobby mentioned, they got to find a way to dump him or else they're going to have to pay teams for him the same way they did with Cantor josu. You're just keep moving assets out to get rid of stuff so you can clear money and at the end of the day and again, this is what I didn't understand what Thompson I'm not judging just his play this year's Even as advertised if he were close to what people thought they were getting and let's say he's only 10% worse 15% worse than what we thought. I just never understood it as a need at all. And so I never really understood the signing and I didn't think it would move the needle but now when you see the tech and I hate that term but I just didn't think it would change their fortunes very much. But now that you see the tax implications as well. I think that that makes it may even worse in this in this sense because they are they're up against it right now. They cannot they can't use the full value of this of this situation of this of this tpe right now. Yeah, they thought Thompson would make them really good as a team. Yeah. I thought they had potential to be the number one defense with him. And for some reason whether it was regression, whether it was apathy on his part a feeling that he just took a Costa this regular season and give it as all in the playoffs or whatever his mind set was because obviously there's talk of his mind set and commitment and all this different stuff going on this week. There's something up there it smells from opening song. When he got torched then and like the next 10 games, it was indeed scoring seventy in that two-game Series against them but like all of them, I think they're I think the rat had every shot against the months, which is the second night. Then he goes down with covid-19 and it's like what's going on here with him something's up there. I don't know if the KOC stuff that he talked about is the culprit here. He has just had his in a different place. Maybe the walk out and all this other stuff there capping on that one. Is that right now, but it's it's the real deal Tom Sawyer. I think offensively has been what you've expected but defensively has been as bad as you could possibly imagine. I think he's one of the biggest reasons they've been a worse defensive team this year. Let's quickly reset the table four people. Here's a lot of questions in the chat about what can be done still and so again Bobbie as you mentioned, they are technically over the tax right now, but they're also to point maybe a little over two million or two off. Half million from the hard cap, which means any moves that they make they have to find a way to move some money out right now. So that really limits what they can do unless they move a player like Thompson or it's a bigger deal involving someone like Marcus Smart and sure they can move small salaries out to create something now what's realistic and what type of people fit into that thing? Well, I mean Lonzo ball again, theoretically could work. He's a six million dollar salary at this point. You'd have to move some money out John Collins only making two and half or three million dollars. I think this year. So again, theoretically those names which are big names that people have thrown around them are still possible, but I don't think it's likely because it doesn't seem like either team is really interesting. The only reason I bring up onto a get Alonzo again is as soon as Chicago Chicago makes the trade for vucevic early in the day, which was surprising and immediately everyone starts talking about now. They gotta go get Lonzo which makes me think huh alonso's for sale. So if he is dead, And you could move smart and a couple of and a pick out there for lawns. Oh, that's something I would strongly considered. Yeah, but what entices the Pelicans you know, like, you know that you might not want to invest in him next year. It's it's an s or get off the pot situation. Like I'm not going to pay him. Maybe something else will but he's not going to be my guy because right now I know I've got Zion and Ingram it's my two but they consign they can sign in Freedom. If you log in Lonzo, that's your three and you have these three and they're all dead and two of them are playing exceptionally well and you're losing so what would you what would you stretch to hear? If you really want Lonzo we get back to that how far are you on the go cuz I don't think a smart ball gets it done. I'm saying smart after the 1st Smart in the first and Nesmith. Are you in the conversation? Probably not you don't think so. I think there's I think this value to them unless phone away. So say two or three first, I think there's I don't know. There you go again three first for Lonzo ball with smart, but what do you do for you? Come to the table when you hear one Ferris, it's probably not. Going to be that good as you guys keep saying you hear smart. These free is probably worse than ball. Like are you excited to go do that? You're going to take the possibility of maybe get keeping them for a bargain. This office is in or sign and trading in somewhere else into the offseason. And I know that there's a there's a little bit of urgency with moving him since he is expiring deal. But since you have restricted rights on him that does give you any way to wait. I just I think you are I gotta warn everybody at home. When Bobby proposes a trade take take the amount of first-round draft picks you includes in them and cut them in half. Okay, Yeah. Well do 1 and 1/2. Okay, and then that's closer to the real number. Okay. Just nobody be shared by letting saying all right. So this is my this is my run. I thinking here either one first public and say no to First. Well think about it three gets it done. That's like done if you really want them no matter what it gets it done. Now in that case I'd be saying so I mean you you can't you can't be depressed. What if what if it's three first send camber keys to stop everyone. Just take a time out for em, and you know more first for you. Okay, if if I could just going to be trading word. You don't get to say first for the seriousness. So on that I do listen to an interesting conversation with Bobby Mark mode that they were doing the other night on Twitter and they were talking about that Trend which is real certain teams in the league have gone nuts with Ferris and driven up that price some teams like the same thoughts aren't falling into that trap for maybe good reason probably good reason cuz Bobby marks is on ESPN because he did that instead of being the next GM so they there's a huge risk to do it. But if you want to go all in and really get a guy that's how you do it. That's how the Bucks got holiday the Nets real hard. There's certain players you do it for in certain players. You don't as much as we wash To see the Celtics make a move for Lonzo ball. I mean you gotta know again. You gotta know when enough is enough. You got you got to have you have a worth set. Yeah. No right guy or on paper like Daniel. She does these players same reason. He didn't give you know, two or three for Aaron Gordon, you know, I mean, yeah, it might make your team better. But at what cost you're not trying to take one step forward and two step backwards and mortgage your future for Lonzo ball age. I mean we like we like Lonzo ball. We think that he would have a good fit on the team but you still just because he fits what you have going on doesn't mean you pay, you know, yeah 30% more than what anyone else would get rid of. Yeah, the tricky thing now especially with this year's first if we're just taking it down the one first-rounder that needs to go for any it makes this team a little bit better the back 2018 20th, something like that in the draft 2016 even as great if they get back to where they were last year. So all of a sudden then you're saying if you just hold on to this pick or multiple pics down the log. It becomes another nice Mythic Rebecca. And I know John you can steal a guy in the twenties. They just did it with Pritchard, but you're probably not getting Kawaii wage like outside of once every fifteen years and those spots so you're not giving someone just to the comment. You're not giving a James Harden package for Lonzo Ball. But again just norland's may just have him in his plan. They're playing that's it. By the way guys were rocking with twelve hundred plus people in the Stream. Keep it come and tell your friends. We're here through 3 and then beyond we're almost at the halfway point here. It's 2:30 right now. We got 30 minutes till the deadline on Daniel resetting John. You said since it's quiet you feel like the Celtics are doing nothing. I feel like it's the opposite. I don't think it means that I think it means things are getting busy. You know, I just feel by now. And again, it's Bobby. It's at the Celtics can't keep things under under wraps. Its that teams as soon as somebody gets involved in something it's dead. Their benefits a leak it in order to get other teams to up the price. So if Boston were closed on something right now, it would make sense within the organization on the other side to kind of sneak a peek out there like Boston making a hard push for Lonzo and then wake up Chicago or someone else and have them come to the table. Not the way they pick up the phone and do that. But yeah, he's got it rahne do rahne do fir. Lou Williams done Jimmy what that wasn't what I'm going to say. But I was I did see that I was wondering Bobby's opinion on Boost of it the deal that they ended up ultimately accepting to Chicago. I mean is that deal that you think the Celtics could have your question? Yeah, so it seemed like great right? Well when we first discussed this earlier jaw, and it seems like Gordon and off for Nia together. We're going to be an option. So now that it's for near or vucurevich. It becomes a lot more enticing like it's 17 million vs. 22 millions of the money's not that far off. I know it's 2 seconds, which is essentially nothing. But if you could go off the length that Chicago did two first-round picks, I don't think anybody would have had any issues with that. I've I've said go as far as 3/4 bucevic. So I think that's an easy second-guess. I think if you're using up most of the TP on fornia, and there's nothing left there, that's the direction. They probably should have gone. The question is which we get back to would you give up Rob for it which Rob seems to be the equivalent of a little Carter Road probably has more potential than Wendell Carter at this point. I think I'm stunned Orlando Tucker and he just doesn't seem to have the outside the right people. I think he does. Yeah, you know, a lot of people ask me he wasn't that tells me that Rob wasn't available that tells me that they think pretty highly of Rob because you can't tell me that they wouldn't have accepted a package from the Celtics that including Rob if that's what they accepted wage. Chicago who knows something stands Jimmy obviously, you know Celtics fans tend to overvalue their assets. I think Rob is in one of those cases where I think they're valuing him like accordingly a like appropriately. I think they really view him as a piece at this point and I think they feel they lucked into it and I think giving it away now. Yeah, and here's the problem I had with giving it away. I know but I'm saying and then yeah, now on something where you're like, wow, like look, I mean what if we talked about that this team needed to do more than anything is hit on a few pics right? And you know Bobby pointed out before where you've had Tony Allen and Ed had you know, you know Rhonda way back when and who else hit in the twenties for them. Recently Bradley Bradley was good really quite a few hits there, but I mean a whole lot of misses and not just misses in the twenties, but mrs. in the teens where you're more likely to find a player. So if you'll find someone at 27 who's a core piece moving forward, you gotta think like that's pretty freaking good and that Thursday, Tones for a misfire on a Romeo or Annie Smith or something because you know, it's an inexact science at this point and honestly, you could jumble everything up from pick 15 to 25 or even forty sometimes. Yeah, I don't know what you know because especially to some degree is kicking the can down the road a little bit helps you now, I'm glad they did it but in terms of consolidating assets and bringing in a real player moves the needle here it doesn't do too much to add toward that direction. I know you can trade for Nia later but his value this offseason is going to be so much less than Gordon's potentially could have been as the next asset toward the next month. So they haven't done much in terms of position themselves so that next deal and if that next deal was on the table here RAV4 bucevic, you probably have to think about doing that especially for how long he's done. He's an All-Star Center. He's a stretch big he fits exactly what the NBA is looks for and what the Celtics look for in a big. Yeah. I mean it it tells me that they they wage. Really value Rob or why the magic wouldn't be interested in. Is there any chance John's they look at Carter and say we like him more than possible. Yep, that's really wage. They are a window. That's got them where they are. Yeah. I mean look, I mean, I'm just assuming maybe both things are true. A lot of people here mentioning Lauri markkanen now than it was a word that because he's going to be restricted in the off-season that it might be tough for Chicago to keep him and that therefore they might be interested in moving him people suggested. Look it's a big for who can shoot and certainly that would be something that would work for the Celtics. He's making twenty million dollars folks. So in order to twenty million right now in order to do this you have to You you gotta throw some stuff in there to make pretty good. Yeah, definitely expected. Yeah. So let me put this in perspective if Aaron Gordon's poor poor man's life Griffin and Wendell Carter is Poor Poor Man's Al Horford. There is a sentiment that marketing is like a poor poor poor man's version of Christianity youngest broke man wage. So that's what you're getting here is having a better year than I expected and he's twenty-three. He's had a bad coach for most of his career there in Chicago and now he's having a leap under the new one Billy. And so I'm not adverse to any idea but I do think people need a tamper their expectations of what this guy is. He's not going to come in here and be Dirk Nowitzki. There's there's something that has to be worked out with his boss offensively. He comes and goes he's a little injury-prone spacing and shooting, you know like this, you know, You know what imagine imagine a lineup where you could have theoretically him and Fournier and Tatum & Brown on the cord at the same time and go small ball there. You know, it's smart for him. Well would have to at this point. Honestly, it would be smart and Tristan at this point right just to make the money work. So yeah, and then they'd have to send back something to yeah, but I don't know how you make this worth what he costs right now. So it's a tough one. People are talking about it. I don't know what it would take. Telefono. I mean if you have you watched his all good take it sounds like it's know. It sounds like the juice isn't worth the squeeze there that player I would say, you know, we're going to just wait on that page to wait on you know, so I don't love the player but it's up for that. I love the thinking John's doing here a guy who is extremely cheap to acquire now who you can keep long-term on a zagat-rated free-agent deal develop and the Air corps rotation guy into the future. They have to still twenty million dollar play guys. I'm sorry. I messed that up completely messed it up completely. I totally my fault. I just made a quick flash at it. He's restricted. He could be a 20 million other play in the off-season. He's only as he's a million now. Yes, six million dollar player now, so you're right. It would work for college right now my my bad on that. That's what he's going to cost them. No. No, but I mean when it comes to smart, like what would they want to Value? Cuz they obviously don't want Thompson and they want something for this guy off. I think they're just giving them up right now. And this is another guy that could be brought in this offseason from their perspective. We're thinking from a selfish standpoint with this really done know. Yeah, you get off now. It's not going to work in the offseason. These teams can wait, they can do sign-and-trades they can do other stuff in the offseason. So you have to entice them now with real stuff. So is that Langford and Nesmith is that most of the first round picks anything that's going to be worth doing right now is going to be a little bit expensive and this is what we talked about in season trades versus off-season trades. Yes and Seasons more expensive, but the Celtics don't have a great deal of flexibility this offseason or Targets in mind. Who you guys even thinking about for the Aussies anyone keeps saying all offseason. Don't talk to me about the off-season, right? Yeah. I have no idea. There's not a lot one deadline at 1 deadline at a time. There's not a long look I think the name you keep hearing is Collins and I don't know how you make that work. Jaylen Brown. You get a Max, huh? What Bobby? He said Jaylen Brown and he was finished with his final words hitting the brown know you don't do Jaylen Brown Fort Collins know and again, I think I think it's the right time. I don't think the Collins thing matches and what it's going to cause me comes down to you know, you're gonna have to give them a Mac on top of it. Also really? It's a steep price to pay Bob you okay over there man dead, but here's the thing is if it were Collins, there's no reason to not do it. I guess Atlanta just can't do it now because they're in the hunt. So there's nothing you can do. I guess that's the problem. It's time to do Mars have to hold on something. They don't necessarily know. You want to re-sign they're they're going to be in a tough spot. This offseason does a disconnect between Boston's agency and those teams are agencies. Boston has to do all the stuff. Now those teams can wait and those things hold the hold the button on that. So we're Williams goes. Is he going straight to Magic City for those winnings or is he going to report? What a great move for him? Yeah. That's a huge move for him. Yeah, what's up? John? Nothing Jessica Walter from Arrested Development just passed away the boss triarc. Anyway, it was my Lou Williams joke. We got 20 minutes here. If if something big is going to happen here for the Celtics. It's going to have to be that 2015 style Isaiah like 5 minutes ago Mad Dash get it to the fax machine is how it always goes. I mean, there's been there's been years where the the teams sucks request an extension on the deadline because they're in the middle of you know, finalizing and working out the details of a deal we've seen that numerous times where the deal won't even get announced was perky very clean 15. What way back when wasn't that one very close to the Perkins deal? Oh for Jeff Green. Yeah there yeah, there was a deadline, you know right off right up against it from what I can recall. Yeah has anyone, you know would be good to get Perkins on one of these shows one day to be asked him what that what that whole. I'm sure he's talked about it maybe but I haven't heard her didn't really mention it recently. Just what that whole experience was like and you know, I guess the vibe we all know the team crying. Yeah, the team was just an Agony The first-hand Experience there, but that would I mean that would be dangerous most smartfinder and wonder if that type of trade would would do that to the locker room. So I don't think so. Are you guys not even half a smile apoplectic Celtics fans are now and again, I'll ask you guys in the chat and most of you are all sharing it on your own if this is all the Celtics do with this deadline short of moving out a small piece for you know, let's say they traded something they don't need just for money purposes. But if this is the only place Are the Celtics get back is everybody here really bummed cuz it seems like it and I'm not I would have liked something bold, especially if they could have gotten a piece for the future, but that makes them better today. I don't think there's any question about it right now. People are pretty pretty down. Let me ask you this and ask the viewers as well. Would you have rather done forty eight thousand two seconds or Gordon for smart straight up. Which makes you better as a team right now? Which makes you better as a team right now, I think it's the fornia move because you're not giving up anything. Yeah, that's an easy one. Right? So that's how people have to think about. That's how we think of it too as you gave up nothing in your better today versus giving up a lot of stuff. That's the whole thing is yesterday. I felt like Celtics Twitter was split on whether they even wanted to give up smart for Gordon, you know, and if that's what it would have taken smart a first possibly a young player for for 444 Gordon and it didn't happen. That was a deal that I think I mean not just Celtics fans but and a lot of NBA insiders were like, I don't know if that makes you better if your boss said it was uncertain I was in favor of it but not so much so that not making it happen is a is devastating. So I'm surprised people are are are that bummed out? You know, I think there's a lot of people out there who and they're not wrong. It's just how they they're not wrong at all. They might be right. There's a lot of people out there that are tired of this product and they want to see a change and sometimes Just you know, you just dive in you make the change and you hope that you know one little change leads to bigger changes and so on and so forth. I think that by by trading smart and game warden, you're obviously losing talent, but your also gaining Talent. So that's different than just bringing on a guy like 48 without giving up anything now he bring it on a guy like Gordon you have him for next year off you you consider him a tradeable asset to in the same way. I guess that smart would because they're similar in you know the cap in there, you know, probably similar value overall and then you you should get a player who has had a you know, a lot of Great Moments in Boston, but he was also driven a lot of people a lot of fans crazy. I mean, let's be no, right. So there's there's there's reasons for the way fans wage are are thinking the way they are now, but just to just to trade just to be like, oh I want to make a trade because you know, I want to get rid of Smart. Well, you gotta be careful on on what you're getting in return and what you really dead. Before moreover Jimmy. I think the key here is 48 improves you today and if it works in the future great and if it doesn't okay, but you gave away as we said nothing at this point and fifty p is there are people on the chat right now who are bummed that because they wanted to blow it up brought teams who blow up and rebuild don't do it at the deadline. You took in the off-season? Okay, it's not some unless you are sell sell sell can imagine the Celtics are not in cell if you want to read tool. That's something that gets worked out typically in the off-season when draft slots are determined and when you figure out what's going to happen in free agency and needs are very clear and you have the whole slate of NBA teams to work with you don't do franchise altering deals, unless you are selling it all at the dead life. And that's not what the Celtics were going to do. They're trying to they're trying to change up on the fly. It makes much more sense to do that in the offseason. So I think being disappointed that they didn't completely rehaul and retool the entire franchise dead. I think was unrealistic. I think they probably evaluate everything and at this point to 45 this I don't think without any Whispers Thompson's going anyway, so this is probably their team that's going to give up whatever and find a way to make the tax work by the end of the year. It's going to be tricky. I don't know why they're going to pay tax in the situation. It's confusing but I'm sure they have a way to make that work. My thing is this gives the team a chance and that's all I wanted their depth issues gone. They're going to have a fifth guy who makes sense in every line up here. They're going to be able to condense this rotation and off just to bring it back to Thompson if he's going to stick around if you have a playoff rotation where any given match up let's say it's banned for the Miami where Thompson work pretty good. I'd say it's Rob against Milwaukee who are pretty good yesterday. That might be his match up tyse obviously works in quite a few matchups. You have a pretty complete team here matchup wise if they're all hitting their stride if they're all healthy to just compete wage. P in the Bios get yourself to a better seed now quiet down some of the I think uncertainty and issues that have been around the team in recent weeks and really going to hot streak and just give it your best shot this year. And then as you say address things in the offseason, I mean blood streaked or not. Here's what this trade does. This is this is another whether or not this was the intention or not. I think this month is going to show a lot of Celtics fans and show a lot of people in this organization. Okay? Here's your here's your extra guy that you've all been asking for or not fans, but you know assume some of the places baggage or just in the way. Yeah. So here he is. This is what you know, this is we're going to find out now what you guys are made of if you really are one player away from from meeting expectations going into the season change from being that really tough team that we've seen in flashes. If you're not then we know now we know and now we can we can adjust accordingly in the off-season when we still have all of our dog That then we still have all of our you know tradable contracts if there are even are that many but you got your first round picks and your second round picks, whatever your tpe to to an extent. You still have some of that so I brought in a player say well here you go guys. Here's your player do the best you can depending on how you what you show us will determine whether or not we're bringing this core back, you know again next season or not. If not, well you can save a smart probably and you can you know start to think about a guy like Thompson and and you know these other players whether or not they try to move Kemba if they can, you know, you'll start to see that question being asked in the off-season if you see more the same with this team with 48 Hours. Yeah, I think you know, right it's the way to look at it. Is there for the stretch run here. They're adding 14000 presumably Romeo, which I know you guys don't want to hear it and to talk about him and Jeff Teague 2.0 and that's what they're coming in with for a bench unit. So we'll go on this song. Then we finally get 10:30 experience and that one is just getting started baby. Yeah, we haven't even experienced it yet. Yeah, I think problem. From Keith Smith purse or Celtics are still engaged in deals. Mostly looking to clear a contract. If you may need it back under the luxury-tax while opening roster spots for the buyout market. So that's kind of what we are going to start that clears. The tax is too high in your body. That was Bobby. You got me John John. I have you Bobby Jimmy you lose him. Yeah, I think you share me too. So he was saying that the soldiers I work with that contract. Yeah, one guy that I think you know, you're talking about that buyout Market. I think one guy that is might be interesting Drummond Otto Porter. I'm going Drummond. I'm not so yeah, make your Porter kit pitch. I'm just saying I think that that's possible. That's all. I think that that's going to be a buyout and that's a team that they're going to rush off the that's something they're going to rush to. So that's possible. It'd be a good defensive rotation point I'd like to have two additional Wings here versus one. But if you do have to dump Thompson in the circumstance, I know you don't love Thompson thought he was brought here to do something that still needs to be done come playoff time. And that's go up against bigger big secure the paint that kind of stuff. I am not opposed at all. Andre Drummond and I've been one of these certainly be a Range Rover Thompson. Yeah, so that's my point. But he come in here start most nights. That's why some of the huge role why no one's going to trade for Thompson, you know. So you you're going to find better things on the buyout Market why take on two years of a salary here so the Celtics have to ask this question they going to pay tax for 48 are they going to aggressively try to move off Thompson here. Perhaps not knowing if that's going to be the drum and situation is going to be saying cuz I know you don't like Thompson, but you probably don't want to go into the playoffs with just Tyson Rob right? I just don't think that it off and I think that you do and I think ultimately your building moved right back to Center not my work. I mean, I think you're going to play more small ball lineups of 48 out there too because you're going to have more size off on the court. They're the same way you did when you had Hayward, you know, so I think you can get away with it a little bit. It's just going to have a different vibe to it all together. So yeah, I think you can move out for Tristan. I think he's just he's just clunky and he and he just bogs you down. Is there any chance to Celtics are in on Kyle Lowry? I don't see how unless it's unless it's Kemba. Is there any way that happens? I don't see it just because it's never been mentioned. So the stuff that we didn't think for any alone was well, I guess we mentioned that but sometimes the stuff that's not mentioned is what actually is going on and we have nine minutes now or Depot hasn't been a wiry hasn't been moved stuff scanned interesting. I am surprised. We are here to the end of this without a whimper on some other stuff nine minutes Jimmy dead battery being in play. For the Celtics. Yeah. Now, I like bobbi's Bobby's reached the and what are we doing? Well, yeah, very possibility here. Um, I mean, it's I just saw a couple of treats that you know, the hold up in Miami is Tyler hero and then there's who is the hold up in La there was there was a well-known date after snack salaries the Harrells like mandatory kcps mandatory and then they have to decide they want to send kuzma and keep Schroeder and the two guards or do they want to trade schruder? Cuz he's up after this year. That's a tough decision for them. But I still see why rewinding with them. I think that's a no-brainer if you can stack together those role guys who one more Star right? I think listen we say there's what five minutes left or whatever don't don't forget. It can go a little bit past the deadline if these teams are already engaged. So I am a little dubious about this whole buyout Market thing, you know, like we gotta be real wage. Greg Monroe, no, that's not the point players and by players who get bought out do one thing and one thing only they go to a team that that image that has, you know, a decent chance of playing for a title. Otherwise, there's no reason to go and that's why I always the the same teams get them because at that point you've been bought out not really in it for any sort of money. You're just want to go somewhere and see if you can you know, write Catch the Wave to a championship. They may cry Murphy makes no sense for a team for for the Celtics to wage is just based off the keys tweet if if they're trying to move salary around and then be active in the market no freaking way. Are you going to be successful in the biome where you're going to get you're going to get about the 8th or 10th best available get there because who's coming here? This team is not Looks like they're headed there's four or five six teams hear that that the the players want to go to that have a shot at playing for a title bus is not one of them. Correct. It's just a matter of if the other teams are going to have I guess I guess they'll just make roster spots available. If you're good enough, they'll figure out a way to get you on. I mean, that's that's obvious. So it's not happening here. So again that yeah, I don't even know why the Celtics would be again. Why are they wired Awards bomb when we got we don't Terrance Ferguson to the Kings. So the Raptors are are Terrance Ferguson Terrance Davis of the Raptors. I so they're clearing declaring roster spots no known but they they now reopen rods a water balloon. Don't misuse don't miss used to watch bomb. Okay, cuz that's like the boy who cried wolf. Okay, we're not going to believe you next time. You tell us there's a roach bomb fair. I know but I think it's a precursor to a bomb. They're trying to open those roster spot, right? Yeah, so I responded are coming boss. They've been clearing roster spots for the last hour, but they haven't ever coming to Boston and buses never trading seven round seven first-round picks for anything. Okay, we have to retire so these pictures Larry's from no. I'm just saying any personally that's out there. So Larry's probably going to La for three players sense and save three roster spots not yeah. Yeah, so I mean, how about this? Let's just sit in silence for 5 minutes. Okay in protest for the Celtics not making any other moves one moment of silence moment of silence for the Genesis style Alex Morgan five minutes. Can somebody just do me a favor Jimmy make up a rumor about Lonzo and tweet it so I can actually I just made it the room when you hated it. I just posted across it on my timeline get excited for 10 seconds. John I don't want to soil the Integrity of my my journalism get that blue channels are cold. Yeah. Exactly. 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The Clippers are in the off-season or something like that. I mean there in hard Camp position to someone's going to get them. I don't know if they do have a tough time keeping them there in New Orleans, but I do very much New Orleans for stringing me along until 2:58. Okay? Yeah. That was that was me couldn't you have just told me a week ago John Collins probably staying home to at this point clearly this Market is so this is what we do every every deadline. We we all get our hopes up for all these big trades and then honestly, but it was dead. Even people who traded there are people who still think this one minute is going to result in a trade. They're checking their clocks to make sure they're not a little fast black people asking the 48 starts, I believe so but I don't know if it'll happen right away because there's no practices. They basically play Four game start put it this way. He said Fred Goes double big, you know, and you know on the team or if if you start shemi then we're gonna have some big problems. I would you consider. Let me ask you this. Would you consider Kemba on the bench? No, no. Okay, so good with today. Thank you for asking of a pastor, right? How about Rob Fournier? The two J's and smart to start better defense not a bad defensive line up there as well and put in a smart entice. No, wait, wait, wait and button twice on the now the second unit and then let camber shoot 25 times, but that second unit off. No, I keep different know I think something different but it's just not going to be that stars have been good. And at this point the devil Biggs positive. So if you still want to keep rolling with that wage is double negative. I'm a big is double dead. Yeah, it probably doesn't take any more. But yeah, I'm going I'm going 48 cuz he's a secondary ball-handler. You don't want him will eat in a second unit. I will never go on the bench. So that's not even worth considering. So I like smart Rob that stuff on the bench that way you guys. Does it comes in after 3 and we're going to linger a little bit longer but it is officially 3:00. I'm getting rid of Celtics turn into a pumpkin. Like the midnight Cleveland Cavaliers and Andre Drummond absolutely are working on a buyout that happened. Obviously if he wasn't traded that was going to happen. So, you know, they're dead what what the situation is and we've mentioned Brooklyn as a very likely destination. But that is it guys the trade deadline has come and gone and at this point the Boston Celtics have acquired off Evan Fournier and that's it for 2 seconds. They didn't make another move they have to at this point. If no move is made they're going to have to just let somebody go off to have the roster space an assumption. It's Devonte green. It looks like they're going to leak into the tax a little bit here, which is interesting as well because they desperately wanted to avoid that long so internalized I refuse to believe that I refuse to believe that they're going to figure it out. Yeah, you could cut you can't make any deals at this point. That's a good you cut a few guys and get under I don't know. That's correct. weird that they left that hang in there like that, so Get ready for repeater tax next year. I guess that was confusing is with this about not wanting to trade anybody. It's so weird that they didn't trade any one of the magic to this Spa be they were so close on so many deals. Well, that's the thing is you don't know the motivation. You don't know if ultimately, you know, it's going to come down to one of two things either. They don't have anything anybody wants and that includes Tom that includes all you know, what I miss this the magic got a $17 TP. So yeah, there'll be no one going in the magic, right? Yeah. So I guess you're right. They have to cut someone I guess. Who is it going to be right Teague biting? Finally. There's a few options does a few options are the right page when you're saying why did that stuff happened? I think Bobby at this point. It's it's one of two things. They overvalued assets, which I don't believe was necessarily the case. I think ultimately every single swing that they might have taken. The other teams just didn't want it. And that was it as we said the biggest fear here was that the Celtics had very few chips and all they were going to be able to do is trade PE to someone for something they didn't want any more and that's what they did and we said that early in the year and it wasn't a matter. I don't think of Danny trying I think ultimately they've got birth and picks that people have early covet in the twenties and really know young players of value Beyond Rob at this point. So I guess in the few next days will see like oh this was on the table, they turned this down and people will want to do it and and mention it but I don't know. Wow. All right, we got one right after the buzzer here both Celtics talking Moe Wagner Daniel theis were there it is. Yep. I was just about to ask you if you were surprised at thys wasn't wasn't traded today because that was my big one. You don't want to waste assets and Moe Wagner lobner. Yeah be dead. Avabel, okay. Okay. Let's see if they can get that one in before the buzzer here. I will Depot trade in today. It's kind of I mean, what is this? This is just money. So what what's Wagner's deal? I mean, he's still on up easy on oh, that's right. Yeah, it would be like two or three right and then Tyce is 5:00 5:00. This is just straight money. This is just bookkeeping. It doesn't make you better but this is what I've said those like I refuse to believe they're going to you know, I I'm not worried about them taking on a tax guy like for kneeing. Well this this I mean, it's okay. This makes you presumably worse today. This is a straight bookkeeping maneuver at least at first glance unless you've got any differently Bobby three years old former first-round pick pick twenty-five. Was that is that the Rob Williams here? This is his third year in the league, I believe. Yeah, so that's I guess so I guess where you could a couple of pick a gift for Rob. He's six eleven. So you had a little bit of size. I mean, it's a it's a it's more of a big it's not this is not a shooter by any means. Well, this is a tough when it it. Well, that's I mean is no you're not only shrab it unleashes Rob. So for for those of us who want to see it great and yet the very least now, I want to change it. Now. You see rev William start for the rest of the year miraculously is hip will no longer be an issue and we'll finally at least the full power of Rob Williams, which I support that being said life is more valuable piece than Wagner. I'm at a mask ice do this team this team takes half a step back. Yeah, you're giving away Pieces Just for bookkeeping because off everything is messed up with this team. Hey Miss. Did I miss something? He's? So what Wagner 2.8 you split that down the middle. It's like 2.5 and savings you cut green or Teague and you're under that tax. So who did the Bulls trade to acquire they created very little two guys. I've never heard of for Wagner and his fine ground. Look, he's still young. I don't think he's dead much is left on his deal. He's free agent after this year free free or is it would be auction right the Rob deal. He's in the same year as Rob. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's got the wrong team option, which is probably already been picked up. Right, he's not making yeah, exactly. Me check back with the wizard kind of decline that already and he did the Bulls. Well, no, they just got him from The Wizard today. Yeah wage boards. Oh, sorry. I was urd's yeah, the Wizards declined that he's in created to share. He's a free agent. He's a complete free agent. This is I know people are saying he's got some potential. This is sure you can re-sign back if you want but this looks like it's straight bookkeeping that's so yeah making two point two point 1 million this year. It's not just bookkeeping but the odds of him reaching tice's production level this year seemed pretty well Titus was just such a perfect fit for this team this system the most reliable big this is a backwards it is for sure. Absolutely. You just hold Johnston you just hope Thompson starts performing. And he's really going to have to now this was tomorrow night guys. You're going to see Thirty thirty-five minutes of Rob. He might start he has to sneak. Honestly. It's about damn time if they started Grant tomorrow. No joke. I'm never doing another post game. Show. Was this Oakland A's move? Yeah slides Robin in the starting lineup could have been aware of that to you guys going to do. What do you guys going to do if Moe Wagner comes in and starts over? You guys will get the fire again. The fire Stevens line has this little trade Celtics fans will will recognize the Hornets are requiring Golden State's office Brad Wanamaker. Oh, he did not perform well for Golden State little little reunion in Charlotte. They're they're slowly taking everyone on the Celtics. I hope that deals probably going to go through right that's that's our cap question solve but man that sounds good, but I still work straight up. This is inflating off into this show one more viewer and we hit 1600. We haven't hit it yet. Come on know isn't this kind of we were thinking about man that's such an unceremonious ending for smart here and I'm not going to pretend tice's Jersey was going up the Rat Pack Raptors, but he was a really good way for this volume for a few years the way you talked about him at times it made it did make it seem like it was going up there. This is are we you talk about like assets and like different moves consolidating on each other to hurt more down the line. They're given a place for nothing here. That's tough. And he's going to really help the Bulls again when you know what Bobby this is actually I told you so yeah, I was just going to say it's a little lesson for you. But you come off. This is the whole Tice has value. He was literally giving away for nothing. Bobby would sit here on the show and look fans in the eyes and say Tysons the top 10 Center and he's going to get eighteen and twenty million next Thursday on a free market. He was just traded in a salary dump for Mo freaking nothing giving away for nothing. Literally nothing and Bob was ready to Crown Him and send him up to the rafters. Truly hate to see well, I'll miss some we all will all the depot to Miami really go. Here we go. Probably for a second room 3 after 3:00 is everything starts to happen here, you know the enemy so that means they okay, so they were like, all right, you're not going to you're not going to buy it on Lowry then we'll just go get Oladipo. Yeah, like it's viral saying put nothing yet. I mean, there's only one team left now writes the Lakers. I bet you I bet you that's the next one. We here. I think Adam Silver is going to have to sit on this and say we gotta let these teams go another 30 minutes to get what we want done here. It's already happening a lot of this stuff. It's like sending in a paper right if you get in a 12 pack like every so many way you you get to know what Miami's giving up. Let's find out I guess in a minute, but they don't match his money, which is Olynyk probably an office and Kendrick Nunn and like maybe like one more minimum guy gets that done. Houston's not getting anyone for a Depo in the end here. There's no chance. So Miami right off the bat now. I mean, you know the Celtics Celtics and Celtics fans may have thought they improved a bit today. But now look at Miami they just they bring on a guy like Oladipo. They're already arguably better than you to begin with and the whole thing about you know, Bob what you said. Oh well for me, it might be there between the 8th Street in the fourth seed money. Well, what does that do for Miami now Oladipo makes them much better than they were an hour ago and better if Oladipo was just mailing it in Houston and he decides to turn it up now, if he's truly the player he was in Houston. He's going to be useless for them. Cuz he was a bad man and he's not useless first. Give me a break with that. That is Walmart. Okay, this is a guy you have to account for on the court. And now you have to hook up a little bit when he's a guy who's not the only guy on that team. He's a huge addition for them. Are you kidding me? That's that's a big deal. That's a big deal. He doesn't have to be this Page Plus alpha alpha. He's another threat and outlet and guy you have to absolutely worry about and defend and I mean, I know he's having a not a great year from an efficiency standpoint, but I think when the expectations are lowered and he doesn't have to be the guy I think he's going to be good Raptors are keeping Lowry per watch. Wow. That's obvious. Hoga by Last Night Vale Bobby. Yeah, the prime minister of Canada over here Bobby your your you know, your your Raptor fan friends should probably be a probably happy right? I would imagine I wouldn't be throwing you want you want to get some from Lowry. Everybody loves Love's in Toronto though. I mean, that's true. Maybe they can keep them now. Maybe he'll sign a new deal there that's certainly a possibility. So the heat probably are a little bummed about the way they probably really wanted him in a deeper. Was there fallback option and I'll keep saying it I'll be stunned if Oladipo really changes the tide of things here when he's been a second third option in the past as I've been as effective. I know he's transformed his body and his game since those days in Orlando in Oklahoma City, but he was the guy in Indiana ball in his hands all the time doing everything for them at home. Get as the opposite from John like with less responsibility and ability to make plays on the ball there unless Jimmy Butler just totally seeds it to him which is possible 42. Wow. It's a ton of people in here right now. Sorry. Yeah, what was that Bob? I was going to say unless Jimmy Butler totally seeds this thing though Depot and let him be that guy. I think he's going to have a transaction an extreme with you, Are you why do you think both play? What does he have to seem to him? Anyone seen anything to Hardin was a classic take everybody else do what you need to do sort of thing. And I'm here when you need me guy. He's not dead. He already seeds what it needs sort of guy. He doesn't have to worry about anything here. That's not I mean that's Depot is listen another losing he's had his teeth. He's he's had you know, he's having an off-year Bobby hates Oladipo for whatever reason you can't take everything. He says as you know, I don't hate him. I'm just the mail about what he's done this year. I hate him. He literally said I hate this guy. I will be as failures the rest of his life. That's what you said. I mean if we're being realistic, he hasn't had a good year since 2018. He blew out his knee too. It's not forgetting I think on his way back. He's a two-way guard. You can play you know, he when he is engaged and I and I think listen you get traded to a contender but it does something to you you get traded to Houston Bobby and see how you feel. Go ahead. Yeah, you get let me ask you guys this question. So leading up to the deadline right now. There's been a lot of emotional expense that really wanted lots of things to happen and along the way there's a lot of people out there who said some things that they probably wish they could take back about some players that they now have to live with on this team right now so long if you're a Celtics fan and you know that there's a great if you're a Celtics player and you know, there's a lot of people out there who really were hoping they would get rid of either smart or get rid of Kemba or get rid of Tristan and every one of these guys is returning to the team. What's that do to the overall psyche like, you know, you were dangled, you know, the Celtics tried to get rid of you, you know that nobody wanted you and you know that you're still here despite the fact that a lot of fans didn't wage. You here either and I know this is life of a team in the NBA trade deadline, but here it's not a normal thing cuz here normally the Celtics are talking about improving and in this case a lot of people are like get these guys out here. So here we are right now and we're moving on with Kemba smart, Tristan and again different people feel different ways about these people but you know, is there a place to live or I mean my entire this entire time line is filled with get rid of Kemba get rid of Tristan and sorry guys, they're here which means nobody wanted them. That's that's it which means the Celtics have to live with them. I'll go. Yeah, I mean listen, there is some of that I don't know if again smarts did exception smart was a polarizing guy but the other guys everyone was like get him out of here. Right? Right and I think listen Danny Danny always is due diligence whether or not he asked too much for this. These guys is one thing but it's very easy to be down this team right now, you know, they've given me every reason to be the way it ended last season is carried right on over to this season and I honestly think there just wasn't enough. It's just feels like one long season and there just wasn't enough break between the way it ended in a double against Miami to the way this thing started and I wonder if things kind of carried over for some of the players into this season. I mean, they didn't really have an off-season didn't really get much time away and there might have been some, you know frustrations carried over to this year that were that we've watched. You know from the start and then they definitely have flaws and trading Daniel theis and bringing on Evan Fournier isn't going to change the bones of whatever the issues are with this team. Clearly Daniel tight. He was not an issue like like we talked about he was you know a number is this was a that was a business numbers moving right there. Bring it in for me a song is a good move because it does make them better and it gives Danny engine other guy to consider in the off-season and and whatever but if you have a and maybe it's not as bad as we think or that I told maybe you know, if if truly was a horrific locker room and everyone was at odds, Danny Ainge I think would would work to maybe have gotten rid of you know, somebody that had more of a say in things like like a smart or Thompson or whatever maybe those moves are still to come but they didn't you know, they didn't get it done this this deadline and like we've been saying it's not often that those types of moves happen. It's just not the time. Where you make rash decision that's going to completely alter, you know, your franchise or the or the path that you're on if you're still looking to be a contender in years to come and you're not going into sell mode. You don't go crazy at the deadline. So they made a couple of moves and you know, this is your team going forward at least throughout the rest of the season ultimately I would be stunned if they you know, I'd be surprised if they need the Eastern Conference Finals very surprised and go from there. Yeah. I don't think they could have done anything today to get out of that. I don't think there's anything they could have done today to make them an Eastern conference with that Contender. I don't think so either I'm with you for kicking around the possibility of keeping an expiring Tice adding vujevich to that equation and keeping Thompson wage, which would have been a massive upgrade but it would have been awkward. It tastes probably leaves Thompson's just flown around there and then you don't have any front corner of the future unless you really think what you wish is the kind of the future time. Types of Daniel theis is done. Yeah. So this is buying into Rob to essentially as we say, Rob is now the starting center on this team. There's no way around that long and he's going to play a substantial amount of minutes. They're going to ride his rise into the playoffs and they get a rotation guy in Wagner out of it. Save some money. Theis is so tough to swallow but like you said to take in that blanket away from Brad is Sharad said he can't, you know entice any more. You gotta go all-in on Rob here for the rest of the way and if you sink you sink and if you swim you swim the binky is out the pacifier is officially out of the mouth and we are riding in riding and dying with Time Lord for the rest of the season, which I am completely fine with as I've said. If you're looking to truly make a big big splash and keep Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum, Rob is your last Reeling. I would say you're watching use your only real asset that may have to do that John. Would you agree? I mean if he continues to, you know, if it continues on this trajectory that said any more I think he is a building block at this point and I think filling out you still has to be considered as that song If a superstar player becomes available at least JB they'll pick up the phone now. You're in an addition, but now you are in before I look at it this way when you had a Daniel theis you could say I can live with prices my Center because they did last year and they reach age difference finals. Okay, and you can live with Isis your Center if you're strong anywhere else. So right now because you're not strong everywhere else now, you can't you don't have that fall back anymore. So if your true price has gone and if you trade Williams now, you have nothing in the middle and then you're going to be a team that's searching for that presents. So yes while you could theoretically fold rubbing deal for somebody else. It was easier before I talk to have done something like that because Titus was such a great fallback option. He was a super cheap starting-caliber Center that fit the makeup of this team with the wrong. I hope the way it was super cheap anymore and you don't have that anymore. So this value was was listen. He's a he was a good fine sturdy player. The value of him was his deal which he will not you're not going to get that contract next season so long They got out of it and they got a guy like he was going to be that much more. Like I said, I surmised it was going to be two and twelve there's not a lot of cash given around next going to be more than two and twelve no way. Yeah. Nine years at least six million a year. Yeah. I mean he's going to get eighteen but I don't think it's nice the Bane's I know beans has been awful this year. But the Bane's deal was about six or seven per I think that's what ties is better than veins and he's doing it on who you are and depending on what team on the Celtics when they had no true for no true powerful words either ties had a huge value because he was he was one of their better Biggs when you're stacking him up against other players, you're stacking him up against all fours and fives in the league and you're telling me he's worth a teacher. Like I said Serge Ibaka got 10 got the mid-level. I think theis comes in below that especially in a year where it's not a lot of cash to be given around. I think he's a cheap and would have thought Cheap re-signed of course. He's better than veins. But I'm saying is that's the money that a player like him is going to come and cuz he's kind of a niche guy. I think Chicago could keep him for ten a year. So 12-year ultimately have to give a guy a little bump raised to keep them and they'll probably come to a fair price there on the open market over two and fourteen is what he's going to get. Here's a report that the the Hornets want them to the they want ice. Yeah, they'll be teams out there. That'll give him a real offer. So there's no question about it. Here we go. Pull a Depot to Miami for two names that neat. Well Avery Bradley and Celtic. Yeah. So you go tell this go to hat Celtics could have had him if they just hold onto their guys. Yeah. Now they would at a trade-off camber smart whoever else and that just wasn't worth it. But no one wanted all the deeper. What does that tell you guys the heat wave again for absolutely nothing new that was happening. We knew he was going for not the 444 just salary matching. I mean another reason there's a reason that happened. He's not swinging the battery power these Celtic also, Well, they could take nothing for him to which you seem to have. I don't think you could have given kembo away for nothing. You don't think the Clippers would have given you ever lie or whether I think the Clippers would have to take them for nothing. I don't think James as well. I don't think you could have given away for nothing. But the Clippers are that Rondo or Walker? It's not Rhonda or Walker. It's 37 million dollars versus $10. It's not even close. Nobody can get a much better player in Walker. No, not 4:30. Not that's not a six-pack better player that chokes you and doesn't allow you to do anything else for the next three years. I mean two years. They're not doing much else. Anyway, I mean there were situations teams that would have made sense from that end. It's just the Celtics would have gotten nothing back which probably isn't still what they want to do. You can still get twenty-five Thirty points on any given night from workers they did last night. Yeah, man you happy with camber, right Jeremy. I met with Kim but I do recognize his flaws and I recognize the risk associated with keeping him not knowing where he's going to go health-wise with the knee but I am I I've already apologized for you know, thinking that he would never be close to what we've seen in B, and he does have moments where he isn't but I've seen enough where I'm not like concerned about his health right now. I just think that there's a fit issue going on and I don't necessarily blame Kemba Walker I blame guys like Genna Braun Jayson Tatum for just being impossible to like they're just not adapting to guys around them and think how many guys have come and gone in this spin Stars generally like to play with the young guys and and it's just not the case off right now. It's just it's just the money guys. I think the Celtics if they could have found a taker for Campbell would have get found a taker for Kim. Yeah. I think they for sure that's what I mean. I think they if they could have given him away in an Oladipo. Type deal they would have so take the heat could be adding Aldrich as well which has been floating around for a few weeks. So the heater seen as a contender the Celtics are so the buyout guys are Celtics won't and that'll be the end of it. Look guys at the end of the day anybody who gets to go pick where they get to play and money doesn't even matter. They're going to they're going to one of two places in India, New York a New York team or to a Los Angeles team. I mean, that's just it so it's Brooklyn in the to La is they're going to end Miami. Those are the for those are the four teams that are getting everything right now. So I'm you sound a nice life. I'm instead of dive in the Wagner. I don't know a ton of bottom Wagner. I guess that's it. He he'll be in the rotation. He's not going to start or her Rod but he's going to be important. He's going to have to play something close to tice's level dumping tights as a money dumped. I know you think it's whatever John but theis was a real reliable three got worse. Yeah. There's something's got worse in the last two minutes Bobby. There's no question about it. So Mark Murphy. Thanks, Jeff Teague and Jeff Green are headed out as well in this Daniel theis deal so Rasta she wants to be opening Thursday. Yeah, we don't talk about Jeff Green anymore. But Jeff Teague. I think that combined and jephte and Devonte green said three players going to talk about Jeff. We don't mention that well believe that Jeff Teague experience is over off and John has had to apologize wait, wait wait, so I wasn't even listening to you said t t Scott traded. Yeah. He's heading out. What was your Pontiac Grand Am Oh, wow. So to roadside we get a quick moment of silence for Jeff Teague doing stuff couldn't even get a moment couldn't even get a moment that page yourself take a look at some bio guys, at least one. They're getting under that they're going to attack. Like when you go to the zoo, you know, and you're looking for you look at stuff. You can't touch it. You can't have it. You can take it home with you like yeah. Well, they're not going to get anything. They're they're exactly like you have Teague already now. I'm now I'm really upset today today just got significantly worse than it was because of losing jobs. Javonte green. I think he was like probably going to be cut if he wasn't traded so I don't really so that's answers my question. I didn't think the way or Wagner taste of what got you under the tax tea green and tice gets you under it's just saw Barry know any foot that they're under now, but this deal gets you under a hundred percent over three wage. And but what do you do? You just carry too much as what you do? Yeah, I got a little bit more tpe. Talk from be robbed. Celtics will likely create a new tpe with Daniel pipes. They charge has not won. We won a little bit be able to take Mo Wagner Wagner, whatever into one of their smaller tipis in create a new one worth five million dollars. I'm going to call them Kurt Wagner. Is that okay? Sure. Okay, just not if you guys will get it you have to be you have to be somewhat of a nerd to get it and I am I'm not I'm like a big jock so that's okay. I don't get that stupid nerd stuff the Star Wars Star Wars joke close enough. Yeah. So what do you do to empty roster spots? You just carry that forever. I guess they don't need guys. Thomas Choi. My card Wagner. There we go. Let's start an Isaiah Thomas to Boston rumor. There aren't enough of those so we should start another one. Yep. All right, good day. I'm happy with today ma'am. Are you the type ones have to swallow but I think it makes sense. And you know, I'm with you guys if that's how you want to do this Rob thing you have at it. I would have rather dumped on Thursday nights. I wanted to do Rob. I wanted Rob and tice interested to go out. That's what I wanted. It didn't happen that way right all three. No, I want to Tice to remain and I wanted Tyson robbed to be the two big. Oh, yeah, and and against would have been starting over Rob and dump. It doesn't matter as long as you're only playing those too. And that's what that's what you want. Tristan mucks It Up by eating into those minutes and causing a you know, a rotation and I would always rather I'm almost always rather ticer or Rob be in the game than Tristan. So that's that's mainly it it was a it was a redundancy and something I don't think made them better in any real way. It's nice to have a big kind of big body in there when you need it. But Thompson getting beat up, you know by bigger more physical centers anyway, so it wasn't making a he wasn't making an impact. So here's the question when the Celtics play the boat again. Our Celtic fans going to say taste is getting screwed by nase calls. So I have not been on Celtics Twitter yet. But I am I'm guessing like like if losing smart would be like a 10 a.m. On the you know, kind of like emotional meter of like, you know how Celtics fans feel about their irrationally love their players. Theis is what like a six like the Tice love amongst other dog. Who's a one Jeff Thompson and Thompson Antigua ones. He is not a one for me you are saying is people love Tice love love love that irrationally. Yeah, I'm saying that's why I said on the irrational love scale. Right? Right. Yeah six is fair seven places like a seven. So let's let's let's read it. Yeah, it tasted. Romeo is a 9 for you if they traded Romeo today. I think you'd be to be a puddle of Tears On the Floor. I'm the Romeo era is yet is just about to begin. That's why they're that's why they're dead. Creating roster spots here because they know they're going to get Romeo back. Just do it. Don't worry about this year. Second unit smart Romeo Nesmith Let Her Fly just go say it's like Richard Richard smart bulb or nice smooth. And and I guess at this point Tristan fine. Thank the Lord has gone. I don't think I emphasize that enough. Like finally we don't have to deal with the pretty sure it's going to be playing over a month now thankfully and we we kicked around this little fan for a week sadly take was giving you know know we kicked around now getting to the free-throw line something nobody on this Thursday. Yeah. All right, great. So final twenty minutes of all the time they get the best of that. They tell us no way he is going to is that right? What is semi going up in that deal to be surprised? I didn't see that but I was hitting a commenters again. I have seen a couple of people throwing out semi one of them's my guy Julian here and he's not he's not a he's not a constitutional issue. Don't see that I see green and green. Yeah, you might have mixed green and not know it's saying green and socially and again, I'm not sure well. I don't know Audrey's is finalizing the contract by seeing that right now. Yep, Aldridge, Drummond. I guess Aldridge wouldn't be shocking. What what wouldn't be shocking as a Celtic buyout candidate? Cuz again all of these all of these top teams, they can only buy out so many different guys. If you're looking at Otto Porter, you're looking at Drummond, you're going to look at Aldridge. I mean how many buyouts per team? Are you getting one or two? You know, like there's a shot if there's 678 guys out there that they could land somebody. Yeah. She doesn't feel like college is in play but not just a winner a guy needs to the other thing. I should say. I'll amend what I said earlier teams want to ride the bus, you know, when jump onto the jump onto a bandwagon and get a title, but there's other guys in for that next contract that need to go to a situation where they can be used. And so, you know that that that's part of the equation to if you can go and show that you're worth something, you know, maybe that's it, but we'll see. We'll see anything else. We're seeing here guys before we shut it down know the guy that's been kicked around for weeks and weeks those Drummond and they they can't escape that name multiple people keep saying the Celtics have one and him it feels like he's heading that way but now the space isn't there in LA from there possibly could have been with the lottery deal Miami the Nets. I guess the Nets is still possible but Celtics could theoretically start him right now with theis out-the-door Thompson still in the fold that will be a tough one to get around at this point, but I'll be watching that one and not not you're right John Auto Part. It would be the guy who left you in next. Another Wing a guy who would help quite a bit you Keith just tweeted Celtics with an will hit the buyout Market wage an eye on the two guys. I just mentioned Aldridge & Porter. So again, we'll see what that means. But and what I on it means it really doesn't matter who the Celtics have an eye on it matters whether or not they want to come here, but those are both names to watch to watch for birth. So if you had Porter Fournier and Wagner, that's a real good mid-season net upgrade. I think I guess popular song hard, huh? Yeah, according to Jared Weiss Teague is actually was actually part of the 48 trade. He's been told he doesn't have to report to Magic and will be waived. So make sure your services in the NBA. So at the end of the day, it goes to Gordon Hayward for Gordon Hayward, Jeff Teague. Javonte green Daniel theis two second-round picks for Tristan Thompson Evan Fournier Mo Wagner. And that's it. Right. That's what we got. Guess so that's the deal. That's that is right in line with with the deadline that the deadline deal right there. Just stamp deadline deal right on that trade still. I'm still getting send stuff here. Let's see what this before we wrap it magic the magical received. Okay. Yep, magic received Teague and two second-round picks from the Celtics. Okay. Yep, as you just mentioned there. Yep. Yeah, exactly. They had to actually give second round picks to get rid of Teague with it will be straight weighed additional second-rounders know there were no not going there to begin with right but also team. Okay. Well, this is pretty sad if you think about where they were in the off-season too now. Yeah, but it's better than the original a grant what we've been going through. I was going to lose my mind on the air here today if we were destined to watch. That into the playoffs and the rest of the season double big. They have a more normal team is better Talent Bobby's are not very clear that a lot of this again was about bookkeeping as much as it was Improvement at this point. So, you know for 28 with the Improvement, I was happy with that move and then you gotta do what you got to do on the other end of that. Now we just get taxed where Rob brings us to him. Does the Elevate them. Are you guys going to be Vindicated defense is worse Bobby Fournier is not a great defensive player and you lose ties here too. So it's winter long. So what if I is it will see I mean there's times where again you're you know, there's there's reasons why theis is a better matchup against people than than Rob so we'll see again positives here. There's obvious positives 40 days the type of player that you needed and cost you nothing absolutely moving out to ice opens up the Rob Williams error, which I think is a positive thing clearing out some of these other people Like a Teague and Javonte means more minutes hopefully for for developmental players and maybe it means they're not necessarily worried so much about this year. And again, I would be perfectly fine. If they spend the rest of the year playing guys like, you know, the rotation with Nesmith and Romeo and these guys and see what you have in a few answers. You have nothing then you have nothing but at this point you risk wage lose nine now, you gotta find out heading cuz you need to find heading into the office and what you need and what you want and if you don't give them a chance right now because you're hunting wins and trying to sneak it. Here's the thing when it comes to tanking tanking is an organizational thing. It's not a team thing if you play the players that you have on your roster and you just end up losing that's not bad and that's not tanking absolutely play these guys right now and if you lose and fall into the lottery, that's not the worst thing in the world. And if you develop these guys along the way and they show you something that's also a pretty good thing. So I'm fine with going with that at this point and suck. With these guys have and putting them in the second unit and just live with it. And if this season ends up being a bust so be it can't be worse than it is right now. Yeah, I mean, yes and no I agree with you to an assistant. I do think that you don't want to be playing guys that are not even contributing to you know, positive results or wins because then you start to get you know, you might find some issues with brown and Tatum and and you know, to an extent where it's like, you know, what are we doing here play the guys they're going to help us win. We still want to win like we're fighting for a playoff or fighting for you know, if they are actually fighting for any sort of jobs that they have and if they are trying to fight for class, but you want to play those young guys and develop them but you're still looking to win games now, it seems like both are going to have to happen because there they are, you know opening up those spots. So if Thursday does actually exist and he is alive and he's not just somebody, you know me Johann strings and we will actually see him this year in great. You definitely want to play him over like Javonte green or a dog. You know same with they would nice minutes. They would Pritchard you want to see these guys in there over those veterans or those guys that you don't necessarily think that they have like a long future with this team or they don't have much value off at the very least. You can drop some value for some of these guys for the rest of the season and maybe in the offseason again, you have another, you know, somewhat of an asset maybe not a major one, but maybe Nesmith be Romeo are worth a little bit more to a team than they are now, which is basically zero a lot of them outside line. Here are really love and Wagner hear Bobby. So right off of what I did and so you get a consider to who knows what he actually brings to the table skill-wise here, but it's sick going from 6/8 Tice 6/9 ice to 6:11 real seven foot off power center there in the backcourt. So doesn't play a huge and he you know, he was a guy who actually shot it and shot it, you know before I get into the NBA but his print his prestige. Just have not been great. So yeah anticipates here Mark Murphy store says backup big Luke Cornett or Cornett is also off from Chicago as part of a three-team deal. So another backup big coming in that in that grade never heard of him. I don't know if that's do that. He might just be getting cut off no idea, but that's what Murphy just just tweeted. All right. Well, we'll see what happens we've gone a bit. We're ninety minutes here. And I think at this point I'm confident, you know, we set it at 3 a.m. For done making their moves, but there was possibly some bookkeeping to come out. We're seeing the extent of that now which looks like Tyce has gone. Javonte has gone Teague has gone Wagner here. So what car Net 7 to cornet 7 to yep, cool. Wow. Okay. Hey, I want to I want to read the street that I got in summary page. Market Street, James Harden Rockets get Avery Bradley Kelly Olynyk Dante assume. I don't even know how to raid radians. Groups. Yeah, yeah carrick's late first-round pick and swaps that's went to Vanderbilt buddy for Nesmith. That's a tough haul for oh, yeah, people are mad Nesmith to talk about a guy we drafted 14th and see whether or not he could play what's wrong with that. Nothing's wrong with it would come on rather talk about Nesmith in Romeo until we got you play Let's see if they can play and if they can't find yeah agree upon cornets another girl. Who would you rather see at this point? You guys want to see more semi have it you guys can have it. Now the Celtics are incredibly a better on here. So I don't people think George Jones posting comments on to the screen so that he can get mad get upset. I think people get we came in the state call me out on stuff. I don't mind posting it. I'm not trying to hide the comments. People are yelling about it. Fine done. We we came on this show we came into the show satisfied with the 48 move and just because Ty Squad With it and this and that all of a sudden that's hours today all that much. It's still the same thing. They're better team. They're deeper. They have more concrete rotations and they've dumped some of the less unproductive minutes that Steven says continue to hang on here people should be thrilled about this day and I don't think they should be thrilled to brakes a tab. He's not thrilled but it was fine. And this is exactly where you guys wanted what I'm saying is I understand a Bobby I see it two ways. Okay. I I think I think it's not a bad day for the Celtics because I think this was reasonably what you what they were going to do, which was and I think Fournier is the best player you could have possibly gotten while giving away next to nothing and they did it cuz again the tpe is nothing so you gave away nothing and that's fine. You got a job very capable player who's going to help this team now and then beyond that I don't know that you got anything else. The rest was just maneuvering. Okay. I'm not going to say anything that happened in the last 12 months. 30 minutes here after that deadline passed makes them better per se. Okay, but right better now, there's some flexibility to do some things in the offseason. Theoretically you still have smart and $11,000 worth of a tpe. If you want to do something there. I don't know. I mean smart now you have to figure out what you're going to do. He's got with his contracts coming up. You've got the kids to develop maybe they turn off assets. I don't know but I don't know how you say it's a slam dunk. Good day Bobby at the end of the day. The the net Hall here is for is is Fournier, which is fine. I think makes them better today, but we don't know much about what this need to look like after this season because there's a lot of there's a lot of question marks. I think a lot of people were hoping the Gordon thing Bobby was going to make you have something that you knew you could count on for a couple of years and that would help you. Give time to reset and decide where you were going to go from there. They don't have that. They're very much changing on the Fly and they enter the offseason not knowing what they're going to be doing. Right like you don't know anything here. You have no certainties. You don't know what to do with something. You don't know what to do with Fournier. They're going in they could theoretically lose everybody. So it's really hard to judge this right now. Yeah, there was a cost to doing nothing though. And that possibly could have been a significant portion are all of the TP nothing here. But what you do lose is what Jimmy was saying prior to this Bobby all year long was you made this deal now and it makes you better now. But if Fournier walks and you gave away the tpe you've now lost that leverage as well to be able to make a trade in the offseason. So if there are trades available and what standing in the way as money and you gave birth on 48 who you're not going to re-sign we're going to look back on this and say why didn't they do nothing so it's is always available. If we don't know it's just it's really hard to gauge this pressure to do something. Now, you can it's the same thing. They use the they use the TV they use the mid-level on Tristan and that's the reason they're hard capped which limited their flexibility to make trades now, so you gotta be careful about birth. Acting to something right here because there's still there's a lot that is going to happen. And if you end up in the off-season, you're like we can't make this move because we don't have any flexibility because we're hard Captain wage aside and trade people will be looking back to Millie save a million million, you know, ultimately the only moves that would be made down the line or made now when involved Jaylen brown or Robert Williams, so that's still all on the table and brought could potentially become more valuable in the wake of these moves. So you put yourself in a better position there and as you say who knows if we run for office which was even a guarantee I kind of had deep reservations about him concerns and that when it got them anyway the word you're saying if you know time that's who I deal was on the table today that song is worth it. That's the point is maybe we'll find out if they would have been better off making no deals if they did nothing. This season would have created in a way you would not have believed it might stay off. Halloween still that's the thing is then you lose your coach. You lose your tires possibly improving. This year was not important what's important is that you're set yourself up wage to be able to do more things down the road. Okay. I don't know. The last two weeks were spent saying is this the can Brown and Tatum even get it done or should they move on from them? And when you get to that point still a question about nothing, I don't think that's a question you you're in that camp. I'm in the camp of I question everything. That's the can environment and I don't put anybody on on a pedestal or Untouchable for all this stuff. There are plenty of issues with Tatum Brown Brad you go down the line and there is a problem with smart. You can keep talking about these guys. Nobody on this team is LeBron James. Okay. Nobody is Kevin Durant. Okay. So yeah, I'm going to question everything and everybody until I'm proven otherwise trading for Evan Fournier today great you made a deal and you're better this you're better than you were you're significantly better, you know, we're still be a better you're just better. You're a first-round exits still this year cuz there's four teams clearly better than you right after you have to follow you go on the show and say how awful it is to be stuck in mediocrity. Guess what all she's done is cemented themselves probably as a playoff team realistically, right? They're cemented as a playoff team and realistically they might lose in 6 in the first round instead of five like it's not a huge difference. The goal was now you give yourself a chance and all you lose is 2 pics from like sixteen to eighteen it's fine, but you could lose the flexibility to ask you for something of value in the off Seasons. That's what it is. So you are not judged this until you realize what could have been available later and you don't know which was always the risk as far as 28,000 goes. It wasn't there in the offseason between the hard cap. We don't know what was potentially going to be. I mean, there are name out there. You almost say no to everybody that would matter real. No cat. No. We don't know, you know, the money just doesn't work. We don't know find out this offseason who becomes available that would have fit under that tpe. We won't theoretically could have been treated with a lot of guys traded today. We didn't think were happening. Right. So I was I was the king of the bucevic train. So if they if they could have made that happen, I'm obviously frustrated with that but for some reason or another Chicago came through there was an offer that Orlando like more again, they are unquestionably at the moment a better team simply because they acquired Fournier for nothing and then the Tice Wagner thing is not going to make them depreciation be better, but we'll see whether or not in the long run. This is a positive move for the franchise, which I think is more important than whatever it is. They've made for improvements this year. And now you're looking for guys. The other thing is is not now you're calling for guys to step up now right like you're looking for a picture to step up without we joke about Teague, but he was giving you some solid minutes and some solid, you know solid presence out there. You need somebody to fill those minutes. You know that that's one position your brain on a new player like 48. There's going to be a little bit of growing pains. Now with this team you when you can't just stick a guy, you know, just sticking a guy in the middle of a lineup that already is off to begin with isn't just going to be a seamless transition. So I'm you know, it's one thing to add a good player like 48. It's another thing to see how they all fit together with no practice and none of that stuff off on so yeah on paper say this to say this too is a chance for Tristan Thompson Redemption and he needs to get it together know I'm not saying like that's going to happen. He needs to make it happen based on what's happened here. Like he was out of town if they potentially could have made that happen and it feels like no one wanted him. So I didn't necessity there to move Tice instead and now Thompson's gotta walk and exactly what happened. He is certainly lost his starting job at this point rightfully. So because of stuff we talked about off the court but also the Encore production, so he's going to have to come up with the second unit. Somehow find a wage. Be a world leader and really make an impact with that unit signing Thompson cost us to cost cost of Celtics ties is what happened. And now you question whether or not just would have been better not signing him at all and the answer is absolutely would have been better. Stay. Mostly. Hopefully, this is a wake-up call. The playoffs for the side that it won't because it doesn't matter cuz this team isn't going anywhere Bobby. So it doesn't matter if you play as well enough to give them a slight boost in the playoffs. This season is useful. So this cost you tie straight having Tristan cost you twice. I was going to be from the beginning any having having Forty Acres cost you to your deal and Tyson was up. Yeah, I'm Forty-Eight just caught a case. Right and I still and you might you might say they not may not be able to go back there. But the biggest reason I supported the Thompson move is strongly as I did is cuz the last thing image that game Stacks which the Celtics were in was tight following out early in the fourth and that you looked at Rob and they didn't believe in them and Grant ended up playing that game out and he didn't have it either. So if they can somehow get back to that position guys Step Up 48 is a huge impact and you get to a matchup where Thompson and Rob now at this point. I stepped up abroad can be Much better frontcourt than last year. I still believe in that all collectively be an upgrade. I love ties but the limitations costume last year. I keep the fact that he got some of the East finals a substantial achievement because they took Warford and they had nothing left behind him, but they were real limitations with him to that. They tried to address the Thompson and hopefully Wagner will help out a little bit with you can always make like twice in the offseason. Go ahead. Do we have the capabilities to put up a Wagner like highlight reel and and comment on it as we're watching it I could but I'd have to do it from it. Sadly just the browser that I'm on right now. We'll where you at in the videos wonky, but we can do it heading into tomorrow. Okay. All right. That works. Yeah. I have no Wagner. I'd like to I think Wagner might he might have cult status possibility that yeah, the problem with him is he's been on a bad Lakers team. He's been on a bad Wizards team and he can't break through so well now I don't know that Celtics team so he oh, yeah. No, I mean, I mean I so these guys choosing up tomorrow. That's always the big question. I feel like Fournier should be able to which is all that really matters here. Thompson's probably still out. So you're lining up against the honest and the Bucks tomorrow with Fournier until and Rob starting and ready to take on that Yiannis responsibility and whatever else is required. This is M. You guys want to see their 35 minutes of rough him starting? Well don't he he has made since we wanted more Robin. It sounds I'm going to get more know but at least for tomorrow at least for tomorrow, they're going to need that and I can step in and play a little bit which you know, he didn't happen that just he did a good job yesterday, but know that you're getting at least 30 minutes of Rob tomorrow and all the different things we talked about whether it's the coverage stuff whether it's positioning not following all these little things that they've been able to deal with because he's in a bench role because this minutes have been limited that's going to be on display in crunch time. Going to be on display for a much larger cycle games. Yeah, so it's sink-or-swim now, I mean, that's probably going to cost you some games. It's probably going to win you some games in these spots, but he'll be able to work through the fall of and hopefully comes off the other side come playoff time and better player for they got what like twenty six games left to give or take so it's this is his time to really get comfortable with that starting role. It's about time. Okay, we will see what happens again. We are pretty much done. So again, just let you guys know. Thanks for hanging follow us on Twitter subscribe to our YouTube channels. If you haven't already this is a massively successful live stream with ton of viewers ton of commenters. We love all of you. We'd love to have all of you back. This is a huge big audience here. We do post-game shows after every single game. 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And I know there's plenty of you out there for that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So keep my haters busy, you know, I gotta keep keep giving them a reason to get up in the morning. Yeah, that's so right. Exactly Bobby. I think Bobby Bobby I think actually fell asleep. Yep. I don't know if he was up late last night editing editing our show from last night doing. So, we got a lot of work still to do today. Also Nick, of course Nick Nick. Sorry explored is going to be like the underwear. Nick's out of the deadline. Okay, just getting Nick. I don't believe this guy hates Jimmy. I believe you love Jimmy. I know I think he probably hates me. A lot of people usually when people say they hate me cause I mean it there are some strong Jean haters that some strong people who hate May and there's some strong Jimmy haters and their jokes ways only guy who's able to keep a a mellow reception in the cross section. I've never seen anyone hate Joe sweat. Well, Joe sway needs to dive in a little bit. Maybe he needs to get in the mud more. He he is pretty jokes way is pretty lovable wage has got to get in the mix. Okay, why do people hate us? Because we say stuff they strongly deserve polarizing not everyone hates me believe it or not. Some people love me my mom my dad, but when I say that's worth hating come on. I want to give that followed up here. It's just really bad takes just yeah, it's it's just more like everything you say is Where you look at your Al Horford Jersey, I think that that gets people off on the wrong foot. Right? Some people want to use the TP on Harford Thursday that fornia Horford. Morning, definitely. There you go. Like I said, I'll always take the wing and a guy in a three-level score. Thank you. Thank you know before before anything else. Yeah. I mean if those are the options and honestly not to toot our own horn, but I think we nailed this we nailed this tpe to it to a tee. No pun intended down exactly the type of player they're going to get in it and they did so that's why we're not that's probably that's why we're not upset today. We knew what we knew what we doing. Right necessarily mean that we're pumped do they got Evan Fournier? There's so much better today, you know, they're better because they brought in a player for nothing, but I don't think that was Danny's Danny's intended. We all better today. We all came into the saying keep Hayward and for some reason or another that wasn't an option. I feel like they could have done it if they had the chance to and then The Next Step Beyond that was McDermott and Turner, I guess that would have been good. They probably would ask you already on a budget. We've already apologized for being wrong on that. Yeah for sure cuz you get to rotation guys and all they got here with one so young idiots. So yeah, they gambled on getting better than Turner and McDermott and they ultimately didn't so that there's what happened. I consider myself, you know, like all those crazy investors right now that don't really know anything but they they just keep keep talking about it like there right at people. That's kind of like me with with basketball in the Celtics wage claim to know what the hell I'm doing or what I'm talking about, but it's not going to stop me from investing in the team. So that's how I would sum it up and that's why Rob is Rob stunk. Oh man. I'm so glad we get to finally have that full experience now and show you anything, It's about himself saying that he's the best just took the last two I just posted with the Johnson idiot, and I hate him the most and go ahead and post this coward. I'm no coward. So 7:30 tomorrow the debut of rebirth the Celtics starter on ESPN only goes up. Oh, yes p and immoral absolutely love it. That's when he shines. Yep. Jordan played pretty good yesterday Burke loves job. So if she loves Rob, all right, that's it. We did four weeks of trade ideas and screaming and yelling about the deadline and now we can just talk about the theme again. Finally, it's so funny is like I'm sitting here mainlining coffee. I'm the opposite of that. But yeah. Last oh three games. I couldn't even really focus on the game as tomorrow. I'm opening a pack of Top Shot cards tomorrow on the show live. So if you are a Top Shot and I got myself a pack and I will be opening it towards the end of the show. So a little teaser I have no idea what I'm going to get. I have you know, some of those I know a lot of those are worth a lot of money, but it could be open that and have it be like Moe Wagner. I look to see like what cards are available in this pack. I didn't seem owe on it. But yeah, there are some players that you're going to get. They aren't really be worth much but I could get a Zion Williamson tomorrow scoring his one thousand Point could be low serial number and I could immediately sell it and make thousands of dollars on it. So I hope it's our cars Edwards eight preseason thirties. Don't know if you made the Top Shot cut off. I did see him in a brown in in in this pack. So that's possible. All right. Yep. We're open 1 before I don't own any. All right the Night play on words. Nightcrawler is that his nickname know that's Kurt Wagner. That was a reference. I made that's that's Nightcrawler for the X-Men his actual I get this name, right? I'm so bad with me. I can't yeah. Well I kind of like tonight. I wouldn't mind calling Mo Wagner the Nightcrawler Celtics Twitter should have picked it up already. If not, we'll put it out there. I hope he finds a way to play does a real chance. He could just need a I have we're going to break down. We're going to break down Mo Wagner highlight reel on tomorrow show to John if John can figure out how to do that will do that. I can like I said, it'll be like remember that TV show off something like three thousand where they just would watch awful movies and comment on them is like on the Syfy channel. Damn it. I'm brake blinking on the name of it, but they would watch like the worst movies in the world and comment on them live. Yeah, like during the the final details of the trade just to wrap this up Wizards getting some guy named gaffer and some guy named Hutchinson Celtics get Luke kornet and mo Wagner Bulls get theis green Troy Brown and like a million bucks from Boston. Yep million bucks. Good give it to WIC according to John he could use it know a million bucks is going in the bowls from oh, oh, that's That's Heavy. That's that's deep into the pocket. Like we said to her fans are back next week. You gotta you gotta buy a confession the Garden tonight off. Yes call for Bruins. 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So if your birth Like they're everywhere, they're everywhere. So it's got balls in here. So I gotta go was today Greek Independence Day Independence Day. You can't thank good anything good going on you got any choice food or I have done nothing. But this today I've done nothing but look at Twitter and talked to you Happy Greek Independence Day and maybe we're going to get some we might get some French followers. Now that we're bringing in a Frenchman in fact like that too. And so we're happy. We got a German while we we traded Germans but flipped a couple of Germans today probably have median and Tristan Thompson remains. Yep. Yep. So that's good. Again. Thank you guys for watching will be back tomorrow night. That's it. This is your self-esteem. Let's see if we see some of the new guys tomorrow. We did get a really sad sweet from Gary Washburn a short while ago about the Celtics all kind of said bye to Tice and Teague and Javonte as they were heading out to practice. 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623 : Bubble Busted

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623 : Bubble Busted

"Life can be used to sell tickets. Lot with your host Justin Bieber John do welcome to Southern stuff live on the seal & S media Network the leading online provider of audio video coverage for the Boston Celtics who are no longer in the playoffs. So it's time here on something stuff live and throughout the country where Celtic fans say, there's always next year John. There's always next year. Is that yeah, but well, yeah, there's always this year, right? Yeah, that's true. I just look like I think there's a lot of people who are still pretty upset. I mean I'm sitting here and I'm we're we're recording this during game one of the finals right now. And you know, Miami is so down 11:00, but they've been pretty much in the you know, the first half here, you know, they're they're they're competitive in this game. And and I frankly think the Celica would have been as competitive. Better matched for the Lakers but it wasn't to be it wasn't to be and the Celtics unfortunately are you know going home and it's disappointing, you know, if you have kind of the long-range go back to where we were a year ago. And when that's when twenty season started, you know, I think we'd be pretty happy expectations. Yeah, I look back but but the fact that the opportunity because wage Miami was the opponent. That's a part. That's frustrating. It's like yeah, they exceeded expectations and If This Were Milwaukee we'd be doubly past because it's like well, you know, they can't get by on a walk in Milwaukee is going to be there again next year but in the bubble they were a top-performing team. They managed to get by without Gordon Hayward. You know, I'm not going to gripe about the official anymore. But I think the way that they drug out the Toronto series on us definitely made it more difficult for the Celtics heading into my or heading into Miami heading into the series against my life. They were in Orlando. But either way, you know, I could point to some of those things but the opportunity is that next year is going to be healthy and we'll see what happens. For Milwaukee during the quote-unquote off season and the draft is kind of like the workouts are everything is so disjointed, but but this was an opportunity and this was an opportune job. Need to go to the Finals Miami got a little lucky but also punched Milwaukee in the mouth at the same time. He was a double but they had such an easy time throughout first two series. They had just so much dog left in their fight. Yeah, and I think that you know, we were we went in expecting one thing on Milwaukee and they clearly are not what what they were in the regular season. They just over and over and through the bubble. But but also really in the playoffs slippers right there definitely players, you know, I talked about this with Bobby Manning last night long, you know, look at Paul George. They're just some players didn't have their heads in it and their hearts weren't in it. Yeah. It's I mean, it's it was a different Dynamic. I mean, I think the Celtics probably benefited from that more so than maybe a lot of teams certainly the fact that they didn't have home court or would not have had home court in in around two and three certainly that worked in the Celtics favor and run through they would have but around 2, they didn't and you know with a game seven against Toronto who knows if they're playing that on Toronto's Court, you know, but it did turn out they got the Conference Finals. I think that part is a success but you have to step back and look and say okay. Well now where do we go from here, you know and and there's been a lot of criticism thrown about you know, I think the Brad deserves some criticism. I think that you know, I really don't like the idea of criticizing Gordon Hayward given the incredible sacrifices that he had to put up with to get their wage. But I think you have to talk about from a roster struck construction point of view, you know, whether or not you know, Gordon Hayward is the right fit to be you know that four star here or at least not if it's in on this team, I think that we can get asked that question and ask it pretty often because when the sellers really couldn't play their best five players at any point this season other than a really small cell in game three apart from that. They couldn't play their Best Buy Best Buy players at the same time and that's that's a real problem. I think going into next season. So is your issue with Gordon that he can't stay healthy or that you don't think that they have enough muscle in the middle to be competitive enough when the playoffs come around? Yes, all of them man. And that makes me Johnny Carson off. Yeah, it's it's all the above man. It's it's the problem is like it's totally the fact that they can't it's less so muscle honestly, I mean I think but I think that the issue is you need an answer for bringing them out of Bio you need an answer for Giannis antetokounmpo. You need an answer for these togs. Athletic guys who are just taking your lunch money in the middle, you know, and we can say it's it's you know, I mean, I think theis frankly was dead. Outstanding player performed well above expectations this season really had a good season. I think really got his lunch money taken in a lot of opportunities particularly in the in the Miami series. He does some good stretches as well game three. I thought he had some good instructors. The overall really was not up to the challenge. And and this is where I get on break out and I say why didn't we have more time Lord? Why didn't we have War Grant Williams and I'm not saying rookies in a command and go to going to take care of this situation but like wage Williams was on the floor for the biggest off of the season for the celibate. He's the one that locked up Fred Van Vleet and locked up game 7 for them, you know, maybe they when they you know in different play or whatever, but but he's the guy that did that and you know, I thought frankly it gave six he played pretty well. And so I you know, I just His Brad's inability to want to play the younger players is really strange and not very frustrating and and it basically starts get around. Yeah, a couple of bright spots along the way George downward decline in the postseason began with game three against Iran Iraq, I think and his effect cuz think about every game leading up to that all of Philly the first two games against Toronto. It was all about how much she was doing on offense to set those pics and set it up so that you know Tatum had an easy lane or Kemba had an easy Lane and I don't know if this was totally managed by the zone now or not, you know, I maybe you would be able to answer that better than I would but I don't know if the Zone basically negated off. Theis is typically doing you know, and it's not always a pick-and-roll pick either right? It's a lot of so much positional stuff. You would have thought that that still would have helped in the zone. At least I do because those are still you're supposed to drive into the zone right when the Celtics had success breaking down the Zone they were driving into the middle of it. And then maybe they were sneaking it out and whatever you would think that that tice's, you know Effectiveness that was being touted through those first, you know, six games would have continued to play out. And and and in most mostly I don't know if we put the blame on the players for not driving and not creating an opportunity for ties to do that or if we put it on tight. But either way ties is Effectiveness on offense, especially I remember the Toronto series. He was just starting to take more and more 3-pointers, you know, like I'm still a threat because he wasn't doing the other things and I thought Self he's a decent Defender, but he's not so Superior to everybody else on the roster even Canter to some degree because if you're going to get the defensive rebounds how many, how many rebounds did the Celtics allow, you know in that Toronto serious, once it started to turn and and the same thing, you know in in quite a few of the games of Miami assuage second and third chance opportunities. That's the reason they got canner and so my point is is like once theis is ability to defend and stay out of foul trouble against big bigger men in the middle. I'm not sure it's that big of a drop-off to go to kannur and at least you've got a freaking shot and he'll on the boards. Yeah. I think it's a drop-off fundamentally is a job not even that it's like I mean canners insurgence in to the lineup in game three against Toronto was really where that serves went off the rails, you know from that on Thursday. He goes in for four minutes. He's a minus. Like I don't think he scored four points, but they were like a mine and he was like minus 8 or minus 11 of those minutes a little more minutes and and off from that point. They found their their Mojo and from that point on really that series was a bit more of a dog fight and his inability to defend is absolutely killer, you know, and there's there's definitely times when for what he makes it's it's not like, oh my God, you know, you know get rid of him throw, you know, he's not garbage. But but the problem is, and Robin Williams was the reason the Celtics found their Mojo and reasserted themselves right here. It is very situational, you know and can't access right off against Olynyk, but that's one of the problems, you know, you kind of need to invest in Williams Because the problem for Williams is not seen the game fast enough. It's not that the Talib Not they're not that he doesn't understand it. It's just that defensively. He's lucky enough to have some athleticism that covers for the fact that his anticipation isn't quite there. But we talk about these players every year like year 3 is when the game starts to slow down and he definitely played way better after he but he missed a lot of games for injury as well. But the point is is I think you gotta just go all-in on Williams and let him learn during the regular season in the hopes that in the postseason it all comes together over the next several years and Grant Williams is probably your guy off the bench along with theis and then maybe you know can or situationally and I'm not trying to take Tice like way down these notches, you know, maybe he's the guy that is more, you know, maybe splitting time off the bench and you know, Rob Williams going to get into foul trouble so dead. Reapply in time for those guys and if there's a match up one night or another you give them more time, but but as much as I love ties, they were touting him as like a championship-caliber starting a center and I just don't think that's the case anymore. He played like I mean, I I think until that you just said about Midway through that trauma surgeons. I thought he played like it and he had great runs and I mean, I think it was a game five of drama series that he you know, I thought there were moments where he was, you know, really a supreme player. And you know, I wonder if it's you know, I think or if your words down I mean the guy with that frame to play that position and and to be the way that he is against the players that he had to play against right? Right, right. I mean, he, you know going against him being going against Gasol going against Ibaka. I mean that just that adds up I think for that there and then and then bam bam right off. That's that's a that's a tough run, you know, and and I the Celtics roster construction, you know, I think it makes sense you invest your money in your wings and guards and you well, there's nothing they can do now. That's why I say Rob Williams. You know what? I mean? It's Gotta Be Rob Williams cuz he's got the upside on it and you have his right so you can suck em, and there's all of that it makes sense to just invest in that kid cuz you're not going to get an upgrade at Centre any other way than the drought. I think it's Rob. I think it's Brave. I think it's I mean, I think that you gotta see what you have in those situations and I think I don't believe personally I don't believe that Brad did enough of that in the bubble, you know, and maybe you know, they had practices and and you know, who knows but I felt like there wasn't enough Rob Williams. There wasn't enough Grant Williams and and I understand why you're in the play-offs but dead. But I felt like the time to do that was you know through the bubble get those guys and see what you got there. And I think Frank you feel like that's more of a Doc Rivers move totally off the way the he's getting Street and we're going to talk quite a bit about doc here in a second cuz we don't talk about Doc Rivers. That's that's a whole like a showing of itself off but although Jesus. It's a dumpster fire. Yeah. Oh man, but yeah, I I I think that they're the biggest life just to pull back. You're absolutely right. So did a great job and being able to take advantage of this season do as much as do much more than we anticipated. That's great. So now he's out. We know we have we have a potential MVP candidate and Jayson Tatum. We have a certainly an all-nba candidate and in jail and brown. I think we have a dog Defensive player in in Marcus Smart who has become better rounded as as a as an offensive threat, I think we have in Kemba when healthy considerably still get tickets and still do those things though. His size is is a liability defensively. Yep. It's a nation. We have hating it up on offense. It's too much of a problem that I would say then but but then to go to Hayward, I think we saw that there were moments when healthy when you know kind of able to do what he can do showed that that he's absolutely a super sized piece that can integrate so many of these different components. The problem then is cable then what about the center position? What about and I think that price did great. I think if he's one Cog in the wheel you feel good about that. You need more cogs, you know, I think the draft I mean there's just going to be listened with the salary. They're going to have committed to Jalen and and Tatum and then they're going to have to commit more salary to smart right than and it probably means that hayward's gone. Anyway with all of those pieces in play. I don't know you can only look at what they have. And what's in the draft unless you know, you're going to try to package pics with a Hayward and trade for somebody but I'm just not sure that that gets you where you need to go and financially, you know, that's another machine, you know, gigantic salary to go with three Max's on the roster and in a market smart expect wage. Pay raise, you know, I mean, yeah, you got one more year, but you're right. That's a it's a big problem. And and then you you kind of take it this and you say there isn't that off center of it's going to be a walk into you know, this this, you know this walk out of this draft. You're not I don't I don't think anyone thinks the next damn at a biome easiest route right off now no one thought would be about about going to be a lot of Bio when that draft was happening, but I don't think anyone looking at this draft and saying there's even a guy at his position who's, you know, kind of in that spot that kind of fourteen, you know range or or even the later picks 2016 Thirty, you know, so also you've got all these young players. So what do you do? I mean I think wage to consolidate I mean, there's got to be some consolidation now hear what you're saying in terms of like I think you do you need to try to see what you have with these these centers and some of these pieces but like dead You your your lot your rosters loaded like you have to I think to me when I looked at that playoff series. I saw a team that had multi-talented Be A Champion for mermaid champion in Iraq had a veteran in and Jae Crowder and Meyers Leonard had I mean their bench the Miami bench and I'm not I'm not just trying to like, oh Miami's perfect and took one out stuff and it drives me crazy for this like it's not, you know, just having these guys but you'd honest Haslam. They were veteran pieces on that bench that looked that stuff matters. Like I really believed it's not doesn't help you necessarily, you know, how many points how many rebounds and all that but to have those players available and have them to help the create that culture is a really big deal with Franklin Kelly Olynyk special a conference files to so you got veteran players. The Celtics were the youngest team in the playoffs the youngest team of the playoffs the smallest team in the playoffs, and I don't and I don't think Those are bad things but I think what it speaks to is there needs to be veteran leadership on that team more veteran leadership on that feed. You need a guy who can who can you know, you know add to that voice and wage. I think that there's positives and Brad Stevens wanting, you know, everyone to have an equal voice and trying to you know, give the younger players more agency and what they do, but honestly like wage I think we saw Miami team where those younger players were able to step up because they were getting that encouragement and controlling from from those those older pieces that were on the bench that didn't need minutes. You don't I don't think he's playing ten minutes all season. But the point is he was there to help shape and guide and grow and I felt like this team really struggled because you're not getting that from Carson Edwards. You're not getting from Tremont Waters. You don't get it from Taco Fall. You don't get it from you know, Javonte green. I love those guys. I want to grow those players, but and there's there's a valve. Trying to say like take a whole bunch of good. Hope they limit it works out. But we had said it's going to be all about the network doesn't help you win any games know it's all about the mid-level and the veteran exception right choice, you know, you're not going to package any of these players up and go get a veteran that is going to make any kind of substantial difference. Right might still be better to have a veteran but you're not going to get a veteran his I mean, yeah, you could trade for a Donuts Haslam if you wanted somebody like that on the bench and to your point you're saying there's value there, but I'm I'm not sure that they're really going to make any kind of difference on the court. And so yeah, you get packaged up Carson and Tremonton whatever and maybe there's a team, you know that wants to get some younger players, but the issue is, you know, nobody's really expecting any of those to hit at all right with anything substantial so there's just not dead. There's not a lot of benefit to it. So it's it's going to be all about the mid-level and the better and they're even a veteran exception anymore or is it just the league minimum? I can't even remember off the taxpayer the taxpayer mid-level, which is which is worth Consultants will be on and I think I think the veteran yeah because they don't think they use that last year. I think it was either you can use it every other year or something to that effect. Yeah. I know it changed. There's always the vet minimum right you can do a vet minimum but there's the there's the buying by clicking the exception I think you know, so yeah and so yeah, I think you're right you got to use that mid-level again not knowing that this team would be able to be in competition the engine using work to try to get a team now that was even in the position it would it was and they got a lot more out of this team and they should have but now we know right now we know the home. The holes are front court. And yes, we knew that but there was only limited means to deal with that issue last July now, I think Danny has very clear marching orders in terms of what he needs to improve to me. They've got a shooter they can add a better guard behind kembo and they gotta find a way to improve the very least a better guard behind not just smart. Well, I think I think the issue is when they run into the small the small driver line-ups, you know, I think they still struggle with the snow guards, you know gets the one thing that come home. I should say that the markets are the hard time with is staying with smaller guys. So I think they do need someone who you know carsen Edwards have been that guy could swim at Waters because I'm not sure possibly now we know that I mean, you know, I think the earlier things can change I think Romeo Langford and has no room to grow but obviously his injury doesn't need help in anyway in in in trying to see what he can do next year, you know for me, you know, look at Langford as the as the Hayward, you know fill in a spot wise not not that he could be Hayward but he moves into that those minutes almost guaranteed. Yeah, I think that's exactly right and then you know, yep. He's the biggest the biggest issue from going back to the roster construction piece is that you need your best five players need to be able to play together. I mean, it sounds silly but like I don't understand I've been a big believer in trying to run that best five lineup. I still don't think that they have proven without a doubt. It can't work. I would keep trying it if I can't find a way to home and Hayward into something. I still leave. There's a chance he could opt out and sign a lower contract for you know, a number of years out all those things could happen. But just in terms of a, you know to can a fantasy basketball selling to me I would be looking to try to turn Gordon Hayward contract into either one or two pieces that provide something to me in the in the in the frontcourt. They just this league we can unless you're you're Joell embiid. You can run in just about any Center any big Center off the court like a task and Ed. That's just where we are. Now, you know what? I mean? Let us cater can play regular season minutes, but you're going to get played off the floor and and fourth quarter or the second half of of most NBA playoff games. And and so the Celtics need to have more answers from that type of of game too. And and they also need some leadership from the the older players, you know, and and Kemba and needs a healthy with me. A doubt. Yeah. All right. Let's go to Doc Rivers believe it or not John. We've been talking for nearly a half-hour just on that. Amazing amazing at least three months more to talk about it. I know I guess the only thing in like am I squeezing some draft talking like, why would I squeeze the juice is out of like how we're going to sustain this baby. So let's let's just talk about doc because she's out and and I'll even say you know again, I joined Bob Manning last night. He was kind of talking about it and he thought it was surprising, you know, just because of the bubble being such a weird environment and I was like doesn't matter man. It's excuses and dog orange underachieved with a group that got blown up. They started over they won the lottery at the end of the day, you know, there's just only so much ROM and regardless of the circumstances. It's still Doc's job, right? So I'm not surprised he got let go but then wage Here or I read that he is hanging out already in Philadelphia watching game one. So, I don't know if they were already talking or what was going on there. But boy, will that add some fuel to the Rivalry between Phila and Boston and really this was the first Blood down here and that's cuz Simmons was injured. Yeah, so like you I'm I'm not surprised that they they moved on I'm surprised. This this goes back to everybody loves dog. Right? Everybody loves dog. Dogs are good guy. And I personally I I you know him I don't you know, sure okay, but obviously people are covering for him because the first time we hear about the the the media talking about the Ducks gotta go off is after he's already been let go, you know what I'm saying? Like that's kind of like, okay. All right. So this is what we're doing now. All right fine. I think that's that just tells you what we need to know about how it works and you know, everybody loves docks or but like let's be honest like like these these Whispers should have been happening long ago wage. And so I so that's that's one piece of it. But the other piece is, you know, right let the next what's next and and if he comes to fill dead And it sounds like he's going to be offered the job at the very least. To me, he's Brett Brown 2.0. I mean you look at Doc Rivers and say oh he's got this figured out. Yeah, he's a little bit more than a brown is a better strategic coach and Doc is still better in managing big Egos and big stars than Brett brown brown, you know, the criticism of Brett Brown was that he didn't hold him accountable enough, right? But let's face it with big Egos and big stars, you know and leverage. That's just not the way you pull that shit off. It's just not you know, and you can talk about it and you and Brett can go ahead and try to get accountability. But the way that the media and the fanbase talk about that accountability. That's something that you that's a that's a Collegiate frame of reference. If I don't give you play in time, it's going to cost. View Money based on draft position. So you either get with the program or you don't get minutes. They don't have that leverage in the NBA. It's a ludicrous. It's a ludicrous angle. It's totally ludicrous and that's or dog is good dog manages locker rooms. He manages personalities, you know, he's a diplomat with everything that most people hate about Doc in a way is what makes them a good coach and it's part of the reason he doesn't like being with the younger players, you know, and it's because he gets the cash a because they're going for a championship. So when you're managing those egos dogs move is this is what we can be so I'm open to sacrifice. If we do those things you can get your goal. That is the key piece of magic to Doc Rivers being able to manage those personalities. If you are a sub five hundred team, he's got none of it. He gets Exposed on the strategy because he either can't get the players to do it the negativity in the locker room. It's a grind and it's you know, there's nothing diplomatic to be about except. Let's just take it one day at a time. And if he's not really helping the players develop them. They're also not you know buying in so his magic and I think he's well aware of this. His magic is I can motivate a group that's really got a shot in the postseason and that's it. And I leverage that to get them on board the program and I can You know I can deal with scenarios that come up there are uncomfortable because I play the long game and I don't get too high and I don't get too low. And that's yeah, and and I think that that's that works. I think it works better in situations where you have self-motivated players and I don't think he has that with Philly. I believe he has players with motivation, but I don't know that they have the type of self-motivated doesn't have like the rice ball. Berth. Jimmy Butler didn't fit. There is a reason he left right? He wasn't the right veteran to get that crew together. Right, and I think that that way too in your face. Yeah, because those guys are soft. I don't think I don't think they know what it takes to win and they can't handle that. They say they are millennials know you were going to say that no, but I I feel it. We just lost have an elicitor base way to go all five of them. You just lost the left off know but like look, I mean those those Philly team Simmons and wouldn't be one they never they will never fit together. He is not the one of those guys who's going to find a way to make that work. That's just you know, his best guys right now are either looking for head coaching jobs on their own and Houston or LA or or part of the front office in a in a way. So, you know, he's he doesn't really have anybody to bring with him to him's is got the New York job. So all doc has himself right now dead. And all he has is and he's what he has four players or mixmash group of players that have been acquired by the Philadelphia 76ers wage that were never going to work together and so in an ideal circumstance, you know, he has players to fit. He doesn't you know, he well he had kg and Paul and Ray and Rondo and I mean that was the perfect fit for those guys right part of their careers right part of skills off each other. I mean it was it was ideal, you know, even in even the Clippers where you had Chris Paul he had Blake and he had erratic and younger Jordan. I mean that team was was very powerful very strong team. You know, he's got those those pieces that I have yet to see anyone tell me how they're going to put Ben Simmons and Joell embiid together in any sort of off lamp. It makes sense and then little screw on top the 27 million dollar man angrily for for our guy Al Horford. It just it doesn't work. It just doesn't work. It'll be it's going to be tough on Doc. You're absolutely right. It's not a it's not going to be a great position. But dogs also gotten teams like that to trade players. So keep that in my life. Yeah, I mean I I but they're so stocked up with he's got players of sinus tree Asian Thursday. We're all stocked up with go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here. Is that what you yeah, I mean there there there's no way they're going to have any sort of cap space any time soon and you've got your giant Tobias Harris contract like giant Al Horford contract there to most tradeable pieces are the Cornerstone pieces that they don't want to touch with their cornerstones that don't fit each other. So I just you know for dogs sake I hope it gets paid. Well, I think it's going to add a lot more heat to the Philly Boston rivalry wage. I think Boston's can come out ahead and it because of the world of game is and you know, of course Doc is trying to run an offense out of you know, 2005 instead of an offense right at home. 22021 that's just you know, that's where it's going to be but I I don't know I'm not I'm not surprised were here. I was hoping though he'd say in the Western Conference and I really don't like Brewing against him. I mean, I'm I'm not a fan of his for the way he left his I am a selfish gain a year later is out the door. I mean that bothers me a continues to bother me this day but it's still prefer for the Western Conference. Just I don't want to have to hear it but I don't often have to hear it. Yeah. Yeah well. Looks like you're gonna have to hear it. Looks like that's why it's going to be bro. Looks like that's the way it's going to be. I think you're right though awkward fit. All right. We'll just have to wait and say what any other immediate I don't want to talk about the finals. I'll just be honest with you. I could give two Flying Foods. He's a plane enough about the refs. So I'm just done with that. You know time to move on Celtics are still responsible for their you know outcome. So, Anything else that's come up that you think we should talk about. I mean, we kind of wrapped up the season. Well, we certainly have more and not get into more. You know, we are talking about three graphics and right outside of the draft agree. That's my I want to leave meat on the bone. And by the time we're probably go back to our every other week status at this point, you know we go into gosh. It's so weird to call this the off-season right but we're going to go into the offseason mode. This used to be preseason. Oh, yeah, this is like a training camp just about to get started and you go talk about media day. And yeah, I know it's a weird. It's a weird time, you know, I mean, there's no commitment for when everything gets ramped up again and if they're going to do it at the bubble and he said, you know still Adam Silver said today that that you know Christmas Day realize for Monday will be January but still something to shoot for that's good. I I I do a lot of time off that's really interesting. Don't you think the players Union's going to kick back on that a little bit odd? Look at the look at the teams that didn't play though. You know what I mean? Like they've been out since March, you know, so there's like, you know, you don't want to build it off that but you know, there's been what I mean. So six six about half of the all the all the teams have been off at least since early August, so that's two months right there off. So, you know, I don't think it's yeah, that's like four or five months. I mean, it's different the wear-and-tear stuff. I mean, I think the Celtics and and you know, these carpets finalists and found the final, you know, the tubes in the in the well the Conference Finals was all four teams. I'm sure that they'll want as much time as possible. So I'm just thinking about that Family. You're going to have to solve for Walker. They're going to solve the family thing. There's no way I don't think a bubble. I don't think that's going to happen. I think the bubble bath is is done. I think I think that they're going to they're going to play in arenas and travel and they may do some things with with scheduling but I think what about sites No fans. No way. Nope. I don't see it. I don't see fans. I mean, I think there'll be some of its kind of the NFL right where you know your family man or outages. Yeah, but I don't see I don't see a you know, eighteen thousand fans pouring in to TD Garden until there's a vaccine, you know, and and then some wage because you're going to need that that time for it to it's not going to be tomorrow despite what you might have heard in the presidential debate. It's like the, you know the day after the vaccines announced everyone's inoculated not how it works. So well a lot of people are going to want to be inoculated. The the other piece of it, right? So until you have until they get the interesting conversation start to come about right all the people that don't want to be inoculated yet. Everything's been shut down and then they then people start looking at the demographics and say I'll take my chances right that's going to be an interesting time and especially cuz the presidential debate will be behind. I mean the debate the first debates behind this but we have two more the presidential election would be behind us which you know, they create a different environment for evaluating the world, but but it is still going to be interesting because I'm just I'm are we going to let people just decide right? Like as long as the people who are high risk or whatever whatever as long as we inoculate enough that's going to be enough, you know, does that pull people back in the stands? But they, you know, do 50% capacity similar to what we've seen with with bars and whatnot. Once once it got cuz I kind of feel like the the movement on Thursday says once the general public has the opportunity to choose something right right. Now, there's no choices home and I feel like that's what is causing. The biggest issue here is I mean, you do have a choice you have a choice to not wear the masks and be you know, kind of going against the grain depending on the state and none of them. Now, you know, you may have a choice in your county to cancel football or not or fall sports or whatever like there's definitely some choices but when it comes right down, Down to there's no options. There's an and to protect yourself and you know other than where the mask or don't don't leave your house right down and you know, that's going to be the biggest thing. Here's the options. What are we going to do? You know, and then it'll be a lot of Education. I I wonder I know business office changed right? I can tell you from first-hand experience working with three different companies through this. Business will never be the same. You know, I'll be traveling for the very first time next week. I haven't traveled since the beginning of the pandemic. I'm going to be on a plane. Wow, I used to travel every single week all sure all the time. I haven't traveled in seven-plus months, you know, what's ironic is when this all hit I canceled the truck Tampa. That's where I'm going. I'm actually flying to the place. I canceled my last trip. So it's ironic that my first trip is to the exact same place. I was headed that it was like outbreak everything shutting down. I was like, I'm not getting stranded down there and trying to drive home and then rental so but but the point is is business is different. I will never travel like that again. There'd be a need businesses are doing it differently. They're actually seeing cost Savings in ways to increase profitability without cutting back on productivity and cutting back on staff, you know. Some of them are surviving obviously service Industries bars restaurants. They're getting killed my yeah, but brutally brutally and it's sad. But I almost wonder like is sports going to be different forever. I mean is the way that cuz this wasn't good enough, right? This was pacifying they might play in some empty Arenas off, but there's going to be some Innovation that comes out of this because they're not going to survive not pack in the stands financially. They're not going to survive not putting not putting back seats in those seats and right and they're going to have to find another way and whatever that way is could end up being the permanent way. So I'm I'm just interested in your take, you know, do you think do you think it'll ever go back to a similar kind of thing or do you think that the way Sports is even Thursday? We watch sports consume Sports and everything else. Do you think it's like going to be totally revolutionized as a result of this? I mean like, how could I not be right? I mean, how how do we not have a situation where people do Sports different life congregating, you know and math but let's say they come out with an inoculation the numbers go way down. They find out that you know plenty of people who are asymptomatic still build immunity like oh, you know, all these things come into play and they literally say, you know, it's totally safe to congregate back to normal, you know, that's not going to happen overnight. But let's say we get to that in two years don't you think that the types of innovations that will have to happen between now and then may just change the sport altogether vs. Just oh, yeah great. We're back out in the seats and wage rata cuz that experience that game experience is unbeatable, right? So do you think it'll just when when it can happen will it just return to that you know, or will they have done something wrong? Really different in the next you know, ten months. I mean we're talking about just the NBA. I don't know how they fill a gap own forty percent of Revenue right with god. Well, you know charging people, you know exorbitant sums to you know, to be in the arena If you experience it first-hand now if you want to say, well look, you know, we can go up on our Carriage fees ESPN and we can pay even more for our our basketball package. Okay. Now I'm now I'm listening but I own now today. I don't think that there's a I don't think that there's a an amount that people are saying yeah, I'll pay, you know pay everyone is going to say that they're going to pay monthly pass. Basically the only way you get the NBA's if you have legal path, I don't see that happening. I don't see that that grows the game. I don't see that against them. And because I don't think that's the only way I could see them getting to a point where wage Somehow make up that that Gap right? There's no way there's no way doubt it. So so is there a leak the information for the salary standpoint? Does the product get better? Because some teams fold and then the talent gets redistributed so that the competitiveness of the game and the cuz there's been complaining about that that the leads to watered-down, you know, you get one Superstar on a team or you know, definitely to when it's all over right? It's all she wrote and look at the clamoring for a Kauai. That's that may be the best move, you know, and I don't know who you do that too. Right? But but but you're still you're still even to if you make the products smaller and have fewer players to play you still going to have 17 on each on each roster in every city, you know what I mean to still dead. you know, I don't know that that the I guess the the way that it shrinks really does exactly what you want to do in that case. You know, you still going to have 17 people that you're going to fill out on a roster and you still you know, maybe you know, maybe each player is making a little bit less because there's not like I'm saying I know I know I know but I don't I don't know that that I know that gets you far enough that like, you know, the the the the more mouths the bigger the pie I think you know, so I don't know that that the proportions of the pie change is just the pies larger, you know, if you have more teenagers or or steam. I don't know that the proportions really are altered by by doing that but somehow you got to find additional sources of revenue I guess is the point, you know, and I don't know. I don't know that you can get there. I don't know what you can get there by saying. Well the product is more dynamic because we've got 26 teens instead of thirty, you know, you can tracked, you know, where we want to say exact ramento and you know, Memphis and I'm just picking small markets, you know, Indiana and whoever the Lakers off, you know, you can track your choice. I mean, you know, I just I don't see how the Celtics get first pick in the wage exit the retraction of the contraction draft. Yeah, right. I mean I just yeah, I think that there's they're stuck with I think they could contract things are profitable and and they shut down, you know, but I don't know. I mean that's I think it's more likely that salaries are cut. I think that's probably the most likely situation that there's there's shrinkage of salary. You know, we've seen that actually I think the NHL could did some of that baseball did some of that and the NBA didn't because they were already well underway and you know, they kind of down the road I guess a bit more with their plan for the summer but you know one more year of trying to pay regular, you know, a regular eighty-two game regular season out off when you have or sixty percent of the revenue you're used to idle League. It just doesn't work. And so that's that's why we talked about what's going to happen next year. There's so much that's unknown in terms of how we can plan for building a roster because the underpinning of the whole league is based upon the kind of 40% of lost dog. Yep, so you got basketball related income and if you don't have that back now, the other thing is that the cap wouldn't normally be adjusted so negatively because there was a big portion of the revenue for last year and already been received by the time the pandemic it so, you know, the July one, you know, usually they go through that makes like a cap the year of whole thing. We were well into the Year by the by the point where that happened now sort of all the playoff revenue and everything from March whatever thirteen and on was dead was was gone, but there was quite a bit already taken in to so I don't know it's this is going to be a fascinating two months of how the NBA negotiate with the Players Association what they're what they're what they're League looks like come, you know, I guess Christmas day in January, whatever it is because that job That whole, you know structure to me. They're going to go a half step towards a real Draconian thing. I don't think they're going to go Draconian terms of teams like that. But I think they're going to Disney cut salaries. I think they're all use the escrow. Yeah, they're going to have to they're going to have to negotiate it and everybody takes a pay cut that's proportionate except for a minimum threshold. They don't get caught. You know what I mean? They just they take the big ones and bring them back down a little bit. All right. Well, we got plenty of time to talk about that. Thanks everybody for tuning in fact pretty good show I mean We got some we got some weight to do but the offseason may not be as long as we've all been used to in the past. This may move along pretty quickly while the draft in the middle of that page. Um, so this may not feel totally like it has over Summers past but it definitely won't feel like summer outside that as you try to occupy yourself. 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Gordon Hayward Celtics Decision Special

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Gordon Hayward Celtics Decision Special

"Yep. All right, let's do it. NBA. What do we call this guy's just free agency. Is this pre-draft? What is it from Baton Rouge? NBA offseason show. This is Wild Wild West day to yeah, so we're we're underway today was today was already pretty pretty Bonkers NBA off Seasons always lit. I usually have a little bit of time to digest everything but this is Turbo style. So we had a bunch of things going on today including really interesting news surrounding Gordon Hayward a couple of tracks already happened and another trade appears to be imminent, which is absolutely going to rock the balance of power in the Eastern Conference in the entire NBA. Let's say that John was not a good thing. This is a good thing wage. It's a great thing for the entertainment value of it. But first off we're going to talk about a few different things. We want to talk about our sponsor, which is minimum wage. Games and they're awesome and you get 20% off and free shipping with the code. Jimmy season of the upper corner Gardens. Yep, Garden 20 at manscaped.com. So do that job right away and you're going to get a whole bunch of stuff will tell you about on the ball washer. I don't know if you've got everything. It's awesome. I think it depends all of it. You won't share a thing if somebody typing I don't know I hear that to see if you look at my hands. No clicking and clacking. This is Faith in the court. Let's start with the news. So the Celtics important here where they're supposed to Seriously, what is that? I had no idea. It feedback think it's from John. I think it's Mike from your house. I disagree. What was that? Another window open? No, we're going to keep going will fly through it off for the Celtics are supposed to have a deadline today at 5. It didn't happen. It got extended. Both sides have that option and they moved it to Thursday. Now, this is super interesting for a lot of reasons and not one. I think means get Bobby we were talking before we went on air that this has to signify the Gordon's not coming back next year because if you look at what Thursday we means if you were to opt-in he would opt in and whatever happens happens. This is I leave or let's work out some sort of sign-and-trade and that appears to be where we are right now. Is that what you said the vibe? You guys are getting joe sway. Yeah. No question. That's that's the big sign for advice for sure. And and I think the way I look at it is and what it's doing something like big solid right now. I know we heard reports that he's fiddling portrayed to start off. But maybe that's exactly what this whole thing is. Maybe Gordon wanted to stay or maybe you want to weigh his options and once the suffix decided that to move on from him. He sort of asked him to play ball here and maybe that's why he's affected. Whereas most free agents would keep it moving. But then again most reasons are like going hey would rather unique situation. So maybe it's a sort of a a way that helped him, you know help the something to help him and find a team that he used to drive in in a certain situation. But yeah for sure I'm picking up Vibes also job because if I'm Gordon Hayward and something I mean like let's get a deal done here, you know if I'm going to Euro, so I'm thinking oh what kind of trade you go to dangle me and and I'm hoping to have your trust and now you're going to let me okay my next team. Well, I I want everyone else to start here, but I don't think it's a one with solid here. I think it works both hit on a Jose way, which is this spans the list of teams. We're we're here would go before we were looking at it and and what else maybe one other with the cap space to just sign in and log Next to sign him out right next. Yeah, you know and so those options limit it here you have you can open it up to a whole bunch of different teams and create a lot of options. There was a report as well that the Celtics tried to package Hayward. This is said this I believe they tried to package him and picks for the holiday things. So the stuff we were talking about earlier in the week. Um, it seems like it was real. I mean that they were they're trying to move around move pics try to get in on holiday who they really like for whatever reason will get into that more but just your thoughts on how this Hayward thing breaks or Bobby so that report in particular definitely lends credit to what you're actually saying about this seems to be imminent at the end of the Celtics and we're in Hayward relationship off and cut off any chance of the two sides coming together entirely though because of the fact that Hayward signing options are fairly limited as we talk about New Opportunities might be coming up with the heat or other team. Because of what might happen with the honest this weekend those teams have been trying to keep cap space open for next summer for the Sienna situation. But as of now, you're still talking about the Hawks you're still talk about the next and some awful teams that Hayward has this leverage. It's not a great amount of Leverage for him to walk away. I've been big on the Hawks all along as a possible destination for him and they've been interested in bogdanovich Thon Rondo. They want to spend their not being careful with their money right now and Hayward is still the best option for them where your team like Atlanta almost like, you know, the same thing with Boston a few years ago. It benefits you've spent because then you have at the very least a tradable assets sitting on that money and having it do nothing doesn't really do anything for you. So if you see somebody and they want to sign with you you by all means go for it. She could fit he'd be a really good. Yeah. So the point for the Celtics is that they have a significant amount of Leverage here and they want to get an appropriate return for Hayward cuz if you losing Hayward this team is much worse. If you don't get the right kind of people average only if Hayward absolutely doesn't want to go to the Hawks or the Knicks if he does if that's a fine Plan B. They don't have a ton of Leverage here. So they gotta make em work which means it might take cents on the dollar Jimmy your thoughts. Yeah, I'm a little surprised to see I guess come to this. I don't know maybe when you basically everything that's happened since the signing. I guess I shouldn't be but you know, we got one report that Danny tried to shop Kathy Walker to every team that would listen and now we got another one saying, you know, we try to shop Gordon Hayward or whatnot. But listen we talked about in previous videos If Gordon Hayward walks the Celtics suck are sitting there with nothing, right? So it's definitely in their best interest to exhaust all options. And I think it it's in Gordon hayward's best interest to that's why they're that's why they're both agreeing to this extension of this deadline because it's going to benefit both of them, you know, you wouldn't get both sides agreeing to this if if somebody who's in the driver's seat, right? So I definitely think that they're working together here. They you find some sort of long-term and you know, and I think it was cute it who said, you know, they're you know, they're you know, if Gordon Hayward has to be traded it's going to be a sign-and-trade which does open things off because the teams are in Lots of teams interested. That's the other interesting thing here is like you've got people lining up for him or Services which again to the to the fans out there and we've had ton of them in the chat just get rid of him. I hate em, you know, the the swings listen is the Celtics Tuukka, you know, like he is you know, what before it was Al but I mean, it's the love payment would be unreal. This is so ridiculous and I'm so ready to see this coming to an end. It's driven me crazy the last two years. Okay under the amount of vitriol the sky gets I like the song so I don't want this to happen. But I almost want to see him walk see how that he does without him and nothing in his place and have all the Celtics fans just be an Agony like, oh we did for life and give Heyward enough credit because this they rely on this guy quite a bit like they're going to need a fairly. You set it on our thread. They are apt walks for nothing there no longer a title Contender with this particular. Why are you making a sound like like, you know, he's been I don't know how long it took away. Everything steps up a notch and we saw it in the postseason in the bubble and they would hurt the something succeeded without them. All right? Okay. Well the point stands you still need again appropriate wage replacement for him and therefore I get that but I don't think I just look like you just Overlook how frustrating this whole thing has been for Celtics fans. Like maybe next deal. You finally get him. Okay, he's not healthy. Okay u e z. Okay, probably it's healthy when the subjects. Do you hear most the postseason? He's a ghost. I'm sorry. I'm talking about food Hayward. I mean, come on. Let's face it off. A few weeks that they flukes anymore every few weeks. There was an injury in November and there was an injury and when when were we doing these jobs? I thought he was fighting through a screen and he broke his frigging our soldiers talking about his ankle hurts like do or were you doing when everybody was in court date? Like how are you injured and everyone else is like better health wise especially Kimbo Even though three months. It's not let's not forget them. I stayed in the bubble Foster the injury two weeks early help the Celtics get a win and gain 5 and then, you know, it's fizzled out from there. But this guy has shown resiliency for this team. And he's the young he's been there he listened to a higher level and maybe it's a capo by age, but I still agree with him and believe that if this guy is healthy there in the NBA finals last name. Exactly everyone, but it's just frustrating this point. I don't blame something strange. I really don't know who's to say it's not going to be healthy next year. I mean, there's not any risks with him full thing. I'd love to see it. But I love to see it or you know, what? Why don't tell me just put them on ice and then put them out there and March maybe it's a time thing. Honestly. I'm not trying to make a joke here. Maybe you know ten months. This is a lot for his body at this point. Who knows maybe something though. It's something to it. Well, this is the issue that face in here. They have to aging they from Hayward and our go ahead Jimmy. We've been talking too much. No, no, I want to I think I'm on a little DeLay So I I think I was going to at this point. I am so just go. Yeah, just all right, so I was going to say this is the problem with the topic Jimmy go back to say no. I mean I don't I mean I don't I honestly don't even know where to pick up where you guys left off mean it was it was a nice spirited debate. I was I was entertained by it. But I mean, I think we're at Joey's, this is like the Celtics fans some Celtic fans blame Gordon Hayward for his injuries, which I don't think is really that fair. I think that's where Bobby comes in. He's like listening like these are quote unquote fluke injuries can't really blame in Hayward for this when he is healthy. He's like exactly what this team needs and then you have like the jokes Wayside saying when when you know, good question win or if like this guy's never healthier, is he going to be healthy? We have one thing left now on this deal and if we don't truly believe that he is ever going to be able to put it together, you know, when the way that they anticipated when they signed him then you try to trade and while he still has some value to yep. As you know, you go into the season and he gets hurt again. That's it. You know, I mean, that's really the end of the Gordon Hayward experiment and you're standing there with with the team that you already said isn't good enough to win in the NBA Finals with so I want to say this to the people who just want to dump them to or get turn or get anybody or anything for him. That's not Joe sway Joseph. I understand the need to get a good return here and you know, push this point forward. I'm not totally against trading Hayward. If you get the right returns, if you get the right contracts, this could make all the sense in the world to push this forward, but if you don't do well here if you get guys that are worse than Hawarden. Yes Turner's are worse higher than Hayward you're in a much worse spot for the next two years. And those are still your Prime contention years with this team and a healthy Hayward still gives you the best chance to win the race two years. That's not worth playing for I keep telling you that's not what you're playing for. I disagree take a step back to take you might have to take one step back to take two steps forward with this team. Okay. Hayward is lost. I believe I believe God. He was going to leave and if he leaves for nothing after this year, you're left with nothing. You'll have to get something of value. Even if it's cents on the dollar. It's actually extremely likely if Danny pulls off a trade that he's going to get significantly less than Hayward. So this notion that you only do it if it works wrong. Also, the Celtics don't have leverage. Everybody knows they've got rid of Hayward or risk losing him for nothing and and they don't want to make three pics. So Danny is not at all dealing from a position of strength. So when they make this deal which they ultimately that will they're going to get something less than Hayward and everyone's going to have to live with it. And that's a I think that's a fact and it's not great. It just is what it is. well, that's why you probably hi why you jumped at the Jewish holiday chance because you know, he's got these topics that they they don't need can't use they may be more valuable to another team if if he's so lucky and that's yeah sure take off college ethics and take ordinary will take your holiday. Even though he's thirty years old. He's a great two-way player. I think he's so underrated that he might be a little overrated now. I mean, I write a little bit lost faith in terms of what you know, one year deal is getting in return. But if your age like John just said, you gotta you gotta get something for him now before you know, I think every day that goes by perhaps you're going and less already you you guys more worried about the camel Walker situation than you were about. I don't know twenty four hours away. That's another one again, you know, we were on here the other day Joe Sway and you know my take was I'm ready to I'm ready to divest of all of my chemical warfare and I believe Danny is going to trade both. I believe I believe they've been looking to trade off. I really do and I and now you've got the other story out there that basically they're just shopping, you know watching them. They're just shopping several Cambodia reporting. The athletic was what that Danny called everybody. I tried to tried to he did have a a good guys everybody and again, nobody knows a lot of this stuff is smokescreen misdirection and this and that but for somebody to say that my vibe is and this is a natural writer. It's not somebody that was fed. This is a guy who talked to a few people most likely and was like, yeah. Danny called me. Danny called me like it the buzz is he's trying to he's trying to shop Kemba. I don't know and if that's the case, that's that's not great either because they're trying to get out from under I think they see what we're worried about these next three years and might be trying to get out from under this thing quick before that value plummets here, that could be part of a game. I also think you're dealing again from a position of non-leveraged. They're like if if they see it and everyone else knows it like, you know sneaking that pass anybody. They're not going to say. Hey, this is the old Jake Walker you're getting and then just try them in there through the don't even give them a physical. Do you guys offer the Celtics a few years ago Bobby? Okay when you're starved for anyone who might be deemed a star and if somebody dangles one for you, it would was the Kyrie situation again, a different story different player at a different point his career in a different age. But Danny would have hey, yeah, we need Stars we need to get better fast and do anything to make a deal for All-Star caliber player. There might be out there who are like friggin the starting point guard on last year's Eastern Conference All-Star team. Yeah f f yeah, I'll do that. I don't have anything like that right now. So you some people would jump at that wage. You think are you hope plus also people will convince themselves or talk themselves into anything if you want to talk yourself into trading for camping because you want to start and you think you can help elevate a lot of people around you and that's a missing piece need you'll figure out a way to not care so much about the injuries in the maintenance and this and that. I don't think he's totally damaged cuz I just think Danny's like let's move, you know, let's move now cuz again, I think requiring pieces to make sure that they have a competitive roster with tradable assets and things that they can do to be able to acquire that third star down the line when you're looking with you paid off and whatever your the whole point is your building this entire team around to step back to happen right now. I got you. That's what I think you're building this team around Jayson Tatum might be a top-five player and I'm building around him and I've got Jalen and I want to attract another one of their Pals in a couple of years to make sure I can do that here the ship sailed on true holiday, of course we go back. That deal and the possible Miles Turner deal and I think of a roster next year that would have looked like Marcus Smart tatem Brown Turner and Jrue Holiday a point guard and I was thinking that team so much choice and last year it is and so you you're right John like they might be moving into a position where they can pivot those kind of players into another deal but you're losing next season all of a sudden and is not worth it actually think I mean have we not seen with this roster that when Tatum and brown are playing at a high level, you can pretty much get to the Eastern Conference Finals regardless of who else is around you. I mean you're doing without Kyrie Irving a truck with all of a sudden dropped off last quarter and saved the day like I just think this is a huge blow to the Celtics because if Emma Walker thought all the way there like like to John's point, this is a huge step back. This is a huge step and you just sign this guy one year ago dead. It's telling me in in a year or two that he won't be remotely who he is now. And then what does that mean for Jason Tatum? This guy is going to you know, lock in a deal next season. What if he's looking at the looking around thinking this isn't the same team. I was going to do a 4 plus 5 now instead of that five the situation I signed up for what have you signed that extension and his old friend from from Brooklyn calls in but the two guys are off contact Kyrie Irving and Tatum now, it's be a lot more like guys. Oh, yeah. It's b l m worried about cuz there's power off. Yeah, and really you're looking around. It's like where can we land next if it works that it's in your if you do the Heat game, you know, if you're Miami and your Dwyane Wade and you're like I got space wage over here. Hang with me. Miami is pretty cool. Great you moved there if not everybody up and goes to LA or goes to Brooklyn they moved together, you know, so you you need that space you need that spot to be Boston wage. The space I've got a roster around me. You just come in here and on your finger a place. You can go out to yeah, you gotta you gotta trade you in 2 seconds. If you do have that so there's going to be one or two follow-up moves here. Cuz John's right. If you do put the Assets in place for that next move bring in a third big guy to play with brown and Tatum consolidate this even more you do it, but you know how it is about to get dealt. There's other guys around the league that are pretty Locked In Like A Bo the Wizards aren't trading deal under any circumstances here. So you've gotta have that next move in mind you want to be in position to make it but you also have to have ideas for you going to do here. I wonder if there's a guy in the draft cuz they're sending this through Thursday that they have their own mindset is the next great player. Maybe it's okay. Maybe it's Killian Haze, but I do find the time of interesting that they they kick this to Thursday. So all of a sudden you could package Hayward and draft picks to move. Up in the draft. I think that's a much more compelling package than just those three pics or maybe Kemba to I mean, they clearly try to use chemical money. They're trying to get holiday. You gotta take on some through Thursday. We're different would sign off on this guy's doesn't doesn't that give you the idea that he's he's in he's in cahoots with this whole thing right whether it's option b or c he's down for either cuz yeah, I think Jose you have to assume I mean are we being naive or maybe where are we seeing that just him coming back is out the window all together. That's what I think you have to assume at this point. It's very clear that I'm going to I want to see what else I can do and they said let's work a sign-and-trade possibility if it's updating would have opted-in. There's no there I think about how I think I think I think I guess I guess options see which seems distant would be theoretically more time for the Celtics in Hayward to work out an extension if that's possible. So maybe that song But I just doesn't seem like it's going that way it seems like it's I want to opt out and test the waters. Well, why don't we just sign and trade will get you your money. Now, you don't have to wait a year on it that's enticing, you know, you have more destinations wage will get you signed ahead of time ship you off to somewhere else and we're good. Maybe I don't know. It seemed like around the league that the acquisition price for things was going down a little bit with that Dennis Schroder deal with the Chris Paul deal which I thought you know the Oklahoma City got a fairly mediocre return the Covington deal in the holiday deal. Yeah unreal so it's like which way is the acquisition cost going to go to stop see it all depends on your needs though Bobby. Yeah. What position are you in Milwaukee has how many first-round picks his Yiannis worth. Do you a hundred? You're not just trading for the players you're trading for Giannis, you know, like it doesn't matter at that point. And again, I've years they'll take somewhere in that vein with the Tatum thing. We're we're not there yet. But the Yiannis threat is imminent. If you're Milwaukee, you would trade your next twenty first round picks. If you knew you could placate him and get him to see if he leaves there's no amount of assets that he that you can make up for. I like a walk he's doing right now to that team got better. That's the other thing we have to talk about. It's another to be honest around for sure. You better hope right? You better hope that's with him that extension but at least for now they put so you're a bucks fan. You better hope that they went to him and said if we do this you'll stay right and he's like, yeah cool cuz if they just did them, they're like, oh he's like it seems strange, you know food usually gets you know what I just cripple their future bend over backwards to placate a star and he's like, I don't know Miami's kind of a cool place to live and gone this one thing. I've learned over the last few years. Is that going to do what they want to do? It doesn't really at the end of the day. I mean, we saw Kyrie Irving go to Brooklyn. We saw Kawhi Leonard go to the Clippers and that was after he wanted damn championship in Toronto, right? If yo, Wants to leave the box of the Box Jrue Holiday on an expiring deal. You're going to keep him in Milwaukee. I mean, I hate to say the books are the Bucks better this year. They are they both should be absolutely maybe they're hope maybe Milwaukee topaz. Hey, we can get to the NBA finals maybe that up to get Ian has to stay, you know, if don't win maybe it's like unfinished business something like along those lines, but are they a much pull out of the trade? Yes, does it mean that Jonas is redesigning their? Hello. You know, it doesn't just write that doesn't mean that I mean, I'm not saying I'm not saying it's it's hurt their chances, but it certainly hasn't it's their job. Now. You see what Milwaukee's doing. You see what Brooklyn did or brooklynite do I mean Danny Ainge isn't going to just sit on his hands. So I'm wondering if that's playing a part in his office calling Jimmy. Yeah. I mean look if if Kawhi Leonard taught us anything it said winning it in the contract of your might actually be a detriment cuz then it's like cool. Thank God. I'm going to go hang out over here. Now. I got my ring and now you've now you've got bigger Box come out of this Champions any leaves. I still think that feeling pretty good about things because the problem was down last year. They weren't even close to being a championship team. Now. They're at least a little closer to that. Yeah. I think this is wired differently though. I think you get the taste of the NBA Finals. He will commit like he was dead. You know what we don't have a lot more advanced or whatever. So what's up with Greeks have honor is what we have and you're honest you have thought about this for a while now that he's a little different that he's not training with these other guys during the off-season and you know Keith Smith reporting now that multiple sources in the league have told them that they're expecting Yiannis to sign that extension this weekend. So we'll keep an eye on it. I mean that was just the way I don't know how he goes off. The other way right? There you go. That's helpful like that. I want to come on here. We got home. It's come to a lot of heart. There were a lot of heartbroken fans in Toronto this week. I'll say that well, they're happy to see you Bobby. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if they're in the same that's move on but it wasn't here is a real quick. Joseph wasn't wasn't on the last video but Campbell was a big topic and I feel like I was you guys against me you guys were like trade, betrayed Kim and off with that Bobby where you on host you? Okay? I mean she felt that we burn a cross. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. You're sorry. I was saying I was saying bench him down the street thought he was I thought he was hurting us. I thought he was a detriment, you know, I thought he was I thought he was not I mean he couldn't he couldn't score and he was I thought he was a liability at times. Let's move on. We got another dog. Super interesting thing. I need this. I want to inject this directly into my neck. Like I do not care at all. If if would prevent the Celtics from getting a path to the title hardenberg Durant and Irving has to happen Okay, and right now the latest report quote unquote a verbal agreement in place to send hard to the net so it sounds like again, you know, everyone's talking about hard and yet is Anthony Davis moment here. He forced his tent. I want to go here and that's it. And he was just going to ball and go home if he didn't get it a little different. It looks like he's getting it. Okay, and this interesting here this Dynamic this is I want to watch this for the rest of my life, you know, maybe the first time in a fight each other on the court. I I'm pretty sure yeah Kyrie, by the way, I guarantee publicly big smiles. This is great behind-the-scenes. He's thinking like I thought want this to happen. He doesn't want a friend. He brought here cuz the Nets domestic in one place for people to feel this is my point he put this together I conspired. Yeah, you took the words right out John. This is like you go to you know, like all of a sudden the kid from The New School comes over and steals your best friend away. And by the way, they grew up together they grew up together and they're you know about rekindling an old friendship and you're you and by the way, you already have a hard time making friends and you're like anti-social and all that stuff. So this is not good for you. If that if that's you but that's exactly the kind of wasn't let's do one basketball last night give you if you have hardened Durant and carry on the same team. I don't know. I mean yeah on page. You have an All-Star team, right? I mean clearly but how is that going to work in? How are you who's getting involved in two games? Who's taking the shot who was rolling their eyes who's not making the extra pass who is pounding who's you know saying something in the to the media after after the game and and listen Kyrie Irving's already tried to answer to both questions is Kyrie Kyrie Kyrie and curry comb. I know it's tough, but man I can't wait to watch it on if it's why why I'm going to say, I think she would be the first one to request a trade them when things went wrong like hey in that case, they're so pretty. Well this comes down to how good Kevin Durant's going to be and that is how it always is going to be if he stinks that team's not doing anything out if he's great. They're going to work it out because it requires. Yeah Harden, he's been a six-man Before Christmas Steph Curry so they can work around Irving off. Question is whether everything is good enough, but he's going to be healthy enough to be in that position. And if he's not then they're moving forward with hardened Durant. That's still good enough. Like they're going to put everything in the central situation with this team and then they're going to have to find depth around this. This is I mean, everything's going to make this work because he wanted this remember he's the guy questioning the young players didn't want to Jared earliest. I'm not sure why these guys are not GM's. Okay. This is a freaking nightmare constraint. Nothing around you you get those two pieces the pieces that you know, all the other super easy to grab and able to pull it off like every you know, we see the so many times again, right even if they get that I just think this isn't a situation where what door and walked into and Golden State right? That was an established culture already off a close-knit group. That was so close that it reportedly didn't even even know that he was the best player on that team right? There were wanting right like this. This is really talking about Starting a new culture with their new coach that may handpicks and steam Nash to create an entire culture a winning culture and then bring in someone like James Harden. That's yeah. I don't know. I don't I'm not a betting man. But all of these guys need develops as well when you compare it to the Lakers or a lot of a couple of other, you know, top-notch teams and where they are with their chemistry and how things are going, you know respect to each each top team in the east and west the Lakers. I mean, let me get back to this topic guys. I got to pay some bills first. Okay, we got we got to pay the bills. We have the manscaped our our our sponsor Garden report brought to you by manscaped and we're here to remind you to take care of your biggest grooming and hygiene needs from head to toe package all-in-one manscape performance package kit. So what do you get here? 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That's that's what we got there. So give me you were on. Let me get back to you cuz you were on Harden the hardened situation there. Well, I think the last thing I said was if your heart and why I mean the report is that he turned fifty million turned out fifty million dollars here and he wants to go to Brooklyn so that way he can he can listen to kairi bitch and moan all game. I mean you guys need the ball. I mean it worked out in in in Golden State because of the like you said now you're going into established team and I think their roles were trying to find their style of play fit. If you go to look at the Lakers those styles of play fit and I think you've got LeBron James accepting his role which is still like the alpha male, but I mean, you've got Anthony Davis who knows life and then you've got a group of really good role-players. You want to call it back to the Boston Celtics when that big three formed those were players in the later stages of their you know, they they were they were friends. I believe they're not real and was friends with these guys that one point, you know, they just right off the bat. That's the exception. I don't I don't see these three players in fact Clean with you know, they're you know, B'Elanna it's hard for me to see it all working. I think like how many times we watched it hard and takes the inbound and goes Coast-to-Coast or or or or or shocks up at 3. I mean, how long is that going to sit? Well with with Kyrie Irving. Is that going to sit? Well with the ran who's open in the corner? I mean, I don't know. Well you guys saw that you guys saw that that that tweet I sent you with the NBA 2K, you know, somebody had somebody assembled the team with Irving Durant and hardened at it and it was basically each guy would get the ball dribbled between their legs 15 times pass it to another guy who dribbled between his legs off password to another guy and shoot a step back and test it. That's the offense. They're they're going to feel like they're sharing the ball just by basically. I'm going to get em going to dribble seven seconds. I'm going to give it to you. Now. I feel like I touched it from you know, like there's not going to be movement there. It's an isolation ball-dominant group of guy role players the ball and need everyone to get that F out of their way. Not that the wage. And pass, of course they can but it's just not what they do. Yeah, the situation the situation has some bad signs and it too hard and would be going back to Mike D'Antoni who emboldened lifestyle who's now, of course, the assistant in Brooklyn was actually going to be doing most of the coaching I'd imagine and then you like Jimmy said your role players. So like what are they going to put around these three guys to make glue in meshed together because Yahoo! Swooning about this Houston. They're going to get you know, five to seven first-round picks. It's going to be another Brooklyn type it is and you know, the Nets fans are probably going to be shaking over month after what happened last time and what could possibly have point and you're giving away Ray players. I mean you're taking on another big box. Let's make a mistake are silver Dinwiddie. Those are great players and Jared Allen's our best diner another mistake. You're so right John about these players being the GM there they bring in DeAndre, Georgia. And for double-figure salary when he's way past his Prime and now he's a boy. He's going to be there every day every minute Center. How is that going to work out? I mean, I like these three players. I don't know part and I look and Irving can make this work but man the pieces around them the coaching staff all that stuff concerns and it's going to be awesome. They just want to play like wage. They just want to play like they want to have a fun fun time out there. Do they they want to change over to just want to have a fun time with their friends playing, you know, like pickup style basketball. I don't know. What's interesting too is if their divorce division the style of schedules this year the Celtics going to be playing Brooklyn more than usual. They're going to be playing Philly more than usual and Toronto Rondo interesting schedule. We want all the time. I want to play to run a couple times next year. I think you might I think you might see eight games between these different clubs. We every single one of Toronto fans. I just passed out there. I love to run want to choke awesome fence kind of plan. I can't believe they haven't satellite here. You don't even need a passport office over there playing New Jersey. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, right whoever wins the season series between the Raptors and Celtics gets bobby. Okay, that's it. You just get Javi. Okay, like post-game interview like Tatum going all this and that box. We got you the word man after this. I'm going to give Bob Manning his Celtics draft minute. And now we do have Isaac okoro as a name and Bobby you wrote about this both on Osceola honest media in Boston Sports Journal you talk to him you think this the guy that could be looking to trade up to try and get right now most mocks have it may be as high as six but somewhere in that eight to ten range. So there's some thought you'd have to trade up to about seven eight to have a shot to get them their birth. Is this a guy you like if they go up there? Is it worth all the pics and a guy like Hayward if this is the prize coming back or you like some other players too, but just talked about this a little bit and also anybody listening right now, If you want to ask any questions or throw some comments in we'll try to get to him in the last ten minutes here before we wrap it up. Well, of course you talk about your two steps back for step forward approach. He's that kind of guy. It's going to take some time for your shot to develop I'd imagine but yes everything else. I mean the the physical tools this guy's coming in and league with a pretty rare is 225 pounds already. He's got the same physique as Jimmy Butler Andre Iguodala and Jaylen Brown and he's 19 which is which is stunning like yeah. I mean, I wrote that in the story. I was like this guy's only nineteen nineteen years. So yeah, I'm excited about him the interesting thing that's going to happen here as you watch the draft tomorrow. Is that who who's going to go to the Cavaliers and number five? They like Acora they like, oh be tough and yep. I'd any that's a lot of ways that they could go there and I think you could potentially see whoever they don't pick their side to that. Number 10 number nine spot that we talked about last week that the Celtics need a better chance of moving up to so, you know, I'm looking at Kevin O'Connor's Mark right now. He still has Killian Hayes Isaac okoro at 9 and 10. I think that's still feasible trade up range for the South especially now the Phoenix already got Chris Paul and is staying at number ten. I thought last week the Phoenix would need a trade that number 10 pic to get Paul and they have it sells so I don't think it's a huge drawback Phoenix to jump back to fourteen take some assets from the Celtics and maintain themselves because they they're out of cap space now after this Paula situation, so they need to get some players and pick some cheaper contracts back. If you looking for the Celtics to move up. I think it's going to be that number 10 spot and the guys either going to be Isaac okoro or Killian. Hey, so I know Joe sway likes to those are the two guys in the Strath. I look at it and say hey I'm back. Be next great players in this league. Yeah, just way any draft thoughts here before we move on will take a couple of copies would pretty much is that that 14 Pig? I mean if the Saudis have to we'll see if he's available. But I mean, I don't know. I think it's something to do their best to trade up but I just you just don't have the leverage in the favor seems like but maybe maybe one of these teams a hop on I mean, the only another team has an option is a juice bar as we do not doing a whole month whole lot of moving out there, you know, they're they're outside the the top ten. Yeah, you know, Jimmy Jimmy loves the draft. Jimmy will let you talk about it a little bit know. I I mean, my whole thing is my own thing is this trade as many of these pics as you can I mean if if you have to trade into next year's draft to delay it then then go for it. I mean the last thing doesn't we know that the subjects need a key role players. That was the big knock on them going into the playoffs is what stepped they had a great starting lineup and and even when Kemba wasn't performing. Well, you still like their chances every game, but they lacked the name. And that is due to some Port some poor drafting over the last few years. But I mean if you can open up some roster spots for some for some low money veterans that can actually come in and give you ten twelve minutes fifteen minutes off the bench. That's what I'm really interested in JD Becker Eye on this draft. Oh, that's a big Bobby exactly. What are the chances? You think the sons would actually consider or think about bringing in one of these top point guards because it's so Kemba Walker reports have any concerns. So now I'm thinking is Damien in the market for a for a backup point guard a prospect or someone that can plug in right away. That's the move if you stay at fourteen, I think and I hate it could be that we point guy. I don't know if he's ready for that yet. But there are a number of those point guards available at fourteen Kira Lewis. I'm Anthony guy that can lead in offense. So yeah, I think that's the direction of going if they stay at 14 even Tyrese Maxey from Kentucky is kind of a combo guard they need help. They I don't think Brad Wanamaker who's going to be off any one of the top ten. You don't know that's a good thing about this draft of the Celtics I guess is that those guards are probably going to be there fourteen. I don't think any of the best point guards and the brakes are going high except lamelo ball, and I'm not huge homo above wrong and 14. Let's take a couple of questions. Just get me wrong. It's a lock to get a good player 14 couple of questions here. There's a lot of Steven Adams talk. I don't know about Hayward for Steven Adams, but that's only move with them. Yeah, yeah, I'm out on that, you know, you know another one people like a lot this I mean this is one of those what if you talk this guy off and this guy and this guy and and tice and you and all of these guys for LeBron like a trade-off payment, you know, Donovan say this that could get mrs. Robinson may be dead if it gets it if it gets to the point where Tatum wants to leave or whatever like you guys just said, oh what if he wants to meet up with peel and you have no choice you have to try to build around Brown Donovan Mitchell is a guy that it sounds it looked like him and brown were very tight in the bubble. So I'm I'm dating age. I'm pivoting and building around Jaylen Brown and bring it in Donovan Mitchell. Where I'm going to go with that but you hope it doesn't come to that point because obviously J J Stables the guy that you that you really want to build a strong this out there. Just I think there was a tough. I don't know about the for pick up here, but there was a talk about the Bulls being one of the teams that inquired about Kemba Walker. This would be interesting here. What if you could move up that high for Kemba? Know who scores in the Celtics who's going to be your boobs? But let's go over this one step backwards to step forward. We keep saying this this position is too important job and what they've been blessed to have three pretty good. Pretty damn good point guards the last few years for the last four years. How about this one? I don't know. I don't know who this is. Brandon Robinson. Brandon Robinson. Oh, hey, it's from from heavy.com. One of my people. What are your guys? All right Jokes wait. You got to answer this one heavy day. You got listen. Everybody's got a source right now. I can't imagine the Celtics hard enough job. He's monitoring the situation as they say right when he was monitor in Phoenix for Isaiah monitoring Charlotte for Kemba. You know, I don't know what this is Anthony Davis sort of situation here. Okay, he wants to go one place, but the Celtics again if they want a Klingon would absolutely throw Jaylen Brown Marcus Smart and all the pics that you have a nice addition a Futures if you wanted for Hardin, theoretically and you think someone else can match that I don't think anyone else can match that then it's a matter of whether off Ever watch another freaking game if James Harden is on the Celtics and they weren't you going to be what's it going to be? Why the hell would Harden want to play with nobody? Well, I wouldn't be up to them. It's the same dealership why we Davis want to come here and play with nobody if we didn't hurry, you know was a safe. He wouldn't John that's why I didn't hard and sign for more years. So that's the case. There is not an expiring like Davis but I don't like a team of paid them Harden them. I mean, I don't know how they mesh. I don't think there's enough around them. Yeah. I don't see it. Tatum could be better if all goes according to plan isn't Tatum supposed to be better than hard and you gotta build. One step backwards to step forwards. I keep saying it. I think that that's the key this year guys like bouncing Johnny is holding on this page Harden. I'm I'm stunned that the Seventy Sixers last 24 hours. It's bananas. I'm so glad we didn't do this show last name is so much stuff happen today. Yeah. Hey, I'm standard the Seventy Sixers aren't in on hard. And I don't know if anyone else is cuz that seemed like the perfect destination like they require you're right that makes sense because ducats a superstar and they break up that stupid big man, you know, like going to start to take a hold for sure. So let me that Chicago situation the Celtics actually reached out to the Bulls about that and got shut down seems like so that's kind of the situation there with the bulls and cambi which tells you a little something about what canvas value might be right now. But yeah, that's what KOC said on the radio this morning. I'm not playing the i-told-you-so card. I'm telling you in the last show that we did I said, I think they're trying to get out from Kemba and you over me and said that's crazy. He's an All-Star and I'm telling you I believe they're looking everywhere to see and I think what they're trying to do is to because all the writing on the wall to me here says step back to take a step forward wage. Get younger and build for a couple of years from now into that little window cuz that's what you need. You need. You gotta build golden state you missed. Okay, you miss fired a little bit. You got half of it, but you got 50 building it. You can't do it with high-priced talent. You have to get rid of Hawarden cambon find a way to get younger and better and hope you have then and then your formula is this it's Tatum become mvp-caliber Jaylen Brown continues at his level and you hit with a third guy somewhere whether it's acquiring from another team or or draft pick that third study. That's the only way you get off cuz you're not going to get it with just this high-priced talent that they have around them now in their 30s at the time when you need it, you might have a one-year window, but that's it. I agree with that John but you got an email those two trades like you just can't solo on the other option. You can run it back next year a pretty good shot at winning at all next year this year. I think I'm not I mean, I think you think so Joe sway off at this point because you want to get fleeced if you trade. Yeah. I don't think you sacrifice a realistic Championship season run for a mediocre return. You gotta get something down here. And listen, you still may have two years with this group. If you can sign Hayward to where you know, two or three year extension doesn't seem likely at this point. But you know, I I think the run it back I think there's still a case for running it back. I'm with your sweat. If everybody in last last thing I'll say here now, of course, you have misfires. You've got Romeo you've got the lower half of the draft range didn't get hit of all you gotta do is has absolutely hit in the top five or top top bit of the draft. Okay, Jaylon was a question mark and it ended up being absolutely worth it. Tatum again was a risky giving away the number one pick and it's a hit are okay Marcus Smart, even at 6, it's hard to argue that they could have done a ton better there like like how he doesn't top six. So look if you're looking like that is the track record and you believe Danny sees a guy at 4 that he thinks is a Cornerstone building peace at that point. How do I plan on in Danny? I trust on that one too me too and wage. That's why I would view it as a at this point you put the faith in the man to try to do what he's done before and that's one thing he has been successful at we lost Jimmy, but that's one thing he's been successful at I would be willing to see us try it again because you really do need a lottery ticket to hit I think to get to that next level what we're going to find that out tomorrow. I think that's why they push this back to Thursday. They have all the flexibility in the world tomorrow. Now if they find a Destiny the hard part is going to be making three things come together hayward's desire for the destination the Celtics. I happy return from the other team and the other team being happy about taking on page. That's a lot of sides to make happy. But now they have the chance to do that tomorrow. Yeah, the and there's another thing about there's more stuffs flooding into wage most have to jump ton of Interest. I want to tell everybody at home two things. Okay, and I have to we get a again pay some bills here, but I want to tell everybody again about the sponsor which is let me pull up the graphic here manscaped 20% off free shipping Garden 20 use the promo code. Thank you Josh way you've done many reads many a man's K. Four years before I want to tell everybody again a programming note. Okay. So here's what we're doing. Tomorrow. NBA draft is tomorrow night. We're going to jump in at around maybe 6:00 or so pre-draft. What time is it? Start Bobby 7:30, you know what I take it back. We're probably going to jump on it. Seven take you right up to the draft the beginning of it 7:30. Okay, then we're going to disappear for a little bit as soon as something happens Celtics trade up any sort of movement weird. Jump back on and we're going to keep you updated. Okay, and we're going to be doing this all night long throughout the draft for whatever happens. If we think something is interesting or there's some Buzz or there's some movement or the Celtics make a move or they make a cake in a pic where they're supposed to make up. We're going to jump up we're going to talk about it and we'll be doing that all night at the end of the night. We'll do a wrap-up will bring you Danny ainge's post-draft press conference or there's tons of stuff off ceiling as media. So keep it with us all day tomorrow. And again if there's anything that happens during the day again, obviously, we'll keep you updated subscribe to our YouTube channel as well for all these jobs live shows that were doing and in addition to any sort of updates and videos will have a ton more coming out tonight Bobby Manning writing about the draft. He's got a mock draft coming out tomorrow, correct? Yep, first thing in the morning. I don't want a mock draft. We'll see what happens Bobby. I encourage you to put trades in it cuz that's going to be the juicy stuff. But you might have to write this thing like eight times between now and then that number one. There's a lot of heat about that number one job. Moving. Yeah, I think Minnesota's pushing it hard. Nobody has any clue what's going to happen to really interesting draft. There's a lot of potential pieces moving frenetic off-season already underway. So thanks for joining us for Jimmy Joseph. Who's no longer here. We miss him already. Heavy, Bobby Manning Celtics beat clns media even some Boston Sports Journal contributions. Get up there right now. So go read it. We will see you guys tomorrow. Thanks for joining.

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Celtics Beat Bucks in Game 2, Interested in Andre Drummond

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

1:34:23 hr | 2 months ago

Celtics Beat Bucks in Game 2, Interested in Andre Drummond

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Well, let's not be silly Bogner fans. Yeah, it's not us. It's them it's again them is just a couple of people. Yeah. No, it's not. I want to see if you're in the chat right now in your Mo Wagner believer stand-up outliers Bobby money. Yeah, look at it may be falling in its local minority. Hey, you know that Meme of that Meme of the guy walking with presumably his girlfriend, but he's turning around and he's like checking out that girl. You know, that that that's me and I'm checking out Mo and I'm like see a taco like that's that's what's going on here. Now that for you. Goes dead. Yeah, he already has a moment on that on that drive, right? Oh my God, we got wiped out that was hideous. He's like little we know his insertion was garbage time. I did I could not believe that fourth just faded away the way it did. Yeah, the bus didn't want to play anymore II no waiting for them to just like the Celtics wage. Yeah, true true. They playing the Knicks tomorrow waiting for the Celtics. It was close to not being garbage-time one deep 3-pointer could have made that at six point game and I am interested but it was all about yada. It was like Jonathan had the other night. He doesn't have it tonight. It's not happening. You know, he yeah, I was so surprised. He he started waving the white towel that that soon though, where we were scared her up about it all game. You scared her up Gorman and talking about it all game like Jonas just wasn't into it. Yeah, which I was surprised. I don't know what's going on because I expected the complete opposite of what we saw two nights ago off the subjects because of that. There's a little be in big trouble no matter what but that wasn't the case well, We're starting to see the basis of some real good defense with this team between these last two games. It's a good matchup for them. I mean, I don't I don't know man. I really don't think Alaska it was great on T. But okay, go ahead. I mean for large stretches, they shut down yonder. So whatever we won't have to go over that again. But tonight when we're going to completely agree phenomenal defensive performance, probably the best of the year. They were connected. They were getting in passing lane today that first-quarter Kemba got a steel Brown had one I think Rob had too early in that sequence. So they were just getting out in transition moving the ball and they were on a string on that end. And what is she said to me most and I know the story of this was probably going to be robbed start moving into the starting lineup. They don't have to drug store where they used to and the way he's able to defend in space at this point is a huge bonus cash starting lineup because they can play the way they want to defensively and that's going to be the story of this team going forward to the rest of this year. Now that they're going to be all wings and said a double big and some of this other nonsense they've been doing wage. But he can switch everybody can defend out in space and it's going to make them a much better team. It's two-fold Bobby. Obviously the defense and again, you said it today, you know, like he's our best offensive player and I'm like obviously but will dispute that but it's offensively there's no there's it's not an accident that like people were just Freer to just less pressure on them. Cuz again that whole, you know, just that Rob presence, even though they just refused they missed them on the roll a ton of time. You could have had quite a few in there, but who's putting up comments? Oh did I just do that? Yeah, you did that Jimmy. I didn't look at that truck that was literally going to read them. I'm like women's now but no I was actually trying to get back and make something for that time. Jimmy Johns. County. No, but my part like hi bat how much more space did they all have out there? How much more? Did they have the role? And again, it's a make Miss League again. They hit all their threes. Everybody looks great. When all of those shots go it is it is what it is. But I mean everything look better off. I'm not going to attribute it all the RAB but you know, I mean this way any concerns about Rob voting against the other team's starters we get at least through those Yeah, yeah, actually, I believe that this year. I mean we all believe that last year when he was barely playing and when he did some people believe that yeah. Yeah. I know especially in the playoffs last year. I mean that was I was fair but I think over the last month or so we've all been begging and saying, you know put him in there. Let's see what he can do. We think that he can roll for you guys, but you have to actually throw them into the fire throw them into the pool or whatever you want whatever analogy you want to use and see if you can swim so and he was swimming laps today. He was swimming laps and Genesis off his brain. He was all up in it that was part of the reason why you're honest was a little disengaged. I don't think he wanted to mix it up with Rob. I really don't think he did he want to end up on the other side of of a Believer dunk. I do believe that I do believe that I don't think he I don't think he had the energy to go up to go at Rob tonight and he just kind of floated around. I mean, he still hit a shot. He still he still dunked on Taco rest in peace. But again, that would be John that was you know, I think you saw Rob out of the games that I'm going to go get mine down and then Rob comes in and he goes back into his hole. That was the game. That was the game. I saw tonight. I think Rob had the upper hand. Rob was everywhere. Not the it's warm rain. No, no, no question. It's one thing to say that he rattled them. I think that was evident. Especially Jonas and certain stretches when he was getting really sick. I think he frustrated honest. I don't know if you're honest is like scared whom I don't think he's like, yeah. Yeah, you know any or something. Hey, yeah. I mean, he just didn't look himself. Yeah, I think the frustration just took it over but he was frustrated with himself. He's like what's going on? What where are my super powers? You know, that's the honest I saw I don't know necessarily was thinking him to himself man. I don't want to go back in there rocking embarrass me, you know, but wow. Obviously Rob did a hell of a job incredible job. I mean whether we're talking defense alone just being at the right spot, you know, I thought one thing to set out to me in that first quarter was just a way he closed out the perimeter of coal that 3-pointer in the face, you know, as to the Box the guy out even from the printer. I love that, you know basic stuff. He wasn't obviously the pump thing have him jump in and he wasn't, you know, hesitated home and second-guessing himself, you know defensively. Yeah. I mean he clearly made a humongous impact. So first off, I'm in full support of the move to stardom to move Tice. I was a big fan of the trade deadline and clearing out opportunities for these young guys because I thought that was one of many different directions they could go and things they could accomplish. That was Tristan. Tyson went but now you want to see Rob started off. Well, no, I mean if if cases here you start I see if he's not in our Oakland a scenario know who's the starter and this is the one thing I'm going to lose my mind over. Being before the game. What did Brad say? Well Rob's going to get an opportunity tonight. But when Tristan comes back we gotta see and then the most baffling comment before the game was proud saying Rob's more comfortable as a starter. I mean as Off the Bench, that's an awesome and he doesn't he's never started. How can you say he's more comfortable on his been employed. Well, that's true. That's true. Like I was joking on our text thread like I'm more comfortable in Massachusetts than Montana, but I've never heard of Montana. I'll tell you this unbelievable crazy. Absolutely. You don't know the other end of that. What are you talking about? But no frame of reference. It's just it's just not worth it centered people's brains, you know, we come up with every excuse in the book to nice guy. I don't understand it. With the heavens everything he's more comfortable coming off the bench and double at halftime. Yeah, this game was closed. You might you might have. Well, let me say this. He should continue to start when Thompson comes back Thompson's going to have to earn his way back. And then this rotation. Specifically with some will get to later when it comes to biotech centres and stuff like that that are floating out there, but he's proven it over a month now he can defend his face. He's been a lot more reliable in the offensive end of the foreign John you start again tonight possess that ball in the post a little better now, he's either going to move it right out or he's going to be able to turn and dunk on guys and he didn't see that second half tonight, but you have seen that in recent weeks as a starter. I'm expecting some ups and downs and I'm willing to live with that. I mean tomorrow against Oklahoma City and now Horford and all that I wouldn't be signed if it's a rougher game for him. And yeah, so I actually thought this was going to be dead. After one firm so big credit to him. This is an extremely hard matchup assignment all that stuff and he absolutely drive. So this is what you want to say continued progression weekend week out and it's been a straight upward line from it's not just Rob in a comment or just made it here and I agree with this one hundred percent the and this is this was my main robbed argument is you know, Bobby you were saying it's easier for him. I'm coming in playing against second unit guys and mine was actually think he's going to play better and Elevate the level of the starters. And again, it's not super fair to make that judgment on a night where they hit all their threes cuz I'm not saying Rob Williams is the factor and the reason why and if they don't hit all of them, it's harder to make that case but I I do believe he has because of all the things that he does it will make the starters better. Yeah, right. Look look atthe Rhythm. They played within those opening. Have you seen a start like that all year from them people are aware of where he is all the time and that's the difference. So like I think we've got it off. On heads that well Tice will occasionally shoot a three and he creates therefore create spacing. I think the space scenes much better with Rob cuz you have to account for him all the time and it just freeze and it just created much more space for these guys to operate and and again, you're right that that first quarter you could see it. They were just free and easy and getting better looks it was just and they like I said, they had a ton of chances to hit them on the role and they missed them. I think once they start to recognize that cuz again, the starters just aren't playing that often with them. You know, I mean, you have some data minutes with them some smart minutes with them but as a unit they haven't really gotten a chance to I think I think it can really evolved from there. I think you know, honestly because they have to sag, they gotta they gotta they gotta chase them. They gotta they gotta go with him. Yeah say that does just add those two cents. Go ahead. I'm going to piggyback and what John said, I mean Rob's out there that energy is contagious. You just don't really see it with Tristan. I mean, I'm not saying that he doesn't try but you just don't see it the same way Robert running up and down the court flying around getting his hands on on you know passes deflecting out of bounds died practically running out of the gym and the second half trying to save that which he did save it. The ball was heading out of bounds and he sort of backed saved it in and and I ended up back into the play on the other end, but he's just he gives you that extra money Pap when he's out there. I think that sort of rubs off on the rest of the guys. He sort of like, you know, he's like a energy, you know breath of fresh air like with the energy and I think they need and I think they see that and they kind of feed off of it. The passing is, you know, you know, we talked about you know, how good of a story is already as a big and that kind of wears off. And I yeah, I mean if I'm talking about a triple-double and yet zero points goes to show you like the types of things that that he can do when he's out there. So, you know all credit to him for sure. I mean, I think he's dead single time. He's got an opportunity. It's an opportunity to start. Listen. I know Brad Stevens has excuse in the book not to put this guy in certain line up, but I I think he's run out of actual reasons to now I think like Rob's just in the starting lineup. I can't imagine him not an alarm. It's amazing. I was hip got better just in time for him to start spending on its way and it's really been four weeks since he said that John, I mean it's not like time hasn't passed here. I know but amazing amazing it just yeah, I still think that's the craziest thing you've ever had. That's actually is it crazy or is it not even remotely crazy. It's yeah, they made up an injury the plan was for two years. They didn't make up the injury made up probably having played him by using the injury as the excuse for why he didn't care enough and we all agree. They need the rim protection tonight the books at 40% from 3, which feels normal. Them, but if you look at the two point percentage, that's where they completely fell off the map and whether it was Giannis or others. I don't know if Janice was afraid to go inside Jimmy, but he said to turn and so it was taco. Let me give you an ounce of credit on that one. Jimmy Taco came in and played. Well, I don't have any doubts about Taco being able to come in when needed when on a night like this for two centers of missing and being able to play. Well you did. I just don't think as some go overboard think that he's this missing secret weapon that they haven't utilized and that when they put him in the game Yiannis and and B-Dubs to be neutralized. I mean, there's a limit to what you can say about Taco but what's completely fair is he's an NBA player at this point. He can go in there and give them good minutes. Yeah. I'm I'm really surprised at what I'm here right now Bobby wage. You don't think he gave him good minutes tonight. I think they survived has been at least ten minutes you want to talk about I can we can get right to the first quarter if you want to do that cuz it was a disaster to do panthers. Opening sequence with the seriously Celtics fans. Let's do this one. I always watch the game improved to every single, you know, for people who don't typically watch basketball he went up there and prove to you that you could be seven. You could be eight feet. If you don't have the skill sets rebound, you won't be grabbing any boards and that's exactly what Taco demonstrated. You can't jump more fast enough. Okay. I know people just go over him. Like I don't think I don't think he's there. Yeah. I know their possession of talking about definitely for Bobby I begged that was really rough. Yeah, that's rough. I don't think he smoked. I don't think obviously he missed some read but he missed some opportunities here. Lopez is no slouch or you know, I mean like it it's not you know, he's a big he's a professional. He's a he's a veteran. It's still not easy go up and grab a board with him. I will say this taco His hands up. He was altering shots. Yeah, that's what I said that it doesn't mean he was he wasn't grabbing all the boards. I wanted to see hand up. I thought that you know, that was a tough luck for my guy and that stretched so kindly pointed out but rad went back to him and I thought he I thought he you know, the second thing and there was a little bit more effective and Bobby said and like I've been saying this guy doesn't have to be relegated to just blow out game minutes at the with the last minute of the game. You can come in for spurts on mismatched situations, maybe force. The other team takes them to make some, you know, roster or lineup moves that they're typically wouldn't make during during you know a time in the game. That's all he's a he's a seven-month, you know cheat code in a way you just stick them out. They're going to see what happens. The only I don't think he's at Chico, but he can hold his own. That's all I'm saying because it's dead. Vine that's like a literal put in a video game and you get like you get a yeah, but the opposing team. Yeah, like the opposing team's know what to do. They swung them up to the outside edge. Is it pretty easily right now? I'm not begging from the join the rotation. I'm just saying on a night like this. We saw the Wizards game early in the year. He's come a long way. I mean he would have been able to do this the beginning of his rookie. So I do want to show do Grant too though. He played a good game. He's had a good series here and with semi hurt and other wings out of the rotation that like green and others gone. He's another young guy going to get some more opportunity. Yep. Yeah, they need it. Right. I mean, they need help all the help they can get at that 4 spot. And yeah, I'm just out to Greg cuz he was playing like this before the before the trade right before the deadline came went off or you pull out of the rotation, right? So just got this is better this room gave that dirty one really good minutes tonight. He was and I look I mean we knew he was going to play we said it beforehand. I mean, you know, how long Was with with no bigs outside of Rob this had a grant game, but they played a lot of you know, if you you know, they played they played a lot of minutes together too. So, I mean he was out there quite a bit off and they're nice combo they get good rapport. Yeah, and did I hate grants as a small ball 5 but he did the minutes. They had him out to them say we're we're definitely useful a 30-minute. I mean, you know, I was surprising and see some 5, but when I think about t o Chalet they were missing a lot of bodies tonight and they didn't have the wings back to work that small ball lineup that they probably are going to try out at some point here. They're going to do more five out Steven said today they well they destroy this is a refresh in the main thing and forty you can do that though. It was easy to do it when you had Gordon and you could easily do that when it was that that line up was great there with the when you had smart with Tyson. The three Wings is you know, I mean such a switch of a wage Up, I mean and and so much size all over the place. It's a really tough line for a guy who won a tank the season you sound awfully excited John. I don't I'm saying that gives you that flexibility there. I am in a perfect world. I still think this team is a first-round exit. So, you know, I don't know him in tonight winning 13 to 4:00. Yeah. I know what you meant. Oh, yeah. What I'm sitting is its way out here when the best case scenario, I would get to the right page and I'm still worried that this team's not a top-four team which means are going to run into a buzz saw on the first round and this is this is probably the team they want right I guess so right but I mean, you know, you certainly if you don't walk out of seven or eight and you go fill your Brooklyn you're in a lot of your urine, you're you're in some trouble but you're arguing. Yeah, you argued beforehand that they you know, you think that they've passed the heat off. No, just with these Acquisitions. I certainly don't think so. But you know, I guess make your case. So it's not about Depot. Well, yeah, I I think the additions of them have been vastly overrated and they're going to play big roles on the team. I don't think those are the kind of guys you can bring in and if it doesn't work, well, you're just going to relegate them to the it all tricks. You probably could I underrated Bo it's a little bit that's going to be a good one for them. But Oladipo, I just think he's I think he's past his Prime at this point with the injuries and years of struggle that he's gone through now and took a disaster and he was saying you can probably chalk up some of that to it being Houston and just a toxic environment, but physically he's just not the same and we saw it in Indiana early this year too if he's had his spot of jumpers who helped them. But if they need to the Celtics point, it's what I've been saying all night, they're going to open up more defensive flexibility. They have another rotation player who can eat 30-35 minutes so they don't have a game. Rely on deeper rotation guys. I think they might be out of the rotation at this point if they're healthy which is just such a huge win huge flip and I think stylistically they're all going to be more comfortable and it's just going to be 888 sentiment wise. I mean look at just tonight just that Rob insertion and better minutes from Grant. You don't even insert 48 today. I can't wait for tomorrow and how this is going to look so I'm not saying for any is the best place in the world. He just he just makes all this glue together a little more comfortable and Bobby again. It's not an i-told-you-so situation, but I mean in the beginning of the year when they signed Tristan and well, you know, we were like anyway, and again, they thought there might not have been one but that that Wing was so obviously the biggest need and has been so obviously the biggest issue with them all year long. So, of course forty a position really is what you want and every time we were looking at a trade Target, we're only talking about wings and we're talking about Barnes being ninety percent of what Hayward is 48 is going to supplement what Hayward gave you and Bob Celtics clearly were at their best when they had that type of line up there cuz that's the type of ball that they want to play the type of Defense. They want to play the type of offense. It allows it really be in Hayward night. He really could sure exactly it allows them to play the way they want to play way more than now and takes the heat off of these guys Tatum and brown where they don't have to carry the carry the load and you're right. It's going to knock semi minutes back. You know, I don't know what else happens there at the wing though. If nobody steps up and Romeo. I know Jim you don't want to hear it. He is coming back next week at this point. You're going to need something from it because of the fact that I keep lobbying for Nesmith minutes. I can't watch that guy play basketball anymore. I can't do it. Yeah, it makes my eyes bleed those open Luigi's too crazy. You don't like them don't you don't like anyone less than than these men, it's hard. I think he likes number less than Nesmith. I like now. I feel like thirty-seven million dollars of Kemba. I just thought Poor Nesmith man. See one of those guys. Does he look somebody told me something that about him that isn't going to depress me. He looks like he looks a little lost out there and buy em, I mean a lot. Yeah that one that one picture you tweeted that we all saw was he runs. She runs to the Elbow companies like I'm right here. I'm like dude right here. As soon as he gave it up. He was like totally like get out of here. I'm here man choice, I'd Rob is Rob's like get out of here on 10th your Defender with you. You don't know there's already yeah. Yeah. That was how I work for Tatum's a little I love ho Tatum's a little low key and that off cuz I saw somewhere a moment later. We're more was just kind of stairs and I was trying to set like a seal and Tatum just like runs right by him and the other guy and it's like get out of the way guys like, but you can tell Tim And brown looks at him to he's like and what are you doing over here man, you know passes it to him. He just has his back pack is a forgiving me for me like the way we do this. I like to go when the last time a year. He needs a year. I don't think it'll work. We saw taking like that right that all star superstar swag telling people where to go. God water screaming out orders draining 3-pointers assassin assassin. They're taking it to the rim. What does it get into the you got the free throw line like in the first four minutes of the game. I mean, I like to see more that that that's pretty that's all it's all stars. Quite twenty. This might be short-term memory because is this the first time we've seen that Tatum since Yeah couple of flashes in the bubble for sure, but this was very easy. Much like that pre pre covid-19. Despite too nice. That's not going to be playing Noe. It's it's over it's over. Yeah, but you know what though solid offense over I like it. I did not do thank the Lord no more free. But everyone just get back on defense. Like that's it. Right. I mean you you guys can see in that first quarter like this is like everyone can everyone has the green one. I sorta speak but if you don't hold your own defensively Brad's going to pull you. I mean at least that's the way I see things in that first half. Well, I saw things in that person half with Brad and and and someone like obviously will only only going to add to that open looks you know, you know take them in brown drawn defense has like that's what it seems going to be able to the only way this team can be successful in the long run. You gotta clean up the defense. You know what I'm saying? John 9:10, we can't be top 10 worst defense in the NBA put it that way, but that's what it is. That's exactly where the sellers all right now. They didn't need a significant overhaul and we can still argue whether it was the best move long-term to make a minor upgrade here rather than a larger one a bigger scale type of thing, but they were close enough to being a really good team a complete team that just getting one NBA starter in the room who fit well, which is what they ultimately did was gonna make this up quite a bit and you just just the C team seem to have more hope tonight then they there was just a different level of energy you say that but I don't wake up call the shots fact, we need a sample size here. And again, I think this was just a jack shots and they found I didn't think so either but I want us you need a sample size like the same way we're doing I don't want to take a monster visit Victory lap over rub starting in the First Choice team offense looking better and everything flowing better. Just cuz that one game cuz they come out and they have an absolute clunker tomorrow. We're going to be right back here again. So I hate this rollercoaster we go on but if you log, 2567 game stretch Rob's consistently starting Fournier comes in and he clearly fits in with what they need and they they're the whole level goes up. Then I think we can talk about it, but it is awful. It's a snapshot and it's a game that they hit 50% of their three. So it is a little hard to 15 complimation, especially considering he didn't play right and also to Bob you gotta remember like this is sort of like, you know, this is an emotional game for the Celtics, you know, heading into it. You see you see new faces you're seeing obviously everyone is thinking man, you know, not not that not necessarily pressure. But obviously the city of black people are expecting results now, okay, here's the deal that happened a couple of trays new faces show us what you got and I think they had that energy and the one guy on top of the list of that, you know had that chip on his shoulder. I think because of whatever that happened was Marcus Smart, I think Marcus Smart was going into this will only listen I'm going to show to everyone you you naysayers. We don't think that I should still be here. I'm going to show you guys exactly how productive you know, yep. I think you got a classic three-point making coming up with Hugh stops forcing turnovers Marcus Smart taking charge is Marcus Smart game and that's exactly what we saw. Guess the bugs. Yeah. He's one of those guys instead of town early in this one and he did it his way. It looked rough with the shot selection early and then all of those threes just started burying and the third don't mind me not a Wi-Fi issue. I'm just walk out of the room for a split-second you guys keep going. That's Marcus Smart is when the shots fall you love. Um, once they don't you don't love them. And I mean that that's again the early in that game. Some of them empty took unbelievable. He looks like a human pretzel going to the rim throwing up ridiculous. I mean, you gotta know when to you just makes a decision and he just sticks with it. I guess. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. But it's like he's like, yeah, I'm definitely driving to the RAM and I'm going to lay up this bot. I don't care how many Defenders around me or how I have to twist my body but second-half those shots started to fall and you know, that's good Market wage. If if if he's missing those shots, then we're talking about you know bad markets. So again it it's one of those the shots were falling tonight and you want to give the Celtics credit. Of course, I mean that third-quarter loss was Unreal. I mean they they put them away in that quarter. They were everything was falling credit to them, you know in Marcus Tatum Kemp. I thought had a strong game pretty much from start to finish. We can really talk much about him and then Rob I'll say this and John's not here, but Rob starting is even like is that is that a no, but Java just pylon but I mean you really you had to force Brad's hand to start rubbing. I'll never really understand why my granddaddy had to literally trade ties in order to get Robin starting lineup 3-pointer though. That's why Jimmy did it and I mean look what you start Sunday from Robin again. It's a one game but the style of play was a very similar to what we've seen from him coming off the bench in, you know, in lesser amount of minutes. We already know his, you know, his numbers over 36 minutes. I know awesome. So I don't think it really was a surprise to a lot of people to see that production continue with better players around him for more more times, you know for a lot of your time during the week John John just said it. Let's see. It's a more. You know, we always going to be a mocha home is going to be a tricky matchup. I think this is a really good match up for him. You know, they have a good one game thing. They have a good game plan when it comes to playing this team. They they Build That Wall grants able to get in the more comfortable, you know matchups next to him. So I think it all worked well for the front Court here where when they're able to pick up paint against this team and protect the room the way they did it all worked out. Now. There's going to be some other teams that exploit them a little bit more. There'll be a lot more switching oriented games and on a night like tonight. Let's begin. I don't think they would have been able to play grant for 31 minutes against other kind of teams and have that work. And so there would have been more pressure on always ways. And those other type of guys my point is This wasn't an obvious move and there weren't obvious things for Brad to do throughout the course of the Year there. Just weren't a lot of options like Robson playing for a month now and they still been losing games. He's been playing more and not in recent weeks. They lose to the Grizzlies. It was the bucks on Wednesday. This was a Personnel problem all the road now, maybe early early in the year. You can look at Rob's minutes being a little low and say he's going to be more involved here, but I'll throw this back at you guys was he wrong in this tie sense to have everybody be involved. I know you guys just want to show of Thompson and particular right to the side, but there's these certain ideologies that Brad carries off one of which is keep everybody involved get everybody a role on this team and have nobody lost in the fold and that's just something Heroes with and that's why you had three centers playing all year. You had no choice when you bring in a veteran like Thompson and you make promises to him and he's a clutch guy and you want to do right by that and you don't want to have you know, I mean you brought him here and it's not like he talks he's playing solid you brought a dog. Here is fine. I agree who you sold who you want to make nice with his agent and his Pals and you want to keep relations good and you bring him in here and he you're sold him on his role and what it's going to be. You can't just not give it to him at one five games in you're like, holy crap. Rob Williams got really good and you know entice got us to the Eastern Conference finals last year and he might be our third best way you can tell probably five games into the season that that was the case. And what are you going to do? Pull the you know, pull the carpet out from under him so they stuck with them 15-20 it just it became so obvious so early that life, he should be the specialist who comes in there and bangs a little bit and give you a few fouls a game and some physicality, but he should be playing the third most minutes among those three bigs. And that was that's I think the only way we were making all year that it was pretty obvious that in this big rotation Thompson deserved the fewest minutes. It just took forever to get there, you know, and now you have no choice with X gon he's going to slot in but my goodness sake He starts over Rob when he's healthy. I'm going to take I'm taking a week. Okay, I'm not going to be doesn't matter though. I mean if he stores and then he plays how could he was matter? How long how can you watch tonight him play with that first unit and say oh, yeah, you know, let's get some Tristan in their matters. I know the first five minutes of the game matter somewhat but I say this about Drummond to get all the rotations. It's it's continuing to stay with those guys. That's true. You get two big chunks in the 1st and the 3rd and to close the game and really the only opportunity to play with them. He'd have a few minutes with Tatum in the second quarter, but really would just be the last few minutes of the game where you would get robbed in there. And how many of those times were like, wow, they really played well with Robin the game together, you know, and so that it's awful. I think yeah. I just think it's we've reached a point where it's like they now didn't even more reps than ever together because in the postseason like it's sky's the limit if you will write for yourself experience like they're dying to see moss. This like this is what we were talking about for weeks or months or in John's case months weeks. It was really good job to say this is before the new year. I think I've been banging this drum for a while guys even in the bubble where it's like, why are we like, you know doing a lot of things out here right again, forget all about the bow part about Rob is that he doesn't doesn't look at all anything you've ever had concern about how he does or his role in this and that like wage even from the beginning of the Season those moments are fewer and fewer where he looks lost or he has that lapse even though we thought it was a little ridiculous that people were like hanging those things on him as like, oh, he came home because of that but he looks so comfortable out there. He's he's always in control. He makes Smart plays all the time. You know, he really really is playing a game. In game two. I love with Jimmy said too because I do want to hammer in on that this Brad notion that they really had a trade 3 guys to open up some of this stuff Rob in particular. I don't think that Nesmith improved stuff out matters all that much on the low end of that. But the question becomes if they're going to go this Andre Drummond wrote you end up in that same position again where you're splitting Center minutes between three different guys and it really can't break that mold because of the way Brad views the situation. I think that's a real concern. I I do Advocate drum and coming in but I can see a situation there where Drummond's getting a little bit Rob's getting a little bit box is getting a little bit and then you're in a similar spot as you were before. It's such a tough one to walk. But Jimmy's great then you get your breath change. I think it's a great chance your boy. Your boy Thompson is playing playing. I don't know tic-tac-toe would talk about the end of the bench man. I don't know like if it comes down to it. Hey, I don't think they're finished Thompson Robin came in I think wow. Bobby said you could trouble I think you're basing it this season man people like some people have to play 11:11 guys know but that's not what I'm saying. Jimmy on saying you're breaking up in the same spot you were before. Yeah, I agree. That's what's going to happen. You probably will to an extent. Yeah. I think I think you probably will but I figured you right back where you are, but I think is it worth it. Tom minutes go down less grants probably on the outside looking in to and I'll get Rob's at the point now where he's going to get he's got to get his twenty to twenty-five. I still think he's gotta get back on the low end again. He's going to be back to nineteen twenty and we're going to be losing our minds again cuz you're going to watch this club, you know Drummond in there doing drum and things and the offense is going to look clunky again and he might get some stats and we're going off and argue about whether he's good or not. But like it's going to be that same three big rotation if you if you break it's going to be big Greg Monroe energies was going to be if you bring drumming in no way Jose. Faster than that Thompsons gotta go down to single-digit minutes. I kind of sit on the fence on this one because Jimmy's right and and Jose ways to mention this if Thompson just keeps rolling along and has just this minimal impact that he's had throughout the year. You're in a tough spot going into the playoffs. Just leaning on rod for everything. They'll be gained for he follows a lot. They'll be games that aren't great matchup from you and Siri wage you end up in the series. It isn't a great matchup for Rob and you need a guy on a bead or some of these other situations bam, you're going to want another guy who can get on the board some of this other stuff off their other. So by aren't you are there bad matchups for all the other guys too, you know like no, but I mean you need a body and to get everybody like this a really good player. It's tough to pass up. I understand. Hey look not everybody how many perfect centers are there out there like to one-pass Okay, every night there's going to be a situation where okay, I mean or or perfect anything out there some nights. There's going to be nice where it's like here's a tougher match up for this really good player that we have on our team not every night is perfect. But like he's just a better overall player than everybody else who plays that position. So you live with it again. It's so strange that you're like so worried about matchups, you know, like wage and some nights at Rob there are things that Rob look there are things that Rob happen that Rob might not be able to handle as well as a different type of person but by the same token he's going to create so many problems with other people. But yeah, he does that it's going to counterbalance. I'm not I'm not arguing against that I let me refresh me reframe this for you guys there in a tricky position with Roman where he's definitely better than Fox and his jokes way mentioned but to get him in here you're going to have to make certain promises and like things like he's probably going to have to start he's probably going to have to play quite a bit off. And just going to have to walk this tricky line where he might like bump into Rob's minutes here and mess with that a little bit. But you also need him because he's so much better than Thompson. That's what I'm trying to say here. So why do you walk that line off so much better than Thompson? This is an issue for the Thompson fans. I don't think this is a huge issue for the rod fans out there. Still think with Drummond. Rob's going to get his 20-plus minutes a game at this point you permission in the starting role to get them in here. No, I don't think drum is looking. I don't think she might not convict they start but we're only where is he starting Lakers the thing to me because you know, I mean Charlotte home of the places mentioned on the list Charlotte and Boston of the two you would think Pathways to most minutes actually Charlotte the most along with the Lakers suck balls. But with Boston, the only hook here is Revitalize your career and I'm going to give you 25 minutes again. The Celtics have to sell them on that if they bring them in here and he's playing sixteen minutes a game sharing the court with dead. That's going to be bad bad bad. He's coming in here to play twenty five minutes a game. I think he wants to play 20/20. Let's call it 20 and he wants to go to a team that has a good has a chance whether that's you know, the Lakers or the Celtics or whoever. Yeah Charlotte's, you know, obviously a team that you have to take seriously, but I think the minutes are going to be somewhat similar, you know around those teams. Now does he have to start? I don't know if you have to promise that and then all of a sudden he's starting over Rob. I don't think Rob's going to take exception to it again. I think Tristan Thompson is the odd man out here and she claims to an extent. I mean those minutes are going to get eaten up you're talking in 20 minutes now, but I still think Rob gets his but it's so much better than Thompson is Bobby just said to me just look at Drummond this season so much suck everybody loves to trash Drummond and it's it's low-hanging fruit. I guess he's you know, the traditional big can't shoot but this guy is a double-double machine. He ripped down boards. He said he's had like three I think at least. The games as Europe twenty plus rebounds 20-plus rebounds like let's there is still value to that like the center for Boomers. Okay, not exactly but like after the kids, you know what he he's a pack of course download. I know he's not going to open up the cord and drain threes and whatever but he he serves a very, you know, specific purpose and he does his job well and there's a reason that all really good teams wash right now. So everyone on your high horse like drumming is German that relaxed like this guy can still play and he's better than some of the Senators you have. So what's not complain about if if he actually does want to play for the South it's only good thing not going to play him and hurt the team by playing it like he's going to contribute positively if everyone out there who wants to Celtics to get better this season. You should be thrilled that he even took the interview with aged. Yeah cracks me up and the picky Celtics fans. I'll never understand when your team's underfunded and listen if the subject are in the mix like wage. Want your blessings man, like like free stuff for some of these bars. It used to be over. Would you trade would you trade for German now? It's just like yeah, except Drummond. You're one of the top teams that you know on that list, you know, so so that's a good thing, you know, cuz some of these bio candidates they're coming from teams that have a record. That's not that far off from where the Celtics fan right now. So I'm like this is a unique case for on playing and drumming because you can obviously put himself out there a deep playoff run or at least someone that seemed like the stuff they will say Hey listen with you need to calm down without you, you know, maybe not so you could sell them on that for sure. I think he's buying that stock because he's taken himself. Yeah. Okay, I can go to Charlotte, you know, maybe get similar exposure or maybe a little bit more of that but then how far they going to go in the postseason. So, you know, it's a very it's a good thing for sure. It's a very thin line cuz the people that hate him have good reason to and I was one of those people at the money he was a bath Because he was just a disaster at twenty-eight million. He wasn't anywhere close to being worth that now as a minimum guy. It's the other end of the spectrum. He's probably a little bit underrated in that sense defensively. He was a big part of making the money is one of the best defenses in the league decided this year. It's it's a free like All-Star caliber player. I mean like you can't argue against it the fear that everybody has faith is what will Brad do and again demonstrate that kind of stuff and afterwards the chemistry factor and it's the the the suppression of Rob. Who is your third best player? Okay. I don't care what you want to say. He's your third best player right now read through the trickiness. Actually your third best player overall. So you have to put you cannot you can't go back and going to rob into eighteen Nineteen Minutes and Tristan for eighteen twenty and drumming for twenty. I think that'll be a mess if you if if we know, I think if every Celtics fan knows that if he comes in Tristan's going to go down to, Georgia, Did you minutes and that's fine. So be it it's going to be hard though, because you've got and actually began temptress then. Yeah, you can just one. You can't buy him out. He's got another year. So you're just stuck with it. You just gotta live with drugs, you know, and you realistically need three guys again. I'm going to be considered. He's gotta be a good sport about it. He's going to be like, okay, I'll play eight to ten minutes a game or 12 minutes when he's and he's gotta be because he did not come in here or the right amount of performance disc over thing. If it was what it was it was a joke, and he deserves to be knocked down the ladder because of that. So he's going to come in here with a little bit of humbleness. Well still I mean if he was dead, I would at all and putting himself even in that position that something you gotta look at and be like come on. So again, I think just for play alone, you know, forget that part but play alone even yeah, he's going to be a little humble because he hadn't played. Well, I'll see you this too though. This the tricky thing about losing Tice and that situation you'd have three horrendous free throw shooters at Center, which is tough. That is tough. That's a good place. I do want to quickly point out and we're going to keep going a little bit here. But a monster number again in the Stream here. 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So, what were your thoughts from yesterday? Yeah. That's right. Yeah, I love it. I mean listen to second round Peg Jeff Teague. Yeah, of course, I mean, obviously the biggest if is what's going to happen in during the offseason, but I mean for his skill set for someone like Evan Fournier the the way you're going to match in this team and I you know daily what he has obviously he's he's crazy about it. I think he's going to it's a good chance he signed. I mean I know so early to say that but I just think the Celtics are in a position to a piece someone like him, right who's been in Orlando his whole career obviously his he's had great Seasons prior to this one. This has been his best one and you put him in this situation to be on the winning team and off. One of the key pieces whether it's right off the bench or one of the guys that that's going to get a lot of open looks I think he's thrilled about that. You know, what's he have? Like seventy-eight degrees on the season and you know, Jason Tatum all the summer the beginning of the show tatem Brown. Those are kind of those are the kind of scores that that Forty-Eight just go to a love, you know, why Aaron Gordon or other two pieces of a teeny, right? They could necessarily always put the ball on the floor and score that these guys can and I think that alone is going to just open things up a lot for having Forty-Eight years. So I'm excited about it again, not a first-round pick up in there. You didn't throw in Nesmith. You didn't throw in, you know, one of the guys that were still trying to wait to see unfortunately if they're going to pop or not. Unfortunately see exactly. So I mean, I don't I don't think I hate I like it more because of that no first-round picks Tony Smith, you know, it's it's a gamble but I think it's a gamble well worth it. I mean the temperature in this position right now, you have to take gambles. Luke Cornett park side of the best most discover report. I got up to this up to this point. But but yeah, yeah, it's about it's about forty bout that that's a big the big drive right now. I've had to remind myself what that guy's name is like seven times over the last day or so. I had a hot back in Google. cuz if they get Drummond Luke I mean the question I don't know if people really thought this through just just like Jeff Teague Jeff teague's out there find a new home. You just get a phone new location for Nia though. This is interesting. You know, this is interesting on Fournier. I'm always known him as a Polish guy and it's true. He's forty 1% on pull-up threes 36% on catch-and-shoot that is going to be a tricky line that they walk with him. And how much on the ball is he going to be versus how much off the ball cuz they're obviously are quite a few guys in front of him on the roster or bald Dom who need their ball time. So there's really not going to be a ton for him. We've talked about should he starts? Should he be that second unit guy and almost does kind of seem like he he might be like the perfect six men for the steam bath. I love how people bringing up or at least scale did other people have to do Isaiah Thomas thing. Oh, no, we didn't know about What do you say to help this team Off the Bench and then of course, look what happened. I mean, I'm not saying that's going to happen here but to a certain extent I can see that happen for sure. Yeah, he's going to be paid off. I don't think they'll be put up twenty-nine a game. Like I said, but you know, he's going to be as a mo Wagner is going to be Jonas Jerebko and our guy Luke. Thank you. Jose going to be what would the tell me the same thing is there's only one Luigi to do mint ruko. He was he was really cooking her before he got traded to so that's what I think but I see Wagner. I'm like the same thing has got nothing. But when Draco came over I remember distinctly I'm like, this guy's not going to do anything. But I'm an NP ended up becoming a real rotation guy. I don't know what to think about buying the numbers are horrifying, but who knows? No. No, we got to go talk to John Johnson having his man. Let's not talk about we're sitting here trying to talk about finding minutes. Ramen and and Rob and Tristan like let's let's not talk about Wagner you like I don't think nerd tonight kind of order 3 took a shot to the face off. I like 20 tickets and missed a layup that was actually seeing to put the ball on the floor like that. But that's a pretty good drive spindle. Yeah. I wonder if he can play some folk. You have that swap Grant but I don't be surprised when he got there almost hopefully there won't am I doing here like a smirk like, all right. I like it. Yeah, I don't know. I'm glad they gave the team a chance. They're not really what they have here. And yeah, you're right Wagner Luke. What's his last name? Hot Cornett format Coronet. Yeah, yeah, they they don't matter but for 28 in particular gives us team a chance it costs nothing. I know you want a tank John which I still don't see a reason to tank if they happened to just lose enough games to fall out of the playoffs. I don't think it'd be the worst thing that's like the worst wage tanking is deliberate tank is deliberate tank is trade away all the good players. So the players who are left don't can't possibly win that's tanking. Okay, but you meant I you know, I don't think he meant Bob you needed mean you John wants to see the team blown up. I thought you meant you wanted to mention one of the watery really like how much money which is what Bobby wanted, you know? Well no I said I said go one or two ways improve or do that and they improve you guys just want to go all you want to sell. I don't think selling was the right play I but that's that that's the difference. Right? Yeah. And what I said is this they're not they're not going to tank and they're not going to win the title. So they're going to end up in the playoffs most likely dead and they'll lose in the first or second round most likely but if they can easily play with some play with some passion, but you know play with some heart. I think a lot of fans will at least you know, I pulled out of their hair out for the rest of the remote to see Jimmy. I mean, yeah, that's a good point. It's been excruciatingly we've done this post game show every single night. Obviously we started last year when they came in trouble and we've been doing this. I mean, we have not taken a night off. So it's exhausting talking about losing the team win one lose one win one lose one or in the case of this team lose way more than they've won since they're eight and three start. It's exhausting. It's depressing. It's demoralizing. We follow this team, you know, you wanting yeah, we would much rather watch them play well and have some faith. Talk about instead of the you know, one-up one-down one-up one-down. So yeah, and it's you're right the the effect the psychological effect. It has on guys like Tatum and brown and sulking and this and that and Ange said in his press office today 8:30 a.m. You know, Bobby Bobby didn't get up in time for it. But but I answered the Bell what was in their thoughts on that to 2 a.m. 3 a.m. Schedule race. I told you guys between 3 and 6. That's the only time you just six now 36 I missed I missed the part where John ask for Danny Danny. Would it be the worst thing you could just slit outside the playoffs? Would that be the worst? What are you doing? I love the beginning of the I love the beginning of it too. Like he's like, hey, how's it going? I think it was it was Corrales. Good morning. Good morning John. How are you feeling? Like I slept so I'm feeling good off. Exactly. The point being is I'm going to give Bobby thought here because the thing that he said was what Bobby was saying, which was the reason Bobby's main point of why they had to do something was you can't do it to these guys, you know, and that was our reasoning for not tanking. We you know, you couldn't sell pieces off that would look bad but you know Bobby's point of improving whether or not you can get deep into the playoffs because you can't do it to these guys that was actually whether or not it's entirely true in the entire reason why age did it that's what he said was the impetus for making this trade was I felt we were down and we needed something and I didn't necessarily job. Want to trade this year for a you know, the theoretical rental player like Fournier is in a contract year, but I felt I had to do it because I had to give those guys something in that room because I felt like we were we were sagging so if that's true and if that's the real deal, you know, Bobby you were saying that like you gotta do something for these guys cuz eventually if they keep going out there it's going to explode like a bomb they're going to get they're going to get bummed out. So that's a good good for David. They already were I mean, yeah. Yeah. I was calling them to boo hoo Brothers Catering Tatum and brown. I mean you ever seem to gain more miserable like guys out and say we're getting the blame their GM was coming down them. Their play-by-play guy was a lot more fun than those two. I don't know. But yeah, I yeah and they suck. It's one that all the remember that Tony's to get all the brown. I don't go to these guys. Maybe in a lot this year and I know they haven't been the best. We've called them out at times but they go to 2 Eastern Conference Finals and three years carry this team through both those runs and then they come out here with semi ojeleye off in Grand and ties and just those are like their fourth best players on the team and Thompson's just slouching and because of all of that they're going to get called out as you know, not being good enough may not be having what it takes to be all stars high-level players and it even continued later this week. Oh you might have to trade one of these guys know what they needed was a little bit of support and a real roster around them this roster coming into the air was a joke. And I know you guys made the argument that you should have held up for something better with the TP. But Sarah knows this the team knows this there really isn't like a golden egg in the offseason. That would have been a perfect 28 it kills still use 17 of it, but they've got a really good player for nothing. So you take that that was the TP like you get a really good player for nothing. It's less that Bob go ahead just way we'll know that's exactly right before we sign off right before the the deadline right the last the last post game show. We had you went we went round table and and we all projects going to happen as it look right off the bench a low load guy know someone that can just be effective of rotation player. Then that's a win cuz that could be what this team is missing. Not that it's going to put them back up there with the Brooklyn Nets but it could spark everyone could bring you know enthusiasm. We saw the energy we saw the difference, you know tonight against the bucks, but you know to what to what Bobby just said, I just want to make it clear to that page. We're also going to hold these two responsible if this doesn't pan out, right like if 48 doesn't work out if it doesn't translate into wins, it's it's completely accurate or appropriate I should say I asked us to say well what's going on now? What's the problem now with Tatum and brown right before you around then they don't have enough weapons. All right. Well, you got 20 points for he can knock down 3-pointers. He doesn't need the ball berth. Has to be dominated, you know, so let's see what happens and then on the other end of that we can say Okay, that was the missing piece all we can say. All right. Well, what's the problem now, right? So how good is this team? You know bother you say that now now the pieces of their all right? Well, let's see what happens because if this team is the first round knockout like John talked about at the end at the end of the show or or his boss. I bought a second round because they run to the box of the the Seventy Sixers a lot of people going to be upset into thinking or get upset and saying oh Danny could have went for the big fish. Why didn't he get boot Savage? You know, why is Marcus still here. It's going to be a conversation. That's to be the narrative. If desired how do you feel about that one in the postseason? How do you feel about that one that they didn't get bucevic that they didn't get Gore and they weren't willing to extend themselves or something like that seems we talked about it before the before the deadline. Does that does either one of those players make this team or no way better than the Nets that this makes it. Does that make them right up there in the NBA Finals right away know that's the answer then you hold on to Marcus and let's see what happens in the offseason. See if there's another, you know, perennial All-Star or someone of that caliber that you can real in here. Here's the problem and this is a problem with where they are dead. It's not that it's not the fornia doesn't make them better now. It's not that you don't know what you could have done with the TP in the offseason. It's that to re-sign Fournier to re-sign smart to extend. Your home is to have Tatum's contract kick in your flying into the tax and you're going to have an insanely expensive team that is not championship-caliber. And so you're spending crazy amount of money on this team, which is still not at the level that can compete for a title and with very little opportunity to improve them unless you hit a home run in the draft or somebody develops in ways that you don't see coming. So this is your roster and it's expensive and you're in the tax and you are very very limited in how you can improve it largely because you've got the campus situation and him for a couple more years eating at 37 million dollars and it's just it is where you are. It's money well-spent on Tatum and brown for sure. You need that. But yep. Said is the only way you're going to stay competitive. If you retain all of your pieces, you have to retain Marcus, you have to retain fornia. You have to extend Rob and you do that you are an insanely expensive team insanely expensive. That's smart. One is still the one I really labor over to because I fully understood the people who said you lose your point guard, you lose your heart and soul all that stuff, but just from a strictly roster management perspective into the future. There's a real case for I don't know if I could have got it done cuz then redid ratchet up the offer and we talked about that but life if an inside today smart wasn't on the table. It was completely made up and I believe that that was probably Orlando really pushing from if they had the chance to do smart for Gordon and then pull in phone and Gordon so you get a two-for-one sort of here. Depending on how he does in Denver, that could be a tough one to live down cuz I think Gordon could have been a really nice upside piece into the future for this and you can't sign and trade. Is that right? Yeah home. Now the the ways to improve in this offseason are great. It's essentially going to be keep this group together have to run it back this team as they finish this year is your team at best next year not to mention and that's it. They'll probably have to use this year's pic to dump Thompson. That's like another thing they could have done here which they just going to end up wasting down the line. I know it's again the Thompson thing and again this off you now not only is Thompson Superfluous, but Thompson's the reason you were hard capped this year, which is the reason you ended up having to dump ice and now is a reason why you might have to you might have to use assets to move them next year. All right the same way you did with Canter. So you're please take our guys and take our picks, you know, like first round pick to it. Come on take them. Yeah, and so you don't want yo. Carsmart to what you mentioned John if they were going to do all this now, it would have cost more on top of all of that. But at some point you have to cash in for smart, cuz I think the day is coming where his values going to start sliding off that that contract that's that's your most tradeable contract. You know, it's right there. It's easy to match match deals and you still have a little tee pee let I mean, I don't think they'll still trade in a tricky spot. But here's the other fact created. That's the thing. I was going to say. I don't think they would trade him during the offseason. But when you're in a tricky spot, that's when the weird trades happened in the NBA, you know, we've seen I I hate this possibility too. But with that scenario, we just played out there if you can't dump Thompson would have put them in the tax. So maybe wrapped it up the offer to get rid of Thompson in that spot, like maybe give up some more pics and pull go down here just cuz it's for the good of the team long-term. I want to address this comment because again, you're right. This is where you are though. Now any sort of franchise altering moves involved? Get I don't like that. I don't like it either what I'm saying is the reason you're stuck is you're away from this from this conversation happens. Go ahead. You are the only way you have to possibly do stuff and improved and Jimmy's saying he's good. We're going to give you one good here. Yeah is is something like this you need to do something seismic and it has to involve what I mean and and everybody assumes it's brown not Tatum off. But what are you gaining there? You know, I mean, it's flattering. Yeah, it works, you know be worse to you know, why I'm also what goes with this right? I mean, let's say hypothetically a year from now this team has a record that reflects something similar to what we're seeing right now, right? It's Jaylen Brown going to still want to be in Boston. Like let's keep it 100 right? Let's be honest here. If you're in Jaylen Brown you want to get this another life or third try like listen guys. Well, we haven't gotten called NBA Finals since the bubble. You know, I'm thinking ahead here in 20 22, right? That's the problem I'm saying. Yeah guys suck. After all and let's do this ya know how it works. How many times we see this before young NBA players young All-Star, you know players caliber players say look either I want to play with those guys or you know, what I would start my own thing somewhere else. If you just if you're a second division team, if you're an also-ran if you're clearly outside of that top three in the Eastern Conference and you know, you're going to be for the next year or two. That's that's reason enough to say I might start looking elsewhere. So you're right. You're not you're only a year or two away from that where you might have to start considering it and then you start that's where you can get creative. I mean in two years you might have two dogs. You will have camber coming off the books theoretically there as well. So that's something I think what you have to do when you're talking about find somebody for Tristan. This is not Kemba hatred. It's just ultimately you might need to have to find a way to get somebody to take Kemba and pay them to do it in the offseason and that might be the only way now that's that's selling way to is it is but I mean, that's where it's it's it's that or wage. He's so you run into a similar problem. If you lose him for nothing. It's a real twenty Point score that gets flipped for a guy who can't score and then all of a sudden your team's backward was early this year. I you don't make up for it in terms of player caliber, but it gives you some flexibility to do other things. Yeah, I mean, there's only so long of a window here. I know they're not like a position soon took in a championship, but they gotta wiggle this out as best. They can they give themselves the best chance possible because like you said, I don't know if they'll be a third Tatum Brown contract and you can't like do a quick restart. Maybe that would be a good risk to take if you could get into the draft and find a like third star steel, but that's just so risky. When you have a team in place right now is they do that's closed. They're not quite there, but they're closed. I think you just have to ride with that because if you go in the opposite direction, there's no telling whether you're going to get back or not. I look at the Nuggets. I think they've already missed their shot. This isn't negativity either wage. Just the reality the reason anybody and again a lot of people wrote about this as well. The Nuggets missed their shot the foreign preference. I don't know if I admit they've got yeah, I get off the stuff that you have to look at the Celtics and do an autopsy of the team right now is this team in this roster, you know a title Contender because this is where they're going to be next year and that's the situation them and there's not a lot of ways to improve it. So that's what happened with the foreign aid, you know, the people who don't like it I think are looking at it and saying great but what are you next year when you look to improve how are you going to do that? It's going to be really, really challenging. My only thing is if they didn't do it there was a real chance, they go into the offseason. There's nothing there and then they get absolutely nothing for twenty eight million. That was a real possibility and I don't think that was a risk worth taking off. Especially with the consequences of like how this year just could have gone so wrong. I think that's the biggest reason why Isaiah Thomas is being mentioned so many times one because that's the last time they needed midseason a deal, you know, his name would be brought up before the trade deadline but also being brought up after the trade deadline because that was sort of the surprised that helped that self-esteem get all the way to the Eastern Conference Finals and it's sort of reminiscent of that scenario because it's like maybe you didn't have to quite be that good but he has to be significantly better than who he's been or at least be able to carry that over to the Celtics home and and produce if not the same numbers. But but even more than that, maybe that you know over twenty points and all of a sudden. Okay. Now it's something's in the best-of-seven series, you know, whether it's an S Philly in a perfect world tour. I think that's how you put it right John earlier like the others have a decent shot, right? They have a slightest chance. This is where you're stuck here. And again, this is the bummer the team players in the East off. Gray and brown you need my point earlier though. If that doesn't if that's not enough that what are we talking about here? Maybe these two just you know, maybe where you ever have that conversation and that's why they you needed that. This is what kills you is it. Yeah, there's a million things that happen here that kind of LED them to this situation with Kyrie leaving in the Domino effects off of that and then just having to resolve the fly and bringing in Tampa hastily to try to plug that hole and just always kind of playing catch-up reacting to things that happen Gordon left. Okay, let's get a tpe. Let's sign triste into a 2000 level and all of these moves have kind of hamstrung you. The day if they had just hit on a pic or two you'd be in a much better place right now. And again, you're not finding Stars the 14 slot, but even contributing players right now that you felt good about that are in the rotation would make you feel a lot better about this team right now. The fear is you don't have anything coming up and that's the prob. Which is why if they happen to sort of fall into the lottery this year and got lucky you need something. This is your best bet right now sadly is is cashing in a lottery ticket and not hitting on somebody in the draft. That's the only way you're going to get an infusion of talent at this point and it's kind of scary because when you're stuck in that mediocre Zone and you're constantly picking in the 17 18 19 spawned that's a hard spot to do it from so it's it's it's it's it's a challenge that's all they're the team that had everything in a ton of assets and young players and a roster, you know busting with tax is now in a position where it's hard to find ways to improve Yeah, I mean, I agree completely. So when I booted myself off and somebody bring up the idea of having to trade either Tatum Brown, is that what I missed it started with brown as the only big swing you can take you walk into what you are saying. Yeah, I mean no I was I was starting by saying there's still is real case that they showed a trade smart. Yeah, like as as the first step toward all those concerns, right? We brought them numerous times over the last month not saying the Celtics should trade to get him a brown but the possibility that one of those two guys might have to go at some point because they just might not play that well together too young. I completely disagree with that. There's a chance Bobby. I mean, I'm not saying today made to recitals together. Did they have they needed a lot of help to at that point now now there's no but they were the central pieces in it. One of them. Yeah, the idea is that they're down there one day and one B now, right? So what I'm saying is if that doesn't work then the Celtics they have to make a decision on on who's going to be the alpha on the team and stick and stick around who's going to be the guy who's going to be I mean a player like that can can bring back and again, I'm not advocating for doing it but it can obviously bring back a treasure Trove of you know players pics you name it and if you want to go further down Marcus Smart might might get you something and a guy that we talked about the beginning the show. I've said it before Rob Williams is now you're tradeable asset in the beginning of this year. You didn't have one and now you might say you don't have one still because Rob Williams has taken so much of a leap from tradable exactly where now he's considered untradeable before it was like, well, nobody wants him now. It's like we don't want to get rid of them. But he is still player that if John's worried about, you know, not having a lottery pictures or some sort of, you know, up-and-coming player to to fill roster spot here and there I mean, that's your guy or a girl can bring in a star I mean Bradley Beal, for example, I mean, that's an extreme one but a player that is a star in this league at least a GM would pick up the phone and listen to your offer. Now that you might have a youngster point though. You losing ground to bring that guy in I'm not saying Brown I'm saying if you I'm saying rob is a centerpiece. I'm not sure you're going to get built with Rob but you can get a player who's not you know, yeah, some guy what you guys are all mentioning would be the point that it was over the second Brown and Tatum a scout. It's over and I don't ask. Oh, yeah, you're obviously screwed. If not, even if one does. Yeah, so you're going to have to the one stays. Yes how they usually goes. It doesn't have to get to the point where one asks out. I mean Danny Ainge has never been shy to pull the trigger on a trade. He might get home. Might see the writing on the wall. You might be like, I've already been burned by Kyrie have been burned by Gordon. I've been burned by Horford. Maybe he's learned his lesson and he said listen. Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to be the guy that you know makes the hard decision here cuz he's also traded guys that you know, didn't so, let's be real they have a five-year window with brown cuz he doesn't have an option starting this year. And that's that's a longer window than be all happy. See all these other guys that we can't around the possibilities there. No, I no no, no and your car says I want to go somewhere he gets to go. That's why I thought it was so important to fix this team this year, like don't let that happen anywhere near here. But if they keep if they keep this rolling and they stay competitive. Well as they do have a little bit of time. No, I didn't say that I said if you don't like a hundred thousand I said either or I said if you are both yeah, they did they did the opposite they improved and I give them tanking would have saved would have made Pig. Ben Brown happy and not one trains. You can't well know things. I call it a t word I said, how dare you bring up the t word? Bobby said you absolutely can't take because of that exact reason you'll absolutely piss them off and you get out and you can walk in you know what you have with them, you know request sooner-than-expected. Yeah, exactly. And again is Evan Fournier the Savior that's going to keep Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown kind of make them so much better job is yeah, right. Yeah, Robin freeing Rob Williams is and you could have done that without trading for people. But anyway, well the Titan we we kicked around by the th grade was necessary in that sense, and it did hurt, but it's a good result. Just played Robb. Could you played Robb instead? Danielle's had to make it physically impossible Moneyball trade the tricky? Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, you're glad Brad isn't a guy who just changes his mind set in a like a day-to-day basis. I think he's been a good coach cuz he sticks to his Tendencies. So I wasn't going to fire Brad to start raw. Anyway, the only possibility waited until Brad left the room at 3:00 picked up the phone and traded Tice like I didn't know that was coming. I was like, well the deadlines / I'll see you Danny danziger. All right. Talk to you so funny Brown on the radio today. Yeah. Yeah. He like he was like, I was shocked when theis was traded. They had no idea I had loved hi ter goes as my playbook. What do you think that the I so let's dive in that one second before you get out of there. Why do you think Brad? That's Brad's approach? Why do you think it is like reliable middle of the road like not too much variance and not like Swain too much off a couple of performances because dead All of a sudden six-nation thanks. Rob should have been starting but Brad Stevens who's the real Coach who was earned this position says, it's the opposite like why do you think that is? Look, I've always said I don't think it's a basketball thing or a Stevens thing. I think it's a coach thing. There's a lot of coaches that do this and we made I made a cross Sports reference with Belichick. He did it to all season long playing Jason McCourty at corner, you know, because he's familiar and he's a veteran in Simon's at the edge and you guys who we have been around for a bit who are more situational players and he would trust them because oh they've trusted veterans and they can handle more responsibility instead of playing the the rookies Uche and winovich and this and that and it's like why aren't you playing the athletically gifted people and why are you joining on that? Because you trust them like they're veterans have been in the system they're coachable. And so, you know people fall into those patterns a lot. I think it's not just a bad thing. But with Brad again, it's you know, the deference to the veterans what he thinks a big is supposed to be Rob's a kind of outside-the-box sort of Guy where you have to like change your mindset a little bit to say, you know, you're used to like wage. I know what a center does and I know what I want this position to be because I know what I want us to look like and then you're not you're staring at another thing that's better for you and you just don't recognize it and I think that's what I think that's what happened with Rob all you're still happening. He's still saying Tristan might start. We'll see, you know, I get it for thys I don't get it for Thompson because this is not what they want. What do you think cuz you know, I was going to say I think I think a lot of what you said is true, but I also think what goes into that is also Brad thinking to himself like man, like he's just not waste supposed to be he's not doing the picking time. Like there was a lot of part there was a lot of rods, but even at the very beginning of the Season where he just looked out of sync with the rest of the players and I think a lot of time Brad just didn't have a lot of patience for that cuz I just think he looked at that position as like it's a ripple effect. You're not giving you know, the the the screens are crisp enough for potato man, you're causing turnovers or or you're not we're supposed to be in guide to getting back to the free throw line and we saw those frustrating stretches. Where were like, okay, It's going to pull them out and sometimes he would just honestly it seemed like he forgot to put him back in like he would be like, oh, yeah, that's not tomorrow. And then it was just a constant rate of wage agreements. Why are we talking about real-world issues? Just the point of any of this. Would you think five save America like we're freaking talking about basketball game off True Crime podcast podcast. Is this The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast talking about aliens. Oh man. I'm so glad this seems back on its feet and it really feels like just to see what might yeah for night. But let's see what happens. I guess we'll see you tomorrow. And this is the part of the thinking before needed to a very minor part. I don't think they did it because of this but now you have a guy who can play on the, back-to-back nights, which is pretty much going to go through the end of the month. And that should be a big boost tomorrow as well who's playing point guard like all day tomorrow all night tomorrow picture. It was smart in 48 will probably start together. Take picture. He's been calling every single person out there every writer and every single thing I wrote is positive Fournier is Off the Bench. And again, my immediate Instinct was you know, maybe to start but I have to think Brad wants this to be the three Wings starting lineup again and put smart back to the bench and and Thursday is like he's going to be great Bend score bet great bench scoring it. I don't understand that I believe in that but there's also this thing I've heard around 48th at like he really sees himself as a starter and like they might have to kind of like a gate back cuz he is an expiring deal now, it's it's at Drummond thing sorta that we think about there. So it will really be interesting the way they swing it there Brad on in his pregame do well and noncommittal to him starting. Yeah. He did. He would didn't really seem to be sure yet. I like the idea of him starting eventually. Maybe not in the very beginning, right? Yeah, why not put another weapon off there with those thoughts. Why not give opposing defenses more headaches? I don't see why what's what's the alternative especially if you have someone like Marcus, you know going off the bench to lead that second unit, you know printer ink, I mean granted playing better. And of course for me is going to be mixed in with those guys as well, obviously because it sucks need all the help that they can get from that second unit. So I like him being in that role sort of like what Gordon Hayward was look I don't I'm not trying to make that comparison. I feel like it's a little overused at this point, but and that instance it's a good it's a good time to use it. I guess like that's the subject need from him, you know his birth to do both. Yeah, you know how a Marcus Smart take it. I don't know. So he likes to be perfectly fine. Yeah. What do you think? I mean, he's he's spent a ton of them is a sixth man. I think he's used to rolling with the second year the best part about smart. Yeah, he won't care. What time is Dick's manic but you know, not recently. I mean, I think he I think he thinks he's good enough to be his life. He's dead. Is a closer to like how many lines how many times will you see lineup for campus not open a game Jimmy you kind of play this game. Jimmy. Fornia is going to be a free agent smarts not it's just think you have to play that game a little bit in this league. Yeah, I think so too also, yeah, that's a good point because I mean and also and I've seen it so many times I guess the Celtics for me I can get really hot in that first quarter. Like that's that's an advantage for for like guys like us that have been watch the Celtics Team all season long. Like how many times do you watch a first-quarter with it? They're they're behind by ten or twelve and you're just like they're probably going to lose this game. Like I think starting games of has all of a sudden like it's it's really important for the Celtics team. I think moving forward even if you get off to a slow start at least get someone out there that can get hot from behind the arc. You know, I'm not named Tatum or brown. Yeah. It's a tough call. I like I do agree with Jimmy that he probably is a better fit Off the Bench plus you look at the starting lineup tonight those five. That's a really good five their wage. It's just nice cohesion between them ton of defense and then you kind of bring Fournier and it's the spark guy off the bench from a basketball standpoint. That's the way I'd go. I think it's going to be a little more complicated but that energy maybe no doubt and I want smart coming off the bench. I just don't know if he's going to I don't know how much he's going to I mean who who who wants to go to go to the bench? I just think it's better you just if if you have people who took all handled the ball with that first unit and who are going to have space having smart running that point with the second unit. I think is just a smart move. You know, I just think it makes more outfit makes more basketball sense, but the tricky thing there too though is you don't really have a second unit. It's like smart and Rob and you know, what else is there in terms of scores and guys to distribute to you know, a pretty thin team. I don't you're right. That's a problem. But I'm thinking locker room. It's not really it's not really a second unit. It's your start that second unit has Tatum in it, you know usually suck. Based off the rotation. He's coming in late late first and running with that second unit in the second quarter just started at least so quick who's in who's in the second locker room, you think off all my God what we know that nesmith's in the second. He says he's able to that one every time he steps in the court. They're like, wait, who's this guy? Yeah, you've never seen this guy. I used to get you create shared in their Grant is definitely in there. Yeah tacos in their cars in there and everybody at the end of the benches in that second Locker British Grand Prix adapt ones that talk the most is Rob in there. No, I don't know. That's a good question. That's a bit here was like rock come over here, man, robs pretty quiet. I feel like grabs quiet. They probably you can come with us route. You won't you won't you won't bother us too much. Rob just strikes me as a guy who just leaves right after the game wearing his uniform and like shower shoes and just walking a bathroom just walk right out of the building actually kind of accurate man. They were times where I'll be walking to the locker room already dressed. He thought she was all those D. Yeah, you guys not a whole Court kind of guy. I do find that so interesting like that. You got robbed like that and then LeBron or like someone like that just like has like a two-hour routine and like sits down and like holds the 20-minute Court. We've all been there man kg and freaking Rhonda ago, and I was when I was at NBC and we couldn't go off it were just waiting to get those guys on the air as I wasn't now an hour and 15 minutes and I'm like and they're just sitting there so many late night. What do they want to hang out do their own thing? They would get treat Rhonda. Would you into a treatments? You would be they'd come off the court and the media just wanted to talk for five minutes and he'd be like, nope. I'm going to go get forty-five minutes of treatment. It would make everybody wait. It's like the president in the United States. They gotta Resort kg would I think that's definitely my Randall kind of learned it from that's where you got it. You know, I can do this I can get away with this great you guys make these these the plebs wait here and we sit there and wait all day. So Celtics media like relations, they didn't have any power to really smoke. They just sorry guys. Sorry. He's in there and then you know, how about you to wait 45 minutes and then they'd walk out. Sorry guys kg left. He went out the back like you're like really. Yeah. You went out the back. Sorry. Oh, okay. So tell us this comment puts it puts it very succinctly literally know nothing more dejected more dejecting just like your pawns. Yeah. It's like do you like there goes that story? Where was Kyrie quick? Was he ran out there. Kyrie was good. He was just like whatever. Yeah. Hi Rick Ross. Kyrie face the music you talk to every day. Anyway, really? Amazing be a little you to your face didn't make you wait around for an hour. He got it over with right away. He got the job. Back, you gotta be quick on your toes. I missed it. It's unbelievable how fast everything they're shifted because like it truly did all I know there were moments but like everything was just progressing smoothly right even do that first round that year. And then right when you hit round to it just blew up like an atomic bomb and it probably was just fizzling for a while. But like there really weren't signed start. There are too many jobs at those first two years. That was just going to capsize like that at the very end. I'm leaving this one up here. Romeo could be a big so here's the thing about Romeo you might hi Monday. He's actually not a human being waged notes. I haven't seen them. Have you guys have you guys seen him once this year? Joshua is taking a cellphone videos from The Garden of him warming up right now like Bigfoot two months ago, man. I used back freaking jacked. I'm telling you it's weekend at Romeo's. There's actually it's like the movie Weekend at Bernie's Danny Ainge tried very hard to trade Romeo this year. I just couldn't get it done. So we'll see if you can actually show up on the court and play. I'm still bullish on Romeo you are I'm I'm excited to see it should have for Nesmith is equal to the amount of lobbying for Romeo know I've been pretty honest about a basement right? Like I want to see play cuz I want to see what he can do. But everytime he plays I'm like, oh my God, you know, you want to see a place you can get mad at him know I want to you cuz you gotta see what you have in him. I agree completely awful, right Romeo has a framework and it's probably going to be next year. Yep. Try going to take some adjustment for Romeo to get back in the flow of things. But he he knows the speed of the game. He knows the defense. He knows all the stuff you need to from a full year of this, you know, maybe not playing but just being in practice and around the team and all that stuff. So I don't think it's going to be especially since they were so patient with this a massive leap from to get back out there and do stuff especially in certain matchups. So that's the advantage I gave Romeo. I want to be more patient with Nesmith because he didn't get to do all that and Romeo's returns have been kind of limited despite all the time and practice and summer league all the other stuff. He had. I'm holding out. Hope John because I thought I mentioned Grant role they'll be sent another match up for Romeo is a better version of Grant so he'll definitely get shots for sure you Smith Nesmith looks like the coach's kid out there. It's like threat before you go ahead and send the bone. She says go get nobody Bay home though, go get him and he's myth goes out there and just you know, he's running all around. He's diving for the ball. He's getting into my God. He's in the wrong place. And then you know he comes out of the game and you know good jobs rough John Syracuse at 9 or 9:55 tomorrow Celtics at 9. It's just another killer. It's a tough one. All right. Well, hopefully we against Bay Haim. 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76ers Sweep the Celtics, Jaylen Brown Explodes for 42 Points

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

1:52:45 hr | 5 months ago

76ers Sweep the Celtics, Jaylen Brown Explodes for 42 Points

"Okay want to tell you about one of our sponsors BetOnline our exclusive wagering partner BetOnline, of course where you get all your action NFL football NBA basketball about to get started up in the coming weeks here back and BetOnline AG is the place you want to go more options to wager than anywhere else online. So mine today take advantage of all the great mid-season bonuses offers and content that online yourself online Sportsbook experts use the code clns 50 when you go to bed online. Once again, betonline.ag code clns 50 to get you 50% off your initial deposit off Jimmy. We're alive Jimmy we're alive when you take it for no matter what available you have a chance. I live I'm disappointed the way he played her multiple big possessions. Okay my buddies you were Brad. Let's grab just reading, you know, where live right? Oh, where are you live? Yeah. During that whole week during the reading of the of the of the post-game realize. Hey, it's informative. We get the people that we get the people that knowledge. You might have to jump I you can't hear John took off the top. I can't hear. All right. We're already down a man Jimmy. We can't we can't live with this. All right, John versus Bobby. Let's do this two sides of the spectrum. I you know two sides of the coin we're going to be on a we're going to be on the same page with some of the stuff tonight cuz there was some atrocious things but people are kind of clicking in here Celtics lose second time and two nights to Philly knowledge surprise and it's not an excuse making sort of way. But, you know, we're waiting for Jimmy to jump back and we'll get started. No Jayson Tatum for a second night in a row. They lose. Let's bring in June Jimmy. What do you say buddy? Gotta you gotta show me know. I don't I don't. All right. Anyway, so Louis for a second straight night. We'll wait for Jimmy to come in before we get into the meat of it. Lots of talk about tonight. There's some good some bad eggs and brown an awesome game will get into him. And again, there's a lot to talk about with Jaylin cuz again, he just continues to impress Peyton Pritchard hurt. That's bad. We'll see how bad he hurt. But I mean he went out immediately and that meant more Jeff Teague minutes and nobody likes that and and just a whole bunch of frustrating little things to talk about so Bobby just your thoughts on the game and you know, we all watched it. I'm going to I'm going to get at Marcus a little bit again here for for for the down the stretch stuff. They're just inexcusable laps left and right that that really it really hurt him, but we could start with that or you can go in any direction you want but that's that's where I'm going to go. I'm going to go there to the turnover. That was the play you looking forward 20 left you down. Insects Simmons had just gotten and one and you let them run the other way for two and essentially and the game there with a lazy pass. It's more than that though before that. He's got that they're dead couldn't cut the lead the two on that nice Cut where he has a layup and then he turns he turns away up into a ten out of ten degree of difficulty sort of shot. Okay, and then they go the other way and they knocked down a three that was a five point swing right there, you know, I mean just a disaster and then and then the turn over there it just a total meltdown, you know light there, where you had a game that could have been a two point game and all of a sudden it's an eight point game and it was over and then Philly was off and running and Mark Marcus was whatever the opposite of catalyst is, you know for that he's wage if he lit the flame he was the Tinder Jimmy I like you up here buddy. So I'm moving you. What did I miss? Cuz this is the first time in show history. I couldn't hear you right off the top. I don't even I was probably off. An overview and didn't even know I was talking to all these are you were talking about the quote you're you're reading the quote and we were trying to tell you that we're alive we thought we were doing a perfect. Yeah, I no idea where I live. I mean I could have been reading a lot worse. But I mean, I guess some it up Brad Stevens sounded disappointed in the team in fourth quarter their checks out fourth quarter meltdown. We went in a little bit on Marcus there. I mean there was he's not the only person there was a lot of breakdowns, but just that exchange there where he took that crazy degree of difficulty lay up and then and then and then the turnover of course and the game was over there after he threw that lazy past December and so I'm just a bad couple of sequences there for Marcus but really the whole team in the fourth quarter just to collapse like that. I mean how many times what was the game earlier in the year where it was over and then the other team wage at a no running twelve seconds. It was the printer tip-in game. No, yes, another game of the starters had to come back into it was that there was the other the Pritchard tipping game I think was a temp and it was the ten nothing run against. Yeah, and that happened in like Forty-Eight seconds at least 90% off. Yeah, so that has happened this year. Certainly. We know the defense hasn't been great all year. I think that's where things started to go. Awry early in the fourth lapses against them achieving him get another way in with some kick-outs. I was disappointed though that they did such a great job and Joell embiid in this game. Now you end up with 38, which doesn't look like a great job in the end but the ominous and follow truck they forced a little frustrating stretch on him through the Midway point of the game and to lick spins and forth who had been struggling for straight Quarters off. I'm going to Danny Green little bit too when we consider his offensive rebound and then stretch to this one as well and white, but he was great in this one and a third quarter like the role guys suck. And here I thought this is the worst bench night for the Celtics and the story was collapsed too, of course in the end, but with set it up after the Celtics had a commanding lead me through was that bench disaster and the third I thought green was better. Wait that early in this one. You know, semi got going a little bit late think at ice got knocked around a little bit by embiid as you would expect and Robert structurally, but you can't go back to him later. So not the best site for the bench and you know how I feel about Jeff T. I don't even have to say anything about his night. You really you really are going to go over there Jeff to you're going to give the Jeff Teague cheap shot this early in the show. You couldn't receive an awful you so bad when you get off of the people. We're going to talk about who are bad. Are we gonna have not seen time on the guy who's like the fourth guard on the team who plays about eight minutes a game or the two two dudes who started who were just absolute net negatives again with Grant Grant Williams and Tristan Thompson starting starting players who they were better than T though Thompson. I'm not going to really bad Thompson tonight. I thought he played much better at Wednesday. They tried to get him. They tried to get him going a little bit early in the game. I mean they were driving to the hoop and they were finding a wide open under the basket. He missed a couple or at least not one that I mean John like we've talked about he he makes it look difficult on offense. He makes it look very very difficult, but ball just is not leave his hands like how it should I do? We talking about Thompson. Like like the four foot six foot glad everything is you can't you just can't really get to where it needs to get but they are working at it. I thought you played off tonight then Wednesday on awesome. Yeah on offense. Yes. Sure. It's still not good. I heard Grandy on the radio say and bead and this is for the third quarter 9010 against Thompson. It's not even course. It's an automatic bucket. There's not even a token resistance. It's it's abysmal is not much better either on the defensive. Yeah. I mean, I know I mean they have no choice very few people have someone who can match up with them grabbed it. All right Thompson is supposed to be able to put up a little bit of a fight any any any can't now embiid is just nasty. That's stretching my arms against Rob in particular cuz Rob was, you know competing down there holding his ground, but then he would pull out the spin move and the footwork and the ducting Up and Under against them just impossible moves to deal with and then you saw him gaming the official job. When they started, you know, you saw tight bum a few times on some rebounds he comes up with the neck you comes up with an E. I think that was in the second quarter and all of a sudden after halftime the free-throw start off again. I saw you got up to 11 by the end of the night he ends up, you know, it wasn't a twenty one free throw type knife for him. But you know, he he made his Mark with the officials end up getting his fourteen or fifteen at the life the end of this one. There's efficiencies insane. He hits both threes. I mean this guy is just moving closer and closer to MVP status to start this year and again through follow trouble minutes. He scores 38. I know Greg Greg Leclerc is clearly not a big Grant and comment is up there for a long time poor Grant but I will say it was tough watching him try to put some low-post moves that he just did does doesn't have I mean, I I don't know where you go with with Grant. I know they're starting them right now. I'm Maybe I'm Wrong. My basketball brain is big enough, but I just don't see maybe what other people see in terms of really what he's oh Brad really good at out there Brad clearly stopped seeing it as well because he he he pulled the plug in the second. He pulled the plug early sometime late too though. No, but I'm saying he played eleven total minutes. He played for in the first half down what I hated to that you sought any any any any any any kids, right? Well, it's a tough matchup. I mean anybody put in that position. It's going to be tough. We haven't mentioned Tobias Harris or maybe you guys haven't lived I wasn't listening. I mean most serious another guy that he's a guy that Listen, he can score you got the money that he got but I think a lot of people in Philly would probably would have probably gotten rid of them. If they could I mean, he's the guy that you can't let him get everything he wants to get like tonight and he was a Wednesday he was he was great for them and tonight he was even better. So if he's on and Simmons is doing his thing which again, you know, it's crazy that he won't need a 18-footer but he's so effective the way he is on both ends. I mean, it's almost like you want to criticize him and I want to make fun of him, but I can't because he's the reason that's silly pulled away. Like they did down the stretch there in the former. I mean just what the other effects he has in the game. He said no mid-range shooter and those break up the game a little bit kind of like a brown thing that you save some time this year where Philly always talking are we talking about Harris or off here Harris? Okay. Yeah Jimmy at sweet. I moved it to Simmons. And I know it's images in a great. I know it's seeming to hold them from like Celtics were in Striking Distance. And then Sim Affecting the game defense event and on the offensive and even though he doesn't shoot it's still reason to you know, consider him, you know a very lethal option out there on the court. Yeah, and he gets the transition game opening and you shouldn't see the game that wide open in the fourth quarter though and that comes down to the turnover that we already went over a bunch. But I also see from the Celtics this whole situation and the Sixers did it too and they got hurt for stretches of the game doing this just gaming the officials and granted it, which was worst of all you're going to take this crazy Fade Away shot on the base sign and stop playing talk to the ref and that that ended up being a transition break out in the third quarter and it's like what are you doing? You haven't had any success All Season offensively you think you're going to get a call back and you know smart does it a little bit Jalen has done a little bit of the series. So all right a lot you mentioned it smart is now at the point where he's like, he's like the boy who cried wolf. Even if he does get fouled like I don't even think he's going to get the benefit of the doubt anymore because of of like the history there with the Flaming about the play at the beginning the elbow Falls and be just sent it out to her boss and he's just like he's like what what's what's this guy doing and then they go and you know go down the court and Marcus's protect. You got hit in the mouth. He didn't get hit in the mouth. I understand reacting to a novel that's coming your way. But God, I've never understood 150% Like I've never the Reps there are cameras. Okay, they they watch this if they don't catch it in real time. They see it after the game like that stuff kills your credibility. You can't you can't do stuff like that all the time when didn't have a chance you've completely lost credibility. There's no way home tonight and beat embellishes everything and it's more embarrassing when you do it when you're seven to two hundred dead. Seventy pounds. You're drinking a margarita actually. Yeah good for you. That's a good question. Well, you know I figured it's Friday night. I imagine a few of the people watching tonight are probably have some sort of backing them. So we like to sort of mix it up with the comment there. So I figured I'd you know join the people on you know, a little casual just nothing crazy. I I respect I've got to get drunk on you got a full bar behind me. I might have to go back to throw it on big screen to Bob. You'll talk about the big screen to you. I'm going to get a drink Bobby down and talk about let's do a commercial break right now with screen turn off. The Raptors are back to do that. Now. We'll do that later. Yeah, we did we'll get to that at some point. But the market smart Joell embiid is a nice little bonus to this Bungalow robbery. I think you know when you talk about who the Celtics Rivals right now, I think it starts with the Sixers. I'm not talking historically I'm talking right now today. It's the Sixers. I mean the heat are creeping up but I don't call that a rivalry and I don't really know what other teams you you even have as a rivalry right now to be honest, you know, you see you throw away last year series because Philly was so uncompetitive there and if we were two years ago too I guess but there's some animosity between the two. Yeah, but the games were intense enough you have the familiarity of the divorce games is teams going to play each other four times a year and then on top of that the playoffs that's that's as close as you're going to get in today's game that the proximity right. So the the smart the smart and be home, you know a little back and forth. They had some comments for each other out where Marcus Smart have some comments Grand beede and was that friendly or was that friendly it was that apprehensive you think I was a little girl. I mean it's not like hatred but there's certainly I'm sure that there's some annoyance and animosity between the two and I suddenly have a nice little Embrace after the the elbow that wasn't from MB down. I know what that was all about. But anyway adds to a little bit of the the drama these teams are going to see each other. You know, I would imagine in the playoffs at some point. So I wanted to talk about something you said earlier cuz during during the playoffs last year with Simmons out. And again, it was a Simmons for Hayward swap. So you can argue in terms of value to each team what that would have done in it, but so much wage have Simmons being a game-changer because of his defense and certainly he like made big defensive plays late in the game here says no one's going to deny it but he was primarily on Jalen for a lot of the first game and and and stretches tonight and Jaylin ate him alive ate him alive. Yeah. He Jalen's too quick into a Simmons is a phenomenal athlete Jalen is too quick facts. Are we going to talk about Jaylon? No, no, let's go there because it is by far the most impressive thing that he's I mean you you suck. It in a text and it's kind of half-joking but like your like Jalen is Jordan, but like well people used to joke about it. And now I'm afraid of production. He is getting any shot. He wants my daily times and it's the most amazing thing about Jalen is I still don't think he's hit Peak like there's still a place he can go where he is going to be legitimately uncomfortable. Like he'll be cuz he's almost there where he can get anywhere on the floor. He wants at this point and all of these shots. There's it's so rare. He takes a Tatum type of shot. Which Tatum a it's a great that's a great point, but he doesn't take Tatum shots where he's like, okay right shots. He just he's physically able to get where he needs to go because he's faster and more athletic than Tatum is and nobody can stay in front of him. So he's constantly moving. He's got the little Jitters and and the crossover it cause Simmons was off-balance all night Sims was crossing himself over trying to stay in front of jail, and he could not do it off. Couldn't do it. I meant the market smart shots. He doesn't take the Marcus Smart shot know. It doesn't but I'm saying Tatum takes him and makes him. I mean, it's part of his grave. Right, right. Yeah, you're right. You're putting your I I mean, he's like, I'm not a very high percentage. So that's part of the state. But Jaylynn doesn't do that Jalen's points. We're talking about a what seems to be an unsustainable shooting unsustainably high shooting percentage for mid-range, but one of the reasons he's doing it is he's there almost all good looks you know Browns like Browns like mechanical like methodical like, you know, when a quarterback drives down the field they call it like methodical drive like Brady it back in the day. I feel like more Jaylen Brown style where you know, you're not relying on the Hail Marys, you know, he's he's just firing down, you know, ten yard pass 12-yard eight yards, you know what I mean and like all of a sudden and the game, you know, he's got 30-plus points now, that's like I know what is it? He's got like five thirty plus games over the last over this season or something like that and good for you tonight, and it's becoming less 320 Plus. Yeah, so it's becoming less surprising to see and put up those numbers. Of course. He's doing it without Jayson Tatum. So he's being asked to do a little bit more. He's taking more shots. He's being looked at to take that job, but he's also stepping. I know they took the loss and they lost the earlier this week, but he's still in my opinion stepping up and doing everything he can to keep at the very often these games competitive and get the Celtics a chance to win them yet should be great. It would be great if they could have won one of these two without without training but it is it is a tall task when you're playing. Well, I think we all are one of the best teams not only in Eastern Conference, but possibly, you know, you know a team that you know obviously is a I don't know top 10 in the in the in the league for sure. I don't know where you put them but am I playing right now, I was worried to when Campbell came back. I think we all slightly had this worried that the ball would come out of his hands a little bit and against the next we saw that especially ended, you know, summer right, Yep. Is part of his Corner Jalen stuck in the corner taking the catch-and-shoot shot side, I believe like six of his first eight shots and that game or catch and shoot threes and kemba's usage rates through the roof in that game. I wrote for clns. It was like 44 to 30 J. 122 Jalen and that game and then they come out last game against Philly. He gets right on the ball that I'm able to complement each other a little bit they trade possessions and again tonight. There's no issues back and forth between those two ran through boots. I'm curious the numbers but the boss ran through Brown on so many possessions and it kills me. I tweeted this during the game. It's it kills me when they have an entire possession when Brown doesn't touch the brake it when we talked about a few games ago. I remember like we were killing Marcus Smart taking too many gyro ball shots late in the game and a loss. I can't remember which game it was and you know, we got into that debate who should shoot them. Couldn't Shoot Grant took a corner three in the Detroit game. Yeah, it's less about who's touching the it's less about who's taking the shots and more about who's touching and going and tire possessions without brown in this case or wage Adams here without brown and Tatum touching the ball drives me insane if it going to shoot it the balls gotta get in their hands somewhere during a pizzeta during possession in late in late situations in tonight up until the game got away from them. Brown was consistently having the ball in his hands. They were running things through him didn't happen. Chemist first came back as you mentioned, but you can throw that one out the window. Okay got away from little bit last game to game seven shots in the fourth. I thought that was on the mark really six one was garbage time, but he he's efficient. If you get him ten shots, he's going to make five or six of them if you get him 30 shots as well above 50% here in that playoff game. I think it was game six against Toronto last year. How many shots did he take in that one that drove Jimmy crazy? I think it was over thirty and I remember being a brown No, it was it was I think it was like mid to Upper twenties, but this was an account when everybody was playing and like it was a little different situation. Well, I just never have a problem that I'm shooting as many it's like the more the merrier because there's efficiencies through the roof and it was last year but most of his career and you know throughout the first two years there. He's an upper 40s and now above 50 consistently shooter from the field as he's a great finisher that mid-range has expanded and you guys said that's not those Marcus shots. Well, he's taking all of those pull up. The reason I ask is a ton of them. So you look at a shark shark, right if you just hits from everywhere you turn that right? I'm shocked when a three point when a when a clean look at a three dozen go down when jail and shoots it. It's it's amazing right now free Thursday there now. I mean if it's a couple of late, but again late when this conversation before and it's it's useless it really, isn't it just fun to have cuz it doesn't matter but dead. Ikey could be as good as Tatum. Why not? You know, what's stopping him? Right that's not there's nothing stopping him at all. And you know, he's going to be gone this year before we go on. Going to well. There's not going to be an All-Star game. So who cares? I don't know probably still name the right. Yeah. Yeah, probably this is new because we did like an entire segment on like, oh, why is everything so hard for Jalen Brown and Jayson Tatum, like everything just looks hard for them. Like that's literally said we did this like not like maybe it was right before the season started or right after right after it started up. Yeah. They look. Yeah looks like everything is like heart like f like a tempered exactly like you don't have to go that far back. So this is a new development. We're all a like. Oh, this is Jaylen Brown. This is who he is Bubba like, this is a this is Jaylen Brown 2.0. This is like bubble brown, but like even more so so it's great to see and I loved I loved Happening is a great Point Jimmy cuz it does we did talk about like right seemingly sometimes make it hard on themselves genuine. You still have a lapse or two with some sloppy turnovers or a tad high for him still. But again, that's also going to be a byproduct of just having the ball in your hands a lot more than he used to wear offense didn't run through him as much so that's going to happen on that it is so it looks effortless this year not effortless, but smooth easy. They look, you know, it's just natural. He's just everything it's you always talk about I always use the analogy of like, you know, if you guys have all seen The Matrix, right? Yep, I do finally figures it out and all of a sudden everybody's moving real slow. Like that's what the game start starting to come like 4 for Jalen. It's like everything slowed down around him and he's like I get it now and it's so easy, you know, I mean not easy but it's so much more natural than before where he just kind of go and then hope you know, we'll see how this ends up got home. I don't know. I don't think you can say enough about it. I think a lot of commenters here are saying it like he's better than Jason already. He's better than Jimi advice. So it is but you said why can't he be but I at this point, I don't know that you can you can make a strong argument with certainty that Tatum's absolutely the the man so hate him still has on him as the pick-and-roll and I came into the season. I got blasted for a little bit. I I shouldn't have because we have good men saying he's not even a second option, but I was hesitant to see if he could become a game. All handmade to where you can make plays for others and run effective pick-and-rolls and he's doing it. He's heading Tice he's finding guys on the short roll and all those other things but Tatum dominates it and I thought still have grapes about him turn over sometimes in it, but when he hits it that pick-and-roll with hate him just brakes teams down and they go on, you know, ten fifteen Point runs with him on the floor Browns great in his own game right now. He can hit big pull up shots. He almost brought them back into it in the fourth tonight. He played a great fourth, but Tatum blows teams away and you look at the on-off numbers and with him and he's such a great help Defender 2 months and you know great defender in his own right? It has a great team Defender. He's on the floor. They just think he's an unbelievable. I agree with that. There's stuff that page does it still doesn't register enough with with people and you know play making it a lot of different things. Now the thing I like about Jalen is he puts more pressure on you, you know, we're dead. Pay them has that kind of slow. Lull you to sleep. I'm going to hold it. I'm going to dribble. I'm going to set you up on him and go and Jaylen gets it and goes, you know, and I'm always more in favor of putting the pressure on the defense. How may miles did you were talking about jail and getting to the line how much of that is simply based off of speed and catching people backpedaling and off guard a lot of it. There are a couple of times where he actually wasn't super in control, but because he went hard and fast he got the call. He bought the call because you know, everyone was trying to settle and you know, figure it out as opposed to Tatum who's going to kind of hold it back there and everybody's going to be waiting to see what he does. So I took like that I think Stevens always talks about playing faster in general and and I think I think Jalen does that whereas Tatum is a bit more methodical and in calculated and you know how he goes about things I'd be interested to see through those transition numbers with him because just looking at it. I mean him on the break is like Simmons Giannis LeBron these kind of guys who just create a faster. Break and a fast-break attack of their own. That's what we saw for stretches of tonight to where they could open up their offense just by giving him the ball on the break and him doing something with it. And that's what he came into the league great at that was a nice first awesome attribute. And now it's the centerpiece of everything. He does still well. Let me ask you this, but I'll go ahead Jimmy and then okay fine. I will. I was just going to add a quickly there was posted that was somebody said that Tatum is more like hard in the sense where he avoids contact a bit will be more inclined to take the step back and I think I'm not comparing to my heart but I think that's kind of accurate like in the sense where Jaylen Brown is more. I mean if we're making ridiculous comparisons, he's more like a LeBron in a sense. We're full draw contact, you know, he won't sort of force a 3-pointer or no hole go drive to the hoop more more than I think Tatum would whereas Tatum's more likely to give me tell me more likely to do what we what we had talked about where he's holding the ball he acts more like a point guard a lot sometimes Tatum does and that that's that's fine. That's his skill. I mean, it's it to be that size and to be able to get back like a point guard is a positive. So I'm not trying to knock him. It's just different different playing Styles. Sometimes it benefits them and sometimes it might hurt them, but certainly we're seeing wage. and brown Evolve grow whatever word you want to use into a level that I think a lot of us weren't sure he was capable of getting too long. I mean that's I think that's pretty fair to say and it keeps getting higher. That's the thing not to keep now that we're setting the bar higher for himself. We're we're like where else can this go? That's what's amazing to me home right now. There were seeing it were saying well now that we're seeing you can do this. Well now maybe you can do that and like I'm starting to see that you can do this too. It's it's almost like a business that you thought they you only did one thing and then they and then they and feel this whole new whole new product that's going to you know, open them up to this, you know extra growth, you know, that's kind of like what we're seeing out of a guy like Jaylen Brown you just seeing more than I thought they are you capable. I put up a couple of comments quickly on the screen. We are going to talk a little bit more about Tristan Thompson, even though we hit it a little bit and we are also going to talk about Peyton Pritchard and game. Updates the Celtics are talking now. We'll update as we go but right now they said knee sprain we'll talk about what that means. I did want to address an earlier comment and it kind of dovetails into something that you wrote down Bobby. Which was how do you think Kemba is going to fit with the Jays here? Because it is going to be interesting when when Tatum is back what this is going to look like and we'll get into this a little bit later to Kyrie in his second game back know Durant tonight, but the Nets drop a second straight to Cleveland. So they're experiencing some Growing Pains having a ball dominant three people who need the ball in their hands and also suffering on the defensive and it's actually interesting the parallels between these teams right now, even though the talent level on Thursday Brooklyn is hard to ignore but Bobby you wrote about it talk about that. How do you think this fits can buy into this offense when when Jaylen and Jason are here? Well, it's it's going to go one or two ways. You could yep. Potentially spread split your usage between those three like 25-25-25 which probably isn't going to happen because you want Tatum above Thirty there. I'm interested to see how the balance between camber and Jake is going to go because you know, no one's in a question Tatum having all the usage all the ball time there but last year if you look at the numbers and we saw it visually during the playoffs as well. When that starting five was either Jalen was occasionally just a you know, kick behind everybody else on the offense occasionally smart as well, which was the very last year. That doesn't seem as much of a worry now that I'm not going to be able to get ahead of smart, you know smart is embracing kind of that fourth roll now taking less than 10 shots a game, but I don't want him to fall back to 24 where he was last year if he can stay smart with 17,000. Yeah, but you know, they they don't have paid them. So you're going to have three guys over 10 at something watch for sure. Now. I love the way Brown and Camber playing off each other. Now, the easy solution is to give them all of their own bench minutes with players alongside them on the bench and luckily semi and others have been good enough to make that work this year until tonight, but it's a great question because we do we just say if our whole segment their feed Brown feed Brown feed Brown. There's those nights where he's six four eight eight 4:10 and you'll like if if you had eight more shot, you know, we'd be able to hit a good percent of those and you know, he makes the best use of those possessions. I don't know. How do you guys feel about because I don't think anyone's freaking out about Kemba taking a bunch of shots either. He's incredibly efficient and a great playmaker and control. I mean, I'm a little worried know John studs know. I mean, I'm a I'll give it the benefit of the doubt because ultimately I think dead. You would rather have talent and then figure it out then have not talent and and have to face we've seen the problem of having to deal with not talented lawyers and how difficult that is for Brad right. Now. We've got the Celtics have problems between the Grant Thompson struggling right now, you know semi used sparingly Javonte probably playing more money needs to even though I think he's played really well. So that's a bigger headache than trying to figure out how to incorporate a player of canvas caliber. However, I am definitely a little worried on the fit here and I'm starting to wonder whether or not he's better in a microwave not Vinnie Johnson microwave role, but I'm starting to wonder how this would look potentially Off the Bench with with Kemba but never had now I think ever happened and honestly, this is crazy talk because we're talking about. Oh, we're worried about the fit. First of all these guys played together last year and they played pretty damn well and when they were all healthy birth the issue though like if there was any issue was that What it was what the balance of the shots the ball timeline, but but Bobby this is the end. I mean you you you want to talk about it leave it needs Stars Superstars. What did the Nets just do they had a chance to go and get lost their team and get James Harden. You think they're worried about you think they're worried about how it's going to work how it's going to fit. I do think they're a little worried. Okay, but they weren't worried enough to not do it, right. That's my point. So you said it's been this thing. Oh chemical me back might actually be a bad thing for the Celtics. They still have not a bad thing, but that's essentially I mean that's so I'm wondering look, it's the same way. It's the same logic Jimmy behind. I know you're not saying it's a bad thing. But what your giant you kind of alluded to the point where maybe if they're coming off the bench. It's like he's too good to come off the bench. You have to find a way to make it off and I don't think it means that it's going to like hinder G. Listen Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum and Kemba Walker all can't go out and score 40 points tonight. They're going to have to Figure out how to get each other involved some one night. It's going to be one guy one guy wanted to the other. I think Kemba Walker might take a backseat a little bit points-wise certainly because of the emergence of Jaylen Brown and juice and Jayson Tatum as well. I think he's the type of guy. That's okay with that. I think that might be one of the reasons why Danny Ainge brought him in not just for what he can do off the court, but it is on the court but his birth personality his team-first mentality and his willingness to maybe watch Jason tape not watch and do nothing but allow those guys to grow in a way that maybe time being wasn't so into doing as we as we can probably guess right. I mean, you know, certainly we don't think Kyrie Irving in Terry Rozier got along and I and it sounded like a dead person. Maybe they get along now, but the way Jaylen Brown was was talking about sheer didn't seem or not last year two years ago didn't seem like he was a huge carry permit fan either isn't a Kyrie Irving bashing segment. It's a pro Kemba Walker segment that wage. I think that he's the type of player that can allow those guys to grow and you know help the team win and he can be part of it now and I don't want to insinuate that this is a problem at all having all through them having the opportunity to sprinkle them across bench lineups and always have one of them on the floor when all three of them are back. There isn't going to be a second in the game that brown Tatum and Kemba isn't on the floor and that's going to solve a long bench issues that we're seeing right now. It's just the Aggregates going to add up. They're all going to get their shots over the course of the Season. They're all going to have great Seasons. They'll just be those certain nights in the playoffs. If they don't work out perfectly before then that you might see brown have eight shots and just kind of take a few Corner threes here there and you want to set him up. I think what's good though your past that we can't have that anymore. You can't but what I do think is name is Browns such a great off ball player. And this is where you killed Simmons in the series too, especially on Wednesday. He'll get himself great shots not being on the ball to you know, he shoots well off the catalog. Cross the three-point line his cuts are amazing. And what's the difference right now between Kemba in the playoffs you guys have emphasis has two and ten, but now is that Campbell looks great bounce here making plays if that's the Kemba on the ball and you get Brown's best off the ball. It works as those are their strengths, you know, like brown came up being a great off ball player. I know you'd love to empower him. But if Ken was rolling Browns rolling tempers are Tatum's rolling. It's all going to fall into place, but the questions if he's not himself, so that's the question the question but I you know what? I'm getting a lot closer to apology can buy the game because he's looking better and better there's no control is just yeah, there's any listings for me right now, it's just it's just how does he look out there? Is he moving the way that we know he can move that we've seen a moving the glass If he if he doesn't have the greatest you tonight. I'm not concerned about that. It's all lower body to me. I want to see how he's moving. That's it. I want to see if home To get the next game off or if he needs to have as many as lemnitzer if he's stretching them, you know, if it looks like he's not playing a number set in right now. I don't see any of that stuff. So I don't either I'm fine with I'm I'm actually I'm I'm happy to be wrong if that's where this is heading. So I mentioned this to Jimmy just a minute ago. He's going to encourage Brown to and this is what I love about him. Like this is the rare attribute of him is that he comes out after Sunday and says Brands just gotta keep being super aggressive. I'm going to do my part. I'm going to play hard. I'm going to shoot my open shots, but he's killing it. I don't want him to think that just cuz I'm back you can't keep killing it because he can that's what I'm here for to continue to encourage him to be great. I love a quote like that weekend the cliches all the time and what these quotes mean, but, does seem to embody that the way you place on the way you purchase things know no doubt about it. I mean and like, you know, you type we made fun of all of the over-reporting of Cam Newton and his attitude and his smile with the Patriots this year, you know, yep. But darling kemba's got that thing. I mean, he shines it on certainly with the smile, but you always do feel it's genuine. I mean every single thing we talked about with him last year. It was almost like he was like send back to Boston to not be Kyrie Irving like it was every single thing. He did said the way he took accountability for things after the way he always gave credit to his teammates home. Nobody's going to question that the attitude is awesome and he's just a guy people like having around it's just the basketball fit at this point as as the as the Jays continues to evolve in the need for them to have the ball in their hands all the time becomes apparent. Then you're asking a person who's done. One thing is entire career to do something else and took a while, but the problem is when he's of greatest value is when he's got the ball in his hands and just kind of going and being instant offense on his own. So that's kind of the Dilemma is you can't really ask him to do something else because any thoughts Going to be the same player, you know, so no, I mean you're right. But again, it almost goes back to Tunis to its extent. I guess kind of what Jaylen Brown is like we didn't really know what he was capable of fully and he added sort of to his game Widow. So maybe there's more to Kemba Walker's game that pulled the able to grow that we didn't necessarily know we had behaved was never really asked to do it on the other on the other hand if Kemba Walker keeps playing the way he is and showing that he's healthy. Listen. We know Danny Ainge will trade anybody right? I mean aside from maybe a couple a couple of guys, but you know, my point is he's not he's certainly not scared to make a deal and if and if another team feels that Kemba Walker's now healthy enough where they can make a trade him and the dream trade is there. I mean, you can't rule that out. Now, you know, the whole thing was getting Kemba Walker back on the court betrayed. Yeah, you can't vote. I mean the whole thing was you couldn't trade, because he's hurt and he's never going to be the same and he has a degenerative knee issue will hold on now. Maybe that's maybe that was a little too much pushing the panic button. Maybe he is should be okay and now maybe he's Kemba Walker again and maybe like you're saying John he just doesn't fit. I'll say this if you're doing that it's for the long-term and you're sacrificing now and we would lose our phone lines are at least I would you know, cuz I'm not vouching for it. I'm just giving you different, you know reasons why it's different I guess possibilities with the with the re-emergence of a healthy Kemba Walker, you know, worst case worst case. He's healthy and playing well, but he's but like, you know, you guys are what John's kind of thing is he he needs to bomb or he needs to be the score and he can't really he he can track, you know show his worth with his current roster. Well, maybe he would maybe if there is another team that would need a Kemba Walker wage. A primary ball score, you know more than they need something else. And yes, and I can't off the top of my head think of matches here. I still think he's too much of an injury risk than the fact that he's an older smaller player. I don't see Kimba really having trade value. So I think that the thing you have to do here is just figure out just the fit on the court and it might just be there the best players you put them out there and you'll figure it out because ultimately that's what you've got and it maybe takes a little bit of time but I am just desperately don't want to see the ball come out of money. I mean all when Tatum's on the floor, I already know I already don't like how Jaylin can sometimes disappear in games just because of Tatum's presence and it's not anything Tatum's doing wrong. It's just sometimes what he needs to do to be him. And then when you throw in the occasional Marcus Smart gyro ball or trims Tristan getting the ball in the lane and thinking maybe I should shoot to you know, like and you have five 6 a.m. Trips down the floorboard Jalen's not touching the ball at all. I hate that, you know, this comes down to how good camera is going to be in that role because he's better in that role than brownies and he's rolling the way we've seen it right now, then it's fine cuz both on the place, but he does have to shift to this eventually. He's here till 2023. He's not going to be a head of brown for all of those years and he's going to have to find where he can fit in alongside those two if he is going to be here for the rest of the car game a little bit of recency bias this, you know, Kemba Walker cardiac has made a career on hitting massive massive massive shots Layton game. I love Kemba, but it's like I know I know you do but you you're almost comparing like, oh, I don't want I have the ball in the games just like I don't want Marcus Smart. I don't want me the other guy not to have the ball not gonna have the ball away and like there are going to be points where he's in have the voting any games and he he might miss it, but that doesn't mean wage. The wrong idea or the wrong play like only because we all have to assume that Kemba Walker is going to be on the court late in games and he's going to get the ball at some point of having one more guy in the court that can hit a massive shot is a big deal. It's a good thing. I don't want him on the bench. So again, we went to oh shoot he started. She said it doesn't matter cuz at the end of the game, he's going to be on the corner. Yeah the bonds up in his hands. I'm okay with that in the game is totally different than everything else, you know, either do wonder whether you create more situations throughout the first three quarters 3 and 1/2 quarters of a game where you have two of those guys on the floor a lot of times and sometimes one and not as not as much all three. That's all I could see that happening a little bit more where you do kind of manage the situations there where you've got a couple of them or one of them on at all times with other people so, you know dead. There's always one of the knocks on Jalen before was not able to create his own offense. He was more of a you know, Stan the coroner knocked down the jumpers, but he wasn't able to do consistently on his own. Now. You really do have three guys who can generate offense at any point in time if you put the ball in their hands and that is a luxury, you know, you've lost Hayward and his ability to do that. But Jalen's Ascension right now. You just you put the ball in their hands and you feel pretty good as long as you got one or two of those guys on the floor at all times. So I'm glad we're cheering for a loss but for yeah, I'm glad we're Cherry for a while cuz good signs here, but there is still something glaring here. And I hear Brad Stevens talk about it throughout the week, right the last two weeks Raley's that Center position. Okay good very is Here we go have added everybody everyone have your shot. Why don't you why don't you why don't you start know cuz I don't want to turn it into an i-told-you-so thing. I'm just I've never took the Thompson guy did something wrong with it's not an i-told-you-so thing yet because it's the one I just bought you start. It's it's what we can do staying home. He's worse than what we thought and I think it's fair to question whether or not he might be hurt because he's so bad that you wonder something wrong here. He's so what we thought he's worse than what we thought. Is he worth Myles Turner Bobby. No, we're not going to go there yet. I think you need half a season at least to see what's something wrong early on do they have to shut them down for a little bit here. There's something else come up that that's just kind of set them aside for a little bit because it is bad right now in a way that you mentioned earlier in the show and we've talked about for a couple of shows in a row. Now, you can't get himself involved offensively. He actually took three shots wage. First 3 minutes and hit two and then disappeared for the rest of the night, but I don't I'd be fine with zero points if you're 22 and 9 tonight with another three blocks, but that's okay, but the hand injury mm. So something's got to be wrong because we know he's not this bad. We we know we watched him in Cleveland a year ago. You had the best season of his career. I'm gonna so Stevens mentioned it off today. He says he thinks he came back too fast with no training camp and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there. I'm just going to say what I said before the season started. I do believe most people because Cleveland has been so long elevant for a couple of years. I do think most people who were on board with the Thompson signing remembered a version of Thompson that existed four and five years ago. And now he was granted. He had statistically a better overall offensive year last year or all around year statistically last year. But again, it was on a bad Cleveland team. So we're not watching them enough to see what the opportunity was and what the name Eat on that team was to know why if that's why his points-per-game were up but I think in terms of his ability exact lettuce ism is a bit and he's not a super athlete but just how he moves and the way he plays I think we're remembering a version of him that existed three and four years ago and not not most recently and what I want to say to that is like Tristan Thompson, like like his style of play the ignition like the way he plays like that should be able to translate somewhat easily from Team to team because he's not a guy that you you know play around he's on a guy you draw plays part, you know, he's he's a guy that does his thing pretty much regardless of who's around him right for the most part. I mean he's going to he's going to cut to the basket on Drive. She's going to go for the boards. He's going to put put back point. So like John's kind of right-of-center where it's like maybe some of us do remember the Tristan Thompson that have LeBron James around him and you know, he was a little bit had less mileage on him. Like I said, opening is not old. But yet, you know, you know some maybe younger legs and now it's like well, what do we actually get here? Because he does look like he's having trouble getting off the ground right some of the again. I'll go back to like the shots. He took in the beginning of the game tonight. I think two or three went in but they all were like kind of funky and like it was almost like what what like, you know, what's up with us? And I don't know. I don't know if it's a confidence thing. I don't know if it's if it's if it's a health thing. I don't know. I'm not giving up on him. Obviously. I was I did like the signing. I know that I was I was in Lyon. People were starting to draw a line like Myles Turner or Tristan Thompson. I was obviously on the Miles Turner side, but if you compartmentalize I still think Thompson was a good signing, but he certainly hasn't wage. You guys could end up being right for sure and and I take note I take no pride in it. That's trying to be right but it's but it's early as well and what I'll say. Yo you guys know I thought I thought I say Giovanni. Okay control per second, but you look pretty good. Now. I don't know. Give up on him because I think this possibly something lingering here. He's might be paying through something. It's just how do you get to the point where he is playing great because it's like there's going to be an All-Star break them going to be playing games during that they just play and travel and play and travel and if he sits all of a sudden you get a rent them back up at another point so i c y Stephens is still pressing them 30 minutes and trying to get going and keeping them in the starting lineup because let's let's be real about Philly series here the way Phillies playing the way they've improved note ice isn't going to stop and bead Rob might one day. I probably not this year be able to slow him the best bet they have against the guy like MB bam those type of guys who hurt Boston a year ago is a Tristan getting him fully integrated and off. And play well, so I think there's a fine balance right now because I do hate how he's hurting Tice because we we did our rankings after last game. Theis is clearly the best center on the roster right now I'm saying well, he's adapting. I thought he was awesome again tonight. I want to get the started from last year back again together when Tatum comes back and I don't know where that leaves Thompson we had that discussion long game. Where do you get a minute? You want Rob to still have minutes. So, you know what, I gotta say. They gotta make a deal at some point here. They just have to TP all this stuff. We've talked about the rosters and Flash and I think you here Steve. It's calling for it a little bit like why you running two big lineups. We gotta get robbed a little run by himself, you know, we can't get we can't not have Rob yet opportunity and this again you see it tonight. They're going to big fight again and every single line up they send out there. That's an awkward V man in it. We talked about grant grant shouldn't be playing the four. So they're trying to find minutes for four centers here. They don't ever Wing Spot. This goes back to a job. Said maybe they should have signed a wing but there's still a chance here for Danny Ainge and this is going to be the final way. We write the story. How does change address this? How does Trisha and get himself in a crash by the end of the year? These are the key questions because there's no way they go this whole year without making a trade is there like I just I can't see it. I don't know. If they do, it's it's not going to be great. What's up? I can't hear John. Can you? I got you on what the hell he like went below and like he screwed up the audio. He's doing something over there. He's messing with you. Yeah, I'm here. I know I just moved you. I'm sorry. I think I messed with it. Yeah to make yourself a drink know that wasn't it. I I did that. I did that thing on a Mac when you accidentally screen in large. Yep, and I just couldn't shrink it down. So I jumped to a different window and I nuked Jimmy by accident. You weren't on Pritchard. You keeping track of the log. They're all I see is still what they said before birth. Nice brain MRI coming. All right, let's say maybe the avoided time I certainly didn't look good. Probably got ahead on that a little bit before the show ends. Yeah. I've been fading in significance a little bit over the last few weeks. I guess it's good. They've ramped up to Eagle get to get there, but I have no confidence in t able to contribute anything. I don't know. I mean you hate to see it. I was trying to see if there were any Twitter docs out there who had said anything based on the mechanism. I haven't seen anything yet. Um actually I might I might text one while we're on the air here. I just well I was about to say something but what what am I doing to add to this? I don't know. Yeah. Jimmy's waving us on Jimmy been what the hell been like this. You know what you look if I can always tell when you're looking at like you're scrolling through the like Twitter or something. I can always tell I was looking for something. I'm texting someone. Yeah. Well gotta figure out what's wrong with Pritchard. What do you think about diagnosis actually am a doctor and I do believe it was a nice spring and based on based on the information that I saw on the TV screen and the way he was walking off. The topic he said that it didn't seem like he was in torn ACL type pain. It felt like he was in he was in knee sprain type pain and the level of Faith Jaylen Brown hit the side of his knee trying to confirm that to me after a couple of replays in the old DVR. So I'm going with new screen. I was happy to hear that while it happened here that but they sleep that steering, but that doesn't mean anything. it wasn't I believe they didn't have to say anything. They didn't have to say no I'm saying you don't need sprained doesn't mean anything until it's an MRI. That just means I get it. I mean it was you still going to miss some time and like I can barely put any weight on his me, you know, we're not going to see him for a bit but it's a hell of a lot better than you know, what it could have been only want to say it. Yeah, it's still might be that's the point is we don't know if this is an ACL situation and if that happens that would be such a bummer just based off of the awful be awful fluke. That was the one thing you were getting something out of that. You were wondering, you know. You know, you weren't getting you're not getting contributions out of the year two guys with Grant being Dreadful and Romeo obviously still being hurt and you know Carson being Carson month and then being nice and then Nesmith is nice. You know, what I will say on nesmith's behalf. Thank goodness. He had an injury tonight. So he didn't have to have another dnp-cd neck if she's because that's that's that's more embarrassing but you know, he was out with what I don't know what it was a hip or something back spasms hurt feelings back spasms back spasms. I'm not going to play it back spasms of a future. That's like that's like undiagnosable Pritchard returned in the bench. I doubt that would have happened and he was wearing like a trash bag. Who's I don't know what he was wearing. It is camel like dude. He's minute. He's in his like going from the from the arena to the plane a tire. He probably didn't think that he was going to be dead. In Quartzsite tonight wearing it, but I choose to be positive about this until I have to be negative. I'm not going to jump to any sort of crazy conclusions. I just won't do it. There's already enough money. Where are you in my life? I'm not going to worry about paying Pritchard until I absolutely have to so that being said it it still does suck cuz I do feel like we're going to see him for a little bit but maybe paged a bullet. I mean fluke fluke injuries are going to happen. And he brings me to my next question is Jeff Teague ready to take over that role Bobby. Your thoughts is Jeff Teague ready to get relaxed. No, seriously. I mean the only guy I hope I hope he is but the only guide so say they do make a move on a bio guy off later in the year. Who would you go green has the non-guaranteed money, which I think actually might have passed at this point or very soon and you keep green anyway, cuz he's playing well, so if you had a dump anybody on the exhaust a He's probably the one that go like I just there's no upside hear what you get is what you get. You don't get any upside off. Here's the thing. And this is why there will never be a true poet. Like I never be a Teague apology cam his value know his value existed on a team. Where was in the game when it was no but his value existed on a team that I am limited veteran presence without Kemba Walker to start the season deep concerns about who might be coming off the bench and playing point guard and Peyton Pritchard is the only other viable option wage, but you didn't expect was Pritchard to be as good as he was and then Kemba to come back and look really good right out of the gate each of those two things who creates a situation where you really don't need Teague minutes ever at this point. So it's almost hard to get mad at him because he's entirely Superfluous to me if he comes in and he scores a couple of buckets anything you get off of him is gravy cuz you're not counting on him. The reason he had value at the beginning was wage. You thought you might have to count on somebody and you felt better about it being somebody who has some level of experience and I would have felt roughly the same about Wanamaker to at least he's a basketball player who you can pull out there. I mean want to make her had more minutes and he needed or he could should have had last year, but he saved their bacon A lot of times there were other games really like there's too much want to make her in this game. But you thought you might need a Teague with the emergence of pressure in the return of Campbell you realize that you don't really need Teague, but now you need to but now you might need teeth. So again, we'll see you know, what these what year this is where m o You apology came on. I will if I have to do apology came on to you guys will because I was pumping them up early on actually we did make Bobby. We already made pop Bobby apologized on T. So that's kind of hilarious thing off. That wasn't fair. I thought I apologize for something else. I did I thought so. Okay. Maybe I don't think it was I would have said no te T pretty sure we made you apologized or at least we we bullied you into saying something but anyways, if he cannot, you know fill the void left by Pritchard, however long purchase out all apologize because I didn't think that she was a good signing a low-cost a guy that's killed over the years. He's been you know, he's a proven player in the NBA like John just mentioned you brought him in because he could sort of like hold down the fort sort of speak when needed but he can't do that then I think what I didn't do you gotta help me guys don't remember what I apologize for. It wasn't that but I did acknowledge. It was more or less. Just ragging on, you know, but yep. Official apology can talk about yeah, I can't think of it off the top. But what I did admit with Teague is that he drew defense and dribbled in a way that helped other players found out which is probably the most I can say about him. He hits free throws to he's an awesome free throw shooter and he's gotten there in a couple of different games. I like the way he defends a little bit. So there's certain attributes. He bought that land toward him being like you said, I've more explosive alternative to Wannamaker who draws a different kind of Defense. I just looked at Wanamaker like you invested years and he was defending excellent within the system. I like I often we're going to sit here and talk about one of these by don't like, why would you want to make sure it's hard to get mad about a guy who is somebody who's supposed to be playing eight to ten minutes a game and maybe giving you a spark Off the Bench. It's just he's just not a source of again. This is why I don't mean to bring it back to my palm. Of contention with the team but you're you're starting Grant Williams, you know right now and I know you won't win Tatum comes back. You're still searching for that rotational wing. And right now Javonte green looks like the best suited get maybe send me a times and you're an absolute mess with your starting center. Right. Now. These are real issues. The Teague issue to me is such a minor thing. Yeah, I could become more significant now though. He was brutal through stretches of this game. He had to pay a little more after Pritchard went out and he dribbled the ball off his foot and Mr. Robin Allah band again. Like I just don't see what he brings besides an explosive scoring game every ten games. If so what I was thinking of this second guess tonight cuz I've watched a few Clippers. Oh, oh, here we go, Bobby you apologize for the Raptors. That's it. And that was deserved but tonight show me something they went out and wreck the Heat and to any better. They might have giving you that for making you apologized. There's a double apology. I apologize. GM is going to be forcing that apology came on you a couple. We have a couple other exciting cams that I can't wait to bring onto the show. I know I know they're not ready. I'm not saying we need to use today. But first one of the teams, it's called the t's BBQ don't give it away. If no, no I was saying apology cam if we ever have to get the tricks and it's going to be a sad sad day, but I'm Holding Out for a little while. That'll be that'll actually I want the mouse turner apology cameras. The one that I really want. I don't really want I don't I don't want Tristan Thompson to be bad. I don't see it depends on the TP still and you know, we ran out of that conversation. I'll see you Thursday. I'm almost tired of being right. I was thinking though. I'm exhausted by it. I was thinking of not for everybody. I was thinking of the TP after you guys brought up some girl named after the last show and then I throw in some Clippers games and I'm watching Nic Batum. We all we all kind of threw that one away like, oh, he's too expensive. I would they do that. He's broken. And again, I don't think anyone's going to be like what we'd all have to do an apology came on that one cuz I don't think anyone was wanting to bring on between for twenty-something million or whatever it was but he is selling an excellent passing role secondary shooting roll off the ball Fairway. He's rejuvenated looks like he's in great shape. He's fine for another contract and he would be fitting right in on that wing spot where they needed someone and that would have been the perfect trade-off for Hayward wage. They would have sent it back like nothing. So the question will be by the end of the year does tpe become better than what Nick platoons doing. So the Clippers right now cuz that would have thrown in those tax again. We do care about the tax. It's great to not repeat and drive up the costs and all that stuff. But if you had a player who would have been better than anything else that could acquire with that by the end of the year and they still might have to pay tax so that TP. That could be a second guess by the end of the year. I'm starting to think about that one a little more lately. I don't think anybody thought but to him was a good idea. But so I don't think that's something anyone's got to you know corporate office for a million bucks everyone talking about getting him getting him and then launching him into space, you know, like you weren't planning on like, you know, I married his stats this year ten points a game five rebounds three S A. He's been good with 44% from 3 till the fat Shakalaka going to keep peace out there. It's possible. I mean, it's it's that it's kind of feels that that role that we were talking about that that you could get Harper cuz it's too expensive. But how would you would you not gladly put Horford on this team right now, six centers and how would they work that out? You'd get rid of the rest of them. I'm sending the tpe for Horford would you do it? That beep X going the way but it's a big contract to contract. I don't think I think you might be getting pics in that deal. I'm sure it doesn't work straight up on the trade machine, but it's closed. I wouldn't do it. I don't think so that ship has sailed Howard. What if you were also a way to get rid of Grant in the process wouldn't that sweeten the deal? No, I don't think I would do it doesn't want to get rid of anybody on green man. Who took the two members are just devastating to read but again, no one wanted to no one wanted to go in that right? Why are we not talking about toggle? I don't know because Taco has freaking sniffed the court how we're supposed to talk about life. So fans are freaking out tonight. I'm watching on Twitter and watching the comments here. No Tatum chemist limited still Rob's limited and Abby just came out with two of his best games of the season and these games are going to mean that much they might be tiebreaker games, I guess and this is kind of the argument against the series that Tatum's down for two games and all of a sudden Philly essentially gets the tiebreaker of him being For this one week. So that's why they didn't do as many Series this year. But aside from that who cares like it's game fourteen, you know, you want them to win these games, but we saw some good things off all of a sudden Taco needs to come in. Bobby read this comment and hang your head in shame. Yes, I did when I said no to her cuz I knew what was going on here again, though. This is not a great in the past, you know. We're living in the present Bob. You would do that to me Tristan and whatever for Warford and no I wouldn't because I don't think that was the purpose of the TV. It just go grab a guy that you could end up being the best guy though, John keep pressing this like what is the best thing that they could hope for their age? I don't know. I don't know. That's the thing is it's we're bad patient. We're back to something over nothing and whether there's something is better despite its warts, you know, because the tpe is nothing wrong don't use it for whatever and whatever you're going to use it on. Okay, we'll just focus why what sales worth defense when you're talking? Yeah. He's been a good rebounding. Oh, well, he's playing well down there. Just do you want him through 2020 subsidy can stretch it. You know, I know it's that much money for some defense. You can't find somebody else. I can play some defense wage. It's not that much money. Like here's the thing. He's got some incentives look at it. Like what I go sign him with this pile of cash if I had it for that money know but what I get rid of faith in Thompson's corpse and a piece of paper that says 20 million on it for an upgrade on my roster dancers. Maybe that's all I'm saying. I think you made me think about it. It's obviously too soon, but you're right. I mean if it comes down to it then I mean I'll say on the money to the some Championship incentives and there they really softened up the back end of the contract when they signed him in Philly. Yeah. It's not as much as it looks off, but it is a few years and they hurts flexibility and I just the way they run the books and Boston. I don't see it because You do have to balance it though. Like you know, what? I don't want to see is them to kick the TP the off-season because they need something. Now the point of the TP was you're missing a player and you need to fill a five. John Collins was gettable, but you knew you had to Max him right when you got him when you do it, cuz that's kind of what it comes down to with Collins, right? The issue with him is Atlantis Atlantis thinking about doing them because they have to Max him and they don't want to and it seems nobody wants to that were talking for Max's on the team and Think about it. I mean the talents there the defense is and they'd have to work around that but I don't think that's enough to get them Thompson antique. They're probably I don't know. No, I mean you're talking a lot of pics off talking. You know, I'm not saying Thompson see Richard. Pritchard Romeo smart draft picks, whatever. I'm not saying that I'm saying you'd have what whatever it's just none of these are actual assets. I don't know that he's gettable. Honestly, I will say this we said here saying all the Celtics have nothing, you know some teams I tell you don't ends of other teams people like T ties protrudes become one sandwich still not one. But again, he's on nothing now at this point, they're not asked that's everybody's got one of those guys you don't trade for then that's what we keep talking about. Just cuz they're okay. It doesn't you don't give anything of value for them cuz you've got a million guys on your roster or you can find for nothing who can do the same thing. So they're not actual assets, you know, there's not a lot of that there are not a lot of assets unless it's a, you know a bunch of pics or I don't know at this point or if again if Pritchard, I don't know if Pritchard would have been considered an asset if he kept playing this song. Play you know Nesmith right now. It's hard to consider him an asset because he's done nothing, you know them to none of the young players have flashed to the point that they are assets. There's not a single team that's looking and said like maybe I could get my hands on that Nesmith guy it cuz there's there's no reasonable. There's no reason to believe it. You couldn't get your hands on him. He's too far away from the courts ever get your hands on them choice is unreachable. I thank you for sending well, it's pressured if it's anybody clearly because he's flashing something right now. He's cheap. He's on the rookie deal. Theis is probably a close second cuz he's a cheap you could re-sign him at a decent price probably and he's a great center for the month and be a although I'd hesitate to get rid of them. Now the way he's playing again. He looked more Expendable a couple of weeks ago. So I'm just saying that they're inching closer to having players. They're they're further along in terms of having assets. Even if it's just a centimeter from where they started the year off. Up guys and developed a little bit didn't expect Pritchard to be one clearly coming into this year. So even if it's just him, you know, you're getting closer in that direction. So the next couple of weeks are going to be dead for this team. I believe it's Cleveland on Sunday a couple of road games. I think it's the Spurs and the Bulls and then it's a West Coast Swing right after that after the Lakers right before the end of the month. So the schedule get stuff here fritters out a couple of weeks. I've Tatum's any delayed still and coming back. I know they've had a he's robbed into it. We don't know if Tatum was sick or if he had adverse effect wage like Rob at a tough time with this and Tatum couldn't make the trip. So that might be a signal at something here, even though he's practicing. Yeah. It's going to be tough with this team and they adapt and this is like I hope they address the shortcoming on the roster because it's so evident that 4 spot. Do you fit in a third wing? Do you find a second big man? Someone asks, you know, do you see something with Grandma at the for right now and Steven just kind of raft you laughed. He was like, I'll tell you Tatum starting there when he gets back you really yeah, so they're just sticking Grant in there to get his alleged minutes and he walks better next to Thompson and I stood in that spot but they still had to run double baked throughout this game. And yeah immediately as soon as he came out of four minutes in and they went double big cuz they were getting killed. I tell you what what is Philly do with Grant? No joke first three possessions. They just went right at him he is he is regressed in some type of way. And it's the position I think but he played some for last year then he'll look better than this. I mean, what is he is he you think Grant is better able to play the kind of small ball for over semi? No, I think he's a v like that Clippers game in February last year. Very close the game. I think that's where he thrives. There's less of a need to do that now though cuz last year they just had Tice and Rob who wasn't ready grin was pretty much the third Center home. Yeah. He's never going to get sent her minutes now. Tough tough pick and I don't want to kill him because there's some value to his chemistry Michael the room in that stuff. I get we forget guy that's just mattered after 2019. I know we were Bobby you and I were both at that press conference. We got sucked in what I mean whether we got sucked in or not. It was it was a matter of fact is evident that they were so set on fixing the culture after the bad taste of Kyrie and Marcus and whatever I'm not calling Marcos a bad citizen boss ever. They had the year before ninety percent of it was on Kyrie. It was so obvious. They wanted people in here who were good guys. So that mattered if it mattered to the point that you opted for a guy because you value Life Is Good Guy Ness over talent. I think that's a mistake. I think most rookies coming in are going unless they're real donkeys are going to generally be positive because they're coming in and they're new and they're true. Grow, you're going to have some attitudes but rather than worry about drafting just for character just cross off guys who have questionable character, but then go get the most talented guy. I can't understand how they took Grant and thought that's the guy I mean from the I just can't understand it. Okay, the only thing I can think of them and every moment since I haven't understood it off John too much March Madness that year remember it was it was the Carson Edwards show Grant's volunteers made a big run. And who was the other big March man? Oh, come on Waters Edge was great at LSU that year another tournament. Maybe they need maybe I mean if that would be relation of Duty if you're if the entire all of your scouting a month to watch it as much college basketball as I do a year. Yeah. It just went down you just turn on the T and March for a few hours, then that's you might need a different different scouting his birth. Was better than mine. So let me look at the team see if they can pick up players like that. I remember that was the year of Carson Edwards. He was like the start of the tournament. Do you do that? I'll never forget that that game at Purdue game. Anyway went into multiple overtimes. I think and carsen Edwards said like 40 I'm making up numbers, but it was like he was hitting every shot. They still lost the game. And I think I lost it or maybe maybe they won the game and I just lost a ton of money and it was because of course the network it was right and they tried to and they gave him a good run and I don't remember the exact cuz nothing I remember when I will never forget his hours at Loco in South Boston. It was very late with a long day. And I just I was tapped out and I ended with me losing a lot of it was one of those nights. I think I got I think I was politely asked to leave the bar at some point that night. But that was we're going to talk about that draft for a long time. It was a tough one for where the team was it was. Hey Roots last year and you know Grant was the best of all those pics he had a decent year last year. And if that's the only good year they get out of him, you know for where they pick them twenties. We always talk about whatever you get there. You get the tough one Romeo said and we haven't mentioned him yet tonight. Is there a chance that he can come back? I think he's on the road trip. He's shooting with the team know. Hope may I have I have an irrational level of like optimism / desperation for Romeo to turn into something. I you know, I I desperately I want the narrative to be that he was injured in college never got his foot footing underneath and last year could never get enough momentum to get it going this. Hope birth. And and just and that's the reason it was so bad. But like the one thing about him last year that we saw during that little stretch in the bubble where he did contribute sometimes and we're starting to wonder can he do it was foul good he was defensively and that alone would make a huge difference if he can get his H out of his a offensively a little bit and figure out what he's supposed to be doing out there trying to defend, you know, it's like that's always a zero. So if you remember it a minutes here is be able to handle your your end on defense he can do that with but that's not what you drafted them before you drafted him to be able to be asked or if he can score even a little massive massive upgrade at the wing position right now for what they need from athleticism from defense from me get you need him to be. Okay? Yeah, my mom only because there is no other option on the roster not necessarily because I have faith in in in in dead. In in the player themselves, but you that's that's their best. Hope that a guy you're not counting on anything from comes up and all of a sudden is a revelation or a surprise and you're like, okay, that's what we need a little bit of that would would go a long way. He doesn't have to be a star. He just has to be playable. Basically he believed just do you believe it? Threw me in Romeo believe that it's possible that you might get something out of him. Yes. Yes. I I Yes, or no to be honest. I don't really have I don't know. I don't love him. Hi. I'm honestly I'm I'm I'm hanging onto a few like not many not many but a couple instances where he had a couple of good like anyone say games but like most Lakers ran away was the one okay, like I belong I couldn't go back and say that was the one but I I can remember stretch was like, all right. This guy looks like he belongs on the court right now. It's just been held with him. He started out but he started out behind because he was hurt when this whole in his career started and he's never seemed like to really be able to put together like consistent playing time again to the rotation and stay there. It's always been a story whenever he's done anything. And so to me that tells me that he hasn't really proven that he's somebody that you can count it because if it's always a story whenever you do something else then that it's a it's good I guess in one sense that you're that you're talking about, but it's bad that it's like we're not expecting this yet. You know what I mean? So talk to me when it's not a story when he goes out there in, New Jersey. Does his thing and then I'll tell you that I can depend on I'm not there yet because I haven't seen enough. I'm not giving up on I'm not I'm not giving up on him just like I'm not giving up on me Smith. Obviously, I mean guy hasn't even had a chance. So we'll see. I mean, I don't know where he is health-wise. I mean all the only update they get are the tweet that says out. I don't have no idea where he is healthy. So he's moving along a little bit but we still don't have a good idea because they haven't announced rejoining practice or doing whatever he's doing some light shooting and he's you mean yeah. So I think February mid-February that was the rough Target. I'd love I'd love to get an actual update though. You know, I think they asked Brad in the last week and didn't have anything either shooting. So honestly, my expectations are Like role player at best at least for this year. I mean, I'm not expecting him to like slide into the starting lineup and being that we are not asking for a lot. That's the point if he could give us a little bit it's more than what they have there. That's what I'm saying. Just a little bit. Right right. That's it. They have stars. They don't need Stars right? You need that. You may not Grant Williams, right? That's a little mean, but I mean it is I'm not giving up on Grant Williams either. I think we're Millions is a smart player. I think young guys. Yeah, they're all young guys. I I will say this though. It's not working right now and maybe maybe it's just the maybe Grant is not supposed to be with that starting unit unit. Obviously, right? He's not a starter on this team, but maybe bracket figure out a way that to make it worth certain players at certain points giving guys this, you know certain guys of rust. I don't know. I'm not the coach. I don't get paid for that. I'm not giving up a Grille use either but I will say I do get frustrated at times watching a basketball. I think John just sent that message which one is what he is. You just want to sleep and watch your neighbors talking without interrupting him know. I I mean, I think I think rain is what he is but I don't I also think he's Better than maybe what we've seen at points, so and I'm not freaking out about the bench. The bench has been better than it has between Pritchards emergence. We talked Sammy's and bereavement greens and great. So they're getting by and in fact many of these games shifting Brown Kemba and Tatum in with the bench has made the bench better than what the stories are given them off when you go from BB to one big so it's all about rotations finding the right sets combinations all that stuff and one Stadium gets back. The bench will be even less important. But you do want to find a 50000 in the lineup somewhere. The reason I bring up Romeo and it's so easy to forget him because he's just been so invisible through the all the injuries even forget. He's on the team this year. He's going to become available before trade does the tough thing about a trade this year is Ten teams are making the playoffs in each conference. Yep, they push back the deadline a little bit. I think it's late March dead. But that might not be enough to counteract that I agree. I do think people are unrealistically holding out. Hope that something some trade the Celtics can pull off going to save them and it's not it's not you're not need to be saved. Right? I do need to be they're going to make a trade they have to if they don't make a trade by the other somebody else you're going to kind of be like, I guess it's better than nothing. That's it. And that's what we said was going to happen. Yes whole time. You're a big move out there. That's going to get you a guy who's going to be. Whoa. Now. We've got Kemba Tatum Brown and this guy you're not going to be mentioning him in that in the breath with those guys. It's going to be something else. Right. It's going to be oh good. They've got some bench depth. Oh, yeah, he can help epitome when it's bothering me. Now. It's also I mean also like and you hope not but we just took a picture tonight. And this is why I said last show you don't make a trade now for a need when you have no idea what your team is going to look like and two months from now or right before the deadline for example, or whatever. You don't know who's coming and going with injuries and who which guy step up and which guys take a step back like a great honor roll here when Statham gets back. Yeah sure they could and you want to have a clear idea of what your team looks like at the latest point that you possibly can if your goal is to improve for the playoff run. I mean and that's the whole I imagine. That's the whole purpose right? So we're talking about a possible possible guys trades whatever it's not going to happen right now. No, I would expect anything before March 1st. When do you have Finance? I think the deadline is March 25th or so give or take I mean March 1st is way too early. Then the only way there's a splash is if somehow Kemba is involved and I don't see that is a possibility beyond that you're looking at some something useable. That's what I like about it, but I'm not trading Kemba. I think yourself. I'm not saying you are not the only way to do something splashy is that I don't think it's I don't think they'll it is. I mean, we're well past the point of someone calling and saying Jalen or Jason. It's an automatic hang up right now. They might be in terms of NBA assets. They might be two of the top five assets and the league because based on their years and the fact based on their page anymore. I'm not assets I'm saying if you assets non-tradable untradeable, like they're the most valuable pieces because of their age and their ability and their FAQ. They're under contract. They are Untouchable to a point that there's almost nobody you would even listen to the other name you'd have there's maybe two names on the planet that you might even not giving up immediately and never take the guys call again and have gone the drop to the next level of who you're trading is is only name is possible as Kemba and then after that it becomes smart and whatever and that's it. So there's not the chance of something splashy is is almost zero and that's another reason why see any age and Mike zarren, they're not looking at this team as a win-now t they know what they have. They know these two guys are Cornerstone pieces and they have them under contract for you. No foreseeable future here. They're only going to get better off at some point. You have to imagine guys older veterans or whatever are going to want to are going to want to you know, again come to the Celtics whether it's buyouts or you know, take some sort of discount to win and Ed. And like they need isn't going to do anything to screw the financial situation of the team and in the long run or you know, make them, you know shoot for a championship. Now when when there's such a big window, that's an interesting one there. I've talked a little bit about injured guys and how they have nyesek. They potentially valuable because there's nothing now but nothing know something later. I'm actually I would favor that for for something down the road as opposed to something less for now. Yeah, that's how I would and I've thought about that one too. Yeah, we've talked a lot about Gordon there. But Isaac is someone a lot of Celtics fans had their eyes on for a while for obvious reasons. He's he's right up their alley for the system. He had a tough injury. I think it was an ACL so he'll be a year out or so and that was on top of another injury had before that so he's had issues with that. Yeah, but you know look across the league right now does log Possibilities but not a lot of teams are even approaching a position where they're going to start dumping guys are selling for the future. You think Houston Orlando's and a tough spot right now, but there aren't that many months, but we're talking trades. I do have to throw in the plug Keith Smith was on Celtics beat a lot about all these things. We we throw around with Danny and how they take calls and he's he's not aggressive enough or does he drive too hard of a bargain that was a pretty good episode they had on there today to check out another thing. I'll say and again just pump in one of our podcasts here. The Gary Washburn was Amish Arad the other day and we were talking about that window were like this this notion of not needing to win Now versus later that there's a yes and a no behind that song. You can't click the can you can't Kick the Can we don't need a win know you can't take the kitten too far down the road with stars like jumping up your fans. Do do that with Jaylin an Choi. Isn't just because they're young because eventually they're going to be like dudes you're starting to waste my pride and it's going to end and you never know when it's going to end. So, you know what you have. You can't go too far with it anywhere conversation. I'm just saying he's not going to mortgage the Let's work like what the Nets kind of I'm going to say the Nets panic but like obviously they traded some players or at least a guy like Levert. For somebody like hard in which is definitely more of a win-now friends, you know, a two-year deal whatever he's got so feel like a move they did. I don't see the Celtics doing something like that which is why they didn't write. I mean there were people who were saying believe it or not. They wanted to they wanted to trade for Harden and I just don't think all the obviously I know now, but I didn't think at the time that that was something to sell it would be interested in because they feel like they have really good long-term future here. I'm not saying that they don't want to win now. I'm just saying they're not do anything crazy like a crazy Splash like we were talking about John like you're not going to get a crazy trade at least this season. Who knows what's going to happen in the offseason things change, but right now I don't see that. Yeah at some point they'll have to use the TP that that I remember the Warriors got one phone. No dial. I believe I was a big deal and Golden State and they just let it expire and again, they stunk they didn't need to use it the following year because they were in the worst teams in the league. 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And my favorite rookie Isaac okoro who if and I wanted the Celtics to move up for anybody. It would have been that guy. He just having a good start for them as well. So that team to be tough on Sunday. They're going to be incredibly tough. I also heard that game moved from 4 to 7 because the Patriots are playing so it'll be a little later. Are not yeah and they were going to do a 4 for Champion. We've known the Patriots weren't going to be playing this weekend for quite some time this move the game. It was for young and we knew the Pats weren't playing as soon as Brady was like, yeah, we were like, all right. Well, the pads aren't playing you can put the game at any time. That being said, I will be watching wait. I'm I'm watching Brady on Sunday. So I don't know what time the Celtics game is, but it's if it's the same time as the Bucks game. I'll jump on the I'll jump on this call, but I'm not going to know shit about the game. I am off. I'll fill you in I think I'm going so I'll I'll fill in the details from the garden you're going. Okay possibly. So let's let's I did not know what time that game was. I didn't realize it got moved in Jeff. It is 7. Eight. No. No, I think it's seven 7:00. Okay, and and and and Brady's at 6:30. 8:30 know there are 305 Jimmy. You got a roll right into it. It's the Chiefs. The Chiefs is a late-game. What time is that? 6:30? 6:40. Yeah, we're good and we're good. All right. Oh so that maybe they moved it. So people can watch Brady. Yeah. All right. So we're going to wrap it up then but is Margarita Fridays. Let's make this a thing. All right, but make sure make sure people know that cuz I know in the schedule is a lot of places still says for I think it's a it's a 7:00 tip. They just look like it's all right. Let's wrap it up for margarita. Friday is Jimmy Jimmy. Jimmy has decreed. It's so loud in Margarita. Friday is Bobby still talking about the time of Sunday's game? I don't know why but you still anything else you about the time in the game people aren't idiots. They can figure out what time the game is pop know not everything changed. I'm just making sure. Can find the show that night and not they're not coming on at six-thirty. Wonder what's going on here. That's true will tweet it. If you don't follow us on Twitter, you should Jimmy underscore Toscano Bobby. I don't want to get yours wrong. What's yours off? Real Bob Manning not to be confused with the fake Bob Manning John. You're on Twitter. What's your Twitter? I forget he's on Twitter. I'll just retweet him if you guys want to know who swear I thought is is Tatum going to play Sunday. Do we even do we have an idea feels like it? I'm excited for Sunday. I don't really give a shit about the Cavs. I know Bobby just talked about it for forty-five minutes off. You'll be surprised. I do like Sexton. I like that it goes back to that highlight of him in college where he just stared down the kid at the free throw line. That's when I was like, I like this kid sex and people forget about that video off the same kit remember that. Yeah, and the Kyrie trade he was a net Peck that the static. I like sex. He's a little I'm not sure I'm not you kind of came out of nowhere. A lot of people were kind of down. After last season, but he had a rough few years. Yeah, maybe he's a turning it around which which is great Cleveland, you know, they deserve I guess some sort of something to to include. I don't know what else goes on there. It's really not the Browns any more sweeping and that number to defense Turn and Jaylen Brown just continues to impress me. I know the Celtics lost tonight and last Wednesday, Jane man was pretty I just was on Twitter. So after the game pickles for Jake is pretty hard himself tonight after the game saying needs to be more on defense. I'm not sure how true that is. I think he's doing like as much as he can. I mean he can only do so much but it's good to hear him. Say something like that. He does that's something that leader at something a leader does say he doesn't put blame on on any other players because Jalen Jalen Brown, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, so I'm I'm just I'm happy to see his growth this year on the court and you know, he's already grown off the court so I don't really know that's a good one Bobby for you. He said he wants to become a villainous defensively I think was the word to use and I think calling out that defense all year. I I thought this team had the potential to be the best defense in the league between Thompson and smart and all the Personnel they have and they'll be better when Tatum gets back and just goes into the trade conversation. We talked about forever. But I I want to see this team valid defense of way so they got killed by the Knicks on Sunday. I think Nick's our third and defensive rating or top ten something like that. Yeah the 3rd to start the year kabse to so if the shots aren't falling if they getting down on themselves of fouls become another issue that they're frustrated with don't get pulled out of a game again here dragged out late in the fourth quarter. We all know what happened against the Knicks there when the shots weren't falling. They just kept Jackin more getting more frustrated forgetting about the defensive end rebounds all that stuff. It's great that they're killing on offense and they are who of what branch in and all the rest smarts and good but this team's not going to have an upside if they don't get it together defensively. It's going to take time. We talked about the entire league struggling on the defensive side of the ball, but look at Philly wage. They haven't been great offensively tonight. They were much better than they were Wednesday, but they they play defense. They rebound white sails up those boards on the defensive end and that's why they've been better off. It takes the hint a ton of shots started this year. So that's why they're second in the East 3rd in the East now, but they got to defend some point my final thought we talked about this a bit at the beginning of the year how this is going to have to be a team that revolved around stars because they lost depth by losing Hayward. We didn't know if came back in the eye and what we were talking about was whether Tatum and brown can make a leap into a Next Level Brown made it already. We talked about the top 100 list, which is extremely arbitrary but the top 100 list prior to the year have brown listed in the 30s and 40s. He's already a top-15 player in the NBA right off today and he's kind and he's done it in 15 games Okay. That was too high. Yes, so we knew we actually thought he was shortchanged a little bit on those lists. But what I'm going to say now is, you know again, I thought maybe I overreacted the positive and the negative it is what it is, but I'm ready today to say that there's not and again, I know they're super teams out there and you have LeBron and Davis and you got the big three in Brooklyn right now, but in terms of having two players right now given everything in their age and their salaries and their situation. It's the best tandem in the league and and I and I can't I don't need that you can argue big best in the league best tandem in terms of future everything everything their age their contracts home and how long you're going to have them for I don't know that I would I wouldn't swap these two for any other two right now. I stay up a new John Smith. Catch those Lakers games. I stay up. I understand that but I'm not giving up. I'm not trading anything for friggin thirty-six-year-old LeBron. Like it's I'm sorry, you know, like would you trade right now Tatum and brown for Daisy LeBron? No. It's a tough call. I don't know what I'm saying that LeBron is the best players ever played. It's that question of one. What's the value of one championship in La already has one we don't know if Brandon Tatum are under age five stars are the most valuable Commodities in the league and you have two of them playing at very close to a top 10 NBA level. That is an unbeatable combination at this age and this stage in their careers and they keep showing you and actually I don't think Tatum's really shown state has been fairly flat this year. There is no I don't even know where Jalen's ceiling is a this point. So that's my vibe here is if it is a Superstars League, the question was always are these guys true Elevate like top level Superstars that you win just wage them the answer might be yes. And so then the rest of it doesn't matter nearly as much well, you can limit, you know, you can lament Grant Williams. It's not in other teams, but if you're get to the boss Where people are just going to like there might be a stage where Boston dominates a buyout Market because people are just like I want to go there and play with those Superstars right now. I shot, you know, like also thought possible in a year or two, you know, so may not be this year, but I don't even know at this point you're telling me two years from now. This isn't going to be the best overall tandem in basketball. It's hard to imagine that it isn't so if that's the case and they're sealing really is top 10 NBA players and you've got them locked under contract for the next five years you're doing pretty well, you know, and a lot of things can fall in behind that I I again, I'm not going to knock you for wanting that situation. I like watching those players. I like em all in those players and they're just a lot more likeable than Davis and LeBron from our perspectives, but it's that conversation. We just had now we're later. This Lakers are heavy heavy heavy favorite to win the title this year back to back championships. That's how to pass up right now point. It's I mean, what about okay. What about how long this is John? This is what John wanted to do. You want us to go through every team but what about Kauai and Paul George you would you it's not even close anymore. That one's know that time about all day long. It's a good point because I'm going through teams and I'm like, well, you've got Lillard in the, I am I'm going I think you're right for everyone except it's tough to say look at LA's Duo that just roll through the playoffs. I mean, it's to look at Kyros Durant honestly, that's the hardest one cuz they also have you have Kyrie who's you have Kyrie? Who's not not he's twenty-seven twenty-eight and Durant again. He's thirty-two that one's a much harder one to suck especially if you want to factor Harden in picking any two of those. That's actually the toughest one. Yeah, if in terms of trade though, I'd say no in that spot. I have one that you forgot siakam and just take your pick up a pointer and they'll get back there tough. They're already rallying John. It's a good point. I think I I understand where he's coming from, but I also understand where I was going. You you want to win, you know, you don't want to sacrifice potential wins four winds that you think you can definitely Lakers are really good to start this year. It is unbelievable how good they look and they're starting they've destroyed the Buc Bowl the Bucks last night. There's seven and oh on the road will grown and Davis it locked in it looked they're going to win the title. I mean or I mean they're going to go to the finals. I mean, they're they're Bobby. Look I said at the beginning of the year. I think they're way better than last year. And now nothing for the they were worse. Bobby said they were worse. This is before they played a game. I said this team's way better than last year to an apology came on that one. So you don't have to sell me on the Lakers and I'm not saying this in an i-told-you-so way either you have to sell me in Lakers their home LeBron's LeBron and Anthony Davis Anthony Davis. I'm simply saying at this point with their age going forward. I'd rather be in this position with these two guys than anybody else because you're not talking dog. This year. I don't know that this is a championship year, but you do need to start filling in some holes. I just think it becomes easier with these guys because they he'll eventually be the two people you point to and say that that's why I want to go to and play with those Stars, you know, and I we didn't know whether they were going to send to that level of stardom or not or whether they'd be kind of in the 15 to 25 range, which there are other guys like that, you know, like Murray and you know, jammal Murray, I mean you can make a case for Marie and joke that you can make a case for Booker. I mean now they got Chris Paul, there's other players. There's a lot of really good players out there but these guys might these guys might be there all around game at the positions that they play Wing which is the most valuable position to have two of them at this level. I don't know that you can beat that. Yeah, don't take it for granted. We're watching right now between those two is really special and you hope it's going to last ten to fifteen years from now, but you know, you gotta just enjoy it today while we had Every single day I know Kevin that's why I don't know too too long on feeling things out around them because you want them to be happy you want them to be here. You want to you want to always be thinking about winning? So I'll say this they played La tough last year. They destroyed them in the garden. They played them so tough on the road during that Kobe week that's you know, coming up a year ago. Next week is the Hobie week are coming to the Garden on the 30th. That is going to be a fun game to watch up. The Celtics are fully loaded. I can't wait for that one. Yeah. Yeah. All right guys, we said we're going to wrap it. So we will we're back on Sunday after Tom Brady maroon for Brady Jimmy, of course you are. Do it all die for Brady right now. Just tell me how and where and went. So yeah Brady on The Brady Trane since day one. I don't get me started. I'm not going to go into it, but I'm ready for Brady now. So you should relax Bobby remember and I always like the Buccaneers that was always my NFC team. So it was a match made in heaven when those two came together don't I just like the jerseys growing up? I like the creamsicles grown now, but I'm developing your now rooting for Brady what what changed it's like, what are they doing? You can't wage might decide something and then you're as you're watching it your feelings just sort of change, but I think two things for me with Brady. I like Aaron. I don't like I hate Aaron Rodgers but to I can't deal with idiots having another who's the greatest debate if Rodgers happens to win. This game will make my head. It'll make my freaking head explode. This is an argument that's been over for five years. It's been over for ten years, but it's really been over the course about great Rogers for you. The I don't want to I want to listen to the who's the greatest quarterback. I don't it shouldn't come up every year Brady's forty-three years old and the debates been over for a freaking decade. Oh, yes. No, but I am going to be like, oh is Rod there's still a faction of people out there who think Rodgers is the greatest and I just I Wisconsin I can't listen to it anymore. So you need a witness to never have to listen to it. So so that that's fair to me. He's already proven that he's the goat, you know for different five different ten different times. He doesn't even need to win job. I need to win to prove that anymore, but I would just love another feather in the cap. I would just love and Brady go under story. He goes to the end of scene. He just and he just he just takes over the NFC just just like that after twenty years in the AFC like yeah, it's a completely it's unbelievable to even be an NFC Championship game is is a crazy accomplishment. These guys had no a tough conference. Yeah tough division. They had to go to Dorian Brady gets there as easily as like I get to the bathroom in the morning, you know, like it's supposed to, championship games you're showing the potential of the Jimmy John podcast right now. I can see it right in front of it is it's a great he's 43 Like think I'm thirty-four easy. 4343 right? I'm Thirty forty three. Well, I'm thirty-three and I know I look a lot younger than that. But if I was playing out, first of all, I was playing in the football all growing up high school college and then I was in the NFL for ten years at this stage in my life. I don't know how I could fathom playing another ten years and being at the top of my game like, oh, it's just crazy to me. Like it's it's unfair. It's something that's never been done before literally never been done before to be playing at this stage in at this level and people still want to hate on that's why I can't I can't believe people just refuse to acknowledge greatness and and refused to appreciate it and enjoy it and it goes with LeBron James people want to people who spend all their energy getting on the bron James. This is a once-in-a-generation maybe a once-in-a-lifetime type player and people want to spend all their energy hating on him instead of just enjoying what he does and what what he's capable of birth. So, Brady, you know what time to me that to me was Isaiah. We we thought Isaiah was just going to keep going and going and going and it was just such a flash in the pan and you look back and you like wow, I'm glad I enjoyed all those moments not quite the same exact thing, but that's that's what makes me feel. Good. You mean Ziggy outside a stepson that's his actual son. 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Jimmy even said he might take one off. That means Nick head out there right now. We're calling on your buddy unsigned free agents and TPS. I think I might miss Monday's game. I'm trying to say that no Niko Niko is is is is his nephew Nick. Nick is the nephew. Am I going to have to Google The Wire now? Cuz season season 2 of The Wire it's the one with the Greeks. So obviously I've seen it but I've seen I've seen actually seen the wire strung finished probably eleven times. But yeah season to the docks. I'm actually going to shave so if I look like somebody maybe I'll look a little different fonts. Yeah. I am not fully shave. I would love manscape to maybe swoop in and help out with that gave it up. Yeah. All right. Well in terms of a little bit, it's how can these guys miss us if we won't Say Goodbye song. Guys will see you guys later.

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QLS Classic: Chaka Khan

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QLS Classic: Chaka Khan

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Part of the boys and girls club of america to club members navigate. Adolescence learn more at kohls dot com of course love. Supreme is a production of iheartradio. This classic episode was produced by the team at pandora leases only slow and this is cute es- classic going way back to two thousand seventeen. I spoke to the legendary rock and roll hall of fame nominee shock. Akon go through our whole journey. It's amazing and guys enjoy soccer con- you classic from september twenty seven two thousand seventeen guy. Let's get to the stream. Raven roll call three sat suffering. No roll called so prepo so mark. I can't believe now sound like. What are you big role for. All y'all looking for a slow screw against the wall. My name is suga suga. Steve yeah sugar. Steve should receive so bill. What planet we on quest love supreme in shock role. Yeah and i wanna see you. Con- that's my favorite night into the old free incon- shock khan khan ear so free found so pretty much premium. Oh all right let us bow our heads in prayer f- lord jesus. Please let this be a good episode. Please let us not good too much in over praise and stutter and lose focus. I don't think you can over praise though seriously out there right now. This is the first time. I'm using the stop guard to block my word so that i don't see chaka. Khan stare me dead in the face. Ladies and gentlemen welcome to another episode of course love supreme This is a particular episode. I've been begging for all of my life even before i had had my own platform to ask all my favorites questions that i've been dying to know in our guest today. I will absolutely say that. Often the the word Genius gets misused especially in light of what is supposed to pass for genius nowadays in two thousand seventeen but i think that it's criminally. We then i'd say i wasn't going over good i feel. As though our guest today has been criminally left out of that term because rarely are women ever considered or or spoken of in the light that you know the dylan's of the world that the jaguars of the world even jackson's of the world's or the rogers nelson the world. Whatever but i for my person know that all opinions are subjective but our guest today is literally one of my favorite voices of all time. All please welcome. And i'm using docker news where the incomparable sucker question by the amount of the amount of stalking. I've me to make this moment. how are you. I'm so happy to finally like talk with you. We see each other in passing all the time up until now we hug and the love is there. But i'm so happy being this real crazy. Beautiful people off millions of times at the The former studios now. Jim henson studios. I can assume that you said you've to a few for two years. I brought a bit really. Yeah i was driving up here. Every night from the ocean from pacific palisades. And that's like kuku were period Were you recording studio about. Maybe four years ago three years yeah. Three years ago or two years and We did here when you were here now. Here for a couple of years wasn't he probably no. I can't work with him. He don't wanna work so i don't we. We are literally going because the thing is that you know. I've read interviews with you throughout the years but no periodical that i know of has even begun to even try to dissect your craft your life and you know all that stuff but The your intimate your your your process. Those are the things. I've been dying to know about your life. And i can't find that anywhere you know so we're going to start right now so you of course you were born. I know that you were born in chicago actually great lakes illinois on an air force base or my daddy was and this north of chicago so your parents were in the force. Yeah so what was. What was your childhood in sokoto like. Well we were what you would call middle class middle class family. Both parents i i lived In the universe chicago by the university and so called high park and both my parents worked for the university. doing My mom wanted national research center doing research mostly and so that was like an island in chicago Of knowledge and people coming from other countries to attend that Great to get the knowledge. I i met a lot of people from a lot of different countries and i think that really helped me to see people way. I am the way they are so has a child. You grew up on near a college campus. Yes and that was cool. Because chicago's pretty rough and it's always worth an rough to the level where they speak of it now. Probably two to different degrees and different degrees. You know rough in one thousand nine hundred forty seven you know is a different rough than we are now. You know at least up until maybe twenty years ago. Everybody you know wasn't packing right. Yeah fifth it's it's a really racist city ruin. Yeah it's it really really is and I step mother who's white and She and her mother to come is a black panther. The panther and i used to go to all my panther rallies they would come along. How old were you when you join. The panthers is about fourteen that young papers on the corner and barefoot jeans survey athlete. Yeah so i know that I never knew what sister tacos government name was yvonne. Okay so you. You were yvette stevens. You see your only sibling now. I have a brother name mark stevens. He wrote during the but why he's a bass player. he's a bad. He's in plain based on some love. Yes he's playing on a lot of my stuff. Oh are we supposed together again. Okay okay okay so as you three yes so how house music introducing you guys like. Well my daddy was what they call the beatnik okay. I can a day and it was a hippie. Well that was bleeding. It yeah hippie. Yeah an-and officer. Because usually like when i think of officers in the tightly wound like well he got. He got a dishonorable discharge rebel to assist. Yeah exactly orca so You know he's smuggled out of we and drink wine and and he'd take us everywhere with them and we used to go to the point. There's this place as point On the beach Lake michigan or late at night. Everybody's smoking weed and playing congas and All he played in the house every saturday. We'd be cleaning up the house. And all i heard was saxophone. Knew that i'm named after stan. Get song yvette ruin. Yes so my voice didn't or my application didn't come from other singers. It came from horns. Alto saxes rubik's plainly. Okay yeah that explains everything said. How'd you we're the same way. Like he does the same kind of something similar right. the thing. the thing was shock is art is that She's probably one of the few singers who even though it's under a pop music backdrop on your vocal delivery. It's that of a horn. It's it's linear and it's never like circuit like even think of any song you ever heard of. Were like people have to commit commit to memory the way her vocals. I'm some as long as i have a pattern to it like like. This is my night as a donor and then and then some songs like stay doesn't necessarily have a melody but you have have to make yourself commit. It's like studying a sackville ciller. Wherever she goes she's one of the rare artists in black music. Back really gets to enjoy the luxury of not of culling outside the boundaries and and people take to it. 'cause it's really hard to you know. The rules of pop music is as be simple in memorable zone. That's sort of what separates them from the pack. So i i had a conversation with them. When i first met andrea fischer he used to be like president label. Like way back when i was on day. Yeah he said he met you in a bowling alley or like were you in abandon or was yeah another band actually i was with rufus when they were all white i was there was there was a time when it was fashionable to have all white musicians and a black chick out front our connection or something like that and you know many was a great friend of mine in fact you know. I covered a song that she did that on. It made some news saying but What was the question was saying Well you were seeing what rufus back. When they were asking us were they were you. Immigrant was in the group and it was called ask rufus or they were the original been. Meet bend me shape me anyway. You won't long as you love me. That's what they were right. Okay i forget the name. American american breed. Yes and then they mow they morphed into rufus and al signer. Dennis bellefield was in the group for second minute. Willy willy. how do those well. Joe lose willy week greatest bass players willie areas. You got some other call to dining hathaway. Yes he did yes he did and rock that and know got the willie rock. You know how you know. He's one of my all time favorite bass players on the planet him and think who played on all of my stuff during the eighties allegory. Not i'm trying to will we. Not no no no. We'll give it to me baby. He's the best bass player on the planet. I used to really answer tax bill for months on all of the eighties. Okay i'm gonna skip one thing because in my mind when you were working on doing your water by the stuff. I thought that arafat used the heart of a wbz like famous stewart. But alan gory not playing bass for stuff i know he played on one or two songs. Yeah wow so that whole time thinking. Awb was your. I mean. I was eight years old. It was mainly just hamish. Okay playing guitar and singing background. But i think. I was proud of the first chick or musician to sing her own background. You know what. Because i was we were. We were doing our first album and In needed background. So i said well let me let me pick some background girls so i went through like twelve people twelve girls and they couldn't do what i wanted them to do. So i said look since you got three tracks say okay so i'm gonna sing the backgrounds myself and i had to tell the guy engineer. How are we going to do it and we do it and we got it fast you the community of of sakado full of a lot of musicians. I mean yeah hers filled. I know leroy hudson and all the greats like were you were any of those people your contemporaries like you'd see them bar bands and even chicago guys like terra or is it sticks from chicago style now. I know that now's now from sticks. This is from Let's not go down the sticks rabbit home owner dentist young's from there but i'm saying that in during that period. How are you running into these jazz like chicago. Art town sambol. Did you ever work with joe stephanie. Or out but i just. I met him. I didn't get to meet him. And i was like didn't know who i was meeting saying. And then after i met him i start He found out that he did that. Whole album a love and my god. Yeah my god that is out. In fact there's another phone call concrete canyon That i wanna cover reu who that girl he had. Many riverton was singing. Now mind you. But there's another gospel woman sang lead. Many riverton was doing mostly background but this woman at paint. I probably never knew it. But i'm telling you she saying love fallen on me. And i. I used almost all her licks a perfect. So that's who you listen to. I listen to miles. davis miles. Davis was my friend. You my pal right. What's your favorite period of is like what. What did you gravitate. i'm just also to read. I wrote words written words to most of the songs onto to my favorite song on the album is a thomas really. Oh my god see. Now you're gonna make me reconsider to got to. That was my second sound on the world but it might listen to it. Listen and listen and then they got what's his name the bass player. You're my produce album and he's playing. His clarinet to that is like that whole album is like a work of art. And you know you're literally going to meet me reconsider to not that i've underestimated what intellectual. Look listen just live in terms of like well. Marcus miller plan base and komo at. What's his name on trumpet. Still be shocking. I need you know what. Now that i can easily hear you i can do. I can hear you onto. That could have been. That could have been some of that back man. What's the please that stuff already to a lot of the song remains you're like a jefferson does adding adding words to Existing jazz zones. Jephson have you ever heard of Eddie's version of a bitches brew. Now i have the most. He literally put words my everything to the groups. You never heard. That ain't easy visible. Yeah i haven't heard petty jefferson then please. that sounds like scotto. Yeah when i heard this i. It's it's crazy. Yeah this is eddie. Jefferson just brew on quest love supreme snake and. This sounds like a mismatch saw her. I liked that fool miles of. I'm sure he did unloading services would like a doggy. Dogg him lyrics to anything that shouldn't have lyrics it. Yeah but then turned into his. Skip to the group part. I'm sorry boss bill. I know i'm getting on your miles would not approve fan. He is not good. Listen women's bracket brothers really me and miles okay. After you started like a whole crack coke credit. I mean a whole back into it as brothers south avenue south five okay. Right in the front is small club. We sit and look up their noses while they plan and after one song my said my boys game plan to hear me up scotty is and in a pregnant woman walked in with a type dress and he said to me she wore that shit anyway. He is so funny you have to eddie. Jefferson say. I know you like i do that. Took a lot. That's than this chameleon his. Oh god he didn't chameleon to. It's the best. His what it was it was it was he was he. He's vogel i mean he. He flees of stuff. I have to do i will i will. I will hook you up. Please ain't gonna remember ended. This thing's i'll never forget concrete canyon. That's the challenge. Have you heard it here that here. Can we found that actually His daughters dark. I know she kalemie the they a room full of like all of his arrangements and sitting in the attic. And y'all go into that back there. You will not the dive in. I always wanted to know town. Why didn't you to work together. Because i think you could've pushed each other crazy to the limits. Yeah well as martin said that. I was his instrument. You were and we're going to break down the the the whole bebop medley thing. 'cause i don't know how the hell you crafted that. But that's that's later later. We'll get to so for the first for the How did you. How did you guys get your deal like the first roofers record. I mean it came out. When i was a kid but i definitely remember like i remember slip slipping and loud. I loved because the guy who i started out singing. That kind of music is now moving. That was that. listen hillbilly. That was that was real. Some really Country music. that's how i started. And and i think that's great. I mean it's because shows range. Now wanna sing every be able to do everything you know have you. Having but chinese folk song alone was the was the was the was the ban aware of your powers or have even reached the level of your power yet. We're you're like wait a minute. I have no snow. It's ongoing. it is really yeah. I just finished Almost finished during a joni mitchell cd. All my favorite songs by her and zakopane is playing bass. That was my favorite time before he died. Yeah and My god i want some of these young people because she's a philosopher she puts it down and i just did it. I did my favorite songs by her and added salt and pepper and tomato sauce and some season he s. she's funky. it's funny. You say that. 'cause i always thought that ask rufus was your his of the summer lawn mike. I always thought yeah that was was. You're you're you're you're not to her era. So what would like. What was the the original incarnation of rufus. I know that had kevin kevin andy fisher on drums The other guys like how. How did they leave like you know what would happen. You know happened abc daniel. It's it's gone. Nobody even knows what that is but it was a company at one time Anyway we got behind. We all know what that is. We're had the record. I remember the local ordinance nineteen ninety six. Something like that. So i listened anyway. I wanted to know. I wanted to know how the phase in from the first rufus album too would eventually be the rags to rufus which would lead to like when telling me. Yeah when the brothers gaming so how how did the first. Here's how include the of the The white guys had no patience. They want it. This interview over yet used that word as descriptive word defended all going. You really don't get is right when we hit jesse for them. They had all decided to quit because they didn't think it was going anywhere. I know they were kicking themselves in the back of the head when we blew up on a second album. What yes so. They approached you and said well paulette. Mcwilliams was singing lead for me. We were working on a strip called restri- in chicago. It was about five blocks of rock clubs and live music and it was a lot of people came from out of town. you know. hang there and get messed up and this is good music. So i was working at a club called Rush up there's russia russia over here and rufus slang radical street. Now the black girl that was worth seeing them before me. Her name was paulette mcwilliams. On my breaks. I'd run across the street and hear that man because they were doing original songs and stuff but rufus and i were. We were saying no the other team. What was the name of that. No no. That was my african group. When i was a child anita no. Oh you're african route when you was a child a minute before anything. How did you get your monica. Why am i skip to the music. How did you become yvette. Stevens dot com okay. That's my spiritual name. I was europe. Burghley yes i became yoruba from nigeria and and We were working at the afro arts theater with the pharaohs this is you got to talk about that transition so black panther or close. This black was doing my. You know you know i was. He was black woke. I won't up and This is. I was with them when i was twelve. Which team panthers no uraba the game around and they had a name on everybody every year. Baba would come to america to where we were and do naming ceremonies and they would name you according to When you were born what kind of person you were blah blah blah so. It took me a couple of years. You know till they are ready to name me that. My african name is shocker. I do i do fe mojo darby obe say it again which means fire warrior s. I do namings one who loves to be touched. I do fate. Means one who many compete attach malia woman waters the water career female strength and the now sound like she was damn fine and strong hail and talk a boom that her name now what she was like. We're year and six months apart so we're very close in age. We were like same height and everything people thought we were a not really twins. We the same clothes made them everything i did she did. She picked her own names of tampa and boom taka boom came from her husband. She had his name. Was john brumbach. A sex player and they call him boom okay. Shopping tackle always go to to to to educate you. Okay so explain that. Nasa going so motown staff producer norman. With phil left motown g worked a lot with norwood. In fact i had to go down there. And i'll hours with pay money. Oh you pay her. Oh okay. I'm yeah i like climate. Yeah so one of one northbound one in new orleans groups was kind of a apple futures group undeserved the truth. And that's what my sister was in that group so she joined in nineteen seventy six. There's a song called. I mean she'd come here. She's going to be so happy to now that you know that issue talking. I love me some talk first grade. But i love me some talk anyway. Yeah so it. Was you know like her or assisted. Also was the oldest in the second oldest. They always you know side. They rockin erica. So now with a have. So you're telling me that they didn't have enough patients to wait. Ride it out and see what's up with the out. What happened with the album. We just did okay the second out and they all quit. Okay and then the see Tell me something good. Or whatever tons tell good he wrecks rufus iraq's whatever was the first spill news killing me whatever Came out and we'd already bobby and tony had already stepped in so who was. Who's the leader or the established was a kevin. Was it on a quiet leader. He's the father organizer of the group. Mike who was the were. You guys is totally just a it was marcus. It was democratic yet. We had to vote on every song. I sing of songs. That i did not want saying like music me off for me. Come on you know. I like some let my like. My granddaughter. Wrote a song called love intelligence really. Yeah and she's a little girl about at three relatives daughter. Or this is malini started me and i started ensure love intelligence. That's what i want. Intel yes honey. Thank you so yeah. I might is important to me. That a person can articulate their feelings and their thoughts. If i'm reading a book and i see one misspelt one word spelt. Want to kill the book and kill the person. I don't play. That is important. Also more girls are texting a premier ari. Yeah some real. I'm real big on communication and words. I read a great deal and anyway. So we've with rags roof our previous guests junior. He was fine shopping. Last told me the best stories. You told us very curious story about him. Explain to stevie wonder that he wanted to leave wonder love and write songs independently and a he kinda insinuated that stevie only submitted. Tell me something good to you. Guys as a means to sort of cock block. Ray parker juniors you got the love in other words like you know. I would be surprised over i. How how did you meet with reporter. Junior i am. I don't remember how i met him. Okay but together. I think that one of the band members tony or some. Maybe i don't know or even you know our producer at that time might have known him And brought him in and then We wrote we wrote the song the song together bad. He wrote the guitar. And i wrote the words and this easy like that people think it takes rocket. Science takes ten years to write a song. I mean i'm in the studio. I could do a see a whole cd clinton. I we did that whole cd in two weeks but come to my house. Yes okay in two weeks. Some people work fast. And you know well you trust themselves. They trust themselves. Yeah and that's what he. And i hadn't common i wrote the point. South came back the next day he amused to it. Ever buy something and then regretted pants. They fit great at the store. But after a while you avoid sitting in them they're itchy and the windshield wipers. A hard to find okay. We're talking about cars here. That's why carmax is introducing the love. Your car guarantee with twenty four hour test drives a thirty day. Money back guarantee so you can take a car home. Get comfy with it because sometimes you just don't know it fits until you fall asleep on your couch. Sorry talking about pants again. 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Reach for that blue moon when you in need is added brightness get blue moon and lights guy delivered by visiting get dot blue moon beer dot com to see your delivery options. Blue moon tastes brightness responsibly. Blue moon brewing company. Golden colorado ale. So is there like inspiration for every song or is it just that easy they just come to you and it's like this really doesn't have anything to do with me but it sounds though i know people appreciate it no i. I think what i'm writing. Will i be able to live with this song in twenty years embarrassed. That's a good thought in. That explains a lot about your filler on your civil records because especially between chaka and and what's what was that. What you do for me came out shock. Yeah okay so much this. There's there's at least four or five songs. That are like i'm like. Yeah this guy did i how you know. It wasn't like fate night moves. I love you like things still go hard today. Like in clubs and it's tyler aldo. He'll goes down. You know could information it timeless. You dig if you're saying something that has application or will apply throughout time. You're doing something that's with the is true. You have to syncopal. Cargo chicago philosophy so Would tell me something good I know that stevie wonder said that you had rejected. I'm also advocated the first song. I'm see i'm a big fan of serena's second album. And i know that he had initially given you either spin around or come and get the stuff from cerita second album and you rejected it. And then he came back with. Tell me something good. You know what he did was he came to the studio monaco God bless his soul. We didn't believe he was coming. He said how'd you guys love to work with stevie wonder we said you have right. In the next night he was there to deliver. I was very pregnant. Uh-huh and So funny he's kinda you know. Talk smack you know to me And he didn't know. I was pregnant. But that was good result. He plays i saddam at the exit. Okay listen to this. We listen and everybody's looking at me guys. I don't like it. what else you got. You said we'll show bursa aries pisces. It oh i got the song for you yes you. Your boss literally played the songs. I was gonna say like how the heat demo songs back then like did he. Just sit there and sing it to you. And now when he did well. He started playing the chords that he was like well. What people don't know is that we wrote it together. But i gave him all the credit. Because i was so honored and happy know that he was there with us and i didn't know nothing about the music business. He's handled the word. Regret cole road to boca vets. None none okay. Here's a learning experience. You know that's how you learn. The best way to learn is the messa. No we're working with bob monaco. Because is wonderful really. He's a great guy. He's a hustle. 'cause i like hustler's thing is that he technically only stay with you guys up until rufus sized and you know my my thought. My theory was that you know as each progresses. You're coming to your own. As far as an orthodox experiments and stuff. And i'm like well if i'm a staff producer at a record label. I'm trying to figure out. How are you able to conduct these experiments in your background vocal game and i'm hearing that someone saying like no. That's the wrong note. Like ira did it all the time i because he would write it when i was singing. It don't work on people but work on ears. I told him. I said i'm singing. This and it works because the sound good irish. He's a overtones. Wonderful those on good on the paper. When i came read. Say he's never challenged you or none of the guys ever challenge like i don't know if that blinn works or well rufus the guys they were really like my big brothers and fathers. I was shot in after they were. Here's a it's not a pretty story but Take the good the they would keep me. Keep me messed up. Then they would wind me up to go off h than i go back to my hotel room each one of them. I don't know if they got together and said you go first jewel segment. Each one would come to my room. Do walk through. Make sure nobody was there. And then i make sure i was. I had my stuff and he left. I used to sneak out sometimes in some of the weirdest deepest darkest places twelve road tracks stuff just to get out. How old are you at this point. I was twenty twenty two by this point. I mean you're right is is growing. How are you because you get buried where you were married at the point. How are you able to find anybody make me. I didn't marry a very good guy. 'cause i had his name richard holland. Get a jet. I remember here like i'm again. You know he's actually Italian okay to International anyway yeah. I didn't really ever remember those photos in jet. And i remember like feathered hair. He was you know. What did the panthers say. I'm just had never talked about this young to infiltrate the you know the from didn't mind. Well you know. I've been through many things i've been many things. You highly on many pairs of shoes your day and i have a lot of stuff to top that to offer you know. I don't often get the chance. I wrote a book you know. Call far and it was good but you know what. I've lived a whole other life since that book. So when's the next book. Well she's living. It's going to come as somebody. We're going to do it. But i have to have patience for that Patients really so with I noticed that the one thing about your Your albums with rufus is that there are various combinations and incarnations of the actual name of the group racks roofers was rufus with chaka khan roofers. Size was featuring chris featuring sacked three players like rufus and chaka laggers is one name basis. And i know that when you're in a group dynamic even if you are the lead singer like when you're singled out Becomes awkward because that's usually when the separation period started. I love being part of a group. So was it nothing company. The say made that change and that was the beginning of the end for us of the benfield about the they felt like crap did not like it at all. So i didn't eat management by the time. Robert ellis silverstein that is a diana ross's husband. That was her husband. Robert traces did so. I mean you was there. Explain to him like look. You know when you guys like single me out on the leave those guys out. It's there's unfair balance and it's more important to have the greater good chemistry of the been as opposed to make me a star guilty. Affeldt real the guilt about it. I still feel some kind of way but You know that's over these. Yeah well you know. We haven't for a while and now we're just together. We just did a great What do you call it. not yes. Noble win Just we're just finishing it up just finished. We're putting music to it now. It will be out. I think by december people out to commenting pretty without me one around not to roof as you. Races going to conceptualize the importance of rufus. You ain't saab liver netwo- as you very well a very jesus. that's amazing. that's amazing. Wanna be a teacher. I teach them when you want to. It and i didn't want to be a teacher But once when you're on the internet and you watch millennials get this missive. Actually use this moment to through salons in the bus shots fired. No one of our first know some salons is a sponge and she's like our her like educate me. What what is it going to give me and ford a lot of like ask roof is is my litmus test to see how deep you are into the. She failed it for the first year she had. Add she didn't pay attention. I'm trying to explain to her because the thing is like you can't love prince without loving what way to meet him right. Yeah and i'm going to clarify like heavy strings rate. You'd need and she just don't get it like slow and sad. And i explained to her so eventually she got it but it was like two years later but i mean it was a lot of conversations like that that let me to say obvious. Say perhaps he missed your calling asset. I said that the quite a few singers and musicians when somebody comes to me and say how do you hit high notes. Well actually not inequality. I not a singer aztec a maybe maybe you should look into something else. So do you do you. Are you the break out in song at any moment person to warm your voice or your the variety or where you got. Maybe maybe not onto this crazy. And i'm warmed up by the third song adored natural warming up with the people. Really keep it real. I can't no you don't have no like this guy that trains a lot of people suffering yes. I went tapped my sister. Tammy to see him your when you open your sammy said what are you won't really ask. I want. i came for help. Is that help you. What so he did. Tell me one thing though. Yes he said that. I sing Natural and parallel. I mean no. I think natural and high notes which also at the same time and he found that you know this doesn't happen and then My throat doctor. Says i have a backup my vocal court. There's a little like dome which helps for protection helps projection. it's a be a birth defect. Yes so she got a dome in a dome accord and yeah okay with extra data. Really put that online. I'm totally totally. Believe that i mean this is the thing and especially with black people that you know for a lot of us. There's this perception of like sorry. There's there's this perception of natural talent and from their release they're really not being a science to it and just blown with it. We don't work. I know but i feel it. It is a science. I think that maybe it's up to observers like knee. Or whoever. I mean i don't know how to you know. Take music and that sorta stuff to explain. People like this is not normal. Why this is a this is solar eclipse moment. A once in a lifetime arrival thing. So it's just you know. I know that you're saying like this is naturally and i believe you but i also believe that there is a science to. I believe that to the genius. But i'm glad that you know for us as like an effortless like stefan curry just inside in three. After i test when singers gel people got an exam singer as i sing. Now no pupo. I've you do that. Yeah ooh i know see thought fair not gonna pro shock a communist you a singer forget about the right but i mean as you the same and you don't need how many how many rise to the challenge though when you be like all right saying a couple more now don't act like you're not go ahead right and you know you've got zillur approach in a lizard mike and to me. I'm a singer sing lizard realize when you say that you got to know that even here in this hypothetical story and i'm a singer i'm sure i want to sing in front of soccer. Well who would want to say to me. I'm a singer get can you sign. Yeah and if they say i can sign. That's a thing right now. All right so let me. Let me test. You let me test you on your contemporaries so save someone like so has has vested williams in her unknown vase. Ever come to you and been like. Hey you're idol. I sing to yes. And i hired her. She's from the school shock con school of music. Several women who are famous today. Your students students love school with music. And ain't pretty. They got to sign. Wanna know when you put through the ringer. all well. they they love it. They love the challenge. You know and they you know they love it. Who are some of your other proud of pupils. I should say it was like name. I mean lisa fischer how can you got to be by soccer and luther thinks victor victim morgan okay. I've had several several women and they have to sing. they have to entertain easy. It's not easy but the girls got right now and the guy found just hit the mother lode. Would these girls. They sing like one person singing in harmony of his sisters or now. It's Okay that tony scruggs routes on my baby right here. everybody can approach her and he's not for clowns. She's serious she really went to. Yes i know her. Audrey wheeler and tiffany tiffany more more lorne so these three girls killing killing they kill it always curious to know. Did you ever work with or have any dealings with tata vega. Because i always thought love was. We love each shock assault of qatar. Okay oh she's a beast. Yeah excuse me. There are quite a few weeks deaf. Ubs out there. that's how can i. Can i ask you honestly when if this were the seventies or the eighties. Would you still acknowledge that or give it up. If someone was like all right. I give it up. You you good. You were always like tell because it's different in hindsight. And when you're you're the sage elder statesman like it was. Because i know that probably the only other figure in this world of music that could stand close to you. She was into forthcoming with the compliments. And the and the encouragement if someone could sing as good hurt and she was the queen was aretha. And let's talk about it. I liked that really. She loves me. i love her. You know your fingers crossed. I'm doing okay like it okay. And that's rare thing coming. Say you the queen on lady-in-waiting as long as there's a line she's the queen that's the queen get you'll stuff have you heard of moody's mood for love. No no every hamming could moody's lovers like those are my two vegas so ponte when i told you that i have some dance war clears okay so one night i was like all right. I'm gonna play this version fast. Version was awfully. I'm just joking. i'm sorry. But i do know that google. You know almost fainted. Okay fainted got it about to faint. Just my phone into anything for anything. I look to her first. She can do anything. Okay so this is a quincy jones produced. Hey now hey other side of the sky. And they did a speed fast version of moody's mood. This is Moody's mood by referring queen nineteen seventy-three produced by quincy jones. Yep air. I never listen but spun view of severe the next whereas the power power down to why this dream about is on not not lab. Weird james louis really. Eddie jefferson upper. Yes he did Forgot right now. james moody. Oh no. No jefferson long. Yes but that's okay. She's the queen you man. I'm just saying. Oftentimes i mean there's two types of there's two types of people which those kind of nurturing and they'll encourage who's coming up next and those are sort of stand office saying that i feel like that's the difference between you and her is that you will give praise where praises do where i've heard stories that she you know. Will you really have to knock her out in order to get her respect. Which you know makes you just work harder. But it makes sense She just live. she's not really lives from our toes to the top of head. What she is and we haven't heard everything that she's capable of. I'm telling you this stuff Every i mean i've always hearing stuff by her The fact that come on she came from the church She's saying aren't be and blues but to sing. Jazz like that. See jazz is cerebral. Music to me to be a thinking person with a good mount with a mind intact To mess with that music. I feel like i'm only kissing. Him of the dress of the lady called has what yes. i think. that's my does not even a brown nose moment from i kinda big different okay. I beg to differ. you low. They threw me in the studio and They had to come find me. I was running away from echoes. Venero out scared was to sink that you made a challenge that you couldn't that was slow down saying that you know you're going to like at olympia in the second may throw you in the water. But they came at my ex came. Found me dragged me to chick. Corea said he said oh there you are as a country. Is that just saying. Just thank what you did. It didn't i did. Yes you did do it now. That's beating all right so with with the self titled record First of all who who came up with the logo and the idea of the lips by belus. I gotta tell you all right. So i'm like five years old this back when like groups used to put posters inside your records and so you know i'm like five years old and as big as posted with lips is light is one thing when it's daylight and you see it but when you sleep at night and it's like zero clock in the morning and like you see these lip staring at you and your bedroom. Whose idea was that. Was it to match the rolling stones. Think that he had you know he's really successful guy. He was good at something else. Was the president of abc. Or now. No bob manning okay. I'm sorry i'm thinking of all bad. You know he He booked us Opening for the stones for three shows in one day we did one show was fab. It was amazing. It was unbelievable store jagged. He came saying it looked at miami hotel jamming. You know after the gate one night at a hotel and every route there koussa's the and we were saying song. He always was missing the dangsong. You know we things on. He kept missing. I said wait you. Don't you can't sing and i hope one remember something like that. Wouldn't one salving that ruby. Tuesdays gotta fight. They do what they do. I'm releasing their songs fingers. Admit that you know. He's a singer singer but you know he took. Are you really saying he. He's a lot from tina turner. I thought more than anybody. Actually you know image wise. I would probably say that you know how did you feel about. Behold the sex symbol image. That was soccer con by you know by the third or fourth reckitt like yeah. I excuse me i didn't care for it. I really didn't that sound my head was that did it make your life harder. Yes it did Did as far as your your your domestic life at home or how. The guys felt. Yes i every been with with not that really that many When i go on the road to work that always Accused me chris. Problem as in the band. I said look if i was going to do something like that. I would not take a plane to booty but arkansas. Okay do it. i can stay right here. Nice house and go out there and night you know as secure. Yeah security yeah. Cameras was christopher ever member of the group or call life okay life and he taught me out plate play drums starving flan drought so was okay so there was a guy on the roof assize record the had an afro. I don't who was he. Nate morgan keyboard player. So you always had to keep players in rufus at kind of yes. We did because kevin was always there. Okay yeah and how who. How did bobbi in tony officials getting because when was younger. I thought that bobby watson was tony. I thought he was. The voice of the male voice always singing. And then i was telling me when i was older i was like. Oh that was tony. Maiden i've played with what with Played organ player. he just died a couple of years person preston. Yes they were with the billy preston van and yeah and they stop with with billy because he wanted to go go around and sing with a play with other people. We hired them and That's your recommendation or like. Did they know the guys or i don't really remember because there's so many members like how do you put feelers out for this. Is it management. That looks in the now francis john robinson we were playing in that where he lives in iowa wars that and they went out the guys went out and after the and he was playing club and they did. That's crazy heat waves on isla something like that. That's cruise is some weird someplace like that. That funky from such a money for both hunting. I'm too yeah. I've heard england. There's i mean you're at some amazingly funky people really are you perplex or dismayed at people's love for sweet thing because they think it's a love song and bliss not what it was between between reasons by earth wind and fire sweeping the most misunderstood ever. That's my song. You don't want this players as your wedding pretty wings by maxwell. He's really about to give me this. Ooh sweepings about fair. You're not mine. Oh you're not right. The first time ever got show for gercy. When i was thinking i was five. Oh dear candy niger. Candy bagging nyc candy. naga denied. It was your mind candy like candidate who you know. That's that's one of the many. You know me mrs. Oh i'm glad we got a thing going on. There's a slim classic saving all my love for you. Slow yes love songs. It's all these it's like side people you know. They make a new language when they don't know the word yup and he signed a cane denied making sole desire is. Do you make me. Weak was sold desire. That's mine i with some stuff. Yeah i think it makes them feel because that song my mother me and my mother using nets on when i was a kid. And you're not thinking about the feast sunday morning ceremony cleanup singing together sing together on saturdays. Yes my my mother. Upper mac butterfly fly. And you know anything opera. And then she put on the singer sarah allen. My grandmother introduced me to billie holiday. Say what do met her. Played it all the time. And she said this out mitch into. She was on crutches singing of that album lady in satin. And so you know. My mind went while i hear of ood. She's dragging it around stands. Mike as she can hardly stand up then may be really intrigued so every song on that album and you know and the new read about her history and strange fruit. How can anybody. I'm just saying. I could imagine getting out the bus to take a fee and fi and seeing this tree with body my god. I can't even fathom. I think i would stop doing everything if i saw that. Have you never covered. Billy i thought oh. Yeah that's what i thought. Yeah and i got yourself a few. I love when you do characters at carmax. Were pretty flexible with how you can buy a car. If you'd rather scroll through fifty thousand cars instead of walking the lot go for it if you want to see how a car smells on the law before you buy it by all means we all have our things want the whole thing to come to you without ever leaving home by online compare how the speaker sound when playing your favourite mixed visit our lives and if you wanna browse a little on the lot and in select markets. Have it delivered at home. We're certainly not stopping carmax the way it should be. Have you ever noticed how some people are always seeing to have the best luck. I have this friend right. 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Okay yeah hot sauce and you did. I was always curious about Stephen bishop little early. When did it come on god. The debt is seven. Oh how many is stephen bishop stephen bishop and on his al is on his record. Thank background with him. Curious curious as the album album. Great writer great writer and a really really beautiful thing. That's right okay. now i'm remembering. Yeah that was one of the songs. I heard you talk about playing characters you sounded. I didn't even know it. Was you until i looked at the credits but like you is like you became someone else in your so. I was thinking. I'm going to tagging mother. Esther talion son into character on it. But i didn't know having italian accent little italy. Are we play. It is shocked. You've probably never heard of before all right. So let's around fifty seven second martin. Look you know know everything little in its around fifty seven so this supreme be great. Second shoe paradin. Some matters call the name the sidewalk. See 'em holding win whenever rosie town thing. She dancing in the streets and They're all dancing in the streets. Nine so what. We just heard Time wise are you a but the giver one takeover a are you phrased by freeze punch it in. I never thought. Just play the cassette. How do you commit to memory what you have to sing because again. That's that's a prime example of you doing this linear melodic thing. Do you commit it to memory where i'm supposed to. That's the one place music singing and remembering words. You know that is like nothing to me. It comes from god. Or i connect with a higher power. When i'm singing when i'm on stage and things are really everything's working right. I don't remember what i did. I have no walk off. And it's like don't i dunno i. Did you know. Because i was in a place i call it. The green laser beam hook up. Well i go out of myself and something comes serving. It's not a gift to be taken for granted. Because you know even like i knew people that i'd know they have to loop stuff over and over again for our for our just to remember. Some don't even do that. I'd know some people that dislike line for line here. You know okay. I'll seen this line in punch an important. I could never do that. I think is the skill. I mean when you come from her airline. Would you recorded on tap water. If you wanna take in pro tools it makes. Yes yes you couldn't really you know mess up too much. Yeah le- now listening to analog. You know or. I didn't let it madam. I don't think that's a genius. That's the only thing. I could say that is genius about me is the fact that i can remember lyrics and i get right. Well we just want three. Does that a lot. And i hate he does that. He can just remember on with me. I have no. You can tell me your phone number and seven nine three and i forget that redid it to i watched every time. He'll he'll listen to a minute and thirty seconds of something and i swear he'll get the first forty five seconds perfectly as we are played again. All right i got the eight s not supposed to have good short term. Memory you have steph is back. you're right okay. You okay so now this. This is my favorite part of the conversation Seventy seven ask now. No record has ever hit me. Heart egyptian song. Yeah oh yes so. I feel you on that. No ever hit me more than that album did when i was a kid And for me because it's rare for black music and black art. I feel like for black artists like okay. Well you got to three dance. Hits in some filler. Do this cover song and wrap it up but with the exception of marvin gaye accepted of here. My dear. maybe what's going on. I just never heard an album. So seamlessly like seamlessly vets is man. It's more it's a sad but to me it's also sad record yes it is and i'm did you guys have a conversation of like okay. Let's make a series album filler free. And and let's. It's almost like clear. Fisher was the the co star of it. Well clare fishing into come on onto after we did you know. So he sweden it up at the end. Yes he did and he took a just a song which i wrote from a dream. I had a dream. I've always had the finnity to egypt meant to that culture. You know I had a dream. And i don't know our remember how we put it together. I think and i think. Tony and bobby. We all were kind of connected really. Yeah how again. If clare fischer's the last element that's added. How do you guys even know like you have a fully fleshed out song just with the rhythm section. imagine it without strings. This is still a song it without claire. Claire what did you say another level. What did you say when you heard the for the first time that stuff shrink yes almost i cried. I cried to this man gets he gets it like for me. The last minute of egypt song now because her parents used to always go away on the road for like weeks at a time. Usually like sunday's word 'sad as in the house where it's like. Okay here we gotta go away for six weeks ago. You grandma's like so. Imagine this ship plan in the background. Now okay don't ask how. I got this particular mixed. Is this strings keyboards back. Ooh bobby going Breakdown is liking dreamy. It sounds like a mummy movie. Yes so visit plane. When like mom's win. I'm not gonna sue to like may as like february on hoopla. Now it's a live staying. All right. music is save me. You know down so man. I'd just for me just the whole and i know like the group imploded. After you know. I know that andrea left after this time period first of all. It's like how. How do you guys even. Did you guys even tour behind his album. Like how i don't know for stuff like everlasting love and for midnight. That's easy to recreate. But it's like. How do you guys never did that live. No we never did earth's on live Do i do her thumb right now. Yeah you do it now. I do it in my show And you know. I have to explain to people. You don't with the songs about it. Song is the earth singing to the universe. It's the earth could sing to the moon and stuff. Just forgive me if i turn away. I'm just a sleeper i I know that you watch my dreams. You're my heavenly keepers. Yeah you know. And so it's like when the earth turns in the moon is you know there and then it keeps turning in the moon is gone and the earth i think would say i'm turning away so i mean wh- no but i'm saying like yes. This is typical of the era in nineteen seventy seven. You know i mean silver connections doing get up and boogie light is what is your record label saying like. How can we push this exactly. That was the hardest part in my entire career. And it still is there. What box does she fit into. They couldn't fit me in a box. And i'm still that way. Still can't be boxed so they don't know what to do. I've been lucky and blessed. You know people like you you guys. You know who get it. You know people who are trying to make money for tour the whatever. I'm totally separated and not about them. And that that is what makes music seemed like a whore. Actually it is the language of the angels. it is high hi speech and high communication of the highest. That's what music is. That's why you can go anywhere on the planet and thing sweet thing. They don't know they don't know what you're saying but they get what you mean the passion of day get it and they. They know what kind of song they get it in japan. I mean only. They know some songs that i've sung. Well so that's communication and it's like very special. I think but just the overall tone of the album. How did that play out into the dynamics of the band. Because i know that you guys took a break for a year first of all how does abc even let it start. Signed to warner brothers. Or they. You know austin like hey. Abc kind of died out really or yearly and I think it was bob. Ellis that sorta what happened was Older smith came in saas and he. He signed ndas by then. I was pretty pretty well known in the music industry by industry people so i. That's why i got. I got you know where i got. So how do you explain to you guys like okay. Well i'm gonna do solo project quick but i'll be backwards like where was it. Well you know. I got pregnant Into the beginning of that. Rut situation. Otis smith you know he was trying to chat me up and everything. God bless you otis. But i'm telling the truth. He thought he was trying to have me. And i got pregnant by my husband and he told me he hung on our goal. Megastar to you. If you're going to be having babies i said. Let me tell you something. I'm gonna be what i'm going to be with you or without you around. You are under you. You have nothing to say about this That's crazy because how many female singers have that. Same story like pregnancy. I'll walk start. I said i'm not. You know a a pinup up. Right when i'm pregnant and up so so coming to the saka project You work with. I mean if is one of my for me like the band that i worship the most. When i was a kid was the average weight and so to see those names on the credits as was. Oh that's gonna be awesome. What was it. What was it like working with him. Rf yeah he was like my uncle father really. He's care of me. He put when. I got my. Did you see them first or do they come to you like okay. They put us together. Orca who did you initially. Because by that point i forgot. You did a sound stuff like that to quincy. Yeah well quincy seventy six. Was he ever in the running for a second mean before massive jam. But i mean like long you know. I don't know what happened behind the scenes. The with that with him. Not where. I think he's might have been work with michael around that time he was. Yeah ira phen i. I liked awful lot because he had produced aretha franklin. That's right yes. I love what you donny. Hathaway right and you know so. I was like this is good and i mean. He bought the blinds for my apartment. You put the eat. Took care of me like like his daughter. And i you know i was a spiritual daughter and he told everybody that you told me. All the time drew my instrument. Really my instrument. You can play anything that i hear that i want. So how you. I mean by that point by that point you're just in full-fledged of control of your instrument your arrangements song i want it then yeah like was there. Whether any conflicts whatsoever in the stuffy. Just thing at all with quincy once Let me give. It wasn't me who for you early shark. Entering tones is a lot anyway. Saw the nickel value writing a lot of specific again that song. I actually talked me into it because i felt i feel awkward saying the words. I'm every woman i didn't. How dare somebody say that. Every woman i would. Not you know mentally there yet. Not seeing the too young. Because i say see. I'm thinking in terms of singing. Like feminist anthems those things. I thought that was just in line with you. You know you're you're womanhood it making us respect you know. I wouldn't think about one that at all. I seeing songs. That meant something to me lyrics. Like i'm back. I'm a backbone. Your smile was written by a woman named the loamy washburn. She wrote those songs. And but i'm every woman. I had to grow into it. I just law maybe in the last ten years or something got comfortable seeing that because i understood what she was saying you know what they were they writing. I understood what witnessing sing it mean to you. She's the of all the people that are covered by some To ask after she did it. I said use my background. So that you like i is. She's she's great. She was raped. Great artists do was. I'm every woman. i was clouds. I which no clouds on the second app on this the first song naughty a love this song whenever they make us Record we would put the word out we get boxes and boxes of cassettes and we would sit and listen to songs listening sessions and would mark which songs with the but we're good and we came down to it he would go on attracting right it out. Oh you don't want to ask. What were your feelings on. Snaps the power. I got the power specifically borrowing Yeah well that was the penny. Yeah actually gig. I was living in england. They voted for you. Paul me and asked me to come and do this stuff with him with them. But you know our having too much fun. I told him out of. It is a pity you to that because she is one of my students as well. You sent her to do it as you could. Add do it really. Yeah and now myself on the back of my head a monster. Yeah so basically why. Snaps rarely snap context. Penny was the one who saying. I got the power. Yeah but that's not the part that we're referring. Would you own the game jenkins snatching. I'm just saying the whole he could break my heart part from. I got the power which is from this song right here. I go brother and sped up. It got fast. If you could tell that that was the heart. Stone and steve aronie. He wasn't chicken on the dan drunk. I'm mean fast. I the little hearts when they're excited. I thought we had a moment. 'cause i don't want it'd be like humble brag around three. Yes i own this near so on. Some love wanted piccolo. Steve for steve. I've stock new drummer in life. More than steve ruining like literally his land. I'm saying i'm is heir apparent more than clydesdale or any other trump. I'm steve jones double he as a gesture. He gave me his black and white snare that he's used on all that stuff. Ready w being your records fantastic. Two miles gave me one of his. His trumpets blew one really. What his nephew that. I could kill him. He took it back and kill that almost. Who can't take it. But i'm telling you. After he died in his in his will he gave it to me and the boy kept every time. I see him he shrinks and tries to hide and say i won't get into. I swear i'm gonna get you well. I'm done with it now. Santa miles davis is your your voice. Scientists like my home. you have. Trump has enough for me. The muted trumpet trumpet. Only muted sexy. How can make. Yeah baby a one question. I had your background vocals on high love. His name see. How did you guys working together. Well what's his name qatar player. Let's play guitar The what was said dammit. A clever no black guy I'm trying to think of the solid. He's you know poll on a song. He did 'cause he puts us long everything he plays. He's playing guitar on and he asked. He has means it. I want to I don't know who told asked me but I knew. Steve winwood. I knew him and you know you met him. And i know that he was the foul falconer. He likes his burdens. Yeah i like that. I love back. Bird woman i have had. I've had some really good birds. Okay yeah african grays the so anyway He asked him he he asked me. Would i come and sing background on his style. Absolutely not will jennings or russ tilman producers Guitar right. Now i'm frank eddie martinez martinez no black now. Rogers nile easy. Yeah there's video and he's playing yeah. We love video. That man work. Thank you so much of the grammys. I remember that when russ when they won the album of the year. They kept saying your name like they said it four times. Yeah no they when he accepted the song of the year. The grammy's okay. I'm trying to squeeze out every bit of information before i lose. I'll maybe we would do this again. We will i. I gotta ask center. I'm gain. I gotta ask. I have to ask this question. Sorry you're bebop metal all right. I know she's looking like you're bebop medley which i feels like your greatest challenge of song. How did that come to be. Who organized it okay. Rif that was his baby. He did all the track attracted athey tracked. He said to me. 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Celtics Beat Wolves, Jayson Tatum Scores 53 Points

The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden

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Celtics Beat Wolves, Jayson Tatum Scores 53 Points

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Focus on that will start with that it was Celtics wanted OT hundred forty-five ton of buckets. If you like defensed this one with the game for you. This is still not your game in this season for you know, so Sherrod Blakely Jimmy just got no Bobby Manning. We also have Joe sway ponies at the Garden right now doing some stuff for us over at ceiling it's medium that is going to join us shortly. So guys, let's just get some opening thoughts here and then we'll let you us way in and we'll we'll chop it all up. So you want my key moment. I texted you guys about this and I I walk ins. I'm just getting go ahead go ahead. I want yours. I believe this ended up working, but I'm actually going to give big credit to Brad Stevens who challenge that Kemba Walker. I thought it wasn't anywhere close to not being a file. I don't even know why you've challenged and I texted you guys. I was like was that just a like backup your guy Challenge and right after that point they wage. Bloated and there was so much frustration with the officials of that first-half. It's all the stuff we've talked about with them getting distracted by calls getting in their own heads about that kind of stuff hate him got to eat up Emma got down and then Brad, you know showing them support their and he did it later to Grant when he was boxing a guy out and he saw Danny Ainge and Mike zarren freaking out her along the sidelines. I can't believe it'd be officiating things seem to rally the troops tonight and they just exploded with energy the rest of the night going on. Go ahead fraud. I'm not going to give the officials that kind of credit. I think what more than anything else Bobby. I think they finally played a game where they felt emotionally engaged where they actually got their asses kicked off and they actually responded by saying we don't want to get our asses kicked tonight. We're actually going to fight back. We're actually going to put up a resistance to just getting run over. I thought to me when Grant William Smith That he confessed to the shop made the diving say led to a basket at the other end of the floor. I thought Marcus Smart did a lot of Marcus Smart things out there tonight including that huge as a boy. He took from Cat shut down at first. I thought he was really selling it. But when you saw it in slow-mo, he really got clocked when that player at his neck. They just told me so what are you going to do? I took like a champ. What? Yeah, what was the point is they actually showed some fight when they were getting their asses kicked as opposed to just rolling over and playing dead and I was great to see but again, this game was kind of like their season really there's some things that you definitely liked but there's a lot of stuff that makes you want to crank. Yeah. And again, those things is again this actually, you know, if you guys notice on my threat, I kept the complaining to a minimum because I actually thought they were I thought they're going to win the whole time. It felt like one of those games that wage They'll flip the switch eventually after the Russell thing at the end. I'm not talking all the way in the fourth quarter. I'm talking third-quarter and blow up and they make their I was like the selfish. I almost texted you double digits coming. Like I felt that I didn't feel that this game was going to go badly and then with two fifty-one left and eleven point lead, they figured they allowed them to come back and establish, which was Unreal know I didn't I wasn't sweating this one this felt like a step on the gas game when they wanted they were going to get it but you hate seeing them get out work the way they did so badly in the the first half and they did but you also love to see, you know them turn it up and then you hate to see them blow the lead. So it's again these swings that you're going on all night. I think a lot of people are probably leaving a game. Not sure whether they feel good or bad about it, right? Yeah. It was typical of the Timberwolves though. I mean, they they score a ton of points. They find a way to choke it away in the end and then they catch that fat l l This was very much. They're kind of game and the Celtics fortunately we were able to come away with a win which is what most teams have done all season loan against the timber pups. Yeah, and you know, I think I think you got to give credit to Marcus Smart Chef Marcus, if you're watching, you know, good good job up there. There's watches in that first half when it looks like, you know, some of the some of the guys on the team were sort of sleepwalking a bit and just not engaged the way the way the way we've seen, you know, many times this season. They just didn't look engage in markets marketed him and I think Tristan Thompson two two guys that were like nah, like we're not we're not going down this way tonight, you know, you know, at least not sure if I can help it I'm not going to you know, let that happen. And then in the second half Tatum really came alive. What do you have 35 points in the second half including overtime. So, I mean one of those one of those games for Tatum where he looked like one of those Elite scores stretches, I mean, there are there were the, you know, the, you know, we really liked that last shot in the and regulation probably not but it's almost like we're at Pier status now we're you know back in the game. Were they were just give the ball the Pierce and whatever would happen would happen you'd go from there. I mean, it's not very creative. I know you always liked it going to the basket better than that Fall Away pierced in Tempe. This whole life at the end of the day. If you if you look at Tatum's percentages isolation step back jumpers, you know contested. He's probably shooting you looked at the clutch that's too and he's about as good as any yep. You're good but the late but that particular shot that he took there is about a 30% or for him, you know, Thirty 35% or it's it's not the number one shot in his Arsenal but it seems to be what we do is rely on late in that game. I don't love it. I always want to see stuff coming to the basket or see if you can work somebody coming off a screen or something. And actually I don't want to be in the passing Lane either which he was doing all that was happening too, but the I do want to quickly before we get into it. And before we welcome Joe Sway and we gotta tell everybody again about our sponsor locker room. And again, this has been pretty job. Amazing so far this season we've done this for two games right now massive amount of people and you guys leaving the postgame coming over and joining us in this room, which is great. Tell everybody a little bit about the room. It's an audio-only app. It's free to download. Yes. We know it's not available on Android, but I swear that's coming. It's an iOS situation. So you get it on your iOS store and it's just read downloaded. 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You support us. We bring you more content or the stuff. Yeah, and that's what we want to do. This is an actual spark are not that is a fair point Jimmy. It's not just it's not just something we do after the games. We're it's a sponsor and they're with us for the next three months at least a name is one of the reasons we're doing what we're doing, but he eats we want to feed Bobby so, you know some good salmon. So the turkey burgers turkey turkey burgers ham and turkey burgers and some chicken breasts. Yeah you go. So you guys mentioned smart. You're right like this. This did feel like a game where smart was like, we're not losing this game and he was dead. He you could tell how he was so good right here amped it up. This was such an a-plus-plus Marcus Smart type of game where he was just in everybody's face. He was all off the court. Obviously he made shots as well. I mean he was efficient. So obviously one of the one of those games where you're not looking at the stat line and saying despite the fact that he shot poorly. He did everything he was but it was a good ten City when everyone else is kind of going through the motions when they were clearly getting outworked when they were down double-digits and couldn't cut into the leave Marcus is like f it you know, right this was this was a get on my Gap sort of effort interest into I thought was one who was out there did feel like Rob was coasting at times and Tristan gave him energy but marketing Marcus brought all of it. But you know what the Tristan off after what he said I can't co-sign on all this happy happy joy joy, I love we got here. This was a worst team in the NBA. I assure you that way home. Second this is the worst team in the NBA where your best player had to score fifty plus points your best Defender play probably one of his best games that guy that you know, we've been wanting to see make an impact Tristan Thompson did that and you went to overtime at home. Come on, so we know that you're right a good win. That's not the whole story. We're trying to walk or trying trying to put a positive spin on this for the game the game Minnesota is thirteen and forty but this is only their seventh game with pounds and Russell all year. They're a lot better than that when they're fully healthy and they've been battered like no one else this year with Cobra and other stuff this morning like a hundred eighteen points per hundred but those guys on the Ford this year. So they're the real life at least on offense. Everybody's good as anyone on that. They're not they just put a point thirty-seven on Jimmy's Boulevard be there like twenty fourth in the league in points per because they're guys have been over a year every month. Has been out all year. Come on man. Not like Minnesota. I mean Russell Smith 30 games and so disgusting talenti. They've got some talent for sure the last place team for sure. Listen to them. They are what they I mean, they are electronic games. Yeah, but and you know, they can score but they don't play defense. They make a lot of boneheaded mistakes that D'Angelo Russell 3-pointer when they were down one was Minnesota in a nutshell right there. I mean you had a ball with a chance to go up on the Celtics the lately, you know, they have I think they had a last shot potential there. They rushed a 3-pointer and they missed it. It's just went over to him because at the angel HID bulb shot wild one there, but you know aside from that. I think that know what's going on. Okay, Vicki just way, okay. When I was going to say was Sherrod makes a good point. This is a crappy. This is overall crappy team and you nobody made it to that. They're a bunch Sprecher's fine. It's a fact that Iraq is a fact and I'll give you that but the fact is also this the Celtics are much better or should be much better than the Timberwolves regardless of what their record is and they went down with 17 for brake line back and actually went game but the fact that they went down the way that they did is what this team has been kind of resonate. You know, this is what you've been seeing from this team all year that Celtics team and that's the problem. So we're giving them credit for for snapping out of it so good on them for doing it, but the fact that they had to do that and like Sharad said drop fifty plus from Tatum just to win this game is is tough. I really want to see how they come out on this West Coast trip because we've seen them beat up on bad teams. Look, this is bad in the sense that you want to be able to look you had two games in a row where you drilled the bad teams, okay. You then you're absolutely you know, eight Juju against Philly and that was really demoralizing you had a gut it out win against the Knicks team that that could have easily gone the other way and then you have to guess which was a really crap performance for an entire half and maybe longer but at the end of the day you gotta win these games every once awhile to when you're not the problem is you don't want to excuse too many of these no effort games. They just they have too many of them. So you don't want to reward them. You see a first-half like they had and you're like come on guys. So yes, it's not a happy happy joy joy, Everything is Awesome puppy and sunshine sort of win but it is what it is at this point. It started to break this game down and look at the individual efforts you look at how much of the teams intact now since Thompson returned and I know you're going to laugh at that one. But I mean you're looking at to really complete performances now from him looking like you should probably be the starting center on this team, which I said come into this game. Maybe that first half goes definitely a brad makes that move because wrong Another game where he was following off then position what I mean, he's fine Bobby but he's he's good in this role here. It's again. It's I think the second unit is really like, we're home to thrive who robbed or Tricia Rob had a great run with that second unit. Again, the problem. This is the same issue and we kind of go over with, you know, Brad made the case Rob to get involved much in the office with the first-team. And the question is why the question is why don't they look for him and more opportunities and things that he does well instead of just saying well, we're not going to pass to him. So he's not going to start at the office. So it's his defense defense is the issue the defense again compared to Thompson. I don't know that you're seeing massive differences in what Rob did versus what Tristan tonight again. We're gushing over a page that went two-for-four from the field had seven points in line now, but he's never been a stats guy what I'm saying is he's kind of a ver guy like, he's not making massive impact the point for Rob is he does so month. Plus things that it negates any of the negative things because his pluses are so much more problem the last couple of giving Rob you're not getting the plus performance. He's kind of just they're so because we're not seeing him, you know play Above the Rim catch the lobs, you know, get the ball in his hands and be able to make they make plays and facilitate. He's trying to there was one moment in the game where Jaylen had the ball and Rob's. And rubs, like give me the freaking ball move it, you know, and he did and then he said a screen and it resulted in a 3 so it is the ball stagnating and it's not kind of working. They're not working well with Riley and that first turn it off there. They were looking for him like a week ago and the last couple games since Philly when they weren't able to look for him the last couple of games. I don't think they're looking to him the same way or trying to get him involved in the same way. I mean, I do think again like this goes back to Rob has a couple of bad games and the magnifying glasses on him when you know other other players in that starting lineup have bad wage. Or months. No, but it's not above benching him to demote him. It's about putting him in the best position to succeed and that's what ultimately I found the second but he has proven to be able to succeed played with * 7 and two with him as a starter. So like we gotta kind of start. I know I'm just talking about this Game of Thrones on the other side and it's an issue. It's great that Tristan's contributing in a positive way. That's great. I mean, they you needed a guy who wasn't born yet, right. I'm glad to see it. I mean the guy you know, who knows what he was going to look like after all that time off. He's come back and he looks like he's a player that's you know, kind of going to contribute Choice goes opposite of what he said after was it the last game where he was like the regular season means nothing but accidentally started to hit on this. Yeah, so you have the floor But I mean, that's not what he played by tonight. I've seen that's the thing though. It's the funny thing is he played like the regular season actually did math, you know, like the way that they came back it does. So it was kind of Crazy Jake's room say like, you know the regular, you know, it's harsh it. Well, you know what it is. He got sent to the bench. So it's a different kind of intensity when you get sent down there, right and it's got work his way back took. I mean the the bottom line with with Tristan is that when he gets in the floor he has to make an impact that was really the issue that they had with him in that starting unit. They needed him to defend and rebound at a high level with the other guys on him and he wasn't doing that with any kind of consistency. Rob gives you a X Factor in that starting lineup That teams now have to start game-planning for it's going to open up things. So those other guys and I think defensively down there a better team when robbers out there to be got and honest with you he's going to make chili files. He's going to make mistakes I get that but I like the fact that Rob has that X-Factor him where he can do something else. No one else including Tristan Thompson can do and the other factor in all of this is remember Tricia has had a long-ass layoffs. Do you really want to throw him back out there to cat right off the Jump? Do you really want to throw him right out there to the Wolves off Joel embiid you want to ease his way back into it get him on the floor where he's getting some confidence cuz you're you're going to need Tristan Thompson in the playoffs. I'm convinced of that. He's going to have to have a couple of really a big monster games for you. He needs to be more confident when his game and I think the only way that can happen is you gotta put him in situations where he can build that up. That's what we that's what they did with Rob. That's why he was coming off the bench so he could feel confident now, he's a starter if only everybody can play opposing second unit. Everybody's stats. Are you looking amazing? I mean, there's not if you belong to that second you and your spouse are going to suck we met before we've seen guys who are legit second unit guys, I guess legit second unit guys, and guess what they kind of sucked for sure. And that was kind of the story of the first half is Minnesota's bench. Just took it a Boston's in a big way. Russell Herndon Gomez some of those I think it was like twenty six twelve and half and bench points and they just couldn't get anything going when those bench guys came on the floor and you saw the depth of this team come in the question again. So long that goes back to that notion that who starts really doesn't matter because for once Brad did switch it up after halftime. He didn't stick with the usual rotations Thompson kind of took on that front roll. Rob went to the wrong guy popping with Peyton Pritchard, which is still such a great underrated Duo that I like them to be able to push a little bit when they get the opportunity there. So some of those adjustments I thought this was a pretty strong bad game, you know, he actually moved and did some things in that second half when the first half was absolutely abysmal. I mean would they give up 66 points? So, you know from your standpoint to ride you look at that and you just say this defense has an improved all that much if you're giving up 66 points in a verse half. Right-wing what's up, Just waiting anywhere in the building. Yeah, like like a lot like a lot of hobbies just said but you know what else? I liked. I liked how Brad was like, no you start it's going to figure this out. He started that second-quarter was like listen now, there's a game of town. This is this Minnesota Timberwolves were talking about. All right. I know it together. Yeah, you said it perfectly Sera a couple of nights ago. The the Minnesota Timberwolves like get it together. It's halftime. Now. Let's see if I could come out and then take them went off and that they're Porter. Yeah, maybe maybe Brad did Joe say about what you look like. You're coming from like a like a underground lair like I like it, but I think yeah, it's a good point. Just I mean it almost felt like listen, you know, you guys go out there and fix this, you know, maybe Brad Jones them a little bit, you know go out there and play, you know, they don't they don't like to they don't want to hear what they what they're hearing in the media or wherever else then prove everybody wrong go out there and write this right the same that you guys are crazy. Is Macon everything expect the one thing win games play better, you do those two things with any kind of consistency. You're not going to have any issues that right. Absolutely. So I think the turning by the way, I mean, so I'm amazed that comment or seven killed us for not talking about him yet. But obviously it's it's hard to not talk about Jaylen Brown. I'm just kidding. It's hard to get everyone always gets mad. We don't talk to each other. It's hard. It's hard to not talk about Tatum, obviously because as you said, you know, it was a game. I'm going to say that I'm going to give I'm going to give my Tommy point. I mean my turn off tonight to Kendrick Perkins for calling out Tatum and all of those guys who said that he's got to step up and act like a man. He stepped up and acted like a man tonight. Okay, whatever it is, whether you believe look they told us outright listen to this stuff. Okay good. That's not bad. If that motivates Marcus Smart to play well because he wants to show shove it in people's face or Jayson Tatum to come out here and and drop 53 bath. You're welcome. What are we talking about our new our newest episode Max's like well, how did how did you feel? You know, he mentioned the garden report, you know, and it's nice to hear is Marcus Morris say that I'm like I felt great. I'm like listen now, you have to prove it because Marcus Smart, is that kind of guide? Right? If he's going to say something put himself out there. He's going to make sure he backs it up. So I'm like he's locked in I know at this point moving forward that I don't have to worry about Marcus Smart, but let's see what everyone else going to do it and then it was just at a time starting and even even jail and said it a night ago and then he knows that he's backing up Marcus which means he's here and what what what's being said about him and your great fine the prove me wrong, you you talk about whatever it takes to motivate them great if that's what it is take it is it is a time when it takes you mean those guys should be able to smoke they should be motivated for each other. They should be motivated for themselves. Like it shouldn't matter what the media take cuz they they've never seen this side of Boston though, right? They never seen it though. That's what that's like dead. Hi, everyone is so positive. You know, they've only seen pom-poms Jimmy and between going to Boston so many favorites out of Boston since they were like what you can fax graders or whatever like you said, you know much longer than that, right? I say like, you know compared to those compared to take them around right? They were kids, you know, they're adapting to it. We thought we were born in it. Isn't that what I've been saying is like I was born in this document. You only adopted the darkness. I was born into it. You know, it's not true. That's great. This is that's the funny part or whatever people are like, oh Boston stuff. I'm like they have taken it's so there's no reason to dogs. These guys should have not deserved criticism really because they've been so phenomenal especially at a young age, but you're supposed to Greg's don't do but petition level goes up the older you get and off. That's automatic. So, this is your right guys. It's the first squeeze that they're getting here, you know, well for them, the one thing that I think they haven't really understood is that the floor wage that they have created is so much higher than it is for guys at such a young age because they've been so deep into the place. They've had so much success that they don't really know what it's like to go through tough times to lose games consistently that you should went to have the kind of adversity that 29 other teams have been dealing with forever and a day exhaust over them. All of this is like 4 until they're like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Why why would being criticized because you're five hundred team that people thought would be put continued for a title. That's why yeah, but I'm still again. I need to see them in order to feel good about this this recent years success. You guys start knocking on some of the big dogs, you gotta start kicking ass and the teams that you're not supposed to be eating Minnesota, whether it's by one point or 21 points at the end of the day, it doesn't matter you got the win and I get that off. But what are you going to do against the Phoenix Suns and the Denver Nuggets and the Lakers and the teams that are in a better position to make a d player friend than you are. Are you going to be able to knock some of those teams off? That's when am I going to start wait for the Denver one? Awesome game? You're going to see more against Gordon that can be a big conversation on here and many other places because the Nuggets they're undefeated wage rates and strength Jordan. I think they're seven and oh we're going to have to the conversation, huh? I know morning in in in the Joker are like a super Michael Porter Jr. Man. Don't sleep with him in the West Palm everyone the business you join us is the bubble man. I thought that team would they have been completely rejuvenated by that move and that yeah that my deal get that many. She's got that you've got it. He's got it, you know you guys talk about being the Joker that's another villain right there. I mean, he's a yeah, he's guys. Most I yeah, I think he's got it at this point wage. Um, but yeah, we'll get into that game a little bit now other stuff for tonight, you know, I don't want to get into like the ridiculous odds and ends but like just kind of been a very very different show it could suck different show but I do want to you know, you saw Brad tighten things up rotation wise Pritchard only two minutes in the first half. I thought that was interesting especially with tempeh struggling. He's such a catalyst it surprising. He doesn't play and Romeo in the era Nesmith Memorial dog house after only three performances got a five minute stint went freaking -11 and then he was finishing. I don't know if we're ever going to see them again who got him what that new movie John Russell just had some strange. Yeah, I am been doing both speed. Yeah nods hear back on when when John saw Romeo and the starting lineup. He was walking around grinning ear-to-ear. I like the movie guy got off. He's going to have this season point. I forgot he played tonight. I wish I was I was whistling walking down the street using ready for the keys ready for for apology camps like in a row made somebody framed them. The four-way apology came where I'd be the only one not in one. Wow, I have to do a five wave Marcus Smart tonight to get to get that this early Romeo better go off or twenty something maybe yeah exactly. He's going to have to do a lot of gonna get to 6 before he's dead. He got your six the other night something crazy. Three. Is he hits me double digits double digits. That'll do it John. Yeah your point John. I mean again like you talk about the bench, you know, you didn't really get a whole lot depends. Yeah pensively From the Bench. I'm not take a look down that you want the nineteen. They outscored You by 32 points tonight and impacted Grant credit off amount of Grant Williams minutes during which he does did absolutely nothing. They are not true. Nearly. He plays made a few decent plays in that sort of legit place for on5 when he's out there with Bobby. I thought about going to drop the why I have never yeah, that is not to worry about that. Marinade for Grant does nothing but he did at least two or three. I want you to read me his box score. Okay, he got he I remember one play one play where he just got a recording you made the save. That was fine job. I know. I mean I meant I meant like a bad play really bad because Russell Russell blew right past them like top of the key like yeah, he did. There's nothing I'm not going to blame the three. There's nothing you can do that. It depends is so important for the second unit man. Like he's gotta I mean I get it it's not the easiest matchup but like people buying with ease it was too easy to find out that game-tying Russell three perfect life. There was nothing to do did any other couple of steals he did make I want but it's not going to bash him every night when he does a decent night. I know but it's an insane amount of minutes to to go over 1/2 rebounds and like what do you want nice man? I'm saying he's just so uninvolved, you know, like you're right. He has to make a couple of those gritty hustle plays or do something but you know for every steel there's a oh God grant them just physically dominated on that play by someone on the other team, you know, he can't go up with people. He's not quick on his feet. I mean, he's really not that useful, you know, like I don't know he's dead. That can be though John. That's the thing. Like if he's able to just lock down the you know, the just the pick-and-roll defense if you can handle the switch, you know, that's that changes things dramatically for the Celtics on the defensive end like wage that's like a new one is going to give up way too many points. And unfortunately, I mean he sort of like the one left right out of all the other guys. It's like well, who do you prefer who's going to survive? I didn't want to send me the time he was looking bad early birth. Right and he tried them Brad tried that he puts me in right away cuz it's not the same thing that we've seen with Grant now, he's not he's not giving you much. Give me much choice, but but it's not like they have a ton of options exactly. I mean, you know yet but oh you do know you do now remember when we spend time talking about cornetta's if he was actually back he'll be back. Just get to meet. Okay, here's the thing about Luke. Renee just gives me strong preseason Vibes. I don't like those Vines. I don't want to I don't want to have those lies about us office player in April. It's just not right choice. Right. You mean by that's good enough to make the roster but not quite good enough to play that part. Yep. Not not not. Oh he's going to he's a hell of a shooter. He's a hell of a shoot. I give her butt off of his game. Just kind of makes me want to cringe a little bit at the center position. They're always going to play the match up games. They'll be another game where he's the right fit probably as they should as they should cuz they don't have wage. Big that you can turn to and say that's our guy that's our anchor they're going to have to keep shuffling shuffling a deck at that position. Yeah, this is obligatory. 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I know like I said, we're hard with you focused here. Okay, let's go Jason. Tatum. Everyone gets ten seconds go off just a minute. You're like, let's go. Let's go by saying when you see jokes way. What was the key that they're quarterman? I'm telling you that that's super strange approach and and no one's going to stop me attitude. I mean resonate throughout the throughout the throughout TVGuardian people felt it but it was like it's going to be enough. I mean had to get to that fourth-quarter. What are you up to Europe Seventeen the third time this is still losing. I mean you got the idea of the sense that okay, so probably going to come back in this one, but it was like two rules are still fighting, you know, they're still in it. So again that Superstar approach get the free throw line. He was the only one shooting free throws for the Celtics and that first half the only one know why you know why Joe sway, you know, why because he was going to the freaking Rim that that they were one of the few of the Dead. Like I think three or four. The first four possessions of for the first five possessions, they actually made the ball touched and pain and it was still a close game at that point. But the fact that they were actually looking to get some wage type of action going to the rim opens things up as the game progressed and the player that it opened up things. The most for was Tatum, and that's that's the frustrating thing for me about this team offensively. They had the ability to create more opportunities as a game progresses if they simply attack teams at The Rim open things up for the perimeter guys as the game progresses and she all the wide-open threes you want because you're going to get those as the game progresses if you're attacking the rim and you're not that that's my never-ending frustration with this team is how they can figure out a way to do something. Well attacking a rim and then just say that that was just going to check the reason Doesn't work doesn't work. That's what they were doing. All season long pretty much at least it's felt that way right. Yeah, but Tatum went to the Tatum spent some time going hard to the rim package. I loved it which is now freaking love one of those hits. He almost fell off the court like the shot to the nose and I showed a sad on that that I think it was like sixty 2% of the time you went to the rim last year and now since March 1st, it's up to like 82% and probably went up again tonight a little bit. So I yeah, I love that and again, I know we've been around this we've been talking about this but you know, this isn't the Green Team or mentality of the drawing from the positives. They played like ass they went down 17.8 flipped the script and took an 11-point lead. So there was a lot of good things I gotta not 53 and and and and almost all of it coincided with Tatum absolutely freaking going banana so long This is what you look how many times during the year. I mean even a couple of games ago. We said they get down against Philly and you look around and like who's going to be the alpha. And again, those are one of the that's one of the criticisms that thought that the the TNT crew put on them. They they don't have an alpha Tatum has to be the alpha. We know Jalen is really good and people can debate who they think is the better player and who need It's seems the only guy I mean not the only guy but Tatum's the guy who does this and the guy who did it a lot last year and we just haven't seen it as much but this is what you want. You want to say guys. I'm just a freak. Just give me the freaking ball and let's go and that's what he did and you need those. We just haven't had I haven't had enough of them this year. Hm. Yeah, absolutely and then you get one of your any reminds you. Okay? Okay. Yeah this Thursday. We remember this guy from like right before the bubble number right before the bubble that are that he was on and people were going nuts. This guy this guy's a top-five player in the NBA mean. He's only nineteen years. And all that stuff and 119 for like five years. Damn. Yeah right here. And these guys are you guys are growing up. You know, I mean, they suck. We always we forget how young they are because they have a big role on this team. They're expected to be leaders and it's not easy to just jump into that role at that age. You don't ask that for a lot of the players in the NBA aren't as good as a guy like Tatum is at his age. So they're not asked not looked at the same way and expected the same things from you know, they have got other guys to sort of fall back on, you know, well now it's like Regardless of whose fault it is a lot of the veterans in his on these teams have left, you know or affirming hirie pay with whoever and now it's you've got like Tatum around and still, but you got a tan and brown sort of put into the public Spotlight and expected to be you know, the perfect player, you know on and off the court and you know, I've always it's difficult, but for for, you know team to go out there and put up 53, you know talk to him because it all came in the second half when they were clawing away at that come back and and in overtime they didn't, you know, they could have who knows what could happen and it over time but they kept that for in the gas there and and you know, they closed it out which they haven't been able to do so many times this year in the fourth quarter and they haven't even had them any overtime games this year. But the fourth quarter especially to see them even though they gave up that that lead late, you know, I'm not able to pull it up and over time. True. Yeah and not a night where his passing shine but there were a few plays where great vision from the wing. Skip past to the corners. I think he had a semi from 1 generally and then hit smart from one later down the stretch and those were probably only to assess all night, but they were great looks as though still the issue. It's hard to get it's hard to get on him over the turnovers on a 53-point game. But before he lit it up there was way too much of that sloppy stuff and it's just him just getting caught with no options, you know, and Jaylin does it a ton to which is you know, it's just it's kind of the hero Bowl mentality and then realizing. Oh, I don't have what I want here. And you're just looking around last second to pass. It's yeah, you know, it's there's too much of that. Jalen had five turnovers to walk them all of the starters. I think Campbell had four they were really really sloppy and loose with the ball, but they tightened it up some I mean, I think it was 18 turnovers after 3 and they finished the game with only twenty years. So two more for the entire fourth quarter and overtime so they definitely tighten things up but it was freaking Grizzly, you know, those first three quarters. And again, that's that's another high turnover game for them was it they they weren't quite another one. Yeah another 20. Yeah. I mean when they had a dozen and half time I'm like, well, they're going to hit twenty, you know that halftime 18 after three, you know, but that's another thing that took another thing that started on opening night and just kept running throughout this year and they were so good at it last year. They like a top ten team I think in keeping turnovers down and now they just throw them all over the place and there's a couple different reasons for that but it definitely was driving or you know, our goals I think trust is one of those because they're not they're they're basically when you're on the court and you'll only pass the two other guys limits your options, right? Exactly. But you know, what what Brad Stevens teams used to do and I used to love about those things, even though they were just like a little bit over 500, but they just fought hard and played great defense those games when they wage Compiled 27 28 29 assist, you know shooting close to or over 50% like that used to be enough or at least you could see that as like somewhat of a trend. We haven't seen that a lot them. But when we see it is beautiful, I mean tonight 32 assists. I mean, that's something that if an indication of people really share in the ball, right when you're flirting with those kind of numbers and the assist category on a team like that's something I think that as a testament to depressed even though it seems the past right basically a whole lot of defense and really trust each other on the offense and I just think Brad's room trying so hard to get him this team to have that same sort of Jean moving forward that seems sort of trade Defense is is a big problem for this team and we've talked about it at nauseam this year and we're going to keep talking about it as we continue out the season into the playoffs cuz they just have not shown the ability to Galvanize themselves and put together a series of good defensive games. Most of the Winds. It feels as though they're not necessarily locking teams now, but they're just final score and that's only going to take you so far you're not going to go deep into the playoffs. If you're relying on outscoring teams. The only team that you can look at now that has that kind of as part of life is a Brooklyn Nets against their defense is actually improved significantly from where it was at the start of season. So even they figured out that as potent as they are offensively you what do you think? What do you think it is because they have the guys 3 Hall of Famers over there in Brooklyn, even for those guys like they have to play defense. They have the Personnel sharrod you look at that starting lineup. I mean Walker's the weekly wage. But he's in the right position. Then you have robbed Tatum smart Brown and then other Defenders coming off the bench like everything they had need for the good defense is here. We're back go back go back and who who are these Defenders years speak of coming off the bench and assembly is known as a defender of slime Tristan. Yeah. I like again. It's not offense with those guys. You look at them except for Pritchard and say defense is there thing even not great defense and that switch but that's the problem dear first. Maybe the thing even if it's not great. That's a problem. When you when you when you factor that in with the fact that these guys are young age so you don't have the experience and you have to certain degree not quite that Elite second unit defense that you're accustomed to having and if your starters are having a little bit of slippage know of a sudden you're not a very good team defensively you're struggling to beat teams night in and night out to you that you should handle even if Jason table goes off 453 points. You should win that game by double-digits wage. And regulation I don't I don't care. I don't care if I don't care whether it's the Lakers. I don't care whether you should win that game by double-digits because him having a night that special if you play solid defense not exceptional not great. But solid defense for four quarters win that game by ten points sharrod. It's not just Tatum fifty-four percent from the floor 45% from 3094 to 10:00 from the line on 34 free throw attempts make what does puts out for the second half? Oh my God should you should be winning that game by twenty-five Thirty points with those types of loss of numbers, you know, so you're right that this was a defense defense optional sort of game. I just feel like that's the kind of season that's been as well though. Right like some of these teams like the office is just been ridiculous like team scoring at a young age seen read or we haven't seen and and teams like the Celtics were if you're in the bottom tier of those defensive statistical categories, like you're putting yourself in a terrible position to wage. Night in and night out like like like something's are finding ways. It's like okay tonight. We're we really need this Tatum. We're going to need you to have a career night. Like, you know what? I mean? Like you don't want to be in a situation where you have to find out discover new ways to come back like we've been seeing from this others lot of these companies behind wins. We've said this a few times this year, but as much as they miss hayward's offense, the defense was a major loss. He was a century non-rated. Yeah long guy and that defense from last year and then Taste, of course to which I know John doesn't want it here, but he was a good defender in the system. No, no. No, but what what you're saying is that one of the problems you talk about when you've got the right people to play the defense not necessarily the kind of switchable defense at Brad wants because yeah, you know with theis out there you could do things a little bit differently, but when you've got wrong out there and you've got camp out there, it's not quite the type of Defense even Thompson. Yeah the thread in the Thompson out there too. And when they were running double big, that's not how this defense works. So, yep. Our problems I think for sure and and that's why it's you know, the type of defense that they play the I don't know that the Personnel necessarily suits it. Yeah, it doesn't say it doesn't because wage they don't have the elite level of switch ability that they've had in a bad that's the problem involved and and it's not that they have bad defenses. I don't think the guys they have are bad. They're just not as good as long as they've had before and it magnifies itself the further along we get in the season because we're hoping that guys will just naturally get better and I think it's some respects they are but they're not making the kind of growth that this team needs them to make in order to be in that top for conversation in the Eastern Conference. Yep. We did talk about Marcus Smart being a beast tonight. Here's and we talked about also that will walk in and again it was it was it was something we saw both on the court and even when he went to the bench people are hitting shots. He was losing his mind. He was up here is Marcus here talking about Thursday. His performance and and and and and his kind of mindset when the team was down. Like spread at Hi Marcus. It's just talking about quickly that you said you needed to follow up after the Knicks game in the third quarter. It seemed to me that you were the one to get the guys going. You were making a chemistry plays you made a couple of shots. What did you what was your mental focus in the third quarter back in lose? All right, we wrap it up, right? That's it. Okay, not to let my teeth lose. We'll wrap it up right there ball game, but that's it can be he needs a game Bob give to give the follow-up and we gotta go like really really yeah. We got a lot more. We got a lot more pop than we got off as in that sound again pretty clean, you know pretty clear what the motivation was like down job, but the clips but I think they going to wait a while back. I was perfect. That was perfect. That's not to let my Denali that's it. We all saw in that first. I was like hell no. I am not letting us go down this way. I mean I listen obviously needed his guys Marcus Smart could do it himself, but he will them back to life in that second half. Maybe maybe, you know, we're giving Brad Stevens credit for whatever he did. Ask them maybe Mom. Smart didn't have time to when he was playing certainly had he had every right to and you know, whatever happened, you know stuck in that second half. So again, I said at the beginning of show, but you know all, Marcus Mumford for doing Marcus Smart things. I mean that that's the market smart. That's why that's why people have, you know, put Marcus Smart up on the pedal pedestal that he's on for performances like home like tonight, you know, when he's given those, you know extra effort plays and the you know tenacity is get out there the, you know the excitement you just don't see that with a lot of these other guys on the team and that's why it's wrong hands are drawn to Marcus Smart because he kind of embodies what you know, Boston athlete, you know, a Boston fans want to see out of their athletes. Well, I mean, but yeah and that Jimmy the the way Marcus plays when you start looking teams that actually make deep playoff runs and win championships are in that conversation. You have a market Smart in your roster. You got a guy that does a lot of that gritty grimy in your face get you a job. Dirt under the nails kind of work that doesn't always get appreciate it because it's not the sexiest part of the game. It's not the it's not necessarily the Highlight worthy parts of the game. But when you start breaking down why this team won this game or why they won the series you find yourself keep coming back to those little hustle plays knocking down Big Shots making a deflection getting in a guy's face. Make sure he gets in dead spot defensively. So he doesn't get his ass beat on a backdoor cut little things that I don't think they have done enough of we saw that and then some from Marcus Smart tonight and I I do think that it was off or it was a domino effect. I thought some guys who haven't done a whole lot frankly did a little bit more than they normally do and I think Marcus had a lot to do with that. So the grounds for him and the Celtics is to break it up and keep it moving and spread it out for the rest of the season. They were this this is how you win. This is how you win games special y'all was this is such a special defensive performance and you think about some of these poems He makes it frankly if you guys can make like save that he made under the basket that one Anthony Edwards know what I mean. He stays with him step-for-step. I mean the cabs that ball. He's the only guy I see do that on a regular band. Not only that. I mean he was he was on Towns at times. You know again, this is we always talk about like, you know, I mean look we you know, obviously we we drew Marcus desire for talking about life guarding shift your guards and this and that but I mean, we we're we're there to Heap Praise on him when he goes up against Scion when he goes up against cat and there's times when he's literally defending the center position out there and he's doing his job effectively than what effectively than guys who are much bigger than him so that got about two or three stops on towns. I mean able to do that like shutting down towns when he's when nobody else can is a is a is a thing no guards can do so obviously, that's something Marcus. Does that that not not only know one on the roster can do nobody in the league can do so. Yeah. This was like you said Sherrod Brown When you've got any way of apology can I mean it's not though because we're pretty straight about it. You got good Marcus you got bad markets, that would really describe as the right went bad Marcus rears his head. He does those things that drive you crazy when he plays like this. You're like, yes, this is exactly why you have this huge faction of Boston fans who are like you could never ever ever ever ever trade him because he's the most integral part of a team and when they talk about him as a heartbeat and this one, so this was a classic Corner Market peace. I mean I said that the time when we were talking about trading I'm in Jos way was pretty adamant about not moving on from him to Ikea. Is there by far our best defender plays every position on that end of the floor. So even with your criticism John with the 50 of guards and stuff like that the other stuff out ways that so much I was looking at the numbers. It's a discernable difference there about a 100 for defensive rating since he came back. They were up to like 1:13 and during his absence people differences wage. Now said before after even at the beginning of the year when he was there was like one of those places look at it's also you have to Vector in replacement, you know, like what the you know, they fall off so much when you have to replace a key player because there's no it's the same thing with Kemba campus imperfect but we talked about it last game his value over replacement is so high that they really can't afford lose him either. How many games in a row did they go in back-to-backs losing when Campbell was out. So it's not just Marcus, of course Marcus they need him for the defense, but they need everybody for something cuz they just don't have any depth right now. So they they miss a key piece and they're in they lost Rob one game and we're like, well, they can't win without Rob where like are we you know, like if that's where that's where we are with this team, right? And that's why again, I think that's why I'm Brad Stevens you could tell he was so adamant about like no, I'm not switching. This is hard to figure this out. If we're going to go deep into the playoffs. You have to figure out what's wrong against the Timberwolves way, you know as a birth I know you're right. You guys have to figure out what's going on because if not, then forget it. The rest of the postseason is not even going to happen. You can't figure this out you guys the starting 5 this this starting line. I thought that was a really good call. I really did. Yeah, I mentioned it briefly that I want to get into it. So, you know, everyone's got their agendas Bobby can't wait to yank her out from the starting lineup and put in Tristan off a couple of performances. And you know, we've all got our guys, right? So Temple Walker, I know this seems like I'm setting this up to dog Kemba, but I'm not he has been shooting not that well lately but I love the shooters shoot mentality and I love the fact that he was still taking him late in the game. He made a couple of huge shots late. That being said you went overtime real life that you did six points to 3/4. Yeah. That being said, this was a real this game again. You've got Tatum going off and a bunch of things happening and twenty years. Points from three players on your team and you got Kemba limping along with six. This was a game where you know, my mentions all of Celtics Twitter early and a lot of this chat was that I mean to break down down down down on campus. So what do you guys think about his performance of late and then tonight and again, he was huge in the win, but overall. This is one of those we need more from Tampa sort of games or at least that's how people are going to look at it. So here's my thing with this game. I think the one of the challenges that Kimba is has since he's been in Boston is that because he's been such an elite scorer for so long. We're we're off we're you know, we're introduced by the idea that if he's not scoring he's not helping and yet you look at his numbers. Yeah, nine assists seven rebounds from your 5 foot tennis point guard. That's Russell Westbrook like numbers when you think about it and obviously he's not that guy. Let's not get it twisted as Russell tell you let's not get it twisted. He's not that guy but his stats show that he can bring back. Due to the game, but beyond just being asked or I didn't think he shot the ball particularly well, but as John as you pointed out, he made the shots that they needed when it mattered most and so when I look at his whole body of work by no means a great I still hate the idea that teams are figuring out ways to pick on him defensively and making the Celtics paid for that. They haven't figured out how to really do a better job of masking panel the way they did I says, yeah, but I will say this camera at least figured out ways to help this team be successful when his shot wasn't going down. Yep, right? No, I think I think that those two reporters go such a long wait, we're talking about Kemba Walker to get that fourth-quarter threat. I mean we talked about it actually know what we did what we did but it was a locker room. I remember we talked about a little bit I said how long she that can be in the playoffs that have someone like that in the fourth quarter when you least expect it because templates even when Kimball was Kemba, you know, you know for chlorous acid and he had so many games where he would go with two for 10 for 3 a.m. First three quarters and then go off in that fourth quarter when your team needed it most you know for the Charlotte Hornets. He was the top option. He was the guy that had to grind them to his his team out of Victories. But on this page is different. He's got a couple of really good options and Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown and that's a great third option to have for Eastern Conference teams competing in the playoffs and and someone who's been in the league for you know, ten years. Now off again, you know, it's not ideal. You don't want to see them do this all the time. You don't want to shoot, you know closer to 30% every night and say, oh, well, you hit that big three down the stretch, but it's still comforting to see him back down from that moment. I don't care if it's a symbol don't care. What what what's in the playing against the three-point game tie game or down by 3 and you're still confident to take that three-pointer. I mean, that's that's a huge addition to have down the stretch for this self-esteem, especially this team that's so thin you know in the sense of humor. I know but when people are where people are, you know, again, the comments are thirty-seven Million Dead Role player, you know you need more from from from this guy like the closer. I think you have I think everyone has to throw salary out the window because it doesn't change you have to look at whether cock-blocker helps you or not. Because the money isn't get that's the money he makes okay. Is he worth it? No, would you sign him to that deal today? Of course not but you can't bring that up because you don't he's off to play like a 37 million dollar a year player. It just isn't going to happen. So you have to determine is he giving you value or not for Boston fans look at it as when when when the Red Sox went out need in order to keep folks give him all that money, you know, they need a closer. He's your closer. All right come with your closer this enjoy it like I still I still I still think when 48 comes back considering wage and cabin with that second unit is not the worst option. That's just me. We don't see paying though. I don't know Brad Brad like Spain, but I don't think he's so confident enough because we just we paid job. Event. I don't know. Maybe I'm too looking to I mean I look into deep into it. But I just think because pain is just not he's strictly a secondary point guard. It's tough. I mean unless you're talking about Marcus in there with four years are not interchangeable. They're not but as I said about Kemba, it doesn't matter that he makes money just play him in the role that you want to play am in and whatever that is is what it is. Like there's no reason to say $37,000 role-player if that's the case. That's the case Okay. So be it happens all the time and the young guys who just don't end up deserving that money any more per se and you know, you gotta just and even though you're wildly overpaid for a lesser role. What are you going to do? Keep your regular job site sucks. Yeah. Well you you don't hear anything said when you got guys who like Donovan Mitchell who burst on the scene and on that rookie scale contract for like, you know, a couple of years who are clearly outperforming their contract and you don't hear this this month. Oh my God, he needs to be paid more money. You know that money is going to come in to me. It's more it always balances out guys who are exceptional players are going to be under paid at the start of their careers over paid at the end. Yeah at the end of the day it balances out. It's nice when they actually make what they deserve to and they almost never happens almost never have her hands. But yes, I think it just drives us fans crazy because it's like man kembo this guy fell technically pretty much phone for the services while he's just under Thirty. He you know, he had enough experience. He's a perennial All-Star and then it's like well, wait a minute now the issue starting to stack of now, you're not seeing them up there now. It's up to spend all the way. It makes sense. Yeah, you know, he's never been injured like how could this is go out and do this like you didn't feel that way two years ago. I'm not saying there's no reason for anybody to keep harping on the deal. It is what it is. Everybody fluttering everybody thought it was a good idea then it doesn't seem like it now. So at this point how long Get the most out of Kemba is he is he is he is he performing as he is he doing a service for you and you're right whether it's closing but it's like this is like he was always undersized didn't just happen often, you know, it sounds like adding these new things as to why companies to go or not anymore. This was a mistake. It's like no, right. So I do want to tell people here again. This is the last time I will mention it. But again as we've gone doing we're going to head over to lock room shortly sharrod and I are going to trickle over and the other guys are going to come, you know, a little while later. They're going to put a bow on this show. We're going to talk about a few more things that we have TWP to talk about on the Celtics postgame overtime show unlocked our room. 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We open the app again if it do it once or twice, I guarantee it will work. But that's what it is. Don't just leave it quit the app altogether restart it jump on there and you will be good guys before we leave it just want to kind of go once around the horn anything else. We left over from this game. And you know what we are going to talk about in locker room and what I'm going to tee up for Sharad here is we've talked a little bit about Karl Anthony towns his value wage. Type of player he is whether he would fit here whether you would want him here or some other over it's over some other current Celtics right now and you you don't have to use too much imagination to figure out who I am talking about. That's something we've discussed you watch towns tonight. We got to see it. We're going to have that conversation over on locker room. So we are interested in your thoughts guys. Anything else non towns related. We're saving that for the locker room that true. I'm good. Yeah. I'm just I'm just happy they found a way to win this game. I mean, it wasn't pretty it was a win. But by no means in my like ready to to, you know, get the duck boats ready and warmed up cuz they did what they're supposed to do. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do when they hit the road and they play better teams on the road. Can they figure out ways phone navigate victories in that setting? That's what I'm looking forward to quiet if twenty-six ever denied from Jaylen Brown and I get the more you look at those games where he's a sneaky 7 to 10 in that first half. Now's the deficit they were hanging around like 12 to 9 where they should have probably been down 24 most of that first half Brown smelled in a quiet underrated way and they ended up having a quiet Second Life erina Tatum ended up working out in their favor, but his first half was quietly important as maybe the biggest reason they didn't just slide completely out of this game along with smarts third-quarter off. He was awesome tonight in a way. He probably won't get enough credit for and he's starting to build. I know he said a couple of days ago that his knee feels almost completely better. He's starting to build a little run here. It's similar to his efficiency from early in the C's and not quite that insane mid-range efficiency that we saw then but he had a couple of nice breakout pull up to pull Up 3 in transition his transition at this point. If this team can get moving a little more that's why I was screaming at early in this game on Minnesota was sprinting up the four Celtics still, you know Cog along at that slow pace that doesn't allow them wage. The most out of brown and when they speed it up get stops. He's almost Unstoppable and that was huge for them and that second quarter. Yeah, my my thing. Number that video like fifteen years ago leave Britney Alone that kid screaming into the camera Leave Britney Alone. That's what I'm saying about Kemba Walker to John leave Kemba alone. Okay, leave him a this is a shout out to John does. This is Lee Campbell John is we're almost to the Finish Line. I think there's twenty games left when those finally conclude. And Kemba is not in an ambulance or pile. John's Prep kids. Don't stay in Johnson. Every other week. Every two weeks John's like I have a prediction. I think Kemba is going to be out. I think he's going to take a rest. I think he's going to call it a Caesar off John's like I'm I'm ready for this. Well, this was the plan all along the next two weeks. You still waiting for that to happen. I don't think it happens. But listen, I didn't get a chance to talk about, but I will say I mean, I thought Chicago nailed it on the head with his stat line. I mean, he's finding ways to do other things. I mean people are so quick to jump on him because they say he doesn't get the Jays going or you know, he's a one-dimensional player home. Doing a bunch of different things, you know the fact that he could grab seven boards and dish out nine assists on a night where a shot wasn't falling, you know, the way we're typically might, you know good on him, you know, and and when there's a player going off tonight, like like off in the second-half, you're going to get kind of got out step back and let him do his thing a little bit and that's like the mark of a player that understands the situation. You know, if Kemba Walker just was out looking to get his and we're all going to crash tonight for you know, taking shots that you know, that Tatum should have been taken her or whatnot. So I'm not really worried about Campbell. I like what he brings to the team. I love his leadership. I love his personality. I think that he's a guy that can maybe get get the some of the guys out of the doldrums when they're in them sometimes so, you know put on him the other thing I'll say about this game and the last name games they want four out of five. Now, they're beating teams that they're supposed to be. They might be making it interesting but you know, the only game they've lost the Sixers and they lost in a big way very interested to see. Yep. What happens out west because what I the mark of a good team is, you know, beating other good teams. It's not beating the bad teams, but teams that they're going to they're going to have to be not necessarily out west to get in the playoffs but that that wage level of competitiveness. So that's you know, when I'll really start to, you know, get excited for what we're seeing up there before anyone else jumps in sharat. I should let you know. You should have a link already you can walk into that room right now. Just make sure you can hear it. I'm going to head over there right now and I'm a handed off to the kids. The old guys are going to go over to to the new technology and we're going to talk to you guys on locker room. That's right. The boomers are heading out. I will still getting will still get into locker room before you guys but I'm tired again a kid here. She'll run off. I hate you but I'll ask everybody here. Go ahead on everybody. Let's have what I'm saying. There's a God are you going there's a tweet? Here's That sent out on Celtics Twitter each you guys retweeted to your followers. Everyone will see it. I'm heading out your odds heading out. We're going to leave it to the Jimmy Johnson and Bobby show and we will see you guys on a game, of course on Sunday, but we're heading over to locker room now. So anyone wants to chat with us head over guys take it away. Wow, and we lost Bobby. What is Bobby doing? I need Bobby. We now I can't hear your jokes way cuz of all this back and forth. Hold on. I got to reset my I had no, I don't know state championship me all this noise because Choice back there when he wasn't speaking. I'm taking off guys will see you guys just being these back welcome in guys back back. I didn't prepare. I'll be honest. I didn't prepare for Thursday 2nd Samuel. Oh, what? What the fuck Jimmy? Whoa, just wait. Why don't you why don't you tell us what you got going on over there your game still suck jpp was unedited man, you know, they're doing The Ripping up the court. It's funny. I swear they used to do this. A lot of hockey games are out there man. I think I think we used to motivate them to me. I think us being on the football team. I bet we can ruin a report we get this done quicker. All right said it's a Race Against Time for sure. They are ripping a group of the quarter part. So we used to start our show on the opposite of the core of when the Bulls And would take out to take down the court for the hockey and watch as the court was disappearing in front of us and it would be yeah, it would be a race. There you go. Yeah. Wow, they got the bright. Oh, yeah, Park. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're almost at the logo. They're out there. That's the free throw line one site. We've had some we've had some old videos where like they're they're going to buy the camera with like they're, you know, they need the cord and everything like that. You can see the court disappearing in the background as you're talking the days man. I wonder if we'll ever get back on the court again. Jeez. I know man Bobby you made your debut. I remember it was with me that first time you're on the court remember that game forever to cuz it was it was an early lesson in Jayson Tatum's Korea where Kelly Olynyk honestly took him to school on the defensive end of the floor and scored like 20,000 funny to look back on many any questions in the in the chat here before we have let's take some questions. I got you guys already. I have already we're ready cuz barbecue picky with the questions. So from Mamma Tatum. All right, I'll I'll say this and then you get the question radio actual actual actual moment a damn. I forgot to mention this earlier about 20 minutes ago. All right. So this is on Twitter. She goes we don't want none of that fake love keep the same energy. Y'all had a few days ago. You'll know who y'all are hashtag. Always his biggest fan at Jason Tunes. Lot of stuff a lot of people asking about what we're going to talk about on Locker. I mean Bobby didn't even listen to you. I heard I'm just doing my job over here that is you know, trying to push this too busy. If it's if it's not a good question cuz Mom's going to always have Mom's going to always have her son's back. So, you know, I am not no problems with what she said, you know, I don't have any problem with it, but I'm really trying to sleep. I don't know does probably tell you maybe what what Tatum thinks too though. Is it a yellow peek inside of his mind when you hear his mom hears Mom. It's a good thing something else. Every question. Should we trade Brown? Should we trade Kemba Bobby? That's why Mama Tatum said what she said you see what you guys are doing a moment item. No one knows them. All right, fine. Gary Tanguay might be trying to trade soon. But other than that, I don't know. Nobody Mark know I'd rather trade painting than brown, which I guess that might be a point if you have to trade one of them. But I don't I still don't think you have to under any circumstance and we'll get to that in the locker room. Whatever. I'll throw this up now and we'll just we send this real quick. Yeah. So we're going to talk about this on the locker room. And Jimmy is T's this quite a bit like the ones used at first. Well, he he threw it out there as a possibility. Yeah and off and you know, you can kind of read between the lines cuz he said bills perfectly happy in Washington, but I think a marquee player is going to come up this summer which which is interesting cuz he got his guy there and Russell but things just have not worked out there or soda I saw a cat becomes available will be enticing we look at his last twelve games. I I didn't move in tonight, but he was averaging 30 points 12.4 rebounds 4.5 assess shooting like 43% from 3. It's just absurd with this guy can do on the offensive end of the floor and it's not even just posting up every time you see the high screen action. Hi post action that he delivers out. It's just unmatched for a center in the NBA to have the offensive Arsenal that he does but I look at the defense you're going to be on the court giving up 146 in a game and they've done this a couple of times this week. Now that like 27th and defense and he's been there most of this year. He's just not the kind of defensive. Anchor you want at the center position. If you're going to be playing your Center 44 minutes, and I don't think it's value that all that much do they? Well, I was trying out there out there to go grab that next alcohol's I believe that that's why I can sort of a tortured was real deal Defender. Yeah, that's true. I just meant more on the offensive side of things. But yeah, I just I mean you don't have to have them. It's ready to give up brown exact. I don't know if it's willing to do that. Especially right now, you know, I think you go to right now. The answer is probably no I think you know when when trade talks like that start to come up. Usually there's something wrong with your team. You're not looking to blow up a successful Celtics team, but if they struggle to end the year if they're wondering if they're out in the first round and their looks like there's a disconnect that's when these rumors start to creep in whether you like to hear them or not and and they might just be that day might just be rumors or like oh, well he's available. Maybe he'll fit. You know, you don't hear that when things are going great. That's why this month. The deadline was so you know aggressive in like the rumors and you know, maybe this players available maybe this players on the block or you know, Danny's on the phone with this team like that happens to teams that aren't long and and that might be the case as to if cat becomes available. I guarantee you Danny Ainge will pick up the phone not because he's trying to actively trade Janet Brown and he didn't but it's his job wage doctor to see what the asking price is and what's out there and what's going on and if there's a fit if there's a you know, he thinks is a good fit or a good ask price for it. You may consider. I mean, you can't deny cats talent show me what a lot of people deny is is maybe by the correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a lot of people out there that may be that it's a is it a maturity thing or is it it's makeup. Yeah. Yeah, some people some people call them out on their own name is Jim as much and all that. Yeah, so maybe that's somebody the type of player that you wouldn't want to come here, you know, it was to you know, sort of right right the ship here. I don't know if that's the type of player that would be able to do. Or maybe he just needs a change of scenery cuz so many players have you know know you guys for sure gone on to other organizations and they've thrived there. So yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's got to be very tough for him going through Thursday. I'm just talking about on the court off the court as a complete different store. We know difficult the last year of his life has been but on the court just just you know struggle the way the team has struggled over the last month, you know, I'm sure he's looking to you know, bring the Timberwolves to you know, the playoffs and going it running. It just doesn't seem like that's happening. But anyways, we're going to talk about you guys aren't over their head on over there because I know John Estrada are are holding it down at least trying no, I want to do this. I'm going to talk. I want to pack up my stuff here and I'm going to kick it for the for the Uber ride, right? I'm in right now with you know, you guys do it. So it's a long ride right guys, you know, it's you guys you guys just weren't bringing it with the questions here. So I'm challenging you to bring even better ones a little log. Because it just you just not cutting it on maybe all the good ones went over the locker room. And right now they can call you out on locker room to you know, get on, you know, they can get off the microphone and call you out on stuff too. So download that after the 2 seconds you throw in an email you turn the password and your yeah, there's a there's a lot of other like celebrities and you know organizations jumping on. I mean, I I jumped on yesterday just to see what's going on tackle fall was was unlock or I'm not in our not your locker. We got to figure out why it wasn't we we have the most locker room that we at the most popular locker room. They be when history back and we can't get Taco on I mean come on. You gotta start working on that really good point. I was was unlock her room yesterday too. So people are starting to jump on their. Yeah. We had more than bill. By the way. We did almost twice as much we're counting but we did no big deal. We all feel Android people's Pig. Did have a good Saturday. We'll see y'all Sunday. It's amazing. I'll say this for the Android people. We have two streams Garden report stream on pot. Anyway, you get your podcast. That'll be this show from here on out. We also have a Celtics post game show stream that's going to be our locker room conversation from here on out. So if you're an Android, they're figuring out quickly. 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What's next for Celtics after Kemba Walker?

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What's next for Celtics after Kemba Walker?

"If he's a little orange, he's got a good that's a tiny machine just by us and them right now. Yeah, we're happy. All right, you got that seal on secure. Now. Look what you did. Now, he's walking you home in a white t screen Jimmy's always Ami wrote the blurriness Jimmy's Trump's and going we're live with the garlic actually from Tennessee Nashville, officially, I believe we got bad news and be Seasons under way that we had a lot of offseason fun offseason additions of the garden report a ton of stuff went down obviously and there's still a ton of things going on with the Celtics off the season kind of sort of began and it's I mean, it's it's on I mean, they've announced upcoming opponents will talk about that a little bit training camp. So to speak a really really short one the teams reporting they're practicing we've got massive Celtics news media day. We've heard from a bunch of players refer from Danny Ainge. We've heard from Beth Stephens. We are however going to begin with some brake pads. News first. I want to tell people about our sponsor manscape 20% off free shipping with the code Garden 20 at manscaped.com 20% off free shipping with the code Garden 20,000 skip.com Jimmy Toscano Joseph A pavane Bobby Manning and a little bit of breaking news will just hit it right off the top John Wall. For Russell Westbrook blockbuster trade right out of the gate and reaction from this before we get to the Celtics go nothing guys. You guys said nothing about this one. Hey Joseph you the leadoff, you know. Oh man, I love this story. I love this big time because I want to see how ja Wohl can do in a new setting and I also of course want to see if Russell Westbrook actually put a put it together. Of course last season was I'm not going to call it a final disaster, but let's call it what it was. It was a flat-out disaster. I mean, there's no other way to put it I mean Houston they needed a change and I think it was going to be really difficult for them or at least thought it was going to be difficult for them to find another team to take on Westbrook at least his early they found the the Washington Wizards. I guess we should have seen this one coming so to speak but the same time for the Wizards or humid here the Rockets named John Wall, you know James Harden can this to be can this happen? You know, are we going to see uh, a replica of what we saw this past season or are they going to be able to put it together? I don't know. What do you guys? I love it. I like their tickets. So I'm weary of the Rockets going into the season trying to go for it. Cuz what are you going for the 8th seed I get you don't have your first round pick for a bunch of years. Now with this disastrous Westbrook trade going to go down as one of the worst trades of all the time acquiring him for a bevy at first. I don't know what they're going for here. It's either them of the Warriors is the 8th seed, I guess at the bottom of that conference. I say you just dumped off all this Talent a young one just dumb pardon that you gotta get the right trade for him certainly, but getting whispered off like this and acquiring another first. I got two fish from Portland for Robert Covington. They're off to a good start. They are Christian would who's a great young player DeMarcus Cousins is going to try to Rebrand himself there. So I guess they start the season try to get something from wall try to get something from thousands. What hard to do is something and they'll be exciting again until they find that right trade for heart and they're no rush on that what's walls injury status right now, so he must a year-and-half with yep. How was he raised about? Yeah, he started training camp for the wizard yesterday. Despite the bad player. I I prefer wall over over off Brooke 10 to 1 here again. You don't know diminished version of himself and he's got issues as well. I'm just so down on West Broad have been for years. I just think he's a detriment to your team. It becomes the Russell Westbrook show. He only knows how to play one way. He's not good enough at other things to be a complimentary player. He can't just spoke up and shoo to do whatever he has to have the ball. He has to attack he has to take bad shots because that's the only way he knows how to play. I don't know what he does for any team. I think this is a kind of you take you did. Not start I take your star will see if the new scenery makes it better for both parties, but shoulder-shrug. I don't know if it's going to work. Yeah, I feel that way too. I mean Rockets got a first on pick out of it whether or not it's going to be worth much. Who knows but I mean watching Russell Westbrook in the bubble in the playoffs. I mean if you guys watch but I'm sure you did because we were all watching every bubble game. I mean he was way out of sorts. I mean I couldn't believe this guy was like the biggest liability on the court turning the ball over left and right couldn't even walk you through when it mattered and it was just so obvious that he was overthinking or just wasn't comfortable out there. I don't know exactly why so I wasn't surprised to see that. He wanted a change of scenery too bad the way things just kind of ended up for John Wall and Washington it seemed like, you know, obviously it's such a promising start to his career and then injuries kind of took over and I guess that the ten, you know his tenure there will probably be you know, seeing as you know, what could have been sort of thing because it was it was it was his team. That was Bradley Beal's, you know, yeah, I mean it by default I think Bradley Beal just took it over. No, I think that was easy because Java just couldn't stay on the court. So I mean, I'm I'm pumped a few gentle. I'll play again. I I hope that he's healthy. I hope that he can you know form a good, you know, if if Harden stays with the team, hopefully, you know, they can form a nice one-two punch there. But I mean the Rockets will be fun to watch to an extent but they're the Rockets they're destined to lose, you know in the playoffs like they like they always do it doesn't really matter who they trade for. Just yeah, you just want to tackle them when he's on the court even possible to watch. Anyway, we're just hit this because it's breaking news. It's not our intention to talk about it. We have a ton of stuff to talk about Celtics related. I guess it's a coin flip to me between continuing to break down the Hayward situation or Kemba just campus real the Hayward situation continues to be intriguing to me and obviously write down with Hayward. He's not down a little bit. A new news with the we're not only re not done. I'd be suspended in the majority of the program on it. But yeah, right says the guy who's going to be saying the most Hayward stuff at some point in the show. It will come back word always done it let's get into Kemba. We've got you know, like my news eat. So we're getting to Kimbo. I don't know how to so I don't know what the vibe is out of touch with people. I don't like want to be an alarmist or a you know, Mister, you know WebMD Google, you know, you know WebMD dock at home, but like yo try paging spoke today and that he's amazingly sunny and positive about everything and he just talked about it like, oh it's a setback. Brad said the same thing. Oh, you know, it's just strengthening if they need the season was starting in January would be fine. You guys might not even know about this. No big deal. That's not how I see this. We've got a guy who once again, you know after a four-month window. In the bubble by before the bubble started had issues. As soon as we started playing basketball again now here we are as training camps about to begin and it's oh, yeah. No, he's not even close to playing basketball again. The knee is obviously a real issue Brad Stevens set it on one of our podcasts on C L & S media last week. He's not going to be ready that was kind of a little precursor to this 12-week stem cell injection in the wrong almost every kind of Twitter doctor out there and Jessie who you know, just I talked to you know. Jess Flynn from Boston Sports Journal. She said the same thing this is she's been saying it forever. This is Jose is hritik condition more likely than not this stuff doesn't necessarily get better. You may be able to kind of fight it off a little bit. But my fear here is there's no guarantee. This gets better ever, you know, like it might be okay best case scenario I think is management over a period of time with him missing. Some games minutes restrictions x y and z e And you hope you get through a season but he might have to sit a whole bunch of games worst-case back and it's like no it's still sucks. It hurts. Like hell I can't play that's bad. I mean, but of course telling them and Danny Ainge had in the whole thing guys was asked about whether it's a long-term concern. He said this year is going to determine a lot of that. Yeah, that's terrifying from Danny Ainge who's really going to say like, it's totally nothing rub some dirt on and I'll be back out there in two weeks. So around the horn Joe sway your thoughts here on hearing the news in your level of concern with Kemba know you just you just nailed it with the young age call cuz I thought best it out as well because I think it's it's really telling I think it was really honest that they need to say, let's face it. I mean it's not going to get any better. That's exactly what this injection is. I mean, it's to boil it down. It's it's how is Kevin going to live with this now? How can you manage this page? Can you you know, are you as mobile as you are throughout the whole season? If so, you know, that's going to be a bad thing as he's dead. Even if you look in the postseason, he doesn't want to feel like that again. He doesn't want to be able to or have to play with that level of pain. So I think that's what this shot is is necessarily is Ken Kimberly with this. How can he managed his office the next 8 to 12 weeks I think is going to be that's the goal. How can Kim would be most comfortable with this pain? And then let's just shoot for it through the end of the season go to the postseason and let's stretch it out. But at the same time though a limited, I don't think you see a full strength gumbo out their second night of back-to-backs, you know, those type of stretches forget it that that's that's out of the question for the Celtics team to see what they're still going down there were going for it and walk I would have been going through surgery or they would have been taking a another another road another step here. They're going for it here guys think a lot of this has to do also with you know, he's going to I'm going to respond and how the teams going to look like without him how strong can this team be, you know, that first month of the Season without Kemba Walker and they tell me so they can be solid without him. They've done it before they plug in pieces off. I don't want to go for that yet cuz we're going to get no. No, I'm just saying I'm gonna be that later. But yeah, I'm talking about friggin who's backing them up right now. I'm going to get too depressed to finish the hour. Let me ask you Bobby James at today. What what what what what did you get off of it? Did you feel any better listening to him talking today? Yeah. The key thing for me is he's going to take his time as he did, but I remember in the bubble believable. He was no it's a totally different company yesterday. Sure. That was Sherry optimism is the show John but the biggest difference I see between the bubble and yet today he is going to take his time. He's not pushing it back. He said he's excited or relax take it easy and that's what the brake wage before the bubble by the way, but okay. Well, I'm just saying when he gets back from the bubble like that was for it. It didn't work. It was a it was a it was a quote that we had between games dead. Four months. Well, it's pretty clear that he was doing something during that time. They must have aggravated got it fired up again some amount of training and this is this is this is what I'm talking about. He was pushing to get back when the bubble comes up and then they taken him out of playoff games Trying to minimize those minutes and he looked frustrated now, he's willing to take the time he's willing to do what it takes to get back out there. I thought there was some level of frustration in the bubble over the summer. Go ahead. Okay, so everything is awesome. And you know, Bobby's I'm just saying he's got a guy named to the approach now. Yeah, Bobby's fine because Kemba Walker going to take his time and he's gonna like slowly come back and we're going to be talking about wins. Kemba Walker going to be playful is going to be February. So we talking about it is what the Celtics do with injuries. They kind of string you along and kind of tell you exactly what's going on. You can you can just didn't work there on the bubble. Did the plan work or Not Dead? No, I didn't it worked he was season. Bobby are you are you serious? Right now? I mean after he killed silly had a good series against Toronto overall it tapered out at the end, but she they got him back to playing at a higher level people were dogging him against the Raptors and people were dogging him against my against the Heat. He had a good series against overstating how good he was in the in the playoffs and the bubble. I think he was fine and then he was dead. We cannot go good. Yeah, we all say it doesn't look like camp out there something or something. So he was a fish and he was one-on-one off. He had a game where he he took seven shots. He wasn't even getting involved in another where he you know, the series he played well, he was one-on-one off. It wasn't consistent there. And then he was just his efficiency went out the window. He couldn't do anything. He normally does and that's exactly what they leaned on especially in the in the fourth quarter will get more into this later because I never going to talk about how this team is going to, you know, try to survive without him, but that's a huge loss. And I think that that's when his his play was was most wage. Magnified throughout the postseason was within the fourth quarter when they really needed those buckets. He wasn't there was a couple of turnovers, you know, defensively. He just wasn't himself. And I'm knocking him for the effort and I you know, I give him all the credit in the world for wind up playing coming back when you did but I think he even I think the subject of said it he pretty much said it he wasn't himself they may have screwed up by rushing him back. So yeah, of course they're going to they're going to go slowly here. But when you're talking about, you know degenerative knee issue or or whatever it is. It's going on. It's not a there's no way to paint is a good thing. It's not a good it's a good thing I'm saying if there's not a you know, it's a relative, you know, Mary that's a Hail Mary relatively new in in the in the grand scheme. Not modern-day tentatively something that works. It's something that can certainly alleviate pain over time. But we're talking about your average Joe. I think for the most part. I mean, you know, Joel Palmer, you know gets, you know, you know a needle, you know, it is near whatever e he's not, you know, playing basketball, you know, a hundred miles an hour against the best players in the world that pain could probably come back a lot sooner for a guy like dead. Kemba Walker stay the top level. So it's a little traveling to meet for me to hear that now. I'm not going to say it's not going to work. What the hell do I know it might work? It might make his knee less painful enough where he can be ninety 95% you know the way he was and that's great. You know, it's not something that you need you need to work for the next twenty years. You need to work for the next example of years for him to finish out his career at a high level. So I thought maybe in that sense it works but it is troubling because you see like, you know, like, you know Kobe Bryant rest in peace, you know, he had the stem cell. I think I saw I saw had this stem cell on there's been other athletes in a sports. I know era did it, you know, these guys are going to Germany for this stuff. So I don't even know how intense is is compared to those but I know that there is a you know a long process before you start to feel the pain and you know, hopefully it does work with the Celtics are clearly going to need this guy. Well, let's let's be clear it's and I do think I don't know and again, that's why I don't want to be alarmist and gloom and doom with it, but I am off. Fry's the amount of people are like, oh, it's just January. That's not what they said. No, it's not what they said. Even if they said in January they will assess his situation. That means nothing you know, like there is no in a perfect world by January. He starts to do basketball-related activities ramps it up and comes back and are you are you guys truly worried about him without him in January though? I mean what the front Omar January? It's not whether it's not how long they're without him when you get to January what I'm saying is nothing is certain here when you get to January, you might discover that that, and it's what the hell is Plan B and we're all apparently the Celtics are all about plan B's this year long. That's you're in you're stuck in that spot, which is like oh crap. Now what so like I said is this is a bit of a Hail Mary. It may work. It may not it may do just enough to get them through. This year and then you kind of start the process over and see what happens beyond that. It may not be good at all. You know. We don't know if I'm breastfeeding. I'm going into the season as if Kemba Walker's out for the entire year. I mean that has to be your approach that happy the mentality for this team because if you're leaning on a comes back from Gamba, that's a really risky place to be especially with these young guys. You know, we all know we talked about it over and over last year, you know the existing any more the top teams out there one of the youngest just got the younger with all these guys that came on board know, you know, Gordon Hayward a better in us off the books off the team, you know talk about his by a couple of or at least three brand-new Ricky's so the scene just gets really younger and they have them they have to figure this out. They have to figure out how they make up for that product again. I talked about fourth quarter production that's going to be a void that they need to fill, you know off for general, you know for the people who are crazy about the smart Marcus Barnes got to take on that new role again that we saw throughout the postseason in between him jail and and and and Tatum as a whole lot of getting used to wage. Need to figure out I think that's really most important for this team heading into the season those how did this happen? Like, you know, right. I know that like, I mean, I don't want to be the why didn't any know but like how does a guy come here and within a few months he has a degenerative knee problem three knee surgeries and Charlotte's I know but it's like two bucks. Did they did they? Skip the Medicals? You know what I mean? It's like oh, you know, I feel like it's one of those things where like, you know, you have a car. I know we had six surgeries fine, you know, you put a bunch of miles on it all of a sudden one thing leads to another sort of what happened here, you know come but of course, I didn't have a lot of deep playoff runs with the Charlotte Hornets. We play a lot of games. He rarely missed games, you know, he's an iron a bad today too. Yeah. I know you guys an undersized guard who's in his thirties or now approaching a 30,000 his thirties, you know, there's a lot of miles on those a lot last year too when you think about it. He had Team USA. He had the entire regular season played seconds or minutes in the All-Star game. Like he said he sign he had Taking a break. Yeah, so that's another Factor. You have to consider because that's where the whole four months break that we had. Everybody needed that well-off often. They have stuff to listen. I'm glad that he's going to be in rehab at least with the Celtics trainers and doctors and that whole thing cuz I don't know what the hell what happened. What the hell happened when I am in a bubble. I don't know. It's like the Wild Wild West everyone which is doing the wrong. I remember it worked out in the room before I guess. I don't know. I was hoping Grant Wood shed some light on that interview with had with them but he didn't get into it. So I know what happened there in Charlotte over that break there and I'm not gonna aggravated. They're those guys are just hanging around. No, I'm not saying he hurt himself or aggravated it but if you're not doing something to help it as they are now, then you're kind of just in the same place you were in February if you know what I mean, like they had to be a plan that had to be a program once they got back to Boston and then got into the bubble bath. They put them on a plan to actually seemed to work. And again, I'm not saying it's a good thing. He has a knee condition. I'm not saying he can get back to being are all star form. What I'm saying is you live with it. Now, they need to get on something else and try to get the best camera that you can at this point. And if you get something similar to what he played at and at its highest level in the playoffs, it still looks like an extremely helpful player. Now, you're going to get into a job. He worth Thirty million dollars Bubba Bubba blah. It doesn't matter. He's here you'd rather have them than not and even if he did trade him and I propose. Yeah as you say you really we're really lowering our expectations. I know that's what you do. I mean, it's a we talked about this the other day something going on man you went from I mean again wage went from two seasons ago having so much talent. He didn't know what to do with this team like mr. One step back now we're talking you're not supposed to take steps back off. Like you want to trade Hayward trade combo 1 second step forward. I wanted to trade Kemba. You don't just trade, for nothing know you if you were going to change package deal before this news. That's my step. Let's reassess here. Let's rebuild on the Fly get rid of the stuff. That's not going to work for you. Like Kemba might not work for you now. I mean, we're not we're not in it for he'll be fine. This was supposed to be a star you pay them a star contract. This is going to be the third guy. You've given huge bucks to talk to come here and underperform their contracts. Okay, and Al was fine. We can debate whether he's worth the money or not. I'm actually more in Alpha than than not but statistically you got thought you got off of him. Gordon Hayward was a bust capital B, and we're not going to get into that later. Now, you've got reduced expectations from year two of the four year deal with Kemba Walker. That's terrible Bobby. They got a great first season out of them gets out of his second. He was part of the first thing you got a great last season. Gordon, right? He fell apart pretty badly at the end there for sure. But right up until the middle portion a second round ever pulls it together and then exercises player option and leaves off to spend two years getting injections in his knee and he's going to have a great last two months of his third year and then we can see you know, that helped his knees in the NBA just in 30 30 million somewhere else. Well, it seems that it seems now if he gets in the right free agency class, I'll get it even if he has any issues way. Hey, we went I don't know I got this isn't a great situation. I'm just saying they're in a good place to make it worse get into place here in a good place to make it worse Bobby not in a good place to make it work my God. I saw somebody I saw a reputable member of the Celtics media today suggests Jeff. You can grant Williams start for this team. What are we doing here, you know like, you know, if one of them left there if that's on the table, we're not in a good place Bobby Chez. You still have Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown NBA off and Tatum flag this whole time I'm with you and that sense. But without, this is a very different team and I just I just a very slight I don't know twelve average teenage days ago, and I hate it and and talking about January guys. We're talking about January. If something becomes back and is at least the version we saw in the early parts of the bubble that is not a certainty. It's not on out of the possibility, but I know but right now you've gone off From a team that was a winner way, you know of a couple of games away from me to the finals even with some injury issues and now you've just taken away two stars like that's bad. It's hard to get hashtag not and and not added anything to replace those guys again, we're talking about you've replaced can tour with Tristan Thompson. We're not going to talk about Thompson as an upgrade going to offset the losses of Hayward and Kemba if Tampa comes back again, and he's close to himself. It's less of an issue. But right now the unknown is what's scary song with John didn't you hear Thompson won the Celtics the offseason we gotta move on from, we got a lot of things. Are you guys the suburbs had a long walk? Okay, if you want to do it will do it. If not, then let's move on. So Gordon Hayward we want to talk about this again. Yeah, even though Bobby doesn't okay over the week. We've had wage a text to talk about Thompson. Some things were said we can't take that back anymore, but it got definitely heated and spirited and that's that feels like there's a lot of debate about how that how that Gordon situational hard feelings here. You put a pride to the side. Yeah, cuz sounds like a bumper sticker. I know it's the Celtics Bato me that day. So basically we we we we've been debating how it went down. I think I think after I think there's a little bit more clarity after hearing from Danny Ainge who's off of the media a couple of days ago Gordon Hayward as well on the same day talked about things one thing became perfectly clear. Gordon didn't want to be Hayward hates the Celtic Gordon Hayward Gordon. Hayward. Didn't want to be in Boston and Danny knew it and no matter what even though it was and we were right in in saying plan a should have been Hayward. They tried he wanted nothing to do with it. So then we and it's it is what it is. And and and I think whether it's the city the it seemed to be mainly the fitting wants to be the man again didn't want to be fourth fiddle if that's what happens. You packet team with too many stars. Somebody's going to get a little you know, Jesus it it happened. It happened to real and ten seconds in the year 1008, but he played his role out, but he definitely didn't love being third fiddle to kg and peers but he went through it and that and then he left I mean whatever but well he didn't leave like a year later. No, no. No, they he did it. I mean not working went into it knowing that you know, but everybody everybody's got that cuz you're used to be in the man then you're not the man Not only was he not the man. He was each year. He became Unless of the man like well, you know when they'll Tatum's good so you gotta take fewer shot. So he left where we're back to is. Was Charlotte was he going to wait on Charlotte the whole time or was there something that could have been done with Indiana? And that's where he would have wanted to go. So I do want to put in a couple of things here. Just a quotes that were out there. One thing that Gordon Hayward said that stuck out to me was just talking about it this and that and then he's like I looked at my age and and I said, let's just do this Charlotte thing. I I don't think that was his first choice. I think his first choice was Indiana. I think Indiana really wanted him then the questions just going to come down to the Danny get completely caught off guard by Charlotte coming out of nowhere and not think it was a real threat or did he know was possible and was willing to let it happen. I still don't really know what the answer to that is, but you after listening to these guys talk. What do you guys think? I think you're onto something there. I mean the the Jordan thing the phone calls is what gets me. I mean, he says that now there's two phone calls right before there's only one. There was the one Friday night or whatever Friday phone call that he received from Jordan where they spoke off. You know 24 hours before you made his decision, you know, what was that first initial phone call like and if I had to guess it's about a lot of them conversation that they had for years ago when they were trying to get him to leave Utah to come to to the charging, you know happened before here. We are again don't make the same mistake twice something to that effect. Right? And I think that was sort of always in his back pocket. Yeah, you know going back home playing back at Indianapolis, you know, there was a lot of emotion into that but I think you know to what they said in the press conference being a featured player. I think that means a lot to him still. I think he's still thinks because of what he did in this past season and kudos to him. We've been giving him off, you know the utmost. I know reminding us how good he was this year. I think that sparked a huge, you know motivation obviously into Gordon and then the worst thing that could have happened were in the postseason thought about how Kemba was on banged-up Gordon Hayward your secondary playmaker could have came in there, you know carry that team over who knows maybe they make it to the NBA finals if he's completely healthy. Maybe you know him with with with the 80% off. Percent, Walker guess you there will never know but I think that was the devastating blow to Gordon. I think Gordon was sold been torn. I don't think he knew you know, he I don't think he was dreaming about Charlotte in the postseason, but I do think that he was off the postseason as this is my time to this is my Redemption song. I'm going to go off here. I'm going to carry this in and five minutes until the you know similar to his tenure with the something's five minutes into the postseason boom. He's out and he just wasn't himself and I think that was the beginning of the I mean, but the role in Charlotte I think is significant, but you know, Indiana going back home. Yeah that that's a tough, you know decision to be the middle of money speaks Spanish. Well spoke volumes Jordan spoke volumes those conversations. They went a long way and these are conversations that they've had for the past four or five years. I mean Gordon's he's clearly hasn't forgotten that wage. I think that wasn't in the back. I I know the phone call and it was official. I keep going back to those two days. And and that's what I think it all comes down to is it if Charlotte if he was talking with George? And Charlotte was always in play and the money was what it was which it was always one twenty. Maybe it wasn't done. Maybe the second phone call pushed the extra money. I don't think there's any I just don't know. I think there's no reason to extend you just walk on Tuesday. You you just walk out. There's no reason to extend that that that window wage Celtics. That was a negotiating window. Obviously at this point not for the Celtics to negotiate a deal but you're talking about the I'm sorry. Tell me the option to extend the deadline. Okay taking that option from the Thursday to Thursday to me is what is again. I'm going to keep coming back to it is we've pieced together now that okay. We we surmised maybe that meant the Celtics are still working on the extension with him and maybe they'd go up a year off. Maybe they were working on. It makes no sense that they want to keep them and they were deep and trade negotiation. They want a new they kind of keep them. They know they couldn't keep him which means the only reason to extend their yeah, they they sides agreed on birth. Both sides agreed on was because they wanted to work the Indiana trade which meant Gordon wanted to go there and that was really the best option for the Celtics. That's the only thing that makes sense you when you when you play it all out because now we've eliminated the possibility of keeping him. It's out the window. He didn't want it Danny knew it nothing you could do that two-day window existed only months ago. She ate a trade Danny said four teams, but it seems like Indiana was the was the one that he was working closest with you know, and if Gordon imagine if it was four teams, if gyorgy extended that window by two days to go to one of four teams, that means Charlotte might have been his fifth option when Danny couldn't swing a deal, you know, where you have to you have to consider some teams within a cast page to like, I know Portland had interest in him. They they had no way to sign him not even close. Then Robert Covington falls into place there Atlanta is we no interest there they moved on birth. Two things and and New York, of course to start filming things up. So there are a number of different options here that the Celtics could have played ball with and you talk about Charlotte to being a sign-and-trade option. They didn't get a ton from them, but they ultimately either get something from them. I think the development you have to consider here too because we heard the packages at the Celtics could have got from Indiana whether it was Victor Oladipo TJ Warren is Ange would have wanted or just a temporary McDermott Tech kind of package don't think you did was in a really no. No, there's no way they were going to do that. That's what Ainge was pushing for if you if you believe the washroom report so we get into what happened in LA and this is what I keep emphasizing because all along I said Tristan Thompson had no way of going to the Celtics. It was a dream we talked about a Jimmy during our free-agent special we both were off Thompson here. I think he was a guy who would have loved to have gone to the Lakers and played center or the Clippers as they lost Mark Montrezl Harrell there which was a huge surprise so that Domino Falls wage, The Clippers sign a backup for the same deal as Thompson all of a sudden the Celtics are in this negotiation with Indiana. They're not getting what they want out of it. They have a chance to sign Thompson. If they don't do this Indiana deal you go do the same deal cuz it comes down to Myles Turner versus Tristan Thompson. I think you take Tristan Thompson every time that's crazy. Okay, my turn when I think happened I think yes, there was mutual interest between Celtics and and Gordon Hayward and getting a deal done to go to the page. Sure the part that we don't know and we'll never know probably wage. What were the Pacers really offering Gordon Hayward? Maybe that was a hold up maybe Gordon Hayward wanted to go to the Pacers more than the Pacers wind Gordon Hayward and they were working on maybe trying to get that hundred million dollar offer up to a point. We're going would accept it. When the Pacers didn't he said? Okay. I'm going to you know agent get it done with Charlotte and Danny Ainge, of course, it's Indian agents best. Yep. Is to extend that deadline if if there is a trade involved cuz he knows that once coordinator. We're goes crazy. He should out a la pardon my French but so of course he's going to extend it. Oh, yeah Gordon. You don't want to come here. That sucks. You suck. Love to have you back. But if you want to go to Indie, if you want to go to, you know team being topics how to get it done for a v a trade to sell this had to get done for him. But the other team has to give Gordon Hayward and offer that he wants Gordon Hayward has the ability to what was it about the money for him? I don't know I think so. I think it was part partly a little bit better and $20. Yeah, I mean, but that's why I wouldn't be surprised Jordan to the reason I came in came in with another offer the opted out of the reason. I don't think most cuz he can opt out listen to everybody and Danny can stick. Yeah. I mean, it's it's I don't know. I think that that window was there to make a deal because he wanted it to get done and that was the end it it did get done. The question again is did Danny Ainge play it and wait till they hold out for too much is my friend. Here's my frustration with that notion. You just do anything with them just take whatever song Indiana wants to give you just just take it because it's it's something and they ultimately did get something out of it. They get Thompson and they get the exception and they give flexibility. I believe the exception. I believe Turner and whatever you got back from Indiana will be better than what you get for the exception. The problem with that is okay. That might turn out to be true. I mean that's the thing is that's the math not Turner not not not not Thompson for half. The money that Turner would have been I believe Turner and whatever you get plus that plus that salary that you can kind of hold onto and use as an asset maybe down the road is going to be better than anything. They use the trade tpe on what the game they they gain something out of it and they lose something by doing Indiana to you lose the full mid-level so you can't sign a full mid-level player there and you lose flexibility to make a trade as we say again. And again, that's why we were we even thinking of doing this Indiana trade to get trade flexibility to get a player that would be tradable from there. Cuz if you don't love McDermott, if you don't love turn at least they could be trade ass as we learn from the auction. What are we learned about players coming to Boston? What is Brad Stevens do for them when they leave? He gets the bad contracts. He gets them paid. Yeah, but then then they don't play the same that they you know, you don't see the same player you saw in Boston though. That's the that's the wildly Turner ceiling - -8 Miles Turner is an imperfect wage earner and he might have been he might have been shit here. We don't know his ceiling have been his ceiling is hidden in D and times higher than than than than Tristan Thompson or or I believe most people we might be able to bring in cuz realistically I think that t p is going to be split into two instead of one and the beginning age pretty much said that you said you were going to use it for depth coming up your special offer. You just kind of fact that he had he had that $19 price tag on it. You know, I just think he's thinking that much money. I know I agree especially in the previous version of the tax off. Sure, Seventeen and half and half a year for Myles Turner twenty-four-year-old 611 F 3.23 though. They're shooting touch em all over the floor Lots one year. I'm not saying he's like you're a defensive player of the year, but he is a is a presence on the defensive end and he's developing. I'm not saying he's outside shot. Is there she put you out some reason there. I think it was like 34% last year what not. But the fact that he even has one and that he can develop one moving forward that should pique your interest if you are so expensive. So all the Celtics fans or just automatically dogging miles turn or just because the Celtics didn't trade or we have to go off his where he is now Jimmy shame on you guys. Would you just drinking the green Kool-Aid and you don't have your own freaking personal thoughts on your head can't you do your own research? I mean right now right now this year actually helped the Celtics be a better team this year. You tell me ask you this Jimmy. He doesn't help at what who's hoping you move? This year Tristan Thompson or Miles Turner? I don't know that you can send you know the answer questions because you know, Tristan Thompson's a better player right now. I'm sitting is fine. I just don't think I already hit a ceiling I get the pictures not the best year of his career. I get the people are like why is why is why are you guys talking about Turner so much and he's the next coming and this and that George Thompson is more likely than not going to going to be like six and six six and seven here that's playing the 22 minutes ago. I think it's ridiculous to think. He's fine warrant fine. He'll he'll pick you like to think of something didn't want Myles Turner. Like let's be honest with like, what do you think? What do you think was the beginning of the conversation when these two teams spoke? I mean it was about Myles Turner. I think with a talks fell apart when a other pieces whether it was McDermott, whether it was, you know, three players at the southern wanted no part of Danny said, look, I'm not taking on these three contract just for one or you know, the one guy who maybe I'm not, you know over the top and love with bub. Do think this guy can be a piece? And the reason I like to know, I don't think you can say that about Turner Turner will fill a void on his team to do it better. I would like to believe that if Danny Ainge had the opportunity to make the trade Turner and McDermott. I don't think McDermott's contract is first of all, it's not like an albatross contact was like McDermott. Oh my God, it's all right. So one he's in the last year of its like $7 deal take him in and leave him whatever. He's he's in the deal. I would like to believe Damien's would have made that deal because if if you brought Brad Stevens here to be you know, the the the the basket of a spur and develop these guys and I mean you saw what he did Evan Turner you've seen anything with some of these other players. You're just going to say, oh Myles Turner stinks. Look at look at like this this this highlight reel of a game where he played poorly in Indiana. You don't see like the potential for a guy like that. Then you're not like thinking anything other than like the numbers that you're just looking at. Yeah, did that article around today in Indiana? They're dead. Him is like a big to you know, like he's I think like Danny sees a guy like Turner and drools over him. Like I'm three just all this 611 guy who can stretch the floor and I believe in blocks like we never charge and develop his shot and it's not. I don't know what he turns into but this is the type of guy that like Danny's falling over himself to get normally, you know, so life. I know he hasn't been everything everybody hoped there. I I don't know. I don't believe that it's an untrainable conscious either. He's making Seventeen and half million from the next few years. He's going to enter he's gonna he's quite just going to expire in New Jersey like like Prime of his career like years why it seems like 27 like you're going to tell me that like teams aren't going to sign this guy mean come on. I mean, I don't believe that one bit. I think the Celtics would have to be for Myles Turner if the opportunity arose what I think is that maybe Indiana maybe wasn't offering Gordon Hayward as much money as you as he was looking for. I think Indiana becomes a trade partner because it's a dead. Nation Hayward would have approved it gives you a chance to get something they could push for more in that scenario as they obviously did. I don't think it's that they were intrigued by turning her all that much. He was a given and Thursday and is begging to get rid of this guy. That's the other thing. You have to consider. They have no interest in keeping them. They've been shopping them everywhere. He still hasn't gotten dealt this offseason. So they're moving forward with him. My point is turn off. Yes. My point is the pages are better than the Celtics right now. And that's not actually make stuff so bonus. Okay. So bonus Turner Warren, November Brogden and overhead or Depot. Okay, they're very smart people. Those are jumping out a great lineup. We'll see who's available come playoff time if that ended up being a match up, you know, obviously a depleted. Can you take the pieces there? My point is so to wrap this up yet flexibility now and they would have been hampered for flexibility returned my question to a little bit more question. My question is this song would you pay the tax for Myles Turner? Cuz that's what it comes down to. I'm not much that you pay the tax from John don't talk to John about taxes. He thinks know I'm not saying I'm not I'm not I'm not saying that from all works her and money, but but it's flexibility. You can't use a mid-level use the mid-level when you can't do you get penalized let's get into the let's get into the trade exception here because as I think this is where I think I'm not going to say confused but this is where everybody wanted this thing to happen because this will be what decides us debate. But here's the thing. It's less about that dead. I think everybody's like, oh we gotta trade exception. That means we're going to go get a star for all of this money. Yeah, and that's not what it means. It means realistically you're going to dump something. And again, it's a $27 trade exception. But Bobby, I think we can only use Twenty-One or so million to write to to stay under the tax. So you're looking at a 1920 you're looking at a player in that right off. But when you're trading just a trade exception for something you're getting someone else's garbage or someone else's I'd like to clear this contract off my books. It doesn't have to be garbage garbage. But somebody else is looking for flexibility somewhere and is willing to give you something for close to nothing. Obviously, you gotta roll something else into it, but nothing of Great Value, but it doesn't mean you're going to go get off a star and in fact, it's very unlikely. The only way you do is if you roll other actual Assets in with it to make money match the problem is the Celtics don't have any real assets. Yep. As they're out of there out of drastically and and at this point everybody they have they need you're not trading Jaylen Brown. The only actress portable assets. You don't have a tradeable asset anymore. So you're really only have this money to play with which and low draft and and and nothing else in the future your own draft picks and that's it. So how long their players to acquire a player that's probably filler at this point, then that's when it gets you I can't believe is actually off. So the year comes in your comes here comes the John 180 again all of a sudden you've you Myles Turner as something other than garbage coming in that you can reform. I don't want to say garbage cuz I only use a garbage can be a good player. But I actually I think he's better than anything you'll get with the trade exception for this reason. Possibly. I mean they option does not ton of options out there in terms of what you could get. That would be worth using this a few of them. Aaron Gordon. I think would be intriguing look at the name's Larry Nance Evan Fournier. Gordon is intriguing for this not a ton of great name para lost fabulous young JJ Redick Josh Hart, Trevor Ariza, George Hill County Mills Rudy Gay. This is exactly that's easy right here right here. Now both like four or five navies. I think realistically that's as good as last Thursday any rolls the dice which I I strongly advise against this roasted diced and wait for the offseason because then they stood really pop up for the Celtics or you end up with nothing and you know, the time goes off and you know, but you you lose that you lose you lose that opportunity. Yeah. I don't know what you roll the dice with and corns the guy to me my name. Orlando's in a bad spot the East got tougher. They're going to be out of the playoffs this year the team getting dressed simply. So you just got who who do the Celtics offer Orlando took another key to the start of the season is starting to work in these young players that couldn't get worked in last year and try to make something out of them. You're going to have Aaron Naismith coming in and getting an opportunity early ton of the players like Pat them on Waters. And these other guys are going to get time to play earlier this year. So that's another critical component. Okay, I'll ask you this all of a sudden also don't I don't hate I do all your future pics too long of a sudden Naismith is lighting it up to start the year. I I guarantee you there won't be one Celtics fan who will want to trade him for Aaron Gordon if that's the case if you end up with the tradeable asset found me on that list. Tell me that you want to actually treat exactly that's telling immediately Jimmy and your hypothetical you're selling a meat and I think Danny would do that. You're going to give birth. What you before you before you trying to say is don't hold onto these guys all of a sudden needs. Mr. Shooting like this is what you guys are saying that segment. Universal because you're saying Myles Turner comes in here and he's a whole new player. You're saying Aaron Gordon can't come in and become a high level maybe even All-Star level player in the Stephen system. Like it's the same exact conversation. He's great. And Jayson Tatum I'm saying they can't get them. They didn't have to you didn't have to bother you didn't have to trade anyone get me off. I agree with that but I don't think it's a John and Jimmy are saying yo what Jimmy is saying makes perfect sense. So again in order to get somebody that's that's clear that's gonna need someone like Naismith or maybe Romeo when he comes back from injury do it. Are you what we say here if those guys show value you don't want to trade them anymore because they're cheap and they're yours. So that's right when you need them. So if they show value to be traded, then you don't want to trade them anymore, which means you don't actually have to say I disagree. I mean you spell I think jokes Both ways right here. I think you sell because like I said from the Gulf War it right now are not for Gordon higher wage. I mean, that's one example about the players get Gordon without throwing in somebody somebody else in here. It's not you're not just getting them for Deadmau5. And now you're just protecting. I don't know Johnny took those off. You don't think that they they would make that trade I'm saying if it goes off you're going to be like thank God we hit with a rookie and they're going to keep them at all and hold them and cherish Aguila God. You're never going to see if we got one. Imagine. I'm not a member I drink so let's pretend they had Tyler herro hero would they trade him for friggin Aaron Gordon? It's a different conversation here. Can I get all Starfire to the point where you're like, we got some some way in trading him. There's some way in between Romeo Langford the last season and what time here I did last year. I was at Birth. Premiums a Flash and showed that you're never going to trade them for something that's like kind of somebody else's used used leftovers. You're not doing that wage. You're going to be real football cheap here in that in that example. It would it would have to happen in the offseason. It would have to be somebody that we're not even talking of right now. I know it's so risky Jimmy, but but at the same time though, it's not that risky because this is a full calendar year later, right? So this is we're not talking about July and get off it expire at the end of the summer or even in the fall. So Daniel have himself in time, but you know, he's gonna get that uneasy feeling and you know, that that's going to be nothing to work against him teams all off sooner. They're going to say this guy has to has to make this happen. So she would watch me make a move daddy's not going to make a move for how he's not going to feel pressure. He's already told you essentially what happened right that corn here would wanted to go to a gym. Wanting to go to Charlotte and there wasn't really anything that they could do about it. So he's in his mind. It's it's great that they got an exception and if they use it even better but he's not going to use it just for the sake of using it and bring that in exceptions. I hate to say it many of them expired over the course of being around. So I mean, I really hate to break it to Celtics fans who think that you know, a lot of birds walking through that door wage, you know, just you know, I would love to you know, if Aaron Gordon is given away for just the trade exception because and or like an end up it's unreal, that's a fact that's a different story. But if you have to roll in assets to make something like that work, I don't know. I don't know that that works for you unless you're talking about a player. We haven't even considered yet. Exactly. That's why it will be worth it. If if he doesn't use it for like depth, you know at the deadline or whatever if they're trying to make a run like you think they might be able to Joss what maybe use it varies, but if not, you can hold on to it for the off season and see dead. What team emerges that is looking to you know, rebuild her or something of that nature, but that's what it be. Anyway, you know, somebody mentioned the chat buddy hield too expensive. Yeah, is that what twenty-three years? He said half a price tag. I'm not even at that price have your buddy hield. You have your buddy hield, right? Well the reason why that stop it stop it. You don't do that at the reason why people keep saying that because Sacramento has to do something they gotta, you know, they got a launch and they're not just on the court but on the on the boat, this is this is my buddy hield being mentioned John's in the top-left. Here's waving the Romeo Langford swag Jimmy's down there with Aaron Naismith. That's unreal you guys back in the same thing with these they are those guys do show value to the century trade, but they will not trade them for one of the guys we mentioned there was a trade or somebody we haven't talked about yet, but if they show value here, you're never off. Of just throw them in as filler in a deal for one of the people we mentioned to come in the past guide one of these wash get one of these watched, you know Corners one of these way I can come in and help the bench because that's what the subjects need. They need to address that way position. They need some batteries stablish player. I'm saying not Javonte or you know, show me respect to those two guys, but they need a more established guy in this league someone coming up if there's someone you really want that's going to require a package like that you do it they'll certainly the other options here. I've kept my own and Rudy Boesch world would require giving up a first-round pick that you just dragged. I don't think I'm talking about Rudy Gay Aragorn what? I'm sorry what we got here Jimmy like realistically what you are going to get off here. Here's our our best shooter that we've had Alaska. No, he's not like that. That's the thing is everybody has warts much like again Myles Turner has war is a reading, you know, you kidding me on this team suck. And yeah, that's another option you could bring in multiple players and that's what we started off talking this about use that to absorb multiple salaries from a team. If it comes to that Danny was talk about like he had four players in mind seemed like yeah, that's crazy to think about but where we're at now and whether they did that and whether they did the Indiana trade or this the better spot back there and this year is they can match salaries in a trade now last year, they couldn't do any trade that they could imagine because they didn't have the salaries to do it. Now. You have 30 as much as Thirty million to match the you know, better place Iraq Iran, I no matter what assets you think you have because you can actually mathematically do any trade that you want to which is good. Now, you might not think you have the stuff to get it done. But at least you can do is if you get to that place, okay, let's let's I got to pay some bills here. Let the we got to do the long read. We'll Gallop gotta let the folks at home know about our our sponsor for the season. Yep. Our sponsor. They're here with us. It could be here all season long man. We gotta we gotta we gotta sell something and then they'll react. So everyone listen up we're doing our best of those Pockets kids coming guys. Christmas is coming here to remind you take your biggest grooming in page needs from head to toe with the all-in-one manscape performance package kit. Okay. 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So again dream scenario of all the players who have been mentioned out there and again whether it's now or midseason what pick a player or need? I don't see that ran away gone. Like I'm a I'm sticking with Gordon and I explained it already the situation in Orlando V. He sort of a fort style play lettuce ISM 2 as well for sure. You know, they they are standing you don't play for here any still a winner? So you have the three wings and you keep that thing going that you want to do here and again untapped potential there. He's played on a team as whole career that's just defense defense defense you unlock some of his office is here playing with other players. He's on a bigger deal. It's not a buddy hield like deal but you'd be picking up enough salaries. So you're going into the tax getting them but I think he's someone you could reasonably say wage. It's the score at the other two, but if you're going into the tax, do you prefer him or healed? Him more versatile more room for growth. I think he owes. So the other Gordon not Aaron here. Eric Berg not taking heels. You like the shooter. Yeah and save not enough and not enough upside there. I don't think yeah. I know this price tag, I'm with you on that but for for what the cities and may bring. Yeah, I think that would be ideal. Thank you plugged in where haywards left too and he's cheaper his upside there. He's had a little bit of an injury history, which is concerning. But again, you get what you get with them. Are there any other bigger names big names in that in that dear? Well, that's kind of where we're at when you're looking at the money available Gordon's right at that number. I don't think you're going into the tax. He's eighteen one with two years remaining. Okay, so going down which has got to that's not terrible. It's just a matter of whether or not you need. I think the high I think the price is very high. He's by far you'd be talking about multiple first-round picks or other other players on your team to get this deal done that it's not just for money. It's not a salary dump. So then comes down to again. The thing we were talking about with Jimmy is he's the best name in a vacuum, but to get him you have to give something of value job. And in order for that thing that value they have to show value for you first. So again, it's either an S Naismith comes in and lights it up and you're like we got something or it's Romeo on a bounce back and he starts looking good which again there might not be enough time for that to happen this year with him, but in multiple pics that Gordon is not cheap, the money makes it work, but you have to give real things to get him. But then you can consider with our language know too though is they have some bad contracts there too that they could try to get off their books and that's what we think about when we think of this exception. You can absorb a lot of money. So let's say it's 18 for Gordon. You could take off Ross possibly in the steer. You could take a mo Bamba guys that they just don't want to pay that they don't want to have on the roster anymore because let's look at the East where is Orlando fitting in in this conference for years to come they're not teams are getting better. Charlotte got better. You have Detroit on the come-up somewhat you Cleveland like all these teams that are shooting ahead of them. It feels like so you hope that they get that desperate. Situation this year, but they just want to offload money and start over and maybe tank for this next draft coming up. All right, what else we're moving on if you're waiting for something bigger you waiting for next offseason Jos. We are explained very big risks the biggest prize that fits within what they're talking about. I like I said is gorgeous which they can afford. But again that's going to cost them assets a lot of stuff a lot of stuff. They might not even have it right now. They only have it if these guys play well we keep saying it but right now I don't know how you even get that done just for the money. So you're looking at that second-tier depth of guys who might come in off of your bench and provide second unit offense here in a bit of wing depth, whatever it is you need but not a game-changing sort of talent here again, not unless you roll the dice into the offseason and something changes where this is again, where if your rookies well, if some of your younger players in year two or the rookies show serious value you may be able to roll them up into something bigger that we haven't talked about yet. But right now the list is very honest. Firing which again? I'm going to keep coming back to you know, Turner's don't yeah, it is what it is. It could turn into I just at the end of the day. I think that's experience where like we got the trade exception. I don't know what I don't know if that's going to get you anything that you're a dinner ends with a trade for Miles Turner everybody. That would be amazing and I would suck it's all the Celtics fans who just said how bad he was it would be singing his Praises. We got turner He's going to be so good under braking again. He got in many ways. Like, you know, would it be running it wouldn't be stunning with it? No, I wouldn't be shocked enough to 20% what was happening? It's funny. Nobody's mentioned it and Jimmy. I love that will bash Celtics fans will be bashing all this time. As soon as he comes here. Like oh this guy's great. Just what we need any money. There's no way to get him for the same reasons. There's no way they can use your exception for anybody else available Thursday. Everything of value to get unless Indiana desperately is like I I do not want to be able to buy and I you know, and I want to trade exception and it's just a freaking hot potato. You just keep passing around. I don't sleep on Indie. I'm telling you they have a stack starting lineup. I mean, they're deaf without looking at probably cheaper than the Celtics aren't extremely cheap team. Let's get into a couple little things today. We found out the Celtics Open Season December 23rd versus the Bucks in Milwaukee. Not a ton of fun to talk about. What is fun to talk about is Kyrie Irving Christmas Day Teagarden, no fans. The Grinch himself comes to Austin on Chris gets his wish she gets to come back here to know fans. But anyway, he loves playing this game. Oh one hundred percent, but we've been playing a preseason game in a couple of weeks. We've been fantasizing dream scenarios of what we want to see happen to Kyrie in this game. So let's just share some thoughts. Is here, you know, how do you think that this thing goes? Like is this the game the Kyrie score 75 points in the Nets win by a hundred and it's like No, there's no chance that Marcus Martin. Jaylen Brown are gonna let Kyrie Irving do that today. I mean if they do shame on them because after what he did to them pretty much still young, you know everything but just spit in their faces essentially basically told them they were trash, you know, wrote them off like talk down to them talk to the media basically about them to their you know, I'm sitting in the freaking chair in the locker room. Like I mean the whole Saga with carrier was so embarrassing that if you're Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart and those guys you have so much pride where you like that is a game that you just cannot wait. You're not going to sleep much on Christmas. It's not because you're thinking about Santa Claus coming that night you're thinking about showing up and just giving everything you have to just shut Kyrie Irving down gentleman doesn't dunk all over Kyrie Irving on Christmas day. Then Christmas is ruined Tyrese Tyrese going to get Tyrese going to get Jaylen Brown up in the air so many times. Garden in the first two minutes trying to friggin I'm gonna have to cover the three-pointer into the friggin into the rafters. He's going to be back. Jalen can't stay on his feet. Kyrie is just going to bring him on a rare anything. Hey, let's remember that Kyrie is the second best player on that team. Kevin Durant is back and not married at a certain if he's though so I've been with that Joe sway the first couple of weeks. Yeah. I'm skeptical of what he's going to look like at first coming back, especially on the defensive and this was an all-world Defender before he went down with that injury. So if they're going to use them at Center and stuff like that, I'll be interested to see how this goes. But offensively everything you hear about who he's been working with in the offseason. All that stuff is that he's as good as ever he's been lights out. So this guy is going to be a problem and you know, what else is going to have to be on him, you know, what else happens in the off-season Ben Simmons hits a bunch of Threes And we all freaked out. I don't I don't give a crap about offseason workouts. Okay, that doesn't mean I understand remember looking pretty good at least look pretty good job absolute his knee injury for basketball players. So the seat. All right. So say Durant out of the fold and not himself has a whole year like a 19 Hayward year. This team's useless. I mean, they've been taught seven or eight seed for all those years with the scrappy young guys. Kyrie is never proven to move the needle much on his team above like a 4 or 5 seed. It's a most fun team to root for I have a root against them. So yeah, this this team is dictated by Kevin Durant. I know that it's going to be the biggest dumpster fire. Is there a more unlikable? Maybe I maybe I'm maybe I'm biased here but is them unlikeable one-two combination the NBA than not right now carry. I mean after this guy was just going to trade. Yeah, exactly. Mm. The two thinnest skin guys in the universe actually Westbrook Falls in there too. I know people don't like LeBron just because they're just just yeah LeBron James the best and then just a d like dog much to hate him. You can hate that he went to LA but in terms of Personality like Curry and Durant have to be Far and Away the most like annoying one too many different cases to me. If we think about done in the league the ramp brought his team in the finals in 2012 put on historic performances. How about that? He's just he's just a thin-skinned frigging wine or he's off their skill. I mean he went over there to the Warriors got two championships and I still don't think they like to do Kelly for sure. I'm saying he wants Anita took the needle but I just I don't know. I mean as a human. Yeah, I don't know what he's going to what you going to look like on the floor and if you're the Celtics and if you're in jail in and yeah, of course you have that you have to keep that energy not only because you're playing against our dog. But also because of this is a message to the entire Eastern Conference, you know, I see teams or or websites rather ranking the the Brooklyn Nets above itself is already the the team that just finished in a Conference Finals get the Miami. He already is below the Brooklyn Nets even before the company news and all that stuff. So if you're going to take that person or if you're dealing Brown and Jayson Tatum, this is your team down those two have to take the mantle and send the message to the rest of the I want these two guys averaging no less than 50 points that first week of the Season you kidding me. They better make don't make no mistake took his odds before the Hayward thing dead. Even that's like so much. Let's make no mistake Jose way though. And I think you'll agree with this if they're ran is right there the team to beat in the east If he's right, I agree with that but but the biggest though is can they can they can those two coexist. How does Santa Cody in their part in all this thing? Because to me it's going to get it's going to get cloudy but actually, you know, Duran Duran Duran made the finals with Westbrook the rant made the finals playing alongside Curry if he's the rant. He'll make the finals with Kyrie. So that's the big question. I don't care about what God is doing this or that if it's his team, they're not going to do. Well, we just seen in the past. The best we've done is the Four Seasons, but they have enough gold and Golden State that was one of the greatest teams of all time that he took, you know, I don't know if you don't think if I don't think you're going to be Go Ahead Tours, sorry, I think that the mental give us the Celtics of problem, but overall, I don't know if they're that if even if if the ransom sup, It's going to be serious growing pains in his next team because Kyrie hasn't shown me anything about being a leader yet in the used the first started last year and that's don't want the Nets. Don't even one Kyrie the Nets. I mean is there because because because either in cuz he came with your rant if if they had their way they swap out Kyrie for a different person if they could they just suck. It was a package deal as remember that awkward like week and a half where it was reported that maybe Durant wasn't going to go all of a sudden. Oh Brooklyn considering trading Kyrie like it was like a week-long. Like wait a minute. We didn't get this weird Kevin. What are you talking about? Yeah, I can't wait for it all unfold cuz it's it's going to be something and I'll say this the best soap operas Sports shows come down to what happens on the court off the NBA needs the New York Knicks to be great again, and if you're an NBA player and you and you're scared of playing in New York cuz you can't handle the pressure then shame on you because Madison Square Garden is the same place in all of sports to play in in in the United States hockey or basketball boxing college basketball, whatever it is. So shame on you if you're in D player and you don't want to play for the Knicks because you're scared of like the media or the Mets had a better team. That's a trashman. The Nix aren't rushed. They've been the worst email for a decade. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well Jimmy thing it started from scratch, you know, they doing that with the Nets. They just have a better Supporting Cast that's why it came down to I think that's the freaking Brooklyn Nets. There's nothing to them like there's a better job. Our team they have a cast to play off but always it's not a hobby. It's about the culture now. Here's oh no. No, no, you know he wants to go back home. You know you guys off a bridge. He's going back home. Oh Jersey. I love Jersey so much you guys do have a point though. If they that thing last year with Atkinson drove me up the wall because he was a good choice for that team. He built them up. He turned that franchise around. Yeah. Yeah. And so and so if they choose that team because of the pieces in place and then they deconstruct it as it seems like they want to do by getting rid of these great young players. I love those young players down that game. That's where it's going to head. Saw a training camp. They're going to walk into the cafeteria. Kyrie's going to put his tray down next to KD meeting point everyone else at the time. You can't sit here. You can't you know, like he's just a friggin. He's just a minion girl, you know, like this like more or less wage. Did that with Tatum it was like, all right. You're my guy everyone else. I don't know about all I want to do with you. Yeah, well soon but you know, all the cool kids were all going to be over here. All right guys, like thier so scared of Paris that they've literally hired like four different coaches cuz they they I think they want like I think Steve Nash is just trying to put as many guys in front of me as possible to like take and take the fire before you've got. You've got Jacque Vaughn coaching defense. He's got Mike D'Antoni coach and it's like these guys are all going to be in the front lines when Kyrie comes storming in a locker room steam a 16 that's going to be off to the side somewhere and they thought it was unbelievable. They feel quite a cast of Kyrie control there that such a great Point jamming. I just can't wait for the for the for the shot of the time out where he snapped a clipboard from Steve Nash draws his own plan that's going to happen tell you right now it's going to happen. Maybe you might have snatched away from him, but we're gonna see that blue light is getting wow Carrizo leader now looking at his drawing plays his vocal and gonna be one of them. Four digit code is going to do it. He did say that actually, you know, I already said it. He actually said I'm going to be calling plays coach. Oh, yeah, we don't need a code. That's right. It's like we've got coaches here like sometimes we can coach Chicago. Oh my God, that's my vehicle. It is clear. If the rants. Right this is going to crash and burn there'll be no better than the 6 seed. Yeah. What car he's doing right now. I feel like this is like the future of the NBA but in a bad bad way like how much control players are going to have like, it'll be next level. Hey liquids happening with the whatever happened to harden about that. Go there that was that seemed to look at it massive momentum and then it didn't happen. Yeah, very Preposterous idea was like that real quick Congress. Like I will take Kevin Durant and I will leave here wage game matter. I will I will take the back. No. No, I'm going to tape but Kevin Durant and I'm going to throw them in my truck and we're out of here. Don't how much how much. Can we even put into these first two games? He likes you gave me know up right on the schedule. I mean you're not going to they're going to release will probably know the first half of the schedule tomorrow. It'll be like an unofficial preseason that first week. Yeah. I mean I get Christmas being Marquee matchups, that's fine. I hate throwing away a good match up with a walkie on one like major baseball. Does this all the time they put socks Yankees in April don't do that. You have enough juice when the season starts to watch anything saved good matchups. Birth later in the season midseason and build them up a little bit. I hate throwing away a Boston Milwaukee earlier in the year. Yeah, the 30 and rotate done this John. Now you mentioned wage. I hate the lucky the first the first three games, they're always either they're going to walk you or they come here save it David, you know do the other ones, but I can't wait to see when the Charlotte game is. That'll be fun job. Cuz here's a question knowing what you know now about Gordon Hayward and him choosing to go to Charlotte. Is it more suitable to boo him. I know I think it was Bobby's that you can't boom but now say no. Nobody to move so you shouldn't boom maybe it was Joe sway was wondering if it was me to me. I mean, okay. No, I want you to know now. I mean, he he he didn't want to play in Boston anymore. He didn't like it here. He didn't want to be fifth wheel or whatever. You want to call Em a screwed. You said screw you guys I'm up so you can't believe he's going to get food. I don't I don't think you get booed but as a man, you know born and raised in this culture. Oh, he's getting boobs. Yeah, no question and everything. He said the last couple of days. It's only made it worse. So yeah, he's going to get all right, we're going to wrap it up. We've been doing this a bit Bob. You got a final thought. I guess if if no one's in there, it'll be up to us and we're right now. We're 2 to 1 Joe Swayze not booing. Me and Jimmy going to be in there like boo. I'm not going to be billed off. Like I said, I'm not a boo not food guy. All I'm saying is they have a thousand going Spirit? They have a thousand percent right to bloom. So no worries. 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