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EPISODE 86 -- STEVE HMIEL PART 1

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EPISODE 86 -- STEVE HMIEL PART 1

"Hello my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene. Volkov cast your source for all things NASCAR history presented by maintain excellence. Said I know your personality. Steve said you're pretty quiet about things and he said but more is going to live. Dale said I don't know why you're doing that. And they said well. We just want to be part of a championship team. You guys aren't big enough. Oldsmobile and Hutch got so far behind appliance cars. They said just take the show car. Everybody was kind of frustrated with the. We're going to be all right so we sat on pole. Track record led the most laps in the show car in this show that Bay Nascar and all of us associated in any way when asked forget the past. Donate any hello. I'm Steve Wait. Houston welcome to the scene vault podcast presented by Q. Wear and Steve had to give it to the lockdown order that is ineffective Charlotte and will be in my area starting tonight so we are recording this remotely using zinc caster will use right out and hopefully worked out the kinks where we'll find out soon enough rick. Hopefully there won't be too many road blocks and speaking of roadblocks I was doing my run and everything and for the first time. I've passed this spot. I don't know how many times but I got chased down by a dog and it was a big with flashing teeth nervous more. Bet I think dog thought that he'd treat himself SASQUATCH. What happened at the dog obviously didn't Attack Right? He did not attack. He was kind of circling and everything and our standing there and eventually it's owner tracked it now and. I think what had happened is he had just gotten out of its out of its fans or out of the van that the owner was in or whatever and just got away from the owner because like. I said I had passed that place Steve. I know I've passed hundreds of times on my walks without any kind of issue that first time that something like that had happened. While you're on this route correct. It was the first time I'd ever gotten that close to a dog. Yes so F- and I've been doing this almost ten years so that was kind of scary. You were just about a Solo. Act on this podcast. That would not have been greatly appreciated by our listeners. Battle said though glad everything turned out for you. You and me both brother Steve. This week we have the first. What's going to be a three part interview with Steve Mail? You and I sat down with him at the North Carolina Auto Racing Hall of fame in Mooresville. We had ourselves just a wonderful. Very informative very entertaining Steve. How some bright stories this week. He talks about his introduction into the sport with petty enterprises. He started at petty enterprises the day after what was evidently a pretty controversial race in Dover. And we'll talk about that one in our seconds and then he moved over with Dell to Hagan racing and won the nineteen eighty-four Winston Cup Championship and there was a little bit a bulletin board fodder kind of prominent on they'd had a discussion with some officials from Budweiser going into the nineteen ninety. Four citizen that I kind of prompted them along whereas what wiser wanted of course. You can't always deliver when your sponsor said Hey. We want a championship team. But in this case what and don't you know that was a very very very satisfying championship for them for more than one reason? And then Steve. I had laugh when he was talking about his impromptu job interview with junior Johnson at Watkins. Landlord got the biggest kick out of that because that was junior Johnson. It's absolutely a comic routine. You find that any better about any and Stephen our second segment. We are going to go back to the march. Sixth Nineteen Eighty six issue of Grand National Sane and that issue carry coverage of the Goodrich. Five hundred one. Bacterial bonding with stave. Mill into pets is the crew chief. The car that Terry drove and stay prepared started out life as a show car. Incredible imagine that and what's more not only did the car start out life as a show car Bob. La Bonnie was not happy about the sun was going to be driving his car. So not only. Did Steve have to worry about preparing this car? He had to worry about kind of fending off. Bob The body. Let me tell you something to show cars. They are indeed very very close to actual race cars. But a show car to run a particular as you have to take that car in and reconfigure it for the trend you are eating at and that is not an easy task. While I think what happened was Steve went back to the shop. He went through that thing with a fine tooth comb. And Yeah Definitely Terry. Labonte took that thing to victory lane and dominated that absolutely great race for terrier guys now not only was the Rockingham race covered in this interview. The big news in this issue was the reaction to the incident between Dell earnhardt. Darrell Waltrip at the end of the Richmond race. The week before there. Plus there was news in this issue of Robert Gates leaving daugaard and yes lawyers were involved and there was also a story about David. Pearson's future in racing. And whether or not he would actually ever drive again turns out only maybe one or two more times so David was at the end of his career but he was helping Larry Pearson at the time and the win the championship the Busch Series Championships in eighty six and eighty seven. You can read about in second denied. The history of the Nascar Busch series copy jess hitting. Of course yeah I hear you. How many. How many did Brian go into two or three? And I'm going to save an animal. Public Undergrad because the book is now in the hands of Hollywood and has been for some time which the logger goes of course the lesser. The chances are will ever see the movie but I swear it is right now. I when you make this movie about braven live. Can I play junior? I come home well. For what Michigan drill. Oh Yeah you you. You will be strongly considered. I was directed by the Kademi Award winning director. Now Grad. Put Your name in that. Also we have new patriotic support for Michael Keane which we truly do appreciate folks. Please help us out on patriotic if you can support us on pay pal. Support Queue Wear Support Brian. Caleb and you can support us at patriotic at Patriotair Dot com slash the same bought podcast and pay POW DOT ME SLASH. The Saint bought podcast and once we have been hand and once we kind of get past all this virus stuff and everything. We actually have some more Steve Tracks cards on the wider. Thanks offering alley emory Steve. He wound up with twelve. More Steve Wade Rookie cards about that folks. Come again. You can support us. I'll patriotic and possibly get your hands on one of these day cards Patriot dot com slash. The same podcast or pay POW dot me slash the same bought podcast Steve. You got your start working for Tex Powell and cars for guys like many Parsons back in nineteen seventy four and then you went to work at petty enterprises late the following year. Not Taste seventy-five. How did that come about well? I text POW and Richie and less bars and Jimmy kabbage start. A company called car craft and Ashbourne North Carolina and they built. Benny's cars a year so into it Richie and less decided to go do something else. So Tech said myself and Jimmy Kovalchuk. We'll stay here so I moved down from upstate. New York in July of seventy four and I had been to the pet. He's a new a couple of guys that are newly itchy and when in there and they just decided didn't have enough experience. I said that that's fine. Enriches disco tax so I went down to see tax and he was just wonderful. You know I'm a kid super wet behind the ears you know just about data do something and He taught me a lot. We learned we worked very hard. We had a great time on weekends. If it was a nearby. We'll go to the race and help Benny's guy so it was a really good opportunity for me and then Summer a seventy five hours a little restless to do something different Tex racing wasn't as big as it ultimately was and I was just kind of wanted to work on a big team and Bud Moore was Was Looking for somebody David. If told me that and tech said worked for Bud Moore and he said I know your personality Steve. You said you're pretty quiet about things and he said but Moore's go eat you alive. He was right But I can't imagine ever went down there and And the Pettis we're looking for somebody in Tex- heard about and Texas actually the guy the guy that told me. And he called chief chief said okay. Send HIM UP. And we'll talk to a woman who I think chief said it's don't let buddy tax down so it worked out very well for me. I want right in the door and went to work. Didn't make a whole lot of money but learned an awful lot from the eighties and work my my way up there. I was there for seven years altogether wage do initially when I first started. I was a fabricator. Put money down cars and Built a lot of kit cars richie bars and I was fortunate that Richie bars took me under his wing. He he he looked out for me taught me a lot of things was hard on me but it was easy for me because I had a pretty okay work ethic but I just didn't have enough experience to really be doing what I was doing but I learned almost every day there and it worked out very well that you had been in the sport about a year and you join petty enterprises and Richard Wins. The championship that year. How big a deal was that for you. At that point in time Richard was supposed to winch wasn't it wasn't You went to the page expected to win a Daytona five hundred or two and a couple of championships and at that time. That's how it all worked out and I got there after Dover in September and when I went to work that Monday morning they were all mad at Not banny Travis Carter because Travis Carter hollered something Adam as they were leaving Richard because that's the race. I know if you remember but Benny was leading. And Richard. Got Down a bunch of APPs and buddy ARRINGTON caution. Richard made up seven laps or something like that was what the talk was all that day. So is there anything about it and It was just a it was just a whole new opportunity for me but you were in the big time so you really expected to do things like winning jams. It has said it was like September. I had very little to do with it. Or the finish of the nineteen seventy six to eight hundred five hundred one of the greatest finishes in history. What do you remember about and were you? One of the guys tried to put him across the finish line. No because as soon as as soon as everybody start a bolt over the wall the NASCAR officials went crazy and rich bars. Ignore him. Obviously three others went on went on and did it and chief stood there the whole time and all he wants somebody to do as he the lars off. Pull the wires. Pull the wires and we're like what she was talking about well. He wanted us to pull the wires off a Pearson Scar. The plug wire couldn't crank draft across star. Finish line first but no they were. Wouldn't that many that went across and those that did got a little bit of screamed at by. Nass carpet was all such a great event. I think they really enjoyed it. Steve You had some pretty big names on that team. Obviously you had Richard Maurice Chief You had dylan. I believe buried dodds was there was there at the time. What was it like to be learning from people of such a huge huge stature? The biggest thing I learned quickly was that it was compartmentalized. You had people that took the tank out every week and cleaned it and put it back in You had uncle bottle milliken. Who was Paddy's uncle? And he he dismantled all the wheels and tires and clean everything up and pulled. The inner liners out. You know the bunch of built things control arms and looked at the K. members. The front suspension pieces that came out of the car did a lot of magnetic flux and then across the street in the new buildings where they put everything together so everybody kind of had their job and what was good about my position was I was under Ritchie bars and he did a little bit of everything so I got to learn everything that was other than that. I don't think it had been dad enjoyable because my idea was to learn how to do everything as quickly as I couldn't and hopefully become good at ten point seven the that correct. Yeah Yeah Yes Jerry Cook. What was the reasoning behind that I had felt like for his modified? Yeah to risk point. I'd basically been in the in bigtime race in a year and I was concerned that maybe I hadn't learned enough to be where I was at petty enterprises in other words. I meant I need to step off here and see if I can do something by myself. So Jared Cook was looking for somebody for the year to run with him. He was at Bowman Gray and he said why. Don't you just come with me? So I mean grey. Yeah yes sir. I had everything I own was in three grocery bags and it was all close. I didn't even have luggage. And I jumped into the truck and went with him and I went from this incredibly big shop with forty people working in it called Petty Enterprises to Jerry Cooke myself and jerry nuts and bolts weren't in cabinets. They were chasing sanborn cans. And things like that. So if you get something done you had to do it so I felt like it was May till November period where we ran about eighty seven ninety races. And if something's going to happen you Jerry was going. We're going to do it and I it. It really made me feel like I was capable of doing something and then Some way tile on touch with me and said I'm going to start racing. He said Dad wants to know if you'll come take my car but anyway I just needed approved myself that I was worthy almost. Yeah so you do go back to level cross and you're gonna be cows crew chief. Yes early in his career. What do you remember about those formative years obviously you want it Daytona? Yeah but then the fishing I remember back. Then you had different heights. Spoilers that you boil that that you bolted on the back of the deck let. It wasn't a matter of bending things around us we just had different holidays. No minimum and We sent Kyle because he was comfortable as convenient so cool. You know he didn't he wouldn't worry about it with a in spoiler. Simeon Richard or H Richard staying on top of the trailers time and watch them. There wasn't much electronics. And he's what's boy you got on there and I said the inch in these and he got down that ladder. Neil Richards got a funny way when he walks really fast. And you know and that's what are we doing? He's yet in it. Get Five is gonNA hurt himself. But ultimately it all worked out and we won the race but After that Richard Wounded Tile to do a lot of things so we bought a car from Hoss. Ellington Bill Fat Rebuilt Fat. And he we want to inauguration Nashville drag somebody else's car and we got there in the car wouldn't bunch of things look scary on us so we came home and then we took the magnitude Talladega. I think we're in a minute Michigan things like that crash trying to qualify fourth of July. It was a bit of a rough year and I'm not really sure I know Lee was involved more than people know and I'm not really sure that there was enough money to race kyle or there was enough interest family wide to race cow. So Richard Kimmy that fall and he said you're coming over on my car and I said okay. That's cool so I went to work under Dale for Richard and when Dale left for Ostlund yeah after the Daytona five thousand nine hundred eighty one you were like co crew chief with weights Thornburgh. Yes Sir okay Well have you gotten any indication? Today was going to leap. And what was the team's mood after work? The first indication I had was when when Dale kind of choked up in Victory Lane Daytona and while Mary I'll be home tonight. I thought wonder what's wrong or maybe Mary sick or something. I mean that's how I mean we just had our heads down. We had no idea. No I really. Wow I saw. We saw one long conversation. There are two buildings that were parallel to each other separated by about one hundred feet of asphalt at the patties of a and we were in the building where we built cars ritchie bars. I across the street were Dale and Richard in a really long drawn out conversation in January that year. I thought we all know what's going on there but there was man they wanna clue which tales tales really cool about stuff like that but it was It was rough. People didn't know who is going to be the boss and how it's GonNa work out and all that way wasn't excited about being a CO crew chief. And eventually he's like man. Just just take care of that mass. You know I I I WANNA do what I've always done. It was it was tough we want to racists. We won North Spur on Michigan. We were happy about that. But by eighty two the load of I think running to cup cars with basically one cup cars budget had gotten a little tough and I decided to step away and go do something else now. At some point you did move on and you went to build cars during the wake. Who was that was that back with? Text No J. Hitchcock. Okay number one Richard Role Jay Hitchcock Bill Tech. I wasn't there but yeah. He's a pretty famous very famous late model stock car builder in High Point North Carolina. And you were also Ron Bouchard's crew chief here. How who was he? Running for at the time was farms and BB. Yeah Jack bbn Somehow Jack and Oh Man I'm I'm sorry I can't remember. His name is the guy that was in charge. Bob Johnson Bob Johnson head. Gotten Cross ways. And I can't imagine Bob Johnson. Anybody can can you will you? Change Taskforce Yes so we went to Daytona made some changes and talked about things and they said you need to be the crew chief. I I'm not moving to Connecticut. But we'll do whatever we need to do. So I ran third. There went to Nashville the next week and ran second went to Portland next week can ran third with jets excited. He you know he doesn't have somebody screaming at him all the time and rounded that somebody screaming at him either so they said. Just come to Connecticut's now I got a wife and two little kids and there. I'm going to travel my whole life racing. I want my wife to at least have her parents and you know all the people. She grew up with around her for support. Because I'm not GonNa be there that much so so They eventually hired David if David didn't go to Connecticut because they moved down and bought the dagger shopping and raced out. Well now. Dale inman wants you to come back work at Hagan racing with him and driver. Terry Labonte what was it like working with him again and wish you had more experience. Well I was still just a bro Racer and I needed a ride the Martinsville or maybe Charlotte and I knew Dale Commuters. I call him and rarely do sure so. We went up there and did our thing during the day. We got together to come home. And we're riding down the road. He said. Hey I'm going to work at Hagen's but the thing is already blown up with stacy and earnhardt on. Deo was real frustrated. How things were going and I said I said well. What do we need to do as well? I want you to come with me to. Hey it's I said that's cool you know that'd be great. It's right there in Thomas. Simple as a good jake. Was there enjoying knuckles. And they had run Gosse sector third in the points in eighty two you know and they they had budweiser coming on board. And Yeah Look Really Good Opportunity. So we went over there and and did that Did a lot of things around the shop built some Nice cars with Eddie Dickerson We're real proud of what was going on at two hundred mile an hour monte-carlo which was only two at that time hours and Mr Renews and in Eighty Four. We were super prepared. In fact Dale Him and said I in all my years which was a lot of years even by Nineteen eighty-four said. I don't believe we've ever. I've ever been on a team. That was this prepared. And with Terry I mean I think we had like twenty five top tens or something isn't credible numbers you know Terry just comes in and does his job done. Tear things up and we got lucky and won a championship. You know so that was. That was really cool. There's another championship for Dale. Without without Richard he doesn't crow about but I think it was good for him to say man. I got one. I didn't have my cousin and it was for us as as it relates to Chevrolet and and what was really good was at the end of nineteen eighty three the budweiser guys crowing at us. Because they were leaving going to juniors and we were at the banquet and somebody said something and they'll say I don't know why you're doing that and they said well we just want to be part of a championship team. You guys just aren't big enough to how all standard Dale in and who's a tough guy went and found the Bodas Guy said that and he said hi it's working out now which Darryl had one lot races here about you know needs to be more bonus points for winning races and so on and so forth but you know we had the deal presented to us as it was and you know. We did the best job and scored the most points in one champion. We were tickled to death. I think it's hilarious that you mentioned that because we talked Terry Labonte. Yeah and he told the Budweiser store. Yeah we talked to Dell Inman. He told the Budweiser Story. And now here yeah. That was evidently eight thing. You don't forget plus. Deo inman is not allowed. You know me he's fun and he'll grab you and you feel like he's going to break your arm or squeeze your head off your neck or whatever but he. He is not outspoken. You'd expect that from Bobby Labonte. Who always set you straight right? But but e e F for Kinda quiet people like myself and Terry to see Dale Actually. Kinda not step out of line. The statement that that really burned a holiness nineteen ninety-five on racing reference. You were listed as the crew chief you all the way through the season is that correct. No D. Richard was leaving curb and Deo said may want you come back to petty enterprises with and I signed gotten. We went over there one day at lunchtime from Hagens and Man looked exactly like I did when I left in Nineteen eighty-two he said man is it's the same old deal with the same old people and I don't feel like I'm moving ahead he and I didn't aspire to be a crew chief at all but it just didn't feel like the right thing for me a bunch of guys left Hagen and went over there with Dale but I didn't start being the crew chief until again dover in the fall or something about Dover in Tamil always been around but no D- Dale and was chief until now the Hagen team experienced some pretty good financial problems he s and so how big of an impact was that on what. You're trying to accomplish well just like just like me and my my little compartmentalized head and not realizing Dale inman might leave petty enterprises. I had no idea that billy was in financial trouble. So I just stay in and we'll go on about our business and one day Wayne King it was team manager. General Manager he He came in and they loaded up. All our Chevrolet racecars at the end of the year. Rick Hendrick at bottom and they were manned twenty nine hundred twenty eight hundred fifty pound race because really nice little rice. 'cause we spent a lot of time and at that point in in racing you might have had four you have a dozen or twenty now but still hate to see them going. What's going on? Well then you kind of heard through the grapevine from people that were in the know Dewey livengood knew what was going on because he had been restricted. Someone on what engine parts he could back and I thought now what's going on so anyway. Bill had committed to Oldsmobile. Oldsmobile was coming in with a bang. You had car. And the Jackson said cars you know Harrigan head cars so what you did then was you went to Hutchison Pagan and picked up a chassis. And all the sheet metal. Which was the bill sheet metal guy and every fitting every line fuel-cell neck seats steering wheel steering boxes? And you load it up and you went home and build it and then oldsmobile cars that go get another one. Go get another. Go get another one so it looked like oldsmobile. Finance BILLY BACK OUT OF TROUBLE. And he wasn't in any trouble just all a gone bad. The the bottom had dropped out OPEC was pumping too much out. And you know billy lost a lot and he. He had such a big company by that time he was over. In Southeast Asia was stuff and He couldn't get. It turned around quick enough to stop the bleeding and he lost a lot but we got so also bill and Hutch got so far behind on supplying cars that I was waiting car waiting car waiting on Carson Man. We need a car for Rockingham. So they said. Just take the show car and God that made Bob Bonnie so mad. He thought I wasn't doing the right thing for for Terry and I said no we are about. We'RE NOT GONNA show. We're going to come home and take it all apart and do our thing to put another body on it light and everything up's going to be nice. Little risk I pull the whole whole crowd was men in one thing about it is. If Bob's mad the Klan is matt and so everybody's kind of looking at it as well we anyway before Rockin went to Daytona and ran second to Geoff Bodine so like maybe we're okay. You know so. Want to Richmond and ran eighth next Rockingham. We break out the show car. So man you know everybody's the engine tuner. Ta Tombs for whatever reason he got mad and quit at the racetrack. I'm not sure to this day. How even got home? He lives in Ramat. But I don't know everybody was kind of frustrated with the. We're GONNA be alright so we sat on pole. New Track record led the most laps in one race in the show car in the show but we have put a lot of time and effort and Terry Labonte did a fantastic job enough hair again and Richard Petty so anyway as the year went on it became obvious that we didn't have enough engine enough money for the good engine parts we need. We broke a lot. An Jason Terry got frustrated ultimately took the job at Junior and Junior. I'll never forget this. We're standing in what they called it. The time urinal at Watkins Glen when she's just urinate on the wall and it went down the drain at least big time auto racing junior coming up doing that. Boy I said no junior at that time. Four twenty one was two lanes and it was like a hundred hours and forty-five minutes or something. I said No. I've kind of committed to stay with billion. That's what we'll do all right. Any zipped BIB overalls out. The way he was Terri went on and we worked. Hard to get To Get Sterling. 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Now let's get back to the PODCAST. Thanks for listening to Steve. If you look back at some of the people who went through the garage area back in the seventies and eighties is kind of intriguing. How many people eventually wound up at payday enterprises and started out it pay prizes. Yeah several yeah. You'VE GOT STEVE MEAL. You're also talking about buried. Dodson Tony Glover Tony. Glover had certainly started out with his F- gene racing around the East Tennessee Virginia Sportsman. So yeah you can also read about that and second to none also Robin. Pemberton got his foot in the door at paid enterprises Ken Wilson. What was it about the enterprises that became that proven ground? It was fant of the team and the fact that they had the funds to race at the top level so they were able to recruit younger talent and put them into that system and when they were in that system of multi talent and multi-funds Bay grew exponentially and became very very experienced and very very limited themselves and natural were prime targets for other teams in higher positions. And I mentioned this an intro but Steve Meal went to work for petty enterprises the day after the September nineteen seventy five race at Dover. And let's just say we don't have a clue these days. What controversy Alabama compared to what happened up in Dover Oh it was a Lulu our. Yeah this was before grand national saying got started so I went back to Greg villains absolutely stellar forty years to stock car racing series to see what went on that day and there was a political that went on that day. Richard had lapped the field by LAP. One Eighty so he was on cruise control and he wound up running over a piece of debris from elmo. Langley's CAR ON LAP. Three forty eight now. That broke tyrod in his car and by the time he made it back on the track after repairs. Steve He was six laps down on this particular day though. Ric Six lapsed down where not enough to put Richard Out of the race is we well know. Somehow he made up five of those laps and he passed Dick Brooks and Benny Parsons who were racing for the lead with about twenty laps to go but time was going to run out before he got back to them to hopefully get back on the lead lap and staved. That's where your good friend. Buddy ARRINGTON intersection. Buddy was like fifty laps down after Richard made up his fifth lap. Buddy parked his car on the race. Track CAUTION IN NASCAR decided that he was out of the race in Grove and the race state under great. Well after he made it back to pit road he stopped in his stall he talked to his crew and then he proceeded right back out on the track and parked in the upper groove. Berry and Steve. Hey stay there. Until NASCAR unbelievable car parked on the track and it forces the cautious but it was up to. I don't know the yellow came back out but he went back to the pits and NASCAR promptly park the rest of the day. Well surprise surprise. The rice went back to grain. Richard Pass billion. Dick came back and won the race and kill Yarbrough who finished fourth three laps down in this race. He said in Greg Villains Book. It was a fixed caution flag and tried twice to bring out the caution flag. I've got nothing against paid winning but this race should have been between Brooks and Parsons. Now's lot what they buddy had just bought a Holler from petty enterprises so he was on the hook for. I don't know several thousand dollars or Steve. As you can absolutely imagine Dick Brooks was absolutely fit to be tied. He said Greg's book sometimes. It takes two to win a race. Anybody can do about it. I Guess Eric Trump a four. Well let me explain what happened. But he had been a longtime ally of the page and that's because he drove dodgers just shocked pedestal. So Nassar he got a lot of equipment and material from the enterprise most of its second hand of course so they had an alliance long before the word allies ever used it rented and I think at this particular time buddy with a new track felt someone beholding to the pennies and I think that he went ahead and finished to deal by parking all the tracking allowing Richard to make up those laps and win the race. It was sort of payback. Okay all right well. I have two questions in response to that number one. Do you think that there were taking orders in play? Do you think that Maurice or dilemma or or somebody went down to buddy's pit and said Hey. Can you help us out and number two? Do you think buddy got a discount after that well to answer number one Mauritius also known as chief pennies are ever going to hatch a plot he would be the man Dave chips fall where they may and on the second question Yes sir indeed. But that's the way it was. I mean I'm not. I'm not saying it was right. I'm just saying if happen. And Buddy unintended pettis. We're not the first and they won't be the last to form some kind of strategy relationship that benefits one or both guys and evidently from what Steve Meal said. Travis Carter was many Parsons as crew. Chief had kind of been confrontational after the race and yelled at Richard's crew and everything. So Steve had the potential to be a pretty big fight. Well I'll tell you what may have had the potential but I don't think I would ever take your place and I have one reason why back in those days. You would never find a more even tempered or mailman then Travis car. It'd be hard to say Travis. Lee Getting into fisticuffs with anybody. I think he probably hang hearsay. An figured that's what he wanted to do. And our team hurt and he went on his wife. And that was that being Steve. Another thing that these interviews have done have given us just this awesome and different perspective on events that we otherwise no so well. Steve talked about Maurice Petty's reaction to the finish of the nineteen seventy six daytona five hundred and pull the plug wires. David Pearson's Carter. I don't know how he planned to do that. That would be the enterprises crude run out on the infield grass and start working on David Scar but he also talked about Richard reaction to finding out that kyle had a one one inch spoiler on his Arca car at Daytona and he also talked about watching Richard and Dell inman having that long conversation outside the petty shop in Level Cross where Dale was L. And Richard that. Hey plan believe they had to be long conversations between those two. You're adding know that. After del Left Steve. Becomes the CO crew chief? With Way Thornburgh petty crew member team member worked at the shop. And everything and then Wade says you know what it's all yours. I just WanNa do what I've always done. They win a couple of races but then stave. Khanna talked about some of the same issues that I'll pay did. It was just tough run into cup teams on. May One and Steve eventually leaves. I didn't know that he had ever worked for rice farms and Ron Bouchard and he and dilemma and wound up writing to a race together and Dale says that he's headed up to Hagen racing and Asif Steve wants to tag along there and sure enough. Steve makes and at the end of the nineteen eighty three season. The Budweiser people told Billy. Hagan and Dell inman that. They wanted to go to a championship team and that they didn't think that the Hagan operation was big enough to ban. Yes what who wins the Winston Cup Championship and not eating for Hagan racing and that is the ultimate toby. Keith how do you like me now? Moment and Steve. I think it's pretty telling not only. Did Steve Mail tells the story. But so did Terry Labonte when we talked to him and DEL INMAN did to. That must've gotten their attention. I'll tell you what that story all these years later. Yeah I think that a huge source of pride for all three of those guys no doubt and finally last but not least Steve. How about Steve Meals job interview quote unquote with Junior Johnson? You WanNa tell them where it was. Well they were standing at the urinal in Watkins Glen being up against the wall. Now I I don't know how to say this but I've had some great conversations believe there's a thing called T. much improvise. I tell you. Listeners followed Brian Kelly on instagram and twitter at speedway screens at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot E. T. S. Y. DOT COM Steve Wake. Brian posted some other just amazing pieces from his inventory he posted. I think it was a coma. Ceo is Steve. Grissom CARTOON NETWORK T. SHIRT GRIEF. Yeah I. It's just amazing. The things that Brian has and that he makes a viable so he has basically anything that anybody could want so again. Follow Brian on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and also check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot oetzi Dot Com. That's E. T. S. Y. DOT COM STEVE. The march six nineteen eighty-six issue of grand national saying covered the Rockingham race. That Steve Meal One with Terry Labonte in the spring of nineteen eighty six. And when you and I talked to Terry Labonte Adele Lemon. We asked both of them about Hagan. Racing's financial troubles during that time. And Steve kind of chimed in on that. Too Hagan racing had went to oboe bail for the start of the nineteen ninety six season and olds and Hutchinson Pagan were having trouble keeping up with demand and of course the Hutcherson pay in operation. They were providing a lot of sheet metal until a lot of different teams. Steve needed a car to go to Rockingham and was told. Oh we don't have anything. Just take your show on my talk show car and Steve Telling Terry Labonte is one thing but tell him Bob. Something else. Altogether and Bob was evidently not happy. I think of the concept here. They're giving his son a champion. I show car to race at Rockingham now. The initial reaction cannot be good because as I mentioned earlier show. Cars are pretty close to be an actual race cars. But they're not actual race card. A lot of work done to walk from what Steve Mills said. If Bob is mad the whole family's mad so I guess that's got Martha Lobby Mad. That's got Bobby Mad. That's got whoever mad so they go to Rockingham and engine builder. Ta Tombs He quits at Rockingham. Everybody is mad over the show. Car and Terry Tixx. It sits on the pole with a track record speed and he wins the race going away. That is something right out of Hollywood. That's all and I really liked the lead paragraph in your story on this race you wrote that day having to do a little more than shift into fourth gear and steer Terry Labonte Cooley one. Today's Goodrich five hundred Nascar West Cup race at North Carolina Motor speedway having today little more than shift into fourth gear and steer. That's pretty elegant prose. Wouldn't you say that was pretty good? That was pretty good on the flop. Sure nobody should ever say that. Wayne is easy. But Terry and Steve and the rest of the haggen racing team sure made it. Look that way Terry led three hundred and six of four hundred ninety two laps including two hundred and fifty six the final two hundred seventy laps and he led the last fifty seven circuits. Having to do little then shift into fourth. Harry gant was coming after Terry. Pretty hard at the end but Jerry was able to beat Harry gant to the finish line by about a second that ed about four car like so Yeah Harry. Gant was coming after him but Terry had been strong all day and he said in your lead. I haven't had a car work as well as mine did today. In a long time it worked super all day long. We made a few chassis adjustments early in the race but in all it was probably the best grand national car I have ever had for an entire race and there was plenty of evidence for that. I'm going to probably have to go back and check with chase whitaker on this but the win was the charge for Oldsmobile. Sets Buddy Baker's nineteen eighty victory at Talladega and it was also the first for Terry Labonte since de Lemon was let go late this season before and this is something that I didn't remember. Steve was probably considered the crew chief but he was evidently considered to be part of a three person directorate at the head of that team. That also included. Bobby Labonte. Terry's dad and Pete right so he was evidently attained effort there. I never heard of that situation before. Didn't know it existed. Well you wrote this rice late. I it straight from your race late every word you've ever written. Yup I sure do I. Don't that at all Terry. Labonte said in this race lead. We never have one person. Call all the shots. We get a lot of input from different places. We all work together. I might say let's try something and we'll do it or Steve or Pete might have an idea. We worked together to get the CAR. Set up the way we want at a race. Track and stave the best. I can tell there was no mention of the car. That Terry drove that day being a show car. Well I'm sure I didn't mention my store because I sure didn't know it. I mean and that makes us achievement even that much more remarkable steve as always this issue included a couple of pages of notes from Rockingham. It included a sidebar on Richard Petty and Morgan Shepherd who finished third and fourth respectively. But as I mentioned an Intro. The major news in this issue was the fallout from the late rice. Fracas EARNHARDT Darrell Waltrip. The wake before in Richmond Jin Grainger's commentary on page four. Got Things started. He got pinched are not gene gene wrote in his commentary. What NASCAR has done to driver? Dale Earnhardt car owner Richard childress and sponsor wrangler is one of the greatest injustices of all time childress. Winston Salem North Carolina team is getting much bad publicity. It doesn't deserve earnhardt may be overly aggressive But he didn't try to wreck. Darrell waltrip any more than that. Come on now. I don't know about that. Jean must've been watching the different race than I thought whereas usual gene comes right out and says what he wants to say and make direct point out of it. You can't deny does that no way not like it. He doesn't hold anything back but he didn't try to rake. Darrell waltrip anymore than I did. Your column in this issue mentioned fating. Gwynne oversaw the wrangler sponsorship. And he told about getting a call from a guy who got up the morning after the race it promptly threw six wrangler shirts an eight or nine para wrangler jeans on his way to work now. That was a pretty expensive protest. Absolutely boy does it ever illustrate it. Exactly how that guy? But fainting went on to say that Wrangler had had presidents of corporations call us and say they don't know why we are still sponsoring a guy like Dale but we are one hundred percent behind him. He said it was an accident and we believe him. That's all there is to it and he made his point. Didn't they stay the day after the race? Dale was fined five thousand dollars required to post a ten thousand dollar bond and hey was placed on probation for the rest of the year. And I think it's important to remember that this took place in just the second race of the season so he was GonNa be on probation for the rest of the year. That's right NASCAR is being very heavy and here. Well wait this breaking news in a sidebar. That took up half of the first page of the Rice Lake. Now when something like that happened it was major news for it to take up half of the first page of the race which stores got a lot of space. There was a story about how Dale's fine had been reduced to three thousand dollars and the probation dropped after his appeal. Tau About that. Yes deals appeal was heard at the Douglas International Airport in Charlotte. I was there. I was there trying to get into that. I want to try to give a driver a tape recorder going into one of those agents. And how did that go yeah? It didn't turn out well. I didn't get tape of aiding but hey whatever but fails appeal was heard at the Douglas Airport in Charlotte and during the Mating. Deo presented a character reference. That he said was signed by more than twenty people in racing including Bud. Moore Ricky Rudd Bobby and Davey. Allison that's another good red bomber Rod Bachar Randy Dorton Harry Hodge James Hilton and Johnny Hayes. Who is the motor sports director at? Us tobacco whether it seems like they'll really meant business with that. Don't you think yeah? He was bringing out the big guns and although his fine was reduced. Dale still wasn't satisfied. He said in this story they have reduced the fine. But I'm thinking about appealing again. I'm not guilty of intentionally wrecking Dera. Walter I tried to get them to tell me if I was guilty or innocent when I was informed of the decision because I thought we had the mating to prove that I was innocent of the action. They say I took. I still say I'm innocent. And I think that I may appeal to a higher level whereas you know what that means. It sounded like he was going to give all Punky Newton. A Call Nascar National Commissioner. Yeah but evidently that appeal was denied and he eventually did have to pay the three thousand dollars and stayed. There was yet another story in this issue and this one included further reaction from Dale. But it also included. Darrell WALTRIP STOUTE'S K. What scene was nothing? If not complete during those well you had to be brushing only place to get the news. I didn't know about this. But according to Dale Daryl had actually rammed into his car after the accident. I did not know that because you see that car. After the race and the throwback race that they showed on Fox last week he's sitting in that car and that car is used up. That car is very used up so I didn't know that it was even possible for it to move but evidently for Dale said. Dow Ran into him. Hats all new to me. Yeah and Dale said in this story. Darryl got into me after the race I was going through traffic and he got beside me. He looked right at me and then turned ride which slammed into the wall and turn one. He said I've got sore ribs and a sore leg. I thought that was pretty intentional. But after the race NASCAR finds me saying that I made the intentional move and there were also reports that Dale had flipped. Dwi off at some point which he denied he said. I have never made an obscene gesture at anybody on the race track. I shook my best at Darul after. He got me sideways one time but I never made an obscene gesture. Here's an observation about all this early entails career Correc- and this is where he was basically making his drive to being a superstar in sport. But sometime while doing that he would get into mix ups like this one and that polarized fans at the time as we've just seen some some of them thought he was despicable and some thought he was a hero. He was a real racer but they were not polarized to the point where Dale was an icon likely later became listen to turn this building and there was not universally popular. Ask for Darrell Waltrip. Hey said I am surprised? It has gone on this long building up since last year. Not Between Dell. Now though it's Sorta like the first time you hear a two year old say a nasty word everyone says oh how cute inside signing two year old has a big vocabulary. You don't know how to stop it. You know I sort of lifetime. That's what I compare it to. All of this has been some sort of joke until now it has gotten out of hand and I think Nascar Fine del Richmond not only for that but for all of the things he did before and then the writer of this story which was you asked about hitting Dale after the wreck. Darrell Waltrip basically pin that on Dale to. He said well I would never pass a car. That was dragging all four tires. Especially if I was the guy who made them flat. I was trying to cross the finish line. I wasn't trying to hit him. You can talk with the guys in my crew. I didn't have any steering but although I didn't try to hit him. I didn't try to stop our ride into the guard rail and just kept going until stopped if I were Dale. I don't believe I would have gotten between the guardrail and the car. And then there were the letters to the editor and you know that was many many many people's favorite pars the entire paper and there were so many about this incident that it took up the letters to the editor section on page four and then it jumps to the back of the paper where it was a full page and not only that there was a note that said that they would run some more wealth. Chavez letters Geneva need to read because they straight they illustrate absolutely what have been saying about Dale at that time about having split the fans thinking Sylvia J. Warton from central station South Carolina. Said it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they kicked out of NASCAR altogether. El Howl of Milton. Florida said isn't it a shame that not one NASCAR official has the fortitude to outlaw driver that conducts himself in the criminal manner. Shot does on the race track. I liked to John. E Dawson of Lawrenceburg Indiana. Wrote in and said if Dallas Fan club president is rating this. Then he or she can take my name off the list. Because I resign forceful opinions from people who don't like their other hand on the other hand. There were those who supported Dale and Syr Borough of North Carolina capitalist North Carolina a hometown. Favorite there and said Darrell. Waltrip did after the race was worse than what happened all day but no one saved to notice that if they find Dale why not darryl or junior Johnson pulling the strings at Nascar pretty staff stuff. There Patrick Bergen of Johnson Creek. Wisconsin said. I went out Monday and bought. Two pair of Wrangler is the port of EARNHARDT. So that may be made up a little bit for the other guy who went out and threw out I was gonNA say maybe the guy found that first from him rather than buying you want. And Steve Don Hunt of Whitman massachusets. He was on both sides of the fence. He was mad at everybody. Don wrote in and said what's happening. Are these two bimbos trying to reduce stockcar racing to the same level time wrestling and Steve? Moving on into this issue. We've talked about Darrell Waltrip in daugaard. We have talked about Buddy Parrott and guard. We've talked about Donnie Allison daugaard. We've talked about Bobby Allison daugaard. We've talked about Ricky Rudd daugaard and this week. It's Robert Daugaard. Robert left the tame a couple of days before the Daytona five hundred that year in granger set out trying to find him. It took Jane a couple of weeks to track him down when he did. He discovered that Robert had taken a job with a company. In Greenville South Carolina that was involved in synthetic fuel research and development. So Robert was. Outta rice in all together and I did not know that Robert said about leaving daugaard Manley. I couldn't stay with that program any longer. My contract gave me three weeks vacation. I never took a day. I worked every Saturday Mo- Sundays and lots of knots. They couldn't get any more out of me. I would just as soon be dead as to try to go another day. That's a strong strong statement about off guard and it reflects the working conditions at dot com. Not very well by the way. And of course Roberts attorneys had advised him not to talk directly to Biller. Jim Garner things have been going bad since the November before. And that's when Robert started trying to look around trying to figure out a way to leave. He said I knew it would only be a matter of time before I left. I also told the rest of the guys in the engine shop to find other jobs. I had hired Larry Wallace to work on some special projects. It soon became obvious we weren't going to have the money to do. The projects Larry came to me one day and reminded me that. Hey signed a four year contract today these projects. I asked him to stay and help us get the Daytona. We worked almost around the clock just to build engines to sail. Larry helped us get to tone then. He left the company right. There was enough to make me WANNA quit. Larry was the key to my business. We built twenty one engines about their tone. I'm hopeful we had five or six customers down there. Twenty one engine stay Juno. That was night and day worked that Steve the straw that broke the camel's back accord. Robert took place the Thursday before the Daytona five hundred Robert was in the Holler and and Bill Gardner and Sammy Davis. Who was helping. Willy t ribbs at the time told him that he needed to build some. Ford Engines for Willy T to go test in Atlanta in a couple of weeks and stave. According to Robert they didn't have a single four-part or pace to build a Ford engine but Robert said that he told Gardner Ambau Navis the Heywood build them and the engine if they came up with the money. And that's a mighty big if yeah well. He called one of the engine builders and told him to start working on a Ford engine and this guy refused and Robert fired him Larry. Wallis was already gone and Robert was absolutely beat to death and Robert said in this story when Nascar officials told US Friday afternoon to put down our tolls and go home for the day. I'll tell Robin Pemberton. Who was the team's crew chief at the time and the other guys on the team that I was going on to Charlotte and I wasn't coming back and I don't blame yeah. Robert drove home. He cleaned out his locker at daugaard called the fuel company the synthetic fuel company and told them that he was available and by the time the gardeners got back from Daytona. On Tuesday. Every single person in the shop had quit except for one has about rock bottom right there. And there's even a short sidebar. That said that Jim Gardner. Bill's brother had also left the team and he was replaced by Ralph Moody of the Holman and Moody. Wow Yeah as the team's general manager so Steve. The bottom line is this things. Were not looking good. For one of the most successful teams in Nascar in the late not taste seventies and early eighties. No that was clearly obvious by this time. Bill Gardner was not happy about what had taken place he was quoted in Jin granger story. Why didn't Yates come in and tell me he was unhappy. How bag had something bay for a guy to leave under those circumstances. I don't think that was playing fair with may or the rest of the team. He led us all down while I disagree. I think that Bill Gardner and his finances being what they were at the time and the working conditions e provided at the time were very much at fault. Garner continued and he said. I'm here to stay in Winston Cup. Racing Way will be filling those vacant positions as soon as possible and business will be as usual. All I can. Add is that were still in business and we plan to Bay for many years to come. Yeah right well. I will say this daugaard wound up running thirteen races in nineteen eighty six including three starts to D. N. cues and to withdrawals with Willy T RIBBS and Steve. I'M GONNA go out on a limb here way out on lamb and I'm just gonNa say this. There is a documentary on Willy t ribbs. That's available on Netflix. It's called UPPITY and it paints Robert in a very very very very bad lot. And Willie t basically talks about the engine trouble. That daugaard was having kind of hints that it was Roberts doing and wonders why Robert didn't come to the track to help solve the problem. Willy t ribbs said in this documentary that Watkins Glen was a rice that hand. The garners thought that he could one because he has road racing background. But the team wound up withdrawing from that event after blow and four engines which will not called the final Straw and he never attempted to run NASCAR again however this issue date is in March and the Watkins Glen Race was hailed in August. So Robert wasn't even working for the team when Watkins Glen rolled around. So there's that right about that time. He had opened his own shop. Robert Yates Engine Development Steve. I don't know that he provided any engines for Digordon. Willy T ribbs. I can't imagine that he would have given. There are working relationship but the fact is Robert. Yates was not working for guard. Rising right daugaard racing was already on very very precarious footing when this happened so I don't know take that for what it's worth. Well let me tell you this Where he ripped problems with Dia Guard go far beyond just engines and alley at after three races with Jeff swindale behind the wheel in nineteen eighty seven the team folded and there was no more guard and Robert Gates had actually signed a ten year contract with daugaard in November nineteen eighty-four. So you consider everything that took place for Robert. During those ten years that would been nineteen eighty four through the end of the nineteen ninety four season. So what would have happened? To Davey Allison's career had it not been for Robert Gates and thankfully it turned out the way it did both four David and Robert. Finally Steve Finely Steve. This issue is forty six pages. I think we're on your everyone for. I don't know how long now but finally there's a piece on David Pearson's plans for the future. David was helping his son. Larry's Busch series program and Larry did go on to win the Bush Series Championship in. Not at six and and not. Today's seven David said I don't feel I have any goals I feel I have to achieve. I think through the years I've done everything they did to do. Except maybe win some more. You never get tired of winning. Because that is what racing is all about. It's been a long since I wanna race of almost forgotten what it feels like. I wouldn't be in this at all if I didn't feel I could win again. David wound up running. Just a couple of races not terribly six one at Charlotte and the other Michigan where he finished tenth or lap down Bryce Winter Bill Elliott and he did consider a comeback in nineteen eighty nine but because of his back issues did not actually rice in nineteen eighty nine so these two races in nineteen eighty six or the final was the cup races of his career. I think one of the reasons that Davis career ended like it did was not necessarily because he lacked And I do agree. Had many goals to achieve I think is back. Problems were far worse than the public ever knew. In fact I call him up one day not long after Ray Ray steady dot finish. Not just because of the car are how bad it was there. Anything of that nature but how hard the pain struck him. And I said I told him. Hey Dave this is stephen before I say another word he said I just can't finish a race anymore so that told me exactly how strong the situation. Wise Com lake speed. You're listening to the scene. Vault podcast Steve. Brian Greene laughed. I review on our facebook page. He said I absolutely love this show. I tunes wouldn't let me leave a second comment to update that. I have long since caught up and listened to every episode. I'll at Ford to the release every week. The reverence you show for. The history of our sport is unmatched. Thank you for all you do. Thank you sir. Thank you Brian for those very kind words again. We have had so many reviews and so many comments and they all basically down to this. This show is about jogging people's memories and women. Some of the good comes that is sport has had offer and a few of the bad times at this board has had to offer but we are all about paying respect to those who have come before us and who have been a part of making this or what it is today and and again way recorded this episode remotely and had a couple of issues that we overcome but we are going to continue for as long as this virus lockdown takes place and then of course we're going to get back together face to face and we're going to keep going absolutely we are going to keep going. We're not going to say a virus stop us and I don't want to fans to have a virus. Stop them either. Stay safe. Anti-china yourself. How is that stay with everything so far? How'd you it? Yeah I think it's good I do wish I I will say this. I wish that there was a video option. It helps your helps you react. Look at other depressions everything that yet. But we'll get used to.

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School Sports Return and ACLU Works on Legislative Police Reform

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School Sports Return and ACLU Works on Legislative Police Reform

"From Radio Vermont. It's the Dave Ramsey Show on wdev. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most to you. Now, here's your host Dave Graham. Good morning. Vermont is Friday, September 25th, 2020 and and a full show lined up for you today. Thanks very much for tuning in. We're going to be speaking first with Bob Johnson of the Vermont principals Association. That is the association that manages interscholastic Sports in Vermont. And we're going to find out the impacts on Fall School sports of an announcement this week by governor Scott and Secretary of Education then French that schools can relax there restrictions on Sports to to a good degree and actually get games underway starting this weekend off in the second half hour. We're going to be speaking with Matt Dickinson. He's a political science professor at the Middlebury College and now we're going to be getting Matt thoughts about Recent developments in political and election news will be checking in with him about 9:35. And then after the top of the hour will be speaking with our one of our national correspondent Bob Ney who joins an amateur writing and finally in the ladder power cords the last 45 minutes or so of the show this morning going to have an interesting conversation. I think with alcohol chilling of the Vermont ACLU about legislation affecting police reform in the state and that'll that'll come it's around 15 or so. Let's get right into our conversation first though. We have we have Bob Johnson with us from the Vermont principals Association and good morning Bob. I am I'm I'm thinking you're on the phone with us, right? I'm on the phone with you Dave. How are you this morning? I'm doing well. Thanks for joining me and hey big news this week on the schools. Front and I'm sure this is something that people will we're waiting for a tell us what you heard and and how you think it's going to go. We've been waiting. Decision to move schools from snap to to step 3 because step three is the spot where it allows Sports to start playing games. We were told to be ready, you know for a fact ultimate on Tuesday that it looks like, you know, we were going to get permission to do so and sure enough on Tuesday secretary French announced that we'd be moving to step 3, as of Saturday this coming Thursday as of tomorrow the 26th. So for schools, that was great news because they were ready to go and we're going to begin when I was wondering about the ready to go part because I know the typical in the fall Sports, you know, people think probably first of football that certainly on a nationwide basis is probably the biggest fall Sport and and and oftentimes so teams start practicing and and sort of working out and getting in shape and all that sort of thing way back in, you know, July and August over the summer getting ready for the fall season hath Been happening to any degree or the kids are actually ready and in shape. Oh, yeah, I mean they screamed were practicing as of September 8th, you know, the first thing that schools came back into session was the first day that we were allowed to start practices. So they've been practicing they were also allowed to do inter-squad scrimmage has during that time too. So basically they were ready to go. The only thing they hadn't been able to do a job have any sort of live competition with another school. Okay, and let's see aside from football. The other fall Sports were thinking about let's do we have some soccer game on right? We have soccer. We have field hockey. We have volleyball which is actually being played Outdoors. They cannot be played indoors. We also have Thursday off and we have bass fishing. And cross-country running. Okay, and then you know, I've got confessed. I wasn't even really aware that bass fishing was an interscholastic sport in Vermont. That's how many schools participated bad that one we have over 20 schools over the last three years and has just been an absolutely tremendous sport, you know support from the best fishing combat and right now have over 20 schools that have teams. Wow, that's that's fascinating. That's somehow escaped my notice and so I always or frequently say I learned something new on this show just about everyday life. So in the in the case of something like football or soccer or uh, I see I was looking at a VT Digger story about all this and it indicated that the students who were playing I you know, they're actually out on the field and in the middle of a play they're expected to be wearing masks, right? That is correct. Eight all students have to wear masks while they're playing the game. Yeah, and and our coaches worried about that. I mean I sort of have had inklings in people making comments. I see I see online and so on about bow masks and sometimes allegedly impede breathing. Obviously, you're breathing really hard. If you're at trying to beat somebody down the down the sideline with a football game and tell me about that. Well, you know, are there some concerns? Yes, there are you know, there is a medical waiver that is allowed in someone has a documented a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask that is allowed. You know, the type of mass that that people have can affect the type of breathing and there are all sorts of different kinds of masks, you know, we've recommended not to be at least to fly mask, but they can usually be made out of cloth and you know, we've talked to a lot of students who have been out there and you know at the very beginning was it uncomfortable. Yes, but as they said The choice was you know that we wear a mask or we not play the game. We will wear the mask because they wanted they wanted to play the game and that was that was a decision that came out from the state. You know that we took we didn't have a lot to say in to that. We are going to go with masks. That's a Metro some dedication to the game to buy these young people. They clearly want to play and if they're saying well if we have to wear masks where we will do that as you say, we're not going to not going to give up the game just because of this little impediment. So well, I will have to see how it goes. Obviously. I think people are probably waiting to see you know, what the results will be in terms of will kids keep the masks on and and is there any you know, you get a you get a penalty for roughing the passer. Is there any penalty charge for having your match come up? Well, you know, we're trying to use commonsense. I mean, I understand exactly what you're saying Dave and and you know, we're trying to use commonsense and for instance wage goalie is down at one end of the field and the play is down at the other end of the field and the goalie takes the mask off for a second to wipe their face or whatever. That's not going to be a big deal if the question comes down. Whether they purposely try and take it off and purposely don't want to wear it. Then there are there are some penalties that can be built into it, but we really don't want to go there. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, obviously you hope that everybody will comport with whatever the rules are because that's that's an important part of any sport. And so it's it's get going to be going to be a month stating Fast and Furious for for fall Sports. I know that some of the schools are on these sort of partial schedules and you know, you've got to have a case where it's Tuesday afternoon and half your team is in the building and have your team is at home doing distance learning. How will that work in terms of I mean the logistics of getting the kids on a bus for a travel to another school for a game they'll just have to get themselves to the school building or how will that will all work? Well, that's that's up to the local schools to decide how they're handling that God can was one of the big issues that schools had to deal with because not only do you have to deal with the issue of of getting the kids there and putting them on a bus to take them to a game. But also how do you maintain social this? Referencing on a bus when you've got potentially, you know twenty to Thirty students that are on the bus with you, you know, there are some schools that have come up with some Creative Solutions in some cases. They're having parents took two games and other cases they're taking multiple buses. So that is something the local school district had to deal with Yeah, and and are there any school districts which are saying we don't think we can swing this? You know, we're just going to sit out the season or whatever. I'm only aware of one school system that has said that she actually is in your neck of the woods Green Mountain Valley School recently notified us that they would just going to sit out the fall that they normally they played girls and boys soccer. Mom also did some cross-country running but they've decided not to participate but that is the only school that I'm aware of. Wow, that's gotta be just waiting for the kids the kids who are we're going to be participating in sports there. I don't know if you know, but another big school activity that people have often said would be mightily curtailed this fall in would evolved Performing Arts particular music because you know, if you're singing in a choir, you know, typically your your page and right next to the people on either side of you and you're all sitting here shaking your hearts out and and lots of lots of particles, you know, leaving your mouth normally and Etc and then of course with faith in in band, you know, a lot of the wind instruments, you know, there's a lot of Articles coming out of a trombone player spit ski occasionally any news on that front know but you hear that you had a big issue. Because a lot of people don't even think about that but the Fine Arts whether it's You Know Drama whether it is music whether it is band chorus, whatever. Yeah, they're all being impacted by that, you know, there are guidelines that are going out to try and show how you can reduce, you know, some of the emissions that you've got, but it's a big issue and you know, some schools already made decisions not to have school plays or School concerts this year. Yeah. I don't hear a lot about that, but I know it is a big issue. Yeah, it's got to be tough to play a clarinet with a mask over your face. I don't know. I don't think it's possible but I shouldn't laugh because again. Is you know these these kids they put their hearts and soul whether it's music or sports or whatever in into these activities. And and it's Miley Gotta Be You Know seriously disappointing if your boss see a senior and you would thought you were going to have your last year of band or whatever it is and you're maybe you're going to play a solo in one of the classes this year or something and all of a sudden it's not happening and that's that's that's sad, you know in this an unfortunate unfortunate thing twice a certain situation, you know, when a lot of people look back at you know, what happened back in March, you know, when we started having, you know, the finals of the girls basketball season canceled and then all of a sudden you had the spring Sports canceled then all of a sudden you had graduations canceled, you know, it's it's been very strong. This is totally unprecedented. You know, this is you know, I told people in a lot of interviews and what they don't understand is a lot of the time schools are making this stuff up in terms of how do you deal with it? Because we don't have any sort of past history to go on. It's been totally unprecedented. Yeah, there's no one no planner guide book or whatever on the Shelf you can hold down and say what are we doing? A pandemic? It has been a bought. You know, I think I think most people can agree there for my life in general has been handling this stuff amazingly. Well, I actually did a little math the other day and figured out that if the United States had the same per capita death rate from viruses Vermont had we defend nationally about thirty thousand deaths instead of the two hundred thousand figure. We have passed last video the other day that I am has done a great job. I think the governor I think dr. Levine, I think all the people that are dealing with this have done a great job and I know it's frustrating for some people and I know a lot of people look at us and see what you have one of the lowest rates. So, you know, why can't we do the following things? Well, you know, you've got to be very very conservative on this. You know what people fail to remember are a lot of people Family members back when this first started, you know, there were some deaths that came out of a game at the University of Vermont that were directly related to covid-19. So I mean, this has some serious serious consequences off, so I would might try to be on the side of being conservative and and dealing with it than not being conservative. Yeah, no, no need to take unnecessary risks. That is for sure. Of course, you know one of the hard things where you were saying, there's no instruction book on how this thing really works or what do it's sometimes hard to figure out what is what is risk and and what is intolerable risk? And so I mean any certainly contacts moored football basketball hockey You Name It song has some degree of risk, you know kids get hurt and so on but this is a different level and so make sure makes for some very very tough decision making and so on Bob, you know, what page of the big matchups are coming up this weekend know to be honest. I don't because schools have been scrambling we thought that the announcement was going to say they could start on Monday, but when they announced it on a Saturday many schools that already canceled their games for the week, you know, I know one of the games I'm going to visit this week is I know Lyndon is playing Spalding over at Spalding in football, but I don't know any of the other specific. Schedules that are going on. Yeah, that's that that should be interesting match up there to to of Vermont's larger high schools. I'm sure they they're going to Fields good teams and so forth. Which day is that Saturday? I gather that's on Saturday. I'm not sure what the time is, you know part of the problem that we We started rescheduling all these games for Saturday. You've got to make sure that you have officials for the games and a lot of games ever supposed to be played on Friday or Friday night. And you know, when they when they tried to roll over into Saturday that created some problems. Yeah. I see actually, yeah, typically Friday night is a big night for for especially for football in the fall off and the and I suppose if the announcement came down you could start on Saturdays a lot of schools are probably left scratching their heads. Well, what do we do? Can we move Friday night's game to Saturday or Thursday et cetera. Why not just roll it back to Friday night. That we know that wasn't our decision, you know, the decision was announced by the state and we we just have to go with what they said. Yeah. Okay Mom and obviously anytime you're going to start up something like that the you can ask the question why not the day before but so it's it is a little bit arbitrary, but the that's the choice of the state and and sure enough the the schools around Vermont are getting ready to try to follow it. Let me ask you about what you're hearing from the kids and their coaches. I mean, I'm thinking about you know the kids. If they're watching the NBA Playoffs will say in some of them might be saying, you know, Jaylen Brown isn't wearing a mask explain for the Celtics or or you know, Anthony Davis and the Lakers. None of those guys are wearing masks what we have why do we have to wear a mask? I mean, is there is there do you wish there were an example being set by the pros here that that might make it a little easier to take for the high school kids. Well, I think what people forget about the pros is that especially when you talk about basketball they created in our Official environment and you know, they created the bubble, you know down in Florida and no one's allowed in, you know, you can't have anyone visiting you you can't have any fans at the game. You can have, you know, any of these things and they're going through a testing process too. So in a way it's a it's a little bit unfair when you look at them because yeah, they're not wearing masks but they're also in an artificial environment off. Okay that was created just to deal with covid-19 and that's not something that we have obviously. Yeah, that's true. That's that is a huge difference. You can't really create a bubble in Vermont. If you talk kids who were you know, still mainly students and only partly are they are these athletes and and so they you know, it's just not it's an ash and oranges comparison, but I but I can imagine just in terms of the the the role modeling or whatever, you know must be I don't know must be a little bit a little bit tough, but I I gather people wage. Able to figure out that the distinctions in the difference there. Actually, I saw at the game the other night there was talk about how Gordon Hayward of the Celtics had a his wife. Just had a baby son. I guess they had three daughters previously and Hayward can't leave the bubble and go visit his wife and newborn child because to come back he'd have to be quarantined and and more games and so on and so forth. So so I guess it's a little bit like being away in the military overseas or something. When your when your your spouse gives birth. That's a very tough situation and it's a may be just a little as that's a little bit of that flavor for for somebody like a Gordon Hayward at the Celtics. I don't know tough situation there. Bob Johnson, I'm wondering if you were your thoughts about looking forward to to Winter and even spring Sports. I know you guys do a lot of planning and and I guess I'm just thinking do you expect that? The same standards will apply in the winter seasons basketball and hockey and so on on or or do you think you hope that there'll be further further loosening of restrictions and maybe people can they can play without masks or what are we thinking? Well, as of right now the governor has a task force that took off at The Fall season, and they also have one that's taking a look at the winter season and that one has just started to meet. You know, it's only met a couple of times. So, you know, there will be some guidelines coming out for the winter just like we do in the office and we did in the fall. I mean, I think obviously the hope is is that as we go through the year that the guidelines become less and less rigid, you know in that hopefully, you know at some point we have a vaccine you suck. That you know might help us get back to some sort of normalcy, perhaps as you know in the springtime during the winter. I don't see that that happening and I think we're going to come out with a series of guidelines through this fax Force that'll probably pretty similar to what we're looking at right now. The only difference is is that in the winter. Most of our sports are indoors, you know, we do have open seating in Nordic skiing and snowboarding went to be in pretty good shape. I think for the outside but indoors presents a whole nother situation because of the circulation of air and I don't know exactly you know, how it's going to come out the task force that the governor has is made up of a few people from the vpa, but it's made also up of doctors. It's made up of people from different cabinets with the governor. So it's made up of a large group of people and you know, one of the things that we found out in the fall is that there's different levels of decision-making. The past four starts first with the recommendations that it goes to the governor's restart commission, then it goes potentially to dr. Levine and then it goes to the governor for final approval. So it'll be interesting to see how it works out. Already will have to keep an eye on it. Bob Johnson of the Vermont principals Association. You've been there really formative this morning. I appreciate you participating here. Thank you so much. Not a problem Dave anytime. All right. Hey, we are fast approaching the bottom of the hour and we're going to go to a CBS News minute very shortly. I just want to mention before we do that that don't forget after today's edition of grand Show starting a little bit after 11:00 this morning. 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Good morning. Glad to be with you. Hey, so lots of big news over the last few days. Let's let's roll the roll the clock back a little bit a week ago. It was that the Ruth Bader Ginsburg died and the course. She's lying in state today at the US Capitol first woman, I guess to do that and first Jewish person, we found the CBS report this morning. She really has has been somebody who's been an inspiration to many Americans. What do you think? Yeah, I think you're getting a sense that just the impact. She's had not just as a jurist Justice on the Supreme Court, but really a lifelong advocacy using the law to Thursday gender-based inequalities and as actually is really a role model and I think the recognition of her lying-in-state signifies the the importance she is off to that debate, which of course is ongoing. You know how that's decided who who gets to lie in state. I mean I heard on the news this morning that they would be the second Supreme Court Justice to have had that honor. She the previous one having been William Howard Taft who of course also was president and I'm wondering what who decides off. The person will be vastly honored. I have no idea. I mean obviously it is it important did you end it'll get advise something important but you know, the fact is the first woman I should yeah that is and you know, when when I often times when that kind of Mark a progress comes about my question is what was what took so long, but he'll exactly that's exactly right. You know, I mean here we are and starting 20 right never have any more early it's of important than a woman that deserved a lot in the date and the capital but it does say something about the gender inequality in this country. Yeah, and and and and also maybe that now maybe I mean I guess I guess the change here is is I think more sudden than it may seem on a day-to-day basis or something. I'm not sure how many but putting that very very clearly or anything. But you know just a month ago. We were we were observing the hundredth anniversary of the of women's suffrage wage. We had a couple of programs here on the day of grand show devoted to that and and and again that question came up what what took so long why not until not until nineteen twenty did women have the right to vote in this country and and and really a hundred years is not that long a time to elapse, you know, this is one of the one of the leading suffragists actually was my my dad's aunt and so it's only you know a couple Generations in in my my family that dog These people talk about Betty, you know, and and and it just it kind of brought home to me how I guess I don't know how how fast a hundred years goes by never won and number two how how huge change this is I mean back in those days women were were still considered to be men's property pretty much weren't they? Yeah, I mean and we should be clear here the fight that Ruth Bader Ginsburg fought for equality is not over think about Vermont are off Channel delegation our Statewide offices. We've had one woman Governor. But otherwise, we're sorely underrepresented compared to other states in terms of gender equality and election office. You think about Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you know, it's the nineteen seventies and she's arguing before The Supreme Court on cases even in the Supreme Court the Virginia Military Institute decision that she authored choice, you know, allowing women to attend the military academy and be that happened within two decades. So what you think about representation in Congress more generally women are often vastly under-represented in Congress still so there's still a long way to go. Yeah, I think I mean in the case of Vermont's Congressional Delegation. There is one anomaly which of course is just that these the three people there have been around for a long time. And and of course the last I think the last I was talking about this on the show month or so ago. I think when this whole question came up the last couple of women do to age really Mount serious campaigns for the for the US House seat where I think of Martha rainville in in 06 of Susan Sweetser, I think a decade earlier both Republican and increasingly Democratic State and so just I mean, there's there's some other factors here that way in aside from aside from just gender. But I mean should they should this be a reason that maybe a lady or Sanders or even a Welch should think about retiring and make make room for an up-and-coming woman who might want to run for one of our three seats in Washington? Well, you know the we've done some studies in political science on the impact of gender on winning elections and interestingly enough when women Run for the house or the Senate they do about as well as men. The problem is they just don't run as frequently and one reason is because they're not asked they're not in networks. They're not in the you know fishing grounds where unlike men or and the other thing they don't do is they don't volunteer men are quite comfortable I'm saying. Hey, you should nominate me for this office the women are off or waiting to be asked and they're not asked they're not in networks. So I think it starts really earlier. It's not just a question of lady or well source and you're stepping down to make room for women. It's Chrome developing a feeder line by getting women involved in politics in equal numbers of men at these lower levels, and we really have to change the Norms that govern recruitment. Yeah, that's that clearly and I I sort of have wondered whether Mollee Gray was running for lieutenant governor in the Democratic ticket. This year might be somewhat of an example of of what you just talked about being, you know, an effort being undertaken there. And and again, I'm I don't want to I don't want to to sort of promote any kind of tokenism here or whatever or she obviously is a is a thoughtful and articulate person who has a lot a lot of ideas for what you would do with these Lieutenant governor's office and so on but you do almost get a sense that that that that old standard of kind of recruiting a younger politician who would run for, you know, a lower office obviously than US senator Congress that's happening in this case and maybe that's a sign of the Log Jam starting to clear. I don't know. What do you think? Well, she really attracted a lot of notice coming out of nowhere with little political experience and ran almost Flawless campaign. I thought for the Democratic nomination for lieutenant governor, but she's also running into some bumps. Now. If you saw the recent VPR Paul, she's running neck-and-neck with Scott Mill now Scott Miller has some name recognition here, but it is a reminder that is an endemic feel for her sure. And one of the things I think she's going to get pushed on is articulating a little more detail about her policy stances, you know, Debra Ingram came out and back to school milnes the candidate from the other party so she convinced everybody. But yeah, I think you're right. It is a sign of a sort of the broadening of the the recruitment pool here may have a listener calling Fred from Newbury what's going on Fred? Yeah, I never thought of this question, but you know, I studied history when I was in high school and sort of thing. They always talked about the founding fathers. Now that I'm old, what would the country look like if it was the founding mothers? Wow, you want to take that one Matt? Well, so I can't answer that but I can do there's been studies made and does it make any difference that we elect women the Congress off and the answer is yes, they push different policies. Their agenda is focus is much more on legislation that protects the more socially vulnerable in society Health Care education and so on. So, yeah, I think it was it wasn't made a big difference. But you know, this is one of those if the Germans Superman was a Nazi with the office us has discovered Kryptonite with the Manhattan Project that you can go and all sorts of there's some good speculation for you Fred. Thanks for the call. Hey, I got to move along. But but matter I wanted to ask you speaking of the found the founding in the Constitution and this sort of structure of our democracy and so on the page. At this week came out with a with his remarks basically saying that the election is looking like it might be a fraud to him and that would have to wait and see whether he seeds to you know, if he were going to be defeated by Joe Biden would he would he agree to leave office? How big a deal is that? Well, you know, we've had crisis before and which there's disputed elections 1876. Mm. Of course, you've lived through you covered. We somehow muddle through this and I suspect wage. There's a possibility of we don't know who one right after November 3rd and maybe some ballot-counting going on. There may be a dispute between the popular vote and the Electoral College job. I'm not too worried that somehow we're going to slip into authoritarianism. You know, I think Donald Trump is a masturbating the press and this is his latest effort could do that to dominate news coverage in the press as you know, dutifully as March right along to his beat now that this is a new story and I understand why they're speculating but I I tend to be a little less worried about this than other aspects of the election. What are the other aspects of the election that were you more? Well, I'm I think the split between the Electoral College and the popular vote which we saw in two thousand and two thousand and sixteen even though you know, whoever wins Electoral College vote is the legitimate president wage. It just lends an air of illegitimacy to the guy who lost the popular vote or the woman as the case might be and it just I think it emboldens political opponents to spend the next two years re-litigating the art the election rather than focusing on governing so I do kind of worried about that. I mean do you think that some of what happened in 2016 or was part of the litigation of the election due to you know, alleged meddling by Rush of things and and I mean, you know, we can rehash the whole Mueller report here at cetera but in the impeachment, but I I wonder how long do you think that the main reason or kind of questioning the legitimacy of the Trump presidency to the extent that was happening was it was it really the choice between the Electoral College and the and the popular vote or was it what were these other issues the bigger on the people's radar screens? I think they said off each other. I think the fact that he lost the popular vote lead people to say in in the beginning. This guy really isn't the legitimate president. And and how do we explain him being in office wage the Russian meddling so I think without one you might not have the other at least not the other in the severity that you did if you had one them both conclusively. I think we would we might have had a little bit different political conflicts there. Yeah, that's actually an interesting thought if you'd won the votes conclusively there there probably would have been less traction for for a lot of a lot of or just general feeling of unease that helped a family all of these subsequent controversy and so on do you think the president has any any claim to his his statements that he somehow was cheated out of his first term were part of his first term and maybe should get a third term because because of that No, it is no claim to a third term. He has no claim to a second term, you know, they you don't automatically get rewarded just because your political opponents attacks you perhaps unfairly in your first choice you got to earn that does he have a legitimate criticism that some of the attacks on him in the impeachment, you know hinder his ability to do things. Yeah sure, but you know, some of them were inflicted as well, but no you certainly can't use that as a justification for I get a do-over, you know, I mean original prices. He says he's going to if he wins a second term to negotiate about a third term. I'm just telling you know, I'm just talking about what this guy is saying. Yeah, I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with it. But okay. So that's one of the shift gears now and talk about the Supreme Court and of course the fact that the court currently has eight justices that has a normal complement of nine President. Donald Trump is had said he dead We'll announce whom he wants to be his appointment to the Supreme Court tomorrow Saturday and Senator Mitch McConnell. The majority leader has said the Senate will expedite approval of the the new Justice President. Trump wants Matt Dickinson. What what do you think about this given what happened in 2016? Well, if they're going to be a confirmation battle Yeah, I mean, there'll be some scrutiny over whoever he nominates any appears. He's leaning towards if media reports are right one of two women, but you know, the Democrats don't have the votes and based on the way. Everybody is aligning right now in the Republican side. It doesn't look like they're going to get the office. So wiring some surprised Kavanaugh, you know found out that the woman were drinking like the beer or something. There's a good sale through almost off the confirmation could take place a week before the election. It's possible. If everything goes the way the Republicans want this could be a very short confirmation process. Yeah, that's that's my impression as well. Because when I want to make reference to 2016 that was that was the year in which Barack Obama was President until January 20th of 2017. So throughout 2016 in February of 2016 Antonin Scalia who had been in on the court for decades died and she has left a seat open the normal course of events. There would have been for the president to make a nomination which actually President Obama did he dominate him Merrick Garland to fill up the empty seat and and then furthering this idea of a normal course of events. The Senate would have held hearings on a vote on this nomination for the song Supreme Court the majority leader Mitch McConnell at the time said he did not want to do go through that process in the Senate. He wanted to hold the seat open for most of the Dead. From from the death of Scalia in February to the past the election and actually into the following year when there would be a new president off-course Barack Obama was in the second term. So it was known that he would not be back from the that that delay in in the appointment of Justice ended up allowing the appointment to be made by President Donald Trump who was elected in November 3rd. And so here we are a lot of folks were upset by Thursday. They thought Saddam it's actually President Obama was cheated out of a supreme court appointment. We are in a not really analogous situation now because it's much closer to the election and took folks have been looking for Mitch McConnell to operate in the fashion similar to what he did in 2016. He appears not to intend to do that wage. Is that a is that a problem or is it just sort of the way the cookie cookie crumbles given the makeup of the Senate and Dickinson? Well, I think Democrats think it's a problem and Democratic supporters think it's a problem and Joe Biden thinks it's a problem. I mean, the problem for Democrats is they were on the other side of the issue back in 2016 as well. So often, you know, boom size are claiming some principal here, but the reality is this is basically who has the votes and you know, God bless and atrocity came out and said what the truth of the matter is which is when we're in the majority and the president is our party in the Senate. We're going to confirm his nominee. Yeah, when we're in this Senate majority and the president is of the other party. We're going to delay wage. That's what's happening here. I mean both sides have a fig Leaf of arguing it's different this time. I think you eloquently pointed out the Democratic argument, which is we're talking weeks not months of scrutiny with whoever Trump nominates compared to the Garland situation and the Republicans are just sort of flipping this around and saying well in 2016, we knew Barack Obama wasn't going to be president wage. After the election, we don't know that Donald Trump's not going to be a theater fig Leaf then like any fig Leaf. You really don't want to look underneath it closely. Yeah, it's Faith politics. I've said previously this if there's any crime committed here, it was really committed in 2016 where the Senate did not fill did not fulfill its constitutional duty to to 2 a.m. Do do the advising consent function that you normally would expect a 10 months to do it then and they did not this time. I you know, I think a president ought to be able to appoint a Supreme Court Justice right up to the end of life is a her term and that's I think that was the intent of the but I don't know. I I will will maybe we'll get back to that that standard this time and it'll stick future. We'll see Matt tickets in Middlebury College. I'm afraid we are about out of time and I really appreciate you joining me this morning. Thank you so much. Thank you Dad dead. In to CBS News at the top of the hour. Bob Nale be joining us afterward. 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Good morning Bob. Thanks for joining me. Hey, good morning. How are you? I'm doing well. So the I was looking over your notes for this morning, and it looks like we're off. Looking at a big bounce in the economy in this quarter. That's about to end. Yes, Dave, you know, this one is bizarre. It's it's a paradox and that's what the article said. Nobody saw this one coming The Economist didn't see it coming and the bottom line is that previous record growth rate was 16.7 in the first quarter of 1956. And this one this quarter is going to show 25% growth. Now remember, of course, we went down pretty far, you know, so that's a factor but it's still going to show 25% growth back up. Its we're producing less the article says fewer workers and nothing by the way that anybody did brought this on it's it's happening. We don't pretend not to completely understand as I've been trying to look at some economic breakdowns and it's here will at last who knows will it be around two of covid-19 and affected, you know, it might It is there just some sort of natural resilience here though. I mean, it strikes me that maybe a big part of the explanation here that you know, the economy was damped down really really hard through the spring and early summer with all the lockdowns and so on and and so was locked down and start to get relaxed and boom everybody you can gets back to work wage. Right and I think a lot of it which is not an epic economic factor, maybe in the way they look at things but the the resilience of the American people to continue through, you know, something like this I think is probably part of this to you know, maybe they cut back on certain things. Maybe they banded together with family and friends to cut, you know, something costs. I mean, who knows but there's a you know, definitely some factors that had this happen. It may not hold out again, but it has happened this quarter. And and as you mentioned also, we are not back to quote unquote normal in terms of the economic performance right now what I mean, if we were talking about a ladder that had ten rungs let's say and we were down to maybe the bottom one or two for a while there were up to maybe what run four or five now. Yep. I agree with that around 4 or 5. We're again, you know as people can go out. You can go to a restaurant you can do this. You can do that, you know, maybe some people went back to work as that's all going on with it gives a sense of oh, okay, you know, this is heading into normality, but it's not and I think your assessments right? You know, we're nearing four or five halfway to where we were a year ago. And what obviously I'm sure the president will make whatever he can out of this. What is he saying? Well, he will because I think there's three factors in this election. One is the economy which has always been a trump Mainstay before coronavirus hit, you know, things were on a pretty hot engine there and I thought that was you know, he was obviously bragging about the stock market and the economy and the unemployment Etc and had a the ability to do that. He's going to tout this though as wage. He shouldn't tell that it is Happy Days Are Here Again. We're normal. He's probably going to tell that though if he's smart as you know, hey, we're hanging in there. We're trying to do all we can on and on and on the economy's park it another part of it's going to be the virus though and that can be right around the corner. Israel is an another lockdown Canada announced the virus is starting to Surge and they're worried off. In the winter months here same thing with us. Now, will it hit before election day and abusers? I don't know. That's a second point. He has to defend though. So he was kind of striking out on that areas. But now at least on the economy side he can maybe make some type of hay or gain off of it the economy the coronavirus what was the third area and I'm in a third one too is is what's going on with not not racial issues. Not that debate that's out there or the police but what's going on back in cities with violence from other sources that you know where protests turns into a riot or there's violence or there's burning et cetera. Now, I think it's diminished a bit off but that is a third part because they're going to argue the Trump campaign that who handles this better is and that's what they're going to do is Donald Trump, and if you would like Joe Biden and Senator, Harrisburg They're going to allow basically antifa to rule this country. I mean, that's what you're going to here in probably those exact words. What I just said Dave and on the other hand, you're going to hear Biden say look, I didn't Thursday fun the police no matter how much Trump argues that he did, you know, and I'm for Law and Order. I'm just for better race relations and you're going to hear that from Biden. So that's I think the third component off one thing. I was surprised the Democrats aren't making more noise about is social security because you talked about defunding the police. The president has has of executive order to essentially do away with the with the payroll tax that funds something like ninety percent of the Social Security benefits out there. Are we defunding Social Security and if so, how long should the should have Democrats make a lot of noise about this when that goes right to the to what in 2016 was the president strongest demographic which you know, the 65 and older set off. Right and the Democratic side when he first did the payroll tax by executive order. They said, you know some warning statements Chuck Schumer particularly in the Senate dead, but then after that it kind of subsided because everything else took front page number one. Number two, the president's budget people came out said wait a minute. This is temporary. We're not going wage permanently do this. We just needed to do it for the economy. Now, will that hold after the election, you know, who knows? It's anyone's guess I would assume after the election if they don't let that executive or expire. I would assume a lot of republicans in Congress would ban with the Democrats to stop, you know, Social Security because look do you want to excite a group excited group of seniors and see what happens? Yeah, that seems like I mean it used to be people used to talk about it. It's kind of a third rail or of American politics or whatever. You don't have to Social Security and I you know, I'll tell you I'm I'm I'm going to be an age of an age where I might be looking to be collecting Social Security in a couple of years and I'm as of last month and you know, don't take my Social Security away from me. That would be my choice. I'm right there. You know, I mean, I think a lot of people in our bracket would say Hey, you know talk about suckers and losers if we paid into this thing for decades now all of a sudden it's going away or wage be greatly diminished or something. We are the suckers and losers, you know, thanks. So right don't be in Medicare. That's the only way you know, yeah and and home, so I just wanted to get your your thoughts quickly on the president's remarks this week that the only legitimate election is the one he wins I guess is one way to put it. Yep. I guess Hillary Clinton but it hasn't service a lot said for if if Biden loses she gave advice to not get in right away and you know, it's not going to make sure they trumped it because Trump's comments were even different than that more more extended. But I think that that the people in power that say this like the president has to be very very careful because first of all somebody's going to win the election and Republicans immediately came out top ranking Republic is excluding McConnell and said whoever wins is sworn in in January McConnell made that clear it's not, it's going to be biding where you know, it'd be sworn in the second thing though is the sphere of the election process. Look, you know, you're talking to somebody who was steny Hoyer. The number two Democrat is still in the country under the seat and Ted Kennedy and Mitch McConnell and I put together a two-year process on a help America vote act we dug into the elections. Seriously, Dave state-by-state county-by-county. We look dead. The whole ball of wax. We had experts and lawyers and staffers both sides of the outright and we came up with the help America vote act and as we look at it, here's what we found were there some flaws in the system, So you don't want anybody turned away from the polls, but for the most part, you know, Vermont New Hampshire and Ohio et cetera, they could they control the election process and for the most part it works. We're not back to the days of you know, the questions about LBJ Etc. And so this statements these statements are made publicly. They don't help election confidence. Now the postal systems to be washed. I admit that long, you know, but I think for the most part your local Boards of elections are going to do their jobs on a bipartisan basis. We certainly certainly hope so in that that obviously his is the standard and and I mean, but let's let's not deviate from that if we can possibly not deviate from that. Hey Bob, may I gotta get but I thank you very much for spending some time with us this morning. It's always good talking radio. Okay you to we're going to be talking on like in the next five forty forty-five minutes or so with Falco Shilling. He is with the Vermont Vermont Office of the American civil liberties Union and they've been working on police reform legislation with the Vermont lawmakers, and they tell us there's been some progress made in recent days and check in with if we're going to check in with fava showing about what is happening on that front Falco Schilling. I believe is on the phone with us. Good morning and thank you for joining us. Good morning, Dave and thanks so much for having me. So Phyllis in what what is the legislature been up to lately are related to changes in police policing and Thursday. Yeah, happy to talk about that over the last couple of weeks as we've gone into this. I guess it's the third session of this this legislative session. There's been a lot of focus on police accountability and in particular use of force by law enforcement officers. So there's two pieces of legislation s 119 deals directly with police use-of-force and then s124 deals with a lot of other issues around law enforcement in terms of who oversees law enforcement and asking for a lot of reports with the information about what we should be doing in the future to make sure that law enforcement has held accountable and that there's necessary oversight from communities. So the the the first s 221 I think you said it was f119 is the use of force bill and I think as folks who can listening to the news or anything about this. That's probably the bill you're hurting the most about right now because what there's you do it was good Vermont one of the strongest use of force standards in the country. This is based off of legislation in part that passed in California as well as looking at the standards of police departments around the country such as Seattle and what this does this piece of legislation does is it says that police cannot use Force unless it's necessary based on the totality of the circumstances and it what it is does is it gives vermonters more protection than when they currently have under the Constitutional jurisprudence of the Fourth Amendment. So Most states in the country right now don't have statutory standards that say when police can and can't use force or if they do they use Fly with what the the floor is in terms of constitutional protections and the grand standard what this bill does is it makes sure that Vermont has one of the strongest use of force standards in the country. So when we see officer use Force, we're not just looking at that very moment right before they use the force but we're looking at everything that led up to that use of force and take into account the totality of everything that happened and whether or not officers escalated situations unnecessarily so that force was used in a manner that was unnecessary and therefore unlawful. And if force was used in a manner there was that now will be deemed necessary and unlawful first off who determines that and secondly what happens off. So that's a process that would be that would go in front of folks like the Attorney General especially in killing so deadly use of force in particular way to make that decision about whether charges should be brought or be brought in front of prosecutors at the county level who decide whether or not charges should be brought based on the new statute that's been created life outside of that. There is the possibility that could folks could be held civilly liable, but that's a concern of ours because we know that the doctrine of qualified immunity bars in a suit against law enforcement when they've done things that violates statutory and constitutional rights because it really ties the hands of folks who are trying to get their rights and indicated in Civil Court wage. Does that standard of of a qualified immunity changed at all under this legislation? It does not change it all under this legislation. And that's a conversation. We'd like the legislature to have when wage back in January. We know the legislature has been committed to working on policing reforms and they've really shown that over the last week's of by spending a lot of time in a very short session on June meetings and hearing from a wide range of witnesses. And as well as holding multiple public hearings on the issue during the month of August the the house Judiciary and House Government operations committee has held three public hearings to listen to concerns from the public about how their how their communities are being policed and what the state needs to do. And one thing that we kept hearing over and over again as we need more oversight be more accountability and we need to make sure that people are not having to encounter Law Enforcement Officers when it's unnecessary. So things like this is a big fight we had on the Cannabis legislation wage. Not allowing police officers to pull people over for what they perceive to be them not wearing a seatbelt. This leads to pretextual stops. And this is a place where bias can creep in and we know already wage black people and people of color in Vermont are stopped at disproportionate rates by law enforcement their searched at disproportionate rates, even though they are less likely to have Contraband and then they're ticketed at higher rate. We know that there's disproportionate policing of communities of color in the state and that's something that we need to address because it's happening here in Vermont. And is is that addressed in this legislation in this legislation that the S 119 is focused mostly on use-of-force, but that's really important because we know that black for monitors encounter police use-of-force at five times the rate of white / monitors. And so this legislation is particularly strong because it doesn't just talk about the use of deadly force which is What legislation in California does it talks about the use of all falls and that's extremely important because we need to have a statutory standard across the state that raises the bar for what can we expect from law enforcement and policing our communities and making sure that they're not using no more Force than is absolutely necessary and how will a member of the public page sort of see this change if if in fact they will I mean, I'm sort of trying to get to the bottom line here. What what? Yeah what what difference with this really make four people. Well, hopefully what we're seeing is we see how this would roll out in the statute was is well, hopefully right now but the legislature is meeting as we talk. So I'm going to have to go back and make sure that this will actually package and then hopefully it's signed by the governor. But when that passes what this will do, it will require law enforcement to go develop a Statewide use-of-force policy that complies with this new Statue, then raise the wage floor on what we expect from law enforcement when they're using force and then hopefully what we're seeing is we see a reduced number of use of force incidents and that when force is used there's not much of a, you know, none of this head-scratching about how these this use of force was justified because in those situations, it would be need to be clearly Justified right now. We're I know the country a lot of people our age are really upset and really hurting after hearing the the lack of indictments brought against the officers and the Brianna Taylor case. So that's a case where police officers had a no-knock warrant. Yep. Enter the dwelling at night with little to no notice and then the Brianna Taylor's boyfriend thought that they were Intruders. He pulled a gun shots were fired and we'll only the only thing they looked at and decide whether or not to bring those charges as what happened right before police started shooting. They said well, there was a gun drawn and therefore that use of force was reasonable what this bill would do is it would look at that situation and say should they have entered one the wrong dwelling to without announcing themselves or three? Could this arrest have been done in a less faith in a in another manner that posed a less threat to Public Safety where you're going in firing shots into this apartment and into other apartments in the middle of the night. Those are the totality of the circumstances is still would make folks look up and another case that has been brought up is in the case of in Burlington The Fill grinning case where you had someone who is experiencing a mental health episode and was wage. You know not responding to law enforcement commands had put themselves into their bathroom and and at the provocation of law enforcement ended up coming up and had a knife and once that knife knife appeared off the use of force was reasonable because there was an immediate threat but it didn't take into account everything that led up to that moment when the police were encountering that need to use force and this is something that attorney-general TJ. Haven't talked about in his testimony. He was the one that ruled that homicide justifiable and he said under these new standards. He he thinks that might not have gone the same way and those those are the type of differences. We might see practically when it comes to using force in Vermont and a lot of protest demonstrations conservation in general in Burlington in particular about the police department them. Do you think that this legislation might I don't know if you talk to Folks up there, but I mean is it likely to satisfy some of the some of the authors? Hearing I think many of the folks there will be pleased to see this legislation passed the past and hopefully we'll be supportive and hopefully calling on the governor to sign it if it makes it to his dog, but I don't think this is dress is everything that they're they're looking for and broadly people are sick of allowing law enforcement to police themselves. We lost faith in the ability of the police need to police themselves and they're looking for larger structural changes as well as very immediate and specific changes to the police department and who is on that Force so I'm not going to speak for the protesting or say what they you know, what they would demand or how they're going to feel about this. I hope that they see this as a positive step. I think it is the ACLU of Vermont thinks it is but I think there's it's a beginning of a larger conversation. This is not the end we go to these were a couple bills that the legislature carved have time to address at the end of a very long and difficult session but much of what this legislation does is it sets off? For a larger conversation in January and we're going to come back and talk about how should civilians have the ability to oversee law enforcement. How can we make sure that the civilian review has. And that they can make sure that the decisions of law enforcement officers are ones that the community can review and then folks are held accountable for those decisions. So it's it's having a couple of those conversations looking at things. Like should we be using military-grade equipment in our police? Tell you what chakra Schilling of the ACLU? We we can talk about all of this more often in more detail after a brief break. 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He is with the American civil liberties Union is Vermont chapter ACLU has been working with the legislature this year to try to enact some police reforms and there's some legislation that appears to be moving and Thursday. We were having talking about that. We also welcome listener input as we always do here on the day of camp. So if you'd like to call us and any questions, you might want to ask him. Mr. Shilling or comments you'd like to make 244 1777 is the local number in Waterbury the toll free number one 877-291-4291 off and Falco would be you mentioned this one bill having to do with use of force by our police officers. Tell us about the other piece of dog. Justin Bradley and then we'll get into more specifics and maybe any interrelationship between the between the tube. Yeah, I'm happy to do that the other piece of legislation which the legislature just passed and we'll be heading to the governor is s 124 which is a bill relating to miscellaneous law enforcement Amendment. So until the title describes is pretty well. There's a lot of different amendments to how law enforcement is governed off. And then also a lot of different request from law enforcement and other stakeholders to report back to the legislature on what we should be doing in the future. So one of the the biggest changes within this piece of legislation is the criminal justice training Council that oversees law enforcement across the state and Law Enforcement Training as you might guess from the name is being revamped and they're adding a significant number of jobs for civilians and non law enforcement folks to be on that board and to provide some meaningful oversight of law enforcement. I think that's you know, so that is one of the changes we think that's a positive step off. There still could be more done in terms of beefing up civilian oversight of police departments across the state. So that is one of the big changes another change that we're we're pointing to which we really appreciate the legislators support on is it puts a moratorium on the use of facial recognition technology by law enforcement officers in the state of Vermont and this is something we've been concerned about because as we've seen this type of Technology rolled out around the country, we know that it is inaccurate and many times especially inaccurate for folks with darker skin tones, and that that can lead to down play situations where people are getting arrested for things that they just didn't do because of faulty technology just doesn't of course mean that lawnmower Horsemen officers can't use their own eyes and their own judgment to view the footage of you know, from either body cams or from surveillance cameras that exist. It means you cannot automate and use a computer program to track people's facial characteristics birth. And then use that to make law enforcement decisions. So that's something that we really appreciate the legislature including in this legislation and is one of the the points of our ten point plan to reimagine policing here in Virginia. So we appreciate them taking action on that and sending that to the governor's desk and we hope you'll sign it. Once you get there this facial recognition technology package of any other states Bandits used by law enforcement. I'm not sure of any other states have a no municipalities like San Francisco and Cambridge Massachusetts have banned it. I believe that there's there's some restrictions in the state of California, but it's something that is emerging and is a concern and and in those jurisdictions really and what this legislation does as well is same thing is law enforcement thinks they have a legitimate use for this type of technology and its really needed they are then going to come back to the legislature and make their case for why it is needed and why it's essential in the correct. Environment and you know what we heard from law enforcement was that this isn't something they're doing now, so we want to make sure that this you know, we make sure that we stopped the horse before it gets out of the barn on this type of use of invasive and sneak in inaccurate surveillance technology, but it does leave the conversation open if there is an absolute need for it in the future, but we think this is the right way to go and this is how some of the other municipalities have dealt with it as well where they say. We as a community want to know know what technologies you're using and make sure that we're okay with that and improve that through our civilian oversight before you move forward with my life type of Technologies. Cuz right now we just don't think they're ready for prime time and you're saying that it the technology actually is less effective, I guess in when dealing with people with darker skin. That's just because of the way it processes light or something or yeah and not being not being someone working in the technology package. Directly from what I've seen is just from the reports and from the outcomes that is just less accurate with people with darker skin tones based on however it is being engineered and created and so that's a major concern. Especially if folks were going to be using this type of technology to say, I don't know, you know pick out a face from a video. He's a greeny video footage Lennon against a database which in itself that means creating a database which is another huge concern in terms of privacy and then people, you know, people have been wrongly arrested based on this type of technology and it's not to say that wrongful arrest don't happen with traditional technology, but we don't want to create one more Avenue for that to happen and have people brought into the criminal legal system unnecessarily now, some people will offer you. I'm sure that I mean I can imagine somebody calling into the show here and saying listen, this is a this is a tool that Law Enforcement wants to use and and in some number Out of a hundred cases. It's successful helps with the prosecution. It helps stop a criminal from you know, the next armed robbery or whatever. Don't be want to do that. Well, I think as I said before this technology is not ready for Primetime. It's not ready to be used in decisions that regard someone's Liberty and also could impact their safety. We know that one law enforcement are encountering folks. There isn't that that is a an opportunity where things can get heightened force can be used and to be detrimental to health and safety but also their Liberty interests allowing people to be taken into custody and arrested based on faulty information is something we are always going to be fighting against and with this technology is not ready to be used and we shouldn't be putting unproven technology package in the hands of law enforcement and just hoping it works out. Yeah, I I actually read recently. I was reading an article about you know, the police relations with particular with communities of color and off. This writer was making the argument that three three words that an African American person never wants to hear in connection with a police report is quote-unquote fits to the fits the description off unquote. Yeah, and because same time and time again how that type of language and that type of assumption can lead to really dead mental outcomes once someone is involved in the criminal legal system. It is hard to find your way out even if you are wrongfully accused and we've you know, this is something we try and stop people entering a system is much as possible unless it's absolutely necessary and protects the health and safety of others in their Community, but that fear is very well-founded because we've seen too many times at home. actually people of color are wrongfully identified and then have to face the consequences of a criminal legal system where the odds are just stacked against and and that is obviously nightmare scenario in anybody's life. If you have been, you know, conducting yourself as a law-abiding citizen and all of a sudden they're swept up off the street off and put into this system. That's that is certainly something we don't want to see happen. It's a waste of public resources. That's part of the problem. The other problem is as you put it thought it was showing of the ACLU is you're depriving the person of their Liberty and you're basically you are an agent of the government really getting in somebody's face without justification. And that's that's a shame when it happens. And you know, yeah, I'm sure that most law enforcement people don't want to get it wrong either but it does happen. So ways to safeguard against that obviously should be pursued off. And I think many many law enforcement officers have the best of intentions and what we're looking at is the outcomes and trying to find ways to work backwards to make sure that we don't have these disproportionate outcomes when it comes to especially to people of color and also just reducing the amount that our communities are policed unnecessarily. I try to reach out to the head of the Vermont Association of chiefs of police yesterday was unable to make a connection there because I wanted to sort of get get some thoughts from a law enforcement leader who might be able to talk to us about this legislation and whether they are in agreement or have concerns what what what are you hearing from law enforcement on this stuff off of feeling? So I need to kind of summarize of high-level what I have heard in the testimony from law enforcement is that they would they don't want to see the state passed a statutory standard off the use of force. They're asking for the ability to develop their own Statewide policy, which then would be implemented and would not have the force of Law and this is something we know the internet and the chief of police of hoses any legislation that would require a necessary standard to be put in statute. And that's part of the reason that I said the ACLU don't have a whole lot of birth. Faith that if you give this to law enforcement without the civilian oversight that comes through our elected representatives of the legislature that they returned to the standards that meet with the community is saying is necessary, So that is our concern law enforcement has been saying that they don't want to see this put into statute and they want to be given the ability to develop their own regulations on this issue moving forward. That's largely thought. I heard from law enforcement in terms of their concerns on this legislation and it's not surprising to be honest. I've spent a lot of time up in the legislature and there's very few people are very few entities that are being regulated that want more regulation whether it's the fossil fuel industry, whether its chemical companies or even hospitals, none of these people are named, please put more statutory regulations on top of what would you please give us more people looking over our shoulder and holding us accountable. And so it's understandable from the perspective law enforcement that they don't want this type of statutory regulation. They want to have the ability. Yep. Regulate themselves, but we've hit a point where people have lost faith in law enforcement's ability to police themselves. And that is what this legislation is trying to do at least in this area of use of force and hopefully the weather will continue to move forward a number of these issues were saying at least when it comes to using force and in particular deadly force, we are going to set a standard as a state and we're going to raise the floor and saying it's not just what the Fourth Amendment says in terms of your ability to not have your life and Liberty deprived by police officers. We were going to make sure that it has absolutely necessary not just reasonable and that's the current standard. Is it reasonable given that moment right before of course is used were saying it needs to be necessary based on all the circumstances and everything that led that uses voice. Fremont you think about the government government people who employees who who deal with with members of the public with individual citizens home a lot and and and so School teachers for instance are somebody that the majority of vermonters have some dealings with as they go back to school and school teachers are people who have typically have University degrees have been in many cases even master's degrees pretty highly educated and and they they learn a lot about how to deal with people. They are supposed to be interacting with mainly being students and of course students parents and so on and so forth. One one criticism that I've heard of our the way we do policing in the United States and in Vermont over the years is that the training for police officers is not very extensive damage is less than a year. You get at the at the police academy and then you know the other end of the pipeline when the when the professional is now out on the street doing the work in a school teachers, even if they're even if you have a pretty bad teacher who's not doing a very effective job teaching math or French or whatever it is. That's not lethal where as police officers walk around with firearms on their hips and have that that awesome power to kill somebody and I just wonder is there a balance there in terms of in terms of the the training requirements? Well, I think that's a really valid concern and is also something that we heard many times over when the house Judiciary and House Government operations committee held their public hearings earlier this year. We heard from a number of people talking about their concerns about the lack of Law Enforcement Training before they're put out into the field and deciding wage other countries where they have different levels of training. So that is something that is actually discussed in s124 and it calls on the criminal justice training Council to consult with interest with folks like us and others who have some thoughts about this in terms of how training could be improved what level of training is necessary and that's something that I think the legislature had some. Yeah, so obviously it's something the legislators had some concerns about as well as trying to make sure that when we are putting Law Enforcement Officers out into the field that they have the training that's adequate for them so that they know how to do their job and so that they dead Feel safe but also that they have enough training so that they can interact with the the community in a way that promotes that promotes a better community and that they are not violating people's rights, but making sure that they have enough training of to do those things and then there's you know, there's there's pretty significant training on things like use of course, of course, we heard a lot about that and one of the things that we're trying to do with this piece of legislation is to change how folks are taught how to use force and make sure that they're prioritizing the escalation when it comes to using force in the community, which is something we hear from a number of law enforcement officers that they already do and that's great and that that is prioritized we want to make sure that that is required and that is something that not just thought that you know, the law enforcement officers who are are really doing the right thing or doing but it's something that's required of all law enforcement officers. They look at how to de-escalate situations and only use Force when it's absolutely necessary wage. Fogger shielding. So the the use of force legislation I seem to have lost the thread there. Where is that in the process right now? So that is that is on the house floor probably right. Now as we speak there, you know that they're trying to get out of town as soon as possible as soon as possible today, but it's gone back and forth between the house and the Senate a couple of times that the Senate passed a bill originally just talking about the use of deadly force the house expanded that to all Force the Senate then pushed out the deadline a little bit to give law enforcement time to revise their training standards and get ready to implement this and so that is the bill that's now in front of the house where I think it's likely the house will concur to send this bill to the governor's desk. I've got to make sure that you know, you have to watch some of those procedural hurdles that those who spend a lot of time in the building worrying about like whether you know, you can suspend the rules to bring it off the notice calendar stuff like that wage. But I'm going to be tuning into a new tube right after I get off this interview making sure that actually made it through the house floor, but it has a very good chance of going to the governor's desk and that's when we're going to be calling a governor Scott to actually sign this piece of legislation. We know that law enforcement has been raising a number of concerns about then most about this bill, but it's largely around the idea that they wanted me to set their own standards and we think that it is time to no longer allow the police to police themselves. And so we're going to be calling on governor Scott to sign this bill if it gets to his desk and also just wash thank all the legislators who voted for this legislation and to move it forward especially in a tight time line and also very challenging circumstances took all of this work from across the state over Zoom. So seeing the commitment they've had to these type of reforms I think is inspiring and it gives me a lot of Hope going into the legislative session that will be here wage. Or we know it in January when I know these conversations are going to be continued around around this issue. Well, hopefully not too much on this issue. Hopefully it passes and that's kind of the same conversation for a bit. But around many other issues related to policing and once contained in our ten point plan to immediately imagine policing the the ACLU of course heavily involved with these issues over the years. I remember the the previous executive director of the ACLU Alan Gilbert had had a plan or proposal I guess to have police officers be licensed in Vermont and you know teachers are licensed nurses are licensed. Even Cosmic cosmetologist people who who who are cutting and stuff off during is there any movement on that? What's happening on that front? Well, I think that's something that we open to looking at and seeing if that makes sense as we're talking about training standards, but we want to just make sure that there's really what our plan is looking at is trying to make sure that there's accountability for for law enforcement officers as well as oversight that's meaningful that can make sure that they are acting in the best interests of our community and our following regulations that are put forward in front of them. So, you know, that's that's something that we could be considering as we head into January and looking at how to best ensure that we're getting the best law enforcement crash course in Vermont as possible. All righty. Well just to let folks know I do like to get a range of perspectives here on the day of grand feel. I'm going to continue trying to reach out to law enforcement leaders in Vermont. I did check and I tried to check in yesterday. I was able to make a connection with the head of the chief of police of the association of police Chiefs and did not that did not happen. But I'm going to keep trying hope to get something like that or perhaps on the state police on the on our air next week and we can hear hear their perspective on on these issues as well. We are fast running out of time here on today's edition of the the Graham show a file called Schilling of the ACLU. I thank you very much for joining us this morning. It's a good talking with you and thank you so much for having me and forgive me the chance to talk to your listeners. I really appreciate the day already we are fast as as I mentioned heading to the top of the hour here in the end of this Friday edition of the day of Graham show on wdev FM. in am and want to mention that just after the 11:00 news from CBS your I believe we will be going live for special coverage from from wdev of the governor's news conference with other top state officials talking about the response to the coronavirus crisis big the announcement. Of course Thursday this week relating to school sports. They start up again tomorrow, and I'll go team go hope that all works out. I guess athletes going to be wearing masks as they play these games and Thursday. That'll be something new. So we'll see how it goes. Anyway, that's about it for today show. 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EPISODE 99 -- RICKY CRAVEN PART 2

The Down and Dirty Show

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EPISODE 99 -- RICKY CRAVEN PART 2

"Hello my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene. Volkov cast your source for all things NASCAR history presented by Q.. Wear maintain excellence. Remember Sandra Myself. At least it's all. And I didn't realize is I was in here. I woke up or I became conscious in the helicopter, and I have this memory of hearing the the prop. And I sort of bought into the idea that damaged goods. That Bay Nascar, and all associated in any way when that's forget passed as today, we don't have any. Hello I'm Steve Wade and my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the same bought podcast presented by Q. Wear and Steve. Can you believe that we are right now? At this moment recording episode ninety nine. At is very hard to believe. I spent a long time episodes. So that means that next week dropping on July eight will be our one hundredth episode. One hundred magic number. We're all about plateaus on this podcast. We got one hundred episodes I'm working behind in off to get to five thousand miles. And Steve Honestly Way did an interview last week four our one hundredth episode, our guest for the one hundredth episode is GonNa be Mike Helton. That's right and Mike has they long background in raise more than most people think we had a great conversation with him talked to him for probably about forty five minutes. And got a lot of good stuff. Robin talked about his background in the sport how he started out in Bristol. Virginia and rose through the ranks like few people ever have. Time the mountain is for sure and Steve. I'm going to be honest with you. It was what he said at the end of our conversation. That completely blew me away because it was completely unprompted when I was setting up the interview through his assistant I had sent her an email and. Email I hit includes some lakes to some of the papers. That I've digitized. I didn't have any idea if he would ever see it. It didn't know if he'd ever take the time to look through them. But when he told us what he did, it completely blew me away now as a preview of our one hundred episode next week I WANNA. Play this clip of what Mike said about. What Winston Cup Sane meant to the sport. This was fine and. Wreck I got those got the email with all those back issues and everything. I spent four hours. Last night race! I spent four hours back and reading. Some of those in is cracked up because some of them. That's just a sign of the time right there. Particularly their early issues when they were, tell him all the little stories that might have happened around the racetrack I this. I really enjoyed it and I haven't got yet, but. I would encourage race fans. But I would also encourage people that work in the sport today to take time and go back and look at things like that because that's our history book that tells how we got here. And some of those remembers the characters that. Nobody even recognize the names of except for us and. And and thank Gosh. I remember when this happened. I remember when this guy. This I remember when G. TO GET NEW JOURNEY OUT OF TROUBLE IN ATLANTA. It was just always great Khomych. Were written up in the grand national scene, so thanks for sharing that with. Mike I cannot tell you how much that means to me to hear. Say The papers behind me. That's every issue ever and that's history. They can't be lost, and we evidently have a deal in place to actually digitize them all this is going to be very expensive, but I've gotTA deal with Marcus La- Mona's to digitize them all so if you have a chance to speak to him, put in a good word. Force our. Good. S- great because a hundred years from now somebody pulls that out says. Are you kidding me? Because a great stories. Incredibly Great Stores So Steve. What did you think? When he started talking about that. My pretty well. Latch onto what we're all about. Yes, no question. Yeah, and for him to talk about it being the history book of the sport that is exactly where Begum the point that we have been trying to make for lo these one hundred episodes now. That's what we're all about as I said earlier perfect for somebody of Mike Stature, who is one of the most powerful people in the sport? That meant everything to me. Because allocated once again what we're trying to do and we are getting closer and closer every day I really do feel like that is still WanNa take time, but we're on the right track. I agree a hundred percent. Rick and it looks like from my said. Other people and people of power recognizes that makes all the difference to me. Is that people recognize how important this project is? Steve In our first segment this week we have the second installment of our interview with Ricky Craven and Steve of all the interview segments. We've had here on the same podcast. I am going to go out on the Lam and say that this week with Ricky Craven. We'll go straight into the top five best interview segments that we have ever run here on the PODCAST I. Don't think I've ever heard a driver. Be More candid and honest and open about himself as we heard from Ricky. Steve you and I talked to ricky about that crazy crash at Talladega where he rolled up the track and end of the fence, and that sent him back down the track and Steve. He said that he basically woke himself up vomiting inside his helmet. And then he was very incredibly candid about telling us about his crash Texas. He actually told us the nightmares he had about being flown out of the race. Track helicopters and Steve that crash in particular, the Texas crash cost him so much physically. And the and it basically cost him his ride with Hendrick motorsports, so that was kind of going to the top of the mountain with that ride with Hendrick motorsports, obviously one of the best teams in the sport, and then just two or three months after joining the team. He experiences this crash at Texas and it knocks him off that perch. There is no question that if you take A. A job in racing particularly as a driver, you might engage some cruel fate, because the way sport is, and that's exactly what happened Ricky, and Steve I appreciate so much. Him Been Willing to trust us with his story. He didn't hold anything back I can tell you that he didn't hold anything back now. He shared, didn't so that was a very very poignant interview segment. I hope you guys. Guys will listen to it I. Hope You guys enjoy it and just really take a moment to recognize what ricky craven went through, and what kind of person he is to come back from that I did not realize myself that ricky was that. beat up, is he told us his story. It soon came to me that he is quite the individual to respond from that. Come back at. At all a lot of other competitors might not have been able to do that and Steve next week will be our one hundred episode. We will run the interview with Mike Helton next week, but in episode one a one way have the third and final installment of our interview with Ricky Craven and the best part of that story is that he comes back from that crash Texas to win. At Martinsville in a heck of a battle with Dell Jarrett and then in two thousand and three at Darlington. Gets Kurt Busch in what is widely considered to be one of the greatest finishes of all time and Nascar, so that's the Comeback Story. Our ABSO and Ricky is win at Darlington is one for the ages that finished. I'm killing. There's tremendous Stephen our second segment. We are going to go back to the May Second Nineteen Ninety six issue of Winston Cup saying in that issue. The Winston select five hundred at Talladega. That's the race in which ricky crash so badly, and that was one accident, but also bill broke his leg in another mishap that took place on the backstretch and Steve that race was won by sterling, Marlin, who was becoming known as quite the restrictor plate racer? He held off. Dale Jarrett by just twenty to one hundred seventy second. As Steve, that was also the weekend where NASCAR decided. They wanted to test Ernie Irving's engine on a dino, and that did not go to. But. We're not gonNA. Go into a lot of detail about it because we did discuss it pretty extensively back during the off season in episode sixty three, so if you want to know the details, if you want to know, the particulars, go back to episode sixty three and give that lesson and Steven this issue there were also features on longtime crew chief Bob Johnson, who was known at one time for having just a wee bit of a temper. Might say that. And Drum Roll, please. There was also my story on Buckshot Jones journalistic masturbate. And Steve I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that this was probably one of the first, if not the first National News Story magazine Article Newspaper Story About Buckshot so listen Randy Lajoie. If you're out there, listening to this. Yeah, you can blame it all on the. And, Steve then in the scene on the circuit section of the newspaper. There was an item. About a seven twenty-seven that had just dropped off a bunch of people at the Talladega airport. And it wound up blowing the windows out of the Charter, center. Good! Man That created just a wee bit of excitement there what you think. And then del Earnhardt on Oprah and the cranberry Haas team confirmed that it hit built a Lincoln mark seven to go test. Are you kidding me, so johnny is going to be tilling the track in the Lake Lincoln. Man Wonder what kind of stereo system it had in it. Leather seats. And stay finally this week we have increased patriots support from Halley emory and we have new pay pal support from elven bear Halley Elvin. Thank you. Thank you so much for your support. Supporters on patriotic supporters on pay pal support queue wear. Support Brian Caleb. They have gotten us to where we are today. If you're out there and you appreciate the interviews that we do if you appreciate the discussion that Stephen are have very weak if you appreciate the content that we're trying to provide during these trying times these crazy time these uncertain times. Consider helping us out on patriotic and or on pay pal, so you can do that. At Patriotair Dot com slash the sane bought podcast, or if you'd rather just do a one time show of support, you can do that at pay POW DOT me. Slash the same bought podcast. Talladega nineteen ninety six now. Can you take that day? What do you remember? I REMEMBER Like most racers I remember coming into the day. The fourth in points. Ninety nine and points out the point we. Had such a great start to the south more year. Battled for the win at Rockingham battled for the win at Darlington. and. Just like everything is coming together. You know just be any them. I was never real comfortable, Talladega. in a more so daytona because you really did have to work at Warren colleagues just so darn easy. But there was a science to that. I didn't understand at the time. Steve. Running mid pack and and Jeff Gordon Mark Martin got together. and. I don't remember saying I gotTa go, but instinctively turned away from the incident. And then current came down I think it was war bird. over his hood. And I hit the wall so hard that I remember to myself. I hit the wall upside down in an understanding myself. Who At least as over and what I didn't realize. Is that was air? Now. I remember in beating after that until. Waking Up. In when I woke up. I was vomiting helmet on, and that was wanting Alma Gosh. And seve. Peterson was on the hood of the car. And they were cutting the roof off. Steve Peterson, who worked for NASCAR for a long time, had a history of in the asa series of Mark Marm, Radon really good guy. He said to me ricky what hurts. Camry. He goes small breasts. Small breasts got fill your lungs up again. You gotta fill your lungs up and. Finally common breath in I said a Steve I got something through the sticking in my back. I got something might pack. and. He said all right we'll. Get we'll. Get the roof off gets. All must offer. Get you out here, good. And He said maybe a couple minutes later. He's a rick is nothing in the state? Maybe maybe a bulb came to the back seat or something. I don't remember specifically how he he dealt with her. Legitimize my pain, but. They got me out. Came through the seat. If flew me to Birmingham. A compression fracture of my. t three and t four vertebrae, and that that that sensation it wasn't the worst pain at. This cessation was exactly as I described when I When when I woke in hice. It's got something. Penetrated the see something agency sticking my. That's what it felt like in A. I had a concussion. But warm quarterly of. It had. It Really Kinda had A. Miscarriage, but really the rest of the year, but. Several months. It disrupted the whole season because racing pain I wasn't sleeping. I just wasn't effective after that took me a long time. Well, in the middle of all that at some point, a conversation get started with Hendrick motorsports, and you've talked about your relationship with Jeff. Gordon in the Busch series, and the relationship with Dupont and everything. Is that Kinda? What opened the door at Hendrick, your relationship with Jeff. What actually opened the door was. I had such a strong relationship with Larry Hedrick. and. He offered me essentially a lifetime contract. I know that sounds like a stretch. You can go back and look. It really existed and. Enlarged heart because we as such an incredible start to my sophomore year one year ninth. Race Star Ninety six and I think we both believe that sky's the limit. Earlier, that year we recruited some talent from up North Tommy Baldwin was among them and Tommy Baldwin came down joined us he. Very very big impact. Impact Influence on team. And Tommy had left to go star program for Tony Stewart and Harry like a fifteen race was friend National Opportunity Tony was just dabble will ask them. And and. There were a few other things that happened and I saw I never signed a contract. But I heard about. Three or four weeks later, that strata route was leaving. Cross has the red hand will also close friends were. In the garage area of Bristol more feed way. And I said I said that any said. Are you available and I said. On the next, that was on I think it was a Saturday night. AVARICE bristle. Yeah, they don't lay some so anyway. The on Monday with fault Monday Paul Cab. In Linnet, it started this cascade. Of. Sequence of events in would ultimately lead to me announcing going to Hendrick, motorsports. The any by to a close friend and some. Very very uncomfortable. Very Awkward Tongue because You know to some degree I've. To some degree, I knew that lesson people out with forty one team and On the other hand I also remembered a lot of advice from people I looked up to. which was you know you got? You gotTA. Take advantage of opportunity, and this is not a really want passing. The Daytona Five Hundred Jeff Gordon Wings Karroubi a second. You are third went through three finished for Hendrick Command, their champagne, victory, lane and everything. was that. You are finally made it moment. I feel that way, but I didn't feel like all right. I finally made it but I. Remember what the is over. Gathering the Dryer Bam. And! Come to the realization I just finished third in the Daytona five hundred burdening was only my third attempt. In feeling as though okay. I think I. really good chance of this. I think that. That this is all materializing as I'd hoped. The first two years. Were you know there was a challenge just like the injury? Talladega very disruptive, but we really work performing to come out of the gate, my debut, or sports third the Daytona five heart. You're Rice Steve I don't I. Don't remember actually having that moment rice at. All right made it, but I. Suppose I. Did have that feeling like I was no longer looking over my shoulder. It's like okay, not. Legitimate legitimize my existence, maybe mistake. Ricky the inaugural Texas wants to cup race. Everybody's complaining about the race track, and it winds up biting you pretty hard in practice. What is your earliest memory after the accident? It was brutal. Talladega guy scratchy everybody wants to tell to this day is on Youtube and they say. How did he survive and the? Facts of the matter is I would want to do it again. Let that happen to two or three times before I ever experienced anything like Texas. Here's why in by the way I don't think there's any footage of Texas but I was the fastest car early. In practice in member of being wide open through one and two, but I had lift lifted three and four. And somebody of jump to the top I think it was ricky rudd in indy grabs, crew, chief and You, don't we have a reasonable star? To the ninety seven season but I said Taybeh and It was really too early for that. That's the only part of this that I can be. The Be Subjective tour. Say I mistake, or you know I. I really shouldn't have done that. Because the part where it was too early to be making qualifier in I do remember going through wanted to open. In narrowly got off turn to without straighten. Loops. No I'm going down the backstretch. Is like I gotTa make a little wider inch into the core in I. Don't remember anything after that. Except in sometimes, this is this is weird. PTSD. But I've had dreams. Since. I wake up because I hear this. Is Repetitive Zam and I just wake up because I. had this repetitive sounded I believe what it is. Is that On the way to Parkland Hospital, they flew. From the racetrack from the front stretch to the hospital. In Dallas Fort Worth I woke up or I. BE KEEP conscious. In the helicopter. And I have this memory of hearing the the you know. and. And Then, it was just. Like. I said three, maybe more of a nightmare. I had signed my next of kin because I had no family with me. My vision was completely blurbs so I can see anything. Had blood come from my ear which By the grace of God, it wasn't a Basal skull fracture, but had prebaked concussion, but It? I had cut inside year. Probably from the impact in the ear, wold and Out was beaten up at a fractured SCAPULA. That I have to say that that really really disrupted my career I There was a period of about three or four weeks where I just really didn't care by road because. It was in so much pain. In my head hurts so bad. Even after I was released from hostile civil. There was a certain unity. That existed before that REX that no longer. Exists. In other words I never ever thought will getting hurt in a race car. Bobby before Talay Iraq. And then after my Talladega Iraq. In. Sort of a warped way of thinking, but this I think is how it driver has. Affluent Talladega wreck because it was so spectacular. Look like it was so spectacular. I almost my confidence, actually almost increased from that at least in terms of. invincibility because I said health I can still buy that I can survive any. What I didn't realize is that I hadn't survived the worse the reason Texas for so bad arisen. so detrimental to me. Is that I hit concrete at one hundred eighty miles our? In that abrupt stop. Just it took a little bit of my life yelling. There's a part of that I remember, but I also feel like very candidly. That I was never as fast after that is I wasn't for I felt like. If I go back to nineteen ninety one from nineteen ninety one. To that point ninety seven. There were times where I had a brilliant speed. and. Just see two the peanuts speed. After the Texas record felt like I was I, had to be much more calculated driver. And I didn't compete with blatant disregard that I think you have to have. To be. In? Xia. Incredible or Standing driver I don't know if I ever would have been. An no standing cut driver. But I but I. Can truthfully say that I didn't feel like I was outstanding cup driver. After the ninety seven seas, Technically, you missed only a couple of braces. So, what were you feeling once? You got back in a car. I was compromised came back, and he got I race tack with from Robo. Code Six hundred lead race few times, rate or rear gear fail. Are Battling for the lead thinking. We could go full six hundred but then the next week remember feeling off and not feeling good in the car and go three to four weeks the missile or not. I think what what really half. What caught up with me that I had Several concussions over a twelve month period and I had I think for concussions in a row. Leading up to Texas. is so a there's a price for everything and I. think that I was paying. In that. I was very insecure and driving the car for Hendry. There's no way to admit to anybody that compromise. Because I'm done. Now having said that if you cross paths with Jerry. I did go to one person I don't know if I've ever released. Shared. Sense from the blue with Rick. The Jury Punch will tell you that I was struggling on one of the tracks. And I said got minute in went and sat norelco. On Jerry since my. If I give version car, my is you know it's like? I have a hard time seeing. I cannot do log on anything. and. I never talked to him about it again. I almost regretted. I said to him an awkward position and The rest of ninety seven was hit or miss in. In in kind of all. The forefront beginning ninety eight. Urawa, in Nineteen Ninety ben made the decision to set out of the car now. How difficult was that for you? I remember coming back from the University of North Carolina being part of the medical facility with Dr Tani. They give you these tests. They put me up. Like a gyro Blue Aaron Lee ear. I, my left ear, my right ear. I was fine with one and then the. Switched ears in I started vom and. the diagnosis of assiduously. And I was. One hundred percent one year. In House about forty two percent in the other ear. and. I hadn't had a wreck in nineteen ninety eight four races. There was no there was nothing that happened. That would have suggested that I injured my. It was a residual of all what we went through in ninety seven. and. What people don't know who to stat. When I the first person I call was recaptured. And That was an emotional discussion that he and I had. he handled the way he handles everything. You know with a lot of grace. Almost immediately I sold an airplane. I began to make adjustments in my life because I. Really you know. Maybe I overreacted, but I really think I was going to be back coverage. Ricky your first race back you do said on the Paul at New Hampshire and you do qualify six that Indie, but again things just aren't clicking and you part ways with Hendrick motorsports later that year. I can't even begin to imagine how difficult. A position that must have been for you. Wasn't strong enough to admit that. But I can. I can tell you equivocally that At that point Rick My. Challenge was not the physical. Element. it was it was the mental side. I just listened to so many. Kenyans and I sort of bought into the idea that you know I'm. I'm damaged goods in that my best days behind. So. It it was. It was not. The, environment! On it came back that I had signed into in the beginning of ninety seven in the beginning of ninety seven. My competences sky. And there was so much enthusiasm and most of the People Henrik. Motor sports at least fell almost. Universally that everybody wanted me there, and that wasn't the case when I came back. and I understand it. I even understood then, but I was comfortable with it. the people working all day night working so hard. Because they have a love for the store and I think some of the crewmembers minds early well. Okay. We're getting driver back, but is you know? Is She one hundred percent? and. On. The other side of the complex is a team. You know the twenty four team that has just lighting. And, who wouldn't be envious about in and there's so many of those things that that I think wait on me and I was not equipped to deal with it. I really wasn't I. There are a lot of good people. that. I've been associated with my life in a lot of people I didn't. I didn't acknowledge that back then. The Way I do now. Because when you're in the moment and to some degree, you're on your heels. sightings ear existence. You don't always see good. To see a unique country defensive, say you know what's what's his objective. Is Objective help me? Or is this objective just to? Appease me and just get through this and to compete with that frame of mind. You're destined fail so. The rest of ninety was You know I I think it was borrowed time. Hello Seen Ball podcast listeners. This is Eric Quinn from Q. Wear again I just want to say. Thank you for listening to the PODCAST Rick and Steve and the wonderful interviews. They've been doing with the folks from NASCAR history. The drivers crew chiefs the people that made it all happened over the US Qa. We are very proud to be a part of this podcast and being able to bring it to you especially at a time when you have limited entertainment options, we hope. Hope that you're enjoying it and we hope that you get a chance to check us out at qr CMS DOT COM Q. Wears one of the most powerful simple use computerized maintenance management systems on the market for your facilities maintenance team. Whatever Your Business Czechoslo Q. Wear CMS DOT COM. We're here to help your team. Maintain excellence from all of us at Q. Where we hope that you and family stay safe in health now. Let's get back to the PODCAST. Thanks for listening. Steve you and I have heard a lot of different accounts from a lot of different drivers about a lot of different crashes. Since we started doing this podcast almost two years ago now I think back to ricky. Rudd crash in the nineteen eighty-four Busch clash that we discussed all the way back in episode twenty, but you should have seen that right from US ed, and with bud more in episode, nine eastern I can't see. I can't keep ISO shower got herself. I tape taped his is. He went back out and he run good. Lyndon talked about a couple of different crashes in episode thirty seven. And I might days of thunder. I'm just GONNA put the hammer down an animal come outside. I'm spinning almost almost over, but I'm spinning down the track going I'm doing. In episode, Fifty del Earnhardt Jr. talked about crashing during one of his very first tests in a busch series car I got out of the car. And I said down on the ground with my face in my hands thinking well, that's the end of my future. In episode sixty five, there was randy legitimize crash at Daytona during his qualifying race for the nineteen eighty-four, Daytona, five hundred. Belts and I'm watching and Elson. The fences gone and I'm seeing sky. But Steve to hear Ricky Craven go through the details of his Talladega accident. It really drove home to May. Just. How serious this sport can be at times. He basically a mentioned in the intro. He basically woke himself up throwing up inside his helmet, and then to hear about his exchanges with Steve Peterson, who was the NASCAR official on sane and St Peterson was basically talking him through what was taking place Roy. Clare Rick had no idea what happened ABC sick to his stomach disoriented and it was a good thing to see Peterson was there? Do Give Him something about calming influence by letting them know step by that. What was happening? He had had the wind knocked out of him, so Steve Kept telling him to take short deep brass to kind of fill his lungs backup. And, then once ricky was able to catch his breath. He told Steve that something had come through the seat. because. He felt this pain in his back right and that turned out to be a compression fracture of a couple of these vertebra, and he's back, and then of course for the rest of the nineteen ninety six season he was racing in pain, and they was not sleeping, and he was really Kinda struggling to put the pieces back together after this accident. Abso in being in pain and driving, continuing to drive just shows you. How determined. Ricky was to stay in that car and do his job through all that pain he had just five top twenty finishes the rest of the year, including nineteenth in Talladega summer race, and then a fifth at Charlotte and Steve, despite all that Ricky said Larry Hedrick. His car owner at the time offered him what amounted to a lifetime contract? He didn't sign it, so take that Bill Gardner. And less than a month later he hears that Ken schrader might be leaving Hendrick motorsports, and he runs into ray ever NAM during the Bristol night race weekend. They talk a little bit and Ray ass. Ricky, if he's available for the next season, so that was an impromptu conversation. That really meant a lot to ricky. I think that ray recognized if nothing else where he. He had a lot of determination, because if you look at finishes, not so good, but remember he was driving in pain and ray probably realized that and said we may have been here Steve that is during the Bristol night race weekend, and then Monday Rick Hendrick calls him. Yeah, they talk. He signed contract, and the rest of the season is probably a little awkward. With Larry. Hedrick so. That team, so a little bit of a lame duck situation there but I think Larry did realize it if ricky had an opportunity to Racer Kendrick. Larry would stand in his way, so ricky does make the move from Hendrick, motorsports, Hendrick motorsports, and Steve, his first rice with the team right out of the box he finished his third in the Daytona five hundred behind new. Mates Jeff Gordon and Terry La Bonnie. That's a one two three finish for Rick Hendrick and they're spraying champagne and bicker lane, and always think back to Derek Lan about being able to remember the warmth of the sun on his face in the winner's circle after winning the nineteen. Ninety Daytona five hundred, so that's probably a watershed moment for ricky craven because. To me that would be the moment that let me know that I had arrived in the sport. Yeah, I think Ricky would agree with you on that also think that what was interesting was that all three of them were in victory lane, spraying champagne and Formula One. You always see a podium finish. Guys always in Victory Lane, Nash. Bad doesn't happen, but this time this time it was an obvious situation, but all three of them to be in there, because they were all three hundred drivers and behead one-two-three finish for and motor sports. Don't see a cover. A friend national scene with three guys victory Berry off. Mer. Steve He's driving for Hendrick motorsports. He has superior sponsorship from Budweiser. So everything's clicking. And then they go to Texas for the first Winston Cup race there and Steve There are several accidents in practice and qualifying, and then in rice itself include one going into turn one on the first lap of the race, but Steve Ricky was very badly injured during practice. For. That event practice was a mess I remember several cars crashing during practice as a hybrid call, they were somewhat concerned about the configuration of the track going into and out of the fourth turn that senior be the place where most of the accidents happen and couldn't quite figure out how to get through there. We'll stay. That's exactly where Ricky Jackson. And it took place and stay. This really stuck with me Ricky said that he would have experienced the. The TALLADEGA crash two or three times over rather than go through what he experienced in the Texas. OCSTA- now that was a pretty powerful statement to make in this crash fractured ricky's right shoulder blade. It broke at least a couple of reloads. Those kinds of things those things heal up easily, but it also left him with a severe concussion, and that is the difference in this wreck and the Talladega arrest. A concussion can be a very dangerous thing. I don't think I will ever ever ever forget. Ricky talking about his dream of hearing. The rotor blades at the life flight helicopter, taking him out of the race track sensory memory. is so strong. Very strong absolutely and you know again I. Commend Ricky for telling us that you know. He didn't have to say that. That was a pretty private moment. Sure mock you say I think that took a lot for him to be able to share and admit so I again. That meant a lot to me that he had that much confidence in us to tell us that so. Steve Here's another thing about the accident that I did not know. I didn't know that Ricky had been flown to Parkland Hospital in Dallas. And that's where JFK was taken after he was shot and Dallas Steve Wade, where were you when you heard that? JFK had been assassinated I was in junior high gym class and I remember. The teacher who was a coach, he came in and he called off his basketball game. We were playing. He told us that the president had been shot and classes over. As a matter of fact, school was over that day, and everybody went home this accident at Texas. It did derail Ricky's career, and it derailed Ricky's career in a big way, and he even admitted that for two or three weeks. He wondered if he even wanted to drive again and Steve. That would be normal reaction for most. Oh. Oh Yeah John with ricky saying he had no, if he ever wanted to drive in come on. What person wouldn't feel that way? After suffering the types of accidents that ricky had I mean that's that's demoralizing. No question stay. He talked about this immunity that had existed for him where he could kind of compartmentalize the danger of the sport, and then all of a sudden that sense of invincibility. Was No longer there. It's one thing to face the physical limitations that were caused by that accident. The bones will he'll back. The headache will hopefully go away. But that mental roadblock. I think would be one of the toughest obstacles to overcome. I agree because if you're a race driver, you have this type of accident more than one. Abilities you so bad, you've got real. You've got to have some doubt and doubt. Come from the mine, not a broken bone, and that's exactly I think the position Ricky Founding Zell. He'd been able to rationalize his Talladega Iraq by telling himself. If I can get through that I can get through anything. Because the accident on you to. Thousands of us. It is a spectacular accident. The photos of it are just unreal, but he made it through that crash. In relatively good shape, he was able to continue rice, and but the Texas accent or that happened. We've already discussed this a little bit back. Put Him in a different frame of mind because he had to be thinking after that. Maybe I can't get through anything. A one thing that was kind of telling to me was how ricky said that he felt like he was never as fast after the Texas accident. As he had been before. He said that he became a much more calculating grabber. And Save. I'll be honest with you I. Don't know that that wasn't a good thing. In the long run because I kind of compare it to a pitcher in baseball who has thrown smoke his entire career, those one hundred miles an hour, and then suffers an arm injury of some sort, and then has to relearn how to compete. And becomes more of a finesse pitcher afterwards, so he's pitching. Instead of just throw. I think a lot of baseball. Players arm. Injuries became famous pitchers after they were guys throwing smoke earlier. They do. Rick because they could not perform in the way they used to, so they had to adapt well. I think race drivers are pretty much the same thing. especially the driver that goes through what Ricky wet through the to horrible accident mindset had to change so much nineteen, ninety eight, he runs the first four races of the year, and he steps out of the car. He comes back later in the season, and it's not much better if it all, and he leaves Hendrick Motor Sports for good. Imagine what that must have been like after the promise of how that deal with Hendrick motorsports started out. To See it all. It's emotional for me just talking about it. Didn't happen to me happening, Ricky Craven, but to think about what he experienced in the just absolute roller coaster of emotions. You have to feel for the guy where you have to consider what I said. Earlier racing can be a very cruel fate, and it was just that Bariki craving at this point in his career and Steve The bottom line is that he did afterwards wonder if he was damaged goods. Yeah, and he did wonder where his career was going to go from there, and you can under your understand that absolutely you can understand that Steve. That's why I think the fact that he was able to come back from that and win at Martinsville in that great finished with Dell, and then after that go to Darlington and have one of the all time. GREATEST FINISHES IN NASCAR history. With Kurt Busch. That is the story that's the rocky Balboa moment that says a lot about ricky craven character to come back and do what he did. When earlier he was thinking, his career might be over. Steve Follow Bronchial on Instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway. T S J, dot, et dot COM This week we had t shirts from Dick trickle hoosier racing tire. We had a snake bit monster truck shirt. Still haven't come up with a maximum destruction one, so I don't know about that, but. We also had a Jeff Burton go number, ninety nine rouse racing, t shirt, a Christian Fittipaldi, Indycar, taste or a NASCAR super trucks, t shirt, a Talladega diehard five hundred t shirt. Way. I could go home, but It's all some stuff that he's able to come up with so follow Bronco on Instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway, T S J dot, Oetzi Dot Com. That's speedway T S J Dot, e., T. S.. Dot Com. Steve The may second. Nineteen Ninety six issue Winston Cup saying Kerry coverage of the Winston select five hundred at Talladega lap, seventy eight BILL ELLIOTT GETS SIDEWAYS COMING OFF, turn two and his car just images of that car. His car almost seems to float in the air. A little bit doesn't actually turn over, but it comes down really hard on it side and Brian Hallman. Who was one of our Free Lance photographers was on the backstretch. He's also one of our zoom call regulars. He got a series of brilliant photographs of that accident that cars just hanging there in the air, but the impact of it coming back down and hitting the ground, actually broke bills laughed famer. An accident like that to those of us up in the press box doesn't look nearly as bad as cars barrel, which they did, Talladega often and so we thought there, which is going to climb out walkway, probably not. injured, because so many guys who rolled hair cars got up and they were fine, but bill. He, wouldn't he wouldn't find by any stretch of ideation. Bill actually wound up missing some Tom for the first time in his career. After that accident. Happily, he missed like five races. Back at Daytona in the summer, so that was a big time for him. Bill had pitted on lap sixty three during the caution, and when it wasn't the best of the PITSTOPS, Bill had to start back pack a little bit and his crew chief Mike Beim said afterwards we put him in that situation. We had a bad pit stop and we put him there. I'm. I'm pretty upset about so. That's a kerchief taken the way to the world on his shoulders, and admitted that his guys made a little bit of mistaken. Put their driver in a bad situation, so that was a pretty heavy load for might Beim to be carrying, and that indicates clearly that raising is a team sport. You can't maybe on the driver although we always do. When something happens on the track, but this is a clear indication of how a pit crew, the team members when I do things, property put their driver in a bad spot might continued and said I. Don't know what to feel. I've never felt like this. The last time we went through something like this was Atlanta in nineteen ninety. That was referring to the accident on pit road that costs Mike riches life. You get so close to people and it's just amazing. The emotion run through you try to be I. Don't know tough about it, but still you fill them. You're almost numb. You don't know what to feel, but he's going to be just fine bill. That was certainly a bad day for Mike and bill and the entire team, no question about it, but in no as much said Bill. We stop and he'd be back and that's exactly what happened. Now Ricky's accident took place on lap one thirty. When Jeff Gordon and mark, Martin got together going into turn, one in all fourteen cars were involved in the accident and our photographer, who is on the Sane David Chink nailed that ax stay. The photos that David Guy Incredible and if those shots weren't scary, enough fill CAPELLI. Who is our photo editor? He got one of Ernie. Irving's Robert Gates raising forward in the garage. And Steven it looks like the roof of that car looks like somebody had actually tried to peel it open. With a rusty can opener from where Ricky had actually rolled over him. Young photographers on Monday will read on top of their game, but I will say this were there would hardly a race Dir my time, it seemed there was hardly a race where tigers not at the top of their game. So the photos in this issue are just incredible. You did the sidebar on the crash in it Larry Hedrick said Ricky said his back hurts, and there's a bruise on his arm. Coherent, but he feels rotten. She can well imagine yeah, that would be bad day at the office. I think so. That would be a really bad day at the office. Mark Martin said Gordon got pinched into the wall, which wound up turning me I had a car on the inside, pushing me up and I. think that was actually Ricky Craven and Gordon was just a little bit on that side. I may at that point. There wasn't anything that Jeff could do hardly at all, and there wasn't anything I could do it. All the was just on. That's all and that's Talladega for you. Racing in big packs, one mistake is all it takes. This is what Jeff Gordon had to say. It's a shame that happened I hated to get into mark mark and I got together, and we just started wrecking. He didn't have any room on the inside of him. It was just kind of a squeeze play. It's one of the scariest. You can imagine every time I opened my eyes I got hit, so I just closed my eyes I'd be sliding along and you think it's going to stop and then boom. Someone else would hate you. It's the first time I've been in Iraq like that and it wasn't fun. We were all going for one position. That's my point. All going for one position is one thing, but when you do that on track, you only take small mistake to make things turned into a disaster. The race came down to Starla Marlin and del Jarrett battling out basically by themselves with third-placed Dale Earnhardt at the head of the line of cars. Maybe ten twenty car likes back. Round Up Sterling Marlin. Won The race held him off by twenty one hundreds of a second? and. This was the fifth win or starlings. Career the fourth on a restrictor plate track he had won the nineteen, ninety, four, not ninety, five Daytona, five hundred's, and this was his second win in a row at Talladega. Now stave what made starling such a great restrictor plate racer oil I ball. He loved those rexes. Just like Buddy Baker did by the bakeries known as Super, waster, Nisei and stern among that role during this particular time, he had the car and the engine the. Engine. Run Pittman. Case Costa after the Rice Darling said his Morgan. McClure motorsports Chevrolet was the best car he had ever driven. And what's more, Pittman had stayed home from Martin's while the week before to work on the Talladega engine now i. have this image I just have this average run pittman in the laboratory and the white coat, the toothpick hanging out of his mouth. He's like a mad scientist. I was GONNA. Say Dr Frankenstein I Frankenstein movie. Looks so presenting goes. It's alive. It's alive. After winning the two previous Daytona five hundred sterling had actually fallen out of the nineteen, ninety, six hundred after completing only eighty one laps with a bad engine, he was credited with a fortieth place finish, which was not good enough for that team at that time on that kind of restrictor plate track. Well, obviously, something went wrong very wrong. That's why grunt was. was going back to work. Instead going to Martinsville and starling, say way probably tested about a thousand or twelve hundred miles for this race. We made sure we weren't going to have the same problems. We had with the engine at Daytona, and he didn't have any problems with this engine this day. No, he didn't. And that's what you call overcoming adversity with hard work. Steve in this issue, there was a feature story written by Godwin Kelly on Bob Johnson, who was serving as Mike Wallace's crew chief for car owner. Junie Dan Levy at the time now. After the nineteen ninety four season he had gone to the doctor and was told that he was basically. A heart attack waiting to happen the primary vein, his chest, that sent blood to his heart, was almost completely blocked, and he was told to avoid stress and fatty foods now fatty foods is one thing, but Bob Johnson had always been known as a guy who had a little bit of a temper, and he also evidently had a little bit suitcase Jake. Bob had actually started his career up in the northeast with rob. Usha Art on the modified time. And then he moved with ron down south to the rice hill farms tame, and was working there when Ron took that just amazing when. In nineteen eighty one bob left that team went back north came back work for Junie for a year, then helped Bob Wet can get that team up to speed moved over to decay are extreme with Ernie Arvin his driver nineteen ninety. He worked for the wood brothers. Any went to Richard Jackson's team. Then he went to cal Yarborough motorsports then today Rochas team. Then a butcher's tame. That Richard Beattie was filled in for Rodney. Goth's then back to Jimmy Don Levy's teams. In this story was written now. His rice and reference page list thirty five different entries. Over the course of a sixteen year career I'll record I. Ask you to repeat that place. He went up north. He came back. He went back up north and he came back. That's good enough. Suitcase Bob Bob said in this story some days. It can still get to you I try not to let it. It doesn't do any good. If you do I'm a lot better at a little older age than I used to be I used to be kind of a terror when I was in my late twenties early thirties when things didn't go right, you live and learn as you get older. It doesn't pay anything to get upset. Just heartburn mostly. Well I. Don't know how calm mob became in his later years, Steve, back in the September twenty fifth nineteen eighty issue, grand national say, there are a couple of photos of Bob on the inside cover arguing with a NASCAR official now look. We ran a lot of different pictures of people arguing with NASCAR officials. That's just the nature of the beast, but what makes these photos? A little bit more out of the ordinary is the fact that doesn't have a shirt on. Your Either of these photos, so I don't know the circumstances I don't know if it somehow got torn off of them or eight door Ralph himself, or this was after the race, and he's changing. Closing an saw the official I. Don't know, but the fact is. He's giving him down the road and he got shared on and look on his face. Yeah, BOB whitten happy! I've seen Bob a rage more than once, but he was always closed. Graham around. Steve another feature story that ran in this issue. This kid Roy Jones. How I mean bucks I I, it was written by yours truly it basically centered on the help that Buckshot was getting from the Pearson Family Crew Chief Ricky Pearson and his Dad David and also eighty was working on the team. At that time I blaze, so he had a lot of help from the Pearson. Clan Qua-, tell you what if you're wanting to get help and race in Persian clan as a darn good place to go for. David said in this story. He still a rookie. He's just now learning and he's still got a lot to learn, but the biggest thing I think really is. He just tries to hard at times. Of course, he's a little bit gun shy right now because he's tore up a few cars, then shy, Buckshot I I got higher out it. Was Intentional No I. Don't think it was you know it wasn't. Any time you get that way you've got that on your mind after that you're. GonNa be careful. He's got plenty of talent there. He just needs more experience and they was bought on as far as I'm concerned I. Think you recognize that was. You're right in the story Steve. Actually texted a picture of the story to Buckshot yesterday. He texted me back and he said that he actually has this story framed and hanging up in his house or how about? Now is a dead, just special. In the Saint on the circuit section, a group of crew members, team owners and media members arrived at the Talladega airport on board, a Boeing seven, twenty seven on the morning of the race, and when the plane started taxi away from the gate, it's engine. Blast shattered the windows of the Charter Center. Glass flying through the lobby pieces of glass as large as two feet wide, were blown maybe fifty feet across the lobby. There was a four wheeler there. It got blown forty feet away and Steve Nobody was hurt. That has absolutely amazing very fortunate by the way glad nobody was, but that's amazing. One of our free Lance Photographers Eric Von was on board that fly, and he evidently saw what was about to happen, and he pushed Joe Gibbs back into the bathroom that he was about to exit, and Joe said in the news story. I didn't know if it was a hurricane or what then I saw. A plane had crashed into the airport. Blast was pulling the ceiling tiles down on top of me. I got hit by the door from guys. Dive to get away from the glass. That must have been just utter chaos. That's right out of a Hollywood disaster movie I'm telling you I'm just flabbergasted that nobody was hurt. I was pretty notorious for not locking to fly when I was at saying, but that had to do when we were actually in fly I I didn't know the pilot so I didn't know what Kinda Day. He was having so I got nervous. Not I want. Want to be in control of that plane and what's I was back on the ground? I was fine now. I don't know what would have happened if I had been in that lobby when all that happened. It's one thing to be concerned about being in fly. It's another thing to actually have to still be concerned when you're back on the ground, begin. Absolutely situation like this. You probably would think at your owner attack. The airport's manager said that there had been a miscommunication between the rampage assigned to park the plane and the pilot, and that caused the pilot to have to turn the plane around to leave the ramp. And the airport manager said I didn't think it would blow. The wind is out, but I knew that it would be a lot of thrust, yes. What our yeah. A Lot. I didn't think. Our, let's not test it out and see. This ain't mythbusters you know. Stay another item that ran in the new section Dale Earnhardt was in Chicago the week before the rise to type an appearance on Oprah for a meet your favorite sport celebrity segment Tom, Martin had been paralyzed in an automobile accident at the age of sixteen, and he wound up graduate high school on time, and was in college with a four point Oh. GPA Pre Med classes. And so his mom wrote into Oprah and. One thing led to another and deller heart is on the Oprah show listen I can see del Earnhardt. Ban On hunting show an outdoor show, but on Oprah baronies soul demands a millions of viewers Yeah, that wouldn't just doesn't seem to connect for me. I can understand that, but they did a bunch of television that you wouldn't expect. It was on the tonight show where Jay Leno one time, and they raised riding lawnmowers Michael Kranish confirmed that his team which was filled in Ford's for John, Andretti at the time He. He confirmed that they had actually built a Lincoln Mark Seven for John, go test now Michael said in this news item. We're just trying to see if we can come up with a better car. We have got to concede that our team is not at the top with Ford and we often don't get the benefits. Others receive so we have to create our own deal if it works now. John Did test the car at Charlotte the next week, but it never actually ran in a race, nor did anybody ever expected to. Hi I'm perk Shell. Marine and you're listening to the scene vault podcast. He'll be careful going home. Use Your turn signal. Wear your seatbelts. Get the hell out the left lane. Stave here's my weekly update in March twenty four hours of bonus, challenge. Okay I now stand at four, thousand, seven, hundred and twenty one point five one miles. That leaves me two hundred and seventy eight point four nine miles short of five thousand. I got the big idea that I was going to do five miles on, Saturday, and I did do them. But. Let's just say that was outside. Limit. Well May I ask you of what I need to be doing. Ask You a question when you're doing this outside. If people caught on to you and say, here comes reckless wave more. There goes that crazy Houston did. You see people out there and they way. How reacting how they wrecking. Well that's just a natural thing. I made people all the time. Tell me that they've same walk in town or running in town and I always apologize for subjecting them to that side. But Yeah I've had more than one person stopped asked if I need some help. Ask You if you're trying to emulate forrest gump. Well they know that about me already so. But yeah, Saturday that last mile or so. That was pretty tough this coming Saturday. I might try five again, but I may back down to four four and a half just based off our fill this week. I gotta get to my five thousand also don't forget about our zoom calls on Thursdays at seven PM last week. We had Steve Mail on the call Steve Male. 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Biden had a forty eight percent. had forty eight percent support compared to trump's forty percent the same survey last month had the opponents tied at forty two percent. The poll also shows the presumptive Democratic nominee with a major advantage among senior voters and independents American flags being flown at half staff in honor of Corona. Virus Victims President Trump says he's ordered. Flags lowered on Federal Buildings and national monuments for the next three days on Memorial Day Monday. The flags will be at half staff to honor those in the military who died for our country. The. Senate majority leader says another corona virus relief package isn't too far off Mitch. McConnell, told Fox News. There's a high likelihood for another rescue package, but they aren't ready just yet to lay out the next steps McConnell argued, lawmakers need to provide help to those who desperately need it and save as many jobs as possible. 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If there are going to be any open, the guidelines released just ahead Memorial Day weekend say pool operator should encourage people to wear masks when they're not in the pool, they also say seating areas should be six feet apart, and swimmers should stay six feet away from others. CDC's says parents should consider whether their kids can stay six feet away from people that they don't live with, and if not don't take them to the pool. which I don't know how you could possibly stay six feet away. Yeah. I mean it's not like waters more. Dangerous in terms of transmission standpoint, it's just the social distancing thing, so if you go to a public pool, you can't really stay six feet away from everybody especially if it's crowded in the locker room or in the actual pole. Yeah they're going to have to. Cut the, attendance by like three fourths. While I. Read an article, not the beaches. It's not the pools. It's the bathrooms it's the chairs like going there. It's not an issue. 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The series started last night with a twenty nineteen show from Salt Lake City, guns N. roses canceled their US summer tour because of the pandemic. It shows that it's those are wide open. There's no protection on account neck. In the front. They're just showing girls with like tank tops on. I don't know. Maybe I'm on the wrong site x hamster. Right. Okay. Finally actor, I don't WanNa I. Don't WanNa know what ex- hamster is. What is that I never? A underground adults I. is that Dr? Former producers favorite place to go? Mike laughed like he knows what it is. I know why it's an next hamster. Is it like X. Hamster as informer, hamster or rated x hamster? Expired Hamster. Expired Hanser Jesus in getting just. It's a fun name and it's like a mascot for a pornographic site I don't. I don't know that I've ever seen a hamster on that website. That's a rough one. Stay away from that one. Locked. Her and her husband will be serving prison time after agreeing to plead guilty in the college admissions for skate a case big breaking news yesterday, Lachlan is agreeing to spend two months in federal prison for paying five hundred thousand dollars to help get her daughters in the USC as They called crew members. Is that what it is rowing? Through the crew team her fashion designer has been Masa mode. GIANOLA sentence will be five months in prison. They'll also have to pay some fines as well I wonder if does he still have his close at target? Probably. But why did they do that? Val I mean that didn't. Felicity I guess spend eleven days in jail. Yeah something like that. They stretch. Money and Time it's not gonNa hit, Oz. He'll by he'll by the prison system. And then to. Jump suits. Right Going in and instead of birds. Rain today, maybe even a thunderstorm temperatures right around seventy for the high sixty one at DV E. Joining us right now from it's about the warrior. Our friend Steve Motley on Steve Good Morning. How are you buddy? Lorna folks, are you? Doing okay well, Memorial Day weekend is here and you know I think people sometimes get memorial. Day and veterans. Day confused a little bit so for those who might need a quick refresher especially to. Veterans what what is Memorial Day all about. Memorial Day's remembering those who gave the ultimate sacrifice. To their country And Veterans Day was basically. Thank for service. Yeah, but Memorial Day is just. Remember those who. Sacrificed gave their lives to their country. and. We're going to be doing that all weekend long. Of course here and you guys It's about the warrior for those who don't know if you could you know. We always like to give a quick refresher on the great work that you're doing here in western Pennsylvania for those who might just be hearing somehow about it's about the warrior foundation for the first time. Tell us what it's all about. we have a variety of programs one of our programs, really such focusing on his mental and physical health. Office expert with Doctor. Tom Burnett Generation Pittsburgh he does things of. This mental health biofeedback we have to fiber acoustic pets I would say lay on the bed and listen to music for the VIBE. And vibrates still good for the the mind and the soul, and then there's we have some beamer beds, and then he does a of pain. Management was pressure-point. Needle injections acupuncture PRP's themselves. I never have our outrage IV room as well and then with our outreach programs. We have a hockey team. Better talk team because for war dogs. Golf which we just started doing the softball teams. We have a great outdoor program hunting and Fishing Ryder Events I. The best thing I tell people is gonNA website. Check out our programs and go from there. Steve I wanted to ask you because I just being around you and being around. A T. W.. Twa? For so many years I know how much you guys do with interacting with veterans, and I wanted to ask you. How covert has affected the work that you do with the vets and when you're GONNA be able to get back to normal. Well. We've taken a hit you know, obviously you know financially donations, and we understand that, but my main concern is. You know the mental health and physical health of our guys Darwinism. Hasn't been a real good experience for the last two months in a Lotta guys for Tampa Guy. So in the until four thirty in the morning Monday nights call me at two thirty in the morning, having a bad day, heavy combat he you know. He had a young child in Afghanistan. He held his arms and then she died. You just can't get that image out of his mind, so you know you can imagine being locked up and you can't do much. Anxiety sets in stress anger now and. Just been a tough time for our guys. What I've been doing is having zoom meetings. You know once a week or once every ten days with our guys and people who wants to jump in and. Be To sit there for a couple of hours and bus job as usual and try to have some kind of normalcy. Tobacco imagine that studies have shown that be fellowship of what you guys are able to provide with. It's about the warrior that the Camaraderie and the the talk therapy, and just being there for one another does as much for PTSD and veterans as any medication or any other therapy I would imagine the the ability to be there for one another right now, and to provide opportunity for pets to congregate, even if it's over zoom right now by being there as an organizational leader that has had profound effects on helping people get a whole lot better. Absolutely, you know. When this all occurred a a lot of anger at first and you know. I can only imagine just people in general with mental health, and my guys suffer from you know Pete Jesse and traumatic brain, injury and just. Listening to them as what they WANNA and people say what can I do for veterans? Listen especially guys that are struggling. That's all they want. and I'm to them twenty, four seven and. Like, I said we're just trying to do as much as McCain of San touch and keep everybody. Some kind of normalcy at this time, but yeah like you, said the fellowship huge. It's about the Warrior Foundation. You can donate. W. F. Dot US corrected I. Get that, right. I E WWF Arlegui developed to the link didn't add up for some reason years ago. Okay. It doesn't out us. Okay, and you guys teamed up with the Pat Tillman, foundation also and it was supposed to start this year, but it's GonNa be next year right the first. Tillman run. YEA The. Virtually, Like everybody else's wanting to runs, but yeah. We partner with Pat Tillman Foundation, WE'RE GONNA. Have People teats? Shanley Park but we're GONNA do next year and then. We actually partnered with Maryland Youth Foundation. And the state police. Troopers Association and next year we're, GonNa have a heroes. Cup Pittsburgh, here's a cup hockey tournament. Try to get thirty teams from all the country. you know golf automated move at the August's? It'll stonewall. Cities so yeah, we're going to stop just trying to. Maintain it's like I said normal. Use The word I like to use and touchy. Everybody under control. That's that's the. That's the key. By the way the Jon Krakauer book where Men Win Glory. The Pat Tillman biography outstanding read highest recommendation. And as always Steve thanks for all the great work. You're doing here in western Pennsylvania for Post, nine eleven, vets and if somebody needs help, how can they find it with? It's about the Warrior Foundation. GAR website I t? W DOT US. DONATIONS TAB or donate. There's volunteer tabby football here in contact as you get a hold of this give any questions and we'll try to help you out as best as I can or. Can't. Steve Leeann from it's about the warrior. Thanks so much man have a great weekend. Thanks for all you do. Thank you, do we? I brother. We'll see him in Steve Malia. Everybody Steve and they do great work. It's about the where your foundation here in Pittsburgh and all of western Pennsylvania in the Tri State area as a matter of fact, all right so up next Mike pursued has got your sports when we come back here Mike. What are we going to be focusing on this hour? WE'RE GONNA. Look at. Perhaps the return of hockey and take a look back at hockey from days of your specifically the nineteen ninety one penguins. And a little bit later on this morning we're going to be talking to Sean. Collier reviewing the love birds. Panther Not Scott Blazey with our first virtual coffeehouse and a Tom's with Joe Barton Nick later this morning, comparing the Bulls, dynasties of the ninety, while they're dynasty of the nineties and the penguins, which player matches up with which player who would be the horace grant of the penguins. Dynasties Joan kick all that around for you later this morning. Sports. All right here's Mike Pursuit of with your sports now on TV. Sports US brought to you by keystone cleaning services, there are multiple reports that the H. L. Players Association Executive Board Is Voting On that twenty four team returned to play proposal that we detailed yesterday. The results that voting may be known today might take a little bit longer, but the plan at least from leaks perspective. is to give the top four teams in each conference a first round bye. And then play the fifth seed against the twelve seed to succeed against the eleventh, the seventh against the tenth and the eighth against the night. These. These seeds would be determined by points percentage because people have played. An uneven amount of games and while. The five through twelve groups would be playing best of five play in series. The teams with the buys would be playing. Just to kind of play and get used to play again No blood, but they would get to play some games, and then when the five through twelve series best of fives are completed. They would be down to sixteen teams, and they would go to a seven game format and do it like they always do it. down from sixteen to the Stanley Cup champion. That's not the only hurdle. That hockey's got to overcome to get back on the ice. They still have to resolve testing protocols. Potential visa is that might be experienced by players who have scattered across the globe, and whether or not to use hub cities? it's looking like the momentum's headed toward using to hub cities to play this stuff out without fans that will be a difficult transition. penguins forward Brandon Tanith spoke about that this week, but said that one of the ways the players will get over. It will be their desire to get back what they've all come to understand what they've really been missing during the NHL Pause. I. Think obviously there's going to be an adjustment period but I. Think you know the League in our organizations are are are working. Things through right now into a great job When when we resume and I think you know that's as the main focus. Here is to get back to the game that we all love when when things are are right. Right for us to do that. Obviously, there's there's more important things going on right now in the world, and that's everyone's health and safety, but at the same time once we're able to be back in and being the environment of the locker room with all the guys and be be playing the game that we love so much. I think there's going to be. An added enthusiasm and love for what we've missed over the past couple of months. I think that is going to drive us a little more. I mean obviously it's going to be tough and a little at times stepping back on the ice, and and having those expectations, but I think working through that that adversity is GonNa, make you better through all this and I'm sure everyone is really excited and edging back on the ice. Makes a great point, but I wonder if the locker room will be the same. We've heard a lot from major league baseball about how they're going to need an additional locker room for each team. At wherever they end up playing. If they end up playing again because they've got a social distance, the locker room and lockers six feet apart, and they're not big enough as they as they exist, I wonder if that scenario will carry over to the NHL. Well. By virtue of how they have to sit in the NHL there. They have to sit close on the bench so. Sitting close in the locker I'm not sure how much that matters, and it's not easy to just pull up to the rink in your gear. Get Out of the car and put your skates over your shoulder going. Baseball a little bit easier to do that, but can you get dressed at home and drive to the rink in full uniform? Those guys did that as kids. Mom Mom. Drop them off and put the skates on. But hopefully hockey specs sooner rather than later in the meantime. We've got what used to be. At and T. sports that's got game. Six of the nineteen ninety-one. Stanley Cup final tonight. The penguins at the North Stars. We've also got the radio broadcast on our brother station one. Oh, five nine, the X. throughout this process of. At and T. and the ex rebroadcast re airing these old games for penguins, history Josh gets off has been able to interview a lot of the people involved at the time and the hall of Famer Mike Lang. Talked with Josh extensively about this nineteen ninety-one Penguins team which. You know the championships have piled up now, but this one was the first one. And the one that Hey if if you grew up kind of when I did. The thought of the penguins went into Stanley. Couples like going to the moon. If you were paying attention, you just hope they didn't go bankrupt and they had a team the next year. That was the goal just to be able to be involved, and for these guys to make it all the way to the Stanley Cup, final and win it miraculous on a lot of levels. Mike Lang talked with. Josh gets off about the influence of the head. Coach Badger Bob Johnson. who showed up as a different kind of guy and took some getting used to, but eventually everybody came around. He was like Bob Johnson was like no other coach, penguins or any player that play the game. Mock it seeing. then I say that from a standpoint. There wasn't a negative word in his approach to the game, and the players were kind of like. Is this for real? They were just stunned seriously in the first couple of weeks. as it went along, but they were finally realized. This guy was for real I mean he would do things that. No, other coach done I can remember them. Just I mean this is so stupid and it's so simple. But if you think about hockey in those days. And, maybe when they came out of escape. To Skate base gate him one direction and they were skated around the ice until they loosened up. In Badger which stop them and midsection. Make them go the other way. He says because you're in a game. You are going the other way at times, so he would make them circle back and do the rink. The other way and everybody would just look like, but they continue to do it, and he just became a friend of theirs and the the most. Notable thing that I remember about Bob. Johnson as He took everybody under his wing. if, you played for him. He would always put his arm around you and if you plan and he didn't have in the lineup. He. Would just simply tell you I'm going to need some day. I'm on a nature someday and that just sent. That never happened in hockey, but just didn't happen. Gene Call. You're saying how unusual Bob Johnson was in one of the stories. He told to illustrate that was that. Bob Johnson was like walking out of the hospital across the street from the arena one time and he's like what the? Badger everything right. He's like I was just getting to Sandwich. Great sandwiches over there you go. Great Sandwiches. Yeah, there's a million Badger Bob Johnson stories, but Beds are GonNa win that First Cup tonight on eighteen sports at the boy that was a fun team and I was talking to you guys yesterday a little bit about what jumped out at me from watching the game Wednesday night. And I talked about lemieux, aggressive and combative. He was and the arena, and what that looked like it I forgot to mention our buddy, the old to nine or man, he could fly. I forgot. The extent of his wheels. I mean you you remember. Is that kind of glue player that could do a lot of different things and fit in a lot of different places and an effort guy, a hustle guy and a character guy, but man can escape. Pirates announced furloughs beginning on June the first yesterday. Travis Williams said in a statement quote deeply about all of our employees and understand the impact. This will have on them. These decisions are very difficult, but are necessary for us to endure this crisis and emerges strongest possible when we're able to resume normal operations, we look forward to welcoming our employees back to work. At that time, nobody in baseball operations will be furloughed. It's affecting some people in the business department and case. You guys were wondering if there'd be another Michael. Jordan type last dance documentary. Now you got your wish. Tom Brady. Man in the arena. Pass. Him Kissing, his son for two hours hard, no on that one. Somebody that it would be called the last kiss. Going to be a nine nine part series detailing his nine trips to the Super Bowl. And I guess they're not counting on him getting there this year. He's still playing Mike like the whole reason that this was so enjoyable was the nostalgia of it. I mean this has been twenty two years that he's just been sitting on this. The Jordan stopped. Yeah, the Brady. Brady things going to come out next year and It will be produced by ESPN and one nine nine productions, which is Tom Brady's production company. I didn't know he had a production company, but hey, why wouldn't? So it's GonNa be a you know a whitewash Polish. The truth according to Tom Brady, Tom Brady and perhaps only Tom Brady remembers it. All the commercials are going to be like. TB twelve supplements Yup to human boost your immune system. FEELING DEFLATED WITH I spies somebody with A. Vitamin D, deficiency. Pittsburgh magazine's Sean Collier Review in movies when we come back on the D. Randy Baumann and the morning show Sean Collier from Pittsburgh magazine joining us right now with a couple of movie reviews for you. What's going on Sean? How are you? I'm good. How's everybody doing over there hanging in their body? Well, you know if it's GonNa rain today. We might want to be parked in front of the Boob tube for a while, so the boob tube. I called it which is came up with just now timely. He's a very contemporary I haven't heard. I haven't heard that one in a while that in the idiot box we haven't. We haven't use those. Yeah well. What's old is new again, Sean, that's what I like to say Memorial five hundred countdown is back here on DVD by the way I. WanNa make this co- let everybody know. The DVD Memorial Day five hundred begins at one o'clock today and Weird Paul will be live tweeting from the station how he's going to be tweeting from the DVD account this weekend. That's that's tiktok superstar Weird Paul by the way I hear. He's big on Tiktok with the kids because he's been talking since one, thousand, nine, hundred, four or whatever it is. Youtube, before any of them ever existed, had he the wherewithal to develop those platforms? Weird Paul would be billionaire weird Paul. Today it'd be Weird Paul Allen. Well and there's there's one you can watch this weekend. The documentary about Weird Paul will work for views is streaming on Amazon prime. Will work for. That's so great all right? Yeah! Check out the documentary on. Weird Paul. He's going to be handling TV account this weekend. Because he is the official archivist of the Memorial Day five hundred countdown, he started archiving it when we started in nine hundred five. Just because. You're not a tuning in, and you should be It was great last year if you're looking for a couple of flicks, the new comedy on Netflix you know. The best comedies are combinations of very funny movies and very funny people. You know ghostbusters vacation bridesmaids. Then there are some comedies that have very funny scripts and succeed because the scripts are so good, even if the people in them are not that funny, which is Great News for Rob Schneider? That's great news for him. I don't know why I went to that. I just can't believe that rob. Schneider is still a thing in two thousand and twenty. It's been bothering me. He is in the new sailor movie the wrong missy now Saint Not in the movie David Spade Stars in it, but it's one of those sandler productions, and I only saw the preview of that on Netflix and I have to tell you. It looked funny, even though. It was good I wanted. To See some areas. It's because I mean I I have to watch it I lauren lap guesses so good. It's the rare Netflix's movie they didn't. Let Me Watch at advance, and and I thought. Oh, it's must be terrible, but she's so good. I'm sure she makes it. That's probably worth checking out. What's definitely worth checking out out today on Netflix is the love birds. This is the case where the script is not necessarily as funny as it might be, but the people in it are so good. That just works the lumbered stars Kumail. Nangiani best known for the big sick of course as well as silicon. Valley Isa Array from insecure. They're both hilarious performers, and they have like a Wacky caper comedy here these they. They get mixed up in a murder. They think they're going to get arrested, so they try to solve it on their own while they're evading the police. It's a long night in New Orleans the stories fine, but the script does not loaded with jokes these to just make everything funny. They're so good at playing off of one another and kind of underselling the the absurdity of their situations that it's just funny throughout this movie is a clinic in face acting I love face acting good face, acting as certainly more so than like shoulder acting. That's what Vin diesel does. He does shoulder. These, two are really funny. It's not going to become your favorite movie, but especially as you know a new netflix release something to throw on this weekend, it will fill some time. I wanted to mention unbelievable new documentary out. Today is called the painter and the thief. You can get it on Amazon or Google whichever wherever you go to rent. That's where you'll. You'll go for this. It's a true story. This artist, her most important valuable paintings are stolen. They find the guy who stole the paintings. He admits that he was messed up and he lost them. He doesn't know where they are. And then the painter and the guy who ripped her off become friends, and she starts doing paintings of the guy who stole her paintings. Interesting. It's an unbelievable story. This would be like if I just started writing jokes for Madden instead of letting him steal mine. Right. And then and then maybe you two would get along. That's how. We can take another. I can see this kind of thing happening out of revenge like her being listened buddy. You're going to sit here and get painted until I make that money back. You better hope you've got a soulful expression on canvas or I'm coming after you. Know they just thought tools them. Would join forces. And try to find the paintings I thought that that was maybe going to be where the story went, but he just started. He just started becoming her muse. It. It's I thought so too. I thought that you know okay. We're building to the twist where he says okay really. I know where everything is. No, it just goes to you know now they're friends and they hang out and they care about one another. It's one of those documentaries that you know that art world is not necessarily the most interesting thing to most of us, but the story is so remarkable that you have to see it. I really recommend it. This is the best non Chicago Bulls related the documentary. I have seen in quite a while. The panthers and the thief. WHO's in that. The painter paint. Threat of. The worm and the thief it's. Man? That's what I took away from the last dance. I want like every documentary to have ten percent Dennis Rodman content. Let's just take a worm break and see what he was doing. Is Big as he was back. Then imagine how much bigger Dennis Rodman would be right now with social, media. The opportunities to promote that brand would've been way more substantial than they were back then, and he was pretty big back then as an ancillary player with Jordan and Pippen. But Now! Oh my God! I, know he is not like he wasn't famous I. Get it like he did. Parlay it into a pretty big deal. Success I think he even had an action movie at one point. But I the blowback to with this with the current day of social media like if he just left. Practice in the middle of a season and went to vegas for like a week or left and went and fought. In the for the N. W. Like that would not be okay, he would get crushed online. Jason whitlock aches would be abundant. surprised. At how quickly he was! You know essentially out of basketball after that I mean this is you know I know that I know that it's the last dance, but as famous as he was. Hitting Diamond Dallas page with the chair on Monday nitro. And you know doing movies he did. He did like a buddy picture with John. Claude van Damme, and I think the worst years of that. He was basically done. Yeah Double Team is the worst movie that I've ever seen. That Oh, now I want to. Thank you actually. Double Team in review that for us for next week. Please Sean Collier from Pittsburgh magazine. Where's the panther and the thief streaming? It's everywhere. You Rent I tunes Amazon. Google wherever you who's in Sean Rent. A check artist in Norwegian. Thief that sounds like the setup for something, but I don't have the rest. It sounds like the penguins defensive. Pairing that, we'd like to see all right. That's Sean Collier from Pittsburgh magazine. The love birds, the panther and the thief always Sean Pre. Thank you. Got News next. Valerie, what do you got? Well a well known movie mask has become very popular. These days and Van Halen will tour again, so says Sammy Hagar. We'll talk about that coming up. Scott Lazy Returns to the Coffee House today. Our first virtual coffeehouse, and the Memorial Day five hundred kicks off at one o'clock today weird Paul Live tweeting from the station account on twitter, and it's brought to you by Shenango. BATTERIES DOT COM hover auto and truck supply. The Memorial Day five hundred countdown coming up on central oven. It's fifty eight degrees now a DVD. The news is brought to us by window nation. Well, let's do this story first and then we'll get to all the pandemic news in it. It's appropriate to since that clip was just talking about hot dogs now. I didn't hear this broadcast, but there is a story of the Post Gazette's dating. Mark Cuban is trying to buy the OH. In Oakland. Yes he was interviewed by Pat McAfee yesterday Cuban said, it's a shot. Negotiations have been difficult, and they're making it hard to get a deal done, but he said he's not done trying. So the. Awesome either building. Yeah yeah, that's what it sounds like. And maybe they're being a little bit of sticklers in the negotiating process for the brand. Maybe they are overvalued or you know they're saying. Hey, if you want the name while that's GonNa be. A ridiculous amount because it was it. was you know a dead from an operational standpoint, but from a branding standpoint I mean who hasn't heard of the original hot dog shop. But. What's ridiculous amount to Cuban by the city if he wanted to? I mean if you really wanted to save it. Pay With the guy wants and save it. He was on part of my take with big cat in Thi this past week, and he said he was worth four billion dollars. Yeah just right the guy check and save it if you want to save it I, don't get this. Oh, it's really tough. Try and come on. L., maybe that's why he has so much money negotiator. They got to have a Cuban sandwich if he buys it. Dog. have to. Cuban dog and This was an exciting news yesterday to some West wears a shirt. That's way too tight. Joke about. Some western Pennsylvania, counties could soon move into a restriction free environment governor Tom Wolfe says he could announce which can enter the green vase today governor gave no hints as to which communities would have restrictions lifted, but many northwestern Pennsylvania companies were the first to go yellow, so could be them will find out. Guidelines will be released soon for what life will be like in the Green Vase counties, many counties in the eastern part of the state are still in the red phase. Now with the. As will still be wearing masks and stuff l.. I don't know it's the one thing that I red. I'd lines for the green phase were all businesses must follow? CDC? NPA Department of Health guidelines. Aggressive mitigation orders lifted. Individuals must follow CDC NPA Department of Health Guidelines, so I don't know if that's still going to be. You have to wear a mask and when you can go out, you can do whatever you want. Don't now we'll find out. My question is. Have we been in yellow long enough to know? If, this is effective and were. You know. Doesn't that lag time behind infection to hospital kind of create a little bit of a gap there where we won't know exactly what the effect was of opening regarding opened up. One thing is for sure and there was an article about this. Mel Magazine Dot. com We have definitely as a country entered the phase like whatever if you're yellow or green, it doesn't matter. The entire country is an effort and we've decided what F it. We're taking it on, and we'RE NOT GONNA. Stay inside anymore. I think the hope was that we were buying. Buying some time with the shutdown, we'd be better prepared coming out of it to handle it going forward I. Don't know if we are. We aren't, but people are just not listening to. The governor doesn't matter anyway, so there's an article in the paper about a gym that opened in Penn Hills. Today, and the owner of the gym is quoted in the article. As saying I think wolf the freaking minute says expletive. These either that much of a Wuss or there's some agenda here. It's not the virus. You don't get this time back. They take high school sports away from them. This is a political sham I'm opening because your health is essential. So! People have already decided that the frontier spirit is alive and well, and they're going to do whatever the hell they want anyways, and unless they're going to get law enforcement to go stop everybody. I think he's going to push us into the green phase because that's what everybody wants and after a while, you can't stop the will of the people in this despite their best interests being in you know. Not served here. You know I'm sure it would be better if we were able to keep. Socially distanced and shut down for a while, but you really think people are going to. Adhere to the guidelines over Memorial Day weekend after being trapped for two months in their own homes, and finally having the first long weekend. That kicks off summer. And it's supposed to be in the eighties. I've read the stories about you know around the country businesses reopening and they're not getting crowds of people. So people are still on their own, cautious to some extent. And I think that's what's going to happen. Val Is that people are going to ultimately be the determination as to whether or not society opens fully. And everybody feels and goes out. You know that's if you have a restaurant open, but nobody you know our ten percent of the people you usually get come in well. That's kind of telling you where people's comfort level is at. Now I totally get people's restlessness, because if you can think back I, remember the day because it was Friday the thirteenth, they cancelled my kid's school and they told us all of the all of the parents that Mount Lebanon school. District was a month, but most school districts were two weeks. We'll be back in two weeks. And, so it's been being pushed. You know incrementally from that point till now and now we're in, you know mid to late May and people were still locked up. That's like that's what's making. People go crazy before like. Get away from our vets all right. I'll open it all up. And I gotTA GO I. Have to go out I just I need to please. And I understand, people are pissed at wolf and I totally I. He has been a bad communicator through all of this and I think that some of their settlement has been overly cautious. He's not trying to get reelected, so you know he. He has a different set of concerns. I guess than other people, but I still think we're getting pissed at the The backup quarterbacks for not winning games when the coach Bernd the playbook. beaver county is open for business again. The county moved into Pennsylvania's yellow, reopening phase overnight, lifting some of those restrictions on travel and shopping. non-essential retail businesses can welcome guest. Restaurants drill still restricted to carry out service. Though they were the last county in western Pennsylvania to be allowed to go into the yellow face, so they were red until twelve one this morning. And this a big story yesterday to the state will allow bars and restaurants to temporarily serve cocktails to go. Or other things to go if you watched certain news program. This last night. yeah, this follows governor at word. Right. Governor. Signed the bill yesterday. Officials say the law applies to restaurants and hotels would've lost about twenty five percent of their average monthly sales amid the pandemic. The Governor says he hopes Pennsylvanians remember to drink responsibly as the holiday weekend approaches house bill three twenty-seven expires once the pandemic ends and businesses reach sixty percent capacity. Yeah, I mean. If the you know the one thing that's kind of not even entered. My mind is a craft cocktail. At this point, you know what I mean. It's like taking back to the basics like we're doing. Vox Otas and Beers, and that's about not getting to fans. Well last night, friends of mine stopped by a restaurant on the north side and went to Leo got dinner to go, and they bought craft cocktails to go, and they put them in little tiny. Mason Jars. And they got old fashioned 's and walked home with you. Know couple of craft cocktails there you go. Yeah a lot of places are trying to accommodate the You need for that kind of stuff. I've never been much of a craft cocktail. Person Anyways I'm not a ever really developed I'm impatient. I want I just want to draft beer like give it to me right now. I don't want you to stand behind their in a suit in an old timey mustache and take seventeen minutes to make your. Smashing and orange peel in the smithereens. Yeah I I hate ordering anything that requires a muddle. Muddle this for a while. Just give me a shot of Jameson. That's capable Budweiser Jamison. There are now CBS health through Kobe nineteen testing sites open across the city and Western, Pennsylvania four total in Pittsburgh itself the others in cranberry Indiana. McKees rocks, Monroeville, Mount Lebanon and Newcastle the self swab tests are available to anyone who needs CDC criteria and who makes an appointment. Those results are expected back within about three days. If you need to make a trip to best buy, it's going to be different best by changing up its hands on shopping. During the pandemic customers must now make an appointment to go inside the store, then they'll be escorted around by an employee. Anything you touch will be wiped down. The one on one consultations will be thirty minutes, but can be booked for longer. This will affect seven hundred of the retailers one thousand stores. Anguish dot foul is what about clothing stores like? If you touch an article of clothing? Did they gotTA wash that? They can't. They can't sanitize that stuff. Well, you take it home and wash it I. Guess is what they think. Before you wear it. You touch it. You bought it. In Kenya, wildlife parks are helping tourists day involved in the lives of the animals by broadcasting virtual safaris online people can tune into watch leopards and families of elephants in all the other animals as well operators of the wildlife parks hope the broadcast inspire people to pay more attention to endangered species and continue to offer their support with donations. Once things get back to normal, and it's safe to travel. Regular Safaris will resume, but in the meantime those virtual tours will help raise awareness and keep everyone connected. Instead of those boring old bandannas or medical facemasks, more and more people are buying Bain asks made famous in the Batman movie. The Dark Knight rises which would be cumbersome. Torah mature or if you distance. They're so popular that the Bane Masks of actually sold out on some online stores, so you may not be able to find one even if you want it. You run from the virus. I was born by it. Island records held. It's one love. Co would nineteen relief auction yesterday and raise the equivalent of about two hundred eighteen thousand dollars for British. And Feeding America recording artists on the island label donated items for the auction. The biggest seller was the original handwritten lyrics sheet were U2's nineteen eighty-seven number one hit I still haven't found what I'm looking for. It's sold for seventy six thousand pounds or roughly ninety two thousand dollars. And fans of Brad Pitt Jennifer Lopez, and Barack Obama can begin taking the stars home next week at least their portraits anyway. Celebrity photographer has donated twenty five of his limited edition prints to be auctioned off. List also includes Tom Hanks, Billy Irish and Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg bidding begins may twenty eighth. All money raised will go to charities providing corona virus relief. Italy's Sammy Hagar says van Halen will never be finished. Sammy spoke to rolling stone this week. He predicted that van Halen would again the band's other singer. David Lee Roth caused a stir last year when he said the band was done, but Sami says the ban won't be finished until Eddie or Alex Di. He said quote. I'm not predicting what's going to happen, but I would tell you if there are concerts next year van. HALEN will probably be on tour next year end quote. Diamond Dave's Vegas show really that he should just stay there. Yeah. 'cause those techniques worked when he was younger. You know just being like. The goofy Showman, but now that he's older, and he really has a hard time with the to just go there and stay full. Show me just put on the full Las Vegas experience with those songs and a lot of the van Halen fan base is okay with going to a theater and sitting down anyways. Takeover for Roy. You know go full Tilt Vegas. It's except tigers have border collies. Forecast today showers, maybe a thunderstorm ten in the low seventies. It's fifty eight a d. v.. I would have loved to see David. Lee Roth try and pull that off during the classic era of Van Halen in the middle of a concert. Back in Nineteen, seventy, seven stopping. And going all right, awesome videos and my dog's catch frisbees. Runner at a farm. I can't believe they let them do it when he did. Honestly what was that argument like? Before they went out on tour with. David Lee Roth. How many years ago is that? Five years ago six years ago? I think it was longer than that yeah? Fibers well. Here's. One One Caveat I get to do a video of border collies right in the middle of the show. Nothing says rock and roll. Like watching dogs. Do Tricks. You See. So in one band, I went to open call Kool and the gang. They're all dead, all right cool and a guy. We'll get cool in a guy. They'll open. I forgot they get to the border Collie Solo. Guys Trust me. It's cooling the game in dogs. That's how we're GONNA get back to the TAP. Mike Scott Your sports coming up here in just a little bit and I see. All jacked up man. He's been getting balked up in the off season. I'm actually excited to see what he comes back like. Could he all the sudden? Come back and be like Andre Johnson or somebody like that. House the hands. I don't know what I haven't seen his hands if they've built up I'm not sure hookah. That, was the issue ripped? He was pretty big last year. Bulk wasn't the issue. Not Not from what I saw. Catching the ball transplanted SWITZER's hands onto Juju arms. You're still going back to that. Cordell, Graham you. You want that Robo, player. That's right. Mr Potato head a player. Wouldn't that be cool? Build robots. I think we're probably not far away from doing that all right. We'd like a real return to sports for the NHL hopefully here. Mike pursued with the latest on that when we return on the DV. E. Sports. Here's Mike pursued. Got Your sports on the morning show with Mike. Sports Center brought to you by Bridge Ville appliance. The sports are all contemplating returns without fans. Due to the current pandemic and that's kind of just a fact of life that everybody's going to have to deal with at least initially, but everybody doesn't have to like it and count the rams. Aaron Donald. In the category of those who is going to have a hard time returning to football without football, fans Donald. Pittsburgh Guy in a pit guy spoke on a video conference yesterday and said You need fans to play game. I don't know how you could play game without fans I feel like that takes out the excitement and the fun out of the game. I feel like the fans are would pick you up. The fans make the game exciting. The fans will give you that extra juice when you're tired fatigued when you make that big play here. Eighty thousand fans going crazy. That just pumps you up. And that is something that they're all going to have to adjust to I mean the ebbs and flows of momentum and emotion. It's absolutely factors some. Some great players go on the road and feed off the negativity that is being thrown at them. Some great players in perform at home, and that critical time, and come through and feed off that What if you just gotTa? Play for playing sake. You GotTa do the thing. You gotta find it. You got to find some small insignificant slight that somebody on the other team. Delivered to you and then make it your life's goal to bury that person. I Got A lot of bad theory I don't know if everybody has switch. We will find out I. Guess, The NHL, multiple reports. That the NHL Executive, board, the Players Association's Executive Board, is voting on that twenty four team returned to play proposal. We might get some word on that today. In the meantime, players are contemplating getting back on the ice as they have been ever since the league paused on March, the Twelfth Brandon town of of the penguins spoke this week, and said when and if the League does return. He knows he's going to have to get back up to speed quickly. So I think speed such a great asset that today's game I think. It's extremely important. You know especially to my game. I think you know being able to give me on the floor. Checking in place such a tenacious style. I think that that doesn't come without my speed, and I think the game getting quicker and quicker every year and the players are are getting faster, but I think when you had that ability and also comes down to A. Little differently, too. Because sometimes you might be a little too quick, or or out of position, so it's yourself in a in a great position to us, your speed, and and and use it well, so you're not just running around and playing an aimless game. I think it's important to to use that to your best abilities and use that to help your team. Go out there and get points every night. If you're if you're. Fast, but you have no purpose your. Constantine Colts off. He's just skate really fast than the other team said eventually hit the back. And do nothing. Brandon Dan of you know how to apply at some other guys who knew how to apply. It'll be on display tonight. Att Sports Net and our brother station one five nine. The X. gives you game. Six of the nineteen ninety-one Stanley Cup. Final the penguins at the Minnesota North. Stars, the penguins poised to win the first Stanley Cup in franchise history throughout these rebroadcasts on at sports, and on the X. We've heard from a lot of people who were involved at the time. It's been some great stuff from the radio side. From, the Penguins Josh gets off who spoke with Mike Lang, the hall of Famer about that very special nineteen ninety-one Penguins team one of the subjects they addressed, was the reaction to the penguins finally getting to the top of the mountain and Mike Lang great comparison coming up from Mike Lang on how the city embraced the penguins, after such a long wait for championship, just as the city had embraced the steelers after what seemed like an endless wait for that first championship. Vibrant! That's the only way I can describe it. I was fortunate. As a young broadcaster to come to this city. Pittsburgh, nineteen. Seventy, four And that was the first year that the steelers won the Super Bowl. and well I was just. Blown away by it and The parades that they had is one that will never ever leave my mind that they had down Fifth Avenue. In Pittsburgh and just to see for A playoff run for a team to see all the buildings decorated with black and gold and steelers on how everybody got involved and you know what Josh it was the same way with a thing once it was a I I'm thing and everybody. took apart and being behind him, and the players knew that they could feel it. I mean everybody did and it was just an amazing run. for them and it grew and were the ultimate. Victory to win the Cup, but it's one again that that people never forget i. mean when you have. People were. You'll never see it again in your lifetime I do not believe. Where people were driving after they won the cup. On the Parkway West and they shut down the road and guess what they did. They just left their cars and. It's unbelievable to me. And Randy, our buddy Jo Barbeque, clueless in on the part of that. Incredible flash mob that developed out at the airport. That ACDC had something to do with that. There was an ACDC concert at the Post Gazette pavilion or star Lake amphitheater back then prop I don't even office. Coca Cola Star like you might have just been star back then. No naming rights were applied. At that point and everybody had found out from Brian Johnson on stage. The Penguins won the Stanley Cup so they all went from star. Lake and just got off. The exit turned the other way and went to the airport instead of going back to town. And that's part of why the parkway was. So you're at twenty thousand people waiting on the other side of the airport. And that was just a phenomenon and I agree with Mike Lag Championships in one sense, but we haven't seen that. type of hysteria again and probably never worse one. It's the first one. The first one is always the most special. Particularly, when it's been so long in coming in been. was preceded by so much misery and losing and failure and hopelessness, and it all of a sudden wow! How about that? Phil Bork irregular with us here on DVD morning show has talked about that time as well. He said that the game was different in nineteen, ninety-one the penguins became a team that. Played at not necessarily the way it had to be played in a manner that best suited them, probably being and the interference and. A Ford you coaches screaming at you that you've got to battle through that? Move your feet get. You can't let that guy hold you up like that, and there'd be defenseman like shell famous it. There's just come in and take quit writing to your gut, and he hook you right into him, and he would just hold you, you know. He waits for the rest. Let them go go, or he just go you a one, thousand, two hundred thousand. Let you go free. Hockey back then you know, and you gotTa Win. There was a lot of nasty. That's and also you know watching that game. We weren't that good defensively man? We were wide open. We play fire wagon hawks. We were indicate trade can't back. And forth we left Tommy Brass, hanging out to dry, and we never thought twice about it. We will every once in a while. We'd say you gotTA. You gotTA buckle down little little better defensively, but we couldn't help ourselves low scoring goal so much. That team was a Stanley Cup champion, and they would have given Mike Sullivan and aneurysm. Good, memories. No doubt about it. Yeah, that was not not the same sort of discipline team that Mike Sullivan likes to put out there on the ice. Yeah right okay. Great Stuff Mike thanks so much I. Want to remind Everybody Memorial Day coming up here. You Know My dad was in the navy, and then in the reserves for like forty years after that. And one thing he used to always have STU was. Go tour anytime. We were close to where they were doing like. A destroyer was docked in buffalo or something like that on the lake we would drive over and take towards Mackenzie. Always liked to show us when we were kids. How cool the ships were that he was stationed on when he was a kid. And the. Navy is doing something pretty cool this weekend. For people who are interested in this kind of thing and again, this was something I like when I was growing up. This was a big deal in our family and the USS Laboon is guided missile destroyer, and during the krona virus shutdowns. They are doing virtual tours of this thing. It's pretty cool. The video project is just one way. The Navy continues to bridge the gap virtually through outreach to communities around the nation while social distancing precautionary measures are in place due to co Vid so this year, the. The the boon this ship. By, the way named after a guy from Pittsburgh that's right. He was a pittsburgh native who left Pittsburgh to service country and became a true naval hero. The ships named for Father Jake Laboon. Father Jake did great things for the Chaplain Corps and for the Navy. As a whole. In short, he led a long life serving God in country after attending Carnegie Technical Institute which is now of course. Ornate Melania Mu e was commissioned at the Naval Academy and served in submarines and war. During a Western Pacific patrol while under intense enemy fire he rescued down pilot from a heavily mined waters, and was awarded the Silver Star shortly after the war, he left the navy to be called back to duty as chaplain become Father Jacob at. The Pittsburgh. They named the ship after. It's pretty cool, and you can take a virtual tour of this guided missile destroyer. These things are incredible the. Just! Looking at. How huge they are, and what must take the engineering to produce something of this caliber is something to marvel at so highly. Recommend everybody. Check it out you can go to. facebook slash surf lance slash videos, and you'll be able to find the guided tour of this. We'll put her on the website for you. So you can check it out, but they are virtually sharing the USS Laboon the guided missile destroyer, and you you take a virtual tour, and you can see what it's like to live on those ships and go out for an extended period of time. It's super cool. Yeah. I have that in common with your dad in in my travels, going to games and whatnot anytime, there's anything like that and they have a great. Display up in Buffalo. Right on the water there of naval power they had a Saab and a couple of ships and know for one price. You could tour all three of them. I think it's still there, but if you ever get a chance to do something. Like that I. I would recommend it as well it's. It's hard to envision. What guys endured? To go through what they had to go through to to in world, War Two and I find that stuff fascinating probably always will. Well and this has got a lot of newer amenity to two so pretty cool. The checkout once again named after Pittsburgh our Father Jake laboon the US laboon. Go take a guided tour this weekend on this Memorial Day. When we come back, we're finally getting back to doing some virtual coffee houses. It's been tough to get sound quality that would suffice, but I think we figured it out with our friends. Scott Lazy. Who's Saturday night concerts have been all the rage on social media here in Pittsburgh and beyond. Clark's fans from all over the country of look forward to these weekly shows and Scott has really done a great job with them, so we'll talk with Scott about putting these shows on. We'll hear one or two from Scott coming up next on TV show yet is the DVD morning show and Scott Blazey from the Clark's joining us right now. For what is the first virtual copy house we've been having. Having a hard time trying to figure out the best way to feature local musicians during all of this, that's not to say that local musicians haven't done a great job themselves to figuring out how to create content. It's just PR providing a platform for people to perform live on. The radio is a little more difficult these days and Scott laziest joining us from his from the Clark's basement right now. Guys all live together like the monkees right? The Clark House in Highland Park. We'll Scott's been doing these shows since Scott. What was the first show you did? Mid Mid March randy I I can't really remember the date specifically, maybe around the sixteenth or so. Because, we were supposed to play a big saint. Paddy's Day show that weekend and That's right Oh. Yeah, that's right canceled, so we started doing right after the the weekend. My last live Gig. Well, you've done a bunch of these shows now have you done? I thought I saw one time first of all. They've been unbelievably received like I could doppler Yatch people were. Talking about this bill I know you saw to I. Mean everybody was like all? These shows are lifesavers. I couldn't below yeah. Bonds Driveway Beers in the Clark's. It's. On Saturday night in the warranty. We've had a great time with me and my wife and the kids and the reaction that we've gotten from people in the comments as the show is going on, people are just so thankful that we're giving them some kind of respite from from what we're dealing with it now. There's people from all over the country watching though it's not just here in Pittsburgh. I mean you're getting bright shown outs from everywhere. I mean that's. That's got to feel pretty good. Pretty validating I would imagine for you. Absolutely, it's so cool. I would say. At least half of everybody watching there in north, Carolina there in California there in Florida. There's a friend Hawaii so it's pretty amazing. They're all over the place. Well, you know. It's not the same obviously as playing in front of a live audience, but I'm wondering. What boxes does this check for you as a performer right now? It checks every single box. Except from the love and feedback, you get from people standing in front of you looking at you smiling you giving you their energy, and you could give a right back to them. Thank goodness for my wife, Denise, who is my audience of one. Has stood in for those for those fifteen hundred people. Quite wonderfully well. Did. You anticipate that when you started doing this or were. You kinda unsure like. Should I even do this or? I was on board with the idea right away. Our manager Rashawn. Bloomberg a brick wall management. New York. He's just he's got great ideas. And he contacted me right away, said we're not gonNA be doing shows for a while, and you need to go on Facebook, and and entertain people and I said absolutely on the in Yemen the first week was a little strange, just because after the song I would finish the song and there really wasn't any applause. and. So it was the strangest part about it. Fortunately, my wife quickly realized she had to be that audience. So even just her reactions were great, and then I took on this idea of after every song. Particularly the ABI ones I would, I'd be like. Audience created my own vibe. Soccer things all that was a good. and. I feel I filled in for everybody but Scott. That's a lot of pressure man like the day of show. You have to be walking around real. Careful treating your wife absolutely. Rose pedals because if you upset her, you, you've lost your audience right exactly we. You know. Looking for silver lining skies, and I have found quite a few in his really for Denise and I for our family or kids. Yeah, there are times when it's crazy. Being cooped up together, but we've had. Good! Times together so many laughs so many things that we've done together that we normally wouldn't have done. It's been pretty great on. Saturdays or Ms The other thing that's interesting about this is. I this holy. It's like groundhog week for this show like I have this routine. That I have to go through and I have to prepare for these shows the in a way that I don't have to do with the band in that I'm every week. I'm doing new songs or Dif- different songs in the weeks before some relearning all these old car songs all these old songs that I've written that I haven't played in fifteen or twenty years, so there's a lot of work that goes into. Into it, what song stands out as one that you dusted off and thought Oh, man. Why did we stop playing this right? I had a quite a few of those. In the most recent one is of song called anymore off of a fast moving cars. It's the second song on the out and I remember what I when we recorded I really liked it, but you know there's so many over the years you just kind of forget about, and then for whatever reason you just the ban never. Plays it again and then I never considered it. Being able to play it in a Solo Acoustic setting until I'm forced to, and then you discover like okay, I'm GonNa have to figure out how to do this. Without a drummer without a lead guitar player so certain songs I just eliminate where the guitar solo might be or I'll just I'll sing the Guitar Solo, and I've had to become more a rhythmic guitar player to to you know, replace the drums and last week. My wife after I did this song. She was like it was very genuine. She's like that was great. You're become such a good guitar player. and. Compliment because I I'm down here almost every day working on my craft, which I just never did when I didn't have to. Well that's that is kind of one of the collateral. Benefits of all of this is that for artists? It really has forced them into a place where. They have to sort of contemplate what they had been doing before. How to keep getting that same fulfillment from whatever their art form is without having the same sort of feedback, and maybe some people like yourself. All the sudden started doing scales every day again. Come out of this like a ripper. Everyone's going to be tearing it up plus keep your skate sharp for this whole thing lifts and you get back out there. Right right I'll be ready to go. I won't need spring, training for sure, and that's where you have the advantage over somebody like bill because for a comedian, there's only so much you know joke telling they can do around the house. Yeah. I can't do the setup Scott. Do I can't stand in front of my fireplace jokes? It just doesn't work. It doesn't work the DADS stop. Bomb all day every day. For two kids. Did you Scott have? You seen the. The socially distant concert set up that they use down in Arkansas this past weekend for the country artists whose name escapes me. I did I saw setup I saw little graph of people in the audience and you know they were. They were being responsible at least yeah. Now. Obviously, that was not going to be the way of the future like forever, but maybe in the interim. That kind of stuff would be happening. Does that have any hold any interest to you to do something like that? Where people are removed from one another? They need to be to stay safe in those environments. Definitely it's not ideal, but you know it'd be like you know playing baseball without an audience or it. It's something and yes any any audience would be welcome, and certainly just being around the guy is yes would be awesome. And I would imagine just hearing the monitors and the PA cricket in the power of your guitar again having all of that your fingertips right right just being able to play with the band again on stage, even without an audience at all would be a blast. Yeah, well, we're going to try to get through one here. Acoustic live from the Clark's house basement right now. This Saturday night. What time does that show re air? Scott tonight. We're Arabs. This Saturday night at eight o'clock eastern. We're going to show the very first of show that I did back in March. and. It's funny to see the evolution. At least it is for me, and then I'm back live a week from Saturday at eight o'clock every every Saturday night could deal here's Scott Lazy Lad from the basement deep. Gave! Blast Shell. Deep. Only. Title. Out Dress shoes. Being. Thank. God! Now! NOGGIN I know. Turn Turn. Turn. Game A. Show. WON'T BE? Meghan love own. level. Good. Won't be. A. We'll be your audience. The dogs bark everybody digs at Scotland. Saturday night at eight o'clock on facebook. Make sure you check it out. The rebroadcast of the I live from the basement. Show that Scott did. In that'd be great. background music for your Setting Memorial Day hanging out and Drive orbs, years, or whatever you planning on doing there, but continued success and keep becoming band. People need it right now. Big Time. Yeah, ready, thank you man. I appreciate you have me on Can you imagine if we weren't if it weren't for musicians and filmmakers and actors and authors where we would be right now? Artists are essential as everybody else you. Sex dolls have improved so dramatically. It's kind of like you know those first hair transplants. You know like the browns in the back of their head rally ran looking like Shave Barbie. I WanNa Make Fun of these sex dolls, but if you see them, you're like. God. What are you talking about? You seriously are getting excited about a sex doll. I'm not getting I'm saying. I can't make fun of them anymore. They used to be full wraps. Guess you can. They're not people. They're dolls. Okay. I don't have one yet. Right Christmas is coming. And so. I think it's quite clear. Bill Crawford. Is Pro doll. I mean look. It's a little price range at this point. You might have to go to key civil yourself. Bill Crawford. Morning Show. BANISHMENTS and the age of covert in isolation. Right, I can see where you coming from now. You know what I mean like the branding I've gotten on this show. Man Why claw Willy and Billy, it's. NO BILLY! Could be worse. Don't know how, but I'm sure it could. On the DVD. Exactly. The choice quote about bills in the sex doll was off air that we can't say and that was really the thing that is if you would've never said the thing you said off the air, we probably would have dropped this, but pursued has refused to let die, and is driven into the ground over the last year and a half. So that was really the death knell for you on this one. As soon as you made that comment off the air. You were labeled that was it? Yeah I'm just. I was just trying to point out the advancements. That's really all the point that I was trying to make an. You know. Yeah! You don't have to in this late them anymore. You don't need a bike tire inflator. You don't have to have iron lungs. To to buy sex doll now. which is great news for everybody? All right well. Mike. Pursuit will have your sports bottom of the hour. We're going to also compare the Bulls. Dynasty and the pens dynasty. WHO's the Horace Grant of the Penguins Dynasties? Joe Barton with soft at the end of the hour and one more from Scott Lazy here's vow Puerto With news now. Here's a channel eleven severe weather's. There's central oven. It is fifty degrees at DB news is brought to his first energy corporation. The weather is miserable today, but there are several emergency food distribution events planned for today for one to food rescue. We'll hand out food boxes for people and dogs, and fortunately they're out of cat food The drive through event will be from one to three at mckeesport area high school. The Salvation Army will be at North Hills Toyota on. On McKnight road today from ten to two, they'll have two hundred food boxes to distribute each box will feed a family of four or a week and the Greater Pittsburgh Community Foodbank. As you heard bunny, diver mentioned they'll be across from PG paints arena today from ten am till noon that drive through event will serve up to one thousand vehicles. Each will receive one foodshare, which is at least fifty pounds of food. allegheny health network officials say they are going to lay off around two hundred fifty employees. Most of the cuts come from agents, corporate and administrative services along with some clinical staff, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune review another one hundred thirty will be laid off from ancient affiliates, highmark, health and H. M. Health solutions all but sixty of those job cuts are said to be related to the COVID nineteen pandemic. Up President Michael. Driscoll is pushing for an in person. Fall Semester. He sent a letter to students. Indicating things will change and suggested some remote learning days dorm rooms and bathroom facilities will no longer be shared by more than two students. I don't know how you do that in a dorm, but food services have safety precaution measures in place as well. Officials with Butler. County Community College say they're working on a plan. That could have staff back on campus. June first BC. Three staff would have to follow masking and social distancing guidelines. The plan would also limit the maximum number of staff on be three's main campus or other locations at one time and the Butler area school district will have several options on how to learn. During the two thousand twenty twenty twenty one school year, and a plan released by the district this week, elementary students will be able to either go to school or do online education. Secondary students have both those options as well as a third option, which is a hybrid of in-school and cyber. Learning. Did you guys see the video that was going around the Internet and I don't know what country it was from. It might have been Korea where a lot of the elevators and things like that are all operating on foot pedals now like you get in using your foot and you pick your floor choosing with your foot and everything is no hands. I Like the Mr. Miyagi Crane depict the fourth floor. Right. Yeah you gotTA DO Chopsticks to get to your office. Yeah! The White House is planning to release guidelines for reopening houses of worship today. The guidelines were delayed, so the trump administration could revise CDC recommendations to make them less restrictive. The guidelines include social distancing and wearing gloves to hand out communion. The TSA is implementing new screening procedures, limiting physical contact and increasing social distancing. This is another thing I didn't think. How long are security lions? GonNa be at airports now. If you're trying to social distance. I was thinking about this this morning. Getting into a steeler game in the past gate, a underneath the scoreboard where you were your coats, you were like basically in one big. Hug with. Five thousand people. And you were just like bouncing between people and your nose to nose with strangers. And how quickly if one person in that had it? How quickly would just? Cover the whole crowd. Immediate it'd be like getting in anywhere is going to require social distancing right so then. That's going to require like if you're going to a you know. I don't know Sperlari hours ahead of time. Yeah. Sunjay Gupta did a thing on CNN where he went to the airport and showed you like step by step how to get through, and he was like okay, so you get in, and you just try to have everything already on your phone so that you can scan it and you're limiting the things you touch, and once you touch the buckets to to put all your stuff into go through TSA on the other side of it. Hand sanitizer when you get into those people movers that's GonNa be the tough spot especially when they. When the airports pack up because you know, you're in a confined space for that that trek there and then he's talking about getting a window seat so that he could be you know as far as possible from all the people that are boarding the plane I mean these are things like you know just ways of doing things that we haven't thought of the air on immediately to break up any potential clouds. I mean all this stuff. That's just not. That's recirculated air. You. Couldn't you just be pulling in air from the back of the plane where there's four people hacking up corona everywhere. I don't know Sanjay Gupta. I'm you know I'm watching Song J.? Joe Book Sanjay Gupta for the Coffee House next week. I know you will be allowed to take bigger. Bigger containers of Lake antibacterial. Gel So. You're yeah. Instead of living it limiting it to the three point four ounces. You'll be allowed to take a twelve ounce. Container of hand sanitizer. The plastic bins on the conveyor belt may be a thing of the past. Passengers will be asked to put belts wallets keys in phones e- into their carry on bag for screening. TSA officers will wear face masks and change gloves after every pat down. That's GONNA. That's GONNA. Take time to. That's GONNA take time. Yup Cova nineteen has had an unusual and unexpected effect on a large nudist colony in the UK British. Naturism has seen a one hundred percent increase in new members since the beginning of the pandemic, the group is attributing that to people becoming much more comfortable, going nude while walked down at home. Ran Out of clothes ran out of Clinton. Doing those monthly reports naked. Spokesperson for the Group Explains I'm sure. A healthy proportion of those people are suddenly able to experience nudity at home because they don't have to get dressed. More than two hundred new members of joined over the past two months and more have signed up for online events like Naked Yoga, nude coffee, gatherings and naked virtual pub matings. Bill! Better have that I've had set up a nice angle. Right yeah. Even though Americans twenty billion hot dogs, a year survey found forty three percent of us are too scared to find out what's in them. The. By Hor Dormael's applegate division found, women are more afraid of hot ingredients than men, fifty versus thirty seven percent millennials least likely to eat hotdogs. Twenty four percent say they don't ever buy them. The survey also found thirty three percent of Americans avoid dogs because they think they're made with low quality, meat, chemicals and artificial ingredients. Lipson bills. That the old saying. Lipson doodles. Tons German just whatever's left, toss it in here. I'll put. Seventy percent say the fewer ingredients the better when it comes to hotdogs, but when it comes to the toppings. What do you think number one? Catch a hotdog. Yeah? That's all yeah. What catch up on a hot dog stirred last free. Mustard. Mustard on a hotdog as the. Yeah that's the. That's the go-to Communist. Country Right now. Wow. Well doing hope. It's hope it's one where they put. Imagine what they put in hot dogs in foreign countries. Lips and behold I mean some would be better Swedish. Hot Dog by the way don't urban dictionary Swedish but ETA Swedish. Better? Ingredients in it. S Patrick. Finds A is Swedish hotdogs really small. Their meatballs. That's the Vienna sausage. What are the The pigs in a blanket, so you call those pigs in a blanket, and I grew up with gloom key being pigs in a blanket. Pigs, in a blanket where I grew up is. Breakfast sausage sausage link rolled up inside a pancake. And where I grew up, it was stuffed cabbage. No hot that you're talking peekaboo hot dogs. Hot Dog. Dog is wrapped up in a crescent roll and baked. Game aired delicious by the way. Billy? Idol is joining Jimmy Fallon, and the roots, or did for a social distancing remix of dancing with myself. Everyone performed by themselves from home from the quarantine or for the quarantine version of the eighties hit on last night's tonight show. The remix also included clips sent in by viewers dancing by themselves at home during the pandemic. Joan Jett says she does not feel comfortable playing in stadiums during the pandemic she's. Scheduled to be on that big summer tour with DEF LEPPARD portion Motley crue. It's one of the few tours holding out. They have not canceled or postponed. Yet! Because of the pandemic set to kick off, June Eighteenth Jacksonville. They're supposed to play here. August sixteenth at PNC park in an interview this week Joan, Jett said she wants to play stadiums, but she said she wouldn't feel comfortable putting the band or crew in that position. Finally Ice Cube opening up a little bit about a little known for you. He had with Mr Rogers. The rapper recently celebrated the thirtieth anniversary of his album. America's most wanted with an instagram live listening party earlier this week, and gave some details on the legal battle between him and Fred Rogers. He explained the late TV hosts sued him over his nineties track against his fairytale, because the beginning of the song featured the theme song for Mister Rogers neighborhood. Ice said that at one point Mr Rogers was getting five cents a record. Oh my God i WanNa. See back documentary. Yeah that behind the Music Ice Cube versus To Rogers. said they took part of the song out so. They didn't WanNa pay him anymore. Should night held the. wkbd balcony. Showers and thunderstorms temperatures in the low seventies. It is fifty eight a DVD. One more from Scott Blazey virtual coffeehouse today tomorrow night. Eight o'clock facebook live the the Saturday night Clark's concerts return in those have been popular around the country and you'll see why you're Scott Blazey DVD. Nobody Ever. What knowing. sobbed. I'd robbed. took. A bigger. Mom. CARE. Take care of. Challenge! Come. Back. CARE. Of Care. Watch the Sun. One that Brandon. It's. Bernie. Lagged Don't. Own! Singing? Sports. Mike with your sports right now and Devi morning. Show on my. Sports is brought to you by Dohrmann apply. It's wanted to take one more look at the one thousand nine hundred Stanley Cup champion penguins this hour. They've got game six of the Stanley Cup final against Minnesota coming up. On at and T. Sports Net and on our brother station, one zero, five, nine, the. the penguins about to win the first Stanley Cup in franchise history to truly appreciate the achievement. You gotTA understand. Not just the penguins retro history prior to that season, but where they were coming from based on the previous season, the nineteen eighty nine ninety penguins. What thirty to forty eight for seventy two points, they missed the playoffs by one point. This was back when the NHL was a twenty one team League and sixteen teams made the playoffs so. If you're one of the five teams that missed the playoffs. You were not very good, and they missed it. Because on the last game of the season depends loss to buffalo three two in overtime when a defense went by the name of Croup. In the extra session that knock the penguins out of the postseason, so correct Patrick went about changing his team. He hired Bob. Johnson to coach. He drafted Yarmur Yager with the fifth overall pick and they signed Bryan trottier. WHO had left? The islanders in season. Listen to these trades that correct Patrick was able to make. It started at the draft in June Nineteen Ninety Joey Mullen from Calgary for second round pick in October nineteen ninety Gordie Roberts defense, but from the Blues for an Eleventh Round Pick December of Nineteen Ninety Larry Murphy Peter Tagliavini, for Chris Daum West and Jim, Johnson December nineteen, ninety, Yuri, her Dina for Jim Kite December, of one thousand, nine Hundred Ninety Scott Young for rob, Brown, and then the big one that March. Ron Francis Grant Jennings and ULF Samuelsson from Hartford for John Colin Jeff Parker and Zarley elapsed. All those guys appeared in the Stanley. Cup final. Series for the penguins, and they all contributed in some way, and they all got here not just because Craig Patrick was a master at what he did. But because Patrick had also hired Scotty Bowman to be his right hand, man Bowman didn't coach the penguins until the following season, but the hall of Famer Mike Lang recalled with Josh gets off the penguins radio network the impact that Scotty Bowman had on that first championship. As an integral part of the penguins winning that First Cup and the reason is, he was director of player personnel. I can name you. The guys came here and particularly one really stands out. He was the guy that was instrumental in finding Gordie, Roberts and Gordie Roberts is one of the most unsung heroes on this hockey club from ninety and ninety one who just was a tremendous addition. Scotty scouted him. He brought them in You can look at Tagliavini Peter and Mary Murphy. The direct result from Scotty Bowman and the work that he did and the other traits to the penguins. Were involved in, so he was a big big time and I still this day. Thanks Scott probably as good reader of talent of any man. That I've ever been around and that includes Craig Patrick. Who's really strong himself being able to spot people particularly on a pro level that can play the game, okay? Craig Patrick was great at that that that talent evaluation he he was a master at it, so was Bowman and that series against the stars played out. As, the previous three had to pigments lost the first game, but they were also trailing two two one after three games against Minnesota, and that's when all the Stanley Cup championship talk and Paret Talk. And what's your ring going? Look like talk started to surface in Minnesota prior to game floor, and our Butterfield to nine or fill. Bork recalled how that really got the penguins going. Local reporters were asking about you know. What do you think there's talking about? Maybe using the same parade route to the Minnesota twins when they won the world series? And if you allow yourself to think it all about you know having diamonds in your ring, and Stanley Cup, and the whole thing, well, the players they kind of went with it. Probably innocently, but it made it into the newspaper. It made it into our locker room. It made it onto our blackboard stuck on their with interest half white hockey tapes and everybody looked at it well, just what might be? They never won another game. We won three straight. Pittsburgh. This a little Michael Jordan at him. Because you would think when you're trailing the Stanley Cup final two one the chance to win three more games, it'd be. The Champs would be enough motivation, but now you see the paper. They're talking about Oh. They're talking about a parade. Those guys we're. GonNa win this. That's the mind of an athlete man who could figure it out. What we're going to compare those dynasties, the polls and the penguins with a new soft dumps. Joe Barton when we come back. WHO's the Horace Grant of the Penguins? Dynasty, WHO'S THE SCOTTY? PIPPIN WHO's the Steve Kerr? Joe Bartnik Bartnik soft next year on the morning show I heart radio ask Randy Bowman and the DVD morning show. Randy Bamut in the morning show joined by our friend. Joe Barney time for another soft. Soft dumps. Nothing better than a soft dump to correct good often. With, Joe, Barton on DV. Man How you doing. Doing Fantastic Grandy, how are you? I'm doing all right and you know everybody kind of had Chicago bull fever the last couple of weeks because of the Jordan documentary, the last dance on ESPN so. Being that we have our own dynasties to celebrate here in Pittsburgh. A lot of people were watching the early Mario Cups ninety-one, ninety-two and Now I thought it would be fun for this segment of soft dumps. If you could give us a comparison, the two dynasties a mix of the penguins. Five Cup wins and the Chicago Bulls matchup the players in each one of those dynasties. Yeah, it sounds like a lot of fun. I mean just to dynamic dynasties. Led by emperors if you will. Indeed all right, so if we're going to compare. To the penguins, who was the penguins? The Jerry Krause the GM that was so divisive, but really did play a huge role, though everyone hated giving them credit for it because he was such a jerk. Well you know I! The Way I took. This was just the guy who made it all end in for that. We to go to our Baldwin. He ran out of. He wrote too many big checks. He couldn't cash him. I mean he actually to keep going. Because in the anti was so broke that Mary about to take over the team, but you know as far as a disaster. I mean he pigeon is just an emblem of our Baldwin. The pigeon all right. How about the Bulls Cliff Livingston? Well, cliff Livingston just an. You know that been around in the eighties is tough guy hanging out with it, not so much hanging contributing for our Banglades, but you have to think of the old to. Fill bork just being cliff levingston. This guy is seen it all and is now picking up some rings with the Big Guy. All right well. How about there? I think I. Think the to be okay with that comparison. How about their Craig Hodges? Craig. Bob Area just for smaller version of Bork. His his Iraq partner, you know when they were both in the minors together, they got their signing bonuses. They both bought like matching Iraq to drive around together and airy. Oh, that would be fantastic. Go go to Myrtle. Go down there to Myrtle beach with us. Guys much fun without a bit how `bout. The Big Bill, Cartwright. Who Do you got for that? Well? That one I thought fit in perfectly to Horny Patrick carquest because you know bill. Cartwright, nick and the Bulls loved. Oakley he Charles Oakley everyone's buddy. James Neal was, but they couldn't win with James Neal, so they traded him to get Bill Cartwright just like we traded to get Patrick Hore. Quist horny comes in. He beats everybody up. He's got the weird elbows. Opponents hate him and he the championship. I like it. What about John Paxson the Penguins version of John Paxson? Well? It has to be Frank Peter, Angelo. No one knew who tax was then he scores, and he's of course the big pocket to bring him to the bring the dynasty the Begin. No one knew who Frankie Peter. Angela was until you made the save without say. Dynasty. How about Steve Kerr the Great Steve Kerr who's the Penguins Steve. Kerr why you know I have to fit the rusty razor in here. One and you know Steve Curd with the big dagger. no-one throws more daggers than Mr Elimination. Yeah. I liked that one a lot. I think that's the most on the. No so far, okay. How about Tony Kukoc coach? Who was a tough one? The pick I went with Phil Kessel tied misunderstood came up with some big buckets in. You know just goes to the beat of his own drummer. I liked that one I think that that's an apt comparison. For a lot of reasons I mean also kind of like you know. The rest of the team was like you know what this guy's got his way of doing stuff and he did not give a F- about anything. And that was like Tony coup coaches like he didn't care that Jordan and pippen were mad during the Olympics. He's like yeah, whatever I don't care what you're mad at me because I didn't leave Europe where making ten million dollars more a year. I don't care screw off. Exactly! Olympic teams that beat. Sitter Gino so yeah there you go continuing S. He's international play record a little spotty, all right sisters, who with the penguins right now, sisters, gold medalists, who would the Penguins Rodman be? To Christopher Tag. I mean. Girls Love Him everyone's concerned about his hair. He's always got drama behind the play. Yeah I like those I I I saw that and I was like. I don't know if I necessarily see that, but now that you've explained it, I got it I got it physical specimen. No was in better shape than Rodman. Who would the Penguins Ron Harper be. Well, this one was a little tough because we had to get number seventy one in here, so I have Gino as the Ron. Harper because you remember would Ron Harper was a young NBA player on the played for the cavaliers, the clippers he was the star in his own right, but yet he said you know what if I want to win championships I'm the come to Chicago and be a supporting player. Not the Gino is supporting player at all, but he doesn't have. The baggage is say some guys up on. This list will be so. I put Gino's Ron Harper. You may get some emails about that okay now. There Phil Jackson. This is a tough one because Phil Jackson was with them through a lot of those championships and really seem to play a role of more than just coach of those guys. Who did you give the? Phil Jackson to as compared to on the Penguin Championship teams. Phil Jackson Half to be Badger Bob. You know I mean before Phil Jackson. Chicago didn't win anything just like before Badger. Bob The penguins they're in China. His Ara is still with the penguins. Just like how you know I mean. Phil Jackson was like a Shaman. And I think that's what Bob Badger Bob was to the penguins. Right. They didn't win one with Doug Collins now. I guess they didn't do. They know they didn't. He is the Pierre Kramer. Aright who's the Penguins Horace Grant. I kept in Stevens. I mean today did win anything. Before horsecrap came either so he was a homegrown guy. I just like having Stevens for Big Stud I. Mean they both could be in the Mr Libya contests for their bodies. Horse and Kevin Events Press contest. Well Now, this is where it gets tough. You down. I mean pippen and Jordan. Let's go Scottie Pippen. A. Lot of people would have thought you might have put Gino in. There was the reason why I didn't put Gino in there because Gino is nowhere near the baggage that Scott. Has and only one man has the baggage anti-israeli Really Batman, and that's our. You know the men on top. Christmas Tree Yaar Mere Yager. I just think about I mean she never had to explain why he didn't WanNa play in the in the last minute, the last two seconds of game, but yager forever here. He still forever known in Pittsburgh. You know I'm dying alive. Yeah, and that's. Pippen zone forever as I didn't want to go back in the game plus the fact that pippen stayed those two years the Jordan. Curve balls in the minor leagues. Just like Auger was here and it was still here when I came back. That is true. That is the better analogy. That I'm dying alive. Thing is the most misunderstood comment ever though I felt bad for Yager on that because he was not talking about like. I hate it here in Pittsburgh users saying he couldn't his game together. Exactly it's the worst thing in the world I? Mean no one loves Ya I, said on my Christmas tree, but you know we have to. Such a disgrace. Grace that he got booed the for ten years. Because obviously no one did more for the penguins you know other than you know the big to than than yards between goals between playing on half a not against the New Jersey devils that they could make payroll by winning playoff games. He's the best all right, and then for Michael Jordan I mean it was obvious you couldn't split up. These two bay only had one guide in this role, but we're lucky enough to have to. Absolutely I mean that that's just how blessed the penguins are that we actually have Michael Jordan's. Mario Lemieux and said I mean they both sorta resemble different parts of Jordan's career. Sit is like the after baseball Jordan well. You know it's hard to take his citizens so. They Jordan almost every way whereas Lemieux has a of Jordanian him, not the jerk qualities, but just the like Jesus qualities. Here's the Jesus qualities, but. I and I know he's competitive. SIB cities hyper competitive. I mean when it comes to the competitive nature between Jordan And Marian Sydney I. Mean I think Sydney Jordan matchup? Mario could be wrong about that well, though the gamble and everything. I Know Mariel. Jordan do yeah. There! You Go Joe Barton Nick host of the PUCK OFF PODCAST here with soft dump with a comparison of the Bulls Dynasty teams to the Penguin Dynasty teams and Hey Man. Thanks so much hope you're feeling okay out there in L. A. and we'll talk to you. Yeah would. Grady versus he says the low to. I just talked to Marzeih. We gotta get him on the show soon. I WanNa talk to him. Too Long He's the best all well, are you thanks so much? Have a good weekend buddy! Thanks, man! This is fun. There you go guys all right Mike. Air Your grievances if you have any. I'll I'll disad would have done it differently. There's quite a few, so let's leave it at that. Bell the any. Take exception. With No I would just say Jordan I've already actually made the. Of Jordan Tila Mu, because they both came into the League at in eighty four, and both came two franchises that were blasting stock of their respective leagues, and it took them both. several years till ninety one to to win a championship. A lot of support players a lot of key acquisition so I would say that would end the gambling. Obviously so I think that that was a good Good comparison. Although how could you say that says not the ultimate competitor I mean. I mean. That was my point but I would say. Kobe then. You know the next. The Jordan after Jordan. Yeah, I mean if you can expand it league wide. I thought Pippen. In yager good comparison. And Gino in shack are a good comparison. Because? 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Episode 12 - You Are Unique, Let Your Audience Know  With Elijah Kovar and Austin Schmitt

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Episode 12 - You Are Unique, Let Your Audience Know With Elijah Kovar and Austin Schmitt

"It takes an extraordinary team to embark on an extraordinary mission wealth vest presents the ninety nine best marketing ideas, a podcast, dedicated to bringing financial advisers the most cutting edge marketing strategies, listen in as your fellow advisors share their top ideas to help you conquer your marketing needs. Hello, and welcome to another ninety nine best marketing ideas podcast brought to you by wealthiest. I'm Matt Helen. I'm your host and today, we're doing something a little bit different because usually we've had one singular advisor on. But today we're gonna highlight affirm. And I think this is super exciting for a couple of reasons number one, because we're always looking for people who are doing things that are truly unique in different, right? Because that's why we have this podcast. But it's when you can incorporate something that's truly unique and different in a whole firm. You're just rising above everybody. I mean that's what that's what a lot of you really want. To create in great waters financial has created that I've got a Khobar, who's the founding partner and Austin Schmidt, who's a partner in the operations on our podcast today. So guys, welcome to the show. Thanks for having us. Okay, let's talk about the history of great waters where where did this idea come from, and you have a little different of a model. So let let's talk about that. Sure an awesome can maybe fill in a little bit here this Elijah, but we started great waters financial October of two thousand twelve partners. And I were working at a different firm, and we had an idea that we wanted to do advising differently than we were in in differently than, than we had seen in the industry. So he set out with a vague idea of what we wanted to accomplish. And we're looking up, you know, two thousand nineteen here got five offices forty five employees, and we feel like we've created a lot of what we had set out to do the idea was to be able to offer clients in more holistic solution when we gave advice to them I had so many clients where I would sit down with them out. Listen to them. I would ask them what they wanted. They would tell me they wanted security. Are they wanted? Income in retirement, or they wanted to know they weren't running out of money, and I would give them products that I thought would provide that type of the peace of mind there were looking for in that area at the end of the day, I would ask them. How do you feel and I didn't sense that they were getting the peace of mind they were looking for in what we endeavoured to do? An starting greet waters was to build out a holistic planning process that could answer more of their questions and give them the certainty they were looking for can I retire when I want to spend my money on the things I want to spend it on and know that I'm still gonna meet my goals, ten twenty thirty years down the road. Even if a rainy day comes along. Yeah. Tattoo that I think that once we found that people really wanted to be freed from the day to day of their finances. We realized that this is something that the market isn't doing very well. And hopefully we can reach as many clients and changes many lives in that process as we can't. And so, since essentially two thousand twelve twenty two thousand thirteen timeframe we really focused on building a business that was completely scalable, very efficient and would reach as many people in whatever demographic, or geographical region. They in we have heard repeatedly that people who are getting close to retirement, or who are in retirement. Their number one concern is risk, right? That they're terrified that they're going to run out of money, whether that's longevity risk healthcare risk. When you're talking about the holistic aspect of this, would you mind just talking a little bit about those two major risks in. Market risk. I'm sorry. That'd be three so so long jetty healthcare and market risk. Would you mind talking a little bit about how you position yourselves to give them that peace of mind? Yes, it all starts with a systematic process that we have for planning. We use a few different software systems in, we've centralized are planning process, so that no matter what officer visor client is sitting with they're going to get the same customize plant. Now, I want to distinguish something here. We don't use a boilerplate plan. We have a systematic method or a standardized process for how we customize glam when we do our forecast, we forecast, first of all cover healthcare, wrist. We forecast increasing healthcare costs throughout retirement, and the big one is, what if I end up in long term care or nursing home, we have a side of our software, where we can la- straight. What if you spend three four five six seven years in long term care? In what does that do to your assets down the road? Inclines able to see clearly. Hey, I've got a problem in need to do some planning there or. Oh, how I'm going to be okay. I'm not I'm not going to go broke if I didn't have been the nursing home. I guess I can't afford to take this vacation, I was debating about, so that's the first one healthcare Rhys longevity risk. Goes hand in hand with that the software that we use to project for that also shows what asset balances are gonna look like throughout retirement with increased in cost of living. You know, people don't realize that expenses are going to double throughout their retirement, when we look in the long haul if you've got two and a half percent, inflation every year, you know, we're increasing the cost of spending when we go into retirement things like travel, usually people's expenses are not going down in retirement. People are spending more in the early years in how do we plan for those expenses and make sure the assets are gonna last? So we use software to give a, a very detailed explanation of what clients forecasts are gonna look like. And we walk through that with them with conservative rates of return, and the last one that you mentioned is market. Risking my experience is that, that is absolutely one of the highest. Concerns that people have people live through two thousand eight and they watched people have to go back to work. When the market dropped the way did we they, they watched people not taking their vacations or questioning if they were going to be okay when the market was down? And it's a shame when people don't do the things that they intended on doing just because the market's down, so planning ahead of time before the market drops to have some money on the sidelines that we can live off of, you know, if the market goes down for two years and takes three years to recover. How do we get through those five years without having to sell any of our stocks or funds when the market is low, I'm that's a fundamental part of our planning process, and we have a specific methodology for how we give that advice to each client based on their unique cashflow situation? So how do you get this message out guys? I mean you're growing exponentially, you've created this jug or not of a of a business. What are some of the ideas that you've you? Used in the past from a marketing or whatever perspective to help you grow like this. Sure, do you want to? Yeah, I can take that won't. So we really started with education. That's really the basis of everything that we do. So educating communities around us educating them on concepts that they may be have had pushed on them by financial advisers, but never really understood for themselves or how it interacts with a holistic plan. And those educational events could be your typical social security strategy seminars at communities community centers in libraries or dinner workshops where you're bringing a friend and learning about how long term care could affect your retirement assets. And so really it started with getting as many people to come out to hear the concepts that we were going to be putting in place for their plan and hoping that, that drove in excitement that they never experienced while meeting with the financial planner. So. So really, we focused on presentation getting people out driving direct mailers and also online lease and trying to get as many people to hear one holistic plan means and how understanding the concepts that are inside of that plan work to better their lives. What we found I what we have found over the years, we still do these type both educational presentations, on a regular base teaching one of these classes tonight at a local college we, you know, we send out invites to people who are in their fifties and sixties. They come out to these events. And what I consistently hear your after year event after event is people tell me, I've had an adviser for thirty or forty years, or twenty years, whatever it is. And they'll say, don't they usually talk about investments, but no one has ever educated me on the tax side. No one has ever educated me on protecting from downside risk, as I enter retirement or social security maximization. So there's some unique topics that were educating the public on those events and that gets their ear and they wanna come into the office and, and see what else we have to teach them. I'm gonna ask him my favorite question, which is what what did you try to do that? Didn't work. Well, like, what are, what are some things that you like through a whole crap ton of money at in? You're like dang it that didn't work. Oh, wow. Where do we start this was a long list? What are you talking? Last customer. What do you mean? Well, I the one that I always like to rub alliance faces public television, also indefinitely do not work for us. The, the whole concept of doing advertising on public television was great in theory, but it really was not, not something then paid off at all. So people had heard us in seen us, but it didn't drive any revenue coming into the business. The other thing that I believe is a pretty large failure that is actually being done throughout the industry, our client appreciation events. It's great that your clients know that you appreciate them, but you can do that through continuing education you can do that by doing lunch and learns where they come out you by him launch in continue, the conversation of learning. You can also do that by just being in their lives and having a relationship with your clients by sewing them retirement parties in one thing that we do. In one of our offices. We get professionally printed business cards that have the client's name and it just says retired and has their favorite hobby. So Bob Johnson retired fisherman. And those are things that clients. Grab onto you say you've heard us you care about us. You are involved in my life, and you care about the well being of the lifestyle that I want to live and you don't have to throw me, a eighty dollar dinner in some fancy theater somewhere to make me know that appreciated because you're doing it with your actions. Right. Right. Just couple of examples of our failures there we the second year in business. We had over one hundred clients that we had come out to a ballroom, we threw a big dinner. I mean it was like planning a wedding, and it was about as expensive as that we had all these clients come out, we had live entertainment, fly into town from out of state. We did this amazing Christmas dinner. We encourage them to bring friends a lot. Brought like their kids and stuff in. I mean, we spent all this money, all this time, we thought these clients are going to love us when we do this. We didn't get one single referral from that. We tried it again. We took two separate on a lake near us. We did dinner cruises on these big boats. We drove around looked at all the big houses game a tour nice dinner zero. Referrals came from this. I mean we brought over eighty people out on those cruises, we did another one down the river over a hundred clients on one boat zero referrals came out of it. So we, we invested quite a bit in that what we found is, when we do educational events for our clients where we don't spend hardly any money but they come out and we teach them something. And we speak to them, they end up bringing their friends to that we've actually gotten more referrals from these educational events than the client appreciation, so let let's talk about that, because that's what's working in. That's what's making you guys. So successful today wh where did you how? How did you create the event? Let's talk about execution. How're you driving butts and seats because that's what everybody wants to know. And I know you guys are successful with this. So help us with that. Sure. Are you talking about the marketing events to the public or the referral events with our clients south? Okay. Well, I can probably start on the, the referral events. One event that, that we've found successful is one that I'm doing in a couple of weeks here where we rent out a room for free at a local college. They give us the room. We catering some food for three to five hundred bucks. It's quick appetizers from a decent restaurant in the area people come in. They snack for fifteen minutes and they sit down and we talked to them about taxes and tax reform and we spent forty five minutes talking about taxes educating them on concepts. They weren't aware of. And then we open it up for questions and answers at the end, and we make it open for them to bring referrals to these events. But. But it really is a us giving to them type thing in. We have had so much appreciation out of those events. We've had referrals come out of those events and then the other one that is a little bit more directly results in business, generated is we have our clients come out to a referral dinner. We go to a very nice restaurant. Nara? Whoever's got a good meeting room. The better the restaurant, the more successful, we found this to be will invite them out, but their ticket to come to the educational event on tax reform or whatever the topic is that we decide on is their ticket is bringing a referral with them. You know referral fifty plus someone who could be good potential client for us. So we pack these out people bring out their friends these events we educate at these events, and then we collect their, their friends information, and we set appointments right on the spot for them to come into the office. That's generated some referrals for us as well. So we found that to be definitely the most successful. Marketing strategy involving our clients so far definitely better than all the money in time. That was wasted on client appreciation. Yeah. On the public side driving people to those seats has really been attacked from all angles. We do a lot of direct mailers. So we use a mailing house that Paul's lists of people that are in our demographic, that we're looking for in that we have tend to be successful with, and then also online people are online daily at work on their phones on the weekend. And so we are advertising, your Facebook and linked in different social media in Soto making a big effort to be on top of Google ranking Solan, somebody googles retirement planning in Minneapolis. We know where they know where to go. They know where to find somebody who's good at it. So we are really focused on the online space quite a bit as well. And then lastly public television wasn't a great thing floors. But local news stations have been really great. It hit for us not only building credibility. So when somebody sees one of our mailers they, they recognize the name or they recognize the face on that Mailer. But also when people see us on the news, they believe that we're credible, which we are. But we are talking about topics that are relevant to that client in to that prospect. And then we invite them out to a workshop from there. Not to get too much in the weeds. But part part of this podcast is is, is really the execution aspect of it. And I know that there are advisers listening to this right now saying, well, I want to be on TV. How did you guys position yourself to be able to be on your local news programs? Sure it was really it started for us with just networking. We have a lot of most all of our founders are very social, people that are actively involved in their communities. And when you are rubbing shoulders with people in your community, you tend to rub shoulders with people that are somehow -ffiliated with media channels, but then also there are the are firms out there that you can work with, and they will look around do some research in the area that you are trying to market to, and they will find you placements both on local television stations or interviews for local newspapers or magazines. As well as radio availabilities that are out there as well in a lot of written opportunities, we've found with a PR firms, they'll get us in the Wall Street Journal, where we're voted by the author as the writing articles and things like that. Now, you had said that you didn't see a direct our ally with with the public television, but I guess I'm just kind of challenging the guys here is PR. And I just talked to a friend of mine, PR, yesterday, and ROI is something that they struggle proving how, how are you guys saying, okay, Apola speak? We'll see here. I'm on the news or I'm in the local paper and therefore that increases blank. How are you tracking that because that, that's a something that I think is very allusive to a lot of people. Sure. Yeah. That's a great question. It's actually something that we have been challenged with recently as has continued to grow because there's a definitely a difference between advertising PR and we generate. Nation and keeping those things distinct in your budgeting is really important. But also knowing and being able to ask as soon as you interact with the client, how did you hear about us as a really big thing for us because they might see us on the news. And that really is where they become familiar with great waters, but it wasn't until they received a Mailer at their home, but they decided to come to a workshop. And so as soon as we interact with the client whether or not they're coming in online at a workshop. Our very first question is, how did you hear about us, and what didn't work? And so if we are tracking that, well, then we can split those people into different categories in. We implemented a lot of different software systems throughout great waters. But the really one has made the most impact has been our CRM, our, our client relationship manager and making sure that you're documenting how somebody. What about you want? You vent was it that they that made them take action? So it wasn't a workshop, or was it that they saw us on Facebook? What was that decision point where they went from a passive person that is just absorbing information to somebody who is reaching out taking action? I wanna highlight just a couple of quick statistics here, and then a phrase that I want people to embed in their brain number one. It takes somebody to see something ten times before they decide to make a decision if they're going to click on it and follow through so you guys being ubiquitous you guys being everywhere is really helping, which is the last point that I want to make. And then I have a couple of the questions for you. But it's this, if you have to be you have to be as a business owner in the medium in which your clients want to learn this information when they're, they're, you know, a so good. And you guys are spot on with that, right? So you're on the news. You're in. In the paper, you're on social media. You're hitting people with mailers. See people think that there's like a one trick pony here, and there's a placebo, or whatever that's just gonna work. It's one pill. It's not. It's this, you guys have successfully created this, this momentum's generating thing because you are incorporating, every piece of communication, you can in order to get in front of the right people. Right. Right. Absolutely. I think it's important to prioritize the things that are going to actually put people in the seats and create direct result. But Austin made a good distinction there. You know, you have to differentiate between branding and advertising and lead generation, we spend more money on me generation and direct marketing, but the credibility that we get when people see us on the news three times, or if they watch it on, we have regular weekly spots, and then when they get the advertisement in the mail, or the, the, the brochure that invites them out. It to an educational event, the go. Oh, that's great waters. Financial I've seen them before. Gosh, I feel like I know who that is where, you know, they've just were familiar to your point, the ten ten times they've seen us, maybe, and they get that Mailer, and they go, oh, that's familiar. They're credible. I'm gonna come out to their event 'em Edwin as we have as we have seen in the last few years, having multiple marketing channels has actually increased our referral rate as well. So when somebody tells their friends that their financial advisors the one on the news at eight o'clock in the morning. That's something that makes the other person wants to also have that advisor or that company working on their behalf. If there if you're credible enough to be on the news. And then you have a friend who's working with that? It just increases the curiosity and actually the jealousy, making the referral business, comment or quickly. Well, it's, it's that it's at credibil-. Factor. Right. We we referred to it as the influence her model on. You guys are truly an influence or you have made it to the point where people don't look at you. As just the advisor down the street. You are the solution person. You are those guys. And I think that's fantastic. Now I want you guys are hearken back to when you first started in the industry. And if you both had one piece of advice for new advisers, what would it be? I, I have one that first thing that comes to my mind when you ask that I didn't experience when I started in the industry as a young man, I was twenty three years old, and the president of the company that I was working for told me when I was doing house calls I was driving fifty thousand miles a year, minimum that going to my clients houses meeting with them all around the state of Minnesota. And here's what the president told me, he said when you go into their house. Your job is to take an application. You're going to sell this product or this product or this product or the service, as at that is what you do. And it's the president of the company. It only seemed like a good guy. All right. That's what I'll do in. That's what I did. And there came a point my career where I started asking myself the question if this was my mom or my dad would I give the client same advice. What I found is even though I had. Reasons to give the advice giving my answer sometimes was. No. And when I started asking that question I had to change the way I was thinking through the advice that I was giving I wasn't just being a salesman I had to be an adviser, and my advice that comes out of that is every person that you sit down with you need to care about them is if they were family. And if in ask yourself the question in as a new adviser, is this, the advice that I would give to my mother? And if it is, you can give that advice with absolute conviction to that client or prospect in what I found. I'm not just trying to sell things these days, but I'm bringing on way, more business in my sales are much more much more successful because I've got more conviction when I'm in front of that client, I know I'm doing the right thing in the client can tell. Yeah. Might be of advice would be. Once you realize that it's not about you. That's when you've made it the business that we are in is about. Helping people change their lives and you have an impact on a man I love this. You have an impact in a area. Somebody's lives, that makes almost as much difference as their health their health and their finances, and it can't be about you, it can't be about how much money you're gonna make the lifestyle that you're gonna live. It's about the people that are sitting across from you, and it's about how you are giving advice that's in their best interests at night, you're on and the sooner that somebody can recognize that the sooner the successful calm, because that, that type of care is contagious, and it will not only be felt by your clients, but it will be felt that your team that is working with you on the culture that you're creating that is going to push more sales, and it's going to push the success that you're going to see in the future. Let's quickly talk about your guys success. And then I'll I'll wrap it up with my final question. You know you are now on this podcast in front of a lot of other financial services professionals is there anything you guys are looking for, like, if somebody listens to this, then, like, Hannah really love their model or you know. Are you looking to bring on new advisers? Are you looking at taking over a retiring books of business? Is there anything you guys are looking for it? I just like to kind of, I don't know help you guys out for giving us such good information today. Sure, there's a couple of things we're looking for. We're always looking to meet good professionals that want to do the right thing for the client with the client, I, we've advisers, who are educationally focused planning focused, a, we've got the marketing systems in the sales systems, but we need people who really have share a similar heart and the, the value wanting to drive inspiration to clients to care about our clients and do it in an excellent way. So we're certainly looking for introductions to advisors anything else that we're looking for us. Yeah. It said this industry is also aging it if we can just said it that way, the we have a lot of advisors that are ready to hand over books of business and are looking to figure out. Out how do the transition in the next season of their lives? How did they transition into their live greatly type of type of season in? So when somebody has a clientele clientele that wants to be passed along to a different adviser. When you're looking for a place to put that or a company to introduce them to, we are more than interested in talking to you in and seeing what we can do to help and helping hoping that we also change their lives and continue the legacy that you started with them, right? And we do have a process for helping advisors transition in retirement where we take over their their practice. We actually set up an office three hours away to do that, for an adviser and he has moved into retirement here. The last couple of years, and that's been a fun thing to realize as we were talking before we hit the record button. My final question is along lines, which is what keeps you working so hard every day in both of you? Emphatically talked about two components of your business. That, that keeps you working so hard every day, which you talked about is your core value in your mission. Would you mind sharing that with everybody and how that helps guide decisions and how that decide guide your culture or I'll share emission Austin can can talk about culture in our core values? Our mission is to inspire empower people to live great lives. We realized that we're financial planners, we do tax indication and tax strategy and income planning throughout retirement, everything that we do on the holistic planning side, is to get the clients to a place where they know we've thoroughly plan their finances and they get to focus on what really matters. What really matters is not their money. It's what they put the money there for in the first place. It's so that they can create memories and invest in relationships and do the things that they wanna do without worry about their finances. So being. Focused on the client's goals is the number one part of our business. How many goals can we help clients achieve, and we actually track that, that is one of the we're not just collecting assets? That's one of the key metrics that we focus on and it drives the conversations in the office, we share stories in our meetings about what are we doing for clients? You know, if I can help client, retire two years early and take that trip with the grandkids that they wanted to take that's the biggest win for me. And for every advisor a great waters. And those are the things that we, we all try to stay focused on with our staff. Yeah. In our core values. We actually have four core values, actively carrying pursuing excellence, cultivating growth and driving inspiration. And when we were deciding on these core values a couple years ago, we wanted to come up with. Four that really could be applied to both our team and to the clients and the four than we came up with were things that were put on our hearts that everybody could associated with everybody could relate to. And it would drive a team towards a common goal of being the best that they could be and the best that they could be for other people and helping other people realize the best that's in themselves. And so, when we came up with this four, we have really liked him at now, the hardest part is keeping them in front of all times, making sure that we are running a business, and creating a team that is focused on the core values in making sure that they stay top of mind on the mission that we have. And so once a week, we actually have team huddles, and we. Essentially nominate other people as to how did that person exemplify, one of our core values this week? And sometimes one of the people on the team has had a great week and they get nominated four times. And sometimes they go a couple of months without anything or they're not hitting other people. And then we make sure that at our company meetings in during our incentive trips and things like that those people are recognized and and stood apart for an held out for something that they did well and making sure that we do practice what we preach. These are core values and we will live them in one thing that allowed is mentioned. That's been really fun. We do quarterly meetings comfort with the whole company and every quarter, we have an operations staff member team member, and in advisor who's nominated as the quarterly, would we call that values in action action. So it's our quarterly values in action who is exemplified cultivating ROY. Actively carrying pursuing excellence in driving. Inspiration and they're recognizing in front of the entire team. So it's kind of a coveted prize here, and that's been really fun over the last I think we've been doing that for or meetings now for about a year now. You're if but that, that at its core is what's helping us develop a healthy culture where we're attracting great talent. We have most of our, our team members are referred by people who work at great waters that can't stop talking about the company that they're working at, and it's been really fun to, to watch. Their friends come in the door without having to go out and put out ads to advertise for new employees. We're having people that are like us coming on board who loved to be here. Well, done guys, I, I have to say as a recovering a coaching consultant. I mean that that was always what we really wanted to try to implement in the firms that might might company had worked with. Because when everybody has that solid foundation and it's consistently reinforced, which is why it's working so well for you that does change everything. And, and the fact that your team is talking about how wonderful to work there. You guys are killing it from from a revenue standpoint from a value standpoint from a mission standpoint from a culture standpoint. You know, this has been a fantastic ninety nine best ideas podcast because I truly believe that, you know, if other firms could look at your leadership, and so you know what I want to be like them. When I grow up there truly going to be successful. So thanks for being on the show, guys. Thanks for evidence. So Elijah Khobar founding partner in Austin Schmidt, partner and vice president of operations great waters financial were our guest today. Of course. 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Harvard University Study On Diet and Regular Soda -  397

The Chalene Show

27:11 min | 1 year ago

Harvard University Study On Diet and Regular Soda - 397

"Before we get started. I wanted to let you know. Some really exciting news. My new book the one through a method, which I've been working on for three years is now available for preorder. You can find it at burns and noble and also Amazon dot com. And of course, you can go into your local mom and pop bookstore and ask them to order it for you. When you do place, your preorder for the book, I want to reward you and help you get started immediately with your mindset, all you do is go to one three one book write that down one three one book dot com, you'll enter your Email address and your order number and immediately like that minute. I will send you this free mindset coaching program that I've created as a bonus as my thank you to you for pre ordering the book for supporting me for being with me along this very very important very personal journey. I am so committed to helping you get healthy. From the inside out improving, your gut health, and creating a customized approach that works without the fads without the gimmicks, something that you can do for the rest of your life and change the legacy of health in your family. But you know, what it starts with mindset? So please take advantage of this free bonus. It's a ninety seven dollar value. And it's yours by going to one three one book dot com for more details. All right. Enjoy the show, but don't forget one through on book dot com. Hey, thanks for spending some time with me today. We're gonna talk about the latest research out of Harvard University reporting that soda sports drinks and sugary beverages increase our risk of dying from heart disease, breast cancer and colon cancer just to name a few. But I also promised to offer you solutions in this episode how I cured my addiction. I mean full blown junkie level addiction to diet soda. Welcome to the show lean show Selena's a New York Times bestselling author celebrity fitness trainer in obsessed with helping you lick your life trending on Twitter. Trending. Well. I'm not really sure why this became such a news story this week because the research is not new well, the Harvard research is a new report, but the research that we've been doing on how sugar impacts our risk of heart disease and cancers dates back. Back ten in even fifteen sometimes even twenty years ago. I mean, we've known for a long time. I mean, that's why high fructose corn syrup has such a bad rap. Obviously, we've looked at how it increases our disease risk. Here's the deal. It's not the consumption of sugar or fructose or glucose that causes cancer. It's the amount that we're drinking. You guys is the amount that we're consuming, and what's really interesting about these studies is it's pretty hard to find one where they're not just looking at either food or beverage, and the fact of the matter is usually both are going on the more sugar, you take in even unknowingly the more you crave. It. I thought I was eating a really low sugar low carbohydrate diet. I would have that my life on it. Because I associated things that were high in carbohydrates and high in sugar with, you know, just the things you think about like donuts and bread and cookies and. Cereal. And I wasn't considering all the other foods. I was eating healthy foods, healthy breads, healthy, grains, all of the fruits and vegetables hours eating that were high in sugar. I wasn't considering all of those things. So it wasn't until I really started just spending a little bit of time in the ignite phase. That's what I call that part of the one through one method. So the one through and method is it's an approach. It's not a diet. Right. And so I talk about my approach a lot on this podcast because I'm trying to help people. Adopt this instead of adopting a diet, and one of the things I think is incredibly beneficial to you is from time to time is just a track. It's frigging no different from Hello, occasionally, Ye should look at your Bank account and see what's going on does that mean you need to obsessively. You know, check your balance. No. But if you're not looking at it on occasion, you could go bankrupt. Someone could embezzle your money, you could be out of money, and you're still spending it, you know, what I'm saying. Like ikat kind of know your numbers, and you can't get. Yes. At this stuff indefinitely now if you just spend a couple of weeks tracking you'll have enough insight to go. Oh, allow it and realize that and when I did that I realized my diet was way r- in sugar. Then what I realized? But here's the deal. It wasn't because of anything I was drinking. You are listening to a full blown former diet soda addict. I'm in full blown recovery. That's true doesn't even sound good to me now. But I mean for twenty plus years I drink diet soda. Not a little a frigging ton in. Yeah. It has me quite nervous. Not a little a lot. Sadly, I have to tell you that my father-in-law might be loved father in law. Bob johnson. He was football coach for more than forty plus forty five years fifty years fifty years fifty years as a head football coach like the coolest dude in the world. Like, I've learned so much from him about how to be a standup guy. How to put your family first, like just awesome. And he's coached thousands of kids. He's put so many boys into division one scholarship positions in into the NFL. Look an awesome guy. He lives on to this day diet soda. I love him so much, but it's affected his brain. And not in a good way. And it's so hard to see him slipping. You know, and it's a struggle. He's been diagnosed with Alzheimer's taking them to the clinic. We wish he wouldn't drink diet soda. Are. You kidding me? Yes. Yes. But he still is. He's changed so much from his dia, but he has not changed the diet soda habit. We're working out. You know, it's like a family thing. You know, we're working on it. My point is when I started looking at the research around diet soda, and specifically the artificial sweeteners that were in the diet soda, and how that impacted not only my brain health, but my gut health and how it led to dementia. That was pretty convincing to me, and I was already on a fast track to Alzheimer's based on my own specked scans which I had done at the Ayman clinic. That's the Ayman clinic dot com. Aiming clinics. I think it is plural. Amen, clinics dot com. I write about it in my new book, the one through a method. I hope you've pre-ordered your copy by the time. You're listening to this. If you're listening to this after the book has come out, please pick up a copy, and I d tell how it started with my brain health for me BC, I was not afraid of diet soda. I was like I'm not drink. These sugary beverages. I'm not going to end up with heart disease. I'm not going to end up with a spike in my insulin level because I'm drinking diet soda, and how bad could these artificial sweeteners really be. That's what I believed, but I was doing diet soda every single exercise. Video you've seen Mehan everyone of them. And I don't mean a little bit. Like, my routine was to drive through. I have a certain fast food restaurant chain here in southern California. Okay. I'll tell you what it is Carl's junior. And I would go every single day every day sometimes two three times a day to get. I don't even know what size. It was it wouldn't fit in my Cup holder was so freaking huge as big giant fountain diet coke, and I would take a swig a suck off of that straw. And it was like a heroin addict having their hit of heroin like I've seen these addiction specials where they show the addict like putting the rubber, you know, turning around their arm and then like. You know, like slap in their arm and then taking that pit of heroin. And then you just see there is kind of like the lashes flutter in their eyes roll back in their head. That is how I felt when I drink diet soda. It was so crazy addicting for me. Like I woke up, and that was my first thought I drank it for breakfast. Am I worried about the long-term effects? It's gonna have a my brain. You bet. I am. That's why I'm doing like every other possible thing I can do moving forward. I mean, I haven't had any diet coke. I can't tell you the last time ahead diet coke ever since. I had my brain scare I mean, but I didn't come off at immediately. That's what I want you to know. I change a lot of things the day. I got my failing health report from my doctors when I was at the peak of my fitness and health career. I changed a lot of things like that very day. One thing I did not change was diet soda, and I couldn't change it. Because I'm not joking fat addicted. I wanted to change it. I couldn't share with you high was able to do that. But before I get into how I did that. I just want you to know that it's more than just the art. Official sweeteners this new science. It's coming out. These new studies have determined that consuming four diet soda. So that might sound like a lot. But for me, I was probably consuming a total of eight. I would assume a day because I was doing those big like seventy two ounces like probably twice a day. I know I'm nervous. I'm afraid trying to make sure everything else. I do cancels out all the damage. I've done that's all we can do is do our best moving forward. But now, we know. In fact, let me pull up the study so can read directly from it for you. The study said that the more sugary drinks. So we're going to get back to diet sodas just moment. The more sugary drinks. A person drinks the greater their risk of dying from heart disease. Sweet beverages were associated with higher risk of dying from breast cancer and colon cancer as well as prostate cancer. The study adds to a growing body of research on how sugary drinks may. Negatively affect our health. Now before we go further, I want you to check out the Instagram TV, I g TV that I did earlier this week because this episode is about diet sodas, but I also want you think about sugary beverages and not just sodas. Okay. So hold up think about this your second how much sugar do you think is in a soda? Okay. Don't guess I'll tell you about thirty grams of sugar for twelve ounce beverage like a can of coke. So if the average person is drinking two cans, which is twenty four ounces that is like sixty to seventy grams of sugar in a beverage or a serving whatever or your regular soda. Okay. So the average person whether having a large juice that's like twenty four to twenty five ounces of when people are juicing. They get the large size guess on. What sugar isn't that about the same? In some cases, more. But you're thinking. Yeah. But but it's healthy. It's natural. It's from fruit. Your body doesn't know that your body just knows sugar and by consuming more sugar than what we need a deregulates are insulin response. In other words. It disrupts our body's ability to know what to do with insulin. And then what happens way gain see when your body produces and doesn't know how to regulate insulin. We know that eight creates a magnitude. I mean, a laundry list of problems. Okay. That becomes toxic think about if you've got too much of anything in your body. It can become toxic you guys including water. I mean you die from water poisoning. If you consume too much water, the average person won't, but the average person is consuming shuker in our beverages, and in our food in a level at which has become toxic. Now when we do that our bodies like Sosa. Mart. That says, hey, let's fight this off and one of the ways that everybody tries to fight. These things off is with inflammation, and that inflammation crates plaque. It creates leaky gut it creates disruption of our hormones it creates weight gain. I mean, we've known these things about sugary beverages for quite some time. We've known this about taking in too much sugar. But I think what people have failed to take into consideration is that sugar sugar. Your body doesn't know whether it's from Honey or whether it's from table sugar or fructose or high fructose corn syrup or glucose sugar show her and in this study, they reported that for every additional sugary drink. That's one single drink a person consumes their risk of dying from heart disease increased by ten percent from one drink per day. So I'm gonna ask you a question. I wanna see if you get this, right? How many sugary drinks should the average person have per day? Okay. Well, I'm going to give you the answer zero. That's how many should be having. You should be having zero drinks sugary, sweet drinks per day and less, of course, it's sweetened naturally with stevia. And I wanna say this. I use Steve. Yeah. You sweet leaf stevia. But I try to limit the amount. You know, why? Because we don't know a lot yet about the long term effects of using stevia as a sugar replacement. Yes, it's all natural. Right. But the body receives it as being sweet, right? So it's telling our brain. Oh, this is sweet. And when our brain receives something sweet it once more sweet have you noticed that personally? I'm working progress. I'm still trying to change my palate in the past before I really understood the effects of artificial sweeteners. I would put like four Splendors in my oatmeal. I didn't know about all of the associate. Risks with artificial sweeteners. I was more concerned with real sugar. So I'm just saying there's a cautionary tale and to be honest. And with all things we have to say, this is what we know thus far, and we have to use commonsense. We asked us our intuition, and my intuition is telling me that as much as I would love for stevia to be good indefinitely. I have to recognize it. We don't know a lot about its long-term use. And we also have to recognize the common sense factor that like, yeah, it's sweet and my body then like my body receives that sweetness. So therefore, it is likely to crave. More things are sweet. But what happens when we are consuming anything worst sugar or carbohydrates and excessive amount that convert then to sugar what happens is our body has a disruption of our hormones, specifically are hunger hormones, which causes us to crave. More carbohydrates more food. It causes us to be Hungary. Frankly, it increases your. Gremlin which is your hunger hormone that. Usually makes you ravenous for food, and it decreases leaped in leptons, the hunger hormone that limits, the hunger that we feel so can you see how this is like a serious catch twenty two the more sweet things you eat PS. Even if they're not sweet if they're just starchy vegetables, which aren't sweet per se that increase of starchy vegetables and increase of carbohydrates increases, your insulin response and therefore increases your Gretl in production. And what does that do? It makes you hungry. All the time. Hey, I've got some really exciting news. We are returning. We're back on the road with the Shalini show live in conjunction with my book launch party. I am taping. A live episode of the Shalini show at the suburban theater and Beverly Hills on April eighteenth now that is Thursday. Pods squad. I would love to meet you. This is going to be really special. I mean, they're all really special because I get to meet you, and you guys get to meet each other, and they're fun. And it's the ultimate girls night out, and fellas if you were smart, you should come with your lady or you should come to find yourself the love of your life because I have the smartest funnest coolest most amazing audience. And I can't wait for you guys to meet each other. So grab your tickets now you can find them by going to Shalini show live dot com. General admission starts at thirty nine dollars. And I don't know if they'll be available at the time, you're listening to this. But we did make just a few special seats available for people who basically want to spend the day with me in Britain the team you'll go to lunch with us. You'll hang out backstage will pop some champagne you'll help me pick out my outfit. We'll have a good time. You'll meet the drag Queen who happens to be emceeing the show like this is a once in a lifetime experience. Hey, don't. Wait, go to Shalini show live dot com, and I will see you on Thursday, April eighteenth. And then you're craving more sugary more carbohydrate type food, you might not even realize it. And then the body responds by producing inflammation, systemic inflammation. You're not even gonna feel your joints are going to be achey. You're gonna think you have authorites tendinitis all these different ICES, you brain fog. Your digestion is off unil- longer regular. You sleep is off your hormones are off which means Ila Beato is off and guess what else? Now, your risk of developing cancer, and heart disease. So here's the part that I addressed in my Instagram TV video which you can find on Instagram. I don't know if you guys watch I g TV's, but they're pretty cool. I try to keep my under five minutes. But so I dressed this topic because this morning when I was at the gym. I overheard two women talking about how they're doing this juice cleanse one lady goes, oh, I just did a fast, and I'd select my ears perk up what you know. And then so I start eavesdropping and the other two ladies are like oh fasting. That sounds horrible. We're doing a juice cleanse this is like day seven of juice cleanse. And I'm so I'm listening to them. And basically what they're doing is juicing tons of fruits and vegetables in massive amounts every single day. And it's so hard for me to say this. But I just I want you to understand that when you're juicing to that extent, you're not getting the pulp you're not getting the skin. You're not getting the fiber. You're getting the juice of those fruits and vegetables is that a good thing. I see this is so hard to answer it. So hard answer, you hitting nutrients for sure is that awesome. Yes. Are you getting nutrients from fruits and vegetables at maybe you don't normally eat here s that's amazing. But guess what else you're getting whole bunch of sugar and our ancestors remember, which means our bodies weren't designed like our ancestors didn't have us bowls. Didn't have these giant bulls with blueberries and strawberries in pineapple and Chia seeds and bananas in peanut butter. And you know, what I mean like, they just did not have fruit availability to that extent. So we go crazy, and we overdo it and we failed to take into consideration. Because we're like, wow, it's healthy organic fruits and vegetables. Which is a good thing. But is it a good thing when we're consuming it like seven days a week and we're not eating any protein or not eating any fats, and we're just basically consuming vitamin rich, shuker, frankly. I don't know. It's your call to your decision. I just I want you to be educated. Which is why I don't make the rules for you. When I say one through a method that method means the first one stands for your health, objective three weeks of following a structured plan because I'm not going to give you a plan, but you need to create your own plan. But most people don't know how to do that. So I'm gonna give you the structure for three weeks to test your diet, and then one week too fast, and refuel, but you're going to get the information. So you begin to understand like how these things affect you. So that you're not overhearing a conversation at the gym between two women and thinking to yourself, which is what I would have done before. I would have heard that conversation, and they're both in by the way and just came out of a cycling class, and you know, they're just these beautiful Newport moms, and you know, in the past I would have heard that conversation thought, I should be juicing. I better go by juicer. You know, because you just didn't know how these things imp-. Packed me how to evaluate. That's what I want you to learn I want you to learn how to evaluate these things. How to evaluate them with a little bit of skepticism the same way talked about how I feel about stevia. I'm not saying, it's bad. I'm not saying we should over consume it. I'm just saying I'm wondering, I'm curious anyways. I know if thoroughly covered that in this episode so back to die soda. She'll lean diet soda doesn't have sugar it's sugar free. So why is that having the same effect as he's sugary drinks? Good question. That was my argument for the years and years and years that I was hearing about this research about diet sodas and didn't want to accept it. So I wanted to hold onto anything I could find usually funded by the beverage companies that said drinking diet sodas in moderation is perfectly healthy. I wanted to hold onto that. We was Eero calories in zero sugar. So how could it be bad for you? That's what I thought. But now what we've found is at drinking artificially sweetened drinks does however produce some of the same affects in fact, women who drink more than four diet beverages per day died at a higher rate than any other group, particularly from heart disease. Okay. Now, I'm going to be reading from one of this is not the Harvard. Researchers research that I will link to also released in March of twenty nineteen here breath clearing his throat in the background. It's like I mean, we've been married for twenty four years, but that is like happy as drives me freaking crazy. I love him. But that drives me crazy. Okay. Anyways, some reading from this article. It's March twenty nineteen artificially sweetened beverages and stroke, coronary heart disease and all cause mortality in the women's health initiative. So this is part of a women's health. Initiative observational study, again, this research that I will link to my show notes released just as month. Crazy, right? And this is probably why the Harvard study is getting so much press right now too. But what they found is at high consumption of artificially sweetened beverages had a clear association with increased risk of small artery. Aclu's stroke, a higher body mass index being these women are heavier, coronary heart disease and all cause mortality, I have to tell you. There is no shortage of research dating way back. I mean, dating more than ten years and further that looked at the effects the health effects of consuming artificially, sweetened beverages or artificial sweeteners. I mean, we've studied the effects it has on the baby when the mothers, consuming them, we've studied and found a correlation between an increased risk of obesity and the consumption of artificially. Sweetened beverages. Also linked to a few studies where we can see a clear correlation between obesity, and the increased consumption of artificial sweeteners. It's kind of crazy. So the bottom line is this whether you're drinking soda juice, apple juice, stop giving your kids any thing to drink. That's loaded with sugar and calories. Like, why get them drinking water? Get them drinking lemon ginger water. These are healthy things. You can get your kids your family. Just start drinking these things now why because you loved them you love them enough to change these habits. But I understand that it can't be done overnight. If I told you could be done overnight, then I would be lying because I personally couldn't do it. I to wean myself off of it and onto water, and I want to share with you exactly how I did that. No, I had planned on doing that in this episode. But if I do then this one is going to be too long. So what I'm gonna? To do is going to release that for you on Friday on Friday, you can tune in. And I'm also going to teach you and share with you how it was. I was able to wean my family off of not just sodas because we were also to drinkers, but how I was able to wean us off of quite a few things that weren't good for us. Great for us. But we really really enjoyed them. And I didn't I didn't want to give them up immediately. So I had to do kind of the slow gradual process. So that no one really noticed it and gradually slowly changed our palette. You can do it to tune in on Friday and share with you how he did that specifically with soda, but with snacks to in in so many other just general regular Staples. That I bet you have in your house right now to maybe you know, how to do it yourself. You don't know how to get your family off of these things. I'm going to help you with that on Friday. All right. Thanks for listening to this episode. It's crazy times out there, y'all. I know this can be confusing. That's why I wrote the book if you haven't really picked up your copy, please do of course, you can find the book at every. Major bookstore is all Amazon Barnes and noble or you can go to one three one book dot com for more information. But just please pick up a copy because you do need your own approach. But I wanna help give you the system around that. You know, did you make it easier for you? So that you you don't feel like your loss of that. You do have a plan in place, the structure that you need to create a methodology and approach to the way. The you eat that's going to help you live longer live, happier. Live fuller because I love you. I love you so much. I appreciate you for being here. You are amazing. I love you. I mean it, and I hope to see you soon.

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David Sterns Legacy; E-Cigarette Sales; Googles Dont Be Evil

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David Sterns Legacy; E-Cigarette Sales; Googles Dont Be Evil

"Bringing in show musically this is squawk PA the daily podcast brought to you by the team behind squawk box control to CNBC's essential morning show every day. Get the best stories. Debate and analysis from the biggest names in business and politics are coming to enact today on Squawk pod remembering David Stern. The man who changed the basketball game he ran the NBA. And what. I would called I this inside of Velvet Glove Hello Bob Johnson founder of bt and the first black majority owner of an NBA team speaks to stern's legacy in sports and beyond stores rolling back e cigarette sales only go so far says the man who ran the FDA. Dr Scott Gottlieb. The damage has been done. This gain fashion among children and strife among Google's I journalist Joanne Lipman on the veterans of the company who are pining for the original days of Alphabets. Don't be evil culture. The mood was more like disappointment with with something you love. But it's really worth. It seems since then from disappointment to hostility. We've got those stories and a lot more. I'M CNBC see producer. Cato Cramer. It's Thursday January second twenty twenty talk. pod Begins Right now. I have a really good Barbara. Walters EXAC- Ryan seacrest twenty twenty twenty. Two hundred they played one hundred of them. Make It stop make. How many of the musicians have you ever heard of or seen before? I didn't watch that much because I fell asleep. I do like I gotta say I don't know about the everywhere because I can't really see what he looks like post Malone. He's really good good. He's really talented. Did you see that. Now Okay markets up sorry twenty two twenty three twenty two wanting good morning everybody and welcome squawks here on CNBC. We are live from the Nasdaq market site in Times Square. I'm becky quick. Along with Joe Andrew is out today I up today. The United States is stepping up military presence by hundreds of troops in the Middle East after two days of violent protests in Baghdad. Iraqi protesters have withdrawn from the perimeter of the US Columbus's compound their US military spokesman said the embassy is now completely surrounded by security forces just today secretary of State. Mike pompeo postponed a a planned trip to Ukraine to deal with the ongoing developments out of Baghdad. You know the people that I follow on twitter and that somehow get to me. It's an unfortunate situation. The embassy is scorched It was a big response from the trump administration starting with a lot. The Marines and paratroopers a lot of people deployed and as a result. Some people were crying about it being overkill but as a result I don't believe in you know it was not the same situation as Benghazi and my people say. At least someone picked up a phone when the ambassador called that he needed help. At least this time around someone was there to actually respond and come in and do it now. I know I know but you know what I mean that the people that are in peril all you know it. It wasn't a I don't know what happened in Benghazi but we didn't do those people any any service any any good at that point right I mean we got no wonder and they came. They were on their own. You've seen the movie right. It's horrible what what finally happened. But in this case overwhelming force and it's a better outcome seems like I do see what's that it certainly appears that way. Yes it's not. The same situation where lives lost in. New details are emerging today over. How former Nissan Chairman Carlos Gone managed to skip out on bail in Japan and escape to Lebanon? I think it was like thirteen. Million million dollars. He's like okay a lot for me. Filipo joins us. Now it's part of the part of the whole point. I guess do you know was it. The base case throw harp based on that and then the report was that they said well. That's not how he got out of the country. Look there are more weird stories Out there about how Carlos going out was able to get out of Japan then there are stories that have been actually confirmed by anybody because half the time you hear a report come out and then a couple of hours later. Well that's not true. Somebody close to the family says that's not true. So here's what we do know this morning regarding Carlos going situation and you can bet there will be more for details over the next couple of days and more developments over the next couple of days I with Japan scrutiny. There about how you were able to allow a guy under the house arrest who had cameras. who had officers outside of his house? How they allowed him to get out of the country they by the way they raided his house there today? The French governments in an awkward position. Yes he is a French citizen at the same time. The French government owns part of Renault which is part of the Nissan Renault Alliance which is very fragile right now. So how do they play this. And then you have Carlos gone he was welcomed in Beirut earlier this week. We did get a statement from Carlos going earlier this earlier this week where he said I I have not fled justice. I have escaped injustice and political persecution. I can now finally communicate freely with the media and look forward to starting next week exactly exactly when we might hear from Carlos go next week remains to be seen. But here's the timeline. Think about it from Carlos perspective. Now this is not saying what he did was correct. ORB was right. But just from his perspective he was arrested on November nineteenth and yes then he was stripped of his job with Nissan then he was indicted but generally speaking over the last thirteen months he has had limited almost no conversations with his family with his wife and and as a result he clearly felt at the best move for him was to get out of that country. You take a look. At shares of Nissan Renault. We have yet to hear formal comment from the company regarding in Carlos gone skipping bail and getting out of Japan and the stock down thirty five percent since his arrest back in November of two thousand eighteen to wild story guys and perhaps one of the more interesting things. Joe Is that you get these reports that are then denied and get another wild report. I mean these are all the little details. That are not necessarily going to confirm anything. I may be shooting around some of these things but I'm not sure that they would tell the truth anyway about correct and it's not like they're saying here's how he got out correct. And that's why when Carlos go and talks next week. I doubt that he is going to shed any details about exactly eh the plan to get him out how was executed impart because they probably want to protect the people who have helped them in Japan. They didn't do this completely without some some help in Japan. Yeah say clearly had to have some thirty no if it were you last week but I kind of danced around not actually saying I would've done the same thing if they treated me like that. I didn't really say that. But that's sort of what I was feeling after watching the whole saga right right hard. Not to think that he was is treated very well. I don't know but I I don't know the details of the accusations but here it is they just spell it out in the Journal. It's the headline the Journal. or at least they took out out of the out of the peace in the OP ED page. Obviously it's hard to blame him for fleeing Japan interest ill-treatment. Then it says they go on to say it's been a fiasco from the start from dubious to start the whole saga of the best way for justice to be served now would be for truth about the accusations to emerge for going to get his reputation back. If the evidence is week is it seems and even go on to say for Japan reform. It's justice system in corporate governance so there are more appropriate for the modern free market economy. Saw Aw journal Joe. I don't think anybody would disagree with that opinion or those opinions that you just read this as his side. I mean that's rare you. You know what I mean by rights but at the same time now that now. That's why I think the most interesting sort of side angle here. How does France play this right? On one point it is one of their citizens and they were critical of how Japan was handling Carlos Goan yet on the other hand. They can't be too critical. Oh because they own part of Renault and Nissan Renault relationship incredibly fragile right now befalling parts fell that I guess the question becomes it does. Is Carlos going ever able to leave. Lebanon is he is. He kind of started the extradition look. He's got citizenship in Lebanon Brazil and France so theoretically he could go to one of those countries I'm not sure what the extradition centrating there is one between between Brazil Japan But it is. It's an interesting question that you that you raise here. And then the other question that comes up is will he the ever be able to truly get his reputation back in terms of saying look. Here are the facts. This is what happened. This is what was not made out by the Japanese. He's a thirties or is the fact that he escaped and skipped bail. Will that always be the one story that people are going to focus on and this other story which is incredibly important that whether whether or not he misreported or did not fully report tens of millions of dollars in compensation will that ever truly come out. Thank you fill thank you thank you. You're between Boeing and Tesla and everything else you fun. It was a fun Christmas break former. NBA Commissioner David. Stern has died at the age of Seventy Eddie. Seven stern suffered from brain hemorrhage three weeks ago he led the NBA for thirty years the longest tenure of any major US sport and is credited with transforming in the League from twenty three teams struggling to make a profit into the multi billion dollar global brand. It is today Georgia Zell on the squawk news on Bob Johnson founder and chairman of our eljay companies. Bob was first black owner of an NBA team. The Charlotte bobcats back in two thousand. Three soldiers majority stake as you probably know to Michael Jordan Jordan in two thousand ten. And you heard Eric and all of our discussions Bob. What what what what? What are your recollections about? The Man David Stern himself. Well well personally I would say. David guided me both in terms with vice and says about becoming the first African African American owner of any National Sports League team and to me that was that was exciting and having when I serve on the airport at governors the NBA. The one thing everybody the thirty owners in those meetings with David knew who was in charge he he ran the NBA. And what. I would call the NFIP inside a velvet glove but he he really believe deep in what he set out to do with the NBA whether it was on the issue of the number of African American players in the League and African Americans into ownership positions African American management position and he had a vision about where the NBA could go globally. And I I I tell you I've I've never been involved with a a business executive. who was so confident in the asset if you will that he had that was the NBA? that You can have an NBA board meeting Thirty owners with vote. Nay David with Bowtie is have you know we were talking earlier about how he changed the league's fortunes to such an extent and Charles Barkley. We was Talking very recently about this about how when he joined the League back in one thousand nine hundred eighty four the average player salary was two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Today it's nine million dollars. Obviously owners fortunes went up in a similar way. It's kind of hard to to go back to think about where the League was when he stepped into the role in eighty three or eighty four. Yeah it's hard to think about it because earlier commentary about the weather not fans and the sponsor except league with African American players throughout the Throughout the game. Because because the one thing David with told me say pop you know when when our teams play it's different from football football player closer football players some thirty we are jumping beers. Fan Up in the up in the stadium And they have a helmet owned by recognize. Our players are within two feet of everything and so when you think of African Americans playing in a place where fans or white and they're seeing them and their style style and their behavior. David recognize that as something that could be a social issue particularly if behavior here the players or stress style of the players which by people who wanted to make an argument about the the style nature nature competitiveness brilliance? If you will of African American Ballplayer David recognize that he dealt with it with the dress code dealt dealt with with the way. You couldn't express your your colleges some court at the choking as signal all of these things David. It was so sophisticated. And there's some aware of what he had to do to make the league acceptable both nationally and doggedly that I can't can't think of another industry that's had to deal with a business model dominated by African American talent Allah And so that was that was what was unique and so special about David And he was he ran the League your way he believed the league should be run and I think every owner benefit from player contracts to The term conditions of TV right. Yeah I mean moral compass. This was was so steady. The entire time and thirty years is a long time bobby in the history of this country in terms of race relations. And how I mean we're still. We still have some turbulence silence now obviously he was way ahead of the curve on all that stuff right now he he was in personally for me. He said I want you to be the first African American the owner of a sports league. And I'm GonNa Guy Throughout man and that was that was was David with the Women's League the Debbie NBA He really he really thought saw the future going to China and I WANNA thank. David used to say when this was a time the reality shows were coming on television. Every play every network had a reality show. David would say to both the owners and the League. He said every night eight games are reality. Show you don't know how it's GONNA end. Thank you appreciate the call in today. Happy New Year. You guys okay. Great Cheese will be next next on squawk hot the FDA plans to ban the sale of fruity flavors in e cigarette cartridges. As soon as is this week Dr Scott Gottlieb who ran the regulator to answer or they bad actors debate intentionally go after this market and try to get kids addicted to nicotine. Well certainly when when you look at Jewish historical practices I believe so. You'll still owns the kid market. Sixty percent of all kids were vaping using Joel. This is squawk hot. Here's Becky quick. The trump administration is set to announce a ban on flavored e cigarette cartridges bridges White House officials tell CNBC that menthol in tobacco flavors will be exempt and that the new band won't apply to tank vaping systems that are commonly found at bape shops ops. It's an effort to try and curb teen vaping analysts. Say that the sweet and fruity flavors represented about eighty percent of retail store e cigarette sales in two thousand nine hundred president. Trump is expected to formally make that announcement tomorrow but joining us right now to talk about the ban and some big unanswered questions is Dr Scott Godly. He is the former breath. Da Commissioner he's also a CNBC contributor and a board member at Pfizer and Scott. It's great to see you so we've been talking about this for a long time. You have been an advocate of making sure these flavors got banned. But what happened with Menthol. Is that a step back from the White House to modest step. It's going to have an impact. I think we're really going to be dependent upon tobacco twenty one the new age restrictions really to try to quell this youth epidemic but the policy they announced effectively freezes the market as it is jewel the market leader and the number one product. Used by. Kids Ed's already pulled all their flavors off the market. This ban just affects the cartridge based product so products like jewel and views and enjoy an effectively. What's going to happen now is enjoy and views views with their ase device enjoy with our Aldo device? Actually I think that's backwards. They're now going to have to pull their flavored pods like jewel did you. So you have for a long time. He had said that menthol probably shouldn't be there. Either Right Menthol should also get pulled. Wh what happened. What's behind the scenes? Look I think the issue with the Menthol is people worry about adult smokers using combustible products. That are methylated and not having the option. They switched to a non-combustible productivity cigarettes. You WanNa leave the Menthol in the market as an option for adult smokers smokers. I think the issue that we need to remember is this just effects. The car is based products when you go into a convenience store if you're a kid you're still going to be able to find lose eloquence flavored liquid. What we ought to do in March of twenty nine thousand nine was withdrawn all the flavored products from the convenience stores where the kids are getting access to those products? This is still gonNA leave the flavored e liquids and little bottles in. No I don't understand that. So they're banning e cigarette cartridges. But not the not. The liquid liquid kids can still go in by. Hi this get access to. So what's happening now. If you go all right any flavor so if you go on Youtube you'll see how to videos on how to basically refill these pods with flavored liquid. So you can buy in stores. So one option was to withdraw the liquids entirely all the flavored liquids from the convenience stores where kids are getting them in just just segregate gate them to the adult only vaping shops. And you've never had a problem with the vaping shops right because they are Pretty careful about who they let in the door. Some of most of them. I mean they have a better record on on hold in the convenience stores I think with the new age restrictions tobacco. twenty-one now they're gonNA be able to call it up to twenty one so that will help them keep kids out of those stories. It's really the convenience stores you have to reduce the access and appeal these products to kids. The appeal is the form factor of jewel. The high nicotine buzz but also the flavors. The access is through the convenience stores and also the social social buying into high schools. Eighteen year olds by sixteen year olds. That's why tobacco twenty one so important. One of the unanswered questions about this policy is how will it treat a disposable e cigarettes so Something called puff. Bars is becoming very popular among kids right now. Jewel is the most popular product. But puff bars is gaining on jewel. These are fully disposable e cigarettes made in China Ena basically single use items. I'm not sure how this policy is going to treat that because it talks about cartridge based products. Why do you think the restrictions are getting watered down from what the president had initially announced? Well the reports are that there were political concerns about the impact on vaping stores. And Look I. Was I too sympathetic to the vaping stores because I do think that adult smokers because are using the open ten products to convert off of combustible tobacco us. You want to provide some options for adults right to stop smoking but you know I would have been frankly more aggressive on NEPAD pod based products and withdrawn from the market. I think jewel views enjoy those. Come off the market entirely. I don't think given the youth us. They have enough redeeming. Public health value are bad actors actors. Did they intentionally go after this youth market and try to get kids addicted to nicotine both certainly when you look at Jewish historical practices. I believe so I think there were historical. Practices is a target those products to kids. They've cleaned that up but the damage has been done this Jane fashion among children. Where do we stand right now in terms of the addiction problem with kids who we're getting addicted to nicotine and getting addicted to inhaling things into their lungs it's growing look and kids are also now vaping? THC The active ingredient in cannabis. Because we've SORTA popularized the notion of Vaping vaping liquids altogether look twenty eighteen. You said seventy eight percent increase. Twenty nineteen the data showed another thirty percent increase of youth views on top of that so fully third. Almost a third of all kids are now using some form of nicotine vaping product kids under the age of eighteen. We'll go up the beginning two thousand twenty if they can make rapid implementation of tobacco. twenty-one that's our best hope for stopping this epidemic if they rapidly implement that and enforce it hopefully you can get this to level off maybe declined twenty twenty because the restrictions on the flavors that they put in place basically just freezes the market as it is. It's it's a real boon to jewel all because it forces jewels competitors to not conform to a jewel already dead so this helps Joel quite a bit. They'll gain market shares a result of this policy. You think that's policy is to. The first is in terms of trying to stop the addiction. I think it's incremental. I think the biggest impact right now is going to be from tobacco. twenty-one you could have gone further. They chose to take a step back back. It will take enjoy views and some of the other products that are gaining market share puff bars hopefully off of the market and flavored forms. That are attractive to kids. But you'll we'll still owns the kid market sixty percent of all kids who are vaping using jewel you say. They've stopped their bad practices but if sixty percent of the kids are using using Joel. What should that company actually be doing to try? And make sure that its products are not handing ending up and hands come off the market. I mean when you have a single product at that has that high of a violation rate. They've demonstrated they can't control access to their product as you come off the market. There's a regulatory basis to do that. So they could have taken selective action against jewel in my opinion and had the legal basis to do that. They could've taken selective action against all the pod based products as a category and pulled them all at the market and just left the open tank systems on the market. They chose always to do what they did. Presumably if you believe the reports which is just banned the flavored cartridges. Go in those products that will have an impact it will be incremental. It's not going to have a significant impact on the market. Because really all you're affecting his views and enjoy and some of these niche products like puff bars. Dr Gatling thank you next on Squawk pod former burglars are speaking out about the culture inside the nearly trillion dollar company. And the ongoing internal controversies and alphabet may take a toll On recruiting new talent media journalist. Ed Lead in Silicon Valley. It's not just the pay. It's the company you work for. You not only have to sell them on the salary after. Sell them on the mission. We'll be right back. You're listening to SQUAWK ON BECKER THREE TO I'm Becky we're GonNa Talk Tech Right now. And specifically some emerging strife inside alphabets Google Division. Veterans of the company are now saying saying that it's become unrecognizable from what it once was digital. Bose's here she's got more on that story. Good Morning Good morning and happy years well. Next year one of Alphabet the biggest challenges school come from within its own walls and that is the culture war that it's really been seen building over the last three years. The company has been marred with controversies around hate speech sexual harassment employee walkouts apart of this internal transformation that is becky said. Some veterans say have left the company unrecognizable. A lot of it has to do with this is Google has scaled to more than one hundred thousand workers. Things that have worked very well over the last two decades they know may may no longer be so straightforward. Remember remember. This company is worth nearly a trillion dollars now few of them weekly all hands meetings where workers could openly aggressively challenge executives. They also used to allow anyone to access nearly any internal documents. So that's all been scaled back but with less transparency and a workforce raised on that unofficial motto motto. Don't be evil. The controversies are piling up. An employee's are pushing back. There was project dragonfly a secret plan to develop a censored search engine remember Android android. co-founder Anthony Reuben has golden parachute after sexual misconduct. Claims found credible cancelled a ethics board. Now there's and more resulting in walkouts rally L. E. Some employees battled to quote save. Google's open culture all of this all of this internal conflict. It doesn't look to be going anywhere and it will now all be on Co Center. Try to manage it as we head into twenty twenty guys. It's not just this culture war it's political scrutiny. A slower advertising business is going to be a challenging one for Google. Like me you have do we have got you from you. Know you're dealing yes. Yeah but we're here. Is that good that we on this side of the table. Hold your breath anyway. Thanks how long does it lasts. It's been too. I don't know I've never tried Tamiflu. I'm trying everything any water. Let's expand our conversation. Maybe ed Lee or or join the not hot tea do you have a on. That's not how it's been at least new your times. Corporate Media Reporter Joanne Lipman Distinguished Journalism Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. They're both CNBC careers appears. Let's not talk about it. Let's talk about Google and you heard I think I love. I love all our big tech companies. I I think this needs you use google right I use Google maps I. It's free just two thousand. Nineteen was the year of looking a gift horse in the mouth and and the rest of the world looks at us and if they had one facebook they had one google they had developed one thing since. Sap they'd be happy but they don't have it. It's really not just about two thousand in Nineteen Zero pointed out this has been going on. I mean I was actually on the Google campus. Happened to be giving a google talk on November first of two thousand eighteen which was the day of the walkout. Over that ninety million dollar payout to Andy Rubin for sexual harassment to make him go away and what's really interesting to me is to see there's been a transformation so so at that moment so he's in the middle of thousands of people At headquarters and the walkout the employees at that moment it was the the mood was more like disappointment with something. You love with an institution that you love. But it's really morphed. It seems since then from disappointment to hostility. Is this GonNa make it tougher for Google or alphabet to be able to hire top talent. I think that's a great question because you had people who deeply loved the company and love that don't be evil Kind of concept. And now you have have. I hear it from younger. People who have concerns about being affiliated with Google having said that the stock has taken off. It's not just Google for facebook as well like in Silicon Valley. It's not just the pay. It's the company worker. They firmly believe in the mission. The direction the product that they create so you not only have to sell them on the salary you have to sell them on. The mission can't over the the common denominator to the woke will any old Bernie Sanders supporter. That has a problem with the profit incentive. In general they're working for a company that they wish would would would not be everything I think rockets and goodness always saying is the common denominator in today's world with some some young. You're never going to get that woke. Look if you're at a for profit business and to try to satisfy woke -ness of this new generation that's been told all this wacky stuff you never going the. Do it ever GonNa do some leadership issue. You're absolutely right. How much do you want to count out your millennial denominator? So I wouldn't seventy percent. Socialism is okay say lowest common denominator. I would say you've got a new generation. That has a very different outlook about what they're looking for. Not only got the job. Google was able to do it for so long. This is really a problem. That's arisen over the last three years so they have been able to be quite successful by doing the right thing. That is all changing angel. I mean they were in bed with the Democrat. Hillary in the last how much more I think what you're they cried and had a corporate meeting to try to help soothe. Everyone's the Hillary didn't did elect more woke. Do you need to get. They have an issue. For example they have been under scrutiny by the Labor Department for underpaying women. They have an an issue where they don't have transparency where what they're paying women minorities Ethnic Minorities and so I knew you would get to that. This is not harass you. This is an issue. That's already been aired out by the let me let me change gears to another thing. That talk about okay did the is. Are we going to canonize Tim. You're talking about Bob. EIGER and Disney movies is work. Here's my only point. Disney last year was up thirty one point nine percent okay from January second. This is a variety piece comcast up thirty two percent. What is that jeeze that is? That's okay so tide. Let's call it discovery. We talk about Zaslov and discovery So what does a great job and you know what some people say though and okay. So let's see where was the discovery was thirty two point three percent. At and T.. Up Thirty seven percent and that's kind of there's some specific stock with a good dividend. And it was it was hurt in two thousand eighteen the credit that Bob is your sort of wondering about you know who should mention other other people as well. It shouldn't be all all I all I think. If EIGER is mentioned in the context of well he took this very well established very well run on media company but use it doing in sort of the traditional way and decide. You know what we're gonNA scrap this thing the way we've been doing it. which is linear television? And we're going to go all in on streaming which has lower to know margins and a lot of cases and he actually told Wall Street. Look don't expect profits from thirty five years and this is hopefully where we'll get and so after day one they actually release numbers ten million new sign ups within the first day that's actually pretty astounding We don't know how many of those are free scientists but the point is there's a lot of interest I come with the Viacom. CBS was down four percent down to a fundamental change of their business model. I think that is what Disney arguably right Arkansas's credit by owning all your IP globally. That's what discovery and Disney though started that from way back when he bought Pixar and then Lucasfilm and marvel and I think oh you also raise a really interesting point which has been Canada is and he is he is the top right and so when you go from here and here we are at the very beginning of twenty twenty second. What is what we'll Disney? Look like in the coming year. And how does he top the year he has just had. Apparently they may make movie this year. That's not a sequel. I it's just just in just in the works right now. It's just they're just talking about it. It's not for sure right that basically unless I. We'll see a halloween sequel. But Yeah Disney plus of course they again right there you go. What did we talk with? The best performing stock of the last decade has been net flex right so it's moving forward ordeal we can talk about is streaming and of all the CEO's you've just listed in companies. I mean Disney's the most talked about at least the last few months. Thanks to baby yoga and some other other characters you come on right Eiger under Argus Sir rain. Yoda it's amazing. Jason appears in my own time line in my own is going to be made a appearance on the Family Christmas card. God you're going to be average. I mean it lasts like a tangible right that as a media executive. That's always been the hard I love. I like him. I just think that you know. Uh other people's vehicle kept them just saying spread the love around but if you are beyond baby Yoda you've got out. How can be five dollars or whatever it is for forever either? So we're going to see in this. I report how that's working for them to. Maybe they are poisoning. which was the? It's six and change if you're buying it Other I'd rather do. SMART companies do advertise advertising mediated created streaming. You're talking about a forthcoming streaming service and Barry Diller like which actually as Netflix and Disney riser. There's fewer places for advertisers to put their stuff so having something like a peacock I think is probably for advertiser Madison Avenue. They're looking forward to that. They wanted to get something free. I don't want to see. How many bills am I paying for? All these things there will be there'll be oppressed and there will be a shakeout clear there will and people are GonNa have to raise prices too but more content and content is good is it is good all right thank you. I knew it I knew you know the first day of twenty three you get woke at some point and you did thank. You can count on your wall doc. My pleasure thanks. That's the show for today. Thanks for listening. squawk box hosted by Joe Kernan Becky quick and Andrew Ross Sorkin doc tune in weekday mornings on CNBC at six am eastern but to get the smartest takes an analysis from our TV. Show right into your ears. Subscribe to Squawk Todd. Wherever you get your podcast will meet you back here tomorrow?

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Politics in the Time of COVID-19 and Ed Gordon on Being Black While Broadcasting | Larry Wilmore: Black on the Air

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Politics in the Time of COVID-19 and Ed Gordon on Being Black While Broadcasting | Larry Wilmore: Black on the Air

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It's been around for a long time and we talked about his career. This is about a month ago. We had a great conversation. I was going to drop this earlier but everything started happening. It just got lost in shallow so I hope you enjoy that conversation. We have of course. It's pre- Corona virus. So we don't mention that at all so it'll be kinda interesting to hear a kind of how we're talking about the world world so far away now but Who man it's really hard watching these presidential briefings? I don't know if you guys have been watching them. Those corona virus updates. Those are so bizarre. I mean I don't think I ever feel good after those watch them and had to tell you it's really because of trump you know he's just ill-suited to lead he just really is. You mean all those other people like pants whatever I could care less about pins. But he's not trump you know and fau chief thank God when he speaks. You know. It's like a breath of fresh air. Somebody she's speaking without politics and Bob but trump he so frigging thin-skinned. I don't know how he how did this man ever make it in anything in life being that thin skinned and the way that he lies as such on full blown display where he tries to act like. We weren't alive like a month ago. We didn't hear anything like we're all of us are two months old and we had no idea he said or did the things that he does you know. Trump's lies are so bold. I mean they're so bold that I think people probably doubt themselves if what they thought was actually real. I mean it really is fascinating and the way he so petty with the press. I just had enough of that crap. I mean and the fact that he said he you know this is not the time for the divisiveness so partisan politics. I mean his example. That is so ridiculous but I have to tell you one of the more outrageous things you know. Trump's from pushing this medication the hydrogen hydrogen. I can't say what it is. I think he does not. I'm talking about right this treatment that has worked in some Small instances there's anecdotal evidence. But there's been real trials to know what the real effects of Vidar it might work. It might not but trump the way that he promotes. This is what's worrisome to me. Not The fact that it might be effective. It's because he believes it might be effective because he takes his cue from Fox News. He believes it because he saw it on Fox News. So that's why he thinks it might work. This is crazy. Making guys are president relies on Fox News for his daily briefings while barely reading his actual daily briefings. I mean that's newsworthy. Asking the president. You know what he knows about things getting into open the president the president. It seems like he gets Intel from Fox News. This is one of the things about his presidency. That makes me so. Crazy is his relationship with that organization. This is the man in charge of our country. You guys in his recommendations come from Fox and friends think about that. I can't even think about for too long. It makes me upset and now we have the election coming up. It's such a man. It's such a bizarro world right now for this election just the way. This whole Democratic primaries gunned down now Bernie I guess suspended his campaign. They don't actually quit. They suspend them. They can hold onto delegates and that kind of thing as oppose and Biden is the presumptive nominee. I guess defacto nominee whatever. You WANNA call it. I don't know how to feel about that. I really don't I just really don't I? Don't you know I really don't know if I had an actual candidate this election? I understand why Biden look. I'm going to vote for Biden. Let me make that clear. Biden has to be trump. But if I'm not speaking about myself and the way that you know some of the Bernie supporters of some of the people in the far left the progressive wing of the Party are reacting to this in just Biden's ability to excite the electorate or to get people out. Because at the end of the day you have to get people out to the polls they have to get out and vote right. We'll see what's going to happen you know I don't know how like okay you guys remember. I predicted trump is GONNA win a couple years ago based on the economy really. That's all it was based on now. Of course the economy is. I mean who knows what's going to happen. It's an you know. Part of whip really is hard to deal with. These days is the devastation that is going to happen and is happening for a lot of people. Who are relying on the type of connectedness that this economy has provided. You know some of the the GIG economy drivers that kind of stuff people that own restaurant working restaurants promoters people that put events. I just read This thing in deadline about all. Just the show-bizzy. These are just show-bizzy than that were cancelled and everything. It's fascinating because the events canceled people catering events people working those events through security for those events. There's all these little jobs and connectedness that just go away during this thing and some of those things are just never come back in the money from that has never coming back so I'm very concerned about a lot of people just falling in this weird area of not having a way to make a living. This is very troublesome and guys. I don't think the government actually is going to be there to help these people out or whatever it is so So how are people going to feel going into this election? What's GonNa be important to them? I don't even know if the election is going to be the most important thing to people when it comes around. I don't I don't even hear people talking about the election. You're barely seeing on facebook. You know and I think the Democrats have been getting cancel their Their big a national convention. Or whatever it is. I don't think anybody really cares about that. You know even when you see Biden on. Tv He almost seems like this ghost speaking from a time in our past or something or it's clip you know it doesn't seem like there's energy around this this thing or or any wave of something so now. I'm really confused. I can't say trump's GONNA win. I can't say I have no idea what's going to happen. I have no idea how we're all GONNA fit. How are we all going to feel July if we're still sequestered by the way in July we're in a lot of trouble? I hope that doesn't happen. It feels to me that some of these numbers are starting to level out. In some places I'm in Californian and thank God. Our governor really put his foot down early on but you know the other side of that is the longer this goes on like. I said the more really hurts These small businesses and people working. So I'm hoping that we can start getting back to normal as early as June here. Here's what I think we should do. Especially here in California. At least I'll speak for my own state. I can't speak for these places but seeing what's happening here if our numbers really level out there's no reason why they can't start opening businesses say at the intimate and just follow the same type of procedures. That grocery stores doing it. Look if we can do grocery stores we can do it. In other stores. We'd been trained to social distance at this point. Nobody shaking hands these days. You know people wear masks all this stuff that I think we can like. We can have a three month period where we have a a social distance. Business Open period. You know I think we should start thinking like that rather than thinking. How can we get just right back to normal? How can everything be like? It was the day before all this happened. I think we should come up with real plans to gradually do this a bit using all the lessons that we've learned in trying to deal with this. I think we're GONNA need that to Kinda gradually get our lives back back to the way it was Texting with the friend of mine today and they ask. When do you think we're going to get back to normal? I Dunno I think we're going to have a new normal. That's what it feels like. I mean a year from now. Is this a hug the forgotten that would be very bizarre? I don't think so I think some industries are fundamentally changing some for the better by the way I think people teleconferencing with their doctors is a really good idea. Sometimes it's hard for people to get out of the house. Transportation is easy for everybody. You know sometimes you don't feel that secure in waiting rooms like you get sick or whatever and It in and I know they've been doing this for a while but I think If we really embrace this I think there's a lot of technology where doctors can diagnose you over video being able to take your blood pressure remotely that type of thing doing even deeper diagnoses. That sort of thing that to me is a plus you know all the zooming and business until area all the families zooming face timing makes you realize I think people realize I never thought to my family my. Why haven't I done this before? Because we always put our family to the side in so many ways. This is a good thing you know having the family talk on zoom that kind of stuff. This is such a revelation to how much I mean personally how much we kind of ignore family and take it for granted guys if anything if this thing has taught us to be grateful for the families that we have good in bed all families upwards not saying to be grateful for our great families. You know we all have our our issues you know m whatever it is whatever you have but here's the key if you wanna stay positive. This is my tip to just staying positive because I think it really is important to try to stay positive and I don't mean bullshit positive like trying to trick yourself that you're positive. I think it's the things that you that you choose to focus on is. This is something I've tried to use for a long time. Not just now. And it's the simplest thing in the world finds something in your life doesn't matter what it is. It might be family. It might be your current situation. It might be a pet. It might be anything it can be the smallest thing. Find something to be grateful for and by the way if it's your health that is one of the big ones you know. Find something to be grateful for us that feeling of gratitude to feel your stable being. You'll go through tough times. Some things will be harder some people than for others. I feel like we're all in this together. Man When I see people just die from this thing. Poo that stuff hits me really hard especially you know. I don't know it just really hits me hurt but there's always something in all of this that we can find everybody. Has something different that everybody has the same thing? If you can find something you can be grateful for. That can be your fuel for wellbeing. That's okay so like I said I'll be trying to have some different ideas for guests in that type of thing. Maybe do some different things. I'm still in my house of course but I hope enjoyed this conversation with Ed. Gordon have A month ago. He's really great and Data Stacey all right. Welcome back guys As I promised this man of it my for a long time. He's been on your TV for a couple of decades. I can say Bosa three Costa Three Damn you know. He's one of those people like to say who's hiding in plain sight if you will love but Weekly Gordon you may have seen him he's been in bt for years and sixty minutes. He's he's done all kinds of things out there and he's he's been the man with the news and he has a new book conversations and black which we want to talk about to Ed Gordon. Welcome back on the BRO. I appreciate you being you know my pleasure and and we would just saying off air all these years. We've not face to face so crazy and I've been a fan along same Hemi Nice. Watch you all the time. I always you know you were in that. Traditional tradition of the news. Mary somebody who you you had instant gravitas. I felt you know when you're on the air. I really liked that about. I appreciate that and yeah considering that was two votes from clown. That's always kind of say. Yeah that's always gotta worked. So let's start with that you know. Now you're from Detroit. How did you get into wanting did you want to Be Journalists Coruna? Initially I wanted to be a lawyer thought Was Your family in now. My family educators teachers and I thought you know like many of us you've watched L. A. Law or Perry Mason casts. Were always solving right. Handed an hour right. You got to. You got to be in charge of something safe. I thought that was cool and then when I went in there wasn't a lot of us on T. There was not well. It wasn't a lot of us on TV periods. Actually right in the sixties and seventies but for me. I always kinda played with being on the air. I'd be at the lunch table in junior high school literally. Pretended like I was newscaster. But it wasn't a dream man. I I like most kids. My Age thought I'd be Julius erving Bruce Lee or somebody like that man. Yeah Yeah. Forget about an actor. Yeah absolutely absolutely so one of my professors said to me that he thought I'd be good at this taken. The LSAT didn't have a job. When I graduated buddy of mine who later became a police chief Tim. I went to Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo Michigan. Yeah in now and We were out in front of his mother's house. This was our job throwing the baseball For a full summer man we get up. We dedicated on that baseball. And I I said to him dude if we don't do something this is what we're going to be doing for the next twenty years or so and so my brother's ex girlfriend who wasn't talking to him but she still liked me worked the public broadcasting affiliate in Detroit. She got me in as an intern and it went from there. Wow and you you kinda gotten to be T- door pretty early on your career. Yeah I have had a very unconventional career. I didn't work in a small market. I worked in Detroit. The brother who was hosting the show that I was producing for. They were giving me a shot to do. My first story on the air and again was very green. Didn't really know what I was doing. He didn't show up one ninety at Lemnos problem and and they needed a host to take over the show and I was it And so from that point on I started hosting the show in Detroit and a friend of mine. Who did you naturally? Kinda just row with that or we. I had a lot of help man I to this day. Thank those people at that public broadcasting affiliate in Detroit who nurtured me. Who saw something in me? You know? We always talk about. We owe it to young people but I mean they made my career. I I wasn't I was nervous. I wasn't all back great. You know but they saw something in me. They said we'll take this little knucklehead. You know see what we can do and I was a young punk. I thought I knew every place right. I didn't know anything but they really really took me under their wings. In fact My mentor there. Was John Weatherspoon spoons. Brother Kato weatherspoon. Now look funny. Because they've got a bunch of brothers and siblings and so John Witherspoon had just passed away and so for me. I all throughout had people like that taking me under their wing. Seeing something in me The sister who was a camera person in Detroit who was a hustler she called. Bt and said we want to start doing Your news stories out of Detroit for bt news which was fledgling at that time. Yeah and most of the videos. Yeah Yeah and so. They started the news but they were looking for freelancers. We started doing their stories out. Detroit I flew up on mown down one time met the People. I've been dealing with only on the phone and said hey if ever you're looking for new anchor. I'm your guy and there. It was as you just put it out there. Yeah Yeah do you remember what your first big story was silently the thing that you feel really kind of defying. You were gone You know it was. It's funny because I really felt that in Detroit before I even got to be team. I tell people who you know. Say to me man. You've talked to all these great people and you know were you ever nervous. I grew up cutting my teeth on the Mayor of Detroit. Coleman young was an irascible brother who was in charge and let you know it and he took me under his wing as well and so I felt like once I got past young man. I could do anybody well see. That's those old school days. They weren't kidding around how they were not and they ran that city. You know right with an iron fist and so but again here was a black man who saw something in me. I gave me opportunity when he would invite the big anchors in Detroit. He would invite me nice so I mean I. Johnny Cochran was a mentor of mine over the years. Ron Brown Ron Brown former DNC chair. And I mean I've just been blessed along the way to have people kind of see something in me and kind of guide me in the right direction and From that that gives you more national prominence. Well what was the first big show that you did then for for beating so I I mean it was bt news. I STARTED AS THEIR DETROIT CORRESPONDENT. And he did it from. Detroit right Did the stories from Detroit. When I became the anchor we did it from Washington. Dc Time Yeah and so they hired me on And you know we. We grew. It was a fight because it was an entertainment network right but Bob Johnson understood the importance of having a news division for his network he understood the power. He would have quite frankly personally to have a news. Division of versus just having an entertainment network at James Gravitas to him gave a platform to politicians when he needed something from them and so his Bloomberg editor in a real sense and a real sense. And so for me. Just anchoring that news and and now I get the gravity of what it was at that time. I didn't then you know because I have people who literally grew up with me watching me on the news saying to be man. I never wash news until you were on who we really believe that you are Walter cronkite and I used to shy away from that and say yeah. Yeah Yeah but I I as I've grown older and grayer you can appreciate things. Yeah and so. It means a lot to me to still in some ways be relevant. Still out here still doing. And so you know when people throw you know tags of Legend your way or things like that you know who you are and you're like no you're not bad. Yeah but you're appreciative that you're seeing in a certain light. Well it significant that when you hold a certain position especially when you're one of the first you know and you know it's funny because when I think of you I think well you know there is the thing we're old enough to remember. There is a lane of black journalism than a of people. Don't remember the Chicago Defender. Right the sentinel. Some of these publications were black. Had to get their news and it seems like what you did at bt was almost kind of a bridge between that and the modern way where people kinda got their news like a lot of young people gathering and some John Stewart. Right the daily show. You know people get their news. I think in different portals. Now if you're conservative you're GonNa Watch Fox liberal is GonNa Watch. Msnbc but yours is kind of a bridge. The past in some ways did you. Ever think of that as as you're servicing that or you're servicing something else now I really I used to tell it seemed like it was this. Something was something else right because I used to. I used to tell Bob Johnson and and the people that ran the network look man. We can't compete with CNN. We don't have the dollars to do that. So what I said was if CNN is your stake let bt newsbeat the potato to your steak so you'll have the full at the great not great at my office but You know I really felt like we could augment and fill in the gaps where white networks weren't telling you certain things and was that from an ideological perspective or cultural perspective both Both and you know I knew what was authentic in our community. And what wasn't being told for instance you know or or glossed over or not covered at all so I knew we had elaine. I knew it was important. I also knew that the persona I had to give had to have some sense of authority and Gravitas to it. Even though I'm not that dude at all right everybody meets me and they straighten up and they're very serious not even close to read. I've got I've got buddies. Who sound know who that and word is on the Air You could say it on my. She is the president. But you know I mean. That's because I defy people in in a real sense the my mother used to say you know. I'm too big of an right. So you know you don't come from Detroit and not understand certain dinesh values and so but I understood what I had to be to be able to walk in a room right next to. Yeah Coppell or be next to Peter Jennings or you know whomever was Tom. Brokaw and be taken seriously. Yeah there is the old saying close. Make them in. I think for many African Americans. It's our demeanor. Was the same thing as that. You know in some ways especially to get that first level of respect right but I also knew it was important for me not to Whitewash. My demeanor too much for exactly the manner. The stories that you're telling him that you've ever did that. I didn't I didn't but it was conscious right so the clothes I wore Were little slicker than most anchors war dollars because again that was part of me was part of detroiters so I wanted to be as authentic as possible but I knew how to color it so to speak right so when Winter White House I wouldn't wear the Steve Harvey Soup but if I went and talked to an entertainer I might give a little bit of Flair to what I was doing. So you are consciously aware of that. You're doing that on purpose. Absolutely that's interesting. 'cause yeah there was that world of member back in the day. Arsenio Kinda represented that portal to this different culture. That will try. That people didn't get through the tonight show. That's right and that sort of thing and back then. Did you have guests on your show purpose for that type of thing like the people who you interviewed or or was it more? I WANNA be talking to the same people. W- what was great about my career and continues to be is that I was able to play in different corners So I had the hard news corner had the entertainment corner. I talked to sports figures and that was important to me because while I follow politics I wasn't wonky political junkie in that sense so that would've bored me. If that was the only thing I did. I love pop culture. I love music so all of these things were important to me. Which is why I created conversations with Ed Gordon and those were the special really that brought me to national prominence. Because I was starting to be Barbara Walters and others and big interviews and we were breaking news and eventually you know it became Oj and then the puck interview on the arm Kelly interview and on and on and on. But you know we started very early doing conversations quarterly special and back then talking about young people now. Black people are covered on entertainment tonight and access Hollywood and anybody will talk to them on the morning shows and you know One on one special. That was not the case in the early nineties late. I remember people have no idea how things that I was. Lucky to be nominated for an emmy very early in my career in the early nineties and They used to have this is absolute truth. They have I think they call it. The Friends of the Black Emmy Nominees Dinner I. We're about to go and give a speech because they thought that black people were not gonNa win the Emmy because stacked against us Ito and you had the chance to be to give. Thanks and stuff like that. I remember talk. I've stat mixed in Adderley co-leader. We're talking about this in everything but you know. I'm not sure that those things shouldn't continue right as you look. At the question of diversity now remember they had the Black Oscars back in the day. Yeah because we weren't being nominated at all so they just created a dinner here. I don't know why Ebony exists. You know if there was a life magazine which really should have been called white life so everybody had to come around to show the edge rules right which continue but again the luster that the image awards gets. Monique said something to me. One day during an interview that I greatly. You're right about them. George that was a direct clapback at the emmys. You have some of those awards. I'm sorry no she said to me while it was fantastic winning an Oscar I would never give it back the first time. I won an image award. That was when I was most proud of what I was doing. Because it was from my people it was the show I washed when I could see people who looked like me. And so the whole question of diversity and awards. I think we ought to start taking a harder. Look at how those given out what they really mean. If I'm an actor I understand the importance of an Oscar for my career and my asked a negotiating table before the rest of us. You know we. We need to start asking. Does it really matter that a wide organization? It says that we're great and deserving of I think we put too much credence in that other than the business side that I understand. You know if Omari hardwick never wins an emmy for ghost. Does that mean that that character is a marvellous television character. Yeah it's it's an interesting thing because I've always felt that many times. It's not what people would think of racism that keeps. I'll I'll say black because I think for us. It's a little different in early out of contention for things in that kind of thing to me. It's invisibility that's exactly right. You know that you just not on the radar you know. People don't relate to you in the same way so there has to be something extraordinary about what you do. That piques people's interest and then he played a slave. That's fantastic or when they used to say. Oh Bet TV. What is that that they had no idea was? At Black Entertainment Television on the question of why is it going to be called black? I said because they're not brave enough to call. Cbs Caucasian Broadcasting System. Exactly yeah or NBC. Nothing buck okay. Yeah I used to come back man. I think I was quoted in. I don't know if I was quoted about this but I used to get real salty about when Upn AND WB came about. They were put all the black hills over there to start the networks and the networks. You know we're getting so whitewash announced like what is this a nickel night at all over here. You know it's funny. How the ability of -bility factor to me is the biggest thing but I will say having a stake in this. I do think it is getting better. Even though there are a lot of cries and everything in terms of the importance of having your. Here's Apologetic because what it is people have to remember. This is a peer reviewed thing. It is unlike some hollowed body. Ivory everytown peers and the peers are changing so there is different meaning for the EMMYS now than it used to be. Yeah there is an Emmy Awards. You know literally. We've made some surprise. I mean in the book. We have a chapter called the Medina Dilemma. And we take a look at black representation in the media and news in the whole question of stereotyping and what we owe one another as African Americans and I think what we're seeing is but we've seen these kind of blips on the radar screen before when we thought we were in fact kind of kicking the door in a little wider. A little wider. And then we started to see close again. I do think the model whether you like his art or not tyler. Perry has put out in terms of Jewish ownership is ultimately the way to go but it isn't realistic for most people because they don't have the business accurate and we never have the knowledge to start. This is a very very expensive industry. It'd be a part of an and that's a barrier for most people. Yeah I feel. It's a Combo platter once again like for me. From my perspective there needs to be more people of Color in the executive at the networks and that sort of thing who are making those overall type of decisions you know as well as in the ranks behind the scene tonight. Because I've been behind the scenes somewhere. Hire people behind the scenes. That you know doesn't go notice that but it makes a difference over year but unfortunately we've seen a decrease particularly on the news side of those executives. Those people that make the ultimate decision is. Why do you think that's happening? News I think. News has downsized just across the board and As an industry and nothing has changed with the last hired first fired piece and I think news has found a way to give an jest enough black faces in front of the camera Kind of people by the rioters down over there swimming. But the truth of the matter is as we've seen I just left Jemele hill former Espn ANCHOR AT. We saw. What happened over there right? And you know ultimately Even though Stephen a Smith made a great rebound when Stephen got too big for his Britches some years ago they spanked him and so this sense of being able to really call the shots and keep people quiet is a way. It's window dressing to agree. And that's what they've been able to do you. Give Joy Reid a show on Saturday and Sunday gift. Sharpton his show on the weekend. You know you let Don Lemon out at night and then you know didn't mean that so I mean you know that's what they do and that's no slight to any of those folklore air no slight to any of those folk on the air but part of why. I never went back. I got offers but I was tired of and again I'm generalizing but a twenty two year old white producer telling me what's the story should be about my community and I was one of those rabble rouses from day one anyway right from Jones Lang because even at the correspondents dinner that I did I called. Msnbc significant number blackmore's those right before they put Georgia. But it's still the fire. Melissa headaches battle to rearrange and joy has kept it real but we have to exchange black balance. You know the network might tip over. You'd have to make sure that you keep black people the number imbalance I found out at NBC That they were having a meeting of executives and they were reviewing the new talent And they were talking about me and one of the guys that yeah you know. He's good. He's really good. He's a natural but I think he's too much like Gumbel. He'll he'll speak up too much to inside. Gumbo you'll speak up too much because you know for as much as Bryant had a rap of all. He's a tom or he may not be. That was he was not bad at all. That's not I mean Bryant. Just he he didn't wear it on a sleep but he was a fighter internally. Yeah those are some of the Muslim. They didn't want them to some of the most unfair accusations. Gumbo Brand Gumbel needs to be reassessed by his own community. By the way you know it was in at all. I think it was all predicated. Only on the way that he spoke. That's because he didn't have some baritone voice out you know dropping his infinitives or whatever it is you know you know he That was just his way of speaking. You know but Bryant Gumbel was fantastic and by the way absolutely was the leader in the ratings for years and was paired with a white woman in the morning or American reflector from standing in a room of his peers. Saying I'm the smartest guy in the room and having come from sports to do. That's exactly what you were. It was okay but you know brother in sports right. Yeah you can be an expert in that but he said no motherfuckers. I'm talking I'm going to go and visit the pope. I'M GONNA talk to everybody and I made the today show go to Africa when they had been to every other continent and so as I looked at things like that and I heard things like that. He wasn't giving me a compliment. Like we got another Gumbel. This great it was. We might have a black man. Who's going to say too much? Okay I live with that that would you want to be like Edis God even as I say this my throwing up in my mouth. You is there any kind of other you might want to be other than where you are right now in terms of reaching a different type of audience. Have you thought of not really? I mean I'm into trying to make sure that everything I do has a bit of ownership to it for me got You know I'll be sixty next birthday so you know thank you. I'm past some of those things. If you ask people will ask me. What do you think you you should have been given this show or that show? I'm human there. Were Times where I felt like. I'm better than that guy. You just that seat to it a network you know. I've had a better career than that person but I never get angry about it. I didn't get bitter about it. I you know sometimes. It's timing sometimes as any number of things and if I look at my career I've had a great career. I've talked to amazing people. I've had some you know headline making interview so what I really have to complain about at the end of the day. Could I've been given a seat here? This anchor chair there. Yeah probably did I deserve it with US? Objective? So you know. I'm happy with my life at the end of the day. When you see someone like Lester Holt for example? Do you think that's a a good achievement for a black anchors in America although I feel I'm a little salty about a little bit because I feel it comes at a time when that role is reducing them? I think Lester I think that those kinds of lighthouse positions aren't the same seems to right when it's Dan. I think is still great to have an African American male in particular knows like two females but brothers need that kind of thing image to look to. I think he's great and his great that he's here every night for people to tune into Is it the same as when Max Robinson did it or when Ryan took over the today show who knows? I can't remember thirty. Shaw and Bernard Shaw. Forget about burning. Yeah and so two trailblazer. Yeah or ED Bradley Yeah rallies fantastic classmates not not the same thing any longer but you know. Positions tend to diminish over years and achievements. You know the first black this. I'm amazed we still talk about the first black. Whatever you know fill in the blank but to a great degree you know. We have made achievement enough where that first black whatever it may be saved. The presidency isn't quite the same as it meant in the sixties and the seventies and the eighties interesting. Because you mentioned Max I was forgot about Max rooms and at the time backs Robinson and then you think about Brian Gumbo at the same time. You had big reports Carole. Simpson you know ABC News. You know it felt like blacks are starting to make an inroad into that lane you know. And there was the ninety s all you. Kinda have was Bernard Shaw in terms of that national profile. Kinda Carlson is on UNSUNG HERO. Is She was? When I was another one I should. Who did the weekend news for? Abc was phenomenal her presence addictions intense. You know she was such a poised woman on the air and so you know there again but that was one of those okay. We gave one right one. And you got excited or you know. If you think about at one point you had gumbel and Max Robinson and Bernie Shaw and Ed Bradley. And you're sitting here thinking okay. Here we go. It seem like they really get people after that. They had a few correspondents here and there. Emory KING NBC. I mean there were people out there but it wasn't that same kind of train rush. We had hoped for that. You know a bunch of people could hop on the locomotive and get to the top. We didn't see that in the same way. Yeah it seems like The morning shows. Kinda have you know. I guess they have Diversities right where the there doesn't seem to be that one person who stands out to me as you know the way that Gumbel did maybe they're positioning Gayle King and CVS. Thank Robin Roberts Roberts. Okay Yeah Robin. She's been there for me for a long time. And I think you know if you if you look at the comparison to Stephanopoulos for that show. I'd say she's equal to George on that show George have certain political circles and he has another a platform but I would say that she could certainly say she is. You know One of two. Who are the the front runners that show I think gail is positioned say the last So of of her fiasco there you know to be the lead Anchored there Ho Copy is is there but I think the today show was turned into something very interesting. I'm not really sure what better so. Yeah well they've had a lot of problems you know for a lot of different reasons Over there we. Do you put Oprah in this home mix. You know who is kind of in her own lane? Is You know she kind of filled that Phil Donahue kind of in the beginning and kind of created a whole different lane war for the type of what I mean by this is who is the black person. I'll say black person is supposed to person that we're trusting right now who's going to give us this That's listening is interesting. Because that's one of the things that you know people say to me and again I don't take lightly that may say Ed we when you are on. You told us we listened and there was a bit of okay. This is gotta be right. 'cause Edison xactly right I didn't think you were bias. In the way that we get biases and I worked. Hard at damage was from that old school. They knew they didn't question is he? Is He black enough now? That wasn't the question. It was just that okay. He's going to walk that lane and give us the facts and now and go from there. I don't know I wouldn't even put Oprah in that category I you know because as we found out recently oprah in some corners rub some black folk the wrong way and they don't see her as that trusted black voice. You know. I Know Roland has tried to do that. But Roland. Martin's delivery of the news doesn't always give that sense of Gravitas to some people he worked MINNEA- Scott Total. Now whether you can't it's not nineteen seventy eight so you know but but rowlands been trying to be front and center I think lottery. Entrepreneurial he is. He is absolutely and the way to go. I mean and and a lot of credit in the best sense of Hustler Rolling Hustler will roll. Up Is Leeann does does not but I think that you know always we always laugh. 'cause we're together a lot at different events and all and so people will come up to us and say. I'll be great if the two of you show and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Because that would give us the balance and I always say you know. Rollings your crazy uncle at the barbecue. And I'm the sage uncle. You WanNa come get some advice. That's how you present wrongly wrongly. But that's how you but you know it's interesting because I don't know that we have that I mean you know for years. It was black radio but now we're starting joyner has retired and I don't think Steve Harvey every right so it's interesting. I don't know that we have that anymore. Yeah sadly what role do you think the N. A. B. J. National Association Black Journalists? Do you think that's an organization will a lot of people don't even know about this organization? You know yeah I think they lost their way ally ask him out. I think when it was initiated it was to really fine ways to Find stronger roles for African Americans more jobs etc but again it goes back to that first. You're right the first. The first the first breaking I think recently. They've tried to find that muscle again when they push back against CNN for not having black correspondents covering the elections and things of that nature. I think a lot of our organizations against something we talk about in the book in terms of leadership have reached a apex that they're really not sure how to get to the next level. You know we. We've kind of bumping our heads against that ceiling. The things that we did in the sixties and seventies and early eighties Gaddis to appoint and I think a lot of these organizations whether they be civil rights or well meaning like in a Bj have kind of plateaued and are trying to figure out. How do we get past this moment? how to. How do we get some of that? Power back how do we make sure that you know? We don't just become a paycheck away from a corporation walking away from us and then eliminating our organizations altogether because one of the things we address in the book with Black Leadership Is. Could you survive without corporate support? Most of them even though they they'd be hard pressed to really admit that we do get into it in the book would be hard pressed to survive without corporate support. Let's talk about the bug so conversations in back you know that I have every week back Tell me what is the book? Where did this come from? Why do you want to have conversations in black so I got the idea in twenty twelve? I started it. I I thought about all the great conversations I've had with people and how often the conversations once the cameras red light goes off really intriguing and interesting share. The facade goes down. Mpaa really Kinda talk to you. I said well how could I do that? And share it with the world so to speak I said man. Wouldn't it be great to if I could get all of these people in one room But with the book is like a hot bank like a hot might And I had hoped in twenty twelve to start it with a group of leaders and influencers income. Trayvon had just been killed bomb. You know into his second term a lot going on at that time. Bill Cosby was one of the people I talked to because I I started. The book then was on when you did not drink nothing. But you know Cosby was in the midst of his pushback against the community so to speak So there are a lot of people that we were talking to. I got a television project. I had to put it down so within that eight years that I put it down and then started it again Trayvon Martin was no longer the only iconic figure that had been killed in resonated with us for police brutality. We saw Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Sandra Blanton Mir Rice names go on and on my Angelo. Who I had interviewed for. The book was no longer with us. Cosby obviously is You know in circumstance. He finds himself in and so. I said the ideas too good not to do so what I did is. I got forty plus of our biggest influencers and leaders today from all different corners. So I've talked to literally people like maxine waters or including maxine waters. Stacey Abrams Eric holder than we got d. l. hughley TI killer. Mike Angelo. Ri- Harry Belafonte. I mean the list goes on and on Michael Steele former chair of the Republican Party share We've got April rain who started Oscar. So White We got Ms Burke who started The metoo movement so I wanted to get a broad spectrum of African Americans and what I did is I interviewed all of them. Some of the usual suspects to Sharpton and Marc morial. I interviewed all of them. And then the book reads as if we were all in the same room lessons so reads as a conversation so each chapter is a different topic. Oh I see so you choose a different topic and you have people into person their take on it exactly. That's real interesting. Yeah so what are some of the topics that you come so The first topic state of Black America and I just wanted to get people's idea of where we are and Michael. Eric Dyson one of the people in the book. And he says it's up the whole book. He was the longest transcript But but we talk about the state of Black American where I find ourselves but we have a reflection of the Obama us. We look at the trump years. We look at the political muscle of Twenty Twenty. And what that means. We have a chapter on black girl magic and and where black women are. Today we have the chapter on the Medina Dilemma. Looking at black images in the media. We take a look at the news media and how we are portrayed in that we have a chapter call them I black enough for you looking at the authenticity of being black. And who gives you your black card and all of that and so we look at education and and The wealth gap that continues to grow in this country. We continue to be left behind. You know we're fooled by the fact that we see five or ten or one hundred black people doing very very well but I hasten to Suggest to people. Many people found Robert Smith last year when he wiped away the debt for the graduating class of morehouse northbound out. That he's worth five billion dollars. Which is black person in America but then if you juxtaposed him to Jeff Bezos who still worth one hundred and twenty plus million after divorce you look at the wealth gap even at that level. It's tremendous and so there are many many issues that I think we need to take new narratives on and have new discussions and then the hope is that this book. Spurs you to Action. It's not enough just to talk about. I can't tell you how many town hall meetings. How many panels? I've been that. Were well meaning but never went anywhere You know a role in a few minutes ago role mart and I say we both do fewer panels and we used to but we used to tell them you know the organizations you need to come back in a year and find out what you did that was spawned from this panel right like in my business guys get sold when I see why people talking too much about we gotta do something about diversity and all that unlike new hire somebody that's going to do is hire somebody. You really don't have to have a conversation. You really just need to call personnel conversation. You need to have the personnel. That's right and start hiring the fact that in in in corporation we talk about this in the book whenever they have diversity training is always black people in complete never white people in. You got the wrong people in. Here's yes we understand the dynamic problems right. Go get a white middle manager. Who doesn't know the name of all five of his black employment when I you know. Was I running shows and stuff in the president there. I mean that crises have asked friends. 'cause ME ALONE. I have more than friends. Frasier Seinfeld shows they have zero. They asked me when we were doing. Oj Simpson could. I be objective as a black reporter talking to OJ Simpson. Did you ask Barbara? Walters was she objective when she talked to mark Furman. No you didn't ask her that. Don't ask me that why. Why do you assume because I'm black? I can't be fair when you never ever asked my folks that yeah but they're not wrong. Come on now. Now what is your What is your feeling about the Obama years or is there some extrapolation from the conversations that you've got out of that that maybe odds with your feelings about it? Most people felt the same way. Some were more critical than others though. Most were not critical in general. But I think for me I look at it to say that he figured out the combination. I thought I would die and never see a black president right. I remember flying to Chicago and this is in the book. I remember flying to Chicago. Two or three weeks before he was going to make because announcement but the rumbles were there and knew he was shooting to go to the land of Lincoln and when he was going to ring right make the announcement that he's going to run and I remember sitting across from him as I am with you now And asking him I said you know Senator is. We knew each other a little bit. We'd been on the phone before and here and there but I didn't know him. Well I said senator you know there are rumors they you're looking at running for the highest office in the land. I know you tell me today. But give me a sense of what you're thinking well ed or nitty began to go his Obama. And you now people talk to you and you're not really listening and that's what I was doing. I was like yeah. Whatever man. Just don't embarrass US Bra? Cause you ain't winning this thing but you know you go out there and that's what I'm thinking in my head you get a chance. I didn't think I didn't think the country was ready. I did not not that. He wasn't ready. He certainly was impressive. I mean you know the moment you met him. You're like this this dues impressive show. So it wasn't about him. It was about the country but he figured it out and so you know history was made that day the day that he was inaugurated or elected you know his history was set in terms of the presidency. You know I mean. He faced the kind of obstruction. No other president prior to that has ever faced by that being said while I love the image of his family. They're all of what that meant to us as a people and I'm talking about Americans who are well thinking in fair. Not just black folk. I also believe politically he did not do enough for African Americans including the obstruction understood what he would face right. But as you say but mullets isn't quid. Pro Quo. Rattlers PRESIDENT IS GONNA face that to some extent right but if I give you ninety five plus ninety whatever the percentage was I'm particularly in the second term. GimMe Something Dot. GimMe something for that. Go out on a limb from me. Yeah people hoping that the like joked about it was Obama's whiteside governed in the I I maybe his black side. We've ever did the second for years. Either we're waiting for the Black Obama to come out of where we saw him. Come out every blue moon but it wasn't legislatively. It was singing green it. Was You know being compassionate? And Reverend Pinckney's funeral it was all of those things that like the equivalent of virtue signaling in some way yes you know almost culture signaling but but you're absolutely right. There was a disconnect. And you know you could argue many presidents when you look at the president said actually did something for the black community directly in. I'm trying to remember what the last can you remember. What the last thing. That was a direct saying the black community definitely needs this as president. I'm doing it. I don't remember it because I was only about eight or nine years old but people that I respect and you know no history talk about what Nixon did you know for enterprise zones in businesses and alive and affirmative action and so it's ironic that Nixon irony and I'm sure there's some things that we're forgetting but in terms of just monumental legislation that really affected a large group of African American fine legislation that hits two or three middle-class black folk and helps us or maybe you know brings poverty stricken folk to less poverty but they're still impoverished but In the crime bill arguably had the opposite effect. That's and that's exactly the intended to actually help a lot of poor black areas that were real crime like the. I've felt the intentions. Were good because a lot of the crime bill. A lot of that came from the black community leaders asking for somehow and the irony is some of the legislation that Bill Clinton who some people you know I never. I never did the black I. I thought he was comfortable around. Like I thought it was playing the Sax on our cy young but I think if the black people fi who are truly comfortable around us we'd love them right. We'd love Tina Marie right at the hotel you know. She was just coastal views fantastic. What's his name? Gary Owens comedian. I mean you know. There are certain people were cool with. Were not matter comfortable right. They don't need another white person in the room to feel. So that was Bill Clinton but legislatively. You know George. Bush had hire people in his cabinet to more important positions. Bill Clinton did absolutely so. We've got to become more educated in not just excited. Somebody invites us to the White House. Christmas party or the Rose Garden. Yeah Yeah I'm one of those people I'm not a partisan when it comes to that type of thing acknowledged the importance of Powell and Rice. You know in in what Bush did. Like to me on my. Hey any ways. We can make progress right. I don't care which President doesn't ride beyond city. I mean acknowledged the even though I'm very anti trump and you know I wanna see him knock your elected. I acknowledge what he did. In criminal justice you know and some of those things he actually. I think that's one of the genuine things. He actually cares about that issue because the people who mean something to them have brought it to him. You know it's one of those non political issues with him you know. I don't know the only thing that I would say to that is. I don't think he has a genuine bone in his body. I really don't well. That's true but I do think that he listens to certain p yes that I am because Ivanko cared about that issue. Yes that he to you. You mentioned when we started you know my kind of old school journalistic road that I've travelled and being very kind of down the middle and non letting you know what my opinion is this the first time with this man and White House ever said. I don't give a shit about that. He's he is incompetent. He should not hold that position. And it's dangerous dangerous. We talk about a generational and this is what. I keep telling people because I'm not enamored with the democratic choices This election but I keep reminding people. Trump told us the other day when he had a press conference I'M GONNA get reelected and were appointed these federal judges and we got a lot more in the pipeline right. Those are people who are affecting you your children and your grandchildren absolutely. It's frightening it's frightening. It's a quiet conservative agenda. Bennis making his way through this country and we're asleep on that because we keep looking at the wizard. But he's an idiot these other people. That are not Eddie Attic. Let's Mitch McConnell Editor Dangerous. I don't think it's that quiet. I mean there's What is one hundred ninety five judges? He's gone through in the federal court and it's kind of insane is there any? What is your take him. Biden. I'd like the Bagman is like well. Just gotTa wait for the Black Boat because I got all these black. We were going to vote for me because it doesn't work like that. I think Joe missed his window and God bless him Two Thousand Sixteen. Yeah Yeah God bless him. We know what he was struggling with with the sun absolutely and decided not to run but I think that was your window just like I think develop Patrick who I like. A lot should have run in two thousand sixteen just to get his name out nationally right and then run again and now to enter so late now having people have any idea who he as soon as you said. That name people are listening to said. Hello who exactly right. And he is an extraordinary intellect. Yeah he is a many fronts. You know the same person As an end maybe a bit more understanding because Barack Obama had such an atypical life Devolve Patrick may be even more understanding than Barack Obama with some of the ills and problems that in the everyday African American suffers through. I think Obama brought a lot of his rhetoric actually during a two thousand eight. I think he took me from development when he's running Massachusetts or whatever. Do you think we can have another black president or do you think as Bill Maher joked? Obama was the last black president. I don't think he'll be necessarily the last. But I think it's like Kademi award so you had had mcdaniel and then black folk than win for longtime then Sidney Poitier one then black folk didn't win for a long time and so I think that is what will happen. I don't necessarily think we're going to see. I wouldn't be shocked necessarily but I would not be shocked if we don't see one for another five or six elections Comma Harris didn't registering the way a lot of people thought she might You know and it's not enough just to say is black people. Will we deserve a blackbird? Well we deserve someone who is looking out after our best interests. They don't have to be black. It's a plus if they're black but Lyndon Johnson started his career as a Dixie Creek. That's exactly right now. And that's exactly right civil rights but he was. He was politically pragmatic commonly understood. What had that wasn't altruism. I mean I think he got a better understanding Democrats and Republicans. 'cause exactly right so you know for me. I think it's just a question of getting the right black person there you know because as black people is always the black tax and they're always these nuances we have to have Comma Harris. Had she been darker would black folk have been embraced her a little quicker than than we did or would it have been the same outcome? Have Michelle Obama Been Light with Barack Obama? Be As beloved because I mean but there's some reality to that right. Yeah I I think in terms of leader joke that looked. I've over bound because his black you know I mean that was good enough for me. The fact that I agree with him was a bonus Brady knows is is concerned by said but the next brother to come you better have something you know and I think even though I joked about that I think is a different level of scrutiny. Because there's not a novelty factor anymore raking barrier. And so who are you speaking to? What are you bringing to the table? That's GonNa distinguish you and I think The cultural issues to me. The racial cultural issues. Don't have the same kind of weight that they used to as much as as the left right issues do you know. And even the Party itself is dealing with its pull tort progressivism in moderation more than servicing. I think these factions of the party. Right that's what we also have to. Achieving young blacks to who are more interested in progressivism in terms of of helping black than just that issue I try to they want to do through progressive means and we have to make sure though that we control the narrative. I find it interesting that they have all these polls about black folk not liking a Buddha judge and things. We don't know him. I don't know of any black people. That simply don't like him because he's gay or just don't like him but yet the postal you're only polling one percent or two percent. Well nobody knows him and I think if he goes and speaks the black people. Those numbers will increase you. Know there's a question of blacks and homophobia but the entire black community is not homophobic. There is factions of the black community. That aren't there any bigger or worse than that. We'd find in the majority community. You know we're allowing the news to paint that picture for us that you know black. America doesn't like Pete boot `age I feel like they don't know the due at all. We'll Gary Indiana small town. Mayor don't know who he is you got to find out. Who is you knew who sanders is. You know who by you know? They don't like style or either. I mean there are a lot of people that we don't register with but there's this kind of underplay of we don't like him and there's that black folk don't like homosexuality factor that's come into play there and it's interesting because you know go to church on Sunday and see. Who's leading your choir. We like Billy Porter enough interesting. I mean look. There's an alum. Here's the thing that I the thing I feel about that. Blacks traditionally have not quite been representative of the left. Even though they've been on the left my historical application of that is the host. Civil Rights Movement was ninety. Leftist movement is a human movement but it got caught up in the left because what piggybacked on it was the antiwar movement which was the leftist movement you know and people have completed the two civil rights movement his humanist movement. It's not a left right movement. Not at all. We've always been serving the rebels. We were always been combat is an absolutely correct. You know so so and I'm talking about very broadly. You know. Blacks group because blacks as group. Church was very important to them to blacks culturally. And there's a lot of things in the church that go with their whether we agree with that or not. You know the ramifications of that kind of religious conservatism. That definitely still there. But I think it's a broader problem than blacks. I think Buddha check does have a problem with it. I think people and I think the left is going to have to face this. That people aren't going to have a problem with the idea of gay but when they see two men stand together. They're going to have to reckon with how they really feel about. There's no question about. It's going to be a reckoning. There's no question about it. But that's America in American General America doesn't worry about it no. Yeah they don't. It's left. That is going to have to have direct. But it's interesting because you know you keep hearing about how he dealt with law enforcement in blacks in his none issue. But I don't hear those same people talk about Bloomberg Yeah and law enforcement in New York City. It's out there that stories out there but they don't say what everybody's talking about that year black people in New York talking about that because they lived under it and they saw what it was right and it's not enough just to say oop. Sorry my bad about stop and Frisk yet that that issue with Buddha Jig. I don't think he's going to be determining factor in getting the black folk. Because it's not A. It's not a big enough sample but I do agree with you. It would be difficult for America quite clearly to see that picture. I'm taking did you see the woman in Iowa on a second what? He's what a lot of things right. This is America this this. That's your voter. Yes America and this is a Democrat boaty way holiday. I won't so they actually have sex hair like she's learning. A gay means like she was going to Walmart and said I want to return this by receipt I would actually love to see Buttigieg at the head of the ticket just reason just to see how America we asked to that it would be. It'd be fast and the question for me is. Are you going to have to put an African American person of color in the number two slot? I don't know because to me. I think the left is overreacting to the loss. The last time and I think they're not gonNA tell us this allow begins. Say We can't handle on the 'cause people trump as I call it the blackening. I trump coming in his then. Blackening is it's a question because if you put someone like Stacey Abrams who floated a trials Abrahams in different categories. She would be that person who might in fact excited. Black electorate in a way that Comma Harris and cory booker did not and rat may combat those wild right wingers who ran a go and so that would be an interesting dynamic to see who would be the Best Combo platter of that do they. At the top of the. I don't know anybody that caught on the concern really resonating. That's what concerns me because if you look the last fifty years save Jimmy Carter right the only time. Democrats have one. You had a wildly charismatic person whether you like them or not. They were charismatic. Although at the top of the ticket Carter was charismatic or any I remember that smile different will but remember. His Divvy. Caught knowledge was he was interesting. He was unique. Yeah those against Gerald Ford who had those two comparing summer. That smile and Jessica was known as when he first came. So let me say they unless Louis Star charismatic. Yes right so let me change it with Reagan done speed fan but I don't I don't mean. Republicans Republicans are different animal but for Democrats. We liked that. And it's been only men so I'll say we'd like that guy when you walk in a room everybody stops so Clinton had it you know and we elected. Jfk had it and we elected him. Obama had we elected him You know and everybody else do caucus didn't have it. I mean you can go down the list. We just don't like that smart nerdy guy on the democratic side or grown Hillary. That's girls and that. Says she has some other issues though she's just. That whole campaign was a fiasco dumpster. Fire as they say. Oh man yeah so so many forensics. They need a whole political. Csi to really To what did you have a favorite chapter in her conversations with black one that you thought man. That chapter was amazing. You know that that one really Is is a reason why people should know what I think. Less of a chapter as it was just the cantor. That people came to the table with that. I appreciate it You know I mean to get this group of forty. People wasn't a daunting task. Even I knew most of them you know Was Not friendly with all of my enemies of Quainton with most sure but I I've held on to pretend you like sharp but What I appreciate. It was the candor. I don't think some of their responses would have been the same. Had I been sitting and doing this for television? I think you know slightly different. A bit more guarded. Yeah I did most of them on the phone you know. Some people were calling me from their cars and say I mean just to get in these people's calendar I mean that's Algebra even more casual. You'd think so more camping so yeah yeah I mean I can recall a couple of people literally you know. We've phone kept dropping because they were going in and out of Manhattan or you know up in the mountains or you know wherever they may have been in so And I think that was a trust factor. Everybody had with me and knowing that I was going to deliver it. And not change the tone and tenor of how we talked about it or what it was. I explained to them that I would be puzzled. Piecing together as if we were you know having a conversation. I had to be clear that the the delivery of what you gave me when I just imposed it to the next person's comment didn't change what you were saying or what they were saying meaning of it because it's kind of out of delicate in balance that's different and I told the publisher this. That's what you do when you do a news piece. So sixty minutes has to do that. I put a news piece. Together you have the transcript you learn. He puzzle piece it together and so in that respect. It was easy for me because I've been doing that for thirty but I was very careful in saying okay. The context in what you delivered that statement in does not change. When I marry it to this person's response that's great I've that actually kind of haven't been unintentionally. I'M SURE BUT HENRY LOUIS GATES. Very Mac show he came by and it was great having them there. And you know following me around and we talk for a long time. He put mean his one of his books. Conversations type thing But all the questions were missing in there and it was just married. It seems like I'm like why am I talking about that thing? You know but he asked me a question about that. It seems some of it seemed like I was just rambling on about something you know but you know nobody cares about that. That's just me cared about it. You know but there's context is important. It is I think about this when people like sports. This happens all the time where Lebron said that it added up. Well the truth. Is You ask a question? And he answered it many times. People ARE ANSWERING QUESTIONS. And many times the questions had the answer embedded in it and they want you to agree or disagree and they act like you made that statement you know and you gotta be really careful in terms of your intention and how the receiver gets that. I mean we saw that with the gayle king piece. Yeah right. I don't believe gaels intention was to not Kobe down or another black male or anything like that respect but maybe not the best vehicle to try to talk about that subject. Lisa you know if you were doing overview of his life. Yeah that's one thing. I'm stupid what she wanted to do. I understood and and all transparency. I've talked to her so understood what she was attempting to do But sometimes your intention doesn't come out the way or in the end result isn't what you had hoped for so I knew that that was a real possibility and I was. I tried my best. It'd be very very careful about how I put that together. Whoa congratulations are you out. On the tour I am out on the tour going City to city to city We did a piece in New York and Washington Sunny hosted from the view hosted me in New York in April Ryan Bite. House correspondent did a little nice reception for me in DC and heading now Will be in New York back to New York back to DC JERSEY PHILLY DETROIT. You know the changes to the tracks running. He came in here all dapper and everything Larry can I change his adidas. The real came out exactly. And it's so great having you here thanks you the best seller. Hopefully we'll see you soon in something we're working on something in you and I were talking about this before. We cut the Mike's on in this business and I don't even say a signed contract. I wait till you know you're really doing it day. One completely if Israel. I mean I've had contract sent to me signed and I'm getting ready to sign it back and they said hold on hold on so But we are working on something. A lot of people have come to me and said hey man you know we need you out here. We want you out here and and I'm not lost at desire to do something. So if it's the right vehicle. I'm GonNa do Awesome Ed Gordon conversations in black. Everybody he's out there. It's in the tracks run around America. Maybe you'll be stations in the no thanks.

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EPISODE 66 -- RANDY LAJOIE PART 2

The Down and Dirty Show

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EPISODE 66 -- RANDY LAJOIE PART 2

"Hello my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene. Volkov cast your source for all things NASCAR history presented by uh-huh q.. Where maintain excellence? Put your windshield right there. First Time I tried it and it was like the car stuff. I'm on our so I walk in. Hey Dr Ray rainy sit out and as I did I punched Buckshot. Really did I come out with a more calming. No sooner again line I hear Buckshot Gasa interns right so I guess jess catches my rear bumper and he drives head on into the fix that they NASCAR and all of us associated in any way. When that's forget it's passed today? We don't have any hi. I'm Steve Wade and my name is Rik. Houston and welcome to the scene. Bought podcast presented by Q.. Wear Steve Before we get started this week. I want to mention call Simmons who died last week after we had recorded the episode. Carl was a longtime NASCAR official. And I can't even tell you how many memories that I have of him and of our our time together in the Busch series he was part of some of my most memorable moments in the sport number one. He Rode Shotgun with me when I got to drive the second pace at homestead he was the regular second pace car driver coming off. Turn to Ron Horn today. Got Up alongside us on the outside and was really really close then going into turn three Buckshot Jones was on the inside of me and Steve. I could have literally hung my arm out the door of the pace car and touch the inside of buck shots in in these guys knew who is driving. Well I'm pretty sure they did. Because I believe Karl set me up call was the one that initiated that now now the kicker to the whole deal is that there was a lady and her daughter in the back seat to. VIP's that the track put in the pace car so we've got one car on outside side of us going down the backstretch in in turns three and four. You have bucks to the inside of us and the lady in the back seat as well sir. How long have you? You've been driving the pace car and I said this is my first day and I noticed it got really really quiet in the back seat. I believe you probably change color. Doc to pay or pay or pay oh well then of course. We talked about this when Sandy. EASTEP her son Joe my best friend from high school where on the podcast cast. Carl was the one that had driven sandy step around the track on the pace laps of the two thousand and two Busch series race at Daytona. And then one year stay. We were at the new the Nashville superspeedway outside of Nashville. And I went to Carl and I asked him if he would take my brother and Sandy and Joe and my son Richard around the track and the pace car And this was on a practice day. This was unqualified day. So the one whole lot going on and Carlson. Why don't have the time? He reached in his pocket in threw me the keys. Now he said you take them in the look on. My brother's face was like that's pretty cool and then we went out on the race track and I was driving the pace car and I can admit this now. Steve Slung the safety lights off the top of the pace pace car and they went dragging down. I had to basically put out the caution for myself to sell but finally probably probably the strongest memory that I have of Carl is the time it started raining at Watkins Glen and because I had never seen that race track in in person. You know because we're the press box is located on the inside of the front stretch. He actually took me out in the pace car while it was raining. And they were trying to drop the so we were on the track. Probably Stephen seems like an hour and we were just talking. Just might mean you chat right now me and crawl Simmons and to hear that he had died. I don't mind telling you got a little bit emotional. Because he is one of the guys that I just truly truly missed already you know not being around the sport as much as I once so my thoughts and my prayers are with his wife Kathy and that was a loss loss. I didn't know call like you did. But I do know that that he was one of the most popular officials in Nascar on the flip side of the coin. kind of that somber. Note to start off the podcast. We do have the second installment of my interview with Randy. He talks about the very serious issues that he had with team owner bill. Baumgartner going into nineteen ninety. Seven season he. He talks about some advice that he got on how to drive at Daytona from none other than Dell earnhardt and then Steve that year nineteen ninety seven that he won his second Second Busch Series Championship. That was my first year covering the Bush series. That was my first years Bush shoes editor and I have two of my most vivid memories of covering the sport number. One was a Finnish where he passed. Jeff Burton on the last lap at Darlington and then at South Boston and that was was just a coal memory and then finally he talks about. Buck Shot Joe wapping boy and that's a good one. That is a really really good now. The second segment. We're going to go back to the November Eighth Nineteen Ninety issue of Winston Cup saying that was the third Winston Cup race at Phoenix. And this one was won by Dale EARNHARDT and Steve. He didn't so much as win that rice as he just completely obliterated the rest of the field As they say it was a good old fashioned country back. Yeah that's one way to put it now. This was his sixth win of the season. And it put him atop stop they Winston Cup standings over Mark Martin going into the season finale and finally with this being an issue that came late in the year. There's a lot of silly. They season rumors on this issue. You emphasize the word rumors. Because what I think you're GonNa talk about never really had not a single one I ever not a single one of them ever happened now on Patriot. We have new Patriot support from Chris. Frazier who is is the very first person to get in on a new offer. That's absolutely going to blow everybody's doors off last week. Save you and I talked about the tracks six race cards that you are on just those legendary cards that you were on our went home. I checked on Ebay and purchased ten of your nut t ninety-one tracks rookie cards. Really Care where you spend and this morning before we started recording as I was was getting set up you signed all of these cards and there was a couple that you sign twice because one of them got smart. Yeah that that's a keep that that's the keepsake now the offer. Is this do ten dollars. A month on Patriarch on and you will get a grand national commemorative issue from Garland from. I'm Darlington you'll get to classic issues of Winston Cup Sane and you will get an autographed St Wade Rookie card a rick. We're trying to get eighteen dollars a sign up. I WANNA keep one of these bad boys for myself who I signed up for Patriot. And the answer is patriotic dot com slash podcast and you can take advantage of this. Just mind blowing offer. Well Ricca RICCA got a little bit overboard here but come on no. I haven't I certainly hope Steve Wade Card attract some folks. Sure enough the ten dollars a month and you'll get the grand national sane. You'll get the ones to got saints and you will get the rookie card. And it'd be like that and again you can do that at Patriotair dot com slash. The scene bought podcast. You get routed to do Iraq in nineteen ninety seven and in. preseason you show up at a test session at Daytona and you go to Dale Earnhardt for some help versus advice. What do you remember about that exchange like it was yesterday get? I wonder why Dale was there. I mean they had early morning practices at Daytona. And Marcus Nate. Marcus Dick trickle. Jim Sauter they drove the race cars that we raced but they had six cars that you could practice so I just want to just his. This is new to me. My Eyes Wide Open. I'm GONNA do this. Why get there right after Don Sun's just coming up? We're getting ready to go on a racetrack. A senior senior. Wow what are you doing here. He's not coming out here in the morning. He says We get to do stuff. That's fine so so there was a bunch of guys. I think Zanardi he was there and Jimmy Vasser was there so we're out there we're in these were getting. These guys are five for six of us. Well every car junior senior got in he would lead the pack now. I'm in the same car okay. He's in a red car I said but he's leading okay. I'll get that card. The next time the most I can do is fourth or fifth. You know how the heck no matter what car he was in. He always went to the front second. second-day sit down. What do you do this for why? He's so you learn something every time he's he's as you see vapor trails on East cars and it was cool because you the vapor trails because Iraq cars had Mir's on the side and a lot of wings and stuff so I said Yeah. Yeah he says put Your Windshield at the vapor trail he goes. There's one that comes off the left rear. He's on the inside. Is What on the left rear right in front of spoiler he goes. I need to get right again at the windshield. He says. Go to put your windshield chip. Right there okay. I'll try well first time. I tried it and I went to where that vapor trail was you can actually see it. Yeah uh-huh yeah. It was early morning. DEW was out so I put the I go to the vapor trail and it was like the car picked up on our RPM wise. I was I look in the mirror and there's nobody behind me and then I went through the one in a come off the mirror I was like. Are you kidding me because CD air. I'd say it he did that. Because you you seen where I left that car and if you got to your air cleaner boy you were going to Dickens. So I mean I learned a lot you know just by practice. You said Iraq is okay during the off season. Also things Kinda take a turn with bill. Baumgartner and you're pretty much which on completely different sides of the fence when the ninety seven season get started the way that I understood it. Bill had rented. You're building to use as the team aim shop and you couldn't quite come together on a price and from what I understand. You also wanted to renegotiate the contract. What actually was going on and and how far back had all that? Well I mean it was. I didn't know nothing about racing. I come from New England working for myself driver for myself so when Bill told me he was giving me seventy five thousand dollars salary because I signed me up so you know working for thirty grand and in my dad's junkyard huge race. Well through the course. You're kind of hearing what guys are making you know. Now we win a championship. So do you know bills you know I had a two year deal with him. He goes I give you seventy five grand a year okay. That's fine so I worked at my second is boy. Somebody's guys are making a little bit more money. I mean can I get a piece of the purse can I get something. So that's just seventy five thousand straits no purse. None really tight here. Yeah no I mean okay I just WanNa race 's okay well we win championships and I see all these checks going. You know I'm GonNa give you a fifty thousand dollar bonus onus okay. That's cool still wait. You know so okay so I built the building right there. My Dad says hey you need to build a building so I said Bill. You're on you WANNA LISA building. Yeah sure I'll lease it. Are you talking about this so I put it up three months in a hurry. Put it in. We come in here. Had A great season again. You know back to back when we went win this X.. Championship Will Bill Gates Kleenex. Were Timmy feet away. And I had five thousand square foot shop in the back that was which just empty Bill could use it for storage and stuff like that but I kept my kids go carts and stuff in it so birdies like hey. We're going to rent that shop and Ah for our second team perfect you know so. We finished the shop well ended here comes and they moved in and I said okay. Let me go see bill. Say Okay you know I. I'm not charging a lot of money at the structure of eight hundred dollars rent for the building at a fifteen thousand square foot building so he was getting a pretty good deal and I said Hey I says you know you guys got this other building. I said you know talk up one hundred dollars on check. I'm not doing that why not I don't have to now. Is this ninety going on this is this is a ninety well into ninety seven. Yeah okay well no because we you went to Daytona one so that would been first right. Yeah or ninety nine. That's right nine hours fench so so it was the end of ninety six And say come on. I said you know a couple hundred dollars yours. Check your lease because I remember I got in trouble. I was putting a building up. I needed some money. Run out of money and the bank wanted to see a lease so I remember going down me. Birdie went down. Two Bills Office sat down on a legal. Paper is okay. You know this is what you get and this is before you know. I put the building so I an- that five thousand square-foot wasn't in the lease hours. Just mine so okay. I didn't find the lease when he rents a whole the building. Instead of just ten thousand square foot he you know because I said Okay you get ten thousand or five thousands mind. Well he just put it all under house like are you kidding kidding me bill as a you know. That wasn't a deal and he says well you know what he says. I might have got you on that one I said really I mean here we are. We just WanNa Championship. Are you kidding. The end of the year and I was like. Are you kidding me. So I'm mad as hell so I call my lawyer. And he said he says he kinda got you accept he says if if you sell a building your Dad your dad deals with them and then okay. Yeah not a problem so I call my dad. Tell them what's going on. He wants to come down strangled. Bill I think he says I get it. He said whatever. Whatever we gotTA do down here? I'll bring a couple of my guys from the Junkyard and we'll just throw all this shit out. Okay so I build up. I said bill got an issue. I'm going to sell my my building. I sold my building to my dad. And you don't have a deal my dad as I so you want to call them now. All of this is before the ninety seven correct. This is still fresh off. Yeah we weren't home a month from from our victory celebrations. Yeah I said listen. I said my dad I says you got at least with my dad now like so you need to pay the rent so okay so we signed two years two more years you know I. I didn't double rent. It was fair price way under value. So I go home for Christmas and Come home come back here and the place is empty. Talk papers off air fittings. I what the Hell's going on here. Yeah places empty so I called Birdie Birdie. What's going on here? That bill bought a building up here. Mooresville okay so I grew up there and he bought a warehouse the House and places empty inside no walls no offices and so now you guys are supposed to work on the race card or building offices and so we had to build shop for month and a half but he's still paid me for a year. I didn't quite understand it. You know so of course it is is I probably need another contract as I. You know I need more money things up you know I need more now. You Ain't getting it. I said well that's okay so I called Dennis Shoemaker. I said Dennis I was like what do you want you want to race this year. Here I just you know this is what I need to make. You know at least give me forty percent of the purse you know. He said I'll do that. Okay so I had a seat in his truck and supposedly if you listen to bill Tony Stewart was supposed to die. So I'm Tony. said he never had that conversation with them. So you know it went back and forth and I remember. We went to my in laws house in Florida before we went to Daytona. And we're using my wife's life's neighbor my inlaws neighbor's house because they had a fax machine and so they were going back. My lawyer was a heated. I've never dealt with anybody like Goma martyr So I get it done. You get done if you don't. I'm just GONNA drive to sixty four Like two days before they left they got done. I got a little bit of race and I said okay. You know so we go out there. And who's funny because we win the race and I think Mark Darrow says Yep Yep this is the weirdest victory and I think they can pour gas on him because it wasn't nothing to do with the team you know it was just bill uh-huh and and kind of my lawyer me I mean I guess I just wanted to pay get paid fairly you know. Nineteen ninety seven randy. You pull off two of the most beautiful wins I've ever seen in all my time in Nascar. I mean in my mind's eye I can see both of them as clearly clearly today as the very second that they were happening. First of all Darlington. You have the just the patented crossover move on Jeff Burton who was a coup- guy and at that time they arise mark. Martin wasn't went in for outrace incorrect. Jeff Martin was and you you beat him on the last lap the other. He's still mad. I sorta David Green hold a grudge. Nothing to be mad about. I mean you bathe him. Rudolph the other one of those in nineteen ninety seven South Boston. UN Dell Shaw. That was what old school hard-nosed racing was supposed to be about. Because we would come down out of the press. Box and stand at Crossover Sergei so if you get into the INFIELD and in my mind's eye I'm still standing at that crossover gay away from where I can and I can feel the wind from your cars coming off and you know telling that story. I'm getting chills because it was old school race at. Its very honest. What do you remember about those two prices in particular okay? South Boston always enjoyed a short tracks. Ellie Mae Nickname for nickname for one or two cars. She she run good Well Shaw Betsy. Driver Fitch and years ago. I mean old Nascar North Days I had. I had a run in with Dale. Did you really yeah right. Occupants speedway and had he wrecked make. You know and and I didn't like it well. After the race I went down to his Holler. You has a bigger brother. That's big but there's nobody around just me and him and I walked into the trailer and I grabbed him because it worked for me when a couple of Canadians did it to me like a nineteen eighty five up and up in Canada. I I kind of moved somebody out or way and a couple of their french-speaking full the only thing I do not I remember we're understanding was. Don't touch that Efren car again at my feet rough in as I thought I was going to be dead I did remember that and I never touched that car again. Yeah well that's what I did today while he wasn't as big as I was and I remember I pinned him against the side trailers. Don't you ever wreck me again. I'll beat your ass okay. You know ten years later you know whatever it was carry is drive for finch and they they come in and they put less I- tires on all four so they had gum balls on on. Well he gets to go and he's on the inside of me and you never touch me and we had a hell of a race you know. We beat them by whatever you know. And I think he's going to take me out he's going to take me out and then you know I'm GonNa have to fight well and he didn't take me out. What French fries artem? That was the last race French because he didn't win the race. James was if you soft tires and a big garden writer. You need to win his race soft tires and a big car right now. That's a whole completely different part so that that that happened at South Boston Darlington. Yeah here we are going to run good run the top five all day. We had the number one pitstop huge advantage huge. What we we come out? Run A second Burton. I think I was fifth. You know come second so anyways we we take often. I could stay with him a couple of APPS because like you said if Mark Martin didn't win in a row scar jet burned it and then those two everybody covered and I can only stick with them for a couple of APPS and yeah I know we start walking away why I got a good run in one and two and went down backtra johnny inside of them so we go down to backtrack and I gotta run and I got under him and I said Okay I. I've seen this move. I watch senior. Do this move. I mean my first time Darlington ten years earlier Bob Johnson said I'll following Jack Ingram and I got by Jack and I was lost inboxes get behind that old man. Follow learn something and I did and I learned how to run Darlington. I learned where you had to lift because his points and my point totally different but in traffic and stuff so I learned how what you had to do and then from watching senior you know with that move in three and four so okay as we go down in as if I could get him to overdrive the entry. I just can't drive on the Nathan Textbook. So we go in there and sure enough. He lifted yet. He whistles it down in there and goes up the hill and as he's going up the hill I'm back wide open and dry in the bottom because he's all messed with Ronald trying to get the thing. Turn to stay off the feds and I beat them back to the line and this was before the track was flip flipped. Yeah yeah this is a yeah. So we're three or four which is now wanted to so it was the last race it was the last race before flipped it and wonder coolest things about that was. I went to victory lane and Diamond Hill. Plywood was the sponsor of the race. Jimmie John Ramsey too twins. You know they said hey they were all excited. It was the first time in and like hey you know this is great. You know if you know come to breakfast you know so went to Sunday breakfast. There ended up becoming really good friends with those two guys you know and and you know we've stayed. We had vacations and Myrtle beach properties at Myrtle beach and Jimmy John have just been wonderful friends. the anytime I've needed stuff you know they've always accommodated. You know whether it's going down there for for the racist. Hey can I park out back that you building it. Oh yeah you gotta come to breakfast and meet everybody not a problem So did you just wonderful people that was cool racing. It's so darn neat because no matter where you go. Even today I'll go to twenty five racetracks year and I'll come home with five more numbers in my phone. Because you're a bunch of cool people all around this place Ramsey Ramsay brothers indictment apply what they good for the sport. Okay so Talladega you in Buckshot Jones. Bristol stole you and Buckshot Jones the next year Nazareth you Buckshot Jones. The two of you obviously just didn't click and to me. You were from different worlds. Absolutely he came from money And had the best of everything and you hit kind of come up differently so you Kinda Alton scratched. Plastic Spoon twosomes both. So what was going on between you. Two what Talladega Buckshot had. I probably the best card in the Busch series. That money could buy Barnes Motors to Pearson's babysitting cars. Right cars fast fast buckshot. Not so much so okay here we are. We're we're running data and I got a line of word aligned line and I got guys pushing me and okay so I make a move on. Buckshot he kind of screwed up. Come out of four and they went down two French short. Shoot before the trial will you. You know he kind of pulled down to the inside what s he pulled down. I got a shot and he asked what a whole line. Okay we're rolling okay. No problem well okay so I got open racetrack in front of me and would ahead of steam. Well he decides to come back up and block me. Somebody was going to get correct. If I would've I would've got turned route. He come up. I hit him and he got wrecked. My son down across the Infield. I don't think he tore it up bad because does he stay. Stayed running so we run out of gas twice so my day. Okay I I don't have a good day the S- okay. I'm I'm Mac. If you run out of gas I mean in the cars. Don't make gas. We went like thirty laps or whatever and we tried to go to more laps. Why would we do that? We run out on on lap fifty. WE'RE NOT GONNA make fifty two well okay. So whatever so. I'm just not happy. So we get the checkered flag. I take my helmet off. Hang it up I take the gloves off. Take my belt off rolling down the backstretch bottom attorney three I paying attention buckshot. I'm going by. He takes a right gases. It up and hits me your indoor spins me out into the Infield and you don't have your belts I nothing. So are you kidding me mad as a Hornet well I'm stuck in the grass. Thankfully it rained. Because I couldn't I all I can do to get out of the mud. Well I'm I'm just mad at one I pull in and pull it back tracking NASCAR. I wanted to see you in a trailer not a problem. Well I go walking in trailer birdies behind me Buckshot and Ricky Pearson. Already in their Ray Hilson there so I walk in and say hey doing ray this. This is randy. Sit Out and as I did I punched Buckshot. Did you really I didn't call cocktail. Ricky jumps on top B- Birdie. Okay so I'm mad. I thought I knew everything was okay. So yeah I'm done with now. Okay I hit them. Okay Okay for me. He thought Iraq which okay it's Talladega you know if you block you're GonNa get wrecked act happens today. Still so that started sedan. I think Bristol was an x one. Here we are running third at Bristol. Having a good dais. Running third caution comes out and they got the big pile on in the middle and the doubles at the bottom of pylon. Caution comes out what happened. I buckshot rector guy. Okay so you see the whole pit crew for that team sat in on pit row flipping Buckshot on Sunday so twenty years later you know. He's halfway up the PYLA ISLA yellow. What happened now? He wrecks. Mikey mcglaughlin. Okay she mikey's guys. I remember big guy standing up it real clip off. So I don't WanNa make big. I no no no. No He's got to and I always told Bucks Ya Ya you drive me the same way. I'm GONNA drive you if you hit me. You'RE GONNA get hit I. I don't run over people I says. If you can't beat you can't do that when you're a champion you could but it'll help you. I was like so everybody. If you raise me clean I'm GONNA race. You clean. Well he he gets my back bumper pounds of back bumper. He's beating the back bumper off Takhar. Which tells you number one? He's got a whole lot better race card. I got but you don't have to run over somebody which Bristol you almost did well. He moved me up out of the GROOVE. Any any any do it enough. So when he snuck by I was able to put my bumper right to his and we went down into one and he lifted and I didn't. He spun out off my hood. Backed it in offense like he made his car. Looks like go Pinto. We're Gremlin okay. So Robert Pressley's in front of me and spotters like hey hey watch it. Bookshops rolling down the backstretch. He's GonNa get you so we come out at two under Yellow Robert Pressures in front of me and I'm going to try to hide alongside between Robert and wall or Robert wouldn't let me go. Let me get up there so I kind of back off and get in line. So no sooner I get in line I hear buckshot gassing up he turns right so I guess it up he just catches my rear bumper and he drives head on foods. Tobacco cars not junked affronted or cars junk and he missed me. I mean he turned me sideways so we ended up finishing second or third after a race. I mean Pe- road is pandemonium. I mean it is crew guys wanting to fight with everybody because he wrecked three or four cars. You know so. I don't care how I just had a good day and we we got hold out of their on state police. Did you realize Golf Cart. Yeah it was it was not it was insane. Place was going wild. I remember my wife. She was scared. I said this is Korean Air. What's going on and ended up the his? Pr Girl ended up working for NASCAR. Jamie Depict Tro and she was in souvenir who've neutrality at night and she thanked me because we cleaned out cleaned up the super trip and I was like what do I get you look at. Percentage percentage from anybody. Okay that was it and I thought it was cool and then I don't know where to help like I think it was Nazareth. And he got me again. You know Jesus I just I never been a big fan of guys that come in with checkbook And I you know He. He WanNa Cup races but I think that was equipment wise And I it was funny. I was in Nebraska your a couple of months ago and I'm leaving a racetrack. Go to hotel. I hear Claire. Be On on one of her things. I'm just getting ready to turn it. I hear Buckshot Jones House. So I'm listening. Yeah she's interviewing buckshot because they had coal custard did the Buckshot Card Darlington me. Too and I listen to the interview and cleared. said she didn't have a clue that we were not good. You know she i. I don't know why she was there when we're doing all this but anyway so he was very nice. You know he's like you know what he goes. I've Se- I've seen him years later at war. WAW SHORT-TRACK I'm not Georgia. Maybe he was racing car and he was signing autographs and I come up behind him. And I've been over to spoiler. I should bend you in half over this pulling cut your belly in half. Hey ready way doing nothing so I mean out of the race car. He's a good kid. I had trouble with him when he put a helmet on. He competed against me And he said Oh no you had a bunch of run inches by all good right. He's out there. You've got great seats and this and that so okay. So I shut the radio off and went to another station. My phone rings and Atlanta number is not I might not on my list I say okay another one easy. My Car's warranty must beat up so picker. Hey you say well. You just aren't clear book. I'm out here in Nebraska trying to make. Hey I'm just talking about. I heard he goes. I talked about how you did. Thank you randy. was there ever a point. We're you may be tried to sit down with somebody and earn things out. Because Ricky Pearson was his CARUCCI and Ricky is pretty old school. Well you know as his daddy son or was this just going to be a battle royale right from the very start. No they had very good racecars art ricky and the guys that he had So I always is the guys you know. I hate that you guys gotta fix race cars because your driver looks like but it's going to happen as I because of it. Just the way he runs. I mean it's not just me. I mean he had he had issues a lot of guys. I took it to the next level. You know I mean I understood his gunshot and his buckshot and his persona. You Know Little Guy Little little tough guy with the rifles and I mean it was a great gimmick. You know it was. It was awesome for the time but his name's Roy well. He didn't like being called Roy. So that was it Roy Moore so that was just the pope that I like. You know this is one of those poker's I always kept poking you know just to get him so I I. I'm sure that didn't do me any favors when he got behind me because he seen okay. I'll show you what Roy can do or anything. I'm going to be honest with you at the time. This was obviously very serious. Because you had skin in the game you're going for championships. Going Rice wins and when you two would run into each other you know a lot of times that that way now twenty some odd years later you and I are sitting here in your office talking about it and Randy. You've meant smiling. Alan the whole time. Is that something that you can look back on and say you know what that was. That was Kinda fun getting that kind of reaction Bristol. It was. I mean when when you get a hundred one thousand people cheer and a Boon or whatever the hell they were doing I mean. I think was more cheering than anything. That's cool that's what the sports about. I'm not I'm not one Justin Koumba with the competitor. Because when you put that helmet on and you strapped those belts tight. You Ain't got no friends if you do. You're in Iran Dr Business Instance And and I think you know that's what we've lost a little bit of With this day and age is you know you always gotta gotta be nice to somebody. I mean I I go back nine hundred eighty five. When I was in Canada? Those guys were nice to me. We talked about Iraq. The test session and everything but Michigan that year. You Win and you're going up against some pretty stout guys us. At the top drivers meetings were cool in the grand scheme of things and what that series man at the time. How special deal was that to win you? You beat twelve with the best in the world in equal cars and Golly I mean a lot of the Iraq guys from Barbara Today a wonderful people all guys I worked for I ever had was there a tells the story at Daytona. He was in the garage area when I flipped and he was working on cars. He was fleet manager. You know so. He was head Honcho. He says he heard acting hit the fence. He said I thought a bomb went off. And he's like what the Hell Hannity's next thing you know. He goes a windshield landed into in Iraq garage area from my car. He's like Oh boy we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA bury somebody so so but the Iraq series You know it was cool. I mean a lot of Jersey guys that were always racers that I seen growing up with my dad. We'll go to racetracks the you know you always see racing faces at the racetrack helping people and stuff like that so I always went to dinner with the Iraq is and we told stories. He's in old New Jersey Stories Wall stadium stories and stuff like that and to go there and insisted the drivers meeting with those guys they are. You got indycar champion. You've got two or three indycar guys in the top five Nascar Sprint car. Guy Was a kinser. You know soap to sit there and beat those guys you know in pretty darn matched cars. I was like wow. This is cool. I mean it's I I got the still got got the backdrop for Victory Lane. Here you know I got the trophy and the helmet and fire Sutin. That was probably one of my coolest wins. who was that was that affect Nineteen ninety-seven Jeff? Green starts off pretty stout with diamond-rich motorsports but then the Busch series team shuts down and Jeff gets moved up to a cop and after that it's pretty much you and todd Bohdan and then towards the end of the year you start easing out and you clinched the championship with a race to go rockingham. A half and randy that puts you in pretty elite company went into in a row. What did it mean to you? You look backing Larry Pearson did it ten years earlier you know and then you look at Jack Ingram and Sam ard guys that guys that have won back to back. You're like wow only three or four people have done this and Madonna for twenty years. That's pretty darn cool. You know I mean to to put your name in the record. Books right there And I think that was before I say ninety eight ninety nine is when cup influences came to the series Not necessarily helped you know but You no you can't slow down technology and that's all when somebody has a dime and they put eight cents towards technology instead of three. They're gonNA go faster than the guys that don't have technology and you know R- realistically I WanNa say senior and junior or when Dale Jr. came in I think like any dead. They would give the kid whatever he needs whatever or they can afford and that step the game up because the cup guys you know that would come and play. I mean Harry. Ga- would ed whitaker. I mean that car was in a gas station. You know so. There was no technology there and he was still kick are but You know and then Ralph came in you know with mark and Burton you know they hit on a lot of stuff. What else about all they had you know as before are CR came in and gibbs came in once those those super teams of the Cup guys got into the series? You know I it. It definitely parted the the the teams but Jeff. I thanked Bectal at the at the banquet for taking them out of it because that would have been tough to beat he they had they. We had a hell of a race team. You know they're getting there wasn't there wasn't nothing that they didn't lack So I was Kinda glad that they left. You Know Kinda glad that todd screwed it up in Milwaukee at any ended up wrecking himself. You know but other than that You know to to to win too. Well I I thought we could go three or four you know but then a guy named junior showed up and you kind of answered my next question about the technology and Dell junior coming coming in and and that really kind of changed the dynamic yes in the bush. Yeah and then I think the last true Busch series champion Opa Jeff Green when he came back the PPC and Harold Holly. I mean they had some Ford support Herald the smart guy and they played air and they hit on that that attitude at a race car. You know everybody was always you know just old school and nobody. Somehow they hit on a big right rear spring and kept the car used car aerodynamically to better that you could So he kicked our bud. You know that was the last couple of championships. I I I think that that were for the Busch series because after the technology came in and hey listeners this is Eric Quin general manager of where we are so proud to partner with Rick and Steve in the scene vault podcast odd cast in order to bring you these great shows that you're hearing every single week for over thirty years. The scene was the only place you needed to go to find the NASCAR content news that you needed and wanted the most talented riders degrades tigers and all sports made the scene the ultimate source for Nascar Information at cure. 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CMS DOT COM for slash seen that that's cute W. A. R. E. C. M. S. dot com forward slash scene is a product of the CNS companies. hewer maintain excellence. So Steve Randell Ajoy wins the Nineteen Nineteen ninety-six Busch Series Championship. Its Second Busch Series Championship in row for Base Motor Sports and team owner bill. Bumgarner and rainy gets invited to Iraq. Tour you're in nineteen ninety seven. I thought that was a pretty cool deal and he went to a test at Daytona and during that test he was Kinda I struggled a little bit not necessarily struggling but he went to Dale Earnhardt and he said what's the deal. How can you always do what you do? These tests began in the early early morning hours at Daytona and that was at a time of year where it was possible to save vapor trade. I've been there as drew to see vapor tries coming off today's cars and Dell said were you say there's vapour trails. You put your windshield. He knew the direction of the air. Yeah take advantage of it and that was in preseason testing. Think and what happened Randall. Joy goes into the Busch series season opener at Daytona. And he wins it right now. I gotTa tell you stay. That was my first year covering the Bush series as I mentioned and I didn't exactly know all the dynamics of what was going on at that Tom I got filled in about it later. Later on but Randy Letroy and base motor sports and team owner bill. Baumgartner had had terrible off season or they were going up against each each other and it boils down to money doesn't always it boils down to money. Randy wanted to renegotiate his contract and bill. Baumgartner was raining. Randy's Randy's shop to use as the shop for both rain-delayed joy and his new teammate. Tim Baidoa and according to Randy he wanted a little bit more money. BILL DIDN'T WANNA pay in for life of a better way to put it. All Hell broke loose. I can understand that. Given those circumstances I mean. They can't happy happy. And it was within days of leaving for Daytona and Randy and bill they appeared to be headed in separate directions. Randy had another rod lined up up with. Dennis Shoemaker Bill. Baumgartner had told me at one point that he had Tony Stewart lined up to drive his car at Daytona but somehow some way they mended their fences at least enough to go to Daytona. Run the rest of the season and Steve. I will say this hour Mike Randy he he he called the House One night at three. Am about some matter. I couldn't tell you exactly what it was right now. Off the top of my head but I'll remember is that he woke up my pregnant wife three. Am Three Am yes. You let's see what's the most tactful way to put it. I don't know that he was feeling pain. It sounded like he may have gotten some liquid-fuel well you know he was the Busch series champion making the point but when my book second nine came out he was a busch series champion. And you've it's been a big part of that book unlike Rick Mast but he actually did a book signing for me in Memphis I and he showed up on location at seven. AM or one of the local morning shows at seven am agree. And I thought that was pretty cool. You know the added. That was pretty cool. We went to the book signing. And there's nothing quite like doing a book signing into Barnes no one. They're not expecting you to be there and people kind of come up and they pick up if your book and they looked at the book and they look at you and they put it down they walk off. Somebody did that and randy literally chased them out the door. You need to buy this book. It's a great book. He put a lot of work into this so he saw that book this morning. Show there randy and I did guess who the guest was. That was coming on after us. I'll give you a hint. He was dino might know really. Yes Jimmy Jimmy Jay Jay Walker Randy Logistic Houston. There's there's an all star life we're out to our three anyway and on the other side of this coin. I also liked bill. Baumgartner the base motor sports team owner one of my fondest memories in the sport from my time in covering the Bush Busch series. We were out in Hollywood for the Bush series banquet and bill and his wife. Bobby took genie out to dinner at SPAGO. My first gang parks in the whole Tom. Sitting there and I'm going. How am I going to explain this expense? Report to Steve Bill Paper. The whole thing going to be sitting in Hollywood. Yeah well at Wolfgang Puck's restaurant with the championship team owner. That was pretty cool. Well well I gotTa tell you Rick in all seriousness that proves confidence that the competitors in the Busch series had for you. Yeah all they had to do is take me out to dinner and everything. It was gonNA be cool now. I say all that to say about reindeer and about bill from outside looking in and hindsight is always going to they twenty twenty if they had been able to set aside their differences. There's no talent what they would have been able to accomplish now. What they did accomplish was was two consecutive Bush's championships? I don't know how many wins but they were never quite as successful apart as they were together. Gather now make Randy Mad. That may make Bill Mad. Also but but yeah if they'd been able to set aside their differences. Yeah there's there's no telling where you know that reminds me. Several similar issues have taken place with other team and One of the most predominant in my mind happened in nineteen seventy two. That is when junior Johnson with Chevrolet. Got Buy outs and the driver's car and Bobby House went out won on ten raises. eight-year battled all season. Long Barich appeared to win the championship. which eventually did but during that whole time bobby and junior started having their differences and it was all about competition now junior had his way of doing things and bobby had his way and bobby was never afraid to speak his mind about how things should be done so they drifted apart personally and professionally and led to bobby leaving Matt team after a single after one year and ten victories and almost championship to move on and Bobby did enjoy success later on about a few years there? He was really struggling while Kale was running off championships with junior. So you have to wonder what Bobby Junior senior could've accomplished. Had they stayed together. Even Bobby. We'll tell you to this day. The biggest mistake he ever made with parting ways with junior Johnson. I'M GONNA go out on a limb. I'm here and say this. If Bobby Allison had been able to stay put and form a lasting relationship with whatever car owner bud Bud Moore be it. DI- guard be at junior Johnson. Whoever he's the second most all time winning driver he goes over? One hundred wins easily from eighty-five that he has now if he had been able to form that stable relationship right he would be over one hundred degree. I agree and there's no oh telling how many championships he might have won. exerience junior. I mentioned an intro. The two wins in nineteen ninety seven. That randy had that really and truly stuck stuck to me. The first of those was at Darlington and he passes. Jeff Burton with one of those just amazing crossover mos- between what was then turns. Three three and four. What's now wanted to before? The track was flip Jeff had gotten by him but carried too much momentum and deterrence three and four in randy duck back under him and won the race. And I'm telling you Steve at that time. Jeff Burton was a Winston Cup driver driving four rouse racing in the Busch series. And at that time you did not beat rousers. Ralph's racing just didn't happen because if Mark Morton wasn't winning races in the sixty winn-dixie Car Jeff Burton was when in that yellow blue tracking gear was so that was one last lap. Pass that just sticks in my memory. The second the second second was at South Boston the green flag came out with five laps to go and at that time there were no pit notes or anything at South Boston. There's aw there was hardly a finishing order so we would actually come down out of the press box with few laps to go and go the crossover gate there and turn one one kind of wait for the race to be over. I was standing in. Turn one at that crossover gate. Just outside the track and Steve. In my mind's eye I I still feel the wind of those cars as they come by. Now it's funny. How memory can kind of do things to you in my mind? Mind that late race battle took place over twenty or thirty laps and went back. And I'll watch the video and it was five laps after the last caution and to be honest with you it was just really the last couple of laughs after they got position on each other. But I'm telling you that was what short track racing was all bad. I mean now it's it's just a beautiful finish randy. One just barely over del Shawl in James spent his car so that was pretty cool. Well let me ask you this. Do you remember who finished third. Well I did after I looked on race and right after I looked up on raising their efforts Buckshot Jones. Yeah finished third in this race South Boston I did not remember that. Off the top of my head but it would be impossible to forget buckshot Jones in Randy La- joy in nineteen ninety seven to ninety eight we have talked about various rivalries on the podcast before but at that time in that division you didn't have a better robbery. Then buckshot Johnson Randy letroy because they really came from two different worlds buckshot. The good old boy from the deep South His dad was well to do so. Buckshot was I will to afford to rice and randy well for lack of a better way to put a Yankee from up North Kinda came up by the bootstraps and I struggled to make his way into this poor and if they had never gotten together on the racetrack I I think that would have been enough for them to butt heads Tomor to and again like randy the and bill. Baumgartner also got along a buckshot. We've talked about the practical jokes that we played on each other. And if I haven't already mentioned on this show Buckshot. Jones is our next guest here on the watch to decide what you are describing. The rivaling between Randolph joined Butch Jones hearkens back to the earlier days series. Where you had Sam Art and Jack Ingram and Bob Presley and Tommy. Oh my goodness Tommy. Tommy Ellison everybody these guys women it week after we do we show the Bush sears in my opinion was a terrific sears when it came to competition between and among drivers simply because I like short-track reason like most folks stew and when it came to solid rubber fenders competition Bush's guys on the short tracks were among the best in the world at it. Well well you know. I think it's funny. You say that because their first run in didn't take place at a short track. It took place at Talladega. I don't know that Talladega is the place that would choose to start a rivalry. I don't think so but I can certainly see where the emotions would run very hot. Just stay Talladega. NEGGA SHORT-TRACK IN ONE WAY at least tempers can flare at Talladega in the nineteen ninety seven Bush's rice their Radio Ajoy Roy gotten into the back of Buckshot. Buckshot spun. Thank a couple of other cars were collected and then after the race Randy said that he had already taken his helmet off his seat belts off and everything and all of a sudden buckshot runs into in Spanish him after the checkered flag and then in the trailer according to Randy he he said that Bush's director Ray. He'll told him to come on in the office and have a C. and Randy said that as he sat down he punched Buckshot. Really it really now. Okay tell the rest of the story that story being told from Randy's perspective check out what books had to say in this preview of the interview. I did with him. But then you know what kind of really take me off as we went into the HAULER NASCAR Holler at. He said he never touch me. Then I like man. The back of my car is black. It there's no blue on it back there. I said your car is blue. And there's blue all under the bumper and still said you know he didn't hit me and it was just you know I think people certain drivers have robberies. There's something everything always starts out there on the track and for some reason it started with me and him. Okay gotta ask Gordon Randy in the NASCAR hauler really said I come out with a mark on me. You're not saying saying that would stretch the truth. Wow I'm saying he stretching rotten if he said that okay all right. So you're you're not confirmed. You're absolutely denying that happened One thousand percent. And all you have to do Mike Helton was in there. Not Forget who all's in Ask Mike so what do you think about that. We have to completely different versions. They still don't wait now. Personally I find it kinda difficult to believe that randy would punch anyone in front of NASCAR officials in the hall now. I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm saying I'm finding it hard to believe we kinda taking a real chance. There sure I will say this if he did. I believe that it would have been ill advised true. And if he did I also believe that he would. They've been found true and he was not. That's what I'm saying. So wow okay I wasn't there. I do not know what happened. Not Know who. aww urban legend mill later that same season Bristol night race. I'm sitting into press box at Bristol. The new a new press box between turns three and four high above the race track in the sweet and I've always said that the view from the Bristol press box is like I imagine the view from heaven to be because you can see everything that goes on on the right track just a beautiful perspective. Now I don't know how beautiful it was search for Randy and Buckshot. So there I am watching from the Bristol. Press box that beautiful view and Buckshot is trying to get by Randy fourth-place. He makes the move between turns three and four gets under Randy makes the pass Randy pulls up on his bumper and in Randy's words Buckshot shot lifted and he didn't going into turn one buckshot wrecked. No Kid left his car in a heap their interns one and two. And I'm in the press box again and I'm on the radio to our photographers and the crowd is just going nuts okay. That was a huge response there at Bristol and I'm on the radio and I'm going nuts too and I'm screaming photographers because you could see buckshot. Kind of limping down the backstretch and he was very obviously waiting on rainy to come back. Obviously and I was on the radio now and I'm screaming and then when Book Shotgun did at a three track tried to hit randy. I'm like on the radio I'm going that's GonNa be a big fund. That's GonNa be a big fine. I can't believe he did talk to the photographers. Look over at Kevin Triplett who was the PR person for Nascar at the time. And he looked at me and he very calmly said Ed Rick. Why don't you wait and let us make that? That was round two bucks hot and Randy and then the next next year at Nazareth. The press box there was on the inside of the race track so it didn't see what happened on the racetrack but we could very plainly say randy stocking looking back into the garage in man. You could tell that he was hot. Oh man he was ticked off and he went and he waited basically the rest of the race At the NASCAR Holler he knew coming up. Oh you know there wasn't any way for us to be. You know to clandestine about it because we were. We were all but but hands on the breast box win to nose pressed against the window trying to see what was happening. You know but stay for all that in all that strife all that anger and all that animosity that was going on at that time I will tell you this the whole time that randy was talking about Buckshot. He had this grin in on his face. And I don't know that I would say that. He has mellowed. But I do think that he's Kinda looked back on it and thought you know what that was pretty fun yeah. I'm not surprised at all. I think they are other. Shall we say competitive relationships between drivers seem somewhat heated at that time and then later her later when times changing circumstances change The drivers look back on it and smiled like randy did because buying golly they they might have been rival but they sure had fun and they raised hard. So that I think is the way they look at it down the road Listeners followed Brian Caleb on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot Ed Dot com stay. We've talked about Randall. Joy We've talked about Jeff Burton. We've talked about Mark Martin in Busch Series We've talked about Buckshot Jones the second segment. We'll talk about Dale EARNHARDT and mark. Martin Oh I think Brian has them. Brian has them covered advert and he'll also have our listeners covered once they check out his inventory and by the t shirts caps and while all ever else he has available again. He has what amounts into a museum of racing apparel and it's available for anybody to checkout to take a look again follow bronchail on instagram and twitter at speedway voice screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot. Ed Dot Com Steve. The November Eighth Nineteen Ninety issue wants to cut saying covered the next to last race of the nineteen ninety season at Phoenix and Dale earnhardt led all but the first fifty m uncovered on that day and that was the most dominant superspeedway victory by any drivers since nineteen seventy-three at Rock Am and where David Pearson this David Pearson led every lap. But one and they're four hundred ninety two labs APPs at Rockingham at Rockingham really. Wow now rusty wallace said on the pole for this race and led the first fifty laps but then pitted during the first caution of the day Dell earnhardt made it off pit road in first place as it. That was it for big changes. That rusty wound up Vol now the race just twenty seven laps. After giving up the lead had a blown engine and of course he was kind of. I don't know if I would call him. Well Yeah I would. I would call him a lame-duck with with Raymond Beetle was. He already announced his decision to move on to paint ski racing with Miller sponsorship. So you know. This was a big day for Dale Earnhardt. Because Mark Martin went into the event with forty five point lead in Winston Cup standings but had handling problems most of the day appeared though that he and Steve Mill and the rest of the crew. He kinda sorted things out he would be able to at least salvage a top five finish but then he had to pit for fresh tyres during the eighth caution of the day he came out and twelfth place he made it up to tenth. And the end Terry Labonte blew an engine as he crossed the finish line. Mark Martin was trying to get around Ernie Arvin four position and ended up wrecked in. Turn one after the checkered flag. Well you can say Mark Martin that things did not go very well At all what they finished finished tenth place okay. He lost fifty one point and that single race. Yeah he went from. I'm forty five points ahead of Dale Earnhardt to six points behind going into the season finale in Atlanta and of course we know what happened there. Dale Earnhardt art won the Nineteen Ninety Winston Cup Championship and again. This is something that we've discussed before if it hadn't been for the forty six point entity at Richmond an early in the season of the year store. We're talking about a Mark Martin Championship regardless of what had happened here. Dale said after the race mark and Jack Roush are not going going to go down there and hope for us to have bad luck. I think they're going to go down there and try to rice like we did today and force the issue. The key to winning this championship is is to run run competitive ambi around at the end to try to win you do that in. You've got a shot at winning this championship when we go to Atlanta. You're not going to to be able to run in the top ten and win it. You're going to have to run in the top two or three to win it and that's what it means to be Dell earnhardt exactly right about that turned out that Dale did finished third at Atlanta. That race was won by Morgan Shepherd. WHO's driving for Bud Moore at the time? That was the third career win for Morgan. He would win his fourth in nineteen ninety-three with the woodcutters also in Atlanta. Now at the time there was a two week break between Phoenix and Atlanta and so there was a little bit of build up and mark and his team went down to Atlanta to test. And Steve didn't Robert Gates wind up giving them a car car. Absolutely what happened was the fourteenth more or less got together and said we have to do whatever we can do dale from winning this championship Chevrolet. Yeah cooperated that was like not like anything it's seen before even knows it and he said boy they sure are trying and that's exactly what the scenario was going into Atlanta Martin said after Phoenix. We'll go to Atlanta to win. It doesn't change a darn thing now. I don't have to worry about getting out run by Dale and losing the championship now always got to think about is go down. There and raced raced win. Now Steve in this issue there was a notebook item. About Jeff Walton a crew member on Ted. Musk graves daycare. Alright on car teddy. Came in for a pit. Stop during the fifth caution on about laptop twenty or so. He slid sideways. He clipped Walton with rear of his car and he flipped Walton and the air. Jeff Walton wound up landing on his side then saw oncoming cars and got up and he was taken to the hospital with a cut on his left leg and bruises and Steve. I saw that notebook and in and of itself it was nothing really out of the ordinary. But this is the next last race of the nineteen ninety season. And then Steve. It was the very next race where Mike rich the tire changer on. Bill Elliott's car lost a lot of very very tough. The situation. What happened was he was working on the car? When Ricky Rudd came in to pit he was driving render at the time he was ahead of bills? But somehow somehow the car spun and mashed into Bill's car effectively catching mike between the two yards. Now Tommy Cole. Who was to Jack Man? I believe he was also hit by blood but he was not seriously injured factor. You went to the Care Center and in came out later with minor injuries but Mike he was taken to the hospital and after surgery he just passed away. Doctors said they were nothing. It could do to save you at the time now. Ironically listeners the second time a hair mailing team was involved in this Riverside Riverside. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It was. Steve Cowell and Chuck Hill were injured At Riverside at that time Ironically Tommy Cole and Mike Rich which were hired to replace them really and then this happened. Harry was very upset about it said that he might not race again and Bill Elliott and nothing to say he finished fifteenth. got a car said that I got nothing to say and left the Racetrack Trek and Steve. I'M GONNA make this statement because of what happened with microage a pit road speed was implemented in time for the nineteen ninety one season after working out the cakes there. I mean there were some kind of crazy rules in early. Nineteen ninety one but the longest sort of it was was there was a pit wrote speed. Yeah that was the ultimate decision. But it didn't come about at cleanly as we know for time. THERE NASCAR had odd even says to lessen the crowd hit road so that would mean I. You know odd numbered cars will come in and then go back check out and go back in and it was. It was kind of a crazy situation. I learned the inside store of how that all came about Nascar time the practice of rounding up several team owners and other team officials and taking them to a treat which was on a boat and Carribean. Okay and Junior Johnson was one of those guys during this time and he said you should have seen what was going on when we're talking about how make pit road safer NASCAR'S NASCAR is coming up with this idea of odd and even cars pitting at different times. You should have seen him on their hands as a knees playing with toy cars trying to illustrate how this would work and finally I said to him boys just leave it up to the driver but it on Bam yeah led to pit road speed. You can actually make the case that the implementation of the pit road speed was two crewmembers. vers what the Hans device soft walls were eventually to drivers. That was a very important safety advancement on pit road. Because you had drivers coming down pit road at Talladega speed full speed and those sanborn holders know as bad as I wanted to get into racing at that time. If that's what it had taken we we wouldn't be sitting here right now. Words work to be done. There was absolutely work to be done after the pit road speed because in this issue there's also a picture of chocolate Myers who was the Gasman for Dale Earnhardt and it simply. They are in this issue because chocolate. Oakland had taken wearing a helmet. Well that was unheard time. Now it has evolved to the point where you and I both know. There's not only helmets and firesuits and everything else on the road for the big cruise and I think that helmet that chocolate whereas wearing was Kinda as a result of the fire that had Andrew Robert Calcutt the Gasman for Richard Petty back in Atlanta. And I WANNA say nineteen eighty nine. I think it was so that was a response to that. So so there was that development in the sport and also there was a column in this issue by Herman Hickman who is the P. R. Rapid Rockingham and stay Steve Dave he basically blasted some Charlotte. TV and radio stations. For reporting that Bruton Smith had been approached about buying Rockingham. That was a big hot rumor back. Then I don't know if it was true or not but it was eventually bought out by Roger Penske's uh-huh Bruton Smith Bruton Spiff and we know what eventually happened to Rockingham. I think it's funny that we talk about this today with news breaking the Roger Penske has bought Indianapolis Motor speedway cars and Indycar circuit. Wouldn't you like to have that kind of coin magic ads than not imagine and there was also a pit pass item about Phil. Parsons replacing Rusty Wallace on Raymond Beatles team with cliff champion crew chief. Mobil one is the sponsor and Bob Byrne men replacing Harold Elliott as the engine builder. Now stay. That's it's an awful lot of detail there not to be anything to it right a lot of detail and nothing true at all. I don't know if it wasn't true. ooh But I got to imagine that something happened with my one and they didn't come on board or didn't sign on or well. They certainly this. I wouldn't have been made up. There had to be talks along these lines but in the end the thing you risk when you print rumors is that he don't become and that's what happened here. Well is it truth that the rumor was out there. That's reporting. That's not my point point. Is You report a rumor. And stated as such that's fine. Yeah but you know some dimes. Sometimes media can get a little bit carried away and not say it's a rumor don't specifically state that it is believe me in Nascar and and NASCAR media. This has happened much more than once. Well it was also mentioned in this pit pass item that Bob Dylan had talked Raymond. BEADLE and Steve. Steve Turns out that Raymond Beetle was finished on as a Winston Cup team owner. He never ran another race. And finally the pit past section reported that Greg Sacks was expecting to sign a contract with Rick Hendrick soon and that he was going to do a full season in nineteen ninety. One that didn't happen that didn't happen. And of course I greg sacks had driven that number eighteen slim fast car and so races and he had also been a big part of the days of thunder stunt driving and all that and kind of expected to parlay that into a deal with Rick Hendrick which which is understandable. Yeah and he did drive a partial season. Nineteen ninety four four rick but he didn't get the full season nineteen ninety one and finally in this issue. There is a letter to the editor. I wanted to mention it was from a captain often. In the United States Marine Corps who was stationed in the Middle East at that time poorest Iraq had invaded Kuwait and the world was kind of sitting around on Pinson handsome their Operation Desert Shield Desert Storm once the combat started. And in this letter. The rotter Tom Rostowski mentioned the fact that he got some letters from home from people in his church. But the big deal was he got a big brown envelope and inside were four issues issues of Winston Cup same from his wife about that. She was catching him up on his subscription. And that's how he learned the news of what was going on at at the time in his favorite sport NASCAR. Now how cool is that is very cool very cool and I kind of make the connection because at that time as we've mentioned in many many times here on the show that was how people kept informed of what was going on this morning. We hear all the time today of people who say they they miss scene because that was the way the only way they got their Nascar Info. That's not the case today. You know I clicked on my twitter APP this morning at breakfast and every single tweet. You know I'd Scroll Up Scroll Up Scroll up. And every single tweet mentioned the fact that Roger Penske you had purchased Indianapolis Motor speedway. He'd purchased indycar series so back then. Though that wasn't an option I know I don Technology Technology Cyberspace. Everyone call it. It's changed everything. Not just in racing everything everything. Hi I'm Ray Evan in Ham and you're listening to the scene vault podcast Steve. I don't even know what to say about Texas. I Pick Martin drew ex junior. He finished sixth I and he finished better than your got. UPN position you pick. Kyle Busch and Kyle Busch finished seventh but even though Margai Margai finish better than your guy you picked up ground in both current points in Winston Cup. Love those stage points. Oh aw cowboys. A total of fourteen stage points and at the end of the day he had seven more points than Martin. True x-junior junior although Martin had finished better than he is right at the checkered flag. Not only that but Kyle Busch also scored more points. Then in Daniel Suarez as the guy who finished third third stave. Ah Say I know a lot of fans ends. Don't like it but the way the system is right now. Picking up stage points bobbing among the top. Ten at the end of each stage can make a difference. It did here man. I need to get my blood pressure checked in the current system. You are up thirty nine points with two races to go and in Winston Cup standings. You're up sixty one points where to raises to go racist. Go Man that hall of fame thing that a little bit is looking better and better later. Well it's looking better and better for you to wet them is Steve. Who Do you have? It Phoenix Kevin. Harvick won This past week in Texas he is going to be pretty stout at Phoenix. I think because the multiple winner they're swept to finish rate. He's just a few years ago. I think he's going to be tough. This time out. Well I can say this. Picking the winner of the previous week's race has not worked out so well for me well I'M NOT GONNA chance it okay but I am going to go with my man again. And that's Kyle Busch. I GONNA ride that Pony in Steve. Here's how desperate. I am okay since you have been having so much better luck than I. Have you pick my driver for Phoenix. Who Do I have four Phoenix? Utah's net

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Beyond the Headlines  Detroit  Episode 34

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Beyond the Headlines Detroit Episode 34

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW DOT odd casting troy dot com before information Welcome to beyond the headlines with your home veteran journalist dealing nichols welcome. Oh come to another edition of beyond the headlines. I'm your host. Darren Nichols earlier this month. The newly formed Flint Saginaw Chapter of the National Association of Black Journalists. I took on the Flint Journal and Flint beat for running the criminal backgrounds and mugshots of three Democratic candidates vying for state representative seat. The helping us to break this down is chapter chapter president and my former colleague Ebony stiff welcome ebony how are you you. I'm doing wonderful and yourself I'm doing great. That's great for happening. Oh absolutely this is important issue so we definitely had to get you to come on for this so so before we sort sort of get started With this issue tell us about yourself. What what you've done in your career and about the newly formed chapter? Yes so My name is Jason. I have been In Journalism Journalism for over thirty years once it through newspapers Just about all over the Detroit. News the MANAPPL- star Dr Punch Poems Sentinel and My job basically was to lay out But pages of newspapers so I have a design background Of course it's morphed into More a down the road doing social media and things like that and so most. It's recently I Worked at the TV station at NBC. Twenty five and five sixty six and I was digital content manager and I was there for about three and a half half years and then transitioned here to This against a college not my medicine here in Flint as their Communications Manager for the Flint Registry so instead of talking about the flint water crisis through news. I decided to be on the other end in helping Folks recover from the water crisis. So that's basically my job here is to keep the communication out for What we do here at the front street shoot so Here we decided that we wanted to have a representation of course with the Enabling the J. I've been part of J just about the beginning of my career and It started actually here at the Flint Journal number going to meetings and fellow shipping with other but journalists here in the community and That was my first Take on how you know about every day and and you know professional development and sharpening your skills and his awful advocating for diversity in the news so do And you know bringing up Concerns and things like that so it hasn't been in the area for some years quite a few Quite a few years and actually Insuring John that was the last Time I think that the Navy J. was here with moons ago so so There's definitely a need because there are flint and Saginaw predominantly African American community and you know representation of a of an organization like this important so We formulate a group and we were approved. You the National Association. The budget lifted the official back in October. Twenty nineteen so actually Mitt. Friday is our first Event Inch fundraiser event. Kinda kicking it off for the Mir and they hayward here we're here to Do some professional development Get kids involved with understanding what Journalism is all about and kind of being you know being advocates in the community. So it's really exciting and we're so glad to be here great great and and so you sort of touched up upon this a little a bit earlier But I want you to until a little bit more depth in terms of Why it's important to have the chapter in your area primarily because of The African American communities in Flint and Saginaw and that you all are a little bit further away from the city of Detroit and that in that area was not getting sort of Advocacy in terms of keeping the media. Accountable can you talk a little bit. Absolutely so And we know we've been in the business for many many years and especially in and Newspapers the decline of people working in the newsroom. So you know the big layoff you know and and as years go by most of those Newsroom got less and less diverse. So so here in this area there wasn't too many. There's they're they're doing a lot of stories about you. Know of course the African American community but there's also some stories that yeah are probably out there that haven't been touched or or have someone in the newsroom to kind of help navigate Ideas and kind of you know connect with the community they serve To tell you no better content stories or even stories that they might not discover. 'cause they're not necessarily part of that community so Being an advocate is kind of being able to to assure that The community that Komo news organizations serve Make sure they serve the entire commune. Just not a small worship because as we know Diverse Komo very important. You know you've got Of course the African American community or the Latin community. You know we're we're really right right diverse and we need to be able to Tell those stories that are not necessarily told and whether they're positive or negative We need to be able to be Being able to reflect Respect that in the reporting that we do and so okay We there has been a couple of weeks ago. We there was a little bit of an upward here in in the Flint area where there was three candidates that were running for House representative and and I have noticed it on facebook and so I went to the website to see much shots of the the two other candidates and and one Just the story about his His case but It looks as it appeared. The stories were brand new But some of these stories Happen one of them had like two thousand and one One of them have been in a Dui in two thousand awesome but the other one like recently in July of two thousand nineteen but it appeared as if they were fresh brand new store and so And they happen to be all blackmails now Do reporter do voters each notice. Information yet How it's presented presented is vitally important especially when you're Doing a campaign for an election everything has to be fair. And that's What I've always been taught especially many many election running lectures like we have to be fair across the board so I figure you know. Hey we're here here now so this is our job to To kind of point things out so people know that we're watching and that. We are here to advocate advocate for fairness non-bias and Ethics need so I reached out to me Newsroom leader Kim and I had a conversation extinction about how does appear for the community and how how upset the community and how he could probably Better display okay. The information because it's important information we want to be fair And she took that in he understand that he respected that And they they made a change and so that's what we want. That's what we want. We want to be able to have a dialogue with especially with Media Organization on how to better package stories if that are important that are vital but they're fair And that they're not singling out anyone for whatever apparently is and so So after talking with you know we had a good conversation. He he also indicated that their newsroom is it diverted and that they've been reaching out to Enable J. to Kinda to see if anybody wants to work for in live and I'm like hey we're here now. You know you can definitely reach out to us and maybe we can start Collaborating with them on a regular basis they weaken Inspires them young folks who might want to internal work for the Journal so That kind of opens up a dialogue. And that's exactly what we want fishing for This organization and being able to open up a dialogue for For news organizations to Kinda gotta get it they they understand and and and they wanna be able to represent that fairly the community. Sure and you talked about this a little bit earlier but I wanNa talk about the importance of how these images are portrayed in the media Particularly when it came to the mugshots shots What kind of picture did it give not necessarily just black males but but people who are running for office and it being so close close to the election as well in it it appears on the surface? It would appear that it would kind of sway a voter When you're showing correct shot two or three days before an election so talk to me a little bit about right? Why was important for you to sort of deal with the issue and sort of real time? Because you're talking nothing come out in a matter of days Between over the weekend and a Tuesday that they're getting ready to vote so talk to me a little bit about right. Well Yeah and as I was talking to him about that It it made. It appear that you're listening laying out you know leave to blackmail Of course you you know how sometimes you know the peers you know to make the scary The security black man don't vote for him so it it kind of made that that It had that impression and and I told him you know you don't want to make the decision for the voters. That's not our job as reporters. We don't WanNa make the decision for voters like. Hey don't vote for three days. You know we don't want to make that decision and Putting it out there like that would obviously That we were saying Hey They were saying. Hey don't vote for these guys and this is why and that's not how you're supposed to handle an election especially You know especially something so close to election in these stories and I think even if you these stories were posted the day before are they ran a story of all eleven units and I told him I said you would you just dig was singled them all out the day before you feature feature all Eleven candidates and that you know that doesn't look good and and so. What was their response? They I think they didn't. They didn't really understand because like I said they don't have any representation in that in that newsroom to say hey you know. This doesn't look good. You know they don't have representation in the newsroom. That knows what those buys feel like you know especially especially when you're growing up as a black woman you know with the bias and those things feel Mike and what it might look like they if you you know you if you don't have have anybody in that newsroom to know what that feels like look like they might not understand so they ha- they didn't understand their reporting a story you know there was just doing you WanNa start a report but they didn't understand that impact so So when someone is able to come to them and say hey this is you know. Look all right bill right and this is why and once they understood coming from a different perspective they were like. Oh Okay I get. Ah But if there's no representation in the newsroom to say hey might want to not do that then They they have have no clue But I do know. There's there's some members and the Saginaw chapter heard and felt the the vibe of the community because there's two there's a Her name is Isis. She works in the In the second half Newsroom and she she kinda you you know like helped you know like you know Kinda help them like. Hey you know this. This doesn't feel right so Being able to be in the newsroom it kind of point those things out Is is very helpful. And we definitely WANNA be able to Be Advocates for our community. You know we know these stories out there you know but it's how you report in Honolulu fairly in with what they're you know. There's I don't want that newsroom. It says that had knows what that feels like. And and Kinda like call it out. Then you know that. That's you know. That's that's the problem right. And so were they open to sort of have continuing dialogue with people like yourself in order to make sure that they don't mind Easter as a mistake explore again absolutely. I told them I said you know this is my cell phone. Call me anytime bouncing ideas and thoughts. I you know I'm I I don't work in the newsroom anywhere so I'm not even competition I'm I'm now. NPR and I worked for you know a different organization. So I I'm the best that's person's you can call and ask questions because I'm not you know I'm not competition not work for any other news organization in the community so I told them my cellphone. you call me anytime. And he was open to that he was really really open to that he definitely wanted to continue to be a feel comfortable. The call me anytime and they actually Some of the representatives from Mlive I think are going to be at the event Saturday so It was a positive outcome. And that's what we want. We want on a positive outcome. We want to be able to have a good dialogue with News organizations to say. Hey you know we're not saying don't do your job. We're not saying that but it's how you how you represent and how do we just. We just know you start with community in for you to be a trusted source of information And feel comfortable talking to you about a story because if you you you made this whole community upset with you about how you report a story and if you need their information to report a store they're not gonNA come to you because they're going to say we don't trust you don't like how you do The reporting reporting and throw Wa wa Wa. I come to you even tell you a story because I don't trust that so I don't think new new organizations understand that Especially in this community with it you lose the trust and the of the folks that you need stories from than we make sure job much harder and then you're reporting according from a press release and really going out into the community actually pulling out stories that matter yes and talk about that a little bit more in depth because there's tomorrow ready a distrust between the black community and the media to begin with and so when you see these stories There say here go here they go again you know. They're always trying to tear us down and they don't have any reporters of colors. Then they'll go into the neighborhood. Represented were represented and in and coupled that the only time that They don't necessarily Come out to Anything that is positive in their in their neighborhoods and they are done When there's a shooting or or that sort of thing that goes on we'll talk about that distract And how important it is to sort of Cultivate people within the community in order to build that trust afternoon so the first first thing I would say especially a reporter Is there just you know. Go Out in the community you don't necessarily have to Have a story in hand but go to some of the places in spots where people are going to be you know And kind of just talk and and you'll find you'll find those stories but if you don't go out and you just rely on a a press release To tell a story you're not gonNA get any really good content and on the other end. I do know that a lot of these news organizations have like story quotas and story count. You know you have five or six stories on the web and that kinda snatches be the effort of really getting some really good reporting because you wanna be able to. I remember back in the day. We used to have like special special report than people would spend a couple of months on investigating instigating and Trying to get really good quality story. That doesn't hardly this thing more There's like story quotas and Click Bait type of stories and You know the the ugly Mug shot is what people are going to click on and and have a laugh. Because you know you know the Click Bait and so I know didn't any. BJ Has Stepped in and kind of trying to get news organizations to get away from that because Just because they have a mugshot they don't necessarily mean they have been convicted from so you already convicting them in public opinion By using their mugshot so So with that. Stead is those organizations. Have to come up with some other ways to engage the readers and viewers Better than than just a quick click story Because because that's what we mean is so. We're not going to trust you. You know the Chinese not going to trust you. All you're doing is trying to find a sensational story. Just report But it's GonNa take a word takes some digging so that is our job to kind of keep pushing the envelope and kind of Being out there to Me Out there to push what good reporting looks like and And it's time to Kinda real that in. I know people want things quick fast in a hurry. But you know there's I remember looking up some information about journalism. You know the ethics of journalism. There's generally should do no harm. You know that that was in my press release and We should publish and broadcast published in broadcast may be harmful but we should always be aware of the impact of our words and images on on the lives of others and that was actually in on the Ethical Journalism Network website and that was like a five core principles of journalism meaning to get back at that. We need to get back. We needed to get back to that because right now what you're doing is you're harming you know you could have done Harm there's a lot of those Representative they've done that. They use the Mugshot. That was an incident or probably a personal bad time in their life but they they have also done x Y and Z like. That wasn't reported. You know that you know it was just the it was actually. The story was based Police report is it have what they they didn't have with the did sense we Arrested have what they're doing now they they didn't have any of that so had it. So he lacked the context upon right. It locked the context in the content of that and I've told him actually when I talked to the newsroom. I gave it suggests not that I know 'cause I know the general got in big trouble for not reporting an incident That that caused the big huge uproar of somebody having a criminal record and he didn't report it uh-huh with the adverse. This is what they do which I get fine but when you did that eleven. I gave him the suggestion that we knew reported. All eleven candidates you asked you know with you. Know what their stance were. You gave a little bit about What they what they stand for in that the little blurred of their pitcher and information about them? You should say Brynjar Hall does a criminal background check. This is what we found and have little bullets of what what happened. What you found? And that's it. Sure all of its there. 'cause you reported on all of a sudden you background checks on all eleven. And here's our little editors of what we found. Bow nothing bounce something. That's okay to do right right. You know so I gave suggestion. He was like Oh okay actually. They changed their article in an advocate right. That's that's effective and that's how supposed yeah and so and so sort of going back to the race. What was the outcome of the race and were any of the people that had their mugshots Were they affected by I What was done in the favor? I can't I don't know if anybody would have been had a different outcome from from article So I'm not quite sure But they didn't win they didn't win The nomination it was the primary so The mayor's wife here in front of the new mayor's wife here was was nominated so there's GonNa be another election and with her and Republican. So there's no really Q- Hugh if it had any effect because Flint Flint is Is Really Interesting Flynn is. Flynn is really interesting. So even though they might have decided to think okay It might have been outcome flint. Folks who know these people are going to vote for them anyway because they know him personally sure show It may or may not have had I don't know but but You know the ad I think the only adverse with the disgruntled feeling that that were were were caused by By the hey it might have. Actually he added them a couple more votes. I don't know right because he we're selling that happened. You know right it might have happened in by the got. Uh extra two or three votes because we were that we were literally people who said that they weren't even going to vote for that person was upset about the warning. So that's how so that's how they affect it and it wasn't just African. Americans in the community was black wide. It was it was just a number of people who are upset and they wanted to. Just it wasn't just the black community people who actually know these people Were to how it was reported so it wasn't even just a black or white thing. Then you would just community Shor shor and so and so in a broader sense. Talk to me about what all of this means. In terms of shaping flint I particularly since the entire nation knows about the the water crisis And so So you've seen for the last several Oh years The face of essentially poverty of an urban crisis in terms of the water and things like that and so oh nationally people have already have a sense of you know of a downtrodden type of area and then you add onto it. You know three people who are running for State Rep You're right are are now are have run into some sort of trouble so talk to me about in a broader. Persson's what what this this sort of does to flit. Well you know. We are fighters no matter what we are we're fighters in people who live and work and Part of this community already know what kind of people we are despite with with the what the world thinks of us so we're GONNA do regardless But it is important. You kind kind of changed the narrative of how how we report community And how we shape. Yeah I know the dire it is the the more The more people will read or see see because of Situation in Flint was horrific. And we're we're we're still recovering from it. I mean it was it is it has impacted it not only physically mentally and it is a huge recovering. That's taking place right now so oh even Even from the surface if he were to come here you know you don't you know we're real real rebuilding But there's people that are still in pain you're still her and it's still going to Travesty he knows just like any community there's poverty and And it's time to change range. You know change the narrative on how we're GONNA help these communities and what people are doing to help communities and I think those stories need to Be reported reported and come out Even more so people can say hey. I want to contribute to this foundation or this inter team. Because they're bringing bring in resources or they're doing things positive for the community. I think reporters and You know even though the positive stories I don't get necessarily the clicks but those stories are still matter and they still in the right way Gin Gin garnered just just with much traffic but and I think to Working here at the Fort Registry We we strive to To uplift and show the positive you because there are wonderful kids here and there are wonderful people here that are doing and working and Doing the best that they can. And we once you always reflect that always was like that so Even with what I do when my communication that always go out. I don't Wanna I try to only show the positive And I think that And we've been getting a lot of news coverage to because you know we were trying to show the positive. We're trying to show that we're trying to recover. We're we're trying to give recovery and I think more stories like that in the community whether that Flint Baltimore Chicago whatever those story mean to be shared gene told And you know maybe help change the narrative sure four and so Movie passed this particular incident Then sort of talk about Your new chapter Now checking on this issue. So what are your plans. Going forward. what types of what more Things do you have planned. I know you said you have a mixture coming up row soon But yeah tell me about what. Tell me about this chapter How many people that are in the chapter and Um on some of the things that you're planning on planning doing yeah so This new chapter We have an were like when I think brand new brand new so The Core Group of us is our Board so we've got Six of us the president. And then we have. Bob Johnson is MI vice vp of broadcasts. We have Jamal Bradford. He's he's the VP of DP of broadcast No I'm sorry Bob Johnson is the VP Prints and Jamaa is the broadcast and so we have Why is it we Jamie Sherard she best Becker Terry Cj Stones are treasurer and Jasmine brown she either parliamentarians and so That's our core group and We have about forty people in our over forty six about forty people in our facebook group that Potentially have said we are interested in. We want to join and the mixer is a filling out your application and you're paying your do right ahead coming up boom number so That's part of the mix nurse slash membership dry. Basically and though they'll won't be a deadline of course get everybody fully fully full members by at least January thirty first and so So we're hoping that all four reading you sticks folks will become number four because I can't make it okay. Forty five forty forty five and then we why does change it for forty five because of other reasons but you know right right right. We'll say forty six forty forty six so So we're we're trying to Make sure we get everybody 'cause we had we had to get a bank account. We we now finally fed up with that finally said literally leap within weeks getting all that set up because we had paperwork and comics. Oh we're finally set up on that in so now we can start collecting do so. This is like okay. We can quite news now like It's the right so we've got that together And so we're holding hoping we're inviting. The mayor is say he's coming in there. We've got Choi Mandatory Book the Clinton Mayor he said he would coming and a lot of folks to our NPR and Journalism plant plans to attend and even a couple of folks who works for the Genesee Chamber of Commerce are coming There is a snowstorm on the radar. And I'm hoping that will deter anyone right right But we're looking. They still come Is Open to any wasn't just kind of learning a little bit about Mix around and kind of Help US get started on. Goal for the year is to start having professional development Teaching excuse me teaching pro. Look I'm Teaching people in and out do take love journalism and PR working with them. Okay little mice right so On what types of things do you hope will come out of all of this and What type of help do you think you may need? We definitely mean Financial Health of course. We need financial help because in order for us to do programs and move forward were definitely need financial help so people can donate people can Comes on or whatnot but we definitely need financial. It'll help so we can start collaborating and doing some programs. I'm going to do scholarships for King who are interested in journalism NPR so We're hoping we can definitely You know do do more okay. And as we wrap up Give us give our listeners. Your final thoughts awesome everything that we've talked about today and A little bit more information on how people can get involved within a J. If they're interested definitely definitely Definitely follow us on facebook twitter. INSTAGRAM definitely Support we we have been very efforts. Definitely come out to our and then decided Ian's just just support what advocacy for good journalism journalism and final thoughts on everything that we talked about. I I I it you know. As far as the final bugs you know. Really proud of his. We worked hard to get it started. I look forward to a year of some really good Programming and connecting and getting involved in the community and just you know connecting with our community to cause a lot of folks you know we we report the stories but they don't get to know any of the people you know who you know reporters and everything that talk so being able to Open ourselves up to you kind of help. Young my WanNa get the apart of journalism. I did get. I was in contact with the Michigan. State president for innovators President Ab Day at Michigan State University. She wants professionals to come and do like a mock career airfare so things like that and she didn't have that connection before so now she's able to have a connection and we're only thirty minutes away so being able to do something my bad And being here and being able to Be a model for young journalists who I want to do the right way. report the right way and so. That's our job to Kinda Kate that thank you ebony. I I appreciate you coming on coming on the show. I want to say that I certainly understand where you are because I sat in your shoes as as the Detroit. Detroit president of In a BJ years and years ago. So I understand completely everything that you're going through and And the issues that you've taken on One of the things that that I would instruct people in the community on is is to challenge. Enjoy our media in terms of How we cover particularly in Detroit Detroit kind of gets kind of kind of gets covered through its institutions institutions. The Fire Department. The Police Department The scoreboard City Council the mayor that sort of thing and we have to get beyond that in go into the neighborhoods and find the stories that are going with the with with Other people that live within the community versus is how we sort of Cover the slice of life in the suburban areas in Metro Detroit. And so that that is what I see as as an important way of sort of Getting better at at what we do And trying to make sure sure that that there is a place in a voice for African American people to let people to to be able to Get their information out. And so that is that is to me. That's that's the key Key try to be balanced. And what we you do absolutely. That's all people want us to do you balance be fair And that's it balances. They're all right. Well well thank you again. I appreciate you Being on the show This afternoon Lewis and absolutely and and with that. We're going to wrap up. Aw this latest edition of beyond the headlines. I'm your host. Darren nickel as we leave beyond the headlines. This week. I WanNa give you as we always do an inspirational quote that you can ponder this week. This one is from Dr Benjamin E. Mays the former president of Morehouse College. It must be born in mind. Signed that tragedy of life does not lie in reaching your goal. The tragedy of life lies in having no goal to reach each until next time. We'll see you on beyond the headlines the.

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 What is the influence of Black voices in media and television?

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What is the influence of Black voices in media and television?

"Pre-and? And you're listening to cricket conversations. On today's episode. I talked to my friend, Mr Lewis car about his life in B T in his positions there at hope you enjoy it. Today. I am sitting with Louis car who is the president of media cells at B T. He also has a bachelors in journalism from Drake university and his written two books titled dirty little secrets in the little black book daily motivation for business and personal growth. I am so excited to be here and have this conversation. And so I guess there's want everyone to know who you are. And what your working tells? And so what exactly do you do at BT, and what is the daily life of Louis car? Nice to be here. Winter what I do is. I educate marketers on the value of black consumers, so primarily we work with major corporations on how they should send a direct invitation to whether it's genetics Jains e millennials to attract them and influence them on using. Products services. That's amazing. And it's been thirty two years at the thirty third year thirty third year. That's a loss started. When I was five why? L O out. Do. I know reading the story about how you came into the BT business. And when you join was like very very early on when BT started key like tell us about that journey and like what exactly happened? I read like an interview you did. And it was so fascinating. My best friend whose name is. Kevin new introduced me to Bob Johnson, the founder of BT that particular time, I was working for black enterprise magazine and had no desire to leave or do anything different met with Bob probably on a Tuesday told him, thanks, but no, thanks. Then we met probably a month later told him. Thanks, but no, thanks. And then we met for third time. And I finally said maybe this is something outta do. And being able to have a relationship with the founder and CEO is a very special thing because not only do you get the access, but you get the education and the mentoring. So Bob is still a good friend and a good mentor today. So that's how I got into the BT family, and we are very small, then probably. Probably about five million subscribers and proud about five million dollars in revenue. We currently right now. Our over eighty million subscribers, and we probably are close to a billion dollars in revenue. That's an like that's beyond mazing. Like, a fun fact about the I mean BT made for black history facts BT made the first black millionaire billionaire, which was Robert bottles. Call him. We call him, Bob. And so we're just talking about their life in influence that mentors have had on. You always say that you did not get here alone. And that there are a lot of people who invested in you, what was it like growing up in Chicago. And who are those people who invested in you, and how do you think other adults, and what's the responsibility for them like feedback into the community? Well, I grew up poor. I didn't know I was poor. When I was growing up matter of fact, I probably wanted to fight you. If you told me I was poor because I thought I was middle class. I didn't find I was Portelli went to college and realize, oh, I'm really poor really really really poor. But I was a kid that was just having fun. I didn't have a lot of issues concerns did pretty good in school. But I always had people telling me, I was special starting with my mother, and I needed to do special things, and I need to hang out with, you know, the smart kids things like that. And of course, you know, I didn't wanna do that. But it it started to sort of snowball for me. So I had my mother telling me, I was special neighbors, I had teachers coaches and the more they told me just like a lot of young people the more I wanted to resist it. So that's why I talk about in my book never fight or be resistant when p. People tell you are special because they use the concede something in you that you couldn't see in yourself. And I think that was my journey. I couldn't see that. So I really need other people to sort of, you know, helped me realize that helped me see it for myself, and the sort of turning moment for me was when I was a junior high school, and I had a coach who was upset at me at that particular time, and he said, you need to make up your mind right now, whether you just want to be good or whether you wanna be great. And at that point. I didn't know it was my decision on whether I wanted to be good great. And I asked him this question. What do the people who become great do that the people who are just good don't do? And he said with that question. You've already answered you wanna be great so lineup and follow my direction. So from that moment on I realized that I had the choice to. Be great that it was all up to me was nobody else's responsibility. But mine so that impact really sort of made me so to be responsible for my own actions in my own future. So I wanna talk about something after when it comes to being great and your high school experience because as reading a lot about you being a track star and some dope stories out that. But to keep things like streamlined in this particular particular moment growing up, and then being in high school and having people tell you or special and then knowing that there was something that did set you apart. How did you or win? Did you realize that media and the space was summary? You wanted to go into and what inspired you to get into this space didn't rumors it it was once again other people around me had a college professor by the name of Jim Dunkin who basically sort of guided me towards media, and he guided me towards media sales with I don't know. I don't wanna do that. I wanna be in front of the camera. I want to be in front of the Mike, you know, as athlete I had a little ego. I'm like I wanna be seen. I want people to hear what I gotta say. But he kept encouraging me even from a freshman in college that I needed to go into media cell. So he got me internships at radio stations in the sales department. And I was like, it's okay. You know around professionals is giving me experience. But that was not the thing. I wanted to do I really wanted to be in front of a Mike. Well, and so the so many things that you saying that just going full circle into all the questions I had for you, especially concerning internship, so talking about this this mentorship in. This fact, there's a lot of people who invested in you, you decide to start your own foundation. Do you wanna talk about that the reason I started my foundation, which is internship foundation because through having one of my own and also being an employer. I realized how important that experience can be too young person it teaches them. Plan steep teaches them responsibility. It teaches them just how to act maneuver in a corporate environment. So I wanted to sort of give back to young people that had been given to me. So I know how it had an impact on me. And I really want to have that same impact on his many young people as I possibly can because even today our industry, especially in the back room air in the business air is not diverse. So I wanted to make sure that people which I call a dirty little secret new of the tremendous opportunities to sort of change your life change, your family's life change, your financial future by being in this industry. So sifting curious to kinda just focusing on just be T and its legacy and its impact within the black community won't be was founded in nineteen eighty as you said, it wasn't as big at first, you know, of course, everything has to grow. But did you see it's trajectory at that time when you joined up -solutely, I don't think anybody did. I don't even think Bob Johnson solid at that particular time, we believe that our growth has really been dependent on our consumers, and what they demand and what they desire from media companies, and we try to live up to that current mission statement is to entertain engage and empower I think that a lot of brands can talk about the entertainment and engage portion. I think very few can talk about the empowerment portion we wanna be able to give them sort of information and really inspire them to. To be their best self, and we try to do that through all of our particular platforms. Whether it's digital whether it's linear, whether it's social to really help them sort of take the reins and really run with them. I mean, I just remember bts influence on my life as a young kid. I mean, I watched Moby low key before my time. But I was someone who wants Melissa little bell went on six park with something us interested in and then we've kind of seen this evolution of black characters on television. How has the black character evolved on television over time? And where do you see it going in the future? Well, we we have to sort of have the balance of giving consumers what they want which is a lot of times entertainment and also giving them what they need and a lot of times, that's news and information. So we try to do that balance. I think we find ourselves sometimes in a very precarious situation. Where you know reality shows, you know, show all type of craziness from people getting head hitting the head with champagne bottles and all of that. We know as a brand we can't go there are consumers have told us. No, you have a bigger purpose. We want you to show all sides of our community, but a little less of that side because everybody else's going there. So we really try to spend a lot of time on consumer research and insight as I say in speeches, we know more about black people than anybody on the planet. Now because we're just black. But because we put the work in understand them and understand that legacy and their project ary, and so as we're just talking about this whole idea of just Evelyn of company, and it's just the media landscape in general has changed so quickly. I mean when BT started I guess it was like the first black cable television network in like today. No one really uses cable. That's not really something. I know about to like the because I'm a streamer. Oh me winter times. Mister car. I don't work on the low together with some things. But. Yes. So how do you see like BT in the way that media's consumed and specially with jen's e being this large generation that a lot of brands are trying to understand better. How is shifting with the change in the media landscape? Well, first of all we have to meet consumers where they are. So whether they're linear television, whether digital whether it's social whether it is at events, we as a brand strive to meet consumers where they are and tried to engage them and understand them exactly where they are. So if you look at our social channels in the things, we put out there, if you look at our digital platform, if you look at linear platform, we know that most consumers do a lot of different things some more than others. So our particular goal is to engage and communicate with them exactly where they are. And just meeting people where they are. You are in charge of BT and then working with advertise. Tsars also responsible for bringing over four point five billion billion dollars to just be media sales and advertising to the black community. Why do you think it's well, we know it's important for people to advertise too, many because of black dollar is valuable, but how do you convince like the brands and people you're working with to invest in us? We try to educate them on the value that you guys have not only to the black community. But how you influence outside the black, right? What we say is what black people do today the world does tomorrow. Whether that's a music, that's technology with that's an art and fashion. Whatever the case may be we are trendsetters, no doubt about that. So it's not that just black people follow the transit's. Everybody follows the trend. So we we've done research that says most groups whether they white Hispanic Asian. Believe that young black people are the influence of just about everything that they I mean, there's not one lie there. Oh, okay. Cool. So this February which is like black history month, obviously. And it's also starting to be Queen black features month. I went to play a little bit of like just pretty easy. I think Chicago flack history trivia, okay, since you're from Chicago. So I'm just to give you some questions. I mean us see if you have an answer. They're they're pretty they're pretty simple your any. I guess. Okay, burst question. I can already tell his hard. Can't you get it out? It's pretty easy. Okay. Which ACOG native was the first black woman and space. First black woman space was the cognitive know that man Jameson. Yeah. That's right. Danger. Birthing you didn't necessarily because. Chicago. Warning saying that. Is it easy one? I think Michael Jordan play the what position on the bulls for. Yeah. Cool. I didn't know that. That's actually like one of our trivia questions at dinner last night. You know, solid. Okay. Cool. I think that was my trivia. Okay. Well, see was it hard to her pretty easy. Stop you. We'll be back with Mr Lewis car after this break. 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Why is it that you decided to reach out to us and like work with us? And why do you think is important to listen to young people in your space? Well, I do believe that you drive trends, I believe that you have impact on multiple categories and businesses, and as we initially started talking people usually talk about you, and they don't talk to you. So I wanted to be that person that talked to you to be able to talk about you. And I believe that the more that we understand how you think what you like what you dislike and what you do to better that brands will be able to serve you now and in the future. So this is not just about today. It is about the future. I do believe that your impact and that Jin's ears and gen X and millennials really do drive. What businesses will be doing three years five years ten years down the road? So is so important from a business standpoint. I also think it's important from a community standpoint. Because. You guys are future. We need to understand exactly how you think in what you think and what's important to you and really able to have a strong relationship. So I think is sort of a give and take from me personally, as you know, I'm having a ball. The most thing of the week. So I think it's important for business standpoint, a community standpoint and a personal standpoint as I always say nobody needs wants a make over everybody wants to stay out in front and not have to be made over. So I want to be a part of that process in helping that only educate myself and the audience and the BT executives, but also educating our community, and the fact that this in our relationship has been where it is already a troubling act. You know, it's not very many businesses who actually talk to young people and they're trying to market to them. They have think tanks, and they have big ole meetings. When it's like a full of pretty much old people talking about like our generation. So I wanted to ask you, what is something that you've learned and talking with young people Juvin general I've learned. Awful lot. I've learned that. You are extremely smart and woke as you would say about a lot of issues, whether they are politics, whether they are industries, whether their education that you're not living in a bubble that you really are educated and engage yourself in so many different things and your opinions are fresh in new when we asked the question about if you only had one thing you could solve what was it? I think that was enlightening to me about you guys answer, we asked you about quick service restaurants, and some of your answers was enlightening. So I don't think people can use history to sort of judge what the future's going to be like with young people because you do have a mind of your own and you're in a world that give you so much access to so much. Information so fast, which I think is absolutely great. And I'm jealous. I can't even imagine a time. Like someone was since it is black history just history in general where like you had to go to a library, and there was a library card and somehow like the card reference like a book number on shelf. And like, that's how all research was done in like college. I'm like that. Just sounds outer world. Head the internet. Let the world on fire. Thank you so much for being here. And yeah, this is such a great conversation. Thank you. Thanks for listening. Check back next week for another great conversation from the crooked media network.

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Finding Solutions: Stanley Druckenmiller, Harlem Childrens Zone, & Richard Parsons

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Finding Solutions: Stanley Druckenmiller, Harlem Childrens Zone, & Richard Parsons

"This CNBC podcast is sponsored by capital group home of American funds. Their long-term approach helps you say I can't find a firm with nearly ninety years of experience navigating market volatility visit capital group DOT com slash market volatility American, Funds Distributors Inc... This is squawk pod. I'm CNBC producer Katie Kramer today supersized podcast. Let's to great interviews. Richard Parsons as in unrest after eleven straight days of protests. In Major American cities. In. The former chairman of time, Warner city CBS and the La Clippers on the business world's road ahead. With Disney the problem that money. And legendary investor Stanley druckenmiller on the surprising market rally, and his investments, the bad and the good Dr Lot of investing in my life I've had some Mrs, and I've had some huge wins the best. I've ever made in. My Life was the Harlem Children's zone and that organizations incoming CEO? kwami, elusive cascais topple just the fear of death is economic insecurity food insecurity housing insecurity. Despite all of that, there is still a great sense of hope as a reason why the hog children don't exist. It's Tuesday. June ninth, Twenty Twenty Squawk Pot begins right now. Good morning everybody welcome to Squawk box here on CNBC. I'm becky. Quick along with Joe. Kernan Andrew Ross Sorkin. Our next guest says that diversity in the workplace is just one of the many issues that corporate America needs to tackle joining us right now to talk about that, and of course media as well as Dick Parsons, he is currently a senior advisor at Providence Equity Partners a private equity firm that specializes in media, communications and information companies and Dick Thank you for being with us. It's been far too long since we've gotten the chance to talk with you on air. How are you? To be world you and again. We're doing okay. We're hanging in there. You Know Dick been thinking a lot about the roles that you take on I always kind of think of you as a statesman, because you're somebody who came in to Time Warner and took over as chairman and CEO in two thousand and two after that disastrous. Merger with AOL then you took over as chairman at Citi Group in the midst of the financial crisis when that company was suffering so much, and then I think back to two thousand fourteen when you were the interim CEO at the La Clippers and had to come in there after the owner. Donald Sterling was forced out of the MBA banned for life after he was caught making some racist comments, so you are a guy who who fixes and heels and I just wonder as you look at where our country is right now where you look at businesses how you would go about trying to fix and heal what you see happening. To be questioned. both probably really actually right. How do we? How do we move forward and I don't think we can move votes where we are without some fixing some Hewitt. You Know I. I'll be like everybody else in the country I've been watching what's going on? With a sense, not only as a sort of of horror at the at the raw, Actions that are being taken, but it's a real sense of. Loss because this isn't the first time. by any six imagination or Older. You Doing, and. I go back to the nineteen sixty. Eight is the last time we had. Big Lights Century and late sixties in Business Johnson appointed somebody called to his commissioned. Rested coming on the current mission. And they reported on. You know the causes of that unrest. And if you read through that report, it could have been written a week ago. you know things have changed the. Fundamental things haven't changed. We haven't really healed some really. Centuries, old wounds and dealt with them in a way that you could then pilot top effective. Real action, so we don't. Stumble over this rough again another fifty. So what would I do? That's that's that's that's A. Question, but I think you have to start with. Kind of. The underlying. Causes of these kinds of ups, which frankly and. The. Clients. In in racism. And deal with that as opposed to putting bandaids topic. Ain't get down to You know how people think and feel about each other, because how people think and seal they infuses. All of our institutions and our actions. That's that's. That's. The -firmative which those institutions and accidentally boy, and and and and they reflect. Those feelings, those coach you buy it. When you just have to. Get after that in order to make change. I don't know how to go about changing how people feel how they feel about each other other than trying to get to know each other a little bit better, we we have heard a lot of business leaders who have stepped up this week and and said that they're going to be addressing this, but not just given talk. A lot of them have also donated money, and in some cases some. Some pretty large amounts to try and get after some of the effects of that underlying issue, trying to make sure that there's better access to healthcare trying to make sure that there's better access to finance so that you can start your own business that you can get a loan to to buy a house something along those lines. What what what do you think business leaders should be doing here Dick? Lebeau. START WITH the notion that all of that is. Obviously you know providing trying to level the playing field by providing better healthcare. Housing. Education. Is Good and. You know it it has. been. you know I don't think they hadn't been through much of the stuff that was done. After the current commission to the eight. Early seventy I don't think I would have made it as far as I made. But I think that there's a part of the some and I probably. A seminal fundamental part of the. That can't be solved with just months, and you know while business business is. Shaping up, you know. Very little has running time on it. I got in trouble a couple of times. Suggesting that a CPO responsibility. Beyond. Simply considering. Might versus no, that's not what God. Guys can maximize show. Step I think more and more and more. And Corporate America is realizing that We'd company then small. That several consider that. To be sure, but you also have your employees. The community and what you're seeing now is a lot more companies. Steering the boat into the headlines dealing with employee as a constituency and community, and that's good. But. That's going to really be transformational in terms of solving the problem with these countries. For for. Centuries. I think not I, think. You actually. You actually gave the. The headline and then. We have to get to know each other and appreciate each other, and not be afraid of each other going forward for. Or a society would still be town down notion that arise out of. Defending equality between. Races and An all the money in the world. Has Changed. In my lifetime. I remember in two thousand fourteen when you were serving as interim CEO to the La Clippers, you joined us on Squawk and you came on set with us when we were talking a little bit about it, and for those who don't remember it was Donald Sterling made some incredibly racist comments in in tapes to his girlfriend at the time, saying things like she shouldn't be hanging out with African Americans or black people she shouldn't be. Making social media posts with them. She shouldn't be bringing Magic Johnson to the La Clippers Games somehow that video got out and I. Remember talking to you at the time because there was debate just six years ago about whether he should be banned from the NBA whether he should be forced to sell the clippers, and I remember the comment you made at the time. Was You said that the line had changed and was moving very rapidly and here we are six years later a longtime later. I just wonder where the line is now. How rapidly this is changing, and either how tired you are of waiting for this or how optimistic you are about where we might be headed as a society. Of course because if he is who sure dynamic. Process I think. At some level. Surface levels. The line has changed a lot people are. African Americans are now. Virtually everywhere you can find folks who may not be there in proportionate number because they're in the halls of Congress there running. Large, parts of the American economy into intended being CEO's a big business. They're police. Chiefs there may is there are all sorts of things? But. not enough. and as I said. You still you know you. SWATS African American community. That They were. As I said nineteen sixty eight last time we as a country resort results to look at this. And try and do something so I live movement. It's not fast enough and and. I don't think it's. Up. Let me. Let me just read you something because you're against. and. I remember I don't think arrive. Current Commission! Court. After doing a thorough going study of what led the rise? Know around the country. To. Mention can do not include. Unrest for the product. A wide range of racial and economic injustice. Ranging from inadequate schools and housing. Poverty. Ways. Probably opinion probably wage jobs and discriminatory treatment from police and the criminal justice system. as I said that that could. To use ago. so that? Has Been Changed and the door has opened somewhat. For African American cheese. Hasn't you don't be doing wide enough. It's Joe Carter. That's that's appoint professor West Cornel. West made it that. That I thought was appropriate. Some some said you know you look at the black middle class you look at. All the gains that have been made in corporations and you see you know we had a black president was reelected. He said fine. That's all great, but. They're still unequal opportunity for a vast number of. Black Children in urban areas and that's that's a glacial move. It sort of try to improve that, so my question to you is we had Bob Johnson on Robert Johnson of the. He was talking about actual reparations of fourteen trillion dollars, and we had Jeff Canada on last week and I'm just wondering. I mean it would still take, but you could go big and scalable on on what they've done with Harlem Children's zone or maybe opportunities, zones, or you go even more shock and awe with what Bob Johnson is talking about. What would you think is feasible? What do you think? Would work. More effective. Hey Joe, how are you? It's good to hear from me. Today. You know I don't want to. Necessarily dissociation into immediate controversy, but I think. That this is the problem that money wrong. Consult Right. Even if you go big, I mean the government went big. We spent billions on the great society and and there was a result of course, but it wasn't. It wasn't what one might think if you spent that kind of money to solve this problem. You know Becky said something earlier that that. Sounds simple, but it's at the essence. Of the solution I can. Say unless let's get to know each other better. I. I once worked pretty closely. Can't. Go. Back Visit Republican congressman. State new. York is also a former. All pro an NFL football great quarterback. and. He was on the Board of House even. We conversation one day. He and burning good myself about. You know his commitment to the cause and. You know I didn't grow up with with. With the black market because but I played with them. And what I learned was. When I got. No different than me. Really I mean. The same thing family for themselves. That's the same jokes and I may good friend black because. Of. Yet association I got in those. And the fear that. Most right American Patty back the online about blacks. went away. And so. I think. We have to figure out some way. To introduce ourselves to each other. Put it that way. instead of sensitivity training. have get to know me training and get to know each other. Where where you know the beliefs, the other walked in the back of people's minds, cultural and Say, in shoes. Every part of society because. You know those things Canarios. Somehow we have to at that and not just a matter of throwing more money. Into Copeland to elevate blacks. No, that's going to be necessary at the end of the day anyway. You know you've got to educate people I gotta give them decent house in a decent. But that's not going to be enough, so you know I I read about five. This Guy Smart Guy. I don't know that super handing over fourteen two dollars. Group of people and saying here now you know. Case you now Equal or your injury been paid for go for us in multiple I don't think that into. And I think that business in particular. Can't possibly put up the kind of resources that the government can that's going to be needed to really level playing. But I think we need to do more than just. Trying by our way out. Now having said that we're all. The effort to lots of corporations and making to really look after the could a good and and commendable. Just suggesting. Not to answer. The question I would ask you and by the way I think you're one hundred percent right, which is yet to get people together, and you gotta get together early and I think Ken. Frazier who is on our broadcast last week and talked about being bossed, frankly ninety minutes every single morning. To school all the way across town in not only help and get a great education, but created a different type of network for him and he talked about that. The question I was GonNa. Ask you though is from at a business level whether you think that companies which put out these targets. In terms of. Diversity on boards, diversity and management. What needs to happen there and you're seeing companies like Goldman Sachs say we're not gonNA. Take a company public unless they have to diverse board members. You're seeing states like California actually put it into law and say if you're a publicly traded company based in this in this state. We want you to have X. number of people that was based on gender. I mean. Do you think we have to do this in a more systematic, if not regulated way? Well I. Use the term that for business guy, send the a red flag regulated way I. I wouldn't be for that. In a more systematic way anymore intentional way. Yes, it is good to have you know. That served on any number of boys, and it's good to have perverse. Perspectives and voices, the board tape, but essentially director of the company. You have you know various ide- -ciary duties which define you know not only by law in the common law, an incompetent to the owners of the company as well as the employees as well as thinking. that. Means that you can't sort of say well, you know. We used to make shoes, but now we ought to do something else to help. Move. The needle in terms of diversity perspective in other words I'm not saying very particularly, but you're you're you're a diverse voice? In A. Predetermined set of the decades. And System. so while it's good again. Not It's not the whole landscape. And I think what you. See more more core company Intentionally. Attention Their board in they're seeing delays it. But it's going to make transformational difference. In so. Hey deck occurs to me that This is all happening at a pretty inopportune time just from the economic perspective It is far harder to to lift all boats in an economic crisis, and that's certainly what we're facing this right now. Even though the markets come back, you were talking about companies that are not going to have the revenue that they had anticipated for this year. You were talking about companies that are talking about laying off en masse to try make up for that pay cuts that have come in other places, so trying to make this happen under that backdrop is much more difficult. We did see that the. The unemployment rate for the month of May was below what people had been anticipating, and that's what we learned on Friday, but within that in the African. American community it did tick slightly higher. So how how do you make it happen with the added complication of that backdrop? That's. That's the sixty four dollar question sixty four thousand dollar question. I think you. You just point to real world. Constraints We had a board meeting Estee Lauder yesterday, Grandma and boy. When they've come up with a very thoughtful thoughtful approach to. Making sure that they do an even better, that's a company happens to to a pretty good job on. You're. Not Just African American. You know women in particular gays it'll be. I mean the sweep of about. Exit. But, the reality is because of the impact is covert pandemic. Business. Prior to consider missus accompanied putting hiring fees, no higher. Between now and the end of the year. and so. How do you? How do you deal with trying to balance up? Your employment scale and When you have. Anybody I think a lot of companies save that and I think it will. It will moderate. Slow down the progress with WANNA see. A lot of American companies, we moving towards a more diverse face to the public and into. Stuff. Is You know it's going to be a challenge. But I think what what what will help. Me More transparency in more more CEO's more senior corporate managers, talking about what the intention. Remarking where we are now and learning, explaining to their employees, days nab. Show. What what? The game is going forward so that people can't leave mark. Progress and understand. Through transparency! What's going that'll help. Take want to thank you for being with us today. It's really good to talk to you. It's been far too long, and we appreciate your thoughtfulness on this incredibly difficult topic. Critic you A. Andrew. Nice to all of you. hopefully we can good again to. Thank you. NEXT ON SPARK PA the Harlem. Children's working communities and well-known investors to disrupt the systemic barriers to opportunity with operations in those are big to benefit from the tape that has happened in the market. It's on the question becomes. How are we being reinvesting those profits back into the communities on the community level to ensure that we unlocking great potential that exists on. Color all across the nation. We'll be right back. This CNBC podcast is by capital group home of American funds. Their long-term approach helps you say I can't find a firm. Nearly Ninety years of experience navigating market volatility visit capital group DOT com slash market volatility American funds distributors. Inc... Welcome back to squawk. Last week on the Pod we brought you an extended interview with Jeffrey Canada. Activist and president of Harlem. Children's zone in New York. You can still find that episode on your feed from June second if you missed it. Harlem Children's zone provides cradle to career, support and infrastructure investment in poor communities. It started in Harlem, but its ambitions extend far beyond NYC I think it's time for a massive community infrastructure investment in this country. This is more than just school. We gotta rebuild a health in the mental health system. Help with housing and make sure that they're the parks playgrounds. Safe places for our kids and families to go. I've spent my life doing this at the Harlem. Children's zone we feel movement around this country for Geoffrey Canada, and for everyone who works with HCC support for poor American communities is about breaking the cycle of racial economic opportunity inequality in this country, one of Canada's decades-long partners on this project. One of the guests you'll hear next legendary investor Stanley Druckenmiller as you'll hear, Jeff helped shape stands, philanthropy, and also his life chances. Are you know Stanley Druckenmiller as a billionaire hedge funder, or maybe as a former manager for another legendary investor George Soros today. He's joined my incoming CEO Harlem Children's zone. kwami, Cascais. Here's Joe, Kernan the. Children's Oh has been investing in education and support for children of New York City for many many years stand. druckenmiller has been investing in Harlem Children's zone since almost the beginning now, the initiative is hoping to expand what it's learned. New York across the country. Join a stand, Druckenmiller CEO of the Duquesne Family Office Chairman of the Board of Harlem. Children's zone and Kwami a Wu Qaissi incoming CEO of the Harlem Children's zone think in July kwami. So you know it's. Doubts, you're getting close. I. Think you're GONNA BE GREAT YOU'RE GONNA to go through Stan Cameron on the board, so we had jeff on last week Jeff. Kenna for. Interview and I think we've got a pretty good idea. Not everyone does of exactly what happens there. Can you summarize again for maybe people that didn't see that interview, but it's not just schools. It's almost a cradle to the job. All encompassing holistic approach, even fixing dilapidated buildings, fixing parks childcare parent programs it's it's a lot of Listrik. Did you go into that a little bit? Place the mission of the? Zone as bring intergenerational cycle of poverty on where we are building up opportunities for children for families and for the community so that they can thrive. In school, and in life and at home, so one of the Communist perceptions about the work that we do at the Harlem. Children's zone is that we're just the charter school, and while we have two excellent K. through twelve charter schools. There's a whole host the wraparound services on that we provide for all of this ages of development from birth through college. So in essence it is a comprehensive set of services on where we're building pathways and building up opportunities for folks, mobility and Prosperity Stan. You were one of the early investors in at. You've pointed out when you invested. Took big positions with with a lot of impact in those position it used to be philanthropy was like the arts are hospitals, but now you early, but you think the time is right for this type of philanthropy. It's expensive detail oriented. But you can actually see results, because there's no magic bullet for a lot of these these intractable problems. Exactly Joe this. This started way back in the early ninety s when I met Jeff Canada. And I worked with him on the Board of Regents Center for children and families and spending four or five years with him. Up there in Harlem I could see that the American dream that I was living. Just was not possible for hundreds of thousands of kids. And specifically tens of thousands in central Harlem, but across the nation. I was learning. What these kind of situations where I grew up in this country. Loving this country believing the story. If you pull up your boot straps, anybody can succeed. And I had the background where that were with. That was enabled, and I was able to succeed. But Looking at Central Harlem Twenty five years ago, it was such a taxes toxic environment that have been marred by disinvestment in education health infrastructure. Everywhere you walk were dilapidated buildings. If didn't look safe for the kids. And when Jeff came to me and opposed, and I had already known for four. Years Harlem Children's zone to try to level the playing field and make that neighborhood. Similar to the middle class neighborhoods across country where children would have the opportunity to succeed, not guaranteed for success, but just the shot a shot at the American dream. I was all in. I was all in A. Because you had to have I last week I known them for years I believed at the time he was the most extraordinary leader I had ever Matt I. Still believe that and in my business career I like making big bets, and particularly on great managements, and this was a massive massive investment. That I knew there was a lot of risks to it. The base the Jeff. Cantor told me to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge with him. I probably would have done it. So when he proposes this idea where I was already just sort of sick, and by what I saw that this neighborhood, which by the way was almost all black and brown children just wasn't giving kids the opportunity to succeed that I had had so. We made the bed together and. Jeff delivered. Over and over again hit hard on Harlem. Children's zone has been a huge success. One of the things I've done that. That is interesting to me. Is Jeff was succeeded by another great leader and Williams? Ice On the transition was smooth as I had ever seen in any corporate. Situation I ended phenomenal job, so we've had two great, African, American leaders, and as you mentioned Wami is such takeover alive I so we will have had three generations of African American leading the Harlem. which if you look at the folks is probably the most successful intervention in. Place based work in this country, and we want it to be scalable, and that's the question hearing Kwami you. Quote you hear the national collective consciousness as prime to act right now it's time to act. This is this is when. Consciousness has been raised at the point where it's not going to be. Let's go back to normal. How is that going to be part of your mission and and It has moved to more than just Harlem this this whole concept, but it'd be a huge undertaking to do it in every neighborhood. That needs it very expensive, so is that you're a young guy. You're. Had some time on Wall Street and then got an MBA from Harvard I. mean you probably got to do? But is it going to be focus just where you are now or we're GONNA? Take this scalable so Angela. Zone in. Central Harlem is absolutely scalable scalable. It has always been a part of our mission onto being example and. Older the standard of excellence of what it takes to do this work on the ground, and be able to share them with poor communities all across the nation, and as you had mentioned, the time to act is now, and we exist as entity I'm for what we're seeing playing out daily in the news the daily reminders of the systemic inequality, the justices and that's causing a lot of mixed emotions on the ground with with the folks that we serve right there. There's anger. Sadness and. Not only just because of the the social justice environment, but this is all along the backdrop of a pandemic. That is devastating our community where we're Blackie, three point six times more likely to die than their white counterparts on top of the fear of death there is. Economic Insecurity Food Insecurity Housing Insecurity all on again. An. Impending Mental Health crisis. That's going to cause a continue to cause devastation within the communities I'm yet. Despite all of that, there's still a great sense of hope. A great sense of fighting spirit. I'm almost our community. That is the reason why then he hated my life to this work. There's a reason why the children's own exist, and we believe as we continue to to codify best practices as Dan mentioned. We have a generation of evidence about what works on the ground so when you think about the the seven thousand parents that have graduated through our baby. Baby College the two thousand or euros that continue to to graduate and enter kindergarten school ready the elimination of the black white achievement gap, and our charter schools out to K. through twelve charter schools, the nine hundred and fifty students that we have on college, and in addition to all of the round services. We have a healthy Harlem initiative where where dedicated to eradicating childhood obesity and we're seeing. The rates of obesity diminish given the efforts that we have there. I'm so again this the comprehensive set of services that we offer the evidence base that we have that we know that works We are able to continue to share that with practitioners all the processed field out since the early two thousands. We've had over five hundred communities. Come visit us here at the home. Chill zone across the United States seventy plus different countries, so everybody understands that is going to take comprehensive set of services at the neighborhood level where we hold each other accountable for real outcomes and I absolutely believe our model. Air Scalable. Both of you gentlemen are. Emphasized the private sector in doing a public private sector, and that's what I want you to try to explain to me staying because it's not, it almost sounds like you want government funds, but you want private sector oversight to make sure that it's done properly or something and you. Can you explain what you're talking about there? Yeah, I'd also say John. I'm incredibly optimistic. This this model is scalable. And I'm about as hopeful as I've ever been. Twenty percent of philanthropy goes into the social sector that was almost zero twenty or thirty years ago and it needs to go north. And only four percent of leaders. In philanthropy are black and Latino but I've been around the country. I've met tremendous social leaders in that I think they're there to deliver on this model with with regard to the private sector Arlen children known as pretty much a twenty year trial and error experiment. What we did was we just kept trying things? Basically for twenty years and Jeff wants a data geek in a data from day one and we had data to see what worked, and what didn't work so basically now twenty years later. We know what works and we also know what to do, and we want to share that with the country. But that that twenty years involved tremendous innovation and a and a lot of projects that now we WANNA share with others I. Don't think. The government could have done this the way we did. We held our leaders to to make them accountable. They delivered, and now we have this model, but with regard to your question I think the end game is you got places like the Harlem Children's zone show the Kids Harlem Central Harlem in succeed show that you can eliminate the opportunity gap the achievement gap, and then once they have proven success. Government comes in and and helps funsies organizations over the long term and again I'm incredibly optimistic. We did it in the toughest neighborhoods in in in country, there are leaders all around this country. Is that by the way one ranked one? Hundred Samuels North Minneapolis, but there's many many around the country and I'm incredibly optimistic that we can pull this off, and it'll change the direction of what's really been a stain on our nation. As a Stan. Crime I applaud you both and just to follow up on on Joe's question. to some degree in terms of the scale ability of it all and. I pray that we can. We can get it to be scalable, and clearly the results speak for themselves. The question that I would ask is how you think you persuade. Frankly all of the teachers unions around the country that this is the right answer. This may very well be the right answer for kids, but do we need to do you ultimately need to partner with with teachers and partner with the? The with the teachers unions, which of course have had lots of questions? At least if I'm being politic about him in the way, they approached it in terms of their view of charter schools, or maybe you can answer that. Let me let me just say Andrew that even though we run two very successful charter schools, we are involved with interventions helping out the public schools in Harlem but I think. Romney, who deals with the teachers unions on a day to day basis is better served answer that question. Sir as a Stan articulated on less than twenty percent of the students that we serve at the blue zone actually attend our. All the lion share of the fourteen thousand young people that we start veering out. Additional Public School I'm so for us. It's not a question about charter school versus Traditional Public School. It's about quality education and I. We believe that we in many ways and serve as aren't for the field. We have a great set of educators who have been the Alaska this work on. We have the ability as Stan articulated to be innovative in our practices, and we have a responsibility to to share those on with those who are concerned and care about our children and quality education, and I know that feeling. To our young people as widespread all across the nation. Stay Awhile we have you here. I JUST WANNA. Get a quick market comment from you. On what we've seen you had your speech at the Economics Club. At that point you around the world and You know stocks had moved quite a bit by then, and it may have looked rich, or it may have looked like there was a lot of. Things we couldn't foresee. It. It's moved quite a bit since then. Are you more concerned now and comment on the Fed and the Fed's action as well just. In the last three weeks. What have you witnessed? Would you say well? I've been humbled many times in my career. I'm sure I'll be humbled. Many times in the future and the last three weeks certainly fits that. Category. So. I had long term concerns for the last years. Because of easy money too much. That was being built up in the corporate sector. When? Covert. I was pretty much of the view that there was a good chance that the bubble had finally. The credit bubble had filing burst, and the underlying the unwinding of that leverage who take years? I'm still of that few over the long term but next week. I turned sixty seven and View five years out. That's all that's all fine and Dandy, but I'm not in trumpy alive, so let's talk about the intermediate term I. Did give a talk to the economics club I talked about how horrible I thought the risk word was. I would say that since that time a couple things have happened technically, which is part of my process. I would also say I underestimated how how many red lines hell for the Fed? We'd go, but the Great Marty's wide, who I learned a lot from technical analysis, had this thing called a breadth thrust and early last week on the advance decline on the New York stock. Exchange was over two to one for a ten day period. That is an undefeated record on an intermediate basis, and what is clearly happening is the excitement of pre-opening is a lot is allowing a lot of these companies that have been. Casualties of COVID Comeback and come back and forth at with a combination of hopes with the Fed money. An in particular vaccine, where the news has been very very good since that economics club, and I think probably more important than the market here is, is that breath expansion and the fact that the rotation out of the covid winners into the COVID leaders gives you a big breath expansion, because frankly there are a very limited number of large cap, but very large cap companies benefit from Covid, and there are hundreds of companies that could hurt by Ovid so that's why say the first thirty five percent of the rally was led by the growth stocks, and now it's being led by. Obviously the last few weeks, the value stocks. Let me. Just say you gotTA. have an open mind. The health situation is ever-evolving. I don't think anyone. Knows how it's going to end up. Personally I have. Still something like Amazon, and Microsoft or my largest holdings, but I have the least growth waiting in my court folio I've had maybe for six or seven years. I don't want your viewers to get too excited about that. It's some your commentators pointed out correctly I could change my mind and a week or two. This is very binary comes out on the health front, but I just think it's a fascinating time. Where if you get a vaccine say by January February. You get one distinct out within the market, and if you don't get a vaccine for year to get another distinct out in the market, then you've got stimulus plans if they deliver July. You get one outcome if they don't liquidity falls off a cliff and you've got another outcome. So as always I'm staying flexible. But I've been far too cautious. I was. I was up two percent today. The bottom and I've made all three percent in the forty percent rally in a great opportunity. Won't be the last time, but those are my current thoughts. Joe KLOM! At Morgan Stanley I'll see you. You're not on camera the entire time. Stan was talking. You're your. I guess you got your own opinions on what happened, but stands a best ever probably and I think we want them to do well just for. As well right Absolutely. And it's interesting because as I've been following the economy and. Even with the the recent release of the unemployment rates surprisingly going down for most of America on what challenges me in the work that we do is a didn't go down for for Black Americans. It was actually slightly up a mess. Sixteen point eight percent I'm so just the. Impact that code is having in the communities that we serve I'm is taking a devastating toll so with corporations in those that are being up to benefit from the uptick that has happened in the markets on the question becomes. Are we being reinvesting those profits back into the communities on the community level on to ensure that we unlocking the great potential that exists in communities of color all across the nation. Joe Can I say one thing of course dial out of investing in my life I've had some Mrs. As I, just pointed out and I've had some huge wins the best investment I've ever made in. My Life was the Harlem Children's zone. It's been a huge success. I've got great satisfaction. In it and I encourage others to experience the joy. I've brands by investing in the Harlem Children's zone and other communities. Where economic mobility needs to move and change our nation. And I know when when you say you go big investment, you went. I. Don't know if we don't need to talk about the. You went big big big in. This investment and it paid off in Kwami. We were talking before the show on twitter. I said. Get you some more followers so. That Kwami, okay, at kwami. Okay. I'm going to follow everything that you're doing and we wish you. You're the perfect guy for this. Stand right superstar. And it's I. Just Hope we can do it everywhere. I mean I don't know. Instead of reparations, I think Bob Johnson was looking for fourteen trillion. You guys probably wouldn't need quite that much to really make a huge difference I think across the country because I'm not sure that the POB that's GonNa work out necessarily that way. Would fourteen trillion do it Stan. I'm might third superstar in around I cannot wait to see his action the next ten years. I can't keep US updated Kwami way I'm going to be following you as A. Thank you gentlemen replace here. Okay, thank you Joe, good to see you good to see you. Thanks, thank you bombing. More squawk pot after this. That's the podcast for today. Thank you for listening. squawk box is hosted by Joe Kernan Becky quick and Andrew Ross Sorkin tune in weekday mornings on CNBC at six am eastern and subscribe Squawk pod on spotify Stitcher, apple, podcasts or Google play tweet US thoughts, comments at swap CNBC, and will we evacuate tomorrow? This CNBC podcast is sponsored by capital group home of American funds. 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Black Agenda Loud and Clear

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Black Agenda Loud and Clear

"Allow me to introduce myself. And Charlemagne the guy. Came along waypoint. I. Think have a certain amount of space. You know what everybody else does. Just the best in which I'll do this platform, the reach y'all have to earn make space for somebody like you. Guys were direct line to the coach. Anton. Empty. All I do is read them up the breakfast every morning. Good you guys are trending every year. You know. I dragged my ass out of that I'm like. What happened at the breakfast? You're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're Yo Yo yo? Yo Yo yo Yo. Yo Yo Yo yo Yo. Yo Yo Yo yo Yo Yo, Yo Yo Yo yo Yo yo Yo yo Yo yo Yo Yo, Yo Yo yo no more than Angela yee. AMDI Charlemagne the guide. To the planet is Friday. Come on in Toronto to Serano. Come on and everybody we all the breakfast club and it is a Friday. And too much being. You're too Goddamn. It I said. Well. As well. been include Toronto at the top of the show top of the top T.. Dot I love. y'All. Matter? No you remember was the that drake drop that goes to six six. Let me to get their drought right. Yeah Dr Driving Away in the morning six. You know you know what I was thinking today or yesterday when I woke up this morning say! You know today is my son's birthday Jackson's birthday. he turns six today. and. It's really hard having a celebration at this time. You know there's so much going on. Because, there's so much going on with with people. Protest and protest is still getting beat up Corona Virus Colbert Nineteen He can't see his friends, which is which is crazy because he doesn't go to school where I live, so having his friends drive and do the parade. Thing is kind of difficult, so celebrating for him in China make have fun. Is it I don't know it just? It just feels a little. No I think when it comes to one days. You know I think when it comes to born days at a time like this when you supposed to celebrate because you know when you look around, and you think about all the people we did. Lose the corona virus. Think about all the people we do. Lose participant police violence. You know this is the time you should celebrate the life of those who loved you love in a real way I, yeah! Yeah in! New We also have a new lease and appreciation on life after the past few months that we've had in quarantine, absolutely not feel bad, because like I said my daughter just turned seven a day ago. He turns six today and it's like. You know for us is different. We say we can't go out. We can't wait to get a haircut, but think about it, you know. They been home for thirty fourteen weeks. No friends, no played as they have to study online. And for him is even worse because he's in kindergarten, so he's not learning as much as the first as my first grader. Were high schooler. He's learning as much so it's like it's very difficult for him. Because he's you know mom is teaching, you know he doesn't have the interaction with his classmates in his friends. He doesn't have that break. You know it'd be know the paints. Parents say we need that break. He doesn't have that break where he could just say. You know what I want to hang out with my friends I don't WanNa be here. You know is very difficult when you think about. Kids. They have each other you know they are. That they have outside backyard, they can play in with the pool and all those things people don't even have that. Yeah, I mean it's difficult for all kids right now, and not just not just not just to have his friends just to be able to teach school and have take you know. Take your favorite thing. The school day like all those things that you miss out on soccer and basketball and baseball and coloring, you know it is cooler color with dad, but when which which friends is a lot different, you know as the social interaction that's done the word martyr the whole Corinthian worst part. Part of the whole quarantine has been you know the children and the things that they're missing out on anything thing about eleven year old with cheerleading, and not being able to Chilean comprehend all of that stuff, but the most important thing that day your son born day, and you should celebrate the life of the person you love APP now goes for everybody out. There have is your born day or somebody that you know knows born day you know, think about all the people that we've lost over the past few months and just have a new lease and appreciation for life and celebrate it not. Not about that at all. Don't feel guilty about celebrating your life. Absolutely great about the fortunes that you have to look. There's some people here. If you imagine you live in an apartment building, you don't even have a outside area where you can just go into backyard or. Go in the front yard or anything like that people here who live in buildings and then they have to come outside and the nervous to go outside I, was talking to a kid the other day when I was walking around, he was probably like seven, and his mom has a newborn four months old, and they were walking a couple of blocks of the store and they were like. We haven't been outside at all. Because she has baby, she didn't really want to go outside. And so this was kind of like one of their first time, even going outside to let me tell crazy. It has nothing to do with the money that they can't go. Go outside the social so yesterday you know, of course. My son can't have no friends, so he's into cars. He loves cars. He's loves caused in his DAD hot wheels. He's into so what I did was I call all my friends and kind of did a rally in a block in my own my block. My equity could spin around and he can see 'cause. He was excited so when when know brought down to. He'd always taking the trash out. He seems E. C.'s 'cause and seized. The people is first. Reaction was to run but run because he's like. Is Corona virus I can't be next to nobody I'm out, but it with you right? When I was like man I, said now you. Could they not come close what you can look at the cost, so he had a, he had a great time. Yes, added yesterday, because it's raining today, but. Man Well Anyway got a big show today. We have Yvonne or joining us. Adviser as Malia. She plays Mollie insecure and she's got a new special on HBO called Mom made it very entertaining special and we got the OG G If I'm not mistaken I think I'm right on this the first African American billionaire. I like me, so it is. yeah found though bt. Bob Johnson. He is Bison. Is Buys me a lot because he was able to do it in. Would vision in in continue to do it? He is I think he might have been one of the first black majority NBA owners as well. oh. Yeah forgot. He's going the Hornets. He introduced a plane because he believed that America needs to atone for its original sandwiches slavery as do I and he's asking for a fourteen trillion dollars in reparations, so he'll be here to talk about that. Don't expect to get a word in edgewise. We'll do Bob Johnson he. He talks. We listen okay, and that is fine. Sometimes you just gotTa. Shut up and just listen because they know what they. All right well well. We got front page those coming up. We'll be talking about. Yes. We're going to give you some updates on what's been happening overnight also we'll talk about a mile arbitrary in some new things that they are saying about his killing. All right, we'll get into that next. Keep the breakfast club good morning morning. Everybody is Dj Envy Angela Yee Guy. We are the breakfast club now. Let's get some front page news. We start. Let's start with them out. Arbitrary judge has ruled that the cases against all three defendants charged with murder in the death of can advance to the trial court. They are also giving new information. They said that are berry was reportedly repeatedly boxed in I to pick up as he desperately tried to escape, they also said the gunmen also called him at a I. Don't even want to say this F Ing n word as he lay dying, and he was standing over him while that happened. Premeditated hate crime charged with and is very important. Reason why people can not skip jury duty, especially Black Peop- okay because they're going to trial. Going to trial is going to be people there. That are in the jury should be a part ledger. Yes so it also no. Jury of Pierce. A. Well. You shouldn't have peers. I I'm. Thinking of the word wrong I thought appears mean people that you. See would, I guess. Right. I! Right. They said the McMichael's never called nine one one before they pursued him. They also said that in his final moments he was running for his life. McMichael's and Brian used their trucks to chase down and box him in, and they repeatedly verse. He repeatedly reverse directions, and he ran into a ditch until he couldn't run anymore. And so. Out of this really hard to discuss talk about imagine that's your child and that's the last thing that happened to them. I couldn't even imagine something that. All right and in the next hour we'll talk about George Floyd and his funeral and memorial services that took place yesterday. All Right Oh no hate crime law in Georgia. all right. Get it off your chest. Eight, hundred, five, eight, five, one, zero, five one. If you're upset, you need to vent. Hit US up right now. Maybe had a bad night, bad morning, or maybe spread positively eight, hundred, five, eight, five one. Oh, five one! GET IT OFF! Your chest is the breakfast morning. The Breakfast Club. Career, in application, development, ddat means owning the opportunity to impact the preparation of our nation for the future doing Ddat for challenging work that advances your career apply now at GD dot com slash careers. It is an equal opportunity employer disability better in. Your town to get it off your chest. But have the same entity. We want to hear from you on the breakfast, Club. Hello this ear going on here. Being travel, good morning hey. How You Going on Charlemagne. Says how you doing good Amen. What I WANNA to talk about something real. Quick 'cause I don't know if people notice because you know everybody's like. Of so involved into like the protests and everything that's going on on the I know Hillary Clinton has been in court. Why did you say? Oh, no no, no, no hillary. Clinton has been in court She was in court on a Friday. You've been cheated on court on Monday and Tuesday testifying against her emails. That they've found Geoffrey, Beene and child torture and cal failure and stuff that he's been answering for and. People, have been involved with as we should be involved with the protest, but behind a protest. Hillary Clinton has been in court. Answering I, just after Jeffrey Epstein's stuff and back. Naomi Campbell name. He's all into it and other stuff yesterday. Really Looking. I don't I I. Don't think she gave a in person. deposition I know that they say they would contemplate contemplating asking her to come testify but I. Don't think she's been understand that would be. That will be known as. No she go look was opposed to go through this virtual tested on testimony famous. She's supposed to show for this virtual testimony things. You made a story up a Lye. She couldn't make him universal testimony Bang and now like the court does all this stuff is on her about not showing sort of virtual testimony, thing and nobody's talking about it. But looking it all right Joe. Hello WHO's this? Mama, get it off your chest. Just wanted to stay It's a beautiful day. I woke up this morning. A lot of people did in. I'm blessed I have a ten month old and a man that loves me so. Trying to keep energy. Around love you go, that's the energy. That's the energy to be on well. You have a great week all right? Thanks! Hello, who's this hello good morning? This is how are you guys? Get off your chest. I I WANNA. Say thank you because I was the nurse to call a couple days ago was so upset about a half with the protesters and the nurses that attached up. It's just that the company turn on the radio and they were like without us. I've been getting a lot of seeds of nurses pointed out and help the protesters how people who are getting beat up animals because toby. Thank you God God either you saw because I know you become for people from Florida I'm from Florida. Thank you congratulations. Congratulations for being from Florida and sounding somewhat saying. Thank you. NEW YORK! But cover congratulated escape in Florida. Stop It. Thank you. Here on the Bronx. Shouldn't said that all. Craters American from Lebron's another Florida. You're not supposed to do that. Colleague! True I get it. Thank you, Mama, get it off your chest. Eight, hundred, five, eight, five, one, zero, five. One of you need event. Hit US up now with the breakfast club. Good morning the breakfast club. Visit your term to get it off your chest whether you're man or blessed, eight, hundred, five, eight, five, zero, five one. We want to hear from you on the breakfast club. Hello, WHO's this? Rid The fraud? was so broken it off your chest. Know about this corona virus named people get comfortable with. It's like Those back. And is not only you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know about. I don't know what's going on December. Of People try to name time be safe. Is like. The comfortable with it. They said in New York City. There was no new corona virus desk for the first time since the middle of March, which is crazy, I mean that's great very weird. I don't know man what to say about it. I feel like they just say back up in. Was Crazy. Though if you you know, remember Sylvia. Brown Sylvia Brown. She wrote A. Book where she predicted Corona Virus in two, thousand and twenty. And she said she said that Around, two thousand twenty s of pneumonia illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs, bronchial tubes, and resisting all known tree treatments, almost more baffling than illnesses. Self will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived attack again ten years later and then disappear completely. She wrote that in a book back in Two Thousand Eight S. All right. I appreciate it I didn't want A. Pit. Right Bravo. Hello! WHO's this? Hey, what's? Going To get on. Features. I just wanted to give a shout out to my beautiful Fiat tape. Break it and you know the so corona virus being. Gone crazy, but you know since the protesting. About the virus and Alanon. Know. Somebody called and talking about it. Okay, I, going to like you know trying to they world and all that. I get well first of all. You can take a newborn at Disneyworld. It's a waste of money now. I'm going to be honest with you. Dangle remember. If you want, if you. WanNa get in there maybe like. Now you know what I mean. Come on. He said two or three years from now. What are you? To work out magic kingdom so. You're. GonNa take my number. Take Disneyworld. Take. Your slide in the back door shadow. That's all you heard, right? That's all you heard. See why you always. To do things like that, I said us we all slide in the back. Come off, but. I'm glad. I have. My babies are. Two, months right now eight and he's thirteen pounds, and you know we've been feeding them four ounces of formula, but you think we should up by you know five offices or I think she asked the pediatrician every so often. Definitely the Patriots. Pediatrician. Got Five of. I, don't remember yes, it has been a couple. I don't remember those numbers I. Don't remember those numbers. How thankful! I don't know I I just don't remember. You GotTa talk to pediatrician I. Just know that when the baby wouldn't sleep, the put a little cereal in there and it just kinda calmed down low bow. Remember a month that was. All right. Appreciate you, taking our guy with weren't all right. Eight, hundred, five, eight, five, one, zero, five one. If you need to, you can hit us up now. We got rumors on the way he yes drew. BREES has made another apology for his remarks about kneeling, and we'll tell you what he said all right. We'll get into that next. Keep it locked us to breakfast gloag among the breakfast club. If! This is? Angeline. Well yesterday we. Reggie drew brees his apology on Instagram, the remarks that he said about how he doesn't like the kneeling during the NFL during the NFL Games, and how it's disrespectful to the flag. Well now he is apologizing yet again now. He posted on his social media. Paid step by step. You'll see my heart for exactly what it is, and the way everyone around me sees it I'm sorry. It has taken this long to. And to participate in a meaningful way but I am your ally in fight? Here's what he stated. There's not more concern that would make things any better now, but I just want you to see my saw him. The accounts that I made yesterday I. Know that hurt many people. That was never my intention I wish. I would have laid out. What was on my heart in regards to the George Floyd Murtagh. AMATA Aubrey. The years and years of social injustice, police brutality, and the need for so much reform and change to bring you quality to our black communities I'm sorry. and. I will do better. I will be part of the solution. I'm your Allen. I am your allies. The new I have black friends. Right. Yeah, that's what it sounds like I. Am your ally? The new I have black friends and drew brees racist I just think that he's you know a culturally clueless. That's all. He really understand that. It's two different Americas. The. Why did he neil? Neil in the first place team mates, probably just showing. Because his teammates. That's all and if you didn't feel that weight on, do it. Just don't do it the pan to me. If you don't. You don't feel that way, don't. Stand, stern on for the team, he took one for the team. You took me for the team. That's all all right. Some of the biggest names in the NFL from Patrick Mahomes Odell Beckham saquon Barkley. They did drop a message now, demanding that the League admitted they wrongly silence protesters like Colin Kaepernick and here's what this video sounds like. It's been ten days since George. Floyd was brutally murdered. We need to ask you. To listen to you. What would it take? For one of us to be murdered about police brutality. Our stores we will not be silenced. Protests. Take. So behalf of Bullied. This is what we the players would like to hear you state. National condemn races and systematic oppression of black people be. National. Wrong silence in our players from peacefully protesting. Black lives matter I wonder what the League ever admit that no. I don't think. and. Then they got to meet the Colin Kaepernick thing, and then they got a probably pay more money than they made it. Because there's a lot of players that pretty much have been silenced, I haven't been able to play because they were kneeling right commodity. What happens if you wanted? To what can what what the NFL do in the future now? Oh, they definitely. Neil initia-. Play play. Play the definitely taken in need issue, but you know I. Guess even if Nevada than admit they're on the wrong side of history We got ice. We all could see that you're on the wrong side of history national football league. Well. Sam of debris teams have forgiven him. You know they were actually chanting. F drew brees in new. Orleans and some actually set his Jersey on fire in the streets, also well, Michael Thomas said, one of my brothers made a public statement yesterday that I disagreed with he apologized, and I accept it because that's what we are taught to do as Christians now back to the movement has tagged George Floyd Kamara said. This is the reality we live in. This isn't about pinning black against white, but more so about the narrative that is created when a black person speaks WANNA white person speaks pay attention. This is why we protest. This is why we take a need to be heard nothing more. One of degrees is wishing. He retired last year. He's forty something years old when if he's wishing me. Down? Yeah? Well Malcolm Jenkins told him to shut the F. Up, so that was his response. From. Iran Now! Amanda Seals is speaking out about a you know leaving the real now. First thing she did was shut down the rumors that she's beefing with. Lonnie love. I saw some reports that they on follow each other so on and so forth so here's what she had to say. Just to dispute that do not try to create some falls dissension between me and the host of the real y'all so corny. There is a whole pin DEMOC and an uprising going on, and you still can't find elsa do I did not unfounded. Follow Lining love I followed. Anybody shot out the genie. Shut out the town's shout. Out to Adrian which I don't understand, is grown gone grown women growing business. That's a child. Understand what I do with. My business ain't got nothing to do with them, sisters. Followed Lonnie love. You'll have friends that you never followed people. You know that you never followed yes. has also expanded more on why she left the real on the exchange rate, it was really honestly shocking to me to to join the cast of the real. See their the fans of the show. Be So adamantly earnestly, and honestly just derogatorily. Against my speaking about things that are happening in front of my face, and in front of there's too well. The reality is that the real you know is a show of diverse women. That's all run by white women. I wonder why so off people to believe that she would just walk away from that situation like I understand is daytime, TV, and understanding check, but she wasn't happy, yes. That she might have other horizon like yeah, like you absolutely right? She's financially secure in you, know we. Want to do it no more. You Ain't got to do, is she? She Ain't gotta work with that person no more. It is what it is. You could just say you know what I. I'm leaving. Simple as Go for it. I'M NOT MAD AT A. And she has the freedom to walk away. You know what I'm saying. And what she said is keys too much many the top. They put the diverse faces in front. Then it's no black leadership at the top so I'm mad at her because our live. On that show, right? Lee and that's your room a report and as far as following somebody I remember A. Ludicrous told me one time a little crystalline NBA I. You know I I will never follow your instagram. I was like why he said. This is what is. Of Parties he said. Could you poster many flies and I don't want my timelines I look i. see you posting. He's like I just don't find. I don't follow people because they. My friend I followed them because I. Find Him Interest Right. Have you what you're doing it an interesting? I'm not following you like simple as that. Even if you're my friend, some people are great friends, but horrible. INSTAGRAM's. all right well. When we come back, we got front page news what we're talking about you? He has about George Floyd memorial services that took place for him. Yesterday all right. We'll get into that next. Keep it locked the breakfast Clo-. Dj Envy Angela Gisha the Guy we are the breakfast club. Let's get in some front page news. Where we start and you? For. Let's talk about George. Floyd were memorial services for him yesterday. The funeral will actually be held in Houston next week, and the other service will be held in Raeford North Carolina now yesterday. In Minneapolis there was a memorial service, and that was held at North Central University in downtown Minneapolis. It was not open was not open to the public, but it was streamed on CBS and Minnesota, and here is Al Sharpton George Fraud Story Has Been The story black folks because EPA since four hundred and one years ago. The reason we could never be who we wanted and dream to be in. Is You kept your knee on our net? What happened to Freud happens at bay in this country and education in health services and. Area of American life is time for us to stand up in charges, name and say get showed me off, Knicks. pre-draft. No sound the same telling arrived preach. That's his job supposed to do with tree drab driving Aclu's bombs revenue God. Shouldn't have. To I definitely. Not at all. George voice brother. Felonies Floyd also spoke. Here's what he had to say. He was like a general everyday. He walks outside. It'd be lying to people like just like we came in wanting to greet him wanted to have fun with him. Guys that was doing drugs like smokers and homeless people. You couldn't tell because when you spoke to George. They feel like they would the president because that's how he made you feel. He was powerful man. He had words he could always make you ready to jump in. Go all the time and everybody loves George. As exactly why I was telling you earlier, envious celebrations, sons born day to day man don't feel bad because he's a funeral. Happen happening every day and old people wish they were here to celebrate so rest increase George Floyd. Absolutely attorney Ben Crump, who is attorney for the flay? Family also spoke and said this. George deserve better than that. We all deserve better than Dan his family deserved. His shirt is are battling day so when we fight for the judge floors of the world, but more importantly when we fight for the unknown, we're really doing is happing. Americ- come up to its creed brothers and sisters. What we are doing is happened. AMERICA BE AMERICA FOR ALL AMERICANS. That's true that Krino. Does not apply to us. In addition they also stood in silence for. And forty six seconds. As well, that's the amount of time of course. The dairy Chev knee was on George Floyd on his neck now. The people in attendance included Reverend Jesse Jackson. Ludicrous TI masterpiece. Tiffany Haddish Kevin Hart Therese. Amongst others. Redress like a Goddamn Black Panther. A funeral tyree! Maybe that's just the way Heathrow. And Tarik you don't. You don't know where he was going to ask man. Yeah I know. He was going out going on the set of Goddamn Black Panther partout. That's what he was going to like. It's like you didn't have to show up so militant. tyree like what was the point. Maybe that's just the way he felt. METEX TIRE ETHAN AS I meant to ask him that yesterday, and it was hot as Minneapolis yesterday and he had on a big ASS. Coat shades a. what's that thing called out of candidates, a hat but I. kind of like A. Like a Scotto Fedora. Cover everybody who is. It was they're paying their respects. Manjula and that is your front page. News all right graduates Terry looking like security funeral. Disrupt anything. He woke up day woke up and he felt that way. That's all yes. I asked very true now when we come back Bob, Johnson will be joining US founder of a T.. I believe he was the first black owner of a first majority black own of NBA team. He then sold. Jordan yeah, so we don't kick it with Bob, Johnson, when we come back, so dope move is to breakfast morning. The Breakfast Club. Guys it's bobby bones. I host the bobby bones show, and I'm pretty much always sleep because wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later I get all my friends together, so we get into a room and we do a radio show. Wish you're alive. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world. Possibly can, and we looked through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music, too. So wake up with a bunch of my friends on ninety eight point seven W. MC, in Washington, DC, or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP. Morning everybody Dj Envy Angela Yee Charlene, Guy We are the breakfast club? We got a special guest in the building. founder of BT IN FIRST BLACK BILLIONAIRE BOB Johnson. Hey. You I'm delighted to. BE WELCOME OUT TO HOPE EVERYBODY's face. Now you just made some noise because you released a statement calling for the federal government to pay fourteen trillion dollars in reparations to the descendants of slaves. I i. know why that's necessary, but tell people why that's necessary. If necessary for two days and the first and foremost is when you are damaged by it the side for which you have no control of over, and which has been neither June abundant metal, human rights, economic rights social rights that say proposed to deliver to everybody who ask yourself the question. Why have I not received those rights over the two hundred plus years of this nation, so it's a tone that component to it, basically you making you whole what they promise you, but was never delivered the second part of it is that African Americans transferred a huge amount of well to White Americans? Which DJALMA explains why? Why are the Americans have ten times net worth in terms of median income. American. It's because they were. We were denied the well that we were promised. We work for free exclave. They use our free labor to make investments and grow busy. We fought in the war, seeking opportunity equal to what they had. We come back home from the war, the World War Two Viet Nam where denied housing, which is the primary factor of economic wealth, but all middle income family. Education had to go to the court and Brown versus board of Education to get education equal. David Clare Separate. IS INHERENTLY UNEQUAL! And we're denied access to income well, and as a result of that is a huge wealth gap, then unless it is solved by reparation, which is consistent with the world has done earlier. I'm Jews were given reputation by the descendants of people who want who ran Nazi. They writing. Bread told me at apology and finally if white American could embrace apology so wade black Americans embrace forgiveness. This would be far better off all of you here. Remember Charlottesville White Man goes into a church murdered nine African American. Church members of first thing the church members do when they go in for the sentencing hearing victim to our friends of the of. Stay tell the murder where we forgive you. Also you all remember the thing? When the white police officer walked in the wrong house, killed a black man thanking. He's in her house. The first thing his brother does, it asked the judge if he could go over and hug the kill of his brother, so we are beginning people buying America should match us in forgiveness and mattress in reimbursement, but damages that they caused a which we had no park in for over two hundred years. We have the money to do it because all ready. We're doing it white Americans. If you go to a group of White Americans today and say, should we help you with food stamp? Check your body of course will help. Well, we help you with simulate low income housing. Yes, we'll do that. Don't check you with Welfare Program. Course do that, but when you ask them to give you cash to make you incl- and a capitalist society, which is the final factor of wealth and equality of the capitalist society is access to well. They will say there's something wrong with giving you money because that was two hundred years ago. By friends had Biden said, and I quote I'll be damned if I will give anyone any money for something, I didn't 'cause so. It's time for African American. Just understand you are owed that as much food Jews were owed debt, and so when why? Or even on some black Americans say you're over reaching. How do we also reached when we are entitled to damages to make us whole? Don't give program. Don't give us welfare. Don't give us food stamp. Give the money we will invest it. Manage it and grow up people in our communities ourselves. How do you think the money should come? Do you think it should be each individual family? Do think it should be somebody who invest the money for us if you had a choice, how would that money come to the people? I. Believe that every African America was a descendant of say, regardless of their income. Regardless of their position is entitled to reparations. Collected from taxpayers and we've done that. We take taxpayer money to pay. We the taxpayers money to well. We take taxpayers money to do. Do give low income housing than the way we arrived at the fourteen trillion something did. This is how much net worth and wealth white American has just as black America hand brand us out to your level. And well, and that will cost you depending on what you do it. Over ten years twenty to thirty years a certain amount of dollar amount as your question. Og Bob Do you do you? Do you think money could change the system? No, because we're trying to dismantle this system of white supremacy and I want reparations for slavery as well, but would it be better serve going towards? Education, healthcare housing are loans and grants for small businesses I should everyone just get a lump sum of money? Guy Let me. Ask You a question if you had all the money that you. Would you be concerned about educating kids and you have on? That's cool. No because you know you have the confidence of access to will control of well. That's the difference. This is a capitalistic society. You gotTA start there. What is the fundamental measure of well and power? It's access to capital, so these riots or prone pants are violence. They don't happen the people who have well think about it. You Know Eric Garner, Michael? Brown and George Cloy died over a dispute about approximate. Forty thousand take them bike. Man Put him announced way great job greater not about his baby stock Barcus. Why feel! When you got in your pocket, two hundred dollars. and. You got your pocket by about a dollar. Why allegedly deliver a counterfeit, check or dollar or twenty dollar bill? Up One hundred dollars in the pocket. That's what well does it gives you confidence, but it doesn't make a racist not racist. Now that that's the whole problem, but that doesn't mean you don't get demand you. DEAL WITH THEIR PROBLEM Malcolm X.. said it very clearly each day. What do you call a black man dollar and? Martin Luther King said. and Said you can't legislate morality, but you can regulate behavior, so my point is you gotta start something and I start with what White America value more than any thing else and that access and control of well. How we got more Bob Johnson when we come back. Don't move. Is The breakfast club Kabuki? Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Charlemagne. The Guy We are the breakfast club was still kicking Bob Johnson so is it. Is it best to as a as a community? Say you know us since money is the power. We say you know what we're. GonNa hold on money and not spend it with these corporations. If the black community spends billions of dollars a year on goods. That's not going back in our communities. Say you know what we're. GonNa stop. That hurt them in a pocket with that. Make them open opening our. The way you look at the economic well, there's you have to control this and you're absolutely right. That the answer to that question, is this in it? I often quote this on my favorite stuff about how we deal with. The situation is a Bob Marley tuna. Call Redemption Song The line that I always quote redemption songs. Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. Only I'd cells can change online. Black Americans have to emancipate themselves from mental slavery that we cannot do for ourselves. And once we started doing that cancer drag. Because if reverend were issued to date, and over thirty years ago by people fourteen trillion dollars. Mostly money unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at, go right back into your white consumer community that they spend it all beds to build their own society. It's a mental thing we've got. We've gotta do thank for example. We have no causes today they only. There's only two. Vine calls I can really say. Black, lives matter. So here, here's my thing. We have to again to change our mental attitude toward who we are. And and God. You know that. We ninety percents, both in the Democratic Party, but they say if the lesser of two evils. Now when you get in a position where you had taking the lesser of two evils by sheer definition, you taking the lesser. Why do we have to take the massive? While we take the better and to me. The better could be. Come up with a call to says black lives. Matter is I called. Reparations are caused. And going back to West, the Congressional Black Caucus was founded about sixteen to twenty members nineteen, seventy two. This is what their philosophy was. Black Americans should have no permanent friends. No permanent enemy permanent and has hermit interest. Interest, we should phone. Are All what I've called PIP permanent interests party say to the Democrats. You Mark I vote. Here's where we love. We want refereeing. We, won't. Ever of all the policies of Vajpai's matter. What are they? GonNa say well. We're not doing combined. Down South, Carolina. He wouldn't be nowhere near being the president. Have to we have to take. Control of our destiny, and that's why VP buying had enough nerve. If you call it to say. On your show, you ain't black. Let you vote for me. How could you ever conceive of somebody saying to somebody white? You Ain't white. Willis you vote for me. That will never enter their brain. But they'll do it with. A cost we have become. Chattel, did then what do you think would happen if VIP approach Donald Trump with the same demands. To get power. And Control Power. I gotTa do is show power. Levy come the power brokers. In America, we're forty, million strong growing faster, we and Hispanics going faster than the white population ten fifteen years from now, the majority of Americans based on demographic go will be minority. So if we don't take the mantle and become the dominant influential minority in a power ballad sense. I can assure you. Vote will be they will a block. They don't bother the block the way we do. So, I would say to president trump. Trump you. WanNa contest for our boats. He is the man stand up to him and we can talk President Obama. Young people should challenge the political authority. And the Belinda authority to me as challenge, the black leadership that is somewhat old, somewhat more bun, and their ability to confront the Democratic Party I can tell you this I worked on Capitol Hill as the press that there and I know that. There's sixty three sixty plus members of the Black Caucus. The Black Caucus if they wanted to could control Nancy Pelosi. They gotta say you will never pass the bill. As a Democratic Party. Without approve. We have come at a time a period in history. Where we had more power. Than, we ever had because this country the two parties. They can't win without. If. Given all about boat. To one party. We are diluting our political power. That's simple back and they know. I'd tell you when I was journey. And I that's the Democratic Party put the money behind and be easy to turn out. The black vote is what I'd get from the ban. They say Bob. Look. We got your vote. Worry about Joe Boat we need to be in the district where the white can move one way or the other and words. Take for granted. Black vote hopefully take granted. No, we don't give you any is money, but we'll give you a program. I don't understand why he left that happen when he just in the past two elections leading up to this one. Put a black man in a way down. Power We now. White Man, and then now the nation to be empowered. and. You don't recognize the power equations that you have and you get anti. If they want to go this way. That's where the Ondo. You Skip Twenty Sixteen to twenty sixteen four point, four million voters who voted in two thousand, twelve, stayed home and twenty sixteen, and a third of them were black, and in the midterms. Black Women I think accounted for more than fifty five percent of votes some places. Yeah, you're you're right. Only only only Hillary a more women vote because the way I. We got more with Bob. Johnson we come back. Is The breakfast club Komo? Morning everybody. Is Dj. Angela Charlemagne the guy we are. The breakfast club was still kicking it with Bob Johnson. Founder of the E, the first black billionaire now when you hear the term, black lives matter what does that movement mean to you? Black lives matter for me it far beyond just. Being killed by the police is that he had standing in society and give us I. Do the people who made the money. I'll be slavery. Became the future banker. The future railroad on the Future TV media own because they got that well of landed property. Transferred to them over time, we inhabit so that's why some of these universities. Are saying they gotta make reparations to. University of because they're upset founders. The slave ships all of that. What America cleared. Revered Thomas Jefferson never sold it stays. Native American Indians were wiped out on the manifest destiny because we own that land. Dat Is American legacy, and so what to me is? Atonement. America, don't fear of nothing black people in the eye and say. We WanNA. Give you over thirty years, eleven thousand dollars a year to atone. Power. You know what people would do. They would call a Hallelujah course to say. We give White America Great President Mandela. When he was out of prisoner, Robben Island one of the first people he invited to be. It ends up ration- well. The jailer who controlled him around by. That is the beginning of people of Color. that. You ask quite American. You ask Mitch McConnell. Oh I. Don't know how to do this. I can't figure out this I. Guess nobody and I'll be damned if I'm GONNA give anything. Black you all. I'm scared to talk by reparations because the white bubble get upset and they'll vote against the that we lose the election. I'm saying. Young Cycle override groped. You will always the. Unequal Ender Society Unless, you attain well compatible equal to. The majority of Bite American. Final thing I would say I used to talk about this. Pew Research for. A big firm that does a lot of research on Social Economic And political issues they stated this and this something. I think every black person. Another white person should should understand. It children of black Americans. Whose families were solidly solidly middle class in the Sixties and seventies? Will never attain the wealth of their parents. Think about that if you will never attain the wealthy, your pant. And your parents are already, and I'd behind White American families and. Tell me where you will be in twenty years. And all we get from everybody for billiard, leaders and politicians as we gotta bring unity's country. We got to focus on. It I mean I'm listening to the People in Minneapolis, St. We're GONNA. Have a civil rights investigation of the police force in Minneapolis over the past ten years. All you guys sitting here? Who over the past ten years running the police force in Minneapolis? Why people now want to bet the gate. please. Please in many cases are tools the scapegoating of the white leadership class that controlled police. Say to you. And your problem well, you had. The. Train policy. You term how much I got paid. You gave me my sign. And now you dance I. Did something wrong? That's the police fought. Elite police go overboard with the chokehold in the brutality, so they bring a lot of that on yourself. I got a lot of the policemen going to situation scared. pull out guns when they don't have to use. But but but. Police are hired. Train paid for by a capitalist system to say your job is to protect. Property Rights of the society. That is a bit, so yeah, you can. Visibly everybody for themselves, but I'm talking about in a systemic way. Overall you tell me. That's like saying you know. You got people who are bad in and of themselves. We got once. They put that uniform on something changes in their natural. Then uniforms, says somebody saying is uniform on here are your requirements to wear that uniform and I imagine I feel sorry for some of them I. Don't know what to do. All they know this. Got Is Long. And I think somebody who look like. They're black or black and a neighbor. My immediate instinct is. They shouldn't be here. I mean I can tell you person every person you talk to. You can tell you personally situations where a Batman man is someplace. Either wise people say. In that position because they're black. Or the endless. Back in should leader. Right now I have been in some of the best restaurants in La best restaurants and BC. And I'm out there. Waiting on my car. Beautiful. Ferrari whatever I have time okay. Why I know this is going out of the white cop or get out of the car. I'm putting their way my mouth off. They come up to me and they hand me a key and thank you the Valet Valet. You got it. We gotta change the mindset. You gotta change the mindset all across the board. Because even with what you just said, even if you got the wealthy people still view a certain way because he has skin color absolutely. Malcolm et better than I could. You know. What do you call a black man with a million dollars? That's. I'm I'm. Jay Monahan, he mentioned know. So my daughter'll, questions arise. As. Expected to be able to question, so I had A. Bomb in Virginia. And one day I decided I, would go down and ride from two hundred plus as far. As. Walk in and this White Guy who is dead to do something to the plumbing system. So White Guy who's diploma looks at me and said Hey, now on the phone. He mentioned that Hey. If you, hear the mom, you better hurry up because I'm ready to shut off the water to fix the problem. Damn so what I did I now think about my day I think I'm gonNA. Go Get on the horse. So all of a sudden. He looks at me and say Oh my God. So ride the ball. and. Looked at him and You talking to the ball, so the point of trying to make guys look. YOU ARE NOT GONNA Change Racism. At all, but that did not have anything to do that. You get a paid for Dan The to your people. That's the thing I made and all the way we can build our own system. We can build our own system with the money. The money. It's up to you now at the end up getting all by young. But give us what we are. Do that's absolutely. Well. Thank you so much. We appreciate you, Brother Has America has to tone. Fish sends it a pass, especially slavery and Bob don't forget to leave that House House, and for me and your will. House you got. Lead after me. You Kill him on we. Why are you let him go got kids? I didn't say I didn't kill them off. You know by your hey. Charlemagne. Goodness. All right, thank you. You sounded though yes Sunday. Virtual town hall on Sunday with og, Bob Johnson and a few other great black voices, so yeah, we're GONNA. Do that Sunday. Take Breath, appreciate you checking in. Based breakfast up good morning. this. report. On the breath is closed plus so far. Kanye West has donated two million dollars, and that is to set up a fund for George. Floyd's daughter, so what he's doing. is setting up a college savings fanfare to fully cover her tuition, and he also has made a separate donation to cover the legal costs for the and Taylor families, and then he's also donating to separate black owned businesses in his hometown of Chicago, so he did join protesters in Chicago yesterday, with the Chicago Public school students to protest the killings of George Floyd as well as to demand Chicago public schools canceled their contract with the Chicago Police Department. That was dope. Konya Wes I seen a lot of people. Take a lot of people upset with them like. How could you be upset that the land donated two million? He set up college funds. He's paying for attorneys like he's doing. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing. I I know was. A lot of that be jealousy and envy, you know main reason is ab jealousy and envy people looking. They like damn. He got two million dollars donate. He got money. This is set up another person's trust fund. A lot of people really be jealous and envious of other people, instead of just celebrating what they did in saluting them. They gotta hate. Absolutely. I think some people don't like certain things that Kanye has said in his support of Donald Trump also. Out The door this though I'm there's nothing to do a dozen. We can say that yes, but he did. Yesterday was positive, but I'm just trying to explain why. Some people have been off of Connie. See Talk Talk about this one issue that. What he did for joy stepped up. Yeah I right now, Jay Z has. led him out. Arteries lawyer use his private jet to make his court. Hearing S Lee Merritt so? That's a civil rights attorney. He's been on the Breakfast Club who is representing Amar family. He was supposed to be at a preliminary hearing, but they had to make sure that he will make it on time. So JC was courteous enough to send his private jet. Jet To get him there. And he posted when you absolutely have to be in court to stand with your client and righteous protesters for justice, Jay Z. Sends his private jet. That's part of the P. P. Plan to get us out of this crisis, people power political power economic power, not if people who've age easy because of his relationship with the NFL. Because to be honest, they made lemonade album bottom, if people. Not yet, but now that you said that I think people might. Die I, mean Jay Z rag nations been putting in the work. People definitely were mad. Jay, Z about the NFL, but you know I think Jay Z was like. Hey, everybody, vote for trump you know in slavery was choice. People. Probably Louis Mad about that. That has nothing to do with the. He did early marriage yesterday and I. That's a hell of a hypothetical. You just read for you, but. Say You think that I'm I'm listening I'm just saying I understand what people are mad about? I'm not saying they should be met, but I don't. Know saying say Donald. Trump donated money where we be like okay when people would just embrace that if he did something positive and that type of. You give them credit for that one good deed and you keep moving I, mean panelist. When? People feel. He will still feel away at the. End of a cop killed murdered on men and he feels away even though his is, he might be digging when he vote, and he might be thinking what his paycheck, but the fact that he donated at two million dollars and set that family up to help those family fight the 'cause I appreciate sap flaming and. The fact that Floyd Mayweather. Yes, there's some crazy. He's you know support of trump, but pay for the funeral? I I can't tell people what to be mad mad about. It's not up. It's not about the celebrities this about the family. The family God bless be happy for the Family Harry Ellen Degeneres. To stop being the dancing lady in order to educate, and that's because she's being criticized for not stepping up fast enough, and here's what she said. I think right now. White people have to just sit in our discomfort. We have to admit that there's a lot we don't know about black people's lives in about a black person's experience, and their is horrible injustice towards black people that is ben ignored for so long I've tried. Use My platform to raise awareness on different issues over the years. I like to think that I'm doing my best but I think it's time that we have to look. Look at ourselves and we have to say we have not done enough I wanNA. Learn how to be a better person how to do better I was the dancing lady for a little while, and now I want to help educate my audience. I want to educate myself, so she was criticized for her initial remarks about black lives matter movement and She had tweeted out for things to change. Things must change. And then she later posted a video on Instagram, talking about her devastation in anger over recent events, and she didn't immediately comment. She said because she didn't know what to say. So now that's. To Do she donated a bunch of money and stuff to Georgetown different causes right. I don't know what she donated. Yes, she did she did for this. But are people are GonNa be mad at Ellen because of the comments. He made a couple of months ago about You know if you're in quarantine, it's like being in jail. People you to be consistent man well I think the reason why generous actually donated is because of a lot of the criticism that she was getting so. and that's why she had to respond and say that the reason why she didn't do anything because she didn't know what to say, and she did delete a tweet for things to change. Things must change just because of the backlash. She got from that. I write Manjula Year, and that is your rumor report all right, thank you miss. Ye Now sholom who you give it a donkey to. We Need Laura Ingram to come to the front of the congregation. We would like to have a war with her. Please all right. We'll get into that next. Keep it locked this breakfast club. Good Morning. Don't the other day. John. Democrats being. A little bit of a mix of adult. Pope. I've been called a lot of my twenty three years. Donkey away, right. Here today for Friday. June fifth goes to Fox. News host Laura Ingram two days. Word of the day is contradiction. What does the contradiction a combination of statements? Ideas are features of a situation that are opposed to one another. Not to be confused with change. Your mind is absolutely nothing wrong with changing your mind, but you have to acknowledge that change of mind especially when you were so strong in a position like Laura Ingraham was okay. Do we all recall when Kerry champion dropping bombs, k-champion do? Carry head to web series rolling with the champion on interrupted on one of those episodes, she had Kevin. Durant and Lebron James and they were riding around Lebron's hometown of Akron, Ohio and carry. Ask Lebron about a tweet. Where he referred to Donald Trump celebrity in chief at the BUM, remember this. We cannot deny that we're. Very divided especially in the political arena. Lebron you called the president of bump straight up. How do you describe the climate for an athlete with the platform? Nowadays that want to talk about what's happening in our world. Hot. The number one job. In America, the point of person is someone who doesn't understand the people. Really don't give. People now. Lebron is the tax paying American citizen. He has the right to criticize the president because the president works for him period Pu, but Laura Ingram didn't think so. Laura Ingram disagreed okay. This is what she had to say. About Lebron's comments on Donald Trump, let's hear it always unwise to stick political advice from someone who gets paid a hundred million dollars a year to bounce a ball. Oh, and Lebron and Kevin. Great players, but no one voted for you. Millions elected trump to be their coach, so keep the political commentary to yourself or someone once said, shut up and dribble, shut up in trouble. She was strong about that right. Well let's turn. The drew brees drew. brees made some comments this week. That road people to wrong way because he is blinded by his privilege, so he doesn't see the other side of America that you see when you're black and he's one of those folks who still thinks you know. People are taking a knee simply because we are being unpatriotic. Let's hear what he had to. To say I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America. Let me let me just tell you what he'll win. The national anthem is played, and when I look at the the flag of the United States. I envisioned my two grandfathers who fought for this country during World War Two and is everything right with our country right now. NOPE, we still. Still have a long way to go but I think what you do by standing there and showing respect the flag with your hand over your heart is, it shows unity. It shows that we are all in this together. We can all do better, and we are all part of the solution now. If you want to hear my thoughts on negative breath clubs youtube page breakfast. Club went. Went Oh five one in listen to yesterday's donkey today, but just for the record to read it so many black people who have a problem with patriotism is because how can we salute country? That denies US Justice and it'd been brutalizing us for hundreds of years. Okay. Black people fought no same world wars and fought for this country when this country was denying civil rights period. Now based off Laura Ingraham's comments. You would think that she would want drew brees to shut up in throw. You would think Laura Ingraham would want drew brees to shut up and stand behind a man, while he's bent over and drew his hand between his legs. Okay, but no. Laura singing a new tune when it comes to drew brees. Let's listen well. He's allowed to have his view about what. Kneeling and the flag means to him I mean he's a person. He has some worth. I would imagine I mean. This is beyond football. Though this is to tell -tarian at town talent, -tarian conduct, this is Stalinist and by the way on the streets of New Orleans. We're looking at live pictures there. Shouting F drew brees. That's what. This moment has done to the beautiful teeth ear it of New Orleans. This is a contradiction. A combination of statements ideas are features of a situation that are opposed to one another okay Laura. This is so ridiculously racist, so blatantly bigoted, so predictably prejudice. Okay, this is why it's a waste of time to have conversations with people like Laura Ingram people like Laura. Ingram are committed to misunderstanding you for ratings. Okay in by you. I mean US black people when it comes to Lebron it, shut up dribble when it comes to drew brees, it's he has the right to his opinion when it comes to politics while. While? Of course, Laura Ingraham decided to go on TV and explained to the world why she eats mayonnaise out of jar with a spoon. Listen to this colonizer. Explain her contradiction. Now my defense of breeze led to an online course of people comparing those comments to previous comments I had made to Lebron James without dwelling on the nuance between the two instances. Let me be very clear about what I believe. We are all children of God. Regardless of our racial or political differences, and therefore must be treated equally every American. It has a god given right to speak his or her own mind on any issue. And I think in order to heal and shed light on gross injustices. Our country needs more dialogue not less, and we need more respect, not retribution now we're all human beings, and we're on this earth for a very short period of time when you think about it, and this is a moment when we should be listening and learning. We are all children of God, yes, and some of us. US are children of Yaqoob. Okay, this is proof that when you are possessed by evil spirits, it is crafty manipulations that you follow, but when you are possessed by the Rail Holy Spirit of God, it is wise discretions. You Pursue Laura could have felt the way she feels now about Lebron because clearly she understands people should have their own opinion, and they have the right to their opinion, but. But she chose not to because he's black. She chose not to because he criticized her president. Okay, the reason she sides with drew, brees is because she feels the same way. He does never mind the black men and women getting killed every day at the hands of the police respect. That flag can't even be upset. Okay, I can't even be upset. Laura do what you will or because America's. America's creed as we know it that whole freedom justice equality thing when it comes to black people off fiction and to be a black person in America is a contradiction because all those values you stand on, and and hold up for everybody else when it comes to you, and yours doesn't apply to me and my please let Chelsea handler give Laura Ingraham of Fox News the biggest he he. He. That is way too much Dan mayonnaise. All right well, thank you for that donkey. Today well deserved all right when we come back Yvonne, Orgy will be joining us as a special. Ed. was named especially. Ma'am I made it Mama I'm made it is. We'll kick it with Evonne orgy when we come back, so don't move. Is The breakfast club Good Morning? The Breakfast Club. Warning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela. Yee Charlemagne Guy. We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest on the line right now and a friend to the room Yvonne Orgy Welcome. Here on on how Ya doing good morning. Room, but not a not a friend to eastern anymore apparently. On insecure. Real life but insecure. Starting to okay WH-. Molly I was I thought he was out of line now. I'M NOT GONNA. Lie. 'cause like I understood you being mad because Isa. Did some really messed up things in your friendship? Was the best. Went up before we get into the special because I was weighing on my soul. You know as somebody who is very heavy on my friendships, I just don't think the appropriate time to ambush somebody about your friend problems right after a major event that they just pulled off. Talking. Like that would album. On. The on the on the west coast I haven't even gotten my morning. Prayer in this praise my husband yet. Adam and the votes. But. Angela she needs to tell me. is is a billion on the world. Your friend's house you don't. person and you can't go. Who can't find nobody else to help you? Then one of my to you I'm your. Yeah Yeah. But to ask your best friend, and then your best should be able to ask her man and guess what he did it anyway. Molly invited you also. have. Pile of things that we talk about it. We're GONNA. Pass it out we. Know. Mark Yes. How did how did I? Do you feel about Molly's character? This season I almost feel happy that you quarantine because I, feel like. If you the streets, you'd be getting a lot more Angelini energy from. No. I'm. I'm so glad I'm in therapy by. As an actual disease because. We've got to. Start over. I! Figure this out like it and I don't know that it gets better from. Oh. But yeah, no, they coming out with. For Real. Sapphire. One person last week. You know in the middle of everything that was happening I. I'm tweeting. What's actually happened? Well, people are watching somebody with bikes. Not to Bet Yvonne. I would love. But the mental is ISA and presence and everybody is. Like Don. Silence today. Hold on. I! saw the. Let's talk about your best. You know we all senior special. Kudos man especially was hilarious. Very well I actually came and came backstage to see because I so impressed when I saw you live in this, stand up. Special was everything so I forgave molly and I love Yvonne. I'm hoping you know I'm getting there. It's a lot. It's really allow going on outside and I'm I'm hoping that by. Saturday people need to see by then isn't just laughter to just take their minds up as the crazy. That's happening was going back home. People seeing where you from where you grew up in you, village. How how was that? y'All that was that was real. Live it. was so much in a moment of fulfillment. 'cause you know. I'm the one with the Mike so I can say whatever, but the my parents and opportunities can be like look. We have some things to say as well and he wants to save you know like that. That was a beautiful moment of Benji like kind of air, their grievances without their homes, or whatever at the my favorite moment were they were getting interviewed, and they would stop talking agency like a moment of silence and I. It was that moment is tap with so much because I know you know. My my parents are thinking. I would be justly. You know we did not. Like. So much attention with a separate Yvonne from Mali by showing them how different Yvonne is from! The beginning about me when I was shooting special. This is listen fourteen years in the making me, you know. Two Thousand and six. This is who I was before y'all found the as molly, and so what it was for me like. To reintroduce myself to call me why you know what I'm saying like. I'm trying to show you. All is almost like for me is not one of those things where you know when somebody gets a little shy, they get a platform and they're an actor, and if you know what I wanted to try, comedy is like not all I've been doing this. You've been doing this look. Now. There's a lot of things that you talked about that. I could relate to like being broken. Go on a date. You know because you need to eat and I've talked about that extensively from when I was younger when you lay man the sec I'm GonNa have to go on that date. Ain't really WANNA go on with that person. I didn't really like because I am hungry. I remember the one day that I was like. It's not even worth star I remember going. To Do, it was bad from the it was bad from like minutes five and how? How hungry are you? Didn't get better at the end of the night I thought it was definitely one of those you know God bless and good. Bye here he. Again. Don't know. What makes any bad though like west banning, what made it bad? he was, he was pretty much talking about yourself the whole time, and then you're. Kinda like we had just come to my comedy show, too, was kind of I know cool I mean. But what else are you going to do and I was like? Oh like your life. Oh. Skating, let me get. What does he do? What was his job? Did? You reach for your wallet after the to pretend GONNA. Pay Always. Do I always do it and I. Hey, but now like you've been, you've been. Let me put out. Ever gone quite that way and ended up having to pay half absolutely and I was like this is trash I guy I just got it as a woman. Not. What we mean we want equal paid. For This is your mom's. Still Monitor your dating Dayton license. You said your mom wants you to get engaged so. Listen. Is definitely like. So your plan. May Be played. Where's your parents have an issue. If you home like somebody, Asian somebody, why would they? What would they say about that? Forty and I'm still single. They'd be like, so you brought home. A giraffe and we love a dog. Be brought up. The right now they're holding. Onto hope like Nigerian. That, that will be very interesting but I think let me have two more birthdays and I'm so thinking. They're gonNA. Go. Do Call me by before he died. Somebody to love. Was last time you've been on a date. That's. retinal club for going on. asking. Hey I'm glad you told like minded business. Just ask it. We just talked about his mom. His Mom said before. I before I'm asking. What was the last time you know why you? Blend in with the baby energy right now as We got more with avant orgy. We come back. Don't move. Is The breakfast club Gamal? MORNING EVERYBODY DJ envy. Angela ye shall ga we are. The Breakfast Club was still kicking it Yvonne or. Show! ME, listen. How's your relationship with ISA? Right? Because I know that is acting on set, but now that's all beefing on the show. Do you find yourself before off camera accident? Character and betty what anybody got with the They have itching your own life you. Eat the load like super passionate, but like anti conflict, but I do know that this was a different season for us because we were beefing throughout the whole season. Wouldn't see each other on that because she had a whole different world. Because Dollah, I mean we we. He had episode five and eight by herself so far, so it was like I wasn't on set with her as much. Then when we work together, it was all this tension and by the time we shot episode. Five I I don't like the season. I don't I don't know what happened. And I lose I you're. Not Rely. That's my. That's me. I asked him on I'll fight you you. Can You admit them Elisabeth. Playing with. Molly is not a bad friend. Molly just trying to find her voice, not use the word. You gotta use it, and it's not always going come out right, and I think what people are watching. Is Somebody trying to find their highest cell and having missed that and we as a black? He always great ourselves through our growth, and so that's really. What is I think what people are projecting on like? Yes, you don't make an face. She never sat down for she has ever been in a relationship before and so I, think molly is. You know going through it to broker would. Now speaking of which I saw that you had some of those sex toys on the show. How would you feel if somebody whipped out a bunch of sex toys on you now? My husband, let's let's try. Now all my life, I? I definitely when we were in so I would like what what does that mean does do I was to the property. Like can I hold you now hold these. What are you? Like what you did in especially when you had that group, that group shot will all y'all was talking like. So, what are your thoughts about African coach like finally becoming main screaming America. What beautiful for me. It's absolutely beautiful in terms of like the crossover you go home. It's just it's. It's familiar. You hear the Applebee's. You know it, and now you're just like. Oh, all the people that I know here also know that stuff back there. And I love it, I think it's a beautiful time I. You know it's funny with everything that was going on I talked to a good friend of mine I was like Hey. She was saying like who who our ally like who? What other countries are superpower that we that can that can help and I was like you. Can you imagine like every African country was at a place? Where were like financially and militarily where? People are in trouble here if we can call on Europe if we can't call on Asia. and Africa. Like we're sitting in the African Union and my. So that's what I like. I! Like, but she was right is like that is kind of. Like, well, why can't be like I? I I was sad for a moment because it's like? It is. Black people everywhere are experiencing this like when corona for black people in China like they get, like healthcare, service and he. Like! I said I felt like you know banged in. Because I wish we could have like people. Like now. We're GONNA. Come today because we've got oil, we got go. But. It was interesting to me in that episode where you guys were in Mexico just to hear like the different takes cultural differences and how they try to paint you. His brother tried to paint out the angry black woman. When we saw house, you cheated you and I know that feeling when you go to get something and say how come you ask them why people are when you online to get on the plane and they asked you if you supposed to be Oh, this is first class and you like you ask them white people. And I was watching that I had so many emotions about that because I was i. don't understand trapper. Why black is is is high speed frustrating because you know I think they stopped doing it now, but it's not the. It's not the people taking your ticket anymore when you're like now. Boarding group one is other people that are lined up and it's like she said. I know I know I'm platinum I'm platinum can't. Let me live. Let me greeted with my friend. Does he was like I'm taking back the term angry black woman because for so long I think people are trying to weaponize that against us, and he was just like no. We are angry and I'm GONNA use that. My message I'M GONNA be. At work, because I have recently the angry. Have, you mentioned. Versus what have you been doing during this pandemic? Have you been reading more watch more television? What what what have you been doing? Man I just turned in another draft of my book. That's coming out level year Ben. Visas how got tricked me into my dreams and I'd say one thing. He definitely tricked me the right leg on by A. Why didn't you tell me Charlemagne? Why didn't you tell me the most? How would have told you? You do not have to sit down and try to write a whole book by yourself. Stories and you got ideas. You just write the stories I. Write Ideas Down and then let somebody else fluffing up. Like I thought it was like a rapper wanted streak. Read like right mind. Trying to write a book in between trying to executive, produce film and you know, edit and start in a comedy special answer the movie and I don't know. I. Africa with the baby on my back on the pill and one of my head. I thought I could relieve you at all. So what you doing therapy? Therapy every week. You know. You know know what I've been doing therapy for two weeks and doing back. To the four hours I've been so. It's been therapy because heck just even just. When do we ever get to just sit silently and be missing out on anything because the world of goals south on clothes and so bass in therapy have really been my escape, but I'm so looking forward to me reading about four both I started having finished I'm you know I? Don't become like Michelle Obama In in a couple of days. It's gotta be like personally to those kind of be like a my because you got your having your moment to the standard specialist. Coming up like you said outside is burning. Yeah, because I mean we need it. You know I evacuating between the as kind of like. I guess it's to be a casualty of war to turning my my perspectives to be like, or maybe it's happening for such a time as this maybe. Not especially will come out maybe. You know we need right now. I try to trust up. Thank. Thank you thank you and that's where you. Different. Newton holding GS eight episodes anger. Mode. Maybe scheduled this like we need to talk. We need to figure this out by hopefully this weekend. y'All reconcile things and we could be cool. Am I gonNA be mad. I say mad I don't. All Right, but I love you even so that's all that matters. And got nothing but of the US but no I'm I'm GonNa it and I think this is actually the perfect storm or change the happen. This is divine because I feel like a no good gonNA come to the world until they do right by black people. And that's why I think all of these things impact in black folks, they are just sorta. World can see that and the world can finally have the opportunity to properly tone to US Iran. Thank you for joining us so much. We appreciate you. Adulation is on everything. Thank you. Mama was the breakfast club. Good Morning. The Breakfast Club. This. Report with Angelini. Close enough. Gabrielle Union has filed a discrimination complaint against America's got talent producers. Now this is a harassment complaint. And she filed that in the state of California against the Producers Anna Network behind America's got talent. She also has a new accusation that NBC Entertainment Chairman Paul Telegdi threaten her over speaking out against racism onset, so according to her attorney when Gabrielle Union informed NBC Racially Offensive Conduct. Conduct during the taping of America's got talent, and BC, did stand with her and outrage at acts of racism, and they'll. He also said that NBC did not care enough to either promptly investigate misuse complaints or even as hr to get involved. Instead they stood against her, and directed its outrage at her for whistleblowing about the racially offensive conduct that she experienced while on set. Now dwayne Wade also revealed that he and Gabrielle Union. We're being watched and followed by negotiating their complaint against NBC Universal. So yeah, that's what's going on here so we'll see what happens. Here health situation. I guess according to Dwayne Wade after initially revealing the company's workplace practices against her. That's When after she felt that complaint. that's when they said the newly minted judge stood on a close sounds day was enveloped in a cloud of cigarette smoke, which he's been severely allergic. Entire life producers, fellow judges and set assistance looked on unfazed as series, creator and star Simon cowl finished his smoke while unions, respiratory system went haywire, so doing way to saying the family has been terrorized throughout the entire process. He said Y'all have. Have deemed her liar after months of trying to inform you, all of the issues in the workplace and also make sure other employees of color that comes after her won't have the same experience instead of looking through the lens of someone who has been an advocate for the black and Brown community for women and for Rape Victims She Gabrielle Union. been done wrong I hope that she gets her money. Absolutely, Yes, he's doing a separate lawsuit against Simon Cowl. Will. Also she got to actually NBC s I'm ago. ooh, well. She really really really must feel like she s. she really must feel as you got a case. Because you know companies like that. They got the law. They got that long wanting to fight your ass and court for a long time. Waiting Gabrielle GOT MONEY TO GO JESSICA. and. It's good to be focused, but she's trying to do is make a change across the board, so things like this. Don't happen for the next person and the next person are right now. Here's a great story. You guys will love this now. Kenny deforest his a comedian, and he told the story on twitter, so I'll break it down for you, but basically this is a story that happened back in January of Twenty fifteen that involves day Chapelle. He said the day Chapelle went to the knitting factory in new. York one night, and he did an impromptu set, and he said he was asking the crowd for them to give him headlines to riff on. So one person yells are police brutality? And this is right after the Eric Garner. A killing that happen and he said clearly privileged white girl shouts. Life's hard sorry about it when he starts talking about police, brutality and Dave. Chapelle said I thought body cams would help, but what good is video evidence? If y'all don't care, and the girl yells out lives hard. Sorry about it so dave. Chapelle says what did you say and she repeated it? It and that's when he started to educate her. He didn't attack. He didn't yell. He didn't make fun of her. He started educating the crowd on the history of black people in the police. He talked about slave patrols Rodney King and Watson, Emmett till and Black Wall Street. He talked about Trayvon Martin Michael Brown and he talked about John Crawford the third. Do you guys John Crawford that there it is. The WHO's your? Killing. About to say Walmart that our he did get killed in Walmart. He picked up dude. Oh okay. It was for sale in Walmart and he was just looking at the begun, and somebody called the cops. A white person called the cops on the officer came in doesn't even say jump the weapon hands up just shoots him and kills him. Yes, it's plain as day and according to the a comedian deforest Chapelle tells the story about getting getting pulled over in rural Ohio where he lives this before that shooting before John Crawford Derek got shot and killed, but after Ferguson so ratio tencent is bubbling. He said I may be wide on paper but I'm still black so I'm nervous. He said the COP approaches. He can tell him nervous. I have both my hands on the wheel and I say. Say My license and registration is in the glove box I'm gonNA. Reach for them now. I promise I'm not armed. He said I could tell the officer was offended, and he said I know who you are. Dave Chapelle, and I said so. Why do I need my license and registration? He said he got off with a warning, and he said the twist is that same cop is the same cop who will go on to murder Crawford the third. And at the end of it, he said I shouldn't have to be Dave Chapelle to survive police encounters. What's really relevant about this whole story? Though is the comedian Kenny deforest. Who tweeted all this and waited until now to talk about it five years later, he said Dave Chapelle goes on to explain that one of his best friends is south. African. He said I asked him what it was like in South Africa right before apartheid ended, and he said it was chaos in the streets there were riots and car bombs, but the amount of people carrying hit critical mass, and there was nothing they could do to stop it that people have momentum and apartheid ended critical mass. That's what. What we have to hit once enough of you care, there will be nothing they can do to stop the change. And he said it was incredibly powerful in the crowd with somber and silent while I think at the moment that we're in right now and you know it makes me feel bad when I know when when I know these stories like you know I know these names like when you said John. Crawford Third I knew the name, but I'm like. It felt like it all started to feel like a blur because you hear so many of these so many different names. Walmart that the guy who got pulled over and you know he had a legal gun and they still shot him. was that the guy who was scared and ran and they shot him in the back is literally all a blur. You just know the name. You just don't know how they got killed by police. You just got you buffalo. I know that was a long story I just told, but I thought it was really important. I thought it was amazing. especially for the time that we're in right now and you know after this. The white girl actually came back to speak to him and you know join l.. Nicole came back and said I told her to leave, but Dave Chapelle, said no bring her back, and she said I'm sorry for what I said. Thank you for educating me. I was ignorant before, but I wanted to know I learned from you tonight and I won't say things like that anymore. That's was great. I'm glad he educated her. Because most COMEDIANS, roasted shooter ran out of there and the whole audience at both educated, so think about other people who might have kind of that way absolutely yeah, but most. Chapelle Chris Rock's. They don't have the intellect to be able to educate somebody on the subject that sometimes people just get really angry and they don't want to explain things and I understand that, too. You know because you can get really mad and upset. When people you like, you have all this information you see what's going on. How do you still not know so? That was a great approach, and that did work that night and enclosing. Just want to let you guys know Oprah is. Is hosting a discussion with black thought leaders on a nineteen network simulcast. It's called. Where do we go from here? It's a two nine event featuring able Dubernard Stacey Abrams and more, so you'll see a lot of people key key challange bottoms. Be On that David Oh. Yeah Oh. Yeah, Oh, and It'll be on June ninth and June. Tenth across Onen discoveries eighteen other US networks which includes TLC Food Network Ide-, HDTV all right. Will Asia Rumor report now to Revolt will see you guys on Monday everybody else. The People's choice mixes up next request in, and it's the breakfast club. Good morning four everybody is Dj Envy Angela, Ye shall I mean the guy. We are the breakfast club now. We have to shout to Bob Johnson for joining us this morning. Luther og Bob Johnston really agree with the energy that Bob Johnson is on. America has to tone for this original sin, which is slavery, and no good is gonNA come to this country until the so you know Bob once fourteen trillion in fourteen trillion dollars in reparations. I'm not mad at it. All Right and shout to Yvonne Orgy joining us as well. Yes ma'am I made it. Her special will be on tomorrow on HBO. That's right when we come back. We got the positive note. Don't move as the breakfast club good morning. Born. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee Charlemagne to God. We all the breakfast club now getting happy birthday to my son today, he turned six He's a huge love of cars whether it's hot wheel cars toy cars Regla Kasey just loves cars run to get it from. because it's raining today, he can't have a party because Kobe. Corona virus I put together like a little parade. Get the house where it was like I would say about thirty forty cars driving by and kind of like a parade. It was pretty dope in. He enjoyed it. He loved it slams shut out to a PCA awhile. Wayne to grasp forgetting that together for me, shot up to that one neighbor that called the police to shout. So Gordon. Bunch of gathering. I'm sure. That's probably what exactly what if there's a bunch of negroes out there with some expensive cars, you they probably all she said know. She said it might be a protest. I, think it's a protest going on and look at all. Look peaceful. Looks suspicious. I mean they didn't do anything, but I just thought it was. It was crazy that you see these kids outside they screaming happy birthday, and you call the police or the owner six zero, but. She? was saying black lives matter happy birthday. Black lives matter same thing. My goodness all right well got positive. I do have a positive note man. The positive note is simply this man. Do Your best and let the rest go. You can't be perfect. No matter how hard you try, so give yourself credit for making an effort and try to stop stressing about the outcome Bradford. Finish y'all wait no reparations. Yes, obviously, fresh podcast hip hop in politics connect. Little Mix between culture music history salty should be less than make you topics research. allographs when we talking with guests dope naibing Franklin Google rocket with the Best Lebron got. Stuff that. 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Episode 65 Randy LaJoie Part 1

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Episode 65 Randy LaJoie Part 1

"Hello my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene Volkov cast your source for all things NASCAR history presented uh-huh q. wear maintain excellence we're going to build us a tone a cargo Daytona what could possibly go wrong both my belts experience but this week Steve He talks about that wicked ride the he took Daytona trying to qualify for the nineteen eighty-four won the cup race on Sunday and that was his very first Winston Cup victory and it was a very very emotional one form but even more so for his wife Kim or Daytona five hundred and then some of the struggles that he experienced while trying to make his way into a top tier rod before he landed with base motor sports and Letroy of course I covered him for quite some time in the Busch series and there's one thing about randy you don't have to ask him what he thinks he will fly issue of Winston Cup seen that covered the first NASCAR weekend at Texas Motor speedway Mark Martin when Bush as rice on Saturday surprise Jeff Burton will but I'm kind of resigned myself to the fact that I'm going to have to spend all day at the Nascar Hall of fame with your display is right at my display championship contest you picked joy Lugano and are picked any Hamlin now you're not going to try to slug me on pit road has more than provide information e provides entertainment an interview with rain-delayed joy isn't so much just an interview as it is long come on man Steve this week we have just what is an absolutely amazing interview with rain winning his first Bush's championship in Nineteen ninety-six it's in the busch series at random and enjoy has made his mark he tried very hard to break into cup company sending out commemorative copies from Darlington I've grand national scene now that's not gonna be too bad now pretty good but singing your praises all missile agent yes he is now in our second segment with the Cup circuit headed to Texas this weekend we're going to go back to the April tenth nineteen ninety seven no but those boys had a nice tete-a-tete raised when you say had a nice what mm-hmm there's a famous now famous video over watching him winning the Oh yeah yeah she sitting there in this pit and she's just Steve I'll tell you what I picked up a little bit of ground bright not nearly now I'm not giving up I know you're I'm not giving up that's not in my DNA addition did not quite do it as well as he wanted to is back I think he only had forty four starts years but boy series hey the man have lived with the family business at big tables pretty darn cool when you're in a championship that's for sure we're GONNA GANO DAMNING GET dinner Saturday Steve of all the drivers that you and I could have picked last week in Brian is out she's happy for peeve and said this is what he's wanted all is life and of course that track had been very controversial before the event with North Wilkspur and expansion and bruton versus Nascar it it didn't get much better once the Green Flag Ville because thirteen I'm usual race weekend at Texas and also in this issue the April Tenth Nineteen Ninety seven issue Winston Cup saying there's a feature cars Steve Thirteen cars crashed in the first turn of the first last lab I lab was a most Out Listeners are definitely going to get an earful out of these podcasts absolutely and when it comes to an interview random joined on Johnny rumbling where have you gone johnny that's a blast from the past also there is a short news item that Rainier Wash Racist and Steve this week we have pay POW support from our friend Jamie Bishop and Steve He was already a huge twitter handle Nascar Addis Addy Uso he's got Nascar Addis he's a rash five hundred issues and turn them over to us to share with our Patriots supporters and this week we got a tweet from one of those Patriot supporters Fred Rosado and he goes by the Titanic Work of art that was this made for TV let's find it as you mentioned the word titanic because it's made for TV movie sank day NASCAR and all Associated Anyway Mascot forget the past that they don't have any teacher hi I'm border of the show he was the one who provided us with all the classic issues of Winston Cup saying he went to that market in South Carolina bought and would be supporting an upcoming made for TV movie and of course we just had lawrence here on our show for some reason he didn't mention this it is perfect and I'm so thankful you sent me this one I was actually reading it and started getting a little choked up thank you so very much and your severe and the next year you had to Daytona to attempt to qualify for the five hundred how did that deal come about Bob Johnson Hall of Fame Save the commemorative issue of grand national saying that we did with Darlington five dollars a month you'll get one issue wants to cut saying ten dollars a month you'll get to issues Wednesday cups a disease so then you said something about who took the picture and that picture was taken by believed him Wilcox Yeah Cox Randy in nineteen eighty three you ran your first full schedule on the old Bush north tower in a second tweet Fred added you guys out did yourselves trying to find the right edition to send me based on my style and favourite drivers back in the day he said that was a perfect addition to send me that was the year I met Gant and graduated high school also when my Nascar Phantom became so here's the deal five dollars a month or more on Patriot not only will you receive at least one of these classic issues of Winston Cup saying you'll also route thank had Richard Petty on the cover and there's a young child there and he's looking up at Richard just this look of all absolute show support that address would be pay POW dot me slash the same podcast chance to impress you we can do it patriotic dot com slash the same ball podcast and also if you would prefer to do at one time that kind of impact on free and Steve I say all that to say we have plenty more papers that can have that same kind of impact on people I see aww basically just got in the tub where I was keeping the papers that Jamie given us and I just picked one out basically random right and it had he's fat little boys that cover that was very very popular cover an so fred slash nascar goddess send us a tweet and maybe you can take some medicine but he actually thanked us for the papers that Wade sent the classic issue of Winston Cup saying that sent from January of Nineteen Ninety sees Richard Petty and it's just in awe right there so that was a very very notable picture one that brings back fond memories damn our staff the late Tim Willcox we lost them to AOL as yes he took that picture in the picture so perfect in the way that young fans right and you know any way possible that fans can support us yes that gives them a chance to have the same kind of memories and reaction at bread did they always had race cars Grew up in Danbury race Dan Barry so they always had racecars Danbury became friends with his kids nine twenty dollars a month you'll get four and so on so forth Fred was very impressed with what we sent him and I believe that other people can be to fans give us he could pound you in the ground like Bam Bam is quite intimidating but a known him forever my dad drove for Bob in seventy local guy in it so they put me in it and I had a great time golly but you know coming from the modified twenty. I was racing at noodle London on Saturdays New London Waterford in Connecticut and Fridays at Stafford a promoter at New London had Gucci Old Bob Johnson Bob Johnson you didn't mess with him no no not even close if he didn't just scare by his looks Gussie a long time and the snowman brothers were local construction guys always racecars Darren Connecticut and Connecticut okay a lot going into three we tend to go and he spun around and my dad went and drove right over his front tires and over his roof over defense and ended up in the parking lot so I've known Bob'll standard is I don I need you to drive my car okay I got a uniform so he borrowed one from Richie and Charlie dissolved race go karts with his kids and one thing that I do another and they said okay we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go Sold all my modified stuff sold my modified stuff to Teddy Christopher five lepers one hundred fifty lap race Got The lead probably twenty laps in and I I this is easy well forty five laps and I was burned out he's a couple races a matter of fact you've talked over the fence in the spring Sizzler Wanted to spring scissors I wanNA say it was seventy com steve that's what I think is so perfect about this entire archive because I'm going to be honest with you I didn't give picking that issue out a whole lot of so we went out and tested and how you rutten two hundred mile an hour you know something totally different than I have ever done and underbody yeah you're qualified rice you come off turn four and you get into the grass net looks like you bounced over one of the access whatever at what point tires were hanging on news essay at the end of the race. I don't know where I finished I come in ca five or seventy six Barred Richie Evans fire shoot we're up there to watch a they called them and they don a dry come up two flights and so we went up so we're going to build us a Daytona Cargo Daytona you know what could possibly go wrong we went and we went down to here yeah correct did you know that you were in trouble well luckily a before we got the garden racetrack down there in testing stuff records I said that's what you're supposed to do I was way before your way my way widow Harry Hi that's exactly what I was thinking said he very softspoken I mean he minds me of the woods you know he was at the kind of demeanor very very nice very calm very so he says Bush North Tour Decor Store Store Stroz store or the special event so to promoters said Hey Randy you wanNA drive one of these cars you know there's a taxicab I race card Daniel Christopher head Oh wow was mine yeah my last one that I had was his first there's a lot of people that were mad at me for that Kevin Kevin know something Wilson Kenny Ken Wilson Owen Wilson was bought one put it in a car for okay I said okay that's that was real life story number one and we ran that year we got rookie of the year up North Bob was good friends with Mike McLaughlin you're going to happen quick says you're GonNa slide you know remember Richard saying hey there's two kinds of accidents here one you hit something hard quickly or you're going to press and it seemed like that thing picked up fifty mile an hour so I was like okay and Richard Said you're going to slide along as before you hit something and when you hit it it's going to be hard don't try to save it so you grew up across the race track deter left most of the time it works out so here we go we had engine trouble we lost a couple engines we bought one from Richard Petty here I was I mean Hell I'm twenty five years old you know and he says Randy he says you know what happened and yeah you Carter and handle you know what I mean of course at the tunnel and he just turned the car sideways so when it turned the car sideways is okay turn it left lock it out well but I tell them I did that I was already in through you know they had these rookie meetings well you know had Dave Marcus yet Richard Petty Dick Beattie from Nascar you know and they hey guys you know this is if you get in trouble but I want to legend Teddy was somebody mad that doesn't sound right so we just I sold all that we and we went Carswell he says no you drove it too fast food or corners and I just looked at that man lucky at two heads you know he's that's all you drove too fast hi Dr Taxicab no and they had a traveling car will see Crouch Robbie Crouch Dad always had like a house car so he brought it and then they always put what my open face helmet the radio thing he says your radio thing was stuck against your cheek it was in your mouth he go so I opened your mouth to pull your Radio Mike Laughlin Bob Wondering I wanted to run the front steer car back in the day him and Mike Laughlin put that thing together and then Bob was one of the first one took a deep breath I sucked passage so I tell people that's the reason I ended up to be the way I am is because I had one twenty five and when I left pit road I thought something was wrong because I could like tires up cheese I never could like tires up second third year I was like wow it's like a boy and I look down and see grass and I said you know I think I need to take a deep breath and I took a deep breath and I woke up probably four hours so you've got time to think about yeah I remember I remember like I remember like it was yesterday so I'm sitting watching where I'm going to hit and I was like okay this he told me multiple times that they spend a million dollars in building defend yeah already one of the things I think is so interesting later I started to remember about four hours later in hospital and the next let's see spend a day in the hospital went out the next so Saturday went back it oh my gosh you up so I mean that was etched in your mind for every day in these rookie meetings turned left lock it down turn it left block it down so okay start last I mean it was thirty cars in race doesn't elapsed fifteenth I'm already into qualified spot and I ain't lifted lied and hit something hard because as fast as you're going he goes if you remember he says to pull a belts tight and take a deep breath right before you think you're gonna hit the fact that in your office here you have a collection of your helmets from throughout your career and I'm sitting here looking at the Helmet that you wore vapor lock in there I'm not sure how but so I thought okay thank you in Daytona treated me well after that yes up in Connecticut but in one of those pictures you could see wanted to sheets of fencing stuck into the window that day and it has a pretty substantial gash in the back of it from where something his PPC defense there's a pit Graham car I come up on him going into three sucked up to coming out of four okay I'm GonNa pass them so I turned left hit the bump yeah Evan Rude cards she was sitting in the grandstand and she had gotten a new camera and she had the whole sequence from star in a four then five races and the championship in nineteen eighty five but after that going through rice in reference in some of the other statistics and stuff I couldn't you know so okay it wasn't my time randy came back that year and had a really good season Bush north you won four races in it to finish it pitchers and I remember I we gotta such sent me a set and they were at the junkyard they still might be at the Junkyard Yeah I pulled to grab the wheel and I'm watching Nelson Defense has gone and I'm seeing sky and I was like out the windshield you know so okay so white and found girls and golf messed around with short-track stuff late nineteen in okay this this ain't bad we're okay here so we went and did it and ended up on my leg yeah you ended up leading you hood Leeann about the size of a softball I pulled it out of your how dare he says you're you started moving your legs you open your eyes and well thank you very much vapor lock yeah and I'm just having a great time yeah hi Lo I mean I'm just guessing it up and go well I come up out Sterler Mall and he was in the Hessel number seventeen eighties and early nineties you kind of bounce around a little bit from Bush deal with Frank CC to cut deals with Jim Rosenbloom and kill Jabre and a couple of others and then that following year I guess it was welcome to the nineties because it was still late eighties was somebody had more money than I did how difficult was that for you was there ever a point where you just wanted to chuck the whole driving thing and going a different direction oh plenty of times I mean forevermore to work for that year and I was a second and we had a some very good runs never one never want bothering me you know sure in the the what's her name from Wisconsin the Mueller family they always race to eighty nine card date John Jim Solder always got married in eighty eight was at Pocono talking to Jimmy Spencer and Jimmy said Hey letroy and I know Jimmy because he's a scrapper modified guy and looking house I got a bunch of stuff in your mouth he's I reach in and pull the clump of grass and dirt out of your mouth he says have no money You know I just decided helmet bag I got you know so frank needed some money so frank took took a driver with money so I mean I this was that up North House sold in Connecticut Yeah Store in Connecticut you know so here was we just got married just moved into a house and I said I'm leaving I said I'm going to try this so I had an apartment down here would have buddy of mine he had an apartment so I moved into his living room and went to work ended up working for the team for a couple years off my fabrication shop down here because I liked it down here it was nice wasn't easy haimes and we're GONNA we're we're going to go cup racing you know dozen times or so I went to Atlanta construction business at the time wasn't as good as they thought it was going to be for the for the Bush race and was walking down pit road and firemen draw dressed up because you know who I am I said I don't Sir because Rice House helped you get out of the car I said Okay Hey I'm good so it was a month after I got married you know and I told a wife I said honey I says I want to do so I mean I you know you're you're there's a reason I'm here because you know that was by a couple inches away from you know cut my dam neck also go back there with come back with three victories there is okay I got you back you know and I made the play safer for everybody else NASCAR wasn't happy because my wife moved down about six eight months later thankfully she got a job you travel agency so she she got herself a job so okay you know okay so I'm locked up I my dad always taught me never let go through so I go out there and we both my belts while you're stunned have enough experience you gotta get ten years experience another ten years yeah you know and here I am I'm mid twenties and okay you know so how do you do that without nickel really find much for nineteen eighty six what were a whole lot eighty six eighty seven eighty eight then then do a whole lot different went back to Daytona we blew up a couple of we're not quitters never quit nothing in my life and every time when I drove cowbells car to sixty six trotter car drove that five times arena driver cliff Stewart always call cliff stewart up a lot of guys virtual decided and back in the day they said okay you know so it was plenty of times I wanted to say okay we're done you know I could go home and make a very good living with family business and I said but you know this is something that is okay and I'm watching the fences gone and I'm seeing sky there was plenty of times I wanted to say would you know I could go home and then make very the people that were out in AMAC's Racecard Maxx race cards were the first ones out or I knew the family that started it and so we I said okay so I call frank frankly get a high he says you know I think it was three hundred dollars a week he says you know work on the car and talking about race hollers yeah I remember I drove the Ray mock hollered down I laugh those guys they called me up because I always beat him up you need it we've dealt with them a bunch in his haste I'm going cup racing he says and see need somebody to drive that Bush car us you need to go dry Bush car also okay whatever is it same battle it is today if you don't have a lot of money so you know did whatever I could to keep food on my table you know I did anything thank thankfully when I grew up in a junkyard I had a truck drivers licence so guys would use truck drivers license I drive a truck you paying yeah okay twelve we took you out at car related stretcher because and those guys didn't know what to do because you weren't breathing I said really I said so he's it's GonNa be cool I'll have a trading card and low behold you know right before I would pack my bags up and go home I'll get a quarterly check from he says you know what I'm GonNa put you on East maxx race cards with trump Arctic you know you're supposed we're supposed to have a minimum and that would be wonderful and I don't know hard times five or six years after past and you know I don't know how parents deal with that kind of stuff and it has to be difficult so you know Dick was different wasn't the same Dick that I knew you know three or four years earlier so we're having a terrible year great year on Shrek but kept for Bobby Hamilton and Bub Buddy Baker we're driving for so we went to next year last year V six and feels that you did during that period was at Orange County in late nineteen ninety-three when you qualified second and finished fourth in the number seventy four exactly and I think that might have been the only money ever made souvenirs randy wanted the one off ice motor sports car how did that come about Birdie Birdie I knew Steve Bird from New England he was I knew Doc Benton come in and run that thing for the year and I had gone into wonderful ninety three Uh hey I need you for a weekend up here okay so we qualified second we got spun out made up I think a couple of laps finished fourth and after the race and okay so we had a great year I mean we we started the tail end I think ninety two with Fana- I was driving a truck up okay come to find out you know. They had fifteen motors that they've had in their arsenal okay next year we're building new motors we're just gonNA use lookout our I don't have to go home now you know that helped tremendously so maxx race cards helped you stay stay put yeah otherwise I was gone tonight too weak and Birdie was guy you know they did everything together and so I've known Birdie for forever and Birdie worked for base Bumgarner and something happened boy we were leading the points and we blew up like six in a row okay you know what happens you know I don't know you know Dick was going through some what we have that didn't work out so well so at the end of that year the fina people I mean they were wonderful the CEO was up his dad ran racetracks my dad racetrack so we knew each other and he used to work for Pizza Daca used to be called a traveling man because they would race five six blamed for it but so I've always had a good relationship with him so they called and they had fina as a sponsor birdie every time he would go somewhere and go testing or he had he had some young guys who's helping these hey come over help these guys and I would jump in the car run it and set a baseline and neat man Rod Haddock Neat Neat family so the end of the year I get a chance bobby bodies moving to Joke Gibbs drove Dick Monroe so dick and my dad or good friends they grew up together they my dad did a lot of things that are still in the Moore Cadillac because Mr Bagua Bill Bill you know he was going he goes suck you ever need a job you got one here okay that's okay so that was that inscribed on you know we just WanNa Championship but they're leaving you know Kinda need I'm GonNa try to do this saying you know what let me let me Call Fina I I'm not sure what's going to happen next year over Murrow so I was like I'm going to run cup cards I said but don't get mad because this sport needs you which Brag and they fired sprague and they had Johnny Benson coming in already so johnny couldn't come down and run Orange County and I did some stuff aft- Fina I called Mr Hat and I said Rod and I says deal you do things away everybody you're you're ah sixty four car and upgraded his equipment trickled thanks me a lot because I wrecked a lot of stuff just had a wonderful relationship I still do I still have a good relationship with the robby one other one is running the company now I just drew it just couple of different times I was like I never thought okay I didn't know they're coming out does a one in any they come accordingly your customers like this like this worked for you your company you know it works for your divisions and he said you had does because this is going good I said listen and he's leaving Bill Davis and bills that hey you're on dry for me I don't know man cup car yeah Bobbie told me I probably shouldn't solidified a race car driver okay you know I wanNa Championship in one a couple of championships in the north So just solidified yourself knowing that okay okay I'm out of work second call was Bill Bumgarner I said Bill I need a job and he says okay you got one benches Lebron trying to go too fast than this okay whatever so I upgraded shoemakers equipment the foul near the end of that year bill says Hey it was a straight line guy and so my dad would talk to him about the rounding route stuff you know he's hey we got we got some stuff over here that you can help to so my dad and Dick and Morose Oh always in your heart you knew you could race against these guys and you could win but you never did well then go to Nazareth wanted to tricky despite being all but passed out in the car and after the race you pretty much collapse on pit road what happened in jail we had you get your first win at national what did that mean to you personally well it's close to home had a lot of family there a lot of friends there from the Cup car okay this is wonderful so I call my lawyer and he's got a five year contract you'll be because they didn't they didn't finish the year out well with Dick Dick at six eight different drivers in the car so I called Avocado and I said Ron I said Letroy what's happened I said Okay Dan did here so okay that's good so my third call was a dentist shoemaker shoemakers butchers life I've called a Manson's I was blue in the face had a lung infection afterwards would in a chassis that everybody used to use would keep the lead gets racing and have fun and so made some calls after the meeting Mr Hat all says can we do this it wasn't any hotter but it was just you know I'm not sure what it I remember sending Todd Bodine off my off the hood going down the backstretch and I might need some help so okay much oxygen later I was okay but for most of the year you're kind of chasing David Green for the championship and all the I see okay so just just put it out there so I made some internal calls that I knew somebody keep players so I call them I wanted to get them in my corner because they were going to drive that car and there's opportunity that really put you guys on the car because I know you told me not to get upset he says but boy we didn't have a good year and it was just okay you know I've been south for eight years now and I said okay I I it just racetrack's out there to get to first win I it was it was more than magical I it was definitely it opened the floodgates you could say because you know the so I'm not sure it's all the teams got long David just a little different David treated his team different he he always wanted to put cup drivers in his car he was one of those what are those Zeta first one's the hardest and the rest come easier or I'm not sure to come easier but they sure did come a little bit better you go to Talladega you finish third that I said well I said put it out there I says I I know you guys got your ended a year things common because I'm pretty sure it's we're done He went for a ride and I remember his wife Lynn just give me all kinds of hell at the gas pumps and as she was what's wrong with you yeah and I would see that you know so crew guys in me always got along and I would always you know rid myself title was out of reach you know I don't think so Ke- because what advantages we had was the oh you win another four races in ninety six you're still one hundred twenty eight points behind him with four races to go was there ever a sense that the weekend so I put them in touch with bill and that was a good four year relationship you know I mean it worked out well for most guys you go into nineteen ninety six and even had an interview and He patted himself on the back lot during that interview and sort of next week when I went to the racetrack I made sure sorta would was burning a whole race coming into the car and I I smoke like a damn hickory smoke you know and and you were barbecued yeah house like I was never a cup driver well after my stint in the Cup series he said sure I hire you for the rest of the yeah it was great so I filled in uh-huh yeah so I was like okay whatever you know two stars and you see everything's okay so I went there and about before I left before right that's a guy I said Hey I got an opportunity next year says with this base motor sports they won the championship I says I'm dogs so you had to outrun the leaders one or two cautions outrun a leaders got one lap back it took a long time they had a couple of wrecks in an accident with David Hutto just thirty laps into the race what was your thinking at that point you still don't ever know what's going to happen yeah and and you need the sport because it seems like all your customers really liked this so okay six months later eight months later I get fired halfway through the year car destroyed some would spacer necessarily lead don't slide before I started using tubing the woodfire on the track on purpose and that maybe some deals we're going back in the pets and everything I had a friend Roger Hamilton Roger and Cheryl Hamilton within enough points to David to win so according to David just clarify according to David David to this day claims that Rodney combs stopped thirty five on Sundays at church stuff so I was there I don't WanNa let me stop over and see Roger and Cheryl so I stopped over set hydrogen show let me walk over and see Rodney David can help you guys pushed a car you know I would always you know work on those guys okay and then they did being let go from the twenty two cup car bouncing around a little bit in the late eighties and early nineties what was it like to hold that trophy in victory lane you know it ain't nothing on the radio ever said about nothing David to this day says thou man you're GonNa answer my question why have a chance to ask it so I when you sit there and you're you win a championship any any race is for race car driver at alternate I mean that's man is Xilai I if they did get a check it wasn't from me Randy after everything that you've been through in your career I know that I got a hold on my right side door I don't know what kind of damage is around I see I can see the earth you know when I look out the right and okay that point lead cut in half and we're like okay we can do this you go into homestead and you've got the leading standings but you get caught up exactly costume come out And it was Rodney Colds Rodney combs was driving a forty-three whatever car was but distinct was tore up I'm hey listeners this is Eric Quin general manager of q where we are so proud to partner with Rick and Steve and the scene vault podcast in order weather feeling I guess if you play you want to win the series or super bowl or whatever you know World Cup but racing you know when you get that Victory Lane Trophy and then I how you right what do you do what I saw I said you did stop on a racetrack deleted I could do tables pretty darn cool when you in a championship fight that's for sure it was looked like Talladega Rick obviously got in before and so he was parked in Malaysia backstretch that got on the lead lap and I was like well cool the guys were into right they had to they were neighbors in shops there were side by side neighbors down there behind be SR ninety six car and US and uh all year long and they show you the respect that a cake your champion I mean that's it doesn't get better you know and it's in that big table that big you know so I like it I'm pork I you know I'm poking a fire you know and then David crash out at Charlotte and that just opened the door and we needed to get our back again so on one or two restarts I very good tightened the belt is hard I can't enjoy his could to stay in front of their leaders for a couple of APPS cool shop museum healthcare facility every office every building it all needs to be maintained that the information facilities team needs to keep your building up and running isn't it in Steve in radio joys office at his shopping bring you these great shows that you're hearing every single week for over thirty years the scene was the only place you needed to go to find the NASCAR content news that you needed and wanted the most I kind of emphasize and I was like okay where's that guy pat himself on the back how come he worked on this deck concord three of the four walls in his office are lined with shelves containing basically all of the helmets that he ever worn his credit I guess I if I paid off that's it I cut his basically what you're saying is you cut his grass so now you're even Greg House after the fact win a championship and you go there and they announce your name in the place stands up that you know wanted to beat you to look at that helmet and say that Gash and then to see the video of this accident yeah it's pretty scary where I'm sure that randy know something after this worked for straighter they they run and schrader racing at the time they lived in a neighborhood right next to Rodney combs I had a buddy of mine I lived in a neighborhood and I would go there. 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S. dot com forward slash seen QR is a product of the CNS companies cure maintain excellence anywhere and see what we can do for your workplace now joy the rest of this week's podcast and when you get a minute check us out at cms dot com for slash seen that's cute Schmidt system one source one solution that provides you with all the information you need to get the job done and we know that every building every campus every factories seatbelts and tighten up and then right before he made impact he was thinking clearly enough to take a deep breath so he knew rookie meetings and everything and he said that Richard Petty had actually made the comment that you're either gonna hit very hard very suddenly at Daytona or on a slide a long long way at Daytona and then hit very hard in this accident randy had tom to actually pull down on coming off turn four trying to qualify for the Daytona five hundred that year during one of the qualifying races to look at this helmet there is a gash at the it's a pretty cool little discipline but front and center in that display is the helmet that randy was wearing when he crashed at Daytona so so severely and all the evidence he left he is lucky to hear Randall Ajoy talking about this accident he was a rookie at Daytona so he had to go to all the bring you the scene ball podcast we accu- era just as proud to provide the most simple to use inexpensive cloud maintenance solution on the market today we'd be honored to have you look fingertips then you probably losing time money she wear allows your maintenance team to access the important information from anywhere in the world would just push over but this proudest we are too back of the helmet that he says was caused by either the guardrail coming through the car or a sheet metal from the hood or something orey Yeah Randy is very blessed well it makes you admire first responders as well yes sir and you mentioned the corner coming off turn four and that wall across traffic luckily he didn't get impacted feel Fini at the end of the nineteen eighty firecracker four hundred he sustained a number of injuries and never raced really reached in his mouth include out dirt that was causing him not to be able to breathe very well now oh yeah to hear that in Steve his helmet came off good in that accident unbelievable nineteen eighty-one by the way the first year of downsizing Dan Meta firemen who had evidently gotten him out of the car and noticed randy was either not breathing or having a lot of trouble breathing and action at the Winston Cup level again not teen eighty-one pre-season testing Greg Sacks was driving one of the new downsized cars for Richard childress racing vice down from one hundred fifteen and that may great deal the difference in out of the car handled Darrell Waltrip got into that wall during the nineteen eighty two Daytona swail I wanted to do a little research you know what happened in that he died a little more than a year ago on October thirteenth two thousand eighteen he was eighty years old and I gotta be honest with his obituary is probably one of the best I've ever read it wasn't so much just straight information somebody actually took time to write a story well Roger was cutting grass I said Roger let me hit the law more so I'm going to drive over there just let me let me add to Lamar so I get the more I drive thank you say to tighten the belt take a breath that was on Thursday he came back to the track spent the night in hospital came back to the track blame it on Saturday he said it was the whole bit Harry Gant spun off turn four during the nineteen seventy nine Daytona five hundred his rookie year and he backed into that Wall came back that kind of jutted out and put it out there on twitter and had several different ones mentioned and then I went down the I went down the Youtube Right Oy we know what that means well evidently Ralph developed a pretty serious drug problem when Wilma drug him to church wanted writers degraded all-sports made the scene the ultimate source for NASCAR information we've taken that same philosophy and applied it to our online maintenance order to combs his backyard and cutting the grass what the hell are you doing. She didn't know whose cutting grass I about his life and career so I thought that was kind of interesting now nats his real name was Ron and his Mama Wilma and his Daddy Ralph met when she was a teen five hundred and got banged up pretty badly he said later that that was probably the most beaten up he'd ever been in Iraq save for the broken leg that he experienced at Gaetana Rodney Howard nineteen eighty three busch series race flipped and of course not in eighty four yeah it was just one car after another ricky rudd and the Bush clash out in the sport but nets payers hit basically the very same place Randy had came back into traffic he's hit by Jim Hurlbert and St across that grass and lose no speed before it had impact into the wall but at the same time did offer randy the time to do randy during the qualifying race and then I thought it was pretty impressive that Dale earnhardt Jr. tweeted a video of a accident that happened in age beauticians assistant and he was according to the Obeit a union enforcer and notorious bad Bible Study Group and they all prayed over and they asked for him to be safe while using it there were appealing to a higher authority. Steve here's the there is this just this horrible horrible fire right once Dale Jr. tweeted that and several other people had mentioned that accident is royalties and it was thirty five hundred four thousand from Max Reiss cards correct really yes because they're the only ones around and I was like eighteen eighty four during the consolation race Nats Peter's Nats baiters that's out there that's a name that we don't hear uh-huh and he turned out to be church plow about basically all over the United States now Ronnie who would come to be known as nats he started driving race cars and Zaid door and has Arcadia is saint good put it we were still the car wasn't bad that's okay you know we're couple apps down they didn't have the wave around and you had the Palma bought him a brand new suit to us when he made his debut at Daytona and she took it to her lady there was more than one such incidents at Daytona as a guys struggle take customers downsized car which was one hundred ten inches in the wheel and I think where it happened out of the poor turn at that particular time there was a lot of grass and if a car got out of control it was slide what happened in the pits is a forty three car stop on the backstretch and that allowed us you know to get back on the lead lap and to to finish catch he was wearing this suit in this accident in state it wasn't so much as even seen jd just a little bit and it didn't even have a smell of smoke even though his goggles had actually melted to Hispanics MAG preach it brother all speed and he wasn't even hurt in that he went straight to church eventually became the track chaplain at East you were on a couple of different tracks racing car has nineteen ninety-one card number one thirty your rookie card had to have surgery that lasted for more than five hours he'd sustained first and second degree burns on his face and left arm facial lacerations broken hey the possible broken jaw and a severely fractured right ankle and also UPI story for Dean cute a few times in Arca through nineteen ninety nine so that corner was very very very dangerous and he reported that story and had all the information about GM's injuries GM never raced again in Nascar did come back and he raised here and there and nineteen eighty-four this who wrote it they went yes sir and Deb does details very well Bay raceway park in Tampa hi about that again doing google searches and everything you can find all kinds of things I found getty images photo of Jim Hurwitz well here we go I found a ups story that said Nats painters had gotten through that accident in good shape but then hurlbert been much of a career at all if any well you know I have to remind myself quite often that I am in the presence of greatness when we do this podcast because ask your question and a decade later Ron Slash nights was driving a van and it got hit by a semi going for his wife moved down and took a job with a travel agency going believe it or not stave were absolutely you know because if it hadn't been for those I would assume he would have gone back home to Connecticut well I assume you're correct and his career well it wouldn't it quarterly royalty checks for Max Reiss car and they would be you know two or three thousand dollars and that helped him Lisa stay put randy he was very very fortunate to have gotten through that accident in good shape he moved from Connecticut to Charlotte in nineteen eighty eight went to work for frank beginning in Nineteen eighty-five that grassy area coming off turn four was paved over right and I think that was a big improvement but that while judd and out it's car in this accident and Steve the front of his car is pancake all the way back to the windshield and it's on fire had managed by a lot of problems solved a lot of problems 'cause car hits at grass and it picks up speed hits the asphalt part and gets lifted up and bad things happen getting back to how can I could not find win that was replaced I can't remember to be honest with you but the paving flex down there that solves is available on Ebay for two dollars and eighty four cents plus three ninety nine shippen so for about seven bucks see and was going to drive but somebody came along with more money he opened up a Fab shop he actually drove the transporter for Ray mark and a couple of other teams laser folks. You can pick up a Steve Wade rookie card I don't know how much of our calls for that then the very next year also card number one thirty you're on a dual card with pappy Tom Hagen's Tom's photo was very obviously taken in the Martinsville press of these cards of Iowa early eight for ninety nine cents each if you buy one plus three dollars and fifty cents ship and if by two you get him for eighty nine cents each API by three you get them for seventy nine cents and this is the deal if you buy four or more vice right I couldn't pick up on where years was taken I was also more yeah okay I now one seller one seller has thirty eight uh-huh oh randy during that time where he was kind of bouncing around in the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties he did happen to run you see the Darlington commemorative issue on Ebay and then we see all these Steve Way tracks cards on Ebay call the coincidence Busch series race at Orange County in nineteen ninety-three for base motor sports and I had forgotten that until I started doing the research for this interview in for that race he actually qualified second finish fourth and after the race team owner Bill Baumgartner came to him and told him said hey if you ever need a job just give me maybe we can make that one of our patron incentive deals send in your race cars we don't want to chase people away for rice car and then randy took it to the dot teen Nice six Busch Series Championship going into that championship run his main rival business doing not to I I will say this I will say that can't be coincidence when he formed a relationship with Fana- as their sponsor he actually got a Winston Cup rod with Bill Davis racing in Nineteen ninety-five that didn't work out aw good yeah so I thought that was pretty cool randy got his big break body driving in nineteen ninety four Dick Miro and that was also very important stave going back and thinking about some of the races dot covered that seventy four base motor sports FANA- sponsored car was a rich and conspiracy theory ever go David Greene insist that there was some kind of deal making going on between base and Rodney Yeah I believe there was somebody on the Grassy Knoll we're going to go back to the April Tenth Nineteen Ninety seven issue of Winston Cup seen that covered the for for that championship was David Green and here's a piece of Trivia for you stave off David Greene was the very first driver who ever remember game for sixty nine cents each there's a real unfortunately that Asia has long since patched so how is that Ebay years ago well I hope it still holds true and then they all said well that'd be Great Janis Lieven but we're also losing Lipton he was released I wanNA say halfway through the year I think it was after Talladega and Randy made calls to build bumgarner and said hey you remember that promise she made me a couple of stay followed Brian Caleb on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and also check out his inventory at speedway t s first NASCAR weekend at Texas Motor speedway Jeff Burton won his very first Winston Cup race in ninety six races and Steve I don't know that I remember this he did it with away screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot Ed Dot Com in a story or getting an opinion Jeff Burton was the ideal man to go to Texas didn't exactly have a coming off turn to something happened and todd loss control and wound up in wall coming off turn to their now Jeff Burton said after the race in this issue okay dot dot com I wonder if I could get her angela joy tee shirt there I have no doubt and David Green Tea yes absolutely obviously rouse racing because he was driving for us rising but I had forgotten that he made his first Winston Cup start for Filmar really out of Nashville the eight car T. as the sponsor and we need some support and surrendered said okay cool I'll give Fana- call and fainted came on board and I'll be honest with you if you push the car and everything and homestead Randy Gibbs into an early accident he has to make up a laboratory he gets back on lead lap when Rodney combs stops on the Baxter I said I really don't think I touched him I was a centimeter from him if I touched him it was so easy I didn't know it and if I touched him it was my fault take sole responsibility and apologized to him but until I say the tape you won't convince me our car was a lot better than his at that point I don't have the reputation for thirty race car the red white and blue as you mentioned a couple of episodes ago that it was very patriotic without trying to be I've seen it I agree with yeah so that was a tame now I don't know about that well we won't be the first time something like that has been accused in asker conspiracy theories you gotTa love him. Tsa Financial I believe Ricky Craven had been hurt in a crash at the track forty five minutes into the first practice session on Thursday and Todd Bohdan was in are they drama free debut there were four crashes four separate crashes on that were third the first day of practice that was on the three different teams I remember him driving for this develop brothers 'cause we've actually talked about list of all the brothers when he had that deal at Richmond and got day queued from the rice call me by my name Rick You know so I thought that was pretty cool and then getting into the season Randy La- joy shocker of all shockers hey talked up with David's crew and kind of played mind games not rained off in radio would say hey where's that driver years who thinks he's all that while he is he life now Jeff Burton GonNa talk about him in the second semi yeah I'm sure he's got Jeff Burton yeah so yeah chick all that out on instagram and twitter at all right so they did so they parked cars on both sides of that highway the traffic on the interstate coming in at highway was backed up Dr Track but before it was completed there was a severe thunderstorm headed towards race track in a tornado warning a tornado warning bond they practiced so they needed that track Tom that's absolutely right they did wise move by the way Steve There was a thirteen car crash going into turn that's right there was actually talk of qualifying on Saturday morning but the driver said that they would prefer to have more practice time right so instead of having quality and one on the

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Cedric Maxwell - Boston Celtics Color Analyst

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Cedric Maxwell - Boston Celtics Color Analyst

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I. So blurred today that they are not going to suspend him forgetting three. It was it was a flagrant foul against both years. It was a it was you know, hit on the head. But you know that happens in the play offs. I mean, it was a flagrant flagrant one. It wasn't a flagrant too. So it's up Laker to file they will suspend you. What they would do. They might find him, you know, undisclosed amount of money, but they wouldn't in four games for one. Basically saying that the officials and the league, right? Yeah. I did. I don't I didn't. You know, what I think that he tried to send a message the pope. Here's he hit him hard. I don't think you try to once they tried to hurt him, you know, the putting permanently, but he sent a message, and that's how NBA playoffs, you know. Are you know, if you come to you have to pay a price that's been since I've played in and before I played and now after. Okay. So I was thinking they're probably play. And then I thought favoritism for the white Howard like Howard. I'm kinda interesting how he's playing in the. Games against you guys versus the games that they had prior in the playoff. Well, you know, I think that he's been more dominant than the games play prior to the Celtics because guys he played with you know, work seem to be intimidated. And the Celtics players, you know, being a championship team being around long. Have don't seem be intimidated. They like the contact. It's a good opportunity to get bumping grind. And I think that's what rush she'd and big baby and perk, all these guys love the physical attributes of you know, banging along with joy. Sorry for that. The okay. I hadn't really planned to start right in on the play offs. But let's let me let me back up a couple of come back to what's happening to play out. Yesterday was the lottery. The draft lottery paid for and the wizards got number one and in two thousand one the wizards no pun intended, phone bold, take that they got which was caught me Brown. Do you think that they have learned anything from two thousand one and the and the pick that they have this time for the same again or thing I don't think that you can necessarily look at if you're gonna make mistakes. I think you choose you try to choose wisely and people get on Michael Jordan for that all the time but making a bad pick. Will you don't know whether pick is going to be until that guy gets into the and actually played mean for while remember people were debating with Rondo say Rhonda was taken later in the draft. The he was you'll not he's going to perform is just a crap shoot. When you're talking about getting young basketball player coming into this league, you know being available having to blaze Dwight how it was one of those guys taking number one. But people mental Okafor was taking that same time. And it was the bait which player to take take Oakland or you take how? And now looking back on it was clear that you go off. You know, how it was the guy we should that. You know, everybody should taking in Orlando did the right thing. But for while everybody was debating made you take over for because he was more solid. He had four years of college really been there done that. And I it just turns out to be a choice. So I don't think that Washington, you know, if they take John Wallis available player from Kentucky. But again, you don't know how he's gonna play until gets into. This is true. I mean, you can go back. I guess go back for ever. Go back ever. Quinn. Michael Jordan was pig and say, I think saying pick number one that year whereas. I guess, you know, the young guys like saying boy was that movie was actually pick number to use big number two number one. Your guy was pick number one Keam LaJoie. Other Houston taking one Sam. Boy over Jordan. But. Right. Right. But then what what happened to Sam? Boy. I mean, you're right. If these. Well, the number one that year was actually a key. So that that's a different argument. Well, I mean, you talk about saying the picked over Michael Jordan that time that he was the best available player nine times. Other ten was gonna happen is you're gonna take the talented big players. But nobody knew that Sam believe is going to break down the way. He was he was injury prone. He got a another injury when we came and leave he had kinda brittle bones. Didn't stay long at all. And you know, look at this way back Portland had taken him with the number one. What would happen to the to another hall of Famer they lay there on or they had Clyde Drexler? So the development of one over the other. You just never can tell how this gonna work out. And and going back to what you were saying earlier about Michael Jordan, adding being extra mental independent for on Brown for the same way. 'cause now Michael Jordan, the owner of the Charlotte. Buck cast. I think last year when you, and I we were argon the Bob casper gonna stay in Charlotte because we already knew that they were something turmoil. But that Bob Johnson was looking to either leave or himself or selves team. At least I thought he was going to sell the team. And that's what happened Jordan eventually just to go with the city of Charlotte wanted them to stay Michael Joyner, Michael Jordan, one them there. Larry Brown, one strong community support Johnson did NBA and did like ownership favorite when he bought the team and show them minorities could come in and on eighteen now the way he ran it history bears and bears here and says that well, maybe it wasn't the best opportunity for him. Maybe he was looking for a return on his money. Maybe the fact that they divorced from his wife who you know to have empire, maybe some incisions. He may maybe changed his business policy about you know, his team in Charlotte. But you know, I think it was an experiment that you know, initially was a good one. But then it quickly turned to be a bad one. Yeah. I think he has problems to the the business environment in Charlotte, which is much different than where he come in from DC to Charlotte is and night day in regards to the culture, the ways the one, okay? Both have done both. So yeah, a lot different than in environment. I don't think he was able to Everton Akron in the area because of that people didn't accept him. And then, you know, we talked about this before the, you know, the legacy that George left behind. Well, I think both ways, you know, him coming into. I don't think that he accepted them nor that they accept him. You know, it was a it was a marriage by convenience. I think when he first got the team because Charlotte one of the team desperately wanted between to own the team. And then once he got there, and and both to be woke people start to learn each other got to be a point where it wasn't going to work out city government open wing, you know, accepting anything about John wanted to do initially. But then after that, they were very resistant to all the other things he wanted to make. And just may really bad marriage. You know, the other part of that they were authors because there was another group that had that included your former teammate Larry Bird as the owner, and the Charlotte, Hans were, you know, they were happy that Larry Bird may have opportunity on teen and Charlotte, and they were embracing that when it became Bob Johnson and became a different story. I think you instantly what they wanted. They got Bob John. I think you know, it was okay. What Bob Johnson the the spectra of having Larry and M L car? Another one of my friends on the team. I think that being cast a shadow because I think the people were a lot more familiar with the name of Larry Bird than they were with Bob Johnson Johnson. Aver successful businessman who is done a lot of great things for his community and for people of color, but at the same time, I think people in Charlotte. You know, they were more. I guess more impressed or more intrigued by these spectra of having a great NBA. You know, one of the Grizz players of all time only team in Charlotte and seeing how far they will go. In the reason, I about Charlotte up 'cause I wanna talk about Michael Jordan ownership. You know, we were just talking about history male. He wasn't picking army Brown. I'm wondering what his how he's gonna run the team. You know, maybe well the beginning of the next season what's going to happen under his reign? Well, I think initially you just wants to you know, several this team and get them going in the right way. Well, the verse step it was was making the playoffs. His team make the playoffs. But unfortunately, they got swept in four games by Orlando. So they obviously they have to make some improvements. I think one of the things that Michael will do and bring this team is maybe a relaxed atmosphere atmosphere because a lot of owners in this league. And Italy are have leveraged loud their money and their business to support their team. Mike Jordan might not be like that. Because Michael Jordan's gonna make forty fifty million dollars a year every year for the rest of his life for that Swoosh that that shoe that shoot deal may with Nike so he's gonna have money coming in. Whereas maybe some other owners might not have the luxury that Michael Jordan. So I think it would be a lot more relaxed atmosphere. It won't be about squeezing the dollar trying to make every dollar turned into six dollars. I think it would be a lot more conducive. Maybe what they wanna do on the basketball business out of it. What about his relationship with Larry Larry Brown? I I don't know how much around has left on his contract or year to year what wedding dealing, but you know, I know that there's been some friction and package there's been some Christian. But I think that it's a healthy friction. I think that as Larry Brown and said, look, Michael we need to here. And there have been loud reports in love incidents where Michael be as been seen either going going golfing when the team was playing or or something else might have happened and that kind of your tiddler Brown. He wanted his owner and one of his his stars. And he's the star in that community and the star of the NBA to be there as a shining light wing for his for the community before his team because it's a legacy that you know, Michael Jordan's pass down about working hard. He wants Michael really the pass it down to split or. So I think that was the big difference that Larry Brown was look, you're -tated. Not having Michael there on the daily basis. And so might go. I think is gonna change his wheels alert bit has been a lot more involved. You see him sitting on the bench for most of the games. So I I think that's kinda chain. So some of that is really comes over over. I think Tim them employer rallies or another two years. Well, you never can tell what liberal as thing. Now. With that team. I think you'll see, you know, you're right. They made the play outfits. I think you impertinent next year. You know, he takes the team and and turns it around. Well, he's been with multiple teams. Larry Brown has so many different homes was in Kansas with the jayhawks. He was in. I know he was in New Jersey for a while. He coached in Detroit. He was in LA. He's been to maybe eight or nine different NBA franchises. He coached with agresson than Philadelphia a lot of big name players, Indiana. But Brown is one of those guys, you know, he's sometimes like that those cotton balls, you know, if they start rolling, and they see no he's out of there. And away from the Bob cats and Jordan, but one one thing for my joined the other live say way, my joy today predicting that LeBron James will go to Chicago. Lebron James and will be a free agent engine to live. I the big big day in the history of sports because LeBron James is the most sought after free agent in the history of any sports, especially in America. You can't think of a guy that has been a free agent as has had more acclaim of war thing shot at him. You know, we can you can think about, you know, Brett barb where he might have gone, but that's really peanuts. Compared to having a young guy who is like twenty five years old the move around and really changed the influence and the power of city and organization that to me issues. So LeBron James, it'd be goes to cargo, you know, I, I don't know. I mean that that's I think is Michael would say that. Because I think he looks at it this way it continues his legacy and Chicago a great player following him. You know, all the things he did there. But then again, also may. Makes sense because he would have LeBron James left and went to Chicago, you'd be playing with Derrick rose, you know, young rising star in this league. No, no of who is been exceptional around rebound the basketball. So he would have some quality pieces around in young quality pieces that he has not had since he's been playing. Yeah. But I I predict that he stays in Cleveland. What? I don't know. I think that you know, what that's not the reason. I well. I don't think I don't think he would like like us do me as my good friend care. No told you something like that. That's why I don't know. Well, that's not the reason. That you're gonna have to give me a reason why you think you might stay in Cleveland. I mean, what is what is Cleveland going? Base. And I just don't see run things to be a loyal type player. He doesn't to me. And then they have because I don't know Bron James, but. He's from that area close to air time. And rooms there, I I I don't know. But the thing is if he stays would they would request a change in coach. Well, if he stays risk. Supporting cast, right. Supporting cast will whether it's happened with the Cavaliers they are over the salary cap. So they can't make any any you know, any that would be -nificant moves if he went to Chicago. And if you wanna win a championship be when cargo Chicago is already under the salary cap. So they could signed a max player like the broad James. And then they they're far enough under they can actually go out inside another maximum player. Maybe whether a signing trade, maybe Chris Bosch, and you add Chris Bosch to that mix with LeBron James, and you know, and and a young point guard that would be a dynamic dual that or trio that really would be, you know, wrecking. So LeBron James wants to win the championship. I think that it would look brighter in a place like Chicago. That's what Michael made their point. Then it really would in Cleveland. But. Thing and say, I don't remember the guy is and the. Managers that was there when my there. I I don't know if I. Laurent life control, just like might lie control, but condo has all the different obstacles in place where he would not be not not necessarily Chicago does not have a head coach right now. And I think that they are like, you know, weighed like LeBron you could you choose to coach and coach you want the bra you choose, you know, the free agent that we go out after you know, other than you. I think right now, you you underestimating the power of LeBron James in the influence, you had the governor of Ohio, and the mayor of Cleveland all serenading, you know, LeBron James we other world come out. Walk weather's stay right now in Ohio. I mean, the influence the New York governor talked about talked about LeBron James come into New York to play with the mix. So it's, you know, the president of the United States talked about LeBron. James going Chicago. I mean, this is a basketball player in the the most powerful man in the world is talking about him coming to eighteen like Chicago. So that is why I think the influenced and the factors so large that LeBron James wherever he goes is going to have initially. He's gonna have some power and say, so what goes on so people in Chicago, he would be to make those kinds of citizens. Caller and their line in cool. I. Hello. Hello. Hello. Yes. I can hear you. You got. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm calling from Lanta. Okay. First of all going to say Hello to everyone. And as a alumni of humor in Charlotte. I have to say that I I love both for you guys. All right. My question is one does there's reading. Cleveland? Where would I mean, I just I mean, I just heard talking about the different things that are buying for? But where would be the that that? Ten wanna you know, do it all by himself? Where can he do that without affecting the the continuity of another team? Well, anyplace LeBron goes going back, the continuity that thing I think if he goes to New York, you know, here's the thing about the Knicks. The Knicks can actually go out and sign two guys to maximum salary contract. So they could go out and get LeBron that go out and get Chris Bosch. But then who would they have to play with them? That's the problem with with the New York. Knicks New Jersey has influence because New Jersey has LeBron's idle. Lebron always says he wants to be the next billionaire who is that guy right now making more money. You know, one guy Jay z who is a part owner in that New York team of the nets team and also the new billionaire owner. Of from Russia broad. Yeah. Is his name my name wrong. But he is the new billionaire owner who is just bought the nets, and it would be another influence in another line that LeBron's go in another room that I've heard and this is probably the best one about the whole Chicago deal is the fact that Jackson might be a free agent. They head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. So he could possibly go back to Chicago. And what does LeBron James need more just as much as eight one? The town. We talked about he needs and experienced championship coach, and he wouldn't get in who can you get better than really feel Jackson. Agree that sounds legitimate the media and good analysis. You mentioned Chicago, did you? Thank you to be a good fit for Chicago. Absolutely. That would be the deal that was that is he when I say feel Jackson that mean, Phil Jackson with leave at Los Angeles Lakers, and he would go to Chicago and coach coach because LeBron there so I think that is to me it's the bit that makes the most sense, but here's the world in the big picture. Sometimes the most sense doesn't make sense to the guy who, you know, his in the middle of LeBron James has all the cars and his hand, he's a free agent. He you know, he can go to any team in the NBA that can fit him under the salary cap or teams would be sign and trae for him. So any team that wanted LeBron service would be able to get him it might cost them? But then again, LeBron James might be worth it. Thank you. All right. To the playoffs. Well, let me back. Recently. I guess it was back in February HBO had a documentary. Call magic versus bird courtship of rival. That you were part of the documentary, which cool and the Lakers versus Celtics rivalry and not only crawling talk about the Lakers versus Celtics and magic versus bird, but also the racial relations during that time in the. How the NBA was prior tune magic. And now things have tremendously chain. Do you? David Stern was a catalyst for that change. You know, I think everything was a cabinet change. I think it needed to change the culture of the NBA was not a good win or not perceived to be a good one at the time of the culture of the NBA was perceived at that time to be a league of you know, of of high flying brothers who spent money who got high who didn't care anything, you know, about themselves about winning. It was all about the money and the perception was that when Larry Bird and Magic Johnson came into league, they changed that into world. Bam Brindley more team oriented league and the team's winning championships were bird and magic team. So it helped in the fluence David Stern when he came in of helping those guys, you know. Philip into you know, players bigger than life. The NBA always been about his players, and it's planned stepped up and became bigger and bigger than bid they became just as big as the NBA for a while. Today, Mr. actually, really like stir, and he, you know, he's expanded the Lee in so many different ways, you know, not just within relations, but even branch in the NBA to make international versus being just a National League. Our wondering, you know, get how from the outside looking in wondering, you know, he's the catalyst for you know, all the chain. Not just the, you know, financial monumental change in regards to international Lee, you know, if he influence in regards, and, you know, and as I think about that also, you know, he was out. You're right when we're talking early pushing for a minority owner, so absolutely. I think that you know, the league not bypass ago like Bob Johnson. I think Larry Bird was influential in helping league. But at the same time if you want to expand the eyes of the public you in. And you had a minority owner out there who had business savvy not necessarily NBA savvy, but business savvy and made a bunch of money you couldn't pass by in the NBA at that time chose him over Larry Bird. And I think there was some there was some regrets about that. But at the same time, I could understand that position that the NBA has. And that's a great move to the the the playoffs. Because now we're looking probably this season. Again, there's potential of a Celtics -versities Lakers. Yeah. That would be I mean that would be ideal for the VA they'll be there for television partners of ESPN, and they'd be see. I mean, there would be again. It's it's just when you have two of the best teams to the most recognized franchise. He's coast versus west coast playing at a high level. I think that is going to the ratings are going to be great rating. I mean, you look back on it. And think about how some of the the radiance were when Miami played that was the ratings weren't good because you had two teams not traditional teams. That didn't excite anybody. If you have coach. Hey, Brian and Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. And you know, you can go down lame are tests. That already is great theater. So you would love everybody's tuning in to see that in this. And during the times, I played it was very high rated basketball when it came out, you know, your ratings and and in the west and still talking about. Race relations, and in that same frame of mind during against it would gain to game to the semi autumns. Okay. Well, anyway with Arizona Arizona decided to where the low sun jerseys. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Which we spurred by the Bill passed their zone, which gives the police more latitude to question and detain people that they think are undocumented citizens. Do you think the NBA should be involved in politics? Politics, are should they been? I mean, the sports is in sports and real life. Sometimes go hand in hand. And I think you're talking about a community of Spanich people who are very big, you know, in that era Zona area and the team just did not like that direction now. And sometimes I think you can that the message can get mixed up. I mean, politically does is it is goodwill for the NBA to be involved with breast cancer is that's been little issue. Sometimes what people they're right. How about the right of prayer, George? She, and as you mentioned the formal owner of the Charlotte one used to wanna pray before every game. Well, you know, a lot of people dislike that so you have politics or religion, all these things mixed up together. I think that's just goes in hand in hand with the with the real world. You can't be a turtle. And put your head down or ostrich put your head in the sand. You know, because the real world makes you make adjustments their fans in Arizona are a lot of Spanish people, and what they were saying that the Bill pretty much if you are, you know, police the you and they say if you look like you're acting suspicious, and they can documents you and asks you where you from. Well, this is America. I mean, you you gotta do sudden you can't just I I look at and go look suspicious. I mean, I can question him about what he's gonna do or is intentions. That's how Americans build on. So you know, that I can understand their political thing. For me personally thought that it had remnants of Jim crow laws. So this kind of totally agrees America. And, but you know, in in the in contrast that I know that the feeding cerebral not be wearing jersey against the Lakers. But the Lakers coach Phil Jackson again in for that Bill. I don't know. That's the reason they decide not to make that political statement why they're paying Lakers. And well, I think actually I think one of the things that they wanted to make a stance. They made the statement that was hurt loud and clear by staying base. And you know, that was just made the statement they didn't there. They are the Phoenix Suns. And you know, they made the statement they did on their jerseys. Now, let's go back to you know, being be on the basketball team. So you you go in one direction, and you know, you don't have to stay there. Where loans you make a statement in the stance? Then you know, everybody knows what you're saying. And my checking subject but still standing there's on record. I'm not sure if anybody's aware or keeping but she'd. But she plays for has has the. Say the most games. Play out games without ever appearing in fine. Right. But he's one hundred thirty three games. And I say sadly to see that they play in the fines time. Timeout. That's probably true. But I mean, that's just how it is. You know, you think of all the great players who never won the championship in car never wanna championship when the greatest players of all time. Charles Barkley, one of the great players of all time never won the NBA championship. And sometimes it's just that you're playing it. Sometimes sad, you know. Certain guys dominate particular era of Mike Jordan, stop the lot of people from getting championship rings during the era. He played in. So I think sometimes it's all about timing. Div Nash has to you know, seen as a law shifts. Didn't look good the other day. But you know, what that's just the way of the world. Yeah, you're right in the kind of thing, you know, you play all that time. I don't know how many usually. Usually point. But insane same guys that you mentioned too Charles broccoli. All the time that you spend league and not to you obtain the ultimate goal. Yeah. That but like. That's just the way of the world. I mean, everybody win the championship. You know, like everybody can't be in the NBA. You fortunate to be in the NBA. You're fortunate to, you know, be competing at a high level, but only one can win and every year somebody even who knows maybe as great as LeBron James is one as people looking whether greatest possibly when the greatest of all if several years, and he has not wanna championship here championship yet. Larry Bird and Magic Johnson had done. It. Michael Jordan did it in his seven year. So everybody was looking for LeBron James, really the policy. I think and she brought up and let me talk about the coach Mike might was alive. I like Mike Brown. I don't think. Mike Brown was. And the reason I say my ground won't survive is because Cleveland has opportunity save money if they might Brown if they have to make a decision, I think within the next seven days to keep my Brown or to let Mike Brown go. If they make that decision to say, they can let him go. They only have to pay half salary. So they're gonna make a business decision very quickly here. And maybe LeBron James will be asked about it. If he wants Mike Brown back, if they say might I tell you what LeBron James said, I'll come back to Cleveland if Mike Brown coach, Mike Brown will be back. So I think that's the influence. He's. Yeah. You're right. Probably. That supple. And for you guys. Boston for nearly last this year. Unlike last year, you guys are very healthy. At the end the today. That's what camping garden, you know. The it was. Was a closed question in regards to if he was gonna be 'cause we talked prior to the play off if he's gonna ask to be in the play off. It was shut down. No, he wasn't gonna happen. This year is totally office. It's like it may be remnants of the season prior. You will you know? That's that's the thing is I talked to Kevin the day when he was getting claim I said told him I said the most valuable player for this team right now isn't Kevin privately trainer. Inlet certain even keep the Celtics health healthy for the next thirty days and seven twelve an opportunity maybe to write to, you know, get another banner. But again all depends on the health. Here's Celtics for the first half of the year had one of the best records in the NBA. And then they got people got hurt in. And they stumble through the second half of the season that they were a five hundred team in the second half of the season. I think they were like twenty seven and twenty seven. So that's. A good record and only teams or or dancing in the blades are stronger at the end of the season weren't so so much like the fountain of youth like the Celtics have turn the switch and going to another team right now. So we'll see what happens. You're saying listen at your absolute right 'cause everybody seems to be playing at their then. Stream even I mean everybody everybody has their game on. By stuffed up to another level. Rondos Bentson sessional, he's outstanding playoff. Celtics beat a spirited Miami. And the Lee beat them for one D. Wade had unbelievable for four of the ages really to not allow Miami to get swept by the Boston Celtics. And then, you know, the southern to be them turn around and the team that everybody picked win the NBA championship. Cleveland Cavaliers with the best player in the league. So be them for to the best team that was playing for the second half of the year the last portion of the year Orlando Magic now the Celtics beat them the first two games in their own building. So the Celtics really turned a corner huge corner. But again about the health team and timing is everything if they're playing well together, then the team opportunity. And and moving to get there is a NBA Lakers Celtics final. What's your prediction for when loss ratio? Both teams who women you know, what that's tight one. And it depends on the health of both teams won. And why say that don't wanna step on the limb because Andrew bynum is a huge sports for the Lakers seven other plan in the middle one of their big centers. Well, he's he has an injury right now, which is limited his minutes. So if he doesn't play the Lakers, and he's not healthy. It'd be just like having just, you know, not having their theirselves really have a huge advantage and and possibly to win that series. Something light or something usually games. But now, I'm going to trivia. That's a real treatment question as anything. Okay. Yeah. You're probably a mind low end the phone, okay? They show basketball wives, Lovie H. One three tell me these women don't fit stereotype. The of basketball wives that they are small. Saying and and say, there's not reflective of the majority. Well, I think one of the things you look at is most of the women you're talking about a few of them. Anyway, we're not married Antoine. Walker's girlfriend was not married to walk. There was somebody else in that involved in there wasn't married to wherever they were talking about. The one that they call the the dancer. I just seen bits and pieces of it. But what I've heard of it, and I talked to receive Wallace's wife, and she was like, yeah. As beautiful girls in there who have who aren't MBA wives, they weren't being wide. So their knowledge is limited. You know? It's it's a show that is just like reality TV it wants to fund the dirt in the NBA. And that's how you get rating allowed and stuff. Did it some of the things they talked about to happen? Obviously, you know, some of the, you know, who around and all that stuff and cheating, and backbiting and all those things. Yeah. Those things happen. But you know, I think it is typical of the way we have our shows right now that it is shot television. I mean, we can look at what happened to you know, Bobby Brown Whitney Houston show. You know? Label fillets, you know, Donnie, and Marie everybody has a reality show and reality shows that have the best ratings are the ones that sometimes are the most idiotic. I would hear what the trivia question. I appreciate you again being on care alive. Again, next year all age girl. All right. Thank you very much. Thanks again. And thank you all again for listening to live. Entertainment designed just for you that chick out, customizable, streaming TV from expanding it makes your life. Expended? He gives you, customizable, streaming TV enjoy the most ratios anywhere on any device and even access your streaming apps. Right on your TV with x one. Dot com hundred Finnity visit today to learn more restrictions apply. Entertainment designed just for you that checkout, customizable, streaming TV from expanding it makes your life simple. Finnity gets you, customizable, streaming TV. Enjoy the most ratios anywhere on any device and even access your streaming apps right on your TV with x one. 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Debra Lee: Learning to say no

No Limits with Rebecca Jarvis

52:41 min | 1 year ago

Debra Lee: Learning to say no

"Brought to you by indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring, where business owners and HR professionals can post job openings with screener questions, then soared review and communicate with candidates from an online dashboard. Learn more at indeed dot com slash no limits. Hey, everyone. It's me Rebecca I'm currently on maternity, leave. And while I'm away we picked out some of our earlier episodes from the no limits vaults that you can get caught up and enjoy, while I'm off and just so, you know, I- prerecorded this, so I actually am spending time with my baby right now. I. It was the first risky thing. I did in my career everything else. I'd done according to plan, you know, college law school clerk ship, and then at this point law firm, and at this point, I just said, I'm going to take a chance on something I believe in. From ABC. It's no limits. I'm Rebecca Jarvis in each week. We're talking to the most bold and influential women Lang at the top of their game trying to demystify success and what it really takes to get there and all the trade-offs whether you're looking for answers, or you just want to hear a good story. You're in the right place. On today's episode. Deborah Lee has always been an overachiever from her days at Harvard Law School where she pursued a JD, while at the same time pursuing a degree from the Kennedy School of government to rising the ranks inside of B E T spending thirty two years, there thirteen as the CEO throughout her time. Deborah proved to be one of the most powerful women in the media industry recently. She was recognized by the Grammy organization with the salute to industry icons award, the first and only woman ever to receive this. But, like so many leaders we've had Huron no limits Deborah's path was not clear-cut in fact, when she made the choice to leave her high powered corporate lodge job to go work for then unknown media company all be most the people around her said she was crazy as CEO. She had to make decisions that sometimes weren't popular with the company and not always popular with the puck. Either. There was a time that you're about to hear about when protesters showed up right on her doorstep. But what's incredible about Deborah is for ability to cut through the noise and make decisions that are at their heart authentic and true to the success of the company and the brand here. She is to tell you her story. Deborah Lee, welcome to no limits. Thank you. I'm excited to be here. I really excited to have you here with us. One of the most powerful people in media. Thank you. You don't even have to thank me for it, because it is a fact, thirty two years at BT. That's right. You grew into the number one network among African American adults. It's now been that for seventeen years, and your own career, part of why I wanted to have you here is because I think your career is emblematic and Alestra tive of how many people find their careers started at this little known company called ADT at the time, right? Came in as the. General counsel moved into the COO role, eventually became CEO, right? And I don't know if you know Belinda Johnson. She's the COO of Airbnb also came in as the general. Oh, really? Oh, I didn't know that. And I, I just think it's smart because, you know, we want to talk about building block. And how do you get to that cease? We'd how do you get to that top job, right? And your career is a luster tive of that great. But let's go back to the beginning as you grew up in the segregated south. Yes. Dude, you as a kid think law is my path, I sometimes thought law would be my path, but mainly because my father wanted to be a lawyer, and he never became a lawyer. I was his third child for child. And so he put all his hopes and dreams in me. And, and then I had an aunt, who was a lawyer one of the first black lawyers female lawyers in Detroit. And she was very close to my. Father. And so I heard a lot of talk about being a lawyer at a young age at the dinner table at the dinner table, and my aunt, we give me books. She went to mount holyoke. So will give me books about mount holyoke and I kind of knew I was expected to go to Ivy league school because that was around the time Ivy league schools were admitting a large number of African American students. And so, you know, there are a lot of goals that my father laid out that's pressure to was a lot of pressure. And in fact, I gave in to the pressure, reluctantly my senior year at Brown University at the last minute. I decided I wanted to be a fashion designer and I was sorry. I hadn't gone to the Rhode Island school of design. So I told my father, I said, I'm going to take a year off, and you know, think about this art school thing. And he said, well, if you do that, and you decide to go to law school, you'll pay for law school, I won't pay for it. So I knew what? It meant. So I went to law school. The decision for you made the decision for me, but I always wanted to give back in a way. And so besides my father talking about law. I knew the legal system have been the way that a lot of civil rights at, at changed the world. And so, you know, I had Thurgood Marshall as a role model and constant Baker motley. And I wanted to help my community and I wanted to make an impact. So, you know, I went along with it thinking, that's what I was going to do. Did you ever think about politics? Well, when I got to Harvard Law School, and that's a whole long story after Brown. I, I went to Harvard and I decided, I hated law school. Why it was. They wouldn't talk about policy or politics, or changing the world, none of that at, at Harvard Law School. They talked about the black letter law, and it's like, well what did the court say? What did the judge? Says all precedent. It's all precedent and in the late seventies when I was there they were particularly not interested in talking about women's rights, or rights, African American or people color. And I just found it very oppressive environment. And so I didn't want to drop out because that would be letting my father down. And so I applied to the Kennedy School of government, and then you do out there. By the way, going along school anywhere. Let alone Harvard Law School is a full-time gig. Right. And then you add add on. Yes, I've always had this year, an overachiever always have been. Always have been. I'm trying to work on that now. And learn how to relax. But that's not working out too. Well, so I went to Kennedy School. So I did one year law school when you're Kennedy School in two years at both and I came out thinking, I was going to go into an administration. I never wanted to run for office. But the Kennedy School, they teach you how to be assisted secretary of something or secretary of something. So I thought that's where I was headed. And then after laws go, I went to DC and clerked for judge for federal judge, and during that year at Ronald Reagan one as president. And I decided I didn't want to go into a Reagan administration. So I went to a law firm to hide out till the Democrats came back. Well, if you remember those times it took the Democrats twelve years to come back. Eight reminds me a little bit. I when I went to college as an undergraduate economics, but I. Really was interested in the law. So I also studied constitutional law, and I like the idea from your story that there was sort of this, this pedigree for lack of a better word that your father wanted for you. It seems like you wanted it a little bit lower yourself. I thought it was a way I could be a change agent. I think oftentimes people see these choices as one or the other black and white choices. Oh, I either have to do the law school thing or have to study this and therefore I can't do this other thing. And I think that the world if you are a creative resourceful person opens up to you more opportunities than just having to dedicate yourself to one thing or the other. Right. And I tell young people that all the time when they're obsessing with what I should what they should major in college. I'm like, just go to college. You know have a good time. Learn things you know, folks, but you don't have to know what you wanna do in your career. Right now there's a time for that. And my career as you. You said is illustrative of I came out of law school. And I was gonna go into government. I never went into government. So after five years at the law firm, I was tired of waiting for the Democrats. So I said, you know, it's time to do something I had been focusing on communications law. So I wanted to go in house with a media company, mostly media companies were in New York. I did some interviewing in New York. And then I had a small client called t- and the founder and CEO at the time. Bob Johnson asked me to come and have lunch with him and said they were looking for a general counsel. So in they were located in DC, so I didn't have to move to New York. They were black owned, which was very important to me. And I saw media all of a sudden as my way to be a change agent. And how did people around you react to that when you said, I'm leaving the comforts of this law firm for a little start-up? Well, the partners at the law for had never heard of BT, because we didn't even have cable in DC at I worked on the original Campo franchise. So this was nineteen eighty six and cable had not even come to the district of Columbia. So the partners were like you're going wear, and they were used to, you know, socio that's leaving to go into government, but they weren't used to associates going to accompany because they're not that many corporate corporations in DC, and especially to one, they had never heard of. So that was a little weird. My father who lived in Baltimore at the time said what? Did he was he able to understand what the idea of cable was at the time he are you keeping you a little bit about that? But he was so proud of the fact that I was at this prestigious law firm with chandeliers and wood paneling and, you know, he's just thought my career was made and he said, why would you leave Steptoe and Johnson? That was name affirm. And I said dad, I'm just not having any fun. And he looked at me and he said it was supposed to be fun. They wouldn't call it work. I definitely heard that from my dad along my path to I mean in only a twenty five year veteran in the army can say them like that. It was like he never thought work was supposed to be fun. So he thought I was taking a risk the partners thought I was taken a risk. So it was the first risky thing. I did in my career everything else I'd done, according to plan, you know, college law school clerkship. And then at this point law firm. Firm. And at this point, I just said, I'm going to take a chance on something. I believe in and bet on myself. Yes. Did you in your mind as you're making that choice was there sort of a fallback of well things are going well enough for me at the law firm? So worst case scenario, I go back to another law firm. Yes. That was always a backup. And then I also heard voice in my head. Again my father saying, well with the law degree, you can always hang out a shingle now not that I was interested in that. But I thought you know, I could go back into a law firm. So I did have some sort of a safety blanket. And okay. So you, you end up in B E T. You're the general counsel at when you get there was it a this was the right choice. Or was it a wow? What have I done? There was a few years of wow. What have I done one because I was the first in house counsel. So people didn't know what to do with me. You know. And, and when I started working there, Bob Johnson said all the other executives, you can't sign any. Contracts without Debra reviewing them. Yes. Of course, they welcomed me with open arms. Oh, great. Because lawyer is going to tell us what to do. And so that was hard. It took me a long time to make relationships with the other executives and to convince them that I was there to help them not to be a hindrance and not to stand in their way. And you know you had to this twenty four hour, you know media company would they put on programming twenty four hours. So if I'm holding something up. I'm keeping programs from going on the air. So I tried very early on to make it clear. The legal department was going to be a service department. We were there for them. Then I didn't have very much of a legal expense budget. I remember I think the budget was a hundred thousand dollars at that time and, and Bob Johnson may have paid me fifty thousand. He said, well, you're a lawyer, what do you need outside counsel for I said, I'm I'm not an expert in every legal aspect of business. So I couldn't call outside counsel much. So I had this mall group of friends who were general counsels, at other companies, and we would get together once a month and I kind of get free advice. Right. What's a traditional budget for a department like of a company, a couple of million dollars, if at that for that company at that size, and, you know, it could be up into the hundreds of millions for larger companies. So, yeah, I was the only attorney I had no way to ask outside counsel for help, I had no budget to hire anyone. So for first couple of years, I prayed a lot, and I and there were no losses. Luckily, there were no lawsuits, so that, that really helped a lot but one big lawsuit could've put BT out of business in those days, it really could have. I mean, if you know we made a mistake or someone came in with trademark and copyright or anything. So those were very nervous years. I would imagine. Yeah. Yeah. So luckily, the department grew I grew the company grew you in your head thinking at the time I want to progress. I'd like to be did you have your eye on the C suite and the COO role, not at all? I thought I was when I started I was vice president and general counsel. I promoted somewhere along the way to EDP, Geno accounts. So I thought that was is high as my career was going to go for a lawyer that was it, you know, you happy to be a general counselor, you're happy to be have another executive title and I had no, no is on anything else. In fact, there was no chief operating officer at the company. You know, the next person was Bob Johnson. And it never looked like he was going anywhere. It was just company. So when he offered me, the COO position, I was very surprised and. And I was excited though, because by that time I had three or four other titles. I was doing some business and, and I kept trying to give up the general counsel title because that's something you really you had to keep current on the law. You really should you know, be committed to that to that position. And I felt like I was getting pulled away from that without the backup that I need it. So the great thing about becoming COO I got to hire my first general counsel. So that man me of them a slightly larger budget. Right. When you were right and more understanding because I had a legal background. So I always say that's when I began to sleep better at night that I have my own general counsel with a bigger budget. And, you know by that time, we had gone public, we were first African American company to be traded on a new York Stock Exchange which was an incredible experience. I mean, I can't tell you how proud I was t to see all the black people who. Worked at the new York Stock Exchange all these years and had never seen a black company come through there. They were so proud. They were high fiving us on the floor. The stock went from an offering price seventeen dollars to twenty nine dollars on the first day. So all of a sudden, we were a success story and not just a black company success story, but an American success story, and it was it was truly incredible. And so you were there that day, I was there I early in my career I used to do a lot of the reporting from the New York's change in the NASDAQ when the bell rings ceremony right happened and it, it genuinely would bring tears to my. Oh, yeah. Because you see that moment of a company going public is the academy of so many things that have worked for and the group all coming together. Right. You and your team executives. Mhm was that a moment for you where you felt like okay, I've sort of made it like this is what it was about. There was some feeling of, you know, having come to a very high success point. But I think from my perspective, especially as general counsel, I just knew it was going to be more work. You know, all of a sudden, we had to start doing gender Lee reports, and dealing with the SEC and all of that. So, you know it wasn't like you fury him. You know, I'm I'm made it and I'm done. And it's like, oh, this is very nice. And we didn't have the executives didn't have stock ahead of time. We got stock as part of the offering. So we didn't have the same success feeling that Bob Johnson did. Because he owned the company he and TCI and John Malone. And H B O had a small piece of the company also. So, so I'm sure they felt it. A lot more than we did. I remember having to get back to work that day. And okay. And we had some hiccups along the way learning to be a publicly traded company, but it was it was so exciting. And I just remember more than anything else, the excitement of the people at the new York Stock Exchange there was one guy. I can't remember his name, but he was the only African American male with a seat on the New York stock. I think his name was Harold, duly just came back to me. And he called me like the week before. And he said, I would be so proud to stand with you all on the day you go public, and I mean things like that. I you know, had never thought about, but he was the only black man the only black person who had a seat on the new York Stock Exchange and he wanted to be there with us that day. So it was it was an exciting time. And that is really exciting. You talked about the fact that you end up in the COO role because someone else was looking out for you. Yes. Was saying good job right after you were there. Was there a hunger to continue climbing to get to that CEO role? At what point was it sort of, in your consciousness of I like to be the CEO of this company? It was almost immediate because he had never had a COO before. So the day it was announced that I had that position. Everyone started treating me like the heir apparent they really did. And I didn't realize it was going to be that way. But everyone said, oh, Bob's preparing to leave at some point. And that's both good and bad. Yeah. In anything, exactly. Was it was good and bad. You know, it was good because I could start the training process to become CEO now, I think how long did he stay after that a while, and Viacom eventually acquired BT's? So that was another. For mation oh corporate event. But during that time I had there were other parts of the business, I had to learn. I mean, because I was general counsel, I knew the legal side, I knew a lot of the business side. But I didn't know anything about advertising programming or you know, I knew a lot about affiliate sales because those are huge contracts for us. But there are other parts of the business, I had to learn and so he gave me several years to be able to do that. And people if started calling me, you know, p our partners people were doing business with, if they couldn't get a hold of Bob. So it was a good. It was a good training period before Bob Johnson left. And so, you know, I, I'd have to say I did have my eye on it because everyone treated me like that. And in terms of what you needed to learn a long way. What's the most complicated thing that you have to learn on your path to CEO? Wow. That's an interesting question. I think. There's a there's a bit of a learning curve, depending on how much of the company you've seen before then. But I think the real thing you have to learn is how to manage people, and that's not something they teach you in any business school. Maybe a little bit in business coupe, not Iran. Yeah, it takes experience and learning how to motivate executives and how to put together a team and how to make sure the team is invested in your success, how to have a vision. All of a sudden people were asking me. What my vision was no one asked me that when I was CEO COO you to implement you not, you know, time for vision, and all of a sudden I had to start thinking about where do I want to take this company? So that was a big transition. So I think it's really, you know, knowing yourself knowing the company, knowing what you want your. Legacy to be. And, you know, of course making the company keeping the company in my case profitable was a big part of it. And as I said in two thousand one Viacom acquired us, so now of a sudden, we're a division among many other divisions, which was good and bad. It was great because they had so many other brands like MTV, and Nickelodeon, so Sumner Redstone and Mel Karmazin really believed in brands, and they want, it be ET because they, they loved the brand. So there were people other people to ask, how to do things in more resources, but it was also, you know, process of learning how to deal with new bosses and and, and peers. And, and I think in a way it's interesting when I look back on it, I think, in a way and motivated, the B T executives even more to show that we knew what we were doing. And we could do it just as well as. Any other division at Viacom. And so as a learning process, but it was also a period of great energy, and, and motivation. And, and one of the things I think that sets BT executives apart is that they really are invested in the community. I mean, the, the black community care so much about BT. So if we do something great, they're excited about it. We do something wrong, we hear from them very loudly. So I think you know that, that loyalty and that concern about the African American community really incense our executives to, to work harder. Sure. It's a real passion about the brand and about what we do from day to day. So, and in our audience feels that way. They don't expect us to just be television that work. They expect us to be television at work that cares about them. That reflects them. When something, you know, horrible happens in their community, to rejoice with them me. I remember the ten year anniversary of the election of Barack Obama. I was in grant park doing BT interview five minutes before the results were announced, and they were talking about how is it to be in grant park, and I was like, oh, this is wonderful. And we still didn't really think he was going to win. And five minutes later they called the election. And I'm in this, you know, environment where people were crying, and using photos Oprah crying and Jessie j mean, but that's the way the whole, and I think that was Hugh talk about just, you know, moments of while we've really accomplished something here. I really felt that way because of the coverage we had given President Obama and the get out the vote campaigns we had. And so that was a really exceptional moment. I, I skipped ahead a lot. I think it's interesting because the point that you raise about the importance to the community and right, the type of feedback, and along the way. In the early two thousands. You had some something of the opposite happened with the community when there were a number of people who started protesting the content you a Reverend put together a protests, brought the protests to your lawn to my your home and primarily because he did that, like, hip hop music, and, you know, probably like sixty five percent of what we were doing at that time was hip hop music. And I had back to people asking me what my vision was when people ask, what my vision was, I would say it is to do more original programming because that's what our audience wanted. They wanted us to have dramas and sitcoms. And award shows they wanted us to look like ABC or CBS, or NBC. They didn't they never understood what the difference was between us a cable network and broadcast network. They wanted that quality they want that type of programming. So I had just taken over as CEO. Maybe a year earlier. And this minister decided he did not like hip hop music, and he was going to bring his congregation down to my out on my lawn outside. Luckily, I had a fence around my house a gate but they would stand out there on Saturday afternoon. And with bullhorns and my neighbors couldn't figure out what was happening, but it made me look Inci myself and say, what do I want be t- to stand for? And I was really, you know, unnerved by the fact that he didn't go to Jay Z's house. He didn't go to ludicrous this house. You know, I guess mine was the closest. But, you know, I felt like I was carrying the weight of all these young black, hip, hop, artists who you know, were saying what they felt but what's exactly appealing to women or to companies or to governments. And yeah. That was a that was a stressful time. You're more from Deborah Lee after a quick word from our sponsor when you're hiring, you don't wanna waste time sorting through dozens of irrelevant resumes. 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I would imagine that there had to be somewhat of a duality because part of the argument was was against stereotypes, right negative Serota stereotypes in the African American community. Right. And I would imagine that in your rule. There's the sort of the business side. And then there's also the acknowledgement of. It's not perfect. Right. If I could change it and make it more pe- more people want a piece of content that is the kind of content that makes us all feel great about everything. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yes, I exactly know what you're saying because it's a balance I had to deal with every day. I got daily report card on ratings from Nielsen that showed us exactly what our audience watched and what they didn't watch. And then we had pressure from our audience to be a certain quality which was great. But also to we, we had a, a goal of shining, a light, but not to shine a light on all the negative parts of what happens in any community. So, you know, I often said, I didn't want BT to be the black PBS you know, we weren't going to ever be. Well, it's all good. But if we if we had a show and someone had a drug problem, we'll let show how. You get out of having a drug problem. Let's show support a family. So we always had to balance those two forces, you know, being a profitable company, which a lot of people in the black community. Didn't even think that that was an appropriate goal. Why do you have to make money? Well, you have to make money to be a successful company or else. We won't be in business. So, you know, it took us years to, to work with the audience. So they understood that, you know, when we went public, they're like, oh, you're selling out when we sold the viral, oh, you're selling out. And so it was really important to stress that, no. This company is still run by African American executives mostly. That's one reason I would go on the award show every year to have a face with the company and, you know, when when I was dealing with the Reverend I said, look, I have a standards and practices department. We make the best decisions. We. Can for our community and you might not agree with them? But I'm running the network, you're not go start your own network. If you wanna pick, you know the video, so, you know, slowly that issue resolved itself because we started reducing the amount of time that we devoted to videos videos, became a very much available online, and so no one was sitting there watching a show with the top ten videos anymore. So and you know, we, we did other kind of programming like black girls rock, and be married. Jane in be marriage ain't she had two brothers. Whip drug problems one one had a problem. One just sold drugs to make money to be an architect. But again, you know we tried to deal with it in a sensitive way. So the key was always define programming that would rate well, that a lot of people would watch and that would still be offense. And, you know, I I heard someone say. Don't you shouldn't use negative and positive images? Should always be about authentic images. And that's what I tried to stick with. Okay. You know, we're not going to ignore the world that we live with, but they were hard decisions to make sometimes, and they would always bring them to me. I remember one time be Mary. Jane, Mary, Jane have been in a car accident, and she came back to work and her face was disfigured. And so she was a newscaster. So the question was, was could she ever really be successful again? And so she had stayed off work. The scars said he'll I think she had one large scarred left, but she looked beautiful. She has all, but she was walking in the work, and they wanted to play some song that used the word bitch thirty eight times, and it was like really thirty eight times, but I listened to the song, and it was appropriate. And so I let it go through. We got no complaints. But we used to have a policy where we wouldn't use the word bitch on the air at BT at all. And my executives would come back and say, well, you know, ABC's using it own what, what? So it was a lot of judgment questions that went into, you know, positioning, the network and, and getting our audience to the point where they trusted us, and they believed in our decision making, what did it teach you about decision making and how you would share that and communicate to your peers as the leader, right? Well, it taught me that I could not always be a consensus builder and that's that was my inclination early on, especially as a lawyer. You know, kind of felt like a judge while I hear this view idea this view and then I'd render an opinion, and it's not like that at all. I mean you never have complete information in business. You make the best. Decision. You can at the moment and you have to realize that the, the buck stops with you. Yes, you know. So you can listen everybody in the room, but the final decision is yours. And that's the difference in being a CEO and I encourage women, especially to to, you know, buy into that lean into that. It's your it's your you're running the company for a reason, someone believed in you, and they gave you the reins. And so the decisions should be yours. And you can take in all the information you need. But when it comes down to it, you're the one that's responsible. And I that's different way to manage for women. I really I really think it is. And I hate the general generalize at all. But it's something that I had to learn. Did you have the like versus respect debate in your head? I, I know I mean I've, I've faced it in my career where it's really. Difficult. Right. Start out. At least for me, I started out my career. And I think that being the sort of do what execute all of these things that other people want you to do it makes you liked the early on in your career. You pretty far early on in the career. And then there comes a point where there as, as the decisions get a little more complicated as the asks get a little more complicated just doing what other people want. An expected of you is not necessarily the thing that's going to be right for the business or right for you, personally, you can't do it. You can't make everybody happy, every decision you make someone's going to be a loser. And you know, and, and I used to think, oh, I'll get everyone to the same point. The marketing department will agree with the programming department and they'll agree with the advertising. No never happens. So you have to make the best decision. You know, I I call it the good girl syndrome. We raised the a lot of women were raised be good girls, and to be well lie. Liked and not to, you know, make decisions that are could be perceived as harmful to other people. I remember once I went home and I was a little dejected. It'd been a tough day. And my daughter, asked me what, you know, how was work. And I thought it was pretty tough. All I did all day long with say, no, you know, no no to budget requests Noda charitable contributions. No, no, no. And I was just really you know, down because of that. And she didn't say anything at the time. But a while later someone asked her what she wanted to be. And she said, I wanna be a CEO BT, and I was like where did that come from? And she looked at me, and she said, I like saying, no. So maybe this generation will be different. But we weren't raised we were raised to please. And, and to be accommodating, and it, you can't do that. In business one, you have time to, you know, you, you have to be the one who explains the decisions one way or another, and you have to really believe in it. So if my advertising guys screaming about something, you know, I try to pay attention, but I can't always agree with him. You know that's not going to be the best decision for my audience. And or, you know, when I have to make decisions that Akande video shouldn't be put on the air because, you know, it's, it's too much, you know, my programming guy's not going to be happy because he's trying to maintain a relationship with kind. Yeah, I'm just trying to make the best decision. I can. So I hear him when he says, oh, you can't do that kind as a genius, and he's going to call you and he's going to be very upset. And I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm ready? Did you ever get a call from Konya west? No. He never call. Did you get calls ever from any of the artists? No never did a couple of times from labels. But I remember once again, the Clive Davis letter about Heather Headley. We weren't playing a Heather Headley video. But that's all I remember. And then when the hardest decisions I had to make was about Chris Brown and him performing and tribute to Michael Jackson right after Michael Jackson died. And at that time, he was accused of a crime he, he had been convicted and or. Yeah. Had come to an agreement, but he hadn't served his time yet. And so it was a real hard question. For women is you know what? What would what message would I be sending to young women if I let Chris Brown perform? So soon after the incident with Riyan. And I decided not to let him perform. And I, I heard from a lot of people, including the label that he was with. And they were not happy. But year later when he had served his time, and he was rebuilding his image. He performed and no one said a thing about it. But, you know, when you make those kind of decisions, there are a lot of factors that go into it advertisers, what they will say when what the audience will say and, and you have to take those into account, but in the bottom in the end you have to do what you think is best. So thirty two years at the same company. Yes. Wow. And then earlier this year two thousand eighteen middle of the year you decide to step down. Yes. How did you come to that decision? And now were were, you know, I'd say give or take six months from that young wait? How do you feel? Well, it was I came to that decision, because I felt like I had taken the company as far as I could take it, and I felt like I had a great team in place. They knew my values they knew the company's values and there are a lot of things in place. And I felt those would continue to work, so it was a tough decision because I'm so identified with B E T that, you know, is like walking away from a child, but I decided was a right time is like thirty two years is long enough. I you know, and I hadn't really focused on it. I just had my head down working, and I was like, what am I trying to prove, you know, it's time and I was CEO for thirteen years, which I hear the typical time is four to five years. So I felt pretty good about that. And so I just decided it was time and Pino, everyone was surprised and it was a, it's a difficult transition to go from something. You've helped grow this long, but it was it was definitely the right decision, and I'm so fortunate to be in a place in my life where I can say, okay, what do I wanna do next? What am I passionate about not, what do I have to do is done, what I had to two and I was lucky that BT that I was passionate about BT that I loved every minute of it. And I love that career. But now I can think about are there, other things I wanted to, and it's really it's a fun time is a little nerve wracking sometimes when no one's sending me emails, and I'm like, oh, my God. No one's looking for me. And so I'm trying to just to that Ben. No, I can't sleep in, and especially I've moved to LA. So. Oh, yeah. Seven o'clock here behind the minute you wake up happened. Seven o'clock in the morning, you're three hours behind. Yes, I wake up and look, I'm like and my daughter lives with me for the time being. So I'd like to say good morning to her not that she likes saying good morning to me. So I don't sleep in, but, you know exercising a lot more. I'm trying to figure out what else I liked to do. I'm meeting with people, I meet someone, advise me, just meet with people who admire and hear what they're talking about. I'm helping the recording at academy with their diversity, and inclusion issues. They set up a task force after the Grammy's last year of about to look at women, and people of color, helping the African American museum raise money for their endowment. I'm on the board of Twitter and Mary at president bore from Alvin Ailey. I just came from the air. So I'm on af. I, I could go on and on. So I'm doing a lot most days, you're doing yet. A lot of people in, in actual jobs. Right. And back to your point. I've. Always been a multi task. So it's, it's fine. But, you know, I don't think I'll do anything fulltime again. But it you know, I want to write a book, do some speaking engagement. Yeah. I think I have a story to tell us. Yeah. So I'm thinking about that. So that those kind of things are exciting. Yeah. What's the toughest lesson? You've had to learn along the way. The toughest lesson. I've had to learn is to listen to your own voice. And that, you know, a lot comes from what I talked about about being a CEO early on. It's finding my own voice and not being afraid to, to speak up. And I think the law and a little bit is a protection because, you know, is, you know, I gotta look it up, and this is what it says. So, I think a business woman and learning that, you know, you have to make decisions and yet to find your own voice, and was there, a turning point where you realize the importance of that, or was there almost like a negative experience, that led you to say I'm not listening to my own voice here, and I need to. Well, I think the experience with the protests about the videos was a turning point, because, you know, in one ear, I heard Bob Johnson say on his way out. Don't ruin the business model on this side. I had a programming budget that was sixty five percent music videos, but I had. Already promised the audience, I was going to change that. So I had to figure out how to keep the company profitable and move away from videos that shouldn't have been the main thing we did anyway, and I love music. I'm a big music fan. So, you know vice all a little Wayne right now. I'd say Hello a chance, the rapper, it's not like I'm not a hip hop fan, but you know, I really knew we had to do other kinds of programming. And, and I knew it had to be high quality and all of that took some guts because, you know, we didn't really have the budget for it early on. So it's a slow process. And we took a lot of criticism along the way. But now young people come up to me on the street and say, thank you. Thank you, for what you did for BT. Thank you, for what you did for the culture, which just gives me chills because that's so much bigger than be t- in. Thank you for, for leading the way. Way. So, you know, listening to my voice and making those decisions in, in from my own perspective was was all I could do. And I think that's what a good leader does. And then when you believe in yourself, and you find your own voice than others will follow you, because they know you know, you have the best inches accompany, Har. You, you know, you're trying to do the best thing, and they will come along. And I you know I really felt good there so many points. I mentioned the new York Stock Exchange. Another high point in my career was we, we had a show called the game. Yes. Yes. Twenty fourteen that that premier. Yes, that we took over the CW at the CWA kata million five. It was tough to even convinced CBS to let us take over the production of it, because they rely we cancelled a show, you know, and we finally did the show been off the air for two years. We put it back. It on bring back the production team cut the cost because we had to. And we got eight million viewers the first night, it's still the record holder for the top sitcom debut on cable on that day. We were high fiving each other. Like we had won the Super Bowl. I mean, that's when you know, you've hit the nerve another time with the new edition story twenty nine million viewers in three nights tuned, into that story. And it was good bad ugly. You know, but it was a road map of what not to do 'em what to do in a music career. But it was also the inspirational story of five or six young men from from Roxbury, who became superstars and their trials and tribulations. And so, you know, those moments when things really worked in the audience agreed with us or agreed with, you know the direction we wanted to go it didn't get any better than that. But it was really quite special. What's the worst advice? You've received. Along the way. Oh, the worst advice. Wow. I don't think I've ever gotten any bad advice or either I didn't listen to. But I can't really think of anything. Oh, I think if I had to give advice I would would always say that you should have your values involved in whatever you do. So I think just running a profitable company is not something that I would do. And if someone was advising me to do that, that would be contrary to what I believe, in, you know, with BT, I was able to run a profitable company, grow it and still have an impact and, and have a legacy that, that people can look up to so and, and I think the other thing is to be decent to people, you know, it's, it's really important in the management area. A lot of people talk about what motivates people will be in a decent leader is is really one of the key lessons. You're not Machiavelli. Fear, you then that they know I'm not I'm not in, you know if that was the way it was done. It wouldn't I wouldn't get it done. So I'm glad I've found a team and a company where I could be myself be genuine, you know, care about the things I care about because you're always making those decisions I mean, I remember the first time Rosa Parks was the first really prominent person who died after. I took over and I was like if I cover the funeral then I'm going to become the funeral network. Bts, not a news network, but it was a hard decision to make because we got criticism. We'll why you know people why isn't be covering the funeral. So those are hard decisions. You know what you do for advertisers are hard decisions. So, you know, you just have to have a moral compass, and you have to learn to live by. Not into too much great. Deborah lee. Thank you so much for joining us. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Rebecca this was bright. Okay. It is the end of the interview, which means it's time for our no limits entrepreneur of the week where we feature one of you are amazing listeners who's building something of their own and this week's no limits entrepreneur is Shawna home. My former CBS news, producer. She is now the founder of Kaelin data, which translates to how cute the company raises money for charity by selling all different types of accessories from jewelry to artwork. 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Water Cooler: Game of Thrones, Bosch, Homecoming, Police Story, Tolkien, Formula 1, Vlogging Disneyland, B.P.R.D., Cuphead

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Water Cooler: Game of Thrones, Bosch, Homecoming, Police Story, Tolkien, Formula 1, Vlogging Disneyland, B.P.R.D., Cuphead

"Hello, everyone and welcome to slash home daily for Monday, April twenty second two thousand nineteen unto these absolute we're and talk about what we've been up to at the water cooler the slash editor. And chief Peter sorta joining me his podcast slash film. Managing editor Jacob Paul. Hello. Hello, senior writer, Ben Pearson. Hey, what's going on in writers? Why TRAN Bui everyone in Chris Evangelista? Hello, folks. So Brad is out sick today. So we don't have we have a slightly unfold. Water cooler for we have a lot to talk about. So let's jump into it as you know of last week. I'm going to galaxy's edge. And I have kind of I think I've talked about it on this podcast. I wanna cover this in a way that I think people would wanna watch it. And I don't feel like people people want to read coverage of this new Star Wars theme park land in text, which is a few photos. I think the people want to see it. So I I've been talking with. The people I've talked with Ben about this. I I wanna film this like a video blog. So that you can like experience it with me. So this past week I decided to go to best buy ended up buying a bunch of cameras. I bought three different. Actually, I bought two different digital cameras. I bought the canon G seven x Mark to this is a point you camera that a lot of my favorite video bloggers us. The Tim tracker swears on it. And it's you know, it's very small very portable has a screen that flips out, and you could see from the front view that gives you good good, you know, selfie vision. In also bought a Osmo pocket, which is kind of like this really tiny gyro like camera. So it's like very stabilized and kit. Tra also has a Sony a six thousand. And camera. I think so we were we went to Disneyland over the weekend with those three cameras in my iphone. So we're testing out four different cameras. We recorded a our first attempt an actual blog, which I'm going to probably put up on on my personal channel at some point this week. But basically the whole point of it was to test. These these four cameras and see what would be good for galaxy said also, you know, to get some experience down to to, you know, even coming back from Disneyland to be able to come home. I I have not edited on a video editor since probably like fifteen years ago. I was using Vegas video. So my friend Jeff came over and gave me kind of a primer on adobe premiere and taught me how to edit with that. So I've been spending some time in front of the computer with kit. Tra. Editing together this video blog that we kind of haphazardly shot at Disneyland which will be out sometime this week, and I can tell you just from the editing process alone. I've learned so much about what I missed when shooting and what I what kind of you know, I need a wide shot of this need a close up of the I need a transition here. I it just it's such a different way of storytelling that I'm not used to. I've spent so much time in the print world in writing in the last fifteen years that like it's just a whole other tool sets. I I was talking with you Ben at a cinema con because you do some video coverage there, and you it to be more instinct for you now that you've done so many videos. Yeah, I think so the the big key that I, you know, if I would give you one piece of advice, it's to overshoot the hell out of every. Thing because as I'm sure you've already realized being in the editing room after just one particular log episode, and you know, the the idea of having enough coverage. It almost seems like you never have enough so shoot everything and shoot it multiple ways to that's a big thing. 'cause I tend to sort of see things in my head a little bit. But then it's a collaboration my videos, our collaboration with my my wife, and sometimes she sees things a little bit differently. So the idea of just shooting something one way like Robert Rodriguez style, you know, putting it all together in your mind on the fly. Coverage is sort of a dirty word of because it implies that you don't have a vision. But options are always nice. I'll say that. I mean, I can tell that's good advice to editing this, although I will say having so many options were like halfway through this video editing this video blog, and I wanted this video to be like twenty thirty minutes max and were already like over twenty minutes and like haven't gotten to half of it. So oh, man, that's the other. That's the other piece of vice you have to be ruthless. When you cut stuff like you only keep the tip top best material and just let everything else go. But you'll learn it as you go. Yeah. Yeah. So when that is online I will plug it here and everybody can go check that out. But that's what I've been working on this week. I should say, you know, you can watch the video blog when it's up to see what, you know, the different cameras looked waking. You know, what footage we are able to get at the park. But I I really. I think the canon G seven x Mark to despite having you know, the ability to add extra lenses or an external mic just provided much better footage overall and was just like so much better experience to use like almost every single situation. So I think that's the one we're gonna use when we actually go to galaxy's edge. But you'll see a lot more of that in in the footage. When that gets online Jacob what have you been up to? Well, it was interesting happened to me this week. And may not be interesting. Anyone else in the world? I've been playing the same Duns and dragons character for six seven years now, he's a human rogue and his name, which is a joke is Bob Johnson. Spelled like the most Tolkien esque way, you can spell Bob Johnson. But pronounced Bob Johnson. And he was designed to be store of extremely selfish cruel callous criminal who feves and cons and never never avoid an opportunity to kick someone when they're down, and he's very much, you know, the bad guy of the group and over the years, you know, he started having a transformation these little while back yet midlife crisis that he and he started like instead of being this calloused guys are being more of a coward. Who's was questioning himself. And in recent months, he transformed into somebody's seeking redemption. Even in one dungeon, he encountered a beam and depth to former younger self and he had. And I roll they twenty which is the best thing you can roll and dungeons and dragons while trying to convince this younger version of self that he could change me. A better person was should media realize that there's nowhere else. Bob jobs can go once he learns be a good person historians over no longer interesting adventure to follow on these quests. So we wrapped at the most recent adventure. He took a share of the gold. He went home to his family and he survived and he's retired. And he's completed his arc as a man who's trying to better himself and be a better father and be there for the people. He's abandoned. So right now, I'm in the process of building a new character who's going to be starting from scratch and join the group. So it was a really interesting moment where people play the same character for years and years and years and play in the same way for years and years and years, but it was interesting to sort of organically, see a story come to an end in a character where I did not plan that long-term it evolved over time. And I think I'm the big RPG player or table property player in this. Sation right now, I'm curious anybody else's had like this kind of experience with any kind of media where we're thing they are creating took an aspect turn like this. I can't think of any kind of story that I would have participated in that that is interactive. And you know, that that's outside of like video game or something where you you end up having so much control over the narrative. I don't think I don't think. So I have the board game gloom haven, which I haven't played yet. But I'm excited to get that to the table edge. Just had a hard time getting it to the table. And I know part of that is kind of dungeons and dragons inspired where you're playing the same character, you know, session after session after session, and at some point your character either dies or retires, and you have to like move onto another character. And that the prospect of that Jakup scares the heck out of me. Like, I feel like, you know, when you're investing so much into this one character, and then like you have to leave that behind. I don't know. That's like scary on like almost like human level. Talk about in the past called Glades in the dark, which is my favorite RPG design of all time. It's because your character who is a criminal in a fantasy world. When bats happens them, you take permanent effects like you check off options on your character sheet that either make you give you fiscal impairments emotional impairments, mental impairments, they can like make make a good person evil and evil person. Good and force you to actually record long-term consequences, if your character Iraq up all these emotional and physical scars, which is something I wish indeed it is relative power fantasy in that's fine. But but I know that you have to create your personal wounds and flaws yourself out of again. Or other systems ask you to keep track of that stuff? It's a whole on fastening with the idea of interactive fiction where where you have such control over the character that you have to. Fill in that back story and make sure the dramatically interesting for at the table for interesting. I never knew that you could actually have an arc or the character writing when playing dungeons and dragons, so I just wanted to ask Jacob, how do you actually? Right. That character as you're playing a man like the idea is to right down dialogue in advance. I think that. Yeah. I mean, just like how do you keep track? Two of just the what your character goes through those most of its mental note. I don't write anything in advance. Because I tried to let evolve where it goes. But you know, I keep notes I could have character sheet. We keep track of all the items and stats. So I flip it overnight right personal notes. Like, I write down whenever I design a character. Or this is something I borrowed from that game system. Leave the burning wheel which is a very fantasy system. I wrote a series of statements about my character stuff like. I will never do this. I will always do this. This most important thing to me. And I tried to I approach a decision across roads were one those challenged at this. I'd do I bide by this or or does that fundamental aspect of my character change? And I and if it does I make note of it, and I use that line and write a new one, and I just keep, you know, notes of where I've been where I'm going and what I believe in at that time. And by the time I finished with Bob Johnson. What he believed in had changed so fundamentally that he was different person. And I realize I can take him anymore. Like, I can take him further anymore. The hope hope to answer your question. Yeah. It did. I mean, it's just like it's something totally new and cool to me. Yeah. HD you're such a fan of like fantasy in Middle Earth of surprise. You've never gotten into like RPG's, which actually brings us what you've been up to this weekend. Yeah. Speaking of token because Jacob made sure her name. Job that while he was describing Bob Johnson. Yes. I went to see the token maker of Middle Earth exhibit at the Morgan library and museum. So this is the museum that was made from J P Morgan's private collection of art and books, and it's a pretty small museum in New York. But I found it pretty interesting just because of a cow eclectic collection was like, for example, he has at least to hold bookshelves worth worth of Robinson Crusoe which I found whole areas. I don't know how you why you need so many collections of Robinson Crusoe, but what we are really there for was the token exhibit, which basically compiles all tokens, original 'lustration, maps, draft manuscripts and kind of telegraphed his process in creating the hobbit and Lord of the rings series and Middle Earth itself. And I gave me a newfound appreciation for JR token. I. Have I've read all the books. I was you know, a fan particularly of the hobbit growing up. I read the hobbit I and it was I read it as a child. So it was definitely something that spooked me a lot more than Lord of the rings, which I read a few years later. I think I was still in elementary school. And I thought it was fine but a little tedious. I remember there's a whole section where he talks about trees for like two pages. And I was like what is this? But I haven't revisited Lord of the rings since then looking in seeing this exhibit and seeing everything that went into it. And all the influences that Jair token brought into it gave me a newfound appreciation made me want to both revisit Lord of the rings trilogy. And also read the similarly in which is something I'd never done. I have this fascination with it now. But it goes back into his family history. His the influence that his mother brought up particularly her passion for handwriting and calligraphy and how for example, the Finnish language was something that he found so beautiful that he. Decided to use that as like the base basis for Elvis, and he how he wrote the hobbit as like story kind of force children, and they were very upset when they found out that it was published in there like it was like their bedtime story. And then the reheard the before that. Yeah, it's crazy. It's really fascinating. And they when his publisher asks for a sequel he worked on law rings for several years, no supposed to be more of a children's book, but ended up kind of becoming this whole new beast because expe- his experiences with like for two, and it became something much more somber and in grandiose, and it's just so it was really fastened to see how that came about. And like, no, not only did they like his plans, but just like random doodles that he did for example on like crossword puzzles, and those considered part of his whole writing process, one of my favorite things, I saw there actually was he kept very extensive notes. He had this whole time. Line of the Lord of the rings trilogy. And like how each of the groups of characters like went on their own separate journeys like where they separated and everything so he had a soups like even had the orcs in the ring rates, and he had the the men their allies and Gandalf in the hobbits. And how and he had them like kind of showing them how they crossed and disk and connected and separated in Sutton was really cool to see so. Yeah, it's it's great. They didn't allow stick pictures in it because it was just like a very private collection of things. But I highly recommend going to check it out. It was really cool, and they have some great Lord of the rings merchandise in the stores will I bought myself a pocket habit. And I was very excited about it has the waters of pocket Haub out. Just just the hobbit, but like pocket-size edition. It can take anywhere with you. Yeah. Exactly. So like pocket-size things so and it has like the the new anniversary cover of it too. So I was a it was really cool. And I am excited to kind of dive back into the series, maybe in time for the Amazon series to to show up, and I can have the actual knowledge of it. Instead of just relying on my. Little rings nerd friends have okay? Speaking of rating, let's talk about what we've been reading. Chris you've been reading a lot this week. Yeah. I keep keep trying to read a lot more in every weekend. I basically sit down and try and burn through some books and putting Jacob the shame. He tried to read one one book a week in your like reading like three. Yeah. I'm I'm sure I'll drop off sooner or later, I'll get bored with it. But for now, I read dryers English by Benjamin drier, and he's the copy chief of Random House, and this book is all about copy editing and style and grammar and punctuation, and you know, that can be boring in theory. But this book is very entertaining. And I'm always looking to better myself as a writer, and I just really enjoyed this book. And I think if if you if anyone out there likes to write or wants to write or considers themself writer, they should probably pick this book up just because it's it's a good. Crash course through things, even if you know all the rules that are being talked about air. It puts them in a new perspective. So I I would highly recommend this book. I also read in the blink of an eye by Walter merch. Who is an editor? He edited the conversation and Apocalypse Now a bunch of other Francis Ford Coppola movies, and you know, he's from an older school style of editing. And this book was published a little while ago. And it just basically, you know, I it's all about editing film. And you know, why certain cuts work the way they do. And it was really good book. But it also made me really depressed because it just points out. How terrible film editing has become where everything is like cut like super fast in this like chaotic way and author merchants. Whole thing is about you no longer takes and longer cuts and. Filmmakers don't do that anymore. It's all about, you know, quick quick superfast ADD editing, and you know, I feel like we've we've lost something by embracing that. But that's you know, that's just the way it is now, and I guess there's really no going back. And Finally, I read I finished. I started reading this a while ago. But I finished I heard you paint houses by Charles brand. And this is the book that inspired the Irishman the new Martin Scorsese movie with Robert deniro Alpa chino, and I'm satisfied. I did not really like the book the book is about this guy named Frank Sheeran. Who claims he was a hitman for hire. He also claims he's the guy who killed Jimmy Hoffa, the famous or infamous Teamster leader who disappeared years ago, and they never found him. And a part of the problem. I have with the book is it's very clearly it's clear to me. At least this guy is just a hundred percent of shit like. No, nothing. He says comes across as true to me because it's almost like it's like a forest Gump through the crime world because not only does claim that he killed Jimmy, AVI. You also claims he was involved with the Kennedy assassination and also Watergate, and all it's just not seem realistic to me that said I am still looking forward to the movie because I'm sure Martin Scorsese will take the best bits from the book and only use them and cut out all the other crap. So while I did not like the book. I'm I'm looking forward to seeing the Irishman still Jacob. How is your reading of one book a week journey then terrible. I'm still reading best movie year ever, which is actually a very light, easy breezy fundraiser. In fact, I haven't finish. It speaks a lot to me doing other things off three. Do you think a book like that is easier to read like episodically, I feel like that's not something? I would like, you know, binge my way through I'd like wanna read, you know, one of. Of those, you know, one of the chapters like every week or something, maybe maybe get it depends on the book, honestly. And this one is very easy to really I fish chapter wa start the next one. It's a very very good. And also, I'll be honest with you, Peter I used to do almost all my reading in bars while we'll having a drink. Are you still go out go to like, a my local haunt tr- treaties Mexican restaurant in Austin with a bar staff? That knows me my wife extremely well. Because were there so often and stay there for three hours, and I would eat chips in case, oh, I would drink tequila, and I would just finish entire books in single sitting member since I started dieting, and I have cut down almost all alcohol, and I stopped eating sugar and carb my reading opportunities dried up, which is really sad state of affairs. But that's the truth. And I I'm trying to manufacture a new environment where I like reading because. My favorite thing to do in the world is to have a book, I'm enjoying gossip alkaline basket of chips is my it is straight up my favorite thing. I've ever done for leisure time and have any more than a serious blow to myself esteem. I want to be sad coffeeshop. Yeah. I'm place to read not don't like coffee. To be fair. I'm training what's up to like coffee? The so off subject on trade with ice coffee because it goes down easier and cold brew in all and all that stuff during south west, I really dove into it. And to try to learn to like it. I'm drinking a Cup of iced coffee every morning with my you know, vitamins and brain medication and whatnot. So I'm trying to learn to like it. But I don't know. I just I I miss being able to associate books with enjoying delicious things. I don't want to encourage you to eat sweets at a coffee shop because that's what I like to do. Peter I happened. We need my comics. And I've opinions on the final issue of be PRD. And I'll let people talk about this. I thought about writing slash lashawn. I may still do this week to find the time because Hubble universe came to end last week all the movies bombing in theaters hell will universes over the slow keep doing prequel comic center fifties. And so on but BP d the spinoff series. Hell boy, it's been running for over one hundred fifty issue by the time this came out. It's gone. This series began when help boy left the BP as seen in hell boy to than the movie version and followed the supporting cast of the hell, by comics as they run their own adventures. And even though Mike me Nola. Hell boys, creator is credit on every issue. And probably had a hand in guiding overall story most it was written by John r Coody an incredibly talented comic writer and his rotating cast of incredible artists who brought this. Grittier more realistic style to the Hobo universe and a left at little over a year ago and new writer Scott Allie who've been along editor on a held books took over writing duties and the series really started suffering forever. Skills alley has an editor. He doesn't have the same knack for dialogue characterization. So be PRD's. Start going really downhill really fast. And I feel like I can't speak for the creators involved up have about this. But the series came to its end, I think an even because acuity left in the series be was not same series anymore. But Ming Nola had a big hand in the final issue, even drawing the last half of it, which he hasn't done for PR d in years, and I'll just say the hell universe. Ends definitively. It's not a good B B PRD ending. It does not do service of the characters anticipate the apocalypse. Most of the cast is wiped out. It is extremely dark. It is. It's. We're expecting with owns and like everybody's miserable. But as ending for the hell universe. It actually ties back in so closely to the to the comic new the lower and things are set up in the very first issue of ninety four twenty five years ago. And as a final punctuation Mark on the entire university universe that is as complex as marvel as confusing as DC requires you to really understand twenty five years history to fully appreciate it. It works isn't ending all of it. But as an ending be PRD, it is such a let down and I wish they had found a way to keep our Cudi on sokaia finish characters often as strong way. But yeah, be PR dean hell become really worth diving into. But just be aware that the fifteen issues before the final issue are a slog. And I think everybody knows it. Okay. You mentioned game of thrones. I think that segues quite nicely into what we've been watching. Ben, what did you think of last night's upset without I guess giving spoilers because some people have watched it yet. So I'm sure a lot of people are kind of sick of me, not trash talking game of thrones. But but taking umbrage with some of the directions, but it's gone and some of the increased scope, and like the focus on the battle episodes and stuff like that over the past year or two and this was so wait a second. I've heard nothing but good things about the last night's have said, I have not watched it. But I've everybody's glowing saying it might be one of the best episodes of the entire series. Are you trying to say that you did not like it? No. I'm actually saying that I loved it. Because it didn't do any of the things that I just mentioned like those the complaints that I've had about the show and the direction that it's taken over the past couple of seasons. It seems like this episode was written. Specifically for me like somebody who doesn't really care about characters jumping on the back of dragons and flying around just because it's supposed to be a fist pumping moment. But instead an episode that's almost entirely devoted to character sitting around in a room, and you know, hashing out their feelings and having a triumphant long-deserved moments of recognition and just amazing character moments. It was so small scale and so just an intimate episode. Jacob in our in our joint review, we sort of referred to it as game of thrones bottle episode, which is like the show is so big they've never really had the opportunity to do that before. Because the the scope of the whole thing has been so sprawling. But this is the first episode. I think that's only taking place at one location in the entire history of the show. They literally don't cut away from anywhere. Other than winter fell in this episode and frigging loved it and Jacob noted to. Yeah. This is one of the best episodes of game of thrones if ever done and now. Death. Not single fight just characters. We'd love waiting through the longest night imaginable. They're waiting for an army to arrive. They all aware, they're probably gonna lose this fight. And we're watching characters we spent eight years with choose how spend their final hours who they spend them with what they wanna do. They wanna talk about and characters all come from across the continent that they've all produced some experiences, some Haiti shadows them love each other or something to have such mixed feelings look at you are you in the hound. But seeing how what they choose to do with their final hours is profoundly moving in very funny. There's there's a group of characters who gather around a fire in a circle of chairs drinking wine as group of people who have noise museum room. They're all all gathered here by fate. But it will unimaginable people being the same castle little in the same room a couple of years ago, and it's the funniest sweetest. Strangest conversation, I'll game of thrones is a really large chunk of the episode. And it it we went back and read it are lists earlier this month Ben of best moments. Invest codes. I think the whole drinking circle and episode would make both lists. Yeah. I think so too and just really quickly. I know we're we're going along on this. But I think it's so important to me for this episode to exist where it does at this point in the season. Because even if all there's only four episodes of the show left, by the way. So even if all four episodes, even if it's all stuff that I have have been complaining about for the past. You know, he took a couple of years, it will it will go down so much easier because of the setup in the groundwork that they laid in this episode in the fact that they took the time in the final season the show to have to set up episodes before the the full war is unleashed. I it just means a lot to me on a on a storytelling level. And on a personal level because it just seems like they they really cared. And it shows me that the show runners. You know, they they care about these characters as much as you know, way more than I do. And that is something that sometimes get has gotten lost for me and some of my complaints over the past couple of years, but watching an episode like this where it's so small, and so focused just sort of reinvigorates my love for the show. Very cool. Okay. I will talk about what I've been watching this week. I watched the first couple of episodes of Bosh these in five I feel like this is the show that I know none of you have watched show bene- actually think you would enjoy the show because I know you're into mysteries. And this is kind of a Ciro is to tech too hard boiled detective show that takes place in Los Angeles. I feel like a lot of people right off the show is just like, you know, it's one of the things their dad would watch. But it's so much better than that. And the season starts off with a I mean, usually this show is a little bit slow going. It's kind of. I mean, it's based on the series of novels about this character named Bosh who is a detective for the Los Angeles PD, and he usually kind of takes a I would I would like to think it takes more realistic approach to the crime investigation process. And like each season is usually about like one kind of case, and it takes its time in the opening of the season five premiere there's just so much explosive knits, there's you know, burder there's explosions there's robbery out of there's just so much packed into that I sold, and I we've only got into zen, but I really liked the series. And I do want to recommend it because I know everybody out there probably has Amazon prime, and this is something you get obviously with it with it was on prime video and Bosch is a really enjoyable series. And I think for those of you who don't like Siri. Realize TV because it just feels like they're making stuff up as they go along. This is inspired by a book. So I feel like it has more of a overall arc to each season. That feels like it was written by like one author. So yeah, borrow consistent is the show. Peter. I know this this is the fifth season. So you're in a point with the show now where you can make the judgments of like, okay this season is better than the others. How how is it? How's it been overall? I don't know. That's a hard one each season is so very different. It's it's like, I don't know. That's a har-. Then I watch Fox News one day. Try like I'm not gonna say anything to like be like, this is the best thing ever. And I feel like I know nowadays with so much content. So many streaming services like for something to be worth your time. It has to be amazing. So this is an amazing, but it's very good. And it's it's and it's something I just feel like you would be into it because of the mystery aspect and also has like an overarching like there's, you know, a history with him and his mother something happened to his mother and like that goes for multiple seasons. So like it it's not just the, you know, the case of the week that is that season. There's like more to bite into their okay? You've convinced me I'll give it a shot. And last week. I mentioned watching dark side of the ring. This is the show and vice land from director Jason Eisner who did. Hobo the shotgun and revenge in been continuing to watch that this week they had the Bret Hart. Montreal screw job episode, which I also mentioned last week that I watched hitman Hart wrestling with shadows. And this episode is a good companion to that features a bunch of stuff that isn't in that documentary. I it kind of gives you some perspective of the legacy of this. And it gives you some people that were involved actually talking about it and some some actually arguing who was responsible for it. And I know Jacob after I recommend this on last week's episode. The hitman Hart wrestling with shadows documentary. You actually went and watched it. Yeah. And he said the director Paul J has up on his YouTube channels you can wash on YouTube right now. And like I said, I don't watch wrestling. But I have so many friends who do keep your prized of although wacky updates on it because I find as an industry and business so singular and fascinating. And some smart people. I know right brilliantly about wrestling. And it's amazing that that it conspire. The most low braille reactions Animas highbrow reactions from people from all different walks of life and background. It's documentary. I don't think he'd be wrestling fan to enjoy as Peter mentioned, especially Bret Hart's final year in the WWF before he's transitioning the WCW and it follows him and his family as as his life put them into a place where he's his characters turn to a villain, and he grabs grapples with you know, with that in a way surprising moving because he has he's is almost like saying we character you've built in played and you cold core. Part of you has to now get booed instead of cheered had this really fascinating to see that actually happen in have the emotional toll on the performer. And of course, all leads the infamous Montreal job, which you know, has Wicky pedia pages. But it's almost linked to a book 'cause as complex game. It's and I just found this to be such an intimate personal and damning documentary the footage. It amazing. They'll making itself isn't always I it's very very low budget affair. It's khanate commit make a low budget Canadian indie talk from though from the late nineties. It doesn't have any policy at. But but it's like they were in the right place at the right time to capture like an explosion that. No one could have predicted. Yeah. And if you're even remotely interested in like what goes into making wrestling happen. Even if you have no interest actually watching it. If you want to know, what these people are like with the industry is like, you know, what goes on behind the scenes of this stock memory is really a messy. I was kind of going away by it. Yeah. What else have you been watching this week checkup? Speaking of documentaries to have no right to be as open and honest and forthright as they are. I watched the new Netflix documentary series Formula, one drives arrive and like with wrestling, Peter, I have I don't watch. I have never watched Formula one race. But by end the series, my wife, and I were like watching from the one we were so on board with everything this series was offering it is actually a production from Formula one, but is not a hagiography where just trying to paint this glowing portrait of of this racing sport. It is the equivalent of if the NFL personally hired cameraman to go into the locker rooms of every single NFL team filmed every argument every disagreement every shoving match and everybody be brutally Osler each other events of. Yeah. Cut together and don't change anything. Because it's it's probably one is much smaller sports in the NFL. There's only ten teams and twenty racers. But. It is one of the most well edited well-presented well shots, and brutally honest sports. Documentaries. I've ever seen. Alternate episodes are about half hour long little longer, and it is just gripping and funny, and I was just thrilled by every episode so of somebody great storylines emergent places, the structure of the show way jumps around time is quietly like really really powerful, and how builds a certain things and like there's actually a Formula one track built in Austin. It's about thirty minute drive from where I live and at the time when it was built was like oh zero interested in that. But now, I'm like literally looking into how can I go wash it for me on race when it comes to Texas next year for the American lake the of the world tour because I I am so interested in the racers their cars, the behind the scenes politics yet the idea that you have to balance the idea of. You can be a brilliant driver. But do you don't have the budget of another team. So some some mediocre racers driving cars that are as Powell's a space shuttle or some of the best drivers are like driving cars are barely being held together. Because they don't have the money to keep them running. It's just I was straight up enthralled by documentaries. Ain't nobody else watch this. Because if not you have to watch this. No. But it sounds a lot. It sounds like you're going to really love the new Ford versus Ferrari movie that comes out later this year. It sounds like it has that same sort of vibe to it. I am totally for that. Because friar is still dominating right now, they're like one of the big teams, and one of the very few not to be highlighted in the documentary, apparently Ferrari and Mercedes both turned down the opportunity to be featured the dock where it's all the other teams are, and it's man this and I want to go back and rewatch rush Ron Howard for one movie. Al and I want to I seventeen a documentary about the legendary from one racer who died in the eighties and not enough. Looks like go watch that. Now, I feel like Formula one could be a thing that I'm generally interested in there's enough drama here to fill you know, this is the game of thrones absence owned watch Formula one it's like watch Europeans murderer each other in different ways. But winning and races. Take one of the things I love you is you know, you aren't necessarily sports fan, but you're into like all these athletic competitions. Purely because you are interested in the human story behind them and not actually because of the competition itself all Repsol because if you Peter I love RPG's because you create story in the moment sports is the same thing sports is a drama being told in real time. That's not being pre written or preordained. It is it is entirely. It is the Pierce form of storytelling because because it is humans writing their own stories and whether they're heroes coward drivelines. Something happens in the moment. And that is amazing. That is genuinely incredible. I I'm a casual sports fan as you said, Peter, but I will watch any thirty for thirty. I will watch any good sports, doc. I obsessed with the idea of storytelling happening organically, very cool. Did you watch anything else this week? Oh, I watched silence. It is terrible. A Netflix tire movie. Wants based on a novel of the same name. It really is essentially a quiet place whole over again where creatures are on earth are found in earth that are blind. But respond to sounds people to live very quietly to survive in the post, apocalypse and one either the family at the front of it even has a deaf daughter who to to all know, how to sign it's literally a quiet place. It has all the exact same plot. Details except the monsters are have wings. That's pretty much the only difference. And it's a rough rough watch cured in Shipka from the blackouts daughter and madman is lead. And we got the conversation, but wasn't not a a non factor spyplane death character. But here like look at a quiet place where the actress playing the daughter actually is deaf and lend so much to do on performance. Whereas Kiernan Shipka, I never believed. He was deaf. This entire movie, it is a bad performance of actress, I generally like, and there's no reality to her to a tour disability and. At invite invited. All even Stanley Tucci who plays. Her father is the to my man, the two is in this movie elevating in any way, you know, what he's trying. He's trying his best to she can't give bad form. It's you know, at all, but any harm movies talking to stand the? To the ship. It should be good. And this thing is just absolute junk, it looks cheap. If feels cut to the bone. It's kind of thing, you know. Of course, Netflix Botha's because the studio clearly looked at this and said, oh, we can't release to stock crap is directed by John Arlene ETI who directed the very bad. But it's still enjoyable wish upon francesa seventeen first Annabel, aka Annabel. Everybody does not like even though I am a weird defender of and mortal Kombat annihilation, so maybe it's not surprising. The silence is no good whatsoever. But nNcholas is pushing it hard it's all of their front page. If you saw Stanley Tucci and said, I wanna watch it too. And he's one of the best actors alive today. Don't fall for the tricking you. Okay. It seems like everybody on this podcast is making their way through police story. I think Ben was the first to watch than HD. Now. Chris you watched this movie. Yeah. It's coming out on the criterion collection next week. And they sent me a review copy of it. And the criterion version has police story want and police story too. I haven't watched the second one yet. But I watched the first one over the weekend. And yeah, just a mirror. What has already been sent on this podcast in the past? It does indeed rule. It's just it's, you know, Jackie Chan defying all laws of gravity in physics all sorts of things just, you know, throwing himself literally into all these action scenes, which you know, they seem like they would kill anyone else. And it's not just Jackie Chan it's like his whole team that he has of stuntman and martial artists. Doing these these incredibly dangerous stunts and. It's all real, you know, it's it's all practical. It's people really doing this stuff. And it's just a just a lot of fun to watch it one of the things about it is there's almost like no setup. We literally just starts, and it just like the you a quick rundown of the cops looking at like a slide show of the villains in edges launches into the movie. Whereas, you know, Jackie Chan and his his fellow cops just engaging in this very lengthy crazy chase scene. And you know, it's been said before, but you know, Jackie Chan is basically like the Buster Keaton of action movies, where he brings this surprisingly comedic element to everything where you know it. Yes, it's cool on it's action packed and it's dangerous. But he plays up. You know, the humor in Jackie Chan never really plays cool characters. He always plays sort of like nerdy dork who just happen to be really going to fighting people. And it's just a a joy to watch. And I can't lightweight to watch the second one. Very cool. Then what have you been watching? So I watched a homecoming a not the Amazon show, but the film by beyond say that is on Netflix right now, it's a concert movie about last year's Coachella performance. Where she headline. Choose the first black woman to a headline Coachella ever, and this concert film is pretty amazing. I mean, it's true. I would say made up it's like a ninety percents of the actual performance footage and all that. And maybe ten percent. Maybe fifteen percent of like a behind the scenes of like how it all came together in her working with her team, and you know, beyond so his has become such a almost like an impenetrable figure who you know. She's the pop culture icon this Queen who was like untouchable in this ivory tower that like, you know, everybody just sort of bows at her feet like rightfully because she's an incredible musician and performer, but she sort of. Really difficult to access as a person like, you know, she doesn't really do that much press. And there's you don't really get a good sense of who she is other than what she's done, you know, sort of Boehner Instagram like maybe on stage like you sort of get a sense of this person. But having this footage sort of inter spliced with the concerts stuff gives you a good idea of why she has become the icon. She is. And it's this incredible worth work ethic that she has and yes, she directed the movie, and sort of wrote it and like put this whole thing together. So it is sort of a testament to her own amazing legend in a way. But because it's so rare to get that glimpse at the real beyond saying, I would say it's worth watching. And the performance itself is is really incredible as well. I mean, it's like acting. It's over how long has this movie. It's a hundred and thirty seven minutes and most of it is her performing. Onstage with like, I think she says at one point there are two hundred people on stage with her she brings out a ton of performers, and and drum lines dancers and all this stuff. And it's all on stage. It's something that you wouldn't see in a traditional festival environment. But she just like ant- everything up, and she doesn't stop moving for like the whole time. So it's just it's an incredible like piece of endurance as well. So yeah, it's on Netflix right now, it's called homecoming. I don't know if anybody else has had a chance to check this out, or is it or is interested in any way. And if you guys planning on watching this. I need to. I haven't yet. But I've heard really great things, and I do love beyond say, so. Yeah. Double feature of this. And in the Springsteen dock with with my wife because I'm a huge bringing seen fantasy huge beyond say fan. I think we should both make watch the other one of the same. That's sounds like a good call. I also watched the secret garden from nineteen forty nine Peter when you and I were at sin mccown. They showed a trailer for a new version of the secret garden it's coming out. I think later this year, and I had not seen this nineteen forty nine version. I think I saw the nineties one when I was very very young. And don't remember really anything about it? So this nineteen forty nine version which is directed by. Fred m Wilcox and stars. Margaret O'Brien was on Turner classic movies and DVR it and just watch this because it's not that long. It's like an eighty nine minute movie. And I just wanted to sort of get, you know, reefa me is myself with that story, I've been debating all week about whether or not to reveal this, but I'm just going to anyway because movies from nineteen forty nine I'm guessing most of our listeners, probably. Going to rewatch it even if I say, it's a good movie, and you should watch it. Wait a second so spoilers for nineteen forty nine movie. For a story that's been told several times. But this particular version is is filmed in black and white. And then when the characters actually enter the titular secret garden, it goes to color, and I didn't realize that that was a thing that was going to happen. This is an MD movie. And you know, I it was it's like a big showcase of technicolor technology, and it's very wizard of Oz. It came out ten years after wizard of Oz. But I just had no idea that that was going to happen. But the the duality the juxtaposition of the black and white in color, really really works for this story because the secret garden is supposed to be this sort of not quite magical, but place that represents purity and a different time for all of these characters and a more. Pure past. I guess, but yeah, it's I, you know, the some of the performances are a little goofy. But the story is solid. And I'm looking forward to actually revisiting the nineties version, and then watching the new version and sort of seeing how they all compare across the timeline. But as anybody else ever seen the forty nine version of this movie, you think I read, but I haven't and I'm really intrigued by the color decision. I didn't know that. That was the case either. I watched the nineties version several times, you might not have fit Francis. Todd francis. Hodge. Hodgson, Burnett fan, I had her book slow process since he garnered growing up, I even had a pop up book of the secret garden, so as a big fan of the story. Yeah. And yeah, I want to check this out. Now, I had no idea. They it's a it's a great great story, very timeless and actually didn't know that. There was going to be a new version either. So I am excited. If if you if you want to. C more film from the air that experiment with color like you talking about I will recommend my second of all time matter of life and death, Michael Pailin Emmerick Pressburger which set in during World War Two on on the ground and in the afterlife and the afterlife is shot in black and white while the real world shot in color, but the us the technicolor film, the the black and white scenes, but didn't add color, which gives us really strange glow to the dwelled a black and white scenes, and there's always stuff those crazy for the time like crossed his all supreme color and black and white teens. And so if this anyway interest you as like a way to experience experiment with looking at ways people using this these techniques in the forties. You should really watch it because it's also great. Yeah. Do need to watch that. I've only seen. I think the red shoes might be the only Powell and Pressburger movie I've ever seen. I need to aim to remedy that immediately. All right. So next up. I watched the big heat on the criterion channel, I subscribed to this after you know, hearing. So many good things about it from the people who were big film struck advocates. And this was the first movie that I watched on the the new streaming service. This is a nineteen fifty three film Noir movie directed by Fritz Lang who did movies like em and metropolis and this one stars Glenn Ford who I primarily new from. He was in the original three ten to Yuma. But I mostly knew him as a pocket in the superman movie from nineteen seventy eight Richard Donner superman, and I don't think I'd really seen much of him as like a Hollywood leading man. But this, you know, he plays a detective who is investigating the suicide of one of his fellow police officers, and he comes across a lot at dirty characters and discovers all this corruption Lee Marvin plays like a a heavy villain of the second. In command type of guy and Gloria Grahame is like his is Lee Marvin's, character's girlfriend, who's like the sort of fatal issue fig. Later. This movie is really nasty. There's like a lot of violence in it. And you know, it seems shocking to watch even today. So I'm I'm not sure how audiences reacted in nineteen Fifty-three when this came out. But there are some pretty brutal stuff in there. Like, there's a scene where Lee Marvin throws a mug of or not even a mug like he he's holding a coffee. What are they called? Not a not the thing that you make coffee in a. Grower coffee pot. Yeah. Coffee pot. I guess. Yeah. I can you tell I don't drink coffee. But anyway, he's like hurls boiling coffee on Gloria grams face and scars her face and she screams for like minutes on it. Like, this movie is pretty brutal. So I would recommend though. I mean, I think it's it's a solid, especially if you're interested in Fillmore, especially if you're interested in the moves of Fritz Lang, and and you know, if you had the criterion collection, if you subscribe to that, this is a pretty I mean, it's it's not an easy watch because it's sort of unsettling with all that violence, but the performance was a really solid, and it gave me a new appreciation for Glenn Ford at a guy who I primarily new from a bunch of other types of stuff. Speaking of the criterion collection all star, the the channel also watched detour which the mood at Chris talked about last week after hearing his description of the quasi insane plot of that movie. I had to see this thing for myself, and it is indeed very. Take us and very fun. I enjoyed it a lot it's the type of movie where some when talking about the the death penalty like the gas chamber. Somebody says I hate to see a guy as young as you Sniffen, the perfume the Arizona hands out to free to murder. It's like that's such a long way to go to say, I hope you don't die in a gas chamber pedestrians like walking through fog. That's so thick. You can barely see them in this movie. The dialogue is really like, you know, Rattatte and kind of crazy, but Edgar g Elmer directed this. And I feel like he he did a really really good job with, you know, this is like a pretty low budget movie had the the budget dis- disputed how much it cost to make somewhere between twenty thousand and one hundred thousand dollars, but for that level money, especially they really were able to stretch the dollar and make something that's really atmospheric. And and a lot of fun to watch and savage. I wanna give a shout out to she plays. The the. Woman who ends up sort of black mailing the lead guy after he makes so many boneheaded mistakes this movie one after the other. But she has these really fiery is that were like man, I totally bought her in the lead role in this performance. Oh, shouted and savage was in nineteen forty five film that probably not that many people have seen. But anyway, detour that wouldn't as Chris mentioned last week is also available in the public domain right now. So you don't even have to have the criterion channel to watch it. And then Finally, I watched avengers Infinity war in preparation for endgame. Peter. I think you're going to the premier tonight. Is that right? Yeah. The premier starts at six PM on the dot because this movie is long long long. So if you look up on the site in a Twitter, probably around nine thirty or ten PM tonight. You should see the first reactions from from address in game, and of course, no spoilers. So just a reaction. All right. So you're seeing. Tonight. I my screening is tomorrow. So I just wanted to rewatch Infinity where I'm not doing anything close to what Jacob Brad of done recently like diving further back into the MC you and sort of building up to it. I just really wanted to watch the most recent thing again, and I have to say, I know Chris doesn't really like this movie. But I remember liking it at the time and thinking that there was a lot to like about it and really not appreciating the battle of Kanda stuff at the end and feeling like that sort of brought the movie down for me, but raw on rewatch like it even more this time, and I'm sort of surprised to come to that revelation for myself, like I it doesn't seem like the type of movie that I would like more on, you know, third Ewing, or whatever it is. But I have to say, I think the action scenes in movies like these almost across the board are becoming less and less interesting to me, but the smaller character moments, and this is something that I guess that you would you know, if you read my game of thrones coverage you. Probably picked up on this already the character. Moments are the things that really do it for me. And I feel like the scripts in Infinity word is pretty well executed like pretty tight. You know, there's not a lot of fat on there. And even though it's a long movie and feels like most of those interactions are earned and were really funny. And or just a surprising in all of the right way. So I have a new appreciation for interest in finito after watching it, and I'm sure Peters probably happy to hear that. Yeah. Every watched this a couple of weeks back. I think I mentioned on the podcast, and I had the same reaction about the conduct of like I feel like when I saw that theatrically. I that kind of brought the movie doubt. Like, maybe I'm wondering if it's expectations like maybe because we didn't know we expected that to be a bigger like like more intense fight scene. Like that was the trailers were kind of building up to that being. The, you know, the penultimate moment in that movie. And obviously that you know, kind of was but wasn't actually very interestingly I haven't interviewed going up with Russo brothers. It's gonna be on the site tomorrow. And it's completely spoiler free. Because they will not talk about any of the plot for endgame. But I one thing we brought up in the chat is that this new movie, I think this might be the first blockbuster in the history of or at least modern history of blockbusters that we have not seen one wick of an action scene. They're not even they're not advertising, a third tier tentpole action scene in the movie, we we have no idea what any of the action scenes in this movie, look like, and that's pretty insane. Yeah. And you know, even watching the wauconda stuff like I still wasn't crazy about it. Because it's the same thing. You know, the same complaints hold true about it being a faceless horde. You don't really care about any of those characters on it. All it just sort of gets too big for its own good. But as somebody who's just coming to terms with the fact that I have to put a lot of the at modern action stuff aside, and it, you know, especially when thinking about coming from something like police story like mixing those types of movies, and in my rotation as a Sinophile, it's like, you really come to appreciate the, you know, the more practical tactile kind of stuff versus these huge like bigger than their own good digital stuff. But but like, I said the dialogue, and and a lot of the character interactions are so good and Infinity or they're better than I remember. So I wanted to give a quick shout for that. Yeah. We we need to talk Chris into give other fat. Now. I am seeing endgame tomorrow though. So I'll I'll be doing the review for the site, which I'm sure a million listeners just groaned inwardly hearing that news my privacy Idi review. Chris I promise to give it a fair shake. I've said this before by never going to a movie hoping to hate it. And I want this to be good so fingers crossed and Bradley leading a spoiler review. So we'll have all kinds of perspective on this film in the days ahead for sure. Yeah. And we'll also have some spoiler coverage on this podcast as well. Okay. Finally HT. What have you been watching this week not that much except for the no Centenario gigolo movie the perfect date, which is not that perfect movie? In fact, it's just all right? It's not as terrible as a center halos last go around and Netflix, which was Sierra. Burgess is a loser. Just a that was a pretty terrible film, which had very misguided themes the perfect date. Meanwhile, just kind of feels very much like a product of. A Netflix algorithm and even know us enter Nieto's, inherent charisma. Can't really keep this from being more interesting than it is not. It's falls a high school students who has not finding features about him except for straight as and who really wants to go to Yale for some reason as he decides to offer his services as a fake dating escort to make money for college. But then, of course, falls in love, it's yeah. It's just a fine. Okay. Movie. The one thing that is interesting about it is that no essential plays a character named Brooks Rattigan, and he pulls it off. So that's one thing. I'll have I'll say it. Go is going for it. Yeah. It was magic in this movie as he was in to all the boys. I love before. No, it's unfortunate because like he's kind of doing the same thing. But it feels like Netflix is really bringing him dry. And I'm I'm looking forward to when he's back in the to all the boys love before a series and just bouncing off of Lana Condor who is much better sort of foil him, then like all of his other love romantic interests have been so far net. Flicks films Gajah. Okay. Let's move on to what we've been eating. I can officially announce that I have lost officially fifty pounds. So I'm halfway towards my goal, which is very exciting often graduates. What was that outgoing? Yeah. Yeah. You know? Thank you. I appreciate it. I have a big smile across my face that you can't see right now because we're not, but I do want to recommend some food this week. I got this new low carb cereal called magic spoon which super expensive. It comes in like a box pouches like a serial school. But this tastes I wanna say like ten times better. So I would highly recommend therefore different kinds of like a fruity. They have a frosted. They have a cinnamon and cocoa in the fruity is the best flavor. But Jacob you need to try this. It's called magic spoon. I highly recommend its Google it when I saw it on the dock and I next month when we fresh groceries, I'm probably going to buy some of this. I will say it's kind of bullshit because it's so expensive that like they argue like on there like they're like per serving of this is the cost of what you normally. Pay for a protein bar is like, but that's not how much you usually pay for serving of cereal. Not at all. Yeah. Yeah. But it might be worth it. If you're in the mood for cereal. Also when I was at Disney California adventure this weekend. Doing the logging I dated. I did cheat. I did end up trying the ghost pepper MAC and cheese at the food and wine festival because I that something I wanted to try last time, and I didn't get to try it. And if you like spicy if you like MAC and cheese, and if you're going to be Disney, California adventure before the end of food and wine. I highly recommend this is probably one of the best things I've ever had food and wine in it Har intensive because pepper 'cause isn't that one of the most spicy peppers and world. Well, yes. But I feel like it's not like they probably put a little in. This is a theme park route. So they're not going to like this is not like some places in LA. You can go like in, you know, tied town, and, you know, go to like this. Place that looks like a back room. And then get a dish that will set your mouth on fire for a week. And I it's not that hot I'm assuming they don't use that much of the goes over because then they'd be getting complaints from you know, people that are from middle America not used to spices. But I will say it is probably the spiciest thing I've ever had in the theme park in my mouth was kind of a on fire for the rest of the night. It was very little. I've never really had. I think I've had some Buffalo Wild Wings has a wing called blazing which I think has some goes peppers in it, and I've had this. Those are the only two dips of the tow I have gone into ghost pepper anybody else. Here tried anything goes pepper. I haven't several occasions. I really love the flavor. I love I love the heat. And it definitely can be overwhelming. So you gotta be careful with it. Like, for example. I think the best use of ever tasted was there's a local taco. Chain in Austin called Torchy's, Taco's delicious, and that places amazing. Yeah. And they have taco the month every month where they have a a limited time one time. They had a a goes pepper taco the came with a a a ranch sauce pepper. So it was like this extremely sweet and spicy sauce and for the entire month. I'd go there. I whatever talk show. I would get out. Also ask for side of the goes pepper sauce and has had virtually couple times a week. They'll love it so much and I wish it'd be a back. It was mazing. Yep. Okay. Let's twelve we've been playing something. I wanted to plug is I last night recorded the summer movie wager episode of the slash film cast, and you should be able to hear that right now on the slash home cast feed in the end the site probably tomorrow in this is the yearly game where we try to predict the, you know, the top ten movies at the summer box off. Office which is starting with Disney's avengers. Then game last year. We did aversion with the slash home staff that do do we want to do that. Again this year. Yeah. I lost horribly. I think but I'm excited. Well, there's no real good method to this like I feel like it's all a crap shoot. But it's it's a fun crap shoot and you can actually participate in the summer movie wager. If you want to I think, it's the summer movie wager dot com, you can actually enter in your top ten and compete against us in compete against globally. Everybody playing last year. There was thousands of people playing so check that out at the summer movie wager dot com, and it sounds like we'll probably deal podcast later this week because we've got to do it before, you know, endgame comes out because there's no knowing, you know, the the box office even the early, you know, night before box office totals in being not that anybody isn't gonna put vendors and game as their number one. But just you know. Yes. Okay. Jacob put a view away in a bit of a miracle. The game Cup head has imported the switch where there's no nervous downgrades, and preventing further has anybody here seen footage from competitor played it before I have seen footage and of heard this game is incredibly difficult as heavy found that to be true. So yeah, I played when initially hit the PC doesn't seventeen but never beat now switch. It's perfect to perfect which game because you can play it for two minutes at a time and be fine and put it down and come back to it. I'm going to do what I'm gonna do. I before I forget, I'm gonna drop a YouTube link to his games initial launch trailer in the show notes because you have not seen footage from Cup head. I really think you guys should watch. It this game weird so many game developers strive realistic graphics or graphics that. You know, have all the details. Poppy want to be photo realistic. Cup. It uses the same power of modern game design and graphical interfaces and all that to create a game that looks like a nineteen thirties cartoon, complete with all the film, scratches and audio hiccups it it looks so much like source material that my job is drops. My look at it. And it goes beyond the graphics goes into the music, and the voice acting and the sound effects, and and like LA those old cartoons. It's sort of a morality play setup. It's also creepy and unusual and feels very wrong at times it imagines to blend like the flights of fancy of early. Disney with the genuine creepy -ness of max Fleischer cartoons when that era and the just as you playing as Cup head who is sort of guy who's literally a Mickey Mouse esque character shape, but as heads a Cup and his brother mug man, play players both go to a casino or they smoke cigars and gamble and go too far because they act. Lose their souls to the devil who owns casino, and there are sent out to on a mission to save your souls, which involves trip through through various cartoon levels, fighting all kinds of cartoon bosses, and it all looks so amazing. It has been point out is famously hard. It is very difficult is nothing he played casually or lightly, but I have noticed also the kind of game where if you actively pay attention to the screen you watch what you're doing. And you like actively worked to get better at it. It really does reward you and teach you how to play it. And I know like there's always like this mentality with gamers like you got to get good won't get good of the game. And they always say, this is an Assab way. But I think Cup had Cutler's deal with his visuals, then make offers a genuine challenge in a way where it asks you to take note of all the detail and the enemy nation and take note of how nothing on that screen for. Accident, and well looks very pretty the fact that it uses animation to really draw your eye where you need to be looking to, you know, survive the game and as somebody who likes challenging games like old cartoons and likes the idea of somebody. Madge make an incredibly challenging worthwhile fun game. That's so perfectly the look style and feel of old cartoons. It is it's such an achievement. I if I would show people show people all the time games can do. Now. In fact, that place on a switch, which you know, is the least powerful main console without losing a beat. I mean, I'm I'm so excited. I'm playing a game pretty much constantly these days is I'm wondering Jacob. Is there a video game you're talking earlier, but RPG and having completely, you know, create a new character. Is there a video game that not just after like the first like, you know, half an hour like significantly far into the player that you're playing dies and you actually have to play like. New character. The answer is. Yes, if I don't want to spoil is, yes. Because it's actually a pretty major game that is still being widely played. Okay. Fans and kingdom hearts game. Of course. It does. See I think it would be interesting told me if this happened shakeup, if if it happens in the other player that you're playing is like completely different control styles. So like it's like completely jarring. You have to like completely start from start from scratch. It's not like your care. Do you? I mean, like, it's not like your weapons changed. It's, you know, just a different avatar of you. It's like really a different game. I don't think that's happened to close thing. I can think of is a game almost well brothers from from six or seven years ago. It is a game about two brothers who are on a journey together and has his very compost control scheme where half control or controls, the older, brother and the other half controls, the younger brother and a hope not miss. Remember? It's been so long since played it. But in the towards the end of the game, the older brother dies and the younger brother has to finish game on his own. But for but for the rest of the game, you can use both sides of controller to control the brother. And I it's the realization that the gameplay mechanic of the younger brother inheriting, all the brothers controls is him using his brother taught him nor to finish their journey. So ends up being a mechanical choice that actually has a really moving emotional effect on the player. That's pretty awesome. Okay. Well, we will put a link to the trailer for Cup pet. If you haven't seen that in the show notes, you can find more of all of our work slash on dot com. You can find this podcast slash home delay polish every weekday on itunes, Google, overcast. Spotify all the popular podcast apps. Please feel free to send your feedback questions. Comments concerns to us at Peter at slash dot com and please head on over to itunes page. Give us a five star review. Tell your friends spread the word, and we'll see you tomorrow. Hey, hey, Peter. Yesterday. I've opened up the Gansu in book of insult offense in front of me by Louis Safin opened up to the show section. What do they mean? It's like show off, but they replaced the off though. So he's trying to even clever in e even just the titles of the chapters. Look, listen to somebody's put down, and you can tell me for sure if you don't think Lewis, atheism was clever man on earth because Peter you can never be a janitor. You always putting out an oversupply of hot air. Weight. But I don't understand like what is what? Well, that's me. I I don't like if I'm a janitor. And I put out an oversupply of hot air that doesn't make that doesn't I- janitors. Don't traditionally clean up hot air anyway. So one of those things to do if each. Yeah, it's a gender who carries balloons. Well, someone once told Ben to be himself. He couldn't have been given worse advice. All right. HT thinks she's a siren. But she only sounds like one. Hey. And that Chris he's a real clamor girl. What? Yeah. I don't I feel like that is I feel like you have to stop like forever. This has to come to an end fleets for God's sake. Are you marking off the pages? It's like, so, you know, so you don't repeat any I remember each page. Actually, I've I've opened a few times so page where we recognize some of the jokes and each each page has like dirty jokes on it. So even if I open to a page, I just won't use ones I've used before. So you're saying that like what how how many watercooler podcasts? Do we have to record for you to actually run through every single, Jim? I think probably tens of thousands. I mean, I guess we could do that guys. Right. Yeah. It sounds like a challenge. Make it happen. Well, Peter, you're so boastful everytime. Open your mouth, you put your feet in. Your feet. Oh, I get it. Oh, oh that one. Now, I'm not sure that's clever is it clever. Of course, it's clever. It's written by Louis fucking safety.

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#1029 They Make Decisions

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#1029 They Make Decisions

"Thanks for listening to the atom and Dr drew show on podcast one. Recorded live at Corolla one studios with Adam Corolla in board, certified physician and addiction medicine specialist. Dr drew Pinski. You're listening to the atom Dr drew show. Got to get get it on the. The year. I do we do. Dude it. Yeah. What did they put your backs for the show, promo code ADS, truecar dot com and lifelock promo code and all right? So we were talking on the last show about your climate and the special and kind of what's going on. I was thinking there is a comedic piece of my wife's reaction to to your your special which she loved she. I don't know if I can characterize this properly, but she was saying things like you don't see it. You're around him all the time. He was being so cute insensitive and thankful to you like, oh, no. You got exact opposite. I know very, well, I have to be part of the experience, but it was no special gratitude for me, she she she projected stuff onto you. Thank you. Let her have thankfully for letting way projecting zone, which I would crack me up. She's like, oh, no you understand. I have special. Anyway. Yeah. So what's going on? And the the world there's a sort of political wind that is blowing through everything and the political win used to just blow through politics, right? And then it sort of blew a little bit toward like schools and campuses and colleges, and then it kind of blew there's sort of a corporate nece to it started affecting that product, but never acted comedy right comedies, no room for that entertainment generator, tamen general, and then all of a sudden entertainment, not only started getting this political win, but started blowing hard with it. And then it became a a world where? Look. Nobody cares. What LeBron James is politics are? He is going to be welcome on any roster on any team in the league, especially nineteen year old. Lebron James, there's nobody there's no doesn't matter. What he thinks. Doesn't matter. What his positions are doesn't matters to the period of sport. Right. There certain professions that are that are that way. But most professions we could use him or we could use her him. And when you go well who's going to be the next Batman who's going to be in this movie who's going to be in that move. Well, we got a whole big choice of people somebody good. And now since there are a lot of good people will now were beyond LeBron James. We're going to factor in other things. And now not just being good. Well, because a lot of good chores a lot of good, right? So now, we're going to sort of factor. Good, and we're going to start thinking about other things. And when they start thinking about other things than you. Once they start figuring out other things, then you could be helped or you could be hurt. So if you're sitting around, and you go, I'm a huge supporter of Bob Johnson, and you go, okay. This guy over here. He donated to the Bob Johnson campaign you go good now. Everyone's good. But that guy donated the guy I voted for good. And then you go running against Hank Hank Jenner, and you go I hate that guy. Well that guy over there. He he's a big hang Jenner supporter, and you go. Oh, well, this decision is going to get easy a minute because everyone's good. I'm just going to focus on this guy. Now, that's kind of default human setting. And that's kinda we're at now. Here's the problem before you state, the problem, can I tell you something really interesting. There was in the New York Times this morning an article about Google where they've been making such efforts to improve payment for women. You know, the equal pay thing. So they did a huge study. In turns out, they are disproportionately disadvantage ING men for the same job a large margin. So it's interesting. So well seems of swung a bit there. It is. There. It is. I look you guys heard me say unintended consequences unintended consequences cannot get that fast. Gary really letting there. So now, we have a problem a problem, which is all right? Well, this guy's I'm a Steelers fan guys a ravens fan and that guy that other comedian there's a Steelers fan. So I'm just going to pick him because who cares and they're both good, right? That's normal in that exists. The problem other promises what we're getting into now. Like, I heard that guy talking about the ravens, right? What he say? Oh, here's what he said. Okay. Well, he's now on the list. He's in the basket of deplorables, who I'm not going to choose from and people pretend this doesn't exist or they naively act like it doesn't exist. Always existed in some version this version, but let me let me tell you this. Let's just pretend it doesn't exist. All right. Why does marked applause Senate tweet out that says Ben Shapiro's a good guy? I don't agree with a lot of stuff. He says politically. But if you want to you want someone on the other side, aisles a good, dude. That's Ben Shapiro. And then immediately have to retract that statement and beg for forgiveness. Why if it doesn't exist if plazas not worried about not working anymore than why does he walk that one back what it's all about public execution through eliminating employment. But I'm saying, let's just say this thing didn't exist. If this doesn't exist and marketplace goes well, so what disagree two disagree. I like Ben Shapiro said. It was a good guy. Help me out on a project was a dude I met with. Why does he walk it back? So immediately because he's scared. Why is he scared? It's got reason to be scared. That's where we're living this affects the plant for sure. Okay. I just I love the idea that people think that's paranoia. Oh, no. Oh, no. We'll look the extreme example of it. He lied fire him, and we're not gonna give up to you. Do right Brian Williams? Yep. That's it. Okay. So when it comes to comedy, everyone is now woke, and it's not enough that you make people laugh, it's we gotta figure out what the subjects are color. Your skin is how old you are. Where you come from. Who who you've had on your show? What you tell some of the some of the opinions you put out into the universe. And we're gonna factor that all in. I think that all has a small affect on. Whatever you headwind, you're hitting. But I think everyone's hitting headwinds because executives having real trouble making decisions days. I think it's especially acute for you. Because they're trying to make decisions on comedy the way, you're talking about it. What you're saying is absolutely true. But they also can't make decisions generally. Well, drew you're making insane assertion, which is like they're not putting anything on there. The putting tons of stuff on the they are I I would argue don't be insane. Okay. Known as what you just said making decisions in general. No, they make they're making decisions it if if you fit a category that can get them a little virtue, signaling then you will be green lit if you are putting one that's not. And when people argue they go. Hey, listen to your own words span. These guys are corporations they wanna make money. Yes. They do wanna make money, and yes that is their bottom line. And yes, this factors in not a difference conversation, right? Gary Sarsour thoughts, I listen. I I felt the special was great for the record. I rented it last night. So airy. Yeah. It was I thought it was really fun. I did not think that the you would highlighted for me in advance on a couple of the shows. I don't know if it was indeed. But there were maybe a few Mexican jokes coming. Maybe that was what made net flicks uncomfortable. It bums me out. If that was the case if that's what made them uncomfortable. It bums me out because nothing was mean-spirited their Mexican guys in the audience laughing their asses off at it. And I think that being able to laugh at your own yourself or your own community is an important thing that we are losing. Right. But also there was a couple of Mexican jokes. But dot that that were done at a couple of Mexican jokes like today's world. No, no. Yeah. I I the known if you hadn't said something about it in advance. But I can see why you maybe think that's probably the case. And I agree with you. I think you're probably right. But it's a bummer because it wasn't anything mean-spirited. It was funny. It's funny. And you're allowed to say things that are controversial let's job description. But be funny and don't be hurtful, and I think you've checked all those boxes. Well, I don't thank you. I don't say that. It was all you know, I'm being. Discriminated against because I made a Mexican joke. I just think that I'm generally perceived as this kind of guy, and there's no reason to even why bother even taking the chance when there's so many other funny specials out there, you just put that one on. So I've realized I've I've made my way into that category. And it was of my own doing. And so with just do it ourselves. That's that's the new. That's my new reality. A lot of people are doing it. They're just doing good things are finding them. And then they go back to television. But not in a stand up special department. You're right. Listen. I don't know about Santa obsessions. You're correct. No, most people get paid shit ton of money and sell them somewhere. Right. But we'll do it ourselves. And we'll do it with you guys I in in that vein drill. And I'll give you a very good example, what Gerry's talk about let you do your business. I well, of course, my businesses. 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Go to bitch about butcher box dot com. Enter code ADS checkout will not be unhappy. So saying on Gary subject. Think I told it on a CS? I don't know if I told you this. But it is it's a it's a it's a slippery slope. When you go like he made jokes about Mexicans like. Yeah. Jokes with them in the audience, and they were laughing as hard as anyone else's laughing. And this notion of you can make jokes. You know about your family about your spouse about your kids. So that's fine. But then this grip now it's the same rules apply. You make jokes about your kids. You don't hate your kids or the animus towards your kids at least not one of your family. Stuff that maybe right. Stick it easy on the mentioned, the point is so drew I was by the way all chick think, by the way, this is chick thing. Now, these are dudes thinking like chicks. But this is how chicks think and I can prove it. I'm ready sitting around the table at the quail lodge, the quail lodge K. Okay. And Bagdad cafe but the quail lodge. Huel would would not work at the quail lodge because there's actually interesting thing going on would he wouldn't know what to do. So at the quail lodge, Pebble Beach Rolexes storks best event. I mean, you show you show, Dr drew a picture of that Quayle lot. I don't mean of the actual quail lodge, but the event Aqel the bird walking across the lodge of the actual event. Eight is never seen greener grass or redder for Ariz. It's all there's all. And it is it is have Acadia of Ferraris and Lamborghinis and goal wing Mercedes and along with the greatest wine and cheese, caviar. And every everything they cap at three thousand tickets and sell out, ten minutes, and the tickets are eight hundred bucks a piece above a, blah, blah, blah. So i'm. Sitting around this table and restricting got Godley drinking. All right, convertible. No more pictures for drilling gets the string. I am distract. I'm sitting around a table, and I'm drinking champagne with this guy. You know with the suede loafers, and the the big big gold Rolex and everything and he's talking about the time. He had a bit Sereni fifty three hundred Strada. He bought the bits of rainy for, you know, seventy five grand and sold it for buck eighty and now they're worth one point two million in the other guys talking about the other bits Arini and the guys talking about the Lamborghini, and they're pouring more champagne and everyone's dressed to the nines, and I should. This is exactly what black people think why day. And this is the minds of something for the family guy with the big chin and Schick that chicken. Okay. Okay. Okay. And I was like, no, no, I'm not I'm not saying anything bad about. Okay. We heard you. We heard you. We heard, you know, more. And I'm like, no, no, I'm sort of making a joke at our expense. Like, not saying black people. Oh, you heard you. We are you too much ever moved on moving on moving on. And I thought it's the opposite of comedy and also shut up bitch. And Thirdly the now now when things like she does right. That's dumb chick way of thinking that guys have adopted, and it's like ideas, you heard black person somehow, and yeah, yeah. Which is a form of racism. I would. Oh, yes. I would argue. I agree. If your that wound up about, yes, if you can't if you don't know where you stand vis-a-vis race. I argue that's racist. Yeah. Jump saying. You should thought about it. You should be clear about it. It should know your liabilities. We'll talk about. Well, I didn't even know she knew where she stood. She just heard black people then van she does raked out. Right. Yes. Awful. But as being of dudes if you wanna get that. But I found these in your bathroom, dude wives. And I just had a weird reaction these yours the dude wipes. No one does pod. Like, drew. The singers found this. I like the way this looks like it. No. We had a nude. I found dude. Wipes and your bathroom. Oh, did we mention dude one? Yeah. No. I just hell I anyway. Yes there things, and they are just exactly like the name suggests you know, flushable, dude. What just occurred to me that women have always had things like this. Yes. With fragrance stuff. I understand they're more into that kind of thing. But I would argue the need is on the dude side. Yeah. And it's weird that we just got to this. Yeah. We have the funk we got the. What shall we say the bulk material and the folds and the hair we as you've schooled me that whole region is like try to pull peanut butter out of shag carpet, if you're trying to clean it. I'm a maze that it took to the twenty first century to get to the dude. Wipe funny story ever is when some people are onto these kind of things early in life. One time Jimmy wiped his ass with the Clorox. Oh, yeah. The stuff used to wipe the sink down. We who left that box in nearby. The toilet. Animal x y. I'm glad it was a funny story Dame in twenty one Indianapolis. Hello. Hello. So I have a question for Dr drew mainly, but I take a lot of caffeine pretty regularly about I don't know four hundred five hundred milligrams a day wondering. So weird. I I listen to talk radio all day and here the host like oh, excuse me. Excuse me, excuse me. And the people just like that actually they push their I'm gonna I'm gonna weather. The storm of the host trying to cut me off I gotten into just putting people on hold. That's my thing. Now. You saying taking caffeine you take. Well. Yeah. Like all my pre-workout has caffeine with what the the powder? It's a like, a whatever your tax. It comes in pill form. And I mean, I've been doing this regularly for like a year. I wonder if there's just sort of a limit on how much caffeine, I should take. We'll carry seems to be a harmless product, right? It does you can panic and you can have a little bit drawl syndrome right headaches that kind of thing obviously, insomnia generalized anxiety, but they're not appear to be a really medically relevant problem. Something called caffeine ISM people that really take too much, and they get an education from it. But that's not you and people are genetically different in response to caffeine. Some people are very resistant to the stimulant. Fact it works by it's it back. It's the Denison system, which kind of backs off the identity, and so the the taking your foot off the brakes in a way. So it just sort of an interesting biology. It's not a direct stimulant like something like amphetamine. Oh, that's interesting. So I I think most people think it's a stimulant. Yeah. It has. Defects? But it does it by taking the foot off the brake not by pushing. Right. So you have some sort of governor. And this just takes it off. This twists out the governor lightens up the governor, but doesn't give you bigger engine. Correct. Say put everything and carting go-cart linga gotta get to wheel somehow. Yeah. But I, but it doesn't hurt you and some people are very unaffected by, but it's good for Muslim using a pre workout makes perfect sense. As improved muscle some minor affect on. I think a million years ago listening to radio once again, I heard Dr Dena Dell the Dell dean Adele, yeah. Doctor dean, Adele used to doing talk don't think so nicest guy ever, but I we have issue with one thing about dean Sooners. Mark guy. Always no not that. He. Health for you. Yeah. Yeah. For. Is an ophthalmologist and mate was talk always talking about general medical issues. He'd never had any relationship with. I could tell by the way talked about why remember him saying Cup of coffee before workout as a good good idea. It is a good thing. So a rowing machine yesterday. Yeah. Like it keeps you knew your house. I seen. Oh, you got to see it. I do I do realize that. It's why drew I want you to speak on this speak on this speak on this subject. Go I'm gonna tease it. But here's what I wanna know that the house it basically came with an elliptical machine. Yeah. That a workout room. I think it's like, I don't know. Like, they're moving to Vancouver something that costs more money ship it there, then it would you know? So the liberals like you stand on the pedal bike thing. Even Frankie thing you move the arms and stuff like that. I'll teases I was riding on it and ten minutes felt like ten days to me. It was like it. Didn't it wasn't that painful though, you could feel it in the quads? But it was like aboard off my I'm so bored with this motion. I hate this motion and again like staring at the clock going. God that's forty seconds in Amari, like ready to go eat something. And but I've insert a forcing myself that do it for twenty minutes or whatever. I got this rowing machine yesterday jumped on it. I was like, oh, I love this. I love this motion and the ten minutes on the rowing machine. Felt nothing. Like the ten minutes. It was like it was like one was p the other was algebra class. It's the same twenty minutes, but one just feels like intolerable and the others where time go, you know, what I mean? Because of the just the motion, you know, what I mean in gauging, whatever muscles what I'm going to tease to you is how real is that like how I'm sitting there rowing on their own machine going. I am using my thighs. Here's my back, and whatever and I have a stronger back than I do. But I'm saying there's something about the physiology of this movement, not that difficulty or the strength or anything that it's just I I were anyone else would get on the elliptical machine and probably find that better than the rowing machine. I want to how that changes from person to person and how you should find. Maybe you're rowing machine of life because it ain't the elliptical for me. But it is the rowing machine. We'll talk about that. I I'll tell you about lifelock produce your risk of becoming a victim of tax scams. Don't log into Bank accounts or unsecured WI fi networks don't prepare and file your tax returns on public computers. If you're using a computer library. I'm not sure how much taxes you plan, but it shift into that. Anyway, remember, I s employers won't Email, you don't click links in emails claiming to be from the IRS, so many ways cybercriminals can take what's yours. Don't let it happen. Lifelock identity theft protection as part of Norton security to help protect against threats to your devices. You can't easily see or fix on your own. There's a problem. There agents will work to fix it writer. It's right now a prevent them theft or cybercrime Andre transactions at all businesses. But lifelock were security can see threats you might miss on your own go to lifelock dot com or call one eight hundred lifelock use promo code Adam for ten percent off your first year that is promo code. Adam lifelock dot com for ten percent off. All right physiology. Chock drew go. Well, you Gary member I did that muscle, fitness jeans. Guys, I talked to them and we're beginning to zero in on specific. Genetics around diet and exercise. And for instance, they said to me to me goes out six days a week. You should be lifting heavy weight small wraps, and I was like, yeah. I know that that's what I like to do. That's what I can't get enough of. And guess what one of their like hundred is because it's the most out of it. Right. So so there are things for some people. It is that sort of slow twitch, endurance kinda musculature which I would argue the the elliptical sort of that. But it's such an unnatural motion that if you're you're not getting any real push out at any many real strengthening sort of movement while with rowing you're getting lots of real you can do an endurance type moosh movement with it, but you can be pushing a little weight, they're both legs and your arms, and that is very different effect on the endorphins system right for some people and a very different sense on the the blood supply to the muscles completely different and feels different and one is. Gratifying, and the other is sort of the it just sort of nothing the S, and so the gratification. That's why I always urge people to find their you have to find the right exercise for you I- Vinnie. I think would agree with us on this because I have three twelve by the way, Dr Dan rear, and Dr John Hutton, those after drew podcast. Yes. And. Vinnie vinnie? I've had conversations about this about, you know, finding the right thing in too many trainers, just get the sort of they get ideologies in their heads. And that's the way you do it. And that's that. And it's just like, it's good. But it's not good for me. And you have to really figure out given individual's physiology to a give them the most Br award for the for the experience. So they keep doing it and be the most benefit from the experience. So well, first and foremost, if they don't wanna do it. Whatever that do it is in life. Yes. Yes. Oh, your lawn or row on rowing machine or ride your liberal anything? You really don't wanna do. You're just going to do less of the up. Now, the best people in the world do twenty percent last ev- it most people do ninety six percent last night or nothing. So this is back to what we were talking about yesterday, which was motivation when people have motivation magically get it done now. Super disciplined people as you said, which is like three percent of the population. We'll do it even when they are super motivated in that direction from a standpoint of reward, they find other kinds of motivation and they discipline themselves into it the ad so funny for me, I'm so balanced oriented that I like literally reward myself like ride the elliptical for ten minutes. And then I can stand on the Bongo ball thing with this cylinder and the double ended thing. And I pay myself back by standing on that thing and balancing for ten minutes. And then I'll go back to all right now, it's not a pay the failure. But the balance thing which some people have no interest in or find it tedious or boring or dangerous for me. It's like oh gimme that give me that ball rewarding. Is that thing called, Gary what is at board or something else board? It's it's not there's a brand name. And it's not the bow sue balls that blue thing with the body. I'm on it. But he's looking it up. Let me just talk about true car bango or Laura takes Gary sixty seconds to look this up. You could also just as quickly go and get an offer cash offer for your car. Just go to truecar from your smartphone or computer, your license plate. Number watcher cars details. Pop up question. Get an actor true cash. Offer me local truecar certified dealer bring your car in the check it out with you ask questions and no surprises. You just leave with your check or trade in your car. That's right. You can use truecar to lock in a real price, including fees accessory for a new or used. It could be a new ri-, but it could be a new or used car than truecar's available for both lock in a real price a true price for an actual vehicle on that truecar certified dealers lot and you'll leave with the new car when you're ready to experience a better way to sell or trade in your car. Check out truecar today there it is bog aboard. Yeah. This was called something else. But the same jail. It's one of those things that looks hard. But it's exceedingly to ride on Hugh Hefner used to do that at the opening of his show. Yeah. Way. Boy after dark. It's a good. I never knew why I guess it seems cool, and I put my son on it. And. I stood behind him. And I kind of said, I got you. Now, put your arms out. Pick a spot on the wall stare at the spot on the wall and kind of go right left. But every time he got a little bit lose his hands with come flying down to grab my hand. And I was saying I got you keep your hands out and save it. You can't save it. If your hands go flying down, you can save if your hands stay out, keep your hands out. I got your hips Amani away from me hip, but soon as you start losing I'll clamp down on. Couldn't reflexively not bring his hands down. Now when I was his age, I would have been like get out away. But if you're there, I know you're there like I trust that so weird too weird wiring right now, how does that work, by the way, what well Lynette is a little tentative in the life department. I have no qualms about anything in that. So he obviously. Got that somewhere. We got it from her. That's who he is or vote. Yeah. And why don't you have that? You're talking about two things. One is fear, which you kind of don't have your your Paris pathetic system is on over. It's not. But it's not because I'm brave. No, dan. It's it's biology. Don't have fear. You just doesn't. Yeah. It's it's quite a bit to turn fear on for you. And. You're kind of have thrill seeking thing kind of. And so that's rewarding. So you have you going, you know, carrot, and stick, you know, both ways view, he's got probably both. He's not thrill seeking we know that right? And he'd has fear easily so go well one time he slept over a friend's house with Al my God. He did hallway was he brave without owl or PD panda. Wow. You back about the whole fear. I did you're right. It must just be thrill seeker he'd literally travelled without a stuffy. Well, so there you go. So they got not Taco Bell material stand up special get at a chassis C H A S S, Y dot com. And thank you in advance for doing it ourselves. You can get it. I tunes as well. Amc role that conver- anything in need dates? A lot of dates up there doing some live stand up around the world around the country. Heather do broS were. World, by the way on podcast one. She's we'd aren't check that one out. What do you got through everything is Dr dot com. The new doctor dark you'll like it up. So till next. I'm over doctors, say Mahala. This is Corolla digital. Pelosi and impeachment. I'm Tim Maguire, the AP news minute house speaker Nancy Pelosi tells the Washington Post President Trump is just not worth it. When it comes to impeachment, even some Democrats clamor to start the proceedings Pelosi tells the posts in lesser, something so compelling and overwhelming and by partisan. I don't think we should go down that path because it divides the country the budget proposal from the White House for the fiscal year starting October. I is a record requests for point seven trillion dollars. The wish list includes more than eight billion dollars for a wall along the border with Mexico as budget committee, chairman Kentucky Democrat, John Yarmuth says Trump's demands for border wall funding could again cost trouble, especially if the budget deadline isn't met going into an election year, president even President Trump wants to shut the government down. And clearly it would be on his head because I don't think it'll be on on. We'll be. What congress does I'm Tim Maguire?

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York figured out that some customers want different levels of contact with other people, so he now has a refrigerated vending machine that features nine levels of revolving shelves stocked with Ross steaks, burgers sausages, pork, chops, chicken and Bacon is that he might also end up stocking with with with some prepared foods like potato salad, Mac and cheese, baked beans and even soup. which is kind of Iran idea? Yeah, I think so, too. In other food news, the newest life hack from Tiktok may or may not work people online. Claiming cereal is way better if you put it in the freezer before you add milk to eat it. Talk You. Users posted videos so a writer. A buzzfeed tried it. She was skeptical, but said it really does make it taste better. Nobody said how long you're supposed to leave it in there, but she did it for an hour, and she said it worked with Cheerios and honey bunches of oats. That means you have to add an hour to your cereal eating process number one. Nobody does that nobody I mean. Cereal is like I just woke up. I'm eating cereal ninety percent of the time. But it makes sense to me that that would work because it would be like you turn them in a little ice cubes, and it would make the milk really cold. I think it would just make it cold. The be the only effect. It has on it right. I guess I have no idea to make more Nancy maybe. Yeah Yeah. I mean. I have these autumn there. Call the Kashi Autumn Wheat. Squares right now, which are like mini wheats. But they autumn wheat, so it makes it seem like you're not eating garbage. These are not frosted mini wheats. Are. We harvested these last fall. In the autumn enjoy. Autumn wheats. But if you put those things in the freezer I, think they would probably tear up a little bit. Break your teeth, yeah, I mean they're kind of brutal as it is I mean it's. It's like eating tumbleweeds I mean it really is like you can just feel it dragging stuff down to the bottom with it, you know. Like Oh this nature scouring pad. Does it satisfy that. Urge that you have because I love cereal, too, but I feel like the healthy cereal. I tried to eat some kind of Kashi cereal back in the day and I forget what it was, but it it was the texture and taste of dog food and I was like. I'm out if it's if it's going to be healthy, I'm on out. The golden crunches will take your teeth. They'll take him right out of your mouth. They are brutal. But. The Autumn we'd is a nice soft wheat pillow. You just let it soak in the milk, a little bit bill and its frosted mini. We you know what I mean, but it's not frosted. It just has like a little bit of hinder sugar. It's one of those things where you trick your brain into getting your fix by like. No, no I'm eating fostered mini wheats, but you're not. You're autumn wheat. A certain cartoon character is about to go hunting without a rifle. The New York Times reports Elmer fudd will not carry a gun in the new looney tunes cartoon show the Warner Brothers. Animation series debuted on Hbo Max May Twenty Seventh Executive! Producer Peter Brown. Guard, says the decision to take away. Elmer's weapon is in response to US gun violence round guard. cartoony violence will remain like dynamite, explosions and bills falling on heads in cannons firing at people at close range. The new series consists of eighty eleven minute episodes. All of them include adapted story lines for today's audiences well. I have to say that. This is definitely one of those instances where what you are trying to do is GonNa Backfire greatly you have just ignited? The debate by doing this. This is not something that everyone's GonNa agree with a very small amount of people think this is necessary. I grew up. Watching these cartoons I know every second of the looney toon cannon, I them all forward backward. I never. Took a double barrel shotgun. And stuck in ducts mouth to see if his bill will go around his head, Fifty Times. You are able to discern. That's a cartoon. And it's all predicated on violence, and it's Hilarious, but it never made me want to drop an anvil on anybody's head. He is a hunter. It's it's a rifle. He's not carrying around a MAC eleven. He doesn't. He's not walking around with an Uzi. It's fifteen and. and. Yeah I mean. Up This is this is one of those classic over corrections. Where all of a sudden you're going to see. Peppy La- pugh on. Trial for sexual assault like He should be. I think you gotTA case there? Should have been action is with peppy love you because that was wrong. Even I knew that as a little kid like this letter, go south. Stop Kissing her. She seems like she doesn't like it. I don't think she likes you. A number of princes, former bandmates are paying tribute to their former bandleader. Prince would have turned sixty two yesterday twenty-seven members led by Drummer Kirk. Johnson posted a cover of the cross online. After getting consensus from fans and social media, the musicians each performed from home, their parts individually with Johnson. Compiling them for a video. The song and video are dedicated to Minneapolis and commemorating his. His birthday also yesterday Prince's estate released a handwritten message, condemning intolerance on social media posted on Instagram, the scanned page at reads nothing more ugly in the whole wide world and intolerance between black, white, red, yellow boy or girl intolerance. The caption read the artist dedicated his life to speaking out against injustice, advocating for black excellence and spreading the message of love for one another. Forecast Today Pretty Nice. Sunny temperatures in the low eighties. It's fifty three a DVD. Ready bombing in the d. e morning show hope. Everybody had a good week and just a good one. The weather was great. Oh, yeah perfect! Wow, amazing weekend! I got that projector going. It's so cool the outdoor thing where you like. Plug your laptop into whether your phone and then it shoots a movie on the screen outside. The coolest things they're great. In midst the pandemic where bandanna fashion is still a thing for those who are not. Venturing out and about in. You know as much as They use to despite the fact that we're in the green face. This is a perfect alternative. I absolutely love. and. Watch that I very cool. Cool one. I understand. Bars were packed. A lot of social distancing enacted in a lot of places on the south side. Some not so much. And same thing with Lawrenceville. I heard that it was pretty elbow to elbow. It's green phase. They're allowed to do it and you know. Some people were upset about that that I saw in my. Social media timelines. But they're not doing anything wrong. I mean your people are not gonNA. Take it upon themselves to be like now remember. Six feet when we get in the bar. If? They're allowed to be at half capacity. People are GonNa go in there, and they're gonNA party and You know we'll see how it goes I'm hopeful that we're not going to have another spike. You you turned US onto Carmelo's and about I mean I am a big Fan. I turn my parents onto it and my parents came over on Saturday and they said. Did you see Carmelo zone the news last night and I said no, and they said it was part of like a reopen coverage, but there was a line. All the way down the block and she was so happy she couldn't believe it. She stay here till all of them are fed that like warm, my heart, but then I saw a couple pictures. A dude sent me like. The first time out with the wife in a while, and he sent me a picture of this outdoor bar. It was jammed shoulder to shoulder. Those is that. A lot of places for restaurants do not just bars. Outdoor I don't know how big of a problem it is. I really don't know. I'm you know hopefully it's not. Carmella had hundred reservations for Friday night. She had one hundred reservations Friday night. That is slam packed. They're. So good I'm. I'm super happy for all the small business owners that wait it out I talked to a buddy of mine. That owns a small business here in Pittsburgh. And I saw yesterday and he said. Yeah, you know I'm glad. I feel relieved. It was unbelievably hard, and he said one of the most frustrating things. I didn't realize this. They pay into a insurance for like having to close temporarily. I can't remember the name of it. It's like literally it's called like a temporary closing, insurance or something like that. And the pandemic dinner fall underneath that. Now the other thing is. that. Corona virus currently falls under personal injury. If somebody goes into your business and then contracts Corona Virus They can sue you right now. So that's a tough position to be in, too, so you ever prove that. Well. If that's. You got it at a specific place. Because you're they call you to say. Hey, are massage therapist. TESTED POSITIVE! You're here on Friday and we want to let you know and then a day later you get it I. Don't know how they prove it. Yeah, but that's. Only to that place and nowhere else. I know I'm just telling you that. This exists I'm with you. I don't know how you prove it. But it's just. We need to protect the small guys right now. You know not the not the big chains or any of that stuff. The small guys really need protection. Because they limped through all of that so hopefully you're able to get out and patronize some businesses this weekend. We got a bunch of take out. You know I'm still not feeling like. I WANNA be inside a restaurant or a bar yet, but no and it was so nice. It was like we had dinner on the porch one night. Link me and the girls. We were just outside all weekend. It was great. Yeah I mean I'm a higher risk person? If I were to get it, I, don't think I think allegheny county is a really good shape, though I'm feeling a lot more comfortable about just going just about anywhere. And again it seems to me like I. Don't know what you guys thought is about this, but it seems to me to be huge. Congregations of people packed in inside is the problem. Outside doesn't seem to be as much of a problem and not a ton of people doesn't seem to be a problem like the surfaces don't seem to be as much of a concern as they were initially. There's no new science on it. That is to say like. Oh, we have done more testing found. You know what it doesn't really live on your groceries. They just don't think that people are getting it that way, so if it is on there, there's not enough of viral load as they keep calling it. which quite frankly is it unflattering term? I'm concerned about the size of your viral load. But they keep saying that you can't catch it because it needs to be a certain amount. that you are exposed to. That enables you to contract and then the other thing I read. was that. High cholesterol plays into it because now. They think there's a cholesterol on your lungs, so if you have a high level of good cholesterol, that's good. But if you have bad high cholesterol, that's bad. So who knows we keep hearing different stuff? We told you not to take advil at the beginning of this now. They think it might save your life. But the coronavirus seems to be ebbed for now here in this part of the country, and of course, the civil rights marches that are going on the protests over the death of George Floyd are really dominating the news man, you know a lot of looked at those marches and thought boy I hope this does not spike. A another Corona virus outbreak. But Most people seem to be wearing masks, but it. It's It's a from that aspect. Things are kind of scary, but another peaceful weekend here in Pittsburgh in terms of the protesting last night. They sat in front of the Liberty Bridge. On the foot of PJ mcardle. COMING DOWN FROM WASHINGTON I don't know if you guys saw all of those I I did. I saw some of the pictures pretty powerful, walking under the incline and stuff Yeah, that was that was. That was powerful stuff. We'll get a little bit more. What went down this weekend coming up vowel keep? Filling in on the news tim? Benz filling in for Mike pursued to. With your sports at the bottom of the hour. Also we'RE GONNA talk to post gazette journalist Alexis Johnson. She was all over the news nationally this weekend. She was while not suspended, but she was taken off of the beat for reporting on the protests for the post gazette because of a tweet she made. A joke about the Kenny Chesney concerts. That in turn sparked the PG management to completely just cell phone and shoot themselves in the foot, overreacting and making things worse, they got to the point where they had no coverage on protesting going on yesterday. The photographers from the Post Gazette were tweeting out. Yeah, I'm going to take pictures of bees today while the protests were going on in the city, paper was covering it. Alexis it and Michael Michael Santiago were both on. MSNBC. I believe yesterday talking about this. This is something that is emblematic. What's happening in newsrooms around the country, which is really the interesting thing here? The idea that both sides ISM. Has Gone Out of control and that there is. In. A truth that is not arbitrary. There's no both sides of them in sports. You know the teams record you're not arguing about. Who won the game? The result is there, but truth seems to have become more ambiguous and That's kind of what Scott us in this situation now. New York Times Washington Post Philadelphia Inquirer Pittsburgh Post Gazette all experiencing the same time fascinating going on in newsrooms across the country, so we'll talk with Alexis. and she has really been It's been unbelievable the way that the the PG news guild. Has, gotten behind her. Every member of the guild. retweeted her tweet. They put that out the same tweet the one that got her you know pulled off the coverage. Some pretty cool support. Their journey separate ways kicks things off for us this morning. Alexis will be on a seven forty five. Here's Steve Perry in a boys and or in store. Sports. Be More show Mike pursued today. Here's Tim bands with your sports DVD. Well! Here's some good news. The penguins go back to work on the ice tomorrow at the UP, EMC lemieux sports complex up in cranberry. Accordance with NHL plans all players and select staff admitted inside of silty. We'll be tested for Kobe. Prior to participation pre participation medical evaluations for players test negative will be held today at the Sports Complex team previously announced one penguin did test positive for coronavirus. Becoming last week. The penguins procedures for players returned to the ice include recommendations to the Chelsea was additional safety measures conducive to the team facility. Players will train in groups of sticks. They must remain socially distant during both on. And off by sessions, so think of a bad penalty kill being socially distant. That's what you've gotta with for the time being. Things. Like the players lounge will be barred. Also common areas at the complex will be prohibited. The practices are close to fans in media. In fact, if any media members are even seen on the premises or in the entire town of cranberry. They'll be chased away by murder. Hornets those specifically mentioned in the press release. If you're media, the member it up. And you live in cranberry. You actually have to move. You're not even allowed to live in town and. They're actually they're just GONNA get all their minor leaguers to line up just fire. Just slap shots at you if you come anywhere nearby. Right exactly those people that were threatening to dress up in their hockey gear and stand outside the lemieux statue the first day of the protest, those people will now be employed by the penguins to keep the media away from the front door. In cranberry. Really, who threatened to put on hockey gear in guard the stats yeah yeah. On Twitter Yeah I noticed that on twitter there was something. I can't remember who had it was maybe Sean gentilly from the athletic said. That there was something about people's, and they're gonNA. Go in hockey gear and stand outside the lemieux statue for anybody came back with another run with the hammer and sickle at any point with the spray. Out Saturday was the anniversary of the Penguins Victory Parade after the second Stanley Cup series win over the Chicago Blackhawks. The team tweeted out several flashback videos including this one from Scotty Bowman, talking about the previous codes Badger Bob Johnson, who won the nineteen ninety-one Cup against the Minnesota North Stars. The culture of the penguins. We'll always be Bob Jones. and. Bob Johnson! Less than two years ago. Made a statement that he would bring banners to Pittsburgh for hockey. Last year three banners that are hanging in the civic arena. and. He didn't tell anybody except the players. Not The stop it just the three. Now, you have sick. Thanks Bob Johnson's vision. All of this today as possible. What he's talking about bann