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Mac OS Ken: 10.14.2020

Mac OS Ken

25:44 min | 4 months ago

Mac OS Ken: 10.14.2020

"Is, Mac Os Ken meet pumpad many five G. Hits the IPHONE line and what's not in various boxes. It's Wednesday the Fourteenth Tober twenty twenty. I, Ken Ray and this is news from Mac. Os. Ken brought to you by yours truly and sponsored by simply simplisafe the right way to protect your home. Get a free HD camera when you sign up now at simplisafe dot com slash Mac os Cam. This show is also sponsored by better health online counseling. It's there for you. When the pandemic drove most of US inside earlier this year created a lot of disruption. A lot of people had to learn new ways to do work and do school. Such was not the case for better help. They were already ready to match people with licensed professional counselors in ways both secure and comfortable. You mean through the better help APPS for your computer tablet smartphone. Text audio video. Whatever way is most comfortable for you As for what you work on Well that's up to you. Whether what's bothering you is the Hashtag new normal her stuff you've been carrying around for years. Better help is waiting. Want to try it out. As a listener, you'll get ten percent off your first month by visiting better help dot com slash Moco West Ken. Join over one million people taking charge of their mental health. Again that is better help H. E. L. P.. BETTER HELP DOT COM SLASH MAC west Ken. One more time. It's better help dot com slash Mecca. West Ken. And a big thanks to better help for sponsoring today's show. Few huge surprises at apple's high speed event though. There were some unexpected bits. Did. Anybody. See The verizon thing coming? Did we have any idea what? MAG SAFE WAS GONNA turn out to be. There we'll get to those. Most of today's presentation is drawn from a couple of viewings of the Apple Park presentation. We'll also pull from the usual suspects doing their usual bang-up jobs. Tuesday's high-speed event presentation started with Apple CEO Tim Cook welcoming viewers back to Apple Park than throwing the presentation almost immediately to others to give the INS and outs of home pod. Many. Bob Board richer's apple VP worldwide product marketing listed the company's desires for home pod. Wanting. The device to have amazing sound to act as an intelligent assistant to serve as a smart home hub all while protecting the privacy and security of the user. This, they say they do in a smaller spherical unit that costs less than one third of the original home pods original asking price. On the amazing sound side company bragged on the devices ro properties as well as how well it plays with others. Others being other apple devices. Users can apparently sink home pod many's either a stereo pairs or to play the same audio throughout the home. The. Inclusion of apples you one processor makes handoff easier to handle according to the company. For what it'll play. Well, there's the usual stuff apple music, apple podcasts, iheartradio radio DOT COM tuned in with Pandora and Amazon music on the way in the coming months. As for the smart part Home Pod, many will handle or interact with messages. Calendar phone calls maps music because. The. Weather reminders and find my feature. There was also an interesting demo where users ask for personal updates and got them. personalized. So he you know multiple voice recognition is key. Now. One new feature mentioned and de Mode was intercom. This is basically what it sounds like. You tell home pod to deliver a message to everybody and the various apple devices in the house including other home pods, iphones, apple watches air pods, and even carplay units play or display the message. I have heard entercom will work with the original home pods as well though not seeing that confirmed. Addressing. It's smart home hub nece home pod many integrates with apple's home APP that lets control home connected accessories said scenes and stuff like that. Covering User Privacy Apple, says no word spoken to Home Pod, leave your home until you touch home pod many or say he. S I are. So, yes, it is always listening but what it here's goes nowhere until you give it the command. Request. A home pot or not associated with apple ID. You choose whether recordings are saved by apple personal requests only work when the associated iphone is home with you. And communications with smart home accessories used strong encryption according to the company. Now I, said earlier that the unit is spiritual. If you've seen a home pod, there is no mistaking what this thing is. Same sort of light up display on the top same mesh wrapping it's roundedness and the same white and space grey options as the original home pod. Coming soon to flat surface near you. Orders for home pod many began on the sixth of November unit, start, shipping the week of the sixteenth of November. Not Price, to beat an echo but not a device that will break the bank. Home Pod many will sell. For, Ninety, nine bucks. Okay. I pretend to hear you say but I'm worried about breaking my home pause many. Not sure why but better to be safe in your case. To that end apple care plus we'll be available for home pod. Many. A piece from macrumors says, that will run buyers fifteen bucks. When Tim Cook was back on camera, he took a moment to Brag on iphones past noting the iphone eleven has been the number one smartphone in the world since its launch and that I phone has led the industry in customer satisfaction every year since it's Get ready to hate all of them as the iphone twelve line makes the scene bringing with it five G. Connectivity. Which one? All of them. Had Been Rumored Apple announced four iphone phone twelve models and has had also been rumored. Each can support five G.. Cook says, five G. Brings A new level of performance for downloads UPLOADS, higher quality video streaming, more responsive gaming, real time interactivity, and more. The CEO says five Jia superfast, which he actually pitched as a security feature speeds are so good. He says you'll be less tempted to sign on the public WIFI limiting exposure to the dangers that lurk there. Every decade brings new technology that provides a step change in what we can do with iphone said Cook. Today. A new era begins for iphone. Today we're bringing by G. to phone. Then began the verizon commercial. Hans Fest Berg Chairman and CEO. Verizon took to the stage talk about big reds five G. offering. Verizon's by ultra wideband with large quantities of millimeter wave access will be live and sixty cities across the US by the end of this year. In ideal conditions, Best Burg says the carriers seen four gigabits down and two hundred megabits up. The four gigabits is kind of funny own Antonio Guy says an ideal conditions. Well it doesn't sound like you're getting four GIGA beds but we'll get, him. The other thing best Burger announced was flipping the switch on Verizon's extensive five gene nationwide network. That apparently went live yesterday. Boy would I like to know the terms of the deal worked out between, that bill and Verizon? Emphasis on particular carrier. I did not see coming. Now I said iphone twelve comes in four models here the rumor mill rang true. The phones are iphone twelve iphone twelve many iphone twelve pro and iphone twelve pro, Max. Starting with iphone twelve, remember the squared off edges of iphone Four. The new design returns us to that. Squared edges that meet flush with the devices front and back glass the front classes something special though. Working with corning delay, this display is protected by what apple. Calls Ceramic. Shield. It is said by the company to be tougher than any other smartphone class with four times better dropped performance than iphone eleven. The display it's protecting is apple custom Ole ed providing truer blacks, better contrast and two times the pixels iphone eleven or four, hundred, sixty pixels per inch. While that displays the same six point one inches iphone eleven, apple shrank the surrounding enough to make iphone. Eleven percent than her fifteen percent smaller and sixteen percent lighter than iphone. Eleven Choice of colors is not huge but they are pretty. With options and black. White Product Red Green. And blue that. Does things for me. I shouldn't talk about in mixed company. The candy coating is nice. Let's talk about. It's Chewy. Chocolate center starting with the phones five Genus Apple says, iphone twelve has the most five G. bands of any smartphone for better performance in more places. Additionally the company's silicon, the software approach. Let's apple make the best use of available five G. including choosing to not use five. G.. It sounds like iphone defaults to lt e tapping into five G. when it's both necessary and available. That is great for power consumption according to the company. Apples tested the new phones on over one hundred carriers and over thirty regions. In ideal conditions iphone twelve gets up to three point five gigabits on. which is what makes the Brian Bragging about four gigabytes down kind of funny yesterday. It does support millimeter wave those so. got that going for it. As, for the phones on workings iphone twelve powered by apple's a fourteen bionic, the first phone powered by the five nanometer processor technology packing eleven point eight billion transistors roughly forty percent more than eight thirteen. A six core CPU that's up to fifty percent faster than last year's phone and a four core GPU graphics that are up to fifty percent faster than last year's model. Machine learning also gets a boost iphone, twelve packs of sixteen coordinator and Gen that's up to eighty percent faster than iphone eleven capable of eleven, trillion operations per second. Company bragged on Games claiming console quality for the phone. To Demonstrate and executive from riot games showed off League of legends wild rift a mobile, only game due out later this year. Well phone twelve is not the phone photographers would choose. There's plenty of improvement and it's cameras. Apple says the phone has a twelve megapixel ultra wide camera and twelve megapixel wide camera. It said the sport, the fastest aperture yet it also features a seven element lens that apple says offers twenty-seven percent improvement in low light performance. Mag Save is an internal thing. Rather than a name for a connector is in days of old MAG. Safe today is a collection of magnets and charging elements that help line up the phone for proper charging. When it's not charging those magnets go to work holding on cases and wallets and third party stuff. Apple expects a thriving ecosystem of third party doodads take advantage of the newly introduced MAG. Safe. Ness. Mag Safety. Safe thing. Anyway. It's a thing built into iphone twelve. Every model in the line. Now's probably phone twelve many. Except for the size, you can take everything I've said so far about iphone twelve and play it back. iphone twelve many has the same specs as iphone twelve though in a slightly smaller size. The company says the mini is smaller and lighter than four point seven inch models like iphone eight but with a bigger five point four inch display. Apple says, this one is the smallest thinnest and lightest five G. phone. In the world. Talking about last night with Frederik, Van Johnson, and a few other folks on Chuck joiners Mac. Voices. We came to the conclusion that the pro phones for two groups, people who wanna spend as much money as they can afford. Or people who really care about the camera. There's nothing wrong with the camera functionality and the iphone twelve or iphone twelve many. Unless you count they're not being as high end as the camera on the high end. No I'm not a high end photo guy. So there was a lot set around iphone twelve pro, an iphone twelve pro Max that escapes me. The camera on iphone twelve pro boxes said by apple to have a sixty five millimeter focal length from fifty two millimeter focal length and last year's counterpart. It's got five times optical zoom range and the set to support an eighty seven percent improvement in low light versus last year's top of the pro line. I do know enough to be impressed by one thing. The pro line can shoot an apple pro raw. or it will be able to with a software update. Later, this year photographers will also be able to edit those images. Directly, in the photos APP. The pros can also handle. HD are video recording catching seven hundred million colors. Sixty Times, the number they could capture before. Apple, said they also sport the first smartphone camera that'll record in dolby vision hd are. And just like the apple pro raw functionality users will be able to edit the dobie vision HDR video in the photos APP. Finally the light are rumors were finely true the twelve pro and twelve pro Mac speech or a world facing light detection and ranging scanner. That let folks scan and modeled their surroundings. Apples Demos showed that put to use for placing objects in an augmented reality environment performing improved autofocus and low light and improving camera that perception in low light for night moat. Working our way out of these phones, Greg, Joswiak, apple's newly minted senior. VP Worldwide Marketing talked about a few of the pro lines features. It's got mad safe. It's got ceramic shield. It's got a Super Ratna FDR display. As for sizes iphone twelve pro gets bumped from five point eight inch display display size of six point one inches the pro Max meanwhile goes six point five inch display to a display size of six point seven. All of it is bound by the same squared off edges as iphone twelve, the with a couple of distinctions. I. The outer band is stainless steel on the pro line and second the colors are a bit more refined. Coming in silver graphite a gold that looks seriously golden. And the Pacific. Blue that doesn't do as much for me as the blue on the IPHONE twelve. Not that I'd turn it down. If cost is your primary concern. Here is what you're looking at across the whole line of iphones. iphone se. Start Three, hundred, ninety, nine dollars iphone ten are starts at four ninety, nine iphone eleven starts at five, ninety, nine iphone many starts at hundred ninety, nine dollars iphone twelve starts at seven ninety, nine, iphone twelve pro starts at nine, ninety nine. An iphone Pro Max starts at one, thousand, ninety, nine dollars. For the new phones though those prices are only Kinda SORTA true. Peace, from the Mac Observer says iphone twelve many an iphone twelve do start at six, ninety, nine and seven, ninety nine if you buy them as a t and T or verizon phones if you buy one is either a sprint or t mobile phone or as an unlocked phone. The starting prices are seven, twenty, nine, and eight, twenty nine. With no indication as to why. While it's great that ceramic shield means less of a chance of broken display. The chance is still there. If that bugs, you apple care pluses there for all of them. macrumors says, two years of coverage will run one, hundred, forty, nine dollars for iphone and twelve mini. Adding loss or theft protection will up that price to to nineteen buyers can get ongoing coverage for seven, ninety, nine per month or eleven dollars and forty nine cents with loss and theft added. As for the higher end phones, the pizzas, two years of Apple Care Plus will cost one, nine, thousand, nine or nine dollars ninety nine cents per month. Theft. And loss coverage bumps that price to two, hundred, sixty, nine dollars or thirteen dollars and forty nine cents per month. Ongoing. As for availability, apple is starting in the middle. And working out. Would owners can order iphone twelve and iphone twelve pro this Friday the sixteenth. October. They'll be delivered the following Friday the twenty third. If you're targeting either end of the range. iphone twelve, many an iphone twelve pro Max will go up for order on the sixth of November. Delivery should hit the following Friday the thirteenth of November. Barring incident which I have to say because. Friday the thirteenth. Coming up, we will talk about something that is not in the various iphone boxes. Some things that is, but I a word from simplisafe the right way to protect your home. One of the things that makes simply safe the right way. Is the control that it gives you. You choose the setup that's right for you and you install it yourself. For me placing the sensors and key pad. Couldn't have been simpler just peel and stick the centers exactly where you need them. No technician required. At the other end professional monitoring keeps watch day and night ready the sun police fire or medical help if there's an emergency. Of course homes come in all shapes and sizes the perfect system for me may not be the perfect system for you. Again, you take control picking from one of their ready made packages or building the package. That's right for you. With monitoring starting at fifteen bucks a month. All. That plus free shipping free returns. And even a sixty day money back guarantee. Head to simplisafe dot com slash Moco West Ken and get a free hd camera four Mac os Ken listeners. That's S. I m. p. l. i.. SIMPLISAFE DOT. com slash. Mac Os Ken to make sure they know you heard about it here? SIMPLY SAFE DOT com slash Monaco West can. And a big thanks to simply safe for sponsoring today's show. We'll wrap the day with what you don't get with the newly announced bones no ear pods and no charging adapter. A lot of people like the part in the presentation when they introduced iphone twelve many. They did a of James Bond thing opening a steel briefcase to reveal a smaller steel briefcase opening that one to reveal yet another smaller steel briefcase before finally revealing the relatively small phone. For me though the best part was when Lisa Jackson apples. Environment Policy and social initiatives said no air pods and no power adapter. I didn't like it because she was saying no. I liked it because she was saying it standing on the roof of Apple Park. By herself. I WanNa, do that. Anyway. She's spun the lack of accessories a green thing. First of all giving people stop, they may not need eliminates waste. According to Jackson and also let's apple reduce the size of the boxes used to ship the phones. Thing can get more of those boxes on a pallet meaning fewer pallets needed for shipping meaning viewership men's meaning a serious reduction in carbon emissions according to Jackson. Says the whole of the reduction cuts over two million metric tons of carbon emissions a year the equivalent of taking four hundred, fifty, thousand cars off the road annually. Of that makes you mad. There is still a cord for which you may have no use in the box. Each new phone will ship with a USB. Cable Great. If you've got a relatively recent MAC laptop. If you need one of the old peripherals though other no longer included getting one is not as expensive as it was last week. Apple insider says, apple has not ten dollars off the price of ear pods bring them from twenty nine to nineteen bucks. Additionally the says a new twenty-one, USB sea wall charger, which stands already replacement for the eighteen watt charger that came with the iphone eleven. Models receives the same price reduction to sell for nineteen bucks. Wanted to see the Whiz Bang for yourself the James Bond Mini intro Lisa Jackson up on the roof. The whole event is available to watch. Now, you can catch it on youtube you can catch on apple's events page, and of course, it is available as video podcast as well. Coming up in a few minutes. I forgot to call anybody to be on the show with me today. So it's just me. RUMINATING ON TUESDAYS EVENT I'll tell you about a thing that I've been doing to. Give it a listen in a few minutes wherever you get podcasts or on my youtube channel. Youtube Dot. com? Slash Ken Ray. Mac Os can. Brought to you by me. and. Sponsored by better help get ten percent off your first month at better health dot com slash Mac os can. 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Making The Climate Movement Anti-Racist w/ Dr. Robert Bullard

Climate 2020

28:12 min | 8 months ago

Making The Climate Movement Anti-Racist w/ Dr. Robert Bullard

"Dr Bob Bullard is a sociologist prolific writer in environmental justice activists. He came of age during a moment of sweeping change in America I came out of the sixties in the civil rights, movement and young activists. You know fearless termine surely before Dr. Bullard turned eighteen. In nineteen, sixty four congress passed the civil rights at the law that ended segregation racial equity became his life's work in and through his research decades later, he exposed the ways that minorities bear the burden of pollution. Started working on environmental racism before it was A. Concept that was. I guess steeped in the DNA of the country racist today, anger over racism and policing is energized. The black lives matter movement. Public opinion is shifting. It feels like an historical parallel to the sixties, but bullard says this time around things are different when you look at you, know the sixties and you see. The, most cases, it was Likable out there with with whites. And in many cases, it was sprinkling a life. People out there, and this seems different. You look at the images rolling across the screen. and you see that you. You have young people. You have old people. You have in a generation of folks of all colors and sizes than and whatever saying a. we need to do something about race. Oh injustice! His observation is backed up by polls that say more Americans than ever believe racism is a big problem and pretty much. Every major climate group is joining the movement in solidarity, saying that their goals aligned with the goals of the protesters blurred sees. This is a positive step. We're talking about climate. We also talked about. Climate is racial justice. Climate is health. Climate is economic justice so the justice. Justice part in the part. Those things have to be front and center, not a footnote, but sympathetic politicians and Enviro groups lineup in support. He wants to know. What are they going to do about it? All of our groups got statements now everywhere you look. Everybody got a statement on. Racial Justice and what we say is racial justice starts at home so the Biden campaign and the Biden. Team and hopefully it will be a transition team will need to live up to this whole idea of of inclusion, an infusion of that transition with racial justice. That's the kind of leadership that I would like to see in the white. House, that can inspire motivate and get people working together. This is climate, twenty twenty, a podcast about climate change and the twenty twenty election. I'm David Gelber of the Climate Media Company the Years Project and I'm Jeff. Nest, but I run climate nexus, a climate communications group coming up how fighting racism is inextricably tied to fighting climate change and cleaning up the environment. We spoke with Dr. Bob Board about whether the momentum of black lives, matter will breathe new life into the Environmental Justice Movement, plus how President Biden could put supportive words into action. But I climate. Twenty twenty is brought to you by Exelon the largest generator of zero carbon electricity in the US. Excellent stance with it's more than ten million customers who believe confronting climate change is essential to the health and prosperity of all communities learn more at Exelon Corp Dot Com. So Jeff. Dr Bullet is lived through the civil rights movement, and he also ushered in the birth of the American. Environmental Justice, Movement Yeah, he's, he's known as the father of environmental justice, because of all the deep research did in the nineteen seventies where he highlighted the birds of pollution on black communities. His work continued in in every decade since so when the corona virus hit, he was one of the loudest voices calling out the links between air, pollution, systemic racism and Cova deaths. He's a sociologist and he's also the author of eighteen books on ecological racism. And he has also recently helped relaunch the national black environmental justice network after a fourteen year hiatus. Dr. Berlet is based in Houston. That's George. Floyd's funeral took place. I asked him what it's like being in Houston now while Histon is. The center of the universe right now, and it's ground zero for issues around racial justice and. Joyce four Lords. Homecoming. Journal in the memorial in. Demonstrations before that you know it's, it's You cannot be touched by it by all the things that are going on the fact that Houston hot. It's always been hot nine five degrees ninety percent humidity. People are out there. Making their voices heard the corona virus right now is still rising in Texas, still rising in Houston. And the idea that. People are are making some choices as saying that these things happened right now, and there's a sense of urgency in young people. You know old people, black people white people. Hispanics Latinos are out trying to make their voices heard in many cases voices that have been just drowned out I've been interested in how you initially got into this whole issue of of equal racism and I I saw that you started in Houston and and at least early on your career, you were focused on the citing of of garbage disposal. Places sites. In Houston and there was a hood that you involved in a in a fight about called Northwood matter. Can you tell me about Northwood Manor well? My introduction to. Issue of. Laced in garbage in landfills and race and racial disparities. Was accidental. Worked at Texas, on university is a sociologist and my life attorney. In one day she came home and said Bob just sued the state of Texas. And I said why she said Yeah I sued them. Because the state of Texas grand per ranting a permit to this continent that wants to locate this sanitary landfill in the middle of this flag, middle class, suburban community of homeowners and I took the case. She said I took the case and. I need somebody to. Help me. to collect the information to find a walled landfills are in Houston, and so what we found was five out of five with the CD landfills. Six out of eight of the city on incinerators in five four out three out of of the privately owned landfills located in black neighborhoods that eighty two percent of all the ways dumped in Houston from the thirties number until nine, hundred, seventy, eight were in black neighborhoods, even blacksmith only twenty five into population. Tells tells how came out what happened well. We had the data we had. We had the maps in. We had the charm. We had the facts, but what having a facts is not enough. To to win in court, we have to prove intent. Even have an overwhelming data that I. did I told you we in court. Deductible I have to say I am profoundly struck by what you just said that you were unable to to prove intent. Despite the fact that? These garbage sites were located within thirteen hundred feet of the school playground. That's that's shocking to me is shocking and it's so unfair that you have to. The victims have to prove somehow that the perpetrator is doing it on purpose, and and the the the outcome of that case when we lost so impelling to me that even when you have the facts, facts are not enough and so. That's when I went on this. This care went on this mission. My thing is is. Is Houston just isolated incident this outline? That's when I started looking at a the less smelters in Dallas all the let's Nelson. Data's located black neighborhoods start looking across Louisiana Cancer Alley for those concentration of petrochemical plants are living closest who's been impact like people when all the way across the Alabama to find the the nation's largest hazardous waste landfill located in Alabama black belt in a town. That's ninety five percent black in a county that seventy five percent. MSA, well, you know this is doing a time when I was writing. Dumping in Dixie book eventually came out that research you had you. The the factory that blew up that Union Carbide plant that blew up. The place the prototype for the Union Carbide plant was in institute, West Virginia a little black town where this chemical plant union, Carbide plant, the only place in the country that manufactured that chemical mental isocyanate was located in institute, so the idea that this was not just an isolated Houston's not an isolated incident. This was a pattern that needed to be documented in. That's how dumping. In dixie. came up in nineteen ninety. So so you. You found in your research. Going back, you know thirty years thirty forty years that there was an over representation of hazardous sites in black neighborhoods compared to white neighborhoods. And and what was the doing the residence of those neighborhoods well, if you look at Wealth. middle-income wealth most as it is embedded in homeownership. Any few are segregated. In terms of of black people in this country, and if and if you, your neighborhood is inundated with Lucien, you're losing your health. Because of pollution US losing your wealth, because of your property is not being able to appreciate you. Are you have a double whammy? That's impacting you at you. That's GONNA. Keep you in a lower economic strata. Even when you own homes, your property is not appreciated, so you're theft of health and the death of wealth, and that is a systemic. That's what we're dealing with right now. The the Houston study was forty years ago up. Again Dixie was thirty years ago. Fast forward to twenty twenty. We'll deal with the same. Trying to unravel and dismantle systemic racism. What sort of anticipated my next question I mean. How are things different now if it all different in terms of the the location of these hazardous sites and Health perils that we that you've documented for for thirty forty years by now. How different is it now? It's different, but it's the same you know. the Nineteen eighty-seven United Church of Christ toxic waste ray study showed that race was the most potent factor determine where has its way soon located across the country. Colleagues now we updated as study twenty years later in two thousand seven. Two thousand seven fifty six percent of all the residents live within a two mile radius of a hazardous waste, hazardous waste facility of people of it, and if you look at two more facilities, that number jumped to. Will jump to sixty nine percent. So things have gotten better, but in some cases, things have gotten worse. In eighty seven? About thirty five percent of the people living around these houses. Were people color. And if you look at you know when twenty years later you talking almost seventy percent, the reason why those numbers job is that full white people can move away from these facilities whereas Middle Income African Americans. Other people call stop because of what Sabre Gatien in housing discrimination. This is the pattern again. If you look at redlining, that occurred in the thirties talking in the nineteen thirties. The, impacts of that in the effects of redlining, showing up in terms of urban heat islands, the areas that are hottest in cities right now are the areas that experienced redlining. redlining also is now showing up in terms of areas as being hit the hardest by the corona avars overlay those same maps, so systemic racism is doing a lot of things to a lot of people and has been doing that over. One hundred one years sixteen nineteen Dr Buller did did any of the folks in the civil rights movement back then to you well, you know this is. This isn't great, they're. They're dumping garbage in our neighborhoods, but this isn't really the main fight. The main fight is about civil rights. It's about the vote. Did you get any kind of feedback like that? From from other black leaders in town? Well, we got. We got some support from some. Of Black wanted officials that we got support from was young. Justice of the peace, African American Justice Isa. He's a congressman from now green. We went to the N. double ACP. We went to the environmental groups and environmental groups base Lewis said well, you know eighty two percent garbage is dumped in black neighborhoods where the got garbage disposal to go now this is green allies now but back then. They basically saw wrong when we went to. Civil rights organizations invasive said we don't work on environment. We work on housing mission in voting education. Etc. it took almost. You know twenty years to have that convergence of civil rights in environmental environmental issues, but what we must remember in nineteen, sixty eight. Ten years before being. A Martin Luther King went to Memphis Tennessee. On a Nevada justice issue, striking garbage workers is just somehow. It didn't get foot on the radar. Dr Bull You. Raise the corona virus. Tell us a little bit about what racism has to do with Corona virus and the fact that blacks have been disproportionately. Affected, by are in fact, does racism anti anything to do with black being disproportionately affected by the coronavirus? Well, the Chorale Vars is is like a heat seeking missile. Zeroing in on the most vulnerable population and when it hits. It's like a death bomb. Because of the target that is seeking is seeking vulnerability, and because of structural and systemic racism. The reason why? African Americans in other people call have so many underlying. Health conditions is it has to do with structural stroke that so clinic while has do it racism. There's a whole field all social determinants of health. You tell me a zip code I can tell you I'll health your zip code still the best predict of health and wellbeing so when those numbers started coming out. In terms of the differential incidents of of WHO's getting sick and dying for those who work on environmental justice, those numbers are not surprising surprising. If we look at for example, asthma rates, asthma has been a been a epidemic in the black community for decades. African, American children, ten times more likely to die from asthma and white children I'm talking free. It I'm not talking something that is happening because. When you look at you, know a a respiratory illnesses you look at diabetes. Obesity, look at all those park parking heart disease. And kidney disease, those are the underlying conditions. That's the CO morbidity that's making those populations very vulnerable and then, and is also mixed vulnerable. If we just wipe away cold, it and just talk about health disparities. Environmental conditions free eight those vulnerabilities for for these elevated. Illnesses and deaths. That's like eighty five percent of Americans feel like we're living in a time of chaos right now. I! Mean it's extraordinary. Let's talk about the national level just for just for a second. We know how I. Feel free to weigh in on President Trump and I. I'm more interested on your views about Joe Biden when it comes to talking about race and more specifically about climate justice. How do you see that? Go I mean. What do you think of Joe Biden? How he's talking about race this moment in time specifically climate justice how he's reacting to the climate issue, I think. Biden will have to address issues of systemic racism and. Environmental Justice and Climate Justice in criminal justice. All of those things that are are now swelling up in the massive movements around this we talk about climate change. Climate change has to be within parts per million in greenhouse gases. Anybody who's going to put it in that context, the science is solid, but the policy has to follow the science, and we talk about these communities that are on the front line that co that are experiencing climate. Change Right now. We're not talking twenty years from now, not talking thirty years from now. We're talking right now, so the policy that that will come out of of A. Team! We are pressing that those policies address equity issues, and we cannot just have the green groups, and in the white environmentals, speaking for us in the US, that I'm talking about the people of Color in the communities and in front line communities that that has experienced the issues of climate issues of economic injustice and the racial injustice end the injustice in the criminal justice, as we have to have those voices in those rooms at those tables, so that so that so that people can speak for themselves in Nineteen ninety-one, we had the first national people of Color Environmental Leadership summit, and we developed seventeen principles of Environmental Justice and the core principle that really. brings a doll home is that people must speak for themselves, and those lower most impacted must be in a room to speak for themselves and have the capacity and resources to make that voice is heard now that to me is a simple argument, and for those of us who work on justice is a recipe for victory is a recipe for victory. We have to remember the Environmental Protection Agency was created on the Republicans on the Richard Nixon. When we when we make those policies and provide those cabinet positions that we put the right people in new. We ended regionally administrators. We have to make sure that they are diverse reflecting America. So. I just. I'm going to predict that I believe you're going to get that. Call from Joe Biden I'm just going to stay there right now. You're going to get that call so I hope you're prepared when you. When you do have that call, are you gonNA I? Mean I know you're following the green new deal. Groups are green new deal at line groups. The sunrise movements been out front on that do and I assume that you you like the messaging that around racial justice and the Green India right I mean that's that's going to be part of your message to Joe Biden. When you when you do, get that chance to talk to him. Yes, If I got that call, it would be basically putting the meat on the bones of the green new deal infusing the racial justice across economic justice health justice. You talk about climate, just all of the things that we're talking about because it's connected, not written eighteen books on a whole lot of stuff. Is Just it's just one book, but don't tell anybody I mean and the key glue that holds all that together is fairness. Justice in equity are written books on transportation housing. Land use you start naming Allah. It's one book, and and so the idea is to the word for the day. Is Intersex analogy out things? Connect in as a sociologist you know. We're good at connecting dots and I tell people you know I'm sociologist, but I don't do dead white man sociology I do what's Scientifically Call Kick Ass Theology You, do you? Do you sociology work? And then you work with communities to assist and support in if they need us with this and support we do that. We don't lead them. We don't tell we don't tell them what to do with when they want us to assist and support, we do that and that's the role of a kick ass, though CIALIS. In everybody's not built for that. but those who are built for we welcome into our full you back in nineteen, seventy eight. There was just I could count the folks on one hand that was doing this. And have a couple of fingers leftover, but that lots of folks doing it now, thank God. So Dr Bullet Let me present two possible paths for you. I would like to comment on both of them. Path one is. President trump is reelected so these issues of Environmental Justice Racial Justice Education Justice Criminal Reform Justice, those are probably GonNa have to be dealt with at the local level at the mayor level, sometimes the governor's levels at the business level because we're not gonNA, see National Leadership I mean. Let's just be real about this. That's path one path to is Joe Biden's elected, and then there is a pretty much a free for all in terms of which issues you're going to deal with. He's or his administration is going to deal with in that first six months and I'm climate is going to be one of those big topics hot, so assess those to pass if you would. If you wouldn't mind for us, let me just say this. Lessons from the civil rights movement in coming out of the environmental justice and coming at it from a Justice Equity Perspective. It does matter who's in the White House. It does matter who's in the governor's office is does matter WHO's. The mayor. But the fact that no matter who's in offices. The Movement for Justice Must Continue. And that we will not bake our our self determination in our fight for justice based on one person elected to office, and that if we and I'll speak as a black person as a black man, I been black most of my life. That if we. Had counted on. Having a person being in a Position. To make a change or the president to make a change mayor, a Blackhawk would still be picking cotton in Alabama, so we have to gauge our work. In our motivation in our commitment, no matter. What officeholder! Is there. The WHO's on the city council and who's in the mayor's office and WHO's on the board of? County Board of supervisors. In, the legislature is just as important as who is in the White House. When you talk about some of the changes that need to be made at the local level, and so that's the. That's the I guess the the plan that those of us who have been on this earth long enough to know that we can't have a four year plan. We need a thirty a plan. In some cases we need a fifty year plan. Because if we just planned for two years four years. We am. This is not a sprint marathon, and so we had to plan for marathon. We have the plan running twenty six point two miles. In it's a marathon. Really actually you run twenty six point two miles, and then you pass the baton to the next generation to run that twenty six point two. We know there's no such thing as America on relay. What is when we fight for Justice Dr Bull you've spent you spent most of your professional life working on this issue in you are justifiably thought of as the father of the environmental. Justice Movement. Really, appreciate your taking the time to talk to Jeff and Media Day. Oh my pleasure, my pleasure and Dr Bullet before you go. E. Spoke earlier in the interview about black people needing more opportunities to speak for themselves and advocate for their own communities when it comes to the climate. Now. I understand that you recently relaunched an organization. That's going to go along way hopefully toward making that happen. The National Black Environmental Justice Network. Tell us more about that. Yeah, our national black ramble network basically is reformed from nineteen, ninety nine that that had kinda like have been put on hiatus, and the this this rule out of this reverse include myself. Dr Beverly Right. WHO's over the deep? South Center, in Vinyl, justice, in Wallin's Peggy Shepherd who's. Executive Director at the act, in. In Harlem and we have Donell Wilkins's from a grain door. Our Organization in Detroit Michigan and we have it's like. It's a bunch of people We have some individuals on our national steering committee. Who who are from environmental groups Some of the white armed groups will after America's work inside of of environmental groups, but it's lead. Our Organization says that we as Africans. Speak for ourselves when he wants to do. We must organize mobilize. Energy generation. Great to meet you. Dr Bullard by pleasure. Climate Twenty Twenty is produced in association with the yours. Project and postscript audio. Funding is provided by Exelon. 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Trial by Media: the Case of Millionaire Bob Ward, Part II

The First Degree

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Trial by Media: the Case of Millionaire Bob Ward, Part II

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Hey guys, welcome to the first degree that true crime podcast that you might end up on. My name is Jack Vanik. I'm sitting across from Alexis linkletter and next Billy Johnson. And we're in our podcast one home. We are does it feel, we haven't done this in months? It feels professional. It does feel professional feel preventative or Mike stood up. We have our headphones or feeling fancy food no food, and it is, may twenty second two thousand nineteen which is what happy Harvey milk day. Oh, you chose mine. I love Harvey milk. I've talked about it before one of my favorite quotes in the world is by Harvey milk. What does that quote? It's about loving woman, and it's a long quote. I cannot quoted see home. It's like a whole paragraph. But it's, it's really stream a launch business and really beautiful, and I think he was a wonderful, man. But it is also bitcoin pizza day. Yeah. Well, we have a lot to choose from today. It Sherlock Holmes day, which is which is your faith. It's world, Goth day. Why didn't you realize, Dan? There's was just so I wanted to be nice to you, but yes, world got day Sherlock Holmes day. What are you going to do for world, God's day? Are you going to be able to do what I do everyday just sit in my room and listened to music idea and the dark? I'm all right. Let's get into it. So we highly recommend if you haven't listened to part, one of the story stop right now. Go back and listen to that. Because you'll be very confused trying to wrap your head around this insanity without having a little context. But for those of you who have listened, would you recap and give you some cliff notes on where we left off? Bob ward has been arrested for the murder of his wife. Diane ward. Bob is saying that he wrestled the gun away from his wife in the midst of a suicide attempt, which caused the gun to go off accident, the police and the DA's office that subsequently indicted him for murder believed that it was intentional and site, the motive as financial in that Diane was supposed to testify for some financial lawsuit involving some real estate business properties. So Bob has been indicted and he's out on bail. Today, three weeks after his arrest ward posted his one hundred thousand dollar bond and walked out of the Orange County jail into a throng of reporters tonight, he is back in his I'll worse mansion. But with one big difference. He has a monitoring bracelet slapped around his ankle. Bob wars, slight smile as he walked out of the Orange County jail. There were no family members to greet him only employees of the buns men's office. They took him across the street where he was fitted with a GPS monitor. And after about an hour he headed for a waiting car, Mr. ward. Did you shoot your wife? Do you have any explanation ward? Never uttered a word to the media. He was taken home by an unidentified couple even made a stop for waters and a soda at a seven eleven once back inside Isleworth were quietly entered his home, the same mansion where two and a half weeks ago. He's accused of murdering his wife ward seem taken aback by the crowds of cameras think maybe he was a little shocked that how public everything was, and how many people were here. My dad was released on bond in mid October. And when he was released it was complete insanity. I left school to spend time with my dad has got out. When he was released he went home and got the point where he could travel around the county, and he did have the monitoring bracelet, and he was being drugged and alcohol exit tech that he couldn't drink or take drugs place, and it would hard I mean living at home with him in the house was big. It was meant for a big family, and it was just the two of us. It was very lonely. And I always feel bad when I was there because when he was still living in that house that she died in still sleeping in that bedroom, man. You know, we tried to clean it up as best as we can the crime scene Texan do a great job, cleaning it. There was still blood everywhere. We I tried to green it up. It was a nightmare. So we've got to be aware of the fact that, Bob Mallory and Sarah are kind of adjusting to their new reality, this reality that their mom is no longer there, Diane's gone. Hard that bursting giving remember there was this commercial, and it was on, like every commercial break, and it was mom. They just make holidays the best for my Bill thought about it today. Like, are you kidding me? We were definitely morning. I remember many nights just spending with my dad crying. He was always devastated and try to be in high spirits today. But I know at night, dinnertime really got to him, and he actually were picked out of the Isleworth club, but we still lived in our, but they were like, well, you've been charged with this, even though he hasn't been convicted yet. So we couldn't even go to the restaurant. He gets to the neat. And he didn't like to go out in public because someone was always daring, because there was always on the news in the end, the mock Kober we had a ceremony from CoCo beach where she grew up. And my dad was allowed to travel for that. And that was really beautiful. And it was really hard to me. We didn't have her body. He didn't have any of her belongings. Most of them are stolen, but some of them are still in evidence. And I remember when they finally released her body, they had called be turning attorneys called is. And this was November. I. Think and my dad asks the you wanna go skier in. Is that non? I didn't wanna remember her that way to the trial was originally supposed to starting to set your on Valentine's Day, which they made a huge deal about that in the press, I a few weeks off and went down to Orlando and just to support him as much again. I knew I had to testify, but my main thing was I in case it didn't go the way it needed to go. I wanted to be able to feed their and spend the last few days with him. So we, we had a smaller house in our time after we lost the day cows, and it was nice, because at least we're behind a gate and or face. Because still people come into our and trying to get in. It was a nightmare. So the first trial was streamed live on WF, TV, W, E, S H, and FOX thirty five and also CNN Bob ward, under questioning by presiding judge Davis stated that he would not be testifying. And the two week trial took place in the same courthouse, where Casey, Anthony was tried earlier that summer question thoughts on televising murder trials. Well, it certainly didn't work out the OJ trial. It never works out in people argue all the time that. You have to apply to be able to record in there. Obviously, in a judge ultimately makes a determination as to whether or not like x news station can go. Yes. Exactly. But it's always like it really makes people act strange like lawyers are over the top. I don't see the value in it in. I'm as everybody is like putting theatrics, exactly. It's not I agree. And also not to mention the fact that topical wise court, TV just relaunched rating, it also just exploited people's pain, like people vulnerable who've lost both their parents or lost a parent in might lose the other one to jail like, Sarah. Not only is bad enough, having to go through an experience like that. But then being exploited like that is pretty it everyone in the country sees its recorded forever somewhere whenever people want to look you up to see your feelings about this. They can I just think it's unfair. But the argument on the other side is because I was like what is the benefit? And people say it helps people learn about the process. It helps people stay informed. It takes a burden off of reporters for having do play by plays when a case is so robust, so I see, I don't see the other side of them. There's also accountability to, you know, if if, if you have a camera on a courtroom in you're seeing judge being, you know, completely biased for one way or another, or, or seeing one of the, you know, we would not know that Adnan's lawyer was so bad, if we didn't have transcribes, but still no hers her fluctuation. She she's paying. Yes. I mean and she's ill. So I'm not disparaging her. But you need to know into stop practicing law. Yeah. Because somebody's life or minor, right? Exactly. So here are the theories. Bob ward intentionally killed his wife in the couple's, I'll worth mansion September of two thousand nine as pressure mounted from business, bankruptcy, and the motive as we mentioned was that Diane ward was slated to testify just days before she was due to give a deposition in those bankruptcy proceedings. So they are trying to say that this is the reason why he intentionally killed his wife regarding my mom deposition, and how that why he wanted her dead. Had requested to move the deposition, because we were supposed to be at horseshoe that week. And so she wanted to move the he could go up early. So it was that was just completely ridiculous that they tried to make it into something that wasn't, you know, they tried to play it off like he was trying to get her out of it. So he looks guilty and killing her because he was worried. He was going to say something his deposition, which had nothing to do with anything really. I was really relying on. The distance of the gun and the weight of the trigger. I know that those were really big thing and they brought up the distance of the gun, which we knew for fact, had been changed. We had a witness to say that the district attorney went down to the crime lab and told the tax that they had to do whatever they could to make it a homicide. So the distance was changed from about extended inches away from our face to eighteen inches away. Which, of course, if you're relatively intelligent, you would know well, that really hard to shoot yourself in the faith from eighteen inches away granted the whole time, like my dad had died from day, one that there was a struggle over the gun but it still wasn't that far away. Not when some of the life, better evidence that have been brought up. Now defense attorney, Craig gillen told the jury the day before the Diane ward was more valuable to Bob ward alive than dead. Because while she was alive creditors could not come after the couple shared assets. But if she was dead, they'd be able to, because they would all be in his name, right? It'd be able to take everything that's interesting. There's one more thing now. So a lot of this reporting to talked about how Bob wanted his vite dead because of life insurance. Oh, there was none. No life insurance. Rich people like this don't need life insurance. It's true. That's literally to pay for funeral expenses. And if you can't pay the bills. Yeah, so Sarah, and I talked about this, and it was just like she's like, we didn't have insurance, but it was everywhere that will just probably guessing is that only the motive thing, which people don't need to kill people for life insurance. He's, you know, 'cause this is thing we also need to make something clear. This chapter eleven bankruptcy. He still had money to know after eleven they'd just wipe your debt. No. I mean it was. So basically, how it works is like it gives you a chance to restructure your business. So you don't go totally out. Yeah. So they let you restructure they don't take all your assets and all your money. Which is why he was allowed to stay now. Even do chapter eleven in, then become Donald Trump has has declared bankruptcy in many times. So it's not like this move. I mean both of these girls were at university. Yeah. Sarah was like a top question had multiple horses. It's not like they were hurting for money. But that's what the media made it seem. So it's like he wasn't going to kill his wife for life insurance. It wouldn't have wouldn't have done anything. So I recently moved over by the beach and California last year. And let me tell you, it is the hardest thing in the entire world to try to find a decently priced decent apartment that had all the amenities. I wanted in a safe area and I actually ended up finding my apartment through one of our sponsors apartments dot com. 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She said that in the five years that she dated Bob, he drank heavily in once popped three valium in his mouth, washing it down alcohol. She also said that he got violent when he was drunk, enduring one disagreement, he was so enraged that he tore, bud pose off with his bare hands and be her unconscious. She later, testified to all this, adding that he was complaining about his wife shortly before fatal shooting, quote, he said that his wife spent too much money. She also said that he was angry with his wife for being too busy to pick him up at the Orlando international airport. I am too. Busy to anybody up from the airport, right? So my dad and his ex girlfriend also named Diane. Were had reconnected. Diane the ex girlfriend, not Diane. My mom had reached out to my dad, and this was the summer or the spring, before my mom died, and wanted to graduate and my dad's like yeah, sure that's fine. But I remember when you were sitting at the kitchen counter, and my dad told my mom and I that we. Been this is wholly play. We called her face chicken, this woman was not. And I. And because I know like the murder Reno crowd like. That saying crazy stuff like that can be really triggering for people I suffer from serious mental on us. I have really bad depression. I really got anxiety. I really better CD like, but this was not. I mean, she was crazy, and she wanted to meet with my dad for drinks, and my mom. My dad asked my mom. Well, you think I should do it and my on the floor. Let's see her parents who is your heart, but you better do it. I want to hear. Everything about this. So they rented in had drinks, and that was fine. And I'm sure my dad bitch, about going to the airport and not getting picked up. It wasn't my mom didn't take them off. It was the woman that was living in our guest house in taking care of the house. When we were gone, she went, and go take my dad up from the airport, so basic and had her stories all, and I saw that woman when I had to do my deposition, and she as needing nastiest work. And like I just thought my mom, just because you don't like my dad doesn't mean you treat me like crap. And when it comes to the whole situation, she was talking about, about the bed post, and this, and that it happened the complete other way my dad came up the stairs. And Diane was holding the bedpost and waxed in with it. And then held them at gunpoint and said, if you don't agree to marry me, I'm gonna kill you. I mean everyone was insane. And so there was a. Police report filed and it's conveniently missing now but she wanted her fifteen minutes, and she should dot it at his expense. Also, he pushed him out of a ski lift in broke his hip this woman's insane. So what was the defense's strategy going to be to counter the prosecution asked for the defense? I mean we just we're going to stick with the truth. You know she. How to well documented or at least, well known drinking problem and she struggled with drugs and I- bed, carbon Connell, the attorney to put on a drink on the stand. And he didn't. And I think that kind could've explained my dad may you're on the phone. My dad's behavior after you know, he could be a little bit rigid was a businessman, and he knew when he needed to kind of focus and get things done. And I have that with him, just like with narrow needs to get done and get it done. And they can come off a little bit cold. So there's something else if the media, and the prosecution kind of latched onto in that was the fact that on the night of Diane's death that the gun that was used in the shooting ended up in the in a drawer in one of the dressers in the bedroom. The night, the incident occurred also address the gun in the drawer. It was brought up in the media that will be done within the George. So he must have, you know, he definitely saw her 'cause then he took the gun and then put it away. But on the nine one one call. At some point. He was told to secure the gun. In some he put it back in the drawer. He was standing right next to the door. We're kind of things you were trying to talk about and my mom's history with drugs and alcohol and how there wasn't history of violent when she drank, and mixed it with a lot of pills. So Sarah's testimony is this. She was called by the prosecution, but the info that she shared seemed to give weight to the defense's argument that her mother, Diane fifty five was drunk and suicidal, when the gun went off a Sarah said that her mother never handled guns, but did say that she could be she could get very erratic after she drank red wine, which was her drink of choice. So they had me testified for the end for the prostitution. I don't know why they called me as a prosecution witness and my sister. But that's just how it worked out clo-. They. As I was walking up. And I must say, I don't even remember the first prosecutors name, but she was really nasty for most of the time, but she was very good about. Signaling to my sister, my aunt, and I or telling me Turney tell us that we needed to cover is or to leave when they were gonna show sensitive photos. She was really good about that. And I have to give her credit for that. Things weren't going gory. For us, but they weren't also going great for the prosecution by the end of their stuff. So she was kind of all fired up, when I went to testify, she prominently displayed on her death right that I had to walk by the close up photo. My mom on the autopsy table, upper face, and that's where she was shot and would have been upsetting a matter what it was. But I mean you could and she'd been cleaned up. But you could you could see everything, and it was horrible. And I have nightmares to this day about it. I mean, I will never be right. Because of this woman showing me photo. And she did it on purpose. You did it to save me out before I went on the sand. But when I'm on the stand, she was asking me about. Mom and any outbursts. She had ever had or. Well, finally, she said something, and it really made me mad and I just screamed at him. Well, one time she threw a suitcase at me, and she did she rude at me almost that in the base, and I was trying. My point was, you know, she could have outbursts and she could violent where she's had them. It wasn't the first son and it wasn't the last but I really made that prosecutor mad. And she just looked at me, and she swam for hand on the table, and she was well, you weren't there when your dad shot your mom point blank in the face, and she was leading out on her. More were you and I just started bawling I'm blessed twenty I mean, young kid really and I start fine in so my dad smashed his hand on the table. He's angry. I mean he didn't get her but. And everyone twisted that as well. Bob words, a horrible person, look at this, temper, he's got he definitely his life because he's got such a temper. Most of ocean day yet in the millionaire murder trial with the defendants daughter leaving the stand in tears. Bob board became angry hitting the defense table when prosecutors asked his younger daughter about her mother being shot in the face. Meanwhile when the prosecutor as to a hard ball question about her mother's shooting death. You hear a loud thud in anger from Bob ward, and the court. You, you there when your mother ended up shot face? Millionaire murder suspect Bob ward, lost his customary cool when a question about his wife's shooting death, reduced his younger daughter to tears, he later apologized to the court earlier, Sarah ward testified that she witnessed her mom, get violent once under the influence of red wine case mean when she was wine, the defense claims Diane ward was drunk on wine and despondent before trying to kill herself the night of her death. Sisters are more best friends in the days before, Diane Ward's death. Her sister Paula testified, she heard no evidence that, Bob ward, was harboring resentment or anger towards his wife. They were both laughing. No, they were. They were having a great time. Sarah said that her mom wasn't slurring her words when she last spoke to her on the evening of her death, but she did know that she was drinking. She said that she loved her mother and father more than anything. And it was during this testimony, that Bob ward appeared to lose his cool thumping, his hand on the defendant's dusk as his daughter was asked questions about the shooting in September of two thousand nine the media ran with this suggesting that his action was a display of Bob's violence towards the end of the first trial. I knew he was going to be found guilty. I was watching her jersey, I was watching the news, which I was I hadn't done. And I knew he was going to be found guilty. Now, we, we were forced interesting because they wouldn't bring our witness forward. We had a witness or the crime lab to say that he was told the change the distance of the gun and the prosecution was like, well, we don't want to bring him back. We'll of course you don't want to bring him back. Anyway, we never got it. Not a deposition for him. But obviously been talk about that, though we rested, and I just knew who's going to be convicted. You spend one night at home together, which was nice because dinner, and I didn't wanna tell my dad, you know, like you're going to prison tomorrow. So I just kind of we just sat around and drink, and hugged. And obviously my dad's insurance because he was really good on his. What he needed to do to make sure they stay out. But I would definitely drinking in my sister. She was. She's acts like she says, tough, and she is, she's the strongest woman, I know but this stuff it hurts, her really badly. And it I just it was a heartbreaking unite. And we spent the next day we had, like a room on the top floor of the, of the courthouse, where we can just sit in there was there, media there and we just sat around and help Hans, and your dad, but time with me, and then he goes with Mallory and they got the call that verdict in. We went down, and there's a picture of me and my sister, and my dad, and we're all just holding here. Then I knew it was the last time that I was going to happen where he was pretty. I just knew it and listen as the judge team in my dad had listen disable and stable in the verdict is read, and we all just bride. And my dad took all of his watch it, it bring what it ring this wallet out. And laid them on the table and just went back with them. And he honestly thought he would get out. No, I mean, he didn't think that this would be problem because why would you think you'd be convicted of something you didn't do so unsurprisingly based on how things have gone so far? Bob was convicted and. This is baffling when you actually break it down like this, when we watch it and absorb it. We don't realize it. But when you break it down like this. Listen to this, the live reading of the verdict could be found on central Florida news thirteen as well as w f TV channel nine W, F L channel thirty five which interrupted their regular schedules. W FM channel six related, the bulletin view across all the broadcast stations quickly returned to their lineups but not before saying not before the camera focus on words daughters. Mallory and Sarah who were in tears. News. Thirteen said both daughters while their father was being handcuffed whispered through tears. I love you dad. One of the words daughters said that the said that's bullshit. It said expletive and then they were rushed out of the courtroom. So they like narrate this. Like it's a telenovela, and they zoom in on people's faces who are in pain in, like you watch it. And we're so desensitized, but these are real people watching TV and it's just people are probably reacting like it was in a scripted show breaking out. No, like empathy. Exactly raking into you. You know, the broadcast whatever it was. It was probably Martin. Ricki lake Martha Stewart. Yeah. Something along those lines or, or game show, or a soap opera and it's pretty incredible that the TV stations thought that this was, you know, this is this is Florida's big story, and we're going to break their like shoving it down people's throat, Florida is grown for this. Worse than Mundy. Wore knows Rawlings, Casey, Anthony it so much so that, like, I mean, the sunshine law in Florida is is that so people can get public information because I just think there was so much. It was so much, so convoluted they, I don't wanna see the encourage this but do they because they Acilitator they allow it. And it's no coincidence, that the ones I just named. I mean, can you think of another state that has so many? I mean besides like LA doesn't have even that many that I could rattle off like that, though. I mean, all of California. Yeah. But for Florida being the size that it is. I mean if something to that. So the Sixers they deliberated twelve hours over two days before finding him guilty of second degree murder ward was stoic. As the verdict was read and before the verdict he hugged the daughters, and as they were crying he was fingerprinted in court. He was handcuffed and removed from the court by the deputies. One, juror said, we took this very, very seriously sediment, named Pedro. Gonzales was a twenty four year old from Orlando. He said, I believe our verdict was the correct, one gonzalex Gonzales said that having the revolver using the shooting brought back to the jury room for the panel to handle was critical in his estimation. Each juror, he said pulled the trigger to get a feel for what it would take to fire the weapon, we ski, we squeeze the trigger and got a feel for the twelve pound trigger pull. He said, we agree that gun didn't just go off. And Bob ward was sentenced to thirty years. I know that the judge granted the jury permission to bring the gun back into test the weight of that trigger to see we'll did she just pull it really quick. And it went off or how how much pressure do you need? What is the pressure pound for fresher? They never should've had access to the guy to do their own facts. And then they also ask for at least a yard stick. But I could hold the gun away from their faces and see how much pressure and how far away was eighteen inches. And then yeah, they should have never had any of that, that was really unfortunate. A short time after the conviction. Bob's attorney filed two motions and attempt to get him a new trial or an acquittal, these motions were based on a TV news segment, that featured juror Pedro Gonzalez. Now media. Media in backfires, because w k MG channel six in Orlando, sin tunnel. Both conducted interviews with this juror Pedro Gonzales he told reporters about this ability had to pull the trigger. And how this assisted the jury in reaching the verdict, but his lawyer was outraged because this is against criminal procedure. You're not allowed to take the murder weapon in conduct your own experiments, as a jury completely outrageous. So I mean the defense may have never known about it. The defensive nave never known about it paid or not said that on camera. Right. And we all the more reason, potentially to have to fill in the trial to film, the trial and. This is, but this was after the trial, this was outside. But this is why we have public information acts that allow us transcripts in things like that. But I don't know how you get information about what happens in a jury room question. And, but the idea that like a prosecutor knows this isn't okay every step of the way and again, we're not commenting on the guilt of Bob Bob orb. But the. A lot of up shit that is happening in this trial. Yes, there, the integrity of the coverage in the integrity of the trial. The investigation have been gravely compromised. Whether you think he's guilty or innocent Cranford after a convicted. They go to the oh, and then they go to what's called a recession thinner was found like a vacation. But it's totally not. And he went there. And. Was there from the trial ended intercept member decided there until January or February? And for the most part, we couldn't talk to him. He. He said he didn't try to turn himself. I think he's trying to be strong for Mallory night, but the overdosed on the medication that he must have all the way to go. The hospital in December. We had a couple of hearing for experiments in hearings, and this and that and. At the sentencing hearing was on my courses. There's birthday. Mallory night, or I know I did. I don't know if I came and testified, but. No, I, I guess how much of my dad, you know, I try not to talk about. Well, this court bought it wrong because I didn't want to never want to come off. It's easy. Tori horse to judge or to be really respectful, but I just told him told them how much my dad's of my mom and her importance USA hair, and he went to the prison in Ocala marrying county curricula station. And I have to say those guard, there are good friends with Nathan this day. They were very nice. They looked out my dad, I met them amazing people in. There's some people that are definitely healthy, some people that definitely ours. Some people that got insane sentences that don't deserve them just because they were threatened into it, and he would go every holiday. My sister went every week end for years there every other weekend for years. And while I was in college, I went about once or twice a month. I try to go slice. Like on the weekends might disturbing dough but usually it was once a month and these spent more than giving in Christmases in prison than I care to count. Sixty seconds. That's exactly how long does commercial will last for. But you know what else are you can do in about a minute, you can get an offer for your car with truecar? That's right. And the amount of time that it takes you to flush teeth pet your dog. Do few sit ups make up a coffee or just listen to my voice in this ad? You can get a true cash offer on your car and best of all, you can do it from your smartphone or your home. You don't even have to leave your couch. So all you do is go to truecar simply onto your license plate number and watch how your car's details pop-up. 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Download new episodes of creating competence with Heather mon- hand only on apple podcasts and podcast. One. So as Mallory and Sarah are visiting their dad trying to mourn their mother trying to finish college trying to avoid the media. It maintains some sort of normalcy, they are also preparing. To file this appeal and try to get their dad, a second trial. And they're just trying to keep it all together. They're young. They're college kids, trying to navigate the legal system advocate for their father. I can't imagine. But that's what they're doing while they're spending their holidays in prison preparing for the appeal in trying to keep their dad positive while they wait to see what's going to happen, and the whole time, we were trying to appeal had this one attorney given Feldman and he filed his appeal he was not good in front of the court. The feel of regionally we've just on your honor thing. I don't even remember what the original field was. But we lost that was in twenty well over twenty thirteen and then we filed another deal with new attorneys. We got a whole new team. And I met with them, we had to attorney from Georgia, and we had to have one from Florida. So we got one for Miami. And I didn't like them. Mike. I felt like they thought my dad was guilty. I told my dad flat out. Don't hire. These guys cried Gillan thinks you're guilty. I didn't like him at all. I really like them and respect them. And I'm the first person to admit when I'm wrong in at that point, I was wrong day files an appeal saying are it was called a thirty eight fifty which is incompetent counsel. And I'm never one, I don't want to blame Kirk. He was sick and dying. And that's not his fault. It's heartbreaking, and I feel for family. Who's a nice man. I think he wanted to go out with a bang, but the trial and a big win. And it just didn't work out that way. But towards the end of the day, at the first row, you could see him kind of fading. He wasn't asking for mistrial Dhingra brought up that we won our second appeal in two thousand fifteen dad was his conviction was overturned. He was considered legally innocent. And we want it because of his constitute to tional rights, being violated actually was never read his Miranda rights. We won't be appeal. He was supposed to get out a year. They kept him in prison. They didn't. Even release him like into. The jail. They didn't even send him where he was just confined in a home like nothing finally your later. He gets out in Douglas pizza Marquez. She tells him while we don't recognize ankle monitoring bracelets, but you can be out, but you have to stay in orange down, and you can't go anywhere, which is fine. That's great. He's out of prison and he was out for like six or eight months. He should have been out for years. But they kept in, in owego innocent man in prison because the system they stuck. So. We were fucking for the trial with the same attorneys that won the appeal. And I'm really unhappy because all they wanted to talk about was money, which, I don't blame them. They're working at off, but they may not sign over our health. To them and. They won. I think they wanted like a million dollars or of one point two million around there for them to cover it. And so. When the house with old they would have sold it for minimum of that. Even if it's worth twice as much because they only showed about something take bending about my sister, and I having anything that you care about if my dad got out him have anything live on after everything. He's worked for any shit about anything for themselves and I really started notice that toward trials. Now's the third medicine buddying up with the new prosecutor will say, well he he told us that he listen to the prosecutor because he didn't tell you whatever the Yvonne, don't listen handbill that go on. We're putting for the next trial. And my dad can't come to my wedding, which was awful. I had to get married and that. Courthouse. Has a nightmare. But my dad is one thing that was normal, and that was to give at least one daughter away at her wedding because. I don't think he'll ever be able to give Mallory way and he couldn't come to our graduation. And he won't be us that kid he needed one normal thing. So we did that he bought me a bouquet it was so cute and. Anyway, we went to trial, I guess it was that'd be wary of twenty eighteen. So now Bob is going on trial for the second time of the murder of his wife's the assistant state attorney told the jury during opening statements that science would prove that it was an intentional act of murder, and he has relied on extensive friends at testimony for the beginning of the trial, calling for a series of investigations from the Orange County sheriff's office in Orange County, medical examiner's office. So the science, they're relying on is they focused, hyper focus on the DNA on the gun, and then where was placed on sadly, so basically and Jack and I were kind of texting about this before. The trigger had Diane's DNA on it. But the barrel had Bob's in depending on what you read some D some media. Let's say only Bob CNN was on the gun. Some people say, oh, his DNA was in the barrel, which means he killed her some say the people's like support him the DNA was on the barrel. It's ports, his, his story. They when they did the swab this put both of the places the DNA into, like the same sort of contam- guy. But let's talk about it. So there was, obviously, was it a DNA or was it the GS our stuff knows that I am. I think it was the DNA where they took it from the trigger on the barrel, or the trigger in the handle, or whatever it was because there wasn't enough just to test the one area so they tested them together. So obviously, it's cross contaminating. Yeah. No, it's. And there's a lot of science that they talk about. But I say scientists, like they talk about g SR and they talk about how there was a ton on Diane in none on Bob in there. Saying they couldn't test his clothes, and how stuff caught in the back, but it's all very convoluted and you could imagine, also, we're dealing with a case that had does have all of this media scrutiny of a rich white, man. Can you imagine every minority, and how they often get railroaded this because they don't have the jury in a no cameras in front of the jury asked him about stop then saying like oh yeah. We were handling the gun and we were squeezing the trigger. Yeah. You know, not only Bob had the luxury of mortgaging properties to pay for a really solid defense and his defense did a great job. I mean, like getting a second trial is something most people don't ever get, especially if you don't have money. We went to trial. I guess that'd be wary of twenty eighteen. And it lasted like a week. I mean it was short this time and they just blew through it, and they prosecution made the same claims they make before the first two prosecutors. They were pair were fired one prosecutorial misconduct and another. 'cause he she went on Ransome's went on ramps on Facebook that were incredibly offensive and. My dad my poor. Daddy, we're all saying in this like little hotel. And I just remember just staying with him and bringing dinner and just trying to at least have him enjoy while he's out to dinner and bought them an ice skate. But I was like you deserve one nice thing and. Yeah, it didn't go well that hole. And I knew going to be convicted again, I art team just didn't put up a good fight. Will we come in when they said they had a verdict, it was very similar to the first trial where my dad's legend time with me, and then he says, in time with Mallory, and my husband came in from California, he almost had to quit his job, just so he could be there for the verdict and my dad's been in a room and that was in for while and I think he was gonna have been. And when the when we came in to get the verdict read the judge would teach you Marquette. It's just looked right at Mallory night and was like, don't react. No matter what happens, you can't do anything and then she was awful. Does this whole time that woman is a stone cold dish? Keeping not have been forced to us when I was on the stand teaches treated me like crap this woman just headed. He didn't care and my mom was dead. And that I was gonna lose my dad, she didn't care. So when he does get that second trial. The jury and the second jury, they opt to not convict him of second degree murder, but they do find him guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter with a firearm. L verdict read guilty and I was sitting next to Maori and she just stand up in glorying my sister, she loved. My dad is she will defend him until the day he dies is day. I die in probably even after. No outburst. No emotional displays of any kind. Or you will be escorted from the courtroom if you cannot control yourself you need to leave the courtroom now. The deputies are free to scored anybody who acts up out the door brand the jury on Monday. Former Isleworth millionaire, Bob ward, will be sentenced for the manslaughter of his wife die in back in two thousand nine we've been. In February a jury found ward guilty of manslaughter with a firearm for killing his wife, seething with anger Ward's, daughter was outraged by the verdict. And stormed out of the courtroom screaming. Prosecutors painted a picture of an angry. Distraught man, whose business was family, laying out an alternative theory of what occurred wards defense attorney spent much of the trial, claiming Diane was unstable pointing to her use of mixing antidepressants and alcohol that events argued ward was trying to stop. Diane from killing herself jury. The night. Mary end today. Sadly, the nightmare for the word family continues. That's all we have to say, keep it out unscreened. She went out and man. She threw a chair funding. Elevator's about broker hand. I had not arrest her. When I found her finally in the parking lot and have taken the hospital math, but I don't mind. I mean it's bullshit, she would right? So they your Adam away, again, and that was that'd be wary of last year. It's been a mess in. So sehr awards stepped up to the courtroom podium and asked the judge to set her father free. Diane ward would not have wanted her husband to remain behind bars and Sarah awards said, I promise you that the life we have is now not what she wanted when she asked us to take care of our dad. My dad has paid a debt that he does not. Oh, six years in prison, and Bob ended up asking the judge to have mercy on me. He says, what I'm asking from you is please. Make this right please. I'm a good person. I didn't do this, and he also complained of what he said were inaccuracies in the prosecutor's closing statements after he was convicted the second time the judge after the verdict. I don't wanna let it out, just because it just talking about the series of judges being. We originally had a male judge. He granted my dad bonds, and he was replaced with. I don't even remember her. She was pretty nice though. And after the first child when he granted us an appeal she was immediately replaced. And our judge from this last trial has been replaced as well. It started out here. Like as soon as we started getting things granted favor, the judges rather replace. Or they were demoted from like nature crimes to, you know, smaller crimes that was kind of weird so. What's interesting? I mean, he was ultimately convicted and sentenced to thirty years. Again. Yes. So have you ever heard that? So he was convicted of a lesser charge of manslaughter in given the same exact sentence. Yes. So, what's the point of convicted, convey, were just like no, dude? This is what you're getting. Yeah. We don't care that you deserved an appeal, whatever. Right. And another thing that's interesting is that as soon as the appeal was granted, they switched the judges out 'cause like I don't know what the greater powers are in the situation. But what are the odds of that? And as soon as the appeal was granted he was ordered to pay a jail. Reimbursement almost like like oh, you got another trial. Now you have to pay fifty dollars for every day, you've spent jail, which equated to five hundred forty seven thousand five hundred dollars excluding leap days. He's like keeps getting a mess. It's such it's an I'm sure there's a process through this, but, like he doesn't have the money anymore. I mean they lost everything fighting this and I'm just like, dude, even if you whether you did, or not, if you didn't do it like your hands are tired like how do you fight this anymore? So after the second sentencing. The person tasked with selling the assets from the war to state made a discovery. After the second trial as you were packing up the house. I mean, the attorney voter told us sell everything in the house and get out, and we were going through everything. And in my mom and dad room in the house. This is the house in Atlanta. She had to say at three closets. And my dad had one. She gave me one for for my horse riding stuff. I can't tell you how many times I spent in my mom's room crying, and just being general sad. Dr myself, and I thought I'd gone through everything. The estate sales woman found what did she was going through my closet in my mom's room this note, she's holding it with tissue. 'cause we don't wanna touch you. But there was this one folder in a purse the purse that she had used the summer she had died when she had when she died, she came out in that folder. It's a suicide note, and we were all like boldy shit. It's a suicide note, and I'll read it, and my mom had very distinction writing. And she would always doodle like crazy. She just did these little loops I still do to this. I note read dear Mallory and Sarah. We know how much I love you. I don't know how it happened for me to end up like this. I want you to have wonderful live and know that I will always be watching out for you both take care of daddy. I love you more than you will ever know take care of the dogs, they will need you. Charles gosh. So in this is like a piece of paper. I mean, it's a handwritten note in this kind of very early cursive. Yeah. Harder aid, and the note was on a piece of stationery that said, Diane ward at the top. But yeah, finding this kind of thing, everything from our United brought us a little bit of closure, it still breaks, my heart and it just felt like the first time in ten years, we were hearing from her mom. And it was it was a lot of digging were just stunned because it felt like after all this time after all this heartbreak after losing everything we had some sense of her saying goodbye, but at the same time didn't make any sense, because I mean, we knew what had happened, but the fact that she was holding this in, for so long, long enough for it to have been found in the other house, not the how she died in was weird. Then I guess that from, you know, since he introduced it in the court, I guess, the prosecution said, well, it wasn't even found in the house, she died it. But that just shows to me, how long you've been thinking about doing and for me, her daughter, who, and I spend the most time with her not he that. It was at this point. Because I tried to kill myself three times after my mom died, and I should have seen that I should have seen the side, then I didn't. But we were able to date it to that summer because of the things that was with they had gone to Italy that brain and she'd bought certain things and they were in that folder with it, and because of the defense of the prosecutor, we don't have these things on hand. We have to pay for an expert we paid for neck burden. They confirmed it was her handwriting, which we all knew I will say, since I found that I think I've been a little bit more at peace with my mom, obviously, not with my dad because of everything he's dealing with the governor was my mom is brought me some, some sense of comfort. Seren. Bob supporting family members under the piling, FBI expert to confirm the date and authentic St. of the note. There attorney Sean Ellsworth said that the -noth- note, bolsters her husband's claim that Diane ward was attempting suicide the night of her death and approached Bob board with a gun in her hands, prompting the struggle that ended up with her shooting. It's also offering proof that Diane ward was quote, unstable in a highly volatile mental and emotional state, and thinking and acting in a neurotic and life threatening manner. More strange things in ensue. So prosecutor Mark interleague Chico. Mark was one of the state's attorneys who was assigned to the Bob ward trial. And he essentially resigned amid an investigation in the allegations that he had improper contact with Bob Ward's, daughter Mallory, the alleged, improper communication took place days, after a jury reach a verdict. Sarah ward, was the person who reported her sisters messages with Mark to the defense team in the defense requested, the messages from the state's attorney's office, and it was turned over us part of discovery and the Florida orange Osceola state's attorney had a response to these allegations. Aramis Ayala said the following in a statement, I take professionalism and integrity in my office. Very seriously. When the personal communication was brought to my attention immediately suspended. The essay pending an investigation. This particular assay, obviously, this is regards to Mark is no longer employed with my office. I'm confident that the successful prosecution of Bob ward was not compromised. So apparently, there were some Facebook messages exchanged and text messages that were very, very inappropriate, and getting into them does not need to happen. But the bottom line is it makes no sense for prosecutor to be contacting the daughter of a defendant, that they just spent months convicting. It's strange and I also have information that this prosecutor was dating a reporter previously who was involved in a lot of this media circus, and the reporting that helped convict Bob ward. So I think this is a lot here for most people, the case involving Diane ward shooting death was like a train wreck. You couldn't. Look away from. But after Bob's conviction this case, lofta rob second conviction this case faded from the memory and the spectators moved on in. That's something. Bob's family has not been able to do the murder trial that incarceration the conviction the appeal the retrial made a twisting turning in very compelling. Tabloid story. The question of his guilt is not something we are prepared to comment on because we don't have the evidence, but what we can say with certainty and conviction is that the integrity. Of everything, I think, has been grossly compromised in that the investigation, the trial, even when he was incarcerated. I mean things were being blown out of proportion, and I just don't see how people can get a fair trial, and even as defense attorneys said, you know, after Casey Anthony, and this is right after the how does how is he going to get a fair trial? And this happened, we saw this with OJ Menendez. Brothers were OJ was acquitted, and then the Menendez brothers second trial approached in the same courthouse with the same team of prosecutors, and they were not going to lose that one. And I think it's political, it's not about wrong or right? And it's it's problematic. So where are things now what are Mallory? And Sarah's next moves. And what's Bob boards, next move. Trying to file another appeal and a big part of it is this note, and things that were done wrong in the last trial. Well time say should have declared a mistrial, etc. I'll never give up on my dad. I'll never give up on his innocence, but I've definitely given up on our Justice system. I'm giving up on the state of Florida. I can't say enough bad things about everything that's happened. But I hope that this third for stem, one even just one person to say, hey, this isn't right. This could have anyone because I never thought it would happen to me. And now I'm basically in an episode of law and order it can happen to anyone. I mean, there has to be another way, something have to change because there are too many innocent people in prison in, there are too many guilty, people walking the street and I'm over it. So the question now, of course, after everything Mallory and Sarah have been through after ten years of fighting this fight. Where are they now is there hope? When I'm asked if I have hoped I wish I was strong enough to say, yes, I do. And I think he'll be home one day, but this has been ten years, and I'm not that naive kid anymore, and I don't have a I know he will die in prison. This appeal, whether it goes through or not, they'll never let this go. You know, they'll want to retry it again. They'll wanna just wash the side again from especially the media. They love it Orlando just loves to vilify him and, and my sister, and my aunt and me. I, I don't think he'll ever get out when he calls me on the phone and asked, how things are and how things are going with the attorneys. I'm I always tell them things are great. You know, we're doing okay. Don't give up and I love you and not will be fine, and they'll be home one day and because I, I can't and and I don't mind polite, but I can't stand to tell him that I know you've never getting out, he's gonna die, where he is. He's sixty pounds underweight, and he sick and he's not getting the medication he needs. And. So either he dies because you get stabbed in there, which he's been threatened before and they're moving him so to a really bad place. And it'll probably happen there he'll die because they're not treating his illnesses and just, you know, we're filing and feel again because. When we sold the house, he comes he's already sold it for what it was worth. So they could get their money and we have nothing. We can he didn't win the trial, though. It would have been great if we thought the help, we gave it away for them. And we won the trial in dot com, but we didn't get shit locked everything, and I would do it again, because I would, I would give everything to have my dad home. And at some point, maybe if enough people stand up and say, you know, this isn't right. Media has so much control. The prosecution is working with the media, they're all elected. So they've just wanna do what they've influenced the media to influence the people to do people need to stand up and say this can't happen anymore. I'm very fortunate. My dad's very fortunate in the sense that we had millions of dollars to spend on Turney, and we spent every last dime of that money to defend my dad, and I would do it again. I was in everything, I would give everything for my dad could be home. Either. If we're living in on the side of the road in Atlanta. I would do that for him. But imagine the people that don't have the money to do that. We were able to take it this far. We've probably can't take it any farther. But imagine that people that clean, get to where we got in vinegar can have that cheers. You know, at Sarah's absolutely right. And I'm the person who believes that win the judicial system when our laws and we have ethical, people practicing on both the size of the prosecution. The defence we have unbiased jurors our judicial system can work very, very well with a very low rate of error, however, generally their agendas at play that we've address on multiple episodes that aren't visible through the lens of the media or the public, I, I mean, DA's as our elected position, judges are also elected positions and people often make decisions or campaign against or for certain cases, based on those motives, so that's something we always have to keep in consideration. When you add the media in a bias there, there's another. Variable, you have to consider as far as an additional catalyst? To swaying. Conviction or an outcome or kind of hive mind about this person's guilt. We all know they're innocent people in prison. More than we realize, and there are many guilty. People walking free can't deny it and Sarah's. Right. I mean, there has to be a better way. But, you know where you start and trying to get to the bottom of this, you speak up. You be squeaky wheel. And we're Sarah started was messaging Billy and now Jack billion myself have spent a ton of time talking about this case. And now they've been to episodes of this podcast about it. And you know what I know that Sarah, your hope is, you don't have any more because you've been grappling with this forever, but we do. Okay. So we're listening. We're here for you. And, you know, I'm so glad you message. Billy was one of. Retu- which he wrote to me. So this is initially how she reached out to me. Hi, billy. I hope you're well, I want to reach out to you, because I was hoping to bring some interest in my dad's case he's been twice convicted of murdering my mom, but we have a suicide note and his DNA wasn't on the gun. I know you focus on unsolved cases. But I would love to chat with you about this, and get some ideas. And at least tell you more about it if possible, I replied, so thanks so much for responding. He was known as millionaire murderer Bob ward in Orlando. Imagine how horrible to like you're writing this to me like a stranger and you're writing like yet. My dad off. Murderer god. And, and then she writes, we don't have any money now my sister, and I have spent everything and given everything to his defense, even our house, and then she included a, a link to one of the stories, and she actually did the cry laughed emoji because say, oh, no. I didn't see that the picture at I is her crying in like with that. Yeah, exactly. And then the green shirt, and yeah, and that's the that's the thumbnail that came up and she was like, oh my God. I can't believe I sent that. So, you know, she said it did get a lot of press at the time, but we were completely railroaded. She brings up the police bought porn on our on our TV where they investigated at the house, and stole thousands of dollars in cash and jewellery. And our attorneys told us not to say anything about it, because it would ruin our chances at trial, which were already ruined. We went into the same courtroom right after Casey Anthony, and then she sent us she sent me a picture of the family and also picture the suicide. Side note, here are some pictures. I think sometimes pictures helped put us face to a headline. We were a happy family. I'm not one to give up. Even if you don't think you can help, maybe you know, someone who can she talks about her dad, and this is the stuff where and I get a lot of these, but I mean and usually I don't do wrongful conviction things. But this is like she's like I'm not out looking to get attention for myself or piggybacking on anything. I'm begging for help anywhere I can for my dad. He is old and sick and will die in prison for something. He didn't do and not only him but many other people, there were so many wonderful innocent people in prison, we have been lucky to take our case as far as we have, but he won't make it out on the other side of this. I have given one third of my life to it, and we'll be defined by this forever, as I always say that everybody the squeaky wheel gets the grease you'd be the squeaky wheel. And she was, and I'm so glad that I was able to, to bring this to two. I agree. So we're certainly glad Sarah that you reached out. And we're glad that we could tell your story because nobody else. You could tell it from your perspective, and from such a personal way. Right. And your dad sitting in jail. I don't know how you deal with that day to day. Especially considering what he went through in the media, and in the trials and the rollercoaster all of that new and Mallory show incredible strength. And I really admire it so much. Absolutely. So thank you so much for reaching out. That's the whole reason why we do this podcast if people can tell their stories, whether they're on a victim side of things, whether they knew a perpetrator, and we give them that voice. Yeah. 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"This podcast is a local production of mississippi public broadcasting and depends on the support of listeners. Like you if you can please donate today at mp be online dot org and thanks from pb think radio this is fixing the home improvement. Show to help you do it yourself. I'm jason klein hilo campus as she certified inspector at inspect it like a girl and licensed contractor. Jeff salmon's from house works. The new year is here and now is the time to plan your year of home improvement. You can start all over again. Right as the saying goes. Rome was not built in a day. So if you start now playing your fixes or improvements he will not seem like a rush job. When it's time to do the work this year you can join the conversation. Tell us what's going on in your twenty twenty one call eight seven seven m pb ring. That's eight seven seven six seven two seven four six four or send an email to fix it one n. p. online dot. Org how are you guys doing this morning. good morning. good morning very very well there. You go jeff pam. We were trading some pictures before we're on the air earlier and pam. It looks like you made a a ramp this week. The during the holiday season you made a rant share ramp. Is that what i'm seeing. Well sort of yeah. It's not for wheelchair not yet is this. Was this at your house. Yes that's my house. And i just have to say. I'm glad the holidays are over. Because i wore myself out. Yeah i know. I know so. That's when when i get extended periods of time off i will go to town. I pull out all my tools and all my would. And i love what you said in the intro about planning because i had been planning to revai up the injury into my backyard and it's a raised yard so you can use steps. But how do you get your lawn mower and your wheelbarrow up. Stints look at you okay. A ramp for the equipment. Good for you yeah and from afar would cause. I'm you know. I've got another load coming today. But i use one of these handy dandy wagons and fill that thing up with. Because i keep my firewood under my carport right so now i can just pull it up the ramp and Go right in. And then the steps that had been layer were not even and they were rickety and the railing wasn't good so i built it back so that all the stairs the exact same height and the and the ramp was exactly the right dimensions. And then i- trended all out with old. Would because and i were talking about this this morning i looked at it. And for those of you who can't see this this morning Her picture of this entrance way to her home It looks as though It's all done with with Previously used would. It looks really really cool. But i thought there's no way she could use that. That could be real. I wonder if she used repurpose would or if she went and bought wood and painted it to look like that. Oh no no no no no because we don't throw it away. Everything and i'm redoing my deck board bob board that has rotted and that's why i was so excited before the holidays because the would showed up l. lungs and i stocked up some redoing the deck boards and then i use those old deck boards to trim out the ramp and the staff. That's cool very cool. it looks. It looks really neat. You should be proud of that. So thank you so jeff. What were you working on for the holiday. Well i was working on Hang on to seconds. Move onto one other thing please. Yes sir. I'll take care that. I'll tell you what i worked on because my my list was huge. The list that i worked on first of all star shower faucets. You don't talk about the actual. Here's the deal. We had a leak in both showers coming from the drain. And i knew that it wasn't the drain itself. I knew that it was the was the to you. Know the things that determined to get water to come out so it was the handle. So i you know. Of course the handle is just is just a thing. Attached to what really makes the shower water. Go on and off and that is a cartridge stem. Kinda thing so anyway. I i had replaced some of the rubber on the ones a couple of times. But i'd never replace the entire cartridge now what that is. That's the the whole assembly that that you screw into the plumbing that makes it so the water comes on and off so you can buy those things individually. I know mine. They're they're they're mostly all brass. At least the older ones are. And i know mine were around fifteen bucks a piece and so i have to shower so i bought four of them because i was just going to go ahead and redo all and i did i did. There's there's this is not too difficult a thing to do if you get into it. There's a couple of special tools you're going to in one of the things is something you've probably never heard of It's called a seat wrench. Okay our or seat tool of some sort. What what that is inside your plumbing. There's this little this little ring and and and it requires a special tool to kind of get it out of there. That little ring is what the is. What the rubber presses up against to stop and let the water go so so anyway that you have to get that out there. There's a little tool. It doesn't cost that much. It's just a few bucks to get the tool but if you have that this thing can take a little while or a longtime the first thing. Always turn off the water. If you'll turn on the water you can make all kinds of mistakes. And it's a lot more giving if you've got the water off some jason. You know the reason. I laughed when you said you got four is that they know me well at the return counter the big box store to because i always buy more than i need different varieties that cuts down on the number of trips that i have to go long have discussed on the show before each project is worth three trips to the the repair store of whichever you choose your local hardware. Whatever three trips. Roger this great thing when if you buy it you know if you're a member whatever if you bossed up you don't even need the receipt. Because they've got it. You know the computers keep up with that. So i'll by. I for instance. I did the railing on deck or my steps with conduit. Just galvani house conduit. Well i just bought like four or five pieces of everything. I thought i might need and it worked to and then i just returned the rest of it. Wow that's smart to do that. You know i. I did that. A lot with We order our roofing. You know i'm going to order more than i need. Nothing worse into get eighty percent of the roof done and now and now i need you know three or four more bundles of roofing. So and that's not a bad idea on on Just across the board actually. Well what i find. Is that you as an inspector. I'm going in and we see i take you. Diy folks keep me in business. You're very welcome for that. I called the wadad security off vam since since you inspect clam and jeff is the one that cleans up the house. Fires say an interest here. Well jason you sent me a picture of the electrical stuff that you you know just to graft showed whitewater erste white walkers black wires to black wires gold wires to go and i promise i did a diy. This guy's diy gonna flip this house right and i go in at the other day and he had all of the fixtures pulled off and it looked like a ticker tape parade he get connected every kind of wire every other not the right. I mean it was just Read the blast. Read folks have a reference when pam said. Hey this is what. I did over the holiday lawsuit back. A graphic from that. I had stolen from family. Handyman with is still a ton of stuff from them because they've always got really good stuff there that you can use and what this was i. The wife wanted new under cabinet lighting. But she didn't want it to be battery powered this time. She wanted to know dimmer switch and powered up and everything else so so. That's i can do that sort of thing. But i don't like to go into anything from memory. I like to look at it. Something right now to make sure that. I'm following the right directions for under cabinet lighting. The the only tricky part about that is the fact that you wanna switch on it a dimmer switch of some sort or a switch or whenever you have a switch or an interrupt or That requires a little extra thought. So so the wiring diagram. That i downloaded from family handyman was just to tell me how to properly wire up. All of those lights that go to the under cabinet lighting. And let me tell you folks. This is not a reform me. This was not a project for the faint of heart because putting in under cabinet lighting when you're putting in cabinets or the sheet rock before that is nothing. It's a few minutes. It's not a big deal. Putting in cabinet lighting win the cabinets in the wall and the back splash tile. Currently exist is quite the hammer scale. Right there yeah. You better plan that one out. You know the funniest thing about this weekend was told during the during the holiday i told my wife i said when i put that back splash in. I said that is never coming down. And i sure as heck group myself right. Hey i'll tell you what jason that you are one hundred percent correct if you got that put in over the holidays that say That's a big deal. It's a job and it's a really big. You gotta figure out where your wiring is and how to tap off of it and not tap off of the wrong thing and so you know but if you if you will follow these instructions that like you said the family handyman. Wiring diagram was not difficult. But you know when you're looking at a box when you're looking in electrical box. The wires in the picture look different than the wires in the box some time so you really just want to check and look and make sure and and the thing that that drives everybody crazy with me if i'm ever working with electrical. I'm the slowest worker in the world. I have been fast working with electrical one time in my life in a bit me in it taught me and you'll have to be taught that once or twice in your life not so yes being very very careful right right just gonna take a break but I have somebody to talk about something. That is very warm and your heart so here. We go tangles water. Here's from leon. What's go leeann. Happy new year to you guys happy new year. What's going on for you. i'm trying to have the tankless water heater put in. And the jomon is couldn't in. But he's hooking up to my galvanized pipes so we'd be running at See pvc oh wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're talking galvanized waterpipe sorry. yes now. Water plate put. That's what my house is already. Yeah i mean. He hired him to put the water heater in Then you need to hire him to change out all of your waterlines. That's that's two different tasks care. Okay one would replan the home correctly. Yeah yeah if you just told them to put in a tankless water heater then yeah he's gonna use the existing connections that that are there for your tanked water heater. Tell us why. That's not best practices jeff. Well i don't like galvanize waterpipe. i don't like it at all. And and absolutely i'm going to try to put in the budget to to remove the galvanized waterpipe and do Pecs and. I actually did that several ago when i did the updates here. It's been about fifteen years ago. And i had thankless water. Heater put in had. My air conditioner is waxing when they were given some of the tax incentives for the i guess the middle two thousand to two thousand six or seven. But i did that and pulled all the galvanized. And i'm on a crawlspace. My house was built fifty eight and installing. The pecs was not hard and i specifically requested that they do the verticals because sometimes what will happen whenever they were. They were placed those waterlines. They'll do everything they can see in the crawlspace that they won't go up into the wall kind of defeats the purpose. So i made sure that they pulled everything out and then fishing that picks up to your fixture is really not that hard with did we. We quit using the pam. I'm gonna say the seventies or eighties seventies. I'm going to guess seventies. I don't know. I okay but this this dumont supposed to be a licensed contractor shooting. He have told me that upfront. Well not necessarily if all you're requesting is the water heater. I'm with jeff. You've got to actually ask the change down now. What may be happening to the water heater going going to hang on the outside of the house or up in your attitude okay. It's a little room or something. Yeah is it gas or electric. It's electric yeah. They might do some connections they. What do they call that. Pigtail off of the galvanised. Pecs lana your supply and many fixtures. Are you going to run. Offer this electric tactless Kitchen and One bath okay okay. it's pretty good size. Yeah kitchen bath. You're going to. That's that's about all you're going to get out of a electric And obviously that's that's to twenty so your power should already be there the power so you would have to ask him to on what your water flow in house do you have good water flow to your fixtures. Yeah oh yeah very good in town so yeah very good. Yeah then you may not need to switch that out because what happens with galvanise. Is that it corrodes from the inside out and the signal that you've got problems with it as low water flow. Well i was concerned about the fact that you know it it's wintertime and the of coal and by the time the hot water get to where i'm using it that You know it takes so long to warm up. Well that's the that's the People understand tankless water heaters are not instant it. It takes a minute for the water to get from the fixture to from the water heater to your fixture. That always. I mean you're going to probably have a sixty to ninety second delay there just because it's gonna take time to get there lodging shouldn't have anything to do with that that's just part of the process. Okay because the tip the breakers and i thought maybe it was because it was overworking the The electrical too because of the cold. Water pipes no. that's electrical. You're throwing the if you're throwing the breaker you've got another issue. Yeah you got an electrical undersized or some sort of electrical now issue on now. Didn't you say he installed that. There's a good place to look right there. Yeah i'd have electric and just make sure if he is. You know because some plumbers carry electrical licenses part of what they do but if he doesn't. Because i see this all the time you'll have techs come in and they'll do work outside their scope and it's usually not right so for instance swimming pools. We inspect swimming pools. The pool will be fine and the electrical panel. Looks like popol did it. Because poll tax electric up all right a cigarette. A little tom honey. I'm get it done for you. Okay all right. We got to move on lee thankfully on appreciate it It's time for us to take a break for the first hour to today or helping plan out your year. Fixes and home improvements proper planning can save time and money. Stay tune when we come back. We're going to have a few fixes can help. Burn off some of that holiday. Wait this is going to be so much fun. You guys are gonna love this. I'm alison walker the lady auto mechanic of if you're enjoying this podcast. Try my podcast. Autocorrect we help. Steer you in the right direction with your car problems find me any podcast platform or at autocorrect dot online dot. Org welcome back. This is fixed one on. Mtv think radio. I'm jason climb who pam pilots as she certified inspector and inspect it like a girl an licensed contractor jeff. Salmon's from house works and before the break we mentioned some fixes burn off for the holiday. Wait we're going to get to that. But robert is on the line right now. I wanted to talk about that. Tankless water heater the electric version. Robert with us yes. Can you hear me yes sir. So what's going on. I just wanted to give a give a little bit of advice. I have a contractor actually and a homeowner were. They tanked water heater. That's very far away from the bathroom and kitchen and Have had trouble in the past getting hot water To my fixtures i mean even when we timed it we had one six year it literally took five minutes and four seconds to get hot. Water there Five minutes my gosh enforce excellent from your water heater feels that way so i added a recirculating. And now we get hot. Water and about twenty seconds really and pump. Okay recirculating pump. You disconnect the outlet line coming off the tank water heater you can put them on tank with also They come with a programmable time clock. So you can have it recirculating during the morning hours or evening hours. Whatever about one hundred twenty dollars super easy to install. Most people can do it themselves Did you do yourself. I did it myself but take me about ten minutes. Oh wow okay cool. Yeah so Contractor though so you don't count. Yeah i am contract for a new plumbing electrical but still is literally plug and play. I mean they're actually different version. That's an awesome awesome idea. Okay changing all the pipes. Oh yeah yeah. And i never knew that kind of thing existed. I didn't know you could speed it up. That's pretty cool anton for us. What's it called. It's eh hot water recirculating. He can get them at the big box stores Usually get him at a local hardware stores. They like that Not five minutes worth of work hundred the sink and About five minutes worth of work at the water heater. And that's it. Wow thank you. I appreciate my question and maybe jeff financer this. Can you do that on a tankless. I mean what's the point. Yeah you absolutely can't i. I would say the point for tank would be like The previous caller his complaint with it being so far that it seems like it takes it. You know to like well. By the time. I i could have washed my hands twice by the time i waited for the water to warm up so when it kicks on it just loops water from the heater. Reline and i mean you can of like when you can set it to run every fifteen minutes or you know whatever however many times a day. She's really simple. Time clock where you just click over the hours that you want it to run the segments. You wanted to run and it literally just luke's hot water through the line. So some of them come with temperature. Sensors a little bit more expensive ones. That will keep it at a certain. You know. keep the water in line for me. The the cheaper one that just pushes whitewater figure line worked out a lot. You know it was all we needed right and it works great man. I really thank you rob. That sounds really sure. I got another question on the tankless water heater. So what happens is when that recirculating pump comes on that tankless water heater comes on. Okay okay that was my confusion. Because i know on recirculating on a tank. It's just pulling the water. The hot water out of the tank and recirculating it in your lines. If it's tankless than that tankless water heaters gotta come on so that the hot water can then be recirculated correct. So i would. If you're putting on a tank with system. I would probably spend a little bit extra and get the one with the temperature sensor so you weren't just wasting gas constantly recirculating the water when it was unnecessary but again like right. We have come on from four o'clock in the morning until about nine in the morning. Because that's what everybody's getting up getting ready for showers back on awesome know four o'clock in the four o'clock in the afternoon stays on until about ten o'clock at night so just when we need with access the hot water it's circulating the water people want and not just running all the time for gas uselessly. All right awesome. Thank you very much. We appreciate robert. That's a that's a. That's a great idea. Especially if you've got a really long run from your water heater to say like a back bathroom or something of that nature to work out really great. They're wanted to mention real quick. Before we move on that you know lots of trade shows usually happen early in the year especially for the home improvement industry. A couple of are not going to be happening this year and last year. Home inspectors went to new orleans. Pam does lana neat stuff. Going on jackson home show is coming up in a few weeks. January sixteenth and seventeenth is at the new mississippi trademark building. Yes okay big pretty all right so we get to be inside of the new trademark building on this one. Okay so so do check that out. That's gonna be pretty cool. One of the things i wanted to talk about because i just fell in love with this when i read it nick. We're going to be with you in just a second all right so think about this and then we're gonna go to nick when you are doing. Diy what kind of calories burning. So like if you're diy ing something. You're putting out calories so if you stay if you stay with that and and actually do the you know do whatever. The project is all the way through. You've lost how much we're gonna find out about that and figure out what it is here in just a second. I wanted to go to nick and in well. He's got a plumbing question. What's going on nick. Well i had one question that i got to after. Yes after last. Gentlemen just got through with a Putting up on hot water system I like to know one thing own an existing systems and this is not a new house this fixing to be built on an existing system. How do you circulate the water and a single land without having to return land coming back to the hot water heater you got to have some way to turn the water to circulate water to get hot water at the location. The way you want to speak. I don't understand that. And i'm going to need one of the people that get paid to do this to do this. All right so jeff. Any ideas there. Well there is a your. Your existing water system is luke you have water coming in. You have water going out. It makes it makes a complete loop correct fail. Yeah i'm actually. I pulled up a graph on and it says the recirculating system piping in it actually shows that it goes out through the hot water and returns through the cold okay. I don't understand that. But i'm not gonna i'm wasting all your time trying to shake that out. Looks like to me. you've got to have any return well and if it okay. Think about this if you didn't have a return on that system than than what water water if you picture a waterline coming in it your cold water goes into your tank. It heats it up. And i don't care if it's over tanked it heats it up then it pushes it back out through the fix. It pushes it out to fix your own when you turn the water hot water on 'cause you've only got one man on the hot water side and when you turn the hot water own then war runs through the tank through the land and on to the speak the further you right from take longer it takes for that hot water to get percents. You're gonna have you're gonna have the warm those types of going to that far spigot type a little bit longer when you put your recirculating cup on their. You're going to go back into the cold side. Wow all right if you do that. Going to get hot water cold water and added you hook it back in circling back into it up on the hot side but it's got to make the live. I understand what you're saying and the caller before us member. He said that he put. He put the recirculating puppet. I think he said under his kitchen sink or something back and then went back to the water heater okay. Good i'll i'll buy now. My question is is is robert. Did robert come back to us here. Robert are you on the line i am. I heard that the three people that are supposed to be here. Stop talking now. it's just robert go okay. The prompt actually melts right on top of or in the case of the tank underneath but mountain water heater the one there. There are a few different types of these things. Some of them do require you to run a line a dedicated loop line all the way back to the water here. The one that i chose actually comes with a about a ten inch long Five half loop piece. It's still that you install in the so even celica furthest Fixture from the water here. So in the freeze hollered states. I would say it would be his bathroom. You go into the bathroom. Shake the pretty quick and easy loop that you install between the hot and cold water lines and yes. You do get lukewarm water through the cold winds for about three to five seconds when you turn on the cold water but that's it and Resolve the having to run a return. Line all the way back to the water. And i'm staying. I'm staying floating. we namur. i'm a i want. I got a question. I won't answer to that. I can't figure it out. And i can get a plumbing and i know chemic- why it's just the way my house was built in nineteen sixty six. It's all slab. Okay it's got. It was wide with copper all the way through nothing but cop. Cop comes up out of the sleigh up ghost to let's say it goes to an outlet anyway in house laboratory toilet kitchen in any way. It's all copper. But they use a five inch galvanized still to come out of the wall into the room. Where you put your you know your cutoff going to different textures. Why did they use a a fat having. Why did they use galvin ash number one. Because now i'm having replaced. Oh galvin nashville costs. They have deteriorated to the point that they closed up on the inside. And they ruined copper to the at at and just put farrell on it. And put the cut off on that farrell rather than us gallon. So i don't think it's cow. It's aluminum and it's probably an aluminum. Pigtail galvin lasko. I've done some of myself. And then when i had to cut into some tile that plumbing to come and do it and i had cam he said well. They did that for several years and then quit doing. Why did they do it to start. We're we're talking about plumbing. I jumped to electric all right folks. We've gotten so far in the weeds in this thing. I don't know if the machetes can hack us out but did you. did you feel you. Okay so knicks. John roberts right so we'll move. Okay nick nick. I'll help enough answer from robert that you can Move on with your project. Well i've got. I've got automatic stubs. Putting in eighty one years old. I went back where the five inch to sixty six to two thousand and twenty In the last fifty years. I won't be around when they right out again now. I'm gonna fix it. Say let's say that all right. Thanks a lot we appreciate it. Have a great day. We were talking right before that. That that You'll burn up to calories while keeping your house tiptop shape. Here's some essential. Fix up fix ups and improvements from calorie lab. Check this out building a fence building a fence like a wood fence. Three hundred and forty calories per hour caulking windows two hundred eighty calories per hour cleaning gutters to seventy two calories for our i. I don't know about that. One i've cleaned rain gutters before and that takes so many more muscles to stay on a ladder Than it does. I don't know much other things. Interior painting hundred and thirty six calories an hour chopping firewood. Three hundred and forty calories for our. That's work in such good shape right there. Because i'm chopping. John would okay well on the lawn. Three hundred and six planting shrubs to thirty eight and just regular old gardening two. Oh four so there you go are not call eight seven seven m pb ring. That's eight seven seven six seven two seven four six four yet an email here and so here we go another electrical the lights at one end of my mobile home flicker or barely light up. Changed the bulbs no difference. Could the breaker stifled the amperage or is there. More serious issue might've thought guys always go to double log neutrals. You know if you open up your box. And you've got a bunch of white wires under one lug or one screw then. It's just not getting a clear path. Try right no. I was going to agree with you. One hundred percent pam and on top of that. It's probably loose yup tight enough so you can. I mean let's go back to. Jason was talking about earlier. If you're gonna miss with electrical just be very very careful there. There's there's one other thing it could be. I don't thinks so because when you lose one leg of your power coming in you know it affects. Half of the house will say. And it wouldn't flicker so. I lean more towards the neutral the bus far and Then i am losing lake coming in. Okay say that what is it. What does that mean. Let's see joe. Homeowner he's sitting there with a phillips head screwdriver his hand. What can he do to make this better. Put it down. Put it dan. You put a screwdriver inside your electric panel. That's gonna be the last project you do. This is not something to homeowner wants handle. No okay okay. No their net now. There's things in there. That will kill you so i mean you could pull the panel and you can pull the cover. It's called the dead front off of your Interior circuit panel. You can pull that off and look at it but do not put anything inside it. Her see but pay him the problem. I have with that Unless you know what you're doing you could actually electrocute yourself pulling the panel off because it needs to come straight out if you angry little bit in newark something. Yeah def some okay. Yeah so if you need. Electrical work really really think about getting electrician letting yeah and jeff stairs. I'm sorry well. I was gonna talk about losing a leg. I think the funniest thing at a bit. If you lose a leg and ludhiana leg is an energy problem. That's not a homeless problem. That's right so if you're happens and it happens and people will call an electric and have to pay that fee and then turn around and call energy anything but if you lose power and have your house for whatever reason the lights quit working. I call you make is to your electric company. That's right now. I do want to go back to homeowner doing some electrical. I'm very comfortable. You install in the light fixture installing a fan installing receptacle. Look when it comes to going inside the your breaker box on the inside of the house or your or your service on the outside of the house. Don't do it simply. Do not do it. Okay all right and streaming advice. Great advice all right. Thank you very much you know. We have got to take a break this hour. We're going to now and we'll come back and get another caller as it happens time for another break when we come back you know some steps you should take before you start your next. Diy also the top three home improvement projects for twenty twenty old. That's going to be fun. Join us with your questions comments. You've just tell us what project you're working on. Eight seven seven m pb ring. That's eight seven seven six seven two seven four six four or send an email to fix it wanted. Mpv online dot org. Hello i'm doctor. Nancy lockridge anderson president new perspectives. A fee only financial advising firm and co host of money talks for over ten years. Money talk has been answering your personal financial questions and sharing knowledge about money management. Money talks can be heard tuesdays at nine. Am on n. p. b. Think radio podcasts can be found on our website. Money dot m. p. b. online dot org or on your smart devices podcasting platform. You're listening to fix to one on. Mtv think radio the home improvement show to help you do it yourself. I'm jason klein. Here with pam pipes as she certified inspector at inspect it like a girl and licensed contractor. Jeff salmon's from house works. If you missed any of today's program you can always listen back by podcast using any podcast app or pb public media app. If you are listening on saturday please enjoy yourself and keep going. Because autocorrect comes on at eleven. So here we go You know before the break. We mentioned the top three home and projects for twenty twenty Anybody wanna guess what they are java. According according to money money talks news the top three projects were interior painting bathroom renovations and new flooring. There's your top three projects for twenty twenty. So that's what everybody was doing during the pandemic was was getting down on those three and it was so funny jason when i looked those stats that they said a lot of those home improvement projects done in twenty twenty was a because they needed to be done and be people are just board. They were home their own. According to homeadvisor check this out Jeff i know you always find this number interesting. According to homeadvisor on average people spend eight thousand three hundred and five dollars on home improvements in twenty twenty eight thousand three hundred dollars on average. Well that's right. That's that's a huge number. Let me tell you. Yeah i. I believe that we are so busy. Right now And it's not just us. I can tell your phone rung seventeen times during the show so you guys are killing all right. We're going go to Mike and cleveland on the phone. What's up hey guys. I really appreciate your show. I like say that. Thank you and that really helps a lot. But i know so little and so i do have one question. I'm going to need some heavy duty treatment. And i'd like to know how to confirm that i've got somebody that's licensed and bonded. There's a couple of places and you're talking about for tree removal. well removing really big limbs. That are arching over my house. Okay okay and you're want someone. And i think it's a great idea that you consider someone who you can actually see insurance and bonding on their truck. This is a tree limb over your house so it's kind of important jeff your thoughts here. It's real simple. Call the contractor. That's going to do the work and ask for a certificate of insurance now trucks truck and pull it up for dashboard. that's fun. Call the insurance company and verified that the that the insurance is in fact in effect of insurance. So i i gotta realize that certificate of insurance right. i yes. Yeah and then you can go to make sure that they're bonded as well so you would go to your local municipality and you can just ask bond but but but pam let's go confuse what a bond is a lot of people are confused the bond protects one and only one and it protects the misa misa politics it it it protects your public utilities and and and the city homeowner okay. Well that's good to know. But and mike one thing you can do. I can say if you've not started yet a good place to start we. We mentioned this almost every show. You can always go to online to m. s. b. o. C. dot us. Oh i've got that already down. I i copied data on the other stuff when you were talking. Okay so. I didn't know whether i use that. Same facilitator needed another one. No you can use that on contracting for just about anything in the state and if you've got to get insurance or you know bonded. Licensed insured that whole nine yards with with a contractor. they'll be there and certainly on a tree specialists. That's going to be doing work over your home. That's the one you want okay. So i'd go to that place that you suggest that used for roofing every everything else right. Yes sir well look at. You've solved it and you guys are really good thank you. We appreciate it. Well score one for today all right. It wasn't right. Never call eight seven seven empty ring. Bill is on the line in waterford. Mississippi you are right now. This moment bill. What's going on okay. So i've got a couple of cabins that i install some water heaters Six gallon in two four gala water heaters and the problem. Is you know. I thought that You'd have adequate enough water to take showers but it turns out that once you turn on the water and the cabin just just it runs to sake and a shower It only last a very short time. Maybe people telling me. It's only two three minutes who two minutes. Maybe i'm wondering. I was listening to the caller about Circulation pump What do i need to do to get More hot water. Other than i guess. I could install a big water heater. But i wonder if the if re circulation pump would help me out. I don't want to put in a forty got to eat or something like that and just a little cabin where you you know you just write the scour and then Wash your hands and stuff like that but Is there what the re-circulation puppy thank Improve the bayamo of hot water coming to a six gallon tank recirculating some like that I need to start over and go and put in a big water tank. You think jeff pam the about think about six gallon water tank even even if your pushing out you know half a gallon permitted okay Six gallon i mean. That's not that's not a big enough tank. It's not big enough. Not don't feel a no that's right. So what what does what does what which volume of water pressure pam. How many gallon permitted. I just do not but let's say it's a quarter gallon a minute. You only have six gallons. Yeah so you're not. You're washing much. When you go through our i guess you kind of felt. This is more of a kind of camp. Sort of situation i would. This is what i would do And and i had a cabin at my Am i a place in the country I would put into tiflis on thankless inside of the building and leave the what heater in place i mean. Leave the six gallon running. I mean no. I would just. I'm with jeff. Just go tankless that. Why you're not because it sounds like you don't wanna be heating water when you're not there that's right and the beautiful thing about a tankless is that you're not doing anything so you turn the fixture on you're going to have a little bit of upfront cost bent then along yeah. You'll save a lot just by going. Tankless okay all right. That's not what bill wanted to hear but sorry that might be the answer. Thank god thank you so go by bigger. Tanked right so all right well. Thank you very much bill. We appreciate it. I hope you guys had a good time today. We got about fifteen different emails that we were unable to get to just just plain all ran out of time. These things happen. But i'm going to save them for the next episode and we'll and we'll get to him so if if you're waiting on years we'll get to fix it. One one is the production of mississippi cola broadcasting think radio is funded by the generous contributions from listeners. Like you are. 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Emin Gn Sirer - Avalanche - A Better Consensus

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Emin Gn Sirer - Avalanche - A Better Consensus

"Right now our system even as it is right now and in the wild. It's three times faster than i never thought. I'd say that nobody else can see. This coin. Radio is powered by most belt. Blockchain accelerator and multi dot. Io and we are continuing to reimagine twenty twenty. The following interview was broadcast in december of twenty twenty as part of our version. five point. oh conference welcome back to reimagine twenty twenty hawk average day. I'm glad you joined by mutant severe founder and ceo at avalanche and offs professor. Computer science at cornell. Thanks so much joining us. Thank you so much for having me on all right. Well it's it's great to have you for those viewers of ours. Who who might not be familiar with who you are. You wanna give a little background kind of you who you are and how you got into blotchy store of very quickly. I got into blockchain way before it was a thing way before the term was coined in two thousand and one thousand two. I started building a system called karma so that's seven years or six or seven years before bitcoin. i was working on a cryptocurrency proof of work. Minting in it's i believe it's the first cryptocurrency that minted coins via proof of work. So was doing something. She like things before though she was around except you know he came along six years later he improved on On a substantial portion of of what i had worked on You didn't know about my work. That's okay all the academics about my work. In case so when bitcoin start going big i looked into that further call. I found a with all of the post. Doc at cornell i worked with on for this or we found the biggest known flaw in subtle. She's consensus for something called selfish mining a scheme by which you can make more money than your fair. Share is a minor in bits going. After that i worked on the safety of coins at rest of with things. Like covenants are i worked on All of other things. layer two protocols on characterizing scale ability on characterizing decentralisation but most recently the most exciting thing that i've been working on is for the last few years i've been working on the new system called avalanche and at the core of avalanche lies a new consensus protocol. The likes of which has never been experimented with before that is a far far faster than everything else and we just went main that with avalanche about two months ago with a coin cold of ox and i'm i'm having a blast And my goal now is to just work up the layers to show the world of equivalent breakthroughs at every layer of the stack. Both the consensus layer the da- player and the layers of so. It's been a fun ride for me. Well it's quite quite the resume you have there and before we dive into what you're doing now and where you'd gotten let's talk about where you came from. You mentioned that you had a karma that was two dozen that was before even she before bitcoin and you mentioned he made some improvements upon and i just wanna ask know what. We're what were those improvements that made it so successful. What what were the lessons that he learned that. That would differently if you could. Oh oh there's so many things. I would do differently with the main thing i would do differently is i would time at better. So it was two thousand and two and published in two thousand and three. I think so. Let's see. I don't know how many of your viewers remember those days but I was very young assistant professor. I had discovered this area. I thought whoa this is really cool. And i did karma for For keeping tabs on people in peer to peer file sharing systems nude. I don't if you remember but everybody used to want to download files. Nobody wanted to cede files call. These people leeches. They were leaching off the network. You can never get people to contribute to the common. Good this is. It's a problem for for politics. Texas incentive you gotta get an economic incentive then they work exactly or the hard work they do. So i was like. Why don't they invent some like meaningless internet currency and then you know they have to pay for blocks using that currency and they have to earn that that currency by providing lots so. That was the work that i did in karma and maya might my older mentors. Professors pulled aside and said look. This is cool. It's interesting but you know nine eleven just happened. Everybody's up in arms about terrorist financing and year. You are trying to build some kind of an economy but the heck do you think you're doing. This will never get funding. This is a terrible idea for a young assistant professor. They were right. You know they. They really were right. It was a terrible time at the time for a young assistant professor. And so i kind of you know. Cooled off of the area and i went back in two thousand and after bitcoin came. What would i do differently. And what does she do differently from me so He he has one big brilliant technical breakthrough in karma. I was using what we call the classical consensus protocol. So you would've account. I would have an account and we would have these things called. Bank sets a set of nodes that keep tabs of on the that. Keep the keep track of your account balance and my account balance. They're kind of like banknotes but they're pure peer notes so that's okay and they communicate with each other using classical mechanisms of things you might find in east to all the kinds of protocols and communication. You might find an eoc and so on so this was all like very old school stuff. What sushi did that was brilliant. Is he He used the coin generation scheme based on proof of work he coupled that with the consensus protocol and suddenly he had a different approach to consensus altogether. And that's how he managed to build this thing. That's super robust karma. If it had taken off would not have been as robust so you know it would have been as robust as ripple stellar else to which in my opinion are not very robust systems. So we'll probably have been successful. Nevertheless the other thing that he did really rights though to other things seemed to make he got the timing right. He came right after the two thousand eight crash. The economy tanked. We did not end to this day. I still do not trust the people behind the economy. Lead do not trust the financial system as a result they did crashes every it's just empirically obvious that every decade you got a crash and the so We're overdue for one by the way. And then the other thing. He did that i would do differently. Is he set his sights very high. So i was going for something modest. Something achievable something humble and he was like. I'm here to undo the dollar. I am here to serve as an alternative to the usd and that is a. That's a tall order you know. What are the chances of success with that. It's it's very tough. And i know. I was a real more pragmatic i. I've always been the more pragmatic person. And so especially when i was younger and i was like look. This is in the chief -able goal. I just want to use this thing for for people who are trading files on the internet session. So i will do that differently. Always set the goals of very very high Get the timing right. And and of course. He had that one technical breakthrough. Those kinds of technical breakthroughs. Do not happen all that often. So they are just just so that the viewers know there's a crapton people out there like maybe six thousand coins out there. There are probably hundreds of projects that claim new consensus protocol. there haven't been that many new consensus protocols. All of these are the same stuff out dressed up so in short in the forty five years that distributed systems has been around for the longest time we had classical protocols then came soto. She's protocol call nakamoto consensus. So that was the second big breakthrough in forty five years. And now we have the third big breakthrough with the avalanche processes political. They've only been three big ideas in space and by the way. I'm starting to think that you are secretly. Who realized that after six years of listening to his college professors and mentors said you know what. I'm going to put this out but anonymously and your time did perfectly and you learn from mistakes but but now you've done your third grade achievements which is this new consensus now. I thought that avalanche launch with two sentence engines avalanche and snowman. You want to expand the bed. About how average sure Yeah yeah. I can't a little bit so do you want to to you. Want me to talk about how this works. i can try to make it successful. So there are really three. Approaches to consensus protocols. One of them is the classical approach. Where essentially i want to pass. I want to pass a law. Okay and there has to be some people who decide and all of the classical protocols work by collecting signatures. It's kind of like running parliaments. We on the pass. A law did a super majority of our lawmakers decide that this is a good law. And if you get just got like fifty one signatures out of one hundred senators. That's dangerous one of your senators could be byzantine. He could be. It could be a trickster. He says one thing one day says the other thing the other day then confuses the issue. And you can't tell you gotta get a super majority of these guys and collecting those signatures. Involves every senator every node talking to every other. No and that's why these things don't scale so the best classical algorithm in the best classical protocol is one that was i authored by my students. he i sent him off to the west west coast for a summer. He came back so that this was kind of cool it turns out facebook is going to pick it up and it's used for libra and the blessed protocol in that in that family is intended to be used by about one hundred validates years so mark zuckerberg an ninety nine of his best friends. So these things don't scale there really like for the fragile. They can break it. Down comes nakamoto. He comes with this mining idea labor that point there many explanations of how that works. It's an arms race. All these miners are trying to add blocks to a chain. And that's fine of so. The avalanche for the coal works is substantially different. And they'll let me try to give you an analogy. Suppose we want to achieve consensus and we're not in a tiny little senate with one hundred people of we don't even know who's in the senate okay. We're going to be. Let's say we're in the stadi- giants stadium like the one in brazil. Hundred thousand people more. Okay boasted i know some people that are you know some people. I see you with your hats in the crowd. You know that's cool gonna going and a hundred thousand of us but we don't know everybody precisely. We can't know everybody precisely. We don't want protocol that requires us to know everybody precisely okay and if we were using classical i would have to ask everybody and everybody would have to ask everybody's one hundred thousand square. That's a really large number of messages for the decisions. We don't wanna do that. So what i do is i do. The same thing. Repeatedly is a very simple thing. And it turns out this achieves consensus so here is what. So what's what's what's actually scenario here. Suppose we're trying to decide if If alice paid so there to transactions alice says one dollar she paid. she says. I'm here by paying. Bob and i'm here by being charlie. So she is doing something really really questionable. She is doing a double spent. And we as a collective should say bob. You got paid charlie. You did not or vice versa. We don't care how it turns out but we gotta pick one of these two so this protocol works as follows. I pick like three people in the audience in the giants stadium. I say yo. Y'all gonna and jimbo and jane You know which one do you favor right now should should do you think alice faye bob board. You think i was paid. Charlie and they come back with responses and a simplified simplify. Let's just say red and blue for the two transactions. They say red red blue. And i go okay. Looks to me like the crowd. Based on my sub sampled votes. The crowd is tending towards. Read right now now. I might be wrong for notes of the stadium full of blues. And i picked the three red people lena. This is what samples. So i flipped my color to what i sample and you do the same while i do this. And it turns out and this is the magic part. There is a very strong proof. That says that in a very small number of rounds. If i repeat this process we will all take the same color. Now that's if everyone's asking three people if enough people ask three random people in the crowd that majority will eventually with enough rounds. We'll get finality exactly. And it's so bizarre it's like why wouldn't it. Just be a mix of colors right but if you think about it you know. What's the worst that can happen. The worst is it's a fifty fifty mix of colors after one round of this. It's incredibly unlikely. To be an exact fifty fifty mix because of random variation. Some people will sample read. Some people will sample blue or for all one color will have a slight majority then the next round it. There'll be more of it. Why because we started with more of that color and then the next round around. It's going to be even more and then suddenly now imagine for example towards the very end if if if there's only one read left than the next round he'll turn blue for short because whoever is not going to get loose so you can see how this thing goes towards the end it speeds up a lot and then then you suddenly find yourself having converged and a so. This is a phenomenon known as meta stability we created a system that is unhappy when it's an intermediate states and when it's all one color then it super happy it takes a lot of effort vice impossible to get it numerous once. We've decided read. We're done like nothing can make me flip because all my friends i read i keep asking them. They say red. I go back to read so So that's the informal description. The math is it hairy and complex but Yeah i'm i'm sure i'm sure mathematical crazy. Probably wave way beyond way beyond this conversation but at the end the date we started off this conversation with with with the economic incentive every system needs economic incentive. You said that the the problem with government and no one wants to do good. No one wants to be cedar and so in the scenario. Where's the economic incentive. Only the people who vote the correct color get get the reward. Is that if i say and really balloons the final color i lose out whereas the naked economic sensitive to pick the right color the economic incentives come from your your investment your stake in the overall overall system so to participate. What you need to do is you need to hold some of ocsta- kits so without that then are there are two problems one is. You don't have any skin in the game and the other one is that you can pretend to be you know brazilian janas and me and my friends will will get divorced by the presence of all these guys in santa hats and and every time we ask you you can then steer us in in any kind of direction so we need to make sure that you cannot overrepresented yourself and the way we do that is by by forcing you to acquire what we call a steak and so those things are at the roots of a of a security for for any blockchain of but also a for also for avalanche because avalanches proof of system. So i don't get why. Why is this system of the breaking it down into threes or whatever the focus may be why is that better than traditional proof of stake system. Where you're you know. People have the same economic incentive taking validated. Because if you try to use any other protocol other than avalanche of it will be slower than avalanches so long for example ethereal to is a classical protocol. It takes if it works next year sometime when it works. It's going to take five seconds to make decision and in every decision there will be up to at most two hundred and fifty nodes involved and more than likely it'll be fewer than there so so that's That's that's that's that's the best to come. It doesn't scale it's scales. What you're saying is that it kicked gives you the same security as all these proven other consensus with the scale ability. I so i don't remember off hand. You probably do but there was. I remember seeing is really high. Transactions per second in really quick transaction finality types exactly right so transactions per second avalanche are We've gotten in the lab numbers as high as nineteen thousand tps but now our system even as it is right now and in the wild. It's three times faster than visa. I never thought i'd be able to say that nobody else can see. This finality is less than a second. It's about three hundred milliseconds. Which is a slow. I blinked so at the time i do this. The whole system globally across the world involving knows in australia. Russia shine a europe at cetera makes a decision. It's insane how fast it is and you can't get these speeds of while the any other protocol and The other thing to note of course is it's open. Any number of people can participate. So that's that's put puts it in a different class. So i can have millions of participants in the avalanche berlin coal and nobody else can get anywhere close and for having an honest conversation we can only focus on on the incredible pros. Because you know this. There's no downside here so what what are the. What are the possible. Risks or potential downsides because it seems like this should beat out every blockchain at all use cases. It should be speaking technical grounds. Let me let me talk to you. About the potential downsides discretion a lot there while it seems like this is just better in every way Shouldn't there be some trade off right over nazi thing they say and If you people have been you know this is very I don't know what the different people have been taught that you can't get something for nothing that got every new thing. I must have downside. And that's generally not true rights like a bulldozer is much better than a shovel. It's on every earthmoving metric. It's better has the downside that it needs guests so let me give you the downside for avalanche. It's a new protocol. it's a of the implementation from scratch and so it's brand new and we will need to shake out a lot of the corner cases allowed the unknowns of this new way of approaching consensus so if one were to use nakamoto consensus different deal right very well understood protocol and if one more to do what east to is trying to do okay. That's eath to starting to charlotte which is also not well understood. But if you're to try to do what is doing now. Does incredibly well understood. No risks there. And we're not doing that. We're doing something riskier. So there are technological risks here. There's also the risk that the proofs are flawed. Let you know we think this thing is going to converge ward because of mistaken the proof. I think this is highly unlikely but it is a possibility so there are a lot of unknowns that come with you know having built a big difference rocket and in his far faster better than all the other rockets that came before it. So that's cool. It works right now. It's been out two months. So that's kinda neat. But i do expect to see low corner cases and issues. Come up in the future and what people don't realize. This is something that often comes up in my conversations. Listen like you mentioned. This is a new protocol. And you're still working on the king. So like i always said that he was a first mover. So for for smart contract enabled blockchain. And they've been so successful. There's all these defy all values built upon it but it's exactly all that value that is hindering them in hamstring them from from innovating. Because they're scared they're scared to watch you know the skier to move all these assets onto the internet because it's so valuable if a bug if there's an issue they don't wanna lose all that value so it's actually opened up a huge opportunity for new protocols such as your own that don't burdened. Oh shit if i if i fuck up this one this one letter here. It's gonna all goes five hundred billion dollars you actually have the ability and the freedom to innovate here. So i think if a wonderful opportunity and i would say that you're truly are competing against a two point. Oh not really want exactly rights. I love heath one. Oh i absolutely loved. I consider myself an essential part of the theorem community. I was the number five most influential person in the therion. For a long time blah blah blah their whole bunch of metrics. I love ethereal. one. I think theory of to has flaws. I've told you it's alec this multiple times over the years and So i think what we're doing is is is a way to hedge. We want to make sure that if ice here to stay we want to make sure that defy grows and supplants wall st louis better technology so so yeah and we have an opportunity. We have a window open in front of us and it seems like right now. The name of the game is compatibility. Is this idea of building financial building blocks and cross train interoperability. How will avalanche play. Nice with other blockchain's we'll we'll be able to be cross chains and things of that nature absolutely absolutely. We just announced the maybe two days ago. our first of across chain bridge. So it's quite easy to to to move assets from other other chains to us and vice versa. I'm looking forward to wrapped ox on other chains to be used as collateral of. What else are we doing. We're doing a house so many things. I can't even keep tabs on what we have announced than what still in the works. But we are here to play nicely. I think one of the main things that i have is a commitment to science. And we're not maximalist. We don't think there's going to be a single winner. Takes all is going to be a fun. Area theorem is doing really well. Which i'm very happy to see defy projects scale which i'm happy to provide. They need low fees which we were very happy to provide and We are here to make sure that the space succeeds overall. And i want to pick your brain because you actually wear two hats. Not just starting to incredible portico but you're also a computer science professor at cornell And so as an educator yourself you know. I wonder how does how does one educate on a topic. Innovate so fast. How do you make a curriculum. When by the by the by the time when wrote it down in your office two by the time you get to the classroom to teach you to put on the board. It's ready dated it's ready. You know how does what teach how does what to teach blockchain when indicates quickly such a good question. And nobody really yeah. I didn't think anybody really understood my pain. I got you my man. I got you know there are really two big problems. One of them is what you said. It's changes so quickly. And we. I find myself Teaching out of the white papers of blog post that are just rolling off the shelves and the the state of practice is so far ahead of of the cutting edge of research that Deploying these contracts that are that are poorly understood and other people are pouring in billions into those contracts. So it's it's pretty risky pretty crazy. So that's one issue of but it also has its upside you know is so easy to motivate the students. You just say look you now. You're assam code. Oh you see this little problem. It looks correct right but because of a you know because they forgot swap these two lines. They lost a third of the money that they collected fifty. Three million dollars were stolen by by one person out of their house because of the dow heck and So it's really it's a. It's both a motivator and the source of excitement for for young students also a challenge for the educators. But that's good to have the educators should be challenged not the students should students should revolted the second problem which is even bigger. And this is actually a real problem is the space is so broad and an interdisciplinary. So really to really excel at at one has to have mastered computer science economics game theory mechanism design and must have a very good very good understanding of social processes so this is really hard to find and they have to understand business workflows just so hard to find a. I tried to compensate for my own shortcomings by inviting people to come in lecture and So we've had. I think cornell is consistently the school with the most number of courses and and so so that's been that's been fun and yet but keeping abreast of changes in. Excitement has not been easy. Well that accident just naturally leads me into my next question. Because that is such an important part here where the unique thing about this blockchain space and how it's evolved. It really is requires a broad knowledge. Base you need to be that cutting edge of computer science but also cutting edge of financial products and also game theory. And there's so much going on there so my question to you is actually a two-fold. Nah i guess. I'll break it a break. Them up actually the first question. I which heart of that you think is holding back. The others as in is the computer science not there yet or has no one thought of the proper financial Tool to innovate yet. Or is it the no one has has gotten the game theory there yet. What is that one aspect in this whole very broad knowledge base. That's holding back the others so until recently it was the computer science. The consensus brother calls we were using. Were just too slow. The architecture that people were using for their chains where all copies of nakamoto omotoso original work so one coin one system one virtual machine. And i think we've broken through both of those barriers with avalanche and we didn't know governance. We understand governance and So avalanches fixed. Think these three issues. So avalanches fast and scales it. It is flexible that supports more than one virtual machine and it's an enabler for other people to issue their coins on so you can use the underlying this hard work that we did putting together a consensus engine. You can just use it and build your own systems on top and and it has governance built into it so your systems are stuck with some parameters on the day of their creation. So that was that was then That was about two months ago so talk about the fast moving field sunday. We have I think we have. The technological foundations moved up. I never thought we would be faster while being decentralized than visa. We have that sort of the next problem is that we are in was oriented defies an immortal oriented game two to really accelerate defy. You have to have mastered ethereal internals and you have to know how to take your money and send it through the thirty seven different steps to get yield that you want with the flash loan in the middle and whatnot so so that's fine for us but it's just not gonna take off mainstream like that so the next level i think is going to have to be a projects that are outwards orient and from zacks since day one. We've always been outwards. I've always been out with outweighs oriented The reason why. I'm not a maximalist is because value. Trapped in crypto. Right now is tiny is less than a trillion. So it's like it's not that much money at the end of the day the amount of assets that could be traded on blockchain isn't the many digits of trillions and instead we're like we're now fighting on all these maxi's fighting over scraps table scraps essentially. Let them do it. That that's fine. It keeps them occupied. Gives them something to do. Maybe but but my eyes are set on getting into crypto all of these assets that mainstream is currently using really retrograde systems to trade. And that's going to change the world These new assets should be easy to use. That's going to change the world. The if you copying commotto calcium has done and everybody else has done. What you'll end up with is a system. That's really hard to to deal with for normal normal people and that's one of the things that we're going to be changing with the our next upgrades and avalanche coming up in the few weeks Now first off. I don't get out of bed for less than one trillion dollars. I mean what is what is less than a one trillion dollars of the two of. I think you brought up a really good point there. This idea of inward facing and outward facing and i think that you you have a really good mindset because like you mentioned a lot of people are just copying in iterating of han. What's the to- she did. Which is great and works in effective But it's also led us to this point where it's like in our in at least in my mind as a block chain crypto holder. It's like blockchain's great has all these benefits. It's decentralized and it's low transaction fees and yada yada yada but in my mind also. It's harder to us because blockchain. It's it's more confusing because blockchain but it's nice to think that can actually break out of that mold if we do things slightly differently think in really put it into work in and build new consensus models. That might not require that. So you're saying with avalanche. Be get to that point. Because i think for the mainstream adoption really to happen. They can't do that. It's blocking it doesn't have to matter that blockchain the mainstream does not care what technologies behind the scenes. They don't care about the idol logical reasons behind it. They just want a system. That's quicker faster. Is you're better and so. Are you going to be able to do that. With avalanche is being built in a way that you don't need to have crypto knowledge. You don't need to jump through hoops in loops and well exactly so arthur c. Clarke has this squad as as many people now that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. And like you said. We will have succeeded when people are using these systems based on blockchain's without realizing that they're using a system based on the blockchain. So if you have to install madame ask if you have to worry about fees if you have to worry about a fee that's too low and sawn than you we've already lost the game and the avalanche. When we came out two months ago we came out with a with a essentially. A solid foundation is bu but i think we came out with a that's inherited quite a bit also from you know the bitcoin model but what we're going to do in the next. Few weeks is a new upgrade. That's going to fundamentally change. A few things. It will be possible to bring up a note and connect to the latest state of the blockchain in the jiffy. So you come up. And it's not like multiple days of sinking up to the blockchain. It just happens like this. And you're caught up where you will not have to worry about fees. The fees are just going to be predictable and and they should be low for a long time to come Because of the high speed of the system so these two factors put us in a very very interesting territory. I think because suddenly you can use these things interact with them without having to worry about about a fee without what the fee level ought to be you know how long it takes to connect to the system and so forth. So so yeah. We're making a lot of progress on those fronts. I also was the one who added to blockchain's the ability to withdraw funds after a theft. So if you come and take my funds. I can recall them from you But if i do make a payment to somebody than i cannot take back my payments so this is something called covenants again work with. It's a all who is now a professor at the at the technion and and so these are the kinds of things that are necessary for For general adoption people want to be able to say. Hey look. I pressed the wrong button or whether want to be able to To not impact finality but also be able to compensate for mistakes so there are a lot of usability improvements that we can do that idea of being able to get back the thefts but not the purchase. It was the one that built upon that someone has to input a code within a certain timeframe or the transaction reverts. Exactly that's executive like it's it's called covenants exact very smart solution when i when i read i. I saw the headline open revert. Now you allow each transactions through it was also. Bitcoin transactions as well and i was like i was like i'll click on this and then that's a really really smart resolution so i i tip my hat to you. That's that's that's a really really clever. And i hope that gets more adoption that condoms. Who comes to the standard because it does provide a great fix and easy. Fix a four for this At this point does it have to be manually. Inputted the the the password free transaction. No they want to be. So there are multiple implementations of this so use these covenants to build vaults and there are multiple volt implementations. The typical ones are like when you put your coins into storage. You vote them when you take them out. Then you take the nothing. Everything is good if somebody steals the coins in your volt. That's the only time you do something special you go in and say hey that guy i know something. He doesn't take the coins back from him. You just stole them from the very cool. So yeah i do love that nine. I appreciate you constantly. Innovate i just talk about blockchain. But you're actually building a part in creating and improving it. So i appreciate it. You want to talk about You didn't mention that you're also proving on avalanche. You have the first major update coming apricot. A believe it's due out next what should use expect off from medford so it's going to be mostly transparent of so they will not notice thing if all goes well and i hope will go well of following apricots. They should see incredibly improved sink. Times some nodes should just come up and and immediately sync up of following apricot. They should also notice that. Fees are dynamic and and change based on usage of the blockchain and and that the fees are predictable for long periods of time. So that's going to be a And also of there. There are other some other surprises in there as well. I don't want to reveal just yet but but related to ease of use of the chain. They should be able to interact with the chain without realizing that they're interacting with the chain. So and yeah that that feat that fees. A ideas really great. I mean i as the price of bitcoin explodes. Then more just regular people a newbies fomo in my brother the other day he bought. You bought a crypto for the first time and i was trying to buy some on using union soi for theory and he set the transaction and he said i never went through or went through hours later. I said well how much how much transaction fee do you put. He's like what do you mean and it just this idea of like there's just too much it's great for power. I do like the idea that there is the option for us power users in adopters to be able to to to put in our fees wine in really have power but if he wanted to go mainstream if you want just regular people to use it you cannot overwhelm them with options and overwhelmed them with settings an fees and so that is a great idea as well. You know one last question. I because i do think that you're uniquely able to answer this. We spoke a little bit about the idea education. And that's really what this conference is about. The blockchain education alliance is about we. It's really important to know the more we educate the public about this unless we have to dumb down the proudest but also it's good in the helps then use it as well and it helps adoption. I'm so when we're talking that in today's world whether whether you're pro were against it the the main source of education as it stands traditionally has been formal education in higher education as universities. And so right now if you're trying to to educate the i don't know the masses. They were educated. Use about blockchain technology. Do think that is best. Taught in educated in a formal setting versus non formal setting and then on top of that if it is a formal setting because it's so broad because we mentioned all the different aspects and disciplines that required do think that it should be its own degree or should it be a class on offer for hey. I'm a computer science student. And i want to take an elective. So i'll take a blockchain. Clap yeah good questions. So i generally think that formal settings provide the best infrastructure for efficient learning. I know that It's not because of the education in educators. What have what the educators to. It's because you have a support infrastructure and you have a set of colleagues that that are at the same level as you are That are going through the same same s- process with you to whom you can be like. Hey yo i'm stuck here. How do you do this. How what what does this mean etc so. That experience is invaluable. Every time i learned something you know. I know how hard i worked to learn things on my own versus how hard you know. How much less. I had to work when i had people learning the same material with me. So i'm always in favor of structured settings of and It's because of this. This peer group peer support network that forms and the s four degrees. I don't think yeah. I do believe that. Of course as i said blockchain's our supervisor disciplinary of. But i'm not a big fan of any any field branching out on its own unless it's really really big so i don't believe in the blockchain degree i think one should get a computer science degree or an economics degree or a math degree You know whatever the case might be but But the blockchain degree sounds to specific Most people end up not working in the field that they thought they would when they were years old. But you start out at eighteen. i don't add. I thought i was going to work in computer science. Which i do now. I thought i was going to work in operating systems. I'm now often cryptocurrencies. Everybody else i know has done. Career changes what you want to be in. Command of is a large large area near the big spectrum of tools that you can bring to any problem so learning about locking fantastic. You'll end up learning about mechanism design about econ about math about About distributed systems. These are widely very useful. Going forward But specializing in the this to the exclusion of other material. I think is a bad idea. So it's like designing a balanced meal right so we love our. You know crazy failed. Diet right now maybe But it's things change so you should have a more balanced diet when you're in school. We've sampled every food and then later on. You can specialize if you like. I mean i really appreciate you taking the time to tell that. You're a skilled educator as well as valuable very knowledgeable in the field potentially so she. I don't know i'll let your viewers a decide that but i mean i really appreciate you taking the time a helping kind of explained kind of both the background and the basis for what makes of work as well as a unique solution avalanche very excited to see what comes from it. Apparently there's no downside. So i'm excited the hop board. I'm going to get an early. I'm getting an early people. Talk about bitcoin and a dollar getting avalanche. 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Trial by Media: the case of Millionaire Bob Ward

The First Degree

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Trial by Media: the case of Millionaire Bob Ward

"Thank you for listening to this podcast. One production available on apple podcasts and podcast. One. The two things that I spend most of my time thinking about our true crime. Obviously, you're listening to this podcast and also how to look young forever. I wanna be Benjamin button. And that's why I love one of our sponsors, higher education, skincare, they just sent me a package of products and I am of sussed with them. So if you've never heard about them before they have products that are specifically formulated for jen's e girls. So that's us. Sorry, Billy all their products are backed by strong science, and our cruelty free paraffin free, gluten free and dermatologist approved and they have super cute packaging, and really cute product names, like study, buddy, easy, a and make out ready. And they have this amazing vitamin infused higher education cram session cream. 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But it's really, really hard to see summer take your data way. And there's nothing you can do about it. Hey guys, welcome to the first degree the true crime podcast that you might end up on. My name is Jack Vanak. I'm sitting across from Alexis linkletter and next to Billy Johnson, who has a son fancy pair of socks on because it's not. No socks day anymore. It socks day, but you know what it is? What is that is that it's happy nylon? Stockings day, do with that. That's just like a sock. Thinner sock. It's just an extremely shittier locks for your whole lower, happier body. Yes. Of course I was going to bring up. He wanted to connect it to something related to that. Yeah. The Boston strangler who used nylon stockings to strangle most, if not all of his thirteen victims Alpert to salvo was convicted of this case, there is some controversy as to whether he was actually the, the Boston strangler or not. He never killed in prison. He did then he didn't. I don't know if he actually confessed or not. Yeah he did. And he also made like he was a weird guy. He actually made chokers. He did. Merch. He did his own Marci. He made chokers in jail. Now. Did he sell them to the outsiders? Can you do that? I don't know. I don't know how he did it. Maybe somebody. Yeah. Hey, you know what? If we ever get merged. She's very busy. You make the merch I'll make barely come. We didn't even know if it was gonna make you. We were like planning the day. We're like, oh, you bring this, this is the time, and he just doesn't respond where like I hope he's coming, and then he's just like I'm here, but he wasn't okay? That's enough of the banter, let's get into our case. Alexei elects asks pass not going on a shirt. Today, we're going to examine a concept that everybody's familiar with whether they know it or not, it's a phenomenon that has become so normalized to everybody. A term. We all know this concept of trial by media and generally, when cases fall into this category, we have opinions on the defendant's guilt, despite the fact that each defendant, has the right to a presumption of innocence, and we make opinions on these people's guilt, based on very little information based on very skewed information. Exactly, you basically have nothing about the investigation about the jurisdiction handling of the investigation about this person at all. But based on how the media feeds you the information you make a determination on, on almost nothing, right. And we see it all the time, we see it with Michael Jackson OJ, Casey, Anthony. And it's problematic for a lot of reasons. Media attention to a certain degree. Can make guilty people go free innocent people? Be convicted. You know, it's, it's just very problematic, and we're gonna just go over the implications of these trial by media situations using a specific case as our kind of case study. Right. And Billy wanting you explain how we got today's kit. Okay. So today's case came to be, I'm in the, the group drinker Reno's, which are murdering knows from by favorite murder. This woman wrote to me and the drinker, Reno's Griffin the trigger and his group is all people that talk about drinking, and it's, it's actually a really really great group of people very supportive of each other, and I gave somebody who had their first hangover, she's like, what do I do? And I, I my, my advice on how to cure a hangover I said, greasy food, etc. Pedialyte or Gatorade, ice, Gatorade and. I hope it worked. I don't know. I don't know. But anyway. Calibrating. So those are the drink arenas. Okay. This woman, contacted me within the drink around a group and said, can you cover this case, I felt it was perfect for our podcast here. So let's dive into it. Okay. Anyways. So. Sara is he reached out to us, and we are designing this episode with her experience in mind? It's going to be different than the others. But I think it'll be one of our most compelling because this case is stranger than fiction, so on the evening of September twenty first two thousand nine at eight pm Orlando police dispatcher received disturbing nine one one call. So police were dispatched immediately to the scene in question. The pulled up to a five point two million dollar seven bedroom nine bathroom home in Isleworth subdivision near Orlando, the same community where Tiger Woods Shaquille O'Neal in Arnold Palmer live. This is like a really upper yet very rich neighborhood. Obviously a five point two million dollar mansion. So when they get there they discovered a millionaire named Bob ward, standing outside on his phone, and he was the one who had made that schilling nine one one call. He advised the officers that his wife Diane was in their master bedroom. And no one else was inside the house. So at the scene, the police are observing things they see broken glass red stains on the patio the house, and the also notice red stains spattered on the back of Bob ward shirt upstairs near the north wall of the master bedroom, laying on her right? Outside was the dead body of his wife Diane ward, and she had a pool of blood around her head. She had a visible at hall on her forehead, and there was a gun that was found in a drawer of a bedside table. Bob was very calm. He explained to the police what happened. He told them that he walked into his room to go to bed for the night. Emma meshach to find his wife. Diane holding his three fifty seven magnum and she was threatening to kill herself. And then he said the gun accidentally went off when he was struggling to get it away from her. So as Bob was being questioned prese believed when they listen back to the nine one, one call and they listen to his account of events. I mean he said, one thing when he was at the house, and then he said, another thing at the police station. They believe his story was changing. But if you listen to nine one one call. He says, like I shot my wife, but if he thinks he wrestles it out of their her hand like I understand, you can't really take that as super literal necessarily takes up as, as a midst of guilt fashion. Right. And so, I think that's what they're doing in this case. Right. So the police didn't believe that Bob seemed upset enough about the death of his wife and. He seemed most concerned with damage control with his two daughters. Mallory and Sarah in, they were both away at college. And this is like the middle of the night. So when the police then asked about the stains in the back of his shirt, Bob asked is it blood? Or is it wine? And I think that's interesting because you would if it was want, you know, I think that says innocence to me, I don't know what do you how do you interpret that? Not knowing what it is, is kind of interesting. But anyways, it's neither here nor there. He then asked to speak to his attorney in the number wasn't a cell phone. They gave him his blackberry, and he called Liz green, but she's not a criminal attorney, but his bankruptcy attorney the integrity of this investigation. Bob's subsequent trial was really just hijacked by the media, and we're going to give Bob's daughter Sara, the platform that she's needed for a really long time to share this experience from her perspective, because I think what a lot of people don't realize in Casey, Anthony's a great example, these media firestorms don't just affect the defendant, think about what happened to Casey Anthony's parents. Oh my God. I believe Casey's Anthony's guilty, but her parents didn't necessarily deserve what they have ABS. Absolutely definitely. Exactly, so guilty or not. I mean other people get dragged through the mud and it's a it's a problematic kind of thing that occurs. My name is Darah wardrobe. I am Bob ward youngest daughter. I really want to be able to tell my dad story because I think for the past ten years, it's not Ben told appropriately. The media has turned him into some kind of monster has tranged this story into something that it's not. And we've never really gotten our fair shot to tell our side was somebody who will actually listen and take the time to understand who we are. Instead, it's just. Bob word kid, then there, mashed, and he has all this money. And it's not. That's not who we are as a people at certain who we are now or share and it's not who we were then. And my dad is an amazing person, and I want to be able to tell our story. So we're giving, Sarah, the pot form to address not only the media coverage. But also some of the circumstantial evidence that the prosecution was completely fixated on that they built their case on and ended up convicting their father on the murder of her mother. Diane and some defendants in cases that become this crazy media firestorm are undeniably guilty and some of them are innocent, but there is always damage that this kind of coverage can result in and, you know, we've seen it with Jayne Casey, Anthony, but also happens with innocent people, when it totally sabotages people's ability to get any sort of fair trial. Oh, yeah. Like you're never gonna find a juror. Or that's like I'm bias. Yeah. And so imagine Cirrus position this, too. It's like this is her mother and father what an impossible thing. So, of course, the first thing we asked her is how she heard about this. She was asleep at college when this happened. Her dad was terrified upset over the idea of telling her how did she find out? And what did she think? On September twenty second really early in the morning. I got a call from my sister. It was maybe six thirty my sister and I were both on athletic teams in college I was on a writing team. I saw Carolina and my sister was on the squash team. I Washington, and she had called me in a panic saying that I had to call caller auntie policy airy. She is my mom's sister. So I called her, and I was just told there's been an accident. I wasn't told any specifics, I was told the pack a bag and I had to get down to Jacksonville. And then they had a house in St Mary's Georgia, which is really dealt, Georgia. Honestly we just bounce around phone calls for a while. And I had no idea. Then it was we can't find your parents. We don't know what's happening. I was not told what had happened and I was told don't look at the media, which was super weird. Because in my mind. Just my parents are missing, which is also super strange. The whole thing, honestly, was such a nightmare and made it so much more. But it needed to be. But. Finally, my aunt told me that my mother had been shot, but didn't tell me she had passed. And I have not heard from my dad. I kept trying to call both my parents and finally, my sister called me, and I just asked her we'll is she dead. And my sister to be the one that said, yes, she was dead. And at that point, I still had no clue what had happened. I didn't even know. My dad was in custody until about ten AM, and that was when they had finally arrested him. I believe they just kept him in custody for a while. So they made a huge deal about the way my dad presented it to us. And in his defense, he wanted to do it the right way to kids me our world was about turned upside down, completely, and he wanted us to be told in as general as possible, and I am incredibly grateful for that, and it was my sister. I mean it didn't work out that way. But the fact that he wanted it to was really important to vote about. One of the most annoying nerve wracking and frustrating things is looking for new apartment or new home, and I actually used this tool website when I was looking for my new apartment. So I'm so glad that apartments dot com is sponsoring the first degree. So apartments dot com is the number one rental search site with the most listings of apartments, condos townhomes and houses. They have everything and apartments dot com has the cutting edge search tools to help you find your perfect place with ease apartments dot com. Verifies all their listings, which means they worked to keep up all the information and pricing up to date. So you're not wasting your time you can spend your time having an apple spritz on a rooftop, like I do apartments dot com has custom search tools, if you're looking for something specific like a pet friendly home or commute friendly. They have all their search tools on hand. So you're not wasting your time. So go check out apartments dot com now and change your apartment, change the world. One thing that the media really harped on was some of the things Bob said or didn't say during some of his questioning sessions, his interrogation sessions. What have you after he was brought down to the police station? What? Okay. I have two kids in college. But we probably need to go away right here. It was an accident. And. Tell you more about it later. But, you know it was a very tragic accident. So this is the kind of case that newspapers and local media dream of it's, it's, it's rich people and murder, if it is murder, if her as an accident, but still, they're just like we're all about this. That's why Jon Benet is one of the biggest cases we've ever seen Menendez Menendez when they are rich. It's something that particularly it's there, there's a voyeuristic aspect. That's a lot more interesting for the media than if it's somebody that is even even just middle class normal per. So Bob ward. He's a wealthy commercial real estate developer, and they had homes in multiple states. They had two beautiful daughters, Sarah and Mallory. So this development where this occurred is the same one where the notorious tiger. Woods. Elon car crash slashed golf club incident incident occurred. Yeah. So the big four ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox News and CNN, and they are Landau sentinel, who did a series on the saga Atlanta Constitution, Florida TV stations, even the UK mirror as their want to do, they're going to jump all over this tragedy. And they did. They were expecting this to be like, vinick, st-, Jon Benet pretty much made it. So right now, one report stated for. Begum quote ward was an upbeat mood and very relaxed when detectives talked to him at the Orange County sheriff's office headquarters on the night. His wife, Diane was shot and killed even though ward had blood on his shoes. He smiled when he was told his wife had pronounced had been pronounced dead. He side, how irresponsible is this? Never. Really, that's why we put that excerpt in there just to show like this is that is not straightforward report. It and know that is that's like a nice fictional. Who's to say? What a smile is like, you know, people smile when they're uncomfortable people smile when they're like, oh, my life. Like I just think it's so you know, you don't look at this until you're presented with somebody's actual experience. Because you hear this reporting and people just believe it, and then you're like, oh, what a purely Cal callous asshole. Yeah. So it seems that the police had essentially arrested Bob because they said the facts were lining up in a story. Like I said that a story change multiple times. And but really the primary reason they believed he was guilty was due to how his behavior was calm collected and really not being concerned, much with other than how children react to the news. And that is odd to people. I mean he didn't seem distraught over his wife other than. It was a horrible accident and kind of mortified over it. But he it is strange. No. And I had asked you this question earlier, because I was listening to the nine one one call. And I'm like it was weird. But then, again, you have to think about how everybody handles grief shock and loss. So different about things about the biggest cases are, but thing, but the biggest cases that we've seen Amanda Knox. She was doing cartwheels she's being weird. Grabbed boyfriend kissing her boyfriend. She was innocent. Yeah. Damien echols. Basically, just kind of like giving the finger to authorities in being all kind of like metal and punk rock and he was innocent. It's just the like you don't know how you're going to react to this stuff. And those are those are people that weren't actually there. This guy was right there when it happened. What this is that if he did it, don't you think he'd be trying to act sad to put on an act like oh shit. I need to cover up what I've done better, at least, like surp- service, freaking out. I think he was just being authentic. Yeah. Like, otherwise, if he was calculated if he was a psychopath, who killed his wife, he'd be like got to play the part got beat sad husband. A tear feel like he's just like a type a brain where he's the children fares in I gotta do that, like need to call off, like his grief. I don't know because I think if he had done it, he would have been trying to act either way, again it's like you just don't know how your brain is going to react to things that are very. Very like overwhelming like that. For example, it hap- I was listening to a podcast yesterday and this woman walked in on her children dead. Her husband, killed them, and she was on the phone line, one in did not know her address it had lived there forever. And it's like when you're rain shuts off when you're in a status shock, you stop being aware of how you're being perceived. I think you're kind of like when you're. Oh, I'm assuming your emotions either, get skewed or dwindled or whatever because it's a fight or flight kind of thing with Shaq. Absolutely your goes into this shut down. So I think, yeah, judging somebody on how they are dealing with an immediate. Like like with a traumatic thing. Yeah. On fair. So I heard the nine one one call pretty thing after I found out that my dad had been arrested and even I had no idea what was happening, honestly. My dad is having issues at the company at the time I thought that someone had come in and shot my mom from my dad's competitors. I did not think anything like this time. So when I found out he was arrested in the fourth after everyone don't look at the news. The first thing I went was looked at the news. And I think the first article that I saw with titled Bob ward, and then quoted I just shot my wife this was after I had spoken to my coach and had left, my dorm, my team, I was given a lot of Vanak to calm down, which wasn't great. I wasn't. Thinking straight by that point. So this is the first time I've ever admitted that to anyone other than my family. But when I saw that I thought he was guilty. And I know that and I know how much he loved my mom to this day and loved her. She was an is his soulmate. And I know you didn't do it, but you're reading in the news something he struck and it just as I just dropped my wife and then talked about how he's built being a terrible person. And there's pictures of him in handcuffs thought you'd think about and I may maybe ten minutes later, I was like, wait a second. This is completely insane. There's no what he would do this. And he didn't we jumped on that, quote, I my wife and I don't blame them. I mean don't guilty to me for sure. But the phone call actually about ten minutes long and they didn't talk about how my dad had in a panic accidentally dial four one one instead of nine one one and he said, there's been a horrible accident, something happened. I then shot. I mean he went through everything before he said that finally they transferred him over to the number one operators, and still, I mean, it's been a few minutes at that time until no one was coming. He was not getting any answers to win help would arrive. And finally, he just blurt out. I just shot my wife next. And you know you can. I mean. Styron's Brin driveway. He said that everyone's oh, shit sorry they're like, well, oh my God. He's got something serious here. But I mean that minute and you never, ever know you're going to react in any kind of situation. So soon as I heard the entire call takes threats to my family and there's no way he would ever do that. He was in shock, so finish she was shot, obviously, he knew she was dead because of that. But there's no way you can survive dot and he wasn't getting any kind of help, and he's sitting there it happened in the master bedroom. She invited the foot of at their bed, and the love this life. He just wanted help and no one was giving it to them. So to the shock of everyone who knew the couple Bob was indicted for secondary murder, everyone was horrified. The cops roped off the word home to search for physical evidence. Okay. I was told about just how savy the house was after my dad was released on bond. So when he was combined, I actually dropped out of school, but at the master to spend time within the house that we lived in Isleworth big house that used to be on Arnold Palmer's house. It's in a really beautiful nice neighborhood in Windham here, which is in Orlando though when the cops. Heard, you know all there's a murder, and I'll work it was a big thing, so after they, they take in, they put him in the cop car. They went through the house, and they start finally analyzing the scene. Well. You know, a month or two later, we're going through all of our bills, and stuff when we were finally allowed back in the house. They had rented porn on our TV, and we haven't times damned in it was after my dad had already been in custody. The only people that could have done it were crime facts was there, and they stole thousands of dollars in cash for my mom's purse, they still thousands of dollars in jewelry. The health had an elevator in it, which they busted up. They took a hammer to are really nice grill outside ruined bat. I mean, they trashed this house, and there was no reason for it. They also missed evidence. There was another one glass that they did not find that I found later from that night that matched the y you acid, they said my mom's through my dad, which didn't have, then she trip it was another bushes on next to the girl that they broke. I mean they just went out. I mean they still purses tool ratios sunglasses cash. They just trashed it. I don't care about the cash unfair about the house. I care about my mom's belongings with important to me. But the fact that they went in our watching porn is insane. I don't know why they would do it. I mean, I'm sure. As the point. I mean who knows? But that's probably they were there late at night had nothing else to do as tracking. Now they claim they were looking for drugs. My parents have never been involved in drugs ever. I mean, there was no proof of that at all also. Why would that buzzy? Just, hey, hammers to stuff. I don't get that first dealing things. I mean, they could get away with it, it was cashing my mom's purse, you know, we can't prove the cash was there. You know it was there 'cause she kept about ten thousand dollars in cash, who needs that much on them, as I don't understand it, but she did? And we all knew it. So, you know, there's no way for us to prove that. And the jewelry do have like a list, and everything that was insured. So we know that the jewelry was stolen, but we couldn't do anything about it because the copper after after the body was removed we had a parrot cat one cat and four dogs. They would not allow us to remove the animals from the residents. We had a friend in Orlando maller, and I hadn't gotten there yet that was willing to take them all in, and they let them in the house. They wouldn't let us come get them. They did let our friend go in and feed them through the garage, but they wouldn't let us take them out of the house and not just screams contamination. To me. I mean they're running all over the place running through the crime scene. Wow. Right. And I think what's interesting in, in so frustrating, probably for Sarah in Mallory is that they're finding out about things like this. Their dad is in custody. Their college age kids like they have no one to advocate for this investigation into help. Draw attention to this, these mishaps in this investigation. 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If you like the first degree you're going to love creating confidence with Heather Monaghan on podcast, one each week, the bestselling author and entrepreneurs is down to help you create your confidence pursue your dreams and leapfrog, the villains, you'll meet along the way download new episodes of creating confidence with Heather Monaghan every week on apple podcasts and podcast. One. So the evidence that they did end up having was not that much. There was no trace of gunshot residue on. Bob's. Hands only Diane's prints were on the trigger. Bob San was on the barrel, which supported his story that he took the gun out of her hands after she fired the shot. And it was later placed on the nightstand. Which is where it was found. And a lot of this evidence was circumstantial, and they were fixated on Bob's demeanor. In what he said in that nine one, one call. So the police start to dig into the lives of Diana, and Bob ward, and they learned that he was being sued by insurance company, that accused him of taking more than twenty million dollars from the sale of lots and subdivisions. He was building in Tennessee in two thousand seven now this insurance company, which had issued these bonds for the subdivisions said ward was supposed to use the money to improve the subdivisions. But instead, he used it to pay off debts and actually went on a spending spree, including using the money to buy that eight thousand eight hundred square foot mansion and I'll worth, but something caught their attention. Diane was slated to be deposed in those lawsuits three days after the incident occurred. So they immediately pinned on that. And I said, wow, this could be motive for murder. Listen, they're searching for a motive they were watching this guy. They saw the blood on him. They saw what his demeanor, they heard the nine one one. Call. So they're going in saying this guy did it. Yeah. So now they're trying to prove they're looking for something. And where can we find we find motive and then they say, bingo, it's like you can get case around anybody for anything in the polices defense. It's usually the husband, it will usually is in. That's the thing it's in you can't you can't fault police for not having an open mind, but nine times out of ten to odds in their favor that it is the husband one, it's not. Yeah. Sure, but this seems obvious. And that's the problem with that, like this seems like an obvious like open shut thing, but it's clearly much more convoluted than what the media has portrayed it to be. And that's really the point here. Then the police interviewed Bob boards. Brother-in-law Glenn stare. And Glenn was married to Paula who's Diane's sister. So Glenn told investigators that Bob had not received a paycheck in more than a year his in-laws lived in. One of his developments in Georgia and ran the homo homeowners association there. And he also told the investigators that Bob had repeatedly said that he should put a gun to his own head to get the family out of the financial difficulties that he created. But told investigators he didn't believe Bob or his wife, Diane would ever do anything to hurt themselves in Bob never said anything about wanting to hurt his wife or showed any aggression or anything like that towards his wife in this is technically the wife's family. Yeah. So if anyone was gonna throw under the bus, it would be them. He also said that ward, Bob ward, put it with things from his wife that Sarah would not have put up with. But he didn't really elaborate on what that meant. Guess what? My dad was. I mean he was worried. He was concerned scary things changing. But it wasn't the end of the world. There was definitely more stress, but my mom walked it. I mean, she was I see her for weeks at a time fell into this crazy depression. She was drinking, and she always drank, but I mean this was. I didn't want her coming to show that it will my friends, it was embarrassing. And I didn't realize. She was on area presence. I knew she was on medication because I had to remind her like take your pills, but I know what she was on. And I knew she would take magic and forget, he took them into them again, or just take them again for fun. I, I don't know. But I mean, I'm nineteen in my world, I'm like, well, parents know, best, though, she's doing whatever invest for her, and she was devastated about this happening. And she from nothing to the fact that. I think having money was the big thing for her. She was very. And my mom was a lovely woman. I'm grateful. I love her miss her. She was my best friend, but dictator hard, this was rough and developed its lifestyle around Shelvin workers. Go and. Golf blacks and wine and drink, and watch, and everyone wanted to hang out, Diane, I mean, it was it was fun, my style. And I don't think she wanted to leave that. So here's some info about how Bob had made his millions. He was the CEO of Landry sources in managed to hundred fifty employees. Oversaw the development of thirty five subdivisions in nineteen resort style communities, including the one near the Cumberland island national seashore. The thousand acre Cumberland, harbour marina complex is built after years of legal battles between developers and environmentalists in Georgia. And they moved from Atlanta where they had met years before in two thousand seven and Bob's company land resources relocated there. And the company eventually was forced into chapter eleven bankruptcy protection and this actually plays into the motive for the media as well. And how how you can paint this guy's available. Yeah, let's remember when, when this was going on. What was going on at this time we're seeing the financial downturn because of the housing crisis. Yeah. And everybody was looking for a villain for this to two months later. He switched that filing to chapter seven. Which also led to all liquidation of all the company act assets. And then during that time of the filing he told the Atlanta Journal constitution that it was because of the real estate downturn. He said he wasn't making enough money on sales to complete promise projects, and, and he was selling the assets, which is, which were valued at one hundred fifteen point two million dollars, according to the bankruptcy records and the Atlanta Braves actually were were one of the company's creditors. So you're seeing this as a potential perfect villain for the media. You're we're, we're in this in this, the awful recession one of the worst that we've seen in our lifetimes. And let's let's get one. One of these guys exactly in so throughout all of this throughout the scrutiny, he was facing and after his arrest, he maintained that his wife was trying to kill herself. He would not bend on that he was he conviction in, in this story in the reason cited for the depression in subsequent suicide attempt that Diane was experiencing was this financial instability that they were facing. And although they were still living in their five point two million dollar home. They were bankrupt they hadn't made a mortgage payment in almost a year in their mortgages, seventeen thousand per month. Oh, gosh. So, you know, like Billy said, made his, he made his riches near the height of this real estate, boom. And it was there was a massive quick downturn and some people take that kind of stuff harder than others. In the reporting, I saw which I'm not sure we can trust. But a lot of. Bob supporters said he was just totally upbeat about it. And that's I n was not taking it. Well. And you know everyone handles differently. My dad worked really hard to take care of family. I didn't really know much of this is happening because she was away at college and to this day. It's like I didn't even know any of this, but I remember one time it was around thanksgiving. My dad was living in Florida. Because the company had moved to Florida my sister was at school. So it was just me and my mom, and it had been week since I had seen her, and I'd taken that your office school. And I didn't hear for weeks and called my dad, she'd to be a mom. I don't know what's going on. But I haven't seen her and he didn't know she was gone. It was weird because she was still answering the phone for him. So he didn't know anything was up. And then we had a really hard time. And then by the summer, she kind of calm down a little bit. She backed off drinking red wine. And then the week before she died. I saw her drinking red wine again. And when she didn't grow wine, she got nuts, like I mean, she was in four bottles easy. It was crazy. And. I just remember her checking red wine at that horse show. I saw her before she died in my best. Not right. Like she's doing that. An autopsy was conducted on Diane, and they determined that. There are two kinds of antidepressants and wine in her system. And these were drugs that you weren't supposed to be drinking on the gunshot wound was essentially between her eyes on her forehead area. They opted to not conduct tests like taking samples from under her fingernails, but they said this decision was made because there didn't appear to be a struggle. But the crime scene analyst did say that there was a struggle on the patio the home so there there is a contradiction there. The medical examiner classified the death is murder thinking that would it would have been difficult for Diane ward to have shot herself, citing that the gunshot was said to be fired from eighteen inches away. What's another interesting thing, just on the heels of that is that what I read a lot too, was, they were so fixated on the fact that women do not shoot themselves, and they were like women. Don't shoot themselves and they definitely don't do it in the head or in the face. Ace wrote, but they're not taking into account his story where it's like made on this. It was a struggle in the gun went off in. Of course, she idiot wasn't. She wasn't pointing the gun to our forehead like on purpose. Kind it was. Oh my God. She killed herself. It wasn't. When it first happened. All of this has been an accident. There's just there's just been a non Senate for some reason she was playing with gun. My mom did not like guns. She, she likes having them for my dad to have protection, but she didn't like the handle them. So I was like, well, that's weird. But and then it started to kinda dawn on me. She was really angry at my dad. She was really angry. She blames the company taking on him and everything that was happening on him and really nothing that bad happening to us. We were going to be fine. But she's angry at him. And I remember seeing, I remember. You know that. Like I said that summer, she is genuine red line, but I remember coming home one time, and she slammed the door in his face blue passing on the car and drove off. I mean she's just been screaming how to she was really angry. So. Honestly, what I think happened is. I know happened, this part is she got drink way too much took way too many bills, then know what she was doing. And I think she tried to kill my dad and then try to tell herself. And then. And. My dad is we all. Are we all handled done marrying her whole life? And when you are someone facing with the gun, you know, you grab the wrist and twists. So in my dad's mind, you probably thought that he did something wrong at first, but he was. Holding a gun to his face his DNA's triggers, if you didn't pull the trigger they didn't have gunshot residue on him. There wasn't right behind where the gunshot is kinda blows back. And we're not have it didn't the prize the other time I guess is what I'm trying to say that this is something she could do after the behavior is seen fast year. Her disappearing her screaming her meltdown. And then I found out how many till she taken if she hasn't been shot in the face, she would have died that night, regardless. We were told that and down, she would have died of an overdose. Every car comes with its share of stories but ding on your bumper. When you nervously picked up a first date the luxury package. You got off to a big promotion or the mal that you save reading your bike all summer. I've never done that. 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They record the calls in video visits, and it's kinda like they record both ways really strange. But the media started pumping out in running probably minutes of this recorded visit print news described it like this in a video released by the jail. The sixty one year old modeled his blue jail jumpsuit, danced started to unbutton his shirt, he chatted about, who would make a good character witness, whether we could buy anti-dam shampoo at the jail connoisseur, and even where the family should celebrate thanksgiving, his daughter, and sister-in-law giggled blind the seriousness of the accusation against him, so they basically describing this interaction, they're just having one minute of it. Yeah. In this jailhouse meeting with his daughter and wife sister. He can be seen laughing and dancing in the hour and a half of video three joke around nearly the entire time. There's money in the account for you to get stuff. There's all sorts of goodies you can buy a bra. So I was thinking that, you know you'd enjoy that and. Right cream. The lifestyle towards rest. He's had two visits from his sister-in-law and one of his daughters. Way should turn out. Wants to five. I'm really not worried about our big story coverage of this continues with west who's Amanda over. And Amanda the behavior in these tapes, just seem so out of place when jail visit videos released earlier showed Bob ward pretending to do a strip dance and his daughter dancing for him as well. What do we find on the latest video more strange antics? My dad my mom died on a Monday. My dad was arrested Tuesday morning. We finally able to see them on Wednesday. By that weekend. I had left Orlando. I'm the kind of person when things go wrong. I need to just move by needs to be on the move. I need to go somewhere, my sister and my aunt went to visit. They were able to go. Visit my dad that weekend are only told us on the phone in visit don't talk about your mom. You can't talk about Kate. All about any of that. China beat that it's gonna make it worse for him. You know, he's already in a horrible situation. That's what we were cold. So my sister goes in and all they wanna do cry. Everything's awful. And the visitors forty five minutes long visit is hard enough as it is. You know, you're, it's the first time they had seen him and I can't say in person, because it running, but we're able to communicate and see other visually since our live returned up down. And they were having a really hard time with it. They laugh. For two minutes, the rest of the time they were crying, well as my aunt and my sister, walks out of the jail. They were pounded with media, and they walk the cops come out and hand CD's or DVD's every reporter, they had already burned DVD's of the visit and hit the mountain, by the time I hit my sister left. So it was, of course, on the news that night, and of course, they ignored the forty four minutes, forty three minutes. They were crying. And they played the two minutes where they had two minutes to try to be a family and try to be normal, and they played that my sister was devastated. I mean she still has a hard time with it today. He got hounded by crazy people online at school. I mean they were calling her awful person, and that she's having some weird relationship with our dad, my aunt devastated. Because we're sisters on, and now they're things he's horrible. And so they funded as well. They all wanted Diane dead so that they have all the money. It was nuts. It was completely made up not they said we had fifty million dollars life insurance on her. So we all wanted her dead. We had no insurance on her not. And even if we did. You can put a fight on your mother. So what I think is really crazy. Is that the media was kind of dragging? Sarah's aunt Paula Diane sister into all of this, too. And. One of the detectives on the case detective Brian cross so that he spoke with Paula Diane sister in that. When he told Paul that her sister was dead in that, Bob ward, we charged with her death. Paula apparently said just make it an accident. She said that, Bob ward had been under a lot of stress and the -tective cross explained the Diane, did not die as a result of an accident. And according to the investigation report. Seir policier asked if cross could make it an accident. If you talked to war just one more time. And they ran this in reporting. And it's like she believes he's innocent. It's not like make an accident like corrup- win wink. She's like it's an accident. And she was just pleading in. I hate how they manipulate us. And again, we're not experts, we don't know who's guilty or innocent, but next time you read an article look at this verbiage, and just really try to decide whether or not it's unbiased, another thing that was really interesting is then also this is all imprint cracked print. Yes, what this is all imprint. So that's the thing that's the inflection of how she was saying. It could have been a million different ways. But when you're reading something and print, you're only hearing at the way that you want to hear it, so exactly. But then they started to run information that was really just further trying to discredit Paula. And I'm not really sure where they're going with this because it's like she's obviously not a suspect. So are you trying to make the whole family look like no malicious? I what do you think she's getting out of defense? Her brother-in-law? Right. So then they started to run how she had once worked for Bob's company and was making five hundred thousand dollars a year, which just makes her look like she wants something which what motive what she had for this doesn't make any sense to me. But this is what they're doing. This is more information than feeding into this narrative. Employed by my dad, and she did make a ton of money. She worked her ass off. My aunt was the top failed for my dad down in Cumberland island or come Lynn harbor. I mean she was your ass off. He didn't make what she made because she worked for my dad, she made what you made because she worked hard and I'm really proud of my aunt for that. Again though. It goes along with their narrative of a lot of people that you have an economic downturn and then you have rich people. And then here's this other rich person part of this. That was making five hundred thousand dollars back guy. But I just don't understand. It's like if you're trying to make it seem like Bob did it what they're just trying to discredit the sister. The news, the news isn't necessarily trying to make it seem like Bob did it. But they're just they are. But they're throwing what they're what they're doing is, they're painting pictures, and the pictures that they're painting. Here are rich people, and it's not just this one person. It's also her sister was was getting money off of this guy to me. It's like the idea that this sister is in angry at him just. They believe him. They believe in him like you wouldn't enlists. You're just derail, unless they're trying to paint that the sister had to do with it still. I mean that's crazy that we don't even know what picture, they're trying to paint grasping at straws throwing throwing a bunch of stuff against the wall, and hoping the readers will will will figure out what sticks that's often very right, dress to totally. So Bob, eventually, did get to his bail hearing and he was he was allowed out on bail for a hundred grand. And, you know, if you look at the footage of his release, it's like Princess Diana, like being swarmed by 'paparazzi issue. He was required to wear an ankle monitor and stay within three hundred feet of his home, but truly just watching them swarm this car in, then he was he went to seven eleven to get like some drinks to take back to his house because he's on house arrest. Because somebody drove him they were like following on with a helicopter. It's just like you guys are just adding fuel to this this beast. But all the while while this was happening. The family is still. Porting that even even mums family supporting today, three weeks after his arrest ward posted its one hundred thousand dollar bond and walked out of the Orange County jail into a throng of reporters west us over joins us live at Amanda. You spoke to ward after he was fitted with a GPS monitor. Well, I tried to speak to Bob board. But he said, absolutely nothing to reporters as we shouted questions at him. Now tonight he is back in his Isleworth mansion. But with one big difference, he has a monitoring bracelet slapped around his ankle. Sarah and her family, and Diane's family. And Bob's family would continue to support him throughout this entire process. And if you think things are crazy, and you're looking kind of at reporting in general under a new in a new light based on what you've heard it only gets crazier at the trial phase, and it is that trial phase, the subsequent, aftermath that we will be covering. In part to in just Sarah's going to be with us every step share her experience, and really sharing the injustice that at the very least occurred due to the treatment of her dad, her mom story and her story, by the media, and I've found a thousand examples, proving this point improving what Sarah's saying that, you know, at the very least this is not an equation for a fair trial. And the judicial process is, is very affected by this kind of sensationalism in media coverage, and, Sarah, you are, like I am ever since I've been thinking about this. I've been like on the brink of tears. I think you're so strong amazing. And we feel honored to be able to share your story because obviously, nobody has been able to share it correctly. And he did say Crimewatch daily was the best did the best job. Out of all ability. And this was when you were still there belly. And we talked to people Alexis talks to people the time and. Especially since we're talking about the media and we are part of the media. Yeah. And you, you don't see the devastation that has left. Yeah. You don't you don't destruction. Also, not the media, that's controlled by the higher ethers. Like we are other media, that's controlled by the government, that is I gotta say, in like, that is the beauty of the new media in hot casting, and YouTube and things like that in that we're not incentivized by politics or higher ups or whatever, like we say, what we want and it is an incredible platform. And that's why I haven't said, I was like all help you. I'll put you in touch with book, people like I will help you. I mean, I can't imagine living so much of your life being like so absolutely. Like, not only did you experience the biggest tragedy in the world and lose both your parents. But then, to have everybody that you love vilified like that, and have nobody here, your story out, only that, just a confusion of being angry at your mom. When you just lost our because you feel like your dad's being railroaded, and it's not even your mom who wanted that to happen. It's the police who did it. The mom, just was in pain in was suffering from depression, wanted to enter life, which is horrible and tragic. But, like then you lose your dad and then you've got this anger at your mom when it's like she was, she was in pain, you know, and just reconciled that Sarah is incredibly inspiring person. Yeah. To mallory. We didn't interview you, but you did not get a fair shake in the media will, Sarah. Thank you so much for reaching out to Billy. And if anybody else. 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Rock & Roll Photographer Bob Gruen

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Rock & Roll Photographer Bob Gruen

"Hi it's terry gross and before we start today show i just wanna say what a year this may sound corny but i try to counteract the covert anxiety and uncertainty by thinking of things. I'm grateful for. I'm grateful that we can keep producing our show. Even most of us on our team including me are working from home. I'm grateful for the technology that allows me to connect him. I guess even though they're at home too. I'm grateful to you for listening and ungrateful to everyone who has supported us over the years. It's been a rough year for most everyone financially. But if you are in a position where you can't afford to donate to public radio. We'd be super grateful for that. The best way to support the public radio podcasts programs. You enjoy is to donate to your local public radio station by visiting donate that. Npr dot org slash fresh air. Your donation will be sent to your local station. That's donate that. Npr dot org slash. Fresh air i wish you and your loved ones good health and twenty twenty one. That's better than twenty twenty and now onto today show. Whyy in philadelphia. This is fresh air. I'm dave davies in for terry gross on today's show the life of a rock and roll photographer. Bob gruen spent decades capturing the lives and performances of some of the world's most famous rock musicians the stones. That who elton. John chuck berry. The list is long and in many cases grew and didn't just shoot their performances. He spent long hours backstage in studios and on the road with them doing drugs drinking 'til dawn his new memoir right place right time. Tell some of his best stories including his showdown with your coosa gangsters and japan and the time he was afraid bob dylan was about to hit him with a cane. He also describes his long friendship with john. Lennon who was killed forty years ago today. That's coming up on today's fresh air. My guest is photographer. Bob gruen who spent decades capturing the lives and performances of rock and roll musicians. You'd have a hard time naming a rock artist from the seventies or eighties. He hasn't photographed. The list includes the stones. The who david. Bowie elton john. Bruce springsteen chuck berry elvis costello bo diddley and the clash just to name a few but grew and didn't just take pictures. He lived a rock and roll lifestyle hanging with musicians backstage and in their studios and traveling with him on tour with plenty of drinking and drugs along the way. He has a new memoir which recounts of his stories including touring with the sex pistols a tense confrontation with bob dylan and showdown with yakuza gangsters. At a hotel. in japan. andy tells of his long friendship with john lennon which ended abruptly forty years ago today. When lennon was murdered in front of the dakota his apartment building in new york bruins book is right place right time. The life of a rock and roll photographer. He spoke to me from lanes. Ville new york. Bob gruen welcome to fresh air iowa. Thanks for having me. You grew up on long island. Your mom was a photography buff right so you got interested at an early age and i love the story of the first photo you've got published share that with us you know how long was an attorney but her hobby was photography. She taught me to develop print mental pictures. When i was very little And i started taking pictures in the house and around the neighborhood and in school and then when they coming home from school. I saw firemen arriving at a fire and i ran over and i took pictures of them and ran out of film and ran home. Got more film and ran back and actually climbed up in a building behind the fire onto the the roof of a six-storey building behind it and got a almost like an aerial shot of the whole scene. Went back home. Develop the right away and brought it down to the local newspaper and they liked it and actually printed it on the cover and they were impressed with me. I was thirteen and actually have to. Caption is about how the thirteen year old. Bob gruen took this picture in in therapy so it was a good start. You got into rock music. I mean you loved rock music right. It was really exploding at the time in the late sixties and so you've started going to clubs and photographing people and it's interesting that when you were doing this and trying to get work one of the things that you did was to shoot not just the musicians but the managers and the publicists. And even in the clubs. The staff the bouncers in the bartenders. Why was that useful. I've probably gave away more pictures than licensed but it was useful because people would remember me. That if a publicist hire me to take pictures at a press party of star with some other rockstars visiting him i would also get a picture of the publicist with the star and they would put that on your office wall and they'd remember me and so i was always doing that to stay in people's mind and to give them something special. You know to not just hate but to give and people would remember that one of the first relationships you develop with a high profile musician was with. I can tina turner. How did that happen. Well a friend who tells the tina turner was amazing. We had to go and see and we went and my friend was. Eighteen is just absolutely amazing. They were playing several shows around the new york area at the time and so the next night they were playing in a place called the hong kah. Manca room You can't make something like that up. queens boulevard in long island and we went. There is a very small club. I remember in floor and small stage but teen was just amazing. I was sitting right in front taking pictures. And at the end of the so a strobe light flashes and tina kunakey dances off multiple images in the strobe light. And i just had a few frames left in the camera. I thought i wonder what will happen. If i take a one second picture and get a few of these flashes in the same frame and i took like four or five pictures three or four useless and one of them is one of the best pictures of ever taken and it just captured tina in five images that just catches the site -ment and energy that's tina turner and we went to another team to show that a couple of days later and i brought the pictures basically to show my friends but as we were walking out one of my friends so i turned her walking from one dressing room to another and pushed me in front i show the pictures and he stopped and he said what pictures and i showed him. He's always good pictures. The tina and he took me in the dressing room. Antena liking my pictures and pretty soon Had me coming on the road. Traveling on the road with them My first album cover but ten months later was a picture. Tina term that i took in los angeles and i've actually we started making video tapes for them. Early video primitive video machine but it was the first time the tina and the bank could see themselves in action right after the show and go over the act and how they dancing and kind of improve the actually like that a lot. Yeah so so you go from being a young guy just hoping to get something going to standing in front of tina turner a matter of seconds. Yes yes it was transformative. It was a moment that changed my life. You spent a lot of time with them didn't you. Yes we'll next couple of years We on it. I mean not every day but every few weeks we go and spend a couple of weeks at one point. We spent a month traveling with them. Actually living bolic's sound and their studio in los angeles. You didn't sleep a lot when you were with turner so we got a lot done. Well what were you doing when you're not sleeping. Well i had you know powders. That helped you stay awake. Luckily i didn't fall into it as deeply as he did because he was a pretty good guy until the drugs took over and he paid you. Sometimes people wouldn't pay you for the pictures. He was always generous about that. He always kind of a very informal arrangement depending upon how many days had been there. He just sort of peel off a few hundred dollar bills and cover all my expenses. That's how it worked out in all that time that you spent with them. Did you see any of the abusive relationship that she would later. Describe not really. They seem pretty tight. You know couple not your traditional couple. Because i can't girlfriend that traveled with him as well. So it was kind of like ike and tina anton mus not something. They talked about it at the time but teen is talked about it in her book that there was kind of like several women in the house not just her and And that did seem kind of unusual to me. I'm a bit more conservative than that. But in the rock and roll of it just seemed like well. That's what i does and everybody seems to go along with it. But i didn't see any violence at all but it wasn't your typical marriage. That was obvious and out of that drew a lot of other contacts and you manage to get a lot of other work. I assume once. I made them. I started meeting all kinds of people have to elton john. somebody within a few months. Because a publicist that. I met working with tina. Talk a record company into hiring me to shoot this brand new unknown piano player from england and it turned out to be elton. John and i worked for him for the next couple of years. And my career snowballed. Every time i went and did a job. I meet more people and they'd hire me for more things and getting to you know a lot of different times. One of the amazing pictures you have of. John is if i have this right. You were in the studio and he was a little bit of a cranky mood and folks says there's a new piano player we got here not the studio. No there was a plane called the starship right the enterprise starship and they asked me to come along on. That and the story was quite elaborate. Had two bedrooms in the back. It had a big long breast bar with a piano built in the middle and then couple of first class. The seats up in the front rockstars. Renton if you went through for a month they put your name on it. The picture i have led zeppelin in front of the airplanes. The same enterprise starship saint playing and Yeah they didn't own it. You rent it you know. And when elton had it they ask me to come along because they had a short trip to boston but stevie wonder was coming along but they had stevie hide in one of the bedrooms and elton didn't know he was there and so after the plane took off. The publicist told that there was somebody playing the piano in the lounge that Airplane company had hired the special guy. And elton wasn't interested. He was in a bad mood. Maybe a little hung over it a show to do and he's just leave me alone. I don't care if there's a piano player and the publicist woodley malone that you have to come back and see this guy and there's no. I don't wanna see anybody and opposes we're not gonna leave you not come back. And so walked back and stevie wonder was playing crocodile rock on built-in piano and the rest bar so then mood changed entirely and he felt a lot better about it and you were there to capture their their greeting on on camera. Yep shooting celebrities is sort of a special subset of photography right. It's different from shooting fires or police stories. And i think we think of people who shoot celebrities as really aggressive. I mean they often. You know you're you know the the red carpet at the oscars and they shouted the celebrities to get some kind of reaction to ask them to do some kind of pose. You took a different approach to this. Didn't you well. I really like to get hired and actually work with the artist and not just catch them off guard. I actually prefer to show my pictures to the artist and see which ones they like. I don't consider censorship. i consider it working with the artists and trying to help them advance their career. And turn that inst- helps to advance my career. I shooting celebrities. I take it a bit further than that because reflecting on my career more and more lately. I think i've been trying to do is to capture the feeling and the passion rather than just the fax rock and roll is freedom to express your feelings very loudly in public and i try to capture that moment of freedom that moment when everybody's yelling yay and nobody's thinking about paying the rent and that's the few of feelings i try to get in my photos. How did you get to know. John lennon johnny oku through an interview. It was a story about the elvis memory band that was backing them up and everything could go to the studio and take pictures of them with the band and then a couple of weeks later it turned out that i was one of the only one who had pictures of them together and they wanted to use the pictures in there Album package. And that's the first time i went over to their house on bank street and actually sat in for an afternoon and talk to them and it turned out was shared a very cynical sense of humor and kind of got along really well and at the end of that first meeting actually. Yoko told me that they wanted to be in touch with me and they wanted me to come back and take more pictures. And i'm still in touch with yoko today. I mean i read the first time you actually sent them any pictures. You didn't even talk to anyone. They they had no. The first time i saw them actually was at the apollo theater a few months before i met them for the interview They were there at a benefit concert for the families of the prisoners. Who were injured in the attica prison riot and i knew aretha franklin was going to be there and i had gone to see her and take some pictures of her and when i walked in heard the announcement see john lennon and yoko ono and i was i felt like it was hit by lightning. I read in the papers. They were in new york. I was a huge fan of john and yoko even more than the beatles. I mean the beatles were great. But i thought the john yoko were important to the work that they were doing for peace and and the way they were doing with artwork and getting a bag sending acorns to everyone every to the leader of every country in the world so the world could grow together just all kinds of me events to remind people to think about peace and so when i walked in and i heard the john. Yoga were there. I couldn't believe it was in the same room as them. It was just an exciting moment. And i took some pictures and then backstays as they were leaving the waiting for their car a few people were standing around taking pictures snapshots the instamatic cameras and so i took a few pictures. Mike cameras and john one point said you know people are always taking our picture like this. Never see him. What happens to all these pictures. And i said well i live around the corner from you because i read in the paper that the had in the past literally half a block from my house in greenwich village and i said earlier in a corner from you. I'll show you my pictures. And he very neighborly like he said oh. You live around the corner. We'll under the door. And i went around a couple of days later with some prints and i didn't quite the door. I did ring the bell and much. To my surprise. Jerry rubin answered the door jerry righteous visiting them and just let him a favorite as the doorbell the sixties radical for those who may not remember it. Yeah yes yeah. It was quite surprised to see him opening the door for them and remember. He asked me if they were expecting me. And i said no. I just left them several pictures and later when we did develop a relationship. Yoko mentioned that everybody asks them for something. And i was one of the few people who actually gave them something and left without asking furnishing donovan even to meet them and they were like who is that guy and they liked the pictures through so when we did meet a few months later they remember that and he went through some some changes in some dark times. He and yoko separated. They got back together. And you kind of felt. It was a more mature. John lennon in the later years of friendship. Well yeah in seventy s. He had a lot of pressure on him. He did political sometime in new york album. It didn't sell very well. He was being sued and suing his former manager and always money was held up and a real depression. It was drinking lot and yoga. Didn't wanna live with a chunk and she asked him to take a break and during the separation they were in touch the whole time. He kept calling begging to come back and she kept saying. You're not ready and find the after a year and a half where you got thoroughly embarrassed in los angeles and came back. He did sober up and he did start living a sober life and they did get back together. And then you'll cook up pregnant. And they had sean and that really changed. John's life where he just kind of grew up and started eating better yet. I started learning about the macrobiotic. Very healthy diet stopped drinking and taking the drugs and sort of living a sober life and you know living more in the present and appreciating that. I actually learned about the league gratification. And most of all he learned about taking responsibility for family for raising so on for literally being there every day feeding the bottle changing the diapers watching his diet and really taking on that responsibility and he grew any matured new turned into an adult which he wasn't at the beginning. One little moment you'd either. It's hard to believe that you describe he called you up. And if i have this right. He wanted you to come over to a lawyer's office where a bunch of attorneys were around a table signing the documents to formally dissolve the beatles. This right yes. It was well. They've been Suing allen klein to get of the contract that they had made with him elite sixty s. And it wasn't actually a lawyer. John three thirty in the morning busy as it will And he would role in the plaza hotel they taken over a whole floor of the plaza hotel and they were negotiating the last bits of the contract and each beatle had several lawyers allen had several lawyers must be fifteen or twenty lawyers and the picture and and they'd hold room for the secretaries because in those days they didn't have the fax machines data processing we have now and every time they changed the word the type it on twenty different copies of the of the the you know the new agreement and actually when it was signed. John told me that. The original agreement allen klein had been three paragraphs on one page and to break up. That agreement took an eighty seven page contracts. So why did john invite you at three thirty in the morning to this legal proceeding well because it was just i. It was a moment in history. The moment that the beatles guy free of their contract and it was a big newsworthy event that they finally finish this. Several year lawsuits going back and forth. All their money was an escrow so it was a big moment when they signed that contract. This interview is being broadcast on the fortieth anniversary of john lennon's murder. His death you close to the in fact. I think you were you. Were going to be picking up something at the dorms at the dakota at the time i lent him a tape to Get back i. I've seen him thursday night and friday night up until saturday morning. Actually we were there all night before he passed on monday night. So i just been there two days earlier. Taking pictures of them there was a new story coming up in the village voice and i was printing those pictures when i got word that he had been shot. I mean this was obviously a terrible shock to you as it was to millions of people and there were plans for a memorial in central park at the band. Shell i think you were asked to provide a photo for the centerpiece of this right right. Ron does the promoter The city had asked him to put something to have some kind of event in the park. So that the people didn't gather in front of the dakota and block all the traffic on the west side so the ban show is the most obvious place in ron cole. To ask me for picture to put there for people to focus on and think about john. And i thought about all the different ones i had. There was one for regarding gordon. Who's obviously a rock musician. But i thought he was more than that and it was one where he looked very intellectual. That had been on the cover the new york times but i thought it was more than that too and there was a picture of him just looking open and friendly with the new york city t shirt on it and yoko had published a piece that day. Actually they called me saying. Don't blame new york city for what happened. John that the person who killed him came from the other side of the world and would come to wherever they lived in. I've always felt the john died in new york because he lived in new york he died going home and so i use the picture of john with the new york city t shirt and became kind of the center. Piece of that memorial. Do you commemorate his passing in any way. Does the date hit you. Well not so much. The day i think about it every day. I mean john's a big part of my life. He was very close friend. And and just you know the whole world is watching kind of thing. So it's not something that i think about necessarily on december eight. Th i think about it more on october ninth on his birthday rather celebrate his life then you know think about his death But i think about all the time he was just so funny and so timely and the things that he said still resonate today all the people living life in peace. I mean that's a universal statement. And and john was told me that he couldn't tell people what to do that. Somebody to do a commercial for toothpaste. They would laugh at them but that he had a way of summing up where people are rethinking and giving us words to express the feelings. We already have like. Oh we're saying is give peace a chance as simple in. It is what everybody's thinking. But john gave us those words to express it. We'll take another break here. Let me reintroduce you were speaking with. Bob gruen his book is right place right time. The life of a rock and roll photographer. He'll talk more about his experiences. After this short break i'm davies. And this is fresh. Air Somali sky fall kill know religion. mrs absurd. imagine this message comes from. Npr sponsor bank of america. You finally decided to learn how to ice skate. So you ordered the essentials. Every ice skater needs a pair of blades. And you helmet and a good set of kneepads and you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback on online shopping rewards that you put towards the cost of an essential piece of posts skating recovery. A heating pad visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. This is fresh air. I'm dave davies. Infra terry gross speaking with veteran rock and roll photographer bob gruen. He has a new memoir about the decades he spent capturing the lives and performances of rockers. On film and his experiences travelling and hanging out with musicians among them ike and tina turner for sex pistols and john lennon and yoko ono who became close friends with gruen lennon was murdered in front of his apartment in new york forty years ago. Today gruden's book is right place right time. The life of a rock and roll photographer. You shot a lot of performance. Photos and musicians tend to perform in places. That don't have a lot of light in a lot of illumination. I mean maybe this is a little technical. But how did you get around that. And it was a problem all my life. You know. it's amazing that the digital photography now can see in the dark. It's fascinating back then was always struggling to try to get pictures infocus because yet to shoot us such a slow speed with camera wide open. It was hard to get short pictures in in such a low light setting as well. A lot of my pictures are soft focused. And i to say sometimes the subjects not Sharp but the feelings are clear. You know the other thing is you did a lot of shooting in front of the stage and crowds can get really talked up and maybe drunk or hi. I'm wondering where were some bands easier than others in terms of dealing with a raucous crowd. Oh absolutely The who in philadelphia. I remember as one of the most chaotic. You guys like two hundred and fifty three hundred pound drunk guys. Fallen on each other and banging into each other on the other hand The bay city rollers abandoned. Did a lot of work within their fans were thirteen. Fourteen year old girls and they were more excited than the who fans but it was smaller and much less dangerous. You're right about doing some cocaine with ike turner. And i think on a trip to nashville doing math and there. I don't know what all plenty of pot and i'm just wondering You did a lot of work. Did it affect your work to the drinking and drugs well. It was kind of part of the work. I carried a little flask of cognac. In my camera case part of my equipment that's the way was in s- in the seventies is so hard to understand in the sober light of today what it was like back then that you would go into a record company office and you know the guy will take out. Some coke share a lines of his better than yours. You discuss that lady joint open a beer and then do some business you know. Talk business That was the way it was. There wasn't bottled water. I don't remember seeing bottles of water but we had lots of cans of beer if there was ours. Use around for the vodka You know thinking back. that's the way it was. It wasn't I couldn't do it. I don't know how. I you know operated on that level back then because the world isn't isn't drunk anymore. It's pretty sober. Nowadays you ended up going on tour with the sex pistols. H- how did that happen. Well one thing leads to another my life. You know i. I was working with dan. Yorke donald's when malcolm mclaren came to the end of their career Malcolm on them to wear some the outfits the closed that he was making Kind of took over managing them when manages left and then he went back to england the actually plans we one of the new york also so vain to start a band with sill in england and then I actually had a little environment. Where i got david and ciller job in japan and malcolm got tired of waiting for so vain and he started the sex pistols without him. And he got this guy johnny ryan instead and the rest is history But i went to england for the first time about a year and a half later and the ban was just getting going at that. Point and malcolm was one of the only people i knew i only knew the editor of melody maker. Malcolm malcolm found me a place to stay and he took me to a place called club louise which was Kind of the equivalent of the backroom of max's in london. Where in that one room. I met the sex pistols the clash billy idol coun- coon john savage who the journalists who would write about the punk scene suzy From the who formed the band. She's a marco perroni who was Became a punk producers. The whole punk scene. That was developing. That was all in that room. And i happen to show of meet them all. Thanks to malcolm. There's one where the where the sex pistols restarting tour. I think as they say they just had room on the bus. Oh you got on and joined the tour right. Well that was came to america and there was supposed to new york. And i thought i wasn't really planning to go on a all. It take pictures of them new york. Because i'd seen him twice. In england by that time and i just wanted to keep the continuity of working with the band but sid vicious apparently had some visa problem and they didn't get to the york on time So they open their tour in atlanta. So i flew down there to see them and as When the show was over they were getting on their bus. I was saying well so long. Malcolm have a great trip to bed. I can't come and malcolm sit. You can't come because we're only allowed twelve on the bus and is the band sophie and and the guys will that's eleven by. Why don't you get on. And i was like what and the guy next to me said. Come in casino bar bass. I actually don't remember asking but It seemed like a good idea. So i just hopped on the bus and woke up in san francisco. Ten days later what was said vicious like on that tour well on the bussey wasn't vicious at all. He was a sweet kid. He was like twenty one years old. It was in love with nancy. You had known in new york She was a friend of mine and he was just a lonely boy. You want it to be with his girlfriend and on the bus we were listening to dub reggae actually takes the term. Let's give us and maybe smoking pot and drinking a beer and it was kind of very mellow on the bus and then the door would open all chaos who break out the press. Was you know. Just playing up the sex pistols aziz obnoxious punks invading america. I remember one time when we pulled into a place. And there's a couple of press people. Outside and steve jones opened the door and cut up clears throat and spit on the ground to get ready to answer some questions and a precedent and they had this story it was done and and see if didn't even get this question so It was kind of weird because on the bus. I didn't know the cast that the press was creating about the pan To me he's just seemed like some new band a bunch of weren't even all that good but they were quite a phenomena in the press. We'll take another break here. Let me reintroduce you were speaking with. Bob gruen his book is right place right time. The life of a rock and roll photographer. He'll talk more about his experiences. After short break i'm davies. This is fresh air. This message comes from. Npr sponsor capital one. Welcome to banking reimagined capital. 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The life of a rock and roll photographer I think they'd be the craziest story on this book. Involved a trip to japan. I think this was with the new york dolls right and he ended up getting into An encounter with the gangster. The the legendary gangsters the yakuza. It's quite a tale. Tell us what happened here. We part of a tour with several other bands and on the first night in japan One of the other band members Got involved with a very young girl who is out in and she stayed out and then the last night ten days later we were back in tokyo. And there's actually one of the thousand the girl into going home and her father found out what happened. It turned out that he was a leader of a gangster. You the coosa. The worst gangsters in japan And they came and confronted at the hotel. And we didn't really know what was going on and and it wasn't our band that had been involved with the girl so we really didn't know what it was all about but they were very threatening this I tried to call the police in the hotel. It turned the phone off because the gangsters told them to. And i ended up at a fado pulling the phone back and forth a gangster. Luckily one of our tour members a girlfriend of the romance manager had run up the block and there was a policeman. St that was stationed at the british embassy nearby and she just grabbed his policeman and dragged him down the block and pulled him into the hotel and push them between the gangsters and the band because against really threatening a very threatening turn a later one of them actually had an ice pick and cowl his hand and then When cops were there things calmed down a little bit. And i'm saying like You know i was really scared. I didn't know what was going on. I wanted somebody from the embassy to come and protect us. And i called the american embassy and the phone is ringing it for a while and And actually reached somebody in about a half hour later. Some guy came in with a suit and tie attache case he looked like sidney portier was like gorges and And he went to the police station with the gangsters and sylvain and they worked it all out and it turned out that they ended up apologizing. Because it really wasn't us that it caused the problem and there's a particular detail to the apology that you gotta share here. Oh well yes. I came back here later. My friend who is the head of a different part of the who's told me that that guy to make the apology. He had literally had to cut off tip of his pinky and they had this piece of his finger in a little bottle that they were gonna present to me as his apology. And i was horrified. And i said you know i understand your japanese customs and that. That's the way you do things. But when i go home to something called the us customs at the border. And i'm not going to be able to explain a piece of a finger. So i'm gonna have to pass on this. It was kind of a bizarre. Yes yes you were known for being patient and developing relationships with musicians and had great relationships with a lot. One that you didn't have a great relationship. Was bob dylan right. What happened there. Well i'm sitting myra but it just never really worked out. I mean one time. I took a picture of his face at the bottom line. I don't appreciated that very much. But then Had the rolling thunder tour He would banning photography yet one photographer that he hired two and he was gonna prove those pictures and he didn't want any other pictures. But i took it as a challenge as a journalist who thought it was an important news event that had to be covered and i literally put cameras in my boots and the lens in my hood and i snuck into the Stuck my equipment into the concert and And that during the encore when everybody was standing on their seats in chaos with reigning. I would jump up and take a whole bunch of pictures and then a lot of them were published in magazines and newspapers. And i didn't realize that. Bob dylan was gonna take that as a personal offense 'cause he had tried to ban photography and I guess that a year later he was playing in berlin and his publicist told me about it. And i went to actually went to because i was on my way to europe anyway and i thought it'd be exciting to see him there But when i got the lead switched. Hotels was in a cab on the way to venue when i saw walking across the street with a friend of mine who the body goes a friend of mine. So i gotta the camp. I just got so excited. Seeing bob dylan and my friend and i got her the cabinet. Walk down towards them. And then bob sony company turned around and i had no idea what to say to him and And so it's a little my friend. Patty kelly's eight. Patty what are you doing in bob. Board immediately started walking away and then Patty so we'll we'll see at the show. And then he must have said something to barbara. Bob s through. That wasn't turned around and started looking at me. He said i know you. You're i saw your name next to all those pictures. You took an always thought. I was going to beat you up when i met you. Indiana cain with a silver head. And he's like waving his cane firm. I'm kind of looking at my friend. Patty i know you're his buddy. You're gonna protect me because you're my friend right and i started apologizing You know trying to defend thing. I took really good pictures and anyway it was for me. It was kind of like meeting guide and finding out that he wanted to kill me and And says that made me stronger. Because i i no longer had a hero that i could really look up to for any kind of protection but you still love. His music still always music and it's always meant a lot to me. Actually in early days. A lot of his songs were saying things. That didn't really have words to the things that i was thinking that i didn't have words to express. He expressed my thoughts for me. Do you do you have memories of shots that you just missed a moment that you that. Oh well i'm one of them. I went all the way to atlanta and snuck into one of the rolling thunder shows and towards the end. I was standing on a seed during the encore and in fact the governor at that point jimmy. Carter was governor There and so bob dylan was kind of looking over in his direction and i was about three rows behind him. So he's getting these pictures. Great pictures above dylan could write my direction with a telephoto. Getting waste head shots. It was like cover post to perfect pictures. And i was shooting shooting shooting and every little while i realized i was taking pictures one roll of and i went and checked and realize that you know when you run out of film and one count. You have a black and white camera to color camera and you change the film. You would wait till both of needed to be changed and then you changed it and in russia the heat of the moment trying to get everything done. I'd forgotten to change the film in color and taking more than a roll of film with no film in the camera. So yeah i remember. I remember i remember what he looked like. He was so good. You're seventy five today Cobra two and seventy five still working. I'm working all the time. I'm working right now. Okay walk right up to shoot. do you get. It's not the same because so many people shooting and outlets different That i don't work like they used to I still sometimes work with certain bands. That i you know to build a relationship with More recently it was a band called stripes from ireland. That i did some work with But it's not work like i used to Don't jump on a bus for ten days with a bunch of twenty four year olds drinking beer. it's my life's a little different can do exhibits and do you know. Give talks to people and And sell the sign princeton. Go by the book is fun. Thank you so much for speaking with us. We will thank uvira. me bob. Bruins book is right place right time. A life of a rock and roll photographer. This is fresh air this message comes from. Npr sponsor tele doc tele doc offers access to licensed therapists by phone or video to help those dealing with stress anxiety personal or family issues. 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He was ninety. Seven yeager enlisted in the army air corps in nineteen forty one as an airplane mechanic and retired as an air force. Brigadier general in nineteen seventy five. His story was popularized in tom. Wolf's book the right stuff yeager was a fighter pilot in world war two and was shot down in france where he evaded capture and returned to the air after surviving many dogfights. He took on another risky job. Testing high-performance aircraft where he soon became known as america's top test pilot. He was the first pilot to fly faster than the speed of sound on october. Fourteenth nineteen forty seven. Here's a scene from the film. The right stuff sam. shepherd plays chuck yeager surf. We were just talking to select care about the sound barrier. Is that right. And we feel that the x one is ready to have a go at it. We think the xbox got the answer to go beyond mach one. Well i'll tell you what half these engineers never been off the ground you know. I mean they're allowed to tell you that the sounders brick wall skied off. You try to go through it yes me. I don't believe the damn thing even exists interested. Drink from mr yoga here. No thanks going so you think you want to have a go at it might but since as you say. The sound barrier doesn't really exist. How much how much you got. Just joking air force's pammy already and their answer was your younger but when we go well how about tomorrow morning be there when terry spoke with chuck yeager in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. She asked whether he knew what the sound barrier was when he took on the assignment of trying to break it. Sure i knew the laws of nature that Sound travels at some seven hundred and sixty miles an hour. She level and some six hundred and sixty miles an hour. Thirty five thousand feet higher also knew we had Buffeting problems Because of shock waves. Because i experienced those and in air combat you know in world war two when i was flying mustangs Over germany also experienced it in the early jets appear eighty four. I knew exactly what the problem was. It's what image did you have in your mind about the sound barrier for civilians like as you almost see this invisibleshield or or wall that somebody will be trading. They break it. Yeah i didn't you know Give any thought to us. Tell you truth terry because I was pretty well at that time. I'd been in a war were You know a lotta guys get killed but Learn to discipline myself to concentrate on what you're doing and forget about the outcome because you can't do an awful lot about it anyway so we start. The excellent program I i had no idea what i would run into but the point is i. I could care less you the truth that i just had to press on with my mission so the the plane that you broke the sound barrier in the x one had a nose cone that was designed like a bullet. How come yeah. Because they knew that billets flew faster than sound and the guy or shape of the fuselage of the x one was shaped like a fifty caliber bullet and That's just common sense. Because like i say we were flying in the area of unknowns. Was a comfortable where you'd have to sit in or no. It was very uncomfortable and the reason was we. We had no shortage of power in the x one. We used Compression nitrogen gas to do all the work like raising lord the gear and pressurized the liquid oxygen tanks. Which incidentally they had no seat in the x one you sat with your back against the bulkhead which contained liquid oxygen and the temperature of the liquid. Oxygen was two hundred ninety degrees below zero. And there's one of the coldest cockpits have been in in my life and You sat on the floor and your knees were higher than your your rear end so You could pull high. Jeez without blacking out and And you couldn't see too well out of it but you got to remember. It was a research airplane and it was built Nine hundred forty four. Well when you are flying at what indications would you have. What kind of meters would tell you when you would actually broken the sound barrier out amager told me out of high wash i had indicated airspeed in the told me how fast i was going through the air in miles per hour but the one one thing that we relied on was a mock meter that told us what. Our percentage was in relationship to the speed of sound for instance mach. One is the speed of sound dale judea flying. And if you're going point nine mock that's ninety percent of the speed of sound. I had a mock meter that went up to one point zero and the day That i actually broke mach one. I sat there and watched that mach meter Build up you know since we'd been up to about nine four point nine four point nine five mach number on a previous flight and I washed it build up and when it got up to about point nine. Six in buffeting was quite heavy on. The airplane was shaking pretty bad. But then at that point. The mach meter went off the scale f extrapolated. You know it'd be about one point zero six but democracy who went to one point zero but when it did all of buffeting smoothed out which was an indication that we had you know supersonic flow over the whole airplane meaning. That it was flying supersonic speeds. And when this happened we made the first shaughnessy boom there edwards. And that's that's about the way it happened. Could you hear the sonic boom. No you're in the airplane which is in a pressurized cockpit and a helmet own oxygen mask and and no. You're making the shockwave. It's on your airplane. And you don't hear shockwave. Or sonic boom. When you realized that you'd you'd broken the speed of sound. your mission was accomplished. Did you stay up in the air while and just have a good time and celebrate. No you can't stay up because she a rocket you burn out all your fuel they don't have the last two and a half minutes and in in your gliding down to make a dead stick landing on rogers dry lake out there at edwards or then mirror air base But i sure. I was the lady at did a couple of rules and and when i got down since i was pretty well beat up from a horseback riding accident a couple of days before i would. I was kind of bush. And also you're sitting in a cold airplane you really get coal soaked and it's good to get out into the warm sun and You know and also their program was classified. So it's not exactly as as the film the right stuff depiction but We knew it was classified in just a couple three of had a little party that night. I mean big party. you're gonna call it. What were the reasons for classifying. Why was it so topsy grant because of what we found out the reason. Wash if you recall Once we got into the region of the speed of sound we lost our elevator. Effectiveness material may get a little technical but all airplanes lighter planes you. If you look at them they have a horizontal stabiliser or tail and on the trailing that horizontal stabiliser in elevators flippers. And when you move the control stick back. That elevator goes up. And that's what controls the attitude or your airplane make sure knows. Go up or go down. And when we got into up to about point nine. Three mach number or ninety three percent of the swedish. We lost the effectiveness of that elevator on the x one and we couldn't control airplane but we'd built a capability into the x one of moving the whole horizontal stabiliser tailplane and we found out that lo and behold we could control reacts one through one with that horizontal stabiliser now. It was interesting to me when it happened. We found that out then. Of course we started building flying tails on our airplanes. At that are combat. Airplanes were built the three or four years later and it was amusing to me to find out that the british and the french and the soviet union didn't find out that little trick for five years. That was the reason. It was classified and rightly show. Now this is. This is a very exciting time. When you were flying test missions you had a few close calls though when you were flying the the x one in the the x one. A there was one time i think it was in the x one which was the follow up. Plan to the x one where you'd gotten to high fast Terrier c in those days back in the late forties early fifties We were a lot of milestones should be broken. And we were moving out in speed. With broken mach one thousand hundred forty seven and nineteen. Fifty-three rolled up and we're working up. Above mach two and we were just trying to go faster and faster to open up the universe. the x one a I wanna made four flights unit but on that particular flight i'm setting at some. You know eighty thousand feet Going two point. Five mach number or two and a half times the speed of sound around sixteen hundred miles an hour and we found out in that during that flight. That detail was not big enough. On the x one to stabilize it like the vertical stabiliser and horizontal stabiliser didn't keep the airplane going straight ahead when we got out beyond two point. Three mach number an airplane to swap ends and went through some wild gyrations and and and back in those days. We didn't have a seat so and you're pretty well Locked into the airplane and couldn't get out so you have to write it down in Yes I was a little apprehensive about where i was going to hit in high shares out there. But fortunately i stayed with the airplane and had enough Instinct to recover from an inverted ban and then Pop it out of the normal and and find rogers dry lake and come back and land and it was a while ride. But i didn't pay any attention to the ground. You know nothing to do about hitting it anyway. The way i look at it you either do or you. Don't you know if you don't. You're live happily ever after chuck yeager speaking with terry gross recorded in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight iger died yesterday at the age of ninety seven on tomorrow's show. We speak with attorney. Britney works on behalf of people sentenced to live under drug laws later regarded as unfair and unconstitutional. She started that work after her mother was convicted of a non violent crack related offense. Seven of barnet's clients. Were granted clemency by president obama and won by president trump. I hope you can join us for terry. Gross i'm dave davies.

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Oh I think they'll step down for the first time to every governor took founded it brings a different perspective war and on. Yeah it's a precaution that turn may my hibernating you will be here with Sean everyday running out running down to the city because I told you I carrier thirty victims. Act Listening Kid Talk. If you want as you should keep yourself threatened by grade women will keep you safe. Run around with friends out here. Dr All activity down Allocated back your money. What state of emergency were became? The question is does she having insurance? Surely give you back but they also give you a penalty to have insurance. They're still give money back. And still you get a penalty so save you spend rebound knowledge my caution. They might have to take two hundred but they're the ones that cancelled the organization event people. They're the ones they cancelled it. And then they said they don't want to give the money back 'cause krona viruses not a state of emergency. What are you talking about? Is that serious crisis okay? They're closing the borders league. Promoted by organization gave the money to like one of those party. Things like one of those group Party is whatever go God shadow at a Pre Tanya. So be back. Tomac Thursday they Thursday a CJ Marched in nineteen twenty twenty. I we aback silly. This will be going to before we get into the news. We're going to announce a chat room number we. Let's get that out way now oil corollas. Look it's it's so overwhelming assign a bit. I'm trying to sort it for all areas by city. Bali Hai Daniel Wash ten in the morning. How's everybody okay? Our according to that shot Netra note that people can have clarity when they go on trips. And you get a shot. I did have insurance but People don't really lead or the fine print when you have insurance they still don't want to give you your money back not in that. Okay I just it just happened. I was in the hospital. I had surgery so my doctor is going to fall. But if it wasn't for my doctor filling out the form come on a virus. That's not considered a state of emergency. Happens all my friends? They've got their tickets. All of them paid all that money for the hotel air roundtrip. Almost two thousand dollars and they don't want to give you your money back now. If you call the airport somebody airport will give you. Maybe Ach store credit where you could travel another Tom. Your hotel you lose all that and it. Depending on what airport you went to you. Don't get your money back either. Because they say they think they they say in. The Corona virus is not a state of emergency. I'm telling you what they say so I'm getting my money back and if I you know it's unfortunate that I happen to went into hospital last one. I had to tell you that we can half ago but had I not had that surgery. That's not to sit at a visa even had Insurance that's not to say when you have Sean you can't just call up and be like. Oh you know what Netcom next month? I can't go so I have insurance. No insurance is not stuff like that for stuff like Like let's say it's a family things like that. That's when they'll give you your money back for things you just can't go. They won't give money back right. Yes okay but that's not the point. It's not a state of emergency. So they feel like guess what so. What if you have a long and guess what have you had still lived in Aruba? Technically you can go and get. Yeah you get to that. Need Care how you get. People shouldn't use that group any news organization like it's not all that you're not having you know that big thing will kick opinion. Everybody who's going to be at the festival with for the whole week is nothing but all the big Dj calm and all that but it is organization. I mean it's a big scale organization money to go to this event. The organizers August guys organizes things. Hey you pay for your hotel you did. This is the event. Still going on in Aruba. Everything's cancer. They they said everything has cancelled people. They start when you call up having to do at the event because we paid like just for example we got. We got up from Maviya we call the Marriott and set it up by. Espn and they had to package. It was almost two thousand dollars to go for from the nineteen from nineteen to the twenty seven so well we pay for our day. They have nothing to do. Because once you get there kick a plea and all of them. You still have to buy ticket to go to the different offense. You understand what I'm saying so I just got my friend. Got Tickets for the armed that they have a big festival going on at the same time. It's a big Jaffe close festival. They cancelled up now with the jazz clubs. They did the same cancel dumb. So now it's going to be like you have to wait whenever you can. When when they opened the boat again if they do because that's what they do but they're not corona virus is unfortunate that is a state of emergency on TV. But it's not a state of emergency. Even these costs all these big concert and that people are paying for like that. I'm going away to what did that when the kids are going away now in March. Yeah it's all playing Greg. Stop All that stuff is not refunded books because they start saying that That's not a state of emergency. So is not is not refundable like even sitting like say spring break. You can still get you see. You're still going to import today. He had taken the. You can go to Miami. You know you can go there. That's what they say. It is if you could get here we before the that's why people are booking anything until all this is over out what they're gonNA do. Yeah Yeah Yeah I WANNA know what I? I'm only one out my father who locked up because I just happen to have thirty because I had the doctor said I mean they have facet to them and they go refund my money but the money no not yet off the next the next the next door now they got to know they want me to give my doctor to form of allow but meanwhile I had an appointment in the day doctorates doctors all the point and now I wanna see. Nobody's obviously the doctor to get the four field down. Maybe five facts it or something like that but the doctor. You can't go to the doctor and get a Gain animal right. I ain't worried about it because I guess you know my wasn't until May so even if you take two or three muscle me to get my money back. But the point is that the doctor got behind the war on the now. I'M GONNA go to the doctor and catch Cremona virus they get. The letter fell down. So it's like you know but just you know I just figured I called up that way. People know is far where they take it on. His show is make sure you always take on the Sean but that is Sean. Don't cover everything. It's not like what people thought. Because when you get in Sean that's it tomorrow. You might have religion boyfriend. I ain't going with you now and caught up and get your money back. Nah they like that. You gotta you gotta be like Daffy gotta be for life something really really bad and you gotTa have pools other than that. Insurance is not really for that they still your bags and they say all your bags get stolen on the trip stuff like that. That's what this Sean. For Attorney full of is not what they think but anyway I have a good day Katherine everybody stay safe. God bless you for that team for the knowledge stop booking these trips lobby wral Godspeed. He says he has an apartment down there. You've got him on the show. Synagogue combining caller peg Olson at the hold on. What ABOUT BILL? Collect everybody man. This is exciting. We've just playing song this morning. The House Music Legend is on the phone jamming Tiger Wilson. Classroom Tiger Man. This is good. Listen Man I'm already know man. We was that Scott event men a few months back. And I'm just a big Fan guy. We go way back MOCHA lounge in the heart and when I saw a few months ago you look good man and God bless you man Let's just jump Bryansk thing You know he's a songwriter. Robin Cook and citizen. It took. That's a skill. Set your mic to sing. But you can't write the song rain. This guy can write the song so you can see and gets his check and he knew and get paid more than anybody else that process before we get into corona and all that process in how you create that which a lot of college is happening. I'm quite sure he has a song. It's like when you write jokes. Positive just found it depends on the mood you in a conversation or just looking at the not the on the situation and rubbed me and I just right at that particular. Sometimes you know what I do. I'm quite sure we just jot it down but you know. Come back the latest on. We'll pick it back up but sometimes you just right. It's been on a date man. I listened to people and misfires me. So he he'll listen to be and then clean a song out of beat. Is I know what that is. Like the create. Like sometimes it's inspiration and just hit you right how long you been only been the what you got into? The game is create. Actually I started working with these guys name And they're not the light breath that we know of the violates this day related it could be lightly dressed jersey. They promoted by from Kentucky. And what happened was that he had Access to To the studio as odds name down there journal one of the writers was late and they had to write a song and then like going to see what you come up with. Basically songwriting already there. But that's like my clean. You know I really got a real taste of working with a artist and with some some dope producers and. That's what made you know. Actually they bought it they would see grew and wrote songs with Donald Jones to the right place right time and the other guy was late it was meant to be what I'm saying. That's why you always got to be on time fan. Prepare and yeah and when you wrote this song that took you to a hope for a whole `nother level right. We're not like being in a room with other people like the energy spoil right people like you know at the list and then it just kept invited in in order to they. Show me the game. Alex stories like that. Know Your your particular saw which was playing this morning the sometime on power ask me registered and even legend within the south. You know he I kind of the House game. This is one of those. How songs that when they played in Jersey and they go crazy right. Sort of like the equivalent of like We'll check traffic. Sign a light on him in New York. This is one of those songs that will never die. Cladding and God bless you for that because it keeps it will I was gonna say but none of us are working right now would just goes crazy. You say no. I'm still working. It's crazy because I'm sorry about that. A couple of good thing about my crap. I would say thank God for Ocean Media and the Internet will I can work from home and since vows to anybody else I don't have to leave out but at the not just before we get to corona sitting there. Everything's GonNa lead back to live again. Not Now sitting. He writes but he and then he rise a song writer and he wrote a a a house. Legend hit I. When did that sometimes long been out outfits thousand thousand twelve occupation back and it's still okay so what about live performing? I don't stop depending on the situation for one and depending on you know the game could working about house music and question. No that is a great level at the like it ain't no disrespect to other different. You know what I'm saying. We have people. I think house music as but I will say like. Let's say purchase music no matter how old they are. How old the song is people still come and support between like house music hip hop you could to me. Hip Hop on behalf of a certain age allison's they don't have that like you said it's just so he could use them now. People still listen to music on long. They were out these classic hit. You just want to get on. The desk has never boathouse. And you know what I love about House Music Bobby Cologne. Because I'm into house music from the Bronx be ex you like. Those are the only parties that I've attended a tiger. Where you especially with Jersey Folk. They on the dance floor Barbie. We Jersey folks will like in New York Sending some tiny sitting in VIP and they don't WanNa dance to the laughs song article playing that Wolrd Matt Jersey soon as music on everybody's on the floor. I loved that about you guys. He walked into doing a dancing. Jeff acts you open up for order. Be Honest with you. I have done a lot of other enough a lot of PJ because mostly. That's what the housemates against. Mostly you know. If you know the deejays were on the autism to say Dj's but I definitely opened up for Happening DJ's I had a chance to do the Vega WLS USC They anniversary closed. Universe wants to put up a four for them twice. And I I like where my first biggest shows being New York Walk of the Chechen fools about you know when they come they each have a chance to work with you guys out of the BJ's Stain things known. Dj. But he's also worked with shaggy producer writer for Shaggy. And then I don one. I think he works together with the. Dj's like like David Morale is Opened a lot of even Chicago right guy. They got caught on children. Do Yeah like Dj's a Chicago at a chance to work with. Open up percents. Dj's Terry Terry Hunter and I'll see he's working. I mean it's like perform was performing even though he says he's working on this guy's constantly working. Cj in the housing walk the country all year round. That's awesome God. Bless you a tiger. I got three baby mothers one sixty one years old and I got five kids breitbart alone. How many baby mamas do you have? Hobbies AMERICAN RETIRE OVER SENATOR COMPASSIONATE BABIES SERIES. Right right many of them left. You marry Sir. No other baby mothers one but I say say like you said I had a graduation. Parties have moved on and had my first marriage. Not Marriage is absolutely a fact that the craziest sometime came out. It came out like believe we got married. So that's like a big Rethink for me. I think clear biggest accomplishments together at one time and I'm for sure your wife understands you know you move around the country performing and all that right because you know it takes for because I'm taking certain women. Bill Food Entertainment Could be promotional. Like I've been doing it before. She even kind of not sort of thing was that I didn't even know and I don't WanNa Christian talk but I. I didn't even know that the little her for me because of the situation you know so we were. We were dating for a while before we got married and I was like on the grind. The she don't leave the studios you don't you don't care about the studio which the great thank you. Of course I appreciate that real quick before we let you go man go. Let's do this guy right here. I now the coronas all over the place Jay's my co-host Sydney this is Bob Board Cologne the Corolla. Got This young lady over here. Sydney frigging out the Was the corona game. Plan over there with you already. We don't see this is funny because I've seen them knees with people talking to say and I and I'm not trying to be funny. But the corona virus is definitely. I awaken it. You know what I'm saying. Being that a Christian you know it says it already. You know what I'm saying. It's just the fact that you prepared. You know what to do for me. I've been doing this for a while. You know me and my wife is a couponer but we stocked up. That is not. The solution is a coupon we've been stocked up on the tissue on the The white on a musical hand sanitizers. Bsa I'm just. I'm blessed to give my family at the time you know what I'm saying because it was just opportunity you know I hate to say this but we can't go out and enjoy life life time. It makes you appreciate the small things you and then when corollas over you coming back outside right Stopped biggest parties in Europe. Come on here. We had like a anniversary punished shelter within grabbing at the end of the year before he will Winter Music Conference in my knee. You already know a lot of conferences and a lot of concerts. So we got you know. They're looking forward to this party. Which I was GONNA come to shut down the best weekend within the past Battery dispatched those Holyfield in Brooklyn Shelter. Rotate every year You got any new music coming out or we rocking with the classes. I'd music coming up. Always working with Latino no I produce a lot of a lot of these deejays like my first claim to fame with some in house game with ten recipe. We did a wreck on ears. Thinking the rookie came out. Two Thousand Eleven to thirteen thousand eleven corporation Dylan were getting and that was like the first thing I did with liked just really. I've been doing behind the scenes. A lot of records with a lot of Like the so-called in the club Is a record that I did do a lot of days with then? We also got a lot of records coming out with the. Dj's produce lots do that. I think is coming out so twos with David. Morales one with can be rather. I got a cover song duet with another young lady. Unleash it back in two thousand twenty good but you know because of the situation is what push back. When over Chester Comey's? He's an artist in his own house. Music field and is working with all the top. Dj's in the world making music. This guy is a winner. But it'd be no no you still a window is fine so modest over here. Listen UP FOLKS. Find you man because we're gonNA play the song since the social media. I listen I really appreciate you. Taking the time out in calling him in a this means a lot. Thank you brother you know we. We don't have to read this because he's touch every now and then we check it regularly some good things. No doubt we're getting are also to me. I am on Tiger Wolfing in the number one title town. So she will weren't going back into your thousand makes them beats man. We're going to go to commercial break. Man I'm GonNa hit you up later. Brother blessed they say you know what I'm saying? Let's play we get to this chaos as possible. Thank God bless women. Wait a minute say God bless you say God bless God? Bless you reading. I'M GONNA go first rate. God bless God bless God bless God bless God bless God bless piece. Pop play a song right now. I don't know so. Do we come back. Come back with us. Andy Chapman member of the week. And did we get into corona? Do what else are we? GonNa do right. I see all world. We just live in it. They WANNA hear move body by by Tiger that night on those guys take extra ten minutes for the Music. Kabosh shot in the weird fingers finding nine year help you have sharply where she left out of here she shelby shelby trying to get the corona. Okay we got some for her dollars. Don't come back up in here. So she can get a note that what she clear she clear. Because we don't know where Claire has been shaping here so I mean even don't from her doctor fourteen days that she is corona free yet. I got the Colby is we. Don't know where Claire is might put a thing out for her shadow Jennifer Fischetti. How are you Google for lettuce now again? I don't can anybody. Marshall Jefferson arrived. I love actually get together tomorrow night. Cartel who Jennifer Myself. Why can't of course it's cancelable? We've made those plan that applies. That was early June. Ah while she got somebody you know right you got up and no clear. Big Sheep Flag Right. She tried to be cleared Lee. Y'All be having white play all those men games while you guys are at home different. Some I like combat auto racing game. I told my friend. Tell me how to play my game. I really love it. They're making a movie. My brother showed me how to play. It's called God of war. What is that on that on Playstation x you guys. That game is intense. GotTa War and making your free character. Reappears Me Yeah? I saw that they said you fall. Your hey over here to me and my my kids are all this data passion. All you think tank by sock play Sport Nine financed this era stock. Play Games Frances. Maybe he can friend. My son caught up on his playstation. How old is your son? I think the same age. Maybe maybe my son you could York friends to play away because you know. Isaiah and areas that he plays the right now. I'll know about that. Rather have some real ones that out as serene when I said your name by spirit turned into not how serious the always listen to go home. And she's talking. Where CORONAS WON'T CRASH THIS? They're not going to get a game. Kinda. Don't wait like two weeks to get one anyway. It's ridiculous coming in Fourth Stirs Queen Diane. We read girl. You win here with Hannah warm. Yeah how are you a favorite? Is there a whole over there? I know I took one home by accident. I think that's a pure world cannot worry about it. I wanted to use it. I know he gave it to say how or where to use it. And WE WON'T BE. I'm I'm I four. We're back though back. Thursday Thursday march nineteenth twenty twenty four minutes after the hour. Welcome back Shaw morning. Show featuring Dj Long Coles wanted Cologne. Way Get you WanNa start it right. Chaperones Wide Open. Show some love or you can call them five seven zero nine eight hundred six. 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Tomorrow we'RE NOT GONNA be next. We'll be back the following week. She can't come send about her son. That called an exception. Okay God bless do fun thank you. We'll be going to do. We're going to announce a chat room member of the week brain whose current rule number two week. Dj as they write is right You need adhd is is fear GonNa give a new charter member of the Week. Very excited about it. You guys just sit right there and we are going to let you know who it is. I usually never know who it is so the day of but today I know Shawna's and now I never know where this sean you know everybody. He acts like he doesn't stay out of the drama. Gone just stop it back when we started knowing Ed is picking names. Picking people sitting out. You've talked creating time for that. So we over here. Creating chat is creating new material. We talked to the war next week. Alcohol sometimes a breaking up so look this will be going to do right now. Jay Are the folks that are there and they're all right so we're going to announce Chapman member of the week. I'm super excited. Send James Oh snap article at the Calabria Chapel. Take a break into chrome. So are you ready? One two three. It's Julie own chat room member of the week chat room member of the week. Hey you're the chat group chat room member of the week. Hey Go Juliet Juliet go. Hey Oh Chapman and Juliette Grad the weekend chat member the week. Hey to hey go. Juliet Juliet Chat Room member of the weekend. Chat Room of the week haven because you chat room member of the week. Hey Juliet fingers go to. I know isn't that so great young lady always in the chapel. Everybody shows I didn't hear O. Rien staring up to a few select full a happy for her. I'm so bad jumped in this thing. Man Everybody's shoulder loves you dedicated to the show excellent choice. J. Yes everybody are they. Are they all congratulate? Are Man you know what you've got to do is painful. It might be hauling. Didn't I didn't either. Hager was great. You didn't miss a girl it's on reward but you need to call it. She said Oh my God I missed it. Heard her being called back to back? Probably has a two hour mark. When you go back you have to call Juliette. What are you doing right now? You can pull majorie tells you win to tell Joanna could have been hurt by the actual breaking not listening to me. We did taught me words right right. That's how it works actual McCain down key words phrases get you a highlighter to think so And I'm so hungry got starving God starving Scott. Practice denied in Iowa to really were. You might be with the that bad. Why are you anyway not bad? I rarely go with one. Big BILL AT ELEVEN THIRTY. Faster Elliott. I wish like to go back the warm water. You'll be fine but then you you hungry again clock at night then you. Hollywood like six seven. Oh anybody hello to me. Think more room number the week. Hey chat through other beach him on. I can't wear your very well. Hold on a second. Let us know when you can you. Can you hear us now? I can get one more time. Because she's a chat room member other week. Hey because you chat bill out of the Week Chambal. Did you hear that okay? Let's listen to me. I want to say this. I truly appreciate your time with. If you spend one minute on this show you stay on here for a few hours. You come back and forth. I want to say thank you and I say that for a CJ. I'm Barbara Cologne. It really means so much to us that you jumped up on this thing and you a member of this community and family. I want to say. Thank you for that cake travelers. Now wait a minute on this enough. Now you rank up there with the all mighty prentice cops no pause blackhawks beat case find Stanley Earl. You represent this whole group throughout this corona fest. Two thousand twenty two next week you have to. You have to behave yourself young lady because you are now the leader of group. Warm now in all of this. Bobby we're GONNA give her the floor. Yea because each member usually speech they like to say or whatever they want to say sometimes put an chat room. So Bobby I'll start clapping. Effort would do. Everyone started clapping for our new Chapman. Member Week Juliet thing. Gone speech potential. Detriment SEAN IS AUTOMATIC. Enough time for my feet that what you said. I just WANNA thank everybody Everybody on the in the chat room has been very welcoming and very friendly and I appreciate you and you are in every single morning on China work from home so thank you all a welcome. Juliet should so excited for you. Sound so good over the phone. Yeah she does well. We got me excited. We'll a special moment for us as well because you don't know how much you help us each and every day in you do and we truly appreciate you come before we go ready to work. Hold on hold on. Hold on hold on hold hold on. I'M GONNA go. God bless you I he goes but God bless God bless God God bless God truly interesting on. We'll take this class job shortages out here you've got an essential worker on the phone player ran into somebody had Kobe. Catholic got good to work. That was just my job. Everything's GonNa be all right. Manager was life. But don't worry I'm making sharply part care the Barry Corona basket plans for. Y'All better. Call Your job you need. You need to get out on that. They're doing wrong ghetto. You are operating outside of the law right now. I feel more comfortable good. I'm just doing my part to stop the transmission. Exactly won't you going now on the show? Where are we going to cut back? It's going to be great that you're fired. God bless whatever. Just run me my coin. Whatever you WanNa do with me whatever's prentice and then when I got a new job will go through the trading together like we always do for three years. You've had seventeen shops Tom. I don't settle settled out dooming boy. It's all fresh home and feel like I have to go out here. Do strange things for training in the night off. Yeah shut up. Heroic says any less do Handy Ron. I'm going to have to face time. We can take shots every time. The News says Corona virus audible play drinking cain every time somebody says Colorado Virus Saad feel Good Friday. Good how agents right out I can sleep. Tonight is Thursday March. One Thousand Nine hundred twenty is if you could do goblets times for a course what. I mean Bethlehem right now guys. It is forty one degrees. The high will be fifty seven. Today's going to be cloudy and it's raining right now. It's going to pick up some time afternoon. So get out. Bella in Strasbourg is thirty nine. The high will be fifty five and same rain in northern New Jersey. Forty-three in behind is going to be fifty five today. Cloudy and rain around Afternoon Ish twelve one o'clock something like that in a New York City. It is forty degrees right now. In the high will be fifty five day cloudy and again rain avenue issues doom and gloom all over the place of wearing out so who cares get gold their work in Miami. It's seventy five degrees. The high will be eighty one today. Am clouds but they're gonNA give away the sun so it's going to be nice in sunny in Miami go to the Beach Camp. One whatever reason right now in Atlanta eighty one for the high cloudy In Chicago forty one degrees fifty seven for the high. Am Clouds and rain around one PM as well and in Los Angeles fifty fifty right now? Fifty seven for the high salary. Am Rain pick up rotting Lebanon Yam. That is where behalf you all today. What is the like where you are come and see? Lactation wanted to show featuring Jay we get him on skype. Thank your morning started right. Thank you so much barbecuing. I appreciate you on that thing down. Thank you all the help I can. Lord knows do the News Hill swelling. We've got today's elastic. So I WANNA partner up with some of these folks to entertain us what we again. This is what I'm GONNA say. Eight eight eight. I need you to make video to put it in chat wound play. Dj for the Chapman. Tricky Dick Tricky vague. Tricky Lewis debts. Okay just needed for clarification Fletcher Cookie. The over all good. There was a rapid back back. God bless tricky deal off beloved Lewis a need you to play some party music as well and we approve it Bobby Cologne. And we'll put it in chapter of our beloved numbers that Supporters Star Boogie is he. He's my stop boogie. I need you make a few videos and I want to put it in the Chapman while the group will on well While we while we out and as far as the radio shows cj you. Donald really advocate for new of a radio station. But what we do. But I'm gonNA break the trend right now. The Queen Diane's in there. I saw the Queen Diane and beloved Thomas Jones. Cj they do a radio show orbiting on cliff and I Khalil in Stephen Of Station. We used to work for. Iran cited right now. I don't I don't think back on what we're doing a show. The doom came in for doing the show right the system puddle. Right Senate everything show. This guy comes into takes all the equipment. Why are we doing? Joe Yes Did the Queen. She and I saw the Queen at Thomas Jones out the love it. A city gentleman advocate and I wanted to direct everybody going over there. They do a show on clearance every Tuesday night and I would love I'll full Senate. We're going to be out next week. So I'll folks. I won't show the gone over there to the Queen and the time Jones. I WANT TO SUPPORT THEM NEXT. Tuesday night porn clear. Fm So let's go over there. Let's support whatever they're doing over there because the Queen always a barbeque. Cologne over show was lovers. Each and every time so Going over there. We're going to run over there for a few minutes. It's going in there. Say hello to them. And they chat room or Thomas Jones in the Queen Diane. So that's it that's raw. Bogey on a neat music for the next week. Tuesday I want you all to support the Queen and Thomas Jump? Tricky Lewis Music and DJ. A music deejays Cadillac KIDDING USING. And whatever else in there that the DJ's play music for us. That members of this show. I call on all of Y'all get music ready. Don't do too much time just about half an hour. Forty five minutes bobby. Cologne will approve it. And it will support the queen on her of in with. We approve that show next tools and our group when we don't do that city but we will yield to the people who support us and I won't appreciate the Queen and Thomas. Now guess what closed cities. Moods change the bipolar. I can I tend to follow it because I have that and also with DAB of the. Adhd I don't think you suffer from Jay you concentrate very well but everything mentally very disturbed God blessed because we all know that and we all knew it out about each other. Nasa makes this show the Super Blessed. Because we'll have no shame in our game right. You're not GonNa look at me weird when apt out just talk is right for all it is you want. We are here living the best life. We had nothing weird. Why go do some fun page news? Oh let's clap with title Wilson. Right off his right now. Right and Julia and Julia come on Pink pages with C. J. Enjoy Sydney tapes. The Best Show Double Talk. Show J G Asu. Y'All great thank. You got a new job. You Got News. Yeah we've seen what do I don't have. I don't even know if I know but I we. We have the news for you. There are some things that are going on. Some things I it's very weird. Okay the first the. Us government is now preparing for eighteen months of corona virus pandemic. Yes Girl C. I. Everybody's talking about these two but that might mean just preparing for eight months of like a just preparation may be like finances getting everything the travel industry back to where it needs this going to be so. It says preparing for eighteen months of corona virus pandemic including multiple waves of illness. Meaning maybe we'll peak and it'll stave off for a little while maybe come back up. You know we don't know the ominous I'm nouncement comes after cases in the. Us spiked forty percent interest. Twenty four hours about nine thousand Americans have now tested positive for the virus and at least one hundred forty nine half side Most of those have been on New York. Washington and California Singapore also reported. Its biggest single day job in cases and South Korea which has been watching the number of affection slow reserved. Optimism is now seeing a new spike in cases and clusters But there's also report that eighty two thousand people worldwide have recovered from it as well so it's just very conflicting reports like is it going down going out. Meanwhile India is bracing for the arrival of Twenty six thousand people from the Persian Gulf region Mostly Blue Collar workers returning home from Labor contracts in a Gulf countries. The new arrivals will be quarantined for fourteen days at twenty six thousand people whether even be quarantined they hold in house and there and in China. The country has reported no new local elections which was great for the first time since the pandemic began months ago. Making a critical step in containment which is great however a lot of other countries are doing things that we're not doing though too which is causing them to have this slowed delayed and the people are more cooperative than they are. In America. Americans are very stand. Offish are being very They don't which I don't blame them because I was at first but the more information that you'll learn and the things that are happening you should be changing your activity because we live in coach that we feel like we can do anything we want. We'll be due disrespect the scientists because all of us want to go on Web. Andy also when you have the president telling everybody that it's fine. It's fine it's fine and now you want to give out and just there's a lot of ignorant people that are listening to him are the ones that are spreading in. That's the problem This also is an alarming rate Telling us before the the National Registry to apply for guard has crashed that is coming from the city of Philadelphia They've released restore reports In Philadelphia have come out the police. Commissioner I guess in Philadelphia has said that they are no longer arresting For Low level crimes Bear with me one second. Say Listen. You're running out the mind the gun. You're looking stupid right now. First of all. I don't think this thing is going to wait for about ninety days. They giving you unemployment. Just got unemployment is it. I've minutes ago giving you a check for thousands of two thousand dollars within the next sixty days waving your rent and your mortgage given stimulus package to the country to all the Lenders Call Loan folks and all of that to keep them going so they don't ask us for any money back so they're gonNA give us two or three months defense of given the the the the stock market billions of dollars to stay open. Wouldn't you buying a gun? For if you stay your puck ass in the house for fourteen. Vote the millennials. You can't tell them nothing. Stay in the House for fourteen days. You get two thousand dollars. You don't have to pay your bills for two months claiming it's freezing. We'll golden it. You guys just have to close an open area. Philadelphia officers are to stop making arrests on. Nonviolent crimes. The list what. They consider nonviolent all narcotics offenses theft from retail theft by auto burglary vandalism any bench warrant you have individual. Yes stolen auto. While they're they're not gonNA rest you so if you have a bench warrant stolen automobiles economic crimes. Meaning you know bad checks low fraud and prostitution. I told you whatever you'll get your point Nevada and now you can go and look every Gilliam. Gillan was a week we wanted. What's going to happen is if you are found to be doing any of things they're going to detain you just to get like your personal information and then you'll be released to her turn to return at a later date wrote so people are very concerned about that There's not going to be able to get a gun because the Barbie just said it in the report the system crash. He's still got to wait three weeks to get approved anyway. And then you're GonNa get a gun and then guess what's going to happen by that time legislation to come down so you can't get it done so you don't you stood on line like frigging idiot for the last two days. All over the state of Pennsylvania's this day you can purchase a gun if you you know you clip check on like New York in New Jersey. They don't have that you can't buy so now you now. You know you're not you don't have a gun. Wait on line for two hours looking. You look stupid right now. Save punk ass in the House for two weeks. That's all says if you healthy you find even if you catch it and you help us stay in house for two weeks. Fine But New York City won't do occur continuously. New York City there to begin releasing inmates amid the corona virus outbreak. Mayor Bill De Blasio plans to release vulnerable inmates from city jails to prevent the spread He said in the next forty eight hours and this was released. yesterday In the next forty eight hours Identify any inmates need to be brought out because either their own health conditions like if they have any pre existing conditions or because the chargers were minor and they think it's appropriate to bring them out in this in this time so they said they're gonNA need their criminal justice system to function. This comes down as a correction officer and an inmate both tested positive for the deadly illness on this past week. Listen does he have the power to do that. I is Louie La folks out of jail sub city officials including public advocate. Jemaine Williams have pushed the city to begin releasing prisoners who are over fifty years old and at low risk for reoffending The city of correction which oversees the jails cassette in a statement that the big apple needs to follow the lead of Los Angeles and Ohio authorities. Who who have already started to release inmates to try to prevent the spread of the potentially deadly contagious happy day. The city must begin. This process now would be go. This'll in Jill's out. Yeah they're going to realize either. The city's jails have particular challenges to prevent transmitting day and even more so during a public health crisis so that his wife he strapped up to come back to you and take your toilet tissue. How Greg over your life over twelve. That is what's causing people enlarge white somebody or you're going to get into a gunfight with somebody that wants your toilet tissue really not logo while people are afraid if they're out of jail on a bill to shoot a gun you have it in Your House. You're not you're not built to shoot that. Hopefully what you fire a gun is a point of no return when you want to go that route now. You take two shots that I did. You might say hey quit. I was only playing. There's no more plain sub just saying I've been involved in stuff like that I think that's just fear and panic. People are feeling like people are going to break into their house or anything on the on. The Belt do came in and rob the place and shot up. The whole place was moved. Grant. Let's go right over my head. Believe senior right. I said I'm dying right now. This other guy starts shooting now. They all ran out your for that. I don't know if you built for that is if you have. They probably have one to watch out of Robert so that is going on right now so everybody everybody just be careful instead of we don't Trot Robin Wright about my gut you're trying to rob somebody whether they're Jamaicans north. They called North because he stayed locked up right of northgate. Uh-huh came out. They had they. Weather's just yeah the usually using their own thing. Yeah and I turned around Iran them. I five with a fire back. It gets real and if you ever been in that type of situation Dow blessed with you. Haven't I don't know if you bill for that. I know like seriously somebody breaks into your house if they ever went for. That shoe was getting no question. Shoot it at you or you built the shoot back of you on the street. How note you know Tissue Paper Tissue Paper? You violate my privacy and my favorite is without bills shooting built shoe bat. Yep Five Point. Seven magnitude earthquake gun city that the plastic is gonNA listen to. Sean people that have their guns love them. They'll see you bill Ferguson. Up Five point seven Mac is going to shoot your ass back at you okay. They're not going to say that. I have God but I don't know how to use just saved his point seven magnitude earthquake in Utah knocks out power to thousands and diverts flights Salt Lake City area Wednesday morning Received earthquake power to tens of thousands and suspending work at. Utah's public health lab amid the corona virus pandemic Mormon Temple I'm sorry the Utah Earthquake damaged a Mormon Temple and knocks trumpet from Iconic Angel Statute. That was sitting there Flights to Salt Lake International Airport diverted departures were postponed and terminals and concourses were evacuated. The quake was centered about ten miles west of Salt Lake City near the city of Magna told me. Oh are you saying that there was only with corona going around? Now there's an earthquake rain. They said it didn't feel like a smaller. Quick at all A woman she heard things in her kitchen falling who lives in a city not far from there. This is the state's most powerful earthquake since nineteen ninety two when a magnitude five point nine tremblor struck the St George Area which. Utah's division of emergency. I don't think no less than one percent. Check this about Baloney problem There were no samples being tested at the time of the earthquake. the Does that mean? Oh they're assessing the lab for damage and testing will resume when the building is determined to be safe. Oh that's The state's corona virus hotline which residents call to request to seek information. There's a you know they had earthquake. So it's stop over there so they don't know yet right now before you get your next door barbeque northwest. Since we're talking about Corona would again we? Can we let folks know I really don't know Barbie Cologne? What are the symptoms of the Corona? With would like. How do you know what I don't know? The symptoms of his symptoms are cough fever. Okay and I forget the other one dry cough fever and shortness of breath so those are the Off Fever shortness of breath. Yeah Allen's sneezing sneezing and sneezing four combination. He and then and then what happens then? That's when you gotTa go while they say you I mean if you have you go and tell them that you have a cost or sneeze. They're not gonNA test you more. So if you're experiencing the shortness of breath and the shortness of breath is like your breathing but you can't get a full breath and the NFC ver- preferably over one hundred or those who believe we never know ninety nine. Yeah so so. Are you saying it's more of clone more shortness of breath and feeble comparison to coughing? Sneezing yeah shortness. Yeah because if you have coughing and sneezing they're going to tell you. I call the hotline already. Yeah they say what because my mind that yes? This is something we need to know. What is it a one hundred? Yeah number I put it in the food. But they're not gonNA everybody. Has It all the number? What happens they ask you your symptoms and my God? Don't be tying up the line for those people. Emergency call you over here calling for Non News. I'll tell you what they say. She put the number in their later. They said they took my name. They took my number. They told me they ask me. If I came into contact or if anybody you know if there was you know 'cause they WANNA know at first. We'll did you come into contact with anybody question right what happens and then. I said no no and I may say what are you experiencing right and I saw a cough and they said yeah right and they said is there a subway so that I could go to get tested and they said no as of right. Now we're GONNA have another triage nurse contact you And Go over like everything going on. Nothing left a message. But I didn't get to speak to the lady but they said that you need to. They're probably just GonNa they tell you to stay home. And just monitor your symptoms and if you have a fever or shortness of breath they'll see if you can go into somewhere local to get a test they have to see what areas around you because some places don't have like Saint Luke's hospital you have to be admitted first before they're gonNA give you a test and Lee Valley Hospital. They have some places set up like the one they used to be. Pocono medical out there in the POCONOS. They're supposed to be having places set up but you can only go there like if you have a fever. So bobby how you feel. Do you have any of these symptoms? I feel good to say. How are you feeling okay? We'LL BE RIGHT BACK. Brooklyn Cabin Gop. Play much like it. You have symptoms that you deal with a just stay home. They're going to just stay home for. Fourteen days is awesome. You don't WanNa be running for the office anyway because it there trees until it becomes a point. We can't tell any college you can have the food. You can have progress on top even if Whatever get an offer mine as you want? Where are you going anyway? I don't want to say it lies store. They say thank you can go to like Tar. You like the weather's getting a little nicer like you can go out for walks like on a trail. Take your kids to heart like heart like other little kids play. Don't go there voter like somewhere out. In the hopes they'll play a sport with an open wheel something where there's other people around. I call the hotline today because I have a show. Sure with my cousin in upstate. New York and job for us. Your Gel got sports and then we closed out. Yeah I'm just one more story Just about this legislation. Still moving forward With lgbt rights and like other things are still happening in the country. Idaho's legislature is moving forward with a controversial bill that would effectively block transgender people in the state from changing the listed sex on their birth certificates to match their gender identity. This has been going on with. Different states are allowing people to change the sex on their birth certificate idea. I remember talking with what they identify. Wins agreed to suspend all we Corolla Day. You want to go. Let's stop being gave a five minute three months. Bring that up in Corona. Galway thousands of people are ready to do this. And they're waiting for the Legislative Idaho. Idaho a that many do they wanna you be community. Sit Back and calm down for five minutes. We Got Corolla going on is you all is always got to be about you guys and all your rights being gay. 'cause you love the peanuts in the PA- giant calmed down. Can we get coronal earth and then you could go back to doing the things that we do? Because Gay folks rule the world you could ruin the world. I don't care but not now corona out here should be six feet away from each other and you should be and if your man should be touching man's penis doing I advocate for gay. You know that Cindy J. delegate cousins. I'm wolf gay marriage I don't care about that when you get divorced transgender. Martha's Day city. You'll get the game that you can be transgender and still like you're still be attracted like so if you want to if you wanted to turn into a woman like women sound frazier ads. You can't even justify day folks. I love you and you know the gay parade. Stacey Jackson Sidney J in east. No that's not because if you're a man but why be identified as a woman you still like women your man that likes women. That's not gay. Show having one show synagogue morning the identified answer Sean. Oliver want to be a woman. So you look yeah. It was shown. Come on guys so I just got over being really fix which trip though and I was listening to some of the things I say and even though you have steptoe and you don't have a case of one of Iris and they feel the need to stay in the House with fourteen days which is great. My question always been. What do you do after fourteen days because when you go outside of the fourteen days and the other people that did not take heed to what should have been done is still out there? You still run the risk so I don't like anybody by safe anyway. We'll this was. This was saying they want you to stay inside because to monitor your Sam Tom Right. So this is the thing like this has to be unified throughout the country. If possible millennials will let us. Everybody got to stay in the house. I know sounds impossible. Everybody's gotTa stay in the House. Fourteen days everything gotTa stop for fourteen days and we all got to do it at the same time like for example at the end of the month on the twenty ninth. Everybody's staying house. Fourteen days right the whole country like Italy right now. Stay in the house for fourteen days and then. Purvis dog going down. That's what I'm saying that everything that everybody else is doing. We're not doing. That's why I don't feel like they're gonNA get shut down. They closed whole company. Dow and only essential employees. There I guess to keep things running to make sure that people can log on and work from home and do it. But it's a very small crowd and also my husband unfortunately still works in New York. Have to go to work there. They're still open. They're still Telling them they have to come in. And one of the conversations I had today was got work. Your safety. So you've gotTa Try 'cause you know me being strapped to the amusements week. You come back here that makes me nervous everyday Z. Sickness is he. Is He your fourth every day to New York? Talk at my sister's house The DAYS THAT HE WORKS DOUBLE. Um which Mondays and Wednesdays not all the time but sometimes actually he's been set up going back and forth to stay see somebody. He's got to stay in New York until this things and he has to be contained in New York for fourteen days keeping because everybody is trying to sell Crafts yourself they They've been trying to do the. Betsy cancelled employees to be safe. When they you know they they Max grubbed up to ever they. You know. Do all that but to me. If he's still out there but metropolitan the metropolitan area like New York needs to take the leader. San Francisco's injury is to what I said. I've been saying to my Barbican often last week. Sousa hit New Yorkers Iraq. They everybody gotta go inside. You can still dine in in New York over. I don't know why they playing in New York is actually playing. And when I went to the knocker come into Saint Louis and I've been sixers Friday so I'm better I'm I'm over. The Strip through is done. Thank God but they are not playing. They definitely were. My daughter and my son can mask. They did not let anybody sit there. Like a exposed. They asking the questions and now they have a rule. Put in place that if you go to the doctor if I had to go back for any reason I would only be able to take one person with me. And that's the person who has had take me have you don't have to take somebody if you can make it on your own. They are strongly suggested that you come by yourself. You know what the feeling Sean. What I'm saying saying if I was running everything. New York City will be shutdown. Today's we're at all that closes everybody inside for fourteen days or twenty days. Everybody saw everybody that you know. The stimulus count if they have. This happens Jay which I will inject capital into this society because we keep everything running right so it gives us an opportunity to stay inside and if you gotta go look the door for five minutes and come back in our net. I'm not even doing that to me. I'm just saying I'm fifty four years old. I'm not trying to Get Sick because sometimes you know when you get older. It's harder to kick. I definitely have asthma ever use. I'm not trying to do anything extra. I'm in my house. I got everything I need from working from home. I come to shut down. My throat was closed. It finally closed constraint yesterday until everybody come can stay the the longer you know you're done like most people are concerned with or if I am I getting their money back if they're not in school not the objective in hand is to stay focused on just trying to get everybody safe for everybody's so concerned about other things that nobody's on the same page. I think they're doing that though. For Penn State did you. Does your daughter go there penn state. They're doing a pro rated stay on campus woke her. You know she's she's part of the backwell teams or if you make from live in California from live in Baltimore live in Washington and they you know they have to get out of here. Yeah we'll tell them to check because they're doing a pro rated ration- for your room and board and also you yet candidate you stay in the house. Noble honorific gotta stay in New York. He's I'm GonNa tell you this. This is the this is the. This is a big game and they could probably help somebody else. They say if you have to have someone who has to go off at your household and they have to work in a different state or even just here when they come in like. I have stuff for him in the bathroom downstairs. Go downstairs Ukraine yourself off. You leave all your clothes off. They're put him in the back. Go Straight to the laundry room and you are to change your clothes. Sanitize everything for you. Upstairs what what you have to kind of do you do? You got the lights on in your house in the dark scared talking in the dark knight no way to hold on hold on God bless God bless? You said that so. The house in the door came across. Son Does something all I could be by phone all day. Nobody's bothered me. I don't feel like I need to be doing something else. Be Tricky tricky like back. Tricky Lewis due to make some music for next week whenever you get a chance to entertain our beloved a Chapman Diana or we all support her show To Stop Boogie. We need music Dj and all the digits. What else city I can on your just chopped my. Lgbt story shot out to Idaho. Don't worry you guys you'll get your rights. As soon as the corollas over gave. It has everything to be and not listen gay rights. You know that I was watching. I was caught the last part of that that parade with Stacey Jackson last some eastern first gay parade down. Woodall gave anyway and I stayed for the party. They're gay folks all over the place. You were dancing. 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JJ Redick, Big Ben Is A Warrior And Guys On Chicks

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JJ Redick, Big Ben Is A Warrior And Guys On Chicks

"On. Today's part in my take. We have JJ rettig from the bubble awesome conversation with JJ WE TALK. About. The season starting back up playing with Zion how much coach K. Paid Zayn how jj can get hateful again because people like him, which means the world is not a right. We also have hotseat. Cool. Thrown guys on chicks. Billy's big sheet big sheet with billy also billy gets might actually be leaving I soon, don't get too excited guys You'll find out during the. Interview, 'cause he might hire billy before we get all that we brought to you by the cash. APP partake has always brought to you by the cash out we're in the cash, not the easiest place send money to your friends. It's the safest. So. Go download the cash APP right now you can link directly your bank account is super easy and it's super easy to send money to your friends family. Co Workers Whoever needs that money to? Hey fencing football season's coming back up. 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Shot went in and he didn't sell his head went down on the hardwood and he just closes is like a person like that that has any. Any idea was an one refs blew that one. But a person that reacts like that that guy is dude, just just don't send him a a double team in off you know off season scrimmages. Yes and don't let him tweet. Don't let him tweet but two sons Yeah. I mean, it's all everything's been great. Sons are actually three Oh they're not going to make the playoffs put. It's cool to see young like everyone's playing really well, and then we got hockey which I forgot how much it sucks to stay up to one in the morning watch team lose. But that's even even that I did with a smile on my face because I was like you know what? It's okay because I'm I can cut myself and I bleed again I'm. Not Prepared for overtime playoff hockey for meaningful games yet, I saw the cops get into overtime game yesterday against the lightning that game doesn't really count for anything besides seating. So it's not a true like adrenaline rush that you normally get where either gonNA survive or die at the end of it but still like you gave me a little taste and now I'm now I'm afraid again overtime hockey so all his right in the world. Yes all's right in the world I had So I was staying up to like one of the morning to watch the Blackhawks I had to kind of Dumb half-sleep ideas. One was why why aren't we just doing the NCAA tournament right now like if someone Something to do school who cares yeah. Hey, whoever wants to win the presidential election just pay for it like that would be pretty good or how about a bubble unless you do the NCAA tournament just have Jim. Nance show up in a gym and whoever shows up they get to compete. Yeah. Winner gets his tight I'm good with that. Just maybe the sixteen top sixteen teams I don't know do. We have duke has eliminated themselves basically watching and simply tournament with basketball all day like just send the college teams. Let's just fucking do it. Can someone explain to me going back to hockey the difference between? The ice and Edmonton and the ice in Toronto because the Toronto Saas loopy. TORONTO. soupy choppy. It's like an ice soup. It's like stew almost and also. Boonies. But when you play the other part is played three games a day there. It sucks even more at the end of the night. Bad Zamboni Toronto, that's what people are telling me. Yeah. Okay, I think it's all. Further south. So girls ups, you get southern the day the sun is directly over the arena. So it makes it makes it hotter inside this. Nice and cool I love the hat trick though the hat trick where they have it insistent fucking walked down onto the ice carrying a single hat in her hand and threw it over the over the glass onto the ice they should get a t shirt cannon they should have a t shirt cannon installed. Up in the broadcast booth and they can just fire hats the from like a gatling gun. It's also so funny hockey is dissimilar sport hockey and baseball similar sports where like if you see a basketball or football player like those guys are are just further either tall, they're they're huge. They're they're built when you're watching hockey or baseball like I was watching the hawks game I think Karmic David had a hat trick and they did like a weird. Training with Connor mcdavid during the quarantine he was like doing squats with his dog and I just looked at him. I was like this guy this guy is like one of the best hockey players in the world because he just looks like a regular do. But he's fucking good. Yeah. Really. Good. are built different unfairly good. So my other high weird idea was, how crazy would it be if runner test was still playing the NBA that he would go nuts. Because of the the Jersey. Oh, I thought you were talking about no fans from to go into the stands and he just treat you like office space and start smashing equipment. He'd be like peace world peace. Oh. Yeah. Piece. Like twelve in the morning I was just like, no, that's that's crazy. That's a very good high what it was world peace like what would his message because he already is world peace a- like how how much bigger can you get world peace world peace world peace would be a great game but like yeah, you're you're there your world I don't know that was that was the only little life back for MBA. Players chain your last name then you can put whatever you want. I do appreciate the NBA started putting the names on the bottom so that you like when the Eighth Guy Comes off the bench like Oh, that's who it is. Yes launched another plumlee. Oh No, it isn't. It's not it's not for every player I don't think it's for just for certain players know. He had he had vote on top and millsap on the bottom and he's number four. Yeah. So it was. End John Rent had enough marantz. Knows like so we've just had too much morale like what the hell. Did Start Doing I think after the first game, they're like people don't know who's like the like I. said the guys on the bench. So they started putting their names on back which I appreciate. But yeah, I just world peace will IDA drunk idea or no his highchair yesterday it was. About Golf us because. It was so brooks. Did you see that Brooks Capterra had he's got new polar coming out because somebody always looks hot chirp them on the chorus last week and said something like Brooks is playing. So poorly should be a truck driver and who's during a rain delay who fight him and so he replied, yeah Brinks Truck A. Comeback come back suck our dicks anonymous guy. But I was thinking why don't why don't golfers have uniforms like earth assures -I that that the fans can wear if I want to go out and support Brooks Koepka, I have to spend like twenty weeks in gym and get swollen. Shit for people to know that kept get supporter food. Why don't we make uniform surveys for Golfer? How `Bout One Golfer why can't why can't golfers were shorts? How Stupid Zach good question like when they play in the shell open in. HOUSTON. In the middle of August and it's two thousand degrees. Why can't they wear short kilt Bryson would actually where killed? By the way you really wear romper around him or years late. He'd be a real shame if people started tweeting aunt emojis at price into sham real shame during the PGA championship. I think we now have a Bingo board where have we bash Bryson yet in this episode? Shek. He's replaced Bell, Eras, person that we hate to give shine to but we will regardless mention every single episode to listen Darren. Just he's just tweeting things. You guys are taking it wrong. That's true. Just facts fucking only. I think that. We jumped to the NFL real quick. I did have one thing I wanted to address. I'm I'm starting to get afraid for the NFL season. Gardner though to gardeners. Okay. We can get to that in a second, but is it time for the NFL to either consider? Football Island. Or just a hostile takeover of Canada to ensure that we have a site that is covert free. I think. Like I said on Monday I think it was Monday show I'm just confident that football. After, doing it for so many years they'll jus- all lie about it. All the doctors players just lie about it and Yeah I mean I I guess it's the wrong thing to do. But I also, I'm not gonNA accuse anyone of lying buying remind by mind is looking sweeter and sweeter by the day isn't it? Yes I'd agree. But yeah, football I don't know it's just so weird everything's weird right now because you you we should be seeing clips from training camps and stuff and I feel like you don't see any of that. You see every every team has done the welcome back where it's just a bunch of guys walking the facility. That's it the lions have you seen their sanitizing protocol? No, i. saw the. Stafford just broncos the broncos lions they have the widow lakes sprang whatever the fuck that is the broncos. Yeah I said it was somebody. That was his tanning machine. They just replaced with like a disinfectant. LYSOL. Yeah Kelly Stafford went after the NFL because I guess. I'd like to false negatives or something positive saws of the whole thing is crazy. She said that her kids were being bullied on the school yard because they were saying Oh your dad's got corona dam which. Kids that was great by the way jeeter getting in front of everyone and being like. Hey Everyone Stop Corona shaming so my guys went out to the bar. You don't shame somebody if they have measles, you don't shave. You don't shame people if they have lupus you shame people please Herbie's will yeah. We kind of do we do all the time? It's one of my favorite things to do as a matter of fact. I. Don't I don't want. Dez. Bryant to test positive for the coronavirus. But all I'm saying is that if he does I've got a tweet ready that's going to go mega viral. Does call. How are you helpline mega by how mega mega via like insanely viral. Okay. Everyone's GonNa make that same joke. Off You know what I'm doing I'm getting ahead of it. On alerts on I would have tweeted that out if it wasn't a mean thing to tweet and. But. Just so you know that everybody that does tweet. Those are all collectively those remind gates, right? Yeah. Those up. That's his viral as you can get. Yes. You to go viral than that Ellen tweet. Cut. That we're bleeper name burning then the tweet then the tweet. Yeah. Debt also had Kevin Spacey in it People don't talk about that. We just forget about that. Parton. All right let's kid too hot. See. Cool. Thrown hot sequel thrown is brought to you by the Bud Light Seltzer on hotseat this week our beer runs with sports coming back our friends at Bud Light. No you can't miss any precious seconds of the game. 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Awol's stories free money if you like free money this is something that we've been working on for upwards of eight months was something else supposed to start right when the coronavirus pandemic started. So baby pushed off it is my baby. Enormous I have multiple. For eight months. Oh, exactly. Play Barstool. It's an APP. You can download today today as the launch of the APP within that is going to be stool streams, which is my baby. Jake is like I. Guess you know he's kind of like my co mom my mom in the situation we it's our baby together. So Jake is your mom. So it's Jake Jake pick is the mom the MOM. Be My sex. Whereas irs as my see what? Hey. You're. Jake. For me Oh Jason and you're helping you're the ones held. It hosts in your bottles. Posted yet carrying what's billy? Billy is not involved. Okay. It's still that's actually a great selling. Morsel, you can download the APP store we're going to be doing broadcasts every day in the kick is that if you six six questions, you can fill it out in a minute. If you go six for six, you in five hundred dollars, what's free to play? So it takes a minute to fill out. All you have to do is download the play Barzel. APP. In the APP store, we're going to be doing two times a week to start. We're GONNA work our way up to more pf t you guys are going to be in the first Jenga broadcast a week from today a week from Wednesday. Play Barstool. Up rated. Five stars, let's cut that thing go and and that's my card five, hundred dollars, five hundred dollars and it's no one goes six for six. Let's say you know five, ten, thousand people enter the contest knowing goes six or six carries over the next contest so that the winner of the next contest win one thousand dollars. Eighteen hundred so we're going to be playing ping pong on it. Yeah, and then people can watch at home and what can they do interactive? They make they can make pick. So it's like there's going to be three matchups per broadcast. Let's say it's a man PF t jake and Marley Mush and hubs and Frankie Borelli you make picks for each of those three. If you download the APP, you understand it but you make picks if you go six for six, five, hundred dollars in your pocket no question question Hank yes we oh, you said no questions asked Emma now you can ask, oh question Hank. What's what's stopping someone from throwing games And having a huge scandal takeover stool shrink every contestant that is involved in stool streams will be signing a waiver. If they break any of the rules on that waiver, they will be blackballed from the league forever I haven't signed a waiver yet. I. Just like to say that okay. What happens if you blackball everyone in the office? Then will all probably get in trouble from our parent company Penn National Because you know this is this is that we really disagreed company is a greater company initiative. So if you guys are big cat I mean, I know you have stock in the company I feel you should be. Trying to help boost it up but if you choose not to, that's that's your decision. Oh, I listen. Hey, don't accuse me of anything. Don't say that we're not. We're not as stocks memes science to go stocks me. I'm like to fuck in hacker in. Social Network I'm trying to just find the whole slew can help you out yes. There will be absolutely no no cheating on the up and up no listen I have integrity for the point shaving no point show you can point Shave Jenga no, you can't it's true there no points billy's thinking about it billy figure out a way play Barstool in the APP store please download it in my life Yeah hands-on Actually, Shit. Yes I do how? If play Barstool doesn't do well, you will my normal away. No. Yes. Sorry. Doesn't depend on it. Come on. Hank. Hank has to get a cat. If it doesn't go. Well, why don't we say more than twenty five, thousand people sign up on August eight, hundred, thousand people sign up on drop day I will get a cat. Okay there you go. Two hundred dollars. Yeah. We get to pick out the cat no. I don't. Allergic to cats. Cat It's got to be don't show hypoallergenic. Out We'll get one of those fucking. HYPO allergenic two, hundred, thousand. They want. To get him one of those cats without any for. That looked like. Two hundred thousand people down the. People I'll get a cat give them till Thursday on cat isn't there like a there's a Filipino service I think it's called Oh desk where you can pay guys to just download APPs to. Know, we need real world download. Okay. Yeah. Real real downloads you got to. You will get a camera cat. All right. Let's fucking do it. Everyone knows seriously. We're very excited for this play Barstool in the APP store got in the APP store. APPS store. wherever you download APPS and if you WANNA watch them the broadcast tool shrimps, youtube channel uploaded all the You know we've done a lot of practice runs a lot of stuff like that. Check that out, see the product any question? You probably saw a bunch of Greek like we were doing it. It's it's fucking sick. Yes. Yeah, and Seen has nothing was born for. This is just a very, very small appetizer what we're going to be putting on right and with the money involved win money free dancer no risk higher awards Jason. minute. To Fill Jamie money your fellow Padilla `grats I'm not in Manila, nobody wants to Miguel. Jake Michael Wilbon Hitler, and reveal. I'd say your fellow, MacDill Grads, hair are they like? To that's sick you're getting to call Jenga. Yeah I mean it is I'm excited. It's awesome. I'm a dream Yeah. I'm going to prep for every broadcast as if I'm calling game seven worlds. Yes. Prep for every match that I beat Pingpong. Right we we do. We do pre-game production meetings and everything like you know you're your incredible for for. The job I'm very excited for all this. Thank you and. Hang Good. Offer all this finally unveiling Yup the Dad, the mom good job billy for just staying out of the way. All right PFC, what's your Hussy Coulter on my hot seat? Is the corona virus. That's right. It's back on the hot seat because we've discovered a vaccine and that's just being Gardner mentioned cigar dementia tested positive and he said that the virus took one look at him and turn the other way. So even though we reported on, Monday that Gardner was out for the season that was a mistake which I did correct in real time as they learn what the cove list was a gardener just shook off the virus in. A day and a half two days. So just be garments you. Drink. From. The hose. took one look at me and ran the other win. Corona virus boom I liked that my other hot seat is. Vince McMahon. Because the rock. Purchase the XFL, and my understanding of the situation is Vince had a shell company that ran the xfl last year right that company declared bankruptcy it was going to go up for auction I believe today it was going to go up the rock swooped in, bought it for fifteen million before winter open auction. And I think that this is work I think that I, think that this is wwe situation where the rock bought McMahon's baby from underneath them, and now it's going to be like a wwe style feud, which is what the xfl should be in the first place. It should be about like entertainment. You know it should be about like have all these back storylines where maybe like a podcast gets a job on things like that to goose up the ratings a little bit but the rock is going to be running the show I. Think it's going to be electric entertainment when it does come back and I think they're going to bring it back in February again. I'm across anything because I don't want her to thank us big categories with everything. I'm going to abstain. Did opt out of the NFL. So all all that shit that I was talking about Donut Metlife, this is mostly me not having to travel to metlife stadium every Sunday which is only like thirty minutes away but still. Watching the pregame shows. Some opting out of the NFL I am declaring myself eligible for the xfl again when it starts in February, my cool thrown is milk. Milk is on the cool throw. Derek jeter way look like that I don't know I'm ready for milk or Derek. Jeter said that one of the guys on the marlins tested positive he wasn't going out these guys weren't going out and partying one went to a dinner at a house in specified what house it could have been international house of pancakes or Waffle House. But it was at a house he went out for dinner not a party and the other person that got it went out to get. A glass of milk. So I'm actually I I would understand leaving a hotel room to go out to get a glass milk if you have like a dry batch of cookies if you milk is one of those things where if you get it in your head that you need a glass of milk, you have to go get a glass of milk. You'RE GONNA Hankering for if it's beer, it's just don't have a beer or just mini fridge they don't have milk in many. In hotel rooms if you get in your head that you're thirsty need milked, washed down, orioles gets where you're going to do come hell or high water. You're going to go get some fucking milk milk and did you see chocolate milk viral marketing campaign? No Katie lucky swimming the length of a bow? Yes. was that hard. No spins everyone's like this is the craziest thing. Ever I'm actually just asking the question was that hard I don't know. I think it's yeah. It's pretty difficult. But yes, that's something that it would be like if someone shot a basketball from I don't WanNa. Seem distance with. Yes it's hard. Okay. Symbol I've never. I don't have anything to compare no one in this room could do more than like two strokes. I totally disagree also she I believe was wearing snorkels so she couldn't move her head at all the normal swimming stroke taking your breath every culture that would require you having your head a lot snorkel I could do. It just means she has great swimming form. down. So I could get that linear travel. Milk we we would never know because we only swim underwater. Do you ever Bank Jacksonville? Hot seats is. Unfortunately are good for a Jim Harbaugh because there's a story told on podcast. What podcast was it I don't even know. One. Of those podcasts out there what Jim Harbaugh, another milk fan yes. Another milk van. The hotel he has, and he will again Isaiah Wilson said that he was going to. He was being recruited by Michigan and he decided not to go there because when Harbaugh came for the visit harbor didn't take his cleats off inside. It actors with the boys that was a callback jokes at the time. We didn't give him a shout-out and they got really mad saw good friends. We'll compton and Taylor Lewan. They had Isaiah Wilson on and he said yet Sabin didn't get him so he didn't go to Alabama. And harbaugh without the a plus for me. Yeah. Cars Click clack around the hardwood floors with his cleats on. So buried in that story is the fact that Har travels with Cleo used to like he's riding in a car with cleats. He's probably hitting the gas pedal with clear he's getting on an airplane. They tell him to take his shoes off TSA's fuck you I'm not wearing shoes or cleats cleats so I this is Harbaugh harbaugh. My cool thrown say bill scrimmaging Wilson One's really four. No they weren't allowed touch meals quarterback yet. Michael Thrown is I've too big. Ben is on my cool thrown because Big Ben. No one likes to tell you how injured they are as much as Big Ben. So he did an interview on ESPN and talked about all the elbow injuries that he had last year. So he said as far as I'm aware it's happened to see It's just sorry it's happened to just kind of everyday people on the street if you will. So you're like, Big Ben's being relatable, and then the next sentence was from what I've been told it's never happened to quarterback of this magnitude I believe there was at least one other another quarterback that had one maybe two torn off but from what I understand not three. So he's flexing about three torn ligaments in his elbow. Do you have three ligaments in your elbow? Pig Band. Dig Us Big Ben does but just such a funny like Big Ben. Hey one asked me how injured I was. Oh, you ask oh well now you're asking I was very it's never been seen before they should rename that like you have your Achilles Heel you've got rothlisburger oboe you can't Jack off anymore incredible I can't believe he's still alive my other. Cool. Lakers fans because after they clinched number one seed Kacoos tweeted real laker fans remember the losing seasons here you go number one they haven't in place for five years but I would agree real laker fans they remember you know it was tough to go from Kobe and Shaq to just Kobe to just. To Lebron, AD win a lot of lean years in there. You're forgetting when they went from Magic Johnson. Yes. To Kobe and Shaq. To Magic Oh. Yeah and then you're forgetting before that. So we'll take that much. But yeah, it's been real ones. No, it's been. Yes. In liters for sure out. What's been like as a Laker Dan Fan. No no you and. I'm a Laker Dan Fan. Yes. Yes. There's a lot of liquor infants who are not fans the Lakers but fence leaker Dan and the implications you should absolutely get on TV. As going to try to number one Laker Fan Laker Dan. But yeah, the so funny whenever so people were like whole folk you will leak or. I'm just I'm just an Alex Caruso Fan I root for one guy in that Senate, the blackhawks loss at one of the morning I just tweeted welp still have my lakers everyone's like what the fuck? All right bill, your hotseat coulter on. Okay. Well, we gotta remember nonetheless. HOC-. Cool. So all the ones that had lined up sometimes get taken pretend that we didn't do it yet. In rattled off off, your was in go cool thrown xfl in my hot seat was going to be milk. Getting milk but my new one, my hot CDs trees. Trees on the hot seat yeah. Because it's hurricane season and a Lotta trees go down wait. So billy did his little you looking outside the window? No, th L. is it goes. This hot seat was billy trying to reinforce to us why he was late today because there was a tree that was blown down across one st allegedly saw. 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Okay we now welcome on recurring guest friend of the program and Apparently he's coming for our job because he's got a new podcast company, it's JJ radic. Three four two productions was announced this week the old men in the threes, his new podcast with our friend Tommy Alter congratulations on that. Jj We're GonNa Talk Basketball let's talk podcasting. I what gives man well, my contract with the ringer was up I've been there for three years and. For for Tommy and we just wanted to own the podcast I figured like I'd I had been doing podcasts for four years and I felt like it was time for me to actually own the podcast and look we're gonNA, take our time with the company. But you know the the goal is just to develop and build out a little podcast network and see where it goes. So you have I'm sure been talking to a lot of people about podcasting lawyers. You know producers all that stuff. You have to experts here. You got any questions. I was actually wanted to ask you guys what you thought of the name. Well the old man in the three right off the bat you're limiting a big portion of the sports podcast audience because you're using a book Pun, you're on your than everyone having way. So we are actively trying to get as far away from books as possible. You're I. Guess you're a thinking man's NBA podcast. So Ernest Hemingway, you couldn't gone with like for whom the ball tolls. Can. Be Good. A farewell to arms because you're getting skinny these days you're not swollen used to be. Yup. You could have gone with a couple of other directions if you're going hemingway but all in all I mean it's good. It's not part of my take which is right lately original right? You had your bases off something else and you also I noticed you did the three four two productions I was like Oh. That's funny what Is that and then I read up about it and you at the end of your workouts, you have to make three, hundred, forty, two shots or no on Sundays is that right? Yeah. Every Sunday during the off season not shit. That's bullshit that you made the production company. So that everyone has to ask you like Oj you make three hundred and forty two shots on Sundays. Tell us what that's about I it self-serving. For sure self-serving to the. I did have a question as you know Tommy is a good friend of ours if you guys don't know Tommy Altar. Anytime. You see me and big cat in a picture with random celebrities that we probably shouldn't be hanging out with its because Tommy arranged a dinner. That we tagged along for my question for you is, what is Tommy's job? I've known Tommy for four years. I. Still Don't know what his job is. He has he has titles. I know he works at Davidson Mero I know he works on the shop he works on my podcast, our podcast but. I'm not sure I'm not sure I. Think he needs to. Honestly, he needs to come out with a little bit of like some clarity. On, what exactly his role is in this whole thing is that are I mean there's the whole mystery aspect of it which kind of makes it more intriguing. It's like who is this guy? Is. Is it remarkable? How many people he knows? He knows everybody. Yeah. Literally everybody lives. Last year took a vacation with them and I left I flew home right after the fourth of July from Amsterdam and then Tom he was like, Oh, you should have stuck around. We hung out with Lizzo the next day and I guess Lizzo. Lizzo took my spot on the vacation and immediately increase the clout that crowd. You've got a PODCAST, right? I was he with you in the bubble I tried to sneak him in. He did not. He did not fit into the NBA's protocol. He is he's just in La man we're just like you guys we're recording over zoom. We're not six feet apart. So. It's you know the zoom thing for us and I'm sure for you guys to has just been a game changer. Yeah. Last the last five months and apparently zoom existed before the pandemic. NOPE that's false. No chances we all just found out about it. So who's the better podcasters in the NBA CJ mccollum who cj has a good podcast I I think I have a great podcast Oh lease league big time. I, we had CJ on Monday show I. noticed that his room is a little bit bigger than yours. What's up? Do you like fourteen years in the League you didn't get a bigger room than that no I. I actually got the smallest room of anyone on my team and most of the guys are on the other side of the hallway and their patio looks at the pool drew holiday sent me a picture. His Patio actually looks at this big open field. Brandon Ingram is two doors down from he has fucking apartment with a kitchen and three bedrooms. Patio, looks at a Bush I look I literally look at Greenbush. That's it. I don't know how they respect. Yeah. What the Hell you've been in a league for very long time. Apparently, there were four rooms for every team that were considered the upgraded rooms and I see where I fall in the hierarchy with the PELICANS. It's blatantly obvious. It's blatantly we're about Zion where they put him up. He's he's he's I'm sure he's got one of the four rooms. I think it's I think it's by Bi for Sure Zion. I would guess drew has some sort of upgrade I? Think. He has like you guys see that door behind me the door behind me. A connecting room. DREW has access to his connecting room I do not audit gotta so. The the MBA restart it's been fantastic. It really has felt at least from the viewer's perspective like you know the energies there they've done the best they can without fans has it felt weird playing the Games as it felt a little like different and and how. So like game to game with no one in the stands. Yeah. The scrimmages were super weird. They hadn't started pumping in crowd noise, which is a topic that I wanNA talk about because it's that in itself is bizarre but the scrimmages. Diet. Sullen. Jim. And when you shoot free throws, you could hear a pin drop and so I'm just worried the whole time that somebody on the other team is GonNa screen scream something outright as I get ready to shoot It also feels like you're Broadway stage. Because there's like makeshift locker rooms and walk down a corridor and there's these giant curtains and you walk through the curtains and boom you're sort of on stage. There's these bright lights that are on scaffolds I've watched games on television it looks normal. It looks like you're watching Summer League game while you're playing, it does not feel normal at all So with the pump in crowd noise, is it to the point where it's about the same volume as a normal basketball game or can you still hear everybody else as their Chirpin, you on the court? Well, it's because. It's coming in from like an audio system and I don't know I don't feel like Disney has necessarily upgraded their audio system in the last ten or fifteen years. So it's it's very muffled it just like muffled noise in the background and we're playing last night against Memphis and we get towards the end of the game and Alvin Gentry who who's obviously an awful man. He's he's wearing a mask and he's screaming instruction at US while Memphis shooting free throws. This is down the stretch of the game and no one can understand what he's saying you can't read his lips. He's got a fucking mask on. So I feel like a normal game right on free throws. What do you hear you hear murmurs everybody's sort of murmuring right there's not like real noise and and for us, it's like constant audio input while we're playing. What about the fake fans that are in the audience the screens? Can you see all those people at home are we can see at home? Can you see them while you're playing? Yes and I do what do you think the fake fans I don't mind him. The real fans I guess they're real people they're reupped. I applied today to be virtual fan for. LAKER Games. Really I thought you'd be a fan for the bulls well, never mind never mind. Sorry never mind. Okay. I listen I. Listen the Wizards got the wizards got invited. The. Good thing jj you one last night because this podcast was going to be a full row, show about how your playoff streak is coming to an end. But I, guess, technically, you guys are still alive right now have you thought about that because everyone's talking about Jj radical always made the playoffs which you must have won a couple of titles. A. No and thank you for that. Thank you. That's that's that's not a sore subject at all for me believe. You are you though like conscious of it because it is very impressive to be in the league fourteen years always make be on a team that makes the playoffs. That's an impressive feat when it got to like year ten or eleven I was like Oh. Wait a minute I. I've never missed the playoffs the first like six or seven years you just it just normal and then You get later on in your career and. You, know like, I I kinda want this streak to stay alive for my whole career. But the funny thing is when I went to Philly obviously I went to Philly to take the one your bag, we all know that but when I went to Philly. I. I didn't expect it to make the playoffs because I actually thought that team was was built really well with Joel and Ben but there was really no guarantee that that would happen and the same thing happened coming to. New. Orleans and the Western Conference obviously top to bottom is probably a little bit stronger. So I'm just I'm honestly just happy to be in a position where if we went out like we're going to be in the playoff game playing game. If we went out, we're going to be in the game in that is credits Zion because did did the NBA give you guys a memo or did they just give you a wink like, Hey, we're building all these rules just to have Zion in the plan which we said we'd been longstanding. We're totally cool with because we want Zion in the playoffs. So we're cool with everything they've done but it felt like it was all built for the Pelicans in Zion to get to the playoffs I would agree with that. Not, all of it, but certainly a large portion of having these these playing games in these seating games was. For Zion. Yeah that's true I. Mean it's a superstar league. This is why we watch basketball. We Watch basketball for obviously for team greatness but mostly for individual greatness, we watched basketball so we can talk about James Harden. Jaanus talk about Lebron or you know Zion, in this case like that's why people love the NBA and yeah. In some ways, we've commodified this into an individual sport, which is sometimes frustrating. I think not necessarily like I'm frustrated with Zion I I. IT becomes frustrating for the average for for me to think about the average fan and how they view the NBA. To me, basketball is sort of the ultimate team sport. Maybe soccer's the other one but those were the two well well, the frustrating part from a fan perspective is if you don't have one of the top ten guys, it feels like your team's going absolutely nowhere and to get one of those, you know it's kind of you mentioned Jaanus. I don't like the box I hate bucks fans, but I feel them sometimes because we're two years away from you honest being a free agent and we're already talking about him being a free agent and sometimes it feels like the NBA. That than it is about the actual game being played that's a very valid point. It's a complaint of mine. I don't know if I've ever really talked about it publicly, but certainly complain a mind that so much attention paid to the trade deadline and the draft and free agency and two years away from ex players free agency. We we don't focus enough on the actual game at times and I just want to point something out about the basketball, the basketball itself so far in the bubble like we're seeing high level games, I s I'm. I'm actually pleasantly surprised. Maybe even a little bit shocked at how in shape everybody has been the shot making has been unbelievable that Boston Portland game down the stretch like big shot after big shot. Right after that Jaren Jackson hits that unbelievable shot to tie the game against San Antonio our first game. Against Utah that was a great game Lakers clippers right after that great game it's just been high level basketball. It's been amazing. It's it's been incredible and I was cautiously optimistic going in but it has reached all those like marks from. The Bucks rockets game I watched that entire game I think it was Sunday night and I was just thinking the whole time like I can't wait for the playoffs because this is GonNa be phenomenal. These teams are locked in and you're right like I don't know if it's better shooting background or maybe the defense hasn't been all the way there because. It's hard to you know talk on defense we haven't senior guys in five months, but it's been you know high paced and high scoring which I think most people want to see except the old nineteen ninety s NBA fans who WanNa Watch eighty one to seventy nine basketball by the way. Did you have you guys ever like Rewatch the two thousand five? Spurs. Detroit. Pistons. Finals yeah race. So every time I great series. Highly competitive but it's like seventy one to sixty nine and I'm always shocked just watching games from you know just fifteen years ago when they come up on my TV, and you see the resolution, it's not high definition. It looks like it was nineteen eighty-seven as a show. I can't believe I actually sat down and was looking forward to watching these games in two thousand and five that that's series was very, very funny because it was I don't think anyone. I'm looking right now the Pistons went to score over a hundred in game four, but there was an overtime game that was ninety, six, ninety, five in overtime game, and then game seven was eighty one, seventy four was a final, which is like eighty one seventy four is a low scoring game win the third quarter and right right now that mavs, the was it the mavs Houston game? Yes, it was like eighty five. It was an all star game. It was all star game. Yes. Yes I'm I'm looking at your contracts right now actually. So let's talk about you because the JJ rettig impending a unrestricted free agency begins the exact same year as John. So everyone's talking about like what's Jj going to do in two years? You're gonNA retire and become full-time podcast or waiting to see where Janis goes. Then he's going to ride the coattails they're trying to win that first boat from my understanding after Jaanus I think I am the number two free agent that summer. Yeah. That's what I'm looking at right now. Yeah. No for sure You know what? I? Did, and I've actually talked about this a bunch. But when you have kids your perspective changes on things and my boys are getting ready to be six and four next month actually this month in about three weeks they'll be six and four at the end of August and being away from them for the last six weeks while we've we've been in New Orleans and Ben here. you really feel like you're missing out on a lot and. When this contract is up, I think I will have to sort of go year by year obviously, you want to be offered a job in my body has to be able to function and and and I have to be able to play. But at some point, the family stuff will outweigh my love for the game. It's inevitable I I know it's coming. So Netzer Knicks that makes sense and you were you actually finally break it on pardon my tape is when you sign with the Pelicans I don't know if I said this out loud it was very frustrating but I saw you like three hours before on the street and you almost told me. Tell you so bad I. Want I saw your face like, where are you going and you're like? I can't say, and then it was like, no joke like maybe an hour and a half later Jj puck come on dude give us one more spot to be fair. He gives it towards because gave him his start writing about the NBA. Scratches. True. What's crazy is I don't give anything I mean we. We talk about this as players all the time like if you don't want to know something, don't tell your agent. Do not. The agents of the ones that are. Leaking it's just like, Hey, guys GonNa go here whatever but I mean we can all agree like he tweeted this out at the deadline started at and start at six. PM that Sunday he tweets out at six O One p jd is going to the PELICANS. It's pretty obvious. I had made my decision prior to the start of free agency. So I I had known for basically like a week that I was going to New Orleans and so when you ask me that because I had already told. My family members I'd already told people it just it was almost like second nature where I was like, no, I'm GONNA I'm GonNa go play for the Pelicans and then I was like probably not a good idea because you you're right away. So you would have definitely tweeted it would've been like hold on state again for the camera and like you on on camera saying. They've been like tampering was wear a wire right? We're going to get back to jj in just a second. But before we do WanNa talk to you about Ziprecruiter if you're a business owner, you've got a lot on your plate. That's why you should let ziprecruiter handle your recruiting. They're going to do all the work for you. 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I'm not touching any of that. Okay. I'm not touching. Just I understand it makes sense like don't ask don't tell kind of thing with coach k. you know he he takes care of his Guy Listen Coach K.. Has Never never done that to my knowledge. He definitely didn't pay me personally Jeff Capel gossip. Capable pays him. That's right God. Your cash is not even there anymore he's not. GonNa probably hurt Duke isn't that convenient? Now there's no fingerprints whatsoever on it. He's. Is Coming. Hey, have you guys talked about this on your show yet by the way what's going on with these these PAC? Twelve players yeah, you mentioned it briefly. Okay. Sunday night show. So we are. We're we're of the mindset that like, yeah, ask for whatever you want why not anchor the conversation right with all your demands, and then maybe we'll get some of them, and also if Doug Gottlieb thinks it's a bad idea that means it's probably a good idea. Yeah his takes are terrible I read his back I read his back and forth with Bomani Jones I think that was yesterday Got Awful. It's interesting. I think given. What Cova has done to some of these athletic departments. It's inevitable. Now it's inevitable that. You know power five football and basketball players are going to be compensated in some form. It's inevitable, right? It's going to happen and not not saying from like this. Obviously, you know the NC double, A. I think is going to allow players to use their likeness starting after next season but it's it's inevitable that there's GonNa be some form of compensation I i. read this great article, I, think me times. Out. About. Athletic. Department spending. How essentially, the way these departments work is the more money they intake the more money they spend. So when they say, well, we don't have any money to pay the players. It's because they've upgraded the bus or they are now flying on a nicer private plane rum or you have eighty foot scoreboard instead of a sixty foot scoreboard. So the money's being spent, it's not like they're just you know hoarding this this this revenue we're talking about hundreds, millions of dollars in revenue they're not hoarding it they're spending it. But the people who are actually earning the money I, e, the players, the product, they're not necessarily reaping the financial rewards of that yet I I I've been lucky enough to tour a few different football facilities and it's incredible because the amount of money they pour into those facilities is insane and essentially it's an arms race where the minute you break ground with the facility it's already kind of like you're already ready to do it again in ten years because that's just what they keep doing and like everyone keeps building these insane places like, Hey, we got a bowling alley. We're not GONNA pay you but you got a NAP pod, but we're not GONNA pay you. From you from your perspective in your personal perspective when you were at Duke. Did you feel like you were being taken advantage of it didn't really cross my mind at ton. And I don't want to say I was naive but I in a sense I was because I had grown up. In ACC country I had grown up two hours from tobacco road and my entire life all I wanted to do was play for Duke and so while I was there, it was like living out your your wildest dream every day and I remember my senior year. I got wind of the fact that just the bookstore on campus just that one individual location had sold something like five thousand Duke. Four Nike. Jerseys and. Those jerseys were going for like seventy five bucks hundred bucks around that at the time. And I thought to myself man like obviously the school is profiting off this with their licensing agreement Nike's profiting off of this. The I'm sure is getting cut. Like I had to take out a my parents had to take out a loan my senior year just so I could pay bills because. I didn't have cash flow. My scholarship check was not covering my basic living expenses and believe me I was not living extravagantly I just wanted to buy food. And that was that year and and obviously to I mean we're we're selling out everywhere we go were playing on ESPN every game. I'm I'm on the cover magazines that was the first time. It hit me like maybe maybe the system is set up incorrectly it is. It's it's the hard part of. The argument is it's the one percent are really getting screwed guy who are they're selling jerseys and their on covers like the J. J. Redick's whereas there's also a lot. If you're looking at a football team, there's I know eighty out of one hundred guys eighty, five out of one hundred guys who aren't going to sniff the pros who probably we're having a great experience getting a scholarship getting to be part of a team in division. One atmosphere. That's really really cool. But it is that like those big money driver guys that are getting basically. Of a few years of high earning years for them. Yeah. I don't think there's an easy answer to this to this You know debate I, it's a very complicated issue. When you add in the fact that there are non revenue producing sports and how those sports ultimately get funded anecdotally. I. Saw in in one of these articles I was reading the other day that Meena put out she was talking about how d two and d three athletic departments have numerous sports they have Lacrosse, they have tennis they're able to fund those places So it's Every time this comes up I always say like. I don't know what the answer is in terms of compensation. What that looks like do we pay the best players more? Do we pay him less? We pay them a market rate I don't know but I know the system that is in place right now is not how it should be. There needs to be some sort of change. To argue for amateurism based on a system that was set up in the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties prior to billion dollar TV contracts and ticket sales and merchandising. Is Crazy. AMATEURISM, does not exist in high level college basketball and High Level College football. Yeah. These guys were not amateurs. I honestly think that they should just. They just put all Bob Board and be like boosters pay players in 'cause because guess what everyone will everyone's counter to that will be well, you know Alabama and Clemson will win all the title will have. One and to guess what also happened if guy if boosters can pay money to players above the board. Boots I mean rich rich people don't like to just hand their money away. So when they make a mistake on paying an eighteen year old kid and the kid doesn't pan out, they're going to think twice about the next kid and it will it will correct it will be a little bit overblown at first but then it will come back down to earth and I think You'll probably end up with the same exact thing. You have right now except players getting a chance to make some money during their college actually think you might be a little more fair. Yeah. Because it's not just the traditional powerhouses that have these dedicated like rich alumni the that's spread out across. That's valid valid point and it's picking yeah. If you if you make it like if. You're donating to state institution. You give some sort of tax break or something like that. Imagine that if like billionaires millionaires could attach tax breaks for paying players to attend their school I'm sure things Kinda love out right all across right like instantly you brought up his name a couple times, which is perfect because she fired off a tweet last night during your game I want. To bring up she said every time Zion does a cool thing with jj I'm struck a new by the improbability of living in a moment where two of the NBA most likeable team mates went to Duke. Do you feel like you've sold out because you're no longer looked at as the astle and is that maybe why you're losing your love for the game as you said earlier? So the only reason, I played the game in the first place was to be an Aso you. Know. But every player that goes to to a certain extent they enjoy being hated that's why you guys get together in those little huddles every time the REF blows her whistle every like every five seconds at Duke game guys get together you like the former guys everyone hates us give you could take if you take a time machine, we go back to two thousand and six or five and be like, Hey, in twenty twenty people are actually GonNa want to hear what Jj Redick says. That's crazy. That's actually a wild thought. Yeah. That's thanks dude. You'RE GONNA. You'RE GONNA play a podcast, but you don't even know exist yet of Jj redick talking and being like, Oh, he's actually an interesting likable guy thank. You do feel bad. I still feel like I'm hated no, not you're not no no nothing like nothing like I was not nothing like it do. We. Talked about this the last time I was on the show like, yeah required therapy man I was fucking nineteen years old and I had to deal with this and you know you're already at that age you're unsure of yourself. You have all these insecurities, well, event securities. But especially at that age you're you're sort of becoming an adult and I didn't know how to deal with that and and so it became this this cycle where. I would I would see the hate I would feel the hate I would hear the hate and then I would react to that and then my reaction would garner more hate and more disdain and that cycle just kept repeating itself. Yeah. I feel like by my senior year I had sort of got the the on the court antics under control but people still loathe me and then even when I got in the NBA like. I was having this talk the other day with one of my With, one of my teammates. When I was first in the NBA when I got in the NBA and I and I wasn't playing. I could I could sense that people love that they love that I was stuck to the bench and Orlando. They enjoyed that there was this sense of like Oh. People are really enjoying seeing me fail count me as wo say something Hey, I have. No, I have no doubt that one of those Oh. Yeah. It's like this guy's a boss. Let's make you hateful. Say something controversial on our show to tell everybody that you have a nickelback tattoo that we can all make fun of am fat. Yeah. I do have I do have a kings of Leon Tattoo I've I've. I. Still. Pretty bad. Thousand Sixteen endorsed Bills Barry Board. No. I got very bored during the lockout. I got very bored during the NBA Lockout Two, thousand eleven, and there was this I don't even know how to describe it. It was a bar slash tattoo parlor slash. TEACHING STUDIO FOR POLE DANCING And yes, it was very odd and Chelsea and I and our friends we would go there on the weekends and the Guy We got to know the owners and. I think at some point, maybe Chelsea and our our friends took one of those dancing lessons. And then I decided I was just GonNa like I'm GonNa, get my my forearm touted and I ended up with. Kings of Leon Lyric. I'm very embarrassed hateful. That's that's good. We're making progress wh what's that? You got your sex is on fire. Yeah. S-. PYRO. Song Pyro, Single Book of matches going to burn what standing in the way. Oh. Okay Yeah. Combined that and then maybe also bring back the quarter sleeve cutoff that used. We're back in business. Shit I. Actually I've been meaning the last few years because I got the I obviously got my sleeve I. got my sleeve put over sort of the kings of Leon Lyric. It's also I should also point out there's A. There's a batch. Some smoke coming on Oh like you just out of match a terrible here. Yeah Yeah. I WanNa get that portion a laser to off, laser it off. Okay. You're going to be gone at some point. So he's awesome. Less edible. Yeah. No, you gotTA keep it. So speaking of hateful you play against the Grizzlies on Monday night would is there a moment a game where you lock eyes with Grayson Allen and you're like you'd like I know. We know you're me like you. Yeah you got you got it spiderman mean like we're the same guy I don't think we're the same guy but we've we've had a somewhat similar experience. So yes, I we Grayson I talked about it before and there was definitely acknowledgement last night I liked that I liked to eat just like catch you can catch your. Across, the court like there is. Okay. Y-. Won't trip you? That's Nice I. Actually thought there was a moment last night where he was gonna do something like that. He refrained. You can see it as. Just something didn't look about his face and I was like is coming. Coming he goes berserk mode and just sticks his leg out and then just kind of black I. Yes. So I I had two last questions actually speaking of preserve commode. You have a podcast company I'm a shout out again, three, four, two productions which launched this week the old man in the three we have a podcast that were ready to pitch right now I assume you're building ship. Let's do it. Okay. So it's actually not. It's our intern billy billy football. He's twenty one and the podcast is just going to be called WHO's doing steroids and bill is just going to talk about who he thinks doing steroids at any given time. Are you in for it? I Don that's more on brand with with you guys. Should take your shit. I'm not saying I'm not saying it's a bad. Taste. pitchers pitch. Pitch okay. So it's going to be. Done seven days a week every morning it's going to be snippets. It's GonNa be twenty minutes and we're gonNA, talk about a random dude and we're going to say is he's on steroids or not. So we're going to take a random guy. Okay. MIC The situation steroid. Explain. Why he's on steroids. We're GONNA explain quotes that shows steroid rage. We're GONNA talk about his physique what what symbolizes show like low body fat high vascular. And of our, that's a steroid. We're intake like you know guys who admitted to being on steroids and we're talk about their steroids cycles and then. And then we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have a certain segments like one segment is. Athletes we definitely think are on steroids. Your eyes. On steroids. Segment good. Athletes. We're GONNA. Do like like hot like Hollywood usually definitely on steroids and also there's another segment here. Listen this segment people who should do. that. That's my podcast. I. Hope you sign your kids you after this JJ started production couple. You're GONNA get ashes. Actually I don't hate the idea I don't know why it has to be a daily show I think you may not may run out of people to cues of doing steroids. That's. Got Who. Got The segment Very, podcast who's doing steroids question mark that's not we're not accusing or asking questions cover your ass, your businessman maybe the podcast is like p here are people who would sue us if we accuse them of doing steroids and here's why I would say that they were doing serious they would sue yeah come on. I have a couple of other podcasts ideas to one more. Okay. Okay. All right one more billy go ahead. Okay. Okay. This podcast is called super cool animal stories, and every week we're going to go find the coolest animal stories we can on the Internet like read it. They don't even like we'll find some good sources and then he's talked about like you know cute animals, stories, violent animal stories, shark attacks, bear attacks, you know crypto zoology attacks. We're going to have people got abducted by aliens on the show and tell their stories again. Don't. PODCAST. But I've so many podcasts ideas I. think could really be an asset. He's up for you want I'm bill. Cash. Billy. Just accuracy you're just an intern right now you're just. Kind of kind of more than. Two hundred, thousand dollars buyout. If you WANNA get him pay no. No it's a two hundred thousand dollar fee to negotiate with him. Mostly Sunny Baseball. Yeah doors. When you pay us, two, hundred, thousand dollars depending negotiation window opens, and then you have to sign him. I also have a podcast on biohacking where we talk about. High. Billy. Billy. I've actually got to I've actually gotta go billy. You're really missing out here question. Jj, you became a meam obviously quickly on Saturday. I think it was how quickly it was. It was the TV truck. Did you guys dirty? It was like a just a perfect montage of bad body language on the Pelicans and you were featured how quickly after the game do you know like? Oh Like. They got me as soon as I. Turn my phone on. I had probably fifteen text messages from people like you from friends. That would send me sort of that sort of thing and be like Oh shit. Me I wanted on the record that. You have kind of bought your way of me not bashing because I I. Think I tweeted the clip and said the the guys in the truck really did them dirty? I saw that yeah no I I give you credit. You have back on that because. It was more like, Hey, here's what's happening I'm not GonNa say what everyone's thinking everyone else make the G. reading jokes I didn't do it. I made a joke. I couldn't resist. It was a layup. Your legs were up. You looked like you were get a pap. Smear. About Zion Williamson's bursts restriction and like all the stars were alive like I gotTa make a joke that Zion just busted inside Jj. I'm sorry I'm sorry they haven't bought PFC's French forced my head. Police subscribe and go into the old man in the three podcast. First episodes are dropping Wednesday August fifth and Thursday August six. We got Damian Lillard Stacey Abrams. 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Yeah. have to read them during fight on twitter. No matter who wins we all lose confrontation. Yeah. Like if you're like Hey You have to go to prison for the next twenty years or you have to spend the next two days reading their back and forth I choose prison. Yeah. It's like the most popular nerd versus the least popular not nerdy. Yes. Yes. We which one's which they're both. They're they're go back and forth just slide back and forth holy shit today Suck they are at the center of the Vin. Diagram of the most annoying type of people. Show right it's just they've commandeered. They've took a singular VIN diagram of Shit and they've just turned it into something that whenever they fight they always get trending and they always just screw up my time link. That's. Those, are the last people I wanNA see talking the last faces I want to see in my life. There are also to people who have somehow found made their work in sports media without ever talking about sports literally never talked about sports anymore. Well, either of clay talks about not talking about right and Darren talks about the businesses sports which no one wants to talk about. God they suck. Actually does this guy this is all going to end with clay making dern offer. Yeah, and and Darren probably extending it if it's not money and then and then Jason Whitlock writing some stupid weird fan fiqh about how they're now like godfather to yeah, Yeah Darren his frito. Going to be a worse situation. the only other one I saw was this Guy Karen cut who got the weird the weird seeds sets notice stop talking about the podcast chart since there that's. I'm looking like we've been doing. Five years now and it's weird how? Everyone always talks about the podcast charts for a while and then just suddenly and we don't really talk about it. Weird. What we did when we first started. Yeah. But then we realized. And and we're doing just fine. Remember when we were beating cereal and we're like, we're the number one target. Yes. That's right. That is true. I I give everyone gets a grace period of the first two months of their podcasts. You talk about how high it is I will actually totally copped to that but after that, it's like. You are in the mystery. That this is quite a sport because I saw this over the weekend. Man Plants mystery seeds from China. Here's what happened now. Did Not include what happened after the fact. So that's that's our cereal. Heck we do the museum we find out today show. Can you save that? Do, it says, no, no, no, no, no. No literally. Doesn't say Yeah Okay NO BILLY EXTRA CO we're we're GONNA know it doesn't say so they're sending squash for some we're GONNA save this. That's all we're going to save this for Friday Billie Billie. Keep your mouth shut because this is a cliffhanger billy I won't actually an extra cliff-hanger. So I want you to come on Friday I want three things. Two of them can be lies in one of them has to be the truth always going to be here Friday. I feel you're fired. We're GONNA get to the bottom of. What I saw the story over the weekend and The US government was saying do not plant seeds that come to you from China fuck that if I mystery scenes, the first thing I'm GonNa do is plant those. What if it was one of those stubhub tickets reese yeah. There you go. What if it was a giant beanstalk alleged to a golden goose? Yeah. Forgot to stick a tree in the backyard. Serious? Dude. Go to any game I'm planning every. Ticket tree money trees? Come thrown fuck the money tree ticket tree. All right. So on Fridays pardon my take we will uncover the mystery of what happens when you plant the mystery seats. Will you have to write us? You have to write us I was going to prepare okay. Still prepare it, and then we'll read it. All right. All right. Let's do checks and let's get out of here. Is it? We're talking about past relationship with your boyfriend sex partners dislikes likes etc.. No because at some point, that's all you have to talk about people if you don't bring it up. Then, it becomes an issue. I think after like a couple of years. Okay. It's weird that you never talk about anybody you should bring it up. Yeah I don't think you should bring it up I. Think it's a bad idea and what were you saying like? Are you saying like sex life? I think everything I don't think it's ever like, Hey, so sick my. Ex girlfriend I think it's one of those situations. You just let the past be the past don't need to talk about it. That's. That's it will always end up in something bad. Hello on the past. Hello, sir. Hello Sir Commentator Cer- cat, and the other guys. Recently, my twitter crush slid into my dams and we were having the best conversations about sport and life and whatnot recently asked a nude photo of my very nice breasts in he in turn send photos as well. This is as you can all imagine but my question is, what is the next step to we travel across the country to have rain quality Internet strangers sex during pandemic or do we keep adding to each other spank please help This is a perfect time to just like fire off all the news that you've thought like maybe this one didn't make the cut. Like empty the chambers what I say. You really want to get to know somebody before you buy plane ticket Yeah, we cross country. Yes. You know there's penises in your neighborhood I've been on you porn enough to see that there are horny singles all over my street cyber, all the way cyber to the full cyber, and then decide my husband of two days only wants to play golf on our honeymoon. What can I get him? What can I do to get him to put out? Divorce him threatened divorce him. So he's. He's treating the honeymoon like his bachelor party invite his with him. I. Think I. Think this is actually a good thing. You should be like, go ahead and play golf just make the rule. He's got to be done by noon and then just get yourself fucking massage every single day. Like that's what you do because guess what he's going to go play golf by himself he's NERD. Let them do that just like you gotta be back by noon. And then it's like, Hey, this is great. Our relationship is off to a great start in your wait to go home to divorce the DACA stop playing golf. The trick to a good relationship is to just spend as little time together as possible. So when you see each other, you have all sorts of stories that you can tell about how your day will how also did you marry a Gulf Guy not realize it like Gulf guys exists in the all they do is off I. Hope you're prepared that every vacation you go on is going to be loosely tied around what golf courses are nearby. Hey, honey can I bring my clubs? Yeah. He's he's GonNa suggest. Hey. Why don't we go out to Let's go to Scottsdale for a week Yeah Oh. Yes. That sounds Nice. Good Weather Dry Nice restaurants and club. No, he's just going to be out at the waste management. There is no something to be said. I. Feel Like Golf guys that travel for specifically for golf won't cheat on you. The the business golf guys will though like I'm just going to play a few rounds like I. Play few rounds here and there Acai, cheat on you the I want to go to Scotland and all I wanna do is play golf at one golf his form of cheating on me. I'm going. This is my way to escape or worse he's GonNa do is he's going to get a little frisky with the old guy behind the counter when he's buying balls or the girl. He. Even because he if he's obsessed with, he's not going to drink while he golfs just keep your eye on the fact that a heavy golf guy in his early to mid twenty s is on a direct path to become an exotic trophy hunter. By the time he's mid forty. What you have to find out is how many Gulf books does he own if you have at least three golf books that just pictures of golf on your coffee table back I won't cheat. Sub guys are boys really worried about the size of their Dick. Why? Not. Worried. Just I've accepted of come to terms with my penis at this point. I'M NOT GONNA do anything to impress it. It's not going to do anything. Impress me. There was a time when I was worried because I was like, that's it. Redone. We're done growing that sucked. But after that, you just Kinda move on. Hi Guys I love the show and a need some help I've been dating this guy for over a year and I can't help. But feel like I am too young to be in a serious relationship. I'm twenty four but I literally can't get myself to break up with them. I could see me and him being together down the road but right now I want to be single and be a Ho I'm still young and hot. Is it worth possibly losing him to break up or shy live my life? Or should I live my life a hope he's still around in a few years and if so what's the best way to break up I would actually propose to him and then get him to be the one to say, no thanks, and then you can always go back to that. Well then at that point, you actually have a built in excuse to go have. Some wild years you're like, Oh, I just got my heartbroken by this guy I need some time to figure out. He's going to think that you're doing a Julia Roberts going over to Indian riding elephants for six weeks when reality you're just going down to the tenderloin getting Dick down nobody's pissed. Yes. By way you answered your own question, you want to be home. You said that be Ho- do you think do you think girl? Hey big cat NFL kicker PF. NOPE XFL. Ex. Record. I'm GONNA claim that because I was offered a tryout I, I'm now an ex NFL kicker. Got It. grumpy Hank in Berkshire Billy. So my boyfriend loves free balling I get it that he wants airflow especially since it's summer but he free balls all time at home in public at work it became too much for me when we were at a friend's barbecue and US sitting Criss Cross applesauce and one of my friends saw nuts. Start wearing briefs Yeah. That's a tough look. Don't. Don't make the jump from nothing to briefs. That's that's number one, and if you I've been at a family reunion before where the weird uncle is wearing super short khakis and his balls are just hanging out that on one hand goals on the other hand you can't. You can't get to that point still in your twenties or thirties stewed I. I'll kind of down with this guy, he's free bowling and sitting Indian style. What. You could do one or the other you can't do both. All right last one, SUP EMT guys my boyfriend calls me brother what do y'all Got To be asking the question instead of him saying straight up no, he will say, no brother he's just a whole Logan Fan. So it's good to know the blackjacks get laid. I mean Hogan made it popular so and he's iconic. That's actually the highest I wanNA. She says also. A game of thrones fan incentives back. Yeah. That's true. We're going to say, Hey, I was gonNA say what if? You're rushing he said no. then. Well, you can be not a wrestling fan but still a Hulkah- maniac he had a reality show true. Yeah. Yeah. Big Fan of Bubba the love sponge. Yep All right. That's our show bill you got planned. A little bit wait. Love you guys. Have you to down the slot was telling them not you download play Barshop, download the play bar. So APP download the play, Barshop. Get A cat. Love you guys billy witter your closing thoughts for the day Well. Slow things on my mind today as I was driving to work really prepared anything. There was a tree that fell on the road. You know right when he hasn't prepared. Well, he also that's the Horn to hotseat crimes that he didn't have well. This is billy's. About. 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Jamie-Lynn Sigler Returns

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:22:54 hr | 1 year ago

Jamie-Lynn Sigler Returns

"You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Ryan's right behind era in front of me behind. The HEINO has a ticket. Exhale spirit buying you your spirit gently massaging your neck. Did another -nother good episode man. Another episode. Last week was Martin Star Week before Brandon. Routh putting good contin out You know we're getting people You know I'm doing my best to guess that people care about and more importantly I think that if you listen like let's say you're listening today. 'cause you love discuss. Maybe you might go back if you like this and go. Hey you know 'cause I learned about each guest and I think that each GA- each The audience they agree listeners. Go you know. I'm listening now? Even if I don't know anybody because you find some people just you find something in each one that you're like you might be able to relate to say each time but I really believe it. Did you do anything from this week? And your dumb jury duty. Thank God thank God. I'll tell you all about it. Almost jumped off my roof. It wouldn't kill you. What's the thought that high now is worth the experience honestly like it? Put it off for so long. It's easy to sort of you know. Put it aside and just keep pushing it and pushing to have finally done it. It's kind of a relief. Yeah I use my I've had so many back surgeries and stuff so my doctor says now. He's not sitting down for any time any like the time. Well I mean I'll give you the back problems and neck problems and then I'll switch rather be healthy and be able to sit in a frigging chair for hours although I'm doing it now Big shutout the patrons patrons on Patriot. it's just another way to Help the podcast out and we appreciate it. You have no idea. It's so nice to see people just like you know and you get a lot of cool stop. There's extra footage inside of me video that you get every month Some tears yet to see the guests upcoming guests and ask questions and merge packages and I just love it. I talked about its community. So that's cool wizard world June fifth coming up Before that may ninth. We have Miami. We're doing a con. Tommy smallville night so just look at my twitter and twitter and all that stuff So there you have that This guest is She's been on before but she wasn't filmed and She made she. Do you remember that. I mean a tear came down and I didn't. I didn't address it. She just tells the story and she's are you crying. I was like Fuck I. It was just such a great person. I I love listening to her. She has a great podcast. I was just on Pajama Pants. She's extrordinary woman a great mom a great wife. She talks about her shit though. Like you know she's not per. We're not perfect so she talks about you. Know raising kitschy talks about you know working with them as she talks about things that again people aren't always so open with an I. I like that that you you enjoy this one too I did. Yeah because I didn't know going into it. I never the Sopranos. But she's just Super Sweden. Just a really nice story. Yeah and she's dealing with a lot. Yeah I mean I think any time you know we. We always think our problems are so big and then you sometimes see other people's problems you know it's not that your problems are less. It's just like I look at her and I'm like did get the fuck up and do something get the fuck up. And she's got two kids she's married. She's working she has MS. She's doing a podcast. It's like what the F. Dude like get up do you have Ms Ryan. I don't okay neither do I. As far as I'm concerned so you know what for Jamie for yourself get up. Sorry I don't know why so that Jamie. I know you're listening. I love you dearly. I just WANNA say for the record folks you seen Michael. Wore that shirt last week. Well here's what having we're doing for two episodes. Yeah I don't WanNa do stairs lazy to get another shirt on probably similar to this shirt. Wear the same clothes every day. Sorry I'm just do the Farley every episode all right let's get inside Jamie Lynn Sigler. It's my own of you. You're listening to you inside of you with Michael who rose by the inside of you with Michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You Look Great. I'm not just saying that you do look great thank you. That's very nice I I I always. That's such an awkward thing this received to say don't ever say you look great again to me. What do I say back you say thank you thank you? That's okay. I'm not going to receiving compliments. That's something like I. I've talked about before but like don't you think it's it's just better if there's an understanding if I say hey I like your shirt instead of going on. It's an old sure I assured is let you either we do that. I don't because maybe we don't believe the person because we have so many compliments and I don't think they're real it's Hollywood. It's Pretty Damn Thang anything. That's all over the world. It's like people go. Oh my God you look great. And they're like no. I didn't even sleep yesterday. I was I was drunk. I Don we're afraid to share our like happiness where she were afraid to share. We're afraid to be judged by our reaction like if I would have been like. Yeah I felt good walking out the house today. You'd be like Oh she's little bit of a God that girl she had a good day. Talk she agreed. Yeah I said hey you look like you're having a good day to actually. I really had. What a cont. She had a good day. That's what I'm afraid of. You think maybe when someone says it that I don't know is it an insecurity. Is it just like you feel better if it self deprecating like? You're you're being. I feel more relatable if I'm self deprecating it's weird you find community and like common ground in like the Shitty Shit come together for the joy together for our sorrows. That's true so sort of writing the style down got. Jamie I mean. The your you know your. I don't know you you look tired. You Tired Cam just so tired. Cairo's mom you look like Shit. Yeah I feel like Shit and then we're just drowning in our own misery. Nanny loves to tell me when I looked tired. I don't like when people that's when she does because I'll be like yeah. That's why I need you. Do you know what I think looking tired. I think people make the mistake when they say you'll tired. I then immediately God man I i. I don't want to look at myself in America's Shit what you know you're really bad when somebody points it out that you're looking at it is well. I. I don't think they're saying you tired like your appearance. Like your face tired. Your is your face. Your smile is tired of cheeks or tired. Your skin is tired. I think they're looking at you. And they're going you disposition. You're catching your like this. Watch if I'M GONNA like this Jamie. I've had a great freaking week. I probably don't retired right now but if I was like. This is like yeah. So how's everything? It seemed tired when your energy so when they say you seem dire maybe they should change it up. Maybe they should say Ryan you look good but you seem tired because I don't want to hear a look tire now. We don't know if I like that either though. Look good but you seem like a piece of shit seem like a piece of Shit. You know what? Yeah I get that. It's almost like you. You look like you're on cocaine. Your body's moving around a lot. That's what this is just horrible saying look like. I'm on Meth is what it looks like. Yeah that's the fun. Part about kids is they. Just they. Just they don't care about a repercussion. They totally live in honesty and truth. That's here what's the worst thing you've ever heard from your kid. The ever say things like this someone around heath fat. You Know My. I've heard my son since he started like being an elementary school. Like dropping things like that like that person's fat or this sucks and I'm like hey don't say that dude husbands laugh about it. That's the problem is sometimes like there's laughter that follows it because they're so cute and you know they don't know what they're saying but like this is. I think that's your job as a parent is just give them a moral compass understand. How did not hurt people's feelings other than that? I really don't have much influence. He is he is do they tell you look tired. Yeah Oh my God. He'll tell me every you don't look good. I don't like your hair like that Take that makeup off. That shirtless funny. Yeah yeah totally and constructive criticism. I really accept well. I'm like oh it doesn't okay. I don't know how to respond to. I don't know people always say you'd make a great parent because I think we are but I think I would. I would fire back like most people mature adults. They'd be like that's sweater looks ugly. I'm like yeah well you can't even read. So what's the what you're gonNA throw me from me? Some Shit you just create another little Rosenbaum me. Another Rosenbaum what I would do I do with my friends is I. I'm affectionate. I think although I did that test that love language. But it's a test you take and you could find out who you are. What your love languages. So I think mine was quality. Get ready for this Affectionate right was last like like being touched. I guess you just gave such a good hug when I got here. I think I am affectionate when I feel comfortable when I feel like it's really authentic and that's when you should know about ten most of the time I'm not in a relationship or if I'm just talk seeing someone I don't WanNa give them too much to make them lead them. Unless I know him in it. I don't think that's a bad thing but I'd say it's intimacy. It's a fear of intimacy as what it is. That's not good. I'm looking on. That's okay you don't want to. You don't want to mislead anybody know. Quality Time was number. One time was number one. Not even on my radar. I know I love giving gifts but like receiving gifts I I mean I don't WanNa receive them. I WANNA GIVE THEM I. I give more than I get. I don't number two. I think was words of affirmation just like Ryan. You'll handsome today. At the other thing he said was that show tired. Yeah well you're sure. Is that blue? I'm colorblind discipline. The Blue Shirt really. It does something with your dark eyes. I don't know what it does but it You look really good. I'm re I would be the best husband if that's what women wanted. Because I'm genuinely your hair I if I don't see some for weeks ago it is something that you're like. Yeah every boyfriend husbands can be like you fuck. I just noticed those things. I don't know why. Yeah maybe Emma Hairdresser secret life. I discover this every time that we would have made a really good couple Max. That's what I like. I like receiving for me. See that would work because I like to do that. And I'm genuine about it. I always you look so when you walked in. Yeah I'm surprised you look good really why because I have two kids are everything you've been through hell you time you're married you have two kids you have Ms. Yeah I mean these things I don't have. Ms and I feel like Shit. So I can easily look like Shit and you. You're radiant. I'm sure you've fight things all the time with so much. I had a terrible morning. What would happen you morning? I just my six year. Old is just really hard wire when he's great he's fucking great but when he's not great it's just so annoying and like yesterday took him to hockey and I'm watching him at all he's doing is checking kids like he's like no checking. Yes yes that's what. I thought he needed tonight. Trucking on the Ice Jackson crosscheck which is illegal. There's a hip check. The HIP goes back check. Yep and I texted my husband. I'm like Y'all we've I think we might have the kid that like. I like people don't like like I'm worried that he's annoying and to other people and like I don't like that this is his instinct. And it's it's a real issue as a parent because obviously. I think my kids the greatest but then you're also seeing the side of it and it's nothing anyone did. It's who he is and he's figuring life out and then I feel bad like also talking shit about my kid but like and he really like. Everything's fight like breakfast a go. Brush your teeth. I literally looked at him this morning. I was like Bo. Just know this. Because then he's good by the end of the day he's like you know because he got the xbox taken away in the IPAD taken away yesterday and he's like I hear him in the shower being like I hate myself. I don't belong in this family and like part of me is like okay. That's for show but then another part of me is like Osha to end you. Pay attention to these words and make sure these aren't myself? I don't believe I mean He. He wants attention. Yes so this morning I said to him I was like look though. I'm sure you and I are going to get in a fight today. I'm sure many Yellen I'm gonNA feel bad about it. I'm sure you're GonNa do something misbehave and then you're GONNA get reprimanded. Just know this no matter what I think. You're the greatest and I love you. And so just remember that. He's like looking like everywhere but me and I'm like look in the eye dude. Tell me you heard me. He's like I did. I love you and then the rest of the morning. It's just that shit like and then he he's VIP at school this week so they get to like bring things in and so he wants to bring his hockey bag with all his goalie gear. Cheetos actually both. You can't bring like all your hockey geared school like the whole huge the he could fit in his hockey bag. It's like enormous and just the fight this morning and I started crying because I was like because I also have a two year old. Who's like demands a lot? And he's obsessed with me which I love but it demands a lot of time and attention. I also am a wife. I also have a career I also have. Ms Like you said like I've got a lot of ro does Bo do. When he sees you cry on his knees holding my face telling me he loves me so sad. That the trigger. He needs to see that. You're really hurting. He's really upset you before he could just kind of take it easy. Yeah so he's pushing every button until I I got her. So there's some psychology there. He knows that I'm GonNa go and when she starts crying then I'm maybe you don't normally I don't I I try not to but like today I lost it i. He was rattled by it. Was it a good cry? Like what can I do? He was just more like a hat. Like just my head down in my hands and like I could feel him like hovering over me like tabbies. Are you crying? And I'm like yes dude like. Have you ever too much? How hard is some crime? Because I'm talking you. I didn't say I was out though I wouldn't do it but I'm sure Sandler come. Outta me every once in a while. You know if I'd go would you just tell you that's Farley saying that we'll be like had something we could have talked about. You know I was right but you said something. I'm GonNa read one because I was trying to stay. Stay focused in which he's saying. I want to hear it but also I'm GONNA go back about three and a half minutes and you said that I do. I have the annoying kid is at the. I have been around parents. Then I'm like are you fucking blind and death that you can't see what a mark your fucking kid is looking to my house and I do. I had a kid in my house once. Yeah I mean with other families. That sounds weird. I had a kid my house once and what not like that timeframe time I remember those kit over with this bomb or something and the kid has a Let's say a a a knack for fucking shit up. Oh and he and I think he doesn't purpose And I happen to be behind this kid one time. While he was walking around my house I just happen to be walking behind him. At the time I was like I was in following the child. I had this Lord. The rings chess set. Don't ask me why but have it anti let me. Just stop for a second. When he looked over to any backhanded all the places and walked on and I go hey and he turned around and I go. What the heck was that about man? He's like dude look. You don't not people stuff over you. Don't do that stuff. Yeah all right. You don't do that in someone else's house. I'm sure you don't do it in your own house. That's not cool. Nobody likes that kid right. I like you. You're a good kid but right now that kind of crap people aren't going to like you so don't do that something like that and he just he just like this that look that you know but I wanted to make sure you to like it was they were they. Did they notice that he was doing this? She didn't say anything that's issue. I don't like when parents are so into like being around other adults like trust me. I get it when it's like a reprieve but like also be responsible for your kid like my husband and I. I'm very grateful cutter and I are like super on top of our kids. Home Every Cutter Bowed Jack. Who family. You're aware I'm very aware I say thank you when you gave out to him like. I'm I'm that MOCHA. That's good him because I know he hears it. I know it'll click one day like I know. Let me say this. Bo is his worst at home when he's with other people and other adults he's great and I think I guess I would rather it be that way than him being like you know addict other kids an other adults. No no not at all. I'm so grateful that this country really kind kids to the point where he gets upset. He won't watch the Samlot anymore or mighty ducks because he doesn't like when kids are being mean to other kids. That's a good thing because he's liking things like that and animals being killed. That's that's on your way to being a surrogate right now. He's not a serial killer. I think it's important. I mean the show the Love I love you but there's also like I think that again I'm not a father and everybody listening is probably GonNa be like. Do you know what you're talking about. But I'm just telling you what I would do theoretically theoretically if my kid. We went to another house and I saw him doing stuff. I would tell him before we got there. I want you to have a great time. No wanted enjoy or something but I'm telling you right now if you do something and I say stop and you continue on. Are you break something you knock something? We're just going. There's not GonNa be no dad please. You'RE GONNA start crying and be upset but we're going and the only you're only gonNA learn if I do that if I put my foot down and we leave the party. I'm upset because we had to leave Europe set and the next time we go to a party. Maybe your dumb ass won't do it again. And that's how I feel Barium with Love I love you. I'm proud of you. You'll never be stupid in my eyes. Just be honest. Be The best you can be you know things. I didn't hear but you know these things are important but also like in my phone. Chris was telling me once he's like man. These kids nowadays. Nobody smacks orgasmic smack in the ASS. You can't talk about that shit man. My deb busted my ass. And he's like. Oh Yeah my dad busted my ass every once in a while and you know what I didn't do shit again. I learned a smack on the ASS. People don't talk about it now. I got paddled in school. Now that's bad because that's embarrassing. I got spanked in hit for her. Yeah I think most kids are generation. Did what he thirty eight. Yeah Yeah do research me or something. I'm thirty eight but yeah no but no. You can't do that now. Get another kids kit adults. Kid I know you know saying you know. It's like you can coach Bell. I bet you'd like bow or I play hockey so I want you. Did you'd love when I got in this room. I was like he would lie. He has whenever my husband goes out of town. I go out of town like to for us to feel better about our guilt of being away gets a New Jersey. So He's has seventeen hockey jerseys right now. His little collection get them on. Oh that's good. I'll tell you what team doesn't have. I don't know I have to look causes Burns e. It's one of my good buddy sharks. I mean I'm not saying it's like sign. He has like ones that he wears jerseys and he would wear okay injuries he has. He has three Rangers. Ones all right so listen while while you've been away because it's been a while you have you been working a lot. I actually quit acting in between though I quit acting for a year. You quit acting when you're having the second child that's when you quit but you've been going on lately right. I just started back again in the summer. Now how hard is that with a family and dealing with them ass and getting cast and people knowing the situation one? Can I do this and the studios going Khun Jamie do this? Can she get through the scenes can? Are they patient people nice? How does that even work? It's hard enough to get an acting job share but when you have something that you're like well this is part of me. Yeah I'm still grappling with like walking into an audition room like owning it. Do you know what I mean. Because it's out there. People know it is what it is. Because you're so open and that's only so only the past couple of years. I mean I wasn't for a long time. Well let me take it back so I I quit acting because I kinda just needed to give myself a chance to see if I gave a fuck anymore about it. You know sometimes you can get in the grind and like the hamster wheel of it and you're like way we liked. I know I love it when I'm doing it but I don't love the getting the job part like I don't love auditioning I don't love the stress of it all and I was just like you know I got two kids. I have a lot of my plate like I need to really see if I love this. I'm going to step away from it for a little while and I thought that my wraps were going to be like so supportive because a lot of the times I think and it's my own thing I guess but I just assume that people still want to work with me because I'm nice and they but not because of any value of like my talent or anything from the same shit we all do like. We're not good enough. But they like me. Of course. You're good enough. Well when I had my manager I thought a truly thought my manager is going to be like. I support this game I love. You didn't support you. He was like fuck. No you're not quitting. I'm GONNA give you a few weeks and then you're gonNA call me now but I but it was a year and he kept calling and kept calling in. I was like not yet not yet and I had this moment. Where sitting on the floor with my kids and it was like a nice moment. Everyone was playing nicely like nothing was wrong and it was like my breath got taken away and I was like I am not cut out to be a stay at home. Mom like there is. I have to honor that. There's other shit I still WANNA do your holy fuck so I went back to acting class. 'cause I wanted to see I'm like okay. I had that moment but like I want to get back in this grind. Ceo In class. So you didn't jump back auditioning back. Wait a minute. I haven't been in an acting class of even scarier beyond everybody's Twani and amazingly gorgeous just moved to La and like you know and then options in an acting class. Because it's been awhile since I've been acting but do you like the Guinea scenes. You have to memorize them since you hadn't done it in a year. How long did it take you do it during nap? Sarah like you know when the kids went to bed and I took it super seriously and I I loved that I wasn't great at first like I was a little rusty and I. I see these kids in there. That like shut down when they start getting like Direction or or redirection like these literally these are like they're like But me I'm like. Ah Ah okay yeah other way. Oh Yeah you're right. I do do that like I love being dissect do this for. I'm still in it. How long has this been almost a year? In April I went back into acting class and then I got my first job in June and then I work straight from June all the way till now. I did this really fun and everything was offer. I don't know what happened with the universe because I told you I fucking hate auditioning and I can't remember the last time to be honest. I booked anything from an audition but everything it just kept coming in like I did a little movie and then I did this. Sitcom for adult swim with Tim and Eric. The comedians and had a great time during doing that. And then Tim and Eric I go. I don't know if you would know listening and I know you need odd now. Fuck Yeah I do know them. Yeah I do know that. A bunch of indies. I did a TV movie and then another one. In the night I finish the year in December. I literally work back to back to back to back which was kind of insane to go from like not working at all to like not stop working. But there's almost what I needed to get back in the swing of things and understand that like my kids still love me. They don't feel neglected. I hate the word balance but I can do both and then the last thing I did was the short film in December and it was the most gratifying acting experience of my entire life. It's the short film called. I'm on fire with the director Michael Spooky A- and it was like just fucking greedy. I've never done a short before where it took twelve days to shoot twelve minutes like if you think about like the the detail that shot and it was amazing. You've done that without the acting class. Sure I could have done it. Maybe not as well. You wouldn't have been as good. Learn your lines as fast because you know. I think it's just more of like feeling rooted and like I don't know I'm come from the school of like I don't. I don't feel comfortable getting something unless I worked for it so it feels like I'm doing my work so I feel like I belong there more. Not only that but I think you know. Will there an actor but like it's almost like they when when you get hired? Just let's just hire Michael Rosenbaum. Let's hire Jamie Lynn. Sigler and you get hired. I don't know exactly what they want me to do right. And so then you're hired and then all of a sudden you're doing it and if you've had auditioned and got it then they're like oh well whatever I did. That's what they want so I'm just going to do that. It's kind of weird like this. I don't exactly know what you want to do. All righty so there could be like that. Yes and then to also reference like the whole Ms Conversation of it all in order for me to feel comfortable. I have to have like the same conversation with everyone. I'm about to work with which is like. Here's my limitations. What are they can't run high heels or hard walking long distances? I'm going to start to limp So like keeping the shots shorter mornings or better. No no I have full energy like. Fortunately it doesn't affect me cognitively energy wise. Not Everything's just kind of the waist down and it's just more gets tired if I sit and rest and I'll always tell you anything I've never ever needed a break. Never told anyone I needed a break. Because I'm not trying to be a superhero. I just haven't and then directors and people are willing to work around it so I've been very fortunate you know I I still feel like a burden and I still feel bad that I have to have that conversation and I'm comforted every time and being like pleased Jamie. Everybody has something like this is no big deal. We can figure this out. That's not it sounds you really strong. Because I wish I could have these conversations about my own things beforehand so that hey listen Insecurities about myself and like I found this. Or if I'm that nice to do that. Listen Man Yeah you never get hired like what this guy's nervous gets anxiety attacks. Those good. Maybe because all of my energy is channeled and focusing on my physicality of everything ever notice. Do you ever notice when you're watching it apart all the time that walk right there because of the hate it? Which is why I don't watch myself. Time goes with close up or can you cut in now. I've never gotten the balls to do that. I assume that they're going to do. It looks best and I trust them but I catch it. And it's a bummer. It's and sometimes it's like you know I can feel like I'm doing great and like there's still something there and it's it's like. I don't know it's a reality check. It's it's it's it's not the most fun for me you know because I also you know when I'm not working in mom ing like all of my our sitting here with you. I'm you know like really heavily focused on fighting this all time and trying to get as well as I can and and you know right now what we're talking you fighting it. No I'm relaxed. You are nothing about you right now that you're feeling nothing. There's nothing abnormal now. And you take medications aside twice a year and then I have year will like an intravenous chemotherapy twice a year. And just like an immunosuppressive. It's well the only ms meds that are really out. There are ones that suppress the disease. So slow it down. I've been stable for over nine years with no changes and changes Y I feel confident working to because it's not I tell them like it's not like I'm going to wake up one day and like not be able to move or this or that like the Miami is not that sometimes I wish it was relapse remitting so I could have really great days. And then be like Oh. This is bad day but I guess if I had to choose it would much some is like this is how it is because then I guess that is more of a crap shoot bit like our friends. Selma Blair she's she's in a different level. She has a very different disease than me. And it is. I mean it's hers as remitting but hers affects her like soon. It's it's heartbreaking. So there's heartbreaking different levels of this disease it's not just everybody who has it has the same thing that everybody who has the same so people could live long the short and think you know that's just the way it is and so you. Have you ever thought of like why show I watch myself? I'm going to do the best work I can't because you kind of want to see yourself and see the work you did most of the time. Don't watch myself. Did you used to know actually. Well Yeah I mean. I get nervous to what I've never actually never. I've only seen the first season of Sopranos. And then the first episode of every season and the last very last episode. I think I get a will. That's because I got MS closely. After not that I was symptomatic at all but I think it's just it just got in my head and I just also to like I like in class. I love somebody else. Picking apart my acting that has perspective but I just feel like I don't have proper perspective on myself right. Why put my side much rather watch like Vander? Pump rules than that would you? I commend you. Have a choice. You don't feel like I have. I don't feel like I don't feel like I need like applause for the way I do. You know what I mean like I just feel like I truly feel like if anyone was in my position. They would do the same things as me I do. I'd like to believe that because I have kids be. I have dreams and like I'm thirty eight like I don't WanNa throw it all in you know I just. I don't know I try. I tried it and you told you I sat in. The thoughts can't do it. I bet it was when you first diagnosed with all this. Going through your probably. They're probably a lot of days. You're like fuck it. I don't even want to do anything I'm just I could. I have every right to. I've every excuse in the book. I think that's what I've become very conscious of lately was like I am done. Ms To be an excuse like it's it's a very easy. Have I use it like out of sex and things like that? I sure but like you know like in times when my husband's like hey and I'm like I can't be them so tired. My legs hurt like Benham. Lying weeding imitated my husband. Ms Just to ask them m s so you just keep with letters. I WanNa F. M. F. Sweetie I guess I'm SNF. I choose not to do that because it's way too easy and I don't I told you I like to work for things. So that's the easy route. I mean I think it's with with anything else. I mean if like he's probably I don't know if this analogy is GonNa Work Ryan Journey. Whenever I look at Ryan I always know something's not gonNa work. We'll cut it out if it doesn't yeah well like depression like anxiety. I don't know I think that if you let it get the best of you if you're just like I give up. I'm just GonNa let this anxiety ruined my life and I'm GonNa let this depression takeover and I'm not going to get help but I'm not gonNA exercise like Ms Obviously Ms. You can't get rid of but you could control something you can at least be the best version of yourself. You could feel the best that you can feel by doing the things that you know. We'll help or the things because rolling over and just saying fuck it. You're going to deteriorate if you just didn't exercise and you didn't do this mentally this would debilitate you more and the disease would become more so I think that's the same thing with depression. You don't go see a doctor you. Don't you know if you're drinking caffeine at eleven o'clock at night you're going to these anxiety is gonNA take over? I've seen this happen with me right so it's a matter. Let yourself feel though like I definitely let myself have days where unlike this fucking sucks. I'm sad I'm angry. Just cry sometimes yes I have to. I'd explode inside of US. Brought to you by squarespace space. That's right I you know squarespace. It's just you know I'm not. You're a little more creative than I am. We've talked about this but you know I you are come on well especially in the art world now like drawing art not. I'm talking about creating a beautiful website. You could probably do that with with the proper template and everything I could. 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Mdr Her they give this to Vets people who fought in wars have seen the worst things that none of us can even imagine and I think oh well it's it works for them because that's real trauma my traumas not real your traumas. It can't be. That's what I thought. It was a respect thing. It was like no these soldiers die. They see death all around them. And what the therapist is trying to tell me? It was like stop. We're trying to make you better and you probably had some trauma. And if he did we'll get to the bottom bottom of an so. I was in this room and I WANNA try this. Amd ARE I. Don't feel like how now just it's not right for me. It's for vets and she's like we start talking and thirty minutes. Jamie while she starts talking to me and she goes I What about the MDR? She's Oh yeah. We're not going to do that. And I go right for that so I got it and then we start talking about stuff and then next session ago the asks over not going to get into the emt our stuff. I mean why would we? I mean there's nothing here. Yeah I'm telling you she's like yeah we're not gonNA like he and the and then we start talking and then she goes. I'm just talking about a moment and I was talking to you. I suddenly went and then I was just like boom and then this happened. I don't want to say it but like and it's not as bad as you said I don't WanNa call anybody out but you know I just had this moment where I just i. It was this role it was the I mean I could see it. And if you're looking at me telling the story on like actresses little boy I was just like you know and do and then and then she goes. I think you're ready and go for. What do you want to do this and I go look at that moment? You just had right there. I'd like to explore that and I go no. I don't even know what to do to stop. You don't have to control everything you don't have to do. This is just just try this okay. And she came over to me so sweet and so calm because I want you to close your eyes and I want you to think of this moment. I just want to stay in this moment. Think of it and when you open your eyes my finger is going to go like this. Don't turn your head with it. I want you to just with your eyes back and forth and you just follow my finger and you think of that moment. Walk you through it and I said okay so I close my eyes and she goes okay. I wanted to go back there and I took as long as I needed. I was rushed like I showed my is now. She's probably ready for me to do this. You know what I mean and I opened them and she okay now just follow my finger staying at home and I'm telling you I went from. I don't know two is too hysterical. Like overwhelming emotion came over me. I couldn't almost makes me emotional thinking about because of how emotionally was like she has Are you know no this? This feels good. I feel I just I duNno. She's okay closure is only did it again and we did it again and like four or five times and I'm not telling you where you can go. I'm saying don't control your mind when you do it but I ended up at a place where that moment. It's not that that moment was just gone. It's not that moment was Wasn't real or it was as though which he says it. Sometimes it's like you knock down a tree. It's like this big tree that you're knocking down and all these other little motions that play into that emotion so prince it was some kind of abuse or for some kind of like neglect. Whatever it was deaf if you had other moments in your life even though you didn't talk about those moments it's almost like little trees start to fall down because when you get to the root of what. The problem is a lot of those things you you're able to let go and what happens is. I didn't know this she goes. I want you to think that moment closure is thinking that moment boom boom boom boom boom boom and I go I go. I'm sorry but I just I just can't really can't get there. You can get there. I go no. It's I duNNo. It's like I know that moments there but I can't get to that moment like a can't and what I found was as the days went on even now whenever I think of that moment if I tried to which I don't but if I try I know it's there but it's like it doesn't affect me like that anymore. It just doesn't it science. It fucking works. I know you've read about it and people who have had trauma I think if you're willing to talk about it and fine and by the way this was this wasn't like this is the moment. I want to work on right out of the blue that we were talking. I just go this. She goes to talk about that. I go that. Oh that could affect. Oh my God that affect me as a kid so all I say be open. It may not work right away. You may not do it right away. I feel like you're no comparison. You've been much I feel like you're going to you're going to see. I was going to say that I have like I feel like you know me. Well you'd probably one of the last things you would describe me as as an angry person right angry. He was angry at all. I have so much anger inside of me and I don't know why and that's what led me into finding. Amd are and like finding a vetted person that. I'm going to start with next week because I'm like. What the fuck is this anger? And obviously I do all this type of reading disease and like the emotional components of it in the causes the root causes. Because you know some people believe that diseases manifested from trauma and emotions that are stuck in your body and anger. Shame and guilt are associated with ms and those are three things that deal with. And I don't know why so after next week and we'll see from posted. WanNa Know Watch. I'm going to be like running marathons and I've done it. You know I remember when I was doing the. Mdr There was one of the sessions. Where only one session that? I really the other ones I forced. I tried to get nine there. Yeah what I needed to do is let that moment takeover and go and that was enough and I'd like to do it again when I'm ready I'd like to do and I think there are a lot of things that is there That need to be taken care of that. Need to be let out now. Yeah but I remember there was one thing is i. I remember going up because I'm not a fucking idiot. I was like like yelling. Not Yelling screaming. Of course. I'm fucking smart. Of course some this how could I possibly? I was almost validating myself. Of course how. Would you be successful like this? How could you do this if you weren't you think you're that stupid like I'm almost telling this little boy? You're not you're all these things that you're not. How could you have gone on and done all these things being dumb and being like all these it was crazy? I was like it was truly 'cause I know it's it's sad but it's also like these are the things you have to have to face these things because you don't face them if you don't get them out then what's the point then you live in the rest of your life and you're not being the best. You pre call with a therapist. She was telling me that pre come my clothes some serious to pre come good. She was telling me she's like you know when you see. Adults have road rage or their reactive. That's not the adult in them reacting. It's the child so healing that trauma heels behavior that you have now that you just feel like is just you know. Sorry I just have road rage or I just have this or I have that you don't have to have that. That's something that was learned or some something happened to you that I got it from my dad watching my older watching them on the road. I remember my dad driving. Oh eat me. You know screaming initiative. Quattro you're going asked all like you see this as a kid you. I got her. Has It for sure his dad it? I mean. Oh my God Lenny Dykstra FARC see in jail. No we don't have contact with Lenny right now but he I sometimes I'm like I'll catch a tweet or two and I saw something where he was like. It's been something amount of months since I've been arrested. So that guy was like everybody's hero you know he needs. Mdr maybe he's a lot of things. He's not act. When I first met Lenny. Do we talk about this before? But he did probably listening watching because you know why I met him right before he went into jail. It's when I first started dating like three weeks into dating. And His dad went unexpectedly to jail. He thought he was going for a court date and literally was coughed and sent to jail. Bet a dark moment to go through with your new Bo. You know and so then he was in jail for about a year and a half and when he came out we had a son and he was wonderful. I loved sitting and talking with him. I loved hearing him talk about baseball with cutter and just he was reserved and kind a good listener. And then you know just life happens and like certain habits. Start to come back in. I think when you know the persona of nails and what people want and he's trying to give people what they want but live this life and I think it just kind of caught up and then I saw kind of him change. And it was a bummer. But I still think of. That's who I met is who lineas. It's the other that changes him. I will never say a bad thing about him. I think it's the right choice right now for like sure us not to have contact but I do if my kids ever asked me about. Who they're by is I'll say he was great. He was great at the real side. You know in a lot of times. It is a persona and it's something that you like. This is what they WANNA see. This is what I'm so used to playing that. The vulnerable side just seems like a pussy. I can't do this. I can't talk about that I just want to be. You know top people good people bad people and I just think that's fucked up. I think everybody is light and dark. Everybody has good and bad. Everyone just has choices and everybody is weaknesses and sometimes the other side wins. The other side loses you know he is. Some of us are not strong enough to fight those. How hard is it though I have to Maj? I can't even imagine cutter goes through. It's it's hard it's sad. I mean I had to be tough. It had to be tough I. It was something that was significant enough that he had to draw the line and it was released that for him and really sad for me and it was almost like he had to mourn his dad. Do you know what I mean. It was almost like was he scared of his father. I'm sure there was some level of that. I mean he's an intimidating guy and like especially when it was like come to talk around like baseball and this yeah I mean. I'm sure Lenny especially I think in the darker days where lenny like wasn't sleeping and when they lost their fortune. I think that was a very scary time for Jesus. It's crazy talking about this stuff man. I still don't see you with it. You know it's funny. You say you have his anger issues. If you lined up ten one knows it obviously you steal it. We know when I'm acting it's like my first choice that I wanted to use as like anger so I know it's simmering in there by the way it's funny say that because you'll never see me lose my shit but when you heap. My brother wants Eric by the way. My brother is always has my back. Says he was an nights? Yeah Eric's great but once the van and I was really hungry and that's one thing when I'm hungry I just gotta eat so I tell you Jamie we should. He probably half an hour. You Call it that I'm hungry and even if you're not hungry ago yeah if you're hungry you should eat. I know you're right and then it's an hour and it's an hour and a half now my brother. It wasn't even that it was time. It was so defiant I remember specifically. He's driving and I'm in the backseat. Hey Dude just stop at Jack in the box man. I'm just GonNa get a quick Spicy Chicken Jack and surprise curly's and he's like no just dismissive and I go. I go seriously though. I'm really hungry. I thought it was go up. You know I'm really hungry. So just know we gotta get in the road man. I know dude. I'm really hungry and kept going. He was listening to me like a past got on there. We go dude I told you I'm I WANNA get something to eat. And you're just like yeah. We're not going to do that right now. And Dude next thing you know. There is a football for some reason. There's a football in the van and it just goes right by his head. I try. I tried to fucking hit him. Joe Montana I would've fucking popped him in his fucking head. But I mean if somebody pushes your buttons you fucking when Cutter Will Not Stop. Like Ping like he can key gets on things and then doesn't stop. I lose my show me your temper. I can't visit scare no. It's not scary. It's almost funny. It's almost like comical. I think when I get angry people laugh because I look ridiculous like I'm not somebody that's like a good angry. I'm like I get like very rigid and like I'm like. Why is this happening like yet like we were fighting last night about something and I was like and he he he realized I was right and he I was looking at him being like? Can you apologize and he was staring the TV being like. I'm sorry okay. I'm sorry I was like no. He's like I said I'm sorry what more you want. It was like if you don't look at me and say you're sorry I don't buy that. You're sorry like how will you accept an apology staring at fucking apple? Tv? Look at me that means. Thank you know what I have to say. I'm not saying in the chauvinistic way but it's kind of like if I was cut her I might be like we had after I looked at. She's kind of a feisty said I was like I'm still going to have sex with you after this. You have to look at me and apologize like I was like and then I did the whole thing here. Look look at me and pretend I did something kind of fucked up to you and I'm going to look at the TV and just be like sorry cutter right. I'm sorry I was like. Do you feel apologized to now. Does he did learn from that. So the next thing. He looks at you and goes. Hey I'm sorry he's called me so much from work today so I think so so. This happened recently last night. This was last night I freaked out and then and then bow pissed you off this morning. Yes so you've had a rough morning and evening cancer podcast. No I would. What do you mean this is like witching hour afternoon with both my kids? I'm so happy to be here. This is therapy to isn't it? Be Ha- I love seeing you. It's really great seeing you. It's great seeing. You have podcast. I've to okay. That wasn't in my notes. I Have Mama said which is. It's a year old. I do it with my friend Jenna. And it's all about like the ups and downs of parenting. Not just mom. We just have Bob Sagi- our guest this week. Launched is a potty mouth. He was fucking awesome. I mean he is equal parts dirty ass comic and like so reflective and kind of smarts. Very smart is a wonderful guest. So that I have Momma said and then I have my newer baby. Podcast called Pajama Pants. Deal with Robert Mueller. Who played my brother and Sopranos and our friend Kassim Ans- new and that's new. We're like twenty one episode twenty two episodes in we just had Dr drew on the doctor. Perfect for the show Dr Drew. You can just three or four times and I can't get the fuck. I don't know how to get in touch with them. He knows somebody the email I don't know how we he drove all the way to our like our garage studio and like Silverlake all the way in the east side like so. If we can get you can get him. It was an amazing gas. Great I remember when I was doing love lines like hey is it true if like right after sex if you P probably won't get a disease he's like that's retarded way. He didn't say retarded by the way I told most folks but you know rob is people. Just think like key. They haven't heard from him in a while. But Rob Has Been Sober for almost seven years. I mean but he had a major drinking problem and then opioid an benzoate addiction and he kicked it and he's wonderful and then Kassim had some drinking issues and then there's me so like we're three very different people that we talked about nothing. Yes by what kind of sparked this was they were like. Can you ask your friend by the way? You didn't text me back. Not they were like. Can you help your friend? Ask Your friend Michael Rosenbaum and I was like yeah. I Texted Union. Didn't write me back talking about a liar. I now commie out as another son. We hadn't submitted text from an hour ago by. I did text you. Maybe not about that. Your question was will you come on? Are How long time no speak so rob liar? Eyler hyler who played my brother and Sopranos lives here now. You're doing a podcast together as well. But he mentioned to me that he loves yours if you ever want him on. I'm happy to introduce you guys. And then yesterday I said see tomorrow man it's I. I didn't respond. I thought I'd either come here because he's actually allergic to dogs. But I I really of course I wanted to do this. I thought they responded. This is back I mean. Of course I do your pockets. I'll be on the morals but we'll figure it out you know you'll come on so yes. I Have Pajama Pants. And it's so funny. We talk about all kinds of crazy shit. You love it. I love it. Isn't it cool? It is cool. It's a really I look forward to that like. It doesn't have zero expectations when I go into either of them. Do you know what I mean. It's not about a result when you podcast. It's so nice to have conversation and I'm getting better because I always sit around going. I don't and I always start talking. That's what part is listen in on. This is what you and I would have talked about if we sat down for lunch. Probably a million percent. So that's what people get listen in an intimate conversation. Yes almost exactly. This is not any different than you know. Yeah isn't that crazy? Yeah I there's something about it that to me is just honest and innocent and pure and just cool and people actually listen. No like do this touch my life. The interview Jimmy Lin opening up about her life and this and just like Oh my God gave me hope. And I listen to PODCASTS IN MY CAR. I never use it. If somebody says you'RE GONNA make a ton of money doing this. Podcast dodger fulltime. No Oh I know look. What's the money was a ton of Money Ryan? What what couple million dollars a year? I'll give you a million dollars anymore. No a million cash. No yeah but but you can't act. I saw would enjoy my life though so acting. You enjoy it yes. Long Hours I don't mind it. I think it's more if I'M I. I really want a job in La. You know what I want. I want to be in a fucking Sitcom for the next few years just because my kids a little. Isn't that the dream job? Do you like multi staff know. Why just the just that I hate to say this because I'm GonNa Sound like a Dick done it before. I just think it's it's not than those deep where I just think it's people love it. So what what do I know? Big Bang theory is a huge hit. Millions of love it they make millions of what is my opinion matter. My opinion is I just. It's like what is it. What am I doing here? That's right. No little substance acting so yeah I mean I am directing. Yeah Morgan on stuff. I went through stuff. I told you the treatment thing I was not feeling well. I had neck surgery so now I'm getting stronger voice and I'm working on that and I'm figuring out what what I want done as yet stop is a show that I wrote and I just got a great show runner. Who's really amazing? I can't say anything but we'RE GONNA start pitching that animated series that were pitching and so there's a lot of things that I'm creating you know but I do. I do love acting if it could be just like. Hey so you're just going to act from twelve to four today. That's why I love sitcoms. Well here's the thing. Sitcom that you're doing in front of a live studio audience and that to me that's too much nervous. It's nerve-racking change around thirty five pages. Memorize all this shit. It scares me man I used. I used to love it but now I don't know if used to love it. There's just something I like. The you're right it's easiest schedule if that's how your mind going home for bedtime every night except for mom would fucking love. It's come home and great sitcoms. Are there anymore not many how many I have not I don't know TV? Hardly are they. Ryan like Moldy Candy? I don't know what they are. Your mother was that people like that. That that's been a while okay. Yeah finished finished to entertainers dead. Big Bang theory scars the ship. Those these what he's memorizing every week. Fuck the whole week to practice. Changing lines up 'til Thursday night. His muscle is strong. He's got that muscle. He's got that lucky thing. Where drives me up a fucking wall along you and I will never talk a heart attack at ramp so much fun you but I'd rather do like a horror movie and there for three months rather do Even what else? That's a half hour like the one I wrote something like. Hey let's go for three or four months for the rest of the year you WanNa streaming yeah net flicks sin episodes. You're bust my ass. No all the stuff before I get there a moment. Just do this and then boom. That's that's the dream putting it out there. I'm just saying that's what I'd love to do it. I was on that. Show and pastor is great last great. It was great. I it and I love the people I just got cancelled apetit seasons and that would have been great for six years seven years. Yeah but like when you get older. It's harder to do certain things. I'm getting close to fifty six one hour when people say. Hey what you do. A one hour drama. Twenty two episodes of year they commitment. I don't want to do it and look again if I had to feed a fucking family. I'm a single loser here. If I had a family if I had I mean I do support some of my family but if I had to work like like that I would do anything. There's nothing I wouldn't do if I had to work. I would work at McDonald's I've worked at McDonalds I worked at a go-cart place. I was a mechanic and a go. Kart track mechanic in college. I worked at a at a roller rink. I was the DJ at a rolling. I work at a grocery store. Mcdonald's they were. I worked at a telemarketing. I show all the incarnations Michael Rosa. I'm looking lucky I'd I'd like to when I was talking about the podcast if I if I can. I'd like to just sit in this room all day and just talk to people who are more interesting like you. You know finally not more interesting right. You're interesting kind of. Are you always interesting? Well no actually not. This is the most I talked to. My power isn't that this is the most you've talks about what it is. I think it is Bingo night tomorrow night very excited more excited about TACO. I love the talk of having a TACO truck. I told my friends I said listen. Here's the deal. I said fifteen bucks. All you can eat tacos includes everything in my cleanup shit bringing extra five bucks for Bingo night. We have thirty people coming for big game of Bingo for real money about a really expensive. Bingo this is life sometimes podcasts. Bingo I'm with you I just wanted you know what it is. I want to do things because I really want to have fun and nome have fun doing them. There's an element of fun in there Do it. I don't care if I make money. You're not it's fun game nights anymore. I haven't done game night in a while. We have art night. He'll come over and drawn stuff. I'm not good. It doesn't matter it's not about being great. It's about being in the moment how we're going to do here now and there's so many things here you my therapist called about you know she. She says you're always should should be shutting on yourself. You're always shouting on yourself. Rosenbaum shooting like should I should I do that? Should do? Should on yourself. My Dad the one piece of advice that always rings in my head from Dad is always limit. Your Shoulda Woulda Coulda as so no. I don't should've all the time I I ended up taking chances. I like that about you. you strength training to stay strong strength training. Really help with the mess. Yeah I love feeling strong while I might have mobility issues still a little bit or balance issues I. I like seeing muscles on my body. Does it help pain? Go Away the strength or does it make you. Don't have pain. You just have like lack of control sometimes of certain things your body does Yep so no pain. I mean well look you know what maybe if somebody else was in my body. They'd think this was painful. I don't you baffle me. Woman you baffle me. Because I mean I know you say everybody would be strong. But you're just you know what it is. I think you're just so beautiful inside a noun so nice see you said thank you now. Look at me. I'm not so nice thank you do. I mean because I look at you and it's you are you're just you are. I know you say you have English. I know you say you have things that you need to work on an MD are on. You're working in your subject trying to be the best. You can feel the best you can be. And that's the whole game bright. That's the that's what you have to do but also to have that attitude. I think that maybe that's your parents or something. I don't know because you're really good friends. You know for my thirty six th birthday. I came home to find all my friends in my backyard. Sitting in a circle unlike blankets and they literally went around the circle to tell me how they felt about me. It was the most magical moment still to this day of my life and all of a basically at the end it was. They all just like we wish you could see yourself the way we see you. And that's what I try. I mean I'm still not there. Trust me but like that's I was even thinking that is you're telling me this I was like I wish I could digest what he saying to me right now and believe it wholeheartedly but maybe as humans. We we really do that are some people can. And it's amazing. I just I try to. I appreciate what you're saying. I wish I could believe it about myself for sure of yourself You know it's like I think about like what my legacy would be for my kids and I think that they would always say like she was always. She always tried her best. And I think that's all anyone can do right so I guess I love myself for that. I'm hard on myself from harder myself every day. I mean I'm I'm I'm very. I'm good at separating I understand what's my ego and what's not Egos very mean to me. And so I. I've been dealing with that my whole life and I have the awareness. Now it still sucks but That's why I'm like you know I'm working on it. I'm figuring trying but like you're crying I don't WanNa make you sad and happy. You know what else really as healthy as is. We'd we'd be. Yeah like every night like it's my I didn't I didn't smoke. Toss thirty four. Well no big weed smoker either. But I wasn't or is it into the time of day. I don't smoke during the day from with my kids. Certain brand or something that they like. Lower farms okay. They make these joints so it's like just a little bit for me. They also have these hemp ones. That don't get you high. Get so fucking creative on them off. Okay hang on a second. Will you write this down attack? Nick Semisi why I am teared up here because I thought I imagined I tried them. What you said was so profound. How beautiful is it that your friends sat you? Yeah sat with you around you telling you all the reasons you should love yourself the things that you don't see and I have a feeling like I. I I feel like you and I are similar like that I just like. I don't think that great. I really don't matter how much I say. Oh Yeah I'm GonNa do charity and I'm willing to do this. I sit there and say all these things and I do. I really am trying to be better and I'm trying to be a good person. I'm trying to for me but I don't know if I I wish everyone could have what I had that night. I think if everyone can have at least once in their adult life it was you know it was cool to as my son sat there and watched it all. But you cry. I was fucking man. Everyone did yeah I think he did. He's not an easy crier. But but I think he did Jon Jon Cryer. Is Jon Cryer? I always say things like I'm going to go. I got Christian. Bale we gotTA GET OUTTA here. God Jon Cryer. Used names as verbs fat Any what was the one that you remember the most when someone was sitting there in your backyard that night and telling you could see you know what was the one that resonates who's not like emotional doesn't cry. She's like the Party girl. She's like the fun girl she looked at me and she's like. I know you opt out of so many things because you think you're going to slow us down and she's like but if you could only know that it's like honor to hold you up like it would be an honor to give you a piggyback at Coachella or or stagecoach like you always say like I'm not going to go 'cause I don't WanNa sleep guys down in the truth and she's like it would boot early. Nothing would make me happier than to throw you on my back and have you experienced that with me and that really hit me and I just home so sweet so sweet so sweet. I have really good. Friends have added all these tears. Come and do that. I mean I cry every once in a while habent. We'll it's not just about me. It's just about like really great. Humans that took their time that night and I think that's I think that's beautiful. I think everybody should do that with the way they didn't intend to do that. They thought they were just going to sit around. And we thought we were going to do a met my friend Ryan. Who's like this? He's just like God to me. He's like changed my life the day. I met him Kind of like a life coach waking up with Ryan followed him. He's the greatest human He was gonNA leave like a meditation and he said he's like I'm just going to begin by telling Jamie what she means to me and then somebody else went like oh. I want to tell her. And then that's what it turned into. I think what also it wasn't like a forced situation like everybody think of what you're gonna say to Jamie so everything was like just like quick like a people would just be like. Oh I want to say this to you so it was an very inspired moment happened very naturally because I would be horrified if people like. We're all GonNa sit around and tell you how we love you. I'd be like Oh my God Nanna now. I'd rather get you stoned. Let's eat a Ralph's cake and like just like you know old school. So that's a beautiful thing so if you're listening I mean if I mean I think that's important. What would you do if you know on your birthday or something? Everybody just kind of sit around and say hey man copy of course read and said I want you to know of this about you and just opened up about you. I would say you're full of Shit no I mean that'd be Really Nice. I mean that sounds like I don't. I don't know when I would do that. But do you love yourself not all the time? Now you like yourself you so fine. All you can do is work on yourself. All you do is every day. Just take a step in the right direction. All you could do say fucked up yesterday today. I'm going to do this. You know what I didn't like how I apologize. I didn't like a- say something you know what I want this and it's not about you right now. It's about them yesterday. Justice sick my suggests for two days and you know sometimes a little helpless. But you know this podcast going on and there's dogs running around there's people fixing shit and there's like I'm juggling. I managed but all I could think about was like texting your. Hey how you feeling so good. How are you feeling? I'm so glad I'm part of me. Was I going? Hey are you better yet and need you to be better reality was. I really wanted her to feel better. I did and if she was gone for the rest of the week I would manage. That's all the words being it back out. I mean sure I mean it's just like you fucking sick when I'm sick you there. I mean you know all right. This is called Shit talk and this is. It shouldn't talk with Rosenbaum this is just some questions. There's not many you can answer them. Quick we don't have to. This is from all my lovely Patrons unpatriotic fantastic and they get to ask these questions. Megan how was it appearing in a lonely island music video so fine I had no? It was like so out of the blue and I had no idea what I was going into my pants. Second I was like. Oh you cash or credit sophie. Do you have a dream Broadway role? You would love to play in Lima's but I think I'm too old so maybe Fontaine Fontaine's lead. No she dies like one quarter of the way through the lead. Drew Drew Barrymore and scream and halfway did win. The Oscar for funding was song. She sang a dream new. I cried when she saying that. Mush only dream. The dream Rose Mom. Your lawyer K dreamed drink now. Danny Danny I see. There are now Sopranos Conventions Happening Lynn. Sigler ever be interested in attending one. It's not that I was like. He'll be interested or not. I was working when they had this first Sopranos Con. I just feel so weird. It's just it. It feels very removed. From what the show was like it being like this like critically acclaimed beautiful piece of art like not to save like comic con in these things are like not honoring like great great work. It just doesn't it's for you. It doesn't compute. I get you. I just think that for me. It's like it's a chance for people that never meet. You told us just have a blast and here how much they love. You can't just very uncomfortable up against like me being like I don't give a shit about the no. No that's that's I respect that one hundred percent so people just not. Yeah I don't need to be paid to be like like a spectacle wavelength feels awkward to me. Your Mind Lisa ask at this point in her life is MSN major part of how she sees herself or is it just a piece of the puzzle. That is Jamie Lynn Sigler. It's it's definitely major part and that's what I'm trying to figure out how did have it not be. It's impossible to not have it not be right now but I'm trying to have it not be Raj. My wife and I dealt with some negativity from friends and family. After we decided to stop breastfeeding our Sundays of health issues. She was dealing with. I remember you being more vocal about having a stop breastfeeding because of the need to get back on medication for Ms. What is your advice for current and potential MOMS dealing with the stigma? Feeling as if you're supposed to breastfeed your child as long as possible. Look to Amy Schumer. She just like put something out about how she was like. You know what this is not feeling right for me and it's not right for my family so I'm GonNa stop and like God. She's just so fucking awesome because like this is our first Rodeo and she had the wherewithal and like the self love and awareness to be like not not for me and my baby's all right and I'm not gonNA feel bad about it like you. All this. Like guilt is has nothing to do with all the other chatter. It's all on you into if you a fed baby is a good baby. So you know you've got two things for me you're GonNa give me your dope What is it your dope? The lulls? Yeah I need to know what doc you're using and I'm GonNa come on your podcast. 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THE FIGHT with Teddy Atlas

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"Welcome to the fight with teddy outlets presented by dynamic striking. I'm ken rideout. Joined as always by my good friend. Teddy atlas teddy. How you doing see people there. He's only saying good friend. Because you didn't hear the stuff toga was going on. pryatta okay. So that's his way of helped me and making everything small but he is my friend. I do i would be i do care about him. And he's he's leaving and He's going away. He's leaving california. And he's moving to tennessee and i wish more the log. Happy for his family I just hope that they're going to be very happy. New in their new home in tennessee. And good luck. And congratulations on the move. Thank you just to be clear. I'm not leaving the show. I'm just leaving. la going to. He's he's just going to be over the bringing his his lovely family and himself Making the state of tennessee. A better place of. I'm going to try all well when you bring good people. It's always it's always helpful. Good people is what makes the place to place to place. It's the people that are there and also to show you my that i do care about you. Obviously the people know that they feel chemistry. But your your pain. After the weekend. Right i i made something for you here. This is i had to make this for you. thank downstairs. I'm sorry that's sorry bay. It's going back to the super bowl unhealthy. But don't worry. I mean really and listen everybody out there if you have any caring for ken Not that we want to send negative thoughts out. But i know just just a little little tiny negative thoughts for the super bowl. Not too much not too much. But i'd hate to see how he's gonna feel. They actually win the super bowl. The tampa pay patriots. I would hate to. I mean if just how bad would be if they can't how bad will be now to be honest. I'm actually hoping they do. Because i think the patriots will get a super bowl ring to since half. The team is wrong. My goodness have to the half. The matters brady. Wow wow hey grog drug every once in a while. because he he's he don't have too much left but every once in a while he'll make a play you know it's it's it's amazing but brady was so good in the first half ago did his age show a little bit and i'm being serious. Now that is aid. Show a little bit in the second. Half when he threw three picks. I mean is that can be connected to it or was it. Just that is concentration. Level fluctuated a little. Would you wouldn't expect from a pro like like brady. yeah. I don't know i the guys hired to. He's hard to bet against know credit to green bay for making good place. Hey listen it was very interesting super bowl or it is a very interesting super bowl matchup. Just from the point of view of you got the the old greatest of all time. I guess is pretty much to thinking for brady at this point except for except from you maybe but of i would say most people pretty much inclined to agree with that. So you got this veteran. Greatest of all time quarterback comes back amidst unbelievable scenario. He comes back. He leaves his team. All those super bowls all those years with the great coach of bella check he leaves he picks the right team brings them to super bowl and now he's playing against the era parent of his rome so to speak. It's pretty interesting. His stats are unbelievable. Scott ten super bowl starts the next closest guy joe. Montana has five in half the seasons more than half the season that he's been healthy he's gone to the super bowl more than half and is winning percentage in the super bowl's like six hundred and sixty seven percent. He's got thirty. Three playoff starts the next closest guy sixteen. Would you not have screwed on his bachelor with really. He's not on. I say you just just wait for your lawyer. Please say no. You're not represented right now properly. Really his unbelievable okay. That's to boxing. Let's start with m. a michael chandler. You have debut. Oh my god what a performance he put on against dan hooker just blasted him right out of there in the first round. I think hooker looked to be so concerned with takedown died. He wasn't expected the punch upstairs in an hooker and chandler caught him with a bomb and put him right out. Knock them right out jumped on them in just annihilated them. I mean would you see. There wasn't really much to evaluate given that he just essentially jumped in. They're swarmed him. Knocked them out. I disagree there's always something to see. Can if you know what you're saying and it doesn't just happen as furry. I don't believe in lucky shots and boxing. Mma any other combat sports or you know even hail. Marys in football when you throw it toward an last second you're able to pull it off and pull it out of the fire. The skills does does training for that. There's preparation for those situations and with same thing here. I mean he went in there with a plan chandler. I'm not gonna take it all myself to no more than i would ever should be pretending to know about hooker. I know he's a tough son of a gun They all most of them are the depends to what level of toughness they take two different levels. But i'll say this. It looked like chad had a better idea of what he was dealing with. What he was going to do that. Maybe maybe then hooked it and i. It's not knocking. It's me do my show doing what i need to do by the microphone and try to do it responsibly. And from the places that i come from but it's also the consistencies in his fight we had just seen. How can we just did a fight companion on oku with portray and you know. One of the things became so evident to me. Million that i pointed out is he's kinda kind of like the guys when i was doing a fight for those years at ringside at espn. He's he's a guy that is given these these great physical assets you know certain assets that not everyone gets high life you know and he doesn't really always how to use them and it's kind of like what i say about just a toll fighting to not enough to be taught to guarantee you and i had a fatal and it's not enough to be torn long know how to fight tore long. It's something that you have to have. The god given physical and the the attributes that aboard from genetics from your parents The physical attributes of of those advantages. That can be advantages heightened late but to us has to be taught it has to be developed and a lot of times. I'd be doing advice. I said let's find out if this talk guy another. How tall and a lot of time to find that they don't it's combination of maybe not being taught not understanding how the technique that goes to it and also the personality The mental makeup. You know of of that person. The you know who you are that you an aggressive person you. It's almost like i make a joke like you don't care if utah i'm aggressive. I'm gonna fight small. You know it should temperament. it's always tied into that. And that's the first thing that i thought of when his fight was was announced that it's not going to help hooker being that he doesn't really. He's not inclined to fight tall and that shannon looking like a strong guy. I fight in a ufc. Coming from bella. Taw but the homework i did on them. You know it was good on a map. Who's good on striking. Who's strong. I had mentioned on a last broadcast. That was good right and puncher. His technique looked really good when he threw the right handy truth right way through with nice and straight food from different positions to change those positions dependent on what the opening was. Wasn't that's the guy who knows what he's doing and again hooker. I love him. I mean tough. Son of a gun but doesn't know if i tall and chandler had the right game plan ken there even only less than a minute or whatever. A lot went into that. That's such a slam bang. You know bom bom. That's how it may. But take me thinking executing what into getting to that and the execution in the thinking for me that i saw advent i give them so much credit for it is chandler went in there and he understood that he could get khokar to give up his height and that he could get them to engage and he always wanted to stood by putting pressure on he would get hooked a tobacco up and when he's backing up. You're not set the punch. I mean other than having alley. There's not too many guys that were actually whether some but though actually able to back up and be fission offensively and once he got hook a backing up and once he penetrated channel in he penetrated that zone of being close. He knew exactly what to do as he was backing up. He threw beautiful at a getting kept backing up. Knowing that offensively hook would be you know would he would not be effective. He would not be a danger and it will beautiful combination a right hand to the body. I love took to the head. Set it up beautifully knowing that the one thing that you could catch when you close in a gap at first is a body and he caught of what downstairs and he also knew that he would take his eye level down at into love took would be a naked hulk compliant hoc that could do more damage so it was a well executed. Plan by chandler. And you talk about coming on the scene and making a name for yourself. That's what he did. I mean you talk about going on broadway on the stage the first time and bringing the house down. That's the way you wanted to. I mean your first fight your first fight in the ufc. The big boys. That's how you wanna do it. And he did it and he was say he was a little cocky and who saw pronouncement of the king. Here you know so to speak. You know. I'm sure. A lot of the ufc fighters that have been grinding. It out and been there for years might not have been pleased with his toll. You know saying. I basically i want everyone on the king. Now bring me everybody's head bring me everyone's head now and but on the other side of it he earned the right. You could say to to boast that way that moment. When the spotlight was on him he delivered. The spotlight was on him he delivered. I know again a lot of people say. Hey you better earn. You know we've been here long time buddy. You know you're coming in. You're making these proclamations these announcements and proclaiming this and that and these you know basically sounded almost like demands. You know who you're gonna fight and you're the king you know a lot of people again. They're not gonna. It's not gonna bode well with them but again he delivered he did deliver delivered. Guess what you can or you can cro- At that moment and he crowed. But i think that he listen. He's a force he he he beat a legitimate guy but again wasn't we saw the final result of his power the explosiveness but i always look at the plan. I always look at the execution of the plan. And that showed me an intelligent guy again. You know i. I always want to remember people. Yeah these guys are savages. You know in a good way. These guys are beasts like my son says about the top. Nfl players the piece. That guy's a piece and the most complementary way and these guys are but they're smart they're smart to the best one so smart to and It shows that's a part of it. Otherwise just tough. You have to know how to implement your abilities how to use your skills in that kind of environment. An environment of of environment of fire an environment of danger. An environment of elbows kicks knees bare fist. Practically that's that's a health and environment to be able to maintain your wits and think and when you can you have an edge on that guy you still the based all beast all these. But you're the smarter beast. I would say to my fighters. I would always say. We're going to be a monster but a smart monster a smart month so there you have it. That's what i saw. That's what i respect it. That's what i appreciated. And i'd like to see more of them just like i used to say on. Espn when we had sensational guy makers sensational debut. The first thing i'd say is i want to see more. You know i want to see more. And that's how it made me feel. I wanted to see more. Hey guys wanted to take a quick pause to give a thank you to today's sponsor human. We're very excited to have amputation. Working with us amp human is a performance Human performance company dedicated to helping people unlock that potential. Their latest innovation is d plus lotion. It's a one of a kind gel based lotion that delivers vitamin d directly through the skin with limited sunlight during the winter months and more time indoors. There's never been a more important time to supplement with vitamin d. 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Barely stand up at the end and at the end it almost like he kinda capitulated like just resigned to take the punches in and go down take nothing away from dust and striking but it just looked like once the leg was gonna kinda took all the fire out of mcgregor and he was resigned to just take a beating. And that's what he got and congratulations to dust. And i know you've got a lot of thoughts on this one and quite honestly you predicted this one exactly. You pointed out in our last show. That dustin was a completely different fighter than the first time. He was mature. He was calm. You could see not only in the in his entrance into the ring and the build up to the fight but even after the victory he was like almost emotionless and just kind of like is it. Just all business like the quarterback that would run into the the running back run into the end zone and just hand the football to the referee like. I'm not surprised. This is what i get paid to do. And that was dustin demeanor on saturday. Just all business and he took them apart. I mean he really put on an awesome performance. Which it like jim brown. Jim brown run bike. Maybe the greatest voter bag of all time he played lead season's shorter seasons Much less carries than the guys that you know emmett. Smith all those great running by stalking me wong tremendous but he had less carries an all of them and i think most football people that really consider themselves expert on that sport would save maybe front with the greatest. One of all even. Oh maybe two guys are ahead of now with yardage two or three. I don't know exactly where but he used to be known for that he would. He would run into that zone as you just said and instead of doing one of these elaborate celebrations. He would just had the ball had the ball to the umpire to the referee. And walk away and one time. A newspaper guy asks them. Hey jim you never slam the ball down. You never do any of these things that are becoming more and more exotic From some of the players to get an end zone how come on. Jim brown gave the right answer to answer you. Expect from somebody who's greater what they do with the confidence of it. He said i've been there before. And i expect to be there again. So i wanna also also point out one of the tweets. He sent out that. I liked her in the fight. You said experience maturity free free you up from wasted harmful emotions it showed tonight for portraying great. Prep and fight plan didn't hurt any executed. It was perfect. Some asian of what happened. Yeah listen. I felt good about his chances. And i and we obviously i stated that and we coveted. I felt good. Dissolve fight that people counting him short. They thought he had no chance. Because what happens six years earlier. Six or seven cycling sean to calendar. But he was a different guy. That's where it starts. What i said before this fight but i said on our podcast at if you guys were listening you know what you went to my bookie. It might have made a couple of showing you know that the were right all the time. But you got a good little good payback there you. What was the line can you. What will you come back with. He he was coming back with anywhere from like two fifty to seventy five minus three hundred three fifty on On mcgregor of your better by knockout. Well then you could take you five to one. Maybe then you could have been you know. Moving to tennessee. What can this weekend and getting one of those mansions. Moving it to listen. It all starts with a different man. He was a baby. I think those were my words exaggerating a little bit but i think the point is gotten is was gotten when i said it the way did on podcast before the fight. He was a baby back. Then he's a man now. And also when i said freed up what did i mean by that. His maturity has everything he now eighty senators game. Ken is mental. Seventy five eighty percent in my business. I always said seventy five in this business. I'd say it's more like eighty now. A lot of people say teddy. What about the kicks the elbows to. Yeah we know all that. I got you you get to a certain level that some guys are more talented than others. Eighty percent of it to use whatever skills you have in that octagon in that cage under those circumstances with dole that environment of fear and danger you have to mentally be superior you have to mentally. Be on top of your game being control of yourself be a master just like you have to be a mess with all your fiscal buildings kicking trudgill. Tswana floor grappling wrestling striking. You have to be a master of the mind in control of your emotions. He wasn't a massive back six seven years. He wasn't in control of his emotions and his mind to the level. He was now i in some ways he went into that. I fight in my estimation being in this business in a fight business forty five years might as donation not in control of himself in a way you have to be. I'm not talking about in control physically your domain of what you're responsible for this fall's conditioning and knowing what to do but i'm talking about controlling your motion controlling talking about you could see. He was impacted by the trash. Talk and make no excuses. Mcgregor was a bad guy and he won just like portray was a better guy. One this time but i'm explaining something to people hopefully in a way that big better that it's helpful and you can better appreciate what goes into the sport. The first time i believe that portray there was too much furniture in the room in the room being the attic. The head the mind where it was jumbled up with things that shouldn't be jumbled up with. He hadn't gotten to the place where he could clear the room. Now he had now. He had clear the role of negative things of things that have no place at that level at that level where he was just in there. Yeah he was in there throwing down. If you wanna use that term that used to use a lot of times the kids would using the well throwdown. So he was in throwdown but he wasn't in there the first time in a calculating way to fight professionally at that level to do the things that are part of professional fight at that level. More than just throwing down. They're ready to you. Know let his hands go ready to engage to take on the challenge. But he wasn't there in a way that he was there on saturday night. Where as i said. He eliminated the noise. He eliminated the furniture. That was just taking up space where he knew what it was about. And when you know what it's about and when you get to that place if you get to it and that's what just driving for. I know that's what i'll push mic guys for as a teacher as a trainer when you get to that place your free. He wasn't free the first time he was hostage to those feelings. But this time it was free this time it was only about what is should be about it. Anything you do can baseball football basketball prisoners lawyer doctor teacher. Whatever you about. He was free to concentrate on. Just what it was about fighting having a plan and executing that plan and taking your motions at putting away. They need to be. Put a good trolling them and using them in the right way. That's what he was. That's where it starts for me. And for him and then he was. He had a great plan. He had a great plan. And i said it during the tweets. I said it before the fight. It wasn't any secret that mcgregor's are fast starter. An explosive start a quick twitch kind of talent explosive and that sometimes poor could be a slow starter and he had to be obviously very very aware of that and do something about it and he had a plan to do something about when everyone else was kind of almost giggling the especially the backers of i get it and i'm not taking a shot at you at all. I applaud you guys. You guys like all the fans. I applaud your loyal fans. And you guy obviously no way shape themselves. He never does another. These guys do they. Don't know how. But what i'm saying. Is that some people. You could almost see the the giggle like a giggle like after the first round ho. You know it's going to be the same bad round. And i was looking at a bad round for pori ken. I was looking at. And i even tweeted it. I i was looking at as a bad round. He lost around. But i was looking at as a good round. I was looking like everything's going. According to plan like he slowed down. He had to get into the fight. He had to give himself a place to build off of a belief that he could build off something to to jump off of for the second round he had to get past that first round not just survive it but without too much damage but he had to get past that first round and again just build a some kind of platform for himself to jump off the next round turn to to move forward off mentally physically but mentally and he did and he had to have a plan to do that he got in close. He went to the floor. Got up against the cage got nullified. He stretched it out. He's stretched it out sometimes because stretch the game out. You gotta slow it down fights toucan and you gotta stretch it out by some time and he did basketball games. I think about some of the great great great upsets in college basketball. So great. wants Where you had the great jimmy. Von of the late. Great jimmy valve with north carolina state When when they when they upset who the heck was it When he upset was it who it was adduced was houston when they upset the houston team that had all the nba players on it. Yeah yeah now houston had like five. Nba plays like they call them. The fi- slamma jamma may flew all over the stadium. It was like like you walked in. You say i mean there's like human beings a flying. You will being flight over here. This is like donkey tonk. There won't believable a logical one of the greatest players of all time. Clyde the clyde the glide drexler was on that team unbelievable. There were no shot. No shot no shot. But they had a plan. You had to slow the game down in spots you had to. There was certain things that had to be done. Because you want as athletic system is fast as you want as good and sirnak so you had to outsmart them had to control the things you could control and there was no margin for error or you again blown out you know. I mean the same thing i remember. Villanova was another great example villanova when they beat georgetown college pass for years and years ago. And patrick ewing was to senate georgetown. I mean villanova had a bunch of guys your height or maybe rob's height and and they and they won but they had a plan that discipline a plan a belief everything mental toughness. And that's what i saw and it was the same sort of thing like you can run and gun would mcgregor you. You would have been like with clyde drexler and one you would've got blown out of the fricken building. So what did he do. He grappled he got up against the fence he down and got himself mentally and physically into the game into the fight. Brin does if you're listening and i know you listen to a podcast. Praying and a lot of people didn't recognize that they just recognize that you came back in the second round but no i was thinking all of this is to my wife was so nervous because she knows what friends were them she was like. Oh my god. I can't watch now. No it's okay it's okay. Hey he's he's. He's doing what he needs to do and he he's slowed it down. He got an close he. He was able again by doing that even though he lost the first round he was able to build off of that he was able to get control of to fight and have control of himself for the so come and and it worked so so. That's where it starts for me from being a different guy and then from having a great plan he had a tremendous plan he knew exactly and then for me i was saying because when he got in close he took out of his. He took kind of out of his best element striking from a distance and he kind of sent a signal. I'm gonna get close to you. He said the metal signal really. There's a lot to this like a message. I'm gonna get close. I can get. I can get to you when i want to. I kind of like those movies. Where is the guy. I could get you anytime i want just to remind the anytime i want i can get to you. It was like a mental thing. I could get to you. I could get close. You're not gonna keep me where you want on the outside where you're gonna show that great striking ability. Great power with the left. Hand i could. I could get so any kept them away whether it was for two minutes. Three minutes. Minute and a half. He kept them from those two minutes. Those minute and a half those three minutes of doing what he does best. He kept them from doing that. That's a win. that's what people. I just had to make sure that people see that. There's more to it than than sometimes what meets the eye. So second round he goes and he's in a good place and for me. The fight plan had to be you could see a. Was you know his strengths. Clint eastwood usa say knows dirty. Harry movies you know man must know the other man straits and a man must knows weaknesses and you it's true and he knew destroys of kinda was. Don't let them keep you at the end of his punches. Don't be at the end change. Pistons either be all the way out all the way in but don't get caught at the end of his punches. He's got a reach advantage. He even used that reach advantage against me. Whether can he won the first four rounds. He was ahead after four rounds against my were. I know what happened. But i'm just saying let's not forget that mcgregor's ahead for four rounds i was there i was there at ringside doing the fight for sportscenter for espn. He was ahead after four behind and may whether the great may whether what he had to do took advantage of the to take advantage of but he was ahead for using his light using the south pole style and his his reach. Well poor knew that he had to make sure that he didn't allow him to use his reach to keep the yet so changed. He changed range very subtle. But i noticed it changed range. He didn't just stand. Did like the old timers would say the real train us. They used to say. Hey take a walk downtown. I love it. Take a walk around the block. You know don't stand in funchess do not and you know like i would tell fights. What did your grandmother and your mother used to tell you. If you're hanging out on the corner goods going to have you to get in trouble. Some beds can happen when you hanging out in front of the guy. Somebody's going to have a left hand back. That's bad that's bad. So get out of the corner. Take a walk downtown. he did. He changed distance. He did those things he did. Those who is prepared you understood the time he and he was coming up and control. He got rid of the furniture where he didn't banging into stuff way couldn't do it. He could mentally do it. He was prepared to do it to concentrate just on fighting nothing else. Not all those stuff that got into his skull six years ago. I'm telling you so now. He does that. And then even o'connor's great counterpuncher dozens of health strike to if you get kinda to give up his height a little bit which everyone's gonna make a mistake. Maybe get a little overconfident started. I'm going to get to him again. Like i did six years ago and get a little too close. You could count them when you get. Those chances counted the counterpuncher god. That's what he heard a with. He counted with his left hand. He got a little too close. Gave up the reach and he counted. Would love to have wasn't just brute. Force smart is a beautiful technique. He hurts him with that. And so for me. The fight plan was changed since. Don't get caught. At the end of the punches countered the counterpuncher. When you can and spots make sure make sure that you keep him from his straits as much as you can and he did that and then as a good puncher you know why because his feet always set he's always balanced he's always grabbing a flaw always grabbing a floor. Ken where he's he's balanced he's always. He's always in position to deliver to shift the power into the punch because his feet under him and he he was that again when he had to be really good striker. All those things but you know what. He's really was great at that night. He was a great finisher. He was a grad night. Everyone's a great finisher. You are you on it. He was a great. And i'm talking about great finisher. What he is a hell of finisher he did it again. Gadji was a gadji Gay chief he did it against a lot of guys he. That's not an accident. He is a tremendous finisher. Like i'll put them up there. Have people say whoa here. You're putting. But i mean he was a finisher and my sport jack dempsey. One of the great finishes evolved manasseh. Mola what are the great finishes in history of boxing Joe louis oh my god joe lose might my joe louis who i loved. He's he's he's like a nose levels when you competitive sports. I mean you know Mike tyson mike. Tyson was a great finisher. Joe louis jack. These guys were great. Finishes they hurt you. They got rid of you for the most part. And that's what does did did when he heard him ho. Every my family was all excited that because you know they obviously know. We're rooting for them. And they were like oh you think he wait. It's not oh. I said no no. It's over and i never say that. I never to superstitious. I've been around too long. I never say that can. But i said oh no. It's over. it's over. Because i know what kind of finish she is. And i just wanted to take the time to break it down to the level that i did because i think he deserves it. I think the fans deserve it in a way that they can appreciate that. It's more which. I know the fans duke but on a certain level you to really you can always appreciate even more of does more than just brute force. There's more than just toughness. There's more than just conditioning a great cardiovascular which these guys have all of that there's more than just an ability to endure to endure to take pain to find a way to discover new places to shine a light in a dog place that had big dogs before for most people ended remade stock for most people but to go and shine a light in those places and to show you can go beyond the doc yet can go with a light ends and there's even more does this. That goes with it. That's my story. That's what i wanted to bring to this and dustin congratulations spotty guy. I know he's coming on show that he'd become an soon for the fans out there. You know and listen. It's also as a little extra nice like a cherry on top. When the guy's a nice guy to that is not a nice does not make us feel a little extra good as the guy who runs a charity that helps people that benefits people that have tough lives and he makes their life a little better and he cares about doing that and he's dedicated to doing that. Isn't it nice. Isn't that a little cherry on top. I think so. Yeah not unlike the doctor. Atlas foundation and the great staten island or just share. What kind of guy. Dust and like you can't catch just for that to food. Wait hold on. Get it up again. Your buddy yeah love you as soon as as soon as the fight was over i sent dust and a test just saying wow what fight. Congratulations i know. You're not surprised but still great performance. Daddy i don't even. I don't even know how he responded this fast short of still being in the ring but he said thank you very much as soon as i sent the text like. I'm talking to soon as the fight was over. And obviously i asked him like you know we'd love to have you on the show whenever you have a chance. He said it'd be my pleasure so we'll have him on in the coming days and looking forward to hearing from him and hearing what's next obviously after the fight we heard chandler calling out everyone under the sun which you know that's to be expected that's what he showed to of course and dust in dust and said specifically after the fight when they asked about chandler he's like no chandler has had one fight against guy. I've already beaten. I've fought you know. I don't know how many times he's fought in the ufc to get to the point where he's in line for a title shot and i kind of understand where dustin is coming from but at the same time everyone knows. Dana white makes the rules in the ufc. I you know with the exception of charles all of era. I don't know who else would be in line to fight dustin for vacant title. If in fact khabib doesn't come back. Charles oliveira has eight wins in a row. And i know in the post fight press conference dustin said let let chandler fight charles olivera and i'll fight the winner which would be entertaining as well but it will be interesting to see what happens there and we'll get. We'll hear more from dustin in terms of his opinion on what happens next but lots of excitement in the one fifty five division. But one thing i wanted to get your thoughts on. They announced our friend. Dust it our francis gano is finally going to get his title shot against Steep amyotrophic in march and francis opening at. I think it was a minus one. Seventy five favorite in the rematch. He lost a really tough decision. In the first goal round bomb you know like dustin and connor in the in the first five for a second. I i think they're both different fighters now steep basement in some freaking wars and france has been going through people like a hot knife through border. I know you're excited for that. One any thoughts initial thoughts on that match up steep francis movies simla in some ways because he did lose tone. It was a decision you get knocked out. He didn't get devastated in kind of way. The poor he had to overcome but He's a different person. He's more mature more season. You know he was just a big lagaan was just a big strong punch back that I'm not saying he's gotten to the level of development he wants to but he's he's learned he's gotten further ahead. He understands kind of like pouria was making a point. Understood more about what it was about the second time you know. Not just getting in there and trolling down. I think in gone new knows now from his experience and being around and being more mature. More what it's about. It's it's great that you give a great gift of power because punches are born and they are. they're born would power. They're not you can approve with technique. Don't get me wrong but never got to become a great punch of won't want to be a great punch. And i think that and gone new francis has learned that there's more than just being a great puncher and his sport and you know in any sport in any business You know it's more than just having money and businesses more than just you know being a good talker. It's more than just being a guy that you know knows how to do math pretty well. There's an accumulation of many many many traits at disciplines that go into being successful. In whatever your vocation whatever you endeavor happened so happens to be and same thing here. I think that he has a better understanding. In grip he being francis on. It's a lot more than just being a big strong good punch. You have to have a way of delivering a punch a way of dealing with the other guys punch way of control at all those aspects of it and understanding the other specs i used to say on. Espn a lot of times. That being a great punches a gift so great privilege so great gift but at the same time. It's a curse because if you don't learn the other things whether it's like you just looking for that then what this. I get carts like now. What like all sugar. He's still standing like now. What are the other things. There is mental aptitude there is to mental. Endurance is the mental toughness and development. That they're now to deal with that is it is it. You're gonna find out right now davedroegkamp to go with the power. The f defensive abilities go with it or settle. You had like the great great. And he's great. He's great one of my favorites. George foreman who showed how crazy is by. Reinvented himself doing a metamorphosis and come back is a different person at dividend detainment entertainer a different spokesperson at different Everything a different personality and the different fighter a better even at that age a better more tougher more disciplined more season more experienced fighter. I mean he. He's special but like he said when when it all came crumbling down by the great great muhammad ali inside and that great upset. When after allie made them spend himself with george had learned that it was more than just power yet yet but he would and he would be great afterwards really special but he's and allies doing the rope dope blocking and somewhere around. I don't know six seven. I dig alley. Stop them in the eighth but somewhere around six or seven alley says that all you got. George george said yup does about it. You know you better have something else guys you better in whatever you do guys whatever you do you better have more than just money. You better have more than just a gift to gab. You better have more than just a nice looking suit. Ken scott a lot of nice looking suit but he's got more he's got more. You better have more than just those things. You'd better be more with the courtroom. The just the first to graduate in your in your law class with all those brains you better be able to handle what sometimes happens like the district. Attorney throws a curveball. Achy judge says no no. I will not allow that interpreters. What why why. You better have something else in life. You're better at if you don't stall work at it so working out. Because she can because she can and that for me. That's the thing the differences fight a little bit like Pori that francis will have a head and a better understanding of all the intricacies that it's more than just been a big guy power and if power not there the jab could be there you know the mind can be there you know something else could be there so ed listen. The other guy is getting older too. I don't know their ages but the other guys around he's been and more fights there's wherein tad malzahn the dominator. You know he's terrific the other guy. Don't get me wrong but you know he's been on thirty eight all right there. It is see i was right. I'm right once in a while. Sometimes some right. I thought so. And and france's about thirty two is something like that about that. The thirty four. But i mean just in terms of the dominant or you could tell steve bags a lot. More miles on That's the out by by daniel cormie. He went life and death. The second time with cormet francis has really never been the miles. You're right the mind. He's never really been beat up. No no no. He has no and so it should be listened. We admire we respect all of these guys. But we'll be rooting for francis. We don't hide it. We'll be rooting for them. And i hope he can. You know he's another guy like poor area you know. He does good things in cameroon where his home country does things to help others. You know. I like people. I know this is going to but people used to me. I like people can who are not selfish. You know what i was going to say. yes. I do well before we go. I know our boxing fans are going to be disappointed if we don't touch on some of the boxing news. Can i say one thing of. Because i made rob my man. I made him get this track ready. And i don't want to waste it There was one moment. There was one moment in a fight. It's never perfect but that's where the mental stuff that's where the toughness that's where it comes in you overcome it. There was one moment when i was given talk about. How does took a walk downtown change levels of distance and he didn't get caught at the end but he did get caught one time at the end of the left hand In a fight. Because you're you're not very rarely you're gonna find a for perfect fight and he did but that's was tough news that's where it comes in and he overcame and he got caught at one time at the end of the left hand with mcgregor but even their even their he rolled with it a little bit like he just road with just wasn't quite. If it was two inches can ever was who was two inches. Closer into that punch might have been a difference but wasn't just and and the point is for for the fans and for the spire and fighters out there that it's a game of life can be a game of inches just just interest and it's not an accident you train for those inches. Just just just train for them that that you understand that it's not about the stuff that's so obvious a mile of foot yard but it can be the difference just just an inch here and there and remind me of you know i had to move in there can for you for your kids because they they love when teddy brings analogy from a movie any al pacino the great al pacino with any given sunday what he's in that great great great locker room speech on the ballot all my goodness what he's in there and he's just saying the interest the answers we need all around us all around there. They're all around us an inch an inch. There makes all the difference an inch too soon him. And it's too late he's gotcha. We need those edges to do to satisfy our boxing fans out there. Ryan garcia tweeting. Recently that he's trying to get a fight finalize with manny pack. You might have some insight on this one. Just wanted to get your thoughts on that potential matchup and where it stands. I've i've reached out right away. We have sources. That's another you love that with your with you here. The people. I have sources. I always wanted to say that was never that was never really inclined to be that guy on. Espn all the one thing that your sources can rest assured with is that you'll never reveal the sources if there's anyone you can trust with the secret or the nuclear codes it's ted. I appreciate it. And that i would say usually pat myself and i i happen to be accurate about. There's no gray area there you don't have to even take credit anyone who knows you know you could tell you could tell teddy that you're like where you're buried. The bodies are no one will ever find out how to spell them. They'd have to smell but no so. I have my sources all those my buddies on. Espn love to say. I got sources. I got sources really. What kind of sources are tomato sauce and source. I got sources have really actually Marinara sauce more than they have sources but anyway everyone has source but i talked to my sources and legitimate real sources otherwise. Obviously i wouldn't waste anyone's time and there's nothing made obviously. There's nothing done but there's real conversation israel confrontation israel. They gotta find the money. We'd like to get right to point and get right to our fence. It comes down to find money. If they can find the promoters could get a obviously. Ppc would be involved with it From what i understand. They still have probably still have a fight left with manny and obviously they have to history the absolute they'd have to be involved and of course. Golden boy is ryan so if the promoters networks if they can find a money person would happen. Some boxing which is a necessity cesary big Need obviously in any business you have to have money. If they can find the money it could it could possibly happen. I mean it's real as far as conversation about the possibility of it. Yes and money has to be there. If that happens to fight could happen at the end of the day. it'll be up to manny manny. Ob the one that have because ryan's ready to go. He's a young kid. He believes himself. He understands the magnitude of this. What manny would mean what it would mean beating guy of his and i kinda guy. Even you know maddie's older now let's face it. He's forty two. I think he's forty two but he's older now but he's still shown himself to be special. I decide couple fights even at this age to what he's done but ryan is a smart young kid that has a great belief in his destiny and he Obviously if the he he he would obviously except the fight and want to fight in. He knows the upside for him. He's smart he understands again. Get what it would mean to fight such an iconic fighter. A at this point in his career at the end of the day would come down to manny everything being right starting with money and if that stairs that's right that there would be up to manny to give the go-ahead for it but But that's that's what i can tell you that compensation. The possibility is real. Gotta find the coins. Baby you gotta get the benjamins gotta get the benjamins before the next stage of negotiation of not negotiation yet but before the next phase guy to get the benjamins. yup saw. That's that's that's pretty much it. Yep well little bit alone the action here with the next weekend one or two weekends not much going on we got caleb plant in action who I'm a huge fan of caleb plant. I like him. he's exciting. He's fighting. Caleb true acts next week but other than that. We don't have anything on the calendar for a couple of weeks but coming up in true x this attracts of fighter. Yeah but he's a he's not a i don't see him as a guy who's going to win this fight. No i see it. More as given. Listen i i say what i feel. We always still swipe people listen. I like plants a good solid technical fight of really really. They've done a marvelous job a marvelous job navigating managing him And they give them the giving them a nice fight. They giving them a fight. I'm not saying this is a complete slam dunk but maybe it's close to a lay up. He he's might or might not be made in the. Ufc you telling me it might not be. It might not be. I mean listen. You have sometimes has their hiccups and their burps but not too often not often. They're on a pretty good diet over there. They they clean clean and Some of the some of the networks need it's clean not quite as clean some of these executives not as clean not so clean. But you know the fans tolerated. They tolerate it. Listen i'm not putting this into the category. Like i said of that. You know it's ridiculous shouldn't happen. No true access been a warrior. He's he's he's been he's been a guy that's been around but he's never shown an ability to win this level. Right fair i no. That's the perfect perfect description. But i do like kayla plant. And i'd like plant. I like to see him in tough. I like those better. Get them trying not to knock truck and i'm not. That's not my intention here by intention is to always give defense the truth that sometimes you ain't gonna get because sometimes says too many Too many hoops that the commentators trump intro so to speak to satisfy other places other adrenals. Yeah you know caleb. Caleb plant gives some good interviews. Act one thing i do. We don't do that. Had sam sam just having. Because i didn't know i was gonna have an opportunity to finally break these out. I didn't know ken but you know. What my audit these for me on amazon while ago. They didn't come on time when i wanted them for for certain episode but they and they gotta be warmed up they gotta be you so break them up. I we don't do okay. Man power there can there. You don't do pompoms. No bob palm via okay. Thank you sir. with that. Being said i'm a big fan of caleb plant and coincidentally he might be the second boxing guy in nashville me and him nashville tennessee. Kayla plant might be my new best friend in nashville so maybe at some point. We could get him on for a chat. But what i was gonna say with regards to the upcoming schedule. It's a little bit light. So as i said earlier teddy mentioned we've got interview with dust. Emporia coming up later this week. We're also working on getting a conversation lined up with max holloway couple of things in the pipeline that we're working on but some exciting stuff coming up. So hopefully we can bring some good boxing and ufc interviews in the coming week or two. And next time. I see teddy. I'll become into you from the great state of tennessee wearing orange. You we'll be more in more likely to be in black and gold. We'll be in nashville. Where vanderbilt where my wife went to college. Not the tennessee. Volunteers definitely not and vanderbilt. Where are great producer. Rob moore also went to college. So we've got the van de connection there goal commodores. Yeah we'll definitely. I'll be rooting one of finish. One thing for the fans out there that you know that a little hurting from their man. Mkx ed listener used to it. Because that's part of the risk is tough business in boxing. To of course but more so on you have because they matched them tougher as we've as we've stated really shown the proof of on show But defense that you know you'll hurt by emam mcgregor Loosen and is first of all you would never count that guy out. Never they got too much pride too much ability. What does he thirty two years old. So you couldn't you. You wouldn't count them out number one. But what i want to say in all because a lot of people say we was so pro poor. I wouldn't say that. I don't think we're that but we don't hide that were that we care about him and his friends and we were rooting for. We don't hide it. But we pointed out i think fairly both sides but what i wanna say is and this is things that snow but maybe a reminder of how important and how iconic mcgregor has been has become to the sport of ufc. He's the guy that brought it to a new level to a new level kind of like tiger woods bringing golf to an to another level being watched by the audience. I think that's fair. He's blooded to that lovell now. Listen he's not the guy that started it or the only guy that's been part of that building it's always. It's always a work in progress in anything that you're developing in a company in anything As a fighter as a person as a human being here You know whatever you're doing it's always a process of getting to the next point and there's a lot of people that were involved in that process. I mean it. Probably starts to gracie's too great gracie's in usa able brazilian jujitsu Geniuses kings masters they were they and remember them when when you have si was just in its infancy. I remember i remember. Actually the owners of it probably going to massacre their name. You're going to help me that. Tahiti brothers I think that was to eat about what mitch out to me. The titas cassandra's up sorry. I'm sorry they all the casinos the casinos franken lorenzo. Yeah and i think we did some. We did do some fights in their casinos. I believe Years ago going back my god twenty three years. Whatever a vegas with espn. I think we did some some friday nights. There i i i believe so but anyway they so i i remember the people that were part of the building of the great sport that has become the great product to i mean dana white. They've done a unbelievable job. But i mean the trade places. Like i said saud's with gracie's tito ortiz. I've made i made sure i wrote them down. Shamrock i remember these guys. I remember shamrock brock listeners. Silva of course. Those guys say pierre jones right ronda. Rousey came along kabibi for those guys but the early ones that that kept it going before it got this level that will part of of course you know chocolate dowell ready culture out obese. Bang holloway. dc. Call me the as all of them pori now all of them but they put their truly put their sweat and blood their blood and guts into the sport. They're all part of getting into this point. But mcgregor was the catalyst. It's gotta just. I had to say it. That's all that he was too he was he was the catalyst to get it to the to the next point to bring that kind of attention you know like i said earlier like a very similar to what tiger woods i mean. You had arnold. Yeah jack nicholson and you know. You had all those great golfers that out forgotten about that. That kept the sport going into that developed. A sport and blood sport odd to to new levels but then tiger took her to another new level. And i just wanted to throw that out there And a and finished with my thoughts on mcgregor by saying he's also one of those rare guys can that can lose and people will still watch him. Yes it's not anywhere near that sentence where he can only guys i can remember. Well there's a few but once in more modern times were mike tyson and gatty. They will they will. They would like that. They can lose fighters meet a damn france was still gonna watch. Networks was still gonna pay. Because they knew what they. They knew what they brought with them. Excitement at trinity knockouts whatever whatever but interest the defense would be there wasn contingent on winning a loser and very few. There's very few people in and sports really that you could say that it doesn't matter and we'll talk about combat sports. Obviously that it doesn't matter so much. If they wanna lose mcgregor was one of those guys. People will still say the same thing about tiger woods guys in a tournament. The tv ratings are through the roof when he's not in there then very true. I was concentrate more on examples from combat sports. But yeah exactly so. I just wanted to say that we have feelings over here too. We have failing. That's that's yup well teddy before we sign off. I just want to give another quick shoutout to our newest sponsor amp human. Check them out at human dot com. I love this stuff. I use their pr lotion before every workout in every race iran and i use the vitamin d plus solution every morning. Rub it on your forearms. Make sure you're getting your vitamin d protection with the covid situation. So i know you have some of this teddy huts. Make sure you're using it every day. It's good stuff it's good you know it's just a finish off of what you just brought up with that. Is we talked about the importance of being the top of your game. These guys. it's so many elements so many elements and elements that you control and ones. You can't control wall. That's where the mental part that you handle it. Yup but the so many elements to winning at a high level. You know the conditioning the training dedication commitment that the discipline all of that and then of course we talked about it to another level. Today ken the game plan You know The the the seasoning that you had to get All those things the apart of all the elements that you need to win at a high level and when there's things available you grabbed them they use them and in that case. That's what you're talking about. Yeah you're going to have to have the mental development and a toughness and the seasoning and technique the physical attributes that you were born with you have to develop them to their utmost all of that all of that's part of winning and whatever you do but then as things like you're talking about in this case supplements where if it's good use the damn thing and will we get athletic greens and amp human use. Those two things. I mean next to working out. Sleep and supplementation two most important things you can do the free free performance enhancers that illegal in all fifty states as you said that porn a push anything that did not have things that all bob board exactly well teddy. Thanks for doing this. It was a pleasure. We're going to like. I said guys we're going to have dust emporia coming out working on getting a conversation with max holloway and we've got some other exciting things in the pipeline for years. Well thanks for being with us. Please subscribe to the channel. 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But look I just want to say. Because you know normally, we can just come into the show and just like report the news but I want to say I I gave our community the. To discuss two topics. But they chose the bud. That's right. and. I just WanNa say pat yourselves on the back as well. because. This interview with Keith one time Thurman was released earlier than Tuesday, right? Because of the power of TB. We have Brian custer on Friday. And you know He. Spoke about his interview, Keep one-time Thurman and that I quote about send me the contract the context of that wasn't released onto. TV listeners who were listening to custer, put the pressure on him with social media and he released early and I'm glad that he did because we were treated to some fantastic quotes. have any time stamps which Would have been better but I. didn't consume this to literally this morning and and to be honest. I'm at fifty two minute mark of an hour and one minute video with sixteen seconds but it looks like Dumi has timestamps. No I was GONNA ask. If you prefer just to beat them off the article Nah it doesn't do justice honestly the big one in the notes. The one in the headline, it doesn't do it like Mammalian is talking with some emotion and it's funny. Because trae Milan Brandon were in the poll this morning. And they both kind of laughed like Oh you guys love. Bud. But I'm sure that if I check the results they bow voted for the bud topic second. They tried to say that there's a narrative that Keith. Is insinuating that he wants. A tuna or an eliminator, but that is not in fact what he said, you know they're twisting the narrative. He's one hundred percent ready for a title shot right now. If you WANNA give it to him. An I'm so happy the community chose this topic because we could have ended up in another division. Roughly a hundred and sixty eight. Titled in the Air But. But but while preparing for this show supermax, who's super duper. Mind, through the linkage in the pre pro and the linkage happens to be Eram already seen Germans people cold about Crawford fight. Yes. So this is the thing you can't hit me with the narrative the narrative creator I'm the dissect. was going on here without even reading the article which I will I'll click it in a bit going straight off the title, this Arum Doan Shade. Swaying the narrative right away because the rest of the headline says, but money demands are crazy. Meanwhile interns interview with Brian Custer he says. Tell Espn, send me some zeroes. They know what's reasonable and respectable he as say, semi to bag Semitruck semi ten, million like Br. He. Is He. They know what's respectable I was a two-time unified champion, six, hundred pay-per-view bother many pack here I got one loss. The names that are for you never seen. Okay listen. Don't believe the hype from the bud tenders you gotta listen to the interview yourself. Don't believe the high. Ain't go the comments matter of fact, go to comments on the last stand podcast. No. Hey. No. Hey They know he's back. They know he's back. I'm telling you know he's back and he feels like he's like an eighty percent he says the injuries you know. it's a eighty percent and who knows by the time he's back it could be at a hundred and That's one of the things that always concerned me with Keefe. You know was that injury the was he ever going to be the same and how long is he going to be our wide you out so long something wrong but you know him speaking on it and him being fired up right now Yeah it's exciting. Meant one thing for sure man the Keith always did was entertained. Through the whole thing I mean through the press into the fight. So yeah may he got numbers man he numbers and I don't I'd rather see Keith Thurman Versus Crawford Brook. Yes Ed. Lee Definitely but. These quotes from. The Bob Arum article out to Keith idea. We've had him on the show here and You know he conducted the interview. Bob Arum and you know. I'm just happy that people were put in the fire out there. Not just term San Senate contract. You know. Al called they called me. They called like I want to hear what bud tenders got to say today. What what could you possibly say today now it ain't just the social media call out in ages crowd chason. They called about the fight in you know big AL coach they called about the by. Law 'cause yesterday when Gary Russell said alcohol they laughed at him. So now Bob Arum is saying he received a cool. What are you going to say today? What are you going to say the day? Say How long can you defend Busey? You know what? I'm saying like Oh. So so we believe which is and I'm not saying you're not entitled to believe that you're not entitled to a believe it. Is Cool for you to believe the maybe they are out pricing themselves. You can. You can believe that Bob is. Speaking his truth, but you could also assess and say damn. Is Term and really I'll pricing. himself. He is the only welterweight of this generation. Not Name Mayweather Pacquiao in when I mean this generation I mean this welterweight crop, the new guys the new guys the price in himself though. We gotTA redo quotes. I know that ain't no offer. But what I'm saying, how could Keith once I'm Thurman of Warmer Unified Chin with one loss to manny Pacquiao with six hundred, thousand pay per view on his resume. Shawn, Porter Danny. Garcia. I don't understand how. Prices He's worth money I'm not saying he's where five million not saying he's worth three. Seven, eight nine, all I'm saying is. Let's not listen. Listen guys. See Bv made this interview come out quicker. Okay. kief either conducted this interview Tuesday August. Eighth. That means he was on the phone yesterday or today but I doubt it. Baba's Vegas Tom the article dropped eight twenty one this morning meaning. When we put out to poll what you want to talk about this article wasn't even. Written yet. Okay. So what I'm saying this is things all transplants. So again, bartenders before you jump to defense think about it. Why is Bob in a matter of less than twenty four hours since Keith one on Thurman put the ball in court. Why you see already seeing what happened on the phone call our. Why is he already saying keep out price and instead of calling out bat email out bat. Calling Sylvia Sam and say, what are we work out? That's a little bit highest pandemic less than a she. You know the first thing you do is take to the media to say they keep his out-priced himself. So you don't gotTa make the fight so you could get the bud tenders back in Buddah saying Oh look at Keith he got lows he lost a pet cow he entered any still one on money why we keep it private like Liu said yesterday she'll Duko let's stay out the media call me. We already ironed out all the hard shit. Let's make junior fight in Parker. In private no Bob WanNA say he out-pricing instead of calling back our say damn out a little bit hard. Do this. Let's do this. Oh, now you don't WanNa do that I get it I get it because you don't want to fight. You don't want to fight listen to the interview Yo Yo. TERRENCE KIEF says. Look at my resume I know Cherry picking up why would I run from Crawford? What he said, he said I don't. Guys in the ranking. Number one ring. Guy I don't elevate my mandatory like I'm fighting the guy they want you to fight. The world is backing you to fight porter afford them. Earliest in kids leftovers keep beat him. He beat Danny. So so what is we really talked about? How would we really saying here believe in the other side when Keith is proven and now not just as his Record proven his resume proven his paper numbers proven now, Bob Arum put the nail in the bud tenders coffin. Al. called. Our. Social. Media No more Champi. It is over an ancient twitter. Call the main who don't speak. The man who don't speak call how can you defend this now there is no defense. There is their defense was immediately like I said when you play basketball, you check it up check. Bob Bounced right back. Look the price himself. Paul no more than your corner. He out-priced themselves tomorrow and put tenders back yourself help us make believe the Keith is in worthy like Bruce Ebola. Exactly fucking circus. Circus that's what they are. A bunch of red nose clowns. KIEF is allegedly unworthy because he lost to Manny Pacquiao. You're going to tell people who've been doing this for years are looking at Keith and saying. He's not worthy. He lost a pack he brings nothing to the table. They just did six, hundred thousand buys. He brings nothing to the table. He's a former champion he brings nothing to the table. Okay. But Gamboa. Did. But Khan brought center table for beat him billy did. Come on Champs. We gotTa Stop Today's the day that we take a stand. Ow called your this is different now al called each. Kid. fucking. Right. The. Butts ski winning I. Don't even see Brandon on line. I haven't seen him chatting I. Haven't seen him chat in what happened. With. Max. So the world. I'll call now's no more arguing about, oh, he crowd as Oh if a contract you say No. No more corporate sisters we in. Oh, now are saying, no alcohol Arum Arum admitted what happened now? What happened now where we what's next somebody tell me what's next Alcohol. What's next somebody explained the best but send a representative which a stone please stand up explained to me logically, why would Bob Arum put this out there? Already Keith Keith dropped interview which was supposed to drop Tuesday come out forty eight hours early Bob already ruining negotiations in the medium and. Investment? Is Crawford. Dan Cash out yet? Scott. Then we got. It looks it looks like they saved you because I was ready to hit you with this one. Should be. Treat the incredible and the super chat he says this show going to make the bud tenders. Bud Scouts and the Republicans all come together form but trying. At this morning laughing the. Buds Ron I like that one I like that when I'm old head. Voltron now, but it's listen listen brandon and trae they in the community I seen him on the pole. Screen. Say they messages they had me thinking that that Kief was captured in the interview I literally went to go watch our interview before the show because they made me seem like he said Yo before I fi but I need a contract for tuna? No, no, no, that's not they taking it out of context custody says something this and I'm paraphrasing custody says something like this Kief. I've had many guests on the show. We've had Crawford Earl bub-bubba and always told me what their plan was what's your plan and he like well, you know, I want like a title shot a title eliminator. A title Tuna Tuna. Poor title. You know like that. That's in context of what he wants not what's in context of what he wants outside of PBC when we're and then when. When because the says, well, let me read to you when Bob was on and he like Yo bus say, Oh, if I send you a contract, he's like that's when he goes off. So bartenders, they want you to believe that Oh no, he said he say even though he said he wanted to fight he really said he wanted to know I. He really say a title eliminator no title eliminator. Within So that means like fight a Schoff for shot at earl or something like that. He ain't. If you give him a title shot semi some respectable. Let's get it on ESPN. He used the SPN, we think. We he going to take Espn Samuel to fight deal. Come on Y'all. Come on your. Ten has got to act so stupid sometimes just to make like to try to to try to make some sort of sense of the dumb shit. Dumb themselves down like he he wanted he wanted to ideal ESPN. Now come on man stop. You know. Andrei. To Koto 'cause, we got it right now. He says past the glass of Ice Cold Water he preaching the Gospel at nine twenty one am. Hit the like an Hashtag TB podcast I just think it's over right now like I'm waiting for I don't see. No Brandon's. J. Max I don't see no stone bones way though high in that. that. was another box boss Sony. I'm really coming for you better watch yourself but listen where where the. How could you defend is logically don't yell at me don't call me a curse. We don't say I got pennies on. Tell me why you think. Bob's first reaction is to say keep out pricing himself. Instead of instead of just negotiating, how can we make this work out damn I don't really want to do pay per view. You see not just took team over sealed off pay per view. Sort of split you willing to give Crawford on the pay per view. Then are you willing to concede since since Thurman loss are you willing to be sixty forty on paper then maybe we could do it. Now, Bud tenders say now I'd probably some self up bobbing Tom. We got time to waste on KIEF GOTTA lost. He ain't got no. We all need keep. We won't earl. That's that's defense. You you know you can hear you over the editing shit up cooking in the kitchen call me on the cook apologies for that. We got bud bartender. We open up these laws quick. I see one I see one is low I. See leads we open up these is way. Way At and don't come on here. Trying to come at me did you listen to the interview? Did you hear that? Did you read the article where Bob says? They called about the Crawford. Fight. Thurman versus Crawford, they called about that. But but he wants to let me give you the close man. Let me give you the cross. And quote Thurmond's people got in touch with me. They got in touch with me but. They're out to lunch. No. So yeah, they're out to lunch errands toe boxing seen they have such crazy expectations that just don't exist anymore their money demands are crazy. They said, they were free agents, which I'm sure they are. But again, who's going to pay what they're looking for? Okay. So, why put that out there You tell me that they keep said I want fifteen million to fight. Crawford. Because you know you gotta ask for a ridiculous amount of money. Price. No not only that. But for Bob's first reaction is to go to the media because here we go. Hope Stone Bone wakes up because I'm pretty sure Amir. Khan got like seven Mil. A. Mill. For who for To fight Crawford. Oh. Well, you'll. Why does a mere always? Get, get that much like not. Well people going to say because he brings the UK pay-per-view. That's why he got paid. That's that's that's a cult following. They they really stick with him and he has he has a following a strong. I mean I think everybody has a strong following. You know the way the Amir Khan. Come out for them. Blah Crawford fans defend him. In that interview I think Kief says, something that. Is True he has no fans right now like a lot of his fans. wrote off because he understood you know he never defended his unifies titles in an Emmy when when Keith? Keith was unified earl went to the UK. One Bell. He wanted that fight but he had shoulder surgery, and then after the soldier surgery, he say a hand injury and he's like I'm not GonNa go fight the tops the top of the. So you're right elbow and then hand and then he's like I'm not going to go fight the top of the division injured especially when Pacquiao our offering me an opportunity and listen, and this is why I said the KIEF. Would've been greater than mayweather because he's so intelligent listen to that boss move right? He like look. Why would I fi-. Irwin an injury when I could fight a legend WHO's on the way out. Earl, still trying to fight that legend that are for the people. Mad. I chose. So the Guy I chose. Earl got mad at but now earl waiting for that do to choose him and that's why because Irwin in thermal going to be here for the next four years is like thirty, one, thirty two. They still fight but he felt like pack out might not be there. I gotTa take that Opportunity even with an injury is a pat guess you don't. You know that's why I never understood why Adam of knocking and Luis Ortiz turned down Aj is this for belts the main like Whoa in I don't care who's matching the money as four Belsen Damn we forgot that at of about that, we talked about it. You just really phones. Yeah we. Totally talked about it. Well he tried to play it off he was like I mean it wasn't really off it was more like a phone call like Yo you want the fight we were and it was I've never mind member he also. Yeah no we didn't talk on it too much now because he say he. Did his own little skit but. You intrigued the incredible on the Super Chess says the boxer voice brandon had to go and scratches top rank posters he will be Ri- backed. He's scratching like genie trying to get the answers man I'm telling you listen I just want us all to be boxing fan. We don't need to be fans and nobody like right now. Right now as a legitimate boxing fan. You should be against Bob Arum we're not gonNA make it a bud thing. We not going to make it a bad thing. You should be sad for bud as bud tender because it's like damn. Why do that? Exactly you should be looking at Bob like why you do that? Why are you ain't stay quiet why you in keep trying this would have been the biggest name on his resume. This name is ten times bigger than Gamboa. Fifteen. TIMES BIGGER THAN JEFF. Horn. Twenty Times bigger than Kavaliauskas. One hundred times bigger than Hank London like I. Don't understand the logic in these boxing fans. It's like, do we want the best because you're going to say kief being a top thought? Well, two-way ain't the best. How we don't walk, you won't. We won't STRAPS WE WON'T WE, won't. Earl. Earl. We. Will. Know come on. So I, you earl and you're going back that campaign he won't earl. But in the meantime we've got in Jeff hone his as Ben Evita's. Kavaliauskas. And now they talking, Bro, come on. Come on. Look if they're music. Flimflam men, Okeydoke. Smokescreen you know me don't Let. It's over man they called your. Again missing social media no more man like I'm I'm even changing the tone of I'm hoping. I could get to them because I don't understand like how this is it registering like? It ain't fake. No more like. Representative called trying to make the fight in the first thing top bring do. This ain't even the first thing because the negative first thing they did keep said in the interview. You know the negative first thing they did was have bruce trample and Baram saying keith brings nothing because he's coming off a loss. Then the negative thing they did was once they received the phone call to realize that this wasn't just bullshit on the Internet media media play. They shoot it down they don't even negotiate. Meanwhile before open of these lines, I'm trying to give the butts and has all the information system kill themselves. We just going to bring them back. We're going to bring them bat to win allegedly Crawford sent Danny and offer for three million dollars flat. Purview and I was like Oh why would they even respond to that and they're like Yo but at least you should've and negotiated. So keep that logic in mind champs plead. Seat though you ought to control every time you super talented dollars. Thank you brother. You Ain't playing man that's what's up man appreciate. So. Much. Man Like Oh. It was different Danny received a flat fee to come to ESPN and then Khan receive the big offer. But y'all words were he shouldn't negotiate a ness why ain't even at least try like three was just the start number keep that in mind don't come on here being hypocrite why Bob Goats, the media, what y not again don't act like they. Negotiating Kief put this out here. We the people on TV forced custard drop the interview early. Bob Already did an interview last night because he's Vegas Tom Keefe Isaac is here in Jersey and he dropped eight twenty one connected dodge don't play dumb. Don't play dumb. Is fucking easy today he called. He called. Suits. supermax says Keith done pulled the card top-ranking once again Bob got excuses. Emoji over news Yasser Smell that. I. Stack no smoke. Bud. And then you got a mess seat. Come through with the red on the Super Chatman says, let's go TV for life earl comes back and fights and they classified it Danny Garcia. Over here with one hundred, twenty, six pounders scared to fight Thurman. This is funny. Keith is worth ten, fifteen mill hands down. He has many on his resume ness keep the pressure man love this show they. Throw. Thank you. See The make sure they screen shotted put a whole. Hey. Telling facts because this is what I'm saying this what I'm saying you got Crawford. Laughing at Gary once you laugh at earl now I mean kief laugh at him who really who really made the call that you say Gary in me You say Gary Faking it is. Thurman. Faking it to I guess everybody lying I guess everybody lying. And okay they all lying. Then only only only only team bud top rank tell the truth man. Only seen but meanwhile, we ain't got facts. Boban was trying to marinate gamble with Lopez wing got facts that Barbaro never wanted Pacquiao mayweather. Now, we ain't got those facts man. We're GONNA live blindly because we bud senders and we got scratch and sniff posters man I'm going out to the call man just be logical your. Be Logical the information is did power knowledge is power. Go read article go listen to the our interview don't just say I, want to listen to him because he got a loss he ain't got no belt and we all need to do you need. Who Do you need? When when when are we going to see? Crawford, a I guess respond right? We haven't gotten a response for. Now, his response I wish I could find it verbatim because his response. A year ago I bet you of US annual awful. You won't do Shit Blah Blah Blah right and then in April I got it actually on the community pays because I stay on his neck man because why why why is team? I know he a fighter is team lion. T I got the tweet on community pays right now pull it up. Is this team always? Are they? Are they holding and talking about health? Talking is I ain't. I. Ain't told my team Bowman. I believe Bowman out talking about the promotional exactly that I'm saying like you think that that's a possibility where they're just holding him back contractually because they're planning. Fight, they hold on them for that big five below I posted this three weeks ago. y'All three weeks ago on the Youtube community pays them screen shedders. Three weeks ago. Look. This this Crawford tweet. Right here shot Joe. As. Up. You don't know what you WANNA do because I bet if a if a contract be sent yo ass will find a way out. So stop plan with my name. So now who plan Now who plan. One hundred sixty seven thumbs up not one thumbs down. Go Go, go to these comments. Look what's this I top one Crawford always claimed nobody wants to fight him, but the world don't believe them no more the world don't believe him no more and his team making them look like that because they don't want shutting down offers. It's been forty. It's been twenty four hours or less to Keith interview drop. So that means keep drop the interview Sylvia Al San got on the phone with Arum arum called up. Keith like, Oh, I need you to help me shake this small fucking media storm by the comapny. This right article immediately, do once and What was what was direct quote come on man like Yo clowns shit red nosed clown shit look they have such crazy expectations that just don't exist anymore. So now he's trying to plea and pander to the pandemic. Oh we don't exist. Cams. Meanwhile while he tried to put on a few rewelded. Oh y'All don't fall for the Flimflam or you just going to be the stupid man. And if you I thought he was taking a hit on on on what Thurman Valley. Now I ain't talking about in valley. He's trying to say terminated worth what he did because at a time we in. Oh but ain't that were Crawford to I'm not taking pay. So that means therman German is crazy and got crazy expectations but not Crawford not Crawford Crawford already came out on interviews and said I ain't taking no pay cut. But Thurman is the one that's crazy. Maybe Baba's just in mixed up the names in the quote. Maybe it's the Crawford. The don't want to pay because ain't that what he already told us again, you all the information is there y'all the old Shit I forgot my interview. Championship, you ain't even on instagram. Why are we not I? Really. Got To cut me off when. Champion forgot completely about J. oops let me send him. There's Damn Jerry. We got we got into and this is perfect. This is my God. God is so good to us this dude. Is, like a professional. Anyway you know. Let me just go ahead and send them this link hit apologies. To my man's in Bam Bam. Bam Is. So what he sent me what he sent me seen a message also come to or was that Ma. Stupendous That was you sent Oh, a scheduled for ten not nine thirty year. Now it's ten bucks Oh, we super good. That's Big. Cut You okay. Okay. Terror squad. I. So we can take calls because this. This also going to hurt shop because before you do. Super Chat real quick by intrigue link Wray. He says tweedy bud been quiet emoji with the Zipper mouth three times since Thurman called him out laughing Emoji. So Yeah. We need to hear them I. see well accustomed because it feels like when I say. They can't believe me but I betcha foggy customer on Tumblr idea in custody Jeju expected soon as park has dropped Bob was going sabotage it. into the. Media. For sister responded. No. No on the ones that we saw, I think I put them in a people where she said Oh. About Gary. Yes you responded to that, but that's the. Way You had on this one. We're Bob already saying that they did call ya where are you at on this one? You know you may gary look like ally you laughed at all of. Our contracts laugh aloud emojis. Cool. You got the bartenders backing you about now. I WanNa see the excuse now. We call. We called this. What we've been waiting for. That's what I'm saying today is the day today is Judgment Day I get to see who's really a boxing fan os just a ball sniffer. I saw who's more sniffer saying. That's it because Israel a boxing fan. Or you're man fan because right now we know the one elite group called another elite group. And One group chose to go to the media to smear room. You could even gave better quotes, right Right think about it because I ain't gonNA open up these last I get it all out. I WANNA cut nobody or you could even gave better quotes. Do me right if you WANNA be cunning in the media. If you want to at least keep the negotiation lines open, you could say you know. They contacted us about that fight. We not on the right page yet, but we're looking to get did. You don't say the one do is off his rocker that he's crazy is the word you literally used crazy. That was your choice you're calling him in saying. So, obviously, you can't do business with someone who's in saying. Your. I mean. That line in the sand come on it's not like the first number that they throw at each other the number they agree on I mean. Even if there was a high number, I'm pretty sure the first step in negotiations but I see what you're saying I mean see what you're saying like the language that's being used as like you know he's off his rocker like you know like he's out of his mind but I think that the negotiation might just be. You know under wraps right now. It's being heavily considered right now. Right but there's no way would really tell tell that and says Crawford basically just he just fights man you know I know exactly how much He choice. So listen he says. Aaron considers Crawford Keith Thurman Eight. Terrific fight in quotes but he is an optimistic. It'd be made based on the recent conversation. You know. So I don't I just don't get it. It's like, oh, it's a terrific fight, but the expectations are crazy. You know they don't exist anymore their money demands are crazy. So, crazy money demand, but this is what I'm saying. How much more accurate way to get Jay pronounce his last name. Charger tawdry because he's going to be able to give us facts I just hope that his software or whatever he used to. Calculate all the metrics. He hasn't handy and he can give us the answers to. An Amir Khan, a Keith Thurman and a Terrence but Crawford, which he might have on his social media page I'm GONNA, check 'cause I see. Doron emphasis and Lemme Lemme screen shit this for my good friend intrigued the incredible and that Lanta Boomerang definitely a pound for pound supporter on the Super Chats. He says, Philadelphia rising. Star Giron came in at Number Eight on ESPN top twenty, five girons, Charisma charm excitement written all over his career making him a hot commodity among sports. Nutrition, and fitness lines Soto followers eighty six, thousand total post value two, thousand user engagement nine percent potential annual earnings. Sixty one thousand has hashtag is what's your worth? What's your worst worst? So this company. Break break media. Group does more than just valuations. He's all signs of producers Zach and he produced the box and MOMS episode, which is why I believe he did I didn't WanNa do the research do research I go off a cat so I believe he did I'm pretty sure I'm right I feel like you know that's why I always used that whole Biggie JC. Penney Pat. I'm pretty sure he's the dude to produce the whole MOMS episode raging Babe, which was amazing. Made me cry Josephus me a fan of Joseph Adorno. then. I realized he was also doing this. So He's done a few people look so so peop- The difference and it's not a chant Estrada is a CIA but she's a female Chamba look. She's slightly. A little bit ahead of them in followers. Impose value and in potential earnings. So this is important because again you're telling me the KIEF. His out pricing himself right when look look look look to context regis valued at two hundred thousand this is just post earnings. This is just a small kind of glimpse at value. Now one small area in one small area not purse value just value what they can bring on their own social media two hundred thousand. So again, very important very important. Look at the Charles Brothers as a totality as a whole. What they bring in. You understand to two million understand who? To Millie as a whole. So when people say Charles Ain't poppin now look you don't have to take this dudes. Word for Gospel you know we'll have him on the show and you can ask them some questions but. Yeah I mean you know He's does this thing with all look look? He's here with bud you know. They should they produce stuff for top ranking? So his algorithm see. They work whatever Value sets evaluate they work with everybody I've seen With split management Tim Tim, White House I. Think who's like the VP underneath David MC waters, but this company is all about. Helping. You know you're worth. And production. And helping a fighter. Gets Away I look C. C Ninety six percent of pro boxes aren't happy. He's trying to bring awareness, but we'll we'll. Good. The awareness is exactly what I'm getting A. You know it's something that I guess people don't often do know crunched these numbers if he can. Help people evaluate themselves at this day and age where social media is a huge thing. Oh, in this day and age where you got a world renown hall of fame promoters bashing you in the media to paint a narrative but it's not the facts right? Because one thing no one can do is tell you what your house is. Worth right you can actually go have an appraisal you know and know exactly what job is where no one can come and try to buy your house less than what it's worth or they can. But you don't have to Selah. You understand because you get an appraisal and this is what he's saying no be. On the Super Chat, we got a couple of just want to get through to them got the ten o'clock INTERVIEW MR J Chowdhry so box inexpert ten to fifteen mill hell. No key thing worth that. Shake my head. have it well, then the next cup. Remember. He's replying to see those comments. Let's not the narrative out the KIEF or is team experts fifteen mil. got to clear that up because we're going to have bud tenders Oh, you got these crazy Keith fans exit for ten fifteen and that's what they'll make. They're talking I. Don't WanNa hear about other people give me the fucking facts which you interview which see in the quotes don't call me to tell me about Seato, and his delusions and Keith Thurman Fans and they're the facts team out call keen bud what is your fucking excuse candy slim comes in and says I get Keith on the show he didn't make ten Milford Pack. and. See The butts enders now all of a sudden Seato around most from New Jersey. Is No longer Rommel's his name is Sturman. He's. He's team Thurman, he made the call to our and the X. for ten to fifteen minutes. This is what Bartenders WanNa, do grab the first thing to blind themselves they want to be there sheep. Brother I. Thought it was just Aj fans that could be sheep. Now I see any fanatic of any fighter is a sheep look at them they. Listen to what I'm telling you they all paying. To talk about another dude. Hypothetically telling you what he thinks is worth they not paying and talk about the facts. They not panic. Tell you to read a super chat like damn, y'all he really called your damn your while Bob. Go to me. No, they WANNA get at Seato. Red Noses. Are Josie on the supersized S, you can't get Bob your boy Thurman or someone close. and. Let me see. You got my man jared Lord top of the morning says the fat mack and the Bum Lord Crawford don't want the smoke. The only want to give off the illusion that they are avoided when the pressure is on the fat mack goes on nervous rents to justify the pedestrian tour. Man this open it up and a one more from John Lloyd. Called Thomas. Sound by one more time for the tenders. Unfortunately we got hit. With that one for the you know flag. So it's GonNa hit the other one. How many seconds you had it bro Bro, it's literally like three. Can't be three. Five seconds ir it has clogged. Entre APP has a car. Don't you Samba clock to let you know the the length because mine tells me the length of each soundbite. I'm a year? If I if I if I click on here. At all. Your should let yourself edit so you could shorten it, take it out just for you. Manno. Let's. Say. Sit. You, wiling he wild and Y'all the second way he killed. y'All y'all what was the second bar? No matter what the people say what else? Then he repeats it. Repeats it you got to play at once then no matter what the people say I don't know us. I the only way I could get unflagging by muting that but I did the process of muting and it has a muted, it's been it's been since that day. Processing. Kit. I'm an ad to get clever got sometimes sometimes, they can't 'cause the song muting is Beta. So sometimes, they can't muted. That's. software they came up with to, you know to help people who get flagged Mu that. The other option is to cut it out completely. But that's like. SPLICING. Young. So Let me see. He Says Hal Nah I'm a Thurman Fan, but he ain't worth ten Mil box an expert I just don't know why you'd super chatted a second time about another. Listeners super chat saying he believes he worth ten. You should be if you affirmative fan you should be like Yo Bob, Senate, did like I said I already told you what just to be saying Bob and went to the social of mediation and did it didn't not at all not at all but We going out to the code. Let's. Be. Really got we got five minutes till. We Get J. Let me see what he did on A. On a on a DM's. Man. Bro I I'll know man, I this is really I think we just might get a coffered thermal fight champ Yo when you got a guy. That's chasing the other guy at this level and he's really about it and I know keep terms really about it man. I know that boy man he when he says, he won't fight you WANNA fight you then the context right again when he brings up Keith I, mean Crawford's tweet that I read to you. That's when Keith goes in so. Fast forward, forty minutes he doubles back and he's like, so who do you really want is Lai man that Kroft he got under my skin. You know what? I'm saying, any go study says this is what I'm saying he goes deep. So I don't WanNa hear. No buts I'm cutting dude straight offense minute I. Ain't got time for the laws because he goes. DB says, know we've all seen each other amateurs you know what I'm saying I always seem Danny. So I was happy I'm proud to be that boys I. Oh, I took his Oh, I took I. got to say I beat Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia. So I seem Crawford an amateurs we never got to fire up would love to take that you know so. If Bud tenders the incident interview just don't even call in because you can hear it in my man's words and again his resume speak for the he's not the one again boa. Do moving up he ain't one four hang lundy you know he ain't the wonderful time. That's not him. He fought. He fought Danny he for Puerto. So why I sit here trying to lie and say that he's the one that doesn't WanNA fight. Crawford. Like does just stupidity and now now the only backbone they had was well, he just talking this crowd taste and not no more. They call John this article. They call jaw you can't lie. No Moore's over his overman we need. Our Josie on a super chest says they going to be like, why can't alcohol Thurman and not Ej? CAN'T I'll call Thurman, they're they're going to be like, why can out call? Let me see that what you say who said that he said, who's who going to be like. He said day on who is they is data bud fans. Let me see. Let me look at this with my F- Dago be like why can I I don't know if he meant to camp but it says can I'll call Thurman and not Ej so Oh oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the BUD sends GonNa Yeah Year Year. So the bartenders are to be also alcohol to set up a fight with Crawford who lows, who will wanNA fight, but now EJ and this is what I'm saying this like we don't want to hear about that. All we want to hear is what's your thoughts on an elite welterweight to fight Keefe I mean wanting to fight Crawford and really calling them really setting it up. That's will I worry about nothing else man don't don't don't give me No side topics about nine I want hear about. What you ate your job the nothing you cut an grand. No. No did no bob messed this up for yard. That's what I want to hear. That's don't WanNa hear. Box An expert on the super chest says ness. What is he worth for you? He worth whatever it takes to get the fight done whatever you need, whatever you need to do to get it done. That's not my business I don't see telling people they should get this or they should get that in the wilder fight. It was different because it was one and two at that Tom. This is not that. I mean they. Even said early like, oh, he should have not went to the medium. Or you're willing to do sixty forty maybe we could get a higher pay per view back in Split for Crawford since he's the ACO like something dog don't just hit the media in less than twenty four hours in. Kilifi. You killing fight because you know you know you know little boys like Gamboa's and Lundy and Ben Evita's touch them up. You don't want one time to do that. You don't want one time. About this damn right. Kavaliauskas put them down in. Judges. Saved them what they're going to do if KIEF put you down cold. Kennel. Ref. Save you the world going to see it. No Dude ain't tuna. You know what? He. Got dropped by lassus because he's crabbing lobster. But when the when the bill say Thurman coffered coffered. Thurman we tune in when that left Hook. And you go down, they can't Rob Thurman he a real name you can't be wrong if you're real that's Phoenix. Because Romero's the name, you can't Rob Thurman Chant In on San so let's get the fight old. On a super chat, you got a boxing expert says old one time. Not, this version. And then intrigued the incredible goes and says, but tenders talking about thermo and turn down to fight against bud. ESPN tried to sign him two years ago laughing emoji delusional. Aj, fans I'm playing a sheep soundbite is. In Bud tenders talk about two, thousand, eighteen, nineteen, we talk about today. We got a forty eight to thirty six hour Tom Spain, right? You know seventy two hours actually 'cause I. IT triggered from US bringing cuss on Bowman. And, then custer got all the messages from Ya and release the interview early and then Crawford Hurtig called Bob. Bob Got. The call now and like we got to come up with a plan. They boxing thin sin they boxed sin they did an interview. On. and said too much onto podcast is getting out. You. Know what? I'm saying they called us we boxed in we can't them more. Fleet flick option he applies himself. Everybody's going to believe that he pricing. Let's go with that year. Let's go with that. That's the perfect thing. That's what happened. I think I know what and I'm not going to be one of those to go along with that. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa stay focus on what's going on here. This is elites. This is a huge fight, and if I know I know Crawford and the Button Crawford, I'm pretty sure that confident that the guy's GonNa is GonNa. Is GonNa respond right I think bob kind of you know his wording was a little off their you know maybe you know he's a little theatrical at times. You know know how Bob Gates down real nonchalant about it. But I think that that you know if Keith term is really chasing him like this Crawford, got no way out and I say that not not to say that Crawford, trying to find a way out. I'm just saying there's no way out of that even if you wanted. It's a it's a bad for you in the public and it's a fight that everybody and I want to say everybody I mean boxing fans hardcore and even casuals even. Turn, into this. Fight and it's a huge fight. It East to happen and I think that whatever number was thrown in the beginning might just be just the beginnings of negotiation. Dog will doggy this first of all. We didn't even talk about the Super Duper nail cough I'm glad I ain't go a phone calls Braham, gabby interview. Listen the super-duper nail in the coffin is that he said I'm willing to sign it live on. G Ultimate Mr. Ultimate beloved like that's the ultimate bluff right? The cold it would up Champi send it out sign it live on I g and any don't just stop. He says, I never done that before. He was going through like Tyson. Chair Kamori. Tyson. Your you know well, see say. Bring to the media. He said this boy ain't never way 147 he'd gone over Spec at one, forty, seven he no longer sean at one, forty, seven, he never touched. Keith wants to forty-seven. He never touch earl at one, forty, seven, Dania one, forty, seven I'm running out of fingers. He said I'm running out of fingers at the amount of people he didn't fight. Fight me like what are you going to say today or he just talking? Just talking. But that phone call from Allen team at what was that that was talked to J. J., because he said he was out or. Jared, Lloyd back on. The super chest says, I need you guys to call J. McDonald's Obama phone? I'm sure he is out somewhere driving his ice cream truck, but there's eight facts and hate the common man that's why the endorsed a pedestrian tour. Oh No hate the common as a bug is to beat them all of saying he's. Him. Entreaty yeah. You just don't know if data same guy because they do too good. To. Three. Let's see. GotTa take these. He's typing. My should add is done now is asking me to do next. Give me like seven eight minutes. All right. We got seven eight minutes. I'll take some calls I. Don't even notice Dude I'm going to educate our home just he's GonNa educate us you know. So I am going to be a doubt you're going to have a lot of questions for home and want to wait. Really for the interview to be done completely. So we're going to go ahead and get to some of these calls while we wait on him to set things up. First, a word from our sponsors. These calls are brought to you by El Camino. Services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation. visit us at El Camino. Electrical Services, DOT COM subscribe to YouTube dot com slash the boxing voice for the latest and greatest interviews with no favorite fighters. Remember to writers five stars on Itunes. Caesar Las Vegas. The Mornings? At home today. Now, actually they stuck me in today's nice quiet. Service. But Yeah man Bob Better Messa man. As I know. We all know that. But as a fighter, you know what? I'm saying I don't think you would turn this down you've been. You've been talking about you know getting these TV news, they don't want. To this is the ultimate like you said, man is the ultimate plus call I. Don't think but is loving. But Bob. Knowing what he did with mayweather pack situation I hope on hope you don't put another one of those. 'cause this is definitely A. Definitely a fight that that needs to to to. To stick it to everybody else in people's Saint Alright mainly on that. Do you know what? I'm saying this fight that tells everybody I'm that dude like you know. So I, mean, this is giving me pump man honest the. Now. He's right. He's I'm. I'm. Here this is crunch time. Never. Felt more real. To me, I'm not even disappointed with Bob dissonant in the media because I'm hoping that it is GonNa continue to ring a cut in that lawn. North. Carolina. Josh with. A. Day. Hey Man would say. This kinda getting discussed. I mean. I'm in my said that a couple months ago I called Butter Ho, which I mean but as a whole per se but the situation around but this kind of hosted its it. So some family he's he's a fighter I mean the thing about Bobby Evans chief. So who knows what the money also, but you know confirming I mean is he going deserve listening but when he fight but not too much less I mean who's a former two-time? unify What's way? Champion but but I fight somebody man because this is ridiculous Br Bowman did make it look good on your show. Friday. When he said for champion, they know the next bite they're going to have not going to be a champion. So they need to get somebody in that ring and it's worth there's working on that. All right. All right. GOING OUT TO. New Jersey. Stu King. George. Back Kings. Kings. The morning. Top of the morning TV always bringing the heat man. Let's talk about it and as you said, you don't WanNa ahead. Let me say that right. We, we get to the point to where. There's a difference between reasons and excuses there might have been some reasons in the past why Thurman and Cropper Fight was not me? Now going into the bag of excuses. There will be no excuse as to why this does not happen and I mean like boom I always stay neutral in terms of choosing between the fighters. You know when people talk about you know I'm on earlier I'm on I'm on. I'm on boxing. So my opinion on what bug doing his objective and I'm say like we talk about all things you have to be all tournaments man you gotta hear. You in the business situation but sometimes, it's such a thing is looking bad looking back for the business boxing. So it is fighting has to happen it has that that's my all. Most comfortable. Thanks for calling in we're. going. Out to boomerang. In the New Orleans. Sport. Total disrespect. Quiet Adult. Guerrilla smartest thing. Away. Their. Humanity. If I'm I'm challenging one. Hundred. BILLION EAT. Less better million down call Kief Bat. The, model. Does this come on. After listening. Everything on the shoulders the moaning. Sound. Only excited. But a lot of facts is being left out. We still don't know the number that was asked in involved did come back and say that. The wind will keep doing with extra was unrealistic. We've got to find out the numbers is curious to me because you have bob number and you can easily get him on the show. Asks Him His opinion on why he's made a comment like instead you jump on your rent and you jump to conclusions and conclude that the fight all he's trying to stop stopped from happening promoter comes on the exit for on realistic number back of yesterday we will sail Casey pricing himself out or he's accident Austin in turns for something that he no, he won't get. So I'M NOT GONNA get excited about this. I don't care about what nobody sound ship out what you talking about right now. That's how I felt. That's emotions right there as you emotions. Moses look as hard as. He still had to curse come at me personally 'cause he. Type you smile. On to be a bud. Come to talk with you. It's hard to be a birthday man. It's hard like. They don't know how to defend this. How how can you defend this division? What a? Good. Change. Man. Ono. Keep Thurman. Versus, Berg Cropper would be a great fight. Why is there always gotta be a but for maybe like like that's why I don't really I don't really think he all less sweet to me like. I'm always going by earls pay per views, but when I saw an Americam versus Crosser, Hell No. Other stuff like watch I just it. He fighting people that's not I mean that was sweet at one time but you see them with canola. American or he's fighting people were one leg like. Get. Out of here there he's. He's really not that sweet to me. That's my call. Let's go, Chin Yeah Man. We going out to John in the X. Doll. Fellas y'all the online listening. I'm good Yo. Sorry. Now, CIA listening to the show. But nobody. So let's go champ highlight Yao Ming. Go another. Boxing Fan that doesn't believe but it's GonNa face anyone. Before you go to the next call Jarrett Lloyd on the Super Chat. You hear the quiver in J. McDonald's voice. He knows the gravy train and the assaults on the pedestrians is coming to an end. The crazy train at bag that. That bolts are there you go out to King? And Florey Hopefully it's sunny in Florida door I opened the door for audiences all sports to go back to the way it wasn't Jesus same. Making ten million dollars. I'm not really worried about what? event. Mush men and much they had told me why don't you read Jerry Lewis Super Chats? You Got Change Your Voice. I. Should be funny bad in a shot out to that seat tour we sat on them our suprachiasmatic might as well go hand. Account. Pound. But over yeah. Now, this man I mean, I didn't hear the artist I didn't hear the interview or read the article. So I can only go by with when I'm hearing this morning and you know, I again, I don't know we don't know the number I don't know what he's asked for but I think that. He deserves a lot of money because they say, Oh, Amir Khan seven million because what he's done and the fact that after that fight didn't he go make like five or six million to fight billy Saudi Arabia whatever. So approve that he's worth a certain amount of money and I think Keith is the same thing I mean this is a guy who who's unify champ. He's already done a successful pay per view. You know he's a certain caliber. So he he deserved certain amount of money. I mean, that's how everybody else does it right? That's that's what determines everybody. Else's money. So but again, we don't know the exact number. But at the end of the day man offer, with Santa Surreal Headway Man. Let's see if we can. We can actually get this fighting going. You know what I mean wishing upon a star Mazey's to see we can actually get this five. This is this is the fire we walked into the good fight what Crawford needs and it's with Thurman need you know what I'm saying coming off the law so But we that's all I got. Under scheme in Florida. Thank you for calling. It looks like we got our first guest Jay. Blitzer your name on Kgo with J., my son's name Jay we're going to leave it there and. You know I. Try to Pry my cell phone not doing research going back headphones force. We get. A little bit echoey because of the Empty Room. But Anyway, I try to find myself not really doing research and I wanNA believe I. I came across you when you did or produced in directed or shot. Boxing MOMS please tell me I'm right of not I'm embarrassed. A. Lot of notoriety. Boxing Moths. But before that champ, I was doing a lot of stuff in the boxing space I started off doing. He froze up. Jay, with the no service might. You got no service J.. Chopping up on his Jay. Alright. So hopefully, John's back. Pay. Frozen right. Now. Is he connected to either he's probably on Wi fi but. He's frozen. Remove him bring him back on right last year Jay. If you're listening, we're going to try to bring you back on champ. WILL BE Back. Yemen man we keep in it I mean look. There's this this breakdown that he's about the. Informed about because from what you just showed us. You know what I mean. It's basically a program algorithm. I guess they can you know I don't know consciously. Know. How it gets to his end result an I really bring more specifically for that. Guess. What what what channel did you catch box mom's Dot Com. member. We had interviewed her and. She. Let us know it was dropping. She was shopping into round. They was trying to get to pick it up or whatever that didn't happen but You know it was pretty good man and he did it and I was like, okay, this is this is tight. Then Star following them in and obviously I I realized you know he's got a different company going on and I it seems to be like Publis publicity company maybe. And I think that. The weighted he's attracting fighters. Or clients. Is through teaching them the value in stand but you know I wanted I wanted to get in all that but Crazy all real quick shot. It's like in my nature to take shots. So it's like crazy to the show social media guide on got. Internet. You're intrigued the incredible on a super chest says Bob got bud in protective custody do yes. Yes. Listen to me by coming out automatically talking about they price themselves out in less than twenty four hours. Yeah. Man They they want rather do the book fight I they still building bud into a bigger commercial star I guess I think. At least kept it accurate right. But don't got himself in. No you know no binding I guess probably just the promotional team. That's kind of like. China workout crunch the numbers. Pretty sure workout. What you already came out in the media took him out. He wants a crazy amount you if you was trying to work it out, you belie Thurmond's team did contact us and we're working in know we're we're trying to get this done but it looks like we got Jay Bat No. Yes. I think. Did. We J. You. Back. All right. So We're we're we? Okay you were telling us that you used to work in the box in the industry before the box moms episode different space. Yet knows working with the Philo Greco so is working with the foul fast you. Fighter. He his his cooking show. Initiative later. Yeah. I used to watch the. Your culinary flavour was boxing. I travel sports show featuring world class shops, world class fighters. And they're just talking culture food sports and entertainment. Self. Awareness Self Development and it was really cool interesting concept because it hasn't hasn't been done in boxing before a much F- ever even from the big network. So I thought that I could bring something new to this table with Phil get to know he had all the active to all the fighters get access to the BBC's stable. So we were just like this is just about us securing have been producing episodes at this point. And that show ended up being bought out by Roku. That Ott Platform, they purchase that show in twenty eighteen. As end the entire case study because at the end of the day, if you look at the case study itself, it was because of the culinary fighter platform that Phil got the contract a year later on. So that entire case study kind of full circle when we won the award at Synopsis Fluorite. Everyone. The. In the category of Best Partnership Sports in two thousand Nineteen So it was after twenty nineteen where I fully launched break median. Of course, that's what boxing mom comes in, and that's where all or nothing comes in semi Barca's we're con which was indicated through disown So it's been a really cool run man to say the least. Saw Breaking media is it a publicity company or is it more like a videography company? You know what what originally started out as just like what you said like a video production company. That's what it was in the beginning man it was just a in house digital agency meant to create content in original series on behalf of professional athletes, right but today just so much more than that because the world is moving in such a unique place in time where. The movement of that name image and likeness system are being created for college athletes in after another genres sports I felt like I could really make a name for not just myself rage aid to create a dominant space in boxing we're we can. Evaluate our athletes based on their name image and likeness because boxers. As you boys. There are so much more than just boxer. There are so many stories behind these guys success and passion hobbies and interests that you know. Frankly boxing managers and promoters are not doing enough for them. So I wanted to carve out a name for break media to be one of the hubs in boxing where we take care of that for them. Are Athletes Exclusively to the sport of boxing or or do you guys Have other athletes outside sport. I worked I mean So I, come to the world of a you know a digital activation is marketing and filmmaking. So I've worked plenty of asking some people from the NFL and we're working with the people of the NBA this year. But because boxing is a personal personal passion of mine because I see that there is nobody in the space, I just wanted to be the first one it. You know what I mean I just. So I can kind of start from something fresh and build a case study over the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years an potentially a great something bigger than boxing. So j one of the things that. Have really started to. I. Guess. Draw me two years. Your instagram are you evaluations of the fighters? Can you can you break down? Not to form obviously because I don't want you to give out the secret but like how accurate do you think you are? How did you come up with this? And why are you evaluating fighters? Are they taken offense or they? Are they reaching out the your thank you. Now I know how were what? I'm worth like what's going on with this information? You're giving the boxing. So. I got you so far. We've had over two hundred registrants to that calc later on the website. Yea. Right. What is on an image likeness? A we've had them for two hundred registrants, and so that's a very good indication to me that obviously maybe not a demand yet but obviously curiosity behind what we're doing which is a good sign, of course, but back to your question, how is it calculated without giving away the proprietary data part of this because obviously built really cool integral system and we've parted with open doors on this. I that's not ugly out there yet, but we are announcing exclusive partnership with open source. If you guys don't know what open door says please go google the recent Blake Lawrence founder grapevine a mind He owns sport's biggest l movement and he worked to keep out athletes on the NBA NHL and the NFL So these guys come from the you know the school of you know were sports rises from from the college athlete days. So he's got the system in place that that's already working. That's a rarity verified many many different people also business networks, sports agents working for digital agencies. So. We've parted up into this formula for break or at least the future boxing. The fundamentals are the exact same. So how does it work and how accurate is it? That's all the same. So it doesn't work any relief influences to marketing is. People were brandon stopped evaluation for themselves to there are plenty of. Publicly, available software can do that for you that can crack away your followers quackery or gauge -ment come up with a number based on your accounts algorithms to show a brand of that. So much opposed is worth that that's the same where it gets interesting because his boxing and this is something that we have to. Pan was our fighters. Are Not Instrument influencers you know what I mean. These guys are sport is all about viewership numbers and how many people view by numerous versus another fighter. So we do take into account like an individual case study as well as okay quote we got at A. Very high example like a tourist cooperative commitments would come in and we do not only just do the fundamentals, which is the algorithm, the user base engagement. But also what were the past viewership is like What were the numbers their fight like fight? Like fight numbers, viewership numbers. Reality Viewership numbers will take a look at the people review buys. We'll take a look at their ranking in the sport of boxing there likeability, and of course, they're safety because a guy like turns coffered who doesn't have as much of a following as Devante Davis, he'd still be able to obviously do more damage than. Sponsorship aspects because David isn't so much bread save. Link. You mean he's not brand safe because of his. Outside. Rudman's okay. So I'm very happy. I don't know if you were paying attention to the. Beginning of the show, but we're obviously discussing this is very popular for that's. been sent or you know attempt at making a fight with Terence Crawford. So can you? I guess give a score for these two fighters in real time was that too difficult. Time I wish I could ain't that Jesus because we got the system. Calculates obviously, the mental part, and then when she realized don't have, you don't see on your website I don't see on your website. If you've done Crawford or or Thurman and. They're not the case era. Those two guys are kind of what's in question you know Bob is saying that the IT Keith is asking for a crazy expectation and in my opinion. Is just six, hundred, thousand pay per view buys with with PAT cow. He has at least that name on his resume, which is legendary name, and then he's taken the oath of Danny Garcia and he also be. Shawn Porter you know I believe that he's worth something what that number is i. don't know I can't see Kief out pricing himself. Yeah you don't let the way I look at things like that. The way I like to look at things like that think about it from like I think about it from an outsider's perspective, right so when somebody if I'm a brand new year to me with two guys, you'll, both of these guys are fighting a pay-per-view who would you like to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars on ship to the question I'm GonNa ask for it to one of these guys is champion courage have yet because we want to go with the champ right at brands want to stick with the champions period it doesn't matter what sport you're in. So who's the champ right now is the first question that I ask obviously, viewership data ask membership is blinded identity, but to be as a brand. Seeing somebody. WHO's injury prone? as as as inactive Keith, there is a risk for a brand like what are the odds that this guy pulled out of the flight last minute? What are the? Big into the flight that those kind of questions would definitely come into question but likability. Yeah fuck man he is still likable. He's such exciting personality inside the ring outside the ring So it it's kind of hard to say or dictate which brand would go with the other but I won't tell you this there brands available for both fighters to make money on this I'm just thinking from an outsider perspective in what can a question to be asking right away. I think tears Crawford would be the first guy the day think about immediately I think go there followed by a well let's take a step back and see what I was. Keith can for. So and so because you. What would you think level of interest for a similar? Package like you did for Samuel Vargas and Virgil would be like if you seen that this fight got announcing, you decided to come top rank and say, look this is what I different design, Osama Vargas and This what I think I can do for Thurman and Crawford. Do. You think that the level of interest would be there for that. So, here's the thing with thirteen. Don't WanNa? Get Out of the way we virgil. Ortiz's will is one of our athletes I mean many of those. so-called. Argus Greco of course and event says. Dentist Hogan, we've worked with him. The list goes on their money Powell the one we just got the pizza at sponsorship for the. Here. So it's more like it's more like a are you GonNa actually answer your question with a hot topic that came to me last night. Did you guys? Yes, we heard about the Charles. Carlos. man you're you're dying. Cracked up on, you said what we the Charles What Yeah. One SEC same poor connection Louis just a CPA. Closer some other APPS here at I. Are we good now. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. tiptoe hot topic right now something I've been screaming yelling from the mountain tops for for years. Now as for athletes to focus on their content I've been very vocal both as boys night been taken from day one that listed the more you start focusing on your brand in your content, the more work for you in the future that many people. Questioned that a lot of people online, a lot of people have said you know what is the point of fighters focusing on the youtube careers doesn't pay off that care side Logan Polish it doesn't work in the real fight world. Fuck you at done. It does did because the twins have now just a licensing deal with showtime where they'll be made or exclusive content do lions only productions So for anybody WHO's ever questioned the game of power of content like this is your answer. The troll twins are One was highest rated commodity at the boxing. Their evaluation is at two billion, a year that could be making. So this is just the first step. They've just licensed the first ever content. You'll which show type thing. and the next step after this would be to obviously start thinking outside the box a little more possibly series the Phil to Netflix, or Hulu, or HBO, or even time to buy a series do Charles. What does that do for the twins? Excuse me. That gives them something to fall back a little boxing's dead for them because ended day you and I both as much as anybody else that fans don't really fuck with the fighters after retirement and frankly speaking really rock with them after a couple of losses like I say this all the time and I read this no disrespect. loses That I say this all the time. I say angles, Spence losers is I haven't been banned bases washed away. He loses his second. Fight the other half goes away. And this has been proven many many times guys. All we're saying is create a platform outside of boxing you get the general public's interest because those are the guys that are continuing with because they're not arc fans they don't they don't really know what lost her to beans. The hardcore fans understand with that music. That's what they stopped riding with you and this really fucked fighters mentality in the self esteem their egos. So we tried to open the bigger picture for these athletes, make realize this. There's a whole world out there and you could use your name image likeness to conquer. So. What's your fire plan? Where do you see breaking media or just you know Jay, in five years? I mean like I said the beginning man, we're just about a D for a selves, the image likeness sector, it's going to become a billion dollar industry over the next decade we just want to get our feet wet boxing obviously start moving slowly slowly the sports feel like you should always start with something that you know that you're passionate about. Do it perfectly skillet. Identity, day but we're not there. Yet. I'll tell you this though I'll tell you this. I've been getting some pretty interesting DM's attacks on behalf of boxing managers and I'm not gonNA. Tell you who they are. But I really interesting one where they were actually pissed that we're doing this NFL thing because I guess this off the back foot with an exchange I had with one of their athletes who wanted to approach a certain sponsor. So I, contacted the management team and let them know, hey, you know you're asking want us to work. We're trying to get the sponsorship or the. But they didn't like that we put out there publicly and so left me really bad tax those like you know you stop using our athletes names marketing to an look like this is a free fucking world right I mean we're allowed to put public information on behalf of ethics free first of all, what I paid for this So if the athlete is interested and they're knocking on the managers doors saying, Hey, these guys are offering like content sponsorship marketing, Dick Worth this much warned you fucking doing this for that guy instead of helping them he comes to me and said, hey. Why are you giving my fighter? You Know Confidence In their. Why Information Bob. That's your. BED Now, I said before I brought you on before Bertrand. I said that you were offering fighters. Knowledge power on what their value is and be. If you know what you're worth, you can negotiate much much better. You know. So that's exactly why we wanted to get you on. So from from a I guess Derek to`real standpoint or or are you more of the behind the camera but? Do you have anything cooking 'cause I really like boxing MOMS made the tip come out. I was already a fan of the ADORNO. Brothers I was already obviously a fan of rage and babe and and you know her shows and stuff in her bring her you know her her come up in the boxing world but. You put that together real. Nice for me. I like what I seen some wondering when we get some more. You that you're talking about my directorial portion of my career was coming up next and did you bring Michelle Rosado? Yeah. Brought up. Michelle was asking what's next for you in terms of like. Know Directing or shooting because what drew me to do was boxing mom's you know and you know it was it was really shot well. Yo, is technology yet. For. Direct toil stuff everything's on pause right now just because of the current climate of Kobe we're in but. I'm going to be returning to Philadelphia to work with Michelle We do have something coming up again I have a couple of more projects in the works with some pretty phenomenal. Level fighters, I can't see their names but working with them this fall it's going to be a really exciting new series coming off of these boxers, and look. Those series come out that you're working with these a level fighters are they going to release to youtube or you get at least announced a platform where we'll be able to view? So. So so that will I can do basic I love to start the free platform to start instagram series youtube intellect to go with that feed to air just because we can build a valley either i. that's one of the things that we pride ourselves on glitched show people what you're worth publicly that will be trade the sand and sell it later exactly like bill did it exactly now after fill the Charles Brothers now, the second set of boxers to sell their content to a platform, and it's just fucking incredible to see man honest because that's the defense as WanNa see. Fighters outside of their, you know zone doing things that they don't usually, and if they happen to sell it to a platform, like that's basic give everybody that conference that they need manager should not be against what we're offering managers should not be against what we're trying to do their fighters because at the end of the day we're excelling and enhancing their careers for you. So you're GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY TO MR manager. Blacklisting me you should be working with me and I think that the boxing community can see that we're here for the fighters I. The banners and even the voters I think I think a little shaken by what we're doing here because the district off fuck like these fighters and now we're to get evaluated outside of what we tell them exactly the command the and knowledge knowledge is power. I. If there's a separate entity saying, no, I'm worth two, hundred thousand and you're telling me I'm worth one, hundred I'm going to call Jay and find out all right. Where are you getting this data and how could I use this in my favor? And that's. Paris absurd. So we actually are looking to partner and this is open for any promoter network platform was listening. We're open a partner. I doesn't have to be exclusive Disa- just data that you guys did and a company that we've partnered with on this open doors provide the data to like all athletes from all sports. Boxing just needs to join the party and have somebody run that data for the social media doesn't. Let me ask you are the Charles and asset as a whole or separately because obviously the Charles Fan Dome really wants to. Cannella fi but the Cannella. Likes to say what is Charles Darwin? They bring nothing even though they always bunched them as they. It's only gonNA be one fighting. It's only going to be one sullen the pay per view versus canal. So. Yeah. Your thoughts on on that fight. From a marketing standpoint and actually being able to get made is the time right now for for. Charles. The timing is perfect for sure in regard to superstardom Stat right debit was there's no secret canellas a superstar. Zony three superstars box got age day canal employed whether that's all we got right. So what do you do when you speaking boxing your last night speaking boy mayweather and what he's picking Showtime Boxing Speaking Boy Mayweather. But in today's climate, would you speaking boxing like Yeah Canales name is right up there now along with the Joshua but. That I is to be made and the Charles the evaluation I put on Instagram last week there were evaluated over two dollars was powerful sources of boxing today. Saying they you're saying they only one can fight them. So are they are they high value together or separately is cannella going to make money when he fights just one? Yeah. Of course of course when we say together, that was powerful speaker together, they can combine their two dollars a potential revenue, a them separately. They're equally as good. You have you seen agemates like this is not. You can tell it's not. It's not bought followers of bought likes of bio combat. These are real life bill organic comments coming out every time they post a video on the youtube channel or on instagram when they tweet even. So. From a marketing standpoint, the spike is completely sellable because it's going to disrupt the hardcore box as we go we tell our family all sort of becomes his big thing but yeah, I as a whole. Either are low even dubbed Combine. He's still bigger because the twins unfortunately dame has not it'd be on boxing just yet but I, have high hopes that they're inevitably going to become that so. These metrics are for two million dollars worth of revenue just from their social media, specifically instagram or any platform you're talking about here. Also further chose what we did with really cool because we evaluated with the current rate of Netflix. Series are going for Lulu series and what the potential buyer would be So big. So today their posts were valued at fifteen thousand post, right? So if you divide that by two seventy, five, hundred eighty that's almost could still the content for. Alive two, hundred tweet about a company or if they want to promote a product or brand on instagram. They can sell that for about seventy five hundred. That's just a bare minimum. We would variables evaluation they. GotTa I gotTA. No listen listen as a favor for me do andy. Ruis pleased. Windy. Ruiz, because I like to joke around that I'm not sure whether his training is serious or is he just doing fashion Nova sponsored post? So I would really like to know how much those posts worth to him because you know all you really working out all you just getting paid to put onto pop fashion over shirts and pose everyday like I'm interested but I am interested on what the what the cost of that is. I know that he's been trading I haven't seen. Did you know if it's post-set sponsored by paid partnership with Vice? He's a everything he tags fashion over partner and his a foreigner and I know the clothing I know the clothing he's wearing fashion over purposely the post. Be A. Monster. I don't see the hiding Kinda quit I didn't up. and. You did Jay where are you at your Internet is terrible and secondly, you just say quid. Yet. No. I've been Toronto quit. I know not British. Yemen is like he didn't get a I. Don't think there was any monetary valley for with that sticker sponsorship. They just had a belt that was something I talked about in the past and I just think. Various because poked handy this team leading up to as A. As A. The. Actual I dude like cracking looking sticker sponsorship, you allow us and. You know. You. Broke up. You broke up. We didn't hear anything. Only thing I can assume is that you said you were going to make a deal for Andy about snickers so we need to rewind. Yeah can we were that? Can you guys hear me yeah? I was going to work with Andy spoke Andy and his team leading up to the Anthony Joshua rematch to get of the sticker sponsorship the deal did it go through but I bet you have a dead heat still. On my God damn will kill you. I can't. TORONTO, why is it? All these other countries are bad with Ban with what's up with that? You'll out of. Those days. Unite. Fired this warning in up. Saw Good. It's all good bad. Where are we? I guess? I was curious is this technology or this algorithm this program this name image and likeness is it used just with professional sports, athletes or does it Kind of run over into the college, the collegiate level. Due to. The liberal is like you can even do with the box way you can find out your worst by using. The program as well. As Sophie Blade. You ever heard social. Blade. A paid social blades. So social blade information that's publicly available. But if you sign up for business account with socially lot Ryan Olympics i. so data we have with open door. So for doors like the social blade, all words and so I I got lucky and fortunate that will the boundary obviously because it is not cheap. License what these like this but we have a very, very good relationship and He just very excited much as I am that were introduced to boxing because it gives them a little bit of boost one, another industry plus you know we we we all need something new for this for to grow in thick this. Is it because the? J.. Jay We're going to have to pick up another day champ. Toronto must be going to the Internet. As long as. We cannot hear. I. Heard. y'All. It's all good man listening leads reschedule you. Get you back on. But now we definitely got a lot of information out of you and I think the only thing I wanNA squeeze. You sure. You didn't have anything to do with that deal for the lions. For the Charles. Yeah I think I might have inspired it but do I wasn't involved in the business down because I do talk with the PC family on a regular basis I know the under the back in office they're very well So you know we're in talks all the time I give them ideas I give them a ways to look at things, but I wouldn't take any credit. For Shaw. Want? You. You're breaking up again but I WANNA With. Hormone, thank killing them Jj, there could even give our social media. We got the freeze frame. Yeah you can just give out social media. Man, I was screen sharing it. But yeah, hopefully, you could get it off. Yeah. Can You walk here. So I was just GonNa. Say I WANNA thank you obviously for coming on and if you can give out your social media if anybody that is and we can do so and we looked at, get you back law man you you. You definitely educated US nine. It looks like you have a passion for Brian you want the best for the sport men as boxing. Super Super since we were young man, we love the sport we appreciate what you're trying to Chan. Definitely. Education and because again, and that's going to help those listen. What you're doing is exactly what the Information Ryan Garcia new, which got him a new contract. He knew how powerful his social media words it got him a new contract. So Yemen thank you for helping some of these fight is awfully We could get a little more populous more is could get on USA, give everybody. Media once again. So anyone who isn't following can do so. Producer. Jane the letter C. so producer underscored JC the most poorly please follow the agency account, which is Break Media Inc B. R., e.. A. K.. Inc.. And it's just GONNA be poppy this year my lot of good series, a lot of good content and hopefully signing a lot. Actually we got a big signing announcing this week. It's A. It's a heavyweight from ABC and we can't wait to announce it because some big stuff going on with them. It's going to be a very cool announcement everybody stay tuned for that this week. So wait. Wait so. What would you be doing for this individual? GonNa be working content and sponsorship marketing. Ahead of his next fight, which is going to be debuted on Fox. It's part of the it was always part of the show schedule using the showtime people so. It's cool man. He's been featured in a few Hollywood movies. Already, a lot of people don't know this, but he's actually an actor slash model slash fighter. He signed Al Hayman. So those are the three ins there. So way he's new because that sounds new I dunno heavyweight heavyweight actor. Have seen seen the movies I mean while played on showtime. On, a movie. You'll hear about it. All, right. Well, J man. Thank you once again and thank you for dropping a little gem. Look forward to seeing everything you do for that heavyweight and and I want to. The growth I do I want to see how powerful it is but thank you once again, man. We shaded. And just on a side note for anybody who's interested signing up with the Agency program will be half of their athletes please do so. Let's work together to grow the sport at the end of the day I'm here for the first This should be zero at Mossy already competition. Really have the PBC versus top-ranked versus older boy was matra domain break media versus the world is a break media with the world and this work together you know what? I mean. That's absolutely I think that's an important message. Back on more regularly especially after you drop that announcement. So well, when can we expect that on your social media? Wants to be yesterday but we're just working on a few. Kinks of the contract, and then we should be to put this. All right well, J take it easy. Enjoy the rest of the day. Thank you for Lincoln Up. There you have it. Wow. That's some powerful information for. Cyp. He loves the Charles. Were Nah I I because I followed J. as soon as we last night when you sent me a tweet whatever. I looked into it and That's. That's because doom DNC the calendar he realized the interview when I gave him the tweet to re tweet not the the scheduling on the calendar. Yeah. Yet I'm the guy who's telling him what time the the interviewers stopped trying because you on Tobago say. God what? A I don't know all jokes aside Oprah like. This is like powerful. This powerful information Chad. And you know what I can see where like maybe a manager would get a little bit upset. Let's just keep it real right like obviously a lot of people have been comfortable with the old ways and the way things have been carried out for years and. Now, more than ever, bro the fighters in a place where he's well informed, he's not going to be used like a piece of meat. You know, and this is just another way. I'm not saying another way for a fighter to like out price himself every time you know the standing gold rules is still going to stand in the sport. You gotTA fight top competition. You can't get around stuff like that just because you have some type formula telling you that you're worth this much but this is something that's good man for for for the fighters, they need sponsorships that are looking for sponsorships that are looking. For other ways to to to bring an income, and also afterwards because that's the biggest you know point that he may was is a you know a lot of the time nobody ride with you after you've gone from the sport and nobody right which if you have if you sound hot sauce and you know what I'm saying, we rarely do do do you get a break? You know once you get out of boxing to to to reset on this stage so Stay on that stage on that limelight after boxing, you still going to get paid. You still going to get your checks and you need that man you need that as a fight, you need that security. You need that standpoint where you could say, Hey, look, this is this is a guideline for me. This is you know this is somewhat of what I'm worth and I ain't going to budge I'm not GonNa let you just you know treat me like. Like some freak piece of meat. For cheap know for sure. Let's get back to these callers. To the topic terrence Crawford's below. Before you do. There are some super chats. Are some super chats saw go to the first one ken toned. One says Spence fighting former Chen Danny Garcia big fight Crawford fight, and former unify champ Thurman. Quote Unquote big fight. How can both or top rank deny that? You can't deny chant they on the fence with this one you know. Boxing. Expert goes back I. Guess when Jay was on he says Chatillon fan alert. Alarm emojis. Boxing expert comes back says bring his back when the pay per view number. Come back. It's true. Yeah. Would you say the numbers go is an iceberg? Degree with the Algorithm. Chant. He come back with another one said CIA is the cat under table eating leftovers. meow. Hashtag, me on my bad right we left off on team so we got. King born go go go. Facets position like that. You know, don't give it a boss show. Bon. Ewing Lanza. happened. Decatur Georgia. Lead slow. On TV. On Air. Everything Toes I. Actually like how you been present in my bad shot about it. I actually liked how you've been present this today. To not date not blood fought is do crazy Old Cat named Bob Yemen. Light Digital. Like I I'm to the point now where like I turns out, I don't know we can get up by contract like I'm getting tired I ain't tied Abud don't get it twisted. I'm tired of Bob shouted he seemed like he the the Goddamn common. Dominating the Asian tired care, Bro all I wanted some boxes, my favorite boxer, the fucking box. All care is Russell Care for guiding them keys all care who it is, but I do WanNa see don't fight some talent but God. Damn. Bob. fucking it up man so everybody would have little bird. Tim Joe is all cool I ain't. Never, bother me come around buds and end, but at the same time shower but misses I mean Goddamn Bob fucking this up human language BOB IS A. Niche you need to call me by my colleague. We need to know was Craig. I love same boxing fans. You see he say man, you know I feel like like like he just repented. You know what I'm saying in allow like the boxing God's into his heart and that was him speak in the box and Gospel he just wants to see his favorite fighter fight. That's all he just wants to see his favorite fighter fight. In. Enemy all that other than that. You know and that's what we talk about like we at the point finally with the other side, the quote unquote at eight. And that what they say well, they call jar. And you shoot and should down Oh man they do they. I plan dot com with Keefe except he keep flying in front of them. Yo. Majed Orlando you must be proud. You must be proud man what's going on chat. Everybody liked the video subscribe to the channel enjoy off the something anything but A Mad Shit like we need to give Bob one this fall. This see was going on because he the charities out there capping or fucking. Excuse my language, Bob era main doing something for him. You know he got a long Shaneco to fight Tyson fury come on man do something for charity because he got us all out here g them back to making that noise or whatever. So I even trying to hear that he duck and he bluffing him none of that. You know with that contract paperwork assault isn't it? The ball nate? They're going to have to show some but that's all ago. Another. Same Boxing Fan real quick. Just want to remind everybody defense, AC- picked him league. Picks are out rather fantasy, pick them league posts or out go make your picks. Go make your picks remember this week's fights are. And the leaderboard is out to go see what position you're in I'm in second wherever you wherever you nauseous him, I where you Are Right Delia white versus Alexander PEVEC in twelve round fight is on a fantasy league patriot dot com for its last box voice, Katie Taylor, versus delfin per soon for the WBZ WBAL WB and the IBF titles. Input Ibo but I that's also on the pick them. League. Luther Cray welts away could eventually be Terence Crawford opponent if he wins this fight. Or Chris Congo could be. The I'm going with Chris. Cargo shot out to the UK Oh. League. Why are you saying you picks one second just had to secondly, why are you picking with your heart? You only picking them because coach mid you ain't even know Congo. Anyway. I'm picking it because coach Midi see something in his guy. Too. So listen you gotTa make your pick on a fantasy bedroom Lee. EPHEDRA UP Fantasy Peckham League. For that, we also are featuring Jack, cullen versus Zaki chilly. And Yeah. He's on their super middleweight's elderly Alvarez versus Joe Smith is back also made it to the fantasy pick 'em League Julian Rodriguez New Jersey's zone top rank. Welterweight. Junior welterweight. Excuse me. He's fighting and he made it to the leak, our good friend and patriot. The only the only fight I know that's patriots or at least the only fight of the didn't change his name and really reps. every time we interview says he's proud to be a patron Robert Brent. Robina. Robert Brandt, woulda what up terrence if you're listening. stablemate. Wants to financially support the wellbeing of this podcast to ensure that sticks around. Your trainer was just song. Jamal Hair chip in your kid that one and your stable. He was on. I think it's Tom Champ. Come on. Nets where's the belly and you get twenty body shots? Hey, colleague. Klay Cloud collared the prospect killer. He's back. He's on the pick them league. And able Saudi I know on a pick em league. Sean Port, versus for Mela, on the pick 'em league brandon said he getting for Miller? Column Pick and then Sebastian foreign dude versus. Nathan. Gallimore is gallimore get upset. You know he was trying a little bit. From. Bill Tall. Go make your pick. Go make your pig supermax on a super chaz says. This is why I rate Loma pound for pound higher than Bud. He's at least fighting top guys not living off the test top-ranked guy say fighter real once it. Happens you know what else did. You know what the unlike but he say you'll don't pandemic Gimme my money he said I'm getting three get his kid a little bit more. We could get them up in the rain. This let me take that bell from. Now He. Let me shut that boy's mouth and that's what Crawford need to do. Let me shut up Thurman Oh he talking, Oh, his face talking out they think this is the real one. They think he'd a real one. Okay. Let me. Let me do it. I'll see why not? What else you got to do? Better to do right now. In nothing man. This goto. Sony wouldn't. Stop over in. The morning. When is this chant? Man I'm sorry I'm. Bogged down here office on know about the topic you know know you gotta show roller, but I was thinking earlier. You guys had me at the at the height of my. My response. No Tears Crawford by Gary Russell No. I still say I agree with King and I think it was man who somebody while we were talking Gary Russell, day we talk about Keith. Call Him Bob. Trying to get this fight with Crawford Imbaba going to the newspapers talking now they want too much money instead of staying quiet. And being like, Oh, well we. Could. We could we maybe get a little bit more on the back end? Can we could? We maybe think about doing it pay per view? Maybe as KIEF. Okay. With forty, five, six, hundred, fifty, five, maybe sixty forty can we negotiate? Nah In less than twenty four hours in this killed in the media. That's what we talk about now Gabby because you know why we ain't until my GEICO's tense Crawford sister said that that's So. So since we ain't got no quotes from Bob saying that he did receive a gary off of, but we do got one from Bob saying. Thurmond's team did contact them the to negotiate about the Crawford fight. That's what we talking about. Come. Back. Come. Back to Boomerang. YOU GOTTA chant Steve Chicago. Hala Would a do when these Montana McKay town. Hey Daddy this dull. Change. Still. No more. G. Really beginning this narrative at his. Brother came on here man and told you the trainer told you. They're not interested what? Keep beating a dead horse here. Why are you? Are you pushing this I I don't get it. Posted, he got out to call Bob. That's why it's. It's totally different. Thank. Kansas. For when did you ever hear someone say signed? A contract on I gina sounds like somebody hearn bullshit. Noman. Don't Shit like. But what about? What about Bob saying Keith's team contacted him about the fight. It's real Steve This is real and do they. Question, he called them. Will make knowledge this. He told you they don't would. That's the trainers ain't promoter. That ain't the promoter. We'll see we'll see we'll Siasi when I believe it. I don't know what else is to believe. I'm not saying the fight is happening I'm saying Keith. Thurman. When a step in beyond people like to say the fighters cloud chasing in the media and they only WanNa they only want to use this to get their name he owned. He had either AL or Sylvia call. He said, it clearly keeps team called me about the corporate fight night the article is out. I don't understand why people in denial articles did. Stone. Talk to us. What a What? She. Yeah Man I. I was keep would have made this call before them pandemic when they know the money there. I listen I'll I want that fight I'll take you. Might not want but that's just another `nother scalp on clay. But realistically across the street fight went numbers like you said Tax Bob like what number was the act like if we talk and he accent Tim million dollars when making ten million dollars where they going to do twenty million dollars with no crowd no revenue northgate nobody acts. Weenie Time But The argument should be, why is Bob shooting down instead of negotiating the way you have called in the past saying when Danny got that three million dollar why he ain't negotiate here they are now. Because he had options and we see he got up since he bought the gopher the. The difference is when he made a offer to Danny, you could do a full pack stadium wherever. So when we're talking about just looking straight numbers when ESPN put up a certain amount of money for love and tank verse a female that's less than. minimum offered him guys total. Debt total amount of money that they said was that fight both purses is less than minimum. So if he gonNA take minimal, you gotta figure out what keeps going to take for that fight. So look he's GonNa fight in November fourteen knockout. This do Kief we find soon as we crowd Keith and blood what March when the crowd is GonNa be bad. March. I just don't see it happening with no crowd. Hard. For me to see that only pay per view. Would sustain the type of money that maybe she. Stalled on why does can't be faked view if if if? Wow the fury be pay per view. You understand what I'm saying like they was put Loma and t o on pay per view, and this is the simplest formula here. Do me. CRAWFORD'S WAY MORE POPULAR THAN Loma and Kief his way more popular than Theo. So that's that formula main sense. You know what I may like I don't I don't get it like they don't need crowd for this. Put It on pay per view. Let's get it done. TRAIN OBEY TALK TO US Just listening. Once. I'm here I'm here I'm here. I I missed. I missed most of the show man so so So what's his name. Burn them offer. Negotiations as. An offer he called them. So they could negotiate a and Bob came back and said in the media instead of staying private says, Oh, the they accent for a crazy amount of money that they think that the Tom saw the same that the Tom's ain't the same. No more. So basically, he's saying what keep his accent for is old offer before the pandemic Oh. Won't while we just don't make for next year like stones and say, March but should March? Because I mean probably GonNa find this year anyway and he said he would have taken. Because ki-so say he gave but Asa Merry Christmas. So he ate is so cute. They're trying to get it done this she trying to push it back. You know what? I'm saying because guess what? Guess was gained under the guest was gained on dishing out of here. No Buts Anal fucking money for that why al found money for Danny of fucking Earl but these butts and his I. I Know. We can't do keep keeping y'all. y'All. Why do this before the pandemic but Danny he on pay per view lens nuts hang earlier lend is nut saying. You back in back into do with a little baby nuts. You know. This. Shiver breath. I think obviously, they should have no she eight-man. Tyson. Paper view date I just don't get it why they're not telling the truth from todd of the buff Islam why not telling the truth a Quiz well to fury back though you want that's what I say and I know they say. They say. They say. They say until the end of the year and go and we'll allow to fight they say end of the year I don't think they're gonNA let. Them Man. Might be right. You might be right. Maybe. See much money to lose. I want. To. Pick. Up. The. Phone. I mean listen listen listen trae. Bob Saying. Oh, we can't do this five right now I'm saying it on pay per view, right? Bob Bob, only may two hundred thousand pay per views with two Crawford pay per view fights fit the on one hundred and fifty on other i. You tell me right now as a fan been watching have been watching the. Keeping Budde do more than two hundred, thousand pounds. I think they do and I think that's a good fight man I wanna see it. There you go. I mean is. This shit only. Next trae. Let me get to Boomerang J.. Matt. Gets Dumbo Marco. Stone. What what? J. Like, yeah like all the end I'm not saying that. Nobody I. I didn't. It didn't come out of my mouth to say that I want to fight. Did I say that? I say. To fight, but you say is the wrong time. When you know we could do a Don. List I'll be real what what is Danny Garcia Person Danny? Garcia make a million dollars to fight. He paid less money to tear female pairs when he fight early Finn. Asks if you believe that I'm just and talk to run out. Danny makers last breath. What was what was the purse for some Puerto Versus Daddy? Versus Earl Spencer purses listen I am talking about back. Anytime about mysterious checks anytime. Purses okay. was. I don't know stone bone. I'M GONNA. Let you get your new. Talking about. Access for ten million dollars a such as we don't even know the number how about we know number see what it is, and then we can make a definitive decision as. Cool. Listen. The issue is you say how about know a number? Let's be realistic. We will never know a number Bob knows the number. Okay. He knows all the numbers. Okay. You sit in here. And as my pick for call of the year, going love on the call to insinuate the Danny's making a million dollars. Not. Not. Not just take a look at this logic, right because they need facts these birds, right they want. They always want to find out what a PBC fighters, making these dudes or desperately living inside the pockets of every hour aiming fighter. They get so upset that their bank is in publicized the way coffered and fury's is right. But let me ask you why is it that the guys that are sign? On that side of the street of the ones doing the lawsuits in the crying in the media I've never seen Danny say I'm not taking the million dollars to unify earl guess. Wa. Because we know it ain't a million dollars but guess just did not want to unify for million dollars t a female who we signed to top rank. Let's do some history here. Fighters left Al One. What's his name Andre? Derail Back. Absolutely. How many other fighters left Al Jamal Hammering is he back? No but he's Ching he's happy. That's it. That's it. Let's keep checking though how many fighters left top brain. Oscar. Floyd. Kodo. Who Else? Who Else? Gombola Manuel Lopez Excuse me Mandy Marquez who else? Who Else? Like let's start this wack narrative. You guys are grabbing Astros in this is this is your desperation for defending an entity because you can be Liz low and blame it on. Bob You can be like glitz low and toyotas say Yo, that's it. I'm tired I'm tired of making up lies. It's this guy the same guy it's the same God that didn't want back out to fight floyd where was floyd Al Hayman what did floyd offer pack Yale Forty. Million guaranteed. They said? No. Okay. Okay did pack up and get more year. But let's start acting like floyd incentive offer. Let's acting like Al don't send offers like let's backing out. Don't try to make the biggest fights. Why are we doing this while we in denial for one boxing one boxer like we in denial Crazy to me the next person lows only because Muniz. HR. Lethal the end song bureaus. He says the only millions that Charles has our lice. He's crazy those those those are millionaires. and. This is what I'm saying look look. What's Charles Getting on paper but he's he's yelling at his own brother that he's making more money than. He's got a more expensive house than them, but but stone bone wants to come on here because he's he's he's upset at but in his team, he's upset at era and he's got no other way to defend them. So he's got a now he's got now deface or or dumb down or or. Or White. PBC fighters would they merged with. Komo now, dog I. Don't see them complaining about money I see them in land bows poppy legal Santa. Cruz got a collection lamposts Mikey got a collection daime got the Lambeau. I don't see. Wilder gotTA. gator skin liberal I don't see nobody complaining. I don't CTO female Lopez happening I. Don't see Kota Walking or ask a walking floyd walking again, boa walk in and the list goes on and on I don't see that happening. So stop capping all because of one fighter is bigger than just bud it's okay to blame it on. Bob. But don't do that donut hole. Daddy they the pay per view ns because Danny taking like bro or you really box fast. You really about man you really think Danny is fighting earl for two belts on pay per view on Fox for less than a million he said. Come on. That's how desperate you ought to prop Buddah. Wowing, for respect. You. Like listen you that delusional to defend someone you gotta step back like you really saying today Dame's making a million to fight earl on paper view. He didn't even try to say this is because they guarantee Mammalian but he making back in no Gammy fucking Garcia multiple division champion. His sisters? On on TV like my main, I just brought someone who tells you what people are he seeing Danny making a million but my main just came on the show as it gets said, the Charles make two million of social media. He's saying Danny the fight earl for two belts for million Yom I'm done man I'm done the liser talked to. Him. Perfectly, you too can too much now. I did you hit an interview? Did you read the Article? I I don't want to. Talk about facts you WanNa, make up some shit. Is In my career is If you want the topic out. I will crew allowed. It don't finey the champions because of our guys because Crawford went to aerospace's face instead wanting to fight but you guys don't WanNa if that was if I went up to begin to fight you know what would have been talking about that for six years or when Crawford does it you WanNa Brush said Crawford Standard next year don't Fi- anyone until you get a big file out that's why I'm going to do because dotting saying different. Let's see. You are finished. Okay. Government seven seconds. When families belt? That's when that's when the Fire Mountain and I'm giving you extra time you want it. Right. So you accepted the terms, this is my question. We're going to test him right now check the barometer he used the wild example I. Love it because this is how I get him off the office voice are nowhere got him. He used while the the example we're going to keep using whilst as the example in his example state don't you Elijah and his example for those that can't catch on quickly wilder is allegedly Crawford. He wants Crawford to do what allegedly wow did which is not fight anyone until you get the shot. So here's the tests drum roll DUMI. Elisa who is Luis Ortiz on terrence but Crawford's resume. All Tees Open. Medication Guy Thank you you loss you lost your fucking boxing. Fan You. You you. You Ain't no real box. If everyone we interview fighter trainer manager Sam Jones Dough matter who don't matter who? Still. Say Luis Ortiz is dangerous but you're bass. Get your. Your lack of boxing knowledge because you were AJ fan boy. You Week. Aj the TUB that was you that was you. That's why you said what you said 'cause you AJ in the tub you ain't over boxing fan you ain't no real boxing fan and until somebody can show me who is loose ot's on Crawford's resume. Don't you dare? US Wilder as the example, 'cause while the wanted the real fight while. It. Twelve point five million dollars flat seventeen point five, million dollars flat. He wanted to fight. I'll see crop doing that Crawford saying I ain't taking pay cuts. So let's stop and it was the last caller I'm good. We're. Going to the Super Barrett Lloyd. bodybags. season. bodybags season, you gave him a reason jared Loyd says the Bum Lord and Savior Terence Crawford is losing his cult following. Keith pulling his card and Father Bob is sweating bullets. And then we got a couple of more got one coming in from a big super mech says all of a sudden but fans talking sides of St. No they said, it don't exist. Now it exists today. Mind you this tweet that I'm a screen share again from Crawford in April, you know talking to my shut your West's You find a way not to get out. Yeah. It looks like Bob found a way to get out. Looks like Bob Fountain Get out there goes this was offer still no offer Keith since April. Since April no Africa. So keep it got on a Brian custer interview. Let the world know what he was coming with got on the phone with Al. so outta go do what you need to do and what else he doing an interview with custer. He let you know that when he tell I'll give me a fight out tell them yes or no Okay, he say, no about Crawford he went to do it. They contacted him. You're promoter Bob Arum has acknowledged it and thereby keep axing s why don't get Bob Board I don't know sign must have happened on our last interview. We did because you know they made me go to a publicist now and you know what that interview would be like. The interview would be like. So his publicist knows first of all, look up the word publicity what their job is the job is to keep guys like me away from guys like Bob because I am going to say why the fuck would you go in the media and say this and this, and that instead of staying quiet and try to settle it trying to find a way to make it happen a publicist. They don't want responsible for publicizing product person or company. You know they don't want the truth. They don't want the truth Kazan hikes boxing experts says, story Blando the pay per view. Number Necessary Seato. said. I'm talking about the pay per view numbers ness necessarily though that's the SECO. Does, wallpaper numbers though it was his last. Let me see. Only because John is all. When he was talking about the the Peo-, WHO's the host? It was for the to boxing expert shot out the see Rama's big super mags, Javid Loy Ken. Was that Canton. Canton one Dan, we got a few more just came in from roughhouse. House box TV. Says Cash I'm calling you out publicly require all the smoke the Batman coming. Run. Little children all Hail silverback all hail ECP Y'ALL KAZ. CAZ instructing me to get him. Let me hit up. Egypt. He say he won't eat so I mean. So rough is we'll see what those guys say if they don't take them then you know we gotta, we gotta go down the line we can do, but that's who we want. You know he on a side. So I gotta try and get him what he wants. I. So let me Iverson had casual easy was untitled talking and talking a few things about bikes by the he filling themselves now man he's like a a a new casual easy. Referred to him as the Tevin farmer boxing bars you know now he coming back strong probably going to get a title man oh no casualties. roughhouse out. Candy Canes they look another another another another but tendon denial. What did KIEF in. Offer. Bud Crickets. They literally called. So make the fight they into Nihil. They don't want the facts shutout, keep fighting man site I'll keep you killing them softly. offered. Gillingham, they saw bent up today. They mad. That's Oh damn Sony Boomerang. Some. Intrigue to I. Don't know if you saw the. One that? was. On. TV peaking we do we do we do. Sorry about that earlier to get my thoughts together, I was in middle. Mike. The thousand things at once young so. Posting earlier at the start to show when you guys had started was that in my pain is only by paying but I think the key is a good talker. Keep their us. Said I think it was yesterday Keith term. He got a lot of what you wanted to see out of Floyd Keith Thurman has a lot of what you wanted to out of floor as far as like correct on charisma in the fight gang. And Keep Thurman with this whole Crawford. He sells like Maurice, sleep I don't know what what it is but I Think somebody's GONNA come into. One of his is the girl that yoke there shut the. Fight Know Sony, Sony, Sony, why are you being disrespectful when you know Bob said Keith's team Coldham a twenty one this morning article drought-like they so mad is out. Look if I if I could just finish by call, you know you get more than more than enough time 'cause I. Love Seeing. Leaps. I love seeing bud tenders squirm look at Brandon decided not to call Lynn. decided not to go Hilario cut my com don't come dot com and you'll let me just get this out. Let me just get this out. Yeah. So Air I don't even disagree with what Aaron said air is basically said, well, we are is a frequent pandemic and as you are, you are full of your list. Aero. Everybody knows that Aaron was China push that wilder in theory trilogy two, thousand and one because they're waiting to see the money in the fans could be there at that time. So if he's going to do the accuracy why he's going to He's thinking Crawford I can see why he's doing that. So I don't either take I don't even disagreed with what Aaron said on Instagram and that's why I thought. Gary Russell Joe, you guys have mentioned in the show that. These dudes are you know? The system has abused the box fan so much that they're used to this the doors open like caged animals, right the gates open, but we don't believe in we believe that the the gatekeepers, GonNa. US beat US and we won't walk out with the gate wide. Open Bob. Literally said. Aim doing it. He shut the fight down. He took to the media like that's the nail in the coffin. Stay quiet. Find A way. No comment know exactly but it's all good Joan. A Super Chess says ness can you at least try to get Bob a yo? It's hard man when they could I could I could go to heaven I can go to but this story is going to die down. It doesn't feel like before where I would just text him and call them like I gotta go through the publicist and you know I'm really enjoying that it's We it was a direct connection I think. They smelled the danger. Look, which is crazy because if you remember that last interview, it was so good jam Bob always comes. Up for like in seven different ways because it was so good i. think that was in April we were talking bud we were talking him smoking we talked am by, but I meant bud bud not buddy terrence and you know we talk Thurman Too. So you know it was back in April when all this was hot with Thurman and I was able to get them back on and that's probably was the problem. Because remember when I got him on what did he say look think man y'all GonNa say, Oh, narratives a thinker when we had a mill in April what happened Oh love Terence Crawford versus Jamal I mean Djamil terrorist probably in Beaumont Pike. The fuck is wrong with you. You want me to go up the fifty four to fight that killer. Now don't be saying that you like that fight on on the radio. What else did he say? Oh I like Patrick Syria. was like good fights Keith Thurman versus. Bud is a great fight that. That's what he said, and then all of a sudden kief Ain't good. Now offer loss when he was on his show, keep was good. Jamal was good tech Syria was good. Burke just cheaper. When he was on the show, he said, he don't even want Brooke. But yet wondering why don't get him because he said the wrong things he went against the grain. He said, well, he once opposed to say Jamal Crawford Ain't supposed to be a good fight and neither is Crawford versus. Terminate supposed to be a good. We gotTA, make excuses. That's what that was supposed to be, and that's why I don't get them no more. You think about it go back and listen to the last interview. 'cause we ain't do nothing disrespectful now than that interview was so gold we. Victory. That's right Jimmy right even likes Ecole versus Gary. So so this is me, this is all hypothetical, but what could happen to buff could hurt it and been like no, that's it. Evan. Make sure. He doesn't answer nest the Bat and everything goes through you because they've even asked for the questions. Like. They filled romy dog like you know what it is. Everything we asked it was good like, yeah why you don't make Gary Ryshenkov that's. Why you'll make Crawford versus well, that's great. Fight Wyoming. Thurman. Versus grave grave he got in trouble. He got in trouble. You won't believe me I'll. I. Don't even believe me I'm just saying that's a hypothetical. That's a maybe but you heard the interview I did nothing wrong to begin someone in between me now so fill me it is what it is. It is what it is. One you gotta remember. My my my relationship was good with Eddie to until we didn't see OUTTA. So. When I when I realized you duck and welder? Me and Eddie wasn't friends no more because he knows I'm against some. Now I'm against in his odds I'm against his company and maybe someone on the outside on top bring is like Oh, this dude is coming at Crawford. And then he's he's got a relationship with our CEO. And he's getting priceless information from them. which is not making the fighters good. Maybe I don't I don't know again or hypothetical hypothetical but as GTO instagram and twitter piece. And let me just get to the Super Chat Boston Jared says, how do we know Bob going public is an association tactic. We've Seen Peo- and Ryan do the same thing. But that's what I said. It is a negotiation tactics when you take to the media to say someone's price themself out, it means that's it. Negotiators are dead. So the fight can't happen. It's totally negotiation tactic. That's the point. That's the point. Negotiations men, and that's what I said man when you first came up with that. Topic and I'm like man this is just the beginning man. I don't know how Crawford runs from this I. Don't know about that date that. You know. The born they saying born is ready stop saying you think I'm forgetting you always say yo you ain't get to me I'll be calling ya Ya. Don't be ready. You know I went to King born I ain't forget I never leave a man behind. Played. INTRO. Word. Born. Young we noticed. Ness me talking about this out talk. Some shit we need to watch. You take. Kids. That's your man. Time. Do you can't do expect to hear the ways. List remain. Do know what it is but keep Durham where the money yet. Keeping, charter flight crew off for three or four meal for more. While we legislate you out. The. Segment the Hawking you protect that. This Way. Attacking. Kit. With money. At NASA. No dumber Senate across his. Wisdom money third. Cozy. The wrong reason why I'm saying that taking sides could. Still busy. Won't you our the money for Danny Garcia vs Earl that on paper? No comment. did Ain't got no comment on that? Chizzy like style where the money from all of a sudden bud tenders became accountants. Financial advisers these became they will you got the CPA now? All of a sudden, all of buds and is talking about iota money the money they know all about the economy now air forensic accounting assist. Hair. My became a marketing strategist right now. y'All Larry Ismay man got you are. Making. Crazy excuses. be He got you making crazy excuses of chew man you got to stop got somebody got to die. I got you got to go. A. Sony. Teams. Right. ENGRAVED IN ATLANTA A. Man I know. You to breathe with all the laughing you doing. It really like I said today. So really no defense. That's why didn't he wasn't gonNA call in it's not really need to say I mean everything is art have been said is no defense floor with bullets team is doing, and then now I'm hearing folks talking about it said Well Darb is not a pay per view star on. Thurman is not going to be any money so that fight a, he's not a senator he now he's not a draw. CREIGHTON instead Is. Ridiculous this face reality light. which I rather see verse brew or Crawford Bursts Norman and this deal with a dead stop talking about what's in this do pockets was. Just say you want to see that fight until top rank on what whoever you nominate blood in the team Donaldson, Y'all WanNa, see that stop soon as we bring the fight you start coming over one hundred one excuses whitest fight can have in with dunk to fight in the pairs of term, it drives a Prius term all this stuff that don't matter man stupid man. Now. Bring up the previous chair. He got pony tail he he's. He's this man. Monday has to do with making the fight with Crawford. Me Is getting really weird about is giving real. Weird. That's like. Victory? Yo Real quick map. Bet on the super says, but tenders Equal AG protectors. You similar. But some of the movie you see who came out AJ protect came out to say now let them do a while did. I love birds shows. Joe Do get into today acting they wanna get their acting career when bud topic Friday they hilarious. But Listen Mendez GTO INSTAGRAM and twitter catch us on the next one. What's today Tuesday today's Tuesday. Bill. What. Are We picking I gotTA check. But we always pick something though because fights happen what's happening this week. What's. The money fight? The money this week. Check it out, go to the board where the money yet where the money where the winning money at the beginning of the money. Is Show is back Friday fifteen up. To be part of it, but is beaten odds with T.. V.. We're going to begin this don't together. So want to join us on beating. The is not be you gotta sign up paid three on to be part of it but. There's a lot happening is we sebastian form versus porter? Union main some fights with money ad though is for Mela an underdog. Do you really think he'd be employed I ain't going? Well, we know we know we know the money's on that fight, but I ain't GonNa tell you Friday have. You know I mean according to Brandon Brandon thinks he's GonNa win by decision though he said he he did not anything ampoules in how he did say. He feel don't he won't be surprised and upset he likes the way the formula boxes that being said even Sergio Martinez is back this week. On a twenty. First Espana. Athena. Alvarez's back. He's taken on Joe Smith. That's a fight I. wonder what the odds on that find find out. Friday we got the odds every fight beating TV is back and it's totally different than in the past and the past the problem always was the we didn't have a betting site had every single, but now we do. So there's always gonna be a show no matter what and it's always going to be what look like the poll. Let me check the PO PO poll. Poll. Call you pull. Mass. Zidan betting show poll. The Patriots Amelia chose ten Jamie said Puerto by stoppage. We're GONNA talk about it on Friday for Albie M Five PM. Sixty percent of our voters chose five PM eastern time for the wedding show works for me catch US Friday for the betting show beating the odds with TV where you get to make some bread together with us and you know it's not about like today it's not about like, oh bud Keith No. Real breakdown, who's GonNa Fight Sippy who's GonNa win how could we make that bread? With his legal little money spent possible. It's like we got a late. Sign on hair. Ladies and gentlemen. Young fellow. He comes from. Do go with goodness dipping. You know sound knowing later. So the topic so I knew it was going to be a fly your show a so on me give it a real jail like how to show Webre was a bunch of. Spells silence a ladder size from the bud. Because the. They hated they worst nightmare came in life and our actually called Bob and then it wasn't just. It wasn't just saying Y'all my team called his team Nah Bob already did Oughta go to drop eight twenty one this morning confirming that Thurmond's team called the. So he knew that said the walls was closing. So he said Yoda price themselves out they want way too much money during a pandemic. Also net. New We. Five Sale. As old. had. All know he's stepping. is now. Come. Let me. Let me ask you questions. Let me ask you. Who actually question? Would term not be the biggest name on Crawford's resume of they fight. While flow. while. Thermal fight. We gotta push with a fight your they WANNA fight. Brooke Butts Does WanNa see Crawford Fi Brooke come down from suzy fool's said. The Bro Fight, and bigger darn fight. That would you tell that's what they told me bartenders. Now man. I got I do's on a bad call. We. Say. Thermos true. We gotTA. Make. No don't even say that because it ain't therm said, no, Moore's were Bob said Bob said they call them. They Call Them Without saying like it when I, get on a bag calling with telling me that by the nudie talking about that's now bob. Company I listened to you if you want to have a real conversation with above fan than just you know skype leads low he he saying he understand Bob. Holding. It up he he's seeing. The same thing we seem when Bob WanNa make the pet gal fight like we see that. Right right right right yeah. The. Do. Not Call about to be on the bank call ground. You're already knew what I meant. Next August saying Grayer Body Chad you pray for me earn in. This man. You could only take a horse to the water and don't even kill yourself if they. If you see them, the knives getting thrown at, you just just walk out man you ain't got. You Ain't got to lose your life for trying to bring a bud light to the light. Oh. I can't even. I'm trying to see. Ten that Congo Klay fight tie. You looking at a while impersonal. Dromey Friday. Join me, Friday. DB Eggs where you add join me fries. 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