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Words On Water #184: Jamie Eichenberger on the Need for Water Infrastructure Funding
"The word art welcome to words on water a podcast from the water environment federation. This is the host travis loop delighted to be joined by jamie eichenberger. He is the president-elect of the board of trustees and also an associate vice president at hdr jamie. Thanks for coming on the podcast. And you travis. Happy to be here. We're gonna talk about infrastructure funding for this episode The water environment federation the board recently issued a position statement on infrastructure funding dive into that And one of the things that starts with i think is defining what the problem is with infrastructure funding. What what's going on. What what's the problem with the current status and landscape around funding of water infrastructure. Sure well travis is you know and I'm sure all Listeners are very aware of. We've spent trillions of dollars over the years on building a really strong backbone of infrastructure for water wastewater stormwater on across the united states and we continue to invest in infrastructure. But a lot of it seems to be focused on the growth addressing new regulatory changes. And we haven't necessarily put aside as much money to maintain that existing investment in the bills coming due a lot of our pipes or two hundred plus years old Across the country The aging aging infrastructure at our treatment facilities are reservoirs so the big needs for funding across the board and without increasing that funding will start to see service failures. So was i mean in real life. Well we may have some public health impacts were we may have fish kills and other environmental impacts. And so as as we're we're thinking about how to address those we know. The investment one of the issues is just limited funding as important as the water sector is. There's a lot of other competing. Funding priorities are cities and communities. And when things we found is unfortunately some of the communities that are most severely harmed by this underfunding tend to be are disadvantaged communities are historically underserved communities on tribal rural intercity and so there's a real social justice in equity issue tied in all this too so We recognize the need to increase on nigger across the board and are just a exploring a lot in different ways and how to achieve that. I know that. I've i think i've seen statistics about federal contribution to water infrastructure. You know used to be a pretty significant portion sixty percent seventy percent of of the money that went into it and now it's down to maybe around. Seven percent of the water infrastructure funding comes from the federal government so There's definitely a need there. Kate grant program. Days are long behind us. yeah it's time to go and again. So what. what is the water environment federation seeking. What are we calling for to address these problems. Sure so one of the things that we're looking at is recognized. This isn't just a problem. In the united states this is a global issue and national. Governments are are around. The world really need to look at how they can substantially increase the direct funding in finance assistance for water infrastructure. So just putting more money to the problem. That's that's number one But beyond that we also make sure that our state or provincial level governments are also taking full advantage of the funding resources that are available and putting some of the also Administrative in place to make sure that we're getting the most use out of Out of the funding is available In in the united states as an example State revolving fund organizations can unbundle a lot of projects together and go through the with ya mechanism at the federal level to get additional funding to support those state and local projects. So making sure that those The regional governments are aware of those programs and opportunities and their Trained up in doing the most. They can do to leverage the all the federal funding opportunities that are coming down an additional. I think there's a recognition that we probably have mortgage than we have resources to pay for so making sure that Both at the at the national level and also state provincial level that we have some regulatory flexibility and some some technical cooperation to be able to facilitate innovative infrastructure financing. Approach is absurd. Can't keep doing things we've been doing doing that. His ladders just fall further behind so providing some flexibility there to allow us to again make the most apple limited resources from do have and then we also want to make sure that all levels of government down to the local level And the stakeholders the utilities of you know. The consultants and the other members are water sector increase their understanding of some of these innovative water stretcher funding financing urges So how can we leverage. It's private private public partnerships and things like that To offset some constant improvements away from the repairs And help bring in some of those leveraged financing. Stay ramon fun with ya Those are becoming standard at this point but making sure that they fully understand. What the long-term constant backs those are and then all at one into making sure that people understand effective asset management so were getting the most useful life out of our existing vestments that we can You know shooting for that just in time replacement so we are Repairing things before we need to were also not waiting until after they fail. It may cost three four times the cost if we'd been practiced by it and then the final. The final item did his come up and some these discussions is really making sure. The funds that we collect from our water utility ratepayers are preserved for water infrastructure investments Again a lot a lot of competing interests or the limited funding that's available so we wanna make sure that the funds that are collected especially for building up cash reserves for some You know the building up that piggybacking for some future investments. We know need. We make sure those. Don't get siphoned off for other projects within a city or county or another organization. A you made a number of critical points that that point to the idea that this is not just about getting bigger checks from the federal government. This is about being smarter with the funds that are. They're looking for innovative ways to use funds and doing a lot of education across the board on on ways to do all of that. So it's it's not just looking for a check. That's that's a big part of it. But it's it's a paying attention to these other these other aspects right right and i will just reemphasized. We would like to see more federal investment so that the getting that bigger check is probably top of the list or recognizing that regardless of the size of the jack ill-trained never be big enough to address all the apps that yet right now so we duty to think about ways beyond beyond just federal funding. There's been a lot of news recently. from the white house and congress about infrastructure proposal and what that might look like There's some pretty big figures out there when it comes to water Want to get your thoughts on. What the what's being proposed there in in washington and What west might be seeking out of that drives. I'm really excited about this. I you know president by demand with the back. Better plan And as part of that he's pulled together an infrastructure package proposal at this point but there's one hundred and eleven billion dollars in there or water wastewater and stormwater infrastructure Now let's run out over the next ten years but there that's a that's a healthy chunk of money and a good investment and it's nice to see recognition there that infrastructure goes beyond. Just you know the surface roads bridges things that we could see on breaking down a little bit of that hundred eleven billion forty. Five billion is dedicated to replacing. Lead service lines another ten billion For fast treatment in drinking water so great important Selfishly as as you know the west guy. I'd i'd love to see more dedicated for wastewater and stormwater programs so You know about half of that is taken off. The top for drinking water priorities Those are unimportant and especially some of the ones like lead service. Line replacement those Back to that social justice nachmani issue. We talked about earlier to really important. I'm glad we're putting funding towards these things fixing some of these problems that we all collectively recognized have been issues for awhile and putting some funding towards that but that only leaves fifty-six billion left for other water wastewater and storm water projects so perspective that fifty six billion over the next ten years is a is a healthy investment. Let's humid spent evenly by six billion a year that great however twenty twenty one The omnibus spending bill had about four point seven billion in there. So you know the the Five point six great but it's not on top of the existing funding so that would wrap in some of those existing programs respecting expansions those rear funding and that is a thirty percent increase. so i always. I feel greedy when i started to talk about this because It's never enough. But i think there really is a need for additional investment on top of what we're already say so again. I'm i'm happy to take the thirty percent increase but you know i love to see double And and You know it's not just me. Wanting to my hands. On every dollar. I can for the federal government You know the afc. E does their infrastructure report cards just updated these again for twenty twenty one And we we saw some improvements drinking water guy out a deranged for up to a c. minus Wastewater is still plus unfortunately in stormwater which was just include for the first time Donna d. and stormwater loan you may recall a west completed. Ms four survey in twenty twenty that was highlighting the need for storm water funding and we found an annual funding gap of eight and a half billion per year. So that's that's a hefty chunk of of that remaining bead but it combined drinking water wastewater stormwater. There's an anticipated gap of four hundred thirty four by twenty twenty-nine so over the next. You know eight years were. We're looking at a gap of four hundred thirty four billion and As as massive progressive business infrastructure funding plan is one hundred eleven billion in there. So we're getting you know a little more than a quarter of what we need to help. Address that gap through the rats. We still have a long way to go on that. And of course you know. This is just a proposal at this point. You know. there's a lot that has to happen in in congress To address that proposal change that proposal get something passed so we'll have to see where it ends up right right and Right now you. Know binds proposes plan. But there's no legislative language written to yet you know the the house in the senate are gonna have to come up with their own bills and there's no guarantee that whole pass. I think this is a very popular program. So i'm i'm hopeful that we can get up liberal support behind to be able to do that but that little support doesn't go doesn't come from nowhere it takes all of us Experts in the water community but also just members of our local communities. We are all year old voters for a representative in two senators each state so we all really need to be thinking about how we can reach out and get that that message heard. This is very important. I think infrastructure funding across the board is very important but also keeping in mind that infrastructure package clues a lot or just water sector priorities. Roads and bridges social infrastructure and other things included. And i guarantee you every lobby group for those different sectors is fighting hard to make sure that they're getting the big piece of that pie that they can't so we need to be out there You know being allowed to voice being visible and you know fine hartford for snap highs go forward absolutely will what are what are some ways that you and love to see with and others in the water sector. Go about doing that You know the the good news is we have a lot of great resources within west to help us get our make. Our voice heard So first and foremost. I hope everybody knows about westwater. Advocates pergram But if not It's a grassroots program. So it's intended that we will see all our members. Heck get your friends and family ball down but sign up and it tells you about News alerts with specific legislation That is coming out. We want to support and with a few key strokes You can go in there in your name your home address and it will pop up who your representatives are what their email addresses are and even provide some kind of template language Which you can just forward right along to your elected members of congress at for to to get that input or it gives you the ability to edit it. If you'd like to personalize it adds an additional details to it as well. I remember this for years. And i use it all time and it takes less than two minutes from the time i get email from From maybe half men telling me there's something that we need to be out there in supporting To the time. I have that email sent off to represent a promoter and My my two senators michael bennett. John hickenlooper it's out the door and I i've gotten feedback from all the offices. I've sent it to You know they're busy. Says sometimes it's a little bit of oil plate but being able to participate to fly in over the years to eating some of our congressional staff representatives on big. Do matter those. Those letters have an impact there waiting to hear from their constituents. Or what's really most important to us so we all need to get out there and do that until we have mentioned the fly in unfortunately because did that can be virtual event again but we do have the virtual water week coming up april twenty fifth. May i this year West working with a group of seventeen different partners in the water industry to help elevate. Water is national priority over water week Head of the events. On april fourteenth. There will be a webinar provides guidance on how we can virtually lobby congress effectively in the midst of the ongoing pandemic year. And i'd encourage everyone listening to this. Reach out to your member. Association government affairs committee We wanna make sure that we're coordinating of these visits and we don't have six different people Doing the same message to to are congress members but reach out coordinate that and set up some virtual zoom meetings I've i've found these to be really rewarding over the years. Just getting to understand a little more. How that process works and how much My voice is a voter can mean to my elected representative but how much our collective voice is. The water sector is really important as well. Most of our elected representatives I think recognized how water and sanitation is Not just from the public health and environmental perspectives but economic vitality. There's no job growth if there's no water housing New housing development isn't going in and unless you can find water to water supply and get you know. Get a new sewer line out there to serve the far side so they recognized that without us. There's no growth. there's no economic vitality. I i think our it's good for them to hear from us and just a reminder that we're here as a resource and letting them know what what we feel is most important is experts in our field sure and then along with that webinar neighbor fourteenth april twenty seventh from two to four thirty. Pm eastern really having a virtual zoom in so this is a great way for you to hear directly from uva officials and members of congress on important regulatory and legislative policies are working on a the coming years so I think that's a really great educational opportunity and gives you an idea of where we may need to focus on that advocacy going forward. Now and people can all the details here if they go to to online to water week dot. Us so they can. They can link up. They can see the schedule and get plugged into all of this. Great if you're looking to scientists water advocate if you go to west dot org slash advocacy. There's a link on that website as well and You can sign up and and get involved napper. Well in the last plug. I wanna make you know travis restarted. This talk talking about our infrastructure funding position statement Those those position savings don't come out of a vacuum. We were really closely with our membership on in in you know the the wastewater industry across the country here and so joining committee didn't all and our committee members been working with really hard of last few years to update our position statements. A whole slew of topics and a lot of these are high priorities in the church funding planet so water stretcher funding position statement big got Issued in february we are. We've just wrapped up our climate change position statement and that's going to the board year next week for a springboard meeting for approval Then we have a other statements roundings kief s What are the impacts on wastewater from removing lead from drinking water bio solids water reuse. These statements on our way for you to involved and share your expertise making sure we're hitting all the right talking points as we put them together but then also They're really good background document for you to be able to understand kind of what. The collective industry's position on this. What we're trying to achieve. It really gets down. A bullet point level allows you to more effectively communicate with your elected officials. Antastic while jamie. I think we have given all of the listeners. Here plenty of information that they can use and some and some ways that they can actually use this and that's really what we're trying to do with these position. Statements is to inform people. Give them give the information and then and get them to be part of the effort here that that's so important on these critical issues so i'm grateful for your time and perspective on this. Yeah and if i can make one one last plug it as water professionals i think we all have a real obligation a duty. To educate our elected officials are ratepayers on the boulder bility's to our water wastewater and stormwater infrastructure. We need to be other. Advocating for adequate investment in this without clean water and sanitation or economy can't function or community suffer one thing that's always stuck with me is Under every road. There's three pipes so we've got drinking water. Wastewater stormwater other berry we. We can't see him let alone all the other. Infrastructure and support zimmer treated plants reservoirs pump stations So it's up to us to unburied those. We need to make sure that they're not going. Unnoticed unseen unappreciated And it's a it's easy sell make. There's been research around a bit. Every dollar spent a water infrastructure returns three dollars and economic vitality for every million dollars spent we create sixteen jobs and as we come out of the pandemic in the coming months and we're looking towards that economic recovery infrastructure is really smart investment for the country overall. It'll help us. Create a tana jobs on getting people back to work doing it in a way that supports the public And a lot of ways ordering some of our most vulnerable communities along the way. So i'm really excited about this Renewed focus on infrastructure funding and Can't wait to Can't wait to see it. Move forward fantastic. Will everybody listening. You've got your you've got your information and your marching orders here from from jamie our president-elect it isn't a time of opportunity right now so it is exciting like you said jamie. Thank you so much. Thanks travis word.
CNN 5 Things for May 13, 2021 Morning Edition
"This podcast is brought to you by indeed dot com. Good morning here. Are the five things you need to know. For thursday may thirteenth vaccine has now been recommended for twelve to fifteen year olds in the us. The decision by the d. vaccine advisors merck's a big day. According to the biden administration. A health official said he would be very comfortable urging parents of adolescents. To vaccinate their children he also noted that attention should now turn to getting vaccines authorized for even younger children. President joe biden says he has spoken at length to israeli prime minister. Benjamin netanyahu about the violence erupting between israelis and palestinians. Mr biden expressed confidence. That there would be a quick end to the violence. Saying israel has a right to defend itself when you have thousands of rockets flying into your territory. The president did not mention the palestinians. He has come under pressure this week. From republicans urging him to back israel and progressives who have grown critical of the israeli authorities house republicans voted to remove representative liz cheney from her leadership post after she voted to impeach donald trump. The move sends a message about the republican party's priorities and it's ongoing loyalty to the former president. The other nine republicans who voted to impeach have faced a backlash including the threat of primary challenges and calls to resign. Gas stations in the southeast are running out of gas a. Some people panicked by fuel. The colonial pipeline remains shut for a six day wednesday sparking panic buying that left. Sixty eight percent of gas stations in north carolina without gasoline outages. Were also high in georgia. Virginia and south carolina colonial pipeline. Said last night it is restarting operations. But it will take several days to return to normal and the university of south. Carolina's president has resigned after plagiarizing part of his commencement speech. Bob castle said he was truly sorry and admitted he copied part of a speech by the former head of. Us special forces has long speech was nearly identical to the other and he did not offer any credit. The board of trustees said it has accepted castles resume and will immediately search for a new president. That's all your c. n. n. Five things morning edition for more on these stories and the latest news. You can always visit. Cnn dot com slash five things. If you're using anything other than indeed for your hiring you're wasting your time. Hire great people faster with indeed indeed dot com helps you find quality candidates instantly with indeed instant match indeed searches through the millions of resumes and their database to help show you great candidates instantly get started right now with a free seventy five dollars credit to upgrade your job post at indeed dot com slash. Cnn that's indeed dot com slash cnn offer valid through march thirty first terms and conditions apply.
388 - The Deaf President Now Protest
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Yeah Yeah Yeah you know it. In eighteen sixty four the institution began dispensing college degrees so they're they're college spending. Not just gotTa earn it. It's like trump you right Edward gala debt a hearing not theft man so I'll be using hearing hearing not death may yet so this story oh he's capable of here east capable using a hearing man or a deaf person okay gosh his father Thomas had founded America's first deaf F- school so Edwards President so the first the first president hearing later that year the schools blind students were transferred to school for the blotted Baltimore. Okay we college was renamed a gala gala debt college in Eighteen Ninety four in honor of Thomas in eight nine hundred ten at replaced by hearing man another hearing man President K who served as done nineteen forty five he was he was then succeeded needed by another hearing president quite run a hearing then yeah everyone's hearing a lot of hearing oughta hearing yeah in the nineteen sixties death faculty members spoke up about the disrespect from it administration that was still dominated aided by hearing people right interesting okay so like everything else just like everything else and everything else. They shouldn't be charge. Fuck it out of here on this can't take it anymore. Hearing Hearing University President Edward Merrill took office in nineteen sixty nine he just their concerns by farming the president's council on deafness good so he's trying to counsel a group of faculty who could could bring their concerns of deaf people directly to gala debts president okay. My guess fell on deaf ears. Merrill also pointed many deaf people to important campus positions okay so he's sort of here. I mean Yeah Okay October. Nineteen ninety-three Merrill retired gala that was the country's only liberal arts college for the death but it's still had never had a deaf president weird right and real kicked Dauphin eighteen fifty seven sure so quite a run of the hearing you think at this point somebody would be charged delegate so only a quarter of its trustees were deaf okay. That's the correct response. Yeah I mean I don't I would just okay yeah. No wouldn't you think you would just assume that just that would be how it is. Merrill told the Board of Trustees has replacement should be death great. He's like it is time for a deaf person. BE PRESIDENT OF THIS COLLARED SHIRT FOR DEAF PEOPLE MERRILL THERE was a quote small but powerful click within the board composed primarily members who viewed deafness from a clinical point of view or who had a strong corporate mentality or both we'll call them the Senate so by clinical point of view that means deaf people are broken fix them right okay good right as opposed to just people right as opposed to nuance with each individual. The group spearheaded the hiring of another hearing president good so great. It's all coming together Yep. He only lasted three months and then he resigned K.. Jane Spillman bold move would be to just be like I'm going to become deaf. Oh my God that's how he was really then. You're the king care yes Jane Spillman the hearing Chairman of the Board of trustees set in his statement. There were things that bothered board members and it was a poor match and that's why he resigned. Okay an interim president was chosen hearing adding another hearing okay. I mean even interim would be great. You could just like you could just be like Oh we have like. Wouldn't that be easy. Just do an inter real quick. Yeah you would think deaf shift then be like Oh back here but we try. It was really great. Hey we'll do it again. Get even give him Jerry Lee. He's a new president. After months. His appointment was made permanent. Okay students and faculty became resentful because the lack of a formal search one alum quote and we felt misled probably find it like the new Dalai Lama baby in the hills and you away which way to smoke billows. That's right and they're like here's the new that's exactly how the president longs he's not right. Yes Kenny here air. Yes he's hearing okay great then it is for sure if he was depth that it's the baby next door. That's right quote we felt miss. spillman pulled a fast one to get her boy Jerry. Lee selected without really going through the through the process jeff staffer quote spillman enjoyed doing things for deaf people not with death deaf people you would never dream of inviting your dog to have dinner with you. That was her attitude. She padded deaf people on the head. Oh Good God God horrible yeah you all anyway. Oh Wash my hand. I got some deaf on it totally as twenty-fourth nineteen eighty-seven eighty seven nine thousand nine hundred ninety seven yeah. Are we going to get a black president before they get a deaf. One President Lee announced he would resign at the end of the year. He'd gotten a new job at Bassett furniture sure natural transition yeah. It was a company owned by the spillman family. Oh okay this is like many government. Yeah really is a Jane spillman quote. Some people might think the chairman of the Board is a Judas for having the president and come to work for her firm. This man is a businessman and it was very obvious that he was going somewhere. Thank God Bassett was able to attract him. I live on people call out exactly what they did. At the beginning you know except people would say this is nepotism. This is not nepotism. It's like obviously nepotism and then she describes nepotism two weeks later on September seventh the President's Council on deafness held a meeting seventy or so people came. It was the first first time hiring a death president was seriously talked about in a public forum at the school. The idea rapidly game gained steam among death staff and faculty sure the trustees former search committee for the new president. The Trustees did five of the eleven members on the the committee were deaf day that is so almost fairly majority voter knocking on the door of a non minority. Six of the members were trustees. Only one was faculty. It was chaired by IBM Executive Philip brave him a trustee. Eh The committee issued a press release saying candidates should have quote a broad and deep knowledge of deafness sure yeah I mean you just take it one more. Step for a little go ahead. What would that you could just be like? We're after death one. Oh No no no no definite no because the person needs to understand deafness right who better to empathize with the plight of hearing impairment than one who is hearing impaired you to on the nose yeah I on the No. I don't see how okay we're all right. Okay okay okay well. We tried we did yes that's right. That's right around for one hundred years right. It's all going well. Yes okay moving up. The committee. Press release also said quote sensitivity to the issues significant to individuals with disabilities may be an accepting adopting alternative one more time because that's a full of bullshit so they said a deep in broad knowledge of deafness yeah and sensitivity to the issue significant to individuals with disabilities may be an acceptable alternative share okay and alternative great so there's already sort of doesn't have to be a little bit deaf right. Oh and knowing American sign language was preferred preferred interesting so communication with these students students was preferred. Could you rather you be able to communicate with this but it's it's not a must. Could you imagine knowing so. It's not a modest. It's you know the truth is sometimes if you just give them a pat on the that's as good as just having a regular conversation. He's a willingness to learn sign languages. All that was needed. That seems seems crazier. You learn on the job that seems crazier than even not knowing. I think this person just doesn't give a shit rather than he'll slowly figure it out and September the National Association for the Death Director wrote a column arguing for a death president in October in an open letter to spillman the which is what I said earlier the the group that <hes> President's Council on deafness at Merrill had created right. I remember that yes from earlier on this one on this podcast from today's thing yeah. We just talked about this one. It was there yeah we were in this one yeah yeah we talked about it on this episode anyway the GonNa find it now boy the P._C._p.. Asked for a new new president of the college to be so sixty seven people applied for the job okay only nine or death interesting not a great start. That's a really bad especially with a board that seems pretty. I guess the search committee narrative down to people okay and let me guess to death. They got a petition demanding a deaf president from two hundred faculty members. Hey on January first nineteen eighty-eight Jerry leave resigned the trustees replaced him they temporary management team of four administrators interesting to whom are deaf okay an English teacher and a graduate student and four others started getting together to discuss the need for a death president. The six men started calling themselves the ducks the 'cause they hung out so much and we're tied together and all that Shit okay. There's a lot of it's not great animals that if you're gonNA say the ducks because you got put your head underwater for a little while and come up with a pack animals yeah there's other pack animals. I think that thinking about duck legs in a row ideal could use as a Lotta punch-ups and we'll talks are also rapes well what can analogies what they're one of the animals that come into play might what I'm supposed to just sit here the whole time wondering okay. I'm just giving you some nature truth. You're not helping this episode dolphins too. I'm more of dolphins. Lady jerked often dolphin at three early February the search was down to six candidates three hearing three death half a real American idol at this point. Not many students were pushing for a deaf president not many okay it was most of the staff and faculty that were like really pushing okay so so the ducks planner rally to change that on March first they sent out a press release but when media found out it would be peaceful they were not interested right well. The media's been consistent for the last year's at least some still wrote about it like Washington Post Senator Bob Dole Vice President George Bush and other politicians wrote in support of death president. I mean if Bob Dole George Bush writing for this right yeah how fucked no progressive and the reason they were doing that is because the federal government pays about seventy five percent of ballots budget okay so the duck started holding planning meetings with undergrads campus groups herbs like the P._D.. Interviewed six semi-finalists so the P. CDs interviewing in their own people at the same time okay they learned none of the three haring candidates that the committee had picked had any experience with deaf people at all interesting interesting so there's <hes> <hes> that's a good sign right now because because it means that the three deaf people that they have just total bullshit. Oh three are the ones that one of those people are going to put in yeah. That's exactly what it yeah. So the only recommended the death candidates imagine the six hanging out on my guy three of them like literally have no way to they'd be like what you're going to be president. Sorry what are you doing. I'm a little confused Avenue right there deaf. I did read that in the pamphlet right anyone money's great. It's like sending me in to run Madagascar Dr Well Dave. We'd all love for you to go there. What the fuck just happen when he doing Mr Well? You're giving your T.. astir with a metal spoon and a Metal Cup it could it could have gone better picking up swirling around what are you. Are you a sommelier. That's not how you do this you can though the promises were podcast. I know look I agree. I I was wrong there. That was the most English thing you've ever done right now my mother's why do I have such a hidden coffee. He's doing something somewhere with t right so so obviously the P._d.. If the three hearing candidates don't have experienced dead people we recommend the deaf people searching no-brainer doesn't give ship the faculty the Senate then endorsed Elizabeth Zinzer. Let me guess hearing Yes yes. How'd you know? I don't know it gets mumbles you. She was a hearing vice chancellor at the University of North Carolina Greensboro on on if every twenty eight the search committee submitted their final three candidates to the board of Trustees King Jordan who was the death dean of Jordan yet. It's I know it's weird name but that's weird name to become come president. You already a King Yeah. He's already king. He's taking them back. Step Yeah. He's GonNa Backstop Total Authority. You're also checks also king of Jordan so you really close to you could probably roll into that country and be like hey what's up King George Jordan table offer to so Jordan was death. He was the Deaf Dean of Gala Debts College of Arts and Sciences K.. Also Harvey Core Song was picked. He was a deaf trustee and end Zinzer the only hearing finalist I'm on Tuesday March I the ducks big protests happened. Two thousand protesters gathered at gala. That's football stadium. They were students faculty staff and members of the local. It'll deaf community death president. Now buttons were distributed so that's like the slogan their death president now. Many speeches were given in support of a death president the group then marched to the vacant residents sense of the university's president and they chanted death president now and sign language and held up the deaf power sign which is one hundred as in a fist and the other held open with the palm over near so there is a huge success it gets all the other students like Oh what's going on right college students yes now students wanted to know why there had never been the death president. Que did now. They're like why the fuck that never happened and so they start demanding one. The Alumni Association asked all members to urge a deaf president behind Dev. I think you're really setting us up to not get a deaf precedent. They're going to have their president. This one ends happily students pitched tents on the law of the administration building. They take posters to the walls including one reading. Hey Zinser go back to where you belong. Gala debt does not need you get lost. It's tough timing for that one but still the next day there's heavy rain but protesters took over street near the school until DC. Police made them leave the next day. They took to the streets again. They didn't blocked traffic but song hung from traffic lights. You know yeah dude you gotTa do the trustees interviewed candidates one final time King Jordan said quote now that the search committee has said to death candidates are qualified. You have an obligation to pick one. I mean you've tubers is one right yeah. Yeah I mean if you don't you're being overtly dish. Wow One hundred protesters held a candlelight vigil outside a trustee quote. It was a small number and the boards reaction was so that's all the opposition. There is some of US laugh. A little fucking just hated purchasers. The reason there was such a small group Regis's because they just thought it's it's two to one they have to at this point. They literally like the Board met at the mayflower hotel on Sunday. A trustee warned them. If the new president was hearing there'd be quote vigorous vocal in possibly even violent opposition yeah but they're all like none of them. Speak Sign Language. They're like what did he just say these croissants. Are you guys. Have these little mini jam in the middle. This was the first time some of the hearing justice learned how intense the students and faculties feelings were. I mean she has the worst. It's just regular yeah. It's normal. It's just oh wait. Why why what I've averted my God? That's not a big decision day. Faculty Staff Students Local Death Community members in media gathered at the school gym for the eight P._M.. Announcement boy at six PM ten of the Fourteen Trustees Steve voted to elect Elizabeth Zinzer president believable why what just because I mean why why is that unbelievable. She's a great candidate yeah. All three deaf trustees voted for King Jordan. Yeah I want President King But many hearing Justice Thought Zinser was quote an academic superstar get gun academic superstar despite the protests they thought they they derelict in their responsibilities. They didn't choose her unbelievable really be true. Is that true. What do they re? I mean is it. Do they really think that no now. I know that's all I need to hear. spillman called in offered Zinser the job she accepted great good. God Damn close it up. It's a good story rates awesome all right. Thank anyone or how do you want to deny. We're just having someone called the gala that P._R.. Office where they're having to be a one of the ducks there irony hurt the news okay he ran to the gym and told the crowd but the board had already taken the awesome step of leaving out flyers that red quote first female president. Oh Wow nice nice smooth smooth devils. I mean well. The guys are out of the protest equation Eighties carry that we no longer longer may one student said she quote found the papers all over the ground. The board decided they wouldn't make the announcement in person but just left papers. It's like I don't WanNa get the shit for trump. A lot of people were depressed. The day after trump got elected this one girl I know and instagram's like you guys. The first lady was an immigrant get on. I don't want this today so after shock war off the crowd gathered outside on Florida Avenue and blocked all six lanes of traffic one hundred people a few angry protesters protest leaders spoke. Someone asked if anyone knew where the trustees were meeting good question I question it was supposed to be a secret but nobody knew the mayflower so soon there was a mad dash for the mayflower rock to lend on them. That's right yeah which was miles away right and they actually started the wrong direction. Andy Washington Post reporter had to tell them to turn around sure just that like spinal tap rock and roll and we have a little bit of comedy yeah well and I mean you are probably so fired up. Oh yeah that you're just like let's go. We gotta take that. We're going to take the west running every direction. Let's go when the crowd arrived at the hotel. The trustees were eating dinner. Oh yes join. They're great words gave my dream. The protesters tried to enter but cops threaten to arrest them. The trustees eventually invited one of the ducks one of you may come in student didn't party President Hickok and another student inside for meeting K.. Spillman said the decision was non-negotiable. Oh here's schist the war yes. She's the worst quote. Zinser has a good attitude. You just give her time. Your feelings go in a few days. I guess that sorry that is fucking ludicrous. Oh it's GonNa get worse. I can't I understand that you are emotional but it will be all right and things we'll get back to normal. Hey let's drink wine from her skull. How about that everybody? Wouldn't that be fun too crazy. When you have had an injustice to you in someone says I understand your emotional? It's literally the worst thing still padding people on the head. Yes she's totally one percent. Pat Buchanan that your emotions will oh my God just more immediate. Media were called hotel and this time they were told the protests would not be peaceful so there's outside. Finally spillman goes out to talk to the reading the room she praised scissors qualifications smart kid read my poker and implored them to give her a chance. Your emotions will go away. You're just I angry for. No reason the protesters ask questions. She answered the less difficult ones often was self-incriminating non answers. It did not help that she said at one point quote deaf people are not ready to function in a hearing world. Oh what what she's saying. That's her way of saying a death president. Would it be ready because it can't communicate with anyone hearing yeah Def. President can't run the school. That's crazy. It's fucking insane. It's like so it's like so eighteen hundreds thinking about you know other people that aren't white and it's fucking crazy. It's it's it's bullets the eighty. It's the same argument. It's the argument both ways if you want. I mean it's like no I mean that just makes no sense. It's things that hearing person can't communicate with the deficit L. Just a person that kid here. It's fucking crazy yes right. It is crazy but so that means there's like a there's a eugenics part to this in her. That's what's happening so we actually calling her. The hero of the podcast that's right right during the discussion she would often turn and discuss things with a hearing trustee who was beside her on the other side was a deaf trustee who she totally ignored the entire title right says it all this person doesn't exist right. Is it time to feed dogs caviar in front of hobos agreed to meet some students the next day in our office but the crowd wasn't having it so she gave him in and said it could be in the gym and open to the entire public after that the crowd disperse with no arrests wonder how she slept that night. She's fucking lucky. She wasn't hidden head with a rock. Yeah honestly yeah the next day before dawn. It'd be so great if she lost her hearing. If that happened the next day before dawn students parked cars in front of five of the schools entrances and deflated the tires and then padlocked the gates Okeydoke at the six entrance they gathered and blocked all traffic classes were cancelled spillman had the police cut a hole in the fence and she crawled through it cool. I mean that's how you know. Things are going really well when cops have to cut a hole through offense for you to crawl through and you're in charge perfect but they were literally not letting anyone like King Jordan. Ken couldn't get on campus turned him away. I got here. He's like no. You're not kidding anymore. Have you ever seen the movie tabs and the Gig Kiss. No no no. It's just that your name is king. Okay no tent one leg what kiss Renou history dude. You're a dean giving at a school during no turn the narrator okay jared around you literally Volkswagen Beetle the chariot will turn it around. If someone can move the garbage can behind it okay. I don't ever reverse cameras. Today's please let them go. We're going to his Wi- turns turned into a W gentlemen off we go worst tires flat. So media media went got onto the school grounds of the media on Spillman and some trustees requested meeting with protest leaders okay so they went to me with their and they gave her to non-negotiable negotiable demands great deaf person had to be made president can't good start and spillman had to resign from the board great to Dob too great. She's like how can we get this over and they come in there. You get the fuck out so depres has been charged and you have to go no okay so I was talking about how we can get the gates official year just a sleazy solder defense piece back in your wrapped on like back mole of mall. There's other things that are travel like duck duck yeah do you don't WanNA trapped. Animal is yes how leave gentleman. I WanNa talk to her because they're doing. It's time to trap the ducks in malls today. Trap the malls and the Docs reading grew the A._F._l.. Translators pretty sure not. I don't know how this word you've seen molden ducks so obviously the meeting didn't go well when they issued their demand and it was spillman sayings INS appointment was final and quote. If you have any questions go ask a lawyer so then the big Jim meeting happened. Oh she's still doing that wouldn't she was trying to see if she could nip it in the bud before she had to do the gym meeting right right right okay so spill went took the stage and right issue. Everybody go go go right right. That's that school spirit feels like homecoming. A water bottle hit my stomach so right as she got up on stage a faculty member who was in the meeting earlier stepped in front of her nice and he signed what happened in the meeting that protest leaders had refused to meet their demands to the crowd you me yeah and then he signed quote. Should we leave and everyone got up and started walking out now. Spillman didn't understand what had happened because she didn't know silently advantage because she didn't know sign Louis van because she didn't know sign language advantage because the chairman didn't know sign language because for years she he had been on the board of trustees and never learned sign language should put a deaf person in that she didn't know sign language right so y'all going well yeah. I wish I Bernstein Lynn. What an awkward could you turn around and say it? Somebody gesture mound you the sign to say stop that is fuck you. I know what that one that was clear that one balls are out and that's not even Assad is not that it's difference. I'm rude different time so she watches as hundreds of people just walk out the exits interesting. It's an interesting no-one saga or no one's telling her why I she's like so organizer quote that was the turning point of the whole protest that was that moment was like an assassination right after that it was at our Confucian pure chaos a few people stayed and got on the Mike the Angrily questioned Russian and the lectured spillman and the trustees one student asked why deaf candidate wasn't selected and Spelman in the trustees spillman said the trustees are used their own judgement and she didn't know y each voted the way they did. Finally she ended the forum quote. Some board members have plans to catch and their schedules are already upset. This woman needs to this. What do we do? What did we get? I guess poor classes asses. She needs to have a reliability. Course I mean she needs to understand how to relate. When you're cornered? There are studies that show that when you become very rich you essentially become a psychopath. You just lose all touch. The human being yeah does not surprise. She's a great example an incredibly rich woman right. She is arrogant. Anybody who is not like her is completely beneath her and she's a fucking monster. It's like talking to being twelve years old and talking to Dianne Feinstein about climate change that's correct. The protesters gathered at the one open gauge for a march to the capital Kokatay. Police tried to stop them from leaving saying that they needed a parade permit. One man told the police he would translate what they were saying but instead signed that all the students should quote make a run for that's what a great advantage. I know right yeah. I mean so I mean there's literally speaks to the issue that they're kind of writing about percents. You don't understand US yeah exactly you're not trying to understand and so if you if actually did give a shit everyone weren't learned sign language school. Why wouldn't you like something? Everyone should learn probably so so the protesters sprinted through the gates before the cops new was even happening and to the capital and they're going to get a parade permit all of so at the Capitol leader some people give speeches and then a leader listed there now four demands man's great death president now and Spillman rain a deaf majority board of trustees and forget about reprisal reprisals against the protester grave and we get to eat spillman. Yes cooked good. Obviously we're not savages gives us cook spill the next day classes were still canceled because they're still blocking a huge rally was held on campus. Protesters burned effigies of Spillman Inzar so if you're Zinzer. Are you like wedged. I love my stuff in. What's the idea because I saw there's a little hole in the fence but outside of that everything's pretty shut off? She's not even there yet. How did they take it on the phone? What did they students? I think with excited hello hello hello birding what hello well now. She found out because news coverage when National T._v.. Stations around the country interview deaf people which gave the deaf community a previously unheard of visibility raised national awareness of the issues just how spillman showed up right perfect before dawn Wednesday students again blocked the gates with cars and lock them shot classes are cancelled again and then Zinzer got a little cocky. Oh dear she was supposed to start in July glut don't show up early but you called spillman and asked if she could be appointed immediately zinzer quote you had a team Ford ministers to run the university and committees don't run universities effectively in a crisis yeah and I'm crisis Sally exactly Ken involved perfect bad morning. They'll help nope this'll help. This is what is needed for her to immediately. Take right com their July come there now. Everything's better that's right right and by the way this is showing the instincts of a great leader just a great hotter assessor problem-solver exactly thank you yeah suspicion agreed great so they're both really good at this yeah. They're out of their fucking mind right so now Zinser arrived in D._C.. To hold her her afternoon into direct into introductory press conference okay the four main student organization organizers met with King Jordan who seemed unsure of what to do then they met with Zinzer she asked them to set aside their demands for a few days after which she would work with them to try to coat quote find a common agenda as well. That's wants a common agenda. We can work together on this. This thing where you don't want me here. We can work on that. I can figure out a way to be deaf. Give me a chance. I need three days. Let me just set up my stuff but she said the students were quote out of control unwilling unable to even think about it weird. They haven't about her feelings. Yeah her feeling I mean she. She's looking for compromise to make a lot of money. This is pretty rudy. The meeting lasted ten minutes K.. One of the students quote at I was very nice woman and sensitive but she did not listen. I felt she should've talked with us more if she really wanted to hear our position spillman started the press conference conference to introduce since her to what we're like the high in Ajar Facility Yeah. It's probably a hotel or something it's definitely not on Cam okay right. A reporter asked why a school should be run by someone I'm on who couldn't speak the language of its student body yeah. You know there's a university in France where they're sick of the Spanish president yes. It's fucking crazy. Spillman then said Zinzer was learning sign sign-language of okay well fucking money where your mouth is. Let's see and then spillman said she'd never learned sign language because she was quote to involved in very boring but vital matters such as making presentations nations to Congress and raising funds to have much interaction with deaf people. It was too busy to be an path so she's literally saying she was busy doing boring stuff. She couldn't learn their stupid little language. That's that's right yeah so she doesn't have time to interact with Dash for Congress K.. She in front of Congress. You have another important that job is and then Zinzer spoke she talked about the enormous and exciting challenge is she expected at Galata. Look good news for very exciting challenges have been thrown and that she had indeed started learning silent. I already know fuck you. Give me more money and I'm not listening. A reporter asked if she would resign if after hearing more from students she felt she was quote. The problem Zinzer said she'd only resign if the board of trustees asked her to well okay King Jordan spoke and said as a gallon at Dean he had to support the board's decision then he added quote gala that will never be the same the deaf world has changed in who's been very positive change. Spillman said et Zinzer was already officially gala that president retroactively dating into three days earlier okay. Someone's sarcastically asked Zinzer if she'd be leaving in a few years to go work for Bassett furniture that's pretty good and in the news no ways. Maybe they have a lot of money. I love money. Money's great money's better than any the problems Jordan was asked if he thought the protests should stop he said quote yes. I do interesting yeah the just make it so we'll the students were very upset. By King Jordan's remarks. He said he said that and then he walked off the stage and there was a student there he was close to you and she just shook her head and couldn't look them in the I. It's a good feeling completely veteran kicking. How do you think that would you don't look good? I crushed the soul of that girl Iraq. Did you see that she felt where knees so the four student leaders vowed campus protests would continue until demands met even if this meant giving up their spring break that was starting that weekend. Oh you know to the fact that the trustees. Trustees counting on that Oh fuck fuck yeah there. Thank the University Faculty voted one hundred forty seven to five for a resolution calling for his injuries resignation interesting who the fuck and five I five hundred thirty six to eleven for resolution advocating the other three protests demands great sounds like a majority although some said they felt pressured to not support genzer these are at all yeah imagine that might a student leader Zinser an actress Marlee Matlin appeared on nightline with Ted Koppel. I did Marlee Matlin Kid's birthday parties right I finally you're in the dog in this. You're finally finally ended dollop and finally yeah this is nuts. Am I going to cover this. You are does this. Go all the way to when I do it kid's birthday. That's the end. This is exciting when Zinzer said she'd stay in office purpose unless the Trustees Astra step down Ted Koppel called her quote a puppet. You're a puppet said she resign if she wanted to. which is one hundred percent? It's a perfect like little ironclad argument because you're like well if the trustees us these asked me to tell me I have to go the trustees are the majority of them want you in there and they would be like well. If she wants to leave she can resign Matlin accused of arrogance for taking over a deaf school without knowing young much about deaf people. The show ended with everyone trying to basically yelling at each other. All at once Capo called the quote something approaching anarchy right and C._N._N.. Called it something that we will make our network but but not so because C._N._N.. Never call someone what they are. Ted Koppel call of a puppet fan so fair outside of that yeah really Thursday morning cars have been told to clear to entrances so students hotwired school buses jove in front of the gate. It's worse by and they're bigger and deflated the okay worse good work everyone they also put up tune tombstones for Zinzan spillman. That's good Nice Nice Nice touch clear deaf and even some hearing students around the country were rallying at their own schools and support and somewhere like driving down and busloads to help protests. It's becoming a bigger movement for the deaf. Community students threatened to seize the president's Campus House and office. If zinzer made her way past students blocking entrances to the school k the doors to the administration building or changed shut so no no administrators are on campus at one point <hes> words Inzar they're worried Zinser would sneak on campus and they started checking chunks of cars going by hurry like can't go today. That's like a fucking Red Dawn. There is even a rumor she'd be flown by helicopter that would land on the fair shooting in guys heard this. She's parachuting jetpack. She's digging away through. She's she's tunneling. She's going to El Chapo her way in. If she tunneled Iran this'll be the greatest donald away and I think at some point you gotta go all right all right your president president you. You've shown on the month really that afternoon. King Jordan surprised everyone by speaking. He's he signed that while he'd said the day before that he recognized the boards legal authority to choose the president quote my personal reaction to the board's decision was and is anger the continuing lack of confidence that they've shown in-depth people he then said he supported the for demands and quote the efforts to achieve them he talked to reporter and and after and said he had made a mistake the day before when he said the protests should stop he saw it now as a civil rights movement. He basically thought that that point he would never be president. He was giving up his career right so it's good that that night genzer enjoyed a nice dinner with the trustees administrators. It's just always like this. You don't even need to say that. They're having dinner but you just know that they're in their more Greg Yeah. They're always just eating engraving. How this works yeah starving? They tried to not get gout. That's right so the talk of the table was of the civil rights movement they were dealing with and this is the first time Zinzer her had heard it framed that way that she was already come around to the idea that this was totally unworkable situation for quote. That was a turning point in recognizing it as a larger social phenomenon. That's crazy easy talk about it. You definitely are not supposed to be there yeah but they have the fact that you like Oh. This is civil rights movement. What did you think that's what I mean? That's why let's like you cannot be there right you. Don't you don't have the depth she'd she'd literally doesn't understand that it's no different than a a white person saying they should run a black. Call Rush refusing to leave yeah yeah yeah with gravy with gravy. I mean we're assuming there's gravy. There's a lot of bribing. There's no who is not eating gravy off just gravy just they probably sat in a big novelty gravy boat while they dipped like pies in the gravy that surrounded that's right my understanding is they would pour gravy on spillman. Lick it off for Oh yes. What's the sign for thanks? I don't know mourn pork so quote. I looked at Jane spillman very calmly and said Jane. I resign Zinzer then told them she wanted to eat salad by herself. What God from the I've retailer to a booth at Wendy's alone you wanted to problem-solver? It'd been ninety seven hours done good run. Since you've been voted picture on the wall right you have to it's the deal will so at this point did they just let a little smoke billows out of the chimney and write a deaf gala that faculty member later claims had a secret victory party two weeks before the vote uh-huh and a Gal that alum said a hearing trustee congratulated him on his appointment in late February so we could just be rumors but <hes> yeah wouldn't surprise me yes. The press was told about Iraq resignation and eleven PM students gathered at the gym and celebrated in to the morning great the next morning Zinzan spillman held a press conference Zinser said she was quote deeply disappointed but that she now realized the best way to restore order was to resign she finished by saying she was celebrating the death communities quote day in the Sun and then signed. I love you sign Alit end so she had she had a momentary lack of understanding and she came around great had a salad great signed. It wasn't great that you came but in the end up good then spillman spoke she called singers was nation quote a tragic agic loss for gala debt an inevitable step forward for another institution ready for the next sense that will redeem everything she said so far no that's it. That's the quote how is it that I would say I learned nothing and a fuck you. The deficit person is the one who can here percent. I mean there's being deaf and then there's not being able to even be at the same event. As what was her name. Zinzer see that revelation and not not be affected. She probably had no idea that she signed. I love you right. She's probably way to give it to screw my agree sister but you just say kick rocks so there's also you know oh we see this many times in history and certainly now where people know that they're in the wrong and they've taken a position but the real problem is is that the lesser fans are the ones who have shown them that they're on the wrong right so they can. They cannot fuck and accept that so they'll go to their death rather than say those people are right. She said the board of trustees the board would meet Sunday to discuss a new selection process process and it was up to the board whether a death president will be chosen. Just say you'RE GONNA pick a Goddamn deaf. Person Reporter has spillman. If she knew sign language she said although she'd been on the Board for eight years in the chairman six she had never learned the language quote. This job is extremely demanding and terribly time consuming in my opinion. My efforts are best directed in other areas toward budgets figures and programs that are not nearly as pleasure. We'll as learning sign language well. She's got to devote a lot of time to wasting finding out who the next president just had ninety seven hours she could've used it's so does not take that much time of your down to learn another language particularly when you're working with those people you also know that you really don't care if you don't even bother to go like I'm learning it like you're like so now. I'M GONNA now. I'm still unchanged unfazed. The protestors held their own press conference leaders said they would keep the campus closed Intel there three and a half remaining demands met right they then let a march of several thousand people to the capital this time they had prayed for I met Herman protest leaders wrote the board and encourage them to pick one of the to death finalists. Instead of starting over again with a new search is injured. Gone on a plane went back to her position as chancellor at U._N._C. Greensboro she was greeted at the airport by hundreds of supporters with banners balloons k the trustees met Sunday afterwards spillman resigned of her own record despite continued support for many trustees she said quote a death. President deserves a deaf chairman so now she's he's just being she got. She got fired. Come on she. There's no way after everything she's done that. They weren't like he gotta go right because this was her upper left and right the board voted a unanimously to make King Jordan President. Finally the king has his kids it effective immediately kiss it. I am now the King President I have now the King King King President President South Jordan Jordan Jordan spillman and the selection committee chair how the press conference announcing joins appointment and her resignation they said there'd be no punishment for any protests participants and announced the creation of task force to figure out how to make the board majority death. The chair said he'd spoken to student leaders who agreed they would let the campus return to normal immediately so they want great. The victorious protesters chug beer enchanted death president. Wow How grace Jordan gave a press conference signing deaf people quote have overcome reluctance to stand up for our rights. The world has watched the deaf community come of age we will no longer accept limits on what we can achieve the crowd chanted king thinking king and then Jordan said he was going home to sleep. He's tired Yeah Little Long Rod sure yeah and then six King Jordan announced he would retire as Galette at president the next year the trustees were then majority death as has per official bylaw voted to replace Jordan with a deeply unpopular death gala that provost Jane Fernandez protests broke out the N._A._S._D.. Supported him intensity farmed once again students shut down the school October. Thirteenth police arrested one hundred thirty three protesters for blocking entrances to the school King Jordan approved of the arrests the four death president now student leaders from back in the day released a statement saying the arrest quote tainted the spirit of the death president now movement and reversed King Jordan's legacy they decried Fernandez's quote arrogant vindictive autocratic and retaliatory style of leadership and urged her to follow sensors example sample quote Dr Zinser considers her resignation the best thing she has ever done we can only hope it someday. We'll be able to think we were able to thank you for being courageous enough to take the same action Fernandez released a statement. She refused fused to step down because quote we live in a country that has governed by the rule of law not anarchy but that's not anarchy. That's democracy yeah all the time. They forget that all the time on purpose Dev of communities throughout the U._S. Canada farm tent cities of their own in solidarity in October twenty first thousands of deaf people from around the world marched on the U._S.. Capitol on October Twenty Ninth Board of Trustees Terminated Fernandez Contra Nice. This is what hey everybody. This is what we need to do. Jordan op-ed in the Washington Post denouncing the protesters and saying quote. I am convinced that the board made a serious error and sending to the demands of the protesters by Terminating Fernandez presidency before began Dan the students get to have a fucking say who's running the college if they don't fucking like it every we always hated are fucking chancellor's U._C.. Schools they were fucking shit and they fucked us left and right. We should have a fucking say in who the fuck they are. The board voted to replace Jordan with a deaf gala that graduate Robert via on an interim basis in two thousand nine. He was succeeded seceded <hes> succeeded by a former entity president Alan Hurwitz Hurwitz retired in two thousand fifteen in the presidency went to death attorney Robert Cadeau She Roberta Casino she is gathered at second female president. The I was Elizabeth Zinzer well the President now movement is known just as DP end the power demonstrated by the gallon at students fueled efforts around deaf rights for years to come in also help catalyze efforts to pass the American with disabilities act like they it just didn't like spillman started a monster like it was one of the things sleeping just kept going and and and you're right it is such a microcosm I mean it's just like yeah. That's it yeah that's where we live in now. Yeah I mean if you WANNA solve climate change. That's how we have to do it. Well and I think even the difference between eight and two thousand six is noticeable to I think that is a parallel as well is that like they don't they now know that they can ignore us more than they thought <hes> and so they hyper ignore us so it is going to take yeah. It's GonNa take like being okay with getting arrested and really really just being okay with like being like with shutting the now yeah yeah that's right helping people people doing so funny to people who are like if you block things then you we'll just upset people bolt right so the point of blocking thing is to tell people that nothing's going to be the same until we actually get our way because that's justice and what's the alternative I mean there's no ultimate there's no alternative. The alternative is to just be like oh you're right. No I'll be happy well. We just melt. Just do it that way. If you don't believe that you should go talk to Martin Luther King who they killed Yes yes kill a lot of people you hope you happy. We signed science. We signed science. There's the three ladies Oh wow that's obviously spillman the ugly mean. Yes nurse Ratchet looking right.
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"I remember the way. I north to go south east to go west back to go forward and to touch the light. I have to pass beneath the shadow. Welcome to the white book. Podcast the original egging l. g pie originally founded in two thousand nine champs chump. We decided to rebrand deep relaunched. Second a huge thank. You goes out benefit white name. You're dr arnn at this game world we love and of course to my co-host you listening please. If you enjoy the show. Leave us a review on i flagpole choice comment on facebook threads or even better support us on adriaan. We love turning that support backing to than this is season. Twelve of the white book. podcast All right guys welcome back to accounting rights at the moment of soda or hundred and fifty five of the white book. And i of course am will and you'll notice some i don't have a co host that i'm enjoying right at the moment. That's because we are interrupting our regularly schedule. Retrospective with roy For something new something folks who probably been waiting on So joining me this week. Is chris eggart affectionately known as egg. I believe and I think we're we're excited to get talking about The let's see official name. I believe is just global operations team right we we did drop the aid way It it depends on who you ask and the day. That's where that's fair well. I'm fine with it. Being the eggett global operations team abbreviated as a god. But yeah some some people prefer the To stay in the name and some people prefer there to not be confusion a normally. I'm all for clarity. But i think this is a case. Where my love of puns overrides clarity. So yeah i mean i. I'm pretty sure Sam whitehead i think is the person in our group who suggested the name and i. I'm pretty sure the only reason why the name was suggested that way was for the pun to work and it was also a great name so that is one hundred percent. What happened to my recollection. Yeah so and the name doesn't work without the release is not as effective so it depends on who you ask some days. I prefer the clarity other days. I i mean every day. I'm a sucker for good potent so yeah so That set we are here this week as two members of the board of trustees for the global operations team And out you'll note to that. I'm just saying members I'm sure some listeners may have already seen explanations to this effect largely those posted by chris But we're running this particular set up a little differently than previous fan attempts And one of those things. I think is that we really wanted to lean in on trustees so we are We do not have defined individualized titles among the group. But i think i am not overstepping my bounds. Too much To say that. We all kind of regard chris as first among equals here As he was largely the driving forcing getting this initial attempt off the ground. So that's that's why. I have drug him on with me this week. So we can talk and keep you listeners in the loop a little bit so speaking of getting things off the ground egg. How how did this attempt kinda come together. What what was the process in bringing us to the point of forming the board so first of all. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and discuss things with yourself in for the benefit of our community. the idea kind of came about We we've had some crises over the last year. And so in. The game of thrones community and not to dwell on past hardships too much but one of the commonly recurring discussion points. Whenever we were having discussions in public was people were always saying. Why don't we just make a community like the net runner community has think it's called necessite nisei and sei and just over and over. I heard people say or post things like you know. If somebody got one of these organizations going. I would join it variations of that if somebody did x. Than i would be happy to be part of it. And i figured well i've seen it enough times. I'm going to start calling people on their on their suggestion. And i'm gonna start getting all of the people who say i would love to see a net runner nece- type community for the game of thrones organization and i would be part of it so i started saying people. Well if you'll be part of it. I'm gonna i'm gonna try to start one and as we kept getting people together. They invited more people. Those people invited more people in kind of started out like a pyramid scheme. But fortunately nobody buying anything. We've got about thirty people together. From from north america europe asia australia. I think some of the pacific islands So we got. We got a pretty big group together To discuss how we were gonna go about putting this organization together and then we just. We just started going from there so the group that the met together. That was all through you. Discord and i'm curious a it. It felt pretty natural to me. Because i'm on discord for several other groups. But it is there any particular reason that we ended up on dischord or just just sheer convenience. So that's where some folks happened to be. Well i think I think you know over the years. Various services have sort of been the default for gaming or game related discussions. I mean i remember back. In the days it was team speaker ventrillo curse boyce for like a hot second but Discord seems to be the the most common one nowadays at least And i know a lot of people involved in discussions. In the game of thrones community are already involved in the game of thrones discord group. That is still still a very highly used and traffic. And i think i just started saying hey you know what your discord all invite you on disco and you know we'll we'll start discussing there and then the group got going and That that's pretty much. All it was. I originally made the group as a The sort of a placeholder but Things took off a lot quicker than i thought they were going to I think like i went to bed. You know like we came up. I think we started While i started reaching out to people. And i think a wednesday afternoon and by friday we had you know like thirty thirty plus members in by the weekend we got almost a dozen more and then everybody started asking me what we were going to do next. I was like well. I thought i'd have a lot more time to figure that out but here we are well. And then you start dealing with stuff like me and sam and crud. I always have the worst time thinking back on this. It was storm that we went round and round with right or was it colt that the three of the i. It was also hummingbirds. Actually maybe that's why i have a terrible time remembering. Maybe we were going around with both of them. Well and you know the the interesting thing about that is one of a lot of people reach out to me. And they said you know things are really contentious in this group. Were already you know. It seems like people are already at each other's throats and we haven't even figured out at you know we hadn't even figured out the name yet. The the initial name. That i picked i picked them The great council okay referring to the in in the ice and fire universe whenever there was sort of a a regency era or The nobles of west coast were unsure. Who the next king should be. All of the lords would get together and discuss it at a great council and i think there were three of them in in the ice and fire history. I'm a big nerd about that stuff by the way but that yeah then i started naming people as i think council members in the discord group. And i think people actually technically still. Their role is council member. Because i never went back in edited the roles change the name but than people people took the wrong implication. And that's one of the things that really focused on is. We don't wanna give people the wrong impression. We're happy to change terminology or directions if we realized that you know maybe our point hasn't quite come across but back to the discussion that you guys were having with the humber. I pointed out to people. It's not contentious discussion. You know we want to encourage vigorous discussion as long as everyone is still treating each other with respect and waiting to hear the other person's point out instead of assuming that they're you know just hardcore disagreeing with them aren't you know there's no middle ground for consensus and i was pretty pleased. But i feel like eventually we. We reached consensus. Yeah i i guess i i was meaning to bring that up not to make it sound like it was overly contentious of but rather to emphasize that there was a lot of discussion in the group and we were really In a good way at least just trying to throw stuff at the walls and see what stuck there. There was a lot of ideas that were thrown out. And and i don't want to limit that to just the four folks that were mentioned There were a number of other folks that were participating heavily. Richard through a good bit of stuff out. Francisco did i i. I'm trapping myself. I think i attempt to name lady on purpose and leave people out. So i'm gonna stop there not not intending to snub anybody But just to say yeah. There were a lot of folks talking throwing out a lot of ideas in examining them from different directions and Really trying to work through the implications of a lot of different ways to hammer this out. And so i was really glad that you kinda Led the charge in all these people together to do that. Yeah i. I was happy to get everybody together. And then i was very pleased that we ultimately ended up going with some of the ideas that i had for The structure of the organization I am you know. I'm i'm a lawyer politics nerd And i love like organizational structure and the nitty gritty of how things work on an organizational or logistics basis. Probably overly so For this type of thing. But i feel like it's better to have more thought about something than than less thought but I we all were as you know like a. I think i had a small group of ten her. Maybe even more than that. Maybe fifteen people that i worked with the initial draft of the organizational structure with and you know everybody had comments suggestions We revised it very very thoroughly Before we brought it to the rest of the group and once we were done with it everybody in the group just kind of signed off on it. They were like yeah. The sun's goodlettsville. Let's go forward with that. And that's the idea of the board of trustees came through instead of A lot of other organizations like ours. You'll see that there's like an executive board and every member of the executive board has a different title in a different responsibility. And so you'll have like one person is overall in charge of game design like for you know just as an example from other organizations and we decided that instead of something like that we were going to deemphasize Personal responsibility on one on any one person. And instead at the top of the organization we'd have seven members of the board of trustees who wanted to just focus on the direction and health of the organization in community and Leave the nitty gritty day to day aspects of the organization design running tournaments two committees. That were set up under them. Yeah and and i think that is a kind of mindset shift that is going to be very valuable to us moving forward. Yeah i think so. Too it has a a number of benefits. And i think well so. Let's talk about the possible. Only downside i is that things might take a little bit more time. You know if you have a committee of people you're never gonna get as efficient a A speed in the actual work being done than you would get in a group of people not just one person's ideas being implemented by one person. It'll go faster but I think since part of our focus is on community engagement in the process and having discussions about items and trying to work through whatever differences we have in our community as a group. I think that the structure will overall work better for us in the long run. I agree and this this seems like an opportune time to mention that. We gosh how to phrase this that we were already kind of up against some real world Real life the difficulties in the time. Line of when this all came together In that it kind of hit right as we hit the holiday season without really set things To kind of a slower pace as people. rightly focused on. You know their families and that type of thing. Yeah we like. If if i going in looking back on it i picked may be the worst time to start a new player organization from my own personal life schedule standpoint. I think the week that got everybody together was the week before i started a new job. who the first week in november. So you know. I was On our discord board while doing work are in -tations and getting set up with it at my new office and also since it was the first week in november it was also the the election in the united states. So there was there was a lot going on that week and that was the week that i decided to start putting together a new play organization. Ed the who you know as soon as we got sort of the structure and the board of trustees process for selecting put together Than it was the holiday season and so yeah it was It's it's been it's been both a really great couple months and also. I'm amazed that it's only been three months. Like i feel like so much. More time has passed since the beginning of november but also I'm amazed so much time as already passed. Yeah yeah it's it's crazy and a win. There's big life events also happening at the same time new jobs not to detail this. Go down this road. We've had some Repeat hid like multiple health issues In my family. And that sort of thing and i don't want to speak for anybody else on the boards Real real world stuff going on but just to acknowledge that we have all had kind of multiple things come up Yeah but that said. That's partly why we're here doing this. Podcast to make sure that you Our audience our listeners. Our community members Kinda have a window in. What's going on where we're going and that progress is being made and keep you informed. I think a lot of times Even in my day job one of the frustrating biggest frustrations is just lack of communication. Not so much that there is a delay or you know a report being turned into me as later something. But that folks don't say hey so and so's need extra day Here's where i am right now or whatever so I was hoping we could kind of bring that type of a guess. Yeah definitely And i i agree that not. Providing communication as often as possible is a mistake having been part of a various gaming communities for in decades. Now i understand the frustration of there being something that you want to hear more about that you just never hear about an especially since all of us have were veterans of the fantasy flight games community engagement model. Never hear anything and you know we all understand that we all understand the pain but one of the important things about the board of trustees is. It's not it wasn't set up to be the community facing part of the organization. Now obviously we're happy to talk to the community and we're definitely going to be doing so here in the initial stages as well as later you know if somebody wants to chat to me about game of thrones. I'm never going to say no but Like were were trying to get everything. Set up an organized without filling in too many of the blanks. Because we want the committee's themselves to be filling in their own blanks. So it's it's been kinda strange and really I think we've talked about this before but this is all of our everyone on the board. I believe it's our first time on any sort of Player organization that is big enough to be truly international And that's that's one of the other Difficulties that we've had in we. Since our discussion group was so international. I think at some point we tried to do a chat conversation And we had like fourteen different time zones represented and i was trying to find a date and time that would actually work for everybody and there wasn't one Even even on just our board of trustees. We have as far east as greece and as far west as chile. And so we need. We need to find a date and time for all seven of us to have a discussion. You know it takes some doing. Yeah but that said we have had Several meetings so far. So i think progress is made their we kinda divvied up a plan on some committees and Started working up bus ideas on that. So what what sort of split did we wind up deciding on for the main committees though that would be that day to day operation stuff. Yeah so we started with. I think three and since then we've we've grown to five now. To two of the committee's i think are going to be smaller than the other three in the probably have less to do on a day to day So will leave those to the end but we ended up with three main committees and If we want to just go into start talking about those. I think the the one that the the listeners are probably the most interested in hearing about his game design. I think so i think a lot of folks are very excited to hear about that one So the the idea with the game design. Committee is complicated. Well i guess complicated is the wrong word to us. There's various circumstances involved because they're already is a design team that have worked together for some time they've already put content together. They've already play tested it. They're already a good solid group to do game design. In the game of thrones card. Game so i you know one of the first things i wanna do is reassure everybody that we're not. We're not looking to change that. We're not looking to step in and start telling people what what they have to do on that so we are developing our idea for a design committee in close consultation with that design group. And we've had two. Our trustees have been working very closely with that design group to make sure that the structure of the design committee that we're setting up is going to integrate and work with the existing design committee to make sure that we don't lose any of the work that they've already done and also we don't split them up or start telling them what they can and can't do Were going to still fold them in to our project right and yet still not not be a separate standalone project. Right yeah we're gonna. We're working on integrating their team into our Over arching design committee. Because it won't it won't just be the design team we're going to be Working on bigger picture ideas like The game health the direction of car design. There's the possibility of setting up additional design teams for example. The korean meta has a design team as well. So y'all there could be multiple design teams. That are all being coordinated through our design committee. Okay yeah i think that is probably for the best. i mean. obviously. Since i'm involved in this and agreed to get his teeth but for listeners as well y- trying to get everybody on the same page on that particular point is probably one of the biggest concerns that folks have had looking at this from the outside or even from the inside. So i think it's important to note that we are making that priority and making progress on that And then also an. This'll be a theme throughout all of our committees but one of the key things that we want our organization to be able to focus on is an ongoing dialogue with the community where members of the committee air community can submit thoughts to the organization and the committees that are responsible for that area of the game and actually have that interaction that we haven't had before. In the game of thrones community because the community has always been its own thing in has been kind of separate and not really able to communicate with the powers that be that oversee and develop the game so we have a we have a great opportunity to really implement that in a way that hasn't been possible before will speaking of implementing that and some of the communications And like let's let's maybe get that same kind of bird's eye view on what the other two broad strokes committees are. So since you've already said one of the buzzwords Talking about communications technology next okay So similar to the design committee the communications in tech committee. We don't we. Don't wanna start going into all of the various utilities that so. Many people in the thrones community have really dedicated so much time and effort to and we don't we don't want to just go in and start telling them what what to do. You know a lot of what. The global operations team is designed to do is coordinate all of the different arms and resources and people. In the game of thrones community and help them with what they need and make sure that we stay out of the way of people who are really taking that time and effort to focus on the different aspects of the game so for example. Iron thrown thrones dp. You know a got dot cards all. We have all of these utilities that so many people spend so much time on that. We think it's a good idea to coordinate. All of that and make sure that we're we're doing anything that we can for these content creators in providers to really focus on making their own services better and more integrated with each other and they. They already do that to a large extent but not only that but having planned content for posting getting people to write articles or Do video serious stuff new stuff like that we have. We have so many great content and utility providers in this community. Really we just want communications in tech committee to be able to work with them and help them with whatever whatever they might need and make sure that their services are really getting the boost in the committee that they need to take things to the next level. Yes i think that's a great way to kind of present it like that. The focus is on a empowering the creators and helping with what they might need to reach that next level rather than trying to really dictate some kind of top down plan for them. So yeah definitely and you know one of one of the things that i think. Our community really misses sense. F f g ended support for the game is written content. And i would love to get a a schedule of articles or deep dives into various aspects of the game put together and have monthly or multiple times a month articles. So that people can you know. Read it or get into it or comment on it because we have a. We have a lot of podcasts. We've got great video. Content iron thrown in particular lends itself really well to being twitched streamed for tournament a lot of content available. But i i personally really love written content and I know we. We don't have as much as i would like in in the community and i think A good place to start is with that for the communications tech. Of course i'm not gonna. I'm not gonna tell them what to do. Because that's not what we want to do. But i think i think it would be beneficial. I think that that brings me to something. That i'm going to table for just a moment and come back around to in a moment after you phyllis in on what. The third of the three broad committees will be okay so the third committee is the one that i'm personally most excited about It's the organized play committee And you know again the running theme. We're not looking to come in and start telling people what to do. But we're going to coordinate people. There are so many fan run tournaments around the world. For the game of thrones community. And i think Most of the people who play and our part of the community love the tournaments in talking about them in love traveling for them. Obviously we got a awful awful double whammy in our community with covid and the game stopping all at the same time like i remember going to world's last year and then it was like kovic started the next week. I feel like if f f g continued supporting. The game. code probably wouldn't have happened. That's the only. That's the only link i can make in my head. That's held logic. Works definitely yeah. I mean trust me. I'm a lawyer. But i can't because you're a lawyer. Yeah that works in courtrooms to know like me. Job is easier than i realized. Sh- there's there's a lot more behind the scenes that you can't see but Yeah we we got a really big double whammy in this community last year and while people are still playing on iron thrown in. There's been some online tournaments. There are a lot of tournament organizers. Who have kind of gone silent or they didn't run a regular lee occurring fan tournament last year. And i'm hoping that eventually our organized play committee will get back to the point where we can plan and coordinate and advertise and really enjoy real world tournaments again in the near future but there's plenty available for an online space there is. There is an propaganda. I think to those creators have given us. You know the capability to do that so bringing it back to the prior committee. It's all connected man all connected in a community this size yep it really is and Our organized play committee is going to try to bring back former tournament. Organizers attract new organizers. Like i you know i i think both of us have run tournaments and one tournaments are sometimes difficult and intricate and You know there's a lot of unpredictable things that come up when you're a tournament organizer but that being said i feel like a lot of people are intimidated from running tournaments that with Some coaching in some resources. I feel like a lot of people could run tournaments. That probably feel like that. It's just very daunting of a thing to take on themselves. Yeah i mean that would be a great thing for the committee to tackle As far as some kind of mentorship or roadmap for The experienced folks to tell about some others the might want to Get their toes dipped into the organising seen But that said. I think that this sort of brings me back around to the point that i tabled earlier. Which is that. We are working up some broad strokes right. We one of the things. We're working on in giving the committees. Were kind of coming up with job descriptions for them. But if i understand things correctly here. We are kind of just providing a map to the committee's to speak and marking an exxon. It saying hey you know get here but we're not giving them the turn by turn directions on everything if that's not a super weird way to try to illustrate this point yeah Know what we we set up the board of trustees to avoid having the people in charge of the organization be the ones that are also responsible for the day to day operations of the organization We want them to be able to maintain that independence from the actual work. That needs to be done so that they can adequately oversee that work in an mediate disputes. You know we. We understand that with our committee model in having no one person in charge of any particular item Conflict is probably going to be inevitable. you know it's it's not. It's not a bad thing. I don't think that conflict is going to be a thing in this type of thing. It's just gonna be different. People are going to have different thoughts on how to accomplish a task and if they can't get past that impasse. That's when a board of trustees will step in and mediate that that conflict. But it's not. We're not going to sit on the communities in issue directives on every single step of the way to get to the goal. You're right when you say that we're going to provide a goal. You know like for example for the organized play community one of the goals that. I think that we're going to suggest that they work on is replicating. The fantasy flight games organized play model of regional championships national championships etcetera up to and including a world tournament. Now if that ends up laughing with other events like stolac or Something of that nature. That's not going to be up to the members of the board of trustees that'll be up to the members of the organized play committee as long as they're accomplishing the goal that the board of trustees lays out for them. It's up to them. How they want to accomplish set you know. We're going to provide input as or answer questions and provide feedback. But we don't wanna tell anybody what to do. We're going to give a goal in a direction for the organization and make sure that we get there. But were we're going to let the people that we hire for our various committees. Be the ones who decide how to get there. I think i think that's a great not to have in front of everybody. So as far as hiring the committee's where do we stand on that. I think we we have a work in process on on the next step on that right. Yeah so were the. The idea is to have an application process that is open for a few weeks That'd be a google form for anybody. Who's interested in serving on the committees to fill out and that you know they'll submit it to us and we will get all of the applications for different people together and start going over them. You know like how you apply for an actual position at a job We're we're to take the applications will probably have follow up questions for people and i don't. I'm not sure how if at all will be doing an interview process but That's that's still something that we will discuss in figure out if it's needed but will start identifying people in start hiring them onto the committees and then we'll go from there and currently we've got Got some forms under construction kinda I know you were in the the board chat soliciting some feedback from from folks so It's not. I think ready to to drop tomorrow or anything like that but We should be able to open those soon. Yeah and wary of giving an exact timeline because mmediately stick our feet normals. yeah I keep unfortunately doing that but in in you know this is a bit of a behind the scenes on on this type of thing but You know you have every intention of fulfilling something that you say. So when i say something like you know we plan on opening the application process and a couple of weeks lots of stuff come up in a couple of weeks that ended up pushing Stuff back especially a fan run organization. Not that it's low on my list of priorities but you know there's plenty of life stuff going on in the interim And then also part of the reason why there have been delays because we are discussing amongst ourselves in figuring out what the best way forward is you know as you as you said the seven of us on the board of trustees. None of us are actually in charge. We've been we've been selected to the board by our discussion group because the people in that group thought there was a consensus that we were the the best people to take up the next step of building the organization overseeing it but nobody put us in charge We're all just building and discussing. How best to do it. So for example. I provided initial draft of the application and some of the feedback. I got from the other board members was this might be a little too complicated. maybe we should Revise it a little bit so that it's not super intimidating for someone applying and that is entirely valid criticism and i've gone back started revising it with that in mind. You know it's not With the goal is for that type of discussion and refining of ideas to be carried out throughout this organization. So that we can figure out what's best for the community and it might take a little bit of time and it is. It's not an exact science and this is all new for us. So were were working. We're making progress as you say and we were all in this though. Were were not We're not just gonna get bored one day and stopped doing it. You know not that not that anybody has or heels access to but you know we're not We're not just sitting around on a bunch of content that we just don't want to share with people. It's legitimately something that just takes some time to get right and You know we're not pointing any fingers when we point out that other other efforts in the past haven't haven't succeeded. There's a lot of unique challenges in this time period and in our community. And that's something that we're working on. We're on it slowly but surely and gosh. What's what's the trite phrase. Slow and steady wins the race so any any parting thoughts any big strokes of where we are that. We missed covering that. You're dying dined. Let folks know yes. So i think It might be worth to touch on the last two committees that we haven't discussed yet. One of which i think is is Kind of important From an organizational standpoint as well but one of the committees is art and assets. And that's one of the committees that sort of spun off from our big three because it turns out game design. Communications technology and organized play all have art needs. And i think part of the reason why a lot of people are drawn to. The game of thrones car game is because of the art and because of the style and there have been some real stinkers in the past alex o'shea really has highlighted a couple of them In his facebook posts but There has been also some great art. And that's one of the things that we also need to focus on is sourcing and maybe even creating art and assets that we can continue using in organization in farrar game So that's one of the other committees that we've put together that will probably be smaller than than the main three but definitely important to the organization and those three committed committees yes That is an important Specialized committee i think. Yeah and you know if anybody if anybody is an artist or graphic designer who would love to work in that committee. We'd love to have you You know we still have a lot to discuss about how we source those items. Whether we're going to get you know. Try to solicit donations or something of that nature. But again you know we're gonna we're gonna leave that to the committee and one thing to note is all of the committees are probably going to change and evolve as we go through the process of hiring people for them because we've really just sketched out a a rough idea of where we're going and we're gonna at other people in as we as we move forward and those people have ideas and they'll be good ideas and you know so he will refine as we go along so the the last the last committee is going to be one of the most important ones and also one of the main reasons for the formation of this organization and it's going to be the Community code of conduct enforcement You know we we've had Many interpersonal issues in community in the past and some intolerance and some other issues that have been devastating for the community and one of the best in most cited parts about the net runner. Nisei group that we are focusing on emulating is. They're very strong and Very balanced of conduct. And so that's one of the main features that were bringing to this. Organization is a thorough balanced and Robust code of conduct that will apply to the community apply to organization events and will make sure that we can continue protecting the diversity and inclusiveness of our community. And so it's going to be very important for there to be a committee that is specifically tasked with enforcing that code of conduct and also not just on you know people in the community but also members of the organization. Because we're we're going to really focus on being kind to one another and being willing to listen and receptive to other people's points of view in our organization but also we need to make sure that we are as welcoming as possible and were treating everyone with respect and Really working to make it a welcoming place that anybody who wants to play our game can join with us yeah I think that having a clear direction and end set of standards. is really important And especially In having that spelled out for the members of the group and having mechanisms in place to have things about why across the board right not only in one. Facebook group. Here on dischord server there. One you know board member here. One committee member there to have this not not centralized but have it evenly applied and have these checks and balances built in I mean we hope. Of course it's stuff that doesn't have to be actively utilized but having a a structure in place To do so fairly is very important. Yeah definitely That was one of the. The main driving factors for putting this organization together was Things said honestly really started to deteriorate in some of our online interaction forums like the facebook page. You and i are both moderators there. So you and i have both seen How difficult things have become in in at certain points of time in the last year And even before that to be honest but a a really robust in clear code of conduct is that's one of the things that we're working on implementing and were going to have a draft of that that we're going to be publishing in. I as you said. I'm not sure when this is going to air but it'll be in the next couple of weeks. Possibly in march bought we're were really dedicated to the idea of making the say welcoming and inclusive community and a good clear code of conduct is one of the great ways to do that. And also i wanna i. Wanna thank joe zimmer who worked on adapting the I believe he said that. He adapted the code of conduct. When the uk thrones group was putting together their own code of conduct and he worked hard to implement the the edits in the structure that he made that document into one for our organization. Um so thank you for that joe We're we're still working on it but He definitely laid the groundwork for that. That's much appreciated. Yeah no i think that is correct. And it is definitely worth giving a giving props for props or do and one of one of the things that i really like about The net runner one is. It's not just a code of conduct but there's also examples and it also has Direction for how. The code of conduct would be enforced. So it's not something that anybody needs to actually wonder about there. Are you know very clearly spelled out in that document and that's something that i'd like to replicate as well. It's just really well done and really well thought out. And it's I think it's going to be a great thing to bring to our community because One of the things that i really love about the community is being able to meet new people and go places and really just talked to in the world you know. I'm amazed that we've got five continents represented in our little discussion group in. That's just a small portion of the of the full community and to be able to meet new people and have this shared experience at the core of it is really just you know. I think that's one of the greatest parts of our community. I'd really love to work on protecting and expanding that with this organization. Yeah i don't know a. I've i've backed myself into a corner here in Probably the most eloquent member of the board on which seemed like a good idea at the time. Great you know can talk about stuff. And then i realized will eggs just gonna make all the good points and he's not gonna leave a lot of room for me so that's what i get. I get ball. i'm happy. I'm happy to be here and to make good points for you to have around. The great thing is is in editing. I could just. I could just re record myself saying you're good point. And then snip out the part where you said them at. Nobody listening to now. It's hey that's fine. Because you know that. Means that. When i when i re listen to this i won't have to listen to how i sound through a recording and you know with my points and your voice will. I'm sure it'll be really quality listening content for your for your subscribers your listeners of stoppable t right there that's why they put us on the board right. Yeah exactly exactly. You're the mind on the voice. Everybody else is saying the king. The king dreams in the hand builds it. That's that's i guess. Version right. yeah that's the good one now. There's we don't have any kings. No we don't just trustees and of course i've i've mentioned them just in passing And i before we go. I do want to Mentioned everybody else by name at at acknowledged them. I did not like purposely. Exclude them out of any formality or anything. It was spuria on the basis of trying to match up the easiest way. Chris and i are in the same time zone so that made things very simple. Yeah go ahead. yeah now i was. I was going to agree with you. But i was just wondering. Do you mean the other members of the board of trustees or yes. We want to run through all of the members of our discussion group. Oh lord i defer to my point that there's a lot of folks in the discussion group is as a whole and i will definitely Inadvertently leaves somebody out in the foot there. Somehow so i'm just gonna go with the other other board members That i do want to give proper credit props respect and so on to For the the work that they've been doing In our discussion in in drawing up the kind of job descriptions for the committees in talking to existing community members who you know run different pieces of content or technology Or you know the design team things like that so huge props to the other members. Tom baluchi store Who you know. This what i get for just reading off of our discord list and angelo mattis actor angela. Mattis thank you. Thank you francisco. Marin remembering house last name is pronounced properly. You'll hottest yar vigne. I'm probably butchering that and hot yoga lack of nova tank. It's hard it's a hard see. Of course i might be entirely wrong about that. And if so i apologize for that kako yes i realize now that i put myself in the spot of trying to pronounce. Everyone's names out loud rather That i really need to ask for a pronunciation guide from my fellow board members so that i can avoid butchering those in the future. Yeah well hopefully one of the things that we are discussing is having Profiles for the members of the board. You know just short profiles sort of a little get to know you. Section put together on a got dot cards at some point And maybe people will hopefully provide a pronunciation guide. Hey that is a fantastic idea. We should get thank you. I think it was your idea that i that i'm just reading off the discord. Yeah well you know. I said i was going to steal your ideas. So it's only fair that you still my ideas. Our ideas will. They're not here we go. Yeah but all joking aside. I do to thank everybody who joined the global operations team discussion. Discord i really appreciate everybody joining in joining the discussion. Talking it over with us getting more people in the community together to join the discussion and bring the organization in the community together Just really great work for everyone involved in. I really appreciate all of you being there. And taking the time to talk about these ideas and discuss Who's gonna be on the board of trustees and working together to get all of that put together It really was very inspiring to see so many people from around the world getting together in calmly rationally discussing how to implement this organization for the betterment of our community. And i really appreciate everybody who joined them was part of that discussion agreed and i think i think that is probably the nicest most positive note to leave things on for this upset with a huge sense of gratitude to everybody so be on the lookout for the next step from here and thank you chris for joining us this week. I pleasure well. And thank you again for having me
"Sixty four points this is. Npr live from news at eight seven in houston on giggled. Louder more than fifty thousand. Houston's are now overdue for their second dose of the covid vaccine the houston health department says around five percent of residents. Didn't get shot number. Two within six weeks of their first. Does dr robert atmar with baylor. College of medicine says this could lead to more infections. We know that a single does is not as protective as the two of regimen so a larger number of individuals will become infected. Mr says it's not too late to get the second shot. Even if it's been more than six weeks center. I won a legal battle between houston community college and one of its board members headed to the. Us supreme court bad harrop tells us. Free speech is a point of contention former hcc board member. David wilson filed multiple lawsuits against the board of trustees after they said he leaked confidential information and voted to censor his conduct. Wilson says his first and fourteenth amendment rights were violated. Josh blackman teaches constitutional law at south texas college of law. Houston he says. The government can't punish you for your opinions but the rules are a little bit different when you actually work for the government issue. A public employee government can restrict what you say on the job and even they can sometimes restraint ways. They offer job for example in social media this case a little bit different He's naughty public employees. He's elected trustee on a board blackman says it's unclear if elected trustees can be punished for their speech. And while this isn't necessarily a landmark case it could affect how government employees are reprimanded by employers for public remarks. I'm here of houston. He's donations will likely see higher water bills this summer. The houston public works departments as homeowners could be paying about four dollars more a month mehr semester. Turner says the city has to increase its rates. So it can maintain its store mortar system and prepare for severe weather. We have a wind advisory in effect until seven tonight. Cloudy this evening near seventy three seventy four on the campus on kyoto. Lauder news eddie. Eight seven support for npr comes from npr stations. Other contributors include.
Newest PCC board members are grocery workers
"This is komo w news kimmel come in seattle. Pcc community markets members have elected to new people to their board as k. u. o. w.'s. David hyde reports. For the first time in fifteen years the co op grocery store employees literally have a seat at the table. This election result is a big win for workers. According to p. c. employee james mike lint important that The staff be evolved at the board of trustees level. One of the two employees just elected to the board is donna. Rasmussen important because or cough and we want to work inclusively. Respiration was recruited by the grocery store workers union earlier this year. Pc management and the union were at odds over a four dollar covert hazard. Pay increase for grocery store workers at the time. Pcc management said. Their costs had already spike due to covid in a statement on the election results. Pc says member participation is one of their core principles as a co op. David hyde k. u. o. w. news.
February 3, 2021
"From the sea so series it cybersecurity. Headlines it's wednesday february third twenty twenty one. Another solar winds vulnerability used a hack national finance center writer sources say suspected chinese threat actors a novel solo orion vulnerability to break into the federal payroll agency security. Researchers had previously warned that a separate group of attackers. Then the ones behind the solar wind supply attack had been exploiting the company software but the alleged origin or target had not previously been known so instead said it was aware of one group. The had exploited the flaw but that they are not accessed any of solar winds internal systems an issued a patch in december. It's unknown. What if any data. The attackers were able to exit from the nfc. Sonic while confirms actively exploited zero day. The company issued a security advisory on a critical vulnerability for it secure mobile access. One hundred series this follow report on the zero day from the security researchers at nc see group which found the exploit underactive exploitation by highly sophisticated threat actor. A patch was scheduled for release on february second either nc nor sonic while provided any details about the exploit. It's unknown if this was related to the larger hacking campaign involving solar winds which has targeted other prominent never security companies in recent weeks. Microsoft defender now detects mac. Os vulnerabilities microsoft announced. A new feature for endpoint four defender which lets admins discover. Os and software vulnerabilities affecting mac os devices on their organization's network. This will treat onboard and mac os devices similarly to windows. Fighting the latest security recommendations review recently discovered vulnerabilities in installed at an issue remediation tasks microsoft also released public previews for windows. Eight dot one device support for defender in email notifications for vulnerability events ransomware gangs made at least three hundred fifty million dollars in twenty twenty. This comes from the latest analyst. Report from channel asus compound by tracking transactions to blockchain addresses like ransomware attacks. The analyst admit this is probably a lower end estimate given that all organizations report attacks ransomware accounted for seven percent of all currency based crime and was up three hundred and eleven percent from china's. This is two thousand nineteen report. Reich maze d'appel payment networker conti and revival were the estimated topper gangs and now a word from our sponsor global finding the right identity and access management solutions. For your enterprise is easy. Thanks to hiv globals advanced multi factor authentication solutions learn more about their layered risk based security for a wide range of use cases and hiv global dot com slash mfa. Social media over sharing is a security problem. According to a survey by the email security company tennessean over half of british and american office workers share names and photos of their children on public social accounts with seventy percent sharing birthdays and eighty one percent sharing employment details less than half had restricted facebook profiles and thirty two percent said they used private instagram profiles. Forty two percent of respondents said they post content daily while over sharing might seemingly only a know your friends it also provides ample fodder for social engineering attacks with birthdays being commonly used passwords and other authentication and employment changes opening the door to phishing attacks. We can media. Foundation publishes its first code of conduct. According to the foundation's board of trustees chair maria safari the code was created to help create a more inclusive environment for wikipedia. The code was created in consultation with fifteen hundred wikipedia volunteers from five continents and thirty languages. It formerly bands harassment on and off the site including threats of violence or so-called hounding by critiquing their work across various articles it also bans that liberally introducing false or biased information into content. The foundation will next work on enforcement within its communities providing training and organizing task forces of users. the baba ransomware gain has some notable exceptions for encryption. The ransomware extortion scheme has become commonplace with reds moore gangs charging wants to decrypt files and then demanding a second payment to not leak exfiltrated data the baba ransomed game recently published a site for its data leaks previously using hacker forms for the purpose an outline the number of that would not be audited with their encryption. This includes fairly typical exemptions like hospitals businesses with under four million dollars in revenue smaller schools and nonprofits however the book operators specifically state. This does not include foundations who help. Lgbt and black lives matter. Bleeping computer says this is the first time it seemed. Social considerations specifically called out by ransomware paying ransomware is not enough the. uk's national cybersecurity center published a cautionary tale of how not to handle the ransomware attack the post details and organization who agreed to pay millions and bitcoin to decrypt their data but failed analyze. How cybercriminals infiltrated the network in the first place to no one's surprise the ransomware operators replay their attack using the exact same mechanisms. The nfc points out that the real problem is that ransomware is often just a visible symptom of a more serious network intrusion. That may persist for days and possibly longer it's unclear how many resume generating events the second attack caused in the organization. Jeff bezos steps down as amazon. Ceo the amazon founder and ceo said during the company's earnings call that he will step down as ceo sometime this summer chief executive of amazon web services andy chassis will be promoted to fill throw at the start of q. Three jazz been at amazon. Since nineteen ninety-seven basil's will remain with the company as executive chairman last friday. We hosted a fantastic see so series video chat all about hacking. Byod an unmanaged devices looking at how to define find and secured these increasingly common presences on your network if you missed tuning in on friday. Don't worry we've got a highlight video available over at sea so series dot com. And while you're there be sure to click on the register for video chats button. We host these chats every friday at one pm eastern. See you there. 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Donkey Of The Day: University of North Carolina Trustees Denies Tenure For Author of 1619 Project
"Your shows right. Well then listen up if you've expanded internet entertainment starts at free with flex so you can get really into your shows. Find your favorites faster with just your voice. The office from peacock to hbo. Max end disney plus the whole squads here the falcon and the winter soldier. And he's moving. It's a way better way to watch. Restrictions apply subscriptions required to access streaming services including disney plus requires postpaid xfinity internet excluding essentials one device included additional devices. Breakfast club bitch who's donkey the day-to-day yes doggy day. For friday march twenty first goal is to the board of trustees at the university of north carolina for denying tenure to macarthur foundation genius grant winning pulitzer prize winning journalist. Nicole hannah jones tropicals kohana jones demand as heavy with this one. Okay if you don't know nicole. Hannah jones is number one. You need to read more and number two. You need to read the sixteen. Nineteen project sixteen nineteen project. Well it simply truth okay. It'd the honest to god. Truth about america's history and enduring consequences slavery okay to sixteen nineteen project simply examines the legacy of slavery in america. And you know as well as i do. That nothing has historically pissed off white supremacists in america than a negro who is telling the truth especially the truth about america and i spell it with three case not back. In april university in north carolina announced that nicole. Hannah jones would in july join the hussmann school of journalism and media as denied chair in race and investigative journalism. I mean has there ever been a person more overqualified for position. You would think nicole hannah. Jones will be no brainer to get a tenured position but not when it's us versus white supremacy. Would you like to know why she didn't get the tenured position. Let's go to the hill for the report please. The university of north carolina chapel hill did not approve tenure for new york times magazine. Journalists and sixteen nineteen project lead author. Nicole hannah jones after conservative groups complained about her higher at the school. Dnc policy watch reported wednesday dina. Unc's hussmann school of journalism and media. Susan king to- policy watch quote is disappointing. What we wanted. And i'm afraid it will have a chilling effect. Hannah jones was recruited for the night chair embracing investigative journalism which at the unc chapel hill. Campus is typically a tenure position typically a tenured position. They didn't give cole. Hannah jones the position because a pressure from powerful conservative. That's just the truth to the matter. Okay people like mitch. Mcconnell who say things like sixteen nineteen is not one of the most important points in american history sixteen to eighteen year. I and slave africans were bought and sold in virginia beginning of american slavery. Which essentially was the beginning of america being the economic powerhouse. It became how that not an important date in american history. Mitch mcconnell and thirty eight others senate. Republicans went out of their way with other things going on in the world to talk into kohana jones into sixteen nineteen project and wrote a letter to the education secretary to ban sixteen nineteen project and demanded it be removed from federal grant programs. Let me tell you something. America and especially black america when they fight this hard to keep you from something. Run to it when you see old white men especially politicians trying to bury something. Dig it up. Okay you all should be downloading the sixteen nineteen project podcast right now. You should be google in sixteen nineteen project binded and read it because they are trying to keep the truth from the american people because of the late. Great maya angelou once said if you don't know where you come from you don't know where you're going okay. You can't really know where you're going until you know you have been the damn shame. Board of trustees the university of north carolina is being complicit and making sure this country dozen kit to where we need to be okay board of trustee the university of north carolina when he realized that not. You're blocking deliberation a black people which is keeping this country from moving forward in a positive direction. Because i've told you a million times with the finger pointed at ya ain't no good. Come to america until they do right by black people. Do you know why they really don't want to tell the truth about the history of america. It's simple data on. Want us pushing for old. The us and that's reparations. I really feel this is just about business. This is about economics. American learns the true history of america. Then people start questioning things when people start questioning things start changing things and the last thing america needs all racist genders and sexualities unifying behind the cause of black people. Truly getting what they deserve in this country which is reparations. Because my sister angela ryan says we built his joint for free. Okay my daddy used to tell me if you want to hide something from a black person. Put it in a book when you hear stories like what. The board of trustees unc is doing To nicole hannah jones. You realize how they made it illegal for black people to read and write and not only. Are they trying to suppress the true history this country. They had trying to discourage future nicole. Hannah jones okay. They don't want black people telling the truth you now sick they are that god shine his light on the kohana jones had our win. All those awards bought all is attention to the sixteen nineteen project exposing so many folks to the truth and now they want to attempt to make an example out of her to scare any other negro out there into not speaking truth to power. I don't see how we ever going to defeat white supremacy when we have folks like board trustee the university of north carolina bowing down to white supremacy. Hey a trustee the university of north carolina. Okay you should be accomplices to what's right. Not what's wrong okay conservatives. I thought you hated cancel coach. Thought y'all hated folk silencing y'all this feels very liberal snowflake issues y'all say conservatives okay. I thought y'all the tough ones. You can't handle the truth from a black woman. I need to stick to the plan. Giving her a tenure okay. Boorda trustees at the university of north carolina instead of fixed five year terms of of as as professor of the practice. Especially when usually that comes with a ten position okay salute the faculty and staff at the university of north carolina who is calling out the board of trustees standing up and saying this is wrong. God will bless you for telling the truth and shaming the white supremacist devil. Cleveland chelsea handler. Give the board of trustees at the university of north carolina. the biggest. he he he. That is way too much. Dan mayonnaise now. Do you all feel like having a petty party. This morning is going to take some time out of your day. You're going to have to rsvp if it okay. Listen to me. Get a pin. Put your phones up. Put this in go to be. Ot dot unc dot edu. that's b. o. T. dot unc dot edu. That stands for board of trustees. Go there and go to membership an email all those people and tell them on the radical black truth side of history and not the white lie side of history. You can go to What did i say be. Ot that unc dot edu. Go to membership. And you'll see the whole board of trustees the university of south carolina. It's a whole lot of mayonnaise and one sister I can only imagine what she goes through dealing with all of these folks but yes go their email all of these people richard stevens Our gene davis david bolag jefferson brown g monroe kobe. Just go there and email them and tell them to get on the radical black troops side of history and get away from the white lie side of history. Do that today. All okay saluting the kohana jones. All right well thank you for that donkey of the day now. Dog today is brought to you by office of michael s. Don't be a doggy. Dial pound two fifty on your cell and saito bull in a construction accident. That's pound two five ot from yourself and say to bowl today on news four four. We're working for you. An inside look at local covid vaccine trial for kids. What children reported days after getting the shot and how it could impact the time of kids being vaccinated today at four pm on nbc. Four to nothing makes the voice live rounds. An nick. jonas wants his first win. Must get this. Who's got what it takes. An whose dream ends here. Watch live and vote to save your face. The voice live rounds. Tonight on nbc.
Episode 634: Visibility Through Volunteering (Classic Podcast)
"Hello this is Priscilla Rice. And I'm coming to you from live oak recording studio this week we're going to have a rebroadcast of one of our earlier classic. PODCASTS ED casts. We hope you enjoy it and thanks so much for listening episode three hundred sixty two visibility through volunteering. You're listening to the official. Bni podcast with BNI founder and chairman Dr Ivan Meisner Stay Tuned for networking and referral marketing. Tips from the man who's been called the father of modern networking along with suggestions and insights into getting the most from your membership in the world's largest just networking organization being. Hello everyone and welcome back to the official being podcast brought to you by networking now dot dot com. which is the leading site on the net for networking downloadable? 's I'm Priscilla Rice. And I'm coming to you from live oak recording studio in Berkeley California yeah. I'm joined on the phone today by the founder and the chairman of being eye doctor Iowan Meisner. Hello Ivan how are you and where are you hi Priscilla. I am doing great and as you know I've been terrain much of Europe for being I and this week I'm in the beautiful Paris Uh We brought my wife and we're taking a little bit of time for ourselves as well as pulling away to do these very important podcast. That sounds so wonderful. I wish I was with you. It's Well it's it's part of our twenty fifth wedding anniversary so it's you know probably just off. Okay well I won't Hitchhike onto your trip so today. We're gonNA talk about something. I haven't talked a lot about in podcasts and that's a visibility through volunteering and Starting with my very first book which most people don't realize the world's world festival marking Seeker was actually my first book. My second book. My first book was UH networking for success. And I think it sold twenty copies like like nobody knows about it. But even in that book I talked about the importance of diversifying your networks and And Social Service organizations organizations. I should say were one of the kinds of groups that I recommended in other words. Volunteering and I've been pretty consistent with that over the years I think volunteering is a great way to get visibility in the communities and so I recommend it so what I do here for. Being members is to kind of give some ideas ideas on what kind of groups and what you think about when you're volunteering for service organizations so one of the first steps towards networking your business is to being more visible in the community Remember that people need to know you know they need to like you trust you to refer you volunteering. Can actually position position you to meet key people in the community connection with people who share your passion. It gives you opportunities to demonstrate your talents. Your skills your integrity integrity as well as your ability to follow up and do what you say you're going to do so instantly expands the debt and the breadth of your networking talking. And it's counterintuitive because people don't think you know volunteering I'm wasting my time from a business perspective not true you're making great contacts. I Made I have made some amazing personal contacts. It turned into professional relationships as a result of my involvement in various service club starting way way back with rotary. I was an active rotarian for over sixteen years and participated in a children's center When I was a young man it was a big brother now I'm on University Board of Trustees obviously I had the BNI foundation. And and so I think Volunteering is really important. I believe that people who volunteered demonstrate their commitment to a cause without concern for personal gain. You should be volunteering with organizations which have genuine interest in and concern about so you know if if administrators or volunteers or other participants. Think you're only in it for your own gain. Your visibility will actually work against you and it'll undermine your goals and you have to remember volunteering's not recreational national activity. It's a serious commitment to help fulfill a need in the community so defining organization or 'cause the lines with your interests you need to approach volunteerism tourism with a healthy level of thought and strategy. So many give you nine points to consider in Participating in service organizations stations are volunteer organizations one. What do you enjoy doing for yourself in your spare time and is there any connection to volunteering gene or service to the community in that area? To what hobbies do you enjoy you. An Example I. I Love Chess. I've always enjoyed chest. Yes so I volunteered for my son's Elementary School Chess Club for five years. It was a long term commitment every week for about three months I mean I worked my travel schedule around Doug on chess club but I loved it. It was is a great time to spend time with my son but also to serve the community and by the way the best way to learn anything is to teach it. I learned more about chess when I was teaching. Elementary entry. School kids So that was a hobby. I enjoy and I turned it into service to the community. What sports do you know? Well well enough to teach I Mike coached Martial arts at a children's Center for a number of years so you know. There's a sport that you really enjoy troy. There's a way to volunteer but brings you joy and satisfaction. What do you really enjoy doing You know for me. It was the big brothers and now university. I really enjoy working. I think because I teach at the university anymore. It's great to be active in in in in at least one way and so for me that brings me joy What social political or health issue are you passionate about because it relates to your family or are your friends we've talked about Priscilla the Meisner plan In the past and there's a health issue I kind of I I do I do. I do things politics and religion but Don't usually talk about him and being i. I find that they can be divisive in in a network But I am active politically am active in in my religion But health is something reasonably new since since My my diagnosis a few years ago and and told them now in remission some really passionate about that and I actually coach a Lotta people individually. Not for money. I'm it's I'm just volunteering. MISER PLAN DOT COM total volunteer effort And I talked to men. Mostly men sometimes women about cancer and about Health and nutrition as a way of of you've addressing it along with other things that you do so the I'm trying to give examples of what to do that might resonate with you now examples. I am giving people here. Priscilla may not resonate with them personally. But I wanNA give them examples of how I use these in my own personal way volunteer. And so you should be thinking about. If you're you're listening to this what resonates with you Tells her politics or whatever find something that resonates with you and that relates to you and based on the answers to those five questions. Here's number six. What are three organizations that you can identify that appeal to you? It could be youth leagues libraries. Clubs Clubs Activist groups church groups homeless shelters choose the one or two. That most appeals to recommend one to start with that most I appeal to you and research the group online and in the community. That's number six number seven now that you've research group I'll give you an opportunity to meet meet one of your professional or personal Willie gives you an opportunity to meet one of your professional or personal goals if you if you make a connection. Action there Will you have an opportunity to connect with other people. That will be supportive of you in business in one way or another it certainly has been for me and my work with Rotary Club. Years Ago even serving meals at a homeless shelter. Believe it or not I I made some great contacts with other business. Professionals were like-minded my involvement in the children's center Almost every place I volunteered. I've made great personal and professional connections. I think about what what kind of connections you're looking for and visit the group. Oh visit the group and tried on. See if it's a good shit for you. Number Eight is now that you visited the group. T- still want to make a final commitment of your time because volunteering. Your time takes time time and you've got to really commit to nothing worse than really saying you're going to fulfill some needed. A service organization has and then letting them down. especially if you're talking about kids that's really important And then number nine are there are other group members Satisfied with the organization so talk to a few people that are in that group before you make that final commitment interview them find out what they think. Think about the organization and what difference. They're making in the community now. I haven't been able to do that in every organization but most of the ones that I've participated in I've talked to Several people who were part of that organization so that I could hear some opinions from the people you know where the rubber meets the road and they're doing the work so those are the things. What do you enjoy in your spare time? What hobbies do you ha-? Do you enjoy what sports do you know well enough to teach what brings you joy and satisfaction. What social political or health issue? Are you passionate about them. Based on those five questions narrow it down to a few organizations and research one of for those groups visit one of those groups and talk to group members who are in that group and then once you've researched it and talk to people. He group join a group and begin to volunteer for the visibility piece of v. c. p. visibility credibility ability profitability. But you'll find chill also establish credibility. I really established credibility in my communities. Where where I have lived By volunteering by doing fund raisers at my House by participating in the nonprofit boards Look for leadership roles in the same way. I recommend that you be on the leadership team and be an. I look for leadership team who looks for leadership roles in as you volunteer. And you'll find that that'll put you out in front and show others how good you are at what you do. So I'd love to hear from being. I remember remembers. I'd love to see if you have anything you WANNA add Priscilla but I'd also love to hear from remembers. What organizations do you participate in and and what questions you recommend Someone asks that I didn't cover today. That might be value to our listeners. And that's my that's my material for today Priscilla. What do you think I think that's great and I just want to say that I've done that? By being on the board of directors of an arts and Music Organization called Living Jazz Dot Org. And it's it's been added to my life in so many ways and I've enjoyed it and participated in all their projects and I think it's just a great experience. Yeah you know if you're volunteering. Tyranny areas that you're passionate about it doesn't feel like hard work and it doesn't feel like it's a a real press on your time and your or networking people told me that's really important. I'm beginning. I think you're right. Well I think that's a wonderful podcast and I hope all all of our members take advantage of your ideas. Yeah thank you and remember if you're NPS is a great way to generate business. But don't don't cave dweller get out connect when your community and volunteerism is a great way to do that. I encourage you to do so by the way. Be An ice got a foundation. We we every year. We do some fundraisers worldwide and If anyone's interested in Supporting the foundation which focuses on children education. Go to be an eye foundation dot Org Foundation Dot Org and there's a way that members worldwide and volunteer extra. Absolutely all right. Thank you Dr Meisner. Well I'd just like to remind the listeners that this podcast has been brought to you by networking now dot com which is leading insight on the net for networking downloadable. 's thank you so much for listening this is Priscilla Rice and we hope you'll join us next week for another exciting episode of the official his show. Be An eye podcast.
Episode 54: Starting School with COVID-19 in 2021
"The views thoughts and opinions expressed during this or any broadcasts belong solely to our guests for our hosts. These broadcasts do not represent or reflect views of their employers sponsors or affiliated organizations. Welcome to the flip bore. Edu podcast with your host. William geoffrey where we collaborate communicate and educate with the greatest educators in the world on clipboard. Let's start the show. Welcome back for the fan. This is your favorite coast coach. Jeffrey and in a perfect world there would be no cygnus especially no covert nineteen as i was looking forward to the end of the pandemic the delta veer weirdest it is nearly twice as contagious. As the previous strains of the virus studies from canada and scotland patients infected with the delta variant more likely to be hospitalized in people infected with original virus eighteen twenty twenty one the cdc recommends that children over the age of twelve be vaccinated more than ninety eight percent of us residents merrily of an area with a high or substantial risk of kobe. One thousand nine hundred community transmission. This is from only nineteen percent a month ago. Cnn reports and this episode we speak to the education community about starting school with covert nineteen. Twenty twenty one. We asked various educators to share their thoughts on mass vaccinations and their hopes for the school. So like we always do. At this time let's collaborate communicate and educate with the best educators in the world. Right here on clipboard. Eating podcast welcome back to the fan. This is your favorite coast coach jeffrey. I'm going to do something a little bit different. Because i really wanna hear educators voices multiple voices as we talk about. What's going on. And i can only talk about what's going on around me simply because of the things that i see. I don't want to provide an opinion because opinions cloud things. And i just wanna state the facts. I wanna go over the facts In this episode we have a couple of recordings that come from just situations that are going on. In the state of texas specifically there is disability rights group that sewing our governor over the band for the mass because they feel that Students with disabilities are at risk for catching the delta variant and this originally appeared in the dallas morning news also too. We have rachel triesman from npr's a recording of how texas school make bass part of his dress code to get around governor abbot span. And then we look at how local leaders in texas are defying. The governor's ban on mass mandates. This is just you know what's going on around us as we try to go back to school. One of the issues that happen in a texas school was that there was a meet the teacher night and during this meet the teacher night. The teacher had on a mask and a one of the parents. Pull the mask off of the teacher during the me to teach night. You know it's a lot going on with people when people being on ed teachers being on age and educators being on aid so just something to keep in mind. I'm wanna play these things for you just to show you give you a glimpse of what educators are now having to go through and his second round of cova and it's it's very eye opening. Just take a listen. The corona virus is again tearing through texas infections hospitalizations and cova. Dads are all up in fact. Just today governor. greg abbott's office says he tested positive though. He is not symptomatic. He's being treated at home as npr's john burnett reports. The diagnosis comes in the midst of a battle between local leaders. And the governor. Who's been threatening to sue leaders who are telling children to wear face masks in texas. Nearly three million public school students under twelve are headed back to classrooms this month. They're too young for vaccinations and some public officials are. Alarmed breaks my heart to picture. These kids in the classrooms. Hire percent capacity. No mask with a more transmissible variant. Lena he dow go is county judge of harris which encompasses houston with the nation's seventh largest school district. Houston has joined dallas san antonio and austin in a public health mutiny by telling students and staff. They have to wear masks on school grounds as elected leaders. We're responsible for the health. And the safety of the community and that is the responsibility that school superintendents and principals have right now when it comes to our children. Texas has turned into a checkerboard of differing school. Rules regarding masks on sunday the texas supreme court sided with abbott and instructed dallas schools. They could not force masking dallas however remains defiant saying protecting children from the delta variant is more important than following orders from austin. Some cities have gone. even further. san antonio is not only sticking by its mass mandate but it's requiring all teachers to be vaccinated. A separate court ruled in favor of san antonio. Scott braddock is editor of the core. Report a statewide political newsletter. Now you have officials at the local level saying at least you're not going to help us get out of the way but that doesn't seem to be where we're headed. Abbott has doubled down on his lazy fair mask rule. The path forward relies on personal responsibility. He said in a statement not government mandates other school district. You're backing down from forcing students to wear masks. Either to stay away from litigation or the governor's ir politics are also a factor texas. His biggest cities are going their own way. Because that's where the delta variant is surging dangerously intensive care units are so overwhelmed that some cities such as austin and san antonio have erected oghlo tents in parking lots. Abbott has appealed to out of state health workers to come help out overtaxed texas hospitals while the governor stresses personal choice. The state health services department is unequivocal with this. Psa when parents ask me if they should get their children vaccinated for cove nineteen. I recommend that they get that child the vaccine. Meanwhile critics are blaming. The nation's cova spy on unauthorized migrants at the border. It's true that texas is experiencing an unprecedented flow of migrants crossing the rio grande. More than two hundred thousand encounters last month surpassing at twenty year high. Some of them do carry the corona virus. But that doesn't mean that diseased foreigners are somehow driving the pandemic. This is an old truck. It's been around for a long time. Dr joe mccormick is a former. Cdc epidemiologist who's been at the university of texas school of public health brownsville campus for the past two decades given the level of transmission in the country could not possibly a few thousand people coming across the border and going to their families in various first country. Epidemiologically doesn't work. This says dr. Mccormick is a pandemic of the unvaccinated as up today fewer than half of texans of axed and the vast majority of hospital cova cases are people who never got the jab john burnett. Npr news austin texas. School made masks part of its dress code to get around governor abbot span. A school district in northeast. Texas has found a creative way to get around governor. Greg abbott span on mask mandates. The paris independent school district will now require students to wear masks as part of its dress code the paris. Isd board of trustees said in a statement that it believes the dress code can be used to mitigate communicable health issues and amended accordingly to protect the district students and employees. The texas governor does not have the authority to usurp the board of trustees exclusive power and duty to govern and oversee the management of the public schools of the district. It continued nothing. In the governor's executive order thirty eight states. He has suspended chapter. Eleven of the texas education code. And therefore the board has elected to amend its dress code consistent with statutory authority. It will revisit the change monthly. The board made its decision after an emergency meeting. Tuesday when parents district employees and local doctors discussed the subject for more than an hour. According to the paris news the change to the dress code is not permanent and will be revisited at each monthly board meeting abbot. Who announced tuesday that he had tested positive for the corona virus despite being fully vaccinated has been fighting with local governments over masks for months in july. He extended an executive order that prohibits government entities including school district from requiring face coverings local leaders in cities including houston dallas san antonio and austin have defied the order and left their mask mandates in place. Now you have officials at the local level saying at least if you're not going to help us get out of the way but that doesn't seem to be where we're headed scott braddock the editor of statewide political newsletter. The core report hold npr. The texas supreme court handed abbott his first legal victory over the weekend when it struck down temporary restraining orders that enabled two counties to institute mass requirements. This story originally appeared in the morning. Edition live blog. Disability rights activists are suing governor abbot over his co. bid executive order which prohibits mask mandates is the latest move intended to protect kids in school while coded hospitalizations and deaths climb across the state. Here to talk about this is disability rights texas attorney robert. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Your lawsuit claims at governor. Abbots order violates the federal americans with disabilities act. Could you kind of lay out your case for us. Why is that sure. And i appreciate the question. So you know. Parents of students with disabilities there basically being given in an impossible choice. You know. essentially the state is telling them you can either educate your child or you can expose your child to a high likelihood of severe illness and maybe even death. I think we all agree that in person instruction is the preferred and the best form of instruction but even parents wanted to do virtual because they find that in person that saved for their child. They can't this year because the state will not fund it in. So we're in this really tricky. Catch trains you for these parents. That could end has likely put their children in harm's way. So what is going to be your legal argument to judge about how this mandate violates. The americans with disabilities act sure. Essentially what has happened is some of our plaintiffs are not sending their kids to school because they know that their child is still higher risks that they will likely have a extremely high You know likelihood of facing severe kobe. Nineteen complications hospitalization long kobe. Which could be and we're still learning more about it. A lifespan disability and death and so basically what the governor has done in his order is he is You know essentially kicking those students how you know. They're not able to access education like their non-disabled peers. And even the ones that are attending are having to attend and experiencing severe anxiety and the prospect of exposing their relatives and their parents. Their friends outside of school to possible cope with nineteen transmission. Okay can you talk about some of the kids involved here you know. The kids at this lawsuit was filed on behalf of sure our plaintiffs are across the state All of the big metro areas. They're under twelve so that you not qualify this time for kobe. Nineteen vaccination and there's a variety of different disability types. Each just ability type is recognized by the cdc as high risk and so we do have some plaintiffs who have down syndrome if through cerebral palsy. They have severe asthma if immunosuppressed conditions And those are the types of students that are not gonna be able to go to in-person without you know seriously risky. Their lives in lawsuits. A lot of times take a lot of time in the near future. Is there a way that this could block. The governor's ban on mass mandates. Yes so today actually. A few hours ago he'd filed a motion for a temporary restraining order and other motion for preliminary injunction. Basically while this suit is pending. We hope that will allow what we hope. The judge will approve those motions. That will allow the school districts. Every parents to impose mandates. We hope all districts in the state once that's done will rely on that victory and do what's right to protect the lives of these vulnerable students. Okay we're we're at a time robert intro. Thank you very much for talking with us. Appreciate it. It's been a pleasure. Thank you subscribe to our flip board. Edu podcast magazine. Welcome to flip tips. Today's flip tip is how to get started with flip board very simple. I wanna thank janette spire interior reporter for coming up with our flipped his for today. The first thing you wanna do is download the app for your android or ios device. Second thing you wanna do is you want to create an account. Make sure you had a picture and complete your bio earth thing you wanna do. You wanna follow topics. There are at least thirty. Four thousand topics that you can follow up. Next thing you want to do is build your magazine navigate to the bottom of your profile icon and then select the collection options. Give your magazine the title. And you've built your first magazine. I wanna give a huge shot out for terry porter and genetics by on given us today's flip tips. One of the things. I try to do as an educator especially with this podcast is to collaborate and communicate with educators around the. I really would like to hear your voice to see where you're at check in with you. Foul means you can respond to my call on our flip board eating podcast magazine. I will post a link to where you can. Just give me a quick recording or you can go to flip dot com and that's why our website is and click on the microphone and leave us. Voice your corey. I would just love to checking in with our listeners. Checking in with the teachers to see. How's it going your community. Are you going to school are you. Do you have to be vaccinated in the state of texas. They're not requiring educators to be vaccinated in order to work. But i know in certain places they are and it's not mandated specifically why i am or you even to wear masks and that brings about a different conversation because when we look at schools of choice are you mandated to wear masks. The is that does that violate. You're right because someone tells you that you have to wear a mask. Those conversations that are very important to a lot of different people and it's important to teach students however was also still important to teach students. We have to teach students in order to be viable citizens and the one who really get the short end of the stick every single time whether we had a pandemic or not our students in poverty. I'll just like to know from you. The listener hit us up on our website as flipped. Edu dot com and click on the radio microphone. Leave us a message. I would love to hear from you. Just what's going on in your negative woods. of course. I can't be there but i would love to give you my platform and you welcome to. I'm just gonna ask that not too much profanity. This a little bit is okay but we just want to check in with you and how you're supporting yourself. How family is doing and also to your co workers being a teacher you give a lot and we also want to make sure that we're supporting each other so this is what's going on in my negative woods. I wanna thank you for telling me into. I want to thank crystal vander. Boom and alien. Lay lor for editing. This episode and i wanna thank the guess who had to back out of it looking at what they had to do. And how their school district look at them talking about it so i thank you for being honest but i also wanna thank school district for allowing me to have this platform to talk about things like this and to get perspective from around. The work is not necessarily smiled upon that people are talking about this issue. So i am very thankful for steven galloway and paul moody and our school board has allowed this platform to continue to do what i and i love it and also one thing flip. Forgive me this platform. In order to do what i do. 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Deaf President Now protest ended / Fall of Nojpetn - March 13
"T mobile believes that black history is american history and that together. we're unstoppable. That's why t mobile is proud to celebrate black history month by sponsoring a special episode of the daily zeitgeist podcast focusing on the unsung achievements of black americans. Now since you listen to this day in history class evert black stories from all around the world we've covered lorraine hands berry walter rodney zanzibar revolution and even the origins of black history month. So i think he'd really appreciate the special episode of the podcast. Dailies geist hosted by miles. Gray jack o'brien it was released on february thirteenth. So you can check it out now to learn about figures and events from american history who deserve more recognition than they're currently given envisat visit t mobile dot com slash like history to learn more today or join the conversation. Using hashtag unstoppable together. This episode is brought to you by comcast since two thousand eleven comcast is connected more than four million students from low income families to the internet. Now they're launching more than one thousand wifi connected lift zones in community centers nationwide to provide safe spaces to get online learn more at comcast dot com slash education. Hey y'all were rerunning. Two episodes today enjoy the show. What's up everyone. Welcome to this day in history class where we bring you a new tidbit from history. Every day the day it was march thirteenth nineteen eighty eight deaf president now. A student protests at gallaudet university in washington. Dc came to a close as a result. Doctor i king jordan was named the eighth but i death president of the university. Just another hearing person had been chosen as the seventh president of the university. Gala debt is a university for people who are deaf and hard of hearing so. This decision was a disappointment to many people on campus and in the death community. There were plenty of deaf. People were qualified for the position. People have been asking for a deaf person to be named president for a while and two of the three finalists for the presidency. Were death but the board of trustees had decided to appoint elizabeth as denser the only hearing candidate to the position. This sparked outrage in mark. The start of a week-long protests that catalyze change at the university and an american deaf culture in law jolly debt university was founded in eighteen sixty four but in all those years leading up to the protests in nineteen eighty-eight the university had never had a deaf. President considering is a university specifically for the deaf and hard of hearing. That may seem pretty ridiculous. But they're still prejudices against deaf and hard of hearing people and there was conflict within the community of educators of deaf people some educators dubbed manual lists support it using sign language to teach deaf students the other camp. The orientalists believe deaf people. Sit learn to read lips and speak so educators at gala de other schools for the deaf were mainly people who could hear some schools. Didn't hire any deaf teachers and in the beginning at gala debt. There weren't many deaf candidates who are qualified to be president of the university because education for the deaf in the united states was sorely lacking all of this is why by nineteen eighty eight gala debt had only had male presidents who could here but between nineteen eighty three and nineteen eighty seven. The school had trouble keeping president. It went through three of them in that short time when the seventh president jerry lee step down in nineteen eighty-seven the board of trustees began the search for someone who could take spot. A consultant was hired to make sure. The school found the best candidates by mid january. The pool was narrowed down to three deaf people and three hearing people and on february twenty eighth. The three finalists were announced. Dr harvey corson doctor. I king jordan. And dr elizabeth zinser corson and jordan were both death men while zinser was a hearing woman. By this point there was no valid reason for a deaf person not to be president of the university throughout the search for a new president deaf advocacy groups faculty and alumni have been lobbying for a deaf president. President george bush in civil rights leader jesse jackson had even made known their support for a deaf president of the university. But it was the action of the university students that really kicked the momentum into high gear on march first more than one thousand students faculty advocates in the deaf community and other supporters of the movement participated in a rally to demand a deft president over the next several days. The student body government president asked then third to withdraw. Students camped out in tents into tv crew came out to the campus so when the board of trustees interviewed each candidate on the fifth and the sixth. It seemed like there was a good chance. The next president would be death instead at six thirty pm. The board handed out press releases saying they'd pick zinser. The only hearing candidate and people were upset. Some of the protesters met with the board after interrupting a press conference. The chair of the board. In one of the trustees held but not much progress was made so students began boycotts. Sit ins and marches in protest of the board's decision by march seventh. Protest leaders have formalized their demands. They were that one. Elizabeth zinser must resign and a deaf person. We selected president to janesville. Step down as chairperson of the board of trustees three deaf people must constitute a fifty one percent majority on the board and four there would be no reprisals against any student or employee involved in the protest but the board did it but so the protesters for the death president now council. An assembly of students faculty staff alumni interpreters fundraisers and legal liaison the protest gate more media attention and on march tenth zinser announced her resignation on sunday march thirteenth. The board met and announced that they would honor the other conditions. Dr king jordan was named president. Jordan went on to play a role in supporting the americans with disabilities act of nineteen ninety and he remained president until two thousand and six. 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Hey all i'm eve. Welcome it to this day in history class a show where we one day ship nuggets of history straight to your brain through your ear hole. The day was march thirteenth. Sixteen ninety-seven the capital of the maya kingdom of petten eats a bell to spanish troops the city which was located in present day. Guatemala was the last center of maya resistance. The maya peoples are a group of indigenous mesoamerican. 's whose history dates to before two thousand three. They were centered in the yucatan peninsula and modern day guatemala and belize as well as parts of mexico honduras and el salvador the maya other southern lowland region reached their peak during the classic which began around two fifty e. The population size was large. Cities flourished historic monuments were built. The maya fostered great cultural development creating writing and calendar systems and building trade networks. They made advances in math and astronomy and are credited with some of the earliest pieces of rubber and chocolate. Their society consisted of a bunch of independent states but by nine hundred fi e mayan cities in southern lowlands were abandoned and a civilization in. That area had collapsed. Though the reasons for this collapse aren't completely clear. It could've been due to the degradation of the environment or conflicts between competing city states. But even after this collapsed mayan cities in the northern lowlands still forest and the maya established cities in the highlands region. The mesoamerican people known as the the lived in the yucatan peninsula and the post classic period which lasted from around nine. Hundred to fifteen hundred ce. They were descended from a maya lineage. In the fourteen. Hundreds the isa abandoned. Maya time the capital of yucatan yucatan. Dan transformed from a single kingdom. Too many rival states in the early fifteen hundreds as the spanish began. Colonizing the americas indigenous populations were decimated due to war and foreign diseases that the spanish brought with them. The the had established power poten- their capital was no putin which was on an island in lake. Petten isa in modern day northern guatemala but during the colonial period the population in the area began to decline in the fifteen twenty s spanish invader or non cortes pass through potanin came in contact with the potanin remained politically independent from the spanish for awhile. After they began their conquest on the continent the spanish launched several assaults against the isa and amaya group known as co woche also went up against the up for control poten- lakes region though they eat were successful in their resistance to spanish rule until the late seventeenth century nelson fell in sixteen ninety seven on march thirteenth. Spanish troops from yucatan led by martine attacked and occupied. No pretend this made no pertain. The last independent. Maya city to fall to the spanish. The spanish greatly affected mayan culture. Some mayan villages persisted independent of spanish authority. The island that was home to the city of no pretend is now home. To the town of florida's. I'm east coat and hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday. If you have any insight on an accident or pronunciation spoke in show today you can feel free. send us a kind note on social media. At t d. h. fee podcast. And you can send your thoughts or comments at this day at iheartmedia dot com. I hope you enjoy today's episode. We'll be back tomorrow with another one for more podcasts. From iheartradio vis the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows your home is more connected than ever. So when one kid's school in the competition it. The other is getting schooled. 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EP. 421 Ian Harris
"I've I think I've turned it off but but it's all a bit. It's all every time it does. It pings like obviously I've got my sound on so I can hear you guys. Did you get a message from one of your colleagues saying do not go on the Concourse? Whatever you do? It's going to end your career. That's a good that's a good shot. Yeah, did you hear that ping? But just came up that was another warning turn the volume down. I guess well, no, then I will go to hear you Italian wine podcast. Xin Xin with Italian wine people Hello, this is the Italian wine podcast me Monty golden. My guest. Today is Ian Harris in is the chief executive of the WSET which is a wine and spirit education trust. He and welcome very pleased to have you on the show delighted to be here. Let's where can we start? You have an incredibly interesting career. How did you how did you get into wine? How did you end up where you are? Well, yeah interesting is is a good way of describing it. It's been a really enjoyable career so far. I'm thirty-three forty-three years. And yeah, I started because I did friendship University and my intention when I when I went to University was to become a teacher wage. It's slightly ironic that I've come full circle into an organization that is involved in education. But I lived in as part of my degree course the third year of the four-year course was spent abroad and birth. Was very keen to continue playing rugby. So my tutor said, well you better apply for a position down in the southwest of France which I did and so I ended up being an assistant teacher at a school just south of bourdeaux got involved in putting volume wine as in tasting it because and then I had a Unreal so light bulb moment that made me realize that this is the industry wanted to get into one of my fellow teachers at the school invited me for dinner at one of her friends who owned a Vineyard in so turn I went along to this dinner. This is about two or three weeks into being in danger driving in France and it was the most wonderful experience in my life arrived at this Vin yard. It was October still still quite warm fantastic dinner. We went out into the vineyard and he the the page owner cook Tantra costs takes over a fire made from the vine cuttings, which were still lying in the VIN yard. We went back into the into the the house at about midnight and had some so turn with dead. Which completely open my eyes to the world of wine and that morning. So the next morning I got back to my apartment. I wrote to my mum. You said I'm not too sure about education the wine trade seems far more fun. And that was it here. I am for decades plus later. Okay. So so basically we're sort of hands-on experience in in wine that made you suck Shep's your has shaped your career. Yeah. It was really and when I when I would look to see how you get into the wine business because it was something I didn't really know much about it was a friend of mine or I played Cricket with who's who had an account with a couple of the fine wine merchants in the West End of London who said to me well if I I can bring along a Priceless with an address and a phone number and why don't you just write to them and ask if they got any jobs and that's exactly what I thought. I wrote one letter to one company as a result of which I had one interview and at the end of one hour I was offered a job, which I took very lowly job working in the cellars of of a dead. West the West End wine merchant but it got me you got my foot on the ladder. So I didn't get into a good trainee scheme or anything like that. Who was the wine merchant? It was chemical Christopher & Company who sadly no longer exist back then tried to boost was that they were the oldest wine merchants in London. So old that the their records had been burned in the Great Fire of London, so they didn't know quite how old they were dead. But if that was true that would have made them older than very brothers who currently claimed to be the oldest wine merchants in London. So you've got you've got into it through the sort of atmospheric side the love sponge and then you getting into the business side. You did have quite a interesting career working obviously working for that particular wine merchant, but then you work for a multinational which was that page. Did you get into involved with them? Yeah, that was Seagram. So Seagram big multinational wine and spirit company based in America originally founded in Canada. And Seagram was one of the top 4 multivac. The one in spirit companies and after ten years working in the in the traditional wine Side of Life by then. I was what thirty-two and I thought I'd show I really do need to get big, a Spirits. So I went to an agency and I was and I was on the sales side. So I was able to basically put myself up as a potential national account manager. So I I was interviewed by one company called edges and Butler which is part of bass the big Brewer and then in between one interview with them and the second interview the agency put me through putting out for a job and I had a first interview second interview entered into the Seagram. So I joined Seagram as as a national account manager looking after one of the biggest accounts, which was crazy, which is the Forerunner to what's now Diageo International distillers & Vintners indeed indeed. Yes, all those names are real blast from the past some people listen to a lot of people laughing. This book in that although there was a household names of anything to do with the the liquor trade. So before your current job, you taught the spirit sections of the diploma at the wind spirit education trust. How did you jump from from the kind of the shop floor, you know pounding the pavement and calling on people to buy your to buy your cats just be whether it's Spirits or wine. How did you get into the into the educational side? Well, it's it was more that I was only on the sales side for about a year and half at Siegel. I then moved into the marketing team as ran off your old Motel cognac. I spoke to a French so I've got some marketing experience in my previous role. So so I came out of the sales sales side. And as I said pounding the pavement so I became a bit of a product expert on cognac because I was I was running the brand in the UK and then moved into a global role with Martel which was owned by Seagram's and I just thought I knew her Fair bit about So I approached the wct. This is back in nineteen. Ninety to say if ever you need someone to teach about Brandy in general but content, like in particular give me a shout think I know quite a bit about it and a couple of weeks later. I got a letter in those days back saying would you we got a vacancy for someone to teach about spirits on diploma. Would you be available to do it so I did so it was it was again, So the full chooses letter but the right time so I started teaching the spirit side of the diploma from nineteen ninety pretty much every year until until Thursday. When was taken over in two thousand one with the exception of two the two years when I was working in France on the global Martel job. So it was a sort of natural fit really that I knew you knew of knew a lot about Kanye to do and it was an opportunity for me to pass that on and I as I said at the very beginning I originally wanted to be a teacher so it came became fairly naturally to me. I was one of your students by the work log. Yeah, I mean we know waiting to let you know that how long can I let him go before I leave before? Well, actually what what's the acid test is did you pass I did page. So that made one must have been a really good teacher you were you a fantastic still we're still remember people that's very kind of you to say. So yeah, I'm glad you've only just told you that. Yeah, okay, but okay. So what was the next step then? Well, well when Seagram was taken over by ironically GI Joe which was a company that I knew pretty well so Siegen was taken over by off and put a recording 2001. I was a director of Seagram UK and we were told very early on in the Takeover process that under Ricardo UK who were taking over our business unit wouldn't require the services of many indeed of any people from Seagram and certainly not the director's so I knew quite early on that. I was going to be made redundant dog. Like the the new owners of Seagram, so I started looking around to see what I should do. I was 46 all my friends in the business said, oh you'll have no problem. You know, everybody knows you you've got sales experience. You've got marketing experience. You'll you'll just you'll just walk into another job. Well, the phone wasn't exactly ringing off the hook with job offers and then I found out through the role of chief executive. The WSET was due to was going to come up and fairly probably pretty much around the time that I was going to be made redundant. So I just started the ball rolling and started to talk to one of the Board of Trustees because the wct obviously is a charitable trust and started the ball rolling and I had an interview in was just before Christmas. So December twenty two thousand one was offered the job in January 2002 and started in April 2002, which is pretty much the time that season was being taken over. So again, it's all the stars align off. That's a bit of a facet of my life. I see always seem to be in the right place at the right time. Yeah, but you make your own luck faster and that's the trick, but did they see both obviously as an excellent Communicator, you know for for whoever, you know, whether you're communicating with sales people or or less and members of the wine trade just getting into their first job, maybe in having to do the WSET exam am sort of under duress, but it was not just your communication skills. It was also your your business skills. I would imagine that sort of like a perfect fit for them. Don't be modest. Yeah. I'm going to say it's a very good question. I think the thing that clinched I think for for for me and for the people who gave me this job and it's the most wonderful job in the world is that I am absolutely passionate about the power of Education either or both for people who work in the industry who want to better themselves, but also for the industry as a whole because the more people understand about wines and spirits job. The consumers or the person selling it or promoting it at the point-of-sale the more people understand about the the wines and spirits who say they're going to consume the more they'll be prepared to pay the mortgage be prepared to experiment. So I my big soapbox when I joined the wct and the reason why they gave me the job in the first place was that they felt I could convince the the global industry about the value of education and treating education as an investment both in your people and also in your business and one of the first things I did when I joined WSET was to undertake a study with a company called Johnson wins who you will probably remember wanting throughout High Street High Street off-licence chain, and we did a test with them really to show the value of education and how if you could see qualification when you're working at the front end of a of a a wine-shop how you can actually trade people up and therefore put more put money on the bottom line. So that's that's that's really what my dead. Main Mentor has been for the last eighteen years since I took over. Okay, there is something what'd you say well on wins which was obviously people offshore went ever heard of them, but it wasn't the most expensive wine merchants or change a wine merchant to the United Kingdom, which is a huge consumer of wine and has been for about eight eight or nine centuries how exactly would train sets up, you know, so that the wave the gauge exactly the the the uptick in sales because of the staff being more educated and probably more enthused wage. I mean what we did we took Thirty of their stores and this is a joint initiative between us and onions. I knew the marketing director of almonds and but the time they were desperate for any sort of publicity because they were struggling so we basically cooked up this idea. We took off and she is their stores we split we cut them in half with demographics. So so you had one store in a particular area with a particular demographic and then another store in a dick. Area that was a very very similar demographic and and then what we did so basically we took Thirty stores cut them in half. So fifteen stores on one side of the page fifteen on the other both. So with matching demographics, we then put one half of them through a wct just a level one a foundation level wine program the others we didn't so we left them untrained we measure deepest Data before and after the training and taking place and there was a very significant uplift one thousand people that had just a basic induction into wine. They were able to trade people up. I actually myself went into a couple of them win stores. Just basically just a sort of test the waters Edge even before we got the test in place and I actually went into a nun wind store on the south coast of England and the guy managed to trade me down, which is a pretty cheap. They're pretty good achievement. I went in there song I'd like to buy an Australian Shiraz and I literally picked up a bottle us possibly Shiraz at about twelve ninety-nine. He should have said thank you very much. Sir. Give Me Your Money wrap it up off you go. He said, oh, I you know, we've got we got we got on promotion of 799. So the manager managed to trade me down from a an expensive bottle to achieve these bottles. So that convinced me that there's a job to be done but it was a piece of research that we did and we still use it today to be honest is still one of the best pieces of research to show that education adds value to your business. Okay? It's very interesting to hear that about the thought trading down. It's kind of I don't know if that's kind of like a British kind of trait where you you, you know, I don't know why but we are a little bit like that sometimes but yeah, I'm a I'm a little knowledge goes a long way. I mean, that's the other thing that you don't need to be a master of wind to be to have enough knowledge to be able to convince somebody to spend a little bit more on a bottle of wine or a glass of wine club. I was born in education changed at all levels in the modern era both in terms of you know, we can get almost any wine from any part of the world at any time of day or night off, of course social media and the fact that communicate with anybody across the the world at a flick of a switch. How is that affected or enhance the potential of wine education? I think it's enhanced it to be honest because the fact that there are so many wines available and the the UK's that as you said, it would be we've the 99 Cents and more we've been drinking we've been a great consumer of wine and the UK is still very much the shop window of the world's wine. And if you take the number of countries making making a wind is hellishly confusing and I know that you know, we're we're we're here on the Italian wine podcast, you know Italy is about as confusing as it gets for a lot of people so education actually takes off. Much more important role when people are being exposed to different products from different areas different grape varieties or different regions. If I go back 40 years ago in the UK, certainly, you know, you went into a an off-license because most people weren't dealing with fine wine merchants and you bought Brands, you know, you got correct or carry-on or anything else beginning with a c which you have no clue where it came from but it's sort of tasted. Okay, so that was that was a real thin end of the wedge. And now we're we're at a fascinating stage of in the wine industry. Whereas there's so much really great wine coming out of different countries that you've never believed could even produce wine and obviously England England up there with the best out. So education actually takes on an even more importance when you're dealing with a market that is so complicated. I mean in terms of in terms of the cobit situation at the moment, how is that affected off? How is it enhanced online learning? Well, yeah, I mean, it's it's been we close our school in in London in on in mid-march and most of our providers around the world trading in Italy. Actually, we've got we've got fifteen schools in Italy running WSET courses and well, you'll know how hard Italy was hit. So when the lockdown happens around the world that would put the mockers on all classroom-based courses and indeed physical examinations. We we already had an online educational offering which was pretty good but relatively small as a percentage of our business, but what we did when locked down happened and our business really hit the floor with physical course is not taking place was we fast-tracked what's called an individual Nation. So this is where you can do an exam now from the comfort of your own home on your own device or on your own computer or on your own phone, but because our qualifications are dead. Related so they are there in the UK framework of qualifications. They have to have to be an individual ation. You can't just do an online course fill out the questions, press send and ten seconds later. You get the results. We have to be assured the person doing the exam is the person who is supposed to be doing it. So there so we fast-tracked system called remote invigilation, which is where your films completing the exam. This is on the multiple-choice runs and you and you have to set up your phone as a second camera to check that nobody's walking in the room that you're not cheating. You haven't got an earphone in your ear with someone giving you the answers so this so this is something that we fast-tracked. We were planning to introduce it later in two thousand or Twenty twenty, but we we fast-tracked it really because it was it was going to be only game in town in in May though. We introduced it and it's still even now it's about 25% of the people doing a WSET qualification are doing their exam at home in there on Thursday. Device with their exam being invigorated by the system called remote invigilation and it will be it will be a game-changer for us going forward. Tickly in countries like USA wage and then we supplement we've now gotten a complete end-to-end digital offerings. So not just digital education and on-line examinations who is also just introduced ebooks three months. So you don't even have to get off your chair to answer the door for someone to deliver a book to you. So so it's a complete end-to-end it still offering then it really does open up lots of opportunity for us particularly in countries like USA when you go back to that time in Bordeaux where you sort of got the bug for the the drinks industry did you ever imagine you would end up being you know the head of the month important in education system in on the planet? No, I didn't actually and and and to be totally honest when I joined the trade back in nineteen seventy job And did one of the first things that happened was my boss sent me on a wct course of which I did and passed it and then did the next one and passed it and then did the diploma and the second attempt passed it off. I'm not sure I would have wanted to be the head of the publicity in those days cuz it was pretty sleepy. It was very UK focused were entirely UK focused and it was only really when when I thought I could see the potential for wine and spirit education that that it suddenly dawned on me that actually this would be a wonderful job to get but certainly no not in those early days. I was I was thinking more to get us when I was thinking about going to the wind. This is of having my own business doing a bit of import export but of course now, I know that that's that's a fantastic way to lose a bucket load of money because you know, the classic series of how do you how do you make a a small fortune in the in the wind trade start with a big Fortune? So now I had no no, no thought that I might be heading up this wonderful organization, which I now to age Yeah, you know what your your story about when you went you're young lad any went up to boot? Oh, that's exactly how I started in the wine trade as well. So cuz my French was terrible and I had a I had a French lady who was my former teacher and she basis. I don't want to see you next time. I was at boarding school. She said don't come back unless you've spent time in France and it's got a long story short one of my mates in thought you said next to me in school. He said listen when you come down to Bordeaux because my parents have links there and and ended up getting a job with a courtier on Van which is like a middleman. Well, yeah, that's right. Yeah the border the Auto industry wouldn't work without and with it and you know as mowing lawns and doing lots of those but I learned a lot and you know, when you talk about the power of Education dad was a Headmaster as well. I just think it's great that our industry has got this educational side to itself. I mean a lot of members of the public of Love wine and wage. They drink every single day obviously a moderation but being able to pass on the right knowledge of the right time in the right way to a person who can become a lifelong shareholding you like in Planet wine. I just think it's absolutely fantastic. I really do. I just knowledge that you you earn and that you gain is never ever wasted you I'm sure you'd agree wage. I would yeah and and it's and it's also it's it's it's a sort of socially acceptable thing to be able to talk about isn't it? And and I'm sure you get it Monday when you're meeting friends and they probably shovel glass pianos and gone in smart ass. What's that? You know, he said it's something that everybody wants to talk about it and it's it's it is such a lovely subject and it's also a subject that is changing on a daily wage yearly. Basis. What changes do you think our industry will see in the next coming years either of the production level or the education level or any kind of level? I think at the retail level is going to be more dead. More people buying wines online. I think that's a that's a sort of 21st century Trend that people have people are going to look for knowledge online and they're going to buy online the experiential of going to a restaurant or a wine maybe even a wine merchant to actually taste is still important, but the value of Education, I don't think diminishes people want to know why they should pay or why they picked by there being asked if they twenty pounds for a bottle versus a bottle that's making the same great variety, that's half the price but I think I think it's I think it's going to be consolidation at the production level certainly so smaller producers will probably be looking to to all get together but there's always going to be the space for the little one Merchant who is really proactive and sells so a little wine producer that sells through the Cellar Door, which effectively is is is the way that online can happen without having to give a big margins dog. Multiple retailers so I think the retail environment going to change whether you believe in climate change or not. I certainly believe the world is getting War that's going to have an effect on on the world in terms of production. We've already seen in England. I think it's going to be an element of survival of the fittest through whereas with anything because of To me that's part of the fascination buying, you know, not I'm not mentioning Brands by name but you buy one of these big Brands and the whole point is that it tastes the same year after year. Well, that's pretty damn boring. Actually. I I love the Vintage variation or any variation that comes through a winemaker doing something a bit differently with different blends or indeed, you know different different way of making wine. I think it's it's such a fascinating industry and and the people want to learn about it because because it is constantly changing and on that note a perfect segue. I took yesterday in Harris WSET chief executive and my former teacher is very very nice to hear your voice again about some of those old names from London and Europe is very much synonym, or is this really fascinating story and I really hope we can catch up again on the podcast another I'd love to cuz we're doing some really good stuff in Italy with 15,000. Seen places you can do a double s d qualification and and and Italy's absolutely flying for us in in times of covid-19. We're growing our business initially. So I'd be delighted to have another chat with you at some stage want to just let me know. All right. Listen, it's really nice to talk to you intake and best of luck with all your projects brilliant. Thank you much. Listen to the Italian podcast, wherever you get your podcasts. We're on Soundcloud Apple podcasts Himalaya FM and more. Don't forget to subscribe and write the show. 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Your Essential Nature | Podcast #5 | Spiritual Economics and the Shadow
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So shadow work and in what we were discussing prior to the podcast starting which might be in the podcast I haven't edited yet, so. We'll see you soon. But the shadows before within us. And how we often miss, what's right? Now this is good. This is good. I like to talk to a laugh track. And even when I'm being serious. Installed working into that confidence. Being recorded in front of a live studio audience. Thank you. We've got I don't. There's actually a thousand people in here right now. All conscientious. But. The shadow is is the part that is right in front of us, but we can't see oftentimes and day was talking about before was. Held there are so many different things within our society right now from. What happened with the rights and George Floyd. What's happening with the coronavirus? What's happening with economic system and everything else, and how we until we heal these deep wounds great. They. Keep on coming up. Yeah. I mean It really makes sense because I think that it's really just fear I've been thinking about this a lot because I'm I'm just thinking about, how can we? How can we unify? We don't really have somebody in leadership. WHO's talking about unifying and we have people with different? Goals or different fears really? Different agendas but I feel like I feel like ultimately, we really want the same things. I think that that is kind of where the where the answer is. Because really the thing is the reason that you're saying we can't. Pick up, what's right here in front of us is because we identify with certain things and we have certain. We have a fear of loss, so if somebody comes on and says oh well, there's racism going on, so we need to help this group out within people's. Some people's shadows. Come up right, and they're like. Oh, well! If we're going to be doing for them to take something away from me, right, you know, and so then they they get this wrong idea like there's this pie and will if they're getting something that's taking away from me and so I think that shadows come up and I think that it's really about that fear and I think really whenever we can get. In this communication I think that's really shining a light on naturally how we take care of shadows within us, and then also our our collective are social, the shadows. That's kind of in between us. It's just shining a light on it, and it's about communication because we if we realized that we talked to people, and we and we let everybody know that doing any kind of these talking about defunding police or or whatever. It's not going to take anything away from from anybody. In fact, everybody's just trying to live the same life that you live. That's getting harassed by police and all of that. That's what we're trying to have. Everybody in that really benefits everyone and I mean benefits. You just as much as benefits me, you know and I think if we can just open up lines of communication. And then we shed light on these kinds of subjects, and we just and we just listen you know then I think that that's really. How can we fight shadows within ourselves, and then how that kind of goes out into our our society, and how we interact with one another. By giving it a space to actually come to the surface into to witness it not push it away right right exactly embrace it, yeah. I. Find that. You know at least for myself and sort of what I what I feel from other people who have a problem with saying black lives matter that. That the the. When we're dealing with that kind of. Shadow that kind of emotional agenda, it's really it's. It's a something inside of you. That really needs to be seen. It needs attention in and of itself so. I have I have friends and acquaintances that have a problem with with saying black lives matter. And what I feel from that is that there's a part of them. That needs to be seen in the same way, and again it comes down to what you said you. Mike about. Their there there's deep fear of like well if they say yeah, black lives, matter and Focusing on black lives that somehow something's going to be taken away from them like an opportunity for for their wounds to be seen. He's going to be taken away and they won't get their turn. Yeah, but we live in an infinite universe, and the more we worked together. The more we create. Yeah, so it's it really is like bring that. Creating that space for people to see how how much is generated from from that work? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. Think so and just really whenever were? Able to look at it, I mean there's so many things, and if you just, if you just take it like just that phrase at their black lives matter I mean that just out of context I mean. Why would anybody have a problem with that? That phrase just right then, but okay. Let's put it in context, and it's just like well. You know people say well. All lives matter you know, and it's like you know there's a couple of things and that's absolutely true. You know all lives do matter but It's like. Nobody was really saying them before before. All of this you know whenever people are saying black lives under before that people were saying all those men, and it didn't really feel to a lot of people who didn't feel like all lives matter. It didn't feel like that to me. You know what I mean like my life better than a lot of there's been a lot of situations where where it doesn't. where it didn't feel like my life matter, and then the other thing is, it was just like well. You know if all lives do matter than. Why aren't you mad to? You know it's like if you're really thinking about this, if always matter and then you see something like that happened then it's like. How can how can this be? How can this not anger you just as much as you know what I'm saying is like because they've been surprised as well and both your points, there's this idea of limitation or scarcity. Yeah, you know we're we're. We're race in a world where we limit the love that we to each other great. You have to earn everything and we talked about a few weeks ago. The idea of Entitlement or otherwise, but there are certain things that are available that when you one person, you don't mean everyb- everybody. And it yet all lives matter, but to your point. We didn't talk about that before. A better analogy though I, heard recently was. If you look at at the United, states as a body as a physical body because we're all interacting together, it's like if you pour gasoline into lake. You're going to it everywhere when you pour poison somewhere. It's GONNA spread right so for one body within this country we could say maybe the black community is a leg or the arm or the heart, or whatever part of the body that you you want to. Describe that too absolutely. That part matters, and if that part is not healthy, it affects a whole body. Yeah, so you know. The eljay heard was imagine a broken leg and now as a country. We're trying to walk on a broken leg. We have to be in fear of each other when we pressed one another. And when you suppress a group of people. You will them to extremes. I've done unsure. Villanova panels done things in their lives that they. Would not do now because we're in different places within their life, but when you're desperate, you put yourself through anything, and if you lift people up and support them, then they become trustworthy, and they become loving and become your neighbor that your enemy. Yeah I love that idea, and so what I what I've been really thinking about La is so with everybody thinking the different ways that they think you know thinking about this country or really this entire world. It's like how can we and this is something I might even kind of. Try to involve you elected to think about because it's like. How can we talk to everybody. With when unifying voice, because if there's if there's a group of people who are like well, I don't know. If there's a group of people that doesn't think that group of people matters you know what I'm saying, it's like what can we say? What? How can we unify like so? I was listening to a podcast. neograph Thais in talking about they found water on Mars, and maybe we find microbial life, and if we would, what would that mean for earth you know it might be. That might be the them that makes us call us than us. You know what I mean. An just kind of I was thinking like what what other kind of phenomena can happen. Because every alien movie we ever seen unifies right. Every movie ever watched before, and it unifies human rights. Because now we have that we can all round. and. You see that with with. Autocratic and dictatorial regimes where they find a common enemy. Know in this case, it's kind of interesting because. I'm probably second or third generation American and around the early twentieth century. Irish were looked upon those same way. We look upon other ethnicities now Italians were to. Day Irish need not apply. Yeah, the signs yeah, yeah, which I got, I actually created my own job. I can't be fired. You'RE GONNA have to play. But to your point I mean we have a scapegoating group. I read a book years ago from Richard. Linklater. It was fast food nation and they talked about how I. Just have a social sweets made taste right now. Just see you smiling as compliment. The juice it's. Glowing. You're glowing. Deep. The frame the other side of the frame the. The IMF a believer. Immigration Nationalization Naturalization Service is bringing into. We're in. People from south of the border to jobs that we don't want to do, and then they were shipping them back. This is actually been orchestrated by the government for a long time long time. Yeah, and we say well. They're stealing our jobs. No, this is actually part of an overarching plan, and it creates more division within us by seeing this other, but I see them as the same thing as maybe my Irish ancestors who came here just trying to create a better life for themselves, and if you look at it from scarcity model, then, of course, you're taking something from us because there isn't enough to go around, but we live in the wealthiest nation in history of the world. We have so much to go around and yet we persist with the narrative that there is not enough. So. How do we? How do we shift that that That viewpoint mean all it is is just like a little a little bit of shifts so that we can be able to to help to so that it will all go around I mean throw half of our food. You know what I think. Getting back to what you're saying is. Earlier is putting the spotlight on. You Know Situations Times things whatever where when people come together and worked together, they create an abundance. Because, it's it's A. It's just a shift in understanding that win more people come together and actually work together more abundances created. Yeah, exactly we can never run out. We have almost eight billion people on this planet and. Sixty seventy years ago. The whole nation of China was starving to death. They you know there's estimates that they lost twenty million people because they didn't have enough to eat. But but and I don't even think we had a billion people then. Maybe a little bit more than a billion, but now we've got like almost eight billion. We still can feed everybody. Yeah, yeah we're not. GonNa run. Their mindset about it. But pathetic to that point it's it's the idea of supporting one another. Yeah, so I had this this notion. Maybe, we discussed this before. But indigenous people tend to have low to no depression and suicide rates degree. Lose people, but they don't go through the depression and we go through. When you isolate people, you take them away from their tribe, which is effectively. What's happened? Recently you make them behold known outside agency, which is what's happened recently. And when you actually have a strong community, you don't worry on those fronts because one is supported so I was talking to a patient, and she said you're not worried, and I said no, because I love you. and. You love me. And I have many people that I loved. It loved me back. And I've had many people come in and said I've been worried about you and I hope that you're supported everything like that, but that's a blessing or prayer, but everyone that I. Care for becomes a link that cares for me if you think about it within the tribe when you lean to one way, people helped to lift you up when you lean the other way. People up for so isolated it. When we leaned to one side, we fall in. We blame the other person who didn't support it didn't didn't. Give us the support that we needed because they were never given themselves never shown that support that is just issued. Demonstrated with demonstrated to them. And this I mean this goes back to the early days of the industrialization of the world. The Industrial Revolution where? Prior to that the. Vast majority of jobs were. either. A small businessman or farmers, same thing right and on a farm small community like five. Interesting. And so on a farm. In. The family is working. The far everybody's involved the men, the women the children. Everyone's involved. And with the industrialization of the world, what happened was the men were taken away from their families. And put in these boxes for you know. Eight to twelve hours. A day wasn't eight hours. It was more like twelve to sixteen hours a day. Something ridiculous, so they were taken away from their families. Their children didn't get time with them. And their wives and get time with their wives were not a part of the economy. They were completely solely dependent upon the man's income. And it just creates start creating chaos in our society and I think even though right now. We're going through this period of isolation. One of the things that's coming out of. The covid nineteen response is that companies are realizing that people don't need to be in an office to do good work, and they can start being back in their homes. They can be back in their communities. They don't have to go somewhere else to make a living and I know that that's a big shift for a lot of people. Some people don't want to be at home. Yeah, because they're not used to it. But as you get people back, you know the majority of their time surrounded by their families and their communities, and not isolated in these giant offices I think we will start to heal again an any you. You actually experience that with your work. You know like you were saying that you've actually enjoy this time and that you've been effectively. Transitioning with your work more at home yeah. Yep. Well, I don't know like. I just for me. I'm really lucky because I'm young. I'm single I. Don't have any kids except adorable cat, but it's questionable. ADORABLE! If I didn't have my phone. Okay, cute concert! You're off the panel. Flat earthers. Cat capper. No but. Yes like I other than my airbnb guests that Kinda get in my office. The the room. That has my desk space I don't know that I would like it like if I had an actual family. You mentioned once that. Leaving for work keeps that work energy. There, so that when you're and you're like you're inhaling mode. You're in creative mode. When when you're in home, you're in like just focused Mo- like there's not that intermingling of I should be working because the work energy is in your home environment. What's important? It is important to have a Home Office so area in your home. That's that's that's all you ever good right but I'm saying like if I had family or three kids running around and a dog. Or other things I, just like wouldn't even if there is that one office I? Just don't know that That's enough seclusion because you're going to have the kids screaming, you know. Exactly that like you can feel it already. That's going to transcend and then when you got this in the background, you're not actually. undividedly focused here and. So I! Don't know. Proofing in and and NYQUIL. Has always been a second family for me. Though you know what I mean like a third of your life, there's lay exactly exactly the people you work with like you feel like kindred onto them. Work Family for Shit. Yeah, precisely and I. Don't know that I would want I. Don't lose that. I made that decision. Already said I never WANNA. Come back into the office ever again ever. I don't think this will rebuilt for a while and I would say I think this is a generational wound, and it's so deeply embedded in the psyche of our culture that it's GonNa. Take a while to heal for people to go. Yeah, no, this actually is a lot better. Or maybe it was just the wrong work family. No But. I mean it's. It's the environment on one hand, but it's also I think like the freedom like if you if you enjoy going into that work environment. And teach you in some way the work environment in before in the past that federal, which is what caused you to move out of them, and and I would actually say the corporate places I'd worked. I didn't feel a connection I almost felt like a number felt this cold indifference. I felt like I could have had like cattle number on me and that would have been equivalent like I I was basically a number or coggin machine. Every. Work Environment is like yeah. I never had like I was the light. That wouldn't allow that I wouldn't want in my life every time. Every time. I was getting a a license whether it was like to become a CNA or. Gosh even my nursing classes, which are just tough as heck Every time the instructor would say, Wow, I've never had such an amazing group of people that had such chemistry, and like I knew like. Instinctively I knew it was because of me and I was setting that intention. You know what I mean like yeah. So often that people will be like it's her. You know so. I've always liked. The people that I've worked with mostly for the most part, there's always difficult. Give us a list. We're GONNA. Send this to them. But I just like I don't ever WanNa, be in like a corporate office environment ever again. So you can, you can love the people, but the environment is still, and I would say the environments, even causing them to express. Wait isn't really then anyway. Yeah It's about the culture really from you just feel like it's about the culture in the ownership and the the leadership, and all of that like what kind of toner they setting. What kind what are they tolerating? Culture the are they creating and I think that that is something that. Is Maybe the maybe the business world is kind of that shadow aspect of themselves because there's a lot of applied empathy. A Book I just got done reading about people who are going into businesses such as. General Electric. And then even like. Like the West Point you. The United Nations places like this in their in their infusing empathy, and then these these businesses are coming away and they're saying we need. This is something that we need. So I think that people are seeing that. The the way to even affect the bottom line positively is to not look at everybody like a cog in the wheel, not look at everybody like a number of but to actually have these personal relationships and emotional intelligence. Warmth. Evidently important in every aspect of everything we do, and especially in business, and I think that's really cool, because it's showing it's sewing that their money is actually improving because money as a result, right and and it's. It's showing that this is actually the way to go, and they're having meditations, and they're showing that in a few years. If you don't have some of these mindfulness practices, you're GONNA. GonNa get left behind because of these other ones that are focusing on empathy and are being more employee focused and more state colder focused, which is everybody that has a stake in that businesses practices and more of taking more of a holistic approach, those are the only businesses that are even surviving millennials and Gen Y. or whatever that they're not tolerating any of the same stuff that these businesses. Having In wine engines, e I I hear some people say oh! They just want to be the owner of the business yeah. That's that's great I love that. Be doing their own business and you know. I got to a point in my. Career where I realized that. Even if I became the CEO I would still have to beg for more allowance. From the Board of Trustees you do regardless of how well I'm performing? Like I have to ask permission for more, allowance, Hey Dad can I have more allowance, but. It was not under my. It had nothing to do with my performance. I WANNA sales. It's all about. Commission, maybe how hard you work, so yeah and I think it is all sales. It's about running your own business and selling yourself. Yeah that became evident to me when I was watching the show Silicon Valley. Eleven does the layers, but it would just I mean. This was his company that he didn't seem like He. is begging for you know he's the CEO and then he's. He gets fired and then they don't take into this like he created this and. That actually happened with another company. Talking before Apple Apple. And you know even the husband and wife team created Cisco Systems, which runs the the Internet pretty much. Forced out of of their own company that they created Oh and they got. The husband and you don't even know the husband and wife team. Yeah, like I don't even know their names because they got. They got four Saudis of Cisco Systems also McDonald's the brothers that started it. Like the businesses are almost bigger than or they are. They have more rights than the people do sometimes, and they're actually what's what's running? These entities rather than the people that happened in the last fifteen years under the Roberts court we, we saw move towards towards businesses, having the same rights as people more rights more. Because they have they have they they can. They have tax. Write offs that no individual can get there, basically a protected class, but if we just become corporations are so I've often thought about our. Social Security. It's illegal like you. You would get in trouble with the IRS, but if you took it to court you know it, it would be an interesting court battle of saying like if. If corporations are people, people should be corporations. It has to be a transitive. Oh relationship, otherwise you have a protected class, which is strictly illegal. Yeah, to have a protected class. Do this, but. I'm going to go into Washington. To Shadow. This is chambers corporate that you're looking at right now. Any in corporate I D, my cooperative. That's right you. Were a conglomeration, but. You know this is part of the shadow work that needs to happen. Is that you know we're we're. We feel so disconnected from our power right now. And that's why people get so upset and. Anytime, they see one section of society. That's not already. Billionaires. Given stuff. Then, they get upset because inherently. We all know that there's a lot of our own power that's been taken away from us. Right, but we've also given away well. Yeah, yeah, I mean I mean again a way, right? It's one. The two sides of the same coin separated from it. So kind of going full circle from our original thought. corporations are like mini governments. And you're seeing aspects of things at work within corporations, but also also within countries, certain countries have higher happiness indices like I believe the Dutch. Have Danish. Danish have like some of the highest happiness. Indices although I believe some of the Scandinavian countries also have some high suicide rates. A Nixon Nexta message, but but at the same token, so maybe it lack of sunlight or something along those lines. But you look at you. Look at Germany Germany. Has Legal limits on how much? A CEO can make no really. They are capped their captain. How much they can make and yet they have one of the most robust functional economies on the planet, but you're talking about ratios here like an Japanese inhumane. More more math made a New York Times article is talking about the Japanese. CEO Ratio was something like twelve to one. The twelve dollars for every one dollar that the worker makes in our country right now it's it's over three hundred fifty dollars to one, and there are some companies. They talked about like Mattel that was like something like five thousand to one ratio. In the nineteen sixties it was closer to sixty to one ratios. Even adjusted for inflation, see growing disparity and I do think that things are operated and were were confused and cost to to fight within each other, while someone is, is in the piggy kind of like grabbing a cookie jar. Griping all the cookies, there was a book that was written the title was the. Easiest Way to rob a bank is to own one. Point and others the movie Oh. Darn it. What was it? This is A. was about to It was actually about I think it's on Apple TV. Not yet a sponsor? The big short I. Need a new laptop. No, but it was about two black guys who are extremely great at real estate. And, this was back in. Maybe the sixties. I'm really bad. A timetable central interesting at any rate. No were really good, but they essentially had to. Essentially add to like a white kid to even get in the doors. And then they eventually owned banks. They were the owners, but the white kid was the front like the playmaker right of course. The story is rated several several times. In fact, my dad even wrote wrote a story about this various situation, really a very ambitious. Entrepreneur. Black Guy, but he can't own anything or whatever, so he gets up white person to be the front of yes, a common is a common story. Couple of. Great movie, but yeah. It was talking about the the bank ownership and. The kid because he wasn't the brains behind the business, but he was trying to get there. He like really messed up when he was owning one of the banks, and yeah it just like ruined the whole situation, and of course the. The COPS got involved and moving good opens up to that. But brought to you by Apple TV, but owning your own bank, yes, and even an insurance like one of the coming back the type of vehicles. To sponsor? One of the vehicles that. We teach individuals on certain partick. It's type of life insurance product where you are literally your own bank. So it's it's interesting that you're bringing this up because it be hip, National Bank. Is that a joke. took. Your Wallet. Insert cricket. Dr Hanson. chapstick after that. I'm part of insurance. Class. Or was. I don't even know that half. We're going to. We're going to go to Washington with H. T.. I'm. That's going gonNA be my rationing. Cricket Crooked Inc.. They're already taken. Cricket Wireless. But no. On the powers of you know when when you. Making system. The fractional reserve system where it's something like. Hundred dollars or something like that. They have to keep ten percent of it within the reserves rate, and then every time you write a alone in fact of the you're creating money your and have the ability to create money. Basically the means of kind of being wizard that creates the power you think about even the national reserve is an organization outside of the government. To sell getting called conspiratorial. Please put on your tin foil hats for the next year. but that the. Treasury or that Congress Exchanges Treasury notes for for the the the currency that we use so the currency has not even really are currency. It's basically like we're borrowing from the banks in order to be able to. Purchase and then, and of course, we don't have anything back by anything more outside from oil. Oil is which is I mean it's kind of you. Know like the that we we got away from the gold currency and stuff like that It's kind of a good thing because. You know money is just. A state of mind, yes. Low. It's just A. It's a promise. and. It's good to have a Fiat currency system because it allows us to step into that. Space where we can just create from the from the void from the infinite. Right and going back to. Two hour that we have within our communities and everything. It's just what we're willing to exchange with each other yeah. To be money than it has to be bound by the rules dictates of the system that creates the money. If it's a matter of like trade, you helped me help you or or a we, we find some other way to exchange exchange energy, and it's all the same when something I got interested in. Back in like twenty, ten or something was. Community currencies so there are a lot of communities around the world including the United States. Where they're creating their own currency. I did that instead of a computer store. and. Ed so saying hello to episode. Small so small community increase their own currency, and then they can pay people to go and pick up trash and do things that they want done around the community. They give them the community currency. Take, let's say you know. I don't know if it was Portland or near Portland, but there was a community that was doing this, and they were paying homeless people to pick up trash, and they would get these community curtseys. They could use it. at the farmer's market or for homeless shelters or for immunity. You don't like riding the buses around, and it allowed that community to get work done and pay for it outside of using the federal currency, because the federal currency is to controlled too expensive, Oh and you can use it anywhere, whereas this has to be focused Jonathan the community, and then so for the people like at the farmers market, they could Change this back in for real dollars, so there's and there's a guy who was part of the IMF who now gives talks about how communities barrels unless you. And laid. Back. Their community currencies with with bonds like treasury bills that so it actually does mean something but. It allows US communities to pay for things that would normally be too expensive to use with real dollars at. It's really interesting. I think that's going to be a big wave of the future. And it's a lot of the local movements to that you see whether it's like local food or local businesses. You know keeping the money circulating having a local bank. With local bank, they say it tends to circulate more within the communities. But it just as a matter of supporting one another. I realized we haven't talked to a whole lot of the shadow. Trying to bring it back to that an. Important point because this is what this is. What the EGO does. If the shadow is present, it will try to distract yes, and talk about anything, but the shadow actually coming up, yeah! Because it's hard, it is hard. Let's talk about economics instead. That's a lot easier, right. Well, but isn't isn't couldn't you? Sort of think of money is like this shadow aspect of US something because I think if we trusted into one another, and we believe in abundance, and we wouldn't really need to keep score that way. You know we wouldn't need to keep track. We would just we would need to get have any kind of well. This goes back to my whole idea about need, not needing money. Just. Bright and we're. Right now we're talking about is just an idea anyways. It's just like this motivation if we could just be motivated anyways if we could just do those things anyway, so if we could. Just you know you're talking about what we give homeless people this and then they're able to give this and. Why don't we just do that anyways? Why don't we just give them access to whatever and then everybody's still be able to do that. And so I understand that that's just the concept, and in actuality will yeah. We still have to have the motivation to have people do we know that everybody's doing that? And all these kind of things, but I'm thinking as we grow in consciousness, and as a collective dry feel like we're more consciousnesses coming. Here all the time like if we did think of that as like a if it was, if money was just a shadow aspect if it was just like I don't really trust you. I don't really think that you're going to do this, so we're going to have this thing where you keep score and you here's your little bit knowing. Go get what you need. You know what I'm saying if we did. If we were all just this enlightened beings. Beings if we're all just just fully conscious, and we say hey know that you're me and I'm you and what you do affects me when I do affects you, so of course you're going to do which you're here to do. You know what I mean, and if we did get to that level, and I understand that we're not, we might not be here right now. We can't take the dollar way right now. Tomorrow and be like okay now. But I'm just saying like if we could think of that as like a shadow aspect, and maybe the. Maybe if we were just completely healed, then we would need that. Let's go into the keeping score thing. That's going to I. Think Universal basic income is a step towards that. Because what you're telling people is that we're just going to distribution alive. We're going to give you enough money to so that you can have your basic needs met. Yeah and I think it's a step towards that you know as we move towards universal basic income. It! Gives everybody that ability to see that? there is nothing to fear. Right, but but dem to both your points. You know giving giving people more money. Because you see. Some of the wealthiest people in the world are not necessarily happy. You know some of something we can never have enough. So the shadow aspects, says scarcity and fear, and says separation. The currency that we use says I'll give you this as long as you do things more often than not that you don't want, do right, you know it's become an incentive to do something outside of our nature. Healing actually comes from us, looking at these places where we feel closed off and recognizing that the reason why we were closed office because there's a shadow coming up within us, there's a part of us. We have not looked at part of us and makes us feel uncomfortable if we can look at it just for a second new JPC's put out a video that was really raw recently and I was shocked that he did it because it was really bold for him to do. But he showed footage of instant incidences that had had. Where where you would seem brutality, and he basically told people don't look away. Because it's easy to look away, right. I was Vegan for a few years because I saw what they did within the factory farms and I ate meat now, but I need primarily from from local farmers or otherwise. When you don't look away from anything you're holding within yourself or anything around you. The healing happens, and then it gets to a point where we can be beyond currency, forcing people to do something that causes him to suppress themselves in order to be able to move forward, but they can finally get to a point where they don't see other around them. They see aspects of themselves. We take away the dollar I e currency like there's going to be something to replace it. Oh, sure because like we said it's just an energy chambers dollars. Well the Mardi per now yet a sponsor I'm already pre biggest sponsor funding this. So that to your point there so I know in contribution and I think I I WANNA. Say This I don't think they're contribution is is the way, but there's just been developed a new way I understand it on a certain level, so I can kind of speak on it, and so it addresses. That is that there's always going to be something type type thing is always going to be something, and so that's the idea behind and contribution ISM is that that's why it's very important. Important about the and I've said this before, but it's very important about the contribute part, because if there's any sort of an exchange than than something will always take over, and whoever has more of that will always dominate and be able to make the rules, but the idea is if everything is just being contributed, and there's not an exchange. It's not like I'm GONNA. Give you this, so you will do this. It's like I'm giving you. I'm giving this because I'm giving it to the. The question is how do you measure what's worth what so like somebody who is pounding pavement like a Jackhammer? That's really hard physical labor, but a lot of what I do naturally is the emotional like heart and brain favor. Joe and. That's that's. There's a million of those questions in a lot of those come up, but then that's, but that's the thing is like if we completely and if of course it's assuming that we are enlightened. Do I really care that I've done more work than you and you've done more than me. You know what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, so it's like if there's no exchange and we're, we're all we're all. We're all doing what we do what we need to do. We're just contributing what we what we need to the group, and or what we can or what we feel inspired to, or you know what I'm saying. That will come up. Is a lot of people say well, then WHO's GonNa? Do the dirty job said nobody wants to do. And that's a big one that comes up and my response is baby. Those jobs shouldn't be done. You don't have to force people to do them. If you literally have to say if you don't do, this is the only doing this job is your. Get to eat that. That's a that's a big, so there's a couple of a couple of questions because that's a big one. There's a there's this thirteen frequently asked questions that come up when during whenever we have these conversations, and these are these are some of them. Of course they're the ones that come up, and and one of the answers of that's. That's one thing is. It's like yeah. WHO's GonNa Shovel the crap. Shovel! You're on crap, you know, take everything. That's one thing, but then the other answer is if everybody's doing. The everybody's working together and everybody's working passionately and everybody's doing what they WANNA do. We're going to have amazing systems. You know what I'm saying like. We're going to have this. We're going to work together with technology and we're going to be able to like. Some of those jobs aren't going to even be that gross. Burning System Yeah. Yeah. I mean. 'cause. We're going to be so much more efficient. You know we're GonNa have so many more be able to tap into our creativity, and all these ideas that we have so much more easily because they're not going to have the the stopgap of financial. You know we're. We're not gonNA. Come up against financial issue. Well, there's not enough money you know what I'm saying. We'll just have people that will be able to do that, and so our systems will be so much better and some of those nasty jobs I. Don't think we'll be as nasty. Planned obsolescence within our system. You know a programmed obsolescence where something is designed to fail over time. Anymore! Yeah, we have certain. Certain inefficiencies are built into the system to to generate more work right right if you're running a very streamlined system, but also. There's this idea of this this gilded age. We can move into this new age. People can do artistry, or they can do things that are uniquely human. And that we don't have to do some of these jobs that were there before. that. Some of these jobs were unnecessary. I mean think about a lot of a lot of jobs that are out. There are predicated upon a system. Where we don't necessarily need to have that in order to survive as a people I'm thinking more like bureaucratic and things along those lines, where it's really just kind of red tape to exist in order to justify that position or to to put people in a certain state. You can move beyond that and get into human human characteristics, human qualities supportive efficient. There's a lot of ideas to that are also suppressed by by business where they buy. You saw this with the movie. In the one thousand nine hundred early two thousands who killed the electric car, but they had the technologies to build electric cars well before they happened. They suppress them because there was no economic incentive. Yes, that's the whole thing to think how much efficiently. You know is because like it seems like like you said there's things built in. There's there's lots of inventions and stuff that are real efficient that we probably have right now, but there's no economic incentive, so if we take away the incentive, you know what I'm saying like the way that we just have all of these amazing ideas like think how many I think. How many things that we've we've. We've created our heads, but we haven't actually manifested into real life, because there isn't any sort of financial incentive, and that's across the board. A always mentioned this to patients, but My incentive as a chiropractor is to see them more. If I'm running a business model viewer come to see me. Don't seem very much, but you know. A lot of people in my field is not denigrated happens with medicine to all fields. They create a hierarchy and they say you got to see me three times a week for the rest of your life or come. Come in with regularity, and you create this system where this person never really fully heels kind of keep them at bay, but then you're also held it as well and yet inefficiencies within medicine, where it's not about the person's growth, spiritual development or understanding about how to be healthy, you basically keeping people in holding pattern. Yeah, and that's that's endemic to the whole system. I I ran into that when I first started you an energy work. and. I had this idea like I'm Gonna I'm GonNa, see people you know every one or two or three months like forever. And immediately I was like Ooh that doesn't feel good. That feels very codependence. And so what I what I realized was that I'm not in the business of You know doing energy healing for people I'm in the business really of. SELF-EMPOWERMENT SO, my whole goal is is to help them get to the point where they are really in control of their energy, and they're doing it on their own and just move onto the next person. And that doesn't happen overnight, but it does have an impact point. To where they're going to go off and and really be in charge of their own energy, and really be able to work with it well, and so in that sense, I'm more of a A. Teaching not as much as like healing, but teaching, but like the healing is in the teaching. Right thing yeah yeah. I don't want to see the same. I don't like that would be horrible to keep seeing the same person over and over the same things really doing your job. Right. Yes psychologist counselor counselors will if they're good, will say my job is to not see you ever again after the end of our strand or run together like I don't want to see you because you would be equipped with all of these tools to then be able to. Kind of live on your own grow yeah! Now, sometimes, my touch touch up or something you know what I'm saying. We'll check in sure. Dolly put the Pinson. Come from. craziest thing. T to both of your points. It's fun to see someone grow. And when you give them the permission to grow, you're not holding onto where they're at. So as a society, you can look at each other that way you can say. The Black Community African American community? The the Spanich I wish Italian different communities if we see them as as neighbors and friends. And we wish well for all of them, and we're actually hoping that they grow then. That actually reflects back. There was. Something with a pro within product. We learnt the idea was. To actually bless people who already have a lot. Less people who don't. Because if you're not blessing. Bless somebody already has you're putting yourself out of jealousy in an evenness, not saying I'm impoverished, compared to their soul. And if you're not condemning somebody, you're not yourself either it's it's so reflexive like just think about anything you do think about doing in front of the mirror. If you make a faces can make a face back at you. That's a good yeah. That's a good exercise for sure making faces. Yeah looking looking in the mirror. You know that kind of thing so speaking about looking in the mirror. We are. Wrapping up now. And without the camera actually stopping. This is like two to. Up. For The class. But. We don't have any clap. o She doesn't know that okay. We'll just we'll. We'll have the conversation saying I'm Mike. That's right. So you've got to lead us out of this because I. Guess so many more thoughts. Give us a new thoughts real quick. I I wanted to ask about the electric car back in the ninety s okay. Did I need it I was gonNA. Use this microphone actually Tesla created. So that's what I'm like. Clearly incentive because Tesla is now doing it I. Mean Nikola Nikola Tesla back. In the late eighteen hundreds created an electric car. And it didn't go anywhere, but he was the guy that was trying to give everybody free power wireless power and JP Morgan. shut him down because he owned a lot of mines and he wanted it to go across powerlines. And, so he's like no I'm shutting down your interesting. It's all control for power. You know when you talk about electric. It's still power in the people that were powerful that. Can't put a meter on it, I don't care and that's our whole. It's not maintained so with the electric car. It was was about now it is it is, but there's still like a lot of waste within your still burning coal in order to get it the energy for it. But, it was the idea of power and a lot of the companies, the car companies at the time, and that's part of the documentary were suppressing this because they're beholden so oil interests and other other pieces to all these pieces are working together colluding in essence, because they believe in this finite amount of resources within the earth, and so they're actually ironically enough taking fossil fuels and other finite resources and propagating the model of being finite. which gets to our? Annoying. Price Circle? There's not enough I'm afraid. And I can't meet some. Open heart discussions that mindset. I'm confused on the mindset now because I guys were like all they hit it because there's no incentive and then now that we're like. Oh, they made it. You're like we'll now. They're ruining other resources to like. What do we want here like? Do we want the electric car? Example. that. There's still we're still trying to get our way out of this. Mindset of lack limitation a really comes down to fear based on. A mindset of lack limitation. That's what everybody's struggling against that's that's what that's. What all shadow work is. About is basically fear. Rooted, in a mindset of lack and limitation, which and coming out of that idea, and realizing no that there. We live in a world of infinity of infinite possibility, coal and finite fossil dot. But infinite energy. Energy. PULLING HAIR! Yeah, but but Tessa was talking about the atmosphere tapping into ionosphere. There's a circuit of of ions within the atmosphere in the ground itself is actually a battery of free electrons, and you can use the ground as an energy source you can also use the ionosphere is an energy source as well. It's free and effectively limitless. You also have the sun, which is not a source. When we can make the earth, the charger instead of the coal when we're still making progress, we're making progress yet, but but the suppression is also spelt than a day. But the reason why we drag our feet. Yeah, it's because of the planned obsolescence. Where where it's creating and keeping jobs that people may not need or even want in order to keep model, it is breaking, but the hope right now is. We're having this conversation. Ensuring these ideas ideas are already out. There were kind of tapping into the pulling these ideas from the collective Tesla Al. the number one supporter. Along. His his daughter's name is like. A series of pound, sign and decimals, and did you see that he recently had a? Poor girl. Her her name is helping jobs. Nickel Tesla, forget me. She still wants to car. All Right? Thanks for that clarifying. You're welcome. You know one of my coaches going. Stop This podcast me out. I don't startling almost the whole time without. formulated my thought. So one of my coaches always says. Right before breakthrough, there's confusion so confusion, breeds breakthrough, and so that tug of war, and then you had that flow, and then it's like life so on that note, this is Ben's. The stream and there are ever ever signing off signing off.
Monday Red Pill Diaries-Now That The CoronaoHoaxers Have Come For Our Priests, Will You Cease Following Evil Fake Science!
"Why would they go after. Father james oltman. Well the answer is very simple. And if you've been following him for any amount of time you already know this. Uh oh speaking out against the corona doom look around a hoax and he has refused to shut up. I've got to play you a piece of his homily from yesterday. I'm not gonna play the whole thing. there's a place in there where he talks about some of the risks that he has taken himself and These risks than The the risks than our He takes on on himself. We don't think about these things. We just take it for granted and the risk that Someone like final altman and my father. Uh damian's the blocking that they undertake is you know when you're putting communion on people's when you put it on their tongue There is a chance that your your. I've never done it. So i i can't give you an up close and personal view but your your hands your your fingers array basically in their mouth not in it. I know ms o'connell says he's done this. I'll play the clip. He's done this sixty thousand times gerona dome and at the end of the mass rinse his his fingertips holy water or a little adds a little of the precious blood wine. Is protestants call it. But it's the blood of our lord and then including chelsea drinks it that is an act of heroism and courage amongst among Amid the withering fire that comes from the corona doomsters. So we're gonna talk a little bit about that today and what that means for the rest of us. This d platforming this cancelling here. You want another cancel here on a my church. Show twenty three minutes past the hour. Wherever time zone. You may be in listening to this. This is from the editorial board of the wall street journal this morning for getting justice marshall and illinois law school drops his name as the left turns on the core l. I have my problems with uh if chief justice john marshall This is not one of them. The university of illinois board of trustees last week entered a no confidence. Vote against america's greatest supreme court chief justice starting in july the john marshall law school and chicago. We'll be known simply as the university of illinois chicago school of law now. Now listen to this. The press release sites marshals quote role as a slave trader slave owner of hundreds of slaves pro slavery jurors jurisprudence and racist views. He went to kill black grandma. I had to ask the question. Why don't we just cancel merica. James madison principally was the author of the constitution. He was a slave owner. Thomas jefferson principally offer the declaration penance of independence. He was a slave owner. What are we just be done with this. Just cancel the whole damn thing. Let's just hey look take your two hundred twenty two hundred dollars in unfunded liability. That will call it. Even you go your way. And i'm going to go mine. This is the go. To progressive indictment of american historical figures. Never mind that mar marshalls muscular jurisprudence. As chief justice from eighteen o one takes thirty-five forged the national government and economy powerful enough to fully to finally smash slavery generation after his death. The us is awash in oak in iconoclasm clasroom from washington. Dc's bid to erase ben franklin from the city building to the stanford theft gotta all bards vote and rename abe. Lincoln highschool the astonishing progressive. Turn on marshall law blogger. Josh blackman notes. Another law school may also cut ties carries its own significance intended or not marshaled. Legacy is at the heart of the skoda's debates in a speech last month carson against court justice steven brier appeared appealed to marginals legal authority. And look it's even worse than that. It's worse than that. The lib tard left and the deceptive. Con neo-con right. All love john marshall why because he gave the court they what's known as the process or judicial review even on the reasonable process of judicial review econo- decision marshall invented out of whole cloth. Now forget the case wasn't most people say was marbury versus madison. Wasn't marbury i. I mean kind of where it began but he doesn't actually get rolling with judicial review on until eighteen ten or eighteen. eleven. I forget the case That's the principal one where the court says hey. We didn't give you permission to do this. Virginia i think it was virginia and virginia goes. We don't need no stinky permission. And then there's a couple of these you might remember. Andrew jackson famously said justice. Marshall has made his ruling. Now let him enforce. The door is supposedly he said. My point mean there's a lot of big government that is to love about justice. John marshall he should cross political lines is the point here. They are getting rid of you know when they start doing this folks and this began in earnest two years ago with the sacking of the confederate statues all across the united states. The tamped to purge history always ends in murder the it always ends in public executions. There are no exceptions to this. It will end in death. I don't know if it'll be me. I don't know if it'll be one of you but someone will bear martyrdom at the end of the kind of iconoclasm. That's how it's brought to an end. The people that are behind the get tired of killing go. Chris grow weary of it. No i mean it's still fun to watch it in the public square. And what have you kind of executioner played. We need a new song and dance. I am not trying to be fee. Chief is allow this in any way shape or form so the journal uh close the this autumn two supreme court will begin what could be the most consequential term in years with abortion and gun rights on the docket marshals insight that an independent judicial authority could serve the national andrews by balancing against political off foreign as is as relevant as ever some progressives. Wanna throw that out the window and instead intimidate the court and to their desired policy outcomes. Maybe that's the real reason. They want us to forget chief justice john marshall my church. Show here on the cruise h. And always on air always online at crusade channel dot com portion of program brought to you by the affirmation epoch times newspaper. We are an official marketing affiliate of the epoch. Times if you're going to go to their site and read the paper please. Use our link to get their crews h janelle dot com forward slash epoch crusade channel dot com forward slash epoch. Moving on because there's there's a lot to do here they're gonna come back to father altman and did this was from friday. Oh i remember what it wasn't wanted to talk about. Yesterday i went to another superspreader per spreader event three hundred and some odd people gathered together for the celebration of the holy sacrifice. The mass There was one person in the entire guy radiation. I had a mask on one We've been going the same superspreader event every sunday since august of last year. Let's do the math. shall we. All august september. October november december january february march april. And now into may so. That's ten months of weekly sometimes more than once a week attending super spreader events mind knowledge. No-one has died as a result of the superspreader event. I haven't even seen any one. They got sick as a result other than myself with the superspreader event.
California, at Dusk
"Podcast from ricochet dot com brought to you by hewitt sleep and honey. I'm your host choice. Senate and the classicist is. Victor davis hanson. The morton ilya anderson senior fellow at the hoover. Institution and victor. I want to talk today about our our mutual home state of california. You our listeners. Know still there me having somehow managed to trade down to new jersey but while it's been a conservative pastime to poke fun at california for decades one gets the sense. The things really turning there right now in a way they haven't quite before we just learned for instance that twenty twenty was the first year in the history of the state in which it lost population at. Some of that is aberrationally yet. A lot of cova deaths combined with much lower immigration numbers than usual but the old california could have absorbed even that and stayed safely in the black. Not the new one so inspired in part by some of the writing. You've been doing the exclusively available at your website. Victor hansen dot com. I wanted to focus on some of the factors at work here. And let's start with this one energy. California has very expensive energy. California has notoriously unreliable energy blackouts and browns or a way of life. One other note worthy variable california has abundant energy resources. So how is it that all three of those things can be true at the same time gets the answer. It's in california's so impossible anywhere else. is possible here because we live in a fantasy land so your paradigm that you describe. Toys applicable to every one of our problem so have abundant rainfall in the northern third of the state. We have abundant rainfall and snowfall in the sierra nevada and cascades and our great grandparents grandparents and fathers even knew that so they transferred in this beautiful california water project in central valley project enough water so as long as you had twenty twenty one twenty two million people agriculture no problem. You can have a drought every year and it wouldn't matter because of the huge storage capacity but when you don't build a dam for forty years and your population doubles the forty million and you've got these huge population centers at need water. You're not and you're gonna let and at the same time you decide you're gonna let these rivers such as the san joaquin sacramento go out to the ocean Then you're you're gonna self destruct if you have sixty million trees that have died. And they're still good for up to two years and if you took them out and harvest them you would have not only cheap timber but more importantly you Move this green napalm than that seems logical but if you destroy the timber industry and you feel as good thing. Let him rod or fires good because their natural or they drive out all of these deplorables who fleet of the sierra foothills to get away from the cities than you do things like that the same thing with our power we've got. I think the third largest natural gas holdings we have oil offshore. We have oil still in the la area. We have a lot of it in bakersfield area. We have a lot of precious metals. Here we can have goals still. We've got the richest farming. We've got everything you need. But if you're not gonna develop them then you're gonna have four dollars four cents a gallon gas. You're gonna have a dollar twelve hundred and twelve dollars for four by of plywood and so in the past the people who could move that small business people that were mobile or could be they laugh. They're gone there's ten to fifteen million them have left and we're down to the people who disheartened and conservative and traditions. But they can't leave you. There are retired or they're underwater. In their house or their businesses imo are immobile or whatever. The particular reason is they're stuck but what's different. This time is that it's got so bad that you're independent voter. You're middle-class third generation. Latino voter a lot of liberal people say you know i may live on the coast with thirty million others but i can't navigate los angeles if you call nine one one. They don't come. There's too many homeless people in venice beach. It looks like a third world country. I can't If i want to drive down one one to la it's like nineteen fifty before the freeway system. It just can't do it anymore. And if it gets to a hundred ten eight hundred nine in california this summer just assume that there's not gonna be power. Even though i pay the highest kilowatt and that has made people want leave as well. But it won't change until the insulated architects of this madness started to be affected. And how would that manifest itself that would mean if you lived in malibu called nine eleven came in your estate was invaded. That if you were a college dean and you wanted your child to get in. And he had perfect grades. He had perfect. Sat notice award. He and you were white. And he did not get into stanford usc uc berkeley because of these weird new quotas. That are basically. We're going to double the numbers of minorities the general population in half the number of white males the jennifer then that affects you directly when that starts happening in. Stop starting now. You start to hear people mumble whether we go to the next step of recall gavin newsom. Which i'm kind of dubious about whether it's going to happen. And the wide scale taste with a californian paradigm. I don't know talk about something. You mentioned there towards the nevada. Answer education in california when people hear that phrase their minds might go automatically to some of the prestigious universities stanford caltech berkeley. Ucla and there was the time when primary and secondary education in california. Were consider just as much a point of pride as higher at that time however has passed there has been a decline underway for decades now in terms of pure performance but also now there is a pretty remarkable strain of radicalism in california schools. A map out for us. what's happened. California schools were controlled by people that come out of educational a departments for the most part from the twenty three campuses of the state colleges. That's where you get most of the dvd's nama's in education. And i can tell you that. They are on a so-called woke agendas. They see education as unionized teachers. The enemy of is individualism as personified by those or home school or go to charter. Schools parochial schools. They can't control and they feel that society at large so prejudicial unbiased that they must be biased for this twelve years that they have children and feel that given the way that blue states were flipped from red states and the biden's are in power and the what movement institutional support that you can really change a generation by indoctrinate. And that's what they're doing and that means the california schools are run by teachers at beings if they tell us. We can't go back to school until teachers are vaccinated with to modern are pfizer and then when they get vaccinated they say that's not. The children are not backs. And then you say there's not one person california under the age of fifteen died from kobe or essentially none. They said it doesn't matter so they control. They're not just teachers that they're administrators their superintendents. I mean that's that's the type of power they exercise and for a lot of minority groups. Teaching was the first step in the middle class ascendancy and a lot to be a teacher today. You have to be woke sort of like being a party member and the late soviet union nobody believe name warren bolshevism communism. Nobody believes anymore that the teacher union are interested in educating people are making them. Inductive thinkers are gifted stylist star historically literate. They don't believe that the they they admit privately that they bleed. You have to say that on union member. You don't get a car to participate in that. The salaries are astronomical for teachers in california can be a young person twenty six years old twenty seven in two or three years. Seventy five thousand and your spouse can be a teacher to get both of your summers off in thirty weeks a year out of fifty two income of one hundred and fifty thousand in your late twenty. Allow them do generations very well. So but nobody. I guess choi when i have these questions. I always look at what the architects are doing. So the architects of wokers or the people who are left wing with money and influence. I'm talking about the zuckerberg's atherton an are The twitter people are apple people Or the stanford board of trustees. What are they doing are they are their kids and integrated neighborhoods. Are their kids in private. No they're not. They're not in public schools. They're all in private academies and they are segregated communities with private security forces. the pelosi's the feinstein that those types of people and the so. It's very cynical. The ruling class what. We're so gifted in so morally superior that the consequences were on ideology. Don't apply to us nor should they. I mentioned at the top. California's recent population declined. It has of course been the case for decades. Now that california has been losing more american citizens to other states and it's been getting from them but it is traditionally made up for that with four and immigration and california's always been a magnet for immigrants with this pipeline to mexico at latin america the south to asia to the west the dynamics in recent years though shaped a lot by a significant population of illegal immigrants in some people. Especially those who don't have a lot of direct experience with this will say death. What difference does it make whether they come in to california legally or illegally Answer that question in a lot of ways. If the first thing you do when you enter the united states or across the california is break the law and the second thing you do is break. The law by residing illegally and the third thing you do is get fraudulent ide- to perpetuate that fraud. Then you have a cycle of behavior. And what does that mean that means when you run off the road and you destroy. Somebody's property you flee the scene of the accident that means if you go in to Go to disability and they automatically registered to vote or you go into the dmv. They automatically registered to vote in the. You're not here legally. That means you might have three or four ballot. You don't in other words you don't really care. And if you're not assimilating intermarrying integrating and learning english than you're in an enclave of people in similar situations and you don't know anything about the constitution. You don't have to learn about it to get us become a citizen. Why become a citizen. When residency has the same perks or privileges. I can't think of anything. A resident legal or otherwise can not do anymore than citizen does maybe hold office. But we're starting to talk about illegals doing that. They can vote in local elections in some local school board election. They can leave the country when they want maybe not through an airport but in some ways we are harder on citizens than we are on residence. I notice if i came in the country and nicest said you know what. I'm crossing the border. I don't have a passport. I would be put in detention at san francisco airport in a way that people are not on the southern border. So i i think that's one thing in the second is there's nothing wrong with multiracial society as long as it has a singular unified culture. But will you bring in so many people so quickly in the majority. Do not have a high school. Diploma are marketable skills or legality or fluency in english. We've even been knowledge of english. Then you have these large groups of people who are nita parody and there's always gonna be somebody who promises them parody if you do the following two things if you say i need more government and more money to give them parody and they don't have parody not because they just arrived here from the poorest area in the world a province but because you you white people you people are racist and you hurt them and their despair and that's where we are now and so that's a powerful thing to overcome so people say like i'll give you an example of what i was. I won't mention anything because people could find out what i'm referring to but i. I went to a shopping center in this area. I won't tell you which town or area this morning at six thirty to get some dog food and there was a really hard working mexican guy. I don't know what his status was but he was out with a little scooper picking up trash in the parking lot and it was covered with trash. And so as i got out he started talking to and he said you know i'm from mexico and i said guy you're a wonderful job here and he said you know what if anybody in every about people who are one hundred percent here are everybody at this. Particular market is open. American are from mexico legal or not and he said to me no ninety. Nine percent of this is not mexican american people. These are people mexico. They do not the culture they they leave all her stuff and i have to pick it up and what he was saying was not racial or anything. He was saying that we bring in people from a country. Were it's customary to throw things out the window or not worried about it. Environmentally green conscious country. No matter what your ethnic background is. We don't do that and so he was trying to make up for it and he said why are we letting you went on and said why we let him so many people when we can't handle it. I can't keep doing this. And i said well at least you don't live out in the country. Were almost weekly. I see somebody from mexico. Because they don't speak english in the things they dropper full of spanish language newspapers or bills dump their trash on my property just one yesterday. The person do that. So if you're in the bay area. That sounds racist. But what i tell you this is what i think is racist. This is what i think is really racist. I think being an advocate for open borders and in putting your child in a private school. That's all asian or white or you're only contact socially is with people who work for you as nannies are landscapers rather than friends in pairs of equals that. You've got to dinner with and talk to your children now. That's races and i think they know it. So you have this privilege white class. You're racist you're racist. You don't immigrants but it's not what you say it's what you do. And that's what's the telltale sign of this white coastal corridor. They live in segregated segregated fashion. 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It's funny when i think of the california that i grew up in as a teenager in the nineties when i was first aware of california politics that was really when you saw the beginnings of the turn towards the left that the state was going to take but but even then there were a couple of issues the california was notoriously conservative on and one of them crime. This was a real law and order state. We had the three strikes law which has subsequently been been watered down south but at least in california's big cities. The policy is now all trending in the other direction. What has happened to the way that criminal justice is handled at californian. While there's this idea that criminal justice is inseparable from social justice so in the logic of proportional representation despaired impact our social scientists from universities and the coastal corridors of power and in sacramento. They say the following we have done a survey of local county and state jails and prisons and we found out that group is over represented in so as white grew and that's because they're arrested disproportionately and if you say will it. Maybe it's because they commit crimes disproportionately they say it's either because that's a lie which they know it's not our there's larger social forces that forced them to do that but whatever the result is whether you're arrested for a crime is not any longer in california contingent on whether there's evidence that you committed the crime and whether you're indicted for the crime and whether you serve time for the crime is an ideological not a legal matter in so if tomorrow i want to expand the solar panels on my shed because even though i have a lot of them priced kilowatts keeps climbing and i find out that i don't want to go through a year Process an application with the california brock. Rec- so i just call the guy that put in so just put eight moron and somebody finds out and they will find out. Google maps or the increase in production. And he comes out. They will prosecute me and that is a stiff. Fine oprah lean on my property. But if i go across the road and there are forty two people or fifty people living on one parcel. And there's illegal trailers rollbacks upstairs porta-pottys louisville sewer system. No one's going to go over there. Because that's an ideological act that would be arresting people of color people who are indigent people who non undocumented on documented and so that philosophy. Las affi permeates everything. Believe me troy. If you and i were walking down san francisco we have five years. We wanted poems urinate on the sidewalk. We will be arrested if they see us. If you're homeless Arrest can guarantee you that if you are an walking down and we see a nice lexus. We take a hammer we knock it and we take out. The don't know briefcase. Chances are that we will be one hundred percent. I shouldn't say arrested others will not be. So that's what people in california really are upset about that we are. The manifestation of the ultimate trajectory of progressivism worker is no law. No absolute auto qodian theory critical racial theory wherein the law existed construct that reflects privilege. And so you apply it. Deductive -ly and You know in particular cases and the ad hoc depending on the race class gender status of the victim and the victim is and that means that we don't know what the law is. Nobody knows what the law is if you go down to la and you look at the diamond lane. It says you can't drive in there. If you are one person with a traditional gas engine you look at how many cars are in that one lane. You you quickly see that. It's about three out of ten and you're no way in the world they're gonna enforce that and so there's this noncompliance with laws because certain people feel that they're exempt from it and i i see it all the time i was at the home depot and there were police there and they arrested for shoplifting. And the person next to me. I don't know if it's valid or not so. This woman has been arrested five times at home depot. She does the same thing every time and he said to me she'll be out in another two hours and then four hours she'll be back here so there's no consequences at some point. It's going to get so bad that the people who felt that they were beneficiaries of that system are going to be advocates to change it. But we haven't got to peak wilton one other area or california in the past anyway. The recent past was always a little more conservative than outsiders might have imagined was a taxes is going back a long ways now but of course there was the tax revolt degenerated proposition. Thirteen famous property tax cap. Back in nineteen seventy eight if you look at it today. The only thing that probably keeps california from having the highest overall state and local tax burden is that restriction on property taxes on almost everything else there at or near the top. And there's a school of thought out there. Hear this about places like new york to that says to what these are high tax hike services fates in in other words. The attitude is more or less sure of you. Wanna stay at the ritz. You're going to have to pay a little more. And if you just want low taxes you can go to texas or florida but you're not gonna get the same standard of living. What do you say to that. I don't know if that was or was not true. You're quite accurate that that was the condescending defense but the problem is now you get worse services the more you pay so we have the highest gasoline taxes in the nation are they will be scheduled if they're incrementally raising on coordinated with schedule. But i think if you look at fortune or forbes magazine were always forty eight or forty nine infrastructure. If you go down the ninety nine freeway where i live and you go from by salia to delano you should. That is the most dangerous a highway freeway. Whatever we call it in the nation per miles driven it is just two lanes and it's archaic. It hasn't been changed. Since i was a kid. It's just bumper to bumper and yet the people on that freeway are paying four dollars and four cents today for gas. A large number of that is taxes and special california fuels. If you look at the amount of money it costs to go to some california airports to fly out of it and you look at the quality of the airport cleaning service. It's a bad deal if you look at the taxes and you look at the schools. You're about forty six in test scores if you look at energy costs such as electricity were way way down Excuse me we're way up. Where i think. We're only second to The hawaiian island. What i'm getting out is that the more taxes we pay. Its thirteen point. Three percent top bracket income tax sales tax basket when you add local taxes and things is about Is about ten to twelve percent and when we do have a prop. Thirteen is nominally. One percent. Maximum of assessed valuation. You look at what people are actually paying for. These little exceptions and overrides and development causes more like one point five percent but more importantly the house is assessed such a huge rate that the actual tax bill the Prop thirteen by the way. They're chipping away at prop teens. Applicability it's more than most states california's your pain. So it's a state for rich people and for poor people 'cause we have some of the most generous subsidies in the world and I kind of a feisty mood. 'cause i drove around this morning to do some errands i can tell you that. I counted four four intersections where i could have bought clothes. I could have had a cold drink. I could have bought fruit. I could have bought tools there in other words there march. They're just people pullover every morning. They up and they sell. And that's all off the books no sales tax and get a huge clientele because it's ten to twelve percent cheaper than anything else even if they had the same prices store and ditto that with food. So what we're seeing troy to make a long story. Short is massive by the underclass. They just say you know what this is so much better than mexico to take one example. I don't care how bad california's better than it is. But i'm just not going to pay. I'm not gonna pay any attention to the regulations. Who could it's just crazy. And the guys who get hurt are the hardworking emigrant. Who tries to sell his canteen and get an actual restaurant out here in the country. Then they come in inspect them now. He's got a target on his back. Does he have wheelchair access. Does he have blue. Parking stalls for disabled is his food. And then the guy right down the road that just pulls up this canteen every day and they're completely exam and that means that a lot of people getting kind of tired of it and It's very funny. I would i. Would i have a dream sometime. I would take some of the stanford professors that i had run ins. That are very left wing. I am on all these issues. I like to walk them through one mile of orchards. Vineyards out here and show them things that would really affect their sensibilities whether it's the carcass of the rotting endangered species. Hawk that somebody shot in his rotting up on the transformer or the pile of garbage that was thrown into an irrigation pond that polluted the water or the number of people who come out and they camp and they defecate in the orchard has fashion because this is a reality a lot of us live on and yet they don't but it would really violate their green sensibility. Alright one more word from our sponsors right back after this the classicist podcast is brought to you by honey we all shop online even before the pandemic the convenience of a single transaction and quick delivery was a boon to those of us who don't have much nostalgia for many mall shopping but just like with traditional shopping. Were often left wondering if we've gotten the best bang for our buck we've all seen that promo code. Field taunted checkout thanks to honey manually. Searching coupon codes is a thing of the past. 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It's literally free and installs in just a few seconds and by getting it. You'll be doing yourself a solid and supporting this podcast get hunting for free at join. Honey dot com slash. Vh that's a joint honey dot com slash vh and we thank honey for sponsoring the classicist podcast. Last thing. that will ask you victor. There are a lot of people like me who left california. Many of whom have done so more in sorrow than anger is not that they hate the place in many cases they love it. They find the idea of living there anymore untenable. They're also a lot of people like yourself are hanging on but have an acute sense that the place is in some senses coming apart at the seams. A what will it take to hang onto those people or even bring some of those who have left back at. Do you have any hope that california will eventually right. Its course i do in the sense that The people in my town that are the police. The city council the local assembly Are all mexican. american. Without i mean all of the bureaucracy is and the town is sort of now back in a normal fashion because there's some of the best people in the world and they are sick of it. They are sick of being told that they're violating this regulation or they're violating that regulation. They are the communities that have to deal with illegal immigration. It's fine to be an assembly woman and get a bunch of wealthy white liberals pat you on the back and say that's so great. Were here with you for open. Borders is a very another thing to be a city councilman in salma and have your mexican american constituents say i've got an thirteen house here. I've got a local trash collector. There that goes around to these immigrant communities they given the trash they will not sign up for collection than they dump it on my yard. It's another thing to say. My child is being bullied by immigrant grains gangs and salvatore. He's called a gringo because he doesn't speak spanish so a lot of those communities and that's forty percent of the population is getting angry about it and in the melting pot is working sort of in the fashion of italians in the nineteenth century. That about one out of every three mexican americans mary. Somebody's not mexican. Americans about the same ratio is so called white people in california. So i'm optimistic about that. But what's tragic about it. If we just closed the border all these all these problems disappear we would have about. I don't know fifty thousand legal immigrants. We'd have people from the poon job we'd have people from korea we'd have people from the balkans we've had people in scandinavia. We'd have people from nigeria. But they would all come legally app skill sets. They speak english. They would assimilate they wouldn't have common large enclaves and then Race and ethnic background would be incidental. Non essential to week who we are in the immigrant communities would immediately begin enriching us all but will you let in hundreds of thousands of people from the poorest area in the world one of the most hip cool sophisticated areas and the host has no confidence in their civilization. The hostal and they will not believe in assimilation. They call it cultural appropriation. I'm not exaggerating obama. Excuse me joe biden's administration has outlawed the term assimilation and people come illegally and without english faith and without skills are capital than you have a prescription for what we have right now. It's an utter chaos and While all the the state hierarchies got one mission directive that is i'm going to guarantee parody right now to everybody who is residing in the state. You may have come a day ago from oaxaca where the for cabinet income has twelve hundred dollars a year. You may have an eighth grade education. But by god if you're living in her said california and you're below the poverty line on somebody's gonna pay for that. Will the problem with that is the somebody who's gonna pay for. That is now largely mexican american. The majority of them came legally and are upstanding citizens and they don't like it. That's why thirty six percent of voting for donald trump even in california. You've been listening to the classes. Podcast with victor davis hanson. Remember you can read all vickers work at victor hansen dot com and he's on twitter at vdi hanson. If you enjoyed the show please write it on. I tunes or wherever you get your podcasts. For victor davis hanson. I'm choice senate. Thanks for listening ricochet. Join the conversation.
Mike Church Show-Now That The CoronaoHoaxers Have Come For Our Priests, Will You Cease Following Evil Fake Science!
"Why would they go after. Father james oltman. Well the answer is very simple. And if you've been following him for any amount of time you already know this uh oh. He has been speaking out against the corona doom look around a hoax and he has refused to shut up. I've got to play you a piece of his homily from yesterday. I'm not gonna play the whole thing. there's a place in there where he talks about some of the risks that he has taken himself and These risks than The the risks than our He takes on on himself. We don't think about these things. We just take it for granted and the risk that Someone like former altman and my father. Uh damian's still blocking that they undertake is you know when you're putting communion on people's when you put it on their tongue There is a chance that your your. I've never done it. So i i can't give you an up close and personal view but your your hands your your fingers array basically in their mouth not in it. I know ms o'connell says he's done this. I'll play the clip. He's done this sixty thousand times gerona. Doom and at the end of the mass rinse his his fingertips and holy water or a little adds a little of the precious blood. Wine is protestants would call it. But it's the blood of our lord and then including chelsea drinks it that is an act of heroism and courage amongst among Amid the withering fire that comes from the corona doomsters. So we're gonna talk a little bit about that today and what that means for the rest of us. This d platforming this cancelling here. You want another cancel here on a my church. Show twenty three minutes past the hour. Wherever time zone. You may be in listening to this. This is from the editorial board of the wall street journal this morning for getting justice marshall and illinois law school drops his name as the left turns on the core l. I have my problems with uh if chief justice john marshall This is not one of them. The university of illinois board of trustees last week entered a no confidence. Vote against america's greatest supreme court chief justice starting in july the john marshall law school and chicago. We'll be known simply as the university of illinois chicago school of law now. Now listen to this. The press release sites marshals quote role as a slave trader slave owner of hundreds of slaves pro slavery jurors jurisprudence and racist views. He went to kill black grandma. I had to ask the question. Why don't we just cancel merica. James madison principally was the author of the constitution. He was a slave owner. Thomas jefferson principally offer the declaration of independence. He was a slave owner. What are we just be done with this. Just cancel the whole damn thing. Let's just hey look take your two hundred twenty two hundred dollars in unfunded liability. That will call it. Even you go your way. And i'm going to go mine. This is the go. To progressive indictment of american historical figures. Never mind that mar marshalls muscular jurisprudence. As chief justice from eighteen o one takes thirty-five forged the national government and economy powerful enough to fully to finally smash slavery generation after his death. The us is awash in oak in iconoclasm clasroom from washington. Dc's bid to erase ben franklin from the city building to the stanford theft gotta all bards vote and rename abe. Lincoln highschool the astonishing progressive. Turn on marshall law blogger. Josh blackman notes. Another law school may also cut ties carries its own significance intended or not marshaled. Legacy is at the heart of the skoda's debates in a speech last month carson against court justice steven brier appeared appealed to marginals legal authority. And look it's even worse than that. It's worse than that. The lib tard left and the deceptive. Con neo-con right. All love john marshall why because he gave the court they what's known as the process or judicial review even on the reasonable process of judicial review econo- decision marshall invented out of whole cloth. I forget the case wasn't most people say was marbury versus madison. Wasn't marbury i. I mean kind of where it began but he doesn't actually get rolling with judicial review on until eighteen ten or eighteen. eleven. I forget the case That's the principal one where the court says hey. We didn't give you permission to do this. Virginia i think it was virginia and virginia goes. We don't need no stinky permission. And then there's a couple of these you might remember. Andrew jackson famously said justice. Marshall has made his ruling. Now let him enforce. The door is supposedly he said. My point mean there's a lot of big government that is to love about justice. John marshall he should cross political lines is the point here. They are getting rid of you know when they start doing this folks and this began in earnest two years ago with the sacking of the confederate statues all across the united states. The tamped to purge history always ends in murder the it always ends in public executions. There are no exceptions to this. It will end in death. I don't know if it'll be me. I don't know if it'll be one of you but someone will bear martyrdom at the end of the kind of iconoclasm. That's how it's brought to an end. The people that are behind the get tired of killing go. Chris grow weary of it. No i mean it's still fun to watch it in the public square. And what have you. We're kind of executioner played. We need a new song and dance. I am not trying to be fee. Chief is allow this in any way shape or form so. The journal concludes the this autumn. Two supreme court will begin. What would could be the most consequential term in years with abortion and gun rights on the docket marshals insight that an independent judicial authority could serve the national andras by balancing against political off as is as relevant as ever some progressives. Wanna throw that out the window and instead intimidate the court and to their desired policy outcomes. Maybe that's the real reason. They want us to forget chief justice john marshall my church. Show here on the cruise h. And always on air always online at crusade channel dot com portion of program brought to you by the affirmation epoch times newspaper. We are an official marketing affiliate of the epoch. Times if you're going to go to their site and read the paper please. Use our link to get their crews h janelle dot com forward slash epoch crusade channel dot com forward slash epoch. Moving on because there's there's a lot to do here they're gonna come back to father altman and did this was from friday. Oh i remember what it wasn't wanted to talk about. Yesterday i went to another superspreader per spreader event three hundred and some odd people gathered together for the celebration of the holy sacrifice of the mass There was one person in the entire guy radiation. I had a mask on one We've been going the same superspreader event every sunday since august of last year. Let's do the math. shall we. All august september. October november december january february march april. And now into may so. That's ten months of weekly sometimes more than once a week attending super spreader events mine islands. No one has died as a result of the superspreader event. I haven't even seen any one. They got sick as a result other than myself with a superspreader event.
WOW: Take It From The Top Series With Matt Bond of KC Water
"The word part. I welcome to take it from the top podcast series where notable leaders in the water sector cher words of wisdom to help you navigate your way through the maze of challenges. You face today. i'm tom at your host and my guest today is former west president. Matt bond matt. Welcome to take it from the top. Thanks it's nice to be here in a new year and out of twenty twenty so what. I think. Many people share that sentiment. Matt i also know. Many people know matt from one of his many many activities in service to wealth as past member of the board of trustees or is services on the awards and recognition committee. Maybe one of his exciting performances in the brass section at jamming for water. The matt is matt is currently the deputy director of engineering for casey water. The public utility kansas city missouri. So matt it's now been about ten eleven months since the corona virus pandemic broke out in this country. And i expect by now. Casey water has adjusted to working procedures. You are in charge of delivering capital improvement projects for casey water. How or have you been able to maintain design and construction projects through the pandemic and if so. How are you managing this so tom. There's been some Adjustments on processes. Just keep projects and construction going so we still have most engineering managers working from all and i think the mayor's going to extend the stay at home guidance for another three or four months so We've really gotten to use a communications tools. Such as Microsoft teams to communicate frequently on our projects an and actually to do check ins on on a weekly basis of all his project managers working from from home and another judgment You know we had a project where we add manufacturer check out some big sluice gates on an overflow a control project and Turns out the manufacturer can get out there so They face facetime that manufacturer's rep in so we're finding out that people don't necessarily have to be physically present all the time to get some of our critical inspections that type things not example creative flexibility We had a major project last year. That's going through procurement guitar. I'll solids thermal hydrolysis project. And we right in the middle of our procurement for that down to three shortlisted contractors and then the pandemic We're using best practices of confidential meetings with each of those officers to get their ideas. We transition those meetings. All wrapped endemic yet to really talk about some of the risk items that they saw in major project like this. Because we don't have to make sure that we still got a good christ for the for the work in those conversations. I think we went into it. Assuming that the contractors would be concerned about fiscal separation on the work sites and getting work done in the field safely and turns out that there were more worried about supply chain issues. So what happens if they can't get critical piece of equipment out because the manufacturing facility in the uk or wherever in the world is closed so so we had conversations about that. We actually change contract documents to take on some of the risks or supply chain disruptions and it worked out extremely well. Our council adjust approved the winning contract of or that project at one hundred and forty million dollars with contingencies. And we really thought it was gonna be hundred fifty million dollars or more so at it worked out well. So on the plus side see some of these judgments are going to continue after the pandemic. We're gonna continue to use collaborative project delivery such as design build so we can identify those stop a risks and get best value for our ratepayers and then working with design and construction partners using these newer communications methods just to get get her critical work done. Well that's great my kudos to you and your team there for being creative and and adjusting and adapting to to the conditions that were thrown at us they say. Necessity is the mother of invention. I think you've definitely displayed that at also reminds me something i had read recently in an article that you talk about different ages you know we run the the space age and the information agent some saying we are now in the age of adaptability. And i think you're demonstrating that right now. Now that casey water is is a right up there in handling the age of adaptability. So they i wanna say probably the second big concern on everybody's mind after number one concern being the health of ourselves our family our friends and on probably the second big concern is the health of the economy and since march for example about fifty eight million people in this country have filed for unemployment benefits unemployment rate is double what it was just before the pandemic and in missouri. Alone where you live about. Twenty eight percent of the workforce have filed for unemployment currently unemployed. So we have this paradox. On the one hand you want to keep capital works projects going because that's jobs right that feeds the economy. The other hand you need the money to pay for those projects. Where does that money come from. It comes from your ratepayers and the ratepayers. Some of them don't even have jobs and can't even pay their own rent. So how is casey water tried to navigate. This sings impossible dilemma. Of course it's not been easy Artem the coronavirus pandemic we had planned to raise our wastewater a rates to keep with inflation and to meet the consent decree requirements that we have and that action was taken in april last year to go into fact of may first beginning of our fiscal year and the council still is not allowed us to raise our rates. So you know this does appear to be good news for the short term air but what about the work we need to get done. Right right Prior to the corona virus. We were completing negotiations on our consent decree bottom. Epa and because the current economic conditions were actually deferring and got acquiescence to the first some of those consent decree projects the ones especially that had less impact on overflow reductions in the next three to five years. But this is really only deferring the inevitable. sunday sunday. we're going to have to pay. So in fact in our negotiations with epa on the consent decree we were able to apply a lot of the principles affordability that rece- tablist in the two thousand and nineteen awa knock will report on affordability and guidance was provided to the epa. So a lot of it is as long as you've got good consulting help good financial help. A lot of it's fairly obvious about doing good rate forecasting and that type thank It's made a compelling case locally that our wastewater rate increases were not sustainable for rate payers and using that guidance was very helpful in those conversations and then the other thing that we've found is like many urge urban areas the distribution of income is not a normal bellcore raven level. But really we're seeing. The income levels are distributed the high and low ends of the income spectrum and that's law the conversations we add us were developing that guide says well and it's the same thing here in kansas city so actually the lowest quintile or bottom twenty percent of our customers pay on average fifteen percent of their income on their combined. Water belt regretful. That epa took much of our input into the draft guidance. They released in september and they're listening to the consent decree negotiation so hopefully that That guidance will be approved early this year and i know that The entire sectors working to to hopefully get that done. Yeah you a couple of things here a math that i want to touch on that. You're talking about one is a big shoutout that to the people that are west of the volunteers and the staff at with that put together that The principal on a affordability that that document. You referenced that was done jointly with wwafl. Nakagawa think that was tremendous help to the epa the feedback that i heard personally from some of the folks at the epa. Was this kind of stuff that we need we because we need concrete information and to build our decisions upon so i wanna give a shout out to that that you referenced. The second thing is. I want to go back to something. You just said here. If i heard you right you said that the bottom twenty percent of your customers. That's one fifth of your customers. Pay on average about fifteen one. Five percent of their income on their combined water bill. That's amazing that for real. You know as an engineer. It's hard for me to come up with art fast number like that because there's a lot of options to go into that we have to make the on the household size how many people limit of our customers homes but the range that we calculated was twelve to sixteen percent. The median household income of that lowest quintile is being spent on water wastewater combined bills. So so yeah fifteen percents a pretty good number that when i calculated it was Was i opening for me as well. Doesn't that just a shock. You or or i mean. It's stunning to me. That that that people are spending that much of their income on the necessity of water and sanitation. It does and really i think it's. It's almost criminal that we have federal low income support rather utilities such a new electricity when you can live for a day or more electricity not without water so fortunately. There's there's mounting advocacy work. That's coming together and left to capitalize on these messages as well as possible. Water infrastructure stimulus. Fundings we transitioned into the new presidential administration and now to be clear matt your statistics that you gave us your affordability statistics that's just for kansas city. And you did a lot of work to to calculate that but we know anecdotally and with real information that utilities many utilities across the country are facing the same thing okay. They're all facing these similar hardships and they have ratepayers at the lower end of the income spectrum facing similar odds just stacked against them on the spot here matt. What's the solution. Well obviously it's not simple and It's really hard to solve it just the local utility level so we need to keep pushing for good federal state local policies and amac is required as take on many short term measures like suspending water. Shutoff since our communities struggle with competing priorities reduced income. You know as we see light at the end of the tunnel for a vaccine. Now i think have unique opportunity to drive the discussions in a public forum that our water utility services that were proven day in day out is essential during the pandemic must be kept operational water infrastructures paramount. Good health just consider the simplest corona virus defense which handwashing this requires clean water so congress just passed the covid consolidated appropriations act and it was a bit of a surprise to us than actually includes over six hundred million dollars of support directly to water utilities for low income water and wastewater rate payers so. This is a very good start so we must continue to drive the understanding while we come to take water services for granted that cannot be provided for free did continue to keep critical water infrastructure systems. Operational there's national effort continued allow water shut offs that must come with low income customer support like that. The congress just passed so that customers can convey their bills and our fellow citizens. Don't dig themselves into deeper all with their other mounting debt because waters dot net pay for right so like the guidance we're trying to get through we also need emphasize. It's not just drinking water. But all water water wastewater and stormwater systems that must be maintained for economy public health and safety very well said and as you pointed out. It's all water that is important and You know if you don't look the stormwater we have localized flooding and of course We all know about wastewater and its importance to public health. They're so very well Stated there matt. We'd love to keep on talking to you about these points. But i want to switch gears because you cover so many things. You're an amazing person here. So i want to get as much as i cannot even the few minutes that we have so. I'm going to switch gears. Now and talk about sustainability. Which i know is another one of your big passion areas and it's also big passion of kansas city leadership and they have made it a point at the very serious about their commitment to the environment and about building a sustainable livable city people who know kansas city. Kansas city is famous for its fountains. But more recently kansas city is getting to be known as a very liveable green city. There's a commitment by the city leaders towards making it a bicycle friendly city. You have a downtown bike loop and there's big project in the works that the ceo bikeway project and so you're known for your green skates and rain garden. So i'd like you to tell us a little bit about. Casey waters work in green infrastructure. That's exciting times here With our council we have a lot of momentum around great infrastructure so All titians are actually know seeing the value in green infrastructure solutions and almost every ordinance even waterman replacement. They asked us Did you consider green infrastructure. So so we've got a good political foundation. They realized that it provides more direct benefit to citizens at the surface then buried infrastructure does. And so you know we just get asked about it all the time. So one of our Overlooked patrol program or middle of louvre marlborough green infrastructure pilot project which was at four sites. Really helped us to learn how to inform our local residents what to expect as we also learned many technical lessons so now kind of like asset management. I think a lot of people have different feelings. What green infrastructure might look like. And it doesn't look like a manicured lawn. It looks a lot different. You need to make sure you understand those expectations and help shape them. So we also just celebrate another unique green infrastructure project in our west bottoms with a permeable paving parking lot and a major bio retention facility so adapting it into an urban setting was was really fun and challenging. So so what we're trying to do is try to turn around this basic green mindset of the politicians and we have and turn it into more mature understanding of sustainable infrastructure so providing a great foundation. We really need to be talking about more More aspects of sustainability so are proposed consent decree modifications were working with epa actually will provide hundreds more of green acres with even larger multi department green infrastructure. So a lot of rather departments parks works are getting involved in helping to shape The larger project so early looking at projects Adjacent to the country club plaza and large project Just a couple miles west of her office so With through through. Daniel morgan parks exciting times clearly. Kansas city is setting. The example is is leading by example for the rest of the country. And i do encourage folks wants variable to get out and travel more safely is to get down to kansas city to to see firsthand. The things that they are doing with sustainability in green infrastructure. Because i think you could learn a lot and learn a lot from the lessons learned from from kansas city. And i wanted the things you said. There matt is that With the green infrastructure. One of the things that the leadership has learned is that green infrastructure infrastructure provides multiple benefits more than like you said than just a buried pipe in the ground it not only provides that that storm water retention but you also have reduced flooding. You have water filtration rights cleaning the water biodiversity and sex at the aesthetic so there's multiple benefits from one project. That's that's true. All those are true. The other thing is that it drives jobs. So not only for the construction but Green infrastructure infrastructures provided the type of entry level jobs for the city for the long term maintenance of that green infrastructure so for my engineering mindset related to keep these systems fully operational to keep that rain water out of the combined system live up to our commitments. Epa so we need to plan operations and maintenance of the you know the plantings and everything else just like. We do. Our sewers plants pump stations. So i'm proud to casey. Water was one of the founding partner utilities and national green infrastructure certification program. This program maintains a setup national standards for training and workforce development for this unique skill set of maintaining living plants and the associated drainage systems. So we've already trained over fifty people Through the angie. Icp and blanda open up these classes to share with other agencies and utilities and altered kansas city area. So we know that what is working for a long-term transition up the ngi cpi program look forward to continuing to support it with our financial tactical of human resources and just want to highlight here again. You said fifty people five zero people from associated with casey water have been trained in this Green infrastructure maintenance which is which is just tremendous again that lets contractors. Designed professionals are actually turning a couple folks into full-time employs the city from a contractor so boy so you know you really like you said putting your Putting your money where your mouth is and saying that this is jobs and you you clearly. These are john. Fifty people now have jobs because of this green infrastructure and you you know you mentioned in very rightly so green infrastructure needs to be maintained wants her to describe it says look green. Infrastructure is a technology. It's just like It's just like a clarifier or activated sludge. it's a technology. It happens to be living technology. Let's run and as a result. It has its own unique way of design and maintenance for it and if i can continue on this path talking about sustainability because another example of kansas city's commitment to sustainability is that you actually have an ordinance that was passed not long ago that requires public works projects to document the sustainability the projects using the envision program. And just i want to spell this out because we are you know. We're we're on the air here but it's e. n. v. i s. i o. n. and vision that i'm saying and this program. It helps provide guidance on sustainable practices when you're dealing with infrastructure. So why don't you tell the listeners. A little bit. What is the envision program. And how does casey water apply it to your projects. So envision as frame were developed by the institute for sustainable infrastructure that documents sustainability and the infrastructure feel much like a lead does in the buildings industry. So it's just another way to look at st ability so said he did adopt that ordinance in two thousand fourteen to use vision and in fact the middle of blue river green infrastructure project that i talked about before achieved platinum certification in two thousand sixteen. i've been here about three and a half years at At casey water and in my initial observations though it seemed to me that we had stagnated a bit showing value with envision. Sometimes we just talked about was in the contracts. We're not really having meaningful sustainability discussions especially to get to some of the more routine projects such as pipeline replacement rehabilitation project that type of thing so envisioned recently upgraded to significantly upgraded enhanced version three. So because we wanted to go ahead make that switch to that new version. We took the opportunity to really take listrik. Look at how we applied vision. I would try and more of our staff and we also engaged are smart program consultant to create modified guidance around at version three. So when you look at the envision credits to measure sustainability what they look at are essentially five areas aquatic life leadership and how you put the programs together resource allocation on the natural world so there is the environmental art part of it and then the fifth part is climate and resilience so after that effort were not rolling out are modified envisioned tools. So the tools. We have to implement envision a playbook some conversation guides refund put together and we actually used a couple projects to to really drive the conversations and then evaluation tools. How we measure where we're headed on the project from sustainability standpoint and putting all that together in a tiered implementation system so you have three tiers. The tier one guidance was set up for four types of routine a pipeline replacement rehabilitation projects. So in those tier one projects moving down the civic envision criteria that are applicable to that type of project in driving the conversations with the designers specific to their implementation so those more routine projects we just have some baseline things were going to do with ambitions. We don't have to evaluate every time that again then drive those discussions that this is how we're going to adapt it to particular project. Then tier two means that we will partner with our design professionals scope out a full envision analysis of all the factors and then tier three ads on to tier two and that we will actually seek that certification and pay the fees or verification so We just trained our internal staff on the new tools. Got it rolling out to casey water projects. It's also be built into the business case development for our annual cip cycle where we will make a preliminary determination of weather projects are tier one tier two or three as those tier two tier. Three projects will are additional consultants scope and potentially costs and matt one of the things. I wanted to highlight that you said. I think that this is a very telling as you said you know. Originally you worked with invasion things kind of flat line kinda got you know a so so about it. Is that the new version. Here is your rolling out conversation guys and you have said this. Multiple times actually kept saying dr the discussions drive the discussion so it sounds like this conversation. Guide is one of those things that helps fuel keeping that discussion so that doesn't become stagnant. So i love your talk on that. And i want to ask you hear about. You're talking about that. You know your design when you partner with your design professionals that consulting engineers coming to the design it seems like a these folks. It behooved them to become train themselves. What is vision if they want to be useful to you know you as a client. Can you talk a little about that. Oh yes those conversations of already happened. So we're doing this like a it as part of the cip cycle so. That's where we kick off. No we have a project. The next major major hurdle to overcome is the process. So we've developed mark yar guidance for what we desire to get out of the project what we already know around envision tears and that kind of thing and and yes. The successful consultants will learn very well that they need to come up to speed on a more mature understanding of ambition to be selected on projects. So it's actually built into our to our future and we are accused go out without without requirement. That's fantastic because what you are doing is planting the seed so that these consulting firms who worked for other folks beyond casey water it now pushing them to be in that mindset and they can then to other clients that hey have you heard about this envision thing and what you're doing is helping to spread you're that that pebble in the water. That's that's the making the rings of the water spread out there. That's fantastic and matt. I can go on all day because you were engaged in so many things in folks that know you know that you know you know so much stuff about this industry. You are one of the go-to people as we just talked about here. You know five four or five different subjects that you're an expert in And i wish. I could talk to you all day about this. But at any rate we gotta bring it to a close so i'm going to leave you with one last question for our listeners. Here so matt. It's often been said that in a crisis there's always an opportunity. So what is one opportunity. Or maybe a positive outcome that you have taken away from this very negative pandemic. That's a great question I guess i'd say that a silver lining is over. You know seems like rather suddenly over the last three or four months. All sudden a good people are coming available and interested in joining casey water. Obviously our see the engineering activities for engineering business unit. We had a very hard time competing for entry. Level engineers with our salary but in the last few months We've actually landed worthy six new graduates that we desire to hire that The barney joined us. They've actually joined right at the end of last year. I this year so and then there's also some more senior professionals that are coming available at engineering experience in and other sectors so oil and gas Electrical transmission and delivery and they seem to be seeking stability in value to society at working in the water utility sector so expect in the next few months we're going to be fully staffed and then the next challenge will be keeping them as the economy improves. The so i look forward to looking for life you know. We all know how great fulfilling careers aren't water sector and it's easy to pass that word along especially with the ear like we had last year or so. We can leverage this momentum to our entry level operations and maintenance folks as well and we're seeing some signs of that we're we're we're also getting getting it for the for the folks as well so well. That sounds like casey water has become the new google in terms of the place to go work. We'll see so so far so good. Now i'm chuckling. Everyone that we have to keep them. That's right that's good good matt. This is fantastic. Great stuff It's really useful information here for the folks that are working in public works and steady government than those working with infrastructure and funding of infrastructure. So we're going to be wrapping here and once again i guessed has been west past president matt bond matt. Thanks for being on the program and for taking your time to share your experiences as a water sector leader with us. Thanks tom. it's been great to address the sector like to express appreciation west africa leaders who kept Not only relevant impactful during these times so wife. Tech connect Kudos to you all was much better than i hoped. Especially in a couple of months to get that together. I know that the current leadership was rated adapter industries challenges and opportunities. So if i can help in any way let you know wow open everyone can stay safe. We pray for robust recovery and twenty twenty one and stick by close by your phone because we will be calling you. This has been taken from the top with your host. Tom kuntz asking you to keep listening to west words on water podcasts into our next episode of take it from the top it till next time be positive and stay negative perfect.
Deborah Cribbs, Chair of the Board of Trustees for Joanie Bernard Foundation & The Ten movement
"The you've tuned into the community cats podcast reading. Let's go welcome to the community. Cats podcast. I'm your host stacey lebaron. I've been involved helping homeless cats for over twenty years with the merrimack river feline rescue society. The goal of this podcast is to expose you to amazing. People were proving the lives of cats. I hope these interviews will help you learn how you turn your passion for cats into action. Today we're speaking with deborah cribs. Deborah is the board of trustees chair for the joni bernard foundation and ten movement. Scooter the neuter. Kat took greater cincinnati and the nation by storm in two thousand and thirteen with an edgy. Irreverent and hilarious campaign that encouraged spay neuter and feeling education to achieve a no kill community nearly eight years later scooter. The neuter cats initiatives have unequivocally been success. The shelter live release rate percentage of cast that enter shelters and are released adopted was merely thirty seven percent for cats in cincinnati wins. Scooter debuted today. The rate is more than ninety six percent. The queen city is now considered a no kill community and a paragon for other cities to emulate. These tremendous results are thanks to several factors people and organizations including the leadership of deborah cribs. The chair of the board of trustees for the joni bernard foundation on the ten movement the parent organizations of scooter. The neuter cat today crips considers herself scooters mother and has committed herself to approving the nine lives of cats cribs. Personal experience has deepened. Her connection to the work of the movement she leads. She has a colony of community cats in our backyard and is an admitted failed foster parent. Who fell in love with her foster and ended up getting. She has overseen every scooter campaign on encouraged her creative team to keep pushing the boundaries to spread awareness for spe nude or community categorization and adoption and fostering cats all supporting the mission to become a no kill community when cribs whose career was in the banking industry and the board were originally bequeathed. The money to form the bernard foundation. They're only charged was to improve the lives of cats due in part to cribs vision. They have accomplished that and so much. More in addition to having played a role in dramatically raising the live release rate to unprecedented heights in the region. She's guided the ten movement to provide support and forge partnerships with greater cincinnati shelters adoption and foster organizations and spay neuter clinics. Cribs believes. there's still plenty of work to be done. The ten movement continues to fund creative public service campaigns spearheaded by scooter the neutered cat including the recent mild kingdom initiative for creative cat awareness and past promotions. Like cat math and talk to your cat about sex that have sparked viral interest across the country for their fun cheeky takes on life saving resources for cats devout animal lover. Cribs is a vegetarian. Enjoy trying new foods and an occasional glass of red wine shelter loves books star trek and international travel which sparks new opportunities to learn appreciate cultural differences. She lives in cincinnati with her husband in pets. Cribs and scooter have no plans to slow down. They will continue educating the public until there is a hundred percent no kill nation for cats. Deborah like to welcome you to the show. Thank you glad to be here. So i can't wait to dive into all of the information that was in your bio but i i want to find out. How did you become so passionate about cats. You brought this vision to the joni bernard foundation you know. What is it about cats that get you going. Well i suppose. I grew up with cats. We had Companions since i can remember as a child and being somewhat of an introvert and sometimes a little snotty myself. I think they just spoke to me. So i've always had cats in my life and this foundation allowed me to express a lot different elements in my life together which is great so deborah. Tell me a little bit about the ten movement and how that all got started. Sure as my bio says i am was done in. 'em currently a banker. I manage money for clients of wealth. And i had a particular client mother daughter combo and they were extraordinarily wealthy and had no heirs at all one of the few things that brought them joy in. I would say somewhat dysfunctional life. A different kind of life are cats and their love of cats kind of came from my love of cats and they died and left a foundation in the control of my bank and my bank has allowed me to chair this foundation for a number of years now and probably into the future. So it was. I'd like to say serendipity that gave now my team and i had the opportunity to create a legacy for my client the donor and a legacy for us as well. It most certainly has become my life's work so deborah i'm gonna ask you this question because this is actually a hot topic for me with regards to planning for a legacy after you pass away or if you have cats that you are responsible for making sure that you have planning from that standpoint win these folks approached you. Did this happen before. They passed away or afterwards. Did you have an idea about this ahead of time. I mean it's i'll say it's complicated estate. Planning for this kind of wealth is part of my job and it is very complicated but to answer your question. The clients did not have heirs and knew that there are vast wealth needed to go somewhere and given the cats were one of the few things they actually like. They knew that they wanted to leave the money to care for cats in the cincinnati area. And that's key because that's that's a very small area and a lot of money to care for cats so to your question. These decisions need to be properly made long before dusk if you have assets to accommodate whatever your wishes and under my stewardship. These clients created a private foundation. Not an unusual thing to do. This is an extremely large foundation. It's public information that it's a ninety plus million dollar foundation and we are required to give away five percent every year as po. The irs rules. Yeah i'm actually familiar with some of these rules. At what an incredible opportunity before you got involved with them. You've talked about your vision. Were there any mentors that you had to learn about the different community cap programs that were out there or did you already know about t. r. and no sort of have this vision of wanting to help the cats cincinnati area but it seems like you're also trying to provide resources on a national level. Well interestingly i came about this probably from what used to with your guest on the businessperson my team major business people and this foundation was established as a business as part of my business when the clients died much younger than we would have thought we were completely in charge of this foundation. And the client's wishes were that. It benefit cats in the greater cincinnati area as bankers as stewards as trustees it is our fiduciary responsibility to carry through with clients wishes. Even if we don't agree. So i got myself a couple of teammates within the bank. They happen to be friends than they happen to. Also love cats and there we went. But i think the difference is that we are business. People and suddenly we were charged with spending vast amount of money for a very specific cause and it was only then that i started educating myself truly on animal welfare and cat welfare in specific specifically and cat welfare in the greater cincinnati area. Where i think. I am now the foremost world's expert on the topic honestly so it's actually a critically focused and targeted project and one of the things that i have always promoted over. The years is working in a targeted way. So having a designated service area so that if you are resource limited you're going to be able to make a greater impact by being able to focus your resources and not distribute them far and wide so it sounds like you've got like the deepest of the deep dive going on there for for cats in the area. Yes very much undefined. They say just to continue answering something. I think your listeners. If i understand your audience might be interested in. We're business people. we do. Math were bankers. We went out into this area and started meeting all of the leaders in the animal welfare movement locally and without trying to cause any offence i will say that there is dysfunction in this arena when it comes to business so it was very difficult was very challenging for us when we had a the do -ciary responsibility to spend this money wisely to actually spend that much money on this specific a cause in this specific an area. It was very challenging. Mostly because of the grave business dysfunction that we found and i could frankly go on and on about that but what. I will say that we did while. Private foundations generally do not fund employment positions. Because we don't want somebody to lose a job. If we stop funding it took us about a year to understand the lay of the land. The problems the challenges locally regionally nationally and we realized that we were lacking the kind of progressive leadership that we needed in this area. There was a very old style. And i'm sure your listeners. Understand what that is a very old style shelter county shelter management team and we realized that we needed a different kind of leadership so we did fund we sort of identified the most functional of the groups and funded them to hire an executive director for a couple of years. And she's still working wonders in the very position. And they were able to fund it funded after the couple of year grant cycle but we realized that here's this non-progressive shelter management team. That had all been in place for twenty five plus years and there was a very progressive movement outside of cincinnati in various parts of the country that we educate ourself upon and we thought. Okay we can go around the county shelter and eat around the edges and maybe have incremental success or we could dance with the devil understand why they do what they do and see if we can more expeditiously get to success locally and we did choose that option we danced with the devil and it took a while it took us fully five years. And i'm not when you say for a second that we are the only reason that this change happened but beating people over the head with money. Hand succeed right. It's one of the things that i've had a colleague say knows you got to drink the kool aid Fund program and let them just try something out for a month or two than that usually help with convincing folks to try something new. How did you get involved. You fund some community cat programs specifically well as we went along this journey and looked at it from a business standpoint. I will say that our donor probably would have been happy. I like to say at this way. Now that every cat in cincinnati had abed on telephone but we realized this is a sincere problem. Cats are being killed in shelters regionally and nationally and again as business people. We said well what will solve the problem. Let's forget about you know yes. We want to take care of cats and make sure that every cat has a bad and help with adoption and all that what is really the problem here and we decided that we would concentrate on spay neuter and i think everybody will agree that if the spay neuter situation was taken care of than the rest of it perhaps can fall in line. So we've concentrated for these years on spay neuter and we started funding spay neuter programs. Now one of the first things we realized is that we needed a high volume. Low cost new facility. And that was the original group that we funded to find space. Retrofit ended up being retrofitting a space and to date. We've funded the building of a high volume center in indianapolis. There's one that will open in dayton. Ohio within the next year. It's a little delayed we've funded one in columbus and we're working right now on a sizable project in northern kentucky. So we're trying to create a ring of success around the greater cincinnati area but looking at spay neuter and educating ourselves. We quickly understood on at the time we called it. John are now. I think we call it. Community cut programs or even return to field. So i'm just gonna use the old term but we started to understand in order to fix the problem the lowest hanging fruit the one that will make the biggest impact. The quickest was tr and community cat program. So that's why we started funding. Those as a funder you can't you shouldn't create interest from a group meaning. A group has to organically. Come to us and say we're ready to do this thing. You know we wanna do this thing. Can you find this thing. But we're ready to do it. We know how to do it but because it was a very new idea in this area and again because of that grades business dysfunction or lack of progressive thought. We did have to be a little bit. Beat people over the head with money to get some of these community programs started but to your point once. They saw success and realized that the urban myths around the public not being shaver really really were not present in any of the programs that we funded once. They had the success. You're right more. And more people jumped on you say goodbye scooping say hello to a better litterbox introducing kitty. Sift the eco friendly waterproof litterbox made of recycled cardboard. Just lift sift and reuse. See it on amazon or go to kitty sift dot com and use coupon code podcast for fifteen percent off by now you know how powerful the do bert software platform is facilitating everything from transport to fostering with just a few clicks. 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Are you ready to be part of the solution for farrell. Stray cats in your neighborhood if so then make sure to sign up for our next neighborhood. Cats t on our certification workshop. A new workshop is held online each month. Generally on the first saturday of the month but please check our website for exact dates for just ten dollars expert. Instructors will teach you practice for trap. Neuter return tr learn what tr is and why it works. We'll cover getting along with neighbors. Preparations for trapping trapping itself including entire colonies at once feeding providing winter shelter and more take advantage of the interactive format extensive handouts and video footage of actual projects attendees will receive a certificate of attendance and gain access to an ongoing facebook group for networking with other activists. The two and a half hour workshop is led by susan richmond the executive director of neighborhood cats and bryan curtis neighborhood cats national programs director to find out the date of the next workshop and sign up just visit community cats podcast dot com so for folks that are maybe not necessarily in the ohio and kentucky indiana area. You've created this other campaign. What sort of resources are available to other folks. Now you've seen how to make change and impact. What do you have in your basket of tricks. Basically to share with us that others can use to help really encouraged a greater community cap programs greater t and our returned to field all of these things that that we know work but we want to try and educate the public on this. Thank you very much for asking not again back to the beginning. When we started trying to understand the problem we also had a very strong conviction that half of our money needs to be spent on. The ground in that work is in the greater cincinnati. Area we work in a one hundred mile radius. We very rarely fund national projects. At this point. I mean there will be a day when every cat in the cincinnati for each has a phone in a bed and we will move out but but right now we still have work that we can do one hundred mile radius. The other half ish of the fines needed to go to engaging the public because it is our opinion. If we do not make this public problem than we will always be chasing our tails proverbially. And that's what's happened. The last fifty years basically since animal welfare work began in this country. If we hide it from the public which i believe was the old paradigm in play than the public doesn't realize they need to be engaged on. It's their responsibility. We feel very strongly that we need to be transparent and let the public know it is their problem and i think anybody in a shelter environment around the country and around the world under sansa. Show that you've got a hurricane cat. The public answers right. I mean of course so then. We said well. Gosh how are we going to engage the public. And and i hesitate to say educate the public because the public doesn't really want to be educated but trying to engage as a whole different thing. We think so we Long story short hired an ad agency to do just that and we started doing a series of ad campaigns and it was interesting gun. Anybody that knows cats gets a at first. We knew we wanted to engage with humor. And we wanted to be edgy. So we did create our mascot and spokes cat scooter. The neuter cat hip spectacles no testicles says scooter speaks for us and at first scooter was out telling the public you need to do this for the betterment of the world. Well that was kinda fun campaign. But i don't think public ran to help than we did. You need to do this because it will help you in your household and we were highlighting bad cat behaviors. That occur if you don't spay neuter and that campaign was called. Talk to your cat about sex. It might be my favorite love that one so okay. The public responded. We got really famous locally and we did have a couple of viral videos. Come out of that but we're not solving the problem. The public our ads. But are they doing anything. Are they doing more so we did another campaign again. It was funny as cat mascots in multiply. But they're terrible at math but they share can multiply or they sure do multiply so. That was the catnap campaign. That was a couple of years ago again. Everybody really liked it. It certainly talked about how cats can multiply and the math of. It is astonishing when you're first presented with those numbers their astonishing so again. The public love the campaigns. But we weren't saying the needle is moving more because of the work we were doing on the ground this year. This kiss horribly challenging year we started a campaign that we call mild kingdom and mild kings on basically includes billboards and spots on tv and radio and digital lots lots of digital that tells the public. Hey cats are out there in their mild kings And they need to be spaniard even if their community cats and not living in your house and we basically told the public. If you call this number we will help you. We will even pay to get these cats spayed or neutered. Well my goodness here it is. The public has responded. We've had hesitated engagement across all of our platforms and the needle is now moving differently. We're not having to move it as hard. The public is really helping to move the needle on community cats. So we've created all of these campaigns at great cost in this is a professional campaign that's been created and we've got lots and lots of collateral material everything from door hangers to digital videos to websites to tv spots and we're willing to offer those at very very low cost just to leverage the message nationally. So i think that's something maybe your listeners would be interested in that sounds tremendous. It sounds fantastic and a folks are interested in finding out more specifically about this campaign and how to participate. Where would they go question on our website for the foundation. The joni bernard foundation dot org. We do have a letter of intent portal and that gets to me. I do read all of them and i respond to all of them again. We only work. I'm going to say on the ground meaning funding programs locally in that hundred mile radius. But if somebody used that portal to talk about an interest in our ad campaigns. I would most certainly engaged with them on that. that's fantastic. I mean i could see that being used as an outreach tool to help continue to support spay neuter clinics or voucher programs or something like that in the area communities that kind of thing so accurately really see some synergies there around that and i run these trapper. Training certification programs with neighborhood cats on a monthly basis and over sixty percent of the attendees are actually funding their. Tnn are on their own and doing all the work on their own. So you know it's not always just about an organisational thing to it's about how to empower the public to be able to turn their passion for cats into action. Yeah i couldn't agree more what we've just begun to find ourselves is if we tell the public there's a problem and give them a tool. We are finding we do have to give them a tool. They will put sweat equity into it where they may not be able to or be willing to put money into it. We find that they are willing to engage with us by doing some of the work. We just give them the tool which is a phone number and then instructions so yes so. Are there any other sites other than the. Johnny bernard foundation that you want to mention to our listeners. Today sure we created what we call the ten movement which is give them ten dot org our website so cats have nine lives. Give them ten dot org. That has some great information and our new campaign called mild kingdom is mild kingdom dot org. There's a lot of information about trapping and community cats on really. Both of those things for asking debra. Is there anything else. You'd like to share with our listeners. Today i'd love for everybody to look at our websites to see some of our spots. And if you have interest in another jurisdiction around the country love it if you'd reach out to me and see if maybe we can help leverage some of these great spots in other communities excellent deborah. I want to thank you so much for agreeing to be a guest on the show. And i hope we'll have you on again in the future and i also know you participated in the online cat conference and wanted to thank you so much for that to save you for us to be here. That's it for this week please. Head over to apple podcasts. And leave a review. We love to hear what you think at a five star review really helps others find the show. You can also join the conversation with listeners. Can't caretakers and me on facebook and instagram. and don't forget to hit. Follow or subscribe on spotify apple podcasts. Google podcasts youtube stitcher. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. You don't miss a single show. Thanks for listening and thank you for everything that you do to help. Create a safe and healthy world for cats.
A Career in Broadcasting with Joel Feick, ABC-12 & NBC25/FOX Anchor
"Hello this is. Arthur bush in listening to radio free flint. Thank you for joining us. In today's episode. Our guest is joel. Feick joel share stories about his life as a reporter in this podcast joel. Shares memories of the characters with whom he covered journalists. It also shares memories of his colleagues and other reporters in the mid michigan area. He worked for twenty seven years for abc. Twelve and then. Eight years at nbc. Twenty-five fox sixty six where he concluded his career in november. Twenty twenty joel was elected to the grand blanc. Township board of trustees is now working for the disability. Not worth the greater flatware. He's following his passion to help others as well in two thousand and five and won an emmy award for best consumer news. One that emmy award for a series of reports on hob- insulated home till also one other news awards including the upi in awards along with the national golden. Am i award. He's enjoyed hundreds of interviews from president. George h w bush ernie harwell to arthur bush but the ones that brought him the most jarring with the ones that are involved average people unique situations. Joel feick is one of the nicest men in the news. Business and haven't privilege of working with him for many many years throughout my entire career This interview was a was a thrill in joy for me personally and i hope you share few laughs with us as we Recount joel's wonderful time in the flint media of business joel and his wife. Christine live in grand blanc with their son. Lucas we thank you and appreciate you joining us. Not radio pre flint. If you'd like to listen to other podcast episodes please go to. Www dot radio free flint dot media. That's www dot radio free flint dot media. It's all free for now further ado. Here's our rollicking interview are right. This is arthur bush. Welcome to radio free flint. I've chased my guest away already right side choice back. This are there. Bush where we're here. I'm here in sunny florida. I'm the sun coast and tampa bay area. It's now eighty degrees or more outside joel. What's the weather conditions in your neighborhood. Colder been crap. I just had to run to the post office. It's cold in a how it gets that depressing january february into march kind of a gray cold yet so make sure glad to be from michigan because as soon as that goes away. You're happy is a happy. Heck anybody might my guest for those of you around the country across the globe. This podcast has been in sixteen countries last year. This worldwide Anyway joel feick. This is the first for both of us because the camera is switched so to speak. I want to know when you were little. What did you want to be. When he grew up. It started for me at the dinner table. You know i was second. Youngest five kids and i got no attention and move our oakland law so to speak. My mother's brother in law was like the ed phelps of toledo for for local reference. He was like the sports guy. You know his name is frank gilhooly and he got all this attention. My parents god love him. Jane and john feick god wrestler souls. They talked about was franko. Hooley franken who did this. Frankly did that. There's a picture babe ruth holding frank. You'll at one point. That was in her house anyway. i just thought wow. This guy's getting a lot of attention and he was like the local six hundred eleven anchor. Sports guy also did the mud hens games and i think the head Affect on me. I think by the time. I got into high school in certainly when When i went into college. I knew i wanted to be a broadcaster. I wanted to tell stories. Whatever motivated you to want to work on houses. What fascinated by houses. I'm not that handy backstory. Is that joel. Houston do some kind of segment and that was a segment or show. Yeah it was a segment this old house or something like that. Yeah it's called homework. It was with bill lewis who was a local inspector. He was the handy guy. I was the tv guy to know lead them. I the guy asking questions and he takes us into putting in some bumps in fricks whatever basements and insulation and we got to go to the kitchen and bath show in chicago several years in a row because we do like twenty stories while we were there and that was a lot of fun. You know i'd be interviewing dom deluise and the supermodel vendela they happen to be there all my. Hey come over here. i wanted to talk to you. And then i did more stories on toilets. I think than any other local reporter your adventure in the remodeling world obviously was a digression. You're really As a journalist became most well known by anchoring although you know in now. I'm not in it anymore. I think you're really did into anchoring for the money. The real solid reason. I got into reporting was television. It's because a reporting it is so exhilarating for me. Now may be different for other people but for me. It was exhilarating to be able to go to do the story and they say go interview. Art bush. And i'd go interview art portion. Here's the story that he told us of this crime. Let's say we go to the house. We interview the neighbors we talked to you. We edit the sound bite. We do this story. It's like a little movie. you know. Talk about creative control. I loved that part. And then the anchoring make sure your hair looks good. Make sure you got your not shining up here Read the prompter have a fun. Time with sports and weather and sagan. I get off on time and it was really more show biz side of it one of the things of public. I don't think understands us that the people that are doing that kind of stuff a lot of times. They're not doing that kind of stuff that right now what they're gonna say right if they actually write it out not like me. I made it up right now. We're selecting the stories all day long or did so. Yeah there's a lot of every day were writing and then and then it gets knocked into the teleprompter right. How long did it take you to learn to read a teleprompter. Well that was pretty easy as long as you can see it You know i. I wrestled with contacts in as i aged. My eyes got worse. And then sometimes you couldn't read the print But for the most part reading a prompter was easy as long as the prompter operator was keeping up with us you know. It's the dullest job television to be until about prompter operator. And sometimes you know your mind wanders after an hour and a half you're in there running this little controller and they're like dude. Stay with me you know. So yeah where did you grow out. What lido yes. I went to j. zoo grade. School saint francis to sales high school. All boys catholic and went to the university of toledo to do broadcasting and also university of toledo graduate. Is david leighton really law school at the university of toledo. So yeah i loved you know. I think i really blossomed in college. I think i was a bit of nerd high school. I really didn't know what i wanted to do. More i was once i got to college. I figured it all out and it was like look out. I loved it now. Did you play sports or did you. I was on the golf team barely. I really didn't. It was kind of a late bloomer in that regard So no and and your mom dad whether they knew dad was a roofing salesman. My mom was a nurse but you know we had five kids. Most of the time she was home so we were middle class. You know family. Obviously you've heard a flint because you worked into lido. Yes but i. I really didn't know much about flint until i went to a party. This how it all started with. Caroline wallace remember carolyn wallace choose reporter at twelve. She eventually became. Don rickles press secretary i believe anyway she was a reporter at twelve and said look. We've got a weekend anchor job up in flint. You might want to apply for it. My current job. I had quit. It was at the. Abc affiliate in toledo w. d. h. o. Because the checks bounced toledo trust to cash our check and it bay said nope. That's the kind of girl you know. That's good and so. I had no job and said we've job opening fled for a weekend acre. When did you come up and apply. And i applied with this john ray roure. Who is the news director. He hired me. And i was there for twenty seven years. Your first job at channel twelve was as as anchor. Yeah they brought me in as weekend anchor. And i really was on weekends my whole life. I worked by always worked weekends. It went from interning or working there. Didn't you did reporting some point. Yes in toledo. Yes every time or or of every kind in. I couldn't be really trying to follow in your uncle's footsteps. No because he was into sports. And i love sports. I don't know if i could do sorts. I much preferred news because there was so much more meet. Their sort of it was so many better stories and news for me. Sports tended to be a little bit of highlights and scores and highlights anyway. So you're telling the story. I was gonna ask you the question. When did you move to flint. You've got to stay for the big star by nineteen seventy eight and toledo correct the blizzard of seventy eight. I was actually going to bowling green state university. Because i i had taken on the broadcasting courses you could take university of toledo and i was living in a house working at the public television station and the blizzard of seventy eight hit. There were no cars there. Were no nothing. So i walked all the way over to the public television station in the snow and it was no more than a mile was a giant while and there were closed. And i'm like goes. It's a blizzard if ever they need you It's today to get the information out. But i had to walk all the way back. There was no tv station that he had to walk in waist. Deep snow to get there right walking in the middle of the street which even that was full of snow. And i mean no cars. Obviously at the time that you came to flint. Did you do any reporting or what. What was the story there. yeah. I did reporting. It covered the opening of auto world at the hyatt was booming ben in windmill place. They were cool. Neat neat places. Flint was kind of on the on the way up at that point right when i got here one by one. They all closed. Okay so you card outerwear. What else did you cover. That was big. As mel sarah would say covered many of the mayor's your favorite mayor. I think as a reporter mayor was done williamson. You know why people laugh. Even my wife left because two things. I like devout unlike any other may recover number one. You could call him and he would do an interview like hey. Can you come over and do an interview on this shirt. What time. I'll be there to if something was on fire or broken or whatever he said his guy right then to fix it. You know if there was a some kind of garbage problem that neighborhood residents were complaining about class. He was the funniest one of the funniest people ever met. He was always joking. I laughed so hard with him. I love that side of him And he wasn't so polished you know he was so much different than than say that collier who is the mayor. Diametrically opposed as far as matt. Was that tom williamson. Were the hard hat with the flanks. The stickers yes and you know lease car hair and all the stories patsy lou the dealership and there was just so much there for a reporter. It was. He was just gold. He was like trump in a way you know. He was the donald before donald came along. I think so you missed was he only lived about a block and a half at one point from donald trump at that close He was that close. I ve backed. I went there to visit a one time. And he says you wanna meet donald trump. I said yeah. Sure is longtime and he takes me over to this old mansion. That's out on. You know the atlantic on on the you know like billionaires row john lennon add data a mansion house and he was with donald trump and newell. Wow donald trump must have went to school with don wins someplace. The zero identical cut out of the same cloth. Absolutely what do you think is. The greatest accomplishment was williamson's. Yeah what do you think. I think his greatest accomplishment was he made the city as clean as it had been ever probably street sweepers and yeah he got rid of all the garbage trash and you know i read now. People are mad consumers dumping all he said. Okay we'll we'll saw that problem to start in carlos things dumpsters right neurone in and he do that and and what you missed the story and missed was he owned the junk yard own wolf's junk yard a i'm thinking how do you run for office by dumpsters for neighborhoods. How does that work one day. He says call on a show. You this okay over here and meet this old guy. That's over there. Apparently he works winsome anything about and and he's telling people volunteers. If you want to jump reading your neighbor doesn't bring it over here. We won't charge anything metals and he's selling. I'm thinking genius. The public is happy with this. You know something. I like sheldon neeley. Don't get me wrong. I mean sheldon. I go way back. I mean we worked together channel. Twenty five i give him a good marks. For being honest. I mean unlike his predecessor karen actor. She's accessible and he's fixing stuff so now you've had some characters that you worked with over the years not just the channel twelve. But you've some people have rocketed oughta channel twelve. Is our home base. We've had lots a magnificent reporters from flint right. You know in my boss. At the time. Jim baker who by the way lives few doors down for me. Now and is my buddy. I walk with him all the time. But jim aired. Here's who he hired a channel twelve gabe gutierrez. Who is now a reporter at an nbc. News maureen maher. Who is on. Cbs reports lindsay davis. Who is now the weekend anchor on. Abc news took for carole. Simpson and rece davis who is on. Espn in very successful on espn. And i know. I'm forgetting somebody diana lewis's dog world. Well her daughter glenda yes although glenda in a think alpina lansing flint detroit. I mean she did all the stops along the way she was goodness be successful. Just look out. You know an amazing anchor. A grand lewis cheap. She ranks right up there my books. Bc you know. I don't know if she would go in. That area either was busy. Obesity auto erie was. She was coast to coast with al jazeera tv. I mean they are not on the air anymore but she was another great one. The was hired by jim. Christie macdonald macdonald who went to channel seven. Now is it the pbs detroit whose whose husband sadly passed away was the radio she believes she is at w. t. v. s. Is that what. It's called the public television station in detroit. Who was the one that was on Wgn chicago will tanya. Is there now china francisco. Who was it twelve soc wirtz our weather guy at twelve and he's at wls. I'm sure that you like myself yet. Notes every once in a while from people like marine mounir from lebanon or wherever they ended up. You had some people that weren't a long time in your business. Who are some of your favorites to work with. Yeah well certainly. Jim blake or you know it was great. It was a great boss. I think that's why probably stayed there so long. You know if you're working for somebody that you respect you get along with treats you fairly you stick around you. Don't look for the exit. Like oh i gotta look at the next place. Now you worked with ed phelps. I did you just turned eighty at felt gosh and We send everybody sent him a birthday cards. He lives in south carolina. I believe i never met anybody that knew more about to be open than that guy. He missed buick over fun. Years worth they are going out to the buick open anywhere. It was just a cool thing you had some in other in other facets of the media during your run i i'm thinking of people like dave barbour love farber. I know but he you know he's a controversial guy. In retrospect god rest his soul but we were on the eighth floor of hurley medical center when his mother was dying and my wife was dying. Both of cancer. I was married to mary francis and So we were like commiserating one time talking about the most important things in life and there. We are in this waiting room. The eighth floor of curly. And i really got to know him and he was another one. I liked because he was so such a fascinating story. Dave barbour not everybody you know liked his style and what he did but i enjoyed as a storyteller. I liked him because what a story he had is what life he led. He got into trouble a lot. And i'm sure well. How did he treat. You are on the main. Did he go after you sometimes. Yeah quite often. He did his later years. You did early in his career. He did a lot of things me that helped me out i e vita me on his program often and i became a regular over there and But he would do what he always call be broke the fund meter two times or yeah and he was very collegial people at work. Just love the guy but he was full of antics and sometimes the antics would get out of out of bounds. Then he had this amazing connection to the people of flint was totally amazing How he could read those people and you know he work in a country station for years and was talk radio guy and broadcaster in when you come right down to a talking on the radio right talking to people interviewing people. He was very good at that. I thought so. You work with now cheryl. Here's another guy that was alleged minute song time just hard-working dogged reporter who you know even though you work at competing stations after a while you're going to the same news conferences. You're going to Bushes news conference. And you're there together. Let's say so. You get to know those guys in the. I've missed melt zero. I must admit because he was one of the kyle dissed most decent guys that that the media except job by of course and he was fair in you know he wasn't there doing commercials for me as john jump. Kirchner would frequently reminded me for people who might not be familiar with that race. Here was young art lorsch going against a incumbent prosecutor was very well liked robert weiss and really That was an upset win. Won't you admit any people that beat him at that point. I don't think i just happened to be in the right place right time. But he was well liked in certain circles and the public did got sixty percent of the vote but wasn't necessarily they like me. They didn't like him by the into that race. So i think that really mortar. There was controversy. There was a trip. Or something i don't know here's my question to you. After you beat him and then he became a judge. Right he did. I worked with a message. I'd say now. Do you guys like how were you together or were you like i hate him or were you like. I never hated him. particularly. I didn't i didn't like what he would. I didn't like things that you had done as prosecutor and now that he's a judge. I can't do anything about that anyway. Not running for that job. I always had a theory of you. Beat somebody in a racers. Somebody's doesn't support. It'd be nice to him. They probably help you next time. you know. and i didn't see any reason to be antagonistic to him. He respected me. I think in the air was a fun race though. Oh let's fundraise this one with you on tv. Getting your a bit by a dog on us showing boomed or whatever it was believe. That was a great story. Will you don't see that all the time it makes you a human being in a. I did get been on the east side by a dog or to right by my cousin's house i can go there and get treated by the what what i liked about that story. It was at the w and slushing hell is a prosecutor at the a and w flashing it. This was not shot this But it was a funny story for sure now. Did you have problems with kurtzer. Have traveled curse. Have problems with kernan. Yes not your interviews. I suppose i asked. You doubts my next question. Jim wasn't a magnificent reporter. Many ways he still is he. He prefers to be investigative in his attempts was he was good at finding public corruption in those are going to be good stories to cover. When did you think the show business news. I guess you know a lotta people prefer old school news in just wanna know what. The facts are not rare. Spend to it not for you to be getting in yourself mentioned in the story itself. Yeah those ambush interviews while. I'm sure as the victims so to speak they were awful but from a sheer television standpoint. Usually they're golden. It's it's great to watch somebody chasing after somebody to try to get somebody to say something. The last one i did was with rich. Bayard remember him. He was the Awkward snyder's right on the place when they're coming out of this meeting right at the beginning in flint in our from north bank center and wouldn't go talk to mean. I ran down the street after amid for wonderful television in everyone after You did that and then to this day. He's apologizes for not talking to me. I wouldn't run after him head. He's not just said something dude. You're the middle this meeting that we weren't allowed in what happened. That's all i really wanted to know. And he wouldn't say anything. Until i got him down at the corner front of north bank center and so what happened then after i chased him did say something so we just needed a soundbite. I don't care what you're saying. Tell me a little bit about the case but don't give it away and give me the flavor. Whatever the facts are that you're allowed to say we don't want to jeopardize anything but we gotta feed the beast every day. I'm sure you learned after you're on there and you saw what they used. You know they interview your fifteen minutes that us fifteen seconds or ten and each time that ten twelve second clip what what was similar about that every all right we'll start talking like that. I would like to tell you a couple of stories if we have a minute. There was contract stuff that they had to deal with. But for me. I knew i'd find something else We had it so good under disney when disney owned us you know we got free disney tickets and they just totally did not manage. They left us alone and we did. Whatever we want. The bosses. Tom bryson was the general manager. Jim blaker The news director. What was your thought about. I mean and spent twenty seven years here. That's a long time in your business. I mean today. People don't generally spend a whole career in one spot. What was your what was going through your head in terms where you've got dealt with your career. Well i didn't know i thought well. News is the only thing. I know i mean what am i gonna do so I was approached by nbc. Twenty five and they said wow you know what. We're building a new team. what do you think. and i'm like what can it hurt. It's job you know. I need a job. I needed to work. I had a wife and son and a house payment and all that stuff. So i worked on the morning show. Nbc twenty five hundred. I later anchoring at night and same thing. And they poured the money in sinclair. Did at the beginning you know. They took us out of that. Godawful building in clio loved cloud. That boy. that building was just so far out. Where is this place and then build us. In an old northwest tire store on pearson road renovation new from the ground route hired bill harris after me and then hired other people and we were legit for a little while there and it was like brand new stuff same market so i was happy that i was working but then it got to the point. Where how many times can you do that. Same story the cold weather in your summer. Time pants that you've got to run the right pants to and you're freezing your job blitz off Saying it's cold out here and people. Are you know you you do that after year after year. And just say i gotta do something else. So i i. I said i gotta go so i i left on my own accord at nbc. Twenty five and five six and six. They brought in dan kildee and had a big proclamation in little cake in. You know a a video thing that they did and it was very nice. Unlike you know my unceremonious exit but i still love the people at twelve. You know these are all your friends over there and twenty five. So i feel like i did that. And then now. I'm working as development director at the disability network. You went through this process where you just woke up one day and said all right. This is enough. This time outs. Well i met this guy named luke zely and luke sela is just was such an is an amazing guy at great boss and i. You know what i want to work for him. I consider myself now. An advocate for people with disabilities. So it's one of my passions that i got going on right now. Why is that this whole segment of the population. Which is so much bigger than i ever thought there are. A lot of people have disabilities. I i just wanted to help. Somebody i think in my my later career I always wanted to help people as a reporter but now i can literally help them one of the things. I do is literally put in ramps for people aluminum ramps for free. The other thing. I wanted to mention before we leave is also been elected to the grand blanc. Township board of trustees. I wanted to help out and at that local level. You know you. you're accessible. So that's what they're doing they're saying. Hey fix my street. it's broken pick up the trash or whatever the problem is but yeah so it's been interesting so far. What about it is what didn't expect. I would like to do a little bit more of helping people it's also of. There's there's been a lot of lawsuits where we're going behind closed doors. You know off the record where the public can't see and we're just talking about all right. What are we going to do about this lawsuit. This guy says this this guy says that yeah. I didn't realize that was much to it. I'd like to do more with the development side of you know people are coming to lake township and they want to build stores restaurants and things. That's that's what really excites me to see that kind of stuff being built. What is it you don't like about it. so far. You know my life is one big zoom meeting the grand blanc township. I have. I'm on the board of community foundation now so that's another long zoom meeting. There's a lot of this and You know after a while another leading. What about the the public. How do you think they relate to you now. As you know you're well known right you'd have our time going into restaurant. They the again people wanted to talk your ear off. How did he relate to you for somebody. That's supposed to fix potholes rather house where i think it helped during the campaign. You know my campaign slogan was i like fight and i had a whole eisenhower. Little will icon there. You know with my picture and you know i. It opened doors because they knew my name. We haven't gotten to the point where i'd had a whole lot of interaction but constituents because of a zoom you know they'll come to the zoom meeting. Had a few people who call being we've talked in. I've tried to solve their problem. I haven't had that much interaction quite frankly yet but in what you say is true. People tend to know me are they. Say oh are you. Larry elliott or are you bill harris for all these years i don't know anybody that tried to put partisanship out front of their job in the media most be asked me what party sarah then i tell you right. That's supposed to do in your case. I i have no idea what parsons relation take or if you would take any at all and i registered as a republican because i do espouse to the republican beliefs of lower taxes less government. I'm kind of. Let's say mitt. Romney signed a. I'm not on the donald trump side of party. I can tell you that. And i didn't vote for him. I loaded for hillary in the county ballot. You know i voted for them. Because they're all my friends you know while i'm a republican. I'm really more of an independent. I think when you get to my level i it doesn't matter your affiliation so my gemini our goals. Well eventually i want to retire. I love what you're doing. I think this is so such a cool thing you're doing. Are you know you can join me. Yeah maybe something like that. I want to just do less. I am still involved in a lot of stuff. I would like to continue as the trustee of grand blanc township beyond that. I never thought. I'd make this far quite frankly so looking back at flint. Snowbird just like you all right. So here's my question. How would you describe the city of flint over that time. Not just yesterday or today but just over the period of time. What were your general russians. If you walk away from the job well. I saw flint near the at the end of its highest. When i was coming in and it it went downhill with the gm job loss. But i was always an optimist. I think there's institutions and flint. That aren't going anywhere like early. In mclaren genesis and certainly the u of m flint is expanding brand. New murky science center addition. They just put a new hilton hotel in downtown flint. Thirty million dollar thing or something would saddest to me about. Flint is the neighborhoods. There's really been no mayor that's been able to answer the question or figure out how to rehabilitate flint's housing You know i'm a housing guy. I i love that houses. It's still yuppies in other cities like flint all went in and bought those old houses and fixed up. Now they're cool neighborhoods. Let really is. It's happened in flint a much much smaller scale. And somebody needs to figure out how to save flint's hoods make that be a their campaign you know remain issue because slowly those neighborhoods is. Ibm are dying. The housing stock is falling apart. It will always be vibrant. I think and there is a good vibe going on in downtown. But i think it needs to expand to include the neighborhoods so you have a son. That's about college great. He just texted me he's going to flint. Let's say comes to you. One day is my kids. Have all done and said dad. What do you think about me going into law. You know what i think. It'd be a great lawyer. Because he's such an arguer you know he's such a verbal. I think he'd be great. I would say do it. Would you say if he came. You said hey. I wanna be a television report. Hell no. It's been a thrill to have you as my guest. Well that concludes our episode another adventure. Joel feick great guest. Appreciate the fact that you've joined us that you like our programs if you like to follow us on Social media were available on facebook instagram and twitter. You can also find us on our website at radio. Free flint dot media that's www dot radio free flint dot media. Our podcast episodes are free. So join us. Their share with us a subscriber to our podcasts. Rados helps us to know what programs to present until then again much appreciation for your support. This is arthur. Bush radio free flint. Goodbye for now.
20VC: The Lyft Memo: Floodgate's Ann Miura Ko on Why Successful Seed Investing Is Not Investing In a Company But The Development of a Set of Secrets, Whether Capital Is a Defensible Moat Today &How Startups Should Approach Competition
"Welcome back this is two thousand and my favorite episode of any month with the manno. The show where we deep dive on investment into a breakout company with the partner the lead around today's guests on the show five years ago. If you can believe it. And i'm going to do this for a long time and so i'm thrilled to welcome back to the halsey and mirror. Co co founding partners floodgate one of the leading early stage foams the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of twitter twitch. Lift octa outreach. And many more as an not only did she lied around for lift but in the last twelve months loan. She's lebron's for two of the hottest companies in the valley. Paparazzi and pop shop live utah immense investing success and multiple forbes midas list and. He's also a lecturer in entrepreneurship. at stanford. a code of the mayfield fellows program at stanford and a member of the board of trustees for yale university before we dive into the show stay. Have you ever heard that. 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Thousand trustees is in ninety countries and trust twenty four seven customer service. Find out more. Stay at diligent dot com. That's quite enough for me. They say now. I'm thrilled to hand. David kay founding partner floodgate and mira que. You have now arrived at your destination and this is such a joy to do. Just checking. In as we said foley. Ba since all lost app said i wanted to do this for a long time but thank you so much joining me against a absolutely am excited though i do want to start. I love a good story. And so we're obviously focusing on nina lift and early zimrights journey. And so we're making bank. Paint the picture for me. How did you meet the team. Where's the meeting. Who is it. Wave provide that context. Yes so interestingly enough. Our best founders come through recommendations from our existing founders. The ramey met john and logan. Was that leah bosque. Who's the founder of task rabbit had been in the facebook incubator accelerator at the same time as john logan and in fact we have a picture where the johnny logan were helping leah put up her sign edge in this office and the result of that there were friends leah told me. Hey there's a couple of guys that you really ought to meet i had funded leah's my first check the year before in two thousand nine. Okay so you were introduced. Why did you have the first meeting. And was that like an unwelcome it. I find ultima meeting. He's that's a moment when you're like. Oh wow this is special was the meaning. Did you have that. Yes so johnny. Logan came into our office. Mike and i at the time we were subleasing space from another venture capital firm. It just if the picture. I'm just getting started in my venture capital career and i think i haven't even finished my phd. At the time. And i was largely pregnant. So i was due in. I think in april of that year and in our first meeting. I might pregnant. I have like this meeting on having and mike is. There was great about it was. We're also just starting off. What our career. I think probably. Jon morgan had gone up and down sandhill road and been rejected by a bunch of firms at that time and i also hungry to make investments. I don't have a name. I don't have a brand on. Which i'm sitting on and so i'm trying to hustle to find great folks to work with and so at this moment we cut together and i've been teaching all these classes with steve blank on customer development and here are two guys who walk into our office. There's a couple of things that were really drawn to one. Was they have this incredible story of why they're working on this so john Had joined logan on this journey on. Zimmerman and logan says he. Now i was in zimbabwe. I was really passionate about transportation and in zimbabwe all. These people can't afford to own a car so they share the ride. And i had been in zimbabwe back in two thousand six. And i remember seeing this. You'd see people piled into cars driving to different locations and so he was inspired by this but he'd been working transportation since the days in college. He was actually on the board of transportation authority in santa barbara where he had gone to college and then john at the same time. He joins journey because in college cornell. She had seen this class where this professor he talked about. How transportation changes the fabric of society in the united states. And you could go from canals to you know railways to highways actually how the physical infrastructure within a society changes because of the way transportation evolves. And we're at this moment where transportation is about to change because we have new software infrastructure with social networks. That might enable something new. And it's crazy to think at the time but like we haven't seen a transportation startup in fact we're looking at this business. We had to go and talk to the founder of zipcar to see what else is out there and literally. There was nothing really. No innovation had really happened since that period of zipcar in the transportation stays so really what we were interested in was this insight around a market. I totally agree advisable you mike for by insight development. I guess you said they're rocketed. Building on top of the new software layer social network. That idea that he changed. And it was actually mayfield. Your invitation when was it clear that change was made and needed to be made in the idea. I mean so. I think this is the secret to cede investing which is it wasn't clear for a number of years. We made our investment in two thousand ten and the actual sh- agent happen until two thousand twelve and so if you think a pivot in many people's minds just like a moment it's like the singular decision and it's like a lightning strikes. You know in reality. What happened with lift. Was that zimmerman. Through hundreds of iterations it starts off as a platform that sold to universities. Then it becomes a platform that all to universities and corporations at this realization of we don't have enough density of activity right if you stay within stanford campus fine within stanford campus. But you need to stitch together. How can you do that by stitching together. Facebook that was in palo alto in time and stanford kind of but you're never gonna get to the density that you need and then how do you make people more comfortable with paying for transportation. We looked at craigslist and people are trying out different longer routes. They're paying for being in a car with someone to go to lake. Tahoe or to la. So what is logan. do well the next week. he's rented a van and he's posted to craigslist that he's gonna drive down to la and here's the ceo of a company who's driving a van down to la with a bunch of people who've paid for spots in it just to see if that's going to be the secret to unlock more activity and so zimrights to lift was a process non moment. What did you learn about them in that process as you said there is a two year process with multiple iterations as you said that the driving to add a as it's been pretty unusual things. What did you learn about them as a team out process. There's an absolute commitment to customer fanatical desire for customer development. So a lot of people think customer development is like intellectual process and in fact it's hand-to-hand combat right. You're trying to uncover secrets that other people may not know and for them. It was real life experimentation right. The fact that john zimmer are when he was selling the platform to universities would go to a university campus dressed in a beaver suit to try to convince people to just engage with this plot for jason. Sounds for like it wasn't that they felt like someone else should do that work. They were always so committed to knowing what the customer desire was and how that translated into product for themselves and for each person who was in that organization really came alive all the time. I i love that. I didn't know about the bbc adamant. But i do have to ask as i always get worried day. I'm because in found have so much money so early that they need to the customer development process for a while they hired extensively beforehand just because of the proliferation of capital gina. Driving down to l. a. and vans and dressing. Bbc's we don't see that commitment as much anymore in my eyes. Do you share the same concern in that review in terms of the early money. That's now aloft. But i think that's what you look for now again. You're not always looking for the best idea because at the seed stage we often say we're not investing in a company because a startup isn't a company. It's a set of insights is development of a set of secrets that you have if you believe that whatever you're investing in the seed stage is stagnant than great. We should always just invest not best idea but in my mind i'm always investing in a set of people who are committed to process of uncovering secrets. And if you believe that then you wouldn't invest in the person who wasn't willing to own that can sorry this is convenient scheduling. What what questions do you ask to uncover the process. They go to those insights. What are the biggest questions that reveal the most in terms of that process. I mean like in the very first stages. I would love to have them even right up some of what they believe right so i love looking at the things that they will let go of the beliefs that even if the david came in unclear they wouldn't let go of. I like to look at what they believe in terms of their competition. Who is our competition. Why i like to understand what has happened. Historically that they believe it wasn't true in the past and is true now and so it's this abrogation of the idea as that. I think we concentrate so much. A building right and i think building processes and speed of development is really important but a second element that we also look for is the speed at which people develop their own insights. Sometimes if they've had angel investors you can see what's happened within their own investor write ups and everyone will set send updates on a monthly or every other month basis. And you can even see when you look at the past two or three how much. They're learning in that process in all fairness for that. If they have that are totally agree with you in terms of that process in terms of the relationship. Bill that you have with them the uncovering of that process. How do you think about the matt today. When fundraising timelines Compressed yeah it's funny. I was just talking to one of our investors about the fact that i really seek not to have by investing time. Line be compressed if a founder wants to find just to chat i say to my team. Mike says this as well like we have to force choice. If someone's just looking for checkbook. Were probably not your gal guy. Because we don't make that many seed investments we are not an index fund. We don't seek to make a hundred investments in a year. I only make somewhere between three and six investments every year. So we're in july. I've only made to investments at the seat stage. Why because spent actually a lot of time with these companies. And when i make an investment i commit to doing that i commit that my investment will make a difference in our fun so it's not an option but it's the only time in which i can make that investment and so i won't have a future chance to do it and i'm not gonna make an investment in a competitive company because i'm all in with you and so if i'm going to make that commitment i can't make a decision in twenty four hours and so i need the chance to get to know that that founder the last two investments that i've done i had a month long process through which we got to know each other and it was a commitment to let another and i recognize a. That's just not the usual. The seed stage in there are probably companies that i don't get to invest in as a result of that but i also think that it forces a choice i do wanna give onto live when think it's rations and then is more than the model today. What was it clear. The new lift mobile was very much working. Yeah so this is sometimes where people will say them. Product market fit is not a moment. But i think this is probably the counter to that one lift launched in two thousand twelve. I remember one of our associates literally running into my office and the sky. Tommy leap he says you would not believe how amazing this product is like. Lift is going to be huge. And it wasn't that he used the product one hundred times at this point he had literally used it for two days and he thought it was life changing and so i remember contacting the lift guides and saying i think we have something. I've never seen a reaction like this. It wasn't just. Tommy ended up being all of these young people who had asked about lift and they said this is just totally different and so in my mind it just became a very very clear moment. Where for long time. We've been selling this platform looking for density of activity and it's just kind of fallen and for law and so that was like two thousand twelve. I think in the summer we were just experimenting and like i say were experimenting. They john and logan emailed a bunch of zinn rive users in the san francisco area and they built lift in like three weeks because they felt like this was an experiment that they wanted to run at the time like uber. Was this black car service. It the whole tagline was via baller. And so having your friend come and pick you up you have this gigantic free pink mustache the front of the car and then you're supposed to sit up in the front seat was just like it was the opposite of via baller we also. There was no payment mechanism because there was sort of this regulatory gray area and so there a suggested donation and so you could technically right for free. Most people actually pay the suggested donation until it was like the series of light pretty hacky experiments that then became pretty clear that this was something that people really desired but for a year after that we were still running zim ride as a platform. How did you tell me what was the right time. Still not off. Because it's a tough thing. Steve revenue customers. You'll enterprises decision making around that. And i think like this is where you know. Hindsight is twenty twenty. It's like totally clear. They should have gone all in but again. You put yourself in the shoes of the founder when you're founder you're all in on your idea like the whole thing is that you've created this narrative not only for yourself but for your employees that this product this vision this mission is meaningful. And you've given up birthday celebrations with france nights out to make this vision come true and so your body into this and then comes along this three week experiment. That seems really successful. Like when you look at it now like obviously they should head in this direction. But that's not the way necessarily works. I think that's why it took a year. But i remember within a few months. We had to make a decision to divert basically ninety percent of the resources to lift and i took a walk with logan. All around like the ballpark area. I remember just sort of walking and walking. And he's saying like. I think i need to do this. Is this what we do. And i think we do. I think we have to go on this and then at this board meeting held remember who it was. But someone set might. Do you really think that this is going to work and my loading and jolly slammed the fifth summit table. Natalie this is for sure going to work and we need to head in this direction and to just like see that conviction when you have a few million dollars of revenues coming here and that's what investors invested into that was really powerful because you don't have a ton of data points and then you're saying let's go our loved that pounding the fist on the table. I do want to back couple of accidents. He said that you mentioned like the still. She's on the front. And i remember it was like high-fiving friends the way nice people. How did they build that culture. How do you analyze that. And would that look like in those days. Yeah it was really interesting. So even for their series which is before they made him and actually beyond in several other conversations with investors. This is a question is to get all the time. Are they too nice. Are they too nice. Are they too nice. Are they not competitive enough. That used to grate on me. Because i used to think liar. Those two things so countered to one another like. Can't you not have both. Can you be a nice person but fiercely competitive. And what i found with lift and john logan in particular you can be. You can be unethical person. You could be a nice person. And you can be fiercely fiercely competitive but the thing that i've learned in this journey is sometimes you need to define your own game when you're put on the field and someone has a game that they're really good at if view then training gauge in that battle on their bases. You're never gonna win. If you see that happening you change the rules. So if you see coca cola on the battlefield you become like the five hour energy drinks and you take different shelf space and you change the size of the bottle and in the same way with left. They didn't try to engage in any direct hand hand combat. It became like. Let's figure out who we are and what we want to do. And that was about other engaged. I love in terms of not being the bodily gatien into the top of kind of cool decisions of deciding which game they to play powers a lot on the cool business itself. I just wanna lost. How did you advise them on prioritization. Did they think through privatization of the days and what look like. They did make decisions to really focus. Yeah and some of it was just sort of. How do they expand on a market by market basis. Some of it was also. When will uber come in to what we're doing right. So part of the debate was when will come in his as i said when we first launched there were black. Cars be voller. Look like you're really rich. That's very different to high-fiving the guy who's picking you up and being friends and having a giant pink stash of the front of your car but what was interesting was the quick recognition from the market that this peer to peer driving service would be where everything was fought in one and so it did become very rapidly competitive. The question was like how big to san francisco need to get because that's where we got started and then how do you expand market by market so for a while it was just this focus on. Let's get the sing now. let's get l. a. Right and i think every few months we were launching arquette's it wasn't until he goes two thousand fourteen. This is what. I rolled off the board. The first time they went live with twenty four markets. Just as i was rolling off the board. And i remember being my twenty four markets. That's just insanity huge. It's like it's just a mere drop in the bucket right but like that. Focus on we're gonna create the best experience for riders drivers. Were going to do that. By standing market by market understanding the dynamics that was a real saint for them. I think that's the bigger question. Where does that focus. Come from while if you read the initial pitch and you go through the first set of sides on it and you say okay. Close your eyes now and say. Is this resume writers for left. It could be for either that original vision of. Why are they building this company. What makes it meaningful those. Were all things that stay true even as they were going public even if you ask the founders. Today i think that's where the focus comes from is they were just building business. They were building a vision for the future. Can you mention the incredible market expansion. That what did you learn about. Monkeys found shirt from seeing them execute. So alan thompson. Continuously opening up new baucus to conceive as well i think as a seed investor. I love the focus in one market and not just saying we're gonna go national. I see this tendency actually with a lot of founders. Today is like just on the seed or in the series. Hey we're going to go national. It's going to be huge. And it took a long time for these companies to get to that stage and so the idea of like how do we make this market. Work like really work and understand. What's the dynamic so we go to another one realized. This rocket has slightly different dynamics. And how do you make that. Market work like l. A. was an interesting one because remember. Initially it was like it's nothing like san francisco. Has everyone has a car. And so you get actually a lot of drivers. Maybe not as many riders and that's a different dynamic you the love starving artists there and so actually navigating and understanding the dynamics giving the team the right resources to be really successful. I think that was really interesting to me in the early days. What were the signals that the was working was number of drives. Dr oh was it. Not how frequent east it on the wiki basis. What do you think was to kind of cool measurement of success for walking ultimately we were always looking at eta right sell. When was driver going to be able to reach a writer and you would see that. The market really worked for the rider if you had driver. That was just a few minutes away in not metric. Uc's the dynamics of a marketplace that you have liquidity you have the right supply. Have the right demand. And so i think like that ability to see that was important. We on competition. I nine mentioned feeding being at mayfield before the show and he said about the competition from furnace impact on financing strategy and competition may financing challenging in some of the competition. And what happened really like kind of ramped up in that two thousand fourteen to two thousand sixteen period where luckily i was not on the board. But i know like for wild there. There're beaumont's where i think lift had just a few months of cash left and their points where the way in which the financing were happening. You're just have limited numbers of folks who could even write the check sizes that you needed and so the world was just getting smaller in smaller and people are being asked to pick sides. And so i think in that moment again if you're just competing and you're just working on that who's better than that's harder but again when you come back to. What's your different. Are you investing into the different piece. Then all of a sudden there's a new lease it's critical for us to is like a small investing for we always say duck force a choice. Don't force a comparison. I mean it's interesting. Because the motor people started the label. That kind of capital is the most in in this market like it is very much from needs say in law. Small delivery substance. People often say to think about that. it was council. The most in this case and you didn't get capital has become a really important component. But i just don't think it replaces the fact that if you don't have founders and leadership and it's willing to figure things out consistently you're wasting money like you can throw money at the problem only for so long before the market catches up to you and we've seen actually markets entire markets fail because people threw money at a problem. That really shouldn't have money thrown out it and so i believe that capitals very powerful weapon. But you actually have to really know. It's like weapons-grade plutonium right. Like you have to know which way to directed otherwise you can actually become the victim of that weapon. The challenge that i often have found has come to me and they say harry competitors raising hundred from manual large from crossing the fund. We didn't need it but we kind of have to raise the hundreds pounding. You advise families in that case it is very often i hear was we really need it. But if all competitors on a scale everything we're going to be left behind. And i think there is some traced to that statement. I think it's not so much. The scaling component sometimes the hiring component if you want to attract the best employees sometimes these days they care about that ten years ago. No one ever did a press release on how much they raise or what their most recent valuation is that is now a press release. it's a different mindset from employee standpoint. in so you do have to cater to that. But then the question becomes. How do you spend it. The truth is great. Companies don't necessarily get built on the back of ton of capital that is not necessarily the ingredient that causes success. You have a lot of different examples where that's just not true right. You have viva systems. Only seven million dollars ever and is now forty billion dollar company. You have call tricks that the first time they raise they already have fifty million dollars in revenues and so the capital z. Turns out even though employ seemed to be attracted to companies where the company's not as capitol efficient for the employees. It's better if company is wildly capital ship. Because you yourself don't get deleted. I think it's a fine balance because what you really want is a founder. Who's capable of developing an incredibly powerful narrative for why people should join the company why customers should trust this company without this blunt instrument of capital. And so i do worry about how do you spend it. Why do you spend it and you believe that you have product market fit just because you have this incredible round of financing. I've a couple of companies that have raised from great firms recently and one of matt colour came in to one of the companies. And i love this story. He said you guys feel like widely successful. Because you have this really hotly contested around the night you got this great check but in reality lay. You're like charlie of the chocolate factory and you just got that golden ticket. We still have the whole book to get through. And i feel like that's so true of your debt that drama financing. You hit some incredible milestone. all you've gone is the golden ticket and you still have the whole book together. You mentioned the talent trash element that i do. Believe something which people get angry at me for a walk. The best founders do need. Vc's to help them get town could be. Hey can you meet this. The final layer of interviews but in terms of filling out candidate pipelines money. That's not my job is know your job and it's also the best need. Do you agree with me. That yeah you know. At the end of the day. I think most of the time where venture capitalist who has views on a lot of different companies have seen journeys or tens if not hundreds of companies what we can offer may sound some element of credibility. We can offer a network that really like the thing that can be. Powerful is just another device from the outside in around. Is this true in my line of work. Because i'm pre- product market fit investing. I spent all of my time on signs of product market fit and writes the journey to get there. Are we two steps closer to steps further apart. Water the things. We measure in order to be able to get there. Are we close. Are we not close there yet and being really hard saying this is a net and in fact we should throw away. This entire product for the business model doesn't work anymore or the ecosystem doesn't buy it. There's something fundamentally wrong when you're super close to company you're building everything in it. Sometimes it's hard to see that. And so that's what i think. My job is first and foremost. It's not just the tactical elements totally. It's a reflexive. Mira via d that final before the quickfire obviously to the development of and logan go for two people with a crazy idea to public mafia founders. Now that developed and evolved as leaders in your mind. It's really amazing to see all right. So when i invested. I think they're five of them in a one room office in palo alto and now we're an organization. Few thousand people the changes in like they've had probably i dunno twenty different jobs each of them from the time they founded to what they are today the change and the learning curve that they have had to be on and they still are on. It's fantastic to see. It's like once in a lifetime to see like founders. Have that that degree of change. I think was there an inflation moment in that checked it when they have a public was when they raised a big ground when they entered nemo. When wow so there several inflection points right. There's like the moment that they have to give it. I think that was probably a big inflection. Point the crazy hand to hand combat in competition for like four five years that was relentless and each of those battles are so many different techs vows that they had to engage in so many different choices. I would say there's probably two or three inflection points just in there and then managing public company. I think is totally different animals. Well the fun part is actually continuing to see them. Evolve i think. Also my journey's a season pastor in having kind of a grownup in my career with them is that you also get to see by the life changes. When i met them. They weren't married and now both of them have kids. Logan just on paternity leave and said to see that set of inflection points to alongside the inflection point professionally is enjoy. I do want to move into my favorite. They which is a quick on avenue but this one is focused on lifts. This was a little bit different. Are you ready yet okay. So what was your pre mortem. When he wrote the first jack how could have gone wrong. Yeah so we believe that transportation was a really interesting stays but we had no idea how was evolving. The thing that we were betting on was the facebook connect to be honest. We thought that that was going to create more trust in this network even within zoom ride. Now that was the thing that we thought was the role. Change element turns out. That was it. Wasn't the key driver what we were betting on was this really interesting insight airbnb transportat- shed built upon facebook connect. It turns out like what was met by. Airbnb of transportation was totally fundamentally different places where it could have gone wrong like people totally. Don't trust each other. It turns out like they don't wanna get into anyone else's car tell me the many strategic decisions made when you think. What did you think was most impactful. I think the most impactful was the decision to be different so it was deciding who we are and knowing what we're willing to do to win and i think it was an singled strategic decision but it was sort of guiding north star. Was the most impactful. We mentioned them being kind of too. Nice what did they do. Join leg is to create. The culture did within the company i think in many ways a founders are the culture. It's the clarity of vision. It's why they do what they do. Not having that change so if you walk into the board room for left on the board is actually the framed. They have the beaver costume framed. But they also have the original set of vision in values for zim ride with striking. Is that more stars change. They want to change the way people relate to transportation and that's always going to be true. Who is one unsung hair. Vine things in the in the live. Neil i love this question because it has to be kristen star check who joined lift in november of two thousand twelve but i knew you her from her time as an associate at garson in two thousand eight where she was involved in our fund formation side then she represented through silicon legal every time invested into a company which is how logan and john batter big and hired her for represent them because they liked her so much and ultimately in november of two thousand twelve. It was totally obvious that she was this. Great attorney very yang. It wasn't totally obvious that everything was going to be as wildly successful as it was but they decided they needed her because there was a strong legal component to this business and i remember one critical board meeting is. We're talking about like all of the competition. What's happening in this market and some of the questions around ethics and how you behave in business. There was this moment where she sad you know. Why is it important for all us to always do the right thing and she paused and she said because it's good business practice and i remember at one point. I came back turn said. Did you ever think that people would realize it. You're right and she said like no. I didn't think that it would ever be the case. That i was proven right that it's really good business practice to do what's right but i think i'm really excited that she's always been part of this business. She's been there like almost ten years but she's been a force behind the company. That is amazing. I did not not story. But wow what an impactful higher and what a johnny. She's been on t. I do wanna finish on from me. My favorite is when you think back many memories. what's your most memorable moment from lacking would let you know. This is just one of the early days. Can i give to actually was buffet. So the earliest memories. Actually there is a moment in time where alan were growing up in this industry together just to give you a picture of where we were. None of us had a boardroom. So i did have boardroom. John logan were working in this one room office. I think body kamar canine ventures. Also like. we're all just scrappy at the moment. So we need a where we could me. As a board to over the business logan's on stanford campus. At the time he's like let's just sneak into the stanford law school durance grow. Friends right was like going to law school there and maybe we can get one of the common rooms in the student for lago and that was how we held. Our board meeting was. We had to kind of kulak space in university to be able to even do that. 'cause none of us had even like real office. Space has liked to see that the journey from air to where we are today. It's like mind blowing the second one is. I think this must've been. I dunno two thousand sixteen or so. We were having dinner at my house. And i'd advise john logan and their lives over to our house for dinner and mike came up to our house and he was coming into left and he told the lift driver. You believe who's eating dinner here this house. It's the founders of life. And she was like no. I don't believe at all like no way and mike. You should come in for a second. And i remember opening my door. And mike's there and you walks in and he wants with his lift driver and like her jaw hit the floor. She was so taken with this notion. Like the founders are sitting in front of her. See that moment over dinner at my house. It was the thing whereas out. This is pretty incredible. That really is special. I would love to have seen that. Actually listen on. As i said i wanted to see this phone. Assange longtime find much putting up with mark prime collections Harry you're awesome. Thank you so much for the time. I mean simply put it's episodes like that which made me realize just how much i love what. I d warden. Incredible discussion say relationships. Like mine with an as. I said i had her on the show. Five years ago. We'd been friends. Everson's gordon incredible passenger member of our ecosystems hughes. Thanks to an for stay if you'd like to see more from us of course you count on the twenty minute. Bbc dot com however before we leave each day. Have you ever heard that. You need to sleep at sixty eight degrees fahrenheit. Well it's a myth. Science suggests that there's no one universal sleep temperature too deep high quality sleep. However the average manager's actually absorbs your body heat giving you those nasty night sweats and causing restlessness pulled pro by eight. Sleep is the most advanced solution on the market for. Thermo regulation has dynamic cooling and heating with biometric tracking the temperature of the port. Pro will just each side of the bed based on your sleep. stages biometrics. i'm bedroom temperature. 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