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The Buccaneer

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The Buccaneer

"The. Details, on this podcast are dark, sometimes scary and full of adult themes as a warning, the original story of the buccaneer features violent murder, suicide, violence, and other disturbing acts. Please exercise caution for children under thirteen. Despite, the creaking ship and rough waters send Yoda Christabel select peacefully in her cabin, the knowledge that her loyal servants were just a deck away had brought her a great sense of comfort on her long voyage. But as she slept, she thought about him her husband. He was the reason for her journey from the old world to the new one and each night he came back to her still beautiful, still alive, she could feel the warmth of his embrace. Suddenly a scream pierced cristobal's dreams, and visions of her beloved were gone in an instant someone was pounding violently at cabin door. She barely had time to leave her bed before. It's swung open. Even, in the dim moonlight, she could tell it was her valet Rodrigo. The large man was standing, oddly still silhouetted in the moonlight, but then she saw his nightshirt was stained in blood. He gasped. Should Norah Christabel run? Rodrigo collapsed to the ground, revealing knife in his back a dark figure, then emerged from behind him and plucked the blade from his body. The man turned toward Christabel, his grin as big as the crescent moon and said. Now come with me missing Wooden Watch Yay get hurt. I'm Vanessa Richardson. You're listening to tales a podcast original every Wednesday we dive into the dark origins of another fairy tale, you can find all episodes of tales, and all other podcast originals for free on spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts to Stream Tales Freon spotify just open the APP and type tales in the search bar. Today will be telling the story of the Buccaneer, an American folk tale of piracy revenge, and they're sometimes ghostly consequences. We'll discuss the origins of this tale right after this. The story of the buccaneer was first published in eighteen, ninety, six by author and folklorist. Charles M. Skinner in an effort to ensure that American folktales and legends were documented for posterity, skinner adventured across the country to collect dozens of stories. He then published them in nine volume series, the myths and legends of our own land among his many destinations skinner journey to block island off the southern coast of Rhode, island an area known for its lawless past the island was visited by many pirates in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, and was even the temporary home of several notorious swashbuckler 's such as Captain Bellamy and Thomas. Thomas Paine with the story of the Buccaneer isn't just rooted in block island, his of piracy it's also inspired by its many shipwrecks, because of its rocky shores block island was the site of several historic wrecks which served as the basis for a tale in skinner's collection, originally known as block island and the Palatine. The story centers on a doomed vessel that sinks off the island's shores, only to reemerge from the depths to haunt crazed captain block island in the Palatine or the version will tell today. The buccaneer is a folk tale about cruelty and greed, and how the ghosts of our misdeeds can drive us mad. Lee was eating breakfast when the head nun made the announcement, all boys fifteen and older were to assemble in the director's office immediately. It was welcome news for Li every time. He took a spoonful of his rancid porridge. He wanted to gag, but he knew if he didn't finish sister. Catherine would be more than happy to Lash Hem. But what else could you expect at an orphanage? Lee was used to it. He'd been abandoned as a baby on block island, and like so many unwanted children he fell into the open arms of the local orphanage there with no surname of his own, they'd simply named him Lee, but the orphanage was a hard place, and Lee quickly learned to adapt. The older he grew, the more rebellious he became. He wasn't afraid to talk back to the nuns or throw a punch at the other children. In short, he was a bad seed, and the orphanage was eager to get rid of him, but Lee was just as eager to leave. His heart pounded as he walked down the hall. Going to the director's office only meant one thing. Someone was looking to adopt in the office. He lined up shoulder to shoulder with the other boys. His Age Lee was ahead taller than the rest lean with sinewy muscle. He looked more like a man than a boy. For that reason. He knew it was unlikely. He be chosen. Parents wanted to adopt children, not men, but when the potential adopter walked in Lee was taken by surprise. He was an man, a sailor with a long wispy beard, and a leather jacket, aged by the sea air, and attached to his knee, was a wooden peg where his right leg should have been. His name was Cornelius Perlman. Are Come to find a lad to help me with my business an apprentice if you will. The room fell silent. This man wasn't looking to adopt a son. He was looking for Free Labor. Suddenly Lee was hopeful he had a chance. Cornelius strolled up and down the row of boys, his peg leg thumping on the wooden floor with every step. As he passed. He examined them like livestock. He needed a strong lad, not these scrawny malnourished boys, Cornelius scoffed then he approached Lee. He stopped looking the teenager up and down Mutt be your name. Lad. Cornelius asked him gruffly. Lease voice was quiet but steady. He looked the sailor in the I. League Mr Just Lee. Whatever you need, I can do it. Cornelius chuckled at his curt reply. Like you. You'll work just fine. The sailor adopted Lee that same day, but if he thought he was finally free, Lee was sorely mistaken. Cornelius took him back to his small cabin by the sea and immediately put him to work. Though Cornelius is sailing. Days were long behind him. He took up a new trade as a wrecker records were scavengers who monitored the beaches hoping to loot from Zip unfortunate enough to crash nearby. At his cabin on block island Cornelius would wait day in day out. Until he heard the terrible sound of a ship smashing into the rocks, then he would send lead to find the wrecked vessel and plunder whatever goods could be sold at port. Lee would squeeze through the crushed nooks and crannies of the ship and sure the crew was either all dead or unconscious, and then grab everything he could carry. He took gold, spices and furs anything of value he could stuff into canvas sacks and haul back to shore. But the work didn't end there back cornelius his cabin. Lee was tasked with a list of grueling chores. He scrubbed the Barnacle, covered floors and washed clothes in water so hot. It made his skin raw. If Lee refused, Cornelius was quick to strike him and Belo. Rap Scalia I was bored in the ICU Hell of the Sea of Tame. You was I tamed by ship and crew will then standing over the beaten lad, Cornelius would always threaten to bring out his old cat nine tails to truly teach him a lesson. But just when Lee made plans to run away, he saw a different side of Cornelius. The old sailor began to mentor him. He taught me how to live by and on the see how to cook how to sail and cartography, but above all Lee cherish the times when Cornelius would play his accordion and sing him shanties. Lee was fascinated by his stories of sea, monsters and mermaids. How ever as the years went by? Cornelius still kept Lee at a distance even as Lee reached adulthood Cornelius refused to give him his surname. Just me, lackey, boy, you're just a bastard had always be. He would mock, and though he didn't show it Lee. Forgot those words. As, he approached his twenties, Lee became determined to strike out on his own, hoping to save up enough to buy his own ship, he began sneaking portions of the loot for himself, and stashing away his own growing fortune, so when a Dutch merchant ship crashed near the cabin Lee was already on the beach, eager to add to his already growing horde. As he crawled through the splintered, Hull Lee couldn't believe his eyes, gold and silver coins glittered across the planks in great heaps. This one hall would be enough to secure his freedom, but then he heard something weak and rasping breathing in the corner of the wreckage, one of the Dutch merchants was still alive, pinned under debris Lee had a witness. The men pleaded to him. He's help me kind boy. I'll give you anything you walked. Leave looked from the merchant to the good scattered around them. His mouth began to curl into a grin. Do I need your permission? Lee then seized the man's throat, squeezing with all his might. The merchant flailed and gagged but Lee didn't let go until the life left his body. Then, all was still how strange Lee thought. While looking at the merchants purplish face. It was his first murder yet. He felt almost nothing. But as he gathered up, the coins and goods lead, did feel something satisfaction. When Lee returned to the cabin, Cornelius was ecstatic. The hall he pulled from the merchant ship was the largest they'd had all year, but as they divided the loot. Lee demanded a larger cut of the profits. The old man scoffed hardships build character lad under my tutelage. You'll become a fine one. Indeed, Lee could feel the rage building in his chest. How am I supposed to secure my own ship in poverty? Cornelius simply laughed in the younger man's face. That seems like a problem. You'll after figure out yourself now, doesn't it? Lease blood boiled, and his fists clenched, but soon a sense of clarity came over him. He smiled at Cornelius. The Lad knew what needed to be done. Later that night lead dragged the dead body of Cornelius. Perlman, through the sand, he then took a dinghy out to sea in order to give him a proper burial. The old man's eyes bulged out of their sockets, and his neck was swollen and bruised on his dead. Paleface was an. Expression of shock shock that he'd met his end at the hands of the very boy he'd taken into his home. Lee Tied Cornelius Body to a rock and tossed the old man overboard. He stared into his vacant is as the corpse Lee sank into the dark abyss. Then just like that Cornelius Perlman was gone and with all of the old man's riches for himself. It was time for Lee to buy that ship. Coming up Lee captain's own crew and begins a career destined for infamy. High listeners. If you're fascinated by the mysterious and manipulative side of true crime, you'll love. The stories told in my other podcast original series cults, every Tuesday join me and my co host Greg, as we step inside the minds of those who lead and followed the most controversial radical and sometimes deadly organizations in history will go beyond the headlines and discover the foundation behind notorious colts like Jim. Jones and Peoples Temple the Rajini. Rajini, SH- movement, Heaven's Gate and more, each episode of cults is full of illuminating details of their improbable origins and sinister intentions, but not all culture from decades past be sure to catch the special four part series on Nexium a modern day. Pyramid Scheme turned sex trafficking called Doomsday predictions religious beliefs extraterrestrial orders find out what really happens inside a cult subscribe to colts, three on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Now back to the story. After Cornelius Perlman adopted him Li lived, and worked under the old sailor, helping him plunder ships that crashed upon block island's shores, but years of abuse and labor heartedly and soon he decided to kill Cornelius. Shortly after Cornelius Perlman disappeared, Li took everything he could from the old man's cabin, and sold it off at the harbor, and soon with all the pilfered goods he'd accumulated from wrecking Lee finally had enough money to achieve his dream of captaining his own vote. He bought a ship named plutonium, and quickly assembled accrue from the local riffraff on block island. Blee even managed to convince inexperienced longshoremen named Mark Buford to join as his first mate. At first Buford had been hesitant to work under a first time. Captain but Lee had made him a promise teach him. The ways of the sea and Buford's wealth would grow tenfold leave then handed him a year salary to seal the deal Captain Lee began his career, transporting goods from the new world to the old and back again it was honest work, but tedious, and the prophets were modest, but Lee craved money and power so not long. He sailed plutonium under a friendly banner. Unfurled the Jolly Roger. Lee sailed the Atlantic plundering any ship, unfortunate enough to cross his path, and his crew of rogues was all too happy to resort to violence, if it led to a larger profit, even if that meant murder for that reason, Leeann is crew quickly became notorious across the seven seas, and several nations offered bounties for their capture. One day at court when Buford showed his captain a wanted poster with his likeness. Lee was delighted, but his first mate wasn't nearly as amused. Lee there's a price on our heads. If we want to avoid execution, we must take proper action. Lee Scoffed. They were pirates. Death warrants were to be expected, but Buford had a proposal. We may be pirates, but if we plunder under the flag of the right country, we won't have to worry about Valdez and death warrants. We could be buccaneers. Buford explained that many infamous pirates had signed on as buccaneers for whichever nation paid the most and the best part was that it was legal. Lease smiled at the thought more plundering and murder, but under the protection of a monarchy. It seemed too good to be true. He turned to his crew. If we are to find a royal sponsor, then let us show what kind of men we can be. After that day, the plutonium struck several British merchant ships in an effort to get the attention of one of England's enemies. The Spanish soon enough the tactic worked Spain, said to non void to meet the pirates, and offer their sponsorship, and a deal was struck Leeann is crew would attack and Pilfer Spain's enemy vessels, and split the booty with the monarchy in return Lee would have the Spanish government's protection against enemy, nations and immunity from imprisonment. And Lee made the most of their agreement though Lee had a fearsome reputation before flying the Spanish flag, his career as a buccaneer was even more violent, and wherever it sailed, the plutonium left carnage and destruction in her wake. But over time league grew wary with his contract despite the blood and the gold, his life of government sanctioned crime was beginning to become rather dull. During one hot and hazy summer as Leeann is, crew were docked at the Spanish of Barcelona Lee, was especially restless alcohol wenches violence. Nothing seemed to satisfy him anymore, but one night as he stumbled aimlessly from the tavern, full of rum and blind anger, he found himself on the docks, looking longingly at the water. He thought of his lot in life, and where it was all leading was he doomed to forever be a dog for the monarchy. Lee went to take a Swig of rum and cursed. It was empty, but before he could throw the bottle into the waves. He heard something. Crying a woman in distress in his boredom, he decided to investigate walking down the planks of the harbor. He found an elegantly dressed lady in red, definitely a woman of nobility. She stood overlooking the ocean or long, dark hair, cascading over her face, as she wept into her hands, Captain Lee stepped closer. What troubles you this night? Milady, he asked in a soothing tone, the woman wiped away her tears and turned toward the sailor captain Lee was taken aback. She was beautiful. Even in her sorrow. Her Glassy Green Eyes were striking. I'm sorry if I bothered you. Sir I was just notified of some terrible news. My beloved husband has. has passed an ocean away. She burst into tears again. Captain Lee offered a handkerchief to the woman. Please go on. He said gently hiding his curiosity. The woman introduced herself as Sinyura Christabel Lara's. She explained that her husband Raul had gone to the Americas to claim some farmland only to fall ill shortly after arriving. Seniora Christabel was desperate to charter a ship to recover her husband's body, but had little luck finding one. Captain Lee smiled wide a plot forming in his deranged mind. If he were to transport this grieving rich widow, he could seduce her marry her, and gain nobility and her wealth. It was all coming together. A deal was struck. Lee offered to sail back to the American colonies with Seniora Christabel for only a modest sum when she insisted on paying him more. Lee played the part of a generous gentleman. He declined her offer, telling her returning a smile to your beautiful face will be rewarded off. The seniora thanked him profusely and Lee was more than happy to have her in his debt. This you're would travel with her prized horse Luna. The beast was beautiful with a code as Alabaster as the full moon. Seniora Christabel insisted she would need a steed in the new world, but because the horse was a gift from her beloved role, she couldn't bear to leave him behind. The seniora. Brought several servants with her including her trusted Valet, Rodrigo. He was a tall and imposing man with dark. Is that seemed to pierce right through the captain's very soul? He knew Lee was up to something, but Lee couldn't have cared less. All was going according to plan. Within a week of Captain Lee and Seniora Cristobal's arrangement, the plutonium set sail from Spain to begin the long voyage. In the beginning Captain Lee was nothing but courteous to the Sonora. He made every effort to ensure her comfort on the journey, and as evening fell, he often stayed by her side, listening to her tales of love and loss. But soon enough his motives proved to be impure. That night Lee offered to show Christabel the stars from the main deck, but as they gazed at the heavens lease, calloused hands had more earthly ideas. The seniora shrieked slapping Lee across the face. How dare you captain Li how dare you lay your hands on a grieving widow? She bellowed her servants rushed to the scene, nearly took up arms then in there, but Buford stepped in just in time. Our apologies milady. The captain meant no harm. We promise no further rudeness for the rest of the voyage. Isn't that right captain? Lee! Rubbing the cheek where the Seniora had slapped tim leave the grudgingly agreed, but he had other plans in mind. One quiet night while Christabel and her servants were fast asleep Lee assembled this crew and armed them with knives and muskets if he couldn't seduce his way into this in euros wealth, he'd simply take it by force. Moving quietly across the ship, the pirates carefully slaughtered each and every servant from Seniora Cristobal's party, but when they made it to Cristobal's Valet, Rodrigo, he was already on his feet, blade drawn as they charged. The large man attempted to block the pirates every blow. Your treachery shall not go unpunished, but one man against ten proved too much for Rodrigo, and as they clashed swords, Lee managed to sink his dagger into the man servants. Back. Rodrigo cried out in anguish and stumbled toward cristobal's cabin. Seniora Christabel, send your data. Run. He yelled into the dark, hoping to alert his lady as Rodriguez collapsed in front of his shocked mistress, Lee stood over his body Lee looked at Christabel with a crazed grin. Now he intended to collect his final prize. Thou come with me. missy wooden watch getting hurt. The seniora jumped out of bed in panic. She was unarmed and surrounded by killers. She was sure the captain intended to keep her as ransom or worse. Krista Valle through anything she could at the pirate and ran past him as he shielded himself when Captain Lee turned back to the main deck, he saw the noblewoman perched atop the railing of the ship nothing between her and the open ocean. She snarled at Lea-. You may take what is mine, but you will never have me then. She plunged into the dark water below. Lee Ran to the side of the ship, but all he saw was the roiling see it was too late. He gripped the rail so hard. The would splintered in his hands. How dare she deny him the prize of her capture? Lease stared into the watery abyss, consumed by fury. Then he heard a noise. He turned. It was Christa Bells prized horse. The beast was thrashing in its pen, naming in a fury, as though he knew his mistress was gone forever. The pirate cackled so sorry, poor beast. Me To reunite you both and with that captain leaf freed Luna from his tether and forced the horse overboard. Luna thrashed wildly in the water, winning as he struggled to keep his head above the waves league laughed as the beautiful steed sank into the depths of the sea, but it would not be the last time Captain Lee saw the horse. Coming up captain, Lee Buries his treasure, and on earth skeletons from his past now back to the story. Captain Lee and the pirates of the plutonium had successfully slaughtered Senora Christabel Laura's and her servants. The mad captain even forced noblewoman's prized horse overboard for good measure, and now a plethora of gold jewels, and other treasurer was there for the taking the cruise, jubilant and drunken cheers sturge I may Buford from his slumber, and after finding the gory scene of slaughtered servants, he confronted his captain. Mike Godly. What have you done chilling? A noble woman will destroy our contract with the Spanish. Are You mad? Captain Lee laughed. Buford you puritan who cares with the fortune. We've taken from this woman. We will be royalty of the high seas. Buford shouted frustration. If the Spaniards found out, they murdered and robbed a member of the aristocracy, their entire crew would be executed on site, but Captain Lee simply smiled at his first mate. He had it all figured out. That day lease crew through the bodies of Seniora, Christabel servants overboard and changed course for block island. They arrived within a fortnight. The plutonium anchored off the islands, rocky shore and Leeann. His crew ventured from the ship to his former masters. Now derelict cabin. The would was rotten, and the roof now served as a roost for Gulls and Ravens, but it was undeniable. It was cornelius parliament's cabin. As? A Lad Lee dreamed of returning a successful captain, but now that he was there something about the place unsettled him. Lee Push. The feeling from his mind he had worked to do I, they would bury the treasure behind the cabin and destroy the plutonium then they would stay on block island until they could be sure. The Spaniards stopped looking for them. When the time was right, they would leave with their stolen goods. All they had to do was wait. That night, several men were already striking the ground digging by torchlight. Buford pleaded with his captain to reconsider we should. We can say the plutonium was wrecked, and Christabel and her servants died in the process. If the Spanish discover what we've done will be tortured to death. This drew paranoid murmurs from the crew, but league was unmoved. He stared stoically at his first mate as he rambled. Then leave finally spoke. There's no need to frighten yourself dear Buford. You won't have to worry about anything ever again then. The captain drew his pistol. Lee Shot Buford right through the heart. He was dead before he even hit the sand as blood pooled around Buford's body Lee turned to. To his horrified crew and bellowed now let this be a lesson to a lot of you. Listen to Captain Lee or join the rest. The pirates immediately started digging by sunset. The Siniora's goods and jewels were buried deep beneath the sand and Lee personally hold Buford onto the empty plutonium as a final touch, he tied his corpse to the wheel. The captain turned to the assembled crew and yelled. Captain always goes down with his ship, but a first maple substitute just as well then Lee lit the boat ablaze, and let the fiery ship drift out to see. The men watched clutching hats to their chest as their ship sank into the depths along with their former first mate, but Lee stood stoic crew ship family, they were all meaningless sentimentalities to the infamous captain Lee, a year seemed to pass quickly as day after day Lee and his lot reveled in their murderous victory with the portion of riches, they distributed amongst themselves. The crew led easy lives, and soon enough with the rest of Seniora Cristobal's Gold Gold they would live grand ones, but until the day came when they could unearth their treasure captain lease stayed at Cornelius Perlman's old cabin, to ensure none of his men tried to abscond with their loot, he ate well repeatedly visited the local brothel and drank until he forgot his past, but as time dragged on Lee's life of hedonism grew dull, he began to hate staying in that cursed cabin with its bitter memories of Cornelius yet he stayed. As soon as it began to fray his mind, he grew prone to drunkenness and violent outbursts. Those passing by could hear the captain bellowing in the night, screaming at a mirage of enemies, even his own crew became wary of approaching him lest they. His rage eventually word spread that the Spanish Empire considered Seniora Christabel and the entire crew of the plutonium to be lost at sea, Lee, and his crew could finally collect their buried riches. That night. They assembled to unearth the treasurer exactly one year to the day that they had committed their massacre faster faster, you dogs Lee barked as his crew shoveled deep into the sand behind the cabin. The sooner they dug up their riches, the better I got it I got it. One of the pirates proudly proclaimed as his shovel struck would captain. Li nearly ruled ingred, but as soon as the crew stopped digging, their attention was drawn to a sound coming from beyond the waves. Sales. But what ship would dare approach block islands, treacherous shores at night Lee, drew his pistol and stepped closer to the water while his crew watched on, he could hear sales, but saw nothing by the torchlight. Lease disturbed crew stood on the sand while he stepped toward the waves and peered into the darkness. Aurora flame and wind blew into his face, and then he could see it a ship. It sailed quickly in their direction, consumed by fire. It's would was warped and splintered. It's decks waterlogged sales shredded and flapping in the wind. The plutonium. Somehow his vessel had emerged from the briny deep. Lucifer's beard Lee exclaimed in terror as he stared into the fire lit, waters lease saw something moving no swimming. Then it emerged, it was a ghoulish, looking man with Pale, clammy skin, and dark show is his body was covered in Barnacles, and is soaked uniform dripped with Sea Water Lea gasped. It was the Dutch merchant his first kill another figure then emerged from the sea, it turned slowly facing Lee in all. It's horrific glory, an old man, his long beard was inhabited by crabs, his face blue eyes, bulging. Cornelius Perlman. Lease face went Pale under the torchlight. How could it be? More emerged British soldiers merchants, villagers, so many of their victims were now rising from the depths to confront them Lee only just noticed Buford standing on the deck of their burning ship, he glared down his traitorous captain, as flames licked his already charred corpse. And then he saw it Luna. The Pale horse. He'd forced overboard. The steed trotted out of the water, but remained as dry, and as flawless as when he was alive, but those eyes those eyes were black as the abyss, and seemed to stare deep into lease rotten soul soon, another figure emerged beside the horse. A woman Sinyura Christabel she to looked as alive as she'd been in life. She guided her horse toward him. Captain, Lee wanted to move to scream, but in stead he stood mesmerized by the living nightmare before him, even a senior Christabel and the horse grew closer. He was paralysed. She handed Luna's reigns to him and whispered. Luna is all yours now? Captain, Lee, it's what you deserve forever. As though in a trance lean mounted the horse, the ghostly equine immediately bolted through lease horrified. Horrified crew and galloped across the beach faster faster soon. Lee felt sick. He felt insane. The horse moved unnatural speeds, and he had no control. He feared his skin would peel off his skull from the speed that his ribs would rip through his back, and his spine would snap. Lee closed his eyes when he opened them. They were a top cliff high above the beach. Lee wanted to jump off the horse to safety, but he was frozen completely anchored to the spectral beast. He wondered in that moment. If this was how it felt for his victims, the building dread the terror, the moment before their mortality was ripped from their bodies. then. They took a step and the spirit horse plunged from the towering cliff. Back on the beach where his crew stood lease screams were but a whisper, the pirates watched in horror, as their captain fell like a stone from the sky and hit the ocean. Neither Lee nor the horse reemerged. The goals began their descent back to their watery grave, turning their backs on the shivering pirates. They slunk into the deep as the Pluto Nia slowly submerged into the sea. Senora Christabel stared at the pirates. The hardened cutthroats cowed into submission by the site of the spectral woman. She didn't say a word as she turned toward the ocean, and she sunk beneath the waves. She took the legend of Captain Lee with her. The crew was so terrified they stayed huddled on the beach until dawn. As soon as the sun rose over the water, they rushed to leave block island, desperate to escape its curse, some succeeded while others tried to evade their fate by suicide, but no one dared to dig up the treasure behind Cornelius Perlman's cabin, lest they face hellish punishment from beyond the grave. Like so many tales before it, the Buccaneer is a morality story about the consequences of cruelty. However it can also be interpreted as a critique of the era's privateer practices, privateers or buccaneers were allowed to plunder kill and commit manner of debauchery so long as they had an empire's flag on their mast, but even at its inception in the seventeenth century, the buccaneer system was criticized for allowing criminals to act with impunity, and the story of the buccaneer very well may have been passed among sailors at block island, and elsewhere to decry privateer -I given the nature of its moral paired with its historical context. The tail of the buccaneer teaches readers that crime. No matter how lucrative doesn't pay. Captain Lee dedicates his entire life to wrecking pirating and privateer, and though he becomes a rich man, he repeatedly violating himself restless, he's unhappy as a pirate, a buccaneer and drives himself mad in the aftermath of his most heinous crime, the massacre of Signora Christabel and her party. The weight of his sins destroys him. Reminding readers that the ghosts we create could very well come back to haunt us. Thanks, for listening, details will be back on Wednesday with a new episode. You can find more episodes of tales and all other podcasts originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music? But now spotify's making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like tails for free from your phone, desktop or smart speaker to stream tails on spotify just open the APP, tap browse and type tales in the search bar. Join me next week for another dark and surprising fairytale. Tales was created by Max Cobbler and his podcast studios original executive producers include Max and Ron Cutler sound design by Russell Nash with Production Assistance by Ron, Shapiro, Carly Madden and Isabella Way. This episode of Tales was written by Jacob Davison with writing assistance by Greg Castro. I'm Vanessa Richardson. High again it's Vanessa. 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The Scourge of the Sea

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

04:17 min | 5 months ago

The Scourge of the Sea

"Welcome to kiss myths mysteries. I've your host kid chrome all this week and next I'll be exposing the myth and mystery of pirates and all. Start off this podcast with the statement that real pirates saw very little in the way of gold. Silver and jewels a statement. You'll find in many books about pirates. That's the first myth as an example. I'll refer you to bury. Clifford discovered the pirate ship wider off the coast of Wealth Fleet Massachusetts not only Clifford. Bring up the ship's Bell GonNa find the vessel as a pirate ship. He brought up a chest of silver and gold coins. The ship's location has been the site of extensive archaeology and more than two hundred thousand individual. Pieces have since been retrieved one. Major find in the fall of nineteen eighty five was the ship's bell inscribed with the words the white a galley seventeen sixteen with that the wider became the first ever pirate ship with its identity. Having been established an authenticated beyond doubt this baixa question. How did Clifford No luck? The answer was he had a treasure map. Relying heavily on a seventeen seventeen map of the wreck site a modern-day true-to-life pirate treasure map. Something else you'll find in books on pirates is that they never had maps that was how Berry Clifford found. This particular ship followed that map. What was at the time of discovery of unprecedented proportions that the white had alluded discovery for over two hundred sixty years became even more surprising when the wreck was found under just fourteen feet of water and five feet of sand. Did the why to get all the gold and silver in late February. Seventeen seventeen the wider under the command of Captain Lawrence Prince. A former bucket near Henry Morgan was navigating the windward passage between Cuba and Hispaniola when it was attacked by pirates led by black. Sam Bellamy the time of the whitest capture was in possession of two vessels. The Twenty Six gun gallery. Sultana and that converted ten gun sloop. Marianne captain by Bellamy's friend investor calls grave Williamson after three day. Chase Prince surrendered his ship near the Bahamas with only a small exchange of Cannon Fire Bellamy decided to take the wider as his new flagship. Several of his crew remain with their ship and joined the Pirate Gang Query. Recruitment was most effective among the unemployed escape. Bondsman transported criminals and as the high seas made for an instant leveling of class distinctions. They were freed. African slaves displaced English seamen native Americans and a scattering of social outcasts from Europe and elsewhere me and his crew that sailed onto the Carolinas and headed north along the eastern coastline of the American colonies. Aiming for the central coast of Maine looting or capture and additional vessels on their and their gold on the way the wider was caught up in a storm which heavily damaged broke one of its mass patch. Ups and repairs were effected until they reached the waters near nantucket sound where greater repairs were effected possibly Block Island or Rhode Island at some point during his possession of the white up. Bellamy added another thirty plus cannon below decks possibly extra ballast to cannons recovered by underwater explorer. Barry Clifford in August. Two thousand nine weighed between eight hundred and fifteen hundred pounds. Tomorrow I'll review. How pirates went about repairing their ships. Remember they were pirates. Couldn't just sail into a quarter call also take a look at what happens to pirates when they got old and believe it or not how they retired while the scored of the see was produced. Here at night I will sound studio and brought to you by to our mysteries at books of adventure fiction and life on the edge it kit chrome dot com where you can always get a book for free and by internationally recognized. Psychic Bedia Sherrod Bauer the book life. Eternal love immortal that you can get Sharon. Bauer medium DOT com. This kid chrome. Thanks for listening.

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3134: Cradle of Love w/ Katharine Heller and Andrea Allan

Keith and the Girl Comedy Talk Show

1:48:22 hr | 1 year ago

3134: Cradle of Love w/ Katharine Heller and Andrea Allan

"<music> welcome to keith and the girl. I'm keith malley hamda and the how are you. I'm all right. What's going on on well right before the show of course there's a painter's right outside the literal window making bonk's and bangs and you know they have the whistle to each other for attention attention. You know to move the scaffolding over this way and that way and so i'm thinking well. I don't know that we can do a show this way and so and we have a guest with <hes> you know adds to the questioning and says okay but i'm not sure what to do. You know i'm ready to kill myself. I'm going crazy. You know what should we do and i go okay in that case. We can't do the show well that wasn't the answering goes no okay we have to do the show blah blah blah so then every so often every five seconds. There's absolutely no noise choice and hannah's like keith. Are you ready. It's only been five seconds and she goes keats. You're so sensitive to the set. You can't hear anything i understand. I have this super hearing. I can tell somebody who's literally rolling paint on a wall without looking very special but let's not act like the other bonk's warren happening so now i don't know when the take the other stuff a certain way and don't ask me for advice when i give it you go. No that wasn't an option. That's asking your partner <unk> out saying hey you wanna go for dinner and they keep going down a different alleys. You're trying. Take him to the restaurant. I sincerely didn't think that's what was happening. I definitely heard the banks. I wasn't trying to deny them and then when they stopped happening for five seconds instead of feeling hopeful and i was sharing in the hope. You look like you're going to die right or kill me so i would just like to keep one of us alive and i'm trying trying to be as patient as you. Are you what patient you're rolling your eyes. Go and kick. You're so sensitive. It's not a great deal. What do you think you're doing. Let's let's talk about how much i said. We can't do the show. I was having an answer. I had the answer not now period and you're like well. No it wasn't really a question so now what do we do. I think i asked you that question. No no no. I did not ask you. Should we do the show. What did you ask. You said i don't know what to do. I said let's wait a second second. Let's let's listen on mike because i don't think the mics are picking into undergoes yeah. I heard that one. Oh you're so frustrating strating. You're so pleasant because i had the answer. I swear to god if you make me call andrea. It won't be good okay. Come on this is going to tell us what happened in the room. Okay all right gallon our dear daughter. You know i mean i i don't i don't know how to tell you so that the bonk's outside or most likely not going to show up in the recording because if they do then you blow my head head off with a sean guy you know what i mean. I don't wanna be like it's gonna be okay. 'cause i can't say that. I don't know that they're not gonna show off. Come does just trying kind of be pragmatic. No one's gas lighting you into thinking that there's no noise but then what's the alternative we send the guest home. Unfortunately only guess introduced also ladies and gentlemen katherine sorry about that we've against happens to be the coolest customer in town podcasting for a living helps people with their podcasts that kind of thing. She'll get it okay first of all. I'd like to say thank you so much for comfortable environment so good. I get the boris vibes when you were a kid and you're like oh. No what did i do. Ah two of them have been fighting. He i mean this has been a wonderful for into what happens at a zoo watching an an insane person white man get gas lid and where this one's no but there were noises. This is true thank you. That's all i know no one's either by the way have simple so how simple catherine's able to able to calm me down but going. Yes there were noises. You're not insane and we're we're. We're thinking maybe the noises are coming down now. We can have a conversation about our noises too much but to act like there's been five seconds silence. What's the big deal. That's where the problem is. Because now i know i'm alone and i have to be the only one that gives a shit for my audience scratch behind the ear until you're a good boy. Yes there we go now. We can can have a conversation yes. There were box and noises but i agree with everyone else. Did i don't think we could've heard them on the air. That's fine but thank you for acknowledging the box and noises and whistles. All men are so not emotional. Thank you catherine. I love this the calmest people right now and he's like but there were noises is is thank you right now. We welcome. You're welcome keith. You're a good boy and the next one producer. Thank you i i i don't i don't i recorded yesterday. I said to you i recorded yesterday and there were bunks in noises and i didn't hear it on my recording so you didn't say that yeah early on is the thing i think they think they were very high emotion but i think that you're taking it as you were. The only one emotionally nationally connected to this and you were not being comforted right where you concentrated right just taken seriously. There's going to be bonk's noises on our perfect perfect audio. Whenever i'm not taking you seriously when have i not walked you through whatever you need to be walked through and when have i not one of i just dismissed. Do you one hundred percent just now at the box. Noises i- zaire worse complain about your partner i. I don't think that i did that but it could have come off like that because it was high tension attention but i think that you just describing this as me rolling my eyes at you and just dismissing. Everything is not what happened. I don't think i'm too was being dismissive of you. I really don't think i was being dismissive. View i want you to say i am still being dismissive of you. I yeah i don't yeah i i. I don't think you know gee that you put out when you're being angry and how much people are walking around it and then when you describe it as you're just being being dismissed. It's offensive but i have to be even calmer so that you won't have me calling it offensive a new thing that you get to be upset. What about there's a lot of emotional shit happening and it. It feels like you're the only one who's feeling it but you're not why i know you. I know you're filling it because you didn't know what to do with the show so i'm i'm like all right then. I'll pick okay. There wasn't a definitive definitive answer that i felt comfortable with. I was still walking myself through it so i was walking you through it but you seemed we both seemed rushed and we both seemed out of sorts because this is a very tough situation. You were not out there alone like you're expressing you are with everybody in this room and everybody in this room was on your side even though we weren't agreeing we're all still on your side and you say you didn't know what to do and wasn't it driving. Can you crazy. I think we were both being driven crazy. No i'd say we just don't do it at the time. It's too late now what i wanted. I wanted to give it a few minutes before we just dismissed the entire show and it was more than a few minutes of course okay but it seemed like it worked out. I wanted to take a few minutes if you didn't that's not what what was fully expressed you took the future asked for a few minutes and thank you but for you to come on and say like you were completely dismissed that i was gas leading yuga banks it was high tension and we might not have heard of everything that the other person said because we were disagreeing and we were not sure about what to do so not everybody is treating. You like shit because you feel like shit. Just two people catherine was great so happy to be here not at work again. That's the environment. We create not your job. That's how i'm on it here. You're sitting back. You know when you're watching someone else working and you're like <hes> make my sandwich. You're watching a train wreck down. Thank god that. I'm not in this literally wait. I am also never seen keith mad. I've seen you mad. I've never seen keith matt sting now. Watch him say that he's not he wasn't mad. He's never mad and he never gets mad. I was mad at me and when they're trying to talk in code so if one us has to come up with an answer that's the way it seemed to me then. I have to be the one you were talking in code. Yes i voted off the island also anyways 'cause i don't even the bunks johnson's and noises actually just morse code always just you talking to each other and then you like like wait was that you is that you just said to me. We may have to cancel the show and i'd be like that's cool yeah. I'm out of here. Well glad everybody feels good <hes>. How are you feeling now when there's an airplane outside these workers doing everything driving trains all right. Thank you andrea. You cleared up certainly. Did i mean i don't no no. I don't know what answer you want just done for you. You're the best the best to work with an four no complaints. You're a pleasant and you don't greatly psychologically in any way shape or form. I don't go to meetings to calmly deal with your fucking emotional. National issues bless you bank whistle. Let's start the show that was he there. You really amanda. Are you mad. If i'm gonna no i i was mad. I don't think it was like some level of mad. That needs to be worried about but i think i i just talked to through it. I think that you know it seemed like you felt like you. Were being dismissed. I wasn't trying to dismiss you. See look at that. I could be a couples counselor the good game. If you met me years ago you wouldn't have broken. I'm so glad we met later and happy you could be a couples counselor because we know will never be a couple. This is true. I have no worries this. What's fun like technically we are working. X.'s like because we used to date <hes> but we've to remind people that which is such good news for the people were dating now because i feel like if you heard that like i'm business partners partners and co host with my ex then be like oh well. What does your boyfriend just sit in the room with us and understand that there's no vibe yeah no more points and my girlfriend loves these conversations. Some of the audience doesn't my girlfriend loves. It plays lezo repeat that we should stay together. Just be here. This is the beginning of this show now. I'm very glad for the both of you censor staying very sound sleeper wakes he so wrong way. Do you really think you're a sound sleeper. Oh my god. I don't know who cares anymore. Uh-huh you you wake up if somebody like moves next. Maybe because you have a sleep number bed now no joke. I'm not even kidding. I know that that's our ad in is not our ed right now but it's two different sides of the bed while you're sleeping in the same bed and maybe that's not because i would wake up to p and he'd be like why are you waking me up just because you need to who the fuck is waking you up. I feel like you're making noise so that you don't have to be the only one awake and i'm like i'm trying to stay sleeping while i._p. So i don't know why i would need you awake but it is fascinating that you think that i think subconsciously. I do think she used to get up. Oh my god if she got up before me put up scaffolding endings painting making noise riding a train unless you have to do that. I know now that's different. That would be upset. It's so funny because that goes nothing with my personality personality that i would like oh. Are you awake all. I guess let's hang out have breakfast brunch. Come with me to talk about yeah. No you're just a really light sleeper. That was us on tour. Though we get up early we would get up early required. You catch me china hand in warm water. I want to hear from the audience if <hes> if you think your partner does this. They think you're insane. When do that does kyle do it well. We don't live together but i mean you sleep do yet. I'm thinking somebody lives together and they wake up early and then when they go to get their underwear morning close. Do they close the doors. <unk> overs don't have her clothes on my place etc. You know yeah no. It's not really a daily thing but i would nah i wouldn't do that. I would just say i need you to be awake right now but when you live together it's kind of nice when somebody sleeps sometimes because then can you just give them an hour in the morning god east wake. I always think it's subconscious. I hear if i'm if i'm sleeping with the lady in the next morning. She's making. Let's say coffee in the microwave and she slams the door as opposed to thinking. I'm sleeping in holding the door loading the you know that nobody asked me. I'm like how isn't this deliberate and it's just rude. I tiptoe and somebody's sleeping me. I will give you that. It's rude because you you got thoughtless first second and you slam the micro the microwave when you know like i can hear it in the other room so you you should be a little thoughtful all someone sleeping but now would you on purpose. I love hearing <hes> when i lived with someone like the noises they would make when i was asleep. It made me feel really comfortable. L. really knowing that someone is in the house. That's not an intruder. It's i know what i mean like. Someone's there. Oh you mean you like being a woman i. I'm with you keith that like if someone's being low if i'm sleeping oh my god sucks. Does this and we talked about. He doesn't do it anymore but <hes> so so if he wakes up or if i fall asleep he won't notice that i fell asleep but i thought he might because it just went silent for a while or like it's morning morning. And how do you know if i'm awake yet hill at normal volume so i was thinking i'm and i literally do that and he'll keep talking and i'm like like did you notice that no more thoughts. Hold on hold your thoughts. You don't know that i was asleep and he's annoyed thought you were warwick mcnew. You were awake. You were awake and you decided to speak at regular volume and he's like oh. Is this supposed to when you're awake and it's possible that i fell asleep or i'm still sleeping. You must check for. I wouldn't do that unless there was a fire. Remember dating this woman the next morning she would slam the microwave wave at six in the morning for coffee and i go nowhere thoughts. Thaw didn't work out thoughts. What's the best brand of coffee coffee. Tell us about your sleep number. I get paid the big bucks but i never did anything on purpose like no. I don't think people do i think uniting people do really yes. I do think because people don't have a voice and don't think that they'd rather be like oh. Oh you're awake then then sincerely go. I wish i can have some time with you in the morning. Because then that means you have to express it and if the person doesn't want to do it like it's like oh i can tell you that but then. I'll think that you're faking it. You're doing it just for me. I'll start feeling guilty but like i'm over that my ex we had a railroad apartment basically basically and so the kitchen is far from the bedroom and i'd hear the micro slam or a cabinet slam on like this has to be delivered or worse. I i think i kind of course. She said it wasn't the libre for her. I think it was it was thoughtless and it's one of those things where you seem really petty because you used to say like the cabinet doors are already ready drives them. What's the problem why. I don't think that's petty to dislike that but at some point you would have to decide decide. I'm the one who's going to close the cabinets but instead you decided to divorce. You know what i hated more than anything <hes> when i put on my makeup it's a personal like expression does feel person i xy sustained right there at the bathroom door and talk to me while i'm putting on makeup and i'm like i'm sorry i'm making weird. Faces like all the stuff and i had to tell them. Please don't do that add like i don't like people. Having people watch me dressed like in a very personal thing is with my tongue in my mouth. I don't want you see in all this a question for you. Why didn't you close the door well. I didn't want to be rude to the makeup. I have to meet a small bathroom. I had to keep the makeup right outside the door. There's a there's a situation we have no. It's like a nice little thing but that's the makeup because i signed state to the city for auditions and stuff so it's like transportable so makeup hiccup sits right outside the door of the bathroom reaching like this but it's you know because the cabinets weren't big enough. That's funny so new york for you yeah but i but i- standing standing right in my face and it's like i just wanna talk right now. You know what i mean. I do think somebody somebody entering the bathroom you have to you have to consider stopping to talk even if the doors close but i do leave the door open if i want you to talk to me but i'm not peeing or pooping but watching make i've i asked you ten times. Can you please not feel uncomfortable. Just kept forgetting <hes> so did he. I'm rethinking everything then let's could. I think everybody's so stupid i now maybe he was trying to tell me he's like. I'm fucking that girl and i was like shut up. I'm gonna make maybe he was trying to me. My partner is linked to what i said. They were intelligent now. They're so stupid that is interesting to forget the silly thing. I would have to yeah. There's a few things i'd have to say a couple of times i said this to you kindly like just it's me thing. It's weird. I just don't like this. <hes> that's all you know and then he's like. I just keep forgetting and it's like yeah now. It's now now. It's a problem you know what i mean. It's not even your birthday. That would understand you. Forget honestly and that's when you never forget right but if i keep reminding you every every week every day. It's my birthday tomorrow as i brought the cat. Is it so get the fuck out. <hes> aw oh well here. She is host of tell the bartender and struggled and i were just just on catherine show tell the bartender and kendall was talking about her ex talking about guests letting my dad and very fun very weird to sum up up everything in fact. I'm going to have some exciting news at the end. I'm going to give you a link. That andrew put together all the different times. I talked about the daddy meals. You'll have one solid sixteen day long file. Your friends can catch up with school because then you can like we're putting it in order <music> as the we're basically reading the emails to you as they happen with the guests that we talked to that we only got to the tip of the tea as it were with your stories but it's such the amazing story and thank you both so much for being on getting so much feedback and some donations from your listeners listeners and people writing like that was bananas nana's. Somebody told me the other day. I almost funny by the way they're saying insane. I'm like no no no. No no fucking is not the whole story is just really intense. A woman told me that actually i almost called you after listening because my job was like dropping on the floor when the listeners of struggle i said i had to stop putting on makeup several times because i could not stop listening and rewinding by the way your last guest. What was his name dylan something hang doing. I rewound his hamilton impersonation so good like twenty times and then i've recorded on my phone and send it to people and how's it going to listen to this. Michel blais followed by manuel. It was so such a good episode wakeham about the snow. Make young to twenty two. You kidding naso towns. Dow was an andrea allan fine. Let's keep talking about him on anyway back to me. You know it's funny and like we we came on new show. We talked about all that stuff and we talk really freely and openly about stuff like that right and we forget that that's not what people say like if i mean if you if somebody was pretending to be there act so that they can fuck with their dad the probably keep that to themselves tell someone on their death bed but we're just like oh. We've a file for you that sums up the whole thing. I don't think podcasting hyde casting has taught us how to speak very oddly open well. I think that we're naturally oddly open and in a very strange way. I think we're helping people by being honest about how messed up things are like you know i was talking about your this majorly successful incredible woman and yet you still talking to kate uh-huh everything's fluid you still got your heartbroken and your this incredibly successful amazing person that you had a really rough childhood. I think that people resist. It's it's <hes> <hes> people relate to it and i think that's why people like your show is like we laugh and all that stuff but if you're a really open about things you find that we're not alone and i think that if anything we're we're doing a favor yeah. Everyone's got fighting their dad short well. It's funny was funny when you realize the lines of you know i wanna say let's let's say which i almost said <hes> abuse and you know when somebody's raped molested a beaten cigarettes on the chest that was quite clear but when it's a weird stuff i'm realizing my dad did or when you're on the recent episode of my opening line and you're talking about your kid kid and you're in some making a kite competition and last minute. Your dad jumps into this competition makes a little tiny bite. That's more so impressive. The judges have to say this one adult wins when you go home by the okay and he is the grand champion of the kites this. He lay the kite out on the kitchen table. I was crying and he's like well. My mother was consoling me and i think they got in a fight actually actually and i remember just running upstairs and wanting not to the family and he does. He try to make up for it the next day. Let's go flight. Not yours all might have twin wings. There's so many stories about him. I just i'm so it's so funny. I didn't realize i saw the feedback in the forums about like yeah happens dad smoked and i know he's fucked up right. Here's the things so up until this moment we know like andrea. Dad's fucked up pizza. It's fucked up. My dad's fucked up. Keith has been winning that race like hands down and we three of fucked up shit to say about our dad andrea. Sometimes it's close no yeah no no no for sure but then we interviewed you for my opening line. We've had like you said huge a huge response. We interviewed for that and we're like wait. I don't know whose dad is more fucked up yours or keith and no one. We've pulled our audience whose dad ad would rather have yours or keith. I thought fifty fifty you know. I thought like mass sixty forty either way whatever ninety nine percent i don't want your dad and these are people i think who have had cigarettes put out on their chest and like no thank you your dad with their own dead or my dad yeah yeah and after like like being beaten by their father or like being tossed out for whatever the devil you know. They don't know what's up with my god. That's the thing all like knowing your dad. More part has increased the what the fuck aspect of it and like the devil aspect of it the it uncovered like how meaning in in like i wanna use the word maniacal. I don't know and then catherine comes in. How are you ally. I'd like to say i won but the real loser here. I know i didn't even tell you about time. He put a dead rat in my bed. I mean we dory story. He is a well. You know what i'll tell you what if if if i didn't eat all my food in the living room it was left on my bed. So were you trying to eat a rat. Is that what happened to do that allan oh i did have but you know what that passive progressive stuff bothers me so much that i did have a roommate put food on my bed like i left the plate in the i almost punched him in the faith my dad how did this and i said so my dad would leave food around the apartment when he was mad at my mother before he moved out because she left him and we got a major cockroach problem he wanted us has to get roaches in our bed and we did and that's why he cockroaches. It goes pretty deep technical. He would put hamilton the revolution. I dunno data put food on the bed and he wanted roaches. Yes he wanted us to get a roach infestation before we left weight so he would put not food on a plate just food on your bed everywhere like spaghetti. What are we talking trash. Was it ever good traffic. It just waking up with roaches in your bed is not a good memory so but it's just too is it's not know this terrorist. This isn't so like you learn a lesson about keeping keeping clean this is. I'm leaving now so you live in squalor old. Were you ten eleven at this point yeah the yeah i know. I know there's so many stories. He looked in your ten year. Old is in say a roach lands on their later. He didn't say that i think he did what happens the next now he he'd be living there and he's like this more than one day that he does this yeah. He did a lot of things okay but that's only pretended to kill himself and all these things in front of my sister keith goodbye bye dad. I'm sorry you probably lived it and forget. It and i forgot it for you. I don't know i'm working through the next day when you z. Was he physical physically now. He just emotionally abusive so the next day. Do you say this food on my bed again. Weirdo explain yourself like he would gaslight me. Just add are talking about well. I have emails and shit from the time he emailed me about like. I never did any of this. Philip gasoline has to be clever you. It sounds like a clever word. Now didn't do it. No that's that's the worst gas lighting. Is you knew he did do it of course gas lighting. Is you know it and the person's looking in your eye with full sincerity and conviction and going. What are you talking about crazy make so when i did my one woman show i told many of you could do a two woman. Show do a sequel when i did the the show. I actually did a fact check because i said to my siblings. Did i make this up. I put them script to my mother. My sister my sister my brother and we and they were like yeah. This did happen and also this happened like everyone has story. After story is that i forgot about you know. This is why feel bad for single kids. Sometimes you know just there's like a what do you call those solo. Ones this only you solos out there because is if i and my and my brothers and i got different different forms of this shit. My older brother got a very emasculating very weird situation situation. I got a very also emasculating to be honest is just female word for it but we got the male female. My younger brother just got all the tension in the house but anyway i thought it was going to say oh oh yeah but at least i can turn to one of them and say something or like in the memories like when i see keith in his siblings they they relive it but they relive it together and they know like okay. That's crazy. That was crazy. Who do you turn to as an only child and go. That's crazy right so okay. This is how deep it goes. When you're episode came out and talked about my dad. After i was on my opening line and then you had that poll i texted my sister who was out of the country and i said so. There's this really amazing podcast that onto our with and they're super popular and i think the world thinks thinks that our dad is the worst nap said you know what it's really. It's just a nice therapeutic feeling knowing that we're not making it up. You know what i mean and she actually thought it was hilarious. She's like good it. I hope the world fucking nose and we're getting to the point now that we do talk about it because we didn't for a long time because it was traumatic and her shrank has started using the word like use the word emotional terrorist terrorist because he would just like attack us but not physically and not sexually right so we couldn't put a word to it at the time yeah you don't just being. I'm not grateful because what is really happening right. It's hard and my mother did the best she could and she got us out of the relationship with him but he's you know she tried to have us have a relationship with him after the divorce but she saw that he was just being so abusive and what's the rat thing. Oh boy it's it's a long roaches are coming fast enough. You gotta bring your own okay so we had a house on block island. We had a summer home and they split up the weekends right so my my father immediately. There's block island new york. <hes> no no. It's the costa rhode island's a little island so these split the summer house for one very awkward summer so my father who miraculously got a girlfriend two days as after the divorce you gotta wonder about you put out exactly yeah anyway techs weeks before that was a whole other situation anyway anyway so they were splitting the time and i was at his house and they live together because they they moved into cancer immediately. I am now rethinking about what really happened and i overheard them saying saying oh be careful there. There's a there's a rat problem and my father's like oh yeah you gotta watch out for the rats rats in the house. You know the way they were saying. It was like performing live yet and this woman's into it. The girls on she is so in on that shit so then the next other people have anyone sucks. I i know so they're still together and oh sure they are. I'm sure he's very faithful yeah and so i went to my mom and i said i think that there's rats in block island how she goes not there's not rats and i was like no but dad told me there were and she's like there's not so poor mom who can't just shit on your dad because that's not going to help. Your child tried so hard but you also can't because what you would love to say. Is you dad the fucking asshole. Please don't listen to him because you're gonna turn into fucking. Ask also here's the best part is we get to the house and it was late at night and i was so scared of the rats that she's like you know what you can sleep in the what we called the sickbed right which is the pullout allow couch as opposed upstairs right. We pull out the the sickbed and she's like all sleep in your bed. You can sleep in the on the couch because we watch t._v. And stuff and it was like a treat and there's a flat dead rat with tire marks on it in the vote pullout catch that my mother was supposed to sleep on so that was meant for her but then i shot and he put it there and she did you know right away or right away right fucking away. We're all lamp hats. We know because it was too much. It was like oh they're the way sign is that why oh you think you're such an impact because all these stupid fucking things as a kid no shit. The bed didn't drive over iraq. Well my mother. God bless her. I start screaming ming like it was him he did it. It was him because this point. I'm just like i don't know what to believe and held for you. I was eleven eleven point and she said now now now. There's is a reasonable explanation no and she's trying and i can tell she goes. Maybe you know there was a sick recently run over a rat and just crawled into abedin the accidentally and has no and she's like okay you're right. It was intended for her. Because she went to the bed. She was to sleep in and this is this is where it gets really worse. Sorry i'm getting all a little bit emotional <hes> but i did tell the story in the show so i i don't mind telling it she went to the bed. She was supposed to sleep in and there was like a stain and it's mellow polyurethane. He doused the bed with this stains so that she would want to sleep in the pull up touch wow he actually felt like a chemical on her bed or they are. Are they both authors or less than the girlfriend. <hes> okay so my dad is a doctor. My mother is a p._h._d. He is a doctor doctor. She is a bullshit doctor. She makes it up in the book title. Maybe she's a doctor. I don't fucking the new girlfriend must right. Okay okay so what is he. A doctor of. I believe is a marine biologist or something and now he does diet books. Look it's a it's a lot not shitting on your mom. Obviously there's what's going on yeah but you she does have money right being a doctor kency. Just go a fucking renmindbi. I think anybody i would they get the fuck out in graduate until i was like eighteen eighteen or seventeen she was still in school and he stole money from us okay and they still may from her but i don't get too into that. 'cause you know give a fuck stole money from all of us. When we you're flat broke like in cash or in your name everything wow did you have bad credit as the because of that yeah jesus i mean he didn't do it then but why didn't he didn't pay for college and he didn't pay child support. He paid very little child support. He did all of his money in his new name and they couldn't get and my mother there was just trying to survive and they <hes> they went to her school where she went to school for graduate school and my stepmother pretended to be her and her social security media number and she lost her student loans so we went from being middle-class to being broke and i never knew we were broke until afterwards my mother did a lot to protect us one sister one sister and a half sister and half brother from his previous merrick fee see why people suck because you can just have have a kid with this dude like if you're gay. You have to think about that shit spend money. They are going to take time. You're going to go through emotional emotional shit. It's possible by the time you have a baby. You broke up and fuck off. This could just happen accidentally. Just keep breeding breeders. I'm one of you now but <hes> i mean you get somebody that you have problems like. Could i complained. Scaffolding is hitting my wait. What do you mean you like shit. I had riots honestly may maybe i put the bar so low because only my bed baby and it matters. This is kinda true. There's also a thing that your mother had to do. Which is yeah ride the line nine of telling you the truth and protecting you from what your parents are like what your parent is protecting me from the fact that she's he's like. We had no money for a while. Like why did we go to the movies every weekend and see the same movie i was like because i loved space camp like when you know things like that. She's like yeah. No we were she really he did protect us a lot but at the same time. I knew something was wrong. Movies were together house yeah. Just you anything on the weekend. That didn't cost a lot of money. You know the movies back. Then were three dollars kidding yeah. It was if you went till a one p._m. Showtime they all day yeah. Oh yeah that's another thing you could just stay all day in bounce from that's like a thing we used to do is to see three movies. A day. I saw dirty dancing at age ten and whispered to her like mom what is knocked up. Mean what's an abortion and she's like shut. Hukou shut up the lifts zine six. You're spreading your legs dance. Mom getting an abortion mike anyway. I been in therapy my whole life. I do talk about this a lot in your your mom doesn't mind you talk about it not happy with it but she knows there's an you. Give her a script and she goes yes. This is correct to say. I did give her the script of the show to let her know yeah yeah but you know good. I mean that's the only answer but good. She doesn't try stompie. She doesn't my both of my parents would really no question well your mother's my siblings would they don't listen to your show and that's on the but they know not right but your mother other is still in the story that this is a great marriage and that you guys had a great child and she could have done better if there were struggles but wait. They know not to listen to your weight. You told them not to know they know for their own sanity. Okay interesting my my mother says she doesn't listen to my podcast but then she'll drop a piece of information that i only set on the fog and they can't help themselves some. I don't listen but i don't like the way you use. The word god's name a- and i don't mind you know i'm a i'm an open book your own your own. That's a different eh but what's funny is if they listen to the show and you go in my goddamn father. It's like don't talk about god that way. Aren't you concerned that what i'm saying my goddamn father right. Can you imagine you know what i mean. Also it's wild to me as she was five years younger than i am now when she was going going through this and she had two kids and i can't imagine myself holding my shit together enough i mean i don't know you know i don't. I also don't think that they understood that. This is a level of expression that could or should be happening. I don't think this is like possible in in their world fair yeah this. This is all new like is your mother. Our parents don't tell us what diseases they've had because that's none of anyone's business including our doctors do do. They pulled that shit. My mother's very honest okay so now your mother can speak like we talk about everything now yeah my mom would just start crying and then blame you know they did their best or she did her best and that'd be the end of the conversation. She feels like it's all her fault and i keep having tell her that it's not because it wasn't she did her best right but we talk about it openly and she's apologized for things and i'm like you know it doesn't we're getting through it at least your time me about it now. I'm learning. Everything's now that is maybe i don't want an apology. Maybe i just want to bitch about that. I understand you know we got a couple and i'm not confused where that line is but at the same time don't just draw oughta dismissive apology we got together after we recorded our episode together until the bartender and had had a couple martinis and i was telling her about your story. Gee that's wild and your father's an asshole to and we were just laughing so now we're at the point we can kind of laugh about it and and talk about intimately and i can ask her any question. She's very honest. I think if if your mother understood and how much of relief that is just that like we can't change the past but just her speaking like it's the truth. I know i've had a phone call. This was years and years ago. My mom called and i hear something inner voice. I'm like oh what's up and i'm in a car. We were in texas you and me you were in the car keith. We were in the car with the director and the on the girlfriend of the director of the movie. She's chris crushed. Yeah and i get a call from my mom and i'm like fucking. I'll pick it up because i i probably haven't picked it up in a week or whatever and i'm like what's going on. She's like you know what you dad hasn't spoken to me for a month and i'm like you know that's really really rude and wrong for him to do. They were married yeah. They're always married so they're still married. My parents married yet and it doesn't matter yeah. There's not even it's not even like a question. They're not. They're not ever going to not be married yeah. He could do whatever he wants. He can hit her. I know it he can hit anyone to refer month at they just they weren't talking. I assume they're not having sex but i don't know they could be having sex while he's not talking to her. You ever see that movie success. How long does that take place. They weren't talking. He didn't know it uh-huh he she blinds for dinner one sir you're so mad. You won't let me pay checks. That's so funny. We forgot the side note of the senses that guy's just think they're in a relationship when they haven't said said anything. I'll fix this soon. You remember we talked on the last few episodes ago with a fear of this guy was like oh. I just got blindsided. My wife asked me for a divorce course and keep an eye. Were like you're implying. Whatever it is even if you guys seem to be all right. You weren't blindsided not fully not one hundred percent anyway so my mom's like you dad hasn't spoken to me for a month. I'm like oh my god. That's terrible. What a jerk. I probably said something like that. What a jerk. I don't think any words it's like asshole or something like that and she goes stop it. Don't talk about your dad like that and she turned on me and acted like i was just this arrogant arrogant and talk baqi child who's not grateful for the things that my father did and you know. She was in a launch into everything good that he like. You know what mom journal person yeah. I would never supposed to be. I remember okay. Here's another one i was at trader. Joe's she's calling me. I'm doing my shopping. At this time. I remember like i had the other place that we had our studio in the maintenance. Company was treating me like shit. They just idle. I'd a lotta heavy shit coming down on me especially that week normal shit they you know adult ticket but it happens to be more of waited thing and my mom's like oh you sound like something and i'm like you know what fuck it. I'm going to say this out loud. I'm gonna fucking. Take this leap because i would love to tell somebody you know. Maybe like somebody's asking. I would love to unload a little bit ago. You know i'm having a hard time with this with this house and the people that that are running the maintenance company. They're really lee not paying attention to me and then i think i might have said one of the thing but i'm not sure and she's like oh. She started getting distraught. We got to got off the phone like pretty pretty. Abruptly she called me back and she go like immediately and she goes. Are you gotta tell me something different. You gotta tell me that things are okay because i'm not going to be able to asleep and i swear to god. I didn't even need a beat. I already knew this fucking story. New addition of senator said anything and that i'm not a person to go mom. We know these are just regular things that i said i'm not really that upset. You know how things are like. This thing's going to happen but tomorrow. It's going to be different and i know that and like really what is gonna happen. This is gonna sound like a weird question but here we are. Does she have friends to talk to or she so. I think all these people have friends friends but she'll say things to me like <hes>. I didn't ask a family member somebody that she she talks. I didn't ask her about her our kids because i don't want them to ask me about. You and i was like oh that's personal. I have two siblings but you don't want her to ask about me so she she she hides from even her closest friends and her sisters probably like the closest sushi might delve into it but it's kind of like if she tells me that my dad hasn't spoken to a for a month and i react then she's not telling anybody that you know because they have to keep up this facade of everything's okay so she tells the truth to anybody. You know people don't tell the truth not even to their closest friends because you're afraid of what will happen. Even if it's stuff that you're not doing your husband is not talking to you. So why are you ashamed. You know because we put shame on that. Maybe your husband and i don't know if he did or didn't cheat in on you. Why are you ashamed about that and so it's kind in of gross meanwhile if you're talking every day to your friends or your sister or whatever what are you talking about if you're talking about nothing and the answer is always gossip. It's always other people people and what the neighbor did and can you believe this one because you're out of info if you're not speaking intimately if you're not speaking about the real shit happening in your life that you're actually pissed off at your daughter for whatever fucking in reason you'd rather like avoid that then you're just talking about other people in their non existent problem but it's interesting just the three of us with all our childhood problems now it helps each other and that's the way god works serious isn't it thank god for c._b._d. He gave it to us and i'm about to talk about right now. The end tire c._b._d. Industry industry is talking about an innovative panted. Hemp oil infused chewing gum chewing gum. That tastes good so you chew it longer. The new get swerving right. You love to say that c._b._d. Is actually like so t._h._c. 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My dad tried to get my mom to sign a piece of paper that said she had a corporation where he would give her money in the divorce what he was actually doing trying to put toxic assets in that corporation and bankrupt her after being married twenty five years and she saved his life he he had so many medical problems like he had. I don't think he has his own live. Early has a lot of transplants like heart kidney like he should have died died. I think at least ten times like series death the doctor would tell him he only has such and such amount to live her mother would take care of him and push him through that and like and and the whole family would take care of him. There was a lot of like illness during their teenage years and then he got through all of that and was like see. I've been dating eating this woman for twenty. Ten years are for ten years and he didn't even tell her that she figured it out right. She hired someone one like a genius and found all this shit out please. When you have the extra last five bucks you have and you've got to hire a lawyer. See who's thinking he's putting in a bad situation. They need a heart transplant. Oh yeah he's a heart transplant anna kidney transplant. Why isn't he better. He got heart. I know he got like someone shady's hard and and like that's when he turned. Did you first second that though i would <hes> well some of my mom's friends who are doctors have said said like he his he was like <hes> a vegetable for a long period of time like when he there's so many surgeries but the big surgery where he was born with a very defect effect like a heart disease that most children die when they're like they live for a period of time. You're missing like a valve. That's pretty important <hes> so he lived with it and he used to have like experimental procedures and then he got to a certain age in his heart doctors. Were just like this. You're gonna die like i don't know what to tell you unless unless you get another procedure which they can only do in chicago and you'll remember him being a good person before that i don't really he wasn't around a lot of okay. I see videos of us. When we're i was a little kid and he was very attached to me like i was like his little girl type thing and i think it's probably easier easier for him to feel close to me when i'm like a little baby has it's not like a woman selling an adult woman or a teenager or you don't have any any fans or screaming fits of how much of a do she is so i don't he wasn't around a whole lot and sick often <hes> and then i remember there. Was this this surgery that he was gonna get chicago. 'cause the the canadian government <hes> great health care. If there's a surgery that you can't have in the united added states the canadian government will pay to send you to whatever country that you need to go to you may have great candidate the oh yes sorry so like if there's no doctors in canada that that can perform this procedure but american doctors or french or whatever they'll pay to send you to the place that can do it for you. Well maple syrup doesn't solve anything that's tough faith by the way yeah but you know what's funny is if he would have got a canadian heart. He might have been nice. He has an american heart the almost and give it to him at like in the final hour when they weren't sure if he was going to get it off there were they legitimately were like. We don't want you to try to pretend to be a citizen. Because did you have an american heart and my mom was like fuck. You suck my dick. Give it to me and the doctors like okay well. Mrs allen is very persuasive. The van and we're going to go ahead. He didn't get a heart transplant. He got he didn't experimental procedure in chicago. He was recovering. I didn't live at home. During that time. I live with with my friend and then i got a call one morning. They woke me up super early and they said you have to go to chicago. Your parents miss you grow and i was like sounds like a lie. Have you met my dad. He's never hear how can you miss me doesn't know me so then eventually my mom's time my friends parent was getting me ready to go and i was like they don't miss me. Do they and he was like no. It's not looking good and so me. I and my older brother flew together from vancouver to chicago like super early in the morning got there. They had a party limoux waiting for us because they couldn't find like an appropriate. I'm oh in the short time disco balls moving lights i am. I'm not even kidding. There was this ball there is so much booze in there was funniest thing ever. It was like your dad's gonna die but enjoy enjoy the nine or ten something yes so i don't i it's hard. I don't have like great memory camera understanding of ages when stuff happen because they don't have great memories of it also when you see a disco ball. Do you like have a seizure either so many things but when when your kid and there's a poll you just answer honestly fun. I was like i was obviously very scary but i was too young to understand the the magnitude of the situation like i didn't. I didn't you know your kid. Brain can't like oh my parents can do that sounds like a thought that you can fully grasp so we got there and and he had gotten a blood disease from the hospital after the procedure and he was like vegetables who's all when people are in hospital beds for a long time they pop-up huge so he had all these like compressors on him to stop him from getting infections like wounds bed wounds and he was like on all these machines and stuff. It was terrifying to see it. It's so weird i had. I had the compressions on my leg. I had the open heart surgery the sleeves yeah they just feel your legs like squishing every once in a while and then they're like we're gonna leave that on because we don't want you to die of like a blood. Whatever and i'm like you can just yeah tell me you. Can you know i'm not gonna take it off yeah so you don't have to tell me what i'm going to die of. This show me things that can kill you in the hospital yeah so so he was basically like a vegetable and they were like you can either give him a heart transplant or you can pull the plug and so my mom is. They're all online online on this. I'll fucking no just around and they they were. I could understand that there was like serious adult. The decisions being made my dad's brother was there his sister everyone. Oh that's why your mom didn't pull the plug. No i guess we'll keep him around. I mean she really was so resilient like that's part of a huge amount of why i have such respect for him and disdain for for sorry respect for her disdain for him because it's like you. Seriously asli wouldn't be around if this woman you know how it's like. The wife deserves half. I'm like the wife deserves three-quarters. She's responsible for you being alive and so they said we can put him on a shortlist for heart transplant because heart transplants are based off of need not based off of time waiting on. It's both but what if you are on your deathbed then they'll bump you up to the top list. Some guy in chicago has a brain aneurysm on a motorcycle he dies and and he gets inca provides. Yes he dies and they harvest that heart and got her transplant within like i want to say three to four hours i something insane like it was insane and and so then he got a heart transplant and they like woke him up and my mom's like you have a new heart and he was like like are you finding i fuck and so then but from that period on he was still sick for like i wanna i say maybe five years because when he was such a vegetable he was he lost the ability to swallow properly to move his arms and legs to talk he was a macy gated like very very skinny. I would say like one hundred pounds. Maybe needing that woman at that time. No he's not doing anything. We can't walk knows with these. Fucking guys know stephen. Hawking walking can cheat on his wife. She's probably any really get a heart transplant. Yeah i honestly who knows those those hospital our they don't take those series jacking them off my picture of me tape to his heart monitor so fucked up and you roll me down the street why honey so then he he recovered for he he had pancreatitis in the hospital. There were many many chapters of this recovery was in a hospital he. I used to sit like when he finally got home. He couldn't eat properly without throwing up so we'd have our weird like family dinners and he had a bucket next to a <hes> table and he would eat but he like wanted to remain. He wanted to keep it. I have empathy for him because this is i can't imagine a human being going through the amount of pain and he enjoyed things seem classier than they were right. You couldn't gosawx dinner table. No improper conversations about pop music or like when you you ought tutors when you watched american beauty where you like canadian way many times over so he would he would eat and then get sick but he would throw up in a bucket and then i would like go take the bucket or my mom would clean it. He puts to throw pakis akkas bonkers shit. I remember he would. I'm surprised he didn't do give you all bucket and so you have to pretend to throw and support. I mean gene andrea. I'm feeling better about my life right yeah. I told i was hanging out with this young. Mice is a game show. You're hearing about people's data data and you can take the money and run or a war status coming off worse than this. We andrea now catherine. You try to one up yeah. I had to prove my dedication. I got no words right now. I was fascinated by that. Yeah i mean the rat story and all that that's got at that time. He wish one trump the rats story or this throw-up store hearing that after like like because we no what happens after at least minimum we don't feel bad and you're supposed to feel bad for him during this story and they don't i think one's worse and i'll tell you why not to yours. Yours is andrea but the rowan is worse because the intention so fucking fucked up of course but then he then later on did rat rat levels shit to my mom and he also was abusive to my brother before like when we were young he was malicious. One time i was in the hospital and he he was playing a golf game and they thought i had appendicitis and i remember my mom calling him being like can you come and he was like i'm doing the golf game like i can't. I'm i'm on the issue going that'd be fine and then my mom had to come back and tell me that he wasn't gonna come 'cause i 'cause he was golfing so it's like he was this character before he got really sick nick and was sick for a long time and then there was kind of this admiration for him because he's miracle man he also his kidneys never came back his sister gave him a kidney transplant survived survived that pancreatitis again. He's at skin cancer like he's you notice and keith with your dad also and i don't know about you catherine but like these men men will outlive his heart is made of wood like we're gonna die. I know the actually feel that way. My stepmother's had brain cancer answer twice and she's not dead and friends who've passed like early in life and it's like why why then but not them. I don't wish death upon people but only the good though it is interesting just like when when i had my tumor trump was elected and i'm like i'm sitting here with a tumor and they just released like that. His health is fine and how he seventy years old like obese announce mcdonald's all the time yeah. He's in the white house eating mcdonalds but i have a tumor more or all day long. You know cosmetically funny. That's all you can chalk it up to. There's <hes> here's a fun quick break. This just happened with donald trump and he was yelling at a fat fat. Protests are one of his rallies. That guy's got a serious weight problem gome start exercising outta here. Please fat discuss. Some everything he says is projecting on him about everything that person's aligarh this is fake. This person's is looking this person's persons gross. He's literally just talking about himself. You know what i'm saying. It's great but it's like no no. It's not great. It's it's amazing. Make america great again but it's but it's amazing because we're looking at it like did he's everyone on that right and everyone else like <music> great your fat and it's like his audience cannot be some of those you heard so. He has a thing about a theory about exercise. He trump believes this. I read this somewhere. That was legitimate. He doesn't believe in exercise because he thinks that you have a certain certain amount of exertion in your life and if you overdo it you'll die early science. There are no rules anymore. It's a why aren't we saying. I think there ever were to be honest with us. Because i've played by the rules and big mistake i cleaned up my own father's vomit error. They are you know thought it was chill. Yeah mister nice gals. I mean yeah and then to find out after this whole thing that i think my parents marriage was bad. I don't think that they should stay together but for them to get the divorce and then to find out in retrospect all this shady shit he was doing this one woman other women hiding things trying to fuck around with finances finances. It's like the balls to be so disrespectful after all of that when you do for a living financier yeah he he started his own kind of no. I have no idea i mean he's like i separate image shoe categories like the one category i can admire him for he. He got a full ride ride scholarship to cal berkeley when he's young. He's very smart person. I look at all the health problems and i'm like i admire you for also building your own company at the same time like he couldn't have done done this without the support of my mom but i have to be like that's something that is admirable and then there's this whole other script. That's like this just like like loveless narcissistic monster and i don't know yeah i think that's i think that's what's difficult about abuses that. It's never just a loveless bliss monster. It always comes with charisma sort of interesting. Now you your dad keith. What data is rich. I'm so sorry they've evo had titles. My dad had the priest title andrea a financier yeah catherine a doctor yours. A self made businessman owned on business from nothing coming to america yeah. I just had a memory things. Come back at. You and you're like oh yeah that happened. <hes> my father wrote diet books that became very famous famous and he was on talk shows all the time and this is right after the divorce and he had a butler the money that will never see in. I talked about this scarsdale diet guy. He's the carbohydrate hydrate addict's diet so in college and still dealing with all these things but like finally i'm out of the out of the home away from my memories and that was started smoking pot raymond year and i'm in my dorm room with my friends and we're watching t._v. And it's the montel williams show and they <hes> high as a kite and the like and now dr richard and rachel israel heller and i see my dad on t._v. And i was like oh my god that's my dad and yet starts laughing because the last name is the same and they're all l. Blitz and that's a good one catherine. She's a comedian and i started so long because it was really him and it was such a weird like that stoned or is this how yeah yeah yeah. It's crazy make weird feeling. They all get these accolades from other people ask again. Not your dad keeps because he isolates himself because this is what's weird about <hes> your dad is. He's like he all this is why your dad isolates himself because he can only be on top of that mountain if he's just alone on the mountain laws yeah yeah because he doesn't really have charisma and charm but seeing people like applaud for him and people like buying his book and stamping crying saying has changed my life. It's like ah. I wish i could just yet thing. My parents are moving back to israel. This was like at some ten years ago. They're packing up and i'm like i don't even know how to feel about it. All it feels it was like now. I gotta take twelve hour fucking plane rights visit you so you can watch t._v. While i'm there means and so i'm like sitting around like a nice daughter my dad's there. I guess he's he's pack gnarly. Don't let me in on it. Just sit here and watch us and that means you love. Okay great so i'm sitting there. There's this dude. He grew speaking. Whatever foreign place he's from. It's never just israel. It's whatever he's got five kids. He's like twenty eight years old. You know he's a golden boy and blah blah blah. He turns to me when my dad's not there for a second and he goes your dad so great and here we go here. We go you and your shit life. I can tell your face that you hate your wife you know and that you decided to go this route because of oh great men like my father you know and he's like your father man. He's just like a father. I just met you. I guess if we're siblings i'm missing something and also he's not like a father to me so i don't know how to relate to you. One and i just leave and just fucking i. I had to leave shortly because i'm like. I guess your son is here. The guy never met but he's like dad taught me everything he took me under. My dad hates me. He ate everything everything i do. I can't even believe i'm sitting here. That even wants to look at me before he leaves this country. Yeah i used to show up super slutty to my dad's offices. Ah especially when i was like like a drunk mass i was talking about like the forms of revenge i would take them when i was like in my early twenties and and in no way where they mature but they were also hilarious give you credit. I couldn't do it. I always stood up to him and that was like a weird dynamic. In my family is that he was so horrible horrible to my brother and i have some relief now my brother deals with him in the way that he does but i've like and i'm not saying that my brother didn't fight back all the time but i just i i just was so annoyed all the time like the obvious insanity that was always happening and i would mouth off to him a lot. We used to go on trips together. L. and i would always be always an a screaming match and i was a child so like i wasn't being the most mature takata brat too but i couldn't growing. It was like your family keith. You're not gonna scream. There's no parents that you can scream at i think i screamed at them twice and it was like i didn't know you could fight your look at that become a law white girl. I can do whatever i want. I didn't know that that was possible so i never did it but what did work. I found out that they called disarray said i'm ready now. Do you wanna channel my inner little white girl because it's powerful at i remember i used to go when i found out they were getting divorced and my mom mom opened up about some of the stuff and i've learned many horrible things since then like every time i learn a new piece of information like oh god no come on but <hes> i used to take his credit card go to bars and just by everyone rounds of drinks all the time i wish i did. I think i jacked it up to like five grand over a summer because i was just like what are you gonna do parent me yeah l. o. l. o. l. o. l. o. l. I look back and i wish i i did shit like that. I wish i because y. Y wish i took advantage of the things that you said that you would do for me. Yeah you know what i mean like anything but it just wasn't it. I couldn't the most i could do was stop reacting to them and that's when they hated it. They would just be jumping out of their skin and you. You know what the worst thing i did was not. I was fine. Be yourself. Come on that's where they would go. What's and i'm like well. I have nothing to say anymore. I tried debating this. I i'm i'm good at talking to you. I'm reasoning things out nothing so just be like simply janina about your divorce who knows oh okay. Maybe probably i'm not saying parents not hard but there's parents that do like parenting to be hard heard. They want to make sure it's understood that there are marta and you know who those guys are like you ever noticed this the person in your company or the person person and that you work with who's like oh man. I got all this shit to do allah. They're doing the least because they're saying all that stuff because it's like someone's someone's gonna find out. I'd better look like they're making list or sending unnecessary emails about fucking nothing could actually not doing their job so everyone who's huffing and puffing. I don't know why you have have time to heaven puff or not. Be grateful for the job that you have. Shouldn't you be busy checking off that list and i noticed that like especially hiring people in this position now now. I can see him like oh if you are like. I can't believe i'm doing this. I caught myself doing a little piece of it a few years back. I was like oh man. This is a big deal. I'm like oh. I'm making this a big deal because i don't wanna do it and so complaining about it is like helping me not do it. It's also also so often you make a big projects and things when you don't actually have much going on you know <hes> like i have this huge thing and it's but it's not like it's not for anything. It's i'm not. I'm not saying that creating own projects is invalid. I do that all the time but it's like. Nothing's happened yet. I started tell the bartender because i worked at a hedge fund and i was really bored with my life life and that was in the show at the time and i wanted to do something creative yeah but i was like oh god you all. This and it's like you still talk to you that no oh okay. Do you andrea you do sometimes we email from time to time like i got the forbes feature. I sent him because he's like a business person. I'm like you're going to enjoy this in this playboy to him right. Yeah yeah us very i mean he also probably looks playboy. <hes> but there was a there was a phone call well a few years back because there was some drama that unfolded in my family and it was my final like i broke my brain trying to deal with stupid bullshit like i'll be talking. I was talking to him on the phone. I don't even know how to address half the things you're saying right now a lot of like don't you want to be hap- we me to be happy and i'm like i'm named him twenty nine now. I can't do this anymore so after that y- we'll put a boot like you know who cares if andrea wants you to be happy. You're dad add stop asking her. That cares that your daughter wants you to be happy. No i want you to be miserable now. That makes my life better than this this way we can have these. I'm <music>. I'm the problem here. It's me who's been the problem this whole time and so i just i just got so tired of it and so i i started doing therapy and i told them i need space and then the more space i got from him. I was like oh my god. Why have i been having a relationship with you. You make me so upset. All all the time i try and i try and i try and you never come through for me. You never make me feel loved. You make me feel like a child yeah you you have supported me financially in the pass which i thought was a good thing but in retrospect it kept me infantile and dependent on you and and it allowed you to control me like financial abuses a big thing he likes do he's super. Super loves the power of money. It's like his number one thing. When i was in my early twenty s my dad like the insurance for my car got sent to his that must've just moved out of something so they just started to pay for the insurance on my car <hes> and one day he got like superman me for something dopey because i'm an adult. Can you be mad at me about like called me at work which i went to again. What are you mad at me of. How and he's like oh from now on. We're not paying your insurance and i go. Oh thank you for paying this this farley. I don't expect you to and i appreciate it and he got so here. I'm getting buddha acronym. Okay then that's all in okay. Thanks i'll talk to you later and he's live at all. That was the best conversation i ever had with the fuck face. Have you considered not talking to your dad well. There's doing it through my ex-wife right none of our conversation surreal. You know i mean if you wanna be you wanna get nitpicky than a guess on talking talking but i think it would hold up in a court of law that we're not talking say none of these emails. Even from me are real. Last email was uneven oxen send because because i knew they'd get them roundup. I'll say the further. I stepped the longer. I stepped away from him. The more clear it became to me how how toxic even just having a phone call with him regularly became. I was like i walk around elated like like you you for act like i can't. I can't believe i feel this free. I forget that i've parents all that's bad. No no that's good yeah well. The the guilt guilt comes in every once in a while and that's why i'll email him things you know to try to keep but i'll email him and then he'll be like let me flat new york and take you to dinner and i'm like no no. We're not easing back in. There's no i told a bunch of my friends who've known me for my whole life that i that i wasn't communicating with him and my closest friends were like i'm i'm shocked. You got you went this long and i was like okay thank you. My mom is like you don't have to really have a relationship with them and i was just like you know thank god aw and fifteen sixteen. I can't even count anymore years. Since we last spoke my dad and i agree with you. I think it's really important to set boundaries. Yes base because then you remove remove yourself from it and look back on it. Move out of the abusive relationship. Yes yeah it will never that feeling of guilt or i hope he loves me. Again will never go away always always gonna be there but at least you can live with it knowing that you're doing the best thing for you so case. I don't have yeah don't feel guilty for a second second. Why are you still doing as funny. It's funny. Do you not feel like it's still like participating in a toxic kinda dance that you too have been doing. It's been this like you like mocking what he's like and him coming back at you like he has more control over it. Oh absolutely one hundred percent on your terms. He's not like hurting you but it what how how does it end. I guess you know well. She's engaged now. Oh my ex's engaged so we'll see. I get what you're saying. You don't care it'll end and i won't care then either yeah. Is there a time when this wasn't going on. I think care just to say i think to recognize. 'cause i feel like i don't care either for the most part. I think there's one percent that's still in there but i think i had to really really understan- dan my dad does not like me. I just wish i was financially controlled a little bit saying that it's like i'll take the dinner you are the worst with rape survivors saying we don't have anything but it's i guess of what black cat meal around for way longer than i should of and in retrospect. I'm like like man that was nice but <hes> my dad. The when it came to money is all the things i missed out on yeah. He would have paid for harvard. He i do see your bank account by accident vent and another. I was gonna give your car graduation. You couldn't say why this rely after the fact wait so he he said like you're so bad i was going to give you this but yes yes fucking asshole how keith and he did a tall. My siblings and the majority of them went to college. They paid for themselves well. That's the thing thing i used to think. I used to think that i couldn't be an adult in the world because i would get help from my parents. I had this narrative that like i'm an idiot like used to call me a welfare spender or and all this like really yes super shit and what the fuck yeah but but like i it's. It's you know if you if you're not giving agency. You're not gonna learn to control your finances like that's the thing i've been living as an artist i with very little money in new york fine. I've been paying my rent and live. You know what i mean like. How much of this lie that. I am an idiot and you need to help me. It's true oh all of it. Okay i mean i shouldn't have taken it but it's it's like. I thought that that's just oh. You're bad at this and let me help us to send me like rich women finish. I didn't like all these like books about how to not be an idiot and i'm like i is the answer mary rich. I don't know i didn't read it. I laughed. It threw it away but it's it's like andrea has had a hundred thousand. Her address has had experience with men sending her books. Now everyone sending me a fucking book weird book. What's funny is it might actually be good books but they always send it in the worst timing and it's just chucked away yeah. I know that i've i've pillars. The self-esteem added a helped but not from keith mcnally author arrest harass keith also text me saw a woman who looked like me and wanted to put her skin like mice some sort of skin tad ensue you yeah it's just weird responses fucking no yeah. It's it's wow i liked it. I used to think like oh. You're just you're stupid a bit or you're not good enough and you get these accolades. 'cause you're rich which is partially true of course privilege will get you places in life. There's no question about that but then eventually my mom was like you know if you didn't have money you would find a way to do all this stuff on your own view katherine andrea lake i. I don't know anyone that could work harder like you. I have to remind you that you need days off yeah. Andrea texts me and she's like. I'm sick again and i'm at home. I'm like can you find me sick. I hate it like do you understand that now is the time to leave the fuck down in in retrospect. It is a good way to create a successful child by breaking breaking them in this particular manner ari. I will say that no you want more therapy. My dad expects constant praise any to own podcasting. Oh thank you. You're welcome yeah yeah but you know what he'd like. He will look you in the eye ago. I wonder how that happened and you feel like thank you father and then he'll be like i know that's not the tone that you're supposed to take and make you say it again. Oh katherine that rat in the in the bed was something but keith. Your dad is sir. I don't know okay so andrea catherine stat or keith. Dan is now you're dead. <hes> the new poll when you can have ghosts have sex with what when you could make up somebody ritual sex with your father. It says you couldn't talk anymore. <hes> you know i hate. I hate the country. The weird country free stuff that happens at your household the holes in the isolation and stuff like that like you at least got to be in new york location based selection <hes> because they're both so horrific and by the way keep in mind like you couldn't escape jabhat go on the city can't escape because you would try to escape but the fog is up up to your knees and keep following in hosea punishment couldn't get anywhere broken ankles for years yeah okay but yes i will give andrea the new york <hes> pity thing yet had to be a little bit of a relief however she had to be in some other home with not only her dad but the new partner that seems to be like the perfect partner for such a fucking psycho and together. They're putting rats in your mother's day. At least like keith's dad couldn't mess too much with his mom because they were are there to to be like nah. That's the line and she she like yelled back and you got satisfaction out of your mother yelling by anytime they were fighting enjoyed it yeah i. I didn't masturbate per se. I don't know i i don't know i just got sick because i almost said rather cute i don't. I think this needs to be a competition. I think are all losers who rule in all winners at the same time well. That's not fair because my dad was on the edge of ac- listening as was mine he looked he listens to all my shifts to really take like six assists in his angering them right now. If they heard this they'd be like okay. But did i win the it was a smaller okay. Yes my dad or key. Stan your dad yeah yeah. My dad can play sane in public more than your dad can like he yeah you met him. You'd be like what a successful man he also gave you more opportunities in held back more opportunities than keep static data yeah absolutely yeah and i for some reason i know how to manage your dad more than keats dad <hes> yeah my my dad has more lucidity although in recent years he's become much less. Your data's still has accomplished anything. Keith debt has never accomplished one thing in his life my dad maybe your yeah paid for two months. Never gave me respect. Your dad. Just called you on the phone russian vomit in a bucket doc it keep it together. Thank you very much andrews. Podcasts of course is the hot mess comedy hour you wanna take a listen. That's for sure so then how are are you feeling. That's a lot you know and i that was amazing. I feel better about my life. I don't feel so alone and thank you for sharing. I gotta say you're a a pretty well rounded human being and i am not going to give your dad any credit for that because you rose above some crazy fucking shit. You're you're amazing keith. You saw some shit to work. I'll tell you what everybody in. This world would just shut the fuck up on trying to work speaking of other countries in donald trump trump. You may have read this. Donald trump says he has interest in buying greenland personal just home with state and that's the end. He'll say he knew the whole time. It was a joke and life moves on trade idea point to it on a map. You can have it. Denmark doesn't give a shit in denmark of course own greenland. There government put out a statement. This is true. I haven't heard that yet. Denmark would would be interested in purchasing the united states in its entirety with the exception of its government. Thank you good jumps like i'm thinking about buying greenland eamon greenless like what why does he talk all right. My dad was going to buy disneyworld but if it wasn't for deborah yeah. My dad lives in disneyworld remember that he loves it right. He wears matching disney up. It's every day with his wife. This is not a joke go and his website at least now he's visible about. It's crazy like i noticed away from him. If i saw that dot org it'll blow your mind the track everything here dot org off the organization for <music>. All the kids stuff you. That's him in the matching. Oh it's just it's like if a five five year old could build a website for them so and he's kissing. I assume that's your stepmother. Oh yeah oh. I just threw up in a bucket the on monday of course we talked about the death of jeffrey epstein. The poll was jeffrey epstein commit suicide and in parentheses to be clear. I wrote including without help. Eighty percent say no and i agree and he didn't commit and commit suicide at least without help least being forced lease without being forced to you know i'm picturing picture like a you know somebody could be there. Here's a fucking rope. Get it done. I agree because he's not a person that would end his own. Life yet likes himself to supposedly he was going to meet the <hes> he loves himself and he was gonna meet his his lawyer the yeah later in the week and see friday. He's he's a narcissist. He's gotten away with everything is entire life. He was probably thinking. I'll get apart and i'll get out. I'll got something and he's right. I highly doubt that he died by suicide in in his position. I would never never commit suicide because i know i'm about to get off. I got off hundreds of times with crazy shit on the level that we know on the level that we know he's probably been threatened. Several he always gets off. No cameras working on his this guy could put away so many people. Oh you just promise a little time off. He wasn't even for the not even up for the death penalty. He could have been talking up the forty five years so he could have got that had narrowed down if he if he can get enough people in trouble they will watch him. They would watch no question. Cameras were off ammo revved up. Cameras are off. His roommate was moved moved out. Guards didn't check on them for hours and i see this stuff in the news. Where it's it's like <hes> guards. They were making them work their fifth overtime shift. Let me take him. How hard needed to check a cell. Who cares if you on your seventy overtime shift you check the cell when it's time to check to sell and they didn't. They were literally sleeping for our. He's the most high profile prisoner are in the world right now next to chapo. You put someone fucking on him and prison by the way had el chapo. That's interesting el chapo. They kept an eye liane not jeffrey epstein fucking all these kids he kept tapes and things on all of these people they found so if he knew he had shit on people he would have given up all of that to get a lower sentence. His file of the kid fucking was just opened two days before this suicide what what timing and there's this person on the internet just a regular joe. His name happens to be jeffrey epstein so he has the twitter account jeffrey epstein. What do you do. What do you do like you go. Hi keith mcgraw. I'd like to work for you. What's your name jeffrey epstein seriously. Though oh you change your name to come to the right only time that's better. It's been the museum morning. <hes> the good jeffrey says having jeffrey epstein. That's my twitter handle <hes> pretty surreal. Tom my name tag next words like death suicide rapist pedophile monster et cetera under the other jeffrey epstein was a despicable human being as far as i'm concerned good riddance well. That's the thing that's when it's so <hes> convoluted isn't it or not pleased at a it should rapist as killed. Yeah wait a minute. It could be better. I don't think he needed. I don't think he would have had to give anybody up. I think if you have that much money other shit could happen and you can get out this guy says. Why should i be the one who changed name jeffrey epstein. He's the one who sucks little allude to office space. Why do i have to change. Change it of course in there so now they're swarming. I don't know what took so long but now they're they're investigating jeffries private island of freeze a private estates and in one of these places. There's a picture a painting a bill clinton in a blue dress sitting in his chair and the obe office again. Get not a picture to be clear a painting but is this a joke. That bill clinton was in on like this one. I can only guess haha monica lewinsky. He had the blue dress and i'm in a blue dress. Where a bunch of perverts yeah what what else could it be only thing. They just wanted to draw clinton in a blue dress because the blue dress was a thing that's the only thing that came to mind and i think like even though that seems sort of innocuous in like a ha ha it's such a tell and you're friends with clinton you were you were friends with clinton clinton so you don't think he's going to be upset seeing a picture he didn't know about it's no no. I don't think he would be upset because it's not a joke on the clintons. It's or or even just just bill clinton. It's always a joke on monica. Lewinsky always always like how did it affect clinton's life. He's fine at monica lewinsky. She had a fucking. We do a tedtalk ten twenty years later about what she did with the president and she blew him. You're welcome yeah. You're fucking presidency. You're intern blue and you. You didn't even know how to manage that you little bitch. Yes stephen king by the way on twitter right now and he's he's saying hey. I don't want people think i'm this. I'm this skype steve king a congressman in iowa. He's the one who fairly recently he was saying. I don't understand why the term white supremacist is offensive. I don't i don't know google it. Before you talk into a microphone well now. He's <hes> onstage and he's saying you know what no you should not get an abortion even because of reasons of rape deep because think how many people wouldn't be alive in society would we even have society of the people that were products of rape weren't here oh. He said that they want congress. Person through all the family trees just holders people says they pulled the people out of family trees products of rape and incest won't be any world with their any population all the words words and all the way to village this taking place outside all the wars all the rape pillaging. I don't even know if i would still be here the product of this be illuminating to him as he saying it like oh wait a minute women are such seen as such property me they are and women are just not seen as fully human beings by so many people would that pregnant if they weren't rape exactly right and the only job of them is to reproduce right so you know that's the way he sees it andros. Why a lot of e cig he saying the quiet part out loud that a lot of people think yeah in my opinion. You can't even ask questions yeah. Josh does the right. Captain must face one of his comics. He rates steve king's history. Book must be a hell of a read yeah. If we didn't have enough facts out there you just throw this out. I guess if you're a child and there was no history books but you are saying that in the history we are raping women women all the time and then and then you're gone but they should totally keep it because how also we can populate the world yeah and then you go have a sip of tea and enjoy your your life and you know tried to raise. Some more money. Sure good news is that there's now the child victims act at least here in new york state and it gives you could you no the statute of limitations that seems a little ridiculous and a lot of cases like oh you. You have this even if he had proof of d._n._a. Evidence of a rapist but not too much time went by you can't acknowledge it now you can't now. There's more time that you can acknowledge it. All only are also starting starting right now. You get one year to bring bring up anything. That happened ever one year one year to think like all right think. Is there something you haven't been saying that for the longest time for whatever reason then we're we're going to start enacting this new law but i'm giving you twelve months to you can go in <hes> and bring up a old case hundreds. Hundreds hundreds of cases cases were filed immediately. Well okay so you used to be and i think still is the case but it used to be for pedophilia. Your family would tell you it didn't happen the person listen you can fight it in. We'll tell you didn't happen. That's the adult in your life so you can't file a case until you become an adult now. We're learning how to deal with it so we're learning how to talk to kids about. How how yes it did happen and here's what we're going to do. The low opens up a so-called one year. Look back window allowing victims of any age to civil action against the abusers regardless of how long ago the abuse abuse happened after that year which applies only to civil actions victims have until the age of fifty five to file lawsuits against their abuser so they were kids. This is if you were abused as a kid. You have until age fifty five now. <hes> let's see i'd also has a criminal element victims now. Having to age twenty the eight to press felony charges and it's twenty five for misdemeanors fi- five year increase from the previous statute of limitations what's the difference then between the fifty five years in the twenty-eight after the year which applies only to civil actions victims have up until the age of fifty five to file lawsuits against their abusers. I'll i'm sorry for criminal see this so i never understood <hes> it though jay things when i noticed this was confused by your not guilty criminal you're guilty civil. You owe millions but you didn't murder you know. What are we talking about so anyway if it's criminal yet until twenty eight or twenty five twenty five for misdemeanors if it civil they were. I guess you can affect the money. You have until fifty five okay yeah that is weird. I'm missy elliott. Just got is is about to win and the michael jackson video vanguard award and i bring it up now because tamla say what an awkward title change it and then missy elliott tweets out. I'm very proud got to win the michael jackson the vanguard award and she should be what is she gonna deal sure but i wouldn't let say do accept it. I'm not tweeting out. The words words michael jackson video vanguard award quite frankly. If i was missy elliott i'd say don't put that on the fucking board. We'll remember what it was changed to. I don't want it but okay okay but don't acknowledge it yourself. It's michael jackson member when they did announce that and michael jackson thought he won an award and just a thank you speech well was hilarious. I wasn't making that up the video vanguard award they've had that award since let's see eighty four in nineteen ninety one it was renamed under michael jackson's name and it made no sense in nineteen ninety-one. He was in the middle of a controversy that we weren't really dell it. It was as if like no if we title this everyone will we'll just focus on this and not worry about all this other shit. That's happening missy. Elliott's forty eight song yeah she's amazing songs include loose control and maybe john man those gone all right. Maybe there's a video element. You think that's just the sample that she took to put on there. Do your freak on come. Get your freak on. Get your free calm. Work it as a fan market up reverse it any wet. Eh you actually in other words yeah used to the part of the song would use it. What does she say in reverse. It's your privacy. If you get it wet and were oh my goodness. I believe i i've been if i did it right. I was saying the n. Word out loud backwards. I should this. He's playing a frame yet. That's what i heard. She did some work with sierra. Are you guys familiar with bond a little bit. I know she's <hes> <music> add up. I don't know if she had like a a a couple of huge hits. She's so fucking talented. I have a feeling feelingly slept together sierra. I remember this one this one video. I watched it over an overt fucking fucking hot in this guy and she does these moods where it's like. She like rubs the ground and hits it and like pumps it without like she's fucking the floor and i'm like that's. That's not how you fuck. Dude is how the fuck a woman funny. I was like <hes> and then and then i look up is sierra and then a lesbian and i just realized what i'm doing but like that is already the rumor but i i hate like outing people and i try not to do that but please watch that video. I'm gonna do that when i get at home. Raiders charging withdraw the blinds comedian sebastian maniscalco will be the host of this year's v._m. As who's that he's aziz popular now big italian guy and he's like you know giving out these awards but it's named after up and we've been pretty amazing. Oh my god oh the song is ride by sierra <hes> they like it when around it. They like it went around it. They like it. When i ride the beat like go free free. Is you know it's ride the beat. She's not talking about this now. In this video her dance moves are amazing and she's like a strongest strongest fuck but then they cut to because she's female. I think she's like all like dolled up but she's chewing gum like god damn cow. She's fucking taking being that of her mouth and ludicrous jumps in always fast forward because he says the dumbest shit while she's acting like i candy for him but she's chewing gum like crazy eighty. Do yourself a favor for masturbating through this fast forward through ludicrous. He will ruin the entire thing for you. He's he's a human mop. Have you ever watched porn and then like a dog strolls into the shot and you can't do it anymore. And it's like no put the animals somewhere else the dead ass in the eye as he strolling because he's like oh. My god happens way too often in exodus. Get your shit together. Nearly two years after danny masterson was accused of sexual assault by four women and fired from the netflix show the ranch he of course was from that seventies show you would know from the red. I think is read right steven hyde. He was one of the buddies while the kids four people accusing him. He saying it's ridiculous. Of course i know laughable that women would say that. I don't know that i would be laughing right. This is good time jelly news. I roll modes are good jokes coming at me. According to a forty six page complaint masterson conspired with the controversial church of scientology to make the poor women's lives a living hell after they step forward in cooperated with police investigation master since ex girlfriend chrissy bixler and marie the a three four women were as xs or excuse me three of the four women women were in church of scientology allow ex girlfriend chrissy bixler and marie realists are named as plaintiffs in the lawsuit the two other women go by jane doe three of the women informa- church members <hes> the harassment included public stocking home surveillance hacking property vandalism vehicle pursuit identity identity theft and threats you. You've seen these scientology reports. None of this is news thomas right how when we know this much about scientology. Can we just be like yeah but the government doesn't know what to do. We know we know a jane. Doe number two claims that shortly after she made a social media post in march or gift b. i. To investigate this gave her credit card was stolen used to deliver four thousand dollars worth of merchandise from victoria secret and vitamins supply that was andrew allan. This is beyond ridiculous nicholas and masterson. I'm not going to fight my ex-girlfriend in the media like she's been bathing me to do. That's exactly what he's doing his minimizing it. I just just turned four people to one person. I don't like being tricked danny guilty this four people not one ex. I will beat her in court. I look forward to it because the the public will finally be able to learn the truth and see how i've been railroaded by this woman. I will beat her in court and wants. Her lawsuit is thrown out. I intend to sue her and others who jumped on the bandwagon for for the damage they caused me and my family. This is the hard part because women are getting countersued four suing p for just accusing people of rape and that's really hard because a lot the times you can't prove that you were raped and being countersuit and you're a lot of money up by the way going back just a little bit another sierra video for a moment like a boy so if you're not the first one like a boy she's like what if i was a boy and i'm like i don't have to. He's a lot of imagination here thank you. That's very good dog stroll on the video or no good eldred nope. It's so good. She plays a boy and the girl in this video and i'm attracted to the boy. Oh i may have seen this. It sounds familiar so good beyond stated on the same thing sierra. Did i saw <hes> aldo. Don't be mad at me for saying anything about beyond say. I will see him. That kind of conversation couldn't have a dangerous dinner. Take okay all right. Here's a new email from my dad. I'll tell you how you can download the entire series of the dead emails all right so the very last thing i wrote him this. Is you writing the very last thing he i wrote. Him was uneven oxen. I just read it now. I'm just rating shit it. I don't even need it to make sense. Let's see where it goes he. He brought this up one time saying about me and hamda. How are we going to make it work. Yes he did just literally early visit us. He saw that we were in love and happy but hand is jewish and when one person believes in christ jesus the true god and we all know and you you definitely and one is jewish well that's uneven oxen and it's from this passage in the bible that says how can you move a cart if your ox aren't the same side honestly is it because i i think he's making up an entire bible. A dog and a mouse can love each other but where would they plant their seats. Oh my god so my so i wrote uneven oxen just to see where it how's he can't raise fast enough yes but is that all three so he's alluding to the three past relationships nations ships in those about me and me and my ex wife catherine and me and kyle my girlfriend now and so are you saying uneven occidental three of these relationships. You know what's funny. I speak that yeah what's funny is you've written paragraphs describing answering whatever it is in full response to what he said and and he has come back with. I don't know what you could mean by that but even oxen who knows son our talk well. It's funny when they played them. We've been saying this entire series that <hes> you know. I don't know what you're talking about this in the here's half a sense but when my ex-girlfriend my ex wife says i have have a crush on you he gets it right away or rather. She said i have a crush on somebody he get. He knows it's me. That's me and i get it. There's no question then so these people know didn't she say a man of the lord yeah man of the cloth say prese quickly so it could be literally anyone oh snuff search could be anybody that wears cloth and that's the thing that you want to you know put no doubt right yeah. That's the thing that you want to take chances on so yes uneven auction short at the at the those are the words sun but three if so look for god fearing one god fearing let a woman sharing one definitely definitely look for fear in their eyes who will pull you i in her life and you put her i in your life even though i married fifty one years sneaking these emails buying your mom's back downstairs there's often between them. You have immense talent my son. He always comes at you with that. You do you just need to channel it in a direction. That might be more pleasing to your savior. Vulgarity does not make you sound like the person that you are see this is this is him hearing the show once in a blue moon but this is again like this is not what you guys are talking about it all and this is the thing that i was taught like you throw emotion at it. So nobody said vulgarities. Nobody said anything like offensive really everyone's just having a normal conversation and he goes wish i can talk to you but all your will garrity and it's like i think that's what we're doing. Yeah fucking shit vulgarity does not make you sound like a great person that you are in using god's name appropriately could prove to be a fast track back to haiti's oh my god now that yeah exactly this god pulley down there with hitler mussolini chris because i didn't think it so bad to say at jesus i still naito oh fuck right if i didn't believe in jesus christ that is the same as gypsy we go to the same place if that if you can wrap your mind around that well there must be so much room in hell and so little in heaven began them making weird decisions there. There's a i read the bible. There's not different. Hells jeffrey epstein held in a me said god. Damn it like a turn of phrase. Is there more don't get intimate before now. My dad again met my current girlfriend right. No she has that. It's indeed that she has three kids hits. Don't get intimate before you know the person for at least a year. I'll try to break that. Too and marriage is truly on the very near horizon at the soonest ernest. God bless you hell yes he will and that's a that's it so here's what we're going to do. Hopefully beginning up next week. You can go to keith and the girl dot com slash dad and you'll have easy downloadable file. You can get all the emails that we've been doing back back. I said god bless you. Sorry i just i'm afraid to go to haiti's eighties keeping the girl dot com slash dad. It's all gonna be there you asked for it. You got it. The put it together there. You have it all right well. I my saying how many ex just got engaged to to a woman that she's been seeing for quite some time. I met her lovely. <hes> i'm thinking do i have my ex. Send the engagement picture to my dad and so you don't glenn actually i'm just gonna marry a chick. Take care schlock by <hes>. 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The Value and Importance of Your Reputation

Women Worldwide

43:31 min | 1 year ago

The Value and Importance of Your Reputation

"You're listening to episode two hundred thirty two of women worldwide hellish. Do you think about reputation today and how much value and importance jew place on credibility building trust and the way your brand is perceived by the public. I've got a guest today who has a lot to share on this topic so stay tuned to learn more hi. I'm deirdre breckenridge. I've spent an entire career helping women and to share stories nurture relationships were of their brands but most of all to find their voices so they can make a difference. Do you feel stuck. Did you want to power up your own voice. Women worldwide features stories of passionate women who have navigated big career challenges and some of the toughest changes changes these professionals offer deep insights and advice to inspire you and to help you uncover. What's holding you back. We win worldwide mighty name your passion suv you can excel in life. I everyone welcome to another episode of women worldwide. Thank you for tuning into the show now. If you're watching us on youtube i'm in a different setting. I'm not in my women worldwide office setting and actually in new york city beautiful new york unbelievable energy here when worldwide travels with me because the show must go on as they say i really appreciate you tuning in showing up every week in amplifying stories of our mazing guests so let's get to today's the topic and special guest the topic is reputation the value and importance of reputation and when i step back and think about reputation today who isn't whether you are the global oval leader of a corporation whether you're a leader of a non profit if you're in government or your politician or maybe you're an entrepreneur. You're building your business reputation matters. <hes> we have so many different communication touch points social media can tear hair down your reputation in a matter of minutes so i've got a guest who has a lot to say on the topic joining me on the show is sandra cloud. She is the founder founder of eco research and someone who has spent a good number of her years. As an international researcher training leaders <music> on the value and importance of reputation sandra her company does market research and she also in her experience really focuses on reputation analysis and evaluation. She's recognized as one of the top one hundred in public relations and she's also served on different boards including the institute for public relations. She's also been on the board of the arthur w page society and international business leaders forum council so i could go on and on about sandra but it's better. She shares her journey and all of over insights with you so sandra welcome. It's great to have you on my show. Thank you g pleasure to be here in new york. I'm in the u._k. But railway together which is bas- i i know and you know we did meet new york just a little while back which is fantastic and it's it's so wonderful that we can be doing this show in urine a completely different parts the of the world so thank you for that sandra in the introduction. I mentioned international research in all the work that you're doing around reputation. Maybe just share with listeners how you got started on this career path. Why deep interest in in reputation thank you <hes>. I suppose that's with a lot of people who eventually find that career. Maybe the first jobs where they eventually ended up that was very much. My story <music> is star shaped waves achie- in communications is editor indications for management consultancy in management consultants doing phenomenally anywhere in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s and as head of communications. They always wanted to be in the front cover the financial times street journal economists. I remember saying to them. Why why do we won't profile. Are we really thinking about china's contention so and then they said no no no no just keep giving his profile <hes> we're doing so well and and we did a lot of interesting things opened up north who sectors of north a lot of new approaches to managing business such as most as total quality not management they checked out in brand new the united nations so we were doing things like never standing back and saying what how is this landing what <unk> having on on our stakeholders community and i remember saying to the patents and they were all men i was. I was a little girl in p._r. To a certain extent sometimes felt they suffered me and as long as they kept bringing in in a great coverage in economist gentlemen have teammate in they were happy and and i said could i possibly told you find in former times. He's our prospects and see what they think about us. Sector editors turn our offerings and they sort of almost had to be on the head and said oh she go we were doing we were doing well and it was it was a wasn't the eighty sarah budgets were issues. You know it wasn't a burning platform. It was just saying well you will do this. We believe in you. You're doing well do it so i did <hes> with a really great team of researchers and we spoke to our clients and former clients and prospects. It was about mckenzie in p._a. And g._m. Idioms lloyd know all the major major industry and i came back on the first slide shared with them was a quote from one of our clients saying i'm leaving p._a. A join tour with a another because p._a. Doesn't do this particular. Services is really important to me and i put that one side and the a whole wardrobe series team male very senior very bright's patents all went quiet and they sort of looked at each other and i said right right. Can we now talk about coming out. Talk about the things that message to to our community because we do these things fades but was simply. You're not talking about and that was really a how moment for me to say gosh. This is really powerful. That's up call. I can only imagine the faces he says of all of those professionals and you know they felt gosh one. This hurts to it isn't fair. <hes> three were better than this for. How do we fix it and as i said for my side it was the the value of listening value listening really objectively of lee in very unbiased open way and rehearing where people are coming from that measures to us. How do we how do we have. We we get this right so that's where i moved from. Being <hes> a senior leader in tune kitchens to someone on the research scientists say well. How how do we help others. Maybe before they lose their major clients maybe before they fall success for the crisis has been simmering for some time but they chose not to address it to make some of these things lisa. How can we anticipate what's around the corner and that she was good listening right digital listening right the way through to interviews. There's all sorts of ways one. I can do this to say we're not she. How do we really help. Organizations be better be best and a lot of times <unk> are doing amazing things but they don't talk about where we don't talk about too. I fell in love with the search and when you something it's it's easy to work in it so fully in love with research because <hes> it kind of implies that you have to put your math brain hat on so. Do you feel that you had a lot of schooling in the the area of math. I know that on the show we talk about stem careers. Is that something that you focused on as part of your learning morning and that you were good at maybe speak to what you need to know on the research side no it was it was helpful. I did my did my communications degree. Great in canada at a women's university university in non in halifax not never have before never being willing to but we were the guinea pig in that went through there what was then the p._r. Program the bachelor program a nature. Everything has a su- ego statistics. We got economics. We got accounting legal marketing radio into us weekly. We got everything journalism so everything was thrown into this <unk> which i love because you're getting it from all directions. You're getting getting the storytelling and hausa tolkien house engage right the way through to how do you actually hunt as evidence wants to support us and do it in a way. That's very sound so you're the legal curb illegal studies that we did. I love while because of the logic of that nasty but the the biggest that ties together it's it was actually it was a wonderful four year program. I love my studies and love to be able to buy but i found coming onto the research side. I just harnessed all that because i didn't joy i mean i was. I was a little bitty. I enjoyed statistics. I love that <hes> in addition to language and the you know the history of the writing in english and everything that goes without sue they bring salt useful to have a sense of numbers and be a mathematical genius and a lot of people hate statistics part of what we try and do is demystify should <unk> david if if the fear of numbers that she's single what stories telling us not is going up by not point five percent but actually does dismantle this this impact your relationship in some shape or form. It's let's unpicks so really it's the narrative behind. The numbers understand what the numbers are how you get but really the strength of reading the research insiders is the narrative motors this week absolutely so sandra back in the eighties when all of these male executives were looking at you like really. I can't believe this is it. I mean i'm sure today. More leaders understand that. Had you wanna be doing this research. Are you finding that companies are coming to you to listen and to tune in <hes> before they're on the edge of crisis or before. The crisis has actually occurred yeah. I think i've had an arc about thirty not <unk> business and thinking about where i started where we are now in the conversations. I'm having the conversations are different. Bay are much more senior. The religious leaders now connected where as before and it was well you know is appear. Waking that may be immaterial but more concerned about my advertising here now. It's more orcas to single. What am i missing. How can i make sure that on one hand. I pass the bathroom in better shape than when i came into this organization ramirez there there is a sense that you know among the best use they want her best job and leave it in a better condition that shape <hes> so you go back one hand right through to how do anticipate what's around the corner. There's so much transformation so change things happening at such a pace that your professional judgment yeah and your instinct what was right five ten years ago even five years ago is now known on preventive because it's moving so quickly so now getting we are genuinely getting bored saying saying help us understand one how others how was seen in tennessee ultras huge. Everyone knows you. L. treats breakfast. You rabid strategy for breakfast over time so it it's it's a there's an appetite wears even ten years ago you know things like culture seems like a stay coldest oldest insight. Even listening wasn't necessarily high on the agenda prediction right. Yes all priorities now. Let's talk a little bit about social social media so maybe just give your thoughts on how social media plays into reputation management and what these brands are struggling with this brand's yeah. I you know social. Media is <hes> and i like to call it the union the yang of social media on the on the one hand. There's this extraordinary jordan <unk> facility here. You are in new york. I'm in the u._k. I'm sitting in front of you. You're having a cup of tea together. It's wonderful <hes> you know that what is the value of social media and hopefully we connecting to new friends out of the world so there's a wonderful power there that we never had before <hes> and and using social ticketing are will listen to seeing where the concessions when the concerns playing what's happening what's happening consensual chemicals with these do things in a way behind it. What are some of the stations that's really powerful and he becomes accessible and not horribly expensive you now. You couldn't be doing this twenty years ago. Exactly yes you're right and he did his duty here. We could have done something in it would have been expensive. We could have done it with home and thousands of dollars later done sneaky and time to edit miller in a few people that bring them so there. Is this wonderful thing about social media. That's connecting and then there's the downside but he's very scary dark side so she megan. She's you know who the fake news misinformation the artificial wells rose <unk> full dictation as i said you know that i think hurt individuals and organizations indifferent so you have to say this the <unk> daughter and an understanding how to approach it and i think <hes> there was a lovely especially the oughta go how most leaders others needs i terrified social media and i don't know why they do it why they need to be involved. How they all all that you can't come and then someone's enjoys organization if they're under the age of twenty two is immediately put into the digital space is food native after that gap inside which was i think so wise was all the fifteen six-year-olds takers who be hugely experienced in customer service and good listening to customers in constant stone. They're the ones nudity put onto the social media side because there's so much more genuine a knowledgeable <hes> and they know how to respond to you know to sometimes very difficult situations right organic probably will struggle with has the know how technology but doesn't necessarily have the bandwidth for the fifty six zero right and you can change on this tools but it just is a really interesting thing to say we kind of need to rethink how we approach and when to engage engage what is appropriate right. I think it's very important exactly i know i understand what you mean about. There's so many young professionals who so uh-huh savvy with technology and you have other folks in the corporation where the business that had the business acumen and really they have a a strength with customer service and they understand the how the business runs in the the value of reputation humor to bring that together. It's so much stronger and we're working on it. I mean there's definitely work to be done but i do think that when it comes to social the media the ability for leaders in you talked about the fifth year the sixteen year olds to if they are not on social the media themselves to at least empower others to be on social media because building your community the relationships you ford. That's that's the difference between community coming to stand up for you and community when you're in a crisis or you're facing reputational issues that might be listening into some of the misinformation or the fake news so building those relationships and i'm still all for in person relationships and ships online relationships social media relationships too in those communities and as you say just having the right voice and having them of of of the associates across the organization so powerful so i think it's starting to get they still uncomfortable with it and when when he was speaking up for you he's being up the organization when do those to blur rain high was escorting incidents swear that the sports science said something that hasn't been well received in shoe. They get sucked and they get you. Let's say well if empowering people give them on the sidelines headlines. Yes there's you on the innovative. Official twitter feed arlington major. Whatever it is the you that surprising to you which is words and to a certain extent. If you have raised beliefs that's fine on your pilots milk in the culprit session in how to manage that responsibly note is not a question muslim but his question being responsible yeah and and i think respectful oh definitely really really good points i wanted to mention within the organization which it's made me think of a building your own sort of credibility and being a leader and i thought maybe in the spirit of women worldwide and women. Maybe we just touch on how women can build their reputation among their peers or as a leader in a company. It's really interesting island with a with an anecdote. I remember <hes> the mckinsey women leaders forum in in london and i remember we have session where they said name your most powerful female mentor and they auspice of love videos in front of them and we'll have mentors. We'll have meant is growing up when you then say you're seen him that made people stop and challenge use them to say gosh who who who helped me as another woman and a lot of people's struggled a bat and those as you were blessed to have really strong other when needed help us from way we were then identifies tweeden to find the traits they weren't with it. I may want shout he when they went loud woman they weren't already assertive or aggressive women. They all had their own personality their own approached and certainly the woman i was thinking of extremely extremely softly spoken but so powerful than to the left you know and i think that will think about leadership is ultimately really being yourself but even what yes you believe. There's an always say this to my children. You're stronger than you think you want and i think that's true for all of us. There's always that little voice that should precinct eventually you know she believed yourself. We i think we will have leagues and i think it's giving us. Oh wait. We don't have to be shouted to be men and we can be very strong. That's so true and be yourself is leaving in yourself is so powerful i remember being a young professional aw and going to networking event and a woman was speaking about how we should enter the boardroom and kind of be like men and never never never take anything that looks like a purse into the boardroom because they will look at you differently back then i thought to myself if they're not gonna liking likeness is it because of my purse could just have to be myself but it was sort of challenging because i was you yeah no. It was a different time in a different way of thinking but now i really feel like you can be yourself if you can be softspoken but you can be strong you can balance and that's the best way to be not like anybody else but just what's inside of you so i agree with you now. Dan different the too much lending in is then. You don't stand out a different. Bring that orange handbag. We know like just go get an orange handbag sandra. I'm going to ask you to hold your thoughts just for what we're going to shift our focus to our sponsor of today's episode which is rutledge publishing ann rutledge publishing is one of the leading academic publishers assures in the world publishing text books and academic journals. They also happen to be the publisher of my book by latest book answers for modern communicators. I wish i had a copy of the book to show but i left that in my other office because they usually show the book but sandra. I thought it would be a lot aww fun if you could answer a question from my book because i answer over a hundred and fifty questions that people around the world have been asking me over the years about petition building relationships socializing your brand mentoring so i picked a question out of the reputation chapter for you re ready. Yes okay so your question one twenty two which is what does it mean to to be true to your meetings. Christian and i wish i had your book confronted makers. They say to your onset sicne in the world that i mean a lot of the discussions we have is around purpose to think about the purpose of the organization and it when we're hearing a lot of calls for gracious c._e._o. Activism greasier involvement in the issues of the day and so on always i always say well look at this through the prism of the purpose. Does it make sense to prison is a lens does does this make sense for you to come through that way and i think in colossians things around. Reputation is the coherence how consistent as hearing tar you you know across a crossover cases is no good saying our products every hair grain but are over here early. That's just that doesn't help and eventually you will be found in at distance. Whoa whoa whoa whoa will make you stuck and i think it said issue the coherence consistency in in relationships through your purpose. This is actually how brands stay trips themselves and it's hard. It sounds really easy but it's hard. It says we take a decision not to or just stop things or perhaps not engage on that particular. She doesn't make sense given this prison that we are committed to excellent in answer. Thank you for answering that question. You answer it. I'm i said be true to yourself is about being yourself so i answered it from on the professional executive side and i think even share story about a previous role that i played. We're the the company really wanted me to look a certain way and dress a certain way and put on certain makeup and it didn't feel like me and it was almost the devil wears prada moment. We're if you saw the movie with anne hathaway. I threw my phone into the fountain said that's is it. I left that role and i just found myself and was true to my own purpose and who i really was and it did it was about an every every touch point be who you are and its consistency in how you show up in the relationships that you build so thank you for asking and begging getting rutland for sponsoring this episode of women worldwide okay sandra <unk>. I've back in to our discussion. I would love to chat a little bit about you as an entrepreneur because you know being working with corporations playing a role and then building your own company is very different. So what do you think it takes to be an entrepreneur today. I think belief belief safe believe in yourself belief <unk> doing believe that it will make a difference. I think that you gotta start without its consciously. I'm gonna guess so. I wanna podcast this because it's a long run goes through you know copies. No salary not quite sure how this comes through in you know in the bank says zubi another business john. I'm going on that. She would do business of his belief carries. You student needs to because they're the times crime rates tough one of the most important things and this is where i've personally wants is i'm in partnership with my husband and he's behind behind you beside me and buying me to say right i was with him is his career to golf. He was allegedly behind me as minded he never and and i i think when you have less tonight in someone else believing in you and knowing that there was a safety net a dozen feel like i was being particularly brave. I just felt i was being reading. I am i am i was recognized such <hes> but you need the leads to carry you through those days in those viewed as those do. I have enough money asia by the next paper days still sticking out some envelopes but it's you know when you believe it. It's it's not the money that you get paid as aids aids none of gosh. She's saying i know this. I know this house saturday so anything with entrepreneurs i think it's having cutting that belief and having that radio and also to sickness in having the is open it will they will be difficult times and and be able you to manage your expectation kushner. I suppose you're anticipation that why hasn't it turned around and i mean months to where we could be like that two years before it says are you prepared for about were patients in perseverance. Definitely i mean for entrepreneurs. I know myself it's always i wish that was yesterday but just the passion keeps me going forward and also feeling like a making a difference no when you believe in yourself herself and you believe in what you're doing you see things changing around you in at that feels so good but there are hard times and do you also surround yourself with a certain type of professional or people who you mentioned your husband who is a true supporter order. It's wonderful that you stand by each other through your career but what about on your network or inner circle how you build that anyone someone who is a among their friends eventually become friends from their other children's friends my door genuine money. Just get your friends. Where'd you because the network my close friends at. They are the parents of your of my children's friends but when i look at them they all own tour's over interesting yeah. It just like whoa gosh none of them. I think one has what i recall appropriate nine to five job inner city but all the are self starters round their businesses amazing things and it's just it's just how that that's come true so it's no by design but it's it's how how that happens. Yeah that's great. I mean the conversations. I'm sure that there's conversations around family and children as as they grow but having people who were entrepreneurs and understand about building a business that so helpful because insights are just naturally shared appeared and advice and it's how they remember take your phone call down i was skiing with friends was just a very difficult. I had to take a coach and they fully understood mr this against you need to make this cool will be fine. We'll wait through the boston. Anyone else would have been screaming at me. Get the phone way an mitch tangent but they all get together moments. You have to do things like that nursing. He divorced me as a friend. I i just remember yeah. You just brought back a memory. I was on the ferry going over to block island so we always stayed at my parents home in rhode island and we take the ferry over to block island and go bike riding entire family and i had a corporate client and they had a reputation issue something was going on and i was on the ferry on the phone own. It was loud. I couldn't hear their family around me and i remember my family was angry and they wanted me to get off the phone no entrepreneurs in in my family or at least then at the time there were so i can relate to that having people around you who understand that helps doesn't because you little bit more bandwidth again. Yes yes definitely so what is something <hes> <hes> when you look back over your career and how you've grown now as an entrepreneur new founded eco research. Is there anything that stands out. Were you saying to yourself wow. I never knew i could do that your i'm so i'm glad that i did this. What what really stands out to you during your journey that surprises you in in in hindsight. It looks like what i've done makes a lot of sense at the time. It was like you know how does how does this come together leaving. You can one thing to do something else if i'm not staying with mom changing. It didn't seem to make sense but she when i look back on it. It's been great experience great learnings. Thank you know even if it difficult terms is taking that silva powder even for that silver lining around and making the most of it and seeing seeing how this connects and if i were buckling thinking i took things from every experienced i went to and i'm betcha forces things now and i think that's important to just say especially for those who are in things aren't quite right either reasons for that and as they come through them back and say well at least this either. I don't want to put up with something like that again. I'm going to change that or the change the way i want to work on the road towards this but coming out with a learning that you can then apply. I think it's huge so as i say my my i don't know some people china korea among full operation about i think my happened to me but i happen into the idea which is which is very fortunate but as i say it just taking learnings at every step of the way that's great yeah. It's always what you do from the experience for instance <hes> good bad or indifferent. Do you have any. Is there anything. That was one of those moments for you. You were like hi. This is the big you know tiffany or even if it was a learning moment felt really uncomfortable. That's made you move forward that you wanna share. Does anything stand out there that might help listeners because they face challenges all of the time we'll do. I eats and there's all sorts of little things that you say. Can you embrace it and have it become pushes. You and i have friends <hes> he's to direct his age he and he listening to him when he would talk to his teams. I would be bringing. I mean how how h._p. Was seen so i was always i always had the interesting things in terms of the eye candy perspectives and this that and the other but he would always start off his he's measles by say you know neko promise keepers promise and this issue of of once you say to people what you commit to is so important and five taken that on very strongly particularly obviously with clients giants because he wouldn't be in business so she didn't make it deliver new commitments but i think taking internally with your colleagues in your associates if you make a promise former to them and and you're going to stand by them and you're going to support them and mentor them stepney other or lured them however whatever that i chris may be you have to keep up promise particulatly internally and i've really learned that because i've watched other situations with other people they've made promises lightly to people and they went yeah that was that mrs now so we're tearing out on that trust and something some some of that due the hurry night when that happens and i think that to me has been you know it's such a simple thing and we will do imperfectly more senior female. You make a promise. You keep the promise you deliver on that. Promise is so important and i think particularly internally undertake with with young people because it's so easy to disillusion them. You know on sale. Yes so do the new year performance review tomorrow detoro coming watch. I'm busy. We'll we'll do six weeks time. You've destroyed that in the meantime and you can see that working racers so i think this issue of of really a i am too missing to your words i think as a human being i think is very important. That's a great point. I often even take that internally internally to myself. If you make a promise to yourself that you're going to do something you should follow through because however whatever you're or doing whatever discipline you have whoever you conduct yourself that is in extension outward to how you treat others like they they say if you don't love yourself how you love others i kind of feel the same way about the promise if you're not true to yourself. How do you be true to others. I so it's very interesting especially <hes> i do find that with young professionals how much they look look up to their role models and their mentors and how meaningful words can be so meaningful and actions more powerful so we really have to stick with our promises mrs. They're definitely so sandra. What tom i guess you know with everything that you're doing and and all the experiences that you've had in ways that you're training others. How are you keeping up to date with your research. Your knowledge staying up with the trans. I know there's a lot of information out there but are there any particular resources that you rely on. I and there's something called the page society <hes> and it's for six years the chief occasions officers from around the world and invade do and all about sharing experiences sharing best practice developing new ships owner being on the board for seven years. Am i have have learned so much. We've some of the top to the fortune sears of u._s. Pronounce words well <hes> and being part of that community listen and isn't it isn't just receiving the information of being active right. Something be positive it so again i've had in all these organizations are hungry for volunteers in hungary. I suppose salem reading active with page also activities something colds aid internet scorer for integrated reporting council which is about how the intangibles come together to save a lot. She this is where the value of the organization now the report is meaningful for the financial markets as well this takeovers and listening to those conversations take listening to the language that leads us to say we're not she. How can how can you articulate something. That change probably what they were already simpson you using their words again. Being positive that kind of discussion part of this for i find in my world is very important is that she wear wear on the leaders negations whale way on the best minds thinkers around measuring tangible where they earn whatever it is <hes> so being active in those kind of foreign breath away to reading as much as i can as i say the mckinsey quarterly is they're not there to was twice twice a day. Italy's elise missing <unk> <unk> things that don't really touching their things. You can relax you there some very useful things. Everyone is so i do read a lot. The economists street journal. I i read it lost me. Syria paunchy <unk> here where other people are coming from little civil language that they use that we can resonate with excellent out of <hes> associations and societies. Do you recommend that younger professionals slows get involved with their industry associations in that they look to these groups for for learning and go to the conferences network. I yes and i i would. I would qualify that because i think there are a lot of different types of buddies realizations. I think right good quality wants absolute a great opportunity to learn the fbi involved. You know put your hand up. I think that's that's that's the betting on that one is volunteer <hes> and then you end up with an extraordinary community of friends and colleagues associates that you never would've had if you hadn't put yourself on and that she really wanted to do something right enroll models to a great way if finding find a role model in connect how do you how do you manage all of this. So you're up to date your career. You're doing your international research search or training leaders however you kind of managing time i know identity. I have a problem. The i have a problem on building new turns out of people would say that a lot of parents say that you know betray you being a parent burning accompanied doing things as well is answering. I haven't jim <unk> that she. How do i know that's wrong and that goes back to make a promise. Keep it promises how'd you how'd you building that you time as opposed to this is really. I need to try the people time the hands up do that let side so working on it. Jason thought dumb hundred three road. I think she was a georgian. A national who ran the massey she was one hundred and scream and she's my new role model unrivalled. The ball walked the last left at my she's out. She's running complementaries your next target. That's next hung aw that that is truly amazing. Sandra were actually at the part of the show where you get to offer advice to women worldwide listeners so want to tell all of the listeners in viewers out there about reputation management and staying true to their brand with a similar which josh i think in it was still they were still unpicking worked giants to hang here and knows alternate kate reputation insurance things that keep talking they keep us loyal that because fine support endorsed all sorts of things so this is an area that is actually bring grandcamp <unk> or because we've got a very moise world day on getting cut through people can trust and believe in moisy waist misinformation. Disinformation is just getting this. I think this is this is this is a big thing at a corporate environment organization founded. It's true for developments. That is where you come down to individual at the individual level you know about his reputation to be managed as what how or do you having deep <unk> manage their own their own meditation around banding choose themselves things it matches the making sure they go to the gym once a month if that's important important <unk> delivering on that just dealing in that that brings magic to come but also the things that i'd consist around ladysmith miami's excellent thank you for all of your advice last question super easy. Where can people find out more about you and eco research. Thank dante on <unk>. Research dot com rades <unk> case studies. I believe in a lot of sharing if things if you instigated. We've got thirty years of experience. We haven't done <unk> very happy to share and community. Thank you did see this as you thank you. It was so great to chat with. You really appreciate you coming on the show. Share your advice in all of your insights. I hope everybody out there. <hes> walks away understanding the value importance of reputation and work that you're doing so thank you sandra and thank thank you to all of you for tuning into women worldwide you just want to say he's sharing the feedback. We love hearing from you. You're tweeting us your posting on facebook. I please also rate us on itunes. If you get a moment and subscribe to the youtube channel you can also go go to women worldwide show dot com sign up for updates love hearing so keep the feedback coming. Okay everybody until our next episode. Stay focused energized and feeling empowered thank you.

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Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 235 Live - Nick Wright & Arianna "Diamond" Reardon

Mark Bell's Power Project

1:50:30 hr | 1 year ago

Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 235 Live - Nick Wright & Arianna "Diamond" Reardon

"I just graduated oh. My god made a big time. Are we goin' almost joe rogan countdown. These little like tighter they might be maxed out your bottom. You needed a big fat. Head russia's a set ever. I work kids hats. We're at that problem. We're going. We're going one and we're live. We're we're on with nick right and his girlfriend ariana yes. That is me arianna arianna. How'd you guys meet. Let's get to that well we they actually met eight years ago. We've known each other for eight years. I've seen you guys around for trade shows instead right yeah and we met <hes>. There's this place in rhode island. It's like a little island thirteen miles off of the coast called block island and it was the fourth of july and we were with like mutual friends we had we didn't know each other assured off. Go ahead. I'm listening and we met literally at like six a._m. On the ferry and then like i was on yeah that was like one of these once a year exactly so we ended up like just saying hi whatever introducing ourselves and then i was talking. You know someone else at the time i shouldn't have been because he was a psycho but <hes> i was just hanging out with my friends. In the nick like pulled me aside. It was like oh she needs to get into this picture. I need her to model and then we took the picture together and like we didn't really talk then he put up on facebook and he cut me out of it yeah and the game. I was so dushi 'cause i. I didn't finish that one so i was like trying to be slick and make her laugh negotiate. Negotiate a model yeah dogs. I feel like the photo of me. At the time off my triceps a great only sound like my hand painting my nails like pink at the time was just like these bright pink nails and then just like cozing sideways so we ended up keeping in touch and then we ran into each other again and then the following year we saw each other once again through mutual friends and then the year after that i was going to a birthday party ongoing ongoing thing yeah we were always like attracted to each other but in like but we were always just with other people but there was something there and then we we both were single going birthday party and i said to my friend at the time as it is anyone gonna be here that i know i didn't know whose birthday party was and he was like oh nick rate might becoming coming and he had hit me literally the night before and that like all on on vine that old video thing and i was like oh i was actually thinking of inviting him because see something like oh. You didn't invite me to this harte's. You'd vine from another party. She was at and i was like again with my charm. I was like wow thanks for the invite and then when she was like oh but you next time but she literally did and she invited me yeah party and then i didn't even know his friends at this kid again so he was going to be going anyways and then and i guess we just saw sorry tiller there was i. I was like oh come. Come on with me because we're not for two years so i was thinking who'd be slick like oh just bring her home and that's that this is the very next morning i woke up and i was like going to the beach yeah. I've never seen this kid. Sit up faster like out of bed. He just just literally like i woke up and then all of a sudden you shut up and was like was he won't go to the beach yup. Yeah i was going to the beach anyway so that's fine and then that was that was that was acute. It sounds so crazy though like when you say it out loud so funny and then from there turned born into just traveling all over the place doing crazy stuff red carpet events expos y crazy left together. Did you guys grow up in the same town like same uh well. He's he's four years older than me. So the most ironic we were never in school together but i was actually friends with his sisters because they were in the great above me so i was always friendly with them too. Yeah we were from the same area originally both from warrick city of warwick and we both moved to move it to exeter which is like a really rural tiny town she moved to west greenwich which is right next door and it's a mirror image of it is literally called exeter west greenwich so it's basically the same town <hes> yeah so what's it like dealing with all these crazy diets that he goes on and different things that he's trying to you. Just do it with him. So i- years ago i was into the the whole prep thing and then unfortunately i was gonna do a bikini competition. I got put on these hormones from this doctor this long his doctor that i've started her own right yep and just thrown okay so which i didn't need long story short so i ended up not being able to do that <hes> <hes> so at that time when i was doing it nick wasn't dieting as well so it was good because he was really helpful because he'd gone through the whole process before and whatnot and then then eventually i just kind of try out like i really got into martial arts and then the whole professional wrestling aspects that i really wanted to go into anyways so he didn't his first diet was in. What was it two thousand fifteen together while we're together fifteen and it's crazy to see now how far he's come since then because during that dia he would just did not want to see me like he like. I'd be like oh. I'm gonna come sleep over his now. Don't bother other little out of context he would feel bad. He wasn't like horrible classic. That's a cliche <hes> good test prep grouchy vision so that was a little like i feel that scarred me 'cause i always took no and then he did a up diet in two thousand eighteen for his photo shoe and that was actually fine he seemed to gain a little more balance and then this actual bodybuilding being pro for me was really gratifying because he's always supported me in every single thing that i've done and i felt like i could finally return that support fully back to him so it was actually a lot of fun being with him. There were times where it was tough and i had low taste too but overall it was a it was actually a really really fun experience with the food and stuff not really. I mean he would talk to me. The hardest thing is like i'm all about balance. I really don't i. I think i eat in moderation. I'm not like i don't count calories. I just personally for myself. Don't believe in counting calories. <hes> so i had like my own things i was eating and then there would be times when he'd be like if i come home after doing the stairmaster. Please don't have a cookie in front of me so i'd be like okay i wouldn't. I wouldn't and his food like i would try to offer to make it but he there were certain things that he was really particular with. I mean if he was coming home from the gym and i was already home and he's like can you get this out. Then i totally helping kokomo she helped me a lot with filming and stuff yeah off mosul pride off the deal with i should like dry shoot ride to the gym with me like twelve at night to get like physique update for the video or something you guys lift together. Sometimes we do yeah. I'm actually not fully lifting right now. I was raring to by drunk driver. Wow two years ago august. August fifth was two years. I go to work so i had shoulder surgery because of it and my neck is still pretty messed up unfortunately unfortunately but he nicks actually been very helpful in helping me get my strength back which in turn we hope will strengthen my neck back up so we we'll go to the gym and all i we'll help him film with whatever he needs and then i usually do my own cardio and then he helped me with the shoulder exercise and whatnot but we're not fully until like integrated traded lifters together that she did a lot of like the martial arts and wrestling without joining so we'd always usually up her own thing but we definitely hit the gym together even if she does something different than what i do. We're kind of martial arts. Was it yeah so when i was in eighth grade. I actually did you jitsu sick and then my dad is a second degree black belt in just for the record ladies. Whenever girl has just just makes him hotter. Whenever girl does a dead lift banter squat kind of same thing you right if it just ups your value so gopher accurate i feel like in that. My dad is a secondary blackout when kemp legit so. I don't know if you've ever heard of nick cereal. He's i don't know if he was bigger on the east coast. He actually created that whole art and so my dad got his training from him so my dad would actually teach me privately a couple of years ago so that was really fun too but i've always always liked knicks. I don't know how you would describe you because i'm really girly like i love pink but i've always loved like combat. That sports is that makes nick cereal yeah. Has it ever been a point where you're like. I gotta pull this shit out on nick because he's pissing me off. No absolutely told me like you can't go beating up. People like you know tough. People like people who are genuinely tough. Don't feel the need to prove themselves. One one time we were trying to pose her picture and i was getting like a rear naked. Choke all mike trevor this. I think i'd i'd it came to the music. Come on and then one valentine's day. We had a in me onto the beds. That was fun. Good choke slim. That was the picture. We took me out of now. That was that was that was seven years ago. That was when we were still just friends. Quote unquote friends yeah. That was the party we met at. It's great. There's a you got it documented through videos. It is really not crazy experience together with them like she's been with me through all my staff business sponsors travel out in and out of the country. It's been nuts. Is that the first this video you fill me in. I think so do you end up <hes> helping some of this stuff and i said he he held the camera sometimes do you <hes> does she help with the appointment men or anything other than the camera yeah pretty much anything i just want her to help with and like my big thing in a relationship is never like loosed boost track of the fact that it's your partner and it's like they're doing you a favor so i never get demanding with always ask politely but yeah she's also. She'll help me out with filming right with me to the gyms to help like like man the camera and stuff for like a very specific video project. I don't have to do that with every video every day but there's like a specific than we want filmed and then like yeah even with appointments stuff like data show. I'll she's been amazing with that. Even with things like my camera broke the other day and i was already like under a lot of stress on the military's honest you've gotta be kidding me as like after all these expensive is when i play got this now too and she like surprise me and went and bought me one like immediately. I was about to go order on amazon before i can even if she wouldn't surprise me kim like that but she'll she'll handle like phone calls awesome scheduling formulaic sometimes too and she knows i can be a meathead with that stuff. You guys ever get sick of each other. I think kind of worked together lift together yeah yeah we. We really vibe well together. I think the biggest thing for us. I mean just what i've learned and i think you've learned as well is the fact that when you're dating someone it's good to have like similar interests so both of us are very creative people by nature but our interests like i've like i've said i've i've into like martial arts and wrestling and then i have my own stuff that i'm working on and then he's always been heavily into the lifting but we both can appreciate what each what the other one does is because we've always at the end of the day it's like we'll just love the creativity of it all. If that makes any sense yeah my wife she swims so you know she'll come here and work out every every once in a while <hes> she's a we don't work out together <hes> but we run the business together and we do everything else together so it's good. She has her swimming. I have my lifting being have people here. She has people that she swims with and so there's enough of a difference right like it's still athletic endeavors. Yes a train for same thing as what i'm doing but it's a enough difference to where you know. We're not gonna kill each other. I certainly would you say <hes>. It's important to have you can have your differences like in the details like that. Ah but it's important that you guys have the same overall like lifestyle interest yeah. I think i think <hes> yeah like if she just didn't care about about like fitness at all right and that would be that would be really hard. 'cause like this diet stuff. I do stupid so she would be like frustrated with it to like if i'm fasting fasting or whatever she just kind of like okay well you just fasting. It's just what you do and probably i mean how are you guys even downside little stuff like for example like her and i are both into the same like even decor and how styles and location types like it wouldn't work if i was into like really sleek modern high rises in the city and she was like rustic cabins yes aso for that i mean i don't care so i let my wife pick kind of like whatever you know and <hes> i mean i can be particular about certain things that it's more like more more attached like the gym or bright ranting of something or whatever but when it comes to like <hes> any of the houses our cars or whatever i i'm not always super particular healer with that is kind of let her pick in fact a lot of times. Don't even see the house that we bought wherever you go. Check it out. Let me know how it is if you think it's good that i'm good with that. Oh man awesome. Did you ever have a mindset. I'm curious. Let like 'cause. I remember when i was younger. I was obviously i'll super benefits. I gotta find someone who's super into fitness this point. I don't like a girlfriend isn't like she cares about her health. Just like like you know you care about your health but you're not as deep into lifting issues. Was that ever something that was like a requirement for. You know not really only very very briefly. Did the idea even come up <hes> <hes> i don't. I don't know why because you would think that would be the way to think but for whatever reason i just never let the to cross over like i was in a fitness. It was all about myself. Cares finish is want her to look at least like she was in the fitness. You know look good. There was a brief moment like <hes> probably one of them like virginia with my cousin isn't before before they had her. We're sick of dayton like the same type of girls they just did not work out or just not motivated and nothing and <hes> i was thinking like oh. Maybe maybe like a fitness. Check would be good but pretty quickly. Follow from that idea too because i just figured like two people who are narcissistic -ly dieting are just gonna clash like it's like uh-huh so no no. I never thought about that. It's just ended up working with her. Just like mark said it's like the overall seem of the healthy and active lifestyles there and then just painted in two different colors. Yes sometimes too. If it's <hes> you you don't want like a groupie in the fitness industry and you don't wanna groupie from powerlifting because then then you're just with whatever whoever's doing the best at the time seems like ra ring rats in wrestling. It's very interesting tolls professional wrestling what's going on with that so unfortunately right now. I'm not cleared to wrestle <hes> i. I loved it i was i was wrestling like six days a week. Just it was just i was so happy i was just so into it. The reason i fell in love with wrestling i didn't watch wrestling wrestling growing up. I didn't really know anything about it. I have a brother who's ten years younger than me. So when i was eighteen and he was eight he got really into wrestling and and for christmas he got a ton of the action figures and he got the <hes> xbox game. I blinked name for a second so i started playing it with him. I played the game on best by the way even if you're not a wrestling fan those wrestling video games i hate them. Mashing buttons and nothing happens the home that he won't believe so. I i was just playing with him and i'm like okay. This is fun. Pu the action figures and i actually i forgot who i have but i had a chair and i set the chair up and i sat someone down. Who's like what are you doing. You don't sit on those chairs. I was like what and he goes. You beat them with the care. This is cool. You beat someone up with a chair so then i started watching it with him because i was just intrigued and then once i really saw the mixture of athleticism as well as creativity that was when i really fell in love because to me the whole character this one's <hes> w._w._e. No mercy this one was the absolute best. One is on in sixty four year old is so oh man seok bodily your bottom to deal so much fun. I didn't i yeah this one's a little bit older than the xbox elbow common well one generation older but look how good that was for in sixty four days. Yeah that's amazing late nineties. I feel like some of the graphics now aren't that great yet. Took the elbow elbow sleeve off but it's still there. It's like but you actually you know wrestling's cool but you actually took the leap. I think a lot of people are like oh. That's awesome but would never ever ever think of like trying to do a phrase so what like what is that for you so i mean like the the mixed like i said the mixture of creativity athleticism and i just really just heavily like right then and there was like a light went off because growing up i had always wanted to be an actress interest and i just love being in front of the camera. I love public speaking. I love being creative so but as i got older as when you're a teenager you're very impressionable especially when you're like listening to your parents or your friends parents so people always like no you need to go to college. I never wanted to go to college allege. I just wanted to be an actress but everyone was like no. You need to go to college. You need to have a backup plan like you. Just can't think that you're going to be an actress like you need a degree degree so that scared me. I don't want to be walking around like broke like i need to have some success in life so i ended up going to college and then at the same time i fell in love with wrestling and i was kind of just like oh maybe after i got out of school all you know pursue it and nick and i were together at the time and and i don't remember what happened exactly but all of a sudden i was like what am i doing. I'm wasting my time like i'm literally paying for glasses that i have no intention of using using. There's no age limit. I'm going to college so it was just kind of then and then unfortunately i was still. I was twenty when i really decided that okay. I'm not doc school anymore. But my parents i go to look at wrestling schools and then my parents like all you need to do more research about this like they would kind of like put. It sounds sounds like i'm bashing my parents but <hes> they would put down like everything that i tried to do and be like well. You need to make sure that this is an order and it was just so overwhelming for me and and then finally i went to the olympia two thousand sixteen in shallow to chris bay. I don't know if he's going to listen to this. I i met him and he he had just started wrestling too. Wrestling school las vegas so that for me the way he talked to me. I was like me feel like i could actually do it cause other than now. I didn't know anyone like especially i was like. I don't know where to go. I felt so lost and then from there. I went back on. I went back on my youtube channel. I kinda just tried messaging pitching schools and then i stumbled some i was working with new had a really good friend. She was a professional wrestler and she got me in touch with him and then that was that succeeded on that's great. Would you think of it. I thought it was really cool. I don't mind is like what goes into wrestling because what you hear a lot from the outsiders including myself before i learned was that she just fake it's fake corny show wrestling like what about it but when you actually watch what they do it's insane because it is it is an extreme amount of athleticism. I mean i did boxing wrestling <hes>. I've done some juicy stuff lightly so in those wrestling practices are just as grooming if not more grueling the amount they do. It's insane any mouth athleticism and like the stuff that you are scary like you're doing backflip off a robes and you're trusting partners and is nuts you learn how to fall and <hes> cartoons to be insane but then on top of that there's a whole mental thing most people could never learn which is you need to be able to sell your personality like at you'd be able to tap into this character and act oh my god and then they need to be able to blend both awesome senate. They need to be able to be winded dying hurt and bruised while still carrying this act and selling to the fans yeah. Let's go i- film film some of these sessions for her virginal virginal sick break full yes. That's what i'm saying super athletic stuff. Oh oh my god. I haven't seen these videos and like years to me. Neither tough at where's this at this was at <hes> ex- w._m._d. Extreme wrestling alliance in west warwick rhode island so that was alan. Who's very kind of him to help. Communiqu would always come and support to get this footage and the amount of <hes> cardiovascular that takes owning people recognize that scene pain no. It's not just so tired yeah. Their reports were like we'd literally kind of have to like okay. Let's i mean there's all things you everyone learns eventually sleep from. You know doing matches and stuff which i'm sure you're familiar with. It's like okay now. You gotta slow down and read because you forget to breathe and it's like then you're like neither call like an ambulance type thing more people you wrestle in front of the worst. The breathing is it gets to be really adrenaline yeah these this was like up. I think the beginning like probably right after i first started doing good if it's acting skills mixed with like like gymnastics basically it's nuts yeah yeah and it's it's hard to remember tarp. Remember like what the hell's coming next rise. There's some kind of like sign language. You got a little bit in there. Earn the body english in kind of guy was throwing that pun trae but how did you recover so quick though shake it off. I i think the tiger steroids yeah all the trend now. I think the thing that really helped me to was the fact that i started dance when i was three so i really learned gets a damn korea exactly choreography and it helps also like remember things in my mind. It was just i. I think that was really beneficial. Not i think the general public looks at it the wrong way because the biggest insult towards that you hear is watch that fake shit just watch real fighting like emma mayor. Are you see it's two totally different. Things like it's not supposed to be real fighting. It's it's like saying why watch breaking bad because it's a fake show. It's all actors with a script or watch any movie at all. It's all it's all fake actors. That's what it is. It's acting an early as acting but it's also live performance so it's like acting like a play but makes with extreme athleticism. I think it'd be highly debatable on whether it's more entertaining to watch stone cold steve austin or bones jones yes watching stone roche looking at with fighting groundwork will will be boring as hell to some mia for sure yes. Some of 'em matches her strategic right. They got certain things just to win just to get the victory and now the lot of the fighters are trying to do a lot of what w._b._z. Does by you know yeah talking trash implement some of the stuff that we've been watching for years now yeah the psychologist either doing something right mcgregor. Yeah yes definitely yeah. The psychology is incredible. When you really get down to it. It was so interesting listing to learn. I love learning. About how bad did this hurt doing this for the flight the first week that you did it my shockingly. My neck was really really the like right here right the front. You're nak different. It's insane because <hes> because a taken the bums hitting the mat <hes> you you kind of like you're supposed to tuck your chin and every time you tuck your chin. It's like some you can't really train for you. If your neck was strong it would hurt because your head waza slammed down this the next set up like a static thing and i just and then run in the rogue state fat ass get in there. Some basics like run. The ropes actually kind of hurt painful. Doc was bruised. What is running the ropes that he gives me. That's when you run back and forth bounce off each real high ropes cape their wires big thick cable wires around the catholic legit like welts on his back. I didn't because some lighter but the kill by listening everyone would say that <hes> the other bigger guys like all again do that. How about the speaking part of all this for like the the acting part did that come naturally to you or did you have to like. I think it came actually fairly. I mean i would say it came naturally to me. <hes> i just that was my favorite part in it was funny because i came up with my character arianna diamond just like it was just like it just clicked like another light bulb went off and at first i was trying to do like queen arianna because my little brother are had always said that i was a queen though i kinda just went off that because i hate being called princess and then i came up with the whole arianna diamond character instead took her queen idea that's true and i got this whole like charlotte flare charlotte flare my idol and i got this whole my arianna diamond flawless was my as still my catchphrase with everything so but people would ask me they'd be like how did you figure that out and i was just like i don't know like i feel like i took my personality and sprinkled other bits that i wanted to add into it but for some people i guess that is the more difficult part the promos. I love that was probably my favorite part of the whole thing. Honestly did you wrestle for a while. It was almost a year before my accident so so she was already starting to travel and do show she actually literally had a maria canals from w. Lend her her linger for like one of our shows match pretty cool friend to have helping you out and stuff so yeah we've had a bunch of wrestlers come through here over the years especially <hes> and you know every time they come into town town a couple of pop in and you've always been kind of like involved a little bit in that area yeah well i wrestled for five years wrestled in ohio valley wrestling and stuff like that i couldn't remember luke hawks mentioning that yeah yeah so luke comes around all the time yeah. I love lou yeah. He's awesome great yeah wrestling. It's a it's a tough thing. You want to get back into it. I do yeah that's my goal eventually wants. I'm cleared so right now. I'm just china china. Make the best out of the situation because i had no control. How hard is that. Bennett must be really hard because you're not able to exercise as much as he used to and things like that at i i feel like it took a while to sink in because when i first half my dad was like you're done like and i was like i feel fine like 'cause the adrenaline and then slowly yeah i mean it took like probably i mean i felt felt soren. My next started hurting the following day but a lotta times. I know they say with injuries like that. It'll take a couple. A couple of weeks are like can take like eight weeks to really set in and then when i started feeling like my <hes> left hand was going numb. My neck was hurting all the time. I was getting migraines left and right then i was like oh god something's really wrong so that was definitely upsetting because i was like i didn't even do something stupid. I was was driving to work in this guy who was so irresponsible got in the car and just derailed my life completely like an instant. Everything that i worked for was gone took an uber yeah exactly exactly and i know it could have been a lot worse so i'm very grateful for that but the biggest challenge for me he was. I felt like my whole life was wrestling so once i had that i was like whoa who who am i if i don't have wrestling so i felt like i had to kind of strip back the layers of myself and figure out who i really am without using wrestling as my identity that's interesting. You said the same thing about bodybuilding yeah right yeah. That's been like a girl for both of us and we've kind of like talked about that a lot. Recently then grown together with this happened with powerlifting for a lot of people yeah you know i try to warn warn people but <hes> you know people get excited about it. They get into it and that becomes like their thing and <hes> you know i a lot of times feel like lifting thing is just like it's just part of what i do. I mean it's just it is like i do love it <hes> but you know i'm i'm detached from it. Nowadays like i've been doing it for so long. I kind and went through a bunch of different cycles and i'm not gonna cry about it anymore. I have cried about. I have cry. I've driven home from the gym plenty of times and cried because i didn't like make a lift or i didn't. You know do something i expected myself to do. Be super frustrated with 'cause. It's because i love it. You know but i've learned over time like i'm like no. You're not. You're not like the things that people say you are. People say you're a powerlifter. They say you're a legend or would. I'm not none of those things. My dad and i'm a husband. I'm i'm a friend and i'm a brother and that's you know that's that's it right says keep it to those things simple because i can still enjoy myself and have a lot of fun and actually have more fun just by going through all that it's liberating when you finally get to that a lot of work okay someone had set when i first started wrestling. I said this is just like my the whole life and they were like well. You need to have a life outside playing and i was like okay otherwise you'll be like ric flair. Yeah yeah for sure. Documentary was insane. They watched it three times so good. The only person who didn't see an android you at least know what they're talking about. At least whenever you get sick and you get the illness they added to that and the wrestler. It's getting really good. It's another really good. It was is really realistic to it was really realistic. Actually i'll tell you how realistic it was. The guy in the movie who tries to sell steroids to <hes> mickey rourke actually got busted went to jail. He's one of my brothers. Good friends growing up from yeah. This is before or after the movies like holy shit. He was way way earlier yeah okay. That's crazy crazy. Yeah i saw him at the arnold came up to me looked exactly clue the same still fucking jack as all hell on tons of shit. I knew your brother. I'm like i remember thank arjan. Did you watch that show on m._t._v. w._w._e. Tough enough series i watched it briefly actually tried out for tough enough nothing two thousand fifteen. She made the preview for berge feature video on their page. I didn't get in but that's okay. I was the uh. I think it was the most viewed video on their youtube chair. It was little wins like that can be cool so that was definitely i was like i really thought i had it just because of how much they were using my video and advertising it but i think we have an opportunity right now for you. Get back into wrestling because you have the next thing and it could be you now against doctor's orders. You're coming out and you don't care doctors say anymore. You're getting back in the ring and you wear the neckbrace right smacks doctors in lab coats and the first thing someone does is give you a spinning neck breaker heartless. I can't believe they did that to her. You you know they talk about her. Her left side being shut down on the podcast and now they're working the left side. This is a great yeah. See the script writing the script thirty written really wrestlers that really paid attention to like when you start like any inspirations so my one of my all time favorites is stone cold steve austin. I love every single thing about him. Like just think of like. I like just the i love. The austin three sixteen is i just whipped. It's your hat just like everything for me and i just i really loved that just tough. I don't care i'm just gonna. Can i say <music>. I'm just gonna fuck you up on here and not here so that was what i really liked but i'm also. I don't really have the look to be like a brawler. I've realized naturally. I don't think anyone would look at me at a bar fight anywhere so i also really fell in love with charlotte flare. She's my absolute idol so i i've rewatch her stuff. All the time. I watch a lot of stone cold. Steve austin and i really do like ric flair to i'm getting into more now but those are my two biggest ones for sure her and sasha banks but charlotte flares one of the guys here <hes> one of our one of our lifters. We call them crazy. Tom crazy tom. Tom tells a story about how he got into a fight with ric flair. It's hilarious. I guess <hes> tom was like fifteen or something like that and he was with some of his buddies and they saw limousine pull up to this <hes> this restaurant and out walks <hes> rick flair and <hes> tom and his friends they they went to the wrestling wrestling matches and stuff and they're yelling there yelling at flair and they're calling him names and stuff but he doesn't care he yeah he's used to it. He was a bad guys a he'll his whole life so <hes> he's he's used to it and i think he's in like north carolina or wherever he's from and just that every town he went to people would always yell at he's used to it right and so finally one of the guys yells <hes> and says something about the girl that he was with and so ric flair turns around and starts sprinting at them and tom's tom's like. I thought we had an agreement. He's like me and my three buddies. We're just gonna maybe try to tackle rick flair like do something like we're gonna try to fuck him up like let's try try to do something and then we have a good story you know and he goes. He goes so i stay my ground. I stay migrant. He goes and i looked to my left and i looked at my right. He's like the other guys split it goes and then rick flair grabs spins me around and he's like i had a jacket on. He said and he's like an eye flail around. He's like rick flair. Rip my jacket off and that was the end of uh-huh running like sped up can sprinted at them. Great friends cast take your medicine. You thank you i was just about to oh man is programmed in lookout for <hes>. That's awesome. He has like each other. Yeah we try yeah. Greg flairs crazy bastard. You do have to see the documentary though it's cool okay so what was documentary called off the wrestler. It's a documentary about ric flair yeah. It's just <hes> it's on. It was like a thirty thirty yeah really good. It's like depressing though it is kinda has nothing because he <hes> he's so like extreme stream and i'm sure he so extremely went dimensional. It's like all he knows in all he can do to to a flaw and you see like he can't maintain retain a relationship with any wives monogamy is not as thing at all to an extremely poor almost like an addict and then like wrestling's all he knows and blows money but then it's like you flip it so like on one side seeming like this not so great if a person in that way but then you go they they dive into like the wrestling out of him and he bends over backwards to help help out new upcoming wrestlers. Teach them train them show them. The ropes is literally like he's just all he knows is is wrestling to flaw so it's like really amazing and really sad at the same time time yeah yeah it's it's really interesting and it was really raw and emotional yeah does he like. I'm curious about that though 'cause does does. He seems sad in the documentary about his life. 'cause exact so. I wonder if it's like if it is actually tragic. I mean if he's enjoying every aspect of i live. It might be all right friend. Who knows is crazy because like he <hes> his character is like how he is. In real life by excessive accessory the draft so excessive partners like sexual partners <hes> the longer you did like so one dimensional like it's ruined his life bush with his kids yeah stories about how much he drank stuffers swire abbey are insane like those what was it cosma know kamikaze shots. I think jim ross also selling the store. He ordered like fifty of them or something crazy yeah. He's awesome. He was pretty crazy. It's tragic but it's not it's like not tragic for then. It's almost sad because you see this guy who just can't doesn't know how to say goodbye to wrestling like he left me. He retired retired was inducted into the hall of fame twice and then he i think he wants a t._n._a. After that like you just didn't know how to let it go that part. It's fully identity but the same time there is something like uniquely beautiful about someone who can and is willing to actually completely commit themselves to something life because that's also kind of a rare trading itself <hes> in while. It's kind kind of u._s. Can be like negative and not a good thing to the general population in general of living. I mean i'll makes a lot of people crash and burn rate and the hours you know celebrity after celebrity celebrity said their fair share trouble. It's it's hard to balance when you're a maniac towards one thing but really it's not balanced. Become great friends balanced like a a healthy happy life but at least the greatness and anything right. How do you guys balance things out between you know talking about fitness like do you guys. I'm sure you don't really get tired talking about fitness since you love it body kind of like make time for each other just to sit down and and just enjoy a good meal or something well every night. We try to eat dinner together. Even if we don't sit and talk we'll take a unwritten long right kind of yeah so we always do that even if it's just watching t._v. And eating together and i feel like just that alone with the phones away yeah yeah definitely especially when we're out on dates or we do a lot of homemade date nights phone number comes out of the pocket and the i took it up on the counter somewhere like way out of sight. That's good. That's still go out of our way to do nice things for each other like one time. This is before i moved in i came over for a date night and he had cleaned the whole house and it not that it was dirty but he went out of his way to make sure it was like extra clean and he got flowers and candles and he played played music and it was just it was really really sweet cool town. He's throwing all of us under the bug out my girl listen to this this subs and then for us to i think we never even if we have like we really liked to have discussions. We really try to be open minded about everything so we'll just sit and talk. <unk> sometimes look a podcast literally sokoto deep conversations with your podcast sir just because of just how we go back and forth so i think that to also like even if we bring up fitness it's not always focused on it would be like some. I don't even know we would talk about. We also seemed to pay enough attention to each other like interests. Even if it's not our own direct interest that like we can appreciate each one to like. She's obviously not in the bodybuilding but she's been with me forever. She's see my perhaps. He's got an investment enough to where like i can show her a picture of some somebody or even karani coleman vio like after she films in the fifties. I want to show her the video. Look at this romney the two hundred twelve she's able to actually look at that as doesn't care about pressing dumbbells whereby people and she's still looking back wow holy shit like insane with me with her with wrestling. I don't watch wrestling religiously at all but like she'll tell me something. Show me a segment that she washed. Look at this and i'll be like oh shit those and then we can get into snare them. Usually snowball like other topics so intertwined like anyone out there that doesn't like wrestling and you just want to expose yourself off to some chunk of it you just have to watch mick foley and triple h wrestling any fucking match that they ever did they kill each other. Yeah yeah kill each other. You can't help but be entertained by beating each other with barbed wire. You gave her some props. He was at how cool ever mashes his first match it was i walked out into the match and he started talking. He's like do you mind. If i give you advice and it's like i almost had a heart attack. I was like do i mind please yes. This is a big one but he boom. That's wild yes so he. He gave me a lot of advice. Pretty bad shape narrow looking walks pain all the time. His hips really messed up. He couldn't carry someone at one of the events that because just of how messed up he is shoe undertake used to give me nightmares so he's taller me straight up. I got nightmares as a kid. My little brother did you. Oh god if you see bray wyatt now. He's kind of like cutler. Wise got a new craze. Ask you haven't fully mick foley was so so nice. What advice would you give you. He actually just said <hes> during one of my parts to stay down a little bit longer my first match. I popped up to kalyan some of the parts. I think it was the end. Oh it was the ending 'cause i lost tonight. I got up right away and because i was just like kind of instinct i didn't hit in the corner instead of laying there like in leading the winner to like give her time to celebrate her victory but then he also said that my the way i sold my chops and everything. It seemed like it was really natural. Instinct asked me my name and said that he would look out for me cools. Did you ever have to deal with you. Know a lot of restaurants have pain. You know stuff. Did you ever have to deal with any of that or we just like really good with your technique. Personally didn't deal with me and i mean i get like bumps and bruises here and there but there was never anything significant ed. I thought there was something that i was doing wrong and i felt like something coming on. I'd usually really try to be diligent and ask is am. I doing something wrong so i feel like it might be this 'cause. I just didn't want to hurt myself so i really feel any pain no yes. It's tough in there because it takes two people to kind of make everything work yes. You don't know which way someone's going yeah. You'd better be paying attention and not be tired if you don't have the conditioning tired and someone's gonna get jacked up like once. I took a step back from it especially after my accident i was like i was trust the people you trust each other to do these things that are not huge. Let like humans don't normally do oh and it's just crazy. It's like a dance and just like a whole trust exercise at the end of the day. It's insanely dangerous. What are some things you guys really enjoyed it doing together. The obvious drinking drank wine wine beer. She can't be because want. We love wine wine wine champagne date noise. We're big date night. Connoisseurs like we live for that like we're very antisocial vivo. We don't have a friend. Go out with we don't i. She she likes likes people she just kind of thing. I don't like being around people. I love it. I actually love being around people like out here doing something. That's fun yeah. Just the sad fact the matter is in multiples hometowns. They do not plentiful so <hes> i love catch up with you guys friends in the industry and stuff but as far as back combing a couple of friends but we'd weed roots kind of keep to ourselves but we love doing different date nights lead you date nights up the ocean state. Rhode island is good for something so we both loved the beach. We love swimming. I love of the ocean. I know you do too so we we love going to the beach together. We both really like reading so i'm really into reading and writing actually wrote a novel all last year yeah that i'm trying to revive like at it again and then hopefully send it out to publishers law school so that's great yeah thank in gil. I did that while i was recovering from my surgery so that kept my mind busy that was good but yeah we both pages. It gets a little over four hundred syndrome and wow that is yeah yeah. It was good. I'm not i'm not saying because it's her she <hes> she would read it to me out loud like issued writer and stuff because it would be a way for like proofread it and then i love listening to like audiobooks podcasts off anyway so she'd read it to me like chapter by chapter as i would do dishes or make dinner something. I got hooked on it. I'll be waiting as she finished the next just one year. Can you read it was like a netflix. Show to me is good. That's cool. You've gotta make the happen. I am trying to thank you. That's a new era. We neither of us know anything about getting publishing. Publish it yourself. I was thinking about that but i feel like it would be really cool to go to barnes and noble and see a hardcover even like a paperback and picture on instagram of it their in the kindle then we we we do like a lot of reading on the detector my prep to 'cause i couldn't do anything yeah yeah so i she would sit out on the deck <hes> direct sunlight and stuff using a bathing suit she'd read. I have my about it like a cigar or something like that. Cigars you're into that. Oh yeah yeah yeah like that's something new for you or i've always been into them. I never got into smoking like anything else just that like he's having every once in a while and take you guys get together as a family often like your your side of the family side of the family that kind of stuff yeah. I'm my my family's very family oriented a hairy italian <hes> so where it was definitely an adjustment one for me moving out even though i was gonna say i is anybody in your family's. Anybody even moved out of the state. No well not immediate family. I know my dad has uncles and husbands wins and whatnot but no i'm from new york and my family's primarily italian and same thing like no one ever. No one ever fucking moved like crazy more than like fifteen minutes down the street yeah. My grandma has an in-law apartment and my parents basement so i'd see her all the time. My aunt's like ten minutes like it's crazy. No one thinks it's like the the taboo like you don't no one's no one's fucking moving nigerians to general russell was telling us about that yeah. It's what legit it's my family was my dad's retired now so he was thinking about moving to somewhere warmer and then they were talking about taking the whole family and then they were gonna take nick to. They're like nick can come to oh my god. They're gonna fall and then i said go to florida. We were thinking about that a while ago and then my parents are looking at florida houses and my hairdresser was like oh my god are they gonna follow you everywhere. You go like maybe i don't know yeah. My dad worked for i._b._m. So he had to move like my family lives. <hes> fairly close to new york city like about an hour out of the city and we had to move further out of the city <hes> when my dad got his job with ibm and whole family was like what do i like. He can't got us and we will only. We're still only like yeah. I think maybe thirty five forty minutes away yeah so but yet everyone was like crazy and then when my brother <hes> started thinking about like <hes> going to u._s._c. see and stuff like that in los angeles my whole family was like no what are you talking about and my parents. Luckily my parents were always supportive of everything so they will. I guess grew. Can you know go for it and then i followed them and then my oldest brother followed them and then my parents you know follow apparently out here now so that's really cool did you guys is like celebrate a lot of things growing up yeah yeah we have a big family my on both sides my mom and my dad's side there's <hes> nine or her eight siblings and they they all had kids and then those kids had kids people run around everywhere and dad add grew up down the street from each other because my dad <hes> winked at my mom on the bus eighteen years old sounds like his games like the slightly lately better than your dad yeah. He pulled my mom off. I don't know how no i'm saying mark. Saudi winked at oh my game. Yes that's way better than my. That's a slightly vitamin. My dad's game historic to gary yeah my family they will. They celebrate it everything one time my uncle bert they've already in september. When's the next family get together when we were all thinking. We're like thanksgiving and then some tom what do you mean. We're celebrating columbus day. Ask someone comes home from a trip bharti awesome. It's it's cool man. I think my wife <hes> came back to new york with me or we went to new york together and it was like on easter and my family gave her like a bunch of presents and stuff and they gave me stuff they gave me like easter basket and shit like i'm seven years old and <hes> my wife's like i don't know anything about presence on like easter. She's and i said my family they give shit on doesn't matter what day it is that was like me going into hers they did sending. We didn't do gifts on easter sunday. I'm getting all these. We don't really do gifts gifts well. We do way more than i ever did all kinds of stuff. It's like yeah. Italians are so generous it's insane and then like the easter egg hunt like some kids like walking off like one hundred bucks the bills and i my mom's not italian polish socialist easter icon it was like i don't even know why i wish lahser even describing it because i don't know what she was thinking. Homes like what's wrong with your mother like she get we'd have like a quarter that would be the highest biased go. Maybe we got up to one dollar but she'd spread out all the eggs and he's like then. There'd be a kid who was a fucking loser but then you had to go in with everyone else divided fight it up. Evenly it was like why do we even bother like my brother. Kill ourselves the best like the three year old. Kids crimes got one nothing ever have. That's what i'm doing. I'm not i don't care if you get no eggs. That's gonna teach you to get more eggs next year. Battle yeah finals fucking eggs my family's taste of capitalism with that capitalize on it because my sisters both younger than me so back when they were really young like kind of there at the age of the wall around and grab eggs but not quite sure up enough to to grab a grasp the competitive side of it like one game like elbow mistake of excitedly pointing to an egg day see and then i just running rabbit having like two years ago no kidding twenty seven last year. You have a lot of siblings. Also i have two brothers. I have a brother who is two years younger than me and then a brother who's ten years younger than me. My parents were weren't planning on having him shutouts adl eight in yeah he literally he asked we're over my parents house sunday night and he's like where are you going and we said we're going to train at slingshot and he goes. Oh see if you king like get me anything. While you're there he goes. I follow them on instagram like their stuff. Is your campo karate. Dad like this guy right off the bat the go he did actually i think i mean he was always pretty good about that like shockingly trying to scare them off no surprisingly because he's super old school italian with that but he he likes neck and he always appreciated he always said that nick was a standup guy. One thing i also will say in his favourite to alex is he never made the joke about trying to scare them off at her. Dad's an actual bad ass like a real bad ass and like real bad asses. Don't feel the need to act extra tamasha and i was like that so we never did he was always very it was always understood like if i were to ever do anything crazy there'd be consequences dealt with and he's one of the few humans that actually be concerned learned about that too but he was always very very done earthen cool. I hate that like cliche extra months. I think there's something wrong with making up for something yeah. That's just my opinion. When are you guys gonna go through with the rest of it yeah whenever she proposes to me we <hes>. We've talked a lot about this and it's funny. We've done everything a lot slower than the on paper would show like. We took forever to move in together in thinking about it basically well. We we wanna do we wanna make sure we get we wanna knock a few doors down career wise and make sure we feel like everything is super secure like financially. We could afford for to do it but it's not just like you want. We want our wedding to be enjoyable and the whole process to be enjoyable. Not an extra added stress just because everyone says you have to yeah it is a laughable pursuing such like insane things outside of the comfort zone and stuff like that and we're enjoying that together so when the time feels right and that's the snicks up to focus on that's what we're thinking the doing i think to us. It feels like we we don't feel like a marriage will change our relationship so having that actual stamp on the relationship the baby will oh yeah that's not happening. No babies no kids. No no wh- brought you to that. I think yeah well for me. The which is so it sounds so crazy because i actually liked kids like people get annoyed by king never having kids. I love kids like i love babies. I like watching them babysitting on whatever like being around them but for me i just could never picture stopping my career ear to have a family. If that makes any sense yeah makes sense and it's smart to recognize that yeah because i feel like i mean once you have a kid. It's like your whole life teen. Somebody's got to watch the fucking kid right. You gotta let it out what you're doing. Yeah yeah i mean if somebody does have to or both or somehow like rangel half. Somebody has to watch and raise the kids so it's smart they. That's where your mind. Is that like you're like. I have of the things i like to do and i don't know if i wanna put everything on hold because you do as a mom you got to put everything on hold for at least at least a year or two minimum yeah <hes> if not even longer kind of depending on the hidden stuff like that right yeah for sure which is another thing too. I still feel like that's it. I i i. I think it's equally as hard for men and women. I mean your whole life changes but definitely being a mom seems like it'd be a lot more. It's like more of like a fulltime job. Yeah shout out to the fulltime. Moms out there like the hottest hardest job ever fast forward ten years all of a sudden. She wants to have a baby. She's out now <music>. You're out off the team. <hes> i guess we'll just cross that bridge when we get there. Honestly i don't even make five year plan so yeah. I think i feel like if that ever came to that point. I feel like we would actually be on the same if like that would ever have an accidentally we would have a son or daughter. I definitely i'd be married and i'd embrace that fully you know so. It's not like it's one of those people who's like dramatic opposed to kids. I've live just we made a constitution like it's not in our interests and doesn't feel like it fits anything you're doing. I can't picture ever coming in interest. I mean i don't even want i love animals lover. I'm allergic to cats and dogs. I don't even want to get a dog does by loving them because i don't want to have to take care of thing to worry about myself and then he can take care of himself but i also can worry worry about him too but i know he's good but we can also like do you go to the bathroom and stuff travel like outside on what what are the places u._s. Trying to visit soon i want to go to italy. That's been like a. I don't like seeing bucket list. I don't really believe in bucket list but that's been my number one dream vacation for a really long time us what they're right. Yeah italy's great yeah. You got to love it. Where did you go harsh it. We went all over the place but we went to you know all the normal spots rome stuff like that. It looks so pretty beautiful. I mean i'd love to go to spain just because the architecture looks gorgeous too but italy i just i've always going to like museums and like just seeing how old some of the stuff is if you go from the west coast to the east coast then should a lot older than it is out here in california. I mean if you go to greece or something like that like that's where a a lot of stuff came from or you go to africa or you go. <hes> you know italy like a lot of these structures and shit our old as crazy can all think of really really it's amazing and and then the technology that they had he you know in in the roman times like just doesn't make any sense it is always wanted check out that doesn't make make any sense and what's what's interesting too is that and i've said this on this show a bunch of times everything always co everything always ends up <hes> coming back around like food and the sex in these in these areas in in rome they had you know these different these different streets where like different people would live on and you kinda see like there's bigger structures and smaller structures and there is a you know upper class middle class and so on <hes> the any would even have like shit underground where people people would would live and work <hes> underground that was like the lower class would be down there because i didn't want people to see him dance which is fucking crazy right. He want people to see him but it actually confess somehow ma- it makes some sense right it does it does make some sense and then <hes> but like they had <hes> these <hes> like whore houses and stuff like that to where you're like like like it. That's always been a part of like <hes> our culture all these different things that he just don't think about but it was all set up for you know like food and water and they had a even had like heat. They even had heated water. They had there was like one emperor that had like heated floors. Like how do these have heat. He just had <hes> workers has that worked <hes> underneath the building and they made heat from just working and then also had like an early start started fires or something like that or anything but they explained it to us when we were there and we were just like that is crazy like make any sense and if you think i mean if you look at like the coliseum like the way that things structured and stuff like it doesn't even feel like we made any progress yeah yeah then really. I mean it's crazy. That's so true pyramids. Though oh god ah i really want to check that out. We all know how those were built. The ancient aliens yes and talk to chris. Griffin has got it. All figured that that is mind boggling that it's like doesn't make any sense yeah apparently just the way the structure is set up. We still can't figure out exactly how it was done. Which is which is really frigging crazy. When you think about it we still i don't know how how something was built and how we in the what was it they felt like water <hes> on the sphinx they found water yeah yeah yeah and and why is that autumn trip and right now <hes> because it's in the desert okay where we're no longer has been free time. Ah so there might have been water there yeah yeah that and then also like <hes> like on a bunch of the pyramids there was actually stuff that had covered it like the ones in and like mexico and stuff like they were like grant all over him. They like chipped it away to use it like the coliseum has a retractable dome uh-huh. What's so shit like you're just like. I don't know mind boggling. It really is it's crazy and so much of the like they talk about. How much of the structure is like <hes> you know falling apart and all this and i'm like but look how much of it still standing yeah. I mean that's insane. Isn't there currently currently a bunch of structures all inside the center of the coliseum like it's not just like that open. There's so there's still a bunch of stuff underground. They're still digging and they're still finding oh and the stuff that they found in the way they've been able to preserve in stuff. None of that makes any sense either but the main fighting fields not just like an open field right now right <hes> <hes> no. It's not no actually like it yeah. They were like they were like remodeling stuff and trying to preserve stuff when we were there so they had a lot of stuff what kind of in that centerpiece but there's still a pretty big center best news that's kind of like a football field some history majors listening to this butchering every everything i have an aneurism crazy though wow did love ancient aliens though the first like early seasons were really good i don't i don't know show show i don't either waiting to watch breaking bad till you have cancer or something like that this all because breaking kim bad is fixing or whatever fake and eighteen aliens is possibly real. You know joke. I heard recently. I'm going to butcher it but <hes> you know how they always say that like alien spilka gypsum pyramids pyramids in mexico and we just know that mexicans built work. No one's asking be who built those pyramids mexicans okay so i got some last. That joke worked. Thank you happy. We'll we'll take get yahoo. Saving the mexicans didn't exist back then but we'll still take credit for aztec was down in colombia to went into her <hes> you go there was a whole like race that completely eradicated by <hes> christopher columbus in that whole like set up like there's people in a like a central america that will never ever even know existed because says they came into skilled. Everybody dark really yeah so anyways. <hes> strays that like we just won't no no i mean we know the existed because like people smarter than me actually do research and mike and remember more stuff but they're not alive and but yeah correct like there's no exactly as extinct yeah okay yeah but yeah as far as i mean the mexicans came from aztecs and spaniards. That's why we're so angry old. I says like history show right now but a bad version hired one time. I don't know if this is what you just said but i heard that mexicans were actually like english people and native americans so that would it'd be the aztec. That's what i thought. Okay sorry <hes> history was. I think gotta be in history go to school. Though whenever i travel i always tell people i'm just like i'm really dumb naive american. I'm like i. I have questions. Russians are really interested in other races. All ask a bunch of question the mike. I'm so sorry if i sound like offensive or anything just i'm. I'm just trying. I'm just curious. You know. Try to ask questions and they're always like no. No we understand americans are stupid fine. Yeah like don't worry about uh. We knew more followers than you on instagram yes true. I've always wondered how like there's so many things. I want to ask people. Sometimes i'm like back. I don't know if i can ask that or not. Produce it the way heated. Hey almost stupid amir not a good idea because then it's like 'cause you know there's just the the world and just social media like the you know. I don't want to tar tarnish my image so i heard i don't know if it's a blogger youtube channel. Do you have both of those. I do have a youtube channel and i'm actually working on a blog which i guess this is my big announcement for it so it's going to be flawless world dopp blog glenn. I don't have the exact date that it's launching. I just wanted to start it because actually years ago. I had the idea to start it and then i started youtube instead which i really enjoyed but i just love writing so this is i can just totally make it my own and i can god bless your private right now. What did not know that. I'm so not like technical nickel expert. When i started there was so much coding involves and just all this stuff. I'd sit there for hours on end and i felt like i got nothing done on but we don't have it on screen yet. So i mean yeah just hold off a time got it set it by accident cool things up right in that yeah because she was testing it out so might have some new things that she's adding into israeli sick when it when it goes probably have to just get like a web designer something because there's like holy holy newsletter integration. It's just so tricky encompass. <hes> what's the deal with your diet. How do you eat. You said you don't really like to count anything. He just kind of eat <hes> so for me. I'm probably gonna. I'm gonna seem like i'm like devil worshipper to the entire fitness community but for me i really struggled struggled with body dismore fia growing up my poor. Mom god bless her soul. She just like traumatized me. When i was fourteen she went up to me and and she was wrong but she was like she has a really bad while accents ariana. You gotta eat right. 'cause you can't gain weight in your legs like you have my shaping. You're gonna look fat and i was like what's it's like out of nowhere when i was fourteen and she never really talked about that at all with you really and i know i think she was trying to come from a good place is but she has really bad volume two and she's like were you getting chebbi or i know i wasn't. I was just yeah fourteen. Whatever i was active i was was a cheerleader so then i just like she traumatized me and then you know you go through stages in highschool. Your body still changing. You still have some like baby fat on you i was. I don't think i was ever chubby but i i was definitely as like lena's i am now just because of muslim with charity and whatnot so my body started changing and i was just like not i just under starved myself when i was fifteen and then i got really sick and then i stopped cheerleading. I ended up getting really into working out when i was around sixteen and then once nick and i met i mean it was like full-blown. I didn't really know it and i didn't understand it so i really struggled with the whole like eating thing and the whole exercise and i just put all of my value into my body and i like freak out if i didn't go to the gym like six days a week like i couldn't in my mind find make it so like make myself understand that. If i missed one day i was not going to get like gain ten pounds missing a day actually can be or not even missing -oday but just taking a day off can be really beneficial exactly and i am to three days off. A week is great and i. I just couldn't wrap my brain around that and then for me. The biggest biggest thing too is my mom thought she. I had her body shape but i don't i have i have a very italian shape very very hour glass. I think i'm also armenian to some spaghetti and meatballs free and then as i got older i didn't i just i just did not not knowing nicholas with me too like my hips. I thought my hips were done. Spreading at twenty one and then twenty two it was just like boom. Okay that's fine like my measurements. Mike thirty ribcage by wastes like twenty six and a half my hips and my like including my butter like forty inches so for me <music> yeah we've got a measure butts competing with her shortly really thirty nine and a half and i don't do anything to like squad or anything and let before with the demon now that would be like your degrees of his life bowl so the reason i'm giving the background is is because for me i struggled with eating and diet and i know i mentioned earlier about how i was doing the bikini competition and that it didn't happen because of the wellness doctor that i went to and then after that i tried dieting still and it was just like totally just i was so discouraged because i had i just like i couldn't enter the show that i was busting my ass for and then. I felt like nothing was working. My body was being stubborn. So then i kind of just ended up falling hauling away. I got really into martial arts and i didn't bother counting calories and then i just really eventually. I don't know how i stumbled onto this but i really took the time to learn my body shape and learn what foods i respond best to which i think that is something that's more people should talk about especially for women because we see these girls on instagram or in the mainstream media who are fair have curves and it's like you take a girl with a stick nick build by default not knocking anyone but and then they pose differently and it makes it look like they have curves for me. I was like why can't i look like that. I i i will never attain that body. No matter what i do just because of my skeletal frame so i really took the time and i learned what workouts i like. I got tested tested and found out that i actually have a lot of muscle. I guess genetically four girl so i respond really well to lower weight training more cardio and and shockingly carbs so because i try try doing low fat barely any carbs and we tried that actually at the beginning getting out sorry yeah actually at the beginning of his prep. Maybe i'll try counting calories. Whatever and i ended up doing that and literally the day day after i did high-fat slow carves i- bloated like a water tank immediately isn't it so crazy and then i did research and i found out italian woman generally early respond better to hire carbs whatnot pasta so long story short. I say that because as i would like i feel like it's not talked about enough because i struggled so long with my body of the history you know. I don't think i think f is explained so oh. I think it's great thank you did you take to find out about the your muscle and all that stuff it was some blood test and they measured like my muscle density and my dad actually had low t. and he had a lot of muscle for having low t. I think you said her mom looks insane. It doesn't train weights at all all at all and really i think under eats and but like her arms and if i showed you picture arms shoulders you'd swear she's a week out from lincoln n._b._c. Show ooh yeah not not large and bulky jock like her. Overall size is small peel. Cap shoulders separation the break alice bicep. She's just genetics. It does work out trees with us should have her looking like that. It's just it's awesome genetics gels. They're just like they all have better genetics for what i do. I do now yeah. Maybe so many carbs we talking about here. Do you have any idea uh no. I don't my daily diet diet too and i also really had once. I got familiar with eating foods. I started. I was just like you know what. I'm eating things. I don't even like i'm not losing any weight and i was just like whatever i don't know why. I stopped eating cookies in the first place. I'm going to go back to eating cookies again so i just have cookies and then i was like i really miss having pasta. I'm i'm sick of rice. I started having pasta and then i was like oh wow i look better having my cookies and pasta so i also got rid of that that guilt associated with having those things and i made it just i just looked at it like food like this is just a nutrient that i'm eating to sustain my body and you know my life so for me now i usually i usually try to intimate fast i usually i like doing cardio my cardio and my workouts in the morning. I just feel better doing it that way. It helps you focus on my work for the rest of the day so i'll do that and then usually around like between one and two. I try to eat lunch and i'll have usually a sandwich with lunch me or like. Sometimes i'll be lt depending like a turkey b. l. t. sometimes i'll have chips with it kettle cooked because they're actually not not that unhealthy <hes>. I know that sounds like goes against what i was just saying if you do look at them they're not the worst snack in the world so i'll have that sometimes they'll have chips and then i use. I allow myself four cookies day. I don't always eat for cookies. Sometimes i might be a little more really hungry but for me that gets thread of the need to go out and like gogel khanna cookies so i have to be disease so i have to be gluten and dairy free so so i have glue tino cookies a lot like the healthiest cookies not necessarily the fat and sugars without for me. It's like i. I eat that and i don't ever feel the need to go crazy like. I don't feel like oh my god. I need to have this like i'm going like a whole slew of cookies and then dinner will also i mean in the summer and i sometimes love rice just because it's later in the warm weather but i'll have some protein in pasta or protein and rice and sometimes sometimes if i'm really hungry i'll have like maybe a little bowl of cheerios or whatnot but that's pretty much what i eat like. It really looks like like what you're you're doing right. Now i feel like is the end goal for a lot of people that are you know dieting. Quote unquote like you want to get to a place where you don't have to track every fricken meal and you can look at a meal and just go through the day without really thinking about food but maintain your healthy shape and lifestyle right. That's the goal. I learned to get jealous of her like ability to do that. Yeah with like my form my benji brown and we're talking about <hes>. I'm trying to get to where she's at where she is mind blowing each for cookies and then you walk away a lot of effort to get here two and i was telling nick actually last week that most people when they go out to eat the like the usually tell you the next day. Oh hate so bad last night like i got a good today so bad last last night and i realized that i don't know when this happened but i'll go up to someone like you won't believe what i ate last night like i get so excited because i don't look at food as the enemy and i mean i go to the gym five times a week sometimes six but i also feel like going only five times a week and giving myself the two days of rest helped me mentally separate myself from the gym and from focusing solely on my body so that also helped create a really healthy relationship and you don't for me like you said it's just balanced and maintaining a healthy lifestyle because i'm all for maintaining a healthy lifestyle regardless i see people i have people that i know that are older and it's sad when they're just overweight and out of sheikh since they can't do they couldn't go to new york city and walk around which is sad like i don't wanna live my life like that. I don't think anyone should ah i think a lot of what's happened a lot of people in terms of their beliefs and things that they say about themselves are actually just somebody else's beliefs leaves. They've kind of heard and they think that's true of them. I hear so many people say i can't eat carbs like so i personally choose not to eat carbs because and i've mentioned a bunch of times i just end up over eating just eat too much if i eat carbs and then it kind of triggers me to want to eat more carbs however i've gotten lean i did a bodybuilding bodybuilding show with carbs and they work great. They were great for me just as they were and i think i mean there's probably some exceptions to the rule. If i some people literally that when they have some carbohydrates <hes> it may be <hes> you know spikes are insulin and maybe maybe they get fatter right like you said with a low carb diet and seem like it worked victory right now but it seems like most people are just whatever like if i say something on social media about not eating carbs and someone's like that's like me. I'm carbon tolerant to or someone says has like i say. I never tried to not ever say that because i think that that's like misleading and then i don't know who's i don't think there's anybody that can't tolerate a car the holidays so maybe you have to tolerate less yeah next guy for various reasons. That's also another big thing. I want more i well if i can help people light to advocate for it just really like you said people here are like low carbs and they try to do all these things and you have to learn what works for you and i know sometimes like diet coaches that i mean having a diet coaches great. He helped you tremendously. I had some really good ones that i had worked with back in the day but if i went to them and said that this is what i eat they've probably take. I wanna with you because they were like but what they would give like normal. Clients is just not what i would respond well to exactly exactly what you said. It's so crazy. I didn't realize growing up how different everyone's body really is. You just see people and you're just like it just doesn't doesn't i don't know it doesn't i didn't really think of it like oh. This is like that someone's genetic frame like because my mom would always be like you're not you're never going to be skinny or thin cabela's my mom but so but i didn't like what does that even mean like what do you mean by skinny and like thin like what what the hell is the difference between gene skinny and thin type thing and then just from dating youtube. I've learned a lot about skeletal frames and so interesting and just anybody wants to necessarily be skinny. The anywhere at skinny sucks yeah probably not only not only being skinny. Skinny is great. You know like knows best like being too fat. I don't think it was bad wording for like like you don't have the build of like victoria's secret models straight line right yeah. Does this very very tiny percentage of the population right for sure yeah i think i think you know you keep we keep hearing people say you gotta find out what works for you and and sometimes that can be like a little bit misleading but i think in the end it's about <hes> what like feels right to you like from a belief standpoint feels right to your body. What feels right. I i mean because if you don't have the discipline to <hes> you know count your calories and track stuff then he probably shouldn't mess with it if discipline to not eat carbs for three days then than probably maybe not a great diet for you. Exactly you do have to try things for a while. You might have to try something for for three or four weeks. Yes really see if it sticks because it's going to be a change in the first week right. I'll suck. Are you still able to kind of shift gears and like <hes> if you wanna gain some muscle or gain. Some strength are able able to do that or if you want to. <hes> you know drop drop some weight or able to just make some adjustments and move things around or you don't need to. I really don't feel like i need to i. I think i'm in. I feel the best that i ever have screwed. I feel like i look pretty good shape. I mean if i want to haven't been great mysolar. I have the scars she did a bellis double forms of two hundred pounds without any actual programming coming yeah so i mean if i wanted to like i think i would usually for me. It's like just kicking up the cardio or actually. I really have been. I usually do ninety any minutes of cardio. I've really been enjoying. I use the flat treadmill but actually he's the hip circle. Oh nice and i feel like that works really well so i've been enjoying that lately like he's a hip circle on the treadmill. Yeah oh my god i feel like a burning your glucose or something yeah yup and the whole ninety minutes oh my god incense yeah on the stairmaster to shit yeah not for ninety minutes. I've <hes> done like forty five on the master and i've warmed up with the hip circle these on it for like it. How often do you do cardio five days a week. Oh you do a lot yeah so but for me it's either just like kicking up the cardio or sometimes changing or adding things like the hip circle or maybe just like cutting out chips or something yeah type thing okay so you might make a small adjustment in your food for you're like if you just feel like we all have those days where you feel fat or flatter curve. I feel like i'm like one time. I was eating peanut butter and i was like well. I eat a lot of carbs so i probably they shouldn't be like guzzling peanut butter like it's my job in hobby you know do you feel like you have to. Maybe watch your fat calories a little bit even though you're not tracking just because you eat <hes> good amount of carbs just slightly. I try to be aware of it. I mean i try not to have a beacon every day butter and mayonnaise and ranch dressing. I i love butter. Doesn't i used smart balance. I don't know if it's i'm not saying it because i think it's healthier butter on pastas almost better than <music> now. It's amazing then marinara sauce. Butter is like the just like recipe for fantastic nece and life. Oh yeah i'll do butter marinara sauce. My grandfather used to just eat butter. I did that one yeah. He was just like sit at the taylor. Just sit there and just like you know he'd read the newspaper and he'd like he eat butter butter on his hamburgers intakes. He did put on everything. I'm like that's so weird but i was like well. People put cheese on their on their burgers safely. Not at the different butter like you know habit. My butter habits. Look team hasn't been a cheesecake factory when they bring up the bread and butter. I dislike slob that butter on d._s._o. Roadhouse out here we do but i haven't been there. Oh man their roles with the butter is hawk. It's amazing. I think outback has a dark bread. Yeah yeah amazing transitions great now. We're talking about training to alive mayo to that i like. I'm fat with the male. I use males sizing meaning. You can't do one side. Do you like breath. I'm very picky with that. Mayo it has to be on something that i don't know what's there but i would never willingly by theron theron beckham good a good friend of mine. He told me because i i love to. She told me that only white people you manage yup. I said if i don't know it's there i it. I don't think sandwiches either really really. I paid sandwiches. I never put may on my sandwich and the reason is is just like i don't know most of us. Just never i don't mess with mayo either. I go like this on my instincts. You really do you yes. He told me that was training hanging out galway classic and he asked the entire table and it was just like this is unanimous. It's very true no it's. It's actually really true male because i know exploded yeah. I hate hate when people are like mayo so bad for you. Shut the fuck up. You're not it's fine. It's not that so we i try. I mean i'm good. I don't i don't have too many like almonds and stuff like that. So everything eat it all. Yeah we reading better balanced you at the less carbs in her with the more carbs so she just eats all the carbs arbs that come in the house o- obviously yeah how crazy was it when i tried doing low carbs and like and then literally the day. I was like i can't do this. I'd carbs and i like tightened up the next day twice while the carbs sponsor really well i don't anymore. We should allergic to not eating carbs. Uh-huh dima who how hard was it to <hes> watch nick go through like some of those binging <hes> situations it was actually really sad and it would make me really angry because i would just see him and i like at one point when it got when dima got really bad i was like you're literally going to kill yourself because it reminded me of those people on like six hundred pound life like not it's sad because they can't stop eating and that's what he would do and then the craziest thing is he would hide ride the food from me would be like he was cheating on me like willingly cheat on your part wall. Maybe i don't know maybe you would if you were just not a nice person but you wouldn't willingly cheat on in your partner in front of them so it was like i he wouldn't eat in front of me. I'd be like getting out of the shower and i'd hear like the right here like the knife the big out here. He goes making m._p._v. j. or tuna tuna. Sandwich processed food needs to come and quieter stuff the little bits bits when you're slowly unloading. You're guilty about yeah. I'd be like just taking out the garbage time. I was at my parents house and it came back home and i texted him and i was like i'm home now. We can eat dinner together. I was waiting for me to eat and i get there and he's like he takes <music> only allowed the freezer because to and i'm like i'm just going to eat my food than we can eat together. I'm like is that what you're eating for dinner. He's like no. I stopped stopped it. He said subway but it was talk about. I saw this at taco bell earlier and he's at subway ever since i got two sandwiches like you to subway sandwiches and then whatever i'm like oh my god this kid so then i'll make my food and then. He says he's like what and then he's like. I have a tuna fish sandwich and then he was eating the meal and it was like five minutes later. He'd reveals something else. It'd be like he was trying to like gear himself up. There's only like sup with someone and and we are we. We kissed too and she might us up. Dover air was like tapped about food so hard for me to because he was so ashamed of it but the i couldn't i wasn't even there to like try to stop him and it was hard for me to because i would like right. After the show ended in he really went crazy with with eating. He got what a burger and he got all all that shit he like he. I did not know that he'd never eaten after a competition either. He's like oh. You couldn't move we went. We tried to go out to dinner and we had to leave the dinner early like i had to get my food to go because he was in so much pain so bad and then he went down and he got beers that he brought back up to the room then. Did you eat more yeah. That's a good tip for people that are doing bodybuilding. Show like once your shows over. Don't even bother trying to go to dinner won't make yeah you won't make it to dinner. You're gonna you're gonna pick out on everything that you possibly can hum by the time he gets a dinner. You're not gonna be able to breathe anyway. We'll give you your show. <hes> i had a <hes> just like a big bacon cheeseburger and then we <hes> we drove of two <hes> padilla bay non just kind of hung out there for a few days and just eight but i also like. I got worn by a lot of people they're like you. Gotta figure out a way to keep moving being or gotta so i tried to walk a lot and i tried my best to keep everything in check and the only thing that would work was just utilize a little bit of fasting each style to star eating at like at like one or two o'clock. I get one like that too but then like last time i competed was like nineteen days when anything my body bounce back so i was confidence <hes> nothing's going to happen me. I try to eat stuff that was like more substantial like rather than just like eat like pure jong. I mean this is still junk but i had things like real not sandwiches and stuff like that like it. Kinda like fill you up and at least some protein in it and i walk. I was trying to mitigate you know any like massive damage yeah and we're about the toilet the toilet most paid the price after you. <hes> you remember was constipated. Carry a lot of food yeah yeah. It was just it was a mess. I'm glad that you've gotten a better handle on. I am very proud of you for doing that because it was it was scary at some point and i was just like well you go to the doctor i go to the doctor and then it was getting me stressed out because you don't ever want to see someone. You care about do that to themselves. He would just keep eating and eating. It's pretty gross that with myself like we all that like i was telling you when i got out of the shower and we're going to go to tripoli that night and he's like i can't move and i was the why are we going out to dinner or getting food to go and he's like and then he was like just spiraling out of control and then we finally went to the doctor because he thought he was one of the cross my ts and yeah as i thought i was fa- i thought it was just all from the show but just like with symptoms like that. He's wannabe bad sure everything's functioning. I went just to get a checkup mischer. Everything was on the up and up and it was yeah but still of nice to just know instead of just sitting they're wondering do you tell yourself you know when you're in the middle of a meal and you you you probably at this point have said okay. I'm just gonna eat the steak in these veggies. He's and then okay when i'm done with that. <hes> i'm going to watch some t._v. But i can't eat anything else you see how that conversation right but then you the steak disappears yeah and and what like what are you trying to talk yourself through to not do that. It's like all right. You're done your folks focus on focus on this. You get the knock it fat. You don't need it. You tell yourself father stuff but it's useless. I mean it's like it's literally like you're recovering alcoholic three days into recovery and someone put a shot in front of you and you're just telling yourself not to drink that or or even worse. You had one shot. Is anything help like just going for a walk or just getting out of low calories or even that trick like just normal society foods. Don't help it when when the <hes> biz you're not acting rationally exactly what what does help is getting out of house. It's not staying in watching t._v. Sitting on the couch still watching d._v._d.'s like the worst for mesa by e watch t._v. I'm gonna still want people the other day on instagram. I said go to fuck the bed. Yeah yeah no. You're gonna consume. An extra. Thousand calories is go to bed. What because he knows interesting that i've noticed too. Is you create almost like pavlov's dog effect with it so it's like view constantly. Eat these meals get excited for and you even get some benji tennis go and while you're watching your favorite show will now every time you're watching that show on that seat. You're gonna wanna be eating. It's part of the whole thing thing <hes> so. Stop trying to go and get work done <hes> another another thing that really has helped acilia sounds. It's just slowing down because when you bend is your your fast like a dog on its last meal and stat. That doesn't helping me so slow down. I i thought the slowdown between bites chew leaving romney. She breaks down. He's he's not going anywhere. Is what actually happens. When you do slow down like that that severe binge craze kind of dwindles down you get a chance to kind of slow your mind down and get in front of that urge and then you get grounded a little bit and then when it finally does and get last bite you can watch just tell yourself. Are i still feel like i want more but i slowed down my eating so i a little bit in control here. I'm gonna make myself way at least twenty minutes ten minutes whatever and then usually if you wait ten minutes the bench wears off and then e do actually fill aww a walk might help yeah no side gone for a walk and then i also think too <hes> one of the other things that might have helped a little is what i was trying to get reacquainted reacquainted with food and not looking at certain foods as an enemy he would. He had those fat and weird cookies. He got sent them after the show so he actually actually i was really proud of him like when he wanted one he'd say to me. Do you think it will be okay if i have just one fat and weird cookie and like a little scoop of ice cream as well. What else did you have state and then he'd tell tell me a bit yeah. Go ahead. If you want it then have it. You haven't had it for three months now. You've been depriving yourself so have it and then that also i think in his mind helped create the idea that he could have. I also told him to the food's not like you can have that food whenever you want your. You said that was your retirement. Show like you're done bodybuilding. I can't eat the fat and we're cookies. I can't eat the ice cream so the only person that's gonna consume them as you so. They're not going anywhere so i think. Do you think that helps helps you to getting just used to the idea of like letting yourself. Hand that little indulgence yeah help get familiar with the seven food and it is a weird thing thing is like when especially if someone's like program diet you get your one jeet day. You wanna eat everything in that one window of cheating reminding yourself that you can literally have this whenever you want. It's not going anywhere where <hes> what was actually kind of sat slash funny slash weird was one of i told you before how i i did not felt to be full zaslov full but now i don't think so but i would be full monk protruding and so i'd like find ways to like train myself recognize when i was full as insane as that sounds sounds and because it wouldn't work. I need a big size meal and the guy that was logically those big size meal. That's enough like you should befall like desks definitely enough. You don't need anymore but ah. I still feel like i was hungry. One more what i ended up doing though is i'd actually take advantage of the following a half and a big okay imagine you were filming this as a day of eating. Would you feel the need to explain yourself and rationalize your reasoning for having this next meal at all 'cause like a meal that make sense. You don't feel you only need to explain yourself with things. You're insecure secure about right so like having like a post workout meal. I moved the day if it's big. You don't explain anything. Here's my first days post workout. It's big boom make sense if it went had a bowl of cereal after that and i felt needs to be like i'm just gonna have this extra bossio slash carpenter. I i did do extra cardio today. I'm gonna i'm gonna cut carbs for my dinner later on tonight when tom explain myself and i'm rationalizing because i know deep down i shouldn't be having this meal and already know what the comments going to be saying so is literally start playing that game myself bake finished. What more do you need more but what what if you're from this for now. What what would your impulse be if i felt like i would be ashamed of it guilty at all a big leisure sign. You don't need that started working then now. It's like i've kinda. Now i can recognized unfold is had to like. I said i don't like blaming anything. In life. Blaming prep is being evil and all that it's a it's a bad habit that was formed and it's something that we can get control over get a grip on where he like that as a kid no not to this extreme but i definitely was always like always learned a food. Actually i think that dopamine rushed. It's up to me. I've always had anxiety and stuff like there's some people that that you know. Don't get full yeah. No i always got full for sure but i definitely always liked like was drawn. Dopamine rush from raves for sure but <hes> i i never this is like pretty much brand new. His idea of full was when he just can't move yeah. That's a pretty new thing who was there a bunch of like trial and error because he had mentioned that you would make him like a sensible breakfast that had like a little bit of everything including like almost like a mini cheat meal inside that one would cereal like. Did you have to try different things or did you just you know like i think that def did help a little bit. I do think it was a lot of trial and error because when we first tried that he wasn't going to the gym that week i believe so he it's that better with him and i think that helped a little bit and then once he's tried working out. Who's like oh. I can't you know work. I like working out fasted so there definitely was trial and error because i feel like it would help but then he'd still have those tendencies well. We we make the breakfast. You make me work on that week after my show when i wasn't training jim it worked well then like she said i can't. I feel too sluggish so i had to cut out the bread. I had to go back to fascinating but then the fast and made its tickets that back because now it's like oh now the normal sized breakfast she made if i had that after i'd facet and trained i was ravenously hungry yeah so the biggest thing too that i realized as watching him is he. Every time he looks at food it's like he just sees the calories like he doesn't. He's not like oh like. I want this like one time. I think he was. He's like really want i._p. Yea the i._p. As really blow him with his team right now so he's like i really wanna i._p. And i was like okay you're twenty eight years old. You can have anywhere just is have the v._a. And he's like yeah if i'm going to have that x amount of calories and i just i could just have this instead and i was like why like why would you first of all you like water would you even you're not hungry. Are you going to go and eat food just because it's less calories three hundred something galleries instead so yeah the trial and error just i think he's also gotten a grip. He is better now at knowing what kind of foods he likes so he's been getting better incorporating the normal foods and his routine his soul like eating habits bet a little bit since any bench so that's it's been few weeks which is like saying staying alive so she coming off the show so we've got a pretty damn good grip on it which is awesome and it's still just a work in progress as far as mastering it like to be conscious of when i eat and stuff i mean it depends sounds like it's starting to get better like today. We had the portable and i get the small one because i don't usually eat for a train but that was nothing like that. Filled me up fell full normal normal human being so like i'm starting to feel normal again with this stuff which is good because it's what about <hes> binging on foods are healthy. They were just do that like ever just like eat like i dunno two pounds of steak or something like that <hes>. I'm sure i've done that to an extent yeah. I've done that to an extent <hes> omelettes cheesy chicken and the mike. They'll be like some season chicken. It's like those meals you get but you know what happened with that is like you. You're able to put down a lot there and then you still want me to top it off with something. That's a more palatable. Yeah you want. Yeah you want something sweet yeah yeah so <hes>. I think that's an actual thing you eat a meal. It's kind of salty and fatty and savory and then you want the opposite of them. Yeah it is so sure wash it down with the opposite like ice cream or something then like if you get scoops of ice cream sounds so good after you had that that's interesting because i was noticing noticing a lot <hes> and i just thought it was maybe just like post competition but yeah i would try to eat like a a real clean healthy balanced meal like that and it's like good portion of it. Is this homeo- stasis. I think your body's like we went one way this way here and let's go back the other way i would swear every time that one like benji even worse than if i had just gone with whatever i wanted to go before yeah and i like what you say that you said we have a grip on it now <hes> <hes> that's huge because he has had each other's back like we were talking earlier in the podcast. If somebody doesn't have in arianna like what like what <hes> like what can someone do watch nick roy on youtube there you go tom now. I'm like i honestly all side really just youtube is what helped me get started. I'm always the one who youtube d- learned research wash betas while the people we went through ordered the book binge <hes> brain over binge learned about the science behind it got a grip and then out share it with her and then obviously you know in our partnership. We always have each other's back with everything like that that but i mean that's just the first step is just educate yourself about it. Learn as much as you can about it the science behind it <hes> and the other thing take responsibility for it like i said i hate blaming people. Were like i got if somebody comes so i told you see bodybuilding so unhealthy so it'd be sure no it's it's not inherently healthy true but what how productive is blaming bodybuilding for the second to fix the issue the the issue is i developed healthy habit and i need to disappointing get over it so just <hes> educate yourself as best you can be prepared to apply a little bit of discipline because it does need to discipline the slowdown in the eating discipline yourself to be conscious of what's going on in your head displays of the weight not giving you the the binge and it's just a work in progress yeah and i think to <hes> on the flip side of that is it's really important to try to be open minded and be understanding because at the end of the day we don't know how it is to be in anyone else's shoes so i always try to make sure that i go like i try to really listen to him and if he asked for my opinion i try to think of the best possible solution. I don't ever tell him what to do. You need to do this. I always try to you know. We're just a team so i always try to help you but i don't. It's his body in his live at the end of the day so i think it's also just really important to just try to help someone without forcing them to do things to if that makes any sense a lot of patience right for sure and then to like i think a lot of people fall into this trap. They're like well. I don't have this problem so i can't you like they can't rob their mind around. Why people do anything which i think goes for a lot of things in life people look at other people in their actions like why would never do that like what's wrong with you. You like who's to say what's wrong with anyone really if you think about it. That's why hold off on on going public with this for so long and i still get like a little weird talking about because i don't even have a full understanding of it but because it's just sounds so ridiculously outside looking in it's just like you're a grown man. You saw your complaint your problem. Is you eat a lot so stop eating so much a lotta bodybuilders do that though that's what i'm saying that's the other thing too that really wanna come out and talk about this and and again. It's the biggest do not wanna make it dramatic or sound like a martyr. I i think the biggest most productive way to do is take responsibility. It's an issue that we can get a grip on incorrect but it's nuts how hidden it is. I did not know that i held off a making the video radio for a month until a month after the show because i was insecure about it's like how do i talk about this. This sounds so like bitch made this is. This is like a weird thing everyone does it. I don't think it stephen just just <hes> just bodybuilding. I don't think it has anything to do with the bodybuilding diet. Necessarily that's what triggered it for you yeah but i know so many people that i help with their diet rate when they come home from work they they just kill all the food their their wife or they have a prepared meal and they're they're all set. They have a good a good meal right and then they're they are like eating cereal cereal and eating protein bars and eating just like whatever snacks they haven't around the house and i think <hes> i think just about everyone is guilty of doing that. Especially from time to time taking it to your extent is like a another another level of rights a little deeper but i know a lot of people that do that and i'll help someone with their diet and lose weight for like five days and then then boom they binge up you know and then they'll keep going back and forth and back and forth but they do so much damage in that one like half a day that takes three days to work at the amount of pictures features. I got sent to me from subscribers of their own post competition dima worse than mine it was i'd never seen it. No guy that gained fifty pounds within four days laugh yeah fifty pounds and went from one ninety backups to forty yeah i saw so much of that and it was because you never see it and it happens to the women too yeah you never we're here monday. Gained thirty pounds is different. Oh yeah and the thing is it was like you never hear about. I didn't experience. I'm not dumb. I knew people bounce back bat after shows but i wasn't no one shares that obviously everyone's ashamed of it so when i finally went out with the videos literally waiting so i'm going to get remained in these comments and i was it was the opposite. I was mind blowing so that's something i figure like. I'm not an expert in. I can't be a life coach. I'm just getting a grip on it myself. It's just a little hurdle to overcome but i figure as has overcome it <hes>. I'll just share what i can yeah a what if you tact it from a nutrient side how it would work. I don't know if you've ever met at that but if he just had like more nutrient dense foods it's and you allowed yourself to like if you went almost like a carnivore diet <hes> carnivore style diet and just literally as much as you wanted. I consider that to uh-huh they would work. You'd still be deprived. Though it would yeah it would work and i also feel like that. It's still kind of <hes> encouraged the benjamin habit because you can eat whatever you want so that's encourage you whatever you want and then be you probably would miss carbs and stuff like that probably given day ryu go and cheating and that you turn to a bench but like someone like dr baker <hes> sean baker who's kind of made the carnivore carnivore diet popular. You know he'll like he'll just he just eats when it's time to eat yeah anytime anytime. He's got an opportunity big old steak. You'll just do it if he needs the fast vast and he'll just fast but like he'll eat three or four times a day and i mean this guy's eaten. I dunno like four or five pounds steak. Every day is eating. Insane amounts obviously obviously got his body conditioned to to do that. He does do a lot of <hes> you know. He exercises a lot and stuff like that but i think that <hes>. I think that that's something that that that might work for you where it's like you just whenever it's opportunity like throw down a steak or some eggs or something like that yeah. I have considered that but i really do feel like at this point for me right now. I mean like who knows what i ended up doing as a viable option like once my head like nice and i'm google it again but i feel like right now that would encourage that is an extreme sacrificing something something and it's it's <hes> enabling eating as much as you want because i feel like that pattern would still be in there bryan even if it was like a healthier right yeah what i've noticed from from that is like i feel like a lot of people are filling up their cup of of macronutrients everyday not necessarily getting the micros in at the and the micros <hes> they make you feel tired they can lead to cravings and stuff like that to stan efforting talked a lot about salt and potassium and its role on like cravings and things like that so maybe some of it maybe some of it would help and maybe wouldn't named half to like restrict carbs all the way. Maybe even it's like i mean it sounds weird but maybe it's as simple as a nutrient of something. You're just not getting it which could be like something thing like potassium because when you go on a low carb diet there's potassium in your meat and there's potassium in your vegetables but there's really not that much normally right right. That's interesting. Yeah i mean i. I just saw there was a i didn't read the study so i don't know how legit is i just saw it quick but <hes> they found a possible link to like depletion of vitamin or lack vitamin b. six and <hes> was iron think could lead to like depression and anxiety earnings icty anxiety attacks. I think because of the serotonin right right like i said i didn't look at. I didn't look at the study so i'm not disclaimer. I was just interesting thought yeah. There's so many things that can be cured with food and maybe even binging could be cured with food and you really weren't at like knows possible. I do believe in quality. There is the quick plug because stands book like it's literally a culmination of a bunch of studies in a bunch of things from literally all the people in the industry the other all day the vertical diet literally. It's like he hasn't guides on every single nutrient what foods you need to get the nutrients from. It could fit really well into what you're doing. Since you could just find some extra foods that you might not be having. Have you guys both done it well. I have yeah yeah like i utilize concepts room because the vertical diet really isn't even a diet. It's like it's like nutritional. There's a lot of nutritional habits in there and just like protocols that you can add what you're currently doing or you can just go straight into what he's talking about. Almost like a checklist you know you're trying to actually just is getting all these nutrients from these various foods so he's just he. He's the first person i've seen that. Maybe not the first person but he's i. I personally seen <hes> do this. Where he's utilizing utilizing food is like a supplement. You know so you might say oh well. It's time to take my branch chain amino acids or whatever he's thinking. He doesn't see like an orange and he doesn't see necessarily. He like <hes> the amount of sugar in it he seeing okay. There's fructose in there. I know fructose can help my liver by helping your liver and having a healthy liver you can <hes> increase as your thyroid production therefore can help you decrease body fat and then also there's potassium in an orange so like rather than just looking at the food as it's just as one thing paying or stake. It's protein and it's like well now. There's iron in there. There's b. vitamins in there right and so <hes>. I think that that's a really interesting piece of the puzzle and that's exactly what he does is with his diet but it's mainly just meat. There's some room for some <hes> fruit and <hes> for him. There's some room for some dairy. If you can handle dairy and then that's kind of the the diet and small amount of vegetables. That's interesting yeah. That's really interesting. It works like a motherfucker fucking on. It's really good for like for strength like you'd love it for shrink and if you wanna cut on it obviously you tweak whatever works best for you for that but i think you'd like it. I've i've had comments in my videos asking me what my thoughts are on at night. Honestly you just never looked into it so i didn't know yeah. She'll be worth checking out interesting. He talks about like the podcasts. He just did a lot of info there and i think the the seminar tim and i like the whole thing cool. Wow that's awesome. You can check all that out definitely anyway. We gotta get to some training right. You're going to go for a big squad so we. We probably need a fuel you up. Get you some food. Actually i'm good with food like i said i trained fast so i had food a couple of hours ago. Okay i'm good. We're good to go all right. Let's get to it <hes>. Where can people find you guys on the internet. My instagram and twitter handle is at arianna a. r. i. a. and an a three underscores <music> are so that's where you can find on twitter instagram and then all of my my youtube is youtube dot com slash arianna reardon and then all the other fun fun stuff that i'm working on. We'll be in my instagram announcements and stuff coming soon so cool. Yes sir youtube dot com slash nick right in my i social media's are at nick right and w._b. Stick that's all time. We got strength as never week this week. There's never strained catch guys later.

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NPR News: 06-11-2019 12AM ET

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04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 06-11-2019 12AM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Shay Stevens. A former Watergate store witnesses. He sees similarities between that scandal and the findings of the Russia investigation, John dean was the White House counsel who helped bring down the Nixon presidency. He told a House Judiciary committee hearing on Monday that there are parallels between the two scandals when it comes to the USA, pardons, and I'll aggressions of -struction. Here's what President Trump has to say about John dean Villars. Villers for many years. So I've been watching him on one of the networks that is not exactly Trump oriented. And I guess they paid him a lot of money over the John's been a loser for a long time from filled reporters that unlike Nixon, he doesn't leave and that innocent people cannot be impeached. Meanwhile, House Democrats expected soon received the first files on the underlying evidence from Robert Muller's report, doodoo, -ciary committee, chair Jerrold, Nadler, says the Justice department will provide some of Muller's, most important files, and then all members of the committee will be able to see them is, as the files will include those used to assess whether President Trump obstructed Justice and provide a roadmap were investigating Trump. The deal was announced moments before John dean's appearance before the judiciary committee, opioid maker, insys therapeutics has filed for bankruptcy protection this coming just days after the company agreed to a two hundred twenty five million dollar settlement with the Justice department and pleaded guilty to fraud from member station. K G Z, Heather. Dan block land has more. The chapter eleven filing marks I among major US drugmakers accused in lawsuits of helping fuel the deadly opioid epidemic insists makes an under the tongue spray called subsists one hundred times stronger than morphine. It was approved by the FDA to treat certain types of cancer pain. Prosecutors argued the company bribed doctors to prescribe subsystem patients, many of whom did not have cancer in may five former insys executives were convicted of racketeering, charges, including founder and former billionaire John Kapoor shares of the company have plummeted more than ninety percent since may for NPR news. I'm Heather van block island in Phoenix New York City, a helicopter pilot was killed Monday as he crash landed on a midtown. Skyscraper just minutes after taking off from a heliport firefighters act quickly to contain fuel that leaked from the chopper, the crash sent shudders to the building and sent people fleeing Morgan Aries who works in the building was among them. Was there was moments whereas a little chaotic because you can imagine thirty floors trying to evacuate the same time. So there's where you had actually stop. And wait. And that's when the exciting start set in for several people start getting a little confused about what exactly happened. Mayor Bill de Blasios says there is no indication that the crash was terror related. The National Transportation Safety board said it is conducting an investigation into the cause of the crash Wall Street stocks closed higher. The Dow gaining seventy eight points. This is NPR news. The conspiracy theory website info wars as agreed to settle a copyright law suit from cartoonist met fury over there USA. Fury's cartoon frog Pepe as NPR's. Andrew Limbaugh reports the party settled for fifteen thousand dollars. The issue was a make America great again. Poster that info wars was selling the poster included. Depictions of President Trump Roger stone info wars, founder Alex Jones, and Pepe the frog. Pepe began as h he'll fun-loving, frog created by cartoonist Matt Furey for his comic book playtime as the twenty sixteen presidential campaign was ramping up was the premise and alt-right internet. Trolls began co-opting the image of the frog as a symbol since then fury's been trying to reclaim Pepe through legal measures in this settlement and force has agreed to pay a thousand dollars more than it made off the posters. They also agreed to destroying any remaining copies. And to never use the image of Pepi again. Angela Mbanga NPR news. A former army, staff sergeant will soon become the first living medal of honor, recipient for the war in Iraq. David Bolivia is being recognized for his actions during November two thousand four offensive against insurgents in the town, the flu when his platoon came under fire, Bolovia, what house to house engaging, enemy fighters and providing cover for his comrades. He killed four insurgents, the White House, the President Trump will honor biloba at a ceremony that is scheduled for June twenty fifth on stock markets in Asia shares are higher up one point eight percent and Shanghai. I'm Shay Stevens NPR news in Washington.

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Giant Jellyfish  And Great White Sharks  Spotted Off Massachusetts Coast

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13:10 min | 3 months ago

Giant Jellyfish And Great White Sharks Spotted Off Massachusetts Coast

"While so much has changed this past year. There is at least one thing that hasn't sharks. Great whites are still being spotted along. New England shores with four detected just today in the water, surrounding block island in Rhode Island, Oh and there's jellyfish, too. By the way giant jellyfish have been seen off the coast of Maine Cape. Cod and Rhode Island joining us now on the line. Is the Shark Guy in Massachusetts Greg's Gomel? He's a senior scientist at the Massachusetts Division of Maine. Fisheries Gregg welcome back to Radio Boston. Be here. Head out there. Do you have questions about? Sharks may maybe jellyfish or other ocean creatures on Massachusetts shores, or do you have any sightings you want share with us? Be Sharks or other eight, hundred, four, two, three, eight, two, five five. That's one eight hundred four to three talk to join the conversation, so greg four great whites in Rhode Island today, the shark tip APP, and that's so cool that we have one from the Atlantic White Shark Conservatory shows over twenty sightings in the past month. What is going on? Well, what's going on with normally goes on this time of year. You know as water temperatures, coastal water temperatures warm up in the late spring into the summer. summer visitors to the area include white sharks says as is the case with a number of fish species, so this is pretty much right on schedule. that. the sharks will be showing up right about now and and people will be taking notice and we get these reports. So yesterday, there was a video posted by the Atlantic White Shark Conservatory of a shark in. Very shallow water off the Louis, Bay area of southern Cape Cod basically a shallow bowl quote unquote of water. Did you see the video and what was going on there? no I did not. I did not see that video, but I will make it a point to look at it. I'm not sure what species I I doubt. It was a white shark, my guess. trae identified it yes, as a sandbar shark. That's right. So can you tell us what are they? What are Sandbar Sharks are they dangerous does one need to be concerned about them? Well you know. We tend to focus on white sharks because they get the most attention, but we get also understand there's about a dozen or so species of sharks that visit our coastal waters from the smaller dog, fishes, or sometimes referred to as sand sharks to some larger sharks like the sand bar or the sand tiger. You know you don't hear a lot about these fish because they're all for the most part, extremely harmless there occasionally picked up by fishermen that are they're targeting them or targeting other species from the shoreline. But their seasonal visitors here, too, and they take advantage of the rich waters that we have surrounding us that explode with life during the summertime. Let's go to the phones. One, eight, hundred, four, two, three, eight, five, five. That's eight hundred four to three talk to ask your question or tell us about your citing. We've got rob on the line from Maldon Rob. Go ahead. Hi I was just calling because I'm a scuba diver and I I'm curious about the threat of sharks and how to. If there's a way to be updated on the latest sightings, worst I could be more cautious in my diving. For that. Yeah Rob I. Appreciate. The question a diver as well and you know when we come to risk or threat from sharks. We you know all. We really got to go onto the statistics and the statistics clearly show that. the probability of being bitten by a shark is extremely low, and and very few. If any scuba divers have been bitten in Massachusetts You I recommend if you're interested in shark sightings, we try to post them as quickly as we can to. The Shark Titi APP which is a free APP. Put out by the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy I also cautioned people not to rely a hundred percent on that APP as a public safety application, because those sightings are put up opportunistically. It doesn't mean there's somebody always watching any particular area that you might want to go in, but doug give you a sense of the general distribution of sharks around around the Commonwealth. And Greg what should someone do if they see a shark? Well for the most part if you see a shark and you're worried about that shark. Think! It's dangerous shot and really the only dangerous shark. We're talking about here in Massachusetts is the the white shark you know the other dozen species are harmless so it's one of those other species like a sand Tiger Sandbar. Fish I would enjoy looking at it and take photos of it if you're underwater. Scuba diving, but if you're nervous, you're not concerned about what species it might be. Try to remain calm and leave the water slowly methodically. Don't splash just just get out of the water. To ask is silly. Follow up question. I think we're conditioned to think that all sharks are dangerous so in that moment of anxiety. How does one determine whether it's dangerous kinds or not? Well I mean for folks who are going to be swimming in areas where they think they might encounter a white shark, the Great White Shark, and that is the only real dangerous shark. We have in Massachusetts waters in the summertime. I would suggest you become familiar with how to identify these species and also get a sense of where these animals are occurring. You know we put a lot of our information up on the. The Atlantic White Shark Conservancy facebook page? We put a lot to the mass division of Marine fisheries, showing the areas where white sharks occur a lot of the media outlets. Cover it as well you know in particular. The Outer Cape is where we see the highest densities of white sharks, so if I were to be swimming in the Outer Cape Area I would probably proceed with caution as opposed to other parts of the state. Let's grab another call here. One, eight, hundred, four, two, three, eight, two, five, five. We've got Robert on the line from Westport Robert Go ahead. I think you questions about jellyfish and I have a sailboat. In westport, mass and it seems to be this year phenomenon that the big large red jellies came out in full bloom and as you guys know. Probably they sing a lot. They heard and they kind of interrupt my swimming ritual if you will, but I grew up with them in Long Island in safe harbor many many many years ago, and now all of a sudden I'm seeing here is this result of climate changes in water temperature changes because I've never seen him down here before I've been here. Say Eight nine years. Okay Robert thanks for that and Greg. If you'll sit tight, I want to bring in a voice who can help us answer that question and also talk about the jellyfish here here with us is Chris. Dollar, he supervisor of changing exhibits at the new. England aquarium he's been with the aquarium for fifteen years and worked with jellyfish. That whole time. Welcome to you, Chris. Thank you. So I'm guessing you can answer Roberts question just there. Yeah the one he's referring to. It's the it's the one that's making the news quite a bit lately. That's the the lion's Mane Jellyfish. Real, dark red appearance, and the answer is that they're actually pretty common in England they stretch all the way up into the Arctic and they can go all the way down the coast this year. like you, said we. We've been seeing quite a number of them, and they've been getting quite big. So you know whereas last year, we didn't see too many. They were there, but this year there's there's just been an outbreak, so we can see them right out our windows from the aquarium. We can see them in Boston, harbor. and. There are some big ones. Chris. Colleague of mine actually texted me just before the show, a picture of one that is wife saw just off the off the front of a Kayak. You Talk To. You saw five foot long lion's Mane, so so what is going on? We are seeing more. They are bigger. Why is that and how dangerous are they? Yeah it's it's the question. Everybody's asking why so big and why so many and we just don't really have a good answer at this point they need to eat, so if I had to make an educated guess, it's that there's more food in the water more food available to them they eat mostly plankton, they also eat other jellies in the water and whatever's out. Out there is enough to sustain them and get them to those huge sizes typically in new. England, the lion's Mane doesn't get much more than say dinner plate size, but like you said we've had reports come in that they've been four and five feet wide that's typical more in the colder climates so further north of here, not so much in in Massachusetts and surrounding areas. So! Let Me Bring Greg's Goma back into the conversation as well I. Don't know if the two of you have ever met before, but let me ask you both the other part of Rob Roberts question at a Westport was. Climate change is, are we seeing any changes of behavior in either of these species are increasing awareness and coexistence with them right along the shore that has to do with climate change. Greg maybe you can go first. That's fine. Sure you know there's been a tendency because the what is perceived as a sudden explosion in white sharks There's been a tendency to think that climate change associated with that, but I i. You know based on all the data we've got what we're seeing is highly correlated with the. The repopulation, the recolonisation of the areas by seals as results of conservation and regulations that were put in place decades ago. so really what the White Shark! What's happening with white sharks as they're moving in closer to short, take advantage of a growing a robust seal, popular population upon which they feed I think it's going to be interesting with regard to climate change how warming waters in particular, the Gulf of Maine changes the distribution of the seals because they tend to be temperate animals that prefer cooler areas, and how that impacts sharks down the road, so that'll be interesting and certainly something worth watching. And extra. We had a tweet question. Come in before we We're going to run out of time soon, so I want to get this one in. It said we were walking around LOB lolly Kovin. Rockport at the end of May and found a large gelatinous mass around the rocks at low tide. If it hadn't been so huge, I would have said it was a jellyfish. Is that possible? Based on everything we're hearing. It's it's absolutely possible. we again. We've seen pictures of them washing up on beaches that you know. People are lying down next to them to get some perspective, and they're definitely in the four and five feet wide range, so it wouldn't surprise me at all. So Chris Before I. Go back to to Greg. One more time there is one of question I want to ask you, and this is actually about the aquarium itself How are the? How are the animals? We've seen lots of viral videos about penguins at various aquariums Aquaria. There's an adorable Penguin Cam at the New England aquarium, but they've been without interactions through their visual stimulation of people through the aquarium for quite a while now, how are they doing? I would say everybody's doing great that the good news we've had a dedicated staff of animal care. Folks here throughout the pandemic, so we've. We've been interacting with the animals just like normal Everything's gotten extremely. Wonderful Care during this time. Well, we've been well. We've been shut down, but we're also very excited to have visitors revisit the aquarium once we reopened week. And Greg's coma back to you I know you get asked this question all the time, but since we're headed into our beach, weather or firmly in it now I'm GonNa. Ask you again. What is your message for beachgoers this summer? Well you know I. Always I always say you know similar things and that is. It's really important that people understand we are. We've evolved on land were terrestrial animals and any time we go in the ocean. It's a challenging environment for us, so no your own strengths and weaknesses in the ocean know what lives there. You know these big jellyfish sting and people ought to watch out for those. There may be sharks in those areas particularly along the outer cape that are feeding in shallow water, close to seals, and realize there's rip tides and currents that are extremely dangerous and have certainly taken more lives than sharks and jellyfish, so no your strengths and weaknesses in in the ocean. All right that's Greg Skull, senior scientist at the Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries and Chris dollar supervisor of changing exhibits at the New England. Aquarium thanks to both of you. Thank you. Thank you. It's been a pleasure.

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Coronas hard seltzer, Ubers new Work app, and Square processes CBD payments

Snacks Daily

15:16 min | 1 year ago

Coronas hard seltzer, Ubers new Work app, and Square processes CBD payments

"Jammed this is snacks daily this Friday before I got good news and bad news. The good news markets rose yester- bad news the bad news it was because the economy is looking so bad analysts expect the Fed to cut interest mortgage news. This is the best snacks daily up that we've ever put together and even more good news. We got three grand story stories wonderful mix blitzer number. One Square is a payment processor. It's going to start working with CBD shops so you can get your mother-in-law that cbd cream she asked for. It's a weird gift but the candidates industry is inching toward legality with new law. That just got passed. The law is called these safe banking. Ask second-story. Jack Corona is owned by a company called Constellation Brands. Just just announced its earnings report. The stock fell six percent but it's Japan into Spike Seltzer in corona away. WHO's is snacks daily jumping into who is doing spikes the third and final all story UBER. It pretty much invented the GIG economy now. It's going back to its roots of new purely GIG ECONOMY APP but before are we get into all that. We know what you're thinking. What you got to have a plan. Everyone needs plan experiences by AIRBNB. We've told you about him a couple times but it's taking things to the next level. He's got freaky freaky. Jack and I heard about this. We jumped in snack though it technically book anything. What are we got going on. AIRBNB has animal experience. Let's give you a quick example means. You can take your on vacation. It actually means nothing like that but you could do that. You're totally free to AIRBNB has a bunch of curated experiences that you can go on such as a tea party with sheep sheep in London's thing costs forty-one bucks and like got five stars so you're not booking airbnb place to say your booking a trip to have tea with sheep. Let's say the land isn't your thing and you're more four of the water type paddle boarding with Mr beaches the Corgi okay so we heard this really who's GonNa be spending their vacation at Fort Lauderdale. Doing this apparently two hundred and eighty four people who left reviews news yeah pretty good reviews because you stand up pal and a little dog a very well trained down to likes the water. We stand on the front of the board. Now Corey's can do anything but the third one we found was like this is when you want to get out there because the first two were domestic animal a dog other kind of cool the last one is a wild animal you can go play with Arctic foxes in ice and this isn't a small thing not only you gotta get to Iceland. This is a nine hour excursion with like only a couple of other. I hope bear grylls is the leader of that explode do anything with grills even if it involved that tea party with sheep daily. Lots of rain food is Candy Candy. They don't reflect the views of her family is still informational just so get not recommending any securities. It's not a research report or investment advice uproar sale of security digestive business music video. LLC members SIPC happy see jared sitting here wondering for like years who is going to do with the Uber for staffing. It's a it's a need. That's that's GONNA be Hoover. It's it's going to be doing this. Uber just came out with Uber War right because you know there's already Uber Rights Uber Uber Freight and now there's Uber War for rounding out the Brady Bunch here. It's for temp workers to find work and the most famous corker ever. Are You thinking Ryan Howard Ryan. How high now from the author makes a lot of Thunder Mifflin. Now Uber's got a situation going on right. It's Got Prophet. It's in search of a prophet puppy. Uber had an insanely huge loss last and it needs to find a business line. That's actually going to deliver profits in the short term Uber Rides ubereats. It's too like biggest businesses. They're not bringing enough revenue to cover the cost that means they're not profitable and if this new California California law that requires them to treat drivers as employees goes mainstream. We mentioned this one like a month ago. Profitability will get even worse for Uber's Corbis because they're going to have to start paying for benefits and other things that employees get gig workers now. Uber is basically trying out a new bit so if you're uber here's the situation you just IPO. You're basically like a former college student. Who just graduated yeah. You don't know what to do with their skills are trying things out. Maybe a little delivery do little taxi work at the family business and some money but you're a covering your rent. You got to figure things out if only Uber had a better guidance counselor and that's why they're focusing on a new area that they think could become a prophet puppy. It's is called Uber Works and it's pairing temporary workers with businesses that need temporary work purest form version of the UBER APP. I downloaded downloaded uber was jumped in snacks in the APP store. It only nine reviews a ridiculously small number for something you've old disclosure jacks like side housing. There's a painter now these days so if you are thinking about downloading the APP. It's going to walk you through. It's GonNa try to sell you on it. Yeah you can find work opportunities that fit your schedule and fit your skills skill Jack. This is incredible. Tell us more about and then. It's got three images to like help you. Imagine what you might do what you're seeing here. What do you got a man moving chairs. At an event sounds exciting. You got a woman boxing things. In some generic wear sounds hard but nice wear and then he got a guy cleaning dishes with rubber gloves on smiling or you don't see faces. Actually they're all vaguely smiling okay. That's their like working. Happy happy like rods like Uber Rides. An Algorithm is going to set the wage based on supply and demand so let's say it's holiday time and not many workers are are available. The prices are gonNA. Go Up to attract them into doing your Gig work prices of course being dollars per hour you get so there's GonNa be surged pricing. You can make some money now. Even though this is like a new thing for Uber it's not a new thing overall. Yes fiber and up work or both publicly traded companies that do freelance work. Freelance is kind of just the more professional national version of Gig work but here's the APP. That's making it possible to connect someone with the need with the someone willing to do. The war starts Chicago as of yesterday now. I'm a little freaked down here because I know what you're think after each Gig Gye know what you're thinking. You're going to get rate. You're going to get get five stars on an Uber Ride. You can't five star rating a funny way. Jack and I also get rated. We dare every day by the way if you WANNA drop five stars to rate this podcast. You're more than welcome to we would love it in the meantime Jack. What is the takeaway for our buddies overdue but this this could avoid Uber's whole independent contractor problem ever that California Law that Jack just mentioned that's about how they're going to treat drivers as employees potential. It's going to raise as costs for workers by like thirty percent over but a core element for that for Uber is at its core business happens to be drivers yes and that is the the test of the California Cornea Law for Uber Uber's entering a new space. It's now the pure pure middleman. It's not just about tax. Remember that test. If it's the core business then we have to treat them like employees. No one's going to say that catering the wedding or painting the House or whatever happens on UBER IS UBER core won't have to treat those workers as result as employees were just takes a fee from the business that signs up and it's nice and clean up potential profit puppy for second-story liquor legend Constellation Brands. It's doctors doctors fell six percent but it's getting into Corona Seltzer which we're calling corona sprint. He's wanting to say that for so long because legend it is not just a liquor company. No A vice company. It's such a vice coming they own corona which by the way is like ninety nine point nine percent gluten for your hedging yourself off there. I noticed with there's a smidge of gluten gluten but it's basically gluten free bears this thing and it's delicious own. Robert Mondavi Wines Yep Robert Mandavi is an Italian American legend who put Napa Valley Vineyards on the act saying that because he's part of their wine club and they own high West whiskey in. They've got balanced point beer in they've got PACIFICA. Africa Constellation is a full liquor cabinet now. Everyone you know only heard this earnings. It seemed like the company was doing pretty. Well beer sales rose by seven percent last quarter now before okay overall sales sales were up two percent from last year but one situation here just like you can invest in stocks companies can invest in stocks and Constellation bought four billion dollars of the stock of canopy growth which is a cannabis come. It's the world's biggest cannabis company one problem that investment just lost one point three billion dollars last quarter as S. canopy stock dropped yet canopy stock dropped from forty eight sixty when constellation bought four billion of the shares to thirty six forty five what they are now. The core business of constellations insulation is profitable and doing well but overall had a loss because of that Downer canopy investment so that's why the stock fell six percent but that's not what we're focused on. We're focused stone forwards forwards ready. Corona branded hard cells. Let that sink in. It's coming. What are you doing with the lime in that situation. I think you put it in. I think you always put it and we also talked about four flare. Get this. Here's the Topical Line my God. That is a terrible idea tropical lime beer seltzer. Yes sounds bad okay. We're GONNA see other. Flavors are mango. Cherry blackberry sounds like a hazing opportunities like a sorority so we got a corona alcoholics seltzer coming and that's because of the trend alchoholic seltzer sales sales tripled in the past year not a justification to get into tropical wine flavored sparked seltzer but they're doing anyway yeah. I'm concerned about that. Tropical wine flavored again. They may go back to the drawing board on that one Jack. What's the takeaway for our buddies over constellation. You don't just jump into a new alcohol category you strategize and all you do it soup strategically in fact. We noticed three things in this announcement that led us to that. Take away the management said. Spike Seltzer had an impact on our bear franchise. That's the reason why they're getting into this is because has spikes shelters actually taken away from the beer market. Hawker all summer they also said spiked Seltzer as quote unquote here to stay no laws when you're drinking clause and Dan. This is the third and final thing we noticed that was the biggest of them all. They think that these spikes seltzer trend is going from low end to high end so right now. You've got truly and white cloud the low end. We're talking like Bachelor Party here. Constellation thinks it can position itself at the high end of these spiked Seltzer and they said quote unquote. That's where we have the most market share when when you're pricing things a little bit higher and that's they think they can win for our third and final story square the payment processor will start working with sellers. Get the dummies out. This comes after news last month shop ECOMMERCE platformer well. We covered handles all your e commerce. Yep It started letting. CB companies use shop now square saying hey. We know that you're swiping buying that almond milk lot. It's got those little tablets in the little terminal you can stick your credit card and they're very square and they always say. Do you want to tip twenty percent and you're like no because I just bought a bar full disclosure. This is a pro tipping point. Yeah we ask for very much into dipping but what they're saying is hey now. We're going to let CBD selling in companies and shops use our payment processor. We're seeing CBD and cannabis to a lesser extent moving from the black market which is a legal to the white market which is legal in the meantime. They're in like a grey market. There's definitely some shades of lack of clarity on this one for example. CBD has been legalized federally because it comes from hemp and hemp became legal when the farm bill passed Congress earlier this year but here's the problem technically cannabis which is different than him is still illegal federally yes and the result we're. GonNa Shifting to cannabis here the result of federal illegality for cannabis even in states where it's legal. It's illegal for banks to work with cannabis case. He's in point. Let's say you're walking around Berkeley California. Maybe to stopped. You got a nice juicy. Maybe not able there's a cannabis shop on your left. California has legalized cannabis but if you try walk into this candidate shop you're going to be met with a TSA style metal detector and a bunch of warning signs. They're going to see a bunch of warnings say we take cash cash only cash and inside the shop. There's GonNa be a full. I'll just stock full of ATM's because you didn't bring enough cat exactly and that's because it's a federal crime for a bank to be involved in transactions of an illegal nature and this is what's known as anti money laundering laws yes so hemp is legal but cannabis is still federally illegal so banks. Thanks don't want to be involved in any company doing anything even animus even if it's just CBD even if it's in a state where it's been legalized Sir Jack. What's the takeaway if you're a shop just trying to sell some. CD OR CANNABIS LACK of financial services is keeping both industries down. This is the banking bottleneck loans electronic payments bank accounts. Those haven't been available for cannabis company except there is a recent development last month the safe banking act S A F E it was passed by the House and its head to the Senate Eh. If it becomes law it will allow banks to work with cannabis companies that are doing legal business in the state like California where it's been leak and there's about ten states that have done that legalization so that would allow cannabis companies to stop working with Pat and pen cashing cashier and keep all their cash vault with let them join the modern financial in the meantime banking is the bottleneck almac when it comes to cannabis Jack. Can you whip takeaways for us over there uber just rolled out another APP. It's called Uber Work and this APP for temporary could become it's elusive profit puppy constellation. Constellation brands stock tanked on news that its cannabis investment has performed badly but it's Japanese hard with like the Spike Seltzer with Corona Hard Seltzer which is top shelf hearts out the third and final story squares welcoming. CBD companies to its electronic payment universe and it's because cannabis is moving slowly from the black market two shades of gray and banking's the bottleneck time for a snack today this one sent in by our Apron Lovely Schenectady New York. Yes it's connecting New York. Ge Plant home my my grandfather work yeah works at GE and she works in the Wind Power Jenner now are we spent a Lotta time crunching the numbers here. Jack and I had to get an advocate at ti eighty three and three chalkboards double check the stuff so the top offshore wind farm in America is just off the coast of block island. I've seen it Gerald Island very nice player. It produces thirty megawatts of power okay and phone in a year that is two hundred sixty two million kilowatt hours number following you still now an electric vehicle has a tank and it goes about sixty kilowatt kilowatt out. Give or take you know these tanks and each tank goes two hundred forty miles before you have to reach our okay here. We go wind power. Faciliate Block island produces one billion miles sales of energy. I'm following a big number. Got It down her year average lift rat Yup Nick six-mile okay not that far in conclusion. Yes the Wind Empower Facility Awful Block Island Rhode Island of course has one hundred seventy five million lifts of energy per year exactly already knows her favorite unit of measurement on the left laugh. Now that are crushing our we present us your address because we gotta get you a T. Ball. She deserves this teaboy. Not Remember to send us your snack facts robinhood snacks looping with you guys. Thanks for snack and we'll be back with you Monday. Have a great aunt. Wait the Robin Hood snacks podcast. You just heard reflects the opinions of only the host who are associated persons of robinhood financial. LLC and does not reflect the views of robinhood markets inc her any of its subsidiaries or affiliates. 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Jeremy Dutcher in concert

Unreserved

54:09 min | 11 months ago

Jeremy Dutcher in concert

"This is a CBC podcast. Don Say and Nin Buju hello and welcome. This is unreserved on. CBC Radio One. I'm Rosanna dear. Child dialed Jeremy. Dutcher is a truly unique artist. A classically trained operatic tenor and a member of the toby first nation in New Brunswick. Jeremy won the two thousand eighteen. Polaris prize for his album will list equivocal into wagon Awas which combined his own. Compositions wins with archival recordings. In his language we'll list equate is music is both an echo of the past. And a reclamation of the future by combining combining old recordings of his ancestors with his own strong full voice he creates a beautiful new story. We caught up with them along. Along with musicians Gregory Harrison and blanche Israel at the Spirit Song Festival in Saint. John's Newfoundland in late November. And I'm going to share that concert with you on the show today. So let's head to the stage at the arts and Culture Center in Saint. John's to hear Jeremy Dutcher live in concert the D. quick to all my relatives. Hello I think about that. Sometimes I like to learn all the songs that the people here I love to listen to those rose and and seeing those people saying you know there's not only meet a lot of people fearing assaults back and when you run the songs by. He didn't bring the dance is where you're going to bring people back. It would bring everything back. Yeah it'd be just like what we when we first started. We brought the music. Ah brought the sweat lodges on here TV. Their own the place we people I make illegal so you think communicate a lot to do with that right. Basic issue does really music will bring you uh-huh and UH And and UH Audrey Avenue uh-huh Uh uh-huh Announcing more In two thousand Insane second to celebrate upskill Sing mm-hmm it is as well UH We will Uh So thank you the brought some friends with me today day on this trustee little ancestor player also known as an IPAD and this next song is a song that was collected close to Saint Mary's first nation in New Brunswick and it's a song that was collected in one thousand nine hundred seven seven by this man named Jim Paul. So we're going to invite him to come and join us through time and space to the magic of technology. This is a canoe song. And then we'll show you how we do it Hi Run island. Edgar as block island man. I water is life. Pray for the water uh-huh a And UH Data Arts Aw that's Hi uh-huh This is unreserved. I'm Rosanna dear. Child and you're listening to Jeremy. Dutcher recorded live in concert at the Spirit Song Festival in Saint. John's let's head back to the concert. Stage each for a track called In general Aw Go Aw aw. Aw Hello Rush uh-huh aw Eh for a All in a uh-huh uh-huh eh a And it the shit like we're under our ancestors tonight or something. The space is so beautiful hum. There's for those who can't see it. There's lights coming down. In our language we call them possess a window. The Star pupil will most people wouldn't want to tour the east coast in winter. And I would be one of those people and yet here. We are when I started to do this. You know these songs in this work. My mother says 'cause That's you know what that means. You got to go around and share it with the woman archaic because this music lives here and it has to live here so I set out on booking a very ambitious tour in the middle of December member in the East Coast here But it's for my mother and so if you're talking with her let her know we're out here and we are cold. I did not pack a good coats. Yeah law. You're listening to Jeremy. Dutcher recorded wooded live in concert of the Arts and Culture Center and Saint John's as part of the Spirit Song Festival in late November. I'm Rosanna dear child. This is unreserved. Let's let's get back to the music. Shall we live in concert. This is Jeremy Dutcher and Sakamoto. It Own the It aw UH UH oh And he on. Aw Oh Eh Go ahead go uh-huh Uh Oh uh UH uh-huh and UH mm-hmm And Uh I am new you that if you Uh It it was really fun. Thank you so much for listening to US thing. Like I said you know this. This exchange that we are partaking in tonight is one that goes back centuries of realistic STOIC and coming together to share our music and dance and our songs together so thank you for being here to witness that we hope you felt the spirit of love that we try to enter every room we enter with and on that note. We're GONNA end with a love song and I hope that folks might be willing to to sing with us. Yes yes I know you wondering when this is fine and all but when are we gonna get to see an answer is now so but it's really simple and some people say well. I'm no singer that's really something but you know I save it for the shower. Our not tonight tonight. We're in this together. This style and the lovely blache Israel will help us out. She's GonNa Player note And we're just GONNA slide in the middle there so you won't play their enough for them on this side of the world but second. Yeah you're laughing but you're no tire whom to also colby Okay so what we're going to do. Thank you so much he has a really good of this This one's going to be fun. So we're going to create this. Continuous sounds called a drone. And there's only one trick to this kind of singing together just breathe when you need two and then enter back in if you want to. Okay okay I understand talking. We're GONNA do this love Song Mall. I love you so much this now. I really do mean this. This whole project of Canada that we're all doing is a love story Eh. Sometimes a crooked one. Sometimes you need a little help the soundtrack and and see each other as brothers and sisters and everything in between. I don't know if you feel it. I feel it in a way that hasn't been done before. And so that's really exciting citing so I hope you can carry the energy that that we've given you and the loved that we hope you felt and take it out into the world. Thank you so much to this wonderful festival. And it's beautiful venue for making this possible is such a pleasure. Let's do it again sometime. and G Do Suck Uh Um Hum Look ooh mm-hmm a a G Lou UH cool Scott in G Ah Eh Gee the is a Uh Aw Uh You do a ooh cool uh Uh Uh and that was Jeremy Dutcher and love song recorded live at the Spirit Song Festival. In Saint John's he was joined on stage by Gregory Harrison and blanche Israel thanks to recording engineer Terri. Windsor and producer analysts. Canelas ski for bringing that show West End to the staff at the Arts and Culture Center in Saint. John's if you want to hear that show again it's available on on our podcast feed just had to every get your podcasts and download that episode. That's it for this week's we'll be back in this radio space next week for community culture culture and conversation. This episode was produced by Stephanie. Cram Zoe Tenant Kyle New Zepa. An analyst Hausky special. Thanks to Brian Harder this week. H I'm your favorite cousin. Rosanna dear child coming at you from Winnipeg Entreaty Wad territory. Thank you for listening to unreserved on. CBC Radio One. I go say For More C._B._C.. PODCASTS GO TO C._B._C.. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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1.25 The Pequot War

The Political History of the United States

28:18 min | 1 year ago

1.25 The Pequot War

"Hello and welcome to the political A decent things weren't perfect recall miles standish and the weather gusset incident however what came out of West Agus it was widespread distrust of the pilgrims programs a devastating series of disease had absolutely ravaged the New England tribes these diseases simply decimated them this would have been a huge deal for the English war like we're going to see breakout in sixteen thirty six the end of the war will also mark a relatively long term peace between the native American and the English which would last for nearly forty years until the outbreak of King Philip's war by and large the relationship between the native Americans and the English Massachusetts was enforce them to act as navigators it was the night that he took the hostages that a group of quads boarded stones ship free the hostages and then killed stone and some of his men they asked the English to come settle along the river likely as a check against growing aggression from the quotes tensions would however begin to rise in sixteen thirty four amongst English truth to the idea that quads didn't want to face the fury of the English and that this accidental killing story is just that a story this gets us to the the Captain Johnston was murdered by the Watts the tread claimed that this was done in retribution for a Dutch murder of one of their shaman stone was English is going to be impossible however you can point to the fact that in New England there is not a person anywhere near as powerful as say powered or Shinkin up in the years before the rush because the New England tribes were nowhere near Prime fighting shape there is no definitive answer of when the nation moved into New England however there is some evidence pointing to the in many cases of banded together with the English to fight against the tribe if you recall from last time the river tribes in Connecticut had been anxious enough that at Dutch however that might have been something lost upon the quotes this is an interesting position for the request to have taken in many ways as we will see in a moment there might have been some we'll come to long defined the relationship between the English New England and the local Indian tribes this war stands out as the first major engagement we see between the native trade was affected and nobody really wanted anything to do with them what didn't do however was spur on any future reprisals conflicts certainly nothing like the sixteen twenty two eventually he was accused by William Bradford of working with the Minister John Linford to undermine and destroy the Plymouth Government Oldham was literally chased out yeah that is important here that we are careful not to make mistakes and quit stone and his actions on the same mission where stone was killed he had taken to quash his hostages they may have been relative newcomers to the region we know for example that none of the other Indian nations in the region were terribly anxious to come to their aid during the war and in fact past several episodes I have mentioned the tribe and the growing workloads that had begun to dominate New England this week it is time for us to get down into the war and examining conflict stone and his men were now dead either way at this point we are now left with a dead colonist an-and upset leadership group back in Massachusetts even in the best of times there was massacre in Jamestown had ever occurred following the West gusset incident the local Indians never really seen taking a very aggressive stance towards settlers and for the most part a peaceful rolling out of control a fever pitch was reached in May of Sixteen thirty six a May twentieth trader named John Gap Spotted Oldham's boat which always a layer of nerves when it came to dealing with the Indians ever since the sixteen twenty two massacre in Jamestown colonists remained acutely aware of the dangers of native population breath well people attempted to beat him with the butts of their muskets I had promised that in that episode Oldham would make one more appearance in this podcast just to quickly die already upset that the quotes had failed to turn over two stones murderers and this goes along with additional tensions that had really formed in the past few years as a result of the European expansion it does seem that a year or so after the killing a minor chief was put to death by the Greater Narragansett tribe for being the leader in the killing of Oldham the problem here is that despite the mystic river valley of the southeastern portion of Connecticut with the because failing to turn over captain stones murderers things were quickly spiral was being swarmed with Indians Oldham had been traveling on a training mission with the Narragansett when his boat was attacked according to the account later from Gallup he inevitable war the evidence actually suggests that the murder was carried out by the NARRAGANSETT S- informants among the tri point to the Narragansett says being the culprits and autumn's very recently killed body Gallup described a grisly scene not only with Oldham debt but the evidence was that the Indians had attempted to cut off his limbs and right or wrong the English now had their justification for war the question now becomes why did the English come looking for a fight if imminent comes from Lieutenant Lying Gardner Gerner was the first commander of Fort Saybrook for Saybrook is located along the southern coast of Connecticut Gerner early vacation as he felt that his location at the furthest point of the Connecticut River would make him a prime target for fighting which ultimately would be correct about aircraft and the English in New England well there was that incident between the Plymouth colony and the massacre it was a gusset that remains an isolated incident and never developed into a full fledged since way back in episode eighteen when we were talking about Plymouth during the sixteen twenty s I talked about John Oldham if you recall John Oldham was seen as a rabble rouser and Plymouth touch it's largely a secondary point stone had taken quite sausage and regardless of the motivation of Quatz be a mission for rescue retribution is that there is very little evidence to show that Oldham had been killed by the Quad tribe even at the time there were a lot of people who felt that the evidence implicating the quotes in the the these warnings were issued before the Oldham killing this means that by the time John Oldham was killed were was already looking like a likely outcome the problem however is issue ship for him during the first decade and a half throughout New England well we can debate why the call in New England had so much better relationships with the Indians than down Jamestown Naronha down to a single thing as many sources suggest the cause of the quart was largely protect jewel. Why did the English want to pick the fight in the first place to answer this the first question is to figure out why Tom had managed to become a respected member in the Bay Connie aunt seems to have done rather well for himself having established himself as a well respected trader the English were if you have been sitting around for the past six episodes wondering when I was going to get back to John Oldham and his death well the time is now upon us following being chased from Plymouth so in one corner you have a harder fight with less sizeable wealth available and not sitting in a strategic position that the English cared about nearly as much boom that could potentially pay huge dividends in the future they could effectively eliminate one of their hated rivals the Narragansett it's were also working with a pretty expansion now of course it's not going to be as cut and dry as the English settlers just declaring war is that the Massachusetts Bay Colony formed the Qian style warfare regardless of who they fought the message wouldn't be lost on anybody the English lacked the manpower for a two front war against both the more than disliked the Narragansett for the English eight war would provide them with the opportunity to further cement their place in New England a chance to show the natives the might of year amount of cover here it was hard for the colonial leadership to believe that the Narragansett would set out on some grand conspiracy to kill one of their most valued trading partners aerob- Narragansett who killed all them who was at the time trading with them it is possible that the Narragansett it's believed that Oldham had or was planning to switch side to the quads murderer was weak at best decisions therefore had to be made on if they were going to place the blame on the because and use it as justification for what already seemed like an mm-hmm was worth a lot to the Narragansett economically on the surface at least killing him made little sense they would eliminate a close trading partner while at the same time bringing the bank underhill who was kind enough to leave behind a history of his involvement underhill makes clear that these strike on block island was to seek retribution Oldham the first strike involved in the other corner you had a tribe that was universally hated by the other trump's new England they had more wealth to capture and they held important strategic point for the English to check dot is located off the eastern shore of Long Island roughly sitting a straight line away between the point of Montauk Martha's vineyard the second in command was kept in jail there weren't enemy that had more value in terms of the villages and wealth that they possessed the quads were any more strategic location for the English as well defeating the the anger to their doorstep the biggest question therefore is how does all of this ultimately fell upon the shoulders of the quotes well for one thing the English disliked the quads I want to make about the scale of fighting well it may be tempting to envision a European war with large armies that would be very incorrect vision I said a moment ago according to underhill only about ninety men landed on block island as of this point there was not a massive military apparatus in North America and here is where everybody comes to a crossroads a May Twentieth Sixteen thirty six but day that Oldham was killed were with because it was looking increasingly likely a clue that the quads had to predictably hand over the killers of captain stone at the same time there was a demand for a greater amount of tribute to be paid the this generally reflected a sixteen thirty four treaty which was put into place after the killing of captain stone except this time there was more tribute involved the quads regardless it is important to remember that for the Narragansett their biggest rival was the book what's getting the English to ally with them during the war was awesome ninety Englishman who struck the island with vengeance in strict kill all native mills this plays out like a scorched earth campaign the English only we're one or two back during the sixteen hundreds in North America specifically the population could not support a large army either in the manpower to fight or the power standing council which was responsible for all military matters under the leadership of John winthrop junior the son of John with rope and ultimatum was given to the quotes she managed to kill around a dozen men but they were able to burn villages and creating general havoc most of the Indians had fled into the woods rather than trying to engage with the English supply the men doing the fighting this means that engagements are going to be small bands of men and not anything close to resembling a large professional army it is the truth being that the quad probably had nothing at all to do with the death of Oldham they English were angry and they wanted revenge the PA- quads were already causing enough problems for the English predictably ignored these demands and one month after the ultimatum of his shoot the opening salvos of Qua- war were fired fighting began on August twenty fifth oh sides would have covered a working with all them and more importantly wanted to assure that Oldham didn't switch sides and help the enemy if the information we have is correct and it was this wasn't without merit as he quickly found himself being at the brunt of the attacks as would be a problem throughout all of Connecticut issues the booklets having little interest in any direct engagement with English manage to survive in greater numbers early on at least however this does come at an absolutely terrible twenty two virginia all of these new communities are spread out which makes defense a much more difficult task for the quads it made their lives that much easier so you're in sixteen thirty six had baked the bay colony to exercise leniency and not go out and do something to provoke war with the Quatz at least until he could finish his cost them the English were left essentially unopposed to burn and destroy villages food supplies everything they found now a few points that arose from the rapid growth that the region had seen because there had been a rush of people coming to form new settlements everybody had inadvertently spread out and Eldon found himself in a position like this during the sixteen thirty s a bitter rivalry emerged between the NARRAGANSETT and the quotes as a major trader a strategy of harassment this isn't a terrible plan for the quotes knowing that they couldn't stand directly against the English forces regardless of how small they were they used a series of this made weather's field a target of interest for the quotes on April twenty third the because attacked moving I at the men working in the fields even backing Europe during this time this is not the era of huge pitched conflicts you're not for example going to see the numbers that you'd see during the Napoleonic wars or grain world underhill said that they the English continued on with this belief until they got themselves into an advantageous position where they could attack however even once sixteen thirty six under the command of John into cop the first strike was to be one against block islet near were old had been killed Walk Island hit and run style attacks to harass the English now if you recall from a moment ago I talked about lying Garner wanting to wait until he had fortified his fort saybrook relatively limited and before we move on a quick side note about this girls they would ultimately be saved by the Dutch the attack on whether field was shocked ends our NATO from weather's field to carry out the attack commanded by John Mason and underhill the group was led by Narragansett scout to a settlement? What's in their gadgets they were going to have to pick one in sixteen thirty six the near again that's had more allies would have been more difficult fight the Buchwald's for on the one hand this makes sense you don't want to start to grow a community that is just going to crash into another one the issue however is that much like with what we saw back in sixteen and fight alongside them the Narragansett guides had vastly superior working knowledge of quasi locations in the woods and provided the English with a huge advantage and just the men that were dying it was everybody men women children everybody running out of the village to flee the fire was fair game those that from their own lives in the first place the slaughter was shocking for just about everybody involved the Indian guys were horrified at the extent of the English the because would strike a major blow in April of sixteen thirty seven at weather's field today a suburb of Hartford weather's field lays just to the south of modern not having expected the women and children to be fair game when John Underhill himself one of the leaders of this massacre wrote his history of the event the Mystic River valley the near Ganz had told the English of a large fortification near the mystic river the village was home to somewhere between four hundred he wants to give them a better version of himself than is being reported wrongfully of course in other accounts in addition to that underhill goes on for pages talking about it would precede you moved through the town killing livestock destroying food

John Underhill Hartford Mystic River valley Buchwald Ganz twenty fifth forty years two stones one month one hand
Bodies Stacked & The Dirty Pilot

Bad In The Boondocks

1:12:07 hr | 8 months ago

Bodies Stacked & The Dirty Pilot

"Today's episode of bad in the Boondocks first of all me Andrew are back in the same room at the same time. And I'm GonNa tell you a tale of Marcus Wesson Jerus- GonNa tell you a tale of Willis Brown you're listening to bad in the boondocks baby Hey and welcome to bad in the Boondocks as always I'm one of your host. Stay and Jerus- How's it going? Everybody it's going pretty good. I'm just I'm super excited. Glad that we are here because together we was together right sure. Well Yeah Yeah this grand. That's it today. I'm a tiny bit still but not real sick. All you sound like never mind. I'll say like country Fokker. No I was just talking about milk in it. You sound like somebody over trying to get well. Nobody takes care of me so nothing to milk. My wife Cities God Dude. But anyway speaking of country he motherfucker. We're not just the other day we were just talking about first of all. Let me tell you this and this is really pissed me off and made me upset. Cram CON. They were jaded us so we won't be there this year as expected. I guess because we're pure shit I guess so I guess so. But if we'RE NOT ABSOLUTE PURE SHIT. Please write us on. Apple. Maybe next year we can get into crump. Gone All be great either. Write us on Apple Pie chaser or stitcher. Yeah way or spotify way yes spotify Google. Yeah Okay and I might add that link in our notes but speaking of hit while talking the other day we've gone road and I was like you know drew because we go to the gym every day together and we ride bat and I'm like you know city folk folk folk and by city folk. I mean if you've got a thousand people you've got a big acid folk but if they go and go shopping and they go back to their truck or car and they try to cry and it don't cry They call maybe take shots Sam to the damn expensive no city folk call roadside assistance or their husband. Why it'd be like call start? Oh No but you know True Truth Truth Huck and Contra Boys what we do is me tell you some we crack the hood we get a hammer we start man William Battery older battery. Okay and then we say it's good. Sure sure enough. Crank them right. Oh that's the difference. There's another difference. We used to go fishing and we will stay tonight at River. Loci we had no damn window onto trump no. It was too dark the time we had a win. Oh yeah but it was too hot summertime so we were sleeping. Oh for a few hours just to say this was a nice Ram with him when the Henry. Okay so we do have. We do have for the site. The compound Edward known as the how it be in me Andrew. It's hot as hell because it's the middle of summer which means in the nighttime it's about eight force well. She got rolled around the wind. As you know. But then you've got twenty million Mosquitos okay. I don't really know why we do. Well guess what. Guess what daddy does guess what stand us. You know what this time that we go fishing. My daughter's got a damn canopy. Hannah pee on her bed. That's fine looks like a mosquito net. My daughter don't want that canopy no more so I cut that shit off. That's exactly what I did. I cut the shit off. We go. He went to the river and this time. Guess what Roldan Windows Down because guess what Stan had some duct tape to gorilla tape we use real or not duck tape that canopy right to the to the windows. Guess what no more snow more mosquitoes spreading. It was pretty. It was cooler. It was cool and no mosquitoes think that idea. Yes well now about tell them about our Kurt before that they had to Redo before that I just wanted to say in wants whenever we were driving the grain truck at he got into Iraq. We stopped at this place. I've been in a few red. Yeah in every wreck totals my vehicle in Achim. We stopped at this place. I so the truck of course will not crank. We popped up the hood. We fiddled with it and then Baghdad Bob Lanka. We banged it. It wasn't star so here comes this guy. He come over here now so us. Oh you need to jumpstart Pale notice. I know but do you. Do you have some heavy metal? Yep something have you ever rent or any pulled out the hammer Bam Bam Bam like. He was looking at us. The strangest way but guess what burn we said we said. Okay try it now. Bam you crank right up. So don't we go to podcast room and our occurred well. Curtain falls due to a curse. You called into your decorator put up a new damn thing to hold up a new current one the bitch. You'RE GONNA pay an honest. The other bars for a new curtain. Non Dot gorilla tape will work actually. I didn't use gorilla tape. That is the name. Oh that's why fail. You had to Redo it today. Yeah debris do well it fail the thing to on? Hold it the little ball thing will. That's gone so about my little so I've been the Middle Hook us was to hold it up and you just read that tape right around their whole. Just nice look at that. 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That's about it if you won't see our Little rigged up curtain. I'll post that today. Hell Yeah so you can go see that and and we've got goes back not so we can't even walk out the noise walkout choice to make if y'all could see us if y'all were in our rain hopefully I wouldn't be able to fit because too many of you but if y'all were in our room this is some. I won't even say Ghetto Shit. This is some red neck mob ship. Okay we have got about. Our walls are stapled or old with with roses with roses. Foam mattress toppers walls walkout. That sound okay. We do have some nice expensive soundproof. Curtains and Fr- behind each of you know however the rest of this rheumatism. It's a redneck. She is fun We do have a have a house is not a home without a Dawson yes our weenie don or to enter birthday bag in. Houston this household three weeks three weenies well on the big ears a little wing. I know right. I'm the one that made you okay. Well anyways I think that we're going to go hit and jump on into these stories. Well you go first. It's Tom because okay. Well mine is all Marcus West. Alka Nath Road. I'm still horses to take. I'm going to have to take a drink of course because my throat so Gupta I heard comes good for your throat. But I'm not trying wildwood anybody. He'd be no that that's what I was told all right. I'm GONNA DO Marcus Wesson. And he's known as the Vampire King of Fresno the date March twelfth. Two thousand four this. He looks a mess picture. This officers are called to a scene. A West Hammond Avenue in Fresno California where a heated argument over custody breaking out. Once they're officer speak to Ruby Ortis and SOFINA Solorio along with some family members who are with them. They are worried to the point of panic. Claiming their children are being held captive inside the rundown office building. They are adamant that the man inside their uncle Marcus Wesson. It's going to hurt their children. So the police knock on the door to speak to Wesson and try to resolve the issue. A titanic which means a big motherfucker of a man with grain dreadlocks down to his waist. Nappy answers the door. How much you weigh fo o about wandered about the bat right? Turn not a follower what he say whenever they answered the door. Well you do miss. He was calm and cooperative. He agreed to turn over the children but he wants to tell him goodbye. I So we asked the officers to wait right there. White Rot there. Let me go us on Google car and closed the door. Nope well the neighbors later. Say that they heard gunshots. But but but the police deny hearing anything or whatever warrants without a warrant or any indication that there's a safety issue. The police don't have the authority to enter the Western House. So they wait however let me tell you they wait for nearly an hour and a fucking half. I think so. I don't care if I hear anything. It don't take an hour and a half to say Gerber no give. He was taking okay. They came to take the children. They came there and check out because people were frantic that he was going to hurt that. You Okay and they go and not to take children there. They were there to check on it. Okay take children or whatever but they not on the door. He answers looking like a fucking mess with dreadlocks down. Conway's loot like he's on crack right as a I'll turn or let me go by and then shut the door. They're like okay less. He can't go back an hour and a half later. They really that makes no sense. Some police officers are stupid whenever they're in training and have to endure the whole tasers test. I think it does something to their brain. Oh so I think so. Okay at least these author because we're tired after nearly an hour and a half full. Wesson walks out the front door but his clothes were covered in blood as he surrenders to the arresting officers. Other officers rush inside the House Am I. I think if it was an hour and a half now definitely you just hope. I'm maybe the Dory I don't care if I would have gotten if you would have gotten in any trouble. They love to make up stuff like some love to make up things about what happens in order for them to search a car or go into a household but yeah something about police insertion a call. This we'd way this what you always talkin. Oh but yeah this time. They can't make up. I don't like this. I can't see they can't make up a fricken story for them to go in and search the Damn House and the neighbors they did he that they heard gunshot and -opoly that but the police didn't hear none whatever their full shit anyway inside despite the sunny afternoon they just kill them children. That's what they did. They killed them. The building is dark and silent against one wall. Several coffins are stacked up then. They enter a back room inside that back room. Covered in blood is a pile of bodies. M- the vessel in any horror. Movie You've learnt never enter evacuating some of which are children each had been shot through the APP but because the bodies were in such a tangle it took many hours before the police could even determine how many victims there were and it was several days before they were all identified. Once they were these were the victims. That were stacked one on top of each other. Sabrina April Wesson h twenty five April Kina Wesson h Seventeen Alabel Kerry ouessant age eight Aviv. Dominique Western h seven. Jonathan Saint Charles. Will Western age? Seven Sedonia Solorio Western. H too marshy sank. Christopher with too many family may children. Isn't Ethan Saint Lawrence lesson h four and Jeeva Saint Western age one. So that's a total of nine bodies and guess what eight of them are under the age of eighteen. This bad I don't see how I can do it. I don't in trying to determine the next of kin the corner had DNA testing donald all the victims when the results came back the true extent of Marcus West since depravity was family reveal Marcus West and seemed always wanted to be a spiritual leader. Holly Luhya don't we always hear this or a lot of times? He was born in nineteen forty six oldest of four children into what could only be called a dysfunctional family. His Father Benjamin was an abusive alcoholic. Who Never Hell down a steady job and once left the family for several years to live with another man own. The other hand is mother. Carey was a strict seventh day. Adventist who led the Family Daily Bible Studies and would whip the children with an electrical cord. Despite all of this as a child. Marcus was remembered by relatives as kind and a good singer. His favourite game was playing preacher. Marcus dropped out of high school at age. Seventeen and joined the military where he was a medic or ambulance driver. Sources different this. He left the military with an honorable discharge and settled in San Jose California. That's where he met Rosemary. A woman thirteen years old growth than him who had eight friskin children from previous relationships. Don't you find that sexy and I must say is commendable. If you find a woman's chances child or you know you can stand up and be a man about but after eight children. I don't know I don't know but Marcus seemed eager to take on the big family. Since he believed they needed a shepherd to guide them and he was just that shepherd the the two soon had a son together so now we have nine at one point one of Rosemary's older daughters also named Rosemary. So that's not confusing at all struggled with drug addiction. Drop Golf her seven children U. Series. So let's to eight plus seven. And how many does that equal fifteen? Yeah said that Tommy. Children was in the household plus the two adults. So how many is that seventeen? Wow working household you know the house over a very big mansion but it was Rosemary's eight year old daughter Elizabeth. That Marcus was most fixated. No he claimed that God had told him that Elizabeth was his wife and he hailed a home marriage ceremony to the child. He then took her out of school to begin personally quote unquote teaching her. When Elizabeth was twelve he began sexually. Assaulting her shockingly. Rosemary's reaction to this was not to protect your dollar instead she merely insisted that they wait until Elizabeth was of legal age. Fifteen years old get married house. Fifteen years old in some states the ages different the team but at fourteen Elizabeth became pregnant with Marcus baby and the two word as soon as she was of legal age to marry. Marcus would go onto father. Ten more damn children with her before. She reached the age of twenty six before so ten more children before she was in less than twelve years. Okay so this is just wonderful right. I think I need a drink. It's not wonderful. Well many people wonder why Rosemary didn't protect her children for Marcus. But HER OBEDIENCE. Most likely was the result of profound fear brainwashing. Or maybe both after all Marcus's idea of quote shepherding on quote. The family was to rule over them with an iron fist. That he was not he even made a family where to him as master and Lord he was a brutal abuser beating the women and the children with electrical cords baseball bats and his fist. One son Serafino recounted being beaten beaten for thirty days straight for the crime of stealing a spoonful of peanut butter really really so fina recall Marcus. Beating their one month old. Infant one month old infant. Janna `then until his legs bled because he wouldn't stop going like that's GonNa make saw because he believed the world was full of CNN. He isolated the family and forbade them to have contact with outsiders. All the children were home schooled quote unquote. Once when Safina tried to leave. He stabbed her in the chest. He also moved them around a lot. Once they lived in a rusted out. Tugboat let me read that again. Once they lived in a rusted out. Tugboat her with no electricity or running water. Where Marcus made the entire family. Stay below deck so they wouldn't be seen way and this ENA tiny family they were on the water. Yeah they will. Yeah but it didn't move from shore then when he oh yes they were on the water sewer. They wore on the water but he made them stay below deck. Well at least they have water. You well with he would go to shore. He made the women row his raft like slaves then for the better part of twelve years they lived in an old Army Tint. They even lived in a school bus for a while. Moving up and down the California coast before finally purchasing the old office building on Hammond Avenue. Daily life inside the Western household followed the playbook up every authoritarian Colt each day three times a day. Marcus got to play preacher in real life. Subjecting the family too many hours. Long Bible Studies that were based on his own hodgepodge of religious beliefs including the he was God and that Jesus Christ was a Damn Vampire Unsurprisingly. He was fascinated by and felt a kinship with fellow cult leader. David Koresh during the nineteen ninety three siege of the compound in Waco Texas. Marcus was glued to the TV. He told his family quote. This man is just like me. He is making children for the Lord on quote and like rash. Marcus had a deep hatred of law enforcement. Probably because he was breaking summing name walls he even mandated a suicide pack if any government official ever tried to take the children away or split up the family. The mothers were to kill their children and themselves he he. He made monthly family meetings to discuss the details of this plan. And it's hard to express how completely markets controlled every aspect of his family's lives. The women and the girls were expecially subjugated. They had to dress long skirts and have headscarves. They had to walk behind him and remained silent in public. They were forbidden to talk with men. If they talked to a man they would be beaten even their own brothers and cousins. They could not talk to without being beating because if they talk to even their brothers and cousins they would develop sexual feelings for other men. Their lives were filled with unending labor. They were responsible for taking care of the many many children as well as the cleaning the cooking. Even if there was no running water oriole atrocity. They were also expected to wait on Marcus hand and foot. They had to wash his massive dreadlocks and even scratches armpits in addition anyone old enough to work outside. The home was expected to do so and hand over all their wages to marcus asks for Marcus. Of course he refused work and instead drew welfare benefits in such poverty. Food was scarce. The children said they often had only rice to eat. And would dig. And don't stretch food. Marcus meanwhile don don't fast food enough that by the time he was arrested he weighed nearly three hundred and looks like he weighs about five hundred and was so wide they needed three sets of handcuffs. But that is not even the worst of Marcus's crimes as soon as the girls in his family including his nieces and daughters. The age of about eight. Marcus began what he called loving. He would begin by fondling them in their beds at night. Then move up to outright sexual assault in order to quote UNQUOTE. Teach them to be better women then he would marry quote unquote each of them in his own ceremony where the girl would lay her hand on. The Bible and Marcus would lay his hand over hers. While they recited marriage fails then. Marcus would give the girl a gold wedding band and necklace and this started at age h for each girl for each niece and daughter. Marcus went onto father. Seven more children by his nieces daughters that he already had fathered tanner. How many people is this lost one way or the other wife? So that's eleven plus seven so that's a total of eighteen eighteen short yes wife in his twisted beliefs polygamy was mandatory and incest produces the seed of perfection of oneself. Know why away the original non right yes? You had an original nine. That was the woman with other relationships. There's but once he got with her. He had one child with her. Yes okay remember with the one dollar. By the age of Twenty Six. He had had ten children remember. Nineteen now yes. But I'm not counting those original okay. So we can count the original. So that's okay. Plus an additional four none none of seven seven that is twenty six six plus four thirty two no twenty six for. I don't know where you're talking about. Four that you go on have now. I said he went onto father seven more children. That was the seven twenty six kids. Yes and remember. They lived in a tug buses a bus and then finally an office building. Oh Wow what happened to? That is twenty six Well also people for some more kids anymore but that is wack wack is one word to word thing might be crawling up. B.'s. The f-bomb up our fucked up. Who has big stick? I said he's probably the biggest stick out of the way he's a fucking asshole hopefully didn't have the biggest victory was fucking children for their sakes has to bring up. Hopefully it's not. That is true. I would hope he had a tiny one. Because it isn't it should have been cut off. Yeah sometimes don't you wish that you could do that? You just cut off some light. These people's Dick Slave. Slaves didn't happen instead. All of it was replaced by him with all these people Washington hanging upside down as they saw off his nuts. And and and then they'll embed it to stick Dickens astle pitas nuts too often even better on the damn good blocking swallow it and also cut off his toes and make sure that he doesn't die right suffer suffer exactly and just keep home. Cutting them repeatedly repeated. Wow you're kidding. Very deep into art buried deep and dark right now which you also wanted to also won't do a little bit of shock treatment to his eyeballs. Oh my gosh what's left so you're GONNA have to get like of you know like a battery or something like that. Of course you you first start out with oddballs and then you go down and you wear. There is no more nuts. You stick it right there. Thank you shove you shove the which call it. The taste is that the police use you. Show that up there in the set off about ten minutes you know and just for the hell of it. Shove Indyk plan is asked. That is the best one I like that. Yeah that one's even better not an eggplant nowadays plant. You know how big a Clinton is a horse. The Horse Dick. Oh my God book there make him lead. Yes yes wow. We're really getting away from story because I just. I just because prisoners ship. Oh no what are the prison dicks fucking. Nope you need a horse. Exactly you need a horse or song. There's plenty horses around here. Big Is this round of this will make plants bigger than that. Okay then was Charlie Ward Cup. That's about like that. That is giant. This one right here the Super Cup. That's big enough this about seven inches around if you believe that. Okay so moving on now. Moving out now for most of the members of Marcus's family. This way of life was all that they had ever known but two of his Nieces Ruby Ortis and Safina. Solorio WANTED OUT OKAY. But their sister. Rosa solorio remained loyal to Marcus. Marcus eventually agreed that they could go but only if they left their children. Jonathan and Aviv behind home. Desperate to escape the two agreed and got the hill out Yup but as they adjusted to the world outside of Marcus's tight control. They started to understand that what he did to them. What he was still doing to the rest of the family was abusive. See I don't know anything different. So on March twelfth two thousand and four well no one said he was the smartest Jesus in the world. Dude let them go. They're going to figure out that is abusive and call the law. Okay well I'll march twelfth two thousand and four. They gathered several relatives for support and they went back to the Western home against rescued their children. Who are both now seven years old? None of this would have happened if those police would have went inside. None of it knowing nothing would have happened. No there'd be like seemed okay to us. The kids would have been alive really. Do you think away. Oh you talking about the the policeman at the beginning. Yeah Okay yes I agree. None of this would've happened. Yes but it seems like this is too awfully case from ever comes to law enforcement and stuff like that off but I do feel an hour and a half of saying goodbyes. Just a little too much. It should never happen. That's the thing like you don't wait at a person's door for an hour and a half in half while you're there to check on the king kids. Oh okay. Well that's when the shouting match broke out. Marcus remained calm but refused to let ruby or Safina come inside the house to get their children. The women of the household shouted at Them Calling Them Judas horse and bitches and commanding them to bow down to your master Jesus as for Ruby in so fina. They knew they had to get their children out of the house immediately. They were fully aware of the suicide pact. That the family had made yet when the police arrive? They ignored the women's pleased that he was going to hurt the children and they also ignored one of Marcus's son telling them that his father owned a gun. First off the is the did you just far now I did. I don't know I saw you. That is euphoric you did for I. His grandkids are they not. Who's crank it? Marcus yeah okay. We'll some a lot. Almost all of them are nieces daughters and children because remember he had sex. He was having babies by all the nieces and delivers exactly some of grandkids boiled. They would also be his children. He would be grain debt that is also true he would be Granddad and Dan. He's actually. Wow Yeah that's what I'm saying like those were light did the did they not tell the the police that that. Like on the child of Marcus. He has macho. I don't think they went through all of that but still yet. I don't care that they didn't go through all that they have listened to what those people were telling them exactly anyway. So the warnings want work considered enough evidence of a threat to the children's safety for them to force entry to the house bullshit and when the shots rang out. The police said they didn't hear them back. Although many other neighbors did so who you think telling the truth. I don't think so Publi neighbors or till I'm pretty sure if you're standing right outside the door you would hear gunshot even with a silencer. Exactly and I don't think Marcus had a silencer. The case was considered the worst mass murder in Fresno history and the officers who encountered the bloody pile of children's bodies were so traumatized that of course they had to seek counseling. The first on children killed when Marcus Wesson appear to stand trial a year? Later he was different manner entirely. The man who once ruled over. His family like a tyrant wasn't shackles. Once he was a fucking large intimidating man but now without a horrible of women to cater to his every whim he dropped half his weight his dreadlocks. Once were passed US WASTE. Now they were cut to Xeres. He was charged with nine counts of first degree. Murder and fourteen counts of molestation and rape as members of his family testified. Many of whom were still very loyal to the jury came to learn of the horrors. Marcus had impeded on his family. Marcus defense was to claim the heating kill. Anyone can kill anyone that Sabrina had absolutely pulled the trigger murdering the children and then herself the evidence was inconclusive. There were no prints on the gun. But guess what Sabrina. Dna was her body was on top of all the others and the murder weapon. A twenty two Ruger M K to was found underneath. Or how would it be underneath her? She shot herself however it's not known if she lay where she failed or if she was placed. There almost just say. I'm just go along with him here. This is a third party here. I'M GONNA say did She replaced their well. That's brilliant and the same could be said about the gun. The gunshot wound to in. Her head was inconclusive as well. I don't see a woman shooting all those children in the eye anyway. The gunshot wound in. Her head was inconclusive. As well while consistent with a self inflicted wound a shot at close range couldn't be ruled out either and I'm saying he had a fucking hour and a half. So how many gunshots were there? Quite a mini in the police sitting here any bull shit. Ruby and Safina's testimony show that Marcus had complete control over the family and the he had commanded them to commit this at remember all this time they were supposed to suicide. Yeah I feel like maybe not suicide but maybe I'm shoot all Yuma fuck masks. Yes just I you know if the police ever tried to interfere but if he had Sabrina now some remember were very oil. If having Sabrina Kill the children then herself would fit with this pattern of having a woman. Do the hard work. Because he's a shitty ass while he walks away on the other ham family now laters usually kill their families then attempt to blame the crime the WHO mother in the end. It didn't matter to the jury who actually pulled the trigger. Thank give a Shit Marcus. Wesson was found guilty on all counts and on June. Twenty seven. Two Thousand and five. He was sentenced to a hundred and two years for the rape and molestation charges just for the and molestation for the murder of his children and grandchildren. He received the. I'm not GONNA say that. Say The damn death penalty the DP. He was sent to San Quentin prison. Loose which is the nation's largest death-row there. Guess what he was in company of such infamous murderers as Rodney Alcala. The dating name killer Charles in you got. We did a podcast on that. Your member. Richard Davidson Scott Peterson. Who I think we all know emaar then. California Governor Gavin newsom signed Moratorium on the death penalty sparing Marcus Westerns life. Because you know he bear because he felt so bad and spared. All these kids live. You wouldn't have gotten killed. No way still been death. I know but thankfully he will never be eligible for parole. He got tough imprisoned because now not on death row because guess what I would think I would rather him be in regular prison. You know why okay. Yes yes after this. But I'm saying he was on death row in you know what I would rather the death throes be in regular population you know why because they give the because on death row. Are they not in a single sale? They have their own sale to their self correct and they don't have to see the other. They are in the silver twenty three hours a day. I think so men are they getting asked for. When are they didn't beat the hell up there? Not because they're protected. And you know what screw that ship? But Elizabeth and the surviving children are now grown and they have come to see how brainwashed they had been and how delusional psychotic enor- cystic narcissistic drew. Marcus was well an twenty ten. They broke all their media silence and spoke to reporters at ABC News. They've all tried to heal and move on with their lives as best they can but at least at least they no longer. Any of them won't have any contact with Marcus and that is a blessing. Yep that's my story room store under that you say messed up by safe fucked up whatever nothing wrong and I messed up. Door are thought. Yeah so you want to take a little break from that deep dark shit yes and whenever we come back because obviously he's Never GonNa be tot up upside down. He's not going to have his head. Cut off shove. Jenas asshole nuts fed to him. He's not going to have his toes. Cut Off hey fingers cut off. And he's not going to be right by Eggplant or Horse Cup or dress so I think that's pretty shitty. That's what he deserves deserves. No less elephant Dome He. He deserves the elephant. Shit right on his face. I've never seen an elephant. Now is up bigger than Horse Dung. I'm have to look that up in the Earth's gets shoved up the elephants pass. That would be interesting. 'cause you know that would just suck him right up and he was suffocate that would would this non toed feet flailing about him. Yes that's what would happen. You heard it here first. Red Neck Justice. Yes you amy Murat. Now I'm taking a little short short little break and we're back. Yes that half a second. Thank you for staying with us. Okay anyway so do you have a story for us. Yeah I've got a story for us. Well the Victim I'm actually GONNA talk about. Is Regina Brown Ojeda Mojo Reggie? And she's a very pretty lady actually and Let's just get into regime white known that I'm going to try to Regina. Brown was a thirty five year old African American woman living in Newtown Connecticut and actually she does not look like an African American woman. Does she really does not? She looks like a Tam White woman. Not even that Dan she just she just looks like a white woman who even her hands on that I met. She looks good the She was a flight attendant for American Airlines and was married to a pilot. Fifty two year old Willis Brown look quite a low wage. Difference Thirty Five yo-you so way. Age Difference in twelve seventy years years. Damn that's good bit Willis also owned the moped man. But why what the MOPE Hadman a moped rental Biz? Time Block Island Rhode Island are up. The couple had three children Nicholas. H for Rena. H three and Ashley. H To Regina Willis had complicated five year marriage was Willis accused was accused of domestic violence several times and was even arrested after strangling. Regina during one of their fights will schiller just been feeling lucky that he was married to her being fixed room saying he better be lucky A judge issued a restraining order against will as he was not allowed near Regina their children or the family's home. He moved into an apartment in Queens New York on occasion. Regina allowed him to visit their children. During the Marriage Willis Head accused Regina of abusing drugs and being unfaithful even claimed their children. Were Not Biologically. His six six paternity tests. Were done all proving. He was the father so that was l. six. Yeah for the three children so to freeze children. 'cause the perfect wasn't right. I guess that's what I would assume I guess so. I'm at just to make sure I guess because he was a Weirdo Undo spag. Yeah sure on March twenty first. Nineteen eighty seven. Regina put Nicholas in Rina on a plane for Liberty Texas lather sell. Yeah Yeah okay To live with will you know they probably put them on the plane then whenever they get there because she she sent him there to go live with her parents at the parents. Were probably wait right there at the gate. You know very simple thing and probably told the flight attendant or something you know. All I'm saying is I. We would have never been able to do that with the all. Cottrell would've never made it there with me. Yes with them. Hail no no you would have never drew out have been able to make it. They're all that L. Got Do sit on Damn plane and then get off that show. That's a problem. You have to go go somewhere. He'll be sitting down. Go Willis Willis had threatened to kill her in their children on March twenty. Six Regina Drove Ashley. And they're living babysitter. Sharon Ryan to the Laguardia Airport in Queens New York City there are also going to Texas. Regina's plan was to go home. Get her belongings together. Joyner children in the coming days because I was wondering why she wasn't going to. Yeah on her way back home from the airport. She called her close friend. Hope Lampert. Regina told her Regina told her to be alarmed. If for parents hadn't heard from her in a couple of days if she was not at own her parents house by then she said Willis will have done something to me what he promised to do to me and the early morning hours of March twenty seven. When of Regina's neighbors tried to call their house because their nine month old puppy sport was barking nonstop. Basha keep dog lengths force for that is no one answered so they called the police and worried. Something was wrong for an unknown reason. An officer was not sent to check on the situation Look polite officers and I don't like a lot of shit that's what it sounds like. Regina was a reliable flight attendant however she did not show up for her flights. On March thirtieth and April third American Airlines contacted her parents and they asked Regina's best friend. Linda Van Horn. Linda van Horne when Horne Linda. Van Hora Tabasco by the House Window Open Regina's garage door and found spore anxiously waiting for attention anal dot com despite the floor being covered embassies. They were okay because someone had left a bowl of water in a big bag in oak landed. Notice that the dog Food Evan bought from a store. Regina refused to shop after an employee made a racist remark. So of course suspicious Regina's belongings. Were all at the house including their score. If airline identification bag in an UNCAST check for one thousand dollars in her purse definitely suspicious Yes her makeup bag which she always cared with. Her was under the bathroom sink a week. After Regina had been seen leaving the airport. She reported missing by Linda a week. That was a long time with us. Also filed a missing purse report on the same day. He's such a Douche bag they're like he reports after Linda had already done it so then he doesn't look so suspicious. They know that does look suspicious but I know it does. Regina's house was searched but no sign of a struggle or any sort of crime was found. It is believed. She did not make it home after dropping off her daughter. Baby Sitter at airport naturally Willis was considered person of interest. He said he had been in new town on more twenty six for a dentist appointment and admitted to bind the dog food other than that. Nick claimed he couldn't remember what he had done for the rest of the day. Bullshit he suggested. The police should look forward genus car in Manhattan New York City. Okay that's in an area known for drugs of He's just he's just. He is just trying to make up a story to make it believable that she was a drug addict and she did all the stuff and then left however what she gonNa buy the drugs with because what her pocketbook at the House. Exactly and with a check Juan Hill. Would she leave a check for two thousand dollars? Also what it and she pocketbook whenever she carried the child and the babysitter to the airport. Were you remember that? She was going home but they said that they didn't think she made it made it. Yeah so that's good question. Maybe she just left in a hurry. Mamie I don't know His suggestion ended up being correct in front of a building in Manhattan on more on April. Six there were two on child safety seats in the back. The keys were in the nation and there were parking tickets on the windshield. Unfortunately the car did not provide any clues. S To Regina's whereabouts interest will expand. Tell people that regina had been spotted random places around the world. He told one of her genes neighbors that she was with some guy on an island in the Pacific of the. Hello how in the world. She get all these places if she doesn't have any of her stuff like she doesn't have nothing. Donna of so aggressives cheat now and then goes with this guy or something a few months. After Regina's disappearance Willis ball an Cadillac and drove to Texas He forcibly took his show. Dron from Regina's brother and bought them and brought them back to Connecticut three weeks later. A judge ordered him to return the children to their mother's family and September Willis went to court as he wanted a divorce from Regina and their children's custody. The judge concluded that he had been abusive towards his wife standing. He had reduced risk to a living nightmare. Her existence by the hell did I risk of what name me say that. He had reduced her existence to a living nightmare. Authorities found no evidence of Regina ever using drugs or being unfaithful. Oh legend that Willis was granted a divorce. Though androgynous parents were given full custody of the children. It did not go unnoticed. At the time that Regina's disappearance was very similar to the vanishing of another newtown woman. This is hill crat. He'll crafts Ellie crafts some around that H. E. L. L. E. Heli say that Hillcrest L. A. Crafts that's a good. That's a hill. Crafts gall crafts from now. You Know Oh. Her first. Name was H. E. L. L. E. Yeah I don't really know how to say that Hill Hilla Healey is probably he'll crafts. I don't know would just gonNA say Kraft is Probably Hill crafts though what is it Also flight attendant had been married to a pilot Richard Crafts and had three kids. She vanished in November of nineteen eighty six. And just a couple of months before Regina went missing hale was crafts. Husband was convicted of her murder the first murder conviction without a body Connecticut. He was accused of trying to cover up his wife's murder by dismembering her body with a chainsaw in putting the pieces into a whichever which does sound pretty logical also. It was a great episode of forensic files. Yeah Regina have been following the hill crafts case even keeping newspaper clippings in her kitchen drawer. A few months into the investigation of Regina's disappearance will stop cooperating in refused to take polygraph test that he approved. Asli agreed to his reasoning. It didn't do Richard Crafts in mono because we kill Chop Moore up well. Richard had passed a lie detector test despite being found guilty. Which doesn't matter no and Willis. Oh Willa statement is bullshit or Willie. In nineteen eighty eight Willis Stepmother Margaret Brown died by suicide in Albany. New York about a year later. Her son was going through her belongings when he found a hand drawn map titled Block Island written on. It was Regino. God Regina Oh God authorities theorize indicated where Regina was buried. So you're telling me that he wrote a Firkin map own own them at of block. How stupid is there? Yeah so went through. You found the map kind of seems like to me if I bury somebody or something. I'm GonNa Remember where I did it. Could you not bury a lot of people on trying to be like intellectual or some kind of? Oh okay. Yeah Asserts with cadaver dogs was conducted on block island but nothing was foul around the time. Regina went missing Willis owned a private airplane that convenient though owning a private airplane he kept it in a small airport in. Connecticut and often fluid to block island. This is going through a lot of states. Authorities were not able to find the aircraft until two eight and are not sure if it was used when Regina vanished before nine eleven there was not mandatory to keep consistent records so like okay so like so just just a heads. That's a good either. No saying as if you're planning on killing somebody make sure first off that you're not mean to the person and you're pretty close damn friends with them or if it is your wife made sure that your Helen ice and don't be beat known them secondly don't threaten going no if you're going to do anything you can you. I'm own private airplane. And there's always the option. Just don't kill them. There is that option but if you are going to my my My whatever the fuck you call opinion is to own private airplane kidnap and put him on the private airplane thrown. I wouldn't that be something to be out in your yard sun bathing in the yard and all of a sudden this body. Just what was that? It's okay and they they. I mean how how you're GONNA get caught. You can still get could get caught because the fact of you do have a private airplane but now everything has to be really recorded. No evidence a okay. Well anyways television station. Ms -Chusetts aired a documentary about Virginia's Regina's disappearance in nineteen ninety. Willa sued them for defamation and invasion of privacy. You can always throw in Balkan. I'm pretty sure that would get rid of all benefits that will get rid of evidence but then you also have to worry about. Who Sees you going up? You know going there. You Know People's GonNa be saying that you're missing and stuff you and her love him or something. I don't go check the volcano then. And See if you can find Louis. Ain't GonNa go in there and chat is accurate. Ain't got a body but then as you got a handicapped. War can't go inside. A volcano Sugarcane you know will assume and For you know whatever whatever an intitial influence infliction of emotional distress because they had implied he was responsible for killing. He was responsible for killing her. I'm at people ain't fucking stupid. The claims were later dismissed. He is now in his eighties and had has houses in block island in Texas. Regina Brown has been missing for thirty two years. None of her friends or family believe she would have left her kids voluntarily. She was declared legally dead in nineteen ninety five. If nothing else she would've Italy's Castro check. Of course she damn check she's GonNa leave thousand dollars just sitting there. She wouldn't just pick up and leave. No that is about the stupidest person I- stupidest man gives a bad rap for all men. That's why I'm Sam well because because sometimes you just steepen against what. He didn't get charged friend and jody know it in. He live in his life. I wanted a dentist and stuff and blind little airplane. He didn't get charged for Shit and he definitely there was no evidence. I'm it looked like she just completely and thinner vanished just so they found her body long. Gone nothing at all but it does raise insane concerns because she did plea al about will listen stuff and abuse now he. Oh if you didn't hear will he killed? I think that that could have been solved now. And then he made up all this stuff about. Oh she's going into English with the with the car with the car seats. Where would she have gone from there? I don't know but to another country with another man but I don't. It seems to me like the police didn't investigate that too much. I don't think they did very much anything. It didn't really tell anything. Okay really didn't tell much about what they actually did if they did anything which I don't know if they dinner so did or didn't I don't know so the m they in. That's all we got say about that remembers. 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Scuba Shack Radio #18  11-3-19

Scuba Shack Radio

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Scuba Shack Radio #18 11-3-19

"Welcome to Scuba Shack. Radio episode. Eighteen recorded Sunday November third. Two Thousand Nineteen Scuba Shack radio is a biweekly podcast in support of our mission to empower individuals with knowledge ability experienced to venture underwater in pursuit pursuit of their aspirations and advocate for ocean health and sustainability Hi Everyone and thanks for listening to this latest episode of Scuba Shack Radio. I'm your host Jeff Singer penal will we're back from our trip to little came in and won an awesome trip it was. We got down there on a Sunday. got into the Little Cayman Beach Resort and had a great week diving Some with twenty five of our divers some outstanding dives Great Food Food and Great Company. And we're looking forward to another trip down there at some time in the future. We'll have to get that into schedule. It's also November here in New England and we had a couple of frosty mornings. But that's life up here in the North Eastern We're still diving. Got Some classes next week and in a couple of weeks after that when we get back from Dima so die season still going strong and we're having fun From my very first pool session in Scuba diving in two thousand and four. I've always had a house. He on buoyancy compensator at Scuba Shack. Were very passionate about the house. He on product line and particularly with its stability control durability That comes with that Halcion. I'm back plate and wing in fact I still have that original eclipse thirty halcion configuration. Mainly right now I use it for the pool. Because because over the last few years I've upgraded to a halcion infinity thirty system and I did that because of a couple of things one it has the weight at tank adapter that I can use. Plus it also has the sinche system sorts adjustable Especially when you're going between wet suits dry suits it also has i. It's primarily my rig now that I used for New England cold water diving up until the little came in trip We always would take our stainless steel back playing wing on our travels with us to a warm weather destination. We just have to take the tank bands often often pop out that way to tank adapter in we were good to go but that all changed this time for a little came in trip Donovan. I switched over to the halcion traveler. BC in fact we had five of our divers make that switch three other Of Our professionals why why the wait just to let you know the infinity a thirty BC without the wait at tank adapter after in came in and about fourteen pounds on my handheld scale. And I did the same thing with the traveler. BC in that weighed seven so you can see half the weight. That's a big benefit especially as you're trying to pack with your airline bagging keeping in your weight limits also As you're packing things up to get down to the boat. That takes a lot of wade out of that bag as you're walking down Or if you have a distance to travel now the traveler pro arte traveler BC from Halcion. The way it works is Has a nylon back played in it. So that's where it gets alive. It's weight savings and on that back plate there are four wait pouches in each pouch can take up to three three pound weights so you can see you. You can put twelve pounds on that back plate for me down in Little Cayman I was using ten in the back plate with my three millimeter wets wetsuit. Probably maybe a little bit heavy. But we're still dialing it in a bit so ten pounds on. That was plenty for my three mill wetsuit. In fact like most of our divers could could use their three mills without having to go to a weight belt or any additional weight while we were there If you need more weight than that you can put the The active control ballast weight. Pockets it's on That halcion makes go on your waistband They can hold up to five pounds each. So you get ten pounds there and if you need even even more You have the option of pudding. The Trim Tab pockets. That halcion makes back on your Your tank band so you can get an additional ten so a lot of options there for waiting as you go. The traveler also comes with that system just like the infinity so it's easy to WHO to adjust as you switch your suits and perhaps if you're going from three to five million might just send it up a little bit more now we pick the traveler BC They halcion also has a version of this called the traveler pro and the difference being that the traveler. Pro WPRO has a replaceable bladder. And that's not. The traveler does not have that replaceable. Bladder also the traveler just comes in a standard the under thirty pound. Lift capacity while in the The traveler pro. You can get Options of twenty thirty or forty pound lift left so we were very very pleased with our switch over to the halcion traveler BC. And it's now are warm weather go to BC the and it's lightweight great options ability in the water. You think diving your Your regular infinity. We're very pleased. We made the switch Have you ever heard of the keeling curve. Will the keeling curve is a graph of the the accumulated co two in our atmosphere than that's been measured from nineteen fifty eight to the present and it's named for a scientist. Charles David David Keeling now. Mr Killing died in two thousand and five but the work on the keeling curve continues on today by his son some people think the keeling curve curve is one of the most important works of the twentieth century in fact science. Historian Stephen Weird describes keeling curve as the central icon of greenhouse gas effect in his book the discovery of global warming. He states that it's that the keeling curve is not quite the discovery of global warming. But it's the discovery of the possibility of global warming. Charles Keeling had been doing studies on. Co Two around California when he obtained funding funding to do some larger studies in both the South Pole and on the Big Island of Hawaii at WanNa Lohan and over the years WanNa low was chosen in for the long term monitoring mainly because its remoteness. And it's free from contaminants so I'm not going to go into the science of how they collect the CO two measurements. But we'll talk a little bit about the results and the results are astounding so from nineteen fifty eight to two thousand is in an eighteen. We've gone from three hundred and fifteen parts per million of co two in the atmosphere. That's three hundred and fifteen molecules sales of co two for every million molecules of air to four hundred and six parts per million. So you can see what a dramatic rise to put descend a little bit of perspective. Scientists were able to tap into gas bubbles in the polar ice cores that they believe are from from nine thousand years ago and Indo though that analysis they found that the co two levels back nine thousand years ago where between two hundred seventy five two hundred eighty. Five parts per million dramatic rise in a few short years primarily the rise going from that to eighty five to three fifteen coins commensurate with the rise of the industrial age in the nineteenth century. Not only only are we doing more. Co Two in the air. By burning fossil fuels were also Deforesting the the earth and not just eliminates a lot of the Carbon Carbon sinks that are out there the curve shows the acceleration since one thousand nine hundred fifty eight and it's alarming another thing. The curve shows is the seasonal variation of co two in the atmosphere and that's mainly because When the summer and spring bring time comes the vegetation grows and it takes up a lot of the CO to co two levels drop and then when the leaves die off and things the vegetation dies it releases co two back into the atmosphere and that stayed pretty consistent about five parts per million? And it's like a little sine curve in the overall curve now up until the mid twentieth century everybody thought that the co two would be all absorbed by the Oceans Nations Munoz. We know that's not the case today. The oceans just can't handle it all and also it would be creating an acidified ocean out there which is happening as well. So the keeling curve is really dramatic. work that shows Halcion to is growing coming in the atmosphere And if you want to dive a little bit deeper into some of this you can also look at something called the hockey stick graph and that's more around. The the temperature rise in chose how the curve goes up accelerated commensurate with the CO two emissions. So a lot going on here with the keeling curve. It's fascinating science. It's interesting to go and look at do you little bit more research. I know that global warming thing is real We were down in the CAYMANS and I was really amazed at the water temperature at this time of year was still eighty five. Eighty six degrees. I May that may be normal but oh I think I was expecting something a little bit lower than that may be eighty one or eighty two so global warming. It's real and we got to address it take a on the night. September Twenty Fifth Nineteen Twenty Five A. US Navy submarine the fifty. One collided with a steamship. The city of Rome off a block island submarine sank sank in minutes and it settled in one hundred thirty. Two feet of water. Thirty three men died that night on submarine and only three survive the book by Commander Edward Ellsberg titled On the bottom tells the story of the salvage operation which he commanded he ended. It's an incredible story of our diving. History the things that they were doing in nineteen twenty five were pretty remarkable and their efforts to salvage that submarine or incredible commander Ellsberg describes in great detail. The dives the challenges the setbacks in the ultimate success in raising the fifty one it wasn't until July Fifth Nineteen Twenty six that they were able to raise that submarine. I cannot imagine what it was like. For those divers in four hardhats suits going down one hundred in thirty two feet walking onto the submarine and then into the submarine to secure and make it available. to be salvaged also the incredible amount of work. They had to do to rig up the submarine with the pontoons necessary to bring it from that depth. Not Going to retell that story but thought I'd focus on some of the outcomes in the innovations that that came out of that one of the things that they realized back then was that they did not have enough qualified divers in the Navy to be able to conduct these types of operations so they focused on some of the schooling and training another thing. That was key in this. Time was underwater lighting and they talk about the problems that they had but Then the divers were able to make a lot of suggestions suggestions to Westinghouse and Westinghouse came up Westinghouse lab came up with the Lamps that were necessary to be able to to do the work that did they had to do with that depth. Another thing that they realized in the first attempts to salvage was that they were going to need a better torches to conduct The the cutting and work that they needed to do down on the The wreck of the submarine and they came up with the Ellsberg. Cutting torch another thing that they had to devise was a nozzle to blow out all of the Mud and debris so that they could put the lifting change under the The submarine and attached to the platoon. So they came up actually. There was a machinist mate named Waldron. Who came up with a special nozzle net nausea then became the Falcon nozzle for the named after the ship? That was Doing the rescue operations and sometimes it's also called the Ellsberg jetting nozzle another thing That they came up with where the the pontoons the stabilising pontoons that were the need for deep sea salvage so a lot of ingenuity and innovation. That had come out of trying to raise the s fifty one now. Now as a result of that Ellsberg had made a lot of recommendations that did not get implemented by the navy and specifically wanted wanted to put some lifting is on the exterior of the submarine and then Put Bob have more pontoons and get more divers in the navy well as tragedy would have it. There was another submarine accident. A few years later the s four submarine and it's settled in one hundred and two feet in one of the divers was also who went down on the s four was one of the divers who would Part of the The salvage operations for fifty one and his name. Was Tom. Eighty and when Tom got due to the record the s four he heard that there were still people alive inside and and he really could do nothing about that In the s four was kind of the impetus for some of the work that we described earlier podcasts by commander under Mumford On the deep submarine rescue now. There was a lot of folks involved in this. The A lot of the divers were awarded navy. He Crosses And went onto to more Diving careers in fact Tom Ed wrote a book called. I like diving and Trying to get a hold of that and see what that's all about but again As part of our diving history. I thought it'd be good to talk a little bit about this s fifty one salvage operation. If you get a chance Get the book called on the bottom by Commander Edward Ellsberg. You won't be disappointed. Be A I hope you enjoyed episode eighteen scuba shack radio. Appreciate you listening. And I'll be back again in a couple of weeks. And we'll have our post Dima recap we'll talk a little bit about what we saw down in Orlando things that are going on down there. We'll we'll probably talk a little bit more about sustainability and conservation and next time we'll have another installment of your next dive so I hope to talk to you. Then enjoy the next couple of weeks by a scuba shack. Radio is a biweekly podcast in support of more mission to empower individuals with knowledge ability inexperienced venture underwater in pursuit of their aspirations into advocate for ocean. Health and sustainability. Talk to you next time Yeah.

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EOC 187: Bering Sea Days

Eyes on Conservation Podcast

51:06 min | 1 year ago

EOC 187: Bering Sea Days

"Right okay so there's Alaska where we rarely here we are eight air so the Aleutians uh-huh Arctic marine mammals and then I moved to the west coast of Canada and started working with mammals on the west coast including in Alaska I art with scientists David Rosen. I'm a Canadian scientists and studied on the east coast of Canada involved in Bering Sea days for seven or eight years Eight years ago I was part of a research group that came up and island tribal government in Saint Paul School opens up kids to learning about one of the most magical biological regions on earth their own backyard into the eyes on conservation. PODCASTS I'm your host Gregory Hata for one week each year the tiny island of Saint Paul Annual Bering Sea he days it's a celebration of the local biology and ecology and a week of experimental learning and activities for the K. through twelve students on the island appear and in Bering Sea days my part in Bering Sea days has been as a video link that we do every year between Saint Paul and all down that way into Russia and all the way that way down the California's now passed Seattle think kids on Saint Paul's know that they're scientists doing research with the animals on Saint Paul's but they don't really get to see that and they also know that the and got some northern first seals from Saint Paul Island and brought them back to my research facility in Vancouver Canada and since then we've been involved with the school groups Seattle is that way okay so class the sea otters used to live here and today there are still the owners live all year Orland the live in Vancouver and up till now I've always been stuck in Vancouver and this year I get to come up to Saint Paul Saint Paul side term really excited about antics from the Alaska Fisheries Science Center and regional office come to the region known as the priddle off islands the program developed by the Loot Community of Saint Paul the research to the kids of what we're doing to try to figure out what's happening to the animals on Saint Paul's my favorite part of the bering sea days is see lions so they get to see these animals were brought and there well brought down and they're well taken care of and they're doing active research and we explain the he is but sometimes things don't make enough sound or the environment rocks and count don't make sound some animals make their own sound and listen to the echoes location they've called Echo location has anyone heard that word before and they'll just be a sea of sort of grumpy faces staring at me doing something exciting and the kids here are so fun to work with I'm never thought of it that way before and it actually educates me as much as trying to educate them Canadians came off and we have some of the Saint Paul Animals and they kind of lose touch with what's happening with them so it's a reconnection between the kids at Saint Paul's and the they always come up with ways of thinking of things that we as scientists adults never think of because they're wide kids it's a great opportunity to do special activities and interact with a new group of educators and I think anything we think of they're just like all into it I think every time we talk to the kids in the classroom nice and what's your favorite part bank CDs learning all right and can you think of something from a previous bearings think it's always fun to do something different out of the classroom and we try to make the activities as fun as possible but also for the kids to learn something but I think we'd like to sneak in the learning and and we have the opportunity to do that because you know we're up here for open to any possibility or any experience they come up with these wild ideas and quite often they're wild ideas as a scientist they make stop and think into populations and we forget how important the individual animals are to the People Saint Paul and so were not working towards some theoretical Tori setting with with these animals from and I tend to forget two things one what their natural environment is like so it's concept really of saving this species it's keeping an ecosystem intact that's important to the people that live on this island I think I think for the resources populations and so they created the ecosystem conservation office to set up a formal kind of monitoring system away you anybody want to guess all this is dry okay so harmony of you have ever seen a real life and that the tribal members weren't really didn't have an avenue or a voice in voicing some of their concerns with subsistence access to give some legitimacy in authority to the tribal members to talk to federal government state agencies different regulatory bodies a tribal members on various environmental issues climate change issues subsistence resource issues and we go and represent our community on issues that concern them so now ecosystem conservation office is a a group of about five fulltime staff members we do a lot of environment he coming back to Saint Paul ongoing right this is what conditions are like on a rookery but the other thing is we tend to think of populations and see days in the past that really sticks out in your mind yeah something in the past an UN favorite memory or fun activity from bearing CDs it's and cash economy of lifestyle so we are very remote were very rural and we're home to half the world's breeding Tawana touring we do a lot of wildlife management and we work with scientific research with education and outreach with communicating with our yeah that's why they're that's right perfect today's experience shaped your job or career path experiences after most of my time working with northern versus has been sort of we have lots of fish and shellfish species being in the middle of Bering Sea we have salmon and pollock cod and halibut and King Crab and snow crab and so we're just kind of this in the middle of the ocean very rich with Wildlife Little Alaskan community a lot of things make Saint Paul unique being that it's an island in the middle of the ocean we're kind of situated earn in Anchorage always has long did you guys know that they used to live here too island and they're about forty five miles south of us and then Saint Paul has about four hundred fulltime residents were about forty four five square kilometer size island and what did you learn we learn Ooh what are odorless part of your fish us I have steller sea lions that breed around the islands and occur around here we have reindeer that live on the island as a lot of animals that migrate long distances and so there is the food and the resources that lots of different species need that occur right outside feels advil and these two individuals knew that there were issues going on that were dealing with subsistence resources that we're dealing with a lot of the wildlife on Saint Paul you with federal and state agencies Saint Paul is one of the five block island to inhabited islands in the middle of the Bering Sea so we're you know resources in that blow different species through on storms there's there's lots of activity out here in the Bering Sea period of time we have lots of time to prep for the lessons and I think it it just sort of reinvigorates the kids as well as ourselves we dissect the fish were literally in the middle of the Bering Sea and so- Saint Paul is the larger of the two per block island that are inhabited Saint George has about sixty sixty five people That live on the autre tiny little okay so about seven hundred miles from anchorage you can only get here by flying or by taking a vessel we are about three hundred miles north of the Aleutian chain in Alaska and impacts or a changing environment what kind of impacts are going to be important for you being able to conserve that species and be a good steward so the ecosystem conservation office was started in the late nineties by two of my predecessors one being Glenn Lesson Cough and the other is her husband really how excited the visor lights up I could use sounds into here where you guys are just noise if he was I said no had our doors because of where we are in the ocean where we are in Alaska you know there's lots of currents that that work that bring food and went for folks in the community to get as much information about all of the resources that they rely on and that they relate to culturally and utilize the islands we do have just a unique landmass and marine ecosystem combination that it was really important in this position in the ocean that is very productive that is kind of a refuge for a lot of birds that migrate Long Wildlife We have rich commercial fisheries we have rich subsistence fisheries we have All of these very important marine mammals that come through seabirds that breed here also I use my name is Lauren Devine and I'm the CO director for the ecosystem conservation for the tribal government of Saint Paul Oakland and we are home to Halibut halibut fishermen Lot of the community our local fishermen and they live a mixed subsistence that causes such a rich ecosystem so being that we are in the middle of the Bering Sea and that we have all of these resources we have lots and no kind of the science behind things and understand what opportunities they have in being good stewards of their environment who are school age children so the it started with just a couple of presenters and they were scientists in the field they had been conducting bering sea research on some of the species out here in Saint Paul and Saint George and so they we asked to come into the classroom and spend a week really stewards of the environment to gain a broader scientific understanding of some of the issues that impact them and to just engage in more to communication between scientists and the teachers handover their classrooms for us we have lots of different people going in lots of different classrooms and doing activities doing those experiments every classroom within the school will have something different going on at any given our for the entire school day and so the purpose our students I think it's incredibly successful and it's something that continues to evolve and I think a lot of success comes in learning and adapting from previous the scientific experiments or demonstrations there's a variety of things that go on and so at any given time Monday through Friday the full week of classes ink and use resources in a science room versus you know sometimes we have critical thinking where students are thinking through career they choose to find this program we also have a really strong partnership with Trident seafoods because it is something that the kids now on our tenth year bearing CDs but in the beginning it was kind of an introduction of the ecosystem of the marine ecosystem too that is to get the kids as much exposure as we can to all of these different fields all of these different disciplines a variety of you know more intense kind of hands on what kind of scientific basis there is for that and you know if you're using seabird colonies as a cultural resource what you need to know about you know your potential and we've seen an improvement in our kids standardized test scores through this kind of programming that we deliver anytime the kids are excited excited about every year the community is really excited about it as well because if you get the kids excited you know the parents are excited and the elders are excited mm central Bering Sea Fishermen's association which is our local group of fishermen it is the fathers and sons and uncles of the community that have created an organized fishing association and there are held at fisherman and the prophet some of the profits they make from their business you know selling how thing that can be taught just one time and folks understand it and so it was a way to engage kids in learning about their abilities to be good blom were giving them resources to read and think about and then we ask them to help us solve problems so the funding comes primarily from ears and letting it evolve and become its own thing each year you're coming up with activities for them or taking them on the field trip or doing some key four and it's really rewarding even kindergarten or a first grader that they retain that information for that long it's very rewarding and of last year I remember when we went out on this field trip are we going to do something like that this year and they remember very detailed things from years before John Let's let's build a deeper understanding of assistance or a process by getting the kids to really critically member a lot of our presenters end up maintaining contact with some of our classrooms and so we do see success in folks being able to a lot of our presenters are really excited when they come in and even being a first time presenter when you come in and you present this information at the end of the week the kids were it's easy to get the wrestling community on board for me every year that I walk into a classroom and it's Monday morning and the kids are you know for a workshop or educators type sharing out informational session where they share about bearing CD's ready to start bearing CDs and they come up to different presenters and they start talking about what they did last year without presenter or they share stories is and we've gotten contacted a few times on and help consult on how to start a summer camp program or a school educational program very basic things that a lot of remote villages in Alaska lack that presenters or scientists or educators doubting and deep and getting the kids to have a deeper understanding of some of these issues some of the different pieces of ecosystems really complex and it's not the Left sorry Wales us and that's what El- what do we know what what's another angle that doesn't live in the ocean as that educator I'm always worried that I'll walk into a classroom in remote locations because we don't have infrastructure some villages don't have Internet some certainly don't have computers in every classroom and there presenters leave or scientists leave and they stay in touch with those kids it makes all of the challenges and all of the you know heartache have some kind of lesson development and follow up with kids in the classroom or be able to take what they do here and present that out whether it's a conference that we go through planning these kinds of events makes it all worth it for sure and it is something that we want other communities to experience we want other kids and how do you do this kind of work on a smaller scale on a similar scale and how do we continue to build partnerships so that we can grow what we will take for granted even if things don't go the way that we plan and even if everything goes wrong those students don't know the back story they don't know the and when you see that and you see a light bulb or you see smiles and engagement on their faces and they're asking questions and you know that take away something from the school or Take away a partnership that is with the school where they can google chat in or they can penn POW or I have a lot of salmon chase putting on a good educational program in an urban location plan they don't know what it was supposed to be or what grandiose ideas we had in our heads of what this event would be they get something out of it then there are things like hardware stores and You know resources you have Internet you have travel you have airports other places to enjoy that and have that engagement and that love of learning we want to ignite that in other locations and so have you know a place to rent a taxi or rent a vehicle to get places so the very basic things that we think about where you're going to sleep at night where are you going to house in classrooms in kindergarten first grade second grade classrooms and I am a crab biologist so I was teaching them very basics of crab as presenters where you're going to you know how are they going to get there how you GonNa feed them all of those kinds of things get exponentially harder and more challenging every day on these terms and that was you know four years ago now and so I go back in the classroom and this year I got to go back in the days we'll take whatever we can get and I think there's a lot of people in different communities that are working towards I spent a lot of time my first year in very it's a prompt them on what to call different parts of the crab they already have all the vocabulary and they have remembered it I remember when you came in to our kindergarten class shell the Shell and I would say it is a crab shop but we're going to think of it as a carapace so I'm introducing these more technical vocabulary words that we would use so rewarding to know they're applying something from years ago when they were very small I underestimated them in how much they would retain inning so we have folks that come back every year and then we also introduced new folks every year so we're really happy with where we're at and as long as we continue to adapt and over in an academic setting or you know we're measuring a crowd we're going to measure it by the carapace width we're not going to call it the shell and so we worked all week and I would quiz and now we're starting and they are phenomenal using the language that I want them to use using those vocabulary words and they don't even have to be prompted bering sea and so they remember that is stocks or what we call crab is because they're on stocks and why crabs stocks rather than just being you know in yeah and I had a costume on and I went through and we did body parts but we were scientists right so they would call the crabs and participate so if we get some kind of event going in the Aleutian islands that is more centric to that location and help them build up and teach more about crafts and what do you know the class that were in our now these kids for years later and I don't even have here but then also contribute to new programs wouldn't be hearing you want to be wondering okay anybody want to be a hearing this across the state outside of Alaska we would love to see exchange we've been working with on Alaska another community that's in the Aleutian islands that AH shares a lot of the same ancestry the same family groups the same culture and we would like to be able to have students travel between the islands but also as special presenters and take something into other communities we would love to see something on the North Slope we would love to see stuff out in western Alaska what we are being as effective as we wanna be and that we continue to be able to introduce new things but also build on things that students have been the and living the kind of lifestyle that we live out here it's it's all interconnected and it's all interwoven and to be able to ah their head like we have because they want to hide from predators so they might bury themselves and then they can stick their eyes up and look I mean they can remember such detailed that it's this hardin it's slow to get off the ground and we work for years to build various even day special event or summer camps or you know a few as as it is now has grown so much that we're kind of at a maintaining level so we want to refine what we're doing we WANNA make sure that costume they remember all of the terms that we talked about night made them stand up and make the figures and I made them do is stocks become our challenges and deliver really good programming. We're really happy with what we're doing now we want to help other people we want we would love to see more programs like whole ramifications or the political undertones of various regulations of different how laws were made how why things are the way they are now you is show the inter connectivity between Science Policy You know all of these different things that as somebody living in a community and introduce things and show different perspectives in a kind of seamless way does it provides a forum for folks to think about the political anything more just more rigorous education and outreach that's driven by the community for the community so what we want to do us and you were dressed up like crab and you taught us these words and your cost of you were a blue king crab they remember everything about it I was wearing a blue king crab kind of educational program like we have in Bering Sea days the the ultimate goal is to really get students to move across the state and be able to move as students how and how folks use that and are informed by that and also kind of how they adapt and how Gore force but they're on the sea floor as ours dive to the seafloor and they can excavate Clem all kinds of invertebrates that they love Aspca your avails dot that team so we can see they do VCR John where where do I urgent Sunday in water column in the islands of the alleys or the U. Nugget that's a lot more than the Kodiak island is right there life out here and and what understanding folks draw from the ecosystem has to do with all of those different pieces look different from this guy way because it's way smaller it's smaller what else about the shape is different whatever you do this you could leave us to this From archaeological sites mostly in the North Pacific also though spend a lot of time working with modern samples as a way to help me better understand what working with a lot of different educators here in Saint Paul for a very long time have worked with Aquilina a lot over the years and was able to just kind of casually said well why don't you guys dig up the killer whale we buried a couple of years ago and after I picked my jaw up off the ground and compose myself I said yeah that sounds like a good idea why don't we dig up that orchestra because whoever gets a chance to but if just one kid gets a little glimmer of excitement about any little thing that makes my day that makes my ear entities and talk maybe get a couple of people to start you know planning you know maybe even get a building or something is definitely hard for us to get a greenhouse I think it's I think students younger students need to learn about bearing CD's it's something that should keep on going on in for other communities that don't have it should take partners have you guys the significance of the ancient remains is my current position is affiliate research faculty at Western Washington University my first bering sea days was in two thousand thirteen I've been Ross is really a concern about produce and stuff and if it is for other communities I think they really need to like talk to the finally kind of weasel invitation to come back out and work with the kids again I think my favorite part of varying see days is we we assigned thank you guys all helped make folks and so my background and my job is I am as archaeologist I work with animal bones that come sts who were also in education don't really expect all of the kids to get as excited as the things that we're studying as we get about the things that were out here was talking with Aqua Lena and we were trying to decide what what what kind of bones type activity could we do and she yup anarchy skeleton and so we dug that up in two thousand thirteen and I've spent the last three years rearticulating that skeleton to hang in the library so now that have been consistently involved with bering sea days I have in my mind pretty much anytime I'm working with any kind of skeletal material any kind of owns How how can I use this in a classroom experience to help some young student get excited about loans when you were a student in bering sea days did you ever think you would come back and be a presenter ended not GonNa do actually talked about marine have you guys talked about seals no desire by the ocean any any of those things this week I don't even know what I was GonNa do but some in college I'm working towards a Bachelor's health inside so I figured I'd the out in school right now but I am taking online classes so I didn't really think I commend comeback in teach a class on for greenhouse I mean many different aspects of it but pretty much anytime when working with any skeletal material with my job I try to think about would this be exciting it doesn't always work sometimes I'll try something in a classroom in his students like me other times there's just too much stuff too getting to know us better and so there's this level of anticipation of hey we can do cool fish dissections with Veronica or Mike the Bones guy is going to be here wjr there's been a lot more continuity now from year to year with WHO's coming so the we're starting to get to know the students better in the students I think the kids get out of varying see days sometimes I think not to be too cynical I think that they really like a break from just regular classroom everyday activities but I think that interesting to have in a classroom setting for kids of any age whether it's the pre k. kids or all the way up to seniors in high school or college students you go back and forth on Johnson we have anywhere from strawberries to cherry tomatoes too hot peppers to basil to lettuce get and maybe we'll get to cut up some teeth and so it's gotten to be consistent enough even if it's not the exact same t scientists every year but the kids know now to expect singing we have on Saint Paul Island probably a dozen fluent speakers four of which we work with all the time imagine that you did yeah you made a boat that was and we have a bunch of fluent listeners people that understand it but don't speak it so what we're doing right now is we are slurping the call it slurpee we speak to learn we listen to understand and we read in order to pronounce it because we're so fortunate that we have chom gives the colleagues that I work with mostly teens at this point teenagers giving them the ability to teach it today's is going to be supercooled wore forgot the whole body warm in order to have something to listen to on a daily basis basis? We've been writing lessons writing a curriculum that you don't have to put over your eyes if you don't want to because we say if you become fluent if I became fluent and I had no one to speak to what's the purpose of learning a language that has is it's been given an alphabet and it's not the best slow complicated it's not and it's not easy to write it but we don't have a lot of listening materials so basically we try to capture Fluent speakers eh well good question what about this front flippers can't roller the argument called this is an excellent question have you ever seen a the language on by myself so it's a team effort in so that we can have each other to talk to as time progressed Mrs and giving them myself inability to teach it is quite important the one thing that I think about in regards to where I live since we're not inhabited at the time of contact whatever that means when the Russians came to the Aleutian islands came west to east towards Alaska with them they brought this Berg I seal yeah does it have a lot of further on it aren't you worried about getting cooled Glover Alaska very very see ocean influenced society and culture that I come from the privileged they are right now how we got here may have been in the form of slavery why we had to stay was because a direct the office of Cultural Affairs for the community say Paul Island in our language Noggin macos the need for for money and so- furs were the thing at the time the for rush happened in the Aleutians specifically with CR were presently am right now is some people might say Ooh that's no of nowhere but I don't think we should use that phrase as for any place on this planet because every place on this planet matters and has something to give to its whole right now I'm in the Berry saying that it was us it was slave labor but we had to come because I think if we didn't there wouldn't be perceived here Oh yeah let's go up there and let's kill all seals for their furs for people to wear fur coats if I feel like if I lock it in right now or they would have drastically been depleted to a state of even a more dire situations her creatures that live in that environment the people that came to heal the seals for their furs they did not so we are of this C- Culture on the islands for eight thousand years we know the other happening at the time and it's like no that's not that's not what we do I we really should only take what we eat that's how it's always been he I want to say smack DAB in the middle of the Bering Sea but just about on north of the Aleutian islands between Russia and mainland going to come in and take resources because I don't understand how it works in that Ecology if the first and leading all this food so when I look back at that it's just had to hurt head to hurt our people to see that happening they went on strike they so all of that all of those practices came from Noggin people in order to have a sustainable harvest it's something that we knew it on the Aleutian islands they were pretty nomadic between two islands being able to jump in there there now we've got our goggles thinking about Jason trip over your own flippers we had to be here and we had to be a part of that whole history as difficult as it was in order to have the first sales that we have today to establish villages here at that time but we didn't just come here once we came here more than once according to our store when the Russian navigator prevail off came here it's not that we hadn't been here before none had been here before we had eh our ancestors were brought from the Aleutian islands to the purple offense to be that labor force it was forced it was not and our people we come from the island I'm GonNa come from the Aleutian islands originally something that were born from it's something that we practiced for thousands of years and I think in turn if I went to some other part of this planet I'm not head were not killing me seals for you if you're just killing any of them are killing all of them there has to be a method to this so it's sustainable it doesn't have lower but that's thinking about it this way that's a good guess though let's say our lesson cough and I their boats and go to another village the privilege Firi- are a little bit further away and so it wasn't really economical stories of a which was our name for this island Saint Paul Island when you look at and more from the store in one of those boys happened to me my son so I basically reached out to the Marine Mammal researchers that were we were giving them our plants and helping them to become well and then he said maybe we shouldn't have I have lived here end said tell me what you do because I need to figure out how to have these young people know what those regulations are in not are all of my life and at that time it was just over three decades and I did not even understand these regulations that supposedly were imposed on me that was present marine biologist I still doing 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Merchant Solar and Wind: A Ticking Time Bomb?

The Interchange

39:04 min | 1 year ago

Merchant Solar and Wind: A Ticking Time Bomb?

"The interchange is brought to you by up light up late as a company you once knew as tendrils and simple energy that's right after acquiring first fuel and energy savvy and merging with simple energy tendrils rebranding itself as up light the goal is still the same to offer utility leaders the kind of solutions shinzo deliver customer experiences like amazon and netflix and now it's happening on an even bigger scale than before touching every corner of the utilities sector speaking speaking of amazon and netflix disruptors in their respective industries up late made a five part podcast about what disruptors can teach utilities. I helped produce it and you should go listen to it. Search for illuminating wherever you get your podcasts and to learn more about updates expanding services to help remake the utility customer relationship ship visit up light dot com oh and don't forget to download g._t._m.'s new i._o._s. News app in the apple store. It's redesigned and the perfect way to get all the top op clean energy business news on your phone. The android app is coming soon and if you prefer the old fashioned way go to green tech media dot com slash newsletters and sign up for e mail news news in your inbox every morning. This is the interchange interchange conversations on the future of energy from green tech media. I'm stephen lacey a contributing editor at green tech media welcome and despite shales best attempts to replace me last last week while i was away i am your host. She'll con is out in berkeley. He's the managing director at energy impact partners. He's back to his title of co host. Hi shale shale welcome back stephen. How is basking in the glow. Fatherhood parenthood is as fulfilling as they say it is although in preparation for this week's topic i couldn't get my daughter excited about hedging strategies and fix volume price swaps. Let's hope we can do better for our audience today. <hes> excited to have you back. I feel much more comfortable in this co host chair this week we explore possible ticking time bomb for renewable energy merchant risk since the dawn of grid connected wind and solar long term power purchase agreements were the financial glue that held these projects together project owners could rely on relatively simple multi decade contracts. Thanks in large part to policy that encouraged courage or mandated utilities to enter those agreements. Today things are getting a lot more complicated more and more wind and solar projects getting exposed to the risks of the market contract terms. We're getting cut down to ten years even seven years for some deals and that means a vast majority of the electricity produced by a wind or solar project must get sold on the a competitive market now she'll. Why is that a big deal. Why is this worth talking about sure so yeah as you mentioned. The short version of the history is basically this the the first bunch of years when we were building wind and solar pretty much every project got bill had a power purchase this agreement which was a an agreement by utility exclusively to purchase all the power from that project at a fixed price measured in dollars per kilowatt hour our and those contracts were pretty much exclusively twenty years sometimes even twenty five years so what you do if you're a developer is you would get that contract in hand hand and then you would go finance the project the back of that contract with certainty around how much you're going to get paid for all the power that you produce and the only question would be. How much power will you produce but i think three things have changed over the past few years. <hes> the first is you mentioned par purchase agreement terms p._p._a. Terms have gotten shorter so as you mentioned it goes from twenty years to sometimes fifteen to ten to even less than that. The second thing that's happened is that utilities are not the only only buyers for the power from these projects anymore. We've had this growth of corporate. Renewables purchasing and corporates are not necessarily willing to bear the same risk that utilities are so they sometimes put more of the risk back on the project and the third thing. That's happened is that you know p._p._a. Prices have gotten so oh competitive and so low that you can't necessarily finance a project based exclusively off of the revenue. You're going to get from your g._p._a. Eh there's just not enough and so you need to underwrite to you need to finance according to some assumptions around additional revenue that you're going to get beyond the p. P. term term after it expires but while the project is still operating <hes> and that means that the project in one way or another bears some risk in the market so that's what's happening. The reason that i think it matters is that this is all happening at the same time that we have what looks like basically the most uncertainty uncertainty that we've ever faced in the wholesale markets over the next couple of decades. We just don't know how these markets are going to adapt to this. Increasing penetration of renewables one way that they might adapt is that prices might just plummet right and so you see this already in places that for example have a lot of wind at the times when wind is generating a lot the prices aces. We'll go very low or even negative houston california with with solar as well. If that sustains for a long time then these projects <hes> once they start to come off of power purchase agreements in year eleven or twelve or whatever it might be <hes> maybe they're not going to get much revenue in the wholesale markets and maybe that means that investors who own the projects and we're expecting to get that return won't get that return and if that happens at scale than that's the sort of ticking time bomb that you alluded needed to at the beginning possible that you could have an entire year's worth of renewables projects <hes> that got bill right around now that end up being bad investments ten twenty years from now <hes> and then there is a question about what the future of renewables will be at that point so i think that's the reason that it's at least worth asking the question so there's a lot on the line here we are talking about financial glue of the clean electricity transition so very important and with us to have that conversation is christine brzezinski. She is a senior associate at the global law firm. Norton rose fulbright and she has a lot of experience with these deals. She's represented lenders sponsors and risk managers on gigawatts of wind solar and gas deals worth billions of dollars that includes the block island wind farm america's first commercial offshore shore wind project and a lot of other firsts christine. Welcome how are you. I'm great. Thanks for having me stephen than shale. I saw your bio that three deals you worked on the block island offshore project an onshore wind project in kansas that used a creative <hes> hedging structure and a major gas project all won awards in two thousand fifteen in two thousand sixteen for talk deals of the year. The life of an energy lawyer sounds pretty glamorous. You just walking red carpets every month picking up fancy awards awards for your work on proxy revenues and fix volume hedges. I wish i wish it a lot of hard work but it's really great to see he. He's projects get built once we've worked on them. Okay so we invited you here to help us understand why and how merchant risk is going to shift how renewable electricity is bought bought and sold show. What do you wanna get out of this conversation. Yeah i think we sort of have four fundamental questions here. The first is how much risk does does a new window. Solar project getting developed today actually bear how how much of this merchant risk is his born by the project. The second is who who really wears that risk who at the end of the day is the one who's gonna hurt if the revenue doesn't show up when it's supposed to the third is what are they doing to try to mitigate that risk. You've mentioned a couple times things like hedges and proxy revenue swabs like wh how of how available are those things to to mitigate the risk <hes> and who's willing to offer for them and then the final question is if at all does go wrong what effect could that have on the future of the market and basically sort of at the at the highest level is is this something that could make a dent in renewables in the long term so i guess christina i'll start with the first question of sort of how much risk these projects bear air orchestra. Maybe the prototypical wind or solar project today to the extent that there is one. What is the contract structured like what type of p._p._a.'s available and how do they think about revenue within the e._p._a. And outside of it each project one of the first things they think about is how do i contract my revenues and obviously as you mentioned that ideal is for a project to have a utility p. in place. Those are fairly simple contracts attract. They're very easy to model it. A fixed price per megawatt hour of power produced now as you mentioned. Those are really hard to get these days so for projects. They can't get utility p._p._a. They need to look elsewhere to try to put a floor under their their revenues and there's a couple of different options out there. I would say that the second most popular right now is the corporate corporate p._p._a.'s originally designed to look like traditional p._p._a.'s but they've evolved over the past couple of years so they're not necessarily as as good as the traditional p._p._a.'s from the project company's perspective for project companies. They can't get corporate p._p._a.'s or traditionally tilde p._p._a.'s then there in the world of hedging and just looking at other ways to put a floor under their revenue. Can i stop you and ask why are these corporate p._p._a.'s not seen as good yeah well. There's there's a couple of different reasons. The first being that the typical corporate buyer does not want to share the same risks as the utility so as corporate have been getting more sophisticated. They figured out how to shift some of these other risks back onto project companies. One of the the main concerns are project companies today that do not have traditional utility. P._p._a.'s is something we call basis risk basis risk. It is the difference between the hub and the nerd and i know that makes no sense to let me back up and explain that when project sell power into the a grid the project connects to the grid at a point that we call the node when a project sells power they receive the noodle price the noodle praise great can vary based on factors that aren't actually related to the market value of power so for example if the grid is poorly constructed in that area and there's a lot of congestion and curtailment price of power will be affected by that and because it's so region-specific and so difficult to predict that pray a lot of investors don't like taking price risk at the node what would they instead prefer is what we call the hub. The hub is designed to reflect the market price of power without these other factors like grid congestion securely. How does the market value power and what price do they put on that. When corporate off takers enter into p._p._a.'s they don't want to take notes prates risk. They instead wants to settle at the hub so basically if i can summarize the corporate purchasers wanna buy the hub price the product has to sell the notable price and that means that the project owner is the one who's bearing the risk that the nodal price goes a little crazy because of something thing like transmission congestion or whatever it might be and they get less than they're getting paid <hes> at the hub price and so that's just an example of of a risk that a corporate off taker is not willing to bear but a utility would be factly separately. There's also this question of these contract. Terms terms which i think is is going to be relevant when we start talking about sort of the long-term wholesale prices. You talk a little bit about you know. The evolution from the standard tendered twenty year utility p._a. To whatever we're facing today sure so a lot of these contracts as shale mentioned earlier are now around ten ends twelve years. That's considered standard for corporate p._p._a. And a lot of these other hedging contracts as well have ten to twelve year terms they from a project developer's perspective their primary concern is to get a term that covers off their financing so if they have a five year or a construction financing the amortize over five years then they will be okay with a tenure p._p._a. Theme with a if they have a tenure tax equity financing typically attend twelve year p._p._a. Will be okay okay. The problem is what happened when those financing's go away then the project developer is left with this merchant risk and it's really difficult to predict how valuable this project is going to be starting ten years out so so now we're getting adding to it which is who is it within this financing equation that is forced today to make some assumption option about the revenue the project will be able to achieve in the open market in ten fifteen twenty thirty years after the p. expires <hes> and has to get comfortable with that in order to finance the projects in the first place. Yeah i mean it's always the unfortunate. Truth is the equity the project developer. It's always going to be stuck with that. Risk financing parties. They won't enter into a project unless they have a pretty good view on what the revenues will be so so once a developer hits your ten. That's always going to be their risk and sometimes they might sell the project. Sometimes they might try to get a new p._p._a. E._p._a. i mean there's ways to deal with the risk. The at the end of the day that's something that the the developers typically stuck with and does that end up accounting for for a significant portion of the developers expected revenue from the project. I mean yes. That's that's certainly true for a lot of developers. They may even just have an exit strategy edgy if they don't want to take a view on what those revenues will be. They may just decide. I'm just going to sell the project after your ten but thoroughly for a it thirty year project. It's very very difficult to estimate what the revenues will be. 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Go check out illuminates anywhere you get your podcasts. Ask and to learn more about plights new offerings and expanded reach in the industry. Go up light dot com slash g._t._m. And so i'm curious about the level of riskier compared to other resources that bit into to the market at a merchant basis i i know that renewables have this sort of time dependency and seasonal dependency that makes it unique. Can we just take a step back and talk about why this risk is particularly acute for renewable energy compared to <hes> other resources sure will l. with intermittent resources. One of the primary problems particularly in wind and solar is that they all generate at the same meantime so when the wind blows all of the wind farms in a given area will come online at the same time in that will depress the market price of power so that's something that we call co variance risk. The other problem with that is that renewable can't bid into into what we call capacity markets so a capacity market is something you might find in. Let's say jam where they will actually pay projects wchs to hold back a portion of their power and then at a time when demand is incredibly high. These projects will be obligated to produce that last portion of their power to sell out onto the grid and because with renewables projects. You can't predict when they're going to produce them when they're not going to produce. They really can't fit into any capacity markets. It's very risky in another way to talk about this. This risk this time. Dependencies is calling his shape risk and i like to think of like this multidimensional game of chess. You've got a few things as both of you have outlined that influence fluence the financial performance of a wind and solar project. You got the volume how much electricity is produced price how much you can get it for in the market and then time when you're selling that electricity and because renewables newell's are so time dependent if you have to sell your electrons merchants style during the middle of the day when every other solar project is dumping their electrons you can encounter very low or even negative prices. That's not good for the financials as i understand it that the net result of this is that if i'm a developer right now i'm developing a wind or solar project assuming coming that i can't get my you know the the twenty year utility p._p._a. Of my dreams probably what i'm gonna have to do in order to get my project constructed is going to have to get whatever p._p._i. Can say it's a corporate purchaser who is willing to sign a ten year contract but then i'm not gonna make any money during those ten years and what i have to assume is that after those ten years come up in the projects still is another twenty years or so of life that there's going to be money there for for me but i know that i bear this shape risk that ca- variants risk. I bear the risk that wants the p._p._a. Expires at some point. There's going to be a ton of win. Sam building a wind project is going to be a tunnel win. Generating all at the same time rate in the area where i built my projects and thus the prices the wholesale markets are going to be zero or negative and there will be certainly less revenue than i expected if not zero revenue available to me but i basically have have to hold my nose and do it anyway because it's sort of the only way i get project built so developer is basically a choice for me between and don't do my project or do my project but no that i- there's a decent chance that when it comes time for me to earn most of my revenue after the financing rolled off it won't be there for me developers sort of see it that way between a rock and a hard place but this is the only way to get the project done or do. They think that the the revenue will be there for them. When the pizza rolls off i think they it it is something they have to fuck up and get done. The hofer developer would be that they can contract the or they can get a contract in place after after their existing contract expires so you know for example. They have a ten year p._p._a. Twelve year p._p._a. Once that p._p._a. Goes away and assuming the developer no longer has to worry about their financing parties. They can kind of evaluate at that point. Okay are the merchant revenues high enough that i can go ahead and go forward with the merchant project and just take whatever comes my way or is it more effective for me to go out and try to get a new p._p._a. Yea in place right which also equally risky because who knows what p._p._a. Price they'll be able to attract at that point given the state of the market at that point in time right exactly. Let's see there are three types of projects then. There's the utility twenty year fixed price p._p._a. That's the golden land eminently finance and <hes> attractive to developers then kinda second to that is that corporate p._p._a. Where it probably is riskier both because because it has a shorter term and because the off taker the corporate won't bear all the risks that the utility would as you mentioned like the the hub and node differential then there's the third category which is the project that can't get the p._p._a. In the first place <hes> and i think for a long time that was just a nonstarter if you didn't have a p._p._a. You you didn't have project but there have been mechanisms now developed so that you can get enough certainty or as you said before a floor <hes> that you can still develop uh projects even in the absence of e._p._a.'s. Maybe can you kind of walk us through at the highest level how that works sure so. There's two main types of hedges. The live i is a fixed volume hedge and the second is what we call a proxy revenue swap so a fixed volume hedge is is based on as the name implies fix volumes so unlike a utility p._p._a. or even a corporate p._p._a. Where are the volumes are the same with the project produces in a thick volume hedge the hedge provider saying hey we'll please a floor. You're under your revenues but only for certain amounts of power per hour. If you overproduce that's on you if you underproduced you're going to have to make up that difference but we're going to decide ahead of time what's going to be hedged so a proxy revenue swab on the other hand if entered into <unk> by a weather risk investor and this is someone who really wants to bet on the weather and what they'll do is they'll agree to give the project company a fixed dollar amount every single quarter and then if the revenue earned by the project company during that time exceeds that fixed amount they'll go ahead and pay it to the weather risk investor. If on the other hand the volume of power produced or the revenues produce are less than that amount then they're going to have that made up by the weather risk investor so the weather risk investors essentially covering downside and then taking the upside which one's more common right now the the fifth volume hedges are much more common and the reason for that is that there is a whole bunch of institutions that provide them so there's only one weather whether risk investor right now that does proxy revenue swaps so they're very in demand bitches not that common due to the fact that there's not that many people that offer offer them on the other hand with figs volume swops. There's a whole bunch of banks that offer them morgan stanley j. p. morgan goldman facts and there's also other companies that do them as well trading companies like shell will do them v._p. Will do them a few other strategic investors and what's typically the term on these like how you know if i wanna do a either a proxy revenue swap or fix volume hedge. Can i do it for ten years fifteen years with the longest i could get probably i would say twelve years will be the absolute longest <hes> but again it's it's the theme trend of the p._p._a.'s hedge investors or hedge providers. Don't wanna take this risk of power prices that far into the future and the the longer the term is the more they're going to charge for that hedge so if a project company can stomach shorter-term. They'll actually get a better price on hedge. Do you see any of the developers stomaching shorter-term by making some assumptions about what they'll be able to do at the end of their head to at the end of their p._p._a. You mentioned before that you know. Some of them think well. Maybe i'll just go out and get a new p._p._a. At that point <hes> i've heard a couple of developers also say well look we. We could always retro fit and add energy storage so we could fix the shape if we have a shape problem. Twelve years in the future are is that stuff that they're just sort of hoping hoping might be available to them. They actually banking on it yet so developers you really don't have a choice whether they're banking on one or whether ah crossing their fingers and hoping for one i mean it's the same outcome and they really can't do anything more than what they're doing. They the off takers. The hedge providers in this market have a lot of power so it's really difficult for developers. Stand up and say hey. I need more certainty because because they're probably not going to get that so that gets us to kind of my core question here. Which is we have. All these projects getting built today that i i think everybody recognizes at this point. Bear a huge risk come ten twelve years from now because who knows what's going to happen. Maybe it's possible that there's wholesale market reform and these projects actually become more valuable. Maybe it's possible that they all add storage and it doesn't matter but it's also entirely possible will that we just build a bunch more renewables wholesale prices go to zero and all the locations where these projects are and there's no revenue available to them and so if that happens in that the negative version of this story playing out what then happens in ten or twelve years are these developers were building the projects six now. Are they still going to be around. Are they going to be the ones who get hurt or is it going to be somebody else at the end of the day. It's really a developer risk so so in a terrible you know end of end of the world scenario. They are the ones who will end up taking that hit but you know there's different. There's different options out there for them for example. I think a lot of people are really focused on texas right now and text with the very windy state. There's a lot of wind down there. <hes> in this is kind of where we're seeing these doomsday scenarios of negative pricing and congestion on the grid <hes> there are other areas of the country where you know it's still relatively windy. It may not be texas level wendy <hes> bay. You know there are options. Thanks for developers who want to get out of texas so it really developer will be stuck with the risk bait not everywhere in the country. It's the theme in texas. What i guess that brings me to an even more fundamental question which is how likely is that scenario and i know that it's hard to predict because it depends on variables is that not a lot of people want to predict that far out but from what we know today <hes> given options they're out there in the market <hes> and how these projects are structured. How likely is the you know the doomsday scenario the black sky scenario for a lot of developers hopefully not that likely developers breath can are wising up to the different risks that they're facing and are getting contracts that more adequately matched those risks so we talked about hedging contracts contracts. They're not ideal but when done right they can really help project with a lot of these risks and because hedge providers are entering entering into shorter contracts. You know five ten year contracts in five ten years. Suddenly they're going to have capacity to enter into new contracts so you know the demand for energy is there there is something to the fact that just because terms are shorter doesn't mean that nothing will be available later on in fact. It's the opposite a lot of these utilities a lot of these corporate law the tech providers. They will have need for power later iran so it's just difficult for developers because they can't count on that they can hope for that. They can't count on that. I'm i'm slightly more skeptical skeptical i. I think that there's obviously location dependent and project dependent. I think there's a very real risk <hes> because it doesn't take that much really you know it just takes us continuing basically on the track that we're on today where we keep building more and more renewables in the areas that have good resources and and you know if you do that then as you said because of the koreans risk you could just end up in a market where there's most of the the wind projects our solar projects execute bill today and up with your negative pricing for good chunks of the year in in twelve years. <hes> and these are thirty year assets now you know. Will there be zero revenue available to for them. Maybe that's a pretty low risk but it's sort of why i'm curious how they're thinking about it. Like what is the what's the minimum threshold that they would make aac out not <hes> losing their shirts on because it does seem to be like it is a is a pretty big risk but then there's the the more fundamental question which i i made a point about this merchant risk <hes> a little while back on twitter in jigger shah made a fairly reasonable comment response which i'm curious to get your take on christine which is effectively. I'll l. paraphrase him so jigger. I know you listen yell at me over twitter if i got this wrong but basically it was sort of like who cares like let's just say that the black sky scenario scenario happens and all these projects lose their shirts right and ultimately they none of them are profitable for whoever is bearing that risk at that point. Should we care you know it will have any impact on the future of renewables well. That's a little dark. I mean listen than i think. I think that has the country. The world is trending towards more renewables and the bottom line. Is we have have to figure out a way to make it work and there's definitely ways to do that. There's storage. There's grid infrastructure. These are developments that are are in the works. They're not really fully baked yet but at the end of the day. I have confidence that we'll get there because we have to get there. We can't be relying in call me more we can't we can't be using these unclean sources of energy and as more focused shifts towards renewables. I really do the thing. I hope that people will find a way to make this work so you know texas very isolated. Area part of the problem is you can't get renewable energy out of texas that effectively if we had better grid infrastructure we could get the energy at a texas into other areas of the country that are not as windy that will improve the prices prices and that will make renewables more sustainable the argument that i would make why we should care beyond just sort of not wanting a bunch of nobles developers to lose their shirts is is it will have a dampening effect on future development. If all of a sudden we have a whole raft of wind and solar projects in twenty thirty five all of which are underwater than i think it has some impact on the next wave of developers in twenty thirty five. We're going to want to be building new projects <hes> and might be less likely to <hes> be able to get those financed so that would be the argument for why it has a big societal impact beyond just a specific list of project owners who who lose money on an investment so the big question is is there a tech solution to this because we've mostly been talking about financial engineering and the the a handful of solutions that are out there today what about the use of the obvious technology storage <hes> to to help alleviate some of this risk to shift sale of electricity at a time when prices are higher making project economics better howard developers thinking about integrating storage bridge or hybrid wind solar storage plants to try to create a technological hedge yeah. I think that that's something that's on a lot of developers nine fine. <hes> the technology is still evolving. I don't know if it's quite there yet in a way but it it certainly getting there. I'm in the benefits of stories. Stories is a levy a lot of shape rifkin the coup variance risk. That's really impacting renewables right now so you know if developers can you can store some of their solar energy and then relief it into the grid at a time when the funds not shining they'll hopefully get a higher price for it and and the grid will be more stable really so. It's a win win for everyone in the hope. Is that the technology gets there. I think it's just a really a pure economic question like i think that the technology yes. It's it's i guess early but the technology is straightforward for the most part. You're looking at adding elian battery. Probably something like four hour duration like that's all relatively straightforward. I think it's so the economics are also relatively straightforward. Which is how much much extra revenue. Can you gain. Can you expect to gain from shifting the power from the time. It's produced to the time when you wanna send it into the grid and <hes> is the revenue. You've that you expect to obtain higher than the cost of the storage. <hes> and i think the reality is today. Given the cost of storage it often isn't yet and that's probably why you see a lot of these developers not including batteries yet but i think a lot of them think first of all that they will in the future as the cost of storage comes down and as these problems become more stark and too. I've i have heard a few developers image before say well look after the p._p._a. Rolls off if we have a worst case scenario and there's no revenue available when the sun is shining then i'm gonna add storage and twelve years from now who knows what the cost of lithium ion batteries can be so could be really cheap then to shift so i think there's a lot of moving pieces here but the the challenge there is if they all do the same thing and they all shift power to the same times that gets you a it builds a bridge to get you further <hes> but it doesn't entirely solve your problem okay so let's wrap this this up and think about how big this risk really is so christine on a risk scale from one to ten. How what number number would you choose one being low risk ten being high risk. What number would you choose <hes> when evaluating how serious merchant risk is for renewable energy energy developers <hes>. That's a tough one. I mean i would say it really just depends on the risk appetite of the developer but i would say five dave <hes> it depends on where the developer is. It depends on. You know. They're confident than getting another contract but it's it's certainly a risk. It's certainly certainly a risk and hopefully it will become less risk once we get more storage play still plenty of developers out there willing to take the risk. Yeah i think so and i think maybe it's a it just some optimism on their part. They're always thinking. There's another contract around the corner. <hes> i think a lot of them are still figuring out the risks on the existing contracts so they may not totally be aware of the risk that they're taking on bay. You know i it really it depends on where they are to developers and texas have a lot more of this risk and developers elsewhere. Shale christine's got a five on the table. What are you gonna lay down <hes>. I think it's like an i think it's like an eight personally for developers. We'll give two different numbers for different versions of that question. I think on a one to ten scale quite ahead yeah. I'm gonna hedge my answer sir. <hes> this is a fixed volume hedge for my risk adjusted score. I think it's a big risk for a developer like i honestly think that <hes> <hes> for many of these projects developers are just grinning in burying it because it's the only way to get their job done but the reality is there is a meaningful risk that they're not gonna make money on the projects <hes> so i think it's a big big risk for them. The my hedge is i think that's a separate separate question from how big a risk is this for renewables writ large and the future thereof and there. I think jitters got me partially convinced that look a bunch of projects might not have the revenue that they expected that doesn't necessarily kill renewables for the long term but i do think it'll have some some dampening effect on future developments. I give give it an eight for developers and i give it like a four four canada. Big picture future renewables christine brzezinski is a senior associate. The global law firm orton rose fulbright. She joined us from her office in manhattan christine. Thank you so much for helping. Explain this share things for having me. She'll con is my co hosts in a managing director rector energy impact partners. She'll we scratched your merchant ish. Are you satisfied. Yes consider the scratched. You don't have to talk about it again. For another year. Uh-huh both you're doing these deals and you want to respond or out of the conversation. The best place to do that is on twitter jails there. I'm there the interchanges there here. We want to hear from you so respond to the topics <hes> we'd we'd love to hear about your experiences. You can of course find anywhere you get your podcast and if you're here's someone who hasn't done their podcasting civic duty please rate and review us on the platform of your choice. If it has a rating system apple getting the most popular it is a a huge help to getting us new listeners. 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The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

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The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

"Surfaced Gerald here as a football pro, I've seen some wild fantasy football superstitions but you don't. He look you just need IBM. Watson is the I in the ESPN fantasy. APP analyzing millions of sources to give you insights on players and trades visit IBM, dot com slash fantasy football. Stories on and off the field told by the biggest danger game. This sporting life with Jeremy Shop on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance guests on the sporting life appear via the shell pennzoil performance line. Welcome to another edition of the sporting life coming up. Later in the show, we'll be joined by the one in the only couch Slouch, Norman Chat but first. Week one of the twenty twenty NFL season wasn't like anything. We previously witness the Games played against the backdrop of the pandemic all but two of them in stadiums void fans at the same time these would be the first NFL games played since the killing of George Floyd which sparked the social justice movement that is swept over the country four years after Colin Kaepernick took a knee during the playing of the national anthem to protest police brutality. Graces them what would it be like now with so many more athletes so many more players in the NFL engaged in vocal in the movement. For more we're joined by ESPN senior writer Howard, Bryant Howard. Thank you for being with US Jeremy. How are you doing? I'm good. Sir We talked about this on TV already but now we have a little more breathing room on radio. To elaborate It's five days after the first game of the season couple days after the big slate of games. How did you process everything that we saw this week one this historic week one well I think the first thing was we know that right now. In the time that we live in where in a battle for images and optics and appearances I was really struck by the fact that the Miami Dolphins and come out with their statement about not wanting to be part of those optics and not wanting to be part of what they considered to be performances and I thought that this was very interesting because the NFL even if you just take everything away if we can for a second, let's just remove the NFL from everything else. Let's just take football away from the NBA from tennis from all the rest of it they are very specific industry and They are really the center of what we're talking about for a few reasons. This is all their fault in a lot of ways they could. They created this antipathy between protests and the players why? Because of their harsh treatment of comcast I've always said that Colin Kaepernick. In a lot of ways is a creative figure. And when I say created I mean, he was created because of the reaction and that just the Reaction Right Howard but Colin Kaepernick did not make a point of telling the world that he gone back into the locker room. Well, it's the it's the reaction to him by his industry and I always wondered as we've talked about this for four years. Now, what would have happened if they had just left him alone? Or? What we talk about this I I, I always think about this. What would have happened if the NFL and the forty niners had just let him stay in the corner for his sixty seconds of the national? Anthem. It was the reaction that created the outrage. It was the reaction that made this issue and so now when you think about surgery, it excuse me how I if. I'm sorry to interrupt, but if I don't really remember. Now it's been four years you say that the details my recollection was at the beginning the NFL said unlike the NBA for instance with Muck Mood Abdul Roaf he could do whatever he wants during the national anthem, which is when you know he took the knee and and. on the advice of nate, Boyer. But at some point that changed change during the season obviously, and it really kicked into high gear when he became a free agent and nobody touched him, right so. That's the shot. Across the bow actually shot to all the other players about here's how this industry feels. Here's how this industry is going to react to protest. Here's how this industry is going to deal with this issue going forward it was the most. We talked about the other day. The NFL is the least ambiguous industry in America, when it came to protest. So now here we are four years later or three years later some Catholic. You know went unsigned in twenty seventeen season, and now you have the NFL having to re navigate this because the world has changed and so it was very interesting to me to see how they were going to navigate this because you know and I know their politics haven't changed their in much more of a different situation than some of the other sports because they were so obdurate against protests. In the first place. So they have created a expectation on the part of their fans to be harsh against protests. They've had owners come forward and essentially say whether it was Steve Ross or whether it was John Mara or weather Steve This Scotty that they did not feel that there was a place for protests in the sport they came out and create more rules and penalties against protest. So they're the ones more than any other sport that we're really in a sort of box and how do we how to really and just to the shifting shape of the world right now And how do I think they did I think that I think they are trying very hard to escape ways. Marginally consistent optics with the rest of the world but they're optics aren't consistent because they were so harsh. So you have Eric Reed come out calling Condom Diabolical for adding Colin capital to their social justice campaign and it looks very, very strange when you see players taking a knee. And and you have some of the other teams like the dolphins calling out the performance of nature of it. So it's GonNa be really interesting to see what the stamina level is for the NFL, which is very different than the other sports we're speaking with ESPN, senior writer, Howard Bryant, who of course has been covering. Colin Kaepernick story for the last four years in his written so so well in for so long about social justice issues in sports in general. Ah One of the things I was thinking about Howard. Over the course of that first NFL weekend is the dynamic inside the stadiums in the absence of fans. We saw what happened last Thursday night arrowhead where there were boos. After the Texans I guess it stayed inside of the anthems and then came out and lock arms with the chiefs their booze. There was only one other stadium in which fans were allowed last weekend that was in. Jacksonville. Without fans to react and to amplify or unidentified, whatever it may be how does that affect the way these protests these gestures of solidarity are conceived and then received I. Think it creates distortion because we just don't know that was the question with the NBA as well which was would the Milwaukee Bucks in Orlando Magic really have not come out of out of the tunnel if there were twenty thousand fans waiting for them. Expecting basketball game. So I think that these elements just make core an even stranger year just we don't know those answers, but I think what it does do in the absence with the in the absence of fans is it allows people to create it allows the lead to create a new dynamic. It allows the players to sort of make a few chest balloons of their own in terms of deciding how do we want you know what is this new foundation going to look like and I? Think that's what you're really watching right now is that he's God in an entirely new foundation that's being laid in the wake of a very hostile one. You know I mean, and let's not forget that this is not just the sports world. This is everybody. This is the entire culture when you're watching television in new. Jersey Mike's you know some commercial as I was watching the tennis, this weekend you. You know they mentioned that they're you know giving money to uncontrollably skin and you know all of this is in the wake of George Floyd all of this, the country is shifting and as the country shifts sports have to shift as well and you're going in a totally different direction as he talked about on the Air I think we we spent we spent the last twenty years with the politics of patriotism, and now we're going to spend however whatever the stamina level is. We're GONNA find out what the stamina level is for the politics of police. Because the players don't seem like they are going to back away from this we're speaking with ESPN senior writer, Howard, Bryant's We'll have more from Howard in our nick. Welcome back to the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP it's time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless. Welcome back to the sporting life. Speaking with ESPN senior writer Howard Bryant in the wake of the first week of the NFL season, which you know at this point in our culture has kind of become a national holiday unto itself but against a very different backdrop this year. Of course, the Social Justice Movement that we witnessed for the last nearly four months since the killing of George Floyd, the pandemic which took hold just a few weeks after the playing of the last Super Bowl, we're talking about up mostly empty stadiums were talking about gestures of protests from players way in a way that we haven't seen previously. Sir Leave in more. So than than four years ago when Colin Kaepernick started the movement in Pro Sports, you could say With his protesting the anthem. And we are again as I said, joined by Howard Bryant of ESPN at Howard. Before I ask you some questions about tennis which I know you were find the US Open files very closely as well, and it was an interesting weekend in tennis. Do you think the. What do you think the impact is of the player protests eight you know we hear. So often now in our society that everything is baked in, you know we're we're so polarized. We're so divided you know. or or it's you know there's forty percent one side forty percent of the other side in this twenty percent kind of up for grabs. Well, what do you think the player protests do in terms of moving the needle in the direction of their cause? I think that I think it's valuable because I think that and I don't think it's the players I I think the players are helping. Let's not forget my opinion this Jeremy I I don't know if we've talked about this or not. But my opinion on this is that the players And the United, states as you know as a corporate entity. They were reacting to protests. So what we're really seeing is we're seeing the reaction to the reaction to Minneapolis and I think once you saw those images of George, Floyd being killed once you saw those images of people in the street in New York and DC in Minneapolis I think everybody think this was the enough is enough moment i. think it was the the moment no different from say and until in nineteen, fifty five that really spurred the civil rights. Movement. I think it's no different than when Menounos four little girls were killed. September fifteenth. Nineteen sixty three and that spurred civil rights legislation. Exactly right and so and even from a from a more trivial standpoint I think it's no different than Barry von on hitting seventy three home runs and it may baseball though. Not Enough we've got a drug problem when they had to finally admit we have a drug problem and I think this moment made people probably because of the pandemic everybody was in the house. Everybody was watching everybody was cooped up everybody was reaching a point and I think that when you see George would getting killed and you see the reaction I think. that. Was the enough is enough moment and I think that could corporations in the country our company, a lot of companies around the country suddenly recognized that this was something we had to deal with at some level and I think the players followed and I think when Matt happens to get to a long way of answering your question I think when that happens. You create new baselines in this society and I think what the players have done is being done to create sort of a new baseline and it's GonNa be rough right now. But over time I think you'll see something different. You know are you going to see in racism in every single sport? I don't know how long that's GonNa last but maybe you see soccer all the time those those signs went up and they remained when you're watching the Champions League and the Premier League it's extra I. Think there are are the players going to threaten me wildcat strikes and boycotts whenever somebody gets killed I don't think so but I think that the players have certainly created a new deal with the public and with their and with the people who own sports teams that that possibility there, which brings everything back to Labor that the players are exercising a level of power. And I think there's value with Matt as well because the players are really saying especially, Naomi, Osaka the western and southern before the US, open? where she phrased it very, very cleverly where she said I don't think it's important you to watch me play tennis right now she didn't say I don't think it's important. I played tennis right now she was saying I'm not going to contribute to your distraction. And so that changes the deal that changes the deal significantly because people love to treat athletes as well. You know you're here entertainment you have no say in any of this, the players are proving that they do have to say the question is also going to be what is going to be the stamina level for the public what how how is the public going to react and I think with the players are doing is they're daring the public to not come they're gonNa say, okay are you really willing to not watch sports again because we had a problem with George Floyd being murdered by police And I think that going to see overtime isn't eventually we'll get used to a new template, but a new template is definitely coming speaking with ESPN senior writer Howard Bryant. In Howard. And by the way here, he can I throw one last thing here of course I think it's also important I think it's also important to remember something else and is I think the players are citizens I don't think they're radicals I don't think I, don't think this is going to be dynamic where the players don't WanNa play I think they wanNA play and I think they are I think that we've seen that in. College sports as well. Would players saying we want we WANNA play, but we also want to have more Sarah, and so I think that what we have to get used to and it's important because obviously generation we you know it and I know it. But maybe a lot of listeners don't know it. You know there was a time when even the players in baseball believed that free agency was going to destroy the sport. And yet the world came up the sun came up today and the business was even more profitable in the game became more exciting and we all kept going forward. So we're in a massive period of transition right now but I think it was I thought it was really significant that the players in the NBA went to Barack Obama and of course, he suggested that they go back to work. So it wasn't a radical movement. It was a moderate movement they took one day. And then they say things that they want to be heard but they're not stopping traffic they're not stopping the game they're not boycotting the actual sport. It's not like they're walking off the court in the second you know in the second quarter, they are citizens may want to perform, but they also want to be heard and so I feel this has gone much more smoothly than it could have been I mean imagine if they had walked out and said, you know what we're all Right, now. that would have changed much much more. In Howard I had planned. To Talk to you about tennis a little bit now. Of course, dominant team But but we're running short on time. We talk tennis again soon because the French Open is right around the corner, which seems like a strange thing to say in September but before I do let you go you're a Boston guy you're an NFL guy you've covered league for a very long time. What was it like? Being in in the Commonwealth and watching the events transpire as they did with the Tampa Bay buccaneers this past weekend I was really stunned by the number of people who would send out on social media Tom who played no be better than that New England I think. You, know as like that's predictable. Predictable. You not here anymore but I I think that there's a huge number of people that are still rooting for Tom Brady and deep down they wanna see the the. I Want I. WanNa, see the buccaneers succeed I think I think it's GonNa be really difficult for anybody for the last twenty years unless you weren't bleeding. Patriots colors to see age takeover, Tom Brady, and to see him and to see him fail. But I. also think there's a bit of vindication on the part of a lot of people here who realize that you can't play forever and you can see the Radi with slipping and there's a there's a little bit of that. Well, it was time attitude as well. Certainly. An interesting dynamic. No doubt about it with CAM CAM in Boston and Tom and Tampa Mister Bryant, it's always a pleasure and We always appreciate your insights. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you so much sheriff. Howard. Brian Straight. Talk. Wireless no commitment no compromise. You're listening to the sporting life with Jeremy Shop on ESPN radio more coming. Up Next. Welcome back to the sporting life own ESPN radio and the ESPN APP brought to you by Shell v Power. nitro plus premium gasoline. Welcome back to the sporting life We had a lot of plans for the upcoming segments most fell through. We had to go to plan B. Probably should have waited to formulate another plan a but instead we went to plan B. which means welcoming back to the show one of our most frequent guests Norman Chad Norman thank you for joining us. First of all this would be planned why so you just trying to be kind. Second of all, I want to frequent guest. You have a weekly show with two or three guests I p your bi annually so you do the math. That's true. The math biannual meet every once every two years or once every six months i. Remember. Semi annual sale you know macy's is. Every two years two years means nothing. See. It sounds like I know you're right but it sounds like every six months. It sounds like it should also mean semi annual understand I know you're. I mean were like five or six years old this country celebrated spy centennial, right? According to you that meant that we were that was our fifth year anniversary as a nation or something like that. Two Hundred Years Tell me speaking with Norman Chad the couch slouch poker legend. Sports Television legend set a I think that's a fair way of describing you. The CESKA centennial is one fifty. Did you say a word that I heard you say, what did you just say sex quiz intentional is one fifty it's one of my favorite words. If we were on a desert island together the over under for survival for both of us would be two and a half days there would be a justifiable homicide if I killed you. I think we'd get along we get along. So well, that's just not true. You know I we we play this kind of bickering couple on the radio but in we really get along quite well but I'm trying to look up this word I'm going through my photos on my phone. There's a word because I was on block island Wasserman block island. Is off the coast of Rhode Island ten miles from Rhode Island Connecticut. It's. Really cool place and I was exploring the islanders Iraq settlers rock it was dedicated in one thousand, nine, hundred, sixty one to celebrate the Tur- centennial. That's what the rocks is. True. Be tricentennial. Would you say tricentennial they see tercentenary off the top of my head I would think it's tricentennial but that's a term I've never thought of before. So you're claiming there say it's the what centennial te are Centennial Turtur centennial never heard that term before his great radio. I gotta ask you last time we spoke you were having a hard time as many have dealing with pandemic some personal losses in. Your Life. Now, I'm seeing is grueling you a whole big story about you turning a bad beat into something upbeat. With the UK Luca challenge can you tell us about your journey over the last several months? Okay. The bad beat is there something I'm beat upbeat by the way he's just a bad writers interpretation of my wife. Wow. That's a nice thing to say about somebody wrote a very flattering piece about you and and laudatory but now I understand he's very he's as his name is Jesse fully, he's a very talented individual writing is not as is number one strength. So yes. I would never say that about you you have so many number one strengths they'd be we call co number ones or maybe Kerr number ones Or. Anyway. Yes When we spoke or when I last had contact with you when I was clinging to a lifeboat and you get to me when you can that was cova. Funny Actually, I think I I'm sorry. Can You? Just, I've just I'm sorry. I was trying to answer your question I. Didn't I didn't mean I understand sometimes your question has multiple parts. So you're speaking again they're. Not. I'm merely reacting to what you said please proceed. Okay. You know actually when Donald Trump decides talked to Bob Woodward That was the third who asked him for nineteen conversations the first two were you and Charlie rose and to his credit Donald Trump said no I won't have enough time to talk if Jeremy Shepherd Charlie rose asked me questions so he went with Woodward who is much more concise with this questions. Continue please I've been begging you to continue to proceed I we're GONNA run out of time. So yes, the bad between up. He was the fact that through a series of a very bad things that had happened and including loss of income loss of job loss of life in terms of we've been separated for six or seven months because of pandemic loss of my dog who passed away I decided to for mental health purposes to try to pick up my spirits I do suffer from depression that from my home where I was by myself that I would start doing something on twitter twitter is the most toxic negative. Twitter hateful. I hate twitter yes. You know we and I I know that in your heart, you're certainly not fond of twitter you. Know what twitter can be? And I have to deal actually in poker twitter more than real life twitter, which is another level of bad twitter. It's not as bad as the worst twitter out there. But since I deal mostly in poker twitter I, decide instead of the toxic and hateful life put up something positive there and let's say twitter for positive purposes and I started doing a little dance in my home I taped every day called Luca Luca and with the dance I tried to put out a positive message that you know. In the short life we lead, we should make others lives. So miserable, we should get along better. We shouldn't judge people based on race religion or ethnic background, and I was generally the the whole thing that Uku Dance Jeremy, it's like a thirty second little stupid dance right? Just you know I can't sing and I can't dance by literally said Lean to the left lean to the right glance at the heavens and dance all night. It's time to Luka that was the whole song so I put that out. Yeah I never saw. And so some people told me that sound like the I had to look it up gloom. Palumbo Lupu poop. Lucas something similar Beluga. said it balloon PGA Okay I looked up and I didn't mean to do that and plus that's a whole different thing plus other people told me it reminded me of something that I might have subconsciously be doing so I did this in college while I was drunk it was put your left foot out which very foot but. You wanted to do. Something like that. Close to that, but that's the one I might have been thinking of social, Socia-. Started doing. The discussion ninety, our producer just waited the hokey pokey, not the not the Hanky polk that's the one I might have been. Did it daily for ninety days? Some people you know some people love that a lot of people hate it. They told me it was a career ender. Oh, that's GonNa hurt me what what career my ending. You know they told me look stays on the Internet forever. You look really bad. That's really gonNA. Hurt me when I'm six feet under. So I did for ninety days till I got coded and my idea of it was that eventually it would be a we are the. World like a from a generation or two ago what all the kids would join hands and they would do it together and we all get together longer get together better and also also raise money for charity, which finally I am starting October first at the whole thing was delayed right if fact I did get coded normally I would think I you know I don't know how I got covert and I had not done any interviews with you, which could have been a covert 'cause. 'cause this thing can get transmitted and a lot of different ways but Cohen sat me back either the viruses passed I. still have the after effects of it and one of them is agreeing to do the interview but I will go ahead with the Hoop Lupu charity challenge. You'll be like an ice bucket challenge that will start October first there's you're. Involved, but I'll start to do with that one is I'm going to pick a different charity every month. or every two months because I'll do it for at least a year and I will put out a challenge to to different people. So I'll start with poker people I'm going to go to more people I'm going to go to like pseudo sports broadcast journalists so I have six or seven of those listed, and you are actually in that group. So I'll put it out to the to what they will do is that they will do it takes thirty seconds and they'll they'll do Kaluka they will contribute fifty dollars for the charity and they'll put it out to other people and one chain gets broken. I'll start it again in the two new people. So that's the whole idea, and again I'll be switching charities they'll they'll switch from there'll be some food bank charities there'll be some rescue dog charities there'll be some mental health charities. My first or second charity is going to be involving a University of North Carolina. academic foundation which helps young black journalists learned become reporters and places them in reporting positions and helps learn investigative journalism skills in all sincerity norman. It's great to hear that you are on the mend, not only physically, but emotionally as well and that you're you're doing so much good with the initiative it feels weird being sincere to you though it's just like it's kind of an out of body experience. We're talking to Norman Chad. The couch slouch will be back with more of my conversation with Norman and our next segment. Welcome back to the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance cars, homes, boats, motorcycles. And more at progresive DOT com. Welcome back supporting life where again joined by the One and only Norman Chad we have. It's. It a love hate relationship is a big brother little brother kind of mentor mentor relationship. How would you? How would you describe it to someone who has the misfortune tuning in? Randomly expecting sports radio and hearing us. Instead you're close, I think three or four different. Right now of that of the possibility of what it is an all of them are close without hitting it hidden nail on the head. and you know I can't hit the nail. would be the little brother I never wide out as a mentor you never wanted So you know we're only difference in age by about I think ten or eleven years it feels a lot longer than that a lot larger than that. You're a lot smarter than me but I try try to bridge the gap with street smarts You really don't get out on the street and. With somebody WHO's driving somewhere and I know your personal drivers taking off right now so I really can't describe it correctly I do have a very deep and abiding respect for you It's almost like a like a romance of some type. Let's bromance in which we would never be under the same roof definitely absence makes the heart grow fonder in this situation there's dude that's been proven. Over. The years time and again, you know football season for you is special time of the year as it is for. So many Americans put especially for you your observations after week one of this bizarre NFL season I'll try to. As I can first of all actually years ago I used to write that football could be a studio sport people ridiculed me. I know we we love the pageantry of the fans and especially in college football how much you? But I think he would find that if we went this entire year with football played an empty stadiums that we'd also be watching. So I don't think you need the fans from that very narrow standpoint my second point I hate to pick on ESPN. Let's just go back to my old days of being a sports TV critic. You've always hated doing it. I. Know You break reluctance. Last year actually on twitter. I went through where ESPN decided that the little I down and ten and third and sixth. Graphic it would switch places on TV the team was going left to right. It'd be over in the left hand corner and when they were going right to left, it'd be over the right hand. This was one of the. Things I'd ever seen. You know we just WANNA look worried says to me. Sir I said, it seems to make sense to me right? You know guess ruly you're looking in one direction. No, it doesn't make sense. Okay. When he okay and you'RE GONNA stand watching TV 'cause you just make TV. Exchange. Watching TV, we have sort of a thick sense sort of another conscience which just looks the same spot again and again and again and again, and again like you're looking at the same spot for the twenty four second clock during an NBA game in the same place without even realizing you're doing it you look the same exact spot looking for third and five. Second Eight without thinking Oh, they're going left to right or right to left. I WILL GIVE ESPN credit actor campaign that we we protested around the country we we did rings around stadiums we went to Bristol we took down the satellite dishes they changed it before the end of the year they made it to like every other was still alive I remember that. Things there was something about there's something also about the color of the font styles. That is a more of a I would say more of a Silicon Valley Slash Ivy League type issue. So forget about the fonts right now we just got that first and ten put into the same spot as it is on Fox and NBC ABC and CBS and all the others this year, all the sports TV now because decided increasingly that on the score graphic at the bottom of the screen or wherever it is instead of just putting up the names of the teams. Like. Titans. Texans. We'll put up the logos. So actually some of the lowers are not clear. Some of them are very clear but some of them are not exactly clear when you first look at what team is that. Now, why should we have to try to figure out what team it is? Jeremy. When we look at the score, why shouldn't it just say Tennessee in Dallas? Cowboys but no on Monday night football last night on two different games I had to look at a graphics, and of course, eventually, I could figure out you know because I just want the University of Maryland what they were. You shouldn't have to try to figure them out. It should be as simple as its equivalent of headline Jeremy. The headline should not talk I'll talk to the right people talk to the right people can. This wailing. Wreck Dave. On. Campaign. Now I don't want you to waste any energy. I'll handle kids sitter it. Done. Were speaking with Norman Chad he's getting himself very exercised over snow of these things which I appreciate in terms of gambling. I'm curious. Is there a home field advantage when they're no homefield fans and how is that going to affect the way? You consider. Lines this year, which is one of those things you do I consider each game up to fifteen seconds in my head. So I don't go through all the other and I got. Important. Most important thing is definitely. Your Gut I go with Gut, which is considerable at this point even though Cova took fifteen pounds off my waist line I go with gut? Instinct I go with what I have seen and what I have known over the years. But what you're pointing out does make a difference because we do know that for instance, some places are more difficult to play. You can't even hear you know the counts at the at the line of scrimmage when they're so loud in domes like in New Orleans or Atlanta or in Seattle. So that is not as much of a factor travelers still factor when teams have to go you know twenty, five, hundred miles that's still factor and all that. But when you're playing an empty place or when you're playing the bubble, obviously, there's no home court for the NBA. That's a whole different ballgame. So you don't think of home field. Homefield will be reduced in that way I'm sure. That, the sports books and the gamblers will take that in consideration and that will change the the lines I. The very first game I was wrong I took the cowboys against the rams and I realized that it. You know it was sort of like a neutral field there'd be playing in an empty stadium and so that didn't make much of a difference I thought the cowboys were. The better team. So I thought they'd win and they did not I was wrong in that game but I did it did run for my mind Jeremy that there's no homefield advantage and they're playing it essentially a neutral site. The only thing that comes into play is is is travel and I didn't think that was a big deal I thought the cowboys would win and I was wrong. Norman, let me ask you your wordsmith. You do have a way with words a certain terseness of style twenty, twenty in a word. How would you describe it so far? Screwed. And, some people told You keep telling me when you know we can't wait till twenty twenty over. Thank goodness is only three more months whatever you know twenty twenty one could be worse if twenty twenty one is worse, it would screwed squared like I. Don't think we cover I do think that we might recalibrate where we're looking at. I don't think it's going to happen I think we'll all go back to normal eventually. If Twenty, twenty one goes back close to what we knew before twenty twenty people will be watching sports in groves. Bow Hoping that some of US would take a step back and say, Hey, there's something else out there. We should be taking a look at it a little more a little more seriously you'll gives me hope, norman, what's this picture of you on this story Norman Chad turns a bad beat into something upbeat. Smile. You know the picture I don't. Look like it looks like a belly laugh at. With Norman Chad. Yeah. You're a poker table. I've always found that poker. BLACKJACK poker and blackjack and poker as much more social than Blackjack that when I'm GonNa Poker table everything else I can shut out and at a poker table I'm a whole different personality I'm actually can be in a good mood and I try to put everybody else in a good mood and poker adjusts makes me smile sometimes. So they found a picture of me smiling and a poker table. You know it's a full moon situation during the course of counter day. I'm GonNa Poker table I'm actually laughing and talking and smiling a lot and you know. So that gives you hoping. Saw Me smiling that makes me smile makes me happy. Norman. It's always a pleasure speaking to you. We appreciate your contributions over the years to the show and I'm very. Encouraged to hear that you are on the mend. Actually the way you said, it sound like a lifetime achievement honor when you know you're throw me over the overboard working. Little liked at. Through the bull. So yeah, it's been. It's been a pleasure being on your show biannually. I've always appreciated it I'll see if I can find us really more or let's be honest. It's really more semiannual than I. DO appreciate it because I can't get you know regular ESPN people do not call me Germany's you know this person who calls me is the guy who has a Saturday show at like four. o'clock in the morning Galapagos time and so I do appreciate that you've reached out over the years to me as you have and You know you've run through so many producers and you've run through you know so many booker's who just it's hard to work with you but I, appreciate the cheap coming back to me again and again usually during Olympic years, which as we know are every two years now?

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Episode 472: Brandon Webb is back to discuss some significant show and company updates

SOFREP Radio

18:09 min | 1 year ago

Episode 472: Brandon Webb is back to discuss some significant show and company updates

"<music> is it doesn't work. You're just not using enough. You're listening to Sulphur Lady Special Operations military meals on straight talk with the guys in the community <music>. Uh Hey everybody welcome to Safra radio all giants for the delay but I'm back Brandon Webb. Those of you probably notice a few changes lately. Jack's gone without getting into too many details. I will say like you know. We're starting to see Jacko. He's been a part of the show for over. Five years is now yeah I would just say you know. Sometimes change is good and part of the things I WANNA do. This show's really give you guys an update on kind of the State of affairs with the company you know we just been through a lot of changes. We launched our e commerce division couple years ago. Those guys know the Creek Club that business took off and we got really kind of grew too fast. One of the lessons I learned was once you're experiencing that that rapid growth everything seems fine but when it starts to taper off you start realizing potential or not potentially so realizing the real problems right and I think just to be honest with you guys what one of the things that happened to us as a business that we we just got behind our our supply chain we we didn't have good forecasting in place and I had you know just the team was was junior and good people but none of us had really experienced with with really the kind of growth that we experience with ECOMMERCE product the cricket club so you know that said you know now. We're at a point where I brought on new President Ryan. Iran's a great guy comes from eight years away watchers. Award an M._B._A.. And we're really focused on getting the business back in good shape part of that is investing back into the content side of the side of the business and over the years we started with the original website Safra to cover her out of Special Operations News and history and that's kind of morphed into a news site and then morphed again and then we we started all these other websites and kind of tried to bring it in under one house but what we realized you know I would say the last six months. We really need one site to house everything so that's all of our content podcasts are store and so you know the update is now were were building kind of super site. Domain name will will be a surprise for you guys but it's coming probably by September latest and we're gonNA. How's everything under one house so I think a lot of the fans of the show? If you're fans the old site software dot com a lot of changes. I think you guys will be be happy with so we're bringing bringing back. A lot of popular features that you guys probably miss. I mean I know most of you. Most of you have missed because you write in but anyway that's a lot of changes going on there and you know I think you know without getting into any drama Jack Jack and I just you know agreed to part ways and and we wish him to death. He's a great writer told Jack Back. He's always welcome back anytime but you know he has to go his own way so anyway. I'll be standing in as the host. I think the format will be a little bit different. Now the Jack's gone. I think you know we're covering a lot of for author material politics. I kind of want to get back into the storytelling. I know that this this show I started and what one thing we're big on his kind of telling and sharing different experiences that the guys had ad whether they served overseas and Africa Iraq Afghanistan so we're kind of bringing some of those those interesting stories back and letting these guys share the experiences and also you know we're not going to shy away from the entertainment as well in fact act. My guest for the next show is going to be Todd Robinson. WHO's a film director in Hollywood todd just finished a movie called the last full measure? The last full measure is about a airforce para-rescue operator that think it was twenty or thirty years later got awarded the Medal of Honor Top just finished that movie the movies out October twenty fifth. I'm going to get some special prescreening codes for the Safra Listeners Jenner's audience so so stay tuned for that next show. I'll give you guys some some special access. Potentially maybe even be able to convince todd to give us. Maybe a red carpet ticket or to to give away to you guys but the movie looks great. So you can go see the trailer online right now again. It's the last full measure and todd will be joining us next episode of Safra Radio Todd and I go way back taught and I worked on my first book and sold it to a <music> C._B._S.. which we ended up they bought it? We ended up getting it back. When Nina one of the executives they're left? They scrapped all our projects so we ended up getting the Red Circle back and taught on our talking about working on another project together other baton and I also are part of the same flying group those of you follow me on Instagram. No I'm a huge aviation not and I fly planes in my instagram handle for those that don't know at Brandon t web but todd and I are part of a former military group that fly twice a year and we fly Yak Fifties Nanjing's some crazy millet former military trainers when we get together kind of twice a year for this kind of fight club of airplanes the planes I would at some undisclosed location in southern California and that's actually how I initially met todd. He's one of the only non former military guys that is allowed to fly with the group. He's he's a great pilot. He he recently out promoting the movie on the East Coast and him and I got to fly together. He actually flew his Marquetia out here. He has a Italian Marquette S._F.. Two Oh six so we did some form did a couple couple of days. We flew to to block island for lunch and over the last weekend we we ended up flying to Oxford in Connecticut which a little airport with a nice restaurant so you know todd and I had a chance to catch up on on the movies. He said he's excited to get on the show and talk to you. Guys is more about what it was like to make that movie I know he he spent a lot of time with the active duty Air Force special ops community has great great technical advisors on there and one of the things that I know that having worked a little bit of production you can have the best military technical advisors in the world but if the producers directors aren't gonNA listen you still end up with with some cheesy product those guys now you my friend Chris. This kyle who book American sniper is made into a film my initial reaction that movie wasn't very positive in the sense from a military technical point of view because I just thought they did. They didn't do the sniper scenes justice but I kind of came around. When I noticed the main message that movie I which I thought Clint Eastwood did a really brilliant job delivering on was the toll that the military service takes on the family life and I think the movie really showed that that human human toll or it's not just the guy's going overseas and operating that that are affected? It's like the the wives the brothers the sisters and the kids back home that that also sacrifice quite a bit and I thought Clinton did. Did a great job on that but the technical side of that movie was pretty pretty bad but anyway. I'm excited to get todd back on the show. I'M GONNA try and probably take a little bit different direction. Now that that I'm I'm back in the in the host seat. We're we're also interviewing potential candidates to to kind of help me host the show again because I do have a day job running running the main business. We've got some guys that are from the Air Force special ops community. We've got got a guy and plus the regular all the writers from all the different websites. We'll we'll be filling in in the meantime just to kind of pitch in until we can locate permanent hosts. We're also talking to those guys know feel camping in British Fish S._A._S. friend of mine over over in London. He's offered to pitch in as well so the radio show will continue. I know you guys are a couple of guys are putting posts on my on my instagram account saying bring back software radio. I think we've only been down for just over a week. <hes> then we're back up so I appreciate you guys stand with us the other thing I wanted to just finish up on so you know as a business owner and somebody that's that started the business. It's about six years ago. We're kind of at a point where we're building the super site to house all of our content or potentially looking at you know how do we would domain name houses everything so kind of one domain name to to rule them all and then we're going out to do some fundraising towards the end of this year to really take the the company to the next level in go kind of back all into the content side of the business so more more video <hes> we've got you know we've got the team room series which I know everyone really really enjoyed that currently lives on this backup channel our APP or video channel APP but that series. We've already got a date picked out in October. No word kickoff <hes> another series of of the team room show this time with the Marine Corps special operations guys were going to be having some great content up on the site in early October from the Cracow Academy. That's going down we we actually we had a few filled up the academy pretty quick but we've got a few people have to cancel because the schedule so we do still have some spots available. If you guys are interested in that Create Club Academy we can and the September but we're going to we're going to get some great video and trying to try and provide that experience for those of you can't make it for that weekend. You'll definitely be all to kind of see what the crate club Kademi is all about it really just focused on going back getting back to basics and what what we do with podcast the videos the writing staff and kind of going all in on the content side of the business to to really kind of grow the digital footprint so that that's kind of our plan in look. It's it's been a up and down. The journey for me personally and it and it sucks you know one at one point we we probably had sixty people in our down under thirty so but hey we're you know we started the business with no outside capital and so we've just had to kind of adjust. I think you've been sailing terms. You kinda just the sales to the to the changing wind conditions. The digital environment was not what it was like five six years ago when we started the business so that's that one of the things I wanted to talk about as well. I've I've been working on a novel now for over four years. I've been chipping away at at the side and the novels called steel fears a working title and that that book I'm is based off of of the true story you know the the book I wrote is about a serial killer on an aircraft carrier what gave me the inspiration behind. That idea was. We we ended up having before I was a navy seal was a search and rescue swimmer on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln and we had had women on the ship was the first time they allowed to integrate women on onto the ship and on that deployment we had a sexual Predator on the boat and this guy assaulted like I think eight times the assaulted these women they never caught the guy and so it just shows you that environment is not when you're working on an aircraft carrier with launching airplanes. There's five thousand people it's a mini city but there's really no police F._B._I.. Investigative a you know unit on that ship and so I remember when this was happening. The woman were terrified on the boat because he also everybody knows each other schedule. Usually it's like twelve on twelve off. Everyone knows where everybody lives a and so in there are multiple field living quarters but this guy got away with it and it just made me think imagine if it was a serial killer on the ship not to mention you can't just pull an aircraft over to the side and just okay. Let's let's have a timeout here in the Persian calls basically protecting the Straits of Hormuz to make sure the oil world oil supplies flowing in and out of the Persian Gulf and the Straits as those you've seen in the news recently things heating up with with Iran it's mainly they're threatening the potential Straits of Hormuz like ships getting in and out of the out of the Persian Gulf through that that narrow straits and so pretty excited about the book the point is I you know I was working for four years and then guys that are familiar with my my first book the Red Circle John Man similar situation. I had finished largely finish the bulk of the manuscript and my agent broaden John Help me finish the book and he just made it much much better and so I've been working with John just about every every book project since then aside from the few few that I've done on my own but I reached out that John is like. Look John You gotTa help me. I've been too busy. This is a great story. Everyone I talked to about it in Hollywood thinks it's a great screen play and so let's get this thing done so we're just wrapping that up and I probably probably will start sharing some excerpts on the main site so stay tuned for that and I'll just kind of like share that whole experience with you guys keep you posted even as we go out with with my agent and sell the book hopefully my friend mark dark resonant at Saint Martin's press picks it up Saint Martin's press the great company typically. They'll pay big advances and this has got to be a big book. I WanNa make this make a big splash with this book and the thing about selling books is is not a me wanting more more money. I just know the more that they offer for that book. On the advance. The more pot committed they are on making sure that book is a success right so as opposed to you know first time off author selling book for Fifty Grand Twenty Grand Advance. It's really kind of they just and they do a lot of those deals but the books you don't get a ton of marketing support internally because they they're just they know they've. They're going to make their money back. No matter what given the distribution channels they have they know at a minimum they're gonNA make money on that book but when they when they have to put in a pretty big advance then they there's a little bit of skin in the game so that that's one of the reasons why John and I want shop around and and get the best price we can because it'll just make sure that the book is going to be get out there in the world and and make some noise so steel fear. I think is a great title. We're still looking at a subtitle to go along with that but based on a true story and can't wait for you. Guys to Kinda read a few few excerpts on the main site when we get done but that's it I would say please write in to radio AT SAFRA DOT COM com with any questions you can also hit me up on my instagram account. I know as getting harassed when the show was down for a week in the comments section but go to at Brandon t web on instagram and feel free to drop me at the M I pretty eh much manage my instagram myself. You can't comment or message me I think unless you follow me just was getting too many weird spam comment so I really restricted the comments on the instagram site but I'm happy to answer your questions Russians on the next show so please please write in and I appreciate you guys staying with us. While we're down for for for just over a week there and make no mistake the show will go on and it's much we'll Miss Jack and wish him the best. Are we got some great guests. Great content lined up for you guys so that's it signing off. We'll see you next week. You've been listening to so flip radio new episodes every Wednesday and Friday follow this.

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Paula PK Norton -117

On Mic Podcast

33:00 min | 1 year ago

Paula PK Norton -117

"Hello and welcome to on Mike with Jordan rich great to have you aboard. Remind you that you can also check out on Mike with Jordan rich late night night classics featuring some of the best guests from my long running late night show on WBZ. You can download that with the IHEART APP and find it on all major podcast platforms forms. You can this one. My guest today. Specializes in devising intricate plots of mystery and murder to look at her. You'd never know it. She's a terrific terrific mystery writer with a fine following that is growing Paula. PK Norton is living out her dream as a novelist with stories born out of her work life in the insurance business she created Amy Lynch insurance investigator. She's The star attraction of the latest book. Dead drop also sweet dreams and sweet death and future books in the series. Paul all has many fascinating interests including archaeology. The Association of former intelligence officers and yes. She is a card carrying member she also takes an interest in Paris in Key West fencing. Paula is also a member of sisters in crime and the Cape Cod Writers Association. And we're very thrilled that she had the opportunity to take a little time off from her a regular routine of bumping off certain individuals and then solving crimes anyway. Paula is here so let's go on. Uh Follow Welcome to on Mike Do I have to be careful or are you plotting to take me out here. No but I can tell you a funny story. Well let's start with that. Go ahead Couple of weeks ago I taped a show at. What deion Marshfield. I know the station very very well. You know Tom Foy no. I don't believe so. He and his significant other Patty Abbott. Do Talk Show on Sunday nights and I've interviewed with them a couple of times that the fun and Tom said to me this time he said Paula. We kill me and you next and I said Tom. Will you say that on air so did and then I said on your Tom I would love to kill you well. This opens up a whole canopus. Canopus abilities actually does an aside. I am so honored that I'm in a couple of other books. I'm not just you know suggesting that I be in your book. I'm not coming onto onto here but Want Spencer Book written by the current author of the Spenser series. Who is pretty good? He's very good and the other one. I can't remember it's a thriller and I'm in there too as a talk show host but I'm alive so whatever you'd like to do if I'm not gonNA influence you one way or the other now. I'm working on ways to to kill Tom. Okay and he wants to die on block island. There are worse places to die. So I'M GONNA go check the place see well I can find. It's lovely to meet you. I enjoyed reading One of your books. The Amy Lynch mystery that I read which was dead. Drop and before we get into this series of books and there are at least least three right that are available now three available and two in the works. Wow where does this come from this. Mystery Writing Forte I I can't help but I ride mysteries the same for the same reason that I breath might just have to do it now. Your character is an insurance. Sure investigator. Yes were you. Also in that field of study I was an insurance. I wasn't an investigator but I would've loved to be but you were a rounded enough that maybe that inspired. I was an underwriter for long time by the way insurance is not boring in the Amy Lynch World Q.. So much did this because there are investigators all the time right. Who have to confirm corroborate a claim? Yes so she's involved in that but then it gets a lot deeper and and then I can make up anything I want once. I have acclaimed stout with. You've got a great personality for this. You love this don't you. Yes I do. So let's let's talk a little bit about the origin of Amy and the book series. And then we'll talk about mysteries and general. The first one was what what was the title. The first published first one was sweet. Dreams sweet death okay intriguing title. What was the inspiration for that one My late husband and I went to key West a lot. We I went down for a wedding And we just kept going back because it is one fun place and I thought it'd be a fun place to set a book and I used to walk around there early in the morning and I was the only one up on the whole island. They the island doesn't and get going and I got to see the other side of life there And Got Pretty interest so you start with the location as a trigger for you. I start with a location or the seed of an idea With dead drop my husband and I were in nantucket pocket having cocktails at the Brotherhood. Thieves Him we would I submit. I need a plot and he said okay. Tell me three things. You're interested Indian. And I said Paris archaeology and spies and he sat back and closed his eyes for minute and he gave me the Jerem of the idea for dead drop. Isn't that interesting. How an idea can percolate a but it takes someone like a beloved husband who just comes up with the the spark that sets it off absolutely and I had worked at the dig that is in the story? Oh you did I did yeah. I volunteer archaeology. Just a hobby or a stint interest. Just an intro. I spent one summer in Europe working on a couple of different accu logical pigs. My mother told our friends. I was in Europe for the summer. She never I was doing it in your hands. Dirty digging up relics well. Let's let's back up a little bit so any Lynch is now the star three books to come and you're developing a following and I enjoyed the books very very much reviewed one of them on a radio. Show Talk Radio. WBZ What makes her special. What is her characteristic? That stands out. She's feisty a good way she doesn't take much from anybody right. She gives as good as she gets but she's also fun. It has to be a fun character. If you're writing her all the time you WanNa like her well. She's pretty much the person I'd love to be but I don't quite dare sometimes. Well that's the beauty of being a writer especially a novelist. You can create these worlds world's in a in the safety of your Dan and can make up. Make up all kinds of great stuff. There's a quote on your website that says you love coming up with ways to kill people off and of course these are not real people so nothing to worry about folks but we've sort of seen so much is is it difficult to come up with something sort of original when when you there's so much out there yes it is and I had a fun experience with that when I was trying signed to figure out how to kill the fencer in the cellar and Dorchester. Let's back up fencers not chain link. We're talking about on God. Yes because why why offense. My husband was a fencer. Okay okay And he won a lot of medals. He was good. There's even a tournament named after him. Jack Naughton Hangover Open okay. Why is it called hangover? It's New Year's Day. Oh that makes sense it does okay. Let 'em I wanted the dead fencer in the cellar and I. I wanted him to be stabbed and couldn't quite work it out so I met two friends for lunch one day who are both fencers ones. Also a nurse and we sat for a couple of hours in this restaurant trying to figure out ways for this to happen but to have it be an accident and we acted it out in the restaurant. Toronto must've been a treat for the waiter asked us to But we you know. We googled until we found the right weapon and we had a good time with it. It is fun isn't it When when you know that it's designed to entertain all that and and research is important because people people reading are pretty sharp and they're going to underst no pun intended? He had going to understand understand if something doesn't pass the smell test. So tell me about your researching beyond `and restaurants well I met a couple times with some retired firefighters to get research there I have a retired police chief. I can email anytime. I want a toque. So he keeps me honest with procedures I mean I was trying to have amy's dog go to a crime scene one day and I was not allowed to let that happen K.. I also can email the chief forensic pathologist allergists for the state of Connecticut So you've got a nice car dre of a help Aplin you need to get a facts verified and so forth and you have to get your facts correct enough for people to buy them but at the same time you can make a little up along the way well. That's that's the fun of it right stretching it a little bit now. I want to go back to dead. Drop to when I read the android that one involved a connection to World War Two. Yes and and the history there had to make sense Didn't it it did The woman who was That that Murray Dupree it felt at the dig She was my landlady. When I lived in Paris? Her name was Madame Juban and she had been in the resistance during the German occupation. The for some reason. She had permission to travel to visit her brother in the South France. Several Times I don't know why she got permission but she used to smuggle back forged passports so as they say right what you know exactly. Yeah and she got caught and they broke all fingers She was fascinating woman and she was smaller than me and she was looking right. I think that's the neat thing about Characters like Amy Lynch in your series. These are not super women or Superman. This is not Wonder woman or if this this is a real person with real flaws. Oh you need flaws. It makes them interest exactly. We can identify with that now in deep secrets which is the current book. Mom I killed off my high school boyfriend. Oh boy something. You always had the desire to do. Maybe oh we're still friends. Excellent Sir knows I killed him. Okay and he's okay so it's an honor to be slain in a -solutely and an awful lot of what's in my books is in my life. Let's talk a little bit about something in your bio. I know about fencing now because you told me about your late husband but the Association of former Marine intelligence officers. I can't tell you much you'd have to kill me exactly but you're there is first of all. I didn't realize there was an association for them. George Bush and I belonged to to the same club. That's really impressive. Trouble was I lost my hard. I still have jags membership but I can't find mine so use it for an ID that gives you cred street. cred doesn't it it does- wow very impressive. Now Sisters in crime is a group you belong to. It's actually actually a national organization they have regional groups Women who write mysteries. We have started letting men in. I want to tell you that I'm a frequent library. Goer and I'm not amazed but impressed by the number or a female mystery. Novelist suspense thriller novelist. I think it's close to outnumbering the men. Well it's all because of Nancy drew really really every woman I know who writes mysteries grow operating Nancy. Drew makes sense makes a good box. I once interviewed Not well probably ten years back sue. Grafton she's good it was good almost made it to to Z.. She almost made it to the end of the alphabet She would tell me a similar stories about how her ideas came about and oftentimes. It's you just meeting somebody for lunch. And you see something across the street or you read a headline and there it is i. I was taking a road trip on along the coast of Maine with a couple of people and there was a big sign by the side of the road out a billboard that this fellow had put up he was going to Have a barbecue Anybody who wanted to come was welcome he would provide the meats beats and the salads. Bring Your own bottle in my first thought. was what a wonderful way to commit mass murder. You're such a sweet not lovely lady and yet you're thinking about all this grisly stuff but you're also thinking about the solution the the solving of the crime and that gets interesting. It's fine without giving away all the secret sauce. Do you have a particular style in other words. You write the last page I I as of my experience with John Grisham when I met him at a book fair he was saying that he writes the last page. I and works his way back. I was Laura Blurb and after that I turned it into an excel spreadsheet. Oh by days. And by portions of each day day and with with dead drop at one point I had things happening not in the correct order so I printed the a spreadsheet and cut it up and kind of reshuffled everything on my dining room table at the high tech way and then I sat down and cut and pasted. I think so. You know pretty much where it's going because isn't it true. I mean some people. I've interviewed over the years. Say Well the characters take me where we're going and they decide where it's going to go and thinking that's a little hard to buy a lot of people do it I couldn't I'm to organized for them so in terms of the area where we are We we've always been a place of love literature literature of letters but it seems as though more and more people are getting the bug and writing professionally in New England. CAPE COD is huge You're a member of the Rhode Island Writers Group. You said yes well. So what do you attribute that to. Why Superior Colleges here bright educated people Charming venues and I don't know I think it's partly because we have a lot of cold weather. We read Salat. Yeah that's very good and then we go to the beach and read too. I mean so yeah and then when you trapped inside in the winter if you have to have something to do do right. Thank you write a book. You've got a website which is PK. Norton Dot Com. Now that has changed. I have no one oh pardon me. PK Not an author. Dot Com is the new one. PK NORTON AUTHOR DOT COM. That is brand new. Well thank you finally got a website that I can manipulate myself. Excellent excellent complicated. I wanted to ask the question. That you probably May. Just think about our fantasize about as anyone approached you for a TV or movie re-treatment No one has approached me but I would love to approach them I talk of course this past summer on in screenplay in play and I don't think that that is the right medium for me but I think the Amy Lynch investigations would make a fantastic TV series Scott at all their everything in terms of locations and characters. Who would play Amy Lynch? Have you thought about that. A young Meg Ryan okay. The problem is I don't know how to resolve this. A lot of what goes on in my books Gazon Amy's head And that's a lot of the good stuff. Well that's where a screenwriter needs to step step in and help you out. Now they want you to do all the screenwriting yourself. That is very true. I have a bunch of friends or local writers who are teetering in. It's a lot of work work so I don't know how to get stuff in Amy's head out to the audience. Oh somebody can figure that out because it would make a good series and as as you move through now with five books too that are yet to be published soon to be published. Are we seeing. Amy Evolve. Does a Carter like this age through these books. Yes and she kinda matures a little too. She impede finally get it right But it goes along on slowly but that's fun it is absolutely these characters are alive there at stats out. She hasn't gotten over the death of her fiance and little. Oh by little she gets closure there and then she doesn't want to make a commitment to Pete and yeah the from there then before we close out one of the future books is set in Dorchester. You said yes well. Dennis Lehane has made a pretty good living with books in Dorchester. Yes he has a so. I mean it's funny. How so you can go exotic like Paris or or Key West? But there's so much meat in place Dorchester when you start to dig kind of gritty meat. Sometimes it's fun Woods hole is a great place. Yes yes that's a lot of fun. Yeah The Cape is great. Well I am thrilled to me too. Thank you for spending little time here How long does it take you to write one novel? I started in nineteen ninety-three. Okay it nowadays. It takes me about a year. Yeah I was GONNA say most most average writers time about a year to two as you need a lot of found feedback from Beta. Rita's and you do a lot of edits and and you must have book clubs. That are following you. I sure hope so. Well I followed you and I spread the good word and I appreciate those Deloitte. They're lovely mysteries. They're called well. They any Lynch investigation series series. Basically have you heard from insurance people by the way no and that kind of is too bad because I worked for Bella Insurance. I haven't heard heard from them yet. They should be excited. That you giving insurance brand new sense of excitement while one of them did sit down with me and helped me with the INS and outs of workers compensation coverage I had to get that right thoughts on certain exciting. Well made it exciting. You probably only made that guy's day you know by by putting it in the book. I that's my stuff. I I hope started the well lovely to meet you. I'm glad you'd stop by to do the PODCAST. And I wish you the very best with amy and all the stories that end by the way if you decide to off me all. I'm looking for something magnificent. I don't care L.. Something really dramatic. You could go out in a blaze of glory. That's all I ask. That's all I ask. She is Paul Norton PK. Norton author DOT COM or a new the website. Several books out there dead drop deep secrets. Sweet dreams sweet death in to come and many more to follow up to that. Thank you thank you on. Michael Jordan rich has produced a chart productions in Boston with technical assistance from Dante. Bow At fast twitch media. Always appreciate those of you who subscribe regularly early and download the podcast if you get a chance to review the podcast on Apple. I'd certainly appreciate that as well looking forward to our next get together for great conversation this is Jordan. Sang thing is always be well. So you can do some good take Yeah the the yeah. uh-huh yeah the yeah. Yeah on Michael Jordan. Riches produced a chart productions in Boston with technical assistance from Dan. Tibo at that fast twitch media always appreciate those of you who subscribe regularly and download this podcast and if you

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Episode #1056: Chagigat Shirei Nesiya

The Israel Hour Radio Archives

1:09:09 hr | 2 months ago

Episode #1056: Chagigat Shirei Nesiya

"Kayla. Them INCLU. Luckily. Talk. He Suga. Masvingo. Local. Dotan. Show. Let's Mark. Goldberg. ooh La. La. La. Is. Job I. saw. Shoe. Sue. God. A A. bucky cows of coolness. Knew. The. Shah. School. Dan. What? She said. Ginny. Sloan. found. Aw. Aw. Oh. Well I'll to the Israel our. Yours you connect with us at facebook dot com slash Israel our email us at. INFO AT ISRAEL OUR DOT COM. Seven three, two, nine, three, two, eight, hundred. Here's the host of the. Israel. Our Josh Rouse. My friends, we all know that twenty twenty has been an insanely crazy year and it is a year in which we've learned to do just about everything differently from work to. Pleasure to just about everything in between shopping and and really everything that we do has changed dramatically this year some for the good allowed for the bad and one thing about this summer as we are in the midst of summer twenty, twenty third week in the month of August. There's a lot less travel going on than ever before. And it's rough because summer has always been a big time for travel. We were supposed to be in Israel right this very second for our big tour I ever Israel our radio. Tour of Israel which unfortunately did not happen due to corona virus. As so much else has been canceled due to corona virus. So we've decided and thanks to Moshe in Boston for this incredible idea for the third week of our. August. Kogi. Goad, we decided to do a show about travel but not necessarily just about travel at a show about the loads of travel the journey the way we get there not just the destination. But what we are using to get there what I'm trying to say in way too many words is that it is our huggy guy cheering Nicosia a celebration of songs about planes, trains, automobiles, boats, but it Cetera if it helps you get there we're going to blame. It on today's Israel, our radio, and thanks to our amazing listeners. First of all, again, thank you the most Sheffer, this wonderful idea and thanks all of you. For. Coming up with some fantastic suggestions, it's a very, very play list spending lots of generation spending, lots of genres and I think you're going to find it very interesting and exciting. Of course, it's not too late to get your suggested suggestion in to the show if there is a song that you can think of about modes of transportation that hasn't yet been mentioned, we got a huge list of our listeners. It's amazing but if there's one that. you can think of lease. Let me know in the comments below also sure to say hi and interact with your fellow Israeli music fans around the world. It is so nice to assemble with you early on a Sunday morning as we hopefully, all enjoyed a wonderful Shibata a wonderful weekend, and now can get back to listening to some fantastic. Israeli music. My Name Is Josh? Rosen this is Israel our radio episode one, thousand, fifty, six, hugging cacciatore. A celebration of songs about travel, and of course, we're going to begin with this one that was suggested by Shirley an obvious choice a fantastic choice David Broza unseal no guitar. Called Oakland Israel our radio. Show Lucia Shima Val. But Cotton with Toshiko. The cafe. In Four. Minutes mahomes. IS OF PHILADELPHIA. Relies hockey. Jeez. Lather she'll call. SCHICK sue committee. Who Meet Them? All, she'll hunting. musty. Long. Cigar. Circle. People the. Call. At the. Goal. Let's go. Come. Serves as A He. She only. A national. Team. Many. Many he. I I. By The. Circle of. WHO Loves any. Be. Circle? At. Your Dad Levy. I. New. Holy. School. The Guy. WHO As any. Lesson. To. You. New. Onishchenko. Old because he. And you. Know. Look. To. Fat. Ethnic. beat me. Zach. Know the. Again. De. Away. Again. Shackle was the first. Lean, be so GIGEGA. Gay. Off The COOMBE Gay A. Roy. got. Your make. Your Secrecy Garo. To work walks down what the Mustache missile. Let. Kevin. Na. And Golden? FULA NEOM Mellon. Glick. A movie come. Sunday. The gumming. Is alleged. Guy. Aw. Bad though. Block. Island. Ahead. The Your. Boy. Haifa women. Yeah. It's true. We probably play the song alive but can you think of a better song for Kagi Gotcha rain this celebration of songs about travel about the journey about methods of transportation than this one out. Krisha hope static and Ben L. on Israel, our radio continuing with the song about trains by Y'all Golan. This is called Rut Cavite Harim Mummy Ma. Leah said that has allowed. Shoddy. Sangam moonies Manani loyal their heart who? Don't even. Alleged surely gum I are Sean knee? Loyal. Bob. Loyal they, assume. Aubameyang. Been Gone. Along. Mommy Circle Epson money so. have. Delay Call Mark Money loyal their emotional seller at the shops. La By. Yamani. Loyal. Loyal. down. Mountain Listen. and. You are. I. saw. Israel, our radio with a y'all Golan Cavite Harim Mountain Train I guess is the best way to describe that one I think motion suggested that thank you Moshe who also suggested our topic with of our huggy got sheree. Celebration of songs, travel methods of transportation that we use to get from point a to point B I on Goldenrod Tarim before that static and Ben L. Great Song Krisha close requested by Gabi. Thank you so much. David Broza suggested by Shirley and Moshe Zach called Oak Loom and new read Kaoh Rong started us off with a great song that just popped into my head this morning as I. Was Doing the research reno-tahoe that song I know many of you do as well. We haven't heard in a while I. Love It. Thank you so much for tuning in to our huggy got shooting this ya I'm Josh Rhona by the way static and bell released a brand new song this morning their third one in three weeks. I don't know what's going on with them these days but after. Being Missing in action during most of the first few months of Corona, they are everywhere these days and check out our facebook group. You can see that video and also more details coming soon at my Israeli music dot com, and of course, if you want to hear the song on our show, you'll have to tune in tomorrow to our daily show our weekday show, which is at three thirty PM eastern time Monday through Friday right here on facebook live it's called. One of the called. It's called Isreaeli Music Live and we have a great time every single afternoon getting together with our friends from around the world listening to some great Israeli music. We're listening to some great Israeli music today as well on our colleague. Got You. For many of us I think the first song that we thought of when we had the topic of planes, trains and automobiles was the one machine. You know what I'm talking about. It's probably one of their greatest hits. It's called Directives Lila by Machina on our got this. Israel our radio. Show them. giving. Much Galaxy. Blah. Elila Sarah. Geisha shoe of NIA, covered own. Silo. Spiel Man Shamin. Guy. Who? Karma. By. As misguided. Judicial clean my child. Sally. Gushed. Be told me Keanu how that show? Lila. Govern Alaska. Oh Man. Oh. Man. As is gaining him. Oh. Signing. Signs. Muni News. Station. Down the epicenter. Share on only. The admitted. Side of it. Okay against. Bad. Man. Shea Silent. Battle. Being. that. site. Before Lila. There is something very comforting about the voice of Aric. Einstein is real our Radio Selah drive drive slowly not drive carefully drives slowly thank you to who suggested that one. It was surely and Arum thank you both of you for suggesting that great song before that. China Gila Gila Booja Bucci with Kevin Lila thanks to Randi Zach for suggesting that classic by Machina, on our Kogi Gut shooting. This celebration of songs about planes, trains, automobiles, all kinds of mass transit, including buses, and trucks, and boats, and all that kind of stuff. So many people gathering from the world if you are listening to this podcast prerecorded well I'm glad that you are and I'm grateful that you are and I. Suggest that you keep doing that, but also join US Sunday mornings live at eleven am eastern time and be part of the community. There is so much great discussion that goes on while the songs are playing, and if you're only hearing the audio, you're missing a whole big part of the picture and a whole big part of the fun. So join us live on facebook live facebook, dot com slash Israel our every Sunday morning. At Eleven am eastern time and join the Party and joined the community speaking of the community. You can also join us on our facebook group called Israeli music communities, search for Israeli music community on facebook and join us there as well. We are everywhere and we're having a great time doing what we do so low to everyone I as he from New Jersey Ellen from Florida maximum journey Germany Moshe from Boston miles from Pittsburgh. Shirley from Philadelphia. Hello Debra and meat and bread and friend Shira is tuned in Hello Andy Rena. Hello. Yes. Hi Michael from. Maryland. Hi. Patricia Pauline is tuned in Bev is watching. Vivian, is in Florida Hi Barbara. Thank you all so much for joining us here in Israel, our radio our huggy got your name Nisa a celebration of songs about mass travel or just travel by by itself methods of transportation you know no big. Meaning in these songs, just a great fun collection of songs from all times in all genres, speaking of genres. Kids songs talking about transportation. down. Yana with Bo. Lawyers Shen. Of Nowy SAAMI lawyer. Down to her. got. Your. Saami. Having La La. How? Say. About boom in Los. Show. Bay Team. Show. Movie Who knew Beijing allowed. Vince slide. That being. Being. Theme. That be gone. Wrong Gavino the. See These species basically species. Seem this. Over that. Anything. Go. Wrong. Clink clink clink clink clink thinking at. Think. The big dig deep as. A Oh. Israel our radio. Dougie got your. How about a little more grownup vision of Song about buses. Flynn Kushiro vous manner. Neela not. Allow the wolves Hong Sifi. Agreement but. Bite of Alibi Nah for Hud. Gog Wing greenline, Tom Shots Motto Boakye. Doll option deal all the SMEETS curly. Show issue Tom, Shell Ocean. Sure Special. Cushing Nicole cost. Term DIVACA. Time shot value, your Tony Shouting. It called. Saudi baton tall. No. I. The. Only. Security Hama. folklore. Silverado Mkaku cover. Shots. Hurt but Hannah. Coming both. Shuna. Cute. Tom. Shillue. You. CA- Catholic. Approach Jellyfish Curtain we thought. I have found. Each Mob. Of Around. Only. Shop. Oh. Talk. Dan. Serve. Maybe, another song that I play a little too often, but you know what? I don't care because I love it. It's a great song by Ella Batna and Mesic Line stain daughter of Rita and Rami, and it is just so good. Are On the father last bus to Haifa on our huggy got shooting this celebration of planes, trains, automobiles, buses, boats, etc. We're playing it all on today's show before that a couple of kids songs, gala gala auto boost the wheels on the bus in Hebrew and a mash up of he named Bajada Kevin and how Oto Chalan new and I got that idea because Mason from Highland Park New Jersey suggested I play he named Kevin you know the classic he needed a D. ME still. I couldn't find a good one on youtube somebody should create that. Don't you think I would think. So but I sang it. So it counts it's on the platelets. There you go. Hello everybody out there in audio radio video land facebook Land Hi Randy Hi Mitch West Hempstead High Ilan Ryan is tuned in and so is Angela and I'm glad. That you are. Thank you so much for joining us here at Israel, our radio If you are watching live on facebook Moshe is doing his duty which he does very well every time we're on the air posting translations, links to translations of many of these songs. We also post them on our website, my Israeli music dot com so if you want. To know what these songs mean we post as many links as we can to the lyrics and the translations of the songs. So you can not only just listen, but you can also learn you can practice your Hebrew. You can connect to the Hebrew language you can connect to the land of Israel you can do so much just by listening to. Israeli. Music and it doesn't get much better than that. But on this year that. So many of us were planning to travel all over the place. Many of us were planning to go to Israel many of us are planning to go on summer vacations all over the world, and we just are not and it stinks. So we're listening to music about travel instead. Music that helps us helps our minds wander too far away places sort off and I mean I don't think. On the mill will help us think of lying somewhere on the beach but maybe if that Beach Haifa sure why not it's helping us imagine what travel should be like an could be like after the age of Corona and May, it be here soon. Thank you so much for tuning into Israel, our radio, and while we're on the topic of traveled to Israel this one also popped into my head and I thought we needed to play it. It's. A Yoda on Israel our radio, a song called lattice. L. News. Stand. Does. twos there. CHICAGO. Who Said On Shit. Do. Unfortunately, flying yellow doesn't have the magic at once did and we may not be able to fly El Al anytime soon regardless but traveling does still have that magic. It's our hockey. Gods Shui Nicosia here on Israel Radio with every leader. Be? depit better should. Green Meadow. issue. Birds. But the mccown the. Should. Just A. Being. Shot up the. Ulama. Take. chaumont. Game. Gosh. Shipping. By. About motion. Young. Dhabi. More. Interest. show-me. By. going. Along. Sir. In called me. Did show. Didn't show. Shot the. Bell Toyota. I'm. Show. Things. saw. A. Bad. and. Sabbatical tobacco. A. Lab. Buddy. Look at Giddy Gulf belting it out on that song with Doda. A group he formed with Danny Sanderson, Israel our radio, Lydia Hollow Habitat, and from what I understand low headed means burning or on fire Lydia is on fire my getting that correct well, in any event Lydia is driving all over town on a joy ride having great time doing it. Thank you so much to Andy from Buffalo for suggesting that I think has he may have suggested as well. Thank you so much before that every leader with the Song I. Hadn't heard before called tar meal backpack the joy of the journey for sure Great Song Great Video Thank you Debra for the suggestion and Hakim and vodka yoed singing a song written by only Shimmer lattice I'll to fly on El Al, a song that has a whole new meaning. These days as El Al isn't flying anywhere as far as I'm aware nowadays as much as they they have messed things up by not refunding fares in the age of Corona and. Having all kinds of financial problems there was always some and not always being the most comfortable fly a plane to fly on. There was always something magical about hopping on an allow plane and flying to Israel and landing in Israel I i. hope they come back in one way or another real real soon thank you so much for tuning in to Israel, our radio call you got cheering this celebration of songs of travel if you are listening to this by podcast than what you have to do as soon as this show is over, is going to apple podcasts or I tunes give this. Show a five star review and write down a few words about why you love us so much that helps every podcast again, gain new fans knew listeners gets us new exposure. So if you enjoy this show and how can you not my friends please go on apple podcasts and rate this show and write down a few words about this show your help with that would be greatly appreciated. I am Josh, the Israeli music man a happy to be joining you with some great Israeli music all about methods of transportation mostly suggested by you. It's the third of our August Kagi Goat Kagi got shooting. A celebration of songs of travel next one comes to US courtesy of our friend Ellen in Florida a song by duck loan and Romney, done move. Down River East Dahlia a quarter of a man about a guy who doesn't have a whole but travels all over the world usually by boats. Thanks Alad with a great suggestion. Israel our radio. Johnny have. Nineties. A. Man. Aged. Shady. He. Failed Have Been. He. They sell how the PK bothers. Nash I'm. Not. I am. Garlic. Under. Food. I gave an you. Know I've seen. Abby. On his own. Gosh. I. Know say gave idea. On. The Road. Man. got. Own. God. Shiva. Bomb. Spotty The. Corn. husks gloves. National. Gone. audio. Brush. Down Bambi. enrolled. On. vk. Share That's the kind of song that has the Israeli Nisham the Israeli soul that we all know in love duck loan with Dahlia River East, and we couldn't leave out this one. saw. An? Old. took. Abuse About. The. Ball. Really. been. A. Dot Island. One thousand, four hundred bucks like. It'd be like. Also added. came. Fantastic song by ethnics bit. Clara a black BMW here on Israel, our radio huggy guts shooting this celebration of songs about travel on today's show couldn't leave that one out. Thanks to Barbara for that. Great suggestion before that from Ellen uneager Dahlia by dot loan and Rummy Dhanu from Ellen Florida thank you so much and Andy suggested Doda with Lydia hallo hinted. Thank you so much. For tuning into Israel our radio. Remember we are here tomorrow, Tuesday Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday on facebook dot com slash Israel our with a great time and a great discussion and a great way to feature Israeli music and get together as a community. Most of us are home anyway. So let's just spend about a half hour thirty, forty minutes getting together and. Listening to some great music on Tuesday we play Israeli oldies on Thursdays. We devote the the show to one particular artists in Israeli music. On Friday, we play a fantastic playlist of Arab, Chabad, songs, Monday, and Wednesday. Well, anything goes please join us. You will love it everybody who joins US regularly has a great great time. Just ask the people who are. On the commenting on this video, they are with me all the time and I love it. So please join us then and please be sure to spread the word about Israel our radio. Tell everybody how much fun we have on a very regular basis that'll do it for us on today's Israel our radio one more song to go. It was suggested by Barbara. I think by BEV as well. It is some slow more a song that many of you requested called. New Outta Raca vote until next time with the fourth week. Of August. Kagi goats stay tuned for details. My name is Josh Rosen your June to eight point seven W. R. S. U. FM New Brunswick will see a next time I'll topsy Goulash. Newark Da. Google. opie. Shimin. Chaudhry man. That's Given ME A. Bit North. Stone brewing. Mother Shame on. Huh I. Shot Go. I'd be my Johnny and. Recovering. No Glow of bone. mcclay told me shallow. got. Steam or Much Montani Young. Shik. At the Gandhi. Combined. Noel. Marshall. gibault shoot. Become with an issue. Your mind. Come. W. W. Laura. A thanks for tuning into Israel our radio I. Sure. Hope you enjoyed today's episode. If you did be sure to tell a friend about us, you can also help us grow by giving us a five star review on Apple podcasts and while you're there right down a few words about why you enjoy the show. We'd love it. If you would follow us on facebook twitter instagram Youtube, just search for Israel our radio. Our voicemail line is always open at seven, three, two, eight, four, four, nine, seven, seven, eight. So feel free to us a call and comment on today's show. And finally were always happy to come to your community to speak about the joy of Israeli music. So contact me at Josh Admires Rayleigh, music dot com, and we'll make it happen. Thanks for being part of the Israeli music community and thanks for helping US build a stronger Israel one song at a time.

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Episode 109 Great Fire of NY & Hanging Nathan Hale

American Revolution Podcast

27:08 min | 1 year ago

Episode 109 Great Fire of NY & Hanging Nathan Hale

"Thank you for joining the american revolution today episode one zero nine the great fire of new york and nathan hale by september seventeen seventy six the continental army held onto harlem heights at the northern tip of manhattan and fort washington along the hudson and river the british controlled the remainder of the island general lord percy who you may remember from his dramatic rescue of the british army lexington antony commanded a force posted just north of the city on the east side of the island general cornwallis who had sailed to america cut only to fail miserably under general clinton at fort sullivan in south carolina still served under general clinton after his success at the battle of block island how posted both generals with the command of the front lines just south of harlem heights but with strict instructions to stay put and not <hes> advance on the enemy general how settled himself into a comfortable estate at mount pleasant north of kipps bay but still well oh back from the front lines there. He wrote dispatches to lord germain others in london about the successful campaign to capture new york once again following his victory. How would pause for several weeks giving the enemy time to regroup and plan their next steps on september nineteenth eighteenth seventeen seventy six general how issued another decree to the public urging the american people to return to their old allegiance to the king and bring all this violence to an end the proclamation got relatively little attention since only a few loyalist newspapers in new york new jersey published it some americans in the region who are now under direct occupation of the british army swore allegiance but mostly because any patriots living in those areas had already fled the house somehow seem convinced that they could get the patriots to lay down their arms without a long and terrible blood-letting but as we all know that was not going to be the case the proclamation much like others before it and after it went largely ignored this is not to say that no one flocked to the tory 'cause with greater new york city area now firmly under the british army control local tories began began to recruit locals to join tory militia units to assist the british in retaking the colonies for the king militia general oliver lancy raised a brigade of about fifteen hundred men on long island major robert rogers raised the provincial core of tories known as rogers rangers resurrecting a name that he had used during the french and indian war while much quieter now though some local new yorkers remained loyal to the patriot cause and were willing to cause trouble for the occupying army just after midnight on september twenty firth seventeen seventy six alarm began cantu spreads through new york that the city was on fire there were no alarm bells since the continentals had taken all the bells before leaving the city word spread by shouts that much of the city was engulfed in flames civilians and soldiers worked through the night to control the fire and extinguished the flames they tore down several houses as firebreaks to keep the fire from spreading and formed bucket brigades tempering water to the burning buildings actually actually most of the military men working to extinguish the fire or marines from the navy. Some soldiers may have acted independently for general how did not deploy roy any soldiers until the following day instead how kept his soldiers on alert all night just in case the fire was an attempt to distract him as part out of a daring night invasion that of course never happened some thought the arson attacks specifically targeted the church of england. Much of the area burned was the area around trinity church including the church itself. The area was mostly residences as well as the holy ground area where prostitution and nightlife was most active. The commercial areas in dockyards mostly survived intact. Though many had already fled the city before the british army arrived. The army's arrival had created a major housing shortage. The loss of so many buildings left many families homeless with with nowhere to go. No one seems certain hell. The fire actually started of course rumors shot around probably correctly that this was the work of patriots apertures. The fire seems to have started in several places at once and spread very rapidly. Thanks to a strong wind blowing north general well house reports indicate that several arsonists were caught and killed on the spot but gives little detail other counts give gruesome stories stories of arsonists being pinta walls with bayonets hanged from lamp posts. One report even says that a soldier caught an arsonist in the act picked him up and threw him into the burning building that he had just set on fire and burned him alive. Some patriots accused the occupying army mostly the hessian of starting the fire in order to cover their looting of the city. There were some accusations of soldiers looting burning buildings but the notion that the british british or hessian started. The fire seems to be propaganda with no factual basis. Whatever the accuracy of any of these stories. It's clear that the british believed the fire was a deliberate act of sabotage tin anti them use of the city. The fire ended up earning about one thousand buildings more than a fourth of the city. Only shift in winds prevented it from destroy much more. There is no evidence that washington had anything to do with the fire congress had instructed him not to destroy the city and washington was not the type of man to defy congress even when he thought privately that its decisions asians were foolish. The majority of congress seem to think that patriots would retake the city and that it would be a waste to destroy it washington wrote to congress congress the following day to report the fire which he described as an accident again it will be highly out of character for washington to lie in a report to congress however in his private correspondence washington did make clear that he certainly wasn't sorry about the fire he wrote his cousin that if he had been allowed allowed to use his own judgement he would burn the city to the ground before leaving it he also commended quote providence or some good honest fellow has done more for us than we were disposed to do for ourselves and quote by starting the fire following the fire. The british increased vigilance to prevent prevent any further cases of arson. How decided to keep the city under martial law rather than returning governor tryon and mayor david matthews to power instead of returning the king's peace to the city. It remained an armed camp under military control. The british army also went to great efforts wjr to find the culprits responsible for setting the fire. They rounded up in question over two hundred suspects one reason to question the rumors of unnamed saboteurs being killed during the fire is that no one was caught in the act and arrested. If several people were captured one would think thank all of them would be killed and that some would have been arrested. The two hundred suspects were arrested in the following day's and faced questioning and were eventually eventually released. The british never found enough evidence to bring anyone to trial one unlucky victim of the fire though was continental army me captain nathan hale a few weeks earlier before the british has even invaded manhattan washington had asked for volunteers to cross over to long island and gather intelligence on the enemy captain hale volunteered for the mission as a former schoolteacher from connecticut he you decided his best cover would be to play a schoolteacher from connecticut looking for work before the beginning of the school year somewhere on long island he had to go back to connecticut and take a boat across to the northeastern part of long island on september twelfth about three days before the british landed at kipp spe l. made his way across long island down toward new york city fang attention to the enemies troop deployments and numbers he took detailed notes andrew sketches to record what he found sadly for captain hale he had missed some critically important spying on a one classes he wrote down lots of notes but did not bother to use any sort of code or invisible ink both in common use by other spies during this period he did not have any local contacts or safehouses along the way nor anyone local that he could trust. He also had no way to get the information back to the american lines. It's unless he returned with the information himself. We don't know exactly what information held discovered because he never returned any reports to the americans americans he wandered across long island while the british cross the east river at kipp spe captured the city and set up defenses against the americans at harlem heights some hello hell made his way across the river into new york city. He was there on september twenty first. When the fire swept across the island the morning after the fire he made his way north toward the front lines is hail waited on the coast. The british ship halifax came ashore sure hail apparently approached the landing party thinking they might be americans. Aware of the fire and seeing hale was nervous. The the british crew arrested him thinking he might be one of the arsonists they found his notes and sketches in his clothing and took him to general how as a suspected affected by under questioning hale admitted being continental officer since he was caught behind enemy lines and out of uniform how how ca- treat him as a spy rather than a prisoner of war he could be hanged immediately and without trial although there does not appear to be any reason into believe that hale was involved in the new york fire how was in no mood to offer clemency although not required accused spies normally would at least receive a court martial having spent the whole night prior dealing with the fire and hunting for a suspected arsonists how ordered hail hanged as a spy without trial how how turned over hail to the provost marshal william cunningham a tory who had fled boston a year earlier and who had been a victim of patriot patriot mob attacks in new york before the british arrived cunningham was in no mood to show any kindness sympathy to any rebel who fell into his hands. He's scheduled to hanging for the following morning. He also denied hail his last requests. Having a clergyman present or access to a bible the the next morning during a delays they prepared the gallows the chief engineer john mantra sewer took hale into his tent and had a short conversation he also provided hail with paper and ink so that he could write to final letters one to his brother and the other to his commanding officer once the gallows were ready. Guards lead hale to his execution. Mantra sir recorded hale's famous last words. I only regret that. I have but one life life to give for my country. The phrase came from a popular play of the day kato by joseph addison. It was about a roman politician. Shen who committed suicide rather than living under a tyrannical emperor another officer named mackenzie also present at the execution noted that hale showed bravery and commented that it was the duty of every soldier to obey the orders of his commander but did not record hail supposed posed famous last words his failure to note them as led to some debate as to whether haile actually uttered that phrase for which he is remembered on september twenty second seventeen seventy six at around eleven a._m. The british hanged captain hale and buried his body. Mantra entre turned over the two letters he had written to the provost who promptly destroyed them later that evening. Mantra sir went over to the american lines at harlem heights. It's under a flag of truce to discuss a prisoner exchange while there he revealed to the americans that the british had hanged hail as a spy that morning and pass along his famous last words word of hale's last words circulated among the army but washington did not choose to publicize sized the matter at the time washington may have been embarrassed at the great risk and lack of support to which he subjected hail he may also have been concerned concerned about the publicizing of his use of spies at all washington was already preparing to send other spies though with greater protection and trading reports of hale's famous words did not appear newspapers until months later now the same day that the british hang hail the continental army prepared repaired execution of its own epa knees are laughing well. During the battle of harlem heights colonel joseph freed encountered laughing. Well headed away away from the front. Lines rethought living well was deserting and confronted him. Now i have mentioned joseph read in passing a few times but he is important in several future events so it might be worth a little more background now. Colonel read was a philadelphia lawyer who had accompanied washington from. I'm philadelphia back to cambridge. In seventeen seventy five when washington i took up command of the continental army re had not intended to follow washington all the way but he got swept up in the moment and found himself in cambridge with the army he provided some clerical assistance to the new commander but then insisted that he needed to return home and resume his legal practice washington begged him to return and claimed he could not function without him. Read became washington's first agenda and remained close to the commander washington was always very closed and private man but did it seemed open up to a very small number of trusted associates read apparently became one of those trusted confidence during the war and while we'll see later read with confidence and trust at this time the to remain very close and read carried the confidence of washington and his authority authority in matters of command so on september sixteenth colonel read was on his horse delivering orders for washington during the battle when he encountered encountered laughing well according to read laughing well was clearly afraid and running away from battle read ordered laughing well to return to the front lines but soon found him doubling back and running in the other direction read road after the soldier and confronted him once again at that time laughing well points a gun at read and pulled the trigger the gun either misfired or wasn't loaded read then attempted to shoot laughing well on the spot but could not fire are his gun either he slashed it laughing well with his sword injuring the soldier but not seriously after that encounter readhead laughing well arrested on charges of desertion and mutiny laughing well however told a very different story at trial he said that he was following the orders commanding officer to go from the front lines to the rear to get more ammunition while on that mission colonel read confronted him and and ordered him to return to the front lines luffing well said that he informed read that he was under orders to obtain more ammunition but that re- did not believe him re drew his sword and threatened to kill him unless he immediately returned to the front lines fearing for his life left-wing well cock his gun and pointed edited at read on september nineteenth three days after the encounter a court martial found laughing well guilty and sentenced him to be shot by firing squad in washington eager to enforce discipline against deserters approved the sentence to be carried out on september twenty second much of the army however however was greatly upset at this decision on the morning of the execution a firing squad led laughing well in front of the assembled army the firing squad lined up and pointed their guns at the condemned prisoner at the last minute a chaplain announced that washington had reprieved laughing wells life and that he was spared washington had hoped to make an example by shooting deserter conventional wisdom of the time was that such examples help keep the the troops in line during battle but it seems washington wisely listened to the grumbling of his soldiers on this day the army seemed deeply against the execution execution and carrying it out might only have the effect of harming morale and increasing the number of desertions so washington spared laughing laughing well hoping to avoid this there is also some evidence. That colonel read lobbied washington for clemency at the last minute though it's not clear if this was for humanitarian or practical reasons. I should probably also mentioned that much of what we know of. This incident comes from joseph plumb martin. I'm a soldier who was fighting with the continental army during this time. Martin was a connecticut soldier who joined the continental army during the call for volunteers. Just before the british invasion of new york martin joined the army as a private eventually rising to sergeant and serving through the remainder of the war he he never became an officer though he appears to a fought honorably and remained with the army for almost the entire war. There's nothing in particular that stands out about about martin service that would not apply to thousands of other soldiers during the war. What makes martin note worthy of special interest history is that after after he survived the war returned home and grew into old age. Martin wrote an account of his participation in the war in eighteen thirty he he published a book called a narrative of some of the adventures dangers and sufferings of a revolutionary soldier. The book provides a unique perspective perspective into the life of an enlisted man during the war while there exist many common soldier books from later wars. This is really the only one from from the revolution that covers more than a very short period of time. The book never really got much attention from historians until they rediscovered it in the late late twentieth century because of its unique perspective focusing on the lives of enlisted men rather than generals. It has become an important source for anyone learning about the revolution. If you are so inclined you might want to give it a read so next week while we wait for how to give washington another nudge. We're going to check back in with generals carlton and burgoyne is they finally make their boo from canada into lake champlain ten their push toward albany new york work. Hey thanks for joining the american revolution podcast after show this week. I want to thank my robert. Morris circle patriots. Hey trans supporter. Dave salvatori. Dave runs his own revolution podcast today in american revolution history. He publishes a short the episode under five minutes almost every day. It's a great way to get your daily fix on the revolution. You can sign up for e mail delivery of tex dispersion of his podcast as well like me. Dave gives a book recommendation at the end of each episode so it's another great resource for further reading. Dave also has a new merchandise store. If you're jonesing for some podcast today t shirts or mugs you can learn more by going to his website. I am rev today dot com this week. New york city burned about a quarter of the city was destroyed since the british had a combined bind army and navy of over forty thousand in a city that had a prewar population of only twenty five thousand finding shelter for all was already going need to be difficult without the loss of so many houses. No one ever discovered for sure who started the fire. Although i've always thought billy joel's denials were a little you too extreme the very likely culprits were patriots who were not acting under any specific orders from the continental army but acted on their own to deny the enemy the use of the city we also covered today. The hanging of captain nathan hale for espionage american revolution spying has been been of particular interest in recent years. Thanks largely to the t._v. Channel a._m._c. which had a show called turn covering the cul perspiring hang on long island. The copa ring came after multiple other attempts to gain intelligence from behind british lines in new york failed nathan entail was one of those many failures as the americans learned the art of espionage through experience. The copa ring only began in seventeen seventeen seventy eight and that of course is something i will cover more detail when we get to that time period but for now poor captain hale had to give his is one life for his country as a tough lesson for the americans in how not to conduct espionage today's episode also saw the almost execution of a deserter such executions were seen as an absolute necessity in european armies to prevent desertion but in the american volunteer army of the early revolution the practice was much more controversial later in the war washington would go through with many such executions a great many though involved more than just running away. They also involved firing on officers or others. There's trying to prevent desertions again. I'll talk more about those in future episodes dealing with a events later in the war. I've already recommended ended a number of books that talk specifically about new york's role in the revolution rather than throw another one on the pile. I'm going to recommend come into more general book this week. I recently finished the british are coming the war for america lexington to princeton seventeen in seventy five to seventeen seventy seven by rick atkinson as you might guess from the title it covers the first few years of the war from from the first battle in april seventeen seventy five through the battle of princeton which took place in january seventeen seventy seven atkinson isn't promises that this is the first book in a planned trilogy that will cover the entire war. The book was just released a few months ago in may but has gotten some well-deserved critical acclaim. The book is a little more general than a book that you would find on specific battle but at eight hundred pages it gives a pretty good coverage of the first two years of the war before tackling this project atkinson wrote a number of other books mostly about world war two but he does seem to know his stuff about the revolution and has an enjoyable narrative style. There reminds me of shelby foots trilogy asia about the civil war. If you have not gotten this book already i recommend it. I look forward to the next two volumes in coming years. The british are coming is available everywhere in both paper and electronic formats for my online recommendation this week. I wanna recommend ajay store dot org. That's j. s. t. o. R. dot org the site was built for academic papers and unfortunately has has a crazy expensive pay wall for standard use by the public i could go into a lengthy rant about how ridiculous this is that they profit off the free papers that were written by academics who were not compensated for their content but what's the point. The site does have access to lots of wonderful. Well researched articles articles on a wide range of both interesting and obscure topics for documents that are old enough to be in the public domain. You are usually able to get a free downloadable version of the document for most newer documents. If you sign up for an account you are allowed to access and read it online but without being able to download or copy them. It's not ideal but the detailed content is hard to find anywhere else online of course worse. If you're associated with a university you may be able to get full access through that. You can also buy an annual subscription but again. That's crazy expensive offensive. Some libraries may offer better access as well despite the annoying paywall j. store dot org is a great resource for lots of detailed information information on many different historical topics as well as a whole bunch of other topics so if you're so inclined. Please check it out well. That's all for this week. I hope you will join me again next week for another american revolution podcast.

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Debating the New IPCC Report: Hellish or Hopeful?

The Energy Gang

50:47 min | 2 years ago

Debating the New IPCC Report: Hellish or Hopeful?

"The energy gang is supported by g. e. g. e. is getting serious about energy storage. The energy giant has a new energy storage system called reservoir. It's modular, it's durable. It's flexible. It slashes construction costs. You can use reservoir for any kind of grid need. We'll hear more later in the show about how reservoir works if you wanna see for yourself right now go to g. e. dot com slash energy storage. This is the energy gang weekly debates and discussions on energy cleantech in the environment. I'm Stephen, Lacey. Welcome. So we asked to pretty simple question last week, are we making progress? And just a few days later, a panel of international experts gave a simple answer. No, the just issued another clear update to the climate picture. We are only twelve years away from locking in extreme warming and we're not even close, not even remotely close to slashing climate pollution in the way we need to. So this week, the dire state of the planet according to a group of the world's most prominent scientists. I promise I promise you will find some areas of optimism in that conversation then or stead. The Danish mega energy producer is buying a leading American offshore wind developer. What does it say about the coming rush of offshore activity in this country? And finally, over to biofuels, President Trump is asking the EPA to lift restrictions on higher ethanol gasoline blends in the summer. The farmers love it. The oil industry hates it and debate rages about the public health impact, welcome to the gang. Hope. Y'all are settled in after our live show last week jigger how you doing. I'm crushing it down here and wet soggy Washington, DC. What are you crushing? Well, you know, it's just it's one of those things where you sit in your house, you know that the solar panels on, you got the battery backup. I had a power outage of the day, and the batteries kicked on feels very comforting. I bet it does. That's great. I thought for a second. Maybe you're talking about like crushing cans against your head. No, that's that's reserved powerlifters like. Jigger Shah's the president of generate capital. He is in the Washington DC area. Catherine Hamilton is the co, founder and chair of thirty eight nor solutions. She's also there in DC. Boy has she had some technical challenges her computer basically blew up this morning and she's joining us via Skype from her home there in Virginia. Hi, Catherine. Hi, and I'm using a very sketchy ipad. The belongs to one of my kids and he is not happy about it, but he had to go to school. So to that, we're a little DIY here at the energy gang sophisticated conversations, but sometimes we have to pull it together by a thread. If we have technical challenges, your computer has had challenges if finally blew up. It sounds like you probably loaded the report and your computer was like, screw this. I've had enough of these y'all can deal with this problem on your own. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. So some genius from Apple's going to have to help me through that one. All right. Well, what's pull up that report on your ipad and discuss it showy for two years. The intergovernmental panel on climate change has been working on a new analysis, the mission, you know, we got this quasi global climate deal in two thousand fifteen. So it was time to assess our current and projected emissions pathways and compare it to the latest science. So this report notifies us of the latest science what the planet will look like under different degrees of warming and and then what those emission pathways need to look like through the middle of the century to either prevent one point, five degrees c. warming or two degrees c warming. I don't think it's any surprise to our listeners. The conclusion of this report was not good, Catherine. What were the top line messages from this latest report? Yes. So one thing they spent a lot of time doing was comparing one point, five degrees centigrade, two, two degrees centigrade, and. There's like a fifty percent difference there. It's fifty percent worse, at least and so they focused on how can we keep it to one and a half degrees, and they really think we can all remember. This is as you kinda teed up over ninety scientists from forty countries, looking at six thousand studies hundred ninety. Five countries have been involved in this process since nineteen eighty eight. That was a joint United Nations Environment, programme in World Meteorological Organization effort, and they showed that yes, the findings are dire. However, there are things that they say we can do there is still hope every single bit that we do helps. We can't just look at it optional a beer. See, we have to do all the options. So not just our shoulders, but using our hips and legs. We gotta do everything, but we don't need to reinvent the wheel. They clearly said we have technologies right now that we can deploy just have to do it faster. We also have to make sure that on generation. Land use cities and industry that we all of those sectors move forward with speed and in in a way that is that provide some complimentary solutions to each of those sectors. So the report is new. It's based off of new analysis of the post two thousand fifteen framework and the state of technology today, but the conclusions are roughly the same as they always have been. This is crazy serious problem. We have most of the technologies that we need to get to, but the emissions pathways are incredibly steep and difficult, but still doable. Is there anything different about this report Catherine than than previous assessments? Well, I feel like what they did was the tone was taken that look if we really put sustained policies and sustained investment, what we can do is have good options and. Good outcomes through climate mitigation at Upton so we can really, you know, help eradicate poverty. We can really help sustain development. We can mitigate the risk and the risk is very much dependent on the magnitude of the change. The rate of change the geography that you are in the the level of development or your own Linda Boehner ability as a community, and then what choices that we make in these mitigation and implementation technologies. And it just showed that they are focused on what are the solutions and how do we move forward in a way that really creates synergies and a positive about Lou back loop so that as we start implementing solutions that those can get us further down the road. Jigger. Your response to the report does does a report like this, make you feel any differently about the problem with the solution set? Should it make anyone feel differently? Well, when I read the ported felt like a transcript of the. Energy gang podcast. In what way? Well, we've been saying the same thing the whole time, which is we're not moving fast enough, but that the technologies that that we have today are profitable and could scale and could actually meet the man. The need, right. The other thing I found quite fascinating about this is that no one at a governmental level has been talking about one point, five degrees forever. I mean, the Obama administration in Copenhagen was like screw one point, five degrees. We're talking about two degrees, right? And so the fact that they basically said, okay, now we're talking about one point. Five degrees and in twelve years was not surprising to me because we've always been talking about two degrees, right? And in that respect, the report is kind of hopeful because they're saying, look, there's a lot of hard choices that we need to make. This is an extreme reversal. If you look at the chart of her emissions pathways over the next twenty years. I mean, we need to get to net zero emissions globe. Really in late twenty thirties, early twenty forty. Like it's just it's just crazy, but they do sound a slightly optimistic tone in that they're talking about this problem as something that can be achieved. Now, of course, we all know that the realities of how countries operate and governments function will not put us on that pathway. I am not optimistic at all, but we are still at a point where we can have a legitimate discussion about one point, five degrees celsius. So there's a sliver of optimism in that context. It would they, I think they let it out is the difference between a one point, five, two degrees scenario in disease, drought, famine, sea level, rise water and food security climate refugees. They show that there is much there are much worse outcomes. If we, if we hit two degrees, rather the one point five and they. So what they're trying to do is get us. I think to focus on look. Can do this. We have twelve years to really put everything into it to get there. It's possible if we don't do it, you know, there are a lot of bad things that are going to happen. There are a lot of bad things that are happening anyway. But I think what this does is it says, look, we can do it. We're not just throwing up our arms and saying, it's impossible become through my wrong about the way this has ruled out. I mean, wasn't it the case that all the governments around the world signed a letter saying that we are going to commit ourselves to two degrees in two thousand nine Copenhagen. And then Bill mckibben said, screw that. We have to be at three hundred fifty parts per million, not four hundred million, which is one point, five degrees. And then he's been like rattling the saber I'm one point, five degrees and then suddenly out of nowhere. Everyone's talking about one point five degrees. Well, I think what they're finding is that in all of these sustainable development goals that were put together following Paris and they're seventeen of them that look at, you know everything from poverty to hunger to economic growth, clean energy, water at cetera. There are so many synergies. Between all of these different sustainable development goals. And as policy start rolling out, there's I think they're seeing that. There's actually a possibility of mitigating below two. Now, you know, I agree. It's hard to foresee it, but I think one of the big mistakes is that people just throw their arms up and this was embedded in a report that the White House put out. The Trump white has put out about karma shifts where buried in that report. It said, you know what? We're gonna get seven degrees Fahrenheit increase anyway. So we might as well not even bother will. That's not what we want to have happen. We want people to see that their ways that we can we can solve this and that we just have to. We have to put our minds and are willing to it, we'll, but like my angle on my angle on this is this is the this. This entire report feels like it's not part of the continuum. It's actually made directly in response to Trump, but like every. Single world leader since o nine has said that one point, five degrees is impossible since owned nine. There's not been a single world leader who said that anything better than two degrees was even possible. I so for them to sort of reset it to for dramatic effect seems ridiculous. Well, it doesn't seem that ridiculous to me because they're saying that they're pretty clear that it we're, we're, we're pretty much fully baked into one point, five degrees c. right, we're, we're there. We have ten years, twelve years to maintain the one point, five degrees c. temperature rise. So look, they're taking an optimistic tone and saying it's possible. But in reality, it's likely that we're going to go over one point, five degrees c. and I think most scientists, policymakers analysts believe that to be true. Well, on the goal of Paris, the long term goal was yes to keep the increase in temperature below. It said, well, below two degrees centigrade and to. To limit the increase to one and a half degrees centigrade because that would substantially reduce the risks in effect the climate change. And I think that's what this report is showing is yes, it would. And here's what it will look like at one and a half, and here's what it will look like it too. And I think that's what they're trying to get out because both of those numbers were in the Paris agreement. Now there's one piece of this that I'm kind of optimistic about, and that is the scenarios for global renewable electricity. So the I p c, c generally says that we need about seventy to eighty five percent of our global trinity supply to come from renewables by twenty fifty. I think most people believe that we can hit that target. And I remember back in twenty fourteen the International Energy Agency issued a report, looking out how the globe could get about fifty percent of its electricity supply from just solar alone by twenty fifty and sense, then costs have dramatically. Fallen and the we've, we've surpassed the yearly installation figures that it would take to hit the targets that I a outlined. So we're it headed in the right direction in terms of global renewable energy supply. With that said, we're still investing a fraction of the money that we need to to hit those bigger numbers. According to Bloomberg, new energy finance were probably add a couple of hundred to three hundred billion dollars a year in investments, and we need, you know, two to three trillion dollars a year in investments. Now, there's a caveat to that, of course, costs continued to fall so you can do more into ploy more with lower investment figures, but still we need to be in the trillions of dollars per year, right? But the trillions is not hard to get to. Right. I mean, that's the thing that I think people just have a hard time imagining is everyone thinks so linearly people have a really hard time thinking exponentially if you're at three hundred. A billion dollars last year and you grow that number by fifteen percent a year every year for twelve years. This scope of this one point five degrees. That's ten and a half trillion dollars that gets invested. So like it's not like it's not a difficult thing to get to the trillions of dollars using exponential growth curves, which is what we've been on frankly, for the last five years. So I don't think that that's impossible to envision. I think it's just impossible for most people to wrap their brains around, but we just gave a to two trillion dollars tax cut to rich people in corporations in this country alone. So there there's money out there. And I think one of the keys is that it doesn't take that much to help on the adaptation side for underdeveloped countries. So you can do a lot with a little bit and there's lots of private capital app. They're like Bill Gates, his fund and a lot of other ones that are looking for partnerships. And I think having public private partnerships is going to be really. Crucial to this because I don't. You know, you just don't know the pace at which a lot of governments, especially the US are going to put forward funding, but there's a lot of private capital out there too. I agree. There's no lack of money. I mean, even today, there's no lack of money until whether they give two trillion dollars of tax benefits or not to people, there's still no lack of money, raising money for us and for others is not a problem. The challenge is actually getting enough projects to fund, right? I mean, all of these projects that the talking about half to go through the permitting process if to get approved by the utilities, if to get approved by legislators, they have to get approved by governing bodies. And that's the part that is slow, right? The actual raising the money as fast. I'm looking at two charts here and I'm referencing a vox story on the report. One is from Fati Biro who heads up the International Energy Agency, and he shows that we're seeing continued incremental increases in. Global emissions and he says that co, two emissions will just continue to increase in two thousand eighteen and beyond. And then I'm looking at another chart from the IPC report showing what we need to do to stabilize temperature rises at one point, five degrees c. or even get us above that. But below two degrees c and you see at around twenty twenty this crazy steep drop in emissions that we need to see that will get us to net zero emissions between twenty forty and twenty fifty five. You look at this chart and it makes me roll my eyes. It's like I, I don't see you compare these two charts and he's just impossible to see how the world can get there with. You know, the conventional technologies that we have today. So the m- the money's flowing in, I think we can get to that eighty five percent renewable electricity number globally. I, I do believe based on what I'm seeing that that's doable. But when you look at emissions across the globe across different sectors, this steep decline is sort of laughable. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. And so then you get into this bigger conversation about CCS and CCS just is not economically viable. It is a very hairy technology, but when I look at these graphs, I think as a tax payer, I'm going to be willing to accept a lot of failures like the Kemper project in Mississippi here that botched CCS project that cost, you know, billions of dollars and ultimately just became a natural gas fired power plant. I think generally speaking, I'm willing to accept the risk to start having governments invest in these bigger CCS projects, but we 'cause we can't even get close to these tar. Gets without a crazy investment in carbon capture all sorts of carbon capture well. But if we look at where coal is now, so over forty plants of shutdown since Trump was elected president, and if it stays at this place, a hundred percent of the coal plants in the US will have closed by twenty thirty five. So that's a big chunk of it. I was yesterday in Indianapolis at the mid continent, independent system operator presentation my so it was in Indiana energy conference, and my so has gone from seventy six percent of coal in two thousand five to less than fifty percent in two thousand seventeen, and it continues to drop. It's going to get into the thirties and ninety percent of their interconnection queue is solar and wind ninety percent that's in the mid west part of the United States that's in coal country. So I actually think that you know coal is going to phase out and what we're going to have to do governments around the world or. Gonna have to not build any more coal plants. And yes, you're right. We're gonna need to invest in all kinds of technologies. I just think that, you know, we're on a good. We're on a good trajectory in the US regardless of what our federal government wants to do. I completely agree. But think about China rights, China's a come, a world leader in solar, they're building a decent amount of nuclear plants. They're a world leader in wind there. Now, the world leader in electric buses. They're doing all the right things, but they're still building out a ton of coal plants and their industry continues to grow. China needs to be a world leader in CCS along with those other technologies, and the imbalance is a huge deal, right? They can continue investing and all those other technologies, but not make a massive dent in their emissions as their economy grows, even if they're Connie, just starts growing incrementally. So that is a huge piece of the picture, not just here in the US, but in massively industrializing countries like China, but I don't understand. Where your concept of conventional comes from? Right. I mean, there are so many technologies that we have today that are mature in some parts of the world, but not others that can scale up very quickly that save gargantuan amounts of money. I mean that those technologies alone kit meet most of what we need to do over the next twelve years. And so this while CCS is required to hit our targets are not required to hit the targets over the next twelve years. And in fact, there is no data to support that China's building out a lot of net new coal capacity. In fact, they're generally retiring more coal than they are building new coal. So like I mostly because China's a one import coal from Australia, so you're absolutely right that China has cancelled a ton of coal plants largely due to local pressure because of air pollution. But also because they're starting to think about climate change. But I'm looking at a coal swarm report. Worm is a group run by environmental groups. They published in September of this year warning that over two hundred and fifty gigawatts of coal capacity. Is still planned in China despite restrictions on government policies. Now that's just plan so we don't know exactly what will get built, but there's still a bunch of coal on the table in China. Oh, there's, it's not gone, not. There were four hundred fifty gigawatts of it five years ago, India still has one hundred gigawatts planned, but they have no water capacity by which to cool. The plant's the first air cooled plant in the developing world is in South Africa, and that plant is still not constructed. And so I just think the notion that like all these people are going to put in technologies that they can not no longer afford, nor can they actually support. Ecologically is ridiculous and so fine. There's some bureaucratic put two hundred fifty gigawatts on a spreadsheet. Now we're all going to be up in arms. I just think the notion that we're going to go backwards. Electricity is crazy, and we do have the the technology unconventional sources, whether it's energy efficiency or renewable energy, or even a lot of the waste to energy facilities. For instance, it's commonplace in Europe to take waste tournament pellets and co fire those pellets with cement kilns and steel plants. It's not commonplace here in the US or in China, but those technologies could be rolled out pretty quickly because LaFarge and some of these large companies know how to do them. So what did y'all think about the media coverage of the report? The report was two years in the making. It's legitimate attempts to take stock of where we are on climate change. But of course it has implications for communications, right? Like the scientists want the press to cover this to discuss the urgency of the problem here in the United States, particularly in television news. We have a real problem with grappling with these reports. We tend to cover them as one offs, and then we move on television news largely doesn't give that many minutes to climate change or the IPC. You have a bunch of. You know, online articles hair on fire articles saying, we're all screwed, and then we kind of move on. There was a lot of great coverage, mixed with frustrating, coverage or lack of coverage. What did you think about the totality of how people are treating this report, Catherine? Yes. So of course I pick and choose what I read. So I, I'm not looking at all of the news. I'm looking at what I'm interested in and what you sent me to read in preparation. So of course, I'm going to be focusing on this, but there just seems to be so much more chatter about this. There's more chatter on Twitter. There's more cheddar on mainstream press there with all of the natural disasters, the fires. This is the hurricanes there is just so much conversation about what is happening to our globe. And then we also had the big Nobel prize announcement of William north house. Paul Romer who have been studying CO two and technology innovation in macroeconomic. So that was pretty exciting to that. Got a lot of pick. Yup. Jigger your perception of the coverage, good or bad? There was literally nobody in my circle that read anything about this. I don't think there was any coverage about it in mainstream media and my senses by tomorrow there will be no further coverage about the story. I mean, it's just this was such a poorly crafted story that only scientists could screw up at like literally, like instead of talking about the extraordinarily progressively of made in all these areas. They come out with a doomsday report that basically every psychologist on the planet has said, just shuts people down. There's no wonder that no mainstream media folks want to cover this thing. I think that this just literally the worst, like the worst roll out of a report. I've seen in ages way, way, way, way way. First of all, I don't think it was a total doomsday report because they outlined a bunch of emissions pathways and they talk about how much improvement we've seen in technologies and like we actually have the technologies to get us over the next twenty years. At one point, five degrees, c, temperature rise. Like I think that sounds at actual optimistic, no areas. Unpaved three hundred and fifty six. The headline of this report was we have to cut our emissions in twelve years, and this was a doomsday report. I mean, that's how this was covered in our little circle on Twitter at cetera. But like my parents, I talked to them twice in the last two. Today's, they didn't bring it up like nobody on my Facebook page, which are mostly high school students that I went to college with or went to high school or college with no one brought it up. No-one no-one posted on it. I think most people are talking about the Blue Wave. I listen to pod, save America who finally covered this. It was literally the worst coverage. I'd ever heard all of their ideas were ones that we came up with in two thousand and eight that the Obama administration never pursued. I mean, it was just it. It makes a make someone so disheartened to see that like in this Trump era like no major news stories like this get more than like two days of coverage. So I did not listen to the pod save America podcast. I did see a clip that was shared on Twitter, and they essentially said, hey, if you have, if you have a concern about the IPC report, go vote, there's a, there's a party that taking it seriously. There is a party that's not. I think that's a fair message. But again, I didn't listen to the totality of the conversation is what I'm saying. This has been fully studied the Yale six, six America's report already shows that the total number of Americans in this country that are scared her about fifteen percent. So they told fifteen percent of Americans devote the rest of the of America shuts down. They just say, we're not even going to talk about this. It's like being in a bad relationship, you just sort of like bury it somewhere and just deal with it. Right. Like in general, when you have bad news, people want to be inspired by what America can do. They want to be inspired by moonshot stuff. They want to be inspired by how our technology or innovation in our can-do attitude can actually remake the world. And instead we're actually pushing. These agendas that are not that remember we had that from the Apollo alliance back in two thousand eight. It didn't resonate during the Obama administration. I'm just thinking that like this, the coverage of this story has been basically we have twelve years to stave off the worst impacts impacts of climate change, and almost everyone that I've read on this has said that's probably not possible. That doesn't seem like a positive message. I'm sorry, jigger this is not the IPC's job to to. We've some positive message about the greatest wealth opportunity. They should have that in the report. If it's realistic and they should have a realistic view of technology change and technology growth. But that's your job. That's the job of business professionals who are in this business. That's the job of advocates and different communicators to IPC is there to take stock of the science and to say, hey, we're screwed if we really are screwed, and then let policymakers and others deal with that. Formation and the way that they should deal with it. So that is not up to the two craft. This overly positive inspirational message. Yeah, I, I would just like to to to turn back to policy. So one thing is we do have to hold our elected officials accountable so that when we go and ask questions at town halls or events, we have to say, what do you think about climate change? What are you gonna do about climate change, and there are some people running for congress in the Senate who care and who are talking about it and trying to to put it into words that allow people to feel like it's important, but they're not to throw their arms up and quit. I also think that if we, if we are looking at policy in the future, it's going to be really hard to get a carbon tax in place, although that would obviously help pay for some of the spending that we're doing on tax cuts. But I think we can do something in the context of infrastructure. I think that's something everybody can agree to. And with that, we can put in a lot of policies that will help mitigate adapt to climate change. I think we need to also get people involved. So like having public service. Announcements that explain what's going on and what can you do to help just think about how people aren't using plastic straws anymore. And that's like nothing compared to what we have to deal with. But it was a very quick turnaround change. I think we can still do that. And I don't know if that's by having like climate bonds that we can sell like they did Israel bonds, you know where you can invest. Everybody can invest twenty five dollars. And this goes to helping, you know, support, clean energy. I just think they've gotta be a ways ways to really tap into grassroots and I think we do have to do that. And I think people aren't interested in people care. They just don't know what to do. So we have to ask the right questions and hold our our candidates for all these seats accountable. So we need to move on. I'll just finish with this. I know that we disagree pretty vehemently on this trigger, but I think that there is a positive message in this report. I think the reason why they deviated from this focus on two degree c is because they wanted to just least put the possibility in people's. Minds that over the next twelve years of mobilization, you truly can prevent even more extreme warming. We are just not ready to give up on optimistic scenarios. We are counting down the doomsday clock like four shore, but every tenth of a degree of temperature rise that we can prevent will go a long way. And so with that, I do believe that there's an optimistic tone in this report despite the dire predictions. The energy gang supported by GE GE has a new energy stored system called reservoir. It's a modular, lithium ion system that slashes construction time by up to fifty percent. You can pair it with solar and wind use it for micro grids, compliment Thermo power plants, virtually anything you can imagine. Bob Roddick is a managing engineer at GE. He helped design the system, fundamental problems. He says, GE took a LEGO approach to reservoir until we came up with some building blocks based on what we done in the past. Bob has solved a lot of problems for customers. 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You know, I'm I'm having trouble keeping up with all the name changes for Scandinavian energy majors. Norway's STATOIL recently became Ecuador and Denmark's Dong energy became or stead. I guess that's only two though, so I'm still waiting on Sweden's Vattenfall to change their name, but seriously, it could soon be hard to keep up with not just the name changes, but with all the offshore wind activity in the US as these big companies get serious about the market and bring their expertise to our shores. Jigger remind us who deep water. The wind is and why or stead would want to acquire the company. So deepwater wind is basically Brian Martin who's managing director at d Shaw. I mean, he and I met probably ten years ago and you know he has been pursuing this at the time, contrarian strategy of, you know, sort of making small bets in the. The offshore wind space in the US for ten years, man, that's a long time for a very large sort of private equity company like the shot to make a bat, and he's been dripping out money. They built a couple of officer turbans off a block island in Rhode Island, but they've been slowly biding their time to try to figure out how to get more permits and more, you know, sort of rights to build these farms and a five hundred ten million dollar. I don't know how much money he's put into it so far, but five hundred, ten million dollar acquisition is probably a huge exit for him and deepwater. Wind has been pretty successful, Catherine recap for us, deep water wins project in Rhode Island and the portfolio. It started to accumulate sense. Yes. So when when I talked to folks up there, they said five hundred, ten million dollars. Sounds like a deal for eight hundred megawatts PPA's a bureau of ocean, energy management yet. B. o. EM. Lease offshore and block island, Rhode Island, and an or stood says they have a capacity of building like three point, three gigawatts out there. So it's they haven't. They have not been able to compete for any of the RFP's for offshore wind up there because their prices were just coming into high, and it may be that the other developers were coming in aggressively low, but this way they bought their way in there in the market now because of this five hundred million dollars and it seems like a good deal. It seems like something they'll be able to work with now there in the market, and I think they're going to be doing a ton of development for offshore. I do not know much about what goes into their specific pricing for the bids they put in, for example, on the projects in off the coast of Massachusetts, they were rejected for. But I, we can say broadly that offshore wind is a local game. It requires pretty significant logistics and staging of. Very expensive high tech equipment. And so even if you are a global player who can do projects in the North Sea or elsewhere, it still costs a lot of money to bring your operations over here to the United States or any other country and get that equipment up and running. So having a local development partner who both has the equipment staged has the leases and understands the policy is really crucial for these global players, even if they are super sophisticated. And so because deepwater wind had you know, one bids they had put a project in the ground. It made sense as an acquisition opportunity. Yeah, and they have twenty five percent of the global market share of off Sherwin so they know how to do this and fun fact Dong was called Danish oil and natural gas and or stead. They renamed themselves last year after Hans Christian or stead who discovered electromagnetism. So that's why they changed their names, but they're, they have been in oil and gas company. And they've divested Oliver upstream oil and gas last year, and they say they're going to be completely phasing out all coal consumption by twenty thirty. So they're, they're taking big positions on renewables. Yeah, I went to their website just to poke around a bit before this conversation and their entire website is devoted to divesting from fossil fuels and addressing climate change a little glimmer of hope. After a depressing conversation on the reality of climate change that a major oil producer with such deep history has made a significant change. And then of course, Statoil which changed to what did it change to Ecuador is so they, we had Stephen bull on the podcast recently and they are undergoing the same transition. So that's a nice little sign back to the offshore wind market here in the United States. Jigger is this a sign of positive momentum for offshore wind development here in the u. US. I know we have many steps before we get some of these projects in the ground, but does this accelerate the process in any way for some of the bigger projects? Yeah, I think that you know, for a long time off for a win was really expensive. As we know the last RFP in Massachusetts came in at lesson seven cents a kilowatt hour for offshore wind. So now that's becoming quite a cost effective. And when you think about the population centers on the east coast, a lot of them are on the on the water. And so being able to power these cities directly from officer, wind farms, many of whom have fifty sixty percent capacity factors is really an exciting prospect, and frankly, essential to being able to decarbonised are grin. I, I don't think it's possible to just decarbonised our grid with. On land solar and wind, just because you know the transmission infrastructure is probably not gonna get built in the council US to be able to make that work without offshore. I think this shows that all of these companies like a now an n. g. and Ecuador are taking big positions in the US. They see that there are a lot of opportunities for renewable energy development and or set is just the latest one. Let's finish up with ethanol for those who listened to last week's live episode. You'll recall that I asked Catherine, what her least favorite renewable energy sources, and she said, biofuels, how are you feeling about that one? Yeah, yeah. And and just to clarify, I used to be the co director of American bioenergy association, but I was working to try to promote cellulosic biofuels and that just has not happened. Everything we do still is Cornell and all not all biofuels are created equal. Absolutely. And that is not a. Blanket dislike of biofuels. I, I think that they're gonna play an important role in our fuel mix going forward. Probably pretty small, but still important. And as long as we can get to the next generation of Sola or maybe even, you know, algae based biofuels. But we've talked about the problems in that sector enough to know that we're not there and probably not close. So you know, America has this tortured relationship with biofuels. There are domestic resource. They help farmers when we buy them. It's a good story. They are technically renewable, but conventional corn based ethanol is not sustainable in large quantities, and there are big questions over their ability to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. So I'm betting President Trump wasn't thinking about that nuanced picture. When this week he ordered the EPA to lift a summer ban on gasoline, mixed with fifteen percent ethanol. So let's talk about that ban and why it might be lifted, Catherine, what was likely on the. It's mind when he backed the biofuels industry in its push to allow year round e fifteen sales. Yes. So I don't think it has to do with his political philosophy about fuel. I think it had everything to do with chairman, Grassley getting cavenaugh onto the supreme court and Iowa is the number one state for ethanol. Explain who chairman Grassley is in his relationship to the industry and just help us understand that a little bit deeper. Yeah. He has been a total champion in Iowa for ethanol industry. They're the number one state followed by, but orders of magnitude followed by Nebraska, Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, South Dakota. But I, oh, is the number one? Ethanol state. And I think there was a solid done for Grassley and that kind of push it over the edge because there were so much opposition from the fuel and petrochemical industries from Petroleum Institute and the enviros. So. So the folks that really cared about it or the corn growers, the renewable fuels association that the those biofuels folks that wanted this to be extended all year and there there's some real environmental issues around doing that, expanding it to make sure that it that it can also be sold in the summer because of ground level, ozone issues associated with the summer months. Yeah, let's walk back to the context of it. So the renewable fuel standard was created in two thousand five, and we created standards for blending ten percent ethanol with gasoline. There's this higher mix, fifteen percent ethanol with gasoline. Very popular in the mid west, but the does not allow sales of e fifteen in the summer months. And there's I think, the as far as I can tell the research on this is inconclusive. There hasn't been enough research showing that e- fifteen increases air pollutants. It really the the concern is. Around like whether it does damage to engines and tail pipes and makes engines more inefficient and releases more predict. Particulate matter. Basically, environmental groups have been calling for more research on this, but I've kinda taken a skim of all the research, and I can't really tell that there's anything conclusive yet, but still those concerns over the increase in air pollution during summer months led to this blocking of e fifteen for a few months out of the year. Anything else we should know about like why this was in place and the battle around it. So the national renewable energy lab did a study that shows that seventy percent of current vehicles and forty percent of newer vehicles fail east fifteen compatibility tests. So those was vehicles can't even use it. This is really much more for farmers and farm equipment and and really for the commodity industry for the corn from oddity jigger your thoughts on this matter? Well, I'm thinking it's quite shock. Talking the, you know, Trump who hates bio-fuels literally said that on the campaign trail, Carl Icahn has biggest backer hates it even more because he owns refineries makes a full reversal here. I mean, he had his ass handed to him. Well, I think Catherine's right Trump wanted to thank Grassley forgetting cavenaugh through and simultaneously Trump is doing with political tension with farmers in midwestern states who've been getting penalized by Taras from China over all sorts of agriculture products. So Trump's trade war is having a direct economic impact on farmers, and he wants to be able to continue that trade war while also, you know, throwing something positive their way and saying that he's, you know, working for agricultural communities. There seems to be a two part political strategy here. I also think this is bad for climate because I think when you think about the climate negative imp-. Pact's of corn production and the bio diversity issues in a lot of that stuff around, you know, basically growing way too much corn in this country laced with, you know, roundup. I, I don't see how this is good for us. My sense is that ethanol played its part, you know, in in some ways, it's kept oil prices down because it reduced the total amount of oil demand in the United States then. So from that perspective, it could have been economically justifiable, but I think that you know that this increasing move to Athlon it's going to hurt automakers in some ways, right? I mean to Catherine's point, a lot of the most optimized engines from fuel economy perspective are not made to run ethanol, particularly not at fifteen percent, and in general, my sense is that what could happen is that the automakers actually have higher costs over time around engine design and it helps electric vehicles beat the the internal combustion engines that much faster. Yeah, I actually don't think it's going to have a huge impact. I, I don't think it's going to really do that. Much to expand to those three months because it's fifteen is not even a vailable in twenty one states. So I mean, I just think this is much more politically symbolic than anything. Agreed. Okay. Let's wrap up with some free electrons, Catherine. What's your story this week? Yes. So the American Council for an energy efficient economy, a c. AAA just released their two thousand eighteen state energy efficiency scorecard. And I know that on the last show in New York, I talked about energy efficiency being super important, so I'm gonna. I'm gonna stay on that track. There were eight billion dollars of investment up from seven point. Six billion. And the top state is still Massachusetts with California close behind and then New Jersey as the most improved. Interestingly, our ethanol state Iowa is losing ground and North Dakota, West Virginia and Wyoming are lagging jigger, what's your free electron? So I just wanted to head people over to our good friend, Andrew Winston, who's been a contributor here. The podcast, he wrote a great piece in response to the IPC report around. You know, basically saying that the scale of the response is really going to depend on what businesses do the next decade. And that matches worked at MacKenzie has done showing that a US corporations have been hoarding over two trillion dollars of cash on their balance sheets. And then if they invested that into existing energy efficiency, clean energy, clean transportation and cleaner supply chain investments that they've already identified that they could achieve twenty percent plus returns on investment. So my free electron is a little bit of log rolling. I like to occasionally talk about what we've got going on here at GTM because there's always something new. First of all, Julia piper. Our senior editor has a new column for GTM squared, which is a premium service analysis, editorial service. It's called electric avenue, and she's going to focus on the future of electric vehicles and mobility and transportation. She is a longtime expert on this before she came to GTM. She was covering transportation, and so we're switching from policy based focused to an e focus. And again, it will cover like autonomous vehicles, electric vehicle models, transportation policy, the future of mobility. It's a very cool subject dovetails nicely with our focus on. You know how oil and gas majors are thinking about getting into the electricity space and how electric vehicles will impact oil demand. So check out her first edition on the website now, and I hope you'll check out GTM square. The second is podcast a sponsored podcast that I put together with wonder capital this week. It is a a profile of three top women in the solar finance space. Two of them are wonder, capital employees who are executing a ton of deals. In fact, they're doing like tens of millions of dollars deal every every month in commercial solar, and it's a profile of what they do. New and more importantly, like the issues that they may face as women in this male dominated space, and it's a reflection on how far the solar industry has come and where it still needs to go in a very relevant conversation. Given the moment that were in and you know, the zeitgeist around gender issues. So the big takeaway is like more diverse companies equals more business and is just straight up better for business. And I really liked the episode, had a lot of fun putting it together, and I hope you enjoy it as well. Thanks everyone for listening. This is the energy gang from green tech media. You can follow us anywhere. You get your podcast, please, you know, word of mouth is super important. 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