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David Blair

Megan Publishing Services Podcast

05:05 min | 1 year ago

David Blair

"David blair today's unique coauthor interview is with a very special american writer mr david blair so let's get started right away one name david blair website w._w._w. Dot dragons clouds dot com to country origin united states three. Do you prefer to read a particular genre. I like whole genres forty right in the same. I'm john laura if not which one i have written a fantasy a western and a contemporary crime drama five have you always written and and what got you started professionally. I got involved in storytelling in the eighth grade. I wrote directed and starred in a student film called destination destiny. I then picked up writing again in my early thirties. A movie producer friend of mine challenged me took a write a screen play and from that point on. I was hooked six. How many books have you published one dragons in the clouds. My first published work although i do have other completed manuscript s- waiting in the wings seven which one would you like to tell us about dragons in the clouds of course eight. Why did you write this book. What is it about dragons in the clouds. I started out as a project for puff. The magic dragon knight beloved song recorded by a peter paul and mary. I was having lunch with the hair stylist for universal movie producer. Kathleen kennedy's has stylist. I mentioned is that i was working on a story based on puff. Then about a month later i read in variety. The industry magazine that kennedy had bought the rights to puff needless to say that taught me a lesson to keep my mouth shut dragons in the clouds epic adventure that takes place in a time when dragons were alive live and freely roamed the land the people during this time. We're getting eaten by a vicious specie of dragon. The meat eaters the ruling king of this period finally orders the total annihilation of all living dragons a powerful wizard named merlin ius does not agree with the king's order fault. He knows that all dragons are not what they seem from earliest friends to a species of dragons the plan teeters so to protect his dragon and friends melania scraps family of dragons the spell of weightlessness and then tells them to fly up and to hide in the cover of the clouds and for them to only he come down at night to feed an unforeseen ability of the dragons weightless spell is that they're fired now looks like that of lightning and they're all now sounds like thunder thunder and apprentice to the wizard who has grandeur of his own has meat-eating dragons hidden deep within a cave and he too gives them the same spell of weightlessness now enters a widowed mother and her young son who also has befriended dragon though a very young woman they suddenly find themselves caught between the king's order and the battle that has begun between latouche species of dragons battled that will determine control of the skies above the kingdom of albion. The apprentices plan has consequences that may bring the kingdom and perhaps the very world we live in today to a devastating end nine book covering s._p._n. And slash acid dragons in the clouds i._s._p. N. minus thirteen nine hundred seventy eight one nine hundred forty nine one thousand eight hundred and nine seventeen six cecil b o seven k c q eight thousand one hundred and seventy three ten. What would you like your next book. Okay to be on. I have a contemporary crime drama. I am excited to publish titled meaner than the devil eleven. If you could go anywhere in the universe us where would you go and why the center of the milky way. I heard that is the center or origin of the universe. The nebula would also be awesome some to get a closer look at twelve. Is there anything you can share about yourself. All your work that not many people know. I love to write when i get in those zone. I could write for hours dollars thirteen. What is your favourite foreign food tossup between italian and mexican food forty nine you or have you ever been terrorist. Hurting people as evil wouldn't have any part of that fifteen have you ever accidents called your spouse partner by the name of a character in your latest book candidates so what was his or her reaction l. o. l. No you can read are if you have dragons in the clouds by david blair on this site here megan publishing services dot com you can buy dragons in the cloud loud spy david blair on this site here meghan publishing services dot com.

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Blair Underwood

Strong Black Legends

39:36 min | 1 year ago

Blair Underwood

"Welcome to strong legends. The show where we give flowers to the legends of Black Film and Television brought to you by Netflix and strong weck lead each week. We talk with the folks that paved the way for us to imagine what was possible. Both on and offscreen. I'm your host Tracy Clayton Aka young whomever Mcgaugh my mix tape entitled. Why am I doing this? Drop in at some point. Maybe I'll now let's just see what happens. Let's talk so at the top of every show. I like to practice name the kind of parent that one day with Mike to be in. That is the kind that you'll that their kids about have don't know nothing about their favorite things so I know you know about Blair underwood but what's I know about Blair underwood you owe Blair underwood light of my life. Fire of my Loins Ladies and Gentlemen Friends and family in this episode. We are talking to none other than the beautifully faced and beautifully talented. Blair underwood himself. That's right yeah. He did not actually get hot GRITS HIS VASE IN AT ONE. Tyler Perry Movie. He was just acting an act. Hor Acts but seriously folks whether you know Blair from your most recent net flicks marathon or from your Mama's VHS tapes of La Law. You already know that Blair underwood has been Hollywood royalty for a minute. I still can't believe it but I got a chance to sit down with the man himself the same end that we have all dreamed about in our lives at one point or another for sure. We talked about him growing up as a military brat. We talked about that role of his own. Sex and the city That role and how he met a certain president of the United States early on in his career wonder who that could be. You will definitely WanNa hear that story because it's a good one so sit back relax and take in this conversation with the also lovely Blair underwood. I am A- hype ecstatic over the Moon Aside. It's Zeke here with the one and only Blair underwood. Hello Hello thank you so much should be an excellent absolutely feeling fantastic all right well. Let's talk all about you and nothing else I would love to go back before. Blair underwood was the Blair underwood what was baby. Blair like how would your parents and family described you at ten years. Old Baby Blair. Oh ten years old ten years old. I had a thing about staying in the in the box. You know well in terms of you know the rules that you live by in a household and a in a society and You know I was found myself thinking outside the box wanting to do things outside the box and not wanting to do things just because somebody said I had to do it with the military family and in the south yeah mostly mostly in the southern because military family moved around a lot Colorado Michigan Germany. Kansas Georgia but we live mostly in Virginia. My Dad retired and Virginia. Family still in Virginia So but it's what drove me into to acting like the whole Nine to five was was. Never my groove. I knew I couldn't. I mean if I look you do what you have to do. But it wasn't where I wanted to be. I'd rather be on stage in front of the camera. Creating something or writing directing something so some kind of manifest itself in my life. Where do you call home like what place feels the most like home out of all the places that you have lived definitely Virginia? Only because we we lived there four different times lived in moved away and came back four different times That's what my dad retired. So he we've been routes have been there since eighty two But also you know I did this. Show years ago called Who Do you think you are necessity show and they tracked my ancestors. Generations deep back to Virginia State of Virginia. So it did make sense of that. I was always drawn. I only lived there. My physical growth here also. Just my ancestors We they found by four times. Great Grandfather. Two hundred acres of land and Lynchburg Virginia. James River So he was a free person of color at that time. Very exciting so I said it makes sense. Why Virginia feels like Home What did moving around so much. Teach you about the world. That is a great question. What it teaching about the world. It taught me that that we are all more similar than we are different. That's the main thing taught me You know because of that that the kind of nomadic lifestyle growing up all over the place you know and raise our family have done the same thing you know since babies could hardly walk playing or something just to travel. It's it's my problem. Big Passion is travel and see the world gross oats. I think it's one of the greatest education but everywhere I've been able to go in the world. It just teaches me. That is as unique as we all are. We're more similar humanity than anything else. How does that experience? Or how has that experience informed your work in your acting traveling? You know as as an actor you pull from your experiences you pull from your imagination you know but you also pull from what you know. So it gives you a grounding. I mean again I keep referring to what I'm doing accidents. It's fresh soldiers. Play being an Army Brat. It's a play about army men and I'm playing an army officer very rarity his place in the nineteen forty four during World War Two. So they're only five black officers in the army during World War Two. My Dad was an officer In the sixties that was rare even then to play this character. Even I draw on my experiences watching my father really become you know. I knew him as my dad. And then he'd plan that uniform and he'd go out into the world and be this army officer and everything that came with that as an African American officer in the sixties which was not easy So that's the example. I draw from that very personal experience. So when did when did the bug bite you the acting bug you know? I think it was when I was probably eight or nine years old. I would watch the kids on. Tv or in movies. You're paid is enough is enough Apples wait long before your time. It was a show with a family like six or seven kids mixed family Radi Bunch. You know we're hold on Blackpool's on TV at that time. Yeah I'll give them what you could but it was. It was a show. I saw people that look that look like the but their kids and it seems something fun to do Megabucks Sean Tell. We worked together for years. You're just asking like did you. Enjoy DOING QUANTICO SEAN. Abc here for a couple of years. We worked together on that here in New York. And she said I'll say the plan to announce such it's such a challenge challenged every day every night in front of an audience because what they call upon you to do. It's like a high wire act. So what did you enjoy doing? A Qantas was that a challenge wasn't that it was so much of a challenge but it was fun. So you know sometimes things are challenging and fun to play him to announce things sometimes. It's just just fun to do as you're choosing your roles like what's the most important thing to you like. Is it that you have fun? Is it that the role is something that you feel like you believe in the project is something that you believe in? If I'll be able to talk to at the end of the day incident. What was the question? What are the the most important things to you that a role that Blair underwood is going to accept? Shit now. I mean listen what it was when I started is different than it is now when I started. Its do anything you can. That's legit. That's where you can grow you. It's important to work work especially early on my career. It's I do the work just work and grow and learn and make mistakes and adjust and pivot and learn and grow a mature and evolve. Now I still want those same things but you know there are the factors you know a wife and three kids. Although they're older now eighteen twenty one and twenty two but still. Yeah but it's time away from them every time I say yes to a job. It's away from home. It's time away from family That's a consideration there financial considerations because you have other people depending on you You know what I was a kid. It was a secure startups twenty one. But it's all about free falls all about learning responsibilities. I WanNa say that I became aware of your existence the LA law which my mother young thank. You know I'm old enough to watch on primetime into this was nine hundred. Eighty six through nineteen ninety four. I have a question about Primetime TV roles and just like the audition process in general like it's a different prime time. Tv is just more competitive like what was going up for that role primetime time. Tv is different than it was in the Eighties Com. Either one a whole lot of African Americans at that time. If we had a chance for myself included we will use the token. There's like one black person on the show Gay People Very few Asians in the eighties and the nineties So because the stakes were very high so when I came in to audition for La Law. I knew because I came in the beginning of its second season. Its first season. It came out of the blocks. Like gangbusters the number one drama on television. So I knew if I when when I went into that audition. If I got that part it would be game changing so of course it makes you even with that much more nervous because the stakes are high in terms of that audition process it it It was just another audition in terms of the mechanics of what I what I put on it and I think my head and my head game and get nervous you know of course slit of course again when the stakes are high. Because everybody's look especially as an actor you're looking for that break that's GonNa give you that break. The damn that's going to give you some openings. I knew if I could be on the number one drama on television at that time it would. It would change things did self. You hit the small screen with La law hung out there for a while nineteen ninety-six you make your way to the set of a movie called. Set it off and of course this is what the kids are now calling a blast movie black classic movie make a blessing of plastic movie and I mean like the the cast alone like I would watch anything they made you had Jada. Pinkett Smith Queen Latifah Vivica Fox in Kimberley police. And you've got all of these really really strong women in these really strong roles and here you are dude in a story about like women and friendship. How did you see your role as being one of the key men in the story? You don't have to tell you I wasn't going to do that. Movie Really Micheli. Why because I was playing Jackie Robinson in the movie with the Michael t Williamson Delroy Lindo called soul of the game about the Negro Leagues of baseball and I was in alson black historical figures and noble Negroes in great stories. And all this and and this was forgot what your came out but this was that right after boys the Hood Canal and Minister Society and there was a lot of conversation of the script comes out about these four black women in the hood. Now we're going to girls in the hood and those little those little pushback like why we get only WanNa see us as slaves or in the hood and Hollywood's losing green light so now I'm doing this historical figure planes acting Robinson and and I remember I remember. I'll be honest with you. I remember I was in my hotel room and I read the script. I read the first sixteen or eighteen pages and I read the scene. Where Jada Pinkett character sleeps with the guy to make money brother can go to college and I was like I don't want I don't Wanna I don't Wanna I don't know if I want to see that surpassed on it and f Gary Gray. Who DIRECTED IT? I was directing music videos in the eighties. And he was my first my first three videos. But he's directing and you know occurs. Why did you say no I said you know? I didn't finish reading a script. Medicine either. Finished reading the script when I read it. I saw the love story between data and Keith banker that I played and I thought that was a nice balance but also understood what the story they were telling about these four sisters. That is a love story that is a friendship and loyalty and being there for each other and And that was one of the mistakes I made that. I'd never made again if I if I pass on something. I want to make sure I read it and understand it from beginning to end because it's one of the decisions I made them. Most grateful for. Because because people reference emily to this day and the fact that Jada and our free will to portray this this black love story in the midst of such chaos refuge. Out of this chaos. And I'm very proud of that film to be part of it. It's I would say that you are pretty much established as a heart. Throb I would say in Hollywood She will take a vote. Everybody see it but it's true. How is like does does your ability to just like make so many women people feel things like romantically these things that you do like is that just does it. Just come from like your natural swab miss is just like oh. I gotTa do is like inductive no problem. I got that or does it come from. I mean I know that okay. I self identify as Awkward. Kinda goofy lovable very charming. If at thank you if I had to like act out a loves the or leg just pretend to like somebody onscreen. I just feel like I would be so uncomfortable. And it just blew. The goofiest thing in the world can be. Is it ever tough for you? it well. I don't know if it's tough. It can be uncomfortable. I mean especially not somebody Set it off. We had a love scene. And Jade had a body double. Yeah she made the choice and understandably then people do that. I'd have to act out like do the physical stuff some no. Well the physical body parts which I respect and I absolutely get that So literally this actress comes in and say hi nice to meet you. Jump right in the middle of the physical stuff so yeah. It can be awkward sometimes so speaking of romantic roles You joined the cast of a show called sex in the city in its final season and you are the love. Interest of the red headed one whose name. Yes yes yes hedge. You been a fan of the show before you took the role of us. It is no dyes came on. I wouldn't have any my wife is like I can't even with you right now. I'm focused on before. Dvr maybe we we had more doing let made you say yes to the role. Honestly she said she should again. I'm honestly I said no I Yam Two years prior because there was an episode. If you saw if you know six in the city where controls character the fast one wanted to be with the black man and it was all about the curiosity of what's a black man like are the room is true and all of that. Thank you but no thank you. I appreciate it. I'm I'm honored I mean I don't take that like when people offer you a job not interested in being black curiosity. Yeah but thank you. So two years later they came back in and said you know an offer to come join the show and I said well. Is it going to be about his race or he can be able to be a human being? They said. Now he's just a doctor that's in her building. She meets in the elevator and they they hit it off and a normal person. Yeah but that was important. That's been that's been like a long since the beginning of my career conversation that I don't WanNa be the black guy even though I was the token but you you're going to be forced to deal with a keep going back to the word humanity because that's really what it is. It encompasses everything not just your race. Logistics Agenda Not just your profession. Just your you know your nationality but everything that you are so they said yeah we. We're not we don't want to deal with that. And I think I did five epilogue five episodes. I think they mentioned it once because obviously we'll have to talk about the black. Yeah it's obvious what you who what you are. So yes so. It was a lot of fun and again. I'm glad I said yesterday because I didn't watch the show. Also I did. I didn't know but it but I had no idea that she was popular as it was and still is. Yeah I'm very taken with your With the ease with which you seem to turn down roles in big chances. Did you have to learn to say no? Did you have to learn that it was an option that you have because I remember beyond safe sane and homecoming which? I'm assuming that you've seen if you haven't but she was talking about having to like she didn't understand that she could say no at times in her career and I'm just like you're beyond say you should know it but I think it speaks to like you know a lot of times. We are so conditioned to not having a choice you know. I know that I've had to learn how to say no. That's a good point. Yeah so did it hours. Come naturally to you. Tend to work on. Well you know I was. I was twenty one when la law started. That was twenty one. So they're right out of college. I mean I would tell you I was too young and dumb. It'd be scared I didn't know that you can't say no you. You know you got your life idiot so then things started to happen. And then you have you. Have you know you have foundation to speak to and and have credence and credibility to say you don't have built this so I don't want to go down that path over there for I'm GONNA say no but bigger than that? It's a faith walk much bigger than that. It's a faith walk and it's really about saying. I'M NOT GONNA put my future and my happiness in the hands of a studio executive or network executive or an agent or a manager because you're not my God I mean if you're gonna be real serious about what I do where I'm going to end up is based on this. I believe this already preordained. So have to listen to that. Inner Voice and not give that power over to somebody. Who's getting a paycheck to produce a product? But that's not easily done all the time I I recognize that. Yeah speaking of college. You went to visit Harvard Law. I think prepping for your role on La Law and a little Birdie told me that you met a young man who went on to become the first black president of the United States. How in the world that happen while I was in my first Season Valley Law and my character when he came on the show. He was from Harvard Law School in his backstory and he was editor of the Harvard Law Review in his backstory so the Harvard Law Harvard Law. School invited a couple of producers and myself to come speak to the law school. And I I did not even remember meeting him at the time and we went out to dinner that night. With a group of students and Alan Dershowitz which is Ironic And it wasn't until he ran for president where he did an interview and he mentioned that they would call him my character on campus and the Communists did so. Did you meet Rapporte? All men big ears at tall has the same great as reinforce seen him since then in a saw him was actually campaign for him was at at the White House at their first state dinner and it was just. It was a mind blowing moments. You talk about continuity and evolution Dec- to see this African American family in this this museum I e the White House That slaves enslaved Africans built And to see them as a first family this was like their first two months in the White House so it was just wild and You know Harkening back to when I first met him to see where he is now and he was of course the actual editor of the Harvard law right and the first black president. No salesmen wild. Yeah Wow typically I would I would ask you what Barack Obama smells like Book that That's why I'm just like I don't. I don't know that you know I think he smells like freedom and reparations. Just Awesome Okay. So we must talk about your work in when they I'm just glad that she exists. I'm so glad she's you know a really really am One of the things that I thought when I heard about this project I I was really excited but I was also like you know this is heavy you know and I mean like life is heavy. Sure but like it just seems like we're at a place in society where like everything's on fire and like you know trauma is just like front and center and so many stories. Was it ever like draining for you to like kind of exist inside this movie in this completely unjust case? Oh sure sure You Know I. It's your points. We'll take it when you say it's heavy and so many people have said. I wanted to watch it or haven't I haven't seen all four episodes four hours I started wash. It was just too heavy and you know my retorted that is these guys their lives altered and they did years in prison. You know if you're interested you know maybe we can give them at least four hours of a time but yeah it was but you know it's whenever you create anything of art performing art with its film television stage When it's heavy especially you have to have that release val and I would tell you. This was shooting because of Asia's direction in her spirit. Everybody wanted to really bring their a game But also you know you work hard and you play hard. So there's a lot of laughter on that said we'll leave him that because we knew we felt like we were doing something that was necessary and timely and relevant Tell me about some of the stories and stuff that would happen on that. Do you have a favorite memory from making the movie favorite memory? I think I don't know Bro. Funny member necessarily but just watching. These young cow walked on the set. The first day in and I I was blown away at how young these guys were guys. They were fourteen fifteen. Sixteen so one of the actors was actually fourteen. I think fifteen one was twenty one playing younger but but you forget that they were. They were babies as a parent. Now I look at these babies So I think that's what stuck out with anything but also then watching these kids come there as just professional active slamming Take after take this putting it in getting it in doing the work honest and raw So that's that's that's inspiring to me to watch these. These young kids do that thing. I'm always very taken by the roles that you take and another project that you worked. Last year was dear. White People Another net flicks Netflix series. My last bar products with Netflix. Oh Yeah How's about that? I don't want to spoil it too much. Who Haven't seen it but your character is a professor college. Campus gets swept up in some me too ish type stuff With a student a white student so given our current political landscape like these conversations that people are having right now like the abuse of power of minute who are in charge and the metoo movement and then like matters of race. You know. Black lives matters a thing What was it like to portray someone in the middle of a fictionalized account of something? That's really going on right now. vet'll ballard wasn't executive producer on the show that time just in. Siemian created the show and she was a friend and she had dinner together. our families in she said. Would you come on show as well what will I I? Yeah 'cause he's a friend And she told me what the character was about so to answer your question in terms of the Hashtag metoo movement of it all I asked. I quite like getting in the middle of telling relevant stories. Part of my love of what I do is to entertain. But if you can provoke thought and stimulate thought and change and be a part of that conversation because we haven't had that conversation a lot in our community you know there's there's the bill cosby of it all and in this and that was really kind of the broad stroke template of this character because this character that play. Professor Brown was beloved by all the students and he was a hero to the students. What do we do in our communities? Specifically when our heroes fall that was the impetus of this of the storyline So to to be a part of telling that story from creatives sampling. I love being a part of that and the reason I love it is because it's it's necessary that we have these conversations with the guards specifically specificity of who we are and what that means to us. Why sometimes it's harder for us because we don't have we we don't have as many heroes as we probably should have needed to have someone. One of US falls alike cosby. What do we do with that? What are we put that whom we look to look within ourselves to look to other people look to our parents ourselves as leaders in our community or our homes families So I love being a part of those conversations so to portray you know he would probably now. I mean it's been also veit spoiler. I don't mind playing bad guys officer guy as my body works a lot of good ten years but some people see you always play. The bad guy for is more interesting to play. Because because there's a mystique good guys you know you know what you're gonNA get bad guys. You don't don't always know so I love that so this would be considered a quote unquote bad guys. Let's get under the layers. That's what I enjoy doing. Covert let's mine. What's underneath that find out? Why do people actively that's why I always have to explain to people why I'm so interested in serial killers and they're always like you know what we could have been talking about the whole I'm have a morbid fascination with what goes wrong in a brain right. How how does one? How does one get to the point? Where you've got like body parts in your freezer circular just caused with Sean Connery. And Laurence Fishburne Adheres Scarlett Johansson at ten years old. Wow but but yeah. That exploration was Was was crazy but what. Yeah what what wrong you have. Another upcoming Netflix. Mini series about the life of a one madame CJ Walker Is a period piece. I love period and I feel like there are not enough black wins. I don't know if that's true. That's probably true but it's happening more and more because of Netflix and streaming services What are you most excited for people to see in this? Many call man Octavia Spencer for once. She added C. J. Walker Academy Award Winning Octavius Academy Award winning. Indeed Tiffany Haddish is in it as well. She plays her daughter And Garrett Morris and Bill Bellamy You know what I'm most excited for people to see the story itself It's called self-made. They have newtown now but self made the lifetime or legacy of inspired by Madame. Cj Walker But you know this. This was a woman for those who don't know who was the first self made female millionaire in our country that black about the first female self-made millionaire another what she did not inherited she worked for. She built it and she did that by creating black hair care products for for African American women at the time on this early nineteen hundred. She died in Nineteen Nineteen So this this was extra. She live right next door to John. John Rockfeller so she was balling out of control as this is what. I'm saying if so much about her life we don't realize so for people to just. Kinda see see her life and understand who she was looking forward to so my character is CJ Walker so her her name was actually Sarah Breedlove Then that is a sign of the Times. She was known in relationship to her man. Miss Mrs Cj Long Madame CJ Walker But their relationship is very interesting because he was a salesman in a in a in a marketer and So they they kind of fed off each other and you know they had a life issues as the good drama On a black man we're issues Ooh funk see what happens when you invest in blackness and black content. Real talk okay. This is our rapid fire questions segment where I just ask you. A bunch of random stuff Quick Rapid Fire. So you're at a wedding or a funeral or some black family event for their line is your time. It's your turn to move on Milan. What dance doing who started doing shuffling a couple turn. Maybe a split. Oh nine mostly committed to the split. I think this is legally binding. Tell me one black performer. Who you feel deserves their flowers. That's a great question. There's some young actors enough show right now. That Coming up. Oh Man. Let me come back to that. Tunnels rapid-fire I think that yeah you're doing terribly so what's the most one you've ever had on his head probably when they see US actually. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Even I go back a long way so to see her. Come up the way she has it. Just it just made me smile. See Nassar's forever. So yeah we had a Lotta Lotta Fun on them. If you have any other black actor play you in a movie about your life. Who would it be all man? Oh Man. Who'd have the young actor fair? Oh man you know. There's a young actor who played a younger version of me in a project. I did years ago. Elisa Kelly come on the scene like gangbusters. He was in the Wiz live. I think he played ten man. I believe He's he's he's everywhere right now but he's doing great stuff great actors so yeah and we. Kinda look alike that were so if it were possible to pull your black card. You know what I'm talking about when I say that. Okay if it were possible to pull your card for something. What would that something be for example? What is an example of my own that I have not given yet? I don't might corn bread. I like Bruce. Yeah See Yeah. This is. This is cards. That's fine it's fair. Well what can we? What can we pull you out for? Oh man terrible basketball player I feel like they kind of make sense doesn't make sense. I think so. I don't know that's true. That's true well you know what you took out. I'm taking you to Mr Blair underwood. This was so much fun. What are you working on now? Where can people find you? So I'm doing a play on Broadway right now. Call the soldiers play That's what I'm doing until March fifteenth. It's it's it's going incredibly well. It's a limited run only seven weeks if you think you WANNA come get your ticket now seriously. Because they're going fast So yes that's that's the main thing I'm doing right now and then. I got a book coming out called Olympic Pride American prejudice Into February Matt. C Walk Comes Out March Twentieth And negotiated to direct and star in a movie right after this. Hopefully so. We'll talk about that. Is it about a serial killer No not about a serial killer but some some some duck stuff going on Thank you so much for stopping by. We appreciate you in your work so much job. Thank you okay. Everybody pop quiz. What do all of these movies have in common? You listening okay. Number One. The bodyguard number two the produce wife number three Purple Ring Number four waiting to exhale number five. Mo Money Number six boomerang. Have you thought about it as it times up there are all examples of what? I'm giving flowers to this week in the part of the show that we call Tracy's flowers. Oh my gosh. I can't believe it's time for traces flowers again. This is what they fired. Shell MEDAC. That wasn't mean somebody in the stands. Just rockets rock is in the stands so if you have not figured it out by now this week my flowers go to a drum roll please. It turns out that all twenty of the top highest grossing movie soundtracks of all time were made before the year. Two thousand that is mathematical proof friends and family that soundtracks today our trash in listen. I Dunno math. I understand that math though. They're terrible now. When is the last time that you heard a bomb ass movie soundtrack? Go ahead thing about it. Eggs Agley has been exactly forever. I love movie. Soundtracks specifically from the pre two thousand era because they gave us so much. They were pretty much compilation albums that featured all of our favor artists. That were out of the time right. For example the moment soundtrack gave us a duet by Janet Jackson. A Luther Vandross black song in the world does Wanna say them. Purple Rain gave us Purple Rain. Which you should know the boomerang. Soundtrack gave us so much. Amazing Vintage Toni. Braxton like Pixie cut toni. Braxton Lake just on the scene Toni Braxton like love. Shoulda brought you home last night. Toni Braxton plus end of the road by the boys to men. Do you remember that Song? It was everywhere it was on this soundtrack also pm. Don's die without you. Also on that soundtrack I could go on and on about this. And if you don't mind I think I will. Because Whitney shout out to the absolute undisputed Queen of the movie soundtrack the late Great Nippy. Houston who gave us the preacher's wife the bodyguard and of course waiting to exile. Can I get a shoop shoop okay? So let's talk about what was on this soundtrack. You got exile the shoop shoop song which is really fun to say aretha. Talking about a role is still a rose which it is. And there's that song that Sean pay more may singing in a completely made up language a completely made up. There's not one word in the whole song and you know what the Song Steal Goals. It's a but but this is no words. No words is really really good. Though other amazing soundtracks include but not limited to Romeo must die. The nutty Professor Rush Hour Love Jones now exceptions to this rule include brown sugar. That came out in two thousand into There's the Lion King Soundtrack may by king beyond say herself. Because I mean afrobeat Blue Ivy and the Black Panther soundtrack by Kendrick Lamar. If there's one I'm missing that also is an exception to the rule please by all means tweet me educate me. I'm always learn but until then I'm going to assume that I'm a thousand percent correct and movie soundtracks from the year. Two Thousand and earlier. These flowers are for you. Honorable Mention goes to the old brother where art and forrest gump soundtracks though white great movies great soundtracks both Tracy approved. Congratulations to you friends and family. You did it. We made it to the end of another amazing interview. I talked to Blair underwood immense wild. A still cannot believe it. Here's a fun thing that you should do right now. Godia Internet machines go to YouTube dot com that org that edge you etcetera etcetera go to Youtube and look up. Blair underwood in Donahue what you will find is a clip of Blair underwood on the Donahue show talking about. Whether or not Jesus was black first of all he was missy which actually kind of appreciate in second of all. He's so smart and he just looked so just delectable why he's dropping all these gyms and all the I need. 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Blair White

The Dish With Trish

1:28:59 hr | 1 year ago

Blair White

"Hey guys welcome back to another episode of the dish with Trish. I am your host. Trish nine here today with a very special guest first time meeting but she is no stranger to the Internet layer whites. I everyone this is iconic. It's a long time coming. I feel like my subscribers are GonNa Freak out mine too. I think even people who don't know us we'll freak out just because your reputation my reputation. Yeah I feel like there's so much to get into late night so she's Youtuber. You started out youtube as what as lifestyle blog or beauty blogger? No I started out literally the same way I am now. Just like I always say just like a bitch. With opinion came on ranting. I was in college at the time for Computer Science I was start broke just like how a lot of opinions. I felt like weren't necessarily like the opinions. You were allowed to speak on basically and so I made a video randomly and I started talking like feminism and politics and all these different things from the perspective of being Trans which I felt like there was missing The right off the bat you're like I'm transgender. Yeah I like Kinda got not rot away and Yeah Youtube Lake change my life like youtube awesome. I Love Youtube. And where did you grow up where? We'RE JORDI START YOUTUBE. I grew up in northern California. And that's where I started at and then Typical Youtube story like eventually moved here. And I'm in your house you know we feel like we've communicated like years ago even like Bob Award. I feel like for me when I watch like videos and stuff like that I I saw you obviously on shades or I listen to you on chains podcast and I saw you know jumper so that was kind of how I got a feel like a new. We had Dan. I didn't know much about other than I know. You came on a lot. That was the thing that I was introduced to you. I think I had just after the H. Three thing because I had your back on that I was like I didn't really like the video that he may right right now. I love now I love h so it's funny. How like you can really hate somebody. Because I really hated him. It was not like a troll. I wasn't like I really thought he was discussing. Like meet someone. And you're like oh. They're like not that person. They're not that bad you know. Try and find like the goodness and everybody which obviously I'm very hated and we'll talk about that. We'll get to that a little background for people who may not know you so okay. How old were you when you started? Youtube got started in twenty. I was like twenty two twenty three and twenty six now. Okay so I'm still in new beyond sleepy. Yeah wow what recently. What has blown you up. I all of a sudden I just saw your views and I was like feeling it. I don't really know honestly I think like the Trans topic like just became really really hot. And I feel like there's news stories constantly about it and stuff going viral. People wanted the opinion of someone that they felt like wasn't crazy to me on a lot of just crazy opinions out there stupor. Radical and mine was more of a middle of the road type of thing right and some people just got towards me and like just out of nowhere like I would say. You're almost a yeah. You're like the complete opposite of a radical activists like I was listening to she. Podcast where you were talking about like I would say south that even trans people might be like. Well that's not you know what I mean like. You just certain things. The first thing always bring this type of you. WanNa talk about how we use it. Something along the lines of you and maybe misquoting but something along the lines of mental illness. You said Oh yeah I said I mean because gender does Fauria is the disorder that transport diagnosed with which was like. It's the disconnect. Between like how you feel how you look and wanting to be a different gender like that's I don't think it's a bad thing I feel like for all the talk about like you know we should. We should destabilize mental health and talk about it. Okay then we should be able to freely. Say That like yeah. There was something I was born with. And it's not a bad thing making lots of a person you know what I mean but it is why transition because this is where I got in trouble so again. If you guys are new or don't know my story like I last video where I identified boldly as transgender. I say talk about now as I thought I was transgender. Just because I got so much backlash while I was like I think I am. I feel like I am even as soon as like a few days ago when overseen Orlands I was like I just feel better dressing like the quote unquote boy. As soon as I put on a suit and a tie or something I feel more myself. I feel comfortable when I go out as as girl. I don't know how to like say these things as a gender girl what Jose like how society looks like girls. I don't feel comfortable. So it's like. Is that this morpheus. Is that this Fauria. I don't know I feel like I would have to like I don't know that's like a question for therapists really like Like someone to diagnose you like I would feel uncomfortable being like that means that you have just forever you know I don't know like I feel like everyone. Just comfortable presenting in different ways. Do you feel like maybe like 'cause you're very like Glam as well like you're very like when I think of you. I think of like long wavy blonde mocks is that lake more of a performer. Thing for you. Or that's that's what I said and I guess I guess. Listen on the video tickets. I don't know I guess I need to know what people's issues where because to this day and maybe I'm ignorant like what the issue was because anyone else who says I feel like I'm transgender. People just like embrace it whether they look like it or not and for me. Because I'm a troll or did I say something offensive. Is it like because I said I felt like boy? No just because you don't feel like a girl doesn't mean you're a boy. I don't know what the offensive thing was and I guess I need to know because I'm not sure right. Well it was never offended like number but I mean let's obviously address like I made a video literally title handkerchief Pitas. You're not trying to no. I don't watch anybody who's made about me either. So I feel especially yours and I remember an followed. I was so scared. You're not transgender. That's all I remember. Nothing like I was I was just so you know I actually in the video. I was like I really like her. I've always followed her but like it. Is this like your video? Like let's hear Allen for you chew a Trans woman like to someone who has transitioned years ago and it's like living life a didn't really make a ton of sense to me like sort of like your reasoning. I could also just be the way. It's waiting in the moment I dunno and obviously I'm not inside your heart your mind you know. Sure Yeah But to me and I think to a lot of people just based on because I saw like the reactions you and what other youtubers were saying and one of them was like some of your reasoning was like that you're attracted to like gay men And maybe I was like I am. I like there's so many hog gay guys in West Hollywood like I was like. I don't really think that's what makes you like Tran. Wasn't I dated a lot of gay man which I don't think gay men would date assists woman. Right you're gay you're not. GonNa data this woman right correct. Unless you're like in denial. I got I lived a gay Guy Right. I just feel like I've been with gay guys. strictly gay. Not By. I feel like there's a masculinity that attracts them to me. That's real I mean I mean. Yeah it's like you know. I feel like part of the problem is like a lot of this is like gray area. You know what I mean. Unlike what this topic a lot of people trying to fit it into like perfect little boxes and Mike I'm not inside of her heart mind like I can't tell her lake obviously the title and everything. But it's that's the title But it was just more so that it wasn't like relatable to like me as a transverse we're relating to the CIANCI to preside saul talking about it but at the same time again. It's like it's you right. It's however you I guess. And the other touchy thing. Gdp my friend who very publicly transitioned she her issue with it or and she called me before her issue that she went out in the video was me saying. I'm not fully transitioned so I guess that was like the offensive thing that you see. There's no fully transitioning or partially transitioning but in my head and I think to a lot of people we think you fully transition when you are the full embodiment of that gender. Is that not accurate that young? I mean there's different Lake like for me like I have a deck okay we we can habitat. Wow Yeah okay. I mean it's like everyone you know transitions to the extent for which there like. I believe Jesus to like I don't know about that. She made a video saying why didn't go. She did she may. So that's like that's like a thing like no one. There's not like a sat transition. I guess it wasn't just for me and I think for others. It wasn't that you like didn't necessarily meet what transgender was. It was that there wasn't like really like anything super relatable like like I didn't really see any like your story in my stories but I'm trying to say that way so when I'm like Oh like I feel better in voice close. I feel better with people seeing me as a boy when I went out and visually as a boy. I just feel more comfortable that way. So that's what maybe something else. I don't know how I the same thing with me. It's like your reputation is procedural like 'cause you have told them to pass which I love. I like live your talk. Radio told you haven't seen any good ones on why you should make more like crazy because this happens to me. I haven't done a video and years where I actually sat dontrelle trying to get people to believe me so when this came about which is something that like hand to God. I'll say this again like I just. I really always felt this that I always felt like as in the wrong body. Like always should be a boy and I know it's always been I've talked about with people like gender identity issues all this stuff like that and so I was like oh I feel comfortable. Talk about this because people at my shows talked about it like there was a male to female who didn't look have any feminine. Anything you know. He wasn't long hair. He didn't wear a skirt. Snuggie free like Berry pre. I would say just a pretty boy but he was a girl and he's like I saw identified them anyways. Okay it's not about me but I'm just saying I just was like confused I still am. I don't consider myself because people really got mad and it made me scared because you don't consider yourself tranny more. I don't say it out loud Oprah's when people come to my show was amazed transgender. And look nothing like. They're the gender that they transitioned to. It just made me feel comfortable now. I'm like I don't really and they consider themselves transgender. I think it's just like you said maybe because I I think I think that was it for me. I think Lake Singer Block. No I know and trust me I get it. I know obviously and I'm I'm not in your mind like I saw wake and if you're listening you're saying that's really how you feel like you really felt that way like. I can't what am I gonNa be really feel it then like maybe just like talk about it more because at the end of the day. I can't I can't talk about it. I'm not allowed to even now saying I really wanted to talk to someone who's very public about this. Because obviously transfers that very very much supportive of it. Like Law Dummy. Eat in the delicate. They're very even when it was happening. They were very supportive. Like to me. publicly privately and they understood it because I had talked about it before. But because people don't know me. I just got scared so that's why I was like. Let me talk to someone unbiased. There's no me yeah I mean honestly like sitting and like talking to you in person I feel like may feelings on your coming out a softening a little bit like I'm like I'm like it's genuine coming from you. It's different talking. Someone in person in person so maybe you can even be real even on the car right here like my fiance was like. Are you going to talk about the video? You don't hurry up and I was like I was like yeah and I'm not going to change my opinion because she's here but talking to you feel like there is a genuine coming from you. Think you and I like I said I would never put him out there because I really. I like love him so much as a friend that I would never like even like two days ago. I was talking to them about it. How I'm like I literally because I had again a traditional boy wig I think it was like And not everyone has the right words to talk about it especially like in the beginning of like discovering maybe who you are Like people think deadlock like the superficial things like I think you guys were hot and like the whig and like 'cause I would agree. That isn't what make you transgender. It is like the feeling of incongruent inside and it ranges for certain people like some people at so bad. That like transitioning is the only thing you can do it. Which was my case. I wouldn't have. I wouldn't be here if I didn't transition. Maybe it's not that extreme for you. Maybe it's just more of an innate feeling and that's okay too well I guess my question is. I felt this way I fell. I feel like I'm in the wrong body. I don't know what that meant as a kid. I didn't think I meant to be a boy as a kid but once I start you know going into school plays where it's again. It's a costume Peter Pan. But I'm like Oh I feel much better like this. I wore the costume to school. I wore the wig school because I feel better like this even now as an adult. I feel better just wearing traditional boys club. Maybe that means crossdressing. Maybe you're a cross dresser I don't know maybe I mean I think it's more of like I think it just ranges I think midas for you was so extreme that I had to transition and yours isn't maybe as extreme because I feel like it was as extremists. Like who like. I don't think you'd even be comfortable wearing like eyelashes right now. Like that's what Trans guys like. They go through. They don't want like anything. They bind their chest. So there's no intimate showing like Wehrley. You know what I mean I get. Yeah what is that? That's why I was like okay. Get that side too. So it's just weird. It's as weird as I'm saying despoil versus Morpheus. What's the difference because I am not? That's a hard one does I had. There's just more Fiat. Which is more of like like? I feel that even post. I don't know what this anymore to be honest but I do feel more like. I've like literally news the whole topic. I literally develop like a eating disorder since the LA. Oh my God I have been really really bad. You talk about this now. I've never talked about it so but that would be I think a former dismore FIA like that's like more body body image and like Wade and like beauty whereas trans is like. It's very hard to explain. But it's more of like an innate feeling of like your role in society like like my role in society was not that of like a boy at all right so it's different whereas like this. Morpheus is like I feel fat even if not really fat like first thing I said to you was like you're so tiny like you're so little and that's why I was like reaction was really yet and believe it at all. Does it trigger? You need to be skinnier like what? I say that we need to keep this down like I need to continue. I don't know what your disorder is but I don't know I mean. Do you want to go deep deep? Yeah let's let's do it because I talk about mine. I have been genius order. I'm very curious about especially since moved L. A. That's the interesting part about your story. Yeah this is kind of. It's kind of new for me. To be honest. I haven't been like officially diagnosed but I've meet like every criteria It's so funny because I remember like in twenty eighteen. I should've deal with Shane. Where talking his disorder and I kind of joked like Oh. Yeah I'm getting you in L. A. But it was not a serious but now like I literally go. Usually I start by awful lot so I'll go twenty four to forty eight hours without eating No say okay. Yeah so a lot of people don't know that Bulimia is defined as Abusing making yourself puke but it also can be defined by abusing Like LAXATIVES. Oh so I've really Chicago without which is really really bad axe. Yeah and like the more extreme because it like you know it. It objectively does like flattening out in like you do lose weight for me but like it's really fucked up and I can leave me even talked about that is it because because you're abusing it because it's you you can go to bathroom fine but you're doing it more out. Yeah it's like all eat and I have really bad self control issues with fields. Like eating entire. It's going to be like Jill like purge and my way of purging. I have no gag reflex but I have but I I take laxatives and it's really fucked up and disgusting and its way T- but it's real and a lot of people. There's been a lot of statistics like a lot of people actually like locks in La and a lot of like CVs isn't after like sold out because there's so many people here. I'm using that way so I mean isn't that just overall does uncommonly happening. Live your life. Aren't you always wanted the pain like whenever I've used them wake up and paying because it's like you know what I mean? How do you I mean for that? What do you how do you? I guess you have to go to see a doctor or something to me and I really showed. This is my first time really even talking about it openly like that does it. Does it bother you or does it? Because I have I my eating disorder to binge eater as I binge in the night I don't Puke it up but I I'll start myself for a few days and then eat a ton you know like all my calories a day so I don't do the purging part But I've never got help for it. I brought to me. I feel it's me. This is what I am. This is how I'm living. Do you feel that way or do you feel like I should probably get helped by could die? I go back and forth like some days. I feel like and that's almost like I'm not saying the case for you because it may not be but for me like that's almost like that is the homeless in my head saying no. This is just part of you. This is what you do this as your process you like Alexa. And then and then you do locks at. And it's like you know what I mean so part of it feels like an integration of who I am and then part of it is like you should probably fix this vetch. You know what I mean. Do you feel you feel pain when wake up. You said like if any of us at home if if you take it and then you take it before about new. Wake up and you have to like. Obviously the bathroom might like it does hurt job. Yeah I that's that's a that's a lot. That's that's honestly. I don't even know what to say. 'cause you've never talked about it and says you come across online like oh she has put together. Now you know like you transition like you know like even the stuff report on. You are very intelligent. Very outspoken. So you're this side of maybe not being so in. Control Lake is shocking. Not sure what to say. And it's part of it is like maybe you can relate because you're uber obviously like Lake there even though you have control over what you pose and your image and like even like pictures and real good over. There is a large aspects of our lives that are not in our control like the way things are perceived transgender like the eighth straight waking up and seeing eight zero h making fun of her students. Pictures like there's a large part that's not in your control so what you can control. Even though it's not really controlled to succumb to illness which is an eating disorder. It you feel like you're in control like even yesterday. Maria sat down to sort of film video and I realized I wasn't passionate about. It are stressing. 'cause rose up. We'll have to go up And then I was like it's okay. I'll just fitness day. Slyke workout like crazy and locks it and then I didn't eat until today like an hour ago and then I came here did you a laxative. Today no no yesterday though because I was like I want to be superfly for TRICIA. Podcast this is the podcast. You don't need to be like just think myself all of it. It's messed up though I mean no I I get it. I'm the same way and people call me all the time like she's basically a starving herself. Those water fasts. I did all video. Yeah we're just drink water and they say it's okay for you. See How do you rationalize and so for me? I'm the same way I do. I actually have anything disorder or is it just like a fat or whatever stay thin or whatever the case is but and then the other thing is like sometimes going back to the this morpheus thing like your body. Image is distorted like the other day. I was like going out to West Hollywood or number and I remember before I left. I was like I feel so fucking like this offense discussing it with that and then I saw pictures and I almost looked like bad based on how thin it looked in the pictures. I'm like Holy Shit. I felt so before I left. And then these pictures which are not like selected angles just like random like and I really what is wrong with you. Can you get acknowledged you? You are thin when you're but when I'm looking in the mirror war like sitting across from someone GonNa feel like a fat fuck. Wow so that. That's that's mypillow morpheus. Because I feel like I have that and then I also have the display area where I was like. This is not the body I meant to be in which is why portray a character and a troll. I mean I don't even know who I am like one of the people ask me. Who was the real trick that the real you want? I don't even know I have no idea. But that's besides the point so I went to 'cause I've always like wanted to meet you and you deal with you I've always liked Gio Like before I was here I want you and stuff And I remember shortly after I met with him and I asked him if I can ask you a question about Tricia and he was like sure and I was. Like how real is she like? What can you do a lot of crazy? But yeah and he was like I would say it's like ninety eight percent real and I was like yeah I was like that's actually really cool because I mean a lot of people aren't the same person in in real life and I think what I say when I speak online is always real. I think there's video and black or I'm a chicken obviously heightened Ed. I used to do a ton of drugs like not just. I mean I used to do like. Pcp fat nausea is like molly everything you could do like you know. I like is to do so many drugs so like a lot of those were drug induced so it was trolling but also yes and a little bit. I don't talk about it too much. It's not like an embarrassment issues. I don't have the right person to talk about being a drug addict. I never really wasn't an addict I just would. It's kind of like an all. See this. Guideline eating disorder. And I'm not the person to be like this is how you Joel. I'm struggling with that and I still do to. With drug is still like relapse. I never really got clean but I guess like I struggle with it but I'm not an addict using every day all I go through weeks of it and then does not do it for months with the same but with eating thing. I'm fascinated by our curious about this because I've always been that way too when you say fasting for or not eating for forty eight hours to me. That's normal but to I go there. I went to an eating disorder therapists. And he's like that's not normal you every day. Even intermittent fasting is considered somewhat of an eating disorder. Now I go to the gym with my restaurant all the time and hope you like. Did you eat today? And I'll be like no because I'm working out today. He's like that's not how you that's not health. That's not being in shape but then it's like you know. Are you going to get help for her? Do you think or you think you've got it under control because you said you have a control right. You're like I can't control a lot of things. I control this so you have it under control. Kinda like a false sense of control though right like I mean if it gets bad enough I probably out for it right now. I feel like I'm part of it. Was I transitioned? Like surgically twenty point seventeen or twenty eighteen. Twenty oh Yeah that's when I got my face on and on and I gained a ton of weight after that. Because I wasn't able to work out because you have like Brussels and I went from like words like that so it hurt like I hear like girlfriend is talking to who had like. We got bigger. I'm like but you don't know about that. Going like the wall to leg lease yeah. I remember G G after her surgery. Same thing she was screaming. Yeah but I gained a lot of weight after that because I wasn't able to work out and I also had just met my fiance. So it's like when you fall in love you'd like start eating among get comfortable and So I gained like twenty or thirty pounds and I remember. I didn't realize again all the way until I saw like Youtube Comments. Sacremento players getting fed getting away like what's happening to black and like it gets in your head so that's why I had your back on the H. thing because I thought a more intelligent video and like a cooler video bed if he would video talking about like why people feel the need face. It's the fact that if you gain or lose a pound suddenly the comments action as you've gained her lost. It's like why don't we address? How toxic it is that you pull people to these impossible standards rather making fun of people fulfilling the need to face. You're right it you know the issue too and I also had issues taking video of me from like vacation at a down angle to like a Glam photo like. There's no yeah that's two different things or he was taking an Akita before her surgery versus Nikita after like a whole other level surgeries. Like or even like it's different like posting just pissed me off. If you'RE GONNA compare at least us one of me before with no makeup in the same to Edano just was like I was where I was and he. He's comedy and like I said I met him in person. He's actually. That's the thing it's like. Some of these people are like so nice and they do it just for attention to rile people up and yes I cannot even tell you. How many has it hasn't been like an extreme? I won't be dramatic but there's been several youtuber that I've met like maybe in my home maybe done events with maybe done like speaking with and like you think everything's cold or super nice like we have to work together and then like you wake up one day and there's like a fucking on you from their account and you're like wait this happen to you a few times. You have not happy. Well I'm a small scale like drama Channel Mad. They talk shit about but not like talking about friends friends and just like cool acquaintances. I don't have any hate videos. I did a little talk. You another Uber came for you. Oh all the time. I mean. They're usually smaller ones. There's no one like super notable. That's on it but it's like you know just people you meet and you're cool with them and then all of a sudden it happens. Is there a is there like what's your I? Guess 'cause I know my my my. Mo was ghosting. People and people love Sanders. Kennedy's to Ponca Nico- so many people are like Tricia such you meet up and didn't so. That's my standard Tricia video. What's your standard Blair? Hey video what do people hate about you? That they're making the video they not hit about. I mean obviously like I do controversial videos like videos. I mean to my subscribers may be even people who know me and like me like it may seem like the most reasonable things in the world that I say but people who disagree. They really fucking disagree. So there's a lot of people like I even had One of the things. I was speaking events so I do speaking events. I've been very lucky around the country doing speaking tours and even just last week one hundred one SCO and it got protested. People came in there screaming on the streets. The police shut it down the venue council on us there was like a little mini riles. Many like it was crazy because your gender or what you say no because I am controversial. I Have Lake right wing opinions and I'm not a liberal. People get really upset about that. Which is crazy because we should have our own opinions and operate to that just like everyone else does but people give route. That's interesting and you're really brave to do that because I Caitlyn Jenner got in trouble for the same thing. She was very wishy against gay marriage. Was that it and everyone was pissed about funny about that. Is that if you actually watch it? 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I didn't know that More so a republican conservative denotes like maybe more of an old school lake religious traditional type of thinking it doesn't really defined who I am but like I do vote Republican. Wow are you socially right or are you politically or socially in the middle? I'm pretty liberal and a lot of issues like obviously and pro-gay Marriage obviously I'm Pro Trans Rights obviously pro women's rights but like fiscally conservative Yeah that's so interesting so I could see why that obviously yeah people give out. Oh my gosh I walk away because because at the end of the day if I was like every other Trans Youtuber I mean I wouldn't stand out but true I just genuinely felt like there was a missing wase. I did that. That's amazing and so what are concert like or what if conservatives and mostly think of you like you go to speaking events are they ever like the people processing. I would assume people because I know I know a lot of conservative people who are v very against just the fact that you're trans in general. Oh Yeah really exists yet. I think things are changing as well especially like in the youngest after the Republican Party. Which a lot of my followers are that. So I'm very intrigued with what's happening next in the party. A lot of them are older. Ones Too It's definitely there like that segment of Lake. We don't trust this bitch. 'cause it's trans like notice that it's because I'll usually think it's a Actually I don't like that but it's different now I feel it's things are changing. Yeah interesting again that you would be so. I'm I never talk about politics religion anymore and I'm definitely not going after this now. We're talking about trans issues again. Like because I get so scared like I said the worst things I say like men are superior to women. I used to be engaged a choice. I used to say the most horrible things and I own up to it and I apologize and it's awful but yeah I say the worst things but when boy anything can tricia paydays I think like I didn't even notice that a lot like I think like glamour and pink and fine and like not taking. Sherzer is linked. It will thank God that must have been like twenty twenty one when I was doing. That's up and like I just wanted to get into. It wasn't even to get noticed community that I did it for money. The first one that went viral was want about men. Yeah I was a hooker. I was literally hooker like literally Santa. Monica Hooker like literally Monica Monica or like no offensive Santa Monica odors. And they don't have access blackbelt my love them. But I was one of those a dirty dirty. Ho and dirty miss something to not have condoms like so. Basically I was taking decorative five dollars so I was like one time I had a video. It was shocking was offensive on CNN. But you made more than five dollars. I made eight thousand dollars off video and I was never made that much. I was living in a car. It was crazy and I was like. Oh this is so then. That's when I was like let me just start saying crazy. Shit the crazy better. So then it started getting really offensive rushing. Why do people think I'm not transcend her like I get it? I get that I used to do that. Shit but it comes but I felt like it's been like you said now you don't think of me like it's been years since I've purposely tried to be offensive so I don't want to offend people and like even with my own opinion. I don't want to offend people. Even the transgender. I'm never in talk about this again because it's so people are going to offend especially lgbtq plus people there like my people like my shows are just that like that would be so stupid. I like trying to offend a whole community and specifically trans like I just have so many friends and I just always have related to that and so I was like. That's just so dumb for me to be like fuck all y'all I'm GonNa Make Fun of you guys like it. Just it just seems so seems so weird so yeah And then I also had said I talked another friend about this like I just wanted to like. Be a part of a group and they're like well you can't just pick transgender with. That's the one I feel most related to do you know what I mean and I guess I just felt like I never fit in anywhere else so with my transgender friend. Always felt like I fit in a little more understood but I don't even put in. Hey guys cubby tried listening to our show on spotify yet if not give it a dry if you have a telephone send them a link to our show on spotify and when you do be sure to follow our show page that way you'll get all new episodes as soon as they come out easy to find right in your library. Download the spotify APP free now simply search our show to start listening. Are you friends with any transgender? Social Media influencers. Or the all like ooh player. Oh what's interesting? A lot of them are scared to say they're like funds publicly okay or that they liked me publicly would rather like like we mentioned. Carmen career or like me. Follow her but she would never. I feel like talking about like I like where you're really I've met gee-gee and she's been very nice person. Okay very very nice. But I know she'd never follow me and everything but look like a know it. Yeah is it. Because they don't like your their competition like no. I think it's because they don't really get the Republican thing and they don't really get. I'm like the black sheep of the community. That's what I always say that And I you know I'm not friends with a lot of influences. To begin with to be honest I don't trust you but you were. You were in a group with like you have Jacqueline Glenn Ligon. We're in the group for a minute like you were kind of in that group known in the museum we videos with no no always hated on Jacqueline. Like flew up there one time now to someone else. Okay not no. I didn't fly up with DOCUMENTA sheets cloud with him and you like chocolate a lot and so there's a few people in the industry that I work for the most part. I really liked not my house. I don't trust anyone like I said there's been people that are nicer may face and then there's a video just because they want to give you. Who is the s? Can you say or no I wanNA know who did I hate? Mitigating shock wasn't another transgender This will be the most clout who's ever gone in. There was one person who I'm at a bitcoin. Or whatever and like he was very very cool calling off my friend Jane back and forth Blah Blah Blah and then one day like I think I like denied him a collaborative something because you started making really weird content and images. Just what was his video? I never even watched it but it was like Blair. Why the face of the fakes was the title of acts. I even know it was like a big livestream for like hours of him. Talking about how lake. I don't really hold my opinions. I stayed for cloud which is like no I really do. Who My opinion like this weird thing new accuser monarch and then like Disag- random jet. People are just like crazy. I don't trust Youtube you tumors. You shouldn't trust you. I trust some. They're some one hundred Shane Now going on a million though he has also thirsty and like drag you for a second of a view it. Just you know what? Yeah I like that. Frankly I was friends with for a long time like they were all youtubers and I trusted them completely. Like as if they're my family like yeah. I guess you're right. Youtubers are are genuine generally fake. And we're talking about this like they're very flaky. Sounds like you are on it. I sent you a damn and it was like boom right away and then boom confirming and I was like damn you were on it like people do not come to ways. I love it I love it runs team. I used to be like that young so the fact that you're still on time and able to do the impressive but I was here twenty minutes early. We just drove around Klay. DidN'T WANNA like we're always ready. I think this is so crazy. So all right so a lot of people don't necessarily want associate with you because just I feel like because you are so outspoken stupid. And that's because when they hold my opinions and they'll DM means secret like like. Ooh One of them's Kin Patrocinio. Not Issues like transgender singer with her. Yeah I was the biggest fan of her for so long. I would literally be in luxury and people will be like. Who's one of your favorite singers? And she wasn't may top top what I wanted to support her. Because she's a trans growing. Just doing it so I was like competitor grocery music by chance. Yeah Oh shut right now. She's transfer she. Yeah but she's transitioned like I knew about her lake ten years ago because she transition thirteen she was like one of the first like Trans people out there and then she came back later with like a music career but regardless loudly supported her. Because that's really cool like Trans pop star like. That's not going to happen every day. So I literally direct my followers to buy her music so like likely like literally money in your pocket. Yeah and then she Demi one day and she was like I want to let you know that I really like you. I think you really cool and I think that's so sweet so I posted Aspirin and then I posted. Gmo's I can. I show people interaction because they're going to live so I put it on my story and then And then people started dragging her for being my friend and then she came to it and she posted on twitter. She was like Buck Blair White House like imagining being so fake that you. Gm someone that you love them and then because some people don't want you to let me fuck where like fuck fat. That's weird because I've had it happen where someone will delete it like Alex Bregman. Who is that? He's like? I love this. He tweeted Music like this is so what I was so excited. And then he deleted it within five minutes and yet he got dragged her but he didn't if he would have been like oh shit like Nah different level. It's one thing. Delete delete because you're getting the one eighty and I was like so disgusting. I can't even listen to her anymore. That's so sad I know and we know what I think. It's because when I came into doing youtube I like assumed everyone was super nice because the issue ever met with Shane. Yeah and he's so nice and he flew in La. When I had sixty thousand dollars I was literally no money when you about you. He just found me. I guess I don't know but he on it. Yeah he was like. I think you're really cool. Come to L. A. and I had never been to. La Never on a plane. Wow Yeah fold were you. I was twenty one twenty two twenty three and he flew out here. Yeah sixty thousand followers like. No one knew me how controversial took a chance with that. Yeah he liked original. He doesn't shy away from that. Yeah people he's not he doesn't he's never judge me he's never he's never not supported me. Because of my scandals you may not agree with it. But he doesn't he doesn't like but he's not a competitor. She was going to succumb and say where water fluctuation. That's like so. Yeah it's like if someone genuinely shows you love your show back like don't be standby is the exact I mean. They're even during entering. The Jeffery even set like Bates said are you sure. You WANNA keep the name. Trish on your pal and like yeah like you know so. They've been really. I mean when you know someone to heart. They shouldn't be and with Kim Petra. I know she was. She outspoken about being trans. Does she talk about it? Not Super Often. Does it make her main thing but like do you think it's no no? It's like a public like known thing. Wow I'm just trying to grasp why would you ask me? And he doesn't WanNa be like association. Want people to know transmitter. She talked about it no. It's the Republican thing. It's like automatically some. It's like a people. Just see a label on there like that means bad person so that means attack you for knowing them and then that means okay. I'll go back and say fuck way it's like. Ooh that are growing up now. I thought I was controversial. Like this is going to be the reality of especially in La. And I WANNA be. That's why I stopped talking about anything like religion but it's good. I respect you for that like I think that's cool. I wish I could give my opinions more. But I'm I'm scared because that's what you get scared like your safety. Only one is instances like like I mentioned earlier. I did my Or tried to do it. 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DOT COM and hey New Yorkers if you're listening you can get the Internet's fever sheets and more in real life visit Brooklyn's first tour in Brooklyn at one to seven can't avenue in Williamsburg Brooklyn and everything needs of your most comfortable life. So your fiance's here Joey. He's in your blogs ally or in your videos lot you as met. This is known how you were met. Hi Guys Matt Chocolate. I think talking about once or twice. Maybe what he was a fan you as a fan who do that but they work works and honestly I would hesitate a fan. I don't I mean I have up hitter. I mean Yeah I've actually there's been a few people who like whatever in reverse data people I was a fan of and I think it totally works. Because you're you're already liking that person and you're like you said. The Personality Adores. Us already feel incompetent. You're like Oh they liked me. So that's good and I think it's maybe it's like the Youtuber narcissist thing but someone who like knows your portfolio and loves you and worship G Alexa. That's nice yeah. I think that's amazing. And so you were obviously open about being transferred getting it on Youtube. So he watch your videos knowing transaction you'd have to have the conversation no-no and he has been transformed before so it made all the sense in the world so okay and here. Here's this other thing. This might be a little like maybe your controversial but just do it. Okay I love you. You're GONNA have anything ignorant for me wrong. So here's the thing that I get conflicted with because I have been with a number of Trans Women. People can ask him a lot. A few dozen is that a lot. I don't know maybe it's definitely more than Joey. Okay well so is it. Is it a preference and my Hetero and gay or as a Fetish? Would you ever date? You would've been romantic with them. I never have but I don't know maybe I think we were both self conscious. Maybe I think I was not about. I think we'd both be self conscious because I don't think we've ever yeah. It might be a but this is bad. I mean for me I always defined because there are a lot of people who have like the tranny chasing fish. That's like a big thing especially for men you don't hear about as often women which I think is clear talking about right I always say like it's a fetish like with like fuck tranny. And you like love fucking drains. But you would never do one okay. So it doesn't sound like you would never do it but maybe you have like reservation. I would totally when I think about the ones. There's chew specifically. I definitely was friends with that but I would any famous No they're not there and I would go on this sound so bad to see I wanna get so much shame because people are like you when you know when Geico anyone who will drag you like when people say they're not racist was like I'm not transphobic Blair's I wanted to because I feel like the only making these questions and stuff if I said this on my youtube I get dragged would be like fuck you for but if I'm asking and I truly am asking some genuinely I've always been confused. I guess I don't know I mean sexuality is all over the place But with I would. Oh so I'd go on Zapping so gay guys. James Charles got dragged for saying he likes to date straight man that he hits on Street Matt and stuff like that every gay guys exactly and when I say I love game out when people kind of dragged me the same way so I guess I'll go on Grindr and I used to get like dragged by my gay friends because they were like well. You can't go on Grindr 'cause you know you can look for Trans on Grindr and so I would look and they would drag me for being not a gay man on a little Hetero phobic. I don't know if that's the word for that but like why can't Hetero person and look for a transplant on Grindr. 'cause that's a yeah. I especially I mean. I didn't know this. Someone told me recently was granted. There is like a transaction. So if you're someone who's attracted to them and you WANNA find them or they're in they're logged on girl then and I guess I gotta here's the other thing is like I don't know I don't even know you asked me if I would date someone like yeah. I guess I would date anybody. I just weird that. I'm going to look for this like why am I think so? Everyone knows what they're attracted to. They're not maybe they don't. I don't know but a lot of people like you know you're talking to them so like who cares. Yeah I think people will put a lot of like wait on like when it comes like trans and sex and dating so joey gets bombarded with questions like like. It's almost like insane like are you gay. Like is Blair manner you gave you suck Dick so just like a bunch of people. Don't understand those gray areas when it comes to this right not. Everything is so neatly put into like boom boom boom right. Yeah that's I feel like I don't know I just feel very. I don't. I don't know for me when I'm with a trance. I don't consider myself had are gay. Just like human fucking of human as I feel. I know because who cares. It's like it's more to me. I just get more excited more turned on. I just like seeing everything I love like. Obviously a lot of people talk about my me having boobs so I can't be transgender. I love boobs but a lot of big boobs right. And so when I'm with a transfer I can see the boobs and about how to get to be penetrated all really good. Do you know what I mean. Joe Is loving this competition. Look different every guy who's ever described to me the guy proven. I'm officially transgender. Have you ever been with a girl? Have you ever been with a female now? It's funny though it's so weird. I was never talked with a woman until I transitioned transition. I don't if it was like gaining more like an appreciation for like the female forum when you're trying to attain it which was my case or if it was like the hormones or as he can whatever girl but it happened and so like. I don't know if I can like really like that like that. But I'm like more attractive to women sometimes immensely equipment or kind of gross. The are and it's you're not you're not alone in that because people would say that about me like tragic girl transitions to be with guys but but look at Ye. Yes and then. She found her life. Which was your sexuality is different than entity. Basically that's one of the backers and that's what Dr Mike set to because he actually he got. He deleted his photos with me because he got so much. Eight for defending me. Dan By your tweets. Your if you put me or in a picture or tweet just never get kept up or I know instantly. I'm going to get it taken. W You know where. You're like this person's to wholesome thousand percent want anyone holds them with anything to do with me. I'm like are you sure like I had Kaleen on here recently? Are you sure because he is? He's been my friend forever but we don't generally film and she's like yeah she's another one who's very thick. I don't care which I like. I there's youtubers I trust in like. They don't care because I am controversial and I think you get that over time but in a long time ago to me All of a sudden now which is like instagram. All of a sudden it got like more notifications have ever had in my life and I was like what's up and and looking like she imposed a picture with me and all conference for so mean and they got so sad like all the comments. Were like your friend of this person. But didn't that person fucker dog they mistake me for the girl who fought her a youtube and she talked about it yes she was talking about like fucking dog. No either way I know you do they all around. She's around cancel me transgender. People walking their dogs people who bet you fucked dog and I was like turn my phone up. I was like I don't think you. Never WanNa WanNa talk to me. It was the funniest thing of all the things you can get. This is this research when using the podcast it was no. It was after that but it with a while ago. Your biggest hate comment. Was they hear that girl? Fuck Fuck I was. I thought I was the lead with care of that person because he has so much shit that about him over the years he's like. Oh that's crazy. Wow that's interesting. Did you ever do? Have Dogs know what my title? I don't look at the title of this video. Does she. Finding Blair White Bucks. Plus we all get P Z. She Barikot she'd probably be like noisy. I have a little Pomeranian. What is it on your videos? It ever see the dog. No because I get dragged when I post are because we were with animal abuses but it's like it's Vegan pet dog. It's not like I'm using like some weird ship from Wright Edelman. My friend was here and he had a blue and I'm came for him now. Like how dare he died? Ignorant about because it's more popular thing in Asia people like loves specialty grooming for dogs. They put them all conjugates colors and cuts and so we took her Chilean Asian grooming place. And they're like we can do our Ping like definitely do her fucking. Yeah so ever since we just like you think oh my gosh she big Pomeroy Palmer. I love Pomeranian picture. She's been trying to get me in palm and ended up being a mix and it turned out to be huge. The American Eskimo Palm. It's like the big dog ever. And then what's the breed of the dog? You have now seem mucky he's palm and he's Pomeranian an American Eskimo. Oh my God i Love Palm you so I think they're just so cute. All FLUFFY AND LOSES. Maybe we people pom Pom Cheap. She so she's Pomeranian and Chihuahua. Little Mix this O Q. Oh my gosh picture of that. So cute mixed pomeranians kind of scare me a little bit. 'cause mine's mix and it's like so scary there like a different. They're kind of like monster like they kind of bite a lot. Does yours bite no especially to wall. I heard trawlers. I've means you know she's like the best but he ever. I would like I would die if my dog I'd really. How long have you had her for two years? She was like she's like my child. I would literally die if she died. Oh well hopefully diet and I feel like they don't last very long I don't fuck dog. She's a girl that girl that is that's GonNa be your trailer very weird turn anyway like there's just so many questions about woman. Pass the dog fucking because we don't want to get to cancel but what people don't understand is like and I don't want to give away like the youtubers secret but when you're tweeting out how much you hate us and you link to one of our videos couldn't either homo. It's like all these other businesses. Pay All this money in like advertising. All you have to say something a little uncouth and then thousands of people are tweeting. The video like fuck. Yes at the secret. I'm telling you even with my my boobs so I mean my tits are very weird weird scars and like one nip up and when it goes viral on twitter. Every time I like fucking disgusting share it and I got like eight million re tweets in that month. I remember I made like a eight hundred thousand dollars or something like that off of like one thing and I was like that was from your only fan. Yeah this was. Patriots was a different one. Yeah and it was because at that time I was just. I was just showing my tits and discussing the Promo video. They were sharing dot com on it so it was so insane and I was like that was gray and honestly I keep doing weird shit just for that reason but the trick and for me. It's last weird jet like I don't do anything like that in a few years you will be. I'm not transgender. Oh the transition videos yeah. I interviewed one for my channel recently. Oh Yeah how did it go? What was good. She she She transitioned like fifteen or something and would off thrown grew a beard. Her voice went like really really deeply rooted and now she's going back because she's like fuck. That was a mistake which is so crazy. And that's why also one of my other lake controversial opinions is like. I don't feel like a little kid should be taking hormones because like you never know when you're that young. Yeah like sometimes you do like the competitors are success stories but then you have people like the one I interviewed. And she liked transitioned at fourteen or fifteen and now she's nineteen being like. I messed up my life. Why is it controversial though like you can't that's what I mean? It's common sense but to radicals and people who are super crazy. It's the craziest thing ever heard like what you don't think kids transition on like no. Yeah Wow I was. I'm I'm actually changed and I wasn't ready at thirteen joking out there so much confusion at that age. I mean not competing but like you're you know people don't know an email I'll say it. Being gender is confusing. We're GonNa make this whole talk of like you not knowing if that was the right label and like how to feel about it and like for me. I had to like figure out like am. I just a feminine boy. Where am I meant to be true? It is confusing so shit. You expect like a thirteen year old. The habit figuring out and then make life changing yet. Can you can't even do. I had a really uneven breasts. My head like an A. Cup in a D Cup when I was like twelve and I really wanted to get the surgery looked crazy like I literally looked as formed shirts and stuff like that out and know doctors would do it like you had to wait like seventeen even with my mom permission like no doctors would do it. I think they do know jobs if you need it. 'cause I had like a nose job when I was like really young but I was a dog. That was different thing. I feel like reconstructive stuff. You need like let me do a boob so to let someone to hormones. That's like am. I grow a beard and like Oh grow boobs if you're male or female like that's crazy. Yadda was bigger than the other ones too. I think it's because I'm right handed and I have like more muscle a huge. I just not really my kind I I really. I think it's because I had so much tissue before they look more natural. I like the round walk because they're like fake as fuck from Mike and Nothing No. I looked really fake boobs. I think they look great when they're up high ones bigger though This one yeah. I think I'm right handed so I think it's like more muscle and the muscle. How long have you had them for for two and a half years? Something waiting there really hard. You want them to draw. No I want this a little bit. They're really high. They're like you're gonNA drop after two and a half year. They drop in like six months to years. Probably because you were so you were completely flat right at ticket like you. Were not wall really. Yeah I think that's why I think those look nice but I like them. I like They're good they're nice and like mine falls. Yeah and I lift. I thought like three list. They don't stay up your lucky. Yeah but see. This is another reason. I just feel like transmitted like more perfect bodies. That female like really weren't females. Yeah so I'm so bad with the I duNNo. Go BY ANYTHING. You could share. Call me man. I don't know Ja there's like you know there's a certain like thing to be said for if you start a stick or something you cannot onto any mold but you know but you haven't had any have you hips her or anything I want to know I like that too because I do like like women with hips but I like your body. Your body is very him but even you are very young blessed by the way I when I walked up. I thought you were going to be taller. I thought you're going to be sure and like your body is very nice like your body's very late like hourglass like it's like amazing. I'm just a little weird today. Usually a little more like Cuba punk rock face at the moment something. I'm not sure and you're MC Arbia which is like. That was my childhood. So like I was like I'm ready to cut my hair short like his black red hair lower and platinum. No I wanted to short platinum shorthair. I'm like I know this is where I'm talking. I really do. I like to look more than maybe. That's I don't know what that is but I mean it's just you and like maybe you don't even have to like wha career word for home. I'm so tired of boobs like me. I've been fucking boobs this whole time. Cy fucking boobs with like. I needed a reduction him. Hell No. Because here's the thing I do. Consider like my look performance right like you know. This is like a character right like when I go on Youtube. It's a character like if I have a hair makeup done. I have a different personality. People say it all the time as opposed to just me me me at home is different. Like so different. You know what I mean even now like without. Harrison's I'm like oh I can be a little more myself which is why I didn't do. My hair extensions for this because I felt like I just wanted to talk to someone that may get it even. If you don't really know ethical will kind of understand I go in reverse but like I get it? And that's the thing I'm not with any female to male transgender which I maybe should but like all my friends are female or male to female and so they just get it more. But I don't know so that's why was let me just. I was so desperate to talk someone who understand that the you know what I mean like. Let me do this on the podcast and I just wanted someone like bias. No me per se now like I thought it was interesting just to hear your story and that you are which I didn't know this as much about you. I thought maybe I guess I just because I saw videos of the UN Jacqueline going out asking people which one is a damn go? Oh my God so it was worth it because look I'll like a million views but it was like worth it in the sense that we did it in summer and it was like a million degrees sweating and like you don't WanNa be the one they pick so it was about it was about fifty fifty did a bug. You didn't bother you did. They didn't bother her because she's a woman women so she's like. I don't care thinking I'm like I'm born a woman like doesn't mean a different but for me when they picked me I'd be like thinking and it was like a million agrees or walk around and I was like three times like I'm ready to go home like okay so does bother you then like if someone's like oh man we'll get because it doesn't have is like if you're going like on the street and doing a video and the people it's a different thing right whereas I live my life. Everything's normal. That was like setting up like an extreme scenario for video right. Oh my God well. I mean my video. What comes from a point to Guam bumble and stuff like that. Oh Oh what. Oh no different nine. There's someone I I thought we had the same you're engaged. I thought we had the same bumble person for a minute. This is someone else I'm thinking of. It's not just got totally like wait. It's she transferred. Okay thinking you know when I'm bumble. This is where like the ignorant. Pardon my video went around bumble so many guys the first thing they'll ask me is like you're not a dude argue like that's the very first thing I think. Maybe like a trans woman. Yes because what they'll tell me they'll continue in person that's rate clearly. Say I'm not a natural born female. They'll be like Oh 'cause you just can't tell anymore and that's the thing in L. A. Like I feel like it's the people are so like all trans. Women are so passable. Like no one clocks. Do you ever get clocked ever do you ever does anyone ever come up to you and harass you pour it like on the data? No no the only time it ever happened was when I was living in Michigan before a youtube. And before I transitioned it was like an in between phase where else I kind of presenting in a certain way but it didn't nor hormones. No surgery and nothing was working retail and this ghetto ass bitch. She was doing from the store. And I don't know why. How like the balls no fun? You confront her and say stop stealing because she coming over time often used up stealing and she's like that's a and she said like the n word like a mantra. That's actually been a man though. Is that only for a man? She said that's a it will usually people use the slang. Like the n word that's like. That's a dude on. Yeah so that happened not one time. I don't know any of that stuff. Okay maybe I have a guy that calls me due to all the time he's like dude. What are you talking about? So maybe something like that. I remember all my co workers like. I'm so sorry I was like whatever but then I moved from Michigan so so here I mean in person. You are just like stunning but I again I always think you're just perfectly like transistors. Perfect you know what I mean. I don't know that battle with everybody in the one. But you're not gonNA event a whole community out there. They construct something not. I'm telling you when I look at like you and they're just so beautiful like lodge. I mean like I'm going to here. There's a doctor named Dr Sinclair who all the transcripts or show. I Love Him. I wonder consultation. Only can you just give law demme's body like she's soaked? Everything's just everything is perfect. No no no. Foreign female are naturally born female. Like looks like that. You know when I see like biological women who do have like like really really curry and like really make. I think they're like journalism. But there's like a thousand. I think that's why I get it so much and I don't get offended. The only reason get offended is because I feel female males. I get a little offended because I'm like well actually I am but like I'm not. Do you know what I mean if I did the transgender videos like this is so dumb. Like for people to think. I'm trolling any guy I want to date is gonNA look that up and be like Oh. She's a male to female like they're gonNA think female you know what I mean. Yeah so I was like why would I put that? I don't know be Mike. Dial is still up. I'm transgender. So they're going to be like oh she's male to female trans job. That would be my if you wear. That'd be my first. Yeah while famous shit though not anymore. Can you do have a question? I'm always so interesting. Because like Edgy Youtube. Obviously I don't have like ten million subscribers like you guys like. Are you able to go like if you WANNA? If after this I was like come to the club with me. Can you go to a club without people really like her on? What's it like? You can't go but can you. I don't think you could either you can. I mean I can go. I mean people come up as a gay people come up but it's not to the point where I'm like suffocated owner suffocated. When I go out I see like yeah everywhere. We go definitely. There's definitely like maybe a handful of people that come up. It's definitely not like suffocating. I would say yeah West. Hollywood gay area definitely is. I love going there to show off because I yawn. 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Everyone's coming because I could cry. I Love Brittany. There was two separate divisions of my life. It's like as a kid. It was like Britney Spears like I grew up in it was like people magazine Brittany industrial the show and then once they hit like thirteen fourteen. It was like a Gaga has everything I love Gaga as still up Brittany but like Britney hold such a place in my heart and the Holford anything like so tragic like and you don't know exactly how much of it destroyed much isn't but there's nothing you know his true that it's like grow. I know I know things you can never talk about it like you know behind the kill talking about it. Sometimes because that that's how crazy and hardcore it is and I know you told me after the bottom. Yeah I can tell you own. Maybe I get bogged. You don't have to tell me. Every young people listen everywhere even heard. There's everyone listening to it's like so it's also scary and conspiracy theorist but it's like it's real man it's a real thing and it's very God. I'm so sorry. No it was not a church stop. I'm so sorry it's gender neutral use. I was like dude like that's what I was saying. Okay Oh my God I have. A friend called me due to cancel. I can't up one of those people that go back into a video you can. You call me kicked me again. That's the bucks dot com projecting. Sorry know it's it's real. What are we talking about bringing bugged to? That's real. That is actually really not because like so I got inside. People know where I let people come to the front people drive out. It wouldn't take much and you don't WanNa say wouldn't take much for like someone to find out which apartment I've been in the building and then put something put a camera like. Oh it's easier than that. They can bug your car easily like you know so like even like like outside the in your complex. That's why I moved on my complex. Bugs like he was so scary. Oh Yeah Makarios booked for years and I didn't WanNa Bucko There was a thing with a guy like I never talked about this either but there was something like a politician that like. I was like dating briefly here. He's a California politician. Not like a big enough trump or something like that. You fucked trump too shabby all the way I would probably honestly I mean. I don't know anything. I don't know anything about politics so I don't know about them. Does he like Maryland? Ask you know what I mean. You have a little scandal. Hits your biggest scandal that you've been in my biggest people who say to block face with dark makeup. No not even make up it. Was You know the boss? Your face masks from Sephora. Oh my God these people tweet the picture on there like Oh Blairite musician. I'm like Oh my God psycho people say that about me my videos I see so tan and I have like the tennis and like your remember that era. Yeah I love. I still love Tampa. It's awful for you but Kathy will say crazy shit that you spray foam yes. It's coming off now but I actually embracing illness to now. Like I'm saying I go. I maybe I just have like during the mcaa vibe literally just meet you know He. He thought he was transgender. To did you ever read about that. But doesn't surprise me. A lot of these like rockers. Especially from that era. It's like they have like feminine haircuts. They're kind of feminine away their voice as and they were like this is the pays me. Well he actually thought he was. When I was a kid. Everyone said he was a girl he goes so for me. I was wrong he goes. I literally thought I was for a very long time. And he never really been talking about he just recently. I didn't know that either and I was like this is why Phil Can. Actually he'd literally transgender. I remember growing up and like I used to be a fan. I mean it's still NFL. Star I remember seeing mice based like feels like a whole different era the whole different world like different universe but I remember being like someday he's GonNa Transition. I remember saying that you're saying keep like hot considered it when he was younger. Yeah he's clearly going to write and I respect that I respect people who like let themselves be feminine or Masculine Women. Without having to feel the need to transition to right. Well I guess that's where it confuses me when is it considered trans like why we're so many straight people or gay people offended when it wasn't even about their culture or their people get. Trans people being offended but the funny thing is not very many people were there was a couple Trans youtubers. I came from but you didn't even. I didn't come for you very hard. I would just more so it was more so like a like A. I don't get it and more so like I like her but I don't get this type of thing like you can watch it. Wasn't that bad. You have to allow enough room in your mind for the possibility that maybe it is really how they're feeling right. He's not really. And then you're an asshole if you do come at them and she's not actual. Yeah and I feel like there's no way to convince you only know obviously people in my life like even wanted you to call me. I was like I was balling. I'm like I don't know like this was maybe mistake but this is how I feel. I don't know does you saw you feel things getting out getting money. And she's like she's like no she does. She does youtube but she doesn't do like she used to. I think just like one every couple and she doesn't she's not I wouldn't either if I I would. I would for fine. I wouldn't grind like Ryan. Yeah Oh yeah. We're like on all the time. Erlich pay Nina Video Anita well. She's not. I never really considered her too much of a trans activist. I mean I guess I guess she is. She doesn't talk about it a lot more. So just like socialite right like when I met her like we I went to. I was Jaclyn actually and we went to her table at the Abbey or something and like she was like dancing on the people like Paris. Hilton thing. Yeah okay so that's because I never. I don't know what activists conflict I don't know all that is. I feel like in Africa. Someone who tries to change things right and bring awareness to certain things and I feel like she doesn't. I'm anxious. I don't know I'm so bad I love. Gd I know she's like icon Erica. She was one of the first youtubers to trout. I watched her before I like. I remember watching. Her transition in her movie came out after a transition but before that I watch videos so she's one of the lake the Trans. Oh Yeah Oh my God. It wasn't that I mean I remember your maybe you remember. Do you remember like I really like your like Greg and so when that happened. What was shook? That's what I'm saying like nothing surprised me you know. Now I feel like it's so easy easy but it's a lot easier for people to come out. 'cause it's I mean. Some people can sit like accuse me of drain because it was tricky. Because it's trying to eat but I'm like a lot of people are talking about it more than anything. I think it had a discussion about it. I think a lot more people bringing awareness to transgender. And you know what I will say. I don't feel bad for making video. Kept it up. Because so many people came to me and said they felt some more ways and had some more stories. I was like okay. Well at least opening dialogue of gender fluidity and stuff like that I don't really consider myself gender fluid but that's a different thing. Now I think in your case is more like I said earlier. Not TO REHASH. But it's more of just like it's an ranges like mine was about transition then girls is like it's there but it's not like Shit. I have to go into US. Astronaut Condition Right now. We'll yeah that's like what was it. Like girlfriend. Said he like makes people transition because his his girlfriend transition did not like going by name and stuff. Like will the child's going to prison though? Actually I don't I'm I don't really understand what he did. That was illegal. He moved an underage girl into his home Who was having family issues and then had sex with her underage the second she turned eighteen. He groomed her from the age of fifteen eighteen. And then the second year in the house right. I have never talked with us because like too much like I. I watched it. And he's like a relevant. He's he's relevant but in a bad way. You know what I mean like. I'm just like the hoping he scares me. I don't think I've ever been scared of somebody like scares me. I don't know we never knew my win But Jacqueline Glenn She j- you know her. She hated me at the beginning of my omega. Because she's like atheists and used to make a lot of Christian content. Yeah she came from me. I feel like she controls. Do I mean I like her now? She knows the game. Yeah her a little expert from that doesn't like a native American. He said I was his dream girl like a couple of years ago and it was me dressed as Gerard Way and I was like oh it's social repose. He's like my dream girl and it was like Nina suit and tie with my thank. You cheated on her awful. Wait really you know any of this. I knew he lived in like bump up Virginia and she lived there with him and I was like. Oh a weird fucking scenario. When I met her they were dating and I saw him like in full costume. Bitcoin and I was like. That's Oh lucky hot. No I think he's not as we have different things. I like everything to be honest. I've dogs do dogs have brains. My first nobody. I literally said dogs don't have raised up and then I was like drawing. I was on drugs on that one. You GET PEOPLE'S. Opiates PEOPLE'S ARE SMALLS. So like you genuinely while you're filming it. Didn't they had brains? Yeah Oh yeah it's crazy and I think that came from some truth on that one because I actually hated because like a dog Renault's off. I think we're talking about like two hours ago. Not even ever artists. I love it. I love you good talker. You know interesting also because we haven't really but before so this is all very exciting to me like it's only matter of time like it'll happen. That's funny yeah. I was actually like nervous because like I said I didn't watch videos. I was just like okay but Live la now now the only refund you have Jacqueline. Are you still friends? Not only her. But it's problematic to get her on here. She seems very products. Because you know she has strong opinions. Should we both came up nuts. For Genre of opinion commentary insulting also problematic and relationships. I feel like relationships are just up and down. She had that toby and then now the native American she always having problems with boys that yeah I only when I met her. She was dating that happened. But she's happily engaged now. Which is a singer songwriter? Just an odd duo together. We don't make sense on the surface but like kind of like I feel like you and I make sense on the surface but actually does make a lot just cancelled every yup. I remind about them. I feel like Yeah I. That's what I saw the video. I was also like we thought we were cool again. I didn't watch the videos. I didn't know what I was like. I did on me because when you hear such by top and I was like wait. I thought she went like whatever happens there. That's the thing with this. Podcast I get really bullied guests bucket. They just think I've been 'cause I'm not bald. Usually I don't like rejection so I'm like you know what I've just everybody. I'm just like whatever I want on. I'm GonNa ask you know. I love podcast one but they give me some guests sometimes. I'm like you've only got so I had all of them. I booked all of them except for psychics. Which haven't been out yet but I all of them twins No there's a second on e. homeadvisor you watch is the The one who does the celebrity ones. Yeah uh-huh fake. I know. Well I don't believe in nature It was weird. 'cause like yes and no. I feel like Psycho Kim crash when Your Dad Diet? It's like yeah that's the most famous I. Yeah he talks the deputy. He's not so much he's in the future medium a medium. Yeah that's IT and so I don't really have anyone close to me. That dies was kind of hard to tell if it was real or not he. He had said something that was the whole thing is. There's a lot of guys you know. I don't know if I believe in it either. Are you religious? No I've never been religious like the whole that's why it's funny and Brunswick chocolate roll thing is talking about religion. But like I grew up like my family took charge a little we when I was a kid but then eventually I told them like this is fucked up though I tell me about. Helen's that's scary okay. Don't go anymore. Which is cool because some parents church but for me it just never irrelevant part of my life so sometimes when. I hear people talking about it a lot. I just can't relate to it but I respect people's religious beliefs or lack of beliefs. I think everyone has their own thing with that. Mine is just like remove like I have no idea about it okay. So you don't have opinion because you're a Christian. Yes I am Kaplan. Yeah Yeah I'm nervous about. It's like everyone has a different. Yeah that's what I always thought when when Jacqueline McFadden upbringing anyone or make about the again about. I'm like why hasn't it bother them so much? It doesn't bother me that doesn't believe in God. I'm like all right. How Fun rotten a boxer lots of your life? I'm going to have in like I know like it doesn't bother me. Stood by that bothers people so much rubs EON was another one. That was like very a hemingway's. What drives you to make you feel like well. How do you topic like your topics are so random? Sometimes and I'm like how do you do you? Just look at the news. Google no for me. I'm very in tune with what might have puerto talking about like I come from a very like the way I came up with like political and social commentary which like that whole world is like many people. Don't know but it's a very robust and it's very like by the minute like breaking news and opinions and thoughts in whatever and so for me. I just very in tune with what supported a talking about so there's a viral story about like a trans kid thing going around whatever like that makes sense to do a video about or if people are noticing a higher percentage of messages like when you came out of gender all of a sudden my DM's because people want to message the first transfer and they can think of and for my supporters. I'm not there like are you going back to justify it. Sounds like it on your page and I was like but it made the perfect sensitivity about it. The nikes oriels thing too. Yeah what do you think about that? What's your thoughts any thoughts or is it kind of underwhelming like okay. You really know I thought dot lake. It was really cool to see like a person who has like dominated in their industry. Who BEING TRANS. Wasn't part of the marketing plan and their career. I can't even say that because being translated big part of what I make a living so I thought it was really cool And Yeah I just like the water. I never really thought she was trans. I remember looking at like some pictures and being like she. Kinda looks transworld. Say No but I never really thought. Yeah no what for me. I always thought it was interesting. Because sheds come out within being threatened. But like let's say someone come out and be like Nikki Tourelles as let's say someone say that about me like who is people are not gonna believe them right like so why. I don't think anyone would have believed it but I think the fact that it came from her. But I'm saying yes she's like. Well I'm doing this because someone's GonNa threatened to do this. Yeah so where did that come from? I was just like well. Someone threatens to if someone said to be threatened to say like I have. I have secrets and someone like no one's GonNa believe you anyway because I've had people threaten it and I'm like well known to believe it like the stuff that they would. You know what I was like. It's Kinda Weird. I don't know I don't know I support her though I think she's she's cool. I don't know anything about her but I I'm also this like an okay ish. She was born male female. Yeah transition like really young and like I thought she was coming from a Gig from it. I'm against you. Transgender male. Thought was like another one saying I did not think it was and I was confused with. I watch it a little bit and then I was like we. I didn't think he'd argumentation. I thought she was like announcing out too and I was like. I literally thought like okay. This is the title of the exact same to you. I'M GONNA put deer Nikki just getting backlash. For how come you see her? She was super woke us. She like had bike transition. She showed it. Oh I guess she didn't I mean how do you have that proof getting? I don't know if you're GONNA come from TRICIA accolade pending much support this Lan and but did she show like nothing matters. What did she show before pictures? Like I know some people are just taking Howard but if you really go back and look at her first few videos just as someone who like no she really is trans? You can see on France. Oh please you can tell us at the beginning. Like what is she? But she didn't young but you can come to see you like the process and she got more and more feminine Zegers interesting. You always carousel kind of gets. He had very pretty thanks. Everybody I like her again please. I admit that I'm ignorant. I'm talking I'm old like I feel like I can get away with house to be okay though if this is such a topic. That's so like complicated. And it's also like this is going to be such a mainstream topic and everyone has an opinion everyone nauseam opinion and this state things the right way the right way right terrorist like just be real about it. And that's why I think that's a lot of guys over like fifty like they'll use the word training. There was a guy returning Arctic. Why wouldn't you call them? And I get it for sure but also when you're like from a different era any people drag me for it but I'm like how you gonNa tell them. Do Tell Bobby with want to use it. And we're at the same thing and also like I don't know I just like if you would've brought like certain other trans people on here names. It would have been them like preaching you know what I mean. It would have been being mean to you about it. Like don't say that right like and that's like the wrong way to go about it in my opinion and I think that's why people crowded with my contacts. I'm never like anyway finger. I'm always like let's just talk and be wrong. Yeah I think that's but I think that's a school and I wasn't expecting you to be like even do you think you can on all this stuff because like I? I truly do like it. But I do I resp- I respond more when people are like nice about it you know what I mean or at least open to hearing me and I think that's I have been lucky in my in my own struggles with my transplants. Like being nice and supportive. They never were like. You're not this. You know what I mean. They're very dislike. Oh well we can talk about it and a lot of people like a lot of my friends literally like you're trans girl boy. So I'm GonNa do but I guess it also people don't like the pronouns she for myself and for me. I'm not like I don't feel comfortable I'm not I don't feel comfortable being like. He collects all the time and like well. Just because I feel like doesn't mean I want to be called here right now. Let's that's what I mean by like just varying degrees of destroy because for me when I first started and I came out. It was so important for me to us. She and her own out right like an obviously that those want their pronouns my family was you still and I remember being like I'm not even going around you cousin or grandma or whatever. If you're not gonNA use that that makes me feel like shit. Yeah I agree I think. And that's why like don't even touch the subject. 'cause I have my own issues with my gender but We'll figure that was one of those. Yeah you're amazing. This is so great. What is next? Are you going to just continue doing your videos? Do you want to? Are you going to become a pop star? Maybe rival impetuous like what is your imagine. I just like comfort like that. No I'll be a rapper. Do this on her. She's pretty poppin right. Like sort of like harness some of your energy or we don't give like Yoda's maker Robert so you were just making obvious way as ingest like if you're doing a distracted like I'm being funny and cute she's yet the tweets about your something like a video honor know about it because I still like. I still so much like the idea of a tram popular that I don't WanNa wake drag Babai School. It's like mixed emotion. Yeah but what's next for me is working on a book about your life or People. Ask Me and for me. My my answer is always like it's everything that anyone who's ever like casually or like loyally watch me would want out of the bucks so I bought my wife but also about like politics and also about like just launch it. Okay pictures everything And also working on a tour. I WANNA do my own work up until now I will meat. Unlike speaking events invited to and like events for like other commentators and stuff. So I'm working on a Blair white tour. That'd be which I think is like I wanted to maitland thing You would do like what like motivational speaking at Ted Talks. Stop title style. Sort of but less preachy. More of like Like a what do you usually as as you panel events with different political commentator. So it'll be like three people on stage and we discuss certain topics and QA and a meet and greet in the middle of the Hall Keel. So for me it would be like the Labor. Shell like an experience. Kinda Yeah Yeah Yeah So tour book more videos. Yeah let's look so you're you're pretty content where you're like you don't you don't do. Tv shows are honestly I so many loved the online space that like. I don't know it's weird like whenever I do. Tv shows like maybe we can like letting you down a lot on TV shows. But when I do little things like an interview on News Nation News Network. Whatever it's like I almost feel like it's so underwhelming like it's cool to have the clip like it's almost like a youtube video means more. I agree than a psych went on an online space is where it's at when people people asking the same thing. I am dedicated to online space. Like I think it's cool. Yeah it's cool drew Delegate I feel the same way I think like why you have such a connection to your audience as is your what they want like. You're what TV shows. We're going to bring this social media. I want to get views. Or WHATEVER THE CASE. And there's also a weird disconnect like a lot of people who try to cross over TV or museum but it doesn't really work like their shows will flop. Enjoy like faith Lop Off. They really do. It's crazy. No the only one who successfully did I think was clean. She had to Netflix shows. I love his get up guys. Definitely check out Blair why she is your five thousand hours like it's crazy okay. What would you consider yourself just or Youtuber? An activist and like beauty were Betcha. Opinion Blare Out Blair white bitch with an opinion. Now see here on Youtube under Blair white instagram under Blair white and I guess her book coming soon on her tours. You have any speaking events coming up or one in Texas coming shop bill. We'll check her out. You guys thank you so much. I really appreciate it guys display. I don't mean to offend anyone going. Talk me if you want to talk to him. No she's amazing to dodge hacker. Either I can take it to to be honest and I'm just trying to open up conversation. I feel like that's how we educate people you talk you ask questions and the way to get over ignorance so guys thank you so much for being here hopefully come back. Dasa maybe video muck bank. I can do a video. Maybe we can go ask people who they think trained people after all. It's your best MC I am from using using person all right guys next time.

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Ezra Buzzington, Blair Socci and Dan Van Kirk guest

Doug Loves Movies

1:09:12 hr | 1 year ago

Ezra Buzzington, Blair Socci and Dan Van Kirk guest

"Talk the as walls. Hey everybody by his dog and I love technical issues and delays says Douglas Breweries covered you. What's IT GONNA? Rub Suburban Tori. It's Sunday may twenty four th twenty twenty and my guest today in this home alone. In addition over gun had gone a second. They are as real buzzy. Did Blair sake and Daniel van Kirk. Hey we were. It really sounds like rid the nature because at least one of you like names sounded kind of robotic. Chelsea speaker individually enough cly Easter. How everybody sells starting with what a coup? I can't believe by God in his be and only as robust content as I said before guilty as charged. But not responsible are you. Are you sound like a underwater robot? Clearly say you're clearly you're familiar with might work? Are you a mess in actor prepared for his next role? Yeah you don't. One is the sequel to shape of water about a underwater robot that falls in love with you know what I could actually make a call on that comes. Doug Jones and I'm from the same channel I would especially like I think I find myself saying that more more and more during the accord teed I would love to watch that you know how they have time to watch everything that's ever existed. I WanNa Watch things that don't exist yet. That's what I really crave the most about. Doug's that is blue illustrate Bluefield. There's a lot of blue. Our direction really sold the idea of the ocean and sank. Agnes this I think a young Yasser Yes. Israel like You know was attacked viciously by three just goes the also unlike. The name of Joe Conroy. he he went nuts when he heard nothing personal because he had no idea who wishes very personal. Actually you realize that's incredibly personal. No I'm not familiar with work. It'll be traced their name. Do be wrong. I love jewel lovejoy code for Jokela for years and keep Tony's and I've never felt so honored as to win showing before we started on the text. I got that morning. Saying Hey your name is being trashed over the Internet and I looked up federal the podcast and that Al Try. It was so funny because I was trying to eat my sad solo breakfast and I was holy tears pouring for my eyes salting by eggs. Who Still Larry is one of my all time favorite movies ever a movie so moments IRA will. Don't ever talk about salting your eggs in mixed company. Because it's I don't think it means what you think it means is that so you do you're in Because of course you're in fight club and the game where playing was people that are fight club and of course I was picking actors that You know my guests would just sort of have to guess whether or not they were in the movie except for of course. Meatloaf was real lobbyist. Where Ninety nine thought but You are also in your tub for. I am is pretty impressive. Academy Award Winning Best Picture of the artists is in there along with You know totally opposite kind of movie. The hills have eyes right Honestly to God. I've been incredibly lucky in terms of directors. I've worked with What they tend to tell people won't make sense to me. You know small parts big films big small films but all seemed for the most part To be pretty stinking good and like right. Now there's one supposed to go to south by our Sundance where I play like. A nothing will on the limo driver at the opening film but it turns out without even know yet because I read those strippers wasn't finished for a great deal. Supervisor with Kerry Grunstein and just Saint Vincent the singer ignorance of called the nowhere in and I played a limo driver at the beginning. Who's driving through the desert? She is seeing Pinson. She's famous for. I'm not cared enough. Nobody deal right. Owes one day shoot was great. I loved everybody. Ono's a huge fan of both segments. Enter Grunstein obviously but variety says Ezra buzzing been sets the tone of the film but shape us God the phone so now of course. Nobody's GonNa say thank you again and finish. The sentence is a good tone that you said talk seriously lead. That was followed up. The secondary paragraph was so go. Get your popcorn early so you don't have to suffer to another Ezra buzzing now. You really sounds like my how're you? How are you doing with aside from MMA frustration that the movies are coming out? Because at least I'm sure we're going to see that movie someday. I'm I'm excited to see it. Even before any out the gray as the buzz agency sets the tone for the whole thing what how are you doing for the isolation? Are you doing like a like a play or something like the as funny actually? Yes Oh of a a good question. Honestly I've been to. The doctor do to readings were filmmakers for next week. The zoom but also. I just got an email yesterday saying that the last project I did. Which was the television programme into the DR? Only blow. One House is called into the dark? It's a series. I were female is a serious This particular one is called current occupants. And basically what you do is you should our house episode within ten days and it's going really well but they need some more agr hour so they're literally going to be singer for apparently heavily disinfected technical equipment but no disinfected technical engineer for me to set up. This bullshit clearly never met me because I tend to screw things up technically. I'm sure I'm primarily the recent you could not today because England influenced in my life so but I'm excited understood something to do. It breaks up the monotony of know staring at the mirror and weekday. I think if it ends sounding half as good as you to be right now. They're him of ether field. It's really it's perfect. How you sound right now so I wouldn't worry about if were year old. Also Georgia yesterday is less headless comedy. Female Come Blair sake high player. Hi How are you doing? Hello everyone it's great to be here. I think everything going pretty well. I'm also a little bit upset about my movies. Coming out but hanging in there will tell us about a year movie while you are you Limo driver in your movie. Do you set the tone. I love to set the tone. I haven't been known to You know be able to really carve the road in a limo of two just hanging out getting some sunshine. I've got a sick farmers ten right now for my long walks around town we ask you let me be more specific seeking consumer Paul. You're doing would you say that you're doing better than Ezra Put her porch. Oh I don't know I am as you head but I feel like I'm undoing okay less newbies but you know still thriving try to say you're the punchline but yeah thank you for being here and also joining us also journeys is. Everyone's favorite. Dan Her how you doing Dan. Hey Buddy I'm good. How about yourself? I'm doing all right. You know. We Got Blair Ezra and you feel like it's a nice combination of people I think feel like I'm in a I've been watching a lot of movies I've seen before I'm testing. They're like does this hold up water's all the time for movies. Like oh I bought this for a reason. I used to like it. I mean I'm sure we'll get into that later but I'm just doing a lot of movie watching these days that's good. I'm glad that you can pull it off from seeing maybe a little bit more serialized. Tv shows just because you know the guns so good especially ones that are can. Have you know swearing? Nudity violence the staff and Also you know it's just like I can watch shorter increments watching a whole movies a little a little harder to do right now but I do like We'll ask you guys later if you have any any recommendations so you can think about that but it quick question for you You know who star of the dumb people town are joust with us. Coupla other people you're the best Do you find that the the the people in dumb people town are getting dumber. Yes yeah yeah I mean so. I've always thought like there's never been a better time to be done. Which is part of the world living in right now like you like we have better access to like dumb things people are doing but I am constantly getting stories of things that are directly. Born out of this I think in in downstate Illinois Which for the most part is still taking everything seriously? They they had like the wife of a mayor was arrested in a bar. Oh I just got a story sent to me about a woman who was Without consent kissing people in she got drunk and she was kissing people in a bar in Wisconsin and then she went home and called nine one one because she was mad. The Bar wasn't making people practice social distancing the same bar. She was earlier at forcing people to kiss her. So God all the hits are still coming. Oh my God yeah it's really It's really like this is like the time for dump people to shy. Oh yeah the embryo. They really have a nice nice opening here to get out there and beat down like I've seen some amazing low speed car chases in Los Angeles. A traffic barricade. Go On for longer. But it's still going to end same way for sure and there is apparently local Los Angeles actress of sorts who has taken and performs artist and apparently wizard in goddess who has taken cell to stand in front of trader. Joe's in some parts of town I could tell pictures. Which are they all look alike on standing with masts? The Bloom dander masks once on her forehead to or on our boobs. One cover She Assem around her and in heels and stands performing. Something holds she. I think she was coming up. Plan Democrat performance. So she clearly wasn't buying the whole concept of everybody's going to die soon and she was going instead to assure career to anybody who's willing to yourself out there. I saw that picture and I saw that. She was being like a pro man. Not good at Brandon was like wow this bitches down for the cause and unfortunately there are no. That's not the case part of that whole put a mask on your twad campaign which will probably be in next year's Hollywood fringe festival so look for she booked. Edinburgh. I mean are is really bringing out the crazy people. So I'm sure I'm you guys are still Could still make episodes dumb people town right over. Sure we're we're good. Yeah Doing Amo- lay in Alvin. Loker the craziest stories. I imagine much so. I can't imagine you'll ever run out in. It's possible gets All right well. I'm very excited to pit. The three of you against each other people are getting along too. Well you know during this data one another and for for no prize whatsoever. That's part of of fun about it. and then. I got games prepared me to too much trouble this I I've already I've excuse me already told competitors as like there's no free I've thrown in the towel like five six times. I saw my trivia mind was lost with early. Lsu never know as the category could be the movies of Azra Buzzing ten. I still wouldn't be able to know that I remember my lines and the way Waco this. Let's to give it a shot. I'm going to humiliate myself to your Selena fans. Well that's funny that he should mention because the first game play is called as real slides. Anyway yes people have to guess what your lines were movie which is really tough with the artists. That of course was a silent. That Phil Right. It was all improvised. No this game. We're GONNA play. I think you can win this game. As because it's it's got a lock element to the game is called since it was Saturday yesterday. We're going to play. It's called Saturday night fever fever. It's the fever everybody's had for years but it hasn't killed anybody. Everybody loves the movie. Saturday night fever. These are questions about Saturday night. Fever this the game where locked and knowledge of Tony. Minero and his adventures go hand in hand they stay. They stay responsible six-speed apart of course at all times I'm GONNA come to your first has rub because buzzing tens very early on in the alphabet we're going. Oh also has all of the vowels. Just play buzzing genders no buzzing to okay. I was GONNA say really good out of it. Why am I so I hate my life? Here's what's going to happen as also ask you a question and you just have to guess an answer and if you're if you're not correct don't gas at all then it goes to Blair who's GonNa get multiple choice to options in while Air Miss in from those two options. Then it goes to Dan. Dan Gets we called Lucky Point. And then it moves on from there et CETERA. So anybody could get lucky Anytime depending on what the other contestants now I two points wins. It doesn't take much to win this thing. Let's dance what am I doing? I'm so confused on this are you gotTa do is tell me the name of remember the about a robot that was directed by John Badham who of course directed the legendary Saturday night fever? But what robot movie did he make? That's all I have to do. Yeah just tell me the name of the robot movies directed by the great late. John can you hear me clicking on my keys? Don't she on? Not I'm I'm kidding. It until the getting the robot movie directed by John Batum. Yeah would have been that robot. Yeah directed by John. Bet You're calling it back. My answer ness way. It's understanding people. Don't make up titles enough in these games and I applaud it now. I get to give options to Blair you ready Blair. Yeah odds are. Did he direct short-circuit or short circuit to mow? That's call Look on just GonNa take a wild guess here angle. Short-circuit is correct. Rock on rare is on the board one for and gets to go first in the next round events. The tough part where you know choices just a question see. I would have done great with Multiple Sean. Well if I don't get this right. You're going to get multiple choice. Nice Yeah Dan. Dan's wearing his captain obvious. Had you'd be so good those commercials again. Here we go. How many Oscar? Nominations Saturday night fever. Get three that is incorrect. That's exactly the number. I was thinking to August. Alright so song gets a choice that God Jesus and is more on or two as got to be to your final answer who can make it. Call Joe Coyne okay. This is a real quick call. Joe Corey no good to yes. Final answer correct. Kill Kill me now Blair. How is a why drag crush rule? You really kind of do. What was it win for what they win nominated right? Was it best song original or it was only dominated for one thing. And that of course was John Travolta so the beaches on the you know the departments of the academy that Yeah the role of music You know that was back when like hit song. Didn't necessarily win the best song. Healy Corny. Shit Movies nobody cared about awesome. It's a it's a weird category is a category where they somebody writes song of winning it out that song except through. It's a musical but you know what I mean like when they do of musical. It's like some old aspirant songs. Written already in categories it has to be written for in the Moon They write a song. Plays over the end as good as the rest of the songs. But it wins anyway It's from that movie. That was really good morning the movie I hate this town. Sometimes it works out at three. Six Mafia wins an Oscar. I going to get the hell out of this town and that needs to happen. I don't Care Oh no where are you going to go so many so many great Saturday night? Fever question so everybody listening. Look forward to this game coming back in the future. And but congratulations to Blair. Sock is a winning that game and we're GONNA go to a brief commercial message. We get back later. You'RE GONNA find out exactly The advantage one in our next game and can't wait. I'll tell you that after these messages will be right back today. Show is brought to you in part by an MD as you may or may not know we hear on. Doug loves movies love movies. You know who else loves movies? Imdb that's why IMDB is launching. Its first ever podcast movies. That changed my life. The weekly series will feature celebrities and filmmakers discussing the movies that inspired them and help launch their careers. If it were me I definitely talk about super high me. But it's not about me yet. The podcast features guests like Jeffrey Right. Joel McHale Judy. Greer flee day and Kevin Smith each of us gets fans like you and me a unique and intimate look into their favorite stars lives through the Lens of their favorite films. Movies that changed my life is hosted by the IMDB shows e and Vohra. New episodes air every Thursday wherever podcasts are found including spotify apple podcast. Google podcasts and IMDB DOT com slash podcast at seriously. Imdb call me. Movies changed my life to You. Know back to the show. We're back great. I told you there was no such thing as time right head is spinning now is so slow so many great products and services that. I can't wait to try We're here with of saying that like anyone would join this in progress as made live somebody just fast forward wildly for over the commercials and the commercials that happened before I start circuit. Very show Blair SAGGY won the last game. Bank heavy one. It was an honor. She gets an incredible advantage in this. Thanks game we're GONNA play because it is called last person standing the one that scares me. This is the one that I'm terrified now. This one is really. It's yeah it is for the real trivia dogs out unless unless you get an advantage and that's what I'm GonNa Blair right now because you get to name or we're GONNA play today. I like to play the long game. We'RE GONNA take turns naming movies of the actor or actress of Blair's choice and whenever you can't think more a one that's incorrect you are out first. Couple of rounds. I go kind of easy on everybody because go fund. Kick somebody out immediately. You know it's like on jeopardy you know. If it's very early on the game they forget to boarded as question. Alex just reminds them to do it from now on or they will be merged. Donald Software really is. He really is. He's a sweetheart so Blair you've had chance to think about it. Is there an actor accuracy you think and you can sweep the floor with the rest of us? Yeah I mean I'm GonNa do my best here but I'm GONNA have to go. Owen Wilson. No that's a great one and you know a lot of Illinois bills movies you inside your podcast. Where is named as even in the title right? It's it's not a podcast. It's alive Shell. But yeah. It's called Dear Wilson and it's based on a letter that I wrote to him after he had some issues in two thousand seven each. Yeah so yes you're real you really know. Owen Wilson's work. Yeah I used to or at least as address. Us found on the Internet in two thousand seven. So you've definitely put in more thought into Owen Wilson than these other two honestly. I thought about aboard Sir but I think he's a great a great choice for this game and I'll be a good spoiler alert to You know help move things along and Don't forget to give me turn so it's going to go room Blair Dad than as AS Roma might be out on. The first was already out. Not that I'm not fat. I'm just that guy who will do the things like. Oh he did that movie with that Lane you about. Those people were in the early round. I might accept that if I got a wildcard. Okay but I think he was whilst the You know. He's been at some sequels and whatnot so Go ahead stars up there though with any Owen Wilson Movie New depre- crew. Yeah that's you know that's just a title that's just engrained everybody's head to use that one could write their wedding crashers. That was gonNA use Schliemann already near heads. What do you got as you gotta you gotTa of the gate at least one here not as a museum night at the Museum? Small Role in that. What does that matter like? Half he set the tone US. That was great. Had set the tone for students characters. Looks like we're both going to be smaller this Let's say I gotta go like a probably. Maybe my favorite own Wilson Moving. He's been some goodies. I'm say Marley and me O'Reilly good for anybody. Who needs a good cry? Who Act you were gay. I'm Starsky and Hutch. Just because I WANNA be generous to my Game mates to take up the more obscure. Titles I To Show my cinema knowledge results is happening. That was a nice pull. I don't know of a beverage. The Dan I'm GonNa go with the Royal Tenenbaums. We'll see you know I take it back. That's my favorite movie of the movie. What do you think as well? Here's what sucks. Here's your excuse are not as not Cova just hours. I know every single one of these movies and I enjoy pretty much every single one of them but once I've seen them Kinda Mahan. Yes failed. Quick that I've I've been sneezing alive. Lakers I'm allergic to cogut. I like that very much. I I don't mean to doing hot topics. Syrupy walking down the street periodically. I'm wearing my mask reminiscent. I always tough really hard so Tokyo. Just to lighten it up. You know yeah So I'm remembering early insurance really early that I remember when sunset lend lease still existed in. They're such things called art shows on the played in real leaders as opposed to disposables or stream. I want to say it was called the minute man really hoping that's right. He played a serial killer. Is that have two minute noon? I mean just maybe I'm not entirely sure if that's real. I know with that wind up. I can't can can check your loud chattering. I I suppose I. Could you know what at this stage of the game? I feel like I feel like somebody else. That's playing is gonNA walk away with this thing and I really like the game different and literally I could have said Donald in this I allow that everybody be like how from Doug doesn't know own Wilson's doubtfire but nobody's saying it's themselves. I can't believe dog does know Milla Fan a good point. I mean that sounds like a studio picture of me out Nov Independent. Pretty sure in indy. Okay percents playing at the London We'll get maiming. Was Pacific theater really. Sold me there I do. There are things I do remember. I remember that theater and it's not known replied movies is a don't exist so I guess yeah okay So for my turn I WANNA survey for the Grado and Wilson. I want to go all the way back. I want to go back super far back in the day to An early early ass wide The Cable Guy. That's a great Louis that some people say you agree. I love souls though I. I know a lot of people that lend US movie. But coincidentally there on a watchlist watch that. That explains along though. It's really it's creepy. Well it's movie. I don't know I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for anyone looking for laughs. I ask is not that you know east. Insure Tennessee Sunny. No yeah okay. So Owen Wilson and he's been though okay I'M GONNA have to toss out do linders. Swipe I'm proving to be a vicious competitor. Imagine my stunned supersonics right. And what are you to do with that? I'M GONNA leave it for hope. He takes it. I will say Moon Rise Kingdom you people are very impressive been in show. Many movies doesn't incredibly illustrious career really tries some of your sequels so as the sorry. I'm very good. Yes it might. This would be. Let's see what was the sequel to that museum. Zia movie that happened at was it called another night. No it wasn't another ninety nine eight at the gate the county museum to just two cats listen to be sad. News is the usually was Last answer there was a lender to technically he said. And you're also telling you that there wasn't museum do. I'm not saying there was saying that you're going to never never gonNA guess what the title was. Oh we play Zach. Exact titles which really trips gag a To like not museum to Ben Stiller three just against something like that but You know I don't think they've really come out. And you know just admitted in the title of one of the room out of the room. How his his personal level of excitement about the project to so Guys I don't know I kind of wanted. Say I kind of just say for him but I also enjoy the The level of torture. What's going on here are getting go ahead and go with GonNa say Gosh. What's another dumb thing that he was in resort areas again to pick found? So I got a good one for you Blair that you probably have in your back pocket. But I'm going to ruin it for you right now. You're ready like this movie to big barrel okay. That really wasn't anywhere. I was going but thank God so I'm still having arson already. Feel like you're gonNA take us all but go an AK47 of information. I don't how is result aggressive? I know I WANNA ban myself. What's your next answer Shanghai noon? Oh you of high nude so much. What a great Combo Set the screen on fire right. Dan What do you got cars car? Conard alright so Ezra on a plane kearns confusing southwards. This is a guess Shanghai noon. We got cars. Whether you say as I'm this is a guest. Goes I kinda remember. He was in it but I'm not even sure I saw his but a pineapple express district real quickly. Let me recap. Why do you do the rest of good hang? Hi New January I do. We also have. Car Blur. We've never met and I love what we're doing. I'm not sure I can concur with that. I'm not sure I completely so in other words no sorry as sinister. Things have been in quarantine. Well here's the thing you guys don't understand is I'm trying to get out of this. We fish but no you keep dragging. I died of Jesus seriously cars to very job. How are you I? I am a font. I'm right I'm going to Go ahead say Shanghai Knights Dang Good Choice. Doug late ago. Good call. That's cheating than twos. Which is what I use to get on my Broadway audition storms. Wow okay. So we're we're back to Blair Okay meet. The falker know what is happening. The Life Aquatic Steve Zoo. You take my breath away that I didn't know where he was heartache for her back to you as a Mugabe could be easier. We've got We've got cars to and we the Falker was there one cold a killing the fuck. No ask your phillies. Beat Mary or killed far. Are there only three choices? Actually a cute movie from can say Political Express to know. That's probably not a good choice. I'm unfamiliar with what you're doing. It's very clear to me. I thank you for holding radiators. The literally actor in town so I was to stay in the game and drive you on that we offer to nobody's hand ever again The sorry there is nothing called the faulkners to. Oh my God my out. I think you are sweet. Jesus lives you guys. I just want to sit here and laugh now. It must've y'all install a ceremony that's fair. You got laughed at by next dancer in cars three played. I didn't know there was a car. Three for real fortunately hilarious. It's actually better than to. It's like a rebound from two. Wow this is what has come to cars cars. Three dozen has very little of the tow truck. We went toe toe truck crazy in the second. One and people didn't respond to its. They took him out of the third one who voiced the tow truck junior. Larry Larry the Professional Voiceover Guy Poise enrich just off of that. But he also made on beating the cable other guy the other the other white able guy so Who STARTED LEHRER? Show her brought to boil okay. bottle rocket emails. I'm starting to forget what I've said. Already it's okay to repeat. Remind your things sign asya relief? Yeah no you don't have to worry about. It's not a memory game as far as what we said. So far memory game you are. We can come up with in the future Dan. Do you have another? Would meet the parents yes of course. So that's what happened to you as a victim of the fact that meet the fockers with the sequel to meet the Parents Sheila that yeah I think that's true. Yeah completely legit and then the say follow up to make the fockers which courses little fuckers asked Carson West. Yeah see now if we if we adjusted a Robert Deniro as the actor. Maybe I would have gotten all it's easier. Forget own Wilson was there. Oh Dire G. League limited AC-. That's the one that wasn't Pineapple Express. Right you did. You just have the wrong exactly. That is so funny. I didn't even catch that have boy. That's exactly how the mind doesn't work starting to get to the bottom of my barrel here. I sounded like you were doing an impression of Dennis Hopper move held it. I was just wondering if that sounds kind of dirty I will go with behind enemy lines. Oh bears right. Turns SLOW DANIELS TRYING TO? That's uh that might be the only one left Noah sitting on totally it totally triggered me totally helped me to think of some stuff not ever. He's in Armageddon. Oh my God why it is so good at this right. How this explains the sweat might be police should wear. I gotTA admit boiler. It's the weirdest thing like of all the actors speed pick you pick the one hill. I've its power bedroom with posters of his fill is true though. I choose husband's sitting here reading all the great. No I don't I don't he. Got Owen Wilson wallpaper from Galleries Nineteen eighty-eight. It'd be cool off. I've had issues with goal ability my entire life turn it is yeah okay okay This is getting harder and scary. 'cause I don't WANNA lose Choice but Rush Mar sort show. 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I've never seen it internships and it was a big problem. Nationally it was weird is a weird behind the scenes that Google Mosey Bouma. Okay I personally feel like I enjoy watching bands von like when he's like kind of a fast talking idea van and when he's just an intern and nobody likes any of his ideas that you know that he moved to be star. It's just doesn't it's weird. I Know I love join. You is like a confident bass talking asshole. Okay so I'm GonNa go with Let's see oh I love dogs. All men great movie wait. I didn't know he's in. I'll dogs rebutted caller. We've got to apply the play. I think you're probably right. You might not be in it for go ahead and give us your next forbear Layer okay I log. You have another one God. That movie where he was all like. Hey Hey hey hey. Let's corn on the bone. It's okay it's I I me. Owen Wilson. Nice that's pretty good. I was sure thanks. Thanks so much I appreciate it. Very nice the lip. Thanks for seeing movies thing right on. I. I don't know any. What is another wes? Anderson Movie We Sell Ya. I bought a one. We didn't faze probably a I know I don't know I feel. What was Dan still in it? No no unfortunately Oh my God head to head with. Doug loves movies. I can't think come on Blair. You came up with the internship you can do this. Oh little meet. The parents meet the Falker. Little fuckers No I don't know any any night at the Museum of Museums. There is a wide called the battle burden Smithsonian and another one called something Nelson I. I always get tripped. Those are what they were called and then But here's one you're GONNA kick yourself for not remembering ready play by the way you one Gal. I feel I feel like you want because I I don't care served just the host. I'm still not sure about mile of DOTS cheaper. I know you know of do good at it. I'll dogs could go either way but I I think he's not in. I think players right about that but you know what he's stabbed in a movie called drill. Bit Taylor I've never seen that movie there. Because he's a plays the titular role. L'oreal the young on the Star Jar could play that role. But he's not Taylor. He was also in wasn't he? Anything was Jack. Nicholson Reese Witherspoon or or Paul. Rudd and Reese Witherspoon or somebody in somebody. Oh Yeah Jackson in it for like one seen what? It's called something like people. Something people people go places. Yeah wasn't he didn't have coal. Did He? Do a Woody Allen movie to Am I remembering that her in Paris. I say that you did. I don't remember you saying you didn't talk. I Damn I thought I said that. I know you said the pre. I think considering considering that the winning you did you by Paris are very good full. Oh my God if we did any other actor I would've only gone to check. You won that first round. It all came together. When you come back on the show you'll have to you know. Study up on the somebody I event. Of course you also have to win through. It was funny because that actually occurred to me I thought well maybe maybe I'll study up until the sweetened but that I thought well no. I'm going to have to win the other. Games do swipe. Oh God I was going to do a new thing towards the end of the show where I went out and watched movies recommended by my gas on the last show and I ever watch anything that they recommended. I just get into that state of mind where you know you have ever a thing that used from the end up watching you know whatever whatever you feel like seeing in the moment not something. That's kind of an unknown or whatever. Yeah this is a real American problem. Soon any choices. It's hard to choose working. Americans. I'm like I couldn't using this time to deepen my exploration of cinema Find myself watching fucking bullshit like not size. I'm rewatching girls love it. It's a perfect perfect example. So but as so if have do any of you have a recommendation for like a either a new movie or a classic that You seen lately or you think. Also watch during this lockdown thinking serious movies. I've been watching a lot of cereal. Star Blue Hill I recommend the movie twenty Fifth Hour. Spike Lee's first movie after nine eleven. But it's more about a guy in his final days before going to jail. It is a Brahma but it's not as like darker heavy. It's pretty entertaining. Philip Seymour. Hoffman Barry Pepper directed by Spike Lee. Rosario Dawson led by Edward Norton. Really really really really really good movie. Heavy hitters yeah called twenty fifth hour and then also. I'm going to watch this week if anybody else wants to. Watch it a warrior starring. Joel Edgerton and Tom Hardy and an academy nominated performance by Nick Nolte. It is a Technically sports movie but it has no business being as good as it is especially with the backdrop of Ma but it is just a great story like that movie. I like that movie a lot so I encourage people should try to catch up. They can think it's not going to be that good. And then you realize oh these are the actors that are and this is just a great goddamn story. It's called warrior so movies. Think I recommend right. Yeah well we gotta we gotta Dan Van Kirk Double Bill for you guys of twenty fifth hour or in warrior written. Don't get your wisdom. The warriors the gang ever here of Blair. What do you think is there? Anything people should watch well I'll just speak ended with my teammates in the listeners. I did recently revisit. The bad boys trilogy with a Will Smith and Martin Lawrence another incredibly High Chemistry unrepeatable duo. But also that the first batboys is really incredible in the next two fell off. But what can you do? You know? They can't all be it's true. What was it a particular about the second and third one that by a not as good as the original just they just kept repeating the same thing basically. Yeah may be unlike I think I don't know it's if it's just the progression of time or what but it seemed to be less plot in just like three hours of Lake K. forty-sevens and I don't know maybe my sophisticated. Feminine Palette has changed a Bit. You know there is a sheds other gunplay in to really extended car chase. That is so sanely. Wild would be the best thing anybody ever saw. Tv there was local news coverage again. Right dungiven insane memory. It's pretty impressive is really is I just remember what I wanNA remember like parts of movies. I hate me to this. Remember like I just forget like a lot of men I've cooked up with okay. So we're going. I personally not gonNA back back into but for those of you out there looking for something that's GonNa take a while and part of his of US good is another part of it. Checkout Yup. The three boys movies and don't get kick us with the bathroom boys movie. That's about a prison starring. Sean Penn but it is also a pretty good movie. It's its own right but I think it's probably pretty depressing to watch. Breakout like any prison movie. Right now is like they've got those people are in prison. They're like so that's depicted in the movie. And then you get to about. Oh and also. There's this virus going around that you shouldn't be caused of people which is a whole nother. Yeah Ezra finally you man. What recommend fight club the artist? Anyone of my sixty no. Interestingly enough a really smart kid I know Here in Seattle use is posted Couple of days ago a youtube video his deconstruction analysis of midsummer. In which I've seen already and then Africans deconstruction analysis on. Its sound far heavier than it. Actually is a beautiful insight on how director managed to somehow infused the concepts of one. Who would build a cult into like the steps? They take you know. Find Someone Lonely. Make them feel welcome. Always keep them busy. Found a way to apply those tenants Directory Leagues in the phone. So that by the very end after she has gone through her journey for anyone who has seen it on a little spoiler so but it's been around while we are thrilled and happy to see how happy she has become and it was really really interesting. Stories watched it right. It was fascinating fascinating study to of was that I was GonNa say you say it's been around for a while. I think I think it's been around since mid Somare just this last minute so long island number there is no time there just is no time for me anymore but honestly what. I've been watching. Mostly I have as I sent on shows. I hope she like Mitch and those or no on the movie. Though I loved him now I was loving the midsummer talk. I just wanted to jump in and do a stupid joke. but I think that is one of those movies where I think it can get deeper and deeper and deeper. I just don't know for me personally If I take any pleasure from revisiting the the the horrors of that movie I loved it but I don't know if I can rewatch it but I I kind of want to someday. It just might need to be more time than less than a year. Does Blair seeing it midsummer. I know I can't see Scary movies on a very soft girl. I was recently forced to watch cloverfield which I don follow. That was just sure does look. It's IT'S ONLY. The cloverfield only scares people who are afraid of shaky. Camerawork cloverfield the monster. I mean what happens? The the brother slept on. I don't know a pretty sure sisters St and Santa Monica. Yeah that doesn't sound like the right will be for you. I think you should stick to black up buddy to is you to all three of you for joining me today. All of my June shows have been canceled or postponed in July dates. I Dunno stay tuned What if he last you guys have for your current endeavors? I will let everybody know that this Friday. I'm doing a on like a comedy. Show benefiting a man named John Harrington who was paralyzed When he was mistaken for somebody else in Chicago and it's raising money to help make his home. Ada accessible but it's a comedy show and tickets are whatever you can donate. That's the cost of yet. Two Bucks yet twenty bucks yet. Two Bucks whatever. It is That would be your ticket into the show. You can find all of that stuff posted recently on my social media at Daniel Van Kirk and that is this Friday the twenty ninth of May at eight o'clock central time. The what about you layer sake you know all of my role data Canceled if you can believe it but You can just find a online on instagram. Twitter at Blair stocky via L. A. I. R. S. OCC. I and I post a lot of my short zones and wild ass content on there if you need to see. Don't check out some wild house my actual ass but you know what. Sparta right and As robotic ten. What's the name of that movie again? We should be looking out for it. Sounds great though. The one was saint. Vincent and Is called the nowhere in and I started seeing it but I have. I've read wonderful based but also on like Salou coming up in July will be into the Dark Cologne current occupants and that works really freaking cool very excited about the thousand last job of work before everything hit. What's the hell so now just mostly riding a lot can also finally sociably took love it. Thank you so much for doing this dude. That's very cool. Movie was so much fun. Thank you to all three of you as we did. Blair I did occur extent. Air You guys rock in consumer meet my new friends. You could send me pictures of yourselves. Like self is in the Air Recording environment that you're in today I'd appreciate it. I'll use it for the promotions episode. The out later tonight Thank you again and as always you met me at a very strange time in my life. There's no room and.

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122 - Deep Dive: Pricing Creativity  with Blair Enns

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122 - Deep Dive: Pricing Creativity with Blair Enns

"Welcome to the future. Podcasts show that explores the interesting overlap between creativity business and personal development. I'm greg gun if you've followed us here at the future then you've probably heard the name blair ends. The times blair is a business consultant speaker and the author of the acclaimed. Book the win without pitching manifesto. If you'd ask christo what one book you should read. It would be that one now. We've had blair on the show before. But i wanted to share this deep dive livestream with you because it's pure gold front to back the insights that blair shares perspective he has to offer is unmatched. You can actually hear chris's giddiness through their conversation and they cover a lot of graft discussing things like specialize versus generalizing how to measure the value. You bring to the table. Pricing the client not the job and of course value based pricing. But the best part is that these are universal business concepts you'll find them everywhere outside of the creative industry. The blair does a fantastic job of contextualising them for people like us. The creative professional. So here's what i suggest. Listen to the episode once all the way through then on another day. Grab your laptop or a notebook and listen to it again. This time taking us. Please enjoy our conversation with blair ends just a few days ago. I was in warsaw poland. And the reason why. I'm back is because of my guests today. Probably a couple of years in the making. It's mr blair ends in. He's in the booth with me. First time we met face to face. We've talked before but gosh. I'm so excited to get on with today. Show really briefly really briefly. He's the ceo win without pitching. He's also before. I guess in a previous life the business development person at cossack communication marketing. He's the count director at mccann-erickson account. Supervisor wine are. This was questionable has a master's degree in marine biology and underwater welding from dog land university. He's the co host of to bob's which is a podcast and you guys can listen to that. Where you get your podcast. He's from a very small town castle. Canada think they're under nine hundred people there. I can't even wrap my head around. that blair. Just can't read this book guys. This is the bible. You've been hearing me talking about this for ever and everybody that's read. It has been impacted. Hopefully in the same way i have an. His second book is equally amazing pricing creativity. If you guys want to join the conversation today though dot com use the hashtag h two five six. That's h two five six. Isn't that your question. Vote those questions down and we will be tackling. The highest most popular voted question. Mr blair ends is on a mission to change the way creative services are bought and sold the world over. Here's my fellow comrade price. Seventy everybody please help me. Welcome to the show bears team here you are. I can't believe it you're here so i'm so glad you came back from warsaw for this. Nobody's ever come back from warsaw for me. And that explains the poster the communist image. Yes yes now. We're going to be some questions. But i have my own questions for you. Got some questions for you. I want to start off by asking you a couple of questions about the whole win without pitching manifesto has been so influential in the way that i think in the things that i've been able to share with people so i'm gonna just teed up for you okay. Yeah so there are twelve proclamations. I believe twelve like the ten commandments. But they're twelve commandments. Here so let's talk about their so. Everybody can get really familiar with you. Your concepts one of the proclamations is we will specialize and creative people struggle with this all the time. Sir please expand yeah It is the nature of the creative personality to want to solve the problem that you have not previously solved that is essentially. Creativity is the ability to see the ability to bring novel perspective to a problem. Therefore if you're creative person you really drawn to the problem that you haven't solved before so it's in your nature to build a business that allows you to solve any problem that will ever come along and it's not a problem. That's universal to creative people but creative people tend to have that Have to deal with more than others. So you as a creative person. You have this personal need for variety but your business really needs you to focus because it's not until you focus on the same types of problems with the same market where you start to see the patterns and you can't really build deep expertise in until you set yourself up so that you're solving were staring at dealing with the same types of problems over and over again and that's when you start to see my friend david baker. Who do the podcast where he talks about pattern recognition. That's when you start see patterns everywhere that's what you really become a subject matter expertise when you starting to see the patterns. So we have this universal problem among creative professional's or creative firms in that they tend to be too broadly positioned because it's what the the owner of the business really wants. And it's not. It's not like you'll burn in hell for having a kind of a generalist agency position. You're just going to make sales and marketing so much harder because you invite so much competition really hard for you to Stand apart from the crowd. It's hard hard for you to command a premium price. So we begin with the first step in. That is specializing so of all creative. People that you've spoken to in your many decades long Life as a consultant coach and as an author. What is the thing that push up against the most like. I understand that you conception. I'm playing one of them. That if i specialize it'll be easier for me to develop expertise to do the pattern recognition that you're speaking of. Yeah but why hold onto that idea so tightly looking you say to them so that they can finally let go of that and actually starts establish some expertise so the number one. Objection is If i specialize glare. I'm going to die of boredom that's the number of townships right. Isn't it yes. So i always say and i think this is in the book. It's the books eight or nine years old now so it's been a while since i've read. I think it's in the book. But i always say you're standing in a room full of doors and being a highly curious creative problem solver. You wanna know what's behind every door so you structure your business in a way that allows you to open every door and i'm standing over your shoulder and i'm saying no you need to pick a door you need to walk through and you need to never look back and you are convinced that on the other side of that door is one boring dray empty room where you're going to die of boredom but that's not what's on the other side of the door. What's on the other side of the door are more doors more doors than you can ever imagine not more door more doors So it's like crawling into a closet and having an open up into narnia. So you you think. The niche is going to be so small at suffocating but it almost never is the nisha just filled with other nieces and other places to go. And you'll soon realize that this the specialization. Whether you've chosen to specialize by a discipline or a market or a combination of them the specialization You won't live long enough to be able to explore everything in that little niche of of a business but you. You don't see that from the outside you don't see that until you walk through the door i say so. Let's say i'm drinking the kool aid. Now i'm ready to go to more door or more doors more doors. And then what do i need to do. Because i understand conceptualize. Let's specialize or do. I need to do now. Yeah and i. I want to offer a caveat. Because i know you're you're reaches is global and there are a lot of young creative professionals. Some who are still in design school or just out just launching their practice. And you need to take that first step of specialization with a grain of salt in the beginning because in the beginning of your career your career should kind of look like this where you have this all this variety and then over time you specialize so when you're young it really makes sense to get a breadth of experience and try different things and go down different alleys and try to take different specializations and weave them together and just try your hand at a whole bunch of different things. I think it can be a mistake to specialize too early so once. You've once unless you you get into you just see an opportunity and you think wow. There's a whole bunch of white space here. Nobody's going after it. Then it makes sense to go after that but generally speaking. I think when you're young you should explore a lot and then you should focus and now it's just set up the answer to your question but i've forgotten the question so well the the question was i want to specialize now. I'm a couple years out of school. I'm hearing what you're saying. It's going to benefit me. Pricing communication marketing all. That kind of stuff. Yeah what what steps do i. How do i start. how do i start. Yeah so the first thing. I would do is what i would call a fast track strategy exercise which is with a con a time constraint driven exercise just write down on a whiteboard or a piece of paper the opportunities that you see in the market. So where do you see. Unmet need and don't limit yourself to don't think if you're a designer and you're thinking of opening a design firm or or you have opened a design firm don't limit yourself to this business model of fee for service for designed just like where do you see business opportunities in the market and don't even worry about whether or not your skill sets match that opportunity. Just throw your day you probably from time to time. Think us this. This isn't designed very well or somebody should do offer a service that does this. It's sorta or so. What are those things. And what are the trends that you see in the market business wise that might lead to some opportunities and then just explore that for a bit. Then if you've been able to chart out some some white space some business opportunity in the marketplace then you just start thinking around that so that's kind of an easy first step but really when you get down to it you you so. When most creative firms endeavor took position themselves so that they are specialized in the club are able to claw back more power in the buy sell relationship. The first mistake they make is they see it as it a linguistic exercise so they they go in search of language that will allow them to do what they've always done for the people of the market that they've always served in just a new more compelling way so the first step by have them do as i strip away language. i say without using any adjectives. I want you to define your future positioning in. Two boxes disciplined for market. What are you going to do and who you're going to do it for and you can't do full full sentence just disciplined for market and then try that on and then read that out to people. What do you think of a firm that does this for this discipline for that market. And then what's your ever arrived at something that feels good to you. And then you can start to put the kind of use your creative powers your powers of language to to make that offering more compelling but if you skip the first step of just articulating a discipline and a market and then asking questions around okay. Does this feel like this is meaningfully different are do you think we can carve out kind of an expert position in this. If you skip that step. You're just going to be left with meaningless language. the first step really is even though. You can use other frameworks. But i really liked this idea of discipline for market and that's that's That should that you should view this as an exercise in sacrifice. So it's really about if if if it's disciplined for market going forward there are all kinds of implications around what you will no longer do the one of the tests that you should apply to whatever positioning decision. You come up with is i. i believe is are you afraid is the decision that you've written out on paper and you try it on your considering it is it. Is there some level of terror around you building your business around this narrower value proposition and the terror obviously comes from the vast hordes of business that you would be walking away from because if there's no terror you're probably not doing it right. I say see have to be afraid. Yeah okay good. Good twenty okay. I think that's a good way to start looking at this. I just wanna let you guys know. then burns is also in the room and jonas cutting this and they're reading your comments guys. Just hang in there. I got a couple more questions. We have three hundred ninety nine ish people watching live and i expect this number to grow as we continue on in our dialogue here. So let me ask you this next one. I was just doing a livestream kind of just barely got here in time. Which is this is that created. People have difficulty talking about money. We know what one of the rules are. It's we will address issues money early. Yeah can you get into the psychology of maybe why people have a hard time talking about money and maybe some tips that you can give to help people. It's cultural Were you know. Probably in most cultures in the world were taught that it's implied to talk about money. So there's two kind of universal mistakes around The idea of talking about money. The first mistake is The extrapolation of that kind of personal moray. I suppose it is Or rule this idea that we don't talk about money and a personal context extrapolating that to business And the second one is well. It's kind of it's a. It's a kerala. I at the idea that in in In business around the world regardless of the culture it seen as a lack of business acumen and inability to talk about money is seen as a lack of business acumen so first of all we confused you know the things that are mothers taught us about not talking about money. We confused that personal contact with the business context. And we don't appreciate that if you're sitting in a meeting and it's time to talk about money And you can't do it. You lose a little bit of face a little bit of authority and perhaps a little bit of respect from the from the client and at the end of the day you're in business you have to make money you have to earn a profit beyond the salary that you pay yourself because it's proof that the world needs what you do so if you can't talk about it. This is the wind without pitching rule of money. If you can't talk about it you won't make it okay. Okay so money culturally bad. Maybe and we can't talk about it but in business if you don't talk about it you're seen as not very savvy business person yan hall and you can't beat around the bush it's like what what's gonna cause. Yeah and if you can talk about a- Even your client is a little bit uncomfortable talking about money sometimes so if you can be the party who puts the subject on the table. There's it's not all a power play in these situations but sometimes these little things count so you being the the party more comfortable talking about money in a situation like that. That's worth something right. That's there's a lot of signaling. They say economists use the term singling. All of the message that's communicated in price and there's a lot of signaling around just the ability to speak confidently about money and if i think of the best business development people that i know one of their traits is just the ability to say five million dollars the same way they would say five thousand dollars. The size of the number coming out of their mouth does not affect how they behave doesn't affect their tone their emotions their heart rate doesn't go up and Nobody's born being able to do that. That's something that you have to master over time. You just have to get comfortable with it. So the reason we avoid conversations is well. We've talked about kind of the reasons we think it's. It's it's culturally wrong. It's also difficult but we find money conversation stressful and it's important to remember what the source of stress is. Stress is caused by the things that you don't do or the things that are out of your control and these money conversations aren't out of your control so the reason find money. Conversations stressful is because we're avoiding them so if you want to learn to not be stressed out by money conversation then you train yourself to just speak about money as early as possible early and often. Okay you're from a small town in canada. Canadians are known for being super polite house at this little. You know this guy from canada is gentlemen from. Canada can talk about money and teach others to talk about money. Did you have to overcome and tools to develop. Yeah i first of all i. I don't understand why. Canadians are thought to be more. I believe americans in my experience. I think americans are far. More than kennedy's yeah. Okay let's go down this path yet. Have some observations when i come to united states and the border crossing iva visa allows me to work here. I'm completely grateful to be in your country and to be allowed to work in this country and it's always just from the moment i hit the border. We call each other sir. And ma'am and i i think it's i think it's a wonderful wonderful thing and we you would. Nobody would ever call you sir. Or ma'am in canada ever. So we don't. We're not the niceties. The politeness of the initial exchange. When people meet in america are far. Nicer are far far more polite waterdown far more polite in america. Yeah then they are in canada. And i think canadians get a reputation for being nice. Just because maybe we're a little bit. We're not so much nicer we're not politer. We might even be more cynical. And maybe just meeker i dunno. Okay okay this is not congruent with my own experience. I have to say okay. So let me just share from the outsider's perspective. And maybe i just meet all the nice polite canadians. There's image justin trudeau very sensitive thoughtful. Yeah where he talks. And then there's trump who's like blasting things out and if that's representation. It's not a fair comparison. It's not fair. But like i'll say this. I remember one time. I was in toronto. Going to the bathroom just running running out like even the homeless guy was like. Hey i'm sorry. excuse me. so what's okay. We say sorry a lot. That's the canadian thing. People confuse that with politeness. I think it's just the lack of vocabulary. What else to say. So how did i. How did i learn to deal. Here's some little tricks. I am fond of saying. I think the single biggest little thing that you can do to become a better salesperson is to embrace. Silence is to kind of win the battle for silence. You don't even. I used to say master silence. You don't have to master because you just have to be better more comfortable at silence. Then your your partner. The person you're talking to you because nature really truly does abhor vacuum. Like it really. It really does when you look into the physics of it like you. Create a vacuum matter starts to appear from nowhere so it truly a vacuum and it's the same as a social or business conversation so if you deliver an objection or price really big price. I'd say you draw. Drop the price bomb. It's a really big number and the client can't hear what you say next because he just here's this ringing in his ears. That's a good thing and what you to do in that moment is just not saved the client from himself. Just let him recover and sit there comfortably because When you deliver a big price or an objection you asked the client overcome or you an obstacle of any kind or you say no In a certain situation and if you can just stop and let the client fill the space instead of you you will gain so much information about where you stand with that client and we look in the sales world we if it's if it's us on the selling side who fills the fills the void the uncomfortable void of silence. We typically fill it with words like but we do it for less right so just bite. Your tongue admire your cubicles admire the color of the the walls count to ten under your breath. Whatever you have to do recite baseball statistics to yourself. Whatever you have to do just be quiet and let the client speak. I if you can just do that and i. It's the single biggest little thing you can do. Because it's actually really easy to learn to do. It's uncomfortable the first time. It's less uncomfortable. The second time by the fourth or fifth time you're gonna love it and you will just sit you will save yourself from yourself by learning to just state the number and shut up until the last week. Okay actually i was islands. Who's gonna wait. I i can be uncomfortable in comfortable in it. We've now shot up to five hundred. Thirty four p- people watching live so we picked up another one hundred and thirty blair's something must be happening here. That's over half of my hometown watching their on support right now. Okay here we go. This is a question from slidell. I've not even read it before but too many people voted this up. This comes from stefan. Excuse me he's asking in value conversation. How do you measure the success. You are promising. Which are the safe guarantees. You can make order to convince the client so it's a two part It's a complex stefan. Thank you very much for starting off with an easy one so in the value it so there's a lot to unpack here so in the value conversation. The value conversation is the part of the sale where you are endeavouring to uncover how much value you might create for the client and then what your fair share of that value creation might be in the form of confidence compensation. So tell me again. What the two questions are. How do you measure the success. You're promising so there's there's no one answer or easy answer that question and as part of the value conversation framework there are some steps that you go through to. You should be uncovering the kpi's right so the first step of the value conversation is to find out what it is. The client wants we call it. The desired future state so desired future state should include. You know what are the corporate needs and also what are the ones that the individual so you find that you determined that and then the second step is to try to put metrics around that so you'd say to the client okay. If we were to help you accomplish these things. Let's talk about the kpi's Key performance indicators or metrics of success what are the things that will measure. that will prove that you've achieved. What it is you want. So there's no universal answer to your question because in each value conversation you should be uncovering those kpi's and essentially if you make bullet points of everything that the client wants to be true in the future after the engagement. Not every one of those items will translate to a kpi you. You won't be able to get to a quantifiable metric for every one of them but you try your best so again. There's no one answer that question but you should be uncovering essentially your own answer to the question. In every conversation there was a second part. What was the second part is. What are the safe guarantees that you can make in order to convince the client comes up a lot. So conceptually people do understand the value based pricing. They don't know how to go about it. Yeah but the the thing that they fear the most is like will once we say. We're held accountable to something. Oh what can we do in terms of the promise. So the safe guarantees. That's an oxymoron. Right if if you are offering guarantees inherent in that concept is the idea of you taking on risk. You're taking risk away from the client. That's the guarantee through the guarantee in your taking on yourself. So peter drucker the father of management consulting written sixty books and he's there veritable quote machine. He's no longer with us. But his best quote that i that i drop every time i speak is in business. All profit comes from risk. So if you really want to get to that level next level of profitability beyond being kind of inefficient firm. Where you're you hit a certain utilization rate where you're billing many of your hours as possible if you want to get to the next level. You really need to structure the ogden gauge moment. Where you are taking some risks so the idea of safe guarantee you need to let go of that because the very nature of guarantees means they're not safe or not safe for you. So how do you and again Maybe we didn't hit this point so for the first time. Pricing in a customized services firm. So like when without pitching as a training company the futures are trading company. We have kind of menu for our pricing right. You can whether it's on the website or not. Somebody's interested in something. There's a price that everybody pays for. The most part and those prices are public. And that's that's the nature of a product or a productized services. Business that is built for scale most of you listening and watching. Your business is a customized services firm. It's not built for scale. Therefore you should see yourself working with a small number of clients at any one time. Each of those engagements should be unique to the client and not built on your standard processes or the standard packages that you sell and each of those engagements the pricing of each of those engagements the structuring of the proposals and the pricing. That is a creative act. It is a unique creative. Act that you will not recreate for another client. That's the way you should think about it. So the answer is always different and again the so the kpi's are always different and You know the idea of a safe guarantee you need to let go of it but you you would never put forward if you wanted to guarantee your your anchor option. Your most expensive option. You would never put forward a guarantee that you weren't comfortable with that represented a level of risk for us. Your business that you weren't comfortable with and you would never put forward a guarantee where the conditions did not allow you some oversight into the or transparency into the client's business or the ability to affect variables so as an example. Let's say you're thinking putting forward a marketing digital marketing proposal to prospective client and You're thinking oh all goes. Well we could create a couple million dollars in profit So maybe on maybe your most expensive anchor option is going to be have some level of guaranteed. And you're gonna you're going to propose to get paid for on the basis of a profit share essentially You you might tie the ultimate your payment to the ultimate lagging indicator. Which is the indicator where you look back to see if you're successful rather than a leading indicator which is a predictor so lagging indicators are always financial so you might tie them to sales but if you don't have if you're being hired to generate leads and you have no ability to impact conversion rate closing rate of the salespeople etc and you're worried that your good work is going to go down in flames because of variables out of your control. Then it wouldn't. It would not make sense to offer a guarantee based on. Kpi of sales you would build your performance pay and taught your take risk around the number of leads generated or something that you did have the opportunity to control time for a quick break. But we'll be right back with more from blair hans. 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Ben how are they this message right now. I'm just curious but they are really hung up on. That profit comes from risk. Oh yeah yeah okay well you think about it okay so so you i'm going to quote my friend david c baker again. He says You get you get paid for three things in your business. You get paid for what you do and that should really be your salary right so you show your essentially you start a business. You've got the job of ceo you pay yourself With the euro salary what you imagine it should be and so you earn that for through your effort through showing up to work through doing the things that you are making the decisions that you do and the ideas if you were to shut your business and go work for somebody else you would earn roughly that amount somewhere else because you're getting paid for what you do but you also get paid for what you own. And that's let's just put that aside that the third more meaningful one. Is you get paid for the risks that you take so you imagine that back to truckers idea And the prophet is comes from the risk that you take so back there drucker idea. You imagine that your your client is sitting there. And they're looking at the market and they've come up with an idea for a new product or service and they're thinking of investing all of this money and taking a whole bunch of risk to try to make money by going to the market and going after this opportunity that they've identified in the market so they're about to take a whole bunch of risk and then they decide they need to hire a firm like yours and part of what you when way to think about this is they are hiring you to help. Help them to help take away. Some of the risk of actually capitalizing on the market actually succeeding in the market. They are taking on all of this risk. And if they're successful they'll make this money And the risk taking on is they're investing their time. They're investing their money in this situation. They've got the risk of opportunity. Cost the other things that they could do with this money. So they are taking this risk in the market. Then they hire you and you need to imagine that Or understand that part of what they want you to do is take some of that risk away and they're willing to pay you some more money in order for you to take some of that risk away and some of those clients want you to take is much risk away as possible and they will pay you a lot of money and other clients really want you to perform a service and they don't need you to take very much risk away and they wanna pay you less money. So there's those we tend to think of those as price buyers and the first group has value buyers. there's not a direct correlation but it's pretty close so the profit comes to risk it's about it's so now speaking fast and trying to cover your let me back up and other concepts. There's nfc tweeted this the other day. I i've bastardized this from a few different sources but it's really powerful idea. There are two levels of success in business. The first level you get there through the tools of hard work and saying yes to everything so when you're young back to positioning you should work really hard and you should say yes to every opportunity that comes your way and that will get you to the first level of success. Where you're you've got validation from the market people are paying you to do what you do. You're earning profit beyond what you would've earned in just a salaried the second level of success requires you to let go of those tools of hard work and saying yes because those tools. Not only don't get you to the second level. They become the barrier to the second level. And the longer you're the first level the harder it is the more of these habits of hard work and saying yes to everything getting grade. The harder it is. Let go of this. So the second level is about well. I'll simplify it. It's really about taking risks. So i wrote about this in pricing creativity. My wife who is my business partner will say oh look at zone. So she's very successful. She must work very hard. And i immediately say no. She must take a lot of risk hard. Work gets you at some point. You know building the future at some point. You work hard in the beginning but at some point you've got to decide. Am i going for it right. Am i going to invest a whole bunch of time and money. Am i gonna keep pouring money back into the business. And that risk is going to pay off or it's not going to pay off so you get to the second level through risk or i sometimes say innovation which i see as a combination of creativity the ability to see opportunity and risk the the willingness to go for it so so that replaces hard work and then you replace saying yes to everything with saying no to almost everything. And that's how warren buffett quote is the difference between successful people and really successful people is really successful. People say no to almost everything okay so the two levels of success in other words. It's like what got you to. The first level of success is the exact opposite of what you need to. What got you here won't get you there. Yes it's almost an inversion of the two principles so when we're young and we're starting out. We should work hard. We should say yes to just about everything because that's where we're going to experience things and we start to develop profit and we established our name reputation and market validation all those kinds of things but this is where the big struggle comes in. I think blair we hold onto that. Those patterns of success are the things they do must from taking the risk. Yeah you got it. How do you help people with that. While some of us are hardwired for saying yes and and working hard I'm fortunate that i'm not hired for either. Those so the first level of success was harder for me than the second level. Perhaps how do you. Oh i don't know how you you just keep hitting people confronting people with the issue. Then you know one of the principals. I talk about in pricing. Creativity is the idea that The pursuit of efficiencies comes at the cost of extraordinary prophet. So as you try to become more efficient efficiencies is about not wasting resources so you work harder and harder and you don't waste time you're usually tracking time if you're pursuing efficiencies in your firm. You're almost always doing timesheets. You're almost tracking time. You're almost always trying to hit this threshold of billable efficiency where you're billing sixty percent. Some people use sixty five but the threshold of respectability is about sixty percent of all of the time available from everybody in the firm. Knowing that only some people will be billable and others won't but you add up all their time us sixteen hundred or eighteen hundred hours per year per person. Add it all up and see how much you're billing and try to increase that amount now. The longer you play that game the harder becomes to make a whole make real money because as you pursue efficiencies what you're doing is you're squeezing the waste out of the business and the other end of the spectrum from efficiencies innovation so efficiencies the elimination of waste an innovation is inherently messy and wasteful so as you eliminate waste you eliminate the freedom for people to put their feet up on the desk innovative new approaches. Something you're doing for a client that you've never done before you need the freedom to fail. You need the room to hiv rate. And when you're running an efficient shop your people don't have that kind of room We must be one of the most innovative companies on the planet. Because there's a lot of failure going birds for yes we are. Yes we are. I wanted to say. Thank you to chris from this design life from doing the super chat. He's saying excellent information. Thank you the future dot. So there's something nice going on there we're now up to six hundred and forty two. Wow can we exceed the population of your town by the end of the streaming guys. So it's eight. Eight hundred seventy six seventy sixers number. We're looking for ladies and gentlemen. Let's get there now. i'm gonna go back to slide over here. I'm writing so fast on heart. Heaven hearts. I got an it having a hard time. Managing the comments reading them writing notes. That can do the summary and listen to you at the same time. This is really testing me right now. All right okay. So here's a question. From jordan got sixteen up votes on slide show. How do i estimate the value created for a client. Parentheses client will increase revenue by one million dollars per year. Do we ask for twenty percent of that one million dollars. How do i estimate this. So it's not the you've estimated the value you're trying to determine what your share of that value should be in the form of pricing and yes compensation so that's a really good question and i do not have a satisfactory and all the time. Okay so i'll give you a little bit of framework to think about the answer. And then i'll give you a tool that you can use to try to get the theoretical maximum so as an example of like just some of how different people think about that. Problem alan weiss who wrote Million dollar consulting and value-based fees He's got his chapter on the value. Conversation chapter five. He says if you only read one chapter abyss. He says he gets asked that question all the time. Okay you've uncovered the value that you might create for the client. What what should your cut of that value be and his response. If i'm if i'm going by memory here so i might be getting a little bit wrong. But his response is there's no right answer. There's no right answer. there's no right answer. there's no right answer. Start at twenty percent and work from there. He basically says this. You don't need a number but if you're gonna pick pick twenty percent and start from there so if it's two million in profit four hundred thousand now that so rudimentary. That is just a starting point because every price and if you're following the model in pricing creativity you're putting forward options so you're putting for three or four different options and every price you put forward to your client will have an uncertainty discount built in so the more the higher the level of certainty that you will deliver on the value generally speaking the higher the price. So it's not it's not enough to say start at twenty percent and alan waste knows this he just wanted to give people a place to start from anew from move from there so so you can think of twenty percent another example. I'll give you some boutique. Consulting firms lake. Some offices of mackenzie will if they uncover and a conversation that they can create two million dollars a year in recurring net profit. Their fee they generally propose would be half of the first year's gains revenue gains cost reductions the value creation. So a million dollars. So that's just a. That's a bit of a generalization. I'm not saying everybody at mckinsey. Does this all the time. But i've i've seen examples of it and heard of many of examples of it others follow that lead so now you have two examples. One says twenty percent for maybe the guaranteed or the the high anchor option that's got some level of guaranteed and the other would be fifty percent and then i said i would give you a tool and then talk about this in pricing creativity as well. It's a technique known as anchoring against guaranteed value. And it's not a mandatory step. It's a tool that you might use to see if you can't uncover the theoretical maximum. The client might pay so after you uncover the clients desired future state the metrics of success the value that might be created. Then you move to the fourth and final step which is to set pricing guidance. And if you use that you really looking to set a range and the client might set the low end of the range by giving you a stated budget and if not you just ask them what you want on the low end but you always start with the high end. So you can use this technique known as anchoring against guaranteed value. And it might sound something like this. Listen if i if i could guarantee you that we created a two million dollars in net new profit year-over-year would you the open ended. Question is what would you be willing to pay for that. But i think you should use a closed ended question and say pick it fifty percent of the gains. Would you be willing to pay us. A million dollars silence and that question if i could guarantee results would you pay x. Begs the question. Doesn't it if you're the client you're sitting there thinking. Well are you saying you're going to guarantee this blair in my answer is no. I'm not saying that. In fact i haven't even thought about solutions yet. Just a hypothetical question. It's possible that when i go back to the studio and we start putting together solutions. It's possible that i might see an opportunity for a guaranteed solution and if and it would feel comfortable about it. And if i did i'll put it forward but so if we did arrive at a guaranteed solution would you pay a million dollars and the client might say. Yeah if you could guarantee it. I'd pay a million dollars okay. Great you've served a few purposes here. You've you've anchored the high end of the range and and And the client's thinking okay. You're you're probably not going to guarantee this and you're thinking i'm probably not going to fully guarantee this but you've set like a theoretical maximum so any price that you come up with afterwards you just work back from that million and ask yourself kind of subjectively. Now how close to like guarantee or how close to absolute certainty. Do we think this solution that we've come up with gets. Are we seventy five percent of the way there maybe priced at seven fifty make sense. Yeah makes a lot of sense. I guess in my experience working with most entrepreneurs they too are comfortable with some level of risk. Therefore they're not going to pay you ninety to one hundred percent of the value gained so twenty to forty or fifty percent seems pretty reasonable relatively speaking because they they to own some of the risk and therefore won't give you all the money. Yeah you make a good point you know. Some of your clients will be entrepreneurs and some will be at the other end of the spectrum. they'll be bureaucrats and they won't want to take any risk at all so when you're putting together your options in your proposal you really want to think about what. The clients level of risk is so in your experience in consulting for people that if they work with government agencies and bureaucrats that they can actually ask for more of the What is it Guaranteed value inquiry against guaranteed value. No oh okay no so. We talk about the value conversation and talked about the four step framework s It's really hard to have a value. Still worth trying. But it's hard to have a meaningful conversation with somebody who's remits does not include value creation. So if you're dealing with a bureaucrat. Or a manager peop- managers manage people processes and budgets And they're not really in charge of the future right. So they're not in charge of it's only executives who are in charge a future value creation so executives and entrepreneurs love being on the receiving end of evalu- conversation bureaucrats. You might get talking about value but the whole time they're saying but my my budget is fifteen thousand dollars right so they they won't really be drawn on that conversation because they think the value who cares about value. I deliver this project on time on budget or i. I'm in trouble so you'd need to recognize that it's a more valuable tool when you're dealing with more senior decision maker or an entrepreneur. So i i know the answers is so the person that you need to talk to you. You're gonna have the value. Based conversation is somebody who's got skin in the game an executive skin in the game or who's in charge of future value creation. Yeah okay fantastic. There's a lot of people loving this where it's seventy five right now. We're to keep pushing this up to burns to two hundred and you guys come on the our short guys get in on this right now. Bend burns. I'm turn it back to you. Because you're monitoring youtube what's hot. Yes so there's a couple of questions about providing the value that you promise. And i sense that there is a limiting belief here in the comments section about a we might not be able to provide the value that we promise you guys address. That i know blair can well if you can't provide the value that you promised. Maybe you should do something else for living. Well that's that's the glue. Where's my zinger assigned effect if you're if you're in the early part of your career or practice And you're listening to the stuff you you might just want wanna temper this down a little bit. The idea of you're still trying to get to the first level of success Go ahead and have the value conversations and then go back with your multiple proposal Your multiple option proposals. But don't don't put yourself in a situation where You're taking more risk than you're comfortable with. Okay so don't it's not. It's not like selling time is going to continue to hell or makes you a lesser person or a lesser business person. It's just it's a it's a it's Idea comes hooves written a few books value based pricing this. This idea that you should view your client base as an investment portfolio and if you have an investment portfolio and if if you're working with financial advisor that financial adviser in most jurisdictions certainly north america. They have a legal obligation to discern. Map your risk profile before they sell you any investments and so they might decide that through some sort of assessment that they've that you have a moderate risk profile like a medium propensity for risk. Now they're free to sell you. High risk investments and low risk investments but with their obligation is to is to make sure that the total package of investments balances out to meet your risk profile. And you wanna think of your client base the same way so you might be in a place where either it's the early stages of your business or the last stages of your business in your winding now and for whatever reason in the reasons are all your own in their completely valid but you might be in a place where you're just do not have the appetite to take any extra risk so don't never put forward an option a proposal that would see you taking more risk than you're comfortable with. Its these. they're not going to get chosen. Those high anchor options with skin in the game aren't going to get chosen very often. There's a lot of signaling in that option to its communicates a lot of confidence that you're willing to be kind of business partner so it says a lot of good things about you that you're just putting that option forward but never put forward an option they you wouldn't be happy delivering on so at times when you're feeling flush you've got money in the bank. You've got all kinds of opportunities. You're feeling good about your ability to win new business and in an engagement comes along where you think. Wow this is in our sweet spot. I know we can really move the needle here. Those are the ones where you would think about putting some skin in the game. But it's not necessary to always have skin in the game even on your highest price and corruption. Perfect is burnt. He i got another question. Got other mike yet. Another mike okay. We weren't hearing you very clearly and the other one. Sorry about that so This question comes from the pro group. Her name's muskie and she asked what are some of the other ways that you assume risk as the service provider in value based pricing. Yeah what some of the well. It's the big risk their books on this. There's this idea that they're seven types of risk. Not all of them apply in your business like what physical risk doesn't apply in your business. The biggest one is performance risk Which is related to the clients. Financial risk those a toot of seen as two different types of risk. But it's essentially performance risk that you won't do That you won't do you won't perform therefore you won't get you earn everything that you hope to earn. And if it's a contingency payment where you said you don't pay us anything until we hit these metrics. That's the most risky option. You can put forward therefore you should get rich of the client selects that then then you lose everything so i'm not saying you Yeah so choose contingency payment With with you know at your discretion and at your risk. I think that goes without saying but another form of risk that you take is opportunity costs the idea that so when you when you value price and you have skin in the game. One of the things the client is not buying from. You is an a package of time. There is no conversation between you and the client around. How much time it will take you know. You've probably done some math around how long this will take you to to deliver and create the value. But you're no longer in a position to go back to the client if they've bought value rather than time time and materials were even deliverables if they're paying you to hit the value of certain number of leads or certain amount of profit then That's that all of that You let go of the ability to go back and say well. This is taking longer you. You can't do that. you have to eat it. So the there's this opportunity cost of opportunity causes. What are the other things you could do at that time or money so all these other projects that you could have been working on with this time because it's taking you so much longer and so those are the two main ones there's performance risk. You're not going to get the results. Therefore not get paid. There's the opportunity cost and then also financial risk because in certain scenarios you might actually end up. Investing a bunch of money and outside costs Or even just inside cost so. Those are the three main types of risks that you need to look out for great. I want to just do this thing here. In case you guys are joining us midstream. And you don't want to remind you to stay current with what's happening right now. You can participate in the live chat on the show today mr ends and he's written two books that i think are amazing and game changing for you guys. You definitely need to pick up the book. The win without pitching manifesto and pricing creativity. The follow up to that and if you want to join the conversations happening online you can either comment on youtube. But the more kind of democratic way to do it is join us on slidell dot com. Use the hashtag h two five six love having blur on the show and in a way i didn't want to have you on the show. Just admit it. Because i've been using your ideal so often that people credit me with your ideas and now here you are just saying almost exactly what i would've told them so now they're like. Oh my god. That's where you got problem with ron baker. That's where the source is. You guys have to go to the source blair. Can you tell us some ways that people can interact with you there loving the content. How do they engage with you. Besides buying the two bucks. Yeah so when without pitching dot com were training company. We do some public workshops. We do private training and coaching similar to the future So you can find us there. I'm at blair ends on twitter. I'm not on facebook Track me down every time and then you facebook. I get no love. Yeah no. Are you mentioning the i do. Sometimes i do. Yeah but the win. Without pitching logo shows up guys just for the for the heart of hearing there. We go thank you joan. He's missing the there. Where's the communist. Manifesto donald donald. I'll bring that up in a second win. They have that ready to go no matter what we should do that with a split screen the communists blair and the capitalist blair anyway without pitching dot com. Go there check it out. And he's at blair ends. There's two ends in. That blur ends. And he's only gonna respond to you on twitter. Apparently been wasting all energy on facebook. Okay now i'm gonna ask you. This question people struggle with this so much. They're so used to doing hourly based pricing. The are intrigued by the value. Base thing but they feel guilty they feel. It's unethical to charge in orders of magnitude more than what it costs to make something i would love for you to just definitively just answer wanted. Just put this one to bed. Yeah get over it like the canadians are not that belies here. Let's just extrapolate okay. So at the beginning of your career you get hired to do x and it takes you. Why number of hours to do x. charge Said are we as a country music country the last letter alphabet z. z. I can never remember so. I'm azad country years you country so z. Price per hour so in the beginning. You're a generalist or you're not very experienced and it takes you a certain amount of time as you get better. What you're saying here is might by inference. You're saying that it's okay for me to raise my hourly rate But i think we all agree that as you get better what you do you can do it faster. So what you're saying is you should be punished for getting better at what you do. That is absolutely ridiculous. It's absolutely absurd and so we we need to appreciate what value is values entirely subjective and different people value things differently. And you how how people you know how value is created in the world is through trade. How people are lifted out of poverty. The world over is through trade and trade at the heart of trade. Is this idea of the double. Thank you moment where you hand over the work to the client. The client hands over the money. You both shake hands and say thank you. You both mean it. You're both better off. You are both do that transaction again. Your costs have nothing to do with that transaction. Your obligation is for you. You want to strive for that double. Thank you moment where you have created this exter- ex you want to be focused on extra ordinary value creation for your client. You wanna create extra ordinary value. You want to get paid an incredible amount of money for it but not so much that the client resents you right so where that where that line. Here's value creation. And he you know. Here's your share of it. In the form of compensation like at some point your price will get so high. And it's going to vary client by client that there will be some pushback. You don't wanna be at that where they'll say. Okay thanks next time. i'm going with somebody else. If you can hit that sweet spot of thank you. This was a. I'm paying you a lot of money but it was worth it. I would do it again. That's all that matters. This idea of like time is isn't even real right. Let's not put a price on time. It is a human construct outside of like. It's just i tell myself. Don't talk about the going with this. It's not even real so like the idea that you're trying to capture it and bill for at cetera. The only reason we do this is it's the easiest thing to count and it's just it's so highly flawed now. I'm not trying to talk people out of selling time. Those are selling time. But the idea. And i see this argument all the time when people move to value based pricing. There's always somebody in the firm who says it's unethical for us to charge that because it didn't take us that long. You need to let go of that ridiculous idea if your client's willing to pay for it and you are creating value well beyond that. It really doesn't matter what that number is. It doesn't matter how long it took you to arrive at okay. This brings up so many issues. So i'm going to dig in because i've had this conversation online with lots of people so they say okay. Fine you get better with time. Just charge more per hour. What's wrong with that. isn't that the same. It's the same. But it's so limiting you think of so i don't wanna be overly harsh but i've had already. I'm going to get the shocking ready that there are There are if you think of your best. Your very best clients clients clients sitting there and says chris i have this problem. I'm like thinking of your firm to help you capitalize on this and and Problem is like sales are going down and I don't know what to do. And i'm worried about kind of worried about the survivability of the business etcetera and you say okay. i'm going to sell you a lead generation Plan and we're gonna put These four people on. We're going to sell you. X. number sprints or we're going to sell you a certain amount of time the client you know any right thinking especially an entrepreneurial clients going to look back at you go. I don't think you heard what i said. I'm not like buying a bunch of hours of your time. I have a very serious business problem. If i don't solve this problem i'm out of business. So there are three things you can price and sell and therefore three things your client can buy from you. You can sell the inputs of time and materials you can sell the outputs or the deliverable or you can sell the outcomes or the value created and in a situation like that where you have a client who has a real problem. They're really worried about the About the consequences of this. They don't want to buy your time. They don't even want to buy your deliverables. They want a partner and we use this term all the time and it's just bullshit We talk about parting with our clients. You you only partner with your clients if you put your skin some skin in the game compensation wise but in this situation that client wants partner wants somebody who's going to sit down and not be thinking about time and not be constrained by deliverables but who's going to come to the table with them and help them solve this problem and turn this business around so the idea that there's some sort of ethics around how long it takes to do it. It's it's just so wrong. It's so bad it's so limiting. It's like you're you're never really truly going to help people if you keep thinking that way. I'm not trying to beat up. The questioner. Like the. Because i i get that question a lot. I'm just trying to forcibly as i can. Well still being loving and saporta make the point that you really need to let go of this archaic idea. It is not helping. You is not helping your clients now. Some clients just want to buy time from you and if you're okay selling time than just sell them some time but this idea that it's unethical now crazy okay. So let's say we've moved beyond this and say. I have a team an estimate the time it's going to take to do it and say four or five people so we're advancing here. We're not the freelancer selling ours anymore. And by my best guesstimate. It's going to be anywhere between twenty to thirty thousand in. If i'm not familiar with this value based pricing thing that i'm going to think to myself what's a reasonable amount of prophet so you might say. Thirty percent forty percent and that's their mindset. Yeah and how do you deal with that. Yeah and it's that's tied to the issue that we just talk so some people think that there's a unethical level of profit beyond level beyond which is really ethical. It's kind of understood in the creative professions that in efficient firm the threshold of respectability is kind of fifteen. To twenty percent profit margin pretax profit margin But are firms out there doing forty and fifty percent and on some engagements. Doing you know ninety percent ninety-five percent. I remember when i was a solo consultant way back in the early days the most profitable engagement i ever had as i had a client. Pay me thirty five hundred dollars to get to an outcome and got it in twenty minutes so ten thousand dollars. An hour is that ethical. He was happy. I was happy. You got the double thank you. Yep okay he never did. Hire me again. Though so another question for you is. This is that i think creative. People aren't so excited about value. Based thing because i think were uncomfortable with you mean the aesthetic decision that i make can actually have a measurable impact and i think that's where people get tripped up because in school for the most part designers creatives are trained to be good craftspeople and make amazing things. Many hours are spent refining in perfecting something so the it gets really scary for them to say. I'm going to go out of business. Do something drastic their way out of their element at that point. Yeah and you know. And i completely sympathize. I mean that's why i do what i do. I'm sure you tap into a similar sense of purpose. I always think of. I would think of the individual artists who's made his or her Calling his or her business. And you're not like you didn't really sign up for this right and you go design school. There's no business education in design school. Like why is the future. Your business like exploding all over the world like you're are everywhere i go in the world. People are taught people are talking about the the a training that they're getting from your youtube channel and other sources and it's i speak design schools as i know you do and it's like they keep saying how come we're not being not being taught this in school so i mean i just show to you like feeling the there's such a massive demand for this in the world and i to this day i don't know why design schools aren't stepping up. But you know what they don't need to they don't need to the future is here right design. Schools can focus on design and and these guys can get their business education elsewhere. What was your question was just busy blowing. Smoke up the bill for that. Got hot in out of my backside. You guys you can blow all day long. We'll make time for that like there's this massive massive unmet need in the world. yes there is so you're like the the creative person back to value there so vulnerable in that moment right in the early days of the practice. And you're so what you your. Your solution is so personal. It's so it's your creation. It's your baby. Therefore rejection is entirely personal. Therefore you're you're so vulnerable and this moment so what i would say is if you're really struggling with this idea. Value based pricing. Just take it in baby steps like the their three rules in the in the book or six rules in the book follow the first three rules at very quickly. Generally wherever you can price the client not service. So don't don't have a standard price for whatever service right just because the price should differ from client to client just reserve the right to charge more to different clients and less to other clients. So that's real number one rule number to offer options so always put for three or four different ways that the client can hire you and you might think about. You know you can buy time for miss. You can buy the deliverable or you can. You can pay for the value that we create and we'll take some risk so but you don't have to do it that way. You can put three different options together that are based on price the inputs of time. Sorry based on the inputs of time and materials and then the third one is anchor high so in simple terms. When you're presenting your options just start with the most expensive one and know that they're probably not going to buy their probably end up in the middle. Just follow those three rules and you will get to the next level of pricing success. And then one day you'll be ready for true value based pricing guys tweeting away. It's insane. I can't keep up. I'm on my seventh page of notes right here and everybody's loving the conversation. We seem to be somewhere on six hundred seventy number of people come guys not gonna make it. We're not gonna make people come on. We're almost running out of time here. Okay i gotta ask you this question. This is a personal question. I believe this and dr. Please tell me if i'm okay. I believe this new matter. What amount the client agrees to pay me. I would deliver an excess of value. So i'm okay charging whatever amount it like to me. There is no limit. Today's the discounted rate for tomorrow so tomorrow their pay me million dollars. I will deliver one and a half million dollars worth of value. Am i messed up in my head. no you're not so you should. She should probably be paying delivering two million or more in value. I'm on the scale but there is related to that is the idea that creative people tend to over deliver. And that's something that you should learn to see. And i'm not saying you specifically chris but because that wasn't that wasn't exactly the question but if if that's you listening in watching if you think if you're proud of the fact that you over deliver like if you're if you're selling deliverables and you deliver more than what the client paid for okay. That's nice and in the early days of your business that's helpful to maybe helped build reputation client loyalty etc but if you put forward three options and the client chooses the middle option. You should not be delivering for free. Some of the options that were outlined in the most expensive option that the client not to take so. Be careful about over delivering I've seen so many scenarios. I remember being an eta sweeter client of mine in new york. He's doing corporate feldman. He's one of these guys who does six-figure corporate films for the fortune one hundred and he's proudly showing me a film and then he he He makes some comments of the editor about. Hey can you change. This can change that. And i don't know how much work it was may was another hour work and i said to my client. The agency principle. I sit is the client gonna notice those things and he said no. They won't notice at all. And i didn't say anything but my thought was then. Don't do it right. Yeah you have an obligation to deliver a high level of work but your clients only paid you so much. You've already met that bar going beyond is just now eroding your own profitability makes. Perfect sense is trying makes perfect sense. But i'm not sure i agree. No i agree. No super logical. It's just. I'm trying to channel the creative. People are listening to this. Where they're going to push facts like they. They they pay you to like just to do the details. They don't care about the undercarriage of the car. The nobody sees. They want to make sure that that's perfect. You'll get over that too okay. So what in the early days of your business. Your businesses like a rock and roll tour bus right. You hire your friends. Everybody's working late. It's like you've got the shared sense of purpose. It's i think. Talk about this in the manifesto. It's just the feeling is when you're all young and working hard and like barely making enough money and you're kind of winning the battles you celebrating the winds commiserating over the losses together. It's so much fun in the early days but at some point you're going to and and so you tell yourself on it's fun and we're cheating all these other benefits but the money's not quite there but the money will come one day and you kind of lied yourself as the years go by. Yeah it's not really about listen to your art school professor saying it's not about the money it's about the art it has to be about the money to kinda lied yourself for awhile and then one day you wake up you look in the mirror and youths. You have an honest conversation with yourself and you say to yourself. I'm tired of having fun. I finally wanna make some money. I promise you young people are watching this. You will get there so all these things. Are you think well i'll. i'm challenging. These look really conventions you are that were embedded in you an art school. You will see that. I'm right. I'm old enough. I'm a few seasons ahead on this on this. Show that you're watching that's called life. You will get there. You will see that i'm right. So what can we do to help to get them. They're just a matter of everybody's on their own journey. I think we just did. Okay right. I hope so. You know we you keep doing what you're doing doing what i'm doing there. Other people out there doing great work to you. Had jonathan stark on this on your podcast recently. there's there's there's just so much demand there's and there's a lot of great work being done out there so it's a great time to be running your own creative practice you've got youtube you've got all these other resources available to you like just imagine the people in the in the pre internet people my age in the pre internet era like we had to go to library and take books. What's very good question. i'm there with you. Believe i have my library card thing before amazon. Okay actually we're at seven hundred. Sixty three now blair. Why screen wasn't refreshing. The youtube audience was telling me hit refresh so seven sixty two. How much more time do we have with you. I know you have a soccer game. I have a very serious engagement. My team liverpool is play barcelona in the first leg of the champions league semi final when it's kickoff twelve noon twelve noon okay. Yeah and where are you going to watch at a pub or something. Yeah you can do it proper. I'm going to go to the The los angeles branch of the liverpool supporters club has a pub where they watch these things. Where's that It's in culver city. Oh okay so. We're going to wrap pretty soon because elliott traffic. I don't want you to miss this. We were able to get blair in before the most important thing that's going to happen today. So ben is there a fantastic question that we've been sitting on or go back slidell let's go to slide slide out my brother from another mother at slide. Oh here we go. This is from anonymous says twenty votes up. I think we might have answered this. But i'm going to ask it so you guys feel like i'm reading your comments here. How do i estimate the value based pricing for product where the client is launching a new product but doesn't know yet how much money it will generate so there are a lot of questions like this about how do i how do i how do i. Your job is really to uncover right. You facilitate the conversation. You ask the client so you learn to ask the right questions and it can be a little bit awkward at first and you get better at it as time goes by So you don't let let go of the let go of the need the you might feel to be the person with the answers when you're conducting a value conversation. You really need to be the person with the questions and you just bring a blank slate with no presuppositions of any kind. Bring curiosity and bring empathy and do your best and your and you don't have to be a slick polished salesperson. Just do your best human-to-human having the conversation you're trying to find out how you can best help. You're not even thinking about solutions. In this moment you just navigating this framework ask whatever question that comes to you if you have to back up and ask it differently later you have to call back later and ask differently do it. Just be be a comfortable human. Who fumbles and searches for the right words. And you'll you'll be fine. Let go of the need to be the subject matter expert in that moment. Just be focused on the client. What do you want. what will we measure how much value it might create. What would you be willing to pay for this. That was very healing. Blair you came in hot at the beginning tonio. Dallas communist manifesto player jobs bombs on your face. You'd be okay. We're not perfect. You're on your journey. Don't be an expert. everything's cool. Yeah those guys have a hard time with the rest of this. Just cut that audio check down put against some classical music and then just let it play on repeat. Is the reason why i don't coach anymore. I had a client say to me once as he was quitting the program. He said blair if there's a fine line between coaching and abuse and it's kind of funny but he was right and he was. I was i had crossed the line. What do you mean you don't coach anymore. I travel business on coaching. So i do onsite training and some public workshops but i have coaching staff. Who does the does the coaching And my director of coaching shannon lee is the most empathetic supportive person that you will ever meet so when people are exposed to me and to her they immediately gravitate to a. She has a little bit more of that healing energy. She's a human. Yeah okay excellent. then i have my wrap up. I need two minutes to wrap up. Sure i got another kind of question or blair. Is there anything you want to say. Yeah no hit me with the question. Okay there we go. Let's do it all right so tons of our audience or just starting out and there's a sentiment that values pricing might be too much for them at an early stage. Can you address that. Do you agree disagree I agree and so ignore almost everything i said. I attempted to address. That and second last question is just like. Don't don't take more risk than you're comfortable with one step at a time. Start with the first three rules of price. The client where you can offer options anchor high and that will get you to the next level of success. And then one day you'll be ready for moving into proper full-on value based pricing. And maybe you want and you're not going to end and it doesn't mean you're not going to be successful so now i just spent a couple of days with a whole bunch of agencies from around the world and there are people in their sixties. There have been running their agency for thirty five years. And they've never priced on value and they've made boatloads of money and had a lot of fun along the way and done a lot of really cool work. It's not like if you don't price and value you know your world's going to end there there. Many ways to get to the end game in this is just one of them. You got right okay. Before we say goodbye to blair. I'm going to attempt an admit. I was writing frantically. I might have screwed some of this up here. we go. we're in launch into summer. And then i'm gonna tell you how to get in touch with blair right afterwards. We're to say goodbye. So he can make his game all right. So here's what we know by specializing. You're more able to recognize patterns and this is a very important thing you need to do. This is expertise demonstrated by going broad. You invite competition and nobody wants more competition because then it becomes an issue price specialization. Allows you go deeper and unlike what you think. You're not going to deport him. It's actually going to open more doors for not more door. So the fast track way of figuring out your positioning and specialization is to get a rough working definition of what discipline for market and if you're reading it back to yourself and it doesn't make you scared you're not doing it right because you have to let go of things you have to make some sacrifices. When talking about money you have to learn how to be unemotional. This is a learned behavior. So whether you're saying or five thousand do it without changing your state say number and be comfortable in the silence if you have to count ten breath see what happens otherwise you're going to undermine your own efforts to price the value conversation is uncovering. Kpi's or in pricing creativity is described as desired future state and finding out what the metrics are. All profit comes risks. That's a quote from peter drucker. Who's gonna gazillion books. There two levels of success hard work especially in the very beginning of your career and saying yes to almost everything gets you there. The second level requires you to like everything that you learn from the first level and to take on risk innovation it's defined by either creativity where you have the ability to see an opportunity you take on risk and then conversely to stage one you say no to almost everything efficiencies about squeezing out the ways or as innovation is inherently messy and wasteful. You have to learn to fail. Fell forward and fell often coming up to the home stretch here because people couldn't catch it. Alan weiss believe wrote the book million dollar consulting and value-based fees somewhere in there. You remember the exact chaptered re chapter five when pricing try this technique anchor against guaranteed value. The what if. I could guarantee thou- come. Would it be worth this. And then you figured out later on the three models of pricing price on inputs which is time and materials outputs which is deliverables and outcomes. That's where the value based pricing comes from. And your job is to uncover and facilitate the questions through curiosity empathy. Blair's key three three things. Forget everything else in this entire discussion. If you can do these three things you can more value for yourself. Price the client and not the service provide options an inker. hi blair. it's been a pleasure to have you on the show. You guys blair ends giving around applause. Everybody win without pitching dot com twitter. Some summary i just wanna say. I love what you're doing and i'm so appreciative. I know there's so many people out there in the world benefiting from everything you're doing here at the future of keep going thank you so much flair joining us this time. If you haven't already subscribe to show on your favourite podcasting up and get a new inciteful episode from every week the future podcast hosted by christo and produced by me break Thank you to anthony borrow for editing and mixing this episode. And thank you to adam sandler for our music if you enjoyed this episode conducive favored by reading our show on apple podcasts. It'll help us grow the show and make future episodes of that much better. Have a question for chris or me head over to the future. Dot com slash. Hey chris and ask away. 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Ep. 101 Blair Witch (2016)

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Ep. 101 Blair Witch (2016)

"Welcome to the movies they Dan podcast might even cog granted I'm sitting here. With my friend and public tour author, John Hunt. If you enjoy what you hear here today, please subscribe to our Youtube. Channel, check with our facebook page and follow follows on both instagram twitter at Dan movies emails any questions comments suggestions to move is the damp at gmail.com. For further details on John's publish works. Please visit US bought. John Hunt Fiction Dot wordpress dot com. Today, we'll be discussing Adam win guards twenty sixteen found footage supernatural horror Blair witch. This is a direct. To the original Blair witch project and completely throws out the events of the actual secrets sequel the Blair witch part to. This movie follows the brother of one of the original characters for Blair witch project as a group of friends attempt to head back to the forest and find out exactly what happened to her. Soon things soon, go terribly wrong as it looks as if the Blair witch is again messing with the group in the end, they get picked off one by one with them ultimately dying again in the corners of the house. Thank you very much. The of the PODCAST SEAN small for recommending this one already laid my cards on a table at the end of last week's episode as far as what I thought of this movie but Jonah interest here, e- ethic should be good discussion John. Opening. Thoughts in the movie. So for sure I forgot that original I didn't forget but sequel to the original Blair witch wasn't a found footage. So should know, I should have known that this was a found footage I should up I didn't even occur to me. That was when you suggested it I'm like, okay well. Let's watch whatever right and Let's start off by saying I liked this movie I enjoyed this movie but I'm tired at of found footage films and Zombie films like I. I think we need to take a break from for a bit. No and I get what you're saying right because over the I I guess hundred and one episodes. Now, we've done a ton Azzam be movies. We've done a bunch of found footage movies and you have had those criticisms past I kind of like with a lottery style footage movies. It's almost as if you're kinda watching the same thing over and over again, the same jump scares over and over again So No, I'm perfectly fine with as kind of going in a new direction for some other movies but I'm actually happy to hear that you liked this movie it had some pretty good. Arm hair-raising moments which is. Unusual for me to say the least I don't I don't normally get. A win say scared but uneasy right so is uneasy in this one I don't hardly ever get scared. I can't remember the last movie that like I said followed me into into my bedroom where I, you know might have dreamed about it or thought about air couldn't go to sleep because of it. But this one certainly had some hair raising moments some tense moments and it was. Enjoyable to. Watch. and. I. Think I'm raising some some good horror fans because so watch this went to and she watched it as well. So as well as she watched the shining, right so all of us are kind of together. So this is getting to be pretty good I'm enjoying. Had Sophie seen the original Blair witch project? No. Okay. So I guess this is kind of a stand alone inside you. You didn't have to see I guess no, you didn't have to at all like if you look at it this way. So they kinda the kind of described what happened in the first one this one and why they're interested in going back investigating they didn't even need. At Full prior film for that because that's been the start of many different films, right? Oh, my sister lost here. My cousin got last year. You know what I mean and they all go and investigate it terrible things happen so. You didn't really need to see the regional in this case thought. No, you just said that perfectly really did it right this could have been a stand alone movie just about a brother who's just so driven to get answers about what happened to assist. You really didn't have to have the first one or like this one could have come out first and then they could have done a Prequel for the Blair witch project it you're right it's. A standalone moving. Sure I I thought. So anyways, here's an interesting point though. I thought. So this is what So he lost his sister when he was four years old right so she went missing when he was four. Yes and I was like, well, you know what type of attachment would you have four with? Do you remember it for right? And so in the weeds for discussing this and Like I say the yeah, obviously, you'd be curious. But I don't think there'd be such an emotional attachment. Or that emotional drive where you'd want to go investigate some sinister woods where your sister disappeared. You know doesn't have the same to me. anyways it has have the same physical. That would if like say You know your mother went missing. When you were like twelve years old because you've known for twelve years and. I, mean there's an attachment that formed in one that you remember. Whereas Four. You know one day your sisters there the next day she's not but then the years go by you remember less severe I don't. I don't know if it was for me. anyways a strong enough emotional attachment to WANNA go for curiosity's sake for sure. Curiosity Sake at the risk of danger I'm not so sure. All right I both. End Disagree with you at the same time no I completely I completely agree with what you're saying you're four He would have no memories of a sister and if he did, it would be like a fleeting memory. So you're right that connection wouldn't be there. However, he would have grown up in a home were maybe this has completely wrecked his parents. It is completely wrecked his upbringing and there's just so many unanswered questions. Maybe his parents are still torn up about it any wants to bring some closure to dump. So that's what's really pushing 'em. That's cool like and I appreciate that they didn't mention any of that in the film like he could have used that as motivation you know. He could have he could have said, know my parents still haven't recovered. They talk about this all the time they wonder what happened to her and to know they've spent money on private investigators whatever he could've added whatever light in there to show that. But they didn't. It was all about him as curiosity and in the kind of alluded to some sort of trauma which you know I don't want to dismiss any of that stuff because I don't know I really don't know. But. Yeah. I would think that you know at four the trauma would come from like you said watching the parents may be having to deal with this tremendous loss right where it wouldn't be actually from. Missing someone you don't really remember you know. Yet and I completely know what you're saying and and regardless what the true motivations were. I personally didn't feel like it was a bad decision to go investigate this. It wasn't. It wasn't a bad decision as in like all these guys you don't have to horror movies all the time. Oh. That was such a stupid decision. They had it coming to me these characters didn't have it coming day wanted to investigate this whether they were curiouser. There is that emotional connection regardless either or they decide to investigate this they go in as soon as things start to be weird they try and get out right away and they can't I know. I. Did I did mention I was talking to. Sofiane and allied, and when this when it happened to go look that's. That's really good. That's not a stupid decision something. Weird. Happened there like let's pack up. Let's go on like I'm on board with that. That's a great great decision. Exactly. I enjoyed that part you want to ask you to look you know how Forget to her the characters name Ashley. Cutter for her foot. Yes. So she cut her foot shed the fever in all that type of stuff going on right and. Something moved at the bottom of her foot remember that scene. I noted, it was a huge jump scare for me. I'd already seen this movie before but even watching it through again like it made me jump. Okay. Here's. Here's my question to you right so they made. It was elaborate. Part of the movie. She's walking in a river cuts her feet. She needs medical attention. She gets the medical attention to tell her to take it easy. and. As she's walking more and more like when they're trying to leave it's hurting her more. You keep your crack right somewhere cracked when she's walking. And then. So a lot of the stuff revolves around this injury to reflect than she's in the tent she's injured something moves under the skin of the at the foot. Boyfriend Kinda. Jumps out it dismisses it. Hot. My question is what did that have to do with this movie? Would that have to do with this movie? I get. Nothing. Came out of her. She wasn't possessed like what was the point of having something moving around under skin? And just having her killed off simply later on. With nothing, to do, with foot. Jump Scare I. Guess it was intended to to slow them down a little bit but you're right. It definitely was a side story. It wasn't a the main story and I can't argue with you that if you WANNA say it wasn't necessary that's fine. But but I think it added to the movie. So. If it's if it adds to the movie, then it's necessary but I think doesn't add to the movie when you you start aside story and just abandon it. Okay. And I can't argue with you other than the fact that I thought it did have a great jump scare for the viewers and I thought that maybe it slows them down a little bit. So they they they don't have a chance to get out of there although it seemed like impossible for them to get out he. I, think that had nothing to do with it nothing to do with it date retirement he got scared off on each other right yet I think it had nothing to do with it. like. For slum down purposes emmy I would agree that it provided in Irie. irie sense in the background may be a bit of a jump scare. I didn't jump at all but it was. I don't know just for me just like located. They put this in here I expected to come of it. It nothing did nothing in it so you Get what you're saying there, and the only reason it caused me to jump scare John is because when they ended up bandage I was expecting to see something really gross either was gonna be like a gross moment and then. They Kinda did the Switcheroo on me at least in instead of the gross moment, it was the thing move in and so that's what kind of startled me a little bit. And that's fine. It's just like, I. I'm kind of immune to those type of things when they. When they're UNWRAPPING. The. Bandage. Just like you GonNa see something gross or something's GonNa come out of the commodity cut like those the only two options like why they taken such a long time I wrap this why there yanking such attention to detail of this right so for us I've seen a bunch movies were that actually happens there's an injury. During a weird environment, something gets in and then you know something grows. Grows inside the injury and then comes out right. It's just just a staple to a lot of. subplot points in movies so Is. I was expecting something which is probably why didn't job you know? No no fair enough and I I can't argue with your point though as as to that it was story or anything like that but I guess it didn't ruin the movie for me this. Did. Not This was. The thing that I really liked about this Giannotti agree with me or not is that it was so similar to the Blair witch project but then also so different and it's so different in the fact of the almost like the Blair witch was able to manipulate time. And I found that very interesting and it was something that I remember when I watched this movie the first time when it came out a few years ago kind of really I don't want to say messed with me but it's something I thought about a lot afterwards about like the manipulation of time throughout this movie did that to anything for you I. that's the part that I liked about this movie that was like a unique. Unique twist to this whole this whole genre, right? So 'cause each. Each group of people when they're separated were experiencing different. Moments in time different speeds time. So yeah, I thought that was very interesting especially with lane, right? Like he he grew a full-on beard. In Farrah's seemed like a couple of like for the group of the characters I wasn't even complete night. You know what I mean in for him out. We've been wandering around for five days as what he says but. I noted that line it's been five days since we saw you the sun's not coming up like that line gave me the creeps I have the shivers when I just just reciting it now. So that I like that part it was very unique. It was very soon. Okay. I soccer. Maybe to you about this order. Might have been. Released, like so the Blair witch is is an older movie. I remember I side and You know it was a very and had very big impact. I think it's like it spawned a lot of found footage films actually I think it's one of the one the one set. Influence, the influx of such films But for me the whole premise behind that film theme that made it special thing that need at the time. was the belief the marketing. The marketing that it was a true story. Right yeah. I agree and now is that that was a huge huge point of it. Right the they've marketed it that to hell and back in Schlick. Okay. So then you go and see it. And like I did and I was like, okay. That's the only special thing about the film. Except for the ending. I was just about to add that. It's the the ending the movies. Okay. But it's just that that the the lasting imprint that ending is what kind of puts it over the talk for sure for puts it in something. I wouldn't like special. Yeah. just unique something. That's worth watching right whereas whereas a almost up until that point I was just. Okay. I get it. You're lost you're scared you hear noises at night. The woods are dark I get it. There's like little stick figures and POWs Iraq's everywhere creepy I get it can't get out I could go. Let's go. Let's move on. is just like a typical. You know. For me it's like this suspense wasn't strong enough to keep me riveted like a would in the the shining or something alt-right. So. It was the ending that made it that that actually. gave me the real chills a real creep tonight. I really appreciate at. This is one of those things where it's like. even though the entire rest of the movie wasn't really that special to me it built up perfectly towards at amazing ended. You know what I mean. So it's I'm on board. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like. But like I didn't. So when you mentioned this film to me is like. I didn't really want to watch the sequel again because I mean the first one again because you know like I just said like I said almost an hour and a half. Of just men and then for the two minutes of awesome, right so I think this film. This film. Had more had more to it. And Is definitely worth watching. I enjoyed it had some good good tax creepy moments to it. The the acting was good. Storyline was fairly fairly well laid out. Nothing too. Crazy here other than you don't. The thing that was unique and I thought newest the thing that we just discussed, which was the time alternate. I enjoyed that aspect to it for sure. A one cool scene which I thought was some cool special effects when the one girl kind of breaks, the stick figure and the other girl kind of breaks Hafer Self Oh. Yeah. I. Forgot to mention that I really enjoyed that as fall I. Really I'm like Oh my God like a Voodoo doll as exactly what it was and as a Co my God. That's really cool. It's cool how they incorporated a Voodoo doll thing into this this whole. Show Shonda universe filming, University of the Blair witch I and I remember Sophie jumped at that was like squeal right. So is it was a good seaman for share? Really good seen that also I. Think I told you last week that. The I love the Final Act of this movie, and that's when you're kind of as we've already discussed the I to call it time travel time altering is going on a and then I, I guess, I know he seemed before John and you probably like this but the manipulation of at the for some reason though when like the bad spirit or the Blair witch in this case is able to manipulate people just as it just creeps me out so much. So how she convinces them, I guess to turn around the corner. So the first one I thought was was fairly okay So when The Blair witch got James. A turn around because he's like, oh, heather right thought it was a sister. And you don't turn the talk Dragan House like okay. That's I. Guess That's all right. Even though they known they, they told US throat this film don't look. Blair witch. Yup Right to tell us the whole time and they knew they went stood in the corner. Because they knew the Blair which was coming behind him. And she had. He said stop don't look. Don't look at it. Don't look at her and then you know. And then he hears voice his. It must be heather Dow interns I was like, okay. I can get behind that because he was there the whole time trying to find his sister and it was like something that he he was his instance motivation drive behind the actions that took. With her I I know now. Now, I don't picture. You don't think he would have turned around day. No like as soon as he just died in front of her after she just heard him say. Heather, and then it was like, who will who were you talking to like? She's there's no one here like she mentioned something along those lines like what you can do something like that. So she knows it's not. It's not like you know. Whoever he thinks it is, and then like two seconds later it's like you know James and she like wasn't long. Time. No it wasn't a longtime. You're right. It's probably ten seconds and then she's like Oh turn around Jay. Right now. I didn't buy that at all I was like. Now foget. Now you're poking holes in it and you're right when you explain it but I guess. In the in the moment I just I thought it was good in the moment I guess. Yeah. So. Don't get me wrong visuals her acting his acting phenomenal. I think they did a great job. Great job. But a I'm watching it in a moment like, okay we'll. We'll discover you know I'm thinking both I can't see that person doing that that I got pat got behind James only because because of that right but it's like. Have still not one hundred percent on gains because he was telling her to stand in the corner not look at Blair witch. Accused telling her the rules and then he goes and breaks up right Okay. But I guess you know he's he's want to know longtime but a sister he's he's willing the chance at y chance it. Now I'm still actually I'm talking to myself five, but I'm harmony ticket get behind James Turning around. But Yeah. It was a cool sequence that goes really excused camera to see behind her. You know what I mean I thought that was a thought that aspect of it was clever but. Then turning around and like. If they did some sort of weird transition music where it's like You don't like it kind of insinuated let their guard down or something like that or maybe They do some sort of secrets for time seems a lot longer than it was. So it seems like more time has passed. Some might have been able to, but they didn't do anything. It's just like, okay. Don't look at her don't look at her James Now. Right. Now, I hear you. I hear you. I. Hear You I I, just like the movie i. May I'm just a sucker for it but I just like the story I was into it the entire time. I just enjoyed this film through You know who did enjoy the joined the critics now? Thirty seven Ron Tomatoes critic score. Pretty pretty harsh sometimes. Audience. Score thirty one. Wow, really. Yeah this this one confuses me I just don't. I don't understand. I think that's a one world wants words unrealized expectations. It it must be but it just tough for me to understand why someone would give this a thumbs down. I can definitely get if someone says me or this isn't my favorite horror movie I wasn't that scared I get that but to say it was bad movie. No. Definitely not a bad movie definitely. Had had a bit of a return at the box office nothing huge made for five million ended up bringing in a little over forty five But I think I was a little bit of a disappointment I personally think that this could have been a huge franchise and they just mismanaged it. They just managed they mismanagement completely while the second one was a extremely disappointing. Exactly right rushed they rushed the second one coming out. So the original gets released ninety nine and they rushed to get that sequel out there one year later and they just botch it and they ruin it, and then they wait so long to get this movie out they this doesn't come out until twenty sixteen. So you've lost all the momentum from the original if they had not made the second one and just brought this one out maybe three or four years later I firmly believe there will be like a Blair witch seven out there which probably would it be good but you know what I mean it would become one of those iconic horror franchises I don't think so and this is why I think I. said it before. The the reason why the first one was special because of the marketing that it was real. That can't carry over to sequel. I can't. All, that's gone. Right So The money have locked the have like. A new and compelling story. Now, this is this was a good movie Giv raw was in a new and compelling story, right? It wouldn't it end the first one didn't have the type of. Transition to a sequel as like say screen does or thaw or saw or even paranormal activity right like paranormal activity to just chosen family right? So it's just I just don't think. I don't think. The first one I. Think it was. Good doesn't one off because. I think. That the original movie was less than in marketing. And I think if a lot of people were who were in marketing were paying attention to that they probably developed a lot of future strategies off of that because I'm telling you like. Most of that movie was met. Except for the yet by how how did you get a bunch of people show up to the movies to see it. That marketing that there is a real thing is found footage. This is a real thing, right? And I don't think I don't see that carrying over. To, be to make a huge franchise Without cause at that, that mystery has gone. In my opinion. So Yeah I. Guess We'll never know I just really think that things would have been different if again, the sequel never comes out and this comes out maybe three or four years after the original I I really think things would have been different but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree I agree with that premise I just don't think it would be a huge franchise. So I think if they didn't, it didn't take away number two because you'd have a lot of people who love number-one. like from nineteen, ninety nine and say Campbell that they made this one in two, thousand three. you'd have a lot of people from one, thousand, nine, hundred still interested. So you ask, you just give people showing up for sure for sure. But then they'd see this one and then it'd be like, okay well. How you do seek off of this you know what I mean I think it's I. Think the franchise would go much further than this one. If there. would be such a huge franchise. No. No I I hear. You know another interesting tidbit about this one is They get the secret. When they were filming this thing they didn't let anyone know that it had a connection Blair witch and it was being filmed under the state title the Woods Obama. And actually when they first screened it at a festival, it was screamed. As the woods was fake fake posters and everything, and then midway through the movie with people started realizing that obviously had a connection to Blair witch and by the end they had replaced the posters with with the real posters. Funny, that's cool. Though I like that it's kind of wild, right so I guess. If you ever get invited to a screening for film. You never know what it could turn out to be right. That's true. That's true. That's Addicott that's interesting. Interesting bit of. But if Yeah, just just a little tidbit on on this one Again, we're both thumbs up. We disagree with the critics we disagree with the Audience Score What do you think about Mike Mike claim last week John this is a highly underrated movie. Can you get behind that? Definitely, it's a, it's a movie that's worth your time. And if it's a movies worth your time. And it's getting social scores that it is. It's definitely underrated. Right, like definitely is I think you I think you can't go wrong spending an hour and a half watching this movie if you like horror movies. And again, even if you haven't seen the Blair witch project, you don't feel watch this winter. No hop on net flicks check it out. It's worth the watch. I would argue that this one's better than the original. A ton of time to think about that I just haven't thought about it, but you could be right because you kinda strike the first one. Perfectly it was. Okay and then iconic ending. So you know what you know what just on this further moment I might have to say this one's better too. I. Think. On almost every aspect, it wasn't. It wasn't slow in the first one was slow. It just wasn't an is still had you waiting for an I even like the part because it had me waiting for people standing in the corner at the end like it had me waiting for that. And we when it happened I was like Oh God so good right. So it made me happy to see that so. I definitely argue that this is better. But you you Kinda knew it was coming but it also didn't feel like a rip off you know what I'm saying no like so you do it was coming but didn't win it was coming and then. Also, with the way, the film was going wasn't sure that if you weren't sure that it was coming. So I I liked it. I like to hold presentation of it till the end is delivery was with really done. Strongly agree my friend anything else dad. No idea meltzer. So then all we have is again Much Shawn Small for the recommendation. Again as I said last week Sean kind of senators a list of a few movies in this one really hopped out to me as I wanted to the thanks very much shawn. And next buddy hop on. NETFLIX's again we're going with a SAM Raimi. Film Drake Mita Hell Sam Raimi Yeah have. You seen this when John I started watching it a while ago and then. I think one of the kids came down there younger. So I had to stop watching it obviously in and Around around to watching it so I haven't seen it all but just to say like I'm a huge Fan Ramey fan evil dead spiderman all a key I like him in I like. I'm happy to see this. I, I've seen this movie once before when it first came out I, remember liking it. I. Don't remember a ton about it but I remember enjoying it. So I'm eager to go back and watch it again with the same race can have like those. He's heads very distinct visuals right you ever see Darkman. Here's has yeah. Yeah. It's distinct visuals like action sequences. So I'm looking forward to those writing words all of a sudden everything's calm and then you turn around and then the person's hair's blowing back there is or black and they're screaming like he does that a lot rate. So I'm looking forward to that because I do enjoy the sequences I remember cool ending but that's all I'm GonNa say all right I, can't wait can't wait. Yet. So folks hop on Net flicks and make sure you join us again next week as well. Please subscribe to our Youtube Channel check out our facebook page and follow us on both twitter and Instagram at Dan. Movies. We want to hear what you thought of today's podcast. Any suggestions you have especially in terms of what movies you'd like us to discuss next us an email to movies the damned at gmail.com please also check out John's full length novels, his first two novels dollhouse and the tracker Amazon best-sellers. You can also order his novella balance his book of short stories for shots of horror and his newest novel grid. All right now Amazon. For further details on John Other published works please visit log John Fiction Dot wordpress dot com. Thanks for listening and we'll see you next time. Everyone. Thanks for listening. Let. Me Know in the comments or wherever you want to email twitter. Youtube whatever How I sound I got a new Mike, so I just WanNa know. 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13: Believing in the Blair Witch

American Hysteria

15:54 min | 2 years ago

13: Believing in the Blair Witch

"On these mini episodes would be exploring the strangest viral phenomena of the World Wide Web. I'm your host Chelsea wherever Smith, and this is American hysteric Heather, Don, Josh, more, Leonard and Michael Williams disappeared in nineteen ninety four while shooting documentary film project in the black hills area here Burkett spill, the three student filmmakers are still. After twenty years, I can still remember the aggressive curiosity the sort of excited confusion of just how in the world a couple young filmmakers had been allowed to show. This found footage of three college students who disappeared without a trace who'd been terrorized by someone or something in the woods and likely killed out there as an obsessive fan of America's most wanted. I thought that surely it would compromise the investigation into their whereabouts into their possible murder. I was ten years old in nineteen ninety nine when the rumors began about the Blair witch project with a viral marketing campaign, unlike anything that came before or anything that would be able to come after the internet looked a lot different twenty years ago. It was not yet the Amish in all encompassing information Bank that it is today. It was easier then to pull a fast one on the entire nation the entire world. And it was one. Of the most exciting things that ever happened in my childhood. It made me question the nature of reality itself. And it certainly helped inspire me all these years later to investigate the stories we come to believe especially urban legends. And why we are as wonderfully gullible as we are when it comes to a good story. That's what really inspires Blair witch. You know, and I had a UFO club. When I was a kid. And you know, there was just this kind of hold this general neurosis, I think people had and also fascination with wind believe in that stuff. You know, we remember when we were kids after he watched that show. You would be sitting there for the TV you'd be like, holy moly. Bigfoot real foot running at a lockneys monsters real in the real. Blair witch project would be the first horror film to be invited to screen at the Sundance film festival and would go on to gross two hundred fifty million dollars worldwide on a budget of just sixty grand making it one of the most successful independent films ever made, but how did their team possibly pull off creating both of film and an entire complicated mystery that was real enough for so many people to believe including not just to this ten year old. But also, my parents, and so many other grown asked people they manufactured an urban legend. They made an entire mythology of bloody back story rich and fragmented enough to feel authentic though, it wasn't highly made up by film students at the university of central Florida directors Daniel miracle and Edward. Oh Sanchez not only that but their marketing team also facilitated the spread of the urban legend the lore was presented in another fake documentary. That premiered the same night as the film at. Self but on the scifi channel complete with interviews with the missing students professors from police officers involved with the missing persons case with grieving family members, even an interview with a real pagan and fabricated news reports in anchors detailing the search old books and journal entries all adding up to a kind of mysterious classically cheesy true crime documentary twinge with the paranormal satanism that marked the eighties nineties, and I watched wide-eyed with my parents on our living room couch. Here's the basic story of the legend of the Blair witch, a sort of evil that seems to return every sixty or so years in the town of Burkitt's, Phil Maryland, formerly known as the Blair township in seventeen eighty five when an elderly woman named L E head word was accused of witchcraft by a group of local children. She was banished from Blair and tied to a tree in the woods where she was rumored to have frozen to death in the harsh winter soon after the children. In that accused her started to disappear, and then more and more children, followed the same fate and old and decrepit book called the Blair witch Colt from eighteen o nine detailed, the satanic abuse of those missing children in the hands of a violent witch old journals also detailed an incident in eighteen twenty five when a child drowned and witnesses saw a ghostly arm actually, pull her into the shallow creek and under the rocks and deep into the mud so deep that her body was never found then in eighteen eighty six a little girl went missing. And the first of the search party groups was found entirely disemboweled with strange pagan symbols carved into their faces each tied to the other at a place near the same creek called coffin rock, then in nineteen forty a hermit named Rushton par who was hanged for brutally murdering seven children in his house in the woods said during the trial that he was doing the bidding of an old woman ghost the one child who escaped gave testimony that he was told to stand in the corner. And face the wall while rust and park hill the other kids then in nineteen ninety four when the three students went missing their footage was found in their backpacks buried under a colonial era wall near a house that had recently burned down the stones in the wall had not been disturbed, and it seemed as if the backpacks had somehow magically materialized underground the last piece of footage on the tapes. One of the students standing in the corner, another screaming as the camera falls to the ground. Now all that together. That is a good story. In addition to the fake documentary that premiered on SCI fi the website Blair witch dot com. Also, laid out the entirety of the history and also full of crime scene photos in timelines with producers adding updates constantly to fuel the feeling that it was an ongoing investigation. The website had more than twenty million page views before the movie even premiered and only about half of those were me for my dial up internet the lower around the. Blair witch was so well fleshed out that artisan entertainment, apparently did a poll of people watching their film. And nearly fifty percent of the people believed that at least part of the legend was true by the time. The film premiered. There were reports of people driving for hours to catch one of only twenty seven theaters featuring the movie and some even camped out overnight had I not been ten years old. I probably would have been one of them the ongoing marketing for the Blair witch project was a collection of avant garde methods that added up to a fantastic realistic illusion, Heather Donahue, Michael Williams, and Joshua Leonard were improv actors hired by the directors, and they chose to use their real names for the movie even updating their IMDB pages to list them as missing the producers printed missing posters of the three students and hung them around college campuses, all over the country and had them printed in a bunch of newspapers. They were even handed out of the cans film festival during the lead up to the film's release the three actors were told not to do interview. Us and to stay completely out of the spotlight, which they did. In fact, they were so successful at pretending to be dead that strangers actually sent cards in called Heather's mother with their deepest sympathies for her loss with their theories about what exactly had happened to her poor daughter. The only piece of evidence found by police with Joshua the nukes. Parktown black rock. We check the car over completely never found any clues with vehicle. We check the with witnesses that may have seen the fem students and never because we can never locate them all of this would have been easily proven false by a simple Google search today, but that's just not how the internet worked in nine hundred nine the marketing team added on him Asli new mysterious clues to message boards and internet forums that were discussing the authenticity of the footage and the story by completely avoiding using mainstream cinema trailers commercials. They saved a ton of money and also lent feeling to the fans they had stumbled on something truly special on something truly authentic. But that's not the only way that the Blair witch project was able to come off as legit. It was also thanks to their very unorthodox method of filming more on that. After these messages. Okay. There's no way I can talk about the Blair witch project without repping skylark incredible audio drama Blackwood created by my buddy, in co-producer will Rogers whose voice, you know, from his acting on American hysteria. Blackwood also creates its own rich urban legend and follows three high schoolers as they investigate the stories and find out that there's a lot more truth to the legends of the bug man than they ever really wanted to find. And it also stars Tatyana Ali from the fresh prince of Bel-Air. I mean, come on. I are true fans of coming of age teen horror, and he knows how to tell the kind of stories that I absolutely love. We also went together to Burkitt's Ville, Maryland where we took photos as the characters and the exact locations they were filmed in the Blair witch project. So, you know, you wanna hang out even more with these cool guys really, though checkout Blackwood now on itunes or wherever you get your podcasts and disappear into another great story and just for fun suspend that disbelief and enjoy. Believing in the story of the bug man in the story of Blackwood. Haters say that the acting in the Blair witch project is the worst there is. In fact, it was nominated for two Razzies in nineteen ninety nine which are wards for the worst in film with Heather Donahue winning for her leading performance since we don't wanna copyright violation. Here's my version of her performance. To his mom and Mike's mom, and my mom. Scared to 'cause my. Scared scared. You. That scene went on to be parodied mercilessly, especially because Heather in her truly authentic performance, in my opinion happen to have a lot of Christ's not hanging out of her nose. When Sanchez and miracle came up with their original, sixty five page script. It was more of a suggestion because they wanted the whole thing to be improvised and filmed by the actors themselves who for the most part had very little experience with cameras. This is one of the main reasons that so many people hated the film and even claim to be made nauseous by the erotic movement of the handicaps in order to make the reactions as true-to-life as possible. The actress had very little idea about what was coming. And then and then when they shot it give it was a weird way of shooting. It was an incredibly weird ways, you were seriously screaming and crying. Yeah. This was not acting. No, no. Well, here's here's the deal. What do you think acting is crank? This is an important question that comes up on this movie. After the three went into the woods with the crew following way out of sight. They were instructed by pre-programme GPS unit to hike, the different points in the woods that have been designated and find crates of supplies in just the briefest notes in film canisters about whatever needed to happen to advance the plot. Otherwise, they were on their own. The crew actually followed behind them in the night and made frightening sounds in the distance and left all the creepy. Rock piles in the hanging stick dolls along their path as well as the famous bundle of yes. Real human teeth mirror called it. A twenty four hour stage play that the actors were experiencing ending with a climax at a very creepy old abandoned house in the woods that the crew had filled with tiny city handprints of the missing children the crew essentially played the Blair witch. I have to believe that the actors reactions, then were at least a little bit real because I don't know about you. But even if I knew that that was fake you would still freak me out. Satanic panic and the panic around satanic ritual abuse and witchcraft in the eighties nineties, certainly influenced the lore of the Blair witch at word, oh Sanchez mentioned that in the original set of the abandoned house. They were supposed to be a bunch of candles and pentagram and all the typical satanic stuff that was made popular by tabloid talk shows and fake fundamentalists testimonials of satanic colts, the national obsession belief in satanic ritual abuse, certainly acted as an underlying encouragement for people to believe the unbelievable when it came to the dark forces of the world and had not been for that widespread panic, I have a hard time believing that America would have bought the story of the Blair witch. Interestingly enough, the director of the not so well received but classic Blair witch. Sequel book of shadows was Joe Berlinger one of the directors responsible for the HBO investigative documentary series on the west Memphis three that spanned almost twenty years called paradise lost which was largely responsible for helping to free three. Wrongly imprisoned men who'd been accused of murdering three kids in a satanic ritual in the early nineteen nineties when they were teenage metal heads in a small conservative town. You could actually hear an interview I did with Joe on my previous podcast called behind true. Crime in one thousand nine hundred nine I spent an unnerving amount of time making those Blair witch symbol dolls, you know, the ones made out of four twigs tied together with long grass these strange runic dolls that the movie made into their brand. Well, I would leave them on people's car windows on their doorsteps eight even hang them from strangers tense in the night when I was out camping with my family, and in that way, I like to think I contributed to this wild hoax. This one of a kind moment in American entertainment history. This outrageously successful creation and spread of an original urban legend, one of my truest inspirations for this very show. It seems that by now twenty years later the rumors of the films. -ality would be long laid to rest, but Heather Donahue, says there are still people online who believe in the reality of the Blair witch legend in the disappearance, and they think that Heather Mike and Josh are really hired Schillt's in some grand conspiracy. That those students really did die that they really did disappear under these mysterious circumstances and that the three actors were hired to play them in real life. So whoever's responsible probably some elite satanic cults connected to the aluminum body will yet again get away with unspeakable crimes. American hysteria is written produced and hosted by me Chelsea ever Smith a system produced by Derek Smith produced an edited by clear, comma studios and research, assisted by Riley. We'll be back in two weeks with another viral phenomenon from the World Wide Web. In the meantime, subscribe to Blackwood follow American hysteria on social media, leave us review and get ready because we're coming up on camping season see out there.

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BOOK OF SHADOWS BLAIR WITCH 2 | Double Toasted Audio Review

Double Toasted

1:23:24 hr | 8 months ago

BOOK OF SHADOWS BLAIR WITCH 2 | Double Toasted Audio Review

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But he was the main one going Oh. O. One of those who had to let everybody know yeah he feels yes and you reach the point where you're like. Yeah the movies bad we know. He coward after that after his. Saw Him and hear those bright. Milky Blue Eyes they but they sparkled like they had. Like those like those breath mints. You know the. Read our member that does remember being as you almost cast him in your movie. Yeah. I remember this dude, and he was a friend of some friends of ours and I'm wanting to casper in the movies a blind man. He's like what I don't WanNa play a blind person you. Going around and his is was he black? I do but I was like his is they say blue and milk Mielke they weren't milky. They look crystalline like no Mars right? Like his eyes were like breath mints yeah. Like I'm like. Because he's When evenly talk to you kind of just he's is with DART, around everything's I want to he wanted to be an actress I wanted to cast him as a black person in my movie who was who was a blanket was a significant part yeah. That's like Shit. This is you know how what can you get the Guy I remember asking me. He would've played my best friend want to be. And I said, Hey, man, you got great par and he's like yeah. I've always wanted to work with you man he's like what you guys say. Well, you play this blind guy, you'd like. there. I really want to. I don't really WANNA play obliged guy looked at him and let's say you can't really see how I'm looking at you rent. Fuck you go play a blind person with these damn is that you get? Gingrich wanting to play Jack reacher. Closer. Wants to play Michael Jordan. You know it's like no man the fuck is what guys like and I tried to tell him I I'm not to say like how the I don't know how to tell you this. Don't be rude but I said because there's so many albums slipped up and I said, have you looked in the mirror helped shit oh shit. Oh Yeah. Okay there's no way around all I can do is say okay but I talked to him and everything and the. Movie and Mortlake Morrissett has guy with like everybody liked the move and it's got like. How Really had. Enough I. Say we fucking get the movies bad. And did here's from no, my saw his shoulders see down in his signed. Actually, saw know how you see those silhouettes because we. Back. And when the movie was done. He was cool about it. When does like? Like Presley what's going on? In the movies like fuck? You. Actually was like you said, I said Presley assist you in the movie man. Yeah I'm the one you told her shut the fuck up and. that. Like. I could hide and no more I just said well, you sit shut the fuck. Come on man you. You be allowed you. Know people tell me all the time loud and movies. She's asleep. Like what the fuck you do hear. Casey. The Shit that's what I was. GonNa. Ask me I'm not trying to be funny. He was he legally blonde all the way blind legally. Yes. Sir. Legally. Dumping because. It's not like he had a cane it was bumping into stuff, right? That's what I mean. Yeah. See something like Mava you just saw much of. The He was being loud because he couldn't see S- it sounds like it's better than the movie. Apparently not because he was. Like well what the fuck you complaining you didn't know what the fuck was happening anyway. Should he was one of those real like man? This is this is painful. This might be the most painful experience I've had theater, but he was going to. Talk. More like enough is enough. and Martin mud me too. Because Martin sees me sometimes I don't do this shit no more. But when a move when somebody just act a fool the movie and I used to tell people shut the fuck up market see me before erupt Oh. Yeah. You fidget him. Brother. Plantation look again it's slavery sucks. Fuck. Man. Bitch. autosound the fuck up man. And my marcus because Martin was in man when I see get mad than I, start getting mad more because I'm like, okay. 'cause everybody can see this shit nine ain't nobody enjoying themselves not very I. See I see him getting man I know other people getting man I'm just kind of like was shit I ain't trying to be the protected of the theater but I'm just kind of like somebody to say something stopped because out to our today you people gotten so stupid, you're GonNa win that day. Did Win. He set the fuck up. And Not in. It he took a world. Shut the fuck. Fuck Up. Do without somebody having to you know. Yeah. Yeah Goddamn vision impaired theater you know. Eight I'll be mean about about like I give A. Fuck. If you blind tonight using need to set the plug, right when kid comes in on. Yeah exactly what you doing. Sorry. You know what? I mean, this is the day I stop. The day when hurt somebody doing that. Thousand by left at you. GotTa read enough and I ran over there and looked at the face. It was just a mother protecting little Miller challenged girl and I was like Oh my God, I'm a monster. And I went back to my seat never done this shit again. So. Sorry. Till you. Say, something to her watching you stuck it over there stopping. And then stop. Pause and then just turn around and come on back to those like does he know that? Okay. Because that's just started like this. Ended up like this. A bit about. With incredible music playing. That Mother didn't get like she didn't get mad. She didn't leave us alone or getaway. She just looked at aside tone harness in the girl just looking at me like A. Happen. Like how could you? Dislike. The lake she'd been doing that for a while so I wouldn't expect them to stop once the movie if I had known I. Would have dealt with it I. wouldn't I wouldn't care, but I didn't know what I'm saying that's doing this. No more. The Look I said I was wondering Ricky Gervais moment year. I said look she gave me as win. Mean anything because people one thing I'm saying this because I'm trying to make like a meal challenge jobs I'm not. But this is why remind me of when in beyond Thunderdome? Oh master blast when Mel Gibson pull the helmet off a master blast if you just smiled at him and he's like Oh my God beaten up this this poor person radio who didn't know any better that's what I've badly. Mel Gibson in off water just took the hill the hill. And I was like Oh my God. About become don't don't ever do this again I just sat my down. I. Never done issues since as laterals. Much concern. I was GONNA say next week. In unit fights, somebody who step outside. In the parking lot was. That was. Really Nice. Just keep it down man. AUSE like okay. Let's go. Because each day. Can do hereby everybody. Theater Hurting GonNa? Say Man. To. Stop by trying to wash the movie because he was sitting next to me wasn't like I was trying to get away outdoorsy. Cool Man Fuck you and I was like finding what with what the fuck and he's like you want to go outside and I was like. I was looking at the movie. I got. Yes. Yes I. Because you I. LET HIM GO I. That's what happened because I said. No, let's go see. Yeah. Fuck you. Let's go and I got up way though because he said no habit. I waited for him to get out there and I told them security guards. One of the good well I don't know who ain't saying win it but. You know the has been dropped so. Yeah. A priest. Try to have a friend at the end of that when the security guard came in other another manager came in. Is there a problem with the manager Numa? I? Didn't know I didn't know just corey hey it's like Oh this guy you bother you. Is this the barn theaters in like no man tell not him. Cool. Tell him was cool. Man I'm just. GonNa. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Out Did you. Say. fucking. ooh. Oh Yeah. We had a moment in between security coming up and now. We're talking now we're boy last. which other was fuck you outside? Yeah it ample to diffuse situations. You had to be quiet. Until. Yeah. He's a piece of shit. Tell. All right imagine if you had been like night's fine and win back in there, he started all over it. Yes I start thinking to of. This. What was his awful that end fuck him. Fuck. All would if this talk you starting this in the first place learn. Somehow. I don't think he did. Night. Heading into this review rain here. People. As, we were saying you know. Spooky movies from the past. Spooky shitty movies. And are the bed as we remember, the man was back in. Two thousand. Two thousand. Twenty twenty years ago seen this movie once. But before we do that, let's go ahead and get people background here. So everyone has heard of what. A lot of people considered to be. The grandmom of all found footage movies the Blair witch project. The search of the three missing Montgomery College Students Continues in Frederick County tonight. Thousands of hours have been unable to produce any clues few leads. The options and we want to take advantage over and just try to put together some of those generation Z. and hadn't seen this movie. Yes. This is what you get into. The pace of it that was the climax. Back. That's that trailers faster pace than the movie was but. Those the big action piece. Yeah, and that was a car chase. But you know. At the time it was such a phenomenon. Where the liked the movie you're not or was it yeah. Man whether or not it was it was the phenomena and. It was such an original phenomenon that people say you know what? You cannot duplicate this again, lightning cannot strike twice in this situation here. Of, course some people say, well, you know what? Else in the same vicinity you know maybe maybe if I stand close to where it was maybe it who knows it'd take a coat hanger just raise really high. Maybe if I'm in the same vicinity, we can see what happens with that because everyone around the time that this came out they knew this thing had made so much money. You know when this in this business and you can leave new well enough alone if it may money than somebody say it can make more money rights. We'll tell you when you king. But. How You tell you when you can quit and yes they put their bitch back on the corner. And say, you know what? You Ain't done with dumb. You're done. You're done. But how would they do it? They said, we know what the best way to do. This is to not try to repeat what happened her because it can happen again can. Don't do was done before. Do something else a little more bland in that he can do make something that is the typical hard move. The pretty much everybody else has kinda done already, and that is where they came in with the Blair witch to bookish shadows. Last summer after the crowds left five strangers returned to the woods to uncover the truth. But one of them has a secret that will unlock the curse. Believe in the Blair witch why the Hell did you bother to come? This Just in time for Halloween. On October twenty seventh forget everything. Forget everything you see where we will. I totally. Washington today was it was brand new to me? It won't, and we don't they'll try. Because this time, the truth is scarier than fiction. A brutal murder in the black hills discovered today in the pasture the Black Hills area has been overrun with movie fans wanting to get a glimpse of where the Blair witch project was fill. Up All those suckers that Phil for those acting fools out there in the worst screaming all day crossing all that cheap as film grain cheaper ain't even know creatures no Munster anything they may no blood going not. Enough although suckers who fail for that in the marketing that went win and all that stuff. You know what we ain't doing that now. You know for for those people who really want to know we got the Fast Pace Blair witch for you. You know this time we do have. We do have quick cuts. We do have titties. We got blood. Creatures got all the actors we got. We got actors this. Shit, we got a budget we actually we got money. Yeah, we got everything that last movie we have color we got color ain't black and white center. We got dialogue besides. Man We got a script. People. Like that Bush that they did that with nothing, we got all this I'll. Done Deal Boo Koo money and the Shit didn't work at all and they said you would have been better off doing discipline nothing going out the you know they did it for five dollars what they couldn't do the fifteen million dollars in this movie right here. It doesn't help. That you want. All these people to done this movie Martin. It's it's funny because the original Blair witch which I didn't like a lot of it was I hate all these these characters. Little. Did I know? That they go like, Oh, you'll like them on hold my beer. His his real characters. No. Yeah. No people that you that you hate all of these character they are the worst combo of annoying and dumb and bland and bland. You not tell you when when. When you really think about it after watching. Watching the three Blair witch movies when you really think about it. Blow which really ain't that bad. I'm talking about the character I'm talking about the which one you ain't never seen. She really ain't that bad of a person. You know I rooted for the witch in everyone of these movies because she rids the world of annoying people? She gets rid of people that we hate she gets rid of people that deserve to die. They shouldn't be in there doing that shit in the first place you know. Y-. When you she's she's also did she's the hero in the victim. When you think about it, they're the ones that killed her. They tied to a tree tortured hiatus luff out there to die and now. Now she came back she'd even trying to work with people. She says, you know what? I just want to hang out here I'm just I just WANNA chill out here a ghost in the woods ain't fucking with nobody into these people come into our home scream in Holland. Brand cameras all up there right. All for the sake of being tantalized or or getting famous every everyone needs movies are saying she ain't fucking nobody like she went out to the town angler she cursed the whole. Hey, y'all y'all stay over there. Still be here we good. Little. Don't. In American I have the right to go wherever I want to go in. But meanwhile you get everyone is movies got scooby Doo Gang. Out there with cameras and lights and screaming on night and everything. They came by House doing that you want Tom About stand my ground. You want to kill them too. But these people in here in this movie out of all the Blair witch things that I've seen these people of a fucking worse man. So with this bill. What you've got. Is. You've gotTA. GotTa do. Whose name is. And he's been looking keeping my people these people before they even got to the woods is stupid decisions before they even left the house. They. They they. They made decisions before they ever got in the car and drove out to these Blair witch woods. You got here Grad student. Guy Named Steven and his pregnant girlfriend. And they decide to. Go out in the woods because they are studying initially studying the mass hysteria and they wanna they. WanNa use the first. Blair. Witch project as part of their studies right there. Now why the fuck that they have to go out to the woods to do this if why can't they just study the movie because that's what they're doing studying. The Blair witch project moving one understand that while the fuck they gotta go out to the woods for this I don't know. But. If you do decide to do that. You might not want to get a tour guide. Who is a mental patient who a week ago was literally bouncing off the fucking walls. WAS LIKE A. pinball machine. Dictate. Altitude. Bear. Go. We. WanNa. Go. Rolling Do. Just the week ago, this pool within the nuthouse. fucking nut house being treated by doctors at a crazy. Three. pissed throw. Gears up in his nose. Bigger. Like some of that Ridley Scott android blood. Business Doctors Looking crazier than him. This. Guy Man. That is such a cheap shot. I'm sorry go fish. When they fucking do that. Yeah and where the hospital administrator given injections. Administrators given Jackson's and they all up in your face and People just a week ago. This fool was in the not house with with these crazy people how he why he was released. When we saw when? We clearly saw mother ago rabbit in his room. We clearly see that he's fucking insane how he got out I don't know a look at the homeless population you got there there's just no funding for it anymore, but this is a small as to. What does people and? Cured now. Are you are you. And say this is. This is what you knew. Then you know the Blair witch project what ten fifteen dollars. At least they were able to make things look convincing y'all got fifteen million dollars and y'all can't even do simple special effect like a rubber hose up a man's nose. Human that would aim at look at this. Okay a slight of hand. That's bad. You Dash, it ain't going up. No that's like the worst magic trick of Sita. Twelve A. Look. Monastic. Her who? Couldn't angle that little bit better a shake up his nose right now. Shaking. His tight. Get this, right this shock cost fifty, thousand dollars what. I bet you the first player which can make that shit look. For thirty five thousand dollars. Man. Ridiculous. Let me say. Jeffrey Donaldson Yeah Jeffrey. Donovan. Every uses their real names like Oh these people real now, we're seeing these fools and other things that was that was the thing from the from the first movie where all the quote unquote actors, their characters, names, names. So they did the same thing here exactly but we don't. Seem every dot of it was embarrassed Jamie. Fox movie there. He was. We see seen as. We know there's a whole. hipster. He was known even back then. Read a couple of series back then. About two or three series data. Jeffrey. We know who you are. No. No no man is real mental patients rate him. Crazy. Baritay. Services. Cute him so he can do burn. People. So we got a tour guy who was going fucking nuts in a middle home a padded room a week ago got out here. He has full has he has a joke layer. In the middle of the woods or hell jobs leading the nine. That he flames, he claims he bought for a dollar. Factory. Just after the civil war were GONNA tear it down but I talked him into selling me for. People nobody believes nobody don't don't nobody by a close to story factory with the utilities, all working move and ready. For a dollar a less your fucking nuts. Much. Less. You were a mental patient in the nuthouse a week ago fucking liar? Delusional. Dollar translation acute everybody own now I live. Him on a property. Batman is looking for your ass right now who agree. We should get inside. A person who was released from the middle petition yesterday is still got his got his layer out here and yet they trust. Dude Omonia? Net. He's he's one of many people doing, Hey, come out for a Blair witch tour. At A. Dollar factory moving lights working plumbing work on. All utilities workers, you tell that this motherfucker about an Airbnb, not not just that but he's fixing it up with modifications. Oh He oh, he fixed shit up real hipster. Got Poodle on the wall. Cameras, cameras, and toys. Alarm. Burg along we opened up and go. I'm up a guy. He has an Amazon warehouse. He has cameras in there and. He's when he lost his camera. Cameras all broken. Named like more upset about this you. Oh, Shit Got Fifty More Amazon Warehouse Aka is layer over here. They did at one point say that he stole a lot of this stuff. Yeah. Because he's a crazy mentally ill patient criminal he's criminal Monday. Explained that he's still. He's still Trista to. Now he bought that. y'All stealing all his water you know. In the rest of the crew, you people keep in mind that this is escaped might as well be escaped mental patient. The looney bin fresh and the people that come along a crazy then hale. They got this chick here. Wicked Chick Name Erica. Boy who swears he's not joking weekend. of WHO SWEARS THERE? The wicked is the same struggle as the black folks at their. Religion. Really. Needs Jeff more capitalism based on fear in lies I mean do you really think it's fair to like explode our culture? And bogus deep she started turning to the the Malcolm X. of which is out. There were already a persecuted minority. Okay. This whole Blair witch thing satisfactory hundred years. It's like we're back in the burning times. Along. Let. Gloom. Boost. Negro sphere. Wicked spirits. Billy. You sitting here, nephew Senate that campfire you'd be thinking if I just keep my mouth shut might get. She's right y'all. Think about what she's saying. I'll be able to just talking crazy fucker. Strength for. Now I'll. Be. Able to talk about all kind of petroleum. Spells the Shit no say I'm what you mean. They don't get it. Abracadabra. Trouble. They don't know. WHO YOU WITH ME GIRLS Hold on. I know. We. We we know the struggle. Let's for. TORONTO. Oh taking. A hold on. Know like I said man, she wanted you start to wonder like. Okay. All right. He's going real far with this and you. And you learn and. When you hear that, you hear the reason why she's wicked you like a fuck of course. About having a witch for her daughter. My father is an episcopal minister so she couldn't find a black dude to fuck. A little? Town. She ran away as a piss off my parents basically. What was a black dude sex with the banner which well, no no. No new. News Talbert arrived. called. Burn up CDs and she's fugger. hocus pocus. And I gotTA study. For. This lot dad between her and his. Enough you gotTa Goddamn. The Sabrina the witch out there you got to. fucking. Grown as. Wednesday addams. A spider former yeah. WHO's whose Psychic Sapphire along are you? What do you mean? The Baby? How many weeks? VIC's. No. It's Steven. Wants to baby. Yes. How'd you know? I don't know. because. I talked to Steven. Over even sucks. She been she's been behind behind the bushes listening to people. Who I know has. Really do. But it doesn't say yes. Your. Car, Nova sugar back. A lot of that I saw I had a vision and everybody's looking at her like. No come out here that all goth makeup and shouldn't recognize her somewhere. She's been some spike Lee movies. And Miss Looking like now like Tim Burton movie i. Fuck you doing camping with all that make up his shit. Oh. Yes. You, know you're going out in the woods. Yeah. Exactly one day they let it go for one day. One day going swimming. Come on. Be a fucking creature of the night but one damned day just for one. For one is not a choice i. Chick. Don't infringe on my right because. American it's like what's the difference between you wicked got? More black, make up. Both live. Tim, Burton. Yeah. And this is where we won the big reasons why? This doesn't work. Already you can see before before they before they even get out and he would and start hitting it hard. You you going to wait till. This is one of the reasons why was one of several several reasons why this didn't work you know the filmmakers claim that they want to make. An anti sequel. And what that really means is that. They couldn't repeat what they did in the first movie, but studio still wanted to make that money. So they forced a sequel. That was a typical but horrible Har- movie that completely missed the point. Of the first film you know again whether you love. Whether you love. Are you hate? The. The Blair witch project. Now you have to mar that they did more with less. You know simplicity of it was a success. and. The originality of it although I know it's argued that that other movie about the Jersey Devil came out I it was well, it was Jersey Devil movie and then even before that they had How they cannibal a Cannibal Holocaust which was now footage movie. Okay. From back in I think back in the seventies early eighties. Man You. Know the the yeah. From what I read this the studio came back to the original guys and said, all right. We want to get a sequel going they were like, no. It's hard to repeat that way. We give it some time. Yeah, and you're like. Okay. We'll get somebody else to do. You know what you take all the time you need. You give you some tea hello hello. This is. The. Implicit of it. Led to the success of the viral marketing with this because this is This is one of the rare projects that truly got by off nothing but. The M- the playing off what people saw in their heads. You know people didn't it this had this this had. As we were saying earlier, this had no blood. It had no nudity. No Gore. And had no ghost a creature that she never saw nothing nothing didn't mean it was he was huge remember how big? No No, no no, it was so huge for the next six or seven years movie studios thought that maybe we can get by on just viral marketing. Now. After this afternoon. Yeah. I hated Blair wish the I. Know you know. I admired this but not even attempting to do what they did in the first one I. Sure he wanted to go in and ramp it up and do something completely I i. Admire that on my but they win way too far in the opposite direction. So I had no blood is gratuitous blood in this. They said they we the filmmaker said Oh but we had to do it to show the brutality. Now, the studio tell you how to do this yet right? Yeah Studio. Leaned on the neck. They had numbers ask them titties hanging out for a lot of the mood right here. One girl she mashed a pot poll out in the woods. Hold. A. Stick. The Blair witch put a ball out. Hero. Yeah with a girl. pulled. down. And all. Which? We say I'M GONNA put your ass to work. I didn't hear. Witch. I. Thought we were sisters. Get so as the pulled. The fuck up money. and. And where the where the first one is I said with the I didn't have no ghost new creature this tried to force them in there. And look completely stupid when they did it. Go from these ghost ghost in this, they go from looking silly. Actually running. Back. Ever since twin peaks. Your. Walk backwards. State. Like men. Remove. Read a rap battle. Call. This the lazy. They, look that's one of the better ones right there. That's one of the better ones because it ain't. It ain't like these little little rascal looking motherfuckers with powder on faces. No. CAST. Also. Bore Oliver. But it was like that was the worst cut like there was nothing to see create down by. Newton and run a little. Bit. I like to I like little man over here. They just they just left his lear. Casper. About. Attorneys asked to a ghost to. have. Twice. Awesome tiny tim about to get. You mother fuckers way. Though. God Damn. It are down the I got down play. Data guys again really. Oh. Look. Good. Sorry. MOTHERFUCKER goes not ready. In the in the Blair witch worked because they felt like. Real people you know if you didn't if you didn't like the movie i. Look in the movie I. I. Liked It I. Don't defend it. I. Don't you know I don't I don't. I don't. I don't argue with me about it. They don't like it. I get why but I get what also worked and work because it felt like they had genuine people in their philosophy for a lot of folks and those were actors right I don't know about the active. Dialogue. Yeah. The AD lived a lot but the only problem that when it would stop cold and that movie we hit a brick wall when you could tell they ran a dialogue. Cutting but you know. Permanently Bullshit. You know even that full people they just thought like with the cameras rolling these guys on what to do. Sure. Sure. There was authenticity to like having what where, at the time either not professional actors of non actors. So when you get professional actors and a script writer and it comes off worse you like I see what's going on here. Yeah. The. The problem here is that. Not only not only were they. Not only did they seem like? The, not seem like actors but they were averaged people who you felt like would be endangered like I said, you didn't need no this story right here as bad as is this story even this story right head did not need. No fucking psychic. Wednesday. ADDAMS in didn't need no Sabrina, the finance which. Didn't eat that no that's what I kept thinking to why had these extreme character types? That's I mean I get you're not recreating what would happen before what they did before. SMART move is nobody's see a sequel. That's a remake of what we already sure sure how ever the decisions that were made were poor decisions and one of them was making these extreme character types. A lunatic a goth chick and a wicker girl. No. We can do be it seems the way that they did those care does a parody like Kevin the woods sure. Yeah. Like a formula or something. You told me. Doing this with a straight goddamn facing Tung. Chin. Right. That's what they are they extreme characters and even Like look, you don't need that him being crazy had nothing to do with this story. The. Really does him being crazy has nothing to do with the? But okay whatever you know the I can see how they're trying to even do the store but Tony necessary the the Wiccan Chigwell we know she's told the full of Shit. She's just annoying but. I've met this girl. She's At Michi look upon meeting in her young years though what happened and we if you? Don't have to have this bitch is. The GOP chick she's psychic and you don't that he actually has powers. Like why the fuck are we going to the supernatural with the supernatural? It makes no sense and. You know I'll tell you why did it I did it and it's really this is the shame right here. They did it just so they wouldn't have to write. Explain. Shit. That this character, right here is just so they can get to from from one scene to another quickly they have a scene where they're looking for tapes now like where the tastes going, she's like. They're in a hole and they're like Shit, how did you knew that and she's like? Psychic. Cool. Like. Okay. You know what? You didn't need a fucking psychic chick to explain that. Again, that inevitably happens in movies like this. Disappoint. The movie go way bid UNC coming? At some point she go get caught up and it's like, how could you tell us about that? Well, that's. She's very does a moment she says I can feel something and it was like well, fucking everybody and tell them which is coming through. There's another. Hure all tie. They will all die. You know most of them are la, it's not an exact science. Guessing Shit. My hand I know the the the funny thing is. Gap between her. Jeffrey the lunatic and the witch I still found. Couple the most annoying to all of them well there. Yet they're the ones that made the dumbest decision I can. I can understand why all these mother fuckers WANNA be out here in the woods looking for a ghostly witch. A. Murderous Goes Lee which I get a Jassem dark motherfuckers anyway you know of course, the checkmate find her she's already sleeping on tombstone. The wicked shaky. No, she's out there just because she feels like the witch the Blair. Witch is you know she's down with her. That's how that's us. That's US sister spiritual cyst out there. I got the feeling was like this is just one of those girls craves attention. Yes she just she would. Ask. And if she wasn't good looking, she wouldn't even have gotten as far as she would. They would have kicked out that ban the moment you start bringing wicked shit nobody wants to fuck and here it. defined. Plus some weeks they stereotype of the wicked chick was like what you know what? Spills don't work fucking sex cures everything. Can Stay? In. You brought up the main one I brought a man. You know what I did like about the first Blair witch movie they got two guys at a chick sleekness same tin union me ain't nobody fucking. Nobody they will all stressed out how was the best way to cure stress in Jeffrey? That's what he's saying. You know what? I'm a I'm a little stress. Out The window you know. It's not be too hasty to. Be. Judging people out the ban. Wasn't gift. She wasn't fun and. Promising the that the driver she would have been kicked out the van, a law time of need they would've told they. got. Up She. Set don't work either way back. Issues get kicked out into the van. Talk about fuck you. got. To talk about it, she looked fine. Yes she does not even look. But the. But the and well Jeffries just fucking crazy. So yeah. But it's his van and this is he's running. He's trying to run a business. Sticks and giving people the the rocks. But but. But. Yeah. The the the the other couple man. Stephen in his girlfriend. Their Grad students and their don't never researching a movie they don't have to be out there now. No I mean I. Guess The they want to get close to where it all happened. But. They don't believe in. You know they don't believe it. They're they're just as bland. They could possibly be. They are completely bland until they get to third act and then they're just trying to overact everybody Oh. Oh Yeah. We'll show you then a little bit. Yeah. They over way over acting language shit. We the only non crazy. We'd better rampant. They got to get this. We don't do something. Nobody's remember. Do. We'll come mommy to bring it back into the single. Any particular. But I know I know which ones you talking. Yeah. I got one in particular that Daca show you what should I say the end because the man is just bland as fuck because the closer you get in the the the golf check is like well, she's kind of coup. Know She's got a good head on his shoulders because he's dead and then she shut. Off. Stephen by the end of movie Steven. They just they drove him crazy. The crazies out of all of. Back. There's nothing wrong with. mind. GotTa spit on it everything. Aging call them said, look y'all rap in two weeks you ain't done shit right. Trying to get you. To. Turn. This around. He's drugs. Looked at the Dan where the local meth dylan yeah, he's A. Trailer for you. Up the see. You ever done this ship before now how can it be? Blake Wall. He's drug a bucket. Somebody fuck. With A brick. Wall. Scotch tape we talked to. Somebody fuck. I'm just saying. This. Observation. That's what happens. Man. I got what he was hanging around. Crazy people who? An eight drove his as his Goddamn. Talk. Oh she's May, what. Should have never put the camera on that girl Mindy. Mama She just they just? Somebody forgot the cut the director the way to go take a piss everybody doesn't let it roll. He. He didn't say cuts. So I guess we got to keep it going. Still Ham. And he's as she goes ham she hams it up and let me see. Him. Yeah Yeah. Seems you're just you're all going to die. Didn't make people flinch like. Looking at. Jeff they put my answer. Drugs Man. Let me see. Let me. If I can find. because. I. Have the movie is she is overactive high as Don't do not do not put the camera on his girl. Let her do her shit. Yeah. You don't get to have it to through the whole movie and suddenly you. No Actors do know crescendo it always just. I'm here now and that's that. He's ready to see you to look at look at a flicking, haw. Look. Try to look crazy you're looking like a blonde chick from the ring or something man she. Should be on. TV. Hey somebody fucked we. OUGHTA. Bitch fuck with that. Actually. Over. Last. fucking die. Aw. Here we can choose. Does. GonNa say. Girl Girl. Hanging would always. Will. Be. So you'll cut. please. I don't know. I wanted to get an abortion. Where this we have been six. US Some. That crazy. Jeffries thought I was crazy. Yeah. Almost undertake back the doctors. So, with crazy take me up may as right now. No pinball. She's going to be possessor. Yes, Jesus. About spirit of bad acting. And I mean that's a short clip she goes on she goes. Tori spelling. 'cause I figure that's what it was like. Yeah. Yeah that was supposed to be creepy. And they give her one the worst scenes in the movie because you know. There's a lot of times that this movie they keep saying we WANNA BE Anti Blair witch I'll tell you this if you don't look. Be the Anti Blair witch will first of all I'll make a fucking sequel to the Blair witch and then. Don't try to mimic scenes from the Blair witch don't be trying to. Duplicate duplicate in the most famous scene from the movie. They actually have a part where that crazy chick talking about. She takes a long time to replicate that one shot right there. No other purpose for that then A. Lot Of, get, their, nerve. Textbook Definition. You Ain't you ain't got nut you hyperventilating this don't work. Shows you knows when? That starts to happen when we get to the third. or at least maybe the second act and all the creepy stuff is happening. Possibly possessions and things on tape. There's no, there's no no feeling of this like, Ooh, what is it? What it was going on? It's just like all right. Well, crazy shit crazy. It's so it is so nice Ecuador so random was happening raining and Another thing if you go into try to separate yourself from the first Blair, witch don't start the movie out like it's the Blair witch don't try to don't try to fool people and thinking that this is the movie that they saw last time I was going to be the same trying to make a film like a documentary. Film and people that Oh look at these either these a real town folks you. Stick men salsa well, an Internet that we started sound I'm GonNa Fight Yard, and then somebody came by to buy them and they want rocks and so we went out in the backyard and Got Roxetta Rock Garden but I didn't want to get rid of them. So the guy offered me ten dollars after he started beaten up. took. Thought about like what made us real? Sticks and rocks Z rod going. Yes. You Sling Rog like his crack out. Talk about Iraq. Thing. Guard. My Lab. Jobs is. A real chick who's taking advantage of stupid asses coming through tells gone by rock because of. The witch and yeah that she stepped on that yeah. Ten dollars. Like you say he wasn't really rugged. Around that. This is such a typical. Is. Such a typical horror movie. That, you know that these people are going die. Why because? Well, they get to that crucial moment where they start partying they do drugs they stay drank a lot. In the eventually have six. I don't think it's anything to worry about. So. It's GonNa be. Up You know. Do You. Get the fuck off. Has during certain got be hopping eloping. There's five of us. On the phone. To fucked each other nice. Looking at you all. Crazy around. Actually I've got you to picture. Instill Jaeger Right. But that's what the Blair witch was. That's how our one on one I got to kill them. I mean they're not teenagers, but they got the mentality of one. Stupid motherfucker here they should know better. I. Tell You who my favorite was they. They talk about all the characters don't like, but there was A. There was there was one character I loved and Ms Man A. Sheriff God. and. Share. The moment that who like slim pickens. Picking like Yosemite Sam. Crack because he say all the shit that we wanted to say. Right. Now. SERVING FOR DORAL Yosemite Sam. Alot Dad Berm. Depending From. Our. Bugs out a boy was the whole. Stink. Oh. Agreed that. Because I liked him and he hears act too good either he gets to appoint we. Just just started letting his teeth at four. Oh No, I would bet my entire. Retirement pension. Harvard Pinson. Pitching a low free. Pitch that's redundant sheriff shut. Franson. Concept in the Kitty cat, it's clearly one of the other. Somebody said it's teeth deserved war. He's Way Way motherfuckers to shatter. act. Like. To take a dump, know nobody will shoot now. A. As. But I loved it. I loved it when he was a fucking with Jeffrey with is crazy. Because it meant it was like. Their moments in here where's like a like a it's like a TV show about a dad argue with his slacker, Soha. Like they they just scream at each other darnall torp. Why it's craven's you little ship. Sheriff I'm a little preoccupied right now some talk to you about. Get down there. Well, that's going to be a possible because my van is trashing you know Mommy doesn't let me out after dark. Dark. Back. Talk. Again nor. Stoop. Dan Sarah. please. Cotton second. I'll take I'll take the insults. The retarded and then They like the just get so mad that he just he just starts fucking with these two are great together I, I wish to move. Wished but though because he just. They. Just go back and forth just messing with each other. With the share, he had a news report to fuck with Jeff. I'm like the hell with the. Do a spin off I mean it should have been. This is the second group of tourists he's taken out there because the first ones didn't make. You're. You see me. Shit. Almost take van car and driving good north to. Kick. Your ass. Good. You know they should just spinoff with these two men. Tend to. Share how they still. Don't do the. Do. You want to spin US words has nothing to do was happening. Comedy. SPINOFF. They make vague references to it, but don't really go into. Frazier. Alive fucking. Around Duck Duck, them Blair witch. Share from a stockbroker now. He's still crazy. Oh. You know. Another big problem with this is that the directed this was his first time directors name is Joe. Berlinger. It was the first time I believe. I could be wrong. So please known I is this this because he did documentaries this is first narrative fee, right? Right. And he's gone on to do some things out there a lot of things man he did that. Really Popular Metallica documentary. Because after he did this, he didn't direct another movie for Nineteen Years Yeah. Yeah Yeah He. He produced a lot of stuff and he didn't direct another move for a while. And then. He but he had to write the TV shows. I think things like that. He'd been working now I didn't work. Oh, just indirect another movie because he came back to do Netflix film he did the. The what is it the? The what's killing Dahmer? Real handsome guy. Ted Bundy Ted Bundy. The one with Zach efforts. He extremely wicked. Shockingly Evil Oh. Yeah. So yeah. He did he did that recently and so? Crazy about. I wasn't either. With I'm with you on that. But I yeah exactly. But. He's just not very good. What is act is in his first speech I didn't think. So yeah. Well, also reading like what he wanted to do with the film because he want them, keep it ambiguous in the studio like you know, make this more commercial, but the more I read about what he wanted to do. I. Felt like. That would have been better. It's this would have been a hard one but I'd I don't think what was happening here? The director on I'm not I don't WanNA talk bad about it skills anything I. From what I see here didn't seem like the right choice because. These actors. First of all the the lines are not that good. The writing is not that good. The dialogue is terrible. It doesn't help that you have terrible. Dialogue. And you have shots. Specifically to highlight that bad dialogue like. That stop and focus on nothing. But that bad dialogue who are you? Seasonal. Witch man. That's one of those. You try to. Donald is a tremendous act. And it's late in the movie when it happens for the most part, Jeffrey Donovan his he's doing okay. What is part? You know he's selling it. You'd get that. He's kind of crazy but he's kind of fun to watch and he says that right there. You Right. The movie stops with that. It's it's the same way when we first met me I, meet the Gotcha when he's like, why are you even here? I love that movie like. God. Actually wrote then no. I saw that true though. Like Michael Jackson in bed. Not the. She's the. Man. Seasonal Richmond? I mean takes. No enough where they stopped with that when they like fuck it we give exact. We're here. That's the best. I can do that better. It's okay. Good. No seriously I want another shot man. Oh, man even cut that out. Rude. Even the side characters man and his they. Look the ones even had that much screen time be managed. Whatever time had he managed to squeeze the shitting is out of them. This town at the end is Blair witch town wherever it was. These. Bits Ville it's been. Okay. Sounds. Shits Ville because he's badly hitting. Clear terrible man like it doesn't help that they write than the be cartoon. Town yeah. The next saying nothing book cartoons. Sweet. More Tisch Shah. Vira. Sean. So chooses to the sweet. I like the way the and actually they looked like they will build an up because they start out with scrawny red nickname. Brian and got scooter came up. Sweet You Tissue. How Do. Can you imagine the shot? Is this the cameras GonNa come by and you say you`re Doing yeah, that's how it works. Real life. Sweet. Yeah. Hanging out in front of General Yes. Let me try. To Talk to? Somebody said Tom Hauling, came. Lady you see my parents hot girl. You make. My pants. Man. Are the the the cartoon necks. Are just. The Cut. The complete inbreeds. Cheese data made right there. So this man is so imbredded, it's they made so slow his ass on that floor at the beginning of the movie. Zone out. His team. Two days later after they've robbed in the woods and gone back to Jeffrey Donovan Layer he still writes Anywhere sleep. Low inbred as on the floor looking at the printing lights. His. Cigarette. Hug US on the floor. The Stereo for hours. It's like they put out saying we need an actor who has no chin. Needs to be attached to your neck. And you always good to. He was great in Fried Green Tomatoes. Saying I know I just I just knew him as inbred on the floor and he's a great actor Dan. He's been more foot two days. Done. Save fucking. All the things he he got. He was there and he just. Seems like. Same part. On the same. Finished, now. Come. finished. No you know. You. Can't even do you can't even do extras convincingly all these extras see what extra ain't got no speaking parts all these fools just overactive ain't got no parts. All of buying a camera. He's actually supposed to be. There's a look at my marriage. Never work again, but you remember this shot. Up Please please I with a funding microphone kermit. The Frog Sesame Street News. S. H., T. News, please please slag. By Card Right. there. At? ME. You listen no matter what this guy's done you can you can always pauses frame on the Blair witch to. See Him right there. Kids. They're like crazy reported numbers sixty eight. Movie Stars. Not doing that. Nameless name a species reporting ninety two. Yeah shut the Fuck Day. Methadone. Ban inbred on the floor got more screen dish shut the fuck up Dan. You gotTa love, and everything. Yeah. And then the movie the movie just jumps around man movie jumps around. And nonsensical ways confusing flashbacks. Yeah. That was the studio he. Wanted to put it all at the in Oh really studio with the ones who say like now, let's cut this up and have it interspersed. But throughout that might have been a little better because it's confusing what they did here. They got ghostly images in here are just rash of the flashbacks of of what happened at the time that they blacked out they go. It was more the Jeffrey Donovan and the asylum stuff they went to, oh, he wanted to save to the end. That would have been better because now we're asking like well what? WH- throughout this movie. His crazy has never really played a part in the. they do these flashbacks where there's there's a moment that they've all gone blinked I don't remember the night but for some reason, all caught on tape so they keep doing this and flashback. Confusing. Things that they've started remember ghostly images that pop up these in these ghost have nothing to do with that fucking chick that was bugging running man. She had nothing to do with this and that's not bad enough. They just have random images of things that pop of that have. Maybe this has nothing to do with the story that you know that we don't see it but you know it's screams re-shoots. Oh Footage, forced in there because you're right it has nothing. All all you need to know is that it was a Blair witch in made influence influenced the actual people to do crazy shit and remember that's all you need. You need random images of leg one do looking like he was electrocuted. Dan that was unnecessary. Name Call. This movie Jay Harvard does not need that Shit and fuck for doing this art grandmother Shit like. Like this l., let's say L. actually cracked album popped up staring at like he really going to do some. Shit that outdraw. Out Drug that. I said you gotTA. You GotTa Sleeps. I'm a night creature you. Got On his mad that. She you. Thank you creature the night. Let's see who lasts longer. Who? But then he said. He's Listen apparently bad is going to do some. Late on the move that Al fucked up. Brink. Partied and drake his ass off. A free ride into the window. Off. Sit On fucked up. Dab. Of. Leave bit and I'll leave you. Just, crash for. Being. Everybody got footsie roller. What's missing. Just their. Single. La. Party foul. I. Had A you of? Fluids. If. Like what the fuck? Put. Their window. Rag Anyway. Talk. Through. Comedy that he's fucked up he's not supposed to be scary a dead out of Hilar-. He's drunk. At is just Look Scary. Movie. A parody. seriously. Scare. The should have put a ball in his hand. Yeah. That's real. GET DOWN Somebody's all to hear. Everybody. But it'd be a stronger than you think. It is. Shit Go. Wrong turn out Maclay America. Fuck. Could. Tell me. I. Resident Your boy overactive man. 'cause then it just ends. It ends whereas is where it's implied that all this bullshit these flashbacks and needs scary moments and ghostly images is implied that, oh no that was bullshit. They might have just gone crazy and killed each other. Somebody fucker. Okay We cut to the song and how dare it we have a shot that long before you get the music and the. Who? You are. So mad about that but now. You. Okay. So now what happens like credit risk come on? No. Real. Heavy Shit the fuck you bench. Got Some goddamn neuro do no man don't slam the door either So. Either the Blair witch is a kick ass editor who was on that deep fake ship before the technology was ever introduced right they would just all crazy inflows Bhai. Whiskey weed and the movie and witchcraft in an maybe witchcraft. Yeah. You're not curator. Not, even not even witchcraft is like up was witchcraft. They, just they just crazy they do you know was it? With another case of. Art Influence in life. Get? The fuck out here. To tell something to man it's another thing that the Blair witch did. Very. Minimal. Very minimalist. There was there was no music. Sparse on even the sound effects. This thing is pushing a heavy as soundtrack. Yeah. Loud all the way through he has matter of fact, in the movie up, there was a listing of tracks from the sound soundtrack trying to sell the the Blair witch soundtrack like I I didn't know if you would've liked it or not because there was some critics at the time who you know some people in the with the time were. into it but also, this is at the time when everybody was up Harry knows his ass on ain't cool news the directors went and actually took him the lunch. They played shuffle yeah. Man. Harry knows was such a fucking sell out. He was such an asshole man. Oh. Yeah. Every time. This out he was like awesome movies Hollywood was going through a period. The Internet was still something new to them, and so they would just they found thought would work and they would just they were all up to Azman in NATO's directors took him out to lunch and then they bought out a theater just for him to see the movie. Of course, it came back. He's like. I loved this film and I think because he was saying he liked it. There were a few other Internet critics who will like well, should I said it's good and I think is great. He's He would do that and on some occasions backtracked and I can't remember if this was one of the ones he did that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. After being charm to write glowing review. Then some weeks later APP people jumped on him. You know I saw this again in Maybe. I was wrong. Digest this thing. Out Blow, job. Because they have to talk shit about the, you know the filmmakers, the student whatever because they really battery view man. Because they. took him out to dinner. gave him his own theater to watch this, and then they built a whole around him where he's like the mythology of the stick them with. But still mixers Al-Muhajir's SHUTOFF members. You know what he came in the studio event that motherfucker was for sale. By, know it I. Mean because he did it a lot to me. You know also he had that of site at the time the like the hipster critics like well I. Say it sucks and he's as good. Then people are going to not think that. Yeah. Yeah. Let me just go ahead and get on this train. Yeah. So I thought I thought maybe like I know there's some people that liked and I wasn't going to be like, Oh, you like their bullshit. Because I will say I will say again to the movies credit I. Think a lot of people did admire it. You know it's it's terrible film and most people said but some people say you know what I just admire that they tried to do something different that they they knew better than to go off and try to repeat the same thing trying to make their own. They tried to actually do sort as many thing about the you know. What at that movie actually drove people to do horrendous crimes and real life maybe are was it the witch knows? Makes me have more respect for. For that other Blair, which I wasn't crazy about this a lot of people like this because you like this one because you know again is doing more than what the last one. So I wasn't crazy about. And I didn't hate the characters in this one. So but I tell you I didn't like it but I do have more respect for now. But yes, people. So you go. Well it's funny because up until watching this today, I have despised movie I remember at the time as much as I didn't like the first Blair which I hated this when so much it was on my list of worst possible movies ever made. Oh. Yeah I remember. I despise despises move yeah change. Change inasmuch as watching it was like, wow, I've seen so many really really shitty movies now I just think this one is really bad but and it was just like all right. It's like so many other bad movies I've seen. Is Not, angering me like it did at the time because I was curious. Well, I mean if you think about it because at the time comes out is so You know everything that they were doing and just kind of that. Property for what it is. Yes. So it was so much more obvious back. But Yeah I'm like shitty movie Oh but I. Twenty years ago. I totally forgot about this movie. I remember thing about I didn't either I I remember there was a goth chicken it like even watching this when Jeffrey Donovan showed up I was like, Oh what's he doing and I didn't I didn't know is Jeffrey Donovan. Is Moving. Yeah, I do I do remember the only thing I do remember remember that he was in a sale losing his mind I remember this part of some reason. But other than and even in it was different in my head is different. Song plane and everything. So. People. Yeah. It's pretty horrible. Pretty horrible film, but there's elements to that. Make me think somebody could remake to make good. Well, they've done certain things with it they play. They play with this video games. And nothing's really hit strong heard there was one video game that was good but they recently recently released one on. On the XBOX and that one was they said, this one actually might have made a better movie that game so. I mean you know I think you read about this movie they will always come back and say like well, critically, it was paying but financially, it still made money. made it for fifteen million in it may forty seven. So yeah. So Know I mean again no guest. Wise. That's what they wanted. They hit they hit at the right time when people were getting ripped off. Your didn't wait. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. There you go. Lay which cover the truth but one of them has a secret that will unlock the curse. Believing the Blair witch. Did you bother to come I thought the movie was cool. Get Credit Card that gives you what you need. Now a low interest rate on everyday purchases and a place to transfer high interest rate balances. The pen fed gold contactless card is our lowest rate credit card. 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Tales of the Bloodmoon 1-15: "Paint Me Like One of Your Traumatic Memories"

Warp Lords Podcast

56:04 min | 5 months ago

Tales of the Bloodmoon 1-15: "Paint Me Like One of Your Traumatic Memories"

"Hail low everybody. In welcome back to the warp lords podcast. My name is mike danger voter and will be your host your dungeon master and your guide to all things terrible this week on tales of the blood moon tonight. I am joined by my players. Jared graham sunny and devon. Why don't you guys tell me who you're playing. And then we'll get into it. Hey guys it's jared I in playing zule roth or also known as zule. The spider guy that throws around big metal balls N gram and. I'm playing blair the once struggling now with a new purpose artists. Who's gonna kill someone eventually calling it. It's going to happen. One of these sessions who i'm sunny. I'm playing emmy. Who is a tango which cock-up bird man mixture from japan And honestly he's got no will to go on and i have no more will to continue describing him. That's fair and i'm devon and i play rhubarb the cheesy bo wheeled in wisecracking cat. Who's you know the only wadih el heroes at the party. Yeah and what happened last week. Gentlemen i did stuff. Wow i did a sick like flip over some. I shot a dude in a shot to do that. I did like a flip over him into the room It's happened at erupted interrupted. A magic ritual With my bow skills and then Working on knocking over a bucket full of blood right now. Well that will happen but before it did. Nobody can before. Well i'm going to stay at anyway. Zora ran in after those monsters. Who who ran off. With abraham instead body and you were like let's just run away and then you waited outside. We gave you a logical explanation to help our friends. All dice rolled. It will the guy who was triggered biological explanation. It was not logical whatsoever. I is more like you're a guilt trip than a logical like we were all playing guys we just trip who've and now look what happened. Yeah we'll on the air to turn sooner. Maybe i would like to take care of yourself. You know he's incapacitated due to no no will and Zuroff also has no will in his pool though so he's still there but not in good shape yeah zohrab kinda just got like he he can still add like he can still actually have the will to live. He just chooses not to so he's apathetic. It's not a face. Yeah i mean player was making bug spray or something like you make shameless jokes at the expense of your own life making some round up. Yeah yes i i believe. At the end of the last session. I asked him to make a potion or make something to restore. These will to live or something like that. It would help on illegally there immoral easier. Remember balls garon drink. Yes enter nickname. Bee as wls. Yeah make me one of those dude. Like that would guide i would increase my will like the maximum would just go up. I'm gonna keep making the plant stuff out there. This is going to be a fun session. We're like in pretty shitty. You guys have anything to add to the recap. No i honestly. I think that's most of the re- graham did anything happen. I know that the girl stirred in her sleep in did. Did anything happened between us. I pushed or closer to the fire. I think that's literally all that happens other than moisture into a fire closer to fire them. Yeah i think we joked about how funny it would have been if he asks if she accidentally caught fire. If i'm not mistaken but yeah that's basically what happened. We fought too big old guerrilla boys and then there were more and rhubarb. Did everything pretty sure that this is just going to be barb. Kicking ass while the rest of us. Just cheer cheerleader. The hope is that fucking on. Well take me a while to pass the strength checks so to push over the bowl if remote gains consciousness. Maybe she can heal us a little. Bit so yeah. Let's let's let's set the scene here boys So picking back up emmy and zoll. Roth are outside of the room that this large hulking abomination stands in front of rhubarb. You are in the room with the elder or the leader that you assume you assume to be the elder or the leader of these creatures and it inexplicably got amnesia last session due to wild magic and it wanders around this room. Confused as fuck blair. You are still finishing up your potions while watching over ramona in the forest as the night gets darker and darker. Okay you me to go. What are you doing just for my own edification and for our listeners. Could i roll like Sensor magic or something. As see if i can figure out what the source of the ritual is yes of course which one which one should i roll Please make me a. Please make me a sense. Check like jack five or five year. You'd think that the ritual has something to do with. Obviously you still think it has something to do with the base in full of blood case is where your focus is drawn to okay. I'm going to continue trying to tip over the in full of what cool yet you go ahead and make a string check their but sure fail right there gals bolted until might as well be fucking bolted into the way as a lever for. If you want to use your harder you can do that. But we're gonna roll opposed k. So ro- your role your blower rank and ab your strength instead of agility twenty two you tip over the basin physics You kind of like push it up and it starts to slosh a little bit you whip out the bow from behind your back and kind of use the steely edge of your sword that make up the bow and knock over the basis as you do so the blood hits the feet of the creature that's wandering around looking around this room confused as fuck and it seems to instantly pick back up on. What was what was happening here. And it looks over at you. And it. Screeches as the creature screeches two things happen it starts to run it you and you see that. The body of abraham that was lying dead twisted and mangled on the floor is seemingly beginning to twist itself What do you do. I gotta run away. Okay rollo's jill you can add your armor to this thirty seven. That is not going to be fast enough. The creature runs over and Swipes at you once hitting you for two wounds. What type of physical. And i need you to roll for a bleed on this claw attack. Is it swiped across your chest. Nine okay. You are now bleeding across the chest. Anti one additional wound. How i believe you are. You are bleeding What's your what's your pool wounds situation looking like right now out of curiosity. I haven't taken any wounds unless i take the lead right now yet. You take the bleed wound. Okay i've i've taken one okay to physical resistance so i haven't taken anything yet. Okay i got you kuku. The creature is gonna try and pick you up with. Its other hand. I'm going to try and not be picked up. Could call forty seven. Okay that will. That will narrowly dodge the fucking media. Try the try. Fingered palm of this creature comes crushing down and careening towards you. You manage to nimbly dodge out of the way distancing yourself from the creature again and you see it. Basically punches. A hole into the floor with such force. This creature seems to be Enraged by the blood being spilled I'm gonna to try and run away still okay. I mean you are in a position to do so. If you're trying to run away this. I am trying to annoy cat. Shake myself before i die. Yeah sorry dude. I got no more resources to help you out thirty eight. Oh yeah this creature is like stuck into the floor for a moment you use this opportunity to run the fuck down And you to get down to that other floor off of the off of the latter that other one is still here and he's still standing there I'm gonna try run cool. He's gonna grab you as you run says legs or something. I'll do a somersault through his. Likes sweet deal comparable forty-nine dude. Yeah you're good. I can stop doing math here. You're good yes absolutely you fucking slide underneath his legs as he comes like bucking up with his one arm. Trying to grab you with it and you slide right underneath. And then you're in a position to run for the door again. Money out run than yeltsinite companions. We've we gotta get out of here. Go run for your lives i. I don't respond. zoro grab grab emmy by the hands. Has he saw what happened. Basically and start leading him. He can't right now his will hurts too much now. He can't he just doesn't i'm just gonna say it makes more sense. Because he got no will so the to will will. This guy's run hand in hand can emmy you're dragging to carry him. He's kind of going at a reluctant. I guess that Gotta go faster. Yeah i'm doing now i'm doing. I'm i'm drifting k. Use your thing to talk to blair until we gotta go Honestly makes as he continues to lead onward. I'm saying that he like it's too painful for him to want to do that. Yeah no i get it. We're not doing it doing it by him eventually. Though i don't want to be making the who's making the a the weed killer for the rest of the campaign so your special ability that everyone hates finally it will become useful useful on money and not for me. Calvin a run just run towards wherever blair's nagai's fuck in haul ass on atta here you here as you guys Fleet your various paces through the town You notice that they don't seem to follow you. They however as you run out of this abandoned ramshackle Like what in village in the thick of the or the open clearing rather you all just hear more of that horrid screaming and shrieking from these creatures coming from inside of that building as you flee town at this point you also notice that The fire has almost completely engulfed a that building at this point because again it's all wood and just left it so the fire is now spreading through the town. That's probably not a bad thing great. We tried our best look so far. This is obviously not the way we're supposed to be going so this is not a shod. You guys narrowed it down well. We did confirm for for sure that all the other two companions are dead. We didn't leave to die because they were already dead. Hey you guys tried. It's more than i expected. So do we have to make rolls or do we. Just i know you as you guys flee out of town you follow the pathway and you eventually meet back up with blair blair. You're in the middle. You actually in this interim as this all happens you finish your first potion. Second one's about halfway done now. Okay you see that remote gets really really pale as all. This is happening as they catch up. You mean. this is like as they're coming up your leg noticing her and you like hear the sound of rustling at the the the brush as it's happening. She gets super super pale and she has like a couple of veins in in her wrists around where. Like some of the scarring is currently starting to heal under her bandages. You see like some black entering into her veins and you just kinda you hear her. Just go no. no no. don't don't take my soul. No and she's like frantically like moving back and forth in her sleep more actively at this point. I don't know a whole lot about medicine but she doesn't seem like she's doing very good. You guys all come up and you see you. Uc blair is looking over ramona. Bit concerned zuroff gestures over to emmy. Who's got like a thousand yard stare going on honestly make it a two thousand stare dry zubaydah like put his arms up in shrugs like okay. I conveyed the pertinent information. Is there anything else you really do. I guess you'd technically still be able to hear my thoughts right zuroff. I mean as as a will list as they are still be able to hear them right. Yeah i never said that. I stopped them. I ve you have thoughts. I feel like that would be a danger question. 'cause he's incapacitated you have thoughts of course off okay. I mean i wasn't. I wasn't going to measure them to be like my thoughts are like these clear communications. I just more of a a. We'll talk about it when you have a will and i have a will later but you probably would gain some insight. Because he wouldn't. Yeah that makes sense. I would say that. I as iraq can hear your thoughts. But it's painful for him and he can't turn it off all right. Well then i will tell you that if his will is down then that means he's no longer doing the protection that he would do from his thoughts normally to like you know so you wouldn't get the personal stuff you're probably getting some personal info that it's really more about that. You're probably learning stuff you didn't really wanna know because it's just like his thoughts are just going wherever they go. You know it's like he's got a really really terrible hangover and everything it's too loud and he can't turn it off and there's just like all of your fucking shit going into his brain and he can't stop it actually a danger can i. Can i tell him something that you and i have talked about in my backstory that chore. Cool this whole situation. That were in like i think that you would probably just see images. I don't know if you'd be able to make sense of them. Because they're just thoughts so describe an image but Uc another town on fire in the night. And you see like in the center of that this like giant beast and you probably get the emotional aspect of imagine as part of the thought and you get paid. Well it's it's actually a lot of grief and a lot of guilt. You just absorbing your emotions hundred percent did yeah. He kinda puts his his hands up to his head and he's just like kind of grimacing in pain set. The right word think it is accurate. I couldn't choose between the two anyway as he's like watching these horrifying in wincing in pain. Is it the same kind of monster we just fought. no okay. it's just a different monster. A different town on fire and the feeling of grief. Yes so so much of it connects in the sense that it there's a fire. It's time there's a monster. Yeah yeah it's kind of like almost like it's triggering. You know what i mean. Yeah and it. Searing itself in two zero memory as well. Yeah it you. Can you stop it screams from emmys memory like what reliving you can feel. You can take on that pain and that emotion. That's coming from him reliving. This thought as he's like a walking husk in front of you. Can i can ask. an honest. Question is like perceptive. like this. he would he be able to kind of gain some insight into that. I don't know what a sense. I i would say that because my will is my pool is depleted. He can't like not do these things so he yeah he tried to. He would try to determine what's going on in in his head right now and what he's seeing is it the is it like a you know a vision of the future of this town or what. The fuck is happening. Okay because i have a wound in sense that makes this a blackjack. I have a four three. Then i mean danger. You might have more to add to this. But i feel like i should just tell you. I assume that what that you'd probably pick up on the fact that emmys like obsession with not leaving these people behind is almost entirely based on whatever. This memory is like that. Whatever you how how. I was playing him basically to be like no. We're not leaving these people. I think that you would now see. Oh this is some shit for him. I get where you're going with that danger. Do i sense that the guilt the guilt. That was driving him to behave differently earlier today. Absolutely you absolutely kind of put together that parallel pretty quick. It seems like there's a lot of grief and emotion. That's like behind this and this thought won't go away from emmys mind now yours you would accompany that Perserverence to be like grief and guilt manifested into that. Well it's a good thing zoo wearing a face mask otherwise you'd see. His eight is flowing with tears because he can't stop feeling this terrible feeling from emi. But he doesn't convey at right now because it's kind of a pretty tense situation. That'd be like super lame in total by guys started crying. Yeah right totally not manly. But yeah blair you try and get help and literally just kind of staring at each other. I mean like wincing in pain with his hands by is head. The only person here that's like really there is going to be rhubarb mentally. I mean i look towards can rhubarb. Talk sylvan yeah. I mean i can talk. I'll look towards you since you seem to. Is he visibly the most together to. Yeah like he comes. He comes up to the the scene. I leading leading the charge. The only thing wrong with him like there's a slight like tear in his armor and like his robes. And you see like blood kind of filtering out from the. That's about it guys. Looked like he got kinda fucked up. Yeah you should see the other guy though snitch. Probably is yeah. He's yeah he's fine. He's actually chasing us right now so we gotta go okay. Let's let's go. I guess we gotta get the care the caravans at this the camp i would assume right. Yeah yeah yeah so. Let's get her into the up in their way on our we. Don't we have to. We have to cross a whole river bridge. Yeah we have to cross a shitty. The zoo almost fell into and we also have to carry. That's not getting support for however long that path was well. It's not a corpse. Yeah we go. We have to get back to the caravan. Yeah yeah well how my talking with them. Then you're you're not at the attic. I literally just ask if the caravan was right there. Oh no no the literally terrorist camp. That you made was literally right next to the bridge. You're still in the okay. We got across the bridge. So you've actually caravan while gotta need a hand with her kazaa not exactly strong way. She's a fairy right. This is not very big. She's an ramona's found out sh. She's a skinny though for what it's worth had a mistaken. I i don't need a lot of additional hands. I just i do need more though. I'm small can't carrier. you're either gonna help me carrier. She's going to stay here in die. Zuroff has mb and one. For someone's someone's get help okay. I'm not particularly. Dropped will try to help with his other hand. He's got one on 'em ranked straight year extract. And i use my strength. Did on the strong. I can even over pushover bucket. Okay did push it over. I did gas dude have used levy game all right right right okay. That means you're not just big in the arms but big brain also brave. Yeah k- what's the best way to get across with their. We've got rope. How large is she. Relation to me. Danger i mean yeah man lake. She bigger than so she's like a regular sized al. She's like six. Okay so much super. Six two yeah. I don't know how it's gonna work is no excuse me. Sorry i have it. Written down that that She has a little bit shorter. She's a she's under six while still are you just you take the front. I'll take the back and we'll make like a wheelbarrow shape who were also trying to help with his free hand. But it's like it's all you have to help you in both. It's like when people are carrying a piece of furniture and there's that third person to the side who's got their hands but they're not really doing anything that's worth doing. I was trying carrier across his bridge. Since you're assisting each other i'll do this. I'll let you guys add your strength stats together and role that as your check and then on the both of you to make checks so you're adding your strength together so devon. What's your strength. Three and graham even earring so you have a tune of two so far so we have to both saying fiber s. Okay i got a seven six dead right. She's gonna start like you bear. Both barely have a hold of her. And you start walking across the bridge at your grasp fucking immediately dude. Please make wait. Wait wait can. I use better skill. Better lucky than skill for this year. Yeah absolutely can do this again. I forgot i had that. Oh yeah you can substitute i because i have a five luck so that would then make it an eight so you guys can re role at an eight. Yes come on now. I got a three got an you guys don't have any more issues At least half the party. Yeah you guys you you make it over very very slowly but you do manage to make it across the bridge. I should upgrade my strength. Oh i had a three strengthened now to now the fun part zero am i still floating. Just kind of assumed. I never landed. Because when i got when i lost my will i was in the air. I just kind of assumed. I was like kind of like a few feet above the ground you were. You were definitely sitting after you lost your will cause you work flying but you are up like on that second floor so you did kinda stopped flying for a minute but then you started floating out of the building and then zoro is like loki. Kinda just holding your hand guiding you along. You're you're essentially like a balloon now. Okay yeah helium balloon. And i'm like sad child with a single parents just told you that you have to order something. That's better than chicken tenders. Or he's just watching town. Get massacred while screams are just like echo through his head and he can't stop it. Yeah a common. Cheyenne do the same event. So i don't know how okay true. Anyway i i try to. I try to lead you along and take special care not fuck it up. Don't fuck it up. 'cause i i can't i know i'm aware but let me remind you know pressure dude. But don't the no pressure okay. Danger what am i doing to lead him across this bridge yet. So i don't have to carry him i just have to. You're not carrying him But i do need you guys to make agility checks. I was going to say. Can i use my intelligence to like. Try to guide him strategically so that he makes bigger steps by pulling a little bit harder over like certain parts. But you can't use your you can use your brain to systematically figure out where you're gonna move yourself and then pull him to make an easier. Yeah i don't think that i'm taking steps dude. I think i'm just like nine just generally you're literally a balloon behind him. I think technically you could. You could probably have me in front of you. You can just push me push me like ten feet and then you catch up well. I rolled the agility. And i fucking blackjack they fuck what happens you blackjack agility check and you kind of like nimbly bimbo like move your legs in your various limbs Catholic two at a time. You can put enough pressure on each plate where you can test it out before moving to see if it's going to break in that readjust should have done that last time. Yeah eggs how did i fuck it. Up it's fucking going in with all them legs at once but you guys managed to get to the other side of the To the other side of the bridge great now we just have a fucking for us to get through a forest to get for also like blair and i went a different way to get here so we don't know how to get back troops. You know tell you. But i won't be great. We'll have a nice chat. Eventually if we survive so you guys want to go ahead make me sense checks please everyone yeah you're trying to figure out the best way to get back out stark now. I i have no fucking fellas. I don't know where the fuck we i failed. When you say everyone i pass. Am i included. You're included in this okay. Am i rolling at a disadvantage of any sort. No i mean you you. You're still looking a nice break. Nice break from the success but not a blackjack. Cool so i've got to fail. And i've got a pass. Jared devon you pass to. Jared would you get. I failed okay. Cool you guys are all kind of looking around Essentially along the cliff that separates the that separates the two sections. Where the bridge is. You look down and eventual. There's like a pathway. That's cleared up to the edge of the cliff that lets you guys walk. And eventually that slopes down further There are a couple of sorry. There is a pathway directly on the opposite side of the bridge as well so it kind of gives you two directions that you can go. I will try them up and say actually it might lead to talk. Sorry i know what you got. Okay with the will thing. It's a little if you go back that way and i. I pointed direction that me and blair had originally come from because that way there is a dangerous mushroom patch. But like that's your prerogative. So i passos should do i. I know how to get back to the caravan. You know the path that you and zule took and you know that. That is the same direction. So yeah you have a you all While anyone who passed has general idea of how to head back. Oh yeah. I got confused on which we split up so it was actually me and rhubarb. Yes again it's more that there's just another pathway. If you thought that that would be a better way to go giving you your options as you pass your checks you know knocking to withhold information. The way we came there wasn't anything dangerous. Oh we should go that way. Okay instead of through the mushrooms where emmys for okay so All right guys this way so basically what what happens is you. You follow that clearing directly opposite of the bridge when you guys let off You walk down and you walk down this kind of like curving sloping steep hill overrun with roots and vines and you come to a fork in the road. This is where you all found that bit of dress in the bushes that led you to find the bridge. So if you were to take the Take the path one path Best way i can put it without you know just sending you the entire map would be to take a left. That brings you through the clearing. That has all of the mushrooms in it. If you were to follow this path as the hill that would bring you to the path that Rhubarb and zule round with the tower. Yeah we're going up the hill going up. The hill tryin google yet. You as walk up the hill. You find that like shoot path that leads up that spiraling hill to the tower. Takes you some time to start climbing up the hill once again are going all the way up to the majors tower or are you looking for that bushwack pathway. You guys may looking for the pack. Yeah i'm looking for the coup f. Yeah you still have. You made a couple of markings and indications in it. You know just to make sure you wouldn't get lost so you find that pathway snake back through it and you are in the original pathway that you took right Do you want to go ahead and make me another sense. Check please gentlemen Passed this time. One out of three black jack. Five fail i fail. I would have blacked so devon not only. Do you remember the direction that you guys came from. But you as you kind of like looking around and scoping around you see another Another path directly adjacent from you. That looks like it can be bush whacked out pretty easily to open up another pathway and it looks like it would be better necessarily. It's more that there's an option. While i think we should go with the path that we know lead safely back to the caravan. That seems pretty reasonable to me. I don't know. But i don't know could be gold. There could be called the other. No no let. Samis lavar owes find a bunch of despite a bunch of cheese in the middle of a forest. Yeah i'm going for it. It's like fucking hansel and gretel but with cheese looking fed crumbles all the way down the back of cheese cool. So you down the path you know leads atta hit christ. Yeah yes. Of course we do cohort do we do. We do has had on head on back out everybody. Please make me agility checks. I pass to six. Do i have any it be. Flying is at a making us. I fail yeah. Do you still need agility from you. Even though you're flying okay. Fail high past okay. So i've got to passes to fails right. Can i try to. Can i try to help him with by intelligence grabbing him by the hand still. I mean by him. Do you mean defin- miami. Yeah 'cause i'm literally holding his hand in guiding him Sure i'll say that you're still kind of your being held back a little bit. But you're still holding his hand and lake guiding him The issue is that this pathway has become a little bit overgrown in the period of course have taken So basically you're pulling emmy through some vines and you're kind of pulling him along through as he kinda floats behind you yet blair. Can you make me electric fail. Okay six five yet. You trip great trip on a route and i need you to roll dodge role as you see the vine that trip. You is moving so What what kind of containers. My poison like an aerosol. it's not an aerosol. It's looking in like a very standard potion. Vile eleven okay. This thing grabs you and it starts to pull you into the woods all right. Yeah i'm gonna whip out the potion and pour some on okay cool. Yeah if you want to go ahead and make an agility check please. Because you are. Currently being grappled lacek this town passed an actual if you were going to pass a role. This is the one Yeah you pull it out. And you pour it on the creature and you actually you see that it dissolves right through the vine and the vine at the end of it begins to grow like black and becomes a little bit hollow on the inside and the vine shoots back into. The forest asked two sessions of potion. Brewing was totally worth it to plus session to thank you very much. You still have. What's your intelligence rank again. You have a d ranked intelligence I might have upgraded intelligence. Know still drink five so yet you still have a one use in this file love it. There's like your first batch you made right. Yeah so that fucking happens. Everybody else's fine. Yeah of course they are. You're fine to technically. I am now watched with horror but was unable to do anything to help so man. That sucks that you're getting pulled away by this vine. I wish i could do something pretty much. I hope he just like me. Do zora feels like a fucking like empty capri sun right now. So got no more juice left dude. You're not just because you're being likened to a balloon doesn't mean you're litter. They're going to float away. Oh yeah loon a. b. That's that's what i want. I want to float away like a balloon dude. That'll be the end of my character dude. He'll retire just be like that. Sadly just a at the high peak in a mall just flies to the top of the atmosphere in suffocates for awhile. And how close are we to returning to our camp. Oh you guys It takes you a little bit of time. You do manage to get out of there. Thank fuck you guys. Come back to the The encampment and you see the caravans or taken off of the road and they are far away from the woods at this point. Takes you a little bit of time. But you meet up with the companions. That are still here. I finally let go of emmy's hand. Okay great oh might which is which is the right way and none of them are dude. We went to l. forum. You guys haven't found the right way yet. Only you had a better guide you know. He's going to hit us personnel much. I say he's gonna. He's the only one with the willpower to keep finding it. So now i fell. Right did is did. We successfully managed to get ramona back. At least yes so it wasn't a total waste. We got one though she might be like sick. We lost an old guy and like a reporter. So you guys walk up to your You guys walk up to your companions. They have set up a camp under lake incumbent of rocks using some of the supplies making tent around it. There's a fire out front And warming the inside Seems as though some of your companions are making some food. You all notice that there are There's like a makeshift spigot. And there is like a huge fucking wolf corpse. That's being roasted at the spent That's concerning and you see you see the growth of the two To warrior twins from the heartland is turning spit. Your back Sure what really does that mean back or we have really gone. Yeah you were gone for a very long time. I'm a quick trip at all. Yeah we were. We were definitely We were ambushed by some wolves. Came stalking out of the stalking out of the woods. Took care of them though. Zora sits down by the fire. And he's just kind of like gazing into the flames For a while and then he pulls out his his art supplies to make painting can just not saying anything to anyone this fixation on this fire. If it's not clear. I'm trying to draw the fucking image. That's been flashing through my mind of backstory. Yeah that's new york. Yeah and i draw this as devoid of will as i possibly can. There's no soul in this art while it looks just like something. I remember to blackjacks. One fail over is gone off by anymore. Elliott's can as you sit down to the fire. Collect yourselves grab some like grab some mold cider from from the pot that's being warmed and wait for the food to finish you. Notice that zoll just starts like mindlessly sketching and after a moment you can almost see the page come to life. Emblazoned with fire as it swirls around this dark horned demonic figure towering above town. I need both I need rhubarb and to make me willpower chess. Well i can't pass but at the same time as he's showing it to me. You're literally sitting next to him as it's happening to die. That's a little balloon. Boy pass on the bright side you use anymore will help the negatives now is like having a very. This is just making your your experience here way worse. Were already thinking about this a lot. And now it is personified in a moving picture in front of your fucking face Devon even though you instantly know where this is from you managed to contain your composure. Nothing i i'm not. I don't wanna do this. Because i don't actually want to be mean but just for the sake for the sake of imagining it Zule roth i think emmy references. The drawing that you earlier is extremely upset about. This probably says some things. He doesn't mean he's probably very mean to you about bringing to life this awful thing from his head and then people just fucking stop. Just quit or quit. This is i. Don't actually want to be but like you can imagine. I think one hundred percent. And that's what he's thinking or the zoo might be able to hear. No no no. He says it out loud is i. Don't wanna do it personally. How is hearing it. he sing it does you'll. he has no will have a filter. I'm sure you know who our office almost like. Not even in control of himself at this point. He's just like completely fixated on the fire and what he's doing and just things are happening around him as you keep telling him that he sucks tells me he tells you these our is pointless in that. It just hurts people in that. There's no reason to keep doing it like it's just awful. You know the does blair notice it though. I would assume so. Join roll ford. I just wanted you again. You guys are all sitting together at a fire. I don't think that you would ignore this. How how i mean like. It's very an impressive drawing especially for like zorro. It's not in his normal style. Like you didn't get up and tap dance this shit to life. It's very impressive. For his very scattered sketchy like single line. Ask messy drawing. That comes to life in a very collected. Neutral tells that looks fucking great bullshit. Bullshit look at that thing look at it closer. Get up in there. No i refuse to get closer in fact we should throw it away. It's terrible it's just awful. It's funny like my best piece of artwork is just depicting the most member look at the the ever experienced is masterpiece and he hates it. He just completely. It's what i have will. I'm sure it'll be different. But for the time being. He does no way he could control these lights. You of instead of being a dick. No just won't be on the bright side again. remember all right He can't lie but he just won't. Yeah right now as soon as you compliment them dude. Even he's mad at you. He's like fuck you for even daring to complement. This guy is fucking asshole. As ability of reading my mind is bullshit just completely mad about it. I just thought it was a drawing. I don't know if i know that part's going on he. Probably i think it's a good drawing. It's okay. I guess that's a very big topic. Rhubarb right really the. What's the one time i'm on your side. I don't like. I don't like what he drew. Drew oh god i. I want to Mike and i just fly up into the atmosphere and just die now. I don't know dude. I don't think you have the willpower to fly that high. That seems like a lot of hurt. Find that makes sense. But i'm not happy about it. If only we had a second healer third healer she has been taken in and the The more likely of the two warrior twins Begins to lick changeover. Her bandages a little bit and start putting her to rest puts like a cold compress on her head. You know all that kind of shit. Eventually you all are served up food. lazarus is still drinking even though you told him to stop drinking And he put like pulls out a couple more glasses from his sack like the front of it is almost like a picnic setup that has just like a couple of glasses and a small bar set in it and he pulls out glasses and he hands you all a brown liquor. It w- it seems as though you've all run into some rather frightful creatures It seems like a a a drink coves. Help us sleep through the eve. Sleep can't sleep. you've got to go you. You truly propose that we all leave now in the middle of the night near. Well i guess we could stay here and let the monsters you know come kill that works to zora reaches out. He lifts his mask to reveal that like he's been crying from his eight is and he swigs the entire the entire thing down every time someone proposes a plan and i don't care if they're contradictory emmy just agrees with it. Yeah let's go as soon as homeboys like we camped for the night i agree then as soon as you re rebar are like no. We should leave he degrees. I agree with that. Yeah he does that every time. This is extremely conflicting information. I don't see no truly we should. We should wait. You all are in no shape to continue on. That's a great point. Yeah i agree. I mean we're all kinda fucked up. Sure but i'm not but everyone else is kind of fucked up but yeah we should probably leave here either way. That's true. yeah well. I mean we should. We should leave in the morning. When we have lightened side of the inside of the forest. Right doesn't that make the most sense. Look good point also if we sleep through the night. I'm sure that will have more light than none at all. Ooh petty could point. You gotta stop. You're right. I do have to do. I feel like the monsters. Were following us or that. They have just remained in the You you continue to hear the screeching like if is getting go through the forest. It does not get closer. It stays in that central position in location. I guess we have to risk it. Well that is yes we should. We should set up watches the camps already ready to go. The horses are stabled in taking care of for the night but we will have to take watches. That's a very good point. I should take all the watches. You guys can just go lay down. Please please go lay down please. You know what i will do that. That's a good point gets put to bed. Do you actually go. the i mean. Yeah dude you suggested. And i'm gonna thank fucking god now. You didn't tell them to go to sleep is lying down in the corner of the fucking stance ten shouting away at the groups against a good idea. Sounds like a great plan. Worked is collapsed at this point just laying next to the fire just lying on the ground can can me to snug up on you dude like an you know what i mean like. I said it's gonna be real cute. I give you permission. He lays up on ya. Yeah so we're just we're just two will list boys sleeping next to a fire. I don't know who suggested this. But the good idea cool. So you guys are doing doing your thing Rhubarb and blair are so kind of you know really up and about at this point Last just kind of like takes the glasses that go unused puts them back in in his trunk. yes again Watches anyone order any any ideas. I got an idea how anyone who didn't just fight off demon monsters launch. I was thinking. I mean that's sounds fun perception i can take a watch Seems as though blair is up to to take a watch I'm sure that the girls would be up for a watch Sabrina as well. Yeah no but we can do that. Would you like to take a take a rest. I'm fine. I need rest. Yeah hey danger. I had a thought slash question for you since this whole time. Emmy and moore author having this weird like fucking mind meld type experience and we're about to go to bed but we're still connected telepathically. Would it be possible that he might be subjected to my dreams. Oh do absolutely. God i want you to add like i just keep hitting you at the thumbs up emoji for every dream you have is a good dream not cool so you all prepared to rest for the evening. Can you please make vitality checks. I assume no for me since. I'm starting to the watch. Yeah you're you're doing. I watch so you would stay up going to be a failure from doug. I black jacks. I passed k. So those of you who passed you. Recover your wounds while you sleep. Those of you. Who failed you recover half of your wounds from when you sleep and those of you who blackjack would also wake up feeling very refreshed with that. I'm going to leave it off here for the evening and we will Pick back up next week on tales of the blood moon. What will the watches bring. 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02 October, 2019  Episode 741  Detecting Signals

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02 October, 2019 Episode 741 Detecting Signals

"This is twists this week. In Science episode numbers seven hundred forty one recorded on Wednesday a day October second two thousand nineteen detecting signals. Hey Everyone I'm Dr Kiki tonight. I would love to tell you that we're gonNA failure earlier heads with humans apes and tar degrades but first twists is supported by listeners like you we thank you for your support really couldn't do it without you school. Amer disclaimer disclaimer all over the world people worry. What are they worrying about today. Well well that all depends on which person is doing worrying where they are in the world in their life in their day. Many worries may seem distinct as if an individual individual persons civic worry might make them the only human being wearing about such things but it is rarely true there are enough people in the world worrying about out things that despite out seems no-one worrier ever loan in what worries them though there may be only one person on the planet. WHO's currently worried about being impeach. The number number of people worrying about global warming is rising such numbers. There is coming next global recognition that none of us are alone home in this fight. There is a strength in numbers that can carry the he cast aside and replace it with action and action is the enemy of worry worry but action alone is not enough what the world needs is action and science coming up next mm-hmm. I got kind of mine enough. I WANNA learn everything all up with new discover discover every day. There's only one place in the pilot knowledge breath Stuckey Kimbler and good science you too you too Justin Soon Blair and everyone out there welcome to another episode of this week in science we are back again who and we have Blair on on the line from the Tundra with a special guest more on the you know more on that in a minute tonight on the show. We've got good news about well. We're GONNA talk about some polar bears. I believe I've got some meat for you and some asteroids and maybe some baby muscles muscles are good yet just in what you have. I've got a JOE SCHMO versus. The volcano has the secret the life of Cardi Grades Skin shutting bacteria and cigarettes and Seagrass and what are you have for us. Where are you what is going on. We're in the sub. Arctic attack just outside of Church Hill now in the Tundra Tundra in here. I'm from a Tundra Bungee jumper. Yeah I just grab like a huge white school bus but on like monster truck tires fire. I always consider them to be If if what it would look like if tardy grades rooms they they do a larger like an mega. If Tartu grades were mega-fauna they would have have with my school bus tires. Oh everyone if you have not yet subscribed to the twist podcast cast why haven't you you can find us all places podcasts or found look for this week in science you can also find us on Youtube and on facebook or for you can just visit twist W. I s. Dot. Org can find out all sorts of information about the show show notes and about our twenty one won t twists Blair's animal corner calendar. That's available for preorder right now all right but now it's time for us to jump into into the show and talking because these ladies in the sub Arctic have a curfew. They're they're. They're six sharing. A bus. Van With a lot of people are trained. I'm really confused about the setup I would Blair could could you please introduce our guest this evening. Absolutely so I am joined by reese across from polar bears international I hi everyone and so we'll share out on social media and stuff like that you can see us in the here but we are are here doing this crazy thing so we're going to try to put words to kind of explain experience so we are here as part of the climate alliance. Do you want to explain explain kind of what the history of that is and yeah absolutely so I work for polar bears international and we're the world's only caller bat conservation organization working set of wild polar bears and we know uh-huh that zoos and aquariums player really and so we have a special program that we tailor just to Arctic ambassador centers and that's a network network of McWilliams his across the US Canada and you're up on and through that program we work with educators. I we work with Animal Care Staff we work with PR and social media and one of the primary goals being a teaching institutions and staff asked how to effectively communicate about climate change and solutions that scaled the problem right and so I can hear not only because Goo Goo Whoa the San Francisco Zoo Gardens my home institution is an Arctic embassador center but also because I'm here to help facilitate awesome not programming so loyal listeners will recognize that name that's the national network for Ocean and climate change interpretation and we use social science to figure out the best way to have hopeful solutions focused conversations about climate change so based on what you just said and we're registered you see a lot of overlap there and so these two organizations have really found a way to work together to combine what was a leadership can't Ford Gnocchi to kind of find leaders in climate change mitigation across the US and this a climate alliance program where we're trying to find leaders in polar bear conservation conversation and so it's all overlapping in one and so I got the amazing honor to be able to come out and help with some of those activities so right now we already had the super packed week. we went dog sledding. Yesterday we got to hear from a local local trapper about kind of life in the Arctic is like four all types of people and then we also got got to go out looking for polar bears and we were very lucky as we saw five minutes from the airport we saw this polar bear as we were driving away from the airport just kind of bound Orissa rocks and jump right into the waves of of Zimbabwe absolutely via an while we haven't we. I haven't seen a pullover today. We've been able to encounter allow the other things that make this area to off so unique and special we saw a pot of Beluga whales the Aurora Gory Alice last. I'm so jealous all and just as units ago we had an Arctic Hare Right Outsider Tundra Buggy and my personal highlight so Lavar has been the PTARMIGAN which I didn't know existed but they're like these architects chickens and they are amazing. They're kind of snub nose. They look a little bit. Ross and I'm they have like bloomers. They have feathers on their legs. They're just amazing birds with bloomers. They make some fantastic. Oh that's wonderful. So how much longer are you. Are you traveling around and what other activities are planned hand well. We'll be here so so our journey starts in the Gateway of the northeast started on Sunday in Winnipeg Manitoba Roba now we traveled north to Churchill Manitoba which you can only access via plane and rail and we spent two days as experiencing town of Churchill and what makes that community so special and then we're going to spend the next two days out on the Tundra and Frontiers North Adventures Adventures Tundra buggy lodge and will be roving around looking for the next two days and then Friday we had south and meanwhile L. will using the downtime to talk about climate change communication and how we can work together I think it's really it's an amazing opportunity to talk the people from all over North America and figure out how we actually have a lot of things in common we have a lot of common goals and how we can work together gather and share what we have with each other to help with absolutely we had classroom time from the past two days and then we mix that in Lewisham informal Komo interpretation from our guides for Parks Canada and Manitoba Department of Sustainable Development and then we also spend time which I think is equally important building relationships building community in that sense of trust that we really need to move toward science communicators in terms of communicating. I'd love to Have you communicate to our audience what you're seeing in the sub Arctic right. Now I mean this year I it's it's been really warm and I'd I'd love to know how that affects the environment that you're in right now and also the polar bears and how how it may affect your polar bear sighting fighting expeditions absolutely well you know as we did see a polar bear. Previously I can't be to the trends you you know as we see less and so this this population of polar bears lives in what we call the seasonal sea ice ego region so that's a region of the Sub Arctic where the sea ice forms in the fall and then retreats in the spring and what we're seeing over a period of time is that that the ice is available six weeks on average bridged less time that they had to hunt as polar bears have less time to hunt they have less access to see ice less time to hunt though seals that they really need to go back body commissioner reproduce and healthy population because it's the the CEO's are after cross across the frozen ice the forms of the see that right to to get out to where the seals are absolutely so polar bears are dependent on on Seattle to catch seals you know police are great swimmers but they're not as fast as seals right so they need the astor of the frozen ocean as a platform to to hunt seals as you many species across the compiler north that depend on Arctic Sea ice brings. y'All and Beluga whales that we saw here in the Hudson Bay will that's amazing all right well. I don't WanNa keep you too too much longer. But is there anything else that either of you. Oh both of you would like to add about the trip about polar bears international about anything that you're that you're doing right now. I can say that I just like to thank Blair here. We're thrilled to be able to work with Blair. We just started working with the San Francisco Zoo about Arctic. Ambassador Center were thrilled to be working with her with the national network for Ocean climate change interpretation you know we're about building relationships and strengthening partnerships who achieved stronger conservation balls and then. I believe that we can only do that if we work together so thanks where our thanks so all of you for for less share story and I would say go the polar bears international dot work right and you can find all of the forty Arts Kim Basinger centers listed there and if you live near one go go go to the zoo or aquarium talked to the polar keepers after the interpreters there they can communicate what we've been doing here what's going on the Arctic as well and the he give you tools for what you can do at home as a community to help with arc ecosystems and ecosystem that homecourt impacted by your home ecosystem the May not be ideal for polar bears but you can do things that can help the polar bears potentially everybody's affects everybody was affected bomb home and the Arctic ecosystem so we can all benefit from a reduction in the burning of fossil fuels and the best way to do that is to come together as a community so so the your embassador centers are a great way to start that conversation or if you don't have one nearby gesture local zoo aquarium science center or a follow me on twitter or follow any of those organizations on twitter as well cool. What's your twitter handle at polar bearers gone in their early and it's a good one. I'd like to add one more. If I may of you know if I can so isn't interested in hearing in war from our polar scientists at our team lie on the ground we have tons of connections program in which we have a mobile broadcast Studio Aborted Tundra Buggy we have live cans broadcasting polar bears into classrooms around the world and you can see that schedule on our website tune in follows always live follow the polar bears. I love it from the Tar. Degrade Buddy buggy never think of them the same again. I think we're going to tell me what about that smart and you're in the belly of a tired of grade. It's fantastic. Thank thank you so much for making the effort to join US tonight. It is really special to hear from you from your adventurous place that so few people really have been and to share your experiences and to share them so Blair. Thank you for making this happen. Marissa thank you for joining us for working with Blerta Blerta to come on the show tonight so absolutely appreciated. Thank you so much for joining us and I hope that we can get either you or someone from polar surveyors international back on twists again sometime in the future. It'd be great to hear more about the polar bears. You have a great show next league. Yeah have a wonderful remainder of your trip. Thank you again for joining us tonight and that with Blair buzzed dirt each coming to us coming to live from the sub Arctic North Pole whole not quite so. She had a picture that she sent earlier to her social media channels. There's no snow anywhere. It just looks like Brown Tundra that there's no snow like why is there no snow there should be there should be snow but no oh is this is after summer. It's all melted. Everything melted so melted but we can jump now into some fun science news. This is this week in science. Are you ready for it. Yeah that's okay. I'm ready. I'M GONNA. Throw some fun at you. I I I love to bring announcement of scientific prizes to the show and as the nobels are going to be awarded within the next week. I only thought it appropriate that we needed to bring up the egg. Nobel's ignoble times. This is like my one of my favorite times of the year is the IG Nobels were awarded a couple of weeks ago September Twelfth Two Thousand Nineteen at the at Harvard's Sanders Theater and let me tell you the winners all right but the medicine prize is goes to Italy another lund's Silvano Gallus for collecting evidence pizza might protect against illness and death. If the pizza is is made and eaten in Italy their series of articles entitled Does Pizza Protect Against Cancer Pizza and risk risk of acute myocardial infarction pizza consumption and the risk of breast ovarian prostate cancer congratulations salon go but it only works on people with certain genetic cool it does look that it just says the pizza has to be made and eaten in Italy Yeah Yeah. I know that's definitely an egg. The Medical Education Nation Prize goes to Karen Prior and troop Theresa mckeon four t for using a simple animal training technique called clicker training Blair would be familiar with this to train surgeons how to perform Orthopedic Surgery Click Click Click Click abused clicker training to teach surgeons where and how to Peta Cutoff articles to called is teaching simple surgical skills using using an opulent learning program More Effective Teaching Demonstration. I don't know if it's more effective but I guess it worked. Biology prize goes goes to Lingjun Kong Herbert Cras Gorka Alexandra Urban AC rainier doom and to- mosh pathetic for or discovering that dead magnetized cockroaches behave differently than living magnetized cockroaches I don't know that you need to magnets they. We're studying in Vivo Bio magnetic character were the study is in Vivo Bio magnetic characterization of the American cockroach so I guess they had to see how Magneti Nettie Magneti magnets worked when they could trees not interested in this in our study you could you could you could find it as published in scientific reports this Oh it was a decent studying anatomy. Prize goes to jail me say okay and Bahamas Bingo Bango Defy for measuring Earth thank you this one's good for measuring scrotal temperature a symmetry in naked and clothed postmen in France have to say that again the temperature scrotum sort of French person ace symmetry so the difference seems the the temperature between the two sides in whether you're naked or clothed but only post coast men people who deliver deliver the post as opposed to maybe temperature differential yeah the papers entitled thermally symmetry of the Human Scrotum. The Chemistry Prize goes to Japan for estimating the total saliva volume produced per day by typical. Oh five year old child okay. That's that can be helpful. Maybe summer for all its data get five year old to do anything consistently even spit as much as they can't. You don't know but you'd have to ask the adult sons who attended the ceremony with the researcher who were some of the subjects of the study when they were children thirty five years ago you could ask them. They may remember engineering goes to eamonn backlash for inventing a diaper changing machine for use own human infants repeat this a diaper changing machine our we use on human infant. No mouth stop sister. I grew up from that change baby diapers Hello he made one okay. The economics prize goes to researchers from Turkey. The Netherlands and Germany Germany for testing which countries paper money is vested transmitting dangerous bacteria so that's interesting which who's got the most I guess or supportive whose money has the most bacteria lease supportive. What money is the best medium for Ventura twins the best pieces to who knows who the winner was for that one that she these these we know what they're really. That's really interesting. This is a country that should be washing their hands more than any other we'd have to we have to read the paper to figure it out the peace prize goes to UK Saudi Arabia Singapore and the US A for trying to measure the pleasure ability ability scratching an itch. How good does it really feel. It's okay hey but it's nowhere near Q. Tipping in here I think people would accu the point I would run out of the the shower superior president carrier the psychology prize goes to Fritz strack for discovering that holding pen in one's ends mouths makes one smile which makes one happier and then for discovering that it does not it's. I really like you saw this and then I went back in. It's not it's not true. That's fine. That's great science. It was actually own result. It'd be like yeah. It's what's interesting is. I was nineteen eighty-eight when the pen in the mouth to smile study happened two thousand seventeen. The article is called from data to truth in psychological science a personal perspective. The journey must've been a thing and I assume of course like months like it didn't wants. Let's do it again. Got The opposite result. No this is a lifetime workplace that he never liked that study got sal it and finally the Physics Prize goes to the wonderful researchers who discovered how and why wombats wombats create cube-shaped Pu owner. We talked about this yet. Blair Blair report story are we covered the story. Blair reported on it and yeah we were all very impressed and intrigued by the Cube Shaping and obviously the researchers were as as well and now they've won an ignoble for their work so congratulations to all the researchers and if you're wondering what I'm going on about about these ignoble awards for its the fun of Science. It's able to look at results that maybe researchers didn't think they were. GonNa get or questions that I never really thought hey can. We do science like that. Yes science is a process and you can approach so many things with that scientific nick process and you can approach things with funding your heart and a scientific process or serious angle really look into change the world sometimes you figure figure out cube shaped pool is made other times and the finger keep in mind this that never never know sometimes. These stories sound a little bit on the frivolous inside often. They are ready to get this word there. Are There are scientific studies that win done Matt seen that large import but have ramifications later in every bit of data is important except maybe I robot that changes baby along with that might be might be handy speaking of speaking of like looking at data continually Ed bringing new results doing the scientific process five systematic reviews were published Monday in the journal Annals of internal medicine the results of these systematic reviews fly in the face of the established nutritional wisdom to to reduce the amount of meat in your diet in fact the studies find furthermost part that the health impacts of reducing meat in your diet are slim to none and they they've done multiple studies. The systematic dramatic reviews used a method that has been started start started being developed around the year two thousand by health professionals is now I used by more than one hundred organizations worldwide including the World Health Organization to to determine really what kind of health advice this should be handed out the this design the study design is called the greed system grading of recommendations assessment development and evaluation and and the way that the system works is that it pushes reviewers according to a article to base their conclusions only only on the most certain evidence available and according to this tool in case of meat consumption and health that was cohort studies and randomized control trials so this is human studies. They got rid of all the animal studies because they said sometimes these animal studies is the results. Don't Pan out in people. It doesn't apply so something a result that happened in animals isn't necessarily going to happen in people if meet causes cancer during a rat. It's not necessarily going to cause cancer in adult they got rid of observational trials and used these in in in in in a lot of the studies that have been done to date the way that they're managed as you find somebody who has cancer sir already asked them about their diet and then you find matched control so you find somebody who matches on all sorts of other lifestyle factors demographic factors years and you match the individuals except for that control does not have cancer and you ask them about their diet use. Go okay well. This person didn't eat meat didn't get cancer district eight meet got cancer and so you're basing it all on the record election of the subjects in the studies and they got rid of all those trials to face those studies aren't aren't the best and they only kept the studies that were randomized controls and were cohort studies in which they followed a group of individuals over many many years and so it was more about people continually reporting their nutritional intake and other factors and then Oh this person got cancer and it's recorded in this study of a large group of people it's part of a large data set and it seems like a really well thought out methodology. Alhaji however the American Heart Association the American Cancer Association multiple organizations are are debating the results in saying they've actually they've actually already submitted a request to the FTC to have the results of the study like basically banned for the FTC say this isn't right the studies not right because it fly like I said it's controversial it says the opposite of what all these organizations have been saying to date. There's there's a whole bunch of details that need to be involved in a study like this and I and it doesn't sound like even the the virtually narrated onto did they necessarily at the so in terms of Cancer Association one thing then you can you could talk about is how is the meat that you're eating prepared. If you're a talking about being an avid backyard barbecuer where you've I've got charcoals cook everything so there's a black Chris Layer on the outside of the meat might not be the meat. That's the potentially causing stomach cancer certain be all this this heavy carbon. You're you're digesting also. Are you talking about meat. That's like a hamburger that might be rather lean or are you talking about something. That might be a annual meat. When it comes to heart disease then you have to ask you. What is your microbiome. I on how well are digesting food. Does your body really needs if you're mediator. What are you talking about a hamburger a week or you talking about the sausage in the morning chicken at lunch and steak for dinner every day. So whenever this human reporting involved you're going to wind up with a lot of interpretation in terms of wet. The old are thinking any questions have interpreted the questions so I get why these organizations are wary of the result. It's it's been this road with nutrition. Where we there is not a one-size-fits-all there are things that one person can eat to excess the the person their neighbor if they had that same diet would kill them rather quickly people absorb foods decker. This is the electric a land up here. Stop Blaming Ball. Kane knows global warning scientists say which you know this was this was a trope the denial or the Infra Genyk Ama- change denial side for a long time. It's earth It's a it's all candidates that are causing global warming. They're they're the ones putting out most of the deep carbon observatory programs five hundred member reservoirs inflections team has outlined several key findings investigation of the present day back billions of years past from Earth's core up to the atmosphere and from the size of a single volcano to massive of them across five continents among the many wide ranging findings outline summarizing the series of papers published in the Journal elements in says just two tenths of one percent of the Earth's total carbon is above the surface in the oceans on land and in the atmosphere arrest arrest news subsurface. That's crust mantle core so yeah. There's a lot of carbon down. Co Two out gassed the atmosphere and oceans today from volcanoes and other magnetically active regions is estimated at two hundred eighty three hundred sixty million tons per year doc which if you compare that to the output of carbon emissions from humans is back on the times less than what humans have been doing on the early and we have also been increasing over time so it's forty two hundred becomes more output from humans depending on when you're looking. It's about a hundred times now so this is pretty pretty interesting than there was a massive release comparible to what humans I guess have done our past mass extinctions the giant meteoroid impact sixty six million years ago that struck it is now Mexico's Yucatan peninsula rapidly warm the planet and coincided with mass extinction of seventy five percent ish of the plants and animals on the planet inkling the dinosaurs some humans and giant meteor impacts bad bad yeah. I mean I love a lot of this study at came out of the the Carbon Carbon Group that we've carving deep carbon insulin. Yes the deep Carbon Observatory We've spoken with them a few you times and it's just so amazing that they're able to track that they've been able to figure out where the carbon is. What the carbon cycle really is on our planet. How much is at the core of our earth. How much is in the mantle and how much is in the in the in the atmosphere which just like any time Santa Journal the carbon on the planet tiny but it has such an impact in our art influences like on the level of previous mass extinctions like you said asteroids volcanic eruptions that have destroyed you know destroyed destroy life on the planet yeah you people were awesome. Yeah I think though the yeah the whole concept of understanding how our earth uses up carbon in how it sucks it up into the crust into the mantle how it dives deep and where it goes and how it gets out gassed and how that flows as you know it's so important to our understanding of how we really are impacting our small percentage of what is there yeah. I was actually surprised I have little include the oceans to two tenths of one percent It's the big impact in small amounts right. That's what we're doing. Yeah it comes down to. I guess you know Oh. It's what is the the the percentage the proportion that is applicable to us in life. You know we need to that. We pay attention to that and what we're working on. Stop blaming the volcanoes. Oh Yeah Hey you. Do you want to have a Blair animal corner without Blair. Let's do it. We play her music without her. Okay here we L. Let's dance you know pat talk about animal except Lord Giant and Justin Kiki. Hey I was gonna do that to you. Did you on the spot okay. I've got some ape mines for you. The Planet of the Apes we love love to talk about how smart people are and one of those aspects of intelligence that we come back to is this thing called the theory of mind and is an ability of humans and very few other animals to be able to determine what other animals are thinking based on your own experience being able to go. I went through that experience variance this other organised. There's other animals going through that experience I can I can relate. I think this is what they're thinking right now. This is what they're going through. It's realizing realizing that that you can attribute mental states to yourself and others that others. If you have a mental mental state others have mental state which is handy because if you if you would wander down to the watering hole in life depression and something came out of the water in eight something on land you might it might if you didn't have any form of empathy you might like. Oh that was interesting it might as well go down to watering hole and get a drink. I mean these signals and you need to be able to put yourself in that position so that you can better adapt the right and especially with social animals who have to get along with each other and you have to figure Oh hi be angry. If somebody stole my banana. Somebody stole dudes banana okay. He's probably pretty angry right so being able to attribute these mental states emotional states aids to other specifics others like you then it it it does give that benefit and so there's this been his question for a really a long time as to whether or not other great apes have theory of mind and so there's a new study that was just published in the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences P. S. and it turns out that hey based on the results they do or less do they used chimpanzees. twenty-nine chimpanzees fourteen bonobos and four aranka towns to do this experiment and in the experiment. The apes were exposed to these boxes. There were as a barrier and it was either able able to see through it transparent or it was opaque and they had to find pick one of the two boxes they would see see somebody hides something under a box they would go behind the barrier and then they would see somebody mess with the boxes move the little toy toy to the other box and then they'd have to go choose the box. If it was transparent the apes could see this happening. If it was opaque they could not see it happening. Yes they had to infer it and and so they would watch other apes have to deal with the situation relation after having gone through it themselves with either that transparent barrier where they could see the actor move the little toy from box to box or with opaque where they so they would know that the ape could not see this happening and so they're like. Oh Aw and they they measured where the apes were staring which box the apes stared at the most and they found that the the the apes were watching the box that the apes behind the barrier was that that they they knew the apes. We're GONNA look there even though the toy wasn't there anymore if the behind the opaque barrier so basically doing this eye tracking experiment as has a a test of how do they know what the other apis going to do yes and so they found on that the apes that had the experience of seeing through the transparent barrier that they stared at that the box where the toy had been much much longer than apes who had had the opaque barrier and hadn't had the same experience so there was a difference in and they're based on the experience that the apes it had on what they were predicting the apes that we're going through it. We're going to be doing there. You mind presence in the ECORSE. ooh started grades. K. Degrades. Oh Oh speaking of Cardi grades these are not who has been listening to this show as attorney graders but if you haven't it's a plump looking microscopic alien Bass Toy. It's it's incredible feature you need to the MTA. They're also called water-bearers. Maas piglets. There's they have some pretty interesting. resilience the even extrema files they have the ability to survive in the vacuum of space they they can basically dehydrate themselves. There's another word what you're doing but basically can become dehydrated and then come back to life again later so one of the things that's really interesting about them as they can also survive pretty decent amount uh of radiation as well as hiring so high-radiation levels very cold temperatures exposure to deadly chemicals all sorts of places where the life should in a number of these conditions even if you are some sort of extreme of file that has managed to survive in one of these environments the fact that the grades can survive in many of them is just pretty pretty perplexing so what they've a previous studies have identified a protein name. DC which they called damage suppression protein which is a protein that is only found in vertebrates this intriguingly when they tested it in human cells they found that the protein protected human south from x rays from damage visas so not is not known exactly how this protein moves performing this so team at Uc San Diego ransom tests some studies they discovered that this protein binds Crompton which is a form of DNA within cells. It's basically vines around in in creates a protective over coach shields. DNA from hydroxyl radicals which are produced. I X rays so the don't really think that the there was necessarily a benefit to grades being x Ray a resistant but that this this chromosome wrapping of protein may be protecting it from all sorts of other normally deteriorating so this may be this may be one of the the secrets Harrods extrema files distance and then there are already speculating that you could utilize this perhaps then in doing things biotech in which if you wanted to create a hardier more resistant strain of of let's say at bacteria or something might be protected. DNA If you bring it through a process but then you know the thing I I thought when this is this is the augmented space human right. That's the first thing I thought to well. We're going to space where we should wrap up thaddeus. DNA spaceships are only so radiation proof. It's it's a tough. It's like one of the tougher things for long distance. Space travel is dealing with all the radiation are living on on one of the moons of mild or on Mars itself is exposure to radiation that you'd be dealing yeah but the downside the downside of that is that if you do get cancer in space then you can't go through Radiation Asian treatment on would you you'd have to do something to open up the diesel up so that your DNA could be accessed if you are one of these future space humans so it comes with a little bit of a downside but maybe the upside is much more of upside. Yeah you got to do that cost benefit analysis hopefully by the end hopefully by the time that's a good point. Hopefully by the time we are increasing future human astronauts the this December hurricane ability. We've also made them cancer free right and may or if not completely cancer free then we're not doing this sledgehammer gamma radiation treatment our hands with treatments to and also just for economics even in the future. 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Oh Wow all right. Here's our letter this week. Hello everybody so what science done for me lately well lately being twenty nine years ago disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer myself. Preservation skills are poor at best. I'm attracted to caution tape. Halloween of nineteen ninety in my senior year of high school while out with a friend by car broke down while waiting for a ride to come pick us up. I decided to climb a high voltage transmission tower. Oh no I I always thought don't touch wire. What's the worst that can happen and I found out I was fifty. Five feet up the Tower Fifteen fifteen feet below the power lines when the power arked off and hit me my friend yeah my friend. Kelly was on the ground and and said the sky lit up so bright. It was midnight by the way that she couldn't see me. She said I kept screaming. I can't let go when suddenly darkness and my body fell to the ground hit cats better when I hit the ground. I started a brushfire yet. I was an editor never met one of those before the base of the Tower was surrounded by a six foot fence with three strands of barbed wire on the top. Remember that disclaimer. I climbed all of that to accomplish this goal. I was motionless at this point thought to be dead within minutes. The emergency crews were showing up and yelling at me to lay still to avoid further injuries. She had to do this because they weren't allowed to cut the lock on the gate until the power company showed up to determine whether or not it was safe to enter after about yeah after about forty five minutes the brushfire had extinguished and Kelly was losing remind that no it was helping me and onlooker walked around to the back of the fence and pulls up from the ground at which point Kelly slid underneath and approached me this apparently changed the situation and gave cause for the cops to cut the lock and the paramedics entered and retrieved me good job Kelly. I was put into a helicopter often the hospital well in the chopper. I died arriving at the hospital with no signs of life better. I'm so sorry the Er unit grabbed the defibrillator. Anyone see the irony where this is going Robert Yeah so anyway. They shocked me back to life. I spent the next seven days in a coma. Both lungs had collapsed and I was on a respirator. After waking from the coma I was still in a space between meaning responsive but not aware I came around on November twenty third with no recollection of what had happened to this day. I have no memory of the event or the twenty minutes or so leading up to it everything. I'm telling you simply what has been told to me. I was forty eight percent second third degree burn. My left arm was welded to my side due to a broken collarbone the only break from a fifty five foot fall. They couldn't start physical therapy until it healed for weeks in that meant. My left arm was useless when I awoke a rep from the power. Company told me I was hit with roughly one hundred forty thousand volts coal fired at that after ten months of therapy and a few surgeries I could lift a glass of water to my mouth within a year. I had a full recovery and started rock climbing. I went on to get a job as a stunt performer with full use of my arms science. CI- science made all of this possible science figured out a way to make me whole and live on to travel all the world doing awesome things with amazing people when someone tells me they don't trust science. I simply take my shirt off and point out that it wasn't a politician Titian or belief that allowed me to tell my story. It was science pure science. I love your show Blair's. Theme Song Stays in my head for days as after each episode. Keep doing what you're doing and thanks for letting me share my story. Take Care Josh Hicks Joshua's an incredible story. You are one lucky person. Oh my goodness and and I'm GonNa say Science and Kelly and Kelly thank you Kelly and maybe Kelly had been a little bit more persuasive fifty five tells them that is barb wire has the consequence that is a fantastic antastic store and I love I love the fact that the the disregard for caution to some degree even even after you know stunt profession is going to be a little pre planning. Perhaps things will go. Thank you so much for sharing with us. It was yeah. This is people in the chat. Room are have loved it. They're all saying then what a story it really is and I mean it is amazing that you are able to tell it today. I would love science. You tell me how I can keep my son from doing stunts like that when he's older but possible uh-huh Cheryl share this story that's right. I'll tell him the story. Maybe don't ever do that actually forget to sign this caution awesome bishopscourt little plaques with this story story like Oh. I I yeah Josh. Thank you so much for enjoying twists. Thank you for listening. Thank you for sharing just just amazing and yeah thank you science for making it possible for you to share everybody. If you have a story you would like to share if you have a note. If if you have a poem if you have yes some small tidbits how science has science has done for you lately or twenty nine years ago. Oh let me know send me an email Pearson at this week in science dot Com or leave a message on our facebook page all right Justin. Let's move back into the science. Dan Tell me about bacteria. Let's see what is the story. This is yeah so we've talked about it a bit on. Oh show how I think the is twenty fifty which is not that long from thirty ish years at there could be ten million deaths per year due to basic infections because antibiotic resistance is going going to be a real proud amongst microbes that has been able to justin evolve to the ways that we've been attacking vacuum. We have new in different ways in approaches coming up Howard. This research is little bit alarming because it is pointing out that Metra situations can shed their skin. They can actually exist without a cell wall. which is the thing that in most humans human cells? Don't have this hour walk aw and so the way the body identifies intruders. Is this weird thing that they have on the outside of their cell. which is this the shell in? That's where they attack and destroy bacteria is drugs that we have developed. This is what our any by addicts do is. They identify pathogens by this outer. Shell this study it was a specific to Urinary Tracts in elder folks but they found that back there were by filtering it can sort of an interesting thing they had this filter. That should have filtered out I believe it's E. Coli in the study this. This is in nature communications. Look specifically at bacterial species associated with recurrent urinary tract infections found many different bacterial species issues including E-coli that can survive as with their calling L. Form in the human body that is having gotten rid of that outer cell wall so what happens then is also changes. Breeding behavior changes the shape of bacteria area. It changes a lot of things that the body might normally use identified so they are now looking into the finding these these ways to target l. form and it might be more it. Mike the Pervasive of course they found in this study. This is something that that come up in noticed some long long time ago by researchers but hasn't really surfaced again on a long time. This discovery is pretty big and finding that there is another way in which factory in exists within the human body that we give deviously I'm sure there are probably many ways bacteria exist in our bodies bodies that not aware of where only aware of ways that we can grow in a petri dish or you know if we can in sequence the sequence the gene then associated with some kind of phenotype and we say oh. That's what that is but yeah. There's probably yeah this is cool that so it was first discovered in nineteen thirty five by EMI heinburger note bell who named named after the Lister Institute where she was working at the time. This is why they're the L. Really Wild. It's such a fundamental fundamental aspect of bacteria. That's no that they didn't survive without changes. It makes a lot of interesting arguments to how many how much bacteria is there that that we don't know about estimates and these are these are also. They're discovering this in bacteria that normally when we had it's not just a former bacteria that doesn't have a so all this is showing bacteria that have cell walls normally can also survive in mode without which is then another sort of evolutionary trait. Perhaps or war didn't make arguments about pre-revolutionary traits about like if you don't don't mean microbes it might can exist without a cell wall. Maybe in the first place maybe the cell Wallace something that much. You know it's at both ends. It's sort of asking questions so interesting study and I can't wait to hear more is reached outs into this yeah. I'd love to know more about how like really what is it specifically to evade. The immune system of the host is it to evade other bacteria. What what is it what are these organisms specifically evading by they just they of this method of identification right right because what is where the virus target it finds some spot on the so Waldman right yeah so this could be it could it could be one of these things that we've seen in bacteria Rehab serves activities where they have sort of random different survival traits within a single population where some will turn during themselves into a seaman hardly shell and some will become law gated some will begin to multiply really fast within the same population trying different strategies so whatever's attacking them may not feel successful against all of strategies. This might be one more of these strategies that we hadn't really been so keenly aware of. You won't get us all. Hey kid go into stealth mode. It's like minded way right but I like. I like it better life. You won't find this off. It's all yours we we'll hide you hide from you. That's cool speaking of other detection of other things that we haven't really seen before for researchers last. December discovered an asteroid in the asteroid belt. It is called six four seventy eight. Gault Galt was just an asteroid it it had been discovered decades ago but in December of last here astronomers were looking at it and they're just doing an average regular survey and they're like is going on that that that asteroid Loyd is active. It's moving. Yes active moving and in fact it has to plumes coming off of it like a comet. Oh and it's changing color. Its surface is changing from reddish to bluish so there's a there's a chemical reaction taking place on this asteroid that is propelling it and changing its color this happening so my first question was is which isn't really addressed is. How did this asteroid that was observed. I in nineteen eighty eight go from just being a normal asteroid normal space rock doing doing just rocky things in space. How did it go from being inactive to active what happened. We don't know that the second question is is what this art this paper that's just out is talk is talking about is their initial observations of the asteroid asteroid make it they make them think that the changing color that's occurring is because this asteroid is actually spinning thing and it's spinning as it's moving through space and that's spinning and movement is causing the reddish dust on the surface of the asteroid. Ed to blow off and that dust that's coming off is revealing the blue layers underneath the iron underneath he said hasn't oxidized and so it's going from this reddish dusty service to a cleaner bluer surface and the dust is what's coming enough and creating this plume and creating something of a comet tail but it's a weird active asteroid entail so yeah. It's not a comet. It's Iraq with tales which is weird in itself but the you know the the thing that the astronomers looking at this are excited to talk about is the idea that the asteroid belt we kind of think of it as this place where just a bunch of rubble is floating floating right. It's just sitting there not doing anything but this is evidence that there's a lot more activity going on within the asteroid belt. Things are moving around shifting and changing all the time and you know these movements are the kinds of things that do shift other objects. If you've a big enough object moving wing it will its gravitational poll will potentially move something else. Nearby in these objects can get can get moving moving bump into each other. Maybe even not be knocked out of the asteroid belt. It's one giant system of butterfly faxes. They're going to be looking at it a little bit more. When it next comes into the sky they're hoping that they'll be able to measure the asteroids brightness over time to be able to see the dust tail and determine exactly exactly what is going on with this active asteroid the Galt asteroid and then another thing. Did you know that there's a second commentary interstellar interloper in the system yes so we had more Moola a while ago but now yeah now we have to I Borisov Borisov to Borisov does not have as exciting name as Wamu but it also is a comet and the astronomers observing too. I Borisov published an astrophysical journal letters letters that they have seen the ultraviolet part of the spectrum flux of the the light. That's coming through the cometary. Terry Material that they can tell that there is gas coming off of the comet that is cyanogen managing. Oh cyanogen is that special is that what is that well. It turns out. It's yes science cyanide so it is a pseudo halogen formed of carbon and nitrogen. Yes a colorless toxic gas with a pungent odor. Thank you for the warning oxygen. Gas cyanogen. Groups are bonded together other at their carbon atoms. You may ask who is this special gas from another solar system far away because this is an object that apparently currently because of its trajectory is not of our solar system is from somewhere else and so by looking at it we go is this different is it the same well turns out that cyanogen gas is emitted released from comets in our own solar system so it suggests that wherever this is from from is similar in makeup to our own system modulus universe exciting yeah. That's that's good enough. That's really good to know now. We know the more we know bureau so it is it is correctly poisonous on this gas when it tells you I'm stinky. Don't breathe okay whereas you have Justin Oh. That's a great question in bed. Yes this is this is seagrass grass meadows that are these ones are off the coast of Florida at least it's University of Florida researchers who are looking at them and they've made made a pretty interesting discuss. Discovery Seagrass is very much threatened by coastal developments and by pollution and by climate change and question is is are these grass meadows under the water really that and they know from the past this is a there's a lot of lifeforms that use them for shelter and the like but they don't know they. They didn't really know how permanent they are. Is it possible that they can come and go like a meadow will like you can be with disappear somewhere else. Will it just move for these. Basically you know some of these have been then at the most observed for a decade or two. A in this study though they were able to use microfossils than the like to sort of date wait some seagrass beds end found that they could be centuries in millennials old hundreds and thousands tons of years old. They also used the phantom pretty interesting stuff. There was a much richer variety of animals in and around around this seagrass meadows. There was protection from for seafloor. there was carbon storing it improved water clarity in this rounding area ability to slow wave energy which will be less erosion on the on the shores Ooh They actually do a because of all of these sort of things created a very attractive place for fish birds marine mammals mammals invertebrates algae giving a a really important role for seagrass in the ecosystems of coastal regions and there was a two thousand nine steady that they point out that Matt seagrass meadows that have a as having increased I by twenty nine percent since eighteen seventy nine so I guess I I guess there'd be multiple reasons sea level rise and but then what else is it like development what's happening. It's it's really all of the above so these are you can think of boats especially when as you know we got into combustion engine votes that were probably leaking oil into the water. Nobody really cared for the first seventy years of doing this a very populated areas of course because your coastal areas that humans like to go out fishing playing in the like we're talking about a inker ecosystem which terminate Blair probably has the right to say but they are the house and feed and nurture a lot of the the feeder creatures snail kind of it's kind of like coral reefs so you're looking at the SEAGRASS is supporting its entire ecosystem and you lose the seagrass you lose all of the animals Mozilla diversity that goes along with it. Yeah Yeah Yeah that's that is very interesting. I mean we look at the corals are the huge topic that people are talking about because there's so beautiful they have all these species of corals and you look at them when you're like all their amazing and the fish that are in them or these beautiful colorful fish. It's such a it's a vibrant ecosystem that evokes vokes emotion in people when you see it grasses just grass under the sang that diversity taking place yeah thanks do if if if this you know if if we were to start a save the seagrass campaign we will be mocked for responding to save grass that is under the ocean that nobody seats. I don't see grass but best what happens very quickly when when people don't understand that it's not who can't see these seagrass ask for the trees metaphors. That's all right plants vegetation I got you this is one of those there's things that might sound to some years as a nonsensical thing to try to preserve but if you can explain some point that actually actually that's what sustaining your fisheries off the coast of the waters. June haven't joy that ends up on your plate or what have you this. This is why this is why the the seals to like to go out and look at our visiting. You're little part of the world because there's in college that is invited them yeah so Matt Yeah. There are many connections to be made. I am shocked at how the story has never really come up before and we've lost their basically thirty percent of seagrass to date. I mean that's like hello. That's a significant amount so this is endless impaired hearing L. Corals really put seagrass right up there with the corals when retirement preserving one thing that does not get preserved little muscles apparently when you're a baby an embryo we talk a lot about. Oh when you go through these developmental stages right we maybe have have gills at one point when when you're when you're when you're an embryo embryonic stage passes and the skin in an all everything fuses together and those Gills go away and you're going through evolutionary history books called the terminology analogy is on Taj any recapitulates bylaw Janie those are the big ones yeah on Hajime recapitulates biological any which means the stages of development repeat all those evolutionary phases that we've passed through and researchers this last week have reported on a new a new finding of things that are in our embryonic stages between two weeks about seven to thirteen of Jeff Station that go away that aren't kept they looked at the hands and the feet of little babies and these Emory's scans to look at the the muscles and they found extra muscles little little tiny muscles. They're called Dorsal metacarpals and they are these little tiny muscles that go back to they are are reptilian ancestors. Go back about two hundred fifty million years yeah yeah so there are the normal muscles that go on to create the movements of the thumb the hand and actually there are these extra trim muscles that the thumb has some extra muscles that researchers think allows the dexterity of the thumb that we have compared to some other animals that lose that the fine muscles that are there those little find muscles actually at the embryonic stage exist for more fingers and they're too little muscles muscles that disappear during development. They fused with the other muscles in the hand. Sometimes they disappear completely. Sometimes sometimes they fuse with other muscles to create the final anatomical structure of the developed hand. That's a good thing that they do otherwise. We'd be thumbs right much but it's a it's a really interesting finding because this is something that it's called an atavism trait. This is a trait that exists from an ancestral state but then goes away during development that it disappears and so we know that we have we have the gills. We have the tail. We've got these little muscles in our hands. Now that we can count on enduring during development also brain like neurons. We have tons of neurons that pruned away. There's all sorts of things that change during development. I think it's a a fascinating development is fascinating adventure. It's a fascinating story because it takes us into the future with the individuals vigils but also into our past reser yeah so anyway new ways of looking at things things you find new things so they found his cool thing new muscles that we didn't know were there that are part of our development. Do you have more stories. I have one more all right so this one I think is a a really funny. We talk about we talk about prosthetics and the direction of of brain control devices these guys bring him brain computer interfaces as and also just prosthetics that have some amount of dexterity in flexibility now some researchers out of E. P. F L have developed a new a new model. It brings together neuro engineering with robotics to create a robotic hand that can be controlled by neural impulses from the from the stump dump of an amputation or from the brain depending on where they would come from but the idea is that the muscles that remain after amputation can be can be trained and controlled to to to make certain movements and then they use robotic botic control to take over the movement so in terms of how the human body works if you're going to trip and fall or if you're going to Drop Cup that your body needs to react in a very quick amount of time and very often your brain rain is not even involved in tripping and falling it is a spinal reflex that will help right you. Many times reflexes that go into the spine and back or are are part of what maintain a movement and so rain. Your brain in that moment is still active but it's the fall. What am I gonNA do exactly and so what they've done. Is they've brought together. It's called shared control for prosthetic so that individuals it's not not out of the point where they can test it on not actually put it into use in prosthetics but they're testing it on people currently they are training people to use use the muscles that remain after amputation do allow them to control a robotic hand to come in contact with an object say like water bottle and then the robotic arm takes over the rest of the way their sensors on the robotic arm that respond then then to the shape and texture of whatever object it encounters and so then the robot robotic arm takes over the actual holdig take so the person will think the control of grasping or touching and then the robotic arm. We'll take it the rest of the way so it's a combination of you've of individual control and robotic control which they're hoping will move things forward in a really positive manner for future prosthetics kind of exciting robots you like my robot. Obama arm. Ha Tell it what to do and then it does my bidding yes. That's pretty cool. It's super bowl super super cool Super Super Cobra. Hey have we show. Did we do it. They do this all right. We've done it. I Miss Blair but it was. I'm glad that we got her in in the beginning. I hope she makes it home. Safely doesn't get get eaten by a polar bear. That would be no good. We've come to the end of another show. Thank you everyone John for joining us for another episode of this week in science. We hope you enjoyed all the show all the science as much as we did. Thank you also to Fata who helps with show notes and showed ascriptions social media and with our chat room thanks to Gordon McLeod for helping with the chat room identity thirty four. 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It's the icing on the cake. Welcome back to working. I'm your host ramana lamb. And i m your other host isaac butler. I wonder if some of our listeners recognize the voice that we just heard that the actor blair underwood isaac. Why don't you tackle the quick. Recap on blair underwood's career. Oh my god well. I mean he's done right. I mean shortly. After leaving carnegie mellon when he was an undergraduate acting student he started getting tv work and that led very quickly to a leading role on la law and since then he's been in tv shows he's been the movies like deep impacting set off and he was in treatment and sex in the city and dirty sexy money and she'll he's been on stage. He sort of like really done everything. I feel like as an actor on on all levels of the industry. But there's a particular project that you're talking to him about right and it's a project that i think working listeners might want to know about. Could you fill me in there. Yeah absolutely so. He is in audio. Play it's a new audio recording of a play actually did a few years ago in williamstown called paradise blue by dominique more so and that is being released by amazon. As part of their audible originals. Line a lot of audible originals. Which is original audio programming. Just what it sounds like. They're actually adaptations of plays audio adaptations of plays. And if you're a new yorker you might know that amazon has actually pre pandemic. They took over an off broadway theatre in which they were producing plays. They were then releasing as audible originals. Those were all one person shows one of them. Starred billy crude up another starred carey mulligan and one of the. I think newer things they're doing now is doing actually multi-character plays and this is a multi-character play andre holland. The great andre holland is in a to. It's directed by ruben santiago hudson. So there's sort of beefed up what they're doing over. The course of the pandemic in terms of adapting theater to your ears am missing live performance and i know that if i am feeling that up since it must really be getting to a theater guy like yourself but i do think that there's been a lot of creativity seeing performers and theatrical companies. Find these work arounds using technology along them to do their work to perform for audience is part of what this new endeavor is about. Yes and no. If i may really quickly though to also shout out my friend mike. Daisy has actually started performing live. He does shows for fully vaccinated audiences because he's a one person crew right so they don't have to have a lot of people in rehearsal. Or whatever and i am actually going to go see him perform on friday. I'm going to my. I live theater events since february. I'm gonna start crying talking about when my i live theater event since february of twenty twenty and i feel unbelievably emotional about it. So you're right. I am missing it a great deal audible originals predates the pandemic but my guess would be is that they like everyone else who's producing work that touches. The theater is thinking about well. What else can we do right. What else is out there. What more can we be doing right now to fill the need that people have and so they've released a whole bunch of new audible originals over the past couple of months of which paradise blue one. So you are a director. You're somebody who is just finishing up a book about acting. I suspect you're probably comfortable talking shop with a performer. But i wonder if you ever feel starstruck like if you were going to direct cate blanchett would that feel difficult or do you find it just like any other day to hop on zoom and find blair underwood there waiting for you. Will you know what really helped with. The whole starstruck thing was a doing the world on the spins forward. The book that dan quayle. And i wrote about angels in america because we interviewed like two hundred fifty people for that book and a lot of them were pretty famous. That helped me get over. Feeling star struck. These are normally just. They might deal in a rarefied world but for the most part their regular people with regular concerns. They have a job. They care about the job. You know what i mean. And that was certainly my experience with with blair. He's very personable as a very friendly conversation. I do get star struck at times. Though you know the very first time i interviewed nathan lane. I got really starstruck. Because he's someone who i've been watching stowe's a kid and because you mentioned her i actually got very star struck by cate blanchett whom i have never spoken to including in this incident. We were just standing next to each other because we were both conveying. Our well wishes to the same director of show at the brooklyn academy of music right and she was there to say hi to him and i was there to say hi to him and she was wearing like a camel overcome just huge glasses and and she was so like elfin and strange like an alien being that i just completely with like i could barely say hi to the director. Was there to say hi to so it does indeed happen but for the most part i've grown pretty comfortable with well. I am extremely excited to hear to theater nerds talk shop but as i understand this week. Slate plus listeners are getting something pretty juicy. Could you give us a sneak preview. Yeah absolutely so for those of you have sleep. Plus blair and i are talking about the time in the early part of his career in the nineteen eighties. He wound up. Accidentally seated. Next to sidney poitier for a flight across the united states and i asked him what they talked about and what lessons he took from that conversation for the rest of his career just as a reminder about slate plus members enjoy exclusive content zero ads on any slate podcast. Bonus episodes of shows like slow. Burn dear prudence. But of course most importantly you'll be supporting the work that we do here on working. It's only a dollar for the first month. Just sign up. Go to slate dot com slash working plus. Okay let's hear isaacs conversation with blair underwood. I fancy myself. A mac power usa. I can make podcasts host websites. The lot. But i've never bought orlando to use any of those fancy graphics programs images were my achilles heel but know that i have a pro mike. Content is next level camera. Pro is the easy to use design platform. 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I'm working oh man is it was my pleasure. Thanks for having me. You studied acting at carnegie mellon in the undergraduate program there. Do you feel like you still use the training. You got in college in your work today. All i'm sure i do. You know i My major's music theater. Actually i mean. I was never really a great singer or a great dancer. But i was encouraged when i was doing local dinner theaters in richmond. Virginia the supreme mill playhouse with creek mill. No are you serious yet. my whole family's from richmond. virginia. I've been i've seen shows that you've critical. Yeah that's amazing. yeah. Well that's why i kind of started in When i was in highschool amazing yes elway. Lebron never forget. She was kind of a standard player there at the time and i was a junior in high school to infineon's rainbow had to be eighty four eighty. No no no eighty one eighty two and she said. Listen if you want to really serious about this acting thing you've got to become a triple threat. I'm like i don't even know what that is. What does that she said. Well you got to learn how to sing dance and actually you know learn different disciplines so therefore you have more opportunity to be employed. I said okay cool. So that's what i do. And i kind of follow that path and try to learn as much as i i could just about you know performing in different ways so therefore when i ended up going to college i ended up becoming a music theater major and i do find especially in the dance training. We had i. I find that different characters. I play how the physicality is incorporated into playing that character. You know you play the character from the toes up and a lot of that came from just the training and understanding of just you know knowing your body and the space that you're taking up and how how your body moves and plays in that space another thing. We add. teacher carnegie mellon. Her name was victoria. Santa from brazil. And you know we have classes where we learned all the technique and the classics. All you know everything we need to know about acting in which was fantastic which is which is the training process but she kinda through all that stuff away. She's that's important but now that now that you know it let it all go. And her whole thing was beata. Just be there in the moment. Don't think just feel and be there and that that very simplistic instructions is something with me all the time. I often think about that. Throw everything else out the window. You know the person in your eyeliner the light or the cameras or the people watching on the sidelines or the audience. Whatever somebody eating popcorn in the third row whatever it is. You know it's there because you're aware of everything but at a certain point you've got to let all that go and just sit in that moment or moments of that character. Do you do a lot of preparation. When you're gonna play a role or you. You said you were thinking about like the physicality of the character you saying they're breaking down your script into beats or what's your preparatory process like. Well it is. I mean i do a lot of preparation primarily because you wanted to be in your bones everything to be in your bones and they don't have to think about especially theater I'm about to direct and act in a movie right now. And i'm just being hard on myself to learn the lines because there's too many other things to be concerned with socially direct directing is a full-time job. Playing the lead in a film was full time jobs so we try to juggle both. It's it's a lot. And i was thinking about this last night. You know whenever. I've done a play. I try to be off book before i even started the first rehearsal. And that's not to impress anybody that's not to say to do anything but for to be ahead of the game so the more the faster you know other fast get in your brain and your body and in your in your in your spirit the better you can really play because that's when you can relieve that's gonna let everything go be there and really play and be that character so yeah but you know i i. I just want to mention that about breaking down the scripts i thought about. Sometimes you see script see people right though do slashes and inflection points and all that stuff and i never have done that in any kind of goes against whatever training we had which was play the moment you know how we talk. What we do is going to be different. Every time it comes out even with the same intention it could come out ten fifteen twenty thirty different ways so it's not changing. Attention is the only change the arc of whatever the scene is about the story but there are many different ways to do something. So i don't i don't ever like getting locked into inflections or even rhythm or pace just the intention so do you think of yourself as kind of starting with the texter starting with your body or is that a false dichotomies even think about it that way whether it's outside or inside or whatever. I don't think it's a false dichotomy. I always think inside. I inside out it really. It's psychology become one to become an actor because it's all psychology behavior right. yeah totally. Why does this care to do the things he does. Why does he think these thoughts. Why does he respond and react the way he does. Where does that come from. That's all psychology that's all the internal machinations in thought processes of the character at the time. And then the other the outside the physicality that is important too. But it's just a layer. It's the icing on the cake. do you do a lot of research to take for example. The character you're playing in paradise blue right. He's a he's a bebop trumpeter and a club owner. You know of a specific time in detroit. Are you researching those things for character ideas or are you more just focused on you. Know what is the intention. What does he want what our tactics. No it's all part of the process for you know for paradise. Blue is set in the forty s in detroit. I was fascinated of first of all. I'm i'm a lover of history by the setting of paradise blew it said in a place called black bottom detroit. I had never heard of black bottom but black bottom. Detroit was a place in the twenties and thirties and the forties they had about three or four hundred black owned businesses. They had a whole area called paradise valley. That was all jazz. Clubs and restaurants and speakeasy and and i never heard of that and you know. Of course it was dismantled. Think in the fifties late forties. I mean that's part of what our players about In the fifties when mayor. Kobe came into the detroit and he wanted to a of gentrification but he wanted to break up that neighborhood and dr freeway right through it. So all of that history. That i'm remembering now is important to know the world that you're living in so as your question it starts internally then you build the physicality but then you also build the world around you. And and it's i find it so important it's critical to understand that world because that can affect how you walk how you carry yourself How you interact with each other. You know the man you are in this world. This is a black man in the nineteen forties. Who is an artist. He's a brilliant musician. And there's a great line which i think would have happened speaks to being in black and forced to be second class. And how that can drive you insane. And that's really his journey. You know so if you if you understand. I mean i have my my walk in twenty twenty one as a black man dealing with the police law enforcement and all of that. That's a different kind of walk. You hit you see you hear somebody young black kids today or say i would never. I would never leave. You know. I would runaway messy. Well you know you weren't there. It's easy to say that. So context matters so yes that that history and understand that history is imperative. I think and i imagine that's a very different walk from what you were doing in a soldier story. The you're in on broadway. That was shut down by the pandemic. Yeah that's that's the thing and it's one of the things i've tried to. Isaac my whole life trying not to repeat myself and in subtle ways i mean characters i play they may not be demonstrably different and even in the appearance but but the thought process how they think what they do win and how they do. It is very unique and subtleties. It's one of the things That i was another thing. In carnegie mellon liz oriented with my freshman drama teacher acting teacher. She said you know the difference which i never forget the difference between good very good and great specificity. The specifics the details. How you think about what you do. The nuance of it. all so it's not so much. I look a lot of cares. I played mentioned those two. You know blue impaired is blue and captain davenport in the soldiers play. They are very different in appearance but sometimes even an appearance. They may look similar. But it's all about the specificity. The specifics of who these people are. Are you the kind of actor who likes to use your own life experiences and creating imaginative reality of the worker. You sort of like effective memory. I just don't get that stuff anywhere near me. Now i i like i gotta use. What's real i. draw that in. Lean into anything. That's been real and honest. Authentic to feel that i and you know some things depending on what it is. It's just so far beyond my experience. You have to use your imagination right. But wh- winning wherever you can just kind of opened up those rooms in the mansion of your psyche emotionally or just Intellectually is important just especially emotionally just can open that up if deep pain or grief if i felt i have felt that you tap into that and then again once you open up that well of emotions i found then. The layers of the specifics gonna take different journey. Is that how you're able to also control it. Because you know the thing you don't want to do is open a door that then you can't you know something on the other side comes out that you can't. I'll say try to control it but it never really works that way. Because i was thinking about that scene in the first half of paradise blue when blue is talking about how haunted he feels with pumpkin. See myself turning into some. I don't like some familiar scares me. I got to run from forty guilty runway. hair blue. what you're saying it's a very emotionally deep difficult scene. It's a kind of vulnerability we haven't seen from him Before and it leads to some uncomfortable stuff between him and pumpkin in that scene physically. And i was just curious about how you prepare for those kinds of. When you're acting we know that particular scene a blue is dealing with a certain now again in twenty twenty one in modern day medicine. We have names and titles to call this you know. He's dealing with anxiety anxiety attacks and depression and all of that in probably little schizophrenia. At the same time you know hearing voices in his head so you know knowing that going into it like we said before you. I personally grab onto what i know and understand about that. My mother went through mental mental illness and depression and anxiety at one point. And i remember what that looked like what it felt like so it helped me just know what that should feel. And then it's just about allowing yourself to go deeper and deeper into those in this case it's really it's insecurity if the opposite of control allowing yourself to lose control within himself but also with with pumpkin but it's dark dark corners you go into dark places in the not. They're not easy and it's definitely easier to shake once you go there eight times a week. Yeah i was wondering i mean. Do you have a process for how you let go of that stuff you know i felt i just got to go for a walk. You know especially when we do on a soldier's play you know at the very end of the last monologue. I give it ends with a gut wrenching howl and scream and just tears flowing and those real tears and you know eight times a week. It's exhausting especially matinees. I just felt. I just got to get away from theodore and just somehow try to psychologically push reset then start all over again to do it all over again so at what point in your process you know. Are you starting to rope in the director and talk to them about the worker or get feedback from them. I mean obviously when first rehearsal shows up you in the director of working together do or once. You're on set in a film but do you have conversations with them before that about what you're thinking about the play. Yeah no i've found is very helpful to kind of just get a sense of what the director sees and feels and what he or she is going for. You know what is the what is the objective. What are we trying to. What are we trying to accomplish here. And where you know what i feel in reading it and my understanding of it just so i know we're on the same page and i'm not going too far off the rails. There must have been moments over the course of your career. You've worked on so many different projects of disagreement. With how you envision maybe something as little as seen or a beat or the whole character with director. How do you navigate those moments of disagreement within collaboration. That's a great question. why is it funny in. Theater is one thing film and television especially television. If you'd want to series television where which is which is a giant fast moving machine you gotta get on with it. What i've learned it's a bad trick but what i've learned is they'll say do something that i don't agree with us. Okay okay then. I usually do it. The i feel is right. And that's what i'm talking about. That's it cut. Print moving on a must've been a survival tactic. Survival tactic for shore. Now the the theater is different though man. Because you know you've got to do that. You're doing that same scene. We not move onto different scene in not losing the light and everything so i think in the theater. I haven't had that many. We're usually pretty much in sync. But i'm also someone unless it just feels very wrong and if it does i speak to it. I want to see if i can accomplish what the director's going for. If i can help them with their vision i may. I think it's important. It's is one of the things. I love about the theater. It's the respect that the theater has for culturally traditionally for playwrights you never change a playwrights word hollywood film television. You're always changing scripts. You're always going to fly but the script. The book and in the theater is sacred. You know that the writer wants to change it. Then he'll change it. But you make it work and i owned by the same token with the director. If the director wants that going in that direction here she has the overall vision of the entire piece. I'm just puzzle piece in that. So i try to try to accommodate what they're going for every once in a while. If it's just doesn't feel right i just. I don't know how to make that work. We'll be back with more of isaac's conversation with blair underwood male chimps added a whole lot of smarts to. 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That's most helpful for you all. Ideally just tell me what you want what are you going for. What is the the impact you're going for. That is the most useful What is not useful is a director telling you how to say the words you know. If i'm directing this podcast isaac. i would say. I need you to talk to this actor about this third. I'm not going to tell you how to set up your microphone right or where to put your pop filter. That's i don't tell me how to do my job. Just tell me what you're going for. So that's usually very the novice directors that do that then mo most directors. Don't good it's kinda kinda know. It's a cardinal sin to give a line reading right it strikes me that the blue is one of a number of characters. You've played who are kind of jacked difficult. Let's say difficult complicated. There they have a certain uncompromising vision about the stanley kowalski played stanley kowalski charles joseph walker and self. Self-made is has a difficult side to him. As well and i'm curious about how you approach those kinds of characters are you you know. Some actors envision themselves as advocating for the country know. I'm on the character side. Others of them have a sort of more and more analytical approach. You know or or whatever when when you're playing a character who has that kind of complicated difficult side to them. How do you navigate that. Why take one of my favorite roles. Was i had the great privilege of playing othello at the old globe down here in san diego with the marietta stein. The great barrier elstein. Who's a master shakespeare. And i'm for that. My my friend said you love playing tormented characters. Don't you gotta do gotta do a kind of a love exploring the psyche of it. But how i get into it. I know i do. I do advocate for the character. I think you have to. You have to like and love the character. Fine things to love about that character in order to envelop that skin to get get underneath and love that character. You have to because there's usually when there's torment when there's with it's torment and tumult. There's pain you know. Part of the exploration is the pain. Come from to learn that but this pain and that hurts the sadness. The depth of sole there So i find you have to not only understand but you have to embrace it and advocate for that character to be heard to be seen Otherwise i i find. You're on the outside looking in and you're judging that character i don't like playing this guy because he's a he's a serial killer right i get i get it. I get it. But that's me the actor but if you're gonna become that person you gotta get up underneath that person first and then you may find that. That person doesn't like it himself. That's a different thing. That's a different shade. But i gotta find that person that that at some point there was usually something right that becomes broken. Oftentimes most times psychology in real life since childhood. Where did you come broken. Where's that child who became enlisted man. I love wicked so much. You know seriously seriously. Alphabet means to watch. This child is green child. Who says i'm going to defy gravity. Learn how to fly. And i'm going to become evil because the world sees me as something. I'm not when. I am good but i'll become bad. If that's the way you want to see me and that usually happens with characters that are evil or mean or bad it's us because they are tormented and because you did. They were tormented by someone along the way the at a young age. Do you worry about what the audience is going to think of your characters that kind of just the director's job. Now the director of job you got to be all in you got all in now that you're preparing to both direct and star in something are you. Are you having trouble shutting off when you care about that when you don't go man that's a great question. I was just before podcast talking to the writer. And there's a scene where based on my character has to has to kill woman on screen but this woman was the partner of A serial killer serial killer. And i said i can't i don't the character can't come back from just to kill a woman you can't and but so. We changed it so the woman was as bad and as demonic as the husband and maybe even controlling him to make things happen because you yes so so from a produce orioles standpoint or direct orioles standpoint. You have to think about those things because you want you do want in the construct of storytelling. You want the audience to a root for the protagonist for the right of the main character and if they don't form then they're not gonna like them. There's there's such of course they're anti heroes but there's anti-heroes then there's anti heroes who devolve into villains And you just. I don't i don't wanna i don't like what they did so So it's it's interesting it. Is you i to answer your question. Yes i do find myself singing from different perspectives in deciding. What makes the most sense. So paradise blue. You did it in two thousand fifteen at worst town right and now. It's you've recently recorded it. And it's being released by amazon part of their audible. originals line. what was it like to go back into that material but also have only your voice as you're only tool for creating the role again. Oh man it was phenomenal. Because i i first of all i love this character so much and this play by the way there's the play the characters but there's also that other layer of the music jazz music of nineteen forties. Detroit love man so just to kind of just just die back into these waters was fantastic and but to do it just with your voice was even better In in one way because it was a different experience. Because this was the beginning of the pandemic. I did the whole thing. We recorded over two or three days. I was in my wife's closet because of course you know. The clothes absorb the sound. I was up there. And i found that term. I ended up turning my light the lights off except for just my computer screens the script but it just really helped me use a different part of my brain. I think to listen to the other care not to be able to see them and not to be able to. Physical is what we're doing and not to see what they're doing physically but just tap into the rhythms in the flow and the beat of the spirit and souls of the people and then a layer in the music underneath that it was just it was a magical experience Best sounded real good. Don't clap don't clap for that so when you were recording it were your cast mates also on like a zoom call while you were recording in a religious recording your stuff by yourself or what was the actual process by which y'all made it. Yeah no thanks for asking. Thankfully they we. We could hear each other and we can see each other and it was zoom. Actually so we saw each other. Initially but i found myself i found eventually i stopped looking once we started rolling and and i kind of put the visual to the side and just put up and made my script more prominent and just kinda watch the wars and listened to what they were presenting so that that was helpful. You know just have some kind of interface but but again what. We're doing physically. It was very different having done the play and then on stage with these actors You know we just couldn't do all those those things right forces you to color the words differently. We've obviously been talking a lot about theater in part because that's my background as well and in part because that's the the project that is up right now with paradise blue but you work a lot in television and film. Of course do you see those. All is kind of one artistic practice and process do the kind of demands of what you have to do on each of those different kinds of sets. Change how you work. The theater is like doing running a marathon every night. Eight times a week and it really is not easy but it's a less difficult endeavor to work in front of the camera not easy body stretch but it's less difficult because you can stop and start because you don't have to. You don't have to have help in your head at any moment that you just need that scene for the day. So that makes a difference. I know it's been a while since you started in the industry but did you first find the kind of fragmentary nature of a shoot where you might be shooting a scene that's way later in your character's arc than what you're shooting the next day or you know you have to hit the mark in the exact way and of your arm in the right position for the was. Was that difficult to kind of figure out how to deal with early on in your career not very difficult initially just to understand that i mean really what you just said the continuity of it all you light a cigarette in this take and then the cigarette is like an inch long. It should be two inches long. And all all those things and while you're thinking of making the the seem believable. I found a very challenging at the beginning. Because i started in the theater. I started doing theater in high school all of that and then going to school and carnegie mellon learning the theater. All of that is continuity. All of that is is flow from beginning to end. So then i started working into a camera work this during the ending i in the middle last. What the hell. I mean i found that i just had to really focus on. I became good friends with a script supervisor. Every job i took the person who's always watching the script whose whose job is to follow continuity and i'd always check in with him or her but it's always i've i've never seen a male scripture poison. Interestingly enough i've never had but always befriend her in before everything okay. Where where am i coming from. Where do they come from. Before this so i can kind of figure out and just immerse myself in what that moment is about. In the days of the studio system in the thirties and forties. There was a sort of informal apprenticeships are. You'll be on different film. Set every couple of weeks. Whoever was the bigger name actor might take you under their wing and kind of teach you how to do all that stuff. Did you have kind of mentors. Who helped you figure out how to operate on a set or was it something you had to figure out on your no. I'm so grateful there so many mentors along the way. almost. I've always always had an affinity for older people elderly people but also those who have more experience than me. I gravitate toward them. I mean erika slezak. When i was on one life to live three months. I i got to new york. I didn't know how to hit my light. And we'd be in a scene together and she would like below the camera frame kinda reach out grab my shoulder and just kinda move me a little to the right or the left to make sure i was in my light. I'm light. I'm trying to get my lines right and make it believable but there have been many many people along the way who have been there that i'm grateful for when you're considering a role you must get offered plenty of rolls over the course of a year. What are you looking for in the parts you choose. You wanted to do something different. As for example one of your or what else are you thinking about. That's a big criteria adelaide to repeat myself so do something different challenging and unique for me just to keep an interesting. That's one at this stage of my life. I just wanna have fun and enjoy. That's really a big part of decision making by that. I mean i want to find out who's involved. Who is the team of people. Who's the writer director. Who are the other actors. I just. I don't like the eagles. I don't like the bs it's just not necessary. Life's too short short. So that's a big part of it so but it starts with. What is the character does something different. Secondly than in the script is is the script good is the story something that's intriguing compelling and fascinating to do and now that my kids are older. I you know one of the criteria was. I didn't wanna leave home. You know so. I wouldn't leave home more than two weeks ago where we raised our kids now. I have more freedom. Because they're they're off to college and they're doing their own thing So that's no longer criteria. Well blair underwood thank you so much for joining us this week to talk about your process. Oh man this is fun isaac. 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Covid nineteen special so if you want to hear entrepreneurial insights you won't find anywhere else. Listen to making it work your no nonsense podcast featuring small business owners who really do tell it like it is. You can find making it work wherever you listen to podcasts today so i just want to note that blair underwood began his working life in dinner theatre. And that you isaac butler consummate nerd new. Dinner theater in question did blow by swift creek. You've gotta be fucking kidding me. I feel like this is a very important lesson for every caterer or personal assistant out there. Who's slogging through additions or hoping to get a crack at a re a spot in a regional theater. You really never know you absolutely never can tell what is going to lead to. What when you're making your life creatively. Sometimes oftentimes i think people's careers are only really visible in the rear view mirror. But i do think it's important to note that like look broadway has been hit hard by covert right but it's gonna come back the big time nonprofit theaters public roundabout. Mtc things like that same deal but what. I'm really worried about our the smaller. Theatres the small to mid sized theaters especially the nonprofits. The places that are nurturing and discovering the blair underwood's of tomorrow the places that serve that really direct link to their communities. I mean those are the places that were hit the hardest by the financial crisis. No eight and i think those the places hit the hardest by the pandemic and some of them aren't coming back and so that that. That is the thing that i think of. When you talk about that. It's like. I want swift creek mill to still be around five years. Yeah you know. I think it's also really telling that hearing underwood reflect back on those early days of his career. You don't hear any sense of you know that. He's disdainful or uninterested in those smaller aspects of his work that he has moved on to bigger and better things. You can just hear someone who is an actor and who was acting and he seems so conscious of himself as someone who's just a working stiff. Yeah i mean you know acting as a profession. It's a weird profession. it's a profession where you can get really famous and you know all sorts and rich and all sorts of that. But it's still a job. And i think you know clearly. He likes to challenge himself. You know he said he tries to do something different with each hard. He doesn't want to repeat himself and and but his view on that career is very much that of a journeyman. You know. And i think there's something quite healthy about that and it's one reason why he's survived the experience of getting a big gig so quickly early on in his career as well as he has. Because i think people always realize. And i didn't really realize this until maybe a decade ago but it is actually kind of traumatic to go from being a guy who's going on auditions and hoping to get a job whatever to having a leading role on a network drama at a time when network dramas are seen by over fifteen million people a week right. That is a level of fame. Money of life change. that is very abrupt. And it's very hard to keep a level head as you navigate that and one of the ways you can do that is to treat it like a job. I really love hearing creative. People talk about their work as quasi mystical. You know and one of those things that after. Say and i've heard this before is that it's a physical endeavor. It's about using your body to lose yourself a little bit. It sounds so funny to me but you know this might be a stretch. I think of losing myself in the physical process of making dinner or going for a run or whatever. And i kind of make sense to well. I think another way anyone can experience. It is to wear clothes that fit you but fit you in a very different way from your other clothes right. Like if you wear a t shirt and jeans put on a button down shirt and a blazer pants right and you'll suddenly notice that your body changes as it was in response to that and then actually your affect changes in response to what's going on on your body and actors do that sort of a more profound holistic way one of the strangest things about acting and i've been thinking about this love with the book of course is that as artists actors are both the artist and the material. They are the painter and they are the paint at the same time. And that makes it different from almost every other creative endeavor that it's their bodies their voices their souls. They have to make their workout of really interesting distinction at the same time though. It's very clear that acting as sort of intellectual endeavor you know we heard talking about having a grasp on history itself. Say to understand how the character he's playing might have held his body at a different point in history. It reminded me a lot of my conversation for this show last year with the director. George c wolfe. You can't just be good looking or good at memorizing lines to be an actor. Clearly that helps but you have to have a brain. You definitely have to have a brand if you're gonna work towards seawolf wolfe a genius and talk so fast that you're gonna have to wrestle with that. Yeah i mean we have the stereotype of the dumb actor or the vacuous actor or the self involved actor or whatever and certainly there are actors like that there are people like that in every job but most actors i know are very smart. They might not have an advanced degree in whatever. But you know. They're very smart and they researched the hell out of everything that they're doing and they're thinking deeply about engaging with text. you know. i. I heard this interview with francis mcdormand a couple of weeks ago and she was saying that you know the two things that are most important to her as an actor are like a deep engagement with psychology and the particularly theater is a collective endeavor of engaging with literature. And you know you have to have a brain to be able to do that. And you have to be interested intellectually curious. I think to be a really good actor. I really loved hearing underwood's of es reverence for his education and for his training. One thing that i was really struck by was a simple phrase that he brought up the difference between good and great is specificity. I can absolutely see how that applies to performance. And now i kind of wonder whether it's really broadly applicable to a lot of different art forms. Yeah i think it's broadly applicable. Absolutely i mean you know that idea which is actually kind of a twentieth century idea that enactors playing a very specific person. And you want to drill down to the little details to be specific in your choices that was. That was a big thing that actually changed a lot about how we think about acting. And i think it's absolutely applicable to everything you know you can get lost in the weeds of something and sometimes you need to just move onto the next sentence. If we're talking about writing but you know particularly in a language like english where you have a thousand words in different shades of the same thing which verb you use the more specific. You are about that the stronger your sentences are going to be or Even something like how we book this show thinking really specifically about what kinds of guests were missing and one more of and things like that you know. I do think that's how you take a good draft of something and make it better is by making it more specific and more true to itself. Well i am not even an actor. And i never will be but i feel like i've learned something useful so i appreciate your effort this week. Thanks remind we hope you've enjoyed this show. If you have remembered subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. That you'll never miss an episode and yes give you one final sleep. Plus pitch slate plus members get benefits like zero ads. honestly podcast bonus. Episodes of shows like slow. Burn and dear prudence. But i also hope you'd like to support the work that we do here sleet. It's a dollar for the first month to learn more. Go to slate dot com slash working plus. Thank you so much blair underwood for being our guest this week and as always enormous enormous things to our fantastic producer cameron drew. We will be back next week for remands conversation with books to grammar. It's instagram books. It's a thing jordan mobile until then get back to work.

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Bill Blair on Wet'suwet'en protests

The Current

22:47 min | 1 year ago

Bill Blair on Wet'suwet'en protests

"Throughout the nineteen eighty s strange phenomenon with sweeping North America. They were in a panic and like people in a panic. They want solutions allegations of underground satanic cults torturing and terrorizing children. The thing is there were no satanic cults preying on children and nearly thirty years later the people touched by it all are still picking up the pieces a work of fiction. This is a work of history satanic panic the latest CBC. I'm cover available now. This is a CBC podcast. I'm Matt Galloway. And this is the current. You're not welcome here for cannon you think so you think why job does not use me. I'm just trying to remove your favorite haunt me released. A there is some hope. Perhaps that seems like that could soon be coming to an end. Blockades have sprung up across this country disrupting the movement of goods and people and consuming candidates political leaders for more than two weeks. The blockades are in support of the wet sweat and hereditary chiefs who are opposing a natural gas pipeline in northern BC. Those chiefs are calling on the rcmp to leave their territory before they'll meet federal ministers yesterday. The Public Safety Minister confirmed that the mounties have offered to do just that bill. Blair is that Minister of Public Safety and emergency preparedness. They'll Blair good morning. Good morning did the federal government till the RCMP. To pull back that's matter of fact. The rules are very explicit in this that they're on they're under no circumstances can I or or the government direct the RCN pin or the police in section on in their operations. Did the federal government play any role in this decision? I as You well where we have been engaged in this issue and very hard over the past several weeks to try to bring about a peaceful resolution to the dispute that exists I think I have been very responsible and responsive to the concerns that have been raised They and their their new to this. I also tell you I'm very well aware that the champion British Columbia have been working very carefully with with and closely with hereditary chiefs in in that area and and have over the past. Several weeks been been negotiating. A peaceful resolution and enforcement of the injunction that the empty we're tasked with enforcing their this is part of ongoing dial nine existing and taking place between the RCMP. And they have Jason. The people of the what's the wet and Territory over a long period of time. I think the PF have listened and responsive. And and I think it's indicative as well. They're peace officers matt and and their intent and and all of their efforts to date have been to resolve the issues in dispute and most peaceable way are you comfortable with the actions that the RCMP took a few weeks ago when they tried to break up the protests. There are a lot of people who said that that was the flash point and that when people when he came in Heavily armed the people took great offense to that and that is what led to the situation. We're in now where you comfortable without the deployed there you know. Let me let me explain the whole thing at the junction actually was issued on December. Thirty first The RCMP engaged in in very extensive discussion and dialogue. That with the the the people in the region with with both our elected chiefs and the hereditary chiefs there was ongoing discussion for almost forty days before any enforcement action was taken and and and you know th there were a number of a recipe. But you know I think very very in a very difficult situation. The managed to to fulfill their obligations to for to enforce the injunction but no one was injured A minimal amount of force was used and and it was done in a very careful way and and I think when Katie get an opportunity to understand exactly how the approach that they will see that that their intent at all times was to maintain the safest environment for everyone involved to the people in that territory but also for the officers who were doing the job that the law required them to use. This offer. By the pull back as a breakthrough has there been any response from the hereditary chiefs. Not directly to me. I know there have been ongoing discussions between Mr Miller. Mister Minister Bennett with the TERI chiefs But I I think it's a very significant thing. The people who who set up the blockades in the tides NEGGA territory and in other parts of Canada. I'm really focused. On their concern. About the hereditary chiefs requested the the RCMP. Leave that roadway Where they had stationed themselves. During the period of enforcement of the injunction the RCMP. Listen and and and and part of their work of keeping this. A peaceful and Non Confrontational resolution has been listening and responding. I think in a very appropriate way we'll the RCMP. Leave that territory. I mean they've made this offer but they haven't actually pulled back. They have sent the message to to to the veteran chief agreeing that they would do as as had been asked onto to withdraw from the. There's a temporary station set up at Columbia Twenty Nine on the roadway that had been the subject to the junction and and that they they have offered agreed to to move back. That process is now underway And and and I think that's again it's it's it's being done in a safe and appropriate way and and I believe it is a breakthrough Mac. I might not. I think you know this is what people said. They were concerned about the the law enforcement. Authorities responsible for the area have listened and and based on their evaluation of the conditions that exist there. They believe it is safe to do so. And I think they're responding on an appropriate way and I'm very hopeful that the people that asked for that would happen would recognize first of all that gesture and and and how important it is but also would recognize the the terrible impact. These disruptions are having given those Disruptions in the impact that this is happening there are people who have been calling for stronger action from the police have a listen to Peter Mackay Conservative Party leadership hopeful here. He is speaking in an interview on CPAC. What I would do differently is. I would expect the police to do their job. And essentially that is to clear the tracks to make sure that people merchandise and services are moving. Well it's not about ordering them. It's about letting them know that they should act within their jurisdiction there are rights at stake here and the rights are of every working Canadian. Who has the ability to move across this country and that is being impeded by individuals who are acting against the law and so the expectations should be an is that Canadians will have their police. Intervene Bill Blair. You'll have heard people say clear the tracks and ensure that the police are able to do that. Should police have responded more strongly? Let me tell you I I certainly i. You know I've done that job and I've been on the streets and and I remember vividly in two thousand nine when you know. Tens of thousands of people took the streets in Toronto and giving the protests during the the end of the conflict that was taking place in the highlands and and went up on the gardeners. You'll recall it. I recall David Lee that they were voices like that calling for us to to move into use force to arrest people to drive them off the streets my job was to resolve that peaceably and to help those people. The first of all to respect their their right to lawful peaceful protest and at the same time to work diligently to resolve that as peaceably as possible. And that's what we did and notwithstanding there were lots of people who were you know. People I think who've never stood on those lines don't really understand the role of the police and we re not to go in and and use force to drive to to to bring about the end of these protests but but rather to work diligently. And I'll tell you that currently right now at the blockades across the country man jurisdiction for that isn't it federal jurisdiction it's a provincial jurisdiction steel VP entire Tanega. It's the sort of things to come back in and places in Quebec and even the where where the NPR. The police have jurisdiction that. They're working under a provincial. Up Leasing Agreement and answering to the provincial authority and official provincial general but in the meantime those barricades continued to stay up the transport minister. Marc Garneau is on as it happens last night. He said we need to bring those barricades down now. What happens if they're not brought down now and I also believe the time has come for those barricades to come down. Come Down with how we've been working to support the police and everyone's effort to resolve this peacefully and that is our goal but but ultimately the barricades must come down. We have to get those trains moving again. Canadians rely on it. And people's lives are being impacted then. People are laid off in their jobs and can't support their families. That's a significant impact. And and I will tell you. We are all seized by the urgency of the need to resolve this quickly. We have worked very very hard over the last two weeks to resolve it peacefully. And we've been supporting the efforts of the police. Ultimately they still have the the jurisdictional responsibility to enforce that injunction. And bring those barricades down. Everybody's been working hard to do that. Peaceably as possible. I think the the the steps taken by the RCMP. Today's ago are very significant and do create a set of circumstances that allow for peaceful resolution of this matter. But if the barricades need if the barricades don't come down what will you do? Well I think we will always consider the first of all our commitment to reconciliation and to address the underlying concerns and injustices that need to be addressed in that agenda will remain. We'll continue our commitment to continue to work on those those issues but we have tried very hard over the past two weeks to bring about the conditions that will allow for a peaceful resolution of these blockages ultimately if if that fails that the police have other resources available to them at their options in the use of of of of their legal authorities to remove those barricades I understand that the police have been you know. Patient and working hard themselves to try to resolve this peaceably. Will you send a deadline? If for the the barricades to be removed and I will tell you the urgency of getting this done. I'm strongly of the belief this needs to happen quickly and and and I believe barricades should come down. So why would you so? Would you set a deadline for the barricades to be down? The difficulty of setting deadlines is is is deadlines. Aren't necessarily how help wanted in a in a negotiation. I think everyone who is involved in this discussion has to understand that. There is an urgency to a peaceful resolution but it has to happen very quickly. The impact of these packages unacceptable Canadians. It's impacting innocent cages across the country. And it needs to inform both sides discussions. We understand that. Some of the many of the concerns that have been raised by the people of. What's The wet end on the blockades? We've tried in. I think the PF demonstrated a very professional approach to helping to resolve the issues in dispute but there is an urgency to to to resolving this as quickly as possible and the remaining case are unacceptable and need to come down and the remaining seconds that we have people outside of Edmonton showed up in pickup trucks and brought the Bra blockades down themselves. Are you concerned that there will be more of that sort of activity? I'm always concerned about an escalating tension and confrontation at at these sites and again. I know the goal of the police and certainly the goal of our government is to bring this about bring about a peaceful resolution of of this dispute to end those blockades to get the trains moving again and then to continuing our commitment to work with indigenous communities to address issues of reconciliation. That's the way we're committed to all of those things and mostly we're committed to a peaceful resolution of this matter but we've got to get those trains moving. Canadians are depending on bill. Blair good to speak with you. Thank you bill Blair. Administer public safety and emergency preparedness Rosemary. Barton the one Saturday morning in June. Nineteen ninety nine. Fifteen Year Olds Menia. Non Devel- disappeared in never came home. No one has ever been charged with her murder but there was a suspect never command like him. I'm Michelle Shepherd this season on uncover. I don't recall making that Com. That's fine if you don't recall it but I'm telling you that's what you told me. Uncover Sherman available now wherever you get your podcast. Abc's chief political correspondent. She's been listening in Rosemead wanting to you. What do you make of what you just heard from? Bill Blair the public safety minister a couple of things. Strike me there. I think there was a small shift in language. Both from Minister Blair and from other ministers that we've been hearing for from over the past twelve hours or so when he said the time has come for the barricades to come down That's a very different kind of statement than what we were hearing much earlier this week which was really just a call for patients although that that continues and and it seems to me that that shift in language we should probably read that as to your point of is there a deadline as as we are coming to the end of what the government has a deadline because they certainly have one minister. Miller has said that and others. They're not going to talk about it publicly because to to Minister Blair's point. That probably won't help negotiations but they certainly know that we are in the last days of this in terms of trying to talk it through what that means in terms of how the actually solve it. I'm not sure but I would say that they that they know that this is coming to ahead. Is that happening now because the RCMP has offered to withdraw from territory. Yeah I mean I think that was a significant move. The government sees it as such and now they hope that the wet Sowetan see it as such and more importantly frankly that the Mohawk community sees it that way you know that that has become sort of the flashpoint and obviously the biggest issue the blockade that has to come down right away. It's clear that the issues around what's happening on the wet. Sowetan territory are not going to solved this week or next week. These are much longer bigger longstanding issues so the priority for the government is to get the blockade down if they can or if they feel that if they can suggest that they have complied or answered one of the Web's weapons demands or conditions There's a hope that the Mohawk will see that and that they will be able to then pull away the Wetzel wet. And there's a few of those chiefs there today. They're meeting with the Mohawks near my last night and this meeting. I mean although all sides are saying it's really just a meaning of to give. Thanks I think the hope is that it's much more than that that that becomes a way for the two sides these two first nations to discuss how to deescalate this and for the Mohawks to say we've done. We've done a good job raising awareness and now we can let this go. That would be hope. I think one of the reasons why there might be that change in tone is because the prime minister is facing heat from premiers and territorial leaders over how he's handled this. There was a conference call last night. How did that go yeah so he? He spoke with him last night after they all convened the day before and expressed a lot of frustration. Some coming from quarters that you would expect people that don't love the Prime Minister Anyway. But the premiums and the premiums Berta last night's call from what we understand went fine. I would say but that the premier's did again talk about running out of patience and I would say one premier in particular has become problematic. And that's that's the premier of Quebec Hospital. Go who yesterday not only wanted that injunction to happen. Those injunctions were issued in Ceylon Bio to get the blockade. Remove there but made it very clear that he's quite happy for the police for the Celtics Quebec to come in and enforce that injunction. Let's have a listen. Well let's have listen. Here's what I said yesterday about. What's going on along Montreal south shore? We hope to have a peaceful solution but right now this blockade is illegal. It as a major impact on our economy on life of people Right now some people are losing their job. So it's about time. We have a plan to make sure that the laws are respected. Rosemary Barton how does that complicate? What the Prime Minister and government are trying to do. Well I mean it's the exact thing that everyone else is trying to avoid and I. It's a curious position from premier in a province. That is all too familiar with blockades and injunctions and calling the police and things going wrong happened in one thousand nine hundred for seventy eight days and police officer was killed. So it's a little curious that the premier seems so quick to go to that solution particularly given that blockade has not even been very long. I think I don't think there's any one. Certainly no one that I've spoken to that thinks that escalation will result in something good there too many historical examples of how these things have sort of spun out of. Control that said everyone is aware of the The real impact starting to be felt whether it be the layoffs or the people who can't get products and goods and the fact that this is probably going on a little too long that said I don't. I don't think that this is winding down right away. And I think there will be a time difference between when the government says we've run out of time and then when something actually happens so I think we we are days away still from a solution but I would also say that. The lack of patience is not just from premiers. Not just from Canadians. It's also from inside the Prime Minister's own caucus. He certainly heard from all of them on Wednesday real concerns about how this get solved a lot of anxiety around that and trying to reflect back some of the concerns of Canadian so the pressure on him is really coming from everywhere and the government still believes as you heard there from Minister Blair that the way out of this is to talk although that move of the RCMP again. Symbolically is is really significant if they can actually if they can actually convinced the wet. Sowetan of that too. This is a minority government and the pressure comes not just from premieres across the country from the opposition as well have listened to what Andrew Scheer leader of the Conservative Party said yesterday and question period these anti-free-market anti energy activists have nothing to do with reconciliation. It is completely in just for up to fifteen hundred people to have to go without a paycheck because some people are breaking the law. Andrew Scheer has used the word week a number of times to describe the prime minister. How I mean. That's a loaded word. Obviously this is a political issue in a minority government but how damaging is all of this to Justin Trudeau? Well it's obviously a test of leadership and it's a test of leadership for prime minister that has now been tested on three major crises in the past two months they he is convening the incident response. Group this group of ministers and officials that he gets around the table. He's doing that this morning to discuss the downing of the plane in Iran Corona virus. And this I mean that's all still happening and it's all happened within two months there. There's a lot going on here. And there's certainly a test of of how he's government response to this and him in particular but I would say that this one is probably more directly related to him or closer to him because it is an issue that that he has talked about so much that he feels so strongly about which is reconciliation and trying to fix things with the indigenous peoples of this country. So there's a I think a recognition that if this doesn't go right if they can't get this to where they want it to be through talk and dialogue than there are some questions about what that means for the overall agenda reconciliation and I'm not suggesting it's dead or or anything like that or they can't proceed with other things that they're doing important things that they're doing but but I do think that the goodwill of Canadians and indigenous people might run out this opportunity because it is an opportunity in some ways doesn't actually bear fruit and that is something that the prime minister will wear. If this can't be solved proper given that are you surprised that he hasn't made an effort to go to northern BC and meet with hereditary chiefs directly. And I don't know whether that invitation would be extended but but he's he's had ministers outs delegated to deal with this people. Say this is so important to you. Why aren't you taking this on? Well listen I mean sure absurd something that they've talked about and they've considered for now they're leaving it with the ministers and I think the reason for that is is pretty simple if we get into a place where the prime minister is going off around the country. Every time there is a protest or a blockade around a project That certainly sends a signal about how you get his attention and how you potentially deal with projects like this you know. Tm X. is purchased and cleared but there are many first nations for of them anyway. That are against that project if they see that this is effective in some way. What's happening here? Who's to say that they won't try same thing and get the prime minister's attention that way they're they're making a decision on oil sense it probably the end of next week so you have to be careful. I think how you leverage the prime minister's own credibility and capital here But is it possible that at some point that becomes needed? Perhaps but I think that. That's that's not the first consideration Fischler. Rosie thank you thanks. Rosemary Barton the CBS's chief political correspondent. She spoke with us from Ottawa. For more CBC PODCASTS GO TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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Prime Ministers Prize for Science awarded for discovery of gravitational waves

The Science Show

08:04 min | 8 months ago

Prime Ministers Prize for Science awarded for discovery of gravitational waves

"This is the sign show starting with the announcement from the prime minister on Wednesday. It's terrific to be with you once again as part of the Prime Minister's prizes for science. But while this year is a bit different, what hasn't changed is my determination to honor the work you do on behalf of all strides give dedicated your lives to understanding willed in a bid to make it better. You've wrestled with societies and the natural world's biggest challenges. And this year, the whole country including me has lent on you. As we feist one of the biggest challenges in living memory, the covid nineteen pandemic to our scientific community. Thank you for all. You've done to help Australia respond to this pandemic. To our researches thank you for the urgency with which you've tackled what twenty twenty has thrown at you. The Prime Minister's prizes for Science Innovation, which will hear about one day and others next week in the side show, and later in this program, how Australia helped invent radio astronomy seventy, five years ago this month and all it led to. David Blair from the University of Western. Australia was one of the main prime ministerial winners sharing David McClellan and Susan Scott of the new and Peter Beach in the University of Adelaide his help professor Blair reflects on the discovery of gravitational waves in two thousand fifteen. The me this discovery comes following more than forty years were. Up, until now, humanity has had just one saints with which to observe the universe that is through electro-magnetic radiation. Now, with the use of gravitational waves, we have a new sense, a sense of hearing. We can listen to the universe. In March nineteen seventy two as an enthusiastic young post doc I arrived in Louisiana to help build one of the first high sensitivity gravitational wave detectors the basement corridor where the huge to take to lab was located was adorned with signs gravitational wave detection for Christmas. Well thought nine months to detection. As Christmas approached I, started to worry how could we finish in time? I approached my boss Bill Hamilton. Oh don't worry about that. He said those sides will put up for last Christmas. Later. He explained the Lore of time for physics experiments. It goes like this. To determine the date of completion, take the experimenters estimate. Supply by Pie and change to the next highest units in the case of gravitational waves. One and three quarter years becomes five decades fifty years as usual, quite a good estimate. On September the Fourteenth Twenty fifteen advance Lago was being ready to begin term observations the small team operating the detectors included. Eleanor. King from the University of Adelaide and my son Call Blair from the University of Western Australia. In, the early hours of the morning a signal came in almost simultaneously at both Lago observatories in the US three, thousand two kilometers apart at Livingston Louisiana and Hanford Washington State. The, signal at first seem too good to be true and for many months mundane explanations were sort. Could it be hacking? Could it be lightning? Could it be a computer glitch or accidental vibrations? It took months to investigate and rule out all the Monday and explanations. The Way forms from coalescing binary black holes are highly specific. THEY RISE IN FREQUENCY AND RISE IN AMPLITUDE The signal tells the distance of the source. The frequencies tell the masses of the two black holes and the final ringing tells the spin and mass of the final black hole. The incoming signals fitted perfectly to gravitational wave forms calculated by super computers we are now confident. The first detected gravitational wave signal came from a pair of black holes, spiraling together and merging. The amasses twenty, nine and thirty, six, Thompson the sun tell us that they were born from enormous stars made from the primordial gases, hydrogen and helium when the universe was very young. When I detected the black holes were orbiting each other twenty five times per second. As, they got closer the orbit speed up to a hundred times a second at this point, they merged into a single vibrating black hole. The new black hole is spinning one hundred times a second. It's mass is sixty two times the mass of the Sun. It's rotational energy alone has mass four times the mass of the Sun. Its surface area is about four times the area of Tasmania. Most likely the two black holes had been spiraling towards each other for billions of years. Then just over one billion years ago they finally merged the waves rippled towards us for a billion years. Expanding lot ripples in a pond to pass through the solar system on the Fourteenth of September Twenty fifteen. Win The wave pass through Australia. It would have made the distance between Perth and Sydney also late by the diameter of an atomic nucleus. That is really small. Even when you understand the physics, it's hard to believe that such. Are Possible but they are with the Lago detectors. Despite the smallness of the wave, the gravitational explosion we detected was the most powerful event ever observed in astronomy. More than three solar masses of pure gravitational energy we're omitted in less than one tenth of a second. For. Many years black holes have been needed to explain many astronomical phenomena but they had never been directly observed. With gravitational wave detection, we've directly observed the vibrating surface of a black hole. Southernly we know that the black holes von Stein theory exist and are out there in the universe. Southernly, we know the gravitational waves interact with detectors. The way physicists had deduced the theory of detection is correct. Suddenly we know that space is populated by black. Holes. Some in the form of binary pairs slowly spiraling together. Many more in the form of lund black holes that never formed into bindaree's and other lung black holes formed in past mergers. Black Hole Binary at time capsules from stellar ancestors. They are a direct link to the first stars in the universe. Now, the earliest ancestors of our son are revealed. David Blair University where Smith Stralia, who shares the prime minister price of with Susan Scott, and David McClellan from the Australian National University and Peter Beach. From the University of Adelaide more next week together with the innovations prize won by Tom Mash Meyer from the University of Sydney who's done some amazing work on batteries and recycling plastic the site show on R N.

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What Scared You As A Kid That You Thought Was Going To Be A Big Deal?

Elvis Duran's Daily Highlight

11:13 min | 1 year ago

What Scared You As A Kid That You Thought Was Going To Be A Big Deal?

"The question as a child. What did you think it would be a bigger deal when you grew up? We'll start with you Gandhi. What was it as a child? You thought? Oh God when I grew up going to be so afraid of. I was terrified that Mother Nature was gonNA. Take me out between quicksand and lava, and like a waterspout up. She's coming in. She's GonNa. Get me that lava that quicksand. Lava was slowly making its way to your bedroom as chance again, yes. In quicksand. We always watching where you were walking. If you you're a beach. If I was playing near a beach, if I was anywhere near a tree that had like dirt or mud around it I would put my finger and I feel like does a sink am I going to be okay okay. Nicky Line Twenty. Four is the same thing. Nikki for you when you were a kid. Quicksand was something that you knew would be a problem as an adult. You, guys! Why did I waste so much? Damn? Heads face on quicksand I couldn't even enjoy the beast. I agree with Gandhi. Terrifying! Gosh! Did you ever get over it or do still to day to this day? Do you still have a little thing for quicksand? Loki I'm still a little bit nervous, but I'm trying to get through as an adult as so i. don't pass it on to my child. Who Tell You Nikki I'm looking at our text. Messages Erica Three Oh, to quicksand Eric Four Zero Oh. For Sure Erica. Eight four five quicksand with. So quicksand big. It. All. Then, you drag your loved one in. That was trying to save you. It was terrifying. I will good luck with that Nike. Try to try to trust the sand okay. Thanks guys love you love you more. Thanks for listening to US line. twenty-three is Blair Blair wasn't quicksand for Blair Blair, and I share one Blair. How are you? How are you doing well, Blair. Thanks for listening to our show today just like me. What did you think would be a bigger deal when you grew up and you were terrified of it? Train'll yes I? Really I gotta get. There on a cruise or an airplane or any which way you went near it. Now did they come from watching that movie on TV when you were a kid? Because that's where I got that fear. I think it was like movies and TV show. Does every. It was such a big deal back then, and now it's like. Where did he go? It was frightening. They would say entire airplanes and ships would just disappear, or they would find a boat that had like forty five people on it in the boat would be by itself a ghost ship with no one on it because they were sucked into the Bermuda Triangle. I remember when I was a kid Blair. My Mom and dad were going to Bermuda for our holiday. I'm not going there. No. Let's be. Crews there and I trust it the whole time on the board cruise ship to make sure that like we were good. Wear! I. Don't blame you Blair the permitted triangle. We're all afraid. Thank you for listening to us. Thanks. Thanks very much have a great day. Okay? Stay out of the Bermuda Triangle Jesus! There's so many other places on earth. You can go there. You're not going to disappear, yeah. What did you what we afraid of as a kid that you knew it'd be a bigger deal when you grew up, I used to think that every single lightening strike hit somebody so when it would storm, there would be lightning storms. And I lived in Florida at the time, so there were lightning storms, every afternoon I thought had to duck and dodge the lightning. I thought it either hit your house or every single strike killed a person. I'll tell you my fear growing up. Are you ready for this? The K. K. K.. Scared the hell out of me. LEGIT Feel fearful okay I grew up in in Texas, right in my my parents had some property outside town whatever and there every once in a while. there. They would have their their KKK meetings out there and. They try to get the police to shut him down, but of course I think the police were part of it, too. It's like. I'd always asked my dad how come we can't just have them? arrested. He's like well. You know how you know. Where he said there were bad people very bad people, but the police They know them and I'm like Oh God so so. In, so yeah the KKK and I was like who are these people who put on bedsheets and burn crosses I don't get it in idol of friends who were black, and in you know I, would I shared their fear of these people who are not good people as a matter of fact, my history teacher and tech in Texas history he was, he was like the grand. Whatever they are the Poobah whatever they are the nice. So I was I was. In. And, then I found out, they didn't like gay people. I'm like well. I'm fine. Daime so now if I see anyone wearing that garb that those robes and things on TV and an old shows I, it scares me I'm I'm still afraid. I'm afraid of that. Yeah I. Don't like. Am I alone in win here love account. Okay Eighty one. I always thought these things like quicksand and the KKK was all movies because where I lived in the Bronx. We didn't have that like there was no quicksand. Were that that you like why lived in the Bronx I had friends of every color in every race and it was just we all live together, so it just like stuff was all movies. Scares me. People at the people that are are capable of doing. I knew I would grow up in world where if? And well look if you change. Your scary. What are you afraid of kid that you think would be a big problem when you grew up, don't laugh, but when I was a kid, there was a story on the news about a snake that appeared in someone's and I grew up thinking that snakes would come up from the toilet and bite my but. They will. They will eventually no, they don't. They will know your your schedule your on their schedule. Lord Line Twenty two. Meg Meg welcome to the show. Hi Good Morning. Good morning so as a kid, you knew it would be a problem as an adult and you were frightened of it. What was it? COUGARS! Not, not not the hot lady type like before like. His cat type. What do you mean like what? They're vicious attack you like. I watched rescue on one one as a kid I. And the show lady walks in her house and there's a cougar perched on her countertop. And like in my head that when I get home in the evening every day as a thirty four year old one, they're gonNA be a cougar on my counter top. And I pay it out of my head. It's. Far. I can't go in my house if it's dark I have to have light or somebody. Go ahead of me because there's going to be a cougar on my countertop. Asked, it can't be any over cat it's. It's the Cougar it's. Cougar. It has to be a cougar, and I can't even take my kids to the zoo and go to like the big cat area because I'm not sure where that animals go like where the cougars going to be. There waiting for him all right? That's okay. You know what I never ever apologize for your fear of anything that your own it own that fear of Cougar. Thank you for listening to us. You stay safe, okay? Thank you. Also we had another one. I was afraid of was a nuclear war. Because we had where I lived in Texas. We had fallout shelters I. Mean we're? There are several people in our block? who had in their backyard? You would big concrete thing. You'd open the door with a legitimate lead door and they had food down there just in case. There's in case. Russia decided to blow us away. Also doubled as tornado shelters as well so we were ready for tornadoes and a nuclear holocaust. Why be, afraid? To encase. Online twenty four Kim. Hey Kim. As a kid, you knew it'd be a problem as an adult. What what? What were you totally terrified? Then that you still are terrified of now? killer bees. I remember watching a movie. I think there was a movie where killer bees were huge problem, and I remember laying in bed at night. Just terrify. They were going to burrow in my house So. Yeah, that was the thing. It's still is I mean. There are new wasp or Hornet out right now. The Murder Murder Hornets. Don't worry about the murder Hornet. Think my. Ears are coming to to life. No. No, no, it's okay. Stay away from the murder Hornet. You'll be all right all right, thank you, Kim. Day is these things as it is kids your? You hear a story from your parent, or you see on TV, and you're like Oh. God and you really don't know how to process it, so you just assume it's going to happen. Like. I don't know like like Daniel for instance saw a weird episode house in that Little House on the prairie now she's afraid of of clowns. Yeah I get it. I'm still far of clowns. We just saw attacks. The Penis fish which swims up your your Retha. It is real it could. Those things can swim right up your. Pee Hole I'm telling you? Right, over the same rivers with Peron is in them seriously. Yes, oh. Gandhi? I also used to be terrified. That acid rain was just gonNA come down from the skies and melt my face off so. that it was a little cloudy I would look outside, and if there was rain out, run inside because I'm like not today. nope, not melting today. And now people pay money for acid rain to be. Wiped on their faces. I remember one. Christmas Eve night I went to bed, and I cried myself to sleep. Because my neighbors had a fire in their fireplace and I was convinced that they were GonNa Burn Santa Clauses asked when he came down the chimney that night, and he wasn't going to make it to our house, because because the neighbors were burning a fire, they were going to toast them and my mom's like no. He's got the magic he'll get in. He's okay he's not what if he doesn't know what if he doesn't like I? Wonder my mom and Dad. They get the neighbors to put the fire out. Yeah here's the thing we're terrified. We're terrified of things these weird things we shouldn't be terrified in our lives and it all starts when you're little kid like afraid of basements I get it. I'm afraid of basements to as much freaked me out. Exude. I'm broadcasting from one right now. All right, what are you GonNa? Do?

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How Actor Blair Underwood Gets Inside His Characters Heads

Slate's Working

49:19 min | Last month

How Actor Blair Underwood Gets Inside His Characters Heads

"This episode is brought to you by progressive. Or are you thinking more about how to tighten up your budget. These days drivers who save by switching to progressive. Save over seven hundred dollars. On average customers can qualify for an average of six discounts. When they sign up a little off. Your each month goes a long way. Get a quote today. A progressive dot com progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates national annual average insurance savings by new customer survey twenty twenty potential savings will vary discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations. I always think inside. I inside out it really. It's psychology is one resigned. Become to become an actor. Because it's all psychology. Why does this care to do the things he does. Why does he think these thoughts. Why does he respond and react the way he does. Where does that come from. And then the other the the outside physicality that is important too but it's just a layer. It's the icing on the cake. Welcome back to working. I'm your host ramana lamb. And i m your other host isaac butler. I wonder if some of our listeners recognize the voice that we just heard that the actor blair underwood isaac. Why don't you tackle the quick. Recap on blair underwood's career. Oh my god well. I mean he's done everything right. I mean shortly after leaving carnegie mellon. When he was an undergraduate acting student he started getting. Tv work and that led very quickly to a leading role on la law. And since then he's been in tv shows. He's been the movies like deep impact set off and he was in treatment and sex in the city and dirty sexy money and she'll he's been on stage. He's sort of like really done everything. I feel like as an actor on on all levels of the industry. But there's a particular project that you're talking to him about right and it's a project that i think working listeners might want to know about. Could you fill me in there. Yeah absolutely so. He is in audio. Play it's a new audio recording of a play actually did a few years ago in williamstown called paradise blue by dominique more so and that is being released by amazon. As part of their audible originals. Line a lot of audible originals. Which is original audio programming. Just what it sounds like. They're actually adaptations of plays audio adaptations of plays. And if you're a new yorker you might know that amazon has actually pre pandemic. They took over an off broadway theatre in which they were producing plays. They were then releasing as audible originals. Those were all one person shows one of them. Starred billy crude up another starred carey mulligan and one of the. I think newer things they're doing now is doing actually multi-character plays and this is a multi-character play andre holland. The great andre holland is in a to. It's directed by ruben santiago hudson. So there's sort of beefed up what they're doing over. The course of the pandemic in terms of adapting theater to your ears am missing live performance and i know that if i am feeling that up since it must really be getting to a theater guy like yourself but i do think that there's been a lot of creativity seeing performers and theatrical companies. Find these work arounds using technology along them to do their work to perform for audience is part of what this new endeavor is about. Yes and no. If i may really quickly though to also shout out my friend mike. Daisy has actually started performing live. He does shows for fully vaccinated audiences because he's a one person crew right so they don't have to have a lot of people in rehearsal. Or whatever and i am actually going to go see him perform on friday. I'm going to my. I live theater events since february. I'm gonna start crying talking about when my i live theater event since february of twenty twenty and i feel unbelievably emotional about it. So you're right. I am missing it a great deal audible originals predates the pandemic but my guess would be is that they like everyone else who's producing work that touches. The theater is thinking about well. What else can we do right. What else is out there. What more can we be doing right now to fill the need that people have and so they've released a whole bunch of new audible originals over the past couple of months of which paradise blue one so as you are a director. You're somebody who is just finishing up a book about acting. I suspect you're probably comfortable talking shop with a performer. But i wonder if you ever feel starstruck like if you were going to direct cate blanchett would that feel difficult or do you find it just like any other day to hop on zoom and find blair underwood there waiting for you. Will you know what really helped with. The whole starstruck thing was a doing the world on the spins forward. The book that dan quayle. I wrote about angels in america because we interviewed like two hundred fifty people for that book and a lot of them were pretty famous. That helped me get over feeling star struck these are normally just they might deal in a rarefied world but for the most part their regular people with regular concerns. They have a job. they care about the job. You know what i mean. And that was certainly my experience with with blair. He's very personable as a friendly conversation. I do get star struck at times. Though you know the very first time. I interviewed nathan lane. I got really starstruck. Because he's someone who i've been watching stowe's a kid and because you mentioned her i actually got very star struck by cate blanchett whom i have never spoken to including in this incident. We were just standing next to each other because we were both conveying. Our well wishes to the same director of show at the brooklyn academy of music right and she was there to say hi to him and i was there to say hi to him and she was wearing like a camel overcome just huge gases and and she was so like elfin and strange like an alien being that i just completely with like i could barely say hi to the director. Was there to say hi to. It does indeed happen but for the most part. I've grown pretty comfortable with well. I am extremely excited to hear to theater nerds talk shop but as i understand this week. Slate plus listeners are getting something pretty juicy. Could you give us a sneak preview. Yeah absolutely so for those of you have sleep. Plus blair and i are talking about the time in the early part of his career in the nineteen eighties. He wound up. Accidentally seated. Next to sidney poitier for a flight across the united states and i asked him what they talked about and what lessons he took from that conversation for the rest of his career just as a reminder about slate plus members enjoy exclusive content zero ads on any slate podcast. Bonus episodes of shows like slow. Burn dear prudence. But of course most importantly you'll be supporting the work that we do here on working. It's only a dollar for the first month. Just sign up. Go to slate dot com slash working plus. Okay let's hear isaacs conversation with blair underwood. I fancy myself. A mac power usa. I can make podcasts websites. The lot but i've never bought orlando to use any of those fancy graphics programs images were my achilles heel but know that i have a pro mike. Content is next level camera pro easy to use design platform. That has everything you need to design like a pro whether you're a professional designer or just getting started camper pro can help boost you and your teams productivity and creativity no matter what you're creating and sharing calva pro has everything you need in one place. Including a collection of over seventy five million premium photos videos audio and graphics. My favorite camber pro feature is its re sizing feature. If you design something for say an instagram story. You can recite it for the instagram. Feed in approximately five seconds and there are tons of options you can re size for just about any social media platform at the click of a button design like a pro with canvas pro right now you can get a free forty five day extended trial when you use my promo code. Just go to canada dot me slash working to get your free forty five day. Trial that's c. a. n. v. a. dot me slash working canvas dot me slash working. Blair underwood thank you so much for joining us today. I'm working oh man is it was my pleasure. Thanks for having me. You studied acting at carnegie mellon in the undergraduate program there. Do you feel like you still use the training. You got in college in your work today. All i'm sure i do. You know i My major's music theater. Actually i mean. I was never really a great singer or a great dancer. But i was encouraged when i was doing local dinner theaters in richmond. Virginia the supreme mill playhouse with creek mill. No are you serious yet. my whole family's from richmond. virginia. I've been i've seen shows that you've critical. Yeah that's amazing. yeah. Well that's why i kind of started in When i was in highschool amazing yes elway. Lebron never forget. She was kind of a standard player there at the time and i was a junior in high school would infineon's rainbow had to be eighty four eighty. No no no eighty one eighty two and she said. Listen if you want to really serious about this acting thing you've got to become a triple threat. I'm like i don't even know what that is. What does that she said. Well you got to learn how to sing dance and act so you know learn different disciplines so therefore you have more opportunity to be employed and i said okay cool. So that's what i do. And i kind of follow that path and try to learn as much as i i could just about you know performing in different ways so therefore when i ended up going to college i ended up becoming a music theater major and i do find especially in the dance training. We had i. I find that different characters. I play how the physicality is incorporated into playing that character. You know you play the character from the toes up and a lot of that came from just the training and understanding of just you know knowing your body and the space that you're taking up and how how your body moves and plays in that space another thing. We add. teacher carnegie mellon. Her name was victoria. Santa from brazil. And you know we have classes where we learned all the technique and the classics. All you know everything we need to know about acting in which was fantastic which is which is the training process but she kinda through all that stuff away. She's that's important but now that now that you know it let it all go. And her whole thing was beata. Just be there in the moment. Don't think just feel and be there and that that very simplistic instructions is something with me all the time. I often think about that. Throw everything else out the window. You know the person in your eyeliner the light or the cameras or the people watching on the sidelines or the audience. Whatever somebody eating popcorn in the third row whatever it is. You know it's there because you're aware of everything but at a certain point you've got to let all that go and just sit in that moment or moments of that character. Do you do a lot of preparation. When you're gonna play a role or you. You said you were thinking about like the physicality of the character you saying they're breaking down your script into beats or what's your preparatory process like. Well it is. I mean i do a lot of preparation primarily because you wanted to be in your bones everything to be in your bones and they don't have to think about especially theater I'm about to direct and act in a movie right now. And i'm just being hard on myself to learn the lines because there's too many other things to be concerned with socially direct directing is a full-time job. Playing the lead in a film was full time jobs so we try to juggle both. It's it's a lot. And i was thinking about this last night. You know whenever. I've done a play. I try to be off book before i even started the first rehearsal. And that's not to impress anybody that's not to say to do anything but for to be ahead of the game so the more the faster you know other fast get in your brain and your body and in your in your in your spirit the better you can really play because that's when you can relieve that's gonna let everything go be there and really play and be that character so yeah but you know i i. I just want to mention that about breaking down the scripts i thought about. Sometimes you see script see people right though do slashes and inflection points and all that stuff and i never have done that in any kind of goes against whatever training we had which was play the moment you know how we talk. What we do is going to be different. Every time it comes out even with the same intention it could come out ten fifteen twenty thirty different ways so it's not changed. The intention is the only change the arc of whatever the scene is about the story but there are many different ways to do something. So i don't i don't ever like getting locked into inflections or even rhythm or pace just the intention so do you think of yourself as kind of starting with the texter starting with your body or is that a false dichotomies even think about it that way whether it's outside or inside or whatever. I don't think it's a false dichotomy. I always think inside. I inside out it really. It's psychology become one to become an actor because it's all psychology behavior right. yeah totally. Why does this care to do the things he does. Why does he think these thoughts. Why does he respond and react the way he does. Where does that come from. That's all psychology that's all the internal machinations in thought processes of the character at the time. And then the other the outside the physicality that is important too. But it's just a layer. It's the icing on the cake. do you do a lot of research to take for example. The character you're playing in paradise blue right. He's a he's a bebop trumpeter and a club owner. You know of a specific time in detroit. Are you researching those things for character ideas or or are you more just focused on you. Know what is the intention. What does he want what our tactics i know. It's all part of the process for you. Know for paradise. Blue is set in the forty s in detroit. I was fascinated of first of all. I'm i'm a lover of history by the setting of paradise blew it said in a place called black bottom detroit. I had never heard of black bottom but black bottom. Detroit was a place in the twenties and thirties and the forties they had about three or four hundred black owned businesses. They had a whole area called paradise valley. That was all jazz. Clubs and restaurants and speakeasy and and i never heard of that and you know. Of course it was dismantled in the fifties late forties. I mean that's part of what our players about In the fifties when mayor. Kobe came into the detroit and he wanted to a of gentrification but he wanted to break up that neighborhood and dr freeway right through it. So all of that history. That i'm remembering now is important to know the world that you're living in so as your question it starts internally then you build the physicality but then you also build the world around you. And and it's i find it so important it's critical to understand that world because that can affect how you walk how you carry yourself How you interact with each other. You know the man you are in this world. This is a black man in the nineteen forties. Who is an artist. He's a brilliant musician. And there's a great line which i think would have happened. Speaks to being brilliant and black and forced to be second class and how that can drive you insane. And that's really his journey. You know so if you if you understand. I mean i have my my walk in twenty twenty one as a black man dealing with the police law enforcement and all of that. That's a different kind of walk. You hit you see you hear somebody young black kids today or say i would never. I would never leave. You know. I would runaway messy. Well you know you weren't there. It's easy to say that. So context matters so yes that history and understand that history is imperative. I think and i imagine that's a very different walk from what you were doing. In a soldier story the way you're in on broadway that was shut down by the pandemic. Yeah that's that's the thing and it's one of the things i've tried to. Isaac my whole life trying not to repeat myself and in subtle ways i mean characters i play they may not be demonstrably different and even in the appearance but but the thought process how they think what they do win and how they do it. is very unique and subtleties. It's one of the things That i was another thing. In carnegie mellon liz oriented with my freshman drama teacher acting teacher. She said you know the difference which i never forget the difference between good very good and great specificity. The specifics the details. How you think about what you do. The nuance of it. all so it's not so much. I look a lot of cares. I played mentioned those two. You know blue impaired is blue and captain davenport in the soldiers play. They are very different in appearance but sometimes even an appearance. They may look similar. But it's all about the specificity. The specifics of who these people are. Are you the kind of actor who likes to use your own life experiences and creating imaginative reality of the worker. You sort of like effective memory. I just don't get that stuff anywhere near me. Now i i like i gotta use. What's real i. draw that in. Lean into anything. That's been real and honest. Authentic to feel that i and you know some things depending on what it is. It's just so far beyond my experience. You have to use your imagination right. But wh- winning wherever you can just kind of opened up those rooms in the mansion of your psyche emotionally or just Intellectually is important just especially emotionally just can open that up if deep pain or grief if i felt i have felt that you tap into that and then again once you open up that well of emotions i found then. The layers of the specifics gonna take different journey. Is that how you're able to also control it. Because you know the thing you don't want to do is open a door that then you can't you know something on the other side comes out that you can't. I'll say try to control it but it never really works that way. Because i was thinking about that scene in the first half of paradise blue when blue is talking about how haunted he feels with police. Gin see myself turning into some. I don't like some familiar scares me. I got to run from forty guilty runway. hair blue. what you're saying it's a very emotionally deep difficult scene. It's a kind of vulnerability we haven't seen from him Before and it leads to some uncomfortable stuff between him and pumpkin in that scene physically. And i was just curious about how you prepare for those kinds of moments. When you're acting we know that particular scene a blue is dealing with a certain now again in twenty twenty one. In modern day medicine we have names and titles to call this you know. He's dealing with anxiety anxiety attacks and depression and all of that in probably little schizophrenia. At the same time you know hearing voices in his head so you know knowing that going into it like we said before you. I personally grab onto what i know and understand about that. My mother went through mental mental illness and depression and anxiety at one point. And i remember what that looked like. It would have felt like so it helped me just that should feel and then it's just about allowing yourself to go deeper and deeper into those in this case it's really it's insecurity if the opposite of control allowing yourself to lose control within himself but also with with pumpkin but it's dark dark corners go into dark places in the not. They're not easy. It's definitely easier to shake once you go there eight times a week. Yeah i was wondering i mean. Do you have a process for how you let go of that stuff you know i felt i just got to go for a walk. You know especially when we do on a soldier's play you know at the very end of the last monologue. I give it ends with a gut wrenching howl and scream and just tears flowing and those real tears and you know eight times a week. It's exhausting especially matinees. I just felt. I just got to get away from theodore. I'll take a walk and just somehow try to psychologically push reset. Then start all over again to do it all over again. So at what point in your process you know. Are you starting to rope in the director and talk to them about the worker or get feedback from them. I mean obviously when first rehearsal shows up you in the director of working together do or once. You're on set in a film but do you have conversations with them before that about what you're thinking about the play. Yeah no i found is very helpful to kind of just get a sense of what the director sees and feels and what he or she is going for. You know what is the what is the objective. What are we trying to. What are we trying to accomplish here. And where you know what i feel in reading it and my understanding of it just so i know we're on the same page and i'm not going too far off the rails. There must have been moments over the course of your career. You've worked on so many different projects of disagreement. With how you envision maybe something as little as seen or a beat or the whole character with director. How do you navigate those moments of disagreement within collaboration. That's a great question. why is it funny in. Theater is one thing film and television especially television. If you'd want to series television where which is which is a giant fast moving machine you gotta get on with it. What i've learned it's a bad trick but what i've learned is they'll say do something that i don't agree with us. Okay okay then. I usually do it. The i feel is right. And that's what i'm talking about. That's it cut. Print moving on a must've been a survival tactic. Survival tactic for shore. Now the the theater is different though man. Because you know you've got to do that. You're doing that same scene. We not move onto different scene in not losing the light and everything so i think in the theater. I haven't had that many. We're usually pretty much in sync. But i'm also someone unless it just feels very wrong and if it does i speak to it. I want to see if i can accomplish what the director's going for. If i can help them with their vision i may. I think it's important. It's is one of the things. I love about the theater. It's the respect that the theater has for culturally traditionally for playwrights you never change a playwrights word hollywood film television. You're always changing scripts. You're always going to fly but the script. The book and in the theater is sacred. You know that the writer wants to change it. Then he'll change it. But you make it work and i owned by the same token with the director. If the director wants that going in that direction here she has the overall vision of the entire piece. I'm just puzzle piece in that. So i try to try to accommodate what they're going for every once in a while. It's just doesn't feel right. I just. I don't know how to make that work. We'll be back with more of isaac's conversation with blair underwood male chimps added a whole lot of smarts to. 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That's most helpful for you all. Ideally just tell me what you want what are you going for. What is the the impact you're going for. That is the most useful What is not useful is a director telling you how to say the words you know. If i'm directing this podcast isaac. i would say. I need you to talk to this actor about this third. I'm not gonna tell you how to set up your microphone right or where to put your pop filter. That's i don't tell me how to do my job. Just tell me what you're going for. So that's usually very the novice directors that do that then mo most directors. Don't good it's kinda kinda know. It's a cardinal sin to give a line reading right it strikes me that the blue is one of a number of characters. You've played who are kind of jacked difficult. Let's say difficult complicated. There they have a certain uncompromising vision about the stanley kowalski played stanley kowalski charles joseph walker and self. Self-made is has a difficult side to him. As well and i'm curious about how you approach those kinds of characters are you you know. Some actors envision themselves as advocating for the country know. I'm on the character side. Others of them have a sort of more and more analytical approach. You know or or whatever when when you're playing a character who has that kind of complicated difficult side to them. How do you navigate that. Why take one of my favorite roles. Was i had the great privilege of playing othello at the old globe down here in san diego with the marietta stein. The great barrier elstein. Who's a master shakespeare. And i'm for that. My my friend said you love playing tormented characters. Don't you gotta do gotta do a kind of a love exploring the psyche of it. But how i get into it. I know i do. I do advocate for the character. I think you have to. You have to like and love the character. Fine things to love about that character in order to envelop that skin to get get underneath and love that character. You have to because there's usually when there's torment when there's with it's torment and tumult. There's pain you know. Part of the exploration is. Where does the pain come from to learn that but this pain and that hurts the sadness the depth of sole there So i find you have to not only understand but you have to embrace it and advocate for that character to be heard to be seen Otherwise i i find your. You're on the outside looking in and you're judging that character i don't like playing this guy because he's a he's a serial killer right i get i get it. I get it. But that's me the actor but if you're gonna become that person you gotta get up underneath that person first and then you may find that. That person doesn't like it himself. That's a different thing. That's a different shade. But i gotta find that person that that at some point there was usually something right that becomes broken. Oftentimes most time psychology in real life since childhood. Where did you come broken. Where's that child who became enlisted man. I love wicked so much. You know seriously seriously alphabet. I mean to watch. This child is green child. Who says i'm going to defy gravity. Learn how to fly. And i'm going to become evil because the world sees me as something. I'm not when. I am good but i'll become bad. If that's the way you want to see me and that usually happens with characters that are evil or mean or bad it's us because they are tormented and because you did. They were tormented by someone along the way the at a young age. Do you worry about what the audience is going to think of your characters that kind of just the director's job. Now the director of job you got to be all in you got all in now that you're preparing to both direct and star in something are you. Are you having trouble shutting off when you care about that when you don't go man that's a great question. I was just before podcast talking to the writer. And there's a scene where based on my character has to has to kill woman on screen but this woman was the partner of A serial killer husband's a serial killer. And i said i can't i don't the character camp come back from just to kill a woman you can't and but the so we changed it so the woman was as bad and as demonic as the husband and maybe even controlling him to make things happen because you yes so so from a produce orioles standpoint or direct orioles standpoint. You have to think about those things because you want you do want in the construct of storytelling. You want the audience to a root for the protagonist for the right of the main character and if they don't form then they're not gonna like them. There's there's such of course they're anti heroes but there's anti-heroes then there's anti heroes who devolve into villains And you just. I don't i don't wanna i don't like what they did so So it's it's interesting it. Is you i to answer your question. Yes i do find myself singing from different perspectives in deciding. What makes the most sense. So paradise blue. You did it in two thousand fifteen at worst town right and now. It's you've recently recorded it. And it's being released by amazon part of their audible. originals line. what was it like to go back into that material but also have only your voice as you're only tool for creating the role again. Oh man it was phenomenal. Because i i first of all i love this character so much and this play by the way there's the play the characters but there's also that other layer of the music jazz music of nineteen forties. Detroit love man so just to kind of just just die back into these waters was fantastic and but to do it just with your voice was even better In in one way to say it was a different experience because this was the beginning of the pandemic. I did the whole thing. We recorded over two or three days. I was in my wife's closet because of course you know. The clothes absorb the sound. I was up there. And i found that term. I ended up turning my light the lights off except for just my computer screens the script but it just really helped me use a different part of my brain. I think to listen to the other care not to be able to see them and not to be able to. Physical is what we're doing and not to see what they're doing physically but just tap into the rhythms in the flow and the beat of the spirit and souls of the people and then a layer in the music underneath that it was just it was a magical experience Best sounded real good. Don't clap don't ever clap for that so when you were recording it were your cast mates also on like a zoom call while you were recording in a religious recording your stuff by yourself or what was the actual process by which y'all made it. Yeah no thanks for asking. Thankfully they we. We could hear each other and we can see each other and it was zoom. Actually so we saw each other. Initially but i found myself i found eventually i stopped looking once we started rolling and and i kind of put the visual to the side and really put up and made my script more prominent and just kinda watch the wars and listened to what they were presenting so that that was helpful. You know just have some kind of interface but but again what. We're doing physically. It was very different having done the play and then on these actors You know we just couldn't do all those those things right forces you to color the words differently. We've obviously been talking a lot about theater in part because that's my background as well and in part because that's the the project that is up right now with with paradise blue but you work a lot in television and film. Of course do you see those. All is kind of one artistic practice and process do the kind of demands of what you have to do on each of those different kinds of sets. Change how you work. The theater is like doing running a marathon every night. Eight times a week and it really is not easy but it's a less difficult endeavor to work in front of the camera not easy body stretch but it's less difficult because you can stop and start because you don't have to. You don't have to have help in your head at any moment that you just need that scene for the day. So that makes a difference. I know it's been a while since you started in the industry but did you first find the kind of fragmentary nature of a shoot where you might be shooting a scene that's way later in your character's arc than what you're shooting the next day or you know you have to hit the mark in the exact way and of your arm in the right position for the was. Was that difficult to kind of figure out how to deal with early on in your career not very difficult initially just to understand that i mean really what you just said the continuity of it all you light a cigarette in this take and then the cigarette is like an inch long. It should be two inches long. And all all those things and while you're thinking of making the the seem believable. I found a very challenging at the beginning. Because i started in the theater. I started doing theater in high school all of that and then going to school and carnegie mellon learning the theater. All of that is continuity. All of that is is flow from beginning to end. So then i started working into a camera work this during the ending i in the middle last. What the hell. I mean i found that i just had to really focus on. I became good friends with a script supervisor. Every job i took the person who's always watching the script whose whose job is to follow continuity and i'd always check in with him or her but it's always i've i've never seen a male scripture poison. Interestingly enough but always befriend her in before everything. Okay where where am i coming from. Where do they come from. Before this so i can kind of figure out and just immerse myself in what that moment is about. In the days of the studio system in the thirties and forties. There was a sort of informal apprenticeships are. You'll be on different film. Set every couple of weeks. Whoever was the bigger name actor might take you under their wing and kind of teach you how to do all that stuff. Did you have kind of mentors. Who helped you figure out how to operate on a set or was it something you had to figure out on your no. I'm so grateful there so many mentors along the way. Almost i've always. I've always had an affinity for older people elderly people but also those who have more experience than me. I gravitate toward them. I mean erika slezak. When i was on one life to live three months. I i got to new york. I didn't know how to hit my light. And we'd be in a scene together and she would like below the camera frame kinda reach out grab my shoulder and just kinda move me a little to the right or to the left to make sure i was in my light. I'm light. I'm trying to get my lines right and make it believable but there have been many many people along the way who have been there that i'm grateful for when you're considering a role you must get offered plenty of rolls over the course of a year. What are you looking for in the parts you choose. You wanted to do something different as for example one of your area what else are you thinking about. That's a big criteria adelaide to repeat myself so do something different challenging and unique for me just to keep keep an interesting. That's one at this stage of my life. I just want to have fun and enjoy. That's really a big part of decision making by that. I mean i want to find out who's involved. Who is the team of people. Who's the writer director. Who are the other actors. I just. I don't like the eagles. I don't like the bs it's just not necessary. Life's too short short. So that's a big part of it so but it starts with. What is the character does something different. Secondly than in the script is is the script good is the story something that's intriguing compelling and fascinating to do and now that my kids are older. I you know one of the criteria was. I didn't wanna leave home. You know so. I wouldn't leave home more than two weeks ago where we raised our kids now. I have more freedom. Because they're they're off to college and they're doing their own thing So that's no longer criteria. Well blair underwood thank you so much for joining us this week to talk about your process. Oh man this is fun isaac. I appreciate it. Thanks for taking the time. This episode of working is brought to you by. Let's workflow it a podcast from service now in partnership with slate studios. It's no secret that digital transformation has made the impossible possible. It's behind so many seamless experiences. We've come to expect as part of everyday life like ordering a car service with a simple press of a button or chatting with the person delivering groceries. So why are so many people. Still putting up with clunky outdated systems at work on. let's workflow at. 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I feel like this is a very important lesson for every caterer or personal assistant out there. Who's slogging through additions or hoping to get a crack at a re a spot in a regional theater. You really never know you absolutely never can tell what is going to lead to. What when you're making your life creatively. Sometimes oftentimes i think people's careers are only really visible in the rear view mirror. But i do think it's important to note that like broadway has been hit hard by kovic right but it's gonna come back the big time. Nonprofit theaters public roundabout. Mtc things like that same deal but what. I'm really worried about our the smaller. Theatres the small to mid sized theaters especially the nonprofits. The places that are nurturing and discovering the blair underwood's of tomorrow the places that serve that really direct link to their communities. I mean those are the places that were hit the hardest by the financial crisis. No eight and i think those the places hit the hardest by the pandemic and some of them aren't coming back and so that that. That is the thing that i think of. When you talk about that. It's like. I want swift creek mill to still be around five years. Yeah you know. I think it's also really telling that hearing underwood reflect back on those early days of his career. You don't hear any sense of you know that. He's disdainful or uninterested in those smaller aspects of his work that he has moved on to bigger and better things. You can just hear someone who is an actor and who was acting and he seems so conscious of himself as someone who's just a working stiff. Yeah i mean you know acting as a profession. It's a weird profession. it's a profession where you can get really famous and you know all sorts and rich and all sorts of that. But it's still a job. And i think you know clearly. He likes to challenge himself. You know he said he tries to do something different with each hard. He doesn't want to repeat himself and and but his view on that career is very much that of a journeyman. You know. And i think there's something quite healthy about that and it's one reason why he's survived the experience of getting a big gig so quickly early on in his career as well as he has. Because i think people always realize. And i didn't really realize this until maybe a decade ago but it is actually kind of traumatic to go from being a guy who's going on auditions and hoping to get a job whatever to having a leading role on a network drama at a time when network dramas are seen by over fifteen million people a week right. That is a level of fame level of money. A level of life change. that is very abrupt. And it's very hard to keep a level head as you navigate that and one of the ways you can do that is to treat it like a job. I really love hearing creative. People talk about their work as quasi mystical. You know and one of those things that after. Say and i've heard this before is that it's a physical endeavor. It's about using your body to lose yourself a little bit. It sounds so funny to me but you know this might be a stretch. I think of losing myself in the physical process of making dinner or going for a run or whatever. And i kind of make sense to well. I think another way anyone can experience. It is to wear clothes that fit you but fit you in a very different way from your other clothes right. Like if you wear a t shirt and jeans put on a button down shirt and a blazer pants right and you'll suddenly notice that your body changes as it was in response to that and then actually your affect changes in response to what's going on on your body and actors do that sort of a more profound holistic way one of the strangest things about acting and i've been thinking about this love with the book of course is that as artists actors are both the artist and the material. They are the painter and they are the paint at the same time. And that makes it different from almost every other creative endeavor that it's their bodies their voices their souls that they have to make their workout of really interesting distinction at the same time. Though it's very clear that acting as sort of intellectual endeavor we heard talking about having a grasp on history itself. Say to understand how the character he's playing might have held his body at a different point in history. It reminded me a lot of my conversation for this show last year with the director. George c wolfe. You can't just be good looking or good at memorizing lines to be an actor. Clearly that helps but you have to have a brain definitely have to have a brand. If you're gonna work towards seawolf wolfe was a genius and talk so fast that you're gonna have to wrestle with that. Yeah i mean we have the stereotype of the dumb actor or the vacuous actor or the self involved actor or whatever and certainly there are actors like that there are people like that in every job but most actors i know are very smart. They might not have an advanced degree in whatever. But you know. They're very smart and they researched the hell out of everything that they're doing and they're thinking deeply about engaging with text. you know. i. I heard this interview with francis mcdormand a couple of weeks ago and she was saying that you know the two things that are most important to her as an actor are like a deep engagement with psychology and the particularly theater is a collective endeavor of engaging with literature. And you know you have to have a brain to be able to do that. And you have to be interested intellectually curious. I think to be a really good actor. I really loved hearing underwood's obvious reverence for his education and for his training. One thing that i was really struck by was a simple phrase that he brought up the difference between good and great is specificity. I can absolutely see how that applies to performance. And now i kind of wonder whether it's really broadly applicable to a lot of different art forms. Yeah i think it's broadly applicable. Absolutely you know that idea which is actually kind of a twentieth century idea. That enactors actress playing a very specific person. And you want to drill down to the little details to be specific in your choices that was. That was a big thing that actually changed a lot about how we think about acting. And i think it's absolutely applicable to everything you know you can get lost in the weeds of something and sometimes you need to just move onto the next sentence. If we're talking about writing but you know particularly in a language like english where you have a thousand words in different shades of the same thing which verb you use the more specific. You are about that the stronger your sentences are going to be or Even something like how we book this show thinking really specifically about what kinds of guests were missing and one more of and things like that you know. I do think that's how you take a good draft of something and make it better is by more specific and more true to itself. Well i am not even an actor. And i never will be but i feel like i've learned something useful so i appreciate your effort this week. Thanks remind we hope you've enjoyed this show. If you have remembered subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. That you'll never miss an episode and yes give you one final sleep. Plus pitch slate plus members get benefits like zero ads. honestly podcast bonus. Episodes of shows like slow. Burn and dear prudence. But i also hope you'd like to support the work that we do here sleet. It's a dollar for the first month to learn more. Go to slate dot com slash working plus. 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Blair Enns  Pricing Creativity Applied to Products

Impact Pricing

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Blair Enns Pricing Creativity Applied to Products

"I cannot think of a more valuable skill in all of business than the ability to conduct a value conversation which is essentially find out what the client or the customer want and what they would be willing to pay if you could help create that value closures on established my proposal sent in principle now. Let's see much goes Forni <music> welcome to impact pricing the podcast where we discussed pricing value and the hopefully very tight relationship between the two. I'm mark styling today. Our guest is Blair ends. Here are three things you wanted about Blair before we start I he wrote a true bestseller called the win without pitching manifesto second. He priced his newest book pricing Creativity Ativity a guide to pricing beyond the billable hour in an amazing way and we'll talk about that towards the end of our conversation today I hope and third he got his start the way most of US pricing experts do he has a master's degree in and marine biology and underwater welding welcome Blair. Thank you mark those first. Two points were true. The last one is not that's you pull that from my linked in profile and everybody falls for that <hes> oh no it's not true. It's not true at all if you look at the university the University of Dogar land and dog or land is the part of the world in the English Channel kind of going up towards the North Sea that when when a lot of the <music> ocean's waters are tied up in polar ice caps then that becomes farmland and that is known as dog land so I did my twenty three and me a few years ago and one of the things I learned as I hail from dog Orland headed look up where dog land and was and I immediately had this idea for selling dog Elon University T. shirts and I thought well if somebody attended the University of dog Orland what would they study they would study marine biology and perhaps underwater welding okay. I feel horrible. PODCAST is now over the person to fall for it or to introduce me that way ahead of a speech or podcast. That's great. That is great okay so let's find out seriously. How did you get get into pricing? I came at it through the sales world. You can come at it through the academic world you can come at it through probably the world of economics I came at through the sales world because I think selling pricing racing and negotiating are inextricably entwined and for you to be good at one. You have to be good at the others yeah. I think that's absolutely true now. Can you tell our audience what you actually do. Besides aside sitting on the beach cashing checks your best selling book and you know what do you. What do you really do yeah? I'm the founder and C._E._O.. Of A training company called win without pitching we do sales training for creative professionals so that is folks folks in the advertising and design professions typically and also some kind of adjacent professions or industries and so from the name of the business you can kind of infer my point of view on how selling should be done in the creative in the creative field secretive professions as I like to call them the way creative services are typically sold is they're giving away for free. You're invited to solve the client's problem as proof of your ability to solve their problem so I hi and my team we d program creative professional's of the need to give their thinking away for free as part of the sale then after doing that long enough I kind of stumbled into the pricing challenges that go along with selling anything. It seems to me that you say you do sales training but it seems to me like it really takes a business transformation to do what it is that you want companies to do. I think so and sales training thing isn't the right word the word sales isn't we. It's not even used in the markets that I serve. We don't use the S. Word it's referred to as business development or new business development and that's kind of code for sales and Marketing and networking working all of the things that you would do to kind of try dr a transaction or a new engagement so I embraced that word in part because nobody else uses it and I'm aware that it costs us. If I send an email with the S. word in the subject line fine the open rate plummets so I won't I've learned not to use it in the subject line but then I'll use it in the body of the email because I really believe in telling it like it is and I think a lot of folks in the crater profession. Maybe see themselves as marketers I they really recoil from that word of selling because they think selling is the active talking people into things and I fundamentally believe that's not what selling is at all so I'm. I'm kind of here to take back that work. I agree completely with that. Let's talk about what a creative firm is for second because what I'd like to go to do as generalize this more to my audience and my audience tends to be people who work for high tech companies software companies product people and and so if you were to say give us some examples of what you would think of as creative companies yes so in advertising agency company that's hired by a large brand like Nike or Ford Motor Company et Cetera to run ads on their behalf or for a design firm and I would say most of our clients are kind of in the design sector so you think of typical graphic design designing logos identities posters back in the day and over the last decade or so that has been increasingly digital. It'll you get to a digital design firm. That world is intersecting with technology and with consulting so there's a real hybrid. There's a lot of tech technology shops in our client base there some pure tech firms there are some pure consulting firms. There are some pure design firms. We even work with management consultancies. You know so I said we do sales training for creative professionals. That's really that's me stating our discipline and our market market in in the narrowest possible terms but I think you were kind of implying where leading to this that that's actually much narrower than what we really do we in addition to sales training. We do training on pricing. We do training on negotiating we do I._p.. Development we do some marketing work as well. If you look at our client base you would see consulting companies. He would see staffing companies. You'd see some accounting practices so I often say that the target should should be smaller than the market so you aim for the target and you're happy to hit the market so you carve out a narrow value proposition we do x for Y and then those in the adjacent cities who had who require adjacent disciplines the plans or are in adjacent markets may be attracted to you and ask hey do you would that be relevant us or do you also do these things and if you lead with everything that you do and everybody you do it for then you're just a in our case we would just be a training company trade on everybody you on everything so you really need to put a stake ground and I talked about this talked about this. In the first chapter of my first book we will specialize in the win without pitching manifesto. You really need to put a stake in the ground and the mistake that people make is that stake where that claim of expertise is too broad in terms of both the discipline on the market it should be narrow enough in a way that allows you to be compelling and meaningfully different and then you just accept the fact that you're probably going to do business outside of those narrow parameters. I am now standing and applauding because that was such an amazing answer everybody who's listening to this just rewind and listen to that again because here's what Blair just told us and and I have this conversation with so many different people. Can you focus what it is that you're going to market at. Can you focus what you're going to target and then if someone else comes in and says hey can you help me. You're allowed to say yes. It's okay but when then we can focus it gives us the ability to find the people we want. We build a level of expertise and people trust us more so I have those just an amazing answer. Thank you as a thank you for being a role model thank you it's you know I've been spouting these words for years and and as my business has grown I've been tempted many times to broaden out my business and a lot of people look at my first book the Win Without Pitching Manifesto which is graciously pointed out. It's still selling very well. We've just past thirty thousand copies and the annual sales volume has is increased every year over the last five years. It's been out for nine years so it's just building momentum and so people read this book and go you know the thinking in this book applies to not just creative services but all professional services services and many other businesses well you should rewrite this book for a broader audience and you should broaden out your practice for to a broader audience and as soon as I do that I kind of I watered down what makes it different. I invite vast vast hordes of competitors and when I start to compete against these other direct competitors I'm left with nothing that makes me kind of meaningfully different now. When I'm selling our core services to our core our target market I'm in a real position of strength and if people outside of those markets see relevance in what we do and they wanNA THEY WANNA hire us for training and coaching to we're open to having those conversations? I love that whole concept. Let's it's actually jump into talking about pricing a little bit and I'm going to give you the wide open softball question for you okay. What do you think is the most important lesson for creative firms if you are going to say this is the thing that you really need to get from what I can teach you? I would say if I could combine two things you've probably been systematically underpricing for a very long period of time point number one point number two the reasons are all in your head. Oh so I point number. One seems obvious to me because I run into so many people who don't Solo preneurs don't have the confidence other people are thinking. I can't leave that money on the table. I'm going to lose all this business. My competitors are competing on price but point number two. I'm fascinated about what's what's going on inside my head well. Is You know mark. There's anybody who works in the field of pricing. We like to have the conversation about. Is it art or science just pricing Ah do you what do you think do you think it's more do you think it's more science and my answer to that. Question is when you're pricing products and productized services a business that is built for scale pricing is mostly science dance and when you're pricing services customized services so my clients almost exclusively not entirely but almost entirely fall into the category of customized services and when you're a customer service service means you have a small number of clients at any one time every engagement should be a creative act every pricing or compensation plan every proposal should be a creative act so when you fall into that category customized services pricing is mostly art and the art is you have to understand some of the basic underpinnings in you don't even have to understand the science you have to understand some of the principles you know the subjectivity of value. To some of the ideas around anchoring and the power of options etc things that you would talk about regularly on the show you have to understand some of those basics but after that it's really just a sense of are you worth at. Can you help this client create create value and if you can help this client create the value that you've uncovered then your idea of fair compensation for yourself really needs to transcend the idea of your inputs or how long it's taken you to to to help create that value all of us that are in the world of pricing we use the words value based pricing a lot. Most people don't understand what we mean when we say that they just think that means all its charge a little bit more or something but in your your field. You're really teaching people how to figure out what that value is. If I'M GONNA go engage with this client. How much value can I deliver to that client and then can? I get some portion of that value. How do you do that yeah and again speaking king of the customer services firms I would put practice different because you know productized services firm? You're doing all the segmentation analysis and you're trying to figure out what groups value in a customized services business values entirely subjective. You cannot sit there and make a judgment of what the client values you have to get the client to tell you and this is why selling in pricing when it comes to customize services cannot be you cannot decouple these two things because you cannot be an effective priceor uh of customized services if you're not an effective salesperson and what I mean by that is somebody who's able to skillfully navigate a real proper two way conversation and at the heart of uncovering value is as as you know. Is this idea of the value conversation. You have to be able to have a good value conversation which I think I think the ability to to master of the value conversation is without exception. This is going to sound like an overstatement but truly believe this. I believe the ability to master the value conversation is the most valuable skill in all of business full stop. I cannot think of a more valuable skill in all of business than the ability to conduct a value. Oh you conversation which is essentially find out what the client or the customer wants how much value might be created and what they would be willing to pay. If you could help create that value there are so many things I want to bring up talk about now. I think that statement the full stop is spot on correct and yet so many people are clueless. Yes what I find. Fascinating is go to any company any business and ask them how much value creating how much do your customers via your product. They don't even know how to go about answering the question. Let let alone knowing about how to go find out the answer so it is just such a powerful concept and and it's the longest chapter in my book pricing creativity a guide to profit beyond the billable hour and it's the chapter I spent the most time on and I felt like I'm really going to kind of earn my money in this chapter and I look back at the chapter and I think okay. It's been out eighteen months or so. I think I'm pretty proud of it but what I say to all the audiences that I've spoken to since then is you're not going to learn this from reading it in a book. It's simple. It's a simple four step framework in most people's methodologies. It's a three three step framework identify the objectives or what the client wants identified the K._p._i.'s what are the measures of success identify the value that might be created and I had a four step set pricing guidance find out from the client what they would be willing to pay a broad range. That's that's it. It's really that simple. That's it's a simple framework but it's not easy to learn to do in the reason it's not easy is because almost everybody that I'm talking to and training. They are subject matter our experts and most people listening to this podcast would be a subject matter expert in something and as a subject matter expert you see patterns everywhere so you begin the value conversation by asking the client would is it that they want to be true in future and there's all kinds of nuance of but how you might handle these steps and I have my ways of doing it but you uncover what it is that the client wants to be true in the future and you get them talking about what they want and as soon as the client starts to talk you see the patterns and and you jump ahead immediately as subject matter expert you go. I've seen this before. I know what your problem is. I know what the solution is. I know what we typically charged for the solution so the hard thing the reason why this is such a difficult skill to master. Is You have to learn to let go of one form of expertise in that is subject matter expertise in this moment and you have to embrace this blank slate blank mind if the beginner replace subject matter expertise with process expertise and that's Canadian process expertise. We're in the process is the simple four step methodology where you the difficult thing to do is to quit thinking about what you would do. Quick thinking about solutions <unk> solutions quick thinking about price you want to get through the entire value conversation where the end of it you've set some pricing guidance you've you've uncovered from the client and you haven't thought deeply about solutions and you haven't brought your own ideas of price to the table. So that's the goal you get through that conversation and it's all about the client all about what they want all about what you will measure all about the value you might create for them or that. They're looking to be created and then even and what they would pay for that and you should get to the end of that conversation not having thought about solutions at all and that is the difficult thing to do and when you can overcome that hurdle man your world will change you truly will learn to master the value conversation. Station after a few dozen of these things get very good at it. Your world will change. How's The podcast going? Are you getting value research shows. The people don't really value what they get for free but I'm hoping you'll prove who've this research wrong. Please demonstrate to us and the entire world that you value this podcast. Would you please pause the podcast subscribe. If you haven't already done so rate the podcast and leave us a short review. You'd be doing a huge favor and research shows. If you invest this little bit of time. You'll probably like the podcast even more win win. Pause do it now will wait for you and so what I just heard you say is it doesn't matter what the solution is. It doesn't matter if we can solve the problem or not. The only thing that matters is that you have a problem and this is how much you would pay me if you could solve it. Yes and I see I talk about the four conversations in the sale. It's kind of our overarching model of how we think about the sale you think of the sale is just four conversation so the probative conversation ideally happens without Oh without you present through your agents of thought leadership and referrals and that's where you move from vendor expert the mind of the client then we have the qualifying conversation which you think of as a typical sales conversation. You're you're vetting the lead to see if there's an opportunity. Here's the really something here. Is there match between what the client needs and what we might do the third conversation is the value conversation where the goal is to uncover the value that you might create and then the fourth conversation is the closing conversation just like sounds you transition from the sale to the engagement so when you get to the end of the value conversation you're three quarters of the way through the sale and you should get to the end of that conversation without thinking about solutions and then I believe especially in a large customize engagement. There should be a gap between the value conversation in the closing conversation where you say okay. This has been a great conversation. I have all of these notes on what it is that you want what the K._p._i.'s of success are how much value we might create and the price range that you're willing to kind of invest in in possible solutions now. I'm going to go away and if you have a team I'm going to go and meet with my team and we're going to brainstorm on different ways that we can help you create this value. You deliver what you want hit. These metrics create this value and I'll come back with a few different ways that we can work together and if the client tries to pin you down solutions then in that in that moment in the middle of the value conversation or at the end of it you just don't go there. I I don't know part like part of how I work is in this moment. I don't want to think about what I what what I would do. I want to be solely focused on you and what you want. I WanNa take this information and then I wanna I wanNA give myself the freedom to think big AAC inexpensively about the many different ways that we can help you create this value and I'll come back with different ways that we can work together and some of those options from those different ways that we might work together. They might be radically different and I don't even know what they are yet. So that's is the place you want to get to three quarters of the way through the sale and you haven't thought deeply about solutions. That's scary sounds really scary. Actually why is that it feels like I have a product that I wanNA sell. I know what it is. I'm trying to sell and now here it is you're asking me to go out and just listen for problems. Just get the value and not yet at least know so. Am I gonNA be able to solve the problem. Is this in my bailiwick. Although you did kind of cover that in the qualification face yes and again making the distinction between customized services firms and productized services or product companies is where it's at scale as soon as you start talking. I have to match your challenge to the suite of products or services that I have available and I could probably put them together right at the end of that. Call right in the end of that conversation and and give you some options there because it's all fairly you know it's the pricing is standardized the delivery standardize and it's built that way for reasons of scale in a customized services firm again every engagement should be a creative act every compensation plan and proposal should be creative and so by thinking about trying to match solutions in the moment you really are going to limit yourself and we've all been in situations as buyers. If you're old enough where you've had a conversation with a potential the vendor or salesperson about helping you and your you're still describing the problem and they're nodding their head going yeah we can do. We can help you. We can help you and it's not a very good feeling as a buyer and we experienced that a lot and what's happening is as the salesperson is he's jumping ahead. Oh I've seen this before I can. You don't need to talk anymore. I know what all the patterns are and whether they're right or not. We don't feel like we're being heard. We don't have the sense of trust in that person. If you think of the value conversation conversation as I described it those four steps where you're not thinking about solutions just imagine what it feels like to be on the end of that conversation it feels like there's a person sitting across the table from you and they are focused completely on you who and what you are saying and what you want and what you want to be true and they're not interrupting you to tell you a story of Oh yeah. We did that for so and so we've got this pro. You'RE GONNA love this product. They're not thinking about what they're going to say next. They're not trying to sell you something. They're just completely wheatley focused on you and I like to say we all have a person like this in our personal lives right and I think a friend of mine when I tell the story I always think of her. I don't see her very often but at the end of every exchange I always think oh my God. I love her so much. She's so wonderful and then I'll say to my wife. Hey I ran into our friend and she'll say oh. How is she and I'll say she's I don't know how she is because she did it to me again and what she did in the brief exchanges that we have every few years or so? She's just completely focused on me how're you. How is the Family House the business have you been anywhere interesting lately and I feel like these are great conversations and had this incredible warmth and love for her but but she never reveals any? She's not telling me anything about herself and because our interactions are so short they're one sided. They don't feel that way. I feel like Oh my God. This is this person understands me so you take that take that skill that my a friend has and you transpose it into a business context that is the most valuable skill in all of business and the goal of value based pricing isn't to charge more. That's just a delightful consequence. The goal of value based pricing thing is to create an organization filled with people like that who are laser focused on the client and how they can help create value for the client you do that everything changes your organization organization will be unrecognizable if you could wave the magic wand and have every client facing person build that skill to mastery level overnight you would not recognize your business in three years and the reason you wouldn't is when these people start to come back back to the mother ship with the debrief of value conversation and you start brainstorming on how you can help. You're going to come up with things that you've never dreamt of before you're gonNA come back with budgets that are multiples of the largest budget that you've ever had before and you're going to have to get creative with how you would spend this money to help deliver this value and it's going to stretch the boundaries of your business model you will you will not recognize your business in three years. Now it's almost impossible the wave the magic wand rounded build these skills to mastery level overnight it takes time and it takes not just practice but guided practice because people listening to this podcast are thinking. Oh Yeah Yeah I get it. I can do this. I can learn to let go man. It's unless unless you have somebody kind of coaching watching unless you're going in with a buddy whose job is to watch you and to debrief with you afterwards. It's really hard to break the old habits I can. I can see that completely can and I ask you to <hes> I'm going to stress your boundaries just a little bit. If I may yeah and I want to ask if we there's two ways that I apply value conversations in the product world and I would love your critique feedback thoughts on what we do. One is if I'm talking to a sales team it is we have a product. We're not going to customize the product for them but if we have the value conversation absent thinking about the product I what we're doing is understanding the value oh you that our client has and then we can talk about what is it that our product is going to do for them and how they can help how we can help them. Does that seem right or would you change that. I think you're even if you're selling. Let's say you're working for a product company inning. You just have one product I think you're still better off having the value conversation and really putting yourself in the client's shoes and then having an honest conversation about where the value that they're seeking the value oh you the product delivers where it aligns and dozen align and I think you just you're gonNA build credibility by having that value conversation and then more credibility by being forthright about here's where you hear the things that you identified right and here's where I'm confident we're going to deliver that value and here's where in full disclosure. You're going to have to find ways to get the value met elsewhere. You're just GonNa have to accept that. You're not gonna get everything that you're looking for here. There's I mentioned the four conversations and the PROB- conversation in the conversation we're looking. It's where you prove your expertise and move from vendex part and the moment in time when that happens we call that the flip the moment when you go from vendor to expert in the mind of the client and and if if that hasn't happened by ideally it happens before the first exchange but it might not it. Maybe it'll happen in the qualifying conversation but maybe you got through the qualifying conversation and you're still treated like a vendor when you get through the end of a good value conversation conversation. It's likely that the flip has happened and the shields go down. You're no longer seen as just another vendor. You're seen as an expert practitioner so I think even if you just have one product to sell it's not a bad the thing to have the value conversation and then just at the end of that value conversation don't retreat like a suggested at the end of that value conversation do an honest kind of appraisal of where your product delivers on the client's needs when and where it doesn't excellent now every product manager who's listening is saying to themselves boy. I sure wish my sales people would go sell like that and now I'm going to put it back on the product people because we have to figure out what are the right segments to go. After what are the right products to build. How do we tweak our products and other right offers for the right segments and the only way we do that is by having value conversations with lots of potential buyers in customers so we can understand their value any advice for our product managers who are listening? I think that's a great insight and essentially you're saying use the value conversation to get that deep customer feedback on what what it is that they want so if you if you're keeping score at home and you're keeping track and you're you're coming back to. Let's say you're the product manager and you've got these sales. People coming back and debriefing the value conversation. You're seeing a repeated theme here. People are looking for this. Type of value in our product deliver it. That's an invitation for you to go there in the future and I would also say that you know there are a lot of product companies and productized services companies like ours ours productized services companies training company we we have various products or products and services that we can match to a specific situation so we don't sell everybody the same thing we have value conversation and then we try to you know we take the items that are essentially on our shelf and our stock and we customize the combination of those things to the client so if you're if you've got a portfolio of products or services than that's the approach that you would take your initial point that this is a great of a market feedback mechanism. I think that's great insight so just to be to be open. I wasn't thinking about product listening to sales people coming back. I was thinking about product people going out and having value conversations yeah but I I loved what you said too because if the sales team really is having conversations they're suddenly bringing back information. That's truly valuable to the product team yeah and I could see I mean again. I think it's the most valuable skill in all all of business and I've given you an example of how it's valuable in a personal context too. I don't when we do training for say. An AD agency were asked. How many people should you have in the room and the answer is like as many as you can free up for the day because it's a valuable skill to have even if you're not on the frontlines everyday awesome okay? I WanNa talk all day long but we are GonNa have to shut this down here. Just a minute I mentioned your new book briefly and I and I'm fascinated fascinated. When I first saw the price of your book I was shocked and I smiled and I loved Crisis Zoe? This book is priced. It may be the first pricing book in the World Price based on the principles and the book. Yes sir well so go ahead and tell us why you price it the way you did. If you don't mind yeah one of our company values that win without pitching his do as we say do what we say so what that means is we we sell the way that we advocate that others should sell and and when people are in conversations with us about training or coaching we use the principles that we teach in that we advocate and it's you know if we're as I was writing the book actually in the very early stages of thinking we'll go to a publisher shirt or a self publish. I thought well no I want to control the pricing and you know selfishly. Another reason is any book on pricing you go by book on pricing if you're a small business owner or if you're somebody who has authority to set price the value of that book is immense it makes a mockery of the price that you pay for the book I went to my first book which was self published. I charge a thousand dollars a copy for it and I just I realized I you know if you feel like something is valuable. Don't be bound by the constraints of the package and there's this thing around books that we think books are priced at a certain should be priced at a certain price point now having sold a book at a thousand or nine hundred ninety five dollars a copy previously I knew there was a market for this so I decided I was going to embrace what I talked about in the book so options a high anchor and some other things that don't talk in the book. I know you're very learned in the area of price endings so one of the middle option has a charm price and the anger prices three hundred twenty dollars. The middle option is one ninety nine and the cheap option is one hundred dollars so it's one hundred for an e book when when ninety nine for the book and Manual and three twenty for the book manual and a series of five videos most expensive e book I ever bought yeah and I look at that as well absolutely compared to what ninety nine or three twenty it's cheap and I think the thing that you you rightly I point out is the content in the book is amazingly. Valuable and people should get value a lot of authors myself included when we write our books we write the first one because we're trying to build a brand as opposed to trying to make money so hey free is okay. Okay all right. Let's let's get it out there but people know so my next book might be one hundred bucks and I used to play when I was thinking of this book. I was driving my kids to soccer games or hockey games than I would play this game all right. Let's how do you how do you earn a million dollars from a book and well you could sell my kids. You could sell a million copies at a dollar and then somebody would say well you could sell one copy for a million dollars and it just this really interesting creative exercise of how do you get to that number and there's just so many different ways to do it. All right. I end every session with the same question Blair so you probably have heard it already but what's one piece of pricing advice that you'd give our listeners that you think would have a big impact impact on their business and they can be something we've already talked about. If you want yeah I would say I'm going to sneak two answers into my answer options with a high inker just if you just always put forward options three options and lead with the most expensive one year average settled price will go up. I promise you Nice Nice all right Blair. Thank you so much for your time today if anybody wants to contact you how can they do that. Thanks mark. It's been my pleasure. You can reach me at win without pitching dot com you can reach the book find the bike book at Pricing Creativity Dot Com and I'm at Blair ends on twitter and linked in a right and Blair ends will be spelled obviously in the show notes even the show title Episode Twenty Seven One of our best at the same. My favorite part was watching. I have video so I could actually watch Blair. You're was watching Blair. Get excited when he talks about value conversations. It was amazing. So what was your favorite part. Let us know in the comments or wherever you downloaded and listened to the podcast and while you're there. Would you please give us a five.

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Tuesday, February 9th, 2021

Gemini Today

02:49 min | 4 months ago

Tuesday, February 9th, 2021

"Good morning jeff. Today is tuesday february. Ninth twenty twenty one saturn sex tiles chiron. The wounded healer. This transit is ideal for showing restraint and focusing on our own healing. What wounds still prick your heart. This is gemini today. A spotify original from podcast. If you're feeling anxious depressed are overwhelmed. Better help offers licensed online counselors who are trained to listen and help connect with your counselor through secure video phone chat or text. Join the one million. Plus people getting help with better help and horoscope today. Listeners get ten percent off your first month at better help dot com slash horoscope today. That's better h e l p dot com slash horoscope today. Let's begin your day when a planet textiles chiron. They poke it an old wound until you respond especially when taskmaster saturn is involved. Whatever you're avoiding summoned the courage to tackle it head on will disappear on its own. Now take a moment to reflect on your relationships. Do you have a crush on virgo. You're both ruled by mercury allowing you to draw them in through intellectual conversation. Give them very specific compliments. They love when people notice the little things. Contemplate the work. You do in your career gary ryan blair want said do more. That is required. What is the distance between someone who their goals consistently and those who spend their lives and careers merely following the extra mile gemini. Today is a daily podcast. Follow on spotify to make it part of your morning routine if you're interested in learning more about your sign. Download the sanctuary app from the apple app and google play stores. Get your astrology. Tarot for psychic readings today and follow sanctuary world on instagram. that's s. anc t. u. a. r. y. w. r. l. eldeen horoscope. Today is a spotify original from podcast.

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Rewind: Believing in the Blair Witch

American Hysteria

18:51 min | 2 months ago

Rewind: Believing in the Blair Witch

"As a lead in to our upcoming two part series on horror movies we want to return to this little prequel focused on one of my most favorite horror movies. Ever and the wild story behind one of the most successful horror hoaxes in american history. So listen for the first time or rewind this old blockbuster vhs and listen again for more to enhance your listening experience of our upcoming series on horror movies and their link to our culture check out our episodes on monsters rednecks the satanic panic phantom clowns and talking to the dead. And now here's believing in the blair witch right. After these messages it turned to me and it had no face a twisted human figure crawling like spider and then all we hear is the creaking of that door dismissed it as adreno and you can just feel something is hovering right behind. You could see us but we couldn't see them. Hello believers nonbelievers and everyone in between. I'm sapphires. dallo as a filipino american. Who's been obsessed with a supernatural my entire life. They've always been disappointed by the lack of diversity in the paranormal community. So i created stories with sapphire an award winning podcast that is on a mission to share more multicultural stories about ghosts folklore and spirituality from an empathetic point of view. Even if you're not a believer. I hope my show inspires you to look at the world a little differently. New episodes every other wednesday wherever you listen to podcasts. And in between those weeks. I release a spooky animated video on youtube channel head over to stories with sapphire dot com for more information. That's sapphire s. a. P. p. h. i. r. e. salama and good night more after this. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record. 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After twenty years. I can still remember the aggressive curiosity. The sort of excited confusion of just how in the world a couple young filmmakers had been allowed to show. This found footage of three college students who disappeared without a trace. Who'd been terrorized by someone or something in the woods and likely killed out there as an obsessive fan of america's most wanted. I thought that surely it would compromise the investigation into their whereabouts into their possible murder. I was ten years old in one thousand nine hundred nine when rumors began about the blair witch project with a viral marketing campaign. Unlike anything that came before or anything that would be able to come after. The internet looked a lot different. Twenty years ago it was not yet the omniscient focusing information bank that it is today it was easier then to pull a fast one on the entire nation the entire world and it was one of the most exciting things that ever happened in my childhood. It made me question the nature of reality itself and it helped inspire me all these years. Later to investigate the stories we come to believe especially urban legends and why we are as wonderfully gullible as we are when it comes to a good story. That's really inspired. Us with blair witch and i had a ufo club. When i was a kid and you know there was just this kind of whole this general neurosis i think people had and also a fascination with wind believe in that stuff you know we remember when we were kids after he watched that show. You would be sitting there in front of the tv. You'll be like holy moly bigfoot. He real running and a lot has monster israel and the. Ufo's real the blair witch project would be the first horror film to be invited to screen at the sundance film festival and would go on to gross two hundred and fifty million dollars worldwide on a budget of just sixty grand making it one of the most successful independent films ever made. But how did their team possibly pull off. Creating both film and an entire complicated mystery was real enough for so many people to believe including not just to this ten year old but also my parents and so many other grown ass people. They manufactured an early legend. They made an entire mythology of bloody backstory rich and fragmented enough to feel authentic. Though it was entirely made up by film students at the university of central florida directors. Daniel miric eduardo sanchez. not only that. But their marketing team also facilitated the spread of the urban legend. The lore was presented in another fake documentary that premiered the same night as the film itself but on the sci-fi channel complete with interviews with the missing students professors from police officers involved with the missing persons case with grieving family members even interview with a real pagan and fabricated news reports and anchors detailing the search old books journal entries all adding up to a kind of mysterious classically cheesy true crime documentary twins with the paranormal satanism that marked the eighties and nineties and i watched wide-eyed with my parents on our living room couch. Here's the basic story of the legend of the blair witch a sort of evil. That seems to return every sixty or so years. In the town of burkitt's fill maryland formerly known as the blair township in seventeen eighty five when an elderly woman named l. e. headwork was accused of witchcraft by a group of local children. She was banished from blair and tied to a tree in the woods where she was rumored to have frozen to death in the harsh winter soon after the children that accused her started to disappear and then more and more children followed the same fate an old and decrepit book called the blair witch colt from nine detailed the satanic abuse of those missing children in the hands of a violent witch old journals also detailed an incident in eighteen twenty five when a child drowned and witnesses saw a ghostly arm actually pull her into the shallow creek and under the rocks and deep into the mud so deep that her body was never found then in eighteen eighty. Six a little girl went missing and the first of the search party groups was found entirely disemboweled with strange pagan symbols carved into their faces each tied to the other at a place near the same creek called coffin rock then in nineteen forty a hermit named rust par who was hanged for brutally murdering seven children in his house in the woods said during the trial that he was doing the bidding of an old woman ghost. The one child who escaped gave testimony that he was told to stand in the corner and face the wall while rust and park hill the other kids then in nineteen ninety four. When the three students went missing their footage was found in their backpacks buried under a colonial era wall near a house that had recently burned down. The stones in the wall had not been disturbed and it seemed as if the backpacks had somehow magically materialized underground. The last piece of footage on the tapes one of the students standing in the corner another screaming as the camera falls to the ground. Now all that together. That is a good story. In addition to the fake documentary. That premiered on sci fi. The website blair witch dot com also laid out the entirety of the history and was also full of crime scene photos and timelines with producers adding updates constantly to fuel the feeling that it was an ongoing investigation. The website had more than twenty million page views before the movie premiered and only about half of those were me for my dial up. Internet the law around the blair witch was so well fleshed out that artisan entertainment apparently did a poll of people watching their film and nearly fifty percent of the people believed that at least part of the legend was true. By the time the film premiered there were reports of people driving for hours to catch one of only twenty seven theaters featuring the movie and some even camped out overnight. Had i not been ten years old. I probably would have been one of them. The ongoing marketing for the blair witch project was a collection of avant garde methods that added up to a fantastic realistic illusion. Heather donahue michael williams and joshua leonard were improv actors hired by the directors and they chose to use their real names for the movie even updating their imdb pages to list them as missing the producers printed missing posters of the three students and hung them around college campuses all over the country and had them printed in a bunch of newspapers. They were even handed out of the cans film festival during the lead up to the film's release. The three actors were told not to do interviews and to stay completely out of the spotlight which they did in fact they were so successful at pretending to be dead. That strangers actually sent cards and called heather's mother with their deepest sympathies for her loss with their theories about what exactly had happened to her poor daughter. The only piece of evidence found by police with joshua part-time black rock. We check the car over completely. Never found include with vehicle. We checked the with witnesses. That may have seen the fem students and never because we we can never locate them. All of this would have been easily proven false by simple google search today. But that's just not how the internet worked in one thousand nine hundred nine. The marketing team added new mysterious clues to message boards and internet forums that were discussing the authenticity of the footage and the story by completely avoiding using mainstream cinema trailers commercials. They saved a ton of money and also lent a feeling to the fans that they had stumbled on something. Truly special on something truly authentic. But that's not the only way that the blair witch project was able to come off as it was also thanks to their very unorthodox methods of filming more on that after these messages. Okay there's no way. I can talk. The blair witch project without wrapping skylark incredible audio drama blackwood created by my buddy co-producer will rogers whose voice you know from his. Acting on american hysteria blackwood also creates its own rich urban legend and follows three highschoolers as they investigate the stories and find out that. There's a lot more truth to the legends of the bug man than they ever really wanted to find. And it also stars tatyana ali from the fresh prince of bel-air. I mean come on wilshire. True fans of coming of age teen horror and he knows how to tell the kind of stories that i absolutely love. We also went together to burkitt's bill maryland where we took photos as the characters and the exact locations they were filmed in the blair witch project. So you know you wanna hang out even more with these cool guys really though checkout blackwood now on itunes or wherever you get your podcasts and disappear into another great story and just for fun suspend that disbelief and enjoy believing in the story of the bug. Man in the story of blackwood haters. Say that the acting. The blair witch project is the worst. There is in fact it was nominated for two razzies nineteen ninety nine which awards for the worst film with heather donahue winning for her leading performance since we don't wanna copyright violations. Here's my version of her performance. And just what apologized to his mom and my mom and my mom. I'm scared to because scared. thank you. That scene went on to be parodied mercilessly. Especially because heather in her truly authentic performance in my opinion happened to have a lot of christ's not hanging out of her nose. When sanchez and merrick came up with their original sixty five page script. It was more of a suggestion because they wanted the whole thing to be improvised and filmed by the actors themselves. Who for the most part had very little experience with cameras. This is one of the main reasons that so many people hated the film and even claimed to be made nauseous by the radical of the handicaps in order to make the reactions as true to life as possible. The actress had very little idea about what was coming and then and then when they shot it give. It was a weird way of shooting. It was an incredibly weird way as you were seriously screaming and crying. This was not acting no no well. Here's here's the deal. What do you think acting is crank. This is an important question that comes up. A lot is right this movie after the three went into the woods with the crew following way out of sight they were instructed by a preprogrammed. Gps unit to hike two different points in the woods that have been designated and find crates of supplies in just the briefest notes in film canisters about whatever needed to happen to advance the plot. Otherwise they were on their own. The crew actually followed behind them in the night and made frightening sounds in the distance and left all the creepy rock piles in the hanging stick dolls along their path as well as the famous bundle of yes real. Human teeth mirror called a twenty four hour stage play. The actors were experiencing ending with a climax at a very creepy old abandoned house in the woods that the crew had filled with tiny city handprints missing children. The crew essentially played the blair witch. I have to believe that the actors reactions were at least a little bit real. Because i don't know about you. But even if i knew that that was fake you would still freak out satanic panic and the panic around satanic ritual abuse and witchcraft in the eighties and nineties. Certainly influenced the lore of the blair witch eduardo sanchez mentioned that in the original set of the abandoned house. They were supposed to be a bunch of candles and pentagram and all the typical satanic stuff that was made popular by tabloid talk shows and fake fundamentalists testimonials of satanic cults. The national obsession and belief in satanic ritual abuse certainly acted as an underlying encouragement for people to believe the unbelievable when it came to the dark forces of the world and had it not been for that widespread panic. I have a hard time believing that america would have bought the story of the blair witch. Interestingly enough the director of the not so well received but classic blair witch sequel. Book of shadows was joe. Berlinger one of the directors responsible for the hbo investigative documented series on the west memphis three that spanned almost twenty years called paradise lost which was largely responsible for helping to free three wrongly imprisoned. Men who'd been accused of murdering three kids in satanic ritual in the early nineteen nineties when they were teenage metal heads in a small conservative town. You could actually hear an interview. I did with joe on my previous podcast called behind true crime in nineteen ninety nine. I spent an unnerving amount of time. Making those blair witch symbol dolls. You know the ones made out of four twigs tied together with long grass. These strange runic dolls that the movie made into their brand. I would leave them on people's car windows on their doorsteps. I even hang them from strangers tents in the night. When i was out camping with my family in that way. I like to think contributed to this wild hoax. This one of a kind moment in american entertainment history this outrageously successful creation and spread of an original urban legend. One of my truest. Inspirations for this very show it seems that by now twenty years later the rumors of the films reality would be long laid to rest but heather donahue says there are still people online who believe in the reality of the blair witch legend in the disappearance and they think that heather mike and josh are really hired schillt's in some grand conspiracy that those students really did die that they really did disappear under these mysterious circumstances and that the three actors were hired to play them in real life. So whoever's responsible probably some elite satanic cult connected to the aluminum body will yet again get away with unspeakable crimes. American hysteria is written produced and hosted by me. Chelsea weber smith assistant produced by derek smith produced and edited by clear kamo studios and research assisted by riley will be back in two weeks with another viral phenomenon from the world wide web. In the meantime subscribe to blackwood. Follow american history on social media. Leave us a review and get ready. Because we're coming up on camping season. See out there

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Labor Day in Apocalypse Parish 2020

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01:35 min | 9 months ago

Labor Day in Apocalypse Parish 2020

"Hey, this is rocks. This is a Labor Day Happy Labor Day to everyone for all those who WanNa know what role Labor is God curse Nand. have. Labor and make money for their own living. People are slave to money all about that Labor Day. And then there's moms that are labor today that are having children, and then there's people that just. Labor round you know Thomas Their. Harness I guess you could say and all they have is time on their hands and nothing to do when it's just a bad place to live no entertainment. Get caught blocked on the Internet by identity thieves. Impostors claiming there may so funny I used to have a friend of the Internet, but now it's not so friendly. I don't even want to blog right comment. It's really a shame but anyway, happy Labor. Day to you. This is GonNa be a short announcement short podcast y'all have a Safe Kobe free. Labor Day if that's possible I wear my mask Ebsworth. So be sure to wear your. Labor Day. That's James A friend of mine sehaj James, y'all doing today. Hope you're doing fine. This is where I bent let loose over. Thank everything you're going through. You can do the same. This is Blair Iraq's an apocalypse Paris also known as the Lamb Wilson. Sonnen all.

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Break Up Or Make Up

Mojo In The Morning

08:58 min | 4 months ago

Break Up Or Make Up

"The man what did that guy do. Nothing but three break-up or make-up this next on mojo in the morning. Hey don't go anywhere. Because shannon is gonna do a dirty update for us. And we will have that shannon's dirty on the thirty heard here on mojo in the morning time now for a break-up or make-up you decide the fate of a relationship you tell us whether or not a couple should break-up or make-up if you think something shady speak up a four four joe live aid for four six five six five. Four eight is telephone. Number blair is on with us right now. Hey blair high. So what's the what's the problem. i've been kinda feeling a little. I don't know something is a little off with my boyfriend. Really just Well so we've been together about three months And it was his birthday last week games. And i didn't know and i found out through like usual friends on twitter that i did had a birthday party and i was at there. That's really you didn't know about the party or dino his birth that you didn't oh i'm assuming it's known both so tell me again. How long have you guys been together. Three months like a couple of times a week for three months. Guess what did you ask him when he was no like. I don't like i mean i i. I don't know how that comes up in conversation. I guess like we've never had come to my notice. It on social media or something but it seems like if he's having a party that would come up in conversation so he obviously. I mean he doesn't see you in the future. I'm guessing because he didn't want you to be there. I'm sorry to say it so bluntly but i mean if friends and family you're going to be there that would be the perfect opportunity for him to introduce this new person in his life or completely whitewashed that if he doesn't want to have you ever met any of his friends or family in three months you guys have been dating. No and that's another big problem. I've never met any of his friends. And like there's definitely and you know. I feel could have been opportunities boy in your the fun toy on the side after three months. You've met a few friends. And if it's if it's getting serious you've met a family member or two for sure. I in my opinion. I would say on this one break-up or make-up i would say break-up no good explanation you know as far as it being his birthday you and not telling you about birth surprised that you guys didn't talk about birthdays and stuff. You've been together for three months. That's a long time to not talk about that friends on social media because your friends on facebook you probably know in his birthday as but he doesn't have the key only has twitter and instagram and about the was he instagram's like you update explorer tab. Whatever like showed me where he was liking pictures you know and they were pictures of him with his friends at this bar and it was all guys for the most part but yeah i didn't i definitely did not feel you know that were that went out and got drinks and it wasn't we mix better and all that stuff but did you just get out of marriage or something. The only thing i could think of was like maybe. He's being cautious but still. I'm celebrating my birthday with a bunch of guys and you can do something another time. And it's an easy only. Could've you could've been like. Oh it's guys might and i would've totally under very independent. Debbie break-up or make-up. I think they should break up. If they're only seeing each other a couple of times a week it's probably reflect only Sounds though is that what your relationship is or do you guys do more than just have sex with. We definitely go out and do things. You don't just stay home But hey rene break-up or make-up I don't even think you guys are together so like i don't even know i guess. Break up i don't know but i are. You guys together has he. Made use us We've never any don't we haven't sat down. And how are you my boyfriend or that. I don't think like you guys are together. We join the morning tanya. What do you think break-up or make-up they're not together so normal birthday. He wasn't invited. He hasn't met his family. They're not even a couple So that maybe the better phrases. Just stop seeing him. Just leave him alone. It was his birthday. He didn't want her to know so she's not. That's something that comes up but conversation when you first meet a person within at least the first month Hollis says makeup. What's going on. Hello hello you say makeup. Well i do say make up in a sense. I agree with the last couple callers that they might not be together but at least give him a chance to explain. Why because i'm sorry but to me. Three months is not a long time if you see somebody two times a week. that's nothing. yes serious yet but this potential take it to the next step or leave it in the dust split. If you're having a birthday party that comes up in conversation. You don't just leave that selective. When i should give them a chance to actually what was going on. Maybe he doesn't think exclusive they haven't defined the relationship probably nothing We have a d. on the phone with us right now who this exact thing happened to and again. If you're just tuning in right now blair found out that the guy that she's been with for three months celebrated a birthday didn't invite her didn't even talk about his birthday and this happened to you d did and she's the other woman she is decided checks all day. What happened to you. Explain your situation. I was free. I was aiding and we were. Actually i ca. I thought we were together and like his birthday. Came around literally. And my on my what are you doing. The right thing. I knew birthday was and he was like. Oh nothing just probably soon the house. Okay well some tickets you then. It's like oh no i'm fine. I just wanna be alone and kind of gave me to stop story about why he be like the around me and stuff and about okay. Well i was just chilling and then like the next day i felt like a whole bunch of pictures on instagram out of him and like partying and stuff. Oh i thought you like to chill announces. Oh one investigation. He ended up cheating on his girlfriend and with me. And i'm super jealous. So i like in boxer and stuff and i kind of set him up. You actually did that with this girl for this. Great yeah mike. Super jealous mike. I don't i don't play that i'm never. I'm number one. I from secondhand. Nobody go do us a favor. Hang on the phone. Because he's on the phone with us right now blair's guys on their stare. His name is aaron. Aaron are you okay with your voice on the radio. Yes yeah okay. So we were talking to Blair who told us about how you celebrated a birthday had a little get together. And you didn't invite her. Yeah yeah. I don't think flourescent. May i think she was not at your birthday. No why why didn't you even tell her about it. it was. I mean. it wasn't like a big. It was something that my my my my guy set up for me so just never came up in conversation. Yeah that's what you were doing that night. No it didn't come up so you so you. Why did you not invite her. I don't understand that was just dudes. Okay that aaron Yeah so shady. You sounds like to me blair. You've got to cut your losses. This isn't the one. Sorry not a really encouraging latest. Start my morning. But i'm glad i like fast guys advice. Listen to the show and.

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