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1884, Blaine vs. Cleveland: Tell the Truth

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1884, Blaine vs. Cleveland: Tell the Truth

"It's October eighteen. Seventy four in Buffalo New York and grover. Cleveland has a problem as a single childless man. He works long hours and focuses his career as a lawyer and politician but his relationship with Maria. Halpin has turned his world upside down last year. Thirty three year old widow Helen and thirty four year old bachelor. Cleveland had a brief affair. She gave birth to a son shortly thereafter since then. Halpin has been caring for the child. Alone Cleveland offers. Some financial support lately happens. Been drinking the money away to the point of neglecting the baby boy in a small apartment and Buffalo New York Cleveland and Maria her infant Oscar and his friend Roswell boroughs meet to discuss the situation Alpha crying. Cleveland tries to reason with her. This is how it must be Maria. I don't agree. I think we could be a family. You me and Baby Oscar now. Now I've told you before the best thing for the child is to put him up for adoption. This way you'll have a chance for a real family. Cleveland's perhaps harsh detached. Answer Convinces Maria. He will never marry her nor offer anything. More than financial support as tears stream. Down Her face. Cleveland's friend boroughs a county judge chimes. Then don't worry I have worked all out for you. In the child you will go to providence asylum for a few months of rest. Once you restored to full health. Cleveland here will help you set up shop in Niagara Falls. What about my baby? Can I take him? Borough shakes his head. No I'm afraid nine. Young Oscar will go to the Protestant orphan asylum. Cleveland Jumps in Maria. I will pay the monthly fee until a respectable family can adopt the child in a workout looking from Cleveland to boroughs and back to Cleveland help and realizes she has no choice. She drives her tears. Resigns herself to burroughs plan. Very well just give me a few minutes. Gather Oscars things kiss him goodbye. Cleveland SIZE NODS in agreement. He's relieved that Halpin would go along with the plan other than burrows a few detectives and the staff at the asylum and the orphanage no one ever needs to know that he got himself into what he calls a woman scrape. Cleveland stands to leave the small apartment. Maria you'll see this arrangement will be the best thing for all of us for Oscar for you and for me with that. He walks out the door less than an hour later. Boroughs helping and baby Oscar depart. Boroughs takes happened. The Orphanage and the grieving mother says a final farewell to her child. Cleveland's friend then escorts happened to the silent where she will spend several months recovering from her excessive drinking. Cleveland dutifully pays five dollars per month to the orphanage until Baby Oscars adopted by local family when help and leaves the asylum Cleveland since her money to open a shop and Niagara Falls as promised he will never see how him or the child again. Wicked game is sponsored by the Economist. 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And then the number twelve all one word to nine nine zero zero zero for your first twelve issues and enjoy the economists whenever and wherever you want. I'm Lindsey. Graham and this is American elections. Wicked game In the eighteen seventies and eighteen eighties. Grover Cleveland rose through the democratic ranks. He earned a reputation as an honest pro reform. Civil servant in an era of quid pro quo machine politics as he gained star power within the Democratic Party in New York. Cleveland earned the nickname. Grover the good this reputation propelled him for mayor of Buffalo to Governor of New York State. And just a few years around the same time on the other side of the aisle. There was another politician. Who made a name for himself to Republican? James Blaine. He served in Congress and Secretary of state to President. James Garfield as a moderate Republican Blaine lobby to curb rampant federal patronage. Better known as the spoils system this system data back to President. Andrew Jackson and by the mid eighteen eighty S. It had grown out of control many fully expected to turn their party loyalty into a lucrative government post regardless of qualification moderate Republicans like Blaine sought to restore honesty transparency and efficiency to federal government departments another faction of Republicans known as stalwarts bought such reforms. Stalwarts were led by two men Roscoe conquering in his right hand. Man Vice President Chester Arthur. The Spoil System had given them leverage within the party. They saw no reason to rock the boat. Eager Office seekers got caught in the middle of this intraparty debate as Cleveland and Blaine argued for reform and Conklin Arthur resisted one republican frustrated with business as usual in. Washington would exact his revenge on the president of the United States himself. This is episode twenty five eighteen eighty four Blaine versus Cleveland. Tell the truth across the seventies grover. Cleveland HAD RISEN TO PROMINENCE IN BUFFALO NEW YORK. He'd worked as a lawyer and with the help of his well-connected uncle established a law practice with a few partners. Cleveland had developed a close friendship with his partner Oscar. Folsom folsom outgoing. Manner and good looks made a sharp contrast with Cleveland Dour countenance so fall. Some became the public face of their growing law. Practice Cleveland was close with the entire fulsome family. But even the domestic list of Oscar and Emma folsom could not entice Cleveland to marry and start a family of his own when his sister asked if he had ever considered marriage. Cleveland replied a good many times and the more I think of it the more. I think I'll not do it instead. Cleveland was married to his work to use the modern parlance. He was a workaholic. His law practice had thrived and he charged high fees for his end man services. Cleveland regularly sent large portions of his salary to his impoverished. Mother and single sisters business partners clients and local politicians respected him. One judge describe Cleveland's honesty he practiced. No subterfuge this was impossible for him. His great strength was his candor. His thorough integrity in eighteen seventy. He had accepted the nomination to run for. Erie County Sheriff Though. He was only thirty three years old at the time. Cleveland had easily won the election and applied his knowledge of the law and work ethic to his post. He often chose to perform the unsavory parts of the job himself. Rather than force them onto an underlying when necessary. He pulled the lever at the gallows several men to their deaths in eighteen. Seventy three Cleveland had left office and gone back to his private law practice but he had never truly left politics behind a devoted democrat. Cleveland had supported local candidates and served on Party committees as the Democrats were hard to overcome their reputation as the party of the rebellion in the civil war. Cleveland had earned a reputation as a political booster in favor of reform. But Cleveland soon faced a public tragedy on July. Twenty third eighteen seventy five his friend Oscar FOLSOM had a terrible carriage accident on Balmy summer afternoon. Folsom rode in a carriage. On his way to Cleveland's home hit a love for carriage and horse racing relishing. The speed of the ride fulsome took a turn in the road too fast. His horse losses footing. The wheel slipped skidded and the carriage careened out of control. Fulsome was thrown from his seat and hit his head. He died instantly three days later on July. Twenty six eighteen seventy five. Cleveland was called on to give his friends eulogy as he looked out over the crowd of lawyers friends and family. Cleveland choked up in the course of a life not entirely devoid of startling events. I can truly say. I was never so shocked and overwhelmed when I heard on Friday night of the death of Oscar folsom. The congregants nodded in agreement. Tears STREAK DOWN. The faces a several men. The Cleveland sympathies focused on falsehoods widow. Emma and her daughter Francis. I know that we will sorely Miss Oscar and his kind and generous heart but let are tender sympathy extent to fatherless child after the Memorial Service. Cleveland followed his own advice. Folsom died without a will. In Cleveland took on the role of executor of his largest date. He managed the estate free of charge and assured that Emma and Francis Folsom were financially secure even with a large workload and his responsibilities in the folsom estate in eighteen eighty. One Cleveland felt the lure of public office. Again he told a friend. This office seeking is a disease. It is even catching in eighteen. Eighty one Democratic Party leaders. Ask Cleveland to run for mayor of Buffalo. He agreed and he won in his acceptance speech. Cleveland firmly established his commitment to reform. He declared I believe that. A more rigid scrutiny of all public expenditures will result in a great saving to the Community. And when we consider that public officials are the trustees of the people and hold their places and exercise their power for the benefit of the people. There should be no higher inducement to a faithful. An honest discharge of public duty. Buffalo citizens agreed but not everyone approved of Cleveland stance in cross country Pro Reform. Moderate Republicans and Democrats hotly debated the necessity of government reform with the resistance. Stalwart Republicans that fierce debates at the table for an assassin to take matters into his own hands. It's nine am on Saturday. July second eighteen eighty one president James Garfield enders the Waiting Room of the Baltimore and Potomac Railway Depot in Washington. Dc Garfield talks with his travel companion secretary of state. James Blaine about his summer plans. The two men take several steps into the bustling train station pass Workman and summer travelers on their way to board a train. To New York City President does not see Dr Care Charles Guitar. Waiting the newsstand as Garfield steps toward the train platform. You Tow pulls out a pistol and takes aim. The bully grazes. The president's right shoulder. Tearing his suit shattering nearby glass sending shards fall. Into the carpeted floor. Garfield looks around frantically first attacker while tote takes advantage of the confusion he steps to his right aims his pistol again and fires. This time the bullet hits Garfield in the back just above his waist Garfield slumps to the floor. His blood soaps the back of his light grey. Summer suit blame watches in horror and calls out for. Help help you you. They're the same for the nearest doctor. The president's been shot as a crowd forms around the president attempts to slip away and head for the nearest exit. What a witness blocks escape route? You toes forced to turn and run to another door. He Collides with a police officer who grabs him by the arm but doesn't know him as the assassin. Sir. You're coming from the scene of a shooting. I'm detaining you and all the rest until I get to the bottom of this as the officer Forces Guitar into a nearby chair. Several train station employees bring a mattress from their workroom and lift the injured president onto it only then does Dr Smith Townsend Washington. Dc's health officer arrive immediately. Begins EXAMINATION OF GARFIELD MR PRESIDENT? Can you tell me where you feel the most pain my right leg and my foot ache? That could be a sign of spinal damage. Mr President. If you're able. Can you turn over onto your side for me? Garfield Winston as he rolls from his back to his side. Townsend carefully examines the Gunshot Wound. Probate with his finger in an attempt to locate the bullet. Oh what do you think of my condition? Doctor Mr President. You are gravely injured that I can see no spinal damage and I have no reason to fear the worst. Dr Townsend's encouragement does not assuaged president. Donald Doctor I feel I am a dead man. After Guitar. Attack President James Garfield lingered for eighty six days before dying from Septicemia Blood Poisoning Guitar ultimately admitted to the murder claiming the Garfield passed him over for a government position. He deserved Garfield died on. September nineteenth eighteen eighty one at ten thirty five PM. Chester a Arthur was never supposed to be president. He became vice president only because as a stalwart republican he brought votes from that wing of the party to his running mate James Garfield he also hailed from New York and could almost guarantee that crucial state would vote for the Garfield Arthur ticket in the eighteen eighty election but moderate Republicans never wanted him at the helm many of them considered Arthur to be a political hack in the pocket of the powerful and corrupt stalwart Republican leader Roscoe conquering one Republican thirty one year old Julius Sand took action though she had no personal connection to Arthur she boldly wrote to the perspective President. The people are bowed in grief but not so much because Garfield is dying as because you are his successor but San saw reason for hope and offered Arthur. Some wise counsel making a man President Can Change Him. Great Emergencies Awaken generous traits which have lain dormant half alive if there is a spark of true nobility in you now is the occasion to let it shine at two fifteen am on September Twentieth Eighteen. Eighty one Arthur took the oath of office and became President. He took sands advice to heart and try to act with his conscience with President. Garfield assassination are through began to see the need for reform. A frustrated office secret had murdered his predecessor and Arthur came to think civil service reform could solve. Many of the problems caused by the Spoil System Again. San WROTE ARTHUR. The vital question before the country today is Civil Service Reform. Vital question before you is how you will meet. Arthur began writing back to sand regularly asking for advice. He needed her support as he faced national challenges that had been brewing for years as he navigated increasingly difficult political issues and sought to make the presidency his own Arthur would alienate members from both wings of the Republican Party would find himself with few allies and even fewer friends the topic that would ultimately drive a wedge between Arthur and. His party was a hot button. Issue at in one form or another has been with the country since its inception in gration. Wicked game is sponsored by the great courses. Plus have you got some unexpected time at home. 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Go to the great courses plus for decades Californians had blamed Chinese immigrants for depressing wages and had passed several laws to restrict their rights but fear of Chinese immigrants. Had I become a national issue in eighteen seventy nine when a factory in Pennsylvania used Chinese labourers to bust a strike of white workers? This incident had fuelled racist attitudes and in March of eighteen. Eighty two Republicans and Democrats in Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act. The bill barred all Chinese laborers from entering the country for twenty years. It also prevented any Chinese person currently living in the US from leaving and then reentering the country for any reason. Since most Chinese immigrants were married men sending their wages home to their wives and children in China. They often left the country to visit their families. The re-entry ban effectively made them choose between supporting their families or having the chance to see them again. Chester a Arthur thought. This legislation went too far so did his correspondence sand. She wrote a congress of ignorance. Schoolboys could not devise more idiotic legislation. It is not only behind the age but opposed to the spirit of American institutions. So Arthur vetoed the bill. On April fourth. Eighteen eighty two. The president acknowledged that an eighteen eighty treaty with China allowed the US to limit Chinese immigration. But he argued that the twenty year ban was a breach of our national faith with China would likely have a negative impact on trade. A few people praised Arthur's bold stand for American principles. The New York Times lauded the president's firmness and wisdom the times didn't represent most Americans views. Congress reworked the Chinese Exclusion Act. They lowered the immigration banned from twenty to ten years but cap the reentry moratorium in place ultimately Arthur cave to public pressure. He signed this barely changed. Version of the Chinese exclusion act on. May Six eighteen eighty two only a few months later. Congress passed the river and Harbor Bill. This pork barrel bill. Purported to Fund Improvement Projects for lighthouses and river navigation systems across the United States but congressman used it to funnel federal money to their own districts. Boosting their chances for reelection and quietly pocketing any extra cash. Arthur saw right through the charade. He vetoed this bill on. August first eighteen. Eighty two this move though improved. His image with the American people made nearly every congressman his enemy. They overturned his veto. Allow a few weeks later. These two failed vetoes CAUSED ARTHUR TO LOSE FACE WITHIN HIS PARTY. His principled stands upset stalwart Republicans. Who wanted him to toe. The Party line stalwarts wanted to protect machine politics and the traditional backroom deals that had given them their power. They argued that the patronage system where Party leaders gave out government positions as rewards to loyal party members worked and though Arthur had been a loyal stalwart republican nearly his entire political career as his presidency wore on. He cited more and more with performers. Like senator George Hunt Pendleton in eighteen. Eighty three Senator Pendleton introduced a civil service reform. Bill Pendleton argued that applicants for government positions should take an exam and only those with the highest score should be hired. He also called for promotions based on merit. The reform bill had its limits. It only applied to about ten percent of federal jobs and Senator Pendleton new this but he reasoned. The fact is patent. The President Garfield Assassin. Couteau wanted an office and did not get it and he believed the president was responsible for his failure. We must supplant this system with the idea that public offices are public trust to be administered solely for the public good president. Arthur saw the merits of this argument. And when he signed the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act on January sixteenth. Eighteen eighty three E. solidified his reputation as reformer but the move left Arthur politically out in the cold. Moderate PRO REFORM REPUBLICANS STILL DIDN'T TRUST HIM AN ANTI REFORM STALWART. Republicans felt he had betrayed them so Arthur decided to make his case directly to the people by late May President. Arthur realized that he badly needed a political win on May twenty fourth. Eighteen eighty three in an effort to galvanized people to his side. He attended the dedication for the recently built. Brooklyn New York bridge glad-handing locals charming the crowd. He was hoping to use the event to shore up support for his presidency. His hopes were dashed days after his tour. Tragedy would strike on Wednesday may thirtieth Memorial Day thousands of citizens toward the new Brooklyn New York Bridge. The Engineering Marvel stretch one thousand five hundred ninety four feet across the East River connecting Manhattan to Brooklyn though the official dedication was six days earlier. American flags still wave from shipping wharves on both sides of the river and houses displayed red white and blue bunting by midday. There are around fifteen thousand people crowding the walkways but only twenty four policemen on hand to direct traffic when a woman pressed on by the crowd fell down a flight of stairs. A stampede of terrified Americans ensued the crush left. Dozens wounded and twelve people dead. The Brooklyn Bridge stampede occurred only six days after president. Arthur had toward the bridge and the tragedy overshadowed the desperately needed political points hoped Garner with his visit Arthur's backers to knew he needed something to bolster his popularity. Because as the presidential election approached President Arthur had few people in his corner in eighteen eighty. Four only a small contingent of loyal friends were willing to put forward. Arthur's name at the upcoming Republican presidential nominating convention. A wealthy ally even offered to bring one hundred thousand dollars to the convention over two point six million today to buy votes for Arthur but Arthur wasn't interested as he explained. I do not want to be nominated. As the result of any political manipulation I wanNA nomination that will reflect the desire of the party or none at all. It seemed that Arthur's transformation from political politician to reformer was complete. Arthur bowed out of the presidential race through inaction on June second eighteen eighty four. Republicans gathered in Chicago. Party leaders would not select current Chester Arthur. He had abandoned anti reform. Stalwart Republicans and moderate Republicans didn't believe his pro-reform attitude was permanent when they debated whom they should nominate in his place. One name floated to the surface former secretary of state and current speaker of the House. James Blaine Blaine also supported civil service. Reform hit supported it. Before Garfield assassination blades name was tainted. He had been involved with one too. Many scandals in his long political career in many Republicans mistrusted him however no other Republican had enough clout to beat blames resume. Voter base and charisma on June. Sixth Blaine received the party's nomination with Senator John Logan as his running mate a large faction of Republicans was dismayed by this decision. A reporter asked New York State Representative Theodore Roosevelt if he would support. Blaine Roosevelt responded. It is a subject. I do not care to talk about rather than vote for Blaine. I will give hearty support any decent Democrat. Most Democrats weren't aware the fractiousness in the Republican Party. They were focused on finding a strong candidate for themselves and their eyes turned to grover Cleveland since eighteen eighty two grover. Cleveland had been serving as governor of New York and serving well. The lawyer turned politician had brought his honesty with him to Albany. Becoming a champion for many key reforms so in early eighteen eighty four. A Few New York politicians had suggested to Cleveland that he could win the Democratic nomination for President. He gruffly replied. Go Away Boys. You're always trying to get me into a scrape. But Cleveland fit the Democrats Bill. He was an honest man with a short and scandal free political career. The Democratic nominating convention opened on July seventh eighteen eighty four in Chicago. In almost every nominating speech politicians reference tariffs the only political issue that distinguish them from the Republicans but one fed up. Cleveland SUPPORTER CRIED OUT TO HELL with tariff tariff. Be Damned. We want to win this fight. We want a man to win it with them on July Eleventh. Democrats found that man. Cleveland won his party's nomination with Thomas Hendricks as his running mate. Cleveland didn't attend the Convention. He got a telephone call. And the governor's office in New York that afternoon as he listened to the news of his nomination. His face brightened by Jove. That is something. Isn't it most Democrats? Were thrilled to back. A reform minded candidate when explaining why the Wisconsin delegation voted for Cleveland. One Democrat said they love him for the enemies he has made others took more disinterested view. They argued that Cleveland won the nomination because he hailed from the most important swing state New York. They predicted that he would make a good president but not being active reformer as one Democrat delegates surmised looking things square in the face. There can be no genuine anti-monopoly victory this year as the campaign got underway Democrat. Cleveland had a reputation for honesty and a unified party in his corner. Republican James Blaine had name recognition and decades of political experience. His however. This presidential campaign wouldn't focus on party platforms candidate qualifications. The fight between Blaine and Cleveland would be personal. It's July twenty first. Eighteen eighty four in Albany. New York Cleveland works in his office fulfilling his duties as governor while Democratic Party leaders run his presidential campaign a few days ago. The governor approved his campaign. Slogan Public Office is a public. Trust this pithy. Statement is a boiled down version of a sentiment. Cleveland has expressed many times. What it's about to be severely tested aide walks into Cleveland's office puts the Buffalo Telegraph newspaper on his desk. What's this you should read it Sir? But I don't think you'll like it. Cleveland Glances at the headline a terrible tale. A dark chapter in public man's history. The pitiful story of Maria HALPIN governor Cleveland Son. Cleveland GOES Pale. What is this? I'm not sure sir. But it's given our friends cause for concern. Cleveland reads the story while his assistant stands nervously by the Governor Groans and shakes his head as he reads the exaggerated version of his relationship with Maria. Helping the article asserts. That Cleveland promised to marry happen. It also claims Cleveland abandoned. The child had health and committed to an insane asylum to further smear his character. The article reports that mayor of Buffalo Cleveland ran a Harem out of his house. Cleveland throws the paper down on his desk. His eight looks sheepish. How should we proceed? Sir? I'm not sure. Let me think on it. This story is just in the Telegraph. So who would believe anything printed in Iraq We've had phone call sir. Yes and the story is also printed in the Boston Journal. And several other newspapers have committed to printing it tomorrow. Cleveland size despair sorted tale printed in a tabloid. That's never supported him as one thing scandal appearing in a reputable source like the Boston Journal is another well Sir we could retaliate. There's a rumor that Blaine only married. His wife point of his father-in-law shotgun the assistant hands. Cleveland a write up the Blaine Story. Cleveland glances at it tears. It up throws the scraps in the fireplace. No we will not prince such a story. The other side can have the monopoly of all the dirt in this campaign of insertion we proceed. Ooh whatever you do tell the truth Cleland. Supporters followed his bald advice. They answered the claims made in the Telegraph Story. An editorial that circulated widely Reverend Kinsey twining wrote. Cleveland was guilty of an illicit connection but the charges brought against him axed the elements of truth in these substantial points. There is no seduction no adultery. No breach of promise. No obligation of marriage still the Maria Halpin scandal would not go away even though Blaine marriage scandal of his own. Republicans pushed the help and story and did their best to use it to tarnish Cleveland's reputation the attacks against Cleveland would be relentless and they would escalate late in the campaign. Republicans would deliver an October surprise but in the end the ploy would backfire and the Republicans would be left defending themselves against the scandal of their own making In the eighteen eighty four contest the platforms of the Republican and Democratic parties. Were toothless afraid to tackle the complex social issues of the day. Both parties try their best not to make waves there. Domestic and international policies were insipid. There is almost no discernible difference between the two platforms except on the issue of Tariffs Republicans. Argued for a high tariff to protect American Workers Democrats wanted to lower tariffs that would protect nascent American industries but not create a budget surplus in Washington. Dc both parties favoured the Chinese exclusion policy and neither acknowledged the rampant racism preventing black Americans from exercising their right to vote. Cleveland and Blaine followed their party. Lines without flinching with no real policy issues to distinction. Both campaigns resorted to mudslinging. Cleveland scandal erupted early but Blaine brought baggage into the election as well eight years. Prior in the eighteen seventy six election Blaine had lost out on the presidential nomination due to an allegation that he accepted a sixty. Four thousand dollar bribe from the Union Pacific Railroad. Blaine had denied it. But James Mulligan. A former employee of blames brother-in-law had letters from Blaine proving the truth of the story anti blame. Republicans known as Mug Lumps Convince Mulligan to publish his letters. In September of eighteen eighty. Four one letter ended with a damning phrase burn burn. Burn this letter. The seemed prove that Blaine really had accepted a bribe all those years ago and had asked his friends to cover for him. Democrats added it. To their catchy. Anti blamed slogan Blaine Blaine the continental liar from the state of Maine. Burn this letter. The campaign got even uglier. The satirical magazine Puck published a series of cartoons that mocked Blaine. One depicted him covered with tattoos of his many political crimes. Readers could clearly see blamed standing nearly naked covered. Words like Mulligan letters corruption and demagogue. Ism another cartoon portrayed Blaine as a magnet attracting incoming scandals but Cleveland wasn't immune from similar barbed attacks. Newspapers published a cartoon that showed him covering his ears as he walked past a crying mother and baby. The baby called out. I want my paw a clear reference to Cleveland's treatment of Maria helping and their baby boy at rallies and political events exultant. Republicans chanted Ma. Ma where's my paw but Cleveland. Supporters had an easier time explaining his actions than Blaine supporters. And so unlikely. When Blaine had to take matters into his own hands in October while Cleveland worked in Albany and allowed party leaders to manage his campaign blame traveled across the United States and made his case directly to the people in one three week period. He made four hundred speeches playing ended his tour in New York City in a critical electoral state. That would likely decide the outcome of the contest. Cleveland was also a native New Yorker and that gave him a clear advantage over Blaine a main outsider to win the State Blaine new. He needed to make a splash. New York City so he leaned on local ministers to help him get his message to their congregations in late October. Eighteen eighty four one of those ministers a Presbyterian. Reverend named Samuel Burchard would speak at a rally on blames behalf but with three simple words he would undo all lanes hard work and turn his campaign on its head. It's October twenty ninth. Eighteen eighty four the fifth avenue. Hotel in Manhattan. A large crowd of religious leaders had gathered in support of Republican nominee. James Blaine who sits at the day as on stage waiting for the rally to begin in the large convention hall. There are hundreds of ministers handful of Catholic priests even rabbi not to mention a large gaggle of reporters among them is a reporter named Frank Mac. A writer for the Associated Press he turns to the man to his left is to Naga for plane. Seems calm and collected. Don't you think confident? Even of course he's confident. Didn't you read the papers earlier in the day? Republicans made a splash in the tabloids. When they published an affidavit Maria Halpin claiming that she was raped by grover Cleveland. That's not real reporting beside. I don't think people care about salacious stories like that blamed. Supporters Disagree Frank. You think it's a coincidence. Happens affidavit surfaces on the same day blame makes a speech in front of this crowd. Well no it's not a coincidence. You hire no argument. There with Halprin's affidavit and the support of these ministers blamed supporters are hoping to deliver Cleveland's candidacy a death blow. Frank cuts his eyes at James. Blaine joins the crowd in a chorus of applause as the presiding officer of the rally. Reverend Samuel Burchard takes opponent after making a short introduction. Burchard folds up his prepared remarks places them in his pocket and turns to address. James Plane Reverend speaks from the heart. We are Republicans. We don't propose to leave our party. We don't identify ourselves with a party. Whose antecedents have been rum Romas and rebellion the hall filled with applause and elation just moments before falls. Deathly quiet frank. Mac can't believe his ears by using the phrase Rum Roman ISM and rebellion. Burchard has made a serious mistake. Rum is a stab. Anyone who doesn't support prohibition Roman ISM is an anti immigrant shot at the democratic. Party's ties to the Roman Catholic Irish immigrant community and it reeks of native. Ism rebellion is an attempt to lay the blame for the civil war at the Democrats feet. It's an antiquated line of attack. The Democrats who supported secession are for the most part no longer in power. The idea that Grover Cleveland a native New Yorker is sympathetic to the confederacy is ridiculous and salting too. Many in the crowd as Burchard tries to continue his words are in golf with chorus of boos and hisses emanating from the hall. We are loyal to our flag and loyal to you as. Burchard speech goes entirely off the rails. Frank Leans over to his inaugural for that. You get that stenographer. Replies with US Mark I did fool James. Blaine had hoped that this gathering of ministers would give his candidacy a last minute. Boost coupled with a bombshell happen after David Blaine had hoped this event would rally the people of New York to his side instead. Word spoken by Reverend Samuel Birch Amir six days before Election Day. Swallowed Blames Candidacy Hall team after Burchard speech. Many men in the crowd looked murderous in his impromptu. Alliteration BURCHARD UNDID. Almost all lanes hard campaign work. His words were seen as bigoted nativist and insensitive to prudence. Very few people applauded as blame. Took the podium. After burchard blamed didn't know what was wrong. He hadn't heard or wasn't paying attention to birds words so he delivered his scripted remarks without distancing himself from Bertrand's offensive comments the official stenographer left before campaign leader could expunge the Reverend's words from the record and a few hours later newspaper editor. Arthur Gorman received copy of Reverend Burchard speech he immediately published it. Noting blames lack of rebuttal. Gorman gloated if anything will elect Cleveland these words we'll do it on November fourth. Eighteen eighty four Americans went to the polls as expected the southern states voted solidly for the Democrat. Cleveland Blaine carried the West and Midwest but the real contest as expected was in New York. Heavy rains pounded the empire state on Election Day. This kept many rural. Republican voters in upstate. New York from traveling to their polling stations city dwellers mostly Democrats had an easier time casting their ballots and when the votes were counted. Cleveland won by a razor-thin margin beating. Blaine by only one thousand forty seven votes but he was enough to give all of. New York's thirty six electoral votes to Cleveland. Cleveland garnered two hundred nineteen electoral votes and the majority of the popular vote. He owed his success to a few key factors. I the election focused on personal background and scandals instead of pertinent political issues. Though the Maria Halpin affair was a large stain on his record. Cleveland was more appealing choice than the scandal. Ridden Blaine the second. The Republican Mug ones who made every effort to discredit blame probably push public opinion towards Cleveland. Lastly Cleveland's own reputation as reformer gave him a boost. People were not just against Blaine. They were voting for Cleveland and his brand of pro reform politics and so elected Cleveland Resolve to bring with him to Washington the best man the Democratic Party had to offer. He would not play favorites or allow favors he told. A confidante henceforth. I must have no friends a march fourth. Eighteen eighty-five grover. Cleveland became the first Democrat to take the oath of office since before the civil war true to his word Cleveland would strive for a transparent administration and were to reduce patronage in the capital but his term in office would be marked by violent social unrest on the next episode of wicked gain. The election of eighteen eighty eight as social unrest rocks the nation and threatens grover Cleveland's chances for a second term. Cleveland faces off against the grandson of former president. Deft campaigner in a rising star in the Republican Party Benjamin Harrison. Don't miss a single week of our marsh from seventeen eighty nine to twenty twenty. Hit the button and your podcast APP now. The show is supported by you our listeners. 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Connect Your Capabilities to Your Aspirations with Blaine Light

Ignition Point

16:42 min | 10 months ago

Connect Your Capabilities to Your Aspirations with Blaine Light

"Welcome to ignition points. The show the tear gas fired up in ready to win the week. If you're looking to buy your mindset with a fresh perspective you're in the right place. Hey what's going on. I'm Stephen Even Miller. And this is a point. It's no secret that since day. One every perspective we've shared on the show has been meant to deliver shock to your system but there are going to be days where you just feel like. You can't keep your head above water when you're in the thick of it. These sparks aren't GonNa be enough to let you up on their own but however hardy gets there's always a way forward word even those struggles can be isolating in stressful. They're always temporary. Sometimes you just need to look your situation through a different lens or go against the grain but you can overcome just about anything to drive this home and give you a leg up. I'm going to be joined by three local leaders of the next few episodes who are going to give you a behind. The scenes is look at how they've grown by confronting the challenges so make sure you're following the show wherever you listen to your favorite podcast to be notified whenever episode drops on today's show. Oh I'm joined by Blaine Light Blaine old friend. Who's the CO founder and Chief Operating Officer of a company based here in Phoenix? That's connecting food service professionals with reliable staffing in real time nine for as long as I've known him blades been on the forefront of developing disruptive technologies that connect like minded people for purpose before he and his team started quick. Rick Blaine led a team of seventy over Uber. That steered Uber's expansion in Phoenix in Las Vegas where they grew revenues in excess of two hundred fifty million dollars in on boarded more than thirty thousand drivers levers but now it quick Blaine overseas recruiting growth in existing markets and expansion into new markets while ensuring the growth and well being of his team which will be serving twenty markets gets around the US by the end of two thousand twenty after finally discovering his place in the Phoenix. Startup community. Over the last few years blades encountered has struggled. It's all too common. Among high achievers figuring out how to achieve big things despite the fact that you may not have all the skills and resources required to achieve them through firsthand experience and continued education. Blaine lanes gained real insight on how to overcome this dilemma. And that's exactly what he's here to share with you today. So let's get after it here to share his perspective on how to connect your capabilities to your aspirations. This is Blaine Light. oftentimes in start ups. We have this big vision in this grand thing that we want to do and the question is how do we get there. I'm reading this really good book. It's called on Grand Strategy and this is where I'm borrowing this main concept from for example applying it to quick the company that we're at now it's food and beverage staffing for bartenders. Servers dishwashers and cooks and our aspiration is to change the future of work so that every professional professional that comes on our platform has the ability to earn when they want. They can pick up extra shifts in their downtime and they had that total freedom and flexibility to ply their skills and so our aspiration could be changing the future of work. We want to empower these people with the skills and if we were totally aspiration we'd say we are going to change the future of work for for every one that's aspirated. We're changing the future of work. The capability is. Let's stay focused here. Let's change the future of work For Food and beverage staffing to start. And let's do it in the United States to start. And how do we build this amazing team in each market that gets to grow. How do we support those people centrally? Well let's build it watch matrix. And let's rank the risk and the reward and we decide from there and so yes. We are changing the future of work. That's that's the aspiration or simultaneously holding all of our capabilities. And saying where do we start. What do we do next? What's our path to success and if companies just have the capabilities and say we're capable of launching this one market? That's not very exciting. If we're just focused on capabilities we don't have a lot of creativity to innovate and pivot and try different things. And if you're only in a capability mindset. You're only doing it. How it's done anybody can come up with? Let's go this way. That's aspirational if everybody is saying let's go this way now. You've got a total mess and no one's rowing in the same direction. So for the people that are listening. It's it's really important to remember. Let's have erection. Let's be in line with the capabilities so when we match respiration capabilities were all rowing in the same direction. Marrone really fast. My First Roy added a big Tech Company. I quickly found out that big corporations weren't for me. But why is that. When I went there I'd show up and I do the same thing? Every day the ability to innovate and change and put my handprint on things and grow something from the ground up was non existent. The number of meetings exceeded the amount of working time and overall it just felt like I couldn't control the work that I wanted to do. The other side of it coming out of that experience I went up to Silicon Valley and did my own startup up or had total freedom. It was a ton of fun. I went to parties where they were. Acrobats were falling from the ceiling because these entrepreneurs VC's were trying to get people to come to events that we're really exciting and it was an awesome atmosphere but in all that freedom came the question. What do we do? And so I'm able to contrast the experience of working at this big corporation to this total freedom of a start up and to be candid. I failed at both from that. I said I want to be part of something that is succeeding. Eating an uber at the time was one of the top hottest startups coming out of Silicon Valley and they needed someone to help launch and Phoenix. And in that experience it was absolutely amazing amazing I got to both innovate and grow and bring my ideas but did so. Within a structure there were goals. There are expectations. There was is a place that we were going to. You want to be able to match your capabilities with your aspirations. Where do we want to go? What do we want to do the startup the capabilities is how do we do it? What is the day to day the corporation and by combining aspirations and the capabilities? You get this amazing experience that I had uber. I noticed that as we were heading towards. IPO profitability was a very important thing to have and the really fun part of being. Such an innovative company was that they empowered individuals to come up with ideas and then Uber gave capabilities to achieve those aspirations. I got to lead up. This large team called spot special projects operations team so both teams seventy people and we aggregate tasks across all of the United States bringing bringing all of these things together into one shop whereas before it was done in different cities so l. a.. was doing it one way. New York was doing another one. They were all these local teams. That were doing it by bringing it it all into one place. We saved tens of millions of dollars. If Uber hadn't been a company like then had been more like the previous company I was it would have been more stifling and would have been more difficult and so I think for me. I found a lot of joy in being able to apply. Exactly what I wanted to do where I wanted to go the expirations with having the resources and the capabilities to do it some whether you're at a corporation or whether you're a startup or you're looking for a startup or doing small business for yourself and the people on your team team always ask yourself one am I am powering. These people by giving them the resources they need while to putting boundaries on so they know what is acceptable acceptable or non-acceptable. For them to do. If you don't do either of those you end up with people that are misguided or they're not self driven but the other side if you don't empower them with the resources and the capability ability to do it now they've got all this ambition nowhere to put it and for you as an individual you have to ask yourself. How do I maintain this freedom and creativity tippety automobile to leave somewhere in order to make something really great? I Co founder Danny Baxter spent eighteen years at HR technology firm and in that time he was what's known as an entrepreneur so he was able to innovate team after team after team. No one gave him permission per se to do do that. He sought his own way within the company and being able to do that was able to add the most value. And if you had that aspirations the way to do it will come forward. You gotta be able to know where you WANNA go said a vision and then get other people around you to do it when I was at Uber. There's a lot of people with really good ideas. And because of the company culture we were able to then implement the things that we were thinking about for example in Phoenix. I wanted to try out. This incentive have for all of the drivers that were out there on the road for Halloween. We ended up spending more money than any other city in the entire United States and and it was a total flop. Did I lose my job. No did I get reprimanded. Not exactly now. I've been in a typical company. Maybe I would have been fired or maybe I would have been on a performance improvement plan. Let's be clear. The goal of a startup company is to succeed. If we make mistakes the goal is to learn from those mistakes and apply them. Learning by doing is one of the best ways to learn but we also learn from others for example if there were other teams that had already done this incentive experiment failed. We could've learned faster. So actively seeking out the knowledge that's there but not using that to limit you from going to making a decision and trying something so for the people that had the privilege of leading a team. Remember you are first and foremost there to protect your team if they make a mistake and I don't want to label it as good or better do something really really well either way. If there's any heat you take it as the leader and if there's any praise you give it to the team and empower those people to match their capabilities and aspirations rations. Being able to blend those two ground ourselves in or building something amazing. And here's how we do it. That's what gets me fired up. Every single day start. UPS are super were exciting by nature and there's days where things go wrong there's updates and their down days. It's important to remember every day that we show up and we believe in what we're building confident and where we're going and we also are watching to make sure that every step that we're taking his in the right direction. I like to take risks. I'm a super extrovert. What's my risk profile? If I'm more of an aspirational type of person. I'm more. Let's go do it. I think it's good for me to lean into that. And if I'm more of the person that's risk-averse kind of stuck in the capabilities here's what we've gotta do and here's how we do it. It's okay for me to start thinking outside the box a little bit and taking a little bit more risk. I've done both. I was totally in the corporate side. And just feeling that stifling environment and then going out to San Francisco and say I'm GonNa go one hundred and eighty degrees as I'm GONNA go out to Silicon Valley I'm GonNa do a startup. Eight Rahman and going to these lavish parties and seeing the the contrast kind of made me realize maybe there's a middle ground here. Maybe it doesn't have to be all structure. Maybe there's something in the middle. I think of a lot of success if you lean in know who you are what you provide know what your weaknesses. Czar know what you need to learn recognize where you are on the risk aversion scale and you're grounded between your capabilities and aspirations first off. I'd like to give a big thank you to blame light for taking time out to contribute to this week. Show he and his team at quaker bringing freedom and flexibility to food service professionals to reliable on demand staffing daffy. So if you're looking for an exciting opportunity in the startup scene and want to join a great team at one of the best places to work you should check out the opportunities over at quick. All of a link to their opportunities is paid for you in this episode. Show notes if you're interested getting back to capabilities and aspirations. I think there's two things you need to keep in mind first and foremost you need to understand that. Blaine isn't telling you to reduce or rain in your aspirations. It's not that they're too audacious or too far outside the realm of possibility rather the moral of the story. Is that after. You know where you WANNA go. Do you need to be a realist about what it's GonNa take to get there. It's about knowing where you are at that present moment in answering questions. Like what do I need to learn. What milestones do I need? Hit what resources do I need to acquire and who do. I need to connect with in order to make these dreams. Come to life by answering those questions. You can reverse engineer near your aspirations. Then you can go down that list and put a checkmark next to all the elements that are within your current capabilities execute against those and then get after the elements that you lack be as detailed as possible and ask for input from your mentors and accountability partners. This is just one example of the many times when you might be looking so closely at something that you're unable to zoom out and see the big picture which brings me to my second point. Blaine mentioned that when you're thinking about your capabilities you need to lean into your strengths and be aware of their weaknesses. You need to know what qualities you bring to the table what you contribute to a team and what value you can add but however will you think you know yourself you'll still have these blind spots for your weaknesses and appropriately named bright spots for your strengths to give credit where credit's due. Bright spots have been discussed off and on by Adam grant and Tasha uric over the last couple of years ears and I can't recommend their speeches and books enough now. There's good news and bad news about blind spots and bright spots the bad news strengths and weaknesses changes you. You grow over time so in a perfect world. You should probably be doing this once every three or five years. The good news is that there is a way uncover them. It's pretty straightforward the best last week free to senior blind spots in your bright spots is by seeing yourself through someone else's eyes what you WanNa do is make a list of about ten to fifteen peers mentors and friends. Who Do you think would be willing to give you the testimonials via email reflecting on these questions? Can you tell me about a time when you saw me at the top of my game at the time. What strengths? Did I demonstrate. And what do you think brought them out. What do you think I should consider as areas for improvement? Once you've gotten feedback from about seventy five percent of them start looking for where those stories as overlap. Eventually you'll start seeing common threads between the testimonials those are the strengths and weaknesses. That others notice about you. These people you surveyed aide practically shining a spotlight on your most impactful strengths. So take note and determine what activates them so you can tap into them apply the more readily. There's a really really good chance you've heard the quote knowledge is power but if you ever really thought about the power that comes from having a deeper knowledge of yourself truly understanding your capabilities and leaning into them is like striking match having a vision for your aspirations is like seeing a bunch of fireworks set up in the distance. You know how incredible it's GonNa look when they go off but they've got to be lit when you connect your capabilities to your aspirations. It's like you're taking that match and igniting. The fuse that leads to those distant fireworks fireworks but without that moment of connection where the fire of your capabilities meets the fuse. That leads to your aspirations. You'll either be standing in place with a match burning away at your fingertips or you'll be staring waiting in wishing for those fireworks to go off so connect your capabilities to your aspirations and you tack on New Capabilities. Continue Learning and expand your network that futile burn faster and faster inching closer and closer to setting those fireworks off until until one day. You'll have made your aspirations your reality again. I'd like to give a big thank you to blame light for coming on this week. Show if you're looking for links to any of the websites or resources mentioned during this episode including where you can learn more about quick. They're all available in this episode. Show notes up at decisively dot com slash. Ignition point. If if you're fired up about raising the bar for your personal brand or you want to develop a comprehensive brand strategy for your business. Let's connect I'd love to find a way to with you so to reach me directly and begin your next leap forward. You just send an email to stephen a decisive leap DOT COM. You can also feel free to email me your feedback and suggestions but if you'd like to help spread the word about ignition point. I'd really appreciate it if you lever review for the show. It's easier than ever in all you have to do is go to rate this podcast dot com slash ignition point and before I sign off if something I said this week really fired you up. Now you can support the show by keeping me caffeinated. Just go online to buy me a coffee dot com slash. Stephen Miller will. That's going to do it for this episode code so stay motivated and keep moving forward. If you put in the hard work right now. One day you could be the one motivating the world with your story. All look forward to speaking with you next time on another ignition point. Now get on out there and win the week.

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BONUS: David Blaine with Rick Rubin

Broken Record

50:16 min | 8 months ago

BONUS: David Blaine with Rick Rubin

"Hey y'all Justin Richmond. Like all of us Rick Rubin has been thinking a lot about fairly early and few people on the planet understand fear in the same way as Rick's good friend. David Blaine David has made a career of pushing his mind and body to the limit with crazy public stunts. Like staying awake for sixty three hours while standing in a block of ice in the middle of Times Square or fast for forty four days while suspended thirty feet in the air and in Plexiglas Cube in London feats that blew my mind growing up so RIPTA. David might be a great person for you to hear from about facing fear. Obviously this conversation isn't about music but it does touch on one of Rick's other great loves magic. When he was a kid studied magic and since then Magic's become so much more than just slide of hand for him. He's idea pulling something out of nothing in his music making so make sense that he would turn to one of the best living magicians for words of wisdom in this conversation. David Blaine runs through his most legendary public stunts and explains in excruciating detail. What he went through physically and emotionally at each step. He also explains his relatively simple formula for getting through physical and psychological stress. The secret it turns out that we can all handle a lot more than we think. This is broken record liner notes for the Digital Age. I'm Justin Richmond. Here's Rick Rubin and David Blaine who connected recently on zoom. The the reason that I wanted to talk to you is. I'm feeling a collective fear in the air. I feel like I feel like I'm not feeling my fear. So much is. I'm feeling everybody's fear is a cloud of fear. Emir started thinking about different times in my life. Been afraid of something or people. I know who have insights into fear and I remember when I was learning to spend time in the ice in an ice bath that the longest I could ever stay in was a few minutes until I did it with you when I did it with you. Your perspective on it. Open my mind and helped me deal with the fear of staying longer in You. Talk me through it and in that experience If opened me up to conquer fear so I wanNA talk to you. In general about the idea of conquering sears. Sound good it's great. What's said tell me a little bit about your relationship to fear. Well you know I am. I mean I guess my. My outlook on everything was already. My mother conferences kid but when she was really sick when she was dying instead of focusing on the difficult ardor sad angel art. She looked at the beauty in everything so she didn't focus on herself and complained so she she made death very poetic very beautiful which I think is like one of the best gifts. Give to your kid. Just that immediately made me NA afraid of the unknown which is that but as far as I was always pushing my body to do things that were like goal and probably dangerous since I was five years old. And here's the symbol formula for it. Simple formula is just. Don't just jump into the unknown. You go step by step by step by step slowly so if you go like if I was to hold my breath for twenty minutes. I'd be afraid that it's GonNa have cardiac arrest. I'll be debt but you don't start like that circe. Why did three and a half minutes kid? There's people that are free. Divers have done this amount of time. Let me train the best people. Let me slowly build a resistance or tolerance and understand the pain that I'm going to go through so I could process it. And fight it. So my outlook corona and obviously. I'm not a doctor. King gives advice spot the way I look at it. Is You have to do the things that you know our best so cleaner Diana. You don't eat products. That create mucus like dairy processors or breads or things like that. You have ginger garlic you outs. You know. Sixteen ounces of water before every anything that you drink you keep yourself hydrated so you do all the things you can really be ready for the fight because fear like let's say you're an has manic which. I was kiss and have a smaller than average lung capacity. It's scary thing. I'm a coronas. Couldn't give me it pneumonia types. You know in my lungs could shut down so what I WANNA do is if I was a smoker which I'm not I wouldn't talk cigarettes because why do anything. They can make the virus that much more effective in its path to destroy. So that's number one number two. Is He follow all the rules? Don't go near people is much as you can buy will void contact other than the people that you're warranting. Obviously in for me the other thing that I really like about which is I would say if you also studied in point of view is and I'm not saying that this is right or wrong such as my perspective. But the reason we don't want the virus spread is quickly as it's spreading. Because you don't know you have symptoms you. You're not aware of it. You don't feel anything often and you're very contagious right so you don't want to spread everywhere that we couldn't fight it. It's just the wrong. Want a hospitals to suddenly become flooded. Which is what's happening in then. Everybody's losing hospital beds. The respirators in its shutdown. So not that you want to fear the virus you WanNa do the right precautions to protect not even just yourself everybody around you so I think knowledge is basically the best way to overcome fear now as a kid my mother the only furiously Dave is when she saw not approaches because of robots at Rice but when he saw like spiders or something buddy how so I was always afraid of Little bugs not outgrow spies. Afraid of every other little so magician. Friends would come over. We'd be brainstorm magic and like I see a bug jokic right and I wasn't so to get over that fear I would have people come over. Boggs insects spiders talk. You know everything and I play with them. That's temporarily getting over it. So Affleck happened and I really over my last year which have been set certain insects so I took my brother too but sauna and He's the most afraid of every big kiss. Teach them how to get over that but anyway we go to Africa and we're in these little camps and with the guy who died. Who's he was the lion man? He goes out with the lines. They actually looks like a lion and he brings a roll of toilet paper. No weapons of calls out wildlife attack him. You can see it on Youtube. He would throw the toilet paper like fake. Though in the lines that jumped this guy grew up in the bush with the lions so he and hippos he would scare that is presence was unbelievable but anyway so that night after we went out with alliance and crossed out with them and she plays with the you know down while they're eating zebras. Really unbelievable but that night. I went to bed and I gave my brother a ice fishing day that I had some really serious high-tech which I shouldn't have done. So he hears something walking around his and then nighttime really mostly around his and I just assume it's elephant island but my brother looks through way and it's a hippo just circling against any. Here's the hippos deadly animals and that they'll just shop in half so I'm brother doesn't sleep the whole day since looking to this thing and boat was so what happened with me is bombing this ten. I'm being careful because even if it's an Alpha more you don't WanNa get anything in this little town low and I put my on my phone light on and I look up. And there's thousands of bugs all over the top of my tat. I'm like okay. We're in this together and I realized that those insects or my friends Jokic and from that move without insects. Sometimes it is just like a flute thing often. I think it's like you know the process. Trying to understand the information to get over arch and to learn until accelerate. So it's like and I also look at things as a challenge so like even with my daughter when she takes shower in the morning we use. I would tell her okay. Let's crank up the coal. Just want her. So when when over friends won't go in the ocean because the oceans older family she goes right in and it's just the mindset of like I can overcome this you know so it's and and that translates across the board so whether you're running as hard as you can are holding your brother you know I it standing up in one place for seventy three hours things like that. You have endorsed slowly build a tolerance at an understanding of what you're really doing. The research study with a smartest people that you can. And and that's the best way the you know. I think so to work on facing the fear in the most diligent efficient by. How'd you deal with the When you're in it I'll give you an example one time I was Bodysurfing in Venice with a mutual friend of ours and the waves getting big and it seemed normal at first and then the ways we're getting bigger and bigger and it was a pretty big day to begin with Benway's get bigger and we're out next. Look here the waves started crashing over the pier. Really big and I remember our friend look at me and saying you know Mike. This be in trouble. And that was the last thing he said and then he was gone. And then I'm sort of in the drop zone and just waves are crashing on me and came really close to ground and and I remember thinking I know the worst thing I can do is panic so I know panic. Panic will only hurt in this situation. But when you're being held underwater by waves will come for breath in a wave crashes you even if there's a conversation that goes on between. I know I'm not supposed to panic. This isn't going to help me. And the other voices. There's no where where Anneke hard to control. I think you know know number. One Rule of the twenty one laws of the Samrai's accept everything. Exactly the way it is and I think even in the worst situation we panic and go crazy and let it you. Won't you won't win that battle so you kind of have to accept what the situation is. And then in a very careful and clever way Dr outmanoeuvring but without fighting it. Because you're never going to beat the Osa you know so so you have to kind of smooth into it and have the faith that you can be on there for a little more than you think you can relax. Go go with a little bit. Which is the only option. Have you ever had that? Come up like in the midst of a challenge. Have you come up of what do I do now? Every time I'm holding my breath for a really long breadth hold. My heart gets really weird. Does these strange things. And that makes you get more focused on the heart and it doesn't help so I've learned over the years even when pushing to the extreme. You're just accept it in and go with it so you know that that that's the best thing that I've learned went on pushing to those extreme places it gets a little out of control. Let's talk about each one of the things that you've done and then in each case must moments though you know so when I did the first thought was buried alive. It was deny- dive free of the chance through and colluded bill collusion. We can go to central park. Bury yourself you'll sneak out and then come back month later as let's the point that I find it that I'm going to really do it. And instead of doing it under dirt like the curious. Obstinacy A see-through boxer. They're thinking like you know I've seen my mom lane of bed. Not Moving for a very long period of time I can at least slaying little coffin for a week and I was right and I'd also rented. Artha side fasted as a kid I had done. You know those things so understood. The that's all doable. So I- fast and for a week before buried alive just to clean everything out. Because I knew I wasn't able to go to the bathroom. Are the number two in the whole thing and I put a coffin. Him Bills Living Room. Bribe'S I was sleeping in his room by Miss Kitchen at the time. I put a coffin in his living room. That I got in Queens and I started practicing. Just sleep in the coffin was again. This isn't so hard and I would stay there for a couple of days and I learned Tennesseans one of those little bag but I did the whole process and I was clean systems. Clean ready to go stunts about this study about to start and I was clean water bill that type of thinking. It doesn't make sense to him so he's like here. Have this gives me a drink? That was called a mango Mama. So I don't know why I listened. take this bill. I don't think so. He's like a P it out because I had fucker. Stupi side drink mango ball and I do my first thing stuck. I get buried alive in the middle of New York City. See through the whole thing and no way out for a week right away like eight hours later. I'm like Ono and I have to go to the bathroom but a number two and Rick Zero. Week I had the whole it was the warriors. Anyway you know starts I do miss you know and it was difficult but that were getting used to it things that you don't think about like how am I gonNa do a number one. There's people staring at me the whole time. Day and night became really crowded. So it's it's like when people are looking at you around the clock and the P it's difficult you don't think about those things in your practicing in the coffin by herself so what I would have to do beginning as I would close my eyes and I would just pretend I was in front of the bathroom. Take me like an how I'd be able to do the number one again. No number two the whole time but then eventually by like they three I'd be waving and smiling like no but so no but southern buried alive. That's done I did it and I always look at it. I can do that like nothing. Easy tomorrow so okay. So the next stunt was the block of ice training for that get in ice mass all the time the idea for it first of all After buried alive I was like on an airplane. Like coming back with somewhere really nice and I just started thinking about an insect In a in a piece of Amber Mike how cool that look old thing and I was like maybe I could do something like that or like a big piece of ice in and put in the middle of new. York's I look frozen in a block of ice obviously would be cut around me two pieces so step one was. I went to an ice locker and just got in the ice soccer to see how much I could endure. Which is a nightmare whereas down quickly stent to was adult in ice igloo. I just blocks of ice together like regular ice car together and it's like oh. This isn't so bad because the ice is against you but it's enough away that it's actually like an Igloo Fax. He could handle it when I did the real block of ice. I got the ice them in iceberg in Alaska so it was frozen and cold temperatures. So it's really see through. Did that block of ice when we brought it in. There's a couple of things I hadn't thought you know those unknown things that you don't think about number one it keeps tripping on over and over which is kind of a weird form of just drives you out of your mind number two. You can't fall asleep because if we lean into the ice get frostbite in. Come off that part of your face. Whatever it is number three standing up for that entire duration sixty three hours. I practiced it leaning and stuff like that but now that I'm in the only thing that was to my vantage was it was November. Twenty seven November twenty nine thousand and it was a warm Novembers so the air that was coming through you know sixty eight degrees which created the drop it. It also really kept it. Not so bad. Foresee Isis radiate. Now be worst part of it that I could have never thought about it. At that time was sleep deprivation plus torture meaning standing up the entire time. Nothing to lean on the ice radiating the cold against you in Hallucinatory State. Because you're trying to sleek 'cause their body knows the bill immune system functioning need the sleep but you can't go to sleep because you know if you go to sleep it's GonNa be really bad so while you're in the situation. I can stay awake right now for five days if I had a few people helping in that situation. Berry Berry fiscal. What happens is your brain touches into your worst fears so your brain goes into whatever your most afraid of and it puts that all over you started seeing spiders crawling all over my body and all these weird things because your brain is trying to trick the other part of your will trying to stay awake to make you go to sleep and when you don't go to sleep start having dreams and nightmares but your eyes are completely oak. So my eyes were wide open and I was having this insane. Hallucinogenic dream light wallow break state but not knowing if it was a dream or if it was fake and your brain is slipping away and the only thing that you get you along. I think is I had support from a couple of people that I loved and trusted. And they're like you're gonNA be okay and it was enough for me to think that maybe they were right when the guy started cutting through the ices the chase. I tried to grab the chainsaw. I know I didn't know what it was. And you know that one because of the sleep that race always say. I would never ever do that again. Ever by the way little things that go wrong as you have a catheter. Which truckers to which is like a condom with us to coming off of it one of the PA's working on the stunt didn't know what he was vacuuming underneath the water thing and he hits that hose and like. Oh you know but it in your brain is already on a so. It's like exaggerated bid. I'll give you one example of what happened so you know. It was twenty four seven in Tom. Scores of people. I mean three days but people could continuously come tonight and somebody was in front of the crowd but one of the people you lock onto you feel comfortable one of the people asking by one time. It was like you know it was day three last day. It was supposed to end around ten o'clock or something like that as like. What time is it and he said went. I think it was like around four four something so he went four five some four means. I have a six hours. I think I can do this so I wait for as long like I wait for hours because I don't want to ask that question again. After waiting for hours I look at somebody and I go. What time is it? And it's the same guy and I didn't even realize that and he goes for six of my bought. You know the native American Indian a lot of people use sleep deprivation but in a controlled environment to go to that hallucinogenic green lights stay and it is incredible because there is a part of it. That's like one of my favorite journeys of ever take not recommended anybody effort but there is a part of it. It's like wow you know we we able to explain what you were seeing. Feeling everything voices talking to through people appearing in the ice everything that you can imagine that you're dreaming up just the and everything goes through your mind your body. And it's it's hyper real is it's like having dreams for your weight and nightmares you. Do you have cameras on you? The whole time. Yeah yeah the whole time. Have you ever gone down and yeah I'm just look at it? It's scary miser? Like really really really scary. Scary footage wondering how much of your perception was. What was actually happening. Do you know what I'm saying like are do things that you imagine that happened. That didn't know Russel's yeah for sure. But but like lots of people like Mike my brother and my best friend Josie people that were there. Were looking at me and they they. They knew that this was this was not make. It was pretty scary bought at the same time when I reflect back. I would never do that one again. But there's something about that was like one of the most incredible and scary but beautiful states that I've never been we'll be right back with more of Rick's conversation with David Blaine. Hey these crazy times. We're in parents are stuck inside trying to work. Kids are stuck inside with us. 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You use the fan to create wind to blow the car and move the car forward right awesome and do. Do you want more toys like that right from the Horse's mouth. Do your part to encourage your children to be innovative and creative thinkers. They won't believe what they can build an accomplished with key Rico. And when they're finished watch their confidence be as big as their small. Kiwi Co is redefining. Play with hands on projects that build confidence creativity and critical thinking skills. There's something for every kid or kid at heart. Kiko get your first month free on. Select Crates Kiko Dot com slash broken record. That's K- I W I C O dot slash broken record. We're back with Rick Rubin and David Blaine. So what was the one after ice? Abbott is was two thousand O Vertigo when I stood on the pillar two thousand two Brian Car. Which once again you know we had these things to handle things that would come up and I was able to. Wasn't that off that one. I still started to hallucinate. Just because I I think standing up in one place for a long time plus the stress of the body not sleeping all that stuff. You were really high. Probably like ninety feet. I wanted it to be a hundred and then I trained to jump. Which was my favorite art. Ever jumping on hundred foot cardboard boxes which not into an air bank which was my favorite part. I trained and was so specific and knew I was gonNA jump off in exactly Amar but because I had a mike on and they opened us. I couldn't tell everybody stopped with adding these boxes and they all got freaked out because I the buildings behind me when I look because I was the loosening. They started to look like animal heads. I would see like a lion and I was like wow. I didn't know those buildings shape blank lines. And they'd be like their fathers and the other to jump into the box made this huge thing anyway so that kind of upset but the other one upset me was on the ground the live. I WANT. I said no matter. What if I don't get to the record guy's not hold me out period because I want to go through the records and it like cracked me start black about the blackout and one of my best friends in the front and heels? Get Him because he was so freaked out so they jumped in me out before I got like the number is the number is what's important on all the stunts. The numbers are so important. And that's part of it also is used numbers use numbers to get there like element equate this to do. I'm going to get to halfway halfway. I'm going to go backwards and I have this much this much of an eight and you start working backwards by numbers and it really helps. Even when I'm running Mike Training from running around the loop central park you know the six point two miles is but what I do is i. Count the steps of Mike Okay. It's actually forty. Four hundred feet. Steps are campus steps to get around and keep going is there. It's a numbers seeking halfway. Start become against that. That's another thing that helps me. Get focused is numbers yet. Really interesting numbers. I have a technique that I'll I'll share with To to prolong things and I find that it. It works in You can do it with when you're exercising but I also use it. When I'm in Ice Stub let's say I can do. Forty slow breaths when I'm in the ice at forty slow breath is like on a typical day. Maybe five between five and six minutes and If you change the way you count instead of counting every breath is now I now I use the number one for each of the first four. Brett's admit I use the number two yup for the next four Brett's yes yup ends great and after you've done it for a while getting to the number forty and if you don't allow yourself to do math which is a real key to it. You can't learn how yourself to figure out what no what did he will. But something about keeping the numbers lower. Even though you're doing it longer in your mind yup you haven't been in that law. Your there's part of You. The brain part of it doesn't kick in of feeling like you're getting towards the end so it's good. It's a good technique. And if you really think about like even when we pushed it out at the highest level where only pushing like forty percent so you really Max out your like sixty percent hypothetic estimated numbers but the the Max out would be your brain Rice out which nobody ever gets to what I'm saying. So if you can trick your brain you can override your body and feel the pain of wanting to quit or shutdown by fooling yourself. That's exactly you don't you don't. You're not as the wear of authorities so soon it takes away one of every. That's Rick I do everything everything and by the way the only other thing that I add to it as I never stop at the mark I always have to go at least one over always because you train yourself to never quit before. He gets the goal of a lot of friends. They'll run my. Oh let's run a five K and stop it. Three miles on my. He just had to go that little extra big. You got it and then go more. Because I'm going to have to do the real task. You have that in your mind like I'm not gonNA quit so not just pass it. So it's a numbers game okay. So now we're up to be so you've done the pillar and you say it's easy but still standing on your feet. For how many hours was it? That was only thirty six hours. You're standing ninety feet in the air. So there's the frame for that output. A flowerpot lived on the sixteenth floor of a building in New York. I put a flower pot in a little corner of the roofing to stand there all the time to stare down scientists. Let's say you had to do this. You had to stand up on a book. What's the big deal? If the stand up on a book for you can do it right. So just wish. That book is up one hundred feet. It changes your brain but really if you're committed now cabinet stand on the platform for thirty six hours. You're just you're just committing to it. So you have to override the brain's impulses and you know this is too much it just got it fixed scientists. I'm built on that one up so we are just stand on flowerpots. Luke's by the way folks on time. The Flower Shabbir. On the top of that was earns. What's after the killer as two thousand to two thousand three? I went to London in forty four days in a box that that one once again. I I'd probably pushed it a little too much but once you get over that point once you get where you lose all ten tation all sense you know everything that all of your dote means or Dorf. Everything goes away. And you're just on the service steady serotonin level wherever you start to see colors. You've never imagined the blue you cry from your ceiling. Wow when you see somebody smile just a stranger both cry. It's the connective state. Where where you have no. If you enter the spiritual you complete lead the flesh behind and that. That is a yeah. That's that's an experience at one of the most important other than everything related to my book. That's one of the most important experience my life is attributed to the fact that you weren't in other ones we're talking about is you're more uncomfortable is more of a sense of aid is the forty four days was more distant operation than a discomfort. I think that right I mean he starts to feel pain. The basically if you read any book about extended fasting Kinda hits notes like it about a month or twenty eight days you really do start to have the sweet taste in your mouth so I was drinking water the whole time but around dates twenty eight. I started questioning harmony and everybody there is like bill. I was like I would pour the water because at a tube and it was periods through also is like no minerals. No nothing I would have to combat at our drinking. I think like the people that supported this London Channel Four. I was thinking state. They must want this to keep going. So they're spiking my water glucose. You know I've tasted side may harmony bang bill by brother. Pour the water down to my say tasteless right now. There's sugar in. It accord the drink a mouse and. I think that they were all in August. I get like a random stranger. Let's bring him all the way up former water bowed asset. Macao water so old. The the guidebook things of what happens during the fast really did actually happen. Exact the information I had on how long I could do it for. Came from a physiologist at NASA. So he was you know they want to protect the astronauts so they do all the due-diligence all the research they look into the terrible records World War. Two things that most people wouldn't go into morally. It's our ethically so so he would really just to save actions. I say okay. How long can human actually go without food along with just water and they had really accurate. Specific notes of what could be tolerated. It pretty much worked out exactly as I soon. And what was it? The most difficult parts to that so many amazing things have been at the say. If I was doing that fast by myself it would have been impossible. Which is why. Put IT IN PUBLIC. So public all sides visible. I knew I would just have to do it. There's no cheating because you're you're exposed as a guest but if I was trying to buy myself forget the only real difficulties is little things that you don't think about like after that amount of time we've noted Fast Greenbelt my system your body's processing I held held there was barely but I help but number two in for the entire time. Obviously most of sweat through your breath and all that stuff in any you. Override it and you don't have to go over again at that race and then the only other real real difficulty I think was busy. Started become really weak. Your you know your body goes into this sort of you very stable very minimalistic and all that stuff. But your heart's moving differently is I guess from you. Know you're you're you're eating. Start to your organs. Bone mass index decrease thirty. Three saw. What happened is you know the Londoners not belonging to the media start to make this ordered forty four days this stories people would like fly like toy helicopters with cheeseburgers on Bevin bomb People would like in the middle of the night like shoot paint balls at the box and it was really cool looking like this color months by. It was like that noise. 'cause you don't think about that way. Echoes Wake up the slack. And it's but that's not the difficult part difficult part is I think around day thirty seven when I started to get. The heart started to feel like it was going to. It wasn't right right. 'cause it's decrease in size by a third or whatever it is that laws and we have those records. Afterwards I went to the house. We had the New England Journal. Medicine Oxford generally studied stuff. I gave the results in science just because most people that do these things like striking or hunger strikes but anyway so around that time around eight thirty seven thirty eight. A heart starts going. It starts getting really really difficult because you think that you're going to collapse. You know you get dizzy everything you do. Any movement and my mother passed away when I was young but Foresee died. She said to me God is love at that was the last war is that she said when she died in my arms was like I said most difficult must beautiful basically giving me but so it around that exact time I was like I said I had said mom. If you think I should keep going give me a sign. Our Bridge was in front of me over there. These could start young. David David I see them right when I said that I'm saying that exact moment in they have a rolled up wife thing right and they open it up and they start walking down towards me when they get closely they keep open up. They open all the way they're holding it like three of them. I think and it says God is love. It's like wow a third crying of it so then I and then you know. Those kind of signs is simple Winston whatever it is bass enough to keep going or if it or if the energies out they are in in you know energy is never goes something she put out there. That just happened to connect at the right moment. You know those types of things so I kept going push the endings you know like. I said it was the in. So it's like when you get the chance in the vertigo ahead at two in the box when you get the chance to just really watch the sun. Go up over the sky. Watch it a hallway up watching a whole way down and all the way around. Watch the river go up and down. It's amazing that we never get to do them. Real life administers is done with the stunt. I was in the hospital recovering. Somebody sent me a box of Harrods food. I shouldn't have be in for a couple of weeks. That's the most dangerous part it's the repeating syndrome. Which is the paper that we published was about. That is soon as the doctor who thought I was also cheating by the way and Bill wanted me to take glucose vitamins but children said no bill and I was. Right is my body's victims of starvation mode so it was in the metabolic rate change to protect but anyway so as soon as I started that like taking from the box taking the Chris Eating. You know the Bagels as soon as you do that. Animal State Returns. Everything changes then. It's like you're not a spiritual art of this music. Art Fades away very fast. So you go from like this this state of like pure war. There's no body. There's nothing the colors. The win the sky song the herbs in back into the you know the the normal world so it is something that I wish everybody could experience some is it is it and I think that's why those yogis amongst by do those long fast because they find that place for Serotonin is writing. They're brain levels known Barkan. Snow doke means a solid steady. Say and you and you find something that you could never. You could never imagine or explain what was after the after the glass box Two thousand three after that was the dust that drowned alive. The water thing. That was my favorite by far. Just the favourite across the board. I started holding my breath when I was five years old. I was on the swim team at my feet. Turn Band Single Mother Brooklyn. Ymca all the kids beating Mesa instead. Assuming like normal like them because I would just swim straight and I suddenly. I'm able to keep up because I'm not breathing and I start going back and forth and I start really. Wow could do coaches. I don't do that as I can. I can do it and I and I did do it. And then the older kids would come to see me lap. Sit Out breathing. Alice in then they would compete against me so go underwater and beat them all the older older kids side. Say listen you can go up and down as many times as the wrong. I'll stay under the whole time so I was able to while they went up and down as able to last like six of bears but they didn't know take enough going up and down and doing that. It's not as efficient sustained right. Which is what I was doing. So the breath all began bear in then I loved it and then I discovered Houdini at that age as well as readings underwater king yet a record three and a half minutes so young teen. I was able to do three and a half minutes. No problem I I'd get out of the pool blackout by the way didn't know that that's what was going on in then. Had the idea of putting a sphere shaped declaring in the middle of Lincoln Center and just living there like a human aquariums. I've been but like is a is like A. Yeah just Melania and seeing long stay so what was the longest that somebody was submerged underwater continuously with seven days? I spoke to a guy that had the record that lived under lake and he gave me all tips and thanks EXC state under five days. He's like here's what we need to do. So I kind of listen. Gyms studied what we were saying and then just did. It didn't anticipate what would happen to the hands and feet that you know. It's pretty. Pain is pretty intense because All the oils protect you leave. And then you know. The wrinkled extraordinarily beyond anything conceivable NASA and the pain that cost. Wipe it with them. Being Bat wrinkled just from expansion let stuff is crazy drinking liquids through to you know. Stay there seven. Oh another thing. You didn't anticipate son. That's fear like a magnifying glass. Big piece of glass fill water son's going to it actually burned the whole metal walkway hind out. So I I was in there for a week. My back was burnt but like not just burnt like read. I mean like like burnt burnt burnt and it stayed like that for like seven months or some you know just like it was in the pain assistant saying that. You don't think about those things and your water. So China negates it on some level until after with where did where did you end up with the bristled While I did actually with oxygenated twenty minutes and two seconds into straight breath holding I have gotten up to seven. Forty seven record was nine eight again. The guy had a huge advantage or may not the matters but he was very skinny. Very Tall. Tom. You know in in in his lung capacity total lung capacity was almost apple. Who was pretty extraordinary sunny. That's that doesn't matter but anyway I thought somehow what I saw was by living in the sphere. Just lie decided to do the scare before by Living. There would acclimate become condition. But also I thought that ice by not eating for that amount of time metabolic rate would slow down and suddenly be able to hold my breath much longer. That's what I was hoping for but it does doesn't really why started cracking stuff away so it doesn't really work like that. Then I went back trained. The Bureaucracy Jin hypothetical record at that time was ten minutes. No real visuals on its. I started training to static apnea breath holding oxygen. So I got my first. Try and add a bunch of friends. There that word up nor basketball surging doctors owners when they saw that I was under for fifteen minutes. Nothing they pulled me out because in their mind is like the body candidate order that that's not also and I was like. Why did you do that? Spine in came in with pulmonary expert with telemetry and everything attached. I had done a twenty minute and two seconds breath. Hold before the Oprah One which seventy four twenty minutes in to second breath heart rate dropped it a beats per minute and they've never seen that and so they pulled me out once again. I was like why he do that. They were like 'cause you're about to go into cardiac Cardiac DEBT I was like perfectly fine. The body does things it adjusted adapts. And I don't know if there's something to just accepting the situation riding through the Alps but it was. It was pretty amazing so when I had to do the world record which Tom Z. Posted right before I mean he went on Regis killing it to sixteen thirty two from hypothetical. Thirteenth Nasdaq okay. Got Analysis so I got twenty so I felt like when I do override. Be Okay getting to the seventeen sixteen thirty two in Longworth fold. What is what are the phases of what's going on mentally you want to? Ideally it silly but you WanNa keep your eyes closed. You WanNA do your your brain takes a lot of energy so you WanNa Kinda minimize on everything just to preserve. Oh to want to shut everything down as much as possible that I do is I just I. I used to be Al Bank of names visit. All different places absorbs drift onto the ocean going into the abyss of the oceans. Kind of go all over them when so when I did it on stage and stuff like that much show. I didn't do that move. I go upside down but going down. I realized this Dini's through it upside down and I realized why I think he was doing this. Because if you think about the way mammals that are underwater creatures. They big breath in. They died this way. So if you think about it when you're upside down at first. Your lungs aren't forcing the air out there forcing it's that physician is going into lung so it's like. Ibm upside down in is a much easier position. Hold your breath. The only getting their takes energy even getting out of it. When I'm upside down in the water tank I kinda relaxed on the skirt asleep. Knock go to sleep. I mean go to that place just didn't make sense. So what was the last one will after that? When I got really cocky and Mike trainer working on it's like can never do a stunt that you'd have to prepare for you need to do it and understand what you're doing. I did this upside down thing and I figured I'd done like six hours of Sagawa's thing I can do sixty hours upside down to six hours. I've been dry upside down for. I like you know nightmare among side down anyway that that was a disaster of disaster. Shut down for a long time. Did stop national that with the electricity whereas in a Tesla Coil. Seventy three hour standing up which was really hard as expansion of the ankles start for risk through the metal chain mail. Faraday seat I was wearing and you know one time and I had electric water. Our strength spitted out the ARK it. The water went for Lasted from my heart. And even I think I'd burn marks on my toes so that that was a really really difficult one in the last one I did at my daughter was born like not doing anything anymore. Like this done so I just went back to the magic stuff. Thought something I've been working on. It's been that has been so fun. Can Amazing Right now. I'LL REC- we're just working out dreaming about playing with it. Thank you but there is one that I love this. The opposite it's not about you know survive on it. It's more about the opposite. End the best more about our tree and beauty and things like that. Hopefully they still even in the shows that I've seen I've seen you do stuff. We still end up being in a tank water for a really long time right. Well Yeah I mean I. Can't I love those things I love and to me? How's that magic me? That's the real magic to me. It's like the bodies capable doomed things that we can't even imagine that the body was standard. Do that's magic. A human can go without air for twenty minutes and two seconds are now the records twenty four minutes three seconds. That's magic as the body. Do that any of the things that you've done Just think about any techniques or anything that you've learned that are helpful in terms of people who were facing struggle. I think rule number one is accept everything just the way it is so as well number one and then try everything in your power to understand and to solve for what the best possible approach to fixing the situations. I think a lot of it starts with like correcting little things that you can manage. Ourself Beautiful Ben. Thank you for telling me stories. Thank you thanks again. David Blaine for jumping on Zoom Polish. Rick gave his latest special the magic way aired on ABC earlier this month check on ABC DOT COM for details. Broken record is producing help from Jason Gambro meal about Lia Rose Matt Loboda Martine Gonzales pushing industry. I think he's expecting beats. I'm just in Richmond. Thanks for listening.

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chilblain

Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day

01:45 min | 1 year ago

chilblain

"The Merriam Webster's word of the day four November sixth. Today's word is chill Blaine gene spelled. C. H. I L B L. I N chill. Blaine is a noun that means an inflammatory swelling or sore caused by exposure. Sure as of the feet or hands too cold. Here's the word used in a sentence from Emma. By Jane Austen Mrs Goddard's school was in high repute. She had an ample house and garden. Gave the children. Plenty of wholesome food. Let them run about a great deal in the summer and in winter dressed their chill blane's with her own Hams Hams given that chill blades are caused by exposure to cold conditions. It may not surprise you to know that the first element of this word comes comes from the Noun. Chill C. H.. I L. The second element. Blaine may be less familiar though the word Blaine meaning and inflammatory swelling or sore or is still used by English speakers. Both elements of chill Blaine have Anglo Saxon roots. Chill comes from the old English word. Sheila meaning frosted oster chill which is taken from child an old English ancestor of the modern word. Cold Blaine comes from the old English word blog and and The same meaning as Blaine. These two words were first brought together as the compound. Chill Blaine in the fifteen. Hundreds with your word of the day I'm Peter Sokolski visit Merriam Webster Dot com today for definitions wordplay and trending look

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1880, Hancock vs. Garfield: Maelstrom

American Elections: Wicked Game

47:08 min | 9 months ago

1880, Hancock vs. Garfield: Maelstrom

"It's April eighteen sixty six on Capitol Hill in Washington. The House is locked in an intense debate over a bill to establish the post civil war military after hours of Jabs and spars one thirty six year old Republican congressman from UTICA. New York takes the floor. Standing over six feet tall roscoe conquering rises to his feet. His booming voice filling the chamber. I moved to strike out. Section Twenty of the bill section twenty provides for the salary of the provost marshal the head of recruitment for the army. The war's over conquering feels. It's an unnecessary position. Also helped by a man. He despises General James Frye. This section creates an unnecessary office for an undeserving public servant. It fastens an incubus upon the country. General Fry presides over Dan of thieves who victimized the public through blatant deception but many in the chamber disagree with conch links assessment including a young Republican from Maine named James G. Blaine Blaine has no love for conquering the to have repeatedly sparred on the House floor over a myriad of issues at a recent dinner party. They even exchanged some less than polite words. General FRY is a man blamed supports one. He considers honorable so this attack from conkland leaves the congressman from Maine Fuming. What happened to the millions of dollars? That mysteriously went missing during the war. Answer that question. One need look no further than the office of General Fry. Conquering is a rising star. Well on his way to becoming the de facto boss of New York politics. He's not the sort of man to be crossed lightly but on this day in April of eighteen. Sixty six for James. Blaine enough is enough as conquering returns was seated in the gallery. Blaine takes the floor when I hear the gentlemen from New York Rehearse in this house his argument against General Fry. My personal indignation carries me beyond my personal strength. Playing can barely contain his rage has he? Attacks conflicts motion. The gentleman from New York and General Fry had many disputes over the years in these corals it is generally understood that the gentleman frequently came out second best. There is a personal issue that does not belong on the floor of the house where general fry has no recourse to defend himself unwilling to back down. Conquering seeks recognition and takes back the floor. Mr Speaker I mean to take advantage of the absence of general on the contrary I'm ready to avow would have said anywhere. I am responsible not only here but elsewhere for what I've set the Chamber Fall Silent Conquering Venturing into dangerous territory. You suggesting that if Blaine doesn't back down you will challenge him to a duel. The false report given by the gentleman from Maine should have no bearing on my motion. Blaine is still furious. He calls out from the chamber. What does the gentlemen mean to say was false? I mean to say that. The statement made by the gentleman from. Maine is false. Blaine turns to the Speaker of the House and Demands Mr Speaker. I call a gentleman order chair. Overrules a point of order. I have the parliamentary right overruled. This plane I demand he shall state what was false. And what I said. The gentlemen from Maine will spend but the gentleman from Maine does not spent and ultimately conquering relents and allows blame to retake the floor. Blaine regains his composure and addresses his fellow. Congressman. When we had the gentleman here from eleven seceded states. They used to talk about answering here and elsewhere and it was understood that they meant a dual. I take it. The gentlemen from New York means the same well now. That is very cheap. When I have to resort to the epithet of false upon this floor and this chiefs swagger I shall have very little faith in the cause I stand up to maintain ultimately Congress decided that section twenty was to be struck from the bill. But this wasn't at ace a debate over a bill a week. Later blamed stood on the floor of the House and read a letter from general fry accusing Roscoe conquering of thievery and corruption. Blaine also ridiculed a recent newspaper. Article That lionize. Conquering comparing him to a revered. Radical Republican Leader Lane mocked. The comparison saying it is striking high period. To Seder mud tomorrow. Dunghill took diamond a singed cat to a Bengal tiger wining puppy to a roaring lion. The rivalry between Blaine and conquering was simmering on violence. They would find themselves on opposite sides of an enduring political struggle inside. The Republican Party at the Republican convention in the election of eighteen eighty would find. Its climax I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections. Wicked game By the late eighteen seventies the Republican party was fractured the radical Republicans. The men largely responsible for the radicalization of slavery and the establishment of civil rights were fading from prominence. Famous radicals thaddeus Stevens were dying or disappearing into the obscurity of retirement. Men like James Blaine and Roscoe conquering where the future of the Republican Party and these two men would become the leaders of two distinct Republican factions the stalwarts and the half breeds roscoe concrete and the stalwarts were largely in favour of the political machinery that propped up federal patronage a process by which elected candidates reward their supporters with political posts and perks. The half breeds were largely in favour of civil service reform an attempt to eliminate federal patronage and replace it with a merit based system wherein the most qualified person would get the job regardless of politics. The term half breed was an insult invented by the stalwarts in the wake of the civil war. Democrats in the south had consistently opposed president. Grant's administration and the Federal Patronage System thus men like James Blaine who agreed with half Democrat. Policies were themselves half Republican eventually. The half breeds embrace the insult and were like a badge of honor as the two factions of the Republican Party. Vie For dominance in the eighteen seventies. Conklin and Blaine would rise to positions of power. Blaine would become the speaker of the House and eventually a senator. Though his record on civil service reform was funny he would ultimately garner the confidence of many. In the half breed faction roscoe conquering would become the defacto boss of the stalwarts and would control the levers of power in New York. Republican politics these two immovable forces would collide in June of eighteen eighty in Chicago at the Republican National Convention. There conkland and Blaine would fight a political battle. That would result in gridlock and give rise to a dark horse candidate who neither man saw coming in the midst of the chaos of the eighteen eighty convention. Former Major General James a Garfield would rise to power. In the general election he would strive to unite the two warring factions of the Republican Party and get the best of a formidable war hero Democrat. This is episode. Twenty four eighteen eighty garfield versus handcock mousetrap. During President Grant's two terms roscoe conquering in the stalwart had remained loyal. Even in the face of a never ending list of scandals that plagued grants administration. The stalwarts had largely backed rants efforts to make good on the promises of the Thirteenth Fourteenth and fifteenth amendments which collectively were meant or radical slavery and guarantee all rights of citizenship to former slaves but the many scandals grant administration had branded the Republican Party with corruption and alienated many in his own party. Men Light James Blaine and the other half breeds. Additionally during grant's presidency federal patronage was alive. And well so in eighteen seventy six. The half breeds helped to elect Rutherford B Hayes. A PRO reform candidate the election of eighteen. Seventy six had only served to further damage. The reputation of the Republican Party Hayes. Victory was the closest yet in American. History vote recounts were required in several states including Florida. But those recounts were controlled by Republican runs state governments when Hayes was declared the winner Democrats accuse Republicans of stealing the election. They call the eighteen seventy six contest. The great fraud of eighteen. Seventy six they gave Rutherford B. Hayes nickname his fraudulent then as president hayes angered the stalwarts and the remnants of the radical Republican faction two. He presided over the end of reconstruction and withdrew federal troops from the south even in the face of mounting evidence that southern states were depriving black-americans of their constitutional rights. Additionally Hayes made concerted efforts to fulfil his promise of civil service reform. Needless to say Roscoe Conklin and the Star Wars did not support a second term for Rutherford B Hayes even if James Blaine and half breeds did it wouldn't have mattered. Hayes had made a promise to be a one term president. His DECISION NOT TO COMPETE IN EIGHTEEN. Eighty therefore set the table for a political showdown between conquering and Blaine by eighteen. Eighty politics in America had transformed into something of a spectator sport. A form of mass entertainment politicians were national celebrities. Party conventions were major events and voting had become a sacred right. The enthusiasm was on full display at the Republican convention in Chicago Illinois by some estimates as many as fifty thousand people came to Chicago for the convention one of them was recent. Senator elect James a Garfield on. May Twenty eighth just a few days before the Convention Garfield arrived in Chicago and checked in at the Grand Pacific Hotel. He wasn't there long when he was cornered by reporter from the Chicago. Tribune Garfield told the reporter. I have just arrived. Please don't ask me anything about political matters. I really not had time to make an estimate or form an opinion of the situation but of course Garfield did have an opinion. There were two clear. Front runners going into the Convention. Conquering and the stalwarts threw their support. Behind General Ulysses s grant hoping to resurrect his political career and make grant the first president in American history to serve three terms. The half breeds look to their leader. A popular senator and former congressman. James Blaine but Senator Garfield came to Chicago in support of a third candidate former Congressman John Sherman treasury secretary under President Hayes but in the hotel lobby the reporter didn't take no for an answer asking Garfield a follow up question. How do you stand on? The Unit Rule Garfield quickly answered the reporter. Now last two that I will give you an answer because I have an opinion on that subject. The unit rule was a rule under which delegation to a national political convention casts entire vote as a unit as determined by a majority vote based on Garfield Bass prediction of the delegate count. He had to know that the unit rule if adopted would hurt both secretary. Sherman and Senator Blaine. He also had to know it would help roscoe conquering and the stalwarts put general grant back in the White House. There was no doubt. Conklin would scheme to push the unit rule and so of the nomination for grant really. It was a matter of simple math. Three hundred seventy nine votes were required to win. According to one recent prediction the Albany Register. James Blaine likely had two hundred seventy seven votes grant at three hundred fourteen Sherman. Only one hundred six. The rest were scattered among a few minor contenders going into the convention. Grant was clearly in the lead but there was opposition. A minority of very vocal dissenters spread across several key states men who had never support grant the bulk of the Anti Grant dissenters were in concord home turf of New York so if Roscoe Conkland could push through the unit rule and silence their minority individual descent giving them. New York's delegates in a block. Grant was extremely likely to win. Perhaps even on the first ballot on the other hand if the unit rule was blocked Garfield candidates secretary. Sherman had a fighting chance. Sherman was in third place but Blaine and grant were neck and neck. Garfield was a student of convention politics. He knew that with two powerful factions locked in a stalemate. There was often a chance that the third place candidate his candidate could easily become the compromise choice in giving his opinion on the unit rule. Garfield didn't pull punches with reporter. Each delegate has a right to express his own political sentiment by his own personal vote it is wholly unrepentant for one man to cast another man's vote Garfield had been forthcoming with reporter about his opinion on the unit rule but there was one subject he didn't get into his own candidacy. Garfield came to Chicago. Support Secretary Sherman Fellow Ohioan but rumors of Garfield. The dark horse candidate had been swirling for weeks in late. April of eighteen eighty Garfield had received a visitor. A man who told him that members of the Pennsylvania delegation had aims to make him the nominee but Garfield had declined their support. Sherman was his man back at the Convention on the afternoon of May Twenty Eighth Garfield and a group of key. Sherman supporters met on the fifth floor of the Grand Pacific Hotel Garfield told Sherman. The unit rule was the great question of the convention in his account of the meeting. Garfield wrote that. He urged them to take a bold and aggressive stand against the rule to unite with the friends of all candidates. Who Take this view Roscoe? Conquering was not one of these men at the New York State Convention earlier that year. Conquering had narrowly pushed through a resolution instructing all New York delegates to support a third term for grant and Chicago conquering plan to force the unit rule on the Convention by leaning on his good friend. Donald Cameron the Convention chairman. Conklin had instructed Cameron to impose the unit rule by any means necessary but this aggression only contributed to a growing anti grant anti conquering sentiment in the Party and on this afternoon of May Twenty Eighth Garfield hatched a plan. The unit rule likely helped grant. It likely hurt everyone else. So if the supporters of Sherman and Blaine United they could stop conquering by making a motion to remove Karen even before the convention got underway while Garfield said his plan in motion in Chicago. The three leading candidates for the Republican nomination stayed out of the fray communicating with their surrogates via telegraph general grant received frequent updates at his home in Galena Illinois. Sherman and Blaine stayed in Washington. All three men left their fate in the hands of their supporters. Sherman put his faith and senator elect James Garfield Blaine and William Chandler a savvy. Harvard lawyer and political operative from New Hampshire and general grant trusted in Roscoe conquering the convention officially began on Monday may thirty first eighteen eighty at seven pm as chairman. Donald Cameron gambled convention to order conquering. Had some cause for concern already. His plan was coming apart earlier that day. Nine delegates from New York and signed a pledge to not support general grant and then almost immediately after the convention began a delegate from Colorado the floor and made a motion to strike the unit rule when Cameron rule the motion out of order the convention hall filled with Boos and hisses. Several attempts were made to jettison the unit rule and each time cameron dismissed it outright on dubious procedural grounds the next day newspapers all across the country derided. Cameron's undemocratic behaviour protesters took to the streets only signs that read down with the Grant Syndicate. Conklin could feel the opposition mounting against him so he decided it was time to strike a deal. It's early June eighteen eighty Palmer Hotel in Chicago a large group of half breed Republicans. Walk into the crowded lobby on their way to a private meeting of the National Convention Committee at the head of the pack as James planes biggest supporter. William Chandler. Half reads are geared up for a fight Chandler has in his possession a piece of paper emotion to unseat Chairman Donald Cameron and replace him with Massachusetts. Senator George Hore. This time Chandler believes he has the support he needs to force camera now as Chandler in the half breeds. Make their way down the hall to their suite. Path is blocked by Roscoe conclaves. Right hand man. The former collector of the New York Port Chester a Arthur Arthur. A skilled lawyer negotiator has been sent to the Palmer House by Roscoe conflict with specific instructions. Strike a deal. Arthur steps forward and turns on the charm. Mr Tanner have award and private. Stone-faced Chandler response not private. But you may have word as the crowd of half breeds looks on Arthur speaks to Chandler in a hush Tom Mr Chandler if you succeed in removing Donald Cameron by force run the risk of splitting this convention and will only serve the week our nominee in the general election and hand the contest. A Hancock he's referring to General Winfield Scott Hancock presumptive Democratic nominee. The Democratic convention is set to take place in late. June barring any significant impedance all signs point to a Hancock. Victory Arthur continues. I think we can both agree that defeating general. Hancock must be the priority. You will hear no argument from me there. Mr Arthur good so in that spirit. I would like to propose a compromise. Mr Arthur as you know Mr conquering and his minions have refused to seat. The Illinois delegation until that insult is remedied. There's nothing to discuss Mr Chandler. Illinois will be seated. You have my word. Chandler's pleasantly surprise but not yet satisfied. But Mr Arthur that is not our only grievance Mr. Conquering is attempting to manipulate these proceedings and prevent a fair democratic process. On this point we will never compromise. Yes Democracy Mr. Conquering finds a very important and proposes that the delegates decide the question of the unit rule in an open fair and free vote. Chandler is very relieved. A split convention is the last thing he and half breeds want but it doesn't show Arthur any emotion because chandler is smart enough to realize that Roscoe conflict does not give up anything without getting something in return. I'm amenable to that proposal. But what does New York want an exchange? Only the Cameron stays chair size and frustration. Arthur continues his pitch but only for the moment we suggest Cameron remain on the committee. And Your Man Senator. Hoar be named temporary chair till the issue. The unit rule is decided Chandler. Suspicious conquering is giving up a lot and chandler can't help but wonder if confidence compromises. Trojan HORSE STILL THE ALTERNATIVE. Split Convention would be disastrous. I will need to discuss this with my colleagues. I Arthur extend his hand for the Party. Chandler takes it for the party not long after the meeting between Arthur and Chandler the delegates at the convention voted to reject the unit rule. Four forty nine to three. Oh six it's impossible to know. Exactly why conch push for a compromise or why he gave out what many perceived as being a massive advantage. Perhaps he questioned Cameron's loyalty days earlier. Cameron had sent a message to Secretary Sherman indicating that if he would instruct his people to back the unit rule cameron believed the stalwarts would eventually abandon grant and defect to Sherman side. Perhaps conquering felt betrayed by this. Or perhaps he feared Cameron was right. In his assessment. The unit rule could help Conklin but in the event of a stalemate with Blaine. It could hurt him to still. The most likely explanation is that conquering was worried about the political ramifications of Split Convention. And he was not alone. Ultimately after Arthur's compromise supporters of all three candidates on board including James Garfield but rumours of Garfield darkhorse candidate only increased after the compromise was struck with unit rule. Off The table. It was anyone's convention grant and Blaine were locked in a tight contest with Sherman in a distant third all three well shy of the required number of votes a gridlock between Blaine and grant could certainly result in a Sherman victory but it also left the door open for any candidate candidate like Garfield to rise to the top while at the Convention Garfield wrote to his wife. You can hardly imagine the embarrassment. I have been in from the moment of my arrival here. By the number of delegates from all quarters who were openly expressing. 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Who is not ready to agree? Mr Chairman I moved voice. Vote be called so ruled all in favor. All opposed the is have it. Motion is adopted. Concl- motion passed seven hundred sixteen to three but those three delegates from West Virginia have openly defied him in conquering does not tolerate even the smallest fines. Mr Chairman I hold these. Three dissenters from West Virginia are not Republicans therefore they are not entitled to vote on or debate. Any measures brought forth in these proceedings. I'm moved that these gentlemen be expelled at once. One of the West Virginians an abolitionist named a W Campbell. Rises to defend himself should never go into any convention agreed beforehand. And whatever may be done shall have my endorsement Campbell stares down conquering shouting. Sir as a free man who God made free. I always intend to carry my sovereignty under my own hat if it has come to this that in the city of Chicago a delicate cannot have free expression of opinion. I for one and willing to withdraw from this in the midst of the boos hisses alone member from the Ohio delegation stands and makes his way to the stage reporters starting to perk up. A senator James a Garfield takes the podium and addresses the hall. I fear this convention is about to make a great air and before they act. I beg leave to state. The case Garfield points to the three centers in the West Virginia delegation. These gentlemen have a right to their own opinion. Are they to be disenfranchised because they thought it was not the time to make such a pledge of blind loyalty there was never a convention. There never can be a convention of which I am a delegate equal and rights to every other delegate. They're so blind. My vote against my will on any question whatsoever. Garfield knows that the hundreds of reporters that his feet are hanging on his every word he also knows that in a matter of minutes. His speech will be telegraphed out and printed in every major newspaper in the country. I know one of these men. Gentlemen I knew him. In the dark days of slavery for Twenty Long Years in the midst of slave pens and slave drivers he stood up for liberty with a clear-sighted courage braveheart. If this convention expels him we expel with him. Any claim we have to the notion of Honor Garfield Speech hushes the delegation. Perhaps even shames roscoe conflict was forced to withdraw his motion to expel the West Virginia delegates. He was defeated. The Konkan was also impressed. During Garfield speech he had scribbled a note onto a piece of paper and slipped into Garfield on his way back to his seat. The note read New York requested. Ohio's real candidate and dark horse come forward. We want him in our sights while we prepare our balance The day after his defense of the three West Virginians on Saturday June fifth James Garfield was scheduled to make another speech at the convention again. He spoke right on the heels of Roscoe conquering who had done a masterful job. Moving the crown to cheers and applause with his well. Rehearsed flowery rhetoric in a booming voice. Conquering set of his candidate of choice. When asked what State He hails from our sole reply shall be He. Hails from EPA Matic's conquering also addressed a serious concern the viability of third term president conquering said having tried grant twice and found him faithful. We're told that we must not even after an interval of years. Trust him again. My countrymen what stalled if occasion. Such a policy involve at the end his speech. The crowd erupted into cheers. Was a tough act to follow and Garfield was not nearly as prepared in a letter to his wife. Garfield had written. I have not made the first step. In preparation was a frightful mistake. He spoke from the heart and from a place of spontaneity. He would later explain. Collings extraordinary speech gave me the idea of carrying the mind of the convention in a different direction at the outset of his speech. Garfield said I've witnessed the extraordinary scenes of disconnection with deep solicitude. No emotion touches my heart more quickly than sentiments in honor of a great noble character. But I've thought as I sat on these seats that you were. The Human Ocean gathered in this circle. I've seen the C- lashed into fury and tossed into spray and its grandeur moves. The soul of the Dallas man but I remember that is not the billows but the com- level of the sea from which all heights and depths are measured in great contrast to Concord Speech Before the Convention Hall was quiet as Garfield continued. He reminded the audience that the election would be decided by four million Republican firesides voters with wives and children's about them with the com- thoughts of home not in Chicago but at the ballot boxes in the republic. The quiet melancholy days of November Garfield asks the crown. What shall we do alone? Voice from the crowd offered a reply nominate Garfield in his eloquent speech. Garfield didn't mention Secretary Sherman until the very end which led many in the audience to suspect Garfield was starting to change his tune as one Illinois delegate toll reporter I shall always believe the Garfield while describing Sherman was thinking of himself regardless of Garfield true intention. His speech on June fifth put him squarely in the conversation as words were carried by telegraphed newspapers all across the country and the homes of the Public Garfield speech. Want him points with the people but caused a rift inside the Sherman camp. The morning after his speech Sherman received a telegram from supporter that read. He has been of no service to you. He was extremely lukewarm. In your support. He has Garfield man and in truth. Garfield was entertaining the idea of running his private correspondence reveals that conflicted man who could see both sides of the question too good and the bad as he wrote to his wife. His biggest concern was Roscoe. Conquering even if Garfield won the nomination. He told her it will be to likely embitter him and his followers against me publicly. Garfield did not commit but many delegates were warming up to the idea of a Garfield nomination. Especially in the face. A likely gridlock between Blaine and grant Garfield was repeatedly approached by delegates looking to test the waters and repeatedly dismissed the idea of his own candidacy and sued fast by Secretary Sherman but despite his public posture Garfield speech had started something he could no longer control on June seventh. The first ballot was in line with previous predictions and the press grant three or four Blaine to eighty four Sherman. Ninety-three on the first day Garfield picked up a single vote from Pennsylvania delegate. The rest of the votes were spread across several minor candidates. By the end of that. First Day of voting. After over twenty ballots little had changed grant and Blaine were still neck and neck and still well short of the required number after a long day of voting. A reporter asked one delegate appointed question. Do you think it's possible for the blame? Men To support Sherman. The delegate responded bluntly no Sir when the reporter asked him about Garfield then a delegate demurred saying only imparting good evening the next day on the thirty fourth ballot Garfield 's name started to ring out sixteen delegates from Wisconsin voted for Garfield from there. The dominoes fell one by one. Delegates from all across the country threw their support behind. Garfield on the thirty six ballot. The contest was over. Garfield secured three hundred ninety five votes and the Republican nomination after that final vote Garfield told a reporter for Chicago newspaper. I wish you would say that. This is no act of mine. I have done everything. Omitted nothing to secure Secretary Sherman's nomination one Sherman. Supporters sent the secretary the bad news via telegraph the Movement to Garfield swept with lightning rapidity through the convention. He is nominated hall erupted in cheers. The Chairman Bank has gavel and pronounce James. A Garfield of Ohio is nominated for the president of the United States. Conclaves men though had remained firm. They stood by grant until the final ballot in the end. It was James Blaine half breeds that defected to Garfield camp a few minutes after the announcement roscoe conflict took the floor and said I congratulate the Republican Party of the United States on the good nature and well tempered rivalry which has distinguished this animated contest though. His outward words and actions were magnanimous. His tone was solemn and gloomy. Conkland was deep down furious. Whether by accident or design James Garfield had successfully secured his party's nomination but to win. In the General Election Garfield new. He would have to unite the Republican Party behind his candidacy to accomplish. That goal. Garfield would have to curry favor from the very man. He just feed roscoe conquering as was his custom. Conflict would ask for something in return. It's June eighteen eighty in Chicago at the Republican convention. Roscoe conkland hides in a private room at the back of the exposition building licking his wounds. He paces back and forth angrily muttering to himself. The ROOM IS EMPTY. Save for conquering and one other man alone reporter who lurks in the background. Unnoticed reporter watches conclaves every move and jots down notes as Chester. A Arthur enters through the door. Arthur to doesn't notice the reporter but when he sees conquering frantically pacing monitoring he calls out. I've been hunting for you. Everywhere seeing his protege and good friend conquering immediately breathed a sigh of relief. Chesser sit down with me please. You say you've been looking for me. What can I do for the reporter quietly? Eavesdrops AS CONQUERING and Arthur's conversation ventures into some dicey territory? The Ohio men have offered me the vice presidency conquering size and frustration. He can hardly contain his rage. Well Sir you should drop it as you would a red hot shoe. From the forge I sought you out to consult. Conquering is having none of it. What is there to consult about? Trickster James Garfield would be defeated before the entire country other there. There is something to be said. Don't tell me you're thinking of accepting the office of the vice. President is a greater honor than I ever dreamed of. Attaining a baron nomination would remain a great honor in a calmer moment. You will look at this differently defined conquering snaps. If you wish for my favorite my respect you'll contemptuously. Decline it senator conquering accept the nomination and I shall carry with me. The majority of the delegates conquering had plans to make Arthur his most valued ally United States senator. He feels angry betrayed. His candidate has just lost the nomination. Now he's losing a protege and a friend but CONKLIN can tell from the look on Arthur's face that his mind is made up so without a word caulking turns and storms out of the room. Arthur watches his friend walkout as the reporter furiously. Jots down notes The conversation between conquering and Arthur was recorded for posterity. By a man named William Hudson reporter for the Brooklyn Daily Eagle though some historians have doubts about the authenticity of the conversation. Not Enough due to discount it entirely whether it's fact or fiction. This much is true. Republican nominee James Garfield needed all the help he could get unlike grant. Blaine and Sherman Garfield did not have political machinery already. Working on his behalf he would start by playing from behind but Garfield was confident. He could secure the support of both general grant and James Blaine as well as the bulk of their supporters. Indeed both grant and Blaine would ultimately campaign for Garfield but Garfield new. That would not be enough with a south. A solid voting block for General Hancock. The eighteen eighty contests would come down again to the state of New York in order to defeat Tammany Hall. The Democratic political machine in New York Garfield would need the stalwarts in his corner. He had made the politically astute move by offering chester. Arthur the vice presidency. He had hoped that if Arthur joined the ticket he would bring with him. The support of many in the New York delegation ultimately Arthur was chosen as the vice president nominee on the first ballot but carpooling still held the reins of power in New York and he was reluctant to get on the Garfield Bandwagon. When asked if he would support Garfield Arthur ticket? Conquering allegedly replied. That he'd rather be thrown in jail. Collings hold out was perhaps sour grapes but it was also strategic in exchange for his full throated support. Conquering wanted. Something return as he told a reporter. There are some matters which must be attended to before I can enter the canvas. Conquering wandered the Treasury Department. To keep its hands off the New York Custom House and entity the collected federal taxes on imports conquering had long controlled the customhouse and has over one hundred million dollars in annual revenue. He also wanted control federal patronage in New York to decide who would get to fill the thousands of jobs and posts in the state conch demanded the Garfield visit him in person in Manhattan to come to an arrangement in late July Garfield wrote. I am very reluctant go. It is an unreasonable demand. That so much effort should be made to conciliate one man. But General Hancock's campaign was already up and running and he made a formidable opponent. The former civil war hero who fought at the battle of Gettysburg was a household name. He was also largely a political which meant the Democrats could fashion his image. Any way they saw fit. This fact alone made Hancock dangerous and so in early August Garfield made the long journey to New York when he arrived he was disappointed when Conkland gave him. The brush didn't show up for their appointment but Garfield made the most of his trip getting face time with a long list of influential Republicans in the state. It was days later. When Garfield met behind closed doors with Chester Arthur and several conquering supporters in a suite at the fifth avenue. Hotel one of conclaves men laid out the score. Conklin wanted to know who Garfield plant reward? With New York's patronage the dissenters who turned their backs on grant or his loyal stalwarts allegedly Garfield trying to ease their concerns. New York belong to conquering. He had no intention of upsetting. The order of things. Garfield allegedly promised conclaves men that he wouldn't do anything in New York without their express approval and turn allegedly conkland men promised Garfield he would have their full unflinching support on the campaign trail. Though Garfield would later deny the existence of any quid pro quo with conquering. Certain facts. Strongly suggest that promises were made and delivered conquering maintain control in New York and in return he went on the road and stumped for James Garfield so by the end of August Garfield had united his party around his candidacy. Garfield supporters campaigned on a variety of issues from checking the southern states in their efforts to suppress civil rights to protecting the black vote from public education to controlling the flow of Chinese workers into the West Coast. But there was one issue conspicuously absent from the Garfield Platform the Labor Rights of American workers in the final weeks of the eighteen eighty contest. Democrats would try to use this issue to their advantage. During the fall of eighteen. Eighty James Garfield did not openly campaign on the road instead he stayed home in mentor. Ohio and made a plethora of to hundreds of visitors while Garfield focused on what was called his front porch campaign. His supporters launched a relentless effort. Nationwide in the press. They attacked handcock as the candidate of the KKK and the Democrats party of the confederacy they highlighted Garfield rise from poverty to the top of American politics and hailed his long record of service to the country. I in the army and later in Washington but Hancock and the Democrats mounted a deft opposition light. Hancock remained at his post on. New York's Governor's island and left the dirty work to his friends and supporters in the press. Democrats cast Garfield as a feeble corrupt politician frequently. Reminding the people of his involvement in the credit mobilier scandal one of the many scandals that plagued president grant's administration Garfield had profited from the scheme to the tune of three hundred twenty nine dollars over ten thousand. Today's money then two weeks before the election. A Pro Democrat newspaper in New York delivered the Garfield campaign a crushing blow when they published the morey letter. The New York truth claimed the letter was written by James Garfield to a union leader in Massachusetts named H. L. Maury text printed on the front page read yours. In relation to the Chinese problem came to lead to hand. I take it that the question of employees is only a question of private and corporate economy individuals or companies. Have the right to buy Labor where they can get. A cheapest Garfield was known to be vulnerable on labor rights and issue. That didn't even make it. Into the Republican platform and with New York in doubt and the south solidly behind handcock Garfield needed to win every state when the election including California Democrats widely distributed the maury letter in the hope that they could push workers on the west coast away from Garfield and towards General Hancock. The Democratic National Chairman stood by the authenticity of the letter saying it is Garfield Handwriting. Denial is worse than useless. The New York truth stood by the letters well for a time two months after the election. The New York truth would finally admit that the Maury letter was a fake. The most obvious clue was that the author misspelled Garfield last name additionally. Ahl Maury was not a real person a few days after the letter appeared. Garfield responded in print writing that the letter was the work of some clumsy villain who cannot spell nor write English nor imitate my handwriting every honest and Manley Democrat in America. Who IS FAMILIAR WITH? My handwriting will announced forgery at site put the case in the hands of able detectives and Hunt The rascals down. Garfield Stern convincing response was published in newspapers. All over the country. It was still an open question. Though whether California readers would believe it on national election day Tuesday November second over nine million. Americans cast their ballot. Seventy eight point. Four percent of all eligible voters. It was one of the largest voter turnouts in the history of the country in the end. The Democrats October surprise was enough to cost Garfield California but not enough to overcome Garfield national popularity. The eighteen eighty election resulted in the closest popular. Vote Margin in American History Garfield WanNa Popular Majority by less than ten thousand votes. He won two hundred fourteen electoral votes hancock. One one hundred fifty five. If New York's thirty five electoral votes had gone to Hancock. The Democrats would have won the election in that state over. A million votes were counted Garfield. One I Amir. Twenty thousand New Yorkers. It's not an exaggeration. To say that had roscoe conquering not back Garfield he likely would have lost the election. It was party. Unity at put Garfield into the White House but almost immediately after taking the oath Garfield was again confronted by a splintering of the Republicans when he stacked his cabinet largely with half breed Republicans conquering. The stalwarts were furious when he made attempts to pacify the stalwarts with favourable appointments. The half breeds were incensed. The party was divided and Garfield was between a rock and a hard place in the midst of the mouse from. There was one man in Washington who had a plan to bring the party back together. This longtime stalwart Republican reckon. The best way to unity was to remove James Garfield from office but this man was no ordinary Republican from New York. There was a deranged madman with a chip on his shoulder and the fall of eighteen. Eighty one Charles Goto with C. Garfield for removal not by political means but through a violent assassination on the next episode of wicked game. 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1769: Blaine Bartlett: The Leadership Mindset

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1769: Blaine Bartlett: The Leadership Mindset

"Walk to the conscious milliner podcast show episode number, seventeen, sixty nine I. This is blamed Bartlett I'm the author of a new book, the Leadership Mindset Weekly, and on today's show. JV and I are going to be discussing the leadership mindset. Look to conscious millionaire, the number one show for conscious entrepreneurs and CEOS on a mission to build a highly profitable business that makes a positive impact on Egypt, says discover how to make bigger money create a bigger impact and live a bigger live. You're listening to the conscious meaner network her by over twelve million listeners in one hundred ninety countries now join your host jv chrome the third, the conscious meaner mentor, Master P, coach, speaker and author of the number one international bestseller consciously. Grow, Your Business by making a difference. Before we start the show I, WanNa, thank you for doing your part. During this pandemic and financially challenging time using your talents to help others is the greatest gift you can give others now. My heart felt gratitude goes out to you and to help you grow your business. I've created an audio to empower you to manifest abundance now. To access your manifest abundance audio. Go to conscious millionaire. Dot Com Ford slash manifest abundance. That's conscious millionaire dot com. Ford slashed manifest abundance. Alot this JV I'm excited. You've joined because of a very special featured guest, but I I want to tell you. This isn't just a podcast and syndicated radio show. It's an entrepreneur training for you for the entrepreneur wants to combine making prophets with making a big impact and getting the big fulfillment and freedom that you're seeking burglary talking about mindset strategy execution with our featured guest. Now help me welcome him. He coaches and consoles worldwide with leaders, executives, companies and governments. He's personally delivered programs to more than three hundred thousand individuals and has directly impacted more than one million people. Worldwide is a long term member of the. The Transformational Leadership Council and he has five books including the number one international bestseller, compassionate capitalism and his brand new blockbuster. The leadership mindset weekly helped me welcome Blaine Bartlett Blaine. Welcome back to the show. Ed JV It's good to be back. It's always a pleasure to speak with you well, you know I'm excited that you're here and first of all congratulations on your new book. The leadership mindset weekly. We're going to be digging down into that and folks. We're going to have a very special twenty four hour. Challenge for you today. That relates to that with a link, so you're gonNA WANNA, stay tuned for that. What is the leadership mindset. Well. Explained on this a little bit in a starts with this research shows that ninety five percent of all behavior is sourced out of unconsciousness. Mean literally we don't know this. Yeah, why we behave the ways that we do we can have some ideas about doing some things, but we certainly if I'm theirselves sal sabotaging ourselves in doing things. We said we're going to do one thing. We ended up doing another. Minute in all of those things it's mindset is a collection of belief, systems, values, and more importantly habits, and it's the habituated way of thinking and interacting and experiencing the world that. Essentially creates a mindset itself, and then what we do as leaders in what we do as individuals actually is, our mindset actually is in control of everything that we're doing out there, and the same is true with leadership We have ideas about what leaders are supposed to be. How leaders are supposed to conduct themselves. WHAT THE ACTIVITY OF LEADERSHIP! Actually is and for most people would say It's a mindset that is sourced of a military model I mean of it started being developed when Hannibal crossed the Alps on the elephants if command and control hierarchy, and it. Kinda goes down. We've got teams and organizations with a leader, and the leader is in charge, so there's that whole mindset about I need to be in control I need to be charged I need to have the answers I needed to know the direction, and then you need to follow me. Yeah, that's. That's. Let's say that's conventional. That's conventional mindset right, but in the conscious world that you're steeped in that shifts and how specifically does it shift? It shifts in this way. It's a recognition of the fact that every single thing on this planet and I'm GonNa literally say in this universe is connected in some way shape or form. It's all connected. So it's there's a quantum model to it. As a quantum model comes into play here, mean we. We can Yeah, actually break it down to some very interesting dynamics in that regard at a practical level I mean look at the conduct of business and. There's nothing on this planet that is not touched in some way shape or form by the activity of business, my business will actually impact shellfish in the Mariana trench in some way, shape or form, either through oxygen, Co, two development or plastic, throwaway, or whatever it might be, but the there's nothing that is not touched by activity of businesses, so there is connection and the leadership mindset that I'm speaking of and this is. Something that came out of the last book that I wrote Compassionate Capitalism, a journey to the solo business in the soul is about connection. That mindset is a recognition that if I WANNA clause movement, I have to be ready I have to be cognizant of the fact that that movement has to be Co created, and ideally it will be coordinated, and that's a different model for leading. It's not a command and control model. It's one steeped in co creation, and it's one steeped in an acknowledgement that everything happens with coordinated movement. Nothing gets done by itself. So. That's kind of where we begin to move in its contents a shift in consciousness. It's a shift in how I think. What do you think is the big difference in terms of results from the conventional top down military view of control. And in many ways domination, you're you're dominating the next person down the next person down the experts down and this new conscious model that you have and that you bring out in the leadership mindset weekly. What's the difference in the results that we create? Well again I can go back to some studies. A good friend of mine, a fellow by the name of Barrage Sesotho. Folks, folks. He's the CO author of conscious capitalism, and he's been on the show a couple of times to say you know. A Raja's brilliant. And he wrote a book that was called, and actually preceded conscious. Called firms of endearment, I'm very familiar and have that book and I love. I love the title firms of endearment, but what's important about this in the specific to your your question here is. He took a collection of companies that had explicitly identified love care of concern gratitude. Part of their value core and they organize the behavior in the organization, their go to market structures, though relationships with vendors, the relationship of employees, a relationships with customers with those values in mind now. What was interesting about his book? was He contrasted the SNP. And he contrast Jim Collins is good to great companies with his core group of firms of endearment, and the firms of endearment outperform both of those other cohorts dramatic I think it was about an eighteen hundred percent difference in in traditional business metrics right while makes good business. Recognition of connection makes good business, and that's that's the whole thesis here in. It's a shift in mindset. It really isn't. It's not command and control. It's not about domination. It's about co creation, and it's about coordinating together. You know what really hit me when you were saying. That was the title of Your Your Book Compassionate Capitalism that you're. It's the difference. I think between a company having policies, but hiding behind the policies and by that what I mean is my fourth out of Seven Habits in the conscious millionaire, paradigm and my book. Conscious millionaire is do what's right. And I literally, the other six were clear to me. You know the the formula for creating wealth conscious focused action, so that was three of them. Conscious focused action learning. You know always growing. All of these were were clear to me, but I tried out literally on a weekly basis. Blaine, I would say okay. I think this is the fourth one and I knew the fourth one was the key right, and then I tried out for weeks ago. It's great, but it's not the essence conscious millionaire, the essence of conscious I came to do. What's right us at that's it. That's the real essence of conscious business is of course you have policies. Of course you've. That's how you need that. You can't run. A larger company can't even run small company well without him. But the policies shouldn't be where you're hiding out. Right doing what's right should be your in essence, not hiding out, but shining forth and I think that relates to what you're what you're talking about here. It absolutely does as a matter of fact, a STOIC philosophy perspective Marcus Aurelius one point in time, wrote the character was everything, and not as Marcus Aurelius. He was actually working with some writings from Seneca at that point but character is everything and character is about doing the right thing. Yeah, when you know what yeah, quoting quotas right, you aren't swayed by the seduction of the marketplace by the seduction of an easy hit. That sort of thing. I mean Enron just go back in history just a little bit here. They had an explicit value of respect for the individual may paraphrase it just a bit here, but respect for the client respect for the customer, and we all know what happened with Enron they were zero. Bockel, yeah, they were. When you thought of character it's easy to. It's easy to speak about the ideals that we a spouse. It's really a challenge to live into up to those values, and we see this all a of all over the place today I think Yeah, the leadership mindset. Requires a key requires character in it into discipline. It really is discipline when when I think of politics today as an example on. That's not a rabbit hole. We need to go down right now, but character does not seem to be the hallmark of many of our political leaders. Expediency seems to be the hallmark. And I think that's across the board, I mean so. We're not folks. We're not talking about one party versus another. We're talking. We're talking. We're talking about the state of the situation that we have and and I think that interestingly enough at the federal level is the worst situation where. You look at Congress, I'll just say it because I. Don't usually make any political comments and I don't think you'll be able to take my trump his folks, but I think both of the main parties would rather annihilate the other one did actually accomplish something together. I think that's pretty obvious, but when you trickled down to state and local there's a change in complexion and people seem to be more generally concerned about the people that elected him and not just the people who elected, but the people in the entire community having a better life, so there is a difference between the levels. That's very interesting and I wonder how that relates to companies. Where at the top, there may be using this conventional model, but then you have especially more millennials coming into a company and they're saying we're not interested in this so vacant, their own coalitions as to how their team works at, and I think that's part of this transition is the as I observe at curious about your observations. Because you're the guy who wrote the book. It seems like INEX- terribly. We're moving forward to this more conscious paradigm of everybody should win. Everybody should get respected. That, this is about all of us going on this journey together, and in fact, we're a lot better when we all make up how we get there. Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more of when we start looking at structures in organizations, the higher you go in any organization whether it's a federal government political structure or business. You become more and more removed from the actual human contact that makes the the organization actually run well, and it's all about relationship. It's all about relationship. That's all organization is. And if the relationships are working well, you're gonNA have a pretty good shot at being successful. When we start moving into higher levels in organization structures, power becomes in this is the nature politics politics is about our about yet securing power, and that's politics of business politics of government. It doesn't matter what it is doesn't matter what it is. So the idea in the leadership mindset is a recognition. This is how I define leadership, if it is the activity of CO, creating coordinated movement that has a different mindset than command and control. It's a different mindset than an aggregation of power for the sake of power. All of that is kind of set aside when we start looking at these different mindset in it's predicated on connection. This is compassion comes in. It's impossible to have compassion without connection. And what a lot of what we see going on in the world, today is the absence of compassion, because the experience of connection is not present. It exists, but it's not felt. And that's the dynamic that I. WanNa Challenge, and that's the dynamic that I want to do something about it. It's a function of consciousness. It truly is so wouldn't segue just for a moment before we go to break and folks when we come back. We've got a twenty four hour challenge for you. We're going to give you a special Link going to be able to utilize to find out more about this, but. What is the core of the leadership mindset weekly? Why did you created? Mindsets are created over time. They become rarefied. It's it's it's kind of a self fulfilling cycle. I see something it's. It's confirmation bias I see something that I believed was true at the reinforces at in Pretty Soon I. got this reinforced. Edifice, that I, then run my life through. The leadership mindset weekly. It's fifty two lessons as basically fifty two practices that are designed to take me through a year. Through repetition I begin to Chisel away at. To move into position, different ways of thinking. And that's what I want to accomplish with. This I can tell somebody. Here's what you can do, and they go. God, that's a great idea, but the existing mindset doesn't allow for it to happen. So partly what we want to do with this mindset, a weekly process in the book is designed for this is to give practices that if somebody is willing to engage it, they will. They will get to a point where their mind set has shifted. And I'm not installing anything. Yeah, that is biased towards me in the way that we've structured the book is we're taking? Ancient Philosophy were taking Ideas from leaders, it have exemplified the CO creation co- coordinated movement leaders like Gandhi Viktor Frankl Just folks here that have something to say and have got a way of thinking about how the world can work, and how organizations can work, so that's what we're using here and then in. We've designed practices that people can engage over the course of the program. I just WanNa, give a shout out actually to Viktor Frankl. He's left left. The Planet as has Gandhi I didn't get to meet Gandhi but I did get to attend a lecture at a synagogue in downtown Los Angeles when I was in Grad school with Victor Franko and of course I'd read his book when I highly recommend it to. You when I. I was in high school man's search for meaning so if you haven't read that book been recommended on the show numerous times I, take a look at that. We're going to be right back with our featured gas. Blame Bartlett would discussing more about the leadership mindset, the leadership mindset weekly, and we'll have the conscious millionaire entrepreneur questions, so stay tuned. We'll be right back. This is Jay become the third founder of conscious millionare's dot. COM and I urge you to grab this opportunity. The reason is coaches are my secret edge. I've been highly successful and one of the reasons is I've had coaches and I still use coaches today why? Because, they helped me uncover. Hidden blocks reach a higher level of accountability and achieve at my peak performance. Having a coach on your side can do the same thing for you. A coach can help you get a winning edge. If you've lost your job or furloughed WanNa start a business. Take control of your life, or you're an entrepreneur coach business owner who isn't getting the traction you want. Perhaps you're struggling to attract clients, close sales and even reach that hundred thousand dollar mark. Then, this is an important question for you. Do you WanNa? Make a bigger impact with your life and put more money in your bank account. Coaching can make the difference. It's a statement that you want more and are interested in getting more. If you WANNA. Accelerate your life, business and finances thin. Take advantage of this opportunity to get a free. That's right, free, conscious millionaire accelerate session. It's time for you to accelerate. Claim your session today. Just, go to conscious millionaire DOT COM. Ford slash accelerate. That's conscious, millionaire dot com Ford slash accelerate. Goto conscious millionaire dot com Ford slash accelerate. Welcome back on JV. Crumlin third host of the conscious millionaire's show. I'm here with our featured guest blamed Bartlett. He's the author of the new book. The leadership mindset weekly and be talking more about that in just a moment. I I just WANNA give a shout out to you to each and every one of you you in particular and thank you for showing. Showing up because I don't think he showed up for JV or Blaine. I think it showed up because you're ready to take one more step right now to day, and you were attracted to listening to this episode for reason, and that reason it's giving you material information on how you could become a better leader for your business how you could perhaps start a. A business and go, I could lead better than I'm being led, and we're telling you how to do that so I want to congratulate you for showing up. I also want to thank all of our fans and friends in Seattle. Washington and Los Angeles California, Blaine. It's time for the twenty four hour challenge I? Know you'RE GONNA. Be giving out the link where. Where people can find out more about the leadership mindset weekly. Could you provide that to everyone listening today? Yeah, the link is Blaine Bartlett, dot com forward slash mindset mastermind, one word Blaine Bartlett Dot com forward slash mindset, mastermind, one word, and if you're driving or doing anything that requires your full attention, always know headquarters for everything for the conscious millionaire show. That's right. It's conscious millionaire show dot, com and today to scroll down to see the title of today's show the leadership mindset click on it. It'll take into all the questions all the links the audio. If you WANNA hear the show again, and of course on that same page you can subscribe and then get all of the editions of the conscious millionaire show, and now it's. It's time for the conscious millionaire entrepreneur. Question that I I want to ask you. You know you've been highly successful financial. You're not just a conscious guy out there. You're conscious guy who's also made a lot of money. How did you make your first million? And what would you be you know? What could you share? That would help anybody who's on that journey right now. That's a great question The how you're. Getting into the actual tactical pieces I think it can summarize in one one one actual word here focus. I just very very focused on what it was that I was bringing to the table. And and I attended to relationship in, my client base. My oldest client has been with me for thirty four years. And that's not an accident in. It's not because we built in dependency into the relationship. It's because I continue to bring value to the table. Average length of time with my client bases around a decade if people continue to work with me and with us, because we bring value, and that's where the focus comes. I'm. I'm not interested in doing something to make money. Money will come if I'm if in this is where my focuses if I'm delivering value. I'm really concerned about. Will this improve the experience that they are having both of themselves? But also of their business is an uplifting so there's a generative quality it, and and I continuously looking for ways to make that difference and that started pretty early on in it did result in my first million, and it continues to produce value that way. We know that at a great story and I think a lot of good advice there. Let's Segue from there to mindset. What's the mindset you've developed? It helps you discover your best business opportunities. yeah, it's Goes right back to the notion of you know. We're all connected and I'm noticing I pay attention to my body. And I don't mean that from a health and wellbeing standpoint when I'm working with a client I am pretty intuitive I will pick up some things in in their in their language and what they're talking about where they're focused, seems to be. and. In one of the reasons that continuing to bring value is because I recognize. Where's an opening for an offer? And so I'm the idea here is. Where can I add value? Continuously looking at work and I add value and sometimes it's outside of Mike. Area of expertise so I read a lot of people in the do different things than I do to the clients that I work with. In Service of adding value and sometimes I get a piece of that sometimes I don't. The. Monetary side of is not important in that sense, the value creation is important, so my mindset is organized around that in a in a really is what's good for? You will ultimately be good for me. I, don't start with what's good for me. I. Start with what's good for you. How can you? How can you benefit here? And I think I I think that relates to actually the next question. I wanted to ask about strategy. What's a strategy? that anyone listening today as an entrepreneur can utilize to increase their profit so from your perspective. What would that strategy? Okay this'll this'll seem a little odd, but the strategy is to find ways to have conversations about something other than the objective. And in ideally what I mean by that is any business relationship relationship has an objective outcome by which we're going to measure the success of it. That's that's kind of an again at grow. The measure I wanNA. Look at the qualitative. That's that's the quantitative measure I want to look at the qualitative measure. Here's what we did. How did we do it? So a large strategy strategic from a strategic perspective can pay attention to the how the quality of the relationship everything's relationship. Everything is relationship. If you're attending to the relationship strategically attending to the relationship from a value creation perspective, you're going to have long term clients that are going to continue to be with you and what ends up doing. There's there's a huge distinction here. jv between customer, satisfaction and customer loyalty. Satisfaction is predicated on transactions. It was a successful transaction or not. Loyalty is based on relationship and the reason I got such long term. Clients is I pay attention to the relationship quality and yet stubbed toe Qua-. Quantitatively on the customer satisfaction piece a couple of times I mean. That's that's just going to happen, but there was enough relationship equity. That that got handled. It was not a showstopper. You know I want to congratulate you again. On the leadership mindset weekly. I WANNA. Give you that links. You can find out more about it than the mastermind Blaine Bartlett again. That's blamed Bartlett Dot com forward slash mindset. Mastermind blamed Bartlett dot com ford slash mindset mastermind, and we'll have that link on the show notes conscious, millionaire show dot, com, you know. That's your new book. The leadership mindset weekly what's a book. You'd like to recommend for entrepreneurs blade. New Book, that's just come out good friend of mine, a fellow by the name of Jim Quick K.. W. I k. has just written a book called limitless. and. It's you know. If if you had a magic wand or magic pill that you could take, it would allow you to be. Limitless, and what you can do and accomplish, that's what Jim has written about, and he's got. He's got the credit to do it Yeah, he's. He's coached and worked with. The Yankees, the he's worked with film stars. He's worked with the X men. He's worked with I. Mean you just gotTa fill in the blank Jim a brilliant strategy, is he? Have you learn how to learn? This is one of the things that he's talking about in his whole structure. and his whole conversation is organized around the mind the mindset. In how how do you actually open it up so that you can experience being limitless? It's beautiful book. It's really well written. And, there is some incredibly practical suggestions in the book about what you can do to actually improve. Your likelihood of being limitless, and in so many ways, and so we'll have a link to that again on the show notes at conscious millionaire show dot com. You know what is the legacy that you hope will come out of all of this from you having journeyed on this planet. Think the legacy. Is that business? Does step into an owns the fact that they are responsible that we as business people that businesses are responsible for the whole mean. If if I had a superpower it would be. To be one hundred percent responsible for everything that's going on and I say responsible from the standpoint of causation I. Mean I I have control over my beliefs. I have my thinking. That's at a control room I thanking my attitude, my feelings and my behaviors that responsibility. If, I completely own that. That's what I have control over everything else I have no control over. This is what I have control over and I act, as if everything that goes on is organized around those four areas. Businesses Begin doing that. And it starts to. All of a sudden, we have a healthy planet. The because business is taking responsibility for the whole recognized the connection. They Act compassionately. and compassion has a hard edge to it. Requires hard choices? Sometimes I have to forego. The margin in order to create a non polluting. Service or product. The amid but that's the compassionate thing it goes back. To look thing looking at how to do business from perspective. That's looking at the whole Yup. Is this taking ability for the whole. Yeah, yeah, I'm on the board of directors and have been for a long time in the World Business Academy was founded about thirty eight years ago, and and the very simple mission statement that we've got at the academy is is it's a think tank business taking responsibility for the whole ready or touched by business well and I think that's an important legacy, because if we only focus on short term profits. Were death by definition, not going to be looking at the whole, and we aren't going to be creating the future that we want in our lives, and we aren't going to be creating for our children and our grandchildren so that they have a future that we want them to have. And so I'd say that in a simple way that's doing business responsibly it is, and it does it goes back to Marcus Aurelius his point about character goes back to your point about doing the right thing, it will. that. You got those pieces in place. And we don't have them in place in many areas, but if we have if if I look at my legacy, if I can facilitate that to a greater degree than what currently exists, I will have done my job. We're here with Blaine Bartlett again. The link to go learn more about the leadership mindset weekly in the mastermind is blamed. Bartlett dot com forward slash mindset mastermind I. Want to thank you for showing today again, showing up for yourself and if today's program was powerful for you if it was meaningful and impactful. I would like to ask, and it would definitely be meaningful for me if you would let some of your entrepreneur friends about the conscious millionaire show. We're here to make an impact in your life in entrepreneurs lives to help you build highly profitable businesses that are making a positive impact in the world, and provide you with that deep fulfillment, and the financial freedom that you're seeking as well I look forward to connecting with you on the next conscious millionaire and blame. Thank you so much for gracing the stage again of the conscious millionaire show. jv My absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me on again. This is J.. B. Chrome the third founder of conscious millionaire DOT COM and I. Urge you to grab this opportunity. The reason is coach is are my secret edge. I've been highly successful and one of the reasons is I've had coaches and I still use coaches today. Because they helped me uncover hidden blocks reach a higher level of accountability and achieve at my peak performance. Having coach on your side can do the same thing for you. A coach can help you get a winning edge. If you've lost your job or furloughed. WanNa start a business. Take control of your life, or you're an entrepreneur coach business owner who isn't getting the traction you want. Perhaps you're struggling to attract clients close sales and even reached that. THOUSAND DOLLAR MARK! Then, this is an important question for you. Do you? WanNa, make a bigger impact with your life and put more money in your bank account. Coaching can make the difference. It's a statement that you want more and are interested in getting more. If you want to accelerate your life. Business and finances thin. Take advantage of this opportunity to get a free. 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"This is a rooster teeth production. Everyone welcome to the received podcast back. It's me I'm gust. Gavin. I'm Chris. And I'm elise filling in for no, you've you released. For anyone. Okay. and which away. That's enough of that embarrassment. How's everyone doing everyone ready for yet another podcast, the comfort of our own homes. Yeah. I went I went out I did something the other day. No you didn't. I got a flu shot. That tracks. I saw my doctor. A. Few weeks ago when I had like, I'd hurt my shoulder and I went to go see him about it and. He convinced he's like you'd be a good idea to get a flu shot this year just because of Kobe and everything and I was like, yeah. That does sound like a good idea and he was like get mature you get it mid to late November? I was like, yeah I'm going to get it mid to late November. And I went to go get it the other day and I went to the pharmacy. And the pharmacist. You know it gets the injection everything he's like he's getting everything set up. He's like making small talk he's like you get a flu shot every year it's like no, it's actually I can't remember the last time I did. My doctor just said, it might be a good thing to get this year. He says, what do people coming out to get flu shots this year I don't I don't understand why. I said, what do you mean he goes? To everyone staying home and everyone's wearing masks. So I don't think anybody's going to really have to worry about the flu and I felt like the biggest idiot in the world I was like, oh, he's like whatever if you want to flu shot that's fine I'll give it to you. Kind of already here. I think I think. The thinking is if you do end up You might get covid. You'd also have a danger of getting the flu, and if you got them both at the same time, it'd be bad. I guess. So but I'm not I'm hopefully going to get either of them. I guess. I think you're doing the responsible thing and I've heard stories of people who say, I don't know how I got Kobe. So, I can imagine the same thing when applied to flew to. So, anyway refundable get a flu shot. Even if the Pharmacist Gilts you let me ask you this gus are you on a first name basis with your doctor? Oh. I don't know if I've ever even called him by his last name. Just call Dr, I just call him Dr. Do you ask are you on the basis doctor I? Just I just think that that's that's a bad sign if you are because that that means that you're quite infirm. Maybe you're just a what do you call it when you're always thinking you're sick. HYPOCHONDRIAC almost interview the ACA. Trees Yeah. How do you know that word Chris I was in a movie or something. What. What words do you know at least that you think is a good word to know that most people don't not. Asthma, phobia it means the trump fear of. Right. Mainstream these days there Well now when I I learned it. No one I learned it. Can I I need to address something. I'm sweating. Okay. You know. I mean address why I'm hiding behind my mic. Real you're on your mic. Yeah I. Thought that was just you being you know I'm hiding behind my mic. So. On Friday. Already knows this because I recorded with him since then but on Friday morning I was brushing my teeth and then I went to floss and walls forcing it broke one on my teeth. You floss one of your teeth off. But the whole thing just. A piece of it. I told Chris that heat so much ice cream everyday. I would think all the extra calcium would afford a fight his teeth to the point where they were super strong. They said Brill. Well Well. What happened is when I was a kid, my little brother like jumped on my back and I broke my. Chip. My front teeth and. Could you broke your front? Yeah like I. Fell Ford and like. Hit. My. Yeah and then when I was like like I must be like two, thousand, seven or something, I had a veneers because the. And falling off. And it was one of the deer things. So. Hopefully I'm getting taking care of tomorrow. I'll show you if you want. I. Don't WanNa, make you feel uncomfortable? So willing to show what's the point of Heidi behind the Mike while I wanted to. Hiding for now, but I didn't want like before I told you. You to be like it's like when someone's pregnant and they're like, wow, they're getting kind of fat you know like. You like. But if you if you know they're pregnant, you bet pregnant they're not getting fat and it same thing is like Chris Teeth. are kind of messed up what's wrong with his teeth so I just kind of saw it. Oh I can see how floss broke because right between. Yeah. That's not so bad Chris. Well, yeah it's not so bad but it's definitely like. It's noticeable like having known you for a long time. The Blaine Blaine had the best reaction to it. He said. Chris now looks like his hillbilly cousin who's illiterate Amos. It's such a little sliver. That's amazing. Yeah it's like a gap in my teeth on the wrong side. This is all. In. Between the two. It makes it look like your one of your teeth in the center of your mouth. You'll you'LL TOM CRUISE EFFECT YEAH Gives you the Tom Cruise fact. So. Just be careful lossing say if you don't want to lose your teeth. Consider now Faucet. Just be like me don't ever floss. Yeah. At least governed diario-la religious do you do? I got those green plastic things with. Just one bit of Foshan between to get. But. I feel like they're awful for the environment being like a one use plastic thing. They think they added plastic to plastic for your convenience. I'm not the most diligent about daily philosophizing Alad. Knitted I also have a retainer glued in the. Bottom teeth. So it's virtually impossible unless you buy specific thing that helps you floss. But like. Chris I feel like I've developed a layer of plaque. That prevents any other bacteria from forming or fostering. I guess you can't get plaque on plaque so you'll pretty much good. Yeah I'm just I'm just second guessing everything now. I floss pretty regularly but look what it did me. Know this could be like the first step in a series of life events that totally change your life. It's like you're going to go to the dentist now and you're GonNa meet someone at the dentist office who eventually going to marry, and then it's like down the road you're gonNA have children with them, and then you'd be like I never would've met this person if I hadn't chipped my to while flossy. But what if what if what if I hate my my wife and kids been really regret for? That it just 'cause I just because I get this because I have kids that me and my life is better I didn't say better I just got to change your life. I never use the word better All right. That's fair. Something I've never messed with this is the old water pick Oh. Yeah. Given, one once it was like a little cheap hand held one I think giving Alex Youtube Event and would just in the bags. And I blast it in and it just flew out when all over the mirror and I just thought I don't know how to do this properly. So I stopped. Yeah I. Travel you're supposed to do it when you're underwater. Really Sees that we just apply everywhere. No. Go ahead. please. Try Water pick and. I bought one and I tried it and it it was so intense I feel like I bled like. I turned it on and I was like Like fighting with it, and then I tried to I tried putting it on me and it ended up just like injuring me and it hurts so bad and squirted all over the mayor and I kept trying and I was like I'd maybe maybe hold further back so. Arms Link. Like. Did you accidentally by a pressure Washer? Well. How do you do with the days then? The process I'm okay with them now but like initially I was like it, it was just so it was too intense. I couldn't I just stand back. Yeah it's Dumped off the toilet. Can Okay only because you brought up the days. I want have maybe an embarrassing question to ask. I understand how like the days like? I don't know what the proper terms are. I'll call it a modern day right like the kind you plug into the wall and attached to your toilet when you're done sprays you and whatever I understand how those work. I've always been curious about the old stuff. What do they call them French days where it's a separate thing Joe Down Sink Right? What's the process there? Do you like? Like Shimmy over to it when you're done using the toilet and then I think you I think you'd get maybe you fill it a little bit because you can plug it but it also has the upward spray I. Think you like. You. Over it do you pump is up your us? Now it's just tap. It's like A. Sh- and it shoots up your asshole and I think you saw do this and then you can also fill it with water and Get up in I've never used one my grandparents used to have one and I just used to look at it and. Think. About. I can't the hope whole process seems. That process seems awful to me having to move from the toilet to a different device and then using all of that. I JUST Yeah I just don't understand how you do that her or why that's superior tonight. What you're worried about Pu fooling out of your but. Yes. No because the cheeks will hold it listen. Gavin you want to hear a disgusting story because I can tell you a disgusting store. Absolutely. Years ago. I was. Before Rooster Teeth I was probably twenty two or twenty three I lived in an apartment up in North Austin. And I got home from work and I had to go to the bathroom. So I was sitting on the toilet. And my cell phone rang, but I didn't have my cell phone we didn't have smartphone tried to all styles cell phone or screen or anything I. Love My cell phone in the living room and seeing the toilet. I thought Oh, that's my mom. My Mom was supposed to call me I need to talk to her so. I did that Shimmy that you would do from the toilet to the day I shimmied over to the the living room to get the phone to pick it up to talk to my mom. I just answered I was like Kelly back whatever. Then, went back to the toilet, finished my business and I walked out of the bathroom back to the living room I found. A little. Nugget. Like tiny tiny little bit in the carpet and I was like. I really shouldn't have done that. I. Should have thought this through. So I can tell you from firsthand experience he do not necessarily hold it in but what's happening what's happening that you've got freefalling nuggets at any given time after says wasn't done I was still on the toilet no, you must have had leading hanging Grogan. Harry. must've been. Christmas tooth again. That was a straight up dingle berry. I didn't think that was falling of your anus does you're walking? So I'm just saying you gotta be careful I was also wasn't bride I was doing like a really weird squawk. Did Not make the situation any better. I found I found a little a little third recently. You don't have anyone Chris was wrong with everyone no no, it wasn't mine. Is the dog. So I I suspect. I suspect the bugger. Occasionally. You just poop. Oh, God because there was one like morning. In I woke up and smelled like all, that's a pooped he pooped inside. And then when I actually got up I looked around and there was no poop I was like I could've sworn I smell poop and then the other day I I went. I went and took him out and I was like hide in Poop this morning. That's weird. Why didn't he poop and back in looked out by the rug by the front door and there were. Just, one little tiny little brown. Like Body Nugget poop and I was like is that a pooper is that a piece of dirt? and. So not thinking I, picked it up and it was like not soup. and. Go ahead. Sorry. Iowa. So my I can only assume that he pooped felt guilty eight it and missed one. So Chris in our chat over here I see Eric has a question for you and he asks. Has. Booger ever look you in the mouth. Hundred Percent Yes Absolutely. He's He's drinking out of my drink and I'll just read I mean you know i Chris now Chris don't do that. Don't know wonder your teeth a fallen out. I mean. I mean it's a dog like it's like he did it right after eight is poop I think this was. I I made sure he is a while. Is a good distance. Also there's I have a one hundred percent confirmation these. I've never seen. The dog poops inside and then eats their own poop is like the perfect crime it's the icicle. As a murder weapon. Sort of thing like he gets away with so much Benson's only. He's. He's only pooped inside once and. At once ever he such a good boy and it was clearly sick. Wow, he was clearly sick and he he went inside and then I've never seen him look so ashamed. And I felt so bad and I like profusely hugged him told him it was okay because he looked so bad. He looked so upset that it happened. That's a good dog. Really get dog. Benson? Is a good boy. Did He. Didn't try to eat it though. Speaking of pets. Eric, sent me a video right before the podcast started that I'm totally obsessed with. Someone trained their cat to hit different buttons. In order to indicate different things that it wants. So there's a button at taps and the buttons will say food. So if the cat wants food that goes impresses that button another button that says pets if the cat wants pets, it'll go and push that button. And there's one video where the person's filming it and the cats hitting the pets button and so the owner starts petting it but then the cat hits the mad button. Look the person petting the cat, the cat wants to be. Pets Pets Mad mad pets mad. We could have that kind of communication with all our all our pets. It'd be so much easier. You can understand I'm sure like if you have a dog or a cat like sometimes, it'll look I don't know what the fuck you want, what is it, and like there's no way to communicate. If we all trained our pets to use buttons, we would have no problems. Yeah. We're missing out on a lot of I like pets are a lot smarter than they can convey and we're and we don't understand. But like these button things cool because you can. Learn when account was to go outside when it's hungry that there should be a standard for all pets but maybe not with giant buttons will over the floor needs to be of. Technology. Thing like somebody says around naked says shit or the keyboard from big. Yeah, yeah and whatever. Play. Sticks the hungry. Pets think where because we're like I don't know what? Isn't it cats think humans just like big Deng kittens. Yeah. But we have so much more stuff. Like, Dr Icon but some people can. How you feel about babies moving sign language. Yeah. Ever a friend who go to. A do like dog hangouts and go to dog park. With and they were telling me that there's like they're like, oh, there's this new dog park that opened up. And you can get a special collar. And you can tell you which if every, all the dogs are wearing, the special collar can tell you which dogs your your dog is friends with. I'm like, why do I need to know like? What am I gonNa do like information like am I going to like call that dog? It'd be like Hey Like y'all friends or I could just watch them play. I don't know it was just one of those things that. You'll see who your dog is playing with. But already I can do that. I don't need to call her to tell me that. They're also like you're saying, what do you do with that information? I don't care if my dog has free. Well, maybe maybe you WANNA, take it beyond the dog park though. A French. You meet up later like a sleeping could do that. I could speed up, but you could do that. Anyway you could just be like if you see your. Dog Look playing with for you and I both know if that's if that's an attractive woman, you're GONNA. Those dogs or friends you know what I'm saying you're. GonNa. Okay. So maybe put the collars on the dogs. Love to the colleague. Ends up like my tooth. With. Married in ten kids I hate. It might don't teach those baby sign language. I don't actually know. Sign language thing. But I heard, I hear that it solves a lot of frustrations the Beta sign. Right real look at the biggest learn how to talk. Babies can do a lot that we can swim to. You can just chuck. I swear I'm not that impressed by that. Chris if you met what appeared to be the woman of your dreams and you introduced her to us and stuff and I looked into the future and saw that you were miserable with her and your kids and I told you, would you believe me sack it off? With you know for most people know but you're weird like. Gavin where I would like we're intuition. That's good. I would just look at you both. Chris. And Chris Chris. What if I was on the opposite side of the room and I went I went. To Go for a man? Dr. With The Devil and the angel but you don't know which one's which well I went. To she's good. I I would say I feel like. ELISA's very much prone to get people the benefit of the doubt and be at like look for the best in people and Gavin just has like. More, just good intuition. Instincts not say that you don't release but you know I don't. You're has right. In Chat here Patrick J D asks why does Chris too soon he's going to hate his wife. He really does I know I'm assuming amount assuming anything. I. Just. Hate my kids. Say. Surely weren't your kids because your kids you loved them no matter what. No matter. How much. They are what if they aren't really mine see Chris What's wrong with you you want to talk about this. Some underlying here. I've just come up with reasons why shouldn't get married? I think there's an expectation that if you have children you love them unconditionally. Yes. Do you think that's not not the way to do it. I think my love could be conditional. I know I I have this conversation with James Are Mike. I think I could go either way. Like. The kids are duds maybe I'm. Maybe I back away. Feel like mine is. Mine. will be unconditional with an asterisk like there are some conditions, but they're very specific. Got To, not do that. But may mainly unconditional. You're worried that. They're not like Chris Dogs. They're not gonNA eat their own to hide it from you. I mean, that's fine. That's not inherently bad trait. Chris. I don't want him to do it. Are you going to bench? Are you seriously gonNA defend shit eating on this podcast. I'm not saying I want him to do it and I'm not going to rewarded for doing it. But I didn't have to clean up shit. I bet if you checked boogers adoption description right now, it would like. Friendly with other animals, House trained eats owns fifty. Percent and Chris read that any new. I mean, he doesn't poop inside very often. So that's why it's hard to pin down because it's not like he's just it's like. It's happened a lot or where I suspected. It's been a lot. You know he's pretty good. He's smarter than that. I think he's smiling is there in she I think he did shit I think he's done a huge dump somewhere but in order to throw you off, he laid down a tiny nugget somewhere else. Thought that that was the main shit and he's mostly. One I thought you were gonNA say he's really smart and he's hiding under the mashed potatoes. I agree with this with Gavin, this might be some type of Brown herring situation. Book thought he could throw you off literally his sent. But if I know Chris like I know Chris and I think I do I. Think Chris knew about the shitting but Chris very inventive creative person who can think outside the box and he boxing he said I can work with this. 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My favorite part is that Eric is currently in discord going showing show the sturt show. By jobless. I I had it. I, had it ready it was ready to go, and then it was like Oh Shane. You gotTA show it now show show show show but anyway, your it is check it out. Can you do the pose and will fade between them? Try much bigger than the shirt though. Little but he's lost A. Little and then you have to go like this. Hang on wait I got this Gavin hang on I got it that the Listeners Eric. Zooming take should listen. re-centering the shirt. Already writing. About, here I think. Okay. Dot L. Y. Slash I am little Jamaica yourself because I don't see that anywhere. Yeah. Of course I made a big question. Is that yeah that ship before we got gurgle Yup girls coming so shane, Micky, go away. You don't WanNa. Look you say I am little. Eight it is bit dot L. Y. Slash capital I lower case M.. Capital L.. Lower Case Itt L. E. ON GUSTS. Attention. Damn not I am am little. Saith right. there. What movies from where someone's? A hero or a hero moment and the character goes because I'm little. Movies, that Stuart Little. No. James will movie is that We're the character has here moment in there like I can do it because I'm little are thinking of. Fantastic. tastic Mr. Fox. A. Movie Trivia. Is. I never saw the fantastic Mr Fox. Oh guest tonight. That's what you're. GonNa do the good. Yeah you'll enjoy it. It's quaint. It's charming. I'm desperate for stuff to watch I'm like. Running so low on the new. The new witches. I have not yet I want to. Move. Eric's right. Why don't they call that movie the mice. Because the winters are the things that haunted my night, my dreams as a child but what about the mice but children are the mice? They become is you wanted to book slash movie to be called the mice. Yeah. What seems like it's more. Than the witches it's about the mice. That's about the mice fight against the witches. It's about the wizard thing that store I don't I don't know if you understand the sentence you just said, but it was really it's about the mice best like cooling the terminator. The Sarah. Sarah. Connor. is a real hero. Yeah I mean. The called the TV show the Sarah Connor chronicles. Sure Yeah but that was after. That was a that was because you already knew what the Sarah Chronicles were. Sarah Chronic. You didn't know who the winner was before you watch the Terminator Chris. But you knew. But that's who it's. That's it's like the the stories built around the Terminator and they're all the other characters are reacting to it. The witches Schwarzenegger is. The Sarah. said. Over, the weekend I saw a documentary. that. I I watch a trailer for it and I thought it was a mockumentary. I was like there's no way that this is real. and. I sent a link to the trailer to Eric and I think Eric's response on text was my God what the fuck is this real. Can I watch this? It was a documentary called. What was it called? It was called tickled. It was about Oh. Yeah. We found the PUCK US I've we I remember talking about it maybe I wasn't on that episode or maybe I just forgot. Holy Shit it was about the call they called it. Competitive Endurance tickling or competitive tickle endurance. Saleh. Rabbit hole that one. Yeah it's about. People standing ten on my inhaling through my new tooth whole. People who participate in this pseudo sport where they get tied down and tickled by other people. But then it out that it's someone with maybe a tickling fetish who's funding the whole thing who blackmails people. Who? Is. Yeah question is like who? Would that be. surprised. Anyone. That's where the money's coming from. It was just it was just. A strange rabbit hole to go down at first you're like, well, yeah of course, someone's getting off on this but then it's like how vindictive they are about it and like trying to quash any questions into the organization or organization or the people who are doing it. It was just really weird. It's only like an hour and a half hour forty five minutes but a super interesting and then I, read that. The person who they think in the documentary person who they think was like funding the whole thing confronted the filmmakers at the Premiere at a film festival and like yelled at them for an hour or during a Q. and A. at I can't imagine being at that film festival watching the whole thing be like, wow, that was crazy. It was like Holy Shit the guy is here. And then didn't they make it into the documentary they were making. The premier or is that separate footage I? Think they did like a separate like follow up like a twenty minute addendum to the documentary time that that made it into that it was just like such a weird weird journey we're. Watching the trial, there's got to be a mockumentary. This is unreal. No it's real. Big tickle. The I haven't seen it but I, remember I think James saw and then like recounted a bunch of to me. But are the people that are competing? Are they like in some of them into being tickled or are they purely in a competitive spirit participating you get the interview very few people people were willing to talk on camera about their experience I. Think they had like two or three people and They said I mean basically their story was that they they just wanted money. You know it paid well, and they just wanted to to get paid to see a lot of just normal dudes who, yeah, just easy money and then the footage was being used to blackmail them right Thing really questionable about it. I guess like it's a little strange, I guess but. It's not like they were nude or doing anything strangely just we're tied up and tickled. Why is the evolutionary meaning behind? Being ticklish like what's the point? In that, but there's a ton of human stuffers. That makes sense from like a Predator point of view. But why are we ticklish? What are they come from and almost ticklish? Pick like a cat's belly is so of ticklish to. The attack you. Pets. Are We, ticklish? I think Evans rate. I didn't say why the? But I know you're thinking. You mentioned kind of like predatory stuff. Yeah. But okay what kind of Predator two. Blocks. The wires, some body parts more ticklish than others places. Your most ticklish tended also be places most vulnerable to physical tech. Once without bones to protect them like your stomach. This makes sense according to those who believe that tickling has something to do with learning to defend oneself. So what you've got no bones. Yeah. It's like the bottom of your feet have bones pretty close to them. Yes. True. Bar and they're also I feel that the most important part. is by brain like showy around my head should be more ticklish than it is even though there's a bone. Eric's right why the bottom of your feet but not the top. The boat is. There, much more prevalent on the top of the foot. There's some soft tissue, the on the bottom of the foot I feel like. I would like a foot that had the bomb on the top as well. Just email because dropping stuff on your foot and it's just it's own WanNa have a heel on the top of your. Really calloused. The filmmaker that made the ticklish documentary he made this other Netflix series or a little while it was distributed on Netflix called dark tourist where he kind of goes in does really. Macabre or extreme, and and. Essentially dark tourism look locales, ct goes and visits them. So he goes to a weird Bam pyre commune in New Orleans He visits like you know some more monuments stuff. I don't remember all the episodes. So I'm not the expert here. It's been years. I also get really stressed out when the cameras just on me. Look at it. Look at it. Keep talking keep talking. It's funny because usually when you're talking to someone face to face you like reading their face kind of as you talk as the reaction but what you look at your face, you just yeah. Yeah when we're when we're doing this podcast and then it switches to my my camera I'm like, Oh, I have no idea if anyone else's like she had like no. No the cross. No. It's pretty interesting. I feel like I've seen that I've never watched it but like when Lex Netflix's I've seen dark terrorist on their he seemed like a person who made it seemed like really. Like he had a really good for that kind of thing I'd be curious check it out based on my experience with him investigating the tickle King. I saw you tweeted that they're making they're going to distribute a Salim mini series on Netflix Yes, sir how big of the Selena Fan are you guys I grew up in south Texas lease Selena was huge. I only watch the movie. It's General Lopez she. Yeah she used to I grew up in a really small town. So but she wouldn't necessarily I don't think she liked the town I grew up in so she wouldn't play there but she would play like. A bunch of small towns nearby she would play communities in the Ariel time I remember. The last time I hung out with Eric a person we watched Lena. was back in like March he's. Not. Denying. He's I mean he's there's nothing to deny he. Remember when we watched Hobson shore at d-box. Yeah that was a weird fixture of people going to see that movie that was. The only time I've ever hung out with you sort of look I. Think I think it was, and it was seeing that movie and I still don't know who Hobbes's and I don't know who's shy as. We watched the thing. So what you watch that without watching the fast and furious movies. I've seen some of them like seemed like the fifth one. Seventh one. Yeah. Did. They see their ending the series at the twelfth movie. There wasn't there news about that recently. Yeah. Else they they say that, but that's more people watch the twelfth one. Mainline to. Ending after three more movies. And so much. Prolific James Bond movies at this point the so damn many of them that would be four trilogies. And that's the bay commitment after like. We're ending after three more. What would that be cool like a DOE DEKEL AJI? What? I guess, twelve trilogy. I. Guess. Like the alien box was a Quadrille injury, right? quadrant. Called it. I don't know. The. Technology. Sure. But we'll go with that. When are they gonNa go to the Moon. That's something they're gonNA do. Movie the Twelfth One twelve yeah. Let's the space. Was it. You who tweeted I think I learned about water on the Moon from at least today. I made a re tweet, but I didn't have any personal scientific findings or commentary. Bennett I learned about it because of you I, will forever remember in one single day I learned about a Salita series on Netflix and water on the moon both courtesy of alise. Wow I. Don't even know what to say I mean. I've seen, Selena you times I think the series promising horrible backstory of course. What else can I tell you guess I'd I I'm trying to see if there's any other news I know oh no no time to die rumored to becoming to streaming apple TV I. Think they said I think apple and someone else bidding for it. At least I look at your instagram and I don't learn about any of that stuff. I just see you running. That's mainly what I see. I like to do that I feel like it's an. Thing that just makes me feel good and I will wait a chronological or. Catalogue it for myself and surprisingly it's surprisingly watchable considering your like thank you a mid mid running. All over the place it's like oddly Course satisfying. Thank. You know in a way? It's I don't know how to phrase. Running with you backwards scary, right. except. On my couch. Someone to chat I didn't see who it was. Someone said there maybe call it a dozen. That's pretty good pocket. If they happen to do one more, just a Baker's dozen allergy was Kit Kitty Limbo said you call it a twelve allergy? Does the word ideas out there. Dole saw crystal Salojee. Still say that's twelve right. DASA. There's no say does it does Olivetti? 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What seven asked quietly pronouncing Selena like that because that's how you pronounce it. Yes I remember what she died of the. Spanish language newscast she was really only mainly popular on the border and. Like, in northern Mexico and a lot of the Spanish language channels were when they were reporting on her death professor named. Salina. Salina, how did she die? She got over Mandy President of her fan, Club Yeah. Yeah. It's like horribly tragic and twisted because she's just all accounts seemed like the sweetest person but such a bright future ahead of her. I'm curious I'm curious to to watch it I. Remember I remember when that happened like. I was in high school and there were so many people in my school just like crying and breaking down it like a loss day at school like people were just so upset and. Shaken by the news. That's crazy. It's amazing that some people have the ability just to like grind the world to a halt when they die I think there was A. It was supposed to be grant imahara birthday. The other day I saw lexin threads on read it. you know paying tribute to him talking about him but also saying like you know put her other. People who when they pass away like really shock you and. You know shook your life and It's just strange to like reading through that list like you have those who are all like really great people. It's a it's a shame that we lost so many of them. Even the granny hard. I. Was like a a really shocking at seemingly out of nowhere. Chadwick Bozeman to God you had traffic brought about that so recent. Terrible, tragic. Time in my lifetime was definitely. What Princess Diana just because the high profile of it. I feel that no one did anything that day. There's people crying in the street it was mental. Set. Headless. Now, Chris Please I remember seeing it on TV and then not understanding who it was and I was like there's a princess. Very unbranded for. Life. How old I? Was it. Ninety, six or seven, ninety, seven or eight thought it was ninety seven. It might be because the like. Aside, from the English, Canadians are so fascinated with the royal family. And so when it happened when I was little I remember like you're saying Gavin not to the to that extreme but it was the kind of thing where it was on tv all day for the next week. But I also remember when John F. Kennedy. Jr.. His plane went down. Like a big deal everybody was was fixated to that. I was at the book depository in. Dallas when that happened. I was I I was in Dallas, and it's like I've never been to the book depository I want to check it out and I was going in and I was buying a ticket and they had like CNN on TV's in the lobby as I was buying my ticket they cut away to breaking news and they were like JFK Juniors plane missing and this, and that was like well this. I'm never going to forget where I was when this happened well. I was at Martha's vineyard a couple of days before. The biggest. Chris had been Martha's Vineyard. Found it so weird that they spray painted like an x on the ground. Where JFK was shot. And he's just like a little bit morbid the you can. Stand right there on it and they've marked it. I. Feel like leave it blank could be nicer. To help wherever I drop dead there's an Emoji. EMOJI, would it be? Probably the like like facebook. I saw one of the here in Austin one of the local. Reported, there was a shooting last night someone got shot in Austin and they sent a tweet about it this morning and the included an Emoji of like the the Red Siren. I was like. What I like what you're saying 'cause like when I die I don't want a news organization to put an Emoji next to. Your treating Emoji. Like is an of language now. Like it's it's in, it's it's to stay. I mean I guess but like even emojis are different between different platforms. Right. There's no, there's no standard like everyone has a red siren, but it's going to look different on every plenty of you're looking at. So you'd be like damn it I wanted the iphone version of this. Right. That whole thing we talked about years ago like a cheeseburger Emoji the cheeseburger is constructed differently on every platform. There's no standard I didn't know that. Yeah it was like I think. Some of them, the cheeses at the bottom of some of the cheese at the top, some of them have tomato some of them don't some have led us on the bottom of some heavily on the top. Every cheeseburger emojis different. There's no standardization here. Some of them are clearly wrong. You would never eat a cheeseburger that looks like those emojis but they're still exist I always drainage. Go ahead Chris. Do people actually put the cheese on the bottom on purpose. So I thought that that was really weird and fucked up and the wrong way to do it until chef Mike pointed out to me that big MACs do it that way But she's at the bottom. Yeah. The why do they do it I? Don't know. So. The sauces such a major component of that. So you want the sauce on top. Maybe you're. So, weird that. Apple changed the Gun Emoji to like a war pistol. Guns Yeah. I mean it's. Like. Within language and within just normal words. Why I mean, you can still type gun you still ripe gun change to walk a weird choice to me to. Swap it for like a goofy maybe maybe there's an issue with kids like school threats and like Oh is that technically could that be interpreted as a school shooting threat or something like that? Yeah. I feel like if I got the same thing with the war though I would feel the same way about it. Yeah. used to read the room in for that water pistol nightmare. Yeah but. I mean I. can see why I can. See why they did it in the other sense of just like emojis being used in language it's really make any sense to me. The inference is still there. Yeah. I was I was thinking. Your tongue is on the bottom. You eat and that's where your taste buds are. So maybe that's why if the cheese on the bottom, you might taste the cheese i. Not on the very. It's not under it. Yeah. But like if you take a bite and then you're chewing, they're more likely to. Taste the cheese. Right. But when you make a cheeseburger, we did a video the other day Chris where you made a cheeseburger. Put the cheese. I. Put on Top my main sinks are on top right. Exactly. There exists tastic. Your tongue is on the bottom. Why isn't the tongue? In the see there's a big Mac cheese on the bottom. teases like the. But there's like three. Much Sandwich and big MACs. There's like three. There's three months to Patty's and one cheese it's like it doesn't matter that special sauce lettuce cheese get it right say it all. Pickles onions on a sesame seed Bun. It's crazy. I know how I feel after eating one of those and it's not good I want one so much right now. Chris. In the meet Eric Op. A BIG MAC so much makes big Mexican good but I'll just be miserable. Big. Mac burps. Good there's a Vegan God there's a Vegan Burger places pretty decent in the in the whole foods down at fifteen lamar. Next level Burgers they're called. It's good. You I realized. What. WHAT TEETH FOR TEN YEARS Ten years. As of like this month I this within within this week. Like this week I've no I've had Christopherson my life for a decade. James Welcome. TWINKIES for. Ten years. Kristen receiver ten years. Out. To everybody. What are you going to do for the next ten years? Or? I don't know it depends on. How tooth plays out you know maybe I'll get. Married To some. I link. Sorry. Go ahead. Sorry. No. No, that's all I had get married. Lady or or other patient who also had a tooth missing I dunno I think that rooster teeth should fill in that gap with a precious metal of your choice. Who should be your tenure gift, Guy? Yeah. It's. It's like when you give like a broken dish and you put like golden lay or something to fix it looks kind of thing just get like a little little platinum in their Chris. What about? New, then he'd be like a expensive sports car I. Wonder if what is the most expensive element I could put in my mouth because there's something better tonio plutonium. Radio active. What about some of? Like oh, tra- depleted uranium or something is that still? Bad. Probably. Still seems like right in your brain might not be a good idea. If it glowed in the dark, you'd never need a flashlight you'd be. You'd be set what about tungsten? Wolfram. We'll from Halif four NEOM is the most expensive chemical element ever. Doesn't really exist. It's been synthesized once. It's like one of those theoretical elements that whole that whole area down there in the periodic table like that's all bullshit not. Time. I feel if you had it even if it was for Split second that counts. In theory than. Eric Says California knows how to party. Them. Look at all the most expensive materials and a lot homer drugs. Omid Hammond. As, well, Chris. Figures that out I saw something that I meant when we're talking about big MACs, I saw there was A. Some kind of developing web. Who came up with a website that updates and lets you know if the mcflurry machine is broken at a at any McDonald's in the world. So like it checks their API for online ordering every thirty minutes. UPDATES on the map. Just shows you where to find McDonald's McDonald's tonight. Absolutely I, talked about it so much. What do you? What do you do you go for nuggets? Get Ten Combo with fries Negga double cheeseburger sometimes I upgrade drink to chocolate shake. and then I eat all at. Pig. Hey. then. You run it off. Kenny three or four three-set I get I get a rooster. Oh. I wouldn't know if I've five PASA mark where I've been at St more than half more than half of its existence. Yes. Yes. Ten ten is greater than half of seventeen. So yes. Oh okay then. I. Like the mass, a little complex on that but. I. Thought, we thought it'd been around for twenty years in my head I think two, thousand, three at least you should totally do another running video. Stuffing your face. is going. Through. It really stable. I would I would have to buy two meals because I would if I just bought the one and then used it on the video and didn't get to enjoy an actual meal, I would be disappointed so I'd have to buy. A really good idea accidentally. Yeah. Maybe you could. The one that you wasted enjoy could just be like a a cheeseburger. Well, how much of those still at night you know incense Recently. James. And I we were going through McDonald's drive-thru and he doesn't really eat it but he was driving and he So we are going through it and my order came to fourteen dollars. And he was like fourteen dollars for just a meal. Is it possible that it wasn't like we were getting any other food was just for me. What was what was the big price on their own flooring? Sometimes I get Sundays and then I add extra chocolate sauce. toppings to ship. Thought to do that. That sounds amazing. You have to. It's the only way to do it like like ask. Tell them to put. As much sauce on that will get them fired. Trouble boy. That's. Right you know how much source we'll get you fired. Yeah. Just slightly less slightly less than. That on. Chris I can tell he's got a sweet tooth he's thinking about it. My. McDonald's. Dolls that. Good Shit on it. Chris I wish that you were getting your passport photo renewed or your driver's license. something. You should. You should get one even save it. Feel next possible or something. Or. You should see if there's like a part that they can right into a little roosters josh can add for like. The. I feel. Quite bad up there. It's not like. Jim. CARREY's too thin dumb and dumber. Left it. Goods. What's his name in? The hangover at held at Ed Helms. POPs tooth out. You'll be able to tell the I think we've filmed like three videos. With broken. So Day tuned. Well this as well as well. But this the only one that's come out because we do it live the other one's GonNa come out in the future. I read an insane staff. Do you know how much? Google pays apple. The default search engine on an iphone. Yeah? It's a lot of money. Christina per year. Per. How much would you guess? One hundred eighty million. Hundred million I I read in this thing that it was between eight and twelve billion dollars a year accounts for like fifteen percent of apple's. Annual revenue. That's a shit load of money. It's a lot of money. What do you think I'm Steve Gould suddenly on your phone it's i. i WanNa Talk to I wanNA talk to Mr Google right now give me a single coming on me and Mr Google. Mr Google. I have a message for you. I'm willing to let you be my default search engine for the low low price of eight million dollars a year, not billion, eight, million dollars. A year Google will be my default search engine. Please contact me. You know how you've seen all my searches and let's cut a deal. All right that's it. Have a good evening Mr, Google Value Google get from that. Yes. I know what value I'll get it from it. I'm not listening to what you're making a deal with someone. You don't care about their side. You gotTa worry about your side what's my end of the deal? Near. Yes. Right. But the as such as the art of the deal negotiation. Right trying. If, you don't listen to my demands I'll use being. So help me God. For Duck Oh I think that's a search engine to I'm not sure but here's the thing it's not like. People can pay an amount if being. Wanted to be that. They can't pay like five billion and be on some of them they have to outbid. Google? So that is. The price of an there's a, there's other options to like Google's default one, but you can change it. There's other options in there I think duck duck go and being or both in their let me look I don't even know how to change it. I mean like they. Have Proprietary web browser correct well they've. How is that to set up apple? Feel try take in everything under their own. Taking in. Chip Manufacturing and shit why don't they just make search engine I don't have an iphone or a Mac. So I'm Kaz fairly out of the apple ecosystem and it feels good. I don't think they can make. Those feel good about I. Guess they don't have to. They would have to make at least eight to twelve billion dollars of. Revenue through their search engine to make it worth it. Right. There are four options you can change here. Google Yahoo Bing, duck. Oh. I wonder ask Jeeves. There around anymore. I wonder. If one of them was like just makes an offer just to make Google pay more. We'll pay you. Could. Backfire is that you? Can't take the hit. That wonderful if that go to bless. Yeah. They're like thirteen, billion and apple like. Shit when he cash. A lot of lawson everyone would be start using duck duck go. Who could feel like I want the money for it like I want I want to be paid by google to use it as. My angle I just did that. Eight million dollars I just want to I want to be able to, why can't I monetize it all these. Selling me. I make any money off me, right? Why? They making money with my information. Damn. Right. Ripping US OFF UK at least that's your microphone. Sorry My Dogs just being loud. That's fine. Wind Serb. Thing. Is Driving The traffic outside there's a lot going on in this apartment is under an overpass. No the he he james just going to take him out and so he got really excited but because he doesn't, he doesn't bark. So he just of wiggles his body a lot. And his his nails make quite a loud noise on the floor. So. Much. Benjamins. The same way he never barks, which is a great quality in a dog. I love how quiet is but same problem he's got nails and on the floor when he's walking around the worst in the middle of the night, sometimes they'll get a little restless to walk around be like Oh my God stop Wa just fucking go to sleep. I don't have that problem. Sometimes I have to hold a mirror under Benson's knows to make sure he's still breathing. He's He's been asleep forever along but. Benjamin is A. Deep sleeper and sometimes like he'll start barking in his sleep and if I call his name or if I yell he doesn't get up if I touch him, he doesn't wake up like I have to shake him and then he'll like stir. He'll look at me like I'm going to ask. You were the one getting your sleep dude. He doesn't understand why waking them up. You are being so fucking loud right now. Work what he's awake only when he's asleep they think. But maybe it's because he doesn't even get suboxone his dreams because you interrupt them. Joyce of balking I love when Benson roughs in his sleep because he doesn't Bark in real life. So I feel like he's living to his bullets in his dreams and he's always always running in his sleep. So I feel like in his mind, he's a three year old dog and he's living his dreams and how did you know that means Stojanov actually means. That means when he's doing that and his sleep, he's not dreaming about you. Were there I assume he wouldn't be balking well, what if he's dreaming about something bad happening to you and he's fighting to save you. I. Would. Just been ever howl in his sleep. Now I've never heard him Howell. The only time. I've ever heard Benjamin how is in his sleep? Sometimes, I'll be dead asleep in the middle of the night and I'll get like startled awake by the loudest like most mournful. Sad. How in the world? Over check on him like are you OK wake up and you like he wakes up and he looks around he's like a little disoriented. I. Really Wish I knew what was going on like I. Wish I knew what was that what that dream was Do you only call him Benjamin. Yes. Now. Here's. Some nicknames but but the default ninety, nine percent of the time has Benjamin. Slots syllables. This. PODCAST is brought to you by Dash. You want Chinese they want pizza someone screaming fro Yo. There's something for everyone on door Dash Jordache the APP brings you food. 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Don't forget that's code rooster for five dollars off your first order with door dash I feel like I have so many nights. I named him after Benjamin Linus from lost. That's that's how old he is. But I liked. He was the leader of the others. What happened to him in the end of that remember he turned the wheel. I don't think you. See Him until the thing at the church where everyone gets back together. I remember he killed. John Locke Spoiler. Kills Them. Eric Assane redemption been a long time. I really need to rewatch getting back to the island with Hurley Oh. That's right. Hurley end. And Benjamin there at the end Benjamin Linus. At the island. But people were wishing that I was a spin off. They wanted to see their adventures together. I've only seen the first and last episodes of lost. This is just all experience. I can't imagine what? Sorry, Chris. I feel like I should just watched the last episode I watched a couple of seasons of at some point. I was like I, feel like they're just treading water. They kind of went all over the place. When did when did the time travel stop? Time travel. Troubles, show. Yeah. Oh. My God. Yeah you find out that. They did a bunch of shit that. They caused a bunch of Shit. I guess. They like built the hatch that took Darin plane down. Is that what happened goes? Listen you've gotTa Regis you gotTa Watch out I'll admit the show suffers because the writers strike happened during season three I think two or three and things went a little off the rails for a while. Then it just had like long breaks while they waited for the strike to resolve. But I think I think ended up. Well, a lot of people don't like the ending. I thought the was great. It's fantastic show I'm in fact. I'm going to start tonight watch all you said you would lend me a bluer and you never did the covert happened dude. Like four years ago. What do you mean? Exactly Gus I. Also the reason we didn't want to talk to them Crystal Palace. So you twenty fifteen, you're catching on. So. I'll give you a list of like ten other things to watch besides rewatching laws. Foster so good. But Simpson, your list I'm curious to see. Okay. says. Go ahead now, bb. Bacon, says, this is like the fifty episodes of. Louis. PODCAST is. Lost was a weekly show. This focuses. I did recently get into Cobra Kai and I've binged seasons Cobra Kai netflix's I. Don't know if anybody else's watch that. That actually ended up being pretty good. It's like the modern update on the karate kid like what happened to. Daniel and Johnny from the karate kid like in present day I. Think. The original one. Youtube original and then I guess Netflix picked it up and Netflix's going to fund the next couple seasons. I think the first two seize on Youtube. They they weren't gonNA continue with it. They sold it Netflix and now. ended. Up being really popular NETFLIX's so they're. They're working on the next two seasons of that show I. Think it's such a testament to platform being everything. Yeah. You know because everyone could have watched it youtube premium but but just because I think the accessibility of Netflix and it's in your face and you kind of take it with the tacit endorsement if it's on Netflix especially if you see it rising in that that a netflix ranking. Because Yeah James James is watching all of it. He's a big kid fan though. And I kind of like that. It's this weird Cinderella story for Ralph. Macho. And I forget the other actor's name but it's kind of Nice that they are getting this little renaissance. Like also, I mean. No I don't remember got I saw. But I feel like he was inspired by that video. That was kind of popular for years ago about how Daniel Larussa was really. Karate Kid. The kind of into that Williams ABC is his name and lease. At PCA, there's even a scene in Cobra Kai where. That Williams. After he's sitting down and he's like giving his perspective on everything that happened in the karate kid and you're like, yeah, that's all really fucked up I feel bathroom. It's like, yeah, this isn't he deliberately trying brace on his leg at one point at the very end and that's kind of like written off his his his master was bad or his sent say was bad told him to do that. But like in his retailing Cobra Kai, he says. I had my girlfriend and everything was great. This kid moved into town from Jersey. Started interfering with my relationship we kind of got into it over the summer I didn't see him for three months. Then all of a sudden. Halloween. He attacked me. Out of the Blue I've forgotten about him. It's like, oh. Yeah. That is weird. The time on this movie's really weird. Isn't he wasn't he dresses like a shower or something. Like this kid attacking me on Halloween and they miss old guy showed up at kicked our asses. Bray damage. Price at the age of the kid in that in the movie. I always use a teenager, but he was like in his twenties. Are. y'All doing anything for Halloween, is just going to ask. Coordinating GonNa since I'd bless your Liam. Thank you very dressing up at home? Guess I'm GonNa Dress up as myself still special. What about you? I'm not doing anything. It's anybody else doing anything special I don't want to be like a rain parade. Why don't have any plans I'm not doing anything but I didn't get a costume. What you get Why could go put on right now do it Okay. Can I do that? Yeah. Go greatest school you'd have to ask permission to go do. You didn't give him his whole pause I had a costume I was going to get but then this month kind of got away from me it was more just because I thought it would be funny but it was to get a full Edward scissorhands costume with. The white face paint in the scars and the WIG and the the bondage in the SCISSORHANDS. And then I would just be at home wearing the school thing. I liked it. His name is Edward. SCISSORHANDS listed his scissorhands. Thing and. I. Got a costume for artifacts I guess I could put it back on its right over here. Dungeon the official dungeon master costume. Wow. This thing. Kristie. Mad. He went to get dressed in the dress. Your costumes better I've got my whole cost you ready to go and it's all tied up in my headphones now. Cut. Cut To me. Look better. Given I saved it. You didn't grow up celebrating Halloween In the same it wasn't like a huge deal. You can still go trick or treating their people would do it. This is not it wasn't like a big. Party night. I, guess I guess all the good stuff from Halloween wasn't there and all the kind of stuff was. A good night for Bev's these days. Matt Matt these days days back in the old in old. New a days. What would they give out in? England like mashes some match. Two spoonfuls of mashed potatoes straight into your hands. Soon. As a lot people not wanting to just giving me shit from that fruit bowl. you start using the mashed potatoes discovered booger hit something under their. Fogler. Win Chris said, let me put on my costume real quick. Is this how long everyone was expect? No I thought it would be like forty five seconds maybe maybe one minute. Okay I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me. Don't wondering. Space paint. involved. Maybe. He's. In full makeup. Do you think the podcast will be over and we'll all be gone and he'll come back to where did everybody go. Should we just leave? The. Odyssey, even the coach. Will be running. That would be really funny. Now. No. Well, we do anything to Chris I saw someone in chat who has this the board own asked if saw A. Stream among us on twitch last week. Yeah I, watched it. It was was really interesting to see what the third most popular twitch stream of all time. Wow, that was a that was fucking while I. Think when I was watching, there were four hundred, sixty thousand people watching at the same time which twenty like I saw I saw like she announced on twitter that she was going to be streaming on twitch streaming among us and there was a really snarky reply right away though it's like who asked for this nobody's GonNa Watch and then like that night four, hundred and sixty thousand or watching, of course. A lot of people being like. Not do any work. All Right Chris what you WANNA walk through it. You don't know what I am I Chris I'm giving opportunity to walk through it. We know where you are. Tell US scion listeners okay. Yeah. So I'm I'm Finn from adventure time and with Booger who is Jake? Who looks like Jake? So, we're finished jake from adventure time. The players. Yeah and check out my shorts just good costume. Yeah, let's see shorts. It's good to. Be careful standing on rolling share were about to get a full moon he stopped. We're getting instead a sack of potatoes there in the front. My. Blood. They could have been. A I don't think so. Are you wearing underwear Chris. I don't know I changed really fast. So fast. Now I mean, that's Great Chris. Thank. You We're going to be wrapping up here pretty soon but I feel like would be I would be remiss if we didn't remind people to go out and vote if you're curious to get more information, go to. Gamers vote. To find out what you need in order to go vote the elections next week lots of early voting going on I think sixty million people have already cast their vote. I voted already I voted Chris voted already Gavin and at least you can't vote but. I appreciate encouragement So go vote it's going to be a historic election by all measure. So take part in it, go do it like Eric said it's not cool but go do it All, right. Well, let's let's go ahead and and wrap this podcast stop. Thanks everybody for watching and We'll see you next week. Bye.

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410: Gulp with Blaine Bublitz

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58:04 min | 7 months ago

410: Gulp with Blaine Bublitz

"The maniacs listening to another episode of Shop Talk Show. I'm Dave Bundle of funding group very with me as Chris. Compressed and optimized for your. Hey Chris how're you doing fantastic We have a great guest on. I didn't even you know I've I have never met Blaine before. We have blamed doublets here. I say your name right a blind. Yeah Hey at least you got. You got it on the first shot which is impressive. Thank you thank you experiences. A radio show host. Which is ally helps me. None and I'm terrible names but anyway I'm kind of a fan of one of the projects that you work on heavily which is Gulp. This is going to be a show about golf. Everyone at least partially but of course plane works on different things in his interested in lots of things. So we'll get into that too but no avoiding it Even your twitter bio says Gulp Jess lead. So that's you man. No Yeah Yeah. Yeah. That's me I I kind of Decided to claim the lead title A few years ago because I was not an insurgency. I love exactly exactly I. I was not the creator. I will A guy named Contra created it in Arizona where I live and I got involved early on but I was never like the lead maintain er- or anything like that. I just helped out For the Gulf four released I was kind of the a visionary and the main developer behind that so I just decided to claim that Lee Dave Title Great Okay. So so so just you know. Let's do the due diligence. A little bit Gulp isn't your Your job job or is it. It's not it's It's mostly a hobby right now for Before my current job I actually was trying to make it into a job. I was trying to do different funding avenues and figuring out a way to not only make it sustainable but also helped me get by I about a year ago. I joined a company called tight-lipped which is working on getting money into the open-source ecosystem. So it helped that. I had a lot of experience in in net space. Well that's nice so I'd I'd almost call you a developer developer in a way you're one of those developers who build tools for other developers and even works at a job where the point of that company is to do things for other developers. You know I'm sure you've you know built client facing sites in your lifetime. Plenty to but but it's interesting now that you're so focused on developer experience things right. I never heard it described that way but yeah I definitely feel you there I I like building things to developers more productive and and just like developer experience. And things like that so it's something that I've been really passionate about for a long time. You're at tied lift Gulp lead and let's leave it at that for a minute so let me just. This is like for an outsider. Perspective of golf has I think it's one of the most like interestingly placed tech things in a weird way I thought that was a terrible intro. But but here's how I see it. You know there was there was there was nothing and then there was there was like grunt grunt was first in. Greenwich was like you should have tasks. I'll watch your files. I'll run tasks and that was like an awakening experience for the Dove Community. And this is like a bunch of years ago. You know. And that's great and then Gulp came along. I what feels like to me after I have no idea when their foundation dates is but it seems like Gulp was like a new player in somehow kind of took the lead. I don't know how many years took but if feels like gulp at some point got cooler than grunts. People liked the Gulf approach. Better in perhaps because in golf. You were just like writing node. You weren't making a configuration file and when you were like just writing node it opened up more possibility like if you needed an escape hatch to do something else it was right there or it just felt more natural developer ergonomically or something and then. Gulp trucks on eventually Gulp for comes out but it seems like there was a lot of time between three and four perhaps and that four had like API changes and stuff. That were weird to people. Feels like kind of that and you were one to release kind of like Whoa. This is way different kind of vibe but I get at. There's cool stuff. So maybe we'll jump. Maybe we'll upgrade. Maybe we won't but then even that feels like a number of years ago. You know go for number of years ago. It feels like people. Don't you're not like seeing lots of tutorials about gulp anymore for some reason it to like crunch before it feels a little like older something in that if you like today you're like. I need to do some stuff with my project files. You're like okay. Well the the modern ones that there's a million tutorials minute written about is like web pack impersonal and roll up a fire or whatever all these ones are but those guys they feel like they're in a different category because they're all about bundling and grump was grant or both crunch 'n Gulp Gulp is what we're talking about just like did stuff. It wasn't naturally a Bundler like to compare web. Pack directly to Gulp isn't fair. They don't really like the same thing. So you're like okay so I need a tool. That don't want web pack right now. Let's say for this project. I just need something else like. Is it still gulp? I feel like there's a lot of developers in that like they say it like that. With like a shrug at the end there like is it is gulp still the thing that we use that was going to be. My question. Blaine HIS GULP. Dead is what do we catch us up? Yea did I characterize that correctly or do you have a different view of how that went down. I think you I think you kind of characterize it very correctly. I just saw a twitter read the other day. That was basically like asking that question. Like it's Gulf still the thing It's I think that Gulp and again I I haven't putting a lot of work into it and But I didn't come up with a lot of the stuff early on a lot of the a lot of the branding. A lot of the Way that we talk about ourselves And things like this so we were always the streaming build system But I've never really viewed Gulf as like like only that we are. We are like the low level plumbing to the stuff that you need to get done right So we actually just did kind of it. Not I don't WanNa say it was rebranding but we did a whole new Website Update and with that. We also rewrote our content For our homepage. And we had to really think about like do we wanNA keep saying the streaming build system. We kind of go back to this idea that we are a tool kit to enhance an automate workflows. Whatever that means really right like you can use pieces of gold without using other pieces of Gulp you can use the task system without having to use the streaming system like the file operations. You can use the Heil operations without using the task system though. I don't know why why you would wanna do that necessarily but you could And the goal four release was really about bringing us to that point right. It was about bringing us to look good core features. Good core like things that you can build upon right we we. We vary We we kind of Hardened are streaming implementation. There's some really cool stuff that we did with our shaming imputation that you wouldn't see in most node streaming libraries The task system takes into account like all of the way that all of the ways that Java script and no developers develop so like it has a sink. Await support It has Call backs promises. we've been doing ventilators so like we have full support their You you mentioned something that I think is very interesting. I thought a lot about is the the tutorials. We haven't had a lot of tutorials. Come out but I feel like any tech. That's sufficiently old doesn't get to oriels because like they're just a mainstay right like you can grab Gulp. If you know node you can write gold code. You can write your goal file and along with that we've also spent a bunch of time getting nano developers up to speed Through the Gulf documentation. So we we have a whole new getting started guide that was released with Either with a right after it was released. I bet there's a lot of developers out. There is probably no note a little better because of Gulp you know. Sometimes it's an entry point for some dads like I need to do this and I understand that it's written in node so I guess I'm writing node some of that confuses me like you. Did you have to write your own promises implementation? I would think I'll note has promises so gopez promises like I don't know like you know what I mean like. Wh what's the connective tissue? There doesn't need yes so and we didn't write her own promise. -Implementation you can use whatever is available in the run time but the thing that's hard to deal with is the Gold supports all these different types of synchronicity rate so promises callback streams etc And our task system needs to actually have that embedded at its core so essentially if you return a promise from a Gulf task we need to know how to wait for. Were that promised to be completed to move on Same WITH STREAMS. Same with basically anything that we support. We need to know how to wait for that stuff to be done. That'll be deal to me as a user. Because I wouldn't. I definitely need to be able to tell Gulp these. These tasks can run in parallel. Maybe but for the most part what I write up fouls they're they're pretty not they're not. They're they're like do this. Then do this. Then do this because some of it might be like that first task right something to the file system in the next task might look at the file system again. Maybe that's a bad example. Because maybe you're not supposed to do that with streams you're probably supposed to just pass it along or whatever but but it feels like that's just an example. Sometimes you really like just need the task before it to like be done done before you do the next task. Yeah Yeah for sure and I mean there's some there's some really cool stuff that you can do with the new system in in Gulf four Usually don't recommend them just because like they're very advanced than we get a lot of support requests for them in our issue tracker if we recommend that people do the advanced stuff so we try not to do that but Gulps task system is is all curry it's like partially applied. So you can build up your workflow your task workflow and then you can call that function at a different time. So you could you could actually Like pass data long theoretically but these are these are very advanced techniques that I usually don't document or recommend it's just that if you understand the fundamentals of how Gulp works than you can really get yourself in some deep weeds. That's kind of the whole plumbing aspect right like people could build libraries on top of Gulf war or things on top of Gulp and they can abstract those those complexities away from their users. Okay Okay sub shop talk show is also brought to you by ex team. That's ex- dash team dot com slash shop talk show ex-team allows you to work from anywhere for the world's leading brands and get supported to do more of what you love as a developer. 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So I have We've tried to break down these barriers on our terminology n dog not terminology. We keep using things like task and workflow to kind of conceptualize art to bundle these ideas into words that we can talk about But task is is just a function But what allows you to do? Is that allows you to kind of bind those functions to command to your command line in a really easy way And on top of that we also were talking about like Running I think you said you WANNA run this task than this task this task And so also allows you to compose functions and a very I mean I I wrote it. So I'm very in a very elegant way The so you can We expose your task to the Command Line. And we provide methods series in parallel. So that you can kind of combine all of these tasks or functions in in any way you want And I think one thing that sets tasks apart from any function in note is that they have to all be acing crans so we were talking about how we support promises on. If you have a function that returns the promise you can assume that. That function is a synchronous. Because you don't know when the body will finish executing this I think gulp was. One of my biggest. I mean think I'd done nascent programming before but just getting used to that idea that. Oh this like compiling my css that can happen. That can finish whenever like maybe before I even like compiled the side or something like that but the to is like source grabbed these CSS file or SAAS FILES THAN DOT PIPE. It to some other function like prefix than dot. Pipe that to the destination or whatever and it just was very cool but it was also took some like kind of I guess brainstorming around like okay winwood this finish up. Oh it could finish up whenever okay. Okay I feel like rethink how. I'm you know how how my life works there. Like like I guess like series of tasks like how do I serial is some task but then how do I like also just like don't care like can I run two things at once? I thought that it was very challenging to me in the early days but I in many very used to just programming note or kind of being more as synchronous sort of person urinate synchronous person. I'm an asynchronous I really don't care when it gets. This broke the SAS barrier. I think that to me that seems like a big one in the world that I live in is that I have a project. I WANNA write SAS on it. Let's say still super popular. I use it on several sites like it is going away anytime soon. People the people they like it So you you need to run SAS now if you look at the stocks that'll be like well. We have You know DART SAS is written in a way that you can use it via node two you know and and and here's our little. Api You hit it with these files and it returns. Nobody's GONNA use SAS like that. I'm sure very few people run. The SASS Cli stuff super directly just use their API direct. LemMe maybe right like an PM script to do it. But then you're like editing your package dot Jason when you add a new SASS file to watch. It's like having some kind of abstraction level that's like this is the file with that has the configuration of how we process arse asset this company. Especially because it's not just SAS as Dave said it's probably like I'm gonNA run South Veneman. Iran auto prefix. And maybe other postseason stuff if I want to. Then I'm in a minute. That's three things in a row so I need to like be in all of these things are asynchronous like we just talked. How long disaster take to take a to process? I Dunno as long as it does. It might be ten milliseconds or might be a minute. It's just who knows same thing with all these steps so I have to write some code. That says do this runs ass do this runoff professor do this. And then when you're done go put it in this folder over here because in this in this house we put our CSS and CSS folder. You need something to do that in their precious few options out there in the world to do it up you like these days. It's like either one gulp. You know. No I I mean I can't Actually I love SAS. We use it for her website. And I love that you can embed your media queries inside of each selector at just think that that is amazing. If that were all that. Seth did a fight with this. That's a big one. Yeah nesting and especially missing media queries right. L. Yeah that unwraps it backwards right as it really interesting to me. I would say I'm fine with people using command line tools. I'm fine with people using 'em Kim scripts. I don't think that necessarily competes like like you said Gulp doesn't compete with web pack. It doesn't it doesn't in my opinion it doesn't really compete with command. Line running things on a command line. We have a command line tool. It's not like it's not our direct competition but things that we do well are Like I feel like almost no command line that you run has like Glob thing like if you do star star slash or like you do s you're s CSS director slash star Star. Like every seal. I was going to deal with differently. And maybe that gets me all the time in frustrates. The hell out of me. And it's probably because I learn Gulp I and it was. That's a big deal as best I ask because you're like please watch all my sass files please. But we're we've only talked about so far Gulp isn't just for SAS. We also have a set of tasks for Javascript and I also have a set of task for Svg files and I even have a set of tasks for html files or PHP files or a project. That I'm working because there's things in there I wanNA update so it's like big groups of tasks. Yeah I mean it can do everything right like you. Can you can find plug INS for creating much? Anything you can think of That was something that I think we did really well is that we didn't try to silo off the plugin community I would say that that has led to varying qualities of plug ins and we are actually thinking about maybe raining some of it in and on the maintenance of some plug ins just because we've seen them people get bored it's open source. People get bored people move on to other languages or get a job or the gotta get paid somehow So we've been considering like as a as a more a larger team now maybe Starting a we actually already started it. But it's not really popular yet but it's called community Where we can adopt and help find maintainers for plugging And I think like you said you can find plug ins for all of this stuff that you're doing and if there's not one you can actually just in line the code that you need right. You don't need the SAS plugin it's Nice. But if you just need to compile sas you can install the node fast library and call that as part of your task. It's not right. See that's what I I I will. This is what I like about. Goal versus other Competing products will call them 'cause I know I know how to like I could select all the markdown files in my blog and then I could figure out a way to like translate it like send it to like Google translate or something. I don't know some API that translates into Spanish. And then I can write out a file file with the same file name. That's dot Spanish dot markdown. Or something like that and I know how to do that. I could write that in Gulp but like you know. But then it's like okay debuts grunt or use web pack or you know it's like Oh man. I sure hope web pack has web packed transformed English Spanish marked down. You know like I like. I don't know like my skills. I guess too like like my my file manipulation skills feel like they don't transfer to the other systems in. This is what I really like about like the goal is. If feels like programming to me. It feels like oh I just write little. Oh almost like I. I've been thinking about this lock New Year coming on the show. It's almost like a apples. automated her that they have that. No one uses. Maybe that it's even dead now but But it's it's like apples automated. You can or shortcuts that's on the IRS. You give it an input and then you tell you can't construct the way to output and that's it that's Suck things in things out. And that's what it does one hundred million times a second. It loves it. That's what I love about goal in somebody who writes cloud functions I do. It's just something I've been doing lately. It's relates to my job and also in node it then. It makes this kind of like return to golf. Feel even more comfortable. Because I'm like I'm just working in note anyway. Gulp is no. It seems like that was a good choice is to just kind of stay in regular ass node. Land hanging on maintain plug INS Because that happens I know you think about you know Dave you know I know. Well I got a bug report. Go ahead that's it. We just know that that happens. If there's ten thousand GULP PLUG INS in the world. I'm sure nine thousand of them are abandoned. You know it's just the way it is. Maybe they're fine abandoned because it just doesn't matter if they do something that doesn't matter anymore or something but like Gulp itself matters and look look. How many leads there are like it's just you right lane if you weren't born or there was no blaine or something. Maybe four never happened to maybe Gulf itself was one of those abandoned projects it was. Isn't there a risk even there? There's definitely risk And this is something that I've thought a lot about actually like one of the big pushes on Gulf floor and the thing I mean I I will take a lot of the blame for for for taking so long. Come out because I you know I. I am to an extent a perfectionist and I it was my my beautiful little Painting that I wanted to be perfect And eventually I just had to release it with a I mean I think we only have one major bug in the first month that was out and we got that fixed almost immediately so it was really cool to have it released in be so solid but One of the big holdups other than me was that I was. I really wanted to build a team. I don't think that I that I know enough about file systems or enough about command lines or enough about any individual piece of the project. Even though I have all of that in my head about volt I wanted to build out smaller teams with multiple maintainers that can help in those areas right so we have grown the team from basically like two or three people to. I think we're up to thirteen now And we're continuing to try to grow the team For people that have worse specialized areas whether that be leaving triage right? We have a triage team as part of the Gulf Court t now interesting. It sounds like you like it. You know like you wouldn't be doing this if you there wasn't some kind of like some part of you. That just like enjoyed this. Yeah doesn't sound like it's for the money it's not it's it's rewarding. It's also frustrating at times. Like people non ironically saying that it's dead or why would you use it or things like this Or angry people in issues especially doing like the Ford Auto Upgrade It can be frustrating but it is also very rewarding to see that. It's like I mean just to hear you say like there's not really anything out there that you would grab there's not another tool that has kind of replaced it There's a lot of tools that are alternatives. Especially if you have very specific workflows but there's nothing that straight up has been like. Oh we have completely replaced it with better ideas because I think the idea that it was founded on are very solid and and and it has made me learn a ton about node. A ton about programming. I've been working on Gulp since like helping out since twenty thirteen And almost seven years now in delile seven years and I have only been doing software development for ten years so that were great. Yeah I I hear people like that from like the wordpress community and stuff too. That are like this was my. This is my project and I've just been at it for a long time and it basically is me as a developer. I see on the Gulf jazz website which is brand new by the way. Congratulations you've got. There's some clear momentum. They're nothing like a fresh coat of paint right. Yeah thanks We put a bunch effort. I I was in. I was visiting a friend in Bulgaria on in February and She wanted to transition from more depth centric to more design in front end work so I was like well. Hey the Goldman site is really old and crusty. Do you WanNa do like an information audit and figure out the things that we should have on the website out like the the new design and things and she really jumped in and and produce something that I am blown away by. I'm really happy with with the result. US great and it has a little bit. I think we're I'm trying to go with this is that sometimes it's astounding in open source like how big of an impact something can have how many users it can have how important it is to people and to have that beat one hundred percent unrelated to the profitability of that project with with most open source making hardly any money at all. You know in the superstar. You know the anywhere where that's not true. Feels like a dig rarity. You know the fact. That view makes enough money to like you know it makes them kind of a superstar of the open source community. Because they make you know I don't have any numbers but they make enough money that it's not embarrassing you know And Not that. Not that how much you are. I have no idea what your numbers are. But isn't that weird? It's like cash. You could make a a fricken mobile game with a little race car that runs around the track and sell it for five bucks on some APP stores and make ten times more money than you could an open source you know. Is that true or does that is that? Is there a way to? Is there? A way to extract some money out of this for real not that you want to like quit your job or anything but like I hope is huge. Where's the money Yeah there's there's a lot of options right and Gulf Especially through my efforts before I joined tide lifts and ongoing just like helping the team We've been really working towards different avenues right but one thing that that you could make a lot of money on that. We haven't decided to do yet like just as a team we. We don't necessarily agree with putting advertisements on our website or documentation So we've not on that avenue and I know that you can make a bunch of money there we've instead opted for With this new website launch especially we've opted for a corporate sponsorships that get their logo placed in a rotating banner or individual contributions that. Get you to show up randomly In the individual backer section. So there's a little bit of money they're like those are that's trod territory for open open source projects right like throw a samba. Throw us a few bucks you know. But isn't there. I mean like I said I have no idea what your numbers are but I've never heard a story that's like this is paying the bills. Get My lambeau with these. Five dollar donations. You know right it. It definitely does not. It definitely does not Replace a job We are part of tied. Lift I I am not. I am not the Gulf person for tide lifts just because of us of interesting. Yeah You Employment. Law Stuff The we we have one of our our Japanese maintain her Or core maintainers. She is actually the lifter. Become tied was the benefactor of money It's the person that supply like completes the work. That tide lifts needs done. So tied lift is a managed open source subscription for large enterprise companies. So if you're a large enterprise company and you're using Gulp in you need additional assurances and and benefits just using the open source code. Then you would subscribe the tide lift and Some of your subscription money would go back to goal And then you're provided those guarantees and assurances from one of the Gulf core maintainers. What are assurances? We're not gonNA break your stuff or we have a SLA or something yeah. It's very similar to that. It's like if there's a security vulnerability that affects us. That will get it complete. We'll get fixed quickly That will just continue ongoing maintenance There's also Sharon says around licensing and how like we will provide those assurances to subscribers of toddler. No that's cool so if you're a big enough you know you're a you're a ten million dollar revenue of year product you're middle-sized kind of company. You're starting to be at that level. Where like if we're going to pick some software. We're not just going to grab it off the shelf anymore. I think maybe some of it but like the most important pieces we want those assurances that things are going to be okay and we have some money to throw at it. Is that the kind of in our our the numbers public here. Like what is what is a a a Middle Tier Company like that pay for if they want. These insurance is for Golf. Is like fifty bucks or is it like two thousand bucks. I mean I guess you don't have to say but it's interesting to me. Yeah also. The title of subscription has pricing models on on their website right so But it's not just that you're paying for just Gulp. It's that you get the whole catalogue of open source software housing so you're able to have these assurances for a lot of the software that you're using and it starts at some of our initial plans start at like fifteen hundred a month with a year term so You it would definitely be like you were saying a much more Like ten million or or a a large company making a lot of money. It's not like the start ups right but it's a company that needs these Guarantees needs US extra layer that it's risk management right like you need when you start using open source when you go to a certain size you need risk management. Yeah Mo- it's Pricey. The the baby plan is fifteen hundred dollars a month. But it's that's nothing for a for a big forbid company that what what you're buying is is That's awesome and so I guess the name comes from rising tide lifts all boats. Yeah so that's why you can't do a one off okay. They just was saying it makes perfect sense to me any company these days. You know. We're starting more and more just to offload to whatever we found. Mpm I'll I'll just mpm install that and not a work. I guess it works and hopefully it's around forever. You know fingers crossed like I think. Companies need more risk management or just assurance than just like hope. It still works you know. That's you can't build a business on that so I think sensible companies would be like. Yeah we should probably support these people in whatever facilitate support Has like individual contributor thing you can do or whatever but this seems like cool. 'cause YOU KINDA get that contract like hey I'm paying you but not just like 'cause I'm your buddy I'm paying you 'cause I will call you one day if it's harming my business you know. I think that's smart to some the IT offers a lot. Yeah no I I agree I mean this is this is why I joined the company right like I think that this is a good business model to push mower. One eight hundred fixed gulp. You get that phone number. Goes right to blade hotline. That's up so okay. So that's that's cool. Yeah I feel like I was almost feel like there should be more like gulp sharing parties or something. It's like I dunno whenever I read it gulp file. I'm like I like your resistible urge to share it with the Bobi like look at what I'm doing. Did I do it right I. There's one time I made the most beautiful. Svg PROCESS MO- planet. And I can't find it. I don't have any idea what client but it just sucked a folder. Jeez and you say cheerio manipulated Nice. I always Kinda like avoiding cheery off I can just because it's a big cheating the big one and it's like I don't know but the benefits are of is if you have malformed. Svg It will tell you that which other a CD things won't hey shop talk listeners. 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I'm like see districts for example where I might WanNa change the look of the imbed because we're redesigning the site or just WanNa fresh and things up or something and have that theme change over the entire site so of course I do that if you need several a bunch of themes just go pro and you have unlimited of them which is cool just one of a dozen or more features you for upgrading to pro on Kopechne. Here's here's one though that like so you do your Svg. Dave you gotta go. But then you're like you link-up the sprite somewhere in you know. I I do this for some advertising stuff too is that now. I have the the final file or like I have a file that represents like some ads on the site or something just like an. Svg's sprite would be too and that is intended to be like Ajax Dinner. Something but the intentionally cash the crap out of Al Tel Browser cash at the browser level. Like you know you know. Please cash this as heavily as you can. And if I want a cash busted then it's on needle exchange the query string or something so I'd have an svg process that does this svg processing and then goes into whatever other files. Maybe some javascript files that were the. Ajax call is performed or html files if it comes from there in in manipulate those with a gulp task to break that cash kind of manually. That's all and see. I like shop talk. Show website we use Gulp and we have a SAS process too but I never got around to wiring up. The the cash busting in our hosting is needs that you know so like if I change them. The shop talk show website. I have to go to the header. File fine where it links up the SVG and change the query string manually to a new number otherwise after I push you won't see the CSS changes because it's still cashed. The rather than you know. It's a gulp task away. Just gotTA write it right. Yeah can ask plane. I feel like it was like maybe as go two to three years. Maybe like two to four or something. There was like a dependency thing it might have been with Gulp. Sasser like Gopi Choky. Dr Have no idea but it was like it prevented upgrade ray and I think you were kind of in that situation where the goal project was where it was like. Hey use the new version of GULP use a new vision of its way better but then you're kind of pinned down by Luca. Some popular dependency. Is that like? Maybe you remember that story a little bit better. But how do you? I guess the question ultimate question. I WANNA ask Whatever ask is how how as a maintainers do you handle like somebody's dependency getting popular in hamstringing your project town does. How do you work in those confines? That's interesting So something that. We have strived very heavily were. I don't know how long this lasted once. You reach seven years certain things in the fargo past very fuzzy We don't break the plug in API. So Chris was talking about how the upgrade for the breaking changes from three to four difficult to to get over. But the thing is that we decided to do with that With our our major breaking changes there were that we didn't break the plug in. Api so that. It's only on your only waiting on your cell to do the upgrade right if you are using Gulf three and your and you don't have the time to upgrade to four your Or you do have the time. You're not blocked by plug in not upgrading right. So the three the three to four. We shouldn't have anybody as long as the plug INS. Were behaving correctly. We shouldn't have anybody that you're waiting on. There was a there. I think there was a few plug ins that actually were using Event Stream which we banned like even before gold. Three like we said that. Don't don't use event stream because it doesn't actually create real node streams And so we. We recommend that everybody used the through to library for Plug Ins. And so if any if every plug and that you're using was following those guidelines for using through to than upgrading from three or four was should have been No problem as well. I mean. Obviously it'll be a problem because the guy breaking changes but You're not waiting on anyone. I didn't find three to four that bad. I'm sure lots of people. You have lots of evidence that people did. But it's just syntactical stuff you know. I could see the kind of reasons behind it. It seemed fine. What killed me for a year. Which is this is like just very specific to me in my own lack of knowledge here this is not symbolic of all but there are some thing where like the guy was just like baked in the Gulf now or wasn't a second separate package or maybe it's the exact opposite maybe it's broken off now and it wasn't before something also the version number of like went down somehow instead of up. I Dunno is kind of confusing and and that I had some old version installed at my computer. Just not let go of it and it just. It just wouldn't run. It would cause airs and then it turned out it you know. It was installed in some weird sub folder and I had to root it out and delete it and after that it was all good so please people are having trouble with that. I remember how to fix that of Imia. Yeah and One of our our maintainers think jumped in and helped you like and this is why I don't This is what I wanted to build a tease. Because I would have never known those commands. Sarong to like figure out where that file was existing on your computer and and how to remove it right like how. How did it get there? How do they get root for missions? Like I don't know enough about the terminal to a even solve that problem for you But I would say so. Yeah we did. We did have a A. That was a big breaking change that we had were kind of forced into doing because the command line like Galt like the Gulf Core Library. The thing that you import like require gold or import goal is only like eighty lines long. It's not a big library and so the majority of installing Gulf was dependencies and then we used to ship the command line built into the main package rights you would install gulp globally android install locally But this actually caused us a bunch of headaches one of virgin number your global version number would always have to match like your your local version number and when we started working on Gulp Four. We were like oh well. You can't have a Gulp Command. Installed that runs three and runs four. If you're if you install the three version it will never run fuller. And if you install the forber tion we could theoretically include a ton of code so that it would run the old one But that would below the Gulf package. So what we decided on as a team is splitting out in the command line into its own library so GULP. Cli exists as a separate library now and That is version independently of GULP so When you saw your number go down you went from Gulf three dot nine or something to command line version two dot one round because we started the new command line at version zero right because it was brand new thing we were developing from scratch. And we don't do. We don't do mono repos like a lot of projects are doing these days. We actually have like sixty. Some will get on. Board is better anyway. I oh man. I don't know I don't know I got got go. Packages aren't aren't created only to use in Golbright. So Monterey Pos mostly namespace things in N. p. m. and the goal packages like they exist. Outside of other people can use them. Microsoft actually built a tool on top of core libraries because they didn't want the streaming implementation They just wanted the task system so they took all of the the libraries that I wrote for For gulps tasked with them and they just built their own build tool And so if we were named spacing it would just be a little weird right. It'd be like import at Gulp J s slash undertaker To build your your task system. That just feels a little weird to me. I know it's fine. It's just a naming thing but I wrote these libraries to being used by everybody like I see we have a. We have a library called interpret. That is like one of the if you if you've ever named her gulp file anything but Goldfield Dot. Us If you've named that goal file coffee if you've named it go file about babbled jazz if you've done If you've done your web pack can fig in any language that wasn't just pure J s like if you've done the same thing your web pack dot Babble Dot J. asked Then you are using interpret it is. It is like a library to to registered transpires inside of node and if we had things namespace at Gulf Jazz I just feel like they would likely be used less by people Not only because it's a discover ability issue right like trying to find the package in scope on n. p. m But also just because like people don't want to like advertise for. I don't know it's it's a Weirdo. Consorts thing like I get it if built to be totally totally independent and just let them be totally totally independent. And I think that's like a really good use case for not mono re-polling in this case. Yeah Yeah that's that seems fair. You know if it was just like these are only meant for internal usage and you still split them off. The feels less nice. You know only for the economics of like. Oh God. Now my my gut just constantly changing direct directories and stuff to to do my get commits and all that. I just like a management headache and Ergonomic said Ake. I think I'd agree. Yeah it's a horse problem. Definitely to animals are involved. I had some questions bling. Like what's what's the future of Gulp here. Do you have any like version? Fours out new websites out like what what is the future of. Gulp can aware. Where do you think it's going rate? I have lots of ideas so we're going to keep working on our documentation like I'm very happy with our setup now We can turn out new documentation. We when we did our rewrite of the documentation for four in the new website. We didn't we didn't translate any of the plug in Guidelines or how to write a plug in. We didn't translate any of the recipes So I want to get a lot of that stuff figured out and so One of our big expenses for the money that we do receive is to pay a documentarian and whoever else helps to write docs because it is like probably what what I would think is like the least interesting thing that Katina can do People don't WanNa do it right like they? They will do anything but they'll fix issues. They will create features but writing documentation is really hard. So it's one of our big expenses Well and I guess as a certain point year too deep right like you know too much about Gulp and how it works and how to ride ICAL vile a you almost lose out you miss out on that novice sort of mindset the beginner mindset. You know that that might be required to make really good. Docs that's tough. That's right and our documentarian actually has written about Four lines of ever so gets to tell me when things are way too deep and when I I have too much knowledge or experience and we can Bring it back to. Its its base and really rooted in in the fundamental knowledge. Not Blaine is super super deep in the weeds here. That's Nice I in our last show. The topic of a friction log came up. Which was kind of a you. Try to do something technical and just be mindful as you're doing it up anything that was you know unusual caused us some friction and write it down and maybe that works for docs as well if somebody's reading some docs and like there's friction because they just don't understand what the heck you're talking about that's a That's a moment there to latch onto the other. I would say the other immediate future thing Dave is that something that came up very recently And it's kind of frustrating to me is that We got four was started to be developed when No zero ten was still new and now notes up to fourteen And so our our support actually active two zero ten. Because I didn't want to break people in the release but node fourteen. That came out the other day. It actually breaks the Gulf watcher So what we will very likely. I don't know how we're going to find the time to do this. Because it's a lot of hours of work but we need to probably do a gulp of four to five breaking release that has That just changes are node. J Support Matrix on so that we can upgrade some libraries to get the fixes needed support node for. That's a nightmare man. I'm sorry you know like just you have to lock to an old note version which is probably like something that some people aren't stoked about like I can't you can't use four. It's stuck in the past you know I don't know it just seems like a like a bummer. What have no duty you? They just change some I. It's been happening for a while. But they've actually just removed some of the features that we we relied on in like the native code so I understand that they are trying to to clean house right. They're trying to remove this old crusty natives. Like I think it's probably see code or bindings for that. And that's what. Our Watcher Library uses and the watcher library has been upgraded but they don't backward fixes so we need to We need to do an upgrade. Which is major breaking change? And then we're also going to have to drop support for node some and to be honest like these are old node versions but we try to have the the most comprehensive. We can So we're going to be looking into baton immediate future good good luck and That's cool that's good to hear now. I like again. Thanks for coming on. I really appreciate it like we saw to their view of here in Austin knows But it's just good to know like Gopez going Gopez like still active like like. I think it was always kind of in my head like I like Gulp but I like what's going on with it. You know and so Want to say thank you for coming on the show talking about it because it does sound like it's it's active active in still very useful so I guess we should wrap it up here in the blamed for those who are not falling you and giving you money. How can they do that? I would say. Go check out the Gulf website Gulp. Jazz DOT COM I'm really happy with the design. It's really cool I I don't promote myself too much I'm playing doublets on twitter But yeah hit up golf. Got Legal culp stuff is really cool. we have all the sponsorship links you can find the tide lifts enterprise option on the website as well Yeah yeah thanks yeah. There is a donate button in the NAB. I support up Get money get paid so everyone go there and check. Check a buck or two bucks. I guess is the minimum effective. Looks at it all right. Well cool well. Thank you so much and Yet thank you dear listener for downloading this in your pocket or choice or. Da your file because you could probably do that. He follows on twitter chapter for tens of tweets a month. Consume that in your goal file of if you hate your job ever shop talk show dot com slash jobs and get a brand new because people want hire people like you and Chris anything else. 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David Blaine - Ascension

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David Blaine - Ascension

"This is a head gum podcast. Ellen welcome to the complete guide to everything a podcast everything I'm of your host Tom and Tim Tim how're you doing this week? I'm feeling a little rundown. Yeah. What about what? What how so? I think you know life in this world has gotten the better of me. Yeah. But don't worry all tim live to fight another day. Next week's being a Memoriam episode. Timmy Timmy did not live to another day. No I was just gonNA. Let Bet that hilarious joke you made about my death hanging attention debt tim who knows he may never die. Hey you doing this week I'm also I'm like a similar boat. I am very. Crazy honestly I. would think you and I are two of the healthiest. People on Earth most active in great shape. Well, mental acuity there. Well, that's true. I'll tell you this I've actually appreciate I'm going to get dragged for this. But the past two days I've been trying a Keto Diet. Most that is that high-fat? No carbs. Yeah. And like what's the difference protein? Yeah. What's the difference between that and Atkins's Atkins is high protein. Okay, and this is high fat moderate protein like don't go nuts on protein. Well. So. Stay from the nets. Because they're full of except some nut some nuts have a lot of fat like Macadamia. Nuts. But, now, this must be costing you a fortune. Why bought a macadamia nuts yet I'll tell you that much. But I'm not being super strict with it yet mostly what I'm doing at this point, it's just not eating bread because people have been writing into us for years like doctors and stuff talking about eating and saying like now you have all the symptoms of like somebody who's allergic to gluten her allergic to wheat like I really think you. Act Disease you should like go see an allergist or whatever. Yeah. That trash. They come into a shared e mail folder that we have and you always try to delete them before I can see them because you're afraid I'll be worried about you right and I'm an I'm adamant that or at least I was Adam for a long time that just the silver supplements were. All I needed. Just intaking a lot of silver. They'll cure moose diseases and A. Tip Top shape. But I reluctantly trying this. To See if not to lose weight just to see if it makes me feel better. Right and it from the sound of it, is it not working? It's not not work I. mean again it's. Extremely early days. I did not have to take a nap after lunch today because I didn't eat any bread for lunch though. So there's that. You're still on the NAP everyday schedule. Yeah. As mostly just because I eat a Lotta bread at lunch and then I feel horrible either feel horrible end or extremely tired after that. Take me through your day. So, what time do you wake up in the morning I usually wake up at eight am okay. You're doing some work then you have a breakfast presumably. Oh No, I don't do any work then to my That's lounging time. Look Tom I fully believe in I've been doing this. Actually I kinda stopped doing it this week and I think it. Why feel like rundown little. Don't say something perverted on here. Nobody wants know what you're doing first thing in the morning if it's gross. Tom. Your mind goes to places sometimes in the fact that that you're anticipating where a place where we're. I know you and that's you know. What I assume might be. Nice especially now that none of us have commutes at least temporarily. It's a nice tour. In the morning. Just chill. Just like sit. Yeah. Look out the Dang window and always. On. Until No, I'm always afraid that my wife's going to walk in and I'll just be it'll be like. Seven fifteen am sitting on the couch, just looking out the window, but is better than looking at a Dang screen. Then that's what you'll scream at her as she is calling up. The hospital to take you away. He, she's going to be the hospital to take me away because of looking at the window old timmy sign what kind of society we live in L. Timmy's finally snapped and I'm worried that he's looking outside trying to. The sort out the what horrible thing he's GonNa do to who I what's your normal bread heavy lunch a sandwich. What kind of bread not like usually as grainy as I can stand. I mean not as I can stand I. Guess is grainy as I can get my grubby little hands on. It's not on like a full sized baguette. No although occasionally I do get you know the the supermarket near me, the prepackaged sandwiches they have. If I get one of those. It's delicious but it's on like a hero and the AD. Boy That's going to put me out for a while if I have that. Okay. So you're post lunch nap begins around what time usually two or three o'clock is when I can no longer keep my eyes open and. Personal the fact that you ever thought this was a healthy lifestyle that. been up for like. Seven hours and you can't keep your eyes open they do it in in Mexico. Tim Siestas. Okay and how long do you generally nap for four or five hours? An Hour I tried it. I try and keep it to an hour. Sometimes it's less than that like if I fall asleep and my wake up and I feel okay, then I get up. Long. Three hours if I had a lot of bread. All right. We got to the supermarket next. Day Regatta Hero. Out Until six PM. Yeah and I'm telling you that that's not good. I'm not seeing. I'm not sitting here telling you like. A nice hero and I take a three hour nap. I don't like that it's not good good for my lifestyle or anything like that. So that's why I I I'm trying not to eat bread anymore, and then what time do you normally go to sleep at night midnight? The witching hour. So you're taking a one two three hour nap. And you wake up at eight am. From midnight eight am you're getting? Sleep nine and eleven hours of sleep a day. Yeah. Well I don't take a NAP everyday. You should be a lot more sprite I'm pretty. Tom, you haven't seen me I skip everywhere now. You have dark circles under your. So's are cosmetic Tim I've told you I'm. Do the pandemic mom gang really into goth culture. That's cool. Yeah. All right. So you've been on the Kito Diet for two days. Yes. No naps. Hey, my nephew. Today I took a little nap backed up. Let's say my year old nephew just got off naps. Has Ever. Talk about. Kito now is that. PUT, on Kito. Yeah I, disagree with it unlike you they are doing it. So he'll lose weight and I just think that's Too Bad precedent to set for a child. Tom. We're gathered here this week to talk about. A great man. A wonderful man, a generous man kind man a cool man. The coolest man Tim you're making me blush. No No. Not You Tom V. Magician and. Endurance performer. Endurance performance I would say. David, Blaine. Yes. How old do you think David Blaine is I think he is forty seven years forty seven. Okay. But I was right? Yeah. You know what like I feel like? Like. Drew Barrymore is. Fifty. Forty five really she's like she's a little older than. I mean, that's crazy. I was thinking I did not know she's I mean it makes sense like I've seen. A recent picture of her and yeah, that checks out. But the David Blaine things surprise me just because. When I saw those Oh he's eight years older than me nine years older than you. But then I thought about well win. He became a guy that people knew though we were teenagers. So when you're a teenager and somebody's twenty six. There're an adult, they're like a regular person when I was twenty six I was not at adult I was not a regular person. Yeah. Even when you're like. Eighteen and. Twenty six year old. There's no difference between a twenty, six year old than a fifty four. Right you're both competent adults who are world-weary you know everything. Certainly. When when David blame I started doing stuff I did not think to myself. You know what? If I concentrated eight years from now I could be where he was. But I probably have been. No there's no way you have to be a maniac. If I was I'm saying if I was a maniac if I did the same training that he did. Yeah that's true. Yeah, Tom, we've done an episode on David Blaine before before we get. So. Many letters, sulman emails. Right. As letters when they're unhappy, you've already done. David. Blaine and Tom Sounds like he is dangerous food allergy. I can see the switchboard lighten up right now. Tom This week, we're going to focus on his stunts endurance. I'm pretty short. That's what we talked about last time I don't know what else are. We would've talked about this his -ality, yeah, he's Magic I. Guess Here's here's my. This is I think where you and I differ David Blaine. I'm not really I don't really care about the stunts I don't I'm not that. The stunts are boring to me I want to see him do card tricks. I. Want to see him do levitated. I WanNa do I wanna see 'em fake some stuff. No 'cause I like both I appreciate how good of magician is how good of a specially close up magician? I. Think he's Proud he's better than Penn and teller. Close up now. Oh I don't know he's probably not better than Taylor yeah but he is very good. He's up. There is probably better than pen. Yeah. He's one of the top. Five or ten magicians of the world. I. Don't think you're qualified to make that look if there were tied or than I would know them know he just he's on TV and he hangs out with Leonardo DiCaprio. Leonardo DiCaprio. Because Leonardo DiCaprio knows he's one of the top five or ten close up magicians in the world learning. Leonardo DiCaprio's GonNa hang out with the twenty seventh. Best. Close up magician the world now invite him into his vaunted P. Policy. That sounds of worst and when you say. I know. I don't think he was part of that. Was He he was. All I know is that the guy who played lex luthor on Smallville was part of it and that you know. Kind of threw me whereas who is in this It make sense said he wasn't walking around with a bunch of. People at his caliber he wasn't like George. Clooney. Europe part of this. Is like now. I'M GONNA get some guys who are you know a step or two below Leonardo? DiCaprio's level of fame. Tom David Blaine. Hope Y. Toby. Maguire's thou wire there to member wire though I see is like his. Down he's headed down as a step up from the other guys but I see him as. Toby's my right hand guy. Harmony Corine Who Harmony? With that I think I think his last name is pronounced Coron Tom the day that you start. Correcting people on pronunciations come on the today's that day I've started. Kevin Connolly e from. Entourage. Jay R Ferguson, who I do not know Oh he was once a child actor who appeared on evening shade. Yeah Oh. He's on madman to I guess Lukas. Haas yeah I remember us like a child actor and current actor. Yeah it also seems like he he. Not only were. They like a step down from him they he got people that were kind of weird look into. Yeah. In like. He's he's handsome, right? Yes he's not necessarily A. He's traditionally boyishly handsome. Young but he's not. Like low level. You know. Post High School we'd dealer. Asking me for a little while like. Radhi beer post high school re- dealer handsome. That'll. trope. So Anyway David Blaine. Yes I think. He. I think you know him. Because he's good at what he does but he also a good publicist and he's part of that posse that everybody the beloved. Posse yeah. So while we talk about the most recent stunt, he's done. This is why we're talking about. It stunts 'cause it's newsworthy and we were primarily news program. Yeah and we didn't want to cover. This is before it happened because what if things went tragically, wrong Right Okay David, Blaine ascension and from where we're sitting this just happened yesterday. Was that yesterday. Time means nothing it might have been six. Yes it was yesterday. it involved blame floating while holding onto a cluster of fifty two helium filled balloons using a harness stunt took place on the morning of September Second Twenty Twenty Yep that was yesterday. In page Arizona streamed live on Youtube at Youtube original? program. He got to in altitude of twenty, four, thousand, nine, hundred feet above sea level. And then he let go of the balloons and parachuted down towards a flat ravine close the initially planned landing soon. and he pulled it off. Any also had to put the parachute on. Yes so explain explain what you watched yesterday Tom and you and I were watching together. I jumped off before end I got I got frankly I found it to be kind of boring. While year at dull man if you find. So explain explain in your Dole man if you didn't watch the whole thing just in case you get to see a man die. Yeah and that's that's the other thing. Is that what we're in this for I'm not no I do not WanNa see why there's a thrill knowing that that's a possibility. That's Penn teller thing. Tom that they say if a magician or Artist performance artist endures. They're actually putting themselves real harm's way in front of an audience that's actually unethical. Because if you have a bunch of people there watching you. Actually die that will be a traumatic experience absolutely, and that wasn't an ethical thing to do to those people. I wait to your audience not to die and I'm not sure if that counts for like tiny tim who dropped it during a concert. Base there. To this episode. Called Tiny Tim Unethical for dying during a performance. I say that that's not what this means. It means like if that's part of your act. Yeah Well and I think. David Blaine and he's pretty upfront about this stuff. That he's doing everything not everything I mean he could not do these things but he's taking every precaution. And that every every scenario do every scenarios tried to be imagined. that. If during pretty much any actually no. Yeah. During any of his stunts. If he's in trouble, there's a way for him to dump out of it essentially to either get help the coward's way out. No the coward's way out is committing suicide. He isn't do that. Is that what you're talking about? No, don't say that time. Well, that's what they call it I'm not saying that that I think that way. But when you say taking the coward's way out, that's what that means taking. The coward's way out doesn't mean radioing somebody going hey, Gimme out of this thing. Let's being you're just always so quick to call. Greater men than yourself cowards. Who else astronauts? They're not cowards they're just not that great. So. He was originally going to do this in New York City, which would have been nuts which I think is a lie I think that was to drum up publicity possibly a except. He was GonNa do it two days before it actually happened in New York City and I think if it was to drum up publicity, they would have kept the date the same. But here's my counter kids if they were like, oh, it's not 'cause the their thing was oh, the weather patterns in New York City. are going to be inconvenient or it will. It will make this impossible and they were. In fairness. What. Do you mean during the on August thirtieth September first and September second? We did not have perfect weather here. The weather was all over the place we had rain and wind. Is a beautiful day yesterday morning. In the morning but non the afternoon but when he was doing it yeah. But I think again. What I'm saying is. Go with being. Safe. He was like, no, there can't be a possibility of getting hit by lightning. Right although one of his other tricks was essentially him getting hit by lightning but in that case, he knew it was going to happen. So it's different precautions, right? Okay. So Sorry. You were explaining exactly what it is. Yeah. He was going to do it over New York. Like a day or two before that was supposed to happen they said we can't do it in New York. The weather is not cooperating. We're GONNA do it in Arizona which makes sense because yeah you can go in the middle of the desert and there's No Wind No. Rain or anything that's hot, which presents other issues. But not nearly the issues wind with the balloons were heating up tom the balloons were heating up. That's why they had to get going at one point. So the idea was. That there would be a bunch of weather balloons filled with helium and he would. I was a little I wasn't crazy about the whole like he's holding onto them because he wasn't holding onto him. It was just said he was harnessed in a way that his arm was stuck in the harness essentially So it looked like he was holding onto them. which he did take off later on so he could do we need to do. But the idea was that he would go up in helium balloons which you know a child dream what if I got enough balloons to actually lift me off the ground Gonzo style right and he did it and then To add. More. Excitement to it. That once he got to a certain height, he would have to put a parachute on in the air. He couldn't put parachute on before he went up. I, don't know why. and then at a certain height at the height of that I believe they didn't specify exactly what they said the height that jets fly at would-be when he would let go and parachute down not like go obviously just release himself. which presents a huge amount of other issues because once you get. A few thousand feet it starts getting very cold and there's very little oxygen up there. So he added endure those things so for him. He said, this kind of combined a lot of the other stunts he's done because he had very little oxygen so he needs to be able to stay conscious while he was doing this. Year to sustain extremely cold temperatures which he's done before. It's Not. Have a giant fear of heights some before, and then he's had to fall from a great height although this was the greatest site that I believe. These fallen from Yeah in any tally skydived from higher but that yeah well, and that was part of it that to do all this stuff, it was I think more preparation. These ever had do because he had to complete five hundred skydives to get his skydive certification is so low certification or whatever it is He had to get a balloonist license to be able to fly a balloon. Honestly, how hard is that? You never go like Oh, man these the real heroes are the hot air balloon. That must be. Thousands of hours of training like I understand that that's another thing he had to do. But like it's not like oh here to. Log Fifty thousand hours flying a plane to get his pilot's license or something. I'm not sure because. You know what? Now you mentioned it in like the whole training montage they didn't necessarily show a lot of him. Balloon training it's a Saturday morning. Three. Hour. Trainings training like you log in online. Watch. Through stuff. Yeah He. But he had to get whatever kind of certification you need to fly experimental aircrafts which I imagine takes a little bit. They didn't talk very cool. They didn't talk about it but I he seems like the kind of guy to that may have already had a pilot's license and this was just like additional training for that kind of thing. So that was the major training that he had to do this, the skydiving and the ballooning training, and then the other training he had a call on. Tom And I want to preface this saying. I. Think this is very difficult thing that he did. And We were talking throughout it and I was just like I could do this. I don't think I could do it as well as he did it but I think if my life depended on it, I could do it. I think you would have passed out approximately a half hour before you would have had to do it. All right here's my question. Fryo Chamber with you and I'm not I'm not trying to shit on you because I was in the same boat but we both almost had panic attacks before going crowd Shaeber for three minutes i. do not see you holding onto a balloon going twenty, five thousand feet in the air and then parachuting down. Right. That's true. But if my life depended on it, I think I could I could have pulled this off. Yeah. I if I had to do it, I don't think I would have died I, think anyone if their life depended on, it could have done it. But. If you have to do this or the slug to the head, right, it'd be like, all right give it a shot and I think today we'd still be having this conversation. I I don't know you would've gotten a poxy is going up. Would you have had the oxygen tank? He had an oxygen tank that was one of the weird things about it that he had an oxygen tank and they kept telling them to put it on and he's I know. He refused to and then he kept telling them like I've held my breath for fourteen minutes and it's like obviously these other people know this. But I guess they're also kind of covering not even covering their ass like they don't want to die and I think that they're basically like look you're going to not have oxygen for another minute or two. Great nobody really cares about that aspect of the the. I thought. That's my main issue. Here is everything did seem kind of arbitrary and also like? Like in the past and we might not actually get to talk about these stunts. Start a magic podcast of magic and physical stunts podcasts. But at the at the you know in the beginning, the stunts were all very clear-cut is like I'm GonNa be buried alive for this amount of time going to be in ice for this amount of time and I'm going to stand on a platform for this amount of time. This was I'm going to. Talk about that, we'll talk about then. What I was GonNa say I think that's where complicating the stunt Scott started because he jumped off at the end. Yeah. Exactly and this was I'm going to appear as if I am floating away by holding balloons. And then at some point. I'm going to let go of the balloons or appear to let go of the balloons and parachutes down to earth, and here are the arbitrary rules. I'm not going to be wearing a parachute when I take off. Yeah. But I will put one on. I will not have an oxygen tank until I get to a certain point where we've determined. That I should have. Tank, I'm not going to let go until I reach this arbitrary point that we're not even we're going to actually be fuzzy on because right for good reason you're not gonNA yeah. At that point, it's less kind of Showbiz to me. And more about like. Weird? A. An accomplishment. With a bunch of weird arbitrary constraints put on it like for example. This came with a whole. run-up of of. Very slickly produced. Video Montages of him training. Hit. Experts and it's all very fascinating from a kind of logistics and kind of scientific point of view but. If, they're going to show you all that. Then why are they doing so much to be like and it will appear like I'm just floating into into air right? Like mum they had they had to have with good reason. A. Control. Module in there in within the balloons. Yeah. Where it had an oxygen tank, it held his. is his parachute that he was gonNA put on it had a number of thing devices to measure certain. Yes. They were able to remotely pop individual balloons if they needed to to. Going up too fast or or or if he passed out and they need to bring him down. Yeah, and they they made. They made what they call I forget what they called it but it was like a control module, a control center there because it had to technically be an aircraft. Yeah. Right and. And of course, we're going to have to cover it. So it looks like a balloon. Didn't they did say notice that thing and. They they said this in part of the special like running up to it. They were like we don't want it to look like this. So we're GONNA we're. GonNa hide it, and make it look like a balloon but if they're telling us the audience that that's what they're doing. Then why are they doing that? Like who is the appearance for where it's like when they say it will appear like there isn't a control module there it will appear like he's holding onto the balloons but if we the audience if everybody in the audience knows that that's all not the case then why bother doing it at all and it's like the difference between. Like why are they showing US behind the scenes if if the goal is to make it look a certain way. Well, I think not everybody watching. It knows had for example I didn't realize that like I watched the whole thing and I noticed when he took the Oscar and I was looking for an oxygen tank and I noticed. There's Tom. If I were you, I would I would interrupt you and say it's not Oscar. Junior oxygen. But Luckily you're not me you're. Polite and nice man. Who? Just Accuses here as of being cowards in a very cavalier manner quite often to be honest he I think that most people. Ninety five percent of people saw probably a three minute montage of him floating up and we're like holy. Hell Wow. All right. No. Because it's not one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, three this wasn't on the news. No, it had. They broke apparently they broke a livestream record. I was like Oh really but it was a live stream for youtube. Original content record was like come on it was seven, hundred, seventy, thousand concurrent viewers. So there's not that many. Within that. Viewing they. All I'm saying is I'm saying most people did not watch the behind the scenes of all this. A lot of people behind the scenes was the content is what I'm saying. It's like if you watch a movie uh-huh and. If. You're watching inception and before the scene where the city folds in on themselves, they show Christopher Nolan. Talking to CG artists and being like here's how we're going to make it appear like the sieges, how the city is going to fold in on itself, and then this is all part of the movie and then the next scene is ellen page making the city. Fold in on itself. Tim Discus you saw inception a week ago. Doesn't mean you everything relates to it now? All Right Tom no I'm saying you know what I mean okay. So Special effect in a movie is there to have the appearance and if you put the behind the scenes, even the actual movie where Tom? Where did anybody watch that where did anybody see this? That wasn't frigging nerds Watching the livestream. Way. Mean they probably saw clip on social media. ofd Do you think? It's like, oh, he's he must have. Held onto these balloons and went up cool. Like are they fooling anybody? Are they trying I don't? Necessarily fooling anybody I think they probably want to make it. For the same reason when you when you're watching inception in the city falls, you don't think they actually did that. No I freaked out. All right and we were talking about the down. The behind the scenes aspect of this, which I'm sure people are thrilled by. It was twenty minutes of them arguing about what's mine the seeds content and was actual content is that what you're talking about? Your viewing this from the angle of an old man who doesn't understand content anymore tim year like Jeffrey Katzenberg. You're just make it a qube. That's all. That's what people want. They want to be people nowadays they want a lot of stuff and sometimes behind the scenes. Stuff is kinda part of the the stuff itself. I get it, but then I would have rather. See the Emmy especially once he pulled the oxygen, it was like why I don't think there's a balloon up their full of oxygen like that's to be coming from somewhere I. think it was probably mostly like. All, this is going to look like a mess of wires and Shit. Let's make it a little more aesthetically pleasing. And put it in a case that also looks like a balloon. So it looks better. It's a better thumbnail tim, it's all thumbnails. Okay. I get it. It just doesn't and I understand. Honestly. I was Kinda thinking so much. So much of entertainment now is just letting people into the behind the scenes like all people care about like people don't care about the actual content anymore. I think people don't care about. The blockbuster movies, all they care about is speculating on what's going to happen next the people don't go to blockbuster rent movies anymore and I think that just. that. Tommy. Is over those will start thriving again, I've said this I. With Cova de set. Two Thousand Six You could use to drop off slot and it would be fine who'd be safe. Just put a sign up don't cough on the tapes before you put A. Definitely. Don't cough into the slot. That's the last thing we need rewind the tapes and for God's sakes coughing on. The zoo at that sticker on their whole. I never really thought about but I, probably handle quite a few tapes people coughed on. The. I I disagree and I was GONNA say that going back to my joke about thumbnails I think that is a big part of it that people see the thumbnail and they go holy Shit we would've do and then the click on it and they're like, Oh okay. He had some other stuff in there but that's fine. I'm still very impressed. I'm I'm not gonNA sit here like a jerk saying I think I could have done this if somebody put a gun to my head. I mean I think most people also to realize tim. You Always WanNa frame things in if somebody had a gun to my head, nobody had gun to his head, which is one of the big things that people watch. This guy is south and they go what a maniac what a crazy person nobody had a gun to his head. Why is he doing this? Somebody had a gun to the head of a loved one. Just off screen the entire time. Yes exactly. They're holding them at a third location. I hope they were wearing masks the whole time. Tom I thought it was good. I just thought it was a little too messy I didn't understand what the pretense was for. Why did they? You're saying it's for a thumbnail so people would be delighted to see a thumbnail now. Only Syria thumb. Now I think it's that. Looks better. You want things to be aesthetically pleasing and a little bit. ooh To the viewer. You don't I don't WanNa see a big jumble of wires I wanNA. See something nice looking. You Love Wires I've been to your home wires everywhere. I want especially the control panel aspect of it where if you needed. To have all that stuff. Then I could definitely see them being like look if it were up to us, we wouldn't have all this stuff but we have to. So we're GONNA. Not, necessarily hide it. We're just GONNA disguise a little bit when you go to Disneyworld you're not like where a, where's all the gears and stuff were you try to pretend like this is magic. That stuff to make it look better. No but here's what I'm telling you is they hide it from The visitors to Disneyworld 'cause they are trying to create kind of immersive. Trying to do not if they're showing the audience, all of the things that they're doing, but you can watch behind the scenes things about Disney world. Yeah. But Not ads part of the experience you're you're lumping too much of this into the experience. Most people did not watch all the experts and everything talk for hours. Mean you did because we're interested in this stuff how did people watch it? They, I'm positive. Most People Watch probably three to five minutes super cut afterwards that showed aspects of it. The same thing with you know rocket launch or whatever some people watch it live, and then some people are like, oh, I didn't realize that was today. Let Me Watch this five minute thing where they just showed the cool parts. 'CAUSE you're you'll admit that at points. This was real boring whereas like all right now, what's going to happen? So. I, actually I, take it back because I think that that's probably part of why. The parachute was an. And the oxygen wasn't on because it's like look there's going to be real boring. It's just GonNa be a guy. Essentially stationary for an for an hour yet when when he was. Arguing about putting the oxygen on I was glued to the screen because I'm yelling at the screen but the accident on who cares when he was taken the parachute down like Donald Trump, the parachute man. After, let go to go down and get it. And then what happens if you don't get it? Yeah. I WanNa talk for a minute about speaking of which the one of the guys behind the this trick Luke aac ins, who was the first? Person To jump from twenty, five, thousand feet without a parachute and he landed safely in a net. bonkers and that up and live on. Fox. But I don't remember that happening because I would've fox five. Fox Five New York because they're saying that when they were showing this and they were showing this guy's Bona Fides. I was like, wait what. Is that how you pronounce that Phrase Bona Fetus. That's Bona. Fides. I was thinking how come I never heard about this. They should put that on. TV. Apparently, they did put on. TV. But this guy this crease here is that it was four years ago and the guy was forty two at the time tim he was older than us. So there's still hope that we can do crazy like. News but he? Haven't done enough crazy things in my life. He jumped out. I'm Reid I'm looking at the circle right now. Apparently, he nearly canceled the jump because he was ordered to wear a parachute for safety and this would have made his landing more dangerous because of the extra weight. However, the organizers lifted the ban just minutes before the jump. It sounds like he probably could have just been like I forgot and jumped out the plane. He just jumped out of the plane and then taken the parachute off. Yeah. I mean I would have been at that probably would've added needless complexity to it. But. This crazy guy jumped twenty five thousand feet into a one hundred foot by one hundred foot nets pretty big net. It is not that big of a net tim when you're jumping from twenty, five, thousand feet. Did you watch the video of it yeah. But I mean, have you ever seen a ten thousand square foot net? No I've never seen a ten thousand square. Where would I see a ten thousand square foot net exactly. So it's not like he jumped at this up to that that you see every day. I just know watching from the video of him, doing it from the video of the guys behind him filming them. that. Guys behind have to do with it i. just I was thinking as I'm looking at the net that that's too small then yes way too small to be able to hit what if there's just a bill gust of wind. And he can't hit that net and also it sounds like he you know dive headfirst into the net he had to line lineup the net and be like all right. I think I'm lined up and then flip over see he'd land on his back that's terrifying because. You certainly, at some point during that had to have been like Oh this is taking too long. I missed the net and I'm badges splatter the ground. And he died doing mrs he didn't die. He landed in the net perfectly and it was fine. I get him being like, yeah I don't WanNa wear pack if I'm going to do this I don't WanNa wear parachute at all because guess what if I missed the net I've got fifty feet to pull this parachute. What good is that GonNa do me like you should not be doing this at all but if you're gonNA be doing it yeah I guess do without a parachute because who cares? I also assume the two guys with the camera that were. Dropping along with them. That they were there like if something went catastrophically wrong in the beginning, they could've Goddamn or something I don't know how that works. I know that there's a way if somebody's parachute isn't working till like catch them, but it's going to break their arms probably. But it's like a way to hold them so that like you're not gonNA, they're not gonna let go when you pull your shoot right but it is going to eight year arms with there's. kind of it was something like it was like a wrestling hold or something you put him in a full Nelson and then they'll be fine. They will be fine. You'll smash both their arms. But but This Guy What a crazy thing to do, and then this guy was the guy with David Blaine who is like, Hey, don't. Put, put the damn oxygen on our. Day had basically also can we touch on how bad the communication was during this entire stunt? Yeah definitely and Tom I'm telling you right now we're pivoting. This is no longer an episode of the stunts of David, Blaine. Episode Frank Discussion. David Blaine ascension. Yes. This yeah. So much cross talk. I guess there's not that much to say except that there were so much crosstalk. I feel like including when he so when he lego at twenty, four, thousand, nine, hundred feet as he's like. The Guy Goes. Over the radio because he because he's like, no, you're close enough like you WanNa hit twenty, five thousand feet that sounds better. But also as the guys undoing things, it's too late don't start yelling wait wait wait that's what he wants to hear right before. I on the ground. WAS NOT. One of David Blaine like normal God it was. It was the guy who jumped into the no that was him saying yeah. That stuff I didn't know that so. He kept advising him to do stuff. Like. No ask this other guy, the guy right next he'll tell you I did things do you even know who I am? Although. I think it does add a level of like, wow. The Guy who jumped out of a plane without a parachute to land in a net is telling him like, Hey, come on. Enough Yeah. And I think this is I think that goes back to my problem with. I'm a problem with this because I I thought the buried alive thing I thought the the ice thing. Frozen. In time I thought you said, this was just about ascension. But this one it was like. It seems like this was on some levels more difficult. Than what that other guy did? Yeah. Certainly a lot more coordination. Yeah but it. Didn't seem as impressive as what that other guy did you? Yeah and that's the thing and he was like I understand the logistical challenges. Of doing something like this. But at the end of the day in terms of like boom hey what did he do? Shit? He jumped from twenty five thousand feet without a parachute into a net, and this is like Oh shit. What did he do? He attached himself to a bunch of. Balloons and some equipment disguises balloons and he have parachute on. But then at some point, he did put a parachute on and then he hooked himself from the balloons and then he. Skydive from there. That's cool. But like I don't know. It's not. It's not a snappy Tom I like it when it's snappy. Yeah, I'M GONNA communication with real bad. It seemed like David. Blaine couldn't hear that guy very well and he kept asking very specific questions. People on the ground. Probably should have heard David Blaine fine if we could hear. David. Blaine. So David Blaine was like, should I unhook my left shoulder? qx I should I'm going to unhook my left shoulder correct. Correct. Correct, then the guy would the guy wouldn't say lick all he's looking for is correct. Yeah. Just say to David Blaine, correct correct. Just like yeah, and in the guy is just Like. Saying phrases like didn't you guys practice like the protocols you got it my man. Yeah. Well, it also seem like the guy in the ground like thirty other people were talking to him at the same time all the time, which which again should have been better coordinated I was just looking it up. 'cause I remember watching this a few years ago. The Guy who broke the world record Felix Baumgartner. The highest. Skydive, ever that was one, hundred, twenty, eight, thousand feet. That wish considerably higher, which was also he the first skydiver to have her break the sound barrier. Sixty nine six, hundred, ninety miles per hour eleven hundred ten kilometers per hour. That is. Which I would assume that that makes him also the first human being to break the sound barrier without. A machine. Without being inside of some type of machine, which is also crazy. I would have thought that would have done something to you about I guess not. But that was. This strict at the end of the day. If you watch this trick where some is on a trick, a stunt if you watch somebody go up in a hot air balloon twenty-five, thousand feet jump out. You'd be like Oh. Neat but you wouldn't be it was kind of just adding more complexity to that but arbitrarily complex arbitrary complexity that that in fairness did make it look a lot cooler and made a feel a lot more Dane. Yes. The other thing that was goofy When he was I going up yeah. You know you see him. He's in this big bulky harness arms up. Mimicking, holding onto these balloons, but he was not holding onto the right. Away, and then he was just kind of going up seemingly kids. You don't see that he's going like one hundred feet a minute or whatever five, hundred, fifty minutes. Seemingly, just like very kind of slowly and it's just him like with a look on his face like preparing but just going to. Here we go. Don't you think he should sang a song. Don't. You think that they should have played music and he would have been like UPENN away imagine. Beautiful. Beautiful. D want to solve a problem. Sure. Hello Your problems on Tim. We're going to solve a problem. If you have a problem you would like to sell. You can email us at the complete guide to everything at g mail. Dot. com. Garfield Mail. Dot Com. Tom. This one comes to us from a lady. She wrote a bunch of stuff about the movie fire in the sky. Do you want me to read that part. Yeah. I, do actually. Haitham Tom just wanted to send an email to tell you how much I've been appreciating your podcast lately. Very nice praise for me. I've been listening since two, thousand nine. It's been such a highlight for me between the main episodes in Patriots. Man Who would have thought Patriot dot com slash complete guide. Bring somebody such joy I knew. Really brightens my week through the pandemic. What? Thank you for keeping it going? You're aliens podcasts this by the way from Kim I'm Gonna I'm gonNA use her real. Okay. She seems fine with it. you're aliens, podcasts reminded me of something from my childhood that I hadn't thought of New Year's. Nearly bring back a suppress memory. I. Think. So I'm near an age you guys. And I think that only people born in a specific timeframe could remember this time in period in the same way I saw fire in the sky when I was nine. And I was so afraid of aliens for years. Later, how did I see fire in the sky as a nine year old my parents took me to see the last action hero in a drive in movie theater and fire in the sky was playing at a different screen. I think I had already seen last action hero. So I just watched fire in the sky on the other screen which really freaked me out i. didn't see what the sound her family went to see last action hero twice and theaters. Well. I. Didn't even see with sound as it was a drive in theater, right? Now. I'm not as scared as I was when I was a kid of being abducted your show just. Last week. Got Me thinking nobody talks about their experience. Nobody who talks about their experience really says that it had a positive impact on their life, right? Yeah did not going to who drive in movie theater. Well, I I mean that Harkens back to what I was saying went to see Dick Tracy and there was there was like robocop to maybe. Incredibly, violent in the screen behind it. I feel like I did also see a drive in movie with my parents were there was another movie that had like A. Topless woman at one point. And I remember thinking like even as a kid like, well, this must be very awkward for my parents to be like, Hey, don't look. Don't look out the window for a minute I don't know what you could really do. Tom But you were probably Seventeen eighteen years old when eyes wide shut came out I don't know why you were still going to drive in movies with your parents they offered to pay and you know I was a teenager. I didn't have a lot of money. Here's Kim's problem. Yeah. I all I thought the problem was. The people of positive experiences with alien abduction. How is that a problem? His question. because. I was GONNA. Some people seem to, but only after they get over like the it's people usually that are abducted over long periods of time, and they eventually get to a point of acceptance about it. But that's about it. So, they never come back with like. Powers I- I can zoom in with my eyes. Yeah. Nobody has a story about like I woke up one night I couldn't move I was paralysed when I opened my eyes are four grey beings around me. They took me in their spaceship and showed me an awesome time an unbelievably cool time. These guys were cool as shit and then they dropped me back off. That that there are. The worst of everybody. Aliens. To talk about aliens that way. Gas. Look at the universe. I'm just saying nobody's had that experience that I'm aware of. Okay simple. No would have sufficed. They took me up in the air in their spaceship and guess what it was an open bar. Yeah. Well, what if they're like? Hey, they pumped me full this crazy drug that we don't have here and it was phenomenal. Well, nobody says that some people do say that they were like put into Rome 's and then like beautiful man or woman came in and took off was nude and they were like, Hey, have sex with me and they're like, all right and then they do. But then afterwards, they're usually like that was prior to create some human alien hybrid I shouldn't have done that. Now, no, although that is very I didn't run in this lady. Dead Ringer for Natasha Henstridge like Tam. Species may have been ripped from the headlines to be honest with you. Here's Kim's problem. Have a five year old who has been home since March he has a friend that he misses from school and wants to send him letters quote. So his friend knows that he really loves him which is very sweet, but he only wants to send very boring letters, for example, plane piece of paper with a single squiggly line drawn on it. They do serve the purpose of letting the other boy know that my son is thinking of him but since we are going through the trouble of sending a letter I, think we should include more. My son doesn't want to do that after he's done with his letters I've in throwing in other pictures my son drew or extra stickers without my son's knowledge the French sense letters back that have messages mom helped them right and also drawn pictures of the two of them. Together should I stop adding extra items into my son's letters? Thanks again for the show Kim Hey. Thank you Kim. I don't think he should stop throwing an extra items I think it might be i. didn't realize that this was like a back and forth thing at first rose like. I didn't realize that she had already sent a letter and you dislike just throw out the squiggly lines if you go. Yeah Harry got your your letter and he loved it. Well, I was going to say that I would tell the kid like, yeah, we sent that letter guess what like there was no reply for Mary. Because you send such a boring letter to him as he going to respond to that you're giving them nothing. Yeah give him some. RIFF ON HERE So you don't have any kids. I would say. You brace down with the kid and do the same thing like write a letter be like, Hey, what do you want to tell? Harry? And the kids like I don't WanNa tell me anything. I just want to send a squiggly line. Then, you gotta take the kid to a doctor or something but But I think. That would be my suggestion I would also I would talk to the child. It'd be like this boring is born as hell leads try something crazy for him. How about that? Yeah. Let's go nuts. Yeah. Let's really let's blow his mind. Make up a bunch of fake shit that. That you report happened to you but is. Really. Just a bunch of lies is really just stuff that you saw a movie one time and like you know he's five years old they probably have many movies. Let's tell Harry that you're out of quarantine and everybody else's and wondering where he's been. Tell you're back in school and everybody's like. Out as normal now. Harry guess your mom must be no keeping you. Keeping you. Maybe your mom's in a coulter trying to start a cult. Yeah Harry you need to get out of there. Yeah. Yeah. Police for Harry Sent Harry? Cassette of this. Yeah. Well if you want to again, if you want us to solve your problem, the complete everything gmail.com. Tom. That's all the time we have for this week. Yeah. You can take out more about the show here. T. 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Your Pal Tin and you can follow his both on Instagram at complete guide. That's all the plugs I care to do right now, Tim. Where do you think David Blaine goes from here. I. I don't know I think he. Look I don't think there is really anywhere he can go. I will say that especially in in these kinds of times, everything's so crazy. It was nice to just watch guy doing crazy stunt. Yeah I agree. And I do think he was. This is why I feel like a jerk. Somebody's somebody's got to criticize the man but. Like I do take them at face value is like, oh, this is something i. wanted to do to like delight my daughter instead of. Scary stunts whereas like Oh will he die? Can he can he? Get through this. All. His daughter probably is like Oh after finishes every stunt he has to go in the hospital for a month and it looks like he's dead. To be fair there haven't been. He hasn't done very many stunts in her lifetime. She's only ten years old. But. The The other thing is like a man with a child. I don't. Want to. See, him risk his life and I think it was different when he a scummy guy that hung out with Leonardo DiCaprio and e from entourage. Like Oh, this guy's going to risk his life. Cool. The world won't be worse off. Right like. Like Oh, no, you see him. Essentially, and it was like if this goes wrong and he's saying goodbye to his daughter, we just saw the last time, his daughter Cy, and we watched it live on a livestream on freaking youtube. Yeah. and that the that doesn't make me happy. Well, and but like I said, I think that there were very few things that actually could have gone wrong in this thing. Yeah I think they really by Tom I think that. Either one of us could have done it. I, I'm not. You would a pass at you would have pass out before they even strapped. Amy would have passed out. Yeah. All right. I just pass out just in house Tom Thinking about it. We'll see you next week. That was a hit gum podcast.

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3056: I Love You, Man w/ Hannah Boone and Pranav Behari

Keith and the Girl Comedy Talk Show

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3056: I Love You, Man w/ Hannah Boone and Pranav Behari

"Hey. Welcome the Keith. And the girl I'm Keith Malley, ladies and Gent nuggets star lower right time to clear your throat great time with the new guy. Anyways. Ladies and gentlemen, product Bahari. How are you? Good. Very good. You're a buddy with right? Your buddies. With our recent guests who saw the Siddiqi. Oh, yeah. You do a podcast together. Right. Called your mango bay. Yeah. How's it going pretty great? So far great. We had a we had a special guests last week. We had a Hudson menagerie. Okay. Yeah. That was a big coup for us. So he's some has been golly. What are you? I'm just regular old Indian generic ask Kirkland brand Indian. There's no war going on between, you know, indian-bangladesh get along quite well because we help with Daesh separate from Pakistan. Yeah. So bring. No, not really because we try to keep you know pan, South Asian unity. Okay. Could try to promote that. But they she's hate Cassani. He's more than they Indians. Okay. So you guys are getting along. Yeah. We're getting along. We're making it work. You know, we didn't even know each other before the podcast, and we're like, hey, this is an experiment. You know, also joining us great stand up as well. The sketch comedy group the pepperonis zone. I watch all the videos, and usually I hate videos. I love these the EP you can listen to his mommy, daddy, baby family twenty eighteenth, Keith and the girl best new guest winner and opening up for my stand up show on April fifteenth Hannah Boone. Hello. Hello it to see you. Well, you get the good introduction. We owe clear throw like an asshole when I'm trying to say hi to people. But then when she says, hi, I she says. They please welcome handle boon. Have to tired. I am. I am excited. You don't what else? I heard. Yeah. You may know this because you're the one of told me this you are not only dating. Now, you know seeing somebody exclusively. But is the first time you can honestly say maybe sobriety has something to do with this. You are in love. It's true. True. Is that scary? All my I was horrified. I was horrified. I thought it was going crazy. Did it just hit you like on? No. I'm in love it hit me. But I wasn't. I didn't get what it was at first. I was like Jane. I was like why do I feel like what hap- I feel like nausea? I feel like this just the flu. I yeah. I don't know. I just it was such intense emotion. And I didn't understand what. But it wasn't. Like obsession is different. You know, this how you told him feeling this way. He won't stop annoying. I just keep telling most scared nauseous, but like, you know, good way, I have diarrhea. I'm not sure how do you know? How do you know? It's different. Because you did think you're in love before. I assume right. Yeah. I thought it was in love, and it wasn't as like cool as people said it was okay. I thought it was like a whatever thing, and it was like, I don't know why they're songs about this. So who cares? Sounds like good sex. Yeah. Yeah. It started off we were like both in our heads and weird. And I mean. I mean, the other. Yeah. The other I had really good sex. That's what it was. Because that feels like love. Yeah. Until they talk too much. Yeah. Them would fight all the time. I was like I hate you. Yeah. But I don't want you to leave me. But it was it was for this X. So now, we know what's this guy do for a limit? He is a journalist Certa list of my favorite section of my favorite newspaper, the New York Post, many pictures, I appreciate that. And there's the word but true section, and this is when a new story doesn't really fit the half a page. So they'd just some it down and tell you the goofy shit that's going on her. I appreciate that very much. In fact, he probably knows me. I'm the one buying the paper. It's just keeping your boyfriend and caffeine. Reading probably visit Bergen reading on the train grumbling next to each other. Here's a story from the weird. But true to that people know what I'm talking about a man in Ziamon city. China learned his wife had cheated on him when a paternity test revealed that one of his twin babies had a different father. The man known only as z along grew suspicious because one of the thoughts look nothing like him and had their DNA secretly tested the two dead twin phenomenon by the way. No matter what the results you can't come back from that. Right. Like at as the father of the kid to remember at some point. I thought you weren't minding your nose was a little different odd. It's called hetero paternal, super FEC and Dacian, it's very rare. But you are able to have two babies as twins, but from different fathers. How can I choose to do that? That's the thing. I now know that I'm just going to not not try to do that. I wanna try and make that happen. I just need to find a partner for completely don't understand. How? Consumer explain sex to me, I'm sorry. So I guess it could you can take the two different sperms make the two different babies, but because everything happened at about the same time, you're you'll you'll have. And you weren't in a threesome she's cheating on you. Yeah. Like, very close together. Yes. One of you impregnated. And then the other one just quickly got in there. Like an part. That's a full life is busy. When you go. Like, I don't have time for that. We're like, yeah. That's the beauty of the weird but true sex. They don't give us too much. It can make the rest stop. Fun at parties. This is the only section then newspaper. Can't fact check it because there's no information. He's never gonna be in trouble with his boss. This might all be made up. This makes it up. What story says known only as well. Wouldn't you make a phone call? But you know, maybe maybe even weird but true is the shorten headline. And it's like wouldn't this be weird? But true, no, I can skim through a pretty fast. Actually, I want to talk to this guy because I do have a problem with word recession me way too much nothing about animals animals, sheep brain into us city public poll. Okay. You know, what beloved that? I don't know. And he loves when taking this down Hannah. I'm just saying I'm just saying people people love that people of animals, it seems like filler. He loves when things spill on the highway who doesn't I don't cry over this story. Over a gallon of milk spilled DR. It sounds like his angling his job doesn't like he doesn't do it. Right. Let me tell you. Is just off the top of my head very half-heartedly defending too. Well with the people. Break up with him. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. The Twitter account. Of course, I follow Hannah, boom comedy, you can too. Yes. My preferred method of suicide is saying I don't like beyond say at a bachelorette party liked and re tweet it. Oh, thank you. Hell. Yeah. Like you so much Queen right? She's bigger than Oprah though. You shouldn't even be talking about her Keith. Yeah. Oh my God. It's crazy. She was trending. And I was like what the fuck could this be right? Those talk about maybe there's a documentary about her life possibly coming up funding. Trending like, we don't know everything I know everything like she's gonna steadily reveal you know, what I wasn't pregnant for that time. Yeah. Like as if there's any shocking. Yeah. Thought I should let you know. And I watched the documentary, quote, unquote, and it's really just her going like every once in a while, Jay z, and I fight, but it's them in a restaurant having the time of their lives. There was nothing negative about it. Everything was just brilliant and wonderful. Maybe sometimes they get the sad 's. So you're saying it won't be interesting because there's no tragedy. Yeah. There's nothing to fight back from. And I'm sure there is. But when you when you tell me how great she is. I'm looking no people buying tickets. Cool. We got the numbers. Yeah. It's been a really clean. I never thought about that her like trajectories been very clean and think about it. When did she meet Jay Z was she sixteen or was she fourteen? How old is she actually did she have that baby? Oh, what happened between her and every other member of Destiny's Child? Not let alone the one that actually lasted and got big with her. There was like four then three than a new one switched a lot of shade. A lot of interviews that have been taken down a lot of interviews that are sliced into like stuff where you can watch them not talking when she's talking what about her parents that were always the manager and pushing forth for her and everybody got some shit job in the background, very interesting. But no, just here's my perfect life. Is that accent Mark on the birth? Questions. But instead hinders, right? I saw a second of the last documentary that she put out and they wake up at four in the morning, and obviously she has, you know, full makeup etcetera. Yeah, it was it was obviously like yes, you got a lot of footage. You definitely followed her around. And that's fantastic because we all wanna see like a divas life. And I say that in a good way. But did you really catch anything that would be interesting in why we would call you up for documentary? Beyonce's show powerful. I'm like scared right now. I'm like earth listening shut the number standing with you in public anywhere. You wanna go fucking shot in the head to I feel very like giving his cancel on me. Not me. Think you here when the beehives literally coming. Oh my God. But I don't even still just now. And I understand there is fear in your faces. But I really didn't say anything I didn't say anything about her said some stuff that happens along somebody's career love life, and just general exist. I feel like she's miserable. Actually, I think she's not happy. How could you be? How could you be God and be happy? You know what I mean to me? It's how could you? I think is a way to be happy always, blah, blah, blah. But it's you know, Jay z keeps can't believe him getting into it's the fucking exhibit area that I have here. Like, I know nothing about this in like the periphery like I never read anything about her. Never. It's just like it's so inflicted weird. Letcher section versus out of nowhere. No proof. Let's talk about the. Receipts come later. So there was rumor, of course of him sleeping with riana. And here's a place where both of your careers are in the same genre. So it's like us. You know, we're dating a comic. And then your boyfriend the comic is dating some other comic. And you know, everybody knows in your the last one to know, and then you write an incredible album. So your career gets pushed up. So when when the reality thing happened her career got pushed up because she writes, really well coming from that sadness. She forgave him. Then he apparently learned his lesson the lesson that she kept of not sleeping with somebody else that you promise he did it again, she made lemonade literally. I mean, come on. And so it's just it's this thing that I think all women go through where it's constantly man behind them. Producers. Your dating. Right. I am dating. Are we done talking about beyond? I'll never go ahead. Because I think I mean, everything is going to be super sanitized about her and their whole relationship because it's like in a micro industry. Yeah. I think one hundred years we're gonna find out that she's like fucking Colella part two or something. You know what? I mean, there's going to be like torture dungeon or something like that. Where all the other knoll sisters or capped or something like that. She's just as wild. I don't know. Just I think she's actually very quiet and very like. 'cause when you see her interviews, she's not that interesting. She's more like when she's on stage she lights up, but an interviews. I think she doesn't do interviews because she doesn't really have that much to say I same Jay Z Cam doing interview once on like a late night show, and he could not talk. He was he was stammering. I would love to see stalkings is really weird. Maybe can only talk in verse. And I'm not saying anything like if you I've experienced that like being on stage feeling more powerful than just having a one on one. Especially when you're doing the thing that you really love and more into your writing from your heart and your actual experiences. That's hard anyway. Yes, keith. We're ready now. Well, no. For bio pic that doesn't explain the thing. You know, you just saw the dirt the Molly crew one. Yeah. And I was saying how when I was done. I remember thinking I do not like this movie with that said, I want them to do one on every band. Yeah. Amber, I wasn't necessarily Elton John fan. But there's a movie I'm excited. Tell me everything in an hour and a half. I'll be in in that. Yeah. Because even if it's a little bit off it kind of gives you an idea. So anyone who watches it kind of knows eighties about the band little they think of themselves as like heavy rockers, which they are could've done the a drink too, much and broke. By the way. I didn't mean to make you jealous talking about her being in love. I yeah. I I am in love and love is fucking terrifying. It's it's it's getting worse. Fucking thing ever things were kind of smooth sailing until this it is fucking terrifying. Who said it I it was a weird way of it. How she said it like, we Pachuca mind. Who was I mean, you look when you're having sex and stuff we have an end you might make the paper. You don't need too, much info. Comedian has actual feeling. True on the front page. Who said it I. Yeah, she did headed that go. I he looks terrified even reliving it. Are you scared? Are you scared? Yes. Hundred because it'd be onto it's beyond saying. Well, I think we're gonna find out about bianca's that she's actually also Jay z. And that's the other thing that's going to come out who said for she said at first, and when she said, it she like curled up into a ball, and then just slinked away and Shane exactly like this. Now. I know I'm definitely in love. Let it slip by accident. Kind of you. She orgasm ING at the time. I was worried about that. And I've nearly done that so many times. Oh, my oh my God. This gorgan. Actually, the first time she said, it was basically like that. And that was like our first night together. I'll congrats man, right. We hear you. And I just let it slip out. And I was like that's just drunk, and we're I would account this shit out of that why make fun of her about it now. Yeah. Sure. I never let her live that shit. And then at one point you have to say, it you have to say it was like, which is the best way to believe. The gun to my head and everything I was like, no, of course. But these say he said, she goes, I love it. He goes course. Of course, I'm gonna start instead of saying I love you to someone. I I'm just gonna say love you too. So. To all right. But you leave the I off. So it could still be three little words. Love you too. Yeah. Yeah. Do you say, you know, it is where that you're forcing me to say, how can you believe it or do you just go with forcing me, she brought up a good point? Which is that before that? I kept saying things like, oh, I love being with you a love hanging out with you. You know, the did you see the holder you thirty eight. Okay. You know, the difference what she's teaching, you know. Here's the word, you're forgetting. Thing is. Thank you. I can't believe forgetting I say your time. I say your feelings. I see your care. I say where things that you went on gummy pizza. You are right in aggregate, though. She was right did feel it. But I didn't wanna like do that. But yeah, we did. But you set then do say, right, then or do you have to see I would think I would say, I don't know. Let's say I said that to you, then you would have to even if I'm making you say it come up with a another sending away a reason not just like, I love you. And then the surprise thank you to hear. I it's interestingly, I'm thinking about it. And like, I don't have maybe gonna different place right now. I'm ten months out of like king my husband's out, my husband out and have not had sex since. But definitely take my advice. Three two. As you're saying that you didn't want to say, I love your just wasn't coming out. You're saying I love being with you. I love doing this with you. And that sounded so much better. Like right now, I feel like I don't wanna hear I love you from anybody because it's such a passive term. And I think it's an actual action. It's an axe. Like, so what you're describing is the action of like I love being with you. I love doing this with you. I love having these kinds of experiences with you is so much more valuable than I love you because it sums up all the other. You were saying so kind of takes away from like some of that. Yeah. So fuck her. What what is? I don't know. Why we 'cause if the feeling is there like what is the actual big deal about just saying it? I think I was being kind of a little bitch about it to like. Okay. Just why haven't you just said it why couldn't you just be? Did you figure it out as vulnerable? I figure I'm never going to either. No, that's a man for God's sakes. Don't do that kind of. Election. Describing. Just there's no, you know, because it's a very vulnerable thing. That's the thing. I hate about being in love is. It's it's terrifying. Is then I'm just in constant fear that this is going to be somehow taken away from me. You know, it's it's being in love a really it's like being a kid who brought a gun to school. You know, what I made about what the heads life? He's gone. Sweaty. And this you just feel so powerful. But boy, somebody could take this away at any moment. And it might go all of a sudden handle stop nodding. Cop going continue your thoughts on it over. Do. You have a manifesto a manifesto? Yeah. So while you're just had some shit usually goes with the manifesto, which is kind of checking around manifesto about what being in love being creepy. How do we end this? Wondering didn't mean it? I don't know should not being in her head off the fucking funny. Was I'm going to have a manifesto. We'll what kind do you have any forty? What are you looking for here? Twelve personal vendetta kind of will make you shoot up a whole. You have dissociate media scare you when it comes to be in a couple. My girlfriend will say let's take a picture for Instagram. And unlike you think I don't believe with the choir. Why I don't mind like what I see? I see your Twitter account Frana. Ha ha. Yeah. Okay. You can follow. And I see your girlfriend rate. Something include you with the at. Yeah. Do you have to re tweet it? Yeah. Who Hanno shaking her head? I don't I don't have to. But I thought it was cute. And I was like why not because I felt like that was her wanting to cause someone out there. And I was like I want to that. Basically. I here's the thing with the social media thing. Now that I've been in love how long we. Three weeks. I'm eighteen years old. James language, been sober longer. He's so we're now two days. He did. Okay. So here's the social meeting. I think it's you like testing like that's when I feel the need to test. That's when I'm like, like when I'm like, oh, I don't know if you actually get something. I did when I was younger like I was like, oh like if he doesn't like put on Facebook that we're together. I don't know if he really means. But like with with this guy. I'm like, you do it every fuck you on. I don't care what we do in public. Because I know that you love me. That's great. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, I don't need a Instagram picture. I don't need your like, whatever she's a comic also. So so that's got to be tough on somebody tweets up the. It's an okay tweet. But okay, tweet cute. And I was like yes, I wanna do affirm the relationship in that early in the relationship. I noticed that she saw some innocuous tweet that I did didn't retweeted. And I'm like, you know, what? Good good because now there's not this rule where to we have to God forbid, I miss one. I know making all this up. But why bother and I must not be making up because it must be coming from another relationship. Like, why didn't you? Well, is that why you wrote it? So that I would and who cares. And it's all dumb. It's a lot of pressure. And it's it's like coming from different directions. There's a lot of people going. Here's the following people have seen my Instagram story. Like, wow, you memorize that. But not you didn't like committed to memory it just happened. Like, it's just so part of this social media of who liked it who's consistently liking me who likes me to a m who likes five am likes me two in the afternoon who always tags. They're friendly. I can't one it's cause our perspective is too small at we can't grasp why something got a certain amount of likes or who saw it. Or what time it was? When we posted how data affected that. It's like, you know, what I mean? Like, we can't conceptualize that saw like, I can't believe it only this many likes. And it's like or this person. Didn't like it like that person. See it. You know what I mean? It's so funny. People are listening right now. And they're like, oh, I should follow all of them. Instagram, and it's like, oh, yeah. I'll get to that later. Hey, look at the crazy messes that we have in our heads over your God damn likes. I masturbate to everyone who likes any. Off to Graham, go to your profile, and if it's private I fucking screen cap it in larger little stupid picture right to it. That's how important your life. Started me. Well, now, you're going to bunch of likes. Thank you. My vibrator plugs in right? So USB no worries about battery good. Let's do this it matches with the likes. Sleeping. Oh, that'd be great. I'm looking at him. She started fake account. I'm looking at kinda Instagram right now. Here's a throwback Thursday. She's a little girl with a what do you call these belly dances? Right. Very provocative belly dancer and his dressed up. Like, she's had a 'continuing my mom that dress from little house on the prairie collections. Dosed at prom. Thing in my hair. And it's like a beret with with the ribbons hit a ribbon. Did you feel really pretty not realize like I guess I'm wearing this. And my hair is like this. I was like me at my. But mitzvah, also hurt you see the the sleeves poofy. And so in order to stay poofy. They have to have these like metals in them. I'm not kidding. I went to school on Monday with like bruises because it was digging into my thing. And this is pretty this is what pretty is. That's your woman though, standing next to you Develey denser that was fired on your mom or something. Okay. Okay. Kaneda you at my bought mitzvah. I had. So I got a pink frilly dress loved it. Then I straighten the bottom half of my hair. Okay. And then I put a bunch of curls on the top of my head and then corn rows into the into the curls glasses braces. Yeah. Like you were like the I trap rapper. Can grow amazing. That is so drab I felt like as beautiful as underwent four me goes or something. Sounds like you're at a hair stylist. So one of those posters, and you said, I'll take number two four and six I couldn't just fine. Hend the wrote, they strain my hair wax, my mustache and gave me some singles that are now in her bra. I became a woman. It's all true. Straightening, the hair you. Yeah. Yeah. I went to a salon, and they were like, do you wanna do you want to straighten your hair, and I thought it was just to straighten it and then do something else? But I'm like, whoa. My hair straight. I didn't even know it could do that. I didn't know I had curly hair. All I thought was frizzy hair is I didn't know you had to like win it and do there's no internet. I'm combing it. It's just a big like someone called me foofoo. I don't know if you remember this reference from Eddie Murphy's stand up. He was referencing a woman that you find in the middle of the jungle. So that she doesn't get her bitches to talk out of doing nice things to her did to you. You know what I mean? So you have to find like some woman bear back. Her hair is a fucking mess. She never talked another woman. She's gonna be ready to light devote her life to you. Her name is in FU. They love what we do. The rope ES I thought I should lose ten pounds. My parents were in agreement. It's so funny. Find it into pound. Oh, yeah. You're beautiful the concept of straightening your hair for about mitzvah too. So funny. It's like we all know come on. All our hairs like this at about mitzvah. We're we're straightening my hair here. But you know, it's funny is I was like, whoa. I can I was never able to run my hands through my hair. I was never able to style it myself. My mother was still like she had to fight with my hair of you morning. And then there were bumps if we didn't do it. Right. She would put shoot use her two hands and her mouth to like put it in bay like all this shit just trying to get my hair. So it could be some kind of team in back in whatever. So now all of a sudden, I'm running my hair my hands through my head. I can put a Borate in by myself, and when I undo it it just comes down doesn't stay in place. Something I'm never washing my hair, again, how long can I make this happen? I go to school on Monday with my hair straight. And please nobody asked me if I watched just like a soom, then somebody asked me I'd just combo. No, you couldn't have washed. I did my hair this morning by Mason. Twelve being twelve hiding twelve way too old for your mom to keep doing your hair. Let's also funny too. Because it's like today of someone else if I wash my hair like, no, not a fucking week might open. Now. I know my I only watch it like once a week now. Yeah. But I'm thirty Middle East. Don't we're all Jews. But somehow, I'm different. She's a kid. She gets her eyebrows. Done the hair strength. You know, what the rabbi say to make these kids happy? You don't even look Jewish. Yeah. Q by the way, it wasn't allowed to touch. My eyebrows wasn't allowed to pluck them until I was like I'm just going to rebel and just take a couple. Here's out why weren't you? 'cause they're Middle Eastern free. Everything is whore related why? Oh, sure to make yourself look good. It's some fuck you. Yeah. Meanwhile, it's like why aren't you married him? Because I can't look like a whore want keep looking at the horse. You can watch your most they'll be discussed. Don't be growing period before that happened. Mom. Yeah. Yeah. I ne'er mine. Oh it works. I look traumatized it'd hurt like a fucking bitch. Anyway, brunches over continue keeping us. Well, this comes in handy talk space company this therapy on your phone, right? Looking at three people that can use it. I can't see myself. We all need someone to talk to a person who can support us to rough patches or even the everyday ups and downs of life. That's we're talk space comes in it's cheaper than conventional therapy. Where you go. When you see the person, you know, probably once a week God forbid the thing troubling. You didn't happen that day? Are you even remember you won't know until you leave the office here. You just go on your phone you go I need help right now. Yeah. Also like, I went to their few times. And when I was late. 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As much as I admire you, he says, I will stop telepathically from doing this. And believe me, I am capable of executing it he wrote an open letter to me. Open ladder. Now, you just you know, what you did the weird choice easing the lease ninjas out there. And if they hurt you with their bare hands the their weapons, and they can Conair that documentary, but if they heart you with their skills, it's like having a loaded gun. So he's admitting he saying this stuff is true. And I can make people do what I want. If you ever get in trouble with the law. Can they go back and be like you said it's real you know, what I mean? So full of shit, though, you know, why into the Micropolis he's so full shit because he did this in the middle of Brexit negotiations just falling apart. Now, he's like, hey, you know, this is me actually right here. Guys this retroactively taking their response. I wanted if there is a response three Somme set. Well, listen, I'm reading a story on David Blaine David Blaine is under investigation by the NYPD blue. NYPD? That's one of the only TV shows. By the NYPD over sexual assault allegations made by two women one of whom claims he him matai her performing a sex act on him. Okay. So so whenever like, I didn't know he was known as a hypnotist. But if he is does he have to say in court like it's all bullshit or the stick stick to the bulls won validity. But what this that made me believe in magic? Wow. It's real him matai somebody and then like if you're going to have sex with the client, basically, even if you're doing it for fun. You can't because how do you know, really wore off? Seriously. You are yourself foreshore student Jeevan hypnotized someone to sleep with you you would hypnotize than the quit smoking. And then you have a report because it was so personal but ended up seeping in her head. She wants to blow. You does hypnotize me charmed charms Faulk? Yes. Yeah. Because I've been hypnotized say I've been hypnotized weird. Fucking snakes how yeah I've been hypnotized by just like assholes ordering a Bud Light at the bar, Mike. Wow ties if your dick is to bid. Like that. Both women claim to have been victimized doing separate incidents more than twenty years ago in Manhattan. One woman went to cops about a year ago and said she visited blinds apartment after a meeting with him through a friend nineteen Ninety-seven. They are she believes Blaine hypnotized her and made her masturbate him the other woman. That's a weird way. Phrasing. I don't like that the other woman contacted cops about a week ago and claimed she was sexually assaulted by Blaine at New Year's day nineteen ninety eight party in his apartment the statute of limitations in both cases have lapsed, but the special victims division's DNA goal cold case squad is conducting an ongoing probe asked of cops have tried to interview Blaine or if you've been informed about the probe and why PD blue keep doing it. And PD's Commissioner James O'Neill said I'm not going to make any comment on that. Well, here's the thing. Because he's barest to say what happened. He they went to David blinds house. David Blaine hypnotized them away. There's nothing we that. We can't put handcuffs on this mother of everything. Nothing's going to happen to him. What could they do statute of limitation is over and nobody believes women in? Yeah. Hypnosis on top of that. Nobody believes David Blaine is magic. So no one's gonna I he's he's a scary guy because I'm watching the special of his and he's not even close to you where he went to will Smith's house, all these. He puts a foam. There's a card in your foot and you signed it yesterday. What in you cut open your foot, and there's the card. I don't even mean in shoot. I mean in your foot takes out of your skin this guy. He can be figuring your girlfriend rain front. You wouldn't even know it. He doesn't have to touch you? And that's what these these female cops. They don't want to say anything. They don't to knock it as door. He can bang you from. Cross the room. You leave their pregnant because this guy's getting. This guy's getting off scot-free. David Blaine is inside me right now. He he can do it audio. Do you think you'd wear island to court meeting? He would keep it up. I don't know. That's a decision young even for slit. Secondly with. Yeah. Does he do that? Does he bring a deck of cards because who knows? Twenty does right. Is it like, let's say the women are liars. They're making it up is a class list to do cartridge outside the courtroom people are gonna want it. If people are gonna want it like, all, right? I've been proved innocent, right. Three clubs in your hair. No. But it's gonna be very interesting court where the bring up like, hey, you made this person believed that you're floating off the ground. You're made this person believed that they just made twenty dollars out of nothing after you ripped it apart. And you made this woman believes that she had to masturbate you, which one of these is you manipulating in which one of these Noces, which one of these magic like you said he'll go to jail just to not say he doesn't really know escape from jam actually one huge David Blaine track where he goes to prison break. This reminds me of Alex Jones though, right? When he went to be on trial for the sandy hook things, basically admit like, no, listen, I'm a psycho. And I'm full totally full of shit voice. And the hope was fake, right? And all that stuff. You had to like, you know, what I'm just seeing your tattoo now. And it looks like a sleeve like cover up actually really like black on top of like, a it's a black band. Just. Just totally black totally. You know, it wouldn't. It's a subtype. That's because it looks like a cover up you now have to answer all kinds of cover. That's the thing. But I'm not gonna uncover it for. I will tell you that the underside of it is not finished because I got this to in in Madrid India and Chennai India, and it was so hung over at the time of getting it that my blood was so thin that it just kept leaking out and the garlic. I can't I can't finish this now. And it was like well. Yeah. People say they don't tattoo drunk people. Everybody does. Yeah. Of course, I've gotten most of my tattoos drunk. What's on the other side? It's it's scratchy looking like, you can't see very well from here. But it's like. Arm hurts to a yet really hurt. It really really Jon Rao of the arm tattoo is Nazi. Yes. Media. It's either a girl's name very confused time of my life. Name. We're still asking. What is the John Jonah? Yeah. Jonah love family. Pity is genre. Right. So like misspelled. I love my my own. Yeah. Just just dumb. The dick. It's like his dick wrapped around his arm. That would be a great too. It was showing could get you into a fistfight on the streets. Now. Okay. Now people used to see it. And they wanna take pictures with me with it might air. David blaine. Want wanna take pictures was the artwork amazing. No, not at all the content was the content with no nudity female related other animals. No. There's nothing left. I named every. Yeah. You did you name superheroes? No, no, no, no, fictional character. Keeping more Sutin Al shit. Okay. Three more you guys. I don't know. Help me out. Now nervous. I'm going back to swat. But I'm a Hindu. I can get away with that. Okay. It's religion guys. Now that will get you punched in. Wait, three more things. It would you be embarrassed by if you were twelve. No, okay. All right. Would it make sense if you're twelve? Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Mic sense now. What would your girlfriend wasting our last one be upset with it? Yeah. Possibly okay. Oh. Oh that album the back of the guns in roses album. Where the demand alien whatever has got to make it. So you know it. Yes. That imprinted itself. I think that was the first jacked off with seeing album. I was like eight years old. And I was like, whoa. Guns and roses tattoo now. They're on sale where she's like in a back alley in her Canis are off way down like oh left. You after we do. And it's just demon. But it's rock and roll. So. Hey, did you see, of course, may have heard that Joe Biden is in the news because he's getting into women's spaces? And I'm not saying it's be funny as opposed to sexual assault. He's out in the open, but given one woman eskimo kiss. He's complaining now really grabbing women on the shoulders leaning in the pants. In public is maybe worse than private sometimes, you'll giving me an eskimo kiss and KOMO kitten eskimo Casquets if I give Hannah eskimo kiss right now. I fucking love Hannah. You all would be weirded out. Like what isn't that me rubbing noses? Whether you just be like is Jews do. I would just closed my. That's weird. And that's and that's me in Hannah. Right. Gone. Like. Like in office yet like we're eskimo guessing not enough. Not in a diner. What to fuck? Why are you here my face until he put out an apology saying, hey is about seven women. Now, this is becoming a big deal. Let me just say I'd do this two guys and women, and I shouldn't he says I should Cup his breast. He saying I shouldn't do it. But that's just my way saying, hey, I'm on your side. Go get them. Down, bro. But he still understands he's saying I will definitely look into this. We're talking about a presidential run. I hope it doesn't. It's weird forever. Like, you know, what put your face on that person's face? Like, it's weird that he ever had a thought that was like totally you know, what Sean is that we give these people the room to sit down and think about what they've done because you know, if I put my face onto Pranav right now, and we just met, and I think we're getting along if I just really lightly butterfly kiss do just on the mountain. I'm just inspired by you that weird. But I you know, what I did it. And now I'm gonna go sit down and think about why that's weird because I really think I'm a good person. If I go and sit and think about how we done with people thinking about it. Yeah. So they took this video of why do I always know not to do that? That's the thing that the instinct thing, why does your body brain soul. Tell you to do that. Is that? To fair. He did this at a funeral. Okay. I'm just. Contacts knew where I wanna be touch funeral. So Joe Biden puts out a shitty iphone apology cameras vertebral Joe Biden using. I'm curious who's holding the other and he's sitting on a couch? Explain hey, I apologize for that. Donald Trump puts out an did he at the end of that video. So as you can understand I'm really sitting and thinking. The phone. One figure. Such a scary thing. Those scary. He ends all sentences with a wink now, if someone grabs my ass, it's horrible. But I get it. But someone just like touches my cheek or something. What are you doing? This doesn't feel against the law. Donald Trump puts out a video of its that video of Joe Biden. And then Joe Biden comes up behind Joe Biden, putting his hands on this shoulders and lee-ing goes behind Joe Biden. Yes, Joe Biden superimposed to come behind him south and do these creepy things he's done before Donald Trump rates. Welcome back. Joe? This is the grabbing by the pussy guy, of course of Clinton. But it doesn't stop them like all people who shouldn't be talking about sexual assault sexual cases against them walking into miss Tina America, while the women are changing clothes giving his daughter eskimo kisses. And boy does he wanna fuck his daughter kissing his daughters pussy. Yeah. He's been very vulnerable and open about I appreciate it. Doesn't matter because I'm gonna I'm gonna pick on Joe. He's a hard time today. Doing it's weird to see the president like clowning. What are you doing doing this doing any of this? You spent the morning making a me. Like, you're a Geller work on this guy. Make him come down a little bit. He's in the news right now, the president for some good. He's anti windmill. He doesn't think that's good for environment. That's the most stuck in Don Quixote shit. I'm ever heard my life to if you have any text line that more we all understand affected us negativity from the start if you have a windmill anywhere in there your house. Congratulations your house just went down seventy five percent value. And they say the noise causes cancer the noise. Yes can did know. So he got he has proof that it's seventy five percent or he just makes up seventy five. Well, they say the quotas. They say, ooh, they also now he is using the right pronouns the mirror can Cancer Society says. I want to say anything you want. So I'm going to tell you, it doesn't work say anything you say anything, how do you? How do you be a what do they call the people in charge of your campaign campaign managers? How do you be a campaign manager now with any real fought? Do you know what I mean? Like, you don't have to do you wanna Rondeau say shit? No. Yeah. Say what honest to God. I don't even like the opposite of stuff. I don't even know just stand up straight. You'll be good people love that come your hair and don't honestly Turco a little bit or not too much. Tell you what to give people massages just walk around the campaign manager for any of them for Bush for Clinton. Do you look at this number a we have a strategy. There's nothing now. I don't know sit on a toilet and give a speech really not exaggerated on care. It's anything. Oh, yeah. You don't know. What's going to connect them? What what doesn't? It's always to me. It's been like if you just razzle-dazzle him, right? Like if you got a good smile people like you, and that's all you need. But like night or even need that you could be a monster. We really yes, sure. Like like there's enough. There's no redeeming qualities about Donald Trump. We could use a monster. Yeah. I was with cadence. This guy's like for words. He says numbers. Still me both for someone who says words tell me what to do. I wanna do. I almost voted for a color orange. The other day that video clip of him saying orange every other seconded to see the origins. The know how to do we kept saying the orange of this policy, and then he would keep saying the beginning of it. Because obviously he knows he saying it wrong. But it keeps going for when you were in school teacher would say, you know, this kind of behavior. It's going to the political won't nothing. Well, what did you do today? I'm thinking in forty years, I'm going to run for president. So a peed on Bob. Turns out. It was the right thing to do cares. Who cares? Anyway, these are the Twitter accounts. You should follow. Right grabs for presidents. Right pronto. Ha ha see what's going on there? Okay. That's not Bihar course, Hannah Boone you can follow as well. That's Boone comedy. Okay. Follow us at Keith. And the girl get off. Yeah. Right. You heard what it does? She doesn't know happiness anymore and a little a little light on their full makes her day. You just described happiness. Get it. Yeah. That's what changes my vibrator. Let's do it. So those talks basical. Okay. 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The Gatekeepers: Chris Turgeon

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The Gatekeepers: Chris Turgeon

"The graphic nature of this cult's crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of abuse and murder that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Dawn wasn't wet on March twenty, nine, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight. This was the norm for the sleepy hamlet of mountlake terrace on Washington's puget sound but thirty, four year old Chris Turgeon and twenty seven year old Blaine Aplin didn't notice the rain they were deep in thought preparing to carry out God's latest demand Blaine had spent the roughly nineteen hour drive from San Diego California manically praying from the passenger seat. He studied his spiritual leader who seemed so calm. So focused Blaine wondered why he couldn't match Chris's serenity. He begged God for a sign as the pair near their old neighborhood Blaine. saw it a magnificent rainbow. Chris claimed it was a sign from God that they were on the right path. It seemed it would be blessed journey. Finally, they reached their old friends trailer after a day of non-stop Driving Chris only managed to not to blame as if to say, it's now or Never Blaine exited the car with each step blades prayers intensified. He muttered it's God's will. It's God's will he knocked on the door and his old buddy Dan? Jess opened up Boyne said Dan I need your help Dan smiled and his eyes overflowed with sympathy for his estranged friend. But before he could welcome him in blame put a pin stole to his head. Hi, I'm Greg Poulsen. Richardson and this is called Apar- cast original every Tuesday we look at cults practices, their leader, and their followers. You can find all episodes of colts. All other podcast originals for free on spotify over every listen to podcasts just dream cults for free on spotify, just open the APP and type colts and the search bar this week in a one part episode, we're taking a deep dive into the tight knit community known as the gatekeepers. The cult was established as a casual Bible Study Group in Nineteen ninety-one. But born again, founder Chris version believed God called him to bring judgment on Earth. In the late nineteen ninety s Chris grew paranoid that a secret satanic branch of government was after him. He armed his members to the hilt and convinced them to carry out illegal acts on his behalf including murder. Coming up, we'll put Christopher turgeon under the microscope. This episode is brought to you by hub spot is your content management system. You back managing your website doesn't have to be complex with CMS hub. You can move quickly grow your business and deliver a great customer experience all from one platform learn more about cms hub at hub spot, dot com slash spotify. Stories of Christchurch's upbringing are few and far between but he claimed his biological father was a strong. Coo beat his mother Lucky for Chris. Father? Didn't stick around. When Chris was still young, his mother met his stepfather Edward. Turgeon, was a relatively decent man who adopted Chris and his two siblings. Edward Love the children, but took a special interest in Chris when they bonded over. Music. Edward can recall Chris's many school concerts where he played the saxophone and clarinet. Edward. Remembered, Chris as a quiet child with a short attention span who kept to himself as a teenager friends used to call Chris Opie a shout out to the kid from the Andy Griffith show in his free time he spent hours reading the Bible alone in his room. While the rest of Chris's earliest years remain a total mystery. We do know he left home to attend a Bible College around Nineteen eighty-three at nineteen years. Old Chris knew the Bible inside and out classmates often came to him for life advice and he had a knack for coding just the right piece of scripture to help. Chris was also known for his musical talent whenever you got the chance he sat in the campus quad playing his saxophone students gathered to hear his jazzy renditions of their favorite hymns while he didn't advertise it to his schoolmates. When Chris Started College, he heard the Voice of God. Early in his first fall semester, he locked himself in his dorm room to read the Bible cover to cover out of nowhere everything went dark a pinprick of light illuminated a passage from hezekiel thirty, three, thirty, three. And they shall know a prophet has been among them. Then the Lord appeared to tell Chris that he was the reincarnation of the Prophet Elijah God said he was chosen to prepare Christians for judgment and I Chris wondered if he was dreaming but then he heard God's voice a few nights later affirming that he was meant to lead clerics life Vanessa's going to take over and let psychology here, and throughout the episode please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks. Greg. For the British Psychological Society Researchers Simon McCarthy. and. Long note that hearing God's voice has often been interpreted as a symptom of brain disease synonymous with schizophrenia while Chris believed, visions were genuine. He was aware that others might think he was psychotic afraid others would mock him. Chris initially kept the divine visions to himself fresh out of College Chris took the Lord's message to heart and started preaching wherever he could. He made his way around the garden variety suburbs of Seattle. But he had trouble finding stable pastoral work at a church Chris needed to make money somehow and eventually found a job managing a. Small apartment complex in Everett Washington just outside of Seattle Chris's life remained relatively uninteresting until around nineteen ninety one when God began speaking to twenty-seven-year-old Chris turgeon. Once again, according to Chris God ordered him to form his own church right there in his little apartment Chris reached out to a handful of guys he'd connected with around town and invited them to participate in a casual Bible study. Group they met regularly and Chris called the congregation to be a a saw prophetic ministries in Hebrew that meant to act with God's love intent on growing his congregation. Chris. Tenants to attend group meetings while recruitment wasn't his strong suit. A couple of lost souls accepted Chris's invitations. The seven members that joined felt soothed by his presence. Chris Listen Dan feigned concern he offered his members thoughtful responses when they asked about the meaning of life for where loved one went after they died not only was he comforting to his mini flock but he made gathering for a Haba Assam meetings fun. He offered snacks and played biblical Trivia Games some members recalled that Convening in Chris's apartment felt like a family get together as the new preacher in town. Chris made a lasting impression on local pastors disappears admitted. He was articulate and well versed in scripture but they were concerned Chris seemed to centrist message on destruction in the final days. This worried some preachers it seemed Chris pushed all the right buttons to get his congregation to depend on. Him instead of God the more Chris Claim to hear the Lord's speak the more he claimed that he alone could sense. God's will on Earth Chris then tightened his grip over his church members by implementing strict rules. He even dictated when they could engage in intimate acts or what television they could watch the members trusted Chris. So they complied Chris tried to expand his church. By poaching congregants from the neighborhood clergy earning him much of their ir, but it seem that may have only felt empowered by the competitions disapproval as it meant, he was getting noticed Chris escalated the disagreement in nineteen ninety two when he claimed that the local church's teachings were deviant that he warned church leaders that Jesus instructed him that a mighty wind would set Washington churches. Aflame later that same year Chris's prophecies began to come true churches started burning down around Seattle suburbs devastating the parishioners even churches increases own neighborhood were affected one night. The streets near Christmas apartment complex were filled with a warm glow. It's possible to imagine Chris Waking Up to the light through his window their foot he might have stepped out the front door as a hungry. Fire devoured the roof of the church down the street he couldn't help. But SMIRK, he said they were all damned but nobody listen and now the Lord's wrath brought smoke and flames to Chris the destruction wrought by the serial arsonist was affirmation of his creators message while other passengers were comforting frightened congregants. Chris used the tragedies as marketing opportunity. Chris told his followers to recruit. As many people as they could one area preacher called the local papers to out Chris for his total lack of sensitivity. But the time media criticism didn't stop his exploitative response to the devastation though Chris was in no way responsible for the acts of arson he did exhibit a blatant disregard for the people who had been affected by the tragedies and by early nineteen ninety-three. As, his congregation grew in size twenty, nine year old Chris's teachings grew more radical. He constantly gave sermons about the end of days. He routinely preached about male dominance over women considering feminism and abomination. You also had an intense hatred for homosexuals and he condemned almost any alternative point of view. His clerical peers were deeply concerned in fact, one pastor called him a dangerous man. Instead of worrying about his reputation among other men of God Chris Focused on spinning his influence to snare those who came to hear him preach sometime after the fires subsided, he changed the name of his ministry to the gatekeepers Kris, told his followers that they were chosen by God as the keepers of the gate to salvation. He said, he was the sole gatekeeper to their spiritual evolution and only he. Could answer their questions about sanctity. If his congregants grew skeptical, he would simply remind them that he was the one who spoke with God. He said the Lord showed Him a vision of the apocalypse. He warned his followers that the world as they knew, it would end in twenty two years on March twenty second two, thousand four they were either with him and God or they would end up in hell. Next Chris turgeon's radical teachings lead to radical violence. Pi It's Greg podcast has a brand new series. Sure to become your next podcast obsession. It's called medical murders and it exposes a dark and disturbing diagnosis that not every doctor wants to extend your life. Every Wednesday medical murders introduces you to the worst to the medical community has to offer men. Women took an oath to save lives, but instead use their expertise to develop more sinister specialties. Join? Host. Alistair burden has he examines the formative years and motives of history's most infamous killers dissecting their medical backgrounds with expert analysis and professional insight provided by practicing MD Dr David Kipper. 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One of the things I was happy to discover is that simply safe offers water leakage sensors as well as why you're in carbon monoxide alarms as add ons at those features to their twenty, four, seven professional monitoring and emergency dispatch, which starts at just fifty cents a day and your home is pretty well protected. It's no surprise that simply safe was named best overall home security of twenty by US News and world. report. Head to simplisafe dot com slash colts and get a free HD camera that simply safe dot com slash colts to make sure they know that our show sent you. Now back to the story by Nineteen Ninety three, twenty, nine year old preacher Chris turgeon was growing his casual Bible, study group. The gatekeepers in his small apartment though generally disarming the young religious leader had started to exhibit characteristics that some saw as dangerous Chris tergence church consisted of a few voted families and three minute. Their early twenties made up the core of the cult they receive Chapman Blaine Aplin and Brian Stevens the three of them were vulnerable and Chris. Was There Blaine Aplin was addicted to alcohol and drugs and looking for help chapman had low self esteem and no career prospects Stevens had no idea what he wanted to do. He was still in college and searching for greater meaning Dan Jess a man almost fifteen years older than the others was another key member. He was a former marine also looking for meaning in his life. All of these men needed guidance and Chris was the only one offering it to them. The group also included some of the men's wives and young children all in the total number of congregants in Chris's flock grew to between fifteen and twenty five members. But what they lacked in size they made up for in devotion to Chris Chris controlled everything the gatekeepers did he monitored what they said and what they were allowed to watch on television even determined who they could marry and when they were allowed to hold a ceremony by the end of nineteen ninety-three, Chris had managed to isolate his flock from their friends and family members. He wanted to pit his tiny army of disciples against the evil world and ensure their dependence on him. To cement their loyalty he shared an important story. This likely made the gatekeepers feel special like they were part of some divine mission. He told them God wants came to him and said, you are the Elijah to come I did not allow your father to kill you or your mother to kill you. You are to bring a message of restoration and judgment on this world in the Old Testament. Elisha was a vessel through which God performed many miracles. The profit brought a dead boy back to life and some in fire from the skies he was also one of the only people able to pass through the. Gates of Heaven Alive Chris also told the group Elijah was God's law enforcer and the God wanted them to kill the wicked to him that meant the deaths of those in the LGBTQ plus community healthcare workers who facilitated abortions and witches which seemed to be his blanket term for anyone who supported women's rights. She even decided that people who casually read their horoscopes were on the gatekeepers plunder list but Chris wouldn't just tell his minions about these evil tours. He presented God's vision in Song whenever he had an important message to deliver he off his chair sat with his musical instrument and welcomed Elijah's spirit as he. Started to play like the Pied Piper Chris Played Eerie Tunes and Sang indecipherable lyrics. The ritual was his version of speaking in tongues but if anyone questioned his teachings, Chris, threatened them with eternal damnation. In fact, he often lost patience with the groups child members for asking too many questions and the penalties for acting against the prophet were harsh according to some accounts one night he allegedly ordered the gatekeepers to line up their kids single file than he had their parents beat them hard with paddles even family pets weren't free from Chris's violent bidding. One story claims that when a dog scratched him while playing. Fetch Chris. Had the animal shot shortly after Kris began teaching that the Holy Father urged certain infractions as a way to eradicate evil in the world. Then Chris, laid out plans for the gatekeepers to commit fraud and theft assuring his followers that God wouldn't let them go to jail with Christ behind them. They gatekeepers had no problems swiping food from liquor stores pickpocketing or beating up in this and people to get the cash they needed. They thought they were doing God's work but in reality there, thefts and indiscretions were just away to subsidize Chris's latest plot amassing an arsenal of weapons intended to protect his group from the apocalypse. By nineteen, ninety, six, thirty, two, year old. Chris was reciting passages from right wing survivalist literature almost as much as he quoted scripture his desire to arm the group became an obsession. Many of Chris's sermons were drawn from the book of revelation. His lessons highlighted the apocalypse one day Chris told the group God wanted the gatekeepers to declare war on the government without hesitation most members agreed to the mission but one member didn't accept Chris's ominous rhetoric and the resulting criminal activity. It was the ex Marine Dan Jess Dan believed in a loving God and questioned the version who spoke through Chris Dan voiced his dissent but Chris shut him down saying if he wasn't with the gatekeepers he was against them. Dan Did, what he felt was right and excommunicated himself from Chris's Church dense departure left Chris feeling endangered though Dan had done nothing to inspire it Chris obsessed over the thought of someone reporting the group to child protective services. So in fall of nineteen ninety-seven, thirty-three-year-old Kris told the remaining gatekeepers they were moving to a town called Paula located forty miles north of San Diego. California Chris found a home in the middle of nowhere situated on five acres of a vast Indian reservation. They're the gatekeepers basked in unbeatable privacy and all shared the same. Chris secured the property by building a high chain link fence but new compound consisted at the house, a chicken coop and a few rickety storage sheds from here. Chris could protect the gatekeepers from the influence of outsiders because the outside world posed such a threat to the sect. Both men and women carried weapons with them at all times, guns and other end days provisions were hidden throughout the property to cover the costs of their basic needs. The gatekeeper is sometimes broke rubber checks that collected to pay. Their rent and ignored their bills again Chris used bits of scripture like eye for eye or tooth for tooth to convince his devotees that they deserve to take the property of the wicked in order to survive members had to agree with Chris, they depended on their leader for shelter food for themselves and their children, and even for emotional support. Chris successfully fostered their utter dependence on him with the exception of course of Dan. Jess. Dan was a low key guy, a forty year old often described as. A gentle giant who wouldn't hurt a fly get always been deeply spiritual even before joining the gatekeepers and while the enjoy the Camaraderie of the faithful members, he felt their mission had gone awry when the gatekeepers skipped town Dan was left confused about his beliefs he tried to reintegrate among old friends calling people. He hadn't seen since he joined the sacked a couple of years prior struggling with his faith after his departure from the group he told one front he thought about just giving up for Dan. Staying away proved to be almost as hard as witnessing the groups corruption and these thoughts are normal for former cult members according to Marlene L. leaving the fold means the loss of friends and family support at a crucial time of personal transition leaving also means debilitating anxiety grief and anger. Furthermore, the phobia indoctrination makes it difficult to avoid the stabbing thought that one is made a terrible mistake thinking what if they were right but in his heart of hearts Dan New Chris sent the gatekeepers weren't trade. He turned to his childhood friends for help with rehabilitating his faith they prayed with him for hours. Slowly, Dan repaired his spiritual practice. He found a new job and work to adopt a more outlook on March twenty seventh nineteen, Ninety, eight, forty year old Dan just went to see a friend and pick up a new Bible. Dan said I know what? It's like to have the peace of God and love in me. Around that same time, Dan received a phone call from the bank. He was implicated as having signed a bum check. Immediately, he called Chris. Dan told Chris he didn't agree with sex continued criminal activity. He said his God wouldn't condone that dishonesty. He wanted no part of hurting others even if they were wicked Chris. Likely. Insisted there would be hell to pay have. Dan. Didn't join the group Paula that's when Dan called Chris a false prophet Dan said if Chris didn't leave him be he would let the police know about the group's transgressions. Those in the House with Chris Remember him being unusually Andri after the call fuming Chris called an emergency meeting up the gatekeepers he told them Dan was going to disclose they're frauds and location in a panic. He ran to the piano to summon the word of God Chris hit the keys hard as gods sang through him. He called on the gatekeepers to destroy their number one enemy Dan jess suddenly. Year Old Blaine. APLIN. Jumped up. He confessed God told him to shoot Dan Jess. The other members erupted with praise and blame just kept singing. This is God's will. This is God's will as they sped up the interstate that spring morning in nineteen, Ninety, eight, thirty, four, year, old Chris blasted Christian speed metal. He was psyching Blaine up to carry out God's. Mission but blamed didn't seem to hear the music instead he kept mumbling his mantra. This is God's will. This is God's will clad in camouflage. Chris was cool as a cucumber by the time they crossed the Oregon Washington border they've been driving for about sixteen hours straight but Blaine couldn't sit still he begged God for a sign anything the skies opened up. Their beat up sedan kicked up lots of water but they drove on when Chris finally pulled off the highway. The threat of rain had subsided. The men made their way to mountlake terrace though it was barely dawn Blaine got the sign he'd been hoping for through the windshield. The men saw the sky light up with the most beautiful hughes cutting the horizon was a rainbow. This was the undeniable signal from God. Blaine. Needed excited. He chanted this is God's will. This is God's will Chris and Blaine pulled up to an old trailer park behind a dilapidated house it was still. So early the street was silent except for the slow drip of residual rain on the trailers Tin Awning. Chris Part Blaine got out of the car and made his way to the trailer door. A few seconds past before Blaine, her to rustling inside within a minute. Dan. Jess, opened the. Though half asleep he was genuinely pleased to see his friend but blame looked distraught Dan asked if he was okay Blaine could only nod but not convincingly. He said he needed help that Chris was out of control. Dance Eyes Widen with empathy having recently struggled to cut ties himself. He assumed to know what Blaine must have been going through. He wanted to invite his friend in and calm him. But. He wouldn't get the chance blame raised his glock nine millimeter pistol and sent several bullets racing into Dan's body. He watched his friend hit the floor in shock. He stood in the doorway looking at the corpse. It wasn't until the site of Dan's blood him that Blaine came to and bolted for the getaway car. 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P., dot com slash colts pod. Now, back to the story throughout the nineteen nineties. Chris. Turgeon the hyper intellectual preacher who sometimes displayed sociopathic tendencies convinced his flock the gatekeepers he was born to bring judgment to this earth in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, thirty, four, year, old Chris, and his disciple twenty-seven-year-old. Blaine Aplin drove from the southern California desert to the suburbs of Seattle Washington to murder former cult member Dan chess mountlake terrace wasn't a town familiar with crime in fact, homicides only occurred there on average about once every twelve years though there were no. Glaring. Signs of forced entry the police did have a few leads for one thing dance neighbor saw white male running from the scene of the crime to the getaway car. Another acquaintance explained to the police that Dan used to be involved with a fanatic religious sect based on his description authorities pulled the images of four possible cult members without hesitation. The witness identified Blaine Aplin as the primary suspect. Blaine. Also left another clue at the crime scene a collection of discarded shell casings though Chris and Blaine had wiped the casings of their. Investigators discerned the type of gun used it was a glock nine millimeter. If they could find it, they'd have their murderer all signs pointed to the gatekeepers but their whereabouts were unclear investigators entered the cult members, credit cards, and other information into a national database. Then they waited Chris and Blaine thought they'd gotten off Scot free feeling totally backed by God they went back to San Diego and stepped up their criminal activity. They robbed what they considered to be evil businesses usually taking a few hundred bucks from each establishment in June nineteen, ninety eight, the authorities finally got a hit a wife of one of the male cult members used. Her Social Security number at a postal store in Carlsbad California just north of San Diego this confirmed the colts location on the Indian reservation. Then in July thirty, four year old Chris and twenty-seven-year-old Blaine entered the risque lingerie store in San Diego, wearing wigs and sunglasses. Once inside, they held a young model at gunpoint, they demanded she fork over her cash when she refused Chris and Blaine handcuffed her stole her earrings and made a run for it fleeing the scene. Chris. Made an illegal turn sped off a radically right away. He was spotted by San Diego PD officer Leonard. Laughter. Officer. Leffler was hosting his young nephew on civilian ride along. To show him the ropes Leffler radioed in for a license plate check. Then he flipped the Siren and trailed the speeding duo officer leffler tried to pull the men over to no avail. He followed Chris and Blaine onto the interstate suddenly the officer and his nephew heard a gunshot. Then another Leffler called for backup blamed pocketed his pistol and grabbed the loaded AK47 from the backseat he fired relentlessly at the officer in the kid penetrating their windshield to protect the child leffler pulled to the shoulder. But by then highway patrol and a few other city officers had arrived to take over three new cars trailed krizan Blaine until one officer was able to enact a pit maneuver forcing Chris and blame. To turn abruptly sideways Chris lost his hand on the vehicle and spun into the shoulder surrounded. The men didn't put up a fight and the police got there suspects immediately following the chase the cops took Chris and Blaine into custody identified the two criminals as the cult members. The mountlake terrace police had been enquiring after they discovered two revolvers a semiautomatic rifle with a scope in the men's possession. Finally, while padding blame down the cops found a glock nine millimeter pistol, it was just the piece of evidence. The Washington team had been looking for in addition to being accused of shooting at the San Diego Patrol car the men were charged for a string of California robberies attempted armed robberies and false. Imprisonment the authorities in San Diego contacted the investigators from mountlake terrace. The Washington team flew down to test the glock. It didn't take long to confirm the gun was Dan Jessica's murder weapon. With this physical evidence, the investigators could obtain the warrants they needed to search the Pala compound. A SWAT team was sent to the Desert House, and they found weapons everywhere. There were firearms in the living quarters and hidden in the bushes. The garage was full of handguns and AK47's by catching Chris. Then the police felt they had prevented a much more violent act in the future this might explain why visitors didn't rush to see Chris in jail Blaine on the other hand was quickly visited by his parents who Travelled down to see their saen during their visit. Blame was STOIC. He seemed slightly remorseful but he told his parents, God made him kill Dan Jess. He said the Lord wouldn't let him rot in jail blades parents knew he was caught in crisis snare. They tried to reason with their boy but Blaine wouldn't have it. He stood up and left escorted from the room by the guards from their prison cells Chris and Blaine awaited their trials. Justice was swift as they were soon convicted of seventeen felonies in California alone. Blaine was sentenced to one hundred one years in prison while Chris. TURGEON was sentenced to nine years after facing justice in San Diego. They were transported to Washington for the homicide hearing. Throughout the Trial Chris Sat Upright Confident, the Lord was on his side he testified to hearing God's Voice instruct him to carry out Dan's execution. Almost all courts consider this type of hallucination as a sign of mental illness but Chris refused insanity pleas instead Chris insisted God's commandment to kill. Dan was real though passionate about his claims he seemed sane in every other respect according to Linda Ross Myers article in the pace law review entitled unreasonable revelations God told Me To kill divine revelation is the only sign of unusual cognition. In this case, the two murderers seemed to be following traditional religious doctrines for evaluating their divine communications including being filled with hope and passion after being given instruction and feeling at. Peace with your actions at the trial Chris and blamed testified that together they had prayed and asked God to stop them. If they were on the wrong path, they even told the court, God sent them seven rainbows though Chris Dawn his defense throughout the trial Blaine apologized again, and again, he described intense feelings of remorse for taking his innocent friends life. Ultimately, his defense laid out that Blaine was deceived and manipulated by a masterful psychopath Christopher turgeon. The defense's psychiatrist testified that Blaine new his acts were illegal but they couldn't say whether or not he possessed the ability to tell right from wrong. Still the jury rejected his plea of Insanity convicting him of first degree murder Chris on the other hand put. On quite a show in court he said his defense team who tried to prove his insanity was working for Satan, he maintained he was entirely saying but took timeouts during his testimony to condemn the country for its wickedness. He also relentlessly repeated that destruction was Ni- he the national anthem and attempted to show the jury photos of abortions. Additionally, he said if God asked him to, he would do it all over. Again. Chris was also found guilty of first degree murder in addition to his one hundred and one year sentence. In California the State of Washington Sentence Blaine, to thirty nine years for the homicide. As Chris awaited his punishment, he delivered a stirring ten minute sermon to the court he railed on. America for legalizing abortion, supporting gay rights and allowing equal rights for women. He begged the court to repent from their wicked deeds. He reminded his audience that judgment was at hand, and in fact, his was Chris was sentenced to fifty years in prison. For Dan, Jess's murder after Kris and Blaine were locked up the rest of the gatekeepers disbanded members were devastated. They trusted their leader, the supposed Prophet Elijah and had to work to accept their new reality. Their hero was just a mad conman. Strangely Chris's prediction that the world would end on March twenty second two, thousand four was somewhat accurate for it was on that day that the State Court of appeals upheld his conviction for the murder of Dan. Chess. Today Christopher Turgid remains in jail inmates say he's welcome because he can still be heard preaching and on occasion he even plays his music for all to hear. Thanks again for tuning into colts be back. Tuesday. With a new episode for more information on. Chris turgeon and the gatekeepers amongst the many sources we used, we found the justification of religious violence by Steve Clarke extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of called sent. All other park has originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. 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exculpate

Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day

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exculpate

"Webster word of the day. Four November sixteen. Today's word is exculpate spelled E X C U L P A, T exculpate is a verb. That means to clear from alleged fault or guilt. Here's the word used in a sentence from the New York Times by Margaret Lyons. But the longer end more often, you miss remember, something the truer, it becomes miss remembering a bad thing as less bad might liberate a survivor, but it also might exculpate a perpetrator. You need not take the blame. If you're unfamiliar with the origins of the word exculpate, and we'd be glad to enlighten you. If that's the case the word, which was adopted in the seventeenth century from the medieval Latin word ex school, patios, traces back to the Latin noun pot, meaning blame some other descendants of Kupa in English include culpable, meaning meriting condemnation are Blaine and inculpate meaning incriminate as well as the considerably more rare culpa, Tori, meaning accusing and discolored eight which is a synonym of exculpate. You may also be familiar with the borrowed Latin phrase may COPA which translates directly as through my fault, and is used in English to mean, a formal acknowledgement of personal fault or error with your word of the day. I'm Peter Sokolski. Visit Mary and Webster dot com today for definitions wordplay and trending word look ups.

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Interview with Crime Writer Blaine Pardoe  S. 5, Ep. 17

The Crime Cafe

27:23 min | 11 months ago

Interview with Crime Writer Blaine Pardoe S. 5, Ep. 17

"And everyone this is the crime. Cafe you're podcasting source of great crime. Suspense Thriller Writing. I'm your host Debbie Mac before I bring on my guest. I'll just remind you that. The Crime Cafe has to e books for sale. Will the nine book box set and the short story anthology. You can find the by links for both on my website. Debbie MAC DOT com the E. B. B. I may CK DOT com under the crime. Cafe Link you can also get free copy of either book look if you become a Patriot supporter. You'll get that and much more if you support the podcast on Patriot along with our eternal gratitude for for doing so. I'm happy to say that. The podcast is sponsored this month by Blueberry podcasting if you either have a podcast I want to start one. I use them and I highly recommend them. Blueberry podcasting makes my job much easier for one thing. I have wordpress website and blueberry only requires you use their power press plug into work. But you don't have to be a wordpress user to launch a podcast with Blueberry Blueberry podcasting so there is flexibility the best part is you don't have to be technical genius to use Blueberry podcasting nothing but if you run into trouble. Blueberry podcasting has five day phone support and seventy emails support. I love that. So we'll get thirty days of Blueberry podcasting free this includes hosting an stats and a wordpress site if you need. One publishing is as simple simple. As create upload publish just use the Alpha Numeric Promo Code B. L. U. Zero one one to get started today. Hi Everyone today's scancen award winning New York Times bestselling author of numerous books in a wide variety of genres including true crimes is also a historian which I think is way cool. It's my great pleasure pleasure to introduce Blaine pardoe. I thanks for having me on. Sure thing he'd be here and Let's see you've had a really interesting career. I didn't get to talk to any crime authors who are also nonfiction Australian writers. So how'd when you get into that. Actually yeah I tend to write the things I like to read so From my youth I've been reading true crime and and I've been reading military history and When I became a writer I was writing primarily science fiction and told my agent and I wanted to get into writing some military history and he was like that's crazy? You don't go that direction and I said well I do and so I started going into that and wrote a number of military history. Books really enjoyed doing that and You know that I decided well. Well you know what I always like true crime. I'll go branch into that. I found that really. The amount of research It there's a difference to where you go to get the information. But the actual research methodologies are pretty similar between writing Historical nonfiction and writing transcribe I was GONNA say Is it more difficult you said you have a preference for cold cases in older cases. Is it more difficult to rounded handed out recent or ongoing cases. Yeah I you know the problem is the wounds are all pretty new. And you know I'd love to do some current cases especially some that are out. There now are absolutely fascinating at the problem is as you know it. It's so new and it's so fresh instill so painful for the victims families etcetera to deal with it is it's very very hard for people to be the objective and what they're saying it's a lot easier with the Cole case. That might go back to the nineteen sixties seventies or eighties to go back to an older cold-case. You're able to really get some objectivity now. People's memories are worse. But they're able to talk talk about it a lot more. Because they've talked about it so many times and I found that's been easier for us to to get yo in terms terms of interviewing people to be able to get them to open up about it I would think they would have more perspective on that point I and sometimes times sometimes. Yeah but there's also the aspect of police wanting to conduct an investigation without giving out too much information as soon we know it. When you're dealing with cold cases it always helps to have law enforcement on nearside and say yes that would be a help but We have persistent hurting. Yeah we've had situations where we've been able to work with law enforcement and open up the case files and go from there. We've also had cases where law enforcement said. We will not cooperate and those are harder to do. That's frustrating and you kinda pound your head a lot on the house but Yeah there's ways around that and I I find a lot of former investigators and they're more than willing to talk about that when a case. Yeah we just did a book on the Freeway Phantom which was a serial killing having spree in Washington. DC in the nineteen seventies and. The police are still going. It's an active investigation. We're following all AIDS. Well look it's forty eight years old if you haven't solved it you're not going to at this point or or best you're going to find that the perpetrators dad bad you know. But they still won't open the case files for us but we found some former investigators who were able to share. They kept copies of things and that was helpful for us and they more than willing to share some good a this book and the one especially kind of evil which you're giving away were collaborations with your daughter correct. Yes yes yes. I've done a number of books on my daughter. So when did you start collaborating. It was a few years ago. I I got approached by law enforcement officer about a cold case in my hometown. I had just written a book on a cold case in my hometown in Michigan There was on the murder Maggie Him and my daughter's always miniature grab fan and she loves to write and I thought well what the heck you know we've never never I've never written with someone collaboratively and I knew her writing style was pretty close to mine so I I called her up and said how are you interested in doing this. And she was all over so we traveled up to Michigan and many trips. Did the research split the book up. Yeah edited each other's work Really kind of dove into it and it's it's actually been kind of fun. I wouldn't say father daughter experience as much as it's just been fun writing with someone who so much younger whose perspective activists so much different than than an old fart like me. You know I look at things a certain way and she. She offers kind of a different in perspective and that's very useful. That's fantastic actually. Sounds wonderful so it sounds like you guys are collaborate world together. We we do we. You know it's a little weird I would tell people I used to work with A. I'm taking my daughter out to murder scenes this weekend and you always just kind of get kind of a weird look from people anyway but yeah touching. What kind of father you? But it's it. We actually had a good time with a lot of it. And it's time for us to talk and I think my wife enjoys it from a perspective of she doesn't like I hearing about some of these cases gruesome. They are by daughters nurse. So it's not a big deal if we start talking about well did you see this in the autopsy see photo and Oh my God. I couldn't believe they put their hands there. Yeah things along those lines you look at it. Dow Wife GotTa cringed at it but by daughter gets into it so it makes it a little bit easier to work as I can imagine. Your blog post was about the Kevin Bacon murder You you tell a little bit more case in how you got involved was reading about it. Well it's really interesting. My son lives in Michigan. We're which is where I'm I was raised. I was born in Virginia but raised there and he was down for the holidays and started talking about somebody who had gone on missing at that point on Christmas and he said it's kind of interesting he said this guy was going to come and shadow me at my salon. My son owns a hair salon. Ascetic Air Company owns it in Ferndale Michigan he said this guy was going to come in shadow us for a day. You you know kind of sit in our Salon Watch US work. And he's gone missing and over the holiday he ended up. They start finding his car with all the his his phone and Wallet and Clothing in the car in its in Michigan in the winter. You really know things are not going well for whoever advert. The victim wasn't in this case. It was Kevin Bacon And you know we kind of followed it and it really impacted my son a great great deal because it was his first time somebody he knew or had any sort of association with a yeah was involved in such a crime and as more word more facts of are coming out. I was just reading a news report today about it. That the head. They've apprehended the man who's done it. And he's planning on pleading guilty realty by reason of insanity but he'd literally kidnapped Kevin Bacon took him to his house Cut His throat strung strung him up in the rafters and was cannibalizing. His body And it's absolutely stunning so you you never know where the next leader tip comes in. And I think what's really interesting about this case is I didn't know a lot about the dating seen an online dating. I'm I'm fifty seven years old. I used to meet people by meaning people the old fashioned way we go to a bar or something but data the whole scene with grinder and how you know gay men and and gay people use these applications and straight straight people as well to to meet people and some of the risks that are involved with that and where you meet the people where you go things things on those i. It's my son's been able to explain quite a bit of it to mandate it's it's worth noting it's yeah there's a cautionary tale and there as well l.. Unfortunately I feel like the victim is being a little bit. Omer looked almost in this because of the grisly nature of the crime. I met self. The focus has completely gone to the killer Not to the victim and we see that with all these these cases as they unfold the especially something as horrific as this. It tends to shift the focus and some watching this case carefully. Because has it while it's garnered some national media coverage it hasn't gotten a lot of what I would call mainstream coverage that and I think it we'll be one of those cases that does It's very interesting Now the book you're giving away is a special kind and evil. What's a subject that well that's about? The colonial parkway murders that are series of cold cases here in Virginia they took place on the colonial parkway which stretches between colonial Williamsburg and Jamestown and Yorktown. It's a stretch of road. It's it's a very narrow national park and the killer in the nineteen eighties operated in there in that area And struck always killing a pair of victims victims And the killer struck four times And to the victims still haven't been located and my daughter Nice bent round a year and a half two years doing research for this book interviewing the victims families as well as law enforcement it to really kinda crawl into this case. It's still very active case Just last week I I had some kind of a couple of weeks ago. I had some contact with our the. FBI AGENT WHO's on the case. Who was asking me some questions of things we've come across or things we had experience dance with you know on this? So it's yeah. I think what's happened with a lot of these cold cases especially the serial murder cases the apprehension the Golden State Day Keller has revitalized interest with a cold cereal cases and I think law enforcement taking a new and more penetrating perspective on so you think cry. Crime writing helps was to spur. Interest of ever get the police to admit that. Yes I I do think it does help. Yeah I it keeps it in the public attention and I think what happens with a lot of these cases is especially as detectives retire and move on and cases get shuffled around and become frigid cold. They don't get the the attention that they should and because I don't get that level of attention would a book comes out about it. It changes the entire nature of that And it makes it a very public thing again. And they're forced to respond to that in some way shape or form and from that perspective perspective. I think Writing about the true crime cold cases really does Kinda give a shot to to law enforcement enforcement and improves them along into you'll looking at these cases responding to the past as the press when they talk about the book the inevitably reach out to the police for combat and every time they get a call it pushes them a little bit further. So I think it's a very positive thing. Yes I tend to agree with that. You're really serving the public interest there. Are you still writing any of the other through types of books absolutely. I got so many interests. I'm doing a lot with battle tech which is a science fiction series right now and I've got a number of novels and novellas. I have to do in the next year or so that have to get done and I'm I'm actively working those com this afternoon. So it's great fun to to do that and my daughter and I are looking at too Tra crime mm cases so what is a cold case. The other one is just a very different case in an involved a deathbed confession fashion and we always hear about the exact deathbed confessions. But there's darned few of them and this one caught my attention years ago and we got a copy of the case files and I've got a binder four and a half inches thick that I'm kinda waiting through trying to make heads or tails of you know a sixty year old cold-case but It's real interesting to read through it and a piece together whether this confession was really tangible or not The general ratio of research time to reading time on these folks is there is one. I always tell people. I would make more money if I worked per hour at McDonald's Yeah you put into the research I would say it's three or four hours research every hour. You're actually right. It sounds about right for this amid and I will say in some cases it can be significantly more and there's a lot of research goes to DADS ads. Where you you go cam- go go? Look for this information. You may spend six or seven hours looking for it not get it I live outside Washington. DC D. C.. So I've got access to library a congress. I've got access to the National Archives but you can go spend a day. They're looking for or something that might end up being two sentences at a book or nothing at all and yeah it can be frustrating. But I ah I think a lot of it is I enjoy. I think if you're going to write true crime you're going to enjoy the research as much as you enjoy the writing if you dread the research. You're you're you're never gonna get the writing done now. It's all about the research absolutely. I mean you have to be a good journalist. Basically get get the facts right you do. And it's very hard. We started podcast recently and her last book on the Freeway Fam- cases because when you write the book you present strictly the facts. You can't talk about what do you think about it. And with a podcast you can go. Okay well this is the facts. And here's what we think about. It's a little bit different. What's the name your guest we called tantamount same the same title as the buck and it? It's been a lot of fun we're about halfway through doing our episodes. That's become a writing experience on. Its own as I'm sure era where it's focused specifically on. The book can't demand that's going to be the first season okay. Hey we're going to have some fun at Victorian. I've enjoyed doing it. She make sure I deleted all the takes between us as we as we do these things but it's a lot of fun to actually read through that and make sure you keep those because they're great behind the scenes looks the blooper but yeah it's funny. You mentioned journalism journalism around this. 'cause I never thought of it much as journalism but more and more. It's come up where people are like. Oh you're an investigative journalist. I'm like we'll know I'm I'm writing a book but you really are an investigative journalist and it does change your perspective on how some other journalists the top rate and do their thing. You become much more critical. I find. Yeah is there an author or authors who you find particularly inspiring. Let's that is a great question. Obviously I enjoyed in rules work. You're Aaron really set the bar for a lot of US Truman capote did a wonderful job with in cold blood and you know. There's a mechanic there that he employed that I. I'd love to be able to capture at some point where you don't really tell what the crime is and what head down until the end of the book you know he beat at you through the whole book on that and I think that was fascinating I for me. Some of my earlier works that I enjoy whereas I read the Michigan murders and helter skelter. And it's you you. After all these years I still flip through helter skelter and it's really hard to top Vince. Breglio sees work. You know in terms of the the Christmas of detail and taking a very complex story with tons of characters all very diverse capturing capturing all the elements and making it readable was I to me. That's just an excellent book to read period if you write on fiction. Because that's ah how he did that. And how he organized it and made it palatable not just for the reader but for a jury is incredible. It's amazing it's amazing. The writers out there writing about this stuff and making it almost like fiction. Even though it's real are definitely definitely truth release strangers in section and sometimes way more interesting. Well if I told you I was writing I was looking into doing a fiction. The book about a young gay man who went on a grinder date and was kidnapped stirring up and cannibalize. I don't think publishers would even go. No I don't want to read a book about that if it's fiction if you turn around and say by the way all of that is true yes Bingo. They're all over and it's it's interesting how that works There's definitely a psychology they're estimating. Where can people find you in your online? I always tell people go to your local bookstore. You can order all of our books. Yeah Locally God. The local bookstores are getting harder to find though Amazon.com carries everything that I do. I have a blog log on wordpress Blaine pardoe at wordpress DOT wordpress dot com. You welcome to foul me there because I post up stuff all the time And I to me. That's a great place to do it and obviously our podcast tantamount is out there and I recommend it's it's worth listening to if you don't want to buy the book it's the short version although it's going to be like eleven or twelve episodes. I don't think that's short but we're not reading from from the book. Were telling you stuff that in some cases wasn't in the puck and it's kind of fun to hear some of that. There's a lot of places to find me well that that sounds fantastic. You're a true crime. cast their on lots of information. People picked up there. So is there anything else that you'd like to add just to know know I've enjoyed this. I really appreciate the offer to come on and talk. I think it's true. Crime has finally hit. Its stride it. Yeah I can remember even five years ago when you told somebody but he wrote true crime they kinda looked at you a little bit. Strange y'all and they were like what's that what is it. I'm not it sure I've heard of it. Now when I go to a social event they say what kind of books you're right and I say science fiction they don't care you I tell them while I right you crime. Oh true crime I watch. Id Discovery I watch Netflix. I've seen all this stuff. You get pulled into conversations that are fantastic and it's it's good that it's become a little bit mainstream. It's good that people are comfortable talking about this. It was always a dirty little obsession. I think people had and they didn't didn't tell people that they enjoyed it now. It's become socially acceptable and I think that's great. I think it's good for our genre and I think it's good for for readers. It's definitely good for writers that I've got publishers. Who are like we? Don't you tell us what you're working got. We'll pick that up and so it makes it so we get to be a little more selective and have to be more selective in what we look at. Well that's fantastic antastic. That's a good position to be in a lot of fun and slowly. Well I wanNA thank you again for being here today plane. It was a pleasure talking to you. Oh it's great talking to you too. It's always good talking to somebody who's in the business. Thank you thank you so much and I would like to remind everyone everyone at the crime cafe nine book set and Short Story. Anthology are available for sale from all major online retailers. You can find the link founded websites. It'd be mad dot com. You can also get a free copy of each votes when you support podcast on Patriot along with other. I like early access to the podcast in advance. Looks at mytalk fiction. But I'm working on now so please leave for you for the podcast cast on I tunes listened to it and thanks for joining us. I'll see you in two weeks when our guests will be bill on the meantime I'm happy reading

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The Good News Podcast

04:20 min | 2 years ago

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"Welcome to the good news podcasts. I'm calling. I'm neil. We're here to share with the all the joy, we can find good news and delightful moments beaming rate here years from the cards against humanity studio in Chicago. Let us share with you some bad news that isn't going to happen today. David Blaine did it perform any street Matic? Sick burn. And your fridge makes ice. You don't have to get it from a guy with a truck. Hey meal. Do hear that music. I do it's lovely is Napoli's folk music as in that's music from Naples Italy. And another fun fact about Naples recently. The art of pizza making enables has been recognized and added to the list of intangible cultural heritage of humanity. Okay. Okay. I know you're thinking intangible cultural heritage of humanity. Sounds made up. It sounds fake. It sounds bogus. Well, it's not the United Nations established its list of intangible cultural heritage in an effort to better protect intangible, cultural heritage is worldwide and the awareness of their significance. The list started in two thousand eight and grows every year. Do you want to hear some other things that are on that list calling? I would love to really really, okay. And this is UNESCO. Right. I love looking at the list of preserved places on the UNESCO list. Can you imagine if you had the time and money and energy to travel to all of those places? I was looking at this list. I was like gotta get to that. Do that. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Tell me about some other things that are on the intangibles list. Right. So there's a parade of giants and dragons that happens in Belgium, and in France every year, so they make, you know, giant paper machine dragons and giants which are sort of part of their folklore, and they do a parade technically called a procession. I called it a parade. Does that seem to meaning? Are more Arabic coffee the making of yes, cool, shrimp fishing on horseback? Which is also practiced in Belgium, shrimp fishing on horse. I looked it up. There's pictures it's insane Chinese calligraphy, fair, beautiful yoga and India all that makes sense. And then there's stuff like Indonesian way puppet theatre, which is like a specific kind of theater in Indonesia is it like shadow. Did you see pictures of it? Oh, man. Yeah. This list is sort of recognizing these things and saying the their they have culture importance, and we want to sort of put a stamp on it. Yeah. Put a stamp on it and help to preserve it. I imagine there's a separate list of things that are that they're fearful of like dying. So there's paying they're paying special tension to the items on that list, hopefully people from Naples. Will continue making pizza for effort. Yes. Great. I've eaten pizza enables. It's awesome. Thanks for listening. Do you have good news? Great. Or maybe you wanna tell us a joke or an idea. Also, great emails at good news at cards against humanity dot com. Or leave us a voicemail at seven seven three two one seven zero one five six you can also tweet us at the good news pod. Most of our music is by putting there same place. Same time tomorrow.

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Episode 592 - Nancy Pelosi REALLY Needed A Blow-Out!

Ross Patterson Revolution!

1:19:48 hr | 3 months ago

Episode 592 - Nancy Pelosi REALLY Needed A Blow-Out!

"It. Side. Gentlemen who come to the rocks. By GO SPENT DOT COM. Wide. Blaine Blaine Blaine Blaine. Oh, the Wonderman love magicians don't you high a David Blaine Fan. Yes. You Fan I'm if you're just switching over to this show from David Blaine, blane's ascension, which was a youtube orig-. Strange time to do it though. why it's noon here central. no I'm sorry East Coast Eleven am here central. So that's like ten for the L. A.. They're not even close to being up there. Are you kidding me? They were very protests and so hard last night they're not even close to being awake for David Blaine. In his attempts to recreate the movie up. You know I don't know why anymore I don't know what those production meetings are like I. Don't know what you go in and say aright. So we need more money for all of my bullshit. What do we do? Now, always give up. They'll always give it to blame. Are you are you a fan of David blame? Oh. Okay. Magicians in general, right And he is exactly that okay. Everything ends with him living and that's not a true magician to me, right Dini or nothing otherwise it's fake die to me I is it was strange that that was the first thing that I said. When I walked in today I was like man. I want see it. Only. For his legend, right because here's what happens. You're right as a magician or anything else in the slave famous. You Die doing whatever the thing is that you're you're known for your hero forever and it's just like Man David Blaney. Dude David Blaine. He'd be like Houdini thinking t died somebody punched him in the stomach during some you know. Stunt. Guy, oh no, that's true. Now is it magician or? Yeah that's magician right eroticism I. I. Don't know what you want to call it I. Don't know how to define it Sharon? What I will say is this artist every single thing he's done. I've gotten all wrapped up in his bullshits and I've enjoyed it. However, I've wanted to see him die every single time Do you remember the one where he was up in that block of ice? And he had to get you to leave PPM poo. Poo. He had to leave he didn't make his he was filled with. Pets ensure he was freezing cold and it was frozen in a block of ice pissing and shitting himself. Yeah. Now, this one he attached himself to I don't know fucking forty balloons or something like that. That's a rough estimate could be a lot higher could be a lot lower I don't know. I just go up and I was looking at his camera. Balloons either way. Yeah. Our producer Giorgio said that he actually had to get a hot air balloon license for the stunts which is a fun thing. Just being in a basket. With a bunch of fire above you and one sheet. I've never understood a hot air balloonist before never will no desire desired hop in somebody's wicker basket and just fly off into yeah. The world's with a bottle of rose ED I don't understand it good for him. YouTube orig- dude we're like we're all in on Blonde West we're all in on David Blaine. Let's go over there. Let's go where there'd be. Aby. He gets up there up style and then. Just parachutes off the thing to his credit. He made it twenty, five thousand feet in the air, which is pretty gnarly and obviously you've gotta learn skydiving. And all that stuff not easy. Easy. But if we're going through up style would have really liked to seen is An popping those balloons one by one until he came down, that's what I was saying. Is that I will accept like the everything he does there's just an element of like, oh no what I mean there's a harness. Like I'm only naming I'm okay with his shit the one that I'm not I refuse to buy into that. Will lend a family. Yeah. They can all get fucked I don't I don't. I don't prescribe to your bullshit of like we're going to be hooked up to wires, but we're going to be tight roping across the Grand Canyon whatever on a harness yes. You're on a harness you're hooked up to wires. Doesn't matter it. I just don't fall for that bullshit like either it's really a stunt. That is like evil knievel style where like you can die or break a million bones or whatever it is. But when you're playing and you just like come out unscathed always. Yeah. I'm fine with what I would like to see him die though I'm sure because would that would cement. He's really do respect. But that would cement his legend in Mega Meshu Magician. Now back in the day. Blaine and I think. Georgia. Was Wanting told me beforehand that? He was on Rogan the other day and. Ice Pick through his hand. I didn't see that yet. That been. Back, in the day, he was doing a long time ago and back in the late nineties when. fucking fame and celebrity was at its height rates with no camera phones. You're Kinda right around two, thousand, five, six when the party starts he was running with the Pussy posse. You remember them who was blamed Yep. So it was to Capri DiCaprio, tobey Maguire Lukas Haas. And some other dude, I forget an David Blaine right and they used to just crush pussy in new. York is absolutely them or just Leonardo DiCaprio all of them. Because of Leonardo DiCaprio Okay Yeah 'cause you you say the Pussy posse the Pussy posse hard to say. Hard to say. When you say that you leadoff strong with a Decapa Rio? Yeah. Well, he's The front sort of. Blame. Everybody. So out at the time he was doing those. liftoffs as I like to call them on the streets. Whereas feet would come off the ground. levitating. A little liftoff. Do like a little three inch lift off the ground and people would go fuck and that was. When he was known for was that? The ice pick thing through the hand and then the card tricks obviously the endless car tricks and hypnotizing. hypnotized was the big one because that's what got him thrown out of the Pussy Pasi. Uh allegedly. Again I'm going say allegedly on this because I can't confirm it. Dicaprio and those guys got pissed because he was like all of the hottest like supermodels and he was convinced that he was hypnotize ing these girls and that they weren't getting the adequate pussy that Blaine was, and they had to throw him out of the mix They claim that one night somebody did on the inside was just like one night dude he freaked out entire fucking party did some trick or thing or whatever and. Some girl fell over on a coffee table and they were like you're out up to this. But. The real story is He was you're powering their pussies. Yes you're hypnotized. We're we're starting strong. So now that leads me to my next question could. Do. You don't WanNa do the reenactment of the guys sitting down. Blaine. Money. Because what you're saying? and. We love you, Bro. We do do you know what I mean? You're you're like we're homeys, right? Yeah. It's just the hitmen -tising of the girls dude. He's like what? Could I be hypnotized? Yeah. I don't think so good. I D say probably upstairs I think you would. Feel Yeah, yeah, would you into coal? You'd be hypnotized easily. I'd like to take you to one of those things in see it's the relaxing part that I can't do so like those flotation things that you do massage meditation Yoga anything where I have to be with my own. Be with myself in my own thoughts and be like relax for a period of time longer than three minutes I lose it. So I will just be I would think but I guess there's probably other people like that that. Can Be hypnotized but. I I don't know. I. Think you. Would be. I've done it before I've gone to hypnotise before and. A minus too powerful that could not hypnotize me right and it was one of those things where. It wasn't like a jokey hypnotist magician type thing it was more of like A. Like a therapeutic type of thing, and a friend of mine was like, Hey, you gotta go just to see if you can be hypnotized and. The thing is is like my mind is too busy only time. I've ever checked out on something like that where you're deep breathing and and everything else. was in one of those float tanks. To float the one in Wilmington. Man. I I went like five times like three out of five times like I was out and I was like Oh shit. And, the only thing that I remember was coming to after that and it was I could understand how you would do it. It's just that there's somebody in my face. Know trying to talk me through it all that shit I'm Kinda like. It's GONNA walk from Yeah I've definitely been done the hypnotize ing therapy stuff. For things and you won't really know the actual effect of it. I get out in different ways in your life like you don't like. I'M A. But a forget. So Yeah, I've definitely tried it and you start like doing the. Chicken leaving. We're helping with smoking but anyways. My butthole. So no I think true hypnotized saying is in that way right? You're willing to do it. There's someone on here. There was like there has to be a willingness like you have to go and be like I. Really Want to change this thing like I really want to be hypnotized until like changing habits in my life whether it's or smoking or whatever. So you really have to want to, and then you're gonNA be like I didn't fall asleep I didn't feel like I was how You know by the way if you're watching on youtube hammer the like button, it'll help us beat the algorithm right now and On up the charts so. Hammered right now do. With this, if we had a hypnotist come in on the show. Would you agree to do it live on air and sea? Whatever happens happens. Live on Youtube me and another person though I won't let you guys just fucking. hypnotize me okay. No, it's not me but yeah, I don't think I can be is the problem so I'm down with it but I think you would go under like real quick. Sure The snap and the head go. Yeah. I just. Gone. where? Where am I? In the Atlantic, ocean on a Hawaiian Punch raft. That's where we went. That's where we went kids. I would love to do that. Live on air and see what happens to you I think it would be absolute magic and. I think for sure you'd be out. Like I said I've tried it and I can't get me down. I'm a slave to premium content. I'll do. Oh speaking of sleep the premium content somebody took it a little too far in the fantasy draft last night's. Somebody was like a Hanane. If we win this fantasy football league and drink bros last night for for drinking Bro sports they go. All I wanNA make a side that with you and I was like, okay. What does that I'll bet you whatever fucking money you want you. You won't be in fantasy football and he goes I want access to Jesse's fans and I was like. Too Far Bro to get a little too far last night's. No you can't have that I'll go on a date with you though. Yukking With that out there. Just force you to you know what I mean. What to win. To Win, yeah not that you need any more motivation for that will definitely win but sure yeah look people are aware of how you are like I get that all the fucking time now. For me to die, they are trying to fuck dude, there's no. Game waiting for me to die so they can blast your DM's where it's just like I. Remember that one guy I'll. I instagram come on she's no social media. So. You could fire away. But Yeah I get a lot of those messages to of like man when you die. What one guy were you talking about? There was a guy. Hammered at one of these live events and up. Oh Yeah. WAS LIKE A. Dis cool man cool. Yay joking around for the first. Four or five times, and then after that, I was like, hey, bro, that's like seven time. You've said that we're taking this too far now right and as per last show I, welcome in because I know that it's going to end right and you should welcome it as well. One of these days nobody's going to be asking about your fucking wife do you know what? I'm saying look dude you're spears smoke show. Now I've always said I. Welcome any kind of cat calling inappropriate DM. Harmless. Victimless crime makes me feel good I know it's GonNa end very quickly. Do you know what I mean? So yet any anything like that I? Don't understand girls getting pissed off about it I. Really don't Yeah me neither the eighteen girl that episode blew up I was not I was unaware of how many people really WanNa fuck that girl crazy by the way I'm looking at my phone right now when he was shot out to a friend of Mine Hannah. At the White House. My parents are. See Trump today. It's a meet trump today. So that's awesome. Yeah. It's Pretty Rad. He's in Wilmington North Carolina ironically and we're not there Craig Calls Dibs Craig. I. You had b. m. going to say you had dibs already. Donating. Craig is just might just. I Love Craig and Craig you know that Richard Where are you married? Exactly. resigned. Man He's going to divorce Amien Ross is probably. Probably not true. So funny. No not true. Shut up the Hanan trump is in. Wilmington. We're not there and ironically because they were like. A bunch of people hit me up and they're like, Hey, man is he going to do rallies and I didn't think so to be honest with you, I didn't think either candidate was and. What happened is it was a hard pivot in this election maybe. Four days ago days ago with the violence and everything in the polls or dropping Biden was leading, and now he's losing in not not a big shock to me but the mask thing has been another part of this where. People saw trump speak. At his convention she had a thousand people in the front lawn, the rose. Garden to do the speech. No one's wearing a mask. Weren't they space to lay a little bit? They're they're doing it's like one or the other doing it in sixes and. I'll get to that in a second because that's going to lead into something else that you and I are going to do here in a couple of weeks but some with that, I think after. This success of that speech and how it went over Biden's team which just like, Hey, man we gotta go out and start rallying doing rallies again and all that shit. So Biden was actually the first one who announced the rallies trump was like, hey, man I'm down rally like no one rallies better than me and oddly enough. Two days later he's in Wilmington and I'm like motherfucker we're not there We always enjoy going into those things and everybody's friendly. It's great. My parents are there so. There's some pictures as we speak. Shots always to send her a gift a gift package. Yeah. Give package here. She's engaged US and The only request she was like hey. I love some. We're big fans. Absolutely I'll send you a package this afternoon some uniform super stokes and. SHOT UP TO BLACK RIFLE COFFEE But. As long as the peeps can hear it Huh. Show. Sure. Looking at the. We. Well. PODCAST. Said is Mike is out. Out. there. Hello Hello how're is? Boom boom. It was knowing kicked it out. got a little excited. It's bias feet. He's always going to kick it out. Okay. I'm a gigantic human beings moves around like. I'm I don't understand I'm six three and a half to two thousand, five gigantic human being should not have any of this stuff around the cable West. But he's he's fixing it. Yeah. I'm really sorry just just just apologies from. Fans did you put the tip of your penis on only fans now? The tip is there waiting for at least twenty subscribers to go the before Roman pick and how many how many subscribers you have. Now we got eight, eight, eight good was just Giorgio. Not Not a female. I, didn't. Females. Nine. Yeah. So Papa trump is there. To go back to that Rose Garden thing I was talking about the socially distance people or whatever you're calling it now. Yeah well, they weren't wearing masks so. College football is is going to be back. Yesterday I closed out the show damn near and tears that trump had reached out to the president of the big ten trying to get the big ten back in playing again, right. That was a lot. It wasn't. It was exactly. Some say it wasn't. It wasn't. Wasn't enough. That's true. Smoke clinger says he's like a majestic Pale Godzilla. Still Look Bright Way. It's gotta be. It's gotTa be me at this point right I just not Tan. Here's the deal when people work. Really hard. into the night and all day inside. And you don't have a natural olive complexion myself Italian and Greek. Newly Italian and Greek used to be Mexican. Both have an olive complexion. It's just you're just joining me like I'll get out in the sun or something we can is the I'm not doing last rewrites on the book too. So I'm writing about four am. I don't see the sunshine at all, and then I do like eighteen shows or Gio did have some sort of background like myself he would be the same way. Inside editing all of this like. I'm going to try to hit the sun this weekend. Rate Caucasians, right. So it's rough but. All hit this weekend as well. So with the socially distance thing. We got a memo from college football, the teams that are starting. Tickets go on sale and. University of Texas who I'm wearing the hat because that's my adopted team until state comes back. They said Hey. We're going to have fans in the stands on September twelfth. So it's ten days from now and we're looking to do a live show that day for college football opening and have the jails there. So I'm going to reach out to Austin talent if we get some set up downtown the. Whiskey. Tango Fox Trot, and then go to the game it would be read but. Because of that, when I was looking at the tickets on our site, drink tickets, dot com, and all this stuff. It was weird to see. Them in two. Four six. And that was it, and if so you had to buy them all. And I was like while yeah because people can't sit. Yeah. You can't next to strangers you have to know where people have been so. Super Odd but I'm down and look I'm a college football junkie it'll be awesome but. It'd be great to get out in the sunshine on a Saturday. have. A live show at the bar and. have. Have some some I think your friend is in town. Brooke. Brooke. Weekend Brooke. So She's in the boards I. Guess Well, you want to go to a football game. Broke I. Mean I know the answer to that? Yes so that I'll have someone to kind of hang out with while you guys are Beena Voice. Your boy party wool I'm going to look into this afternoon. We'll have an answer for you guys on the show tomorrow and then everybody who's in the Austin area. We will ton of listeners here. Let's all have an answer, a firm answer tomorrow all the way around from that, and if so you can come out and we'll try to do a live show meet Papa Giorgio. That way you can see him with clothes on into China determine how big is kids, and then if you want to pay for it. Only. Fans on just Giorgio. We're GONNA get a lot dollars. Being more subscribe. And then you can come out and meet us. Ross can finally get some sunshine in this world and maybe not look so Pale on camera and we'll give it up. We'll give it a Ghozi's but it was exciting last night where it was like Oh man. The game time and I was like it's real it's really happening and Claim Crawford had called me on the way over here and Alabama starting to knows he's die hard Alabama Fan. And he goes. Do you think trump's gonna be able to pull this off with the big ten and I was like if he does he wins by eighty and the next election right? So we'll see. But either way we're we're hoping to do that in in ten days but will have an answer for you tomorrow and you come out. And see us. Lot of crazy crazy shit going on. A legend has passed shapes. Eric Murillo. All Right All right PITA DJ Eric Murillo. Now. If you're a long-time listener, the show a day one homey you'll know that James is sung this song maybe five or six times on this show. Because it was my pig. From pre song and we like I like to move it, move it. Move It. I like to move it move. To. Say, they would say, Moulana. He's dead. So. You died want to give them minority right it's not funny. It's funny how you delivered how you delivered the news to me not our house. laughed. Is Such a fun time and He is dead his song, move it move it was in Madagascar. Why all the kids probably all your kids love it and you're like Dang, this old school but like they know it. They. All know. Hit the like button on Youtube for Eric Murillo Found bow now being Ernie. and. So natural causes on that one share not no d like pictured. Well actually, we don't know natural causes could have been like, oh man he was naturally partying and then just dive off. Partying naturally what you want to pick the city that he died and you want to guess. Come on a Dj a techno deejay where do you think he died Palm Springs A VISA Miami Miami. Next month. Yeah. Going to be my next spring. Waiting for Coachella, just lots of deejays out there real really. Hot Spot. Hot spot they go to Coachella and they just never leave. Do you know what I mean? 'cause they're homeless. So They go to Coachella. Don't have a ride home, and so they all now live in. Palm Springs Yeah. Dj Hotspot Dude. If you're out there and you're looking to meet your favorite DJ book a one way Palm Springs and let me know how it is speaking of homeless Jesse. Nancy Pelosi step over quite a few. Over, the weekend this video has now gone viral. Man I fucking hate these people do so much I just the hypocrisy of all of these assholes I can't stand it. Did the state of California's completely still shutdown. It's a fucking hell hole out there San Francisco. Is, worse than La but La's right behind L. China. It's damndest to catch up I have a new story about California experience when you're done with this. Great. So. With with with that Nancy Pelosi lives in San Francisco. I'll tell I'll even take it further back. I bet she does, and so I had a bet I had a bets on the Super Bowl last year with a San Francisco Forty niners fan because I picked the chiefs the beginning of the year and went all in on them. Right and they were by like ten points with seven and a half minutes left the bet was this. If, the forty niners won the super bowl I had to wear a forty niners helmets and take a shit in front of Nancy Pelosi's house in the streets of San. Francisco because they just legalized. pissing and shitting in the streets there you remember that Yes yes. So it was that week and I said look I was so positive the forty niners GonNa win I was like. I'll do whatever and he was like I'll come come to San. Francisco. Is like not even what will I come to San Francisco I'll wear a forty niners wouldn't take shit in front of Nancy Pelosi's house because the guy had sent me a picture of where she lives they know where she lives and I was like, Oh, I could easily shit on that sidewalk that'd be fine. That being said. NANCE. One a by the rules and she wanted to go get her hair done just like the rest. Of California just like every fucking American wants to get their goddamn hair done. noon, we can't do it. You gotTA. Wear. Masks. Salon Open still in California in California. Yeah. If you want to get your hair done, do it outside? Why didn't you do in DC like what the fuck who fucking nose so I don't even know if the DC's open though to be honest it. Yeah. Yeah. So to be really where else So. What happened was she books outs salone on a Sunday privately. Thing anybody's going to see her and the salon owner. Found out about it I. Guess she booked out. Whoever her person is, and that's how that works salon owner found out about it and he goes fuck her camera footage from inside of their close down my shop fucking come in to get your old. Old. Yeah exactly there's no way that's her real hair carry on. No. And she's ninety. The Guy had said look man you have destroyed all of our businesses you've destroyed every salon and barbershop in the state of California, and now you have the audacity to come in in San Francisco nonetheless because we're all out of fucking business. Bro. Because of what you've done, but your hair is more important than everybody else's and it exploded and so her office released a statement saying, Oh, I'm sorry I didn't know I did anything wrong I thought it was open now. To do this and it was like Fucker, you know the the rules and regulations on every single thing. All you do is get on TV every single day Nancy and say what you're the biggest little fuck tattletale on the planet. You know everything that's going on. You did this wrong that is wrong legal. Tell me. You didn't know the fucking rules in your own Goddamn city. You're a liar you're fucking liar and you've crushed these businesses absolutely fucking nuke them. But when it comes to you getting your hair done. You're fine with it because what she was doing was to go on TV and rail against trump in the fucking mask right and I've always said about her hair like if she had her real hair, you guys would be like Holy Shit. That's. Eighty but the like the highlights I mean the texture her hair is the only thing keeping her in office. And the high heels that she fucking crams her old asked feed into like two blocks of wood. Hobbles and cause that shit hurts dude and at her age. Everything. He's propping herself up in a way that you go. Okay because she's way older than. Biden. Is this correct? She's three years older than Biden Daniel much lower just keep two dollars. Giorgio and He wants to know if For Nats Is that too old for you eighty. Would you fuck Nancy Pelosi and? On what went from a young college man mill fantasy is now asking me if I would have sex with an eight year old. Yeah. That's okay. I have my limits skulk Gosh. So he cuts it off at about sixty five. Right yeah. Sixty five is a sixty five with a boat with a boat cools forty five without about right. So, yes she. In her defense she had to get her hair done earl, she be kicked out of office but. Did she. She was going on live TV to bitch about mask and all that other shit. If if she even let's now by the way, she has to get her hair done. Every week to two weeks. To sealy yea. Because, of the grace so if you see an Old Grandma. Okay there's no there's no chance in hell that she has that color hair right now. Obviously, she's eighty she's eighty. So if she is never once not even once on TV on the floor, anything had even the tiniest centimeter of gray coming up. So by the way, she needs to have done her hair each every two weeks, and she either has someone come just do the Ruta. At home and and this time had to get those highlights put in there. But if it's a wig the. You don't have to do anything not a wig but not it's a real hair. Yeah. She has to do so much between like Brazilian blowout treatments for her hair because. Old Lady? Hair. By the way that turns into like so you blake. Kripke, right. Like race. So anyone that has gray hair knows that the texture of it is different. It just hits different. But I love it personally but if you're Pelos you can't. You can't show even a centimeter well because. She's look upkeep and I fucking hate her with every fiber of my being, but I will defend her in this like. A in Washington you're trying to hold on As a woman to like every at eighty, it's a miracle. She's still alive one two it's a miracle. She's in speaker the fucking house. That's that's crazy. It's a crazy job. And to do it at eighty and did not show weakness like the dentures and the whole fucking you know graze and all that stuff like a lot of upkeep on that core. You know a lot of up key she brought she bought a sixty eight Volkswagen beetle and There's a lot of upkeep on that thing so. It is what it is. I mean you can attest to what those people are going through out there. With the especially the salon owners and Shit like how do they? How do you stay in business I'm assuming you still have to pay rent, right? Yes. So the salon owners may be able to eke out because they would get. Hopefully some kind of business loan or small business owners. You don't have to pay rent like you can kind of Ekit out but the the. The people that work in the Salon are independent contractors, right. So they pay rent on their station in the salon so if they're not able to do that, they're essentially. GotTa work. So the owners of the salon fine, they'll just get a new batch of. fucking cosmetologist I guess hairstylist but. No I understand in. You know we get some people commenting here like Ryan. Pink says I love the show I feel like I'm the only person left in this country sometimes until they come here and like look man, I feel the same like I. I'm shocked by when I saw that video it was like you gotta be fucking kidding me there's a camera everywhere. We talked about this on the. Show all the time I've always wanted to murder somebody but I can't. Because there's fucking cameras everywhere Oh and I mean everywhere like on the streets like everywhere Avery T. Yeah. Go ahead and read that he's asking. Would it be possible? Just swing by the new studio and have sign my girlfriend's a leathery own. We all know that he's the real star of the show I yes, it is so. Dave here's the thing we will sign. Ruben cross the board, right. I've signed. I've signed a person's penis chair at a live show before. I have not signed pussy on. But. We're not opposed to as long as we're in the same room, right? Jesse, if it's a leathery poon because they're gonNA ask for both of our signatures on it, you take one take the other. Gosh you know into your fucking bullshit. Let you sign a Ding Dong. Hold it. So don't ask my wife's a hold. It just don't ask you to hold it like you've got to stretch it out yourself and she'll sign it and all sign off on that, right? Yes. NIMS damp. I have a stamp signature because it's a rubber stamp the fun. Might. Do. I have it in my pocket just on the off chance somebody asked me for. And I would love to just be like, sure. Do you have a pen own? Never Mind Kuku? Not Prepared really I'm sorry there was a dude who came up to us. You're with me for that live show think who was missing a bowl Yes, a tea bag tattooed on his. Great Great Cup when we were together yet. Either held nut sack took a picture with it in my face but. Yeah we're down a leather poon is fine and Georgia will be down and again she's got a boat under the age of sixty five probably fuckers well. We're in. So little careful. Now, let me just tell really quick California story so we were out there. Visiting because that's where I'm from Tari. Sorry everyone come for me venture then Tara little bit different than Los Angeles but. I was as you guys may remember if you are diehards. Very, sick deathly ill couldn't do a show for the first time ever couldn't do a show. For Ross. Power Revolution, which is insane. Instead I'll be here whatever. Episode Five Ninety something never missed one so. deathly ill, just not feeling well had to go to an urgent care in Ventura. Now. If you have like I said before if you have any symptoms that are are like Cova, like no one will see you correct doctors won't see you urgent cares won't even see you. Therefore. You have to go to the hospitals and over on the hospitals for your fucking bullshit anyway. So I went to urgent cared, they wouldn't really see me because I had some symptoms the doctor came out to the sidewalk you guys. There was like a little curtain set up on the sidewalk of this urgent care with one chair. The doctor comes out how are you feeling I kind of explain he's like sounds like the stomach flu. Thanks for playing. Doesn't doesn't even come close to me doesn't have any other questions just kind of asked about my symptoms sounds like the stomach flu you should be finding a week that is the whole interaction. Okay. By aright see a- I almost was like do. I. What do I do you mean? Through with my hands and my wallet. What do you? What would you? What monetary value would you put on that like just knowing the system going to the doctor yourself like how much would you say a sat word? That's small interaction no tests didn't touch. Me didn't even put a what do you call it? Not a doctor up to the heart you know what I mean. Skopia sure. None of that. Literally just stood there talk to me for one second. I went on my way would say one, hundred, twenty, bucks, twenty, four that now we have health insurance so it should be five dollars, five dollars. I would say thirty five Max if I'm like out state whatever. So I got the bill for that interaction in from California. Eleven hundred dollars your. Eleven hundred dollars for a old ass piece of Shit motherfucker to come out to the sidewalk. And tell me I, had probably the stomach flu probably don't know 'cause I'm not going to touch you. And I told you to call I said, look call these mother fuckers right now I did and rage against the machine I did now. With people in the state of California. What did they say? The ASS big five. So this guy I, I could tell that he had just like dealt with this situation because if people are being charged this much I'm sure they're calling right I don't know who you are that you're just like. Seems Fair, do you know what I mean? Okay. So He's getting all these calls this guy that I called and he was like. Okay and I was like. So I'd explain the situation that the guy came out whatever he goes. I heard everything you said and I was like, oh Okay. We're fighting now. Okay, now we're fighting and so it was like Yes. You heard everything I said, does that seem fair to you? Well it's not really up to me whether it's fair or not blah blah. Blah like are you going to pay it? If you're not you need to send in dispute letter and I was like look I want to pay. I didn't think that you didn't WANNA pay. This is how we're talking to each other and I'm like who the fuck? Who Am I calling? Yeah. Wasn't recorded or anything like it wasn't like this will be recorded for quality whatever. So Mike I'm calling somebody's cell phone I don't know what's happening sure and. We kind of the more we talked and I was like man, this is crazy right like some. kind of like trying to get a real reaction from someone when I told him what happened and told them how much it was, and finally he was like dude, it's crazy. He's like, I, haven't worked anywhere else besides, California but this is happening to everyone out here I am fielding these calls like He goes five hundred to six hundred a day. So it's like he finally was like listen. Write a letter tell them what you WANNA pay don't probably take it. It's one of those things where the state itself is what the state the state of California is in shambles. And I really can't emphasize it enough, and this is what is happening everywhere right. So even this guy that works at this healthcare facility. We now were pros at this point and he's just like I would say like, what do you want to pay like? I mean if I'm going to inflate at. California wise. To fifty three, hundred, he's like, yeah they'll probably take it just say you're GonNa pay that I'm like. Dude what? What's happening right now he's like this is insane. It's happening all over the place. It's the state of our he kinda was getting a little political and stuff and he was just like, Hey, man I hear you do whatever or don't. He's like they're actually not gonNA come after you either I'm like. Okay. They're not and he literally just told me you don't actually have to pay but if you feel bad pay a little bit. What so anyways, it's a shit show over there and. Shit show everywhere. So the last time I left right before I left I, had to go to a doctor. There in Los Angeles and there was a guy that I was seeing for years and years and years like at a great doctor there, and he finally said look man. It is getting too expensive for me to exist anymore. So if you want to see me, you have to pay a yearly fee like I was a a gym membership and it was twelve hundred dollars. Just to see him for the year to continue and I'm like him and I called him because I was. Like I was home he'd. He'd done some of my physicals for movies and all that Shit like he knows you knows me and what I did right and I go what? The fuck what's what's the story and he goes look man I'm going to be out of business and I was like, why do you still live here? And he goes I don't know and I don't know where else to go with this points and I'm licensed here and Blah Blah Blah Blah and I'm just like Jesus Christ and I was like, no offence I come in maybe once a year maybe. Because, I don't get sick very often and I was like. You know. Now, we pay insurance for the yearly fee. I mean, I'm not I'm not really sure. I go and this is a doctor that I had for. Fourteen years that point and I was like I'm sorry man I'm not going to do that like that's fucking crazy. I, was like I'm already paying insurance. You know what I'm saying like this is what is four and he was like him and. I go. I. Had to go another doctor. After that. So into this other doctor and same thing I went in, it was like a normal checkup for whatever whatever the fuck it was. Some movie or something. Going for this normal checkup and I get it I, get a call and I get a bill for four hundred and fifty dollars and I have insurance. and. Cycled called back and I was like, Hey, I have insurance I gave it to you whatever she was like well, they weren't answering. They didn't give me the stuff that was supposed to get like. Not. My problem. My job, not my problem. My problem. I don't work there and that's what it is and she was like I can't get a hold of everybody. How is everybody's supposed to get paid? She starts getting pissed off at me right and go look it is not my fucking problem. I gave you my insurance card I have insurance whatever they were trying to do the same bullshit and. Oddly enough. Like she had my credit card on file and so the next day when I woke up I'd gotten a charge for four hundred fifty dollars and so on there and I was like called back and I was like Hey Legally, charge my card. I didn't authorize of this and I was like, Shit. I, gave you my credit card because I did you guys ask for that in case I needed a prescription or something and Blah Blah Blah and she was like. This is what happens you need to be charged for whatever this isn't I go. It's not what happens and go since you won't do your fucking job called bank been with Bank of America for a long time ago called Bank of American go blocked his fucking charge and I was like this is fraud. This is what happens and. She got popped for it and and they went down. But that's how desperate the state of California is getting for all of this shit. The medical side of it is even worse than the rest right forget the homeless and everything else. Here's why the medical side is so bad. There is because you have so many illegals that have come in that. You can't refuse service because its own we're. Democrats and IT'S GONNA see everybody and everybody deserves healthcare and I do too. I. Don't WanNa see anybody die out there however when you're not when you can't refuse anyone and you have to treat everybody. All of those costs go somewhere where do you think they go to the rest of us? So the rest of the people who could possibly pay for this shit that's where that money has to come from because the state is bankrupt, they're not giving these doctors on the ship money. So it's like that's what we're down to at this point that was the big push for Obamacare was that everybody? PAYS and everybody gets in and everybody's able to have healthcare whatever. Well, the problem is some people like myself who we go like once a year we're like, wow, fuck that I don't need to pay for insurance therefore, I'm just not going to like. And they need a certain amount of people inside these states to be on the plan or else it won't pay for everything. So in California, this is what is happening to you. That's what happens to me, and that's when it's going to continue to keep on happening and I know the healthcare has been a hot button topic of like we need to repeal obamacare. I don't think it's that simple I don't really quick. Another caveat to the stories they told me. If I didn't have insurance, it would have been way less. Well, they could have done. Yeah. He's like it probably been like one, twenty, two, hundred if you didn't have insurance because they do a discounted pay. To play essentially. So that was kind of happening with me and North Carolina as well at the pediatrician. If I didn't have insurance, I wanted to pay right there. They did me a payoff discount that was less than. What they were billing way less what they would bill the insurance right. So in that way, would they rather have me be? Illegal with no insurance maybe they get the money directly. They get the amount. That's correct. If they charge me two hundred there I'd be like, okay, fine. It's California whatever a minute urgent care Saturday, fine so In that sense I guess I don't really understand the other part of it either I think the. Free money okay, cool. Free money you have insurance. Cool. I'm going to get way more something. They just want something because they are. They're bankrupts back. There are teetering on bankruptcy and you take the state of North Carolina which we just moved from It has gotten so bad there that because of obamacare. You're done to one carrier in the entire state. That's it. It's blue. Cross Bruce Blue Shields. Which I've I've always had the easiest time saying every single time blue. Cross. Blueshield. Exactly. That is the only option there. So if you're living in state North Carolina, you're on Obamacare that's it, and you know when you run a small business, like we do everybody has to be essentially at that point because our to pay for it out of pocket as a business if you don't have more than twenty nine employees which we don't. It's fucking crazy expensive. So therefore, we have it. It's a pain in the ASS, and it's not getting easier and for Women Holy Shit Dude. It's the worst for women in particular. It is the worst because of childcare births, all that other stuff like if you didn't have some form of insurance or whatever it is like. Jacking, all these rates all the way up as women because you go into a doctor to to have a baby and all that stuff like what is it fifty K. Sixty K. for that experience You have to have insurance for that. Yeah. I said a minimum let alone if your child has. Has, probably. Yeah Yeah. Well, it depends on where you are and what state you're in. But You know if your child has problems, forget to do those those bills are through the roof through the fucking roof it's only going to get worse something has to be done. I'm not. I'm not in the camp of cancel all obamacare yet because. You still need people insured and there's no plan in place yet I know the Republicans are talking about it but. Make sure you have something pretty goddamn solid because Obama care in my opinion was raced through just to say that I did this I did this and I got healthcare healthcare and did it right? Because they had to fight. So fucking hard over and over and over again. It was rushed through and. It's like one of those arm payments for a house where every five years the your mortgage goes up and you're like Oh seems great in the beginning where you're like I'm only paying twelve hundred mortgage year five. Paying twenty, four hundred. A little tights five years after that Oh shits. Dumping, six grand a month and It's it's very similar to that. The obamacare look our numbers you just keep going up and up and up every year something's going to happen. There's going to be a breaking point in the health industry. But we about police why be a policeman right now the the other side of that is why be a doctorate now? Do. You want to go to school for eight fucking years. Pay Off. All the student loans to sit and fight people over a couple of hundred dollars in walk out to the street to see them like. I don't I wouldn't do that. If I was a kid going to college right now, I wouldn't be fucking doctor right. Just to pay that off, what are you looking at? Hopefully if you have a successful private practice, you'd be in your mid forties. By the time you paid off your student loans and all the other fucking bullshit show. By the way, Richard Enough is asking you jails with sign Craig. leathery poon. Regime Craig's weather report. Also Craig is asking, where do we submit job applications Ruben? And read all. We are actually hiring. Guys hoping to do what is the job that you guys feel like you're most qualified we get hit up for jobs all the time and I'm like, Hey, man, we need like editors and shit like that. You can't just hang out and drink with us all day That's not a job although you are welcome to come in and watch show whenever you're here. 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Assets maybe so I'm glad you brought that up. So here's the breakdown of Tyler Perry's if you if you are out there and you're wondering how does one become a billionaire what and how do they know they broke down the numbers here and I'm GonNa read them off to you a three, hundred, twenty, million for his entire library of movies TV shows plays excetera. As he owns one hundred percent of the content, he's created. Get that Fakih own your own shit and that is a big big deal and man those that Madeup Shipman because he was like selling those on the street, the play versions of those. Like fucking masterpiece back in the day. Yeah. But he owns he owns all of that I'm surprised. I'm surprised Lionsgate didn't take this day rights to be honest with you how he was able to hold onto that congratulations holy Shit. Next up three, hundred, million in cash and investments. For Him. Two hundred eighty million for tyler, Perry Studios, which sits on three hundred, thirty acres, Georgia, I can tell you this. In Atlanta. Real, estate is going up and up and up and up, and that's GonNa be worth a fuck of a lot more. So even after all of this ship dies out. People Stop Stop caring about Tyler Perry's movies and or soap operas or whatever the fuck you want to call those. That real estate is going to be worth a billion dollars by the end of this so. smarts smart man doing that sixty million dollars for his equity stake in bt the streaming service that debuted lesser. Plus did not know that he. owned any of that makes sense you're trying to get. His audience dude back up the truck he was with. That own network for a while and I don't know if that deal still exist networks still exists. Oprah's I. Think own still exists but does okay. Next up forty million in homes in toys. Oh deal those. Toys. Boys will be boys, boys and their toys. Of that because. It's so funny. Tyler. Peres billionaire congratulations. This next one, this story was was my Fav- last night I laughed forever this. And I've thought of you because if you were on this plan, you'd be like. I get it. I understand it. A mom. Got Fed up with being on a sitting on the tarmac on a plane and She went ahead and pop the door open 'cause she was sitting by the exit row on the wing and. Just went out right on the wing. One hundred percent. Took a nice walk on the wing. Aired herself out a little bit sure. Walked back. Like not one happened, I mean what are we doing here? Commercial airliner that was what are we doing here? If you're able to see the picture of this, it is so great. That's awesome and It's amazing. She just she's just said fuck it and hiked up the. And there is an actual shot of her on the wing of the plane on the tarmac Just Sean She's whitegate which relatively attractive and. Took a purse I don't know why. But she was a Ukrainian mother of two. She's now been blacklisted from flying after she was captured on video taking a casual stroll along an airplane wing sound. From for one, I'm proud of you. She simply told police when questioned she simply told police. Too hot too hot. Too Hot. Ukrainian right so Of His. Real Quick James She was traveling with her husband kids. and. She told the KIDS MOM Super Hot I'M GONNA step outside for a second look. I've I mean, Yeah Yeah you've got kids. You've traveled to kids. We traveled with two kids I've been. Very close to doing this same thing. She's blacklisted I mean come on. But. This exact same thing or something like it like these. Weird. Rules now listen they weren't even waiting for that long. That's the issue is like if this was one of those stories where I've been before where you're. In the plane with your kids you've you're on the tarmac and we hear the over the. Loudspeaker that's like. We're waiting. We have you know eight planes ahead of us just be patient that kind of thing where you're like now you've landed in, it's going to be another hour before you can get right now. that. I get. So they landed they were they went right. To the gate and everyone was getting off. That even was too much for her name saying so like. Again, it I get it in a way. And I would absolutely do it. I don't know if I would be this patient. To where it's like just the line of people going out it's too much for me. On a flight tomorrow. I am on a flight tomorrow. Take a stroll. James. Bro If anything crazy like that. Happens like I feel like at this point because the airlines need my Biz, they probably would. Shut that real quick. Me Yeah and I'll just be I'll be. I I'll act like I don't speak English maybe but. I get this I, get her her. And one of these days I'm GonNa get to that point. Namely to your breaking point, I'm GONNA reach my breaking point probably on one of these planes probably with the other one not with Jacks but the other one is a fricken nightmare. And especially on planes. Yeah. Be. BIS. On just be based. Yeah. I can see where the baby bjorn just. You and the baby outside on the wings cooling off. Oh Dude. I will. For sure I would I've contemplated it? Sure Mexa Pakistan As blocked tinder grinder didn't know they had that over there. Didn't know Pakistan had tinder and grinder I mean, I guess everywhere has tendering grinder right I saw. So at here's why got blocked because they were like Oh we don't put up with this in our culture we don't have like A dating websites and fucking but fucking websites they don't put up with it in their culture though dude. So they just don't do like any sexual shit like that out in the open there's a reason. Everybody's all wrapped up. In burqas and all that other shit. And they just said, hey, we're not doing any dating APPs on the grounds of immoral indecent an indecent content. So. They're all done with that. They've blocked tinder tagged scouts. Do you know any of these towards you are you are you on scouts. Are Tagged Grinder your grinder guy. What about say? Hi. Okay. So those are the dating APPs apparently in Pakistan and they've all been eliminated now and it had issue the the company's advising them to remove the the dating services. because. They don't do that type of shit in their country you can fuck a goat there. But you can't go on Grindr and find a do departed with because it takes away from the fucking. Maybe, maybe and that's one hundred percent what they want. Is this if you were to have a tinder pick, right? For Women over there, can you see their faces? I think. So you sure wouldn't WanNa just be your is at the Burqa. How you swiping then just on is an eyebrows. Roof that's a tough one you know. That's a tough one you're looking at. What. Do you mean. With masks. Yeah if I saw anyone wearing look if you're on tinder and you're wearing a mask on tinder. There's no way because you know they're not doing Dick. You know what are you just GonNa touch over the you know. seal dating only Crete you the fuck out one day I kissed you with a mask on and you're like, oh, please undoing. This feels weird right Disgusting. Therefore if anybody's on tender out there and they're hoping Dick or vice versa. Some. You. Don't put a pickup with with a mask on. That's not gonNA. Do it. There's a lot of girls on Austin tender with masks in their picks. Are you kidding me? So, so are you know where we stand producer? Jewish? Is Single. So he's on the APPs the dating absolutes I now that you said that out loud. All right. So a lot of girls in Austin are wearing the mask I get. It's it's fifty fifty here fifty percent liberal fifty percent conservative. Here's what it would tell me though as like those goals are fucking liberal delay new. Out of there. You wear a mask. Why are you putting that picture up? Yeah I agree by yourself in a freaking right? That's what I'm saying can't you take a Selfie strange have you fucked anybody here? I haven't done anything but work since I've been in Austin. Work. For the people. Get you like it's Labor Day weekend this weekend get yourself a grinder tender date whatever one you decide to do I don't care if you're. Doing, something we're not no we're everybody's office we it's been a long long drive cross country all the Shit I think you move the last of the stuff into the studio today. So, I think we're all getting your your finally moving into your apartment. You're at least able to bring some ladies back somewhere and have sex on a couch. That's true and hopefully on go sped one day. Yeah. On a ghost bed do we not have a ghost bed for Georgia goes on the way? Down Okay. 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Port board member accused of donkey theft. Show. So stole a donkey. Yeah fucking. School board members. Elena. Berlanga. is to face misdemeanor theft and criminal trespassing charges. Now a you have a connection because you ran for school board be we are out in the country? So I guess this type of stuff is going to happen. So a board member of Floresville Independent School district is wanted on multiple misdemeanor charges in Wilson. County. After investigators said she and two other people stole a donkey from pasture. I. Wish I could put up this picture that is. Most. Normal looking older board member with glasses on. Really how? How did this go down? Right. So she's forty nine. Donkeys steeler forty-nine. Donkey steeler. Forty Nine So two you're too. So Berlanga and two other suspects are accused of going into a pasture in the seven thousand block of FM to five, seven, nine, I know now that that's here frigging small. Floresville. Texas Mono but all those FM roads are out here. So we'll send county Texas. Sorry. Nailed it nailed it boom two weeks here fucking roads. Seven hundred block of FM to five, seven, nine, which these kinds of names of roads are becoming a little familiar to me now. On June eighth. They. they're accused of going onto the pasture and taking a donkey they believed was delivering a foul. So delivering a duck baby door baby donkey. The past secure, my infamous. An Cola baby donkey a foul. Duck. Are you trying to say that this is that the story is that the donkey was delivering a Duck The duck was maybe taped to the donkey like I'm trying to figure out like wizard to animals involved but you're saying baby donkey's called a foul. Fact check that you need to just keep up. I'm trying I'm trying but I want the audience understands. Let's. Go, get you a knife. I don't think the audience thought for one second that the donkey was delivering a duck. Maybe went on it. It was in a pouch or something you know. How a leather mailbag. 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Dull So in my mind. Describing this. The entire time thinking man, is there another word she's trying to save sides? Foul and I was like a full full would make sense but Hope that ducks. All right. Okay whatever. There's no point. It's just the look of the woman basically the stealing donkeys. That who knows I. WanNa find out why she's trying to steal the donkey Is We go to Dakota Meyers House. For for Barbecue on a Sunday. And our kids are like we're all best friends in real life. So they are playing his kids and it's a great day I see all of our kids walking out the back door with a bag of carrots, right? With that for and they were like Oh, they're going to go feed the donkey. You a donkey. Yeah. There's a donkey, the donkey to know I was. So Jackson was holding his carrot the other one was screaming and eating his own carrot and didn't want to go with Dakota and so no, I don't get to do anything. So, no I didn't. But yeah, they did. It was fine. You know it was the neighbors donkey like you have. Sort of like the goat thing right? Like if you need grass to be. Eaten. Share Donkey, Dude. I'd get one for the house a miniature donkey be great. I. Don't think we're allowed to him in the neighborhood. We can't have anything not even chickens with like a huge disappointment to me because I do love foul how you done of any kind. I do big fell fan. which we learned today yet learned a lots of. Show of course always have. Go to I'd soon's rate the show of five star and leave us a quick review in really really helps US on up the charts and if you're out there. When you got a miniature donkey that. You need to to steal think about it after James's story because you know they're going to catch you don't tall donkey fell. Nine hundred eleven death stroke. Donkey factor. Is All. He wrote and I think it needs. It is my metal band that I'm starting with Georgio on his days off because he has no days off. We now are going to rehearse donkey foul. Easy on the. Whole Star. steeled called- phone yeah. Donkey. Went went went and. British from Bakersfield. Well, the Brits from Bakersfield. How Dark you foul. Gregor's was asking when spotify happening I don't see if they put Rogan's episodes as let's face it if they're if they're pulling forty-three episodes that was the final count by the way of Rogan, they're pulling forty three episodes from. Don't want any what. With our fucking shit show you main don't want anything to do with that. I don't want censorship across the board. In A. Don't want to do it but. We will be here tomorrow by the way I know we suggest. She's GonNa play after work. So we're we're going to be doing the Ross Revolution tomorrow and then drinking bros. speak, news right afterwards of act, and then you're going to get on a plane. Correct. And then go back to north. Carolina. 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Legal Docket, Episode 4: Religious Education Discrimination

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Legal Docket, Episode 4: Religious Education Discrimination

"From World Radio and the team that brings you the world and everything in it. This is the legal docket podcast. Haven't callous bell a small city in northwest Montana about seventy miles from the border with Canada. It's way up north. The airport is called Glacier Park International. And we arrived here the second week of March, before Kovic froze, the economy started shuttering schools. Middle schoolers coming in this store high schoolers coming that door and then when we especially wanted to visit was this private school known as Stillwater Christian? Beliefs. Are you too. That's Jeremy Marsh. He's the head of school at stillwater greeting students as they arrived by car pool. It's early, instill a bit dark and of course, Cold Jordan? Thirty, two the. stillwater follows a classical education model and yes, that means Latin instruction. Three times. Allow. Not. To right. This would be grammar school level they start taking Latin instruction or. Logic and rhetoric your morning. Classical. Emphasis is clear as the Christian emphasis chapel everyone say that's still water. It was those two together that drew Kendra Espinosa to choose the school for her two daughters. She's a single mom we catch up with her in the kitchen. She's chopping up some snacks for her daughters. And Sarah they're fourteen and eleven. That's days usually I get up and I. Get the kids off. To. School. And then I go to work and my job my job is about thirty minutes out. I run the office for them and Have Fun doing it. On my own now with these kids for Nine years. and. Their Dad left in two thousand. Beginning. Of Two. Thousand Eleven. And We've had some. Harsh Char Times more. So in the beginning, there were some really hard years, but since I've been able to. Working fulltime and. Whatever I can do extra to make sure that I can keep them at the school. We used to for a while we had a couple of different janitorial positions and we were doing. Bless you and the girls would help with that come and help clean just. Yeah. We've done all kinds of different things. If you only have one option and it's not. Able to to help enough. then. It really limits me. There's only so much that I can do, and there's only so many hours I work, and so I will you know work extra if I have to make up that difference? But then when the money runs out if there's no programs available for this. I have to step back and say, can I continue to do this because I can't work anymore so I can only work so many hours. We would never be able to make it without some sort of assistance. The state of, Montana. Had a program to assist parents like Kendra Espinosa for a while but in two thousand, eighteen, the State Supreme Court, put an end to it for everyone. That's when Espinosa and other parents decided to mount a challenge ended up taking their case all the way to the US Supreme Court. Thomas. The Mijo. Heard. Cal. Swear solve with. That I will administer justice with. Percents that I. AM. St. Louis discharge the duties of the office which I'm about to enter. So, help me God. John. Welcome to legal docket I'm Mary Record and I'm Jenny This. PODCAST is from the team that brings you the world and everything in it. To. The. Supreme Court of the United States mistake. With US inside the world of the Supreme Court as we look more deeply into current disputes and how they make a difference to Your Life Burton having been through before the honorable. Court of the United States chosen a handful of cases from this past term that we think you will find thought provoking and worthy of consideration. Today. A case of state discrimination. Against Religious Education. The United States and this honorable court. Support for the legal docket podcast comes from listeners like you world is grateful for your generosity, which makes possible. The journalism that powers this program wnyc dot org slash doting. Kendra is knows needed all the help she could get to pay for private school in scholarship money really made a difference but Montana Supreme Court Nixed. Program for which she had applied the reason the State Supreme Court did that because of parents receive receive scholarship money chose religiously affiliated schools rather than allowing that choice. The state. Court ended the entire program for everybody even for parents who chose secular schools here's a line from the Montana Supreme Court's judgment against the MOMS. Legislature ran afoul of the establishment free exercise clauses by compelling tax payers who seek the tax credit to relinquish the choice as to whether to support a religious school and whether to support or declined to support a particular religion. The State Court applied the First Amendment of the Federal Constitution to its State Law to justify stopping the scholarship program it said taxpayers were being forced to pay for religious education taking away their choice whether to support it. Let's explore that a moment. The First Amendment is wonderfully compact forty five words protecting five rights of the people. The first freedom religion has two clauses of protection the establishment clause and the free exercise clause will discuss the nuts and bolts of them in a minute for now keep in mind the Montana Supreme Court applied to provision in its own state constitution to invalidate the scholarship program Kendra Espinosa and two other MOMS said the provision in that state constitution violated the free exercise clause of the Federal Constitution. So the three mom's got a lawyer and took the case to court you've met Kendra Espinosa the two others are Jamie. Shaffer and Jerry Anderson Anderson is mother twelve year old Emma she had strong convictions about Emma's education. Well believe as a parent, I have the right to choose what learning environment there is my child. I know what's being taught at stillwater. Aligns with what we teach at home. And that we're partnership and I've never felt like. What in the world. I it. I see what she brings home. This is what we're trying to do. This is what we're getting at. Church it's we're this big partnership that's working together. And part of that big partnership include scholarship. Money. In Two Thousand Fifteen Montana passed a law to help parents choose the right school for their K. through twelve children. The setup was simple individuals and organizations could donate up to one hundred fifty dollars to a scholarship fund. In exchange they get a tax credit for that modest amount donations accumulated and the parents awarded scholarship money could direct that money to the school of their choice so far so good. Except three years later in two, thousand, eighteen, the Montana Supreme Court invalidated the program and why it nixed the program is the whole reason. This case went before the US. Supreme Court, a whole lot of parents directed scholarships to religious schools like stillwater Christian. But as we mentioned, the State Constitution has a law on its books that bans public funding of religiously affiliated education that law is called the Blaine amendment. That Lane Blaine refrain was popular among those who opposed blades presidential campaign in eighteen eighty four. He would lose that RACE TO DEMOCRAT GROVER CLEVELAND. James G Blaine had been a republican congressman and later senator from the state of Maine and while a member of Congress Blaine back in eighteen seventy six proposed an amendment to the US Constitution to prevent tax dollars going to schools that were under the control of any religious sect that federal amendment failed. But later, Congress, use the language the Blaine amendment as a condition for allowing new state to enter the Union. Sneaky someone who knows a lot about blend amendments is Michael Benda's now he's a lawyer with the Institute for Justice and one of the lawyers representing the MOMS Blaine amendments have he very sordid history and it is critical to understand that history to really understand. What's going on in espionage? these provisions, the State Constitutional provision date back to the mid to late nineteenth century. So let's take a moment to provide some context here what was going on in? American schools back in blames time the Nineteenth Century School today are a lot different of course but back, then public schools were overtly religious Protestant in nature kind of generic nondenominational one of the principal textbooks in use the New England primer. Some sections came right out of the King James Bible other parts were original. It reflected the dominant puritan attitude and worldview of the day and put Bible Education together with other subjects such as reading as you know. Mary I live near Washington DC and a copy of that book is on display at the Museum of the Bible. So for example, everybody knows that as for Adam, Ron Phillips is there and describes the book in Adam's fall we send all is an example of that. Another example that I use a lot is there are a number of prayers were part of that, and some of them at least have been very enduring. So everybody knows the prayer now I lay me down to sleep. I pray the Lord my soul to keep straight out of the New England primer and something that almost everybody even today can still recite. Rare and still so familiar even today. But sadly, it's also the context for why the Blaine admendments succeeded. Dominant protestantism wanted to deny funds to Roman Catholic, schools Michael Benda's again lawyer for the moms takes it from here. During the mid nineteenth century, however, we saw this wave of Catholic immigration to this country. And There were numerous instances. Of Catholic students being expelled and even beaten for refusing to engage in these. Exercises at the public schools they were forced to attend. There are actually judicial opinions upholding expulsion of of Catholic students or were beatings of Catholic students. Catholic parents demanded their children get better treatment in the public school didn't work. They demanded a share of the public school funds so that they could establish their own schools. They were essentially saying look if you're if you're going to require our kids. To these schools that are prostate nature we should get a share of the funds to set up their own schools and you can imagine how that went over at the time. You can imagine it didn't go too well at all a huge anti-catholic backlash arose after the civil war eventually though it did work out in a parallel universe kind of way something that caught my attention was one. Of the AMIGA's briefs filed. In this case, friend of the court briefs those are legal documents filed by people who aren't direct parties to the lawsuit but who still have a strong interest in the outcome these briefs informed the cord of relevant additional information it may want to consider. Now one of those briefs came from the Libertarian think tank, the Cato Institute Trevor Burruss is a lawyer there. That's why we have a thriving Catholic school system in the United States because they were. So discriminated against that they just said, we're GONNA take take our ball and go home and just leave the public education system. Meanwhile, politics is going on isn't it? Isn't it the Republican Party needed something to revitalize its brand that was the anti-catholic politics of the time and remember Republicans tried to play it to their advantage. This is after the civil war in the country is still trying to rebuild. They needed a new signature kind of campaign issue as support for reconstruction was waning and they saw supposed- Catholic threat to the public school system as their ticket their their signature campaign issue in eighteen seventy, five president grant delivered a a widely publicized speech urging Congress to begin the constitutional amendment process to adopt an amendment that would preserve the Protestant nature of the public schools and deny any funding to so-called secretary in schools which was understood in Catholic and That's when James G Blaine enters the picture the man had political aspirations so he took up grants call. To Action Blaine introduced that Constitutional amendment that bears his name to this day the one meant to preserve the Protestant nature of the public schools to deny funding to so called sectarian schools sect religious often derisive way back then Blaine amendment passed overwhelmingly in the House of Representatives not. So in the Senate there, it fell a few votes short of the supermajority required to send it onto the states for ratification that was great. It didn't pass but states then did through the back door what Blaine was unable to do through the Front as new states came into the Union they began including. Blaine amendments in their own state constitutions well, well, well, even that has a backstory in order to become part of the United States in order to gain admission to the Union Montana had to accept the Blaine Amendment I. It was a condition that same condition applied to New Mexico north and South Dakota and Washington before those states could join the union. What they didn't foresee is how that would end up knocking out funding for many Christian parents in the future including parents in Montana. Right and married. This might be a good time to remind ourselves what Montana's Blaine Amendment says we ratified in a state constitutional convention in Nineteen Seventy-two. It forbids state aid to any Church School Academy, Seminary College University or other literary or scientific institution controlled whole or in part by any church sect or denomination. That's the state law and the basis on which Montana Supreme. Court put a hold on that scholarship program by the time the Supreme Court accepted the appeal from the MOMS. The question for the justices became this does a state law violate the Federal Constitution when it allows for funding for education generally but prohibits funding for religious education defending Montana's Blaine amendment at the Supreme Court was lawyer Adam Unique Hausky he started with his strongest argument. I think that one important point of this in this case is that states generally have had power. -CATION to decide that they're only going to fund the Public School system and that is the ultimate effect of the state. Court's judgment in the ultimate effect being to close down the entire scholarship program for everybody not just parents who chose religious education. Now the parents of some of our Supreme Court justices made exactly that choice at least two five of justices at one time or another attended private K. through twelve schools. One of them is just as Brad. Kavanagh. He had a question for Unocal Ski. The state said, we're going to allow the scholarship funds to be used for secular schools or Protestant schools, but not for Jewish schools or Catholic schools. Unconstitutional. Yes. So I think yes. Yes. Okay. So what's different? You say the scholarship funds can be used for secular schools but not for Protestant Jewish Catholic or other religious schools because of the religious status. Okay, let's stop and think about the bill of rights for a minute because that's fundamental here. So very first right mentioned in the bill of rights is about religion it sounds simple enough congress show make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Lawyers call those the religion clauses, two parts to it, the establishment clause and the free exercise clause and those two clauses our intention with one another the establishment clause keeps the government from endorsing or getting too involved in religion not to establish a religion maybe think of it this way the government cannot lift a religion up the free exercise clause protects religious beliefs and to A. Certain extent the. RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF CITIZENS TO FREELY Exercise One's faith the government can't push a religion down. So keep both in mind for this no establishment free exercise. Now let's rewind to justice Kavanagh's question and this time we'll hear Unocal skis answer. Yes. Okay. So what's different when you say the scholarship funds can be used for secular schools but not for Protestant, Jewish? Catholic or? Other religious schools because of the religious status. So I think the right Lens to look at that hypothetical as the establishment clause, which prohibits the state new regardless of whether there's an infringement on any individual Liberty I. Think the establishment clause prohibits the state from distinguishing between one religion versus a different religion and I think that's an example at a lot of the free exercise. Equal treatment cases say you can't exclude religious people religious institutions religious speech because it's religious from a generally applicable program. It's act. It's odious the constitution to quote the words of Trinity Lutherans Oh. Can you hear that tension? Yes no government endorsement of religion but also government cannot exclude religion. That's what the lawyer and the justice were jockeying over in that clip Unocal's gay trying to pull. Over, to the no establishment side Cavanaugh, trying to pull unocal ski over to the free exercise side you also heard Justice Cavanaugh. Mentioned a case called Trinity Lutheran Church of Columbia a case out of your state of Missouri Mary. Grant Program to pay for playground resurfacing but Missouri's Blaine. Amendment was interpreted to exclude preschool playgrounds affiliated with the church. So the agency in charge of the program denied Trinity Lutherans Application Three years ago that exclusion did not fly at the Supreme Court. The agency in charge of the program was the Missouri Department of Natural Resources and when it excluded churches from an otherwise neutral grant program that violated the free. Exercise. Clause of the First Amendment and seven justices said. So here's chief justice John Roberts announcing that opinion in two thousand seventeen. Now, just prior to this clip, he'd mentioned different types of persecution exclusion and job denial are two types of persecution also chains and torture. Now, the Department of Natural Resources is not subjected anyone to change their torture on account of religion. The consequence is in all likelihood a few extra scraped knees. But the exclusion of Trinity Lutheran from public benefit for which it is otherwise qualified. Solely because it is a church is odious to our constitution all the same. CanNot stay. Odious to our constitution. Now that turned out to be the often repeated phrase from that opinion odious to our free exercise rights and let me just say Jenny opinion is so very chief justice Roberts and by that I, mean narrow the court's majority could have taken down Blaine amendments once and for all bought, it did not. The decision is explicit that it's limited to play grounds. This case is about scholarships. So the task of the MOMS lawyer and Espinoza was to convince the justices to expand that playground decision to include scholarships to apply free exercise of religion protection to those two. Now, Justice Elena Kagan was part of that majority seven and Trinity Lutheran, but there seems to me a real difference. In this case, she did not think playground surfaces and religious education are similar in Trinity Lutheran the state was using the religious status of various people or. To limit access to a unrelated public benefit to a completely secular public benefit but even put that. Aside what this is, is essentially a state saying for many reasons that have been viewed as legitimate even though not shared by everybody but have been viewed as legitimate for many years, we don't want to subsidize religious activity in particular religious education. That's a far cry from Trinity. Lutheran. The government lawyer arguing in support of the parents we directed Justice Kagan's focus to the language used in the court below. Here's Deputy Solicitor General. Jeffrey. Wall. You can say it's harder case because it's education it's not a playground put the Montana Supreme Court. Didn't take it as a case about use. It said religiously affiliated schools. That's a status based distinction and I don't think we can distinguish that from trailer. He's making a distinction between Kagins, religious activity and his emphasis on religious status. Now, one has to do with what you do the other with what you are singling out what you are religious for exclusion cannot pass constitutional muster. So that's what Jeffrey Wall argued to counter him. Montana's lawyer Unocal sqi reminded the court that the state held a convention in. Nineteen. Seventy two that he said pretty much cured that old anti Catholic animus even though the language stayed pretty much the same listen to this exchange with Justice Cavanaugh I just WanNa be clear. We're not defending religious bigotry here. Okay. I think new aid clauses have principal justification especially in Mama there they're certainly rooted in grotesque religious bigotry against Catholics. That I think that in the eighteen eighties there was undoubtedly grotesque religious bigotry against against Catholics, I don't think that's Motivation. For this. No that's not true in Nineteen seventy-two. Constitution, which is where this provision was enacted. I don't think there's evidence whatsoever any ansi religious bigotry a powerful rejoinder to that came from the MOMS lawyer the day of oral argument at the Supreme Court? Regardless of the language of the statute at its origin or after the state convention the result is the same listen to Richard comber again, the MOMS lawyer the only reason the court invalidated the program was because it included religious schools and the courts remedy did not cure. It's discriminatory judgment petitioners brought this lawsuit because they were denied. Based on religion and they are still being denied scholarships based on religion powerful statements yet Unocal's ski punched back no, No, no, the whole program was killed. So everybody's treated the same. You see no discrimination against religion. Here's all the MOMS current. Put it. You heard from him earlier. Here's Michael Benda's will really what they're arguing is that you know because we spread the injury around some that cures the injury you know misery loves company, BUT BUT HAVING Company doesn't doesn't fix the misery. And guess what the majority of justices agreed with that assessment but barely a split five to four decision right down ideological lines conservatives in the majority. The Blaine Amendment applied to the Scholarship Fund that excludes private religious education violates the free exercise clause. The moms won the day. The decision came down Kendra Espinosa and Jerry Anderson were over the moon here they are via Skype I. Gerry Anderson. Morning First, off. Thank you I am thrilled with this decision having access to these scholarships. Is GonNa make a tremendous difference toward Ms Future Education. This will help keep her at a school where she in thriving and that she loves Ben Kendra. We are very, very excited about this decision we were yukking hollering this morning about this. This is very exciting What this means for us is that we have that ability to continue at stillwater Christian school with that education they have thrived they've done so well with so far. Mary let's breakdown that five four opinion. Now, the four liberal justices stuck together in dissent as the Conservatives did in the majority. So let's dig in. Okay. So there are a lot of concurrence. Dissents in this opinion concurrence means I agree with the ultimate decision, but I might have a different or additional reason for coming to that decision, and of course, descent is disagreement with the decision. One thing Montana argued is the scholarship program violates the establishment clause reasoning it entangled government with religion. The majority disagreed funds only get the school as a result of parents who independently choose to spend their scholarship funds. Their government isn't involved in that decision. Montana also leaned on a case decided in two, thousand, four called lock versus Davey. Now they're a man seeking a degree in theology was not permitted to use scholarship money to pay. For it and the Supreme Court upheld that limitation saying it didn't violate the free exercise of religion clause but the majority and Aspen Osa didn't by the analysis. In this instance, these families seek a general education at a religious school not training to become a minister. Another argument Montana made its priority is advancing public education diverting money to private schools harms that goal but other kinds of education are not barred by the States Blaine amendments, only religious schools, and that's the thing states don't have to subsidize private education. But if they do, they can't exclude some private schools just because they are religious Mary let's talk about the concurrent. Well. One concurrence came from Justice Clarence Thomas. He agreed with the result but thought the Supreme Court continues to get the establishment clause interpretation. All wrong. He sees this case as strictly about free exercise of religion and when the court can flakes establishment with exercise, it harms the citizen faith and he minced no words about the overt hostility toward religion that lives on an awful lot of court cases. When proof of that is the rise of the? Observer. As though being offended is enough justification to bring a lawsuit against the government justice. Thomas. Also called out the denigration of people who adhere to traditional moral standards out quote his words now. This court has an unfortunate tendency to prefer certain constitutional rights over others returning the establishment clause to its proper scope would go a long way toward allowing free exercise of religion to flourish as the framers intended justice. Samuel Alito didn't mince words either quote the program helped parents of modest means do what more affluent parents can do send their children to a school of their choice. The remaining concurrence from Justice Neal gorsuch basically said it doesn't matter if Montana discriminated based on religious status or religious use. Both are bad news and both are unconstitutional. So that's the majority opinion plus the concurrence is what about the defense? Well, justices Ginsburg Breyer Sotomayor and Kagan thought getting rid of the scholarship program didn't burden anyone's religious exercise and so. No free exercise violation occurred they agreed with Montana that when nobody got scholarship money nobody was discriminated against problem solved and Justice Briar in his own separate dissent thought the luck ruling applied here. That's the two thousand four ruling that upheld keeping scholarship money away from people working toward a theology degree. So that's what the dissenting justices thought now remember earlier we. Heard, from Trevor, burress from the Libertarian Cato Institute he something that I'd not considered before once upon a time, a common liberal position held that public school was a bad idea and that's because the state is not a neutral arbiter of something as important as education think battles over library books paddles over sexual morality paddles over what textbooks to use battles. Over whether to salute the flag and that breeds conflict when the state forces everyone to learn what it wants them to learn. Well, Mary what's next for school choice? The practical implications well, as usually happens around big supreme court decision like this the lawyers hold a press conference in someone asked that very question here's lawyer Tim Keller of the Institute for Justice. Practical implication today's decision policymakers nationwide. Now, have the freedom to enact school choice programs that will empower parents to make important educational decisions for their children. As it stands there are currently thirty seven states with Blaine amendments in their state constitutions. Fourteen of those had previously had strict construction of those provisions that prohibited participation for religious educational options in school choice programs those fourteen states. Are Now prohibited under this ruling from excluding religious options. We'll Jenny let's let the MOMS have the last word. Here's Jerry Anderson talking about her visit to Washington on the day of the oral arguments. So to know, I was there making the change hopefully for my child? And for kids other kids that. That scholarship might make the difference of them attending the school. Of their choice. And then to be able to. The following day walkover and tour the capital and the amount of history that. has taken place under that roof I. Mean there is so intertwined it just. It makes you realize how how small you are but yet. 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Maybe Its You with Author Lauren Zander. (#59)

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57:13 min | 1 year ago

Maybe Its You with Author Lauren Zander. (#59)

"This is Kelly Henderson and you're listening to the velvet edge podcast. What if I told you that all of your dreams are actually possible if you truly want to make them happen that dream dream job? The relationship the happiness and satisfaction that we all want according to author Lawrence Zander. The reason are aren't actually happening has nothing to do with anyone one or anything going on around us but it has everything to do with us. Lauren wrote the book. Maybe it's you where she teaches readers the art of dreaming. If you you are aware of your dreams do you know the steps. You need to take to get them or maybe you were like meat and you don't even know what some of your dreams are yet. Lauren is here to help and gave me the full lowdown on in our conversation. Here's Lauren okay. So as I was saying to you I've been reading the book. The book is maybe it's you and I have to tell you. I have done a lot of therapy. I I like to think of myself as pretty self aware and then I started reading this book and I thought Holy Shit. I can't believe the reason. Some of the thing that I want aren't happening in my life is totally my own fault or the ass and fault is not a dirty word yes more like the like. Hey I actually have used that. It's like a fault line like the fall in the world like that atomic weights me right. Like there's there's fall. Aw Yes that's true. You were raised poor or your father lapped. There's faults but that's not a reason okay. That's that's like no that's where you have to know your cavity so that you can evolve from there because everyone has shit right like we've all gone list of or how our experiences that make us react in certain ways but the whole point of this book for what. I'm I'm what I took away from it was you can still create the life you want. You got to start with the dark to create the light not okay right and I really don't think dark dark with nighttime right like that's not bad. It's just dark mark right so there's a way we don't like to talk about the way rely the way we you know fired someone the way we yell the what you might having shit. Yeah and so then that forces us to lie and Blaine Right Blaine away. The like you made me right. If it wasn't for you I went up. Yeah right and so. That is the source of why we lose Dr Cower because we don't own our dark side so you've created this whole method. It's called the handle method. And you first first of all. I mean you're basing this off of your own experience in life right like it's like you're just looking at everyone else saying. Oh well this is. What's wrong with you guys? Let me let me help you. Yeah it was I was my first Guinea pig. What hap- I really was? I you know I. I was such an hassle. Wow so I cheated my way through all of high school like actually cheated so so yes literally cheated in pay WanNa know how I cheated. I was raised Orthodox Jew which means yeah I knew Hebrew and if you understand Hebrew it's the alphabet in a different like letters right like it's the B. is a bit right. It used to be able to write out all my answers in phonetic Hebrew right so even if someone new Hebrew they couldn't figure out what the Hell I and I could lay the sheet out on the floor in front of me and no one would know I ever cheated on every exam. Oh Oh my God. It's pretty easy. I mean. A. For effort you know for snake right and And so you know I and no one knew it right then. Getting clack Tor- when you're Aligarh right made me feel so cold right so that I cheated to talk never mind sheet everywhere in school. I also cheated on every boyfriend. I had okay like I was like what you didn't know never hurt you of las okay right and so I and no one ever caught me right. I was funny. I was adorable. I was like no one's even know unless I width back and told everybody all my criminal behavior. They never would have guessed it so I was a snake right that in a snake. You at least know it's coming right right and so and then my big transformation was when I figured out that I didn't like I didn't feel up up When I said I love you I did feel it or mean it in a way that you're supposed to write so here with this bad ass captain of the team? It was this persona. That was faker. faulk ed. I realized it was all my fault. That was the original maybe. Let's make his you letting yourself go there because you weren't letting people in like what was your first kind of realization. Would it come or would it look like I couldn't feel I wasn't happy. Yeah like I had the boyfriend I had the school I have like. I had all the things it was like but on the inside I was allying cold manipulator ultimately right and and I didn't really love my best friend. I'd I didn't like I didn't feel or my ideals were a farce but no one knew it except me and I had at a very spiritual experience Because I went to Israel by myself and traveled Europe by myself by myself. My right knee. My five five cassette tapes my backpack and just literally went out into the world state on Kibbutz for six weeks and Cook Vegetarian Food for three hundred if they people but there was. No one really could speak English so I was like a loan for the first time in my life and I had really you get a magical experiences right that that made me like break. Free of what an ass hole I was and and I literally. I don't recommend this to anybody but I came home until the truth to everyone. Every boyfriend every friend every lie I was holding for other people. We'll I told the truth about school. I told everyone who would listen. I sat my parent- my Orthodox Jewish parents down and told him how many people I had sex within their bed. Ah My God like I blew up you into the opposite extreme. I literally blew up who everyone thought I was so I could feel we'll alive again and be present and which is and eat crow and and be true to myself for the first time in my life so thus began a journey into creating. Now once you blew up who you were you were like will now have to relearn how to live. Yes yeah I had been it. Actually you know I had to make new friends. Yeah so completely. Starting over I really started over like I started. Were like I had like you know and every one of those people that I apologize to. You know I you know at least facebook Brunswick now right so like I I like really cried and really explained like I like did a native man right go through it until you know I was free and an old like so I can say exactly what I'm saying right right now in a way that people would truly also WanNa come clean maybe right and really start to understand that the source of of darkness in humans is the ability to lie for others. But really pretend you're doing it to keep your mom happy 'cause you know like we start to keep secrets. We believe elite and it locks us into our personality though it was my live that had me not me who are lies and that like revelation blew to my self into a way more present human being and then I started meditating and then I then I could like the open to everything he so as as you're going through that in your own your own process what were you. What were you learning that you were like? I have to go tell other people people about this and like you had you felt like you needed to start teaching other people about what you're learning. That didn't happen until I change so so I was an environmental studies major. I really was like early late. Eighties I was. You know you people are killing my Goddamn flat I like I like Oh my God right like you know so I was like I was not very good at science but I was devoted to save the planet and save the Water and the seals and save everything right and then I it was like the war like I hated. Did the work. Yeah but I thought that that was what work was and And then I realized that the wait felt was so wrong this camping my fulfillment right. I can't hate my career because it's right right one has to do it right. And then what I realized when I was twenty two And now I'm turning fifty When I was twenty two I realized that I was saved the trees killed people and then I had the revelation? Oh people don't see the tree right. It's not the tree the trees these are going to be fine right that humans are GonNa make it right and then I really had the biggest cry of my life and remember it and I really apologize. My parents were studying the wrong thing and I became like I decided I was headed for south health right like I. I wasn't going to go back to school. Because that's not my forte. But I was GONNA go to. Wherever people were doing south? This was at twenty two. Yeah Wow I left a great job at the United Nations that I thought was my dream and it was really a nightmare and I told the truth about that. quit that and got my for stopping southbound. Wow and then my joke was. I ran away from that car. I ran away from that company screaming eventually but thank God I stay. There are and learnt everything. I've learnt there because it helps me figure out what I would do. That was basically the opposite of that. Okay yeah so the handle method you you say in. Your book is a step by step. Coaching process that addresses one's entire life teaches people how to dream to realize every last one of their dreams and learn how to clean out their closets both literal and figurative so that they can have the lives that they are wildly proud of. Yeah so you've put this now into this book. Why does this method work? What's been your experience? What does this work because I first of all? I'm in love with human being. I think we're ethically can change at like it. We're we're at What we don't have have language or cross S.'s? That help us be true to yourself right there like my you know. We're so busy teaching our kids Algebra Math Christopher Columbus like read every book that was read before you like the the way we teach grow up as a human has vero being education. Oh my God I so agree with that right and and you know people don't even know how to pick their mother. People don't notify sex people don't know how to figure out their own value. Yes I'm so. The entire a message is a construct to get you to answer all the questions of your higher self and conquer your lower south off your lower self says get back rollover. Don't vote for a rat. Don't tell them to touch you there. don't tell your boss says don't do that. You'll get Mike so fear rules society. You could say ned freedom and free flags and go be true to yourself. is not taught And so I have been pioneering how to get a human to to develop their own language on on what they want on who they are on what what works about you. What doesn't work out? You like it when you say it yourself and you know yourself that's the the act of loving yourself right. I can teach courage and I can teach promises and I can teach then I can teach you what I know. That makes six all of us. Great and it's not about well I mean it's not about Al beating yourself up. It's like what you said about. Just getting honest with yourself I teach people to have an ethics sense of humor about being you. What do you mean If no no one everyone feel like one of the things I teach. Is that speak. We think feeling bad. When you don't do something you said you would do is like a way like that? Suffering is like a cleansing good thing versus bullshit. Oh Shit like feeling bad as Ole ship like if you're going to watch Netflix. Till two in the morning have fun right. Do you understand instead of beating beating yourself up over everything like literally. You're eating the bag of chips while you're watching till two in the morning and then you feel like shit about yourself and as if that's going to inspire you not to do it the next right so we learned to loathe ourselves for the actions were taking that we don't respect and if that loathing did anything but get another bag of chips the next night it really just sucked and then you make series about yourself that you know my mother was never but at it. I'll never be good at it right so then we have these theories that I call weather weather reports like we weather report ourselves except we don't believe in ourselves to. It's really one day at a time and nothing's trip nothing's true about any of us not take what you did yesterday doesn't mean anything about today now. It really is predictable. If you're still they're saying the same thing in that head of yours that you'll do the exact same way yesterday yes. They're science that backs that up. But if I could get my hands on you you have the ability to making. They can keep promises to yourself right with. You know with a consequence I need if I need a consequence you need a cop right and consequences are are what I'd say is using the darker light right night when I wanted to Meditate twice a day right it was very simple. Here's how I nature. I meditate twice a day for my eye elevated ten minutes. I didn't do a twenty right but what I did was I said no coffee till I meditated and no screen time till I meditate it. Do you have any idea how easy it was to do. my meditation right up easy. You wanted the coffee Offi and you wanted to screen Tom. Yes so then. What did meditating become a habit of? I met yeah I mean I do something else now I really manifested. I do some something different but I love meditation. I believe about attention. I meditated for five years straight. Like I have done that but I now I do. Are I make art instead. Ray I do something different now but I love it. But it's like a meditation process from God. But yes when I you know oh Emily Fletcher is a very good friend of mine. Teacher that I love and I promised I brought her into my company to teach meditation to everybody and do Saturday and then we all took it on for six weeks straight and so then I was in on for six weeks straight. So it's like you know I love flavors of lots of flavors of people's ability to teach great ship. So can we talk about how you teach people how to learn how to dream though because that is a part of this whole process and what you were just talking about you know like you do have to reward yourself and I want to get into the weather report stuff that you talk about later but but but I do you see a consistent theme among your clients or people who read this book on why we have a a hard time even knowing what are dreams are yes what is a few good There's a few good answers. Okay okay the for the first is it is really sad so everybody you know. Hold your breath by second. Okay everybody you here. We go According to Science Ryan's I could tell you the study. But according to science human beings over eighty percent of our thoughts are negative. Wow Eighty percents. It's over eight rate. It gets worse. That's not even the worst part ready for the worst part I guess repeating from the day before. So just that's what you were actually just talking about so like you know like the person who has road rage and right and drives down and gets pissed at everybody drive. Everybody's driving I think. Yes you do they do it every time they're driving right and every time you go into the frigerator and you're like you know I should eat that apple. Look it's my kids rights. Putting rate I deserve that. Today was hard right like how many days right so we are logic. We don't witness kness are logic and are negative thoughts about ourselves or what's happening are repeating improving themselves every day. We were just along for the ride. So because we're we're not engaged in taking over our inner dialogue. We don't hear how dismal it is. You understand yes still. We don't even. We're not realizing we're doing any of that stuff. No we really clearly subconscious. It's it's it's a conscious and it validates itself right. It isn't that you aren't going to work and being a great nice person like there's many things about each of us that is naturally positive and just like it takes nothing for you to be nice. I'm fat every starbucks for like anywhere you go. No one can make you stop at and it's natural for you right. There's also dark shit that you can't like deposited doesn't stop either. It's just don't have enough of what we want that really positive right. And so the greatest interrupted all of this is to ask a person to have a vision for not just the three areas of life. Everybody focuses on. What are the threat? Is everyone focuses on your relationship. Your love life her her career bring in money and your health. If it's you know and then your children and then maybe the Euro Pam like like fun and adventure learning branding like really making money really having the career of your dreams like no one's really. Everyone thinks they're like well because my dad was this guy. Hi and I right. We all have all our lodge for why we can't have ethic dreams and so the ask ask a person to start to dream like I have never Read Dream I eat. No matter how successful person is that doesn't come with all their fears riddled in there like that. My husband and I Get good at having difficult congress. Yeah you know like that sounds positive but can you hear what the woman really free right. I thought that was so interesting. Because in the book you give Throughout the booker giving examples of a couple of your clients experience area which was super helpful to me because I could see myself in so many of the things that they did and I just wasn't aware like you said I just wasn't aware of the voices in my my head and so much of What their first dreams would be? Were very much just like yes. Riddled and fear. Fear or Kind of putting the blame on someone else. Earn just making the excuse and kind of like I hope maybe you know I could get this or you know something like that which I thought was so fascinating. Yes we are if I said. Tell me all the reasons. You can't have have your dream you could write for dome. Could write a full novel about it right. Yes tell you to write all the reasons you can have your dream who you will find a pity Pity Party starts to form. Do you WanNa know what my first reaction was is. I've never been good at dreaming. I thought and then I read that that was like pretty common uh-huh and I thought I thought to myself because I know I know certain people Who from a young age have been like? I know that I want to do this with my life life and I've never felt that way like I've had certain things I like more than others but yes I immediately responded with. I don't know my dreams are are because you know I I completely downplayed any sort of success. I've had as maybe I just lucked into it or something. Yes it's it's one of the most convenient lenient ways to never have to know yourself deeply. What do you mean so? You're sure I want you to know if you if you got stuck with me for a little while and I read your haunting and I read your parents rates and then I registered. You're right like when you do the first exercise exercise your right the whole first thing. What you will find is the way you track yourself into your lower south at dozen believe the higher self king to do like it's a battle between dark and light higher self lower South Yin Yang and in your lower south? You can here your higher self stream but we never sit down and study ourselves like what could be more cool than to fall in love with our issues and our dreams right right but you know how much time have you spent writing your dreams learning how to really understand yourself like we have zero. Yeah right and if I even asked you to spend a day on it it would like seeming exhausting tail right but if I said you know do you have kids. Do you want your kids to have their dreams. You want them to get prolific dreaming or do you want put them to tell you why the world doesn't accept. Wow Yeah it's like it's so sad at it so the opposite of who were meant to be. It's so true about the F. mmediately because there's twelve different areas of your life when you talk about dreaming which ourselves body loves spirituality career money time home family friends fun adventure community contribution and and I read that list and I thought it just seems so daunting it was like I'm supposed to write a dream. All of these things like that that in and of itself so a little exhausting to me. You're right. That was my immediate response. I know but then I also read it and I thought yeah I can't. I cannot tell you what my dreams are and a lot of those areas at this point so obviously I need to do this. Yes and then what happens. Here's the beauty of doing okay. I know no one has to believe me but it's I swear true When you write your dreams and you connect to them spiritually emotionally and physically like okay? Like I'm sitting down in writing this. I'm looking for it. I'm following these instructions. I'm taking the time to really ask myself how to fulfill on my life's mission like what's that's my life's mission. Yeah right What no one expects? Is that when your head says you're exhausted. Did you feel exhausted when your head says I WanNa make twice as much money next year Kravitz moves to write like the world doesn't work the way we literally think it does like hammer unveil. It won't stick to the wall right. No the inner dialogue is always going to sleep. It's conjuring it's talking to itself when it's singing a song it's like A. We are so much more discourage role than we've ever known right and we don't have any access to it. We don't tap in we don't have language for it right and religion has done such a fuck up number nothing personal anyone who loves it and it's working for them with. There's there's Chris way it does it. God is outside of you prayed and get on your knees people versus that that it's inside of you. Write your spirituality your soul your love of yourself your aspirations your mission if you talk to it. It can't rule you write more people out astrology than they ask themselves. What's most important to that? I'm probably guilty of that. I didn't say I can't say don't pray. You know what I mean. Yeah coming true true. We don't have language for him. Don't force ourselves to have language inside of our flight we don't take over our inner DILAA and that we don't even hear the one that's in there and that if I literally could get you to hear the one that's in there I get you to take it over and really start to get that that is most critical place to create your life from when you say to yourself how you talk to yourself and no one understands understand that it's so relative in their right. If you decide your husband's hot you'll sleep with him tonight. Husband should have done X Y and Z. Six six months ago you're allowed to deprive him of sect and then you never wonder about your own sexuality assists all right that was really interesting and there's a lot about relationships and ships in this book and so I've seen this in my own life. I see this in my friends. Live but where you're unhappy situation yet. You are just holding owning onto the bad as the reasons why you're doing everything you're doing and you're not actually doing anything to change the nature of the relationship. Yeah and then you don't also come. I'm clean 'cause you already decided. They can't handle true right every every everyone think. Oh you know what's his face. Jack Nicholson and that new. We are Razi with what we believe. That has never hit the light of day. Yeah so you say in the book uh-huh Maybe the That you have some good news and some bad news for people and it's the part about that. Maybe it's you you know the the May be part is is just an outright lie like Hugh. It's judge you talk about that. It was always a joke. I made like originally from like. Why don't I feel loan right back in the day? Why noisy like I don't trust anyone right like why like? Oh I'm not trustworthy. Were they right like why. Don't I feel love. I don't really love anyone because I won't tell them the truth. Like Oh shit maybe. It's new ooh yeah right like and then when and then I say that I about everything I still need that tagline. Everyone be clear who. This isn't going away I one two and instead of going. It's my husband's fault. It's my kids right. I'm like maybe it's me and then you rip the maybe off like the fan base and then you go. It's me I can do something about like. What do I need to do about it? Like what do I like a good cry. I need to figure out what my dream this year I. I need to share my dream with my sixteen year. Old Daughter right like Oh shit right like nothing's fixed nothing is the way my head says it is so. That's that's why it's good news though because it's that you actually have things that you can do about your unhappiness. That is the whole like there is nothing fixed just about where I helped you know. I just You know I helped a very famous guy. I lose a hundred pounds. Wow but he like you know. And he's he's turning fifty he's never lost recommend right and he just lost one hundred pounds and he has a girl like the dream also so critical because it then gives you the what for her changing your behavior right the motivator it like and if you're not motivated to lose the weight and if you're not motivated to it's like you want like everyone wants millions of dollars no one would raise their hands but no one wants to the word right it isn't. There isn't a chicken the world that doesn't WanNa be some size you know sexier and cuter that jumps into jeans and likes to be taking we all raise our heads at that right right and then if you don't have a dream about what it is to be healthy not a vital at sexy and free. You will not do the work you will not learn to love you know spin class right like those people that are in in there have a vision for their whole life right and so some people are born with it. I certainly wasn't yeah right and so you can vote but we all have the ability and it's so we were saying earlier you know that everyone's Kinda got their shed or you've I've had your relationships like I know immediately for me when I was reading some of these James I was like right like what if you're in a relationship with an asshole or what if your parents were abusive abusive and you're not saying like Oh that's okay or oh you have no reason to be upset like it's not taking responsibility for those people's behaviors is but you're just saying to take your power back. Well you know I cropped really think that you're fat like the only thing that was you know I'll call it God given was you know what you look like your your family like your mom dad siblings you know the culture you were born into right and all of those characteristics so I do believe I believe that lineage which is the history of all of our history that we were born into that one of the most powerful shifts I I ever made is stop feeling like like who asks for the ship but like oh I asked for it like these. This is like this is my. This is what I came in here for. I came here to work on my family. My lineage. My Body my love right like so I actually believe we chose those things even though we don't remember being invited to a party because that makes sense and your gifts rain rain end but also in there is your your greatest mission fulfilling on your life. Why are you here yes? So there's like two movies that I think summit up if anybody wants to get a good laugh like two movies that mimic it. One is defending your life. It's ethically it's like goofy from the eighties. Edits Albert Brooks but pretty narrow street position in it and You know like it's a historic it's hysterical and it's a must see to get a good laugh at a perspective of of what happens after you die right okay and then the other one. That pretty much sums it up. Is Brown pocket. Wait say that again. The two movies that basically sum up like the joke of being alive are groundhog a groundhog day. Yes defending your life. Oh man whose groundhog day is. Just repeating the same thing over and over and over until you get the joke and that you'd rather you're live your best day no matter what. Yeah and feel epic regardless of it's GonNa get you nowhere except experience of the and and then the day he did care ever again that he was just going to get up and do it again like he stopped resisting same as it ever was like talking heads. Hi the date he got. That was the day it was never the same day again so it was like a catch. Twenty two beautifully done and and so i. I really really love that movie because it captures the bad joke of groundhog day in your life in my life and then defending your life is ethically thickly like you gotTa Watch it and sorry. It's a you know it's really it really nails the afterlife and it really makes fun of humans It makes fun of our level food like it has so many jokes in it that it changed my life okay. I'm definitely watch this one. You sell it like you'll get you'll get that like. Oh that's a really good way to walk on earth right. It's not not that I believe you know if you go lauren. What you bet your children's life on your spiritual notions I would say no and you will they? Why do you talk about them and have them on like because it makes life so much more President and enjoyable. Yeah and deep and so then you know I make people really you have no idea. How many people right off spirituality? Because you you know. They don't believe in religion or they are stuck in you know because they're gay because of it like they like like they're they're outcasted there. It's like so boxed in or or the Catholic priests are like everyone has like this like all bad and all of that doesn't let a person connect to their own definition of spirituality. In what is it for you and I don't think anyone like we all want to invent what it is to be a mother what it is to have money what it is to be a sister or a brother what it is to. It'd be a Fred what it is to care about your community like we're we're missing the opportunity to invent for ourselves like what life is for. We just got an I mean. Well I'm just hearing so much of you sang a of just living period. Like we have all these voices in our head or whatever you WANNA call them but we're not actually living and realizing are true like fulfilling lives let alone realizing you can take over your inner dialogue exactly well. Let's talk about that a little bit because you kind of touched on the weather stuff earlier but yeah this was. This was a kind of a while moment for me too because I think that I know somewhere internally that I let fear drive a lot of what I do but reading about what you call the chicken voice I was like Oh my God that is so. It's that it is so for me to talk about what chicken voices. Okay so there. Are you know the voice of the chicken is the voice of you. Don't say that don't Miss Hand. Why did you get it wrong? Don't tell them why you were really tell them this you know. Don't tell your friend you didn't invite because you're mad at her like if the voice of the chicken is a is always strategizing had a not get get in trouble had not upset anyone how to not hurt people's feelings how to get ahead by not. Aw telling the truth like literally glorifies hide your voice in the name of keeping other people happy I think in the book you go. The chicken is just a pussy which made me laugh out loud. It's it really is like if you watch a chicken. Should it'd be scared of everything 'cause it's GonNa get eaten by anyone rights right like the world is a bunch of predators gonna eat the chicken right. You got that and so the way we interact with the world at large is where chickens. I mean we're little were were F- like everything about us as scared of not getting what we want. What's GonNa Happen here? What am I yelled at me? What if she takes away the car? What if she so we we become liars to keep everybody else? Happy and we lose the voice of our troops l.. We don't even care about it. We're developing being the voice of the chicken so that we can get ahead and bad fear and strategizing you like you the amount people strategize and never even have great sex with her own husband because they don't want to hurt their or feelings or tell the truth about has it right. It's like you know and then we're so offer to find our own voice about what we liked like. We can't even have five sentences for our own. You know body parts right we'll be full. Might not even know again. There's no dream there's no talking about it can bay. It's chicken lot so a lot of the chicken voice. Is The people pleaser voice that we know about now it's people pleaser and it also uses your past. It uses past precedents like well. You got in trouble that time so it it feels a case. Okay right yeah and it it you know there are joke. Is that you know. It's a bunch of squatters waters. That like no what they know. And so therefore you can never have restricted their father and he's never asked that from your husband and so you have to sneak in and and you come up with all these other strategies because fundamentally you're a chicken and you believe that the other person's more important than you or you don't WanNa lose their love like there's some way you put together your boss or someone on a pedestal and your Lestat and then this is like the only way you can figure out how to not get. Did you cut out. Lauren are you say that. Say That last part. Cut Out this part about you is your boss. Had fees figure out how to get and it cut out so what happens is as we become strategists and use the voice of the chicken chicken to come up with like how to get what we want given what we believe we have there been a yell at us. They're never going to give us that day off. They don't care a ballot. You know getting credit about that so you won't say hey. I really want you to notice right like I won't even have knowledge rights right because because it so we have all these strategies of how do we get what we want. Given the way we see the world. which is there's big bad wolves everywhere gonNA eat us? Wow and then we have a brat too which is kind of like our teenage self. Almost well I am. You can imagine even just for my tone that I am. I leave way more on the bright side. Okay tell us all right. I'll do you tomorrow. I'll go to bed when I want. I'd rather starve than exercise and eat right. All I won't apologize is right. It's your fall it. I could be mean right because you hurt my feeling like I'll even tell you the truth truth without setting it up with you like very bratty immature impetuous like a like entitled right because you know like like really quite creepy Li like a like a little baby bitch right but you know I told the truth right right so you could. You could have both though it's not like you're like a chicken or a Brat it's like different wall Wentz where we can be. Both we are both. Yeah both any any time. You don't have what you really want. Whether it's the body the money the job the marriage the relationship with your kids. It's basically typically a dance between the chicken and the Brat an and today's basic behavior right like what did you do today. Well I I really wanted my kid to come with me so I took away her phone and said get my car out that work. She didn't talk to me the whole time. And then I got really pissed and then I said she couldn't go out right. Wow and what was this. All for Rhode Island better relationship right and it's all her fault right so there you know what I mean. So it's like and then blame it on teenagers so if you were coaching that person you told the story about what would you. What would be a better response or away for that person to get what they wanted and have a better relationship You would you. Would you would really share with your kid. What you're sad? Bow what you're missing. What you yearn for what you hope for four and then ask them what they yearn for hope for and then try and go? Why is it this way? What do you think it is this way? What could we do? Did you would negotiate with that. Well you never let me you don't this you don't trust me you don't like your this disciplinarian that's a jerk. I don't WanNa give you love because and I don't WanNa play with you unless I need clothing right likes. You're no fun mom right and so what could we do. That would be fun. And how could I make you happy. And how could like. How can we negotiate right? Well you know and then you start associating and you're starting to develop that relationship but you don't do it like you get in the car so forcefully contriving well like you're the parent you know because I said so right. Isn't it so interesting because I'm listening to you. Say that an isn't it so interesting to think about how how many things or relationships and our live that. Maybe the US relationships I think this is an easy example but like you probably have the same end goal but because of our sometimes inability to communicate or be open or be honest or to know our dreams remes it can fall apart completely like you. Just don't get what you want once you think you know something like I know he'll never love me the way I want. That's like one. Plus one is two any belief you have theory. You have about your husband about yourself about your career. Once you've locked it. Yeah believe that thing. Yeah no matter how much you wish it was different different. That's like painting a glass. It's still a glass no matter where it is right so the fundamental thing that I teach in the method and and I get people to go after and really see for themselves through the process is the negative beliefs. That are age old in you that unless as you change your mind and Change Your own theory and cure your theory you are going to be cruising that theory. It's the nature of the beast. One hundred percent. I agree with that I call them the stories in my head or the stories. But it's like if you decide something about someone which usually for me is based on a fear. I have like it would be a fear if they this was in fact true but if I decide it every single thing they do I I will somehow be a see. I knew it. You know. I'll use that as proof to prove whatever that's theory is ahead or that story so in Quantum quantum physics. They did a study where they shot. Like a photon out of a laser and they created created a test of like this thin little slit and they shot the Photon to see if the photon would go through the slit. And guess what it went through the slips life and then they set up the tests that they'd have to slits and they shop. The one Photon to see if the particle would split guess. What the particle split amazing? It does exactly what we think is GONNA do. Now Watch for the Kicker K ready so the control test was they had the two slits they shot the photon but they watched it on a camera. They weren't watching it in the room. Got Me like the human was not watching. Okay and the photon did not not just split into two. It's split into thousands. Oh my gosh okay. And then what they figured out. Is that a human's focus is causing the way things move so if you believe your husband's a jerk you're making him what that doesn't mean that all of it if there's you know what I mean but there's a way to which we leave something at it proves itself if you're looking for the jerk on the road you're gonNA find them looking for how your kid is in GonNa honor you. You're gonNA find him what we look for. reprove out yes I then go ahead so then the genius would be figure out what you're proving that pay. I don't WanNa prove yeah and then figure out what you wish you would prove the dreams Catcher in a dialogue and take over the Fokker and that's pretty much what this book teaches you to do that was to me. That was a really good summary of this whole experience. Yes it's really you know twenty years later of of practicing this on on humans. Yeah gene humans. Human better it's it's it's so much more fun to be alive when you believe you have that kind of leverage power. I mean it. Isn't it true I've had days where my life looked. Exactly exactly the same like could have two different days but my life looks exactly the same situations are the same they. The relationships are the same. Nothing has changed changed except my attitude. Or you know the way I'm thinking about things and I can feel two completely different ways about the same exact act scenarios. Yes exactly right. That's exactly the point so you didn't create your you don't know you could take over the like it's all automated Machi in right right birthdays like I can take over the control. I can find the control control. Dial right right just like you know you can take over like you could hold your p and then p right like like the like ladies and gentlemen let's take takeover our minds. It seems to be the wild west of the new frontier of being Trudeau ourselves. And having what we want yes so fit in goal though. Because it's not like you just do this book one time or you may ride down your dreams. One time right and you're just life is perfect so is is this a constantly evolving state for us. It's even worse than that the minute I also teach like steak so it's all states of being if you would go. Your body is a three right on a scale of one to ten. Here's how you think about your body what you say to yourself. There's the memories you use against your pass if you're in a state of three the three is pervasive so when you dream and then change your promise like event like your vision and then you realize in that vision you have to have very different you know promises about the eating and exercising and Blah Blah Blah Blah. Now pretend you lost twenty pounds. You exercise four times a week. You take weekends off love of how you're eating your so proud of yourself. Great you can either choose to maintain right like stay at eight for the rest of your life or you can pretend the eight is the new one and start from there again. Okay wait so that again and knows I needed again. Tell me again halo into ten. Yes go is yellow one to ten. I wet my marriage and my sex life is an eight I you can go well. Let's just keep doing the same thing over and over again. I love any rights right or in my method I will say when you've been at an eight you should call an eight a one. Okay so you want to start over and keep growing yes I think you we. I think humans humans came in with a bunch of problems and we're here to evolve our problem and that's the fun of being and so the more you you game the system the more you want. It's not I don't need more money. I make a nice living I vary. I not about the cars but it's about my dreaming and at pushing the envelope and having a vision right so whatever like you should every human should be having that much fun being alive. WE'RE GONNA be dead a lot longer than we're going to be alive rights right and so we get however long we get on earth and like really folks. It's smells good. It tastes good. You know there's so much to do on earth that you will never get to. Are you living and that like are you living your dreams and your beliefs of what's possible. Yeah and that's and so. When are you done with that when you're not here anymore? Yeah I'm pretty aggressive about I love. I love that because it to me all I keep hearing and what I read in the book and what my experience was doing the activities was just not that my life. If isn't good now but my life can be so much more full and I just realized that and I didn't even I wasn't fully aware of it you know Yeah but once you write it down and it's not it wasn't even a bad thing. It was a very like oh moment for me which to me is exciting like you said. I think it's super exciting. Yes yeah it's IT'S I. It's really for a type of wants to and it really works against depression and it works against you know. I had a client yesterday. Say that she very successful woman. Pray like embarrassingly successful woman. Yeah Yeah and then. What's he thanked me for is ever? Since she took over in dialogue get really unlike started doing this work. She hasn't been depressed ever again like it disappeared because she took over the narrative of everything that was depressing right like she got. Even depression was her own choice. Choice choice like anybody would sign up for it but like there was a way you can take over Utah Dialogue and really evolved past anything. Yeah well the book is called. Maybe it's you a highly recommended. It's been a very good experience for me Lauren. Where can people find you? Are you on social media media I am we are we are we are my Lord right you everywhere we are. I've we in twenty years later. We have a lot of contents out there. So the handle handout grew you know once you hit handout group you can get it. We have free. We have like we are given it away. UK Grain we we edit and our main program which is like a community we have group calls like you pay one fee? And you're in for tonight. It's called inner you and I and it's twelve sessions. Twenty five minutes each of teaching the whole method and the homework on there. And there's a you can get a buddy and meet people and there's classrooms that are all on zoom and I go on. They're like we're all like and we built a world for community across the world and and that's the book but on steroids. You mentioned that in the book because once yes you write out your dreams and Figure them out. You tell people that you want you want them to go read them to someone like a trusted person and that is so how important I believe so that it gets establishing that community. That's an awesome tool. I just wish people understood how much more fun licensed together. Yeah yeah like an an every I have never read their. It's very people that think they have enough great right and finding meeting people. You can do this with that are like looking for you too. Bright his really special. 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Let's Ride: The "Standard is the Standard" isn't just another Tomlinism for the Steelers

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Let's Ride: The "Standard is the Standard" isn't just another Tomlinism for the Steelers

"Pittsburgh. steeler. Fans. What is going on everyone happy Wednesday it's update. That's right. It's Wednesday morning. I'm your host Jeff here for another episode of Let's Roger Monday Wednesday. Friday morning podcasts four behind the steel curtain dot com part of our behind the steel curtain dot com audio platform as a quick aside wherever you're listening your podcast follow us Google play Itunes Stitcher Apple Podcast Pandora? spotify. Ama- spotify guy and if you listen on spotify just hit that follow button so that you get every single notification updated, there is A. New podcast out there not just my shows I do a lot. For instance on Wednesday afternoon you can hear my first injury report podcast of the week. If you missed my Mike Tomlin recap podcast from Tuesday can go back and check that out the steelers preview on Friday. These are all shows that I do but Brian Anthony Davis does a ton Dave Scofield does a ton Michael, back, Jeffrey Benedict, they all do their own thing and it's all great. So make sure you check that out wherever you get your podcast. So speaking of one of those podcasts I do as the Mike Tomlin press conference recap and I hope you check out that podcast is he's not long innocent people I never get my dad Watching bill our press conferences as a kid was Kinda like a weekly endeavor. We would sit there. We would watch the replay and we'd watch it right after dinner says, did we finish eating dinner in the six o'clock news will come on and they would have the full might of I'm sorry the full Bill Cower press conference and he come out there in those ugly sweaters with his mustache and we'd sit there and watch and at the end my dad voice say he thurs hands of. Is He didn't say anything he didn't tell us anything. That's what these guys do at the time I was a kid I didn't realize it didn't understand it. Now I get it might Tomlin is the master manipulator when it comes to press conferences, he is a wordsmith. Add to the home team degree. He can say everything while saying nothing at all. That's the master right there he so good at it, but you know what he also is so good in. So subtle with these messages to his team through the media, he doesn't all the time through training camp through his press conferences doesn't matter if he's speaking to the media, it could be for ESPN or NFL network he. Will speak to certain players or to his team through that platform. He so good at it but you know a lot of people say I don't want to listen to tolen- go on and on about painting Barnes read in getting on moving trains and all those Tomlin `ISMs. Well, that's what my podcast is for I of just cut to the chase I give you what you need to know from the podcast. But I started thinking about Tomlin `ISMs. In reason interview that he did it was a podcast with Patrick Peterson and former steeler cornerback pride McFadden who also spend time in Arizona hence, the connection Peterson they had tom on they said coach what is your favorite quote? Your motivational Klay. What's your favor? One? Your go to Any as probably he's probably the standard is a standard in that has been all over the place on the wall. In the locker room. We used to have a podcast. You're are former flagship podcast when news myself and Lance Williams, we dubbed that show the standard is a standard that has since been retired but Yeah. A everyone knows that if you're a steeler fan and your know what the standard is, a standard is while you're not a steeler fan in my opinion but. The title of this podcast. Is. All based on that? But I WANNA make sure some make something very clear. That the standard is a standard amongst the Pittsburgh steelers is not just a Tomlin ISM. It is not a situation where is just something that coach says It's a motto. It's a mantra. But by today live. They live by the untainted degree. These players they. Live for this, the standard is the standard. Think back. And I'm only going to list a few. But you can think back and this goes back to even bill cowers days. Trust me the level of expectation was always the same no matter who was in lineup. Mike Tomlin just called it. The standard is a standard ironing sharpening iron, actually a biblical reference, but anyways. Think back to situations where a player got heard in someone stepped in did their job and then some. It's happened a bunch. It's happened a bunch. I go back to players like when Willie Parker got his shot when Jerome Bettis was hurt. I think back to William Gay who played in the slot and eventually worked outside due to injuries in situations like that. I even think back two, thousand, nineteen when Mason Rudolph in Devlin Hodges Yeah wasn't pretty. But my gosh could that have that season could've gone south in a hurry in the least had him right there in contention in the last quarter this season it didn't pay out plan out the way anyone expected but. They won a lot of football games that football team it could have been better. I understand that but it but still they they did their part. I think about Tyson. Aliu. Who? When steph onto it went down or when Cam Hayward went? down. They step in, you lose on Hargrave in free agency and does anyone miss j von Hargrave this year. I haven't I. Don't think many people have even mentioned his name outside of the week five game when Philadelphia his current team came to. Pittsburgh. I go on. To Wendy Angela Williams was signed by the steelers lady unveil got into some off the field issues. What did he do? He just lead the NFL rushing the during that time. I think back to guys like nate Washington and Cedrick Wilson. When their number was called, they stepped up, they made the plays necessary. They had big games. They weren't stars. Maybe, someone that personifies is more than anyone else when I really think about it. Is more wealth more y'all remember world a more. I mean when all the running backs were hurt was milwaukee more who actually carried the team this is a third down back a guy that would just come in on third downs. Good. Pass catcher could pick up the bloods and he carried that team. Thank back to Jalen Samuels a couple years ago New England. Every running back on the rosters hurt here comes a rookie he's never really played running back. Russia's forever one hundred, forty yards against the Patriots and they win. Vince Williams rookie year six round draft pick Florida state very focused down. He has to fill in. It's all relative here. I could go on I could give you more and I'm sure wherever you're listening to this podcast right now you're probably thinking of a ton of examples in your head about my Gosh I think about all these situations where these players have stepped up. There's a million more in Pittsburgh steelers history even in modern history, we're talking cower. Tomlin Manera. But this all boils down to one specific situation of the steelers find themselves in right now. And that is the Devon Bush is done for the year. He's done. Today Wednesday Mike Tomlin. Said Devon Bush will undergo surgery to have his ACL surgically repaired. So thoughts and prayers go out to Devon Bush senior I first and foremost. When it comes to WHO's going to be filling those shoes. Everyone's point Roberts Lane. But before we dive into Roberts Blaine, who is Robert Spelane? You've got to know that the standard is not going to change. The level of expectation is not going to change splaine you talk to the media via zoom earlier this week said it himself. I've been here with this team. The team knows me they trust me. I'm ready to prove myself. Basically, he's ready to prove himself worthy of being the inside linebacker for the Pittsburgh steelers. I mean think about it in my Tomlin says it's a ton during his press conferences that injuries while unfortunate and sad at times opened the doors for other players to perform well. That's exactly what's happened with Roberts Blame Roberts. Flaine has bounced around the NFL a little bit. The Pittsburgh steelers picked him up. He's a special teams guide. They love him on special teams. Won The second half of that Cleveland Game. He announced his presence with authority if you know what I mean. The guy is a hitter. He's a thumpers I like to call him. He's a guy that's going to run downhill. He's GonNa make those plays is he has athletic Devon Bush No. Es He as dynamic is Devon Bush. Probably not. Is he going to be able to stay on the field for all three downs in never a snap Lake Devon Bush. I don't think so. But Kenny step in in Kennedy a stopgap for the steelers in Ken they have a by committee approach to inside linebacker that's actually going to work. I think yes. Mike Tomlin alluded to this during a press conference on Tuesday he talked about how they have confidence in not just robbers Blaine but they talk about Ulysses Gilbert the third and Marcus Allen in how honestly they have a feeling that they're all going to be asked to do something specific that's going to really hone in on their strengths I mean by that. So Roberts Blaine is a Vince Williams type that. Is Great and run stopping greater on the line of scrimmage, which struggles and coverage. Well, on sub packages they might be bringing Allen and they might be bringing Gilbert in or might bring in one or the other. Maybe you sean data haven't heard his name mentioned yet just throwing it out there. Maybe they used someone like him or maybe bring trail edmonds down into the box they have options but Mike Tomlin. said that they're not expecting Robert splaine to be Devon Bush and he made a very strong point to say, let's not pretend like this is a situation where a as he could grisly. Grisly veteran is being lost Evan Bush. Only in his second year this was his first year with the green dot on his Helmet Roberts bylanes is interview on ready for it. If coach wants to give me that green dot I'll be fine give it to me I love communicating with my teammates my teammates know me they trust me I can do it I love that confidence and a player by the way. But I think when you look at it, also, Tomlin says we to use other players. But what I love that is that he's followed up with. There's no. There's not gonNA be any excuses for not getting the job done. Sure, you can laugh this office coachspeak. You can say this is Tomlin being Tomlin. This is Tomlin just being the wordsmith. Motivating his players through the press conference maybe you're right. But. I'll tell you what I'm not even a player and it gets me fired up. No excuses. They're not gonNA lean on an injury for a reason why they're not gonna go out and execute whoever is called upon splaine. Gilbert Allen. Davis. Edmonds Williams whoever it is does not matter. No excuses you need to get the job done you need execute no excuses. The Standard is the standard. In the Pittsburgh steelers organization. But who is Roberts Bowling Hey company came from the Mac. And Mike Tomlin talked about what he promised szucs a corridors play day they when they went to scout the tackle drafted in the third round and they they liked what they see quote unquote we like our Mac Football Mike Tomlin said. They've got a lot of MAC players Gilbert player I. think There's another guy from the Mac who is that oh? Yeah Ben Rothlisberger. Tomlin though. He says, the broader SPLAINE has continually gotten better since he's been within the walls of the steelers southside facility in playing. In he says that he is going to be the primary man to play inside linebacker for the Pittsburgh steelers and they're going to go with him. Now, how far are they going to go with them? That has yet to be seen. That has I'm not here saying, did I think that Robert Spelane is going to pull a Tyson Ottawa Awalu in? No one is GONNA no. No one's GonNa know who Devon Bushes not saying that at all I'm not saying that at all, you know I'm not saying that at all 'cause I don't think it's going to happen. But what I can say is I do think Roberts Blaine is a smart enough is be good enough in his see savvy enough that he can go in make plays in not be an Achilles heel he'll to a defense that is elite in a top three unit in the National Football League. That's right there. That's the standard and when Mike Tomlin was asked in his press conference coach, how do you describe a complete football team? One of the things that he said was you have to have depth. Another thing was he said you have to have consistency. In, third thing he said was you have to have a high floor meaning. You've to be so good that even on your worst day that worst day is better than a lot of teams best days. That's exactly what robber spilling kind of embodies here. He is great deaf. I think he's going to be a very consistent player. You're GonNa know what he can and can't do right away. But what he can do, he's going to do it. Well, he's going to do it consistently. In on top of that, he's going to develop at four for the steelers defense. It's still is going to be Saturday really really high bar a really high bar. But you know what? There's a lot of people out there. That are wondering. Is Roberts Blaine really the guy that they're gonNA throw out there is this Sean Spence two points l.. Is this John Kasich two point Oh. Are we really to do this. This reminds me a two, thousand, seventeen when Ryan Shazier went down in the entire defense imploded is this really what the steelers are going to do? As of right now. Yes. The answer that as of right now is yes. Whether you like it or not the answer is yes. In Mike, Tomlin is going to go to his grave with the standard is a standard on the casket. I'm not sure if that's literally what he's GonNa do. But in this situation as a coach, he hangs his hat on that statement and he believes that he believes it one hundred percent. Down to. His core. Roberts FLAINE IS GONNA body that I feel I think he's GonNa get the job done i. think fans are going to be pleasantly surprised if he didn't give, you didn't show you enough in week six against the browns. Let's see what he does against Derrick Henry in the titans in week seven. He's GonNa have plenty of opportunities. It's GonNa be fun when we come back after this break. We'll talk about some trades the other side of the coin what if Robert's Blaine doesn't perform well enough what if the steelers want to go looking on the open market? Talk about that. Verizon Jim Five across the country with the coverage five G. Nationwide and and more and more cities. The unprecedented performance of ultra wideband the fastest five G. in world ultra wideband is so fast. You can download an album in seconds, fries and five G. won't just change your phone works it will change how businesses do everything. This is the five G. America's been waiting for only from Verizon, Vijay Ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities by John White available in eighteen plus cities global claim based on open signal independent analysis during the period January thirty first through April thirtieth twenty. Twenty. Pittsburgh. We are back with the second segment in our let's ride Wednesday am podcasts I'm Jeff Hartman Co editor behind a steel curtain dot com with you. In the first segment, we talked all about the standard is a standard. We kinda took a trip down memory lane talking about players like Willie Parker, Indiana, Williams innate Washington Cedrick Wilson One of my favorites morality more the standard has always been the standard of the steelers. Neko's way back before Mike Tomlin became head coach in two, thousand and seven. But again, got me thinking you know with this all stems back to Roberts blame it. All stems back to the man that's going to be at least in week seven tasked with making fans feel comfortable with him at inside linebacker. I. said it Dave Scofield's Brian Anthony Davis said anyone with a microphone in front of their face. Knew that there were two positions, a steelers could not afford have an injury when it came to death. At least on defense. One of them safety because Nigga Fitzpatrick. Terrell. Edmonds one of those tubes down not the best death adding Sean Davis helps we have seen nothing of him yet so far to make us feel like, okay that's a nice insurance policy. On paper it is, but we haven't seen yet. The second was inside linebacker. My Gosh if something happens in Devon Bush, the steelers are screwed. Guess what something Devon Bush are the steelers screwed. I no. I don't know I trust Roberts Blaine, I trust the standard is a standard, but there are a lot of people out there justifiably so. He'd wonder, should the steelers go out and get a look at least look at who's available now if you haven't seen it yet on behind the steel curtain dot com Sunday evening when news broke Adam Schefter and a couple others said. Devin Bush has done. He Tours ACL he's done for the year. When that happened, I talk to Brian Davis Brian is really good at finding certain information on the Internet is Brian I need you to give me a list of players that are on the open market that are inside linebackers as soon as you can and he did that and Michael Beck, he held the deputy editor of Vines Steel Curtain Dot Com he helped. Out as well and I put together an article basically saying here are the free agent linebacker out there says I'm writing the article I finished job in none of the names inspire any type of confidence whatsoever. There's a couple noticeable names Michael Kendricks he's not going to be around because of insider trading Manai, Tayo just because he's a name remember Notre Dame even though he just got signed to the I think Chicago bears. Practice. Squad. In. The last name on the list was vaunt has perfect. and. I believe that I wrote his name in the article but you kind of have to because, no, one would ever say devante `perfect is not a talented football player Vaughn says, birthday is a piece of trash as a human being in playing football. But when it came to talent, there is always been talent. They're somewhat say that when he wasn't getting in his own way, he was considered one of the best inside linebackers in the National Football League problem is he could never get out of his own way and says, I finish up this article and thinking I don't like the thought of the steelers wasting money on any of these guys none of them. I mean none of them. Why? Because I didn't think that any of them, he donor system who have never played with any of the players within that system before would be able to come in and be better than Roberts Plane Ulysses Gilbert the third Andrew Marcus Allen period. Until for me, I really thought I. Mean there were well over one hundred comments on this article on behind the steel curtain but. I couldn't wrap my head around them possibly going out and signing. One of these guys could day sure will they I don't think so but you know what? What about a trade? That's different That's a different story. because. The November it's crazy to the trade deadline is November third election day it's going to be a crazy day for everyone would regardless of which side of the fence reside and the NFL trade deadline the NFL in the past few years the trade deadline is kind of turned into an NBA NHL Major League. Baseball. Trade. Deadline a boring day. The day would come the day would. Go and. Say Well. What's up with the NFL? They don't even trade anybody on their deadline. Well, that's changed the past few years in a lot of trades have been made and there's a lot of people wondering maybe a position like wide receiver or running back or the steelers have some really good depth maybe they could say. We could trade somebody. All right. You want to make a trade. We need some why we need a linebacker you need to receiver or you need a running back. Able. Make a deal. The steelers have been willing to trade in the past and they traded you think about Gerald Hawkins last year before the season trade them to Tampa Bay now he winds his way back up in. Pittsburgh this year after Zach banner goes down with an ACO after week one I mean they've made all the time they traded Joshua Dobbs away and he came back. That's kind of funny when you think about it as I think about the most reason trades, they made obviously make if it's Patrick was a big name trade. I don't think they're going to do that. But at the same time, could they make one of those lower level traits? I think maybe it's a possibility I'm going to actually to say in regards to inside linebacker. I just don't see him doing. I'm sorry. That might disappoint a lot of people. They might even if you're sitting there thinking great, just GonNa run through these trade these trade scenarios in who they should trade and how much they should give up and should they give away draft picks and all that stuff I'm just not going to do it. Because I don't think they're going to do it I don't think the Pittsburgh steelers are going to make trade in. Here's why. I is money. It always comes back to money. No one knows what the salary cap and twenty twenty one is going to be. We do know how much money they're probably GONNA lose this season as an NFL entity. With no fans and seats. So we know they're GONNA lose money. We know that there's a floor that the salary cap will not go below. But even if it goes to that floor, which I believe is one, hundred, seventy, five, million right now I believe that the salary cap is run one, hundred, Ninety, eight, million could be wrong. Apologize if I am. If they drop down to one, seventy five. The steelers are bellied up to the cap already are in salary cap hell. But it goes up. That's a different story. But no, one can say with any certainty after this cove nineteen pandemic and the covid nineteen season that. Anyone because it used to be even up until this year while it's going to go up, it goes up every year. Yeah. Sorry caps can we go go about ten million bucks so we know that they're going to go up ten million bucks. We're going to have some role over. We're going to get the extra cushion. We might cut a few players been. We asked him salary cap space that. Necessarily, the case this year. So now you're looking at okay with what money are we going to bring anyone in? So, are you going to trade? For a player who's in the last year of his contract get them for one year and then say right buddy. Good luck free agency maybe. But that player better be a proven player that player better be someone that fans may know in be can play. You Trade. For some secondhand linebacker from the Jacksonville. Jaguars and people are going to say you got to be kidding me. However if you trade for someone like Miles Jack. That's a name people know that name and they're gonNa say this guy can play. We've seen him play. He's played well against Pittsburgh before who forgets doesn't seventeen I don't. AFC divisional round. Miles Jack was on that team the Jacksonville Jaguars. In so I don't think they're gonNA make that deal because even player like miles Jackson cost money. So unless there's a team like the New York jets who are literally selling everything including their soul. At this point in time. There's going to say we'll eat some of the contract will eat them the contract just to get out of here take him. Maybe. But again, if you're willing if the team is willing to do that. kind of value does he bring to your team? You know thinking about when Antonio Brown was literally drawing his way out of town. No one. Wanted him right away. And finally, the Oakland Raiders, gave third and fifth for the Best Wide Receiver in the game at that time. So, trades. One's trading away a hot commodity they're trading away someone that has a bad contract trading way someone that they don't think is good anymore into then you're looking at it reclamation project looking at taking on what you don't have money it. All comes back to money. But. There's more to it than just money. That's the number one. Number two I would say is their current depth. I like their current death. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I could be back here on. Monday. After Robert SPLAYING it's by Derrick Henry, ulysses. Gilbert the third doesn't know what he's doing on the field in Marcus Allen doesn't even see if you on defense and I'm saying I it's eighty you all listen folks I'm sorry. I was wrong. I was so wrong. I could say that I could have to say that but on the flip side of that Choline, I could also say Did you see Robert Spelane takedown Derrick Henry did you see that defense not miss a beat? Did you see Elizabeth Gilbert showing that athletics that athleticism that fans were so enamored with in training? Camp? Could also be saying that in which case, my second point here would be absolutely correct I like the steelers current death I do. I like it a lot. I think this this linebacking core although not known nationally. Should bring some comfort to people. Locally. And when I say local talking about steeler fans not necessarily that you have to live in the four one, two area code. I like the current debt I could be wrong but I like the current death and I think the steelers like the current depth in. That's the second reason why don't they would make a move on that November for their trade line trade deadline or before? I do WANNA say. That could they bring in someone from someone's practice squad? That's a different story that's not a trade. Okay, that's not a trade that someone that has been in camps that has been playing been active. That's a different story. This is about a trade. Just want to preface at a third point. I don't think they're gonNA make. Trade. Because I don't think well, obviously I mean, Devon, Bush is only the second year and it got cut short the hill recover once he goes through surgery if everything goes well you know there's no infection everything went well, they were able to repair the ligaments. He's GonNa Start about a nine month journey to Rehab if there's a silver lining in this cloud, is that this injury occurred when it did? meaning. This injury occurred in week six in not week sixteen. Weeks sixteen knee injuries turn into eastern this training camp. Next year you're maybe starting the year on pup physically unable to perform. That's not going to be the case with him. He'll get his nine month rehab. He'll be ready to go for training camp next year that's a silver lining, but he's going to be going into year three and twenty, twenty one. So, I don't think the steelers are gonNA WANNA trade anyone unless it's for that just one year unless it's someone that they're just they just want him for this year. They're not going to trade anyone that has multiple years in their contract because why would they need them? Unless they're thinking, they're going to replace Vince Williams as well. There's so many different caveats. There's so many different variables hearing this equation. Each time I dive in one of these rabbit holes I keep coming back out eventually and saying I just don't see the steelers doing this Devon. Bush's still young player. You know he he's not washed up. He's not a veteran think back to Lawrence Timmons is final few years in Pittsburgh you see ill, they lost a step a just wasn't the same player. This guy is not going to be he's GonNa come back he's GonNa be fine if people think that you know, Devin? Bush isn't gonNA look like Devin Bush because he has a tornado Seattle, you have no idea about the wonders that are. These surgeons now than in the work that they do not only these players coming back faster the coming back equally is as fast and agile nf lead as they were prior to the surgery. So for Devon Bush I look at him as a young player I don't think they trade anyone unless it is for that one year ago one year rental player. You see it in hockey and in baseball the time. STRETCH RUN WE'RE GONNA go out and get that closer or we're GONNA go trade for that. Forward. WHO's GonNa? Finish. Top six on the hockey team. You see it all the time in basketball to the. That's the only reason I could see the steelers trading anything away at the deadline and even then because of all those things that I already said the money, the depth they have on the team in the fact that Bush's a young player in an up and coming player, he's GonNa recover he's going to rehab I don't see the making that move. So again, I'm sorry if you were listening to the end of that first segment thinking all great, just GonNa really dive into some trade centers. I love that stuff it's just not my forte. It's because I don't think it's the steelers forte either I do want to reference you to to an article that published on Tuesday afternoon on behind the curtain dot com Michael Beck did go into some of those trade targets any talked about it at length in the written word. 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Episode 075: Veteran Integration Expedition

The EVRYMAN Podcast

1:37:27 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 075: Veteran Integration Expedition

"This is the every man podcast and this episode seventy five there have been a handful of these podcasts in the past year and a half or couple years that we've been doing this that really have struck me as something truly helpful sub to truly good something. I feel really deeply proud of sharing. One of those was an early conversation with my wife as metoo was really launching onto the scene, and it was a really intimate and very vulnerable conversation that we had together. Another one was with my father after he came to an open source retreat with me last year and on both of those occasions. There was something wildly impactful for me personally that was the first part. There was something real very hairy. Very healing very important something that truly changed my life or was in the process of changing my life, and it also had resonance with something bigger. And it's in those moments in those experiences that. I'm finding a true sober and subtle and powerful sense of purpose into feels in these moments. There's something that may be of real value. And today's podcast is a reunion of sorts. It's a reunion of the men who went on the very first every man veteran, integration expedition. This was last year. This was led partially by myself. But mostly by Aaron Blaine, our director veteran integration. And he's been on the podcast before if you follow us, you have certainly heard his voice before but joining him today on the show are seven other guys, and this comprised the majority of the men who went on that first track and just to outline it really quick. You'll get more of this in a second from Erin. But what it was was a project that was conceived based upon the relationship that Aaron and I had as he joined my every man group in bozeman Montana. Couple years. Ago. And it was a a friendship grew from this and working relationship grew from this and the bottom line was this as a special forces veteran coming back into the civilian world Aaron found a lot of what he needed in the group in the group dynamic a lot of the accountability. The support the recognition all of the things that really helped him find himself in this new place. He got that what I got in return was a massive validation of this project. I was launching. It was being looked squaring. The I by a man, I'd really deeply inherently respected as he said what you're doing is good. And in helps people, and it was a really important thing and still remains to be a really important thing. So we launched this veteran integration operation within every man which aims to bring veterans and non veterans together for true, deep, honest, experiences of each other. And last year, we did the first one and. And Erin led a group of men through Yellowstone National Park in the wilderness, and what is going to follow. In this episode is a true to life recounting of some of the very deep experiences that happened there from the men themselves. This is the first podcast we've done in group format. I'm pretty excited about that. I love doing individual interviews and conversations on this podcast. But this group format is truly more in alignment with what every man truly is at its core. And so I invite you to listen to the words of these men, the experiences of these men, and I I'm very excited about because again here it's not just about these men. It's not just about their lives. But what this leans into is an actual living example that is literally working out some of the largest issues. I see in our culture right now in terms of masculinity. In terms of what it means to be a man about how we either need to be tougher or we need to be less tough in this entire cultural conversation that is. This loud blasting crazy squawking. This is men who are stepping into it to come out the other side with a deeper understanding of each other from disparate lifestyles and very very proud to share this. And before we dive in all the way, I want wanna share that. Our next open source retreat is in Logan, Ohio that central Ohio it's coming up in three weeks. And it's the second weekend of March. We have a handful of spots left there. We have more open source retreats coming up on the east coast and the west coast of the berkshires there's one coming up in April and for west coast guys or guys who just wanted to go to the desert. We have one in Joshua tree. At the very end of may. I would love to see you and meet you at any of these events. And yes, we have more expeditions this summer, we have two regular wilderness, expeditions. And then we have our next veteran, integration expedition. Also, you can find all of this on every man dot com. E R Y M A, N dot com and the. Veteran integration is a unique opportunity for men who have served and for men who have not served in our military. The veterans on this trip are not asked to purchase their ticket. The non veterans who choose to come on this trip part of their ticket price goes to covering the costs of one of the veterans. It's like a Tom shoes deal. It's like come do this, and you will support veteran, and I want to highlight to that. This isn't just to help veterans. It's also a massive benefit and boost to non veterans as well. So check it out. There's more details online and with that. Here comes the show. All right. Well, let's just get going here. So we I'm here with this is actually pretty exciting for me. This is our largest roster of any podcast we've done so far. There are eight of us on here. And this is the majority of the crew. Well, how many guys are we missing? This is the majority of the crew that were on the very first ever. Every man veteran integration expedition in Yellowstone knack last summer. I got to spend the first night and a half or the first day in half with this crew. And I'm here with Aaron Aaron why don't you? Why don't you just give like a thumbnail of what the program was the intentions behind it? And then what will do next is give everybody opportunities to quickly introduce themselves end for everybody listening. This is day in this. It's cool for me to do this for us to do this because this mirrors and mimics what happens in our groups, at least to a certain extent. And having this many voices on a podcast is interesting in cool for Mason might be something we do more of but. Yeah, Aaron why don't you just you know, and I we've talked a little bit about it. We did a podcast before the expedition. We've talked about a little bit on other shows. But once you give just the thumb now. So yeah. From from my experience with the group in every man up until last summer on I had realized that I wanted to incorporate on a situation where I mixed veterans in non veterans in a setting. Together to to share each other's experiences to share each other. It's hurts their victories their lives, and and really just beyond the same level together in scenario specifically in the in the backyard of Montana and Yellowstone National Park. And yeah, the experience for me coming out of the military really began when I got introduced to my mens group in bozeman. And I was just completely welcomed home by my community. And I'd rack my brain for quite some time on how I would basically have an accelerated time line of that for an event or how to incorporate this type of work into the veteran community, and it just clicked one day when Dan, Dan, and I were sitting there having coffee, and I was like, wow, what we could do is just, you know, combined veterans and non veterans and stick with the every man, you know, principles and protocol. Go out into the woods for burn expedition. And I just started putting it together then and. Yeah. Made it happen in July. Cool. And so what I'm going to sort of set up as the theme here is that there's sure to conversations that I'm primarily interested in here. And wherever they go is great. But the first one is the individual benefits and take away. And so so what happened here on an individual level? Right. So both for veterans. But also, the not veterans like what was this experience of, you know, having disparate backgrounds that might or might not be understood up front. What was the experience of really coming together? And then also is this larger societal level conversation, which is really the same. But is how do we create connection communication in actual, you know, trust in community between populations that feel that they don't have either not a lot in common or not enough in common or how do we make those bridges, and so that's sort of a larger conversation. That can be parlayed into. I mean, you name it racial or political or just any cultural differences that tend to separate people that something that's a believe is, you know, a beautiful aspect of this conversation. So with that as the setup Mets, each take twenty seconds to check in and would just share your name, and where you're sitting and then just like a very brief thumbnail on your on where you came from and your pass so sort of veteran non veteran, let's identify that. So Dan checking in I'm in my garage wearing short shorts and it's cold. And I am not a veteran. Who's next? Yeah. This is Aaron checking in the big fork Montana. I'm all in my laundry room. And I'm just really proud to first of all have this podcast happening. And then to see all of you be involved really lights me up and makes me happy. So thanks for thanks for showing up. And I am a veteran of the special forces. And I'm hearing I'm in. I'll go names Tony Weber born and raised in Columbus. Ohio Ohio now southern south west southwestern, Ohio, actually, I'm a former marine which was probably my most formidable years from eighteen to twenty four then like, Aaron I. Joined special forces, and yeah, I'm here. A man, and let's do this awesome. This is Q Quinton checking in from San Diego in my living room. I am civilian. I was an athlete from age seven three. Football in college. And I've got connected to the script just through camaraderie, welcoming back to that come rodri- of brother owned the team Amazon that right now filling excited energized, I feel buzzing around my neck, and my shoulders and had to be here. Cool. All right. I'll go quick so Travis burner currently sitting in my bedroom in Prescott Arizona and super excited to see all you guys. I don't think I've seen a lot of these faces other than Tony in Aaron since the trip, really. Also veteran former air force special operations combat controller I was actually attached with Anthony Tony wherever there this last talked or before you and like is that I'm just excited. I'm ready to get this thing going. I'm here in. Awesome. I guess I can go next. This is Tim checking in I'm sitting in my car and sell Florida, and I'm excited to be reconnecting the few guys next edition. I am a civilian and I'm hearing them in. Go. Is last Andrew Kippen checking in from just outside my laundry room, and Brooklyn, New York. I am a civilian I work on the everyman team, and then do hypnotherapy and consulting on the side. Feeling lit up to see how these guys faces feeling a lot of love and connection. Wishing that we were in person. So so that we could really hang and I'm here in a moment. Cool, man. Thank you are left. Looks got. It is a matter of all skiffs checking in I grew up in Pennsylvania for about twenty years was in the military for eleven and a half also US army special forces and right now, I am in my kitchen slash living room in Olympia, Washington, really excited to beyond and talk. And it's it's really great to see all you guys again. It's you know, it's been some time. But I feel that friendship connection. Very cool. All right. So air. I'm throw it back over to you for a second to just outline the actual expedition a little bit logistically like just what like the plan the seven day plan. Just so people have just a little bit idea. And then I'll let you lead us into what kind of came up before the call was sort of a moment or a series of moments on the trip that might have might have really kinda driven right to the heart of a of the the impact or the potential impact of what we're doing. So I'll let you just sort of lead us into that. And then we'll just open this up into roundtable discussion in and again, just like we do on our trips or groups, I'm gonna just really invite or challenge all you guys here to you know, if you're feeling something that it's a little scary to share or little on the edge of just gonna you know, if just go for it, and let's go right to the heart of things. So why don't you set it up? Yes. So the core of the trip was you know, basically a four day forty mile trip Yellowstone National Park with all of our camp on our backs and. From west Yellowstone all the way into gardener at the beginning of the trip. We have a about a one and a half day introduction where we all hang out in a year on the Ellison river and make tacos and hang out and really get to know each other prior to, you know, heading into the woods together. And you know, from what Dan Anna experience on our very first expedition that was probably the most important aspect of the trip was to to really seal in the deal, and, you know, get everybody on the same page, and this to me, you know, being in that you're on the Ellison river was super impactful for me this. I saw my two worlds colliding and it felt scary fell. Awesome. You know, I saw guys I work with people that have never served in the military just really diving in with guys that you know, I spent time in in service with than. Yeah. I I don't think I really feel that it had began until I didn't really prepare myself for it. I guess until all the sudden everyone was there. And then I was scared shitless. But it also was a a really amazing feeling, and it was just not really in my hands from there. So we walked we walked through the park and came out the other side and had a big meal together and went and did a a sweat lodge ceremony in lenox than and that would to me it was like the cherry on top of the trip. And yeah, so that that was the the trip in nutshell, and it was everything that I had really dreamed actually, maybe even more. Awesome. So Aaron you can do it or somebody else wants you to sort of what you t up the that. I I guess I'm not sure which day of the trip. So you know, I was there for the first couple nights. I didn't go on the hike, but things kind of came to a head fairly quickly on the hike in Aaron if you wanna do it if somebody else wants to dive in this just open it up guys. Yeah. Wants to do it. I mean, I I was there. But I would love to hear from someone else's perspective. What it looked like? I mean, I I don't mind I'd like to say say say your name when you start talking about can you? There's a Tony speaking. Now, sure area. This is Tony speaking. And I definitely like to hear Andrews wouldn't be too. But basically he was. Just a a difference. Probably the most polar opposite people if you're just looking on the exterior. Personality wise, background wise, all the stuff and just seems like polar opposite people, you know, and. And we ran into a situation where somebody had felt uncomfortable about, you know, something else that somebody else had said, and they weren't necessarily, you know, coming after after that person's all actually they were not coming after that person. They were just stating a fact that. At they felt they felt a shame that they had said something earlier and. It kind of was taken taken out of context and. And couldn't turn it into something bad, and, you know, physical altercation. You know who knows? But I think it was what was so beautiful about it. And I'm so glad that happened was that I said to two people from opposite worlds would probably different beliefs about ninety percent of, you know, white in general have have an argument or not saying argh, but just have, you know, a heated heated issue or heated discussion like that. And the fact that. I mean, there was a little bit of help from you know, a couple of people there to you know, trying to come situation down. But really really it was it was calmed down by those two. And I'm pretty sure there was hugs and stuff given between those two later on. And it was just a something. Awesome. Something so awesome to see. And I think that that's what we're lacking in society right now, these, you know, it's it's just feels like there's just a polarization. It's just pulling people apart. It's Hugh necessary just to but just all these different directions. And it's it seems like no one. You don't have had these conversations not even willing to have these conversations. And that's what that's the shame. Can I try to make it super blunt? And and you guys tell me if this is right, Ed, so Tony what I'm hearing is, you know, imagining, you know, ten dudes on trail in Yellowstone one who's a, you know, special forces operator one who's a hypnotherapist. There's there's sort of a very big difference in personality, and sort of norms in terms of communication, and and sort of content of communication, and it caused a rift in escalated in could have come to a fight or Throwdown or something like that. And what I'm hearing is that there was something unique hap- there is that fairly did I encapsulate that about right now? No. Yeah. You you. You summarize perfectly. I wish I would summarize it like you did. It's my job. It's what I do. So. But no. Andrew Andrew were speaking about Andrew. So what do I don't you? If once you just lean into the chairman. Because this is again just to put a little bit more frame on it here. This is this is a. We're getting toward like a very specific example of the type of bridges that that were built. And I think, you know, Tony what I like that you're saying so much is we're saying that listen, if if like these two individuals could build a bridge between each other there's something here there's something to pay attention to so Andrew achieve launch, man. Yeah. And it's it's it's really great ear. Tony talk about it in just remember some of the things that came up. For me. I was. I've been doing therapeutic work for a while. I have a lot of tools in my tool set. There's also still ways that I don't show up in my life in the way that I want to and something got got shared that I found in that was that was just meant to be a joke in passing and it it escalated and it. You know, I I could have easily said something in the moment. And I didn't. And really what I was taking ownership of was just saying man like I was shamed. That I didn't speak up for. For myself in that moment, and then that kind of turn into the other guy feeling. I could see felt attacked and I wasn't attacking him. You know, I of try to approach that situation with a lot of compassion for him. And understanding he was just joking that I needed to share a little bit about why this was such a serious issue for me. Hey, Andrew pause for a second because I just had like a lightning bolt strikes. And guys you tell me if this is right or not. But are we talking about an in the moment sort of snowflake moment, where's somebody got their feelings hurt? And the other person knows it's not not that. Okay. All right. This is this is Tony. And just so we don't I don't want to like we were saying we don't need to go into specifics or anything. But it's a it's basically a locker room talk thing that that is normal for normal for military guys do and I mean, it's it's similar to you know, Camille. Indian saying something on stage. They don't really believe that whatever, you know, they're saying that people will see offended taken out of context. And that you think you know, it's it's not that at all. And, but what was about what was said is something that hit really really deep into, you know, the the life experiences of you know, someone and so that so it's not a joke to them. And but again, it wasn't it wasn't an attack at all. I think I think that was that was actually the confusing part for the other guy because he was he was like ready to throw down in like, hey, you know, like if you got a problem with me said to my face, and I was like, I don't have a problem with you. I understand exactly what you were doing. And I'm just sharing my lived experience of what you discussed in. It's not a joking matter to me and Aaron did a really nice job. Because for me in that moment. I'm I'm fully like lit up. I'm triggered. You know, I have a lot of resources, but they're shrinking as I'm talking about this in Aaron did amazing job of just holding the container holding that space for us to come to unagreed -ment and an understanding of of what address buyer and as Tony said at the end of the night. You know, the other guy apologized to me the next morning. He came up give me a hug and was like, hey, man. I just wanna let you know. I had some time to think about this. And I'm so sorry, if I said anything that offended you and just wanna make sure that we're all good. Then it was like. Yeah. Like, absolutely. And I felt like that was a that conversation for me was a tipping point in the trip because it showed how safe we all were even in disagreement, even in like, you know, this heated argument that that could have exploded like we did a great job of just creating. Safety in that place. Absolutely. This is. This is Travis speaking, I was just gonna say absolutely at that moment that night where the conversation is heated and the energy level kept getting a little higher and higher. I agree with you. Erin, he kinda set. He set the foundation to to help us work this thing through and that was the first moment. I really realized what every man really means. You know, we have these two completely different people where in any other situation most likely it could of ended in something really bad a fi, you know, whatever and it didn't. And that was the first time I saw these two opposite people can come together work through this together, which is a little bit of guidance and come out in the end with just a better understanding of how each other operates, and then you can take that further onto other people and then start and then start working, otherwise working through different problems. So to me that was the first time that every man really hit me. And I was like man this, you know, this is something here, we can all we can all get together have fun work through our problems and not escalated to a level where it never never needs to be escalated to. Yep. What did you? I would love to hear what Travis what did you see Aaron do or you know, experiencing that if you could just name as simply as possible what made that what made it possible. Like what was created? What was done? Yeah. I can make it real simple. What I saw was just a true leader. We know Aaron came out just like he like, we all know he has throughout his military experience. He's a great leader. He stepped up he took the energy level back down a little bit set the precedence and everything just wants moved from there. So I would just say, you know, it just takes a strong leader to step up and say something. This is this is Quentin. I'd think I think I come a little bit from errands perspectives. When I think Erin for lack of a better term was kind of mediator in the situation. And I don't think he you know, he signed up for that. But I can feel the I felt for him in that moment because I too have a connection to the real world in civilian life. And I also have a connection to what I consider, you know, not not a military background. But you know, as as close as I. Get to without being military, and how that locker room talk does not shed light over into the real world in a lot of ways. And I was triggered by a lot of it. And I shared a lot of both guys perspectives. So I admire the way that's Andrew handle it. I really admire the way that that Aaron handle it. I knew you know, the the the the other guy we're not name course was triggered. And I'm really proud of the way that he turned it around. So I'm just gonna just to again to I'll just can insert a frame in. I'm gonna keep my voice out of this as much as possible. But what what I hear. We're talking about here to apply to a bigger picture in some ways has a lot to do with the the larger discourse on men and masculinity in our culture, which is you know, one stereotypical up one polar. View of of some men would be insensitive aggressive of old old fashioned hurtful, right like your fucking the world up with your locker room talk. Right. That's a that's I'm just making. It stereotype the other end would be you soft weakling with all your feelings, and you're trying to just be everybody's friend. And so what we're really talking about. Here is is a real life engagement and interaction to a middle point here that seems very natural. So I just wanna if anybody disagrees with that police say, so, but I feel like that's kind of some of the that's what I'm hearing. It seems some of the deeper impact here, and Tony you had something you wanna say or not yet yet. No. I'll hit on what you just we just asked to. And and yeah, actually, my first my first reaction. And I and I think I I haven't talked about this, really. But I kind of instigated this interaction a little bit. Because when Andrew had started talking, and you know, telling how he's how he's feeling feeling. You know shamed. That he didn't say something at the time. And then he held it in. He didn't say he hasn't said yet what he was talking about. And I was completely joking around. And I looked up at a that said, you know, the other person and just kind of looked up out of and gave him a head like a head shake like what did you? Around. And I had no idea what was about to come out. So that was definitely you know, my my bad on that. But yes, at first I'll be completely honest with you guys Andrew, especially at first I was like man's really like a snowflake tight moment. Like come on, man. I it's a bunch of sponsored dudes like. When we were we got into that van. I remember Travis specifically saying like how just just how excited everyone was especially the veterans. That's where I saw the most. It was like we were all back together. Travis was even talking about how this was the exact team type of thing they would do hack into a van all their gear in the back out to training. And he just felt like he's back on teams. And and it was great and stuff. But. That's the that's the thing is that. No, not being aware of our environment. And I was part of a too. I was joking around and saying saying dumb things too. And I remember specifically point where my heart sank while we were in the band during some of that joking stuff. And I look back for you. Dan, Doty look back for you. And was like a fuck. Thank God dance, not here. And. Like, I like, I would have been the moral police. No, no, no. No. No, no. It's not. It's not that. It's that. It's it was that. It would have been it would have been absolutely offensive to you. And the things that things that I would saying and that we were joking around about. And I look I was like oh my God. What are you doing pay attention to where you are? You know? I mean, I wish you were there. But I was glad you weren't there. Dan point. So let me ask you, Dan. Remember the experience that you had with another special operations guy that came to our group and had texted use and things on your phone. And and for me when when I was in that experience, I was on the Faulker of being like, hey, I know this guy's joking. And guess what? Dan, doesn't think Dink? It's funny. So I believe in my projection that Tony what Tony's talking about could could have been very similar to that situation. And that's no. Makes all the sense. Just just to be specific about that. We had a dude coming into visit our group, and I didn't know his phone number in. He sent me a series of texts pretending to be a prostitute. Asking where I was to see if like and like I saw this on my phone. You know, pretty damn sure it was a joke. But having no idea where it came from scared shitless that my wife would see this. And so he showed up, and yeah, I fucking late into him. Because that was not cool. You're right. Like, Dan note, his life, totally not cool to send me messages, pretending you're prostitute. Like, totally not cool. So just to be specific about what that was. And one thing I want to also add, and I I think it's also important to paint the picture. So like, I'm six foot three hundred ninety pounds the other. This is Andrew the other guy was six five six four probably had fifty pounds of pure muscle on me. And so in that moment, I'm like full men, whereas is gonna go. And I just knew from all of my training at every man like my only job was just to speak to what I was feeling and not to attack not to make it about the other guys not needing to change them. But just saying like, this is one of feeling in this is what I want, and I credit every man with with just having that kind of like drilled into me at this point to keep me safe and make sure that they didn't feel attacked you know, that I that I wasn't with that energy attacking them, regardless of how it felt. In Andrew this is Tony nanjiani did a phenomenal job. Like, you said you did just as good of a job, you know, mediating your own situation. You know, you know, as Aaron did too. And it was just a beautiful thing to see. And like I said to get that into society. I think would just be so absolutely huge. And just get people talking get them off the internet, and you know, behind their behind there and the safety of their computers, and whatever screening they pick and actually have these physical human, interactions and talk. I mean, it's so much so much different than a just an online talk. But Dan, the one thing I wanted to hit on was is the fact that we're also talking about t b I here. So dramatic traumatic brain injury. And you know, this is definitely something. That's come come to light big time on the last ten years, or so you hear it on Rogan all the time talking about stuff, and you know, one of the things is is is anger and an outburst, and you know, feeling defensive and alone and stuff like that. And that was actually one thing that, and I don't know. I don't know of Aaron maybe you can speak on this. But that's one of the things that we will veterans. Yes, I knew you knew you're doing that. As far as veterans, you know, like myself, I had PTSD I'm going through TB treatment right now and all the other vets including including the Aaron, you know, we've all had dramatic brain injuries. But also the the civilian side the non vets I mean talking about. Athletes that have had multiple TV is I know Quinton. I mean, that's a that's what Clinton wants to, you know, dedicate dedicate his life to is. You know, researching stuff in finding out new ways to prevent the and that was another connection that was absolutely huge. You know, like, you're the T. I thing is is just all over the place. I mean from like, I said the sports sports world from you know, playing pee wee football. You know? I was running as hard as like hitting people with my head. You know, when I was in fourth grade, and then, you know, going into the military and stuff, and you have all these micro TV is and stuff like that. But that was a huge thing that we had in common. So Aaron I'm just wondering if that was one of the things that you had looked for as far as the the non vets a couple. Hey before before before we take that all the way on her. And I wanna I wanna just keep a sort of a through line here. Well, let's we'll get to that. But what I'm hearing. You say Tony is that that was one of the commonalities that was easily found between the vets and the non bets, and we can speak to that in a second. But before we jump to that. I wanna I wanna I wanna kind of push us through this exact conversation that we're having and see if we have clarity in sort of final down because again to reframe what what I'm really seeing here is that the the cultural norms of, you know, different populations interacting here. So whether it's, you know, Tony you look back in the van and being glad I wasn't there because I probably wouldn't be easily comfortable with what you were talking about. And that's in some sense. What happened to Andrew as well? Right. So there's two very different ways of talking in being with each other. And we we. We can project that onto the national screen here. And saying that there's this maim that Erin sent me like two weeks ago, and basically said toxic masculinity. What's keeping of snowflake pussies safe for three hundred years or whatever? Right. And so so I think just to be really blunt and upfront about that stuff. That's that's what we're saying here. And that I think this is actually one of the more important conversations. That's can be had right now is the fact that, you know, all of that can live inside of one small group of ten guys. And in a very very short amount of time can not only be understood and seen in respected, but the like literally worked through appreciated where everybody's learning and healing and figuring the fuck out. So, you know, the bigger question is here nationally, how do we do what you guys did in Yellowstone in a couple of days? So let's stay there before we get to the TBI. And I get that's a big part because there's a lot of other things. But. I don't know either Andrew or Erin, or you know, Matt's. You haven't spoken up for a while. That's talk a little bit more about the actual movement from holy shit were so different. And we can't get along to you know, giving hugs and true that just like being okay? Because that's what I'm hearing to. This wasn't just like a week and hang out for the rest of the time. It's like holy shit. I learned something. So let's talk about that. What was learned? Well, and also that we're bonded like we we made it through that. And now now I feel close to you. I feel safe with you. Yeah. I was actually really happy that that situation occurred so early on because first of all I could feel it happening. I could I felt like I was on a Faulker between the two veterans and non veterans here. I am hosting this expedition leading it through the park. And so first of all I could feel it happening. I had sidebar conversations look guys through. Route the first day, and I knew something was coming to ahead. And then Tony I heard you say that you instigate it. But what I really felt like you did was that you cut through all of the crap. And you just put it all able and said this is actually what's happening. Even if you did it by accident, you you did it. And then I heard a lot of people saying, hey, Erin did a good job. Andrew did a good job. But what I believe happened is that the group that are really good job of all being there through the whole experience with every with Andrew and the other individual through the whole thing like seeing it through from the very beginning through the entire end as what I see the gold and the entire experience there. And then from there on out like Anderson, we were almost completely bonded. I mean, it was that was like everybody broke through this giant barrier towards the end of that evening. Okay. So I'm going to keep pushing I want to hear the very specifics of the moments of. So here's what I heard. So Andrew spoke up you said. You were not comfortable with something. That was a big deal to you it caused a flare up and some some sort of like a moment of conflict the group held their ground. Right. The group kept everybody stayed president showed up with it. And you know, I'm guessing with the core. Like what we do at. Every man is is we we just simply say, hey, feel what the hell you're feeling feel it all the way and just speak directly from that place. And so, you know, what was the moment of transition and maybe already shared it, Andrew. But if there's any more actual details here, I think this is very important to slow down and get very granular with this. Because this is the moment that this is the action that I feel is the hardest part. It's the sticking with it as things feel like it's fucking chaotic. So anybody can speak up, but what was actually done in in those moments. I mean, I I the thing that immediately jumps out for me is that there were moments where I just didn't know what was going to happen next. Right. Like, I knew I had to say something. And then I was like I have no fucking clue how this is going to be received. But I have to speak to that. And then, you know, there are moments where I'm just like, I think I had my head in my hands. And I was like I have no clue what to do next have no clue how to resolve this. And that's where the group stepped in and people like Tony people like, Erin. People like Travis took the risk to speak up. And either clarify or like helped move the dialogue along or offer. A different perspective. And that made all the difference. Like just knowing that we were all they're working through it together. Created safety for me to be in that place and not no. In. This is Tim if I could jump in really quick with that. That moment of conflict for me gave me some tools to understand how to deal with that type of conflict because I didn't know where it was going to go and in my personal life being hockey player in our sport when conflict happens like that you dropped closing you fight. So after playing hockey for so many years going out into the real world when that type of conflict came up. I didn't have the tools to really understand how to deal with it and a necessarily didn't wanna fight and we can talk about the TV. I about that. But that's really what it gives me. The tools understand that. Hey this. It doesn't always have to end up end up in fight fistfight. You can come to resolution with it. And yeah, it just really gave me the understanding of guys getting together. And and so Tim what are those tools speak about those specifically? Well, I think it's it is slowing down. And just really trying to understand where the president is coming from. Maybe why Bela person is saying that. In a think Indra mentioned that he was upset that he didn't address it at the beginning in health onto it and not is something that I've done in my personal life. I've very really have spoken up. When I get a friend in life that or something affects me like that. I don't say anything because I feel like it's going to end up in that physical confrontation. And I do not want to go there. And it's not to say that I'm not I mean. I'm not a fighter. I am a fighter but not not way anymore. So that I think that was the main tool, and I find myself when I left that expedition now in my heavy deal is a male to have much more genuine connections with other men in even if it's a minor minor conflict. It's if it's different if it's if it's a difference between chocolate ice cream and vanilla ice cream. I can sell how that conversation or is it as big as the conflict that we had out there. So that's how it has helped me tremendously. Freed me and has given me the ability to to speak up. Into how a phone day should into have principals to have integrity. And just to go on living like that is at the age of forty seven. It's been holding onto that for so long has been absolutely tremendous tremendous. So. It wasn't good to see that type of conflict. But it was great to see that conflict. And I was just amazed at how everyone handle it. How we all handle it. Now, we came out of it. And. It was absolutely wonderful. I think we need to have more on that in. LX? So. Yeah. Against your question. Perfect, man. Thank you. And I totally agree with him like that situation out. There did not have to happen. But it did. So let's make the best of it. Right. And so happen and we worked through it. And I think each other. Yeah. I just learned something really quick on how to handle these situations out in real life from that. And just Lena. What you said last androids too was that it wasn't just like, okay, we're cool. Now, we can coexist, but it truly truly moved to a place of real like supportive connection. Right. So and once you what's what did that tell me about the transition to that? Because I think that's like the extra thing here is not just like, okay, guys. Go back to your corners of the ring. And you know, you're not going to beat the shit out of each other. And but it's it's it's it's actually a much bigger step than just that yet. Can I can I maybe speak to a little bit light perspective is what I? I saw is the the individual that we're talking about an Andrew, you know, the the individual that Andrew had the confrontation was was really held back from the very beginning of the trip, and he seemed to share less, and to you know, seem to just kind of have a guard up. And when that experience when that situation unraveled, I swear from their own out. It was like he saw the care that we all had for him. No matter what no matter what it was no matter who it was from he received care in perspective from so many guys in that circle that he was able to come out of his shell. He was able to for it to feel safe for him to be himself. And I think he took a huge risk by waking up in the morning. And I was sitting there making coffee, and I wa- I watched him like grit his teeth and then walk up to Andrew in hug, Andrew. And for me. It was like, wow. If. I experience if if I had anything in this expedition to look forward to or for it to come to an end state with like something really amazing happening. Like right there in that moment. I felt like that. 'cause that guy was huge stretch for him to go up in huggy. Andrew and say, hey, listen, man. I'm ready to do this and hike through the park and enjoy this with you. And it just did so much for the dynamic of the group. Yeah. I mean just to tag onto that. I think what happened is that? We shared more of who we were. We got to see each other's viewpoints. We got to hear about each other's experiences in a really vulnerable way that you know, this is shit that I don't share with people openly. It was coming from a place a real trauma in real hurt. And something that. You know, just just took us to a level of depth where I felt like the group had seen me. I'd seen other people in the group and. Vulnerability created the connection created the bond that then you know, that was night one in Yellowstone. So just created this this amazing bond that we got to enjoy the rest of the trip. Out there like on Mrs Clinton night. I wanted to really commend Andrew for showing up in for one being the leader that one I did call out kind of like the elephant in the room and speak to his experience in only his experience. I think that's what he did extremely well. Was he spoken in? I statements. He spoke from what he was feeling choices. He made. Around the environment. He was in and that, you know, right away. It takes the weapons out of the conversation. You know, any weapons that could be there. It takes the attack away that that that we see so much in society. So I I think I just want to applaud Andrew for that for showing up right from the get go with that intention. I think it's at the stage, and it things from escalate I wanna just highlight. Because the the phrase you said Andrew that really like wrong vibrantly there for me was you shared the hard stuff. You shared the more of you. You like you like went past that that wall, which is where you know, we don't let other people see. So basically, you guys were willing to pull the curtains back in actually see the deeper shit that you were both coming from perfect. That's that's I really wanted to make sure that got brought out here as as the moment because that's. Again, you know, Travis he said something awesome earlier about you recognize what every man is in a moment, somehow or you like solid. Oh, okay. This is what's going on here? And I, and I really do believe that if you know, if you had to pare it down to a simple thing, it is kind of that is creating a place where we don't have to just show up with just this level or this part of like, all right? And it is lead. It you know, I think that's kind of the the beautiful thing here is that like moving past that which is vulnerable by nature. And I it's it is leadership in the the amazing thing here is is like is conflict is often one of the greatest entry points into this. And so in our groups is that when there is conflict like exactly we we do everything we can not hold it in. We do everything we it's it's fucking safe enough to just speak it, so yeah, Tony. We got this little chat thing going on the side, and you guys can join into but Tony's doing real good with this. Once you keep going there, man. Sorry. Yeah. I just wanted to kind of sum up. What a let's thinking about after timid talk and saying that. After the expedition, and you know, they. The you know, computations that that happened in how it all worked out and stuff, you know. It's poured over into his everyday life. He's been able to to use that especially coming from a fighting biting type background like a lot of us. That's that's huge. That's that's just a maturing as a as a a good, man. But also when I wanted to say to is that I think what made an I think Andrew kinda hit on this in a couple of the people did to is that what made the connection, you know. True Rulli connection like you. Now, Dan how you're saying. Not just a you know, we can exist around each other. We can you know, whatever there's no prop on. I don't have an issue. Whatever you go your way, I'll go away. Now there was like a true connection. And I think that also. From Andrew being one hundred percent, honest and sharing sharing experiences in his life. That are and, you know, making him the Boehner -able, and that's the exact same thing that I've experienced too with talking about some of the issues that you know, that I've been battling through for years and stuff, and I hit it for years. But now that I'm open about this stuff with other other men, even if I don't know them that well, it's been great any like really get a bond, and then they start opening up. And then he started figuring out like how many things you have in common. And it's just a it's just a beautiful thing. That's right. I just wanna throw at one word for you guys to sort of riff on both sides. You know, we call this the veteran integration program, but I think that might imply that its integration for veterans. But it's also integration for non veterans to. So what did you know? Did we did that word happen did integration happen in in house? Oh, and I'd love to hear more perspective from both sides there. I'll speak on. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Travis. I was just going to say you brought up the word integration. And how it happened on the trip and for me to someone up pretty quickly is just being able to express yourself in front of other people before this trip. I probably truly didn't open myself up or express myself to almost anyone my entire lifetime. And within the first day. I find myself doing it in front of a group of I don't know. Fifteen guys, you know. So really just digging deep integrating the pack not being scared and going for it. And that's that's my idea of immigration. I just remembered that moment Travis I was there. Like, you literally kicked it off for the entire group. You really like broke the eggs and started the scrambling process man, you let it you lead that process. Thank you. Thank you. It wasn't. I originally intended to go that way. Although that was the best way for it to go. I feel in honest, if I were the first person to talk around that circle, I've probably would have gone shorts. I could said as little as I could about myself and just moved on. But it was the overall emotions as getting from here in each and every guy speaker around the circle that by the time it got to my Turney now just broken down. And I was ready to let it go. And it just felt absolutely great. Aaron what are you feeling right now? Yeah. Just thinking about how Travis opened up the safety in the permission for everyone. Just to fall right in place in it. Really? I think dislike. Yeah. Like turbo charge the experience for for a lot of guys including themselves. That Savall is you haven't even I keep I can't see your face just see your name. But a a one I I kind of miss you, partly, but others what else would you have this about all this, ma'am? Well, this is Matt great time. Yeah. You know, I was really isolated and shut shutdown and at this point coming on expedition. I was like Manam ready to I'm ready to branch out. And and do what scary. It was scary to make connections and talk to people and heaven forbid have a friend. In my experience, a many many friends pass on in in nog, great ways. So it was a scary concept. And I was really happy to just dive in and know that other people felt the same way had the same motions or similar experiences. And I really wanted to speak to. This dichotomy of of leaving career as as a special forces operator and being one way. And that's who I am. But then leaving and feeling like, okay. We'll now have to be a civilian like what does that? What does that mean? I can't I can't be violent. I can't be outspoken. I can't you know. I can't do what I've done in been trained to do. Necessarily in that way. And I didn't feel like myself. You know, I was like pretending to be this non-confrontational. Let's keep the peace person. And what I found in one of our fireside chats there, you know, I was just kinda there. I was just on the planet in in the in existence. And when the group got together and got vulnerable, which is just a key element for trust. It was like a vacuum is created in. We all spoke us right in. And I was there. We were all present, and what I learned through through the difficult interactions, and and the great, you know, fun interactions were really came together that I I can be me. I'll have to pretend to be some nice civilian who has the perfect manners at all times to just blend in is. That's not me. I mean record matters. But we all like to have fun and have dirty sailor once in what? And so what I found was. I don't have to pretend to be one way or the other way. I could just be me and exists. For myself. I in in this whole world, I'm creating and what I found was as I looked around at every guy from every Akron really seemed to kind of blend and meld into this into this. Transformation. If you will that was happening in this group. We were all just men. Amazing. Yeah. I just want to say this is Quinton. Everyone's like got their thumbs up. We're we're all chatting in this chat. Like fuck. Yes. At said to call it out. I just. I love you, Matt you're like such an awesome, dude. I felt that right away. When you open up that first night. You and Travis both were like, huge leaders in my book and. You set the tone, and I felt connected immediately to you. I consider you a close friend, man. Like, the the only few conversations we've had even since the expedition. I'm like you. I don't know. I just have a lot of respect for you. And I'm really glad you showed up. So I wanna talk about heart of that for second something that I hear near voice Quinton. And that is something that again, the the dual nature or the multifaceted nature of the intent of this project is yes, it's we wanted to support you that's as he trans transition or, you know, live like allow you to be you like we want help that. But it's the other thing too and this comes from. So this all came from Erin, you know, reaching out joining my man's group in bozeman in. It was it was this what errands been calling calling multi gifted exchange because there is something that, you know, he's received something from our relationship in his work. But but so have I. Equal. I think equal amounts that mirrors it, and you know, I can speak to it. Very vulnerably is just that. I have never walked around sort of doubting. My masculinity not ever walked around doubting. You know, my man latest. I think I I was born into like a fucking caveman body with like a, you know. You know, it's just like I'm fairly masculine dude never worried about. However, there is a part of the world that I haven't experienced which which specifically you special forces guys have that that represents to be like a level of a level of masculine a level of toughness a level of something that it's hard to put a finger on that in in specifically Aaron validating this project. Erin, validating mile leadership or invalidating the ever decided of being vulnerable with other men and gave me some massive boost that I don't know that. From another way. I mean, you know, I've talked about this before we're professional athletes and special forces guys have irrevokable unremarkable man card that stamped forever. Right. There's just like you got this thing. And so I wanted to bring that out to in sort of theirs. I do believe there's a deep deep validation process. And that's me. But I want to ask Andrew I wanna ask Quinton and the other non vets here. So what what sort of takeaways an integration happened for you? How did this? What did this do for you guys individually? Yeah. This is Quentin I'll just piggyback memorable. I don't know. I'll jump in. I guess for me. Humanize an aspect in myself that I acknowledged in special forces guys, I I learned so much about special forces guys through this experience. I I got hear their story that got to hear their lifestyles who they are how they are as as as regular guys that for me humanize, you know, what what what I have experienced as you know. Uber. Macho culture you now and something that I've been trying to get away from and. I got the experience it in a very validating way that I'm not the only one that wants the oh there, you know. I'm not the only guy that's in this, you know, in this chicken hut. Trying to trying to connect from similar experience. If I if I could jump in. This is Tim. In sort of just to build on what Q is saying. My biggest takeaway are some of my takeaways whereas resolving conflict with a resolving relationships. I think conflict in first with myself. And it think with other men in specifically. With with women to and also with Matt was saying how we show is up. He didn't know how to show up as as as bad are as a as a civilian. He is who he is. And that was another big thing. I took away being an athlete for so many years. I was trying to be someone else in. And I think that's why I cannot do so much with with the vets was these guys were were leaders. Are they will part of team and something that I understood that they understood at don't get that in my life too often something that I seek out in my life. And sometimes it's hard to find in. Maybe when I find it. I press it too much and that goes back to the slowing down part. So connecting with with these guys in that environment. Specifically, it's not I mean that that we're we're all tours amping were hiking fatigued food that we're eating. Was was was unique in the environments. So just taking that in understanding who I am is you know, who I am. And in looking at that and sorta covering that out, and and how I show up. My everyday life is very important. This is Andrew I think the couple things that happened for me one is I got home. And I was like, I just wanna spend all my time outdoors. I went I spent a lot more time at REI. I wanted to buy a new pack. Get out the national parks in hike way, more. Because I felt like more of a man. Out there. And and I think part of part of what happened is that? I started to associate that feeling with with being outdoors. But really was coming from the group that I was with. And I shared this while I was there. I felt. Both Q and Tim talked about humanizing the special forces. I had this kind of realization as they were sharing some of the stories in some of the trainings. They go through that. You can train anyone to be a weapon. You can't train anyone to be a weapon and not shoot. And to to kind of have the humanity that they have to know when to use force and went to step back and use diplomacy and talk things through and you know. That's why special forces unconventional warfare. It's figuring out the the other ways to achieve the task. And that Tommy Allott the way that they they showed up. They never had to be asked twice every day. It's like we gotta get water. We got a pitch tents. We gotta start a fire like cool. I do this this this. It's done. Right. That was awesome. End Seta set an expectation for the civilians that was like a. Wow, okay. That's that's how we're playing here. Like, okay, great like, I'm on board. And and I think that highly from what I heard highly contrast it from the previous expedition that did not include special forces guys. And. And I think that was like they had high expectations of each other that didn't necessarily I don't think how to high expectations of us. But just because of what we saw them how we saw them operating. We're like, oh, I wanna be that way too. Because we saw we saw the effect. And overall like I felt really blessed to to just be there and be able to. Offer my skills, in whatever way, I could as a as a facilitator is a human being. I remember special moment with Tony where he was suffering from asthma on the trail, and I just like paused and so there with him breathing like slowing down. And it felt really good to be able to offer that to. Somebody from special forces who you know, we're we're told are invincible on. So that was really a special one of many special moments on the trip. Yeah. It goes both ways may on. I was kind of just second. It's just kinda just second nature for the military guys. You know to wake up and start getting stuff done in kind of have this mental checkless get the day going. You know, man, I was I was extremely impressed and just elated and excited that the civilian guys are doing as well, like just hop into getting stuff done helping us out. Everyone was just cohesive and everything Joan so smooth. You know? Yet, logistically, I think I have to have special operations guys on all of these expeditions. But I that comes to it's funny point. But. The shared perspective in the multi gifted exchange is what I really saw in all of that. And what I believe is that, you know, growing up I naturally gravitated towards aggressive guys. I gravitated towards you know, ideas of dudes doing violent things because I was trying to protect someone. And then I found a group I found a group of guys that did that and they were a special forces team. And I I earn the right to serve on that team in Ben when I found bans men's group in bozeman. It was the exact same feeling. But at a completely different way. I felt I was being held accountable felt like I should really be performing to the best of my ability to be a father to the husband be a friend a community member in it. It was just literally the same feeling, and I guess that's what I tried to share with with everybody on this expedition. Tonio wouldn't say something real quick for forget talking about the called bad ass at St. that that I saw out there. I mean, I was definitely struggle struggle with the altitude changes big time, and it was a ask acre. I remember talking to air errands, like a man sometimes it's what you need is stay kick in the ass. You know, but it was great to see, you know, other people struggling because there is a there's a brotherhood in in misery that all of us. You know, the vets for sure, no. And I think the the dawn vets they didn't note up for definitely know it now after the after especially that it was what day to day three whatever that one. We had to go over that pass. That was a that was a rough one. But what I want to say. Couple of bad ass things. Two different into different respects one was when we were going up to the summit bear net. And. And one of the guys didn't feel comfortable. And then believe it was you Erin, you're like, yeah. I don't feel comfortable with cedar. And like that was so I don't know to me that's bad ass that you're just comfortable not to be now. I'm not gonna not gonna do. I'm not gonna do. I don't feel comfortable with this. And I respected shit out of you that while it was Nick. Yeah. Respected netra that. Normally, you know, we've been like, you know, felt embarrassed or whatever. But that's not the way that not the way that it was looked looked at from from my perspective. What I'm pretty sure else's perspective. So that was awesome. And then on the other end Matt do that. I also don't do. Well with heat. I did have a really bad heatstroke one time temperature one hundred eight so I don't I don't do that he claustrophobia kinda stuff and during that sweat lodge, man. You were such a bad ass, bro. You state in that thing the entire time. I don't know how you did it. But you I don't it was a rough rough time for me. I the first four. And I couldn't couldn't get there fast enough. But man came right back in and see you in there the whole time and just you're just in those zone grow. And I respected the hell out of that motivated me. So that was a bad. Other spectrum. So I just wanted that. So amazing, we share that Tony. I just want to again, I think it's worth repeating. So you just give sort of respect for two different actions. One is that. You decided not to push through something. And I respect you for that. And then there was this. This other end of it is mad decided to just like fucking go all the way hard core. And so I just think again that like there's these little things I think culturally, if we if we can start speaking about this, if we can have you know, that it's not just one way or the other and be able to highlight as thanks for sharing both of those Tony I think, that's I think that's fucking import. Well, absolutely one of the it's a motto for rank or officers Ostra cannon school way back in two thousand four and the Latin phrase dicta exemple just means lead, by example. And I think well, those were exactly that who's leading by example. It was you know, 'cause Aaron you you. And I don't know if you would've I really don't. And maybe maybe you would have said you were uncomfortable when you want to do it. But also, I also know how you are a hard charge in, you know, SF door kicking dude that you even be uncomfortable. We all went you probably would probably would have done it to even though you weren't you know, weren't comfortable. But the fact that Nick had leadership ability to say, I'm not comfortable doing this than you know. That's that's leading by example to me. And you know, Aaron that the that gave you know, Aaron that that opportunity of, you know, being able to you know, voices is concerned to in saying, you know, what I'm so I remember saying, I think is what you say. You're like, I'm so glad you said something because I am not comfortable either. Yeah. At that moment. I was like I don't have anything else to prove. And I was gonna do it anyways. But now that this guy is voicing his uncomfortableness. I'm just gonna go right along with them. And it felt good to honestly support him in that. And then for him, and I to to spend time together on that ledge while you guys hiked up the rest, I felt was like crucial to the entire rest of the expedition. And I believe what Nick needed in a lot of that was just someone to talk to someone to share with. And I felt like I became a lot. Closer in connected with him through that experience. That was a win for everybody. I love that to touch on that. 'cause I this is Quinton. I feel like what west the group really early on in might have been that first second night on the woods when we had confrontation with. There's no there's no longer anything to prove there's there's no competition here. And I think the big difference between those two lessons that cook. The gum one of two ways. Like, I think I don't wanna put words Tony's mouth. But I feel like the reason you stuck through that, you know, after Matt's example, you stuck through the sweat lodge wasn't because you said I wanna stick it out and do better than that, you know, or like keep up with not it was. Ratio from Matt sitting in. And it wasn't a competition. More. It was just building off that energy that Matt provided in the same thing goes with with Nick with with being able to to surrender in sciences is not the right decision right now. That's it's Frazier. I feel like there's a stark difference between, you know, competing with one. Another always have your swords out flick. It's a common thread here compared to just drawing inspiration from another just building on another. You know, I I love that. Awesome. Well, you know, just to go quick checking guys we've been on for longer than than I expected to our which is amazing. If anybody has to bail want to give you a chance to do. So and say, but if anybody else has any like other big takeaways or other things that seem, you know, important in your own life, personally, or if there's any connections to sort of a bigger picture because that's where I sit with all this. I really just continue. I mean, that's why you know, some of this began in the very first places is I literally feel like, and I'm guessing listeners can hear it as conversation has gone onto sort of cohesion sort of coming together as people open up share more end. It is. It's this help -able. It's his poeple team energy helpful like support. And you know, all of it is there. And so I think about the big picture, I almost feel like this call and. This expedition, both it's almost a Petri dish in which there's a there's a biologist doing experiments in the spirit experiment is intended to help our society get to a place of better function of higher function. And I literally think all the pieces are here. I do I think like all of the cultures got introduced to each other in the right environment to show that there is there's a way to where everybody can be fucking seen in heard and everybody could show up with whatever the hell it is. And there's room for it and the resulting sort of. The results is something that's deeply positive. And again, you know, it's it's not a silver bullet, there's anything necessarily magical here. But I wanna hear if anybody has any other bigger takeaways to sort of overlay against other. You know, either personal societal issues. Yeah. I believe it is like type of beach reduce for that type of interaction with with human beings. And I mean, I feel like what we did together was huge. I put together this expedition with some expectations, and then it far exceeded in port over on those expectations in a much bigger way than I would've ever believed. And yeah, like, I think it created like a ripple effect just between us and then into the world. So I can't imagine what it would be like if you know, everyone actually can't imagine what it would be like if everyone interacted in the way that we did in those seven day it just felt so big to me. And so out of my control. It was like I was there. But it was just happening. And yeah, it feels if feels huge. Anybody anything they want to add? Yeah. I can add on this. Sorry. This is Tony. What I was gonna say, I guess be. Example on just gonna use examples real quick from from the expedition, and that would be I think the two the two biggest ones as far as from day one to the end transformation of being open and being vulnerable would definitely be Travis. He came along real quick. But I mean when I first. Trabzon main got so happy to see, you know, been two years since I've seen yet as time was napkins, Dan. You know, it was different. You're a real shaky real, nervous and stuff and. Within. I think I don't know when I saw you you were out there on the on the mountains and step in like, you were just in your element. You were so happy you were running up to different people talking to different people taking pictures of everything. And you're just I dunno. I just saw a huge huge transformation. In you in now and being comfortable with being bar or being so being comfortable with being uncomfortable. That makes sense. So. And the other one the other ones, Nick Nick didn't know, what does what does integration? Or what this expedition was gonna be about thought, it was just gonna be, you know, going out into the woods. Actually. It's kind of what I thought too. A really wasn't. Wasn't too privy. I didn't do my research. I guess should say as far as, you know, the intimacy, and you know, going to that a what is it Dan that you say the what four percent or something like that? Yeah. Lena one to four percent pass. What's okay? Right. Exactly. So so I mean, that's you know, making yourself on making yourself uncomfortable. And I think that's just a that's huge. And he Nick speaking about Nick again, like by the end, I mean, he was he was given hugs. He was taken taken me around showing kinds of cool things the morning after the sweat lodge and. Day was just a different different person. And it was so awesome. Because he he didn't want to open up stuff like that. And we totally respected him for that. You know, he wasn't comfortable doing that at first. But then by the end, he was he definitely was. And I think I think between you to just just watching you guys summed up what what the expedition was about and what needs to also carry over. And I think that not. So, you know, I'm not trying to advocate a buck here. But it is a good book that I know I think Aaron just listening to reds ready to David Goggin can't hurt me. And one of his things is, you know, do something uncomfortable every single day, you something that we don't wanna do every single day. And in doing that, you're making yourself more well rounded person. And I think the take this, you know, making yourself vulnerable. If that's something that you're uncomfortable with sharing with sharing with others. You know in being open like that you you get better at it. Just repetition repetition repetition. That's how you get better. So we got better shooting. So you'd better running. So you get better at math anything, you know, is is he's repetitions. And so doing these repetitions of you know, honesty and openness, I think is is what is needed in our society from from men. So I mean, I promote the heck out of you know, I haven't been to every man meeting or anything because my situation right now, I'm been able to super excited about about the upcoming now open source. I'll can't wait to see some guys. But I promote the heck out of every man. And then a lotta times talk to when I start talking about it guys would be like, oh, yeah. There's this other thing whatever it's like, I'm not trying to ever steer anybody away from that. Because I'm like that's beautiful. That's sleet, like awesome. You know? It doesn't matter. What group or anything like that? It's just something something like that. Hold each other accountable to be able to get out the things that are inside of us. You know? And feel that support and unity unity with each other. So yeah, just getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. Hey, tony. So one thing that I definitely want to to make known to highlight was the fact that we've known each other for more than a decade in the in this experience of a week. I felt like I found out more about you. I saw more of who you were in. We felt each other more than we ever had in the last ten years. And you know, we do a thing we have a scenario where we all wind up, and we look directly into each other's eyes. And we tell each other who we actually are. And I believe that's the first time I actually knew who you were phoney and to know you for civil long to have that happen was. May just show invalidated be the reason for me having this expedition, and then to have a friend attend with me. I mean, I genuinely feel like I had you there because I care about. A wanted something for you. But then to get to receive that back was was amazing. I couldn't agree more with you. Erin at the same thing with Travis. You know, I mean, I got close to Travis for sure on deployment and stuff. And then now, you know that I mean man, you talk about you know, getting at one four percent or you know, getting uncomfortable zone. Dan. It was that was that chance. But man, it was what a great way to start it off a main to just jump in it. It's like, you know, instead of you know, it's like jumping into cold water you go in slow. It's going to suck suck for a law. You just jump in your it's done with banded sucks for like two seconds over with, you know, and then you're in it. So I think that was a phenomenal way to start it off. Because just like Erin said I mean knowing each other for decade, I learned more about Aaron in that one or two minutes of speaking to each other face to face than I have in ten years and same thing Travis. It was. This isn't that wild shit, isn't that wild? We can go whole lifetime of knowing somebody. But then if we're simply asked to cut the chicken share, it's it's like, a lightning strike, it never fails to glow my mind. Right. And, you know, Andrew hadn't thinking, you know, Andrew was doing his doing his video, you know, in video for father. But it just ruined surprise there. We can add it that out if we have to but anyone good in. And I thought that was just so cool in and Dan, I couldn't agree more. That's one of my biggest fears is that like, I can't imagine rain. My dad to one of these one of the events, and I've just never I feel like everything we have is kind of service. Like, I know he loves me. And and all stuff, and he's been a great father. But like if he passed away today, or my mom did to you know, I I would have nothing but regret because I never really opened up to them, nor, you know, her had them truly open up. And so, yeah, it is a very it's a very scary thing. Danza go go through life, and you know, but now now going through what we did especially Aaron I like, I know that now, and I know what needs to be done. That's amazing. Our guys will we're going to lead this toward a wrap up. So any like anybody who hasn't spoken up for awhile any other thoughts? Matt or Q Travis or ten Andrew any less kind of concluding thoughts. But yeah, before I went, I just wanted to say, thank you. And I wanted to get a shoutout to Christian and Nick that weren't able to make this podcast. They're they're just as part of this as we all are Christian was my tint buddy for the trip. We've made extremely close. You know, shame Lee close friendships. I just want to say, thanks. You guys got here this. I'm sorry. Weren't here for is fun. Buddy else. Yeah. When one thing on my end, this is Andrew I really appreciated some of the follow up connections in bonding that I got to do with guys, and Tim, and I were talking every week every other week for sometime after the event not reached out a few weeks ago in shared some stuff that it was going through. I think that speaks to the. Each each time. It just feels like we're picking up from where we left off. And I think that speaks to the bond house hell special this this trip was in how special it is to get that vulnerable. Yeah. And this is Quentin. Tony brought it up earlier side feel called the share to. I I think the. The the similarities between a lot of us happened to be rain trauma and this trip really helped me solidify and just Gwynne. I just wanted to say that this trip really helped affirm all my beliefs about this work, and how it applies to every demographic, and it can help everyone in the intricacy that it that it plays in brain house in connection is just huge under so thankful for thank you for this trip than. Love you guys. Us. One more voice who else who wants to take home? This is Tim and. I'm just real pre she'd of group of the expedition I was really looking forward to to get on down on just today. Yeah. And I I'm definitely looking forward to experience another one of these and being more part of the kuprin continuing to listen to the podcast, and all and you guys on social media websites. A great rate. Very, very helpful. Thank you guys. Bad. Do you anything else? You wanna say it might just be I need to call. We can catch up that might be what I'm feeling. Here's else. Else? You wanna you wanna say, yeah. Actually, I do. I am going to make some phone calls to a couple gentlemen. I feel like I could glean some knowledge of life experiences that that could be shared, and I just wanna say a level, you guys feel real connected to you. And. I just really appreciate us experience. I think right now, it's too soon to tell, but I think this event has has been extreme catalyst for some positive changes in my life things that are difficult, but I think are going to be just. Monumental in the future. So I'm very excited and very very appreciative. And really happy that I got this experience. Thank you. Awesome guys. Well, thank you for taking the time. Thanks, everybody for listening, and I feel like this format was actually pretty RAD. Once we kinda warmed up really got into it. I think it went really well. And in the future, the podcast will probably hear from more of these guys on some some deeper ways to so thank you guys have a good day. And we'll see you soon. Thank you for listening in again. I feel humbled. I feel grateful. I feel proud, and I feel strong about this whole thing that we're doing it has been quite a ride it has been messy it has been filled with pitfalls that I haven't been aware of. And you know, what listen this conversation being a part of this conversation. Having like what what an amazing place to be to have the opportunity to truly open up life with a bunch of men like this. I think it's just completely rare. I think it's beautiful, and I think it can change our world. Thanks for tuning. Then.

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Animal Talk  Krissie Newman Pit Road Pets (Rewind)  Episode 101

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Animal Talk Krissie Newman Pit Road Pets (Rewind) Episode 101

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT network visit. Www DOT PODCAST DETROIT DOT com for more information. Talk Take Seven. So you're going to cut this into a whole bunch of a bunch of said there's a music that means it's time for animals on some of the best dog on fat people on the planet here to help you depends money to Jamie just making sure. But he has a good time. Animal Talk. It is America's best show and today it's an animal talk rewind. We'RE GONNA go back in time in two thousand six taken aback now. Here's the interesting thing. Ryan Newman is a couple of weeks ago on the track major accident. Just Brash. The car off to the hospital critical condition and over the weekend. He's walking out of the hospital on his own on Wednesday. Amazing were so bad. Ryan is a friend of the show. He and his wife Chris. Big animal advocates. Big Animal. Lovers actually wrote a book called pit row pats and we had. Christiane talk about pets and all the other animal advocacy. That suit them do so. We're going to go back to two thousand six hundred to check out our conversation. Chrissy Newman Harangue for Ryan. Newman we're so glad he's feeling better and making his way out of the hospital and doing well. Friend of the show Ryan Newman Christie. Newman's pit road cats on animal talk. Let's do this and we help you with your pet. Whatever the problem might be. We have a professional standing by to help you out sitting across from me. I'm Dr Brad Davis. I'm answering veterinary questions. That you might have and next to me Donna. Plumber and I'm here to answer any training questions of course standing by For any of your reptile questions scaly or creepy things fish. Whatever you got our buddy roar from reptiles safari dot org. He's here to help you With reptiles fish as well three one. Oh Yeah my name is Jamie. I just only time WHO. Let's guy in radio Eight hundred up on the show today. We're talking to Chrissy Newman. Who is Chrissy Newman? You might say lower husband a lot better than you know her. That's right I gotta say well. Who is because he knew who is Christine? I'm sorry I didn't know you were going out for back. So but Chrissy Newman. Yes her husband. Ryan Newman Number Twelve Nascar circuit. He is They they created this Ryan Newman Foundation. And they've Come together and they. They raise awareness for spay and neutering and donate money to charitable causes Spay and Neuter as their main awareness as their main cause if they do work for and they've come up with a nice coffee table book called pit row pets and So we're GONNA talk about Christie About the foundation and what they do and why they do it and and about the book as well. That's coming up and Ryan he finished what Fifteenth. Today fifteen out in. Mis Rain shortened race. They're a bit again the whole way. He would have one that I have no doubt laugh. Laugh laugh laugh laugh. Oh my gosh. What's going to happen next and John was a little difficult to follow. Don't worry Jamie if you've been there. What would you have done ten surprised by that really you real low anyway Brad? You've been I was your week. Oh well you know I had it a little bit of a disappointment though I want. I got a new. Tv about a brand new TV and it was I wanted to get one of those fancy Hdtv's but I made a mistake about an adhd TV changing channels on US reduce seconds. It's terrible mercy. I know it's me by talk. Radio DOT COM. Yes kidding relative calm right Jamie you wrote it. It was great and For Your Nascar plates you can send them out Jamie an animal talk radio dot com just Yeah and we're GONNA have a Lotta fun today and we're GONNA take some calls we're GONNA help people with their pets and What I had something else in store. Oh yeah that's right it's National it take your pet to work week day as coming up. It's coming up on Friday on fast approaching June twenty third. It's the national. Take your pet to work day and People you'd be amazed one in five corporations People were surveyed and one five corporations Say It's okay to bring your pets at work early and The major companies big places And the majority of the People Paul believes that. There's a lot of benefits having their pets at work Fifty five million Americans believe that having their pet at work lease more creative environment. Wow they These millions of people they believe having pets in the workplace decreases absenteeism. This isn't a bit yet. The bill coming about fifty million people believe having pets in the workplace. Help Co workers get along better or at least you know the natioinalist. They've got your pit bull there. Then they're not gonNA come around so can work either way could work. Well yes. Thirty eight million people believe having pets in the workplace creates a more productive work environment and Decreases the degree smoking in the workplace and better relationships between managers and employees really? So yeah so there you go and Lots of benefits to it. There are other more. Jamie well actually. There's some cautionary not really. Yeah well actually a dentist this now. This is true. A dentist in Washington state voluntarily surrendered his license. And there's a new at the end of this A dentist in Washington state voluntarily surrendered his license after the health department discovered. His pet cat was allowed to roam in examination. Rooms and instruments used the mixed dental impression fabrication material. Were also used to clean up after the cat. All right so here So for all those people who are already scared to go to the dentist. You've just created a new wall or your your doctor in general Yeah so A- and the word of the day today is fantastic. We Post. Yeah we all right. The order today is fantastic will come up later. So as you're reading signs that your your your. Your doctor has brought his pet to work. While you're eating the magazines in the in the Waiting Room. There's white splotches all over the covers. All right The do okay all right. The waiting room is bare. Here's the waiting room is bare except for a small stone castle in the corner. Sign that your doctor brought his pet. The work When it's time to produce a urine sample your direct to a large box of sand. The this message flavored lollipops. That's a good sign that your doctor brings his pit to work Those are power bars under the desk. That's a sign. Dr Raises. Pets work whenever you visit your shrink. There's an extra voice inside your head and whistles a lot and it tells you a pretty boy Sign your doctor brings his pen to work. It's you don't remember that last call and ask colonoscopy being quite so scaly yeah and Getting into the stirrups involves a nurse giving you a leg up into the saddle while another holds the bridal and the top sign that Your your doctor brings his pet to the office as you drift out of as you drift out of consciousness. You think you hear who's a good anesthesia is. You're in good anesthesiologist. Signs here Dr Pepper. I work with them. All right eight hundred two. GonNa be with your pet do you. Do You remember pee. Wee's playhouse and the word of the day I'm not going to scream into the microphone on our plan on taking your pet to work. That's our caller poll for the day. can you take your pets work and you plan on taking your pets at work on Take your pet to work day on the twenty third June June. The twenty third coming up here on Friday so Let us know even if you don't have a pet question. Do you take your pets at work or do you plan to for the special one off day Give us a call. Let us know and of course. We're happy to help you with your questions. Jamie Donna Dr Brad. It's animal talk as you're quite open at Dumbo. Not Bring Out Feinstein and your dot on animal talk and just making your world a happier place bread We're going to talk to you and emails is what I was trying to say. No yes emails. Over there We have our website animal. Talk Radio DOT COM. You can go visit our website and There's lots of cool stuff on. Their bread has some cartoons on their which are very entertaining. the PEP parade where you send us pictures of your pets and we put them up for you to show off the critters that make your life so much happier and There's a frequently asked questions and you're able to send in your questions to us via the email so you sip ship those in. We'll answer those four. You we get through to a few on the weekend as well which you get over there okay. Dear Animal Talk. My puppy is named Roscoe but but he nipped so much. I'm thinking of changing his name to Nipsy. He's a Boston Russell. Terrier Boston terrier pup. How can we get him to stop nipping and assigned Bob? How old is the puppy? That would be the question that I would have because if we are under fourteen weeks of age you can do. What's called the rollover exercise? In which case you would put the puppy on his back and you would have your hand up high between the two front legs and you want to keep your hand in that position so that he cannot bite you and you hold him there and you give them a big mean no each time. He struggles to get up. While you're teaching. The puppy is to relax now. It's a very hard thing to describe Without somebody seeing it but there should be a trainer in your area that can do this for you. once we're over fourteen weeks really. What you're looking at doing would be considered more of the loud quicken invisible where you're making a big scary noise that interrupts. What the puppies doing and when he stops and kind of looks around like hey what was that you then say good job and then divert him into something. That's more appropriate like chewing on a bone or playing with his ball Anything other than chewing on you. So it's two different things. If they're under fourteen weeks you can do a rollover which is a natural type of correction that the Momma dog would do to them or after fourteen weeks allowed quicken visible so it just depends on the age. Okay of course Those emails we take care of those at Animal Talk Radio Dot Com our website And put together by Mark Hicks over prime branding. Great web works. Check that out but I got an email sure. Do Air Force do dear animal. Talk A me. Why are flea collars? A bad thing my vet stop carrying them and won't recommend that I don't use them anymore. We've used them since I was a little kid doesn't say if it was on the pets that I'm assuming and it says that I'd like to get one flea collars for my dogs. But I don't WanNa do something bad. What do you think and the Sign Roger? It really is the same thing I mean. When when they pulled lead paint off the store shelves I was upset. You know I miss you miss you do. It'll be okay They got rid of it. Because it's harmful to your pets actually actually can be a little bit hard. And there's been so many other breakthroughs and so much stuff that will well. Who's going to answer the question? I was just you know joke leaps and bounds advances in the products. That work just It'll blow your mind. They're fantastic and these products are there's front line in advantage. They're both really good products. And they're like coke and Pepsi. I mean there when you go in most the clinics don't carry both have one or the other but the belt do a fine job either one. You get a Advantage frontline for that matter coke or Pepsi But the thing is The the thing about the The thing the thing about the flea collars is they never really did that. Great a job and They would involve. You'd have to flee dips and flee Baz and all that with the new products. You don't have to do that and they're not toxic you don't care about the kids getting Getting part of the The collar in their mouth. You don't care about the dog having a reaction and they were in the wrong part of the body to fleas. Hang out at the back end of the body and these are in the front end of the body which isn't where you want them so so it didn't. It didn't do very much good as a matter of fact anyone who's given who who's around when we were doing flea baths and dogs would tell you that one of the first things we would do before we give the bath is to remove the flea collar and hang it up till we give it back to the person after the baths but it didn't really do much mud. Did you guys use a lot of flea collars and we didn't. Yeah they're they're completely pass a it would be like Let's even less than buying a phonograph. Because there's some arguments that there's a reason to have vinyl record ATTRAC- attract yeah it'd be like an attract. We like buying. It is nice but no eight. No eight tracks those other so it was like buying an eight track player. That's sort of passe. And dangerous and not very good okay. Income not dangerous. They can be if they're captain Antonio love what else. What else would you put in and El Camino? They'll really all right. Hey I'm just meeting today. We have a picking on a woman from Taylor earlier because she lived in Taylor and I was making fun of around here. I was just not being nice today early. Boy and a little better place Coming up we're going to talk to Chrissy Newman Author of the books. The coordinator of the Book Pit Road. Pets look at Nascar's top stars and their pets like Ricky Rudd Ricky Rudd and it would not expect to be a Cat Guy. But Ricky Rudd has cat. He's he's he's got lots of Ca Canada. The Pettis are in there with the ponies. Don't give them all away. Pettis into ponies right the guerrillas and the fish. We'll talk to Chrissy Newman about her book or husband. Ryan Newman Nascar driver and and Your calls and of course your emails as well when you visit our website. Animal Talk Radio. Dot Com and bread. Did you have another email or do your animal talk? You've got mail My Bet wants to do an ultrasound on my dog wants to check out and see if a mass in the abdomen really is something bad. What is an ultrasound? And why would he do that and not an X-ray And this is a sign betty. Brad what can you tell Betty? Betty the thing about ultrasounds. There's a different ex- ran an ultrasound would be like if you take a picture of a building versus looking around inside a building. What an ultrasound does rather than using x-rays go through things that actually the the sound that comes back appears in is an image so it's actually using sound that's why is an ultrasound is using sound to make an image just like doing a Sonogram for a baby with this would it They're doing is. They're looking inside the organ or they're looking inside the mass to see what it's made to see if it's fluid filled to see if it's actually a tumor and see what is coming off of what part of the body. That's what they sound like when you're using one they sound just like ours didn't well well you get that added in later. Oh that's the extra feature we didn't pay for. Yeah that's a standard talk. What it does it gives them an idea of what they're up against And gives you a better idea of what the prognosis and just the plain old x Ray? All right eight hundred is going to help you with your pet and after this break we're GonNa talk to Chrissy Newman and talk about her book. Pit Road pets. Eight hundred two five nine nine two three one. It's Animal Tom. You'll selfish becoming the diva call. Eight hundred fifty five. That's the number to call eight hundred and Coming up on Friday coming up on Friday. It is Take your dog to work day national. Take your dog to work our question to you. Our question to you is Are you going to take your pet to work? Do you take your pet to work. Do you have a place? That's conducive for that. And let us give us a call and We'll be our caller poll for the day. But you don't have to have that pet question if you want to chime in on that Do you believe that people say there's is just all benefits for taking your pet to work just So much so much more of a better place happier times more productive people Just better all the way around national. Take your workday What about taking your pet do you take? I mean you work at a vet clinic. Do you take your pets into the clinic or they stay home. My wife does take sorry dogs in every day. Can't go with you go hang out every day. Oh you're wearing the shirt now style and and Mona They go things bulldogs going with her to stay in her office. And they have an exhaustive day of snuff napping at work yes yes and then they come home and generally nap at home. Yeah it's a long drive. You got the commute really. Yes it is and But they But every day she has my. It's it's kind of a pain in the butt. It's worse than bringing your pet to work. Sounds like oh you're in a vet clinic that's great but then the thing is you're around a lot of other pets and there's not as much cage space as you'd like and there's now where do you keep them and they tend to hear. Your Voice and get loud and Barky and you know just want attention. So so I've I've I've not a big fan of bringing and also and you can tell me this. You've you've written clinic for a long time when your dog makes noise at a vet clinic it sounds louder than any other animal of that class. And it aggravates you a little bit more. Because it's your own dog you can be in an exam room and they'll be sixteen beagles and back there barking and Yapping is but if you hear your dog go you hear it. It echoes dogs voice. Yeah but it just also it's off. God He's driving everybody nuts. You know that sort of thing anyway you would you take your your pets or no I've taken my cat to work ahead to show off my my very talented smart key Quinn. A very smart cat. Yeah she plays fetch and she puts her toys back into the little peek. A price cap. Box Shell so stocks poodles very well Who Doesn't Mike? Coworker brings her poodle in To work every morning. He's still in the process of being housebroken. So He's been coming to work with her so I brought Quinton while. Jr was there and She decided that he looked like a pretty good. Pray even though. He's a lot bigger than her standard poodle so she has no fear. The Cat has absolutely no fear so if any if any of them leave the house it's usually when I I've taken Kirby to work with me a couple of times Into School When I haven't Didn't have kids and then. I've taken him to the radio station. I've brought them to the radio station before I met. Kirby always scary though because there's so many wires in so many places it's not radio studio is not Kept Child Safe War pet safe whatsoever and he has a propensity for chewing wires. So not always the best idea to bring the freak along with me but You know what are you going to do that is another call? We're going to help you with your pet. And of course he would visit our website. Animal Talk Radio DOT COM and We help you with emails through that And of course we like to scour the news and see what's happening I would wait. I would wait just a little bit and we like to end and Gail you with those stories as well. We do have some email. Well yes we do. Have that silly silly lad but Yes you can always send us an email Two questions at Animal Talk Radio Dot Com. Okay dear animal talk. Was this fan. Mail flounder should I transfer my cat to the vet? Doing need to use a carrier or is it just okay from the ride free in a car and this assigned Elaine? The safest way for any animal travel is in a in a Kennel of some sort. It keeps them from you. Know if you have to put on the brakes quickly Get into an accident anything like that. You know that there safely in a container where. They're nothing bad's going to happen. Dogs do have Seatbelts that you can do. But I'm a big fan of using the Kennel. That's the best way to go. See if it's for all involved no No Pillowcases. You could use a pillow case but bad thing. It's not a bad for for cats. You can't get any carrier. Put them in a pill and carry mine and they feel pretty common cause dark. And then if you're holding them they can feel you hold them and stuff too but Edges always cracks me up. Put Him in a case like any anything. The biggest thing is the safety of the animal. That's the most important thing and I we had. This situation occur with one of my coworkers. Turning out of the clinic with her big German shepherd in the car didn't have a seat belt harness on didn't have anything like that she got hit. Your and poor dog was very traumatized after that as was she but he ended up hitting the dashboard. So it's the safest for for the pet to get them to get them anywhere. Ideally they should be in in some sort of secure either. It's a harness seat belt or Kennel speaking of safety. I had a question from client today that I wanted to ask you about on my had a client who had a kitten and the kitten Decided to do what you're immediately going to recognize the Ken decided be fun to sleep. Inside the reclining chair and the kitten is in serious physical trouble right now after the chair reclined with the Kitty inside. Much like As as you're picturing it's just not a very pleasant thing what I'm getting is. How is the second time the cat has been in that chair? At the first time it escape would just scare this time. It didn't house. Is there a good way to stop a kitten from climbing into a chair like that too high? Because there's a there's a couple of ways that you can do. This works on cars too so in the wintertime. After you've just stopped your car sometimes. Crawl up in to the engine to keep warm animals critters. Bang on it. I mean seriously. Just start beating on the cushion. The car Y- car you can also do this with the cushion. Not The cat the cat. No no no but no but what would be the thing about this? This was a child. This was like their four year old jumped up in the chair tilted. It back and so they can't teach a child hit the they're going to miss time. Yeah Yeah Oh yeah yeah. Yeah the the other way to keep them away from. This is actually using some some type of aversion therapy which works quite well with cats double sided sticky tape and newspaper all around the chair so the four year old has to stay away from it for a little while every time. Kitty approaches it. The paper's GonNa get stuck to their paws and cats really hate to have things stuck to their paws and then it'll chase them through the house until it finally comes loose and it won't harm them. You can. Sticky paws is a another way to deteriorate from being around that area as well scare to scare your cat. That's what you need to do things every year some gets in a chair. I've never heard that one before we recliner. You know exactly I was talking about and then and then we had. We had that happened. And then the Wall washing machine and the dryer always never leave those open when you're not dealing with directly with them because cats will learn to go inside and eventually you're gonNA throw laundry in and Matt realize cubbyhole. They love the cubbyhole. Especially if you were left a piece of peace or two of laundry on there and then it's really nice to curl up on until the until the twister straight-sets yes seriously and the am in Kansas. We had a cat. I jumped out of the water from the washing machine and the water was already in the tub next to jumped right into the hot water. In the IT's fine but it took a lot of work to get better so just be careful on things like animal ties back your dog. The dog is digging the Rose Bushes. Well animal talking. Call Eight on like I promise. We got off on tangent but We have a guest today Her husband number twelve NASCAR and Chrissy. Newman they come up with a pit road. Pet our guest today was on the track for a law degree. Now she finds herself on the Nascar Circuit Married Ryan Newman. They've created a foundation called the Ryan Newman Foundation and put out a book called pit road. Pets Ladies and gentlemen welcome to Animal Talk. Chrissy Newman Chrissy welcome. Talk thank you very much. Thanks for having me so Chrissy. What was the motivation behind The the foundation and then Which ultimately ended up creating the book but we found ourselves spreading a little thin on different charities that we've been wanting to help and we decided to start the foundation to concentrate on a core group of charities that were close near and dear to Ryan in my heart and animal. Compassion and welfare is one of the biggest things that I tend to focus on his little wildlife and then we have Component which is scholarships the kids that are in involved in racing in some capacity in our going to college all right and Really what is the goal of the foundation? We just WANNA start in our own backyard and we do a lot of work with humane societies and. I'm currently working with the humane society and Hickory North Carolina to develop a new low cost. They knew to chronic a new shelter. That's no nonprofit and no kill and Our goal is basically just the starting our own backyard helping the charities and the people that we can and then spread ourselves throughout the nation. And and just help where we can and do what we can to help animals and people it so much. It's the education it's it's getting the kids aware and people wear that They they should spay neuter their pets the the the backyard breeders flooding The the market has were With pets when there's so many great critters in shelters and in rescue societies just waiting for their forever home and I it seems like that's what you're what you're after the foundation now and I think people don't realize how much thing and neuter time can Decrease the animal overpopulation problem. That we have here in the southeast. Yeah it it is. It's just I mean everywhere. It's just so prevalent so you have some free critters at home you have What digger bar and socks? That's your is that your little posse at home is there. Okay so What one one year critters at it had a little Run in And he's only has three legs now yes That's bigger and she was bitten by a copperhead snake almost a year and a half ago and developed a fungus infection that typically Dogs and horses can get in her tissue. Destroy the tissue in our legs so we had to have for like how how. It's that's what she's doing fine now right. She's got the you'd never even know what she hasn't missed to be run with the pack. Yeah that's fantastic so putting the book together because you and your dogs are featured in there but it's pit road pets it's not necessarily all dog because it was it Mr Rudd has some his cats in there and the Pettis. They have their ponies in there with them. So it's not just Dogs it's All kinds of critters in the book. Well not everybody can have a dog or cat but some people have goldfish and consider them their pets that we wanted to incorporate everybody's animals no matter what they were. How Harry or Scaly or anything that they were involved with this project people very excited about the project. I was actually overwhelmed. On on how receptive. Everyone was to Having us in their homes with their animals and taking pictures of them. And everybody's been very supportive of the book and has loved the Book and we're just excited that it's out and that we've gotten such a great response from everybody was fantastic. Yeah the roads. The roads and their cats are just a fantastic. It's it's a great book. It's called pit road pets and Nascar STARS and their pets. How many people did you ultimately get involved in into the book? There's forty nine people with their stories and pictures it's fantastic and And the proceeds from this book are going directly into the foundation and yes One hundred percent of the proceeds from The book or go into the Ryan Newman Foundation. And we in turn donate one hundred percent of those Percy's Out to different humane societies The one Hickory the Humane Society of top county is going to be a big focus to help them with their new spay neuter clinic to ask the guy and people. What can I do the problem so big but when you start at home and you start close by. And hopefully that'll trickle down trickle across. I think it's fantastic What you do and So so what's what's next for the foundation Well we're GONNA do fishing tournament. December sixteenth off of landing in Mooresville North Carolina and That will help our wildlife side of things and We are also currently in arranger boat raffle with NASCAR car and people can purchase ranger but raffle tickets to the foundation on their website. And we've got a couple of other things that are pretty cool that we're working on yet. So they'll be announced fairly soon. And then there's a big dinner that we're going to have Atlanta for speedway children's charities and a place in Griffin North Korea or griffin Atlanta call Noah's Ark so we'll be raising some money for them as well all right in the. The foundation has a website. It's www dot. Ryan Newman Foundation that work and then pit roads pets People can can be purchased the book there. And we'RE GONNA FIND. Purchase the book pretty much any bookstore. is also a NASCAR DOT COM but any bookstore. Amazon.com borders books million new name. It they should have it Chrissy. I really appreciate you taking a couple of minutes to tell us about your book and and thank you so much for the work that you're doing with the pets. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it because we have a great afternoon. Thank you take care. Bye Jiffy task young lady just simply wonderful having her And good work. They're doing and we're GONNA do some good work for you. We're going to help met with his dog in Omaha in just a second when you and your call when it's animal talk have all your monkeys gone to Clarksville. Well give animal talk call and we got Matt Listening on. Kfi Be Matt welcomed. Animal Talk doing excellent. Thanks for your patience. What's going on with your dog. Well two years old and basically what's happening is is. She's digging holes are fence and getting out okay and when I tried to do is Is get her to We put up the invisible fence right and that that stopped her. But I'm kind of hoping that I don't have to do that anymore. Well the depending on the invisible fence that you have most of them work a automatic tone that emits from the collar. That tells the dog to stay away from this area. So when the tone disappears the dog feels that we can go ahead and cross this area so that may not be the best option you can test and see how the dog handles it by. Just not turning the system on but having the dog still wear the collar and kind of Weiner off the collar does she dig anywhere else or it was just at the fence just four or five places in the fence where so dig underneath and get out or being jarred by that time and The big is is we have. We have shut the fence off just to see what she'd do. Sushi figures out. It's off she digs and she's gone and you'll need to keep that fence on so that that automatic tone is always there to tell her to back off of that area. Here's here's a thought and a question Matt. Where are you when your dog? Is doing the digging and getting out? What were usually in the house? I mean we've got a pretty big backyard and she likes to run and play and stuff and So like I said a lot of times. We'll we'll let her outside to go the bathroom and we're doing our thing inside the house and the next thing you know the neighbors Collins saying oh jasmine's over here It sounds it could be a matter of boredom too because there and she's played with everything there is to play within the backyard. And now it's time to move on so One you know you need to keep an eye on her and I thought maybe you're keeping her out there while you're at work getting out That will that's good but so Just maybe a couple more toys something to keep her interest in the arts so you know while I'm she's going to be out here and I may not have my eye on her every second we're going to put out the Bouncy ball that she loves so much or something something to keep. Yeah My my concern is is what happens is a lot of toys when she's playing with them get within that Reactionary gap where tone goes off. And then she can't get it. She sits there. And you know you try to put stuff out there to let her play with. But she's so hyper that she throws her toys all over the place and sometimes they roll too close to the fence and then she can't go back. Yeah that's not unusual since she is trained with this fence though. It really is looking like you're going to have to keep her on that fence so that she can always hear that tone to let her know to back off all right man. Thanks for the call thank you. We've got another hour of animal. Come and thinks of Chrissy Newman. Come out coming by. Talk talking to us about The pit road pets and Congratulations to her husband. The mis today taking place and Thank you for your calls. We're going get to the more of them very shortly here. On Animal Talk. We have a professional standing by. Who can help you out sitting next to me down and I'm here to answer. Training Questions The gentleman on the far side of the table. I'm Dr Brad Davis. I'm here to answer any veterinary questions. You might have if you have a question about a reptile or fish. Some something scaly or aquatic Our boy rourke at reptiles safari dot. Org He's standing by to help you out with those and my name's Jamie. I'm just here to make sure everybody has a Fonzie of radio and I'm stuffed up today for some reason. So I'm biologist me amy. I needed puffer right now. Henry winklers going to call in on that. We're going to help you with your pets. That's what we're GONNA do and Collar poll today We have a caller poll out there because Friday. The twenty third is bring your dog to work day and People say there's just lots of benefits. People are more productive to get along with their co workers. More they get along with their bosses more. It's a more creative environment. There's less stress and So bring your pets to work so as national. Take your pet to work day and Do you take your pet to work. Have you ever taken your pitch in and do you? Do you have one of those fantastic find companies that will allow you to take your pet to work. Give us a call if you want to chime in on that. We Have Lynn in Idaho with a problem with a Cat Lynn. Welcome animal talk. I just wanted to Talk to the lady who was talking about a cat meeting carrier in the car. Do you Does how do you do? You have a couple of cats. Several years ago in in Idaho Sun Valley Idaho. A cat was loosen. The car and went under the gas pedal on the break and a CIA. An eight year old child was orphaned and the cat died. Wow Jay another other pointer that it is really important to have like nothing carriers. Yes because the cats love to crawl around and get in the dark spots and it's up under there and so yeah I get scared and they get scared and if they can impair your driving they start grabbing. You going nuts. They get something everybody down the car they jump on it. There's endless possibilities for problems. Yeah yeah that's it. I take my work would type of job. Do you have houses? But he just hangs out by. The car is fantastic. All right all right Lynn. Thanks for the call and Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there. Happy Birthday Yeah but And all the pet dad's if you don't have any biological children but you've got some free children and you take care of him while you're a nurturing caring person and that's what the day is all about celebrating that so And marketing like abby. Father's Day to you. 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We just have bad aim. That's what it sounds like this assign luster. Yeah the easiest way would be to get a hooded cat box or the clever cat box where the come down from the the top loaders. I call That really cuts down on the mess. If they've got a hooded one available or find one that's a little bit higher or a little tent they have Wins the the automated? When I have has a little tent that goes over letterman. Yeah let me not. All cats tolerate that. But if your cat will that'll be the psalm mixed for you fan. We'll talk BAA. Does your cheated. Never Win Talk. It's animal talk and we're playing a game. It's called back or fiction. We have three facts. Two of them are false. One is absolutely true. Gets the true fact and We have a fantastic prize for you. Eight hundred five nine nine. Two three one in the first fact would be act one. The most common group of dog to win best in show at Westminster Dog. Show in New York. Is The non working group. Thanks to the numerous wins by poodle. Sake you poodles number two Tiber Whales which looks like a cross between a Dolphin Killer Whale Migrate East and West along the southern coast of Africa not North and south and our third fact. The weddell seal once had a dive length recorded at seventy three minutes underwater. Weddell so Put them in a globe in in in downtown New York and and you could be a TV show. David David Blaine using their water for all right. Eight hundred fifty. I don't know not long enough. That was a raffle at. What are you clutching? Actually I have a story that relates. It's not part of the news but I have a story that relates to your question. Oh what is the question of the day is taking your dog to work. Yes colorful today. Yes is It did take your dog to work day on Friday. Have you ever taken your pet to work or do you plan on taking your pet to work on your work? And this from East Point Michigan. A judge has been ordered to keep her dogs at home. A stage additional agency says the dogs places in the home and is ordered. A suburban Detroit judge to stop bringing terriers lurch and Lizard into court. The State Court Administrative Office an Agency of the Michigan Supreme Court this week contact at each point district. Judge Marine Redmond about the dogs They said animals don't understand. The court proceedings are not to be disturbed core serious places and respect for the court needs to be maintained dogs and other pets can inject a note of informality that is not appropriate She's been bringing the dogs to work since two thousand and four She says the dogs bring calm to the tense courtroom and attraction for schoolchildren. Which again you want to try to see how many school turning get to come to court. And she says police officers and attorneys also enjoy the dogs. I'm sure they do and the employees honor dog and he let go of my finger now. She said the employees love having the dog. It brings a sense of happiness. Everybody who frequents the court knows pet friendly workplace and so but she had not take her dogs to to to the to work. And that was a good stenographer you tended to give the the sentences in dog years All right it was very reminiscent of news bit. It was like a news because the new study with a stupid communism. And she's not allowed to bring her dog. Yeah and actually. I could see that being disruptive in a courtroom. Would you know if the dog stayed back and chambers or something or with the secretaries or clerks or whatever you know yeah fine but not not in the court room itself if there was a preceding sounds like something from a bad movie? It really does. I if I'm if I'm if I'm you know looking at some time for doing a crime you WanNa be distracted with Fred. The bird on his show turn to the judge with his sleeping bloodhounds at his feet. So it sounds like you. Picture like If you have a courtroom with dog front like Joe Pesci ub saying utes somewhere. I thought immediately of my cousin that so there is a there is a level where that silliness and of course like let's say you know if your surgeon he can't be bringing the dog the work you know table scraps but no you can't do that But what I'm getting at is Miami. People can bring their dogs bringing their pets too. And have you work in a factory or online someplace again? Not a place conducive to take a pet. And what pets can you take? What about What if you have reptiles in scares the person around you? If it's going to be disruptive but it'd be interesting to see if you take to school. I had long hair. And he's to hide sitting in the back of where a big big shirt that had a hood on it. So you'd hide in the hood and then when he had to go potty he'd crawl out to my shoulder and I walk over to the nearest potted plant and he'd walked down into the potted plant go potty and then come back. Open the door to the weird world. His name was Wendell. When does my reds name Donna to talk to a matter of time? Short-circuiting jumped on the fast. Will you take your pet to work on your take the pet to workday coming up this Friday? Big Big national thing now. Big National thing is father's day that's going on today. Happy Father's Day to all our dads out there and Yate gay for Dads and of course you can always visit our website. Animal Talk Radio Dot Com. You can send us emails from their meals and we'll go for the emails you gotTa Animal Information there. What do we got deer animal talk? Was this fan mail from flounder. How afraid do I have to be of my dog getting worms? I've heard that worms can be a problem for my kids as well as the dog. The dog can give the children worms. Is this true? What can I do to prevent my dog from getting them? Thanks a lot and the signed Rhonda all right. Well this is it heartworms or is it intestinal or are there different kinds of worms intestinal worms? Kids can get really and roundworms kids can get and Not to mention the one celled parasite's Giardi in the city but they can get that for many anywhere to get that from the environment but Ramses hookworms children can get it and yes yes. They can be blinded by them. Yes the Ken because what happens. Is these worms get in the GI tract of a of a kid and they have a map for a dog and they end up going to the wrong place. It's kind of like being in Toronto with the Chicago Map. You're to find the loop no matter how often you drive around right so but again it's It's it's pretty easy to prevent these parasites Hartford. Hartford hard not hard but harvard. Plus our guard play soccer plus plus of course the Cajun Flavor are card plus the plus is takes care of the intestinal parasites prevents the parasites. They can cause problems for kids and we'll go but But again this is one of the things that As a new deal for vets to fear about lawsuits because of a child gets intestinal parasites. And you don't recommend that you that you have the dog on heart worm you can be sued and not just stay Not just a pet lawsuit. We're talking about a child being blinded. That's a gigantic thing and I'm not belittling the child being blind but I'm saying it's not a good thing for anybody involved ugly situation so yeah and And these and these parasites are in the Environment. Just about everywhere. That's why parents always tell the kids. Don't walking a field barefoot really and and going one step further. Here's your statistic that you'll be telling everybody at work tomorrow okay. Seventy five percent of the population of people have intestinal parasites. Seventy five percent have intestinal parasites mostly tapeworms or or or or pin worms. Something like that. But seventy percent have intestinal parasites in this room. You think well there's three of us here is the fourth person probably had them. Rich rourke nurse she should be Rec for a hunting dog pointing is rude. Yeah Give Animal Talk. And of course we have hanging out there. We have that factor fiction. We have three facts. Two of them are false. One is absolutely true. You guess the true fact and we have a fantastic animal talk prize for you and the first fact back number one. The most common group of dog to win best in show at the Westminster Dog. Show in New York. Is The non working group. Thanks to the numerous wins by poodles and number two Tiber. Whales which look like a cross a dolphin and a killer whale migrate East and West along the southern coast of Africa. Not North and south of the third fact is the Weddell seal Once had a dive length recorded at seventy three minutes underwater. Seventy three minutes underwater for the Whitfield Art. Two of those are false. One is true. Guess the true facts and We'll hook you up with something very cool for you and your pet. Aj Madonna Dr Brad. Its annual talk. We like to have a little fun along the way. It's time for the bad animal. Joke of the week boost all right time for the bat animal joke of the week of you'd like to submit a joke field three ascended to Jamie animal talk. Radio DOT COM Dr Brad Jaja. What is yellow and smells like Bananas Jamie? I don't know and smells like bananas. Lucky vomit catering over here. It's no joke submitted by our very own Donna. Plumbing it wasn't just it's not my joke. I can't take full credit for that. That was actually. My father's joke used to tell me when I was a kid. That was the thing there you go eight hundred two five nine nine two three one going to help you with your always Take bad animal jokes to sentiment in sharing with everybody else jokes about and We have rock on the line as well. Rourke hey how you doing. Excellent work Glad you're here did you hear that Bad Animal Joke. You know that would have been my question. I'm sitting here with a spider monkey ring tailed. Lemur and a big. They'll just tell me you just went into a bar with a rabbi. And you've made my day got an e mail question for you. We gotta and and some other stuff but first we got mark in Omaha. Who wants to take a shot at her factor fiction? We've got those three facts hanging out there mark. Welcome to animal talk. Hey has gone. Excellent mark Before we get into the factor fiction. What kind of pets do you have? I've got a chocolate lab. Several okay and coming up on the twenty-third Friday. The twenty third is take your pet to work day Will you take your pets at work? Can you take your Pets Award? I? I'd I'd love to but I'm a house arrest officer and I don't want her driving around and traffic and jumping out and getting hit by cars and stuff like that all right but Yeah right okay. So we're gonNA recap these three facts for you and You can take a shot at here. You go back to one. The most common group of dog to win best in show at Westminster Dog. Show in New York. Is The non working group. Thanks to numerous wins by poodles bring number two Tiber whales which looked like a cross between a dolphin and a killer. Whale Migrate East and West along the southern coast of Africa not North and South and the third factor Weddell seal once had a dive linked record recorded at seventy three minutes underwater. Which one of those is the true fact? I think it's fact number to the Dolphin oils. No Mark Sorry. Thank you mark so I have to read. That Long. Backed really appreciate it. Appreciate your joke is Brown and smells like Bananas and Oh good good. I like that one mark. I appreciate that. Thanks for the call. Old Bananas Bananas Star Trek the sequel was better than the train really was down to a fifty fifty on that factor. Fiction backed one backed one sees. I find it again. Okay fact one. Most Common Group of dog to win best in show at Westminster Dog. Show in New York. Is The non working group. Thanks to numerous wins by poodles and the the next one a weddell seal once at a dive link record recorded at seventy three minutes underwater. They guess which one of those is true and win a fabulous prize for you and your pet but we have on the line. It is take your pet to work day coming up on the twenty-third but rourke pets are your work. So you're you're always taking a more working with them so that's a kind of a redundant question to ask you. You are pets. Twenty four seven animals and pets twenty four seven. That's that's one hundred percent correct. I'm actually on vacation right now. Excellent the beautiful santee Cooper Lakes in South Carolina Lake Marian surrounded by alligators out. Here we had twenty nine at one count yet. I'm still sitting here with spider. Monkey retailed lever and a baby pot-bellied pig. Those are some travelling partners right there. Where's the reading? The bottle fed. You have to take them with you even on Asian Jamaica twisted Bremen town musicians thing going all right. We got an e mail question for you if you want to give this one. A shot deer rock. You're having new mail in your inbox. All right do snakes have teeth and snakes have teeth. Yeah well how do you think they chew their food? Actually snakes don't chew their food this well but that's a great question and I'll tell you why snakes are actually defined by their dentition first of all. The typical snakes are called a glyphosate. They have solid bone teeth and they use those to grab prey and hold them from getting away. Then you have the pistole glyphosate snakes which have solid teeth but they have hollow rear fangs. And they're called rear fanged or mildly venomous snakes such as boom slacked in mangroves snakes. Then you have the Celente glyphosate snakes. Which is the enemy of the snake kingdom because they have fullback fangs. Those are pit vipers in vibes. They have solid teeth but their fangs. Our Hala to deliver the venom. And then you have like cobras the day and those are short fixed. Fangs that are hollow and they deliver the Venom through that mechanism however they also have solid. Tease take grab their prey much. Grab and the Venom. That's right you can when you can grab your food knits alive. You know. There's not a McDonald's on every Corner Burger King out there in the jungle you gotta grab it and hold it and that can be difficult and some snakes are born with an eight two and that's how get out of the Ray. Snakes have teeth I gotta take a quick break. More quest more your calls coming up and more your questions. And that factor fiction animal talk is your frog on his last legs give animal talk. It's golic bumper music coming in their springsteen song called part man part monkey springsteen was just He's on tour to some last night. Shoe phenomenal show out of control. He's is the whole folk folk music seeger session thing unbelievable. It was like being a church revival and it was crazy. It was good. You know you you know it's rock and roll when there's a tube in the band so all right. I digress Animal Talk Yeah. That's what it is going to help you with your pets. That's what we're Julia wanted to take a shot at the fact or fiction. Julia listening on. Kfi Be welcomed Animal Talk Julia Collar poll for the day. It's take your pets at work. day on Friday. Can you take your pets of working? And William yes both my husband and I both take Our dogs to work he. He owned his own business as well as I do. Oh very cool. That's so much and it adds to Your Day Really. Does it really does? And all my customers really enjoy my little dog and they all like my husband's dog so excellent workout really. Well all right. Julia we factor fiction there. We have two facts. Let's recap for you really quick. Okay fact one. The most common group of dog to win best in show at the Westminster Dog. Show in New York. Is THE NON Working Group? Thanks to numerous wins by poodles and the second fact is a Weddell seal. Once had a dive length recorded at seventy three minutes underwater Julia which one is the true facts? I think back number one is true. You know I'm sorry shirt really down. But the poodles did win but There's another one that the military got my blue. What's going on with your dog She's she's about six years old and she's had problems her whole life and she was a puppy when we first got her. I found out. She's making bad knees bad hips and ever since she was a puppy. We've had trouble but Just yesterday my husband call was out of town and he said when she's breathing out. She makes a really loud rasping almost coughing noise every time she exhales man. I know that they have sometimes pomeranians have a problem with collapsing trachea. But I didn't know what that could be or what's going on. Well certainly could be collapsing trachea. Usually that's inhaling as much more than X. hailing inhaling is it's an active process pulling in air it's an not an active process pushing air out it just releases you don't have to push out of your body it just comes out naturally But something is it is it a snarky noise Or is it something that we're just seeing a lot of like like a? Is it like an engine like a car? That has a bad muffler. Would it would it? How would you describe it? It's real? It's very raspy. I don't really know how to explain. A couple of things that could be going on and again it's impossible to diagnose something like this over the phone as you can imagine but what we're dealing with more than likely is either backwards sneeze where they started smoking and they bring up they they snark air out. They can't do that sound. That does that every now and then all. This was all day long every time she acts hailed. Okay then this could be a little bit of an infection or a problem within the Trachea. The larynx the voice box And so what we could be seeing is a little again a little bit of a Raspy nece caused by that and possibly even a lung problem more than likely it's up higher because of how deep you're saying this is usually the higher pitched the further down it is but I would deaf. This is something you're obviously someone who's on the ball. You obviously Take care of your animal. You're just rattling off Just just you're not just saying it's that thing with the problem with the thing you know what's going on you know all the term so obviously take pretty good care of your critter. I would definitely get things checked out. I think this be anytime you get into a breathing problem. It's worth getting a stethoscope on the chest to see what's going on and allergy problems. You have allergies as possible. Usually allergy show themselves for the skin more than they show themselves through the through the respiratory system. It could even some aspiration. Pneumonia we could have An inhaled some drunk some water so quickly in the warm weather that we got some down the trachea Something like that's very possible but I tell you what it's really worth getting a quick exam done. Just get the best to take a quick peek. And hopefully they'll just say nothing here. You Go Man. Everything will be fine and everything will be. But it's what's worse is if they say you know what these long sound really loud. What's going on here and made me take a picture but anytime you have a breathing concern. It's it's well we're checking up for it gets OUTTA hand. Okay when she does sleep Kind of strange. Her nose runs a lot. Salim like a puddle on the floor and she's just a little six thousand dollars. Yeah that's definitely were taking because that could be anything in the nose from it could be anything from And I'm not trying to scare you. There's certain words you use and people get scared and they don't hear anything else you say okay could be cancer but it could also be a fungal infection. It could be just a bacterial infection. It could even a foreign body. We could've snuck off the floor that stuck in there like a needle or something like that. I think it's a real worth getting things checked out. Okay all right. Good luck to Jim in Omaha listening on. Kfi BE JIM. Welcome animal talk. Hello what's going on? rourke if you're paying attention what's going on with your Snakes here well. I have three snakes Corn Snake Plains Garter snake and Brown water snake and always been giving them bottled water and once in a while the bottle of water were full have fish and feeder fish. I wonder if I could use. We have core. I mean in the waters he pronounced for mean here in the water here and I have Chemicals remove the court. I mean so I was wondering if I could be coronate the water I give it to the snakes that D- coronate or harm snakes. All right well hang on to that thought for just a minute. Jim and Rourke answer that for you as soon as we get back from this break. We'll also get to your questions as well and we have jim listening on Kfi be. Jim had a question about his next. He has a couple of different kinds of snakes and had in the past gave them bottled water to drink any at a question about Some water in a tank. And if it's safe for them to drink it if it's a certain types of chlorination in Iraq did you catch all that yeah and you know this Jim guy sounds like a real serpent of file and that can be a good thing. Look Jim you're going the extra mile and giving him the The bottle of water and that's commendable because you placed their safety and well-being above the bulge in your wallet. But let me tell you my friend. Snakes are some of the strongest reptiles and if it's the water's good for fish. It's good for snakes. You don't have to the coronate. The water for snake tap water is just fine. What we can drink they can drink but like alcohol in moderation all right so Gym where you catch that. Yeah all right then. Answer your question for you yeah. Excellent Jim with reptiles. Will you take your pets to work date and take the pet? The Work Day. I couldn't on a cruiser. Then they'd get hot and all that. Yeah Yeah that'd be if you're out on the roads. It's definitely not the weather to have your pets in the car. That is for all right. Jim Thanks so much for the call. Thank you all right and was Laurie still holding. John was still lorries bomber. All right so we're GONNA ask Lori about her pets but All right so rourke your nursing a Lemur. How's that work exactly well. I'm actually using a bottle because I'm not built for nursing cooking visual go and it was freaking me out a little bit. Hey how about that guy in the cruiser I thought they used to beat the citizens with rubber hoses. And now they're using snake- SNAKES. Um Mercy all right rourke well thanks so much for chiming in. I'm glad we had Some people that Got Some help from you today. Enjoy your vacation and have a good father's Day because I know your father all cruise right brother we'll talk to you soon and That's so much fun too much fun with that guy. All right. Here's a question That came through. I have a baby raccoon. And we'd like to have them vaccinated but no vets in my area will let me do it. Can I order the vaccine to do it myself? Yes you can. You can order it all. You want to do anything. Sued Taraf repellents constant by a draft. But it's one of those things that Really aren't Whether you vaccinate your your your coon for Lepto it won't protect against Lepto. It's not made for coons. It's not the wising and you're putting yourself in danger. Moving wild animal really I mean are there any truly domesticated raccoons no for all the people who deal with with Pets and dogs. Don't WanNa do it but you do. Leave the wildlife wild all right thanks. Christi Newman for Chiming in Ryan. Newman number twelve And his wife. Chrissie pit road pets their coffee table book from NASCAR CAR. -gratulations Ryan Coming fifteen today out an mis and It's a good way to go. Thank you for your calls and of course. There's always Evan Exotic Week and kiss while thing for me. Decastro take provide. That will do it for another episode of Animal Talk. Thanks for being with us. Don't forget like subscribe comment on I tunes or wherever you found as it all helps. Thanks to Sam or new intern for all the work. She's doing of course. Thank you for being here again until next time. Evan Exotic Week. Kiss your wild thing for me.

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