17 Burst results for "Blackjack Lanza"
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
"Beginning. The Egg. Was the carbon cooker. I love the way say that from day one. No nothing inbetween. Hey. It could be this guy. It could be that guy we could do. This could be that it was coming. From. The beginning right to be mascot. Chicken right. So Dave as usual. One, hundred percent. Ten thousand percent. Completely wrong fabricated just. Okay. Still, he's still making up Shit. Let's talk about superstars. You guys had an angle on here which we've recently talked about their brother Love's segment where Rick Martel what spray arrogance and jake robbery hang on, hang on, hang on him but it it is good that mark thought for a little while he was. That he was going to be hatched in the come out. Yeah. You'RE GONNA go from being a bad acid WCW to Egg Man. Yeah we just destroyed his career deadly. Yeah I wish you. something. Better. Yeah. What unique come up with a funny angle for Jake and Damian of course, arrogance being sprayed in their face with rick, Martel. But the other fun thing that happens on the brother love show in this era, the ultimate warrior put address a wig on you and called you sisterlove. And said, it's just another dress for savage to hide behind. What are you remember this segment that we sometimes get tagged on online I thought it was very mean. Thought it was unprofessional very, very maine. I was very nice guy and I didn't deserve to be treated that way. You know. Shit it was a A lot of fun and I enjoyed doing that shit I enjoyed the diaper stuff with Piper. And in the shaving kit, and this was one that actually enjoyed with warrior with the whole whig sisterlove stuff and I wanted to do like a big giant Bra with all kinds of stuffing popping out of the top and shit like that. Have more fun course he didn't want to. He didn't want to do. Like if you're GONNA, do it no and do. You slip. Let's come on. Let's get ridiculous man you WanNa go fucking crazy. Let's go fucking crazy man. But it was actually believe it or not. That was lot of fun and it was something to do a being tied to savage and all that other shit and it was. Go do that before I got serious we'll take her Another thing that POPs. Up in the news that never heard about meltzer would say backstage in Oakland. There was a fight between Kerr handing and born Zubkov. Ord was There was few serious blows were thrown before blackjack Lanza threatens to dock both guys some pay and then they break it up. But apparently, borst was getting the better of it and Meltzer says think about it are you going to hurt that head? What do you remember Curtain Boris Getting into it for here I, don't. I. I don't remember that at all and I find it. If that, if that actually did happen I think it would take an awful lot because Jim Nelson Bor- Aka Bono Zubkov is probably one of the easiest going guys you never WanNa meet it's gotta be a real Bright Kurt love to rid people maybe he ripped him. Far. Yeah. Now. That I could see that I could see and I could see just pushing Jim to that point where was like fuck you Kurt Kurt went up neither guy back down. But Hey, here's a true statement that dynamite Dave actually made you couldn't hurt that head of war Zucca. Let's talk about something else that's happening in this era we should mention that you know the the fight with Crockett is over he's out of the Biz. Now air you go crack a cold tonight. Hey by the way since we're talking about Kobe averages, you you've got some special deliveries at the HP recently you made a plea for help here and boy that our listeners here something to wrestle armie did they come out in force for your what? Holy Shit? Okay. The greatest beverage in the entire world sobe water. Blood. Orange Mango, the single grace beverage ever made great naked mankind. You can't get it up here in a Pepsi representative that actually DM me and said, Hey, man, they don't make it anymore but you know what? The something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard listeners but got they don't take no for an answer. You know why Conrad because there's three kinds of people in this world there are those tried those give their best shot, and then there are those listening to this podcast. Love US and they do whatever the fuck it takes. Okay. So imagine imagine the delight when my my assistant is A. Three foot four but she comes in and she's like, Oh, my God, they're these huge heavy boxes. And, she brings man and puts it. What is it I lifted up and immediately I knew that. Boxes of SOBE WATER OF BLOOD ORANGE MANGO, sobe water might call gate mentioned him couple weeks ago right Yes face sent me.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on Cheap Heat
"Don't even tell you about this dip. Did my Saturday night was mean graves hung out got a bite to eat whatever then graves wanted to go to bed. I. Said I'M GONNA go downstairs and meet Booker and jbl who are watching the UFC. So I met I met Booker and JBL and we watch the UFC in the at the hotel. the Bubble Hotel and we sat there watching and without fail we ended up in multiple wrestling conversations in which booker and JBL are just talking and it's like it's so much better. I'm so I wish my goal in life is to one day and I'm not saying I'm not a good interviewer but to be as good an interview or on on the show as I am when I'm just sitting with two guys at a bar 'cause I mean I'm just asking for they started talking about blackjack Lanza and I was like. Who doesn't want to hear about that? 'cause there because they were they were talking about the state of wrestling today and who's who's teaching who wear the wrestlers learn, how to do their matches and how who they and who the agents were when they were there. So I say, well, who were the agents? And and starts about BLACKJACK, Lanza. And then is like, let me tell you story about blackjack Lanza. And, then he tells a story about. How when he first started started working with blackjack, Lanza had been wrestling for twelve years already but he just got into the company and they did it how show And, he loses to the heel and the he'll leaves and goes up the ramp and so booker just does what he always does, which is you know gets out of the ring and walks back up and gives five to the people who are one to five and when he gets up there blackjack lenses like what the hell are you doing kid let me let me let me tell you what to do. We're going to have the same match tomorrow night. Here's what I want you to do. Boy when you lose. I want you to sit there on your on your knees the whole time. The, he'll is going back up the ramp. Let the he'll get all the way back up the ramp and through the curtain. And then finally make it up to your feet. A classic trump. Booker chiming booker tries it gets to his feet in ovation from the entire arena. Walks out just shakes like one hand and just kind of like waves to the appreciation. The little details that change absolutely everything. And the impact that's made when you're learning it from. Iconic wrestlers who understood the business. How many times have we seen that I mean we've seen all the time history. Yeah. Shawn Michaels. Show Mike leaves and then Rick Flair gets up and then it's just like. Like you said the explosion of of making it to your laws I know I know so. I don't know how I got there. What were we talking about in terms of this card that led to me telling you about watching with about listening to Oh, I'm not an old school wrestling guy as what I was saying what and you said, yes, I am but I was saying relative to Booker and jbl or name before that. What were we talking about? Skin Selena Vega Okay Yeah Oscar and Zelina Vigo Yelling Greg for for Salty. Oh. Yes. Again here we go. I'm not some old school wrestling guy but I will say this. You can't just throw the way to build a story or build a character in this case, which is Lena. Vega's wrestler. You don't start off by having just lose to the champion twice like that's short cutting that skipping over building her up. It's just being like, Hey, if we just put her in with Oscar real quick as long as she survives, you know she'll win points and it's a put. She didn't deserve to be there in the first place and I see I see this as a personal friend of the real person and I really want her to have a meaningful match and I'm happy for her but like that's not how you do. It Zelina Vegas should be building as a character then get the Oscar match and she shouldn't win that Oscar match but then she should compete with Oscar and earn some respect and then the next time she faces Oscar you really believe it is credible. They're going to rush this and they'll probably put her in with Oscar get a week and think that we're going to believe she's going to beat earn a week. Yeah and I like you said that's the way they should have done it unfortunately. They didn't. I don't know why they didn't, but they didn't. It's because decisions are being made on the fly. Things are being done on. You know last minute there's not. Thought being put into any of this allow but. But there, but let's go back now to the the Randy drew match. Which? You know listen I know they'll be people who hate on it, and in fact I heard from one of them Brian who texted me during the match descent. At least think he was descent maybe he meant the positive way but certainly knowing personality, you wouldn't assume so. Listen it was a big old sh- mas but boy, do they make you fun? They made that match fun I ended up caring about it at the end even even having Rick flair come in just to drive the ambulance was fun. By the way when we were in rehearsal doing it talking about that match I I found myself struggling to say ambulance right rehearsal. For the kickoff show. Oh, I mean. We were when we were when we were testing our Mike I was just saying I was. Talking about the rehearsal for them and. What? Our hearts they don't do. I don't live that way. No No. I was saying for me I was like ambulance ambulance amp you say ambulance. Who Says Ending Lance I think New York is say ambulance. Let's see. I sold by. Argue this for an hour and I think I think there are people obviously as you say ambulance. Don't they? You say Berg I say. My God. I don't know this. I'm I'm sick. I'm. I. Dip What do you say?.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on We Watch Wrestling
"Think this is not in an arena. Yeah so I think he says Blackjack Lanza you know. Wests into the office and that apparently nails had like both hands around Vince his neck and was going to kill him. Low was like strangling him was going to choke him out. Like Don's and then like I guess by like Brett like I I didn't get involved but I just sit there and I watched it all happen and I was like incredible. So did we don't know if it was like related to a payoff or it Brett speculated and then he started kind of talking about how you know. Just not just Vince. But all promoters will tell you like whatever you need to hear like. He's like you know every wrestler thinks they should be the top guy. Yeah and every promoter will say oh. Arrests are like yeah. We've got big plans for you down the road and he's like but it's just blowing smoke you know But he was mainly what God gay well he was just trying to remember who broke it up that it was like Lanza and you know Sarge was probably there and somebody else. Yeah when was remember when when was George Steele? He was a an agent for a little while wasn't he? I think the late eighties early nineties. Yeah probably in this area because I remember what makes me remember. That is because Van. Piero claims that he was at a show and George Steele was backstage and George Steele was asking him all sorts of questions about.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"What were the circumstances of your jump from Awa to the WWF? How did how did that come about well you know? There's been a lot of rumors and what really happened. Don't want to get into the the the personal stuff but after the wrestle rock rumble the big show at the Metrodome. I I was done that that was it for me. And I told Mike Shields who worked in the office. It was kind of the producer that that was it. I was just just done And a day or two later Blackjack Lanza who is now then an agent for WWF. And Jack and I stayed very close in fact we just had breakfast a few months ago. He called to say you know not revealing any secrets. But how did this show what were some of the finishes. Yeah just want to hear about it because he was out of town so I told him we talked about. You know what went on and what the crowd was like and you know what it was like. It's a dome and you know. Just the the atmosphere and then he said you know anything else happened. I said no no not really I said well I quit but you know other than that. Nothing and he started laughing. You didn't believe me Jack. I'm I'm up. I am totally holy done. And he said what are you gonNA do. And before I got into television I was actually a district sales manager for Chrysler Corporation not a dealership but at the corporate level. And I already called the guys from Chrysler and we're GONNA meet Either the end of this week or next week. And hopefully we're going to go back to to price in the corporate world. But I'm just done and he said Hey. Look I'm going to be home day after tomorrow. I'll play when when I get home. You know don't do anything until that. No I'm not even seeing you know. Probably the first of the week so he called me when he got home. It was like you know a day or two later and and we talked and he said what. Are you doing for breakfast tomorrow and I said nothing. What's you know it'd be great to see a and you said great I'll pick up and I said you know what time and he goes six? Am and were coat and tie. And I'm like what are you out of your mind six. Am I said. Dad I love you but you know I'm not getting up for breakfast at six. AM he said. He said I'll pick you up. He said I gotTa pick you up at six. Because we're on the seven twenty to laguardia and I said you are so full all of it. He said Vince wants to see you. Jack do you really think I'm GonNa buy this rib. He said favorite hang up call. Northwest Airlines Airlines. Ask them if there's not a prepaid tickets for you and me. I'm at flight and there was and that's what Jack Pick me. Yep I flew out to New York the LIMO picked us both of us jackets and things he was doing in the office and I kind of went through A A- An interview process. I think I spent a little time with George Scott. who was the booker? I spent a little time with Pat. Patterson I think I spend a little time with Freddie blassie and I think everyone kind of blessed me up and then I finally went in and met with Vince but a lot of people thought and you know took I. I'm a were angry that I was another Guy Guy. That Vince hired away trying to destroy the Awa and that is absolutely not true. I had never had any contact with him. Talk Talk to him at all until I had left in very rapid within a couple of days but you know people have said. He hired Oakland Oakland away which he did but have said that he hired me away as well. And that's not true. When you met with Vincent Man Hey I assume you would never been around him before what ever you know? What kind of presence did he have? Compared to earn Ganja Verne was older burn was Of A previous generation of promoters but burn was there used to being one of the very very top power figures in the entire industry been sick man obviously very much by the time you worked for him. uh-huh compare the personalities and how they dealt with you on a personal level The the interview went about an hour and a half. Yeah I I spent with with Vince. he was very professional very straightforward Yeah having interviewed over the years and spent time in the corporate world It was obviously a two faceted interview in that he he wanted to know my knowledge of the business in the how I went about doing things and he also wanted to get to. Yeah no me personally before. He made a decision as to whether he wanted to to hire me. It was a very very I. It was a kind of interview you would expect For the most part for a corporate type interview I mean. Vince is a a very very Intelligence Guy And it was a very corporate for type interview it extensive Thorough on his part. You Know Vincent obviously watched tapes of me and and asked probative but not intrusive questions about me in and the business and then about me personally Salihi. You know my home life You know there was You know asked about You know what I'd do in my spare time what my hobbies are And memory serves you know. Ask questions about you know alcohol all By felt I had a problem with drugs or anything that I mean it. was you know a nose now. You can't get away with that but it was a very very professional probitive interview but My memory of it. There was never any question he asked that I felt it always out of bounds or made me uncomfortable now a pad from Atlanta. VIP member says. Hello Waiting Ken. I can't listen to the show live. Excuse me at this has been talked about. But did Vince McMahon and what can shave his moustache if so this seems odd considering. WWe Broadcasters Juno. Clint Howard Finkel. And Jesse Ventura all had mustaches. I think there's a story there can It was within the first five minutes of the interview. Vince said. Tell me about your moustache And I I was like I didn't really know what he was asking. I remember seeing any kind of laugh at it. Well it's it's Above above my lip below my nose kind of set it on my face. I didn't know and he wanted to know you know what made me decide to to grow it. How Long I've had it? You know whether I was passionate about it really liked it. I answered him and he said So. You know I I have to tell you he said from my standpoint I know we have people with them but he said I I hate facial hair and then he just Kinda stop and I said well if you're asking and if I would be willing to shave it which I think you are. If everything else was fine it would not be an obstacle and AH that was it never said a word and then you know. We talked for about another hour plus And then finally he just stop APP. Didn't see anything looked at me for thirty to forty five seconds opened a desk drawer. pull out a razor a can of shaving cream and says bathroom right through that door and I went in and shaved it and when I came back out and he goes. You just showed me something that when you say something you back it up and at that point you start we already talked you know money and that point he said you start Saturday in Detroit and now that's so bad shape and the and the interesting thing was you you citizens secretaries face when I walked out without her and the the interesting things When I called back back here when I was at the airport waiting to come home and my mother was absolutely thrilled? She never met Vince but she loved him because he hated my mustache And I had had it since my freshman year in college so she was just you know over the mood and that I had saved it but I saved it right INVINCI- office that's that's just great. I remember you telling me that story when I interviewed you. You know twenty years ago or one of my torture books and I remembered it and it's just it's one of those classic man stories you know. He's he's a quirky eccentric individual and he's used to getting his way and he has a different way of testing people and it was a test for you and then he wants you know and it's a big decision to hire somebody. Put Him on the Earth and the your appearance is part of it and if he if you want ponytail you might have asked you to cut the ponytail. Well and I think you're right and by the way just to let you know I remember that yearbook. It had a red cover. Ever with the Black loose-leaf yes you're right. I I think it was. Also you know I've refracted back on it a lot. I think it was also a way of finding out if I was really committed to wanting to be there. Yeah because they had recruited you and or in that position. You know it wasn't like you. You wrote to them to do whatever it takes to have a job. I mean there's people who have applied in that way invincible. Like all right. We recruited him. Let's make sure that he does want this. This is a this is a test and he probably wanted to make sure. You didn't have a weird birthmark there or something But how'd you look in other words Well I'd have been really hot if he had me you saving that. Sorry it's not GonNa work out. I I also know that you know obviously Jack Jack Lanza calls in till to let him know whether internally they had ever had any discussion about me I have no way of knowing but I'm sure he talked to to haul. Oh can you talk to Bobby Heenan as well. But that's not that's Whoever email I forget his name he was right? Shave it right right you know. He had a private bathroom all. Ah pull it out razors. Shaving cream bathrooms right through that door. Funny all right. Let's go to the phone call here by the way our guest today on the torch live test is Ken resnick former Awa and WWF announcer as noted at the top of the show the POW.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"I do believe that there's some people who are wondering who the heck you are and I do want to fuck you. You have to talk about I I I. I've heard that now I will say we've got some. We've got some emails in and We're GONNA get phone calls and they're plenty of people excited to talk to you today and ask questions But I I do for the way background because WWF the WWF wwe. They've gone through a lot of announcers over the years. You were there at a pivotal time and your face is going to start showing up more and more often. WWE Network Archives get added. But you got your start in pro wrestling in the AWA. Ken Do you mind. Just is giving a little bit of a background about how you ended up in the Awa and kind of work your way to The timeline of WWF. And I know we've got some stories about that. Vince McMahon job interview. Oh sure no I'll be glad to wait I was actually doing the sports on the six and ten o'clock news at the NBC affiliate in Rochester Minnesota. Although I kinda commuted still lived in the twin cities and in the mid eighties here in Minneapolis Saint Paul. There was a huge celebrity. Golf Tournament called Duff Celebrity Golf and tennis tournament and I mean they got so the the real a listers. One time they had the cash cast from hillstreet blues they had the cast from Mash so it was a national type celebrity tournament and I had been involved with it before I got started in television and they had an area at the tournament called celebrity corner where they would have someone you know. Bring up the the national celebrities onstage and interview them and talk to them so the crowd could listen and get to know. Oh them a little bit. I on a personal level and I was doing that one year and one of the guests we had was vern Donya on you and I did a thing with burn for about fifteen or twenty minutes and then saw him later that night in the clubhouse and you yeah we talked for a couple of minutes and he wanted to know a little my background and you know I told them and where I was working now and and that was it and about a week and a half later. I get a call at the television station. Rochester and the switchboard operators. Just going crazy. She goes. I don't know if this is true. But there's a man wants to talk to you and he says he's Verne Ganja and you know I took the call and realize it was vern and he said when are you going to be up in the city's next and I told him I was up all weekend. He said how about would. Would you like to have lunch on Saturday. which we did we spent some time and he said what would you think of coming to work for me? And that's how I ended ended up starting in the AWA I. How much of a wrestling fan were you at that point? What kind of experience you had with pro wrestling fan and in the level of interest that you convey I I mean I was a wrestling fan as I think you know you being from this area that that was the real heyday of the AWA? I mean in terms of the crusher and mad dog Rashawn blackjack Lanza Lanza Nick. Bach Winkle Bobby Heenan The the road warriors so I was a wrestling fan in that. When I was around on weekends I certainly would would watch all star wrestling on television and had gone to a few of the shows so I guess the easiest way to put it away? I was a fan I. I wasn't a fanatic. You know coming in you know I. I knew who the baby faces were. Who the heels were you know who are the big names? It's you know I. I certainly had name recognition and and facial recognition so. I wasn't coming into a ice cold but at the same time it was one hundred and eighty degrees from you know doing sports on the six ten o'clock news. Oh Oh Yeah I mean all that by road warrior. Hawk is quite different than sitting behind a desk or going to a local basketball game or or that kind of thing man. What commission exactly? Yes absolutely Oh I was just going to go to Scott passenger who Emailed and said he had a question but apparently I didn't get to in quite quick enough so i WanNa know our phone numbers. If you WANNA talk to. Ken resnick. The phone number is six four. Six seven two one nine eight two way that has six four four six seven two one nine eight two eight. I'm Ken when you when you signed with Awa Or started working for them you were. It was the midst midst of of a pretty big wrestling war. Gene Oakland in institution in the Awa especially in the Saint Paul Minneapolis area or aws based A Ah very popular figure and and and kind of the face of the company more than Joe Biden crusher. How did you were you aware of the pressure fresher face the day that you showed up in gene? Oakland wasn't there D Don't shoulders well to correct you. When I came same gene was still there and you know I was actually fulltime? I was working in the office as well so the plan was us for me to to. You know. Spend a couple of weeks which I did you know during the interviews just watching gene and then I started off doing the the smaller markets. Like if I remember the first interviews I did for were stationed in in Lacrosse Wisconsin. So Oh that was the plan that I was going to kind of be a backup and learn you know the I mean I knew television was fine in front of a camera. You know more than intimidated but to kind of learn that way so gene was still there for a few weeks and then all the sudden gene was just gone he left in. I was the guy so at that point. There was a lot of pressure and also so from the fact that the the wrestler's talent really didn't know me yet and there wasn't a trust built up And I was very lucky in that having worked in really work more closely with blackjack Lanza who also worked in the office. Jack Kid Kid be kind of told them. Hey this guy is okay you can trust him. Yeah he's not out to show you up he's out to put put you over so that part came came very quickly but I know in my mind I said to myself. I can't imagine what might have happened. Had I not been. They're not talking about myself but had gene just just up and left and someone have been throwing into that where you know just from the get go and I mean it was very difficult for me. Ah But I was lucky in that I was able to learn from the likes of Jack. Lanza Nick Back Winkle and Bobby Heenan and and I remember when it all happened sitting down with Jack and I never forgot the two best pieces of advice anyone ever gave me came from. I think it was Jack and Nick Bach Winkle together when we were talking Jack Acces. Let me give you tell you two things. You're following Gene Oakland. which is pretty big shoes to try and fill so be yourself be? Ken resnick. Dole's try and be gene Orland and the other a piece of advice which I never ever forgot he said to me you know what the best way to get yourself over in. This business is with with the boys and the fans and I said no tell me he said the best way to get yourself over is. Don't try and get yourself over uh-huh and those were the two things where wherever I went and even other shows that that I did you know years later I I never forgot. It always remembered those two things and when I was getting ready to tape whatever I was doing I always repeated those things in my mind right before we started searching for more great pro wrestling. Talk and join me. Jason Powell host him to flee weekly pro wrestling boone own podcast.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"B. C. temperature holding at forty seven are we going to take your calls meaning that might be out of your time frame I might need your help we're our own group but he also lives in Illinois so that means it could be that issue as well okay we'll find out right now our time room once through our trip Jack hello Tyrone hello Morgan hello been enrolled any hi Tyrone how are you tonight hi Malaika to like I tell everybody I'm always in between that would make you a tweener right that's right okay well first of all your your what were you familiar with Black Jack Mulligan I was an I seem to remember you asked about him once before while a baby a year or two ago you're gonna you're gonna ask what promotion he was in the Midwest or something along those lines no no I wanted to ask you I want to ask you what was he like in in real life I well it was a tough guy I mean he legit when somebody would not want to mess with you know I think there was a story with him an entree that got into it I or they may not have gotten along and of course there's the famous stabbing story with Black Jack and Bob what fatness seventies Morgan when fan lunged at him yes yeah so but he he passed away about three years ago yeah of course that he's known of the father Barry Windham WWE hall of Famer blackjack it leaves and what the other blackjack Lanza and I have another son that was a pro wrestler name Kendall Windham guy who worked for Jim Crockett promotions in the eighties that Barry what number but the headliner all around Florida and in being with the four horsemen and the NWA but Black Jack you is that you know him and Bruiser Brody in the seventies and eighties were considered it to contest Hey guys of course next Andre the giant that you didn't want to mess with so and and he played I think I wanna say he played for the jets or was cut by the just before getting signed for it is American football career but and of course it is famous for going to tex Texas western college which became the university of Texas at el Paso so but he was but generally one of the toughest guys in the seventies and eighties and die I think he balked world class championship wrestling for a little bit of time and I I wanna say he may have owned a promotion a regional promotion at some point and it would take Murdock somewhere in Texas in either the seventies or eighties to have this kind of memory but he was really what might have been Amarillo hi there it's very well that could have been yeah he was definitely promoter Booker in the south and I want to say he co owned a Texas promotion with that Dick Murdoch after the song sold it to and and I don't know how long it lasts but I'm under the impression that didn't last more than a few years and he and lance or were in docket in the WWE hall of fame in two thousand six by Bobby and then so but here are incredible career retort everywhere and I remember him in Florida doing that angle with Kevin sellaband where they took the glass doors I think in nineteen eighty five or eighty six and you know some people the magazines after magstripe portrayed as rail course he just played it himself but that it was definitely not the greatest big man a wrestler some would say battery bam bam Bigelow but he was definitely one of the better brawlers in the seventies and eighties and and was a bad guy and some promotions and a good guy in others and cheer with birds of Brody and and you know those type of guys actors than that a great career so hopefully you know rest in peace and you're gonna good place right now okay have you ever heard of a wrestler the brat went went by the name of Freddie Prosser are pretty sweet ten I heard of birds of Bob sweet tan from Texas not Freddie suite ten there was a guy Bob suite ten who wrestle permits out sport and labor bill watched in the early and late seventies early eighties but now it's ready unless they are different for ailing as right right Freddy twenty one pretty well Freddie sweet and always arrest where that was mainly known tragically he he fell asleep when he lit a cigarette and he was inside a cabin in Canada and the cabin burnt down in that so he was killed and that's the main story about Freddie sweets and but him and Bob sweet and used to be a tag team that started out from Calgary but they were unknown is is killer Coxon kale **** then you record of them I heard a killer Carl **** that is that one of the same no this was a different killer **** this killer **** last name started with a C. not a K. any was not to be confused with Carl **** even though it was confusing you know but Russell be wrestled with Bob sweet and as killer **** with the C. the greatest for any gas we can apparently here yeah and as a rough as a wrestler name rock hunter is still alive there was a guy in California rock under way I wanna stay Alice is first name and I don't think he's alive anymore I would have to look it up on the internet and get back to Morgan an attic in Beijing zero but I'm under the impression it's not market work what part of the country did you mainly cover as being the wrestling know what all business well we did a radio show that was based in Brockton mass but of course we covered everything week we watched all the shows back then syndication it wasn't as great as the ones that as a weapon in the eighties but in the early nineties wrestling was still a thing on a lot of cable channels and the if the WCW was just getting going with the whole and up to you invasion and you know there were other Indies that were out there I don't think so boldly was it just as he was around more immediate bursts of the mid nineties but Debbie Debbie abhors the native you'd like it to be I was kind of by the way side by them but there were Indians all throughout the world that we would cover we'd read the news letters and talk about the news every week with our correspondents out we try to be a legitimate news center for the entire world the pro wrestling before the internet took up and read it and so forth later in the late nineties and really you've got stories actualities from some of the people that work in the wrestling business correct yes we had Kowalski on we have Bruno on a few times loop as we are very young Paula back when he was terrorizing and I'll have to play some of the ideal sometime on your show Morgan but what's funny is when you're young kid he just signed with WCW and he was making fun of the WWF and district manager trying small crowds and this and that and if you play the idea now I think a lot of people would laugh because these apparently the heir apparent to Vince McMahon running the WWE but yeah there's a lot of back end of dope dole type of stories throughout it we have Brian Pillman on a bunch of times so it was great fun and we've had talks with different media people out there to do something with the tape library including the big guys in Connecticut so we'll see what happens with that we're doing something with the tape library AT and I am trying to figure out the best course of action time to let you go okay Morgan we get some information that will do you some good okay before I go we'll let him answer a question about what did he think of Bob got a goal in the central states territory back in the day well I got the essential states was a great feeding promotion for Carter promotions I think Harley race was involved with that for quite awhile you see guys like Sam Houston and you know the mod squad for an eight dead sort of driver type guys who would go on to earn big card status that Jim Crockett promotions they this was their version of NXT is sort of a feeding ground are a growing process to get to work and before going on the road with the bigger leagues like the WWF for NWA so as a regional promotion it did well for a while I think global Brazil was there for a while and you know Mike George where they're they have some day I I wanna say ric flair toward their few times and she ordered with Harley but yeah I tore towards the later stages you know Bob geico with a figure head end up the way president he did that angle where got punched out by magnum T. A. but as a regional promotion it did its job you know it got guys in there groom damning got it they were ready to go to the big time that's the purpose of that that's why you have a triple a farm system to get the guys ready to move on and I I thought he did an okay job all rights are room right now okay Morgan right now right I'm not gonna go to run in Milton hello run which are on the phone you know and while you're more again I'm just wonderful that's great I was with uncle Mel tonight we went to go see the Richard Jewell movie so I was listening to the show Vinnie how while you Mr ninety nine it's an honor and a privilege our hero good good I think western side of this past summer at the reunion down in Rhode Island the reunion in Rhode Island I don't think that one we at the Crowne plaza the hall of fame I know I wasn't there for that I missed that or was it was at that one that would actually laugh that one of the reunions I know you came to want to kill Kowalski's reunions that we had and this past a reunion we had we Fulbright Brian wall show from the from Los Angeles who came to the reunion and it was great to see him he had a he hasn't been around for awhile and no well hoping to get Brian Walsh back out here again for another reunion of everybody that works with killer Kowalski how you been the house every night that everything's great everything's fine get ready for the holidays you know how that.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on The Steve Austin Show - Unleashed!
"Oh man this guy's coming out now we're about to see this latter match and it's going to be kick ass let's kick off Wrestlemainia and like if you can't be last you want to be i. You know what I mean. That's always felt if I can't close off a show. I want to start off as good as I can. All those elements together and being in the ring with you know Sam Museum after all the time we put in trying to get there and even being in the room with AH start us. Cody Rhodes after. He and I got very close over the short period of time we spent together in this company. And you know I got to spend about ten or eleven months sitting on their dusty learning annex t and I got pretty close the dusty during those times and I know that he he would talk to cody about me and those are things I found out you you know after dusty past cody with me you know dusty would say this about. It doesn't say that about you so I know you're one of the good guys and coating got close like that so sharing that moment and not even just that but Sankara. I know how to son in the crowd and it was the first time since Kara was really featuring in a big you know an actual mas- wrestlemainia and like just getting to share those moments with those guys just made for such a special night above even you know hearing one hundred thousand people go crazy for the matches it just everything together. My family my wife my kids. My parents being there just made for such an incredible experience. What is your Approach to a big event like that you you rustling ashland pay per views every month. They don't come views anymore. It's on the W network which is not ninety nine by subscription. Get it but a big event. You've been to thirty one you you see the table said you're watching the guys. Go there things you've been in business sixteen eighteen years whatever it is all of a sudden. You're thirty two hundred thousand people Bob when you come out your prep. Are you nervous when you go out. Are you fully confident. You're you just chomping at the bit used to get started to just elicit a response and go accordingly and tell that story well I I. My wife asked me this just about two weeks ago. If I still get nervous before I go out and I honestly I can't say I'm nervous because I don't think I am. There's butterflies but it's not nervous. It's almost excitement and want to get out there and do it but I really do have a lot of faith in my abilities. I I think I'm here because I belong here. Belong to the top of the car and then I belong in the main events. Anna Belong Wrestlemainia and I felt that way from the moment I stepped foot on the ring on Raw John. Cena that first night you know you starting off with John. CENA's pretty crazy task. I felt right at home because I put in those fifteen years before to get to that point and I had a couple of months and that really helped me just kind of get acclimated to the wwe environment. So when I stepped foot in the ring with John on raw just like when I stepped foot Wrestlemainia for the first time or anywhere else or made them into the first baby or the universal title. I I was never nervous. I was very excited but I was always confident confidence. And I think that's a big part of being successful in what we do too is. If you don't think you belong where you are those people can tell you know and I don't they Along with what you're saying I don't think you're is loose or as free as you need to be on the rain to be in the moment. Get to not think because if you think in your stinking if you're a ball of nerves is out there and you're gonNA miss out on opportunities or moments that you could create. That just happened and you don't notice them because you're too worried about just. Oh you know what I mean I am. I doing the right thing. The right thing will come to you if you're ready instinctively but I think that's one of the keys to your success here. Obviously you're a great talent but it's all all the years spent on the indie surrogate learning over and over and over again and the lares dig years experienced. Like I got when I was here. I came to wwf seven and a half almost eight years in business. I get an opportunity. It's not the greatest gimmick in the world. But I'm ready to go I'm laying fan. I was all about the ringmaster master by the way. I know I've heard you said before wasn't great. What did you dig about? The Gimmick. There was nothing to dig about. I see I think that's what I dug you say it was boring I to me. It was straightforward like. I've said this before. I think there's so they're working on. They're working on a dvd of me. And I think it's coming out in in July but I got to see a rough draft of an in it. I Say I've heard Steve Austin talk about how the Ringmaster Suck I. Then I was all in right away I think because at that time especially everybody else was so extravagant elaborate. You were the complete opposite. I think that's what what drew me to you as you were. I guess I already dreaming of becoming a wwe superstar to me. I could see myself as being more like you then and being like all these other extravagant characters I see your point there to go back to the ringmaster thing and I loved Diaz as my manager. My manager's the favorite pro wrestlers so no knock against Ted but I needed to be by myself but the thing when I came through the doors here having to plan for me hill changing tides edged green trash can those back to black and I said hey man kind of boots should I wear and it's not just wear the boots you weren't w w Hollywood block boots wise with the black star and I'm thinking boy they really got plans for me here. They repackage everybody and brought in Mark Henry Vader Jonah be bad cactus actors Jack. Everybody was was on push except for me. I was on a holding pattern mechanic. But here's the thing. When I got the ring I was very physical? You can see through anything thing that I was doing. So people like man. George Animal Steel just past associated. So good me. BLACKJACK Lanza Jerry Briscoe. Uh sarge a hall of Famer. Those guys would come up to me and even then before I was stone cold they could see down the road. I couldn't. I was in the battle. Aw but I wasn't trying to work. No crowd I was getting my stuff over in the ring and it was a very physical and it was it was it was super snug conceit. There nothing and it was violent and those guys will come to me and I said Steve Goes all of them. They said you're going to get over is that it's going to take you longer to get over but when you do get over you'll always stay over and come up with stone. Cold thing was is gonNA cake and so it was genesis. It was a foot in the door like I always say it was a great opportunity to come into the WF. This is a major league so not not doing good cute continuing on about me but everything from then on it's Kinda lined up for me with the King of the Ring Win that three sixteen stone cassettes on other stuff so it would just heavy duty work style with the right Gimmick Right. How did you feel when you first came here? Are you come up next Hugh Ross. You're you're in the system. What what was your main concern going out? Just as far as creating a persona work style did you just tremain you were from India seen what was your Mo to get over and strike a nerve with the people will so. When I got the next day I was really I had had no idea what what or who I would be really you know I I got signed but I was never given in the case of what what the plans were if there were plans as a matter of fact when I got signed signed Canyon Seaman who triple H is kind of right hand man with the recruiting talent called me and said while we're going to hire you but I was told to let you no no not to get your hopes up as far as Ron smackdown goes because you know as you're aware you're maybe not. Somebody who Vince McMahon would gravitate towards. But YOU'RE GONNA get your chance and annexed exte- like everyone else and my exact words back to him where it well. I look forward to the challenge. And he said well. I thought that's what you'd say and then I got to an extent I those words were you know always kind of resounding in my head like. Don't get your hopes up. Don't get your hopes up. But I didn't know who I would be. I had singlets made because I forgot all. WWe You gotTa Look Nice and cleaning that. That wasn't me that was never me one time of the performance center when we're getting ready do these. Id shoots was just like a standing in the ring with them. Kind of just shooting around us and getting some footage for like the entrance video and whatnot. Enzo Amora at that point. I didn't know who I am. I didn't know what my character would be. Nothing ends Omar Assam in my singles. Thing was like well. What is that? That's not you know until you're told otherwise. Just be you go all right so I put on some shorts. I cut off the sleeves off the tee shirt. I had on at the moment on and I turned it inside out because it was a guns and roses t-shirt which obviously I couldn't wear for that stuff. But you know Ballard at the time was Paint you know the demon stuff that he does. He had some body pain that he was using Splattered paint splattered fight on the shirt. Just so I look like something then. I went into the issue. It's Chris Chambers. Who's who was Kinda overseeing the whole thing looked at me and that kind of looks cool? That's different and that right away. And I've never gotten the chance to tell Chris that but That gave me such a confidence boost because I was walking into an entire new environment. A new place and as confidence has been my abilities at that point. I had no idea what they expected of me and it was always my dream to work for. WWe So I was really. I say those issues that they actually. It was probably the most nervous. I've been in my W W run because I didn't know what I was supposed to be doing when he said that looks different. That's cool gave me such a confidence boost. You know and and I'm really thankful for Chris for that you know years ago but I remember it like it was yesterday so then we did. The idea shoots. I expected fully expected a week later to get a call from Whoever build them out WHO's running the center of the time or maybe even aaa saying what the Hell were you wearing like you know but I didn't I in fact I got a call later later saying? Hey so I'm with the creative department and we're working on your your look. You WanNa see what we've got and when they sent through I was wearing shorts..
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
"Order when you go to solid go pet dot com slash wrestle that solid gold pet dot com slash wrestle. We'll talk about the The comment that the magazine and the TV need to look a little more. Like in the minute I I do want to ask. When when he describes you sort of running this rough draft over to events he says you have no spalding? 's and that you're one of the many yes man that vincit surrounded himself with for decades your response. Well I would have to go back to the fact that a it was there that long and be the fact that Vince McMahon and I usually disagreed on most things especially when it came to the business and creative ideas ideas. And that's why I stayed around for so long because I did disagree with this. However if he considers that after the two of US argue it out and the owner of the company? Your boss says makes a decision whether it's your idea or his idea. He makes a decision in a direction to go. I supported Vince. McMahon and I supported the boss wants. He made that decision. So that's being a yes man then. I'm yes man but I fought tooth and nail for my ideas years. I fought tooth and nail for other people's ideas with vents. But once you leave the room in a decision is made. You don't go behind people's backs and say like well you know what. Hey I had this idea and the old man hated it. But I'm in your corner buddy. That's not what you do you go out this. This is now our idea and this is what we're going to do and it doesn't matter what your ideas are. Vince is idea was what matters is the idea. And the direction action that was decided upon and move forward. Rousseau wrote that eventually McMahon started a call carve off more and more responsibility. What's ability including ham producing the localized promos for the individual talent? And he says before he was able to produce talent. Vince wanted to Put Him with blackjack Lanza sort of maybe a bit of a mentor of how to handle the boys. What's the strategy putting together an old timer and the young upstart like Doc? This well Jack. Lanza had been the one that had been in the in the rooms working with talent on a daily basis for the localized is interviews. And Jack was that longtime producer. So you've got to learn what the hell you're doing. Rousseau never produced television in his life he had never produced talent in his his life. So he's got to learn somewhere. And that was the starting point for Rousseau to start learning how to work with talent and how to produce talent works for television best so put them which Act Lanza of in that framework so that Rousseau could start learning Russa's pretty complimentary to some of the legends in the business who are helping the company in a backstage capacity at the time whether it was bob back land or chores. Animal stealer even Dutchman tail but I found that sort of interesting because he comes after you and even Jim Cornet for saying that you have these antiquated ideas. But he shows so much respect to these other legends. How do you reconcile all that? Well I think that they were different. We were probably a lot more outspoken Okun than the legends. If you will it we were also kind of the same age group. So the fact that we weren't his elder her Probably he had less respect for that. But the fact that I'd been in the business since I was ten years old. Same thing with Jim Cornet. We had a lot more experience and a lot more tenure in the wrestling business than he did. But it was a difference of opinion in my opinion More than anything anything else eventually. Russo starts to feel like the company is a bit of a sinking ship. He describes the fake razor Zor and fake diesel. I Dunno shenanigans as rock bottom. And he's so frustrated with this. He Calls Kevin Nash to see if maybe the spot for him in. WCW Rousseau's working without a contract here. So he eventually has a conversation with Eric. Bischoff where he just asked Eric for an opportunity. And Eric offers a seventy five thousand dollars a year position but before accepting. He wants to at least have a conversation with Vince. And thanks. Maybe I should try to have like a warm-up conversation with Linda just sort of feel out the process in the middle of that mating. Vince walks in and says that Rousseau is selfish. When do you remember hearing about Rousseau maybe testing the waters in WCW? And how did McMahon. Explain that meeting to you. Well it was 'cause again as you said Rousseau testing the waters and that that angered Vince McMahon Employees which Vince Russo was. We didn't have contracts so if you were an employee you were an employee and you didn't have to have a contract Pretty much you could leave of your own volition or if you were fired. I don't believe we had any non competes. We didn't have anything at the time so Russo was tested those water seeing if there was something else out there. I don't know that I guess you would know a lot better From talking there at Bischoff if indeed roussel was actually offered a a position I. I don't know that to be true but I do know that it. Anger Vince McMahon that he was leaving looking before he came to Vince. McMahon said hey is there something more I can do. Let's fast forward. Of course Russo doesn't leave he sticks around and by March of ninety seven raw magazine Israel hitting its stride and he calls a meeting. He being Vince McMahon Pronouns Pal and in front of everyone says that the show sucks and the show should be more like this and slams down the latest issue of the raw magazine and Russo would right with that one statement. I rose above all all the creative brass sitting in that room. He would continue man. I looked into the eyes of Pritchard. Ross and Cornet that day and I've never seen such hatred. They had to be thinking thinking. How did this guy pull this off? I'll tell you how by being honest and not playing anybody to get there by own merit and by just playing the game aim smarter. Do you remember this meeting. And what are your response. What is your response to Rousseau's comments here? That he was just better in the he had one the. What did he win? And again I go back to. You know if he's playing games. We weren't playing games. We were doing our job so it wasn't about playing games and I remember that meeting vividly the shows did suck and it was also at a time where I was looking for someone to come in and help us and Vince. Russo was one of those people that I was pitching for to come in and help us take some of that burden off of us to throw some fresh ideas in in there. Okay not the traditional wrestling ideas not another old school wrestler. Want somebody with a completely different outlook. which rich Russo had so I saw that and he did have a completely different outlook any sometimes? His approach was a little rough. But that's okay to by was as well but looking at him with hatred there was no hatred there at all it was okay. Great whatever for it is whatever it is to get Vince off of the fans and to get some change and get something different. Going is is good. I like when people talk about well. WHO's idea was okay as my ideas? His ideas her idea doesn't matter if it's a good idea. It's a good idea if it's a bad idea. It's a bad idea you ask. What did he win? Rousseau wrote that he won. You're spot on the booking committee because you were out out at that point and you were since talent relations. So Vince McMahon's dining room table. Had Vince McMahon. Jim Cornet and Vince Russo. All I did win my spot in any way shape or form. Let's talk about facts. Okay and what took place at the time. Jj Dylan Dillon. Left the company abruptly. Jj Dylan was vice president talent relations. Jj left abruptly left a huge void in talent relations with no. I want to step into that position. Vince McMahon made the decision to put me in that role. I didn't want that role wasn't good at that hat role to be clear and didn't WanNa go there. However Vince want someone that he could trust and he wants someone in that position that he we knew and then hit that also knew the INS and outs of talent relations? That's what happened. My role and talent relations didn't didn't allow me enough time to do both. And that was how Vince Russo. One that position Wind Shit Ha. It was moving. I'm I moved from here over to here. That's what happened well. I can't wait to say that you failed at that and you're only talent relations for a few weeks before you came crawling back because Vincent had to give that job to someone else. What now? Oh you are a man on an island with no country and you had nothing to do. So what better to do than to just sorta stir up some controversy. He says that you went to him and called them into into your office and said people in the office. Don't want to work with you. Nobody and he wrote he even went so far. Ars the name names again. Not Believing a word of this ploy. I questioned who everyone had spoken to Bruce. Everyone flat out denied the allegations locations. who was lying and who was telling the truth so he says you feel super threatened? Now that you've been kicked off of the booking committee you've been kicked out talent relations and now you're trying to you know sort of say. Hey nobody even likes you. Vents your response. So what the hell was I doing. Then because I was Intel talent relations from nineteen ninety seven until two thousand actually I was in talent relations from nineteen ninety two to two thousand but still That's aside the point now. What Vincent is making reference to there was an roussel got on the the writing thing was helping vents right the television show so he was Kinda running roughshod over a lot of people and particularly in the magazine in at the television studio? Vince McMahon came to me and said Powell. He's your buddy. You're the one that brought them in. You need to rein him in a little bit damaged. I'm getting people. Oh come to me and I think it would be best coming from you to talk to him. And I was blunt didn't sugarcoat it NASA events. You know you might want to ease the way that you're talking some people. Here's here's the feedback that I got in my feedback was directly from. Vince McMahon. I am now I did name names because I don't like you know when you're in a situation like that well who said that. Tell you who you said it. Russa went confronted them. They denied it to Vince. Russo had we had the opportunity to say. Hey everybody getting the same room. Including including Vince McMahon. And let's talk about it. I think it would have been a completely different situation. I was the fall guy my role in my position for so long I was the Asshole I was the bad guy I delivered the bad news. I was one that had to have those conversations with people but in that particular one that came directly from Vince McMahon and that was feedback that he had gotten from. People and Vince felt that it would be easier and be better matter. If I delivered that to Vince Russo. And I was able to. You know. Say Hey man get your shit together. Do this do that when he went confronted. People know Vince. I would never say that. That's human nature. That happens every day in every business all over the world. Well what does is a happen is when two people dislike each other as much as Vince. Russo in Jim Corr Nat Rousseau wrote in his book. That these guys just never got along. He felt like coronets ideas for twenty years too old. He.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
"You put them on the loop at the Godwin's and let the Godwin's beat the fuck out of them. Yeah. Hong farmers. Conrad hall former I just, you know, I'm just remember them. And I was like oh, man. These guys are awesome. These guys are going to be bad asses. And it was even fun to play with, you know, their characters in the video game or whatever. And then those into the fucking pig. Farmers Rodway doesn't go anywhere. Do you think? Vince, just didn't get it. Or is Russo getting some influence here and doesn't really dig. What there was about the time. That Rousseau is starting to get influence. Yes. But you know, everything does go back Vince McMahon. And and I think there was a lack confidence. Unfortunately, there was it times the lack of confidence in berry. And then there was the feeling that John was still a little green and needed to learn and just needed to step up. Is there also a concern that God damn it? That's to southern. That's wrassling. Nobody fucking cares about this shit. Because it does feel we've heard that there's like an anti southern bias at times, whether it's Kevin Donner. It's or it's Vance or whoever. And maybe because it wasn't their original idea. Maybe because blackjack was a bigger name in the mid Atlantic territory. Whatever was there some sort of anti southern or we didn't create this really hours. It's a rehash of. An old gimmick. Nobody knows whatever. No. Because the the Blackjacks did huge business in New York's Vince is very familiar with them and and loved love Lanza. He just I do think that the. The concept might have been a little too retro. But more than anything was berry was hampered with injuries. John was green and Russa didn't like southerners, but other than that fuck and haw, do you guess have people don't talk like that eight counter this? This was an actual quote, one time the people don't talk like that in the real world what southern accent? No, I don't say he hall southern accent. Did you do? S fucked up. Hey, so let me ask when you doing repackage gimmick. Like this somebody somewhere gives a ring to you know, Barry's dad. I mean, somebody calls Lanza and blackjack in real life. Ryan says, hey, we're thinking about doing this with these guys right or you fuck it. We're doing it. No. We we talked to lands about it and had berry talked to his dad about it. Jack was in in no condition at the time. And I don't think he really wanted to have anything to do with it. So we did the vignettes blackjack Lanza sitting around the campfire and talking about the glove, and the claw and what it meant to be a blackjack and things of that nature. So there was talk for about a half a second of blackjack Lanza managing them, but lands was like, no and ain't gonna happen. My days in front of the camera over and he squashed at pretty quick. Survivor series ninety seven has the new Blackjacks in it. They're going to be on the losing end with the head bangers Billy Gunn Jesse James in the Godwin's. It the elimination win got a dud and right after this. The black jacks what head to all Japan to compete in the real world haggling tournament in their first match on November fifteenth. They lose to Kentucky Bashi and Johnny ace. And the next day. The Blackjacks would get a win over STAN Hansen and Bobby dot com junior. And then they would lose two giant Kamala. And is early. Let's that then they beat high a Busa engines, Asians, Ocoee, who of course, we know as Khushi and then they lost to Johnny Smith and wolf hawk field. And then again, another losing effort. Gary all Brian Steve Williams, and then another loss to Omari and Honda and another loss to Massawa and Yama and then another loss. Against how in koala. So talk to me about how you guys go about sending over one of your tag teams to all Japan to basically, be enhancement talent. They wanted to go. And it was it was an opportunity to get them some work..
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"He was a salesman at the old WTC N channel eleven studios. And you know, we had a great, you know personality, and he was emergency fill in. And I mean was was a natural right? From the start. When when you when gene was giving you tips and you're working with him. What are some of the specific things that that you remember him helping you with in terms of the pacing the timing not stealing the scene. But also looking like, you're listening, which is such an art. Well, a line of it was more. Remember when your when when the talent is talking don't forget that you need to look at the camera. And even he had said when guys are really good talkers, let them talk. When guys aren't so good. You're going to need to to help them. And it he it it really wasn't so much trying to shape me. But he would say, you know, what on an interview remember when this happened? Now, you kind of did this and think about how better it might have been if you had done that. So it it it wasn't from a critical standpoint. And then really the the I mean, I I knew it myself, and as you said Jean was larger than life and really. The interviews when gene was doing it became both about the wrestlers. He was interviewing and himself. And when he suddenly left the best advice, I got came from blackjack Lanza and Jackson. Look, you you're following, gene. But don't be try and be, gene. You've gotta be yourself. And do it the way you would do it. And I had a chance and talked at length with gene with blackjack with Bobby with Nick. And I knew that I didn't have the. It wasn't my personality to over involve myself the way gene, did and kinda really took the interview process to to a whole new level. And I kind of made up my mind that especially with great talkers like Nick, and Bobby and the crusher that once they got going. Unless they needed me to interject. I I was going to just let them go that I always kind of had the philosophy when I took over that I needed to make it all about the talent. And my I guess way of trying to differentiate myself a little bit from gene was to be totally serious focused. And again, this was during the the K fehb era to make it as legitimate and serious as I could. And in fact, you know, eventually, I kinda got away from it. But I use the philosophy weighed that when especially the big name talent would kind of get on a roll. Unless they would say something really over the top one way or another. I purposely tried to to not react because I knew and rightfully so when I would watch interviews with, gene. I'm sure you did. And the fans did you would watch gene as much as you did the wrestlers. So I tried to purposely not react as much to make sure the viewer kept their focus on the wrestler. Remember.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"Hi, Ken rats, Nick now. Join me is a veteran Awa and WWF announcer. Ken good to have you back on the podcast today. My pleasure. Wade good to talk you. I just wish it was for a little better circumstances. Yeah. Well, let's let's make this a celebration of what Gino Kurland meant to wrestling fans, but also a realistic look at at what the man was like behind the scenes to work with and there's almost like a lot of people are focused on obviously his WWF days and even hosting tea and Tuesday night titans at the end of that shows, Ron and then WCW that's natural. That's where he had the largest national audience. But you have a tremendous insight. First person insight into gene Oakland in his. Awa days too in the sense that you were his replacement you add to fill some pretty big shoes. When gene went to the WWF. So I guess my first question for you is is what was your first exposure to gene as you're and talk about that a little bit. And then also your first interaction with him on a professional level, obviously being from Minnesota like gene was in living here. My first exposure as a wrestling fan and viewer was watching him on the Awa and even back, then I mean, he brought a different look to to the interviews. I mean, he he was more involved himself as a personality, and and was fun to watch. And then my first. Time meeting him was when Verne hired me I been doing sports for an NBC affiliate and met at a actually a celebrity golf and tennis charity tournament, and he called me later we had lunch. And that's when he hired me. So I was initially hired just to work with gene being the office kind of take some of the the interview load off of him because as you well know in those days every interview was markets Pacific. Unlike today, so on a interview day, you sometimes would have, you know, fifty or sixty interviews you had to do. So I it was very cordial gene tried to give me a lot of tips. And I kinda broke in doing some. Of the smaller markets, and gene was very good. You know, afterwards critiquing what I did. And and giving me tips, but in a trying to be very helpful way. And then it was just a very short time later when he just told Vern he was done and was going to WWF. So then all of a sudden, I was V guy and and doing all of them. You this is mostly about, gene. But I gotta ask you this about you. Or that had in this is in a way potentially about Jean that at the feel big pressure. I know gene had to feel big pressure replacing Mario O'Neill. And gene was beloved. I was at the age where Jeanne was I wasn't the adults who missed Mario Neil. And thought gene was this over the top carnival Barker like some of the people of of the Martin O'Neill generation thought he was my voice and face of the Awa he was the guy who interacted brilliantly on interviews with wrestlers. He's the one who made me beg my mom to take me to wrestling shows before she she even could fathom doing such a thing. And understood what this thing was all about. There's my generation then saw you show up, and we're like who's this guy with the mustache? How how did you feel about that? You're right there were huge shoes to fill and I was still learning on the job. And suddenly there was no more time for a learning curve. But I was so incredibly lucky that I had been around enough where I got such a amazing help and guidance. I mean, just think about being able to learn from the likes of of blackjack Lanza, and Bobby Heenan and Nick Bach winkle and the crusher, and luckily I had been around enough where they were trying to help me already knowing me, and with my, you know, best interest in as a side note. I'm sure you're aware of the story, but you know, Jean was. As like an emergency replacement for Mario Neil when there was a sag strike and Mario Neal is a member of sag after and couldn't be on air talent. And they knew gene a little bit..
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
"Jeff hardy off the top rope while sitting on top of the shoulders, and this is of course tournament that's going to be called tipped the Terri invitational tournament. Only anyone actually ever called it. While the Oma gosh, those letters smell hit. Sommese just thought it was Terri invitational tournament quite clever silly shit. What it is the no mercy pay per view is in Cleveland and the hardy boys when a ladder match over edging Christian. And Meltzer would say a must see match because any of these guys. Can make it to the top. And it'll be remembered as their first great match. This was highly rated and the observer four and a half stars. And I don't think it's talked about nearly enough. I think most people when they think about the crazy ladder matches that these guys had they always just go to a wrestlemainia. Bowman haven't already go watch. No mercy. Nineteen ninety nine from Cleveland. Mariah absolutely excellent match. And you and I watched it when what the hell did we do was it the Hardee's or something? But we watched it, and I was in in all of the match going back saying holy shit in your right, people always go to the wrestlemainia matches. And I'll still say that wrestlemainia seventeen was the best of the bunch. But this match man at set the bar, and it was tremendous. Kristen says, they put the the mass together few days ahead of time. And they didn't really come up with any spots other than knowing the needed more than one Lanner because there's four guys and he says when they came back through the curtain, everyone who is watching on the monitor gave him a standing ovation and Vince comes over and says it was unfunny believable. And unlike anything he'd ever seen before and the next day the mash was playing in catering, and after it was over everybody gave him a standing ovation. Again. Do you remember ever seeing that before? No, I really don't. And it was deserved. These guys went out and busted their ass. They were all for young guys trying to make a name for themselves in got everybody to stand up and take notice and say, these guys got balls, and they've got it. They had that special it and Christian says that all this is the first time the world is really seeing it blackjack Lanza had seen it for a while. He was aging some of their matches on the house shows, and he would write in his nose that it were some of if not the very best tag matches he'd ever seen on house shows you remember getting really good reviews from the agents about what these guys were doing when really no cameras were there. Yeah. And it will receive on the show every night. That was part of the reason that the decision was made. Let's do something with them on TV. Let's do something with these guys on pay per view because they're tearing it up on the house shows, they'll buy it the audience will buy it. So this raw that we're talking about whether Washington catering Michael Cole brings out the Hardee's. And they repeat that they are no longer the new brood and edge and Christian come out and rather than fight. They wanna congratulate them on the great match. They had and the fans give them a standing ovation, which is unbelievable when you really think about that. Especially in this era. I think that everyone appreciated the the work that they did everybody. Appreciate I mean, they left it all out there. They left it all in the ring that night and the audience appreciated the sacrifice that they made. So hell, yeah. I thought it was a beautiful moment. Well, this sort of as an olive branch because on the November first raw edgy Christian or taming with the Hardy's against the hollies and to cool, which I guess is kind of interesting considering they're on the heels of such a big show where they were opponents survivor series goes down on November fourteenth. And we've got exactly what would just ran through edge and Christian taming with Matt and Jeff hardy, but they're unsuccessful the hollies and to cool get a win over them. Can't believe that's real. It is three stars was the writing though. But it is a somewhat surprising result that the hollies would go over here Jeremy up well at the time man, Bob and crash were really getting over and crash was that little, you know, little Tasmanian devil that the audience they bought they were really into..
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on Sports Radio 610
"I'm serious about the coup. I know you are serious, man. They were you when you were when you were coming up in the you know, the statute of limitations has passed on. Sure when you were coming up twenty five twenty six twenty seven to thirty whenever you're wrestling. You're on top top of the world. Did you ever have a cougar approach you, you know? Older woman. Most definitely. How did how did you though, you know, how did you maneuver through the business without with all that temptation because you were a top businessmen? That was about it was about it was all about business with me. You can get caught up because it's easy to get caught up out there, man, you know. And like you say so much temptation, you know, what I mean, so many different ways. I'm talking about women talking about drugs, right? I'm talking about, you know, just. All kind of craziness. You can find yourself wrapped up in it. But for me, man, I I had tunnel vision. Man. I was laser focus thinking about one thing. And that was making history. I knew you know, once you made all the money all of that other stuff just come along with it. I I used to sit back man I used to be I used to go to the club. You know back in the day. You know, young man, the club and say man, you know, how did that old man? Get that young shake, you know, there's always one. No, I'm serious always always a few. He's he's not. He's not always dressed to fly. But he didn't look old. But you know, he's oh. Let's well taken care of being well qualified. Walk outside. You did you look at that Bentley? He's rolling the of that test love, or whatever you. Whatever it's going to be some nice, and you go S classy class lot. He got all that money. You know what I mean? So you gotta get you know, I remember, you know, you you see a Scarface before. Absolutely. Tony mindset, Tennessee. I you you you you get the money. And then you get the woman there will be no, I you get the money. Then you get the power. You know, it really falls in that auto right there. You know what? I mean, you the money you get the power, you get the power, you get the woman, you know, everything else it falls in line, man. So for me, I say man, I gotta get this money. And then we'll get status. Hall of Famer power. You know what? I mean, the did the woman. So it all falls in line, man. You know, you gotta know how to roll this steps brought us those those old guys in the club. They always they always do get you because when they walk in. They make an insurance. Oh, man. Real slow. They spend their has ordered. The thing is is the line at the door when they come in. But we're, but wouldn't they soon as dates you're the guy just motion of hey, come on. Daddy, is you know, it's like when you walk walk up. All right. Not just putting myself over. When I walk up there. You know, it's like, you know. EM hutton. People listening either. Hey, man, Booker tailored ask. It's like that. I love it. You know? Hey, that's that's what that's. All about. Yeah. I just love, you know. And maybe you're one of these guys. Now, are you the guy though, you know, you get you get you get the the two fingers they come through the club. Hey, yeah. You can come through the line the, but when you walk when you walk into you do like, they're kind of kind of look around the room. You got the Queen on the side. You wanna make sure people know just just recognize? Only when I fall in the club scene. You know, I normally the woman at home, you know, what I mean because it's normally business there's normally a business setting or something like that. And you got to look a certain way, you know, what I mean, you gotta die when you walk in the club. First thing you do is look to your left. Why why why to let no reason you just make them you make people think what's he looking at it. Just looks cool. Look hard left. You know, what I mean hall swaying with almost a profile shot? You know, what I mean, all the ladies they look at and they wanted man who is this brother right here tall, dark and handsome. I gotta get with him. You know? So that's that's your first move when you walk in the club. And trust me. I love it. I mean attention men, especially at this age. You know, what I mean in the women's young women young women coming out of the closet, and they said, hey, are you married? You don't tell them. All. Of course. I am young lady. Nicola don't matter. I'm like I've seen that happening. I'm like whole Joe horses. You know what I mean? The old line school, hold your horse, and they go. Oh my God. They live with it. Because they never heard that like that. That'd be brother never talked to him. Was the oldest new man. What's old is being? Let's talk about it. Old is new the does that apply to all forms of entertainment. Does that implies all four interesting? Yeah, they like to they like to bring back all the old shows. You know, Murphy Brown Roseanne. Yeah. They want remake the old movies. New Jersey shore, New Jersey shores, does it work in the world of pro wrestling. Because a lot of people have been coming back as of late show. Michael's comeback. You've seen the undertaker's comeback had been talking about. I've been I've been chatter. He said that you have a itch behind your Saka, really really act. Yeah. You know, a lot of people are coming out. But people feel stow-n-go Steve Austin, actually, tease him a little bit. Dog goes divas say he's in the gym. He says for you know, a project he got coming up. I don't know what the project is a project, titled wrestlemainia, exactly. But he they say, he's as you know, back in the gym training hard. He's on a meal program. I'm gonna tell you right now show meals on the meal prep. She's in the gym every day. Normally when you do that sums up you up to some chatter is out there man wrestlers man restless getting Russell up into their seventy five easy, Terry funk terrified, you know, a lot of the other guys man, I've been out there doing it for you. Rick flair would still be wrestling to today if they would say cleared sanctioned it. Yeah. He right on. I mean, you look at guys like Tommy dreamer. You know what? I mean. Look a guy like Chris Jericho, Chris Jericho's in his forties. Yeah. Be knocking on the door real real soon. You know, and he still looks really really good. You know what I mean? So I gotta say, man. I mean, George Foreman won the heavyweight championship at forty five. I'm talking about a sport were these guys win hands and trying to break bone. You know what I mean? So. Usually on the matter. I I don't think the age matters to the point toward the older guy can actually go out there and do it. What does matter is? You know, the young WWE generation is new independent generation is this something that they want to see, you know, I know a guy by the name of a Booker about the name of Mike O'Brien, and he may book Jerry, the king Lawler, six months out of the year. You know, and Jerry goes out and do his thing and the people pay big money to come out and see Jerry Lawler perform from a second. A lot of times the people paying to see the guy relatively more importantly, they paying a Siham. They want to see the answer. Look if Elvis came back right now today, I'm talking about you know Toyota center. Twenty nights in a row. Okay. Twenty nights in a row. It'd be Sola every night. It'll be sold out every night the Toyota center would be so to the rafters every night for the key. And it probably be the same people twenty. I'm serious, man. Right. You know what? I mean, I want to see it. So the people want to see them more than anything. And then if they're in the shape to go out there and get it done. Just like, you know, we just saw with the evolution. You know? I didn't hear too many people crying about seeing leader. You know, what I mean too, many people crying about seeing Trish, Stratus and ivory and all these other talented came out and Vickie Guerrero and whatnot. I didn't see people cry people go. Wow, this is really really cool to actually see the mixture of the two. You know? That's what boxing is. You know? That's what what racing years. You know? What I mean, I've been a huge sport fair my whole life. You know what I mean? You know, I'm talking about NASCAR. I'm talking about the Indy-Car. I'm talking about. I'm talking about. Back to the to the Richard petty of the world, you know, you know, the, you know, the Thursday also juniors to Asia Ford, so the world AJ. And the thing is that there will be no danika Patrick. You know, if you know if it weren't for guys. Big, you know, making that way, you know, gin two point toward word old guy. Like that say, hey, man, we gotta bring up someone like that a data. Patrick, we to put her in a in a in a in a position of what to grow the sport and make it bigger, it take guys, you know, from that generation to actually feel in spots were were, you know, there's a lot of Blake's. You know, what I mean, there's a lot of holes that young guys just don't know about in these young guys and go out there and film form. So I totally an agreement. You know with you know, seeing certain guys come back on the roster. You know, not four-time not going out there. Trying to take a spot or anything like that not trying to win a championship or anything like that. But to go out there and be a part of what you know, be within the storm that's going on with this young guys and be able to guide them through it. I'm gonna tell you right now. There couldn't have been a better pilot in the great sully commanding that ship at that time. Which you had would you would would you want a twenty five year old man in-command commanding that ship as to the question? Now, I would not I would not I want somebody who I know has experienced what the aircraft and it's worked on it for a very long time because I would feel like he knows what he's doing. I'll tell you the same thing that a great analogy is valid. Great analogies advocate right there. Algae? Now, raise you one. You don't want a young doctor performing heart surgery on. Again, sometimes young people a good at certain things. You know what I mean? Steadier hand city. Hey, Mamadali won a championship twenty two years old. So so, you know, people say man, wait, you guys should have been thirty four. I mean got more experience, you know. But certain certain things, you know, what I mean certain places, you know, certain experience guy like Shawn Michaels who many people regard is one of the best in ring guys have all timing Mr. wrestlemainia somebody who has that moniker. You would think that if there's an opportunity for a younger guy to work with him. That would be good for everyone. Right. Well, you would want the young guys, you know, if if they don't know, Shawn Michaels kiss. They haven't watched the career of Shawn Michaels. And if they don't want a guy like that around. There's something wrong with these young guys it'll be like me coming into WWE and not wanting Pat Patterson around Bryant somebody's been there. All the time knows. Blackjack lanza. You know, what I mean, it would have been like meat saying man, these old guys, you know, they don't know what they're talking about. You know? I mean, come on. I mean what I gotta listen to this guy. What is what does he did? He beat. It's like Vader. Right. When Vader or your urine WCW invaders say, hey, it's just business brother too. He taught you something. Yeah. There w whole lot. Yeah. You know? I mean invaders say man, you know, we're doing a photo shoot. And you know, Vader, you know, he takes you know, maybe a half step in front of me. You know, I take a half step up with him. And he he goes, no, brother good. He takes remains to stay that have stepped in front of me. I move up. And he goes, no is business brother, and I go, okay. You know? I mean, look big he had to perceive. You know, you know. I mean, you know, make the photo, you know, the perception of the photo make, you know, big van Vader perceive to the world as big van Vader, a a giant most most a baby. So I'm telling you man to learn from these veterans, you know, to know that if you're right handed, you know, to hold a microphone and your left hand kit. You don't want to get all over the place. You know, like you talking to rocky. You know, you need somebody in your corner, you need somebody. You know, watching a follow tootle same pitfall tonight. I fell into rock, you know, you need somebody like that on your side Burgess Meredith, by the way, a national treasure. You don't have someone I guess I could fall into a whole lot of pitfalls men. You can make a whole lot of mistakes. Shit guys like that. The rain should guys like that be wrestling. You know, you know, give them the man until you cannot do it anymore. Go out there and do it. If you still a draw go out there and do it. If if the company whatever company that is I believe that you can sell some tickets for them. And you know, like, I say, you ain't good enough shape to go out there and get it done, man. Do it man you ever seen the wrestler? Mickey Rourke Randy the ram Randy the ram, you know, ram jam. You know, that movie man that movie was real dead movie was so close it was so close, man. I mean at the end of the movie credits were rolling. I shed one tear. And I look at Shaw mail, and I say. Let's go baby. Does heated conversations push radio sixteen Becker the minute. From.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"Sauces, ketchup, mustard. It's too Paul. Take ketchup, jalapeno, Honey, mustard and not hot. It's spicy sweet and spicy. This weekend wrastling. Forty six years ago. September first, September first nineteen, seventy two. And the gang Len hot out of Eliot Ness forty six years ago to the day in Chicago, all in this weekend. Remember it was the Awa at Soldier Field home of the Chicago biz. Does she rose defeated while McDaniel? I know that made us happy because does he was is a die hard in in Russia, Texas fan Longhorn. And of course, while who was one of the great football players to compete at university of Oklahoma in any decade? Any era. So does she want over while who Vern ganja the boss Booker the man with the most impressive weapon in wrestling and a racer successfully defended his Awa title Mercer's the great Ivan coal. All of that was a hell of match for quite frankly, dick, the bruiser in the crusher they defeated the Blackjacks Lanza and mulligan in a two onto steel cage match. So did you really think that the crush crush going to lose a case matching Chicago? Probably not, but they had internet back in this this too predictable logical matter to predictable forty, six years ago, nineteen seventy two. September second Madison Square God, Tate morale successfully defended his WWF title versus the big cat Ernie Ladd. Greasy del Morales. You're talking to McCarron lady our nineteen grounds. I walk so and address Fata man. That make love to a woman. The big cat promo got better that my mouth just I'm honoring him not he's. He was amazing. Go YouTube, some money lead interview. If you'll get a kick out of. Got a mention this twenty six years ago, twenty nine th of August nineteen Ninety-two if you can believe that London England eighty thousand windy stadium, the British bulldog defeated his brother-in-law breath, hitman Hart. They lovely Diana at ringside to capture the intercontinental championship and fans that weren't even alive in the UK still talk to me and my cue nays over there that I do Kenny MacIntosh and his his group that that's still a memory. So vivid in their minds. Again, they weren't even alive to see it. They've heard so much about the w network for nine ninety nine not a bad deal, so could go back. Couldn't go past this week and not mentioned that big event, women stadium. And of course it also has spun the questions when will w have a major Fairview again in any. England wrestlemainia. They're viable questions and good questions. If you, especially if you're subjected to that, Lou there and you and you wanna you wanna do come to your to your to your country. I get all that. I just don't know. I don't know what the answer is. I know one thing, it's a very territory for anybody doing sports entertainment pro wrestling. It's it's back on fire. Think a lot of great talents governor to being trained there, watching wrestling evolving, no-one, where they wanna be when they grow up. Let's see here. What else you got. Oh, this is pretty cool. Twenty six years ago. I was forty. September the second nineteen ninety two. We have the twentieth anniversary clash of champions at the their own Atlanta west Peachtree. At the center stage, they had the street blocked off handle cameras out there. I think Tony shivani and Missy Hyatt worked out there and interviewing people. One of the impressive things to that night that I remember is that Bill watt said convinced Andre, the giant to leave his home in North Carolina and come over to Atlanta and be a part of the festivities, and Andre took my phone. It honors in bad shape that day hurting a lot of pain, tired of answering questions. I, I'm glad to have the the responsibility of interviewing him because he was not very talkative, but by God, he was their Nazi showed us respect in that regard. He shouldn't have been there health wise, but he watched there. So I remember that very well Ron soon by the way he defended his WWF. Title, some dude in cactus, Jack. Cactus, Jack, a part of him. This is a pretty interesting memory for me personally twenty five years ago. It was August. Thirtieth nineteen Ninety-three summer slam, Auburn Hills, Michigan. That's the palace. Remember that the lex express main event Luger and yokozuna. It was a big fine, a robbery and ended in a count out..
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on The Steve Austin Show - Unleashed!
"Basement length down on a phone book in a territory talking wrassling what's going on in today's landscape so there for m l w how you guys going about that well i try to give them kind of an idea for where i wanna go to promo hey we're trying to get this across i'd like you to try it this way what do you think and sometimes we'll try sometimes it's kind of feeling out process until you say okay that feels good let's try that way some guys they just say hey coach tell me what to do and you try to give that to him but you also want to give him the latitude to try and get outside their comfort zone do something different and there's a lot of great young town out there that you want to give them a little bit of a runway to experiment he also kind of have to sometimes rain it in because they do crazy stuff because they just don't know anybody like puppy dogs but bruce has been great i he's he's been really helpful for a lot of our young talent some i'll an in particular i'll give him the talent i think needs maybe maybe they could really enjoy his perspective he's been in business for forty plus years so guys like maxwell jacob friedman who a great young talent twenty one the classic he'll really good wrestler knows how to get heat which is very hard these days most guys go in there for the pop he wants to get the heat and he's very good at it but bruce has been phenomenal work with him along with robert and so you know we try to spread out our team to work with different guys and kind of build a reporter i know like when you were doing the stone cold persona they're certain people that you look to to get some some feedback from like blackjack lanza cetera so i think it's helpful to have some sort of trust with the talent and someone from the office but men ruth rozier doubt me out tremendously because they're like about bruce was his attitude hey man what about this or you know i was thinking or what about in the thing but you know bruce from houston texas of course doctor tom prichard his brother of former travel partner.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on We Watch Wrestling
"Our first of all this was this predates the msg network obviously yeah this was on home box office who you want to talk about your precious game of thrones those line to suck my dick warms to the left check out allstar wrestler with the voice of vincent kennedy mcmahon calling all the action beautiful thing so it starts off it's one of the black blackjack lanza versus somebody and he beats the should out of him and then like got an half paying attention because i have i'm mike all right i'm going to put this on we'll get into it later on i know not gonna be able to watch the whole thing because life keeps happening tom and so then all of a sudden they hear vince go now and their bare hearing about it from mrs krieger 100 open who will work my girl the front row the angry old lady mrs krieger um people named checked she went to all the msg shows all the baltimore orioles a m and then i realized my god i've seen not the whole match but clips of it uh probably i'm one of the old coliseum tapes in its tanaka professor tanaka verses l olympic go who's builders being from mexico city and olympic o'hare's is back to the camera to the hard cam and so all i sees the back of the mask unlike our let's see what this guy's mascots like genetic no do you always keep the ring around i didn't know ring sixty five year old with a cell phone idiot hey you say the guys shut up to shut up shut up to shut up shut up such ship shut up like a like in fucking punchdrunk love love that movilla tower hoffa shah showed up shut up.
"blackjack lanza" Discussed on Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
"Why it and then later in the year we would see them work at madisonsquaregardenand that's where mankind would become cactusjackso they had a really lengthy run here in 1997 and then of course they had other matches for the world title later what did these two guys think about working with each other i'm curious about how hunter felt about working with foley bestmarek recollection they both love working with each other because they got along good in their matches were damn good in they were both do any in everything so they liked each other and they matched and they mesh really well in the reason you know as you say were they went in august is the cage and that goes to your doublecount out in them finding all around the building that you've got to put him inside of a cage to contain all this shit but uh for the most part i think that working together made both of them i think people would probably argue at the time will maybe were trying to make conner by putting him in with mankind but i think it may mankind and even more well rounded performer getting us into the whole dude loves thing i don't know that anybody could argue against that because while he's doing this deal with hunter over the summer janjulyaugust and then that a straight fight and amassing squaregarden with cactusjack was septemberso you've got a fourmonth span here and you see paper via match after paper rematch and then a big angle at the garden and you see him split off and due to a characters this is the most versatility we've ever seen from the mankind character whenever saw this for them he added in just extended the life of mic foleythe at mankind you've got cactus she got do love in all yeahand then there's just amid rising one guy do poor garrett or was ingenious uh we got to aback says interview us conducted by our great friend michelpsaandheartfoundation are the subject of the interview but just a few seconds thin we see stone call steveaustin throttle attack him and he's held back by a fiftysixyearoldpatpattersonanda50 year old tonygurria uh and then of course blackjack lanza comes in and polls austin away so he's rattlesnake he's a bad ass and um shuffleboard club is subduing him this is where you talk.