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(Convos in 5 minutes or less) The brutal tactics of Police Chief turned Mayor Frank Rizzo

The Concentrated Conversation Podcast

01:21 min | 2 years ago

(Convos in 5 minutes or less) The brutal tactics of Police Chief turned Mayor Frank Rizzo

"Racist Conflicts oversize lot of racism we had we had mayor in a city of Philadelphia by the name of Free Quiz O. and he was the only the mayor in the country at the time of actually he was police commissioner and he was the only police commissioner that have been brought up on charges of talent by the actual federal government poodle very racist berry dictator Ish airy Gestapo police type police commissioner and he was the police commissioner that was stripping Black Panthers in the middle of the night and taken close off in you know forcing them to stand up against a wall and beating them brutally attacking them in so he was the mayor at the time of the incident with us the.

Philadelphia Black Panthers
Episode 161: Who were the Black Panthers?

WokeNFree

46:51 min | 10 months ago

Episode 161: Who were the Black Panthers?

"Hi, this is Asha and Gloom are the closest welcome free. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for tuning into 160 first episode of low-wage. If you've been tuning in every week for we open for Wednesday, you know, that will country is all about being real and honest with each other and you we talk about everything and anything important to us off you the world and nothing is off the table this week. We're discussing who were the Black Panthers. But before we dive deep into the subject, it is your favorite time of the day off monologue. So without further Ado, I'm just going to jump in if you are if you've downloaded this episode by going to welcome., and proceeding to the Pod being off you deserve Applause. That is fantastic. Why because that's how you show the ultimate support for the show. 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Yes Tik Tok and Pinterest at woken free and guys, there's some fun content on there. So make sure that you log Are checking us out and you're engaging with us there with that scene end. Each week. We like to share a little bit about us before we dive into the topic for the episode last week. We asked which famous calling. Do you prefer Donkey Kong or King Kong this week. We're asking wage to shake off that trust. How would you rather relax drinking chai tea or doing t'ai Chi you think you're funny, huh? That's about my joke. That's not mine. Yeah, you know one wants to claim that one now. No, well, I don't know who claims it. Well, my answer to that interesting question is definitely T, but I'm not going to get siteid. I'm going over Jamaican mint tea or just regular peppermint. Tea turn regular peppermint tea. That's a regular I think black tea is regular. Yeah peppermint. All right, see that's pretty good to know green tea for you. I mean not a student try like well if I'm trying to you know kind of start a party in my stomach sure. Oh, wow, right? Yeah. No. Okay. Maybe you should do like wage and probably try to learn t'ai chi I think that would get your Center in order doing that. I didn't start doing it, but it was good thing you look into. Yeah, if I learned it it would make me very centered as a being so I think I'm I need to look into that. That's what I'm going to choose. I'm going to choose Tai Chi even though right now I do drink the tea. I would like to do Chinese Tai Chi thought the chod. Gotcha. Yeah, I guess that would be my preference and I don't know what other preferences other people would have like groups. You know, what they want to be centered that themselves if they were like wage political organizations like the Black Panthers. Maybe I don't know. Would that be a group that would want to send her their holes or how about just find out more about them, huh? Well, maybe we should discuss them. Like or who were the Black Panthers clever glamour a very nice answer. So according to history.com. There's quite a bit of information out there. And so, let's get everyone on the same page. So they claim or not claim but they report that the Black Panthers also known as Black Panther Party was a political organization. It was founded in 1966 by Huey Newton and Bobby seale to challenge police brutality against African American Community. They dressed in black barrettes and black leather jackets, the Black Panthers organized and armed citizen patrols of England and other US citizen cities. And at its peak in 1968 the Black Panther Party had approximately a roughly 2000 numbers the organization later declined as a result of internal tensions deadly shootouts and FBI counterintelligence activities aimed at weakening the organization. Now the kind of the reasoning behind the fountain Foundation of this organization, but by Huey Newton and off Seal was when they met in nineteen sixty-one, they were students at Merritt College in Oakland, California. They both protested the college has pioneered a celebration which honored the Pioneers who came to California in the eighteen hundreds, but omitted the role of African Americans in settling the American West Seal and Newton formed the Negro history fat Group, which called on the schools offer classes black history. Well, then history.com goes on to say that they founded the Black Panthers in the wake of the assassination of black nationalists Malcolm X and after after, Police in San Francisco shot and killed an unarmed black teen named Matthew Johnson sounds like today's climate interesting and then originally the black party Black Panthers party for Doug the Black Panther Party for self-defense. The organization was founded then in October 1966 and there early activities primarily involved monitoring like that like earlier like history.com said earlier rather police activities in the black communities in Oakland and other cities and then they grew it wasn't just in California. They grew Across the Nation they let's see they were I think about they were in about 70 cities across the United States, which is pretty cool when they also had this thing called the ten point program which called for an immediate end to police brutality employment for African-Americans and land housing and justice for all and then what else did I thought was interesting the Black Panthers? The the article goes on to say the Black Panthers often were portrayed as a gang their leadership saw the organization as a political party whose goal was getting more African-Americans elected into political office off but by the early 1970s FBI counter-intelligence efforts and all of you know, the kind of internal unrest kind of broke the party apart. But yeah, there's more I think to to share there but that's kind of like a summary. Okay. That's very that's a that's a good summary from the institution. I mean, it's not bad thoughts on some of the good stuff. So the I think a really good book to read goes against like the mainstream as this book called black against Empire and it details the like the true history of a black panther party and some of the turmoil that they went through so people probably don't even know that the Black Panther Party was actually made up of a bunch of different parties and I dead So I don't have the names or right now offhand, but the book does mention all the parties that were going by different names and actually kind of grew into the Black Panther Party name of the book the name of the book jet black against Empire. Yes. Okay. So and then we have the you know, we'll have like the authors and are now that's an arm no free.com. Yeah, so you can see that there but this is a good book to read cuz it'll really detail. How long came to be in which parties came together to form the Black Panther Party as we like know it today and so unlike this the whole this is an excerpt from the book like a little summer. I'm like the civil rights movement that called for full set instant citizenship rights for blacks within the US the Black Panther Party rejected the legitimacy of the US government and positioned itself is kind of a global struggle against American imperialism and the face of intense repression the party flourished becoming the center of a revolutionary movement with powerful allies around the world including China wage. So that very much sound symbolic of what we saw saw in Star Wars Rebels standing against the imperialist forces off India that's going to be really similar there. It's very interesting. It's similar. Definitely what are things that people typically don't know or even change and maybe misconstrue about the Black Panther Party know the thing I never knew was that they started the first program dedicated to feeding underserved children wage, which part the government to start somewhere programs where they get started giving out the free lunches the children, but that wasn't a government initiative that came from the Black Panther Party. Nobody ever mentioned that to me while I was in school. Like I've never heard anything about that. That was crazy me. I didn't know black panthers did any social reform programs? I didn't know that I just yeah, that wasn't one of the things I knew then like I mentioned earlier. There were multiple groups that called themselves the Black Panthers, but they're actually some that weren't even affiliated with the main group. So they would go on to do things that maybe people saw that was you know, kind of like I'm going against the law but that wasn't actually the Black Panthers that was just a group that called himself the Black Panther that was like the anarchists going out and protesting are not protesting the wrong kind of making a right, right? Yeah. We're actually doing the protesting recently for the George Floyd situation. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah a very similar thing to that and then another thing and I mean conspiracist probably knew this but the the federal government they hired people to pose as members to gain insight into the group and cause internal conflict. Well, it's you mentioned a little bit off from your article and article history.com. That's not the article you wrote. All right. I don't know. Okay. Yeah good point and then another thing I never, New Jersey. They were negotiating connections with China as you renewing a founding member of the party met with Tsao and lie as told by an article on radar. So I didn't know that they went over to China and yeah, he was for me connections. I didn't know about that and it was cuz they they both had the common kind of goal of fighting in. Lism off. It was a very bonding thing that at the time us didn't have great relations with China pretty well and I said at the time but we know how it is right now. Yeah. So similar to some of those facts are also shared you can see link on welcome free.com including a link to insider.com which has a really in-depth article kind of things people do not did not know about the Black Panther Party. So they the party opened Liberation schools where children learned black history and political science, they practice penmanship by writing letters to incarcerated members and at its height the Black Panther Party had thousands of members and nearly seventy cities, which I said before which is pretty cool and pretty impressive. Also, what was funny or interesting I thought was like kind of if you ever thought about their uniform like why did they decide the Black Beret and the black jacket on insider.com have an kind of quote from Stanley Nelson director of the Black Panthers Vanguard of the Revolution who is Huey Newton and Bobby seale chose the the Panthers look because it was something that everybody had. Their closet they said, you know, every young black man has a black leather jacket or can get one or can borrow one if they can't buy one. He told fresh Air's Terry Gross. Everybody could get a Brett everybody could get some sunglasses and get the panther. Look the uniform was also calculated to be distinct from the suit and tie look favored more traditional civil rights activists. Oh, that's nice, you know a little bit of a tidbit as to why the look of the Black Panthers came to be so that was interesting also in 1969 the Black Panther Party began serving free hot breakfast to kids in Oakland wage listening food from local Grocers and Consulting a nutritionist on healthy and filling recipes the schools and parents praised it but the police and FBI spread rumors that the party was actually using the meals to indoctrinate or even poison kids smart and then in nineteen seventy-five just as the parties breakfast program were being shut down the USDA permanent permanently authorized the Nationwide School breakfast program, which fed more than birth. 14 million children in 20. I don't know if that year is correct. That can't be. Oh, yeah that was before before that. So but nonetheless actually so what's interesting is incentives, suggesting that the Black Panther Party created a free food system similar to what you're saying. They have like they did something and then the government then indoctrinated that action or that wage initiative under their own system. And so if the party was so right like out there then why would why did they adopt the same system? That's interesting. You have no credit. Also the article goes on to talking about they created the first Nationwide testing and screening program for sickle cell anemia. The Panthers established a national screening program training volunteers to walk door-to-door and predominantly black neighborhoods and give free finger stick tests follow-up care for anyone who tested positive was arranged with local hospitals and that's super like off. Super super forward also, they mentioned article mentioned that they help migrant the Black Panther Party help migrant workers organized against Safeway. So in early 1960s Cesar Chavez United Farm Workers Union boycotted Safeway in California for selling grapes picked by non-union workers Safeway coincidentally was one of the few markets to refuse Thursday 8 to the Panthers free breakfast program seizing the opportunity the party began ferrying Shoppers to competing lucky supermarkets free of charge. The boycott was successful enough that at least one Safeway in Oakland forced to close. So that's super super interesting. They also inside our common goes on to suggest to share that the party taught self-defense classes to senior citizens, the Black Panthers launch seniors against a fearful environment safe after a group of older Oakland residents asked them to teach them self defense to fend off muggers. The seniors had originally approached the police for help, but were told Just walk close to the curb according to the and a black star and so the safe program also provided free transportation to older locals could posit their social security and pension checks out. All right. So yeah, just even more that they even talked about as well. But yeah, so, you know those were all like brand spanking new bits of information for me. So that's why I thought that would be really cool to share here with local free Nation because who knew the Black Panthers did all of that amazement. I mean, that's something yeah, they have a lot of things under their belt that we want to know how long they're not we just always see that there are some type of militant group but there's a lot more to the Black Panthers than we knew definitely what should people take away from what the Black Panthers stood for equality isn't reserved for a specific race gender Creed or age as we talked about some of the phenomenal initiatives at the party not only in English. Editing created but implemented right? Cuz it's one thing to have an idea and it's quite another to actually execute and they they actually executed and they actually helped other people's lives right whether the party was you know, nothing in life is without fault. Nothing in life is without needing of change. But yeah here I think in this conversation the focus is really thinking about some of the positive things that they did and ultimately there's a lot of negative stuff that you can find on the internet yourself. So we definitely were not looking to have a conversation to bash the group. I think having you know, generally not knowing kind of some of their own initiatives I think is great insight for not only us but anyone listening here because if you didn't know this you now know and now you can make your own judgment call about the party home and if you want to learn more, this is a good starting point to learn more. I think that's why I love our conversations because it's usually just like a really great starting point to say. Hey, I want to look into this more. I want to suck. And a little bit more so that that I think is something to take away is it like you should listen to this and say I want to know more and then you should also listen to this and say I need to have an open mind about all things that I'm educating myself on definitely that makes sense and think yeah, there's just a big misconception about the Black Panthers that they took like a hate group that promote it Supremacy over others and that's just not the case as we saw from some of our examples. They were social justice group that stood up for the disenfranchised and they believed in defending oneself against abuse and domestic Terror. They weren't people just to sit back and turn the other cheek. They said hey, you know, we have the right to bear arms. So we will wage this battle was it was definitely part of their belief, but it wasn't just the main thing. They didn't go around saying hey, we're in a threatened you with this. They just said we'll defend ourselves and people didn't like that dead. Even though they're Second Amendment is a second amendment lovers who they definitely yeah offend categorize in a way that you know, they didn't get categories like them and even even even now phone number we have people going out against the protesters armed with their rifles and shooting protestors and no one and there's no big stance against them. There's no FBI investigation into these groups and militias that we publicly know. Oh, yeah. I mean, hopefully there are but we don't publicly know about that. I mean, yeah, we don't know at least we've never witnessed that yeah, maybe years from now, we'll find out right as of now just seems like they're kind of like going about their business doing what they want. There's no public kind of like dismissal of what they're doing Behavior. Yeah. There's nothing nothing's being said publicly about that's not weird. We don't stand for that. I think people do like some our leadership is doing that not leadership other type of people in the media not everyone stands behind birth. Type of behavior. There are people who are like that's not acceptable but it's like yeah, our leadership has made that clearer shipped there. There's a lot of things that could be said. Yeah, it is a lot but I just think that's interesting. But as of now we have these people that are coming out against protesters armed and there's the leadership isn't taking a stance on that but it's an interesting thing right here compared to a black panthers that many people took stands. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they yeah FBI and all that. Yeah. Yeah. They I think they were just trying to make Society Equitable and I thought they were about empowerment for blacks that little to no support at the time. They weren't trying to hurt anybody else. They actually just wanted to help people which is a great thing to do in that a good moral standing Point actually, which I wouldn't have known when I was a kid. I didn't yeah black you're black panther and you thought who percent of people was there some just yep. You do not really tough and just do whatever they want to get their get what they want but they are more they're so much more than have. There's so much more to the Black Panthers the biggest takeaways that people don't understand that there was so much more that they yeah and and then in the open minded to hearing about them as well and like I said, there was a lot of perpetrators in the group who were made to make them out as the bad guys and young people don't want to talk about it or trade it by yeah. They were they were paid by federal government to do this. That's interesting and the US government's been caught doing this before for other groups. So it's like what's life, I mean they did it for the Black Panthers as well. We have to we have to be honest and honest with ourselves. Yeah. Our government will fund certain things that go against parties that are actually doing good things for the community. They they do that. It happens. Well, there's no there's different initiatives that are maybe more radical in nature and that Doe not necessarily stand like a dog Of us as American people are all of us in this country may or may not agree with that stance. But you know more more I think at least we should just be the problem with Pop-Pop public life around that like not just be like, oh that happened like but we should say like we should have accountability and we should we should say what actually happened though too. Right? Yeah and what actually just say that was their first job like a national issue with that. You know, there's a lot of it's it's challenging life is very sticky. Oh, yeah, but that but it's just good to know don't just have a one-sided view of these groups. I want to say that group evil know they should never exist. No, that's not what they were about let's get real people sure. You are now listening to walking free walking free walking free month free and free podcast about being real and honest. Here we go. Yo, here we go. Yo, so what so what so what's the scenario? It's scenario time guys. Scenario one Ferry and heard that the Black Panthers used to carry concealed firearms whenever they were meetings. Does this mean the Black Panthers were a pro violence militia? That's an interesting question. So especially living here in Arizona. I would say she carrying around a concealed weapon is not necessarily mean whether you're for party or not or whether you're like Pro violence or not. It just means you have an affinity for guns off. So easily forgotten. Do you have your about life at least? I guess but yeah, you'd have to and also you can't assume based on people's names if that's the type of Association affiliation you're going there you have to ask people and or if people say something some type of rhetoric that speaks to a certain party organization, then you could maybe start to ask questions or make deductions around that but one person and and just there's no tie like for me I at least that's not a clear deduction I would make but okay we have for me this this is crazy to ask just cuz you have a firearm warn you that doesn't mean you're Pro violence and you're part of your what I would go by did you use that gun? Like how often do you pull out that gun and shoot somebody if you like if you're shooting people on a daily basis then yeah, you're there's something I think your pro violence. I mean if you're okay with in writing reading laws, not necessarily what if yourself defending yourself every day. I mean, yeah, you speak with an attorney. Yeah, but you can't log But in terms of really bizarre, but I'm sure there's people that they pulled out their gun more than once though. I don't know speak with him about her. Now. I'm just saying there might be people that did that like there's public streets. You mean? Yeah, defending themselves though. Always had the best number you can well, I mean, well, yeah, that's that's a stickier situation. I mean, I don't know how it's coming about. But either way if this if this people are not pulling out the Gun and shooting people, I don't think they're Pro violence. That's all I'm I mean, that's my yeah. I think that I think a probe violence person is somebody who goes to protest and shoots the protesters that's problem Islands which has happened only recent recent times. So that's that to me is the pro violence not black panthers. They were doing that. They weren't going and shooting all these people probably thought were happened. They had very few incidents where there were few. Maybe not act in the best intention of the party and or were and maybe that was perfect. There. Were there were there were some perpetrators. Yeah, there were some perpetrators who just did stuff where it was. Like that was not a black panther affiliate. Well, you know, it's kind of like it's like let's say I'm a Democrat and then I get in a scuffle with somebody is that because I was a Democrat or is that because I'm just did ask up on my own such an interesting time now where it seems like you're going to play anybody by any Democrat you wouldn't want to but people are very tribalistic now in nature and and so for instance if you continuously see Dem like one political party in media being like really hyped up and and aggressive to another but maybe there becomes this like this song Asian and people's minds at like, oh that party does they tend towards the violence, but I don't know why people are I guess it's just that like indoctrination because certain media Outlets are more media will do that page report on party over another so then but just think of it what the media does they love to paint a picture of this person and their stories that are going to say, yes, it was this young black Democrat who was dead. Out of the Black Panthers like they would say something like that compared to this person was prone to violence, you know, hey, what would tell you focusing on the facts are like painting they've paid their own narratives and it's like, oh yeah, you know, this is part of their background maybe that's everybody and that background has the same views. No, that's not what the Black Panthers were about. No scenario to rovina is a college student that caught wind of a new group that said they were the resurrection of the true Black Panther Party. She got Shivers thinking that this group may cause civil unrest on her campus because of their probe Mantra. Is it possible to be pro-black and not racist? What an interesting great question? Yeah. So we definitely I think planned to talk about the the fact that you can love your race and not be anti other races on the show. So that's definitely to come in this scenario, you know again. And so her frame of reference here is that she she just I guess is maybe thinking on maybe some of the media or other types of narrative of what black panther Fairy Tail dead. So he's heard and it's his kind of is unnerved by that and and as thinking wow is this going to be an issue? And so it needs to be said that yeah, you can be a Warrior Race and love being a black person and love your black community and that not mean that as the antithesis and or hatred and or disdain aunt or and or attack of others to be pro-black has to be pro-black. It is not in any way have anything to do with anyone else as the same way. You would say for any other community of someone was Pro Native American. I mean they're in anyway talking about anything else or just saying I love my people you can love your people and love your culture and love your community without harming and or hurting and or wanting that intentions for anyone else. Yeah. Yep. This person needs to open up their minds to the idea that this that the the party starting could be for the empowerment of the black people present which is not to the office and or harm of any other community, but just to ensure that black people feel represented on campus at the black people feel like they have a voice and that if they are disenfranchised in any way or form that that is appropriately addressed by this community. Yeah, I mean, I think she's jumping the gun to just think that just she's going off the past things that she sort of the Black Panther Party and assuming that the same things are going to happen in today's day and age. I don't know. I mean if of a new Black Panther Party came up today, I think right now would actually not be the worst time to be honest. I think they could actually do pretty well now something about that where that they were saying that it was like a hate group. Oh, they're already trying to put well, well my truck roll party the new party might be we don't know they may just be I know I saw rhetoric saying that it is a hate group and but you know, I'd have to do more research, but that was I mean whether it is yeah cuz it's like who was saying that it was was it coming from a conservative side of the field or two? No two on it, but that's just one has information on that guys, but that in the comments, please because loved if you want to, you know, kind of talk about the new age Black Panther Party if that is a conversation people want to have put in the comments about yeah and about being pro black and I racist. Yeah, definitely agree just because you're Pro and I don't even want to think I mean races are fake. So I want to go beyond that and just say life and culture. So it's like I love my culture. That doesn't mean I hate you or it's like I can see your culture. I can bring in parts of your culture, but I don't hate yours. I just love mine a lot. Like that's fine. I'm promoting my new age. Trying to destroy you or so don't worry about that. I'm not so now if I try to do something where I said, mine is supreme. Yeah, not now now that's insane. Not the same Minds know exist know any of those words. That's that's when you get in trouble. Yeah, because now you're trying to say why you're better than one another and this is totally subjective. But yeah always subject of conversation their line of thinking with if you're pro-women, right? That means you have to be anti man. Yeah people think that too. Yeah, you can love the community that you're in with an apart separate from any of their feelings on anything else or anyone else like so you can be a feminist and not be an time an innocent man and Mystic Let's not even take ourselves seriously at all. Well, we do there's no real term for it. But that at least kind of goes hand-in-hand have everything but you know need something else wrong like a young to your yang know you gotta have like some kind of but it's a down versus Anna nothing know. Well, the universe is made for all the universe is all in everything will be good to see how that gets played out. Well, it's playing out as we speak. Well things need to change change takes time. People are impatient who you telling me. It's the real truth choir. Yeah. It's it's a hard truth. Yeah, most people they say we haven't seen enough change will do, you know, the people has not been around that long. I know people will say maybe it's years and years and years like it shouldn't be moving a bit faster this stage of the game, but maybe that is blow, you know where something that's well cuz our technology is moving faster than our social progress birth. Donna like that. Yeah. Our technology moves a lot faster is incredible technological enhancements in our society yet. Socially we're not that far off from throwing rocks at each other. So it's nice. It's just like, you know get by so like what happened? Yeah. It seems very confusing. Scenario three, but Sarah's grandfather was part of the Black Panther Party which inspired listeria to join the black lives movement a few weeks later. She was contacted by federal agents told her not to attend a political National Convention as she would be labeled a black identity extremist and possibly detained for questioning should listeria quit BLM and just focus on her day job because of these new threats. Oh, wow. That's a really profound question. So hmm. Solace Aries grandfather was a part of the Black Panthers and then that inspired licera to join the black lives matter movement. And then she was contacted with this is a real contact not like a fake person know this is definitely real federal agents not fake saying that this person is going to be identified as an extremist and probably black nationalist or something like that. Yeah off and you know, possibly her career and life consequences could be quite severe. What should lasserre do I guess at this moment unless there's going to have to have to weigh the the consequence how much juice does it matter to this person to move forward with the social justice active activity that lives there wants to do comparatively to the impact on that person's life. There's career unless there's a wife every choice you make in life has a consequence good or bad and again good and bad is our subjective terms. It's all really just contrast right so long Loser has to make that decision my decision would I I would tend to how I grew up in my lifestyle choices. I will I would choose to keep the job and identify alternative methods of activism, but that's just because I also have a Virgo and I'm a rule-follower and so you're not going to attend the National Convention might be said they told you. To do it. And you said okay, you could pick up the phone and they're like, hey, you can't attend this, you know, we're going to label like, oh, yes, I have you officers. Yes, I will not be attending now. I will he going right back to my day job you'd have yourself a fine day sir off the phone. Like yes, I am a boy not a conflict and I'm doing well, you know again do I want to deal with the I mean, it's it's a challenging situation cuz you all suck. Look into you know, did you collect the the federal agents information? And did you verify that the people speaking to you were not like you can do all that? Yeah that they were real and if they were real and this was a legitimate inquiries same to you or and or warning telling you kind of your life is about to go down a whole new brick a roads that you might not want. You have to make that decision. Not everyone's Malcolm X right not every that's true is is I you know guns blazing I I think for me I like to live between the line of wanting to pursue certain lifestyle decisions life and and and and start to build a platform for myself where if traditionalism isn't necessary at some point in my life cool, but it depends on where the Sarazen in that person's life. That's a challenging question that that's something that can be debated for hours really? Well for me this is no debate, but it's going to be something that you don't like and it's because her grandfather her grandfather was part of the Black Panthers. A party I think that obligate serve to actually continue on our movement because it's kind of like the Legacy she got to keep it going and I know you don't I know you don't cuz we're Side by that that's what it's but it's kind of know but it's kind of like I say the grandfather instilled in heard like all this knowledge. You can't just let that knowledge died. She can use that in a new party write a book know you gotta be in the trainings. She can do she's gotta be going to win it. You gotta be full in it. She can she could do quite a bit of sick. She can finalize the content. You can have a wildly successful blog. She well, you know what I would say, but I know you hated social media. Yeah, but I know I don't think you would like this but I would think that she should put this on social media that she was contacted. So it depends on what I know. He's the like a place I would want her to say. I want her to let people know what's happening to her and that she's been challenged. You know, there's You have to you really have to think about the concept actually, you know what you technically should talk with a lawyer too though, correct? I think I think that's the first step is helpful to be honest. Like I would say I would recommend taking the rights attorney. See what yeah what see what you're right, especially now identify. Like I said definitely verify the colors and get their contact information whenever someone that represents a part of the government getting their information and verify that who you think you're speaking to is what you think you're speaking to it's it's a tricky. Like I said, that's a tricky question but obligation that that part I disagree. I think I know you would disagree, you know, you you can come from a lineage of doing whatever you are your own person and you have to make your own decisions and just because you know ten Generations before you did something doesn't mean you have to just do that. Like that's I don't know not ten Generations, but a couple of generations careful about putting the type of pressure on people because it's you know, it's not fair to that person at the end of the line who's like, you know, what I don't want to do this job. But you're you're the continuation of your old Generations into the future. So you need to keep that Spirit Alive and you can do that in books and in blogs and in Social year and in trainings and you can find a way you can find a way but you don't have to make someone you don't have to obligate someone to it's the same thing. Right? I come from a family of doctors office and they don't give you a doctor. I just felt like being a street artist, you know, like that's unfair to tell someone that they can't live they can but they should draw hearts and they should draw a lungs and they should draw off human anatomy. And then that would be fine doctors patients that they are performing. I mean, well the patients are the canvases then yeah. I'm just saying they can be a street artist and just draw off me draw organs. That's fine. You're you're kind of doing medical doctor for your joint parts and but if you draw or go like realistic-looking versions, not an MD. Yeah, but at least you're home. It's in the vein same vein. I say definitely not it's not even if they draw veins on the heart come on down and you don't you don't take it as your separate. All right, you don't take us an artist that draws medical or not of them D. But something even greater. I would definitely not. Oh, yeah. Well, you know why because they're the Medical Art therapy kind of thing. You can do art therapy. Yes, but again, our therapists are not you know surgeons they're absurd but I think can they be doctors? I think they can get a doctorate in art therapy look into all that. Yeah. I'm not sure on the accreditation. Yeah same but all I'm suggesting and you're laughing so you understand that like, you know audiences laughing here. Yeah exactly. I'm hearing them right now. If you hear of the VIN your head you like I hear the I hear all the dead. Blades right now, correct. I'm ready for my anything. That's good. I know my speech will be fire. That's all I know. Oh, yeah, I you know my you've been practicing it with your monologue practice in my entire life. I've never will be fire without a single. Is that what it's all about, correct? It's challenging to make someone feel obligated to live a life just because of their history. That's all I'm going to say on that. But I'm giving you freedom in terms of not you don't have to do one space in the career, but you just gotta kind of keep true to your heritage. That's what I say. Just keep that Heritage alive. I agree to disagree. I know. Yeah, I know you want to go for but I go for people have to be free. I just think it's too much you people put so much pressure on people and it just seems so unfair and I just think there has to be another way. I think that people have a right to determine who they are before this preconceived notion of who they should be based on what where they come so you're saying or so you're saying let's say even a president's son can be become a Turfgrass major thoughts are you being so no, I'm not. I'm just saying like you just for one thing you're again if that person if that's their dream then yes, that's their drink. So that's what they decided to do. How we can improve the fields of all the you don't know what's going to happen to that for all we know that. the grass that's going to because we're going to Of grass. They're like you never know what's going to happen and what they should do is just suggest that oh, I'm my father was President. So I have to go study political science and I have to go to law school and then I need to go run for Senator and not necessarily that would be president at once what we can become a community leader or something. He wanted to be, you know, a a drag queen host or something. Like do you like live your best life always and it doesn't matter what the history dictates before you because you are you're unique person and we have to be true to ourselves even when you have a legacy, but then the trash says it's not in the trash man, if that's your legacy. You'll never disavowed that like it is what it is like but it doesn't mean that you're obligated to continue it. That's what I'm suggesting that it can stop at you. It doesn't have to continue through you cuz guess what maybe you don't want to but then you decide to have a child and that child wants it and it continues that way like dead. But you can't say that I mean in your history in your life. Do you feel you follow through on your legacies gotta know enough money? Well, technically. Yeah, I well. I mean only immediately but I don't know enough of my like super past Legacy. Yeah, I can't go back three generations and now all right. That's what they were doing. So I do this African-American. Yeah off not knowing where you come from. It's such a challenging question. Yeah, that's what makes it a little tougher. I it's hard to have that Legacy cuz then maybe I would have done the other stuff. I don't know. I might have been like a lighting expert off figure out. What's the perfect lighting for different rooms? I don't know. So you're not taking this conversation. Seriously at all might be saying that I'm just telling you about different ways. You can go I mean I could have been a political activist too long to say that I don't think that was part of my legacy, but it could have been yes. I see it now the man formerly known as K. That's what I would be Game Over song. That's what that would be my political name game over. Well not that would be my rap name. Probably a hundred percent a hundred. Thank God we are I think the universe is this page here at the time coming to the end of our hundred and sixty first episode of well M free. What was that a ritual know that was the wrong self-defense voice? Oh, yeah. See the year that that sounds kind of like tough and like you can't mess with this person. You don't shrink if you have to explain to the voice sound stuff off. Tough though. It's not I mean, I'm trying to like improve the voice acting a little bit. Okay. He said every time they know not each and every time. Why not but this was one of the times one of the few times. Yeah. I yeah I try. I mean that's pretty close though. He's got in there. Yeah. Love the ego. Nice big brother good progress pretty do you yeah from self judging off. 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A message from the team

American Hysteria

03:20 min | 1 year ago

A message from the team

"Hey, everyone like many other podcasts were choosing not to put out an episode this week. I wanted to let you know that our next episode is going to be pushed back into season four, because we wanna make sure they were always living up to our own standards of integrity and respect, and it just didn't feel like the right time, so instead our team is. is working hard to put together an episode that will hopefully encapsulate many of the things that we've previously talked about on American hysteria with the goal of creating a more comprehensive picture of the long term issues that are at the heart of the current nationwide and now global protests. Our hope is that this extra episode can serve as a brief guide for those who? Who May need more context and understanding around this explosive movement this explosive moment we believe that it's important to use the skills that we have to invite people into these difficult conversations using the past to illuminate the present in the meantime. We'd like to direct your attention to some nonprofits that could really use some help. First of all. We love the People's kitchen collective. Collective which we've mentioned before a program that was born out of the Black Panthers, free, breakfast program and there are a nonprofit that provides hundreds of people free, hot, nutritious breakfast in Oakland California. There's also a really amazing space where anyone can donate to black folks directly who have urgent an unmet needs. You can find that on facebook at facebook dot com slash groups. Groups slash reparations dot, m. e., or in our show notes and once accepted into the group. You can interact with people directly there you can make offerings of items or skills. You might be able to share, and this is a national group next I'd like to mentioned homeless backpacks. A Washington State based nonprofit run by a longtime friend of mine that supports low income. Income, students many of them, students of color with food, supplies and scholarships since covid nineteen related school closures unemployment, the number of students needing assistance has quadrupled, and these hard workers need all the help. They can get right now to keep up with the communities, needs and speaking of covid nineteen. They're still a massive need to support people affected by the vast economic issues. Issues that we're still experiencing and the nonprofit give directly is sending cash directly to those who have the most immediate needs and cannot otherwise receive government assistance. Here's to hoping that we're all doing what we can. During this monumental time whether financially or using our skills and abilities, which takes so many different forms as always thanks for listening and feel free to drop us. US A line on our social media. The links are in the show notes of other nonprofits or groups. You would like us to re post their take care and we'll be back in a week with that episode. I mentioned and then the week after with our season finale during this sometimes scary time. Please take care of yourself and take care of each other.

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Part One: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers

Behind the Bastards

1:13:11 hr | 1 year ago

Part One: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers

"Here's the thing saving money with. GEICO is almost better than playing pickup basketball. Because there's always that guy who joins your game. He never passes the rock. He constantly bricks threes. And who completely hack you. And then put his hands up and say no foul no foul with GEICO. It's easy to switch switch and save on car insurance no need to fake. An ankle sprain. Because you're absolutely exhausted. So switching save with GYCO. It's almost better than sports accepted that this is the best introduction Schema. I'm going to put together and I should just roll with it. My eight Robert Evans who boy that was rough. That didn't go well This is behind the bastards. A podcast about terrible people And today My guest is Rap Artists musician Propaganda say. Oh West West just how you doing man man. I'm honored to be here. You know I'm toning down my phantom. I've been listening ever since you. We started following me on twitter at listen to your music number times and I like it a lot particularly board of education. I think that's probably my favorite one that I've heard so far it's man And I thought you'd be a good a good guest for this episode especially since you have some like family history with the subject. We're talking about Before we're going to do you want to introduce introduce yourself differently than I introduced. It was great. Yeah no I Yeah hip hop artist Do a couple pods now Once called Hood Politics X. which may we'll talk about that later but and One with my wife called the red couch and I yeah do random poetry for a living L. A. Native two daughters and a cat now frustratingly. Anyway I love cats. Yeah Yeah Yeah well you can have ours. Yeah do you WanNa she. Should I call you for this episode. Should you WANNA go by propaganda. Should I call you Jason I it's mostly it's been shortened to prop that's but okay consensus. Yeah all right all right So today we're gonNA talk about The Black Panthers and specifically the bastards who killed the Black Panthers Yeah and that's is going to involve a lot of talk about what the Black Panthers did what they believed Which I is one of a subject I find really fascinating And this was a frustrating episode right in part. Because there's so much that I had to leave out just because you know this is an eleven thousand words script only you only get in so much This this is going to be one. We have a number of episodes like this where like people will hit me up after the wedding you bring up this. Why didn't you bring up that? And it's like yeah that's one of the when you cover something as complex six as the panthers. You're you're going to leave stuff out just because we have about two hours two and a half but yeah you have some some family history. Well yes and I thought it might be good to go into that first year. Yes so my father was a member of the south. La I guess they call it South daily really now we call it south central Chapter of the Black Panther Party In the sixties or at the end of the six thousand six nine hundred sixty eight. My father was Vietnam Vietnam War Vet Essentially as a matter of fact. When we say we're going to do this I like I called him to make sure I had my story line right and fact straight on it get up here embarrass myself But yeah so. He essentially landed from Vietnam back in Los Angeles and almost made a beeline alike. Forty I in central enjoying the joined the Black Panther Party and Yes so he was a part of the sort of after school tutoring Par Program he also was was like basically they all took turns as far as like the which. I'm I'M WE'RE GONNA get to like the policing the streets so he was you know standing behind as like you know. Interactions is with the police. Were there because you know police. Brutality was such a big deal so he was a part of that He was at the UCLA event that got shot up. He was a yes in the he said it was the the span of time he was by the time that like FBI got involved so his office got bombed outings. Yeah so and at that point my my grandmother was like baby. You can't do more so she she kind of pulled the card on him but you know but yeah he's he stayed involved in Yes so I've been hearing bits and pieces of stories as he like unpack trauma. You know what I'm saying And I grew up without those stories in my life you know and paintings of African princesses in kings on our. Why had no Disney in my house at a Mark Martin and Malcolm in Marcus? Garvey like aligning our walls and Geronimo Pratt. And just had that in my house. Yeah no that's that's that's fascinating perspective to have had in a fascinating getting like way to learn about this for me like obviously it's like a white kid who grew up in a pretty mic suburb but a suburb. That didn't have a very a huge black population relation I learned almost nothing about the Black Panthers. I mean it gets a lot of our listeners are kind of in that boat. Where like there's about three things you know about them Obviously there were a black taxable rights organization. They did that thing where they put their fists in the air and some of them carried guns and there's pictures of them carry us and I think when I got out of high school. That's about all I knew about the Black Black Panthers right like there wasn't really anything else I was aware of. I think I caught the name. Huey P Newton for the first time in the lyrics of some hip hop songs and didn't really. We know who he was so for the longest time I had no real understanding about the organization and I think they kind of blended into the general wallpaper of the Civil Rights Movement for me Until I started reading about them specifically and I've come to the conclusion and I say this a lot that it's like a an unforgivable failing of our education occasion system that this isn't a bigger part of standard American history man absolutely and like I know you'll get into but the importance didn't I know my father did put on and the party put on of like knowing the Constitution knowing how Bill O.. Rights like I felt like I was so well versed in American civics because my father was a panther. You know what I'm saying. It was funny because I was like. I just didn't understand that every every house was like this because it was normal for me so when you bring up I'm like well you know fourteenth amendment say Yada Yada Yada seventh graders and kids are like what you know. It's just I just knew this. Because that's how that's what you learn as a panther like you need to know your rights man you know. Yeah Yeah it's critical. Yeah Yeah So so we've we've got. I think we've introduced this. Well enough. Start get into the episode at Not V. Beginning but I guess a beginning On February February seventeenth nineteen forty two huey. P Newton was born in Monroe Louisiana the youngest child of Walter in Armenia Newton's seven children. His Dad Walter was I would say pretty bad ass guy. he worked two jobs his entire life. He served as the Minister for the BETHEL Baptist Church in Monroe on Sundays and Walter Alter was very infamous in his community for not taking any shit from white folks and there's a story about him getting into an argument with one of his employers young White Guy who yells at him that he whips colored men for arguing with him and Walter shot back that nobody would basically nobody whips me unless they're a better man than me unless they go beat me up and this sky. This guy backs down proving that he was not Yeah basically if you want to whip me like you gotta you gotta be able to kick your ask like I want to try that. Yeah that win. Now in the nineteen forties in Louisiana saying that sort of thing could get you murdered as a black guy but Walter had a stringent engines somewhat unique ability to stand up to white folks in his community without being killed and Huey later theorized that this is because his dad was mixed race. His father's father He was GRANDPA was a white man who had raped his mother and walters neighbors knew his white family and didn't WANNA shed part white blood. This was hueys theory when his dad was able to do this There there is something to be said that like unless you're in like communities of color just how color ISM does like in a Lotta ways police how we treat each other and how we see yeah. They're so yes someone that's a little more fair skin. We would say they would say passing like he passes US onto no so like see things you can get away with you know at least in the psyche of a person of color like myself. WHO's not lie skin? Ah In nineteen forty five. When he was a toddler? The Newton family moved to Oakland California. Now Walter always managed to bring a very very stable income The family was still very poor but like they weren't ever sort of starving or anything like that Their most common meal was Kush. which is I guess? A fried corn bread dish which they often eight for every meal of the day He grew up watching his father. Work Eighty hour weeks and still constantly be stressed out over bills In this was a oh really had a big impact on him growing this kind of constant economic anxiety He didn't have an easy adolescence. School was difficult for him and he seems to have had. I think we probably probably would would have today have diagnosed with a learning disability because he was incredibly intelligent he just teachers had a difficulty reaching him is how I would. It seems like what was going on by the time he was in eleventh grade. He was still illiterate and his teachers assume that he was just not intelligent and this was obviously not the case because hobby outside of school was memorizing poetry with his brother but it was not until his high school counselor told him that he was too dumb for college that he weepy. Newton decided he had to prove them all wrong so for two straight years. He studied like a madman teaching himself to read and write and eventually to graduate. High School In nineteen fifty nine he enrolled at Merritt College where he joined the Afro American Association and became well known for his debate bates skills All thought that he might not be material fell out the window as he began a meteoric path of scholastic excellence and he would eventually receive a PhD So yeah this seems to me to be a clear case of a kid that maybe just had like his teachers didn't know how to reach like he was. He was brilliant Do you know it's funny. Because it's like I thought about the my credibility putting on danger here by you saying stuff that I didn't know jobs said and be like Oh wow didn't know that you know and it's already started. It does like I didn't know you couldn't read till you till eleventh grade. 'cause I've only known him as like you said this war tour. You know that was able to articulate the feelings and the sentiment of black American time as crazy. I didn't know that well I think one of the one of the reasons. It's important that from a very early age. He gets this lesson that like the system clearly failed him because he didn't know how to treat him properly and he had to build a system for himself to element himself And obviously like. I didn't know any of this until I read a couple of weeks ago. I read a book. A really good book called Black Against Empire by Joshua Bloom and Waldo Martin That's a really fascinating history of the Black Panther Party And I it's it's very readable. I would say compulsively readable. It's really good history And it's like one of the major sources of this episode. It's very comprehensive and detailed old and I didn't know almost any of this stuff read it. So yeah I a hugely recommend that. Yeah and I'M GONNA actually I'M GONNA. I'm GonNa read a quote from it now. Discussing what set Huey. Huey P Newton apart from his academic colleagues quote. He had aside that most of the budding intellectuals around him lacked he knew the street he could understand and relate to the plight of the swelling ranks ranks of unemployed the brothers on the block in his words who lived outside the Law Newton Street knowledge helped put him through college is he covered his bills through theft and fraud but when Newton was caught he he used his book knowledge to study the Law and defend himself in court impressing the jury and defeating several misdemeanor charges so so good I mean I'm I'm on board with this yeah consciousness that w voice talk about like you just your street knowledge and your book knowledge is like you got them both rock rock and he your unfavorable thing that you brought up earlier we're like it's so important in this is like something. The Panthers always emphasized under have an understanding of the law in your rights. It's yeah yeah in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. Sorry no no no no I was gonna say I firmly believe this like in like I say we we built an entire show around it that like especially when it comes to politics specifically geopolitics odd. This like my belief is like if you came from from any sort of like neighborhood environment all care if it's like rule Oklahoma or you know inner city Detroit if you come from a city city and you had to navigate you know tribes in a city you understand geopolitics you just using the language for it. You know what I'm saying so so so being able to use your own what we would call like hood. Antennas to figure out what's happening in you know dominant culture world like if you have a grasp on both of those dude You're undo undefeatable. Yeah that that does make like I think maybe one of the major issues we have diplomatically. Unlike the international channel stage is that number one so many diplomats guys like donated money rich kids who get yeah but like also nobody who I I do feel like somebody with that sort. St Experience would do a better job for example of doing diplomacy in a place like Baghdad. Because you just have a deeper understanding of like yeah kind of the interpersonal relationships unshipped necessary to make you if you had. You had to convince a bully to not give you a swirly if you went through that you know how to you come to a negotiation table. You know what I'm saying especially especially like if you're Baghdad. You know what I'm saying and the bully is you know the g eighty six. You know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying bullies America. He's like well. I know how to deal with bullies. So here here's here's how to handle this. I mean yeah it. Now in nineteen sixty two Newton met a guy named Bobby Seale protests opposing. The US blockade of Cuba. Now Bobby had been born in nineteen thirty six about five years before Huey and while he was the youngest of Seven Bobby was the oldest child of three. He'd grown up in Oakland where both mother and father worked Bobby's dad was profoundly abusive if and Bobby grew up kind of accepting that random. Violence from authority was irregular. Fact of life. which again would have you know? Be obviously influential in his worldview. Is he grew up now. Obviously when people go through that there's a number of different ways they react to it and I think bobby sort of dealt with it in the healthiest way you can And became sort of obsessed with fighting bullies wherever he found them At one point when he was a little kid he saw another child shoved his sister out of a swing. Bobby push that kid out of the swing and declared that now everyone hang hang on. The playground had a right to use the swing justice. Yeah so bobby. Joined the Air Force as a young man both to get out of the House and so so he could learn how to use firearms. He was given a dishonorable discharge three years. In when he hunted down a man who stole from him and beat that guy very badly with a pipe. So you can read the story. In Bobby's biography sees the time the story of the Black Panther Party which is available for Free Online. I'll have a link to it Personally I think the dude that he attacked had it coming Bobby bounced around for a long time. After this getting whatever jobs he could for a few months at a time before they found out about his dishonorable discharge by nineteen sixty two. He was down and out in California and he took refuge taken by all such men in that situation he became a stand up comedian. Sheesh I did notice about his backstory yeah don't judge later wrote he later. wrote this that year I worked as a comedian in two or three clubs around Oakland Glendon private parties. I think Comedians a hell of a lot. They know a lot of things that are oppressive in wrong. Yeah Yeah I like that. That attitude the Huey and Bobby Seale met at that protest against the blockade of Cuba and they were both members of the Afro American Association together. The leader of that group Donald Warden was a confusing zing man who really liked Castro but was also a major believer in the power of black capitalism to fix societal injustice. He was a bitter critic of mainstream civil rights organizations since Huey P Newton was initially enthralled by Donald's ideology but he grew frustrated win over the course of months it became clear that this like talk was basically all that he felt donald was good for he also critical of Donald's focus on black capitalism. which he didn't think would do a very good job of liberating black people from the whole that he felt capitalism had dug for them again hueys? This guy grown up with all this economic anxiety. He's not real capitalism. Dude I mean we're still debating this yeah you know in community and During this episode. I think we're going to discuss At length a group of people who were distinctly on the fringes of the civil rights movement often very critical of the men and women in kind of the mainstream civil rights movement who worked to alleviate American racism through more traditional legal means And I feel like we should pause right now to talk a little bit about what legally acceptably really working towards equality looked like in this period because I think we get a sanitize at least I think is a white kid. got a very sanitized version of the civil rights movement you got you got a nice. MLK Warm Okay. Yeah and socialist. Mlb Couch But even more to the point where we're going to talk about now what I think. I got a sanitized version of more than anything was the sanitized version of how white people reacted to. MLK Yeah And how people like LBJ reacted MLK. And so we're GONNA talk a little about now that now so then as now. Most black people in America voted Democrat But this should not lead people to believe that the Democratic Party at the time embraced black people as like equal comrades They were just moderately less racist than the Republicans and not always always moderately less racist than the Republicans. Some state democratic parties including the one in Mississippi band black people for membership members of that State's Democratic Party regularly we beat and even murdered black people who tried to register to vote so black mississippians develop their own party. The Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party which focused on registering black people vote wrote three of the parties. Activists were kidnapped tortured and murdered in nineteen sixty four. which is the year that the Civil Rights Act get signed into law by President Johnson so Johnson at the time was the man who signs the Civil Rights Act into law Played a what I would describe as a profoundly cynical in gross game of political brinksmanship with the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party and he kind of yielded to the civil rights movement in a couple of areas but also tried to maintain the Democratic Party southern dominance by throwing bones to the racists in the Democratic Party and in doing so he was engaging in like a proud tradition that goes back to Franklin Delano Roosevelt during the Great Depression. FDR successfully won the black vote for the first time for did the Democratic Party by involving black people in the new deal and giving them access to social programs even appointing several Blackman as advisors but he kept Southern Racist Democrats on board by refusing to take any action against segregation so LBJ was kind of engaging at that point it was a decades old tradition within the Democratic Party Yeah Yeah and and again these are still the conversations were having you know to this day like. Ah We gave them a thought here like yeah. There's the idea of like I know you're only helping me because it's expedient for you right and then you have which you'll see in the in the Black Panther party to like these two to two sides of this coin of like the like. Yeah like the Marcus. Garvey's other world that are like they're never gonNA treat US fairly. We will never shake here. It's never gonNA work. Let's just sleeve right and then you have the other side that says like no like my grandparents my ancestors like built the built the dam nascent like what I'm saying that's our blood and soil like we we picked you know why you're superpower cause you ain't pay to workers you know what I'm saying so paso so it's like I'm just as much American as you are. Are you going. Clued me in your documents. You know what I'm saying so like that that two sides and then and then and then you and then it's like I remember the the pain and hurt in my. I am a my parents. Father 'em grandmothers is when I got so disillusioned early on I was just like hey you gonna go vote today and I was like. Oh No oh you know what I'm saying. I was sitting in his traffic. You know what I'm saying. I was like I don't even. I'll know you know what I'm saying. And just like how hard they fought just for me to have the right to do it. You know what I'm saying like me be like dog. I can't but yeah just that that like the how hard they fought for me to be able to do that. You know really gave me pause but it's still yet as saying frustration. Asian wears just like I just these people don't love us and we just will never know unless it's like expedient for them you know that if you pass a civil rights laws like Oh if you really like meat. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah and it's that's that's that's where LBJ finds himself in his. He's a guy who's racist and he's willing to Kowtow to racist he's also not so racist that he's unwilling to push for progress when he thinks it advantages him electoral pragmatic exam. That's a fair way to refer to Lyndon Baines Anes Johnson and I'm GonNa read a quote from black against empire again kind of describing how this all comes to a head at the Democratic Party State Convention in Jackson Mississippi in nineteen sixty four quote the MVP held a state convention in Jackson in early August selected sixty eight delegates to attend the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Atlantic City. New Jersey President Johnson was determined to maintain white southern support and work to undermine the MVP on August twelfth. Mississippi's Democratic governor. Paul B Johnson told the all white Dixie crat delegation in that President Johnson had personally promised him not to seat the DP. The president refused to discuss the DP with civil rights leaders and instructed. FBI Director Hoover to monitor the renegade party closely and provide regular updates on its activities to the White House. This is not going to be the last time we hear about she. So yeah basically the M. FDP's goal was to try and make enough noise at this assembly that the credentials committee would have to call a vote about whether to seat the delegation from the MVP at the convention that year and they called a number of people to testify before the committee including a woman named Fannie Lou Hamer Who is a black activist with the student? Nonviolent when Coordinating Committee now. She was fired from her job and beaten in jail by black prisoners who were being ordered by probably under the threat of death from white policemen to attacker so basically she gets thrown in jail for registering people to vote and the cops tell other people who are in prison or jail with like beat the shit out of this lady or I will deal with you and this is what a Fannie Lou Hamer says at the Jackson convention quote. The first Negro began to beat and I was beat until I was exhausted. After the first Negro was exhausted the State Highway patrolman ordered the Second Negro to take the blackjack the second Negro began to beat I began to scream and one white man got up and began into beat me on my head and tell me hush one my white man. My dress had worked up I he walked over and pulled my dress down. Pulled my dress backup all of this on account we wanted to register Mr to become first class citizens and if the Freedom Democratic Party is not seated now I question America. I just this onion of pain every time and more you dig out the happened. Yeah you know what's not not an onion of pain cheese most likely the other. That's about to be advertised. Save me from running yards random things usually. It's another pod Yup or the coke brothers or let's hope it's an oil refining its finer. 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Lean special edition smart bed during the January sale. Only at a sleep number store or sleepnumber dot com slash iheart. That's sleepnumber dot com slash IHEART sleepnumber number the official sleep and wellness partner of the NFL. We're back so we just talked about. We just talked about Fannie. Hamer and her her speech at the Mississippi Democratic Conference and it caused enough of an uproar and it gained enough national sympathy because it was televised that LBJ couldn't couldn't just completely ignore the MFDC. She gets up and kind of POSAD. People's human heartstrings. Like even people most people are pretty racist back then. They're not in human and something like that makes them feel terrible and so they're like yeah maybe we should seat this delegation which. LBJ feels. He can't do because again. He's trying to Kowtow to the racist contention to the Democratic Party. So He's put in this situation where he has to deal with them but he also is not willing to actually deal with them so instead he brings in his vice president. President history's greatest monster Hubert Humphrey and Hubert. Hebrews job is to deal with this problem. which is again? The problem is black people wanting to vote without murder. The problem is the constitution. Anyway on the problem is the constitution that pesky document so Humphry meets with the MVP delegation. And he tells them that they're not going to be seated but that the president is willing to compromise by letting what he called educated professionals from the group one of whom was white sit with the Mississippi delegation at the convention. Humphrey refused to let Mrs Hamer sit with the delegation saying the president will not allow that alliterate woman to speak from the floor of the convention. She so that's yeah. Yeah now the DP to their credit refuses to compromise but that wound up not mattering mattering because this was all a scheme in the first place while they were meeting with Humphrey Lbj had the party announced that the MVP had reached a compromise with the Democratic Party. The whole thing you've been double crossed so he'd put them in that meeting so they wouldn't know that this was going on and then by the time it was announced they have to either spoil the whole convention and the election which obviously matters to them because civil rights is on the docket or like. Just let him get away with this shit So LBJ kind of wins this round Yeah and it sucks but what happened there like the double cross in nineteen sixty four was really widespread knowledge particularly in the black community and infuriated. Many people people who felt the civil rights movement had mainly achieved cosmetic Victories Malcolm X. address these people when he said quote. Now you're facing a situation where young negroes was coming up. They don't WanNa hear that. Turn the other cheek stuff. No there's a new deal coming. There's new thinking coming in there's new strategy coming in. It'll be Molotov cocktails this month. hand-grenades that's next month and something else next month. It'll be ballots or it'll be bullets. It'll be liberty or it will be death the only difference about this kind of death. It'll be reciprocal Yup. Yeah yeah very famous speech very famous quote. Yeah a ballot and bullet speech man. Yeah resonates two-deep yeah it resonates donates and if we're you know they're like obviously the story of The the the white sort of people generally referred to as the founding fathers. Yeah yeah almost. All of them were deeply racist but there is still there. Is this one thing that's really interesting there's the similarity in sort of the language Anyone fighting for what they perceive as liberty tends to us because x's ballot or the bullet speech very similar Nathan Hale's liberty or death speech. Yes really the fascinating to me. Yeah that's a good catch man. You're young man so February Louis. Six nine hundred sixty five. We're going back to Bobby Seale and he'll be pinned down now. I just wanted to give that sort of context of what kind of how frustrating and futile it would have felt to try to do this. Legally respectively by the mainstream attitudes so February sixth nineteen sixty five was a very key day for Bobby Seale and he newton That is the day that Malcolm X. was assassinated by a member of the nation of Islam. This made bobby so angry that he grabbed a bunch of bricks from his mother's garden broke them in half and started tossing them at the cars of any white people who drove by. He vowed vowed to make himself into a mother. Fucking Malcolm X.. Millions of black folks across the country were incensed by Malcolm. X's death and six months after his assassination. The Watts neighborhood out of Los Angeles was host to something. That looks very close to a civil war. The watts riots and riot might even be an unfair term like legally. That's what they were declared. Yeah it was an uprising The most direct cause of this was the mass murder of black people by the LAPD sixty five. Black men had had been murdered by Los Angeles cops from January of nineteen sixty two July of nineteen sixty five an twenty seven cases. The victim was shot in the back. Only one of these murders orders was actually ruled an unjust homicide though and this was a case where two cops were literally playing cops and robbers with real guns and accidentally murdered a Newspaperman. Yeah so on. No no no I was GONNA say I. It's crazy like today's is one of those heavy days. I just left my migrate aunt's house like my grandma. My sister and she was just now right before. I got here talking about the watts riots and like stuff that she's never said we'll 'cause I never never really asked but like you know my my family's been in Los Angeles since the fifties you know what I mean so Y- When she was describing the moment of the the riots she started dropping? These other gyms. Like Hey you know in Jim crow originally from Texas then they moved here said the that. LAPD was like recruiting from like disgruntled like southern wants. Jim Crow ended. They were recruiting these disgruntled. Southern men men that were like frustrated about Jim Crow and wanted to do something about America so they were coming to be a part of law enforcement. So you fill compton watts. La with with these men. Who are mad that Jim crow over to powder keg you? Yeah it's GonNa Explode. Yeah it's going to explode And it does in in during the watts riots the most direct cause of the riot itself. The uprising itself was the traffic. stop of Marquette and Ronald Fry Both men were pulled over by a highway patrol cop and a crowd gathered while they argued with The crowd got very angry when the police started beating. Rena fry their mother with a Black Jack back when she came in to intervene. Start beating this middle aged woman with blackjacks. Basically like a big leather beat. Stick this this is the best way to describe it. Yeah so the watts riots deserving episode of their own for now. What's worth noting is that large numbers of the police would call them rioters? I would prefer to call them. Protesters fired on police helicopters with rifles. Huge numbers of guns were stolen. The police chief compared the violence to Vietnam and so oded black activists on the street who were interviewed by journalist at the time thirty four people most of whom were black. Were killed in the violence in mostly by police. Now all of this the failures failures of conventional politics to provide an effective remedy to racism. The death of Malcolm X.. And the watts riot. All of this helps spurred a massive surge in revolutionary black activism in the United States. It's in the mid nineteen sixties now Huey p Newton and Bobby Seale were already very politically radical When this happened and flirted over the years with a series of different groups including clued in one called the Revolutionary Action Movement Ram argued that black people were a colony Had basically been colonized by American white people and that the struggle for black liberation was part of the global struggle against colonialism which was then happening. You know we're in the post World War Two period all these different colonies around the world are starting to either. Hi there fight for their freedom or protest for it and hueys brother Melvin joined Ram but he was kind of frustrated by the fact that he felt healthy organization preferred posturing intellectual discussion to direct action. He became convinced that none of these ideological organizations could reach black people on the street. Who didn't have a thorough grounding running in political theory? Basically like what you're talking about I agree with but all you're doing this talking and you're talking about theory that's such an intellectual level that you're not able to reach people who who are just like you know living and working as a street level. That aren't academics And Bobby Seale actually joined Ram for awhile but he developed basically the same frustrations that Huey did with them and he wrote about it in his autobiography quote. I've got very frustrated with those cats. I didn't think they were going to do anything. And I became very discouraged about not being able to work with them. They had a Lotta Paranoid hangups and they began to accuse me of things. They had so many bullcrap suspicions. I couldn't deal with them and I broke loose from those cats. I got mad at them. One night and busted down their door. All of them hid behind their damn bets at that point I couldn't deal with him anymore because they wouldn't defend themselves even against one little old me there were four or five of them in the pad but they ran hiding. I just just in respect them anymore. I was thinking to myself later for these dudes. I'm going to find myself a righteous partner to righteously run with see this is terrible but I as right as that is as serious as this moment is. I only hear that in like my dad's friends voices man in house looking for some righteous. Do Yeah Man. He's cats they weren't even back to have loosen. Yeah Dan like dad would say he's like man. I just needed. Look I do run with be real bad like art. Yeah my dad's still like that catch on like what does that mean. Pop Be Selling Split Jack Like what does that mean dad bad anyway. The whole his whole autobiographies written that way. And this way I really enjoy it. Because it's not something I had much exposure to And I I enjoy that that sort of like the language he uses like it a lot. Yeah there's an just do most poetic cadence to it. Yes So the partner partner. That Bobby Seale wound up finding was Huey P Newton. Now the two had known each other for a while and they'd always gotten along but they drifted politically in slightly. Different activists circles But now after the watts riots decided to create a new organization together the Sole Students Advisory Council and they were the only people who created it but they were two of the founding members. Yeah now. They organize protests against the draft for black students because they felt like without being treated equally. They shouldn't be expected to fight for the country and and without consenting to in the same way and they also worked to half black studies courses added to Merritt College curriculum in this last one they were successful he we suggested the group should next get involved in fighting police brutality but before this project could really get off the ground. He and bobby wound up running straight into some police brutality of their own on Thursday Day march seventeenth nineteen sixty six at around nine pm. Bobby and Huey and their friend weasel were hanging out in Berkeley walking to the University of California campus. Bobby was reciting being an anti war poem. He liked uncle. Sammy call me full of Lucifer. They drew a small crowd to themselves. Who urged bobby recited more loudly in a police officer arrived right as is bobby saying out these lines? You school my naive heart to sing red white and Blue Stars and stripes songs. You school my heart to sing red white and Blue Stars and stripes songs into the pledge. Eternal allegiance to all things blue true blue eyed blonde blonde haired white chalk white skin with USA tattooed all over and the officer an off. Duty Cop named George Williamson tried to arrest Bobby for this. His justification was that bobby had been blocking the street. This caused a fistfight which brought in more cops. which led to both bobby and Huey being arrested so from poetry? y'All yeah so artists right right in poems. It's it's interesting like it says a lot about the power of poetry. This scares a cop enough that he has on his off hours to get the country gone. Yeah Yeah so next. According to the book Black Against Empire quote a a few weeks later Newton and seale saw policemen pushing around a black man for no apparent reason. The officer arrested the man and took him to the station following conference example Newton and Seale went to the station bailed out it using money from their organizations treasury. The brothers started to cry and it touched bobby deeply. Bobby was fed up with armchair intellectualize and wanted to stand up against the police recalling. I was filled with with a staunch belief of the need for Brotherhood revolution and rebellion against the racist system. So it was Huey who first suggested that the SAC member should arm themselves. elves with rifles and shotguns and host an armed rally for Malcolm X's birthday the guns were explicitly to honor Malcolm XS call black people to engage in armed self defense and Bobby Seale would write in his autobiography quote. He was running down. The law says every man has the right to arm himself by the Second Amendment of the Jive ass constitution itution of the United States. He says that we are going to exhaust that. Because in the end the man will say we don't have a second amendment of the Constitution. So Huey saying that like we should arm ourselves in protest because we have the right to do that but also they're going to strip us of our right to carry guns well history. Be Rhyming Dog. It was brilliant like I know the word is so it's such a pregnant word but just like the CO opting of language that you oh you same thing Frederick. Douglass did with his fourth of July speech of like a homey. You said you built this thing for liberty and freedom and I. This ain't my celebration. I don't know what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying that he was like these are your words. You said that film this started this nation because it is like okay. Now those your words you said all men are created equal. And they're right here. Every man has a right to bear arms. Yes would you say I mean what am I a Martian like I've right arms uh-huh yeah yeah. Yeah and he. We thought that the presence of firearms would also help to draw in the people. He called the brothers on the block. more but then you know waving protest signs and placards because a lot of those guys weren't involved with like different gangs and stuff and they understood guns in they weren't political theorize irs and he was like like this is something that I think I can get him on board with the other members of the SAC. Thought this was too risky. Bobby Seale was the only person who backed hueys plan So Oh he and Huey quit the SAC formed a new organization. The Black Panther Party for self defense in October of nineteen sixty six and during his studies. We had done research into the state of California's laws and he'd learned that it was actually legal for Californians to openly carry firearms in public. Even loaded ones provided those weapons were not pointed at anyone in a threatening manner. And it's interesting when you read modern stories about this but like mainstream news sources like the Chicago Tribune the always say it was a loophole in the law. It's not a loophole. Just legally the law the law. He didn't find a loophole. This is the law says the law. This is me in my hands up as if I'm holding an actual paper that's the law. Now this was not entirely hueys idea. He'd also read read about the actions of a group called the community alert patrol or cap over in the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles after the uprising cap had been formed to watch police in black neighborhoods and caps APPs. Efforts were incredibly important. But they're activists were often victimized and abused by the LAPD and some of them had started talking about carrying guns during their patrols. So as the Black Panthers came together plan evolved. He decided that the panthers would organize armed patrols to follow police officers around and observe them. During traffic stops the new black panthers. We started doing justice in February of nineteen sixty seven. A group of them including Newton and Seale were stopped in a car loaded down with rifles and handguns. And I'm going to quote now from great article article in the Atlantic titled the Secret History of guns quote. One officer ask to see the guns Newton refused. I don't have to give you anything but my identification name and address S.. He insisted this too he had learned in law school. Who the hell do you think you are an officer responded? Who in the hell do you think you are? Newton replied indignantly. He told the officer that he and his friends. He's had a legal right to have their firearms. Dude got out of the car still holding his rifle. What are you going to do with that gun asked one of the policemen? What are you going to do with your gun? Newton applied by this time. The scene drawn a crowd of onlookers officer told the bystanders to move on but Newton shouted at them to stay California law he yelled gave civilians a right to observe a police officer making an arrest so long as they didn't interfere. Newton played it up for the crowd in a loud voice. He told the police officers. If you try to shoot at me or if you try to take this gun I'm going to shoot back at you swine. which is ball's on him? I wonder why on everybody's t shirts rapid to modify modify God damn right because it's like he's like straight up. I mean I love that. You're painting the picture of the totality of the cultural moment. A lot of times we see history is like these like single file line events that aren't like interact all living the same moment just like now. You know what I'm saying so we put all those moments together like nothing. I mean I grew up in. I'm I'm La an eight hundred ninety. s I'm like you don't talk to police like that job saying do you feel like we. Do you know the streets. We was a gang injunctions. Like you won't talk to police right. That type alike. Is My rights like this. This is amazing. I mean Ayatollah White Guy so I have a certain degree of police shield and I would be terrified of talking like yeah so fucking incredibly he bobby and their comrades were allowed to continue on without arrest just because they hadn't broken the law the theft everyone in the car and all of the onlookers who'd gathered to watch the altercation stunned as we're stood Yes talking about it today. It's it's just hard to imagine even in twenty twenty this happening without bloodshed. Yeah so the whole event made bobby. Bobby Seale decide that Huey P Newton was in his words the baddest motherfucker in the world. It convinced Huey of something important to the gun is where it's at an about and and in yes yeah so. This spreads through the community like wildfire and young men begin joining the Black Panthers. In droves their armed patrols of the the police become a regular thing and they have a lot of strict rules about this. You never supposed to be closer than ten feet to the officer of the person being stopped. You have law books on you at the time. You're quoting quoting directly from them like they're not just like like there to intimidate the police. They're there to give information on rights to the person being stopped Yeah and so yeah. Whenever a black person was stopped by the police observing panthers would both be an armed presence there and would be providing legal advice And as their notoriety spread so too did the black panthers all across the country and firearms worry. Central Facet of their identity from the beginning new recruits were taught. The gun is the only thing thing that will free us. The group purchased rifles by selling copies of Mao. Zedong's Little Red Book to students in Berkeley. Over the years. There are some grew to include machine guns as well as tens of thousands of rounds. Sounds of ammunition new recruits receive training on Black Nationalism Socialism. And how to clean handle in use firearms. It's also worth noting during this period that we talk doc in my audiobook the war on everyone We talk a bit about how. KKK groups white supremacist. Groups are easily able to buy and smuggle machine guns. This and other military grade weaponry from the army from like racists in the army at this point and the Black Panthers do the same thing from black people in the army. Yeah like. They're getting machine guns and weaponry directly. Say I probably wouldn't share this but I'm going to all truly your followers but like I just found this out on Thanksgiving that like my uncle. Charles rose was like doing that like he was like. He's like selling first of all he was like. He said he was selling like he was selling like engine parts in like Munich. When he was hit really dislike to civilians part I just like SELA SELA goes out of San Francisco Alkyl Charles I was like what he's I? Yeah he got I discharge. Because he was selling weapons. Sorry sorry to any listening statutes over. It's it's a situation where there's a lot going on here. But both the panthers in the K. K. K. not that there's any moral equivalency between the groups but they both suspect that a massive civil war is coming either. It's going to break out or the the bombs are going to fall in the wake of the nuclear apocalypse. There's going to be fighting between You know like racists non-racist your black and white depending on your perspective and so there's there's this belief that like. We are arming ourselves for a war of survival and considering there are thousands of heavily armed racist people like Louis Beam who were specifically talking talking about war waging award extermination against America's blacks like. That's not an unreasonable thing to win. Arm Yourself against. Yeah now yeah. That's the part that like I. I really wish people could could like understand like the tone in ir of the moment that this stuff is not imaginary like this is yeah with like elected officials as you know in certain states or just people like Amer just like no our plan is to wipe y'all out. Yeah do you have said Oh. You're not you're not like not like ambiguously Isley Racist Kind Nazi light you know what I'm saying it's like now we're trying to wipe out. Yeah Yeah and you. It's like this is something. The thing I come to a lot in the modern day was like you can keep your opinions on on gun control. there's a lot of different attitudes on that. I will listen to them but I I can tell you from experience talking to a lot of people in a lot of parts of the world win someone wants to exterminate you. There's nothing you'd rather have in your hand absolutely again. Like for like the invention of the modern day I say modern with quotes as a historian of CRIP and blood like the invention of the street gang specifically growing up in Los Angeles puts such a different taste in your mouth about guns. That's what I'm saying. So it's like you know so like it's hard for me to like you have my father to have nots. You're talking about your civil right man. He's people vinegar you know what I'm saying. He legged look. Look why do you get you say and then yeah and then you got the streets with. That's like if you pull a gun out. Then that means that like y'all. I'm not a civilian like so so if somebody stops you and it's like hey where are you from saying if I had a weapon on me. It's like Oh oh you signed up for his gang life but if you don't have one it's like man look. I'm a square wave basketball practice with that sort of juxtaposition. It's sometimes it's hard for myself to rain around it. You know what I'm saying but at the same time if knowing the context of these people are living in Syria Monzo. You know what I'm saying like he's people who live in these contexts like not. This is not an option and it is also. Yeah Yeah. It's also like the difference between just individual self defense in this idea which there's a lot of flaws behind a lot of the thinking that occurs in in the United States on this this subject. You can say statistically like actually. You're more likely to be harmed if you have a gun in the home. The difference between that individual self defense and collective self-defense. Yeah eh which is yeah good too deep a subject to really delve into very yes earlier while we're trying to into the pantyhose but you know what's not to deeper subject to Delvin through right now. We go what is the which increases. I'M GONNA do. I'm GONNA do their best setup. 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Reagan was not in any fucking way about to let alone Blackman exercise their right to bear arms and legally observe the police. I shouldn't say black men because they were black women involved at this point to do. The last year of the Black Panther Party was really the ladies because they locked up or killed us. Yeah so yeah yeah. Yeah so oh yeah like the the the the the White Republicans particularly WHO governed state although? It's not like the White Democrats in the state provided in the opposition to this Decide that action needs to be taken And the guy to do this was should heal named Don Mulford. What's your shit? He'll I love it. I gotTa tell you is another digression. I feel like I don't know nobody cusses. More poetically than black people are old black man. No way causes more poetic Wittig the him but the most creative in innovative things to call someone come out of the mouth of middle aged white men. They don't know anyone. That's buck tarred tell you shit stick like what ask given. Yeah Yeah Shaimaa see. That's what this is. Why intersection import us? In the best way to cuss multiculturalism not coach. Elizabeth really improves the use of obscenities. Yes critical yes so yeah Don Model Don Mulford Mulford offered was the community assemblyman for Oakland in April of nineteen sixty seven. He proposed the Mulford. ACT A bill that would strip Californians of their right to carry firearms in public. The M- offered act was a pure act of legal targeting against the Black Panthers. I'm going to quote again from that. Atlantic article what Republicans California eagerly supported increased gun. Control Governor Oregan told reporters that afternoon that he saw no reason. Why on the street? Today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons. He called guns a ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of goodwill will you read that's Republicans. Now tell that to a cop right so funny to me. I'm just like okay yacht. Yeah Yeah no not even thirty years ago thirty years ago three or four years ago you sand literally the opposite of what you're saying. Yeah yeah in a in a later. Press Conference Reagan's Reagan says He. He doesn't know of any sportsman who leaves home with a gun to go out into the field or two hundred for target shooting who carries that gun loaded and he says the Mulford Act should work no hardship upon on the honest citizen and of course the NRA completely backs the Mulford no problem with it at all all onboard. This appreciate that appreciate you take a second to appreciate that. Somebody dropped some like some like SPA music right now to appreciate Dan. I was for gun control to make sure you can't carry a loaded weapon to find your palm. I don't know I just thought like squad. You think you know what I'm talking about. That's the best part you exactly. It'll anyway. So Huey Huey furious about this. But he's not surprised as I read that quote from an earlier heat immediately predicted. This is going to happen once we start doing this carries out a protest He organizes a group of panthers armed to the Gills to go march on the Capital Building in Sacramento Twenty. Four men and six women showed up led by Bobby Abby seal they walked up the Capitol steps guns in hand and Bobby read a speech quote. The American people in general in the black people in particular must take careful note of the racist California legislature aimed at keeping black people disarmed and powerless. Black people have begged prayed petitioned demonstrated and everything else to get the racist power structure of America Right. The wrongs owns which had been perpetrated against black people. The time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late after this seal and the others went inside the building bearing loaded firearms the Capitol building. And they were allowed to do this because they were abiding by the law entirely in the day proceeded peacefully and before we move on. I think it's worth worth dedicating a little bit of time to how the mainstream media covered all this and the short of it is they were not fans of the panthers. Really The New York Times is coverage of the event which I can only read in my old timey white man voice. Let's go. I'm negroes protest gun bill. Sorry in response to that. Yeah I did find some credit to the New York Times a Modern Day New York Times article that quotes Jane Rhodes which is very like admitting like we fucked up and we're very unfair in our coverage and it quotes. Jane Rhodes Professor of African American Studies. Daddy's assaying the newspaper was dubious and skeptical of them. It also gave them a tremendous amount of coverage. The media like most of white America was deeply frightened by their aggressive and assertive style of protests. And they were offended by it and that October Two Thousand Sixteen Times article I found analyzing this by Giovanni Rosenello leans into acknowledging how unfair the coverage was and and he writes about the Times is first articles on the Black Panthers what the article did not explicitly say. Though it was reported later by others was at the panthers had read a statement that afternoon calling upon the American can people in general not just African Americans to help them in their push for rights the time since its own reporter a few days later to write a profile of Mr Newton. The party's young co-founder that article. Cool was no more measured than the first. It barely mentioned police brutality instead lavishing attention on the fact the panthers had weapons political power comes through the barrel of a gun. Newton was quoted as saying being so the journalists who cover this ignore police brutality. Nor that like there's a self defense of here. What do you expect us to do when we're being shot? Yeah that's one of our rights. Our nation's founded on the idea that that human beings can arm themselves in self defense. Yeah that's what we're doing. They ignore that if they're looking at these black men carrying guns. Oh God yeah so on July Twenty sixth the racist California legislature passed the Mulford Act with the NRA's in our as enthusiastic approval and governor. Ronald Reagan signed it into law so the Black Panthers were thwarted at least in the state of California from carrying out armed patrols any longer but the organization continued to grow spreading across the country and drawing in thousands upon thousands of members. And as the group grew Huey and Bobby and the other leaders expanded the sort of things the Black Panthers I did. It was not enough to just advocate armed protests in police patrols. They needed to mobilize their community in that. They felt meant helping their community. In the early years the Black Panthers developed a concept they called revolutionary intercommunal which something I really think the modern day left needs to kitted shit together. Oh my God if you it. PBS describes this as the strategy of building community service programs or survival programs programs meant to develop positive institutions within the community to help individuals meet their needs. The panthers developed over sixty such community programs now. These communities survival programs ranged changed from the People's Free Shoe and clothing program to the free plumbing and maintenance program to the free pest control program to the sickle cell. Anemia Research Foundation and the People's free ambulance service will the news breathlessly covered. The panthers armed marches in their confrontations with police. The ignored most of these other programs. One member later a guy named Roger Smith said this yes. You don't read about the survival programs we're doing for the people the Free Children's breakfast program trying to feed some of these hungry kids before they go to school in the morning the educational programs we had going on on for these kids for the older folks as well. You don't read about that. The Shoe giveaway the clothing giveaway the Cote giveaway. We had going on back east so these people don't freeze death during the winter months. The Free Prison Bussing Program Rebuffs People from the community out to the prison the penitentiary so that people can visit their loved ones who are incarcerated. You don't read about that. You don't read about the free ambulance service that we had going on in Winston Salem North Carolina our Alina because black people in Winston Salem Carolina were denied basic emergency healthcare. You don't read about that you don't read about the free sickle cell. Anemia testing program. We tested over five hundred thousand than half a million people before the US government ever realized that sickle cell. Anemia was a threat to the wellbeing of black people in America. You don't read about that. Why because there's no sensationalism awesome there no dramatic value? It doesn't sell newspapers. It doesn't boost the television ratings. It's just some black people getting organized to help some other black people. Yeah that's that's so that's the panthers I know. Yeah you know the like which I mentioned at the top of the show. That's what my father was. Part of the after school tutoring program so like I just know them as people have fed us in the morning. I mean obviously not US cause I wasn't around then but like fed kids in the morning warning help them with their homework after school and the attitude even to this day was like you can't look out Kelly for a handout from your oppressor like these people have gone help you. You know what I'm saying like. Why would you take the money? Why would you take services because they these take your press? There's no serious you have said so. Like that was always his attitude. He was like man. Find it on your own men don't don't the UK. Oh these people. I find it only take care of your own. That was always attitude. Yup Yeah that makes a ton of sense Motoko Lake Roku. There's there's a few hundred like leftover things where just generational speaking there's like we still have a generation like like gap. Like you know when when I started doing music full time like the label. I was a part of was like one of my best friends. And you know he's White Dude Right so my dad. I still had this like I like I like that boy but you know you you gotTa Watch them white men now seriously. Okay pop okay. I mean I get it with but like I'll be the reds high school. You know what I'm saying like I think we're good you know but but still he still has a little bit of that. I mean he's definitely not the same any was we still. Has that like how you know you. GotTa you gotTa Watch them saying not really take care of you know I mean. It's it's not unfair. Yeah not unreasonable. Considering like yeah the time and place yeah experiences he had And I think like you have to open the story of the Black Panthers by talking about armed self defense the guns because that is how it really started. I do think even even a lot of people on the left who admire particularly white people enough to admire the panthers. They focus a lot on that part because it is again the Mo- and not enough on what really is the most revolutionary part of the panthers. Which is the survival program? Yeah the the. I don't know if the book got into it that Orme we'll get to a later but just the actual like provable. Success rate you know what I mean like the yeah movable results like this actually worked you know what I mean. Blood testing half a million KOMO news lack people sickle cell. Anemia for the government. Realizes it's a problem for black like. Yeah that's huge. That's an enormous effort. Yeah that's like a state level effort. Yeah that is. It's all community volunteer driven. It's now by some accounts. The most influential of the survival programs was the free breakfast for Children Program While all students were guaranteed a free lunch was part of their public education in nineteen sixty seven the US government spent only six hundred thousand dollars a year on breakfast for students. The Black Panthers saw this whole the social safety net and realized it was harming black children more than any other group in the country and so they took action to fix this now the communities in which they provided free breakfast for children. We're not all instantly. Currently on board the Black Panthers were a Revolutionary Organization famous for Confronting Police with firearms. People like minister bridges of the Saint Augustine Church in Oakland were initially suspicious when the a group asked to start meeting a distributing breakfast there but gradually the panthers won them over in. The community rallied to provide them with donations of grits eggs toast and milk to feed hungry school children much. The food was donated by local businesses from a mix of altruism and fear of social reprisals by the Black Panthers. And I'm going to vote from Black Against Empire again at times the Panthers Cajoling Bowling Blended into harassment and strong arming far. More common. Where boycotts and pickets of businesses that refused to assist the programs equally common tactic of calling out publicly shaming those who refuse to help churches and other community based organizations that refused to help notably those who refused to sponsor or allow breakfast programs on their premises face similar treatment for starters the Panther newsletter and Panther representative presentative railed against the non supportive business person or community leader as a capitalist pig other epithets included religious hypocrites lying preachers and merchants and avaricious businessmen German Dang cancer dykes since yeah? I'm back tearing. I you know. It's I think that's perfectly quickly fair because the ultimate goal here is to get kids food. And you've got you've got plenty of extra food like why are these kids starving in the morning. Yeah and then you probably complaining about them. I'm saying yeah you know. Run A yo streets. It's like well they're hungry and you can. Yes that yeah. Yeah now. The Free Breakfast program itself was a mix of pure altruism truism poor kids needing good food and also clever propaganda. The program highlighted the fact that the richest nation on earth then waging a brutal inexpensive war in Vietnam could not provide Ada simple breakfast for all of its children the leadership of the panthers who suspected or outright hoped in some cases that they might one day wind up an armed revolutionary struggle with the. US government knew there. There was a tactical benefit in winning hearts and minds this way. One of them noted while we might not need their direct assistance in waging armed revolution. We were hedging our bets that if we did they would respond more or favorably to a group of people looking at their children's welfare. Yeah Yeah In November nineteen sixty nine the Black Panthers announced that their program had spread to twenty three cities and distributed free breakfast to more than twenty thousand children that number wound up. Being more like fifty thousand minimum the law took notice in Baltimore. Police called this program affront for Indoctrinating Children Panther propaganda. She responded has only law enforcement. Kim and I'm going to quote again from Black Against Empire. Police federal agents is regularly harassed and intimidated program participants supporters and party workers and sought to scare away donors and organizations that house the programs like churches and community centers Safa Bukhari's discover that participation in one of the Harlem free breakfast programs fell off after the police spread a false rumor among black parents that the children were being fed poisoned food. Disinformation campaign pain in Richmond. California suggested the party used free breakfast for Children Program to spread racism and foment school riots student. Participation began to decline forcing local panther leaders to to combat the official disinformation. The police were not above rating breakfast program locations. Even while the children were eating in the Baltimore Panther Branch was comparatively small but as Judson L. Jeffries demonstrates the branch endured excessive amount of violent repression. And not even children were spared harassment by the police one morning. The Baltimore police disrupted the children's breakfast barging menacingly. Interestingly onto the premise a witness recalled they walked around with their guns drawn and looked real mean. The children felt terrorized by the police. The police were like gangsters and thugs. Day Yeah just getting breakfast. Homey just trying to feed his brush. I A- breakfast. Yeah while now of conventionally. The state decided that the danger of this propaganda of the deed as I think Kuhnen would've called. It was so great that the only reasonable response was to start providing American children with free breakfasts by Nineteen seventy-two the US government free. Breakfast program had reached more than one. Point eight million children. The massive upswing funding for this program proceeded directly reckless from Panther activism. Norma to make a former Panther said this in an interview with eater dot com. I really do believe that. The government expanded their program. Because of the work we were doing. I don't don't think the government wanted to be outdone by a community based organization especially the panthers. I really think we were very instrumental in school. Food Programming Joe. I'm positive positive. That's what happened. Yeah Hey man what do we as like. Hey guys or these these the poor three fifths of a human people out humanizing us like what are we doing. And it's it's remarkable the amount of fear that was generated by the Panther Breakfast program and in some cases it was more than the fear. They had as result of the armed confrontations by the pants. Yeah evidence of this put an ideas in their brains and getting ideas and the all skull. They don't need the government at all in San else. We should've never gave him no money. sorry on May Twenty Seventh Nineteen Sixty Nine J. Edgar Hoover director of the FBI and gigantic piece of Shit and wrote this memo one of our primary aims in counterintelligence as it concerns the Black Panther Party is to keep this group isolated from the moderate black and white community which may support it. This is most emphatically pointed out in their breakfast for Children Program where they're actively soliciting and receiving support from uninformed whites and moderate blacks. So yeah as crazy. I like. They immediately assume they're uninformed yeah it's like. Oh you must not know what they're doing. I know what they're doing. They're they're feeding our kids. The kids being kids. Will you know they're socialist. Will Socialist mean means. Socialism means. My Kid doesn't start. Maybe like socialism thing. I can't pay for this. y'All not helping me get it. Yeah so you caught him whatever they want. Whatever whatever you own breakfast my children yeah but you know it? It says a lot about the state of the government what about the nature of capitalism about the nature of law enforcement that the free breakfast program was one of the things that scared the FBI director the most yeah and in part heart to we're going to talk about J Edgar Hoover's plan in the nationwide law enforcement campaign to take down the Black Panthers for you guys nice to learn this stuff. Yeah so this is a behind the behind the bastards episode. We're not talking mostly about bastards in this one but you need the setup to really understand how shitty the bastards are car yeah love it so prop yes in the end of part one you WANNA drop a couple of plugs at the end and we will sail out until Thursday. Oh my God bad yeah so. Website is prop hip hop which is also all of my sort of social media handles proper pop That's for tour dates. Waits for my own podcast again. Call politics believe politics is just gang banging in Nice suits so we just kinda like explain your headlines. Justin gang terms terms to help you understand what's going on and Yeah and yeah just hit me on the website and in the SOC meets prophet up yet and I'm sure folks who are listening who are really knowledgeable of the panthers notice. There's some crucial stuff. We left out from this period We we haven't talked about Some important figures we haven't talked about like the ten point program program. We're going to get to a lot of that in part to. It's kind of impossible to like. Do this all chronologically. I just kind of had to set it up the way I was prepared to before you ask House prepared to have like mercy for you because it's such a big thing you know what I'm saying and it's like I'm pretty sure there's other episodes where there were other people that are like grossly well familiar with like whatever you WanNa talk about it. I didn't know about you know what I'm saying. So like like like the art Kelly episode. I was like grow up on Ninety Zombie. You're not going to know some not cut things is that I know anyway so I was prepared to give you a so. I'm telling I'll listen to cut some slack. Dag like you're saying Kay cover everything thicke. Yeah and we'll we'll get to. I think a lot of it In part to You know as much as possible. Eleven thousand words and two hours and change aged yes sir but That's going to be on Thursday You can find all the sources for this a behind the bastards dot com. 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Sawbones: The Black Panthers and Public Health

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Sawbones: The Black Panthers and Public Health

"Saw bones is a show about medical history and nothing. The hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion. It's fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back. Relax and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. Your worth it. is about the books? In your. In your. Safe Zone? South. Hello, everybody and welcome to solve bones through misguided medicine Amer Co host, just Mackerel and Sydney mcelroy. Just I wanted us to continue on saw bones this week to talk about things that are relevant to. The issues of the day to to the protests that we're seeing to the the numbers how many people are speaking out against police brutality especially when it concerns the black community and in that in that effort, in addition to protest scene and donating and all the other things that you're. You're encouraged to do to help one thing that I as a white person have been trying to do more of. Is learn. Listen and learn. And, in in that pursuit of knowledge which. I will be the first to admit I have not done enough of. You know I have not I have not studied not just black history, but. All history the truth our history enough to really really understand all of the context for the events of the day. You know even if you feel like you, do and you, you already are on the right side of this issue of the right side of history a guarantee you. If you're not a person of color you have more learning to do. There's more reading you can do. And one thing in particular reading is kind of what you said. More read this half to be reading I'm in for sure. The reading though Wolf. You Know I. GotTa Say Justin Actually in preparation for this episode. Not only have I done reading, but I did get to watch a movie, so that's kind of fun that one day in class. When you have the substitute, he's like anyway. Here's Mr Holland's opus. We'll check on an hour and a half. So I well I thought you would appreciate that it that there's a movie you can watch to help. Learn this history, much or podcast. You can listen to there you go. I I WANNA, thank a to people who alerted me to this one. We got an email from Khloe who mentioned this as a potential topic? Thank you and too. I saw a twitter thread from Clare Willett. Who alerted me to an area of history that I? I don't I didn't have much understanding of and I. Think my vague impressions were to say the least incomplete, and that's the history of the Black Panther, party and specifically the work that they did in the public health realm. It's been interesting to. As we go back and reexamine stuff like this At first, it's very scary to talk about something that you thought you understood about. The world and how it works, and you're in history. And have it completely dismantled in front of you? I'm now finding it kind of invigorating like I. Find like the more of this I. I'm sort of trying to immerse myself in and learn When. You mention the Black Panthers like Justin. What do you think when I say Black Panthers? He said when we started this and the stuff that popped into my head was the stuff that I had been shown told my entire life. which is you know a militant group of violent group of black people that were very angry and dangerous and. The image of the berets and the guns. Yes, and that's an to be there. When I started to think what was I taught in school. I don't know if I was taught anything I. Don't know if this was discussed much other. Then like aside, mention in the probably in a chapter about civil rights probably in relation to Martin Luther King, probably in February probably in February and but I don't think and I think that white people need to understand that knowing black history is knowing history, and if you think that that is a subsection, something separate. No, you don't know your own history. You don't know the history of this country and only by understanding that. Are you GonNa? Have a really good context for what is wrong today and what needs to change today and how much it needs to change. The extent of the change that needs to happen So I had the same vague impressions I win. If you would ask me, I would have pictured somebody with a beret in a gun. And I thought well, they definitely were on the right side of the issues. Civil Rights I would agree with that, but they. They believed violence and I wouldn't. So that was the whole impression I. Had I knew almost nothing else and. I don't want to say it's like a lot of things. History is complicated. People are complicated and at the same time that you have people wringing their hands over the protests right now, saying well, but not the looting, but we shouldn't be looting, and you have to understand that when people are angry and they've been oppressed, and they're standing up for their freedoms and their rights. However they do that I, support that and I know that's complicated and I know that's not so clear. Cut as well, but I don't believe in violence. Sometimes, things aren't clear. Cut and we have to be comfortable with that I. Think the Black Panther Party is a good example of that. Certainly when they started, they were founded in October of nineteen, sixty six in Oakland California by Bobby Seale and Huey Newton and they were definite. There definitely was a an like an edge of violence to the beginnings, an intention that not an intention to violence, but an understanding that if it is necessary, it is the action that will be taken a willingness. Yes, and it was. To be fair, it was based on the idea that they were watching. Their, their friends, their family, their community, other people of Color. Be. Beaten Killed and unfairly incarcerated by the police. And they wanted to put a stop to it. And this was, and they knew at the time that the protests, the marches the sins. It wasn't changing. The system was so based in white supremacy that these actions. Important, in meaningful they may be. We're not going far enough and so the original. Intention was what we're going to do is go to places. We will patrol the streets and when we see an arrest happening. We'll stop. We'll get out of our car and will watch. And we will be an intimidating presence because we'll have gotten. That was very. That was very key to the bean armed was very much part of it because the message was. We're watching you and we can do something about it if you're not careful to. The police officers who were involved in the arrest, and if there was no evidence of police brutality, things could proceed without any sort of. Confrontation, but if there was the Black Panther party was willing to to step in. And they're certainly were conflicts that ensued from this I am not. Going to lead you to believe that there were never shootouts and shoot INS and All kinds of violent confrontations between various members of the Whack Panther Party and law enforcement. However. That is not the entire story of the Black Panthers which is again. I think something. A lot of people don't know. within a few years of its inception. The party realized that it needed to do more. Than just protect people than just be sort of the the Guardians. they they also needed to connect to the community. Reach out to the community and find ways of supporting the black community that their that their government wasn't doing I. Mean They saw that gap? There one of the one of the things that they said is you know research came out around this time that children do better in school. Pay Closer attention and have less fatigue if they get breakfast in the morning. A simple 'em in this study was released. Simple idea right well loan at this point I think race yes. And so the Black Panther party said. Well we could feed kids breakfast. That's something we can do. because in their community. A lot of children of color were not getting breakfast in the morning. Usually related to socio economic issues and again the systemic racism that we talk about in housing in access to you know healthy food and clean water, and all that for all those reasons poverty as well. Kids weren't getting breakfast, and they said you know what we're going to fix this. So the began to set up free breakfast programs, and it was very simple, they would. Buy All the ingredients they had a place. Where would advertise from these hours? Bring your kids. Breakfast is free. And they would serve breakfast to kids, and this was a really impactful program. They've at their height. They were providing up to twenty thousand meals a week at various locations there was it started with one site, and then it spread throughout two different parts of the community, and as the Black Panther party spread throughout the United States and they were different chapters in different areas of the country program followed, so this was a huge impact, just feeding kids breakfast, and it was a very direct, was a of the party connecting to the community. You know saying like. We're here. We're not just here to carry. We are here to serve our community and it was a hugely impactful program. They started From that it began to be clear like this is one aspect, but and we you know just like I. Think People are saying now. We had been focusing purely on the law enforcement criminal justice angle of this. But here's another area where racism needs to be addressed You know black kids disproportionately weren't getting breakfast. Let's fix it. What other areas could we address? Which is the same conversation? If people aren't having if white people I should say aren't having. They should be having today. which is this problem goes beyond? Police officers. This problem goes to every institution as we talked about last week. Healthcare everything in this country. And the Black Panther said well, if the whole system is broken, we need to start addressing every bit of it. We can and. To affordable healthcare and specifically in National Health Insurance Plan Was a big part of that they believed now part of that is that the the Black Panthers very anti-capitalist, and so it is not surprising that a capitalist. Medical Program as we have in this country, capitalist medical system would be one target they they very much saw that as broken many people living in the black community did not have. Insurance or didn't have access to a doctor. There were no offices nearby. There wasn't hospital that would serve them. they in. They couldn't afford the care, and so they saw that there was a a disproportionate amount of lack of preventive services lack of chronic disease management lack of screening programs. All kinds of things for. The communities of color and so in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety two. As part of their ten point program the Black Panthers also. health. We won't completely free healthcare for all black and oppressed people. Was added in nineteen seventy two, and if you notice I, think it's really interesting, it's not just for all black people The Black Panthers were advocating for. Free Healthcare for everyone who is oppressed so other communities of color and even poor white people at this point in history well, it's one of those things that is so essential to us that no other part of the equation matters so much. If health is not addressed, it is, it is the the the standard. Against, which everything else has to be judged? And they believed that the government should be providing it and there were lots of I, mean again. The idea I think a lot of people have looked at in the recent elections and debates among various politicians talking about the way to fix healthcare in this country, people look at socialized medicine single payer healthcare as like a radical idea. There's nothing radical about this idea. The it's it's an old idea that people have been advocating for a long time. Especially people who are oppressed have been advocating for it for a long time, and throughout the world it's not a radical idea. And so when the Black Panthers were looking to other places in the world where they had healthcare for all their citizens and saying we want the same thing here. That's a thing the government should do. This is not a radical idea. It's a good idea. Yeah, we haven't done it. So they did it. They began to establish free clinics in nineteen sixty nine. They were called the. People's Free Health Clinic the first one that they establish was in Kansas, city and soon after that they would mandate that every chapter. The stout throughout the country establish a free clinic, and a dozen were set up between then and nineteen seventy-three and a quote I found a quote from the Black Panther Paper in and nineteen seventy. That sort of outlines what most clinics were capable of providing. They were all a little different, but this was kind of the basic idea. The clinic will offer absolutely free. The services of a family doctor, including checkups, immunizations, blood, tests and health education a major emphasis. Emphasis of the clinic will be on preventive medicine. People will be encouraged to have regular checkups and to come to the clinic at the first sign of medical troubles, and they went a little bit even beyond the sounds kind of your routine primary care office. Right or urgent care plus Primary Care Office other primary care does urgent care to, but all combined but beyond that they had classes in first aid in lab techniques, teaching people skills that they could use. Um and it was all staffed with volunteers from hospitals in the area from the community. people who. Wanted to be I mean 'cause. If you think about this period of time, people who wanted to be part of the civil rights movement part of changing things in this country in a real fundamental way, but didn't know the best way there's their skills could serve that caused this if you were a medical student. If you are a physician if you were a nurse, if you. Were A lab tech. If you were able to learn that stuff. Whoever that this was a way you could serve the community and I think like a the existence of program like this and you know this is still happening today. The existence of programs like this should. Be Proof of the problem like it, because there needs to be facilities like this like the gap is proven like they're. It's there it. You know what I mean like the the inequality and and immorality of the medical system I think is proven out every day. When you see the existence of places like this I think they're attempting to Bioko correct. Crook fill-in the gaps. It I think that's a really important point you make just and I've seen people saying say it again. Lower I've seen people say before. Again just deciding a really important point you make justice be do at one more time, but hit the really like just. Move Forward. Okay. I think that. When you see. And we all see this constantly. A family set up a gofundme page. To pay for medical bills. Yes, when you see a jar for donations at the counter at a convenience store for a local fan issue that it's usually to help pay medical bills or surgical bills or or cancer, treatment bills, or whatever when you see that every time you see that I know you. Do you see it on facebook all the time? That is a failure of the American medical system every single time. Why why does that happen and the N.? Exactly? The the panthers saw there was a need. This was a failure specifically with their community with the black community, but for all oppressed people. This was a failure and they sought to correct. we wanted to do something a little bit different. This week for the billing department were about to head into briefly. We're going to be donating all of our ad revenue this week. to the Briana Taylor Fund Brownsville was a twenty six year old. African American Emergency Room, technician who? In March. Police executing a search warrant incorrectly. Burst into. 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Donate to a fund at this time or Even if you can't do so with money, there's ways to donate you without money or education. Whatever resources if you go to black lives, matters dot, c., a. r., D., C., O.. You can find everything that you need anyway. To the billing department. Let's go! So as I was saying, the clinics were, they were staffed by volunteers. They were supplied by not donations I was reading one article that was really interesting. one of the volunteers at the Boston Clinic wrote about their experience, and they're saying that when they first started like okay, we're GONNA set up clinic here. To get they got a trailer to serve as the building, and then they had to like. Hook it up to electricity and. They used like streetlamp to like. Feed the electricity off. So it was really like a grassroots effort to. Like build these clinics fill these clinic staff. These clinics It was a really impressive. I mean 'cause. That's a hard thing to do. That is a very difficult thing to do, and they were able to do it at multiple sites throughout the country to serve a local community of of the under served In publishing these clinics, they also identified an under-researched of medicine that they thought they could make a difference. sickle cell anemia so as you may already know I. Don't think we've ever done a full show on sickle cell I. Don't think so but this is a this is a condition that primarily affects the black community, and although it had been I described as in they saw the shape shells under a microscope and talked about it back in nineteen ten. There was very little effort to screen for it to develop treatments for it even to this day I would say it's an underfunded area of of medicine under a developed in terms of treatment, and so The Panthers thought you know the first thing. If we're going to learn more about this, we need to figure out who has it and like help. People get into medical care if they have this condition and don't know and. And so they developed a national screening program for sickle cell anemia, they would recruit people like medical students from different communities to go into the community to people's homes or to a location within the and perform the task there initially they were getting kits like aided for this purpose, but eventually they ran out test kits to perform the screening, and so there was a a Harvard graduate student in Biology Bill Wallis who made his own. Maison. His screening tests with his skills as a as a graduate student in biology. and They would use these tests the night before the screening, the panthers would basically go out into the community. Put up a ton of fliers. Let everybody know. Hey, look tomorrow. We're going to have this screening program. You know this is really important. You need to get checked for this And then they would the next day send out the students. The doctors whoever in their white coats would go. Out into the streets and find people who needed to be tested, who wanted to be tested and screen them for sickle cell anemia, and they had a whole pro- process in place once they located people who tested positive. To refer them to willing doctors within the community to hospitals for further treatment, and in for a genetic counseling and everything, so they did it from front to back the 'cause. That's always a concern. Right if you have a screening program. Once you get those results you. You better have people. I mean these these are the uninsured in a lot of cases we better. Somebody's willing to take care of these people and the the Black Panthers organized all of that so that they got these people into treatment and to see doctors, and all that too so it was an incredibly effective program It led to eventually in one, thousand, nine, seventy, two, the National Sickle Cell Anaemia Control Act. This was the one thing that eventually like Nixon would get on board with was the sickle cell program Mary was such a bag. I know he was bad guy, but this this actually the the actions of the Black Panther Party really increase the national focus on research, funding and treatment for this at the time now again. I would say this effort was entre once it was handed off to the United States. Government and the powers that existed was inadequate in the long run because they're still has not been enough researcher effort in this area. but the reason it started at all. Was this effort from the Black Panther Party. in addition to all these services and their screening programs and everything else they also depending on which location would provide things like drug and alcohol rehabilitation. They gave away food. They gave away clothing. They would do things like we'll take you to your doctor's appointments. If you're elderly and you need an escort they opened a school at one point that offered classes and things like first aid and economics there were lots of other services that the Black Panther party provided to the communities like survival programs that they would provide to say. Your government is failing you. And intil they'll change. We're GONNA try to fill that gap. and so they did a lot of these programs. Now eventually as we're going to get into the panthers would, their party would start to decline, and the clinics would close as the Black Panther party had fewer members, your resources and everything but and it's hard. If you want to say like what impact what lasting impact did that have on healthcare today? I don't think you can deny that. When you look at something like a federally Qualified Health Care Center today something that is like funded by the government to provide care to the underserved to provide care to the uninsured or the underinsured I. Don't think you can deny that. There is at least some impact from these free health clinics from these people's free health clinics. In that in these FQHC's that we see tons of in places like West Virginia today serving underserved populations of all callers. So I, definitely think that in in addition to. As I was reading the accounts from some of the doctors and medical students and people who volunteered in this this this feeling. that. Our healthcare system is so broken and the the disparities that exist Part of it is the is the fact that it's a free market health-care system, which makes absolutely no sense and these free clinics national healthcare system I think that that spirit definitely exists even though it has not been able to become the status quo, I think that those ideas and the idea that universal health care is a social justice issue. I definitely think you can find roots of that. In in these people's free health clinics as well as I mean. They were not the only ones with these. But but I think you have to to draw some parallels there. As just a kind of an ending to the story and I I think that again. This is one of those areas where. I remember one time my grandfather gave me a book called lies. My teachers told me. And, I thought it was a very daring book for my grandfather to give me when I was young. and it was based on the idea that the history. You think you now is not the the truth. There are lots of things that have been filtered especially in this case through the lens of white supremacy, and taught to you as if it is the only truth, and you don't know the whole story, and I think that in that spirit learning more about the Black Panthers Organization was part of what I wanted to do. To do the show the film that I watched in addition to reading, was the Black Panthers Vanguard of the revolution. which if you're interested in learning more about the Black Panther, party I would highly recommend you watch this documentary. There are lots of interviews from some of the key players in the party at the time. to to kind of give you a better understanding of. Not just the organization is an abstract, but the the people who were in it and what they did, and what they were able to accomplish and what their goals were More on an individual personal level I I really highly recommend it. the as the panthers grew and expanded their goals as they were achieving all of these things that. The government was failing to achieve on community levels They got more support from the public at large They began to work with other liberation movements. They began there were international chapters. They spoke out against the Vietnam War It initially was very male movement. It was a very kind of macho, typically male thing, but at its peak, the majority of members would be email, and so even though that was still a struggle at the time there were there were definitely the beginnings of Women's Liberation Within this movement as well females taking some of the more. What you would consider like masculine roles, carrying guns, guarding the Party and men, taking over some more traditionally female roles, feminine roles of like Cooking Breakfast for kids for you definitely saw those beginnings. what would the what would eventually be lead to kind of the fall of the party? in part was largely due to FBI interference J., Edgar Hoover and then eventually Nixon they used something called. They use a counterintelligence program that was called coin. Tell pro and This is something that any of our listeners of color probably already know all about but I. Bet a lot of our white listeners do not know much about and I obviously. Fairly will I in what that is, but I would love a recap for the listeners. So, this counterintelligence program were was basically made up of F.. B. I. Agents Finding ways to dismantle the Black Panther party from the inside because they saw them not necessarily as a violent threat, although they may have said that that it was really a threat to the status quo and a white power. It was a it, they they their ideas were garnering widespread support, and they didn't like that, and so they found a number of ways to vilify the black. Panthers they would, in some communities spread rumors that they snitching. To the police to turn public support against them in some communities, they would accuse them of conspiracies. There's The documentary covers well. The there were twenty one leaders who were all arrested and accused of a fake bombing plot. At one point they would to the American public to other white people. They would paint the Black Panthers as scary and the very racially loaded racist term aggressive was often used to make the average white person watching the news at home. Afraid of the Black Panthers and And try to prevent them from supporting them They declared them at one point, the biggest threat to America and of course America was in war at the time, so to say the biggest threat to American citizens is the Black Panther Party was again another way? The government was trying to turn public support against them. They even did things like sent letters to prominent a party members spouses. To say hey, just see you know your husband or wife wrote ever is cheating on you and accusing them of infidelity and trying to create even like marital discord, so like at a very personal level. They tried to destroy the party in the Party members. there is a an as as Clare Willett points out in the twitter thread. That I led me to start investigating some of this when you here today, like a lot of again like Pearl, clutching from politicians about like. Oh I. It's not that I. don't support peaceful protests. Of course I do, but do you have to be so violent about when you hear that? That is the that is the rotten fruit. From the seeds of coin, tell pro. That's what you're hearing. You're hearing the I'm. Chad who would that because that mentality? That idea has permeated our power structures, and the American public and our understanding of our history to this day and of course, the culmination of this movement was Fred Hampton and I would occur. Encourage you if you are a white person who doesn't know much about Fred. Hampton please please. Read please study please please search out more than just a podcast episode about Fred Hampton he was young. He was charismatic. He was the activist that the moment needed because not only was he an incredibly powerful speaker, and well versed on the issues and able to you know. Kind of coalesce all of the frustration and anger into action into like here are the things we want and need and speak to the people to the power structures that existed to try to get them to understand but he had, he could build that coalition coalition between the end of the Lacey Pe- between the panthers between the Church community between activists from the Latino community. There's a group even called the Young Patriots who are group of poor southern white people who had migrated to Chicago to look for work. And, again like they were like from the Appalachian area, and he was able to build this coalition between all these disparate groups who really had common goals to fight racism to fight for civil rights to fight for equality, and then fight for all these other things that would that would help all oppressed people And I mean he really again was the leader of the moment needed? But somebody who can change things like that is really dangerous. And the the government knew that the FBI knew that the police knew that and so in early December nineteen, sixty nine, the FBI in conjunction with the local police. charged the apartment where he was staying. And murdered him and murdered another member of the Black Panthers. Who was there. The the criminal case against the police, initially failed in one, thousand, nine, hundred ninety, but initially, but eventually civil case would succeed in nineteen eighty to benefit the families of the of those who were murdered and it's only like with the understanding more in more recent years of the FBI's complicity in the coin. Tell pro program. Do we really know I mean he was assassinated? The government had him assassinated because his ideas. were, too dangerous for the for the white. Status Quo. And if you don't if you don't know that history again, I'm talking to fellow white people. This is a history you need to read because it is, it is our history, too, and it's the history of the country that could have at many times in a better direction. But chose to continue to oppress chose to continue to pursue white supremacy. Instead of? Equity and Justice! after after their peak in nineteen seventy, the Black Panther party, continually decline, they were targeted by police. There were lots of wrongful arrests and convictions, and so they they ended up spending a lot of time and energy and money, trying to in court costs and lawyer fees, and all this to try to get people you know back into the movement. There was a lot of infighting there were splits among the leadership and eventually the party disbanded in nineteen, eighty, two, the the things that they fought for and I would really advise you to watch this documentary you can. You can see the a lot of the members talk about. What we wanted was housing healthcare food. You know clean water education jobs. I mean and I'm not again. History is complex and people are complex, and this moment is is complex. Yes, there was violence. Yes, there were guns and I don't like guns. Yes, there was shooting that was part of it. but I think that and we've seen a lot of it right now. With the protests that are going on if you are a white person, you need to be very careful about criticizing the right way to protest. You don't get to decide the right way for a person to be angry. The right way for a person to demand justice. You don't get to decide that. because the right way is the way that works. And I I would. I would be outraged about. The reasons that people are protesting, not the protests and I I think the Black Panther. Party is a good illustration of that idea. I've been thinking a lot about. Racism and I'm probably alone in that. At this point in time, but I've been thinking a lot about it and you know. Before all this started, and and none of this brings me any joy to admit, but I I would not I would consider myself a non-racist person. You know I'm not a racist. I would say that pretty confidently and then as as you, and I've done these episodes, and as I continued to like read and watch and listen. You think about the. Why haven't I been told this story? Well, it's because my a education was slanted towards the perspective of white people. I have a list education. Last week we talked about how this medical system which is such a big part of our lives is. Itself Racist and I. We know that capitalism and the the the especially American capitalism is. Unjust towards black people is a racist system. Yes. And you have to start to wonder, or at least I have started to wonder and I hope to God that other people are having the same thought. If I. Grew up with a racist education. In a racist. Capitalist structure. Benefiting from our a racist medical system and all other racists institutions. What are the odds? What are the chances that I? Even through inaction or or ineptitude or ninety day. Don't have racist thoughts ideas concepts even through ignorance which I would. I believe a lot of ignorance is a Lotta racism is based in. If I allow myself to remain ignorant. Then that in itself is racist, and like I it has not again. These revelations do not bring me joy but I. I don't know I hope. Other white people are having the same or have the. You know are willing to take that sort of. Long look in the Dr Truthful Mirror and see where some of these gaps are in their own sort of education and hearts. It's uncomfortable. And I mean it should be. It is uncomfortable if you are a person who felt like you were also not racist and. And on the naturally on the right side of this issue, and right now some of the things people are saying to you about about areas where you don't know enough or or aren't helping. Enough aren't doing enough if it's making you uncomfortable, that's good it this is this is uncomfortable. It's it's something that we weren't doing enough of or any of obviously because things would be different. So I would encourage again I think when I when I talk about these things I think to myself. People of color no this history. people of color no these truths. White people don't and when when when this history is put out there as black history. I think you need to understand white people that this is our history is the history of our country. It is a history of our our. Grandfathers and grandmothers in Gregory Hungary front. They were involved in these stories and you. We often would not like the roles they played. And so it is our duty to learn this history. And you make sure that the history that is taught hundred years. Two Hundred Years from now is different. thank you so much for listening to saul bones of. We'll help you find the time. Well spent I would say thank you the tax payers for use. There's medicines is the intro of our program. And thanks to you for listening we, we appreciate you. and We hope you'll join us again next week. For another episode of saw bones until then. My name is Justin mcelroy. Drill a hole in your head. Maximum Fund Dot Org Comedy Culture Artists don't audience supported.

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Part Two: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers

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Part Two: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers

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Every new podcast August watch out for years. Welcome back to behind the bastards. The only podcast passed on the Internet. That you are listening to right now. Presumably using mobile podcasts at once I'm concerned Yeah Yeah Yeah I would no way but it's not impossible no way retaining anything. You're missing a lot. Yes and this is a podcast about the worst people in in all of history. And we're doing a bit of an odd episode because we're focusing a lot On on some folks who I think are are pretty cool dudes But last episode was to build old up to the bastards who tried to destroy them so this episode about the FBI and law enforcement tried to take down the Black Panther other party My guest part two as with part one is prop propaganda a hip hop artist. In podcast. Or Yourself Yo Yo. I'm just glad to be here smiling so much to have you here. We've been really happy to have your perspective and excited to get into the rest of this so we talked about the Mulford Act in the last episode which which stopped the Black Panthers from carrying loaded weapons in the State California But did not stop the Black Panthers from loving themselves some firearms Weapons training stockpiling. It remained a big part of what they did and I found an archive of magazines published by the Black Panther community news service which was like their essentially they're media network And one issue from nineteen sixty nine included this cartoon Which Sophie can show you? Yeah and I guess I can describe it. You can describe if you'd like to describe it. Yes so this is from the the Black Panther. They take my laptop magazine that they ran. Yeah magazines so it's like it's aren't familiar with their style of animation mation but it's like thick animation style illustrations like thick like out black outlined characters like that are just kinda shaded in Grays And yellow orange letters in blue letters. It's like a black family we I think that's a child but the child looks like an adult animation style. And it's kind of like a cartoon or like a like a comic strip but the brothers brother's got a good fro. Both the brothers got a good fro. Assist is a got a nice little hair wrap on. Yeah I must say yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. What's what's going on in cartoon It says so. Dad's got his hand on the shoulders of Little Homey and he says son. What do you want for Christmas? I can't really make out what to read. What the son says he wants for Christmas? A machine gun a shotgun a box of hand grenades a box walks of dynamite and I think a box of handguns is the sixty nine hundred sixty nine. And then there's some stuff written around the edges of the cartoon including off the pig blow oink oink away and snipe the hawks do Yeah Yeah W. A. Right here. Yeah really intense. Yes on his way to like the after police Yeah Yeah and violence against the police. This was a constant refrain in in Black Panther periodicals and it was usually framed as necessary self defense against an oppressive and violent force in there. Is this kind of unavoidably. Would it be gleeful tone. And some of the discussions against violence against law enforcement. which I think is really uncomfortable for a lot of particularly kind of middle of the road? Centrist political people to due to to deal with To to like except but There's there's a reason for this. Yeah Yeah they're in. That's what this episode is about is like dry. There was so much paranoia and hatred of the police not justice sort of like the violence against against Blackpool by law enforcement but specifically because the panthers new the police were targeting them And as the sixties turned into seventies an increasing amount of their anti law unfortunate rhetoric focused on the Federal Bureau of Investigations. And I found a really interesting website. Black power in American history It appears to be a graduate student project from UNC. See a Chapel Hill and they analyzed piles of old Black Panther magazines and noted they would claim that if the Black Panthers did not join or follow a particular course of action. Disaster will result an example sample of this was seen in the article published on January Ninth Nineteen seventy-one when it read when a pig is caught dirty snooping and shows you his badge and begs for mercy mercy him to death with the butt of your gun towards the bottom it also reads kill the pigs before they kill you. The pigs here are referring to undercover FBI agents that were sent to infiltrate the Party and cause internal unrest and again. This is really uncomfortable. Rhetoric for a lot of folks to read but it wasn't it wasn't just spawned from bloodthirsty nece the FBI and the police were engaged in an active battle to destroy the Black Panthers into murder. Many of their leaders in this period of time and a lot of folks would have just called them. Conspiratorial would have said they were sort of making stuff up because they're paranoid All of these fears were proved valid by documentation. That later came out which we'll get to at the end of this episode. There's a a good tie into like modern time especially like you know the the the community that spawned the hip hop music that most most of US kind of consider golden age. I these were our dads are moms like so even just like you know eighty song from. NWEA the police like this is injust. It's hard it's hard if you're not here to understand that like you know ice t's cop killer it's like okay you. You think that this is a like a honorable like officer position. That job is a job of person that carries prestige and honor. It's like that is not our experience with the police your experiences this is another gang right. It's just the law protects them you know so you have this attitude towards him. There's another song by I feel like your your your taste in hip hop would know if I'd say J. Dila you know what I'm saying so like you like more of the obscure doom tree stuff. I'll be listening to listen. You know saying you know Takes J. J. diller who has also has a semiconductor police in the ideas like the backstory of that song was like there was false tip that he was engaged in some criminal activity and the police raided his mom's basement. You know destroyed with all these things. It's like destroyed hard drive stuff like this guy's like recording albums for you know Tribe called quest like he's recording albums for for BUSTA rhymes. Sounds like all these like main major like like you guys asked Hurrell Timberland produces. They're all like we got our swing from J.. Diller you know an unlike in Delhi so Dila wrote this guy like you just rated my so. He made that song that day like after the police raided his mom's basement and destroy Roy just volumes and volumes of music. That none of us will never get now. You know what I'm saying So the attitudes like you're you're bullies. You're not policing us you are bullies. You know so i. It's it's hard not to respond that way but so if you understand I was a long statement but if you understand like our relationship with law and I say this as somebody who's like my brother's a highway patrol officer you know what I'm saying like we have law enforcement in our family you you know but the institution since this day like course through our veins our grandparents our great grandparents father's others you know what I'm saying like this is our relationship with the police. Sorry that just as so triggering no I just and just as a way to kind of make that point just into the modern era because we're talking but decades ago and most of this episode I've had a two thousand fifteen article in the Washington Post About civil asset forfeitures. which is what happens when police take your stuff? Without recourse of course versus burglary doesn't fourteen Police civil asset forfeiture totaled more than five billion dollars worth of property. She took five billion dollars is worth property with no recourse really from people burglaries accounted for less than four billion dollars. Worth of theft. GATT does so like when you're making that comparison between police the burglars. There's some numbers you can throw out. That are very compelling Yeah that's that's probably enough for now. Yeah so in Nineteen fifty-six the FBI launched its co Intel pro operation Co Intel pro usually see it written in all caps is one word. It's an acronym initially aimed at targeting. Getting Communist organizers in the United States it was later expanded to strike at groups like the KKK but Thanks in large part to J. Edgar Hoover in the late nineteen sixties the F. B. I.. Cohen pro operations focused increasingly and primarily on the Black Panthers. This was a sophisticated and complex operation. Hoover himself wrote one of our primary. Mary aims and counterintelligence as it concerns the key is to keep the group isolated from the moderate black and white community which may support it. And I'm going to quote again from the Book Black Against Empire here. The federal agents sought to create factionalism among the party leaders in between the panthers and other black political organizations. FBI operatives forged documents. Paid provocateurs is to promote violent conflicts between Black Panther leaders as well as between the Party and other black nationalist organizations and congratulated themselves in these conflicts yielded the killing of panthers and Co Intel pro sought to lead the party into unsupportable actions creating opposition to the BP on the part of the majority of the residents of the ghetto areas for example agent provocateurs. Tour's on the government payroll supplied explosives to panther members and sought to incite them to blow up public buildings and they promoted kangaroo courts encouraging panther members to torture inspected informants. Yeah yes so. That's it so that's so you know illuminating because it's like you're in the room it's like you're in a room with like rational people even somebody else from the back you should just punch him in the pot you just like who said that right. And then everybody goes you there about their about punching in the but like like well who first of all who punches in the button number one. You know what I'm saying. But then but just then planting these people to push them in the places that make other people uncomfortable and then that becomes the narrative yeah is clearly so effective yeah. It was very effective in very insidious. Yeah and we'll get into the numbers a little bit later of how much they spent on this for a specific example of how this process worked and we need to turn to nineteen sixty eight when J. Edgar Hoover sent a memorandum to fourteen FBI field offices noting that a state of gang warfare existed between a group called the US organization a Black Nationalist Group and the panthers. There's now us is a complicated organization. they're founder among other things. Is that the guy who created Kwanza And we're not GONNA do them justice in this episode for today's as purposes. What's important to know? Is that US in. The Panthers had a lot of disagreements on how to achieve black liberation and they competed aggressively for new recruits Through a network of informants the the FBI learned this and hoover noted that they'd seen evidence that there had been threats of murder between some members he took notice of. This ordered what he called imaginative and hard hitting counterintelligence our intelligence measures aimed at crippling the be in order to fully capitalize in his words on the rivalry and exploit all avenues of creating further dissension the FBI ordered its informants in US To tell members when the BP planned to have events that US could also show up and both in organizations would wind up in conflict. They did whatever are they could to stoke hatred between both groups including having their paid informants spread rumors about either side to the other group rumors about like them. They're being hits planned murders Raising the temperature that was the goal And this all came to a boil At an event your father was at January seventeenth nineteen sixty nine When Apprentice Carter and John Huggins were gunned down by US members on the UCLA campus? Yeah it just just. It's like junior high all over again only with like murder. Yeah extent you know yeah. It's so sad man. Yeah POPs was at that anyway. Continue sorry the Black Panther seemed to instinctively know what was going on And their magazines declared the murders a political killing They pointed out that US received government funding and had a working relationship with the police. The also noted that seventeen panthers were arrested in the immediate wake of the murders while it took much longer for the law to get take action against the actual killers were members of us Now only some of the FBI HIS Co.. Until pro fucker has been declassified at this point so we'll never know oh the exact extent to which the bureau planned all this. There are allegations that what happened at UCLA was an ordered hit others were argue that the FBI definitely intended for there to be murdered but they weren't trying to stoke specific murders so they wanted to raise the temperature to wear murders were inevitable. But they weren't saying on this date. Kill these people. There's also allegations that they were in fact saying on this date eight kill. These people ops debate. It's my belief was like yeah. They had a list. This who supposed to die you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And we can verify that they absolutely specifically intended to stoke violence wrote. We want to make these people kill each other like that that that we know To to appoint of certainty whatever the truth about how specific they were about the violence. They wanted The violence like happened. It was very much stoked by the FBI on May twenty third and nine hundred sixty nine Black Panther John Savage was killed by us. Members Sylvester Bell was murdered in August. Now most of the information behind all this didn't come out until a series of court battles in the late nineteen seventies so particularly like white people. Reading about this at the time would have just said. Oh these these black liberation groups are also violent violent. Look at what they're doing to each other ignoring the fact that it was their F. B. I.. Stoking all this yeah. I found a really good at New York Times. Article From nineteen seventy eighty six. When this started to come out that goes into detail about everything here and it notes that the bureau working with the Chicago? Police Department also sought to create violent divisions between the panthers and the Blackstone Rangers which are now a much more complicated organization at that point. Were a street gang in Chicago. Yeah quote for example. A fake note was sent to the leader of the street gang. Jeff Jeff Four telling him the panthers hostility towards his group saying they're supposed to be a hit out for you in noting that that this meant there was probably a contract to kill someone the Chicago F. B. I.. Office office set in a memorandum to headquarters that the letter may intensify the degree of animosity between the two groups and occasion forced to take retaliatory action. which could disrupt the BP or lead to reprisals cels against their leadership so the sins this fake letter about a hit and specifically? We're hope we think this is going to make them angrier at each other and might stoke violence and that's go. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's just it's just like can we just like okay acknowledged that like week. You can't make this stuff up. No you can't make this stuff up you know it's one thing that's really frustrating about this is that it. It spreads so far even outside love among the entire left-wing activists community. I spent a lot of time in that community For my work and there are constant modern fears about Cohen. To- pro stuff. Union like like white activist group primarily white activist groups of FBI informants and stuff like you find this like this fear among like a lot of members of anti fascist street groups right. Now that there's agent provocateur you too and maybe there are like it's like that's thing they did it. There is precedence. Yes Yeah Yeah Yeah. There's really no limit to what you might be worried. The FBI will do Ludi your activist group because this shit happened. Yeah yeah now. I'm going to quote again from that New York Times article. The report portrays a campaign in which the bureau used a legion of Informers. Sometimes it's provocateurs close cooperation with local police. Anti radical squads to sow confusion fear and dissension among the panthers cartoons attacking them purportedly from rival groups expr- distributed to aggravate antagonisms. Stories were planted with newspaper and television outlets put the panthers and their supporters in a bad light. Bogus messages were sent to cause rifts between the party and its white leftist supporters so this was a comprehensive campaign. Imagine this in like the Internet age. Just be like yeah just trolls attacking your comments section for the the purpose of Yeah it'll be thirty years. Yeah Anyway Yeah We. It'll probably probably be a few years before the extent to which that stuff's going on out now and you know what to be entirely honest. It's possible that none of it now is the FBI that it's all for example. Government government like private corporations attracted by government agencies. Or whatever like who knows. Yeah the FBI's probe campaign seriously disrupted the Black Panthers but it did not stop them from expanding. Throughout the late sixties early nineteen seventies. The organization was under constant stress. Though in this was not helped by the fact that for some strange reason it's leaders kept getting imprisoned in assassinated why started committing crimes is just off the rails. Yeah I think we'll start on this subject subject by talking about what happened to Hugh EP Newton's yeah on October twenty seventh nineteen sixty seven. He walked down to his girlfriend's House on Telegraph Avenue in Oakland and it was a Friday night and they were going to party but she wound up feeling sick and instead linton per car to take out on the town he had a drink at the bar and then went to a church social where he danced until around two Liam then he drove to a party which left at around four. Am that early morning October. Twenty Eighth Officer John Fray of the Oakland police was sitting in his squad car he saw Huey drive drive past and recognized his plates. We don't know precisely if the bureau had local cops keeping tabs on Huey was FBI directed operation or if the Oakland cops on their own were just is wanting to fuck with huey either is entirely possible but without any apparent cause John Fray made one of the last mistakes of his life he pulled Huey p Newton over here's how SF Jeff Weekly describes. What happened next officer? Herbert C Haynes rolled up on the scene shortly after Frei had radioed for backup the officers told Newton to get out of the bug and marched him to the back of Hanes is is patrol car Newton and phrase started scuffling on the trunk of his car. A gun went off. Hanes was hitting the right forearm. Hanes fired back. Hitting Newton in the gut. More shots were fired. He's I was shot three times and survived. Newton took that bullet to the gut and fled the scene with mckinney. which is a friend he was with freight was shot? Five Times died he had been on the force for a little over a year and had a three year zero daughter. He was only twenty three but all of them involved in the melee. Were well under thirty. Now we don't know what actually happened. Newton claims to have blacked out after being shot which which totally reasonable and speculates that the COP shod each other and all of the recovered bullets came from police. Revolvers speculation on what went down raiders from Huey grabbing a COP's gun and shooting them both to him resisting when the cops started beating him and then them shooting each other in error To An attempted assassination if you buy the Oakland PD gone horribly wrong. I don't know what exactly went down but I do. Think additional context on officer. James Fray is useful here and I'M GONNA quote from Black Against Empire Fray had been implicated located in numerous incidents of racism h Bruce Bison. An English teacher who invited free to speak about. Police work to his class at Clayton Valley. High School reported that Frei had told the class that in words in the neighborhood he patrolled were a lot of bad types and the trial eventually held to adjudicate the events of that early morning. Elford dunning accountant for Prudential Life. Insurance testified that Frei had recently harassed him during a traffic accident and when dunning complained that fray was acting like a stop-go free loosened his holster put his hand on his gun and said I am the Gestapo Dapo into the police car not out best. Yeah that's the quiet Bart. Ah Yes earlier. On the evening that Huey Newton and gene mckinney drove to soul food on seventh street fray had intervened in a dispute between a black grocery clerk named Daniel King and a white man without pants on who claimed king had stolen his pants as quoting two kings Frei called him in word and held his arm so the white man could beat him. So this is the guy who winds winds up. I don't have trouble believing that it was self defense. It's entirely possible that both of them fucked up Or that both of them were trying to kill Huey and shot each other. Yeah who has any scenario works. Yeah but obviously Huey EP. Newton gets charged with murder as a result of of the shooting. Death of officer James Bright And in prison he became a living martyr to the Black Panthers. There was a rally rally on his twenty sixth birthday February Seventeenth nineteen sixty eight that brought more than six thousand people to the Oakland arena. H Rap Brown and black power activist told the crowd the the only thing that is going to free. Huey Newton is gun powder and this actually wound up being an accurate. He received his day in court which revealed among other things. Frei had a list of twenty Black Panther vehicles on the dashboard of his car. When he died he was initially convicted of voluntary manslaughter and sent to prison? But in May of nineteen eighteen seventy that conviction was reversed after the California Court of Appeals Down significant errors in the trial. He would be tried two more times. Both trials ending and jury deadlocks before he was eventually cleared cleared of all charges in nineteen. Seventy one so he has cleared by the courts but he loses two years of his life to the prison My mom used to 'cause yeah. My mom used to call me h rap brown just for. She's doing for jokes. You H rap brown whenever I was talking about black stuff anyway. Those funny now. Bobby Seale also caught serious legal trouble in nineteen sixty-nine as a result of his participation in the nineteen sixty eight Chicago riots over the Democratic Credit National Convention that years. DNC occurred in one of the most famous periods in American history and again. This is another thing that we probably should do. A whole episode about like not GonNa get into enough detail on the sixty eight riot. Yeah the short story. Is that Bobby Kennedy who was like the progressive icon. At the time had been gunned down the night. He won the California primary Hubert Humphrey. The former vice president hadn't actually participated in any of the primaries but was favored to become the candidate during the convention because he was beloved by establishment. Democrats progressives leftist hated. Him and I am sure this is a situation that has since familiar to and yes The nineteen sixty eight riots like sort of resulted out of all this and they were nightmarish. Arish caused in large part by the fact that the Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley turned the city into what Walter cronkite called a police state leading up to the event. The police turned on left-wing protesters with unspeakable violence in the city burned. The whole ugly event is among other things. A big part of what inspired Hunter Thompson to write fear and loathing in Las Vegas. He was there at the time and it it was just this big. Ugly nightmare largely instigated by state violence against protestors who were unhappy that the DNC had picked basically a conservative guy to run against fucking Nixon. Yeah Yeah Yeah and in nineteen and a for a little bit of context all of the people who know their history right now are fucking terrified fide the DNC and to me. It's going to be another sixty eight Chicago same. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I felt like watching the last eight hours like A. Ah Go again. We'll be bringing my helmet. Yeah in one thousand nine hundred. Sixty nine bobby. Seale was arrested for conspiracy to incite riots at the DNC and he was likely targeted for this because you know he was a co founder of the Black Panthers and the FBI wanted him dead or in prison. And ideally both The court refused to let seal choose. Choose his own lawyer when he spoke up and complained that his constitutional rights were being violated. The judge ordered him bound and gagged so he is bound and gagged during his own trial in terms of how. Yeah Yeah. That's another one of those like okay. Play some SPA music. Think about that second just really ruminate on ruminate on the fact that this man was not allowed to pick his own lawyer yeah and then when he complained about it. They gagged him. And you tell me so which one of us is like oppressive. Oh president violent which one of us is violent. You know now when he did. Get to speak Bobby repeatedly called the judge government attorneys racists fascists and lying pigs this. This was pretty true in my opinion. Not Eight in his defense bobby out loud just like let's play play a long game. He was sentenced to four years in prison and he served twenty one months before his conviction was reversed and he was freed in nineteen seventy-one so again he has almost almost two years. Stolen from you Now while all this was going on the panthers were taking huge sums of money The arrest of Huey p Newton in particular drew in enormous amounts of donations as thousands of men and women joined all across the country. The fundraisers grew more and more successful in as it tends to do all this money caused massive disagreements and fights between different chapters of the party. The New York chapter being the most successful fundraisers were particularly incensed that they had not been allowed to keep what they thought was their fair share of the money they'd raised for the group These were this sort of disagreement that any kind of political organization is going to have especially as they grow and start up and they could have been smoothed over but for the fact that a large chunk of the most respected Panther leadership. Your ship the men who might have been able to work these conflicts out. We're in prison. Or in the case of Fred Hampton dead. Can't we now. 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Only at a sleep number store or sleepnumber dot dot com slash iheart that sleepnumber dot com slash iheart sleep number's official sleep and wellness partner of the NFL. All right I couldn't wait to get to Fred Hampton. I feel like I've been sitting here wondering why you were getting antsy and they're different Because when you get the three it's like this is the trinity that like paints the best pitcher as to how they got destroyed. Because it's like it's like you ask ten different panthers is what the Black Panthers where you only get ten different answers you know pinning on which one of these figureheads you're appealing to you. Know what I'm saying So that's why I was like you got to have the third a person doesn't make don't make sense. Yeah Yeah Yeah and we you know I. It was one of those things I had to debate. Include Fred Hampton in part one or part two and I thought it was best to kind of lay the groundwork in one and then bring up because hacking life is so tied in with the police violence because his story I tied with like the Black Messiah stuff like it's you have to wait till they don't because he's the most like likeable if you will all of them so it's like build the narrative and then it's like Oh God now there's a guy that's likable. Yeah Yeah So. Let's let's talk. I mean I find Huey A.. And Bobby Pretty Likable too. Yeah Fred hand is the charismatic guy. Yes so fred. Hampton was born on August thirtieth nineteen forty eight and he grew up in the suburbs of Chicago He was gifted academically physically from a very young age At one point dreamed of playing for the Yankees but as he grew into young man and the injustice evident around him in America made anything that a revolutionary career impossible for Fred. And I'M GONNA quote now from twitter threat. I found on Fred Hampton by Michael. Oh Harriet who is a senior writer at the root and he knows a lot about Hampton and you know obviously. It's a twitter thread. I did do my work like double jeopardy claims and stuff. And he's very accurate here so I'm going in a quote from him like the others he's referring to the other. Black Panther leaders Hampton started out with mainstream black organizations. By the time he was a teenager he was organizing his own youth chapter of the in double ACP in his small Illinois suburb in a single year he had five hundred members of this. Sounds like hype. Consider this when Hampton attended his first Black Panther Party meeting in November nineteen eighteen sixty eight the FBI had already opened a file on him a year earlier. His phone had been tapped for nine months he'd been designated as a key leader on the FBI's agitator index checks for five months before he ever joined the party. He's just he's a g like that's did what it's like. You take all of the best attributes attributes of everybody so far and then you're like put it in a guy who has like the entertaining ability of like Michael Jackson uses like you can lose you know. So that's he gives me chills when I think about his ability electrify a room. Yeah yeah and he's a really recommend like pulling up videos some find them a Fred Hampton speaking and addressing crowds like. He's he was very good at it. and My uncle in that threat argues that the F. B. I. Recognized Hamptons exceptional nature and that they were terrified he would rise to become a national figure. And there's a lot of backing for this argument He in particular sites and memo from Herbert Hoover himself Discussing the goals of the program and it included as their number two goal. And I'm going to quote directly from the FBI. Here everybody you take a breath citation yes. Number to prevent the rise of Messiah who who could unify and electrify the militant. Black Nationalist Movement Malcolm. X. might have been such a messiah he is the martyr of the movement today. Martin Luther King Stokely Carmichael and Elijah Muhammad all aspired this position. Elisha Mohamed is less of a threat because of his age king could be a real contender for this position should he abandoned his supposed obedience to white liberal doctrines nonviolence an embrace black nationalism. Carmichael has the necessary talk about Joe. Boys is the yeah the white liberal thought dog. Yeah go yeah. Yeah if you've ever needed evidence of sort of the value of the armed revolutionary wing the civil rights movement. Yes it's the fact the FBI was like thank God. Martin Luther King's chill. Hey cool let let let king talk. Don't let that do doc. We had to shoot him a lot earlier. Yeah Right Oh man. So Hampton in his early. Well he didn't have a long career. Unfortunately but Hampton early in his career he worked to broker peace deals between various gangs and Chicago and came very close to getting the Blackstone Rangers a heavily armed organization with as many as eight thousand dozen members to join the Black Panthers now the FBI considered that possibility an enormous threat and they devoted significant resources to fomenting anger between both groups going as far as forging a death threat to the leader of the blacks donation. We talked about a little bit in part one a in early nineteen sixty nine. Fred Hampton set up the first panther free food distribution in Chicago. He got in trouble around this time due to a confusing series of events with an ice cream truck and again depending on who you listen to. He either stole a bunch of ice cream from an ice cream truck to give out the poor kids Hijack a truck and beat. It's driver or had nothing at all to do with the robbery of seventy one dollars worth of ice cream in any case an ice cream truck driver claimed. You've been beaten up by kids while Fred Stolle is from his truck And again you gotta be real fucking careful when you listen to charges against any of these guys because we know what was going on yeah yes And even even if it was true it's like yeah okay so take that same event and put it in like toad Suck Arkansas which is the city of performed in believe it or not and it's just funny. It's like you know what dude is hot out here. You know I gotTa dial you know distract the guy while we get some drumsticks. You know what I'm saying like it more like it's mischievous you know what I'm saying like I'm not trying to like why. Yes you know what I'm saying A. and minimize a crime. But it's like this. It's like it's mischievous is you. Can't get mischievous and Fred Hampton you. Yeah yeah now now. Hampton was arrested for this charged with robbery and assault while he waited for his trial. Fred organized a free breakfast for Children Program in Chicago in. Its first two weeks at Fed more than eleven eleven hundred grade school kids and earned a huge amount of community support for the panthers. Hampton was convicted of robbery and assault in April. But thanks to a good attorney he was released from jail on two thousand one dollars. Bail Fred immediately held a press conference where he declared that the Black Panther Party was acting in the interests of the people whom the government ignored oppressed quote. Our case should be taken can to the people and the people will not tolerate any oppressive system or force that attempts to jail the very people who feed their hungry children. Now Hampton Next organized realized mock trial with a group of white leftists known as the new left and he gave in that trial what would become one of his most famous speeches. SAYING WE'RE GONNA fight racism not not with racism but with solidarity not gonNA fight capitalism with black capitalism. But we're GONNA fight it with socialism. We're not GONNA fight reactionary pigs with any reaction in our part we're GONNA fight their reaction option when all of us get together and have an international proletarian revolution the most you weigh the FBI was not the most level headed sure response to be like look manage the you know in and in that sense. It's like it's show sort of. Even though there was differences in the solution there was a common thread through a lot of these thinkers of just being like look man like. I don't know if there's going straight this way is gonNA work. I don't know straight going this way. It's GonNa work but like you know you can't. You can't defeat racism racism manages. Doesn't you know although that's what that's what I want. That's what people what they wanted us to believe about the Black Black Panthers Y'all racist and he's like no you don't understand that's not gonNA that's not gonNA get us to. Our conclusion is more racism. I think that's important to notice that. But those were the words you know. And that's the guy that they're like. He's worst enemy Fred. succeeded in building a broad base of support in Chicago Including people of all races and backgrounds. This got the attention of Panther National Leadership. Bobby Seale flew down to Chicago to attend one of Fred's events he gave a speech their wherein. He said I'm so so thirsty. For Revolution I'm so crazy about the people we're going to stand together. We're going to have a black army a Mexican American army and Alliance in solidarity with progressive whites all of us. And we're GONNA in a march on this pig power structure and we're going to say. Stick them up motherfucker we come for what's ours. Love Him. Come up motherfucker. Yeah Man. Can I throw in a little history. We lesson here hell. Yeah okay. I really like 'cause I don't like it when someone steals your thunder on the show so I don't I don't want to do that could no. No no you're here too because you you know more about a lot of aspects of this than I do so yup. Yeah so like you know towards the end of like Dr King's like work especially the one that the event that ended at the I have a dream speech where he was on his way for more to talk about really was what you said. Was this idea of saying we need to build this coalition because the system itself is trying to keep us out of this then he does it. Does this whole this whole diatribe about like okay. You know talking about the Homestead Act Jaka Google but he was talking about the homestead act. Like okay okay. So to lift like poor white people out of serfdom was like the government was handing out land grants to people to come bill farms. If you know what she was doing government would train you. They pay to train you if you had no tools to work at government pay for you to had no tools. He's like these are social programs at the government has done. He's like these are the same people who look at us us and say you need to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. And he's like you need to stop asking for government handouts. He's like the government's been handing out money to yard his whole time. So when we go oh to. DC WE GONNA get our check because well because us just trying to to to to just tell you to stop being a racist or is trying to change your mind about who you are just trying to fight you just forget it. Let's do it ourselves back as no listen. This is what you said. The country is this is what you said it was and this is what we're coming to do so for for for the government to look at or for the FBI to say we'll Fred Hampton and saying this. I'm like able to boy. Your boy king was saying the same thing family like he was he was actually. He said the same it does it. Ross Perot and it's it's interesting that the guys who were saying that same thing didn't didn't get a lot of time to say it. No yeah and I don't know enough about the The the the murder of Martin Luther King or these assignation Martin Luther King to talk about the conspiracy theories you might say around it. Yeah but I will say there's definitely reason into be suspicious about what kind of government involvement there might have been absolutely Also totally possible a racist. Might you know or I like yeah. Hey back back yeah. It's not out of anyway. So By may twenty sixth nineteen sixty nine Fred. Hampton's free breakfast program was feeding more than three thousand children. On that day. He was sentenced to two to five years in prison for his little ice cream truck escapade he appealed though was led out on an appeal bond by the Supreme Court of Illinois in July of Nineteen. Sixty nine Fred. Hampton embarked on his most ambitious plan yet He held the conference for a united front against Fascism which he billed as an attempt to build build a rainbow coalition. He brought a lot of different people together but focused on bringing in poor people of all different races particularly gang members. Hampton told them that no matter who they were the root of their oppression was the same and they would need to work together to confront issues. Like police brutality and poor public housing and teen vogue actually has a really good right up on this. That I'm GONNA quote from now Hampton the other panthers like section leader. Bobby Lee made the case that as poor people trying to survive mayor. Richard J Daley's racially segregated city. They had had more in common with each other than not the banded together to protect members from the cops fight against police brutality run healthcare clinics feed the homeless and poor kids and connect people with legal help if they were dealing with abusive abusive landlords or police. We did security for the Panthers along with other panthers seventy year. Old High Thurman a member of the Y.. Peo told Teen Vogue from his home in Alabama. Here's a bunch of hillbillies doing you know security for black people and Black Panthers Thurman said that was shocking for a lot of people out of respect for the Panthers Young Patriots which grid of a street gang called the Peacemakers. I decided to stop wearing the confederate flag. Meanwhile the Young Lords for granted issues impacting immigrants from Latin America and citizens who moved from Puerto Rico birthplace of the CO founder. Jose Jose cha-cha Gimenez the introduced the slogan Tengo. Puerto Rico in me in the fight for Puerto Rican self determination. so He's getting together. Yeah Hillbilly White Gangs Puerto Rican Hispanic gangs black gangs and being like we all have the same problems and we can all fight together to deal with them. Yeah Birdie and it's not like not like the. I mean. This isn't good like you know what I'm saying like like wait. That's not good like wouldn't you desire. I mean like I just don't understand why this is a problem New York. Well I mean it's because they prefer it if these gangs are shooting shooting at each other because they realized they all have more in common they start looking at the actual person fucking over. That's it suddenly. We got a real threat. Hey you know you kill each other. We ain't got to do the work for you. Just you know so. Listen this. Take Heed young gangsters. Yes now all of this scared the hell out of of J. Edgar Hoover. He directed his men to quote. Destroy what they stand for and a radical. It served the people programs. I gotTa say if you're talking about a radical leading eating serve the people programs. You might be the bad guy. Thank you might be reading historial role. Maybe you wrong side of this one. You know it's a real are. Are we the batteries moment. Made a minute let me right Like Oh damn yeah yeah we are. We are leaving out a lot because the story of all of the Shit That the police and the FBI did to take down. Fred Hampton. We could do a two parter just on that This guy had almost as much thrown at him. As Bobby Seale and he'll EP Newton did combined. It's remarkable for our purposes today. We're going to focus on the actions of FBI. Informant William O'Neil now as soon as Fred Hampton Forms Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers. The bureau sent O.`Neil into infiltrate it and he was good at his job. O'Neill was renowned as a hard worker. Although he worried other panthers with his obsession for violence at one point he built an electric chair for the panthers to use to torture. Informers which was disassembled. Disassembled on Fred. Hampton's orders was obviously like an F. B. I.. An attempt for them to like get the panthers to torture People's arrest them for torture sheesh. Yeah and Hamptons like what. What the fuck are you doing building an electric fucking electric chair? I'M GONNA quote now from a write up in the nation for this next bit quote not simply an informant. O.`Neil tried to provoke others into kamikaze. Type Activities Former Panther member. Louis trulock had submitted an affidavit stating that during a visit to a neal's father's home the informer showed him putty blasting caps and plastic bottles of liquid enough material to produce several bombs. He proposed that they blow up an armory later suggested robbing McDonald's Donald's restaurant true luck on the other. Her Neal's provocative proposals rejected them as useless to the cause. Although he was infatuated with weapons and trade to involve other panthers in criminal activities. O'Neill was tolerated because he was an exceptionally hard worker around the office. Ronald Doc Satchell a Black Panther leader. Who was wounded in the raid recalls? The only person who didn't want O'Neill in the panthers authors was Fred Hampton now the electric chair and the bombs were part of a series of schemes O.`Neil hats to try and trap Hampton on behalf of the FBI. None of them worked though because Hampton was very smart and eventually the police were left with exactly one option for dealing with Fred Cold blooded murder in November of nineteen sixty nine and William O'Neil provided the FBI with detailed floor plan of the Black Panther headquarters which doubled as Fred Hampton's home. The map included a red X.. Over his bed at four forty thirty. Five am Sergeant Daniel Growth of the Chicago police department knocked on the door of the Black Panther headquarters. What exactly happened next is debated but we know that for the next seven minutes the the police pumped roughly a hundred rounds into the building? Only one bullet was fired in response by a Black Panther Mark Clark Age twenty two both Clark and Fred Hampton were shot dead. Fred died in his bed from two point blank. Gunshots to the head. The vast majority of bullet holes in the house were centered around the location of his bed. Where William O'Neill had drawn the red x one officer was heard saying he's good and dead now is they traipse through the bloodstained office? And there is a photograph of the officer's carrying Fred Hampton's body from the building. It's one of the more disgusting things I've ever seen. Two of the officers are visibly gritting and we. We've got a photograph yourself you can show you. We'll put it up on the I've seen it. It's important yeah. Yeah it's important according to see these men's faces. Yeah this and that the the map with the red x or something that like sits in our psyche you know because images just it just burns in you know what I'm saying when you see and you know like that's what is that man's bed. Yeah Yeah yeah the for the listeners that the you would think that they just like left there like local bar and just like each other like that's the way they look on a slot machine. Yeah Yeah Yeah so true. Speaking of doing well on a slot machine following the raid William O'Neill was given a three hundred dollar bonus by the FBI. And now today the assassination of Fred Hampton is basically universally agreed by scholars and legal experts as well as activists to have been a political assassination. The Nation organized and orchestrated by the FBI. There is really zero disagreement about this fact between credible people who studied however in mainstream coverage of the raid. You still still run into people who will equivocate on this fact a Chicago Tribune article. I read about the assassination stated in the two years before the raid police. Panthers had engaged in eight gunbattles nationally. In which three three police officers and five panthers died four of the shootouts including one in which police officers were killed occurred in Chicago to try and make the case that like there was reason for the police to be super antsy. See about this whole thing is like when people say hey. Will you know these street gangs or these three violent too. They're shooting they're schouten so we're shooting. I'm like yeah but you know they're gangsters. Yeah Yeah Yeah. They're shooting but aren't you the police like aren't you supposed to carry yourself the level of integrity. You telling me Yo. Barb integrity is a street gang. That's what you're telling me right now. You know so even if I'm just saying like even if that was is your reasoning I'm like yeah but you're the cops though. Yeah it one thing. That's interesting to me that maybe I can leave a little bit of homework for the listener. Go sit down and in and look up Google all the people who were killed in mass shootings in the history of the United States of like the shootings but like mashes where some nut with a gun decides to murder murderer a bunch of strangers. Add that number together and then figure out how many people were shot dead by the police in two thousand nineteen alone on no figure out which of those numbers is larger John. That a homework for now The article that I found the Chicago Tribune also counts the firearms the panthers there's hat on the property. Nineteen and the number of rounds over a thousand as if any of that justifies. What was done those wrong legally owned guns and I have more firearms and ammunition in my house? Sitting being five feet from me. The Black Panthers had in their house at that point. Yeah like that's not a lot. No nineteen sizable number of guns for one person but it was multiple people's weapons thous and rounds is not a lot and those gunfights with police had no connection to Fred Hampton other than that he was a panther too And despite the murders in the FBI Fuck Korea and a counterintelligence operations by nineteen seventy the black. Panthers had offices in sixty eight cities the representatives had traveled to meet with Communist leaders in North Vietnam. North Korea and China some panthers had set up shop Algeria. And we're not gonNA have enough time really to go into all of the international divisions of this. Yeah and speaking. The of International Sophie is signaling to me that it's time for an ad break from the international corporations that sponsor this podcast all right globalism Globalist Alex Jones Voices on point. They do. Here's the thing saving money with. 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Nine hundred seventy would would prove to be the black panthers highpoint and again there's a number of reasons for this police repression disruption of the leadership and stuff had a lot to do with it I should did not. And it's very fair to note that it was not just police in state violence that we're responsible for the decline of the Black Panthers. There were other sort of factors that played into it. And I'm going to quote from Black Against Empire Empire again because it gives you an idea of some of these other factors the resilience of the Black Panthers. Politics depended heavily on support from three broad constituencies blacks opponents of the Vietnam War and revolutionary governments internationally without the support of these allies. The Black Panther Party could not withstand repressive actions against the by the state but beginning in nineteen sixty nine steadily increasing through nineteen seventy political transformations undercut the self interest. That motivated these constituencies to support the panthers. Politics as mainstream Democratic leaders opposed the war and Nixon scaled back back. The military draft blacks one broader social access and political representation and revolutionary governments entered diplomatic relations with the United States the panthers had greater difficulty sustaining staining allied support first major concessions by the political establishment and the Nixon administration on the Vietnam War eroded the basis of where opponents support for the panthers politics once it appeared the war would be ended through institutionalized political means those principally committed to ending the draft in war no longer shared a personal stake in radically transforming political institutions. Many now increasingly saw the panthers call for revolution is unnecessary from nineteen sixty nine onward increasing electoral representation as well as affirmative action programs in growing access to government. Unemployment and elite education also weakened the base of support for the Panthers Revolutionary Politics among blacks from the end of reconstruction eighteen seventy seven until nineteen sixty nine. No more than six black people had held a seat in the US House of Representatives at once but just two years later black representation more than doubled with thirteen people holding seats in the House of Representatives by Nineteen seventy-one one so a lot of why the panthers decline is because these groups who supported them because they were in like for their own self entry. Miltie got got what they wanted and stopped caring about this kind of revolutionary struggle for equality. Yeah Yeah my my father would say they like you know the government will always get they man you know whatever they want if the if the system decides they want you go and you're gonna be go right and unlike any would also say what you what you ain't go never mess with. is they money. Have you messing with they. Money GonNa stop it you know so this idea of of like you had this coalition. It was cool when it was like okay. Y- y'All WanNa sit at the same table as sorry. That's all right fine. You know what I'm saying. Okay Ah you want to beat you in the streets are I. Guess what I'm saying. Once you start messing with our money though you know and And in especially like our our international is like I said when you said this on the last episode when you first invited me on here I wanted like refresh my memory with like uh with with my father's experience I caught him and talk to him about it for a while so this was like the time he was in and he was saying he was saying that he would talk about like the multi tiered approach of like The the the sowing seeds of doubt of like you know even just the the idea of saying like hey you know You got this coalition but like now like Wolf. The war's over wire y'all here right. So he even even mentioned he mentioned what exactly what you were saying. It was like now till it. He's gone like what do we do. Then you had like the the the the what we what we in the slaying. Now we'll call street sweepers but it was essentially like the injunctions of like you're not allowed to gather. He was talking about like if there was two or more on the sidewalk. That constitutes a Black Panther anther meeting. So you'd be stopped by the police in like broken up because you just standing on a street corner together. You know what I'm saying. So like this multi tiered approach to like whether it was sowing seeds of doubt dividing the coalition mess with their money. Just like all of those things together If if the government decides his government decided they on won't you won't you. Yeah Yeah. Yeah and it's yeah. I'm glad you brought up like the The the the the cracking down on so-called meetings that again. That's that's what of those things like this. There was so much sure it was on. I think it was on my dock at some point. I didn't get written up absolutely important. I'm sure there's other stuff like that that I've left out because there's just so much to go over here. Yeah glad you did bring that up. the Black Panther Party was eventually dissolved in nineteen eighty two and the FBI and you know local. Federal State law enforcement cannot be blamed for all of that. Yeah but their efforts succeeded in draining huge amounts of energy from the organization killing at least twenty of its members and most importantly destroying or distracting. Its most influential leaders. Huey P Newton spent most of the nineteen seventies fighting a seemingly endless series of legal battles. There were accusations of violence and embezzling and even murder that are very hard for me to Parse Out It is possible. He committed these crimes possibly embezzled given what we know about the FBI's ever to take him down. I have a lot of difficulty giving too much credit to any of these charges. He was murdered in nineteen eighty nine by tyrone Johnson a member of the black guerrilla family prison gang and it's very difficult to not draw connections between that murder and the FBI motivated debated US killings. Yeah I don't know yeah can't Har impossible not to think about it. Did you come across like aside. No but did you come across the the ten demands of the Black Panther Party where we're getting into that today. Okay Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's that's what I wanted to end. Did you yeah. Are you going to cover like their connection connection with the founding of the CRIBS and took Williams and stuff that we're not so if you have some yeah I would. I would love to so this this window that you talked about this. Nineteen eighty-three window. Oh of like the sort of seeing you know you got these. Three dudes like seeing the destruction of the party hardy and almost like the same sort of disillusionment like damn. That didn't work either. You know what I'm saying and then you went to introduce crack and then everything changes but like that that sort of transition from the panthers dissolving to these like you know just street gangs of just like what we know as the crypts. You know what I'm saying being like you. There's a documentary called the bastard children of the Black Panther Party and is about the founding of the crypts and Oakland that window between those two sort of like so like the dissolving of that and then the birth of this you know Being a new sort of like communal police force and then and then the crack attack and waited all goes to Shit but interesting. Yeah I I had no idea about any of that. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And the whole crack in the inner cities thing in the that that's a whole nother two or three part. I don't WanNa just spout off about that. Because even among the people who are on the right track. There's a lot of misconceptions Shinzo carried out. It's very detailed. Whatever the case may be it's understood in the inner city that like yeah crack destroyed us? It's it's what made our gang's violent. You know what I'm saying and just the the the moving of drugs is what made our gang's violent. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And that's really important in context and also important context is the to really get an idea of the sheer level of of a fuck ary perpetrated against against the Black Panther Party by the FBI during the period of quinto pro of the two hundred ninety five actions the bureau took to disrupt black groups Under co Intel pro. Two hundred thirty three were taken against the panthers. The FBI paid out more than seven point. Four million dollars in bribes to Black Panther informants which is more than tw- for for context context. That's more than twice the amount of money they spent on. Bribing informants who were organized crime and form. They spend you Weiss's much money on on the Black Panthers as they did on the fucking Bob and the mob in like the sixties and seventies when Bob is like really a big deal she will mob. Yes yeah like the hard core. fucking scorsese mob. Yeah we're Scorsese mob. Yeah Yeah that I I will speak. I think I can speak for all black people. I'm like I'M GONNA limitations. I am. We are absolutely fascinated like the Irishman Irishman. Being like all the greatest movie ever like you know honored as like this like now. I'm like young Martin murderer like okay my movies too but how could like yellow so fascinated with just these like these white like gangsters like why is it. Okay aided by white gangsters. y'All said wonder how many of the people who love those movies also think think that rap music unfairly glorified criminals point. That's my boy. I'm just like why. Why are okay with this like why is this? This type entertaining. Like why is this. Okay Yeah Yeah So Yeah we've spent this episode talking about this. The incredibly Lee sweeping campaign Disrupt destroy the Black Panthers by the FBI and by law enforcement and we might not know about any of this if it weren't for the actions of eight really fucking cool dudes Led by William C Davidson a professor of physics at Haverford College in Nineteen seventy-one they spent months casing and FBI field office in Philadelphia. Elvia during the night of a major frazier Ali fight when everyone was distracted they broke into the FBI's offices with a crowbar and made out with a Carload of FBI files. Those files included numerous memos from J. Edgar Hoover on the Black Panthers and the CO Intel pro operations now the FBI tried to stop the press from writing about any of this but the Washington Post was courageous enough to flip the bird and write about. The findings inspired a blizzard of foia requests from Panthers who suddenly had confirmation that they didn't surveilled for years years all the shit. They've been writing about on our backs. No you're paranoid no look no seriously yeah yeah. For an example of what was found one member guy named Rodney Barnette received a five hundred page file on himself quote documenting his whereabouts interviewing every employer he's ever had interviewing his schoolteacher his neighbors all of his siblings and observing him getting getting on airplanes so all of this led to an investigation in nineteen seventy six by the Senate committee on Intelligence Activities The final report they issued noted the actions carried out by the F. B. I.. Under CO INTEL PRO quote would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all the targets had been involved in violent activity but but Cohen tell pro went far beyond that the unexpressed major premise of the programs was that a law enforcement agency has the duty to do whatever is necessary to combat perceived threats is to the existing social order and political order but the report stated although the claimed purpose of the program was to prevent violence its tactics quote. Were clearly intended to foster violence and many could reasonably have been expected to cause violence. The Senate concluded that the F. B. I.. Quote itself engaged in lawless tactics and responded to deep deep seated social programs by fomenting violence and unrest and part of me wants to end on that note. But I don't think I want to give the government. The last word in this episode. Even if that last word is the government condemning the actions of Zone agents are bad so for the last word in this episode. I think we should go over the Black Panthers. Ten Point Program introduced in nineteen sixty eighty six by Huey p Newton and Bobby Seale and Bobby Seale by the way we talked about Newton he died. Obviously Hampton died. Seal is still alive today. Early recording this episode has continued to be an activist. Activist ran for office a couple of times And Yeah it's still around to this day so that's at least one bit a positive So here is the ten point program what we want now number one we want freedom. We want the power to determine the destiny of our black community number two. We want full employment for our people number three. We want an into the robbery by the white men of our black community later changed to we want an end to the robbery by. The capitalists are black and oppressed communities. I four we want these in housing fit for the shelter of human beings five. We Want Education for people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society we want education that teaches us are true history and our role in the present day society six. We went all black men to be exempt from military service seven. You want an immediate end to police brutality and murder of black people eight we want freedom for all black men held in federal State County and city prisons and jails nine nine. We went all black people when brought to trial to be tried in a court by a jury of their peer group or people from their black communities as defined by the Constitution of the United States' intent ten we want land bread housing education clothing justice and Peace Now that list of demands also included a list of beliefs. Starting with we believe that black black people will not be free until we are able to determine our own destiny and included a reiteration of the panther belief in the importance of community self defense. We believe we can end police brutality and are black community community by organizing black self-defense. Groups that are dedicated to defending our black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States gives us the right right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all black people should arm themselves for self defense. There were also demands for the release of all black people incarcerated in American prisons since none of them could possibly have received received a fair trial. The whole thing ended with this paragraph winning the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected did them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws and nature's God entitle them a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes compelled them to separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident and that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain alienable rights that among these are life liberty and the pursuit unhappiness that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends. It is the right of the people to alter and abolish it and to institute new government laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its power in such a form as to them shall see most likely to affect their safety the unhappiness prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes and accordingly. All experience has shown that mankind are more supposed to suffer while evils are suffering L- than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accused but when a long train of abuses and user patients pursuing invariably the same object of instances designed to reduce them under absolute despotism. It is their right and their duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards of their future security. You may recognize that as the beginning of the declaration of independence. Yes yeah man. What a frigging journey any in there so like again? US Ten different people with the Black Panthers. Are you get ten different answers. Even people that we're in the movement. Yeah but the end of the day man like you know wherever like point might be a problem is I mean. Is it so much to ask to be like. Yeah I just wanted housing. That's like suitable humans. How about that? Yeah Yeah Yeah and at the end of the day I think why they ended on that note. I'm just quoting the introduction to the region of independence is they're saying what we want is for this nation to make good on its promises. Just just keep your promises. Yeah Yeah like they're saying like this thing that you claim to revere this is a good document. It got some good should there. Why aren't you doing it? Yeah that's what we were about. Let's do it. Yeah Yeah so good. Yeah yeah cool cool prop. Is there anything you want to go into Before we roll out of this one man I think mentioning some of the like some of the women like to pop connections to core. You Know Nikki I mean Angela. The Davis you know what I mean her her prison reform stuff that she's doing now like some of these people You don't Nina Simone like just some of the like things that are having like a uh in Cuba right now. Why am I blanking? WHO's in Cuba right now? Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah Some other like in in Cuba and and Algieria they had like a number of them wound up living. Yeah they just they just went there so yes some of some of the women you know what I'm saying that were like so so pivotal you know saying and again like A phonics a core like to pox. Mom You know what I'm saying You know going to prison hair being pregnant with to park in prison. You know what I'm saying stuff like that like ties to like now I think would be cool to kind of cover. Yeah Yeah and. That's definitely the biggest shortcoming of this. Is that like. Yeah I mean I definitely didn't go into detail enough about like the different women activists The international stuff that went on. It's there's so much to talk about I the they're always going to be imperfect and I only I but when we show that gun you you like. Angela Davis teaches at Berkeley elite. Like you could go here her right now. You could go here her lecture. You know what I'm saying like those things to me like these like living you commandments. That like like if we could gather these stories and hear the more Mike a year and why they still alive. You know what I'm saying I think he's like super even if you don't like even if you know rock with like a lot of whatever. They stood for right now like she was she was on this campaign like just in prisons period is like neons are ineffective. They don't don't work. They just make more criminals. You know what I'm saying so you go here her right now. You know what I'm saying like talk about saying like why to park was who he was again. Momma was a panther. You know what I'm saying like and was in prison pregnant with him. You know things like that I think is like these lists. It's like it's not. It's not that long ago. You know what I'm saying like some of these people are still alive and still accessible but really the the the mist I to me even in a lot like the academic work with the with the panthers harped on this a lot but like what the women did you know what I'm saying. They were doing the cooking looking for those. who like breakfast programs? That was women doing that. You know what I'm saying when they locked up on man when it was killing a man guess who carried it. Who's the women you know what I'm saying so I just think that like that legacy I would love to see more on that legacy not even not from this? I'm just anxious period like less. Yeah can we talk about what the ladies did saying. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And that's you know that's probably a good. Maybe a good subject for when we do our next hero's episode the end of the year or something. Yeah Yeah Yeah. In part. I was focusing this on. I was focusing this largely on efforts to destroy the panthers and those sort of focus more on on killing and injuring. Yeah you imprisoning some of the. Yeah but you're right that's A. It's one of those things. As soon as I started reading black against empire it was like this anxiety attack of like I'm GonNa leave so much shit out uh-huh how like that's what I was saying already ready to show you mercy because it's just so much to cover your saying yeah yeah. This was a very very focused episode. And my main hope for it is that it convinces people particularly other white kids like me Go read more about these guys and women and and this this struggle go read more about this. I think black against empires a good place to start There's a lot of other really good books. That you can look into and I tell her by like I've taken your book advice before you know. Read a few things you didn't put out there in has sent those for like I read the death of democracy. It's a good one guy that was that that was a book. Boy She was. I got to say chills. I did when he was reading. Oh this isn't good yes to familiar. Yeah anyway well you know maybe consider some of the lessons in black against empire empire as part of the antidote to the death of democracy especially survival programs that sort of thing this idea of community organizing for self defense I'm the armed stuff in the stuff. That has nothing to do with guns all very important. So that's the note on this episode of Prop One A.. Plug your collectibles before we yes outta here into the weekend. My Plug ables are prop hip hop just like. It sounds Prophet pop. That's that's twitter. That's instagram that's the website. There's merge coffee paraphernalia. I'm quite a coffee nerd Couple podcast part of like really cool. Coffee Paraphernalia Oh yeah it's really really really got to look up the poor Gami. It's GonNa blow your mind. Dj Dan all our engineer. Bought one jerk. 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Between the Scenes - What Black People Can Do to Combat Voter Suppression

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

02:42 min | 2 years ago

Between the Scenes - What Black People Can Do to Combat Voter Suppression

"You're listening to comedy central. Whenever whenever I see oldest stuff about voter, registration and voter ID laws in America, etc. That's one of the few moments when I miss South Africa's racism. Because no what I liked about. South Africa's racism is that it was straight up. You know, they're just like, no blacks. Now blix. Okay. Simple as that. No blacks, and you knew where you stood only can America. They like they make you work for your races. And you know. You got to figure out there'd be like, we don't need certain people who are prone to hip, hop and swag. You people you like, which people you people like, which we were told people know, you people. I'm like, no marriage wanna be offended and enjoy it. You don't want to figure out my reason reasons to Doku or something I don't figure it out. Where they beat around the socially. But I promise you, I genuinely think that would switch things up if black people just came out and said, hey, we're all gonna vote Republican. You would be surprised how this is. This is how you realize how much like black people's decisions affect the general like Republican ideology in America. Look at the NRA's, a great example. I look at guns in America people. Always like, oh, no. That needs to be guns. A free guns a free guns the guns Greece second amendment remember second amendment, then the Black Panthers came along. And they would like this country is dangerous for black people. So they said we say all brothers and sisters, you then you get guns. You get as many guns as you can and you prepare for war, and then the white people like we need to restrict the guns. They were like we need have. No, no, no, no, no, too, many guns too, many guns. Bring it in bring it bring it into immediately. There's like Brandon bringing and bringing bringing and it's amazing just like the same thing with voting if they just thought the vote was going to go the other way, it would take a chance it'd be like Yemen voting for you. Be like early voting Republican. Yeah. Republican. Like, oh, yeah. What who you voting for? Do man. You know do. Scott. The daily show, but criminal yours watch the village. Watch the show. Weeknights at eleven ten central on comedy, central and the comedy central watch, full episodes and videos at the daily show dot com. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and subscribe to the daily show on YouTube, four, exclusive content and move. This has been a comedy central podcast.

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Elaine Brown, the first and only woman to lead the Black Panther Party

Retropod

03:33 min | 2 years ago

Elaine Brown, the first and only woman to lead the Black Panther Party

"Hey history lovers. Mike Rosen wall with retro pod. A show about the past rediscovered. Women have been a dynamic force for social and racial Justice throughout our history. But it wasn't until well into the nineteen seventies. That a woman let a major civil rights group that woman might not be who you'd expect her name Elaine Brown and in one thousand nine hundred ninety four she became the leader of the revolutionary militant. And at the time quite male dominated group. The Black Panthers. Brown's rise to the head of the Black Panthers was rather improbable? She had once worked as a cocktail waitress at the pink pussy cat club in Hollywood and was in her mid twenties when she joined the plaque Panthers her interest in the party started. When the group's founder Huey Newton was convicted of killing an Oakland police officer during a traffic stop and was sentenced to two to fifteen years in prison. The conviction was eventually overturned by an appeals court. She decided she could be part of the problem or part of the solution Brown edited the party's official newspaper and became a member of the Black Panthers central committee as minister of information she worked her way up becoming a fearsome presence. And when Newton had to go into exile in Cuba to avoid charges of killing a seventeen year old prostitute Brown took over. In August, nineteen seventy four to Mark her appointments Lear Browns summit members to a meeting in Oakland woman was taking charge of a group with some seriously, strong willed men, and it was quite a spectacle, especially after Newton's previous alleged misdeeds against women. Surrounded on stage that day by Black Panther security guards Brown looked out until the audience in with two succinct sentences took her place in history. She said, quote, I have all the guns and the money I can withstand challenge from without. And from within. Her message was characteristically blunt to a group that was known for its militant behavior and contradictory. Complicated, internal dynamics Brown said, quote, I haven't called you together to make threats Conrad's I've called this meeting simply to let you know the realities of our situation. The fact is Conrad Huey is an exile. The other fact is I'm taking his place until we make it possible for him to return. She warned against a coup saying, quote, my leadership cannot be challenged. And she meant it during her tenure Brown installed women in he administrative positions. Even though that evoked outrage from some men in the group. But her reign was short lived in nineteen seventy seven Newton returned from Cuba. His trial ended with a hung jury. He came back with a vengeance. And proving that in his absence, nothing really changed approved the beating of a female administrator of the Black Panthers school for a minor transgression. Brown confronted Newton about the beating. But he refused to back down. She decided to leave the party today. She still around and still fighting for social and criminal Justice reform. I'm Mike Rosenfeld. Thanks for listening special. Thanks to deneen Brown who reported the story for the Washington Post for more forgotten stories from history. Visit Washington Post dot com slash retro pod.

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3314: RIP Black Panther w/ Sam Evans

Keith and the Girl Comedy Talk Show

1:00:50 hr | 11 months ago

3314: RIP Black Panther w/ Sam Evans

"Welcome Keith and the girl I'm Keith Mailing Handa the PODCAST Candesartan it's called only in new. York New York stories, people born and bred hair. Tell you all about the craziness happening all over the place I see from New York one Roger Clark was a guest Yeah. Isn't that sort of like the most New York celebrity? You can get right unless it's Giuliani comes on and just lets me yell at him the whole time. It's Best I honestly I'd rather Roger Clark. Don't forget of course Oh Matt We. I saw Katherine Heller joining. Oh Matt this morning, right? Yeah we got to say hi to her she chatted afterwards it was a a celebrity sighting. Here's how I feel tell me if you feel the same way like we know now. At that it that it works out. Oh Matt is good people were you know we know what we're talking about you know what you're talking about. You lead it and we know it gets results. Do you I saw Katherine, for example where I'll see somebody joined brand new and I feel like I see a look on their face like fine. Keep keeps talking about one minute at a time club. Let's see what what could this be? And fifteen minutes later there jumping in with thoughts and how they love what's being implemented allred within the last fifteen minutes. Does that put a smile on your face? It's funny that you say that because I saw that during own Madison because a lot of the people in Madison wor listeners of the show but some of them were friends. Were Childhood Friends of Zirk cities and the people who know me personally a lot of them they come on with a smile like legitmate what my friend is doing. This is so sweet. Oh okay. Yeah. I can do that. All right and and then they like they join in that is the biggest sort of cheerleading. I can see like physically while I'm doing it is okay. They're coming in because they're supporting me and this is very nice and then they send me a text like, Hey, this is what happened because I joined. You know I got to do this and I connected with this person or whatever result from whichever exercising that makes me feel amazing. Agree today is the last day to join for just twenty dollars a week the last day you can order as many weeks you went begin whenever you want but this is the last day for the cheapest price I. Think you'll ever see twenty dollars for a week we want you to be better go to Keith and the girl dot com slash omit. No Code just keeping girl dot com slash home at our may t get the discount? All right. All right. Let's talk about today's show I think you already know something. I. Feel like we have to talk about I'm looking at episode one, thousand, two, hundred, sixty, three, R I p Greg Giraldo when the genius said died from drug overdose fourteen, forty, two, r.i.p Janey lane again alcohol and drugs lead singer of warrant. I loved them the last two albums after they fell off the face of the earth I thought fantastic. It wasn't clear to me how suicidal Jani Lane was you know he had the songs you know who? Who knows this, may but Called Indian there's nothing another song was feels good with lyrics. It feels kind of good feeling. This bad. I'm invincible at my all time low These two people that really really I felt something when they passed away and now something somebody that's. affected. So many people right now episode three, thousand, three, hundred, fourteen, r.i.p Black Panther this guy died from cancer. Chadwick. Bozeman. and. No one saw coming. It seems because he kept private when he was making all those movies and we'll talk about that. Let's introduce the man joining us today from the just for laughs. Comedy Festival Siriusxm he just released his first album sweet baby boy it's called. Sam Evans hold on a second Sam I is this. I. Mean we're also we're all fucked up today is that black face? Paint. Chest I just how you doing I'm okay. Man I'm good. It's great. It's great to be here to be cancelled. Really really feel honored. Well, tonight, we used to do face painting for kids parties and without exaggeration. The Hawk was a big deal and I would paint everybody all greet their face or neck that. Go out there and get him the parents hated it until they saw the kids all having fun been hawks against each other and some alternate universe. Would I I would have to talk. Ahead of time and go okay we gotta discuss Black Panthers. The big thing are we allowed to do white kids and black kids? Do you just do the silver white lines because it's mostly a black mask I don't know I would we'd have to discuss what to do what would we do? Well. Very I. I would. I would literally right black the words Black Panther on the face next. We might WANNA learn how to just draw panther and you know and and explain imagination as withdrawing you know like the Oh and then, and then when looking in the say, guess what you're the origin that's a panther Europe person by the end of the day if you believe hard enough and that's it just a and they fill in usually kids they're good at that and they don't usually get spanked for us like you did Keith when you were a kid and had an imagination. Did you. Are you a Superhero Guy Sam I'm a Superhero Guy I. Am I was bummed I was very sad to see him. Go ahead a good to go on a great body work. Yeah. I was genuinely bumped if you need because some people do during the Cova time your little crazy but and you know you need a good cry but every time to backwards it gets stuck in there. You want a good cry look up Black Panther kids and Black Panther costumes religious scroll. You'll be weeping in seconds 'cause they family found somebody I mean you know this I'm not saying nobody knows. They never had a black superhero and they saw themselves for the first time and yet it's heartbreaking the family put out a post. It is with immeasurable grief that we confirm the passing of Chadwick both men he's. Already three. Forty three right Chadwick was diagnosed with Stage three colon cancer in two thousand sixteen Black Panther was out in two, thousand eighteen. And he's a superhero that means he's doing all these kicks and Shit and battled with it these last four years as it progressed the stage for their of course, those stage five, a true fighter Cheddar preserved through at all and brought you many of the films you've come to love so much from Marshall we talked about it on this show to the five bloods that was recently on Netflix Spike early. August Wilson's marines black bottom in several more. All were filmed during a between countless surgeries and chemotherapy was an honor of his career to bring king to Charlotte to life. In Black Panther he died in this home with his wife and family by side I didn't even know as Mary just fucking. Guys are real secret superhero. He got married the last couple of months of his life. I got a chance where he got married the last couple of months of his life. Yeah. Yeah God kept it a secret basically, the family thanks you for your love and prayers and asks you to continue to respect their privacy during this difficult time and ABC says, yea. But also we want to do a two hour special on. With that said, yeah, he was James Brown and get on up he is Jackie Robinson and forty two. Thurgood. Marshall Thurgood Marshall. Marshall. It's the only superhero movie ever nominated for Best Picture Black Panther. So you have marvel marvel begins in nineteen. Forty. Maybe, even in the thirties, the first legit Black Superhero movie came in twenty eighteen finally no offense the spawned later meteor man but this was a big big deal. and. I. I saw it twice and I saw it twice because as I I was watching it. I. I was dating at the time and I was thinking of and I didn't care for the movie that much. I found a corny but I was texting like plants on go hey the everybody's talking about black pants. Do you see that I didn't sales already watching it but I figured she was going to say no and she said Yes focke I'm already in fucking. So ended up in three fourths of it twice way. Why did you think she would say now? What does she care about a superhero movie? Is a psychologist. What she she never saw a superhero movie. We've been on dates before she never brought up superheroes and then okay. So why did you? Try to show I know what's The Fun guy here? The worst. Okay. So why why did you only see one in three fourths time because I left to last fourth of Melik? Let's be a surprise to me. I the first time you're watching it alone. Yeah. Honestly I thought the first time you were watching it with a date and then like during your dating period, you just saw it with every woman you went on a date with kept thinking she's not going to be interested. I needed. To keep you watch some of the Times in a week. You're also like you know you also have to realize a lot of these are first second or third dates with these people they're trying to do a give and take. If you WANNA see the biggest movie happening right now I don't know who am I to say no, I said Yes to that stupid movie like the only Asian movie we've ever seen in our lives apparently just because a friend it's like to such a new friend I was like, okay again I guess. Big Fat Crazy Asian wedding. Right. My my fat fucking H. You know how it's the probably asked her if she wants to see this. Ah. I like your doctor. So you don't got time for this, bullshit? Right. No actually is a waiter and I said no desert or coffee. Ice. Free Leaf but who was going to say no to Black Panther, that's like it's one of your fake tests, Keith like racist what like wh what? You want to go movie but like Not The only black one. We've ever seen in any theater ever not that. This seems like a he's about to make history right? You don't give a shit. It's fine right so in the avengers. Prince two Challah is They introduce him but his dad is is the king and I believe was the UN. If I'm correct Sam right that's cry. It blows fact checker. Goes up and the king dies. So that's how the prince becomes. The key now in the avengers movie they go, we check the tape and it looks like the avengers were behind blown up the you wet. Oh now, why would they ever do that? Who knows but all of a sudden the government loves turning on the greatest Superhero team of all time, and now the avengers are on the run and they have to start dealing with dealing with life like that. It's like mission impossible or a the james bond movies ever they always, they always misread a tape and the government just turns on them like I don't get it. Now teams bond is never ever bad you have but maybe the stress made him bad good enough for me. Let's kill 'em. Way You always want as a person who creates a movie in produces one is four keys to summarize it. It's just the warmest version ever. He just he gets the nuances. He gets the feel for it and you really just kind of you know what you're into in fact, don't bother watching the movie he just did it I. Think they were even voices somehow I also I liked at the beginning of any of key summaries just begin with. So the movie I didn't like it it was corny anyway here's what happens. Okay I I understood why the movie was important don't get me wrong but I wasn't taking it I. Mean I had people I had people represent me my whole life. I was just like Superman I get it. I didn't know how to date and but I was super super strong if I wanted to. But always catching the lessons. That's good. So, so the the adventures have to deal with their evanger stuff meanwhile, prince the CIA he goes back to his hidden island you know his hidden space in Africa. To be king and work on stuff. Didn't that sound so bad he goes back to his hidden space. Key to work on stuff right well, that's the thing. So now you got this guy is his name happens to be killed monger I guess death bringer was taken or Corny so kill monger. Is. Like listen motherfucker you keep hiding from people we have all this technology were geniuses we also wired of us. We found Osama, bin, Laden a K. We as a group everything that America did good. We did that now you did the other stuff. Will kill monger says, Hey I. We live in this world where that's real where we were slaves were abused the the hate is still going on how `bout we get out of our hiding place and we put everybody else in bondage that was killed mongers out point of view, and now king says, no, no, no, and kill Maga says I. But there's a role in our stupid fucking world that if I beat you on a freight, I'm the president of Africa. And beats a fight. Now did swords. Remanded charge over a fight. Again this Rob Sam. You're not, but it's it's the way that you are summarizing and it's just so upsetting. Maybe, not for eulogy it's bad timing but so kill monger. Pizza up and then goes all right. I'm calling all our planes all over the all over the world the planet. Earth. And We're going to start taking over different countries and these planes go. Yeah. No problem I mean I. Didn't I didn't see in person but I understand you're the new guy so I'll do it if I got you know they understand family and and rules rules. So. So anyway, Black Panther he gets away somehow comes back learns a lesson then it's able to beat him in a fight 'cause he means of moral in time he understands its import like not voting for trump a second time. He's like I. Got a really try in this fight. Now, the briefest part of your summary was the third act. Anyway, he learns a lesson. He figures it out. You get somebody snuck them out, but he's back now. And he's got his suit. Now he's got this suit and what Kinda armor fights you you know. So you here's the superpower you punch the armor. If you puts it a second time, the armor punches your back. It uses your powers don't worry about it. That's all the technology needed to explain the end. So thoroughly stood the importance. Clearly, S we've. Anytime. There is something deep I turned to my date and I go I get it. Like they go kill Mauger. We could still save you and it goes save me. You know I'm a bad fucking guy. You're just GonNa have me in bondage the whole point of this movie. I like my ancestors who knew to jump from his ship and die instead of being in bondage and I go I get what he's talking about. And she's probably very impressed. We didn't talk much because it's a movie and pack, but I'm like I. Get it. And you say you're not dating this person anymore. Yeah, even you're saying this didn't work on doctor. Right she's like, yeah, but kids are supposed to get it to so. Bragging. You're in your forties. We should ask a seven year old to also summarize this movie and seen how much of it matches. Right. Plus I'd say it's funny because he's like that was. Sound right. So. So Chadwick Bozeman wins it MTV award. Of course, for a Black Panther, he gives his award to James shod junior the guy who fought off a Maga- gunman at a waffle house in Nashville right he's surprised at the MTV awards. He they go just come to the awards. You're you're kind of a hero and then surprise. You get this fake popcorn thing. And everybody cries. What a great guy very bummed out. You think it's going to be funny like when we get to heaven and God explained his whole plan or find the like now that makes sense I didn't get the whole plan yet. It seemed like a really shitty shitty life with no explanation and the best people are dead. But I think but that one sentence God. Again. That's why Chadwick had to leave us a guy that seems so I mean who the fuck knows with Hollywood, but he seemed so genuine and I know he's just playing good guys. But he he seemed like the real fucking deal and God's going to be able to explain that to me in some years. Okay. I can't wait for this fucking essay. Shit. Go can you put your eighteen? No I believe in God so that I can hate him. I gotTa tell you what a beautiful. Eulogy this is turned into. Chadwick did great work. It sucks these and fuck am I right Probably believed. So I'm sure rest and power. Is a next his the tweet that statement I just read was a tweet from the family record tweets seven and a half million likes three million re tweets the one rape before that is yes to at Kamla. Harris. Clapping hands when we all vote vote twenty, twenty So as pretty clear about the the you know what? Wow I counts as your final words now twitter. Yeah. Yeah God that's so scary. I've got so many stupid tweets, right? Being driving folks that sounds like a good idea. I'm going GONNA tell my family if I make a political tweet and you could tell it's my point of view and you know what I believe in it. Leave it up but if it's like a real stupid does be thing. Our. To give a eulogy 'cause I gave You my password. down. What were his last words always said I just had a grilled cheese that was fucking banging, right? Do I play by ball's 'cause they stink or do they stay 'cause I play Stand, okay I'm going to take that went down and. For me it would be a poll how many times is too many times to watch gilmore girls. Right. I saw the I saw the movie Gilmore Girls I take it back. They were pretty good. They were I, take it all back I was so angry that would be your tweet. It a strange name. Black. Panther. I, know it really was taken from the Black Panthers, the political movement, but still you got Batman because he's a bat spider man iron man is I suit was made out of iron black panthers like soy soon panther. Matte Black Panther, your Black Panther done but Black Panther let's Go God damnit and Evan. We specifically had you on because we understand that your point of view will be different than case please. Yes. I. Think it's fine. Right? Like are you? Are you saying that like problematic that he's I don't know. It's just interesting. Is the everybody else's man and he's your Black Panther. Kansas Be Panther. Panther man maybe no Black Panther. We're going to go with the Black Panther Dude but. Sam the last time. I just called you Evan. I heard them in my head we have to you have to you have to first names first names off putting. CLEESE's. You're in Hollywood right? Just change. It's not even a big deal. It's kind of. silly. All right. So anyway, you can listen to US first time I talked about that date and seeing the Black Panther movie. It was episode twenty, eight, ten we had rod from the Black Guy who tips. He decided to name it that. Okay. Not Me. Thank you. I'm reading this show notes, guns, guns, guns, Keith. country. View listeners views on gun control and trump's reaction to the Florida school shooting. Hey, take a guess. Was it appropriate? I don't know you gotta go to. Twenty eight ten to find out trump was appropriate. Throwing a load is a category Keith reviews his bad pool hall date will tend to provide colorful commentary. That must have been fun for me. black power keep found the film Black Panther Ridiculous Rod from the Black Guy who tips calls in to defend the movie. The gang discusses plot silliness as well as the cultural significance that Black Panther has for people of color and spin psycho Keith reviews the second day. So I think it's this one with his new. Love How It didn't work out of a of a newer large. But then try to be positive is only the second day. Then I'm like Oh this. Let me tell you about my darling you know but. You know what I remember I remember at. I don't know if the second date or third day is a big deal and I said to her like, Hey, there's something I have to tell you and hopefully already I didn't make it a big bigger deal. It's not cancer I really should just say what the fuck it is and she goes that you were married and I'm like, yeah, I do know that she's like Oh. God dammit between Black Panther and this I saw your wedding ring and you're fucking on the APP. But also I like I like the Keith is trying to say that he has a history of anything being forty something years old as like, please sit down can I get you something to drink How do I say this I had twenty years of adulthood before I met you. Yeah, and like now I'm I'm I'm still an adult but like in this way and I've the paperwork to show it. That's the difference I guess between me and maybe somebody else that you've dated probably not because we're in our forties and everyone's coming with something. Oh, you didn't care. You thought I was going to tell you I've AIDS. Okay. Yeah I'm working on it I'm new to dating Yup. We Swipe left on this conversation. If you want right I, just wait for all fucking body off the chair. Next. Yeah. It is I totally on on your side of this I think that it is not a big deal. Right? You get reasonably into adulthood and you're like, yeah, that's fine. But he wanted me down you'd better tell you still married. I'll sit down for that. But. If if you're done being married like I, don't know is the chicken done to let's each beep twice said what it was. She goes first of all, whatever it is we can find a doctor for that and I'm like, no, I'm fine. I'm over it. I just thought Oh that's what you mean. No, it does I have come to realize it shows that someone you enough it's actually good. One is good for your resume. Yes absolutely. Yes. Good aspect. I had a brother joke. You know. Well, I was never married. So I'm pure and I said yeah sorry. Luck out there. Yeah. That's like if I go but I come with my virginity so hot, it's like, Oh, you should have done something else. You could teach me everything. Yeah Wants to do. I don't think I would be turned off by a lady that's been divorced at all. Though do you think that's the case came to? It's different. You are from heaven. No I think this point. No but I think we're in a society of like. people who understand that I think a lot of people don't even talk about if they want kids. To not like talk in mixed company I think a lot of things are taboo and this is one of them citing keep this coming from somewhere he's coming from like. This very. yeah. Did the kind of like Dating that happens I pick you up and were courting and stuff is really lovely but it comes with These this table manners that might not exist anymore and some people are not through that yet. Right now you have to have. You gotta get a home run in third basin. You gotTa have a three way. Someone's interest. Yeah. I think maybe before we were sending Dick Pic without having to go and develop them life was a little bit different. Were you. Were you in a time where you to develop pictures in order to show them to people? No I think because my childhood I, you know I had the Internet probably from about age seven onwards. So by the time I got to high school, it was good to go. You know I want you to think back of a time where if you saw sunset that was going to be one of twenty six pictures that you're allowed to take, and then you have to go somewhere and develop so you can take ten pictures of the sunset, but your role film will not be cared for. A wasteful slob yet. Yeah. That's a that's a flaw. Somebody sent me this by the way speaking of comics. A if you're into what DC comics called, their black label that means is for readers over seventeen there's a three issue, forty pages per issue. Comic coming out called Batman the three. jokers. And the says this three jokers causing all this damage. Is this a boo cocky thing wise it NC seventeen. I because there's murder I mean there's there's there's rape in these comics sometimes. Yeah they really they really upped the ante on. Comic Book. It's pretty. Right. This me died today. Wow. So there's a consensus. Do they also wow I guess they haven't been asking before they blow up buildings to save one human like strew or like ads superheroes out there. Right. So. Let's see. So this comes out August twenty fifth it's the end of. August twenty fifth where we at now, I'm so lost the thirty first of August. Okay. So now somebody sent me a picture from one of the comics and these detectives are saying ain't no way joker could've took out the mocks and family killed that comic in Somerset and poison these poor bastards here at the same time, he'd have to be at three places at once. Jesus. I don't know I just don't nobody knows how to spell somerset right. Let's Shattered or not, but is very fun to say. We talked to your girlfriend Carmen Lagola recently sam? No. Yes. Do you want I'll you know what I'm going to let you go first explain Oh No I was just trying to I was being facetious about like the old ball and chain. Anyway. I'm just trying to do the thing where I'm the parent and be like, why don't you tell me before I have to tell you I so I went to see my girlfriend and there's this thing online I take. So funny Stephen Castillo does it a very funny comic I've seen live he rates for SNL. You've seen them Oh. Yeah I love. Stephen I think he's fucking brilliant. So he did a fake MTV movie awards. Like, forty five minutes long. It's at first. It was so well done for being in time of Cova de I I'm like is this real I can't tell if this is real or not. If MTV's really promoting it. On Youtube joy it. And then it it. So Raunchy and what do you call it dark that I'm like all right no way this is real. I watched like fifteen minutes of it. I deliberately saved it to take it to my girlfriend's house and show her in the teenagers I'm I'm excited in fact I, tell her and I said Hey. It's cursing but I hear your kids personal time. Do you want to see us and she goes yeah that'd be great. Let's do that. Maybe we'll watch stand by me. Suck. On problem. Sam It say. They think they have a problem with into Nice. They're not doing any of us a favor who's Day can you just stick with Kyle and your relationship and how it blows your mind every time she doesn't tell you exactly what you need's exactly waiting lane. So of course, we don't watch this. Tell me if you relate Sam we don't watch it the next day. were. So we watch something that the kids can watch the next day reading breakfast or something. She's like, oh. We should watch something like you WanNa get the laptop and watch this. This MTV thing I don't know if it's real or fake, but I know it's very funny that she goes. Yeah. Absolutely I start getting up to get the computers she goes. Should we watch some news instead of maybe a lifetime thriller? Watch, and then I, go home last night I watched the she goes what redoing what's news I go I'm watching the TV thing I saw they'll think it's hilarious I wanted to see Ya. Somebody. How's IT over there? Sam Do you guys communicate I fully relate to this? I don't WANNA I don't WanNa. Rag. It'd be like Oh women, but it is a problem that we I haven't it even with like like I brought up the movie lady bird because I had heard that it was good and I was like, Oh, carbon. Let's Watch Lady Bird I bet you eleven is like I don't want to see that bullshit and then a week later watched it with her friends that she was like you got to see lady bird I was like you gotta be fucking kidding me. Right. Hills Right. Hand deal with them may I tell you what we do in my house Every time before we watch something, we flip a coin. I am always heads he is always tales no matter what we flip a coin for if it lands on heads, I, pick a movie a show whether it's twenty two minutes or two hours, and that's what we're watching felons on tales. It's his turn sometimes last night landed on tail heads three times. That was three full episodes of Gilmore girls. You're welcome. That's really smart. I actually. Know sometimes, it's frustrating because it's like I have to stop myself from being like listen. It's been three heads like I feel like you should have a tail and he's like, no, we decided this is fine. I WANNA do it. I want to break the rules to be more fair which is interesting because I think it is sort of what you guys are talking about like do you want to be fair? So you're sort of going in a weird direction about it. So I just go heads again I win I'm so excited that it's my turn again to help you still like me. Don't say yes you want to see it. If you don't because I'm gonNA find out you don't like yes it's GonNa. Kinda. Ruined the fun of the Yes. It's one literal minute. It's the ambiguity it's like it's like the you trying to be nice and say, Hey, do you wanNA watch this and they're like, yes or maybe or I don't know and it's like just say no, I won't be upset at all at all. At all in fact, now, I'll be able to be there for you more because I know what you like and I can't tell you a fucking thing about her. I know she's I know she's good. Person I know that. But. Shit she likes. fucking bitter for a birthday. I don't know anything. She likes. It's everything. I. Like and Nothin'. Because if we did the coin flip. And she'd be like, okay, you got it. You know or. Myself. And then you know what I remembered say about this on the show before about. Ten. Out Outta ten, she loves everything. She ever saw even if I saw her, you know on our phone or passed out. She loves it, and so I sat in on the show like she will tell me she's to nice and she's like she got upset a little bit like don't tell them on tonight's I'm like I'll fix it tomorrow and I'll say you're me. What have you I am not. I I did when I was over there though are you good? Are you a handyman? Sam I? Tama. I shaved changed her her toilet late way too proud about it. I don't know where do you go to Mand Dot Com? Where do you do you? Guinness records where when you like? Fix a drawer where where do we go? To receive recognition for no, but it does bring out the child in me when I do fix something I like. I not even to gloat. I. Just need somebody to bear witness to be being. Traditionally masculine. So I'll be like look, hey, look at the. fucking hung and thing and I make come into the room and look at she goes to great and right? Yeah. But. You know what's funny I mean, it's it's good and bad that. I put on the toilet seat, but she never checked it. So. It's good that she trusted me. That's flattering. But would have been nice to see the look on her face like Holy Shit with the right guy. In, fact I took it to such a place where I don't know who lifted the lid I her kids but you open the lid on the top of the LID is a post it note that says dump away heart. I would have framed the toilet if I could. I. Really. I really hope our kids saw it i. that's very probably because she didn't mention it. Wow Keith I guess is really supportive. Like this new. WHOA. Congratulate. Sam, can you imagine if Keith Malley was your Stepdad I just I think for an exercise if you ever WANNA giggle if you're having a hard day, just picture, your Stepdad could be Keith Malley that door life. That's your lot. That's what God decided. It was a funny funny way to go about your life. Siblings said to the MOM like, Hey, this guy come over 'cause he's on his way and I invited him as that. Okay. and. She goes. I don't know why you're invited him. Why would you do that and then she turns to me Kate what do you think and I turned to the kid and I go well, I don't like tricks. And and the kid goes who what's the check you know what the trick is. Even this is part of the trick. The trick is you already invited the person and then told your mom that's the trick and Kyle goes you have a key thinks everybody is trying to trick up. And then the daughter says, oh. Isn't that like some kind of mental problem China attract up. But you're doing now. So I'm right now bow stopped trying to. In the next room until they argue that. I I'm going to be honest I actually now, I kind of love at least in the sense of eight classic TV Sitcom I love the idea of Keith as a stepped in. When I I hide in another room that's the commercial. Check. This out by the way. So speaking of this new album sweet baby boy and again grads. Great job. Thanks. Are you talk about Carmen catching you watching milk port? Others I like to fuck. And it's you say she said, are you watching mom? Porn. Now you're you got your Dick in your hand. You're already don't know where your head's GonNa be but if you could do you wish instead you said like, no, she's twenty two. That's totally weird baby. Yeah. It's a narrative in San. Narrative, right. What do you do right then and there instead of shooting yourself in the face? No Pun like. What are you like I guess you're leaving me are you are you asking me like what actually happened in this area? Well, it was hard because I. didn't I covered up by the time she was in. So she didn't catch me Dick in hand but but it was like a she. She laughed harder than. I've ever. If, feels good to make your partner laugh. You know what I mean. You're like, fuck? Yeah that's hilarious. You know and she laughed harder than I've ever like said like the most brilliant. She's just like this is the best thing you've ever done comedic -ly she was really really fucking thrilled. That's so supportive. That's happy. I'm not saying I would feel this way I don't even know how can even think of this thought is she more happy that she now has one over on you in a big way? Yes for sure and also she has this is the bit that we have where we have the same thing happened and we have our to takes on it for Mo- sides and her take on it is the bid is just like, oh, now I never have to worry about getting older because I know that's your fetish. I can just age gracefully and carefree, but it is weird if you guys decide to really talk about kids and sincere manner. Wait again you. Don't. Know, you should have one it'd be great. he talks about same talks about how he's late to everything. So sometimes he so late. He's he knows the damage is done. So just takes say tim just takes his fucking time extra. That's right like you're already GonNa hate me it's very freeing feeling for everyone. For. The Person Waiting Ernie'll you Embrace it what Zen. Zen Moment you have. Selfishly then I was listening to you on the hot mess comedy hour and you were talking about how you hate it. The guys will poke in the belly and make some kind of comment about your weight and go hey, it's a joke and I have this problem with people too in that. They say some fucked up I say something fucked up back like let's say it was hit in the belly. I'd be like, yeah and you walk around with fucking retarded eyeball and then they go shocking I'm like I am to your is great and I don't have a weight issue. Yeah we're all joke again. I I find that way too often no. I was joking but then was to what's the fucking show and? What is the joke? That's insidious thing about it is when you do something back or you just get angry about it in general, your the your the one freaking out. I hate it. It's a mind game if you like that's what a lot of comics do you tell a joke and like it's edgy or whatever it's GonNa poke fun at something and then somebody writes the joke was so stupid and I didn't WanNa, laugh and even if it is funny. Comic goes. Well, what can I say I don't get why and it's like, no, you're doing your job and then they're doing their job and you're both saying words and if your words are just joking and don't matter and should be tossed into whatever pile, then their words are, whatever it is and should be tossed into their pile and we all get to say things. You of microphone. Amplified. Dr Fox up they go. What can I do? Then it's not a skill comedian. I can't leave that in there I can't see. A, fucking scalpels in your all. This couple that opens you up and helps me do that back can't leave data in there you went to school for it. Okay. Okay. We have a read it. Went to school for it is like saying you have a degree or you're educated, you went to school for that. There's a school for your brain. Picture of the doctor patient pictures. Dr Yonne that the patient you know like. You you know better. So wash cloth doesn't stay in your body. Okay. All right. Okay. What else? Dr New Guy. What's his name nurse? Doctor Mollie. Dr Mollie. Wait a minute. This was working on Dr Mollie. Keith a girl. You can find them to read it kinda started the thread cold keeping track of periods speaking of relationships I started noting in the health. APP. On My iphone when I get my. For some reason I can't remember on the own month-to-month. How do you keep track of your period and you like it if your partner keeps track? Say when I know. I know I notice when my girlfriend's on her way to my house and then text I'm having a bad. They should even come over and then it's like you're on your period. Could you imagine I go now I could tell it's a bad day. Not If you're not sure today probably not we'll. We'll watch a movie virtually like well, keep coming over and I'll buy some cookies or something. That's that's similar is where where I got the idea to start this thread was. Durkee said, Hey, you might be getting your period and I'm like, okay you keeping track and he wanted to shoot himself face and I'm like, no I I would want to. It's fine. If You keep tracking, how do I? How do I stop everything right now I know how do I not present this as are you keeping track what I have PM at like it? So it's already such a heated topic from you know the the the things that we grew up with like we were hiding tampons and what is not allowed. To Make Fun of it, you are allowed to make fun of it, but it's real and he can tell when period is coming I. Don't think he writes it down I. Think I have a we will know I know I have a week where I'm hungrier I'm more irritable. I have less patience for things and it's not things that you shouldn't take. Seriously it's stuff that you all all of you looking in both of your faces in everybody else listening you all are probably annoying about, but normally it's like, okay but for example. Keith sometimes after a show and we're not in the same room anymore the our theme song will get stuck in his head and he whistles it over and over and over and over again and. Listen to US escaping. Or has a man and I'm like no can't be fifty versions of this after show while we're all working. Fast Beimai radar. gave me. All kinds of all kinds of ways you could do it. Okay there. There's some kind of hand movements with it sometimes now to some people, this might sound great, and for the most part, you can just like let it go. But maybe if I don't have as much patience in the other day ago keeps you don't know how to whistle. and. Maybe that's my response to it that day Oh, that's what I try it on the counter. What I do is if Kyle seems a little meaner than usual than usual got. Something seems ordinary. I quickly go to the wall calendar and put an X. Right there and I've learned it can't do that and so that's that's the thing it's so taboo and and we don't want like US bleeders. We don't want to be seen as monsters, which is the only thing we've been depicted as before the period. So one of the one of the people in that thread wrote, yes my partner does keep track and he gets like cookies ready or he brought her something it's like, yes. If if we knew that you got, let's call it sick once a month we'd be prepared like you know I know on my first period I'm going to need a hot water bottle. If you have that for me and that's like you keeping track of my period. How Nice is that you going to be in pain? I just am going to be in pain. There's nothing I can do about that. So I, don't know just WANNA. See like can you keep track and it seems like the nonbelievers keeping track Just by The Moon truly say, Oh, well, I'll tell you a comment about that but I don't T. it's I've never I've never been with the woman that it was monthly it. I my my girlfriend skipped the month. She just skipped a month. Fine by the. Sure but it's not clockwork. It's not clear at least to me. I don't I never bothered because it was never clockwork minus pretty pretty clockwork. Sam. CARMAN's. Is, not it's not. It doesn't vary wildly but it does shift a little bit and it's like it's certainly less than a month. I would say, right it's like twenty eight days twenty seven. Twenty eight is is exact So that is a cycle good for you the Eddie, a make any plans do you like let's say you do get an attitude that wouldn't be there otherwise the already are you like Yup expected or does it take your second like who the fuck of my width? That's what happened to me I'm like what? You know what would be great. You track it and and you know to be nicer on one of the weeks Nicer. Right should cheese whatever she is, and then then she goes, Oh, I'm on my period and you go out don't worry about it and you hinder a card that says forgiven. That you already tracked it, and there's not a problem forgiven forgiving you for your natural cycle. You know worry. I'd love to tell you I have that foresight but I swear to God it's been four or five years and just every time I just have that moment after like the first day where I'm like oh I never anticipated I. Should Case Sam because for me it's been over thirty years and I'm like. Yeah. So Yeah. Right. This person essential nations, essential notion excuse me I don't WanNA misrepresent the notions. Family says, I use my fitbit APP to track my period. I find it very helpful to have a heads up. I've always check my period using a calendar but apps with predictive technology do a better job Caen I. Guess they can tell like like if your blood's changing or something right your heartbeat maybe. Well the. Mine isn't even that's fisticuffs but based on you know just tell it had got my period today. It'll tell me hey, you might be getting your period within the next week. So it'll pop up to remind me basically going heads up. This is PMS right now Elon Musk just said he's canceling his AI brain memory. Project things work on a period tracker. He's like I can't take it anymore. WHO CAN BE? What am I gonNA do a rocket goes up it comes back lands where it went up. That's pretty cool who the fuck does that help you know. As. Far as I know my Hubby doesn't track my psycho it'd be fine with it. If he did antiques girl says I use the Clue App C. L. U. E.. That's funny. Get a clue, right That's a funny name I've tried the fitbit in the iphone attract too. But for me clue the easiest most accurate just about every time I start feeling over emotional or my body starts feeling a little tender I'll look clemency Oh hey I'm probably gonNA, Start, my period tomorrow this makes perfect. Sense blackjack uses a two they say it's also built by a company by women unlike many of the other apps out there. So that's a little slight at APPs being made by men but what are those apps say yet being a bitch today check? Yes. No. I won't be there of men made it. We made we might know what we want to know a little bit more than you guess. Hash, eighty four says this might sound weird or like an old wives tale hippy kind of method but I go with the moon and Lunar Cycle. I'd go to the beach and I see what doing you know what I mean. I noticed that the moon always looks like a fingernail on around my period. She. HOLTER thumb. The husband older, his thumb. To The sky and she's like, what are you doing nothing nothing it's just a I have a thought and you're the one who keeps fucking out. I'm just checking. Checking my nail to the moon. Also not currently dating but have had previous partners notice and mention it doesn't bother me. One of my ex's used to stock up on emergency period treats like chocolate or ice cream. It was pretty cute. The first time he's surprised me with a bar of emergency lind chocolate I have cried yet. You know what would happen if I surprised Kyle I. Periods she'd yell at me don't buy this junk s she's shovels it down I'm a piece of shit. We told you buy organic. Andrew wrote you guys okay. All right. Over there we're doing good. We're doing. It's fun to talk about. I saw a real funny thing. On, the Internet where this guy's at a party. And people are saying, Hey, put on a mass there's only a couple of hair but we're inside put on a mask and he goes these Baxter Bullshit, it's conspiracy you know air gets through masks you fucking idiot and so these two girls are like. No air doesn't get through these mess. This is the thin regular green medical mask. It's not going to do any good. Yeah all right. Put on the mass try to blow out this candle. He's like I can fucking blow it. Okay. Okay. Do It And he tries to do it and he can't from the regular Maske can't blow it a candle that goes. All right. You fucking idiot then he rips the mascot because he knows he's a moron and he goes great now fucking idiot right is that what I am fuck like how `Bout Whoa and learn some. Wow, this is really helping us live together and. Be just. wonderfully socially. Paradise in heaven. Member that smashmouth did that sturgis motorcycle show? Super Rad, they found easily over a hundred Cova nineteen cases directly because of that. Now, how many people are even reporting it but they know at least one hundred came from that. Yeah. Syrah Paulhamus tweeted out that is pretty punked though. Good for match. In the shape of an l on their forehead. Let's see this person rates FEM android teeth, are you concerned that? Dudakovic there are too few people punching waves when I go to the beach I've course give the waves then uppercut I'll do the Star Trek. You know the Captain Kirk fighting where I put my fist my hands together in one fist and beat the waves all all the chuckle is out there going to the beach or probably terrible way fighters who are you're absolutely right? We just have another horrible hurricane. You don't think that's related to people not being out there able to punch waves covert is affecting many things these hurricanes they know they're bad because they always sneak in at night I. Don't know if anybody's noticed that right? It's like Oh daylight. We see the pictures you know they know they're fucking assholes, and if we don't be getting one hundred percent of their truth from Keith. I'm just telling you. What if a five year old listening somehow going okay. That's how that works. I'll put them puts away. Then what did you do? You know it's fun to do. It's fun to do your duty. Worse case he didn't punch away. It has smart as people saint say you believe in God just in case God doesn't know you know same thing. I A lot of the no mask people. There are a lot of rules though Republicans that need their freedom. I'd like this point by day in the morning he said you gotTa Neil for the Cross you gotta stand for the flag the conservative burpee. That's great. That's really funny I. I saw the I saw part of the MTV music awards. That's what I saw what everybody's watching ABC put on Black Panther without commercials. That's why may have missed a couple of things I knew I already saad seventeen time. So I watched some of the MTV music awards. These these people are always lip synching and they do their best to Cheetan to act like it's real but now they wear masks. you. Know. That's the best analogy. But then they go extra, they really are fucking dancing like be impossible. With a mask on especially. That's wonderful. Well, entertainment is still entertaining. So that's good check. Right here's a little fun news I saw an Instagram Hannah Boone. We all know her member I saw. Danny. Vega in her house, he was helped setting her up to talk to us and. What what's going on? Now I see on Instagram Danny Vegas Center cake that says, will you be my girlfriend? and. Of course, she said, yes, because she posted the cake unless she's just a flat-out Bitch. Come to me if you're confused is that. That's absolutely true. She said I said no but then I was like wait I, mean yes and I texted her and it's absolutely true I go. I fucking know what she says I, think you probably knew before I did I said just asked me faster. On how you're telling me that you knew it Andrea's texting me in all caps she. Genius you're all so smart. Yeah. What I've been married divorced. I don't know if you know okay I can read relationships. Well, this is you know I don't think anything was going on when we were talking to them I do think that they were friends and sort of like fatty cove it your Danny vague. Danny Vega knew about code before the whole world somehow he's Seattle. He's picking up Chinese newspapers and he's Chris Creeping out people at his job because he won't lay. But he talked to them close that they go work from home. We'll still pay you get the fuck out there but you know what? In the midst of Cova I'm GonNa come to her house and help her set up a Mike I know it. That's what you're. GonNa do you're so paranoid about Kobe, but you're going to help her set up her equipment. And let her borrow it and spit all over it. It's so funny because they've worked together. They've known each other for awhile and their love languages roasting which I can relate to I, love it, and so i. See Them. They'll. Oh, they did a shoot in my house like this video shoot about marijuana spice price, their who can we? What please? Can we use for? We'd and he's he's like please quiet on the set like were just filming and she's like. We need to be quiet daddy needs as required the Fargo and it was so. I turned to engine only. They actually fighting Andras like no, that's just how they talk to each other. So congratulations to the happy couple. We're very happy for you. No I'm shocked shocked here I do think it's adorable. A lot of a lot of pressure on a stupid cake. How sweet literally is that? Ask. I asked her to be my boyfriend and a, and he made fun of me like, am I supposed to give you my class ring now? And then and then he found his class ring as like that's mine he's like don't be ridiculous. It to someone else and he's like, why are we doing like so now? He's like, no is a class ring. Don't wear it that stupid and I'm like. Okay. So you're going to give it to me and. Long. Story Short I have is class ring and it's a beautiful romantic story. When when I I took when I told. Kyle that I loved her gave her a pack of cheese sticks like those Mozzarella What's this and I'm like Oh and that's what I realized. Do not treat others how you WANNA be treated. Them how they WANNA be it was a big listen is a big lesson that they. and. We're still together. That is a tricky saying rate. It's not true at all. Now, we'd be watching the fake MTV movie award. This MTV movie awards it's so fucking funny I'm going to put the Lincoln the forms if it's really good, it's really the first as you know, maybe it'll be overwhelmed because in today's Day and age is forty five minutes long but you'll start and you'll be able to put it down. But the very first category is best fight and there's the fight from Hobson Shah and you know they. They do that music they do in the real MTV awards Hobson's shot, the island fight I forget what the other ones were. But let's say it's a Black Panther back plans oh avengers. Then game was one endgame final scene and they shouldn't other then they show shooting in the desert in the movie as the war in Afghanistan. See Sam even when he likes to movie, that's how he summarizes. Just, no offense. He's only the in Memoriam they did it in Memoriam and one of the and as the memorium is going on, they have MTV like fans popping up. Hey, just give it a quick shout from the peace. And then Put. The Link my God the in. 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Lessons Of Revolution From 'Judas And The Black Messiah'

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17:12 min | 5 months ago

Lessons Of Revolution From 'Judas And The Black Messiah'

"I'm so glad we get to talk now about this new film judas in the black messiah. I think it's really interesting. Coming off the conversation we had before the break with ethan zuckerman about insurrections institutions. What happens how people push when they experienced mistrust in government or the failure of other bodies that are responsible for the social contract. Jettison the black messiah re tells the story of the illinois chapter of the black panther party. It's chairman fred. Hampton fred hampton is played by daniel kalumiya the film depicts the assassination of hampton orchestrated by the fbi with the help of an informant. The informant's name was william o'neil. He's played by lakeith stanfield. We're gonna talk about what stood out about that movie and how it lays out a microcosm of what we were discussing before with with insurrection and institutions now with the black panthers as the case example. We're going to invite you to be a part of that conversation again. Eight hundred four two three eight two five five. Did you see the film. Do you know the history of fred hampton. Were you taught about the black panthers one about of it for you today. And what's the legacy of how we challenge authority especially as we grew in our mistrust and institutions in the sixties and seventies. Eight hundred four. Two three eight two five five. That's one eight hundred four to three talk joining us for the conversation. Michael jeffries who is the dean of academic affairs and professor of american studies at westlake wellesley. College michael welcome back. I'm so excited to talk with you. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to all right. So michael going to start by saying i did a whole lot of framing there. I should give you a chance to say whether you agree with that. Framing or you think i'm wrong. I mean it's interesting question to to frame the panthers as an insurrectionist group because when you look at their founding and especially some of their initial reasons for forming the organization they're really well within the bounds of the law and the right to defend themselves. And that's really why the black panthers started all of their activities. They were tired of the constant police violence that they were subjected to in oakland california and around the country. And we're really trying to carve out space to live a life of dignity life free from poverty and to maintain the right to protect themselves. That's a little bit different. I think from the classic definition of insurrection. Though many of the issues pertaining to justice and state institutions are certainly applicable. Would you say that in this film judas in the black panther and that's excuse me judas and the black messiah not use of the black panthers would you say that this film paints fred. Hampton as a revolutionary anna positive revolutionary. Yes absolutely it's a really interesting film because it is not a complete biography of hampton. It really tells the story of the moment. One thousand nine hundred sixty eight and nineteen nine. And the kind of dual lives of fred hampton and the fbi informant william neal who ultimately conspires in a way that leads to hampton's dat so it's it's more of a snapshot of that moment and that relationship because o'neill was inside the party working very closely with hampton and ultimately betraying him i. It's not a full-fledged biography but what it does especially in some of the early portions of the film is makes it clear where hampton stood and the position of the black panther party relative to some of the other organizations that we know from the history of the civil rights movement in this country and some of the ideological pieces that were introduced to make it quite clear that he is a revolutionary. He describes himself that way. In the film he challenges the logic of Slow reform he challenges other revolutionary logics like pan-africanism for example comes under a bit of criticism from hampton the film as well but there's no doubt he's a revolutionary because he embraces economic policies and political policies that are far outside the american mainstream and necessary for the survival of black americans in our country. We've got calls coming in. Are you ready to go to the phones. You're all right. Let's do at eight hundred four two three eight two five five. We've got donna on the line. From brockton donna go ahead. Hi yes i was just going to add that this is something that's not taught in high school or middle school history class and i think it's very important considering the next few years four years. There's going to be teenagers now. We're going to be voting. And i think we do talk about the political system and institutions in the last segment. And how we talk about How are we going to basically change. Things I think we need to start with the teachers. They make a way bigger impact than we obviously give them credit for and that set all the time and we need to change education system including the history. Books that talk about these things. I'm twenty eight years old. I never heard of the black panther party at school. I don't know. Hampton is i would. I am going to watch the movie. And i think that that should speak for itself Thanks don. I appreciate that and let 'em an add one more call here michael. Because brian's on the line from north borough and brian's a history teacher so brian jump in. Hey good afternoon folks. Thanks for taking my call. I'll keep it pretty quick My wife and i attended the opening showing In our local theater a few weeks ago. I was very excited to this movie. I did a tremendous job. I think telling this story Historically accurately in a way that everybody should understand the biggest takeaway. I had and it was curious. Your thoughts on it was the fbi's involvement at such a high level the federal government. All the way down to the assassination of fred hampton. I think it's a really illustrative example of ingrained. Racism that we we deal with every day have dealt with since our inception and maybe part of the reason it's such difficult hurdle to overcome today That was just what i took away from. It was that federal government involvement. I just wanted your thoughts. Thanks for that brian. Michael go ahead. Y'all to take both questions and start with the second question. I i mean that is one of the things that the film doesn't incredible job of showing how committed the fbi is to disrupting the black panther party and what a political priority was for the fbi in the united states. Federal government and this is not a surprise when you look at the history of the fbi history disruption and surveillance when it comes to the nation of islam malcolm x. or martin luther king and his colleague so it fits right in the tradition of that time with respect to the energy and the intensity with the fbi approach the civil rights as civil rights movement as a national security issue on the education piece. I think it's a. It's a great point because one of the initial priorities of the black panther party when they were founded was education the education of black folks in particular. Because the founders. Bobby seale you. Newton understood that they couldn't really carve out a path through revolution without self-knowledge i and it's important that we see that emphasis in education reflected not only in other movements that would advance similar goals but also in our national programme of education. Because if we're going to learn from this and really leverage the successes and there are so many successes of this movement the commitment to public health for example the free breakfast program for example that have been co opted in some ways by government institutions. We have to really understand the educational piece and we can't avoid looking at the severe criticisms and whitewashed the history. So that that's interesting. And and i think it goes back to our first caller to Producer parasol soon. And i were talking this morning as we were getting ready to to speak with you and we were talking about the fact that this is a movie that tells this story tells it in a way. That probably wouldn't have even gotten made five years ago especially the level of criticism about the government And this the presentation of the way in which the black panthers in chicago were fulfilling pieces of. Social contract liked breakfast program. What i mean at one level. This seems obvious. Let's engage with it. What has changed that. This is the story. Were telling this way for the first time really. Now it's a good point. I think the obvious answer here is the black lives matter movement and the recognition. That if we don't uproots these problems which are historically rooted problems and understand them in all of their historical complexity and rudeness. We're never really gonna get to a place where we have justice in america. So i think that the black lives matter movement continues to lay bare some of the disparities inequities and injustices and that kind of laid the ground seated the ground for projects like this to maybe reach audiences that they hadn't before and still if you watch this film and you know a little bit more about the history you're gonna feel like this is just a very small appetizer to what is much deeper and longer story of the black panther party. I i mean you get some of the history of the party and their accomplishments and priorities in the movie but really it's a movie about these two central characters so one of my great hopes is that people of course relish the performances of stanford and columbia. But that they take this opportunity to find out more. I know the producers of the film who produced materials and other such things that will encourage that educational piece just as much as the entertainment piece and i do want to stay with the educational piece but i also do want to underscore what you just said which is the performances by columbia and lakeith stanfield are incredible as is the performance by dominique fischbach. Who plays deborah johnson. Now known as a coup. And jerry was fred hampton's then fiance so there is a huge entertainment dimension to this film as well. But there's a lot that we learn and michael one of the things that really struck me is the way the film towns of of how hampton built coalitions so it depicts the rainbow coalition specifically the film features the young patriots who were white the young lords who reporter regan and then they have in the film of fictionalized gang called the crown's seems they were meant to represent maybe a a number of black gangs and black organized groups they groups who might normally mistrust each other. But who's shared distrust of the police of government brought them together. Here's a little sound where fred thompson is addressing a meeting. Actually of the young patriots. We oppressed people for a long time. Press am i foxcroft poor sharecroppers. Okay the hovis. It would oversee a band with the sleaze demands. We might not be any spunky bet. Y'all baby's getting the same education y'all paying the same task to get his deemed by the same. Hey neta tree and of course. It's fred hampton. Not fred thompson. Sorry about that. But so there we go that coalition building is a really interesting dimension of the story. I mean one of the things. That at hampton famously said was. We're not gonna fight racism racism. We're going to fight racism with solidarity. And that's the kind of solidarity that he was speaking about a cross racial cross ethnic solidarity the rainbow coalition. That that he describes exactly that. And i think it also points to weekend when you look at the history of the party. What became a serious ideological debate within the black panther party hasn't matured and that is how much to foreground racial identity and racial pride and how much foreground some of the economic dimensions of political struggle and the necessity of cross racial solidarity as a means to advance the status of working people in poor people. Globally i mean this became a real point of contention as the party matured into the nineteen seventies and one. That many folks said prevented it from Living and beyond the nineteen eighties when it was ultimately dissolved. I wanna grab a call here from hannah in newton. Hannah go ahead. Hi thank you so much for taking my call I just wanted to say that. I'm a white woman who grew up in chicago was around. At that time it was very upsetting time to be a teenager but i grew up in an integrated neighborhood and we thought the world of the black panthers and that they were going to really help transform america and i was personally just devastated when that happened the assassination. You mean yes. Thanks for the thanks. Thanks for that. Call hannah michael organization. That was that was making change. That was doing organizing work on the ground that was working on education on food etc. What are the parallels to social movements that you see today and so. Where are you seeing. Sort of the building on the legacy of the black panthers who of course and i want to. I want to acknowledge this again. At least the story that white people have been told since since that time is a very different story about the black panthers. No question i. I'm gonna start with that last point because the caller mentioned she was from chicago and the story that was told about the panthers at the time after the assassination occurred. The way that it was reported in. The press was very different from the way that the events actually transpired was portrayed almost as a gunfight between the panthers and the police and when you learn the history you understand. it really wasn't a gun fight at all. It was an assault by the police on the house. Where these folks were staying. And that's the way the film portrays it so so the kind of The poor teaching is intentional. It's framed in a certain in a certain way. And then you asked about the legacy in the ways that these teachings might continue. I think we see it. First and foremost in some of the ideas in the film and and the priorities of the black lives matter movement. The ways that they understand police violence. Not as an anomaly of the american condition but as part and parcel of american politics and the american project of controlling black bodies black labor This is something that the black lives matter. Movement has laid bare and made quite clear to all those who want to seriously engage with that police. Violence is not. This is not a single issue. This is tied to the entire institutional structure of the country. Right so so i think. That's maybe that's one thing. The second thing is some of the lessons about the potential weaknesses of the black panther party weaknesses with respect to gender politics. Which aren't really portrayed in the film but we know from the testimony of women who were involved in the black panther party that was not necessarily a a great place to be an activist. If you're a woman including lane brown holds and we became a chairperson in california has said things along these lines. I think one of the great contributions of the black lives matter movement is is that a push gender and sexuality to the forefront of the black liberation struggle in ways that some of the movements of the mid twentieth century really had a so with that in mind. What do you hope that today's activists. Today's revolutionaries to to borrow the term from ethan zuckerman in the last segment. Even today's insurrection. In the way he was using the term. What do you hope they would take away from this film. And the this this story. A fred hampton and the black panthers well. I think it's an interesting case. I mean the film and the story are two different things right the film. I think they're going to see a lot about the power of charisma for example the commitment to solidarity the unglamorous work a very early activists work where they're sharing apartments and small houses. And there's no political celebrity at the very beginning of fred hampton's career but he rises so quickly and there's a lot of unglamorous work that goes into that rise so i think they're gonna take little nuggets from the film but of course the history is so much deeper than just the film and they're going to have to work in a context. That's radically different. But i think the turn toward understanding these problems as global in nature which was really a key point that the black panthers embraced as their organization developed is something that we've already seen happened with the black lives matter movement and you look at the images that we saw in europe in asia in south america during the black lives matter protests during the summer when we had one hundred consecutive days of protests in portland oregon and other cities you had people filling the streets in places across on the other side of the world germany for example so i think the global reach is a lesson that i would hope. Contemporary activists take from from this historical period. And the most important thing is. I think we have to understand that fred. Hinton was twenty one years old when he was killed. So it's not really for those of us who from an older generation to tell younger activists. How carved the path we have to let them build their own tools in their own practices and trust their leadership and their vision all right. That is michael jeffries. Dean of academic affairs and professor of american studies at wellesley. Thank you thank you.

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The Black Panthers in the Current Era - Prof. Jamal Joseph, Samaria Graham, Dr. Gin Love Thompson

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The Black Panthers in the Current Era - Prof. Jamal Joseph, Samaria Graham, Dr. Gin Love Thompson

"This is Dr Jen Love Thompson, and I welcome you to the Akron for stations series along with a special co hosts tonight, actors and activists the Mario Grants. So, Mario Start and TV and film including reoccurring roles. On NBC, series Providence and Blossom. She appeared in Martin, Lawrence's major motion down nothing to lose the CBS mini series shake rattle and roll along with numerous other guest star, appearances and she. She is also a gifted singer and featured performer on the album based on the poetry of two pox four, the rose that grew from concrete. Some you and I are honored to share with you a conversation with Professor Jamal Joseph a member of the original Black Panther, party and author of cancer baby his memoir. Jamal is a writer director producer poet, the ultimate activist and educator he serves as the professor over Columbia University's graduate. Film. program. Professor Joseph is the CO founder and Artistic Director Those impacts the Harlem based Ucla to company and executive, director of new heritage films a non for profit organization that provides training and For minorities filmmakers. There are many other accolades and awards we could name. Demain is also known as to proxy, Cores Godfather and authored the book. To pock she core legacy. Demain along with the finish your court was part of the panthers. Twenty. One. The trial eventually collapsed and all the twenty one members were, what'd of all charges and nineteen seventy-one? Legend in his own right it is an honor and a privilege to welcome Professor Jamal. Joseph, to the conversation. Welcome tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So Great Mario. lemieux. Force a miss you I. Love You. Dr Jenny. Thank you for all that you do, and there's a real honor and real really high pleasure to be on your soldier. Well, thank you. So here we go. I want to jump right in I want to get to I want to get to the good stuff you know I'm the one of the things that I love. That I read. Is that while you were in prison and we'll get to that in a minute and how that came about you wrote poetry and plays and use that time to get to the super three degrees during that period. Two. degrees. From University of Kansas in sociology and psychology. So where I was I'm saying that and I'm bringing that up before we speak about how you arrive there because I that is just especially vital. Aspect of the series of who you are. So, vicious panther baby that came out and twenty twelve wasn't it? And, one of my favorite stories I'm GonNa ask you to retailer to me again is a how when you first came to the panthers. The Black Panthers you were fifteen. And you were ready to get a gun. But you receive something else instead and what was bad. So the context that story and it is in my memoir antibody. Is that Dr King was assassinated. and his death radicalized a lot of young black people. Had Been. active in the end of Lacey Pe- you council. I was a church boy member of Trinity Baptist Church. Went to a community center in how and pull the menacing townhouse I was part of clubs and organizations there and I was that. You know that kid who was on track to get scholarships and Go to college and you know people want me to become a lawyer I wanted to be a lawyer. Doctor. King. Got Killed. I. Got Really Angry. And I Winter on twenty th street on my way home I lived in the Bronx. And got caught up on the fringes of the riot and you know got thrown around by some cops chased by some cops and then rescued by a group of militants man who stood between. Me and the police and made them back off and told me to go straight home because it was. It's don't give these crops in excuse to kill you 'cause that's what they're trying to do with black folk out. The next day I was in school and having lunch with my friends. My two best friends one was still who is black and the other words Paul who's the White Kid Jewish kid and I announced that I eddie. Joseph had taken the name Jamal was going to be a threat militant now wasn't fully show what the word was, but they were these militants. Who who would be on television I, still recall Michael talking about our and h rap Brown and my friend Paul said Eddie. I don't know if you could announce that you're going to be a militant like it's a career choice could be doctor or lawyer that was like, no, you don't get it. You Watch right. So the the fall as much the myself had defined the most militant group on the scene and that night I billy night was the clip about the Black Panther party patrolling the streets of Oakland California Labor code guns and berets storming the state capital Sacramento in California when they were trying to change the gun control laws and depends said that was to disarm them and other black people. So we went to the Panthers Office, I wrote out there with two friends who are older than I was and We want none of us really sure what we're getting into. We just know that we found interesting I wanted to get your fifteen point. Fifteen this time I'm on a student and so and one of my friends says man you know you're gonNA have to prove yourself to be a panther. To kill a right to and and how to my son Jose killer. White. Dude I'm sure it's quiet but I couldn't hear punk in front of my voice. You know my other friend was like now I'm getting straight you ain't gotTA kill away. Do you gotTa kill like top and you gotta bring in his badge and gun and I'm like what but again? I could be a punk in front of my boys. So my heart is pounding. We. Find the Tampa office is that cool Black Panther logo on outside. We walk into the office and Hampton brothers and sisters there looking so cool with the Afros and their leather code. I see but I wanNA. PUT IT in context they will older to me I was fifteen but they were Nineteen twenty twenty one. That's what the face of the moving look like. And the person running the meeting is explaining the Panther Trim. Point Program. and. If you look it up online, it talks about housing talks about education and talk about healthcare. It talks about a trial by jury of our peers do is point number seven about an end to police brutality? Up nothing in there about telling the white guy bringing cop's badge or gut. Yeah. But in the middle of this action up and I'm like choosing these on me I turn away you right now and he calls me up. Front. And he's Sitting at this old wooden desk and he reaches into the bottom drawer of the desk. My heart is pounding I think he's GonNa give me big gun with a Panther logo on it and he hands me a stack of books. Autobiography of Malcolm X. Sold on ice by eldridge cleaver rescued by fence tonight. And I'm confused now and so excuse me so. Army he says excuse me brother I just do. And as more of my feet and Walking back to my seat, this is. Kind of real important. he says, you know I wanna ask you a question since you came in here. So mad wife. Oh. If. All of these times that in the community. That are brutalizing people beating people up locking people up shooting people down. They were black. And, all of the people being arrested and killed were white. Of. All of these store owners. These catalysts that are ripping communities your. High prices spoil vegetables right me. They were black and everybody being ripped off and exploit. It was like all of these jobs lying fascists politician. If all of them were black and all the exploited or oppressed people were white. Would that make things Greg. I thought for a second I said, well, no. So it seems like we're still be wrong and he said that's right. Your brother. This is a PLA- s- struggle with human rights, not just the race struggle for civil rights. Those books so you know what Real Lucien is about. Okay, okay and so powerful. Yeah and how many times do you hear that story and for the people that are hearing it for the first time? How blessed are you hear it? Especially in reflection where we are now, that story gives such a clear representation of what the heart of the panthers truly were because there's so many misconceptions as to what the panthers before. I. WanNa. Ask You when you were that fifteen year old. Do You And You just found out the Dr King. Who I have to say is one of my has throughout my life been one of my greatest teachers. And to this day remain. When you were when that happened at that moment, can you express? What you were feeling With. Greece. And tremendous anger. I think you know the You, know the the heart. The heart for Black America. Were broken. and there was a sense of dismay that if the. Prince of peace. I champion suggestions could be gunned down would hope. WAS A. Hope was there for the country? especially especially at fifteen, only three years prior knock a message in a fascinating. There's a connection with the death of The death of of of Malcolm, X.. And what I was told that I ate and the Panther Office. See. The greening of the panthers were all power to the people. Remember we come out of A. Era of civil rights where people were talking about we shall overcome. and that was overcoming oppression. Poverty. Racism. and. Rome that evolved the black power movement. The leaders of the Black Power Movement. Had Been in the civil rights movement. Sophie. Card Michael was a member of snakes. The organizations that John Lewis. Who passed away a few weeks ago founded? And then became the chair snake. And change the name to from the student nonviolent Coordinating Committee. To the National Coordinating Committee and started talking about black power. And the movement started. Embracing the teachings of Malcolm. X.. and not turning the other cheek. and talking about self defense. So it evolves from, we shall overcome black power. From victimhood to debts that we're not gonNA take it anymore, which is one of the steps toward being victim is like you won't continue to victimize me. And then the panthers started saying all powers of the people. So you go to panther rally and a great pamper leader like a Fred Hampton or Bobby Seale or in New York, city of famous or call would say all power to the people. And then we would always break it down and we will say that means black pile for black people but white powerful white people round powerful Brown people. For people yellow crowds, yellow people at X. Power to. to everyone everyone else. and. You might say, well, what do you mean why people they have power? But. The majority of white people up four and struggling they're more white people than in now on welfare than black people. And the same capitalist system. Everyone's struggling. So the panthers began to talk about class struggle began understand that the oppression of black people. Wasn't just based on white people hating black people. It was an economic system that profited a small ruling class. Slavery was a business. Pulse Slavery Life People Working in service industries in working You know you know menial jobs and doing backbreaking work for no money. The continuation of slavery there were people who were. Enslaved in theory, but they became sharecroppers working the same land that they had been on for generations to no money and then just evolved into mass incarceration. which is a modern day plantation business make billions and billions of dollars begins critique capitalism. and that racism is a byproduct is in fact the ideology because if you keep poor people divided. And thinking that their problems because you know you know poor white people. Hey, brass people and there's a problem and black people and white people hating Latino People Mexican people there. The problem it's Chinese people come knowing that saying the wheel picture in the real exploitation. I want to show you how what I mean. They're just connected. Martin Luther King. led. The Civil Rights Movement for fifteen years and his fight was for social justice. The right to vote desegregation. In nineteen, sixty, seven, he gives a great speech. As great as the I have a speech at Riverside Church New York. And he shoots the he was of America. And they're connected and they functioned together and he says the Eagles are poverty, racism and militarism. Poverty Racism and war. These are the ingredients a fascism. He began to denounce the war and Vietnam War capitalist exploitation not just the war that was morally wrong when he began to talk about class struggle began to talk about linking up. The struggle of poverty with civil rights, merging these two struggles, creating these alliances that king was dead within a year of that speech. Malcolm. X. said the white man is the devil. For the when he was a leader of the nation of Islam. Leaves. The. Nation of Islam he comes back from Mecca and he says I no longer believe the white man is the devil. because I have made prayer and pilgrimage Muslim school right who Asian boost Latino. But further than that, now can begin to speak about capitalism and the capitalist system of exploitation, and he starts to talk about class struggle and he's dead within a year. When the Black Panther Party about when Black Panther Party started talking about. Socialist Revolution. Not Fixing the system because the system is not broken. Wasn't broken. It's not broken now. The system is doing exactly what is designed to do, right? Yeah. What is supposed to? We're talking about dismantling and creating a new system, and that's when the the government and the FBI in the form of of Jay who was counterintelligence program attacked and destroyed the Black Panther party because when you talk about that Kinda struggle the way spread Hampton when he created the original Rainbow Coalition in Chicago Fred Hampton. Breeds like Pampa leader in order to who was murdered in his bed is twenty one. When you talk about that, Rainbow Struggle and people understand their struggles that connected struggles of workers struggles minute struggles against police brutality. For health struggles for justice in the course, there's struggles of immigation of immigration struggles choice struggles for the Lgbtq community when people understand that they're fighting a common enemy and that these fronts battlefronts of the same fighting the same enemy and you create a united front that for strategy that can win and match when the government will come down with every force imaginable using the courts to legally lynch you using to the police to Lynch you. Whether it's GonNa you down while you're jogging ex police are racist or whether it's putting the your neck and so you and so you can't read or choking Aragona that that's what we're up against. But that's the moment we need to be it. That's what the panthers were doing when the government came after and we were building a united front against fascism and in this moment of. Black lives matter the lesson from the Black Panther Party besides the breakfast program, which is how you spent by the way your day is a panthers you've got up in the morning was serving the people in the community eating breakfast, Detroit, free breakfast program it was a free health clinic educate. The breakfast program is the model for all the fleet breakfast and lunch programs we have in the country. Free Health Clinics, other models, war community health organizations. Tennis program all the models for community. Housing. The work that we did with workers in the united front work. That was how you spent the day because we understood that yes we'll have guns for self defense that there will be struggle one day. But as you Organiz people around their needs because when you talk about freedom and liberation injustice feed into someone who stomach is growling because they have the need the meal. Justice is someone who has no place to live as a warm dry safe place to sleep. So and and and Liberation to someone who doesn't have health care is being able to get treated for sickle cell offer asthma offer lead lead poisoning. So that's how you create a united front and that's how you organize people in the community around the knee, and then you clean out the country's edition of the richest men in the world denying people their basic rights and they're basically. Know. Jamal's listening to. I have to tell you my late twenties. I'm when I learned about the the breakfast? program. That's what you Roomie to learn more about the Black Panther party because I that's not you know something I've never heard before I didn't know about it and the more I studied in more I research Black Panther Party, the more I know and understand. The integrity but it's not instilling that you and that I really had full true appreciation for the Panther Party and I wanNA. Bring this up is speaking of. All of this. You know it's not the term as a term that they loved it there around the Stugotz. That's not what they see on those. White people I feel fear most is the entity of. And they're mentally distorted consciousness, I'll say I. You know whether it be subconscious conscious they're both. What they think? Most Armed black man well armed and having control of his mind has. Educated specially educated well, armed with knowledge and wisdom. And well armed with weapons as well to protect yourself in family. So. I would really appreciate you would take a moment and some Aria I was speaking before before this call and we were discussing the fact that for people who don't know about the Black Panther Party and you don't understand what they truly stick for. They see it and I think not just like people to believe this. I. Think I think that you know I think that there's there's other folks please this as well. They see. It as in the same realm boils my blood even think about this thing said, but it said the KKK some and I were saying you know the case is a is is hunting down people and the Black Panther Party is protecting people from that and doing this community education and work and people do not people just truly don't have that information. So everything you're saying right now to educate to educate people that aware. Is Everything the biggest misconceptions of the Black Panther Party give them great information. But if you had like two minutes to say something to someone about what you still the biggest miss communication and understanding the Black Panther Party is what would you say? To that. Well, it's a it's a capsulated in the story, and that's why I like to tell the story of my first day. In the panthers. Office because within minutes in moments. The the. My to just misconceptions about depends on quality went to spell. One one one was that. The panthers were a an ultra violent group that just wanted to hurt you kill people White people. And to was that, the Black Panther party hated white people that it was a a racist hate organization. and I got books instead of a gun and I got a lesson that. If black people on top and white people were on the bottom. It would still be wrong and we would have to fight that system that no one is free until everyone is free race gender choice preference. That's what real liberation looks like everyone is is free from oppression. And that everyone. Has An alienable right and the guaranteed right to boo clothing shelter. Read them. Justice. Healthcare. And that our society has a duty to provide that. Any food civilization is sees it as its first has and I. I've predation to make sure that everyone. is is cared for is safe and has you. To live their best life you know we we like to say that is that you know living. Living best like and to that end, that's the work that she did. And the best compliment that you could get in the panthers was that Russell sister is a servant of the people if you ask anyone any pants fashion. what we were taught to believe as they foundational principle. was value we would to have. A above and beyond all the values I guarantee you they will answer the question the same way and we studied we studied the ten point program or read books and we were you know a organization. It's really believed that education political education in theory but theory matter married with practice everyone will answer it the same way. They will say we were taught to have an undying love for the people guaranteed as any panzer. They will say that or they say we were sought to love people and serve the people mind body spirit, and so when I was walking to my seat. Again this very first day in. Office, it was pictures revolutionaries along the war. As you might imagine, you newsmen Bobby Seale who would have found us as a Black Panther party bobby Hutton who was seventeen years old fifteen when he joined seventeen when the police shot him in the back and then it said Bobby Hutton I to join first and then there's a poster of Che Guevara. The Great Cuban revolutionary. Leader of the kids revolutionary whose whose Argentinian whose doctor but and there's this great quote and it was from a speech that chain as United Nations after the Big Cuban Revolution in the quote is at the risk of sounding. US. Let me say the revolutionaries the guy by great feelings of love. Ask the and I watched it and I was like is this word love I mean the pants office but I've heard this when I would go with grandma uni. To Church. About love I heard just in the ended up Lacey Pe- why this word? Well, I true liberation struggle. that. Is just struggle is motivated by love and when you've added by that then ideologically but also instinctually you do the right thing in the struggle in the right thing by and for the people you'll struggling for. Yeah. Absolutely. But I thought that was coming to me when I was speaking with. You and your naming the ages of these people who are leading. This. You know this revolutionary consciousness it's just all inducing. I was reading last night and the an familiar with the ten point plan twenty six rules and discipline a discipline that I would like be on that some. But before I ask you to I, you know because as you were saying when here, what you also have to say about the times we're in now these militia groups coming up and we have. The you know the necessity of the organization. I'm to be there and how you're how you're doing that how to Black Panther Party veterans doing that but I read last night and open letter. From original Black Panther, party members to black hip hop artists who have an interest in our community. I read the article and I just it was written with such love. So I, would just like for you to speak on. Yeah. Absolutely the letter is was written by by a group of us. You veteran panthers including Sekou Ginga through over Andrew Ben. Wahad who are members of the Panthers Twenty One, the case that went to prison for the first time a Finnish records bombers was also a member of the Panthers Twenty One. And it was to. To reach out to. Office and you know successful black men and women in the entertainment industry to get them to reflect on this moment and to see that they could use this celebrity in this success to help turn this moment into a movement. But that can't be done without some of the historical context that we were talking. We didn't get here by accident that there is a system of oppression that fascism fascism is the combination of of of not arisen capitalism and racism. that's Mussolini. Did Italy the economy got better as other people got exploited. It was about being as high in, and if you would not Italian, you were the enemy. And in fascist Italy mostly targeted other retires were communists and he said they're not true Italian. And they were interred in concentration cans and they will vilified and. And they were murdered. Hitler was a student of Mussolini. Not the other way around. And so that's what he did. Beat German economy thrive as they went to war. And it was about being area and being German the targets became the Jewish people. and. So now we have different presidents throughout history who of us. who use that fascist model Nixon, with his campaign of law and order the law and order you know to go to your point earlier. That that the the criminal element, the way to rally white people has been around fear of the black man here of the black body. Right just this. This is someone who wants to kill you. This is someone who wants to raise your women just as the one that's doing Chroma Austin. CYSTIC show that the there are more arrests. In. Black and poor communities because more concert. and. There's a number white police officers was hey, you that it was the same number of police giving the same instructions in white communities those would be equal or greater. But that is not just. You know someone trying to keep society say that is part of the ideology of fear that makes capitalism and fascism work have to have an enemy You have to justify everything that the ruling class does to make itself stronger in the name of protecting it, and then you need to use police in military to enforce your power and what better example we have a vast and Donald trump in the way that he is. In. Support of the militarization of police in the way that he has turned federal troops on citizen and ways that we have not seen since students were Murray murder can say white students protesting against the war in Vietnam and soups was saying into the inner city to well, the rebellions that happen you know across the of course, the country and the absolute hatred for anyone that is a non white American and especially non white American man and he's rallied that same kind of irrational fervor that Mussolini had with in man and that Hitler had with German. Then they would be acting that some says arm themselves drink bleach. Right, run around without masks anything that he says, that is dangerous dangerous stay for passes and. What is the way to fight it? It is a united front against fascism. We understand that it was all miseration. Do people need to be armed for the purposes of self defense they do but the true? Danger. or the weapon a revolutionary change isn't armed mind. Conscious. Mind a minded understands with through liberation is in terms of who you really fighting and what you need to do in terms of building a united front and that's like it would not by interstate alone that we're in the spicy together and that's what's so encouraging about what what's happened in this moment the way. People write brothers and sisters. Left. Their homes in the midst of a pandemic that said, you should not leave home to put their bodies on the line to cry out for justice and that's what I learned was saying is that the next step is to recognize fascism for what it is and to do with the panthers were doing do Dr King was doing to do with Malcolm X. was doing at the time that they were killed and precisely for why they would kill is to turn this into a united front against bashes does them all like you said, you receive education in the form of psychology? Is that one of the? Was Yeah yes. I. Was you sociologist? and. Tomorrow I. Know. As far as The psychology part. How did how have you? Interpreted what's going on and what was going on well. When I got is degrees smari I thought you know I was in prison I was finishing up a fairly long sentence. And I thought that I would continue to go to school. When I was released and get A. Psychology and then continue to study. You know I'm a blackout in in the martial arts and continue to study. Acupuncture, and has this holistic practice way I was dealing with trauma right that that. Just you know we you know we now recognize that PTSD exists in our community and all forms not just of you've been to war but that you know that it is the pse of. Police brutality poverty in going up in areas where gangs have being formed because the kids. Feel that we have to protect ourselves both from the released from the Games right because then you know trying to is by violence. And quite honestly what happened while I was imprisoned. is on Saturdays they bring a movie and you know we WANNA get out, get out of ourselves and we'd be in the auditorium and. They would be. You maybe three months old or six months old. But guys would be sitting there. In Iraq attention of the movie. Now, it was like Magic Johnson they'd be talking back to the screen and doing the whole thing and these guys would be ruled and funny and the whole thing. But I saw the power of still and Samaria quite frankly I said Jamal. and then some theater before it was pack part of the Black Arts. Movement right and I said Jim. Mom. You can get out and you can go to school for another you know four years and so you can. Mess one person's mind at a time or he'll one mind at a time I said, no, you can learn how to make these movies and do these places and mess with a whole bunch of people at once. And that was really. How I thought I thought that culture could be a weapon and why began to write plays informed the company and came out and really studied film and theater at always use that I wanted to be an artist and smart. You know from my days together you know at the city kids foundation I work beyond that that when you combine an art of this and an activist. And an artist, you have an artist. So what does the lesson taught me about five right? Yeah and he told me that Tom and the person. Oh. Thank you and told me their trauma and the and the pressure wants just the providence of. Middle class upper middle class people and rich people who could who could afford to pay you know a fifty dollars now seventy five dollars an hour three, hundred dollars an hour or two therapists but it was the providence of whole communities I studied from France Benign. listeners is was a black doctor say hijras. Who became a revolutionary because as he practiced psychiatry in Algeria and other parts of Africa and in Martinique and all of that he saw the trauma of oppression grading wheel mental health issues. In people directly connected to colonialism and that's the way to fully for people truly heal themselves was not just counseling certainly, not just medication, but it'd be an active participant in their own the gration. Here's a really important point I'd like to make one of the greatest lessons of organizing I learned from a pain in Chicago who was my mentor was my big sister who took me under her wing from the first day that I walked into the Black Panther office. It was this idea that we were serving the people but also teaching the people, and if any of this, she said the goal of Panther Party is not going to be to make every man woman and child lamented the Black Panther Party. Goal of Black Panther Party is to teach the people the possibilities of struggling liberation by examples and to educate them. And so that their participants in their own liberation, and if we really do our jobs as panthers and I say this all organizers, then you make yourself obsolete. Duty of an organizers put themselves out of business because the people become revolution. They become the leaders they become a liberal and you'll part of bad mass of love in the Bush mentioning a Phoenician core you re to talks Godfather, and those are the other stories and when to get into the voting as well on the issue was voting or when I want to hear from you on that and this election but can you just? You know the pasta ice I fell in. Love with was before soon. became huge. There was like underground that you would hear. His music before he was famous, but there was a poetry. And you know everyone's seen the the videos when he was seventeen and. The wisdom that he had the insight that he had I, don't know if you had an opportunity to read the email the one that I wrote in that I probably spend my book sunrises at midnight that's honoring to PA. But tell us about that too pox that you knew that you meant for and that you loved that the sides of the him and the parts of him that he's not. Known for. Your. Opponent dutiful by the way maybe you'll grace. Grace the audience with that as close because you catches him so well in their home so he was he was. Absolutely. He he was to first and Foremost Panther Cub. I've written a book about pot call to pop legacy and saying. Oh thank you and the opening line of the books to park was in prison while he was still in the womb because if any was pregnant with and then thrown back in jail on the Panthers Twenty, one case and he came out fighting and he came out a warrior and he was always. That kid who was curious schools brilliant. Who went to rallies with his mother who was by her side when she was working at south around. Legal Services just how legal who fought for women's rights who for political prisoners obtained never stopped? Struggling in to park was there to get in trouble and if any would give him a spanking, she would give him the New York Times and he'd have to read an article and write. An Essay about that. How he punishment finish it, it doesn't make any sense to me to be a to be a black fund in a society that. Black men. Right, so she wanted to use bad. Discipline. You know not to put calluses on his ass, but to strengthen his mind. Because as we've been saying throughout our conversation, this evening, that is the best weapon that you can have is an armed. Black mine arm human mind you know real consciousness. So. Always talented always that, and that's a lesson in terms of you know even if he became more famous and even as he wanted to comment on everything. So that's why you could get. a dear Mama and. Baby to you know from the same artist was doing stuff like I get around me and my girlfriend which was about you know how much she was in love with his pistols you know. And he was that he was that Europe has generation that could channel and honest way and it's why people to this day I mean I have the there. There are people who I run into who to fans who want born. When supertalk was killed? Who Know his songs relate to him, who seemed to pockets that hero because he speaks truth to power in so many ways, but he really understood the issues to popper was. Very, political very conscious and he went through his period you know it was the East Coast West Coast Lists But had to park mapping killed oriented moved away from death row. He's GonNa Create. His company histone production company had a model for you centers across the country. He had a way that artists will be involved in directly giving us. The greatest leaders we have now if he were alive. There would be no doubt about it. You know and other still respond to that. I. Think it's part of what gets us to sit down with certain people. They know that we represent that lay I wanna go back to the panther lettuce just for a second because I really WanNa. Give a shout out to to Ti and to kill my enter. Ludicrous. Who responded to the letter who mentos or working with us to implement? some of the changes and to spread some of the word that we put a put out in that letter. So it was an open letter and they stopped us we didn't have to track them down just to say, we want to save what you veterans and he was. You have to say WanNa learn in this moment, and we want to deepen our commitment to struggle from the barechested this moment I want to just say one thing I, mean, there's so many things that being in. The orbit of. Mall Joseph has blessed me with giving. Me Is just just been like I can't. Even I can't even put the words to it but One thing that happened is we we had already been working together. I met him. Oh, back it up. I met him. More for people who don't know because on my say. At, the beginning that you are an accomplished actress. Meaning TV film you are. Oh Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. I WANNA make that I'll be and everything. Like that. Yeah. So So on this. Very, consciously, by the way tomorrow I'm sorry to cut you off but people need to know. And and Talking about park. up Meinie asked me to help turn to spoken word into an album. Set to music inviting different artists. It and scenario is a key part of that album coming in helping with vocal arrangements hanging on the album reading poetry the album getting guest artists to come in she's a key key. Member of the creative team that created the rose the grew from concrete album based on two parts book of poetry. She's a bad. He's a bad. And and that is one of the things anytime that comes up my heart just 'cause I 'cause I truly love to talk and. She actually is going she before started to keep your comment a little bit more about that they just about you before I can. Read. The two poems that I had that I wrote the rose before I even had. To me, there was no one to recite that for me other than she. But before I had even had an opportunity to ask her she said I'll do it undoing it, and that was just a precious and I'm have to do it and that's a good and we're fine with that. But Nikki Great Nikki Giovanni who I've also had the opportunity you spend a couple of days listen in years past she receives credit for for that but the all of all of the local sector hearing before Nikki Giovanni reciting and that's Awesome Maria when you listen to the tracks so so now From. Want people to know that. Very well, I'll just thank you. So I just graduated from college when I'm Jamal Joseph. And I was on dishing. And that was Jamal you WanNa i WanNa hear your version of that audition. And then I'll go on with what I would tell. The. Remember when I'll just for you. Peru. For the. High. Yeah. Yeah and he told me I was too light skin. Go ahead tell Jamaa Mario. Away, with a tower I. Put you on. Nobody's to and she probably I think she's still says it's the craziest call she ever got. Director call her to say these words exactly that you were hands down the most talented actress who came in and auditioned for the role and then she killed it but you were to life for the role but I wanna work with you want to stay in touch with you because you're amazing and that was the beginning about relationship, our friendship or membership. And totally was my mother loves you from that day she was like, what time is it? He's only. Look like. Okay. So I I met him in in that way. But one of the most beautiful things that I was able to do is just sit I just remember being in your apartment with your wonderful wife Joyce. And your children were little Munchkins at the time. Listening to you sell stories and looking at the pictures of you. But when you were younger and when you were in a, you know when you were when you were panther a younger. Probably that fifteen seventeen somewhere else you know somewhere in that. and seeing that. That was amazing. Just hearing your stories that was fantastic and one of the things. Somewhere in the journey, you've taught me about. Going protests and what happened that protest And so when I went to the Rodney King participated in the Rodney King protest in New York. You had alerted me that sometimes police are the ones who start the riot and I had. kidnapped. My boyfriend at the time Harold Perrineau. Remember how To, do. Yeah I have him, and then he and I went. And the person who was in front of me went on when the light change and once we got back together the group got. Together. For some reason, the police officer, they were all on motorcycles they ran over the the the guys lakes and made him fall over. The Guy who was directly in front of me so it would have been me if the light hadn't changed what I feel. and so I thought I'd say I'm going home right now. Only. Because I I don't have the ability to fight back I didn't have any. To not fight back, I wasn't going to be the one who would be like Oh. Okay. All right and he said everything's Okay and I said, okay well, I'm GonNa, go home. And he called me back later. told me he had got hit in his head with the billy clubs. Police officer. Executor's on payroll. The fact that you gave us I don't know who it was just me I can't remember if it was one of the Times at city kids or is one of the Times while I was just absorbing everything that you were saying when I was visiting you. But you did give tools in order to be able to be part of a movement as well. And I appreciate that because some elders. Don't do that. They almost feel there's either a fear or complacency not sure which one it is. But you did empower me to be able to stand and walk and go and be present. And then also be aware and cautious at the same time and I appreciate that. So I I don't know if I've ever said that but I really needed to hear that. Thank you so much. This is received with with I. Love It. Thank you so why? The series that I'm doing the impetus of it is that we have ninety days before the election trump is already being trump. He's already pulling you know all of these stunts. To save their stunts, makes it sound less dangerous though he is once again as I've said, if four to say democracy is that. Rest is like comparing a matched to an atomic bomb he is so dangerous that there are not where it's what's even more dangerous than him are the ones that are listening to him and following him blindly. So voting, we have Angela Davis Angela Davis that is voting for Biden. And people are GonNa tell me that they're more revolutionary than Angela Davis I have a real problem that. So can you talk to us about the necessity for everyone votes and remove trump the anyone who doesn't vote? is a vote for trump. Just speak on on where we are why it's so dire now and your take on that. Yeah I I really. Think you laid it out beautifully. and. You know the the Black Panther Party was involved in voting and getting people registered to vote. Even as the height of the Black Panther, party even as we were saying that the capitalist system has to be dismantled that is corrupt that it's only GonNa do when it's still to do which is why Obama can only do so much When you're the the the engineer of a train, you can only go. Where the track Soleil maybe you can speed it up maybe you can slow without that part is true. But Donald trump is a person who Because of his own sense of survival is on viciousness his. You know his sole interest is the survival of him and his immediate family will run that train straight off of a cliff with everybody on it. So. It's real important that we not get reelected. It's also important to understand that as you're getting out and you casting your presidential vote. against trump, you also get to empower these progressive young politicians. Who are running for office or running for reelection and that that changed on a local level can be powerful in terms of your community boards in terms of your congressional difference and in terms of demanding these politicians that they represent a progressive. Agenda in Washington DC, that's the pressure comes from. So you're a great story that Harry Belafonte told me who I'm I'm lucky to count mental. And it's the story of when eighth Brando. went to the White House and and and Roosevelt was president. And ACL Randall. Was a black man and one of the greatest labor leaders in history and most famously organize all of the poelman quarters the people who worked on the trains who serve the food turn the beds. This is before the airline Industry Americans have a by train, turn them into a powerful union. And he goes to the White House and Roosevelt gets his whole cabinet and he says I want you to listen to Mr. Is a very brief man and a great man and. A brand out lays out a powerful case for Labor emphasis, right? And after it was over President Roosevelt says. Missy. Randolph, you even more brilliant than I thought she would be and everything you said makes sense. Now I need you to get into the streets and make me do it. So that, getting out into the streets combined with voting is how real change happen? Yeah. This man trump. The occupant of the White House in terms of desperation and. Ignorance has shown you what he would do. He is nothing less than a mass murderer. This man has. Thousands ask people die. From the from covert ninety changed so that he could. Hang onto that racist days that he talked about that will follow him anywhere in hopes he can expand on that. So we've seen what he will do and you're absolutely right Angela. Davis was a lifelong revolutionary and communist who does not believe in capitalists. as voting for Biden I'm voting for Biden I'm urging everyone to get out and will importantly. You live in if you have relatives and friends and stay those swing states you've got to get them out to vote. Joe Biden is no prize. I will be the first to say, Joe Biden was part of that whole group of senators that under Bill Clinton. Made mass incarceration. The law of the land generations are black people that suffer from that but he has not Donald Trump who consciously murder people and he is someone in this atmosphere in terms of what people can do. The way rose though said, get on the streets and make me do it and what can happen congressionally they can be forced to do many good things you have to get out and vote I'll survival depends on this election. And we never stopped evolving and so and you know as far as bitings those beings vice president for the first black president of the United States I I just I feel I feel that we also need to while he may not be many people's first choice. As you said, oftentimes while I do feel like he's evolved I just you know it's about it's not always about who you want in office who who don't want in office only obviously trump just has to go we're not going to survive and. That's not being overly dramatic. That's being realistic and that's being factual. Our country will forever be changed in a way that we will not be able to get back to for for decades if ever, and what can we just we can't go there. So everyone I completely agree with you how important it is if you have a encourage others to vote and especially those people in swing states absolutely absolutely you have anything to say about that somewhere my yeah. Yeah. I've been actively working with David. Wilson. Brown here in North Carolina. He's a master if you would call them progressive, but he's very close to it. He's off for district five. He is someone who I. Totally support I've seen I've known him for about three years. Now I was running for Congress, I met him when I was running, I was running as an independent who was running as a Democrat and he was just dynamic. His heart is in the right place. and. If people in North Carolina come out and vote for David Wilson Brown and then up and down the ballot. I think we'll have exactly what we need. And yes we. Like them all set and like a lot of people say writing may not be the I don't you know the one that I voted for. Elizabeth Warren after to say I wanted a woman but anyway, I'm GonNa vote for a Biden. Of course, 'cause I can't see any more time in even think we should have I think that we should figure out how to get him out of office on Friday. Like. Maybe it's twenty four. Twenty four PM removed yeah. Yeah. So yeah being active being part of and if you if you can support a candidate by just helping making phone calls or doing, you know the small the smallest things it really helps get their names out. So you know the people who are listening if there's somebody that you believe in or somebody. That, you feel that you know where their platform will. Create the changes that you need to see and your community police support them. Don't just sit back and expect them to do it. It is challenging is time consuming. It's exhausting for run for office and they need as many volunteers and many people just speaking out for them. So please just be active we have to be active just like. When Obama President Obama was elected I. Think we dropped the ball a little bit and. Right. Now you don't have that option so. Present. And activated so that we can shift this. And we have to remain diligent for the entire ninety days. We cannot no matter what polls say because we know polls are not always accurate. No matter what it looks like or feels like you just do the work until the last moment to ensure that. This goal is not. vai By try. Okay. I just had to say that. Well, that's right. That's. How `Bout Five, five, five was using tomorrow director, vibe tribe. Okay, we need to do that. We do virtually come on. We could do that virtually we we should do the. Yeah we can. But we have Maliki Oba sometimes. We had a bunch of beautiful people, very likable art after Saudi, when what is now you told me about it to know what it is. It's a Diadema. It was I. WE described herself as they've has resume and news fats. So we did spoken word a little bit of jazz vocals a little bit of hip hop. You know it was a musical mash up and and we had a five track posse and sometimes we'd get on stage and the group would be six people. Sometimes, it'd be fifteen people and you know with was using vocals and poetry and hip hop spreading progressive news you know revolutionary anthems, pipe ballots, all of that. We just spoke through power throughout music. Okay. We we we calling it up. We're going to do. We're GONNA do over you and we'll call while you call me. I'm calling it up right. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Here's what here's what I'd like to do If it's OK in the student of really planning the by ties and getting back together again tomorrow I'm going to show up home and then whatever it it says to speak to you musically. Grabbing feel worse than that and just take us out vocally. You Ready Okay. Okay. So are you ready? Yes Here's the piece. The time has come for risks and revelations. For Way out just to inner space. Now to one truth is really ones and it must be a perspective that are fragmented. The journeys we make in search on blemish wilderness reveals that much of the rest is ally. And if love. It's to transform and to be transformed then creativity must be the child of a most perfect union. We may not have all the answers, but at least less attempt to understand the question. who troop build endeavors, the bill, large creative fires, or maybe just the plain, but nevertheless we're trying. More Pacific Union. Lease. Healthy. Because love is. Thing. And He. 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Episode 45: Black Panther

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Episode 45: Black Panther

"The most serial killers don't make any effort to involve media or best Gators. They're very secretive. They don't want attention. They almost want their crimes to go unnoticed, but the idea of committing a crime, and then calling up the police and bragging about it. That's a whole 'nother level of terror. A man who wore a mediaeval style executioner's hood who has baffled the police and baffled the media. He seems to crave publicity. He sent letters and Ramsden newspapers and police subject stated how ought to report a murder. No, a double murder. I did it. Here. We are fifty years to the first sodium killing in today's world, forensics old cases are being solved who doesn't wanna know. How turns out? From the creators of Atlanta monster come season two. This is monster vizo yet killer. Listen as subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app. Hello and welcome to other edition of nerd emphasis. I am one half of your host Danny Fernandez and sitting to the side of me this time. Anyway, how's everybody doing? I hope everyone's feeling good listening to this just chilled out on a good February mid February time of of day, if he w-, you know, we asked people to rate and review us on I tunes and people have been setting the screen shots. I have to say thank you so much for taking the time to do that. It really does bump up our numbers that helps other people see the podcast, and I don't know if you know this, but we have been featured on the front page of apple I think like three or four times, and this podcast isn't even a year old. Yeah. It'll lead soon though, it'll be soon. That's a big accomplishment. I think that's really cool. Yeah. Especially to have like two nerds of color on the front page. It's just holding it down. You know? Like, hey, how's it goin'? Yep. Yet. Are you doing look at these heads? I know it is just to heads of us. I love it today. We are covering Black Panther. We are covering everything that is to Challah how he came to be. The film the TV show in joining us. We have comic book writer, novelist screenwriter show runner a Black Panthers quest Jeff Thorne. Who's that guy? That is you. I didn't even name all the things you did also actor that's dead. Tweeter. Extraordinaire. I can't they're like all my friends are like Jeff get off Twitter. I'm like it's too late. We're married. Don't you feel though that you're on connect? I feel like Twitter helps me it hurts me for sure. But I feel like it helps me stay relevant with everything going on. Yes. On a certain level. That's true. Also, if you use it properly, you meet a lot of people, you would not otherwise have met I had lunches and made friends with screenwriters directors. People like yourself animators who I would have never otherwise got to meet I put I put together these things call the battle books that I'm selling which I got there's a hashtag called visible women. There's a hashtag called drawing while black is also has tackled during while Latin and all the other different things. But I found artists that I would have never been able to find and they're awesome, and they refundable, and if I wasn't on Twitter. I would not know who any of them were. And I made initial contact with them that way, I can prop I can publicize my work in a very quick. Effective manner. And frankly, if I want to tell the president he's a jerk yet, I just tipped right over to his Allen. Jerk. Write and it doesn't change anything. But it makes my day a little lighter. Yeah. You know? I feel like it's also helped me to be a better person because I'm aware of people that exist outside of my friend group, you know, and I have a very diverse friend group, but it's constantly changing the world is constantly changing. And I feel like I wouldn't be the woman that I am without listening to all these other voices people the hard part about Twitter is awful people that of course, you have to put up with. But like, for instance, I I did not know what nine binary was great last year. Yeah. Right. I thought I had it all down and I'm all progressive liberal and whatnot. And they started throwing out as the non binary and all the stuff. But luckily, there's Twitter I don't even have to ask half of the questions half of the questions are just somebody else going what the hell, and then someone graciously explains it and I follow follow. Right. I wouldn't have watched. Pose wouldn't have thought to watch pose if not for Twitter. Right. There are some gorgeous people oppose. Oh, yes. Oh my God. Some of those ladies flutter, but it wasn't the kind of show regardless because I generally like things with monsters or some sort of supernatural or whatever thing in it. It wouldn't have been the kind of show that I would have even looked at. Yeah. Because it essentially it's soap opera right with no time travel. Fine. Putting some time. Right. But because of this sort of presence that my Twitter who I follow. And who follows me there's conversations I don't even participate in that make me aware of things that I'm a I'm a check to seventy check. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, that's that's kind of how you know. I kind of sell people on Reddit because every time people hear read in. They're like, oh, it's a bad place. I was like you can make it a good place. You have control in as if you follow the right sub read it's your feed becomes this beautiful place. I mean, you know, just like it's what you make it yet people can sneak in and you'll have to like squish accordingly. Here's a good example. There's a artists called Jennifer Meyer. And after she's like illustrator painter book covers kids books and fantasy novels and stuff you can find on Twitter jail Meyer. She's awesome. I was really depressed after the Trump election. Like, I don't get depressed. It'd be for my if you follow by Twitter, I'm rarely depressed. Right. And I'm rarely even dark just like earth. You know, I get angry. I don't get sad. Right. But after the election, I was kinda down, and I couldn't take it. And I was not used to feeling that way for any extended period of time. I was like I might have to therapy or something for this. This is kind of ROY every day every day day, and this somebody else followed her someone I followed followed her and reposted these ridiculous sketches. She was doing bunnies. And these bunnies were like dress, like wonder woman or like having sword. Battles with other bunnies. Writing a bunny? You know, and I was like what? But they were delightful man, they were delightful naval lifted me, and I was like how is this happening? And so I followed her and she was doing this like while she was working on some she take a break and do these weird little quick sketches. But it changed my life. Like it up. It. I talk about this with my friends all the time. It literally shifted my perspective away from this sort of dark abyss place. I was going and once again had I not been on Twitter and following the right people. And now we're kind of Powell's we go back. Fourth. I sent her a thank you note. Like, I know you weren't trying to do this. But had you not done this. I would have been a way different place last year. Thank you. And she was just what you'd expect a lady who draws bunnies. Dress like wonder woman to be like, and she's awesome. And that's Twitter connection carefully. People yell at me or they get mad at my political opinions, and okay does she and I fight back. It's not like, I'm all like, all gracious and Gandhi is or whatever I go right in. Funny because you, and I don't know how long you, and I have been following each other a while while, but you know, what it's so 'cause we were talking, and I think I think the same way about myself is like, oh, no I'm angry on their lot. But you're actually funny a lot like you. I mean, you know that. But like, I'm saying you in your mind your door to you just do it with photography more. So than we do it. Yeah. Yeah. I. Probably how we followed each one of us was being petty and shot down somebody and put them in their place. They deserve it. They deserve it. But what I was going to say is that I think you're you're probably like me in that you think that your anger like, you bet your tweeting angrier than what you come across as I just wanted to say you come across as very well. I like your Twitter because it's very well rounded. Yeah. A curated like, yeah. I like I like a lot of stuff, and there's no way. Well, two things. Let me stop. Sometimes. It's too much information just of any kind and you get to like, all right? Okay. Gotta go. Yeah. It doesn't matter. You can tell me the greatest most wonderful story. But it's above that line. I can't hear it. I can't hear it. I gotta go away from this. And I think everyone should step back because it's just Twitter. But yeah, you you can learn a lot. I saw like how about this? When there's something crazy going on in Syria. And the news hasn't gotten anybody in there yet my Twitter feed is showing me people on the ground. So when somebody comes up and goes, well, this isn't happening. And I'm like I saw a man put his iphone out the window to show me that did actually happen. So what are you talking about? Right. That kind of stuff or brand new things from. What do you call it like a web comic that you again would never have heard of us? Check post one still my God. Who is this person? How do they paint like that? What is and you go look, right. Yeah. Like if you use it, right? It's doing what it's designed to be done for. It's just all these jerks coming in or going now, I can flex because. No one can hit me back. Right. And I feel like. Would it put it like this? And then I'll shut up about it. 'cause Twitter I pay for this. You know, what it's like it's like every time Tucker Carlson would try to have a debate with John Stewart, and I'm like, look Tucker. First of all your asses mediocre. Okay. Just to begin with you probably couldn't debate me. But John Stewart. Yeah, he's not only wicked smart. He's a professional comedian. Do you understand the process by which person becomes a professional comedian the open mic night at the end of the night when only people in audience our other professional comedian? So if you got heckled you're gonna heckle by pro, okay? So you survived that to become a real stand-up regular professional comedian, these regular folks who think they're funny they're like stepping into the ring with Muhammed Ali, right? So you decided to go on TV right with this guy. Who's literally made himself a millionaire being funny every day, and you're going to outwit him urine idiot. You just showed your AAA idiot. So it's the same kind of thing on Twitter. A lot of us. You me. A lot of people on that. It made out of words a lot of us. Make our living with words, so some Rando who's got a problem with women being gigs or about different minority group being involved with Star Wars or something like that thinks he's going to be all clever because he made his little cabal is a little Claver last. Right. And then they step to the wrong person that they might not have heard of persons a pro. Done go away. Now, go go play the children, go play with the other children. That's the vibe. I try to. I know it sounds vicious, but these people are awful now. So I think that I'm all for flexing. I see maybe. Much girl. No lex away flex away. Speaking of flexing. I look I'm going to perfectly transition. Are the show runner or Black Panthers quest and before we get into the show? What was your first introduction to Black Panther though? So I got a reprint probably of the fantastic for issue where he my dad introduced me to comics when I was probably about seven or eight maybe maybe ten young seven and marvel used to put out these giants or I mean, literally giant omnibus comics not like graphic novels are today like oversize weirdly, like how you going to collect this type stuff and in that was the fantastic four. I already liked jet Kirby. So my dad was like he likes to Kirby let me give 'em that. And I don't think panther was in that. But at some point I came across a reprint of that story, and I was okay. The black guy whatever. But I was fascinated with the fact that his introduction was well, here's how I'm going to meet the task for I'm gonna kick all of their asses yet by myself just to see if I feel. Like talking to him. I was like, okay. Do wait a stepped up to the money. But then he just became sort of a secondary character in the vendors for a billion years. He was just sort of like from my point of view. He was the silhouette of Batman without being Batman. They wanted a character to kind of look like Batman and this guy. I mean, we can just keep going on this. But the Black Panthers mask used to have his face exposed for brief periods face exposed. I believe that they shifted it to a full face covering. So they could sell the comic in the south. And that he wasn't obviously black. You almost never saw him unmasked. He almost never took that mask off. Even if you got hit by something his skin with never show in the rip or whatever that's not accidental. That's we gotta sell stuff to a very racist south in the sixties and seven wasn't there a period of time when they removed. I know that he was for like one issue. He was the black leopard that. Yes. Try and move it away from being associated with the with the Black Panther organization. But I do know also I think that it was like the his one comic came out that was like the history of two Challah. Also, try to do that to to change his name. Well, the thing to your eight of time modern people think that STAN and Jack. Saw the Black Panthers. And then made the character predates them. Yes. Right. One whole year before there you go. So my feeling my guess is. There was a comic book when both standing Jack were kids that most people don't know about called, all negro comics, only, grow comics, number one only had one issue. There's a whole horrible saga about why? There was only one issue which is its own show. But inside that was a character. Call lion man, who was an African prince who protected his country who had a giant mound of exotic material that people kept trying to come get. And I can't help it think either stand or Jack got exposed to that comic. They're both New York kids. They were not rich. I'm sure they picked up every Renzo five sent one cent comic that they could get their hands on and it probably floated away and win away. And then they pulled some of that up because it's very similar, but it's also not the same. So. Yeah. And so then it went into. Jungle action they had a book called jungle action with nowadays. I don't know that was what? Now, one of one of us is going to have to write that one. That was Don McGregor primarily, and he did a lot of sort of taking on the clan. He was ironically for an African Kenya's been an awful lot of time in the US fighting racial. Is interesting with a lot of superheroes. It's like, oh, these aliens all just hang out here in the United States of America and soda. Yeah. We go to China where most of the beings are. Especially. Yeah. So they did that for a while. He was the feature in jungle action that kept trying to give him a book, and it wouldn't last and all the while while I'm reading comics. He was always second tiered people pretend now that they always were into. But if you were the book would have never died. So that's a lot even you're lying. Right. He was a secondary. He was there to be black. I think primarily he was I wouldn't call them as far as a token because they always wrote him fairly. Well, like, he wasn't a go iron, man. He wasn't the cheerleader. He he came to play. But he was also there because we need a black guy near just for that few black fans that we have out there that might want to see them. So I think STAN STAN was very good about that. Yeah. I think Jack Kirby also said that to in an interview I have my hands high up in the air because my worship all things decker. Jack Kirby did say that he wanted more followers to fill represented. He was always that way. Always that way, and you can tell when I mean, again, we go from just on Jack. But when he split off when it was just him, you could see that in his work throughout. Much more prominent women is women were hard. They're all based all the really tough ones were based money's actual wife. Right. He he integrated all of his his little teams there unnecessarily in a sense. Like, I'm throwing black dude and keep throwing Asian dude. Why the hell not? And I think it's largely because the soup that New York was when the guys grew up was basically, and it's apropos now it was Chuck full of immigrants in a different way than it is now. The immigrants were much more. I think widely dispersed. So there was no dominant immigrant group. Yeah. Right. So everybody's just climbing all on top of each other New York is a very different kind of city in that regard. Then as you go further west, it becomes more and more segregated from my point of view, and obviously south but in New York. Yeah, you get broken up by neighborhood. But everybody's kind of on top of each other all the time. So even if you don't like the next person you've got to get along with them. You just have to or the city won't work. I don't know if it's like that now. But I guarantee it was like that. When those boys were coming up, this is probably aging. Giving our age away. But when I would watch in this animated show is the first one that I saw that. Really did that was hey Arnold. Remember that? Hey, Arnold, have one of the most diverse cast that I can remember in cartoons. That's on purpose. And yeah, there was on purpose. But that was exactly what you were talking about in. It was all different types of immigrant families and and immigrants coming together in in that, and I did I did love that a lot. I think the Hinson got the Henson company started with Sesame Street for the that their model was New York street. Yes. New York street, it just had Muppets on it. You know? So. Yeah. So the Black Panther roles for a long long time sort of you know, in the mid to late seventies. They try to jungle action they gave him a little mini series here. And there he was perennial in the in the adventures he was on a lot of the different rosters in the avengers. But again, kind of just there to be black. He doesn't really have the juice that they started him out. With right. Would they started about the whole fit at the five south which to correct myself the covered that the fantastic four. He appeared in came out in July, six nine hundred sixty six and black. Panther was created in October sixty six not even a years. Like there was something in the in the air in the air. I like to imagine just like Huey P like you'll we what we going do. Going to their stack. This this works. Yeah. Man. Oh, man. I wanted to be the spot of me, though, that will work that doesn't sell our political point of. Spider-man's would be cool. I mad at your brother Devi, right? It would be cool. You know, we could be the Black Panthers. Let's ask the lady. Okay. Do the black pants or the spider-man's? They're like are, you fools, y'all? Fools. Clearly, it's black band. So that happened, right? They they did that for a while really up until either the is I guess it's the late eighties or the early nineties when Christopher priest's shows up. And I mean his issue. I don't remember what issue number it was. But when he revealed with the Black Panther, I've been doing all this time if there had been an internet back, then it would've burned down that day because he basically was like wait up. I'm not with you all I would spying on you. All. It was like, wait. What it was like, no. I'm king of a nascent. What are you stupid? Of course. You guys are crazy powerful. Why would I play the backfield? All these dude come on. Now. What I look like, right? But it was like, and they were all like, oh, like even in the book, right priest wrote it like the ventures were like, wait, what are are friendly to Challah? He's like man, I'm a king. I've been telling you this thirty years, I'm king. I do kings stuff like and that just blew the doors off, right? And I also feel like that kind of model. That's shallow. We know. And love that is it he he took basically it was almost like the and nothing against Don McGregor who I met in his a lovely guy and did great stuff for the time period in which he is. But it's almost like prese reached back to that. I issue fantastic. Four and said, Nope that guy and I was like oh my God. How they gonna kill him. What he's going to die. They're gonna kill the black, man. There's no way he survived after. He's going to be a villain. Now. What I was ready to be outraged. Right. They can pick the Black Panther. But no. And it stuck and it it resonated. It was like he became unique. I think in VAT moment is blackness wasn't the uniqueness factor. It was this is a different kind of hero than you've seen before. Right. The closest thing would have been name or the sub mariner. But he was always played as villain. Yeah. Right. You sort of what is it chaotic? He was lawful evil. Yeah. Right. So to me is fascinating that to Charleston end up being that since he was technically fighting against the heroes. Right. Right. Fantastic. Four right there. The good guys. He's beating their asses as his debut and right? Well, that's typical light. You know, wrestling way of putting okay you also only one in here watches wrestling. I. Faking nerds and wrestling. I've been given all the static about my lack of wrestling map. Well, that's that's typically how you put someone over in wrestling. Do you have really good person? Okay. And then the new guy comes out beats the mess out of the the guy who we've established is the strongest kind of jail rules. Sure. So everyone's like. Yeah. So essentially, they Kirby, and and Lee, you know, put Black Panther over which I often that I think that's what kind of always gave them a special, pardon, my heart to not only create a black the first black hero. But also put him over and be like this. This is what I think it couldn't have been conscious right conversations. Like, the kind. We have now going on back, then certainly not across ethnicity. Yeah. Right. So these these two white aspect Jewish dudes running a comic book coming. Yeah. I'm almost feel like it had to be Jack who brought this end. Right. You know, we need a black guy. What way what? Yeah. We need to black. We need the ACA and you've seen the designs for the original version. It was coal tiger. Yeah. They're terrible. Terrible. Terrible. Like, Jack was my man, but occasionally he'd have a judge here. Like, no, no, no neighbor, find it down a Black Panther. But. On some basic human level. They had to know he has to come in so strong, right? He had to come in so hard or the audience will never accept that. He's appear with these people will always be in the backfield. And by the way, they introduced why wing foot Janis native American best friend for no damn reason. Why is he like why? Yeah. And he was cool. And then I was just talking to some guys about this on the web, the Kuwata tribe that they made up the native American tribe. People don't know. And no one's used this in marvel probably shouldn't blow this because I probably should use it. There's a native American what Kanda sitting under the soil in New Mexico in the marvel universe called the Wasi tribe. And they're just as high tech as what conduct. Okay, but they have nothing's been done with them. I'm like somebody ought to is probably not going to be me because I'm not in position to do that. That's what Jack and STAN would do. And I have to I kind of have to feel like a lot of that came from Jack. Because when he went off in his solo, the just became much more crazy. He was like black Jewish people. Chinese muslim. Ever just like when you hear stuff like that? And then we did a twilight zone episode with rod sterling and how progressive he was kinda just really completely destroys that argument of they were a product of their time. That's always been the core. Yeah. That's always been hoisted like, but you know, it it just kills that argument because you see all these people. And if you're if you're talking about the people who were talented enough to be like, the pinnacle of entertainment at the time there had to be more people like them. That's why we just didn't have the same microphone. That's right. So so I think that. Trust me old if you want to Portugal, let anyone get away with telling their grandfathers who was around with that actually. They were now all woke everybody was getting digital back. Pats news, actually, real popular. Almost kind of diluted. Yeah. You won't wear because I've been worked before we were getting digital driving points back. When back when you would lose friends. Is true. Now, you remember that? Only one yellow. Yeah, we have to convince wasn't known as putting it on T shirt somewhere on the internet is my our long tirade about how awful tear ach, Eric Iraq. No, it's a DC character. I mean. Yeah. But yeah. So pre shows up and sort of really the best thing about it was called the I call this at Moore's law. Alan Moore's law for comics. I I made us up. It's not a real law. Please make it a law. Always tribute me. But basically, he takes over the swamp thing comic, and he made he told him he says to himself. Look a lot of people not enough because it had been canceled. But a lot of people liked the original thing. Now, I want to do this all of this other stuff with it. I can't really I can't really spit on these existing fans that's not fair. So he came up with a story called anatomy lesson which is everything you read happened. All those stories are real. I'm not changing one word of that all those events occurred in the context of this story, except after this story all the rules are different. And it was called. I think not coincidentally the anatomy lesson where you find out all this different stuff and everything you've thought was true. It's not true. But not in a cheap crazy way. I feel the same way about a priest taking over Black Panther all the things that he did with the character. They hit so hard. I think because they're in it. There was already there. Like it just needed a writer to come in and go. Well, if this is true, the knees X this. Or seven other things have to also be true, right? If these are the conditions of his normal life at home, why is in the US so much like why would the king of this most advanced nation on earth spend, all of his time in New York City, doesn't he have a country to run like an even who's leaving behind running for him. When he's like all these questions probably were not asked by any writers. Why would they nothing against them? They got other things to deal with but prese comes in. And goes, you know. You know, and all of that's in the character. If it had not been it would have felt pasted on. It would have felt like, oh, here's this black rider. He came in. And he's going to make him the Batman of the marvel universe or whatever. And I I feel like the reason that he didn't get that backlashes because the character had had been already teed up for two decades for someone to come in and do it. And he just said, oh, I'll do it. You know? Yeah. But you know, then some funky stuff happened. Kasper Cole which we'll get into. Well, that's writers personalities after this break. Hey, Bill de like spooky things, but you also like to laugh, well, I've got the podcast for you. It's called ghosted by me Ross dress for less, I'm in LA based drag Queen comedian. I love a good laugh, and I love. And I love it. Rookie Ricky Dicky story. I'm going to be talking to people of all walks of life about their paranormal experiences. You can hear it now from Starbucks audio on Himalayas and apple podcasts. Hey, what's not go? We are back. And you know. Yeah. I guess we can talk about coal, you know. Well, there's two things that he did. Right. Chris. Did he creates Kasper Cole? And he also creates hunter, right? The Caucasian half brother of actually as as unnecessary as that is. I actually liked that aspect turn out to be cool. Yeah. Right. How what would it be like to be the one white and black? I know end you're part of the Royal family. But you're not part of the Romilly dude come on. That's genius. Also the way priests did it at the time people forget Everett Ross, they never talk about Ross who actually was the character telling the story, right? The white CIA agent. He's like right was the Black Panther the guy. But gotta remember when this book came out it had to sort of feel like lethal weapon. There had to be a sort of humorous component. I'm sure that was part of the pitch right there. Couldn't just be like strong black lead. Like, I can see that. They're all here comes a black, dude. With a pit for the Black Panther. Oh, delightfully funny. We thought it was going to be a hard and political. This is great go go crazy, right? I think Kasper Cole comes out of the idea that they don't have an American right? They don't have a back then everybody was. I remember this from my own trying to write trying to sell scripts. Quite as it's kept. I write primarily fantasy and science fiction. There's no rhyme or reason to the ethnishity and my stories, they're all you can say there's going to be a lot of different ethnicities and gender types of my stories. But just looking at me and going, oh, he's a black guy. It's always going to be black people. That's foolish. I don't do that when I do the rainbow. Right. So what would happen with my scripts would be can't be more urban? And I'm like, what are you saying? All right. The you mean, it should take place in a different city because that's what urban means. They met black. Yeah. I think that there is a certain like the way he was writing a Black Panthers away. We have him the way Kirby and leap, presented him was a high tech genius running the most advanced company cooks country in the world. And he acted like it. He there was nothing street at all about this Royal hereditary ruler of and they said why would there be is doctor dooms three? No, right. But I can bet there was some kind of a vibe like we need a street version. Right. And I think that's where Kasper Cole comes from sort of St. version of the Black Panther American street multiracial New York City police officer by this time, we had Luke cage. So it's like here we've got gotten some cool cages like cage that run which one not the one as a rela because I'm out to have really not. I'm not look I'm a child of the nineties grew up in Compton. Now was may I was li-. Let's go I wanted to find him and beat down. I was like never come with an arm's reach. Now. I you know, what at the time. I was up to here with all of that. So just to have cage be that. And also page was already kind of a regular doesn't think it was written by someone who's outside that life. Yeah. There's a difference between growing up on as what you would think of as a street level, which be lower middle-class. Yeah. Basically ironworker family or something like that in the city bus drivers. And all that. And being you know, a crip. Yeah. Okay. But there's a lot of people who can't tell that difference. They shouldn't be writing cage. Tell that different. I not ironic. You can't you don't get to be ironic about this the first picture that pops up when you search Brian has makes you think. Yeah. That's the goal tooth cage. You know, what's funny is is see this is this is that's the that's the majesty of being an author. And I'm I'm gonna just. At that. Because there are ways we could take it. Like, you know in my head. I didn't know what Brian as Ella looked like. So in my head. He was a latte next, dude. I thought he was Latino do I'm looking at him now. No. And and I see I see why you might have our best. But it was not just that. It was like what they did was a lot of things at the same time. What was done to hip hop? Right. Hip. Hop was very diverse sort of movement at its roots at the beginning. It started with a bunch of Latin and black kids just pours hell chopping it up. And they had all they had leg. Trans hip hop. They had just for dancing. They had like message him pop at all of that stuff. And then the frigate west coast came in. And it was all gangster all the talk. Right. You're welcome. Okay. You say that if you want to go well. Even the west coasters like I'm thinking like dilated peoples and some of the other sort of the hieroglyphics funky hope is to say go down a look, I'm LA native. Okay. So what I'm saying? They didn't get as much purchase. The the main line will because came over and took over and share everybody. Right. I felt like this was out of that. Like, I'm getting enough of that in my movies. I'm getting enough of that on my TV. I see nothing against this life because it's life. Jim it to discuss and show and all that. But it's not even close. It's not even fifty. It's not even forty thirty percent of what's going on out there. So when that cage book came out, I was like e am done. Well, yeah. Because you know, just to get just a real tap into that next truly like explained because I know exactly what you you feel. There was an often Tissot when it first came on. In w I was coming out in w it was like look at our struggle in somehow. Like evolved in grown into a glorification of it. And we felt that here in the hood. Like, I said I grew up in Compton California was in Downey to go to high school. But I lived in Compton till about I was like in ninth grade, then by senior year, I was back in Long Beach nor side Long Beach across the street from Jordan high. Vince Staples like it was like it. It was like a whole lifestyle. Like if you remember like the punk kids at your school and the metal heads like gang banging became this lifestyle. But it wasn't like no you didn't wash out the spikes. You didn't take off the it was a real lifestyle that got caught up in. Yeah. And also was the effect of you know, you know, systematic issues that people have colored dealt within the hood. And it seemed like there was no way out. It seemed like the only way to survive in those situations was either be a rapper a basketball player and a or a gangster. Like that was that was the only way you survived because you got home. There was no food. So what this group of people that you call the gang? You know would take care of you feed you, and that's all you had you know. That's the thing about this that people. I mean again, we can. Yeah. Do all show about this on actually all series about this? Yeah. But. There's a reality of that life. It's too simple to just right? Everybody off is they're just hard Vish. Yeah. Criminal thug. There a significant number of Minhaj is hard. But there's also the complete lack of family structure, then this thing takes the place up at like, that's basically every terrorist. Exactly. The same you destroyed their culture. There's no unit. There's no unified families where all these test asteroid testosterone filled boys going to do I'm going to join up with the Taliban, or I'm going to become a crypt or a blood or whatever it is. It's very simple equation when I don't want some outsider who only knows about it from MTA Chang, Luke cage into that. Right. If you're gonna have a discussion dig deep, well, also because you don't like if wanna go back to the WAN allergy you lose that that that, you know, explanation of what the struggle is to shine light on what the the the the source is versus like, someone glorifying it and being like, this is cool vest leading to more kids wanting to do that right so much. So that the gangster rappers themselves had to go and do an armistice. Right. Hey. Right. We know we make it sound cool. But it ain't I remember snoop Dogg in game had to come out and do a whole. So like if you look at the actual lyrics. They're not always making it sound that cool. Yeah. Getting chopped down cops beating them up and treating them like hell just for standing around. Like, it's not a life. You want to do somebody's glorifying which watch watch what I do. Now. Which I think that's where Kasper Cole came from the same sort of soup of we needed to be hood. We need to be street, not necessarily and even with the cage thing not necessarily because it's in the person's mind. I don't think they're doing it to be negative or whatever they're like, remember, marvel comics is used to be called marvel pop comic pop, art comics, their whole reason why they always beat DC once they showed up was they try to keep their finger right on the pulse. Right. So whatever those kids out there doing we're gonna have some comics about it. If you look at that stuff. It was all hippies and whatever. So that was the street culture became kid culture, Qaidam culture in some ways. I think it's a problem. But I can see the people at marvel editors marvel going, hey, there's a black guy. We're gonna do this. Hey, I don't know this. I have no inside knowledge about this. But I will be willing to bet that that was a discussion rather than writer going. Hey, you know, what else? I wanna do. I wanna do this to it'd be more. Like, hey, we need this gap filled. Can you can we use your pop? Larry with the panther right now to fill that gap. Sure. Let's go, you know. And that's what you get. I think that's where you get casper. Call. Yeah. And then we're going to say I was gonna say the talk about the portrayal of two Challah like how that is so important, then because you have a black king who is ROY all you have royalty. You have a sister. Shirley, who like, especially if we're talking about the film, like how important it was to see that to see reg. I'm sorry. Go ahead introduce Suri crea-, create sure he created the dorm Elisa who were only two would he created them? Just the to sort of wives protector wives of the Black Panther like ceremonial marriage. Ready huddling comes in among many other things when he takes over he adds Suri the little sister. And you're like, oh, okay. She's genius to. All right. Let's go. And it's interesting that she took off in the movie because once again, we. Sort have been talking about this off the Mike, but there's a whole bunch of people who haven't been getting served and Suri typifies of that to some degree, right? She shows up, and she feels a space that all of us could go, you know, there's this empty space. You could fill up with money. If you just did this, right, right? What you're talking about? You guys are crazy. That's pine sky progressive stuff. You guys are crazy. And then she shows up and takes over the movie. Yeah. Right. Everyone wants to talk about sure where she what was she doing most popular character seen all year? You know, because there's there's a need for it wonder woman, captain marvel like there's a need for this people one. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. If we look by by now anyone who's against this has already turned. Exactly. Last week with women. The same damn crap last week. But, but you're I think you're speaking to something very very true. Whereas the sense of like, you know, if I just take a step back. There's been a lot of bad ass. Black dudes on onscreen, Black Panther isn't new know. You know, I was happy because Black Panther does happen to be my favorite comic book character as a Nigerian American it like torches me in a very specific way. No other here, buddy. Right. Yeah. It's like, oh, this is you even to the MAC, right? So I've had that attachment. But you know, I can I can go in and see, you know, eaters Elba. Kick someone's. But or you know, Chadwick in another movie that Michael be. But you know, you don't have opportunities for young black woman to not only see like, you know, a woman who is beautiful, but someone who's smart come Koiei. Yeah. She dominates the movie everyone wants to talk about hers too. Yeah. You really you really got like two fold. You got your bad ass black woman. And you got your intelligent black woman to things you never see you got your third one. Right. Nikki, Nikki, right. Who by the way is completely different from the way. She is in the comics. They just took her and made her into their own thing. But what you this is the thing we all come. From variations of what mainstream American culture, which is white would deem minority cultures. We're they would think of his needs culture. Yeah. But we know within the culture, there's all these nuances. It's not just like, oh, there's the Latin chick interchangeable with the other Latin chick, right? There's the black dude. Like I've been mistaken so many times for football player because of my size, or if I happen to be in another country. Oh, you must be on the local basketball team. Yeah. That we've we only fly in black athletes to play basketball for right? The only place that doesn't happen Africa 'cause everybody's black. But from the point of view of these executives and their lifestyles and the people make the decisions about all this stuff. They their job is I'm not letting them off the hook. Because a lot of them are just bags of. But the, but a lot of them are just comp- ignorant in an innocent childlike ignorance way, where they literally like, okay. How can I put you into quickest boxy? I gotta move onto the next. No. We'll go into this. Because I don't I don't I don't think anyone should hop on you for recording, quote, letting them off because this is a very interesting in truth thing that I think needs to be talked about where it's like, everyone is more is only aware of the world, they're experienced. And if you grew up like, you know, primarily not primarily if you grew up white and primarily white upbringing. You're you're not checking for those things. Just not looking I tell you like, you know, look out, you know, I write for TV. I have I'm on a group. Of people who write for very popular TV shows calls right in Brooklyn, nine right? Nice Mars writing for single parents and went on right for other stuff. I'm not gonna say no names because I trying to get into a story, and I want people trying to which was that it, right? Yeah. That never do you know? And this isn't like a knock or anything. This is just, you know, something that I hope like if the room or someone associated or show runner, here's this. They do take notice this, right? You know, one of the guys they were writing for a show a network show with a black character on and they and he came to me one day. Oh, I totally see you know, what how like black characters in not being written. Well, and it's kind of not their fault. What ends up happening is you have this black character. And it's the only black character in the show. So you're freighted make them flawed in any way because you have inadvertently accidentally made this one person of color represent Representative. So any flaws now the writers are worried of coming off racist, you're almost to work for your own good because you don't put and that creates a boring the solution have more. Oh my God. Exactly why did want to say this is. This is one of the biggest things that I loved girls trip for because it was like you had all of these black women, but they all were different like you had the wild child. You hadn't loving mother. You had the the professional you. And it was like oh weird that we could be like all you can have, you know, but we're all diverse like, we're different. When you see what happens the box office blows up and the reporters talk about it. Like, it's an anomaly interchangeable is what I mean like, we're all. Themselves. That's what happened went home. The people went the first weekend went home and went girl. Did you what I want to say is not Gina Rodriguez? You're you're not, of course. You're not there. You should never be there to be Latin. That's the point all of her stuff. And I think she's I'm just like I'm not her though. And. This point. Well. I could go on this forever. But what I'm saying is we are not interchange. But you're not you're you're no this dishes. If you've been to. Not even that you just walk in cold. And you see like nine thousand versions of everybody. There could be your sister. Like literally like, always get Gina Rodriguez type. Right. I'm just saying that I understand that we look similar, but we're our personalities are. So what I wanted to say is that's why I'm ex I was excited that there was a film white girl ship in just like what Black Panther did where it showed these women all have all different types of personnel. Throw all different times audience quality. Yeah. Right. And so what happened with Black Panther people talk about kill monger because it never seen a brother quite like that in a movie, and as you said, you have seen a brother like to challenge the movie before not quite that extreme. But he's been around never seem somebody as mood as a kill mongers, the bad guy and be black that way, and the ladies you've never seen that many of different kinds of heroin black woman in anything. Yeah. Anything even. Lee movies. You've never seen. Right. So, of course, they get all the juice. They're getting talked about the most because they're the new hot thing. And everybody tells their friends and half the audience is female, y'all. Yeah. Right. Like, maybe the reason that's all other show. That's all of the. Let me put like this. I went on this whole thing. Whereas my black widow movie for like two years long before anyone was like I was doing posters. Where's my black? Widow moving and the the rule of the rule in Hollywood was women. Can't do action movies people won't go see them. And I was like literally every franchise you've ever made stars woman. What are you thinking? Resume leave you alien. I was rigging up from TV seven. Cleopatra freaking domes back as far as you want. Right. So it was a lie. It was why people kept telling themselves to be able to say no to the ladies. Basically. We don't wish to. Here's the stat. We're going to give you the problem is you can actually go. Check the stats. Yeah. You're you're either lying or you're stupid. Those are your choices. Right. So. With the Black Panther movie, and his why say it should be. If there such a thing, as should I don't really believe in the Oscars. It's just like a high school popularity contest. But it does. So it makes careers go bigger. It makes it makes the ideas put in some of these movies go wider. Okay. Wanna see more of a certain kind of movie wanted to win an Oscar, right? I feel like just because of what the number of levels that the Black Panther operated on that maybe are invisible to a lotta white people that they just went to a movie, so great action movie. Oh, got some black people, and that's kind of cool to that by progressive. But I'm like nothing was working on like five levels. Yeah. You sure you got all five because I don't think you did, you know, really don't and one of them was this nuance of female power, essentially. You see a lot of women like pull Jessica Chastain out. Just for no reason. But she's very hardcore. She's like choosing movies and directors and stuff where she can show women in different lights, and I think she absolutely should do that. But because she's the solo star. She's that woman, right, which one is on samba pieces because they will show variety of person approaching problems in different ways. Right. So like the alien cast can be multi-ethnic the next more multi-ethnic the next time around or like, the colonial marines, people forget Asian people Latin people although play by Jewish woman black people whatever, but they were sort of all intermingled with each other and they all approach problems differently based on personality. Yeah. Right. Rather than oh. That's the Latin dude he's gonna do this. That's the Chinese dude. He no he's a martial artist. You know or tech head or whatever. Right. You just have to be thinking about it differently. And I think that's part of the giant weird sort of phenomenon aspect of the Black Panther, which people aren't. Really quite tweaking to yet. It has less to do with its blackness and more to do with the variety of women being shown, right? The the kinds of women. You can see there's not just good girls and bad girls is not just mean girls and nice barrels. There's not just smart girls and hot girls, dumb girls fat girl or any of that crap. Right. It's just there's a lot of different kinds of people in some of them spend money on movies, maybe show them. Yeah. Like, seven and a half billion human beings show, some of them not rocket sucking. But they make it they make it rocket science. So with the panther. I think that's part of the big phenomenal success of the movies that actually pushed a lot of those buttons. I think wonder woman did some of that. But I don't think it had frankly had one wonder woman in it. Right. Right. Like once you leave paradise island. She's the only one you a room full a special women. That's what you went like Hidden Figures room full of special women, what happened blew up. It's not hard. It's not it's really not hard. Do the math, man. But they try to make it seem like nobody knows we have to take another quick break. But when we get back we're gonna jump into Black Panthers quest is the future of Black Panther, right? After this. 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And we are back, and yet, let's just let's just talk a little bit more about the film because something I don't know. These are some actual numbers to the budget was two hundred two to two hundred ten million and it made one point three or four seven billion dollars. That's very exciting. If you're if you haven't seen it, I can't imagine you being a subscriber of this podcast or. But I knew that it did. And I mean, I think that it has influenced show as well, actually. It hasn't only in a couple of minor minor ways. And not for any particular reason except that while they were in when they were wrapping up principal photography. Okay. They were still shooting when we started making our show. Okay. And quite as it's kept marvel is like working for the CIA. Right. People laugh. You just laughed. Yeah. I'm not exaggerating. Projects do not cross pollinate. There's no unless somebody at the top says we want the Black Panther cartoon to be exactly like the movie therefore, you need to sign all these nondisclosure agreements and read the script. So that it can be exact it's not going to be right. I forgot to mention that you were working on the comics, right? No, no, no. I thought you did write a black well year, we they put me in after like a weird fish. Should we add it? No, you decide. Okay. I saw a Black Panther. That was Alexis thing that they did as part of the promos for the movie when it came out. I approached me because I was the guy who was on the. Yeah. And I created this other character for marvel mosaic. Yeah. It was in the mix. Oh, Jeff you. He's always running this. Oh, he might want to do. What is right? And it was kind of fun. It was kind of weird because it was Alexis, Diana. By the way, it's free. Go read it. I had a ball looking at the cover art for you. It's yeah. But yes, so the time line, even if we'd wished to really wasn't a way to do it. Also, everyone's crazy secretive about these movies. So unless it's everything's need to know and animation as much as we love it we geeks. It we were not on the need to know list. What we learned about the movie was basically from whatever the public news. So we saw the big kill monger mask when it came out. That's when we saw the kill monger, man. We didn't know any of the actors until they announced who the actors were. So that's I would say that's partly. Why the designs for our show don't match like the movie, exactly? So I mean, there some of them are closer than others. But on the whole like everybody knew claw was because he'd already been introduced so soon as I mentioned, Andy circus is going to reprise claw. Or to know what he looks like as we saw him in age of ultra right? So that's an easy. He designed to do but the rest were just designed. So you gotta give it up to the designers for. I'm pretty sure once they knew that homeboy plays kill monger, ladies love him. And I can't Michael Jordan. Ironically was in the first episode of TV, I wrote him and Jeff Goldblum were in the same episodes. I wrote for kill monger and the grandma. But. I guess they got wind of who that was going to be. So they designed the character sort of resemble the kill monger characters him. But the rest of it was just us like, and it's probably probably not the best advertising tool to say, we're not like the movie, but on another hand if freed up, right? So now you have three versions you have the movie version, you have the comic book version two which is wildly different than the movie like wildly different. Yeah. Before. I see coats who shouldn't people will write us. I mean, just wanna even starting to write something thinking that you knew about ten. He's coats before there's no two gentlemen in the room. I didn't race it feel bad about typing. Wow. Yeah. And then also there was the the Black Panther series that was by marvel knights. Yes. That was Reggie Reggie huddling. Who did that? What was turned into the show was basically a adaptation of his one of his arcs? Yeah. And. I I liked a lot of it. It was very slavish from my point of view. They they didn't want to be the one to say go is it. Did I didn't want to be the one saying you go on BT? Yes. And he was president at the time. It's helpful. But they also were very they wanted to stick so close to the original artwork of John remedial that I think ultimately just this is I know Reggie Reggie is a friend of mine. I'm not saying I wouldn't say to him. I can see why they chose to do it that way sense that he would want to do it that way. But in the long run, I think there's a reason certain kinds of art stay in the comics and other kinds of art our best to make yet move moving animating. And I'm not sure that was the happiest marriage of styles. But again, there's a lot like it's weird because these characters people think they're setting stone. Because when they see them in a movie, that's the character. That's the that's a Black Panther black ran has been around since before anyone in this room was born. Yeah. Right. And I'm way older than these two. So that's a long time as the point. Oh, yeah. So I feel like when I talk to people about it is like this when the hell movies came out real gigs were like out ham help what movie I don't even know why they're making help wake of all the all the characters. Why elbow? I mean, I'm glad but damn right? And then it came out. I was like, okay. This isn't exactly the comic comics way slower its way darker than this movie. It's funny. But it ain't. This is way more full of jokes, and sort of sarcasm and stuff like that. I can see what they did. But the weird thing was hell boy was still elbow. And that's the point. He felt like hell boy, he talked like hell boy he did. Hell boy things he looked like hell boy. So regardless of what else was going wrong little modifications that they had to make and all that from my little geek comic book head. If felt like I was watching a help him then they put out some help boy cartoons which were not like the movie, and they weren't like the comic. But hell boy remained hell boy. He still acted like he felt like the hell boy expected him to be. Yeah. So if you look at the different Black Panther characters in the movie the show in the comic that character is essentially the same guy. Yeah. Ours is slightly older than Chadwick bozeman version, probably slightly younger than the comic book version based on the craziness coats has got him going. But we were free, and I think that helped us. Yeah. And you know, there's one run I wanna talk about because I talk about a lot of I actually was big fan of this a lot of people fight me on this. But the most dangerous man alive when he comes to health kitchen. I was all about I was hot. Slap that was all about it. Plus, I was like Chatelain was such a good like run. And so I'm like, gee, geeked up off of that them a men's to challenges to hang out in New York. And then as a Niger and once again, his like alien was right harangue, right? Which was a character from things fall apart? It was it was like my there was only one part one part that I was not a fan of. Oh, here we go. It was the fear itself. Crossover when they put my Mans up against hatemonger. And this is if you look Munger now, they got the swamp up one, then I'm like, oh, yeah. Who kind of reflects the Hitler. We would literally literally actually eight of you. But this. Kidding? But this the hate monger that was feared self was a dude in a pink KKK out for right? I remember I'm like, how's this dude? Terrorizing to challenge not. He's not. It was such a pain that. Yeah. But well, that's the thing. That's another thing that could be a whole episode as much as I love a good crossover when when you force because they because remember right when I started really getting into comics, which is round that time. Okay. A few years earlier like I'd say right around like right after darkest night getting really in the Cape's. That's when they went crossover crazy everything event. Yeah. Every book had event. And I remember like being like has this always been there will be no before that it used to be a long period of time before there was it would be an event. Yeah. Then it was like it was a minute. And the problem was because we're talking about this kind of Mary's right into what you just said is because they wanted the crossovers to coincide with the movies. Yeah. Happen only two promo captain America bright because that's when red skull came back, right? And then they had the other one with door to promote therm of all of the crossover. Vince, it was like it was so transparent that you just doing this to sell it. Then you're went crazy and cancelled a fantastic for to be petty. And it was that having pettiness people keep saying that in the fandom that's not paying what's what's the real. Money whenever remember probably in the fan community says it's petty. It's not they everyone who makes comics love comics writers editors are everybody 'cause money's terrible. So if you don't love it, you're not in it. Okay. But everybody above them in the executive suites. They're fighting the same fight that every publishing company every studio fights, we don't own these guys. Fox's putting out movies with these guys? We would like FOX to give these guys back to us. But if these movies keep making money, they're not going to every comic we put out since they own the rights to the movies in the fantastic four. If Danny comes in with a great idea, great fantastic for arc ever written. She comes in. She sells it they do it. They put out she introduces six brand new characters that everyone in the audience loves marvel can't do anything with them. But FOX can. So you're you're giving away you're giving away stuff. You're giving away free stuff to accompany that you would like to give back your stuff, which they have no incentive to do. And have no legal reason to do. They bought it fair and square. They're exploiting it, fair and square. Now, you got some juice because you just came hard with that ironman stuff, you'd think we went all of our property back. Well, I guess you shouldn't have sold it. Then. Fidget this hardball, man. Yeah. So people in the fandom communities wanted it to be pettiness like, well, we just going to be stingy about it. But it isn't. It's this billions of dollars at stake. Oh, yeah. I feel you in the in the. Like, I am fully aware that Juneau. It's still just felt penny. Not because I wanted might fantastic. And they had but you're right. You're right. The reason I'm mad is because they went on a whole new route with it switched it up and FOX could've created something. Really nice with it lucky for marvel. Fox was FOX FOX. What were you thinking? How could you not get that? Right. Me off. He's sitting. Oh my gosh. The the future foundation on my good. Don't sleep. Don't get me. Started on any of that. I go weeks on that. I think that we I'm gonna just do this really lightning round of things that we haven't forgotten about Kanter we just have a lot to get through. And and Jeff is also a busy, man. Oh. Also this energy out there, if marvel you need a little buffer between movies. Let me write the most dangerous man Minnie's. Let me write that. I'll write that mini series. We could throw it up on your weird app. I love this guy. Like, it'll hold people over to the next movement. That's what I meant to do. We okay. So I have storm. He had a really he was married. Enjoy but Jeff did. The people of the storm thing and a lot of storm fans live my beef. With is very simple, my friend. Reggie put that together. I think it was a very business smart thing to do is putting a giant franchise together with a guy who needed some always needs a little bit of extra whatever. Plus, they're the most prominent black characters possibly in comics to them. It made sense on that level from my point of view is very simple. Every superhero should be unique. Everybody should have their own rogues gallery, their own love interest storylines, all of that stuff. So that when I pick up a Black Panther character. I'm picking up for that. It's not captain America. It's not Spiderman, and then it's fun when there's a crossover because fireman gets go. What these are the people you fight. Good Lord, vice versa, right or. Lady Sieff shows up Thors love interest, and she's kind of like, well, I never actually met captain America before he's kinda hot. Like, wait. You're supposed to be with me. I know Thor. But you know, we're thousands of years old. I get back to you. Steve Rogers cat over here. You know, like that that's sort of the fun of the crossover, but the mutant thing. Plus, what Kanda that's top heavy to me. I dislike plus storm doesn't need him. And he doesn't need her. It's a I feel like they should have built up their own each one who stormed real love interest. Now, she's been with wolverine for God's sakes, come on. No. So that was my only beef with it. And I feel like now especially since you've seen in the movies. They could have taken a time to just build up a character that was worthy of like Batman, a cat woman. How long have they been dancing around? Yeah. Right. All you need it with somebody the end of time, right? Tell the end of never. They're not getting it. I feel bad. Getting the ring. Okay. I brain. I'm Jeff what can't do now kinds of brainy? I'm like, there's different Black Panthers in comics, very specific, vibration. Eats redistributes, Connecticut or other forms of energy, but primarily Connecticut, so and it was an Astros a meteoric in Africa billion billion years ago and will Condon's discovered it, and when would is this stuff and create an entire technology based solely on that. And it's the only place in the world that exists. So no one else has that. And that's why they're stuff is so crazy and futuristic, and they can do all the stuff that technically shouldn't be possible. But vibe radium is unattainable. It's it's it's just whatever in the comics in the movies. It's very interesting. Because again, we don't have the X men. So we don't have access to demand him right marvel doesn't own that. That's all FOX so vibration starts to be sort of the placeholder for both. Now, it's the reason captain America's shield indestructible. All this other stuff that cap did have a sort of a vibrant neom. Adamantine alloy shield at one point. I don't know what the status is now. But the original version was not frigging vibrations. Yeah. Okay. But it was from a meteor. So you could say it was broken off from the central. Maybe I don't know a lot of writers write this stuff over decades. So it gets fuzzy, but that means there's a planet somewhere that's made entirely vibe rainy was maybe it was crypt on. I don't know. But. But. But so in the movies, it's it's a fuzzier thing. It's much more like adamantine, if you know comics, you know, the different Fatemi Adams unbreakable unstoppable. Can't it can cut through anything for hone it to an edge. It's it's sort of thing that you would hit a God with because it can it can fight God hammer or something like that. But vibration, verses adamant him used to be a discussion which one would win because if you come in with slash, but you hit something made by Brennan eats, all the energy. It's sort of like, you just tapped it so does it cut, you know, like that in the movies and cartoon, they're basically the same same element. So anyway, yeah, sure he actually took over the man toll of Black Panther to do more. Yes. And I love that. That's actually what led into the comic talking about. He was filling salty well couldn't protect his country. So he went to hell's kitchen take over for daredevil while while my sister runs, that's your vacation. I'm going to go to health kits in fight criminals without my stuff. This relaxed and so Scheer so he had no that was the big thing about most dangerous, man. He had no powers, then they went ahead and tweet that by having Schori run by the the God of light, right and not like life and to the God of death, right? He's the Lord of the dead. Yeah. Yeah. Who I mean writers crazy, wacky ideas? And editors like that sounds wild do that. Yeah. And then you look back on you're like, wow. It was a weird phase. My anyway, ask questions we were doing a lightning round. I think that was my I was going to. So another thing is that even though in the movie sure is shown, and she is she is one of the smartest people in the entire planet. But to Challah in Marvel's roster. I think is like numbers like he's also one of the most brilliant people know that he's one of the richest from he's like, but he's also. Yeah. One of the most brilliant child is in the comic, certainly is if you know calm, especially marvel comics what if doctor doom was a good guy. Yeah. That's the Black Panthers basically him, right? And there's no reason he there's no denying why he's in luminosity. Oh my God. I was apprised just kill all of them. Like, the luminance such a fun idea because it's like, none of these people's ego should let them work together. But I like seeing all these smart people punk out some of the ones, you thought were think that way read talking so don't know aluminum is to Chela name more, professor act, Reed Richards, docket, straight strange, and there's more that should be because they all have an Infinity style, right and Black Panther. And so like that that was like. They started beefs. That's literally how to challen name more ended up with a blood feud. That's how like so much that was such a fun run. When they really were hitting the aluminum that was that was some wild times like they pumped out captain America. We are the smartest most powerful. People. Don't you don't listen, just go. Wait hit stuff cat. We're not talking about that stuff illuminate like in a weird way. They're kind of villains though. Oh, yes. They wanted. They they were the most ruthless. Good guys in the history of good. Yeah. Like, they were like we will do anything to save the world even blow up another planet full of people like at which they did do. And I'm like, how are these the good that was that was that run when you had that like the teams of people make the decision because you got the uncanny. Right, right. We'll call exports. That's right, and they backup. Now. We'd better just kill this. If you wanna listen, if you're if you're like, oh, man capes or two lollipop for me, retail luminosity read uncanny x force because they are the luminosity were hard. Those were some fun runs on my gosh. Couldn't make a whole like they had the basically disbanded diet, whatever. Oh, yeah. There's no way that comic of remain that hard. Both of them. They're just like, I we've we've done as hard as we could let sin them back, but personality wise with Black Panther, one of the things that I think priest and Hedlund both did excellently was had to differentiate him from. He's not Marvel's Batman. There was a lot of people in comic book where he's just a black Batman and marvel they need a Batman guy. He's not crazy. Yeah. He doesn't fight crime. You're not putting criminals in jail like that. He's richer than everybody. He's just as smart as the smartest, dude. And his skill really is tactics. Also, another thing powers people always forget about this. Because they didn't do it in the movie, they put all his powers into the suit in the comics. He's he's captain America level. Yeah. Got this thing called the heart shaped herb rank Black Panthers. Eat a ritual around it. But it basically they're like what they call meta humans. He's like, captain he stuff they did to make skinny scheme into captain America. We're condoms have been doing that with this one fruit for ten thousand years. Right. So he's that. Right. So even with nothing with no gadgets. No, nothing. Just naked on a beach. Please. Don't start a fight with this, man. Yeah. Like really like who thing I think that's a well. We just wanted to tap on the future. I mean, we can't talk about the future of we know there's a movie second movie. Right. That's why thought I mean if I talked about this. If he and I know this is me like just thrilling shame. If he and I talked about this with Infinity war when he disappeared in everyone, cried, and we're like, but he has a three picture deal. So. I'm like, no. But Spiderman also as three picture deal. Tom hall in accidents already gave it ever. Into the movies. No, also, he's gonna movie it's half a movie true. Right. They part one right and the title, but also they're not gonna just kill off this huge characters just made a billion dollars. Let's billion dollars versus the Infinity. See which one win. Right. I guess what? Do you think that they might tackle in the second? Phil. What do you wanna see more of Chris? I mean for me. I liked what they did in the first one. They opened up a lot of doors. I would like to see what they did. With the women. I would like to see a real black villain that wasn't like kill Munger. Basically, what kinda focus I would like to see a global level threat that happens to be a black person. Right. Have you ever seen that in a movie? I don't think you have or if they've been played evil or whatever they've been played like crazy weird evil like maybe Sam Jackson in the was in the Queen Kingsman. Yeah. Maybe I mean, there was this Russell Simmons as Wayne Dwayne already beat marvel to that with this Hobbes, they put a superhero and a carbon me, you know, what? Wait, don't even get started on that franchise a rip off of point break. And it's now become the car acrobat team versus shield now. I'm here for thank you. Fast. By the way, those movie. Family. But we we are. Yeah. I was so on the train before everyone figured out that you don't have to ironic we like it. So look, hey, I'll tell you what this is the last this show. They did a trick that most franchises. Can't do your started out as a completely one kind of franchise, and they had one movie where they had a chance to flip it. And if it hadn't worked at have been the end. Yeah. And not only did draft. Well. To this day. And I promise I have no plans to change. It have not seen Tokyo. I was like no good soundtrack. I mean. Teriyaki Boyz slaps. They turn out not gonna see a, Dan. I don't know how they still don't watch initial d another. I'll watch a whole season of date before I watch Tokyo drift. They got a feud going on. Yeah. Near deficit. Come for the topic. We're talking about two five other topic. I mean this enough times now that people are used to. That's what kinda drift tonight. Let's let's just close up shop. We've flown. This has been a mazing conversation. Thank you coming on. My pleasure. I love talking about the show. Even though we barely. Is there anything you want to promote where can people find you? Can find me apparently on Twitter got a patriotic? Which is I think it's Jeff Thorne patriotic. But what I really like the hype is I got these things called the battle books on Amazon it three digital comics of all brand new characters. Superheroes. Whatever not also science fiction adventure but ever, but they're competing because I don't have time. So whichever one in themselves the most by the first spring is the first chapter of three different stories complaints, whichever one of themselves. The most even if it's by one sale. That's the story that gets to live and the rest of them are just going to sit in my vault. Right. And just to help out. Some of the people listening is Jeff spelt the other way. Yeah. The British the proper way o f f torn with an e it's all British from front to back to. Hey, whatever man do any of that. That's all real my parents did that. And if he wanted to catch up on Black Panthers quest, I know that. Online for people that are the Disney up yet. Disney now app the whole thing. I think also there's five free episodes up on YouTube. Yes, steps owed, and then we did a sort of a weird time travel. So that whole arc is up there for free in the news. This one weird when with bats, and claw. I'm like, I don't know. Why does that? I mean, it's awesome. So random, but that's up there too. We had a ball. We got please do watch it. I've one thing about the show is that it took a minute for people to sort of figure out. It was a little different than the other seasons of the show is a season five of the vendors show not season one of the Black Panther show. Although it feels like Joe it's really seen five of the adventure. So I think people are like, oh I've seen that before. I can wait on it. And it's not going to be new. But it is new it's brand new completely different pros completely different style. And now there's enough of it that you can binge it like, I know all young people like to do. So please bins the hell out of it. I was gonna say you also had a nica who rose. Yes. And she plays you, Mandy, Mandy. Yeah. Yeah. It's really cool. Because for those of you that don't know, which I totally know 'cause she's in my spot. If I listened to the soundtrack all the time that she was voice of Tian as she was the first black dizzy, Princess, which is cool because she's in an animated show with the first black superhero. Also, unique to our show we created that. Character. Yeah, she's a past Black Panther. She's the Queen of what kind of from like. Years ago, something crazy like that. She was great, by the way. I love her. She get her to sink not for me. Please. Please bring her back and have her do your voice. No. Monte. We love Niko. She was she's she's lovely sell. Great. I got to meet Stanley. I got to work with Markham. Oh hayley. Atwell? I mean that that one aspect of the show, but also the the regular cast the the people who play the vendors James and daisy who play the challenge and Sherry. These people are lovely lovely lovely one friend Roger Craig Smith. He was on her sonic episode man is a madman. Have you seen those things? What's strong says? No. Are highly Queen episode those things that he does what he's trying to get her to smile. Nope. I'm like, what is this sterile? It makes my day whenever I see him. He's awesome. She roasted him on our on our show because he's evil. He's my captain America, by the way, like every all y'all can have Chris Evans. I'm gonna take my Roger Craig Smith. That's right. He's captain me. She loves the blue sonic and Cavs anyway. So that's that's, you know, thank you for having me. I love it. You guys are great. This great thanks for geeking out about Black Panther in his history would just be doing this at my house. Are you still talking? I'm at MS Dani Fernandez on all the things pick up the good immigrant book, which is out. Now, I think when is the strap what's today it should be dropping on Tuesday. Which today it is. 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MKREWIND: The Black Panther Party (EP260)

Minority Korner

44:59 min | 11 months ago

MKREWIND: The Black Panther Party (EP260)

"Welcome to minority corner where we take an introspective at the world through an Intersectional Lens I'm James He him his I'm eighty queer political actor activists comedian can Syrian self proclaimed sexy blurred. That's a Buck nerd. And each week I'm joined in the corner by another fabulous minority where we tackle the news pop culture politics, media history, and more all with a little self care and self love sprinkled throughout. Okay. So for this week's minority corner rewind, we are going back in time and maybe this week since fired by. Black Panther there's lot of talk about it, but we're going to go to the actual history of the actor Wall Black Panthers because we just don't know our history folks we just don't know it. We need a refresher and it's purposely designed that way and it's important to know what this organization's stood for and fought for and how a lot of the things that they laid the groundwork for things that we have in place. Now, a days that were just basic human rights equality and also how and why they were purposely. Shut down. So lucky breaks sound the history of the black. Panthers. Now, this comes on the heels of or go back in time two, thousand, sixteen beyond say had just done her performance formation that was oh gosh to Black Panthers and celebration of blackness and black power, and that's when everybody remember that beyond say was black also sidebar this way for whatever reason we were asking meryl streep her thoughts on race, which like why are we asking Meryl Streep's thoughts on race and she had the comment well, we're all from Africa. Merrill just keep collecting your checks, keep collecting your checks. anyways. It's fascinating to listen to this conversation and see how four years later, how little has changed, and maybe it's because we're still honestly in the middle of things, but it's important to know our past and. deconstruct how different things were vilified and why that is purposely designed. We have literally been brainwashed from Grade School about what this country was and the foundations are there in all of our minds of. The white supremacy that is just so vibrant in American cultures. So it's so important for us to go back to these history lessons and unwash- brains or Washer brains out because they're filthy with white supremacy. So here we go and stick around to the end I'm going to catch you up on the. Black power mix tape, which was referencing the show and I finally got around to watching it is a must is required viewing and we'll break down some of that plus to review and sweet of the week at the tail end stick around. We'll see there. But for now, minority corner rewind history of the Black Panthers Lead Scout. Right we are back and we got okay first of all I, spill the beans about what you during the break I was working and making dinner for my friend we took a ten minute break. We took a cookie ten minutes every ten breaking and. went to go watch how to get away with murder got comfortable. I am slaving away in working and she was like, Oh damn I guess they gotta go do this podcast now was like I got a little bit of time. Let me off a little mason jar of wine. Let me get some. And by little, he means giant like, Jug Tub. It's it's amy. She's drinking like a gallon of wine. And I got my little Maui onion chips chips and I sat down and I started to get away with murder and then all of a sudden the phone rang and I was like Oh look at that time flies by because it's time to get back to work. We gotta you didn't record segment and Radhi Corner Riyadh. About how to get away with murder? 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Dark as I keep changing recording from, and now it looks it looks like the Blair witch project happening a little bit of light illuminating in space. Him On the my dad. Boyfriend that I love them very much and they just wanted to say that we're not all Africans shut up. Okay. So what I to talk about it panthers because a lot of people it was all over like the US, no US weekly, people magazine all these people are talking about how? It was such like a dynamic thing it was. So it was so daring to put this terrorist group like people are calling the by panthers terrorists which kind of pissed me aren't they the same thing as the AK right. Like I'm GonNa go against everything I can't even played corner. Just to play the devil's advocate. That when someone says I'm just playing devil's advocate just walk out the room. Actually I think we have a minority corner drinking game I think next episode we still try to see how many times can say devil's advocate to. This each other. So I wanted to get into the facts about the black panthers fact. So people can know more about the black. Panthers. Other than that. They were leatherhead Afros were berets in had guns there's more to the party. It's a good look. It's good look. You also think that maybe it was a little tribute to Michael. Jackson would-be odds day was where it was a definite tribute to Michael Jackson Super Bowl performance. He had the whole gold military craziness, right? Beyond taking it to the next level is the lady power. So I would like to point out some the timeline I'm going to read some key points in the timeline of the Black Panther party dear one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, six to nine, hundred, Sixty, eight. Wow and just let people know that got these facts from the UC Berkeley Library. So this isn't some organization with the. Purpose or your university. Terrace hate speech in that guy. You're a terrorist hate website. I went to my professors was part of the Black Panthers. One of my professors. Class with Angela Davis and she was part of the Black Panthers and Sidebar when they researching FBI was searching for Angela Davis. Two of my my aunts used to get stopped all the time Oh my God because my on my onslaught grew up in the bay area. All. The time when they were looking for. Angela. Davis. Because they had like the Afro just like her see. If you were a light skinned black woman. You've got stopped like God forbid your skin black woman who wants to wear an afro in the sixties like come on come on people they were so threatened by Angela Davis that they were trying to hunt down. She was awesome. I also was side side side Bar I was taught by a professor at UC Santa. Cruz. NAMED BETTINA AT thicker who they Know they're not together their friends. They were together because well. Let's be. Let's be honest. But what I heard she heard the first sight for that. She's an awesome woman who was an activist in the sixties in the seventies a Jewish white woman who stood alongside the black. Panthers. So let's look at those backs to so they couldn't be at all racist if they have. Tina. Beker right there in the middle of everything being awesome. That's why I always say blacks and Jews should be united everybody should be united but and I've never heard you say that this is new Tonight saying that before. Like a week ago. It's not. Wholesome that you say that you sign up on your email with that. It's Minority Corner t shirts. Say Black juice to be together and then parentheses happy. Okay. So And then parentheses everyone and everyone. So the site that I had grabbed it from the UC. Berkeley say is and I'M GONNA post this on the website. Today's check it out. It's a really good read. I'm only reading some segments from it. So if you want the whole story, check it out it's really great. They have. Recordings in clippings in all this great stuff. So it's the UC Berkeley Social Activism, sound recording project they use primary sources. Hello Librarian primary sources are the best source. It's from the Horse's mouth or from the time that it was taken straight to the source they have recordings and media sources from the nineteen sixties and Seventies. So the stuff that I'm going to be reading is just fax it stuff that was recorded during the time. Of what happened Right shall we dive in? Let's to I WANNA learn about this panther party, and so it's not about the panthers and the zoo now it's about okay. Okay this is more interesting just checking it is. A bunch of liberal panthers around apart. Opinion Party at. That sounds like fun. The Black Panthers did have one of those one time for someone's birthday a PINATA party. No, they don't think so I don't think so. And Milk. For children during their free lunch meals that they did for all the children of the bay area and how Lane New York. Maybe because all children need breakfast. And the Vipers to get that? Yes, they organized it. Oh So march seventeenth nineteen, sixty, six Berkeley police interrupted impromptu street corner poetry recital action resulting in their arrest of bobby. Seale he lied Newton in Gerald Horton charges are later jobs. So this is before the panthers were even organized. They're having a poetry recital Bobby Seale and he'll newton who are two of the leaders of the Black Panther Party having a poetry recital and police interrupts reading some poetry right? That's like a Nike. When you do mortified like if you did you know an academic poetry she called. And that's like someone going in there and like stopping you and be like. Terrorism people like like I'm reading from my journal when I was a teenager? So. Okay. There's that and then now we're going to June July nine, hundred, sixty, six, five, hundred people gather at San Francisco City. Hall. To protest anti to protest arrest of sit in demonstrations in one thousand, sixty four at the Sheraton Palace Hotel in protest. Unfair. Hiring practice. So people gathered in San Francisco to sit in fair hiring protests, right? Right. Yeah. Same time race related writing breaks out in forty three cities including Washington DC Baltimore. Atlanta in Detroit. Over thirty five hundred or are arrested and senator killed. So time it it's tough right then. And a lot of parallels to right now I was gonna say this sounds like you could have like just taking up the year and taking up the name of the group organization and it sounds like the same rights very similar to the black lives matter campaign and the folks that are shutting things down. Exactly. So October Fifteenth Nine, thousand, six, Huey P. Newton Bobby Seale and David Hiller developed the schedule skeletal outline, the organization. So this is usually the date that people say that this is when the Black Panther Party was founded they develop their. Self Defense. Ten Point Program in platform. So I'm looking through the ten point program platform of the black. Panther Party and just Kinda summarize they have we want freedom. We believe that black people will not be free until we are able to determine our destiny that sounds about right. We want full employment for people. We want the end of robbery by the by the capitalist of our black community. So. They basically are saying that the government has rubbed. US Rob Black people of an overdue debt of forty acres and two meals which black people were promised after slavery ended but we never got you didn't get yours. No No. Did you get yours now but I got a postcard saying coming soon so Yeah I got to save the day for never. Okay now. I really want that. What would you do with forty my mule named mine like Jack Jackson Mule Straight of so my meal I don't want that thing I use the land I can use the. Yeah I can make like land. So just basically their ten point things as a lot of we want decent housing we want education for people. We want they get a little radical because they they weren't all black men to be exempt from the military service but you know what? If there was a country that deemed black people not human and then enslaved us and then the really hey, can you fight for us also understand it it's radical but I get it actually know that doesn't see I know it's like fight fight well, and then we the way that we get used in the military since World War Two black people were put on the front lines and have been disproportionately been civil war. Our numbers are very high in the military. Listen number seven and remember this was in nineteen, sixty, six, number seven of the ten. Principles of the Black Panther Party. We want an immediate end to police brutality and murder a black people. So they did that happen. Did. That happen I. Actually think that it did it and that's funny. They were asking for forty years ago and we still haven't gotten that. List of things that were still looking for, and it's all of these things that brands like never get what you want for Christmas. It come on come on guys. So now I'm going back to the timeline again. So we know the principles and in none of those principles was there anything that says we hate why people yeah or saying that like our lives matter more our yeah. The black race is the superior race that was never said and any of the principal. So you know who does say that the KKK since that is superior risk with their purple. Dragons? Dragons running. Weird. Things. Oh sidebar you know it's really weird or crazy in Spain. They have the same like the there. The Catholics on their holy days they wear a very similar garb to what the k. k. where's but it's it is black, but it's Like everybody. Dressed up in these outfits, imagine get off the plane. Spun you. Don't surveys Show and it's the church. James Can I imagine when I was fourteen went on a trip to Spain during Easter break. That's exactly what happened to them. I was like what happened good serve get out of there but there are just standard. You know this has been around for years second episode of Scooby Doo and they turn their mask off. ME, which is a way for the blood of Jesus Christ. April Fifteenth Nineteen Sixty seven Black Panther united front organizers German station rally against Vietnam more at the United Nations New York. So they're against the Vietnam War. Yeah, and everybody was in the Vietnam everybody everybody all up in it may second nineteen sixty seven twenty six panthers led by Bobby Seale who another member leader of the Black Panther party were arrested in Sacramento in connection with Panther armed visit to state legislators hearing on gun control legislation. So basically, they were kind of pro. The second. amendment. Purely to protect let's protect ourselves from. Police right and that was the main thing that got everybody scared about the Black Panther party is that they literally patrol police officers with guns but to protect themselves. The police that were killing exactly. That's the main point that I want to bring up is that. It was not against citizens. It was not against anything. It was protection against the police brutality that was happening at the time and they weren't doing like again they said before my last segment, they weren't necessarily going out to attack any specific people they weren't going to know they weren't murdering people other organizations like the Katie K V specifically go out and attack and murder. Groups of people right they were just protecting against. A police state that we're in right now where we feel that we're victims of police brutality black like all of these things are coming out of a need because you had you know two hundred, your centuries of slavery you had decades of Jim, crow laws, and so all of these things are erupting out of a need for people who feel disenfranchised. Like, they need to feel protection their voice heard exactly like these things. Beyond. Saying in these groups of people just wake up one day me like. I P now. It's deep-seated in this timeline really shows it may twenty second nineteen, Sixty, seven hewing Newton response to a citizens complaint that the Oakland Police Department entered a neighborhood home without a warrant new Newton is arrested after ordering police to leave Bobby Seale attempts to bail Newton added jail and as arrested under eighteen eighty, seven law outlined gunned near jails. He Newton Newton was doing was protecting citizen from unwarranted police brutality, and then all Bobby Seale was doing was trying to bail Newton added jail row, and somehow they both are rested. It's funny that you mentioned that happening in Oakland. I actually just got this tax I. Don't know how on some sort of mass tax list or something, but did you hear about? Oakland Police Killed Herndon Jimmy Oh, and hit the video for two years. They like they killed him and they had this just got announced that this happened in Oakland two years kill them in the and we're talking about now two thousand sixteen and I'm reading a time line about nine hundred, sixty seven. This is disgusting. This is disgusting right now since. July two, thousand, six, hundred, Sixty, seven, California state legislature passes Anti Gun law prohibiting carrying of firearms in any public place or street. That's called the more I act for who because I can see a lot of people running around there got. It was highly pointed because Panther police patrols are effectively outlawed. So now what the panthers were doing was just patrolling police officers, essentially policing police officers, and then they enact. Along. To make sure that that doesn't happen October nineteen, sixty, seven mass arrest of anti draft protestors in Oakland Induction Center? So I bring this up because this is just a climate this is what's happening right now Vietnam wars happening people are protesting in just the same thing like what is been happening in all over the country people protesting in it's just shut down by police right? Tober twenty eighth nineteen, Sixty, seven Oakland police officer John Fray is killed an officer Hubert hanes wounded in a pre-dawn altercation after stopping. Huey. Newton gene mckinney. is also critically wounded. So there was a shootout. In two police officers were killed but looking at the past timeline police were aggravating the panthers and so now that to have been killed but that kind of answer, the fire and Hewing Newton has also been moved into but you'll see 'cause in November thirteenth in Oakland Alameda County Grand Jury indicts Huey Newton on charges of first degree murder attempted murder in kidnapping. So now they have him I think that's the case that Angela Davis was that's what they were trying to arrest her for two and she had nothing to do with it but they were trying to connect her because she was such a powerful speaker exactly what they're trying to connect her into the the officer shooting. January Fifteenth Nineteen, Sixty, eight David Hillard arrested for passing out leaflets at Oakland Tech. Arrested for handing leaflet for passing out leaflets, him handouts, right this is getting very pointed right now you know what I'm saying like it's like shutting me let freedom of speech is being shut down right? That is complete freedom of speech. January sixteenth nineteen sixty eight San Francisco police enter in ransacked the apartment of Eldridge in Kathleen cleaver to Black Panther members without a warrant without a warrant. There's just are invading homes without could do that I didn't know that was legal legal. That's the trick it's not legal. It's Okay. I didn't know okay I thought. But for certain people and that's what it goes back to a lot of the stuff i. mean this is the same things that are happening today in why people exactly literally we? Second class citizens where it's a different. Set of rules for different. February twenty fifth nineteen sixty, eight bobby. Seale. Rented arrested after a raid on his apartment seal and his wife are charged with conspiracy to commit. Charges. Or later drought dropped for lack of evidence. Okay. Victories. Why are they invading their houses like this is? This is a do things like that secretes. So then people will also don't want to get involved like other people in the community. Exactly. This happened before earlier in the civil rights movement as well creates a sense of doubt March fourth. This is how high because March fourth nine, hundred, Sixty, eight and FBI memo by J Edgar Hoover mandating action against. Black militant groups prevent the coalition of militant black nationalist groups in unity. There is strength black nationalist groups must be the first step towards a real Maomao, prevent the rise of a Black Messiah who wouldn't would unify and electrified the black nationalist movement. So all the way up in the FBI Edgar Hoover, they're trying to suppress the unification of black people they're terrified. They're terrified. You can tell it's gone all the way up to the. April four because they understand where the at the heart of it they understand we're all the anger truly actually comes from. Of angered but all these people are trying to do is trying to protect and provide for their own community and then being provoked for it. We just want normal life and they're trying to create normalcy by evening out the playing field. April fourth nine, hundred, Sixty, eight, Martin Luther King is assassinated and this. Tennessee. So. In the middle of all of this mass, he's assassinated almost seems like to send a message. It's you know obviously two days later, bobby Hutton who seventeen in was the first member of the Panther. Party party is killed by Oakland police following a shootout. eldridge cleaver the guy who had his house searched without a warrant yeah, is wounded. And then returned to prison for parole violation seven other panthers are arrested so This is it's just reading. This is like pain for me because it's so clear it's so clear to me that. There is a full on attack. On attack happening. So I'M GONNA jump ahead to August fifth. There's a l a shootout between police panthers to panthers or killed on the twenty fifth nineteen, Sixty, eight, three panthers or killed by Los Angeles police at a service station August. Tenth Police Raid Attack on Oakland Black. Panther Party There's And then September twenty seventh. Twenty eighth. Hugh in. Newton. Remember he was on trial. He sentenced to two to fifteen years on manslaughter conviction and then on September twenty ninth nineteen sixty eight San. Francisco police officer Michael. O'Brien Kills Panther Otis Baskin's O'Brien the police officer he's noted for wearing a gas huey but uh. Really Yeah like how blatant so Right. and. That's the last thing that I wanted to bring up because it goes on and on the first of all, I can't handle any more tell me more. discrepant into a ball and dying cry and like literally just marked the timeline of wives organization was completely shut down anywhere else think about it like it's something we had our own networks to be able to get the truth out there. There wasn't anything like bt Dash. There wasn't like we didn't have our own ways to really get the truth about what organizations was. So you just had the media, painting it into whatever fear portrayal that they want to. Everything exactly got people afraid about this like you know mosquito disease that's happening in Brazil. Twenty twenty, four hour news cycle or they're just like every now I know. Just like pumping that fear into people and so now you have all this misrepresentation and that's why I really wanted to bring it up because it's just like people aren't doing the research they're just listening to what people are telling them in when someone like beyond say decides to use the image of the Black Panthers. Invoke a terrorist mentality. It's to invoke pride because it is literally parallel to what's happening right now, and it is a part of American history where I I learned about the Ku Klux Klan in high school but I did not really learn about the Black Panthers nobody talks about the Black Panther party nobody ever talks about it especially maybe in college if you take a certain class it's like a extra thing if the extra staff you can avoid it. Again. Like these are things to discuss because it is a part of the history and to thank you for. Clearing, the air. Misrepresented right and there's so much foggy nece about people aren't normally hear about it. They'll move on with their life instead of taking a moment to just sit down research it for themselves I highly encourage it even though you may not be in school anymore do a little research to do a little digging into it and find out the facts for yourself justice. League has always always be in school don't ever stop learning. No. So exactly. To further some education I'm going to recommend to documentaries for people to go see if you want more information on the black. Panther. Power. Already you. WanNa them about the Pink Panther. James. I would love to see a movie. Documenting repeating the Pink Panther the one about the weird French detective. Let me get this out before. We go off the rail I. Just really I really think it's important that people see the black. Power mix tapes, and which is on Netflix, and then there's also the Black Yeah Angela Angela. Davis is on that mix tape I've seen clips and it goes to the it's on Netflix, and then there's also the black. Panther vanguard the revolution to great documentaries about Black Panthers goes to this link that we're going to link with. The has a time line from UC Berkeley. It has so much information. Look it up to know have your own opinion. Don't you don't just trust which regurgitate things from you know That Tony Lahar. Girl. Very terrified upset her waco dreams are crushed by beyond say she needs to read before she starts tweeting read before you tweet. That's Good I like Sarah Palin. T shirts really tweet dot dot dot Sarah Palin. So. Are you done. Can we talk about the Pink Panther Now I was talking about the cartoon and not the weird movie with that weird. Detective Guy Mistake originated from right I don't like us. So I kinda puts out there I. DON'T like Steve Martin I don't think he's funny. You heard it I know thousand remake. There was another one that was like French. Disconnects this connects to the Pink Panther because beyond n the sequel. So he was just to bring it all. That was how was beginning. It was like I'm going to get to the pink. Panther? Up Black Black, panther. There is a higher law, then the law of government. That's the law of conscious and the job of conscious is to make an conscience conscience. First of all, I struggled with saying the word conscience. Comes from sickly Carmichael one of the formidable leaders and four thinkers of the Black Panther Party. Feature Heavily in the Black Panther mix tape that an that K. recommended and I think it is absolute required viewing been on my list for the longest time but I was listening to an is our conversation about this and I'm like Oh my God I haven't seen it no longer a Netflix's but you can rent it for an easy three bucks on so many different media channels online. And it's worth at lesson you're going to spend twenty or thirty dollars for bill and tattered Milan. You can vote with your dollars, three dollars and educate yourself and support a great causing a great movement is such required viewing. Again, this is American history. It's important for us to feed our own consciousness and understanding our history and the movements because. Like neither party didn't have social media. It's about a really get their story out. It was white media controlling the narrative, and you'd have to find those other sources and I think even now we think that we know but we're really doubt. So the more information that we can get an understanding unpack what it was that they're fighting for because they're fighting for the same things that we're fighting for now and snaps the Black Panther party because that's why there are free lunches available to any student who needs any kid that needs it one in three children go hungry. So, in America or the richest country in the fucking world this out of control and and so of course, if you're feeling like, Oh, I, am anxious i. I think humor at human if you're living in today's world and didn't have some level of anxiousness and anxiety or depression, we all have generational trauma or own trauma witnessing the trauma of the world you are. So in good company with that, and the great thing is you're strong enough to take care of herself and also remain in the fight it remained vigilance and. None of us rest until there is equality injustice for everybody. This is our mission and we gladly accept it. So highly recommend. The documentary, the black power mix tape, and also mean that was brought to mind watching the black power mix tape and you just look at how the power structures were when Angela Davis was accused of a murder. She did not commit or crime that she was not connected to really and for the death penalty Nixon was the president hoover was running the FBI and Ronald. Reagan was the Governor California. fucking. And Fuck all of those guys the Hoover Dam needs to be renamed like I was a fucker who was a white supremacist and did everything he could destroy and he sort of. Black Liberation on any front and Ronald Reagan was a monster. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise between what he has done towards. People of lower economic status people with mental health issues. Gays and lesbians and the Black. Community he was a fucking monster and what Nixon and Reagan were able to do was to code their white supremacist elitist ideas into coded language. So it wasn't like you were speaking directly about black people. You could code it in. Talking about taxes or welfare and or when it comes to the gay community just not talk about them dying at all when it comes to AIDS pandemic that happen and the man ignored it for almost a fucking decades so. Fuck all those people, and we are still living with the damage and repercussions that they had created and the same with. We'll be dealing in cleaning up the damage repercussions of this current administration but we're awake and we're ready to do. So we're going to finish the job. Also watching this documentary highlights how does movement was started? It was in reaction to the legalize lynchings that were happening to the community, and there's still happening. Now we've legalized lynchings by the police departments, and as we know, even the history behind policing is rooted in white supremacy in control of black people one slavery ended once they. Weren't putting us some plantations. They're finding ways to put us in prisons, and that's still going on the war on drugs was purposeful to silence and ravaged by community justify imprisoning present imprisoning the community which it's wild when you think about it in how many people just kind of went along with it this narrative of this. Warren drugs, and you think someone with a drug issue why you're putting them in prison that's an a health issue that's an addiction issue, and it's interesting that now when you having the opioid crisis, which is mostly affecting white. Americans. Now, we're talking about mental health getting them into drug. Rehabilitation centres. Great wonderful. Let's make sure that continues to any any substance abuse issues which guy and purposely done to ravage a specific community because he has the war Vietnam that was also happening. Didn't want you know it'd be too much of an uprising in any direction especially even before that when you look at Martin, Luther King was talking about. It wasn't just moving on from black issues. He was looking to dismantle capitalism and folks were white folks were rich white folks were not about that, and so we have to be careful because they feed us this lie of complacency that we too can have a piece of the Pie. As long as you've got, you know you're you're not flexing your TV in your job then you're. Good. But how can any of us be truly good when we know that there are brothers and sisters who were sleeping out on the street or being imprisoned over some really racist bullshit laws we can't enjoy that comfort to actively yourself to be able to make sure that the lives of other people are better when I think about the black panthers arming themselves to protect themselves against. Police officers who are murdering them isn't that our Second Amendment? Right? Why is it okay for these white militias to rise up against these protesters who are protesting against injustice that's been going on in our country for centuries faithful threatened they're not the ones being murdered. and. So it's purposely designed and Ronald. Reagan even made it harder for black people to obtain guns during that time period, and again, you're seeing examples of second class treatment, a consistent fear of the black community, and we're just trying to live our free lives the taken everything from us. They've stolen everything from us. We just WanNa live our lives and they just keep harassing us in dogging us and it needs to end. And with the war on drugs, it creates this idea of his enemy other and it's like these are American citizens that they have declared war on a specific group of American citizens. Also think about the war and drugs it's like take a page Portugal's book they legalized drugs. And major people caught them mental health that they actually needed in crime went down drug abuse went down. You're taking away the shame of it. and. Here's the beautiful thing. This isn't such a radical idea good news. We live in a democracy we have the power they have tricked us into thinking that we don't we do democracy is a fulltime job and we actively accept that as well. So we're gonNA keep doing the work we're going to keep educating ourselves and others find your way that that that turns that knowledge into action again, tobacco it stokely Carmichael was talking about we have to become conscious and because it doesn't matter. What form of government we have we can slip into socialism, but if our consciousness is an awaken, then we're GonNa have the same bullshit, right so we have to become a wake in stay awake and cannot get complacent, and that's why you're here. That's why you're listening to the PODCAST. You're doing the work I have your also listening to other sources other POC voices, queer voices, voices of all intersection alleys in between those keep doing the work, the roots of white supremacy, they ring deep and. Not just the fabrics of America, but it's worldwide epidemic pandemic gross roots rotten and where it continues to dismantle it, and that comes from knowledge knowledge truly as power. So I commend you applaud you. Thank you for your. We're we're in this together. And sometimes I reminded that you know it's for a future that I might not ever see I might not ever see the promised land, but I can dream about it and I know it's possible I know it's possible to have peace and freedom inequality injustice and I might not see this I'm going to push that football further down the wall the further down the football field, the line, getting it to the touchstone field goal you know you get removing something down the road. So on this lifelong journey and commitment to equality and justice and freedom and peace because it's all about love man. So. Definitely. Check out the power mix tape. I Will South this of the heavens to carry yourself keep the knowledge going breathe. Get back in the fight Barry go running message and theme here speaking of, let's get to the review of the week. Okay. This one comes five stars title love this show by Jean Maggio and it reads I love the perspective and tone of this show. The topics feel relevant also carry an important theme, great gas and a perfect host keep it up. Well, thank you gene Maggio. It's funny. I went to school college with a gene. Maggio I've not spoken to John Sheehan like over ten years I don't know if this is Jean Mario. Hope you're doing well, whatever really appreciate the the review. You can writer review online. What is called itunes apple podcast. I don't know the apple one or wherever you listen it helps people to find the show and it just makes me feel really great. Make me feel good you make me cry with these reviews. Let's get into the tweets of the week. There were two that I want to bring attention to the first comes from at Ivan. I. Geeze Scraps Divan. says. Quoted. Shame is I. Am bad guilt is I did something bad was a quote from? Our. Last episode where quote was quitting Brown and Ivan Rights. Thank you at James Arthur. M. For sharing that quote from Brunei Brown on minority corner ahead. I heard that before and it will stick with me moving forward Hashtag canceled Culture Ya fat quote has stuck with me as while. Shame Useless Guilt Okay K. can move through that. Guilty about this and powdered do something so. then. The next one is in response to our minority corner rewind from last week. This comes from It was a conversations or read these two tweets from the first one was at nearsighted Puka they wrote. So at minority corner released a rewind episode about Chadwick Bozeman I was legit tearing up. We lost an amazing actor and then at Kelsey bought wink wrote that was such a special episode or real celebration insight as well as so glad that there was such great responses to that episode I. Know We're all sort of experiencing a lot and just wanted to celebrate that man who inspires me to this day. Another angel getting all whispering in our ear to keep doing the work and keep letting our light shine. Well, that's GONNA. Do it for this week's minority corner rewind I hope you are doing while this week had a safe Labor Day. Weekend. There's so much going on if you're in the south and there's the hurricanes going on, I hope you're listening to any of the advisories. California's I got those fires going on if was an earthquake this morning lake. Get your. Disaster Prepared Kit just ready to go. You just never know it's good to be safe. You know have a change of underwear and a bottle of water and some pants things. You don't think about in some snacks that you can just zip out. Ready to go and whatever important documents you might need because. Everyone keeps thinking like, Oh, I can't wait till twenty s over golfing like a Magic Wand GonNa happen like I, mentally prepared for a decade of work. But we're strong. We've got this. Our ancestors were strong were strong and we're going to power through because we're resilience Fox. So let's go. All right. We will be back on Friday with a brand new episode. Super excited for the guest host coming on Friday it's going to be a lovely fabulous conversation some good stuff coming up for guests. So enjoyed the we'd see you on Friday and thank you so much for listening to minority corner because together with the majority. Love y'All. Maximum, Fund Dot Org Comedy and culture artist stoned audience supported.

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ICYMI - Lupita Nyong'o on Landing the Role of Trevor's Mom

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

10:12 min | 2 years ago

ICYMI - Lupita Nyong'o on Landing the Role of Trevor's Mom

"You're listening to comedy central. Welcome. Back. Secede. Welcome back to the show. Thank you. Have you and congratulations. I've read numbers that say the Black Panthers on track right now in nine days to cross five hundred million dollars. You as over the moon as everyone else. That's watched the movie. Yeah. Probably a little higher. Yeah. No. It's amazing. Amazing. What this film has been able to do. I mean, we could not have predicted this. You know, not only the box office is quite handsome. But you know, the effect. It's having on the world. I mean for the first time I've seen people paying for other people to go see the movie and things like that. It's become this community effort. And that is incorrect. It really has connected with people on a level beyond just a superhero because when you start with the basics this movie is an amazing. It's an amazing model film, as a superhero film, but you dig into it, and you see that this room is doing something that people seem to have been longing for a long time. And that is showcasing different faces showcasing different people was that something you accomplish. When you were making the movie that you like, oh, this feels different this feel special while you're making it. Oh, yeah. For sure from the very start. When Ryan walked me through the story. I was just like oh my goodness. This is something that I wanna see this is some. This is a dream. Come true. You know, that we get to have a superhero that's African and he's he's fly. He's bad asses. Intelligent. He's got women all around him. That are also bad. The women. I think that's that's that's the interesting part of the story for me is is I won't spoil anything for anyone. But the women in this film on't like it's not women that are on the side. It's not women that are subservient. It's not. It's like no these women are kicking us in different roles. And the rule individuals. They will you play. I would say the love interest and the inspiration in many ways to China when you were playing this character. What were you trying to convey what we try to give us when you playing your character? Well, I think what a Ryan really wanted to tell tell a different story about about love in these kinds of John was usually the the love interest is being pursued. And she's one at the end, and she's quite the B plot ROY doesn't effect on like the main story and Ryan really wanted to free us of that. And show us a different look at what what it means to be in a relationship and have agency in that relationship. So, you know, it's not your average love story Kia has her life going on as well as her love, and that's such a refreshing image and also to see a positive image of black. Relationships where? Yeah. Where the men the man is present the man is is interesting in what the interested in what the woman has to offer man relies on the woman. The woman supports the man, you know, that kind of healthy relationship, and where you can argue about and really tussle with real issues and help each other achieve your goals outside of just your personal intimate steak. Right. There were a lot of people who were history. Buffs people who study African culture who said what they love this Black Panther felt like it was a tip of of the hats to African culture as it was intended. Where people were equal even though it was a patriarchal society where people were going like, no, no, no women served a different role at some point women had more in different cultures. Yeah. When you played your character. And when you have the Niagara who's also mazing in the story, you guys a bad ass. And there's a scene that touches on something. I thought it was a room. But I found it is true. That was. No one had straightened hand the movie. No one had you have that. It was like. Curling? What was that? So important isn't something. That's important. Well, I think it goes back to what is innate Louis considered beautiful on the continent. You know, before the adamant took the white man black people on the continent doing all sorts of things with their hair. Right. So the idea of extensions and all that that is not new, but the kind of shaming or rejecting of kinks and curls is new and that did come with the white, man. Right. And so in the story while Conde's country, that's never been calling is they don't know the first thing about the white world. And so they embrace themselves. They embrace themselves. They have their own sense of what is beautiful and their own sense of tation. And that's why you don't see any straight hair, and you feel people connecting with this movie in a in an authentic and also I wanna say like like a beautiful way because it's not it's not anti anything. It's just. Pro's pro it's enjoying being blacks enjoying all different aspects of being black. I've noticed people in the streets becoming what Condon's? Oh, yeah. Which is like ROY ROY for instance, went out to a foot lock. And then when he was done the guy was like have a good day, brother. People have doing this now on the streets. People have you noticed any of them my God yet yet? So yesterday, I took a walk in such a beautiful day yesterday in New York. And so I was undercover and I took a walk to the park and I came across this group of teenagers, and they were all barking like back. So they were like a gorilla gorilla tribe. That's powerful epic. Like who who exactly and they were doing that? And I was just so amused giggling to myself, and they were like, oh my God one of them hadn't seen the movie. And they're like, you gotta see the movie that we can make mean. Yeah. It was incredible isn't a little bit strange. Were you you were in twelve years a slave, right? People would come up to you and be like all the Peter that was amazing fantastic portrayal. And now, you're in what was supposed to just be a superhero movie, but it feels like for this movie people you the deepest questions about blackness African culture and fix every single problem that black people face will you will fix the earth of the pasta is little bit overwhelming and lopsided free. Surely is and I thought okay, I twelve save in the kinds of questions I got with that word deep, and you know, I had to almost like study before I did my press tour and then with this. I was like this is easy is just superhero movie just talk about like lifting weights or something. But then the questions are extremely deep and people are really relating to this on a very level. I feel like I need a PHD just like quest and rights, and you did you did lift weights though, you just talk about. Oh, you didn't. If you like you you train? How many months did you train to fight for was? Well, it was I was training for about four months before hand to hand combat. Well, first of all just in New York conditioning writing my body ready for boot camp and bootcamp was six weeks before we started filming and we'd train first of all it's hard to. We was like four hours a day. And then I was like bonking I was so tired, and then I was going to buff. And so they had to take it down to two hours a day and. Black Panthers in this movie. The pizza. Yeah. I mean, I had to 'cause I couldn't fit in my clothes after little while. Right. 'cause my my ours would just like stones. And I was like, okay. This was not the idea. I don't need to take more of the screen, you know, and that's just like tone it down. I I would be remiss if I let you go without speaking about music came out yesterday. Apparently, you agreed to produce and star in a film about a young South African boy and has mother. First of all I wanted to say, thank you. I mean, when we when we first spoke about the book as a concept you like I love this book. I love the story. I love everything about it's. Well, you know, you're not telling the truth because the truth is I was on the set of Black Panther. And I got the book, I pre-ordered it got it. I read it. And I sent you an Email, and I said Trevor, please would you do me the honor of letting me play your mother. I was like, I don't know if it'll work out. And then she sent me a pick her muscles. I was like, that's my mom. You can do I'm excited. Thanks for everything. You're doing Black Panthers. Amazing. You phenomenal. We'll see here again five hundred million dollars. It's going to be a billion dollars. We'll see in the secrecy and everything. In theaters. Now the Pete on your way. The daily show cover. No. Here's a digital wants of weeknights at eleven ten central on comedy, central and the comedy central watchable episodes and videos at the daily show dot com. 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Systemic Exhaustion

In The Thick

37:37 min | 1 year ago

Systemic Exhaustion

"So many of US encounter. The state is sort of physical form through the police. For many of us it is isn't violent encounter. Welcome to in the big. This is a podcast about politics, race and culture from appeals see perspective. And I'm happy today while take what? You you know. Joining us from Washington DC this why I'm happy is because Karen She's the global opinions editor for The Washington. Post is new to the show and she's joining us from Washington DC welcome Karen. Hi thanks for having me excited. Are there snacks? She's already families. She's already family. Joining us is part of the family. It all-star Dr Christina greer associate professor. Political Science at Fordham University and Co host of the PODCAST Faq. NYC what up Chrissy. Chrissy, you're joining us from Dover. Delaware where you're spending a lot of time with birds right? Yes, indeed very happy. You guys. This is extraordinary I mean. I still keep on thinking like we're making it through a pandemic, and now we're actually living through an uprising revolutionary uprising something that is real in terms of hope for change. But there's also so much pain particularly for the black community. So before we get into the politics of the moment I just wanted to do a quick temperature. Check with both of you Chrissy, A. WE'RE GONNA start with you so like. How're you doing? How are you feeling? What's your temperature? Check yet? Temperatures actually pretty good. In the sense that I recognize all going on and recognize the anguish, I am filled with this overwhelming sense of gratitude, just because of my family and friends have relatively been safe during covert, I'm always pretty optimistic, just because I teach young people and they. Just give me inspiration and also pretty clear about like I don't worry about things that I can't control I. don't do well with uncertainty, but I've been working on the fact that like I'm certain that these are uncertain times, and they that gives me some sort of solace, but I feel like I'm doing. What my toolbox allows me to do. I'm just kind of listening in trying to be helpful in the ways that I know how to be helpful. So whether that's donating to organizations whether or not that speaking out on podcast to help contextualized. Checking in with young people to make sure that they have the energy in the tools to to keep fighting, so it's a rough time, but I'm also. You know. Is it harder than anything? Our grandparents endured no. So I feel very prepared. I feel prepared in my DNA and feel prepared intellectually and I feel prepared with my community. That I've chosen to call friends and colleagues so I I'm not freaking out. About the whole thing I feel prepared I. Think I'm going to kind of incorporate. You're going to be like I'm quoting you in Trademarking Matt. How about how about you are you feeling? Prepared or are you feeling like you need to get some berets and? Read up on Angela Davis Black Panthers. Oh, man I mean I actually. My sort of. Like intellectual black feminist bad acid choices, Audrey Lord and I've been reading. H Yeah I've been reading a lot about the uses of anger and channeling anger into action and into you know a concerted effort, I also too few lake. In some ways, this idea that like struggle and pain and trauma is in our DNA is sort of precisely the reason why so many of us who? Lives, but at the same time I mean man I come from Star, come from my mother awarded Fiji Van and I do martial arts of hobby like I feel like I come from fighters. People have been through a lot and I. Just feel right. Yeah, and I'm not playing like I. Wish I, only have two hands had multiple hands. There's a lot more people who catch watch commander. Octopus! I'm just wired. Sweetie! You don't even know what what time was my boxing class this morning? I was boxing with my with my teacher on zoom so with you, we. Already I think for me to certain extent. It is it was a very pregnant? Moment in the sense that they're fuels. A lot of possibility for change simply because you know. Maybe, it's because of the pandemic, and because people don't have their normal distractions, dobbs to go to the next morning, but it feels like this is the main show, and maybe maybe it feels like a little bit of the burden. It's somewhat is off of us in protesters in the sense that. Is True White folks at least in this moment? We're saying I get. It I'm sorry. What can I do and that? That is sort of that is affirming I feel like I can't really dismiss that at the same time as I. Keep saying, you know, we've been fighting against systemic racism for a long time, but I can't really remember a time when every single sector of society under a microscope like everybody is now like seeing also like. Exhaustion later journal I mean and tag in Macadamia. The threads from authors you were talking about. How little they were paid for the books like I think we are just. Fed Can I curse hell? Yes, we were waiting. We're just fed up like this. Shit is hiring like. My Mom, my mom's you, yeah! My Mother's arrest like is from Nigeria Nigeria from Yana and lake. She's she's never really talked about a lot of stuff like she's just kind of like. You know just work hard. Go to get along. Just keep going nowadays. She just like burning down. This country is racist. Is irredeemable like it. Is it just burn it all down? Again and So the awareness, even amongst immigrants normally take a distance from this I'm just I'm I'm tired but I'm also like wired man. Let's do the. Wire, carrying, you know. She said he said something like there's a Hashtag now going on twitter. Call Black in the ivory, and is about black academics, talking about all the shit that we've experienced, you know from Grad School from getting a job from being assist professors and moving to associate professor level with tenure, and some texted me this morning and say you know. Hey, you haven't posted anything about that. Because I have stories for days and I was in this moment. I actually don't want to unearth all that. Because I, reme- it's going to be a distraction you. Tired. I WanNa, stay I WANNA say wired in that will actually take me to a place of like non-productive, and you WanNa stay you WANNA. Stay prepared like what you're saying but listen. This is the part that. you know we've been recording last couple of weeks and Monday Marta weeks since Minneapolis police kill George Floyd. whose funeral was on Tuesday in Houston? His murderer is what has propelled people in every state in the country, and in over a hundred and fifty cities around the world to take to the streets to call for justice, and not just for George Floyd, but for all black lives stolen by police brutality. And despite the police attacks towards protesters, more and more people have taken to the streets so this past weekend. This historic moment to defend black lives had some ten thousand people marching. To thousands in the streets of L. A.. And thousands of New York City. Spell race. Take. Two people came out, and I want to quote from Geno worth them this way and one of her latest for the New York Times quote this is the biggest collective demonstration of civil unrest around state violence in our generations memory, the unifying theme for the first time in America's history is at last black lives matter so our producer Nicole Rothwell covered the protests in Brooklyn and Manhattan over this past weekend, and our Latino rebels summer correspondent on Lucille Moody was reporting from the streets of DC and we're GONNA. Take just a moment to listen to a few of the protesters. That Nicole and Ana Lucia's spoke with to hear from organizers themselves, so I we hear from Mighty Jose Bernard who Nicole spoke to at a protest, led by the parents from the Ella Baker School in Manhattan, and we've talked about the legacy of Ella Baker on one thousand before. She's a civil rights legend who did so much organizing for the black community. This protest brought out parents, their kids and teachers who marched around the school, demanding justice for black lives. After the March, the group gathered in a circle in front of the school, opening it up for anyone who wanted to speak, and this is when Marie, who is a grandmother of student, and whose daughter helped organizes protests. She stepped forward and dropped some truth. Only. Marie is from Haiti. She's lived for decades here. She's a special education teacher at a high school in the South Bronx. And here's what she told our producer Nicole yeah racism issue every day. My son's going out I have to tell them be careful that. Whatever it is you just have to, and this cannot be a way of life I mean you know I came here when I was on nine years old now sixty two. Was it that I've been in this country so many years and nothing has changed. Because this thing leaves the pain inside of you and every time. One of these things happen just opens it up again. Your wounds open over and over. Okay so these are the types of things that we need to talk about someone. Time came from college to visit me and he was stopped by the police and they told him he looked like someone that committed a crime. He said let me see the pictures, and he said No. We don't have a continuous and say how do you? How do you know the jumped them? All the crops jumped him broke his arm and everything. You know then this resisting arrest. There's just like when you go through these things and you realize how dirty these things are. How corrupted the system is we need? To See Change. And in my grandkids right now, who are afraid to go out on the going to die, but the uncle's going to die if he stepped out. Today says it. The police arrest us. We had to reassure them. That is peaceful and we have a right to do it, so you're GONNA go. Let the adults Louis Good. You See. He's only eight years old. What else y'all what kid has given that probably none? Okay so it's. It's something we have to talk about. It needs to change. Today means that. My work is worthwhile. Being able to pass on the baton to my grandkids. My daughter that I know what I'm going to have to discern that it tells you that I've done something right, so it's really good to see that the seat that you saw somehow is coming to fruition so Chris E. I mean you're an educator. This notion of educators how they communicate what's going on and also the point about intergenerational protesting? What are? Are Your thoughts. I mean who and when you see this happening places, I can schools like in in in in New York I think some of my best memories are some of the protests that went to as a child and I do think that it creates a foundation within your spirit to constantly be aware of a world and a series of injustices that may not touch you directly, but you should always. Always keep your eye out on I think was so unique about this moment, besides this is the backdrop of pandemic I have to say like I love the fact that so many hundreds of thousands of people coming out to express themselves and to be in solidarity I do worry a lot, though that we are still in the middle of a pandemic and love shoulder to shoulder, marching and chanting and no mask. Mask wearing and I really do think about. Let next communities who been hit really hard coded, and how in two to six weeks we might see some of ticks in a positive cases like that. That actually does way on me to be quite honest. Know what I gotTA. Tell you though Chrissy because I was out covering the protests on Saturday. That started here in Harlem actually at the Frederick Douglass Statue. I was paying close attention to this and I. Have to say. The only time I saw people without masks I may have seen toddlers, maybe a couple, or when people were taking off their masks to drink water or something like that, but other than that. Almost, every one I saw was wearing a mask. I don't know exactly like pictures I've seen from Philly because I've seen from DC, and Baltimore and you know all across the country. It's a mixed bag to say nothing of like many police officers aren't wearing masks mass defiance so. That's just one angle of. Some some agenda that I have but I'm I'm always say. Oh my God. But I do think that you know someone who has the honor and the privilege to teach the youth of America. It always makes me feel good to see young people. Saying this is our country. I think they get the fact that some people are generation didn't which is, we thought that okay? Oh, it's a democracy. It's working pretty well. Let's put it in a frame. Put It on wall. Look at it and admire it and pat ourselves on the back. We attain democracy and I think young people recognize that it is a daily. Leagues that they have to be a part of because if not I mean keep in mind, I'm teaching generation Z.. They know that they will probably not have a job when they graduate from college. They know that they're going to be in debt. They know their parents are already in debt. They're seeing their parents lose their jobs. They're like we don't have nothing probably not even have social security so like. That's why I think they're so creative. I think that's why they're passionate and I think that's why they're like. Some of these institutions that uphold the status quo have to be dismantled or burned to the ground or thrown in the river as we saw in Belgium. Because that's the only way we're actually going to have some sort of American dream whatever that is. So Look Lucia Maria. Are, Latino rebels, reporter for the summer gotten touch with one of the protesters who's been marching in organizing in DC? His name is Eddy support with that. He's a thirty four year lawyer from Puerto Rico. He lives in Alexandria, Virginia. And he'll said to our reporter that when he saw the video of George Floyd being murdered that he got angry, and that this anger took him to the streets, and that this has made him think about the role Latinos. Need to play in this movement we you know US Latino community. You know we don't want to take out the spotlight from what is happening right now to the black Americans. We want to have slowly varity with that. We understand them and I will say police other people. That they're black nurses like that Latinos. We suffered the same thing. You know we're really oppress here and we can see if somebody social, but it has happened for a long time, even like for reckons you know that we have an added problem of these relationship with the United States that he's a colonial one that goes for more than a hundred years I personally feel it. You know a lot because we personally. I'm not an advocate for. For more sovereignty and independence for three zero and my ancestors, my family, that's for dad and and US or self. You know we have been persecuted for those beliefs by the United States, so we feel the pain of the Black American community I'm an me percents when when I'm going through the process, you know I'm basically in solidarity with Black Americans, but I think like all Latinos Native Americans African Americans. Haitians you know. We should know what is. And and we should be there like solidarity, because we suffered the same thing, so one of the things that's happened. Carrying Chrissy is that it's deepening the conversation about anti blackness within the Latino Latina community, a man also looking at our own roots of our own African roots in Latin, America Secure and one thing that has been talked about throughout this movement is performed allies ship, and some people might be like what performance of gay so what is performed live ally ship, and how do different non black communities go beyond? Just, saying well, you know, it's not me to actually become an anti-racist. I liked that she said specifically anti-racists, and that it's not enough to just be non-racist rains when you say ally. Even if you look at it from like a geopolitical sense, I don't know, take like NATO, or something like that it means that when one of your allies attacked. You are going to mobilize, and you're gonNA pull your resources. You'RE GONNA go to battle for them. And with them you know bodies on the line, and I think this issue of particularly with the social media like this issue of performance ally ship comes into play and probably the largest social media example. We saw last week of black. Tuesday I remember just waking up and seeing a whole bunch of black boxes on my. And I was like what's going on and my black friends also were posting it and I was like what is y'all doing and they were like. We're not sure, but it's. Yeah, and I just had a weird feeling about it from the jump to me, too. I was like I. Don't understand why. Why would we do this at a time when we need to be communicating and hearing precisely black voices? Horror so. I guess the story is that it was originally supposed to be for the music industry for why allies actually like pause there like outplay and to give space. For or user space rather to post resources about black people like just to like not be silent, but instead signed the messaging that mixed up and people thought like. Oh, it may. It means that you log out for the day, and it's like what is like more against the spirit of black lives matters, which was a social media movement precisely because we were visible on social media because you were using a Hashtag to communicate, it doesn't make sense and it ended up being counterproductive so much so that the brands got in on the action. They've not an easy to just post on. It and I was done when the Washington football team with. Has I. don't use the name don't of. But we know. We know the name and they jumped on the ball. Light I saw that. I would kick this tweet in the throat like down the stairs like that's when you know you've lost the plot. When is your brand? That has been so comfortable in perpetuating rape negative stereotypes so much show that it slurs. Its name can hop onto this trend that means that like you're trend. Ain't doing what you thought it was going to be doing. cannot talk into black people about like. What do you need what can i? That is going on in in pockets and stuff. Obviously a lot of us are getting. Lately, Are? Over got him so sorry for like people. Can Get you starbucks and. I'd rather have. Than the other am I right. Yeah I know Karen do that amazing. White ally voice. Where I was like dance, oh, sorry. Do Karen, you have been killing it in terms of your writing so I really want to just point out this one particular column that you wrote about her. Yes, which basically was your piece of how the United? States would report on this. If they were reporting about this uprising in another country, so it's the voice of an American journalist reporting on this happening in someplace else. Yeah, I'M GONNA. Do My best satire read. so you write. And I'm quoting. The country has been rocked by several viral videos, depicting extra judicial executions of black ethnic minorities by state security forces. Uprisings erupted in the northern city of Minneapolis, after a video circulated online of the killing of a black man George Floyd after being attacked by security forces agent. Trump took to twitter, calling black protestors, thugs and threatening to send in military force. Sure we get it that black people are angry about decades of abuse and impunity said Gee Scott fits in Minnesota and member of the white ethnic majority. But going after a target crosses the line. Can't they find a more peaceful way like? Silence Yeah really like. I love the I love the notion of the northern city of Minneapolis. I mean it's true I mean. Viral videos of extra judicial executions of black ethnic minorities by state security forces. Factual so Karen. There's been a lot of conversation. Also shout out to the New, York Times journalists who got what's his name, the? Opinion page editor who had to resign because event. Yeah, that Guy see so there's a lot of conversation about the power of black journalists in particular right now in this moment, especially in terms of being on the front lines and covering this so. So all well and good, but there are lots of challenges that come with it. So what's coming up for you? I'm really like even the piece that I wrote. Like I'm very particular about that. Language is a battlefield in a way and how how we describing think that's a large part of you know I. Don't do those satires often. Honestly, the last time I did that were felt in so much despair. That, I feel like I. Can only laugh at at the trauma was wrong after Charlottesville. And in those pieces at the time at least I was like well, the international community is trying to sound the alarm, the trying to do something and this time with the pandemic and with just. The killings! I was just like the international community is given up on America like they don't know what to do. Nobody cares anymore because there's just so used to our issues in our problems, and so I think for me like. I'm very conscious like when I say extrajudicial killings because that's how he described other countries. Very I'm very conscious when I say you know state security agents. That's how scribe other countries so even when you talk about, tear gas. I mean technically it's a chemical agent. Right so wrecked imagined. It hits different when you say state forces deployed chemical agents to disperse civilians. It's different and very conscious of having words hit people, so you know when people talk about diversity inclusion I hate those words now they meet nothing and on right now. Decades since the civil rights movement. I still say we're still working on desegregation de facto segregation later we're we're still working on integrating our newsrooms, and I mean what we're seeing now from the New York, times issue to the Philadelphia Choir the finalists virtual walkout, and also leading to. Remember senior leadership resigning because of that headline buildings matter to like. What in the hell anyway. But. Literally. Who voted, and then who allowed it to go to print? It has a pastor is just absolutely insane and absurd. There's something quite dark to me about the casual dismissal. Of Black Lives Matter of course you know they're. They're hopping on that and basically saying it's almost tastic gets almost got this cavalier nece to quitting inanimate objects to human lives. There's something quite dark to me about that. They're just proving the dehumanisation. Right that by doing trooper interim. Say it so. And I think that's a question, not only you Karen, but Chrissy in general, not only black journalists, but particularly black women, talking about being in the moment in the context of civil rights in the black lives matter movement. What are your thoughts about that? Because I, also feel like black women are at the front of this in a Lotta ways, Chris Black Black Women at the front. Front of everything. We're the canaries in the mine I mean. We can look at the black women and civil rights movement and see all that they did I think that you know it's not surprising. That black lives matters founded by three black women. You know we obviously have to include black. Queer women in the discussion and Black Trans Women now in the discussion of leadership. And I think that it makes a lot of people very uncomfortable that these new movements don't have a clear concrete male leaving and that's very destabilizing for some people, because so much of black organizing has been through the church the church. And it's been a very strong black leader that has been able to to the face in the voice of movement, but that's not the case. All right, so let's move on to our final segment which we call seen had US or basically. As Best I would say noble shit that would be. My mother would say no sheet. So there were chance calling out black lives matter, but there's this growing demand to defunding abolish. The police something that might not have even been discussed six months ago or seemed to radical. The Minneapolis City Council is promising to disband its police and create a new system of law enforcement on Friday protesters in Minneapolis demanded to know if mayor Jacob pray would defend the police. Take we have a yes or no question. Yes, or no, who? You committed defunding Minneapolis apartment, phoebe. What S we? Because it's it's. It's important that we actually. got. His reelection next year. Next. Guess what the fuck. OFF I, don't know if he's going to get reelected in La Mayor. Eric Garcetti said that one hundred, two hundred fifty million dollars in cuts to the LAPD. Would be reinvested into the community in new. York Bill de Blasios says he's committed to. It cuts at the NYPD, but didn't give specifics. We would like some. But at the NYPD it's been six years since Eric Garner's murder by the police on Staten Island. He was selling just single cigarettes. That was his crime. The chokehold that killed him is still legal in New York so reforms do take a long time and you know the impact. We'll see so. No bullshit is abolishing the police possible. I don't know if it should happen. And when we say defend the police, I don't WANNA s police department. We've seen that in other nations when people report, that's how corruption starts, and that's people. Start cracking skulls even more. Shakedowns so I think we need to have a better clarification. defunding certain specific policies within the police that cost US money and that kill black people and let next people disproportionately for no justifiable reasons. That's a different conversation than life. Let's just take all the money away or take a percentage of their budget away. I think we should take the budget away. Yes, you don't need tanks. You don't need AK47's. You don't paramilitary equipment that you use. On on nations across the world, that's another question as to whether or not, we should even be using that materials on other nations across the world but I. think that the just the slogan of define the police. I need a real specific. Get rid of no knock warrants. Get rid of you. Know very specific artillery that is used in foreign interventions because we know that poor police departments are under resource police departments where people feel lagged. They deserve more, but they do where they don't a worries me because I don't want people essentially robbing citizens we've we've seen the many of these police. Officers have no scruples have no morals. We know that we have a problem with the infiltration points, premises and our police departments. Departments across the country and my colleague Jason Johnson not only do. We have a problem with infiltration. We have a problem with some of them are being actively recruited, so I need that money to be refocused on, you know sort of mental health services social health services. It doesn't necessarily need to be in a police department, but I've also heard from women who were like well. I do want to nine one one by just in case. Let. What happens if I needed night? One, so abolish police for you is also something where you're like not having any, we can re imagine it. I'm not I. Don't think that we can't imagine that you know, but it needs to. If we're going to break down that institution. I want us to be collective and how we rebuild it because I don't want us to just rebuild the same thing under a different name. It has to be a holistic experience. I got you I. Feel Alright and I'm not exactly sure that we're there. I hope we will lose their, and we'll move there quickly, but I am very weary and very. Skeptical of like okay, we'll abolish it. It's like well if we're going to build some structure that just is the same structure. Just a different aim. People are congratulating themselves. Don't that either at the same time carrying this notion that abolish the police actually like part of the lexicon that we're using right now is kind of extraordinary, so no bullshit. Would you think about this notion? Abolish the police. I mean it's incredible that we're even talking about this I. Mean I feel like my kind of social justice wack. Consciousness was awakened by reading like Angela Davis. and. The notion of abolishing the prison system and the prison, industrial complex, and the of Cardinal. State, and how so many of US encounter the state in its sort of physical form through the police in for many of us it is, it is a violent. Encounter. And so I. Think maybe it's because of the pandemic maybe. This idea that we're expanding our political imagination in a way about what a society what safety means right like. Can we imagine different ways that we can keep communities safe, and yeah, maybe that means. Transferring millions I can't remember I think I saw somewhere that I don't know what the Nypd Police Department is, but it's it's. These are the cops you know. The power rangers on the streets. WHO ARE OUR REPORT? You are abusing us and there's no there's there's little to no accountability and who have. The police unions you have an extreme amount of political power, and yet you know what has been defended education healthcare I mean in the sense of just you know those sort of fundamental pillars of a healthy society with opportunities for people, not getting support I mean I think it's amazing that it's no longer radical. Maybe part of it I hope people think about this is how maybe even the coronavirus and US having to change. Our lives overnight has perhaps. Expanded the possibility of a different world after all this which you know, I'm not I'm not mad at I mean we're still early early days. We're only two weeks into this, but that's where the conversation is going. I think everyone is steaming. You know it's not just your floyd like you've seen all those videos of like cops just pushing senior like I think for way. Folks seem like White Folks Kimberlites. By police. A lot of them are like Oh my God. And this is what we're seeing on on tape. And so I think having to a certain extent, our allies lake. Taking the fire from our state forces I think yeah, like people are like know what? Like this is a cold. This is an officer friendly. It's a good conversation to have. I like that this isn't officer friendly. No, it's not now. Thank you so much to Karen Attiyah Global Opinions Editor for The Washington Post and ITT. ALL-STAR DR Christina Greater. Associate professor political. Science at Fordham University. Thank you so much for joining me and Julio. In the thick I love being with both of you. This is fine, much needed money Horsa, and I'm. Rela we're going to end today's show. circling back to the protests that Nicole covered at the Ella Baker School in Manhattan. And before they marched the grandparents, parents and teachers and students sang LS Song which is written by the fabulous Dr Bernice Johnson Reagan and performed by sweet honey in the rock. 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Introducing: The Frost Tapes

History Vs.

03:10 min | 10 months ago

Introducing: The Frost Tapes

"Can't you see what's happening now on the American scene, we've allowed ourselves to be so divided. No, one can disagree anymore without hating I've not to exit via back America. I know something about the crime of science. It's funny. Isn't it that there aren't any women? In. The executive positions of this company I. Think It's been regrettable that you've chosen to attack personalities rather than problems. The most important thing in our country is. Is. Maintaining low and all of them the liberal says, racist bashes hate month. All. Of those quotes was said to Man David Frost one of the most legendary TV interview as at the Twentieth Century He was also my dad, what would you say is most Americans main fear main hope that this man. I'm Wolfer Frost and these other frost tapes. That recorded over ten thousand interviews in his life but much of his early work from the sixties and seventies had been lost for a generation. Until now. During that period dance sat down with the most influential Americans Gloria Steinem, Roger Ailes, caress go King Robert, F, Kennedy, Huey Newton, and Jesse Jackson to name a few and of course, his most famous interview with Richard Nixon. So what in a sense you're saying is that? There are certain situations where the president can decide that it's in the best interest of the national something and do something illegal. Or when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal. By definition exactly. The more I rediscovered data tapes from that period I couldn't believe the parallels to today on this podcast. You'll hear from Dad's conversations with. Black Panthers would you like to discourage violence if you could Yes I want very much to discourage it. But I, kind of discourage it in the face of oppression I'd be a fool to do that presidential candidates I. Think it's really sort of balls the national purpose. Almost the sole of the country media I comes is it possible for huge things to be? concealed. Yes, I. Think it is. I think this is the job of the press to uncover as much of that as we possibly can to be sure that these things aren't concealed and women's rights pioneers but I tried to show some of the moments of truth when you suddenly think that's me too. You won't find these interviews anywhere else. So Join Me Wilfred Frost, as we turn back the clock on the frus tapes. Sorry but I want to say something about the Mitchell. Off Air yes. which is something that has been said. Listen to the frost tapes on the IHEART RADIO APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Into the Philadelphia D.A.s Office

Into America

19:37 min | 1 year ago

Into the Philadelphia D.A.s Office

"In the south confederate monuments have come tumbling down. Meanwhile got less attention. But in the middle of the night. Miles north of the Mason. Dixon. Line in the city of Philadelphia. Another. Monument Got Hardaway. It's a bronze statue of a legendary Philadelphia figure named Frank Rizzo. Rizzo was a B.. Cup in the nineteen forties became police commissioner in Nineteen, sixty seven and served two terms as mayor in the seventies. Rizzo was notorious law and order man, he and his police department became known nationwide for tally and racism. Here, he is in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, seven from an NBC News report. You Act, properly we act properly. You'll get tough. We get tougher. And that's the answer I know of no other way to do it. He once said if the prison's overcrowded if we need more prisons. Let's build them. Frank Rizzo's legacy still cast a long shadow over the city of Philadelphia. which by the way is my adopted home? But these days the city is known for a very different approach to criminal justice. We really are a danger to the status quo. Mad love of mass incarceration. We really are we should be. Amtra mainly. This is into America. Today. I talked with Philadelphia district. Attorney Larry Crasner, the city's top prosecutor. He's one of several days elected across the country, recently one of reform the system from the inside. Crasner has had to contend with the resistant police union known as the F. O., p. or the fraternal order of police judges who reject his recommendations and now a deadly spike in gun violence. And there's that long shadow of Frank Rizzo. Rizzo used to make jokes about how many liberals we're GONNA jump off the bridge into the river. He'd be a rich man. If you get a quarter for everyone. Who did that when he got elected. Used to say things about Black Panthers, Black Panthers should be strung up. By the law I mean one of his favorite phrases was S- couple of Capo, which means break the head. He was known to show up at formal events, wearing a Tuxedo with his baton police baton stuffed into Cummerbund I mean that's what we're talking about. Is this basically neo-fascist larger than life figure and the truth is even though he passed away in. I guess it was nineteen ninety one. His Long Shadow has really been messing with the city forever. It is still Frank Rizzo's voice. That is telling you know the F. o. p. what to do, it's not a modern voice in that regard because the union itself is controlled by its retired members. And a lot of great cops, great current decent cops and plenty of decent retirees as well, but they're really not the voice you hear coming from the Police Union. It's a national problem and in Philadelphia. Frank Rizzo in particular really doesn't body that brutality, and that racism and I am absolutely thrilled. His statue was going. You came into office in two thousand seventeen, and there are a number of other really progressive district attorney's across the country who also were elected and I always wonder what happens when a progressive DA comes up against a spike in gun, violence or a spike in crime right now, Philadelphia shootings are up thirty one percent homicides twenty percent. How do you negotiate the space? Well, you know it's complicated I. Mean let's be honest and there tends to be tremendous focus on gun violence, sometimes to the exclusion of other crimes. I mean for example this year. VIOLENT CRIME IS ACTUALLY DOWN IN PHILADELPHIA. Overall and that's a category that includes Thomas is include shootings. We've had remarkable decreases in rapes over the last three years. And you know, but I don I'm not in no way of trying to minimize how serious it is to have this level of gun violence shootings homicides. I think some. Some of the factors that are in play are that they are far fewer witnesses on the street right now that the young people who were involved at one end of the gun or another a lot of them don't believe they're gonNA live to be thirty, and so they're not wearing masks, and they're not staying home and a lot of other people who are more cautious or wear masks and stay at home so therefore what you're seeing a self selecting group of people who are out in the street. Maybe more able to do what they were doing before because there are not these witnesses you know if they are looking for someone. Let's just say to retaliate for some reason. If they're looking for that person, there aren't restaurants opened. There aren't stores open. There aren't a whole lot of places where that person is liable to be other than eventually at home, so the capacity to lurk outside of somebody's home to wait until the car. Car they recognize pulls up to jump out and to injure or kill. That person is somewhat greater than it is normal times. It's rampant around the country, even cities that have seen big advances for example Chicago, where my friend Kim Fox's, the DA saw a very significant reduction homicides and shootings over two years only in the pandemic to see it. Go back up again New, York City. We're seeing a significant spike in in gun violence. You know it's a difficult space because. In. Criminal Justice has been much more about emotion and fear. Then let's say what happens in medicine. You know nobody says Dr Fao. Chief caused a pandemic, but when it comes to this particular field especially if you stand for something that has changed that looks like progress when bad things happen, it turns out. It's all your fault. But when more bullets are hitting bodies in those bodies are hitting the streets. It does become kind of a political issue. And how do you respond to this actual moment? I mean I. Think one of the things you do. Is You do without she? Would you tell the truth you know? The truth is at poverty, equals bullets, and poverty has always equalled bullets. The truth is we haven't dealt with poverty. You know we haven't dealt with all kinds of things and in many ways, the criminal justice system has caused this problem. Because when you break people, you break their communities and you. You break their families, so we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that a lot of this is deeply systemic. It's structural when we look to the pandemic. Though it is obvious as we look around the country that there is this sharp spike and I think we you know some of what's going on. Here is the desperation that is economic, the desperation that relates to unemployment we are also talking about. About a situation in which the truth is, our country is more flooded with guns than ever was before. That has clearly been a pattern that's continued from from two thousand fourteen, which was a national low point before a lot of violence including gun violence. Till now we the same situation happening with drugs as we do with guns, which is that we have more drugs than ever. They're either more potent, or they're cheaper. Cheaper or both you have to on the one hand resort to intelligent traditional enforcement hopefully modernized, but you on the other hand you have to do what has not been done in the past, which is community building, which is building society, which is doing the kinds of things that when they are successful, the investments in community based organizations correspond with a reduction in crime and a reduction in jails that are simultaneous. You campaigned in one on the idea of reform and I wonder how you approach to gun. Crime is different than the traditional approach that we've seen. Well, I participate and shooting calls all the time meaning multi law enforcement agencies where we look at the actual shootings that have occurred that week and try to figure out strategies to deal with it and what you will hear over and over is this particular mentality which is, they will describe someone who, either got shot, or is alleged to have been the shooter the list all of the arrests that they've had all the contacts they've had as if what they're doing is they're explaining. Explaining that, these are people of terrible character in that explains this phenomenon, and we'll all be safe if we just lock up these people, if terrible character forever, but what they're not saying is this system has engaged? This person arrested this person. Fifteen Times convicted them seven times. Put them in jail. Four times and nothing worked. It all failed. They're not owning that, so it is obvious to me that we have needed to go a different direction for very long time. It ain't work. The. One thing that it does do though is give police. A bunch of hammers right and you look around. They're a bunch of nails and I wonder when you have a more humane approach if you want to scale back on that tough on crime, kind of rhetoric and policy. Does that actually put these police in an identity crisis, the demoralized. They say we're COPS WE WANNA. Go out there and hit these nails, but are they in fact demoralized by this? I don't think the good ones are because I think there's an awful lot of good cops. These are not folks who liked to go and harass black high school students at a bus stop every day, but when they work in a system that requires them to do that requires them to pursue illegal stop and Frisk or driving while black. It's what they. They do and the problem that I have is prosecutors. I can't get witnesses. You're dealing with neighborhoods that have essentially feel like they have been mistreated and occupied by an army, and they will not come forward as witnesses, so you know the police who keep saying Lemme hammer the nail. Will Your Hammer and the nail has done nothing, but break it from. You know speaking of of some of those communities we think about Kensington thousand people last year died of overdose in Philadelphia and there have been complaints from people in in that community. Saying you know you're not doing enough to lock up. Some of these criminals and drug dealers and everything out here. WHAT'S THE MIDDLE GROUND? What is worked? What hasn't worked especially when it comes to those drug crimes, the situation is that we prosecute dealing all of it. What we have done which I do not think should be very controversial is first. We said we are not going to bring criminal charges for the mere possession of marijuana and next we have. Have said that for all mere possession, not dealing but mere possession of drugs. We're going to try to divert it in other words, you'll be charged. She'll be prosecuted, but we will try to find a way for you to get treatment or be accountable in some fashion, because we don't want to take those folks and then eliminate their capacity to become employed, but I would much rather see them get. Get treatment at least the ones who are addicted not everybody a bag. Weeden pockets addicted, but I would much rather see that then then this idiot process of simply breaking them breaking their capacity to become employed, and I would like to see that even more when we look at the reality, which is that there is a completely different level enforcement in poor and black and Brown neighborhoods then there are. Are An affluent white neighborhoods. Those kids in affluent white neighborhoods are walk around with drugs in their pockets, so the over enforcement, the selective enforcement in certain areas have become this engine of discrimination and disenfranchisement from participation in the economy from becoming a provider from the formation of families among many other things, and it makes no sense in the context of people who are simply possessing rather than selling drugs. After the break Larry Crasner on his unlikely path to the DA's office and he wanted the job in the first place. We'll be right back. To Go to the moon and the other thing, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. I'm Chuck Rosenberg on my podcast. The oath I with those who sacrificed for the common good who do things because they are this week warmer national. Security Council official Fiona Hill we cannot selves have a serious rational discussion about where we want the relationship. Rush to go, but we have to stop using Russia as part about domestic politics, join me for season, three of the oath and MSNBC podcast search for the oath wherever you're listening right now and please subscribe new episodes every Wednesday. Hey. It's Chris as this week on my podcast. Wise is happening. I'll be talking with neuroscientist. Dr Crawl Heart about the insidious ways stories of degeneracy drugs and blackness had been inter weaved in the American story, those far more crack in white communities why people always use more than black people, but the face of crack was black people, and it was a way for us to dismiss the problems of that group, because we can say if it's crack well, that's their own doing this week on. Why is this happening search for? Why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe? When Larry Crasner ran for DA. He had never prosecuted a single case. In fact, he sued the Philadelphia Police Department dozens of times. Crasner was born in Saint Louis moved to Philly when he was eight years old, and after College in Chicago and Law School in California moved back to find a job. I ended up interviewing both to be a prosecutor, and to be a defense attorney in a public defender's office felt a little closer, honestly at that time with the culture of public defenders than the culture of prosecutors I was seeing during these interviews spent five years, being state and federal defender, and then decided I really wanted to do my own law firm because I wanted also to be able to file civil rights lawsuits. Apparent to me that there was really no check on police misbehavior violence perjury. It was certainly not coming from the prosecutor's office and I also really had a deep fascination with protest, and I wanted to be able to represent protesters, not only when they were prosecuted by the Philly DA's office, which was all the time, but I also wanted to be able to represent them. by bringing civil rights lawsuits when they got there. You know skulls fractured so when outspent twenty-five years either or with other attorneys in partnerships. Practicing as a criminal defense attorney, and at age fifty six was pretty fed up and disgusted with what I had seen in the DA's office in Philly and the candidates. I saw stepping up one more time to run, so I decided to run. There are some really remarkable people who are chief prosecutors. you know all of us are technicians for movement. That is a people's movement and you know that's what we're doing. We're making some pretty big changes and we're having some pretty big success. So here you are now as the DA and I wonder. What's been your biggest accomplishment? I think that among our biggest accomplishments are the fact that we are generating about half as many future years of incarceration as prior administrations did. If you WANNA know. Are you doing something about ending mass incarceration? You have to figure out. How many future years of custody is this system generating? And so we did that? We have the ability to look at data and see coming out of the philly courts. Total number of years you've generated. We've done the same thing for supervision and by supervision I mean parole which happens after custody probation, which happens instead of custody. We have cut future years of incarceration coming out of Philly as compared to to the administration before us. About fifty percent, and we have cut future supervision about sixty to seventy five percent in a city that has arguably the most over supervised city in the United. States in a state that is the second most over supervised state in the United States, these are real improvements. They're real gains. You might not see it immediately. Because as I said, there's plenty of people already in jail whose sentences or already determined, but it is something that you start to see more and more as you move forward simultaneously, the reality is that you know we are still giving out plenty of long sentences to people for truly serious violent crime. And appropriately, so the whole system is not just supposed to let people loose, and that is what data shows. Our data shows that we have been true to our commitment that there should be mercy that it is better for society to work on a rehabilitative and preventive aspect at the one in, but still there's still has to be accountability for truly serious and truly violent crime. You're up for re election in twenty twenty one and I wonder if there is actual political pressure to bend to shift the change enough to stay in office to continue to afford the reform that you believe in. I think there's always pressure. But I can tell you this. One of the things that we can run on. Is that some people love us too much, and some people hate us too much, but it's. It's simply because we did exactly what we said we would do I mean that's the thing that knocks a lot of people out. Is that if they opposed to US completely? They're even more opposed now because we did what we said if they liked what we were saying then they're on the team because we did what we said it's hard to. To do things that change the system. It's especially hard when you have other stakeholders in the system that don't WanNa. Go with you but I think the truth is as I. Walk Around, and as I, talk to people, the truth is there's an awful lot of average people who like what they see. They know that we're not perfect. They know we make mistakes, but what I hear over and over. Is this phrase? You're trying to be fair. Think about that for second you're trying to be fair is good enough for a lot of people because they're so used to prosecutors, not even trying to be fair. You know I think it says a lot and there's a lot of good faith that that we feel even when we miss the mark, even when our policies are off base little bit, there's a lot of good faith because they think we are actually trying to be fair. Larry Crasner. Thank you so much as I pull my doubt, the city of Philadelphia and I wish the city the best i. wish you the best and thank you for trying. Thank you. Thank you very much great talking to you tomatoes. Great thanks! Larry Crasner is District Attorney Philadelphia? Into America, is produced by Isabel Angel. And Bailey Aaron Don Max Jacobs Barbara Rab Clare Tie I. Should Turner and Preview Barth on? Original music by Hannah's Brown. 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Content Court: TheQuartering

H3 Podcast

1:55:41 hr | 9 months ago

Content Court: TheQuartering

"All Rise for the honorable judge inclined this episode is brought to you by expressed VPN. Thank you very much. Welcome everybody to the content court. Today we will be judging the antics of one. The quartering this is the people verse the quartering. Today we judge Jeremy. Believe. He is a youtube commentator that mostly covers current events, surrounding comments, comics, video games, and the entertainment industry. He also covers drama and controversies that occur both online and the media. Multiple channels including on sleeved media focus on trading cards and mid Wesley focused on politics. With the most popular being the quartering, which is basically a channel for being. A little outrage monger. Also. Isn't the quartering like a torture technique from back in the day? Indeed is that what he's referencing? I'm not sure it also refers to quartering. Troops in your house in the third amendment or something. That's really that's not what he's referring to. Hey I'm going to stay in your house y'all. Hey. I'M GONNA freeloading. Your House maybe to his wife that's what it refers to. Jeremy is considered to be a red pill antisocial justice or your SIMP- sell. The defendant is being charged with the following crimes, four counts of inverse social justice watering. which is you know when you're trying to be a social justice war when you're trying to be antisocial justice warrior. So hard that you actually become a social justice moyer. Seven counts of criminal fishnets and buffoonery. And two counts of explicit SIMP-. CELERY. CELERY He's he's being charged being salary. Let us proceed with opening statements from our prosecution. ABC will say some opening words please. Yes. Thank you. Your honor. Today. The People Will Vance Argument that Jeremy Hambley Aka the quartering. Aka enslaved media. Aka A. Bit Wesley Aka Human Leftover Meatloaf. has on numerous occasions by. You Know Code, Women Leftover Meatloaf, what do you mean by that? He just looks like a meatloaf. I don't know something leftover. That's hardly appropriate for this core. Please AB, keep it professional I. Apologize with his basement dwelling neck bearded antics. Sorry I'll alert on. Okay. Thank you. I believe your honor you will find the defendants behavior speaks for itself and I asked for. An eye as only that you examine the evidence presented today. Thank you. I shall do that I will serve as your impartial judge now, Ian, the A N. Acting as defense for our The quartering please am would you like to make some opening statements earth? first off, I would just like to say your owner that. You were just glowing today. A white. Thank you so much I N. I'll be sure to keep that in consideration during your arguments. You. Every single day more and more starting. What is are you stifling laughter? Are you making a joke out of your honor? No. I. Think it's a good luck for you. You look like neo right after the Matrix? Bathtub. Does eyebrows actually liked this look on you. I hope to do you Sunday actually. So You, you want to harvest my biological. Yes you're. You're getting there with each and every day more and more character I, appreciate that for you know thank you were saying I look like neo he is very handsome and I would love to look like Kiana reap. So thank you for saying that. No I have a confession. I have no idea who the quartering against. Have you not looked up your client before presenting a defense. Well I was going to but. Buddy of mine and I decided to. Tailgate. Van. and. Tailgate and I didn't know people tailgated apple events but okay. Sure. Yeah, we went down. My friend actually gets Kinda Kinda wild. Picture here seriously. The energizer bunny. The energizer bunny you tailgate with the energizer bunny. Actually strapped up three fifty volt lithium batteries on my nipples and. Two days and I woke up just this morning actually an arrest over here. So I have no idea defending or why? That's How bad can? You guys are probably just another proportion. So I think this will be an easy easy defense okay and and very interesting on Orthodox statement from A. M. We're sure to see a terrific defense from him. Well, with all the opening statements closed. Let's proceed with the trial. This court is now. In session. I charge is inverse social justice warring ab would you like to take it from here? Yes. Thank you your honor. So Jeremy is a huge vendetta against. So called Social Justice Warriors so much so that he has looked around and became one himself being that he spent every waking moment being upset and triggered by the most inconsequential things imaginable. and I know that if you guys have a CAIRN wig on him on the left, is that what I'm witnessing? Right. Interesting. So. Moving on Jeremy is a bona fide culture crusader. He gets triggered very often by stuff that happens in pop culture. As well as politics. but the first example if you will move onto the next slide is about a remake of the show Sheera Netflix is doing a remake of an old show which was about Humana sister. He is triggered about the redesign. he doesn't like that the new updated version. The catcher doesn't have big boobs anymore essentially and. He was a he also mentioned that he wasn't a fan of the original, but he's extremely triggered by this new iteration fascinating. Yeah. Title is disgracing she rats, right Disgracing Shira and strong beautiful heroes. I see he's achieved a almost fifty percent dislike ratio on this one even from his own fans. So you know it's good. Oh Yeah. The fall of beauty it's called wild. Talking about stretching that shit out. This. It's look it's not like out. dudes are out there trying. Jerk off to a cartoon I get it. Tells me he is. You know especially like a kid show did not like anti Bro. Why you took her from being a precious to an orphan, and then you make her from a beautiful woman into a man. This is a boy it's an. Watt. There's nothing boy about the one on the right. Is really just. Go ahead Jeremy Jenness males, nitrogen character. That's what this is. And the interesting thing about it is. People who aren't. Following this situation will think, oh, why are you complaining? Who Cares? It's a cartoon? Well In some ways I'm pretty. Worried. That's just for people who aren't following. Everyone else falling closely along gets it. What he's got others I guess you would consider me more traditional in that. What happened to having powerful strong. And beautiful female role models for young women to look up to. Why must they all be gross? Okay. This is crazy like, okay. First of all, what does physical beauty have to do with being a role model? And, second of all the character isn't even gross by even I think any definition that's not Totally like. So, let's go to the next slide evacuee legs to art. So here you can see the old. K. And then the new are. So this is an indigenous lesbian boy. According to him, it really just looks like a modern day and This is kind of the in style. norm of cartoons these days. Whereas Eighties Yeah. But. It's a show for kids. Clearly, he's upset that she didn't have big ASS. Knockers right. In the the end of the show she actually is a lesbian I. Mean That's pretty insignificant but yet he says it's a it's a stripped says, this is a boy that's not a boy. I think it's retarded. Hey, watch your language. But the point is well received that he's basically just social justice wiring for basically cartoons to be away that he likes big steadies. Right, interesting. Okay. Well, received point. So moving on on this video. Is titled White Guy Reviews Black Panther eight hundred percent woke. A hundred never seen that love woke levels that I before. Over nine thousand let you didn't know that. Jeremy was triggered over Black Panthers positive reviews He thinks Black Panther was mediocre and even says that being proud of your skin color is as stupid as judging else's for there's. And So if you want to take a look at the video, interesting. Yeah. Being, proud of your skin color is as stupid as. Judging, someone else for the color of there's could you imagine? I mean how easy are people to control the overarching message from mainstream media around the Black Panther phenomena is simply to say your black you need to go see this movie. This is a primary problem I have with labels. It's a problem I have with labeling myself with any political ideology and I don't label myself by the something as absurd as the color of my skin something I had zero congestion. This is. This is kind of a classic argument that you see. I, don't WanNa say white supremacist but it's like a super obtuse way of looking at skin and and identity is because being proud of being white is like you know. White supremacy like let's be honest. That's the heritage whereas being it's not even like black power like, Hey, we have a, we have a superhero film with a with a black lead. You know which is something that that doesn't occur. Frequently or movie with all black casts that not only you That's actually that's a good movie that people are loving and watching and as you know A. Little black kids like having role models and seeing themselves represented in popular media. So it's easy for him to make that argument of like it's so stupid I would never go watch a movie because there's a white lead in it is is such an obtuse. Take because like ninety percent of all films have white leads in it. Right So. It's like cool. Cool take but really. It's really just not as dumb but anyway, of course again, it speaks very well to the social justice nature of Jeremy. Making. A video ranting about how dare people like this film I saw and I liked it a lot and by the way the film wasn't. I didn't find the film preachy at all who's just about black. It was about Africans right and so that that was what what was cool. It wasn't like super woke or it wasn't like You know the the villain was black to wasn't like this trope works like the white guys the bad guy and all this shit right that would probably set a guy like Jeremy off the everybody was black in it right? Because it's about Africans. So God forbid you make a movie about Africans or Jeremy here is going to be very angry about it. Especially, if people like it. Yeah I am of course, a white supremacist. Wow. He literally just came out and said that. I didn't say that. But. Yeah and especially in the Marvel Universe I mean how many heroes heroes do we have the moral universe? So triggered that you know what is there one or two on black heroes and the and the moral universe sure. and if you look right here, I included a little article issues I a bunch on the slide. Don't. I'm sorry. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. So as you can see. Chadwick Bows Men's untimely tragic death, the guy who played bought Panther this happened in September and I. Just I hope that the quarter Incan visit each and every one of these kids houses to tell them how stupid it is. that. They care about this guy because of his skin color you know here I'll give them all try to collect. Dumb Yeah I want you to go tell all these kids how dumb they are. For caring. You know dumb. Yeah. Dumb. It look at all these idiots carrying about Black Panther. It's crazy that they even see that they even cares for. At this head of the made a tribute by this was a great one. That, you know go ahead. Jeremy. What do you think about this? This kid here make paying tribute to the black, panther dumb right I think it's really touching and I think it really shows how much it means to the kid I wouldn't say it's dumb. I certainly welcome you to go to all their houses and tell them to their face how dominators. Well actually feel bad. It's all dumb. Really. You're going to tell that to a kid who's crying. That's so fucked up did. I feel that was so tragic that he passed. So. Unfair did. So. Moving on from this section Jeremy was triggered by Jordan Peele stating I don't see myself casting a white dude has lead. And one of his films. I the full steam being the not that I don't like white dudes but I've seen that movie it really is one of the best grades pieces of the story is like we are in this time a renaissance has happened improved miss about representation and then history are false. So after making the statement Jeremy decided to respond on twitter saying imagined saying, I don't see myself hiring white dudes and being applauded these times dot that dot. This led to response from Sky Williams who responded to Jeremy who said Jordan's message is fine because there's a massive outstanding debt through actors of Color. He's trying to close the gap by hurrying black leads. This is a front to white people but rather a way to expedite equal representation of media WANNA catch ups, Y'all you know. I won't even go with that I. mean that's a totally valid argument to make but it's even more simple is that he's a black man creating films, his experiences that as black man. so He of course, he's GonNa WanNa make movies and hire actors, bleed actors that represent his life experience. It's his story. It's his he's stunk from his perspective in. His life. So of course, he's GonNa hire black actors and take it to the social justice warrior the quartering to take to twitter to turn it into some crazy race thing imagine saying I don't see myself hiring white dudes and being applauded. You know first of all somebody asked him and he's like I just. Yeah I don't see meet. WHY WOULD I? Why would I hire white dues? Play leads in my films because if you look. if you look at actors like. Martin Scorsese he has never had a black lead in any of his films. Yeah I had that mentioned in the next line Yes Scorsese Spielberg only had a few. You know it's not uncommon practice. You Know Scorsese said many times that he t- tells these stories and they take place in New York and have to do with these. Italians. Because that's who he grew up around. That's who he knows. It's not uncommon whatsoever. He's telling a story from his perspective. You know view if you're going to criticize Jordan Peele. For saying he wants to cast black main characters in his films you better at the same time go and tell score stacey and Spielberg Kanye start casting black leads, which by the way if somebody did that, you would make video about what a social justice were. They are so checkmate quarter. acclimate. So yeah and slide eleven. Oh okay. After after. Jeremy's tweet filter Franko made a video covering situation and then Jeremy decided to make a response video and saying that he was simply pointing out hypocrisy and what Jordan Peele said. So this is the video rate here of according response. To the people that know me. Know I'm just poking fun the hypocrisy I do take some issues with sky statement not like a personal issues, but I'm gonNA address them too. Because I like Sky I. Think we're actually on a friendly of we do talk back and forth and. He recently unfold me but I think I. Sounds like good friends. He's like damn. It does my only black friend. Of the people that do boxes for me, gay and black. Do Without Him. I'M GONNA. Address them too. Because I like Sky I think we're actually on a friendly we do talk back and forth and You know he recently unveiled me but I think I know why he takes a lot of heat. From people. who run in his circles that really don't like me i. also think that maybe sometimes it takes spicy in bothers them but it was not spicy. As a good way to to call what you do like. He literally on me to say that he had to do it and like it was wholesome. So it was awesome how he cut me out of his life. Don't disrespect either guy but. It's not a false equivalency. My entire point is simple. Change. One word imagine. imagine me saying, Hey, I just started exclusively games come I'm hiring white people. Yes. Totally. Different I mean is just so totally horrible comparison we're talking about hiring someone to work in retail or or I don't know behind the scenes and some way we're literally talking about a storyteller expressing his life experience through an actor. Right, right the cashier working behind the counter, but you discriminating based on their skin color has no justification. It literally doesn't make any sense straight white males because I mean by the way he didn't say anything about straight either did so I don't know why you bring sexual orientation into it. The entire industry is full of You know and this is why he this is why we call him a Sim. So right 'cause he's pandering to all these red pilled and sell notions even though I feel like it's a really bad faith poorly thought out argument. That's obviously. You know. It's obviously a really bad argument but what he's doing, he's just pandering. So He's a SIM sow. That's what floats his boat as what keeps his business going. LGBT or Women. Now I guess that wouldn't be fair. Okay. Good. Cut that out then. So, anyway. Yeah Sir you gotTa love his editing skills. He goes. Here's my argument way. No, that's not a good argument. Something was up. So. Moving on Yeah as you mentioned Jordan. I'm sorry non Jordan Jeremy also has a problem with the lgbt community I. Guess this video he talks about high is a problem with pride month. Right off, the bat actually starts off pretty well included some little details on the right to keep in mind as you watch this video. but I think we could just jump right into it. Sure. All right I've got to get something off my chest. Black history month is dumb. International Men's Day Dum International Women's Day dumb. Gay Pride Month. Dumb it's all done. So here's here's what he's doing. First of all. I'm glad he was able to get this off. His chest has been bothering so much I mean what's rattling around noon his brain is true. The the the ingredients of social, justice? Warrior. You see all he's laying in bed at night thinking about how down pride month is he's got to get off his chest. Now his whole argument is based on a false equivalency. He thinks that because he's throwing away. International Men's Day which none of us have ever heard of by the way and is really thing. So he's he's making that sacrifice at the price of black history month and pride moth, which are two groups of historically disenfranchised prejudice mean game black people have been literally murdered for being who they are. So I really don't think that you throwing away international men's Day and calling that dumb is is a a worthy sacrifice to be able to call pride month or actually the title of this video pride month is gay. Dumb. He says is a scam I mean. Yeah. Against Sim sell. This is this is classic selling, right? It's all a way for companies to sell you shit wrong. I cannot believe he's he's, and then now is another false equivalency. Same Black history month is the same as Valentine's Day. You know certainly, there's a lot of holidays the check that box. But saying black winslow some you bought a card for black history month or gay pride month like that. That's just there. So not every holiday is a scam at the some of them actually. You know is important to US recognizing. These disenfranchised and and and historically. Discriminated classes classes of people, Right And once again, his his the world doesn't exist outside of his nose because he can't possibly imagine a world where. Being gay or black, or is anything different than his experience? A, right. That's true. There's. Shadowing. Aren't aware that hallmark holidays. Are, the new. The new men's month women's month black history month did. Not, include black history month when men and women's month. It's not it's just stupid. Whatever Gay Month? Gay Month. People don't really by hallmark cards anymore most people my age and younger. Don't. Really give a shit about Valentine's Day haven't given a shit about. Sweetest Day, right. All of these hallmark holidays that GOP. Products what. It sounds like it might be more of a personal problem if he's not celebrating Valentine's Day. Also foreshadowing interesting no longer work. What companies figured out however is virtue signaling works apparently. If, nothing else it's an option for them to swap in on their marketing calendar. A lot of my clients plan their promotions a full year in advance many months in advance usually. And stuff like international men's Day, a women's Day and black history month. These are easy homerun. Give them something to talk about promotions and as a fan of unfortunately some have never heard any of those holidays celebrated in the way he's describing you've got like Memorial Day you've got Labor Day. It's funny. He doesn't mention the actual ones that people use marketing like as a marketing crunch but again I've have you ever visited a black history month sale. Yeah I'm not. I'm not really sure what the commercialization is with the pride. Can you imagine a pride month mattress sale? Just ask yourself, is there a sale at a mattress store? Then you know it's a commercial holiday by the way he he mentioned that like, for example, Gay Pride month is a was created by hallmark while pride moth occurs in the United States to commemorate June nineteen, sixty, nine stonewall riots as a result many pride events are held during the month recognize the impact that lgbt people have had on the World President Gerald Ford recognized Black History Month during the celebration of the United States bicentennial. Here's Americans to seize the opportunity to honor the too often neglected accomplishments of black Americans in every area of endeavor throughout our history. Here we have DC watchtower June. I. You know I'm sure everybody. You know all the little kids out there. Love seeing two men, Kiss. To a one woman, one sort of woman one man and another man. This I can get down with. I can't I mean. He can't make a point like that and then just say like, oh lesbians are cool. You know what I mean gay dudes suck lesbians are cool. Is My point about pride month. Naughty dog. I'm sure everybody supports us. You know I follow you naughty dog to learn about what's going on with the last of US or uncharted or other video game. But now. You've got of course to change your logo chain use Promo code show everyone there's no promo code for the record. There's no promo code they I feel like that's a important distinction to make. They're not trying to sell you a bunch of cookies. Or cupcakes for your staff. And you all got together to celebrate. So he is so disturbed by them changing their logo on twitter. That he needs to make a video about it. Also mentions that he calls them for stuff about the last of us, the main character of which is queer. So the main character was trans right? I mean I didn't play the game I just saw media. There is a transgressor in the game, but there is also the the the main girl is a lesbian. So I I think it's pretty safe to assume that. That they care about they actually do care about these issues Jeremy. And unfortunately, I don't think they need to console you on. I love it. He's like I follow you for news about Video Games and you updated your icon Davos Rainbow Flag, and now you've flew and all. That some social justice warrior talk. Doesn't get any more well, I would assume there's probably some evidence of that. It's all here baby. It's all here. Got Together to celebrate. Two guys fucking. I don't know. Again, you cannot make this point. And at the same time. Like same homophobic shit like that because it just makes you look like you're almost phobic. You. All got together to celebrate two guys, fucking. Right. Yeah I do think that undermines your point a little bit when you make when you say show like that. Because it just seems like you don't like or respect gay. People. Because I don't think that's what pride month is about guys fucking. About. More than that Jeremy. It's all dumb right well to you maybe. Okay fantastic. So. To recap, he doesn't like. Movies with black people. He doesn't like black history month or gay pride month. So that is everything. Okay. Great. So that concludes our first charges on the charge of being a social justice warrior himself. while. A. N.. What say you on behalf of your defendant the quartering Guys. Really. Gave me a doozy on this one. Being I'm looking back. With the cartoon dot having big. Frontal torpedoes. I may be thinking. Like I think about one of my favorite. all-time cartoons. The MOM for rolley polley I mean look at the fucking curves on her tier. If they redesigned your mater left like normal. Square robot I'd be a little. You know. He's he's quarter chugged. Danny's trying to get to the. Get Out. Because he said, it doesn't jerk off to those cartoons. Are you saying on behalf of your client does? I'm not going to be able to offer even I can't defend that point. Because obviously, he does beat off to. See He. He's framing incorrectly he needs to just say, yes, I do beat off and you guys are making it harder. Maybe garnered. Much Concert, can you get a job? Message me after the show you'll find out. Okay so Your defensive is that you wanNA jerk off to robots. cartoons and therefore. he's if you ever have you ever jerked off to a cartoon. That is not an appropriate question. from I've ever took off. This is a little deputy. Agree now I have to say I am on trial here I'm will remind you I N and I will hold you in contempt. Keep it professional. Aren't. So do you does the rest I? Mean what the hell was that? I made for. Eastern ago from. Quarter. Last night, he wants to be the. All he wants to be the fully torque instead of the quartering. That's right. Don. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Order. How would you respond to such a brilliant articulate defense? I was so baffling did leave me speechless. I mean. There's so much to speak about. I. Mean I just even if we just go off the first point. I JUST WANNA. Remind you guys that he's offended that a show anime show he doesn't watch. Doesn't have. Big boobs anymore and the reiteration. That's all I have to say. Okay let's deliberate now. going. To the beginning. The heart of this charges he is someone who is so antisocial justice warrior that he himself became an antisocial justice warrior. Or Social Justice were reminds me of the saying. Beware those who look into the abyss because the abyss looks back. Exhibit One I'm deep undercover. Fair too deep if you ask man. He is mad at a cartoon that he used to like or doesn't even really like because their boobs are not big enough anymore. He doesn't the Black Panther movie because the lead is black. And he's a shame that that young black he's embarrassed for young black kids for having a black role model in popular media. That's right. He thinks that. Gay Pride Month in black history month are stupid simply because he doesn't have any use. For Male International. Men's Day. Well on this one, I have to say it's pretty clear-cut verdict. The quartering is without a doubt, a social justice warrior except the causes he fights for. Are just different but the outrage, the trivial the trivial. Is. Plain for anyone to seek. So this court decides guilty guilty guilty absolutely. On all charges of being social justice warrior. And I sent him to. There's so many bad things are like he's been banned from so many conferences and banned from twitter and stuff. So I sent him to be banned from twitter a D. monetize twenty. Times. All right. Let's throw to a quick break before we move onto our second charge criminal officious and buffoonery. Well, I'm looking forward to that. We'll be right back after this quick break. Thank you to express VPN for sponsoring this courtroom. Now I wanNA tell you guys about the social dilemma on net flicks. I washed this film and it's very good. Very good documentary. 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We are back from our break and here with our second charge criminal fish nece and buffoonery ab would you like to introduce this charge for the Jerry? Yes. Thank you. Jeremy Hambley is deeply embarrassing human being His Day to day consists of cartoonish amounts of stepping on rakes, head banking and cell phones. These. Thank. You say with these charges of criminal Oh fishnets and buffoonery I will demonstrate that Jeremy's bumbling antics and subsequent blustering proves beyond a reasonable doubt Germany's deserving of a conviction. So the charges basically that he's just like a Ding Dong. Dum. Dum. Okay. Interesting. That should be great. Love Arrow. Moving on to slide. So in this section, we will take a look at Jeremy's harassment of 'cause player Christine Sprinkle, which ultimately led to Jeremy being banned from magic the gathering. Wow that is. I have to say an achievement maybe that I've never heard of before he was banned from all magic the gathering events. Yep. Why? Did. He made a video calling on Christine that since been removed by YouTube for violating the harassment bullying policy. the video was titled Place of Beta. White Knights prevent rape of MPG 'cause players sprinkle. And Yeah and he made many tweets about the situation. So the video will. What does that title mean? What is the place that have a white nights? What does a place that is that a magic the gathering terminology? Oh, maybe actually play set of Beta White Knights present prevent rape. Why would you even put rape in the title? That's so fucking creepy. What Wairoa? Even know you could put raping entitled to be honest while it was removed. So apparently, you can't. So you want me Paul Okay. Yeah. JEREMY GETTING ALL DEFENSIVE CATCH The latest thing that set me off on patron is a female 'cause player at the magic community. Crying on our video asking for money. Let's be very clear here one if she wasn't a good looking girl. The support would be about five percent of what it really is and to if she wasn't also crying same thing holds true if I said it better in a tweet. But basically, if you are an average looking woman or any man, you would not have garnered hundreds of patrons overnight. Okay. Cereal Virtue Signaller, and crying for patriotic dollars Qasr player ceus Frankel Ron posted yesterday. Allow messages to my facebook page. Again question my life choices immediately. SPRINKLE is a pro Qasr player. You know she's a professional 'cause player by the fact that she has to solicit Patriot dollars in cry and our Patriot and video to get loser Beta Cox to give her money but you know what? Fuck these did I got pop dude this guy calling anyone a Beta cuck I mean like I'm not I'm not someone like walks around with the whole alpha, male energy find that whole notion of Alpha and Beta really dumb. But like dude nobody gives me more BETA. Energy then Jeremy I mean, let's just be honest. Let's come on guys need this guy calling anyone Beta crazy. Think she has any. Interest piece soy milk. You know what I mean. Like it's just what runs through his veins. Money, give her your money and don't you dare objectify her. Look. I. Mean it is like a all time White Knight. Gold Rush for these losers that think they have any real chance. At penetrating this woman. Trading. Yeah I don't think her fans being supportive necessarily think they all can have with her, and by the way aren't all like 'cause play girls like they have a patriot and that's other business works they don't get paid. They don't have a way to monetize their work people support them on. Patriot was pretty right. Yeah definitely. I mean, it's one of the most popular ways. Of course we try to find evidence for crying. We were unable to find like the original video that set him off. But something tells me it wasn't really as bad as. As what he made it out to be. I mean, what is his wife? Is he getting? So fired up sled this girl be raised that I recorded Patriot video crying and begging fucking losers for their money. Oh. Yeah you're such a hero sprinkle. You're such a hero. I. Don't say they're claiming to be a hero anywhere. Talk to some people about the CAS play thing I think house plays great. It's it's great. It's not really a service in my opinion it's someone who likes to play dress up I. Think a lot of people see this fat material opinion when I start looking at some of this plan I, started having a say like feel a little movement down my pantaloons and I'm like. I see why I see. So this this is a trend I've noticing where he has a lot of rage towards people he's attracted to. I think he has like I. Know He's married right but he has like insult energy where he like he he targets attractive women that he knows he would have no chance with the when who would probably despise him if they ever met him, which is true. Because because of. His looks or anything but just because he's such an asshole writes such a chauvinistic astle and he has a lot of rage for them and she is kind of the subject of his rage here. because. It's like. I don't respect what you do, but albeit off to it. It's just You know just really an outrage full. Perspective. Yes moving on on November twenty, four, two, thousand Seventeen Christine tweeted that she was unloading her magic, the gathering costumes and Kospi gear in the wake of months of harassment sprinkle who has been contracted by wizards of the coast in the past, and it's considered one of the most popular 'cause players in the magic scene spoke out about harassment she suffered after Jeremy, posted a degrading video about her and other costs players. So This situation as I mentioned prior has led to the banning, of Jeremy for magic the gathering. and down here are different tweets from sprinkle and from magic the gathering on. So his whole video which has been removed from Youtube and kind of scrub from the. Internet. I've read descriptions of it and from what I could tell he was looking at 'cause players basically just subject defying and talking looking at like You know lewd photos of them and making sexual comments about them, and the whole thing was just really creepy and odd. she tweeted out it's been a rough year and I've blocked and not said anything about him because I wanted to die. But without a doubt MPG headquarters unsleeping media, that's him has made my life hell this year this whole year with his unnecessary videos tweets about me and other members of. Magic. So that's what she said about him. Apparently, he's just been harassing her for an entire year. Because she was making money on patriots in a way that he thought was inappropriate. Then magic the gathering of fiddler. What was that? What was that poor? Who or what did he say? Or? Magic, the gathering tweeted out we're saddened. By. What happened in the magic community this weekend cyber bullying and harassment are unacceptable and we support those who come forward with their experiences now and should be made to feel unsafe or welcome. We're working to be part of the solution. Yeah. I mean magic the gathering seems like an exclusive environment. I don't really think they want people Jeremy. Out To make like she's like a really Angaz D- You know really kind of a fun player in the scene right? They probably love people like her she's super into it. She does 'cause plays use those up to the people get excited. then. You've got these assholes like Jeremy on the sideline just shitting on her for having a patron. Because it's not a service apparently to him. It's not a service. The fuck do you do is that a service? You know what I mean, what what does that mean? So. Next payment new idea. What happened there? So moving on to seventeen. slide seventeen. After, he was banned he went on crusade against the gathering and wizards of the coast accusing the company of harboring pedophile although Jeremy teases the article He made an article about I'm sorry and although he teased article lacked any credibility to the extent that even the daily stormer refuse to run it. So, let me get this straight. He got banned from magic the gathering and then tried to run a story about how they're harboring pedophiles. Right. He's like I know I am that pedophile I was a member of that community for years. Here's his tweet on sleeved media. I guess I shouldn't spoil the upcoming article tomorrow on the daily stormer about MT G. Sh I don't want all the roaches to private their accounts ha ha now daily storm who he brags about his article was GONNA be published. They're who they rejected. Let me read a blurb. Hear about the daily stormer. This is from Wikipedia or what? I. Yeah. This is. This is established. It don't don't think that I'm exaggerating this is what the daily stormer is. It's an American far right Neo Nazi White Supremacist Holocaust denial commentary message board. That advocates for the genocide of Jews. That's me by the way. It considers assault part of the outright movement. It's editor Andrew Anglin founded on July fourth two, thousand thirteen as a faster paced replacement for his previous website. Total. Fascism. That doesn't really miss whereas does it which had focused on his own long form essays on Fascism race and antisemitic conspiracy theories. So this is the website. That Jeremy was eager. To Post his story on. A story that was so incredible. That even they denied. By the way, this old twitter account was banned and just we went to the daily storm and what we saw on the very homepage kind of gives a chuckle. So we wanted to show it. They have a live countdown demographic to win America becomes a not a non white majority country, and we'll tell you guys that we have about how much does it say I can't see twenty two years twenty, two years about twenty-three years until until that happens so. Don't worry Jeremy's. Full life ahead of you. So after this. Whole. Crazy situation. If we move slide eighteen according was also banned from Jenkin. And Con is a large tabletop gaming convention. He was banned for getting a physical altercation with another attendee and He was accused of harassing. Other people in as well online. So he's not only banned from magic the gathering for life, he's banned from Gen con for life. Greg's. Fantastic I mean anyone that's banned from any events let alone to. You, know. Do, you know anyone that's defended Weinstein because he. Not One. Okay well, moving on there's a little video for you right here where Jeremy is defending Harvey Weinstein. Oh is this a picture of him and Harvey together I didn't know they were friends. As they look really happy together. Gatherings 's a pedophile ring that he was. I mean they happen to know they've been harboring pedophile 's I one of A. Purchase, views on Mr Weinstein's alleged victims and that adults who made choices and why he's tired as a white man for being blamed for everything that's wrong with the world. Of applause for. Harvey. Is We're ambitious adults. There are how many victims and Harvey's life and I feel sympathy for them. But Hollywood is full of various people who are adults and they make choices. If you read between the lines here, what he's saying as people knew what they were getting into when they serviced the man and they pretty sure he's accused of rape like I think there's two issues here that he's not addressing. As I. Yeah. You can be core star or consent to a sexual situation. You don't WanNa be in, but he's actually accused of raping people dude. So. Kind of missing the point there. Tends to do that. Are How many victims and Harvey's life and I feel sympathy for them. But Hollywood is if you beat read between the lines here, what he's saying is people knew what they were getting into when they serviced the man and they either for better or worse got what they had hoped or did it. But nonetheless adults they made their own decision and now they're looking to blame everybody else for that. But shouldn't the man who did the things take responsibility Gilliam doesn't think. So he said when you have power, you don't take responsibility for abusing others you enjoy the power that's the way it works in reality he's probably not rog there either it's pretty pretty based. Her Bass. Strait. Yes something tells me. Something tells me the Harvey Weinstein is legit. One of Jeremy's like role models. I think he's envious of him. It's male privilege by the way that doesn't exist I understand that men have had more power longer. But I'm tired as he white man of being blamed for everything. That's wrong with the world again. Hard to disagree round of applause. Well, he has done the impossible and mounted offense for views on. He goes abusing his power to to coerce women to doing sex with him is based. And He actively did a clap around of applause for Harvey. because he Thinks he's a white male being blamed for all the problems in the world actually being charged for rape. So let's just call it apple an apple or cigar they say. Excellent. I think better quote would be the true measure of a man's what he does with power What was that from that from like Spiderman or something? I think it was in a game actually, but it is a common I. Think Socrates Socrates. I mean, no, that's a that's a really good point and Jeremy's listen I would probably coerce. People to have sex with me. That's why you get power. Base. Right. All right what Oh peeing on the floor of his basement that sounds fantastic. Yeah, this is more. A beat I, guess, you could say. Oh sure. Yeah. I. Think just watch the video. Of. Self. Explanatory. Let's go ahead. Excellent. Maybe I'LL A and my trash can down here I. don't Know My wife went out for pizza without me. and. Angry about it. Some going to win this round and then. If, I don't win this round. I'M GONNA pee in my own basement I. I don't have toilet down your I'll Abbas a drain and the floor. What? We're going to have to use it though feel we're going to have to use it. All the shit. So. Appreciate what's happening? He's in the basement of his house. His wife has has partitioned him to the basement. His wife, copy him for some pizza and he's just taking it in the basement and he's so embarrassed. He won't go upstairs use the toilet he's peeing and adrain in the basement. And he this Guy Calls People Cox. Urine or soy coming out of his basement. Peden. No not a McKay letter. Just in the drain. In the drain. So you know he's splashed urine everywhere he sits there. You can't see into a drain a floor drain. And Not Splash pee everywhere and he just sat back down he's literally just sitting amongst urine. It smells like urine he's in a public restroom basically playing video games. And there two and no wonder his wife went to pizza without him to do is sitting in his own. Was that a farm? Yeah I think I heard a foreign I saluted the The tarit. Go. Only business. Definitely far. After sits back, down? On awesome. Look. If. You Watch a Sumer that wants to pee in the potty go watch someone else and by the way. The guy doesn't have kids. He has no right three saying potty. To, be honest with you all. Maybe I'll P and my trash can down here. I don't know. Well, at least you didn't pay in the trash can if I can be give him some credit. That's more disgusting someone did a clip and up and upload this to Youtube and he even went out of his way. To comment on it imagine thinking this is an own. I mean I did break it to you do it but. It is pretty disgusting. made it to our slide. If you go to the next slide, you'll see. Him addressing the situation on twitter. Wow. Okay so somebody said. So your argument is because he got drunk a peed his pants wants. A is that true that's happened. His opinion is invalid. Wait a minute. Now I didn't that didn't even happen though these morons think me pissing in my basement train one time onstream. When I was drunk is some sort of own like so fucking what I'm happy to do it again should I feel the need to? I mean, it does say something about you did Peter my basement. Yeah, I mean it really does say something about you I have to say. Someone said a burger king sponsorship would be much better than pissing on your own basement floor during the livestream. Says, yes I have a section of the basement that is unfinished in the home that I own all basements have drainpipe pissed in in the home that I own house that's supposed to be a burn checks by Oh. Yeah. I mean I don't really care if you own the house, it's disgusting and you have problems to. Someone said it was it even more embarrassing than pissing on your own basement floor during a livestream? He said it's every homeowners right to pee in their basement. He would know if you own a property yet dude nobody's saying it's not you're right and the police are not coming to arrest you for being in your basement. The point is that it's embarrassing and disgusting. And your response kind of proves the point that if you're an embarrassing human being. Right. My wife went out for pizza without me I. Guess you're right to take a shit on the couch. It doesn't mean you should yeah man you could shit down the basement on wall you could shit down the drain and Waffles stop it down. That is your right as homeowner. You know what I mean. You have a lot of rights as a homeowner. Right, you know. Going on Jeremy has a habit of accidentally owning himself on twitter. On You use the word cuck. I think that maybe. The ten -cially appropriate. If you look at these tweets right here but some starting with the one where he's in the backseat. So the wife joins the Teza family I even fit in the back seat I mean, why are you sitting in the backseat? You you cock? Why are you? Like if you're such a Alpha Male, should you be driving? Let alone she's not an Jeremy your ass in the backseat. Your if I may enter interject and some it to the court when we were looking at these, I've never laughed so hard in my life I fell over in my chair we had. We had to have them you his mike you wanNA stop laughing noted. Thank you. So he goes on to say take that wife's Tesla wait a minute. It's one hundred dollars I. Guess He's saying that you don't pay for gas the wife bought me home covert after flying and delivered it to me as I played video games that is fucking peak. Brought me home culverts. What does that mean some rest of fast food joyous home covers after flying and delivered it to me. Wife's out flying this morning. So I got up early to play some video games married life. My wife asked just asked why her lotion was down my office and she refuses to believe that it was for a bit in spite of video evidence. Yeah, did. Definitely beat off with the lotion. On. The first time that's happened. That's why she doesn't believe you. It's like a little boy. Why would you even tweet that bro? Yeah. He's a little boy. He's in the backseat of the car. He's pissing all over the place. He has. Fast Food Burgers. So he can play some video games right Did, why are you beating off with your wife's lotion? That's a that's a rookie mistake. You gotta put the Lotion back where you found it. Maybe maybe she locked him in the basement for doing that that was his punishment. So that's why hit a P no, I'm sure it's I'm sure that's what happened like you don't why he hates women so much is because His wife puts them in the basement because he he's everywhere. This is okay. So we have here Jeremy is triggered by music composer, Markel Joe Chiro. tweeting. Fuck Hitler. Just. Let's see Michael tweets out great news seeking calling in theaters for the first time nearly sixty five years. Max Steiner essentially created a template for film scoring with this masterpiece. Somebody responded with Hitler's favourite movie. And he responded by saying Fuck Hitler. Okay. Now, the that set off the quartering, he quote tweeted Fuck Hiller and said, and there we have it Yikes. Saying Fuck Hitler. As, Yikes. From the guy by the way who is desperate be published on a website that believes in Jewish genocide. So. Just Fi of course, a white supremacist. Yeah. I mean just fall the bread comes on that one. Somewhat. said. You on ironically leap to defend Hitler, you have no right to be yaxing anybody turn to which he responded. Hitler was nominated for a Nobel, peace prize, what the fuck have you ever done. Well have you been a list that as an achievement you may as well lists the other stuff he's done to. That's crazy. The tweet that. and. This year, he must have been drunk man again. He must have just got done peeing in his basement, take a dump in his basement dry drain. Off of the way. Down the drain. That dreamy. Seen Shit Man. That seen shit none of us. Deserve. If that drain had is. Amazing. How this fuck Hitler tweet has taken hold with people completely incapable of understanding my point which was obvious to everyone that follows me Hollywood type saying Fuck Hitler for Re tweets fucking stupid encourage. It's about virtually going he literally just responded to a guy. Aren't you doing the same thing by the way? Aren't you virtue signaling? Dear Sim sells about how woke you are and I mean? I feel like He. That's what he's doing like this anti virtual. He's the Anti Virtue Signal. ING. signaller. You know. That's right. Man I never heard. I. Never imagined a day where someone saying fuck killer would be met with a yikes. But there you have it. Personally from the same guy who's upset about an anime characters boob size so He gets triggered by something like that. But he wants to call someone else out for Saint F Hitler Role We do well yeah and and also I want to say congratulations to Hitler on his Nobel peace. Prize. Before we go on next because that is how he's remembered of course for. FOR HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO WORLD PEACE Right next. Moving on. Jeremy. has to marriage imaginary Gay Black Dad's. Twitter. Here. Where someone was investigating his claims of having You gave like Dad's. this is his actual thumb by the way. is to jacked. Black, dudes my gay black dads and then he has this habit of using emojis thumbnails, which is like beyond cringe and so it's like a winky face. Should I play this video I would start with twitter threat. If you WANNA get some more context, click this link here. Okay Yeah Okay. So apparently Jeremy has been claiming on ironically. That he has to Gay Black Dad's. which I'm assuming is. Well here you could tell as desperate getting more and more absurd in. It's pathetic attempt to bully me into a debate. Now it's I think homosexual is disgusting absolutely fuck discussing I love and support my lgbtq viewers. I also have two DADS. So. Yeah. I mean you might. You might think he's just kidding around, but he continues over a coal span of time. You know this is from the following month. He says, understand your fans makes you a shell also homophobia. I'll have you know I have two dads. Okays where do you keep saying that. Fast forward to the? Next Month Actually, two months later then the story evolves one of my dad's is black and gay. As your other dad as well I. Hope So. Be. where. Is that it. Just for this bread. Yeah he continues on. He continues on. This is from December. Now this is over the span of half a year. Wait till he finds out I have to black dads that I love dearly. My Dad's are block. It's crazy November. This is a continuous threat to ironies lost, and this has just turned into a straight up. Real clam. Doesn't know my dad's or black my dad's are black. You can yet yet have to Dad's my dad's a black. This is a claim that he continues to put forward. But then all the sudden. Someone dug up this tweet. Of Him showing a picture of his dad not black. I can't speak to his sexual orientation. My Dad's soldier and took my niece to Disney. He's gotten used. He got to use a cart and auction but that doesn't mean I won't roast him for the picture love. You Dad. Certainly, not a black man. Maybe I don't know. Why are you gay? He says. So now all the sudden Jeremy has three debts to are black. One is why they're during a threat bull three throughout his three DAS- are all gay in two of them are black this story adding up to you anyone. Lastly, I WANNA, point out that there is a way in which all this could be true. Maybe his mom divorced his biological dad and then they got into a three way. With two people of Color. Giving him the benefited out of course, as much as possible didn't respond to that one. He responded on form that's form. Okay. So before you open the video, can I draw your attention to the thumbnail one more time please by all man it's essentially White. Gay Dad blasting a load right on the best of his one of his black gay dads you know it doesn't seem very respectful to his gay black DAS- to portray them like. Like that. My Gay Black Dad's with the winky face. Let's enjoy the journey. Shall We? Is that what it is. And then he posts a picture of my White Dad. According to Jeremy He also has this dad I don't know maybe he has three dads someone makes sense to me. Now, this is one of my dad's alright handsome man. A man that would give you the shirt off his back. and. So he also enjoys the company of two other black men who are you va deem less why can't fucking believe this shit I mean this is insane. You guys have to appreciate that this has been an ongoing argument of his over the course of entire year. There's no irony. There's no sense of a joke. He the literally saying he has three DADS three gay DADS. Two of them are block no pictures by the way with his gay debt black dads and his story is morphs over time where one of his dad's was gay. Than to had to black gay dads, and now he has three DADS. I mean he's blessed. You know where else should be so blessed to have so many loving parents, not many of us can claim three. So there is a way in which all of this could be true. Maybe as mom divorce is white dad and they both went onto Mary to POC's this is the only way it can work. Why are you that worried about my dad's video let me tell you something man my we keep using it as a as a shield of criticism saying that you're the one saying every week on twitter that you have all these Gay Black Dad's in your life. You know what I mean. I mean it's not like he just randomly is curious about it. I mean I would throw the question back to you why you care about the size of a cartoon females breasts. Family is none of Your Business or stop talking about it on twitter and using as a shield. Now this is so bizarre I mean. You guys appreciate how this claiming to have three gay DADS. Two of them are black. You would think they would teach them to be more tolerant of other people. Will how can you say that? He has so many black game in and his life just surrounded by black gay DADS. Saying you think they would teach that. He would have turned out to be more tolerant. I'm surprised. He doesn't think he's a gay block together to celebrate two guys fucking right. Very well, stated from a man with three gay DADS. Play that against Ac what is black history? What is a history month again? You all got together to celebrate two guys but fucking right. That's what it's about. You get like his dad's birthday parties. He gets up and says. Yeah. Yeah. Now, he tells them. Hey, guys. Happy Birthday to my gay. Black. Dad's I just want to let you know that black history month and gay pride both are dumb. Thank you very much. But wait there's more. The quartering says everybody should do black face for. Halloween. Litter he's he tweeted out literally nobody's actually offended by black face. What? You're just one white dude like I mean I. How can you speak for every black person? Calm down. I actually think everybody should do black face for Halloween, black face and full Indian headdress in the same costume. Stop Clutching Pearls. All. Righty then says the guy who made a whole video about a cartoon characters titties not being big enough for him. Here you're saying that athletes are uneducated on politics and shouldn't speak on politics, just put the ball in the hole. All I said is I don't give a fuck what millionaires with very little education after say about modern politics you think I give a fuck with the NBA has to say about politics put the ball in the hole. That is all. Yet the quartering himself obviously discusses politics all the time even though he has studied marketing college and has no degree and political science. Which is, of course what he's saying I mean most athletes are college educated right? So I'm not sure what his credentials are. Now. We were able to locate Jeremy's linked profile and I would be remiss for not showing you. He considers himself an elite strategic Internet marketing. Expert. And let me remind you of Jeremy's thumbnails remain remember he's in elite. Marketing consultant who puts. emojis. And it's thumbnails has most hideous ugly horrible thumbnails. I've ever seen bar non without a doubt. He has Emoji the only person I've ever seen putting Modi's in his thumbnails. So flow Antonio. Ironically I guess. So for would consider himself a marketing genius still so Now Excellent good ship. Here he is saying he was dropped by dollar. Shave Club for not being woken enough dollarshaveclub l.l sorry. He started with low dollarshaveclub drop me because I wasn't woke enough but happily give ten. Amman goo he's sponsorship and in video where she is smoking Weed San Count Live without it and then talking about shaving her pussy. How, why any of those issues have to do with being woke he says I'm still kinda salty then he quickly. CORRECTS himself after what? I'm assuming as dollarshaveclub telling him, he needs to correct the record. He goes after a week dollarshaveclub replied on why they terminated. My partnership they claim it is because we're performance and not because of my political affiliation. The data supports their claim. They shared the data with me. I am unsure why they didn't tell me that in the first place while you are a fucking idiot. How much you WanNa bet the Dollar Shave Club, made him tweet that? Dude you can't tweet out that we dropped because of the year we made a video about it to, of course. Yeah of course. Obviously. While I'm NYDIA. Aw quitting twitter, we love it. Yeah. So as as we've noticed, he tends to make a fool of himself on twitter a lot. So he decided to quit twitter. If you watch this video who gives of his reasons as to why? Okay. Fantastic. He says the toxicity of twitter as most likely to real life He refers to people on twitter refer to Turkey on Thanksgiving as racist or wrapping paper a symbol of white colonialism. He says the twitter used to once consist of heart warming cat videos. No. That was never what twitter was. What? What has always been about tax. Over the last few years has turned into a cesspool of rage bay faith destroying videos. Oh no Jeremy's faith in God is being. Shaken by twitter. Alrighty, let's watch leaving the sensible goodbye twitter's assess. Cool. Twitter is full of sad hateful people. Their lives haven't turned out the way that they had hoped, and so they are driven to like crabs in a bucket pull down anyone else who may rap. Who just. have. Broken the terrible terrible lot of being happy enjoying things just look what's being shared. There used to be a time where you would see. Excellent cat videos and the hen and and heartwarming moments. But over the last year, it's basically turned into an endless cesspool of rage bait and pretty sure that just has to do with who you followed. It just follow Q. Cat fucking accounts. If you wanna see bro, it's out twitter worked man. faith destroying videos. Opinions. It's no longer nap positive. And leaving it, twitter is loved this epic proclamation, I. Leaving twitter. and. I'm proclaiming it for all. He made a whole video about it. Should I keep watching or is that enough? I think that's enough. He's just goes into some some research to negative effects of twitter. Not. Very. Interesting. Whatever we all know twitter sucks man that's not obviously a that's that's not a controversial statement that that being on social is bad for you. You know I think we all agree on that. So he's leaving the Cesspool but wait. Timeline of events. Yeah. So July twenty seventh he tweets that he's quitting twitter. That's the video we just watched. Six days later there he tweets. Of promoting a new video. That's what He tweets out a new video about George are Martin being canceled. Okay. So people like I thought you were off twitter the next day he tweets the account quote tweeted by his twitter account is ran by a single mom named Maggie. and. This is when it gets bizarre to the point of having three gay dads. Just, so everyone knows Jeremy no longer manages account. My name is Maggie. I am a single mom that Jeremy Graciously offered a full time position to help me out please direct your hate elsewhere dude he is so crazy. Why would you first of all? Why would you need to say that you're single mom at second? Well, why would you need to be hired fulltime to tweet a couple of times a day? Somebody was making fun of him. They said, hey everyone. He's back on twitter and this is still has pinned video. So Maggie step into SIMP- for. The, quartering AKA himself. Two days after that, he gave an update about video is making. On twitter. I have privatized both videos on this person. He doesn't need to feel like he has to do the same. Oh, did he have beef with this person? I'm sure I think we're good after talking. DM's never should have even made the videos I'll give all give back with a more positive view this afternoon Jeremy. Okay He's clearly tweeted. Oh and here comes a statement from Maggie, the single mom. Hi, this is Jeremy Maggie handles ninety nine percent of my pulse but I pushed her into the corner so I could say, hi. Creepy. Why'd you push your in the? Corner Freak Did. He's literally just this is like when somebody When they leave a supportive comment under their comment, but forget to log out. Verner account. A next day, he makes his triumphant return by what happened to Maggie. The single mom you gave them a fulltime job. Do we just kicked it to the fucking curb? Thought he did this great charitable acts for Maggie. And he's like Nah fuck you bitch fired this is Jeremy. Clown on him for the Brittany venue thing. That's more funny. Yada. He's just tweeting nothing happened, right? Yeah. He's back in. then. Ten days later he finally acknowledges. A said, yes, I'm back to twitter people not allowed to change their mind not very progressive. What I just want to know what happened. Maggie. What happened to that poor single mom? fulltime job. Holy Shit you guys. Great Scott and the words of the. The. Greater Brat is right. Oh Shit. All right. That was great. On the count of Criminal O. Fish nece and being just a overall stooge Guber, a. n. what say you on behalf of your client, the quartering. Um. Well you guys you guys gave me a lot. There's a lot in here. Sure. So. This stuff. Right. Right. For Sure Well I actually, as I said, I'm not familiar with him, but I went to check out channel. And I actually touted. And he has uploaded forty seven videos in the last week. Out So keeping that rape almost fifty videos awake I guess my only. Defense would be. that. All Things considered his amount of oceanus way lower than you'd expect. You'd think there would be saying dumb shit about stop fifty. Week is crazy so I, don't know. Relative to that Maybe he's holding it together more often than we give them credit for Just. Maybe. There's forty five years in there that we just didn't get too. So I don't really know. So your argument on one hand you say were Cherry picking but on the other hand you started by saying that there's a lot. So those two statements seem to be in contradiction of each other. Oh there's a lot. There's a lot of volume share. Okay. Thank you for that statement in will a an I will bear that in mind as I? Deliberate. Aby. Closing statements. Yeah, you try to keep it around our. That's the only reason why we don't have more stuff. There's much much more. Entrepreneur. That's have. You watched all fifty videos of this week's. I'm. Sure Yeah even with your ungodly ability of superhuman even of consuming data at a quick rate, you wouldn't even do that. Battery so, fast tear. Asked the defense Are you. Would you consider yourself? Woke you. I never sleep so. All. All right. We'll deliberate how thank you, everybody. On the charge of criminal openness and being an overall goop. The evidence is is vast and compelling. To kind of. To summarize. We got he's banned from all magic the gathering events. he is banned. From Gen Com. He pursues the daily stormer for two supreme his articles. A self described Neo Nazi. Publication. He mounted a defense for Harvey, Weinstein wish I will say is brave if nothing else. He has. Peed on the basement floor on a livestream. And even when even when out of his way to comment on the video imagine taking this is an out. Ironically. The comment itself being an epic cellphone. Peden. Basement. He sits in the back seat of his wife's car. She doesn't allow him in the front seat. He's forced to sit in the backseat. And he uses his wife's lotion to jerk off gets caught and then tweets about it. He says saying thought right he he says Yikes when people say Fuck Hitler. He celebrates Hitler's a being nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. He claims continuously to have to gay black DADS, three DADS and total. But then he says, why are you carrying about my family so much when people ask him, why does he keep tweeting about Gay Black Dad's. Oh boy. And so much more. He quit twitter. He hired a single mom Maggie to run his twitter account and fired or a week later. Great Scott Dumb. The evidence is compelling an overwhelming. This court finds, Jeremy. Absolutely. Guilty on the charge being an absolute fucking dip. Guilty guilty guilty guilty retarded. Watch your language that's not appropriate. Retarded I sentence you to a lifetime of living in the basement and sitting in the backseat of your wife, I sent it to you to a life of soy and cut them. As you so scream against others. Thank you. And onto our Onto our third and final charge explicit SIM celery. So, moving onto our third and final charge. Jeremy. has demonstrated a habitual tendency to become fixated on `gate-keeping successful women who violate his safe spaces. Though his obsession with Christine sprinkled, cost him his livelihood as a magic, the gathering personality, the subsequent and attention gain him from certain circles led to an awakening of sorts. Jeremy's awakening to the lucrative world of gritting add sense from in cells. However today, the people are you. Then in a few instances, his obsession has gone far beyond drifting in cells and it's drifted into explicit themsel- territory. Fascinating. I see on the right pokey main and Brie Larson soon to be the subjects of his His attention to put it lightly here you can see Jeremy has made over twenty videos on pokemon humane. Poke meltdown full Karen. Mode pokemon refuses to. Apologize. Instant Karma for pokemon pokemon huge sponsor drop bogeyman hacked. And Twitch Response Pokey main should be banned from twitch yikes etc etc etc etc.. Doing slide has some of his some of the more. Yeah, let me remind you that he is a marketing guru. As you who has you observe these thumbnails pokemon meltdown totally absurd. I don't know why he gave her like is what is the point I see is POKEMON roasted by fans she's bleeding from her mouth Jesus Bro. Bogeyman. Twitch simps- delete critical channel. What journals attack leafy. All righty. Fantastic. Some of the court hearings tweets about POKEMON. There isn't a more manip- manipulative hypocritical content creator of come across and poke main. The question is am I willing to take the impending channel stricter roaster. Of course, he thinks that he that anybody who dares make a video about main gets strike, which is which is absurd and the have like twenty plus strikes. Then right? Good Point I mean he has twenty years about her shell should have been raced. no, she's not the most manipulative hit hypocritical content creator may tone it down to? She, she tweeted out all my bras. UNDIES in socks were lost in the move w t.f he said check Ebay. Pretty creepy I'm assuming he's been checking Ebay. For some of her used panties. He goes on pokey main apology video voice sounds real different than anything I've heard. I guess he's implying that she's being Steve Are. Deceptive because he's he studied her. So closely, he's listening to her tenor and her figure of speech just send it. So very different than all the other. Videos he's obsessed over. He says, I've gotten to a Beta by plying and getting lucky that is like most of us. But why are people sitting on asthma? Gold is beyond me obviously, they do get an invite you people do know while has to sell the product, right? Fuck. That vapid pile of bricks pokemon gotten. To that Vapid pile of bricks. I'm deep undercover dude UPN adrain real. Yeah, and of course, she got onto why can he? Why does he defending the guy and on the other hand saying fuck pokey I mean she's a huge Gamer. Even way bigger than asthma gold. So Yes Jeremy was quick to jump on the tier three sub train pokemon exposed, and once again, we really need to look at the thumbnail what she's photoshop himself into the embrace of pokey main. And the. emojis just over the top but the school. Scratching the, head wall. He just talks about the rumor that's flat out false about her hiding her her boyfriend, right? Yeah. But. Wait to it. The thumbnail alone is just creepy is so creepy. Yeah that I wanted to show. What and God's name is wrong with you man. No wonder the midwife makes you sit in the backseat stay in the basement you sleep in the basement too I bet you got a futons or some shit down there because he sleeps down there half the time. My wife went out for pizza without me I know this so unfair. It's so unfair. So. That was. So he's obsessed with main now this is when it gets really weird. You guys his obsession with Brie, Larson? is so beyond normal, he has made close to six. It's hard to tell because he is there's so much footage, but we late it must be close to sixty videos. Sixty videos on bree Larsen and every single one of in the same outfit with tons of cleavage. preloading channel is. Dying. They have I mean that's his most popular outfit user. There's a bunch of. Sixty videos. Brie Larson Channel is dead. With. The classic So flow Antonio Emoji. Margus Fan. So. Here's a look at. Some of the many videos he's made about her. Let's see. Pre Larson's most unlikable Brie Larson turned down. Brie Larson. Made a Youtube Channel and reactionaries losers are seething. Brie Larson, damage control. Ruby rose goes for re Larsen, B. Larsen Barely N. adventures critics say Captain Marvel. Only guess fifteen minutes. my goodness to. I mean, who thinks about Bree Larson this much. It's just so weird like why Brie Larson of all of all people to obsessed over. Clearly as a disdain for when I? Consider. Myself the number one lars fan channel. Yeah. That's super disturbing Bro. Fifty thousand bad captain marvel reviews deleted and Youtube hiding no can be brick youtube is hiding. To, you are such a fucking wear. But wait it gets better. The first video on channel about religion the origin of his infatuation Oh man. She led out yesterday with a cryptic tweet. To Entertainment. Weekly. Entertainment weekly I board WanNa break the Internet tomorrow. So everyone assumed that I will say and his well I don't really think it's his defense but I do hate that phrase I hit anybody who says break the Internet We're going to be releasing the Captain Marvel trailer, a movie that is it for me. The comic book was terrible in my opinion and Brie Larson coincidence they he hates like all female leads black leads. Anyone is not a male guy as the main character, it's not for him gave vile woman. That doesn't mean people can't enjoy her film I'm just choosing not to support it on personal reasons well. She has not fucked me. and. That is the reason it should I keep watching or? Plenty okay. That's fine. Some of the issues he has with Brie Larson include breeze youtube channel is growing fast because she's famous mean it's not that big. It has hunt four, hundred and forty subs. She joins YouTube he made a video Brie Larson joins youtube. She's totally just like us except better. Bree supposedly has but double and she lies about doing her own stunts. Bro. Ventures cast savagely row spree. Larson and her lies about doing her own stunts. There's no way that that's true title. On Race Brie Larson totally doesn't hate white men. Captain. Marble is in for white though did she say that she didn't say No she's talking about diversity in the people reviewing the movie. Yeah. He hates diversity I can tell. Thread show watch this video it's kind of a highlight. Highlight of. Welcome Youtube yet another Hollywood celebrity this time it's everybody's favorite creator. Brie Larson is, of course, my prediction that she has come to youtube in order to. Take us all down. That's right. Because now that she's youtube content creator, she'll be protected by Youtube Creator on Creator policies. So people can't make endless videos mocking her like the could have before you have sixty videos about her on her channel right now like God you're such a like he's crying about being a victim nothing's ha he he by the very definition of his existence disproves this whole victim narrative? Yeah. He's still pushes it coincidence though that's right. brees. Did you think she knows who you are bro that she gives a fuck about you. The only reason she knows who you are because like A. Tip them off dip of or agent war said Hey we want want to get a restraining order against this guy. It marketing blitz. Brie Larson has facts, right. Youtube Channel, and therefore, that is extremely newsworthy. So I will cover it first of all Brie Larson already gained Thirty, eight, thousand subscribers today. I'm Shaun the that's really not that big of a deal dude. Like her video has seventeen thousand views. Why are you shitting on her? At a million or more it's exactly what you might expect Brie. Larson doing exactly what I would do in her role. On all these youtube content creators who are. Who would thirst at the idea of sharing their channel with Brie Larson to help launch hers Hot Ones. This morning. Near. The video she points out that. Her comment section. She says, thank you for watch by first Youtube Video. It was so great learning from all those who join make sure to follow them leave a comment letting me know which creators I should work with as well. Pleased free. Let's do a breakdown of your Captain Marvel role who can forget the fact that Brie Larson's own but had to have a stunt double. If you remember that there was a casting call presumably for Bree Larson if feature film Mary, Lou but body double working multiple days starting in September. Why might she what? That's the evidence is just some random casting call, but it's very normal by the way to do that. I don't know why. Right that's mall people do need. A BUTTON DOWN? I mean I don't know. I mean only taught only. You're going to have to really wonder dude, you're not desperate to fucker anything. Acting like she's got a flat, ass. Such a you're such an unflappable. He's like Glue Moss on talkable human on earth. She might have but I'm not blood shaming her I'm just saying hey. You know even your but isn't real in the film that doesn't seem very woke pre Larson this is back in June when I made the video. Promises I don't hate white dudes but laments the lack of inclusion among film critics I'm not judging you if you WANNA see Captain Marvel if you're interested in that film, I for one will not be seeing because Bree Larson thinks I'm over represented in critics and assumed presumably over represented in the people paying to see her movie. Now a two he is so is so reaching to be outraged. So social justice wary. Yeah. Oh will you think there's not enough diversity and critics? Well, then there's then I'm not going to be a white man going to pay to see your film. Bold marketing strategy to attack white men. It didn't work great for Ghostbusters Twenty Sixteen maybe it will work for Captain Marvel and the Marvel has gigantic gigantic. Budget for marketing there in every movie I've seen in the past six months they've had her trailer and I'm sure the movie will do just fine right me not going to see it isn't going to be a big deal just like me not going to see. You know the breakdown did. Solo. Star Wars Sawyer. Didn't really affect them that much. But I was not going to give money to somebody who is a clearly racist and sexist individual because she's not actually concerned about I mean what's more racist saying that there's not a diversity an day they're studying film critics are saying that gay pride month is about dudes but fucking. Or wanting to write for the daily caller, which is a has a countdown timer on their homepage. To the white. Genocide. Getting fair and accurate reviews. She wants her reviews done by people of a certain gender and people of a certain color and by definition that is racism and sexism. So I have no interest in giving money to Brie Larson. Given her disgusting views on people. Okay. I mean, yeah that's that's quite a stretch. Wilson Oh so but the so we as we've established, she's made sixty videos on bree Larson. One of central criticisms is that she's a celebrity on youtube trying to be like, Hey, look at me I'm just one of the. I'm one of the beautiful people celebrate me. So it would stand to think that will Smith who's like really the greatest perpetrator of that who has nine million subscribers? would Kazaa with. Be under the wrath of the quarter. Let's see I'm gonNA videos he's made about will Smith. Zero. Zero videos about will Smith. I. I mean I. Don't know is that I think that's pretty telling that he hasn't made a single video about Wilson I when I was digging around I did manage to find a a a single tweet that kind of offhandedly mentioned him in passing of. Being cringe but yeah. No Videos Sixty Brie Larson. Zero Will Smith. Or Night Yeah By the way her channels and I even that big dude had like four hundred, thousand subscribers. Smith is in fucking Youtube rewind saying four night. So I mean come on how does he not get one video? It's Rewind Time I. saw. I. Saw rewind time for. rewind. I. Anyway. Jeremy Really wants to talk to bree. Home, my God. He tweets at her and tag there on twitter. I, am offering Brie Larson the opportunity to speak about these comments comments nearly five, hundred, thousand potential film reviewers would love to know more about if she really doesn't hate white men that will grant me just twenty minutes via skype all work around her schedule. Pre. Good Call Miss. Dr Mr Fil. New Video hit. This is in response to video captain. Marvel is not for white men. He called it please were pre. He's begging fans please share this. She says, it's not for white men even publicly she tries to say that she totally doesn't is this what we watched. Yeah. Because that's literally not even close to what happened in the video. She she's not. She's talking about film reviewers not audience. Members. And she just asking for more diversity. He even even publicly tries to say, she told me doesn't hey white men but her actions or words proved she's a sexist racist plea share this. Bro. The fact that he tweeted at her as the most sad shit ever and tag their hundred thirty likes. Okay. This is what it takes a turn for like Bates Motel. This should actually really disturbed me. Jeremy bought a shed. With the money he made from all of his Brie Larson videos, he calls it the breeze shed. Okay Yeah So yeah, it's twelve by twelve shed you WANNA. Play the video. So exist videos called Bree Larssen bought me something. Amazing. Here's the video. So. Obviously a lot of people gave me a lot of grief for making so many videos about. Larsen on you know the thing is that they didn't understand is that I'm a huge fan. Bree knows I'm a huge fan and that's why she's sending me such a wonderful gift. Thank you for you. Know a lot of people said, hey, you may twenty videos on Bree Larson. Are you obsessed? No No, no no. No. I was giving the people what they wanted and because of that. Look at what? Bree sent me a beautiful bree shed now needs to do a little bit of landscaping around the sides which I'm hoping this bree Larson film video will cover. But let's do a little cribs tour of the wonderful bree shed. No if you think now this, if you think this is reminiscent of a snuff film. Just wait for the next live. This. Beautiful. Twelve by twelve slab. Couldn't insult some rafters up here? So he's got the British shed. Now let's see where this. Now something to be considered. Okay. Brie Larson. Won An Oscar for the movie room. where she trapped in a shed. And sexually assaulted over an over here is the shed from the room. You can see this is the shed. This is the British shed he bought. To, taunt her. I considering everything we've talked about is it really a coincidence? Can It really be considered a stretch to think that maybe he's making a reference? To a shed and a film or she was raped and sexually assaulted over and over and held prisoner. I mean, is it really a reach? I'm not, sure. He always talks about his breeze shed. I mean. More stuff happens in sheds than just putting lawyer Fan. You know probably really shed, right. His wife. To seize sleep in their bitch. No more in the house stinks urine p outside like you fuck an animal. That's a good point in my basement. You think you think about that for you know your wife controls all the finances. You don't even have a credit card bro. You Pat you hand over the check of your ad since every month. Well. Aright. Closing statements I. in what you think about Brie Larson shed and about Decem seldom and everything please defend your client better than the other two times. May Have to get my license back Oh. You don't want to be a lawyer anymore. Math to. Get ready to leave the courtroom. You're ready. You're your client is so difficult to defend your ready to retire as a lawyer. I just. I just can't I got nothing. But battery's low. My Spirit while let me ask you do you think it's a coincidence? The FBI that he bought a shed called the breeze shed. That has a a very striking resemblance to a shed in a movie where she was repeatedly raped. And how prisoner? abry shed that looks identical to shed from her most popular fill where he calls it the and keeps opposed over incitement. Yes probably just a coincidence. Sounds like you're on our team sounds like you're on the prosecution team, you WanNa, you WanNa Crossover to his side. I mean I can never be on your side. Judge. You know I may just walk away from the whole thing. No side. no man's land. Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you some specific questions. What do you think? I got nothing either. See You understand my struggle. AB, would you like to close with any statements? I mean, yeah. I. Don't think I really need a closing. Statement but I do have a little theory as we're going through this I I'm kind of curious if he just. Maybe. He just hates his wife and he's taking it out on arson and all this is just built up. Hey Though he? He has a problem with females I mean generally when people have something deep seated like that, it probably goes back to childhood. I. Mean I I I. Don't I'M NOT GONNA. First of all, I'm not a professional and I don't know but if I had to guess here You know a as a as a judge as a judge, and it is my place to speculate on the psyche of the. Obviously, good judges speculate on diagnosed there. Those on trial but I would say he probably you know has a problem with his mom Freud would say and it's led him down a path of surrounded himself with women that he despises right. His wife makes him sleep in the basement down a train until it's the stunk was too heavy that she bought his ass a shed and moved him literally outside like an animal. She goes to me without him say no more and he has to sit in the backseat sits in the backseat who does that? All K is a quarter of a man. would say he's a quarter of a man. Some would say is a quarter of a brain. Some would say he's got a quarter of an inch fully tort. Shoots a quarter load with the lotion, a quarter load we go. While, it doesn't sound like much to talk about guys. I will say that I think we've come to a verdict here. Let's summarize. Reviewing the evidence. Of some, celery. Again it's overwhelming. An unhealthy obsession with any beautiful girl, he deems Unattainable to him and his fellow Red Feld held and sells. You can be an insulin be married by the way trust me his wife definitely does not have sex with them. So he is an insult in fact, he may still be version I don't know the nature of the relationship. His Twenty Gay Dads by the way. He was raised by an army of gay black men. he is unhealthily obsessed with polk main. For. Sure. Even as far too photoshop himself and her loving embrace. He is unworldly Stalker Sean obsessed with Brie. Larson making close to sixty videos about her. Using the revenue to buy a shed stay. He calls the breeze which has an uncanny likeness to her most popular film that you want Academy Award with. where she was held prisoner and repeatedly. Molested. Now if I was bree, I would probably be worried about this man seek probably a restraining order. If I was the wife of the quartering I know she doesn't watch videos, but she might want to start seeing what he's up to on the Internet. you in short. He's guilty man. He is guilty on all charges. I sentence you to never use a target again. You will be pooping juicing and paying down the drain for all eternity. And You will live outside like an animal in the shed. And I think that you're probably virgin and stay that way until the your partying days. Thinking Pete in my basement. Just. Remember guys being married doesn't mean you're not a virgin. I have proof that these I have a child. So, unless I see proof, he's a virgin until otherwise. noted. Already. Well, that about sums it up. Thank you everybody for joining us here today on content court we have found the quartering guilty on all charges is charges and we wish you all a happy and safe and justice filled. Week. What do you think the prosecution hey. I want to thank an who basically has retired as an attorney today. is thrown in the robe and the books and. Everything. And I WANNA, thank everybody tax and Dan for making this possible. Thank you everybody. What is today? Tuesday yes. So this so we'll see on Friday for after dark.

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BGN #204 I Comedian Calise Hawkins & A Deep Dive into Marvel's Shuri

Black Girl Nerds

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BGN #204 I Comedian Calise Hawkins & A Deep Dive into Marvel's Shuri

"You're listening to the black girl nerds podcast. Seven eight hundred girls to the end from the world. and. Every from sleep. Deprived. Space we make. Target gave. The actors were. Black. Benefit. Benedict. Police. runners. Thanks for tuning into this episode of the Black Girl Nerds podcast. My name is Jamie and in this episode features to hosts, John Dra and Ryan and our burst segment gendre interviews comedian Kalisa. Hawkins. Is a fifteen year veteran of standup who has appeared in various programs from Oxygen Disney Adult Swim Comedy Central and MTV, and her latest comedy album. Kalisa Hawkins is forty eight. F is Khalifa's debut comedy full length, and she is here to talk to us about that. In, our second segment, it's all Ryan and she is taking a deep dive into one of our favorite. Marvel super heroines. Can you take a guess? She lives in Wauconda That's right. It's Suri. So if you are maybe not that familiar with Suri or you know everything there is to know about Suri then maybe this is a podcast episode you want to take a listen to because she's going to go over everything from her origin story to how she plays into the marvel cinematic universe and so much more. So sit back, relax and enjoy this episode featuring comedian Kalisa Hawkins and Ryan taking a deep dive into Marvel Superhero Sherry. And Joy. I'm so looking forward to talking to you because that can relate to you on so many different levels and I love your your style of humor I was listening to a piece of your of your upcoming comedy album forty, eight S and I'm eight F and I have a teenager and I. Am A, single parent so allow. Oh, you don't know how good that feels to hear that you relate to me on the level of having similar experiences because you know you sometimes everything feel. So isolating you don't know if anybody can understand what you're going through. What what city do you live in? I'm in Inglewood California. Okay. All right. I don't know anything about Inglewood except for one or see in the movies. But I'm here you know. For the most part I've razor with Roommates Jersey, city so I was struggling. So I know you get that I. Totally get that you know did a late shift career into journalism and rebuilding from from scratch is a whole `nother thing that. A younger person will not understand when you were trying to do this entertainment thing as a woman over forty or even over thirty it's a whole different ballgame. Yup. Yup Yup Yup there's you know we're starting to make a path for ourselves. You know what I mean. Feel like. With, gotTa entertain ourselves and we got a market to ourselves. We've got realize that we can't keep watching euphoria. We can't watch teenagers. We can't I mean you know there are grownups being teenagers but it It reminds of when we were teenagers but what speaks to us now you know what I mean exactly couldn't agree with you more before I was going to sit down and talk to you. I just thought about women in comedy in general with the face of women comedy and Black Women Comedy look like. So I went to twitter and I went to Google Google women in comedy and I had to. Scroll. Almost a whole page before I got to a black woman comedian. The first one that popped up for me was Wanda Sykes then I had to scroll another page before I got two MOMS. Mabley then WHOPPI. What does it take for? Even the face of comedy to change for Black Women is it as simple as? Green lighting specials on a a huge platform touring touring always a big thing. But you know we're limited by current world situation. What is it even take change the face of comedy for Black Women. Wow, that's a tough question I am up from a win. They were black comedy. These shows I know they're still are, but there was a time when you can only perform at a black comedy show outside of a comedy club and the odd thing about it was I think black comedians were really thriving during that time they were paying their rent. They were getting paid really well for shows and then somehow people kind. Of broke through the barrier and got real popular and we stopped having those nights even at clubs this being those nights those nights were still important because you know you gotTa Booker Who's black you've got an audience that wants to see black comedy whether or not they're black or white, and there was a space for so it's this weird question of you know. How how are we ever going to be integrated into a situation where we're equal we're half half and half in the first place just black people, and then when when it black women are always last in line for those things. But I also don't see it happening in general in comedy clubs it feels like it went backwards. So so what I'm talking about is okay when I started comedy, you go the Laugh Factory Wendy. Williams with the laugh factory then capone had a show he was hosting her show at first and that was the weekend and then a caroline's every weekend would be like Patrice, O'Neal or Paul Mooney or you know some other traveling Spread like it was always a place to go and now I see that as much anymore. I feel like you know. People have graduated but nobody else got to be a part of it. Does that make sense? It's like. People moved up and nobody took took those places. So when when you say how how to black women. Finally get their shine. I'm waiting for Black Comedians to get their shine and I know people keep trying Kevin Hart show and that was good and you know they have shows where they exposed more talent. But I still don't see catching on and becoming like their own thing. You're not in a totally agree with you here in La No, we used to have chocolate Sundays yeah. You know what I'm talking about I've done chocolate Sunday Lewke right? Exactly exactly and you knew that was the designated place where you could see black performers get put on an I fear for the existence of patient something happened to Kooky or even There used to do something at the Savoy here in Inglewood were black comedians would have space to just showcase their talent and those spaces are being wiped out even before the pandemic is just though stages right like you said, people are graduating and going onto different things and you know we love to see that. But what happens to the next generation of black com- specifically win it. Yeah I. Know so so I don't know I really don't know the answer to that I'm still working on it I'm still you know every other day for me is at my comedian Al or Do I still do this I don't. Know. I'm like, should I learn coding what's next because? I can't I. Look to the Wanda Sykes I? Well, my my role model is Marina Franklin I. looked to them I looked to the careers and I looked to see what their passes and I go. Okay. So I'm happy when somebody wins because it makes me go. Okay. That's my next step. I but but in general, it's like you said, you Google lack female comedians, you Google Women in comedy and you don't see her pathways. You could see very unique lake variations of being successful. You see like. Somebody mated versus people aren't being exposed the way I feel like they deserve to be. Somebody made it somebody made it and you know you don't know what like little tiny sensitive moments led them to that point where they made it. Like what are there's nobody doing my story if I if I wrote it down, it would be like, oh, that's crazy. You did all those things and nothing. So that's why I decided to finally do this album for my south because nobody was going to hold my hand and say lease career, you need to show the world nobody wanted to expose the I. decided I'm GonNa make this album for myself and see how a ghost. I'm glad you did I was just gonNA say please don't start coding I. Mean You know if you WanNa do that side hustle that's cool. But please don't stop. Please don't stop as you know the part that I listened to your that was made available to me I really Howard when you talked about how a forty year what euro woman young men are approaching you I can fully relate to that but they're so. Young. Yup and it's funny because they think you're young and then what's what's the? Part if somebody my age comes up to me, it's because they think I'm young. WHO's this? Exactly I can't use this game on you I'm like, no, I'm actually forty. Three years older than you still even though you're my age. Galicia speak into my heart. Why is that such an extreme? It's either they're nineteen or they're like, you know the Deacon like seventy two and it's like Where is the mid range? Where is the mid range up at Deacon? You Know Deacon Deacon Johnston likes to Karaoke on Saturdays and like no deacon nothing he and then he got his I've seen girl but to a modifier woman. No you didn't see the whole thing. Did you then you get to be here? When I read through your your your story and and and what inspired you in participating in the the Black Women in comedy festival and go man I was so inspired because these were my role models, my peers me going. Wow, I believe so much and everybody around me I it rubbed off on me I said okay. If I see what you're doing and I see you US unique and diverse within our own race in our own gender then. Then why? Why don't I feel special to? Finally felt special because they put this task. Honest. That's impossible. We're we're supposed to represent a whole. Group of people that are diverse as any body within our own group. So how am I supposed to represent blackness and female all by myself when there are so many different kinds of black women out there that nobody gets to know about. It was crazy. I. Was Binging pose a net flicks man it I really connected with it. It was so crazy to me because I go wow I'm kind of I'm a big girl I'm tall girl and I don't see women I looked at this with large. On onscreen dealing with the shit they're going through the closest I got is trans women and I I connect with their their discrimination that feeling because they're still minorities are discriminated against and they're trying to be women in a world that doesn't accept them. I was like, I feel that way all the time. I feel like like like sometimes. Because I'm not I'm not like a girly girl so I feel like as is. People don't see black women as female sometimes it's weird I can't I can't explain it. So I know exactly what you mean I know exactly what you mean to use a far example like this recent incident that happened with with meg the stallion I've read some really compelling about Asa. Taller statuesque woman. And you know people think they can enact violence appointed because you're bigger 'cause you can handle it in Ryan. There's not representations I've had this with friends of mine I've been like. You saw how to man was talking to me right and they go. Yeah. We just think you know you can handle yourself I go I'm. I'm still a girl. I'm scared and I'm still worried that he's going to like. Lash out at me. Could you please stand up for me? I don't that will make me feel bad right. So I'm watching pose and I. See these women that are trying to be appreciated sexual people they're trying to be appreciated as beautiful people they're trying to be accepted as and they're trying to they're trying to get through life and that's my story right there. That's how I feel all the damn time. And I don't see that necessarily. I don't see that narrative anywhere. I don't see how. Lake disrespected black women get treated on things unless it's Abou Racism. Aren't. necessarily. Yes. Of course it's racism. Some things aren't like this racist person was this way to me some of these are just like this person doesn't see me as. Vulnerable. This person doesn't see me as equally like like. Sensitive or You know what I'm saying like. It's a weird feeling. Like a man, my whole life. Treaty like you know like I'm supposedly be able to box with you. That's the hostility. The aggression from people is incredible. The black girl nerds podcast will return in just a moment take care of yourself both inside and out. 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Black Women Comedians, all tell the same kind of jokes I was reading the through, your material There's not a space for black women, especially, Pius statuettes for plus size or any other thing outside of the check all box to be Boehmer, board talk about relationships it's always something trauma driven racism having strong black woman who ain't GonNa take nothing from no man you know it's almost like there's no existence outside of that night like what you're addressing on your album with all these different. You know all these different segments within the album are going in a unique direction that people can relate to. Yeah, and I even wanted to get a little further away from that I, needed to kind of get that out of my system but but I've noticed that too I've been talking about that lately is that we've had to frame our narrative within our oppression like for example, when I went to go about the cat right I'm. A. Forty year old woman was a thirteen year old daughter trying to go adopt a cat and I'm looking at these kittens like, Hey, can I can I see one of these kittens? She's like no, those are for serious customers go. Of course you know I'm just thinking like, no no, no I go. Yeah. Of course you know she looked better a little young bird if you're serious and I was like sure of course I just thought. Oh that's nothing i. don't mean nothing then this lake seven year old white way walks over and she was would you like to see the kitten come on she picks it up and put it in his hands and walks him over to his parents that's the Kinda Shit. I'm talking about the kind of disrespect. I mean and I. Still I just want to working with the different lady but I'm there as a serious customer adopted cat and I'm still being treated like there's no way I could be serious. How many how dearly a cat. Right my point is. Now. That's tempting to tell people because I've learned we've been conditioned to do is the white people in the hands of our friends and when we talk about why people they take it to go I can't believe this is not about me but it's about me it's about what I could be evil person like them which you know. It's so funny that we're always narrating to them about who they are versus me going. Let me just story. About my cat that's just me and my daughter, right? Because honestly what can you do when you step out of the house? It almost feels like I can't get through a fucking day or a week without being reminded that somebody thinks they're better than me. So it's really hard not to focus on that but you know I've been a therapy and that's the therapist. Says that therapy says if you WANNA get rid of anxiety focus on a positive thing. Oh, my God here's the advice she gave me. She said focus on the positive. So I was I was. At my boyfriend WHO's white? His neighbor's house for Thanksgiving one time one year right and I was so uncomfortable. I could tell they were not the white people that he was. You know what I mean. They were just neighbors they were not his family they were. They were. You know you could tell them people are watching. So I go. Okay. Maybe I'm just being anxious I need to focus on the positive I walked up to a woman holding a baby her back was turned to me so I go that baby. That's cute. That's positive. So walking up grandma has her back turned towards stew as I get there. She's like I, just don't know the baby's going to be okay because the. She's The baby doesn't like ten people. Would they. She said that and I was right there and then she turns around in Atlanta my face I'm like and she's like I'm sorry it's just you know when I, I wanna tell anyone time the baby didn't even like me I'm like, okay that's a backpedal as a weird backpedal. Oh Yeah. So she so So that's like, okay. Focus on positive and then you walk into racism. No. Matter. What them? There was never a time when you can take your arm off ever outside of your four walls and nowadays you need to armor inside your your four walls to apparently right. So now I'm on this to pass right I go before the CAP and I said I'm GonNa, stop including them in my story I'm GonNa find my own story, my own parts that's just about me right you know and. And the pandemic hit and then race war, and then I go Nah okay I got a balanced I'm not gonNa shut up just because I'm sick of them stressing me out but I also need to experience more of the joy of the rest of my life I need to not focus too much on the fact because it's not going anywhere a see people are losing their minds over. This is a really sad time and it's there's a reminder every day that it was always said. Now. We're all sad about. And confronted being trapped in our houses. Yeah. So I don't I don't really. I. Don't really know exactly what the Answer is, but I think I have to do both now. Ninety mean. And from what you say, you think I was able to do both in that album, which is refreshing to hear because. I know that. I like when when those. When those moments come up in my comedy, you know depending on where I'm telling those jokes, it can ruin the whole show. Right, they don't WanNa hear sometimes. I think it's beautiful. It's refreshing because no one. Really. Kind of zeroes in on those new dances of a forty year old single woman with a kid you know who? No one ever really explores what that is light and that's what you were doing, and that's what made the so enriching in. So cool to me because it resonated with me and this is kind of like I feel like women in that age group like us are often forgotten either have young people comedy, which is data driven, etc etc or you have old man comedy, which is you know balling fart jokes so. It was fun to see all these different nuances. I must ask you please tell me about Ricky Lake Awareness Ricky was my girl. Like show, he's told me about that. So you remember remember episode this allow. If you like ricky, you gotTa know this episode because it was a viral moment before we even could share it remember the guy that came on Reggae reggae regular regularity. Ready. Stream radio regular here again. I love you like shoes talking about it. You know she was going to, she was going through it, and so here's my here's my theory right We are generation raised on talk shows in hearing people talk about the problems we have heard somebody expose like the depths of their soul whether it's being a cancer survivor sometimes, it's being fucking x clan member or if it's just okay alcoholism or you know a woman comes onto a show is having problems with their kids. We heard them talk about it right? Our parents didn't grow up on these conversations they. They weren't even having these conversation with each other, but we got to watch people try to figure themselves out, and now I swear to God. I hear time you walk around and you hear young. People. Kind of being. So self aware and kind of going like. I think though that day I was feeling like you hear them talk about their feelings instead of. Instead, of just being like two-dimensional a two dimensional day they go deeper. Right and so that was why brought up Ricky Lake awareness because it's like. I feel like that's the disconnect between my generation and my mom's trying to have a relationship with her is that she never Felt like she had worked on ourselves. was never that was never part of it was all survival was all get to the job it was all provide provide, but there is no self care self awareness self like you know. There's none there's none of that from that generation and then when it started coming up so she I remember her watching those shows but she didn't grow up on the shows. So she's watching shows. Wow other people have problems. Instead of internalizing and going. Oh should I ever should I speak to my daughter about how she's feeling worship? You know what? I mean. Instead of realizing that she is reflect on these people's problems and relate to them and be empathetic. She was just wash. You know they watch it like it's a show. That is we grew up on these conversations. That is super insightful because I think in my experience, my mother's over eighty. Now that kind of a late child was unexpected and yeah, it's strictly for entertainment I don't think she I just imagining my mother saying. You know how do you feel maybe I shouldn't have said that that's so foreign and that's so not of that generation is it up and get to work? Apologies. My Bad Houston cake, and that's why I like jade is doing jaded with a red table talk. That's all that is teaching people how to communicate with each other. You know and that's very needed because there's definitely some. You know. So when you look at that, how does that affect the way you speak to your thirteen-year-old because I think about high speak to my sixteen year old and I trying to make sure you know I love you have a wonderful day I'm proud of you. If you want to be an artist by all means, just totally different programming from the program that I received exactly and I'll I'll do it whenever. Something occurs to me like we just walked down the street and lower. Don't WanNA. Hear me say this. But we just want on the street and she was wearing my shorts in. She's very tall girl. She's like five seven. Now she's a, she's not a big girl, but she's a tall girl and her my shorts I headed to tell her I said listen when I was your age I felt bad if I could if I was a size six eight or ten as a, but you might have. To wear six ten because they don't make sure occur around our figure. So your friends are wearing zero in a to that doesn't mean you're fat it just means you have a booty that's fine and I didn't realize that until now when everybody. So body positive that I should have never thought of myself as a fat girl, right? So like these are the little I'm always constantly trying to give her. Perspective to save her from getting caught in these traps that I remember being when I was young and it doesn't matter what you do. They're still going to have some problems still going to go through whatever they're going to go through in their stress in their world but I, I'm just constant trying to pump positive perspective into her mind so that she can tackle these things on her own you. Know what I mean it's Kinda like giving a math equation so that when the when the information comes up and they, they could put it together for themselves and even if they're going through some stress, they got that like they got the perspective that can give them a little piece of mind that there's an out that. Okay. I maybe I feel a little bit overweight compared to my flat booted friends. But, my mom explained that I shouldn't have to feel bad about it. So I'm Litho ceiling pass. You know what I'm saying that's that's kind of conversations I have with her all the time I totally understand that I mean, you know we have similar conversations here that it's you know you are not fat. You are a regular size person. You just have different curb says some of your counterparts because I think back at some of that, well, you can't wear or even they didn't even make the clothing for curves now, they still don't because it always gets. Scooped up into my booty talent wear I gotta wear I always gotta wear shorts there had long shorts right? Or else the material is gone. I don't know how girls do it. No kidding. So what does what does? The breakthrough quote unquote looked for you like what is that next plane look like, Oh, I wish I know. I'll tell you what I tell you what it looks like at home I want tile in my kitchen I don't want to know him. I'm tired of. Hardwood Laminate I don't WanNa see I don't WanNa have to piece together a puzzle on my Florida. Walk around like I'm in a display window I want I want a actual floors. That's what success looks me is like a like a apartment in good condition i. that's what that looks to me I don't know how to get there but I know that I keep working and I'm trying to put it all together I'm not I'm not the most business structurally minded person I really am not. So. Thank God that my friends saying I'm talented and keep hiring me. You are talented and I guess right I feel pain on the floor and put it to. Understand. If you lived in California. You'd probably say I don't WanNa see Anymore Pink Green Blue, tile in the bathroom like. A California. Hood thing that so I totally feel right here is that peach Taylor yeah. You're talking about. I feel like we're kindred spirits please please I'm very excited for people to listen to this project. I'm GONNA pass on all my girlfriends because we live within that pocket that you are addressing and a lot of women are living in that pocket. Even if they're single moms divorce as I mean just just people, it's just such relatable comedy in it's so unique in it's so fresh in a doesn't sound like anything that I like some of the same tire tropes that we hear that was crazy to me that you said that the I theory I think every mom is a single mom, I that's my mother, her mother people with so much of the. crusher raising a kid on the mom part that I think we all do an alone. You girl what do they say? Mama's baby daddies made. Mama's baby's daddy made. That's my mom's all-southern colloquialisms that she. This to write mom's baby daddy made of heard that Nassau there might be it might be what we're going to say. But I just I just love what you are. It's so fresh. You know made me sad when a little bit when they said that when I read your materials that it was the whole thing like women are all telling the same jokes in that could not be anywhere near the truth especially for Black Women Hell, we could go on hold things about color resum sexism. Humor microaggressions are so many areas that black women can explore in comedy as you do that. That's crazy that that. Schroeck but but not only that just. Okay. So you're Inglewood. Jersey. You you walk out the door and you got a different experience in me. You Got Different Day than me. You got a different job than me. You know you're from a different place you gotta different. You got different parents than I. Do you have different perspective than I do? So we all have a different story to tell period and it's in it's in. It's crazy that they can boil it down to well aren't you just going to go up there and talk about being black? Woman. So we got that we got one of those. We don't need a second person talking about the two things that we see you as. Right Wow. Police. This has been just an absolute pleasure. No, you have a heart out your your team. Told me you have a heart album. I enjoyed this so much I'm looking. So forward to answer lying you hearing your your your humor with other people. So they can enjoy it as much as I did I. Wish you nothing nothing nothing but success in good vibes. Good Energy in. Your Life, you sound you a church girl that I feel you. I was raised in church my grandma's pastor. You you got good spirit and you feel it. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you for your time and have a wonderful day in. Hug Baby for me and I'M GONNA go in there and hugged by yes. Yes. 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Welcome to the Black Brunner's podcast. I'm your host Ryan a you know what I'm back with. I'm back with another black heroin for you guys. But you know before we dive into this week's heroin. You Know I. Have to just a marvel news I'm always trying to keep you guys posted on whatever little kind of cool interesting creative stuff I can find here. So I don't know if I mentioned already but wanted to thinks I'm trying to do while we're on this stay at home or to whenever I. Have a little bit of free time as I really. WanNa learn more about cooking. And so. You guys also have a love for comics. So this is the perfect way for me to combine both because I spend way too much time reading comics you know into graphic novels in not doing including whatsoever which I need to learn how to cook. So. That July Twenty eight, twenty, twenty, there's a is presenting marvel. EAT The universe the official cookbook by Celebrity Chef Justin Warner. And if you guys are if there's any food network star fans out there one season eight. And there's GonNa be dishes like storms Tornados of beef Phoenix's hot chicken and Nova. Space, COP Galaxy donuts so I know what I'm going to be doing around you. Twenty Eighth Eh you know I probably should be learning before it is for this but you gotta wait into. My my passion of comics meets up for the great cooking moment. So here we go. So I'm ready marvel eats eat marvel the universe. Let me get right. Deficient Cookbook is you twenty, eight, twenty, twenty. So there is my little marvel news where you guys. All right. So let's get into it today we're talking about Suri. And I'm continuing my Black Panther crazy here again again, I save you not seen Black Panther pause this go watch it comeback. I don't have any I don't have any I really don't have any spoiler alert for you except for one thing. I do have to mention because I'M NOT GONNA go back in a play 'em tabet go through Black Panther for this episode but I do have to mention my favorite part of this is because I love hearing series little quips about fashion and everything because sometimes you think a lot of people think in our society that you can't have the brains on the smart says she has and also be very fashionable which I think she is. So one of my favorite scenes is between Latisha right? SHAG. Bozeman or Surrey and Black Panther. Ought to travel dont allow names here in this scene where she busts him for wearing these raggedy slide in his first council meeting. So, and she introduces a new high tech footwear which she calls a sneaker and so like the whole moment, which is so funny. It was just so many little quips between them. That's also when they entered a lab at the beginning of the first time where they do the like I mentioned before the the right over left kind of. salute that everybody loves. So yeah. There you go. That's my little baby spoiler. Yes. Watch Black Panther of you haven't because I'm heavy Black Panther right now and to me that brought so much clarity inane. Go back and read the comics. So, check out Black Panther. All right. So Suri she is she has alter ego ego art ego out alter Ego Arja Donna I wanna say pronouncing that right her aliases are the Black Panther. Yes she does have a moment of being the Black Panther. We'll get into that a little bit and of course, the princes of what kind of place of origin Kinda really wish we're Kinda was a replace them you go out there. So creators are original hut landed. If that sounds familiar is because not only is he comic book writer but from two thousand five to do as an eight, he was the president of entertainment for bt. Also her one of our other creator was. John. Romero. Junior. And he is known for his extensive work at marvel comics from seventies to the two thousand, ten's. And he is the son of a war wing artist, John Romeo senior. The first appearance for he was in Black Panther to May two, thousand and five. Her education was training in Gelia from grrrrrreat spirit and we'll get more into what Lee is a little bit. She is one of the most brilliant minds in the world. She's black. Panther. Sister and she is also chief science officer will conduct boom you go. All in one, her parents are King Chaka and her in her mom is Queen Raimonda. Her biggest ally is her brother which I think is so cute and by the way Latisha stay she's right and Changle Bozen were. latisha rises we're talking about Shiri here she egged I. It's so she did. So well, I can't even envision a no they have. They have animated they have animated episodes and stuff assure, and they're probably GONNA, come out with some more stuff as Black Panther to was in the works but. She worked she acted her but often this part, the way she appeared on the screen, it was another goose bug goose bump moment I feel for me as A. You know as African American woman to see her onscreen like that. She invents she basically invented everything they use from the infrastructure to you know a safe way to contain the by rainy on web the web, the different weapons they use vibrating bringing for just everything comes from her brilliant mind and nobody else can top her and I just think that was an amazing goose bump moment for any African. American. Girl Young Old. You know just for just a female of color just to see the had that powerful moment to show that it is okay to show how smart you are and to be different because she always as a little span as we'll talk to in this in this novel guarantee issue, I was as a little to her to the situation kind of make it her own. So cool. Mia Love Sharing Sherry. Love Love Love. Okay. So I'M GONNA. Get into a little bit of her power 'cause genetically and technically as well. She she you know she doesn't set out to take the herb the heart shaped herb. Shows she does get powers in that way, but we know her to me her biggest power throughout the comics is her mind. She is just brilliant beyond belief which I think is fantastic. So When she does what? So what becomes a Black Panther she goes through ingest in the heart shaped herb to Bruce her strength or senses in her abilities. She's also she's also have a Barbara neom lace costume the costume pretty cool when you check them out throughout the comics and he's the volumes of graphic novels to talk to you bow will when I'm just going to meet you I'm I'm GonNa go real in in in detail into one specifically. Also as when she when she goes to the to the the Jeliah I've been telling you about she learns to She has deeper cultural memory she can also control. And contain her skin to like a statue like state. So those are some cool things she picks up. Her first super villain she fights is radioactive man. She also gets the work alongside Spiderman Wolverine, the fantastic four black widow war-machine, India pool, and I'm not trying to slide anybody here. But if you didn't recognize war machine Don Cheadle, he is part of army he's like armies means right? Right hand man has got a half of them. So You know not the slight Don cheadle will sometimes people I at war machine so they go. Okay. Also, already mentioned that I forgot to mention. So she is said her first appearances Black Panther issue number two may two thousand and five, but we're not going to go I'm going to go through that issue but just kind of give you guys a little thing where she starts at. But what I'M GONNA do. Is I'M GONNA talk about Surrey volume ones search for the Black Panther This. is a graphic novel from. The year is two, thousand, eighteen, two, thousand, nineteen but author Neda Four. and. Is Drawn by Leonardo Romero are Leonard Romero? and. I'm GonNa take you chapter by chapter. So you kind of want to grab it and kind of follow me chapter by chapter here. So the first chapters called Gome. So one of the reasons for Serie taking the black shape herb and turned into black taken the mantle of the Black Panther. Is Because Black Panther is needed elsewhere as continuously says through the comics continues at the beginning of this book. So basically, there was a necessity there was assassinated attempt on his life. They don't really go into from what I've read so far because I want to dig on this more to let me know you know as always shoot me your ideas and thoughts if you know if you have them. But Eight if you have them about this, but Black Panther was there was attempt there was a session on his life. And So after this after this attempt on his life, he kinda closes off. So to speak as Goff, do his own thing, personal journeys and everything trying to figure out where he's at. So she has to take up the mantle. During issues protect a one C conduct from thanasis. Black Order. And the black order is basically a super villain team and they're also known as the children of Dano. So if you need if you don't need you I feel like you don't really need more description of the net children of Thanos and you know we all just can't stand Thanos at I know I can't. So she's facing Banos is black order and she gets killed. And so she is sent by courtesy of come of Black Panthers help and you'll meet also her boyfriend manifold where he turns into a boyfriend after this. But anyway, so both of them ended up, end up sending her to Jeliah the plane of condom memory in here she the her ancestors endow her with the powers of legendary. Warriors. and. So she she. Kind, of SORTA is back into. Okay. Now, her brother and her door in the dorm logic are by her by her side help protect what conduct. But notice as we go through this issue and one of the things I like about this about this novel is you kind of see her go back and forth about whether would exactly she offers through a content and whether she really wants mantle because going through something like that you know can't even imagine but you know there's this added pressure for her to take that mantle backup. So let me explain why. So go. Let. Me Go ahead and mentioned to conduct. This point is known to the world. So is already been it's already out there at the big announcement. Everybody knows about what Kinda so Siri with her brilliant sale has found a way for will conduct to go on his first space mission. And let me explain a little bit about this this ship and just how dope sure is. What she wished she has done is she has basically made this ship like skin. So it has a network of molecules that are wired to carry information to a central computer. So just imagine all information you can get for something like that everything just picking up you know atmosphere in anything that can derail the flight plan is what she is crafted this the spaceship to be able to do. So guess who is on the spaceship none other than her brother, the Black Panther and her her teleporting boyfriend manifold. So he is So she since she's hoping, they're going to protect each other was her whole plan. 'cause you know Black Panther likes to do everything by himself? He's cool. He's got it. So, manifold was was originally sent. To back up but that however did not work out so because. He ends up getting lost in space for two weeks. So Sherry's boyfriend and brother a loss in space for two weeks. THEREIN LIES HOW WE START ROLLING IN. The story. Also mention to since she's she's gotten back from Julia. Be. The will condom memory plane. There are ancestor that kind of her you know how you Kinda have that demon angel on your shoulder sort of being doing television shows and movies. But for the for her, it is the her insistence voices and are always kind of chiming in when she you know maybe she wants said it's probably for on good. Obviously, you know something was year sometimes he doesn't. So just that kind of low side note there how beautiful is kind of illustrated as you work your way to this graphic novel here. So we start with what I thought was really dope was the women of will conduct and they have these secret meetings called the elephants truck. They elephant's trunk and Queen leads this. So her mother, you'll notice to take steps up really big to protects her to help her to give her that little miller she needs to be this shrew powerhouse to protect the what kind of people to take up the Black Panther Mantle. And so she has a secret society she the secret meeting she's fighting. Siri you know this is all kinds of women here different women all walks of life whether they're they're creating the clothing or there's what I kind of see as our generation as a as a kind of a millennial, a kind of young person to kind of give their respective. Her name is Monsell by the way in and kind of remember that because I'm GonNa come back to her what she has she's involved in this. So, you have all these different women from all walks of life and what kind of meeting up call in this meeting collar elephant trunk. So when they're so they basically in this meaning, you know they're going to decide, okay. How do we deal with Black Panthers missing right now one little people to know as possible would we know that never goes down like that? And they're GONNA come up they're coming up with the decision and they're gonNA take it back between is GONNA take it back to the council. So, that's where we kind of lead that right now and her in the queen still kind of frustrated because like I said Cherie is not release. Up to par up to dismantle Beck. So I want to talk about what I thought was dope is storm is also in his graphic novel and you know you guys know that's coming up from me. I'm working on trying to get that to give you guys all time favorite right there. So We get storm storm comes back in town because her and Black Panther together can't wait store more you guys. Anyway. She gets the word that Black Panthers. Missing. And so We learn that. So storms ideas sh sherry is very much about keeping it science stuff that she can touch something. She can prove storm on the other hand wants to take Charles route in Consolo to Charles. Scientists. And this person is the by the goes by the name of Chief Echo. and. So cheesy cocoa is more about the spirits and find people their way you know. Stuff that sure he's kind of like okay. Well, you know. You're the girlfriend. Also, we find out that that e coke chief Coco is black. Panther. WanNa Black Panthers girlfriends, or something like that. So that's kind of weird thing there to ask storm you will about the suggests that but she does. So. They go to what is called a mute zone. Basically, new zones are was. So how technology advance will condie is, is basically a way to shut yourself off from the government or or whoever to be able to find you learn what Kinda they're kinda off degree it's so to speak so they're going to. Find chief cocoa. and. So we got Suri we got storm. They're teaming up now to go travel. Okay. So what happens now is they decided they're gonNA. Do this ceremony to Sin Suri and storm up to space if they can find black. Panther. So, they meet at this place, call the Bab tree and real quick about the Bab tree is actually actually grows in Africa Australia. In the middle, East. So real thing here traditionally used as food medicine. and basis for clothes and household item. So real sort of thing here just kind of want to you know give you your random prefect today. There you go. So at the at the Bow Bab tree, this is where they're gonNA have this ceremony. Here in that kind of background on the tree, you kind of forget why this is going to be kind of like our little central meet up space what I keep trying to come back to whereas some big somebody bigger things go down. Also. Keep in mind because I'm GONNA come back to this I'm GonNa come back to simple times Mansa who was in the elephant trunk meet early has somehow because this slip past me on my I read has somehow snuck back to this tree and is going to end up in a sticky situation with storm. In Suri so keep that in your heads. So anyway, we do the ceremony storm Sherry now their spears up into space. Not really sure how storm Kinda spins on the situation she does end they'll come back safely. But where we really take off of course is on Suri's adventure, ensure get this is transported as soon as she thinks, she's about to come close to her brother. Her brother is something goes walkie as it always does when you're playing with spirits like this, she gets trapped in groups body. Yes. Group from Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah so follow me here. So she is trapped in groups body and you know you don't have group without rocky if your gardens galaxy fan. So grooten rocket right now are in a situation where their ship is being attacked by in alien bug called a space Lubar in ready for your drinking game because I'm almost say Lubar a whole bunch dams. So this space attacking the ship Siri now realizing that. Yes sure. Now realizing that, okay she's trapped in his body she needs to help out in this situation this Lubar by the way get this is a fan of music. And she ends up dedicating by the way. Now I'm kind of skipping down. I forgot the kind of walking through the chapters is I'm gonNA. Wear in chapter three now called group boom. So she dedicates chapter to the Queen of Soul aretha Franklin. And the greatest as you should just dedicate everything like that. Definitely the Queen of soul and so there's even a line with Suri's kind of mentioning that she's the queen of soul because she's now tasked with. Okay. Figured out this problem because he's stuck in groups body apparently, this Lugar is attracted to the sound of music. There because there is a mix tape left and if guys following guardians of the galaxy, you know pruder's quilt whole thing with mix tapes where he got it from his mom passed away and all that kind of stuff. So they're thinking that his tapers playing that's why they can't get rid of this Lubar also get this Massa who spirit is also up there because she was sneaking around doing. So she didn't have any business doing she apparently singing respect the song respect by the Queen of Soul Aretha Franklin, and because now, some weird way, the Lubar in her are connected. So she's actually draw in this this Lubar to the spaceship Creighton all the kinds of things that Suri and route rock and have no idea what the heck's going on. So anyway. Of course, with storm coming back and and chief e Coco is not she's not badly go down like this. So she pulls figures out what's going on. She prue she pulls Sherry bag to our body, and that leaves I. Think the Lubar ends up somehow just kind of disappearing naturally know what has happened yet. So is now back in her body Mass Massa is back in her body as well but they. Still don't quite know what's going on with her and all in that whole story. So they kind of find her over there to lie okay. Our nose and try to get her bag. She's kind of knocked out disowning and everything 'cause. So they take her back to take care of her. And we learn we cut from Sherry and the gang for me because we learned that over in Timbuktu the space Lubar has an landed in the middle of a concert in his starting to terrorize people. So we had that we had that one little part. And also, apart, a thing of the space. Lou, we're not only is this. There's weird. Big Book on around that's getting closer kind of about two. Now, he can also create black holes. So you know they're just makes him. Fantastic. And so we're going to cut back from terrorizing people at the concert to the countryside and we see Koiei. Represented in the door. Malaysia as usual. 'cause I oh, I know what I've got the material Koya comes back in because I forgot to mention the is out on her own little mission as I said, trying to help Suri. So the Queen has gone missing. So in the mix of Sherry trying to deal with her brother being missing now she has this weird space alien that she she hasn't really found out yet, but that's going to become one of her problems too. But she has all going on and her mom is missing. So Koi being general goes out finds her mom's into finding her mom at a community center. and. At this community center is a Pan African alliance meeting, which will start a black pant by Black Panther by the way. You, know to kind of keep the other the other Factions and tribes and stuff out in our in Africa. You know have them meet in the middle somewhere with Kinda you know keep that kind of community element he wanted. Great. So we have we have her there. And also like I mentioned before to Massa is back with storm trying to recuperate in e cocoa as well. China the TV cocoa to try to make sure that she's okay. So. We kinda cut back and forth as you'll know between these pages, kind of what's happening with her and being at this Pan African alliance meeting with the Queen. And also at this meeting, you'll you'll notice it sure ends up showing up here because he has another person helping her out to. Mute not and is a hacker that hacked into series the way back, and for some reason, she's still keeping his hack around, but you know she found friendship in them. So He's actually located. Her mom and so now she's on her way has now arrived to the Pan African alliance meeting. Because like I said, she left Manson all that other stuff storms kind of handling that. And so why at this meeting and by the way, let me mention your mom is as we all know, your mom was only going to tell you something once. So the Queen has already told this Pan African alliance meeting before Sheree so's up. So this is kinda throw Cherie off to when she gets there that she is taking up the mantle of white and we all know she's not sure hasn't done anything like that yet. So. That also makes this Pan African alliance mean even more chance to find out. Okay. My Mom's here I didn't even know this existed, and now they think about the be the savior of because they think I've taken up the Black Panther Mantle. Of course, she goes along with it because like I say your mom tells you something you your mom to tell you stuff more than twice. You know probably more than one time you know. So she's she's like, okay. All right. I got is while they're all in this meeting of course, they ended up finding out about the space lubers. So making things even more dire. So Syria decides she's GonNa go and face this space lubar figure out what's going on and notice note as you as you look through this look at this rate art, she is wearing the glove. She warned the movie I can't think of a technical term right now. Feel, what the you know made out of Iranian cool stuff she still. So this is going to be her weapon of choice because like I says, she's not Black Panther yet. So she's gone over here to handle this when she gets there, she takes a Koi a along with her when she gets here she realizes okay I need somebody else and you know I can't believe she's like I, need somebody that can help double check my math. You know you know some why someone may be as smart as me and she picks on she picks no other than Tony Stark I'm an himself poured out for our man. If you seen in game, you know just. it's a lie the this is the kind of stuff I think also picked us to a little reminiscent of this is what I want it to happen as continued I kinda hope we will see a little bit little Kinda intermixing and Black Panther Tube. But like I said, we all know how the story goes down in their starting a whole new phase at marvel. So we'll see where it goes away. For now, get this lovely treat of Sherry. An arm working together. So she calls him in and so now they're teamed up to figure out basically their problems are they gotta deal with this black hole. And also, I forgot to mention earlier at the concert we do end up seeing this jerk of a call Moses Magnum. Muslim. Moses. Magnum has seismic powers. So he's trying to drain basically he's wanting to drain this energy from this black hole thing. She's GonNa make him all the best ever in the world and instead of helping out shot to make it worse. So to dealing with this fool plus they gotta figure out how to close his black hole down. Of course, Tony Stark does not leave anywhere without his Without his his drones and little gadgets and stuff like that. So he has a drone there. That he's GonNa rig up using equations and everything. So what I like about this is a never take the genius factor, the smartness away from Suri. So sure he is over here, putting in numbers putting into question trying to figure out how to get drawn to work with to work with this energy to make this black hole smaller to connect to close it up Tony is dealing with Moses crazy tail they ended up, they ended up being being able to combine and they end up being able to shrink the black hole and a black hole sucks Moses Magnum in there as he deserves. Why to Show off so that is that is completed. So we have one problem down there kind of figuring out how to close this black hole, but they're still the idea of this space Lubar Fair, he's connected to this young girl named mass She doesn't really know what's going on everybody views. All I know is they gotta deal with Space Lubar before it gets to conduct. So data's where we we leave off in his first volume here also will actually hold on let me back up front and before we leave off after you know she says by Tony All that kind of stuff get our a little brief glimpse of those genius together. We get we see Suri back with Pan African online and I like this little bit of this little dialogue care because it shows that she still has hesitation she's not completely convinced. She can take up the Black Panther Mantle. But like I said when she knows what she's thinking about all these things hitter, she needs a fan her brother this lubar space lubers is out there. So she basically does would any smart brilliant bad as black woman in her position just on just not even her just in general I think would just step up and be like, okay. You know what I just got to do what I gotta do. So she decides she's going to put the Black Panther su-dong she's ready to go and she even as this what I'm talking about about making things her own she adds these cool. I'm I'm sure I'm definitely should have some by BRAINIAC or some kind of like you know robotic ex as wings, her Black Panther suit. So we got into slick cool fit it black panther soup because of course, she may Black Panther Susan I gotTa bomb. Plus. She's GonNa add wings on them for flight. So she's ready to go on a suit she's got sued on she's ready to go. So that's where I that volume ends I do WANNA mention if you if that Kinda got your interest if you want to count going to go back and check out some details and go into the second volume is called Suri volume to twenty four, seven, Bob Rhenium same year two, thousand, eighteen, twenty, nineteen and by the way check this issue check the second volume out there is a actual song in there called twenty four, seven Barberini that you need to know the lyrics that you need to check this out. Soto. By Nita Four Vida Eliah. Are. The The. Arthur's illustrated by Rachel. Rachel Stout. Totally I'm pronouncing that right and Paul Davison. So. Yes. Definitely. Check that out. Also we get Spiderman. Miles Morales the spiderman ever and we get. Miss. And some other kind of cool people that are going here she gets to interact with that. We don't get from the movies and everything that were hoping they're going to step it up and put it into hopefully. So, we get those interactions definitely check our volume to. Also. You know I like to give you if there's any kind of TV stuff obviously latisha right play her in the movie Black Panther Daisy lightfoot place her and marvel rising Mo. Verizon is a bunch of if you haven't seen it before animated series about Teen Superheroes, you get things like marbles squirrel girl you got quake. And basically they're these aspiring heroes that create a crew. And so they have an episode call Marvel Rising Operation Suri. So check that out. Definitely check that out a little bit of TV stuff I found for you. Hopefully, we get more as always we always want more. And you know, let me know your thoughts on who you think I. Think I. can't see anybody but Latisha right playing. But let me know if you have any ideas of who could play. In a TV series, anything like that. Also at Walmart beat bit piece of Cool News. 'cause we we're going from one black Arthur that has created one black female author that has created this form this volume one into of Sherry but we also have a new thing coming out may fifth author Nick Stone I don't know if you've ever heard of her, but she's a bestselling author known for Young Adult Fiction she's known for two novels call Dear Martin and Clean get-away. and. So November fifth. Nick Stone is coming up with Suri, a black panther novel, and if you of look at it because I have a cover here on my phone, put up on my phone here. A very is a very young actually, it looks because usually I'm thinking comics for so far what I've been able to tell us you like teens young adult Kinda Sherry we don't really get the younger version so it looks very young on this cover. And so yeah, this looks dope you. She's going through to figure out how to replenish the the heart shaped herb and will conduct. So that's kind of like one of her missions I'm Kinda reading the little. Synopsis They have here on the book but yeah, check that out is going to be out. May Fifth. Just to keep it rolling I just think how we have all these black female writers. Picking Cherie to Kinda, keep developing a story picking their own angles. And like I said showing that is is Always okay to show how smart you up. Smart you are, and it's always okay to highlight differences and be proud of who you are, whatever you want to bring to the table in and show how unique you ours what I just love about just in general covering all these black heroines. They have so many different cool features and just make you feel great to just be a bad ass black woman that's all I gotta say. So that's cool. That's all I got for you. Sure. Check out all these volume. Go back look at the old Black Panther issues if you want more of hashing I started. And you guys stay safe and that's all I got for you by. 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BLUNTCAST #16  MICHAEL COARD  Angriest Black Man in America

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BLUNTCAST #16 MICHAEL COARD Angriest Black Man in America

"Hey Blunt heads welcome to blunt cast number sixteen. This one features activist journalist defense attorney, Michael Cord, Mr Court is the self proclaimed angriest black man in America. We discussed with him. The George Floyd. Protests here in Philly and around the world. The Frank Rizzo statue removal which he was against, he wanted to actually remain in place with some additions. He discusses his views on defunding the police as well as offering some. Some advice on what white folks can do to be part of the solution and where we go from. Don't forget the follow us on twitter instagram, facebook to see when we're going live with these on our facebook page usually Friday nights. You can also check out the videos of these on our youtube page. eventually get up there and to search the Philly Blunt podcast on Youtube and you should find it. L.. O., Ladies and Gentlemen Welcome to Philly. Blunt my name's Sharon and good times I'm reef. This is Greg. and. We are extremely excited this Friday night to be hanging out with lawyer journalist renowned activists. The list goes on and on. According to his twitter bio, the angriest black man in America please welcome Mr Michael Kors. Seven increasing did. And I don't even know where to begin. A It's been a hell of a week in Philadelphia to let me just say. Nothing's off-limits anything and everything you went to ask us to put on. This is pretense about being strictly above board of Professional. but tonight man. Let's talk about anything and everything you. Can I ask You Knows Michael knows that he's hanging out with some non-professionals I appreciate. For we start. Can I have your social security number, please? So you were saying before we went on the air, you said you've had an absolutely crazy day. I'm sure you've had a crazy week I mean the last week has been. One of the most historic weeks in Philadelphia history in a lot of different levels. Can you just kind of run us through a little bit of some of the highlights and lowlights of your past week? You know I've been a criminal defense attorney for twenty six years, and I've never had as much to deal with in a seventy two hour period, then in my tire twenty five twenty six year career, because usually it's a loss like a might be something one day that nothing to do. The next couple of days do something after that, but for the last seventy two hours actually more. It's been held to scouting what I mean by that is. There's a grassroots activist organization called up against the law legal collective, and they're the frontline activists who either are in direct contact with the protesters or know somebody involved in other words they have. Ear to the street so of all the people who have been arrested in connection with what's been going on since Saturday I'd say about eighty percents going through this group. Up Against the law collective and connected with that I'm part of a group was actually three spurs lawyers that agreed to form a broad-based pro bono legal defense team, and when the three of US came to get this locate, we'd reach out to maybe five attended colleagues and represent. Maybe a hundred people have been arrested man that shit up to probably about a thousand. The last count it was about five or six hundred people have been arrested for minor offenses. A summary offenses curfew violations up to aggravated assaults, fighting with COPS burning up police vehicles breaking into banks, so it's been helter skelter nonstop. How have you been able to separate around? If you are able to separate your legal and professional manner with what you're feeling inside as an African American man. Can get the weed man, so we kicked. Out with what I will say that It'll shop. People have never say this publicly. I, am addicted to South Park and family guy. Maybe shows South Park family guy so I'm. Might it up six seven o'clock in the morning doing zoom stuff I'm doing Webex I'm doing all of this video conference stuff each the legal documents I'm having hearings I got a big murder case in Cumberland county stemming from a drug related homicide rugged earthy, and they're trying to move that a some guy hearing stare, and then split income came up so I'm pretty much up by six or seven, and it's so funny because I've. been able to perfect the fake out what I mean by the fake out. I look like I'm a fly if they've discussed debate serve, but depending on where I am. I can have this three or four days in a row. Saying have should on yesterday. They would know it. As another day, judges another day plus act could be wearing pants might not be where impaired nobody. To make sure I have this thing from the waist up. Fragment they should all over the floor is who is craziness. That little mini studio gear. To make it seem off professional. Getting back to your question was a great question. I'll get maybe six or seven. o'clock my fake out lawyer thing do this nonstop, and then usually around me. E nine ten PM. I'm pretty much done and now get something to eat out. Watch family guy out what South Park are whites. Net flicks fall asleep up six o'clock in the morning and keep it going. Do it all over again. So I WANNA I WANNA say a quote I remember if you said this or if this was something you road, but I think it's pretty fascinating. Light of what's happened this past week. You said with rare exception I don't support the removal of statues or monuments historically horrible racists well this past week. Frank Rizzo came down in Philadelphia, so I wanna get your sense on that entire situation. I thought you guys were supposed to be irresponsible fake professionals. Like a fun interview. I do. That ten years ago. We had super super high super serious. Because I just assume I've had several interviews than Sunday and none of the mainstream media asked me about that and I'm so. AM opposition is the same when I said what I said. I stated Kinda tongue-in-cheek, but I really meant it. Because what I say I say we see stuff like the results that you see schools named after George Watson. People like that. Who now we know this horrible things might thing is. Let's not take it down. Let's expose them, but what they really are. Example Sung in, but may be I said. Let's keep the Rizzo statue up. But those nine Black Panthers that he'd strip-searched built statues around the risk statue at the results that you you would have nine half-naked panthers and that. would be like. What are these half-naked Blackmon? So for me, it was. Subtraction addition addition by subtraction, so let's not because. We think about harbormasters Mossy throughout world history. We WanNa know what Hitler did. We wanted to know what Pol Pot did. We want to know what Idi Amin did. That's not said that we should build my demands to them, so he can expose them. No, but if there are monuments I would love instead of making I. Want my children and grandchildren and great grandchildren know who frank. Rizzo was, so if they walk past that statue like Oh. GRANDPA Michael told that he was the police officer he was the police commissioner was the mayor and under his administration Philadelphia became the first city in the country to be prosecuted by the US. Department of Justice for Systemic police brutality that was in nineteen, seventy nine I'm not talking about the city in Alabama. In Georgia It was rightly in Philadelphia so it was almost tongue in cheek when I said it, but the real story is I want people to know. Don't get me wrong. Wrong I'm celebrating now that he's not there, but if the solution had been from the city. Hey, we're not gonNA take it down. So what's your plan? B? Rock Plan B. would have been a horrible shit that he did bill monuments around bit, and he got to the George Washington. High School for example tell the story by Leeann slave nine black people at America's first house at six in market. Right in really so legend. Get your research and I wish more quote unquote journalists. You do so. I can expound upon that. Yes, I, said it I, meant it, and stand by you know when I was in. Berlin was the one thing I noticed. They're pretty open about they have stuff that you think you would have covered up back in the day from the Nazis and everything and they leave a lot of monuments in reminders off of what was happening baton. A friend of mine said something that really struck me. He said good luck getting the DNA of Rizzo out of the city. How do we even begin to start having that conversation? Because as we are seeing, there's been so much pushback from what I perceive as the last gasp of that old Adelphia and they're coming out in droves. How do we deal with that? We deal with it when people like you and your. Colleagues. You are all white guy. You're going to be all black. Is Your just flow like that? So if more of US could just blow like that, then we would get that I'm not naive to say that that's what happened overnight. Because you look at Rizzo in the sixties and seventies well Rizzo. Was To Philadelphia Twenty thirty forty years ago. What Donald Trump is to America today? Brought is Frank Rizzo on the national level, so we can say oh. We wanted by Hillary. Clinton got four million more votes than got the popular vote. That's all true, but at least sixty million Americans voted for Donald Trump knowing what he represents, so you can't really talk about getting the Rizzo Dna Philadelphia until you get the trump. DNA Out of American. Things I would say this. I don't really mind a person being racist. If the person wants to be racist and call me the inward under his breath or talk to his friends, about black people leaving, burn across on his own property. That's fine. Just don't impose that shit me. Your head, you can be a racist among your. You can become a dues paying member of the KKK just keep that over there. Don't stop me from going to school that I. WanNa go to getting the job. I WanNa get doing the things I need to do so I I gotTA. Tell you I mean I don't really have a problem with race is almost like somebody who got the disease. I don't care that you gotta disease. Let's keep that should. Wear masks. Put a mask on. Exactly, that's exactly so that's the. That's the long answer to your sure. Thank you. That was that was a that was A. Malcolm, X. Line right like he appreciated that the KKK was at least honest. Wasn't that something that he said that at least i. Guess you are the real research among the three of? As a fair he loves history loves history. He finds steps against back Malcolm. Did say that Malcolm acknowledged that people are going to faint band and be bad. Just keep that stuff over there. Just do this stuff amongst yourselves and backed I. Love to take credit for with wide call. Myself Michael X in honor A. Mix a lot of stuff. Give me saying. You're not supposed to know. It came from outer. At so Go ahead. Please just saying like nowadays it so hard for that. Keep that over there with social media and facebook and you just see. No one keeps it over there. They throw it out there and everyone can see it, so it's hard to ignore it or not. Let it get to you or not. Try to to come back at it somewhere. You make a good point and I look at it this way. I love it when I see racist motived and what I mean by that is now i. know who you are I'm really not concerned about them being racist as WANNA. Make sure that for example they don't have positions that could affect me. Some poor white guy who lives in a trailer part, you can say the Edward all day luck. Or the mayor or the CEO of some Big Bank I wanNA. Know that, so we started about racist. Who Can? Impose that racism negatively upon black people again. If you're low racist crew yard doing your thing up in the mountains, hillbillies go ahead more power to you. Just don't be because that's why people often say that lack people cannot be racist. Only white people can be racist and they say that is because white people have the power. You know I can call A. A white boy, his name all day long, but as a systemic thing I can't hold him back, but if I'm a white guy with a suit and tie runs a bank runs. The school runs the city. Atkin hope people out a black person can be spread judice. A black person would be as grimness, joy, a black person and being an asshole, but. You just mentioned something you said the people that run the city. How have you felt how the response has been with all this American? Da Krassner because he did run his progressive. On people get locked up for bushes. What's your take on how they responded everything? Excellent question and I really mean that ethnic wise, too because again. The mainstream series media. They never asked me stuff like this. Thing and I just give them the the state, the PAT and I'm glad you. 'cause gives him a chance to respond I like Mayor Kenney Person. He and I know each other. We work together. We met with each other confidential communications all that kind of stuff, but I am so disappointed in him. Oh you all saw the social media post that few mo- wrote about Kenny. Benjamin. A Pussy and a liar and all that kind of stuff he said I've I've raised you better Jimmy. Through. I believe boom. Oh I believe. Because historic makes sense in Bouma was the godfather of Philadelphia. Politics Twenty five thirty four years ago and I know that people like. Kennedy and others had to follow. His footsteps couldn't make it as the White Democrat in Philadelphia unless you kiss the ring. And what Fa said made sense, he said that Kenny is now beating his chest about getting rid of the statute, but back in the day when the statue was coming up, and everybody was loving it that Kenny was supporting all that in fact, what? It, is that I never liked. boom Oh never liked Lizzo, even though they're both Italians and from south Philly just like all black people don't like this. Having. No fool mode. And Kenny. They worked together at certain point. There was a split and I know from my dealings with Kenny I was meeting with them and talking with him about bringing Rizzo statue down or doing something to let people know that he's opposed at whole thing. Where was a plan a bringing step down or the plan? Being surrounding the statue with nine half-naked Black Panthers to expose what Rizzo was all about, but the problem is Kenny moved to slow. He said that they would try to work on it and he said they were going to say they would get rid of it eventually. Well might moderate approach to using the system to change. The system didn't work. It was almost like the Dr King thing no disrespect, the Dr King, but he was more patient in his approach to social change. It wasn't until angry, young black activist, an angry, young white activists whip to the statute spray painted Friday. Use a chain to pull the damn. Sudden, Kenny in the middle of the night morning to am. He gets rid of so when Fukushima comes at Kennedy for saying that Hey. Can you beat? You're just like you did something you really didn't do anything. You had the chance to condemn Rizzo win before you were in city council while in city. Council you didn't say. Shit and the Abbey's angry. Young Black people name young white people, come out and force your hands, and then you beat your test like you. You? Did something serious so I? Applaud food? Move for being asked dereck and has gangster as he was and I believe what he's saying about. Kenny make sense I still like Kenny I think he's a good guy, but he's not doing what needs to be done. The first thing you gotta do is you gotta speak in the language of the people you're talking to, so if I'm speaking to let Ino people speak Spanish. If I go to France I got a speed. I gotTA. Make sure if I'm speaking to my Latino brothers and sisters at got Latino man or woman with me. If I'm in France, I've gotTa have some homely from France standing there with me so as soon as the unrest started, the first thing can, he should have done is to reach out to young grassroots activists black anyway and say hey. I know. You've been demonstrating against me about this protest about that, but the city's burning up adamant Bernie'll you don't want it to burn up? Tell me what can we do and have some young grassroots angry, black and white people to stand there with him in pretty much. Tell people to calm down a little bit. I said that Amin debt but I gotTa tell you. Without getting myself in trouble as the lawyer by publicly advocating violence. And deliberately in, say what I'm going to save before I start yelling screaming. Get disbarred! Reverend Dr King Junior saying that a riot is the voice of the unheard. And that makes so much sense and JFK. In fact, let me grab my notes from early of trying to be all moderating. Oh, this peaceful revolution recruits! With the professionals. Exactly, what king said and exactly what JFK Casey King said what I stated. King said that a ride is the language of the unheard and thought about that in a so true because. In young people connected with the move organization, people were asking the mayor to bring the Rizzo statue down. He wasn't hearing that. And then when the people engaged in riotous behaviour, now they can be heard, and the statute comes down, and then can't then president JFK said in nineteen sixty to. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. Soap true so the system needs to listen to people. Spin ignoring. You have to ask yourself. Why is it that rich white people don't? have to. Buy that poor, black and Brown and poor white people do right because they're boys. So it's not that nobody wants to rhino by gets up more hey. Let me, just go, nobody says. It's always. A rioting is a symptom of a disease. If you take away the disease, they don't have the symptom if these people are there so called looting. If. They were actually people who got good education. Who got good jobs? They wouldn't be out there. I'm representing some because in this I think speaks volumes about system. I was born and raised in North filling twenty three. Your and I went to under resource or School Pratt Arnold at twenty second dolphin somehow locked up in the third grade, doing a citywide tests and did very well. So, what does this racist system do a? Little Michael Out of that. Will Be North Philly and they put me in masks. In masterman I'm on my way to academic excellence I'm on my way to college. I'm on my way to law school. But what happened to those poor black kids at Pratt on? They didn't become didn't go to college. They didn't go to law school. Most of them were struggling. Many of them are the kind of people who feel the need to loot, and by the way I only call it looting. If you're breaking in two small mom and pop businesses are uninsured if you are going into banks than I, don't call Louis I call it. EXPROPRIATED COLLATERAL Damage. That's exactly I wanNA. Ask You I want to ask you something along those lines at that I've kind of been thinking about the past week a lot and that is that a couple of weeks ago. We had what we're quite riots, but we're pretty close. When people were going to these state houses, and it was almost all trump supporter they were. Off Right they were angry, because they couldn't go back to work, and a lot of them had small mom and pops now. I'm very anti-trump. These guys know I hate trump as much as anybody. But in looking at this at what we've seen this past week I of started thinking like what are they mad at? They're mad at the state. What are the people that are marching today? Mad At? They're mad at the state and it got me thinking like. Are we talking past each other a little bit like I know there's. Stuff involved here. That's very heavy stuff, but at the same time I'm seeing people that are real freaking angry at the state, but because they're taking anger out on each other, the state's kind of protect that make any sense it certainly does make sense I mean for me. It's always it's a matter of relativity and what I mean by that is. WHO has a harder time in America a suburban white? Guy. With the job that might be failing or a company that might be failing or poor black diner hood. Who Never got the opportunity? That company that might ultimately fail so for me. Yes, there are legitimate grievances on both sides, but one compared to the other pales in comparison this when. I'm glad you. Did because people often accuse me of playing the race card. They say that every time something goes on. You always go into race. Always race always racing. Uh, first responses this I'd play the race card. Because America dealt the to me from his racist debt when it enslaved, my ancestors engaged share propping convict leasing Jim. Crow Gerrymandering redlining all that kind of stuff, but beyond that I say this. Okay. You accusing me of playing the race card so much, but ask yourself this question. If tomorrow you had to be a defendant in a criminal case, and you could choose to be a white defendant or black defended. Which would you select? It's three o'clock in the morning. You're Temple University, student and you're driving abroad three past master and licensed when police car trying to pull you over, and as the cop approaches you, you could be wiped. DRIVER LA- black drive. which would you prefer to be so? Yes, many those white folks who are being? Attacked by the state by the system. Many them do have legitimate grievances with those grievances on the comparison, because all those lack protesters would love to be in the shoes of those white protesters at the state, capital and none of those white protesters at the state capital with. Shoes of those or black people, so yes, it's all legitimate grievances, but some almost there's another the final thing I said at his neck. I also acknowledged that. Just as race is a major problem, country so was class and he has an argument. That class could be worse because I gotTA. Tell you if I was defendants in a criminal case already that analogy, but if I was. And I had to choose between being a rich black defendant in a poor white defended I. choose their rich guy all the time. So in many aspects of a mayor of the American system class trumps race, but this was founded on race. Come at a slave, so yes, poor white people have a beef. All black people have a B but poor black people had the biggest. Can I ask you ask you? Greg after you're doing to ask you a commissioner outlaw. Videos of some batons to the head. Do you think she's handling it as best you can? What would you do differently if you were her? Yes, you know it's not a whole lot that a commissioner can do about cops on the street, just like that a whole lot that the general in the Pentagon can do about the privates on the ground. You can simply create policy and tell them to do this right and do that right and use your bully pulpit. Try to make it happen. I would hope that she. She is a bit stronger in her language about condemning it. Nasty Day condemned some things for example in town a couple of days ago. It was like an army of young white guys. middle-aged gas with bats sticks and clubs, and the police gave him a pass and let them do their thing, and she did condemn that in no uncertain terms, so under the circumstances she's doing. Pretty much as much as he can. Under the circumstances I think she needs to be a little more visible and vocal in condemning it, but it's even bigger than her. It's big at her. Because the F. O. P. has strong political power in Philadelphia to good things to say about that back in nineteen, sixty eight. The F. O. P. got a state law pass called legislative acts, one eleven of nineteen, sixty eight and legislative acts. One eleven basically said this. Hey, we're going to treat this apple. Pie Police Union unlike the Teacher's Union, unlike the bus drivers union unlike any other union. We're going to treat them like Prima Donnas, so if there's. that. They are accused of doing wrong. We're not going to sanction them. Would teachers in bus drives? People will create something called. We're going to support. Something called the American. Arbitration Association is long. Kabul becomes down to this instead of a police being sanctioned for misconduct like employer employees, they go to the American. Arbitration Association and for me to say that that association is biased bear. The cops is an understatement since nineteen sixty eight when the state law was passed. Ninety percent of the claims against cops have been rejected even situations like back in the Puerto Rican. Day Parade when the big plans. You take. He not only got his job back after the police commissioner fired him, but he got back paid in twenty fifteen seven cops with charged with outrageous crimes in federal court and fired by police officer rams. They later got the jobs back later got ninety thousand dollars in back paid, and some got promotions so there certain things that the commissioner can say, but until we change that state law at a Harrisburg and very quickly that state law allows for. Between the city and the appleby every three years, the last one was June of twenty seventeen, that was supposed to end June twenty twenty, but because of Gobert ninety has been expanded long story short, the city should revoke the. Abed contract enforce. The cops is liable as you or me if we do something wrong. Is is what what is the role in that that Jami Net big? Nesbitt plays the head of F. O P, because he seems a just a horrible fucking little man I I hate his face. And well saying five. He is the voice of yes, believe it or not, he's not. You need the F. O.? P. Everywhere Act like that because they're the union representative of the worker. So if you got a plumbing union, then the head of the plumbing going to try to cover for the plumber. If you're the head of the bus drivers you, you've tried to cover for the Buzzer of all good but bus, drivers, plumbers and teachers. They don't have a license to kill cops, do so you see situations where people like the apple? Is just excusing everything in even stuff you see on videotape. It said I don't so much. Blame him for saying the stuff that he says enduring the stuff that he does. I blame. The city or its tolerating echo donated by signing these contracts every three years. I blame. The state will allow Ring Nineteen Sixty eight legislative act one eleven to stay law the land so for me. He's just a bad a horrible symptom of they horrendous disease. If we take away the disease of legislative back of that contract than the symptom goes away. Yes so, you know, it seems like a lot of what's happening is is sort of general in nature, and I know that there's this movement to defunding police which. I probably should know more about it, but you're. The word sounds almost like anarchy. which I'm not a supporter of but I feel like there's gotta be I. Feel like if we could get rid of the F. o. p. that would be something that would be a more rational in my view to make things better. Where do you fall in that line? Where do we? What do you think about defunding police versus changing the current cysts? Man Caused me to lose my revolution. Free. Could. What I'm getting ready to say. It's probably not what my comrades when he fucking. And we can't find the police. Expense Attorney I've been doing this for twenty six years. There are some dangerous motherfuckers out. My role is to make your that. Mock clients are treated in court gessle. I wealthy white white collar. Criminals are treated avenue to make sure that the arrest is done properly. The processes is done properly. The preliminary hearing Dan properly pre trial preceding than property. The trial done properly. The sentencing done properly. I'm not there to necessarily get my client off. I'm there to guarantee him a fair trial. I'm there to make sure that every law that exists is to him. As, a young man from the hood as it applies to a wealthy white guy from radnor, so the idea and unborn raise in North Philly. Teach at Temple, so I'm in the hood quite often the idea my grandmother needs cops. My eyes needs cops. My nephew needs cops to protect him from child molesters so the idea of defunding the police. It sounds good as revolutionary sloganeering, but in reality it would not only cause anarchy, but the predators would have a field day. It's someone's like if you let the lions first of all I hate the concept of zoos I'm a begin at Unbelieva any. Here we go. How do you of the Vegan Nice? You. We carry a better around. You in a restaurant and. or the citrus eat. I'm not one of those vegans. That's not like that because I came to begin ism when I was ready. Be came a beacon. You can tell me about a handset so I think is different. Let people you gotTa meet people where they are. Anyway, I got sidetracked. So? My point is instead of defunding the police. We. Should clearly not increase the funding. In fact, we should decrease the funding like that defunding. Again Mayor Kenney Watt support in who are like as a friend. He slashed the budget a couple of weeks ago on almost everything because money is tight, I get that, but he increased the budget for the police. Some might happen. You tell us that money's tight end. It is, and you see the cops just going all over the country raping Robin merging a and you're going to increase so to answer your question I. Do not believe in defunding police. I certainly don't even increasing the funding might position is to decrease the funding, maybe by at least twenty thirty forty, maybe even by head again I gotTA. Make sure that my grandparents and elderly people in. In, the hood are not victimized, and we need somebody to do that is a very quickly as yes less ll, ask the funding for the police and also change the terms by which you can become a police officer, so not only. Do you have to go through the police academy? But you gotta have some serious psychological training. Because once you get that gun, you gotTA badge a gun licence to kill, so it's gotta be an enhanced psychological. Our requirement to become a cop doesn't stop air every year. You got to go through that. You know police in terms of the professor being police officers have the highest rate of domestic abuse any other profession. Any profession, so if you beaten up your girlfriend or your wife at home, what are we doing to strangers on the street? So once you hand on your girlfriend or your wife? You're done, you're come on. Arbitrating. You're gone so quick answer to along answer is. Decrease the funding changed the requirement become a police officer. Go for yearly psychological training and the Kate thing the key thing is this. In every police brutality lawsuit. That officer has the pay part of it out of his pocket. So, Person WHO's battered gets a million dollar judgment for the city will. City might pay nine, hundred thousand and that remaining one hundred thousand comes cops, our maybe a thousand dollars, a month or five thousand dollars a year, but if that cop knows that he's going to have to pay out of his Aachen part of that judgment part of the settlement, you'll think twice. Think the de-fund thing is a starting point. Do you think that nobody's really going to completely de-fund cops? But, that's a starting point so that you can work from there. Because that's honestly that's almost a trump tactic. where he starts with some so far Badshah crazy right that by the time he comes a little bit left. You feel like you had a compromise, but he really moved you right is this kind of the same sort of thing, but in the other direction that trump thing only works because the Democrats in Congress. Our pussies. True. You know because you know I, do only criminal cases while for the last twenty five twin cities before companies before I got deep into chrome. La is to do personal injury cases when I get a case for example, somebody, call me a win a car accident and the other guy hit them and broke their arm so i. I do. What kind of settlements have let's say thirty year old fulltime employees who got their arms broken in our? That's what's the going rate. How much do they get I might find out that they got fifty thousand dollars. That kind of case, okay, so when I pick up the phone to call the insurance adjuster to get compensation from our client, I know the cases worth about fifty thousand. I'M NOT GONNA ask. A five million dollars famous got their. Case why are you even saying five million? That's so ridiculous. Take you seriously, but what I might ask for. Fifty thousand I might ask for two hundred thousand, and then nail all for ten thousand, and now cut it down to one hundred fifty thousand. They'll offer fifteenth as by as time is over I got about thirty forty thousand dollars, and that's reasonable as a settlement as opposed to wake the year to for lawsuit, so my point is there probably are some people who are talking about defunding seriously, but no disrespect. Disrespect to those people that's politically by because in order to be taken seriously in negotiations. You gotTa make a reasonable like I said. If my client's case repair thousand ask for five million. They're not gonNA. Take me seriously, so I shouldn't go in asking for defunding what I might do, and since it is publicly because it'll show my hands when I sit down hours that they let sack come in saying that. Okay as the funding but I'm asking that seventy five percent of the current budget be slashed seventy five percent, and if I asked at seventy five percent be slash. I'm doing my research I'm checking I'm that is in crossing the TS to find it okay? How many officers do you need in Philadelphia? If you've got, let's say six thousand I'm looking at how large Philadelphia's I'm looking at how big the population is I'm looking at how much crime we got and I'm saying calculating all this. We don't need six thousand cops. We can do in effect the job with. Forty five hundred cops. In your. Tanks as if we're some military army, so we. Should back to Washington, so if I as a slashing. Of Seventy. Five percents I'm presenting documentation to prove that they can function with the remaining twenty five percent again. They got to realize this and this works in my revolutionary comrades might not realize that. If you antagonize your opponent too much. They'll just say fuck it and walk away and what I mean by that is if you slash the budget too much. What incentive does the cop half to do have to do is job. Since. Nine, one one call says Dan instead of me making sixty thousand dollars a year, they slash a salary to thirty thousand dollars year. So now I get this nine one one call for a rate taking place at twenty three your in Michael neighborhood I'm not going out there, so we gotta be practical. We gotta be pragmatic. We gotta be reasonable. It's important to yell and scream, but the yelling screaming. Always say this yelling and screaming gets you to the table. But facts and figures and computation gets you through the negotiation. Does if you you can yell and scream all day long? Then you sit down to negotiate what you're talking about. which information come from? Did you have more than yelling screaming so? I wouldn't ask again for complete defunding, but ask for drastic cut and be able to explain what I mean by that, and that seventy percent cut on my compromise. 'cause I'm asking seventy five percent. They're asking for seventy five percent increase going back and forth at the end of the day. I'm not accepting anything less than a cut. It's gotta be a cut. Only question is by what percentage. And I like what you said about the demilitarized Trying say like they don't need fucking like tanks and all that other. That's the shit. That I think a lot of people when they show up to something. That's pretty simple, a minor looking like they're about to go into Iraq. I think that's the stuff that people are talking about talking about the defunding. It just feels like they have you know you have these towns in America with like four hundred people? The police department has fucking tanks and. That's real. There are small towns that have been arsenal, literally an arsenal of military equipment that they have never used and never will use. That's is for foreign invasions. hippie kid yelled hearing. It really actually agitator. Because when I was out. There Saturday I was out there right around the time they were going at it on the Rizzo Statue and everything was chill for the most part until they brought the military vehicle and keep them really really works as an educator. Everyone's detention just rose. People started throwing stuff at. And you know that's full issue. I'm so glad you brought that because yes, a lot of times when clients like minded legitimate protest. Activists, they just get enrage when they see these tanks in the military, so that ratchets them up even more it gets them. If blood boiling even more and now they want to do something to. Do. They might not throw a rock at a cop standing next to the statue, but they will so Iraq next to a tank. That's next to the statute that makes sense speaking. In into the system. Causing unnecessary shit. There have been a lot of what I call agent provocateurs. IMPO whatever reason they've been described as. Young, white guys wearing all black with backpacks and I've seen some and there the first to start tearing Russia I posted on my facebook page, you know. Bloods and Crooks. They got this bad reputation in a lot of is well deserved, because we know bloody grips, a boy scouts, but I posted. Something shared something where these young white guys anarchists. They were dressed in all black with a black backpack Latte baseball caps. They will going through south central La near competent, just breaking up shape about three or four. CRIPS confronted them and adjust knew it was going to beat these white boys, Dan. please. Still please could you can see you can salvage. Somebody is short so when Chris came by WHO. Are you? What are you notice, neighborhood you breaking up. We live here. This is where we lay our head. You breaking up awesome than you leave to go back to wherever you live. It was so bad you talking about somebody bitch up, but I gotta say. Unto Bitch. That was the top and go. against it literally said Yes sir. I? Just they just wanted a reason to just stop. These guys look at me. The wrong way is going to be beat down like it was ever time to bitch Those guys bitched up. They apologized. They called the crypt serve, and they got the hell out of there, but that's what I'm. About agent provocateurs tearing up stuff, but no reason of abandoned stuff up. Yeah, and that's that's one thing I wanted to ask you about because I know a big movement right now is you know putting money toward bailing people out? That are marching right well. I want to do that, but I don't Wanna bail out the dude in the Black T. shirt and black pants. That's going to run back out and set a building on fire. So that's the thing that's kind of been making me nervous about donating to something like that and I don't really know how it works to be honest with you. And you know again this. These are really I'm not pampering to you. I mean these are really good question the way you can tell the pose a good question is I'll start talking shit like five seconds to get my thoughts. I'm never come back with. He got what he asked me. Got The answer in my hey. Do Right now. You're doing that right now. On. Series nece you're right. Let me tell you why you're right. You're right because I agree with so if You're right. Let me give example without disclosing any confidentiality. A group of lawyers will altogether on representing people have been arrested that was that pro bono defense thing, but I gotta tell you unoccupied repeated I'm not going to repeat what they said, but I'll repeat what I said to them as said look man. I'm here to represent people who are out there for testing consistent with the First Amendment right to assemble right to. To petition and right to be, and if they are, they're holding signs and yelling, screaming about black lives, matter and even young about fucker beliefs and getting cops face, and refusing to move, and even a scuffle. The cops I'm with you for that, but if you going through fifty second market and looting, small mom and pop, uninsured businesses and you, I'm just not feeling. The only problem with that is this. How do I know that you were really looting? That small black mom-and-pop shop. EPIDE- second the market or were you just a young black guy in the Hoodie who will walk was walking by and the cops snatched you up right so? I don't really know, but I did say this. If I, see by way of videotape evidence that you're looting small business ahead. I can see my own is you gotta get another Loye because I? Just not represented you. Roll of a defense attorney is to zealously advocate his clients interests I can't zealously advocate or you. If I know you put a small black business, small white business, small team business uninsured out of business, because they're justice, poise, Hugh, so you're taking food out of their mouth food that they can't afford because they don't have any money. Because you're dumb, ass, just throwing the. So again for all looting charges. I gotta see videotape evidence that it wasn't you all First Amendment arrest are curfew violations own disorderly conduct all that stuff whether you did it or didn't do it gaps could. Even possibly accused of burning up some police cars or recommend to the bank. I've got you on that, but if you are victimizing small uninsured. You. GotTa. Get another lawyer. Me Ask you know with the protests and all that other stuff it feels like. The original. Reason in in movement and energy behind it is protesting, putting into to police brutality, and it feels like the response has been the most police brutality, so it feels like just a never ending song and dance. How does this end? Where do we go from here? Because that's really the question how everyone wants to know even if you're not on the side of right, you want to know when this is over. Where does it go from here? How do we change it because it doesn't seem to? Do, are you seeing an impact or you're seeing? People just run in I think that most of America. Is Not bad and the words. Most people are not foaming at the mouth racist. They might be prejudiced. They might be bigoted, but they're not going to let you. They're not going. Beat you down. They're not going to condone a white cop using his knee to strangle an unarmed. Black Man for ten minutes, the average white earth, not going to condone that they might condone stuff, but not bad. So what we need to do is the so-called silent majority. Because most people most people don't vote. Most people don't sign petitions. Most people don't get involved in day to day political stuff and I understand. They got to live. They got jobs. They got bills to pay, so they can't really be focused on that extra style, but it's not until the silent majority which I would say is most of America is not into that silent majority speaks up because you look at for example the trump administration. They're only power because of the sixty million people that voted for them. So this almost three hundred million people that didn't vote for them, so we need the people who, either sympathize with the oppressed groups in society or people who don't condone the best up until most speak up the majority, then the evil wicked racist minority will continue to do what it's doing. I mean you look at this. The same America that elected trump is the same America that elected Barack Obama twice. What is that about so more people? Especially young people need to speak up, and if more people speak up and young people speak up, we can move along as long as we keep it in the hands of the small, evil racist bigoted minority, and we're going to keep getting what we got and again there are some white folks who are racist, but they are not going to Lynch Lynch you and they're not willing to condone the brutal reality. They might not want you to live in their neighborhood, but they also almost like like a blanket Abe Lincoln was a racist Abe. Lincoln said that black people shouldn't be able to blow black. People shouldn't be able to run for office and Black. People shouldn't be on juries. A Lincoln said that, but he also said that black people shouldn't be enslaved saint. Mike Okay. That's all I need from living. Before I mean before. We, get out here. I wanted to ask you for for two white nerdy guys like me, and Johnny or other folks like us like how can we best be most supportive to? The movement causes going on right now. That's an excellent question. The answer is. Often White. Folks will think that they are doing the right thing. By coming into the good agers come into the social workers come to black churches end commute with black people. All that's good, but that secondary the primary thing is you know the racist assholes in your community in your fraternity on the job at church, atchison guide you know they are your mom and pop especially Grandma Grandpa at these races ideas so before coming to black people and working black people Jane's Assistant. You GotTa talk that White Co worker. You GotTa talk to that White Fraternity brother. You GotTa talk to that White, churchmen. There's so many black on Zach could say hey, why folks you need to contribute to the? N. Double ACP to the Urban League. That nets all good, but again it's all about white people. Converting white people there was I. don't know if it was true. In the Malcolm X. by Spike Lee, but it worked or dramatic effect Malcolm was at an Ivy League school speaking at the end of the speak. A young white girl came up Malcolm out. What can I do to help? Lack people now. Said nothing and that was real. Because don't come to me, Malcolm as me what to do, talk to your brother. Talk to you insisted your neighbor fellow students. That's the answer. Good white people can talk to bad white peop- because black people can't get the ear aband- white people, but good white people can get the ear of bad white people is your work to get, but just like all black? No. We don't always. You tell us we gotta have that terrible. Holiday conversation everyone. The next time you gotTA. White, we. Next. Up. Refund I leave, your can cook. I WANNA. I WANNA. Ask You a want to ask you a quick about a leverage. Because right now. I feel like black lives. Matter has a lot of and I feel like there's going to be ten thousand more people tomorrow. But. What should the list of demands be and when they may? The first thing to do is to build a broad based coalition now in all honesty. I don't know if that's going to happen. And what I mean by that is the back lives matter. Activists are more confrontational, and that's a good thing, but then you got the N. Double Acp the Urban League do great work, black people, but then more moderate. Either! The younger mobile. Black lives matter activist of reach out to the end WAC peas, or the end of Lizzie peas got reach out to young people. Until that happens, so we reached that broad coalition. We're going to get piecemeal solutions once these collisions come get what we gotta do. This now is tell people. This is the keep Benny. It's all about unity without uniformity when I'd say you're going to that in a form, someone's like a football game. All Star game would you might have somebody from. From Dallas and somebody from the was somebody else met the busy playing the other all star team, so these teams is also got their own jerseys on Dallas Scott even but they're on the same all star team together. They're trying to score that textile now. One team might WANNA pay when People Wednesay might WANNA run. One might drive a trick play wherever tack that they got doesn't matter. They all agreed that. We got to score the touchdown, so it's all about unity. Wind black lives, matters, and the more moderate ended ablaze evening early. Come together. We gotta find out what's that touchdown and touchdown first and foremost is economics and Economics Amin. Jobs. Job Training. And Finance Education so you provide people with jobs you by people with job training and you pay for good education. That's the I think we can all agree upon that and once again that why is it that won't be white? People don't protest police brutality. It don't get beep bought. Why is it that wealthy people don't protest police brutality to allies because they'll get be so once. Black people get get economically stable position to use that economic stability in leverage it elliptically and socially and educationally, and all that, so it's all about uplifting US economically, and we did a number ways that help with everything from the justice system education up spirit, these is all about the money and a capitalist side. Nice. All right. As. A die-hard socialist. Cute. Are you still hoping? Are you still hoping for that or are you? Are you kind of thinking that you were going to have to make this work within a capital system? Yes I mean you know might took his colleagues. We all about revolution today. Revolution Tomorrow in America, but that happened this country does this country was built on capitalism? So what we have to do is the type of capitalism that creates a solid safety net and what I mean by that is. There right now there is socialism to a certain extent in America whether you want to call it social security. Will you WANNA call Medicare Medicaid of the housing whatever so America's never gonNA change as a capitalist pig monster is never gonNa Change, but will we socialists can do is to strengthen the social programs that people always have a housing, health, education and employment, even in a capitalist society. Gosh, all right well. Let's take it to the blunt. We're GONNA get you with some real rapid fire questions rapid fire answers. All right. So I up of what is your workout song? Fuck the police. EARTHY! Who was an ideal gas for hip hop one on one? You haven't had. up up up up up up up up up Kendrick Lamar. What is a song that the pick your carrot mood? God bless America, but replace blessed with Dan. What was your least favorite subject in school? No question man, no question. What is it? What is your preferred method of smoking? Hypothetically if I did smoke, it's gotta be the old school. Tap Paper and do your. Favorite South Park character and why. 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