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Remembering Eddie Van Halen with Steve Gorman
"Joining me now is Steve. Gorman who was the drummer in the Black Crowes who now plays with trigger hippy and before we talk about some of the Black Crowes stuff in your book I. I saw tweets even it was talking about Eddie Van Halen, which is Kinda. Why you here you say there will be many many words written and spoken about Eddie. Van. Halen, over the next few days, weeks, months and years those millions of words will never come close to expressing what he meant a rock music what he meant to guitarist and what he meant to the guitar itself that's pretty powerful statement Mr Gorman what did Eddie and remind me to rock music I. Think it's it's pretty simple. You can say that he and Jimi Hendrix of the two guys. That truly, and and only the two guys that moved the needle for the guitar itself I mean Hendrix. came out of a blue based. seem. And took the playing and the tone he could get to a new place but even hail and. Really almost came in from another country. Another planet I should say another he's like an alien life form I mean, he was a virtuosic player obviously but he He reinvented what what you could do is to guitar and the fact of the matter is this. Like Hendrix. But even to a greater degree, anybody tries to play like Eddie. Van Halen. Just sounds like a mind a mimic they. It's like rich little doing Johnny Carson okay. Yeah. That kind of sounds like him but. There's nothing nobody's ever been able to do any van. Halen. Did it make it feel a certain way? That each just the and he was that way at twenty two I mean, this is this is not a guy like it's not like David Blaine magic tricks where he gets bigger and better every year he started with card tricks that other people did I even Halen hit the ground running with Van Halen one playing an instrument that have been around for centuries unlike anybody else had ever done I mean he was on the Mount. Rushmore. Of Great Depar- players. At twenty two years old and then, and then he stuck around for another forty years still playing unlike anybody before sin. So I just think that in terms of. You know. Sheer unique. Mindset ambition combined with just. Great talent obviously. But but also phenomenal work ethic I mean he's just a complete unicorn in every sense of the word. How would you describe his guitar sound and I say that I know what I think of it but I wasn't I just messed van Halen like I came around right as you guys were blowing up honestly so that for me the van Halen was slightly classic rock slightly old rock to me as A. Kid. So as someone 'cause, you're just years older than I am but how would you describe his guitar sound someone who was in in it and living it in love and Van Halen? Well I can tell you that that was thirteen years old the first time I heard Van Halen and I remember it. I remember where I was I remember who I was with. It was going home from school in Hopkinsville Kentucky. You really got me there kinks the you know the their cover, the kinks song came on the radio. And and it was playing already and I said, Hey, mom turn that up. It was me and my mom and my friend Brooke. Lofton. The three of us in a car and she turned it up and I my first thought was. That must be like a live version of the king song and I was thinking like we don't they don't rock or do they. But when it hit that Solo and then by the time, the song ended I realized well, that does that's not ray Davey seeing this is clearly a cover version but what on earth is this and it was like making my? Hair on the back of my neck stand up. This is a time when I thought punk rock was the coolest thing in the world. and. The truth is Van Halen was more punk than the punks because they were truly breaking down a bunch of barriers if you will or they were going in their own. You know there hasn't been a band like Van Halen since led Zeppelin in terms of. Rock band hits the ground running at full steam and it obliterates everything in their path in a certain sense and. Jimmy van Halen sound it sounded like California was in my head. You know soon as I realized soon as I heard about them, they're from La, and as soon as I saw David Lee Roth and then as soon as I heard more than you know the next thing I heard was eruption Guitar Solo and you know hearing just two pieces of their first album and seeing what they look like it just. It felt brand new and it already felt like they're going to be around forever. You just knew from the jump and this is me as a thirteen year old kid who is obsessed with music. This band is one of the Alzheimer's like there's nothing like this and they all have the chops and the other thing too as long as I'm just rambling incessantly any van Halen was a great rhythm player. It wasn't just about the Solos he led the band rhythmically and he's also it needs to be noted not that it's not obvious. He's a hell of a songwriter I mean he really was. As I said before he's a true Unicorn I mean, just just nothing like it. What does this sound like do you? It sounds frequent and right in right in the zone near your your key. That's one thing because listen I played a little bit I don't play even as good as my friends who are real life musicians, but it's perfect frequency and frequency is in the tone or the, but as because it's a lot. I mean Brad Paisley plays unnoticed Brad. Paisley. Because I hear the chicken Pickin I hear a very distinct sound and again I didn't catch van Halen as it was happening in my childhood. But when I hear Van Halen Song even if I, it's I, don't know who it is. Just hear the guitar part I hear the Eddie van Halen because I how fast he shreds but the pattern that he does it, you can just tell. By By his fingers and it just kind of again it's hard to explain when you ask about music but that's what I think about and I try to. Always try to. Prepare analogies and most of the people who listen to this podcast here between twenty to forty, and if you were to make an analogy to another band, it's GonNa be tough because Van Halen was massive. But who later on had the kind of? Impact or. Reflected the mass listening that Van Halen had well. What band what yeah. What band can we look at now or in the last ten years and see? Okay. Well, that's how big Van Halen was to the people that were the kids in the eighties.
"black crowes" Discussed on Our Favorite Albums
"What is descending insert. What does he asked me for help front. Is. The addiction that he was going through is just a lifestyle his maybe a place he wasn't his life where he was fighting with his brother. He kind of felt like everything was adversarial. Could have been all of those now. I would say that it could just be him writing a song but I don't think that's how he writes and this is not some of the people we listened to you before they put themselves in a place in write a song I think he writes personally while the whatever it is. especially. Because of where they had come and where they are currently I. Think there's quite a bit of this. I think he probably, right. I think there's quite a bit of a love this here guitar on his lurks..
"black crowes" Discussed on Our Favorite Albums
"This is the most. Derivatives. The word I WANNA use but that sounds assaulting and I don't mean it that way at all. But this is the thing that sounds the most like something else on his album except. The. House. Really saves the Song Chris Singing at eighteen, MARINA That's for Damn. Sure. Chamber engine where we Know. That's pretty cool line. Very, catchy. Manderson Grand Parsons here if you got gram parsons is begging to go research friend parcels does..
"black crowes" Discussed on Our Favorite Albums
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"black crowes" Discussed on Our Favorite Albums
"Would just like to. Stay for the record that we finished six songs no fatal yet not one out. Right. This is P. Twenty, five, twenty, five. My least favorite song this is a song. Yeah. So. It's a cool groove and this rotation. Everything's cool but. I guess I mean again with that seventy. Kind of yeah. Almost like the Sanford and son. Jones at his worst. This. was on the taller sessions well. So when he gets to the chorus. Before he sings on top of the far I which is exact. Same Bullshit as. Do and it's not something in the something. He does it. I think that's probably why you notice it in a bugsy so much because he doesn't do you. Think are the. Not a hand. Cards do. He's not an. Uninspired compared to the rest of the tracks. Is it a bad song? No it was on a different album. Would we have the same opinion? No. But with this group songs I'm being. Doing anything for me because what is what? That low five. Mike and he's Having said that. The. Guitar player Great I think the basic drums have a really cool groove going on is what interesting things happening and it's not the best on the album. Or Monica back. Candidate that Pickton, mckinney mckeon whatever his name was. A Star, players. Fantastic. What if it's not the song? It's the course. No I. Totally get you get. It's not the heat humidity trainer, right? But I have. I'm still miserable. Sweating, one way or the other you know. Ordering up. Young down. and. I WanNa tell them you're better than this. You are so much better because that's actually a pretty cool guitar and everything else was going on as me I. Wherever. Ame. Fears that low far mark seven million. Donna everything we sold five, hundred, thousand this'll. Be P twenty five London and had been better than. SOLTA high Maybe. If you had to be on the cover. And you just pay twenty, five London. What's instrumentation? Here's fence out..
"black crowes" Discussed on Our Favorite Albums
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"black crowes" Discussed on Our Favorite Albums
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"black crowes" Discussed on Our Favorite Albums
"Now. We're going to go crazy. Capital. Into a head shop in Nineteen ninety-four. Absolutely get the mushroom black light poster on the wall and obviously. No self respecting Chappel did not add one before that sublime album came out. This is what all the all the stores. Didn't sublime. Yes. Right. Because that was like ninety, five or six. We'll get back to them and I just love the the chaos at the end. As them whole. Complete with the long inhale. Asked marijuana the best marijuana this curse diamond. This was also on tall math. I think this is one of the better tracks on the album in especially like the way they the way it starts in when it kicks in the just the rocky is just the rockiness of his fantastic. And the Chord progressions so melodic and so heavy all at the same time. Crazy deep sound oh. Yeah. So they played a whole mess of different amps like normally. They both play through matchless and they had a guy that hot rod them for him but evidently on this album they pulled in. And Fenders Vox and orange whatever they can get their hands on video and just like literally feel day and just went out and it really if you listen to the album, you have so much of it contributes guitars they don't sound the same all the way through all these different sounds and tones throughout which. That's gotta be an amazing experience for the record everything at one of one of each. No bring me. The Bachelor. So we mentioned this her statement. Loved that line UNZIP my prime primary. Open me up wide. There's a level of self your. Yeah I lose myself forgive myself I. Hate Myself Fight Myself and even asked he goes back I to shine for you. I want to sparkle zero because he's a curse diamond. So I had on here Elizabeth careone addiction. This about a girl. I don't know what you question may maybe it's introspective because he said he said I hate myself doesn't everybody hate themselves everybody on I, scare myself and tell myself it's all of my mind. Yeah. It's beautiful poetry. It really is. and. Once again, back to what we talked about in the beginning of the Nice thing about is it could be whatever.
"black crowes" Discussed on Our Favorite Albums
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Interview With Steve Gorman
"All right. It's attorney trunk I gotTa Tell, you. I get so many rock auto biography sent my way, and some of them are good. Some of them not so good. Some of them. I start reading I, put down Mike I'm good with that, and this one was as they say in the business, the proverbial page Turner, I was absolutely riveted by this book I. Loved It from start to finish. I couldn't put it down. Down I know it's been out for a little bit but you can always get the word out. Still this book is called hard to handle the life and death of the Black Crowes and it is written by the Black Crowes Drummer. Steve. Gorman who joins me right now Steve Pleasure to talk to you. Thanks for taking the time to do this. You know I find that. Promote books real hard like the first couple of weeks that they're out, and then some people get around to reading them late like I do. So it never hurts to give it another spin. So I appreciate you taking the time. Oh. Man. No worries. Thank you I. I, never looked at it as a You know it's not a single for radio. You know what I mean I. I don't know when I don't have my second book started yet. But not exactly like I'm hurrying through this. What now this? I. Think I got one book in May and this is it. So I'll be talking about for a while. Well, you had told me just before we started rolling the recording here that this book when you actually wrote, it was originally more than double the amount of patients that came out. Close to three times, actually, it was Well, I guess the three fifty and I turned in just under nine fifty. So yeah, two and a half times at least. And it. Was it was it was it was great. 'cause I my deadline Halloween of eighteen and I turned it in on that day. Not One day soon and I sent it in for the publisher and he wrote back immediately like how man great work you did. It congratulations. That's awesome and ten minutes later after it open, the file is next email was what the fuck is this. What's wrong with you? What are you crazy like I didn't think about things like this. For example, the cost of printing a nine hundred page book. He goes. What do you want to sell a book for eighty dollars and I was like oh? Yeah. That's how this work. It's not unlike record. Basically, I wrote a triple album out of the gate and he was like, yeah, too much too much. Well, you could have done. Well, here's the thing for me like you. So hearing that is having done a couple books myself. Not An autobiography I'm still working on that, but having done a few I know about that editing process and it could be agonizing as an author because you feel like everything you put in, there is really good and should be included and is a big part of the story. So did you leave it to them to do the tough cuts or did you have to dig into it and really do some self editing? Well Eddie to that point. I. Believe I'm the first person who said this is nine hundred and fifty pages of pure gold. Yeah Now, we'll see that's my partner. Steven Hyden the simplest way to describe what he did. With I. I wrote the songs and he produced the album and what I mean by that, we got together ahead of time and we just established the timelines together like I. We talked it through. I have a very linear chronological memory and we started with me moving to Atlanta and he just led me like breadcrumbs through the whole story and we. It was just conversations where we recorded by cowling of the the art like this happened this, the the met them and. So I had. So we put together like forty chapters of my my audio breadcrumbs for me to venues to go right the story, keep me on a on a linear path in writing. And so that was hugely important and then, but I went I wasn't wrote the thing, and then when it was all said and done as I was finishing chapters, I'd son the Stephen. and. He was aware of the fact as I was writing it this way longer than anybody's expecting and probably longer than any was gonNA. WanNa publish. So in his mind, he was I think already. Paying attention to the overall narrative arc and looking at things that don't necessarily move the story along, they might be funny or they might be crazy, but they don't. Keep the momentum going. So he had a really good overview from the minute I finished already in his head of what he thought could probably come out if need be and that was hugely important for me because when they told me go away and edit it you know the editor said I'm not gonNA edit this. You'll hate me why you guys gotTA. GotTa take the first path and so Steven Hyden was huge and that because he was able to speak to me talking me off of my perch of, but this is a blockbuster brilliant book. You know and he said, no, hang on the pitch stories are great. But four of them are all of similar. You know what? I mean. They're telling the same. In the grand scheme of things, you're kinda repeating themes and the reader doesn't need the readers. You know, give the reader credit. They know who the characters are real soon and they get your humor they get. Stuff deprecating, you don't have to keep going to those wells, blah blah blah, but he was instrumental in making me see. Where we go and I mean, it could have been edited a million different ways. But we came to this one really pretty quickly. You know I mean within a month or two. We had basically what you're reading, and then it was a matter of just the copy editing, which is where you pick every sentence apart. Make sure that the ten. Grammar. Jerk. You know I'm a real nerd for that stuff. So I I actually enjoyed. Tearing, apart, my own stream of consciousness writing and making sure the verb tenses. All matched up and all that kind of stuff.
"black crowes" Discussed on World Cafe
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"black crowes" Discussed on World Cafe
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"black crowes" Discussed on World Cafe
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"black crowes" Discussed on Rolling Stone Music Now
"This is the point where you almost drop the book in in Harbor. Basically Jimmy had offered to write songs on the next album with the brothers and they turned him down and Ridge. Rich turned him down attrition. Okay down and at that point Jimmy understandably I would say it was like fuck this basically left the tour. I mean in the context to it's important. He did have a significant again back situation. He was in a lot of pain fair enough. Yeah but he was willing to play through it he was saying this is going so great and these this is so much fun and and he was also very. Jimmy doesn't miss a thing I mean it sounds like I think anyone that knows anything. Imaging page would not be surprised to hear that he doesn't say much but nothing eludes his radar. And so I make that point to say where the Black Crowes were in the summer of ninety nine to where the Black Crowes were in the summer. Two thousand or two entirely early different planets in terms of perception and future prospects and that was solely. Because we were playing gigs Jimmy page. It turned around the at Columbia record which was like a kind of forced attempted a back to basics thing that people love to abandon suddenly going to go on a tour that every rock fan in the world was incredibly excited about page planet blown up. And now we're out doings up Lynnwood Jimmy and again the thing about that. That was so spectacular. Is that in the room and from the get go from the first hersal it was authentic. It was authentically organically special. It was awesome. It was not put together by our manager and his manager. It was Jimmy. Jimmy said hey would you guys do a forty minute set with me for a one off. And then he had so much fun he said. Would you ever think about doing shows. It came from a very very genuine place of this is just fun. And what an unexpected treat for everybody. So that's why it was so special and then to build on that and build on a bill and then along the way Oh didn't change Jimmy Page's future prospects. He's Jimmy Fuckin- page you know. But we're the black CROWES. Were in the fall of ninety nine to where we were in the summer. Two thousand it was it was light years ears are shuttled into A. You know Jimmy's to say you need your seat back at the table. And what he meant by that was look. There's only a handful of truly great rock and roll bands in the world. And you guys is have lost your way and there's this small table where I still sit and you sit and all these handful of banner there and you should be there. That's how he saw the Black Crowes and we agreed and we're like yeah really man. Let's do this. And so so he knew there was a lot going on and he wasn't GonNa let a bad back despite how bad it was you know he was willing to fight through that pain and put off treatment until the tour was over because of how much it was doing for us and so with that being the context he had a conversation with rich rich that was pretty eye opening for Jimmy and then and then suddenly it was no longer worth putting up with the pain. How could rich do something so crazy? I mean you have any rock. Jimmy page is offering to cooperate with you and your next album. How do you turn well? I mean by that time it had been almost. It had been a year since we had played black crowes shows. Oh so you know. We finished our tour in July ninety nine. And now you're looking at August of two thousand and all we've done census play with Jimmy page. Now say all we've done since now for me. That was great for the band. It was great to rich and Kris. You could make the point. They were their own writers. They were we were our own entity and suddenly were Jimmy. Page's backup band if your ego allows you to view it that way. I feel bad for you. Because that's an absurd thing on just a strictly fundamental human level. It's crazy to think that he goes on offers that you know. Hey I've got some rifts slaying around but I haven't finished them. Do you guys want to see if they work with something you know. Can we finish them together. That's something that if a local musician friend had said I could see rich going like no. We're cool where the black crowes. But when Jimmy does it especially in light of all that. Jimmy's just done for us. It's just on a real baseline human interaction level it's just astounding and again a lot of stuff points to their sadness there. It's just like man. What does that say about someone that can say those words to Jimmy Page when he's comes to your room to off you know it's like hey remember that sort? I pulled out of the Rock and handed you. Here's another one whether it works or not you know and again just if you want to think through it logically. We're talking about being a studio neo. Maybe in eight months like there's a lot of time if you don't WanNa do it to push that off right. There could have been a polite way. There's a very polite way but then also what that says of from rich to do that what that says about his views of not just me but Chris then peadar manager who put this whole thing together and everybody that was on that tour and everybody that was invested. Heavily in this band's future you know. He made that decision for everybody his momentary. I don't need you to write songs for me. Turned into everybody. Everybody having a very very different next Six months have you gotten any feedback on this book from the Brothers Robinson. No does that surprise. You know it. It doesn't surprise me since they're about to announce a tour. I'm sure they're being advised. And they're thinking very carefully about what they're gonNA say. It doesn't help announce a tour for twenty twenty knowing that every article article about the tours going to mention. There's a book out I mean it's it's a thorn in their shoe Arina stone in their shoe a phantom aside. Oh yeah right but they you know it's not something. I'm sure sure they're pleased with but I know that they were not happy that it was even going to happen before they knew what was in it. You know I mean they don't like someone else who are you to write a book about the Black Crowes which speaks is to why. The blackhawks don't exist. Because their opinion would be to look at me and go. Who the hell do you think you are you think Chris is capable of being humble that I think of you know he he wanted whatever was seventy five percent of the ban and you guys turned him down and he ends up in Chris Robinson Brotherhood who you know? I watched a couple of days in the plane and they actually. I'm quite good and he seemed very happy but they're playing. They're playing tiny clubs. So is there any part of him that gets humbled by an experience like that and let's go back to rich with a more generous spirit or is that just not how we weren't I don't imagine I mean. They've spent the last six years. As far as I've heard just ripping the shit out of each other you know left and right Chris the kind of guy who can talk himself into believing anything if he hears himself say it than he thinks. It's true. So the real impetus and motivations for the tour. They're about to announce if it's to prove that the black CROWES aren't dead like Steve said or if it's because they both need money whatever the reasons are he can come up with a great story and try to sell it and I'm sure that's what they're gonNA do and by the way perfectly fine with them. Doing it just has nothing to do with me. I'm six years removed from the Black Crowes and and six years very happily removed from the black crowes and on every possible level. Personally the best six years of my life. I don't have any beef about them going forward and doing it. It's going to be interesting to see what they say having just spent as I said six years accusing each other of hypocrisy and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. But now they need each other again and of course there is ultimately the sad postscript which is when we had this amazing band. We could have just stayed and done things our own way. And then you wouldn't have to have a thirtieth year anniversary tour which which makes no sense how do you explain the animus between the brothers I don't it was there before I got there and so you'd have to speak to things that I'm I'm aware of you know I can describe it but I can't explain it. Did you ever try to dig into it with them and be like just like what because obviously this drug stuff. But there's there's just like I don't know I mean every family has its own culture and it's all the family they came from. You know both their parents stand nancy. were wonderful to me. They love their boys. I mean they were incredibly supportive. As far as I saw they were as proud as any parents could be as far as I saw. But I don't know what was going on. Otherwise I heard Chris's says version of what their families like heard rich's version of what their family was like. And then I saw what I saw and so I'm not gonNA speak about that other than to say how I was treated treated and I was always welcomed as a member of the family. What advice would you have if any for whoever is playing drums on the upcoming black crowes reunion tour? I would just try to enjoy it. I mean it's great music and You know I would wear a Swiss National Soccer Jersey to all rehearsals and just be neutral and It's funny question. I haven't I wouldn't even know where to start. Actually just good luck. That's what I would say. Excellent Steve Gorman. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you sir. So that's.
"black crowes" Discussed on Rolling Stone Music Now
"All that I mean the second album hold up extremely wealthy harmony. I agree again made that one work. That was US having gone. Gone out and for shake your moneymaker. We toured for twenty months. And we really were the kind of band that would get on a bus. After show and put on a led Zeppelin bootleg all study. Study it or a little feat bootleg or stones and seventy two and we would. We were consumed with listening to music on days off. Chris had a stereo in his room and everybody would hang out in his room room and we listened to music and we took that very very seriously like our competition was never guns and roses Pearl Jam. Competition was Zeppelin and little feet. If if you will like I mean you know not a stated objective. But that's what we were comparing ourselves to and that's where we wanted to get and so that's no small feat to say I WANNA WANNA be like seventy seven little feet you know it's Kinda like okay kid. Go ahead but we got really good trying to get there and so the band by the end of the shake. Your moneymaker tour. We were of an absolutely formidable world class rock and roll band and then we added Mark Ford to the band and that just elevated to this next place where now there was we had also now this lead guitar player who was from another place. I mean he elevated what we had already done. The final piece of the puzzle was there so when we went in to make the second record again with George Producing Brendan's production career career taken off Brennan O'Brien but he came back to engineer just to do it. You know because that had been the start to his career was getting working with us. And then meeting George and then Rick Rubin and then he was off and running so we got the team back together for the second album and unlike the first album where it took days to get tracks and George head coach through the studio process we walked in setup knocked knocked out in a matter of days while the band was as confident and most importantly as cohesive as it would ever be like there was no very very answer questions about what we're trying to do with each song as a song was written and brought to the band by rich and Chris or as a song was written with the band in the room room. Whichever the process was they found their place very quickly and we would they were writing and we were producing and arranging saw arena getting songs together in in looking back now? It's an incredible clip and we had gotten really efficient by which I mean we didn't have to talk about things that could hand gestures. Everybody could read each other very very. Yeah well in all six directions in the band and so that band was incredibly special for awhile and so the second album was that was saying okay. The first album was is way bigger than we ever thought it could be and we were in overheads a couple years ago making that record but now we've caught up in surpassed anything we ever thought we could be and we're going to show you what this is and so that that the jump from the first of the second record to me is the biggest jump is as big a jump as any bans gonNA make it also you know. Frankly set up an anticipation that that's where the band starts ups and downs. But that's where the band starts to go wrong. Of course is after the second right because if it had continued on that progression it could have been much more than ended up being it without now. That's where the tragedy really start looking at the. It's it's interesting too because you know everybody will you told me you had you just blasted right through the book and I mean a lot of people have which is great. It's very readable and it was written to be readable. Obviously I I like the people sit down and lose two days and they read the book. I think there. There is a lot of stuff that that gets glossed over or is missed. Or maybe as it's my fault as a writer that I didn't make it as clear but as things started to go ride in the band and I'm I'm responding you haven't said this but a lot of I have gotten this question a lot. The commercial prospects for the Black Crowes went sideways and people seem to think that was what my problem was. The commercial viability and success of the band went hand in hand with the band. Being a collective cohesive unit and the problem for me with the Black Crowes story the things that will always make me sad and the missed opportunities. It's not about we didn't get to arenas it's not about. We didn't sell six million albums. The third time around. It's it's the things that all led to the ban splintering. I mean it was always internal every problem abandoned her head like the thing about grunge. That's funny is like. Yeah that bummed us out to see us be eclipsed overnight by all these new bands then then on the heels of grunge came whatever was next. I mean you know third eye blind and matchbox twenty. And there's always new bands so you never get that moment back but none of that ever really impacted the Black Crowes what killed the black Crowes was the black Crowes who was always an internal the external machination of the music industry. We never ever cared honestly enough about it and when things did bother US instead of just admitting they bothered us like a normal person would and then either come up with a plan to deal with it or just go. It's it's not worth the fight and move on. We ignored it and pretended we didn't care and it festered. Just there was all this anxiety and anger and angst at all times because nothing nothing was ever addressed in real time and nothing was ever properly dealt with and ultimately what we're talking about is addiction and what we're talking about as codependency and and betrayal and loyalty and all of those things in mixed amounts coming and going day in and day out. I mean it's a story that's anybody that's been in a family with addiction can read this book book. And they're gonNA go like this isn't a bad it's family. Anybody can relate to a lot of the things that were going on. The second album was made super sober. Super focused yes by what people think. Then we get to the third album and again that's where it just flies off the rails and one of the things. We were talking before the show started. Chris actually goes to you you when you didn't want to do coke while recording the album this fucking rock and roll fucking band your fucking pussy like come on man. Well that's You you know and I know that's a startling thing to read and that was just another moment in time in the ban. The idea that you had to drink and do drugs was to him. Everything I mean it was a real bravado. It's much cheese. Mo- thing to him and he's got an incredible constitution for chemicals. Clearly plenty of other people don't and a lot. The people that came into the orbit of the Black Crowes ended up in the trash bin because they tried to keep up and couldn't and if that's something that he wants to wave that flag and say you know I'm the general all of the drug army. Okay great so fucking what I mean. That's not something that and again I look at this and say I feel ultimately sadness because when you're someone who is as just plain as day that for anybody that needs that much if that's what you're building yourself up on their some incredible damage and sadness and there's a real hole that you're trying to fill that's obvious but when you're in a band you're in a submarine and when you're in a submarine. The context goes away really quick. I said for years. The hardest part of being in a band is being in a band because by the time you're five years into touring constantly where to pull over. The bus for. Lunch is as big an argument as what the first single should be see. You lose all perspective. The fights are never resolved so the fights never end they start. It's just always there before. The third album was America. Ah was something called tall and it was just utterly wasted effort. Yeah what was that like to even go back through that period because that's where the horror movies there's a lot of stuff to write wasn't as difficult as you might think only because I'd already gone through it and processed it and I've had my therapy and I've had plenty of have time to think about these things but that said it was still very it's very difficult to put it all down into write it all out. I did find myself at times thinking like I can't and believe this happened. I can't you know you're talking about a ban that in nineteen eighty nine a month before the album comes out or two months before I album came out but AH I. Almar advanced for the ban was five thousand dollars. Everyone got a thousand bucks. I walked into the record store that I worked on Halloween Day. One thousand nine nine and gave my two weeks notice. Ah said Oh no. I'm sorry I walked in mid October so I got two weeks. Everybody and I was the conquering hero because I had a thousand dollars. I quit my job. The records out in February. I'll be cool also. My last day was Halloween. I was back at Thanksgiving weekend out of money back at the record store because I'd spent my thousand dollars so that's where everybody was. We we all lived in someone else's home. None of us had a nickel and then four years later we spent six hundred thousand dollars on a record that we don't put out that big. Nobody can steer Chris off this ledge. It's like were burning. Money like literally laying on fire into him. That meant all you care about money and you know we had the argument in many times like no. I actually don't like I don't drive a Porsche and I'm not vacationing in five star hotels. I don't care about money I care about wasting money and there is the big difference there that most people can understand but he absolutely couldn't how much of this was just an incredible self destructive urge. Maybe especially Ashley increase maybe enrich to like even just all the self sabotaging stuff like even the cover of America putting on the real reason and then basically telling the guy from best buy to fuck off and these things that just seem like how much of it was. Just this urge to like destroy all of it. I think people that don't have an expectation of the book and people that don't really care about the black crowes conceive. A lot of this a little more clearly fans are troubled by of course and they think I'm like trying to pick fights and is trying to crush people in it mile feeling about what you just said is that self destructive thing is in eight. It's genetic it's in Chris's DNA in it's heartbreaking. Because because the guy that I saw him turn into by ninety to ninety three I thought was an incredibly authentic writer and being an artist and a guy that I was still ready to lineup behind and do everything I could to contribute. I'll put my entire life into where this guy wants to lead this collection of musicians and we all saw it that way you know. He's not the coach. He's the quarterback. He's not the owner. He's you know. And and he of course immediately upon the second album success and by the time that tour was done. We're headlining festivals in Europe. He thought well. Then I'm now going to be in charge of all creative decisions now. He had never been that before he certainly was the instigator and the catalyst and no one ever questioned that will except rich but no one ever questioned that but it was this line that he crossed where now I'm GonNa make all decisions. I'm going to direct videos. I'm going to pick the album artwork and he just needed needed to do all of these things that every decision was met with clear compelling evidence that this is not your strength these are not your wheel. Houses any truly didn't care and so that level level of sabotage and you know put that stick down and you're going to drive this thing into the Turt- no matter what at a certain point you realize like Oh there's nothing to be done here..
"black crowes" Discussed on Rolling Stone Music Now
"Didn't I didn't get it personally too. Worked up about it but the robin rich was rich. Liked I know rich was in Nevada. Ah I think it's the same thing in soundgarden. Chris had a real issue with watching other bands. You know we were the band of the minute for a minute and you know we were like between guns and Roses Nirvana there. Was this black crowes year. Ninety one where we became the biggest new thing and then before we even finished with the tour were two months out from the end of shake. Your moneymaker and then never mind hits hits and within three weeks you know took us a year to get on everybody's radar. They were at number one in three weeks. It was almost like okay. We just opened this door for ourselves yourselves. And then this mack truck rolled over enrolled came through and knocked us out of the way in terms of awareness. And you know the band of the moment when that went away for us. Yes it went away sharply but that happens to every band eventually and what had happened us. It was It flew very counter to the imaging of the band and the things that we were presenting to care about it. Of course we cared about it. It sucked you know when you're going everywhere everyone's like Oh my God you guys are the this is the record. You're the best new band and Blah Blah Blah and then literally overnight. It's another band. Is that guy you're like well hang on. We're just getting used to this. We're just getting comfortable in this role and it's not even just another band. It became an entire ever really be part of course. Yeah and and here's the thing that's so frustrating about the black crowes. We didn't want to be part of it but then we resented that had happened. You know it's like we were set up by ninety two ninety three to be in our own lane and be you know leaders and what I mean by that as we could've let ourselves anywhere we weren't attached to a movement. I mean trust me. That was a weight. Wait on the back of all those bands to suddenly realize they're all connected together in the minds of the public you and they all had to do with their own issues. We were a separate entity entity totally in our own lane by ninety three and ready to be there forever and set up in the way the business works behind the scenes but also as what had become a really great eight band and inefficient van producing new material and Blah Blah Blah Blah. We were all good to go and still had to be angry about all the other things you know. It was never that was never enough. There's always there are people in the world that need a wall to push against and when there's not a wall they have to go make a new one and it's Chris who really like hated Nirvana and proud. I don't think he had a problem relative. I think he actually liked Nirvana okay but yeah the Pearl. Jam thing wound up the whole idea. I don't ever fucking talk to me. Well embarrassing he came back later. I do know that he later was like that guy wrote great songs so I'm not trying to just kick dirt face for everything but no there was a moment making the third album in pre production. I and rich was just cranking the second von of the Third Nirvana record in Utero. The second big one and I remember listening to all apologies with him and he was just like I. I just WanNa rock this rocks. Why are we not listening richer saying this is people like rock music and I like rock music and our best songs Iraq songs? Why are we doing these as the other things and Chris didn't WanNa hear it? You know he was on a mission to do something that with the more time that passes becomes more and more confusing on on any particular date seems like he was very clear about some direction. But the next day might be something entirely different without question. like you said at the beginning. It's a heartbreaking or if there's a lot of sadness business I mean like the book and General to me is funny and sad. It's not angry. I've been angry in the past. It's not bitter. It's sad and it's always going to be sad and I'm okay with that because the story makes perfect sense this to me. Now that it's done it's just it sits where it sits and that's the story so that's my story anyway so I wanna take a moment and talk about vivid seats. Staying at home is Great. But eventually you just gotTa get out of the House whether you go to see your favorite band from cheer on your.
"black crowes" Discussed on Rolling Stone Music Now
"I am Brian. Hi this rolling stone music now. Not long ago I sat down in the studio with Steve Gorman. The former drummer of the black crowes and this was right before. The Black Crowes announced the reunion. Steve wrote this book called hard to handle the life and death of the Black Crowes. A memoir you're he co wrote it with Steve Heiden a friend of the show. This book is wild. Even if you don't care about the black Crowes it's a hilarious and genuinely gripping account of Aban. That just seems determined to self destruct. It's one of the most jaw dropping and entertaining rock members. I can remember reading reading for a long time. So excited to have Steve here. And let's go right into that in a real man. I don't even know where to start and I think I think it's I'm yeah exactly and and I think we'll jump around. We're not gonNA tell the story chronologically but separate even from the madness of the black crowes. I couldn't get my head around one detail at the beginning. which is that? You must be some kind of weird drum prodigy because you basically jumped into what became a nationally famous important excellent band with barely any drum experience. I didn't get it well. I did it by being pretty obsessed with drumming and just not ever doing anything about it from the time. I was six one of my older brothers. Tom Handed me some Beatles albums when I was six so they remind so that meant they mattered and I put on help in the first first time I ever heard ticket to ride. I started air drumming. I didn't know what I was doing. I was like my arms are flailing and I'm like what is that thing that guys doing on those drums. It started that day and it never ever went away. I just I felt such a connection to first of all Ringo Starr's drumming but then drumming beyond that and then just as my record collection grew and I became obsessed the idea of being in a band. It was an assumed thing from a very early age. I'm going to be in a drummer abandoned day. Like I just never occurred to me. That wouldn't happen but despite practically we know you weren't practicing I never had kit. I never did anything I just thought about it and I thought about it and obsessed about it when I started going to see bands and clubs like in high school and college judge. I was so zoomed in on the drummer all the time I was really thinking about it. And there's a point to this. I'm not going to get too long winded. I really thought about every drummer. And what they did. And and how what they did impacted the other players in the band. I mean I would literally be thinking all these things while enjoying a show and so when I did finally get a call from a friend who said let's start a band and I said Okay and I was twenty one years old. I had played a drum kit by then a handful of times. But I'd never owned a kit or anything so when I bought a kit and set it up for the first day and was going to practice with the band the most important thing for any young band local rock band trying to get started. The most important thing for drummer is to know what not to do because his most drummers get in the way of everybody else. Because they're trying to be Keith. Moon and I'm putting in simplest terms. I thought I'm just here to be a drum machine I'm gonNA play straight and I'm not gonNA speed up and they're going to write the songs the first Banos inner. They're going to tell me what to play. I was cool with all of it. I just wanted to be in the room and be sitting behind a drum kit and and I thought well I'm not gonNA screw it up. I wasn't going to be great but I wasn't going to be bad. And that's a real important line in young. I starting off bands. Yeah I mean it's Interesting lesson you can essentially become really good drummer in your head and then sit added. Well I will say this to. I do have a natural inclination. Obviously I mean I I I always knew and I always felt it. It wasn't even so much like oh I really want that life. I mean it sounds weird it was a calling. It was just an awareness of oh I can do that and I know that's what I'm supposed to be doing and so it just took me a long time to get around to doing it but once I did. It never surprised me that I got pretty good pretty fast. So you meet the Robinson brothers. And it's not really a case where you meet these guys and I. It's kind of like love at first sight and only over a long period of years. Do you see there might be some problems here. It kind of from the beginning your. What did you see from the very beginning from the from the jump? I mean all the you know Chris was was exactly what you might expect but even more so because he was twenty emmy he was beyond animated. And you know didn't have a filter. Every thought came right out of his mouth south and he was hilariously funny and Manic and exhausting like that was all on display. Right from the night I moved to Atlanta and I met rich the next day and he was the exact opposite as a younger brother would b. he's just completely withdrawn. You know just no interest in being sociable whatsoever. They were just complete polar opposites and then their relationship because I saw them play a show my second night in town. They were glaring at each other and showing teeth from the beginning. And it was just always right there. You know I have five brothers and I know what brotherly tension can be. This is at a level beyond what I'd ever experienced but I also sort of understood it too. Why did shake your moneymaker turn out so well because we we had a great producer who helped us find our strengths and we for the first and one of the last times were smart enough to listen to somebody that knew a lot more than we did and so we let him produce us well? We didn't have a choice. We couldn't have made that record without George guiding every step of the way we met George in the spring of eighty eight. And you you know little over a year later we made that album and for that twelve fourteen fifteen months. He was constantly giving direction and we constantly took everything he said on. And it's funny because people say go he made your man no he didn't he took. What was there and shaped it? You know it's just like a coach basketball team you know it's I mean it really is. It's like okay. You're a great talent but let me tell you how you can be the most effective and you know we weren't prince we couldn't produce ourselves. We didn't have that. Say that. Beetles had George Martin. You know what I mean. No one thinks the Beatles Beatles didn't know what they were doing but you had to have somebody that says okay. Let's do this and George was be. I mean it's an unquantifiable. How important he was to US and again? And I give us credit for recognizing acknowledging that in what he recognized in us we recognized him. It was a magical match that happened just because he had walked into a club night in New York. City and Brendan. O'Brien was on hand. And who later became one of the most important producers in the ninety s for sure he was not obviously the producer of now I admit Brennan and a couple of times in Atlanta. He was the house producer for DB records. which was Danny Beard's words? Indie label that had done the first beefy to single years before rock lobster and he had a lot of great Atlanta and Athens bands in the seventies and eighties and Brendan and one of his producers. A local guy producing records and I worked at a record store called wax and facts that Danny Beard owned so the DB DB records owned in indie record store and he was my boss so brandon would come into the store to get paid for records. He was making and so I just knew that there was this really funny super fast wit sarcastic. Dick dude named Brendan who made records. That's all I knew about him. And George said do you guys know engineers and I said well. There's this dude named Brendan who's really funny. And then Johnny Colt our Bass player. New Brendan personally actually. Everyone that knows Brendan Calls Him. Bud and John He goes. Oh No I got this guy named Bud. He's amazing and we were talking about the same guy didn't realize it and so George called him and literally said are you. Any good and Brendan said. Yeah I'd like to think so George said okay hired you know that was it. Basically and So yeah we had no idea that the guy we hired engineer our record was about to become all that Brennan. O'Brien became and he played on it a little bit as well. He played the Guitar Solo on hard to handle and then he played laid. I think he played an organ part on one song. Chuck Lavelle did all the keys. But then I think there was something we missed and made but I could be wrong. I know he played one guitar part and it was hard to handle and that was the thing that early on a lot of people you know the Lord was Brennan Played All the guitars not true it. He never said that rich. You must love the. He was thrilled with that. He never said that at all brandon always. But it's all things just get out of hand but no bud played hard to handle solo because they got the La to mix the record and Jeff Sagittarius had played a solo and George Being George understood. He's like this is a hit song and the Solo doesn't have it just needs more pop. So Brendan just walked in. And I'm sure in a matter of two passes had that Sola Dump. He's a spectacular musician. Now the Brennan intersection is interesting. Because one of the sort of sub themes that runs into the nineties with this book is that the robinsons had a lot of resentment for grunge they felt it was like a fad and that was also kind of eclipsing. VME's when Nirvana Pearl Jam were fighting. They were kind of like. Hey how come to its fighting with us read a little bit of the Nirvana and guns and roses as you and I wasn't immune to that I mean I love Nirvana thought. Never mind was great and I was really in the soundgarden. I didn't care for Pearl Jam too much and that's just personal channel tastes. That wasn't any the but watching Seattle explode. I mean I didn't think that was awesome either. Trust me I'm not but I also saw it for what it was which is will these guys are all just in bands in its of moment almond right now but we'll see who stays around. I didn't I didn't get it personally too. Worked up about it but the robin rich was rich. Liked I know rich was in Nevada. Ah I think it's the same thing in soundgarden..
Black Crowes Reunite for 'Shake Your Money Maker' Tour
"A a big big rock rock and and roll roll reunion reunion tour tour has has just just been been announced announced you you cannot cannot call call the the mom mom I'm I'm still still on on with with the the black black Crowes Crowes they're they're going going to to hit hit the the road road will will be be playing playing their their debut debut album album shake shake your your moneymaker moneymaker that's an irony they'll be at the White River amphitheatre Friday September fourth and tickets are on sale now
"black crowes" Discussed on Ross Patterson Revolution!
"Oh. I am ready. I am ready, come on. I am ready. Black Crowes accounting crows go. Black counting. Counting. They're so different. You can't between those two pick a crow's ban though I would go, I would count them counting, grounding, cruise. Just like a little a. Crow exiting can't this. Yeah. Casey you're, you're Counting Crows. Yeah. And like the your times of wallow in your sad and you won't George for sure. Just like lay in the bath of sadness. Yeah, Counting Crows and then black Crowes I went through like a little second of of being totally into them, but now that I listen to them, they're not holding up Counting Crows. Do. There's a, there's there's a long descent. Yeah, there's there's a lot of songs by black crows that definitely still hold up. Okay. Give me a couple of bars. She talks to angels. We had. We hired a guitarist for wedding. Yeah, I don't think no one knows his story. The audience pretty funny. We I could tell us where wedding and we had songs that we could pick from. They were gonna hang and I wanted. She talks to Angels'. And you go, I do not wanna song about a girl doing heroin. Yeah, she talks to me right. Give me the tune. I can't find. No find it. I'm here to be here. No, no one wants to find the to really. I think they were really into just now when I was single grow. You wanted you wanted another song that I wasn't crazy about. So you were like, look, I will give you. She talks to angels. If you give me these other son and that you were crazy about, I forget what it was and I said, look, all right, great. We did it. Was it ban Morrison? I don't know. I remember. So I remember it was. As we were walking down the thing and we, we got married on the beach, and the guy was playing and it was she talks to angels and. Tukur banned. Yeah. And then van Morrison, SRI, she gives me love crazy love. Yes, for like the actual song about the woman doing heroin, and I remember I was like. Really bad girl doing heroin and you were like, yeah, it is. And I was like, man, I just like it. Yeah. Because we had a, by the way for the audience at home, we had a very specific catalog. This guy could play. So yeah, it's not like he was taking requests like we had to choose songs that he knew we were going long members. So he just like starting over the other song. Again, like as like play. Yeah, he had a very small repertoire. It was definitely when you first learn guitar and you're like, well, I know black, seven. The three court? Yeah. So I think it was like that because we sat over this guy's set list for just agonize of it for hours trying to find songs that we liked. Counting Crows might have been one of them. I don't know. I know because I would have picked obviously long December, just all the songs about depression coming down because it's the end of your life right when you see me comes down. So. Right. Just like just like depths of despair. But pretty, you know what I mean? A lot of those pretty songs that are all very dark. Yeah, there's different meanings behind all of them. I was watching Howard Stern last night who by the way his his now, like his set in everything has changed, oh, it is gorgeous cheeses Christ. The only weird thing about if you're watching stern because he signed some deal with Facebook where they're putting clips up on Facebook watch and some other things, and. His show is always shot in a studio. They've changed studios. It looks more of a very Jimmy Fallon. Ish. Oh, like an actual show? Yes. The problem is the guests are still sitting on the couches. -kay couches are like three feet lower than stern. So like I know exactly what I thought when I watched it. So he's above them looking down on them and it was the clip I watched last night was Paul McCartney? So Paul McCartney was on the show, and it was a great show. Right? Paul McCartney was never big on presses, never opened up. I don't know why he is now. I don't either, but he's doing a lot of a lot of press and he's very honest about everything that's going on and you're like, whoa, who is this guy? Who's this poem Carney, right?.
"black crowes" Discussed on The Loudini Rock and Roll Circus
"In three, two one. Everybody welcome back to Dini rock and roll circus blues, e Tuesday episode number seven. We are going to be talking today about the black Crowes reincarnation as magpie salute. So stick around. You're listening to the Dini rock and roll circus changing rock history. One podcast that it's I'm. All right, everybody welcome back to the Latini rock and roll circus blues e Tuesday episode, seven, and we're gonna talking about the magpie salute row quick though. Our website is Lou Dini rock and roll. Circus dot com. Please go there. Please share the podcast around most important that you can do to support great guitar driven rock. The second more that you can do is buy a little merchandised as a coup, some shirts, hoodies and Cup mugs and shot glasses and all kind of fun stuff. You can get all that stuff there as well as, oh, yeah, if you wanna get a little deeper, you want exclusive music, exclusive video exclusive conversation. Please join us in our inner circle at Lombardi, music dot com. Slash inner circle that has Lou Lombardi music dot com, slash inner circle, and we will get you all hooked up there with the inner circle situation there with exclusive music video and conversation. Okay. Guys. Let's get into it. The black Crowes I think it's like a permanent hiatus. Okay. But instead we have these guys right here. This is the magpie salute highwater number one is their album out right now. They did formed to basically in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen. They released a live. Album of the first record was actually live, but this is their first studio album and. Killer band. They've got a a single right now called omissions actually been out for the singles called emissions of cool video to we're gonna talk about that in a second, but great blues based guitar stuff. If you were familiar with kind of where the black Crowes we're kinda headed on their last album, it was more Counting Crows than black Crowes the sort of great riffs and stuff really weren't happening, kind of pursuing a more Americana singer songwriter type vibe, but now they're back to stuff like this. This is the riff from omission, very blues base. Okay. So she get my face backup onscreen while I'm doing that. So let me do one more time guys can see me. Okay, can't get any more blues based than that. It's a very cool ban. Let's go ahead and take a quick peek at the video for a mission and you can check it out. Got a cool sound. Riches. That s g there. Drop and sin. Mark ford. Some cool blues e leads in the beginning there. Now, this is John Hogg who's the lead singer? Check him out. Even have the female backing vocalists very similar to what the black Crowes were doing when they were playing real rock and roll. So it's very cool to have these guys out there in rock land putting out great blues based rock guitar driven rock. So you guys can check that out. Their website is the magpie salute dot com. That's the website right there. Okay, guys, thanks so much for hanging out with us today. That is this week's blues. -i Tuesday, the magpie salute. You can follow us at Lombardi, music dot com. And use me. You could follows Lucchini rock and roll circus dot com. To get all kind of cool podcast. We do interviews. There are a lot of great music by casters are hard rock and metal podcast is there as well sick a check that out. Lou Dini rock and roll circus dot com. And if you wanna get some behind the scenes stuff, you want exclusive music, video and conversation. Please join us at Lou. Lombardi, music dot com. Bax inner circle guys. Let's keep great guitar driven rock alive and we will catch you guys all next time on the Lucchini rock and roll circus.