20 Episode results for "Bin Laden"

Simulacin de molculas con AI y Big data.

Salvador Marin

05:59 min | 5 months ago

Simulacin de molculas con AI y Big data.

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Buried Treasure: "From Bin Laden to al-Baghdadi"

Skullduggery

28:20 min | 1 year ago

Buried Treasure: "From Bin Laden to al-Baghdadi"

"Prepared for all contingencies. If we had the opportunity to take bin Laden alive if he didn't present any threat the individuals involved were able and prepared to do that it was their consideration to try to think alive or with a team on site absolutely it was too is very somber fairly precise with his language did not take questions and trump was you know kind of classic trump a military victory but also a political victory on the other hand the Obama announcement was I think a nine minute address in which he was the American people with the truth and nothing else of buried treasure because people have gotta know whether managed also take an enormous amount of credit for for what happened so differences an Peres talk about the Hollywood version trump talks about how Baghdadi was whimpering and crying when he blew himself up in that suicide vest I don't know if you caught it but General Milley chairman of the Joint Chiefs Spectacle where he went on and on took lots of questions you know actually said it was like watching a movie and then gave a lot of the cinematic detail and that I did have a sense of deja Vu I was working that night the night that bin Laden was killed I remember vividly watching John Brennan from all accounts there was never any real consideration of taking him alive as the country this week tries to assess president trump's account of the raid that killed Isis leader then he acknowledged he had no idea what the source for the president's comments about big Dadi whimpering and crying was because the I'm talking about the raid that killed al-boghdadi and taking full credit for it and providing all sorts of juicy details White House counterterrorism chief John Brennan describing the raid proved by President Barack Obama that killed Osama bin Laden inside his Pakistani compound later the Obama Administration and the trump administration and trump personally saw a significant an opportunity to claim a massive victory that wasn't just Gov deep investigative correspondent for Yahoo News and I'm Dan Clyde chief of Yahoo News you know I gotta say watching President Trump on Sunday morning did and the way Brennan described it a lot of parallels but also a lot of differences I think we'll get into in this conversation and you know I think the parallels ah briefing from the White House podium standing side-by-side with Jay Carney and there were a lot of parallels I saw between the way trump described els shared with reporters turned out to be false there was no firefight between the navy seals and the leader of al Qaeda bin Laden was unarmed and Autocar al-Baghdadi we'll look back at the Obama White House announcement of the death of bin Laden and note the similarities and the differences on this episode Brave military leader they WANNA make him look like a scared child or in trump's were little puppy and if you recall it's not really ration- indeed he did there was a firefight he therefore was killed in that firefight and has the remains were removed that was then was used for maximum effect when he ran for re election the following year only there are a few small problems with Brennan's account them night some of the key details evening of May first two thousand eleven was a dramatic moment that seemed to the time like the ultimate triumph in the war on terror one that Obama's political adviser L. Link had no had no audio so the president couldn't hear that which doesn't mean it didn't happen but but let me just say this before we bring our guest on that actually the staff who by the way seems straight from central casting talking about a Hollywood movie was asked at the Pentagon briefing just a little while ago in some ways is a parallel because I think what happens in these situations is the Americans they want a puncture the myth of Baghdadi as this fierce are are kind of a desire to give the Hollywood version of one went down because obviously this stuff is incredibly dramatic and both the similar to what the US military did eventually which was to release bin Laden's hard-drive to release information that was on that hard drive including the fact Vince filming it is not I did not have sexual relations with that woman there will be no lies we will honor suggesting it wasn't true but it's just the same kind of impulse and although trump is not terribly subtle about how he does that generally it's not left up to the president of the United States to engage in that kind of psychological warfare it could be from the same impulse right and by the way Brennan indulged that impulse at that briefing at the White House right after the Bin Laden raid talked about how bin Laden was hiding behind one of his wives getting a guy like I'll Dadi the head of Isis is an important event just as getting bin Laden was Josh in is number one these were both great moments for both presidents Obama and trump no question did he add porn on his hard drive so the same by our old colleague Mark hosing ball that's right exactly and I assume that's the leader of the organization is important triumph for American counterterrorism and that said you know the impulse to exaggerate is an important event the raid on bin Laden and the death of bin Laden didn't end al-Qaeda this raid is not going to end isis but getting between the way the Obama White House handled it and the way the trump White House handled it and I think that's worth noting given some of the press coverage saves when the Navy Seals came in I think that's pretty analogous to trump talking about the whimpering and crying al-Baghdadi We now have on the line Josh Gerstein of politico senior legal affairs contributor who was actually writing about we're going to talk about it with Josh Gerstein from politico who's going to be our guest in just a moment but I think the two major points here I wanna make before we bring true but it wouldn't be the first time that the US government and engaged in in psychological science that was not fully grounded in the truth again I'm not on this and so that's what I think we want to discuss out the bin Laden raid at the time and in particular did a story right after John Brennan's briefing the next day I believe pointing out eight to embellish to make the most of the moment for political effect is something that runs through and is paralleled stories from the past that's relevant today and as I pointed out at the top of my discussion with Danny here that I thought back about the Bin Laden raid and how the Obama White House handled it as I was watching trump yesterday described the album some of the details that Brennan Got Wrong Josh welcome to Skulduggery Hey Mike gravy with you to famous podcast the president said well I'm not a crook I told the American people I did not trade arms but hostile to my heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true but the facts and the no credit for in real time and that extreme pressure often leads to characterizations that are long or at least are disputed and the raid I just wondered if you had the same thoughts yeah I did I mean these are things that the White House is under extreme pressure to take political everything rather than leaving it to his deputies or minions to explain stuff which means that you know if things are mucked up it's on on him personally as opposed to something it's pretty clear to me you know if you look back at the bin Laden raid if they'd been given say a week to figure out how to explain what happened they might have been a much better job of it and probably the same thing is true here with trump except of course you have a presidency where the president is much more interested in personally claiming credit for happy to apartment well you'll have many opportunities in the future but for this one this is what we call buried treasure we take account so you have to be suspicious that there was a lot of pressure to produce the most Hollywood ready story that you could but I do think Dan that it is you can blame on his staff so josh in the in the Bin Laden example trying to understand you laid out the kind of the motivation here to take maximum political I mean is it some combination of kind of the fog of war but then also wanting the Hollywood version of it which obviously will have more kind of political impact how does actually happen I mean it does seem like a lot of the mistakes that were made were in favor of a more dramatic wrong that night and the reason why I think he got it wrong I mean the principal point was and I'm I'm just reading from your store L. Bin Laden or capture him and Brennan said while we were prepared for all contingencies left open the suggestion that US forces lives he sought to hide behind one of his wives who was killed in the raid now the reason why brand I sat through these military briefings nothing as dramatic as either one of these raids it seems to me that the military when they do them they tend to be much more pin laden had a weapon and was engaged in a firefight that part turned out to be false he also talked about how one of his because that would have sounded a little crude a little would have been a little inflammatory in the Islamic world and he wanted to maintain the things got it wrong was he wanted to fit that narrative of we didn't go in there to kill the guy right he wanted to leave it open the most thorough account of the bin Laden raid came some months later in the New Yorker by Nicholas Schmidl he talked to a lot of the navy seals so this wouldn't be like the ideal time to be trying to get narratives out of everybody and then sometimes different people's narratives just don't line up I mean even years after the event we have different hours after an event you need to gather these accounts even in that bin Laden raid on various things went wrong remember a helicopter crashed and you know bin Laden Raid Brennan when he briefed was specifically asked about what the goal of the raid was was it too who is very close to President Obama and certainly aware of at a minimum the political exigencies of the moment as far as the White House was concerned wasn't a split-second decision. No one wanted detainees the special operations officer told me so there you have it I mean would have been willing to capture bin Laden had he surrendered but he said that would as events turned out that was not feasible because it kind of clinical just the facts sometimes even boring talking about this stuff and maybe that is because they don't have quite the same political need also a fog of war situation I mean this is part of the reason why no one would ever I think in the military internally try to write a after action report you know you know three Shalwar Kameez and a prayer cap on his head froze he was unarmed quote there was never any question of detaining or capturing him we're on the ground who were there and I'll just read you a passage from his account of it of the dramatic moment when the Navy seals the middle of the courtyard he might have been captured but I have a quote from one of Obama's top military advisers who was deeply involved in then as it turned out that the Obama Administration committed to the rule of law as it was would have been happy to capture bin Laden and give him a trial thing this operation you mentioned naked this is what this was the quote this is from another excellent account of the Bin Laden operation by me the point was they didn't WanNa put these brave special operators in any danger of being wounded or killed and so so there were eh dry you know there's already an incredibly dramatic event even sticking to the facts that they knew but how do you think this actually happens in real time all right here's the quote the only way Bin Laden was going to be taken alive was if he was naked hands in the air was waving a white seems more reluctant to put out sexy details than the president himself was tonight you know the night that it happened well let me be just a little bit more granular about what Brennan flag and was unambiguously shouting I surrender so the the the those were the rules of engagement and basically commercial forces people coming forward and saying you know I shot him or or I saw him or there were two wives or there was one way so you know the interesting thing to me Josh or capture on a operation nominally but the the ground rules that were set up where such that in reality he was never going to be captured like if he ran out naked into the so if you would get the same briefing out of Secretary of Defense or chairman of the joint chiefs than even it seems like on this account of this al-Baghdadi raid at the Pentagon the guy on the ground contradicting what Brennan was saying from the White House podium right but I think those guys on the ground also said that they had been told officially that it was killed go beyond the facts make it more dramatic I think that's probably true I mean it was interesting that you had Brennan come out and give briefing after the Bin Laden raid somebody confront bin Laden a second seal stepped into the room and train the infrared laser of his m. four on bin Laden's just the Al Qaeda chief who was wearing Tan actually in my book in my book what was that what was the name of that book again kill or capture kill or capture the crashed helicopter and just decided to leave everybody there I I don't know if you think that's correct or not but that's how these things remain murky you know years after the fact right puncture the myth of them being you know strong powerful fearsome leaders so is it possible to you that that was part of Brennan's impulse at the time got under those circumstances guys exaggerating a little bit but if you had his hands up if he was saying is surrender I think they probably would have captured him right the weird part about and they did take other isis guys captive in the raid on Sunday so there is value in getting intelligence when you can capture people but talked about before you came on the show is that there is often a sign ops element to embellishing the truth and exaggerating a little bit and we talked about how Baghdadi I think the idea of even leaving that option open seems to have not be a factor in this administration compound and they would have killed everybody in the compound including all all the women and children who were there so sometimes the niceties of the legal arguments and be a little bit confused sorry by the way in politico the next the next day after the White House fast stop that it had not been completely accurate about its initial account I don't know how many more heads they wanna add to their collection and people that they had to put or to send I maybe that doesn't enter into it when you've got somebody at this level extremely loose rules of engagement and that essentially is a wrap their suicide vests exactly and that is essentially a kill operation being in crying like a baby all of that meant to cut these guys down to SARS not look particularly tough into kind of thing I think to the average person yeah right I was going to say by the way you notice how nobody talked or asked trump about you know did you make any effort to capture Brennan said that Bin Laden had put one of his wives in front of them as a shield you know we've got trump talking about how albuque- Dadi was you know whimper right now there was also some report correct me if I'm wrong is that in the bin Laden raid they actually were planning to take maybe some captives but they couldn't because of sparing civilian lives was a significant part of it as well right you mentioned PSI OPS is as one reason why you might want to embellish what happened if this is you know in terms of the legalism where they're supposed to theoretically offer him some opportunity to surrender you know they could just bombed his I mean maybe he wasn't as eager to use the direct words like coward like the president's did or or whimpering but certainly to assert that he grabbed his diminish the guy you've just killed in the eyes of the world but let's not forget there was a political benefit to Obama in killing bin Laden just as there's going to be in fact they're probably already is a political benefit for trump in killing Alba dotty and chance to make the right decision one thing George Bush said it was right add this is the election year all about the bin Laden raid I'm just reading from now Barack Obama is marking the anniversary of but you'd think it has to be a factor they're trying to at least lower their presence in Syria if not all together you know Josh one of the things we fat option was because they wanted to make sure that they would be able to identify the remains of of Bin Laden so that they can prove that he was dead but we've actually got a clip of that ad which we're going to play for a moment the ad starts with text onscreen the commander in chief gets one I cannot in good conscience do nothing he took the harder in the more honorable pants now essentially a bunker buster bomb on the compound which would which would essentially incinerated everybody there the main reason I think part of the reason they didn't elect it to reinforce that I'm looking at a guardian story from

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Ep 141: Accelerated - Robert O'Neill walks through the day he killed Osama Bin Laden

Opie Radio

26:32 min | 1 year ago

Ep 141: Accelerated - Robert O'Neill walks through the day he killed Osama Bin Laden

"An incredible plane crash into the World Trade Center here at the lower tip of Manhattan. This is a special encore presentation of OPIE Radio Jio with American Hero and Navy Seal Robert O'Neill. It's seven thirty seven is crashed into this speculation at this point but at least three floors taken out this edited version has been then released in memory of those we've lost on nine eleven and to all of our first responders and military personnel who service with their most precious gift playing very low and everyone said wow that plane is very very low. I was walking to work and all of a sudden I see a jet ranch in the first hour and then we heard the crash we ran. He's went into those treatments manner we shrapnel fall and and then we get out to one another plane just hit my God and I looked around thinking that it had the helicopter and I looked up the second way in the world and I want all of us tonight I can report report to the American people and to the world the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden the leader of Al Qaeda a terrorist terrorist who's responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men women and children and because the extraordinary bravery of the men and women who where this nation's uniform and the outstanding work of our intelligence agencies Osama bill nod. We'll never again threaten the United States now. Here's your host Greg Greg us so before you go on the mission couple things. I've found fascinating when I talked to last time was the fact that you were convinced. You aren't going to survive survive it which I had. I had the last meal right. My kids that they didn't know was the last meal one of my daughters were so young I actually she took her to chick-fil-a right and she met a girl her age and they went playing in the ball pit and that little girls with her grandmother and I sat there talking to a grandmother thinking this woman. It has no idea who she's talking to. I'm going to die trying to kill bin Laden tonight. How do you wrap your head around that nine eleven the conversation that we had because we talked about this like if we know we're GonNa die I mean why are we going right the best way to put it in perspective. Is We're not going for fame. We're going for the single mom who dropped her the kids off at elementary school on a beautiful Tuesday morning and forty five minutes later. She jumped death out of a skyscraper because that believe it or not it was a better alternative than what's going on inside at twenty five hundred degrees Fahrenheit Fahrenheit and the last thing she did her last gesture of human decency was to hold her skirt down some of your underwear as she committed suicide and she was not supposed to she didn't WanNa do any of that and she's not supposed to fight. We're here to fight. That's where we talked about this. I get all that obviously but now as a father now you're gonNA leave your kids without a father now so I I wrap your head around and I ask the question again. I wrote a letter to all and just explained like the one daughter that's always in the story was seven when we went after she was one when we rescued the lone survivor she was four when we rescued. Captain Richard Phillips now she's seven now but I didn't write a letter to the several I wrote a letter to the twenty seven year old woman explaining planning how I'm sorry I missed her wedding and I know she was beautiful and thanks for taking care of your sisters and what we did was noble and here's why I mean one of my regrets in life as soon as I got back shredded a letter because he wrote. You can't even give it to your best friend because he's going to die too right. You got to find someone you trust. That doesn't know what you're doing with instructions on what to do. If if you see me tomorrow Morrogh give him back. What if you don't do this. Why did you share the letter. I don't know I just didn't WanNA. Read them again. I don't WanNa relive that and I wish I would have kept him now. Well no I understand in a way because that's that's pretty heavy and you want in the moment because at the moment the day we got back is the best day of our lives and we are going to be best friends forever. There's GonNa be no controversy right. We're all friends but you could have pulled that letter out when your kids are misbehaving serious listen. Here's some tissues. Stay the sacrifice. I was going to do for our country to your homework. I mean it was a very emotional time and I even bought going away presence that they get they got. They don't know why they got them where they. I don't even remember but I bought myself product sunglasses because I I saw them a nice. I thought that I couldn't I. I can't afford them on their two hundred forty bucks but I'm going to be dead next week. I've got an American Americans press carpet and I actually brought them with me on the carried in my pocket wow because what if we do live through the night and have to steal a car and drive four hours to Islamabad where we have embassies if it comes to that two sons going to be up and I'm going to need sunglasses and I'm wearing product. I guaranteed guaranteed the right back. You put those sunglasses on safe place and what was the probability that you guys were not. GonNa make it. I thought I thought I thought one hundred percent we were going to kill him but I thought about ninety five percent. We're going to die ninety five percent that the house is going to blow up and we at the last set of stairs. I had one guy in front of me and I actually he jumped on people. He thought were suicide. Bomb Yeah and I turned to the right and there's bin Laden and when I when I wanted to stairs I didn't it. It's not like hey brave navy seal movie it was. I'm tired of thinking about it. Let's get it over with. Let's get this explosion over when you lock it did on my tips is with him for the first thing you want to jump right to that. There's so much other stuff God. I'm just kind of these other guys understand. How do you grow to time spent listening with these podcasts. You don't give away the money shot for ten minutes into the amazing what you just said you know one of your fellow comrades jumps on these suicide potential suicide bombers to protect you tip sit down and I am like sit down way more so it wasn't to protect me it was it was the blast of the guy behind him to get a shot at Bin Laden. He didn't even know it was Komo News. One of those guys yeah we can tell also yeah so yeah it's fine. I like to jumping around actually so yeah you're right the letters and now it's go time and yeah yeah was neat because we went over to we've. We've pre staged. We went to Afghanistan Jalalabad airfield whether it was already a seal team from our same seal team and they were the ultimate professional professional. Could you imagine being over there deployed and they bring another team in to do the job that you should be doing that happened at a rescuing us really cool anyone on the stealthily cops they run the other ones so liked if they're going to get checked out but we got there and we're we're a couple days early. We hadn't been given the green light yeah. There was still a few options but we wanted to be as close to Pakistan's sounds we could in case it said go now how many hours that by helicopter at this point from Jalalabad to his house was ninety minutes ninety minutes so it's interesting because we all accept that something bad could happen catastrophic like desert one when they when they lost so many trying to rescue Iranian hostages so it was interesting. 'cause we played poker would work out. I remember watching the draft the NFL draft and I'm a Redskins Fan I'm thinking I I wonder if they're gonNA take a right tackle or the left. They're going to ally and I remember thinking wasn't matter now. I'm going to be a couple of days so you're sitting there. Just okay with the fact that you're most likely going to done okay with it. It was almost like what if they do a missile strike I mean I want to go on the mission but may live right and you kind of torn between that but then you gotta go because if I what if we don't go I mean imagine being seventy years old thinking gee. We had a chance to get them on because we hit him with a missile they're never going to be. He's dead yeah. He's a new problem because then people like no he didn't conspiracy theories would start up to dialysis thing that was yeah. He wasn't sick yeah. We made it up so we know people relying right when they say hey we found bin. Laden I saw him. We saw the dialysis. When like isn't that great. Hey by the way I do want to jump in and say that's why about all military guys because I can't. I still can't wrap my head around thinking that way and it takes and with us where we worked as a tier. You're one seal team. We're we didn't have the most dangerous job think about the marines that are out there walking through minefields right and they and they get hit right and watch your buddies get blown and a half and the soldiers and sailors airman. There's people out there with the way more Dr Driving Route Irish in Baghdad. Yeah like there's some we gotta find a night on our terms we could see in the enemy can't so I mean obviously the bin. Laden mission accepting death but it was not like we were There are guys out there. They don't get the credit so weird so you're ninety minutes away. Did you throw on a party tapers up to the people. That's a common question. I forgot about that. Don't you want to tell them about how you picked up your first podcasting uh-huh yeah. I gotta I gotTa ask what the last song I listen to it was it was red nation by Lil Wayne and the game oh no kidding and TMZ he asked me that once and I told them and then even like someone like the game tweeted advocate thanking yes sounds like a kick ass song about you know killing Satan and blood in the blood on the ground right cool and Soza game. What do you got Mike on the plane going there. You were seeing the same thing over and over again well. I was counting we were talking earlier about if something could happen but you worrying about it's not going to affect it. There's stop worrying about it and one of my favorite life advice is get over it. Just get over it yeah so stop thinking about so guys did that and it was interesting. There were guys asleep on the right to Osama uh-huh. How how awesome is that? That is amazing yeah. I I was counting rights counting just zero to one thousand thousand zero a long time ago in in Kosovo. They set us senate snipe snipers more armed observers atrocities are happening so you're up there pretty serious mountain vegetation but to sit there and stare through spotting scope four hours on four hours off. You just just get you'll lose your mind so you count. Just keep reminding working. It's so that's what I was doing but Mike was saying. I am as Hollywood as it sounds. I have the tattooed approve it as soon as somehow somehow eighty minutes into the flight when back to the South I was like five fifty six fifty seven freedom itself was attacked this morning by faceless coward and Freedom will be defended that go to hell and I it was Bush kept saying that over and over and then I sort of stopped. I'm like I'm on this mission. The door opens and you're looking at a city city. It's a resort town in Pakistan. You know there's a golf course right over there and they don't overcome it and that's it the counting and reciting that quote. That's that's very meditative. After you meditate non would then I would on just even counting sort of clear the clear the head and get you focus back and then the sleeping thing. Do you know what it takes to get me to sleep. A good night and these guys are snoozing on the way to kill Osama bin Laden. That's a real man yeah so now you're you're you see the compound and you're getting close well yeah and then we didn't know the. Damn helicopter crash the other one. What what what they said was. They don't tell you this well. There's a little bit of chaos involved and we're not talking a lot but what they said. They told us because they were dashed one. We were dashed to simple sounds they. It was dash one. We thought we heard was DASHON. Going around dash one going around meaning they just took fire and they're going to racetrack but what they were saying was dash down dash one going down and that's when crash so our pilot we were going to drop snipers and the dog and an interpreter outside then we're. GonNa fly my team to the roof of the Mons House. The plan was I get on the roof jumped onto the third deck gunfire through the glass. That's him because the woman that found him told us that's where he would be and she turned out to be one hundred percent right on everything. She told us all she knew to the minute that he was still going to be there by the time she was getting frustrated because the day we met her. She's like one hundred percent third-floor this building. Why aren't we going now. Wow why are we here and I and you and they knew that he was leaving to know if she thought he was leaving a few months but I mean I. I doing daily stuffed. No he doesn't leave the house so he barely left that. Ruben walk around the he would leave a stairwell. I guess that he would take downstairs and he would they saw a guy that they named him the Pacer and that's how she knew it was him because taller dude wearing different clothes and he's walking around the same spot never leaving the house and anytime anyone was doing any manual labor with the animals or planting anything he would stop and say hello but he never helped so. He's he's a shake. What did she get for for the Intel. She didn't even get a how does she afterwards. What did she get afterwards. Sr later here in New York and she said I didn't get a parking spot. She's the one that knew it right. Nobody believed her and soon as we get them. Everybody wants an award. She military knocked. She was one of the three letter agencies right. She got nothing a bonus anything. I don't think so trip to Cancun something. You think you'd give her something. She was awesome. Those the the the depiction of that woman zero dark thirty is really this job with her very cool and she's a bats so now your helicopter lands so we will yeah we're. GonNa go to the roof but the the the helicopter lifted up and went back down so Atlanta's right back where slammed the other guys because that pilot saw the other pilot crash exactly if he can't hover there. I'm not going to try to hover above the house. I don't want to crash to put us down and you guys were prepared for the I remember thinking I remember just one of those snapshots in life where my right foot hits the ground and I said I guess we're just going to start the war from here brickell and up till the one we'll bring some humor into it till the one funny thing that one of the Navy seals set said guys we have to be careful when we got into the House so we tried to blow up the we knew there was a a double hinged door off to our left facing as the compass the northeast side of the compound so we went put a a huge seven foot charges see six. This is a monster and it blew the door open but there's a brick wall behind it so the bridge it back just just kind of kind of going through muscle memory. You say okay failed breach meeting. We didn't get any goes. He was this bad man. I remember saying this is good. That's a fake door. He's in there. No one puts a fake door under house right so we go now. We thought the other helicopter. I'm getting to that point Mike. We thought that the other helicopter was still flying so we told them fail fail breach northeast corner now. We're going to blow the carport meaning. That's the one we have seen open the cargo in and out and they said no no don't blow it. We'll just open it and then the door opens and a thumbs comes out so we're looking at the thumb and then another situation in life where it doesn't matter how we got here. I don't need to know how we're just here. We'll talk about it later. I didn't know how guys got dinner and so we finally get another gunfire going off. At this point they killed abroad and the guest house. One of my guys just shot to the people bottom. That's when I got in there so now there's women and children kind and moving around and a long hallway and you don't WanNa stand in a hallway 'cause guy bad guys will put a gun on a whole bunch of spray so I actually saw another navy seals grabbing children we're obviously startled and putting them with women like so they don't need to be they can be with as little amount of fear as possible which al-Qaeda would not do that to argue and of course the good guys right back into the room and I remember looking up for explosives because they'll go hanging from the ceiling and that's what's going to take the whole house on top you and kill you. Don't I don't see that I'm watching my guys work. They're just working and I remember being so proud of how cool these guys are because I have a front row seat to the best mission in modern history. I'm watching my guys because I got nothing to do so I'm standing there and that's when one of my guys said helicopter crashed. He whispered helicopter helicopter crash now. I'm thinking like like I mentioned those other seals that were on the chinooks big ones forty five minutes behind us. I'm thinking they got spotted and they got shot down. We just lost sixty guys and I go oh my God what what helicopter crash and he goes SPRO. Our helicopter crashed in the front yard. You walked right past. It just didn't register now at this point. Though the timing was important the timing was impeccable at this point one of our snipers who had the dog and the dog handler they were running around the entire perimeter to make sure no one escape through whatever ever kind of escape tunnel yeah and that's what he saw the the tail of the helicopter over the famous part where eventually fell down and he I came over the radio and said all right guys be on alert. They are definitely ready for us. They have a training mockup of our super secret helicopter in the front yard and that's where his minded because he was on my helicopter and then here the boss frustrated he goes no you Jack Ass. That's ours we crashed and then the snipers back with yeah that that makes a lot more sense carry on and I'm talking about. We gotta go get him. On this turns. These are the conversations that are being as we're trying to get up. It's turning into an SNL skit. decided it s one question these guys that have the dogs you know and you get so attached to that animal and animal animal equal as part of a pack. So how then do you leave the service and leave the dog behind. They take the dog with them. They do yeah they were talking about this Cairo Cairo he he had been shot with an AK47 and chest twice before this mission and lift when we heard we have we would say as an eagle. WFAN wounded naturally callers eagles. He W we're trying to answer a call sign so we know who we never say a name and they said well. It's canine so the Cairo well dog get get shot and the dog dies. It's a little I mean compared to human. Ak47 they don't have body armor and Cairo lift and then he went on the bin. Laden Raid Wow he Cairo has two silver stars. I I have two silver. Stars just still alive No Cairo did die just old but he was. He was funny too because there's so much bowl to came out of his mission. One of the MRS was we had like this twenty thousand dollar titanium teeth that we put in Cairo's mouth not the case. Cairo had one tooth because he had gum disease. He just was there for his nose so so this is something today. have one of those funerals where everyone's trying. I don't know what they did with Cairo. He was he was retired and some of those some of those police dogs when they die in the funerals and everybody's Ryan China will just bring it to your well the guy that can handle them. He retired with them and live with him and he he said he was he had put him down and he said he was holding Cairo's hand. As is he died in which is just an I hope book about history. We're we're trying to get his the vast at Cairo war in Bin Laden on Andrei to the memorial right down the street all right so now. We're in the house yeah now. We're in the guys are working and I'm just Joan. I'm not that I know that. No one got her. Are you start to think I don't have anything else to do. Well Yeah Yeah. I'm like this house is GonNa be looking ahead of me yeah. I'm not endanger this this. This is secure I got. I got to wait for them to to reach that door. The hallways barricaded. That's obviously where the stairwells I'm not missing and then they breach it it opens and then they start moving up when I leave my thing and go behind him and I'm like eight guys back so there's seven seals or so in front of me and the woman that found bin. Laden said I don't know what the House looks like on the inside but there will be a stairwell and and when you get to that stairwell you're going to run into Khalid bin Laden Osama bin last year old son he will be armed and here's this woman what she said that's his last line of defense. You take care of him. You can get a shot at the big guy well. That's cool so we got to the stairwell. How does she know that I don't know. How does she know that that she knew somehow through intercepted phone calls Cleveland on the second floor? He's going to hear the commotion downstairs. He'll be waiting stairwell with the AK47. Wow so she's I mean just an analyst very very smart woman woman so we start going up the stairs. He wasn't he jump behind a banister and he was armed and I'm watching and I'm looking upstairs with you. Know six seven guys in front yeah and at this point. I've been in urban environments and gunfights you WanNa. Take as many guys. You can't away from that situation. Let the first two or three handle because if you chuck a grenade just goes downhill and but probably going to die anyway and this is GonNa be awesome. I got to see how this goes. I don't have a shot but I'm gonNA. Watch does pin the corner quickly. Try to get a shadow to grab them trying to beat them. and it was dark and it was quite and here's how good of an operator he was. He just whispered cleaning Khalid Delta Russia to come here or something like come here in two different languages he knew Khalid spoke and he said his name twice and that confused Khalid so he leaned his head over the bastards at what is it. That's the coolest thing so now. There's no one in the way now now. We don't know we just think they're suicide bombers. Maybe okay so we get through that we get to the second floor and then in that's when everyone other than the guy in front peeled off because you wanna clear the areas open spaces close basis unknowns before you go up so oh but I'm the last guy so I can't leave the point alone so I put my hand on his shoulder so I'm he's GonNa look forward and up. He's looking up stairs. Curtain the curtains at the end of the stairwell. I'm waiting for more guys. Once I get more guys. I know that this areas cleared. We can go up but he started seeing people moving. He assumed they're putting on vests so he's hit the way his my sort of working as we can beat them to it. If we go now we gotta go now. He started talking and you never talk. We don't talk to each other. He's like we gotta go. He knows he's got a guy but we go and that's what I thought to myself well. Let's get it over with. I gave them a squeeze. I wanted more guys but we just had we were so thin so I- squeezed him he the stairs push the curtain and tackle the tackle the turn out to be women like we were talking about earlier to absorb the blast with the guy behind. We talked about it later and he said that guy. I tackled the women just assuming they were going to sue me. They're going to blow up if you could get change the angle of the blasts because they're shooting. BBC's yeah maybe the guy behind him will live and get the shot. He's GonNa the dust and that's what he did. I mean this. This story will be told this guy should get a medal of honor at some point and robbed. The one thing that you said to me that really resonated with me was when you said you didn't care about your life at that that point but once he said Khalid Khalid and actually killed him. You said this story needs to be told he just might have changed history of Khalil's. Everybody movie movie sprays. Everybody got. You're getting them right. Pakistanis get so yes so he did that and then he did that which this like my Brits Dolinsky was awarded the Medal of Honor for sixteen years ago offer Roberts rich this guy I mean he's one of those just poster child navy seal. That won't come out until the story but he should in some way. Get the Melania from that move so that than just again it wasn't me being brave it simply because he went that way my tactics dictate. I go this way. I turn that way. There's been Samna and he's got his hands on his wife's shoulders and he's sort of pushing her forward and then just the way that my escalation escalation of force went is taller than I thought skinnier than I thought that's a shorter grey beard. That's his nose. That's bin Laden. He's not surrendering. He's a threat I need to treat him as a suicide bomber summer which means if I think suicide bomber you basically have less than a second to convince me not to kill you and and people got criticism for we shot him in the face. What about recognition if if anyone criticizes that they've never dealt with the suicide bomber I have you shoot them in the face because I've seen I've seen bombers go off and it is very very loud and scary and permanent and you I get criticized for this. It just amazes me shot him in the face. What would you do hero even even with the Brits Levinsky thing you should read some of the medal of honor and all they're talking about us hate because he he left the mountain it's like have you ever been shot up by nineteen machine at ten feet once at night when you're sitting there looking at straighten the I was there a second there where you just like holy no came after because when I saw him like looking back on it should I should've said where you bin Laden. They tried to meet little. I asked you last time a year ago when we talked. Did you see fear in Osama Osama bin Laden. You did as a human being a human to human you went wow that's fear right there yeah and then they actually played us the one time the agency he played us the phone call that the brothers made each other as the guys were coming in to get them and they were speaking Arabic. Obviously I have never heard fear a grown man with a high pitched voice like that but just hearing the screaming and then here guys gunshots and then a silent socal so shoot him and his wife is still there so I have to move her. She's not a threat now. You can tell you can l. so I moved her to the bed. Kill them at the foot of the bed at the pictures on the Internet. You could see where his head is like with the non a threat thing. I was married yeah right so we but so what pictures out there of where bin Laden's bloodiest. Oh Yeah I thought you meant Khalid to his actual pictures pretty graphic right but then I saw his two year old son standing there and I'm a father other and I look at this kid. This poor kid has nothing to do with this and he shouldn't have seen and one of those so the emotions are all over the place then I sent him down. I don't want him to be afraid and then then other seals are coming in the room and that's when it starts to sink in and then a guy came up to one of my one of the operators and he just looked at me and kind of kind of depicted this part in the movies or thirty. They didn't do it right but he looked at me and he goes. Are you good and I said No. What are we supposed to do now and he smiled. Now we find the computers. We do this every night for years and yeah. That's what we do right. I'm back and he goes yeah you just you just killed on the Amanullah Osama bin Laden's dead but you're still gonNa be thinking that we could still be losing her life. That's next emotion comes in because he like hold. This is great. We we did exactly what we're supposed to do but there's no guarantee we're we're gonNA. We're GONNA BE SAFE now. 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The Other Latif: Episode 3

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The Other Latif: Episode 3

"Listening to radio at WNYC previously or being chased by the police out. Yeah with all these bad people. Al-qaeda and the Taliban directly associated with Osama bin Laden. Is it possible that he was just running with the wrong people? These are the worst. How DOES HE GET CLARITY? Is Clear and he will have a window when he comes here. I'm lucky if Nassir and this is the other Lut. If episode three Sudan when we last left Ability Nassir Hughes Adrift He was in his mid-twenties his mom had died. He dropped out of school. He'd moved to Libya to make some money but he was broke. His dreams is studying. Teaching Science were fading so he makes a decision to move again. This time to Sudan and Mohamed Data. We lost episode suggested. Maybe that's where it happened. Sudan probably best bit you know to find out where and how and if the individual was radicalized. So that's the spot to pay attention to me. Think the reason he said that had to do with timing Abdullatif set foot in Sudan in nineteen ninety three and around that time what is an Islamic state. Slavic state is a state that is not the only Slavic at private level but also at the level of public life. There'd been a coup in Sudan and a new government stepped in and it was powerful person in this. New Government was a man named Duke the Hustler Tribe Hassan to Robbie man seen as the architect of the Sudanese Islamic state Islam is a a comprehensive wail of life. Today we had a great vision and four. His Islamic Revolution in Sudan Salon. Baldo former professor at the University of Khartoum has an address. He founded a congress which was open to all extremist jihadist revolutionary groups seeking. Jank again is their respective governments. Basically invited the extremist of the world to come to Sudan and join like a club the loose alliance of all the body groups Palestinians and Hamas and Hasbullah and international criminals like Carlos Carlos the Jackal Jekyll of France Saddam Hussein. Some people out to to Khartoum journalist Peter Bergen and Lawrence right was don in the mid nineties the Berkeley in the sixties for Islamism. Kind of thing. I think that's exactly right was a convocation of different radical Islamist groups. I wouldn't have been surprised if they played intramural soccer with each other. The that's what Al Qaeda head to teams and they would play on after the Moscow on Friday. You're not even kidding you like. That's for real. Oh Yeah Yeah. I kind of imagine it as in upside-down United Nations instead of embassies representing the governments of all these different countries. It was like you had groups from each of those different countries. Who wanted to overthrow those governments? So the mere fact that ability F- Nassir went to Sudan at the precise moment when all these extremists were flocking to the country. You could see that as suspicious according to government documents and his lawyer disputes. This point for the first few weeks in Sudan Ability F- Nassir joined a Muslim missionary group. A kind of Muslim Jehovah's Witnesses. He did that. Allegedly for forty five days and then he set off in search of what? The government calls quote the perfect Islamic society. It's always a little amazing to me. How the government will characterize any period of time? That's ability lawyer Shelby Sullivan benefits. As far as I am aware and believe that is not an appropriate description of his time in Sudan. She says yeah he may have been longing for purpose may have been gradually turning to his slum but the main reason he went to Sudan was to work and that's what he ended up doing ended up finding a job in the middle of nowhere on a farm and Sudan was actually the place where he was overseeing the farming of sunflowers son. Yeah he was doing the sunflower farming. Although I I was advised by multiple times he was not. He's not actually farmer himself and possesses no skills in that regard managing sort of from above making sure people had enough resources and enough people on the field and and this is for the flowers oil or the seeds or the. I think it was the seeds. They were growing sunflowers kind of in a field and there I think there were other surrounding it but that was. He was the sunflower man which I thought was really endearing. I listen to this interview now. And I'm like idiot. I was so into the idea of the seeds and process that I forgot to ask a pivotal question. Who were those sunflowers being farmed four? After that conversation I did some research and ended up bringing it up was shelby again in a later interview his moved to sit down and was also job. Based I think you told me that. He worked at a sunflower farm. He was like you know like not farming per se but like management position was that Osama bin Laden's farm so there's a distinction between information information that I know information I don't know and information that is either classified or because the client has told me so I. I think I can't answer that question at all knowingly. I'm sorry Okay Yeah. I think he worked on. Osama bin Laden's farm so at about the age of Twenty Nine Abdullatif Nassir is on the payroll of Osama Bin Laden. The Guy who ordered planes to fly into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon the guy that the government would later allege ability. Nassir became an important military advisor to which does not look good. But if you stop to think about it what does that even mean that he was working on? Osama bin Laden's farm was that a real farm or was it a front. What was he doing there? When I first started reporting these seemed to be straightforward answerable questions. But yeah that's not what they were at all high ABC. I hear you hello. Hello Hello. This is Cathy. Can you hear me? Hello bursting you immediately. Discover when you talk to people who scrutinized Osama bin Laden's life people like Kathy. Scott Clark I write a book till the exile which was a story. The Lost Ten years over on Bin. Laden and people like Lawrence Right. I'm an author and a staff writer for the New Yorker magazine is that during his Dan years. Approximately nineteen ninety one to nineteen ninety six. Osama bin Laden saw himself as a totally different guy. It was In some ways one of the happiest times in his life I mean he off to the end of the Soviet war in Afghanistan. He had fought in the off. Gone War against the Soviet Union working with the CIA. You'd squabbled with the Saudi government over their decision to let US troops into the country kicked out to Saudi Arabia and when he shows up in Sudan bin Laden who by this point is thirty four years old has four wives. Thirteen children how to thought that maybe he wasn't going to go back to fighting. Maybe he was ready for a new phase of his life here in Sudan as a nation builder just like his dad back in Saudi Arabia. The older bin Laden had been this huge construction tycoon. These fathers extremely wealthy and have been killed in a plane crash and as one of seventeen sons he was entitled to a sizeable share of his father's estate so he arrived instead on with a huge amount of money and he was determined to use at least some of that money to help. The Sudanese government develop their country. They were promising him huge contracts to build roads and lots of opportunities because Saddam was not as it was several years behind. Saudi Arabia was as his father had built Saudi Arabia's. He now thought well. I'm going to build Saddam. He was in his mind building a perfect society And literally building it yet. He built massive roads and bridges swimming pools houses. Whatever was needed? There's this interview the first one bin Laden ever did with the Western media was published in the UK paper The independent in nineteen ninety three. The headlines Has anti-soviet Warrior puts his army on the road to peace in it. The journalist Robert Fisk asks in Laden after fighting the Russians. Is it not anti-climactic for you and your fellow fighters to end up building roads in Sudan bin Laden? Scoffs saying that. He's a construction engineer. This is what he wants to do. Not for profit but to help local Muslims to improve their lives now as for the farm how that enters the picture. The government didn't have any money to pay him so they gave him land which is why he ended up. Having a foam that Damascene foam the dominant farm was about three hundred miles southeast of Khartoum near the GOP in border it was out in the middle of nowhere and there was nothing there a tool when he was first given the land but it was a part of the country that was verdant. Green Sudan is a wonderfully fertile country and and bin Laden really had the idea could feed the world if it were properly organized in. And he's right. He raised cattle and horses and was cold. Necessity and fava beans watermelon. Lucille's the things but the crop that was the most important to him was his sunflowers. His wife naturally said he was obsessed with growing The biggest sunflower heads the exist in. How will he thought that his son flourish should be in the Guinness Book of World Records? What yeah he was very proud of his sunflowers and dumb farm brought his whole family joy. He took his family down there. We cans and they had a swimming pool down there and horses down there. They could write occasionally when it was Harvesting of some flowers time they would come down from Khartoum because they still lived in cartoon and all of all of the employees from Thomson Farm would be kind of sent away out out to the whole area so the wives and the kids could get out Pez assists and come out into the field and cut down some clouds for a few hours. It's a nice thing to do when you stuck in the house. The time to get outside and take your rail and this brings us back to Abdelatif Nassir. He was the sunflower men. So after that interview shelby I went back to the. Us government's declassified file on ability Nassir and look back over what it said about his time in Sudan. It didn't mention sunflowers. But it did say that. He worked for two years as a production. Overseer managing sort of from above Making sure people had enough resources and enough people on the field and so it seems to possibly match her story but then it made me wonder what else was happening at that farm. How often would Osama bin Laden just stopped by? Did they ever meet? Did they ever talk? What did they talk about? How did how did he get the job to begin with? This is a bookish guy from the city no agricultural experience at all. How did he wind up there well? Khartoum has a modest sized city Lawrence right suggests that he was probably looking for a job and he did what people looking for a job in Khartoum Duke. Maybe got a recommendation. Maybe he just wandered downtown if you to downtown. Khartoum and you walk along Mecca numerous That was a street where Wadi Allocate the Bin Laden Holding Company. Was You know the the mother of all company's Sumo Baldo again? You could not miss the houses you could not miss the companies he he. He was visible for for everyone. And if you were walking down that street and you were talking to someone you know where do I find a job This show walk over there. Knock on the door so presumably. That's what he did. He walked into the door knocked and then applied would bin Laden have interviewed every who worked for him or no he was not that kind of Bassir. Well so every case is different. This is Wesley work. He's a Canadian academic. My specialization has been in the fields of national security issues including terrorism. I'm not familiar with what might be notified. Mr Nassar's involvement in Sudan but yeah Bin Laden himself personally interviewed the sort of key leadership in management. We are job interview that must have been actually later found testimony from someone else who worked on that farm who said that. Osama bin Laden preferred to interview job candidates himself for rules on the farm all the way down to assistant managers which could have included Abdullatif Nassir. Please answer the required information accurately untruthfully. You can actually find online this job. Application to be fair. It's not for the farm. It's an al-Qaeda job application. Today's date nickname father's name Elliott grandfather. He probably didn't fill out this particular application education level primary elementary secondary. But it's weirdly corporate list the experience or expertise that you have in any area. What's your favorite material science or literature? But by all accounts please answer in the language. You know what these job interviews were about these right. Clearly and legibly was was not really technical. Competence around whatever particular function bin Laden wanted to see a person occupy. They apparently were interviews around. How much of the Holy Koran have you memorize protest Islam and did you study sharia? Who was your instructor religious in the logical purity ideas and views to you your family and your other acquaintances have about Jihad and Allah's sake here So they were being assassin that light that can be cast to suggest that anybody went through that process and pass that interview must have been D- by definition committed to Jihad I'm not so convinced by that. Wesley Clark has another idea. I mean the thing to keep in mind is against Sudan. Very poor country. Didn't have much of managerial or professional class. So bin Laden as he embarked on this commercial empire building in Sudan. State within a state was desperate to Hire people with some professional qualifications. Even if was the silicate and Nassar's case with a bit of a university education than still would have made him stand out perhaps from many of the people that would be available to to assist bin Laden in many of these enterprises in Sudan given the dire poverty of Sudan estate and Konami. So it's like you're looking at the waiting room outside of that job interview and you're like okay. That's my guy that's he. Looks like management material at least compared to someone. University education probably well-spoken Capable of managing and organizing right now. Who knows but but all of that kind of thing could go through your mind to make it less. Suspicious city kid would find himself working on a farm in Sudan. You should be a lawyer. I saying okay. So whether it's because he was personally suited or ideologically primed or just. The Best of the bunch showed up ability. Nassir lands this job on Osama bin Laden's farm now one of bin Laden's former associates rotate. For those years. They were in Sudan quote. Al-qaeda was ninety nine percent construction and agriculture company. But about that other one percent. He loved being this. You know plantation owner. And you know having this vast holdings and you know he loved imagining himself as this great international businessman. Yeah at the same time. He missed the the thrill of combat and the aura that surrounded him as the great Muslim warrior so while he presented a public face being the warrior on the road to peace behind the scenes he was funding and encouraging violent actions. Abroad in places like Somalia. Algeria Egypt Yemen there are issues in which companies where a cover for military. You had agenda in multiple countries of the Arab world. However I'm not sure that each and every individual who work in these different companies or farms would be by necessity a fighter or hardest but what about ability F- Nassir for those approximately two years that he was on. Osama bin Laden's payroll managing sorta from above was Abdelatif. Just Working Normal Boring Desk Job. Or was he in on it. I started to dig to research company. The farm and deeper I dug the more evidence I found but the more evidence I found the more I swung back and forth. So let's start on the most basic level. How big was this? Osama bin Laden company. Wadih El Aqiq well. It was massive around that time it had about ten thousand employees American companies. Now in that same ballpark net flicks Reebok Wendy's so this is a big company and You know there were different enterprises and it wasn't even really one company was a cluster of companies The al-Hijra Construction Company the al-Kudrah shipping company a Tannery a bakery an investment bank even the L. E. Class Candy Company who knew Osama Bin Laden owned a Candy Company. There were at least. Two agricultural companies one was called the blessed fruit company and they were pretty big as well and as for the Damascene farm it appeared to employ about my recollection is about four thousand people which which is a considerable workforce for farm huge. And the reason they had so many employees. Was that the farms and in particular. The farm were enormous. Well I don't know exactly how big each one of them was. One of them he said was bigger than the United Arab Emirates. Elma add that would be roughly the size of the State of South Carolina. So you know there were considerable size and not only that. The DUMBARTON farm was several hours. Drive from the company's headquarters in Khartoum and this is in the nineties and Sudan so pre videoconferencing pre Internet so huge company huge farm super remote says so far it feels like blaming someone who works on this farm for being Kaieda feels like blaming someone behind the counter at your local. Wendy's for what the CEO believes or does in his spare time. A corporate headquarters must confess. It goes back a number of years but Wesley Work. Actually told me the story of different guy. An Egyptian guy who worked the job just like Abdelatif at that. Same SUDANESE FARM. The year before ability started working there A particular individual by the name of Muhammed Zaki. Maju BH Mahjoub story is actually very similar to Abdelatif Story. He was a foreigner in Sudan. Couldn't find a job ends up interviewing with Osama bin Laden. They do an hour and a half or two hour interview where he claims. Bin Laden never even brought up religion. Mahjoub gets the job and then spends a year overseeing not just the irrigation and cultivation of what he says million Acre farm but also managing four thousand workers who reported directly to help according to this Guy Mahjoub in that year long stretch. He only met Bin Laden three times. And each time it was totally mundane just reporting on day to day operations that kind of thing but then later this Guy Mohammed Mahjoub would face deportation hearings in Canada in large part for having that job in Sudan it it gets into that gray area of kind of guilt by association. The argument seems kind of thin. That is until you realize who else worked at the farm at like a big farm especially Damson. You're going to see a lot of veterans of the Afghan war. Because that's who was employed in these places again former CIA analyst Cynthia storer Arabs and Arab types so like if I met one of these businesses if I'm Wadih El Aqiq at the dumb farm and there's they call a staff meeting and I'm like looking around the table at WHO's here. Who who am I looking at? I mean you're probably looking at people from a lot of different nationalities and radical groups. You could be you know. I'm the manager of X. But I also attend or run training. Camp things to the leader testimony of al-Qaeda guy who worked in the business. We have a pretty good estimate of how many of the four thousand farm employees were actually members of al-Qaeda of that workforce about five hundred people were actual al-Qaeda members. Okay so the majority of the people on this farm were just doing farm jobs. But about one in eight were likely affiliated with al-Qaeda. Okay so now you might think this looks kind of suspicious again but it turns out these violent revolutionary al Qaeda guys working on this farm. They were very very quiet. They thought of themselves as a clandestine and elite group. They wouldn't just let anyone in and given who Abdullatif was on paper. It seems like he was much more likely to be one of the majority of civilian employees rather than one of the minority of al-Qaeda plotters and fighters hidden amongst them. I totally believe that journalists Cathy. Scott Clark again if he's got no previous military experience he's never trained in al-Qaeda camps never been before snuff Ghanistan than than this absolutely no way. He's going to be let into any any details about any kind of military training the form And the Mujahideen Fighters. His would've kept totally separate from any civilian employees interesting to support that position. I reached out to Ali. Sue Fond the FBI agent who interrogated so many people and he wasn't really familiar with him And then I asked Mohammed lie by is a the Business Manager of of Bin Laden's enterprises in Sudan and he said to me that He didn't ring a bell. Also Osama bin Laden had a personal secretary while he was in Sudan. A guy named Wadih El Hush. That personal secretary had a phone book. At the time we managed to get a copy looked up Abdullatif name and did not find it so it could be that he was just a low level employee kind of citizens sitting in a dusty office outside the field and the people who get paid two hundred dollars a month coming clock into him every morning and he makes sure that they're doing their jobs properly. That doesn't mean that he's a senior Al Qaeda Character at all. There's actually some basis for this in a declassified summary of a US military interrogation of Abdullatif in two thousand four in the report. It says quote when asked if Osama bin Laden ever spoke directly to Nassir Nassir related his only interaction with Osama bin Laden with to share greetings when they would pass by each other now star stated that he was unsure if Osama bin Laden knew his name during that time in Sudan during that same interrogation according to the report ability claimed that it wasn't until the end of his two years working in Sudan that he realized that such a thing as al Qaeda existed and that Osama bin Laden and all these guys working around him who fought with bin Laden in Afghanistan were part of it. Now granted that could all be ally. It could be a faulty memory. It could be a falsehood through torture but it does seem possible like every TV news interview of a neighbor. Who's like I had no idea what was on next door but that makes me wonder what were these al Qaeda guys on this farm actually doing but one thing I haven't said we should I should say is is that the was A small area in far flung part of the farm where he did kind of put together this this little what they call the Al Qaeda Refresher Course Oh adamas. In farm very very large farm portion of that farm the northern reaches of it were given over to what was called Refresher Training in firearms and explosives use by certain al Qaeda recruits. I mean loss of merger hitting had come from Pakistan with him or had arrived subsequently tumor on him arriving in Sudan because they had nowhere else to go and so stop me going crazy because they've trained as fighters they had these this little refresher courses which were run at Damascene so the farm was a pretty field of watermelons and sunflowers. Then again this was a farm. The size of a small state and the training camp was supposedly tucked away in the very northern edge. Do you think it would have been possible? I mean just based on what you your previous knowledge. Do you think it would have been possible to work there and not know about that stuff now Absolutely not there are other places you could work in. Not No you could work for. Some charitable organizations like big international ones and not know that a particular office was full of jihadis. 'cause they might do all their bad business in the back room right right right but you couldn't be at Thomason and not know. How does she know that? I'm not sure I need to go. Go back and check people. She interviewed who lived in a place at time. Who are not being tortured and Mussa anything to get you to stop right right. We went back to Cynthia store or to ask her how she did know that the answer was that it's classified coming up. Ability leaves his job at the farm or actually his job to farm leaves him. Hi This is Matt from San Jose. California radio lab is supported in part by the Alfred P Sloan Foundation enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the Modern World. More information about Sloan at www dot. Sloan Dot Org. I'm what if Nasser this is the other Lutts? If and now the story of how these two men with three names leave the farm with sunflowers behind towards the end of Bin. Laden's time in Sudan America began to get a upset about what he was up to journalist Lawrence right again and they suspected that his money was behind a lot of Different terrorists groups which it was he was funding. For instance The Islamist group in the the Algierian civil war and trying to stir up the Somali situation and his family disowned him because he was attacking the king that would be the King of Saudi Arabia and the family. And I think the Royal Family sent Jamaica Shoji who is a very prominent journalist who knew bin Laden and had been his friend. They sent him to Sudan to To try to get him to renounce violence law so Jamal He was friendly enough with Bin Laden. They could sit down and have dinner and every night. Jamal was in Khartoum. Every night course was lamb. They would sit on the floor and eat with their fingers. As is the Bedouin custom and the very first night bin Laden told Gemma that he was opposed to violence. This is not the way we need to achieve our goals. And Jamal said I have my tape recorder Just say that Publicly and you will be forgiven. You'll be able to return to the to the Kingdom bin Laden said maybe tomorrow so Jamal came back the next day and Bin Laden then more talk about it and he came back one more day instead You Know Osama. I'm leaving tomorrow. You know if you. WanNa make this statement be in the Hilton and Bin. Laden ever made the call June twenty-sixth nineteen ninety-five. There's an assassination attempt against the Egyptian president. Al Qaeda is blamed and pressure began to be put by the American government on the Sudanese government. And then finally the. Sudanese government decided to Agree with the Americans and drive him out of the country on May Eighteenth Nineteen ninety-six Osama bin Laden his family members and some of his closest allies board a plane and flee Khartoum bin Laden when he was booted out. He had to leave really quickly. What did they leave hanging there in in Sudan? If you know kittens everything I mean. Naturally the first the most chatty friendy wife I mean she says they were told they could any packed one suitcase each so everything that they've had in the houses furniture everything just one suitcase each and and and she says that the plane was kind of segregated with with cursing so all the wives and children of his armor plus the wife of Muhiddin fighters who returning with him. Ohana sat behind the Black Curtain. Men Sat in the section of the plane and under women men. The women no other game bin Laden was chased out of Sudan. One of the great diplomatic goose. Our history of his land was simply confiscated along with his machinery and so on his factories. I think part of what caused bin Laden to decide just a few months after to declare war on America is essentially held America responsible for forcing the Sudanese. Get rid of him so the Sudanese after stealing everything they could flew him out of there to Afghanistan and the al-Qaeda as we know it was born. So now here's one of the most perplexing parts of the story and it's where the Latif comes back in. He wasn't on that plane according to declassified. Us government documents one day ability. F- went from his job on the farm to go to the company headquarters in Khartoum to pick up his monthly paycheck. And when he gets there he realizes everyone's just gone he didn't know bin Laden had left. You just got left behind. I would imagine just to picture what happens when when Nazi goes up to find out why he's not been paid is the the the just be empty his kind of windows flapping open enough nothing there. Everyone's going everyone's clear now on one day. Wow there are probably a lot of people like Nassar who Who went in to get their paycheck and founded. The boss was no longer there. If you read the leaked government documents they say that ability of Nassir was supposedly one of Osama bin. Laden's top military advisers was he. He definitely doesn't seem like he was at this point. Certainly not important enough to be on that plane but this isn't the end of the story a little over a year later ability. F- would once again be in the same country as Sama Bin Laden. Where allegedly he abdulladif caused all kinds of trouble in the next episode. We come to the decisive moment. We came in. We threw a blue eighty two Dan Harris reports now from the front line. Sixteen thousand pounds of ice was trumped. Us fighter planes at fifty. Two's drop their payload. Were ability. Nassir actually comes into focus in a certain point. It was as if he decided to. Just tell the truth for the first time this episode was produced by Susie Lechtenberg Sarah Cari and meek locked if Nassir withheld from these anondo fact checking by Diane Kelly and Margot Williams editing by John Album Rod and Soren Wheeler original music by Jad Abroad Alex over in ten Jeremy Bloom and Amino Bellini next episode. One Week from today says Lena Abella Saunders from Temecula California radio lab is created by job. I Boom Rod with Robert Krulwich produced by Soren Wheeler Dylan. Keefe is director of sound design. Suzy Lechtenberg is our executive producer. Our staff includes Simon Adler backup. Bressler Rachel if a couple Bethel have de Tracy Hunt Matt kilty any McEwen lots of Nassir. Sarah Cari Arianne whack Pat Walters and molly webster with help from Shema. Willie I E. W Harry Fortuna Sarah Sampack Melissa. O'donnell Tat Davis and Russell Greg. Our fact Checker is Michelle Harris.

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Zapping Bin Laden

Ripper Magoos with Bob Menery

58:11 min | 1 year ago

Zapping Bin Laden

"Dana and I kind of got to know each other like all these other athletes and whatever built a little relationship through social media and Dana Gabia tickets prior to the D. S. Wednesday October sixteenth. Bob Medoro here river Magoo podcast I'm getting excited we'd get the UFC fight coming up I'm heading to Boston Well we gotta give it to cows doc which is interesting and it was kinda feeding the same time anyways river Magoo podcast it begins now gotta be kidding me that Guy Socks in Utah uh like athletes or celebrities that you don't meet face to face and obviously like we'll just DM each other for a while and talk back and forth Blah Blah and never really meet each other strong and he was nice about it though he just gave me a smile and he was just like hey man how you doing and I was like all right this is weird hey how you doing that got awkward and anyways the reason I'm bringing this up is I had a funny encounter Shaquille O'Neal was sitting two rows ahead of me to the right now shack and I have talked he's been doing a lot of deejays good to see how you doing and I never said my name I just shook his head and he gave me this look like deer in the headlights basically who the fuck is this kid because I came in Shapiro for that he created that nowhere days like hey bob just sent me some things that you say and I'm going to create the song for your podcast and I was like all right thank you enough we're gonNA use that forever and not give you any money so that's awesome anyways the show obviously Tim Bounce back is here with me stuff which is awesome now he's going to be coming on the show at some point throughout the season so we've had this alleged we're going back and forth talked about weird whatever sports basketball his DJ walked away and I sat back in my seat I felt so defeated so I sit down and time goes by this is bothering me I can't even watch the fucking fights getting worried about this shit so I keep picking over widely shack I look over and he takes out a cell phone and he looks at his cell phone and then he kind of gives it a look around you know and so I texted him again right Verret said Hey I'm right behind us left I'm standing up his phone again takes a look back and he kinda puts his hands in the air like Oh my God he gets up he walks over to me and there was the funniest line my phone Zapper Zapper River Magoo Zap Rigor Magoo say Dick fell off send it over to him and he created that masterpiece cal well done no me as sess says money or the bonecrusher soccer field so I ran from Green Bay Wisconsin go PETCO I have been playing soccer professionally as timmy you have let's see spam commercial one never aired American Airlines you're an Internet and they saw your host Lauren sessile men the only normal one in the that's up with an impressive resume timmy yours isn't it all right I looked at both your resume Shaquille O'Neal made my way around you know I'm like all right tech security goes where you go on like I know shack relax I know shack so get past security guard go up Mike Shack what's up buddy tale in it and that's about it so lauren I want to start with Lauren you are basically a superhero of of of soccer takes a seat and I'm like Oh shit shack so I take all my phone and I go and send chack attacks I said hey shack what's up Mike right behind you turn around and more aggressive I've had my head cracked open I've had a bunch of red cards for all you guys know that's not a good thing cards from Craig's all the time yes I have a golden and bronze medal for the Canadian national team so my father was from Newfoundland and so that's how I played for Canada and spend the best career era probably for like three months now so I see him at the fight he sitting ringside he's to the headline said far to the right and you can't miss him he's coming down as big fucking giant S. twelve years you know went to purdue university and then I got drafted out of college and playing the W. P. S. which for guys not familiar that was a pro league nell cut over to fuck face over here Jimmy Bounce back he's going to be bringing you all the gambling takes maters bombers were calling you like how people whenever he comes up to me he goes man I thought you were sixty five year old black man and I was like all right cool cool so this isn't it was just an encounter that happened between me and and all the time now I was bold enough to Washington and Miami two teams and haven't won a game the line I got was Washington tation of Women in sports is that we're like these like these pansies we can't we can't do anything we're not tougher not aggressive and that's the main reason why men don't WanNa Watch us but let me tell you we are waiting so Laura number let you have the floor tell tell us about everything well first of all I love the way you say my name Lauren says yeah it's great so a lot of my fans absolutely to fucking guy falls yesterday were timmy came in yesterday to see me he was hammered drunk he fell on top man leave me on fire basically with a fucking cigar it like literally last three minutes Miami goes down punches it in and I'm like Oh my God well at least I got overtime you know maybe if Washington gets the ball and send message time goes by it's like ten fifteen minutes he has his phone the fights are about to start something like this is just go over and civil shack we talked today knows who I am right I mean I'm talking so I get up I walk over to see people always talking shit to me and so what I do I do sneak a little things like a punch in the gut step on their foot trip on girls okay I think there's a Mr Nice girl do you guys talk shit ever in the football soccer fields above nine yeah I'm not a big Shit talker I'm more of like an action person so there's can score I can still cover no guess what they do they go for a two point conversion you you've been on a fucking cooler I stuck on my neck for it wasn't on purpose anyways so that's that's cool if you wanted to sell that bronze-medal right now if you wanted to put down there what do you think you give they actually told us that it was around three hundred fifty thousand dollars outs to some kick ass females so first since it is breast cancer awareness month I have to give a shout out to my former teammates Orlando Pride superstar twenty Presley minus five and a half they're winning by touchdown the whole game and you feel like these guys are just GonNa Phone and in I got this one locked up in like the overcame breast cancer she was diagnosed in July had the surgery and is now back on the field she made her debut this past weekend so we have to give her a shoutout and since we had hey fuck off and they like let the girl score the first two points like she was like an fucking lasts all star game we'll get the fuck you do have the over under just letting her score three more kick ass females and we have allyson Felix who just came back from having a baby ten months ago beating you Sane Bolts World Championship record she has third always sorry no no no I love it we're going to get you guys more involved in the soccer community because this is GonNa be epic I remember there was a little drunk but it was a little drama and if she he could score a goal against got so I know everyone wants to talk about football baseball you know we'll get there I'm GonNa be doing a lot of that on all these episodes but for my first segments I have to give few shots you've had already looking live shot the women's professional soccer league and the now it is the WWL National Women's soccer league just you guys can follow along ever made was w give a shoutout to Simone biles I mean this woman is the goat gymnastics she is now the most decorated male or female gymnasts of world champion the three stooges minus her stooges are going to be running the point on this river Magoo podcast all right so what else lauren what else you got for us here you're full of Fun Facts Museum World Cup this summer we have to give a shout to the N. W. Sow which is the league that I played in for many years so you guys are going to have to check it out the semifinals are starting this weekend can you describe what is baiters bombers going to be giving it oh my gosh to ESPN's Scott Van Pelt deadbeats we're still your shits because there's games like that ship history she has twenty five medals so that is incredibly insane and then my last shout out is to cocoa golf who is fifteen you guys doing at age fifteen I was introduced adderall for the first long struggle stealing snickers bars and playboy's fucking worst performance of the week and I just gave the name Shit Bag titty fuck I don't know I felt like it stuck anyways coming up this week we have couple nominees we'll talk about but let's play the last leaks should bag teddy fuck and see who won and took the Crown Iro a city at Egypt known for its Pyramid Two pyramids three miles apart Cairo Santos eighteen gold medals now that's twenty five in her career she had a baby and then she bolts es faster that's pretty impressive and then we have to years old winning her first WTI title this past weekend she is younger than both Serena and Venus Williams when they first when their titles at age seventeen I just want to ask you guys and you can watch Portland's Seattle Chicago and North Carolina look at promos now they're not paying us they're not paying hey charlie brown the kicks just kept getting worse and worse as the game progressed this one thirty six yards wide right it was like an halftime two seventy roofing don't couldn't fuck and make it in between them it's the worst kicker the NFL and he's now unemployed he should have stuck with soccer legs are made on Jello and he kicks Like Gossiping it looks like a duck was shot mid air and just plummeting to the ground no god and that's all she wrote for Mr Santos the team on having the city you go buy a shirt everybody's doing Cairo Santos his earn the shit bag titty fuck in the week for week five correct him direct lauren correct yeah no cheese the score on the goalkeeper you're the goal I love it so you have which depressed me more as you have a goal bronze-medal live PM on Instagram Pacific time stay tuned so without further ado this man is not a shit bag titty fuck in any way shape or form our next guest and actually on a gambling show we just fade you so every so excited because we all just about the opposite when we started gambling show me in you you fucking heater you're like this was from Donnie and he hits a fucking ground ball not even close now it's just unbearable to watch fifty three yards a chance to redeem himself in this one is own piece of the most wanted man Osama bin Laden men responsible for the horrific tax on nine eleven the man needs no introduction he's not a shit bag having and not happy one way ticket back to Brazil Baba unfortunately we feel bad for you but fuck it you are the shit back Titi flock of the we'll have rescue mission seal team six is stories incredible and he is most known though for putting three bullets inside of the fucking actually it's like a house on his way over to break in ends the Lawrence obviously great to have you on here you're going to be an asset to the show calling me a nine to just be like hey bob and they what's Timmy's pick but now they're all fucking rope because you fucking have been ice cold so that's basically that so this is so long I joined the navy before nine eleven and after nine eleven I'm just working with the Navy seals and we were just doing what we did we thought it was normal because everyone I knew was doing the same thing Vo Sama Bin Laden it doesn't get much fucking core than that it might be cool but I'm a guy that follow cougar set of stairs and turn right because he turned left was the man obviously worked with a team of seals this is true but is the man who's responsible for putting how many both three three bullets directly into the head awarded free advertising you gotta go ahead and then the finals are going to be next weekend on the twenty seven so it makes you guys all check it out and then I want to just touch base on fortunate to be a part of it I was never a tough new really good people and I understood a good work ethic life happens around you as you're planning so we met before we get into that because obviously I don't know I workout so we're just normal stuff it doesn't quite sink in until seven years later until it's like wow what we were doing wasn't quite normal in very special people and I was very our first guest and I made that promise like I said to Robert I said if I ever a podcast if things fall into place your guest things worked out he was in la he wasn't fucking wrestling great wide it all I get nervous I don't know I fucking good that's good stuff getting a little taste of the girls in here love their don't worry we'll come back next weekend I'm not because I'm a big believer look at me no seriously looking at actually speaking of ripping Tequila that is actually how you guys that's how Robert Knife Smet because we've met mean you I'm trying to think we've been on social media you're like we met on social media and it was funny because I was in Miami Jessica my wife and I were at one of the hotels down there ndo Contra Contra One guy one guy interesting yeah that's some good shit behave and we start talking about Frisky I would run into guys in we call the team room which is our lockers are cages and they had made worldwide headlines the night before do some very cool and say hey man that was amazing what you did all right all right I can't tell you to dumpster teams I can't tell you yet but it's coming out of my more my no more of your war we'll talk about yeah I love it I love it okay cool so SPF ship activity fuck of the week the segue everybody looks forward to I think we take a look back in front of it doesn't know the SPF is it's the all right so I go into a bar me Robert Mike on the left of me I have the guy that killed us out bin Laden on the right of me I have the medal of honor recipient. Yeah I just had so much fun and and now I'm here with two knuckleheads happy you hit the fucking love this did you guys ever like you're such a sweet in such a friends and you hit us up Holy Shit that's fine as Bob Mentoring right and then you and I met we just kind of message in New York we did our thing and then we ended up going because hi this is unbelievable plus Robert if you don't know Robert Story and I think it's just pretty planning civil a lot of people can brag about a lot of different things that they do with their lives or their careers but Robert Sharks found time for us I mean navy seal over what how many missions impor- hundred floor and four hundred missions Captain Phillips he was involved in that mission is escape Shoah Jimmy does no Gabby I don't know you just don't win money it's where there's no self control control at all into in the NBA I had the most important people in the world we've five picks it up go on a week six lauren any inkling on who the bacteria faculty this week I have absolutely no what you got it's gotta be somebody on Cleveland Tampa Bay fuck unless you go out with them late night past midnight Robert O'Neill come down Bob thanks for having me appreciate it I remember we got Dana White I think that set us up with no you you set us up within the wider you see fo- Senator Msg for the for the fight fight yeah I know we can happens and it's just it's a reality of once you get a certain point pass what we did it's not normal normal but it's not Dakota I've talked about this before where it's like I was there with the very cool team and people now what's what's it like to be sort of famous I'm like I'm not I'm not famous I just shot someone who's famous it was something that you know that we have been doing for out of an honor if you think about it because bin Laden's with fifty million I think I could at least you know a buck and a half but it's get what was the bounty on your head I don't know yet but I is that it fighting in the only reason we were fighting is because we were born into different places like we might have loved each other because not everyone in a war zone as a combatant and some of the best people I've met the ship now it's like some of these people giving the orders to trust the goal there were they based on morality or politics and it's it's so yes a story you know what's funny is I'm not sick of it but my wife is and she's funding Jessica and she'll she'll she'll kind of like I'm out of here I'm going to rip some Tequila or some you know I'm at the point now I'm forty three years old and I can picture people that I've killed in their own houses and according to have talked about this and it's like the only reason that I killed us because we were how sick and tired sick and tired of telling the story because it's got to be a point where it's like everybody comes up I wanted to know knock down the stairs Zappin Laden millions and millions and millions of times the night that you guys invade Pakistan two helicopters right there we well we had to initially but I remember too because Obviously Dakota stories amazing stories it's fucking crazy and actually will actually probably have on here so that when we do but I remember I was asking to code like how you kind of handle the post traumatic stress stuff you know and Dakota was like what is it the PTSD The post stress it's not a disorder it's just realizing that tonight because I've never seen a child get hurt and never seen a woman get hurt and I really believe the people that I personally engaged and killed were bad people but you know what we gave it a second you know what what what if our religion have a certain amount of time can't refuel and certain amount to get out and so we came up with this big plan of we need this Blah Blah Blah this much time to fly in it's going to be ninety minutes what do you need to rain hell on Pakistan my fucking surrendered to anybody and like that is in south side Chicago Shit but so therefore sets a mass like a lot of you guys with a certain amount of weight of fuel into Pakistan and what a lot of people don't realize is that on a long range helicopter mission we normally have basis that will refuel us this one for politics didn't get involved seven years later it starts to mess with me personally and a lot of guys that I deal with and it's just you know we we always believe that we did the right thing but then especially have been people over there and so it's just mess with your head a little bit you can't get too deep into it because you got to believe in what we're doing and all this stuff but some of these people personally that I've dealt with I can sleep invade Pakistan the first people aren't going to be the pack mill it's going to be the police and we don't want to get in a fight with the police because we're not at war with Pakistan and we invaded even though we did then thirty four minutes maximum on deck because we'd call it and then we can maybe get out and we accepted that and we presented that to him and President Obama and then it actually got really cool and I'm not sure I've mentioned this before the interviews but we present a President Obama with weaken send this group half the people say that I can't talk about I still can't talk about because I don't know about it but we had certain assets above a certain bomber certain things I can't get into but then we had helicopters coming in behind us so we told them that we will eventually come in if we find bin Laden and get them we call it a hard point we're gonNA get a perimeter and not fight it out and we're going to try to negotiate with the Pakistan the uprising the locals started in Tunisia went into Libya and so we assume going Qaddafi but we weren't allowed to take anyone other than seals you're talking about the planning ages but they told us because of the weight you only twenty three navy seals so figure it out so we're figuring out we're going into Libya get through this long day and finally on Friday the like look we didn't tell you what we he's in hopefully someone will fly over to Islam bad capital Pakistan and negotiate and that was our great plan and President Obama so Cooley said yeah that's that's cool he looked at the chief of staff of the Air Force Tayside Vodkas not a disorder when I run out of it it's okay so let's get to the degree of it let's get to the story that you've told in Miami beach because when you get war you WanNa bring your guys on a good kind of let it loose we're GONNA be diving in training but we're in Miami and call us back in the kind of told us we found a thing we think is that tomorrow was there and I'm like I'm good but then Robert goes well you know Isis has like a ten million dollar about my head and I'm like what are you Hillary Clinton you know I'm GonNa give her credit secretary gates we were comfortable going into it so that's kind of how the Nike Man but the funniest part of the story was when they told us we were going in but didn't quite tell us up with about we have the two birds coming in tubers behind us too so we were very comfortable after the fact when we came up with our plan is enlisted navy seals and then president Obama's administration and actually said was so what happens if you get stuck what happens if this happens if he's not there he's he's doing the contingencies right and so we said well we're going to sit there and we don't WanNa get in a fight because you got to figure if that's because I was asking and by the way disorder the wrong word I'm like an idiot like when I told people I guess so Dakota Meyer won the vodka the subject to talk about because I remember you the good news about talk every day they might they might come up above water and then then we'll find him okay because people are say you're scared before we know is happening but we're trying for it and as Navy Seals were big believers in people subject matter experts so our Radio Guys Air Force C. C. T. R. Medics or air force B very calm and he said that's exactly what I was thinking so he and calmly talking as we're talking this the guy driving the van looked in the river mirror and exactly said like this going go home go see your kids have a drink comeback on Sunday and we're GONNA drive you down to a secret base I'm not going to get into that again and we're going to read you in on what what you're O.`Neil if we kill Osama bin Laden I will suck Yo diff I we get down to the secret base and hearted so then we had a couple of weeks so how long was from that conversation to the moment you guys took off and what was the timeline exactly three weeks so three weeks doing so we're like okay cool who's who's going to be there at the read in they said well it's going to be the Vice President Secretary Defense Sector the Navy like Holy Shit they're going on this list and finally still have no idea of these intelligence people and we have these operators then we had the higher ups who wanted to make sure because they're going to approve what we're GonNa do and they were explaining to us how we found hey they split us up orbison Advan all these guys these are all my guys are you guys oh my gosh seal team six driving secret spot to the point where we're going to stop in North Carolina and hopefully get and in those three weeks is like the movie you guys built an exact replica we didn't build it it was already built and we showed up and they kind of told us what we're doing it was a very cool conglomeration as we had two days to go was that Saturday or that Sunday and the reason that we didn't go on that Saturday because they're only two days a month where there's zero percent the girls and we wouldn't we wouldn't get fucking zapped I remember I never felt I never I don't believe I never felt safer though in my life because I'm like us and I might get the math wrong and I'm sure twitter won't hate me but thirteen combat deployments and then we were back and they pulled us in to I was diving house this House is in a bowl this house in the country are going to get this thing while the bus so we assumed at first three weeks out that it was Qaddafi because it was called the Arab spring just started up and the Arab spring was really worth thinking because we're we're all very very senior become shooters very senior shooters and towards the end of the list Alexei Department has to be there then ct pad woman who they basically zero dark thirty on she came in the room for semi matter and his cool guys the reason you're here is this is as close as we've ever been SCP's there when we fucking exactly so we cut that one off and then we started to realize we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go and President Obama was so cool when he said I was never I'm jumping ahead but he said I was never to a point where like look fuck off I don't care how you found him where is he and I'll go I trust you and they were down to five different solutions we can bomb it this way Blah Blah you guys can go in and shit here and go that way that let's let's fast forward to after all that training stuff right you are now at the point where you're deploying to pass we went overseas early because not scared I'm aware of it because I remember we were going to take oh down with Robert suggested though what we can do a multilateral operation with you in the Pakistanis every operator every seal team six guy in the room was like yeah try that you do the Pakistanis found bin Laden and I caught that pad is the CIA counterterrorist pakistan-afghan and we think we're going to Libya anyway I didn't say Shit we're back home to my kids we had a boss Admiral mcraven if you hadn't read his book make your bed is that the guy on youtube viral videos that you can do is make your bats in cold shower bin Laden has a show on CNBC but no one watched NBC and Obama sat there just cool as a cucumber laughing knowing we're GonNa get him tomorrow I think it was canned just for like he's because he he was smart enough to realize that if we get to launch we launch and that's just what it is giving a green light on a Friday and the way that we thought tactically what what we don't want you to see anything and on on Saturday there was a correspondence dinner and we realized that if we launch now the president and the entire cabinet and the press corps and the White House Somma bin Laden and you kind of looking around the room and it's not high fiving cheering these are professionals we're all thirty five years old I today I was going to and that's which is crazy what do you mean so seth Meyers wrote the correspondence centers on CNBC Seth Meyers just sitting there President Obama sitting next to him knowing going after bin Laden soon and if they all get up and leave the press like some so now so we told the president we're going to go tomorrow because the weather's bad and the president was like you realize it's two thousand mechanical negative twinkie as we're driving down we got you covered his head down though but I'm driving in advance the nation from the Moon we want zero percent we want dark but does that mean so what it means is when we show what we don't want any elimination we don't want any moonlight any light because we're we're going to go dark where we're going awesome so no so the next day we knew we're going to go and and Adam mcraven pulled us in a room for the guys that were available we are the most qualified special I said all right guys here's the deal I watched my favorite movie last night hoosiers and I gotta bring up the point where they're getting ready to play for the State Championship and then the huge gym and hundred percent convinced Bin Laden was in the house but after seeing is one hundred percent convinced you guys could go in and come out alive it's unreal I always tell people like you killed a lot I'm like dude I was smart enough carry the he's like the fucking your personal experience I haven't even gotten to that yeah so so the correspondent center ends and we had our last workout I was watching the NFL draft what is fight which actually a very funny story about but we are heading to Boston October eighteenth fight Wiedeman is fighting raise very excited about that so like I said I have these like weird relationships with the thank you we're going to Libya and I look at my boss sitting next to me and I said you know what I explained to them and I said this isn't didn't find Qaddafi they found bin Laden and my boss looked at the big guy put the small guy and his shoulders and gave him the the tape measure and he said he measured the back of the hoop down to the floor. What's the measurements and it goes ten feet get a journal maybe a fucking Redskins I remember the draft Trent Williams on like what does it matter it'd be tomorrow fucking ending and not in this order but I played with my kids scotch put them to bed and then we notice before we started training so we came on Sunday out there knowing starring just don't face fucking dope and I love twitter haters had no bullshit Obama everything with it awesome the most intriguing stuff operators in American history available because we have we have we have others six guys but we're we're we're we're that he didn't need to give a pep talk but he stood in front of us right before leaving any yeah I know what the weather every morning every so we kind of and was about him though he was he was getting roasted at the dinner by Seth Meyers about Bin Laden to say that's my story and I'm tired of mcraven Steel Mesh I got no but he he was we went over the redskins drafted a don't be a skins fan I didn't get adrenaline and gunfights Ali some of best friends you know what the fuck we were doing Obama definitely didn't tell anyone and handsome president I would've stood up and said some shit victory the only thing here is a bigger arena more people are watching because you have done this every night you've been doing it for years more people are watching and we're sitting there as professional coach cool now from the back of the hoop to the free throw line what's the measurement fifteen coach and gene hackman the coach said all right these are the exact measurements of your Jim bakken old no shit from the from the UK so Whoa I'm not making the gotTa look resort down yeah go golf red mill and they don't know how to do it and they're like OK O'Neill based on your intelligence what are they doing I'm like well based on how I know these guys he's trying to figure out how to eat it or fuck it Elias into the right and then they tell us when we're over Pakistan now you're in what we call a free fires them we're invading Pakistan and if they shoot us down now leads Robert Geysers superheroes kind of so we leave the same base we've always laughs and as opposed flying into to fuck treadmills we can't even be mad at them because we're invading these are the rules and you can't be mad and so this is a very important lesson especially in life is like if there's something that might happen you can't and we would fight the Taliban and we do the so much like to the point where it's almost like we'd crushed al Qaeda so much that we would fight their JV seriously just like how engaging this fucking story is literally the most riveting and we do this all the time and so you're not fucking Ghanistan they retreated to Pakistan that's why we knew bin Laden was in there once we started leaving parts of Afghanistan and Shitty little valleys have they sent me a picture of these Taliban guys they were on a they literally it's literally like though I'm thinking yeah we're we're we're turning to the right and then the pilots and these are the heroes so they they picked up the four best pilots in the world who happen to be Army pilots and the and then you know we we go back and we are all of Labour's every guy there was an IRA every there was a communicator unreal because it's called redundancy uh-huh bounceback like really should our first story we killed so many high value guys is the mood of the fucking the mood was insane mood was so cool because we've been fighting for so long we used to fly from Jalalabad Afghanistan up to Asadabad Afghanistan going it's called the Pesher Valley a and now all we know is we have ninety minutes and why are you have ninety minutes because that's how long it's GonNa take to get to Audubon Pakistan okay and that's where bin Laden is and that's a resort town with a golf course find him and he can outrun them only he could find him or not running richer took last cigarette fuck left number flying out of Jalalabad Afghanistan and win the super secret helicopters which insanity once you see what they look like and if and when we lose half of us the rest of complete mission got it so that's that's how they pick the guys and so then we got on the helicopter with You know I made my last phone call my dad we gave hugs do each other a couple kisses and I'm like this motherfucker is asleep on the ride literally to Bin Laden's House ice in your veins so what I'm doing those counting because of a missile hit me up the worrying about not GonNa help oh by worrying stop fucking worrying so I'm sitting here with Cairo these the dog does your Malawai he's there in his handler cheeses next to me my boss here with the dog we got a dog because he can find up by the pool people outside Robert Zach you're out you're out there decided to wedge a nine hundred some counting zero two thousand thousand zero I learned as a sniper one two three four five and this calms you down it keeps your mind off that you guys know how to control the fight and Komo splitting headache yet but that would so so we're flying in and and and worrying about shit doesn't matter in life's too short I'm looking over the guy next to me he's asleep what with a good note fucking joke so we're flying late adrenaline you guys seem we hope we can but we give ourselves to the same advice every day maybe we can maybe we camp accounting helps so we're counting Cairo's right here cheeses there roy they open the fucking doors for us we couldn't figure that out but that's their job and that's what we need to do so they open these doors we looked down just flew over golf course lights everywhere resort town and I remember happened but we went to put our guys down outside and our pilot was going to lift us up and he saw the other helicopter it didn't crash very important they never kind of laughing at myself knowing I'm going to die tonight and I was like I remember saying out loud this is serious ABC I'm Gary earned it and he parked it in the front that's actually what happened and this dude made that decision like that both pilots but this pilot saw them do this and based on effective communication is over here and my bosses here and I can't describe the hill to yet but we're kind of flying in eighty minutes in the bank to the south ten minutes out and as Hollywood is I'm like I'm like Charlie Sheen better looking at taller rehearse we've done it so many times dash one's going to go over the top of these two Asian without talking he came up came back down and I remember putting my left foot down on the grass and saying to myself audibly we start the fucking war from here so we got out I'm supposed sounds I'm just I'm sitting here in this helicopter and accounting five fifty four five thirty five fifty five fifty six I don't know how came said freedom itself was attacked this morning by faces scoured and freedom will be defended that was a famous words of George Bush George Bush I don't know how I remembered freedom itself was attacked this morning right because dash one dash two and we're two minutes out four other heroes that are mentioned in the mission or the aircrew guys guys controlling the inside so pilots refund the aircraft to be on that roof but I knew on the northeast corner there's a double door like fuck we're gonna blow them and then we're GonNa go in and as we're going there said a courtesy to they were dashed when we were asked you crashed crashed landed because the flight lead was smart enough to realize that the wind was different it was two degrees Celsius hotter he knew that if he tries to power up he's GONNA kill everybody so we and we're gonNA blow the carport and they said don't carport will open it now so the door opens in the thumb comes out with glove that I recognized now I'm GonNa Point in life kind of football it doesn't matter why it second fifteen it is fucking get over it I don't know why am I guys are they're they're fucking there so we'll go through with it so we go through there I'm looking at Lonzo it's sticky on one side he blasted it and open but then there was a brick wall behind it and the breach tournament goes all failed breach is bad and I said no this is good it's a fake door no one that's a double door again but I know it opens because I've seen cards through it right so I give courtesy to dash one other helicopter because I assume they were doing racetrack hey zone drop everyone out snipers on the side we're GONNA put snipers out I'm going to go on top of this river GonNa jump in the third floor here's our catch him perfect plan and that's when Shit went sideways we started going in and I didn't know what Cering yet congress fast so as we're talking about this one of my snipers from my bird he's running around the entire thing with Cairo the dog and he gets to the famous they said to us was I heard them say dash one going around dash one going around meeting I thought they took fire because some guarding lodden dash one going around what they were saying and as we're standing there and I'm watching my guys I'm just proud of him because this house should have now but they don't care and they're not letting it affect their chip they're just slow is smooth smooth is me forty five minutes I thought I just lost thirty or forty friends and go oh my God what helicopter crashed and he goes dude our helicopter crashed in the front yard. You Walk right past it so it's not stairwell you're going to run into Khalid Bin Laden he's twenty years old he'll be arms bin Laden's son and if you can as him so we got to the stairwell everyone's inside I don't care why we're just here it's time to we're looking for third and five and then maybe we'll go forth so then I turn to the left we go into the house there was already some gunfire and my guys that killed some terrorist Assar doing it so I'm sitting there just kind of Shitty navy seal look I'll fucking cool I am grin and the guy next to me goes a helicopter crashed so I looked at him and I'm thinking about the helicopters that are there's I don't WanNa get off technically play call of duty sixty six is two more awesome giant Disney he went up with this huge bomb and he put it on this double door and watching my guys work there's some of the most impressive people in the world so we're going on this hallway I kind of bent into a room because you never wanNA stand in a hallway in a gunfight because I'll just shoot down the hallway where the tail of the bird one we blew up finally fell over when we blew it up he got there with the dog and he didn't know the crash either and he came over and said hey guys be on alert there definitely is this he's in there he's in there so then what is the fake door so so enough and there's a brick wall someone made a fake door which is basically like they wouldn't just put a fig and so my blue the door and the woman that found bin Laden whose real she found bin Laden said you're gonNA find a spot with a stairwell and when you get to that Ashwan going down dash one going okay so we can go the northeast corner we can put it so my breeder came up with a seven-foot charges see six now I'm assuming you've heard of c four what is it so it is yes I facing cowden freedom will be defended and that's when it hit me on the Holy Shit it's happening I'm on this sucking let's go and we're going to kill so they got chilled so bank one more turn to the he's looking up the stairs at I'm looking back I want for I'll take two but I got nothing to me this is the point man there's me and we're going to go up the stairs is it we're going to run into the suicide bombers but he's telling me we can beat them if we fucking go now we can beat them so I'm holding and I don't know if it was fair in me or whatever but he's we but I'm holding him and and the way we communicate he never looks back and I hold him so we're looking up there and he realizes these are probably the suicide bombers bin Laden's up there this there's a curtain above us and there's people moving so he assumes that the suicide bombers so I mean I want to more guys to more my guy so my his jobs point my job is to hold and I'm look like fuck it let's go so we went up the stairs he moved the curtain he jumped on the people he thought were suicide bombers how he does not have a medal of honor right now blows my mind but because he went this way I went that way there's a sound ready for us they have a training mockup of our super secret helicopter in the front yard while really and our boss comes over and goes no jackass that's ours because we talk but he started talking and said hey it doesn't always me those this guy and he goes amen we gotta go come on man we get we gotta go now we gotta go now and finally he's not goes out loud amen these bitches getting truculent and also and I remember I can close my eyes and see this I remember this being my last laugh history since Normandy says Gee I'm said there are looking up and there's two grown men now separated by ten inches in a banister and they want to murder each other and his darkens quiet it just looks horrible so I remember as pushing her on the bed Amal his wife his two year old son is standing there and as a father thinking to myself this poor nothing to do with this aw POPs him in the head and where are you guys back okay and he was completely within roles engagement so then we went up the stairs and then he turned into the guy from the second floor and he said no he laughed he goes now we find the computers like we do this every night hundreds of time and I said Yeah you're right I'm back holy Shit and he goes yeah you just killed Osama bin Laden went up and down and like there's a banister in between shit and I'm eight guys back and I'm so lucky that they crashed in the front yard and I landed out here because now I have a front row seat to like the coolest mission set the death was supposed to be dead and that's said what do we do now right now let's fuck and live so we gather all this stuff up some of my buddies put bin Laden body no it's right now it's quiet we're very good being eerily quiet it's just that's eerily for al Qaeda not for US 'cause that must have been really scary for those fuckers and I hope it Johnson right here he's this tall he's pushing his wife add me he's he's closer than we are right now and I remember looking at 'em thinking in an instant like he's skinnier than I thought he's talking I thought white robe beard is shorter life because I consider myself a funny person I remember thinking and I whispered to him I don't think that word means what you think and then it took a deep breath I thought about my daughters and it wasn't bravery pick him up I put them next to a mall and then another navy seals are now coming in the room and it Kinda hit me because we're supposed to die in this mission right I'm standing there and they're working in one of my boys came up to me and I'm like I should leave like grab some guys but I gotTa See Awesome Mike so I'm watching and all of a sudden appointment the guy in front just kind of said he said some but nobody like we're preparing to fight right so so that's the moment you're just like fuck he's definitely he's definitely here he's here so the carport is off to my right and back he's supposed to look forward I want to more guys before I give them a squeeze and that's when we go right so I'm holding them and I'm waiting and we'll get outta guys we don't have enough guys and right now gunfire Anniston and if we can live if we can live now for ninety minutes we've already said goodbye to our families already say goodbye to my daughter's if we can live ninety minutes we get fifty years killing in front of his bed I'm hearing and take his last breath I can hear him exhaling as he is tongue sticking out it's not a pretty picture people want the pictures release fine you don't need to know what justice looks he said Khalid come here come here Khalid in two different languages and he said an urge to and and Arabic it confused Khalidi Lean over said what and he as house thirty forty fifty sixty and then you're kind of thinking like this like watching a no hitter top of the fenway I'm not saying anything the same shit but sixty seventy eighty minutes turns into miracle on ice when the Americans beat the Russians Lake placid you can hear the crowd ten nine which I thought was awesome but now we're flying out which is where it's scary so yes here's so we're flying out it's a ninety minute flight to get from where we are to the border six shooter from Manhattan he's next to me and he goes who got him and I said I did and he's from Manhattan he said to me on behalf of my family thank you that's his nose I've seen him when he's a suicide bomber so I shine three times and I pulled his wife away from sort of telling a combat zone that she's not a threat that's happening but the best way to figure it out stop fucking talking chill out it's a push to talk not a push to think what the fuck gone so we figured out we finally get to the end of the hallway fuck fuck the sniper goes yeah that makes a lot more sense than the Shit I was just saying so these are the conversation we're having on the because everything's so chaotic we're trying to see watches resetting his helicopters ninety minutes what's what's going through your head often but it's been ten minutes wow that was twenty minutes thirty was made about the woman that found bin Laden and the movie is good I'll watch it when it's on but the ending sucked because some navy seals brought so he wanted to become so this pilot came over at eighty five minutes and all they said was all right gentlemen for the first time in your life you're going to be happy to hear this welcome to Afghanistan and so now we're in a helicopter flying out we got twenty new guys from seal team six I'm trying to imagine what just happened the guy next to me also name rob it's a hard life fucked up so while she was pitchy to get a parking spot we'll after it happened you had to admit I did meet Obama that was awesome because that was a that was your life changes get the fucking work Mike that's what I'd done fucking now but the thing about that was so we got them and the third for another third floor where Bin Laden is everyone in front of me split off because they want to clear the areas you don't want to go up before you clear everything and I turn to the number two man and so now I have a hand in his shoulder accuse themselves from dinner called in from his office and I remember thinking Holy Shit were finally coming back together as a country and I was wrong who was the first person you called after all this happened service aid because still fucked us up six and then pilots are the people in the world you get an airplane even turbulence Yeah Thirty Thousand Bullshit this pilot came over yeah I've never stayed that quiet and look out so many times chiefs that's a small group is we put him there I said Hey man here's your guy and he goes you kidding me I got no I'm serious was let's get the fuck out here so we split up one of the birds came in we put bin Laden that we got on this one the times where when he came in the room we just killed bin Laden and he came into the room we just heard him say hey everybody here's this awesome in like like it or not anything some cool to say and I thought this would have worked so we walked over to his body and I looked down and I thought this has been fucking cool said his that your guy and all she said was Kerr over to bin Laden's body at the end the movie and she started crying on emotional by the fuck that's not at all what happened all that happens we brought her over his body and I remember thinking okay he goes My nickname was in Israel Navy Seal Robin on Israel and he goes this is good and I said no what are we what do we do now if guys the smart people found and we just like you got to the point when they found a lot it's like well here's your here's and here's why isn't fucking just I'll go get him I just trust you the movies Ashok lying tour don't worry about Seal Training Nineteen ninety-six I'm here to do some special she came down on my first Silver Star reading which is the third highest award in the military and she heard the Chris Second of looking at it because I'm a fucking job left never saw her again how did they do it in the movie you can start worrying because that's special shed I'm supposed to do pretty sure it happened last night do you think we're the suicide bombers in that House that your guys yeah I got dumped by a girl at that I've been dating since high school and I decided to leave Montana Montana and if he would have moved who never would have found him again he got complaints Maytham it'd be not because of us oh it's because the counterintelligence because you heard about the dialysis bullshit living in caves which side of out of your on he he made the call he got advice from everybody we went in we all did this and it was like we killed bin Laden the first person President Obama call was President Bush and President Bush's I gather some Intel I was one of the four guys that carried him down we dropped here's cooler was we dropped him off outside to one of the snipers who initiated the fire to save Captain Richard Phillips data this woman found bin Laden and gave her life no husband no kids and this is historic in fact on the navy seal the needs some cool because I'm arrogant Blah Blah Blah but as we're walking call my mom when I got back mom you're going to be proud of Fuckin- Zach I told her when Seal Training Star before nine eleven Wasser we don't have at that Paul via Segue to ask some other wild questions so you go into the service because I went on an accident was it joined the Marine Corps against industry standards but whatever fuck it you say how many people you killed you know what I don't know how nick yield and cater years after the war I see all these instagram warriors who have these I like to kick doors and shoot people the fuck and face it's not the case because it's never that easy I have killed dues that were holding it's always funny because it is not because they were books that were coming out when seal team six we were killing is every night like we kill a lot of people and I and I'd be with the sniper on a rooftop and he'd blast I was stuff that our intelligence guys put out his counterintelligence because they would hear it and say all these Americans are so stupid they think he's in a cave here when we're on top you mess up a woman goes through your I bad that's a fair question but the kills they're not cool anymore and it's funny it's a fair question but it's it's funny but now so many unclassified version and like mom I'm sorry I'll never get another silver star Ken but you can stop worrying so we're not doing much I'm here to some special I called her after the Bin Laden raid as mom oh I got out of the navy at Seventeen Years News never supposed to happen that way you know enlisted for four and then method guys enlisted for four nine eleven happened heard about seal team six I stayed in cellphone she's GonNa find it or they talk it shaped by bringing it sided the what does that ninety nine so you can buy by Pakistan and we don't have above us but we know we're in a helicopter if they scrambled jets that we sold them they can shoot us down so we're sitting there no one's talk ought to I know there weren't or you guys just completely there were ambushed Kinda because he was complacent that's great was hiding in plain sight I think he was going to move in about two months think about a job and I was scared shitless I don't have a degree I don't know what I'm going to do but I sent a thirty year mortgage got three girls so I started applying for jobs but I learned though is employers don't really care about your education many kids you have to I have three three daughters yeah so obviously all this stuff happened right yeah what are you doing now what's what's what's going on now talking and then it'll kind of segue into hey I fucking killed like no well I will occasionally yeah cool if I think about not knowing Robert next to him and you're having you got a book I wrote a book called the operator it's a mindset I was never a tough guy joined by accident but I proved that I always tell people I could be on the cover of decent shape magazine but if women hostage and that's fine but now it's like you know shot him from four feet but but but again it's it's like I mean it's cool the time but now he yeah and you've told me the story where usually zapped while while while the best part of the story was when we got back though because I always said that we're not the the upped so you're going to go into the I was actually in college basketball I was playing in Montana tech which is good for a six foot tall white guy was guard the white guy from Butte Montana with without knowing how to swim can become a navy seal and bin Laden's bedroom doesn't matter what you look like what color your skin is you can do anything you want as long as you believe in yourself stop getting a journal and gunfights does like you know I wanna see my daughter's getting married so I timed to leave I did go back to war one more time because we lost so many guys I had a crude so much leave vacation time that I had like seven months they care about what attribute you can bring like problem solving that you can bring to his skill set the lead be led the mindset so I started my foundation called your grateful nation are you getting any because I see you always doing public speaking movie acting stuff or anything the TV stuff I'm getting in I'm going to do some work with great white sharks we haven't cast them yet but I'm assuming that at least fifteen feet long yeah oh I love it well I mean honestly it's the most compelling story of all time I'm kinda interested you had stated that one of the scariest thing got all these missions is because of a positive attitude we killed bin Laden in May of two thousand eleven I lost thirty one friends in August on helicopter and Oregon we transition to the private sitter Green Berets Rangers Navy Seals special operators so I do that right now it's very fulfilling so I'm doing that I just in public speaking has this transition been for you because I mean this is all you know this is everything incredible because everything from my wife company to different companies with the my word the generally you is retired from the navy and I'm an athlete and so the whole transition period afterwards it's frightening and that's why you start your foundation you're helping these through your own experiences how to do like Hey I just saw that book by so how do you confirm a kill and he was saying I don't fucking on like wall that's one you had to have known one though I don't know if it's essentially but I don't know one what's your coolest kill if you don't want to say but well that's the weirdest thing kill is oh I forgot about that one four behind it which explosives eight hundred ball-bearings this way you aiming towards the enemy when this blows up these things go about twenty seven thousand feet per second at the enemy so obviously you wanNA point at the say here's a problem how do we solve it I can get you these people and his men and women which I love because we transitioned special operators they just think of men we have women that do the same thing that they had to get through it the White House Barack Obama he said was single handedly responsible for saying we're going to do this for better for worse I'm signing off on it and I thought that was pretty cool man so way to go Obama obviously yeah Larne we thinking I mean just sitting here you can over it and what does it it's what's bothering now get over it got it set that simple I love it I get over these Hollywood good looks I got it yeah so's matters come to us and say here's a problem and it was never solved in the classroom and my people will do it you're one of the coolest guy next amazing friend I need to tell you the story behind you know what's funny the best story of the after that Bin Laden not even the last guy killed with five more gun casual or are you in the Captain Phillips Say Yeah I was uh who was he in why was he doing that and how do I know him you know you got to thinking about the mentality of it that is the coolest brags Everwood I'm always wondering is like when you go to bar right and they'll start to is completely fucking normal right Timmy Lauren you guys had obviously be mesmerized by that fucking store it's crazy what are your thoughts we thinking the negativity what made you different what was it from where you from you accomplish what was different and this is great advice for life I can get over it and I don't mean just that I can fuck and way don't point at yourself so to keep it simple we put on the front front toward enemy so that's how you handle your place in life how do you handle your problem of the couldn't put down I read it in two days perfect cool so the operator of obviously is t shirts front toward enemy if you want to buy that shirt and I think that's all a offer ten thousand followers pretty good right at timmy bounce back is his handle larence settlement your handles what at Husselmann at Elson if we had a follower who gets hired awful man kind of giving their families some closure so I mean that was just absolutely incredible fucking put three bullets had just standing over the body and just think of all the fuck people are affected you see all of her mouth wide open like just to hear that story firsthand is absolutely credible a lot of people have no idea about a lot of those pieces of information what's great about Robert is now he's telling the story the crazy thing is all the preparation that went into getting into that house zero dark thirty woman put together and then all of the red tape Zapped Cabinet Philip Morris zaps with Kevin Phillips after he's talking about it and it's giving a lot of people closure like New York when he was talking to a lot of the families of nine eleven for people to see his face associated with someone taking out this front toward enemy because we have an acronym called Kiss. Kiss keep it simple stupid there's a claymore mine it's concave convex based on where you're at and their c around the house God fucking nuts and then they just fucking bounce

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Episode 487: Best of SOFREP Radio with bin Laden shooter Rob O'Neill

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Episode 487: Best of SOFREP Radio with bin Laden shooter Rob O'Neill

"Is. It doesn't work. You're just not using enough. You're listening to so lady our special operations military meals on straight talk with the guys in the community Safra Radio Bill. On time on target I am going to make lightly. lowder's totally unprofessional here. It's been a while since we've had Robin Neil in studio studio I feel like this. Entire audience obviously knows you know introduction needed former seal team six DEB grew author of the operator and also the CO founder of your grateful nation which we can get into we should but it's been too long and we were saying that it's probably been like a year and something you're in Asia Asia. I think before we get into any big stuff. What like what have you been up to since people last heard you on the show people fire your social media but yeah just is a lot of traveling? I do a lot of appearances for my foundation. You're a grateful nation. We're getting bigger and we're transitioning a lot more special operators to the private sector which is our mission that we can get into later later so we do different different events here and there we get some upcoming stuff in in Boston and Charlotte and Nashville things like that and always looking for place to go just to introduce people to the to the a lot of a lot of the people that special operated rangers a lot of green berets guys. That have been doing the stuff behind the scenes. The the harder stuff than I ever did. And we're just getting them jobs in the private sector a lot of that. I do Public speaking with a group out of Washington. DC called leading authorities. Where I get into why we were successful? As a high performance team in the military and how the traits are applicable to normal life and how to be successful based based on like one meal at a time one day at a time when we call a good year and be good to each other things like that a lot of travel. I married a year and a half ago so grad thank you she's awesome. I'm wondering if that happened before the last time we talked before the last episode about just. Yeah yes we come like a social. She's as you but she's got a she's going to quit. She's very easy on the eyes and she'll just snap at people dig. She's fun to look fun to watch or do stuff and and so she's got a real job and I don't know what I do for a living so I saw. We're trying to spend all of our times doing stuff together when when she's not working in between that family stuff and trying to get some leisure and hearing their instrument busy. I mean it's funny to say that you don't have a real job if you're doing all these speaking engagements you're also promoting. It's fun though. It's it's getting in front of people and almost turned into a Adrenalin rush. That you kind of need out my best day is when I get off the stage after being in front of a big group just because being in in front of people and sharing stories and interacting as nice too. Because I get I gotTa talk to thousands of people personally a week face to face and it's nice and reassuring during to find out that the country is not as bad as a lot of people on the on the news on TV like to say it is and social media every social media. Worst some of the best advice half half the people if you want to have a positive day get out of bed. Don't check social media cell at least noon. I've I've been doing that smart. He turns the moment. You wake up after D- always just negative. It's always yeah. I went for a walk this morning and just try to always do drink a glass of water before the coffee and then get outside at the sun hit you walk for a little bit. Do something athletic. It's because the people on social media. Aren't you know it's like it's like being on television. You you might be talking talking to a few million people but you're talking to them one and twos in their living rooms so people on social media. They're hollering it. Is there yelling at their screen. Yeah they're not yelling at a real person and when you read the negative especially negative by yourself until you get used to it like that thick skin that's like this is almost entertaining because the deeper you get into the twitter's fair the funnier. The haters actually get. Yeah I mean the vicious but but very creative it's also all created. I think to be I mean not I think it is created a lot arctic addict. Oh Yeah Oh totally. Yeah well. That's everything from the algorithms decide because you bought this on Amazon that they're going to send you the the ads for this other stuff. That's going to be like right now. I'm getting all these ads for huge those hugely beanbag chairs because I want one shopping for them and now it's like all I see is his kick ass beanbag h-shares turns turned into beds. And it's all geared to to get you addicted and and and to hate yourself and you're like no longer A human being your just a consumer consume all associated interesting. Stay off that as long as you can get a workout in yeah. I agree with everything with a grain of salt like I said it's I mean so many people a week have yet to meet a hater. But they're all over the Internet. Never no never. I don't think anyone's face I mean I mean the Guy New Zealand the got the egg popped over his head. He deserve that was crazy in the face. He deserved that. That's that's talking talking shit. Yeah you can get punched in the face. Absolute people are less likely to talk shit when they can actually get punched in the face while said man before we get down pretty but before we get into any topics of substance here. I wanted to ask you about this. I did hear the original Howard Stern interviews. which was incredible Howard's I mean? I think everybody would agree. Who really you know is objective? Our it's like the best Howard is out there. Howard is the best interview in the world? Yeah I heard. He's getting caught by Joe Rogan European. I've not been on his show the differences though I feel like if you go on Howard near featured guest which human feel it's forty minutes or so and he really really gets into every sometimes rogin and I love wrote it. I can I listen to three hours of Alex Jones renting for example. Ah goes really long. I if you're listening to Alex Jones for how many hours will be Alex Jones. Granting rogan's podcast episode two to the three hours and at times. I'm like all right I tune out after a while it out. But I I love Rogan. Yeah I don't know how I think I mean obviously so experienced. He's been doing it forever. But with Howard Stern is I think he can prepare so in-depth so quickly I think that he. He obviously prepares for everything he does but then he takes the for me. It was like four or five songs. They were playing while he was kind of going through and he knew everything. He's a really smart guy. Really good guy and for for me it was the the first three or four minutes is is trying to get over being starstruck because you leave the green room. Take it right. And then you're just in Howard Sir Stearns Studio then the next show has to go holy Shit. It's it is. I've been listening to research before I was a seal and one of the first times I heard him was was was right when I was at my first. I ed buds so it's the first three minutes is starstruck the second two minutes are you're sitting on a couch. How much dried semen am I actually in writing? But then and he's getting to the interview he just he so good at getting you in the moment and then just hitting it with you know not a mud soccer like a really cool question that no one's ever asked yeah. I loved it. I had a blast. I'd go back anytime so I was Gonna ask you about that because I'm originally from here in New York Howard has always been a presence in New York. He's always been looked at as like this legendary radio uh-huh personality in New York. Yeah W. N. B. C. K.. Rock and everything so I was wondering as a guy in Montana. Might be the stereotype I have in my head but when you think of the people who hate Howard Stern. They tried to like ban him on his book is number one. I think of like those people in Montana are are a lot of those people who are unfamiliar. I'm familiar with him. And they see this man as the anti because we didn't get him in Montana. We didn't get a lot of things. When I left Montana it was it was January nineteen eighteen ninety six or the internet had barely been invented? And I'd heard of Howard. Stern didn't really get a chance to follow him. You can't constrain online. But when I got to buds someone was playing him. What Am I? Four roommates was playing him and I heard that voice kind of something. That is really good. Who isn't it like a tower? So when I said I listened to him before buds I mean like five minutes before bud started Howard was on it was really cool and then just to. You wouldn't like little things looking back. Life Life is just a blink of an eye. I'm listening to Howard Stern. An as an e two at buds and having my father is telling me keep journals because someday someone's going to read your book I'm never thinking I'm thinking who the fuck I don't WanNa read my book and I'd never in a million years. I'm going to be on that show. Yeah it's crazy if you think back in time everything you're planning for life is what's happening around you as you're planning waiting for something. Different never never seemed to work out the way it does but just weird weird how small world would it be fair to say you kind of become a regular there to you. Did the wrap Apapa shows several times. Because I've tunein and they're able to get in there once in a while when the invited me to be on the wrap up show which is really cool. Babu you guys worked at are awesome. My friend Tim Montana was on there and I went with him. And I've been there a few times just because I like to. I like to get in there and just kind of be there. 'cause if subsequent on especially especially on radio that's nonstop even like twenty four new psych. Whatever if you're there that they might invite you just talk for a few minutes and say anything serious you know it just? It's just it's fun to get on there and that's also the thing about working in that building is like you never know who's just so you know you're gonNA run into Iran. All the shows are right there and it's I mean how he's got his own spot but like everyone everyone's really cool studio hallways right there. The big thing with you take pictures kick us. I've never been to Howard spot so I I think that was part of his deal. I guess that part yeah. Yeah but he deserves it. And I mean you've done a ton of shows over there and then just media in general roll and I guess now you're getting time to do other things that are important as you said working with bats and the foundation. You're grateful nation that I started. I'm getting to spend more time with because I got out of the navy. Just under seventeen years didn't know what the Hell I was GonNa do scary for every veteran that gets out. Even if you're retired it's like okay. I'm I'm getting. What forty percent of my base pay but the mortgage is going to be do every year now so a lot of don't know what they're qualified for but it turns out to a qualified for a lot more than they realize and especially now a lot of employers? Would they don't WanNa hire a lot of people out of college because they have some worthless degrees based on on on on political correctness. Some nobody cares about like my radio is worth this somehow. I made it very few. You know welders out there. Yeah people with vocational technical skills or whatever. So when when veterans in your specially when you're here in New York I feel like in Montana. It's probably totally. It's a different. It's different uptick in a in a better way. You're going to do something that you can get a job right out of high school with and that's important because those skills are going away just like when employers we're talking we're talking major companies from every industry. They they would rather take someone with the skills of a special operator of ranger. You know that knows how to work as a team. Lead at a young age have been leading up until retirement or close to retirement and the loyalty that comes with it. Like I D- I don't care personally about myself. I care about the mission of the team. And that's what a lot of these people bring so I'm able to spend a lot more time explaining what you're grateful. Nation does to these industries and it's individualized so we'll we'll find out where the where the operator wants to work which city which industry and then we make the introduction and then we can do like a nine or ten or twelve month mentor ship and then they hire them to a major managerial level position where they're managing major PRODUC projects. So I'm able to do more of that now that it's slow it's slowed down a little little for me I've been able to. I'm jumping trying to get through every hoop right now. So it's still busy but I I actually hired a green beret colonel to run the Foundation Rob Carrillo because I just one of those typical navy seal things. I'll get out and sell sunglasses and I can run this company in Mobile. I was enlisted shooter. I might need a colonel. That run run this thing. which is Jackson Chew? It's humbling. He's a great guy so he's running it. And because of his connections we're getting a lot army guys out and again special operators right now but hopefully we can can expand to everybody. Anyone that wants I mean. We try to hook everyone up over specializing in special operators. Right now so it's your grateful. Nation DOT ORG if you want to check got it out and see what they're doing. I wanted to ask you about this. Although I have no idea what you're allowed to say everybody seen it on the news. The operator has been in picked up as a possible movie from Lorne Michaels Creator about Snell. I just want to hear that I cannot comment on. I'm on the Internet once in a while. Yeah I've seen the story I did get to watch a live. SNL from like the Green. Mary my wife and I did get to go down there. So I've met Lorne michaels and that that is cool. That's just a that's A. I mean if we can hosted when Natalie Portman Oh nice so if you can if you can if you can put aside your your politics and just enjoy like very talented writers and very talented actors put on a show Oh man. SNL Awesome. Why whatever happens with it? I mean I think people excited to watch it if that is in the future because the book was a huge success is still charting high on Amazon. And all that and you know he's changed a lot of people. Would it would be interesting to see what it would be a out because there's been so many movies already about some of the stuff some of the stuff my team did. I was wondering your opinion on that. Actually do you think it's gotten oversaturated to appoint because after a point where you've put out a book ran has put out a book. Marcus Cottrell and like all. These things were huge successes at a certain point. There's kind of like a drop off from there. I don't I don't know because there's so many different stories. Yeah I mentioned inch drill your that. There's people out there with a much more dangerous job than than than I had. And that's the truth like okay. We as Navy seals were hitting targets at night with night vision and on our terms. Think about the marines in Helmand province. That are walking through minefields. That legitimately have friends get shot and killed blown up. I mean those are stories every every every person has a story that I think people need to know for a number of reasons one because you gotta realize they're very small percentage of Americans and coalition forces over there doing a job that most people wouldn't do and it doesn't matter a lot of people that disagree with the weather's fine. They'll say that if you think you're fighting for freedom you're wrong. It's not necessarily the case because I do believe if we're over there fighting doesn't give them a time to rest recover and attack because they're not gonNA forget about like Bin Laden raid. There's more than twenty seven twenty eight different stories about that from the pilot the co-pilot to the flight crews the the the dog handler. You know the snipers that groundforce come out. Everybody tells their story because our our those guys interested in telling their story from what I think. They're coming around and we were working on a new exhibit in Lower Manhattan here at the nine eleven memorial. And it's going. It should come out in a few months. And it's going to be the It's about the hunt for bin Laden and it's it's hopefully going to be not just the team because there was so much more behind the scenes it wasn't just it was like look at me. I'm the guy that turned a corner because of the guy in front of me because of tactics invented by someone smarter than us. The pilots goddess right the Intel that founded the people that made the call up to President Obama even though a lot of listeners that President Obama gave the resort everyone in the three letter agencies. Everyone in the cabinet the people arguing between the three letter agencies and the White House the J. Sock mcraven Admiral mcraven. There's so much so much. I mean we're pretty happy. That George Washington and brought a biographer for with him when he crossed the Delaware. Sure I think the people in one hundred years would like to know how we found bin Laden and gone up and hopefully there's another exhibit how get Bin Laden here in the next year. You know what I was Gonna I was. He's GonNa Manage. It is a nice segue so next week on the show we have. Cj Ramon coming on. WHO's like a huge friend of the show Bass player for the ramones and so awesome? I've listened in ruins in the weight room today. So He's a former marine great dude and he actually Before he came on email the show because we did a QNA. Jack and I washed episode. That we don't want really well and he was like. Are we going to have to send Rob O.`Neil over there to take good done. No I'm good. I by the way the Bass player the Ramones is well. That's that's pretty cool No you will hear me joke about it on twitter but there are people there in each branch that are more capable than I would be at this point nice. Yeah but I mean if I could help I would not going over there though. But you've been following the story stories. I'm familiar with the story. I know what's happened there. I think al Qaeda is one of those things where they're in the marathon. They're in the long game and and they were probably happy with Isis because it gave them time to breathe even though the people over there in You know the the eastern part of Afghanistan. They're doing drone strikes are concentrating. We shift chef there. And there's there's thousands of al-Qaeda fighters out one hit us again and I'm in Ottawa. Harry who took over obviously for Osama bin Laden once once we got him he's just not dynamic and and he's not he's not even he's nothing to listen to and they don't take them serious he's he's a he's a doctor from Egypt Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Hamas got the name mm-hmm recognition. He's got the the reasons he chose. He lost his first brother. Ziad bin Laden was killed in the drone strike. And I WANNA two thousand nine. Obviously his brother Khalid bin Laden was killed about nine seconds before Father Osama bin Laden and he's got He's been he's been shaped for this and he's had the training meaning he was. He was raised by the Iranians. which is crazy to think about what the between the Sunni Shia thank? Yeah and now. He's he's about thirty I think. And he's at the point where he could be the face for another rise of al-Qaeda which they don't really do in front of us like Isis did and they're not huge into the beheading videos. There my saying is that Isis wants to stab you in the front and cut your head off on television and al Qaeda was we'll stabbing back in ten years Look at look at nineteen ninety-three they they. They hit the World Trade Center. They wanted to blow up into the other well. They didn't succeed but they didn't forget. And they came back in two thousand one and they're gonNA come back and that's what this kind of what they need. So fortunately we have men and women. Who are we're tracking him? And he's GonNa get cocky and stick his head out and then. I don't think it'll be a cross border type assault. I think it'll be a drone strike. Something like that. It's interesting I think you've kind of befriended people in the trump family. I just see from your social media and all that do you ever give them like your take on. What should be done foreign policy wise because it's been and especially a lot of changes we've spoken about on the show with mattis no longer in the creation who I think people saw as less interventionist Kinda guy as opposed to John Bolton Yeah? I've gotten to know them well. I met Donald Trump when he was before he was the president and president trump. Before it was a present isn't because I was working with a firm that represented a company that grooms women for Miss USA and is running so weird connection. Yeah so I got an opportunity to sort of host one of the smaller ones invited to the pageant and I met invited to like all. That's who you are and so I met trudging USA. Thematic shove I th. I didn't judge just one of the satellite sending being one of them to to to the Miss USA pageant but Donald Trump. When I first met him he came into the room and just typical donald trump south? Hey everybody it's Donald Trump one of the most important man in the room and he just goes one of the most so that was funny and I met him that way and I had met him a couple times and then when he initially decided to run for the presidency. He asked me to come endorse him. which is kind of a funny story because I was living in Dallas and Dallas is obviously an hour behind New York and Donald Trump doesn't drink and I do and so he called me at like six? Am His time on a Saturday. It was five and my time and I'm I'm in my time. Combat Surreal unreal though. He called like we had a big night in Dallas. So I'm I'm alone my I'm in my guest room by myself sleeping on top the covers when my phone rings I pick it up because hey donald trump. I'm like seriously fuck off and hung up because I didn't think it was real. I thought it was like my neighbor. Oh then he called back and he's like I want you the endorse me. I'm going to run for president. I I got nothing better to do. On Saturday I went up. When did you realize it was really on the second? The second call because he was pulling one of his classic moves where he's got the speaker phone out and he's got like three people in his office so they can hear who is calling. He doesn't what Tom Brady. All the time guys go to but so then I went up there and just check it out and I didn't officially endorsed him. Just because I I I I know you're going to say stuff I don't agree with and I don't want to be on that side of it but I've known him for a while I've been the White House dinner I he spoke at one of my wife's events and I talked to him there and then I know Donald trump junior well and yeah I mean I don't I don't per se give them foreign policy advice I mean I've you know they'll see what I see on twitter and I agree with him a lot and I disagree with them like the military parade thing I was I was big against against remember that you you don't need that that's not a good idea. And here's why and I would say but they don't really. I'm not the cabinet by any means fewer and I would think he would value the advice vice. Someone like you. Who's been there done? That who's lived the wife of an operator. I wonder how how many years is almost seventeen. Yeah I mean I would hope valuable opinion. It seems like once you get to a certain level of even officers especially at the general officer level when the between Oh six or seven and then I think that they stopped worrying thing about what the people on the ground and start worrying about politics. Yeah because there are a lot of people on the ground even junior officers. I don't mean even junior old three and four and then the e eighty nine th they don't they don't they. Don't listen to them anymore. Even though we could have won a lot of these things simply by listening to people on the ground we wouldn't be in the spot. We're in now in Afghanistan Aghanistan if we would have listened to what guys on the ground were saying in two thousand five. Just there was I had A. I had a navy seal admiral when I suggest something in a meeting. Say I said something about suicide bombers. He said there's no such thing as I eighty and suicide bombers in Afghanistan which was true then. But we're like we know that Sir but there will be. Yeah well they won't there will be but there won't be okay sir. There will be. Yeah and then look what we have now now now you get enough. High ranking officers politicians and lawyers was involved. You get a situation like Afghanistan. Okay what are we. What are we supposed to do now? You know what's interesting is that now we have people in a position of authority in Congress like Dan Crenshaw renshaw. You've seen I was wondering your take on on how he feels about foreign policy as well as yours. Because one thing I've learned from doing this show is that but not just the military but the special operations world in general is definitely not a monolith like when he was on with Jack Murphy and I they vehemently disagreed on foreign policy. You Know Jack. Jack is a guy who who says like are we going to be in these nations forever. You know and Dan Crunch on the show is saying look. We've been in Germany for how many years we've been in Japan. You know maybe we do have to have a long-term presence in Iraq and Afghanistan and these guys disagreed on that type of stuff I want do I yeah. I can't speak for either one of those two. I can see pretty much both sides but it's very different staying in Nazi Germany than it is in Afghanistan stand in Germany. It's almost like the German people knew what happened. And they they want to. They want to try to rebuild and help Afghanistan and we're we're now invaders and the ideology that we're fighting isn't going to be won by by Marines driving Humvees through the three highways in Afghanistan and I mean now we're trying to apparently make peace with the Taliban makes people say why did we even go in the first place. Yeah well I mean well. Yeah we look at John Walker. Lindh's getting out of prison in May. I'm just GONNA release him to Ireland like he's an American. Any City was associated with these shooting at those guys. You know damn well he was. He should have been executed years ago. Just just we. I think the only other than the city of New York the problem is people keep forgetting to never forget and negotiating with the talent. I mean that could have worked As soon as we crushed al Qaeda and soon as they went to Pakistan could've worked. Yeah it's it's the same thing with the bath party in Iraq. What do you do when you find Saddam Hussein out of? They're out of there but they're hidden. Now you keep the military place. Let them run their thing and then we'll find them eventually. The Taliban the Taliban first of all if they thought we were serious they would have given us bin Laden. They don't want any. They don't want anyone any foreigners including al-Qaeda in in there now we are going to renegotiate and they're gonNa do the same stuff. They did when when the Soviets left you know. They're going to tell the people they're back they're gonNA live on her light Sharia whatever and then as soon as you start to turn the screws again. The trumps will come back again but so we stay there. I mean what are we going to just keep building schools. Get blown up by them. Keep getting people killed for no reason and having people on the ground just say do the do the minimum. You can't make sure you and your friends get home. There's nothing there's nothing there I mean what I what I think. We should do in Afghanistan as you keep presence in volume at the airfield. So it's almost like a carrier but you know you have the pilots there. If and when training camps get rebuilt you bomb them and then you can have the pilot seven green bean coffee in a few hours. Anyway keep keep the skeletal government in in Kabul with some diplomats security force and then probably stuff in places like Jalalabad for the cross-border operation when you hit the drone strikes for senior senior-level al Qaeda guys and if you've never been in Jalalabad I have not vase. They have over there. It's like going to a European resort. I I've heard that show. Oh yeah actually actually Sean Cornell yes talking all about that on the show yeah. It's pretty impressive. Thing about how he was just saying that you know being a guy on the ground doing the work then going back there. It's unbelievable where a personal showers Your personal room. They got a bar of the dance floor on some of its. Yeah Learning Sean. Parnell on the PODCAST. Yeah you could get a full wax. And he was like a guy who was serving with said. I'M GONNA get waxed and it's just a funny story. That is really funny. And Sean Parnell was like why and then he was just thinking. This is like we're in the middle of Supposedly in a combat and this guy wants to get his Dick Waxed that. That's pretty funny any any any story with a full waxes and I don't really care what part of the world you guys. It's Oh Yeah Sean. It's got a great book to Yes. Allah allo outlaw platoon right. Yes he's got another one. Okay okay. I thought military guys didn't write books I'd be I'd I gotTa Lotta Shit for that. Yup I'm talking about the same. I'm the only one who's ever written in a book according to Brandon guys who gave him shit for writing a book. Yes yes of course will. Why guys who gave me Shit? They get underway. How do I get on Speaker Circuit? Wait a window I start. How much pay type Shit? It's like. Oh we're good now and it's the bubble it's the it's the bubble of being in the teams James being in the military. Where you'RE I? I explained to people when you're in high school and that girl breaks your heart high school the most important thing in your life. It's the most important thing in your life until it ends and then it ends or go to college. College is the most important thing in your life. Nothing like immense and so with the Navy joined the navy. You're in the teams you're here. You're it's the greatest eminence and as soon as you leave. The Navy does not care about you and they're not paying the bills and that's the realization. The bubbles air along with the Brotherhood. All that good stuff but your mortgage is due again. Yeah Yeah I was. I loved itself. People tell me about the silent professional the day after your first mortgage payment after you got out of the military since we're talking about this brand and actually he wanted me to bring it up with you and it was something he wanted to get in with you. But as you know brandon important traveling everywhere he was saying you know and you've heard them talk about despite these guys on twitter and instagram. Like attack other guys in the community. We all know about Brandon's kind of feud with Chris Osborne and that type of thing and he just feels feels like it's a bad look for the community setting a bad example and just wanted to get your take on that well my take is first of all. What is it what what does it? What are you getting out of it? Other than if if you're attacking someone else. What are you getting out of nothing? And you're spreading negatively and again being the bubble you gotta realize when you get to a public a platform. It's not just your guys watching you. It's not just other navy seals or other other Green Berets worlds here. There's there's a lot of potential so it could affect recruiting. There's there's fourteen year old boys out there watching this and they they they want to see something the not that they want to. But this should be seeing something else not this petty whatever it is it I don't I mean I I I try not to engage in it a couple of cocktails. I'm apple some people put there but there's no reason to eat your own. I don't I don't think successful people want to see other people succeed and I think part of the problem is Some people must be upset with decisions they made in the past and they're taking out on other people or something like that but I see no need for jealousy jealousy just a weird reflection on yourself and we know when I see people succeed. It's great yeah good for you for sure. Because you're you're a guy who has succeeded so oh because of other guys and that. Was it a position where I could go. This way learned it. I would go to seal team six every day and work with people who were better than me and instead of being jealous and trying to undermine them what habits is that guy doing. Why is he so good at this? How was it getting into the draw so quick? Why is he moved into the house? So smooth what can I do to. I want to beat him. Yes but I'm not going to undermine I'm not gonNA try to drag them down to my level. I'm trying to get up to his for sure I wanted to ask you as well at Kristin Beck in. Here's and asked her about it. I I don't know if you know Jake Swag is also former. I'm familiar with Jake and I think I met him twice when he was a teammate. I think cool. Yeah Great Guy I ask him his take. He's a he's a tough guy I I I haven't ever seen I've heard stories and I've seen him physically sees it. He's pretty impressive about the top shot stuff. No like allegedly from what I heard he had a really bad image on top showed like the villain of that show but from what I heard. Actually a you know behind the scenes stuff is that Jake was winning every single contest and they were like we can have this guy winning everything and they were giving him guns. That don't work and he's this. What assholes not him? Sorry yeah so anyway back to what I was asking that. I'm your pretty crazy story but Yeah so I asked Jake is Kristin wanted to get your take as well. Aw on what's happening with Chief Eddie Gallagher. And there's been a lot of different sides to this. I think because the guy's accusing Chief Eddie Gallagher of war crimes are are also seals and there's been questioning what's the motive and also it. What did he do? I would question the motive I I I was not there for any of this. And I've never met Chief Gallagher. If we're at a position where our own guys in a combat zone turning in their guys. That's a sad state of affairs. Bears right there. That's that's something that should be handled internally and then the leadership inside of there should handle it some of the accusations. I've heard that he was randomly family shooting people all the time and he was upsetting his junior guys. I've been a combat. You're not allowed to randomly shoot civilians anywhere. You can't just get away with it. That's not going to happen. Yeah I mean it won't happen just based on based on all the technology that we have heard that he was running his guys too hard and something something like that and then there's all these rumors. I hate the rumors because you don't know what's true. There was the rumors on social media them with a decapitated head. Which I'm pretty sure by now we would have seen right? It's not I haven't seen it but they're saying that stuff and then and then with NCIS is all over him and the biggest problem with NCIS is they made it really good show about NCIS. So they think they're cool and they're and they're they're they're they're out. I can't even talk about them. I don't want anything on the record. They're they're pretty much disgusting. They're trying they're trying to convict her own guys so he's got a problem with NCIS. And I guess again rumor. I don't WanNA start anything. They they were afraid rate of retribution. From him so they locked him and he's been how's he been locked up seven months now. I A lot and so it'll be. It'll be over over half a year when he gets his first day in court that he's been locked walked up in in general population convicted sex offenders. And I'm not saying he's in danger of that but like these are horrible people and they got chief gallagher who I consider. Ah A hero at at at at at the least and a defender of of not only these guys but of our country and now he's he's being treated like a criminal evenly hasn't had his day in court yet. It's a shame he should be with his family. Look what they're doing to his family the raid on the House to get him out or pulling the kids out just horrible stuff. They're doing he should. At least he's I mean if anything should be house arrest or something. He's he's in a brigadier in Miramar. I knew more about it right now. But it's just I don't know I hear you and it's something we've discussed on the podcast broadcast at length. Jack Murphy. Though is talked about it's been written about it. You know the news rupp Dot Com and the thing that Jack said to jake and they seem to be someone opposing sides on this was. Let's say these accusations are true that he's murdering children with hatchets. And and this type of thing that was mentioned is this who we are and and should you not out guys for doing that type of thing and Jake talked about the savagery. That isis is done of murdering pilots in cages. But Jack's rebuttal to that on the show that we did with and was. Are we just going to be doing. But it's one thing to be murdering kids with hatchets. It's another thing to be accused used of murdering kids with hatchets. Getting it's getting there is no proof of any of this and I'm serious when I say that. If you're doing this someone's someone's GonNa say something and you're going to stop reading it pulled off the battlefield. So why do you think these seals came out and did this I. I don't I can't even speculate I. They obviously have a bone to pick and you know again. I hate the rumors having been places where people weren't but they may judgment it kind of makes me hesitant is set to say anything but it just sounds like a of a write up a rivalry but just a they don't like them and I've heard whisper campaigns and crap like I don't know I wish I was. I wish you would get a quicker. Dan Court with evidence. Because it's not regardless. It's a shame what's happening right now. Yeah I don't like it. We'll see what happens I do see both with sides on on some level the thing that's interesting though is like I said the two guys two guys right accusing him of. I don't even know that I can look look. Yeah where we can both check out but yeah when I when I just see that these guys are former seals. You know it's not like it's top level of the military going. After seals it seals going after fellow. See and you can't do that. I mean you gotta you gotTa maintain the trust especially in a combat zone. They shouldn't be doing that so I was wondering some other stuff that we could hit on here. Oh you know you brought up before Tim Montana. Yes you are in his video for the one that which would we filmed a video. A couple years ago that you need to check out on Youtube called Hillbilly Rich. Yes which hi time you were here we talked. I think he'll bill. You're rich is I think it's his best song. It's definitely his best video. That's outright this year. Because 'cause I know a lot of stuff going on Rolls Royce Tampa Bay Buccaneers Cheerleaders Mansions helicopters very fun. And and you get fast food right. Two guys from Montana if you steal a Rolls Royce. WRAITH YOU'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA go to check a burger right off the Bat Shankar's accuracy great nice plug by the way. I like to if you're listening. So then he just in our hometown of butte Montana with a bunch of locals. It's total blue-collar collar song. We feature first responders cost firefighters miners welders. My father's in it. He made a cameo form on my behalf. He's holding my my red buds helmet for third phase. And that's called American threat and that's just becoming a kind of slowly. I think it got top twenty on dunes and so American threats out there right now checking out great song and then we just finished filming one in Nashville Actually Charlie Sheen directed which is cool and and that was called mostly stoned. How did that happen? How did the Charlie Sheen? And how do you get in touch with. I introduced Charlie and Tim maybe a year ago and I met. I met Charlie through my father because a something with a jail apparel stuff. Okay Charlie's gotTa have him with fog if you're watching jail. Apparently apparently it's one of those Robert Jail Neil dot com. Also there's also personalized signed bookstore. So we'll we'll send you one today. Yeah Somehow Charlie and I got interest through that and then he invited me to dinner at his house. That's been a few days. Yeah it's cool. And then he's he. He came here he brought me to. He did a show with Andy Cohen. Going for something. We went to dinner here. Ankle Jack's daycare. I'm dropping some names. So we're doing all that and I tell you what you haven't really seen Paparazzi till you hang out with Charlie Sheen in New York pretty funny. It's funny because we're inside. SIP and Scotch having red wine and I don't assume get walking onto sunlight just stuff everywhere and to be fair. It's also because of who you are. I don't know the charlet straws got bigger following of course but it's also just a weird meeting between Charlie Sheen she you and your background. It's it is weird and he's funny. He causes some cosmic collection of well. However Charlie talks type so I introduced? I introduced I. I sent Charlie the video hillbilly rich and he he just called. What did he call it? A what did he call that something classic aspect but it was. It was a lot cooler than what I'm what I'm saying but a cold cold heart. Classic tweeted that out I introduced them to their and they decided that he wanted to direct a music video. So Charlie flew to Nashville. And the song's called mostly stoned and it's being released on four twenty which is appropriate. I think and it's just a really And I've seen the video. It's not released yet. But the whole thing he charlie just a really talented guy and he's got some great vision and just the whole video is is a it's excellent. It's good so I was on a krispies in it would fall him on Insta- and then timmy. Obviously and he actually brought out the the The Red Convertible from the movie navy seals as surprised to Tim and Montana. Place at 'em stoned and so that's in in the video to its. Where were you a fan of The navy seal. Oh Yeah Oh yeah. I saw it as soon as it came out. It's so crazy because I feel like every seal comes on. The show is like a fan of movies. Also Drago has said that the reason he was navy navy seals the bar and Virginia beach called the ready room. And it's less than a mile from where I lived in Virginia Beach. That's that's in the movie. Navy seals okay. So I was boy that was one thousand nine thousand nine hundred ninety so I'm what fifteen years his old watching a movie with my future friend in a bar that I will hang out in. It's one of those crazy. Small World Full Circle type things. Yes so I liked the movie. I wasn't going to join but I did like like the movie I saw was thought it was cool. I didn't decide for another five years after that movie came out that I was going to. That's that's crazy. Yeah but you know I feel like the consensus has always been the movie's really cheesy but at the same time I loved it cheesy. That's supposed to be it's awesome but the guy that's the did the jump off the bridge and the movie Navy Seals. He was out there with us. That's true that's been Charlie's stuntman for his the whole time. I'm excited for top gun two when that comes out how it is. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Obviously it could be terrible. It's going to go one or two super troopers. was I liked it okay. I was worried about that. So I mean you know they were GonNa make forrest gump sequel. I I did not. That's a true story. They I think they handed in the script on September tenth. Two Thousand and one and obviously the next ext day and they decided that. This movie doesn't matter anymore. I I'm not making that up I would think the The appeal to of a top gun to is like we because I know top gun was like a military recruitment tool wells novel. And all the movies coming out now. Unfortunately because we've been at war for so many years they're like these very tragic stories of aw guys like why why. Why am I drawing a blank here? Chris Kyle Chris Kyle. Sorry it's okay. How am I drunk? Blanca Chris I rejoice that yeah no so you know the stories of Chris Kyle stories of Marcus Latrell. These are really crazy story to in Chris. Kyle's case tragic stories and I feel like top gun was just a fun movie. Top tool. Well you need that for this even the bad guys in top gun. They had the dark mass. We don't know what country they're from could be. China could be Russia. Could be whatever Syria who knows what it was but now I mean I'm assuming top has got to be something like carrier Guys uh-huh hitting targets in Afghanistan. Something like that's going to be interesting to see. I feel old now. They could never been there. They'll figure it out. Yeah we were. We were actually at the ready room. It this is another. I just thought the top gun. Another funny asteroid is the ready room is right by dam neck but damn nick annex of oceanic which is a master jet base which is where they are fifteen are so we're at the ready room and there was some pilots in there. And you know young cocky pilots. Those young cocky Navy seals talking to each other and they said we're talking about something about the coolest job in the navy and one of the one of my buddies said the pilot he said you know damn well there are no. They're no. Tom Cruise is in the navy. But we got plenty plenty chill is she. That was Kinda funny man. Oh that's a good one. Yeah I just thought of that. I wanted to ask you before we wrap up. Because you're another guy like me who's news and I know from reading your book into meddle into hip hop. I all all instagram. That you'll be wearing like an onyx. Sooty Oh yeah you love like the nineties hip hop I got I got at the ONYX. Hoodie from onyx. Based on post in my tank shirt do they saw. I'm like does it. Work does influencing social media. She could work at so. There's a great story. So here's what I was GonNa ask you for me. I mean I'm I'm thirty two years old so I'm younger than you but I still was around when like that. Nineties hip hop was a big thing. I got into music very young young. I grew up in on Long Island Ranier queens and it was like you couldn't go anywhere. Without here you know cannabis sallow cool. J Wu Tang clan onyx onyx like I could go on the West Kool g rap GNAWS for you growing up in Montana was a like a weird thing to be into. No no because I so we're talking early nineties. Ninety one hundred twenty three We I was. I played basketball and I hung out with the basketball crowd. And even though we're all white guys I was GonNa ask you are there. Black is obviously mostly mostly white bumps because we played basketball. And because we were watching like the Pistons the Bulls. It was okay for us to listen to hip hop so I remember when When snoop came out with and so we know that a lot of ice cubes midnight? Ice Tea so's okay for us. Because we didn't we didn't know what fuck endorse we were. But that's how I and I I I remember. I actually went back to the House I grew up in maybe a month ago to the hoop I used to shoot on. I remember listening to to Onyx out there with my shitty little headphones before like a Walkman and so it's just it's funny. Yeah but I love all of it. Everything from from on one end. You got sticky sticky fingers and Tim Montana over here. You Got Metallica's been around forever. I'm a big demon hunter fantasy. There's nice just just don't don't limit yourself off the thing I love about it. It's okay for listening. I agree. Of course I feel like in New York. It's like a given. That's okay I think the rest of the country it's I dunno L. But on the thing I love about Onyx is like when I'm lifting when I'm working out I'm listening to mostly metal to me onyx is comparable to that in its heaviness. It sucked tuck angry. Music like the way. Stick your star. Wraps it's just. He's been angry forever. I do not see you know who's still around that follow on on. INSTAGRAM is a Cypress Hill. And they're still crushing amazing. Yeah no you know what I was going to tell you. I sit on that lead singers wider black. I think he might be mixed. Be Real. Yeah I think because I was saying nowadays the stuff he was saying some of the words he was using in the nineties is it's still cool for him and say white though I think he's I think he's mixed or he's good he's good But it was funny because we're talking about music. I was going to tell you if you look behind here. Which is where you signed and you sign right over there? Where the guys that never quit so a lot a lot more guys have signed? Since you've been here I had my friend Sean. The butcher who's Dj on Sirius Xm liquid metal. Sign that you've shown the butcher I oh yeah the only easy day yesterday day and he's asking me about all these signatures like who's that. Oh that's Scott Kelly arm we're tired. US astronaut spent the most days in space. Oh that's that's Rowan bin Laden on shooter. And then he looks at himself gotTa fucking suck so it was fun having him in. I had him on with Pat McNamara and we just talked about all because pat. That is like you'll ever meet. I was GONNA ask you a few random questions I actually wrote down here in. Music will do one metal and one hip hip hop one. And then we'll wrap up here but two PAC or biggie. That is a tough one right. Yeah right now. It's biggie. Okay but a year ago it would have been too 'cause I go back and forth. That's a tough one. It's crazy to think how young they were to go. I'm going to be okay and the full discography like that. They put out You know I mean I think twenty four is just crazy to me the amount of music they put out at that young age. Yeah Yeah and then of the big. Four Metallica I swear megadeath anthrax. Who'd you talk okay? I agree with you on that one. Because I feel like METALLICA. I love a lot of swear stuff. A lot of megadeath stuff but METALLICA. Probably we has like the best catalog. Yeah well they do they do and again you got to keep politics out of everything but yeah they just the longevity. They're all they're all around. I have an awesome awesome picture of to just totally namedrop of my mom. We were backstage at a Jim Jefferies concert. Okay my mom Jim Jefferies. Yeah this committee and the lead singer Slater Nice. Yeah that was pretty Mariah the league. Sorry Oh Kerry King yes all due. Ah Sorry about that retiring I think then forever. They're still like doing a few more shows. This long retirement tour and then they're done supposedly kiss. This is retiring. Just said they were retiring. I am I'm actually going tomorrow and the The embarrassing thing though is and watching like do Paul Stanley's up their lip singing and it looks like yeah dude. It's very obvious. Well they've been since its head to see though man like I understand a little backing track year there the whole thing like I I want to. So there's no way he still has that voice though. Yeah no he doesn't and gene. Simmons is still fine. Yeah I mean I. It's kind of weird that this is how they're going out. I mean I know they've been banned since the seventies but it's like now aged gene still saying gene sound. Great still sounds good The band is as a whole but Paul Stanley is lost his voice and personally I'd rather see him like struggled through these just this try to get it out. Yeah you know like I'm a huge motley crue fan excited sided. See the dirt coming out. But Yeah Vince Neal. He's voices not what. That's a documentary right. No Louis a movie. Because I know the book cookbooks. Incredible book incredible. I'm like almost getting goosebumps. Like how how are you still alive. It's like that old saying it's like we got to start thinking about not not with my crew but we've got to start thinking about what kind of a world we're GONNA leave behind Keith Richards. He's going to outlive all of us and he's still having kids get out recently. Either him or Mick Jagger had another other came at Jagger love on Nikki six just had another kid so yeah. I actually other than Tim Montana. What have you been listening to any new stuff or news now not really anything new I. I'm a big event. Seven full fan. Okay I like I like a lot of this anything new. That's on my. I've been like shamming stuff stuff. So I'm finding like random stuff here and there and it's everything from hip hop to know when I left like no no. I'm listening to podcasts. And books and stuff just just. I can't when I lift but I listened when I left I can and then when I do cardio I'll watch I'll watch. TV shows like okay or AP bio a new one or obviously always sunny and Philadelphia. Because I like I like to laugh and almost fall off the treadmill. I've done it before. I've fallen off the fallen laughing. And it the busiest time in the gym him and everyone in the gym Kinda the whole everyone saw by no one and then like the little lady. That works came up with a cold. Tally will this help. So you thought thought that's great. Yeah just leave mid workout. Yeah no for me. It's a lot of metal hip hop although I can't get into this new. I feel like an old man but this new trap trap music. That all sounds the same. It's the exact same note is this. I don't know maybe I'm getting old you are. It's tough but that's what's happening. Yeah Hi this is all like Takashi sixty nine and all that I'm just I listened to it and I'm just like it sounds so how could you even compare this to Tang clan or gnaws amazing lyricism awesome. You know no can't we are getting old. It's almost like she turned that down. Get off my lawn but before we wrap things up. It's been an awesome discussion. I always like to let you guys know about what we have going here at hurricane be sure to check out crate club. 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Good I didn't know that it's there a doctor and that's what I don't know where I found it but I was a I was at home one day like in a good mood so I decided to see if I could stomach it. IT IS A. It's a check it out. I don't know what the documentary. I'm sure if you just look up eagles yeah. They're they're obviously really scarred. And for those not in the know. Oh 'cause I I am familiar with them. Despite the name yacht. Not a death metal band no no no Derek. Kick their one of the best live shows. I I got to see him. I'm GonNa find people assumed. The Eagles is a death metal band playing Peres but they are a blast.

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SPECIAL ELECTION DAY EDITION with Investigative Journalist Anna Khait | Trump Vs Joe Biden | Why You Are a Casting Vote for Christ or Against Christ

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SPECIAL ELECTION DAY EDITION with Investigative Journalist Anna Khait | Trump Vs Joe Biden | Why You Are a Casting Vote for Christ or Against Christ

"Aaron antennas today is election day. Many people from coast to coast. This is the day where we go into the booth voter booth and we exercise our american rights to choose. Who's going to lead our nation. But i don't think we've ever had a time in american history where two candidates have had to completely different visions for our country. One could argue that you know bill. Clinton had similar similar agenda to george w bush or one could argue about different candidates republican democrats shades of the same vision that kind of thing degrees of the same vision but right now joe biden is pro choice. He's pro baby murderer. yes and president. Donald j trump is pro-life pro defending the life of the unborn truth. Upper joe biden is in favor of defunding. The police crazy president trump is in favor of actually putting more funding into the police. This is an epic battle. And i want everybody to know the truth before they hop inside that booth on today's interview with the incredible anna kate. I wanna stopped music for a second. Make sure everybody gets this idea. This is probably the most important show. We've ever done a have to agree in anything she says on today's show journalist who's broken some his. She's been breaking may major stories that are waking up some of the world's biggest influencers who were previously unaware of the truth before she shared it with. Ah folks i just wanna make sure you aaron. A lot of people follow people on twitter that they admire or they can go to find truth. Can i read off just a few of the people that follow anna. Kate on twitter one would be melissa tate. That would be the right. Melissa this would be Pastor daryll scott dr cordy williams kimberly classic running running for office. They're in baltimore. Every miller video jennifer franko from one american news show from the blaze. Buck sexton charlie kirk ladies and gentlemen turning point general. Flynn aright eric trump to finish desouza james. Woods chad prater. Prager you paula white. The president's a pastor they all follow her hong fitting the outspoken christian pastor. Love this guy. Patrick greg lock unbelievable awesome guy. I'd james o'keefe i'm from the project veritas. I mean we're talking about the who's who of christian conservative thought chooses to follow this woman on twitter and look to her as a source of truth and wisdom and i think everybody needs to take notes wrestle with all the information on today's show because i i believe in correct me if i'm wrong. I believe this is the most important show we've ever recorded. Yes to get the truth before you go in the booth. I love and i'll say this too. There was some adversity. He know it was like almost like around like under like a spiritual attack on today's show where we never have really zoo. Connections are issues with zoom connection and we just kept having zoom connection issues We kept having all sorts. We had i think redo the call maybe two or three times to put together. Today's show so folks. Please push through the pain of the starting stop nature of of some of the topics and please click on every link on today's show notes in please don't don't don't just blindly. Trust what she says or what. I'm saying verify each and every word of knowledge that presents on today's show because if what she is saying is true we all have to go into that voting booth and vote for president donald j trump yeah and now without any further do our interview with the investigative journalist anna kate three to one boom. You are now entering the dojo of mojo and drive time. Show time show on the microphone. What is this top of the charts in the category of business dent business topics. Did this internship like the past the pin pad to the lab. Stop the best but some three to business name. Oh well when we when you start a show to megaphone. That's that's a high mark. I can tell you're excited. I know why there are certain moments in life that the subtlety of a megaphone is what you need what you need someone today. Show introducing great reporter a woman who was actually an ex pro poker player. She's a conservative. she's an animal lover. She was on survivor. I believe season thirty two. She's sort of a big deal. She is a woman who is at a sold out believer of jesus. Christ anna wilkins. Onto the thrive time show. How are you great under. Stop at five the one god bless everyone. It's a blessing to be here. I want to ask you this. Because i wanna start with a tough questions. People look you up online. They see it from twitter all the time. What's the proper pronunciation of your last name. I don't. I don't want to lose anybody right. There's you get off on. The united maters of debate going on how controversial indian leg wrestle open earlier. It's very simple. It's anna kate like mary. Kate anakena my last name is actually jewish. And i'm i'm half jewish half half russia and born again believer in beside jesus which is also jewish. Let let's do this. I'm going to do is i am going to. It's going to be like a town hall vibe z. We're going to be going ninety miles an hour asking some tough questions tough. We've got a guy in the in the booth here. He's a dog. Training franchise owner ryan. Wimpy we've got a pastor pastor. Craig hagan from raimo church. We've got aaron antitheses a homebuilder. We've got a doctor z. And i were just gonna fire off some questions get after. So every first question anna. What is going on with hunter. Biden's laptop what is in hunter biden's laptop and. Why do americans need to know about it. Well i haven't seen it personally. But i have some friends who have and there's a lot of things and there's a lot of connections to you know Pedophilia in some really nasty stuff. But when it comes down to is that a lot of congress and a lot of people in power easily swayed and extorted and blackmailed if there are this garbage out there if our enemies have possessed this this content so You know. I have seen the whole laptop and to be honest with you haven't followed the last two days. I've been traveling. But from what i saw as ago. There is a lot of stuff that way make should make our potential president joe biden. Which won't happen pretty uncomfortable. And i think that it's swaying the election over to trump regardless even before the hundred might not think that. I don't think we really want to see what's on there. I think it's that bad do this. Can i do this. I would like to say either. Most of all over listeners are smart people but you know me. I'm kind of shallow manhatttan dumfries sitting next to and on behalf of myself and anybody. Who's not our listener. But their friends. Maybe not understanding what you mean when you say black male just break it down. How does it. how does the blackmail. How would black loudwar matters at work. And how are you talking about. How does that work. Well peter schweitzer has a really good book on it. It's called extortion and extortion is when and blackmail is when. There's something really bad that you don't want the world to know you don't want the public to know your enemy possesses. It hasn't been his hands. He can blackmail you ransom weather money whether it be iran nuclear deal or whether it be you know Don't see this or vote for this so it can be extorted information you don't want to go. Public can be extorted for favors or money or for trade deals now. Doctors owner joe biden has repeatedly that he has no involvement in his sons business dealings correct although he and his son road together on air force to i guess in vacate in silence at no point. Did they talk erin. Just drove to We flew to nashville to meet with the great roger. Stone turbulence were bad. It was horrible. But i mean at any point if you and i were traveling together to china would you look over to me look over at me and say hey. Why are we going. You mean at some point. Would you ask that question at some point during the thirty two hour flight. It would probably come up. I mean would you ask that question that might. I don't know there's lots of movie choices. I'm sure on your to with somebody to china and never asked him why you're going there or ukraine or kazhakstan I would wonder why am going there. And i would wonder why being put an aboard in ukraine where i have no energy and on the ball. I will what one i'm not being told. And that's something that tone in and what are we doing here. Exactly and his conscience spoke loudly to him to come out public about it and pray scott. He did because can you imagine. I can't even imagine being on air force one and not wondering why in the world am. I going to china your crane. We doing there. Why are we selling out our country. And why are we selling out our pimping out our father for money crazy. No hunter biden's we've talked about hundred biden the laptop and now this is a story you broke this and it was a story where you were sharing. Why joe biden. In hillary clinton chose to protect osama bin laden and why they had to pay iran hundred and fifty two billion dollars to keep that a secret. Can you please explain this for our listeners. Out there just again. I'm assuming that most of our listeners are not super politically involved but this show is going to air tomorrow. It's going to be the election day. Show and i want all the listeners. To know joe biden. Hillary clinton why they were protecting osama bin laden and why they were paying iran one hundred and fifty two billion dollars to keep it a secret. We'll even those that are not politically. Savvy are probably aware of the fact that the obama administration the obama joe biden administration are one of the most corrupt administrations. We've never had in this country. I was fortunate enough a few weeks ago. I was invited to speak on faith at the american priority conference in florida a few weeks ago. And one of the last presentations was about this whistle blower from benghazi. His name is nick no and he was giving a presentation with charles charles. Who's the father of tie woods. Who was killed in. Benghazi was a sniper on the roof. That was killed. And they have connected with a another whistle blower allen perot who has a lot of credibility. He's he's got two high ranking generals behind him who have have authenticated his credibility. He has a documentary called cocaine from ten years ago where he is involved in the middle east he's a falcon trainer and he had was privy to some of the most I should say royalty in the middle east. He's been training. Saudi princesses princess kings and princes with falcon training. It's a big art and it's a big business in the middle east and a lot of terrorists unfortunately have also taken advantage of the trade so long story short Would they gave us presentation. Allen released this information about listen. He's like i have the goods. I have terabytes of information documents. Audio phone calls that crew. Without a doubt that the bush administration and the obama administration knew where osama bin laden was hiding and that was in iran and assess allegedly in his claims that he has to hugh released a little bit of evidence through me but there is way more he's sitting on. It's gonna prove the rest of it. He says we're waiting for him to release it on after the election. But the basically the administration's new of and bush knew iran were making a sweetheart trophy deal with iran. You're saying you're saying i'm so sorry. Interrupt you from getting a. I'm just repeating him. No this is great. You're zoom cut out just from from getting this right your saying that president bush and president obama knew where osama bin laden was for the entire time. So is that what you're saying. Back is when alan perot sankara at t saying that the bush administration and obama administration new new worldcom bin laden was hiding or living. He wasn't in a cave under a rock that none of our satellites can find him. He was very well a established where he was. It just wasn't made public and actually in the audio that sent me that i released publicly. You have congressman curt weldon and bra. An- joe biden's attorney. Brian ettinger on the phone. Call with alan making this deal where basically essentially. They're they're saying in the audio. Brian ettinger islands. Ernie has little dirty man Allegedly his his. You know the one who does the work for him. The middle east was saying we know where he is. We don't want him osama bin laden but we were making a deal with him that he won't attack so they knew where osama bin laden was instead of telling the public honestly where he was or trying to bird small or one over two. They essentially kept him safe newer he was and then when the time came. They wanted to do a trophy. Kill right before obama's reelection. What alan perot again is cleaning. And he says he has the goods and overseas seats and the video to prove documents to prove it. That would happen wise last minute. Iran when they sent over osama into pakistani decided last minute to pull them out. And they're saying that alan saying it wasn't actually osama that was there and that iran last minute took him out and that the administration found out and still do the trophy kill and something affair is going on with navy seal team six gold teams six trip to from the gold team has something to do with it. And basically they were left to die and iran knew about it and basically sorted the obama administration this is allegedly extorted the obama administration and said if you don't give one hundred fifty two billion dollars. We are going to exposes in the public about osama lot about navy seal team six and expose you and so allegedly a extortion. Deal this nuclear deal. That obama was gave him the money and the blood which a lot of. That's a lot of money. Wonder you know the allows the last thing that obama did before he left office. It was such a random weird thing to deal with our enemy. Who can't death to america and you're gonna send them one hundred fifty billion dollars out of nowhere for nuclear deal so alan says nope. This is the there. This is a whole cover up. This is the biggest cover up of treason in our country Treason extortion and He's there he he says. And i've seen a little bit a more than a released. I've seen more but a friend of mine. Benghazi was lower. Nick now has seen even more than i did. And he's an things brennan. Cia ex director. Leon panetta the clinton foundation all their ties to terrorism money. Getting you know been getting money from terrorism and funding terrorism and also bringing up a arab spring came out of the money that the clinton foundation was funding. It's all very nefarious. It's all very all very dirty. I wonder all has to come out. I wonder who they actually got. Them was like karl bin laden or billy bin laden who the trophy kill was when it was maybe brothers. Billy bin laden. Maybe i don't know clamp shirt you know right. I don't know what i know. Is that when. I heard your video. I i tr- archive it so it wouldn't be deleted to offer. Listeners can watch the video of what you were sharing about the can you and i wanna i just my mind's going unpack this and i want to get round with tiptop canaan up here in just a minute to ask you some questions but aaron based off what she said right now. You sell homes okay. You're you're you're you're the marketing director of shaw homes. It's oklahoma's largest homebuilding company. What questions do you have for an follow up questions that you have or that you think are thrive nation might have for her about what she just said because if what she just said isn't true that means that president bush and president obama sent countless men and women into harm's way and many people died to try to find the world's most prolific terrorists for no reason. What questions would you have for i. One of my main questions have been. And i'm sorry me tell you up but also and left armenta die there in benghazi because of the weapon starts stinger missiles that were being funneled through it. Hillary clinton talk about that hillary clinton's on the clinton foundation. so anyway. yeah. I was i was just gonna sailing men and also leaving them to die terrible terrible one of the main questions ahead was one hundred and fifty two not just one hundred and fifty billion but that's on a side note there. I mean what was the extra two billion there. It's like there's a low level guy who is kind of part of it and he was like they're like home for you and he's like these two billion too much to ask for for but that's a great question you know. I would assume as soon as well is. The numbers probably fifty iran. How this is conjecture. But let's do hundred fifty billion then the administration. Well we need to pay off our own people so they added an extra two billion in cash. Remember two billion in cash one hundred dollar bills. That's right exactly two billion in cash. And so what. Allen has claimed as well as at that two billion that was sent in cash was actually funneled back to pay off who they need to pay off in terms of flint foundation and other other bad guys who were covering up this truth and so one hundred. Fifty billion was allegedly central iran and the to cash sent back to these treasonous traders. Wow that is okay. Pastor craig europe pastor. You're not an investigative journalist. You're not really a super political guy. You're a pastor of a church. You wanna lead people to christ our listener here today. Our guest is a christian as well. What questions would you have for her about what she just covered so far. I just to kind of go from the spiritual standpoint and one thing that we have been praying as a church been other churches around the nation's been praying for all things coming to light in what you're saying is obviously it's not necessarily just democrats but also some republicans are vol. Maybe we call this a swamp you know the deep state and so. I'm assuming that we need to continue that or something else. We need to pray about but That's what we've been praying all coming says this election day. I mean we need we. If there's any vote voter fraud and needs to come to white and I mean this is kind of disturbing what's going on and also the media's walking this out right i mean you know we're not we're not hearing this from the mainstream media and so how. How can we pray for the situation. A man actually. The presence of the lord is your speaking. I want to say amen to that pastor. That's absolutely right. And as you know in the book of esther i pray that justice come to The wicked man. Ray in the book astor there was. Hey in his wicked wicked psalms. Look at family but heyman had a trade for the jewish people. so let's picture these treatments. Traders have hatred or america and heymann created these gallows these for to hang his enemies on and the same thing in in our country where we have these treasonous traders who created gallows for americans to hang around the neck to lose for us to lose our freedoms Determination lose our hope right and what happened at the end to esther is amazing switching of the tables. We have ever seen in the bible because heyman ended up Being exposed the truth came out and justice was served because heyman and his wicked family were hanged on their own gallows. So i pray in the name of jesus in agreement with this pastor i pray that these treasonous traders lord in jesus name the me that the american people or the enemies of you lured and freedom and right to snow or a pray that these wicked traitors lord be exposed. The justice be served. That people know the truth are wicked plots the lord and i pray that they hang on their own aloes that they have made for the american people in jesus name pray for all but to be exposed. Jesus name justice to come and jesus name and they'd be hanged to in the public for everyone to see what happens when you are an enemy of the people and our treasonous traitors. I you just said i just want everybody to come to agreement with that because that is so powerful you just said and i just. This is a familiar. Y- anna with kim clement prophecies. Yes am did you. Watch the kim clement. Esther prophecy. Did you see that I heard about the women who oh yeah about the woman who is going to come and And yet the big woman with beautiful eyes. That was a calm. Yes esther i. It sounds like our newest member of the supreme court is what it sounds like. I i actually thought was malania but it could maloney and amy or either of them actually. Amy also could be the deborah because there was a deborah in judges book chapter five with deborah who Who came was a woman who was a mother and let help lead to to just justice and righteousness and judged people according to it and was a big men were even looking to her for prayers or guidance for support. Were so kim combines prophecy with esther. I could definitely be Amy could be both as well as deborah prophetess deborah. Now okay so ryan wimpy. You are a christian man. You're also guy runs a business and a guy who again. If i if i'm speaking turned tell me on a scale of one to ten ten is like the most political guy in the whole world ever right and one is like. I don't care. But i'm going to vote because it's my civic duty by just don't care right. That's a one. Are you like a five. How would you describe your well. I got registered Two months ago. Okay wow so that question there. Yeah so but i think a lot of people i asked this i asked this question. I gotta setup because it's indicative of a lot of voters right now. I'm seeing a lot of people. My friend a brick suit blake who works at right side network He's been talking about this. A lot of people are registering for the first time. Because they don't wanna defunding. The police has no biden. Does they don't want to stay. In lockdown joe biden. Does they don't want to keep their churches. Close like joe biden there waking up. What question would you have for. Today's special guests this election. Day edition of the thrive time. Show so i understand how. How can the corruption run that deep at the highest level for so long and not be exposed for so long i just. I don't understand that. I think she got offended by the question. i think. i think you've got to fend him off the question. Did we lose her she here. She's here we see her. she's frozen esther comeback. I'm gonna. I'm gonna send her a message. Which is devastator message right now so i can message like hello. How are you do that thing. We just lost her but she lost her coming back home. She's not the deep steaks ryan's fall. They came back got her. The question was resist. Okay maybe we should reconnect reconnecting. And it feels okay. So i'm going. I'm going to hang up. Keeps saying okay. I'm going to hang up and then we are going to. This is the kind of election day energy the listeners need. They need this sort of they need this. We're not gonna edit this out. We're not going to keep an injury where you hit the things we need to hit right now as you're hitting the thinking that we need to hit a disconnect and reconnect. 'cause they're standing a line anyway. I mean might as well be zoo. Whatever you need to find a standing in line while that's happening. I want to make sure the listeners get this idea. She just said she just said she said. Stuff resident bush and president obama knew the whereabouts of osama bin laden and he was and he was killed. He wasn't killed it that's why they did the whole. We buried him at sea routine. Remember that movie. And i've actually had a muscle in audio audiotapes and it's crazy and then obama. This is some people. Don't know. Obama sent the iranians over a billion dollars of cash. Last minute out of the blue one hundred two billion cash cash. But then i t's billion dollars of cash looks like let me get. Let me get aaron aunt on the mike while we talk about this twice as much as it would be like craig imagine that somebody was a donor to your church and they said you said hey right now. We'd like everyone to tie in cash. You want to give extra love offering. Please doing this. Oh you want extra love offering. Yes sure i'm gonna go ahead and get two cargo planes. I'm flying in filled with cash. Do you realize what two billion dollars of cash looks like aaron. Have you ever had more than twenty thousand dollars of cash. I have actually held three million dollars in cash in my hands. Where were where were you as in las vegas. Where's the money right now. It's still in las vegas. I didn't win it. But i got to hold it. And get my. Did you have three million dollars of cash. You're holding run. It belonged to the casino. Yeah it was. It was kind of a special deal. But i got to stand there and hold it how much how much it was like It was probably about three feet wide three feet wide and about a foot and a half dalton tall hundred bills one hundred dollar bills. Just make sure we get this. My mother they were all one hundred. Count them. i it would've taken a while you now. I mean it could be a two point eight. Just want the people to understand this three million. Do you realize how much cash that is. We got her back back. Houston houston we do not have a problem. Houston we're back houston. No we're so too are terrible service. Hate no problem. No problem by the way. We're just under a little tax of the devil. I can say this. We were on the airplane out to nashville to meet with roger stone to educate him about what we know. I don't know. Have you been following the new vaccines even following. What's in the new vaccines are proposing even but not modern vaccine to be seen this. I have not read about nima dermot. But i usually follow vaccines. Yes okay. let me do this then. Because i wanna make sure that i'm giving you breaking news because you're giving me breaking. Does that's unfair. I'll give you breaking news because you're giving is breaking trade. That's a fair trade. And that's a real trait okay. So i'm going to get that cued up and i'll send it to you real quick on the zoom link but aaron. What is your question for anna. Then we'll go back to ryan's question for anna. What question would you have for. And right now because she's just said some profound stuff that's mine rocking too. Many what question would you have her. Yeah so i mean if you're an american that's out there like here. We are the day of election now. Of course the most searched for thing on google right now is how do i change. Who i voted for but for the people who haven't already cast that vote. Why should they believe what you're saying. I mean there's lots mation and quote unquote. mostly russian. Disinformation out there. You know. I like to say we've been in the information age for a long time and i feel like now. We're moving into the disinformation age. Oh yeah so so like. Why should people believe indicate in what you're saying. Well i would say the information that's presented don't believe me don't believe alan believe what the evidence that has come out and that is going to come out that i all i wanna do is present this to the public and let the public make their own decision on here to tell you what to think or what to do or who to vote for but i will tell you anything that i find out i will share it publicly because i think it's important for everyone to make their own decision and the left has already attacked these documents audiophiles before they even heard it the day before i released it they said it's fake it's fake how can you know it's fake if you haven't even seen her heard audiotapes so i would say with what allen has released so far has proven that in fact the obama administration knew where osama bin laden was and they were talking to iran about a sweetheart deal with osama now what happened afterwards with the seal team six What happened in benghazi. What happened with with iran nuclear deal trade deal that those audiotapes documents have to also come out and once those come out. I think people can make a very good decision of whether they think this is first of all. It seems plausible. Right it totally makes sense. Because the whole thing never made sense the whole you know. Seal team six. Miraculously the wants that. Were in the raid. Most likely were killed. You know i. It doesn't make any sense of with the iran. Nuclear deal makes no sense. You can find sama bin laden for the longest time. This is a cowbell moment. Heroic cal cal cal. Yeah i have one more do it do it. One saddam hussein when we caught him. Hillary clinton was we gotta without actually gadhafi but with the doll has seen when when we went in there he was hanged. There was pictures of him. There was a live video stream of your being executed. all over. the world are feed Right before he was hanged but there was videos pictures. They did a dna test to make sure it was. Hey with osama bin laden. that was never done. This is the number one american enemy that we have ever had not the the minds behind nine eleven. And you're gonna tell me the you didn't do tna tasks that you don't have pictures and videos and straight up his face splattered all over the news that we got him apollo instead we're going by threw him into the into the ocean and i talked to a few seal team. Six members told me they can't tell me anything classified. But they told me. And i wanna kate one thing that was just one team on the rape. So when you have richard. O'neill who saying i killed osama bin laden and it was me on which little weird very weird that someone would take credit for a whole group efforts. Especially when you're you know you're all heroes to take credit for it. But he this seal team six member and a few others told me the same thing that it wasn't just one team on the raid so there's a really good chance that o'neill's team. Which is the red team was working. Probably with the gold team and again. There's there's three troops in the grote goal team. There's once or two to three week trip to were the ones that went down. It's possible that trip to was with him in that raid number one number two. There was no dna. There was no pictures videos. It doesn't make any sense. Where does the body go. Was it really him. If that's you know i. I always thought that he was necessary again. These are not my allegations these. This is what alan says. It fits and makes sense but it is. It's now by the evidence. I right now. I'm gonna things that make you. Go real. I wanna keep up the audio here. This going to blow your mind and the wind blowing your my put a link here by the way an on the zoom chats. He can see ryan to come back for his triumphant. Return here where he will ask you the question. But i'm going to tell you this up for you just kind. This is i. Put the link. There's never been a vaccine like this. It's an rn a vaccine it is. What's called trans infection. It will fundamentally change people's dna. What is worse though. Is that There is a patent and they've done at mit to make patent. The die is called lucifer race and under a light you'd be able to see who was vaccinated. Who wasn't and the deal is to store your biometric information because this vaccine we'll have nanoparticles. Nanno crystalline particles that are intent actually little robots and they were like little antennas and they will have the ability to take your biometric data. Not only your vaccine record but your breathing your heart rate your activities sexual activity is drugs that you're taking where you travel all of that and then take that data and store it in the cloud. What's even more concerning. Is that the bill and melinda gates foundation on march twenty six twenty twenty applied for a patent at number zero six zero six zero six to take that biometric data give you a bar code. Connect each of us to crypto currency. So that we would become literally slaves to the system this this patent to connect the vaccinated to cryptocurrency making all humans. A commodity is extremely concerning and everyone should be concerned given that this is a virus from which ninety nine point nine percent of people recover. So i would ask. Why do we need anything like this. Because it goes far beyond Those pandemics old smallpox. And so and this is joe. I met with roger stone who was recently pardoned by president trump in nashville specifically on the owners i went there was to share this with him and he had no idea. And i put the links here so you can click those. They're all cited. So you can share wherever you want to or not or vet but i actually had an attorney. Look at the patent to make sure that the vanity number for the parent wasn't fact w zero two zero two zero zero six zero six zero six and everything. This particular doctor is speaking about. Dr north northrop has been confirmed from other doctors and it is crazy initially hearing that for the first time. What are your thoughts on. That i am at a loss for words and this is this biblical okay. This is in revelation. So much i can go into right now. I want to say wow. I've had a few few few followers message. This actually today In my damn those wondering what it was a one zero six zero six zero six hundred. I'll take a look at it later. First of all it says in the book of revelation that the mark of the beast for those who are wise enough been able to figure it out it will. It will say six. Did we owe adversity adversity adversity. Billy billy billy devil right here real quick while the while. We're going to do the disconnecting and then connect again. That's gonna have to happen again so all we're doing that we're doing was hold. That thought errand hop on the mike can say if this is true or not. Okay this devil's trying to keep a ryan off the topic but it's getting back luna saying in revelations that zero six you're talking about the number eight six six six six you're talking about revelations and it cut out right there you said for those who have the wisdom to discern and it cut out. Yeah the ones that have the wisdom to discern six is the sign of the mark of the beast that if those who do not take the mark of the beast will not be able to buy or to sell. And so if you refuse this vaccine who has a nanoparticle in there which i knew it was going to be something to do with robotic some kind of technology because here's what it says in revelation once you take the mark of the beast you will not be you're going to essentially it says it anyone that takes it will never be able to be saved. It's over it's done. Am i mean there are like you ever full attention right now. Oh my i'm speechless. A real quick. I'm gonna send this to you this. I want you to see this because you've never seen this before. So i'm just trying to pass the information to you because maybe you can get the right people. The department of justice arrested. Dr lieber for the guy who made this technology. They arrested him and he was working with. If you type in google search and you can do a google search to okay just type in epstein creates race of people harvard. Just type it in real quick. And this is both the new york times and fox news showing that they've found that lieber was working with epstein to create what he was calling to lucifer race his own race of people and his nanotechnology. Just so we're clear you if you get an email you get distracted. This new technology allows your brain to receive messages from five g towers. So you can no longer think it controls your thoughts. That's exactly right. And it says in the bible those who take the market a beast it would make sense and this is what. I've been talking about for years with my friends. Well christian brown's we said it has to be something that isn't jackson once it's injected totally subvert. Your free will. It will tell you what to do. You will have no option. Won't even be able to say yes to god because you won't be able to be something that is nanotechnology based because it says in the bible revelation that those who take the mark of the beast on there's that they're going to the lake of fire they don't have they will never have a choice. Probably free will is with the lord of saying they're saying one to take market you will you will not be saved. Meaning there's nothing that god can even do because you're just you can't even think because at the end of the day to be saved takes choice. God is about free. Will we have the choice to follow him or not. follow him. We have the choice to follow the devil or follow. God we have a choice to go to heaven or to go to hell. It's our choice to make and once a computer takes that power over from you. You no longer have a choice or will you're done. That's you'd never wanna lose your ability to make choices and to control your mind. You don't wanna lose the control of your mind. Here's there's so much. I can go into here now. Technology okay cryptocurrency. I'm i i'm like. Wow she brought that up because a few months ago. This is a testimony that i was gonna make action put out there. Oh it live hanger my goodness every year. that's this is the adverse. Hey aaron real quick verify this. We were on the airplane. Did the flight attendant not say it was the worst turbulence she's ever experienced entire actually said she has been a flight attendant for twenty seven years in bar none. It was the worst turbulence she had ever seen. Hey vacuum cranberries due to get through that several. But they won't cervitti right now. That won't be lost you right when you were saying you were talking about how this is a concern in with the nanotechnology and that she mentioned it and there you go. You're talking to a friend about it. Alaric it's cutting my stream. It's so annoying and Manage technology right. So when you lose your free will i'm you my gosh. I'm about like later. This is i want this to like. Oh my goodness this is so important. I don't i've been keeps cutting out and we might have to redo this. I don't wanna lose you guys. I wanted to. I don't want people to get distracted because it's so important. Yeah went with nanotechnology. Lose your free will. And i've been saying this for a while now that it has to do something with his nanotechnology you lose your free well and you just have no choice. I'm number one number. Two when i talked about if you guys heard this but i talked about. I'm so distracted. i'm sorry don't worry about it. don't worry doing great we're pushing. We're pushing through brute. Was the and what we do in adverse used to adversity. But we just keep on going to. The listeners are having a blast e blast not knowing what's going out right okay. Well well the other thing. That i was talking about was cryptocurrency cryptocurrency. The fat she cut again. Oh yeah you know what billy this is. It is the devil hagan you. You've seen this person that we might drew. Doesn't john ten ten cents. A thief comes to still kill and destroy she. He's trying to destroy information he didn't want the truth. Because it says we should know the truth and the truth will make us free and he does it freedom pack. I'm so sorry you know what this is. The adversity not that crypto currency. And then you head off you so take over there guys. I can't do it now. This is this is a real show those people we you don't have any zoom cut out at all and the one time we get her on the show for this moment a cut down. Shut up you know. Imagine that okay so we lose. We're gonna call. Her back is at the move. She switching internist. What do i need to do anything. She's going to ryan so far to twenty two hundred processing what you're hearing today. Show pretty wild man. Pretty why. I don't even know how to process that i have. I two emotions happening simultaneously right now. One is i'm like it. Turns out the bible's real. It turned it's like turns out by real. I'm just disappointed that. I you know you hear these things as a young boy. You read these things you know you read the bible. You study them sitting there thinking there's a part of me going. How's it going to happen. No win win going to happen. And then you're thinking it's going to happen. I of want it to happen like in one hundred years you know me. Let me get through this great life. I've got going on. I've worked so hard to make you know now. It's like the back in yellow. Hello okay here. We go here. We go is my goodness. This is like one of the most important interviews an information so literally overdrawn human history dates understand that You know what's coming in revelation we're living in right now as you were saying we. I'm hoping as well. It's one hundred years but unfortunately it's knocking on now. You be aware and be educated on what's going on. Am i still here. You're there you're there. Oh yeah so. When it comes to nanotechnology it was so obvious that it was hatched. There's something in. The market obese was going to control your free will And not give you the option to say yes to god and notice him and The lord was saying. Do not take the mark of the beast. It has a number of six six six. You'll be able to identify it if you're wise and know that six is the mark of the beast and to stay away from it because as well and they're in you're not going to have free will number two you will not be able to buy your sell without it and if you think about it if you don't have a vaccine it makes sense for into be vaccine of some sort because you can put anything in there you want on nanotechnology can go right into your brain Cut off your free. Well it could also be as well tied into you know being able to buy and sell goods. If you have a market you on the right hand on forehead it says in the bible on the left hand or forehead but the mark will allow you likely to swipe to buy and sell. It is not good z. See that right when she gets to the hotpoint. It cuts it. That's what i'm telling you. It's it's an attack double it is. I'll tell you what guys this show is it. It's like the show that has to happen is to show. That has the most we've ever done fighting through. We've never had a show. That's been attacked like this before. No seriously this is this is on. I lost you right when you were talking about the going in your hand swiping you. You're talking about me. You probably have to swipe left to right to to be able to purchase or do those kind of things continue. Oh she frozen ago you know what we're gonna do. We're going to get a connection here. Let's do this. I'm gonna let me see her. We're going to do this. I've got a plan Let's do this. Let's get her phone number. We'll call her and we're going to call her back we'll do is we'll get it where she can digest this information and then we'll call her back because she has another a interview to do in that way we can get her on the show. Does that sound good there. So i want you to email her resume her whatever. It sure reconnect. Okay let's do that move. That's the move okay. We're going to get back. we're gonna get back. That's we're going to do just to all right. Dr nation after much. Adversity after much digital turbulence. We've got the truth teller back. Anna is back here joining us from the lobby of an incredible florida-based hotel. I believe and okay. So you're talking about the mark of the beast. And those who not familiar with the book of revelations it is from revelations chapter thirteen or seventeen it reads and no man might buy or sell save that he had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name and break it down right so if you read that verse you understand that. The mark of the beast will have some kind of technology where you're going to able to swipe her hand fire sell. There must be some kind of computer ship in there. Might be some kind of nanotechnology in there And if you don't have it you are not able to buy or sell so you're going to be very much ostracized and unable to buy or sell goods food. Whatever you need to get so it kind of forces humanity to get into the system and what. I always thought reading this. I was it. Has we nanotechnology has to be some kind of computer technology. That whether it you know vaccine gets into your body and then it gets into your brain and probably ulcers your will your free will because it says in revelation as well that those who do take the mark of the beast will not be able will not be able to go to heaven. They will be automatically thrown into the lake of fire so the lord said again that some anyone takes the mark of the beast. You are not going. You're not you can never be saved. That must mean that this nanotechnology of whatever sort it is is going to prohibit your free wealth from ever not repenting from sin and to god. So it's going to take away. Your free will not allow you to choose god and it will also your slave to the system this mark of the beast stunned and i have a feeling that it's going to be almost like robots walking around if they're controlling your your free will. They're controlling your body or you know there's such thing as as targeted individuals. One of my best friends actually was targeted individual. Where she was. She's a christian also fire christian for the lord few years ago for two years. She was targeted by technology. And she she knew it she. Her arms are moving as she wasn't controlling it she couldn't. It was the weirdest thing different oss crossing her mind. That god isn't real. God isn't real. She was her hair was falling out. I mean this is not on drugs not drinking. She's a beautiful christian in christ and she figured out that this was technology base so she felt like a radar going through her body and monitoring her and she stalkers is really crazy but Enro- quick before people right. What you just said off is crazy. I wanna make sure. I read this. Okay the patent. That bill gates has filed the patent numbers w zero two zero two zero zero six zero six zero six and i would like to read for you just a little bit of what the abstract says it does. And you're to get this up online. It says the crypto currency system communicate of coupled to the device of the human user may verify if the body activity of human user satisfies one or more conditions set by the crypto currency system thus awarding crypto currency to the user human whose body activity data is verified. And that's where you cut off by the way you were. You're googlers start talking about crypto currency when we lost you last time so that's probably a good a good spot up. Yeah this is an interesting topic because a few months ago i was about to purchase crypto few a few months ago i was interested in crypto. I did research on it. And i decided to buy a bunch of bitcoin because it just it just under one another having and it. It's supposed to iraq it. So i was bringing over my investment to buy bitcoin and the lord stopped me. The lord said no do not Maniac cut off funding. Couldn't even get more funding. I'm like lord what what's going on until he was so supernatural. What happened with my bank account. I was like what's happening. Where's my money toward ago. Lord says do not buy bitcoin. And i'm like why not but the money it's gonna go up. What do you mean it's so silly. It's a good investment. And the lord to do not fi. And i obeyed and i did not by then i was praying on it and i felt my spirit. It has something to do with the times of this might be. I just felt like it's going to be used for the mark of the beast. And i thought that's an interesting idea because this nap new technology that is going to be in the mark of the beast This is a way that we can communicate through the cloud. How much money we have. We don't need cash or credit cards in our hand. Well that can control our entire way of life that we are kind of. We have to basically have no choice but to get this market abuse. Unless you don't want live on on in the system you just have no choice. You have to kind of able to fend for yourself. Have animals that. But the point is with crypto. The lord told me it has something to do with. I felt that it it has to do with the times. So i knew not to buy crypto and actually the moment i said lord i repent i will not buy crypto the next day i kid you not funds packing my count. It was the weirdest craziest thing actually make a video about it. Because i meant to go public with recently to about a crypto having a ties to the end times this market system because think about it it's encrypted. It's it's it's transmitted through the cloud. Nanno it's easy and they can control it and then they also control you at the same time telling you. This is a great way to do it. This will be so easy for everyone. But meanwhile it is absolutely the most biggest abuse of human rights abuses will ever experience. If you lose your free well. I want a little bit of time to talk off line about a couple topics here because when we have you on for part two. I'd like to be able to break down after. You've vetted what i've sent you here via the share feature on zoom on your twitter account it states. This is the tweet you have pinned today. it states. Trump isn't my christian moral leader. Jesus is god always uses imperfect people for his perfect will because no one is perfect. Besides christ god can use anyone and he does. If you go to your twitter page again. It is amazing. How many people that. I know who follow you. You know i was at the trump rally in tulsa. i was conversing with melissa tate. And then i see dr corey williams and i see a lot of people following you that i know andrew respect we just interviewed elisha shaffer. This guy was beaten within an inch of his life just in philadelphia that he was just in philadelphia and we interviewed him on the show. He got beaten up by antifa. Charlie kirk who's going to be on the thrive time show. He follows you. I mean many of the world's thought leaders. General flynn follows you. I mean so many big time people follow you and so for you to write. That i mean desouza follows you. James woods follows you eric. Trump follows you are friends of mine. Praise the lord. Praise the lord. I mean paula paula white. I mean these. People are following you pastor greg lock. I just shook his hand. he'll be on the show. I was hanging out with him. So i just wanna make sure we know for you to write that that it must have meant something. What does it mean to you and to our listeners. When you say trump isn't my christian. Moral leader jesus is please explain that. Got my morality from. I get my morality from jesus christ. First of all the reason why i pin that tweets specifically because constantly daily. This is the most common tweet i received from. Haters is while you're not a christian has used support trump. you're not christian. You're not christian. And he's he's going to hell. So are you And so i decided to pin this tweet because listen there was only one perfect human that ever walked the earth and that was not you that was not me that certainly donald trump it was. Jesus christ who was got in carnet and So we're all sinners we are all unperfect imperfect so those only god that's perfect so i always call them out by saying listen. God has used since the person is imperfect. God uses imperfect people for way sample for example. Moses kills egyptian you have date. King david his beloved david who is a man. After god's own heart hills essentially he sent his best friend to die in battle trump's adultery. You have you have king solomon. Who had like a ton of wives. I mean every single person in the bible who was used mightily by the lord he's imperfect because we are all as humans imperfect. There's only one perfect human wa- fear that his was jesus christ so i wanted to make that really clear that Listen trump. i don't know his pass. Maybe some of the things that came out of new year's true. Maybe it's not. It's called grace a mess. One thing that unbelievers don't understand. It's called grace centers we are all imperfect of. We're all in need of grace. So i have grace on him. And i can tell by the fruits of what he's doing for christians what he's doing with israel when he's doing for america that he is who he says he is because i can see it by his fruits and i judge device fruits. If he did it. I would call him out on it. But he's in perfect of god is using him or perfect will know folks out there. If you are a christian understand the words coming out of my mouth and this special presidential election edition of thrive time show. President trump is pro-life. Joe biden is pro-death pro pro biden. Jr joe biden is probaby murder. President trump is pro life period. It says in the bible thou shalt not kill if you vote for joe biden. You're a christian. The death of just just black children just black children. In america kanye west was on the joe rogan. Podcast discussing this. There are every year folks. It's crazy more people are black. Children are dying every single week than any other costs as a result of abortion. So if you vote for joe biden and you're a christian. The blood is on your hands. And may god have mercy on your soul. And i mean that seriously we might lose some listeners. Deal with it. That's fine but you've gotta vote. In the on behalf of the people that cannot defend themselves aka the babies they should be the safest people in our society. President trump is pro-life. That's where the entire voting decision begins and ends with me. Zee would you agree with that. Statement begins with two. Yes and i do agree with that statement. There's so many other things pile onto that. Yes but that's a great place to start. I mean it's very simple decision. I mean there's a lot of other factors. But i mean whose pro-life who's not right powerful. That's powerful right there but then you throw all the other great things about trump that he said them but that he's done on them then it's almost like appointed three supreme court justices or conservative. He's fighting to make our economy built the best economy. I mean he's done more for them minority with your wallet either. Way president trump going to build a wall. He's got four hundred sixty seconds. Aaron anticipate what hot fast question do you have. And then we'll go to pastor. Craig hagan what what. What question do you have for okay so if you're if you're You know having some just hang out time. And i hear the music in the background right. Now it's kind of just a beat going in the background. Must be my probably. You didn't pick that music so like just what's your song when you get in the car and you just need to hire let all of this stress of what's going on in the world go. Is there like a praise and worship song. That really puts you where you need to be. Just be able to focus in on. God what is that song for you. I wanna make it really clear. By the way. I'm in the lobby of the. They play their own music. I don't listen to secular music and my favorite worship song is what a beautiful name it is. I was definitely something that i have. Worthy is the lamb I love gotta have a whole worship platelets that i played like four or five hours. Long what am i. Friends casino One of my other brothers in christ percents Ot has his own little band where they have a useful worship songs folk come to the table by divine pursuit. I played as my insurance. I do bible studies. Monday and wednesdays letter lie and there's so many powerful worship music glad that people like honey west are putting out rob that putting out you know. You have all types of music. There's there's like techno but for the beat to make it fun. Listen christmas for a long time have been boring and so we can make music to entice the youth to not worship the devil worship. God you know. There's there's so many great worship songs. I highly suggest people actually smell awesome. There's also another one called and clay which is one of my favorites to put a leak to your favorite song name with break every chain. The hill song worship live. I put a link to that on today's show notes linked to. It's right there folks. you can hear her. Favorite present worship song now pastor. Craig thirty seconds question. Do you have well. You know a lot of christians. I've talked to for whatever reason haven't been involved in politics. But what do you say to those that because i've been urging people to get involved in politics. We need to. We need good christians on the local state and national level. What do you say to that. I would say get active. That's exact reason why. I started my youtube channel years ago. I started the show. I interviewed a bunch of different people. Because i knew i had an audience the from survivor. Most of my pants were youth. So i wanted to reach them politically but i also specifically wanted to reach spiritually so i started a youtube channel. I was at your side. i mean i. I saw the little. Live buttons. Little red blinking dot and i was just froze. I didn't wanna do it. But i knew i had to to get active so i would say after started youtube channel. Start start evangelizing. Start talking to people on the street. Talk to your uber drivers every overdrive. I talked to i. You better believe all my cell phone. And i'm talking and talking about the lord. Shopping politics had a great conversation. Might driver last night about president. Donald trump and he was like well. That's interesting so you never know we reach and we appreciate you. Are we appreciate you for being here. They had a final a final comment. Real quickly First of all are you from jason upton. Okay you've got you've got you've got you've got to do a little jason upton for me you gotta look at you gotta listen to come up here and then also on one of his songs called fly. There's an it's an actual angelic voice that enters into the studio and seeings on the on the track. This up no jason. great guy. good friend of mine. A good friend of mine but a friend of mine. And also sean foy with lettuce worship have you do you know anything about sean. Foyt in his movement. Along i read. Yeah okay great. Great great great stuff. And you're right. There's so much rich music out there that's being put out and it's awesome but Anyway yeah that's kind of fun though. Actual angels singing on the song. I mean 'cause how you can break things down and tracks comes imperfect pitch perfect whatever and it's so rich just heavy in that room and it's a great story so i would. I would tell the listeners. Do the jason. My when i need when. I'm really like come up. Here is the one that just like i mean. I'm underground crying. Every time and then flies one. That actually has an angel singing on the track. And if you don't and you know what if you're curious about that look it up and i appreciate you for being on today's show and i hope you have a great rest of your day and i wanted to talk to you for thirty seconds off. Line quick so thank you so much for being on today show for having me. I need to come back when i better service. I'm really apologized. Hotel service broke because of the storm. That was coming through miami. I apologize for probably really annoying. Everyone watching. But i love you guys. And i'll see next time and now without further ado. 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DECLASSIFIED: Ret. Adm. Bill McRaven and Michael Morell on the Raid on Osama bin Laden's Compound

Intelligence Matters

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DECLASSIFIED: Ret. Adm. Bill McRaven and Michael Morell on the Raid on Osama bin Laden's Compound

"This is intelligence matters with former acting director of the hey Michael Morell brought to you by Lockheed Martin. Your mission is ours. The operation that brought Osama bin Laden to justice is one of the great stories in the history of US national security. Last week the Michael v Hayden Center. At George, Mason University hosted an event on the operation. At that event, Olivia. Gaza's CBS news is intelligence and national security reporter and the producer of intelligence matters interviewed both me and former navy. Seal Admiral Bill mcraven on the Bin Laden raid. We are bringing you that interview today. As another episode in our spy story. Series. We'll be right back with that conversation after a word from our sponsor. I, Mike Morale and this is intelligence matters declassified spy stories from the officers who were there. At Lockheed Martin we've developed the cyber resiliency level model to help you not just operate but dominate in cyber contested and violence because completing the mission and returning safely is always job one at Lockheed Martin your mission is ours. Michael, I'd like to start with you more than ten years ago. In fact, almost twenty years ago in two, thousand and two. When agency I got a tip that there was a potential career working with Osama bin Laden take us from that moment in time to where the agency felt confident enough to brief the president of the United States on its. Findings how was that to perceived? Why did it take until two thousand ten to get a name and location and why did it get so promising if you just encapsulated that period for us to start. Sure. So in two thousand to a detainee on in the detention of a north African country told his debris fers about a guy named Walkman Al. Kuwaiti. And this detainee said that ombudsman was a courier for. Bin Laden. With somebody who was close to bin Laden and it went from there and we took that information which was given to us by that country, and we asked all the other detainees that were in either art attention or the detention of other countries about this guy named. Abu. Walkman. and. As we did that, we started to build this picture. Of Aguak meant as a pretty important guy we were told that he was close to to Bin Laden Yard on eleven that he often was a courier for bin Laden. Prior to nine eleven. We were told that he was very close to college Mohammed the mastermind Levin on after nine eleven and we were told by one detainee in particular that he could be the kind of person who might even living with bin Laden. And then probably the most important thing happened we asked to very senior Al Qaeda operatives Khalid Sheikh Mohammed himself and a guy named Abu Faraj alabi about this guy named Abbot mid. And Colvin. Shaykh Muhammad told us that yes he was aware of a guiding Barack mid but he was never a courier and that he quit working for. Bin Laden. Eleven. What I will farrage told us and previous detainees had told us that that. was very close to Abu Faraj Abu Farraj. Saz. Heard of the Guy Name. Let alone Meta Guiding Ottawa. And then the Cooper Gras was colleague. Muhammed. After his interrogation goes back to his cell and he tells his cellmates nobody say anything about the courier. So all of a sudden Abbott, mid skyrockets right in in our interests, we obviously have the cell bunk, right? So we heard what he was telling on the other prisoners. So at that point, we had his Arab nickname I walk with al-Qaeda, we did not know to name. It took us two to three years. So this time it's two thousand and three on it took us two or three years to figure out his true name. It took US another couple of years to find out his phone number. Once we had his phone number it was pretty easy to locate him on the planet and we found him on in push our Pakistan. And over a period of time, we followed him from shower to this compound in about about Pakistan, which is a pretty upscale city in Pakistan not too far from Pakistan's version of West. Point. So it was at that point where we found the compound that our counterterrorism experts came to director Panetta in me, and that was in August of two thousand ten. And they said Mr Director we have found this guy named Adam without Kuwaiti now, that name meant nothing to director Panetta or me. So in that meeting late on a Friday afternoon on, they told us all about oblong made they basically told. US The story that I just told you. And they told us about this compound where they followed him too and they really got at that first meeting gave us the physical characteristics. So large compound much larger than the other compounds in the neighborhood they told us that it was surrounded by walls twelve to eighteen foot walls with barbed wire. They told us that the main house had very few windows. They told us that there was a terrorist on the third floor, but the terrorists had a privacy wall. So if you're out on the terrorists, you couldn't actually couldn't see out and I remember director Panetta I'm saying, why would you have a privacy wall I'm isn't the whole point of a terrorist be able to see out. And what was interesting alleviate was that nobody at that meeting, there were only four or five of us there. But nobody at that meeting said, the words Bin Laden might be there at everybody was thinking that over the next couple of weeks, we learned some more information. So over the next five weeks we learned that. I was there with his brother Arar that they were the owners of the property on they paid cash for it and neither one. Neither one of them had any means of of work they weren't working weren't earning any money. We learned that there was no telephone compound there was no internet at the compound. We learned that the large number of children at the compound did not go to school unlike the rest of the kids in the neighborhood. On we learned that the residents of the compound earned their trash as opposed to everybody else in the neighborhood who put their trash out for collection and we took all of that information and we took it to. President Obama on September twenty first two, thousand ten. So just eleven days. From today and we briefed him on essentially what I just told you. He gave us two directives number one find out what the hell is going on inside that compound. And number two don't tell anybody about this anybody on this was the this was the best kept secret that I've ever been involved in in government Michael, just to complete that intelligence picture. Did you deliver all of this to the president with any sort of confidence level and if you did did the agency's involve, all have the same confidence level where they're different says so great question that first. Meeting, we just briefed him on everything I just told you. We did not. We had not yet come to the conclusion that bin Laden was being harboured there. So that took a couple more months. So the President says find out what's going on inside that compound, right? So we did everything we could to try to learn more about that compound and who was there and we tried a number of operational. Concepts to try to gather more information and we really only gathered a few more tidbits who was that there was third family living at the compound. And that that third family never left the compound and that the neighbors were not aware that there was a third family there. We also learned that the composition of that third family was consistent with what we thought. Bin Laden's family would have been at that moment in time in terms of number of children in terms of their age, etc.. That was number one, number two, and really importantly, we learned that mid was still working al-Qaeda at one of our great fierce early on was that Ebola had left al Qaeda was now working for somebody else you know a a a organized crime figure, a drug dealer on and and and any kind of possibility in that direction, and we got some intelligence collective intelligence. They made it absolutely clear that he was still in the employment of al-Qaeda Amas, still a dedicated jihadist. Kanter won't tell us how you found that outright. Michael but it's really it's really good spy Libya. and. So we learned those those two pieces and it was it was the combination of all of that still circumstantial right but the combination of all of that to lead the analysts in November December. To tell the president that they had, there was a high probability in their words, a high probability that Abbott mid was harboring bin Laden at the about about compound those almost the exact words they use, but that wasn't until the late fall. Right mcraven let's bring you in and fast forward slightly from that point too late January two thousand eleven because at that point having been presented with the intelligence as it existed, the president asked for some concepts of operation and that the military brought into the fold you were told in the you've said in the past that there were lied on bin Laden's whereabouts before did this particular intelligence standout? Was it remarkable or unremarkable? Do think this is Just another false lead or were you actually encouraged by it? Leads on Bin Laden. Some of them you know fairly tangential but part of the responsibility of a Mike Command was to work with the agency and those it had leads to kind of tracked down. I remember at one point in time somebody had reported that bin Laden was up in the Hindu Kush Afghanistan at fourteen, thousand, two, hundred feet. So sure enough. We sent a helicopter to fourteen thousand, two hundred feet to track down who we thought might be bin Laden marching through the snow. Needless to say wasn't there but every time one of those leads came up, we would do the best. We could to kind of follow the end of the lead having said that when I first got notified about this was actually in December of two, thousand ten. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Have Mike. Mullen came out to visit us in Afghanistan which did quite frequently, and after he he talked all the folks in my headquarters said, Hey, bill let's Let's go upstairs and talk. So I went up to my office and he said look they'd he thinks they have a lead on bin Laden and they may call you to to come back. And take a look at the intelligence they've got. And I'll be honest with you. I was a little dismissive only because we had seen a lot of leads before again I didn't have any of the intelligence. It was just telling me that the agency had had a lead. Couple of weeks later I get a call from General Cartwright, the vice chairman of the joint. Chiefs and I went back and that's actually when I met up with Michel and he laid out to me in his office kind of the intelligence that they were looking at and it didn't give me all honesty a complete look behind the curtain. It was really it was really hey, here's the compound. And, if your Special Operations forces had to take down that compound, how would you do it? And I said it's a compound. It's what we do every night we were doing about twenty to twenty five missions tonight in Iraq, and we were doing about ten to twelve missions and night in Afghanistan and your average mission in Afghanistan was you'd take five or six heavy lift helicopters image forty-seven, the twin bladed special operations helicopters, but a whole bunch of seals and Rangers or army special. Operations and Rangers you'd fly about an hour. You'd land in an offset location. You'd foot patrol for about ten to fifteen kilometers. So the enemy could near you coming, you'd surround the compound you put up blocking positions around the snipers would get up on the wall and then you lock it down you'd actually would come out with bullhorn say come out with your hands up that rarely happened. But if it did, we did the guy and if not things tend to get a little sporty, we get the guy and we put him on a helicopter and we're taking back that was a profile that the force was running again about ten to twelve times a night in Afghanistan. So when Michael showed me the compound, of course, it was this large. trapezoid shape compound with kind of the big three storey building in the middle. A couple of outbuildings I said well, you know it's it's a compound. We know how a little bigger than what we're used to and clearly as Michael kind of teased me with the intelligence it was at that point in time I had to admit it was it was pretty compelling. I went after we had the discussion I actually went back to Afghanistan, and then came back very soon thereafter, and then had a had a discussion and they really kind of opened up all the books to me and and and had a chance to look at all the Intel at that point in time. Again I thought the intelligence was. was very compelling, and then we had a first meeting with the president and and that was again I'd have after late January early February to your point right and then there'd be there came a point where a decision needed to be made whether to leave the operation in the. Hands or enlists special operations. You've written about how you made a concerted effort not to make it seem like you guys did do this every night and may have had better ideas on how to approach it than the why was that? And Michael after avalanches answers the question. Let us know how that was received within the agency. Was there a sigh of relief was there resentment tell us a little bit about how the discussion So when when we brought in. And it was me and I actually had a navy captain who is in DC, that was kind of helping me coordinate as I bounce back and forth between Washington and Afghanistan but but very early on. I mean this wasn't about you know the Joint Special Operations Command, this wasn't about the military. This was about doing what was right for the country and if the best chance of getting bin Laden was to go with the agencies paramilitary folks I was all about it You know at the end of the day we wanted to bin Laden, and and we didn't want us to be about our egos or our reputation or anything that to that. Effect. So I made sure that the message was clear as we were beginning to kind of develop this plan and there was a great I, have told this story I think before there was a great kind of former military, young military officer, former military officer that was leading the effort and a remarkable, a remarkable professional and he had a pretty good plan. The problem was we knew it was going to be a little bit more complicated than that. At one point in time director Panetta along with with Michael and a number of their senior officers kind call into depend on his office and said, hey look know we think based on the complexity of this. You guys probably to take the lead again I to be honest with you. I was even at that point in time a little standoffish. Because I just wanted to be careful that there wasn't the presumption that we thought. We were the pros from Dover and that we were gonNA come in and do this better than anybody. I wanted to make sure that that it was a collaborative effort but you know Leon Panetta who is incredibly gregarious they great team player reached out and said, look we think you're the right folks to do this and I'll add one more point when that the Michael can talk to to how the senior leaders looked at it. But when we kind of had the break the news to this, this young intelligence officer at the agency. Instead of kind of moping that he had missed the chance. To be part of this great operation not he just he did everything that you would expect a great professional to do he stood up said, sir what can I do to help you and frankly in the course of the next several months he and his team did everything they could to help us he was just remarkable and the information that he had already gleaned from all the intelligence was exceedingly helpful to our operation. So it was just a great collaborative effort. And it all started with the agencies kind of outreach to us, and literally the only thing I would add is is a couple of days before we had the conversation with our mcraven in Japan his office, he and I and Jeremy Bash loan in the director's office, and we were talking about the various concepts of operations that we had at that moment i. think there were there were five but really only three because a couple were involving Pakistanis in there is no way we're going to go down that road. So we only had like three concepts of operations, but they were all complicated. And I remember the conversation you know eventually evolved around two in the the absolutely best people to do this RJ sock. and. We never we never thought for a second about you know we we should do this because we found him or we should do this because this is going to be covered action that never crossed our mind we wanted to to do what would increase. You'RE GONNA give us the best chance to get in there and get him and get out without anybody being hurt and there was no doubt in our mind that that was that was bill and his team because as bill said, they did this multiple times every night in Afghanistan. and. We were there with them every night in Afghanistan as they did that. So we knew how good these guys were and it was really easy decision to make at the end of the day because a covert action it was sort of the as operation in terms of oversight writes. Why was that? Michael? Yeah. So the president decided that he wanted a covert action and he wanted it to be covert action in case that. Bills guys went in there and Unladen wasn't there and bills guys got out without being detected by the Pakistanis. We deny everything we were denied the ever have the president wanted it to be a covert action and because of that, it falls under CIA's authorities. So yeah, unusually this case, the chain of command went from the president to the CIA director she bill as the Commander Secretary of defense was not in the chain of command but I will tell you even though that that director Panetta was. was playing the role of the Secretary of Defense here. You know we we left all of the operational planning and decisions to bill. We knew that that was not our business the day after the raid when it was public that we had gotten him we on gathered all our employees in the auditorium and at one point in in Leon search talk with the employee's mentioned that he was in charge of this operation, and then he paused and he said that's total I wasn't in charge of anything. So that's that's the way it played out and sure that the bill can talk. But I'm sure he kept his his superiors of the Pentagon informed of what he was doing. We're GONNA take a quick break to hear from our sponsor. We'll be right back with more of a discussion about the raid that killed the world's most wanted man. Lockheed Martin is company proudly built on and driven by our people. Our elite team of cyber professionals has a proven track record of developing the tools and technology. Our intelligence community needs to remain on the cutting edge. We pride ourselves on partnership whether it's government or industry were dedicated to your mission were committed to anticipating the threats of the future while actively solving. Today's most complex cyber challeges at Lockheed Martin. Your mission is ours. Emily let's skip to late. March. When the president is your second meeting with the president may turns to you having all this background and he says, can you do the mission bill You didn't actually tell him one hundred percent yes. Weekend. What did you tell so up to that point in time because we hadn't brought in The seals to to do the rehearsal. Just a plan that the frankly myself and one or two others had conceived, which is a pretty straightforward plan. You know we're GONNA fly a couple of helicopters from Afghanistan to get the bad guy. Put Him or the remains back on helicopter and fly back. We tried to make it as elegant and as simple as we could. But it was one hundred and sixty two miles afghantistan the complexities of the tactical nukes on the ground. We haven't rehearsed any of that because I hadn't brought the seals into the discussion and into it behind the curtain if you will at that point in time. So the president said, can you do it and I said Sir I don't know. I said I really need to bring the guys in it. We need to rehearse us. He said, how long do you think it'll take I said, I, think it will take about three weeks. And he said, okay, you got three weeks report back to me in three weeks and so what in that period? Did you actually map out? What kind of contingencies did you plan for their? So we had been doing a little I had brought in. At. The president had agreed to allow me to bring in a couple of subject matter experts, ground force commander, and a helicopter commander, and one other one or two other folks, and we did kind of the the more detailed planning with all the agencies folks. So the agencies folks had all the intelligence we were you know one team one fight. So to speak, we were there at at Langley we were sitting there reviewing intelligence, and of course, what we wanted to know as. Operators the agency was providing all that information. So what is the Pakistani integrated air defense looks like the helicopter Blackhawk helicopter crosses the border here. When is the first? We're GONNA get picked up if we fly along this ridge line for one, hundred, sixty miles, and now the last two minutes we're going to be vulnerable. What is the chance of the backstabbing Harrison where we get on the ground? What's the compound looks like there's a compound loaded with explosives how many men were Men are compound how many women and children at the compound all the sort of tactical details that we had to go for the operation. The agency was providing that forests in order to develop the plan having said that we hadn't brought in the ground force, the seals, nor the helicopter pilots to rehearse the plan. So in that three weeks when the president finally said. Okay you can bring the guys in I called the. Seal commander. Of the seal team and I said okay I need these guys. There's been a lot of discussion about why did you pick the seals and not the army guys and I think folks thought that I the seals because I'm a seal let me tell you the only thing I was interested in was being successful on this mission, but I had to commanders that I had frankly. Tremendous trust and confidence in and and interestingly enough the army guys that their squadron had literally just gone to Afghanistan and relieved the seal squadron that was there and the seals have flown back to the. United. States. So for my purposes, I had done a cover for action that seal squadron had returned and they were supposed to be on leave. So nobody nobody really thought about where are these guys how come they're not showing up for the team because everybody just assumed they were with their girlfriends of their wives are. The someplace. So we took the opportunity of that three weeks really to have guys come and do an exercise. Now, kind of one of the funny things about it was they were on leave and we recall them. They thought we were recalling him for an exercise. We do these kind of classified exercises every once in a while. and. We have an undisclosed location on the east coast where we do this. So we had them kind of congregate. In. In. Virginia they flew down to this undisclosed location. They got into this classroom and I can tell you they were not happy campers. I had pulled them off a leave. Again with their girlfriends or out skin and Tahoe, and they thought we'd pulled them off for an exercise and the first thing that happened in the classroom was the CIA security guy got up and handed out nondisclosure statements, and then we had an officer get up and start to brief the Intel and I. Kind of was watching the body language and all the sudden they're looking around thinking is this part of the exercise? Are we pretending to go bin Laden? and. Then I think dawned on them that. This wasn't an exercise and then I got up ahead not say you words to tell them hey, boys This is the real deal, and as we go through here, grab your gear the agency had done a magnificent job in those three weeks of building a a mockup. On this this particular site, and so right after the the briefing was over ground force commander guys together. Collected them. We went to the the rehearsal site and then they began about two days of rehearsals on this. This mockup that the CIA had built. That and then. You kind of just continue after we did that we went out to another location out on the West Coast we ran a couple of full dress rehearsals, and then we brought some senior folks from the Pentagon and the intelligence community out the White House. They got a chance to review our full dress rehearsal, and then after that, I was able to go back to the next meeting and when the president said, can you do this? I said, yes, sir, we can do this a personal assessment admiral as to whether Osama bin Laden was there was a higher than Michael Sixty percent or Obama's fifty percent just a personal guess you know this is I hope this doesn't come out wrong, but it really didn't matter to me from the tactical standpoint. The operational standpoint if he was ever, we're going to get him if he wasn't we we're GONNA we're GONNA come home. The tactics of whether he was there or not really weren't going to fundamentally change. Yeah. When I looked at the intelligence I actually was leaning more towards the high side more towards Michael's sixty percent maybe even a little higher because some of the analysts there at the agency had such passion and they had been looking at this for so very long and when you look at all of the detail which we did day in and day out. You really got a sense that wow, this really could be him the thing of course that was driving us crazy was we just couldn't get to certainty or near certainty that it was bin Laden, which which goes to the boldness of the decision of the present which we can talk about later. But again I thought it was better than fifty percent certainly at least sixty percent but as an operational commander that was really fairly immaterial we're. Going to conduct a mission as though it were him and we were going to do everything we needed to turned out not to be him. We had a plan to address that right Michael to the Admiral's point what was the pressure like on the agency to come to a more definitive conclusion as to whether he was there and how heavily some of the agencies past experiences with with Desert Ron with Iraq WMD to way on that process. So we took. We took very seriously One of the things analysts do regularly, which is not only have a judgment about something. Now, Bin Laden is at this compound, but also have confidence level with that judgment low medium or hot right and we take that very seriously on and that's a lesson from Iraq WMD that we do that with almost every judgment on an in particular every judgment that is important. And so the analysts who were working this Ashley did their own renting they did their own. Went. Through a process where they ask themselves, what are all the other possibilities that are consistent with the data here? On you know is this a drug dealer right and then what what would that look like? So they went through that process and then the director of our terrorism center did his own little red team. He invited four analysts who weren't even part of CDC but that he trusted and that he had great respect for and he brought them in to look at all of the intelligence and ask them what they thought and their response was we think he's there but we're not as confident. The analysts who've been working directly. So. There were actually two red teams done by by there was. Wasn't a lot of pressure put on us by the president to nail down whether it was him or not with that certain that that level of certainty that that bill talked about. But there was from director Panetta on director Panetta was quitting intense pressure. On the operational side of the agency to to get to near certainty and at the end of the day, we couldn't and we were we were very direct with the president about what we knew what we didn't know very directly. The president that this was a circumstantial case that we had no direct evidence that he was there in whenever we didn't have a source telling us that he was in there. So we were very clear about all of that and I remember I remember near the ends and bill may remember this as well as we were approaching the the the final days I remember John Brennan in a deputies meeting saying that you know if if he's not there, I wanNA make very clear to everybody that this is not an intelligence failure. And I think there was a remarkable thing for John to do that moment time. Also you you reference the courage that it took to make the decision. Let's fast forward to April twenty nine when the President Green likes mission you delay at one day because of bad weather, I'd like you to talk a little bit about what you have. You thought about talking to your men you know the evening of the evening before it involved in basketball reference. What did you? What did you want to convey to them? They're. So every time we have a a large mission like this, a hostage rescue or major operation we do. This, kind of final and very large and very detailed brief. So in one of the hangars in our our location there in Afghanistan everybody that's involved. Every helicopter pilot every every back end or every seal every intelligence person. As as I sit on the front row, they come up and they brief me sir. I'm chief Petty Officer Jones, my job tonight is to do this Sir I'm Lieutenant Smith, my job tonight is to do this and that and they go through every aspect of the mission and we were fortunate. We had the mockup in front of us. And everybody kind tells their role, and then at the end of a kind of a briefing like that the expectation is the commander gets up gives. You know some some clarifying points and frankly you're a little bit like a coach with a with a team. Yeah. You I think you're expected to say something a little inspirational and I hadn't really thought about it. And as the briefing is going on finally, it's time for me to make a couple of clarifying points which I did things that I wanted to see the guys do, and then it kind of spontaneously occurred to me that okay. I need to say something and a lot of guys there knew that the play basketball on Sundays in Afghanistan and Iraq. We'd go to motor pool and play basketball, and so I said look. Guys know I like play basketball and you kind of see if few the heads none and I said look, I, don't know how many of you have seen the movie hoosiers. You know if you moorehead's or not and I said, well, you know it's it's It's set in I. Think I said like nine, hundred, fifty five. Starring Gene Hackman as coach of this small small town basketball team in the small town basketball team just the chance to go to the State Championship and Indianapolis, and they go from the small town in Indiana go to the big city there in an APP in Indianapolis and and they did up into the stadium, and of course, it's this huge stadium and these kids have been playing on a very, very small court and you can tell that that they're nervous about the play on the court in front of this. Large a large fan base and. Hackman says to one of those guys you said that. So say walk off the length of the court. Guy Walks off lengthen court says, how long is the coach at ninety four feet? So what's the basket? Guy. Goes measures since coach at Stanford. High. And coach turns to the guys and he said this is the exact same court that you've been playing on your whole life. Just play your game and we'll be fine and so that was my message to the guys all of these guys were. Had spent a lot of time in combat. Many of the helicopter pilots and all of the seals had been in this really since since nine eleven so I knew they knew what to do, and so I said, just do it like you always do it and we're going to be fine and that was that was the message on Friday night. I will tell you though that the message on Sunday. When we finally we're getting ready to do the raid. I I left my little makeshift command center and I went out to see the seals and they were around kind of a firepit. The face on they were getting all their ammunition gear ready to go and once again now I'm sending them off they're about to board the helicopter they kind of turned to you as a coach for one final thing to say. And once again, I hadn't put a lot of thought into it until I arrived at the firepit but I knew exactly what needed to be said and I turned all of my said look since nine eleven. All of you guys have dreamed about being the man, the goes on the mission to get bin Laden. Well. This is the mission. And you are the men, let's go get bin Laden. And there was a lot of Blah, it was just got. And and away they went. So those are the. Again, the two points of intersection between me and the and the force. Michael. I'd like to get into the rate itself you're watching from Washington and you see the first Black Hawk helicopter go down what goes through your mind what do people were in the room? Say. So one of the things that the Secretary of Defense Bob Gates repeatedly said in the meetings, we had both at the principals level and the president. was that something always goes wrong in a military operation? And that he remembered desert one right at the attempt to rescue the hostages in Tehran and and what happened in the Iranian desert. And he reminded us that he was in that very room in the situation room dealing with that issue. So he had mentioned that a number of times. So when the helicopter went down my first reaction, my first thought was for the safety of those of those forces on that helicopter and my second reaction was wow, you're not Bob Gates was right. In our I had a big lump in my throat because I didn't know what this mad. But one of the things that steeled me in that moment was how calm dump grave him less how he was absolutely ready for this and explained very quickly what the process was going to be going forward I think he told us that everybody in helicopter was fine and that the mission was would go forward and he would call call call for another helicopter to come in. And you know his his calmness in that moment, you know helped me and I know it helped director Panetta and everybody else that was sitting in our operations Internet admiral, east that you are already thinking of the next step when the helicopter went down. was there ever a doubt in your mind that the mission would continue? And be successful no none whatsoever. Again we had kind of gamed this out. As mentioned earlier when helicopter came in and it was right at about the the third. Third, story of this building and we had been concerned that when the helicopter came in in order for the guys to fast rope down kind of repel dolphin helicopter that somebody from inside the room could have fired an RPG rocket-propelled grenade could have engaged helicopter. Door gunners repaired for that but I, remember him talking to the helicopter pilot said certain less. I am dead at the controls I will be able to get that helicopter into what we referred to as the animal pin the other kind of portion of the of the compound. So as I as I saw the helicopter coming in and I'm watching it on the screen and it begins to lawful. And lose control and he began to spin. Of course, I have the advantages I'm listening on the headset. when helicopter Kinda hard lands in the the animal. Then there's been A. I'm always a little embarrassed about the degree to which people think I was calm. I was calling because I had the advantage of actually knowing what was going on at the time. Matter, was I knew immediately that the guys were okay we did have a backup plan. I had a helicopter waiting kind of around the corner. Because, we had thought that we might lose a helicopter and so you had to be prepared to deal with that and as long as the guys rotate. That, we were going to be able to adjust. They had the ground forces rehearsed. This multiple times they had a again they had plan a plan B. Plan C. and Plan D. After what probably seems like an eternity to everybody watching you hear forgotten country Toronto, and each of you thinks what Michael let's start with you. So we knew that was that was the call sign for for we got bin Laden. So that was a that was an incredible moment and You know it was it wasn't. It wasn't a locker room atmosphere at CIA it was. It was somber actual. Now did there was we were certainly happy that we were right about the intelligence and we were certainly happy that we took off the battlefield. On America's number one enemy and then we did it without losing a single man but it wasn't. It wasn't a locker room atmosphere. You know it was a recognition that you know we we killed. A woman we killed one of the wise accidentally that we scared out of their wits, a large number of children, and so you know go the whole picture was of. Great Satisfaction but Again not a not a locker room kinds. Atmosphere at all. What did you think? Anything I mean I was looking for the next mission execution checklist so. When the ground force commander radioed in and said, you know forgotten country, Geronimo Geronimo Geronimo frankly I. Don't think i. gave it any thought Oh then what's the next line item on the execution checklist What did occur to me? Of course was when he called in Toronto and I reported to Director. Panetta. That we had Geronimo. Then than I. Hesitated for a second and I said, well, I don't know whether he's dead or whether we captured him there contrary to popular belief this was not a kill only mission. We. Had talked a lot in the situation room about what happens if Bin Laden? You know has his hands up and it's clearly not threaten. The answer was easy. We have to capture. We have an obligation under the law of armed conflict to the and we were going to do that. We had a plan for doing that. But if he presented any threat at all or if we could not ascertain and that's split second that he was not a threat than the guys had the the right to to take the shot. But what I didn't know after I made the comment was food is he alive or dead? So I called back to the ground force commander and I said is Rondo e Kia enemy killed in action he reported that it was and I immediately got back director Nedeau say. TORONTO. And then of course, I was looking onto the next line on the execution checklists to figure out what are we supposed to be doing next and one of those items I assume was actually trying to verify his identity which pose a challenge in the immediate aftermath, right? Right Admiral particular because maybe you lack the tape member. So the well on the target. You're always get back. was from the force their. The the intent of course was to take a picture and be able to relay that picture back. But candidly, everything was moving so fast that didn't end up becoming an option They did take some pictures obviously onsite, which we looked at as soon as as soon as I got back. But yeah, they you know the other thing that happened on the compound of. Course was They found intelligence on the second floor. So ground force commander, we had originally planned only be on the ground for thirty minutes and about twenty minutes or twenty five minutes into it get a call saying, Hey, we found all this intelligence on the second floor. We'd like to scoop it up all. By this time we're noticing that the Pakistanis are starting to react. They know something's going on. and. I'm not sure exactly the sequencing but. Now, they're starting to alert people. I was getting a little bit nervous that it was time to get out of there but I didn't WanNa. Leave the intelligence because we didn't know whether we would have access to this again. So I told him okay did everything you can. Frankly, I was called back about every five minutes going. Okay. How you doing? Sir We're still picking up Intel and finally about forty five minutes So fifteen minutes past my thirty minute time line and I call down I said okay. We gotta get out here talking about three minutes to get out of it all the women children out of the way we already loaded the helicopter with demolition the blow it you know got the women's show. Now, the way the helicopter, the backup helicopter came in he'd already picked up. I. Think Bin Laden's remains by that time guys got out and we started heading back just to wrap up. The story of the rate itself before we move onto a couple of other topics. So much of its success has been attributed to the teamwork and the trust that was established and maintained between the intelligence officers and your team. Amer was that unique to this operation was at an unprecedented after is a little bit about that. Lacey certainly wasn't impressive. We have been working with the agency well, frankly my whole career. I. Have Been Working with the you know thirty seven years. I met my first agency officer when I was deployed to the Philippines and they were you know a Vietnam veteran. So I've spent my whole career on off working with the agency but nine eleven really celebrated that I. Mean we had agency bases were co located with my force. So it was just this always kind of this this team that worked together on on all the important parts I think what made this even even better level collaboration was really Leon Panetta Michael Morell. The senior leadership of the agency. Reached out embraced us in a way that that was that I do think was unprecedented. In fact, one team of because we knew that this mission was too important to be anything but one team, and again, I give just tremendous credit to Leon and Michael because they they set the tone early on they built the culture of the team they gave us access to everything and there wasn't anything that we needed that the agency doesn't provide guys one thing So this this level of trust was was was as bill described in one one moment where it was driven home for me was bill asked us and mentioned this earlier bill. Asked us do you think your analysts think that the the compound or the House is wired for explosives? So the analysts went back and they they thought it through and they worked at through and they come back and they say, no. And those is okay. And that that bill just saying okay. Thank you very much. Going on was an amazing moment in him trusting. The CIA. Let's. Let's talk a little bit about Al Qaeda today. So obviously, bin Laden's successor I'm Joie. Horie takes over within a matter of weeks. It'll list it's a question of Wise Zoori is still at large I'd love your your thoughts on that or maybe I'll take that. So before before we found bin Laden. I can't tell you how many people would ask us. Why haven't you found bin Laden yet. And the director of our counterterrorism center. Would would answer with quip, he would say because he is hiding. I would answer it a little bit more analytic. Bent to it I would say. It took the seventeen years to find the unabomber. It took the FBI seven years to find the bomber of the Atlanta Olympics and those people were hiding on the FBI's own soil FBI zone turf, and here we were looking for a guy who was in on somebody else's turf, and that gives that person a huge advantage and if you take straordinaria security practices, bin Laden never loot used a phone after Tora Bora. the two brothers who who were at the compound Abbott and a bra never turned their phones on until they were thirty kilometers away from the compound. So extraordinary operational security. So if you're GONNA go to that length and you are in another country, it is not easy for the United States of America to find you. So I'm sure they're still looking for Valerie but we haven't found him yet, but we will. Do. You think if Osama Osama bin Laden who were alive today, he would agree with this assessment that al Qaeda is priceless or would he view? It's the resiliency a different way. The jihadist extremist movement is now much bigger. Than Al Qaeda core and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It now stretches from West Africa all the way to Southeast Asia and it includes Al. Qaeda and Al Qaeda. Affiliates in Africa and in the Middle East and in Southeast Asia and it includes Isis it includes. Isis. Afghanistan is in Africa. It is huge right. So the number of of jihadist extremists who are willing to use violence is magnitudes greater today than it was on September tenth two, thousand one, it's down it's down a bit from where it was in two thousand seventeen, but it is still very large. So this threat remains significant. We have other threats in the world that we need to focus on absolutely, but this start racing. That was another in our series of intelligence matters declassified I'm Michael Morale please join US next week for another regular episode of intelligence matters. This has been the intelligence matters podcast with former acting director of the CIA Michael Morell brought to you by Lockheed Martin. 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ZBT #187: Hamza Bin Laden Is DEAD + CIA Operative Dan Gabriel

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ZBT #187: Hamza Bin Laden Is DEAD + CIA Operative Dan Gabriel

"Welcome back to another edition of zero blog thirty round number. One of the six runs that we have in the magazine today run number one hands of bin Laden more like Hamza been dying. That's right right the spine of nine eleven mastermind Osama bin Laden is dead just like his father round number. Two an Arizona man claims that the U._S. Army did allow little blast test goofy with his doubted mother. Would you want your grandma blasted deliveries. I doubt it round number three. We have a CIA interview that we did with Gabriel. He just completed completed a documentary on Mozell. You're GonNa want to hear about that round number. Four the Prosecutors Eddie Gallagher Warcrimes case were given navy achievement medals and then they were taken back after tweet storm by the president of the United States round number five the air force has dirty barracks room. There's mold everywhere all over San. Antonio people are freaking <music> out about it. It's a leadership challenge. 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Things on the starbucks. Community and starbucks is doing amazing things in the veteran community ladies. Let's get on with the show. It's Friday edition Folks House. Everybody's week pink going and Complaints Go. No all good cats are not just regular young brand back in the gym heard that on little pre show humping it a little bit Yup Yup doing a little good morning or evening morning p._t.. As right now I started up morning again today. I brought it up. Let me tell you morning P._T.. He is gross cons. It is it's tough man when you just get out of that lifestyle for so long and you try to get back into it. It is challenging. Let me tell you if I <hes> gyms in New York. City are so expensive and I would run or I would like run to work. It's like what five miles maybe but then there's no shower for shower here. I'm not using the shower in this office insane. There's an UPBE Hewlett next to it. That's everybody's poop toilet communal area no so I keep making excuses accuses but no I'm still out on Morning P._T.. And I think I always will be what what is. What do you think the easiest time to P._T.? If you had like ideal shower I think probably lunchtime is perfect. I think nobody wants early earlier career. I would say either right bright before lunch like eleven A._M.. Or or you take your lunch hour to work. If you have a job where you can go back to work and if you're a little sweaty. It's not a big deal even after shower shower like when I was in the army at lunchtime I put on my issues. That's no big deal. If I'm a little gross even after shower this scenario that any of us I have gross the rest of the day. It might be a little difficult. Yeah it gets nasty. I tried to ride my bike to work once and I was just soaked in sweat the rest of the day I will say it. I'm I'm just I've never been morning lady. I'm up to like three A._M.. Almost every single night and I will say nothing feels better than morning P._T.. Poche our when when like yeah it sucked getting up but now it's like seven thirty and you're like fresh and so clean clean out in for the day God. I'll never know that feeling again but it was nice when it happened well. That was my the problem was I. I just been staying up too late and I couldn't fall asleep so I said to myself all right. How am I going to kick this all right? If I start working out in the morning it will force me to go to bed at a semi reasonable annable time yeah so here you know good way that you can go to bed early. What's that if you're dead dead like Hamza bin Laden right? He is not no talking about P._T.. Big Ever again. Let's get going with round number. One the U._S. believes that the al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's son Hamza bin Laden is dead and would dare we say bye bitch. We don't give a fuck about Hamza bin Laden but they didn't say how and they didn't even really say that they know for sure. There's just multiple apple sources. There is three sources from this N._B._C. Article who said that they suspected Hamza's dead but they don't have a body. They don't have anything like that and I want to say we do have to be cautious ashes because I think we have been reported dead like eight or nine times so Hamza very well might pop up later. I hope not I think he's dead and I think I heard through the grapevine great find heart attack on the toilet really. I didn't hear that I heard he was out tending to his garden. You know it's tomato season Yep got stung by bee did no he was allergic. Oh shied on the spot damn same way that we lost Thomas J yeah right. Oh my God I heard it was I guess fixation. He died hanging himself while he was jerk. Bad Way to me. Honestly that that snow true. We don't shame if that's what you're into but be careful for the love of God I could see that being true true. I mean if you're like a terrorist mastermind the things that you've seen you have to go pretty far like it's why I could see him. Just being like took it a step too far now. I'm Dad's Oh well wasn't that when we rated excuse me for my rack. I'm dictator blanket on his name Real Bow Saddam Hussein. When we raided his his sons <hes> palaces they found Oh born they've found a ton of porn bin Laden? Yes and everything yes Uday. Hussein is who you're talking about Korea saying he was at a place called bar area. It's a lake just outside of Luge. I've actually been to his palace and they there's this big Lake Abba area which is why it was called Lake Bar area and there's this big lake and they were pulling bodies and shit out from the lake because he was able to his palace. Kill them throw into the lake. I didn't know this when I first got there. You'd think that'd be a brief like whenever you hey here's a hedge all go into the lake because there were tons of dead bodies in this lake so I didn't go in the lake psych assure did so we got there. I was like he's been riding around in hot ass home. These not really enjoying himself because he went from lush tropical Okinawa where he could hang out in the jungles and just goof to the hot asked desert where there's moon dust everywhere we get to the Kennels on bar area and I'm like you know what I'm here for a couple of days. I'm going to let it go swim so I'm throwing the ball and they're throwing the tennis ball into the water and he's loving it. I mean he had to relearn how to swim because he got his tail off in. It's like the dogs rotor so he's just like swimming in circles. I had to go and want to get them but whenever he comes out well you said you went in. Did you just say but only up to like my niece so all right all right. I did get my mouth in it. You can do whatever you want any type of water as long as your mouth doesn't get in the Kiddo mess yeah so it comes out. He's like what are you doing. You'RE GONNA die. This water is disgusting. There's bombs and shit at the bottom of it. There's all kinds kinds of stuff. I'm going to go there should be signs. Besides someone told me well maybe he also maybe swim goofing and something went wrong but we know actually. I believe that it was none of those wacky things because though the U._S. can't exactly confirm U._S.. Officials also said that the U._S. had a role in his death but did not provide details sales. The U._S. had a role Hamas death. I can only imagine what that could be but hey are. The Navy seals getting some good press soon. I don't know we'll see maybe maybe maybe other folks to within our State Department who knows has been dead for a long time because a New Yorker The New York Times reported that have been done has been dead in an operation operation within the last two years early this year the U._S. Department called Bin Laden who's believed to be in his early thirties an emerging leader in the terror group Al Qaeda. I don't think that's thirty under thirty that you WANNA be on now and then it's what exactly what you're going to be on yeah. That's not exactly the the Forbes thirty under thirty yeah that's crazy because it was just what this year last year that the State Department was like hey we'll give you millions of dollars. If you turn this guy in meanwhile secret squirrel shit he may have already been dead and they may have already. We know that so what's going on. I don't know but I wanted to get one of those rewards. I like to think that because they're saying the operation may be took place before Hamza was killed killed and then after the State Department is offering a reward for him like maybe the two agencies it was so secret squirrel they that the State Department didn't know yet and can can you imagine being the group that killed him and seeing that reward go out and being like yeah good luck. I think that would be awesome and that I mean we haven't C._I.. Operative on the show later Iran knowing stuff that comes out in the news and being able to be in the know. I don't think I could be in the I would be now. I will be a loose lips. Sink ships kind of guide heartbeat if you get two or three bourbons and me at a bar. I'll tell you whatever you want to know. Oh we're spilling tea so I said that our guest Gabriel I said after we were done interviewing him I would would be both excellent for the CIA terrible at the CIA because I'm great at telling secrets. If you guys told me something and said do not tell anyone. I wouldn't tell anyone but I'd be dying. I love love love telling people secrets if I know something that other people don't know I love spill in that yes. He'll be on his round three three but C._I._A.. Guy I don't know maybe he knew maybe even sitting here looking at us like a bunch of yokels but I'm not sad in July twenty sixteen they they reported he had audio message. Come out where he's still talking about avenging still going on about avenging his dad's death but he did a twenty one minute speech entitled which which this made me laugh 'cause member like when there's a Hashtag it's like we are all Hashtag. Yes like a whale. We are all so and so the twenty one minutes the first example Shambhu with the porpoises the bleeding heart has sags and like a- All blackfish well. This is a twenty one minute speech entitled we are all some and he said he was going to continue striking and targeting us and our country country and abroad so yeah not sad this guy's gone. I wonder if al Qaeda has some sort of news publication and there was a a blog twenty one times we are all aw Osama yeah right all lulls allows but yeah screw that guy what what information mation comes out about it and when it comes out and what the circumstances where was he in Afghanistan Pakistan who knows but I wonder how much they just will never say because because they don't want to give away any sort of inclination of what they had to do to get to them and will they drop them at the bottom of the ocean like a stat true true we are. We're all aerial all right. Let's move on around to she said the military <music> all right around to our producer Brian just said it seems seems like an onion headline when I read it and I read it because so many followers were tagging me going check this shit out and it seems like classic like Florida Man Dan you know all those wacky Florida Man Breida crocodile through drive thru like Omaha Florida ban well. This is like an Arizona man type thing because this is the actual headline Arizona man says his mom's body was sold to the military and blown up by a bomb without his consent first of of all I would just like to address the without his consent part who the fuck would consent to that in the first place. I thought that was weird but yes an Arizona man honestly because it's for scientific research I don't I would I think because I don't really care what happened to my body whenever I'm dead because I'm dead but that would be pretty impressive acid livestream and it's like when Nipsy died and all of his money like all of his albums and shit like that his family got all the money the after he died which is fantastic so many people bought it if Dave set that up that like chaps his body is going to be blown up by a rocket and all the money from all the page views that we get all the downloads. It's going to benefit his family buddy time Yup. I'm ready to go that for sure but would you like if you had you love your grandfather. Would you be like fuck it strap them in like no you go ahead. Go ahead. I haven't thought and Arizona Zona Man says the body of his late mother was sold to the U._S.. Army for blast testing by a for profit research center that he had donated her body to for for medical research in two thousand thirteen Jim stouffer donated the body of his mother doors stouffer doors seventy seventy three years old to biological resource resource center that is what it was called after she suffered from Alzheimer's in the final years of her life stouffer hoped his mother's brain could be used by doctors to learn more about the disease but he says that is not what happened. Brace yourselves instead little doors. His body was sold unbeknownst to her family to to the U._S.. Army for blast testing and let me tell you before it gets even crazier Reuters the very well respected news site did a ten part story on places. This is like this who take body who take the bodies and then the family thinks it's going to get cremated and then it goes chur parts. Go everywhere wild fucking Shit. I I would check it out if I was you but stouffer told A._B._C. Fifteen he learned of his mother's fate when a Reuters reporter contacted him with documents showing where it went she was supposedly strapped in a chair on some sort of apparatus and a detonation took place underneath her to basically get an idea of what the human body goes through when a vehicle is hit by they took little fucking doors they took doors. You got her picture your sheets you sweet little lady autocare hair puffy cotton little she's. She's got a little Russia's and the last time stouffer was blown up so much when somebody somebody put a chick chicken Potpie in a microwave for too long nailed it ultimately for real. That's super fucking looking sad and tragic like you that for your peace of mind fuck with your head like I can't imagine if someone did that to my family member but also how fucking insane is that it's pretty crazy. I mean you're talking about body brokers here at all I can think of is the big Lebowski Walter subjects like you need to tell you. Tell by three o'clock yeah but so here's here's what I want to say. If you are donating a body for research I need to know. I don't know what the answer is. Is the understanding that then you get that body back at some point and you can do with it what you will or once you up that body. Can they just do whatever they want with it. I think it's like buying a jacket at a thrift store at one point somebody nobody else's but once you pay that five dollars that's your fucking jacket right. You do it what you will like chaps. If I don't see this is a little bit of a crass comparison but chaps if I gave you or sold you a set of golf clubs and then you went and took and put purple grips on them. I can't come to you and say chaps. What the hell are you doing? You can't be putting Purple Grips on those golf clubs you own them now so I'm saying if you donate this body for research if they do the research and then sell it. I just don't know what the <music> when you give the body. There's very specific contracts that are signed off on that list what it's supposed to be going to and so that's what you believe and that that's what's been happening here at places like B. R. C. The family signs a contract believing Oh. It's going to this place for Alzheimer's research when afterwards the guy was just so listen to this. I'm sorry but I just found this so fascinating crazy see I didn't know so going on for more than a year routers examined America's body trade a little known virtually unregulated industry these businesses which call themselves non transplant is plant tissue banks are known to them on the inside his body brokers and this is where the army gets involved. I never even thought about the army testing on dead bodies first of all all who give us a call if you work in that department because I want that happens at every medical school to write cadaver but this is for like strapping bitch. We're GONNA as Rueda's report last year B._R._C._A.. Also sold body parts to U._S.. Army contractors for military experiments a Pentagon spokeswoman said B. R. C. provided the body reports under false pretences misleading the army and they stopped doing the experiments from these places once they found that out among the parts P._R._C. Sold for the army experiments were the head head and spines of several people including Conrad Patrick and Leon small seventy retirees in their seventies managed a furniture factory <music> so basically on the Patrick and small these two men each signed a box stating they did not wish to be used in military or destructive tests so that part's just because I could see if you if you're doing it and you signed off like four medical experimentation or medical processes and and the army's like look this is medical because we're blowing somebody up and seeing how we can put it back together. I think that's normal yeah and if doors if her explosion ultimately saves lives than Doris give her give her a medal posthumously right utech bucks and that's to do great well let me sky is a bitch I just tonight but I don't think they should use door like what's the name of somebody that you feel like it's okay if they do that. Ah Slightly Leroy Brody Mitch Mitch's Fine Barbara but Torres never the pictures fellow cupcake and I I also like when you look at it. Doors is an old lady like you gotTa think of the people that are going to be in these trucks that are going over. There is not not gonna be any three-star commands like anybody that you've any of your appears cons like doors is not going to be writing in that vehicle with you so so that body wouldn't even be an accurate representation. You know if somebody that'd be getting blown up anyway. I do they literally. They just wanted to blow up an old lady. That's really all it boils down to. I do love the thought of an army unit. That's just little kind candy. Sandy haired old ladies now they do their hearts and minds they Is Doris like she is the last person who wants to be blown up exactly not right. It's aw this poor lady I know in honor of Doris taken a nice little ride out to paradise. Let's go into round three with a Serbia of log types duly birdie Higgins for doors Dingley we had this is like stone sailing away. We're looking we head into our interview with Dan Gabriel. GotTa tell you if you're looking for a boost of nicotine that you can enjoy anywhere on the subway at work on a plane check out the powerful long-lasting flavors of Lucy Gum available at Lucy Dot C._o.. 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That's Lucy Dot Seattle Promo Code Barstool ten percent off our let's move into our interview that cons and Kate did with a C._I._A.. Guy I always people on here's here's that interview all right. We are sitting here with a man from Milton Oaten the home of Barstool sports but this is his very first time actually visiting the office. He's here in New York at H._Q.. Dan Gabriel formerly of the CIA and current filmmaker of the feature documentary Mozell. Thank you so much for coming in to visit us today and this film it takes place in the fall of two thousand sixteen as an army of over one hundred hundred thousand Iraqi soldiers and militia mobilized deliberate Mozell which is Iraq's second largest city from the clutches of Isis and you are very very familiar failure with area because you were C._I._A.. Operative and you had done what five or six different tours to Iraq and Afghanistan what on Earth after you finish those tours and finish that time made you say I wanna I WANNA be part of it again. I want to be involved and I have a story that I want to tell. How did this all come about out sure we'll look it's interesting the place that has so many stories to tell right and of course when you're there and even to some extent after you leave you're kind of limited in what you can talk about what you can do or writer say even but in the case of Mozell haven't been in Muslim really two thousand four to two thousand five through a short period of time but watching what happened in Mosul after we left after we feel to negotiate the south of Forces Agreement see an isis takeover takeover that town which is the second largest city in Iraq that was five years ago this summer actually <hes> I think I don't have to tell you guys as veterans you know that had a huge impact the psyche of people who had spent time even whether they're in Iraq or Afghanistan whether they're in Mosul or another part of Iraq? Oh Yeah I think what Mosul has become an and to to some extent. I didn't even realize this until we were well into the marketing and distribution of the film in going around talking to veterans. I think what Mosul has become as a city city is really the metaphor for the modern Middle East and for our involvement there so you know see an isis and they're abhorrent ideology she of taken over that city and we we show kind of at the outset of the film some of the just the brutality and we I mean believe me. It's very skilled back from from what we had access access to and what you can find on the dark web but I mean it's just medieval. I mean there's just a few words to describe the atrocities of what you see there so to make a long story short I think veterans their psyches is connected in many ways to Mosul and seen ultimately the success of the Iraqi security forces recapture capture. The city is a good thing. It's a good story. It's it's an uplifting story from that perspective of course it also has a cautionary tale the this isn't necessarily done and and that's what a lot of people want to get into and understand is isis defeated as always first or second question. I usually get from your perspective. Then how do you defeat a radical ideology. Well look. It's a holistic thing. It's not going to be done with military force alone. So what what we see in Mosul. I like to look at it as as this particular particular type of ideology is really cancer and if you think of it like cancer many ways of cancer can't be cured but it can be managed and you think of it like a force inside the body. That's destroying the south of destroying the host organism on you have to really bad shit to kill the cancer Chemo and radiation and cut it out. There's there's all different approaches. Military approaches is one of them and it certainly necessary but not sufficient. I would say so when you go back to Mosul when you look at how did how did isis end up there. I like to think that the ideology isn't really even the the 'cause it's more of a symptom so in the case of Mozell what allowed a relatively small mall force of Isis fighters to four thousand fighters took over this huge city. So how does that happen well. It happens because this is the largest suny city in Iraq and at that time the Sunnis then become <hes> ruled over by a Shia government and Baghdad of course the political context was there for this group to come in and and claim to be essentially the defenders of the Sunnis and this is this is before told ten fifteen years ago. This is what we said would happen. If you invade Iraq this country that's tangentially l. between Sunni achieved by a by a very despotic dictator Saddam so that's what happened in and you've got to think how bad things must have been in Mosul before isis got there her if isis is able to show up say hey we're gonNA defend you. I mean these guys with black flags right in the back of the pickup rotate any structure and stability we can get even if it's from Isis even and it also hurts us to write were so sick and tired and that's a really interesting dynamic you say in your film Mozell it follows journalist Ali Mola Mola and he's a witness to the temporary alliance between Sunnis Shiites Christians Kurds all of them unite to give Isis the boot. They're in the city but like you said in the end they succeed but then there's a power vacuum who will take that spot that they that Isis was holding who will give them the new stability and step in and that's the next story that that comes from it but I'm wondering you were a creative director on the film. What was your role here on this this documentary yes so we set about producing this actually in October of twenty sixteen so we were already doing some media work in the region a we'd done a TV series my company on the T._v.? Series on Isis defectors and it was it ran two seasons all in Arabic for for an Arabic audience arabic-speaking audience. We had the opportunity. One of our crews said you know hey it's about to pop off and Muslim. We have really good access and capability. We're able to kind of in bed with a number of different units. Get into that in a second. Do you want us to film this so four to July twenty seventeen of gut eighty five hours of footage. I'm in a lot of its combat footage of interviews. A lot of it's be rolling in shots of just life as it were at that time so I said about putting together metric which is something I always wanted to do kind of getting actor telling that story so I had the material the raw material to work with that was able to tell hopefully of at least one perspective of a story about Muslim so having what was the ultimate structure and goal of this documentary with okay so the structure anybody that scene apocalypse now read harder darkness. That's what was going for and I was looking up to how this Guy Ali Mullahs who had worked with on the TV series <hes> who's just the really kind of he's kind of like our <hes> like like the sheen character <hes> in the film and he's able to to kind of narrate us on this journey as we go from Baghdad to Mosul you're traveling over up the Tigris River over the period of about nine nine months in the further up the river the more and more crazy things happen and that the weirder and weirder characters we meet and things become strange and people will tell you one thing but you know that but that's not necessarily the truth and you have people saying two different things and doing one thing and say in another city it just it kind of exposes all of these different contradictions with what we think we know how about most of what we think we know about Iraq and the larger Middle East and then of course we get to the end of the film and we meet you know Kurtz himself if you will this really evil dude who's a an isis recruiter very senior level isis recruiter and we have a jail cell interview with them on he just sits there and actually the the interview itself is about thirty minutes and that's on the bonus footage of the film but it's just he just sits there and explains to you in the most cold and calculating way why Islamic extremism makes sense and I watched that clip not to cut you off and it almost reminded me of when twenty twenty goes to interview a serial killer and they're just so matter matter of fact about the evil they've done and one of the parts that kind of chilled me a little bit was that he was like hey they can kill me but my ideology is going to live on on because I've taught at all these other guys when you kill all those other guys they've taught at two other guys and it's just never going to die you're never going to it was a very chilling part but we took that line and that's what we end with because I that's if there's one many messages in the film but if there's one that I really wanted people to be left with that's that's our cautionary and I mean to use your analogy cancer that just continues to spread so this is heavy stuff this as we talked about on episode a few few episodes ago the a fall a Volusia how that affected so many veterans across the board here how it was so devastating to a lot of people who had fought there and who had lost friends and all that stuff and Mozell all similar similar things so definitely anybody listening to watch but what made you you were talking about. There's things from your tours that you can't still can't talk about you still can't do was this sort of an outlet for you. Maybe I can't tell my own stories but I can tell these people stories and still kind of get across some of the things I experienced. What what was the motivation for you to get out of the CIA? Go to film school and then do this like what isn't in it for you yet. We'll look I think that's I've never heard anybody describe it that way but I think you may have gotten it my my inner psyche and why did the story this way because in many cases it is really the Iraqis telling their story and you really is an Iraqi <music> story in this case <hes> so we know that the U._S. supported and trained and equipped operation inherent resolve as five years of doing nothing but that it was actually incredibly successful not directly led to the success of this but this is really an Iraqi story. There's no Americans in this. It's the story of their different groups within their society coming together and ultimately defeating defeating Isis and how one other question I really want to ask about that. I feel like retribution is a big deal and that is a big thing that happens all the time. Some of the characters is in your film. Their entire families have been wiped out. How do you get people? How do you convince people? Hey show your faces in. This video that we know Isis is GonNa Watch how do you how the hell did you find all these different characters. I think a lot of the characters have lived with us for so long. I think there's a level of fear that just eroded its just zero talks. Did you see this little kid. There's there's one seen these little kids you know. The God of semblance of normality is returning to this little love village. That's been liberated. These little kids are selling coffee and they're telling them on a school and three years and they're telling about making fun of Isis commanders. They clearly have no sense of the danger that the either they were in the remain in an it's. It's just a loss of I guess they're the perception of of what the what their life in danger that they living on right. I I pulled offline under your bio and I want to read it to you. And have you explain it says during nine years with the agency you completed six stores in the Middle East specializing in countering terrorism and violent extremism directing counterinsurgency operations developing in benchmarking counter radicalization in theory and methodology in the Islamic world. That's the mouth of the mobile so what does that mean and how did that translate and come through in the film so so that gets back to your question about how do you how do you confront this so from from the early days after nine eleven there was a part of the U._S.. Government and this is really it cuts across agencies from C._A._D.. State Department to even the development organizations like U._S.. Aid Whatever so there's there's an element of spectrum of work that has has to be done outside of the kinetic killing dropping bombs bullets and foreheads type thing so yeah the got the guys that did the drones and the waterboarding they down the hall of that that was not my office we were focused on was understanding the ideology understanding. This Guy Nas what he what he said and I think that's why such a compelled interview because in all the years I've been exposed to this. I have never really heard anybody explain it that way of sat across from a lot of astles trying to explain it so Kudos to him because he it just sat across from a Lotta assholes in general but yeah so you know it's so it gets back to that that element of soft power smart power and understanding. I understand the ideology and then looking at how do you how do you push people away from it you know how do you get a suicide bomber before before they strapped the vest on and get on the bus where we're in that person his or hers life. Where do you have to intervene to to have them make that decision to choose leftovers they had had three three more hugs punches right but it contains all of that and the different agencies and government of of course have different approaches with the agents with the does his covert and clandestine so the work that they do is the primary differences that you don't know that it's them doing this film? Film is not a product by the way this is the kind of messaging that you would want the government to be doing this. I mean this is a story that the Iraqi government should pay me for because shows a hopeful outcome it shows the different groups within their society coming together so State Department is and should be promoting messages and themes like this and and they do it and Defense Department does it as well to it out of the embassies they do it out of the combatant commands. It's part of any military operation both before the conflict phase in both after talk about a hopeful outcome so what do you see five ten years to now. Where are we with Isis now? And where do you see it five ten years from now yes in an ideal world. I think there's there's two to threats to understand. That kind of portrayed in this film in one is the one that we're talking about right now which is isis and I think it's pretty straightforward where that goes. They're going to try to evolve. They're going to change their tactics and strategy. The ideology remains the same a very very narrow in construction list. The interpretation of Islam much of that hasn't changed in six hundred years. It's nice change. It'll be their tactics that change you whether they decide to you know forego only part of Iraq and blow stuff up in New York City. That's tactics <hes> the other the other part and of course government will continue in should continue to focus on that is a threat and to work with governments in the Middle East and around the world to do what needs to be done in that in that's the political that's the economic that's the social religious levers of power that you have to play and pull manipulate with <hes> to prevent power vacuums like we saw in Mosul and from from growing and that's why we have to stay engaged around the world the other the part I think is actually the more difficult question it's not as obvious and to be honest with you. It wasn't obvious to me really until after the film was done and we saw what's been happening. <hes> vis a vis Iran in the last six months or so so what's in this film is is pretty eye opening in terms of how it portrays Iran and some of the involvement that they have currently only in have had in the Middle East first of all we know that a large part of the problem was a power vacuum in Mosul which was then filled by Isis. We know that the Iranian government influence fluence in Baghdad helped create that vacuum what a lot of people don't realize a lot of a lot of militia fighters that you see in that film or Shia they made they may realize that but they may not realize that they're funded by Iran right so you see 'em Hannity. She's on the Iranian payroll in one way or the other whether you know how many people between her her in the guy that passes through the envelope I don't know but the money's coming from me Ron right she makes reference to we didn't get our salaries this week and I'm taking care of my soldiers and that that kind of thing so it's very subtle but it's it's there so two thousand I guess fifteen sixteen was was the point in time when when when the government and the forces of the Shear forces in Baghdad's government decided that they were GonNa get serious about Isis because up until then they had they said that's the Sunni part of the country with it <hes> and then when they get serious they were very very effective what they did so that they had equipment they had training that it had support to the fight is just like we did you know so so you end up on the same side of your enemy and it becomes one of these the old adage. The enemy of my enemy is my friend right right so the point being where does that leave us vis-a-vis of year round well number one it shows that we worked essentially on the same side as the Iranians to defeat is weird to say yes. It's it's not something people talk about right because people just to stay here I Ron Ron. Oh they're bad people yeah and they very well may maybe and they very well may have a negative plans and intentions for the region but we have to address the reality in the facts of what how muscles liberated and how that came to be <hes> but the kind of the dark and sinister side of that is <hes> Iran very much wants wants us out of the region and that means starting with with Iraq so that is that is the first objective in the influence of the Iran has gained over the last decade or fifteen ears is is evident. It's evident in this fill because they had as much of an impact in defeating Isis. Perhaps as we did and that's that's kind of something that just makes you sit up and say wait what right but it's there it's in the film and the you know unfortunately the really the last fifteen years what would our foreign policy is done. His essentially led led to the rise of Iran and there's this Shia crush that's being constructed across the Middle East and I think what you see right. Now is the beginning of a new Cold War. That's between <music> Saudi Arabia and Iran and it's played out in L._A.. Haven't had one of those couple of decades do so we got a too hot and it's really easy. We just off to the side. We're going to be involved solved in this one right okay all right so the lines are drawn. I mean literally there's a line drawn its shape of a crescent and it runs from from of course Syria and Lebanon through Iraq and parts of Afghanistan to run and actually continues all the way over it so you see these conflicts that are breaking out in places like Yemen in places like Lebanon places like Syria and what it is. It's it's Saudi Arabia and Iran Duke it out through proxy allies and proxy governments and their cloaking it in kind of the Sunni or Shia interpretation. The religion is always religion is often bastardized and used as flag to cover show interactions but it's really a political conflict that we see unfolding failing Charlie Kelly at the cork board trying to explain this to this tied to this but it's all it is very confusing for people <hes> but your the film it's doing really well but is great on rotten tomatoes congrats to you know Ram tomatoes and how are you getting out there for those <music> veterans listening who are interested and getting into film and doing this what was your path and getting into film well. That's actually a great question because one of the things that is important important me and the other filmmakers involved in this is actually not only getting this message out to veterans but also working with them and building up kind of a collaboration of of veterans that are interested in getting into film or into writing and it's it's definitely therapeutic for veterans to do this and we've been fortunate enough to to sit down with guys like Scott using who's a of former marine wrote an amazing book echo and Ramadi guys like p Turner on the break it down podcast. Those guys are out West but when you dive deep you don't even have dive deep into the Veterans Veterans Committee there is a there's a wealth of creativity and entrepreneurship that is flourishing within that community in that's one of the things that we want to support uh-huh definitely show other veterans filmmakers how to do it right and for you you came here to went to Tisch right and it was by the way it was film schools. Who's like film nights? School already had enough degrees. I mean this guy's got a bachelors from in journalism from George Washington Masters Ah in from George Washington and then on top of that. You've decided that wasn't enough. You've got an M._B._A.. Two thousand one obviously we know what's going on in two thousand one. You joined the two thousand two. How do you decide all right? I'm not GonNa go the Clark Kent Route with journalism. I'm going to do the superman route with the CIA. Yea Okay true true so look it starts with it. I think in interesting stories on that's kind of the full arc for me so starting pardon is a as a journalist. I think what drove me to to want to pursue that degree was just a desired to talk to people to engage people tell their stories. I'm really actually the CIA case officers do talk to people to get them to open up. Get them ultimately steal secrets but it's really the same thing and then they right reports afterwards and different people reports than if you put it in a newspaper in a film but it's the same idea so call me back full circle to the film. It was really a return to a desire to tell stories very cool well. Where can people find it now? Is it making the circuits it's so first foremost it's on Amazon and it's on I tunes seek treatment or you can go to Mosul Dash Film Dot Com you could buy the D._V._D.. Or Blu Ray there and there's a lot more information and background on the film and kind of how we made it stuff there and Dan what's next for you question. I think we might need to do a sequel. I think that might be a sequel in the works. I like this Saudi Arabia run angle a lot of people are interested in that and want to learn more and really there hasn't been much done on it actually yeah okay. I have to to ask questions one built off the sequel and I don't mean to make this dark. What how much should we worry domestically about? What's going on in the Middle East because there's a better than good chance we probably get involved in some capacity over in the Middle East? But how much should we worry here on American soil well the first thing. Is You know you see these. These guys Fox News saying Oh there's GonNa be a terrorist attack. First thing is nobody knows I can't guarantee that somebody's not going to blow up taxicab on my way out of here. They might so so nobody else and as we get down to more lone wolf style attacks and kind of looking at how isis is kind of innovated what they're seeking to do it might I just be driving on the streets of the dump truck right running people over in Halloween or something right that that gets back to how do you how do you kill somebody that you don't even know as a terrorist where you got to drain swamp <hes> overseas. I think we have to take a strong look at our our our foreign policy. I think one thing that president trump has done. That's that's been <hes> not necessarily accepted by the foreign policy establishment is that he's been willing to say. Why do we need to be there but there's there's a careful line between completely disengaging engaging in thinking that we need to knock down the government of Baghdad to take over Iraq? Did you know so there's a fine line and our departure from Iraq of course in twenty fourteen fourteen by led to the rise of Isis twenty fourteen <hes> so you know it's <hes> I think the important thing is that talk about things like this. Listen have have discussions that probably go outside the typical toughs or Harvard. You Know Foreign Policy Group thank <music> also as a filmmaker. I feel like one thing the internet big deal right now. Everybody's watching youtube videos if you could just a mass into a series of like Isis bloopers like people and just tripping over things and looking stupid and then like put some funny music behind it. I feel like that we make them with Dorky enough right. I feel like that that would really because you have the Isis Shell to look at what we have if you could just sit compilation I feel like that would solve all the world's problems yeah so I mean I wasn't in the C._I._A.. For a long time but I think we actually do blooper reel in this film or reel blooper scene yeah. There's a guy with his scope-mounted backwards. It's now on a sauce. It's like I'm not sure how far so you know fake it till you guys probably pretending you knew exactly what he I was doing the Iranians him and not not our special attention to class. Well check out the film Mozell definitely Dan. I'm excited to see what you do in the future especially if there's a sequel <hes> and thank you so much for coming in today. Is there anything else. Thank you all right brands Brenston recording. It's just I mean Kate you in the nine years. You probably got a lot of secrets. Is there anything you want to get off your chest again. Nobody's listening. Nobody's just there's three US yeah you know I think snowden put along stuff. That probably shouldn't have been out there yeah so I mean if you if you WANNA really <hes> re we documents that shouldn't have been on the public purview well this guy but no he. He's he's a scumbag. He cost lives directly one way or the other and secrets of secrets for reason. I can't explain why they can't talk about area fifty one in the aliens but fuck. I really have an appreciation for for op suck and there's there's reasons that you can't talk about some certain stuff shorts yeah. It's a productive American lives now. Well good now that we know we can trust you for the next thirty minutes. We just want to get some things off our chest. Yeah we are those of our producer brand he oh shit. Hey Buddy now else. That's all Dan. Thank you so much. Thank you very much appreciate it. Please clap I will say great interview interview very cool to have him a Milton guy so it's fun to walk around the office afterwards Homa Barstool <hes> but after taping contest him a good question what are the most accurate C._I._A.. Movies movies and so I just wanted to throw it out there the recruit he said the recruit Argo and zero dark thirty but he said the most accurate film of government life overall. What was the Guardian with Ashton Kutcher so trying we weren't yes indeed to tell you final note very interesting? Did you guys ask him about homeland. No Oh yeah that's my favorite. That's the only reason why have showtime subscription is because of homeland. That's even though it's really bad. It's the one show the even though it's super bad I won't give up on love homeland. I think that homeland season one is probably the best single season of T._v.. Ever all right let's go into a round number four so the U._S.. Navy Secretary Richard Spencer has revoked awards given US ever military prosecutors eaters in the court system who are involved with the Court Martial of Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher who was acquitted of murdering an Iraqi prisoner but convicted of unlawfully posing with his dead bodies the move coincided with tweets from president trump so basically what happened is there was this huge trial that probably got more attention from the mill community we than any trial that I can remember in recent history. I mean like even Major Nissan from Fort Hood the Fort Hood shooter even his didn't even Garner as much attention and maybe bowe Bergdahl probably did like that one was one but Eddie Gallagher was one where you didn't know what side you're on. There was so many right very divisive case so but with Bowe Bergdahl essentially everybody was like fuck this guy you never your post. You never go off and do these type of things probably ninety percent of the veteran community. Maybe even more were against Bowe Bergdahl this one you had much more of a both sides situation so the prosecution made several several mistakes along the way they leaked information <hes> they the primary prosecutor had to be relieved from the role where the secondary prosecutor ended up stepping up and taking it they gave him immunity when they probably shouldn't have they got duped on the stand a couple times they even admitted after so when this news I just got the one huge thing they gave this guy hi immunity and then once a medic surprised them. They thought the medical on their side he surprised the prosecutors during the trial by saying it was him not gallagher who who who ended up killing the the fighter so yeah this whole thing was like a craziest circuit shit shell so if you watched it you knew all along the defense did their job the defense rate by <hes> but like they did a great job getting him acquitted like no doubt about it so whenever this came down that they were gonNA get dams it was like what in the world and for military officer especially like a Jag officer to get a Nam. That's not a huge deal on the administrative. NAM is not a huge deal at all. It's the second lowest SD personal award in a Department of the navy. The only thing lower would be a good conduct medal and that you that officers don't even raise those because they're just assumed to have good conduct right so it's the lowest personal award that you can wear on your uniform that an officer could receive and that's what they were getting. I I disagreed with it from the moment it was announced because you don't get it for working hard to get it for doing your job going above and beyond going beyond so the fact that they were given an award for beyond the losing side of the case was surprising number one in the number two chaps all they just did their job. I'm sure they worked long hours hours. Well that's just part of your job. Sometimes you gotta work long hours so the fact that they were even put up for a metal. I'm surprised that no one owned the way said you know what what are we doing here. The prosecutors acute in the case of of them total of ten Military Awards <hes> Navy Achievement Medals Aka names and three letters of commendation were given and then they were taken away way <hes> and the the officials say they weren't sure if Spencer acted on his own or if he was motivated to do it because of trump's tweet and all the pressures and stuff like that but yeah so wondering what those prosecutors right now how they're feeling because you know I honestly I honestly if I was one of those prosecutors. I would be relieved because whenever you throw on your medals whenever you throw on like address uniform you WanNa be proud of the things that you're wearing you know like there's a sense of pride of the things you earned. Even though like getting a purple heart was one of the worst days of my life I still have pride and wearing that like the there was a sacrifice that I had quote unquote vote for my country whenever that happened every other ribbon or medal that I earned along the way it's something that I could be proud of. I would bet you that these prosecutors would not want to put put it on and be reminded of this case. I think the whole thing though I think the thing for me was that it could have been quietly done but I think trump knows the gallagher case is so divisive vice and it works so well on his side with his crowd that he had to do this so publicly and fit. Do that was the part to me that was like all right everything at this point done by hand people. I'm just thinking this for twenty twenty and thanks motivated by something else right just terrible that they would use this case and these individuals as for their political purposes champs and Kate I don't I can't think of any time in my service that I saw someone say now. It's okay. I won't take that award like thank. You can't deny awards right. You can't say like I said I won't take that. I don't know you're not GONNA do that. Well I mean I've I've heard of people trying to like. I I know for instance. Dakota Meyer was very against receiving the medal of honor whenever I came because it just reminded him of how many people on his team were killed but ultimately it's not your choice. You're either going to get it or not. I mean I'm sure that there's been people who are just absolutely no way. I'm not taking that but it's very very a rare so what you're saying about how they're relieved. I think that's probably part of it. Because you keep your hands tied you can't say I don't think I deserve that and I don't want it. You kind of just have to accept accepted so the fact that it was taken out of their hands probably a big relief for them. Yeah I just probably embarrassing that it was so publicly I can't because it's a NAM NAM making making national news is ridiculous. I I went on our navy and was looking on just some of the comments of people who go on our navy navy read it there. There were people talking about because of this they went into what are some of the more ridiculous names that you've ever seen awarded. One of them was like our chief raised as over three hundred dollars for the military bob because he had he each Friday he went and picked up donuts and brought them for the Squadron and made people pay like a dollar donuts or the prophets all I mean there's just so many a NAM is just such not a big deal to get one so that's why it's it was surprising surprising to me one that they would get a personal award for losing a case like this in the public limelight into that the president was involved with a NAM at all like I had never seen and president talk about a NAM usually unless it's unless it's a medal of honor. Maybe <hes> the second highest for like for the Navy Cross for the Marine Corps Navy. Maybe if you have a navy cross or something like that that president might be involved other than that they're not involved with those lower level awards but trump knows his his father's don't know what the fucking fucking name is for a large part so it just sounds like a big deal so he knew he was politics but just a wild. What a while this case every time you think it's done something wacky crazy apposite do that? But what a gaggle fuck all just move on from here indeed can't we on excellent USA USA Goggle Cave. Thank you all right. Let's move on to around five round. Five is going to be brought to you by our good friends at kill cliff. I'm sure whenever you've come back from an exhausting uh-huh cons getting back into morning P._T.. Like with your hydration levels. Are you feeling dehydrated. Are you going out and getting after it. I definitely feel dehydrated. Hydrated and I could use some hydration. 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This was written by James Clark from tasking purpose and he said over the last week a string of photos and videos and scream shots and texts were published by the Popular Air Force Base. I <hes> facebook page indicating issues with mold and dorm housing at the training compound. I will never get over the fact that the air force caused their barracks dorms. I know it's kind of funny. It's I mean it's the only the only one who doesn't Navy Marine Corps and army all aw barracks barracks right. They're all the hipsters of the military. They're like Oh. You guys all do that when we do this. We do a little different around here. Ah Restaurant is like oh welcome to Red Robin. We did a little different. If you didn't tell me what branch of the military this was and you didn't say the word dorms I honestly would not air force would have been my last guests wormald for mold story coming out yeah so here we go this post gain attention for several news outlets. It's after images and video documenting the mold as well as water damage and some of the facilities that Lakshman came to light the service mandated inspections at other building joint base San Antonio which which boasts seventy seven different dorms with a with a bedspace capable of housing twenty seven thousand servicemembers so for those of you don't know Lackland is where boot camp is for the air force every single air force person that is enlisted ghost through Lackland Air Force Base not only that they don't have that training command there is has multiple different branches. All the different branches have joint service schools whether you're going to <hes> security forces school which is basically like being an air force cop. The dog handling school was there several other schools are on lockdown as well so all these different buildings had to be inspected so far the service has inspected seven thousand eighty rooms are seven two thousand and eighty of the eight thousand two hundred seventy nine rooms and fourteen percent of all those rooms had some type of mold. The exact number of mold in the dorms has not been medically identified but two hundred and twenty ehrman have been relocated. I went to this facebook page that they were talking about. There has got to be a high level in general who is deep inside the crack of this brigadier general who's in charge because the one the one star was at one of the Barrick's one of the dorms. Excuse me at zero one making sure that inspections were going on. They're doing inspections essentially around the clock to make sure that the situation goes to bed the fact that they're saying that they didn't know this stuff is flat out lies. I mean we had students who complained about this shit in two thousand eleven. Whenever I was an instructor there like the Marine Corps Barracks was disgusting they sold the Marine Corps barracks? Are we rented out to the marine core because of mold issues in the Marine Corps was like it doesn't meet our standards for mold. It's good to go for us so we moved all we moved all of our Marines into a barracks that the air force had condemned for mold right and here's the problem with mold. Here's why it matters. It's mold is like a fungus. It's like a little fun guy and they produce some of them. Produce toxic metabolites these tiny tiny little things that get into your lungs and can legit seriously fuck you up over time and make you chronically ill and have all sorts of really bad effects and it can even affect your skin your lungs all sorts of different things like anything and it thrives in in any environment that is moist and so stay moist that dropping a hard moist on your ass. Is this morning <hes> but it's showing them that the structures of these dorms are not great as if they're so wet all the time to point about like how do Kate's point there on that same facebook page there was. She said that she was a chief mess insurgent which I don't know ranked that as a pretty sure it's an e eight but they she said that her class of students moved one of the two hundred and twenty who moved out of the old barracks into the new barracks and after a week of being out whenever they re ran their physical fitness it is test the class average for their mile and a half time increased by over ninety seconds. That's a lot it gets asthma all riled up it messes. This is ABC might gives you flu like symptoms skin rashes. It's it really it can really Jack people up so I can see it can lead to immune disease. I'm on and IT'S I. That's off the top go ahead. I'm totally not looking on Google right now so going going back to our previous round if I was still there if I was still staff sergeant at Lackland Lackland I would move all of my marines into the moly EST barracks that I could find as soon as they check into the unit. I would find the moldy issue in that I could put them men and be like look you need to sleep with your face in this mold after about three weeks into the into the course I would go move them to a slightly lately less moldy barracks so then their run times can increase and then with the last fitness test I would move them into a clean barracks so then I could show from the beginning getting that they had improved dramatically under my leadership and then I will get an award for it. I man that perhaps you'd probably get an that's leadership leadership one on one right there but this just goes to show I mean we had we had molnar barracks. I'm sure you said that you did you. I'm sure you're not right. So that's the divide I think a lot of times the higher ups never see how we're actually living. <hes> and God said no he didn't have experience br like didn't even have experienced with my with mold my initial reaction in my head. Was This fucking disgusting. You didn't have to deal with mold serve IRV bro. Are you a mold pogue. He didn't even go any mold exposure but I just feel like as part of the disconnect and it's like the higher ups just like they don't okay but they don't have to live in it so they don't have to deal about it about it and we feel bad being excuse me mold. My rooms are like nobody's GonNa you're sergeants like okay. Go Fuck yourself like they don't like it so it's tough but yeah definitely not a great thing and this is again. We've talked about this. I feel like every month we're talking about some bad situation and housing for lower enlisted where whether it's like the the barracks or the dorms or the actual houses for spouses on military bases just suck and they're they're certainly is that element of it. I dealt with Number six is going to be our boots on the ground segment that we did with O.. S. D. C._E._O.. Glenn Baton did you do kate. Did you doing the anti get more French Banton baton. I'm Ben Thanh yes been on then Don Kalimba Antone Glenn Dunkel Antonio Bent on us all right. Is that a good man. Here's my man Oh Asti I now I am joined by the C._E._o.. of St Glen Benton and yesterday on the show we were talking about bad care packages so many great eight ones and appreciate obviously anything that people take the time to send our thoughtful with overseas but I was laughing that I was attached to infantry guys and they will get cool magazines and like fun gummy snacks I would for some ungodly reason get a ton of pads and tampons and Nail Polish and things that I couldn't possibly like I don't know what they thought was going on over there but you know it's the thought that counts but that was kind of the impetus for back in two thousand ten was hey. Let's send them stuff that as veterans ourselves we know they're gonNA really love. We know is going to entertain them and give them something to do in the downtime that happens when you're overseas but in a sense blossomed into something so much more than that can you give us a little background on L._S._D.. And what what it all entails now absolutely I mean you're you're right. The impetus was generational relevance. This is what we call it. Everyone wanted to send hygiene items and socks and baby wipes or ungodly amounts of girl scout cookies that melts in the sun which which those are all funny stories as well <hes> but really we looked at you know what does your average eighteen to twenty something year old want or need <hes> you know post two thousand one on post two thousand and two and Video Games Board Games. You know those are the types of things that <hes> brought folks together and arguably that's been happening since Desert Storm Ninety one where there's there's tons of stories of you know <hes> guys and gals racing across the desert in Iraq with you know game boys and the front pocket you know in their boss and <hes> you know since then really what it's been about listening to the men and women that were serving and finding ways that we can <hes> exist as an organization the active duty you decide but help with more of a philosophy and a set of values that can help pull somebody through transition and into you know quote unquote regular life after it's all about vern. That's the short version at least of where we are today. Is that what you call the veteran ecosystems. I saw yeah can you. I yeah so when you know all the question we started asking as we're growing. I remember in particular is probably I guess I wanNA say five or six years ago. We were actually out of show with one of our partners tracking point and makes these really cool smart rifles and a couple of guys came up. They receive care packages from. I must like Oh my goodness. You know real this. This is cool. What can we do and I don't know what what can you do like? We're you know we're not really an organ because they can't come help. Pack what we putting together. The average care package could be five hundred to two thousand dollars of stuff because it's a lot of hardware and software especially at the time <hes> and so we kind of turned around and said well you know what what do you want to do and really they kind of broke down the organization us in a way a few of us saw it but they really did which was like hey you know we're generation the relevant so it's not just about you know ending video game care backers overseas. You gave us something that I felt like home. That still brought us together that you know built Camaraderie helped with unit cohesion again all those things at the military wants but at the end of the day when they're coming home they just wanted to give that same feeling to others <hes> through any means necessary and so that's grown into this you know veterans support ecosystem down where we're asking okay <hes>. Are you enjoy getting together with people and doing some sort of fitness thing <hes> we'll after the five ks over then in what you know after you do the cigar night then what you know. What's that community that kind of holds things together and I really think you know sense? You know the V._F._W.. W in American Legion their heyday. There's no real organization on the veterans support side of things that does that in the way something like the United Way might on on <hes> you know just the general side nonprofit space right because you guys focus on social connectivity Professional Development Community Stewardship so through volunteerism through networking working through just fun events to like you said happy hours physical fitness and wellness family outings tailgates all that stuff you kind of create you cover all the bases and you create kind of a little environment for veterans and their families and friends to also it's not just only veterans right you kind of include everybody in this out <hes> and a part of it too. I saw is coffee meet UPS and we're lucky enough to be sponsored by starbucks right. Now your partnership with starbucks together. What what do you guys do with them because I saw you guys also David Zebras? Jim and I know they also have a partnership with starbucks. What does that entail so it's really interesting so we met them probably three years ago weirdly enough at e three which is the big you know entertainment Electronics Expo which has probably more fortune five hundred executives not in the industry than others because they want to get some of that skit some of that game or money but anyways you know we were chatting with them in one of their big challenges? It was actually getting product overseas. <hes> you know there's a lot of misinformation over the years with starbucks and how are they do or don't support the military and if you look back far enough I believe it was like early two thousands I it was this story about new starbucks won't send stuff the troops and really what it was is it comes down onto dod contracts and moving things well over the years starbucks continues to send literally tens or hundreds of tons of coffee overseas. They've since grown into having you know this program where they've <hes> you know the just surpass hiring over twenty five style. I was in veterans and spouses in with us. It's a combination of addressing a number. A number of different needs than inside of their own goals. <hes> one is being able to deliver on <hes> you know they're promised to support the troops <hes> so that is bringing coffee overseas and we've literally send probably <hes> you know ten tens of recent tens of tonnes of coffee <hes> overseas <hes> but the reason why they work with us because we do have that community element in that community element is when these men and women are coming back home they are getting involved in the community in this ecosystem and that's really I'd say the difference maker why starbucks worked so well together and why we have such a great partnership. That's awesome and part of this these care packages that you sent overseas so it's a mix of things it's not just a gaming console but maybe it'll be one or two gaming consoles a bunch of games coffee one of the things what's in these because I know you guys just got a four Thousand Square Foot warehouse in Austin. You're moving. You're growing and what goes into this. What goes the whole? It's you know no no care package a standardized care package. I mean really it comes down to <hes> you. WHO's the recipient be ent- how many men or women are in that unit? What is the unit size? Were they located. How long are they there? <hes> it does sometimes include consoles <hes> other hardware hardware video games lots of board games. I mean I it's probably come as no surprise you think about it. We get requests for Board Games. Probably fifty to one over video uh-huh Games. We played when we first tour risk was like get ready. We're done for the day head over to the risk rippin six. We're taking over Tusk Tusk of course of course and that's really that's really what it's about and I I always I've told some people especially in the you know the the gaming industry. y'All tell him that fact to say well. What do you mean so? We'll think about this if somebody says hey glen you wanNA play streetfighter all kind of look at him funny and go. Are you any good and if oh yeah no thanks I'm good because I wanNA play fun but if somebody said Hey you WanNa play candy land and I'm bored whatever sure let's do it. You know it doesn't it doesn't really matter <hes> but in addition to that I mean literally early I I got a quote from a chaplain Rin. <hes> Afghanistan just the past couple of days the okay cups or like gold which that's just an interesting you know technological Michael Advance at Cedar talk about just coffee getting better over the years and through history and in the military I mean now everywhere has secured machine. <hes> missile starbucks will provide that <hes> fitness items <hes> you know everything from you know protein shakes supplements. That's becoming a lot more popular <hes> <hes> weirdly enough R- rip it there another big sponsor varsity the unofficial unofficial energy drink of the military but even that it's it's really interesting slash bizarre to see over the years where <hes> just how things are appreciated now. Everybody you know your average trooper. At least you know the the part of command that wants to make sure their wellness is taking care of is looking at this like whole health mentality where how can we help their mental house by bringing people together with video games and board games and movies but with healthy snacks like beef jerky and nuts and it's just it's it's really cool to see that over the years and it certainly we makes things a lot of fun well. That's awesome and you know it's cool. You're doing that stuff for the troops overseas. You're also creating communities back home. Where can where are you guys located and where can people veterans looking for a community? Where can they find you? Yes so the main thing to look is <hes> you know I go to the website. <hes> we are dot Org <hes> same thing on social media <hes> you can find us on the normal socials <hes> we've got a number of chapters around the country. We are chapter based. I would say <hes> certainly we over index in Texas Southern California Arizona a lot more of the southern states but we have you know pods up into you know Philadelphia D. C.. <hes> Ohio we actually yes you have an Ohio State University chapter that <hes> self actualized which is pretty cool <hes> so really it's a matter of understanding the ecosystem and that mentality we're trying to approach and we look at those different things like social connectivity Professional Development Community Services almost like pipeline so oftentimes people will get to know us through the social stuff <hes> you know start to better themselves through professional development which is as much kind of I'd say social development as it is actual workshops workshops <hes> and then community services once you know we can at least lie to ourselves and say we've got our act together. We go and we continue to to give back to the community so it's it's. It's an awesome thing to be a part of. I'm certainly thankful for anybody that dedicates time to it. That's fantastic well. I thank you so much for your time. Is there anything else you WANNA get across about L._S._D.. That you know if there's a veteran out there looking for a community just go to the website. Is there a tab for the different because he said what does it charters around the country. It's a chapter chapter. I will admit right now. That's that's a little bit less direct than I would like it to be <hes> <hes> but you see it's relatively easy to figure out but I mean you could always email us. We've got a great communications team as well or send us a message but at the end of the day it's it's. It's something where you know. If you're an individual that's currently serving and you're deployed. Send us a message. We can see about getting your unit. <hes> some support with our supply drops drops then if you're you know somebody that's gotten out of transitioning and whether it's you know looking for a mentor and some of these things we do directly others do through partners or you're just looking for something something to be a part of. That's a little bit more encompassing. We're we're certainly an answer to that and lead. We'd love to have you. Well really appreciate your time Glen Benton CEO of L._S._D.. They're they're doing a lot of great stuff out there and I still think just for old time sakes in your supply drops that maybe you should still put some Harlequin Romance novels. Throw a couple of pads tampons in there you know just still mix it up a little bit for the old timers like myself but thank you so much for your time. You guys are doing great stuff. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you know I glen appreciate it. I hope that was everything in if there's anything else you wanted to say we can still edited and if there's anything else he went out there. I think we're absolutely good. I just appreciate you guys getting us on here and this is one of the benefits of the starbucks partner us from all the other <hes> that's great though actually next time I'm down every now and then I get down to visit chaps down there in San Antonio and have a bunch of friends. I've I started going to Austin for the first time in my life this past year and I love it. It is definitely I'll tell you what so interesting my Austin. It is still even people live around here. It's a visited place so <hes> you know we I live out in the hill cruncher on purpose and <hes> even over the past mantelet living back here for twelve years. I think this at this time and more even over the past few years everybody would want you to go meet them in Austin meet him awesome. Now people happily come out this direction 'cause I. I only lived twenty one miles from downtown but it could take up to an hour and twenty five hour and a half to get there so it's L._A.. Traffic in the middle of Texas <hes> but it's it is crazy but <hes> but no let me know when you're down here in the same thing you know if you guys <hes> we obviously have lots of different things you know we can talk about in the context of what you're doing. <hes> <hes> you know I think will announce soon will have hit our millions served. We actually already have we have we've been we've been more worried about. Just keep keep on doing. We're doing <hes> and then we're actually going to have an expansion probably by the end of the year formally in to the first responder <hes> you know fire Elliott community because it's just a it's a natural no progression and think Gary sinise foundation did a great job of making the little tweak to what they were doing and I think we can do a little bit of the same very cool and you're the on its own. I that wasn't what this but. You have a pretty interesting story too. I think so maybe down the line we can absolutely yeah sounds like a plant why thank you so so much and thanks for the thanks to the team and he did awesome. Thank you so much. Appreciate it the Glenn for coming on the show again we appreciate it any save rounds or alibis. I actually have one and it's one I went into watch right left. I don't care I would do this. Whether it was Republican or Democrat a Karaoke bar here had a watch party for the democratic debates where each room who was a different candidate and if you're undecided like each little karaoke rooms so there was like a biden room this room and I went to the one on the first night that had mayor Pete Buddha judge veteran himself and he proposed finally at the end of the night they touched on veteran issues for like thirty seconds which I don't even know if they did it all last night but <hes> he was talking about. They're talking about how this war has been going on in Iraq and Afghanistan for a long long time and he proposed. It's an interesting idea called like a three year sunset rule where what if from now on whenever we get into a conflict every three years on the anniversary that it started everyone in government like the Congress and the House of Rep they have to vote on it again. Are we renewing in this or not and if not whatever so so you can see exactly who voted to continue or discontinue it and then what the plan is from there I feel like I don't hate that idea of having to every few years revisit it reassessing revolt. It's an interesting concept to do it with a conflict and armed conflict. A war. I think is a little more difficult than if you just deal with legislation legislation because this is something that exists I mean a more recent example. The Patriot Act has a parts that are have the sunset clause. They just expire after a certain amount of time to do it with a conflict in theory. I think it's a great idea just to say all right if we need to stay. I need to know who's behind me. Who thinks we should stay there longer I don't? I know that it's ever been done with levels of that. There's levels of that with <hes> like congressional. Congressional budgets like how much you're going to put the defense budget and like what you're going going to authorize them line of accounting because that's what people don't really understand if you haven't been in the military that there is very specific lines of accounting. We're fund has to come from. It's not like the D._O._D.. They just throw one point six trillion dollars at the DOD and the D._O._D.. Gets decide how they do it. There's very specific lines of a county that are congressionally approved so whenever they had this there is a line of money that's going to Afghanistan and the war so improving those lines of accounting you are defacto rain the continuation the war which is why Rand Paul and some of the other tea party members got credit because they would constantly say no. We are not voting for this. I think though it would mean more to the people all because civilians aren't like what's the lines of account. I think it will make it easier for sure right. You don't have to follow that path to see like oh wait who right. I just wore who is against it. I just thought it was awesome. We don't have a congressional. We don't have a congressional declaration of war for the longest war in American history so no matter what what Congress is doing now so there's really seem to be matter. Everything is the executive branch for the most part yeah. We haven't had a declaration of war since World War Two interestingly enough. Did you know that while eleven mayor p your idea stupid <hes> but yeah no I just if we ever do declare actual war but you're right then but also then I would declare that you also have to declare some sort sorta if we're in it for this law technically we haven't declared war since World War Two guys that everything since it's just been considered technically an armed conflict the Vietnam War is that wasn't actually technically award was armed as a tie and there's really no end in sight with that because even if a Democrat like replaces is trump this time like in the next election. I can't imagine that any president is gonNA stand up there and be like you know what I want to reduce the powers of executive branch while I I have those powers right not at all wild anyway. I just thought it was interesting to me crazy Bernie Bernie my uncle Bernie also yeah that's it was just fun getting to know the important know who these people are in kind of a lot of welcome back to their their beliefs and really understand what the heck they're saying indeed. I have one saved round so next week weekend the P._J.'s Jays hosting the Northern Trust at Liberty National in Jersey City New Jersey also home of the Barstool Classic Tournament Finale on October Fifteenth and as I I was perusing the website as I want to do when I'm going to a golf event. I was reminded that the P._G._A. offers complimentary grounds passes to military veterans and their their friends so kate. If if you went and signed up you could get a complimentary pass for yourself in another Paso total passes and I was just curious from our discussion about the free parking or reserved parking p._G._A.. LOVES ABSA troops but do you love that. The P._G._A.. Loves the troops I do. 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Bonus Pod: Intelligence Matters Live Taping with Host Michael Morell

Intelligence Matters

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Bonus Pod: Intelligence Matters Live Taping with Host Michael Morell

"This is the intelligence matters podcast with former acting director of the CIA Michael Morell welcome to our latest bonus edition of intelligence matters earlier this week we hosted an intelligence matters live event at the Michael v Hayden Center at the Shaar School School at George Mason University. This wasn't unusual edition of the podcast because I was the one being interviewed by the executive producer of the podcast and CBS journalist analyst Olivia Gaza so in this case you get to hear from me. I'm Michael Morell and this is a bonus edition of intelligence matters. Welcome everybody and thank you for attending this live. Taping of intelligence matters a big. Thank you to the sharp school at The Hague in center Dean Roselle and Larry. Thank you for hosting US General Hayden Hayden. Thank you very much for being here. In the time that Michael has been hosting intelligence matters. I'm sure he's gotten used to asking all of the questions now. He's finally in the hospital to ask the questions as Larry mentioned you should know that Michael and I along with Jamie. Benson worked together on intelligence matters at CBS news from which we both get a paycheck. I for being a journalist analyst you. I think for vehemently denying that you are journalists sometimes appearances to the contrary so in keeping with the typical rhythm of intelligence matters letters I thought we would start out by an overview of Michael's career move to some of the big news of today and pressing issues of the moment and then talk about intelligence community specific diffic- challenges okay with you sure. Can I just say one thing though so this acting director thing when I was acting director director the second time my wife and I went out to dinner not far from here the difference between being the deputy director and the Director General Hayden noses. The director gets four security guys in two cars. When you're the deputy director you get to security guys in one car so as acting director I add four security guys in two cars so he pulls into this parking lot and there's a guy standing against the wall and he's looking at us and you can tell by the look on his face that he's thinking thinking who is this is Michelle Obama. Is this John Kerry who is so we pull in he's on my wife's side of the car she gets out and and he says to her is important and without missing a beach. She says Nah he's just acting important. That's Shuster. My my understanding is that you didn't actually grow up dreaming of joining the Central Intelligence Agency. You actually had a much more exotic attic line of work in mind. What was that so when I first went to college and I was a first generation college student. I wanted to be a lawyer so I was gonNA major in political science and then go to law school one of the requirements at the University of Akron which is where I went for Political Science degree degree was an economics class so I took an economics class in my freshman year and I fell in love with it and so he became an economics major and I fell in love of with economics as a science. I thought it not only explained the economy but I thought it explains Human Behavior and I wanted to go to Grad School and get a PhD Gi and teach at the university level. That's what I wanted to do. I had a professor who I think did some work for the agency never quite sure about that because he died right early in life and so. I was never able to talk about it as a finding that out I could probably but I didn't have time and he encouraged me to send a resume into the agency and here I was this kind of lower middle class kid from Akron who had never been to Washington. DC before and the agency easy invites me to come to Washington for two days of interview and I think you know what I'm going to Grad School. I know where I'm going. That's what I'm GONNA do but I've never been to Washington so I I will go to Washington on the tax payers diamonds nation's capital with no interest at all and working for the CIA in two days of interviews. I was blown away by the mission of the place. I was blown away by the capabilities that they were able to talk to me about this goes to you while you were interviewing very few turns out but but enough to get you interested and then I was most important blown away by the people that I met. It's not only the quality of the people I met but how nice everybody was how much of a family it was and that's one of the defining aspects of the place and they said to me. You know this Grad school thing that you keep on talking to everybody about if you come here. We'll take care of that so you can go to night school as soon as you arrive and we'll pay for that and if things go well after three or four years we'll send you back to school. fulltime will pay your tuition. We'll pay your salary which they turned out that they did and so I said yes never looked back effectively saving a school full of students from your collectors and economics late Yes. was there a particular moment or or person or event that you think was formative. That convinced you that you want to spend your career at the agency or were you just going to job to job. You know it's interesting. I did not feel comfortable. My first six or nine months. There was no on boarding program. When I joined the agency. There was no analytic training program. I didn't have my first training class until I was three years in and so I felt like a fish out of water and I actually thought about leaving in that first six six to nine months and then somehow somehow I felt better and stayed. No I think you know except for for those except for that initial few months. There wasn't a single day that I didn't want to go to work. Mary Beth we're here my wife she would tell you he's telling you the truth. I look forward to Monday's not Fridays so I don't think there was one particular moment. It was the nature of the work. It was the meaning of the work in terms of keeping the country safe. It's how intellectually stimulating it is and how intellectually challenging it is. The issues are never the same. They're different every day so it is a really remarkable place to work. You spent a large part of your career on the analytic excite the agency. Can you just tell us briefly about how that is distinct from the other things the agency does and how it informs some of the other thing that should agency basically does three things one is what I did which is called all source analysis so it's taking all of the information that's available to the US government and bringing it together with an expert who's been trained in how to do analysis and that person tries to make sense of it for the national security team for the the President United States for Congress Secretary State Secretary of Defense. That's all sorts analysis by the way that's where the CIA was was created. It was created because the United States of America had all the information that it needed to know that the Japanese were going to attack. Pearl Harbor wasn't put together. CIA was created needed to be the place where all that information came together. The second thing the agency does is what most people think of when they think of the agency is intelligence collection both recruiting human beings to spy for the United States and then some very special technical kinds of collection that we really can't talk about but but those those folks collect secret information that then goes into that pile that the intelligence analysts look at then the third thing the agency does which which is what what a Lotta movies are about is covert action or the president of the United States says to the agency as a policy objective that I want to achieve and I want. Aren't you see Ya to help but I want you to do it secretly and here's the activities that I'm authorizing you to do as part of this covert action. those are the three things there's this lore that analysts and operators at the agency in particular don't mix very well oil and water do you you think that that is true and if so why might that be the case so. I don't think they don't mix well. The cultures are very different different. I think the best way to think about how different cultures are is to look at the hiring profile to the hiring profile for an analyst analyst critical thinking skills Orland written communication skills and intellectual curiosity right not just understanding wanting to understand the service of the problem but wanting to understand her problem all of its depth and all of its complexity the hiring profile for operations officers on interpersonal skills incredibly incredibly strong interpersonal skills incredibly strong emotional intelligence skills and this is gonNA sound strange but self confidence to the point of overconfidence why because you can imagine that sitting across the table from another human being and trying to convince them to commit espionage against their own country is one of the hardest conversations you'll ever have and boy. If you don't have a lot of confidence you're not going to go anywhere near that conversation to completely different types of people you hire two completely different cultures and I think that's what makes the mix interesting. It's not there's not. I don't think any particular concern on either side about the other. Would you say that they're more enmeshed today than they may have saly absolutely and all along right. It just didn't happen when when director Brennan actually brought every all the pieces together it it had been in train long before that one observer one of the most fascinating elements of your career is that you happen to be with the you were with the president of the United States both on the day of the September eleventh attacks and on the day of the Bin Laden Raid what stands out to you about those days in particular and did it feel on the date of the Bin Laden Raid Book End to your experience in any way or did it it not quite provide the closer that you might have expected to so you know I I I remember nine eleven every minute of the day every detail of every minute of that day and quite frankly it would take three hours to walk through it all but I think to summit. I'd say it was it was a mixture of the intensity of doing my job with the surreal so an example sample of the intensity of doing my job the president asked to see me on the flight from Barksdale Air Force Base to off Air Force Base so it was president didn't me and Andy Card the White House chief of staff and the president looked me right in the eye and said Michael who did this on and I told the president that I had not seen any intelligence yet that would take two perpetrator and he said I understand the cat said what you're going to get as my personal opinion and he said Michael I understand the caveat and I move on. I told him Mr President there's two nation states with the ability to do this. Iran and Iraq but neither one has anything to gain in. Both of them have everything to lose from doing something like this. I said no when we get to the end of the trail. We're GONNA find al Qaeda and Osama bin. Laden and I told him I would bet my children's future on that. He then very quickly said. When will we know which is General Hayden knows kind of direct question that you get from a president particularly President Bush? There is no answer to that. When will we know so. I fell back on something that analysts rely on to a very significant if we can degree context provided them some context so I I said here's how long it took us. In previous attacks in east Africa bombings two days to figure out it was Al Qaeda. USS Cole several months to figure out it was Al Qaeda the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia almost a year to figure out the Iranians. We're behind that attack so I said Mr President. We may no sooner or then it may take some time that's is kind of the example of doing my job an example of the surreal and there were many many moments on final approach to andrews the president's and military aid was looking out the left side of the aircraft and he waved me over on and there was an F. Sixteen on the wingtip he said there from the DC Air National National Guard. There's another one on the other wing tip. The plane was so close you could see the pilot you could see the pilots facial features. You could see the pilot pilot looking at us in the distance you can see the still burning. Pentagon and then he said something that sent shivers up my spine he said. Do you know why why there because at that point all commercial flights in the United States were grounded and I said No. He said they're there in case somebody fires a surface to or missile at US on final approach. Their job is to put themselves between that missile and the president of the United States the bin Laden raid it wasn't it wasn't that it wasn't the day itself. I remember the most the two moments that I remember the most about the bin. Laden raid with the first the first time I heard about it so in August of two thousand ten the head of our counterterrorism center said said to director Panetta and to me. I need to see you alone soon after one of our three times a week meeting with them so he came into the director's office yes and he said we found this guy named. Abu Lachmann and that name meant nothing either one of us so he explained lane to Abu mid was he explained the compound where he was living. He explain what that compound to look like. Look like in that meeting. Nobody said had the word bin Laden but the hair on the back of my neck stood up because he had been very close to bin Laden prior to nine eleven and detainees had told us that he could be a courier for bin. Laden and one detainees even told us that he could be the kind of guy who could be living with bin Laden so that's one moment that I I really remember. The other moment I really remember is President Obama knowing that I was with President Bush on nine eleven set me to Dallas two weeks after to give if President Bush a full briefing on and by the way people don't know this but the very first phone call that President Obama made after we concluded that we indeed indeed had killed bin. Laden was the President Bush so I took with me the lead analyst who figured out where Bin Laden was and I took me I took with the Jason J. Three the guy who planned to the mission so they did all the talking. We spent two and a half hours with President Bush at the end by the way he was. He was like a kidney candy store. He wanted to know every single detail he remembered. Sir Data points that you who had told him briefed him on in this in this storyline and you know he wanted to know everything at the end. He said you know Lauren. I we're going to go to the movies tonight but this is better than any movie ever going to see we're staying home then he got up and he walked to his desk and he pulled out his commander in chief challenge coin and he slapped it in my hand and I saw closure in his eyes and that's when I fell closure for the first time you did what what goes through your mind when you hear news that such that was a confirmed by the White House this week that Hamza bin Laden bin Laden's son has been killed so this was actually something that was reported on several months ago right leaked several months ago and the death of bin Laden Hamza bin Laden actually taken place over a year ago so he was being groomed and to take over al Qaeda at some point and homes have bin Laden was was the son with the in the strongest belief in the ideology and he has quite a bit of charisma so him taking over the group. Someday was a significant risks or removing him from the battlefield wasn't absolutely good thing. I WANNA a close out the sanction on your career. I did try to solicit questions and some embarrassing stories from your former colleagues you either have very loyal colleagues or no embarrassing using stories because none of those were really forthcoming banks. Larry but more than a few suggested asking you about your experience with different different types of leadership different leaders types of leadership because the span of your CIA career was something like six presidents right but you worked very closely with with with two two of them and of course EA directors who had a range of personalities as well so can you tell us a little bit briefly what you took away from and the most effective styles of leadership and then maybe talk a little bit about how you and your team learn to adapt to those styles especially when they came one after another one word drastically different yeah so it's a great question. Nobody's ever asked me this so I think the chew do people who I learned the most from about running a large organization General Hayden and George Tenant and they had a very different approach. General Hayden's approach was was there was a big leadership ship piece if there was a very significant management piece. Let's figure out what we need to do. let's figure out how to get it done one and let's get it done and let's hold people accountable bright bringing them in to tell us how they're doing is a rem really affective management strategy so if you've asked somebody to make this up if you've asked somebody to find bin. Laden than having them come in once a week and and tell you how they're doing at finding bin. Laden puts a tremendous amount of pressure on them to get something done between last week and this week and I learned that from General Hayden the other person I learned a tremendous amount from was George Tenet who led by charisma you know who led by literally hugging people not just figuratively but literally and I think actually putting those two together. Those two pieces together is is what I tried to do every day last question in your career. Did you leave the agency thinking that you would go back one day. yes. I did that changed. you know. I was convinced that a certain candidate for president who's going to win and six o'clock on election night. She thought she was GonNa win and the current president thought he was going to lose and it turned turned out different just a few hours later so yeah. We'll revisit this question later on. I want to get to some of the drive. I was in Chicago the time teaching a class and not only did the cubs. Indians just devastating enough for me since I'm from Ohio but then the long drive home from Chicago two days after the election. We'll circle back to it. Let's talk about Saudi Arabia sure sure on situation flex. We have information that is still coming in. I want to set the scene a little bit by asking you. What if you were at your former former place of work. What questions would you be asking right now. Would you be asking analysts to look into right now. What would you be looking to equip policymakers wealth breath as they consider either escalation or alternative show. There's fundamental questions about first question is what happened right. What weapons were used in the attack and where did they come from and if if they didn't come directly from Iran did the Iranians have a role in where they did come from whether it was somewhere in Iraq or whether it was somewhere in Yemen right right so that's kind of question one question two is what are the Iranians thinking? If if the answer to question one is either came from Iran or they were involved involved right. What are the Iranians thinking helped the president think about that? What are they trying to achieve. Why did they do this and then I think step three. He is as the policy process moves forward to help policymakers think about the potential implications of their policy options so one policy option option is to do nothing. That's what the president chose the last time the Iranians attacked unmanned drone up palsy option in this case is to actually counterstrike. What are the what are the implications of each of those rights to the policymakers can think about it. Those are the kind of three the things I'd be focused on but I think the first one and what the what the intelligence community is probably wrestling with right now if they haven't already figured it out is what happened do you. You think they've already come into an assessment. I ask this because the secretary of state was pretty quick to point the finger at Iran definitively unequivocally. The president has been more recalcitrant on this run. Even the Saudis haven't said definitively that is so here's what I'll say I I find it. I find it hard to imagine that with all Lavar intelligence assets in the Middle East and even more importantly all of our military assets in the Middle East that we don't have had a pretty good understanding of what was fired whether it was a drone or cruise missile they fly at very very different rates of speed and where they came from anything that would be fired from Iran would show up on military radar so I I have. I think we have a pretty good sense but on the question of attribution. How murky does it get when for example it can be an Iranian made weapon. It can be staged from Iran but it may not. I have been to use the phrase. The Bourbon may not have pulled the trigger. How much does that make the show. If it's not Meron right if it's from Iraq or from Yemen which seems less and less likely but if from Iraq then you have to you have to you have to look into the relationship between in that particular group that launched it or fired it and the Iranians now I'll tell you with absolute certainty that the Iranians provide drones approach and the explosives that go on them and the training and how to operate them to the huskies. We know that the UN said that publicly which is why yeah I can say it publicly and so you know a lot of this in advance but if somebody else if a proxy is doing it for you the that the fact that makes it more difficult to attribute the attack to the ultimate source but you know it's pretty clear Shia militia Russia in Iraq or the WHO these in Yemen that that would ever wish was was fired was either provided the by the Iranians in whole or provided by the Iranians in pieces I WANNA ask about proportionality because it's been sort of a different question. as the Iranians have gotten more aggressive and yet still have taken actions that land be arguably below the threshold of armed conflict. What would you say what do you think is. The range of options being considered right now yeah so. I don't know what the range of options being considered but here's what I would. Here's what I would tell you what happened in a normal administration and I just say that because this one's one's a little abnormal and so I it's it's harder to think about what's actually happening right now. But in a normal administration you would make sure you've got the intelligence picture as good as you could get it assuming that took you to a launch from Iran or a launch from Araucanian proxy then you're going to figure out okay what do I what am I policy options. What do I WANNA do about this. Do I want to respond or not. I believe that we need to respond here. I think this was particularly. The attack occurred from Iran the attacker from Iran that is that is an act of war not just a terrorist attack an act of war so I think we have to deter the Iranians and and so I think we have to respond but there will be a debate about that that right the third thing I'd WanNa do is I would want to ensure there's proportionality because because there is a risk that that a US counterstrike on on the Iranians would take you to a larger war if the Iranians thought that a US counterstrike was going after their leadership or was designed for regime change then they might just let it all loose so you've got to be extraordinarily extraordinarily careful and be proportional and I think proportional in this case would be going after those sites where the missiles drones were launched launched from and maybe where they're stored and that's it. I mean somebody said to me earlier today. Would you go after the oil infrastructure in Iran. Absolutely not oil structure should be off elements and then the last thing I'd WanNa do or the two last things I'd want to do is I want would want some of our partners to come with us. I don't want the Brits to come with us or the French to come with us or the best outcome may be both because I wouldn't want this just to be the United States and then the last thing I do is I would prepare the intelligence case for public release so that after you took the action the president could say to the American people. Here's why we did this and they could have some confidence that there was a significant product here. You just address my question about credibility so I am going to just because there's a ton of stuff to ask about. I want to ask you about Afghanistan. The president has recently effectively declared the prospect for a deal as being dead. It's possible that will resurface especially after Afghan elections. He has suggested that he wants to leave. Some intelligence presence behind is that a sound nextstep step and insofar as we need to continue to seek out a deal with the Taliban. That's something that you think the Taliban would ever sign on so uh-huh in most countries in the world. There's an intelligence presence because there's an embassy our intelligence footprint in Afghanistan Understan- is bigger than just the embassy because we have military bases out of which we can operate if we withdraw all of our forces I'm from Afghanistan those military bases go away and our intelligence footprint get smaller so we would still have an intelligence agents capability unless the Taliban took over and we had to get out of the embassy which is what I think what what what would happen if we left militarily so so we have some intelligence capability for some period of time the other thing I'd say about Afghanistan. Is You know I don't. I don't trust the Taliban at all. I don't trust their their their claim that they will no longer work with al Qaeda that they will renounce Kinda that they will not provide safe haven to al Qaeda. There's a great story that Long Journal just put out today about the Taliban providing significant explosives to al Qaeda to conduct attacks in Afghanistan and this is happening while we're negotiating with them and this is happening running wild. They're being invited to Camp David. The relationship between the Taliban and Al Qaeda is close. They have fought together for a very long time. They have fought together prior to nine eleven and ever since nine eleven. They have shed blood together. Their families have intermarried. They're extraordinarily close. There's GonNa be no separation between the two and you think that that sinks prospects for a deal no matter what it is. There's one to be struck. Look I think the folks who negotiated the Vietnamese. These peace in Paris knew exactly what was going to happen when we left that the north Vietnamese would not live up to their commitment not to send troops south two years later the the embassy in Saigon fell. I think the people embarrassed knew that and I think I think you know a good number of the people negotiating rating with the Taliban knew exactly what was going to happen. If the United States left take over again so there's really two choices you have. I think one choice is to stay and one choice is to make the argument that staying in Afghanistan for the long term arm is the equivalent of US forces being in western Europe during the Cold War or U. S. forces being in South Korea for the last X. It's number of years that this this is a long term commitment on so that's one option and if that's not politically feasible and I'm the first one to tell you that what if you're GONNA put American forces somewhere. It's gotta be it's gotTa be acceptable to the American public so if it's not then the your your second best choice this is to build the capability somewhere in the region. I don't know where that would be but build a capability somewhere in the region where you can watch Al Kite in Isis and you can you can have a military capability to degrade them. If you need you want to stay on the topic of deals but I wanNA switch to you North Korea just because it's the whole globe to talk about. Is there value do you think in the president closing and I to some of the short range missile and other weapons tests that Kim Jong John and his carried out do you think that that is an instance of Kim pocketing a period of American benevolence or do you think that that is laying useful groundwork for potential. The future nuclear talks. I mean abroad and the question is a little bit. I'm going to say that that I think there's an argument for a president to chairman relationship and maybe it's a little bit. Maybe mine would be a little but different than the president's but it's it. I think it's impossible to overstate the degree of distrust crossed in North Korea of the United States. The reason that Kim Jong UN has these weapons is because he's so distrust. United States believes leave the United States wants to overthrow him in his regime and reunite the peninsula on the south terms. That's why he has these weapons and so if you're GONNA in a breakdown that if you're going to get to a deal someday on strategic weapons you've got a breakdown that distrust and I think president to chairman is a way to do that. Bill Clinton was thinking of going at the end of his presidency was thinking of going to North Korea. President trump wasn't the first one to think about think about it a at a personal relationship as a start here. I think where the administration has failed is that they haven't taken that relationship that that the president and Kim have built and turn it into a negotiation and so the it's not it's not the short range stuff that concerns orange me. It's the fact that they continue to make facade material for nuclear weapons and they continue their long-term ballistic missile development now they're not testing but they're still working on everything and they're still adding to their stockpile so Kim's pocketing that and he's pocketing the domestic political benefits of being mm scene with the president of the United States and pocketing the the international legitimacy that comes with that so our failure has been the failure to turn that relationship into Goshi and so I think it's coming upon the president basically say to Kim look. Our relationship is going to be over unless we get to negotiations. That's why we're we're talking. Do you think you should go to Pyongyang. I don't think he should go to Pyongyang. He's been I think he should pick up the phone and call him or send him a letter. That says dude right. The reason reason the reason that we have this relationship is to get to negotiations. Let's do that or this. Relationship is over China. Maybe not those exact word that idea dude diplomat China just because I've heard you plenty of other senior. National Security officials say that it is the the top long term strategic threat facing this country relative to where we were at the start of this administration and since the release of national security strategy in two thousand seventeen gene. Do you think that we are better than we were vis-a-vis China and are we thinking more clearly about what needs to be done. I don't think so look I think this is the most important bilateral relationship in the world for what the world's going to look like in ten twenty thirty years and it is the most important because the range of outcomes in this relationship is so large you know ranging from the kind of cooperation we saw between President Obama and she paying on climate change all the way to war and the other end of the spectrum and I think there are a couple of things that are pulling us in the right direction and a couple of things pulling us in the wrong direction on that spectrum. I think one of the one of the things pulling us in the right direction and I think we should take advantage of this. The last trip I took as deputy director was to China and I came back and I said what about outrage to say to you to President Obama is I saw plenty of of areas of national security where Chinese and American interests overlapped the Middle East is a great example. The Middle East is stability in the Middle East is every bit as important if not more important China than is to the United States on they they don't want they're unhappy that the North Koreans have nuclear weapons they're worried about instability on the Korean Peninsula so there are there here and I could go through some others. There are plenty of places where we could be working with them on an on an intelligence front I diplomatic front and then even a military front someday and I think that would help pull us in the right direction. You know there's there's a couple of things that are playing in the wrong direction. Strongly one is that is that the economics the whole thing so you know it used to be that we fit together like hand in glove. You know we were complements to each other. They they were twenty five years ago. They were labor rich. We were capital rich. Those two things go together no surprise that there was an explosion in trade when they joined the WTO with labor intensive goods coming this way and capital intensive goods gone that way but no we're no. We're no longer compliments where competitors orders and were competitors in those industries of the future that not only will define what what the future economy looks like but also happened to be the bread and butter of what future intelligent systems and future military systems are. GonNa look like and then the other and the most important is is there the rising power. We're the status. Atas quo power because they're rising power they have. They want a greater say in the world around them. Guess who has that say today we do. We don't want to give it up. How does that get resolved oft so and I don't think the I don't think this administration has done anything about that. Big Strategic Problem I talked about we're we're very narrowly focused on trade and trade deficits and you know steel aluminum and and when we should be worried about about other things on the economic front and we should be worried about this bigger strategic strides made on the security front not to come to the administration's defense but I also have time as a minute so I wanna ask you about a big story that happened last week on on reports of the exfiltration exploration of a C. I. C. I. A. Asset from Russia who we understand to be integral to the intelligence communities assessment in two thousand sixteen about Putin strategic intentions. I WanNa ask you about a particular angle of those stories because there was some media speculation that this individual was living in the United States under their real name under what circumstances would the agency abide former asset living under his or her real name. I'm not going to answer that question. I'm not going to answer that question. Here's the question I will answer so what what struck me about this whole thing. Is You know when when the story first broke. CNN says that the reason this asset they said they use the word extracted attracted by the way the word is exfiltrated which gave me a gave me a moment of pause and wonder about the quality of their sources mm-hmm but they said we see did this because the CIA couldn't trust the president of the United States the CIA categorically denied that but CNN went ahead with the story anyway that struck me the other thing that struck me was two days later when the New York Times wrote their own own piece about it. They said that the reason he was exfiltrated is because of news stories that came out right after the intelligence community assessment about Russia's interference in the election came out which is true the Washington Post reported that one of the sources for Putin Hooton ordering this was a high level source in in in in Moscow so what struck me was at first the media media and I know I'm part of the media now but I'm going to critique on ourselves here at I immediately said the president wants to blame but it turns out at the end of the day that the media was to blame and I think that the agency I don't think I don't think there's a public need to know that the CIA AH has a source in Moscow who was part of the information chain on for the. I don't think that's in the public interest. I think that it's irresponsible to publish that information. You may have a different view on but that's what I think and that's what struck me about the whole story one last chance to answer the actual question fashions and I do disagree with some of your car insurance. I'm sure I'm sure you do look no along. We we believe me. We go out like this. All the time. Look I think that that at the end of the day at the end of the day a ex-film people all the time all the time and at the end of the day you let it be their choice ace as to how they WANNA handle their new life. You advise them even if that imperils our safety you advise them about what that means for their safety. You encourage them. You push them but you don't dictate okay. I want to ask a smattering of questions before we open open it up to the audience about the in particular you and amy's Ebert wrote an interesting piece about this dramatically different threat landscape that the intelligence agencies agencies in particular are facing given this advent acceleration of new technologies like I like biotechnology satellite technologies. It's effectively eroded America's intelligence lead. What is your sense of the recognition within the I see more broadly of this issue and whether things things are being put in place rapidly so I think it's recognized Gina Hassle the director. CIA at Auburn University was asked a question what worries you the most and sure her answer was keeping up with the changing technology blender style the general counsel at Nsa just wrote what an op-ed where he argued the same thing sue Gordon who just left the job the number two in the DA's office has been talking about this for the the last several years so I think there is a ready Brek ignition. I think the community is moving very slowly. What implications does is it half collection. Either sort of big witness surveillance means you know how do you how do you recruit and Ryan who may be subject to facial recognition printing and so here's a here's a here's the implication right of all this new technology has two impacts on you the intelligence community one. It makes some of the things that you do harder so. CIA officers travelling under alias is a lot harder with facial usual recognition or biometrics obviously but it also creates opportunities for you to collect that you didn't have before so question one is how do you mitigate what it puts at risk and how do you take advantage of the opportunities that creates so that's one affect the second effect it has is it gives this capability gives opportunity for capability to the adversaries so all of a sudden there are thirty some countries in the world now than imagery capability take pictures satellite pictures of the earth that wasn't true five years ago so it creates opportunities for the other guys to get on a level playing field with you and I think the other impact that it has it doesn't get talked about very much is is as as General Hayden. Larry knows we've you've got in the intelligence community people who are real experts at nuclear weapons technology at missile technology. I mean some of the best people on the planet. We're going to need those same kind of people for a for biotechnology for quantum computing probably have those. NSA But we're going to need real experts with a depth of expertise on those issues so we can talk talk intelligently and be able to put things in context in terms of what the Chinese might be doing is with Russians might be doing you challenge. You mentioned Sue Gordon who had her eye. I on this we had pretty stable stewardship of the until relatively recently we saw the sort of abrupt ouster of both Dan Coats and Sue Gordon last month what have you heard about what impact that's had on the if any and what are the leadership change like that generally dude if things like morale recruitment continuity I mean maybe there's no material effect. I don't know you tell me you know I. I don't know I don't interact on a daily basis. You know with with folks in the community and when I do I don't because I'm with the media. I tend not to ask the questions. You would ask give you were with him. As I want to come across like I'm trying to collect information. I don't ask them about that. You know my sense and so my sense is that they've kind of gotten used to this president that when he does when he says something about the intelligence community that is not appropriate that there's more of an eye roll now than there is concern and I think ah some of the some of the younger people that I have talked to the sense I get from them. Is that is that this will pass. He won't be president forever and we're going to be here for a lot longer than he is. I think there's a little bit there. There might be a little bit more of an outflow at more senior levels because of this but again it's hard to say because I have not looked at it in a very scientist boy I wanna ask you specifically about the apparent posture that Gina Hassle director of the CIA has adopted and that is one of pretty limited visibility we don't. I know a whole lot about her. Vision for the agencies made very few public appearances. Let alone statements what are the pros and cons of doing that is your sense that she should be doing more in this moment so she has clearly chosen look and being being cabinet member senior principal and his administration cannot be easy particularly when you speak publicly and particularly if you're an intelligence officer and particularly when the media asked us so what about Iran what about North Korea what about about Afghanistan you know when you win when you do speak publicly and you get asked those questions the way you should answer. Them is the way your analysts. Would you know without the classified details but in administration there's a real risk that when you do that you may be the subject of a tweet the next day and if you lean towards what the president would like you to say then you're leading your organization down and you're not doing your job by the way and you're employ designing intelligence but if you lean towards your building and what you should be doing saying here's what the analysts think then then you put your relationship with your boss at risk so clearly. She's seen this this world right and it's decided. I'm going to keep my mouth shut on it is too much the risk to speak publicly when she has on two occasions they've actually scripted the QNA's so that you have to write questions down right and then they kind it goes through the questions before they figure out which ones they want to ask her so the whole thing is scripted. Here's what you lose. I think you lose two things I think transparency by the leadership of the ICS very important for two reasons and you've both of them one is I think it's very important written for the leadership of the to talk about the issues that you and I have been talking about. It's really important to know on an on an unclassified basis what CIA thanks thanks what do ya thanks because then frames the public debate about those issues in a way that it doesn't do if you're not out there talking you lose that the other thing you lose is these are secret intelligence organizations operating in a democracy and the American people need need some confidence that they're being run well and being run wisely and being run legally and putting the leader of an agency Z. or the community out there on a regular basis to be seen in heard on and coming across. Well you know gives the American people confidence. The community is doing what supposed to do and you lose that too so she's in a unique position as a current. You're in a unique position as a former although not as unique as it used to be. I just want to ask you before I swear to opening it up to the audience you know what does your calculus look like you. When you speak publicly you can either talk only about the facts you can talk about sort of the political moment that we're in you can talk about you can sort of peel back a bit of the curtain of what the intelligence community does and is actually like some formers have gone more in one direction than the other. How do you again make that Calculus and have some of your fellow former. I made the wrong decision and how much they've said so. I think everybody's different right. the calculus that that I that that I've come to over time is to is to critique policy and not the person and the reason that I've critique whatever intelligence policy national security policy whatever it is but not the person and the reason I I've chosen that is because I think if I critique the person than half of America's not gonNA listen to me about my critiques of policy so it's more of a of an attempt to reach more people than it is fear of being tweeted about but that's the calculus. I've made you you made a calculus in two thousand sixteen to Endorse Secretary Clinton. You've since talked about that and said there were downsides to doing. So what is your thinking going into twenty eight twenty. Do you see yourself. Openly endorsing somebody or do you see yourself. I don't know yet. I don't know yet we'll see the who the nominee is now. 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Robert O'Neill, author of The Operator: Firing the Shots that Killed Osama bin Laden and My Years as a SEAL Team Warrior

The Gerry Callahan Podcast

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Robert O'Neill, author of The Operator: Firing the Shots that Killed Osama bin Laden and My Years as a SEAL Team Warrior

"Weekend Edition of the Callahan. Podcast this is a good one. We got finally got a hold a Robert. O'neill the operator the man who killed Bin Laden. We're trying to get a pro while interesting guy with a lot of stories. A lot of opinions. Scott nutrients here. Scott Newton has. He's hung out with Robert O'Neill and so of I but together we got a chance to sit down and talk to Robert O'Neill on the Callahan puck gets. This is the Gerry Callahan. Podcast while I can't tell you how excited I meant I am. We've been trying to get this guy on a couple of months. He was the first guest I wanted to get when we started this podcast way back when we finally got him. Thanks impart mute man. But we're joined now by the One and only Robert O'Neill Arab what's going on. Thanks for joining us. Of course me I gotta I gotTa start out by by reminding you that we've met that. Tell the story about the day we met we were in Arizona. I was there for the Super Bowl with the Patriots. You were there as a you know as a celebrity doing some speaking which I from what I understand. You're really good at But I saw you in the bar. The hotel bar I was with my coast at the time. Kirkman and I said I gotta buy him a beer. That's that's the man you know. That's the man who shot bin Laden and he's like no we're looking up and it was you so go up. I said I gotTA Buy Your Beer. Said no you're not and you would not let me buy you a beer. Insisted on by me one or two or three might have been three and we hung out with your old man. Your father was with you and I have to say and this is A. You didn't know what you didn't care. I watched you in this crowded bar deal with a hundred people who are just all over you and I don't think I've ever seen a celebrity handle a crowd better yet. You were really good at it. I assume already comfortable being the big big big celebrity that you are yes well it's It takes getting used to especially after the career that I had before what I'm doing now because we're used to. No one knew who were in the shadows. Don't make any headlines for many many years. Intel couple big missions. Come along we we. We were involved the rescue the lone survivor. We rescued Phillips Did line rate and SORTA came out who we were but then I got to meet some people that told me in a crowd matter what you always. You always need to treat everyone with respect because when you're if you're if you're having a bad day and you're rude to one person that Dude GonNa go home and tell that you're a real dick and I but I truly enjoy people I love being around. People Specimens sportspeople super borders a great environments football guys. There's a lot of fun and this is I really enjoy it because I get to talk to. Thousands of people used to talk to thousands of people a week in other. It'll come back again. Wants to cancel but I I kind of get the pulse of how people really feel about everything. We talk everything from sports politics religion. And you Kinda get the feel that most people actually get people and they really care about each other. They get along. So it's it's refreshing for me and I really have thought one one of the things I will ask all the time. Did you get in trouble for revealing too much? Not remain remaining under the under the radar but one of the things we talked about. I don't even know why. Remember we were rating Fox chicks you know because you've been on Fox a lot and we're talking about who favorite. I think you said Kimberly. Guilfoil the time Unloaded t still your favorite. She's not there anymore. But we were going over your favorites because you've met a bunch of them and I've watched them all the time and and I think we agreed. You Know Megan. Kelly was in the mix at the time I wasn't married then I am now too so what I'll I do watch them on. Tv now. And I know her well. She's dating Donald Trump. And I've seen I've seen her since he's transitioned to the campaign trail. Megan's awesome too and I met most of us. I really not just Fox people at other stations there. I bet you really well by their their to rate them. Yeah I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'm GonNa stay married. He's GonNa Choose the St Mary to not answer that question. You know. It's it's funny Jerry. You mentioned the time like when I met ROB. It was with our mutual friend Chris Birch. Who's absolute superstar in general and We were hanging out and I was with a bunch of CO workers and they were so impressed and the funny thing. He talked about the transition. We ended up going to dinner at Davos and they ended up running rob Gronkowski and grow and Gronk was kind of a dick to him and the one guy who is with us at obviously had a couple of cocktails and it was just like. You're no fucking hero fucking Robert New. He's he tried to fight on Dob. Yo So it's a good way I mean I don't recommend going after Rob Gronkowski but I mean it is a testament to you and how cool he thought you were and the hero and everything. I thought that was a pretty money. Transition Desperately Funny Grand Garage. Just a physical beast. Obviously that's like you know those are the kind of guys like you're GonNa Fight Gronkowski and the gun to. Let's let's go completely juvenile now. Would who would win a fight and Rob Gronkowski Rob? O'neill you are remarkably normal looking. It's hard to believe you are this. This been a bad ass because you just don't look the part especially when your arms covenant we don't get to see the task she just looked so so when you look for Lee went guy. That's the thing about a lot of guys in the seal team's and then in forces is a is a lot of the guys are normal but they just get it and they they know it's more of the mindset a lot of its physical When I went through seal training I was nineteen years old and thought invincible and I. I know that a day of sealed train is probably harder than than than a lot too. Is You know unless you plan for. Lsu In the summertime heat yeah it just You know it's it's a team thing. We have our one percent of. Is that a complete physical freaks and you know the guys. I'm the guy drink all night Smoke CIGARS THAN RUN five minute miles at four thirty in the morning but most is our normal dusit have really good mindset. That very goal oriented. I don't need to make it to Friday. I need to make a breakfast tied guys. You do they. Do they resent you? Because you know you've heard this question a lot. Read your book. It's great by the way we'll get to the book. There's some things that are redacted but a lot isn't reveal more than I thought you were allowed to to be honest with you other other seals or just other military guys that present how much I'll open you've been possibly but I mean a lot of a lot of a lot of military dudes if you took if you took ten dump trucks full of cash and dumped it in ten different Reagan. Veterans by bits of her driveway was blocked. They'RE NOT GONNA. They're not gonNA care mom especially about the bin. Laden raid and the other rates was the first one written submitted to the Pentagon the Department of Defense for approval. And I'll be perfectly honest when I got what you do. You write the manuscript then you submit it and it goes to the chain of process. Now you're working with the government so you may never get it back. It makes a seven years. They may REDAC- Fifty or seventy pages. When I got back I was surprised the stuff that they let me say and I don't know I don't know if they just I mean it's the truth and he knows the truth and I think just because like my mindset of positivist avoiding the negativity in the haters what you think in me has none of my business type stuff but I would just honest about everything in I. I was good to people like a lot of people on the right delights to admit president. Obama made the call he did and he did a great job at but there was Republicans there to the right and left. I was honest Did a great job the I. The pilots were amazing. The aircrew was amazing The agencies found him or amazing and I think just because it was a good positive story but also that I'm the first to admit that I might kill bin Laden because the guy in front of me went right and I went right. You know and It's a good idea is a good positive. American story like a dude from Butte Montana. Can't swims become a navy seal and in the bedroom but wasn't a credible story and it feels like forrest. Gump because you're you're in the middle of everything you're As you point out during this Mission Marcus Luttrell Captain Phillips which is very intense. You tell all these stories. Is there lovie coming out of this because it seems tailor-made I don't WanNa play you but it seems like there's gotTa be a movie. I think so I haven't heard much. There's been rumors flying around here and there. But nothing's been through so I don't. I don't know anything on that. But who's WHO's GonNa blaming high good joke. I always say I want to play me if people say why. Funny See I wanted to ask you since you've already had the the Zero dark thirty. And the Captain Phillips have with the Hollywood portrayals. Have you liked the guys that have played you or you like that guy's a pussy like I don't want him to be represented? They did a really good job. Walberg Mark Ward. It was incredible when he played marcus. that's great. You'll be very realistic. The seals that were portrayed in capital of some of them are actual seals. They did offer the best thing. They did gap. Phillips is a after they took the shot all they did was put on their weapons up and turn around and go inside. And that's Kinda what happens is I wasn't one of the shooter's on that one. But one of my best friends was and this is before bin Laden and he was this guy was the sniper was also Andrei with me and then the other guys but that was I wanted to and said that this is the biggest thing the biggest mission the history of the seal team than you did it and he said cool. Can we go home? And that's kind of what the only issue ahead in zero dark thirty. When they were playing horseshoes. They had a pop collars. Like that's not us don't you you said. I think you told me at the time Jessica chastain that was for Real. She was a real hero. A real big Part of that whole thing and without her. What makes that movie great? And it's like if if even if I'm walking with Jim and Zero Thirties on. I'm going to stop and watch it and I've seen it because it's it's Jessica chastain portrayed the Real Maya so well that It's the data. The research occur in that that she's one of the people I've ever met. And that's what you give up her life to find him Didn't get married. Didn't have kids. Cheap works all the time to find Bin Laden and she did and she was and she was the same way when when we when we brought in to her she just kind of Louisville car that to be honest what she said. Was this effect. Gassed I can say this town and her life were right. There assigned fucking job. That's for real you mentioned lone survivor. And it's a good movie but it bothered me. How they just changed the anthem. You just said you know. This real ending isn't good enough. Let's change the end. Had come in with the shoppers and everything instead of just having him escape. Yeah majors in this woman. Got Him on the ground. I don't believe there was it was more of a whole bunch of us have been walking through the mountains for a few days awake In the in the know nothing better. Marcus went through. But it's a very hot and very very stupid scary and the We were trying to find all our vegas job. My squadron was to go to the crash site and the guys that did that had recovered. The bodies out specific Even one of one of the shitty stories about that was A guy named Lou was at the crash site and he said he was walking away and he said I never. I never want to die like that. And then he was on the helicopter. Extortion won seven in August. Eleven that he died just like they get shot now. There's some sad stories in there but all in all that's a that's a great movie. The only thing that they couldn't do make the mountains rugged as they actually were but the incredible movie great actors. That was all. It was incredible. Are You surprised that you've survived that you're still alive? I'm surprised that I I'd never got hurt in over four hundred Mrs Four theaters of war known in my team or I might team niner. Eleven or myself was ever heard. No one got shot in on got blow up. My wife actually calls me the luckiest unlucky guy in the world. And it's funny. You mentioned forrest gump because I had a bay message You like the forrest gump of the Navy on the you're not as good looking at. You can't run near as fast now on on twitter. You're active and I know you're speaking you're you see on TV and you're really good. Follow all going to give you that because it's real as raw opinions when things happen like with China. You're you're right there with a real opinion. You're not a neo con. You're against you WANNA get out of Afghanistan and I listen to you. I mean you've been there. Your your opinion is valid as any and I always stuck mentioned this few times on the radio on the podcast reading reading. Your book is all kinds. It could stuff in there but you amazed me with the story about Afghanistan that how different they are and how the cultures just not like ours and you said at one point. I Dunno if you lost hope for the country but you said that somebody met and worked with believed that the sundown was a dragon going up blowing out the sun. A real story and They really and I don't know where they come up with us today. Obviously to get bits of Intel. It's elegance from somewhere but these these villagers in Bali were saying that the drag as a dragon that comes up every morning and Spitzer a jewel into the sky that lights the Sun and the only way to kill him is with german-made beef fifty twos and those don't exist we make B fifty. Two's spoke. We heard them say this. An and some of US came up with an idea that if if we win their we'll tell them we'll tell them you tell us where the bad guys. Taliban al-Qaeda are we'll take care of them and we guarantee the Sun will come up tomorrow. 'cause we'll take care of the dryer and we there are bosses that well. That's just ridiculous. Like and if we I mean 'cause I know this coming up tomorrow we tell if it was because of us. They believe us. Maybe I don't know. Let's think outside the box tickets. You think it's hopeless mission in Afghanistan not hopeless. But we're never going to put American you know. Jeffersonian democracy in the Corn Belt Valley like they will be tried to build a road through the valley and the people died trying and we never did get halfway there. They don't want it and and it doesn't matter how long it doesn't matter what your intentions are. If you if you stay somewhere wrong enough you are unveiled an occupier. And that's just the way it works so some. Some sort of democracy can work in the capital Kabul in the cities because a lot of these young younger people they turns out they do like music and they like the Internet and they liked twitter. And so you can keep it there in the basement but on the valleys where they don't know it's hard to describe side. I don't WanNa sound because some of the the people that I've met in these valleys are are the most gracious people in the world. They they would literally die for you if you ask for help. But they don't they don't know what time is the they don't know how they what they're if you're not going to go in there and say hey look at us look at the red white and blue. Let's all vote rob. If they don't want you build the schools in the capital. The schools we find the best river valley for years. And then we we left and we left all our treadmills. Their dollar hess goes in buildings there. Now we're just GONNA now. They're back. They have extra wooden. So you'd be okay getting all of our guys all of our people out tomorrow. I don't think getting all of the guys out. I think which you need to do. Is We got a place? a ballgame airfield and Jalalabad airfield. Where you can keep air power and can keep agency people and you can look for high value targets in Pakistan things like that and if the training camps build up. Isis has an uprising. You can use. It's like it's like a aircraft carrier on land airforce base. You can bomb them that way but you don't need them you know twenty five year old dudes driving around 'em wraps worried about getting blown up What do you comprehend the problem is? We're not good at closed. We never have been acceptable to you. Know that in a cordless a lot of people were both are to the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven. Do you feel that? We're you know we're safer than you think. Our our counterterrorism measures in Hauer hauer running thing in the government. Is there any we can do? Do it better where we can win. Hearts and minds or is that a a hopeless thing to to dream for well hearts and minds is we just do it wrong. The hearts and minds isn't bringing someone into living room and feeding of tea and cookies. The hearts and minds is stimulating. Their economy we were doing that. Jalalabad Aghanistan will be. We actually bought a big house of Small Hotel. We bought him. And then we hire local security. We hired local attrition local plumbers. We hire cooks and we shopped in the bazaars. And you know you're spreading money around people that people are protected and regardless of the political affiliation. Most people WANNA take care of their families. And that's what these people want to do. What we can do is there's different ways to do it. A surge in Iraq works for Amber Province. When we're trying to keep al Qaeda out of the Suny families houses but it's not gonNa work in Afghanistan and we try the problem with the government. Is They have a tendency to say. This is the way we've always done and it's just it doesn't always work that way what we're doing some work but people are are agencies as far as counterintelligence are people are so worried about their share of the Pie. Don't WANNA share intelligence and we had that on nine eleven were. Fbi knew this that and and and they just create more security if they would share intelligence not worried about who gets credit than yeah. We'll be okay. The issue is were the other than New York Boston. Parts of Pennsylvania and some some parts believe me of DC. Most people keep forgetting. Never forget and you know I would never want another nine eleven but I would do another nine twelve where you can't just let politics run your life. You gotta you gotTa think of the bigger picture and partying up. I don't WanNa get me there falling on twitter you can get political editor and twitter to you gotTa figure. I do that with a grain of salt. I'm serious about most of it. I'm just trying to get a rise out of people to start fights. I won last. That you're brilliant by watching people fights. I can talk about Allah Butte Montana and within three reach weeks there. Yelling about trump doesn't matter what you say trump or in New England. It goes back to two guys rob and he goes back to trump brady one or the other meetings get. Yeah we gotTa Talk About Rickety. I WANT TO ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. What Afghanistan. I think you addressed this in your book. But did you have to befriend. Did you have to get along with pedophile? Because of the different cultures so different that was accepted or at least ignored over there over here. You know there were a bunch of Jeffrey Epstein's in the Afghan military correct it. Yeah Yeah Yeah. They weren't Lolitas that these guys were going after all right. It's there's some cultures over there where yet phileas accepted and not only that but In the inner family stuff. And it's it's It's it's it's largely ignored a lot of the stuff that goes on Like I said I mean. They're they're not like us and that's horrible. No it's not. It's not as rampant as people like say he's coming from this country and not seeing if it being aware of it. It's it's disturbing. I had A. I had a guy that I was working with my first over there. He was an Afghan. He was Larry. I call them our executive pronounce his name. And I said you don't have sex with all your animals do you. And he goes nuts males that would be disgusting stories of people. Like you're not hiring but they don't believe me because we live under that blanket of normalcy is You know it's it's just a normal. I guess you're forty four. Do you in your lifetime. We the United States will be at war with China. I don't think I don't think were conventional wars. We know it. I think we already ours. We already are at a trade war there already stealing everything they can from us I know that they have a lot of spies in our universities so restored at work with an arm ahead war. I hope not but we win that pretty easy. We're we're designed to fight large armies and we're really good at S- yeah is I just hope not. It'd be it'd be a shame because you know China's China's trying to kick us out of the South China Sea right now they wanna cut off that shipping routes. That's that's what they're building on the the the building in and and Creating biological weapons which we're seeing right now is what. I wonder I like you. I got like you've seen the best and you know you've seen everything what disappoints you the most about the United States about about life in these United States. Obviously some crazy shit. Right now What disappoints you about the country. You were willing to give your life for extreme political correctness is is is killings because you can't stay anything without being labeled something and that's just a that's a shame like how would I when I give my talk one of the one. The biggest points that I make is in it will in selection training for seal team six. We do really advanced tactics. It's very hard physically very very hard emotionally and mentally and even when you think you did something perfect on a long like a we call them. House runs wonder house. Clearing Swat teams. Do as soon as you're done you can get punished with my tire. Drags row climbs all the stuff in one hundred With body armor and helmet. Everyone knows you didn't screw up. But they just punish you for screwing up and the point is can you get over it so a Have PEOPLE IN LIFE is get over it. Whatever it is. Get over it Wiki can't even wear a halloween costume of someone be offended. You can't tell can't tell the truth about something without being deemed xenophobia. Islamaphobia a racist Zena photos. But you'll have your man rules. I see those occasionally I. I don't know if that's your next book man rules give us give us your number one man rule. I is get over it and over it. Yeah and then. I don't know I have a bunch of I WANNA ask about so you know. I've read your book. David Goggin says a great book can't hurt me. We've read obviously long survivor. I've read extreme ownership by Jaakko Bunch of great these great books written by former seals guys but they always loved to talk about buds training at us. Normal everyday pussies can't get over the fact that you know you guys actually did this stuff My thing is you talk. You mentioned this earlier but you're a guy from now. How did you become proficient enough swimming to become a seal because that's stuff you have to go underwater in tile these different notch just to qualify? And you get kicked out. If you don't do it did you. How did you get so proficient in swimming? If you've never did it well I I didn't get necessarily proficient I. I had a local guy look in Butte Montana. Teach me to pool how to swim two strokes and the breastroke on the side stroke so I got pretty good at those without fins and it was kind of lucky that I didn't have a lot of experience in the water because I knew that and again it was a mindset the recently the tie you up Tire hands behind your back entire feet together at throw in the water and the drills are doing is just make you exhale to prove the sink to the bottom kick up inhale. Xl Sink at a floating tied up in a pool is very difficult and then either yet to swim a couple of hundred meters tied up so but once you learn the point is all they're teaching. You is panicking is not going to help and is not your friend right now. So stay calm. And that's how the teachers the Communist is obviously being able to hold your breath Recommend doing breath hold see how long ultra breath you can you? Can you can build that those muscles up to get better better at. But if you just learned that if you're worried about something that your worries not GonNa help you're wasting your energy stock worried about like on the flight into to give in Laden. I thought we might get shot down but me worrying about missiles not. GonNa Stop the missile. So I'm not gonNA worry about so. They're just teaching us to stay calm. And under the ways they come is slow down and actually slowing down will speed you up. Slowest with smooth is fast. So once you start rushing you start screwing stuff up if you just so. It's like okay with golf the slower you swing the further. He goes all the golfers. Make when you're not. Hey next time just hit harder. You'll be funny did you. You thought you were going to die on the bin Laden raid was that a normal thing. Did you was like that? That was is that unusual. That was unusual on on. Maybe a handful of other missions. I I thought we might die just because it escalated very quickly and and something happened that we expect but the Bin Laden Ray we. We knew that we were probably going to die. Would we tell wait? We told each other wasn't like hey we're going to die tonight. It's like you just yes realized. This is a one way mission. But we're doing it. We're we're going because the the people in the towers the people on Flight Ninety three to file a Pentagon. They deserve it. We're going to now if I'm used. His wife is wife as a human shield. Yeah hasn't wife. Why not shoot her to? This is actually a real people and I was so close to them when I shot the line and it was such an easy shot. Because he's he was six four. She was five four so as an easy shot for me and I was so close to. I could tell she wasn't rigged with a with a bomb in end up and there was no there was no need for it. You know it's interesting to is. Is she wrote an article while she was Pakistan? After the raid that matches my book from the other end. Craze kidding. Wow It's interesting as hell and I see in me and having you know. Never lose sense of humor. That's another man roles maybe like I think it's funny that belonged to let the twenty eight year old wife sleep in bed with him and the two fifty year old set asleep downstairs. How many people? How many of them the enemy did. Did you guys kill that? He had some bodyguards. Were killed five. Total we at we killed the two carriers one of the Currie's wife's Khalid bin Laden Osama's son and then we killed Osama bin Laden Osama out there was twenty some people in there and your guy really called out Khalid's name in any used Farsi and Arabic to say here and he thought it was an ally he stuck his head out is with confusion because he's he's behind the banister and he's armed with an AK forty seven so he's a threat obviously and he's he's barricaded and instead of Russia which would turn turn and do something bad he just told the show and it's not that he thought it was a an ally he just got confused but he's he's still in a threatening posture so he he was a viable target was and that was the coolest thing ever seen up until like seven seconds. Later I saw some son. He's feeling pretty good. I killed on Sunday. We'll know who he is. One of the things that you can't that was mentioned in the movie is the when the helicopter crashed. And did you guys really laugh about like? Has Anybody Been in a helicopter crash and then when it when it hit where you guys just like? Oh Shit this is not a good starts at the beginning of this. I think they may have been doing that. And it wouldn't surprise me with that group that was in the first I was in second so I didn't know a crash and even when I even when I got in when we told them 'cause we tried to black or a week we were gonNA put snipers and the dog and they interpreted on the outside than might seem was gonna go to the rooftop in Lyons House but our pilot kind of went up and went back down. Let us out outside. Because he saw them. Crash land was a crash. Landing pilots was lives by turning put the Kale on offensive pin in the notes in the in the dirt but our pilots saw that they could hover so the assume he could hover. We just put it down and we got out just effective communication. So we tried to breaching shower John Door to a big double double door on the outside of the fans blew it it it it opened but it was a brick wall behind it so it's fake door which made me feel good. 'cause he's in there are no one puts a fake during their house. Then we said we're GONNA blast the carport which is another double door but we know it opens because we've seen cars out over the years and we announced to the other team we're GONNA blast a carport and they said don't don't do that will will open it and because when when they crashed the we were we were dashed to. They were dashed one. What we heard him saying was dash one going around as one going around meaning. They're doing racetrack because getting shot at. So they're they're they're doing a loop but what they were saying was dashed when going down and so anyway we said we're going to blast said don't just will open. They open it and as a thumb came out. Thumbs up with a with a glove. I recognize an and that's another point. Live okay. I don't know how they got in there but it doesn't matter they're in there doesn't matter how we got here we're here and I didn't know grasping winning a gun house I was fortunate because I'm sort of in the back and I have a front row seat to one of the coolest Mississippi history. I'm watching guys cool stuff as we're saying this This is a joke. I heard the The the tail of the helicopter was hanging over the wall. The by the by crashed him at that point one of our snipers out of my helicopter. Who was doing a big on foot with the dog around the place around the whole compound to make sure no one escaped. He sought the tail and he didn't know they crashed either so he came over the radio. It said Be On alert. Geisler definitely ready for us. They have a training mockup. Super-secret our cops are in the front. The boss came over and said we'll know jackass hours because we crashed and that makes a lot more sensitive helicopter. Worth around is pretty funny. I mean it's hindsight's funny and you guys lost nothing other than a hell correct. Yeah we lost nothing Some of the guys that were in that elegantly. Now that we're all getting older. They're they're banged up the bad backs stuff. Nobody I hit. I think one one guy says he got frag but meeting with forever now. Some of them were tired. Sales guys your age they're crazy. They're running ultramarathons. We mentioned David Goggin. Top Top one percents David Guy. He's the top percentage complete who who wanted to do the seal training again and do a injured tranny. He wanted to go back. He thought it was like you know. It's like a pledging. A frat wants to get 'cause you like the the whole process but You don't do any of that stuff. Your normal well yeah. I don't mind my new thing is like. I said I was never. I was never for sharks. Shark writer I my. My favorite one is a die with tiger sharks without a cage and then the great whites off the coast of Guadeloupe because of some of the rules in Mexico Whites ruled the half the night with the cage. But you can go astray with great whites medication. Probably GonNa do that with the I got A. I got a buddy Andy Cassagranda. Who's one of the best underwater camera on the world and he needs to convince me to do that and yeah I mean there's nothing debts to me it it's an adrenaline right on. I'm good but sitting in the about to get in this beautiful water. Knowing there's tiger sharks that Trenton went to get down there. It's just it's just really cool and they're really they're really the I. I started using a weird word with these big apex. Predators is polite. They're polite animals and the The Tigers like to mess around with you like they're not gonNA bite you they. They've they WANNA play with you a little bit. And the way that Andy described to me before we got any said These tiger sharks kind of remind me of the Chubby tipsy fat cheerleaders in high school. I was GONNA say they vicious if you well. I wouldn't recommend it in the water with bull sharks. They're they're they're big they're honoree and I've heard they have more adrenaline in their bodies than a royal city heat and I've I've been in the water with them without a cage in shallow water like murky water and their mouths huge and these are their Their Grades and tigers are polite bulls are twitchy and I was even asking Andy So when when you move a hammerhead push them down in a way. Kind of the heisman with Tiger Sharks Anthony pushing the side. Where do you touch a Don't touch the bull shark. They hold a grudge. What if trump called you and asked you to go on the campaign trail forum or make an appearance or make a commercial? Would you do it? it's hard to say because I I mean even though I have political places I I support the president but I support every president. I support I. I work for for president. Clinton President Bush doesn't Obama. I Know Donald Trump had dinner with him. The White House And I I support America. It all depends on the situation. It all depends on what's been said lately. It's you know I it. Just it's odd because I am not as conservative as people thinking I'm also not as liberal Try to try to I try. I try to tell the truth when I can and I don't WanNa get on either side of it. Would've kimberly guildfoil last really trying to get him in trouble. Jerry there is a mass is your wife is awesome. January beautiful brilliant and eloquent speaker and what I mean it all depends on. We'll we'll see I I I do I do what's best for the country and it's just I had to have to hear more I need. I need ninety by Stop going to sleep all the time. Rob One of the things. One of the perks that you guys get sealed. Did you get to work with some amazing technology and some really cool thing? So I've read on some things as bad ass is like the Osprey machine and if you've ever had call in ghost rider and what kind of damage does that thing do i. I've heard some of these cool things but you've obviously got the first half of them. I've seen ospreys never been in them and those are just cool in Australia. The double prop the helicopter airplane That's pretty neat. And and and I have a lot of respect for the marines that use those because they've had a pretty bad track record of Windsor developing. That's that's a tough technology transformed from a helicopter to plane I have called in weapons before nothing to advance bin Laden pretty advanced up because we kinda give them the keys to the house but the coolest stuff I've worked with has been the people we talked about Conan airstrikes when I was in a really bad gunfight on the on the border of Pakistan before the Bin Laden raid and it took a long time to get any jets there. Because they just weren't ready for us and we got one there and we're trying to call him and there's a lot of technicalities that come along with bombs and the pilot was pilots are so cool the here on when you find an airline or anyone. How a monitoring their voices are execute. Everyone calm immoral to keep us calm. The first thing this is it was just talked to me. Like I'm a man and I I see where women find you attractive. And then we media. Do you ever see Bin Laden Dreams? No but I can Anytime I close my eyes I can see what happened if I want to. Then you know people ask about the nightmares about it's never about combat. It's usually about like being eaten by a dinosaur are shocked you Married a New England girl right. You got married in on Cape Cod. We did get married. Saturday Barzan Yeah. She was funny up. 'cause grow- growing up in in in in Boston when she did see Chino's winning like not like old school bus like the the pats the red sox the Celtics and Bruins So I was invited at fenway to throw out the first pitch and she being from near Boston I brought her out on the mound with me so we went out there and it's televised game nationally televised game and she was a little nervous and excited. And because I've got great advice that someone said you're never going to boot throwing over the catch so just try. So I'm on the mound at Fenway. And I'm like first of all I'm like okay. This has got to be the loneliest place in the world the And my wife on there associates tried to. She was nerves. I wasn't she said them. Don't rob no one's watching everybody's watching a televised and I said I'm not gonNA get nervous as long as my favorite player doesn't come out to catch up. Joy came out in like I. I'm a little nervous now. I gotta I gotTa do this. It works out well. It was a kind of lob it in there but I did call it a breaking ball. I was going to say we don't remember it. So that must have must have been good if it were really bad if it were like one of these like fifty cent through one or the gymnasts or the gymnast back slipped area. At least you didn't have been that bad. We would all remember it. Sounds like a pretty good life rubber. Neil's got a pretty good thing going. What's the only what's the worst part about being the guy who shot Bin Laden? Well it's it's the it's the unknown If if people WANNA do something they only need to be right once in awhile. I needed to make a lot of changes in life with with a lot of family members and certain security installments. That I don't I don't really get into its. I don't WanNA show my hand but added a lot of. I had my kids around a couple of times. So maybe so. That's it but I mean in person so far everyone everyone I meant. Curse has been great jobs. Not everyone on the on. The twitter feed is great. But but that's twitter. I guess we'll have to take that with a grain of salt. But it's been it's been it's been it's been good One of the most memorable conversations I have with a handshake was a guy. Came up to me in a in a airport bar or something and he said I wanted to let you know. I'm a practicing Muslim and I really WanNa thank you so what you did so really. Yeah it just really cool stuff like that like I said in person. People aren't as bad as as they as they seem like. They are on on television on Cable News in on long I think you. I think new connect all I can say in person and you didn't know who I was a care but you're you're great to everybody. People were bugging. You was at the Super Bowl and yet a lot of people trying to get a piece of you and you know you couldn't be nicer and I think I mean today. Fame is a weird thing today with the social media and everything else. They're people you see and you don't even know why they're famous. They're just famous like the old Kardashian thing or you know you see You know a deed. Whatever their Hadid women are people and you go or the the bachelor guys. What are they famous for again? What do they do? And they're famous for being famous and other people famous just because they were born famous like whatever the royal family and I think the KIPI anything better or more worthwhile than being famous for being famous for then what you're famous for. You know you have done something. No one else has done done something. Great that's something that whole nation indeed. A whole world of free world is a pre should force. I can't think of anything else that would be better to be known for better to be famous for. Yeah I mean I'm proud of it and it was. The whole thing was not just to just to get to get asked to be part of the team that might do it. It's it's when and the main thing is what I mean. Once you get used to it you can have fun with people. I'll get people that come to talk. Are you going to think you are and I'll be like nettle I am? We can have works yet it is. It is funny though because I get asked the same questions and I always have a state I have. I have answers right. Not that they're ready but I've just been asked the question and things like that. It's just just meeting people having a handshake like I'll hang out with celebrities. Sometimes it's always say the same thing you know in the middle of a bite of steak at a steak house in Midtown Manhattan and someone will just come up and say look. I really don't mean to bother you but and everybody or visit but you want to sit by you're GONNA bother. Who's the most famous poorest person? Who's come up just said I WANNA meet you. Let's see I was invited to have dinner. Charlie Sheen thousand. We had a blast. He's Charlie's the he's he's very tame now Greg but the well he was he was funny. Because I think that is character. Charlie Harper on two and a half men was based on real. Charlie we were. I was at his house in the we had degrade Jenner and and the next day and I don't hear them drink anymore but the next day I call them I had a half a bottle of Scotch. Your dinner table an old. That was impressive. See I want to ask the opposite side through all this? Like coup is the Like the biggest was asshole or like either politician or celebrity. That you thought or wanted to meet and you meet in totally underwhelmed you or someone that you walked away and you're like what a Dick you know what I can't known really comes to mind I I haven't I really haven't A. I mean even politicians that are busy on the hill and they're busy politicians. You know people give a bad rap but they have fifteen years with people. Don't even want octo. I can't really think of any particular decks I I mean I like talking about the cool shit. I met Brady at the Kentucky Derby at the one of the year Super Bowl. We had this really expensive bottle. That's Akilah and he called me over house. Hey can I get a hit? It and I took a hit out the bottle soda tonight. I said I didn't even think you ate peppers and he goes L. Not conversation. I never thought I'd be out. That's a good one rub so to review one shouted to kill it with brain. You Suck and right out of the bottle that is. I didn't think Brady did that either. Press he's good he'll burns clean Jerry Burns clean everything. That's what Michael Jordan's drinking in the last dance. I thought it was Scott. She's got a glass in front of him in the in the documentary on ESPN. I haven't seen that yet. I got to Russia. It's good it's good. But he's sitting there and he looks like he's had a few because he's hires a blunt shot. He's those are the best interviews. Like I mean. This might might be copy. And he's got a glass of high end Tequila. But that's interesting because you don't see that side of Brady too often. I guess some report maybe someone CNN or MSNBC THAT INTERVIEW. That wasn't as gracious as you had hoped he. Fortunately they make it up. Yeah I mean the one thing I learned though is when I first came out of the story. They all want the story. They all want the they all want the Gotcha moment and I coached by some really good really good media people and they said the way that report will get you is they will They believe Debonair and as a new person on TV. You feel than me to Philadelphia mayor by talking and yet realizing is there a show if their shitty interviewer and I had one reporter say You admitted you killed Osama bin Laden. That's dangerous and she sent it for twenty five seconds when that's not a question why we sit here and stare each other network she with CBS Love to figure out that you got the Michael Scott Coffee Glass there. That's world's best boss. Michael Scott One of the greatest TV personalities going local Massachusetts Guy. I didn't get him to the office until like maybe a year ago. I I watched every episode. It's I love that show too. Did you watch homeland just flashbacks? Wash the per season and I loved. I haven't started using. What am I. I'm not sure something else will I? My go-to was it's always Sunny Philadelphia. So the the the The action movies. I don't I'm not really into because I've seen I've seen it up close and it's never as hard as it looks and they. They showed what actually happened on some of these targets. It'd be it'd be boring television with some of the guys have worked with. Insert Agency is on the problem of the as you watch rated many movies about the I was GonNa say Charlie Sheen was the star of one of the top two or three best more movies. Ever platoon was young and he was gonna be the next you know Star Act. He was going to be. You know whatever DiCaprio. Tom Cruise was going to be big time. You know box office movie. Guy And they'd Wall Street and then he I think he discovered cocaine or whatever. Yeah Okay and hell the Drug Hidden Valley. Does he used some great movies and he was he was actually in. Probably the best navy seal movie ever made called Navy Seal. You thought. That was a great movie. I love that will be and it's not like it's not I mean come on. It's not realistic. But it was. It was right. Well written the that the dialogue was incredible. The Character Hawkins is one of the best. Now nine guys that made it all the way to seal team six because they saw that movie when they were fifty and then they joint God. It's not worth as a car. Just wanted to press girls right. That's why you joined no. I wanted to get away from girls dumped by girl and then and then it was funny as people say was the navy seal. You must have met a lot of girls and it's like now because they never believe you when you meet him the grind the guy. The guy's got more girls with the guys that were like the boat guys because I work with navy seal and they believe that but they don't believe I'm a navy seal because you don't look you don't. You'll look like you look to normal. I Dunno you look just look normal and I'm although you have tattoos the other navy seal Tattoo. I have one of those. They didn't I too. I did have the do with some of the missions but I don't have tried yoga a couple of things on their shirt that frontward enemy. That's one of my man rules because keep it simple The Front of a Claymore Mine. Famer minus eight hundred ball bearings in the back of sea floor. And so when you blow at the four blasts eight hundred ball. Bearing Bullets won about twenty two thousand feet per second. And it's like a bullet has a has a name on it but a claim Moore as Laura to make concerns are what it's resident keeping it. Simple is it literally says front toward enemy. Meaning you don't WanNa pointed toward yourself and the back just as bad. I made this the same color maybe front toward enemy shirts. Because that's kind of handle light like right now and Brand new territory. Frontward you gotta face face. And that's the kind of one of my manuals Robert O'Neill we will let you go. Thanks for your time you. You'RE GONNA pay. You're going to answer the question we started with you against Rob Gronkowski Rub O.`Neil rubbed Makovsky. No weapons except what you could. Maybe grab on the fly. weapons around. I'm not fighting off in-depth corruption shit do stuff like that. And I know I've I've read enough about this. You guys have guessed you could fight dirty reared. Yeah probably member book. I said we have our one percenters in the in the navy. Everyone that's made it to the. Nfl is one percent. Or it's like when a brand new quarterbacks green college guess what you're you're you're you're saying eleven guys that would have been the best player on every team that ever been also. I don't I make it a habit of not finding. I'll have a beer with Gronkowski we can talk about. You'd probably have a few. But here's here's the book. I got it right here. It's I'm not kidding when I say so. Excellent very well done It covers your busy life. Everything's in their Captain Phillips. Marcus Latrell and of course bin Laden. It's it's a good read. Is it in paperback in the hardcover. And Paperback I read the Audio Myself. It's fun because I my wife told me. Nobody wants to hear someone else. Read your story so I spent time in the studio reading it. And and it's on my website. The signed copies on my website at Robert J. O'Neill dot com great for father's Day. How's that RUB heart rate father's day when you're when you're in Boston? Maybe you can come see if there's no longer hopefully we'll get hurt you to come out. You can buy spears again. Since you won't let Jerry knows everybody in the world does versus from its popularity. It's dangerous thing Rob O.`Neil we will let you go. Thanks for your time in front. Appreciate it great time guys. Thank you very much draw. I literally have been D- EMINEM FOR LIKE MONTHS. Trying to get him on and it was charged to nail him. Down some things he tweets about that a really good. You know things military related or things that are happening in Afghanistan and he's good. He's smart and he's opinionated and he's not a war hawk. He wants out of Afghanistan and I liked that. That's a guy that I listened to. That knows what he's talking about. There's a lot of media people out of pundits lot of neo cons. And they're just they don't know of what they speak but we know this guy. We know robot Neil knows what he's talking about and I listened when he talks. Yeah he is. I mean it's we spent just about an hour doing that and I had. I still could ask another hour's worth of questions like we didn't even really get into buds training. Which if you read any of this stuff like it's fascinating to see the the physical and mental torture. These guys put them themselves through to be the best though the one percent. And then the find the motivation. Whatever every every seal will tell their story of what motivated them to do it whether it was a person or is event in their life and to hear that one defining moment that they have and then when they do it to see that. That's what drove you to be the one the one percent because someone was there we're going to have physical limitations like Jerry we're never going to be able to like dunk a basketball or play in the NBA. But being part of a seal is like if you're mentally strong enough and put your mind to doing something you can accomplish it. It's home lump telling you it's crazy. Though you you have stood next. Aronie alive stood next to him and talk to him and he's normal looking normal sounding. I fail the believe that he's some superhuman. He's just extremely mentally tough. Yeah I I know was stronger than you. I know he's not as gifted as you are. Rise more like me as normal. And somehow he will himself to another level and he doesn't quit and it is blaming. I'm with you. I read these books. The Time David Goggin is amazing is an inspiration. They will get him on these days but Rub It on. Neil's book is excellent and I'm more impressed by him than I am with some other guys because he is so normal. It's like you know you you see marathon. Runners time trough triathletes in some of them are free pro physical specimens or they're cheating like Lance Armstrong. They're on drugs and others just normal people who just have this incredibly strong mind like David Goggles and those people. They're the ones I'm of oneal. And you see like you know like you mentioned the the regular size like they're not super talk is like David Goggin to six to the he's against Marcus. Trials like six five hundred. His twin brother are both bigger guys but they're majority in that that smaller realm and a good buddy of mine who is a former seal team. I can't mention his name because he hates media and he'll be pissed at me if I say it but I've talked to him about all the different mindsets in the end the things that he had to do the motivation to get it and when they talk about it. It's the same that motivated me to play football and do that. They just had a different goal. I'm sure for for you to do that. But there's went to such a high level there. He is so fascinated with the stuff that I did. I'm like dude. You serve these missions. Like you killed like Thai operatives in you did you serve this country. Sacrifice your life like I didn't I never like when I'm lifting weights are getting ready for football was taking on a die doing these guys prepared and did this stuff or they could die at risk fit all their country and it's amazing it's it's it's a time. I'm off these guys in. He's pretty definitive. In that flying into Pakistan from Afghanistan with the crew the the the the two person in the whole crew on the mission. He didn't think they were coming back. You know he thought that the people around Bin Laden would fight to the death. That maybe the Pakistanis get involved. It was it was if he And Larry if he wrote the letters to his kids and everything that you do before you're GonNa go on one of these missions when you read the book you're a macy's everywhere again Captain Phillips Marcus Luttrell and Bin Laden these just three of many many missions it was on time missions and he never got a scratch which is amazing One lucky guy never got shot. Never never got hurt. Maybe that's because he just knew what he was doing partially and was smart about it and he is but it's an amazing story. I love the I love the fact that the sense of humor like think about that. Like he's he's telling his kids are everyone that this is a one way mission and stuff like that and then like the helicopter crashes in the one guys like to have a helicopter replica. There just like you dumb ass. It's like the fact that they could laugh. When it's keep your head when all about you are losing your there is like. It's absolutely amazing that they can laugh at themselves. In a moment where you're killing the most wanted terrorist in the whole wide world. And you're you're sitting there laughing the thing that you like about O.`Neil and you've seen it in other settings is he's enjoying being Robert O'Neill is nothing onerous about. It's not a burden. He's enjoying the fame. He's enjoying the you know the people who are telling the stories over and over again He likes you know his life and that's a good thing because there are others who be scarred and they'd be Dour and private and they wouldn't wanNA share their stories this guy is. That's that's why I think. The government led him the fire. The defense let him do this because he's a great advertisement. He's a normal guy who had incredible career. Now he's telling people about it and it makes you feel good about the seals about the navy about the military and he's he's in. He's speaking to groups everywhere. I mean one of those guys that you say you know. You're a great American proud to say he's you know he's one of us. Ain't changes everybody. They say you know what I mean. 'cause IT changes like Tom Brady is not the same guy who was when he was twenty two years now and this is and this is something on a whole `nother level than what complicating something Athletic Field. And yet you still feel that. He's very genuine and honest. And I thought you I really like the question you asked about you. Kinda just take it for granted. We don't even think about it. It's just like what do you worry the fear of like that some radical Muslim. That's made it to this country decides. They want to take you out for their for their good because you killed their leader like he has to live with that every day and that was his response was was quite unique. But I never even thought of that you know I never even thought of like these just fanatics everywhere there in this country. We see it all the time me not as much as we used to just these lone wolf terrorists who whatever in San Bernardino on a higher state. They could find him. I mean he's pretty public. I mean he's out there. He's making appearances and he's not a phrase in airports traveling around tweeting right but I guess he's not live in fear and things have gone pretty well so far. So maybe the threat is overrated. But he's had to move his kids a couple times. I didn't realize that I know they're not with him all the time but he's had to move them perhaps just because of threats viable threat but right. It's an interesting life. It's a good read. The operator firing the shots that killed bin Laden and my years as a seal team warrior Robert O'Neill friend of Scott Matrons. Come out this out. Chris Burgess that helped get him. We're GONNA get them both in their legacy club when When this whole crazy had them it is over and and he's in Boston. No his wife's from Boston. I know he's back here occasionally. I know he'd get married down the cable. Get Him because see club. But we'll have some high end Tequila. Wh What do you think sign me up man? I'm a big big giant Tequila failure. You have to drag me. They're all all split there. I don't even care for under quarantine my ass right there soon. As soon as I feel like I've done a lot of things in life and you have to of experience. A lot of never never drank Tequila out of the bottle with Tom Brady. So that is pretty cool. That was a really cool story and I do think that I think he could take drunk. You know what I think he could take Ron because I would know what hit them. Jim some crazy cheap shot to the nuts after the throat and boom glauca drunks used to fight fair. This guy yeah. I think he would win. Yeah I would say that too. It's because like Gronk you know played for money and fame. This guy played for life for survival. He knows how to play the game of deliver die. I'll take that guy any day of the week. That Guy Knows Joe. People a no brainer. Ion is an absolute freak show. I've seen him in person. He's massive but it doesn't matter how big you are when you know how to fight for to kill to kill people for a living. I'M GONNA take that guy that's pretty fucking good back. Maybe I'd like to hang out with. Maybe we'll someday hear more stories but thanks for hooking us up and Thanks everyone for listening. Thanks to Robert. O'neill the operator the man who killed Bin Laden That was good That was fun. this is a bonus weekend edition of the Callahan. Podcast we will talk you all again. Monday morning. Why am I stopping you? No one else stops. I don't I can I go home. Good Gerry Callahan podcast.

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AP Headline News Mar 01 2019 06:00 (EST)

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04:46 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Mar 01 2019 06:00 (EST)

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Osama bin Ladens Successor

The Daily

24:40 min | 1 year ago

Osama bin Ladens Successor

"From the new york times i'm michael barr. This is the daily today in his final years. Oh osama bin lock seemed to be grooming a handpicked successor to run the most. I feared terror network in the world his own son nicola market on what we learned this week about those whose plans it's wednesday august seventh rubini. What do we know about about homes of bin. Laden bin laden was the son of the woman who became osama bin laden's favorite wife. She was a woman who was highly educated that she was a child psychologist who had graduate degrees and who in many ways became osama bin laden's equal but because they met when she was in her mid thirty s and because she was frail of health she had difficulty giving birth she had multiple miscarriages and homes have bin laden is her only child so this is the child of his favorite wife and that positioned him to become osama bin laden's favorite son. The one way to think of homes is that he grows up up alongside al-qaeda al-qaeda's founded in nineteen eighty eight. We believe that hums the bin laden was born a year later in nineteen eighty nine in saudi arabia soon after later he moves with his mother and father to the war theater in afghanistan they are eventually kicked out of afghanistan and seek refuge in sudan and he spends the first seven years of his life in sudan. He is in sudan when his father begins plotting the major terrorist attacks that we know al-qaeda for for the east africa embassy bombings in tanzania and kenya the attack on the u._s. Cool a worship that was attacked in the gulf of yemen and eventually the nine eleven so what happened to hamza after nine eleven so less than two months after nine eleven osama bin laden takes three of his sons including including hamza to the base of a mountain in the hindu kush and says goodbye to him in the goodbye they stand in an olive grove they embrace each other and osama some of bin. Laden gives each of his children a muslim rosary. These rosaries have ninety nine beads which represent the ninety-nine names of god in classical arabic back and bin laden reminded her sons to remain steadfast in their faith to pray and to seek strength from god the three boys along with their mothers mothers leave across the mountains they initially go to pakistan from their their smuggled into iran where for a time they lived in a safe house run by a senior al-qaeda member number at a certain point the iranian regime learned of their whereabouts and arrested them and they spent the next couple of years in a series of military detention <unk> camps but it is in these camps that somehow hampson bin laden and the people around him are able to begin getting letters out these their letters that are smuggled out of the camps and across the region to where bin laden is in hiding and it is in these letters that you begin into glimpse the rich relationship between father and son and the hope osama bin laden had placed in the future of his son hamza so what the letters actually say the letters are incredibly revealing of the relationship that hums ahead with his father and of the enormous amount of care that osama bin laden was taking to ensure hamza bin laden's survival one set of letters are the letters that hums a wrote to his dad and they they are infused with the love. He felt for his father. Let let me read from just one and begins my beloved father my beloved father. I could not imagine the length of this bitter separation when you left me my brother call it and my brother walker at the foot of the mountains that you went to near the all the form eight consecutive years. Here's my is still the remember the last time they saw you when you were under the olive tree and you gave every one of us are muslim rosary god remembers this then you bid us farewell and we left left and it was as if we pulled out our livers and left them there my honorable father how many times from the depths of my heart i wished to be beside you while i was growing up up which pass by as i was thirteen years old when you left and have now become twenty two. I didn't expect that from the bin ladens to be truthful. I didn't either and and among the other things that you see in the letters is the eagerness on the side of hamza to please his dad. He begs his dad to not treat him differently gently to not show him any special favor. He wants to be a fighter at one point he complains and he says what truly makes me sad is the jordan legions have marched reached and i have not joined them. The majority in have impressed greatly in the field of long victories and i'm still standing in my place prohibited by these deal shackles he wants to be part of the jihad he has spent at this point the better part of his childhood and early manhood in captivity where he's not able to take part in the jihad that his father has preached but then there's also a series of letters that deal with hamas future and these are letters not to homes of directly but letters between osama bin laden and one of his trusted aides and they discuss everything including the curriculum that hamas i should be studying what type of religious he should be absorbing the kind of military and and explosives training that his father wanted him to have and then long drawn out discussions about how to extract hunter and his mother from iran and how to bring them to him and his biggest worry is that they're going to be under surveillance and that it could be that he is allowed to leave iran because us intelligence agencies will assume that hummer and his mother would be headed to bin laden so it would essentially be a way to track bin laden so he comes up with this elaborate reuss. Yes he writes. No doubt such news will be exchanged over the phone while the phones are monitored dusty information will be available to the adversaries accordingly. Eh if the intelligence commander in the area is aware he will think that they meaning comes on his mother are headed to me and will serve them to find a place that they will settle in and and regardless of the possibilities and monitoring them we have to be on the cautious side and take the following steps to break the surveillance they will go to the tunnel between coup hot and peshawar and arrange arrange a meeting between them and another the meeting must be precise timing it will be inside a tunnel and they're they will change cars so they will ride in the car with the brother that they will meet instead of the car they were writing in and the brothers who are going to drive the car must be instructed on the strict adherence to the timings after changing cars the brother who was driving the car that is subject to surveillance will drive to an area that is unsuspected and the people coming from iran will go to war go to one of the closed markets and change cars again again then head to a safe place in peshawar until we arrange for them to come so bin laden is micromanaging his sons escape from hundreds of miles away. He's extremely extremely detail. Oriented exactly so what do you make of the dynamic between father and son from these letters given everything you've explained about hamas place what's clear is the importance that he has an osama bin laden's life and the some bin laden's plans for the future. He's being protected. Osama bin laden doesn't want him to be on the front. Lines doesn't want him to be taking part in any actual fighting at one point he tells the aid that he doesn't even want his son to be let outside of the house where he is staying in iran one up because he's too precious. This is a person in who is being groomed apparently to become a future leader and so even though he's very eager to be out on the battlefield having him be injured or hurt or killed would put a wrench plants and this tension continues until may second twenty eleven tonight i can report to the american people and to the world that the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden the leader of al qaeda and a terrorist who's responsible for the murder thousands of innocent men women and children osama bin laden is killed by american special forces. He says in a boat about pakistan so in this moment huntsman laden loses his protector and his groomer but i wonder if it's also an opportunity. That's create an opportunity for house. Yes yes <music> back. If i told you to follow your heart where would you go for many. The answer is cleveland ohio. It is after all the heart of the nation and home to cleveland clinic. The hospital ranked number one in heart care in the nation twenty five years in a row they so you've seen heart patients from all fifty states and one hundred and twenty nine countries learn why people from around the globe choose cleveland clinic for heart care at cleveland clinic dot org slash care hi. I'm anne brown and i'm one of the people who makes the daily one of my favorite pieces of tape. We've had on the show was from an episode. We made with times reporter francis row bliss who was investigating the death toll of hurricane. Maria puerto rico and she sent us back. This file where she's standing in this group of reporters quarters were barraged the officials with questions and she asks him again and again. How can you not acknowledge that. These people were killed by the hurricanes and you want want her to get to the bottom of it. I think the reason why i love the tape that reporter send back to us. So much is that we get to see how hard the reporters at the new york times work. They're trying to dig up facts that are buried for a reason that nobody wants them to know. Francis is going to keep asking those questions and she's going to keep sending tape back to me and we're gonna keep putting it on the air because we think that you deserve to know the answers to the question that francis is asking and if you think that's important the best way to support us is to subscribe to the new york times what happens to hamza after his father dies what becomes of this plan to groom him into do the next great leader of this movement so osama bin laden is killed in the spring of two thousand eleven and we lose track of hamza for awhile at this point right but this moment in time coincides with the period when al-qaeda begins to splinter. What does that mean. Does that mean al qaeda disappears of course it does not al-qaeda has become a very different very splintered a very fractured organization. You can find pieces of it in yemen pieces of it in in somalia pieces. It's still in afghanistan and in pakistan <hes> pieces of it around the world twenty eleven is the start of the rise of isis the group calling itself the islamic mkx state of iraq describes all christians as legitimate targets new threats and declarations for the militant group isis dispute emerges between isis al- qaeda over isis presence in syria and they formally split in two thousand fourteen eighteen which coincides with when isis declares its territorial caliphate. That's an islamic state from syria to eastern iraq and it's calling on muslims to swear allegiance to you must be handled apathy. Not the needles enough at slama essentially said said we are the islamic state. We're the the one and only leaders around here and al qaeda effectively said not so fast. We're not bowing down to you so there was really a political power struggle there. I think the man who leads al qaeda central made it clear earlier this year that his group has nothing to do with isis citing disobey very quickly they go from having ban part of the same organization to being enemies that were out to kill each other. I remember this moment very well. Because at that point in time i was talking to members of al-qaeda on social media on twitter on twitter graham etcetera and i started to see how members of al qaeda that had sworn fealty to kinda began to have doubts and began hand affecting in order to join isis which was seen as the new kid on the block and the more exciting useful group and the one that was actually making things happen they had declared cleared caliphate whereas osama bin laden had always spoken of the caliphate as a dream for the distant future <unk> who wanna stop throw wpro human shourie unforeseen a- were saying artie are marina twenty fifteen is the next time that we hear from hamza the woman you'd little feller her and he emerges in audio recording where he is introduced. Just to the jihadist universe by ireland's over here who is the current leader al-qaeda inner lama who the who are shariq gala and entered audio recording hums goes on to call for lone wolf attacks in the west very much extending his father's message to the <hes> low about two. So how much do you think the reappearance of hamza bin laden in this moment when al qaeda is losing young members to isis may have been a deliberate attempt to kind of reframe al qaeda. It sure looks like that at this point in time. Al qaeda is hemorrhaging members and they're having an especially hard time recruiting young jihadists anyone who is a millennial or a twenty something is is in general choosing to join isis over choosing to join al qaeda and now suddenly they bring out this person who has the most famous name and terrorism. He's handsome. He's young and although they don't say this it does begin to look that way and if you look at isis propaganda there's kind of a subset of isis literature that attacks al-qaeda that specifically attacks thir- leader island so a hearing what's interesting dynamic is that i am not aware aware of isis ever attacking homes up and modern even though isis has removed itself from the al qaeda sphere and has had a divorce with its former. Are you know terrorists parent. They continue to revere osama bin laden. Osama bin laden remains a beloved figure among jihadists all over the world why he's the creator of this. He's the person who created this army of jihad that went on to quite literally harm america and that's something that no one else has done and by extension hums bin laden is part of that sphere so he is a part of al qaeda aided that isis does not feel that they can critique and in two thousand sixteen. I started a folder on my laptop entitled hamza bin laden because two thousand sixteen was the moment moment when i started to feel that hums up bin laden is being floated as a future leader not just as somebody who can take over al qaeda but as somebody who can unite these divided factions i was preparing for the moment when the current leader of al qaeda is killed in an airstrike which is something that we are expecting and hums bin. Laden is announced to be the new emir as they call them of al-qaeda. <hes> instead what happened is a couple of days ago tonight tonight. The man groomed to be heir apparent to osama bin laden. His son hamza is dead u._s. Media outlets reporting that officials have for saved intel confirming his death the circumstances surrounding it are not yet clear n._b._c. broke the news that hamza bin laden had most likely been killed in an airstrike in the first two years of the trump trump administration me. What does it mean for these groups. The comes up bin laden if this reporting is correct has been killed right so on the one hand. It's a blow to al qaeda's future. He's the the one figure that they had who met all of those qualifications he was young. He was charismatic. He had famous pedigree and terrorism so on on the one hand stripping these groups of their leaders we hope is going to hobble them is going to hurt their organization is going to cause the organization to implode but the other either way that it can go is that the lack of a charismatic leader means that the glue goes away and so already with the death of osama bin laden we saw ah soon after that al qaeda split into okada an isis now with the death of hamster. This could be a fatal blow to al qaeda. I don't actually you think it is what would be worse. If al qaeda then begins the splinter internally and then you have just a many headed snake. Why would that be worse. The splitting of al qaeda and isis created a landscape that made the world more dangerous than it was before because isis in order to differentiate themselves from kaieda kaieda became a much more brutal. I hate to say this because it sounds almost obscene to say it but al qaeda in away was a moderate group compared to what we saw isis become isis introduced levels of torture and levels of atrocities that we have never seen before and so there's always a danger that if al qaeda's splitters again that the new group that emerges from that could be more brutal could be more deadly could be more vicious than the one we already have in place taking people like hamza bin laden who are actively calling for the death of americans taking those as people off the battlefield. It's hard to argue that that that isn't a sound policy but unfortunately we have a recent history to reckon with and and that is the history of the last five years with the rise of isis where we saw a monster even worse than al qaeda be born it could be that or it could be that the organization has just faced too many blows and that in the lack of any clear leader that they lose their way <music> <music> <music> <music> <laughter> people are busy. That's why listeners tune into the daily so they don't miss out on the most important news and when it comes to hiring employers turned to ziprecruiter so they you don't miss out on the most qualified candidates ziprecruiter's powerful technology finds the right people for your job and actively invites them to ply. 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ZBT #147: Blade & Spray featuring Mike Viti

Zero Blog Thirty

57:10 min | 2 years ago

ZBT #147: Blade & Spray featuring Mike Viti

"Today's episode azero bug dirty. We have five rounds in the magazine round. Number one today zero blog history is not quite a mystery. Lieutenant Colonel geyser was his soldiers name, and he Dr Seuss were one in the same. We tell about this famous authors military story, and we promise you it won't be a Borey KP. Route number two. It's always great to see fellow devil dog succeed in rise up the ranks of life, but not so much when it's the top of the Mexican cocaine cartel year about the marine who just got caught as the kingpin of Los Dita's round number three. When we talk about skating, the military is normally slang for slacking off. But a video of Libyan rebel soldier literally skating into a firefight on rollerblades is making the rounds on social media. We talk a little tactical stupid boot round four cont interviews. His battle, buddy. Mike Viti Mike is a current fullbacks coach at West Point and former army captain, but what is truly wild as he walked seventy one hundred kilometers across the country. A few years ago for gold star families round number five the US put out a one million dollar reward for Hamza bin Laden son of now, see dwelling terrorists in massive asshole and killed by our two time guests rob O'neil, Osama bin Laden and even Saudi Arabia is taking action against him, which is saying something. Let's get on with the show which my friends buckle up because it is brought to you by our good friends at Romans whites Roman Sweitzer convenient over the counter wipes that are clinically proven to help you last longer. So what are you gotta do with these bad boys right before you get ready to get frisky? You open up a little pack, you wipe your dick. You're ready to go. Earl logger dive Roman Sweitzer shipped you discreet, unmarked package. In swipe pack is nailed small enough that hide in your wallet. 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He is a story writing legend in America with books like how the Grinch stole Christmas. The cat in the hat. Allure axe Orton years who real quick idea favorite, Dr Seuss book. Ooh, hop on. Pop of a big hop on pop lady. Okay. Chaps? You know, I probably have to say how the Grinch stole Christmas. Also, good one breath. I was gonna say one fish two fish redfish bluefish. But I think hop on pop is definitely mind to okay. Oh, the places you'll go guy. That's such a good nice to trying to write in the beginning. I was like one weenie. Mean weenie red weenie green weenie I was trying to come up with like a military weenie one for that book. But yeah, long before all these were written Dr Seuss joined the World War Two effort by drawing posters for the treasury department and the war production board, but wanting to do more he joined the army was put in command of the enemy department of the first motion picture unit, which who the hell knew that was the thing. I had no idea like of all the things you get like, what did you do in World War Two animation anyways? But about how conic so many of those posters are too. Like, they may if he's behind it because he's like an iconic artist. And now that you think now that I think about it. You know, a lot of his has like the bursting stars or whatever so many old World War Two posters had like the bursting star in the back like come with us. So you wanna be the navy? You wanna be with the army like they had the same exact type art that goes on his book covers makes Sally and not only did his work help promote the war effort back in the states, but he did films and contribute. To the private snafu cartoon series. Which was great from Arale, gentlemen. What a snafu stand for cons. It is situation normal. All I don't curse. So I'll say fudged up. I heard you in the Daytona video. If you have a top, please go back, it's normal. All fucked up is what it means. Yes. So he did the private snafu cartoon series and the private snafu cartoons were funny and sometimes even raunchy because Seuss believed the risque subject matter, but keep soldiers attention drill. So there's like I was looking through and there's like some pretty much don't see any of the actual body, but like genitals or nipples, but there's like naked ladies doing all sorts of stuff like, but it would also teach a lesson about like hygiene overseas or this or that. So how to keep their keep their attention one of his most significant military works. However, it was not animated. It was called your job in Germany, which was an orientation film for soldiers who would occupy Germany Astor. After the war was over. So he was German American himself, and he was assigned to write it year before the German surrenders cocky is fuck their America making our victory post-victory ward at us a year in advance. We knew what was that. What you had to though because it's not like you have the ability to hop on fucking adobe Photoshop up video row. Quick you had to get production pretty fast. I mean, odds are good. The Germans had a similar one ready to go. But what they'd have done if it had been like the old t shirts that the team that was supposed to win the Super Bowl like the? Face flus, Dafur car wherever. Yeah. Like a million rolls of film. Well, according to this is biography. That's where things got a little dicey. He was sent to Europe during the war to screen the film in front of top generals for provable and happened to be in Belgium in December nineteen Ninety-four aka the battle of the bulge. That's forty four forty four ninety four. Those damn World War Two. Nineteen forty four when the battle of the balls went down. So that was Hitler's last big counter-offensive in Belgium, and according to his biography Sousse was trapped ten miles behind enemy lines, and it took three days for him to be rescued by British forces. I never knew any of that about Dr Seuss and. It to me for not bringing back battled to the bolts to our ad read to start to show. You're right, depending great one. Let's the army is a Lieutenant Colonel and went on to start reading children's books. He said a lot of his drawings, and ideas and designs came from his time in the military that like really helped hone things for him. So Dr Seuss somebody did that now, I guess our buddy max Uriarte from that kinda guy. Could you imagine like mad dogs like, you know, what I am tired of this entire military thing. I'm just gonna start writing children's books. I was one thousand percent breed James Madison's book on children. Absolutely. Dr. It's actually about eating children on tally of enemies of the enemies that we might. But. Yeah. No, the interesting three. General Patton's kids books that would be very informative and interesting. But it's just crazy if the guy had such an accomplished life that this whole life, you had prior to all these books to just basically forgotten because none of us knew any of this kind of crazy and Jada picking those stories that you would think it's fake like, whatever Dr Suess was war veteran before he is behind beyond you like math. That's there's no way. There's no way. That's true. Well, that's like Brennan said off before we start recording. He's like I heard he had a like sleeve tattoos, and he was the sniper. 'cause that's what you hear about people like Mr. Rogers was a sniper in nyc from wears long sleeves to cover his Dr Seuss's in like a Barnes and noble signing copies of green eggs and ham and somebody comes out to like good morning, sir. I heard that you are Lieutenant Colonel Geisel, and he goes. Lieutenant Colonel guys. Haven't heard that name years. Route two. Family. When I come not like that Sam I am. Like green eggs in hand. I do not like them Cam. I am. I do not like green eggs and ham round. Number two comes from us at Cestari that really sounds like it's going to be like a straight to net flix type show. We did this story that was like that a couple of weeks ago right with who was it. The four people who went down to five operators down in Haiti. I believe it was Haiti. Now, this one really reminds me of the story because you always hear about the possibilities que. Did you hear this whenever you were a young Moraine that there was marines who are going to boot camp through camp simply to learn the tactics of marines. And then go back to like they're getting units of wherever they are from. Did you hear about that? Yes. In there that I never blamed it. But maybe it's true because this story from the New York Post says that a US marine veteran who rose the power in a reputable Mexican drug kingpin has been named in a massive cocaine trafficking indictment in San Diego. The investigation into on hell Dominguez Ramirez. Junior organization revealed an unprecedented level of corruption with the Mexican government Los local police departments federal policing agencies and the military of the US attorney's office said more than forty one people have been charged in this cage with says yielded eleven thousand pounds of cocaine more than nine million dollars Dominguez's organization source cocaine from pedal, then Israeli Ecuador and up through Central America to Mexico transportation cells would move the cocaine into Mexico's using boats aircraft commercial vehicles the whole kit and caboodle as heck to say everything was going along with it. They were just moving Matt amounts of yoga as the people say in the streets Dominguez is a dual citizen who served as a marine, according to his us passport application, and he walks with a limp due to a combat injury. I mean Watson the lip could he's fucking cocaine pin. Right. Accused of using his military training or working as an original member of the Los Angeles. Era military cartel which I formed as an enforcement wing of the cartel the Gulf. Oh, I think I'd say I'm that. Right. And was known as z thirty nine the story is. I think it's going to be a Netflix. It has to be. It has enough looks written all over it has it hearkens back to American gangster a little bit Frank Lucas was going to Vietnam to bring drugs over in the skies using his military training to traffic drugs. And I tried to look up more about when did he serve what combat what borough see in that? He has a combat related injury. I'm assuming he's a younger guy in its from Iraq and Afghanistan because that could still be like two hundred years ago that he now, but it reminded me of breaking bad. Walter white uses mystery experience to make the blue meth except Dominguez using his military training to run to be a kingpin. You have to have logistics leadership violence of action, weapons knowledge and a coup last limp. This guy has it all we accompany gummy on. Krill steel cutting. That's maybe oh, you know, who might have been could be a warrant officer. Ooh, time worn officer moves nobody ever knows what they're up to or what they deal actually, besides be pilots and sit around and smoke and drink coffee like Yanni. Your award author. You're not currently smoking. I don't believe you. Warrant officers such ridiculous rank in the military too. Because you're obviously outrank all the enlisted guys, but you used to be enlisted. She still have that disdain for officers, but you're kind of on their level. It's very weird dynamic for warrant officers in the military. But this is like you said chops is just like the story from a few weeks ago. We learn all these skills in the military. And then when you got the military saved for a few soft skills. There's a lot of skills that you just never use again in your life, and it really is kind of a waste but good those websites that like we'll help you transfer your military skills. And so tell us what you did in the military and you hit enter, and then it gives you a list of jobs. He'll be good at I feel like this guy put it in hit enter and it was like cartel. Buddy. Yeah. But he wakes by, you know, I don't think it'd be good enough to be a Netflix because it has one of those stories that's just not believable enough to be like Netherlands makes good quality movies. It's probably one of those ones that are just going to go straight to FX. Who do you think they hire to play this Murray? Oh, told on I happen to be low budget either you could go high budget. If you want to Michael Michael is, my guess, what was he in? He was in shooter. He was in and without a bike, a Los Angeles some TV show where is a cop in Los Angeles. Or so, yeah, yeah. He was in crash end of watch is probably what you're thinking of case. I'm coming Orleans bloom because he's older now. A kind of any super ripped which you couple of scenes. Mocha cake love it. Was also in twelve strong, though, the movie about the horse soldiers. So he's got a little military acting experience. Are this is mine? I go a little different. I would go. Ben diesel. Who long Ankara's us, although jacked up out there. He's an old. I'm gonna say this guy was like a machine gunner and he's a little bit bigger bulkier guy. But put on weight after he got out walks with a little bit of a limp in when Gendis. Oh, yes, everybody listens. So I could see if you have that raspy voice move it up the cartel very quickly. Although like, I don't want to say his name. I don't want to sail chapels name. He doesn't look intimidate. He's not like nine hall. He kind of looks kind of small and somewhat fragile. But obviously it isn't deli. Yeah. He's very deli. He's got a dad bond for on the record that I wasn't the one who said that. But he talked we don't El Chapo shame here. Oh Gordo chain. Even no not at all not. No, it's you know, what's crazy about stories like this. And then movies they happen. They happen one that they happen. But then he kinda sit back, and when you take all of the illegal operations and people being killed. And obviously that stuff is terrible. But when you look at the money that these people make for selling drugs again, that's a legal. That's not great. But it makes makes you thank like, I kind of get it. Why people sell drugs also going to leave? That makes us even worse and say that like murders. Okay. Right. You want to kill somebody, whatever. Like a little part of me was like what could this marine become an kingpin? Like, hey like boy. Jay witty love it for five. Right. I just feel like you have to be pretty tough fella or lady. We don't ladies can also be kingpins. But yeah. So I just the only other thing do you think he started and was already like you said that rumor that we hadn't boot camp. Do you think he was already involved somehow while he was in? And if I guess is here, can you imagine like being like, oh my God. Did you hear about gunny? He's like. Yeah. I would honestly rather here. My god. He's like a head of a Mexican cartel, then he's a white nationalist like the coastguard guy. Yes. Very nuts or the marines. Or I mean, not to say that cartel doesn't do some pretty horrific shit. We're doing a lot of cartel goofing in a reality. They're fucking terrible at done stakes. We actually need to strike this entire conversation. Flip it on his head and the sky band, shaming Ricardo, shaming cool. We really appreciate Sarah. That's a great movie. And so is narcos on Netflix. That's enough ads for nets like. Again, block thirty not on the side of cartels now Lear out there perfectly clear, we don't associate with cartels. If however cons if you are lance-corporal listening in your part of the cartel, and you wanna come on block thirty people use one of those dateline in BC voice altering things that you can tell us what life the cartel is. Like, that's my promise to you, the listener, we will switch up your voice. Let's move on. Round three, and we're not going to play politics here. We're not even gonna play like that. We know what's going on with the backstory as or anything like that. But we would be remiss if we didn't stand up in a plot fact that there are some Milton out there using combat rollerblades think that use a combat blades is it it flips combat on it's fucking head like real quick because the modes of transportation in combat tired using rollerblade our electric scooter in combat wired, those are things that we need to be doing more of. I would bet this guy is a Lance corporal in whatever. Military groupies. He's well, I'll just say he's a Libyan rebel, and that's open on social media. But this video has been making the rounds. Like crazy, it's going by role. And it's there's firefight in an urban environment. You can hear the rounds going off all the guys are ducking. They're taking cover, but they need to get across the street to this other wall. So you seek is making the break for it. A couple of guys make the break for it. And then you hear laughter and this Libyan rebel on rollerblades. Just guns. Scoop mountain right across the way. And he's firing his rifle as he goes. He's smooth is he's like Papa and he just gets across the road, his first blade blade. That let's call a blatant spray blames brains. And so this comes on the heels of another video from a Libyan rebel that went viral the week before where the guy has a machine gun. And he's the base of it is the shop is a shopping cart. A mobile tripod in mobile tracker. He's using a shopping cart. So these guys let me rebels whatever the we don't the politics, whatever. These guys are using wheels in innovative new ways than hurt just really taken the internet by storm. So yeah, I just had to thoughts watching the rollerblading guy. One. Imagine you get killed by a soldier in rollerblades that has to just being silly embarrassed come coming. You know, like when you're playing video game. And you see the guy come in. And he's got like the hammer. And he's about the hit you and you're like fuck, I know I'm going to be clip like put out on twitch. But this time it's real life. And you see a gopro on rollerblades. My god. I got bladed. And like no matter how much has buddies loved him. Whatever the storm. Yeah. We really miss Tony, man. He'll bay guy on rollerblades. Like that will always be Chris imagine, though, just imagine. If you got shot injured, but you didn't die the amount of ribbon. You would have to involve your life. If you got killed while you're aware of blades 'cause you know like the the tactical wartime funerals. They put your boots and your weapon. Are they gonna put your blades in there like your enforce it between your two rollerblades? And everybody's gotta go night. They do the Catholic cross or whatever cross you like. Like like, I'd have rollerblades, man. Get out of there. He ran across the rabbi he gets you hit a little gravel. What took him out on the end of a scrabble. No like, you totally like where face first into an idea because he wire terrible bit it. The only other consideration. I had was if you do get injured in combat with rollerblades on because the medics have to like cut your pants. Can you imagine being the medic meal like what the fuck, dude? Are you serious like because you got to undo little snap? It's so much easier. You just flip them over on his face. And then you get your battle, buddy. And you just like all right, man. We just need to concentrate put to toes on the deck. And so then you just across like his feet are making friction. You did your buddy. That's a that's a very good. This guy might be onto something. No. We need to have. Oh my God. What a minute we need to have combat Healy's where you have the best winning feel out of your boots. So Healy's or Healy's with you remember soap shoes like where you had like the so you had the soap shoes where you had like a grind plate in your shoe to. Down. So if you had healers on the back soaps on the front, so that if you get going there's like a place with a a log railing, you could just fuck do that go up there goofy. In it, boom kick your field together. Give a little point shoot. Somebody added. Keep going like you're fucking outta apart core unit special forces park were unit. Just us. Just us. The hallway to battle. Yeah. I video because I mean, honestly, if you're doing all that kind of stuff having a big weapon could be cumbersome, I've been seeing this video I think it's an Russian Twitter are Russian Instagram because somehow I get a lot of those videos Washington Putin, by the way a video of a weapon that's actually a briefcase like the woman comes up turns it sideways in it's a briefcase and she just starts firing off shots automatic fire. If you're the park court unit, that's what you need. Because then you throw it up in the air, grab it just hang up. Now, the cooler the better, I I have to say one more thing about that lackey staff like obviously picture marine doing that. They would get nj peed with quickness even if they took out a whole unit on rollerblades and saved the whole battalion. They would get kicked they get in so much trouble for Iran. But they're in this intense situation, you here the fire here, the L ING when this guy comes rolling out. Everybody starts laughing. And I feel like sometimes. Like, nobody has a story like that. But there has to be moments of of intensity in combat where something funny happens that just wash my group like the story where I lost my grow. When I was screaming, and I had the grill in my mouth and lost it during a firefight knows like fuck where it's my. Lost it. I was so upset while there was gunfire. Going all around me. And those are the moments that I think like in a way it has to be a huge boost. For morale just to have a quick moment of relief amongst all the craziness. So you come old scoop boot three not like that to get that levity definitely helps there the corpora who I was with who had never been in a firefight before and we're on this roof in the middle of karma and round started popping author as Moore's going around not like really close to us like maybe fifty hundred meters away and like the first time you hear AK forty seven five seven six two rounds. Go by your head like he looks at me. And he was like was that an actual gunfire. I was like sweet we're gonna get card. Yeah. And and like did another one came by because here the pop Mike whenever it goes by like oh shit. Nobody really cared because it's like such a natural thing. I mean, so many people shit yourself, you might as well just own it, man. But not in rollerblades that negates the coolant rollerblading. Would you use motor blades? Would you be up for doing that? Oh, yeah. I have to my legs. You guys know my legs are fucking little. I couldn't handle it long term. I've seen those snap before. It's not pretty. No, I couldn't do it. I I mean, I would try Healy's. I'd be a part of the special Healy unit but other than that. I couldn't do it. There is getting I promise I will never rollerblade. And all yeah. That's a big part of the counterculture their bread. There was one other thing that I wanted to add about the having rollerblade unit. If you shot somebody with rollerblades like if you had this perfect shot. It was ongo pro and you took out like Osama bin Laden's son, for instance, and you did that and you came back to the base. What's the only thing that you may need to make sure that you have done before you get back with the rollerblade yet it clearing barrel. Nope. I'm not I'm not sure why don't you? 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His smell, right? All that at dollarshaveclub dot com. We're gonna move into an interview that cons did with his battle buddy in current armies football fullback, coach Rhys. Joining us now on zero blog thirty is a gentleman who has quite an interesting journey for my vantage point, and I'm lucky enough to call him, a friend. This guy is a four time letter winner army football player captain senior year decorated combat veteran in the army philanthropist and now division one football coach, Mike Viti, Mike. How you doing? I'm doing good young good. I'm good. And if I if if Mike sounds a little raspy, it's because he's going through some off season workouts, and maybe raising his voice a little bit coaching up his players. So as I mentioned, you know, we know each other from our time at West Point plan football together Mike's two years younger than me. But we're really wanna start two thousand eight is when you commissioned as a second Lieutenant and just what we through where your army journey started. And where it took you. Opposite started on the tailender mammary football career, and that really put me in the mindset to go combat arms branch, you know, at that time to wars and everybody every brother that I knew who's over there in the fight. And you're really looking for the quickest way. And so, you know at that time you look into join combat arms branch. Join a decency and and go to the show. So now that's really in. Oh eight that's that's really our number one mindset because you know, the last time you blew the whistle in in in a football game. That wasn't the last time you now be a part of something bigger with your brother. So that's really probably where my mind is at you know, decade was then. Oh, it was never a question. You were always going to go to combat arms right for sure. I mean, you don't, you know, go to armies life will back and then go transparent knows tranquil. Okay. So you found yourself you deployed to Afghanistan in two thousand eleven I believe or was it two thousand ten summer of ten so summer of ten and walk me through your first day. So for those who don't know when you get into a combat zone. What you do is call the right seat ride or a rip where the unit replacing you kind of shadow them. And see what the AL is like see what your job is going to be like, and it kind of eases you in to the combat area, but you didn't necessarily have that that ease of transition. What was day one like for you? Yohan zero to real as fast as you could imagine. So I'm with my commander day, the her just complete salted your square job bad ass at I'm going down to my first platoon cop. So it's a neat. The PL down there. And we're taking over the eighty second. And we're in the Arghanab river valley anything oh anything about the art indaba. That's really the birthplace of the Taliban. A really hot audio at the time. And I walking the cop co wall and the guy I'm looking at is not an animal's, and Matt Hernandez, and I have a lot of history were teammates together at West Point. You know, a little bit about my through that makes his story will more impactful bat was the person who who told me. My sister had passed away took me. Our funeral and then fast forward two years later. Not added gory. Mercy leave and the last time I saw that man does was him buried his brother in Miami at his funeral. So needed not locked eyes and immediately knew to start his threes. And now smaller world really is in what this wise, and we going down to a Shera, which is, you know, village meeting of the commanders and the local elders just to discussing what's going on in your incubators area. And you know, we're we're setting out outer court on in the village, and you know, they want patrol one again, my first firefight, and you know, being trained as a team later. Normally is your squad leaders are your team later doing all that stuff at that time just me and my commander and on a member of squad song the rifleman. And but I think what is follow neither as the second airborne. Major knows knows what's going on in, you know, they clearly Villigen, you know. Fortunately, no casualties. Not. No nothing really submitted report from. On that. But just the magnitude of taking that all the way back to West Point on football our lives in spreads and brothers. And you know, the last time we saw each other. In unfortunate circumstances, Willie brought out Al real combat was and you know, just another sign of emotional side. You see a guy who you're having a hold up at his all no less than two three months prior and two to three months later in Zoll new up in taking himself through one of the worst places fantasy STAN trust in smoshing dominated another level cell that was day one. So I mean, you really you're you're jumping on the field again as a freshman in. How did that shape you for the rest of your deployment? And how you lead your men the rest of the time, you were in Afghanistan to be honest with the I don't even know if Matt knows this that gave me the confidence, I probably. Needed to really lean into it, really fast. I mean back then is no Connor everybody out of combat patch in general, his nickname all of your NCO's ah probably on their third or fourth trip. They had experience in Iraq and Afghanistan alike. So it allowed me to understand that you know, this guy. I mean, here's Ramirez not was reviewed by his is its own. And you know, I said about yet to be half the weed or not is in combat. I'm going to be our my guys gave me confidence. And I think that's really big. I think. Who tennis put on this big shell of? Yeah. The very they might want to watch point or what have you? But there's nothing that simulates that game. They experience that NetCom that experience. So is known somebody that close and known how emotionally flagellate were to compartmentalize a lot of that in just b be fears and just be the leader for other people to be gave me a lot of confidence and belief. So for nearly a year long deployment for all intents and purposes, a successful, deployment, correct no-doubt onion. I think. We'll we com show we needed to our mission and for sure feel joking about it. And then where did you go from a reminder of your your career in the army because you ultimately only stated active duty for fried years. That's correct. I went back to Carson house out of four idea at the time went to captains career course stationed at fort sill. And then at that time made maybe. The decision as you pursue some professional opportunities outside the military. Yeah. In so many times, I get asked questions from guys that are still serve in. You know, they need advice on how to transition and you've transition very well. How did you? What did you end up doing coming out of the army? So I worked with the head hunter and got placed in a location in industry that I believed was gonna be kinda what what my next on ten years at least look like and worked for also corporation America in Las Vegas, and you know, was making a lot of money and was set up with the job. And that's kind of the the half truth of West Point. What you go do is like go make Bank after this very selfish way. That sounds awful. I want to punch myself in the face of that was the God, honest truth, right? Gotta spend after after West Point the arm Hewlett a bit. So you're looking for that that that grass that's probably greener on the other. Side of the mountain, and and to be honest with you got out and did that and that couldn't be further from the truth? Right. And I mean from the outside looking in you had a really good situation. You had a very loving supportive wife who also had a very good job. You had a good job by you weren't fulfilled so to speak. So what happened that you decided to take a complete one eighty and get out of what seemingly was a very good setup in or did you go from there? So I was I was director of application services in IT NS and Mike extensive background in long legal. Point as a combat officer really set me up for success for that right away. I was sitting in a meeting. I'll never forget this in a good sincere. Nas brutal in San Jose. And I was about to start this corporate wide project. And I was talking about the really just the fundamentals of of what we're gonna do. And this ER doc got so no pissed off at me coming in and trying to change the way they're going about their ER, you know, practices, and etc. I mean, I'll just there from technology piece. So, you know, I'm not a medical professional by niece extent. But he stood on. He looked me in the eye. And he's like, you don't know what it's like to swear an oath and half people's lives in your hand. Got that. And I was like, you know, what that's all I fucking needed. And you know from there. I said, you know, what you're you're right. I actually do. But I actually know what my what it feels like that my life threaten at the same time, which you'll never understand and religious made me realize that, you know, there's a unique background in feel like sometimes you gain experiences that need to be lessons for other people when you need to take them other places and remove myself from from from that life in wanted to pursue a life that was able to impact others. And and who I fell that fell dash in four, and you know, the need to necessarily take chase a dollar scientists be successful. So you leave this profession, and you decide that you want to have an impact on gold star families, and you. Came up with the idea that one way to do that was to walk one kilometer across the country for every service member that had fallen in the global war on terror as part of this organization that you started called Mike's hiking for heroes. And then that ultimately becomes legacies. The live what the heck were you thinking? Yeah, I mean. I figured is. Here's your out is all came about. I was watching the two thousand thirteen army navy game. And it was the first time since I got out of service that actually felt something like the from within me passion. And I was like why am I so pissed off right now. And so enter jetpack, and I mean, not laugh feeling last it all through December early January, and you know, to be honest with you, it made me realize that those guys who are playing that game, you know, on the back, and they're around the best people, they'll rerun, and they'll be dealt more responsibility. They can ever imagine. And they don't even know why it's a big game. Like, they really don't. They don't understand that the people come in to watch into people to view in. You know, look at them in a different way in the game matters for different reason. And that started and I felt hey, what could I do? Impact a group of people who I feel had a deficit or are suffering from from, you know, at that time ten plus years of war near ten years of war and the ban. I remembered was you know, guys like chase tries Nikki Rosa teammate of ours who lost his life in guys. I'd serves with like Timothy Johnson, you know, Brian Pearson guys like that who lies restore then I sell, you know, here. I am living this Kirsch lies. But and those guys don't want you to feel sorry for them. You know, when you look back in service, you know, none of us would, but they're banned. These are the ones that we forget about really quick. And they're the ones who ultimately have to foot the Bill of the service and the war were in. And I felt that they are underrepresented, and I looked at the closing combat operations out twenty fourteen at that time, and I said what can one person? Due to raise a little bit of awareness to what these these families are gone through won't could I do to honor my might might are shared heroes and connect the American public to them, and that's really are because Desa very comparable thing for a lot of things for a lot of people on servants are countries in quite understood that point in time in our history. And you know, I thought it would be allowed statement to say, hey, listen, I'm gonna walk away from my life, and I'm gonna go beat these families, and I'm gonna walk and find out these guys were and make sure you know, they're never forgotten in an honor them. And I felt that, you know, just one of those things like not going to say like, you know, in God's or anything like that. It was just something that I connect dots of why am I so bashing it I lost my bashing. Who who do I look to wanna rubber late where what do I do with this energy? And and really that was very. Very, you know, infancy out the Genesis of why and then pursued a two hundred thirty two day. I around America the perimeter of America. I was get short changed the coast. Yeah. Right, right. Let me you you walked from Oregon down to to San Diego across to Georgia and then up to two Baltimore. And along the way you met with a lot of gold star families and each day wrote the name of a goal servicemember who lost their life in the global war on terror on on a flag. They he carried with you, can you just speak to me about some of the feelings that you felt on all those. I mean, you had a lot of people that joined you along the way, but for the most part you were by yourself. What were the feelings going through your mind while you're doing this? The first thing that, you know, you meet your first starts family on the road, and you now you'll be received. But you see that they're seeking closure. They're seeking some sort of an lot of them are so prideful. They're so proud that there that there has been their wives their son daughter brother sister, Abby dining war, and and they they find some level of comfort in that. But the closures piece that they don't feel comfortable with. They don't wanna stand on abode him and say, you know, I'm hurting I need L. You know, we see that in a lot of our our our veterans would suffered from PTSD and taking their lives, and and things that are just awful that you do better job about. But you know, our whole star families the first thing that I saw was then they're gone in this name Bob relation. Well that their lives have been flipped upside down, and you know, a lot that they'll never get that back. And that's that was the first thing they may. And each worn was gonna snowball effect that I got a story. A nugget of down a point that I felt hey, you know, what I can quickly. Do. I just met at family in Corvallis, Oregon. And I can connect you with a family in Eureka, California. I met this family the Bayer and now down in LA spent met for more gold star families by your quickly evolved into like unique social networks, but in a real time situation for me, yet a network of support for these families, right, and I'm very genuine level and things that they don't want to expose to a journalist, right? Only friend may be who doesn't understand service for those conversations are surely raw extremely honest. And they look at you as like. First of all sports, go look in fell coming through. But you tell them like your wine and that kind of put pulls the veil back a little bit. And and those conversations I'll tell you. There are more powerful than even any leadership class into any training experience. I've ever had because that's in the you know, we don't ever look at like the situations that don't work out and your your you've got to deal with those. And it really gave me like a stronger of restriction on anada deal of people when they're in a horrible place, and they're gonna maintain being an oral place for a long time. And you're not there necessarily Dixon at all. Like it. You can't do that. But you can at least understanding chair, and and bring about some level can actually change and all right, right? And then so you finish up in two thousand fourteen and whereas legacies alive come from twenty fourteen until now. Just wave tops of getting to hike. And then I had this navy seal who committed to taking the baton and be the first American swim the land in the Mississippi River. He need converse that beaten twenty seventeen which is unreal. And. From there. You know, we met a Goldstar. I'd medical family alumni heightening K Jordan from Weatherford Texans. Cruising through you know, essential taxes. I can she is wanted or Sunday. Remember, she's like what could I do? And she desired toss cycle from San Diego to New York City on in twenty seventeen and that's been a dactyl we've had owned grown memorials. We supported we've hosted army navy for upwards of three hundred gold star families over the last five years and just continue to grow that network, but on a very intimate and personal level. I will Mike now you're busy guy. You gotta get some rest you getting up early again in the morning to to to keep doing your day job now. So I appreciate you taking the time to to join us and tell us a little bit about your journey. So thank you very much, brother. Thanks Conor beat Navey. Please clap. As always on own blog thirty fuck Osama bin Laden and anybody who loves them including his bitch ass on with the government is offering one million dollars to capture kill. I don't really care which one it is. But last Friday Saudi Arabia announced it has revoked the citizens if Saudi Arabia he helps your citizenship. Yeah. You're bad news. The bad news bear, I'll say their homes have been Laden the son of the late Al Qaeda leader who has become increasingly prominent figure and tear network. And I think that's a big time example, what's it called whenever you're if your dad or your mom's in charge, and you get preferential treatment. What's that word like nepotism nepotism third? I didn't know they practiced nepotism in Terre cell network's. But apparently, they do is. That's what's going on. With this fella that UN Security Council. Added Hamza to sanction lists. Meaning he is subject to an asset freeze and travel. Then there is. No immediate explanation of why the Saudi Royal decree. Stripping him of his citizenship was signed in November was only now becoming public because you think that's the kind of thing if you do something bad enough to get your citizenship revoked mashed probably come across a news wire, especially when you get sanctioned slapped on you by the UN as well all these like, I think because it they announce it literally the day after we announced our one million dollar reward for him. And I think in the same week the UN also came out, and it's kind of crazy because this same series of events pretty much happened with his dad, Osama bin Laden in nineteen ninety four when HAMAs that was just a child. So they think now this little guy, but she's probably like my age, he's in Pakistan, Fritz, lows trainings, and this Thomas Joscelyn who studies Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda whenever potato potato data. They all. But he was born literally right after Al Qaeda was founded. So if you think about it his entire life was consumed by this formation, the launching of its war against western America. And it's only knows. Yeah. And so he entered years old, by the way. Yeah. He's he's like our age, and the crazy thing, I didn't know this he married. The daughter of Mohammed Atta the lead hijacker of the September eleventh attacks and recordings have come out. Now where he's valeting revenge for his father's death. All these sanctions and all this stuff. Saudi Arabia also revoked some bin Laden's citizenship back in the day. Like, so all these things are happening over again. And it's like they think he's in the border of Pakistan. And so he is revenge for about a bad when we got his dad like he's like all about it. So. Are my favorite part of the story is rubber Neil tweeted out put them on the top of the stairwell confined him. Without a move. What a dunk passing. But. Yeah, I mean, I I have to imagine there. You know, there are a good amount of people looking for this gentleman right now within our security organizations special operators. There's definitely people looking for him right now. I never understood though, the rewards like the for you know, one million dollars for information. Because I mean who who really is going to have the ability who's gonna walk off the street and just have information. Oh boy. I mean, that's how they found bin Laden. Well, like tracking and shit like that. Materially worth it. Yeah. I guess they to give up your your identity or maybe potentially put yourself in harm, and you have to testify testifying one of the bin Laden's are like El Chapo and shit like the reward that led to his are the tip that led to his arrest and shit like that that's crazy, man. Like have people going out? I guess my point is, you know, just just like, we found been mom. I think it's a it's a collection of multiple people's efforts that obiter peoples not just like one person like magic bulletin here. You can have the moms. I don't think that I think it also is a mind game to know. I'm sure they're well aware this a million dollars out on his head. And I think it like messes with your trust of the people around you of the neighborhood, you're in of him it also if you're if you're that do that has the million dollar bounty, doesn't that give you some big dick terrorists energy, it gives you a lot of street cred. Yes. And speaking of like that to me has me wondering because this guy like they said he has been he was born when this. Kicked off he has been groomed for this from day one. That is his thing. He married the daughter of one of the worst human beings on the planet. He is like absolutely certified bad guy, obviously. But everybody the UN the US Saudi Arabia all these forces are coming out at the same time. And starting to put pressure on him makes me think he is truly like very likely at the top of the ranks. And it's not just nepotism that this guy knows what he's doing. And that they need to squash it, so I'm I'm like interested in going down a rabbit hole in this and learning a little bit more. Maybe dating brothers of fucking being terrorists. Why many brothers are groomed to be NFL quarterbacks? And this guy was groomed to be a high level terrorist. Yeah. That's a great way to put it, obviously. It would definitely have to put forth serious effort to find him in and bring him somewhere that he can't get his hands on all sorts of bad things to do harm on a people. Great point cons. Thank you. I thought so. Sorry, cots Cussing. God's bug A lot. God. I apologize. I'll feel good today. Nice talk coffee. It's actually called here at San Antonio. Which I feel great about it's eighteen degrees outside which is lovely island. But a cold snap so cons. I apologize. It's okay. I know you don't. But it's fine. Skin, especially at this point. Thick skin than here. Whatever. Oh, come on. Trying to be nice. He's sorry. Sorry. I take that back. We'll cut that. Let's to save routes consul start with you. Well, actually, I'll Catherine go because she's the one who put this out on our social media last night, and then I reacted to it. But so Catherine what what would you like to say, our guy buzz, Buzz Aldrin, and thank you spin a lot in the news in the last year. They some his family claims that he's getting dementia, and that the people in his inner circle business wise are taking advantage of him. Oh, there's like all this drama around it, whatever you say, he is his fashion sense. All that craziness aside. Let's talk about what really matters his fashion. He wasn't an event. And he tweeted out why choose between a tionna bowtie when you can have both. He's wearing a silver a shiny silver suit with little rocket ships all over it, a purple undershirt a silver bow tie, and then a red white and blue United States regular guy with his medal. I'm not quite sure what that metal is for assuming. It's a moon. Title presidential medal of freedom is. Yeah. And he just looks like a bad ass motherfucker the tie with the bowtie. I love that. He said Kate over the jacket the jacket has rocket ships. I sent that. I say over suit covered in rocket ships. Yeah. I mean, if I was an astronaut outwear nothing, but space related clothing saying here in my life. Absolutely. I just thought this was such a flex like you show up you nobody else's wearing an outfit even close to this and the tie in the bow tied together. I just have never seen it. I'm all about I didn't have to pull that off. At the next time. I go speak somewhere. Tied to this this outfit to knee made the case for people say the moon landing was fake. I don't think you wear an outfit like that. If you faked the moon landing that's some big dick real moon landing energy right there. Twelve men of walked on the moon think is the number. So when you're in such elite company, you really just play by your own set of rules, like anybody else wears this like the most elite club in the world walked on the moon club mile today. I would say yes, I don't know that there's better firefight rollerblade club. Moon moon, mohawk club are pretty walk on the moon club is the most elite club. That's that's better than being like a Costco member for sure. Yeah. 'cause it's like other clubs like, okay, I could still maybe get into rollerblade firefight club. We don't know that that is what he cared on. Kennedy. Many Kennedy will never been in a rollerblades. You're it you're in. But I know for sure I will never be in walk on the moon club. It's just. I wonder. Hezbollah has children since nineteen sixty nine. Thank you has he paid for a drink. You think ever? Shouldn't bet should be automatic. I think once you land, it should be like you walk off the space shuttle and the head of NASA. Like, here's your note. Just you slide this card and just bills NASA? When back I think, so you know, I mean, he certainly here's a very eccentric style. But it's a style that he owns a an it's certainly one of a kind. I must like a fucking wild moose brook. He's still knocking people out with the sucker punch. Absolutely slaves giggling around the bedroom. You got for your save around. I really just wanted to to piggyback on Cates. I have nothing unique today. 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Ep 694 | House Votes to Impeach Trump AGAIN. Will Senate Let It Pass?

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Ep 694 | House Votes to Impeach Trump AGAIN. Will Senate Let It Pass?

"Today we've got the latest on the impeachment hearings happening on capitol hill. Yes it's happening again. Ladies and gentlemen the latest stupid thing that aoc said you're not gonna wanna miss it and it starts right now. welcome to the news and why it matters. I am sarah gonzales. Today joined by my two good friends. Chad prater america's favorite cowboy and future governor of texas and also happens to be host of the show on tv futures. And we might be about you too. We might be joined by your puppy. She's hanging around it she she can. I mean i kind of prefer to you. They did a poll. yesterday. I severely laws. Who was the cutest come on. She's stiff competition. We're also joined by. Jason virtual chief researcher of the glenn beck program and also the reader of things that whenever we don't wanna read something that's too long week at the town dump it on him to. That's him All right we've. I feel like i say this ten million times but it's always true that we're living in groundhog day. And it's just the same thing on loop over and over and over again now. We're seeing with the impeachment hearings Mike pence informed pelosi that he was not going to invoke the twenty fifth amendment of the constitution of course to remove president trump in his final days of office which prompted Nancy pelosi chew. Take-up impeachment hearings Again on the floor so a lot of fun stuff going on Your tax dollars are being used really really well. So far in twenty twenty one And i just just kind of set the stage. Let's go ahead. i. I want to get your thoughts on this gentleman. But let's go ahead and listen to Eric swale well the other night talking about president trump and why it's so important to impeach the man. Listen to who he actually compares him to. they're saying Holding him accountable is different. From the people who directly were involved in tearing down the doors and rampaging the the capitol building well osama bin laden did not enter us soil on september eleven but it was widely acknowledged that he was responsible for inspiring the attack on our country and the president has words using the words fights with the speakers that he assembled that day who called for trial by combat and said we have to take names and kick ass That is hate speech that inspired and radicalized people to storm the and when you read the indictments from the us attorney's office of people who've been arrested in there fbi interviews. They cite that they were called there by the president. They were in the capital because the president told them to do so so we must hold the president accountable for his inciting words. Are you comparing president trump to osama bin laden on comparing the words of a individual who would incite in radicalized somebody as osama bin laden did to what president trump did. You don't actually have to commit violence yourself but if you call others to violence that itself is a crime. I can't guys. I freaking cans. Could you please no. I can't either if i can't really can't either. I mean this. We're listening to a dude who spent six years in a relationship with the chinese spa or thing. I mean this is insane that anybody is listening to eric swallow. Who can't even explain what he means. Right he's compares. The president to osama bin laden talks about an act of aggression and terrorism osama bin laden osama bin. Are you kidding me. You know dictators. Don't get censored right. They don't get impeached They they're the ones who do the dictating. In the these folks are comedic at best at this point again imagine having that type of assumed delegated power and authority and this is how you choose to use it and this is what we're watching. It is a clown circus at this point. Also the jason. The mask is a nice touch considering idiot there by himself pretty sure. He's far away from the camera. Probably could remit so ridiculous and this also shows being ridiculous. This shows the flimsiness of their case here so their entire cases is that somehow trump inspired. He said that so many times inspire this to happen. He didn't order it. He didn't order anything to happen. And that's why he changed the history with osama bin laden osama bin laden did not inspire people and then they suddenly like ruin ruins and gave and then flew those planes into the into new york. No he ordered it he ordered and planned it ten of a big big hail distinction there and that shows you so they're going to be you know eventually probably arguing this and the senate. They're going to try again. Change the narrative that he no no no is. It was inspired will you. But he didn't order it doesn't matter he he just. He gave a really good speech himself. Inspired it it's bullcrap. I mean honestly that could give any any criminal any reason to do anything and just blame it on someone who has fired right. Well i killed someone. Because i was inspired by this movie that i saw so you should hold the movie accountable. You could indict somebody else for anybody else's action regardless if you're just taking the person who committed the crime at their word which i don't think we probably should do. Because they're criminals chubb. I read catcher in the rye something triggered in my brain and suddenly i became a serial stalker. I mean this is the kind of weird stuff i mean. It's just insane. Osama bin laden was a terror mastermind. Okay he was an enemy of the state. I mean he was. There is no comparison in this whole thing. I'm so tired honestly. I am physically tired from listening to the mental gymnastics that these people have to go through to try to vilnai's donald trump at is. It's so funny because you can tell when they're sitting in their chamber trying to figure out how the heck they're going to sell this bill salahuddin inspired people but he but they're like. Oh you know how we get around. Trump not actually telling them go storm the capital. How do we get around that. You inspired us. The jim jones example yet have the they done. It just drank the koolade come in. I'm sure they haven't. It is coming well when donald trump went and said you know we should fight. We should let them know. Even said i was like there. She's over here she's over here. We got a puppy barking over here. I even said okay. They're going to take this even though he clearly said peacefully. They're going to use it as a dog whistle. You knew it was going to happen as soon as you saw it taking place because it doesn't matter what he says they're going to say if the entire time he said. I don't even want you guys to go to the capital. I want you guys to stay right here. I want you to stay peaceful. i want. Make sure that nothing gets out of control. The news still would have said oh he was just saying that so you think that he wanted peace but really. He wanted them to do it. That's why he brought into the matter what he said. They're going to spend it home once he just wanted to make sure that white riot happened. You know. I mean there's actually a new york times article this morning. Called the headline says white riot. That was what trump was after is to make sure that this ethno nationalism showed its face here in america in the nation's capital with these insurrectionists ethno nationalist. that's that's a white nationalist. I mean that's the way they're terming that now. They think they use big words. That people just go. You know what. We really have been duped. We really have because let me tell you something earl. In a single wide trailer that drives a nineteen. Seventy eight. Single cab dodge. Pick them up truck and it has been arrested for. Dwi and just likes to be left alone to drink his. Co. beer ain't sitting around thinking about ethnic nationalism and white supremacy. He just not thinking about now. He might be pissed off and a lot of americans. Seventy five million. Americans are pissed off because they feel like they've been called. Nazis defrauded as racist misogynist in bigots and homophobes. Xenophobes and every other job you can call somebody and people are just sitting around and what they want. They wanted to get to the bottom of this thing to feel like they're nations still stands for what they believe in Because so many things that we do believe in has been trampled on and these people are just running at one more time around the three ring circus And so this stuff's just got an out of month. Now they're now they're mind reading. But what do you expect from. People who consider themselves to be the thought police More on the impeachment hearings that have been taking place on capitol hill today Let's listen to matt. Gaetz of course was a quick to defend president trump and point out. You know like the leftist hypocrisy of it all listen. I denounced political violence from all ends of the spectrum. But make no mistake. The left in america has incited far more political violence than the right for months. Our cities burned. Police stations burn. Our businesses were shattered. And they said nothing or they're cheer lead for it and they fundraise for it and they allowed it to happen in the greatest country in the world. Now some have cited. Some have cited the metaphor that the president lit the flame will let actual flames actual fires and we pronounce fired giving in the house. So that's what that ridiculous circus Like today that's i know right. It's the steady. Caleb protecting me from all things steady cam. Our cameraman right here to learn. I just really. There's a growing number of gop lawmakers in the house who say that they will support impeachment So you have that but at the same time you have that you've got a poll. An internal memo that shows that keep voters sixty percent of battleground voters View these latest efforts to impeach president trump as another waste of time and money sixty percent. And i'm like okay. Well where were these people when we were voting. Because they already did this. You're tired of it now. I mean would they already. What were you doing at the polls the that small amount of republicans the that are going to vote for this which i assuming they've already voted. I've checked the Yeah as at the time the taping. I think that they had. But i'm sure but on earth they will. That's that's the establishment that wants to see trump out period because they want control mac. You've got another group that wanna go. In that direction of actually representing their constituents the other side the other republicans they're not interested at all and representing their constituents they're represented and basically the status quo which is going the same line that the democrats are further and further to the left. Happy to go with them. As long as they can contain the say the republicans and they can stay in power. that's it. Trump is a fundamental threat to their style of politics and they can't stand it and that's why i fully expect this if it doesn't you know if it doesn't happen before you know wednesday next wednesday. They're still going to do it regardless which is kind of weird because he's not a civil officer is what it says in the constitution. But they're still. He's he's going to be a civilian at that point. So they're gonna impeach a civilian. Yeah well because then can't doesn't that make him ineligible to nothing to make sure they want to send a message all the people who might be outsiders looking to shake things up so this poll was of course from the washington examiner and These were key states. They were arizona. Colorado florida georgia iowa maine michigan. Minnesota nevada Texas was included. Wisconsin was included. And let me let me just read you a couple more of these Points because i think they are very interesting. Twenty three percent prefer impeaching president trump. Only twenty three percent seventy seven percent said congress should work on corona virus response instead and seventy four percent. Said impeachment is politically motivated to prevent the president from running again sixty five percent. Sixty five percent said biden and pelosi are keeping the country divided again. Chad i ask. Where the hell were these people at the ballot boxes. I understand well a fraudulent election. I mean let's be clear now. You know there were a lot of mess ups along the way. But let's be clear and let me also say back to jason's point these republicans these so-called never trump republicans these guys who were opposed to trump. they don't realize they're the reason trump exists. We're so sick of their. Go people politics as usual. That's why trump came on the scene so to go back to your poll question. These people are fed up with the whole the whole system of washington but the only voices that are truly being heard the far right or the far left. It's either the progressive or us ethno national white riots riot register that band name. And so it's it's the average. American is fed up with. They're fed up with all of them. And i gotta admit. I'm fed up with all of them. I'm sick of the whole deal is ridiculous. The cute thing also is a would be to your point to where trump is the reason why are the republicans in name only are the reasons why trump came here. They created this situation. The funny thing is they think that it's just cute. They think this is going away when trump leaves office right. This is the beginning of something. It is not the end. And they can't figure that out and by the way shutting him up only makes it worse for you guys always does. Your did not going to happen. we've got more to come. I wanna thank our sponsor grove collaborative maybe pledged in the new year to have a healthier lifestyle and you don't know where to begin Let grove collaborative. Help give you a jump start. Okay grove is. It's my kind of place. Because i'm what they call it. Conservative hippie all right. They've got an online marketplace for sustainable homosexuals they deliver it directly to your doorstep and they're they take guesswork out of going green. So if you're looking to be more environmentally friendly. Maybe you don't care about the environment at all. 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I'm going to be jealous of you. When you get this gift set you can get free shipping again. This a thirty dollar value that you get added on it is grove dot co slash news that his grove co slash news. Back in a minute so during the break we went and checked and Now we're with you guys who are watching this live yes. He's been impeached in house. Now the question is what happens with the senate so the report is that mitch. Mcconnell has delayed the there was supposed to be an emergency hearing which mitch mcconnell has delayed. Jason is is it over no. It's not over since he's already said that he would be for the impeachment to me. It tells me why not do it. Now if you really wanna make a statement do it now. Mcconnell said he was for the impeachment just just to clarify for you guys out there so to me. That says they don't have the votes. He's going to want to make sure he has the votes. Oh yeah there's no reason to delay unless you have the votes than do it So he's probably gonna go fishing votes would be my guess is. That's been from now until sometime next week. Fishing for votes. It's just credible absolutely insane. Incredible the precedent that this would set if it happens chad. They want a dictatorship. They're to get a dictatorship. That's that's ultimately where this thing leads If the american people were truly expressing their rights they could recall a lot of these elected officials. I would say that they need to primary every single person. That's sitting in the senate seat or or congressional. They need primary every single one of them and it needs to go back to by the people for the people you know. These are people who are never going to vote themselves for term limits. They're never gonna vote themselves out of a job. These are people who are power hungry on the right and the left. Wwe wrestlers get in the ring and they they blather and they sweat and bleed all over each other and then they get same limousine and go to the same restaurant and eat the same stake. This is what's going on here in washington dc it is. These are swamped creatures. These these are evil evil precedents. That are being set. I promise you it doesn't matter if you're on the right or the left. This system ultimately is going to devour this country. If it's not real in. And i don't see any way of doing that right now because we're not willing to well goodness thank you glenn beck all right puppy i feel like doctor. Evil cuting prefer this dog to a hairless cat. Hairless cat All right so in that poll that we just discussed or one to get your thoughts on The other part of it which was big tax so when it came to big tech platforms twitter facebook youtube instagram voters again. Overwhelmingly against these speech crackdowns. That we're seeing seventy four percent agreed that twitter facebook and google could sensor and take away the president's right to free speech that they could take away the right to free speech for any american only twenty. Six percent disagree now. This of course comes as president. Trump's account was banned from youtube So just very slowly. I think they're trying to just remove him from public life at all. We talked about yesterday. How the banks had decided that they weren't going to allow him to hold accounts there. So banks are trying to get rid of him. They're trying to banish him from the internet. A bank right now combined with my bank Percent so again You know it's interesting. We see all these people who you would think if they thought these things they would have made sure at the ballot box that we had a different outcome. And yet here we are. I have to believe if it thinks going the way that they are surely maybe in two years it swings back in congress two thousand in two thousand i mean they're because they're doubling down. I mean because they've just been emboldened by if you know whatever the case may be whether it was a fraudulent thing or whether they think that americans truly gave them votes. I think they know what really happened. But whatever the case may be they're emboldened now to cram everything through do whatever the heck they want because why why shouldn't they just one. It really depends on how hard they push I think. I think that we could see a you know another you know after obama in two thousand eight. What was that the two years later. We know republicans took. I think it really depends on how hard they push like. What is their healthcare thing. That there is it closer to met at bernie's medicare for all or is it closer to basically the what we already got with the law medicare. I really don't know. I hope that's the case with the tech stuff There were some left-leaning influencers. Were coming out and saying we're getting scared now. Emily ran a cow. Sqi took time from posing nude which i was very pissed off about to actually about posing nude or she took time. She took time for right right. I've got my priorities. Said but yeah. I mean if you're getting people that like so they're the ones that's funny. They've been silent on shadow banning all that stuff. They'd been silent but now since we're seeing how bad it's actually going to get their starting to get freaked out. If they ever have an opinion that goes against whatever the narrative is. Hey welcome to what we're facing right now. I tell you what it is not a good time to be a digital media company all. They're taking apps off app stores. I mean they did the parlor basically what they did. Alex jones and that was initiated by a member of the media over at cnn. That's that's another just absolutely mind blowing thing but that's looking at financial institutions big tech. All that stuff. They're already working with. The government are already cooperation between them. What's next are we going to have to get setbacks seriously. Are we going to have to have our own servers like lockdown just in case so we can have a voice. It's scary but that's what we're looking at chad. How far do you think it's going to go. I think he's going to go so far. That these useful idiots like mark zuckerberg in jack dorsey get devoured by the system that they helped create they're gonna create a government overreach that is so large and that is so anti any voice of dissent that ultimately the animal. It's going to be like frankenstein. They create the animal and the animal turns on them because the government once it gets to be that size it ain't gonna allow itself to be the puppet for very long see right now. Big tech thinks that they're the puppet masters and they may be but that's not going to last forever. i guarantee you. It's not it's going to get ugly some of the hypocrisy that i've seen on you. Call the stuff out right and they say well. It's a private company. They're using that they're actually using conservative talking for it. But it's absolutely the reason they have. The power is because their partnership with the government is co defied into law period. Like so it's more than just a private company issue but you never see them had any issues whatsoever with going after like say like an oil company or something like that for the things they do. Oh no the government should regulate those oil companies but the company go. Joe foil the complete counter argument on the other side when it comes to this issue because it actually goes in their direction. Yeah well Good news twitter is very against internet censorship. All of us you guys are. If you guys have high blood pressure. Just wait until you hear this for the In uganda in uganda there was an election and they wanted to make sure twitter wanted to make sure that they announced their stance on having a free and open internet. They said ahead of the ugandan election. We're hearing reports that. The internet service providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps we strongly condemn internet shutdowns. They are hugely harmful violate basic human rights and the principles of the hashtag open internet and i will say violate basic. Human rights is kind of ridiculous like world thing to say Fultz they also continued earlier this week in close coordination with our peers. We suspended a number of accounts targeting. The election in uganda. If we can attribute any of this activity to state-backed actors we will disclose to our archive of information operations access to information and freedom of expression including the public conversation on. Twitter is never more important than during a democratic process particularly elections. You can't make it up breaking. Make it up if you try. Okay so i guess here's my question on this. Do they like they. Surely they know they're being hypocritical like it's not lost on them it's total wag the dog scenario this is they. They know that they're doing it. They think you're stupid. They believe that your ignorance can't see between you know they just float this stuff out there like it's just normal everyday whatever conversational. We're not going to interfere with free speech. We're not gonna. They use the same terminology in that tweet that we use when we're arguing against suppression write access to information freedom of expression freedom of expression. That's what we've been saying. And everybody's will their private company. They can do whatever they want to do. Well no private companies can't just do whatever they wanna do do do we do. We have signs that say colored water fountain colors come in through the back. Bars be opened in many case right. Now it's massively massively offensive and wrong. What if costco said what whites can't shop here between three and five in the afternoon or if you do you can only shop between one and six. You can't you can't have access to the rest of the store. What if you did that. Well they're a private company. Can they do that. Why not i mean. Why can't they do it. I mean they got the right to do it right now. We'd shut that down so fast that cost would be out of business by tonight. I just love to see people cell phone themselves and that thread basically was that it was contradictory. Didn't think tell me that they understand that they're being no no you really don't think no no no because they think that they know the best they know. What's best for you. So they criticize the country for shutting down access to their apps right and then said oh and said we believe in freedom of expression and all this of speech over but then we also lockdown accounts and made it to where they can't post anymore you literally. They cannot see it because they think that they are right. They have the ability to say. You're wrong and yeah you're right. You can stay off but it's all on us to to make that decision right. Yeah all right. We've got the latest crazy things that alexandria across the korir has said when we come back back in a minute. If you're living in a red state what we call red states. Well alexandria ocasio. Cortez would not call it a red state. In fact she would say you're not in a state you're actually just suppressed. You're in a suppressed state. Listen we got to organize. And i think what we saw in georgia is a really good example with black women leading the way with multi racial in multicultural organizations leading the way We they proved that southern states are not red states are suppressed states which means the only way that our country going to heal is through the actual liberation of southern states the actual liberation of the poor the actual liberation of working people from economic social and racial oppression. Fast the only way. This is the future of congress right here ladies and gentlemen liberation of the people in those suppressed states because it couldn't possibly be that people think differently than she does. This is why. I don't think that i truly think we've crossed the rubicon. You cannot talk. Can't talk with your neighbor about politics. You can't talk with. I've seen family members arguing about politics. I mean that you can clearly see what she thinks about conservatives or anyone that doesn't agree with democratic socialism singer stupid. You're stupid and you're also very very tiny little blip in the population right and and you're just you're that wrong that you need to be rescued or something like that. This is not and you wonder why people are pissed off. You wonder why people show up. Two places like washington. Dc and are cheering for donald trump. Who's the only one that will listen to them. You wonder because vast majority republican party is. They're staying in the middle. Bob and even you know because they don't wanna get hit by a punch things to go. The way they are people are sick of that sick of this. You can imagine how insulting imagine. Pick a city. You know in a in a what we would call a red state and they're listening to this like they're feeding. Their families are working ridiculously hard and she does called you stupid. I'm sure that's goes smooth things out. Well and to jason's point chad know if you were someone who lived in a red state and you had seen evidence that leads you to believe that the election was possibly fraudulent. That would really really really hit a nerve with you. Something tells me for as much as the democrats. Talk about wanting unity now. The joe biden is president. That's not actually what they want. I can't believe that we've given a celebrity pulpit to this pin headed more on that we that we have continued to put out there Because what she's wanting to do. And i get to your point. A second there wanting to cheese wanting to criminalize anything that is a thought or belief or conviction that that she doesn't agree with okay. So you're right jason. That's why people gravitate trump exists. You know here was the guy they found in him a guy that they they felt like related to where they are as americans and their values. It's a sad state of affairs when you think about where we are because we just had this conversation i said you know i think twenty twenty one for me on business side of things in terms of what i do going to be a great your if they don't put me in jail for believing what i believe in you said could happen. It could happen. We're sitting here. You know i. I'm out here talking with another blaze. Tv host who's having to turn his phone into the fbi today. You know dealing with that. I mean it's very very real. It's very close to home These are the kind of things with the fact that we're listening to this and hearing this If you have an idea that life is sacred from conception or you have an idea that healthcare should be privatized if you have an idea that people ought to be left alone to govern themselves now. No no no no. No that's criminal fault right there and and to your point about unity. Let me say this. I don't unify with nazis. Don't unify with racist or xenophobe misogynist or any of those things that's what we've been called. Yes they do not want to unify with us. Because they've said we're nazis if on the right and have the rights or a conservative convictions and beliefs. then you're nazi. They don't want to unify with quote unquote nazis. So no. It's a bunch of bs which you know they are very effective at controlling the messaging. So speaking of that another crazy thing that said was that there is a commission being discussed to rein in media so that they can combat the misinformation and disinformation lesson. I don't think that the response to this kind of like medium-term response has fully crystallized yet. But what i can say is that there's absolutely a commission that's being discussed but it seems to be more investigatory. I'm in style rather than truth and reconciliation. And so i think that's an interesting concept for us to explore and i do think that Several members of congress and some of my discussions have brought up Media literacy because that is a part of what happened here And we're going to have to figure out how we reign in our media environment so that you can't just spill disinformation and misinformation is one thing to have different opinions. But it's another thing entirely to just say things that are false tab teacher yes chat. Is she advocating that. There's a such thing as fake news really are you say. There's misinformation and disinformation in the media to the point where you're going to form an investigatory commission to look at fake news. That's exactly what she says. This is this is information. Illiteracy was a phrase was gone back. Well and you know to that point. We had a president who anytime he would Argue with someone who was pestering him a member of the press pestering him. You had members of the press who were rude disrespectful. Who got kicked out of. Let's say a press conference even though the organization was still involved in the press conference and we got told that he was trying to take away. The first amendment said the media was under attack right. That's what they said under attack. He called him fake news. He said they were an attack. This what she's talking about is then media actually did thought trump was bad. Wait remember when they made the video of him in the wrestling thing down at cnn. He recommended citing violent media. She wants to form a commission. This takes me back to the good old days of nineteen thirty eight. Nineteen thirty nine there in munich just outside berlin and we just say a few of us were discussing commission. It's insane it really is. We are odd. Kick your ass. Let me tell you so you. You're not you're not. You're not me down and kiss my ass. What's your honestly can't afc's opin- joe biden's of senile old man pee pads a kneepads. That's what i'm calling this administration. I'm done with all of them all of them. You're not going to shut down. Seventy five million americans who have been screwed over with the idea that some senile man who didn't campaign and spend his time in the basement got eighty one million votes more than any other in the history of united states elections. You can't tell me that. That's not absolute fake news right there but you're going to form a commission you're going to form a commission to investigate informational illiteracy. Shut up lady. This girl's crazy and you know what you can put them all in a bottle. The republicans the democrats shit up. Poor them out. It's the same crap. I don't care what you say. They're going to put everything they're going. Oh my god chat breakers inciting violence. Oh shut up. The crazy thing is. She's speaking specifically just about fox news or outlets like us especially would be spending anybody anybody conservative. She's not talking about mainstream media at all and we've just had four straight years of crappy reporting from the mainstream media. All their russia stuff was wrong. All their washington post stuff was wrong on russia all ukraine crap. All that stuff was wrong. I mean no that was true. That was all fake news from the media outlets that she wants to enable this woman who came out and said. I didn't think i was going to live till the end of the day to the capital riots. I didn't think i was going to live till the end of the had an encounter was going to be alive at the end of the day. The post for a fake picture at the border like crying. Didn't she say something about what their message is. More important than truth. What was her exact quote. You remember what i'm talking about. She's she made the comment. That was like yeah well. Truth is not as important as truth or whatever. It was stupid the same sentiment. We can't keep own. Go home by the way is quote was. I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely factually and semantically correct than about being morally right and that they would be wrong. Because it's more about being morally right than being factual according to afc Speaking of morally right the The centers for disease control. Where at the cdc obviously says to stem the spread of covid. Everyone's supposed to be wearing masks. That's a big hot topic on this network. I know. I think i'm sitting at the table. I think all three of us are like anti mask. Can i say that. I've been converted. Have you been converted one hundred percent. I'm a liberal. Now let me tell you not been converted been converted on liberalism. I i just wanna get along with everybody now. Oh okay well. Where's your other one because now the new york times is saying that on top of that were instead of one. If you combine multiple layers you start. Achieving pretty high efficiencies of blocking the viruses from exiting. Oh forget it. I quit although they can't keep up with the goal post moving. They did point out that you. I'm not making this up. It says quote. We run the risk of making it too hard to breathe. Think risks involved. What do you mean. Breath for really but To masks instead of one to stem the spread of this ridiculously deadly is highly overrated. My second point is oxide. Better the masks. And the lockdown mandates really. I think we're how far can we push these people and get away with it now. It's like okay. Let's see how much more with movie star stack. Start in up snowball. Fight randy and christmas stewart. Yeah i think you should wear to condoms and stuff but it may be. You know you might not field insane. Whatever well that took a weird you agree that this was just all about power. I mean i tend to a one hundred percent. Look the social distancing the lockdowns the The mask thing they failed they failed. It didn't work You look at california perfect example the contraction rates through the roof and they have the most It's a failed experiment. It didn't work told you from the beginning And everybody wanted Shameless and fight against us intelligence. Where your mask or just stay home. Just lose weight get healthy. I mean why don't you do that. it's there it's gonna die. People are going to get at this stage. Everybody i know pretty much had it or you know whatever you're gonna get it where your mask but that's what you wanna do but this is dome where mass so now if you see these lawmakers like i've seen pelosi i've seen joe biden. Do they wear the ninety five. And then there were the decorative mask on the outside of it. You gotta be fancy and we gotta you gotta style nancy. Pelosi's pumped full of styrofoam with so much interface like. She stood too close to the talks machine. When it blew up she done a feeler faces up the mask off her very threat. Yeah it's already so tender. Stand her when she speaks with the two masks on. How are you going to understand her. You know that adderall. Infused mouth chew she. Does you know what you know. You know the difference between her chewing or fake teeth and an a you in could. It's the intelligent cows face directed at sarah. and jason. Have you been mask. Shamed like shameful. I'm sorry shamed for not wearing a mask anywhere. The i saw that. I keep trying to encourage people like especially if you're in texas. Yeah it says it on there. There's a sign that says it at the door and you know what you go in and you don't wear a mask and ninety nine percent of the time no one says anything to you. Let me tell you. So i went to are texas is famous for its its gas stations and convenience stores. It's it's like heaven on earth of retail heaven and so go in there and they had a box of masks sitting there for three dollars and ninety cents. And i said i wanna these fifty masks in the box. Three dollars and ninety cents she goes. Why biggles. I can't buy toilet paper. This fact of the matter is masks. Don't work i. Although i did walk into last time i was in. I was the only one who is not where i walked into the other day i went into pretty much the only one that makes them filming pretty much. That's what i'm saying like if you wanna tell me. I'm not don't don't send me hate mail on top of what you're already sending me about chad. I get it if the management comes over and says you need to wear masks to be in here. I'm not trying to start problems with a private business. But most of the time they have it on their to cya the time. I live in a hotel. We checked into a hotel the other day they were like. We need you to put a mask on. I might really this one. 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Making Peace With the Taliban

The Daily

28:59 min | 2 years ago

Making Peace With the Taliban

"From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barr. This is daily. Eighteen years ago, the US declared war on the Taliban promising to drive it from power in Afghanistan. Mu g Michelle on why we are now offering peace to the same group. It's Monday February fourth. Would you remind us how the Taliban came to wool in Afghanistan? So it was in the space where? The Soviet Union was trying to install a government control of Ghana. Stan. And the US and CIA was funneling money to resist that. When they first came down this road in December nineteen Seventy-nine few Russians realized it would take more than nine years to get back a game. Once the Soviets were pushed out Soviets withdrew defeated in nineteen eighty nine for the guerrilla for the CIA was funding. Many Soviets will ask of Afghanistan was it all for all those guerrilla fighters started fighting each other over power. Country quickly disintegrated into civil war. With the Russians gone. The Americans lost interest in Afghanistan burder, leaving everything and out of that emerges, a group of sort of village Mola's trying to rally for order and security and Justice. This kind of altruistic group which wanted to bring peace to gone at initially there were very popular. And because there's so much anarchy and chaos there pretty well received them they sweep across the country pretty quickly. But once they do take over most of the country. They are stuck with this realization, how do we govern? Now, they had no experience in government. Now, we have control of these areas. People must pray five times a day and anything recognizes vice that must be stopped. So they try to focus on what was most important to them, which was religious beliefs and piety. The way to solve Asian is to stop are young and old people committing sins like shaving beards chewing tobacco smoking cigarettes, all crimes like robbery, try to control. How long you beard is how short new hair is whether women cover up enough where they show any ankle women should not walk on the streets or go to the shops, Bishop stay at home, and where job television music Bataga fee. All those things they take away, but on service delivery on health sanitation that all that stuff. They were stuck. They didn't know what to do. The United States launched an attack this morning on one of the most active terrorist bases in the world. So the US started paying attention again, it is located in Afghanistan and operated by groups of -ffiliated with you SAMA bin Laden when some of the actors that he was following elsewhere people like bin Laden al-qaeda terrorism is one of the greatest dangers we face in this new global era found their way to the space that the Taliban had created enough gonna stop. We saw twisted mentality at work last week in the embassy bombings in Nairobi and Gara Salone, and what does the US want from the Taliban when it comes to people like bin Laden, and the group he represents Kaieda will the US wanted the Taliban to surrender bin Laden and the US under Clinton carried out a few strikes that barely missed bin Laden. But the. The pressure wasn't to a level that kind of made the Taleban pause and make that they're only calculation do we give bin Laden or do. We not that calculation changed after the attacks of nine eleven. Has the attacks were carried out and planned bio kite on by bin Laden out of? So as an act of revenge in retaliation, the Bush administration gave the Taliban ultimatum or two weeks ago. I gave Taliban leaders a series of clear and specific demands close terrorist training camps, handover leaders of the al-qaeda network and return all foreign nationals, including American citizens unjustly detained in your country. None of these demands were met and now the Taliban will pay a price. Missile explosions light up the night time skies, and the aircraft tracers streak over the capital city, Kabul. And specifically what was the Talibans role in the planning and the execution of September eleventh attacks, there is decent consensus, most of the Taliban were not aware of the specifics of what bin Laden, and Al Qaeda were planning cooking up. So what the Taliban ended up kind of providing was the protection for a guy who had a history of doing things like this. And that history suggests that was probably going to do it again. And despite that they had harboured him. So that's what came to bite. On my orders. The United States military has begun strikes against al-qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan when the US undertakes this military action enough ghanistan what kind of distinction does it make between al-qaeda which is the attack and the Taliban, which is given al-qaeda refuge. There is no distinction. The military action. We are taking we talk it'd against places we know to be involved in the outcome. The network of terra or against the military, upper authors of the Taliban. We are joined in this operation by our staunch friend, Great Britain, other close friends, including Canada, Australia, Germany and France have pledged forces as the operation unfolds. We're talking about a government of largely simple Mola's for all of a sudden finding themselves in the middle of one of the biggest. Stories in the world more than forty countries in the Middle East, Africa, Europe and across Asia have granted air transit or landing rights. We are supported by the collective will the world. It is complete sense of retaliation and the Taliban didn't put up much resistance. Actually. They've never faced the kind of power that they faced from US air campaign, the jets flying overhead the size of the bombs and the frequency of the airstrikes. They started running pretty quickly. And that moment something happens that could have changed. The course of the war pretty early on. Women lucky. Which is why? Some of their most important leaders draw a letter, which essentially is a surrender letter for very very minimal demands. Which is they wanted safety in return for surrender. And they sent that letter that the drafted to Hamad Karzai darkly. Ron did buddy. Who had just been appointed as an intern president of Ghana stunned. So they send this letter to him saying, hey, we don't think we can win anymore done. We want safe in return for this. And our understanding is at Hamad Karzai communicated that message to the Pentagon and the American officials us in contact with. And what happened was the signal that came back was pretty clear signal from Donald Rumsfeld. Who was secretary defensive time saying we do not talk to terrorists we are not authorizing. If anyone wonders negotiations, which would result in freeing, people that ought not to be free freeing of people who kill other people as terrorists freeing of people who have record of harboring terrorists. We are not in the business of authorizing any kind of negotiation, which would let people like that go. So what was the Bush administration's? Thinking in so quickly rejecting this offer to end the war and enter some kind of negotiation with the Taliban. Will we have to remember that all of this is happening in matter of weeks after those massive attacks? So in the psyche in the American psyche. But also in the calculation of the Bush administration, there's a lot of sense of hurt in revenge in and all of that. So they are grunting on that kind of energy had we retaliate in a way that makes it clear we won't tolerate something like this again and partially because the nature of the Taleban defeat was so swift that one could see why the US would want a pure victory that if this government of the Taliban collapsed in just a matter of weeks than why not finish it off. And you can have the full glory. And that was the launch of what has become the seventeen year, bloody war. Doc. With Lynton learning you can access over thirteen thousand online courses top by real world. Experts to help you land that job nail that new project or earned that next promotion Lincoln learning recommends courses based on your career and helps you learn skills. Employers are looking for at every level. Keep learning all the moments that matter to your career child Lincoln learning free for one month at linked in learning dot com slash daily linked in learning dot com slash daily. Afghanistan. A large scale salt at one of the most violent regions of the country left six American soil this morning suicide bomber killed thirty two people in an attack in eastern Afghanistan. The body of staff surgeon Chester McBride came home to report from the United Nations says civilian casualties of the war enough kenniston have risen to record levels in the last year as commander in chief. I have the termined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional thirty thousand US troops staff. Ghanistan Afghanistan enemy sniper tames attack. U S marines and Afghan troops as several gun battles erupted, Monday, the financial and human cost of the war and ghanistan has gone up every year over the past five years. No one denies that. We have inherited a challenging and troubling situation in Afghanistan war in Ghana. Stan now it's eighteenth year. The American people are weary. Of war without victory. Wore Inam Aghanistan has caused America. The lives of more than twenty two hundred US troops one trillion US dollars yet the Taliban now hold more territory than at any time since the invasion. Jeep how is the Taliban remained such a potent fighting force in this period, despite the military might of the US and its coalition allies. I mean, it it seems almost inconceivable. The most important factor is the Taliban had a safe haven across the border in Pakistan in a place where they could not be targeted bay could take rest they could plan. Dick could be trained. They could be supplied. They could come back and that problem of safe havens, just did not change it all in seventeen years that was one problem. The second thing was that we're talking about a place where there was no government structures. The US turn to warlords to militia leaders to politicians who didn't have great track record as their partners and the power and the money the weapons that went to them. They abused all of that that created. Grievances that created space for the Taliban to exploited in to recruit from the rally against what was this American funded project enough themselves and during these years as the Taliban insurgency is growing in strength and effectiveness does the US at all we consider the possibility of negotiating with them of sitting down and starting to think through what a peace deal might look like with them for a good decade. The US had a military. I ball the idea of talking to Taliban was not entertained much and wanted that military. I approach last for so long. Was it US national pride was it? Still smoldering anger at the Taliban over September eleventh. What was keeping the US from ignoring what seems like the reality of the Talibans reach and power. Our and threats. I think it was a mix of all those things if you talk to diplomats commanders in officials who involve during those years, they would say initially the military hubris and fried in this greatest military in the world wanting to tackle this problem in going at it head on that kicked him. So that decade than became a mindset that the military was so heavily invested in this place. An entire generation of military leaders kind of grew up in this war. The for them admitting not even defeat admitting to the weakness that they couldn't tackle this problem military. It was big road that was hard for them to cross. So what began as we refuse to negotiate with the Taliban because of what they have been apart of became we refuse to lose to the Taliban. Absolutely. And now has become. We will lose this war, and you can win this war either. Until I guess now. Until now the United States is eager to end this nearly eighteen year involvement in the war enough ghanistan which has killed tens of thousands of civilians soldiers and tied by our circuitry of state. Mr. pump said that we the United States are ready to talk with the Taliban and discussed the role of international force now states will support facilitate and participate in these discussions. The American military commanders are talking more about peace than civilian sometimes it feels and we'll see what happens, but we are talking about peace. I don't know that they're going to be successful. Maybe not probably than who knows. It might be. They might not, you know, my attitude and all of that stuff. Whether it's North Korea or anybody else, maybe they are going to be successful. Maybe they're not going to be. But we have negotiations going on right now enough ghanistan. Some would you what do these negotiations that the US is now having with the Taliban look like so you've had a pretty large size of American. Diplomats officials in the room across the table from a decently size, Taliban delegation, and a couple cutlery diplomats in their sort of mediating facilitating and they've been going at it for hours and hours some sessions lasting eight nine hours. What has changed? Now is that the Taliban side comes with a little more thority wear. They engaged in discussions of limited couple issues and those two. Issues are the American withdrawal of their forces in return for the American demand of the Taliban, the Taliban guarantee that the Afghan soil would not be used again by terrorists like Okada to attack the United States. So how different is that deal? From what the Taliban was offering when it wrote that letter in two thousand and one to Karzai in the US in terms of what the outcome ends of being in practical terms for the US and for the US national security interests. It is pretty similar, but in terms of the spirit this perception back, then it would have been defeated Taliban, offering a surrender. Now, you've got a Taliban trying to negotiate the best therms. They can out of a pretty strong position against an American government. That is in a hurry to get out that their president President Trump is losing patience with this war in the diplomats were negotiating for President Trump that table are moving what kind of urgency where everybody else is saying this is America in withdrawal. This is Americans trying to create as much face saving for leaving award. They could not win a special. So it's kind of the same deal for the Taliban that they offered seventeen years ago, but arguably significantly worse. Deal for the United States the same deal in terms of what the Taliban are conceding, but not the same deal because the Taliban the time would be conceding defeat. But now they'll be conceding in return for pretty good terms and the nature of those storms that is what is creating concern. Now is that the US is so entirely focused on these two issues, but the Taliban are willing to give these US pretty easily because they have their eye on the real prize, which is what which is their role in the future of STAN how much share of the power they'll get and they think if they can satisfy the US and the US starts wrapping up here. They will only get more than what they already thing. They can get enough Garsten because the Afghan government side is so dependent on the US both finan-. Intially militarily. But also in this perception of having strong bulwark of a partner in the US, and the US is signaling such rush such urgency to get out that it's leaving them vulnerable on all those fronts. So the US is negotiating primarily with the Taliban. It's like you're saying in kind of cutting out the Afghan government that it supported for seventeen years. That's intriguing. Yes. Yes. And partially that was because the Taliban for a long time had that as their main demand that they would only negotiate with those who overthrew them, which was the US military and even conceding that demand the Taliban that they would only negotiate with the US. I lot of people are seeing in that signs of how desperate the US's an how slippery. It's negotiating positions are in this effort to secure a disengagement from this costly long conflict. So we are negotiating with the Taliban now on their own terms on their own, basically. And how has that left? The people in Afghanistan feeling I have too much you talk to people your friends, your neighbors, your family about this. What did they think about the fact that the US is negotiating with the Taliban and negotiating as the Taliban wants is negotiations to go. We need to remember that when the Taliban I started they came the back of this anarchy. And although there were an oppressive group, they brought people physical safety in the past seventeen years, and increasingly more and more. So the Taliban have resorted to tactics that have been absolutely Afghanistan. As a recent surge of deadly van claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing overnight and these sixty people dead and hundred fifty one inch officials say the attacker driving, ambulance packed with explosives, finish security checkpoints, designating voice recognize exclusives and ambulances that blow up in public around about killing dozens and dozens of people Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack this morning. Blast comes one week after Taliban attack on a hotel in the city. People died after an attack on a children's agency. This morning have killed nineteen security. Personnel. Officials say eight of them dumb-down phone game with ten Afghan soldiers died during an assault on a military academies. The fifteenth talk in Kabul in the post twelve months, the deadliest since two thousand one the kind of bloody attacks that people will not forget so on the one hand when people think that this group will return to have a share of the power all of the brutality that they've been associated with in. Recent years will be very fresh on the other hand, you have parts of the country where the values and the freedoms and the luxuries that came with the past seventeen years of attention and money that came to the urban areas of the cities to build this new democratic Afganistan as an alternative detachable their large parts of the country that those values that much. Money that attention did not trickle down at en- does parts. The only thing that has trickled in the teen years has been the violence in the bombing. So for them they just wanted to end. Because it makes little difference. Whether it is the government of Ashraf Ghani, or if it's the Taliban. That's in power. I wonder has the Taliban become more of a terrorist group more of a deadly lethal force now than when the US dismissed them in two thousand one as terror group that it wouldn't negotiate myth in is that perhaps in part because of the war that's waged against the US and its allies. Absolutely. There's no doubt about that. So if we're giving the Taliban a peace deal now or are on the verge of giving them a Peacedale when they are more violent than when this all started in two thousand and one and when we dismissed them and said, no, we won't talk to you. Because we think of you as terrorists what was the point of this twenty year, long war? Precisely that is a question or a lot of people are asking and deal me way out of this war. When you talk to American officials is if they give the Taliban a public justification that the war that they've raised insurgency that they're fought for seventeen years was justified in worth. As seems like the Americans are willing to give them that to find a way out of this. And it raises the question. What did the United States and fight for your seventeen? Would you? Thank you very much. Thank you like. Interview with CBS Margaret Brennan broadcast on Sunday. President Trump said that the US was close to a peace with the Taliban. And I think that they I think they're tired. And I think everybody started we had to get out of these endless wars and bring our folks back home. Now that doesn't mean we're not going to be watching with intelligence. We're going to be watching and watching closely. Brennan asked the president what would happen if I'll Qaeda or any other terrible return to ghanistan after US troops leave. And we'll come back if we have to have very faster planes. We have very good cargo planes. We can come back very quickly and. Yours. What else you need to? Is there anything he can do that would somehow convince you to give him more time in office, the governor of Virginia? Ralph north is rejecting calls from fellow Democrats that he resigned after the revelation of a racist photograph on his medical school. You know, and I consider we were elected to the Senate at the same time. Look he's lost the authority to lead. He's lost authority to govern. He has to resign isn't the best interest to the cardinal sin. The best interest of the party. The photograph of one man wearing black faced the other AKU Klux Klan was discovered by a local blogger on Friday prompting a written apology from north but on Saturday north reversed himself during a news conference saying he had not appeared in the photo. And was unsure how it ended up on his European. When I was confronted with the images yesterday. I was appalled that they appeared on my page. But I believe in and now that I am not either of the people in that photo by Sunday almost every major democratic leader in the country as well as the head of the end of lease EP had called on north to step down saying the decision to put the photo on his yearbook page, whether he was in the photo or not made it impossible for him to represent Virginia. As governor just just to be clear, if it turned out that he's not in that photo that wasn't hand in the photo. And he had nothing to do that photo going on his plate. He was there as a mix up as he seemed to indicate at the press conference yesterday that would make no difference to you at this juncture. No, you know, he finished medical school was received a yearbook with a racist of pitcher on his page in the yearbook, and he has said nothing about it. That's if the I'm Michael seawall. The daily offers extraordinary reporting similar to how first Republic Bank offers extrordinary service to its clients at first Republic Bank. 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SITUATION ROOM: THE OSAMA BIN LADEN RAID

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SITUATION ROOM: THE OSAMA BIN LADEN RAID

"What really happened is produced by Dwayne the rock Johnson. Danny Garcia, Brian Goertz, seven bucks. Productions in cadence thirteen. I'm your writer and host. Andrew Jackson can be found on Instagram Twitter Facebook at Andrew Jenks. Let's get this story started. Sally man once said photographs open doors into the past, but they also allow a look into the future after the terrorist attacks that occurred on September eleventh two thousand one the United States of America spent nearly ten years and really many years before that attempting to track down and kill the man most responsible Osama bin Laden on may I may second in Pakistan, two thousand eleven the United States navy seals of the US naval special warfare development group did just that in an operation code named operation Neptune. Spear tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world. The United States has conducted operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaeda. There is one photo from that day, which has reached that upper echelon of icon ick photos from US history. Interestingly the celebrated photos. Isn't a photo of one of the navy seals on the ground during the operation. It isn't even a photo. From the raid. It isn't a photo of a dead bin Laden not his body being dumped in the north Arabian Sea Nora photo captured on some sort of automatic camera attached to a helicopter from the mission. Instead, what became an iconic photo from that day in history is a bunch of people squeezed into a conference room this now, I conduct photo is simply titled the situation room during parts of the operation, the president of the United States members of his cabinet and other key officials watched in the situation room. I remember when I first saw this photo thinking, that's the situation room the room doesn't look like those out of fatal vision show. You don't see any fancy LCD screen snaps which are color coded by where there's the highest chance of war breaking out. I don't know something that you, and I couldn't believe hearing it actually exists. There's a secret presidential. Elevator to the moon type stuff. But ultimately, it just looks like a very basic conference room in this photo rec- about half of what seems to be a pretty long table. There are a half dozen laptops, an office coffee Cup that looks like those paper coffee cups that are in most offices has like different shades of Brown. It's a good example of how normal the photo is. And then how surreal it becomes because right next to that Brown coffee Cup his another coffee Cup, which is stamped with the presidential seal. Six or sitting seven standing around to other people who are standing or technically in the photo their chest and shoulder respectively. But you can't see either of their faces. They're also seems to be the back of someone's head. And then there's one individual as turns out who was cropped out of the photo because it would be too wide of a shot. Everyone is looking up at something. What the public safely assumes to be monitors? Watching the raid taking place in real. Time secretary of state Hillary Clinton covers her mouth. She reportedly had allergies. But as one can imagine there are conspiracy theories around that vice president Joe Biden, look somber and sort of slumped in his chair, a Lieutenant General sits at the head of the table. Busy on a laptop likely making sure they can communicate with the two men on the monitors which is the man in charge of the mission. General William mcraven in Pakistan and also up on a screen is then CIA director Leon Panetta at CIA's headquarters in Langley Virginia. There is also one other thing they are looking at and that is the mission itself. President Barack Obama wearing a blue windbreaker and a white collar Gulf shirt sits in the back corner of the room watching on with everyone else, I've got to see this. He reportedly said, I've always had basic questions. Like when exactly was the photo taken turns out. It's not so simple was a during the raid had they known bin Laden was dead. Yet. Why was that room so damn small, and what was it like for those thirteen people the main players if you will Obama Clinton, Biden gates have talked about this photo and the experience in various ways through books, they've written speeches. They've given interviews on shows like sixty minutes, and what I've tried to do is make sure that every time I sit down the situation room every one of my advisers around their nose. I expect them to give me their best assessments. I worked for a lot of these guys. And this is one of the most courageous calls decisions that I think I've ever seen a president make. And then finally, you know, all the helicopters were up and out and on their way back to Afghantistan. Unlike these quote, unquote, main players, unless you're really into politics or government, you likely don't know some of the people also in the photo again, there's thirteen faces you can see in total. So I wondered what were their accounts? I had no idea who a few of them were. And so began doing some research, some individuals did interviews here and there, but not as much as I would have thought. And so I got in touch with some interesting people some had been in the situation room right around the time the photo was taken. But we're well, maybe smoking a cigarette. I spoke with Ben Rhodes one of Obama's most trusted advisers. Interesting moment for me. You know, I I also I, you know, I actually the famous photo of Obama. I I was outside. I was nervous to go in the room. Then I was able to get in touch with an official who technically is in the photo. Meet Nick, I'm in the famous one. But my shoulder blade. Isn't it? That's about all you can kinda see my clavicle, though, can just see kind of the top of a shirt, you know, a shoulder that was my my contribution to that photo. Then I was able to get in touch with an official whose face is in the photo barely making it as head peeks from above the shoulder of the chief of staff at the time, Bill Daley, meet Tony, you know. And if you look at that picture. I'm in I'm in the background kind of leaning in and a couple of weeks later after all of this had happened. Mike Mullen, who is the chairman of the joint chiefs was on the David Letterman show and Letterman pulls up this photograph on TV on national TV zooms in on me in the background and says to to Molin. This guy's not supposed to be there. Right. Wandered off the tour. CNN called it a photo for the ages. And it's on any number of lists chronicling the most famous photos in American history. Once I had spoken with Tony, Nick. And Ben I needed to track down one more person. And that was the one person necessary for the photo even happened White House photographer Pete Souza, really blue walls in that little road. Because out of have to push people out of the way, you know. And I wasn't about to do that. It's just trying to not make any noise. Affecting what's taking place at all? And I thought the angle I had pretty good. This is the time line of that full day the day bin Laden was killed from those who are apart of this photos history. This photos story, these are the people. Religiously read about in the news, the people who are not household names. Reno what happened at least what's not classified Osama bin Laden was killed and a group of senior US officials and the president watched from the situation room, but reflexively received this information from the main players who are in the room or on screen, but maybe it's equally interesting or even more telling to hear from the people in the room who don't have to worry so much about their own legacy. Maybe version is a bit more street. Maybe their version can help tell us the story of what really happened. During the Obama administration. Ben Rhodes was deputy national security advisor for strategic communications he worked with Obama from the start of his presidential campaign all the way through the presidency. Many say if there's anyone who knows the president. It's bet he was a big part of the Cuba agreement the Cuban thaw in two thousand fifteen when the US and Cuba made steps towards normalizing relations. But then what were called sonic attacks happened? People started hearing these bizarre noises the current administration started to empty out the embassy. It's a long story retell it this season episode two in secret sonic warfare. The point is I brought up to him in our conversation these situation room photo because he was with Obama for such a long time, particularly on the national security side as a reminder when the photo was taken Ben was birthday. I l I you know, I actually famous photo with the. Obama. I I was outside. I was too nervous to go in the room. I was already thinking of doing an episode on the situation room photo. I did have some basic questions. But most of the main players were during me, they wouldn't respond to requests for interviews or they declined. So I thought some more maybe there's another story then I got in contact with some of those whose names I hadn't heard of before I reached out to them. But a few of those individuals are still actively serving and also politely declined. That's when I figured I'd ask Ben if he could put me in touch with others in the photo who are oftentimes overlooked in the press people who were also integral in the months leading up to the raid. And don't really get there. Do I was surprised that after thinking it through then did have to specific people in mind, Tony bunket? And Nick, Rasmussen might be people that are. I've never heard them talk about this publicly, but we're certainly in every room. Nick, Rasmussen was the director of the national counterterrorism center. It's a pretty serious job. He definitely gets overlooked Nick joined the State Department as an intern in nineteen Ninety-one and has worked under several administrations, including George W Bush, Barack Obama and he even lasted a year in the Trump organs. I mean administration TV's kind of the guy responsible for moving the pieces around by responsible for the moving pieces around. Well, it was Knicks job to bring together. Other federal agencies like the FBI CIA and defense department the national counterterrorism center, which she led had begun at the recommendation of the nine eleven commission to me, it seems like among others. Knicks hard work was playing out in real time on that day. Nick was headed to the office that morning on may first two thousand one. The sun was rising at six eleven AM. And it was a nice day overall in DC about sixty eight degrees and by four in the afternoon, Osama bin Laden would be dead. But Nick doesn't know yet what will happen. So he makes an unlikely stop on the way to the situation room. I don't consider myself, particularly religious know. I kinda grew up with a Catholic upbringing, but I'm not the world's most religious person. But on the way to work that morning since it was a Sunday morning. I literally just stopped in, you know, for ten fifteen minutes at our neighborhood Catholic church near where I live in Alexandria, Virginia. And I just wanted a few moments of kind of quiet solitude before going into work. You know, I'd say a prayer. But I don't know how how truly religious I am. But I was certainly thinking of, you know, the men who would be in harm's way that day if you know just how consequential a day, it was going to be if if the operation did in fact commence that day, and I just wanted a couple of minutes alone, you know, in that kind of church setting just to. You know, have a good thought for you know, but everybody would come back safely, and it would turn out. Right. And so then I after that continued on my way to work the second person been thought of Tony Blinken would have been in every meeting during the raid in two thousand eleven Tony Blinken was the deputy assistant to the president and national security advisor to the vice president as a reminder. Tony's the man you can see in the photo. And who Letterman joked about he sure seems like one very nice guy. Hey, tony. It's Andrew Jenks. How are you? And then in my research, I also noticed that there's not you don't talk a lot about or at least have been interviewed a lot or have spoken a lot about what happened during that. Then Laden raid is is there any reason for that? Or maybe I'm just over thinking it, you know, I think I haven't spoken a lot about the small part. I played in the law mission in part because. The entire group. That was involved. We saw it as an extraordinary responsibility. I think we were each of us six pride and whatever role we played, but it's not something that we've celebrated or or made a big deal beyond what happened in the total, of course, events. And so it's just something that I think we look back on both the process, and and then a moment of a great satisfaction seeing Justice done after so many years, and it should speak for itself them Tony remiss guys like you don't forget, these individuals, Ben, Tony and Nick new for quite a while this secret America may know, where Osama bin Laden is Nick, the former director of the national counterterrorism center said about how often secrets leak in Washington, including really really really important secrets and for this not. To have leaked in the run-up speaks to you know, I would say. A lot of things, but it speaks to the character of all of those people who were involved they could keep that secret as much as they might have wanted to tell somebody such a good point. Right. You say over to two dozen or agency meetings, you'd written absolutely tension to racial security, discretion and secrecy. So exactly and that meant that meant cutting out and not and not talking about it with a lot of people who are very close to you personally and professionally and who you worked with unvarying sensitive things said Tony Blinken I for some of us a small group of us. This is a very very long long process. A very small group of us in in the White House, literally a handful where prize of the information intelligence community develops the previous August or September. I know one of the things that worried me was how do you explain to certain members of my team why this person and not that person got to be involved because it's not as if I couldn't have used more help or it's not because I I certainly had. Trust in those other individuals. Most of the major cabinet secretaries diagnose going on a half dozen the White House did obviously folks in the intelligence community, very small number and the department of defense, and then it wasn't until into the next year that Adam craven came in to actually develop a an operation. You know, there was just this. Almost ruthless attention to secrecy here. For season one of the show. I was really exhausted. It wasn't the work. I love the work. I run to work. It was that. I woke up a lot of mornings in a crappy mood. Not a lot of energy yellower back that always felt sore for season two myself and really the whole team took it up another level in terms of episodes, hopefully quality of the content but for me during season two I didn't find myself exhausted. Instead, I got a sleep number bed which has been a game changer for me, I'm able to pick my ideal firmness, which makes a huge difference. Also, the sleep number three, sixty smart beds are so smart. They censor every move. So they automatically adjust to me keeping me sleeping comfortably throughout the night. My sleep number setting his fifty my partners is so I don't have one. So sometimes what I do is. I go to the other side of the bed and lay there and try to imagine what type of sleep number. My ideal lady friend would have it's also fifty sleepnumber has been ranked highest in customer satisfaction with mattress. By Jd power for twenty eight teen award information, visit JD power dot com. This part is really important come in during the January savings event and save up to five hundred dollars on select number three, sixty smart beds. Seib numbers the official sleep in wellness partner of the NFL you'll only find sleepnumber at one of their five hundred and seventy-five sleepnumber stores nationwide. Visit and this is important, visit sleepnumber dot com slash W R H as in what really happened, sleepnumber dot com slash W. R H to find the one nearest you time to meet Pete Souza. Pete Souza is the former chief official White House photographer for both US presidents Reagan and Obama he was Obama 's official photographer for all eight years and worked with him while he was still a Senator he traveled everywhere with the president and along with his team. Took around one point nine million photos, while Obama was president Pete is a funny and interesting guy, he was included on the new republic's list of Washington's most powerful least famous people when the time called for it. He had no issues using an iphone and of those nearly two million photos. Today's photo would likely become his most famous. Well, surprise, it was going into the office and told her that I on probably going to be gone most of the day and probably most of my. And she knew enough not to ask questions, and quite frankly, there wasn't much could tell her anybody all four of their spouses didn't find it too suspicious. They were leaving for work on Sunday morning because it was not exactly a rare thing for to be in the office for chunk of the weekend. It's not unusual for me to be in the office on Saturday and Sunday, we gathered I think around seven thirty AM in the situation room the cabinet level folks came in and the president came in a little bit later. I think around ten thirty A M literally we spent the morning hours at the White House. Just kind of continuing to do a lot of the preparatory staff officer work, just preparing I hate to say paper, but paper we had a bunch of different play books of. Okay. If things go, well, this is what needs to happen in the aftermath. You know, all the different steps we need to take. And also things go, you know, badly, if it's a disastrous military operation, or bin Laden proves not to be there. There. And we have to go contain the firestorm in the aftermath of an operation where we violated another country's sovereignty Pakistan. You know, those were all scenarios we were playing with. So we had kind of detailed playbook for each of those scenarios, and we were putting the finishing touches on some of that work, even as that day started much of this work was going on in the situation room the room. I assumed would look like it was from the future. But apparently was like any other conference room to your office is on the ground floor. You're just down the hallway from the situation room. What what see if there's a way to? I don't know describe it. What's the energy like around the situation room? Do you is a like when you this is elementary here. But you walk by the principal's office, you kind of make sure you don't smile because you never know what's going on in the principal's office or how does that work? I think it'd be interesting to people, you know, you have to enter the situation room through a door that a window right in and when you pass that door, you'd think you're passing their different in the universe. Would. I learned was that it isn't the situation room as much as it is the situation rooms. They're three different conference rooms of different sizes on the walls or the times in you know, it always says the time and where the president is always says the time on zoo time, which is a twenty four hour clock used by the us military. But then there's also the time, and like whatever the places in the world where there's a crisis. So be the time and in Kabul, or in Moscow, or you know, until you feel like you're walking onto the set of drama. You know, where you know, you're going to be responding to something, you know, these decisions are weighty the clocks on twenty four hour times at this kind of a military aspect to it. And it all times somebody's in there. Like you from the the crack Don till the end of the day. There's some meeting taking place in there that is likely about, you know, a pretty waiting matter could be whether or not to have an operation that kills somebody. Right. It could be the question of war and peace could be a matter of of our farm policy. So. It is a different energy around it, and you do feel when tide of it because it's heavily secured, their no windows light. You're in some inner sanctum where you know, where slut number of people are making pretty important. This is and Pete it. It's winner in the. Situation room that you discover the you know, you hear that they're talking about bin Laden. What's that like for you? When you when it's finally in a way revealed to you what they've been talking about this whole time, it served one of those things where you know, what it might be. Then when you hear it. It's like holy shit. That's what I thought at holy shit. And I and I said to myself. You know, you do a job like this. You take this job as White House too tired for knowing, you know, the the sacrifice you Megan terms of your personal time family time. It takes us job because you wanna be there went the streets happening. Well, you know, I was seeing Lee aware that this would be very historic day. And you know, didn't know how it was gonna turn out. But knew that. Success or no success? This is gonna be a no mantis day. So that's what I was thinking right away. There was a weird component to the room. Certainly the people the White House in up to an including the president. I imagined did not want to be interfering or somehow appearing to be, you know, micromanaging this military operation from, you know, five thousand miles away, or however many thousand miles away, it is that's a little bit of a, you know, it doesn't usually work that way, but mcraven and the other senior military leaders also knew that there was there needed to be visibility at the White House, and and in real time as to what was happening. And so they set up this communications link that allowed. Bill mcraven to be on video conference in. He was both monitoring and commanding the operation inside his military only communications channel. But then also connected to the White House and other departments and agencies like the CIA, and you know, the defense department at the Pentagon so that he couldn't affect help us all maintain situational awareness. You know, what was going on? And what happened that day we were in the large conference room, which is across the hall meeting with President Obama, and you know, all of his top aide and Obama learned that across the hall. There was this general who was monitoring the the raid. There was a seed that was going right into the smaller conference room that was giving kind of real time. Now ration- from Admiral mcraven, and and others at the Pentagon as the mission was moving forward. And so basically, he realized there was a better seat. And so he balked across the hall and went into that room. And what was interesting you can tell him that picture the generalist sitting at the head of that table Obama goes in and just sits in a small kind of fold out. You're almost next to him. And then everybody else is gonna packed into the room to be in the room where the president was never afraid to switch it the bigger. They thought they might lose the say, no, they didn't realize the president wanted to be there while the raiders they play. So that's how we found ourselves in that little. This was news to me. They didn't realize the president was going to watch the famous photo in the smallest of the situation. Room's almost never happened of all the different moving parts. It seems like nobody thought and there's a lot going on that Obama would ultimately sit and watch parts of the raid. We also had some things up on the screen, not as you might imagine from a movie, maybe feels with cameras on their on the giving us that kind of granular view of what was going on. No, this is from way way above. So you couldn't make out much beyond kind of dots. Moving around what was happening in the situation room in the days and months leading up to the raid. President Obama wanted other people's opinions, and this is a hallmark of a President Obama, the which is to say that you know, if you're in the situation room about where you were sitting if you're at the table behind the table is in this case, I was he he wanted to hear from everyone and. He wanted to hear from people who are cedar long primer the room as well. As the folks at the table, so yes, they had an opportunity on on on a number of occasions when he was sitting in the chair to, you know, get my my views and thin, and what did each of these guys say to the president, Tony Blinken? And Nick, Rasmussen were understandably vague, look, I don't I don't wanna say what what my own vice capital. I think it's appropriate that that that stay in the in the room. I had expressed my view that I thought this was a risk worth taking and I'm might even have said that in the presence of the president. I don't know vice president Joe Biden us Ben Rhodes what he was thinking. It's engineer. We were the younger guys who'd been with Obama on the campaign to send them t- turned us. It could be like, you know. Hey, what do you think the boss is thinking and not that he didn't have his own window into that? But I think he liked to just test different weather vanes, you know, and we said to him, look, you know, bama's. Always said he would do this. You know back in the campaign. We had this big dust up because Obama said you're going to give him month. So we just had been think that like, you know, this was a brisk fee, he was gonna take Nick is worked for different presidents and didn't wanna compare leadership styles. But said I mean, I can I can talk about how I assessed evaluated. How Obama you know operated in this particular environment? I'm this particular mission in question, and one of the things that I admired was he? As you've you've done a lot when I'm sure and doing your your background research. You've seen you know, the questions about whether the intelligence was fifty percent likelihood of being right or seventy percent or eighty percent. Those are all things we were kind of debating at the table in the days and weeks leading up to this and some people around that table and pudding, very very senior people were getting very hung up on whether you know, we think there's a fifty percent chance and eighty percent chance of seventy five percent chance and one of the things I admired about the president. Was he internalized? It seemed to me very early on that he wasn't going to get certainty. And absent certainty. Whether the number was sixty or seventy eighty or fifty probably didn't mean a whole lot. In terms of the decision. He would have to make you had to make a decision and it really in the end became binary for him. It seemed. Is there enough of a chance that we have to do this? And that's I think where he came down. There was enough of a chance that there really wasn't a way to not do this. You know, I think everybody in the White House and others assembled had extremely high confidence in the skills and capability and the professionalism of of the the guys doing the operation. But then there was just all these unknowns. You know, things go wrong, even when things are really well planned and really well executed. So there was a lot of nervous apprehension in the period leading up to the arrival on the compound, just all these unknowns. Speaking of unknowns, as it turns out in the corner of the room is perhaps the most invisible guy who's working with his own set of unknowns. I've always wanted to better understand the stock market and sort out how you invest in. What's that like, and maybe I could even make a little bit of money. 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The camera makes I assume not I mean, I. I mean, I in my experience it does make noise. But yeah, there's a silent mode on the camera. But it's it's not really silent. It's quiet. So it's not very noticeable. But yet, you know, use motor dry rapid succession of frames. So I tried to do one frame at a time just to make it that much whiter. And so you you say in your book, it was you took that photo at four zero five PM frame to ten does. That mean, it was the two hundred tenth photo you took that day or that day. I ended up taking more than a thousand that day a little over a hundred in that room Zarni worried any point like battery level or or something, that's you know. The biggest concern I had was was depth of field with a a room like that. It's not that well with you wanna be able to try to see clearly everybody's faces. And yet, you know, you got Bob gates right next to you. And you got rock Obama far away from you. And you want them to be you know, as much in focused both of them as possible Pete's photograph is interesting because it's a bunch of people looking at something that we can't see. And so without context, you don't know what that's something else. Even is everyone. I spoke with do remember that general mcraven was giving an intricate play by play and Tony Blinken recalls. Mcraven from the outset was vital. I'm realizing for what you said earlier, you you may not want to answer this. That when Admiral mcraven comes comes to see the president after the rehearsals and says that yes, we can do this. And I think you've talked about how Admiral mcraven has this confidence. While also not in the slightest is blustering or bragging. Do you recall the president saying anything to you after this when he hears that mcraven says listen Rican? Do this woke without attributing any any particular words, the president what I can tell you is that Admiral mcraven both throughout the process, and in that final meeting in particular just created a an extraordinary sense of of confidence. I think in the president and in in the entire senior senior team, but yeah, we can do this. And it's exactly as you described it he was confident without being a blustery without being arrogant and the higher the pressure got the lower his temperature got and the and did his blood pressure, a truly extraordinary leader. And he just inspired confidence in and everyone from the president on down. I think it, you know, was that little extra something that. I I I don't know this. Tell me this. But I think probably gave the president the confidence to again, go ahead on the basis of very very imperfect information if you made the decision to go you had to be prepared to live with the risk of being a having bad intelligence. And and similarly if you chose not to go he'd have to live with the risk, if it was, you know, proven later that bin Laden was there, and he hadn't acted think about how politically devastating that would have been to President Obama or any administration if they had, you know, quote failed to act on information like that could bring could could ultimately destroy his presidency. Once the mission was actually launched. It is Justice intense process of waiting the navy seals. I tend to get to Pakistan and bin Laden's compound this took about ninety minutes. So we all just kind of sitting there. And you know, I remember the couple of stories that stood out. The one was Dennis McDonough who end up being staff, he was a Capitol Hill staffer, and he was describing the chaos in the capital as people were evacuated and they're running and and there's bad information. There was people thought that a plane was headed towards the capital and impact point may have been headed towards capitalist probably ninety three into that gave a sense of. I wasn't in Washington that day, but the the I see a picture of you know, the real seat of American government feeling under attack. And then there was somebody else there who had been at the Pentagon that day and was kind of describing the scene of you know, just. Her horrendous, you know, fire and people badly burned, and and trying to evacuate people into the stories that were most resonant and basil were the ones about, you know, people being in places that had been actively under attack. Nick talk to me about where he was in life around the time of September eleventh two thousand one some number of days after nine eleven I had the the head of the office at the national Security Council staff doing terrorism related stuff at the time of nine eleven was a guy named dick Clark pretty famous, and you know, at least in government circles and dick had been my first boss at the State Department in nineteen ninety one when I came out of school. And then here he was at the White House, and he had asked me to come work for him doing terrorism stuff at the national Security Council, and I I think July somewhere in July interviewed with Condoleeza Rice. And just you know, the process kind of work. Out that I would start sometime after Labor Day and the pick the day on the calendar was Monday because the word when you know, HR folks, wanted people to show up on Mondays for intention and mine just happened to be, you know, September sixteenth or seventeenth something like that. So. Sitting at home. You know, having finished my other job but waiting to start at the White House. And then, you know, literally sitting at home watching the news on September eleventh, knowing I was supposed to be joining the office of the White House doing this work, you know, just a few days later, and of course, a few days later, I did jump in with with the others. So it was kind of a. Weird bit of fate. And it really ended up being kind of a turn towards the set of issues that kind of took my career in a different direction for you know, pretty much the last seventeen eighteen years that direction helped the NFC the national counterterrorism center where multiple agencies communicated to combat terrorism in some ways may first two thousand eleven was an example of this work. I've been in New York City, and I've kind of seen the second plane hit the tower and the first tower false, and and so, you know, it was interesting as an in this hour and a half hour waiting for helicopters get there, you know, something in the psychology of the moment kind of wet us all that to relive the events of the day while waiting President Obama heads back upstairs. Pete, obviously falls along at some point. Obama looks at Pete he tells you, you know, all all hell could break loose today. What's? It like to hear that. Do you do you even respond? What do you do in that moment? When I when I heard him say that I thought. Presidency's totally online and Pete is a human. Is there any is there any response that you can even give to that to to the president? I mean, I don't I mean, maybe you can't answer this. But is it is it like, you know, boy, you're right. Boy, you are you right, sir. Or is it are you trying to think of something to maybe relax them a bit? Yeah. I mean, I think I knowledge. What do you said? I, you know, I probably just said. Yeah. I I know or something like that. I mean, there's not much you can say I mean, I think that part of it was. You know, he couldn't he couldn't say that to anybody from his national security team. Right. But you know, he looked at me sorta confidante, and friend and documentarian. This presidency. And I just I think he doesn't show is emotions and situation like that the outwardly, but I can't imagine the pressure that must have felt in making this decision. When we we got word that the operation succeeded that bin Laden had been found and had resisted and was killed. We've course had to try to make a positive identification. And the first thing that the team on the ground. Did they sent back photographs and without getting into the gory detail these were not plus get but from what we could tell it. Sure looks like bin Laden, but it was a photograph. And then you wanna get on actual samples back blood samples can samples you name it. But that takes some time. In the meantime, we thought let's let's get a measurement of of. The person we talked to even Laden because famously we knew that bin Laden was exceptionally tall. And we knew how tall he was. But by the time, they they had the the bodies forgive the gruesome details, the one thing they didn't have a tape measure. And so the the the immediate way that they figured out how to get a sense of how tall he was was to lie down next to him. One of the seals known to be a certain height to see if they matched up, and that's what they did. So the gallows humor was it was pretty obvious gallows humor, meaning a multi-billion dollar military budget. Couldn't find a tape measure on hand Tony thought of something that could be helpful. Anyway, a couple of weeks later when we were in the Oval Office talking about going down to visit seals the president of vice president senior leaders, we all went down to to celebrate them. We were trying to think of what to give. Admiral cave-in, and yeah, I suggested why will be getting a gold play the tape. Next time around they've got one. And that's exactly what the president did. The photo was taken sometime between four zero five and four six PM. There's some reports that say the photos taken at four zero six you say four five so call me crazy. But is there like a three hundred actual time code of the photo when it was taken precisely possible. I mean, it's possible that that I said four six. If it was like four five thirty two or something. In. And then, you know, the other thing to keep in mind over time, the the cameras sort of loons their exact timing because in my research, you know, it's two people in correct me if I'm wrong, you would you would maybe no it said. That they don't really say exactly the time that bin Laden was killed other than to say it would be sometime after only a few minutes after four o'clock, but your photo is at four or five or four six. So the only thing that I would be able to decipher of that is that maybe he had been killed. But that hasn't been said yet through the communications point. So the room doesn't know that yet. But that's my own little theory. I have no idea. Yeah. No. I mean. That's profitable. But when we heard that the mission had succeeded that we had gotten bin Laden, or at least, the people on the ground believe that we did, you know, there wasn't this moment of jubilation with people screaming, and and high FIS and jumping up and down. It was more one of I'd say relief and deep satisfaction at the job done and and Justice accomplish. And that was what permeated the whole thing. I think a sense of purpose essentially seriousness, but it wasn't a game. And it wasn't you know? A win lose thing. And and people jumping up and down with exultation. It was really a sense of responsibility. And both the re the combination of releasing satisfaction that we've met the responsibility and done right by by the American people. So that's what I really remember. Most of all founded interesting that in the afternoon each of the individuals, I spoke with recall calling their spouse. I I think I remember calling her to say flip on the tube presents going to go on soon all her again and said, you know, I'll be a little later, but you might want to turn on your TV in about an hour. Of course, Pete had his way of telling his wife. I said, you know, make sure you have CNN or MSNBC on tonight. That's always at tour. I hung up did Barack Obama tell Michelle the night prior. What was? I have no idea, you know, the going in proposition is no I ought to tell you the truth though. I don't think he did. I here's one of the reasons why. As someone who's in these jobs. 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He, you know, one of my jobs was to approve the photos that could be released if they involved anything sensitive. I. Six or seven out one from that room? But then throughout the day, you know, he had other meetings both before and after the raid, and we wanted to paint, the broader picture so p p came to me and was like, hey, is it, okay? If I released this photo, and I was really busy. And I remember I couldn't get to it Philo while you know, and I didn't even really look at it. And I finally said him I'm like, okay, I'm really busy. But as long as you make sure that if there are any sensitive documents on the table that you obscure them because that was you know, that's what we would do in that case. And he said, yeah. Yeah. No problem. I can do that unless sure just then release it and Ben sort of right? I mean, the the I showed him the pictures, and he's I'm fine with them all, but you'd better check that one to see if it has the classified document or not the picture that has become well known the famous photo has documents in front of Hillary Clinton that are classified so p goes to John breath. Annan the homeland security adviser showed him the picture, and I said is this classified? And he said, I don't know. Let's go talk the Mike Morrell morale was the deputy director of the CIA morale confirms that it is a classified document. And because of that we couldn't use auto as it. I then asked the question. Well, what if we blurred the document, but you'd be okay with that? And Mike something the yes as long as John season it before you, you know, make it public. And so that's how that whole process works. I've always thought that if I'd known how I conduct this photo would have been I might have been like well pitas are one that I'm in. Because you know, probably would have like, you know, help belong my career. I appreciate your honesty. I didn't think you would you would play the. Oh, that's cool. No, I I'll be here in being right? I'm like like, and I was I was in down there for that. The only people who is not in the picture. This means the photo was approved by the highest levels of the Obama administration. But it sounds like according to Ben the criteria wasn't much in that. It wasn't like there was some committee analyzing it other than luring out classified information. And then I know there's some cropping involved. Are there any other changes that you make to photo color saturation? This sort of thing. I think we try to fall journalistic standards, which which was you know, adjust the highlight, shadow and color balance. You know, we just didn't feel that with the appropriate. And this is also the only time we ever played out a classified document, if we had a picture that had a find my document after that, we just. Would not make that picture public. So this is sort of a rare occasion. And so in the end why that photo we didn't see any point to do more than one. The the situation was similar in every frame, you know, people's expressions where slightly different maybe. And you know, I. Along with Jen Poedji who is fun or for the White House with me, we had an I narrowed it then six right away from that room. And then she and I went through the six over and over again trying to you know, pick what we thought was the best one. And that was the one we settled on. So what are some of the features of the photo that you're looking at in those photos of that from the situation room that helps you narrow it down to that one. Is it the president's demeanor? Is it the room into like, what are one of a few of the the main factors that you're looking for? Are the best photo? Both subjective. And, you know, number one, you're looking at people say the in, nevertheless, when you have that many people in a picture, you know, somebody's going to be caught in mid blank or. Glancing down or you know, so you sort of like looking at those kinds of things, and it just when we when we look at this one. There was one or two others that we were considering, you know, in the from the final edit, but anyway, when we looked at this one everybody's face like the procreate from the situation, and what it was to me it express the pension that I felt and then room Dixie that was ever president for those forty minutes. I thought that picture best expressed it when Tony was leaving the situation room that night. He noticed the TV was on outside of the situation room the conference the big conference room are four TV screens that are constantly showing what's on the networks on cable TV. And after everything was said and done, and it was by this point. It's getting onto close to eight o'clock at night, and we had not we started to notify congress, and we'd started to notify the TV networks. President wanted to speak to the American people at at nine o'clock, and we were again making all sorts of final preparation as I was walking out of the situation room. The networks were starting to interrupt their their programming their prime time programming, and I looked at the screens. And as it happened the show that was being interrupted on NBC was the finale of celebrity apprentice starring one Mr. Donald Trump. I don't I don't even know. Can't you can't make one off? I yeah. What's interesting to me is something really simple. They were reminded of why this mattered each of them without me asking or prodding. And in fact, two of them just before hanging up wanting to add something all said, the only other thing that really strikes me from that from that day was that night. When all was said and done in the president addressed the nation after a firefight. They killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body. And we still had some more work to do and went back and did. And I think I finally left the White House that night sometime after midnight for over two decades bin Laden has been Al Qaeda's leader and symbol in this continue to plot attacks against our country, and our friends and allies, but Andrew is leaving. I heard the sound that I couldn't quite identify the most shocked. I was that day that evening was coming out of the white. House late that night. And it was this kind of. Almost rumbling. And I was kind of blown away when I kinda finally went outside the building. Then when I finally got out of the White House compound. I realized it was of people who gathered in front of the residence, I wouldn't have been in a hundred years predicted what you saw on the streets of Washington, and ultimately, New York and other places to people out on the street flag-waving that kind of celebration Jess cheering, and it was the most extraordinary site and see these flags waving and people spontaneously gathered at midnight. I don't end one incredibly gigantic American flag. I don't know where you get one of those. I just remember being truly shocked like no way. How did that happen? You know, who's up at you know, midnight on or eleven pm on a Sunday night. Watching CNN waiting to see what comes up. I it almost feels like to me guys were so. Which makes sense focused on the mission no-one really thought. Well, if we pull this off there's going to be some celebrations. Yeah. That was it was I don't think that I I don't be like crossed anyone cross mine, and we were kind of oblivious to everyone. You're you're you're in your, you know, you're in your vacuum. And you're just in your tunnel. And you're just focused on everything. You know, I just stood off in in a distance not part of the crowd. Just just looking at it. And I really can't put into words what it what it felt like. But I think that's when the. Wider repercussions really really hit me, certainly she really really really lucky. You get a you know, a couple of privilege moments. In your career. And that was that was one of them in the world as it is a memoir of the Obama White House, Ben Rhodes talks a lot about just how much the president believes in the power of storytelling that every moment every speech every action taken or not taken is part of a larger narrative with that in mind. I asked Ben knowing the profound importance of story, do you think that's one of the reasons the president made killing bin Laden's such an integral part in shaping how he looked at terrorism that this was a chapter in American history that people wanted to see close. Yes, I think that's an interesting way to approach it. It was nearly ten years ago. The bright September day was darkened by the worst attack on the American people in our history. Because thing what was the parent at the beginning of the Obama administration even in the campaign. Is that the wars that were launched after nine eleven and Afghanistan Iraq, and this more morpheus global and terrorism we're not going to lead to clear end points. There was not going to be a surrender ceremony like at the end of World War Two the images of nine eleven are seared into our national memory, and there had to be some tense for the American people that Justice was delivered for nine eleven yet as a country. We will never tolerate our security being threatened nor stand idly by when our people have been killed that we dealt with the people who did this to us, you know, both for our own national psyche. But also to try to right size are coach terrorism. So that we don't feel like we are needing to be over extended in the way that that that we have been and so we can say to those families who have lost loved ones. Tell Qaeda's terror Justice has. Been done walking out of the White House the night after bin Laden was killed and seeing all the people in the streets and seeing people who, you know, have grown up their whole lives in a way with this reality. And and it felt like the closest thing we were going to get to that type of psychic endpoint. And I think that is why this photo has become conic. Well, the wars in the Middle East continue you could say the war on of some of bin Laden ended that day it was a pivotal moment. And that photo represents not just the operation, but a country that had lost so much and for ten years was unable to find and kill the man largely responsible, although nobody is smiling far from it. The photo is oddly enough in some ways a celebration. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, or in this case, technically four thousand and seventy words, but this photo in our story today tells us about those in the room when it counted those in the room, whose names aren't. Splashed on headlines or or sitting down for interviews with sixty minutes. But they were there they have played an important role during this time in American history and can help Pete paint that picture to tell us what really happened. Next week on what really happened. Growing up at the family dinner table, he would talk and poems and riddles. He ended up going to kindergarten for black children where he was taught swat Huey at ten years old. 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"Just a few hours ago. Jim senator question on facebook and he says My evergreen tree fell over this week from heavy snow. It's about twenty feet tall and about a foot in diameter at the base. can it be upright did and saved. I'm gonna tell you yes. And no and the reason for that is Back and i happen to remember it to wealth back in nineteen seventy eight when the winds came in from the north which was not the norm. The trees as they were routed evergreens in particular probably like his and at that size had bin laden with snow and ice the soil was still on what. We'll call the warm each side because the snow kept it from freezing deep at all at that point there were three that i was involved in that literally were toppled. Much like what he's describing. We set that it was the nursery i was with a time we reset or set back up the the trees we anchored them with cable. We put actual screw is in the tree Up well let's say at twenty footer. You wanna go to fifteen feet to put the screw is then. I would pull it. In two directions of posing the way it went down because that would indicate where there is more route and not cetera so And then stick them in use auger screws or or wooden stakes. If you use a wooden stake You would want to drive it in the same direction as the pool. Don't put it in opposite because the win moving the tree will pull that stake loose whereas if you've driven it clear into the ground it'll hold that in the case of a twenty footer. That's a lot of weight. There i would think in terms of going to the hardware getting some what i call screw others. That are Steel they are like a drill. Bit only probably three inches wide and The the the bevelled edges run probably a foot or more so that when you turn that into the ground it probably is going to hold better than any other kinda sticking now When we when we reset them we won onto the trees and lost third one I don't know why they odds were that way but it was. You know at least we won two thirds now When you're sitting back up the roots have pulled loose from the soil which is why it went over in the first place at that point. You want to dig out probably as much as eighteen inches deep and area from which those roots now i. It's hard to picture but the side from which the the roots have pulled loose is. You're going to try to get them to grow back in the side on the downside down hillside have bent over. There are gonna be injured but if he can work at it real quick. That is today this weekend and and or crazy as it might sound. Take the hose out there and spritz those routes that are sticking up Well i don't know every hour hour and a half keep them moist. Dig out in a pattern that the roots pulled loose from so that when you set the tree back you're putting the roots back in the ground. Essentially at the same level they were then. Put the soil back in on top of those. And then you're gonna anchor with two or three of these cable or rope arrangements but if it's a rope make darn sure it's a good thing because at twenty three lots and lots of weight there but i'd say go for it it it is worth a try it maybe a lot of effort for nothing but you won't know that until spring so Jim go for it. Sorry i went over. But that's the way we would do it.

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The President, The Admiral, And The Truth; Ivanka Trump Used Personal Account Emails About Govt. Business; White House Backs Down; Pres. Trump Slams Congressman Using Vulgar Tweet; Pres. Trump: I Probably Won't Sit For Mueller Interview

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49:57 min | 2 years ago

The President, The Admiral, And The Truth; Ivanka Trump Used Personal Account Emails About Govt. Business; White House Backs Down; Pres. Trump Slams Congressman Using Vulgar Tweet; Pres. Trump: I Probably Won't Sit For Mueller Interview

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Well, someone else now has an Email problem, and she's close to the president as close as his own daughter will have that breaking new shortly. I think about your thoughts the day after the nine eleven attacks. Do you remember how you felt when the President George W Bush stood at ground zero and said this. I can hear you. How did you feel back then? And how about on this day nearly ten years later? Tonight. I can report to the American people and to the world. The United States is conducted an operation that killed SAMA bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaeda and a terrorist. Who's responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children if you were relieved in proud to hear President Obama say those words as you were angry and proud when President Bush spoke into that Bullhorn, you wouldn't be alone, Osama bin Laden wounded this country in a way that could not fully heal until he was captured or killed people haven't forgotten that we haven't forgotten this famous photo from the situation room as the rate on took place the sacrifices that made this moment possible, nor the work of seal team six in our gratitude that they all came home safely gratitude for everyone who made their mission possible because it helped heal this horrible wound. We all live with so long. You would think therefore that no one would have anything. But a kind word for anyone involved with that. Operation. Let alone the Admiral who oversaw at all. However, there is an exception. He happens to be commander in chief. President Trump has a beef with retired Admiral William mcraven the man in charge of seal team six and all special operations at the time. And it really shouldn't be necessary to mention he literally wrote a fundamental textbook on special ops. We shouldn't have to say that retired a highly decorated commander, nor that he went on to become the highly respected chancellor of the university of Texas. We should have to say that he left that job earlier this year to battle chronicle Kimia or that he is why the regarded by Republicans Democrats villian soldiers in academics as the opposite of a political animal. We shouldn't have to say any of it except the president of the United States had made Admiral mcraven a target of his ire. Bill. Mcraven retired Admiral navy seal thirty seven years, former head of US special operated Clinton fan special operation Clinton fan who led the operations command of the operations that took downside sane and that killed us on bin Laden says that your sentiment is the greatest threat to democracy in his he's a Hillary Clinton, backer, an Obama backer, and frankly was a navy seal. Nice. If we got some bin Laden a lot sooner than that. Wouldn't it have been nice living think of living in Pakistan beautifully in Pakistan? And what I guess they considered a nice mansion. I don't know I've seen. That's the president this weekend on Fox News. The apparent trigger annual mcraven criticism of the president's attacks on the press. And okay, we know the president is a counterpuncher. That's what it's defenders. And that's how they frame it. But keeping them on nothing. The president hits back within this case. If that's what he's doing has the weight of truth behind it. Just the opposite. His gestion that Admiral mcraven special operators were responsible for locating bin Laden. Not true CIA and others were seal team six got its orders on the twenty ninth of April twenty eleven less than two days later bin Laden was dead. As for his claim that Admiral mcraven is or was in his words, a Hillary Clinton backer, ended Obama backer. Well, it's kind of the same thing as saying that the current head of special operations is a Trump backer, Admiral mcraven served during the Obama administration and the Bush administration. He backed neither Democrats and Republicans who know him know that and have said so yet today the Republican party tweeted. Worth noting after recent comments retired Admiral William mcraven it was reportedly on Hillary Clinton shortlist for vice president in two thousand sixteen. He's been critical of President Trump even dating back to the twenty sixteen campaign. He's Horley a non political figure, they say, well, keeping them honest part of that is true and rumble craven was briefly mentioned as a running mate for Hillary Clinton. He was also mentioned as a possible national security advisor to President Trump and again colleagues of all stripes have praised him as being nonpartisan. So is the president projecting here just a little bit. You can decide for yourself. Does the president projected times? Does he tried to diminish in others, the kind of qualities that he himself lacks? Well, take a look. War here. He's a war years. He's a war hero presumes captured. I like people that weren't captured. Okay. I hate to. The president has also mocked gold star parents. And today he seemed to say that none of what those parents child died four. None of risks that seal team six took none of the fighting. None of the dying would have been necessary if the country had only listened to him listen to what he tweeted today. Of course, we should have captured Osama bin Laden long before we did I pointed him out in my book, just before the attack on the World Trade Center, President Clinton famously missed his shot, we paid Pakistan billions of dollars, and they never told us. He was living, there fools. He seems to be saying he warned us all. But no one listened think about that. As you. Remember, how you felt on nine eleven read the book, he says, then you'll see well, keeping them honest. We did read the book it's called the America we deserve. And here's the passage in question. One day. We're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one and US jetfighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. He escapes back under some rock and a few new psych. Later. It's onto a new enemy and new crisis. That's all. That's it. Not exactly Paul revere. Reveres midnight, ride, not even Mr. toes wild ride. And there's more to the story. C N N's Jim Acosta joins us now with the very latest President Trump seem to pivot from his attacks as the day went on Admiral mcraven. What is he saying? Now, he did because there was a lot of bipartisan criticism coming in John after he went after Admiral mcraven, he put out that tweet as you mentioned just a few moments ago going after Bill Clinton saying well, the Clinton administration mister shot to take out Osama bin Laden US forces US intelligence, as you know, John they did try to take out bin Laden in the late nineteen nineties, but neglects to mention obviously that nine eleven nine eleven happened under President, George W Bush, and the Obama folks would argue that they put the focus back on capturing or killing bin Laden a win Barack Obama came into office, and John I should point out. This is just not outraging. Democrats also outraging Republicans are talked to g GOP congressional congressionally. A key GOP. Congressional aide earlier this evening who said this is pathetic quote pathetic coming from the president. And as you mentioned, John, not even accurate as US intelligence was in charge of finding bin Laden. But it was the navy seals who were under the command of craven who got him. Jim. It's important to note where the president saying now is different than what he was saying when bin Laden was actually killed correct? That's right. We've talked about this before there's a tweet for everything in this case. There's actually a statement for everything the president when he was a citizen Trump than businessman. Trump told Dr colleague Maggie Haberman over at the New York Times of back in twenty eleven after the bin Laden raid was successful and took out Osama bin Laden, he gave a statement to Maggie when she was over politico saying listen, I want to congratulate President Obama and US worse on a job. Well done that is a pretty big departure from what he's been saying the last twenty four hours a job. Well, done overseen by annual William mcraven, Jim Macon's at the White House. Thank you so much joining us now someone who served with the Admiral retired army, Lieutenant General Mark irt. Ling also CNN global affairs analyst max boot, author of the corrosion of conservatism. Why I left the right general hurtling, I want to start with you. Because President Trump maintains that he has quote done more for the military than any president in many many years and that nobody's been more with the military than he has as president. So how does that square with what he's now saying about Admiral mcraven? I'm not sure does square John. Certainly there has been a key budget increase over the last year. Not truthfully. All that significant compared to pass budget increases, but I'm trying to kind of square that with the way he has coordinated with our allies the ways he has made it tougher in some cases for our military to maintain those alliances to counter some of the things that are going on around the world, the broadening of various threats and how we're addressing them from a national security standpoint, the Veterans Administration there's been a lot of talk about fixing some of the shortcomings there, but not a whole lot of action. In fact, just this week. I know you have seen the other scandal that's occurred with GI Bill payments. So there is this continued mantra of g the military is so much better. I'm not sure it is. And in fact, one of the concerns I have is the continued. Political as Asian of the military who's on the left who's on the right? That's all being generated by politicians, not the military themselves because they swear their oath to the constitution. But this is damaging to men and women who wear the uniform they sign up to do a job. They don't fight for one individual support and defend the constitution, the United States and the political ization of the military, the intelligence community and law enforcement is increasingly dangerous in my view wanna come back to that. In just a second max boot to you because as the president somehow comes across in comes up with this criticism of the bin Laden raid. You know, this falls neatly into a pattern that this president has which is making his career on second guessing, he's a genius decision making. But only after the fact he loves to come back and say, I would have done something differently. You saw during the after the parkland shooting where he said I would have run into the school and confronted the shooter. You saw him after the California forest. Fires saying it was missing. Management. They should have raked the forest you even saw it after game for the World Series where he said the dodgers made a mistake in Yenkey. They're starting pitcher, and the implication is that Donald Trump of omniscient all knowing he would have done something differently. And there is zero evidence of that in this in any of these cases, including this one without mcraven because there is no evidence as you pointed out that he ever actually said we need it to be going after Osama bin Laden prior to nine eleven all he said in that passage you correctly, quoted was there's this guy out there named bin Laden, and he's getting a lot of attention. But then we move onto something else. So now, he's trying to suggest that, you know, almost as if I Donald Trump had given the GPS coordinates, and they didn't do anything about it, which is absurd sort of like Casey Stangl, the smokey bear in Rambo all wrapped up in one twenty two. When he's at you're actively looking like, the Walter Mitty of presidents marker lane general when you talk about the position of the military. That's serious. No one thinks that the military is above reproach in doesn't deserve criticism at times. However, president seems to be looking at it exclusively through a political lens in this place, perhaps very misplaced political lens when dealing with Admiral mcraven. Yeah. And some in the military are picking up on that. And it's unfortunate that some are even during this way. We're seeing people choosing left and right who were wearing the uniform and having worn the uniform for almost four decades, John I countered counted this afternoon. How many presidents I served under? I had to forcibly count that it was five Republicans and three Democrats and Bill mcraven was in the same time. I was so I would guess he served under those same kind. It didn't make a difference to me during those times, we served the constitution and at the pleasure of the president as long as they were giving legal and moral orders. But unfortunately, the president continues to use the military as props. He likes to stand in front of them. He likes to use them for parades or hopeful parades, change policy that seems to go along with an ideology that's not in line with what the military does. And what we've built in terms of the strengthen the military and what's dangerous and all this is less than one percent of America. Serves in the military. So people who are commenting about what the military should. And should be what they shouldn't shouldn't think who they shouldn't shouldn't support. It's it's all I can say is it's dangerous because we built a very strong military over the last forty years, and it's coming under quite a bit of criticism from our president right now, which is unfortunate. So max general hurtling notes that President Trump likes us military as props? That's what he says critics over the last two weeks noted that may be true, except if it's raining and France, or if it's Veterans Day, and he doesn't want to go over to Arlington, or if there is a general who's been critical of him. It's interesting. He's very quick to throw the military under the bus with the first opportunity, and he likes the pastas. He loves mind military and the primary evidence for that. Is the fact that he signed off on higher defense budgets that really came from Republicans on Capitol Hill, but he's not gonna inconvenience themselves by going to war cemetery and France, if it's raining he didn't budge out of the White House on Veterans Day. And the worst thing that. You also by the way, not visited the troops in the field. I mean, he spent over four months of his presidency at more log on but at Bedminster, he has not spent one day visiting the troops in the field, which all previous presidents have done. But the worst thing he's done until the point that general Ling was making is politicizing the military with this crackpot deployment of troops to the border for no reason other than to serve as a political stunt, and I noticed today the army, so those troops would go go home. Even though the caravan has not actually reached the border, which underlines the fact that there was no military necessity for this deployment. And that is a very dangerous precedent using the troops for political purposes is interesting general because as we started this segment with we've noted the president seems to suggest he's got the full backing of the military says my military my generals, but he did backtrack on something today. And it was the fact that he did not visit Arlington on Veterans Day. He said he should have you almost never see the president. Did any mistake? He admitted a mistake in that case. And I do. You wonder if it's because he is starting to get some criticism from within this group of people who support he's perhaps taken for granted. That could possibly be true, John? But I also think it's an understanding that he's losing the trust incompetence of those who wear the uniform an interesting factor is you know, leadership is all about generating that trust. And that only comes when you say the right things do the right things and put yourself in harm's way. Certainly a president wouldn't do that. But the troops need to know that he is on their side. They need to know that they can trust him. And that he has an integrity and these continued incidents like this. I think are wearing away at that trust. You were seeing that in some of the polls taking within the military in terms of percentages, supporting Trump right now as opposed to when he was first elected in the differences that also all concerns me as well general martling as always we thank you for your time and your service max boot, thanks for being here as well. Appreciated next of Trump's Email problem. Yes. You heard that? Right. Vonk Trump using private E mail for official government. Business problem later, the White House backs down the legal clash was CNN over press access and calls for core. But he's the president listening. We've got a tweet to help you decide plus David Gergen and Carl Bernstein surround. Support for Anderson Cooper three sixty comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety with folks. 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Licensed in all fifty states and MLS consumeraccess dot org number thirty thirty. Breaking news. The president certainly has had plenty to say over the years about Hillary Clinton's emails and his fans still yell. Lock her up at rallies shows should be interesting to see what if anything he has to say about this. As it turns out, his daughter, Ivanka used her personal Email can't count for government business. The Washington Post was the first report this story tonight in Washington Post reporter, Josh dossey joins me now. So Josh exactly how many emails retort about here in what did Vonk Trump use for personal Email four, right? So what we're reporting Janis that she used a personal Email to Email White House aid cabinet officials other than the government about government business from her west wing office and from the administration and in those emails White House. We've you found that many of them were in violation of the federal records act which requires government business that we done on government emails. What time for we're talking about here? This is just before she officially entered the administration and then shortly after and after it goes into fall twenty seventeen the administration did a review last year in response to a number of freedom of information request for documents from the public and found that there had been a number of emails from vodka Trump sent from personal account about government business. Her lawyer Abbe goal was called in to do a review and to make sure everything was eventually folded. To a government account, which could be safeguarded than kept giving you kind of response from the White House about this yet the White House, the kind to comment they referred all questions, Abby all were outside while you're in our story. We included this comments who said it was rare that she did it was occasional. And that it was not like, oh, we Email us going lawyer was far less frequent and there was no server in our baseline. So we put it pretty extensive comments in the story tonight. From one of the similarities, though, is that her own personal lawyer was the one who was the initial Vetter vetted, those emails and decided what was turned over to the government. And what was not in? There will be there already have been comparisons between evolve Trump's emails and Hillary Clinton's the Clintons use personal Email. What are the differences here? Well, we have no proof. There was classified information sent from Ivanka Trump's Email, obviously with a reclassification. There was done on Hillary Clinton's afterwards. They determined that some of the documents could have been caused. I we think it was less frequent than ever Email. I use our understanding of situation John and that it eventually stopped when she was told to stop all that she stopped doing it. Now, obviously, we're still continuing to report it and figure out if there's more of a story. And if so we'll bring it to you. Of course, one of the things that I read in the article that you Roach is that people inside the White House were not just surprised about the volume of personal Email us. But also her initial explanation, which was what exactly people in the White House. Worse startled by the fact, she seemed to be the highest offender who it's at the most of emails and when they approach her about it. She simply expressed ignorance of the roles said that she did not know that all of them had to be dumb government, Email server, and basically that you did not realize she was so in the wrong. What surprised so many of the folks on the White House, John because obviously your father ran a campaign where Channing vodka up the Clintons. Use of a private Email was essential thematic issue of campaign. So it seemed us startling to people in the white outside. She would not have had more. Site to preserve our emails to a governments over its imagine. Anyone who lived through twenty sixteen being surprised by rule surrounding personal Email us for government work? Josh doc-. Thanks so much for the reporting. Appreciate you being with us. Thanks for having me with me now to former federal prosecutors CNN chief legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin and legal analyst and milgram. Jeff irony is dead. Is vodka on controlling legal trouble. I doubt it. But I mean because I think most people realize that government officials do use their private Email, occasionally, Hillary Clinton did it too. It is not fundamentally a big deal. The news media made it a big deal. Donald Trump made it a big deal. But this is not a. It's not it's technically not within the rules. But everybody in government. Does it? This is the problem. I mean, this is why Hillary Clinton got a very raw deal be legal. But in terms of irony off the chart. Oh my God. I mean, you know, I it's just and you know, and I feel personal responsibility for this as well. I spent a lot of time here CNN talking about Hillary Clinton's emails, and I think we talked about it too much. I think we made a bigger deal as than it should have. But it. Fundamentally is not that big a deal. It's not that big a deal for vodka. And it shouldn't have been that big a deal for Hillary. So anabolic Trump's attorney says that she did occasionally use for private Email for business and says that none of the emails contained classified information. Right. So so one of the things that came up a lot with secretary Clinton was where the emails classified, and it looks like a number of them turned out happening classified sheet. She actually and she didn't have knowledge at the time here the big concern too. Big concerns one is that you know, other Email servers can be hacked, you want all the government security that you can have. And so you want emails to be within the government server number one number two is just you know, really becomes a question. They're always freedom of information acts. There's a reason that they want to preserve all the presidential documents. And really at the end of the day, the government should control those emails and have access. They shouldn't have to go through someone's private lawyer. And the one thing I think I would disagree a little bit with on Jeff is that look it's part of being government people may do it. But it really. Is important. I think to use government emails and at the end of the day. You know, the thing that's stunning about. This to me is that there is incredible hypocrisy. She she knew that this was a huge issue and then to go and just disregard as though you're above the row is problematic the arrogance. The incredible arrogance is with a little measure of stupidity thinking that after watching this campaign, which she had a pretty good seat for and then not being scrupulous about your Email practices is pretty remark. She didn't know she didn't know the rules coming in after a year of a campaign. Incredible. I mean, you know, and having sat through all those campaign events with our father where all he talked about personal servers and personal emails. And so it's a big difference between her and Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton should've obviously also known the role. She was secretary of state, but we've lived through years of this conversation. And by the way, there earlier were similar reports about Jared Kushner, her husband doing some. Very similar. I think it just underlines what a phony issue. The Email issue was about Hillary Clinton. They knew it was bogus because they did the same thing. And they obviously don't think it's that big a deal. I mean, it just was a bogus issue or about Hillary Clinton. And I think they are acknowledging in a way that it's bogus for them. What do you think the the house oversight committee under democratic leadership might do with this issue? I mean, it's very possible. They would call her into testify or call others to testify. I think to Jeff's point. He's right. I'm sure people do she's not the only one to do it. But at the end of the day one of the questions, I have is why did it go on for so long point seventeen. If it were February the month after the inauguration. Okay. But for eight months is at eight eight nine months, it's it's a lot every math Jeffrey Toobin. Thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it may not be the last time. We have this discussion next the White House backs down, and it's clash with CNN over holding the president accountable. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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And now the White House is it's come up with new rules on decorum. When questioning the president speaking of decorum, the president certainly been busy lately on the old electric Twitter machine. Here's what he said about California. Congressman Adam Schiff ranking member of the house intelligence committee before I read it decorum requires a warning the president misspelled the congressman's name, and you could probably tell where this is going. I'm quoting now. So funny to see little Adam shit talking about the fact that acting attorney general Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate. But not mentioning the fact that Bob Muller who is highly conflicted was not approved by the Senate. Joining us now to men who've seen all kinds of behavior from all. Ends of presidents and seen it from inside and out investigative journalist and author Carl Bernstein and former White House senior adviser to four presidents, David Gergen, David I want to start with you. The president just last week said decorum was needed in the White House yet he doesn't appear to be very concerned with his own decorum regarding congressman shift does he. No, no loyalty does not run both ways with this president nor to rules of the game or views on decorum. I must say I think this has been a significant victory for CNN and for the country. It's it's we've now reinforced through the courts in through the White House backing down we reinforce this ain't the first amendment which was at what was critically at stake here. And we go back to work. Now, what we'd have to say John is a night of ironies, by the way on our new here is that this is a White House that has prides itself on how many regulations it has raced across the government now putting into place a set of regulations with the guard to the press. But it we'll have to see is. How are these regulations? In force. Are they really going to allow reporters to continue asking a follow up or not that's critical to the operations of free press yet no follow ups? It seems like a fairly draconian at a brief. Carl that would be Konia back to the issue of decorum here if this is how the president reacts the congressman Schiff before he takes over the house intelligence committee. What do you think we'll see from the president what shift has subpoena power? Well, first of all the whole question of the president's decorum on a daily basis in terms of traditional norms. The question answers it self what's much more important, and the least. Demonstrable area where we see the president day after day with no concern for decorum is the lying. Lying is not decorous to go back to the to the definition of decorum and lying is the opposite of decorum. And that's what all of these issues. Come back to this is a dangerous presidency. This is nothing to make light of. Yes, irony is dead and all the rest, but this is a dangerous presidency. It's dangerous to the truth. It's dangerous to the national security. It's dangerous to the western alliance. And that's what we keep learning is the danger of this president and what he does. And now the danger also about the rules don't apply to him. They don't apply to his family. They don't apply to his his daughter. We see one thing after another. But really lack of decorum comes back to questions of on. Sti, and that is where there is no decorum in this White House to follow up on that point, David. The president says our Carl Bernstein who's not president not yet at least. Much says it's nothing to make light of here in this case. How should Democrats handle it? Then what's the right way to handle it everything? From the sliding scale of the comments about Adam Schiff, all the way to avant. Trump's emails what are the risks of pitfalls for them? Major risk is that of overplaying their hands when a new congress voting from the out party. There's a tendency to want to push forward on all fronts all guns blazing take down the president. If you can was we saw far way Newt Gingrich coming into power in nineteen ninety four when the Republicans swept house, he overplayed his hand, and it really wound up nine DEM. She not only him, but the but the body itself, and this case was an Snead first and foremost to do in the next few days is demonstrate they can come together bridge their differences on this choice of speaker and on on who's going to be doing what within the house. So you have you in effect have people who merge as spokesman or unofficial spokesman for the party and can carry the fight or the corporation onto the airwaves and being speak credibly about things and. Crawl you've noted that you feel as if the president's acting like he's backed into a corner. Now, I think he is I think that the election returns were a real rejection of Donald Trump and his method and his line and the way he has done the business of the presidency. I think that is really how Republicans many of them. If you talked to them on the hill in private are interpreting the election. They are worried about going forward with this president in two thousand twenty in ways that they perhaps we're not before before the midterms, but it all comes back to this question of supporting a president who cannot come to a basic truth about his business, the country's business the business of the western alliance. We keep coming back to this notion that we don't have the best obtainable version of the truth except in our reporting. And that is why this lawsuit by CNN was so important. What has been held is the prerogatives of the press under the first amendment? Yes. The White House gets to make the rules if they're plied fairly and evenly. Let them promulgate rules if they are and reply them across the board in a fair manner. But we have seen nothing of the sort. We have seen a war on truth by this president. And that is what even today's events all of this about decorum all of this about vodka Trump. It's about the truth. She didn't know the rules. We keep coming back to it. And I will note that no one has agreed including CNN to the idea of rules that don't allow follow up questions at briefing. Right. We'll see what happens there. But that's not rule. Those aren't important. Journalists went agree to something David both of you sort of talked a little bit about Republicans here. I will know when it comes. To the issue of anwr William mcraven, which we talked about earlier in the show. Marco Rubio spoke out Paul Ryan spoke at I have seen Republicans step forward and say directly in some cases, that the president cross the line here in other cases, speaking out in support of mcraven. Do you think that Republicans if the president coach is the way the Carl's suggestion? He will we'll take a harder stand. David. I think the Republicans are now starting to distance themselves and increasing with increasing frequency from the president. They realized that he could become a liability in the next few months, especially when Muller comes down whether report and they're being they're beginning to speak for themselves as opposed to being held hostage by the White House. Which is what we've seen a lot of the first two years, and that's a healthy thing by and large for the Republican party. And I think I think are getting something fundamental about the importance of truth. We're going to learn tomorrow, for example, we should be hearing from the White House. It's what the president has finally decided about kashogi and the murder kashogi. And we'll see is he going to speak the truth about this or not so really important issue again, and again, and again, David Gergen Carl Bernstein, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it coming up after claiming multiple times that he was willing and eager to sit down for an interview in the Muller investigation. The president has changed his to now he says enough time has been in his words wasted on this does he have a point. Or is he rattled? Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. The president says he has completed his written answers to questions and special counsel Robert Muller's investigation that it wasn't a big deal. And that they will be submitted quote at some point very soon, as you know, the president sat down for an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News. But seems more unlikely than ever that he'll sit down for an interview with the Muller team. Your final position that there's going to be no sit down interview and nothing written or in person on obstruction. I would say probably probably I mean, I can change my mind. But probably I know I think we've wasted enough time on this witch hunt and the answer's probably finished what they. One hundred what we do is. We would I gave very many, sir. You're right and verse actually, we gave very very. Complete inches to a lot of questions that I shouldn't have even been asked. And I think that should solve the problem. I hope itself the problem if it doesn't, you know. You know, be told and we'll make a decision at that time. But probably this is the end, of course, this contradicts. The president has said many times in the past about his willingness to sit down for an interview with Muller. I would love to. We've done nothing wrong. Would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of one hundred percent? I would love to bake. I would love to go nothing. I wanna do or you didn't talk to moan. I'm looking forward to it actually standard. You would do it under. I would love to speak. I would love to nobody wants to speak for them me. If that my lawyers say never speak. President used to like to testify special counsel, Robert Muller. Thank. What would you say more likely to sit an interview now? My lawyers are working on that. I've always wanted to do an interview because look there's been no collusion. Just before airtime. I spoke with democrat congressman Jim Himes of Connecticut member of the house intelligence committee. So congressman after months and months of saying he'd be happy to sit down with the special counsel now on about face from the president says, he probably won't did you ever really believe that he wanted to believe that he wanted to whether he was ever going to be permitted to do. So is it totally different question. Look, my guess is that from the very beginning. The President Trump's lawyers were telling him that he had no business going in front of a special counsel. And hence, we are where we are. And you know, remember there's always been different versions of this. Bill Clinton, testified was basically deposed in front of a video camera. Now, we've got written questions, and we'll see where it goes. From here Kellyanne Conway claim today that the president's not afraid to sit down with Muller. He just doesn't believe it's necessary. Is that really true here? Do you think that it's important or would be important to hear what the president has to say? Well, what's important is that there is a mechanism for the? Special counsel to ask the president. Whatever question, the special counsel may have and that sort of an important constitutional principle that no person in the United States, including the president of the United States is above the law. So whether you do it the way Bill Clinton did it when he was being investigated, or however, you do it so long as the special counsel feels that he has had the opportunity to ask every single question. It is pertinent to the investigation. That's the important thing. So the president claimed contrary to reports that he had no idea that the acting general Matt Whitaker had said what he said on CNN among other places that he opposed the Muller in do you believe that the president had no idea that what have these opinions? I don't believe that for a second. I think the president demanded to know who he may get away with putting in that position that would be most inclined to share his view of this investigation. So look the president being dishonest is not a rare thing it's a daily if hourly thing, and so no, of course, I don't believe that at all. I think that this was this was not only was it done for the reason of keeping an option on eroding and remember you don't need to end the investigation Whitaker could simply cut the budget of investigation. And there's no question in my mind that the timing and orchestration of this acting attorney general was directed very specifically by the president to keep an option on eroding the investigation, if he wants to do that in theory, he could step in the way of indictments and step in the way of subpoenas. Which is why asked you if you've seen any evidence. We haven't seen any evidence of it yet. But in theory, he does have that power, which is why some Senate Democrats three. In fact, today filed a lawsuit declaring his appointment as attorney general unconstitutional saying that such an appointment requires Senate confirmation. Do you think they're lawsuit has any merit? Well, congress should stand up and say. Notwithstanding the litigation that will occur around the appointments clause of the constitution. And whether this is a principal officer, not to me, it's pretty clear that the attorney general is a principal officer and should be Senate confirmed. There's that. But the other thing here, of course, is that Whitaker is on record talking in an adverse way about this investigation. So whether or not the courts decide that he needs to be Senate confirmed it is very clear to me that given that he goes into this with an adverse opinion on this investigation. He should recuse himself right away. What percentage chance to you think there is that zero? Congress. Jim hines? Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it. Thank you. John. So let's check in with Chris to see what he's working on for Cuomo prime time to the top of the hour, sir. Right question. J B, ha ha ha zero. Well, then why waste your time fighting that fight as Democrats. You gotta ask yourself about their tactics. Sometimes is that really the battle for them to have about Matthew Whitaker is really going to change anything or should. They wait see what happens between now when the molar probe is over and take action as they need to. I don't get it. I know it's amazing. I still believe the best book to be written about the president will be the luckiest man in the history of the game. Even the Democrats help them tonight. We're going to be looking at the truth about what happened with the hunt for Osama bin Laden, what it means that the president went after Admiral mcraven, and we're going to talk about the latest for Monica Lewinsky, and how much there was that. We didn't know see JP it's a really interesting documentary series that she's part of Chris. Thank you very much. We'll see in just a few minutes just as millions of Americans are getting ready for the annual thanksgiving travel adventure news of yet. Another troubling development of the federal air. Marshall program coming up a CNN investigation into more than two hundred cases of air marshal alleged misconduct involving mishaps with firearms. The wait is finally over capital. One's the match and eighteen hole duel between fourteen time major champion, Tiger Woods and five time. Major chip Phil Mickelson. It's winner. Take all nine billion dollars on the Friday after thanksgiving member twenty-third highly anticipated match will take place in Las Vegas at shadow creek, who'll take hold nine billion dollars. Tune in Friday after thanksgiving, November twenty third coverage begins at two pm eastern on Biard live and pay per view. The annual thanksgiving travel ordeal will soon be upon us in for the millions who will fly over the holiday. There's more troubling news about the federal air marshal programme CNN senior investigative correspondent drew Griffin has been looking into the program for a decade. Now tonight has a new exclusive report. These documents released to CNN through a freedom of information act request reveal more than two hundred cases of alleged misconduct by federal air marshals involving firearms. Men and women supposedly well training use their weapons in one of the most dangerous environments misplacing misfiring even accidentally and not so accidentally shooting themselves documents released to CNN include nineteen accidental discharges including an air marshal who caused a gunshot wound to his right foot. Another accidentally discharged his firearm in a hotel room hitting a television in the adjoining room. More than seventy cases of air marshals losing weapons three times. Air marshals have left their service weapons in an airplane's bathroom. They've left weapons in restrooms bars even a bed bath and beyond in New Jersey. At least thirteen cases alcohol was involved after releasing the documents the federal air marshal service invited CNN to the air marshal training academy outside Atlantic City, New jersey where new air marshalls are taught how to handle their weapons and top instructor. Daniel Cole admitted reports are embarrassed. We look at what was the underlying cause what happened where where if and when training fail how and why did it fail? How do we plug that gap? How do we fix goal has training here? It's hard to compare. If air marshalls are more or less dangerous with weapons than other law enforcement agencies because the number of air marshalls is classified but former air marshals tell CNN any mishap is unacceptable because their agents operated thirty four thousand feet. There's no backup. You have got to take care of business. And you gotta do it very quickly and efficiently. Henry Preston who spent ten years in the service says he observed a decline in weapons training and practice year-by-year inconsistencies said that could contribute to mistakes, they need additional training. There's no doubt no doubt about it. Oddly three of the apparent mishaps occurred during firearms training in one case and instructor allegedly through training bullets called simulation into an open flame. They exploded. And one staff member was struck in the face by flying debris problems are nothing. New to the controversial air marshal service CNN has previously. Boarded agents have continually complained about low morale low staffing, grueling hours two thousand twelve sleep study up tamed by CNN shows seventy five percent of domestic air marshals. We're flying while sleep deficient. That study found that lack of sleep puts them at greater incidence of serious errors. Critics question of air marshalls are even necessary last year, the department of homeland security's inspector general slam the air marshal service and said its contribution to aviation transportation security is questionable. How state professor John Mueller? Ni who studies the efficiencies of security measures says the nearly one billion dollar agency is almost worthless federal air Marshall, simply don't pass muster in terms of cost benefit analysis. They deliver about five cents or maybe ten cents benefit for every dollar. That's spent on them. Now, the revelation that at least two hundred cases where agents made dangerous. Stakes is yet another strike against the federal air marshals. So drew Griffin joins me. Now in true. It's not often you hear someone saying a law enforcement agency is worthless. I'm sure the TSA doesn't she just dissolve the air marshals program. Right. Yeah. John the TSA Senate a full statement pushing back on the idea that you should just get rid of the air marshalls. We still though have no evidence. This group has taken part in stopping any terrorist activity and the DHS inspector general did call the group's contribution to safety questionable. Which is one of the reasons some call it's for disbandment, but on the issue of gun, safety and training TSA says these reports cover twelve years representing less than one percent of the workforce. During that timeframe and says these misconduct reports are taken seriously investigated and dealt with quickly. The idea though, that these people have guns on airplanes, and they may not be the best train. That's pretty troubling. I agree. The TSA says they are trained, of course, to the highest standards. John. The problem is many air marshals that we've been talking. Going to disagree with that. And even the government accountability office reported in two thousand sixteen the TSA wasn't able to tell if it's air marshals were being trained properly. They couldn't even tell TSA does say that's all fixed. Now, that's all we can take them at their word. Right. Let's hope drew Griffin. Thanks so much for the reporting things, but the news continues. So we'll hand it over to Chris. Cuomo Cuomo prime time starts now. Are you ready to learn how to build a better consulting or professional services company than download the list dot I O show for the best sales and marketing advice, so you can deliver your services to the people who need you the most on the show all be interviewing the smartest people in the industry to share what they know about building a better consulting business. Pull also give you up where I tell you. Specifically how to sell your services with confidence and how to transform into an influential leader in your industry, your happy clients probably wanna help. 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Trump slams admiral because he didn't capture Bin Laden sooner; former general: "The president is simply wrong"; Washington Post: Ivanka Trump sent hundreds of emails about government business using personal email account; many in violation of federal rul

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Trump slams admiral because he didn't capture Bin Laden sooner; former general: "The president is simply wrong"; Washington Post: Ivanka Trump sent hundreds of emails about government business using personal email account; many in violation of federal rul

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Next, President Trump charging the Obama White House should have killed Osama bin Laden, much sooner Leon Panetta CIA director when bin Laden was taken out is out front. Plus breaking news vodka Trump's sent hundreds of emails about government business using her personal Email account. Did she break federal law and Senate Democrats suing to block Matt Whitaker's appointment as acting attorney general one of the senators leading the charge is out front. Let's go out front. And good evening. I'm Erin Burnett out front this evening, President Trump targeting the military tonight doubling down after slamming. The four star Admiral who was in charge of the Obama bin Laden raid. Trump tweeting, quote, of course, we should have captured Osama bin Laden long before we did why is the president even talking about bin Laden right now. Well, the reason is because he was asked about criticism from the man who oversaw the capture and killing of bin Laden and instead of dressing the criticism, but he got from Admiral mcraven, the president pivoted lobbing insults. Instead. Now, retired four-star Admiral mcraven was ABC will you oversaw the capture Saddam Hussein and the killing of bin Laden. Just a couple of the things that he did in thirty seven years in the United States military, and then in February of two thousand seventeen he said this about Donald Trump. The president said the news media. Is the enemy of the American people this sentiment. This sentiment may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime. The greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime. Well, he said that in two thousand seventeen but it was yesterday when President Trump was specifically asked about them in his interview with Chris Wallace. And here's what he said. He's a Hillary Clinton, backer and are no bomb backer. And frankly, the navy seal. Nice. If we got Osama bin Laden a lot sooner than that. Wouldn't it have been nice? Okay. So let's go to the facts is always first the issue of mcraven politics. He's telling CNN in a statement, quote, I did not back Hillary Clinton or anyone else. I'm a fan of President Obama and President George W Bush both of whom I worked for I'd wire all presidents, regardless of their political party who uphold the dignity of the office and who used that office to bring the nation together and challenging time. So that's the part about his politics. Now, what about the second part of President Trump's slam on mcraven? You know, when he brought in Balat, it should have caught bin Laden's sooner. Well, the former CIA deputy director, Michael Morell summed it up this way saying quote correction needed to his comment today. The mcraven should have found bin Laden sooner CIA, did the finding mcraven special operators did the getting they moved within days of President Obama giving the order in other words, there's no faster mcraven could've moved but Trump's slam of mcraven is actually part of a pattern. Our military's is asking I know more about ISIS than the generals do as the war hero was captured. I like people that weren't capture that last comment, of course, is about the late. Senator John McCain who spent roughly five and a half years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam repeatedly, tortured and two of the years that he was there were in solitary confinement. Now, President Trump, of course, did not serve in the military in spite of the draft he received five deferments for Vietnam one of which was for bone Spurs. In fact, this is what we've heard him say about his Vietnam experience comparing dating to one of America's longest and deadliest wars. Getting back to dating right? And when you got him say to woman. Hey, listen, you got to go to my personal doctor, and I'm going to be checked out at a tough thing to say to a woman or you just got the balls to say, I'll tell you. It's amazing. I can't even believe it. I've been so lucky right in terms of that whole world never gotten to it. It is a dangerous world out. There is scared. It's like Vietnam. Is your personal Vietnam? Great pen, very brave soldier. So. What has President Trump done for the military? Well, he did not go to Arlington National Cemetery on Veterans Day. Didn't hold any public event honor the troops his response when confronted about that again by Chris Wallace was this. I should have done that. I was extremely busy on calls for the country. We did a lot of calling as you know. All right, at least he admits he should have done it, obviously, then giving his excuse. But at least he admits it nearly two years into his presidency. Trump meantime is not visited American troops serving in war zones, something President Obama did three months after taking office and President George W Bush did on November two thousand three thanksgiving eight months after that war had begun. Which makes the irony of these words all the greater. There's nobody nobody. The military. I don't think anybody's been more with the military than I have. Pamela Brown is out front tonight at the White House, Pamela, the president continuing this conversation about mcraven obviously was asked yesterday and today he started his tweets. Yeah. That's actually, right. And we're seeing a familiar tactic that play here. Aaron with the president trying to divert attention away from the criticism and hitting back hard. Even if the target in this case is a highly respected, former military leader. So the president. You're seeing is taking direct aim at the four star Admiral Bill mcraven when he was asked about mcraven criticism of him that the president's claims that the media is the enemy of the people is the single greatest threat to democracy. And then responses you pointed out, the Lerone Asli stated that mcraven is a Hillary Clinton backer. But Mon the fact that Osama bin Laden wasn't caught sooner and boasted about about the fact that he defended our heat pulled back funding for Pakistan. None of which of course, was relevant to the central question. He was asked, and it is worth emphasizing that Bill mcraven wasn't even responsible for finding Osama bin Laden, that's the CIA as job. Also trump. In the past praised, then President Obama for finding Osama bin Laden. So you're seeing the president distract away from the criticism from Bill mcraven now in the past the president has showered praise on the military, but he has drawn criticism. Aaron for not doing more through his actions as you pointed out, the president say now that he might go. Visit war-zones that's been one of the criticisms that he hasn't gone to any words since becoming president. He said another interview with Chris Wallace at that. Could now change the plans are in the works. So we'll have to wait and see what happens on that front. Aaron all right. Thank you very much, Pamela. And now, let's go to the former Defense Secretary and the former CIA director in the Obama administration. Leon Panetta director secretary great to have you with me tonight. You were the director of the CIA at the time. Of course, they were there were several directors during the hunt for bin Laden. But at the time when he was captured and killed you were at the helm. What's your response to president? Trump tonight. Roller the responses that the president simply doesn't know what happened here with regards to the effort to find bin Laden. This was without question. The most important and courageous counterterrorism mission. That was conducted in our history. The the seals led by Admiral mcraven had to go hundred and fifty miles into Pakistan at night in order to go after that compound that was risky and courageous operation. And the fact is that it was the CIA that was responsible for the effort to find bin Laden. And when we did we didn't brief Admiral mcraven until late January of twenty eleven. And we briefed him at that time about the location and asked him to prepare an operation within one hundred days, they conducted that operation and killed bin Laden. So the president is way off base by accusing Admiral mcraven of somehow not getting bin Laden earlier. He did. And he did it bravely and courageously with that team a special forces. You know, you've known Admiral mcraven for a long time. And he, of course, has criticized the president we heard what he said in two thousand seventeen which Chris Wallace asked about he also criticized the president after he revoked former CIA director John Brennan security clearance. Right. He did that unusual step of writing about that has he put himself in a political spot and made himself fair game for tax by the president at all. You know, full. I've worked with a lot of military leaders and these military leaders like Bill mcraven or committed to serving the country, and and stay away from politics. Stay away from criticizing political leaders because they have a mission and they do their mission. I'm sure that Admiral mcraven was concerned about. The the way the president was going after director of the CIA and going after others and particularly was concerned about his criticism of the press. That's his right. He's retired. He is now somebody who continues to provide leadership in the academic community and elsewhere. So he has every right to be able to say that. And frankly, the prison president rather than attacking him personally with regards to that mission. Obviously has the opportunity to disagree with Admiral mcraven, but this is a democracy. We all enjoy free speech. That's part of what our democracy is all about. But it doesn't mean that the president ought to attack former heroes in a very personal way. People like John McCain and now Bill mcraven because frankly it undermines any relationship he will have with the military commander in chief. And let's talk about that relationship because you know, he's obviously said no one loves the military more than he does you obviously the secretary Panetta made multiple trips to Iraq and Afghanistan as Defense Secretary. I went with you on one of those. I remember to Afghantistan here. We are about two years in not quite nearly two years in President Trump has not visited troops in a war zone. Obviously. He did not go to Arlington on Veterans Day. Do those things bother you. They do bother me because you know. The presidential leadership as commander in chief is not just about money. And obviously this president has provided a great deal of funds to the defense department. That's good. But the reality is that our men and women in uniform also look to the president of the United States for leadership, and for understanding the fact that every day they put their lives on the line. So they expect presidents to be able to visit the front lines to see what they're doing as every other president. I know in recent history is done to go to Iraq to go to Afghan STAN to go to Syria. To to visit the cemeteries that celebrate the sacrifices are our men and women have made. And the fact that he doesn't didn't go to the French cemetery because it was raining. The fact that he didn't go to Arlington on Veterans Day because somehow he was tired from his trip or or too busy. Those are tremendous symbols that are men and women in uniform take as kind of undermining the relationship that they should have with the president who really unsure understand the fact that they put their lives on the line every day in order to protect this country. It's time that the president shows that respect for the sacrifices. They make all right. Thank you very much secretary Panetta. I appreciate your time. Thank you and next. The breaking news, the Washington Post reporting, avant could Trump he's too personal Email account to send hundreds of emails about government business. Sound familiar? Plus Democrats filing lawsuits saying that Whitaker's appointment as acting attorney general is unconstitutional. Senator Richard Blumenthal is leading the charge. Does it add up? He's out front and president. Trump says Finland prevents wildfires by raking. Their forests the fans say may. It's mandatory Phil we have to rake two hours per day. But we got the greatest breaks. 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Rachel approval. Only valid on certain thirty year. Purchase transactions. Additional conditions or exclusions may apply based on Quicken Loans. Data in comparison to public data records, equal housing lender. Licensed in all fifty states and MLS consumeraccess dot org number thirty thirty. Breaking news. The Washington Post reporting avant Trump's and hundreds of emails last year using a personal Email account to White House. Aides cabinet officials and assistance the post reporting many of the emails are in violation of federal records. Rules, putting to people familiar with the White House examination of her correspondence. Despite her father frequently in viciously, attacking Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail for her personal Email us vodka Trump claims she had no idea about the rules spokesman for her lawyer Abbe Lowell has issued this statement in part while transitioning into government after she was given an official account, but until the White House provided or the same guide and save given others who started before she did miss Trump. Sometimes used your personal account almost always for logistics and scheduling concerning her family, I'll front now Matteo gold, the Washington Post political investigations editor she joins me on the phone so Matteo what what can you tell us about these emails and Trump's Email us? I reporters care Lennick and Josh Daffy learned that they were really two category of concern regards to her personal emails lesson hundred different emails involved actual discussion of government policy. Then there was another category. As a hundred more that we're logistic basically her using her personal account, Email her official schedule to assistant and technically also could be in violation of the presidential records act. And so in terms of the amount of this and her her she had no idea about the roles that doesn't add. Administration had acknowledged. By Lankan, Trump of her personal Email account last year. But we learned it actually went are beyond how it had been described in there, obviously were hundreds of emails, and there's two categories I mentioned, and what would striking was that. When Trump was approached by what has that officials about this? She said she did not aware of the Email rules and her Simpson for attorney head that once she learned that they followed proper procedures. All right Mataya. Thank you very much. Let me just go now to Jen Psaki. Former Obama White House communications director former State Department spokesperson as well on with Scott Jennings. Former adviser to Senator Mitch McConnell and special assistant to President George W Bush. All right, Jen. So so is this hundreds of emails vodka Trump private Email account? They're saying, you know, she wasn't aware that was any violation here. Your response. Well, the thing that's so striking to me. Aaron one of the things I should say is that the rules for conducting yourself on Email when you're in. The government are not complicated. It's intuitive. Actually, I mean, she certainly should have known because her father ran on. What about the emails as it relates to Hillary Clinton for two years, but you should use to government business on government Email? It's as simple as that. So the notion that she didn't know that she was supposed to use government Email, it just it. It's very hard to believe in difficult to believe the other piece that's very concerning here, I think there's going to be more to dig into is. You know, this was a family Email account. According to the reporting with Jared Kushner, her husband who is the point person for the Trump administration on a number of national security issues. He has access to a lot of classified information. She says there wasn't classified information on there. But we don't know yet. I think they'll certainly be more investigating into that. Well, of course, we know finding out whether there's one or two or duplicates of classified information was very relevant to this election, Scott I mean, and and and when it comes to use of private E mail, in any way, shape or form Avante. Trump is a very smart person. And she liked the rest of us heard this. She deleted the emails. She has to go to jail. Scott. Does. She by the way is not a change. It be clear in case. There's confusion. Yeah. I mean, it's obviously not a great story and headline for the White House. So the core question is how do you move forward from an issue like this? And what they have to show is transparency they had to show involvement from the White House counsel here. What I found interesting about the story is that her private lawyers were answering the questions not the White House counsel. They're going to need to show engagement from that official lawyers in the White House. They're going to need to publicly categorize the emails. They're going to need to show that they didn't contain any classified information. And most importantly, they're going to have to show that it happened over this period of time. It was this many emails, and here's what we did to stop it from happening even further that would be the way out of this issue. I would say now that the Democrats are in charge of the house heading lived through an Email investigation myself back during the Bush years right after the Democrats took control they will clearly use this to trigger a new branch of or line of investigation. So now, the White House counsel have this headache to worry about as it relates to their relations with congress, and you have. Again, here though, Scott as as Jen points out, the Washington Post reporting, right Hillary Clinton's excuse always was I I was unaware of the rules. I misunderstood the rules. And that's exactly what we're hearing. Now at the least it appears that the hypocrisy is rather right? Yeah. And that's why they had to be transparent about what was in the emails. If it was as simple, as her exchanging some information about personal logistics. I do think some of that is defensible. But that's why they have to sort of categorize it and lay it all out and show that there was no willful intent to mislead or hide information. There was no intent to delete any information. That's why transparency up front in a crisis situation like this. When you're trying to manage a story like this is critical. Well, and that's I guess what? The Democrats made a mistake John because obviously a lot of the Hillary Clinton e mails whereabout. We'll just what Scott is saying right leaning yoga instructor, logistics, whatever it was now. Now, that's true. But also Hillary Clinton released the State Department released tens of thousands of her Email. So the transparency bar is pretty high one and one as Scott has said, the White House is going to have to decide if they're going to meet that are they going to release vodka Trump's emails, otherwise, how will we actually know? What's in there? You know? This was clearly a campaign talking point. I'll be interested to see what. Donald Trump says when he's asked about this, which evidently he will be, but I think she also and her and her lures, perhaps do, but she doesn't know what qualifies is classified or not. So I don't know that we should take her word for it on that. Either. Scott, I want to ask you one other thing is exchange between President Trump and Adam Schiff, obviously, the ranking democrat on the house Intel committee so Schiff is going to be the chair of that committee. He called Trump's pick for acting attorney general, which is right gonna oversee the Russia investigation unconstitutional in an interview. So then Trump responds on Twitter quotes, so funny to see little Adam replace the F with teas, and you get an expletive talking about the fact that acting attorney general Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate. But not mentioning the fact that Bob Muller was not approved by the Senate shift replying on Twitter, thirty five minutes later. Well, Mr President. That's a good one. Was that like your answers to Mr. Muller questions, or did you write this one yourself, Scott? I any excuse anything that can justify. Trump calling anybody, but happens to be, you know, a senior lawmaker an expletive. Yeah. I would like to tell you that. I'm surprised, but I'm not because he has routinely given a raw if not profane nicknames to the people that are his political opponents. Republicans and Democrats I wasn't surprised to see it. I'm not sure it's a wise tactic because it elevates shift. Right. I mean, if you're Adam Schiff, this is a good day for you. Because you've now been elevated by the president and nickname status. We all know when you get a nickname from the president, you're under his skin. So I wouldn't do it. I I would think through the tactics of this. Are you giving him more relevance? Or are you giving him more of a platform by launching him into the news even further this way? Right. Then ben. And of course, I imagine you're you're saying there is no new low here in the sense of we already are at a low every single day. It seems with things the president says how he presents. But but Jan hold on. Has has accepted a level. Of course, nece that that's unfortunately exist, and I think we all three can agree on that. And hopefully, all of our viewers. But Jen what about the point of Adam Schiff, why not take the high road? Or did. He just say great now I'm being picked on. I can politically seize the moment and look good because that's what it looks like, you know, I'm not sure if it makes them look good. I don't actually think it makes them look good. It always feels good to punch the bully back in the nose. But I think what we saw in two thousand eighteen in the election. Just a few weeks ago is that the Democrats who ran on issues and ran on substance and actually tried to be the antidote to the darkness of Donald Trump were many of the Democrats who were successful. And so I think if we start to get mired in the muck, I'm not saying, that's what Adam shifted today. It, you know, I think he probably had a jerk reaction to it. He responded quickly on Twitter. But hopefully, Democrats are not to be pulled into the muck because that's how we'll spend the next two years if so all right? Thank you, both very much and next Democrats suing the keep president. Trump's acting attorney general out of the job will it work. Well, won the top Democrats filing that loss who's going to make the case and the Trump administration caves returning Jim Acosta's press pass is the White House admitting defeat. You know, what's not smart job sites that overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes. But you know, what is smart ZipRecruiter dot com slash out front. Unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter doesn't wait for candidates to find you ZipRecruiter finds them for you. It's powerful matching. Technology scans thousands of resumes identifies people with the right skills education and experience for your job. And actively invites them to apply. So you get qualified candidates fast. No, more sorting through the wrong resumes. 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Let's just be blunt here is this all about politics, or did you genuinely think you can win a case we can win this case we should win. This case we will win this case. Because what the president's doing is an end run around the constitution. It's the highest law of the land, and it provides that he very simply cannot install a person like Matt Whitaker who is his lackey and lapdog when the office really requires qualifications and Matt Whitaker lacks the key qualification, which is approval by the Senate. He's depriving us. Of doing our job. He's depriving the American people of a fifth of checks and balances which is designed precisely to protect against this kind of unqualified nominate. All right. Your case has been assigned to judge Trevor and McFadden, and he is Trump appointee two thousand seventeen you voted in favor of him. Does this mean you will trust? His ruling no matter what he does. If he rules against us on whatever grounds, we will appeal it, and I believe that we will win. If this case goes to the United States court because there is no question that the highest law of the land, the United States constitution applies here. And the supreme court has an obligation to apply and make no mistake. What's at stake? Here is not just Matt Whitaker. But all of the decisions of the department of Justice the special counsel investigation. He's shown himself to be hostile to that investigation. He's provided a blueprint for strangling and stifling it and the stakes here are very high. Now, he has right. He said he thinks it's not worth anything that he could start it from money or someone in the role that he now has could starve it for money. So it would no longer exist. Right. You're right about that. But Lindsey Graham tells us that Whitaker used all that harsh language, but. Has now assured Graham that he would quote use regular order when it comes to the Muller investigation. Do you think Graham is right? You know, you say a lot of things, but then you're given a position position of great power and authority, and you take it very seriously. And you're going to do the right thing is it possible that that is true. And that he is not a threat. That's exactly the kind of question that needs to be answered in a Senate hearing in a voting in meetings with Whittaker that's the process that takes place when the Senate advises and consents Alexander Hamilton warned that the president might appoint people of such insignificance and pliant see that they would become mere obsequious instruments of his pleasure. This man is an instrument of Donald Trump in doing his bidding in a slow motion Saturday night massacre, cutting funds cutting thority, and that's what we need to determine in the United States Senate. If there were advice and consent. So let me ask you because you know, we've been talking a lot about decorum. Right. The president. I, you know, using an expletive to refer referred to Adam Schiff, and many other things that he has done in vain you and your colleagues you do use some very. Deroga- tive terms in your statement to defend the lawsuit. You just said two of them you call him a lap dog in the lackey in this interview. But in the statement, you refer to Whittaker as a constitutional nobody and Senator White House calls him a lackey, which of course, you you just did verbally. How is that rhetoric? Any different from that of the president. This rhetoric is in legal. Papers a complaint that we have filed in the United States district court. What matters here are not our words, but the wall and. Lackey and lapdog somehow minimizing what you're saying. And make it sound, you know, more personal and more like the president is rightly criticized for using the courts are going to defy whether or not we have been deprived of our right? It is a right of senators to do our job and we're doing that job because we were elected to do that job. So the president's depriving the American people of that right by doing this constitutional and run those terms those laws are gonna be critical in the court consideration not his rhetoric or even or rhetoric. All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time as always center Blumenthal. Thank you. And next the White House backing down restoring Democrats press pass and the White House now spinning that defeat tonight. You'll hear how and President Trump about to be briefed by the CIA on the murder of journalist Jamal Shoji. This after reports the CIA has concluded that the Saudi. Crown prince the fact ruler of the country ordered the killing personally. So why is Trump still saying this? 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CNN now, dropping its lawsuit against the president and the administration with that press pass and hand, and perhaps as a face-saving measure the White House today also detailing so called widely understood practices for presidential press conferences, these supposedly include quote, eight single question from each journalist follow up questions permitted only quote at the discretion of the president or other White House officials. I guess what you do it include Sarah Sanders, and, you know, anyone's watched one of those press conferences, the whole point is everybody asks file after following fights over each other. And that's the way things have always been done. So just to be clear, not only do these wills? Not get observed. No one's ever agreed to them, and they're not widely. Understood. Okay. So let me just play. What I mentioned take a look at what happened to the last presidential press conference on November seventh. One question of the lame ducks are and one on your cabinet ask you one more question. Mr President quick one quick follow which loss last night. Surprised you the most? No foul ups. Okay. Guess not right now, our chief media correspondent for CNN and host of reliable sources, Brian Stelter and White House correspondent for American urban radio networks, April Ryan the follow ups as you want. Fire covering the Trump administration. Okay, brian. This was a major victory for CNN tonight. Yes. The headline. I mean, we've been through to release strange weeks. What else press corps is never seen anything like this? But it is clear today. Now that the White House is backed down is that it causes press passes back in his hands. CNN's going ahead withdrawn the lawsuit. There's no more lawsuit and things will hopefully get back to normal to the extent that there's anything normal about the Trump White House going forward. One of CNN's lawyers said to me this system worked in CNN had to go to court to protect Costa's rights, but the system worked checks and balances worked in this case, and as you point out Jim Acosta gets this letter of hey, there's these rules aim rules roles that there are no no follow ups allowed. Well, yeah. Whatever these rules. Are they were only sent it to him? And certainly as we just showed no one else, observes them or is aware of them and yet, right? So what what happens here, right? I mean, this is not the way things I've ever. Operated at this White House, right? Everyone's I one more question of follow to questions. And that's that's the issue right there because it's already been done. It's documented it's on tape for the world sees seem real time. How these follow ups happened, particularly when the people that they want to engage with and this is not about Jim. It's not about us. It's about the American public getting information. And Erin one thing that we have not touched upon is. Once you do a follow. What is the follow up? A follow up helps to flush out the answer or the issue just by asking what's going on. And in some could question is the censorship. Some say that you know, this is not following the the mandate or or the principles that the founding fathers put down this is not the new normal. This is not normal. You know, we've we've talked about this robust back and forth between the press and the principal or the president of the United States this somewhat constrains the process if you will especially when it's being done. Over and over again, we've seen it. So the question is how will this play out in and really will be to the detriment of the the the viewership or the American taxpayer to find out. Really what's going on, you know, Bryant when the president hinted? He, you know, he didn't interview with Fox News e hinted at the new rules, and in that he said if I think someone's acting out of sorts, I'll leave I'll say, thank you very much. Thanks for coming. I'll leave those reporters will not be too friendly to whoever it is that is acting up space saying I will withhold access to myself because of whomever, I didn't like and then the rest of the press will gang up on that person. Take care of it for me, that's very chilling trying to drive a wedge between reporters, but what's so notable the past week. Is it more than fifty news outlets? Did all stand with CNN? Did all stand United? We've almost never seen anything like that before. So if Trump wants to trying to drive a wedge he can try a not hurtles succeed. I do wonder if he'll try to come back around us these rules as a pretext to try to kick other reporters out in the future. But we will see that are not look he had a bad loss in court last week and today the White House gave it so maybe they won't try this again. But the bigger picture is the president's attack is into the media take many forms, right? This war on the truth. Trying to take away causes press pass was one of many examples of that war. And I think he's going to continue to try and all his various ways to de-legitimize the press to say real news is fake and bigness Israel to tell you can't leave your line is old that continues that thankfully reporting a of are free to ask about and let me just April remind everybody of what the president recently said about you in the midst of all this brouhaha here. He is. Same thing with April. Ryan, I watch her get up. I've been you talk about somebody. That's a loser. She doesn't know what the hell. She's doing. She's very nasty, and she shouldn't be she shouldn't be you've got to treat the White House and the office of the presidency with respect so April. What's next when you see these these rules sent to Jim Acosta, you hear yourself called out in that way. What's next? Oh, I was called out. And I wasn't even there. I was on the president's mind. Well, let me say this to you what happened to Jim Acosta. I was waiting to see how it played out because the president basically when he was talking about Jim Acosta, and the revoke of his press badge. I was the next person he had in his mind. So what happens to Jim affects me directly. And I'm hearing that it could have been a another group of people small group of people that they plan to pull the the press badge from. But I'm continue to do my job. I'm not what the president called me. And my mother used to always say, it's not what they call you. But what you answer to. I like that. Thank you very much. And now glad President Trump about to receive a full briefing on the killing of Jamal Shoji. So we'll stand by his CIA, the CIA of the United States of America, which concludes the Saudi Crown prince ordered the murder, according to the Washington Post or will he not? And it was the message that launched a thousand means Trump's cure for massive wildfires raking. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. I want to stick with an ally. Those are the words from President Trump as he's facing a formal briefing from the CIA tomorrow on the brutal murder of journalist Jamal kashogi. He's talking about Saudi Arabia that ally the briefing will include the CIA as damning conclusion, it is virtually certain which is that Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, personally, ordered the killing of Jamal kashogi. According to senior US official Jamal kashogi counters, the Washington Post resident of the United States of America. Here is the president when pressed about NBS role in the murder. What if the crown prince speaking to you, the president of the United States, and you're likely lied to you? He told me that he had nothing to do with it. He told me that I would say maybe five times at different points. What a peaceful as recently as a few days ago. Do you just live with it because you need them? Well, we'll anybody really know we do have an ally. And I want to stick with an ally. That in many ways has been very goods. Well, we'll anybody really know. Well, if that's the conclusion of the CIA, then yes, somebody really knows. And you are taking the side of the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, who you really don't know from Adam and not for all intents and purposes over Gina hospital, and the CIA there's no other way to put that. So let's go now to former CIA operative analyst, Bob Baer intelligence and security analysts about that. That does seem to be what it comes down to our my taking it too far. He's saying, oh, I talked to MBA told me five times he didn't do it. Well, at the CIA concludes he does and the president's take away as well. We'll anybody ever really know. What do you make of that will Aaron you're right is it's just preposterous. I mean, I it's like Trump saying that the Russians didn't hack the elections in two thousand and sixteen when the evidence is there the national security agency, the CIA everybody knows it except the president. He just doesn't like to deal with unpleasant facts that stand in his way of making a d. He'll a business deal basically with a country, which is very brutal. I mean what they did to kashogi. What I've heard is same thing. These lamb estate did two American hostages. There's a horribly brutal act. And this crown prince clearly was responsible for it. Everybody who knows Saudi Arabia, including the CIA knows he was behind it. And we simply can't have him sitting on the throne of Saudi Arabia because he's going to do something equally irrational at some point. And it's it's going to be much worse. If we kicked this canned down the road in in the presence. What does he do about it? Right. I mean, obviously, you know, they they leaked out this conclusion before the president was formerly briefed. Although when Gina hospital, the CIA director came back from his STAN bull ever listening to these tapes, seeing whatever evidence there was she did meet with them. Right. So whatever technical term you wanna use around this formal briefing. The president is in the loop here as he should be. But what what is it? What does it say? The what's the takeaway when he talks about lot, Amir Putin? And he says, well, he assured me he didn't do it. And nobody talks to MBA's he assured me he didn't do it in direct contradiction to his own country's intelligence. Well, the CIA and the other intelligence services answer to the White House. He's the boss. So when the boss says, I don't trust you I trust this this random person. It's completely demoralizing, but you know, good on Gina Hass, but she used to work for me. She deals in fact, and she simply put the facts down on paper and told the president, and that's the best. She can do at the same time, the rank and file or saying what's the point? All right. Thank you very much, Bob Baer. And as we said that that formal briefing supposed to happen tomorrow. But you have the president coming in. And you sure it'd be assured the director of the CIA did as well. Well, he told me you can never know for sure I'll front next President Trump says Finland rakes its forests. Is it time to break America? Great again. The wait is finally over capital. One's the match and eighteen hole dul between fourteen time major champion, Tiger Woods and five-time. Major chip Phil Mickelson. It's winner. 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The only problem is finished president solely NIA Isto says he never said that Neha Isto did admit he discussed the California wildfires with President Trump while the two met in Paris. But he says the idea of raking never came up. In fact, NIA Isto told a Finnish newspaper, he thinks raking came to Trump's mind after he saw some of the firefighters doing it in California as watching the firemen the other day, and they were raking areas they were raking areas with fire was right over there. And they're raking trees little treats like this that are nut trees little bushes that you could see you're totally dry weeds and the array keenum there would fire, but president NIA is still says that's not the solution to keeping their foresake. The only raking he sees is in his own yard vins have flooded the internet with posts mocking the idea is mandatory fail. We have to rake two hours per day. But we got the greatest breaks. In the world on Twitter one user wrote quote off to perform my civic duty another posted, quote, not on my watch hashtag rake news. And this woman said quote just this afternoon. I was busy meeting. My quota. Trump may have been trying to offer a solution after initially criticizing poor forest management for the deadly fires. But he's been raked through the internet after proposing such an idea ready saw him. You're welcome back to feeling Mr. Trump, and then we can teach you how the rake the jokes. Keep coming people in Finland across the world continue to post using hashtag Raga and hashtag rake America. Great again on quitter tonight. All right. Jessica, thank you. And thanks to all of you for joining us Seebeck here. Tomorrow Anderson's next. So many people around the world, depend on CNN's quality reporting. And now they have an incredible online store we've clothes gear and gadgets right now, you can get fifteen percent off your purchase. Just visit store dot CNN dot com. 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