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"bin laden" Discussed on Lex Fridman Podcast
"A kind of partial embrace of some aspects of the rebelliousness of some of these figures, some of the time by some people under certain conditions. Well, the terrifying thing to me. So yeah, there is a longing in the human heart to belong to a group and a charismatic leader somehow especially when you're young, just the catalyst for all of that. I tend to think that perhaps it's actually hard to be Hitler. So a leader still charismatic that he can rile a nation to war. And bin Laden, perhaps we're lucky, was not sufficiently charismatic. I feel like if his writing was better if his speeches were better, if his ideas were stronger, but more viral. And then there would be more people kind of young people uniting around him. So it's almost like accidents of history have just how much charisma. How much charisma particular evil person has? I think it's fair. Evil works I think. Do you think bin Laden is evil? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, he was a mass murderer. I'm just saying that his ideas were more complex than we've tended to acknowledge. They had they have a wider potential resonance than we would acknowledge. And also, I guess what I'm just one fundamental point is that thinking about the complexity of bin Laden is also a way of removing him from Islam. He is not an Islamic thinker. He is a cosmopolitan thinker who plays and all kinds of modern ideologies, which have proven to mobilize people in the past. So anti semitism populism environmentalism. And the urging to do something about humanity, do something about suffering. That's why I think the actual ask about what motivates people to do this kind of stuff. I think that's why if one goes below the level of leadership, and this is being reported if you look at the trial ongoing Alan Paris of the buttock murders, I think. The court allowed some discussion of the backgrounds of the accused. And they come from different backgrounds, but if there's any common bond, it's kind of had some background in petty crime. Famously, in the 7 7 bombings in London, the police, UK authorities looked at all those guys. And what people want is this idea that they must be very pious. They must be super Islamic to do this kind of stuff. They must be fanatical true believers. But what they found with those guys was that.
Sudan Says Military Coup Thwarted; Dozens of Troops Arrested
"Admiral to lead the lead story breaking news out of israel. This morning hadn't even made it in. The american press yet sudan claims to thwart military coup attempt. Many officers detained. Now i bring this up because sudan long ago and far away Harbored osama bin laden under a radical islamist regime. Have you been to khartoum. You're usually been to everywhere. Have you been to cartoon. I have not. He'd finally finally finally about. I'm not surprised because it was an islamist dictatorship forever right exactly. I think if. I'd said yes. You should have been very suspicious. Well why do we care about places like guinea and sudan. When coups happened admiral because the overall rule of law we wanna foster in the international community at breaks norms when elected governments of whatever stripe are overthrown be geo-strategically. We've seen again and again in these coup ridden contres bad actors bleed into it because they're largely ungoverned spaces in so many cases and we've that from afghanistan to libya to syria today to sudan. I fear for it in western africa. Guinea so i think those are the two principal reasons we oughta be concerned. One is philosophical political the others practical military beginning mogadishu or other failed states. But i do know you can give us a fairly good idea. What is living in a failed state. Like it's pretty much like what you saw in kabul over the last few weeks it masses of people desperation in their eyes extreme poverty armed gangs open trucks with skinny teenagers. Driving around with ak47's i'm describing both parts of east and west africa at this point all of those factors are part of this breakdown in lawlessness that audit concern very deeply in in all of these
According to the Taliban, They Defeated the United States
"Talk about afghanistan. God fa- sekine piece of real estate. it's never functioned. As a modern westphalian nation ever even under the monarchy the nation. That was home to bin laden and his al-qaeda training camps now twenty years after september eleventh is again under the control of our friends let of corrupt politicians that want to play nice with the west like qatar cy but under the control of people who want to kill you yes. The taliban quote unquote the students. The tally ban the students of islam fundamentalists. They don't hate isis. The same breed is. I says isis may want to be in control but they're all fundamentalists jihadis along with al qaeda. Now they have eighty three billion dollars worth of equipment and training that you pay for. And how are they sending that across the muslim world arab and non-arab. We defeated america. We didn't just defeat the ruthless murderous soviet union with its helicopter gunships and landmines shaped like toys to main children. We defeated the greatest station. I'm seth that's how they're selling it than jihadis are flooding back into this
John Zmirak Details All the Times George W Bush Mislead the People
"So in my columnists dream dot org w. e. hardly knew i go through all the times. George w bush misled us when on the campaign trail. He promised a modest are policy modest foreign policy. This man who proceeded to try to build a global empire. My theory on what motivated w though is a is a simple one. When he was collecting his gentleman sees at yale. I'm he wasn't known for schoolwork but he was known for before drinking a lot and playing risk. Remember that team risk. We used to play by certainly do back. In the days of the board games bright he played it every night at yale. And you and i know from having played what is the key to winning. Where's controlling the middle east. That stuck in judges head very little else. That happened second said. But i think control the middle east. That kinda stuck stuck in their long with the advice from his dad's oil buddies. I first of all spent the summer of two thousand one. Ignoring the i reports al-qaeda plans to fly airliners into us buildings there were reports. We've seen them they. He just didn't act on. The planes hit the buildings. What does he do he flies. Every member of the bin laden family out of america instance. First thing he does every member the bin laden family he gets them safely the country. Okay break this down hold on break it down for me and my audience the family. Why are they saudi friends. Who are they yes. They weren't saudi friends his and made sure that every member of that family was safely removed from the country. Within twenty hours was on top priority. He summoned a group of of of muslim leaders and held a press conference the next day calling islam. A religion of peace and saying these attacks had nothing to do with jihad and nothing to do with islam. That was a lie that he maintain all through his eight years in office. That jihad has nothing to do with islam. Al qaeda has. It's just a weird wild perversion of islam. As opposed to what you and i know that it is simply orthodox islam put into practice period. He lied about that he knew better. He lied he lied to america. Ocoee covered up the connections of the saudi arabian government to al-qaeda and now the fbi just last weekend revealed some of the details that at least one. Saudi diplomat in the us was paying for the hotel rooms of the hijackers before they did the hijack.
George W. Bush Compares Domestic Violent Extremists to 9/11 Terrorists in Appalling Speech
"This is the man who i don't know he he he he's meant to be a conservative He was a republican president. He went to shanksville pennsylvania to the field where flight ninety three crashed off to those brave brave men took it back from the territory. Terrorists to save lives in dc and this is what he said on the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven. This is the man who was president. When nine eleven happened cut to play cup little cultural overlap between violent extremists abroad and violent extremists at home. But then there's disdainful pluralism in their disregard for human life in their determination to defile national symbols. They are children of the same foul spirit and it is our continuing duty to confront them. Children of the same foul spread so nine eleven bin laden and maga- supporters are the same but lemon antiques. Don't get a mention your action cuddle. Why are they got was the most disgusting thing i i. I've seen in years. You know. I supported that guy. I had his back when he wouldn't defend himself because he was a gentleman. Dr gorka and is soon as it became clear that he's useless brother. Please clap. jeb. Of was not going to get our support because of his unbroken tracker failure George bush discovered his voice and decide to use it against the very same people who supported him. What i'm the marxist. But it's becoming clear that class that is the guys who hang out at the country club seems to take priority over actual policies. I i'm so disgusted by this guy. This is so bankrupt. Guy went off to war for his father. I deployed under him I was a loyal supporter and be charged with his blood. Libel this disgusting slander. Because you know he didn't have to say we all knew what he means. You can see the giggling liberal blue checks on twitter knowing exactly what he that was just
FBI Releases Newly Declassified Record on Sept. 11 Attacks
"And F. B. I. report declassified by the Biden administration ties two of the nine eleven hijackers to Saudi nationals living in the U. S. however it doesn't provide proof senior kingdom officials were complicit in the pot the Saudi government denies involvement there has been speculation of involvement since shortly after the attacks when it was revealed most attackers were Saudis Asama bin laden was from a prominent family in the kingdom the document released on nine eleven is a summary of an FBI interview done in twenty fifteen with a man who had frequent contact with Saudi nationals in the U. S. who supported the first hijackers to arrive in the country Biden ordered government agencies to review and release what documents they can over the next six months something victims families have long called for I'm Julie Walker
"bin laden" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"From western pakistan to eastern pakistan. Now anyone who is involved in planning that attack on the indian parliament knew that at a minimum that would happen a maximum. It might have started a war between india and pakistan and one of the most interesting unresolved questions yves talks about it. But he doesn't have the answer. I don't have the answer either. Is who made that happen. Who came up with that decision. And what role did osama bin laden play that. Sorry to disappoint you. the answer. That question is not in this book. It's probably in the archives of the isi and those are planned to be open to the world sometime. Well actually. there is no plan to ever open simpler. Let's step back from this for a minute. Because i think one of the interesting things you do at the end of the book is contrast president bush's handling of this operation in tora bora in two thousand one with president obama's handling of the raid to go after osama bin laden in two thousand eleven. And just quote what you say. Ultimately the manner in which george w bush and barack obama interacted with their military subordinates shaped the outcomes of their operations to kill or capture osama bin laden president bush's and secretary rumsfeld's absent role in the battle of tora. Bora insured bin. Laden's escape will president obama's active involvement in the book about raid prevented the operation from going iraq. Say a little more about contrasting styles and what president obama did. The president. Bush didn't do share. I do want to point out initially that these are very different. Circumstances nation was at war in a moment of crisis in nine eleven and at tora bora that was not the same case in two thousand eleven. And planning the raid. They're different circumstances but what brings them together is. Both presidents had an opportunity to go. After bin laden there was a level of uncertainty and both had to deal with the military and going forward. I mentioned a little bit already. That president bush and secretary rumsfeld were not engage at all at what was going on tora bora in contrast when you look at the way. President obama handles the military. He had a level of active active involvement. That really got out down into practically every detail as you may know when the abbad rate occurred at the two helicopters were moving towards the compound. The first one went down and it actually crashed at to crash. Land was disabled. while during the planning process. President obama looked at the resources dedicated for the battle. And he said i'm sorry. This is not enough. We don't have enough individuals to allow the seals to battle the way out of pakistan. If they have to. And we don't have enough resources in case something goes wrong. So he specified that up to four additional helicopters. Were to go on the raid to landed in the middle of nowhere and pakistan's at a riverbed and waited too on the afghan side. That first helicopter went down. The other one was ready to go came over immediately. It's about a. I think a ninety minute flight. I'm sorry maybe forty five minute flight about about it took the pakistani military much less than that time to respond to the the downed aircraft message. So had there not been those those helicopters there we have been looking at a major international incident where navy seals were battling pakistani military forces. They could have been an extraordinarily different difficult circumstance and because president obama really got down in the details we can say the operation went off without a major hitch. I do want to say so that this can be looked at really politically. And i don't mean for it to be that case. Because president obama or president bush really felt filled his role and stepped into it. As you got more involved into his into his presidency. If you look at the way that he handled the surge in two thousand six in two thousand seven he listened to the military advice and he overruled them and so he did get down into the details. He did examine the information necessary. And i think he did the right thing so. I hope that it's not considered a political comparison. Because it's just two different instances in time where they're both going after bin laden underscore that point. This is this is not an advertisement for the dnc and after president obama's now running again so it'd be a waste of the dnc. He's tired what it is trying to do. Is take a look at leadership role of leadership and the lessons that we can learn from all of this to be fair to the bush administration. They were responding to an extraordinary event. The attack of nine eleven which created a sense of panic in the united states. They nervous breakdown if you wanted to. There was a sense that any moment there could be another attack on the united states of america. President obama in two thousand eleven was in a very different place. There wasn't a sense of imminent threat to the united states homeland and he had the opportunity to spend as much time as he wanted to before he decided to send in the seals. If he'd wanted to wait another month he there was. Nobody was no pressure coming from the outside world because none of us knew what he and his inner circle knew that they had a reasonable belief that they'd found a lot so accepting these differences. I think that the other big question. That i just want to close my part of this interview with you is. What are the lessons learned if you look at two thousand one. A failure of the counter terrorism mission. What lessons can we learn from out about future counterterrorism missions and future military operations and intelligence operations like this show actually like to go back to point and very quickly before i address it. One of my professors who i consider close mentor wasn't a high level position during this time in two thousand and one and he was at the nine eleven site a couple of weeks later with vice president. Cheney and he gets a call from stephen hadley who was the deputy national security advisor saying that the biotoxin detectors in the white house had gone off and apparently it was botulinum and in twenty four hours. Everybody in the white house would be dead if it was an actual attack so he had to go over while at the nine eleven site. That is still smoldering and tell the vice president that and begin to plan for the chain of succession then..
We Must Not Let the Future Generations Forget 9/11
"So as we look at twenty years later at nine eleven we have to do. And this is a call to action for every single adult out there in every single parent which you need to tell this generation didn't grow up with nine eleven. What happened on nine eleven. We have people that work for us at turning point. Usa that have no memory of nine eleven. None you now have a generation of leaders that are going to be growing up with no idea of what it's like where your entire world. All of geopolitics changes almost overnight. Air travel changed for good. How the military change almost everything chain. I know so. Many members of my generation have their own story of where they were and how it happened. And it's really it's really important question. And it's one that you think about it. Osama bin laden and his evil partners they wanna make america less free. They wanted to make america weaker
"bin laden" Discussed on Fresh Air
"How did he play hidden in creating his image. At the height of the of the war against the soviets the might have been three hundred. Arab circled afghan arabs on the battlefield. Meanwhile the you know somewhere between one hundred seventy five thousand to two hundred and fifty thousand afghans at any moment fighting the soviet. So the arabs. Virtually no impact on in any you know strategically or even operationally on the war in afghanistan. But in bouma's mind. There is no doubt that he himself fought with almost suicidal bravery against the soviets in nineteen eighty seven. He and Some of his kind of follow us set up a military camp quite near a soviet base and they fought for two or three weeks against soviet special up special forces But you know bin laden setup this military camp you didn't have any strategic impact when the war the afghans don't really need help with fighting but imbalanced mind the his arabs. The people his follows helped defeat a superpower. I think this was absolutely delusional One of many delusions he had but it was a delusion that he felt very strongly and wish ed by others. Because you know. John lewis came to cover bin laden including Jamal kashogi who of course was quoted by the saudis in two thousand eighteen in istanbul. But jamal kashogi was the first mainstream journalists to cover bin laden and wrote a pretty low masterpiece and our big annan english documenting bin laden and his efforts and bear in mind that there are several thousand members of the saudi royal family. None of whom were fighting in afghanistan here is bin laden a member of a prominent a saudi family fighting himself personally against the soviet some recruiting people to fight against this and so it was kind of a heroic story and there's no doubt that dan lavin four with some bravery but what affected it have on the larger war. The answer is virtually nothing. You're right that he formed al qaeda there actually documents that show this. I guess in nineteen eighty eight Moves to sedan and operates there and eventually is forced to leave because he's creating problems with the saudi regime and they They exert pressure to get to force him to leave. He relocates in afghanistan and in this period. He's angry about american troops intervening after the iraqi invasion of kuwait. He doesn't like to see all these american troops in muslim countries and he begins planning mass attacks that will kill large numbers of civilians. Do we know why he chose that. Approach the why questions are very difficult in history. Why bin laden went down the path. He did i. I i try and explain to the reader. How did he get that. Because i think how is is perhaps more clear way of explaining it. So i i think there was nothing inevitable about how bin laden this shy religious teenager then becomes the leader of a group dedicated a mass motor..
"bin laden" Discussed on Fresh Air
"He was extremely americanized As we're of so many members of the family and in this photo. I think the reason. I included it. Was you know older women that are not covered guys girl girls kind of nineteen seventy hippies kind of outfits on i think it just shows that you know what you know. One of the interesting puzzles is bin. Laden had fifty four siblings. None of chose the path that bin laden did And so we have one of the questions. I'm trying to answer the book is. Why did you go down this path. This photo i think is kind of an interesting Kind of counterpoint. Which shows that. Nothing's inevitable In any of our lives none of the twenty two siblings who are in this picture of osama bin laden Yeah none of them chose the life of jihad and in fact the quarter of bin laden. The siblings were educated in the united states. They owed the money that fortune in many ways to the marriage of convenience between the united states and the saudi kingdom. Which is you know based on the oil business Most of the family. Were you know donald roll anti-american. Yeah it's fascinating that the kids in this picture they got bell-bottoms and sideburns and all this stuff Osama bin laden worked for the family construction company allowed you described that he would actually dr bull bulldozers. Do we know why he turned so resolutely towards religion. That's a puzzle. And i mean i try not to do too much char psychology in the book. Because you know. I'm not a psychologist. And i interested in how How long got to where he became Answering the why is kind of a more complex question. But in his own account to his family he said the death of his father turned him made it more religious. His father died when he was ten in this in a plane crash Bin laden told his family members that he began studying the koran at a certain point he memorized the entire koran which is quite a feat. A memorizer six thousand sofas in the koran so i sort of take bin laden at his own You know the count but he told his family take that at face value by the time he's a teenager you know he's faceting Twice a week he's An extra set of prize that is not required and you know required in the koran when he brings his buddies over to see you know to to play the chant songs about palestine sort of typical kind of you know behavior. Uc and a teenager. So i think the death of his maybe more religious and He kept going on dom path. The russian invasion of afghanistan was clearly a transformative event. In in his life. He would have been in his early twenties then and he had money right. He had his share of the family inheritance and so he spent a lot of it assisting the afghan resistance forces Eventually goes there and becomes a military leader himself. You want to organize you know arabs. Who are motivated to come in. And drive the russians out of afghanistan into a military force and of course most of those who were fighting the soviets in afghanistan were not arabs. They were you know. Pashtoon speaking afghans. I guess What kind of impact did did bin laden have as a military leader in afghanistan. And how did he spend it..
"bin laden" Discussed on Fresh Air
"He reminded me a little bit of hitler. You're moving around these divisions at the end of world war two. that didn't exist. We need to take a break here. Let me reintroduce it. We are speaking with peter. Bergen his new book is the rise and fall of osama bin laden will continue our conversation in just a moment. This is fresh air. This is fresh air and our guest. Is peter bergen. He's journalist and author. Who's written several books about al-qaeda and other jihadist movements. His new book is a biography of osama bin laden called the rise and fall of osama bin laden. You write about his early life and this is interesting stuff. I mean he came from a wealthy family The money was from this construction company that his father founded he became a close friend of the saudi royal family and they became enormously rich. What kind of relationship. That osama bin laden half with his two parents well with his father mohammad bin laden founded this you know basically came to saudi arabia in one thousand nine hundred ninety just before you know this huge gosh of petrodollars landed on the kingdom and yeah. He adeptly kind of took advantage of that but to become the largest construction magnet in in the saudi kingdom bin. Laden's relationship with his father. Was i think virtually non-existent. I mean this is a bin laden. Had fifty four siblings And bin laden's father married his his mother in in syria when she was a teenager he was the belongs. Father was around fifty when they go married And build on soil his father. It looks like he only met with his the five times in his entire life. His father died When bin laden was ten bin laden appears had only one one one meeting with his father. So you know. The parents divorced when bin laden was only two so his his his relationship with his father was nonexistent really but he did believe that he was kind of a filling an important mission his father his father supposedly said that one of his songs would sort of fight jihad holy war and bin laden felt that he was kind of fulfilling his father's wishes his relationship with his mother was very warm You know he we kiss her hands he would make small talk with our complimentary like on a cooking always remained very very close to her. Even when he was on the ron in sudan and afghanistan in the nineties he would communicate with her to extend that he could so hit very warm relationship with his mother so he grew up in this family that had enormous wealth. And you know some wealthy missed. Middle eastern families would send their children to be educated in western countries Many of the united states and many were known for a very lavish lifestyle. There's a photo you have in the book. It's really this remarkable photo of. I guess maybe twenty or so members of the bin laden family on vacation in sweden in nineteen seventy one. You want to describe this photo and you included it. This is a pretty well known photo. All the bin laden family on vacation. I think there were twenty three bin laden siblings in the picture one of whom maybe osama bin laden there's some debate about it But the launch point is is that salem bin laden who took over the family the oldest brother took over the family business when his father mohammed bin laden died In a plane crash You know he was a very westernized Guy he People would a house in orlando kind of state. He basically Play the guitar play. Where have all the flowers gone on these kinds of nineteen sixties hits so..
"bin laden" Discussed on Fresh Air
"What is your research say. I mean it's hard to prove negatives. But i mean as far as i can tell something no evidence for for for that view Bin laden was hiding from people on the living with him. On the compound he was extremely paranoid. There was no reason for him to inform somebody in the pakistani government about where he was in fact al qaeda a very hostile view of the pakistani government. was pining military operations against Pakistani targets bin laden in the four hundred and seventy thousand files that have been released publicly from about about There is simply no evidence that bin laden was being protected by pakistani officials was in communication with pakistani officials That pakistani officials new walls. So the reason. I think this view Arises is you know he was living. Relative quests close to the pakistan's equivalent of west point and so people sort of say well the pakistani must've known but in fact they were befuddled by The fact that he was living in about a bodice as anybody else and in fact the united states was listening. In on pakistani communications the night of bin laden was died and pakistani leaders. Were clearly kind of sort of finding the situation very strange and didn't understand what was going on. So there's no evidence that bin laden was being protected by pakistani officials. it's a widespread view But that doesn't mean it's true you know the months before of bin laden's death in twenty eleven was the beginning of the arab spring. I mean this outburst of democratic aspiration and activity how did bin laden regard these developments. You know with a great excitement. He wrote one of his top deputies. This is probably the most important development in the middle east in the centuries but he was also perplexed about what to do about these great events because he was cognizant of the fact that the protests is you know in the streets of cairo or in streets of tunisia when waving banners bin laden demanding taliban-style theocracies. They were demanding kind of universal. Human rights the rights to assembly free speech Do not live under an authoritarian. Corrupt government So you know bin laden really was kind of thinking through about. How do i respond to this. Well how can i position myself to be relevant. What can i say about it. And in fact the spring by the time bin laden it starts really. You know in january of two thousand eleven. He's killed in may of two thousand eleven you know..
"bin laden" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Bin laden For all his many vices and all the evil that he Death and destruction that he calls he was something of a family man and he wanted to have family around him And in fact the folks of the cia who really tracking bin laden even the best. You know the fact that he this mysterious group of people who are living in this compound seemed to include many family members for them. That was towel that it might well be bin laden because bin laden had always had at least Three or four wives with him at any given moment despite the fact that you know even when he was living in exile in sudan in the nineties and then in afghanistan and in the five years before nine eleven He was surrounded by family members. Despite the risks of even even before nine eleven he was very much wanted by the united states so he had this You know. Sort of significant entourage. I mean it's understating it to say he was security conscious What kind of restrictions did he impose on. All these wives grandchildren bodyguards. Their their their families. Interesting it was a it was a prison of his. Oh making and he was the chief warden in his sound son he himself. The was extremely careful about what he did. He would walk around the garden With a cowboy hat on so that nobody could recognize him if there was a satellite overhead yet a healthy respect for american spy capabilities. And you know. His family members went out leaving the compound. He never left the compound if in fact he was hiding to such a degree that one of the bodyguards wives wasn't aware that it was osama bin laden living amongst them even though she was living on the same compound and one time bin laden appeared on tv and One of the daughters nine year old daughters of the bodyguard asked you know kind of. Isn't that the guy who's living here And at that point the body..
Trump Weighs in on Afghanistan Withdrawal
"Hello america it's a great honor to have president. Donald trump with us president trump. How are you sir. Hello mark i'm great. Thank you well. It's a great honor. You know we don't have you on radio and tv a lot. Because i try to respect your time. So when i do have you is very very important. Cleared out all the commercials and everything else. That's very good. Thank you and i want to jump right in with you because we do need your wisdom okay. So would you believed twenty years after nine. Eleven the enemy that supported bin laden and al qaeda will be celebrating victory over america not believable. Not even thinkable should have never happened. They just surrendered. Our president surrendered. Not even a possibility and we had it done and we handed over something so good after the rigged election. We had it so strong. And i dealt with abdul his leader and abdul ghani character. I dealt with him. The leader and i said any american soldiers get hit. You will pay a price. The likes of which no country has ever paid and you know what for eighteen months. We didn't have any soldiers hit. Everything was absolutely and you know we can be conditions based deal when they didn't meet a condition with bomb them and we were in great shape and we could have. We could have taken three years for years. Two years one month to get out did matter they would never go into come in and we were going to remove the army or the military last not first. We're gonna take every ounce of equipment we wouldn't have had a bring our new soldiers in. They brought these young great soldiers in thirteen died many very badly wounded. Nobody ever talks about them. In two hundred fifty people overall were were killed. Mean you saw that. It was just terrible but that would have never happened because everything was orderly. There was no rush and i said i want every nut every bolt every tank every plane. I want everything taken out. And i want the american people out.
CIA Veteran: Al-Qaida Will Rebuild Within Afghanistan
"Hi Mike Rossi a reporting a CIA veteran expects al Qaeda to rebuild within Afghanistan Michael Morell who was the C. I. A. analyst who briefed president George W. bush on September eleven two thousand one said Tuesday he's convinced the Taliban will invite al Qaeda to rebuild in Afghanistan or L. who twice served as acting CIA director spoke at an online forum sponsored by the US attorney's office for the Eastern District of Virginia it was one of a series of panels this week to commemorate the twentieth anniversary of the September eleven attacks rail twice served as acting CIA director and he briefed president Barack Obama on the intelligence that led to the killing of Osama bin laden he said there's no doubt in his mind the Taliban will give safe haven to al Qaeda and he believes al Qaeda's intention will be to build capability so they can attack us here at home Mike Rossio Washington
How Do You 'Normalize' Relations With the Taliban?!
"Everything. I hear coming out of this white house. The state department is attempt to normalize the taliban and we also have talked about everything else. But but jim kalki normalize relations with the taliban. Here's the problem with trying to do that. Is is what you're doing is empowering and legitimizing them and what that will do is speed the the degree to which they will become a threat their relationship with al qaeda and the network and as you know the connie were were the people that originally insisted that the taliban invite bin laden to come to afghanistan they they span afghanistan and pakistan. They have a relationship with pakistani intelligence services these are or religious zealots and the taliban may not have the perfect relationship with it but they can't give them up explain why al qaeda and connie have to go back to afghanistan have to reconstitute their basis. Why is the twentieth anniversary. September the eleventh so important. What is there that goal right now and this gets to the key point. Why the administration's course of action is so incredibly dangerous that it is it is it is actually the beginning of the most dangerous phase of this crisis not the end of the crisis but the start of the really big scary crisis because once alka and they've already done this the day they touch back on afghan soil. They have one thing in mind only one thing they have to do. They have to have another nine eleven. They have to do it. And it has to be planned out about ghanistan. It's not like oh. We learned our lesson. Stick to terrorism or other places. The americans won't bother us again because honor is power and they have to regain their honor and they have to regain their respect and they have to fill the historic mission that the global jihad is alive and well and the way they do. That is twenty years after nine. Eleven they strike america in its heart again and they kill as many more. That is the gory that cannot be resisted. They have to do
Taliban Kill Squad Hunting Down Afghans Using US Biometric Data
"That the taliban has a special unit called out ishaq hoop and they hunt down. Afghans who helped the us allies and they are now using us equipment at data that tracked down the afghans because we left behind a lot of hand held scanners which tap into a massive biometric database all the afghans who helped us We took their fingerprints. We took a photo of their irises and collected biographical data and seven thousand. Handheld scanners were circulating. We don't know how many we left behind. And but now al says they have the information so There's there's at should the sister al qaeda who's alicja. Al is part of the hawk connie network which is well. This is part of the problem. It's a terror group aligned with the taliban and the taliban's aligned with al qaeda right but not isis right economy and And the taliban are intertwined and Let me see here. There there's a hi. Connie family and one of the family members is now zoot hakim. Oh honey of course. He revealed the history and command structure of out. East asia It's a brigade of more than two thousand fighters that is named after khalil. Connie who had a five million dollar bounty on his head and he leads a unit Is he's the brother of the late to jolla in her. Connie who was osama bin laden's mentor and later served as cabinet minister for the
The Hidden War Between ISIS and the Taliban
"The taliban seized control of afghanistan last week after the us military began its planned withdrawal from the country. The group has long fought american coalition forces in afghanistan. But it's also been fighting a parallel war against the afghan arm of islamic state. The local offshoot known as isis k. has reportedly claimed responsibility for the deadly suicide bombing at kabul's airport and the us has vowed to retaliate allen. Collison of the wall street journal has covered the hidden war between the taliban and isis and he joins us from kiev allen. Thanks for being with us. thanks for having. There's a lot of fear not just in afghanistan but around the world about what the taliban takeover means for afghan citizens and for global security but the taliban and the islamic state are sworn enemies. Talk about the relationship between the taliban al qaeda and isis going back to the nineteen ninety s. The islamic state wasn't around in the nineteen nineties yet. The only two groups of importance in afghanistan back then were the taliban and al qaeda taliban had taken control of afghanistan in the nineties after civil war and then al qaeda us the chaos and the vacuum there to set up camp and start training camps and basically turn into a terrorist training ground. the taliban were somewhat ambivalent about al qaeda's presence there from the beginning they did have strains in the relationship but there were also quite defensive about being told what to do by the outside world and so when al-qaeda misbehaved and we bombed afghanistan that sort of seemed to strengthen ties between them after september eleventh When we demanded that they give up bin laden and they wouldn't our invasion of course toppled the taliban And created more problems between the taliban and al qaeda but in some ways they strengthen their relationship because they had a common enemy and they were fighting the united states and over over the course of twenty years. You could say that. They've almost
Biden Responds to Kabul Airport Attack
"Short time ago. The president of the united states came out and spoke about the horrific bombing which happened today in kabul. We don't know of course the exact death toll at the moment. But it seems like they're already thirteen American servicemen killed and the president's speech. I thought was one of the more bizarre speeches. I've ever seen by a president and i'm saying this in the year. Twenty twenty one so i want to get quick reaction. I'm assuming everyone had the opportunity to review the president's ben. he's not since he is not capable. He is not competent. He came out. He looked like a mental patient. I mean he really did he he. He looked like he was barely awake. He stumbled his way through a bizarre seven or eight minutes speech. That contract itself about seven different times. He tried to rely very heavily on the. I'm empathetic joe. Routine the but the minute. That questions began all that went out the window. And he became combative joe He had nothing of merit to say. Yes no defense for his policies because this policy garbage and most of all if you're an american enemy watching the president of the united states on the same day that thirteen american soldiers are killed twelve marines. And you're watching. As the united states turns tail and runs leaving a thousand plus american citizens behind in kabul plus an unspecified number of thousands of american green card holders plus hundreds of thousands of people who will immediately be slaughtered by the taliban and as it turns out the united states government handed a list to the taliban of all the people we wanted to evacuate in the know precisely who to kill five just in kabul. They're americans all throughout the country. Weren't even talking. Yeah that's right if you're watching this as an enemy of the united states and then you watch this adult old feeble minded man walk out and barely make it through sentence. You're thinking you're like homer simpson with a hamburger right now. I'm bin laden said in ninety eight ninety nine after bombing kenya and tanzania the embassies there and after the mild response from a clinton administration said america's paper tiger. I don't know how if you're an enemy of the united states watching what has happened over the course of the last month. You can't look at the united states and say that is a nation. That can do anything i want to. This is a nation that is ripe for fall and this president is ready to let it
Whose Propaganda Is Worse: Biden Administration or the Taliban?
"Me show you what else I'm seeing. Bleed into our media here. And that is that, uh, Well, look, uh, the Taliban really do seem to be changing. They're making all kinds of promises. Here. They They say they will work with us after the fact you heard Blinken say it. So what Blinken says the media will regard you take And yet NBC is now reporting this just broke. That the Taliban spokes idiot The spokes. Terrorists said that there's no evidence Osama bin Laden was involved in 9 11. What do you think of that? Mr Producer? There's no evidence Osama bin Laden was involved in 9 11, but we're going to believe this guy when he says for sure. After August 31 you just show up with your papers will let you through. I don't know whose propaganda is worse, the Taliban or the Biden administration. The Taliban or the Biden administration. They're both lying. The bite administration wants you to believe that you can rely on the Taliban, but we're going to be very careful What we know who they are. Yeah, Yeah. They speak out of both sides of the man. We know they're dangerous. We know who they are, but they promised they said, you know. We have to rely on their word. Because that's all they've got The bad administration when they pulled the military at the first time, and they're pulling it out
Biden Doubles Down on Afghanistan Decision
"Mike pompeo on this show in front and said it's pointless argue counterfactual because we don't know what happened with a counterfactual. What happened is a disaster in the president yesterday on sunday arguing that there was no alternative. This was going to happen. No matter what plan we had is not persuasive. Except i don't even think. Five percent of the american people believe it had to be this way claim number two from friday jake. Let's play cut number forty one. The military has secured the airport as you mentioned. But will you sign off on sending us troops into kabul to evacuate americans who haven't been able to get to the airport safely. We have no indication that they haven't been able to get in couple through the airport. We've made an agreement with with the taliban this far. Jake sherman true or false false. I mean false. Because not because i'm in kabul i'm not but because We have reporters on the ground. Who have had trouble getting to the airport. Not punishable news but cnn cbs. Spot and bc. I mean we know that people are having trouble getting to the airport so let me play one more claim from friday. Then want to ask you about congressional offices because they are some unsung heroes out. There both republican and democrat third claim by president biden on friday. What interests do we have in afghanistan. At this point with al qaeda gone we went to afghanistan for the express. Purpose of getting rid of al qaeda in afghanistan as well as as well as getting no sama been lot jake sherman. We know bin laden is dead. We don't know where zawahiri is. What was the reaction around town to. The president's claim that al qaeda was gone. Well i think other people in his administration have indicated the opposite that al-qaeda indeed is a resurfacing in afghanistan and mike resurface in afghanistan. And furthermore what. A lot of people have said to me is what we went into other countries with express purposes that had been solved and stays in those countries for years and in many cases were still in those countries to keep the peace to advance foreign policy initiatives so You know. I think that is the general reaction that i think it was. Maybe the most disastrous five questions of presidents ever been out for
How Chaos In Afghanistan Emboldened Terrorism - burst 1
"Chaos in afghanistan upton as president biden withdrew military forces leading to a forceful takeover by the taliban today august seventeenth. We will dive into one of the greatest foreign policy. The buckles in modern history. Good afternoon. i'm meeting. Kim and this is the outspoken oma quote. Joe biden has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy national security issue over the past four decades and quote. Who said that not trump not a partisan congressmen or republican operative. That was robert gates. The former secretary of defense under president obama for three years and today as we see significant foreign policy the buckle unfolds in afghanistan that quote is once again reaffirmed now quickly dive into some basic background information as to what is transpiring in afghanistan back in mid april president biden announced immediate withdrawal all american troops from afghanistan by september eleventh. Twenty twenty one. Obviously september eleven was chosen dates because that was to recognize the anniversary of the september eleventh terrorist attacks and which led to the immediate was occupation of afghanistan because at the time afghanistan was harboring osama bin laden on august fifteenth. The taliban took over the capital of kabul effectively toppling. Afghanistan's governments later afghan. President ghani fled the country right before taliban leadership storm the presidential palace and thousands of afghan citizens fled to kabul international airport to skip the taliban. Now while oldest was transpiring. President biden was in camp david and he was strong criticized because he didn't have a strong message or strong immediate message in response to all of this so he traveled back to washington. Dc to address the nation from the white house one of the biggest elements that he was criticized for in the speech was the blame game in which he played and one of the obviously notable people in which she blames forwarded the buckle in afghanistan was trump and sort of implied some blame to bush and obama. He said quote when i came into office. I inherited deal that president trump negotiated with taliban on the his agreement. Us forces would be out of afghanistan. May i twenty twenty one. Just a little over three months after i took office. Us forces had already drawn down during trump administration from roughly fifteen thousand five hundred american force to two thousand five hundred troops in country. The taliban was strongest militarily. Since two dozen one the choice i had to make as your president was added to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season and quote. And but if you actually look at the deal that trump's state department may with taliban it's not what biden actually described in his address at a nation. Mike pompeo who was secretary of state under president trump said in a recent interview that the deal of the taliban was strictly conditional which meant that deal was was strictly predicated on the taliban committing to a peaceful transfer of power in order for america to withdraw after that commitment to a peaceful transfer of power appel said in a recent interview quote we would have demanded the taliban actually deliver on the conditions that we let out in the agreement including the agreement to engage in meaningful power sharing agreement some that which we struggled to get them to do but made it clear it was going to be required before we completed requirements to fulfil foley withdrawal and unquote. And you know there are some criticisms of the deal. Mike pompeo made with the taliban. Obviously the taliban actually pursuing a peaceful transfer of power from the afghan government was not going to happen. I mean we actually thought. That was being overly idealistic. So people had that criticism upon pales deal but even if biden did not agree with the policy that trump's state departments made in efforts to come to some sort of consensus with the taliban he kind of reversed it. I mean he was president for seven months. Which meant that. He'd independence day department and independence defense department and he could have used his powers as the chief executive to to reverse a deal that the previous administration made i mean for his entire time as president of the united states reversed nearly every single policy. That trump did while he was president. So this is no exception. I mean he should own up to the flaws of the policies in which he tried to pursue in addition to to trump he also blamed the afghan military. He said quote. The truth is but this did on for the more quickly than we had anticipated. So what happened. Afghanistan political leader escape up and fled the country the afghan military collapse. Sometimes we're not trying to fight if anything developments at the past week reinforced the ending. Us military involvement in afghanistan. No was the right decision. American troops cannot ensure not be fighting a war and dying in award. Afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves and quotes. This is honestly one of the most politically cynical things that i've ever heard biden say the afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves. Fifty thousand afghan military soldiers died in darndest entire two decades of us occupation of afghanistan. And the reason why they cannot successively defend themselves against the taliban was because biden himself pulled out a contractors and basically destroyed the afghans dependency on us military which are obviously undermined the ability of afghan military to counter act opposing taliban forces. According to the wall street journal quote in the wake of president biden's withdrawal decision the us pulled its airports air support intelligence and contractors servicing afghanistan planes and helicopters. This meant that afghan military simply cannot operate anymore and quote. Admittedly afghan leadership was significantly underprepared in the wake of the draw because as by afghan officials did not believe america will draw however according to andrew watkins a senior analyst for afghanistan and at the international prizes group research advocacy organization. There was no evidence that the taliban significantly increased their manpower and argue. The only reason why there's summer offensive was successful was due to a lack of us. Air strikes which meant that biden's administration shorter significant blame for the dismantling of the afghan government. What biden actually expect to happen when he pulled the entire the tire. Us presence from afghanistan if the afghan military dependent so much on the us occupation of afghan for the viability of their own independent military force. Then of course when they pulled out of afghanistan. The afghan military by itself was not sufficient enough to defend against the taliban if you're pulling out intelligence contracts that were vital for the dependency of the afghan military than have military is expected to fall when the taliban was advancing to the nation's capital and one of the other things that addition to buy actually blaming everyone except for himself for the marco afghanistan biden also discussed casualties in the in the afghan occupation. He said quote. Lemme ask those who wanted to wanted us to stay. How many more how. Many thousands more of american daughters and sons are willing to risk and quotes according to abc news. There's not been a single american combat death since february eighth twenty which was eighteen months ago. That's not to belittle the two thousand three hundred twelve american soldiers that lost life in afghanistan. But it is the suggests that thousands of stationed american soldiers in the lead up to the afghanistan pull out were not being bogged down by precipitous warfare in combat honestly by contrast more than fifty one thousand taliban fighters were killed by american armed forces which shows a major power imbalance in military superiority between taliban in american forces but aside from that by reportedly sent five thousand additional troops back in afghanistan to aid withdrawal despite his call for not putting sons and daughters at risk he just said that it was egregious to put american sons and daughters at risk for filled mission. So what is different about the five thousand additional troops. He sending back into afghanistan. Aren't those sons and daughters. Also at risk and to add insult injury tens of thousands of american citizens have been left behind it in afghanistan in the withdrawal according to the washington according to wall street journal an estimated ten thousand fifteen thousand new citizens remained in afghanistan so yes it is tragic. Every single american soldier died in. afghanistan is a tragedy. No one is disputing dance but suggests that afghanistan was a present danger to the current military soldiers. There from february twenty is simply not true and biden. Really closer to speech with i think when idiotic things that he said in his entire speech close with kohl's diplomacy he said quote. We will continue to support the afghan people we will lead before. Diplomacy or international influence in or humanitarian aid will continue to push for regional diplomacy and engaging prevent violence and instability will continue to speak out for the basic rights at the afghan people of women and girls just as we speak all around the world and quote and my question is just how. How can you negotiate with radical barbaric terrorist group that subject it's ethnic religious and gender minorities to brutal torture and murder. How can you negotiate with democratic for cystic regime. That is responsible for thousands of american lives. I mean honestly gonna ask nicely are gonna get on your knees and begged them to treat the afghanistan woman fairly. I mean i don't understand why biden continues to believe that's diplomacy instead of for actually using military forces is the correct way to go and this brings us back to. What was this for honestly at the end of the day with withdrawn. Us military forces from afghanistan he effectively reversed two decades of foreign policy and the initial mission of counter terrorism and preventing a staging ground for al-qaeda according to the pentagon united states government has been eighty three billion dollars in bolstering the afghanistan government and which is effectively gone to waste. I mean we spend easily billion dollars to bolster an afghan military but the afghan military is so reliance on the american forces to to help them to secure them. But when the american forces are removed from the afghan military to aid them than the billion dollar investment goes down the drain and now according to you defense and state department officials six billion dollars in military equipment including eight hundred fifty mine-resistant ambushed protected vehicles were abandoned in withdrawal which six billion dollars in. Us military equipment is now in the hands of taliban and other terrorist organizations additionally chairman of the joint chiefs of staff mark milley addressed congressional leaders and said that they will move the terrorist threats in afghanistan from medium according to axios which meant that. Obviously you're going to see a rise in terrorism and afghanistan and now that the taliban effectively controls its governments and to add insult injury the inside reports that taliban militants released thousands of prisoners from afghan prisons with links to islamic jihadist groups and al qaeda. So what has changed in the past two decades. We've tried to counter terrorism. We tried to decrease the the influence of kind of effectively imprisoning or killing al qaeda militants. We tried to decrease the the power of the taliban and we tried to effectively counteract attacks by the islamic jihadist groups. But it seems to me after this withdrawal after the dust settled what is going to be. The state of afghanistan will be similar to the state of afghanistan when we first invaded and his brings me to a new york times article which discussed heavier mackey. Who was a former first class army. Special forces soldier with several afghanistan deployments and will shot twice and he said in an interview with the new york times quote. I sacrificed a lot. I saw death every day every year. And the guys. I soaked with new would probably come to an end like this. But the chaos and made his andre after everything we gave. I just wish that had been away to leave. With honor and quote for people like mackey. There is a question that rang in numerous veterans. What was it for the situation. Afghanistan has become similar to america. I evaded two decades ago. All the bloodshed in lives lost in pursuit of counter-terrorism only define the terrorism revitalize. This president has trade the continuing efforts of veterans and committed a damaging dereliction of duty as commander in chief of the armed forces is devastating. What is happening in afghanistan and we can only hope citizens in afghanistan. Remain safe in this critical juncture. All right before we signed off. I like to extend a special. Thank you to my uncle. Who has made this podcast possible and untitled one of my greatest supporters okay. Today's episode the spokane podcast. You could read articles on a variety of important topics at outspoken opa dot com and follow us on instagram twitter facebook and linked in. Also if you'd like to show want to support it. Please go vis a five star review on apple podcasts and listened to our other episodes wherever you hear your podcasts. I'm thinking in. This is the outspoken oba. The outspoken oboe. Podcast is hosted by ethan kim directed by luc him and added by actually awesome the podcast independent production by the elbow from above. 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Thousands Flee Another Lost American War
"Years after countless deaths and $2 trillion in spending, Afghanistan is back in the hands of the Taliban. Many people are remembering the fall of Saigon in 1975, but this week's rapid fall of Kabul has brought its own unforgettable images now seared into our memories. Okay. There was this girl. Yeah, you know that thousands of Afghans flooding into the Kabul airport desperate to flee. Gut wrenching scenes of crowds of people running alongside and clinging onto an American military plane as he gathered speed across the runway and that video that went viral of bodies falling off the plane and plummeting through the air seconds after it took off. This is how it ended. Mission in Afghanistan was never supposed to been nation building. It was never supposed to be created. A unified centralized democracy are only vital national interest in Afghanistan remains today. What has always been Preventing and a terrorist attack on American homeland. But when President George W. Bush ordered the invasion of Afghanistan, where the Taliban had been harboring Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda had a very different vision about the U. S mission in America, not only fights for our security But we fight for the values we hold dear. We strongly reject The Taliban way. We strongly reject their brutality toward women and Children. He promised the US would defeat the Taliban and help rebuild a stable and peaceful country. American or allies. What? We'll do our part in the rebuilding of Afghanistan. We learned our lessons from the past. We will not leave until the mission. It's complete. Some Afghans took that promise to heart.
The Cost of the 20-Year War in Afghanistan
"Leaving afghanistan was the right call but it may haunt biden and the us forever by ian bremmer. Bremmer is a foreign affairs columnist and editor at large at time the last week saw the unceremonious end to the longest military adventure in american history. The botched withdrawal from afghanistan is the first major foreign policy crisis of the biden administration and surely the largest since nine eleven it is also largely self inflicted. The failure lies not in the decision to exit afghanistan. But in the way the us went about leaving indeed the decision to leave made initially by trump and ratified by biden remains strategically sound but as the tragic events of the past week of shown making the right decision as one thing carrying it out. Well is an entirely different story. It is a failure that could cost president biden and america more than they bargained for. Why was withdrawal. The right call biden inherited a broken peace process and the prospect of a renewed conflict with a strengthened taliban. If he reneged on trump's commitments this is not to say that his hands were inextricably tied he could have chosen to continue the fight however as the record shows and he expressed clearly in his address to the nation on august sixteenth biden himself has long believed that the us should draw down. Its presence in afghanistan for several reasons. He's right the mission. The american people were sold was accomplished. The war. that followed was unwinnable on october. Sixth two thousand one president bush issued an ultimatum to the taliban shutdown al qaeda's base of operations closing their training facilities and hand over osama bin laden. The taliban refused
Tracking America's Longest War
"Turn now to look at the roots of what's become america's longest war the. Us invaded afghanistan. October seven two thousand one less than a month after the al qaeda attacks on the world trade center and the pentagon within days of the us bombing of afghanistan. The taliban offered to hand over osama bin laden the al-qaeda leader but the bush administration rejected any negotiations with the taliban. This is bush's press secretary ari fleischer responding to a question and october. Two thousand one would use afford say was the taliban might say at this point may not make any difference in the or flooring whatever they may serve. The president made it any clearer two weeks ago when he said that there will be no discussions and negotiations. So what they say. It's not as important as what they do. And it's time for them to act. It's been time for them to act in december of two thousand one just a month or two later the taleban offered to surrender control of kandahar if its leader mullah. Muhammad omar would be allowed to quote live in dignity in opposition custody u. s. defense secretary. Donald rumsfeld rejected the offer. If you're asking would would an arrangement with omar where he could quote live in dignity in the kandahar area or some place in afghanistan. Be consistent with what i have said. The answer is no would be consistent with what i have said. That's donald rumsfeld speaking december. Sixth two thousand one the us. Warren afghanistan would continue for almost twenty more years through two now.
"bin laden" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Here's dave when navy seals shot osama bin laden in that two thousand eleven raid in pakistan to confirm his identity that compared his face to one in photos they were carrying and they noticed a discrepancy. The osama in the photos had a greybeard the beard on the man before them was jet black the reason bin laden had been using just for men hair dye. That's one of the details. You'll find a new book about bin laden by our guest. Peter bergen as we approach the twentieth anniversary of the september eleventh attacks. Bergen is publishing a biography of the founder of al qaida. Bergen has spent much of his career reporting on al qaeda in the global jihadist movement in nineteen ninety seven. He travelled to afghanistan for cnn to produce the first television interview of bin laden. He's published six previous books including several about al qaeda and he was the only journalist to get inside bin. Laden's compound after the us raid before it was demolished. His new book is based in part on material seized in the raid on on hundreds of interviews including conversations with a dozen of bin laden's inner circle. Bergen writes in the new book that he wanted to understand why bin laden created an organization dedicated to the mass murder of civilians. Peter bergen is still a national security analyst for cnn. He's also vice president for global studies fouls at the think tank new america. And he's a professor at arizona state university where he co directs the center on the future of war. His new book is the rise and fall of osama bin laden. Will peter bergen. Welcome back to fresh air. You've written so much about osama bin laden. What kind of new source material were you able to draw on this new research. Well a key tool this was it was only in late. Two thousand seventeen. The trump administration released the four hundred. Seventy thousand files were about about pakistan included in which was Something that was described by the cia. As bin laden's journal it turned out to be something slightly different It's also handwritten in arabic. It was the kind of a family journal that the bin laden family kept essentially in the law. Several weeks of bin laden's life and it's kind of good window into you know both what he was thinking of the time and also what. His two older wives were thinking and his and his adult children because they basically were kind of perplexed about what to do about the events of the arab spring which bin laden well understood as the most important event you're in the middle east arguably in centuries was his own view of it And yet you know his ideas. His followers were were absent in in. At least the you know the first several months of the arab spring right yet. There's a lot of fascinating material here about those last months before the us raid in pakistan At this compound where bin laden was was hiding you know he was. I guess the most haunted man on earth at that point and he had a lot of people living with him. How many who were they. Well the total was twenty seven Sixteen of his own family and eleven yet two bodyguards and their families. So you know typically when we think of a fugitive we don't think of a fugitive taking Three wives and dozen kids and grandkids with them bin laden. You know one of the teams. The book has bin laden For his many vices and y'all the evil that he an indefinite destruction that he calls he was something of a family man and he wanted to have his family around him. And in fact the folks of the cia who really tracking bin laden do the best. You know the fact that he this mysterious group of people who are living in this compound Seemed to include many family members. You know for them. That was a towel that it might..
"bin laden" Discussed on Fresh Air
"So i mean he he had a bunch of delusions they started with kind of what the american reaction would be to nine eleven They continued with when he was on the wrong about you know. Basically he believed that al qaeda would be able to mountain other attack on the united states. He was very hopeful about this and You know he seemed not to understand that. Al qaeda basically being largely decimated in the media off nine eleven. I quote one of his longtime associates in the book. Who says that. All the one thousand nine hundred arab fighters who are living in afghanistan. A time of nine eleven sixteen sixteen hundred of them were killed or captured in the immediate often. Off the nine eleven attacks there was other people in al-qaeda understand understood that the nine eleven attacks had been sort of account makasi mission for al-qaeda and bin laden was telling them you need you need to kill president barack obama will kill general david portrayals or don't although vice them vice president joe biden because he's not prepared to be president but he was sort of inciting them to do these attacks and who's going to do that I quote john. James clapper who was the director of national intelligence. The time of bin laden's death who said you know. He reminded me a little bit of hitler. You're moving around these divisions at the end of two didn't exist. There's little view. That's i guess somewhat widely held that the pakistanis must have known where bin laden was and must have been hiding him or assisting in deciding. We're turning a blind eye would is your research. Say i mean it's hard to prove negatives but as far as i can tell this is simply no evidence for for for that view bin laden was hiding from people on the were living with him. On the compound. He was extremely paranoid. There was no reason for him to inform somebody in the pakistani government about where he was in fact. Al-qaeda took a very hostile view of the pakistani government Planning military operations against pakistani targets bin laden in the four hundred seventy thousand files that have been released publicly from about about There is simply no evidence that bin laden was being protected by pakistani officials was in communication with pakistani officials That pakistani officials knew where he was So the reason. I think this view Arises is you know he was living relative close close to the pakistan's equivalent of west point and so people sort of say well the pakistani must've known but in fact they were befuddled by The fact that he was living in about a bodice as anybody else and in fact the united states was listening. In on pakistani communications the night of bin laden was died and pakistani leaders. Were clearly kind of sort of finding the situation very strange and didn't understand what was going on. So there's no evidence that bin laden was being protected by pakistani officials. it's a widespread view But that doesn't mean it's true. We need to take a break here. Let me reintroduce you again. We are speaking with peter. Bergen he's an author and journalist who spent years studying al-qaeda and other jihadist movements. His new book is a biography of bin laden. It's called the rise and fall of osama bin laden..
"bin laden" Discussed on Fresh Air
"So bin laden was hiding from people on his own compound. These two guys that were working there are sometimes described as bodyguards. They were really much more than that. Right yeah i mean you know. Bin laden didn't treat them particularly well. One of the interesting things that comes out of these documents is how how angry. They were about You know basically. They were being paid one hundred dollars a month. In in currency bin laden always always been something of a miser and they were taking these an almost risks looking after the two worlds most wanted man and his family members and they were very concerned they were concerned that they would be found. They were telling bin laden. He couldn't bring additional family members into the compound. His third wife who'd been living under house arrest in iran showed up and bodyguards. Said they wouldn't go and pick her up and bring her into the compound in the end. She appeared I'd the compound against Sort of the the better judgement of the bodyguards and bin laden was at one point. She wrote a formal letter. Two bodyguards on january fifteenth. Two thousand eleven few months before he was killed. Saying you know. I understand that. Our disagreements become so profound that even though you live on the same compound. I'm writing you this letter to kind of acknowledge what we've agreed which is You know let me find new protectors and of course bin laden would also have to leave the this. This compound that he so catholic planned with it's eighteen foot walls places to go somewhere else because the the compound itself was registered in a in one of the bodyguards name so his relations with with the two people who are really keeping al qaeda On him afloat Really beginning to fray in the last several months of his life. You would think someone who you relied so so many ways on to keep you safe. You might pay a little better and treat a little better. I mean the compound was registered in their names right ed. They burned their own trash there right. They grew a lot of their own food. Anybody ever leave. What did the kids go to school. The kids were home schooled. Do you know one of the kind of interesting things about the book is the extent to which bin laden's two older wives pillay such an important role in his life because two of them have phd's Which i think might be surprising to some to some listeners who may sort of assume that bin laden was not going to marry kind of highly educated women One had a phd in child psychology and other one to gain koranic grammar and so they were the two older wives. Were homeschooling kids. And they've been doing this for years even before but before nine. Eleven bin laden like afghantistan bin laden was sending his kids to school before nine eleven And these wives were also playing an important part in kind of helping bin laden. Think through complicated. Strategic problems related to kind of the future direction of kaieda. There was no internet access. There is that right. I mean could watch television. Listen to the radio. They could watch Aljazeera on satellite. Tv and bin laden washed a lot of out zero. Because of course he was kind of a news junkie..
"bin laden" Discussed on Fresh Air
"In today for terry gross. When navy seals shot osama bin laden in that two thousand and eleven rate in pakistan to confirm his identity that compared his face to one in photos they were carrying and they noticed a discrepancy. The osama in the photos had a gray beard. The beard on the man before them was jet black. The reason bin laden had been using just for men hair dye. That's one of the details. You'll find in a new book about bin laden by our guest. Peter bergen as we approach the twentieth anniversary of the september eleventh attacks. Bergen is publishing a biography of the founder of al qaeda. Bergen has spent much of his career reporting on al qaeda in the global jihadist movement. In one thousand nine hundred seven. He travelled to afghanistan for cnn to produce the first television interview of bin laden. He's published six previous books including several about qaeda and he was the only journalist to get inside bin. Laden's compound after the us raid before it was demolished. His new book is based in part on material seized in the raid and on hundreds of interviews including conversations with a dozen of bin. Laden's inner circle. Bergen writes in the new book that he wanted to understand why bin laden created an organization dedicated to the mass murder of civilians. Peter bergen is still a national security analyst for cnn. he's also vice president for global studies and fellows at the think tank new america and he's a professor at arizona state university where he co directs the center on the future of war. His new book is the rise and fall of osama bin laden peter. Bergen welcome back to fresh air. You've written so much about osama bin laden. What kind of new source material were you able to draw on this new research. Well key to all this was it was only in late. Twenty seventeen that the trump administration released four hundred. Seventy thousand files were recovered in about about pakistan included in which was Something that was described by the cia is bin laden's journal turn out to be something slightly different It's also handwritten in arabic. It was the kind of a family journal that the bin laden family kept essentially in the last several weeks of bin laden's life and it's kind of good window into you know both what he was thinking of the time And also what his two older wives thinking and his and his adult children because they basically were kind of perplexed about what to do about the events of the arab spring which bin laden well understood as the most important event You're in the middle east doggedly. In centuries was his own view it And yet you know his ideas. His followers were were absent in. At least the you know the first several months of the arab spring right yet. There's a lot of fascinating material here about those last months before the us raid in pakistan At this compound where bin laden was was hiding you know he was. I guess the most haunted man on earth at that point and he had a lot of people living with them. How many who were they. Well the total was twenty seven. Sixteen of his own family eleven two bodyguards and their families so you know typically when we think of fugitive we don't think of a fugitive taking Three wives and a dozen kids and grandkids with them But bin laden you know one of the themes of the book has bin laden For all his many vices and all the evil that he an indefinite destruction that he calls..
"bin laden" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"April came into view when he made the decision to kind of green light but bin laden raid. I think part of his we know from his memoirs and from my disgusted with with others. Who are part of this process. There was a concern that he would bin laden would leave now. They didn't know that actually bin laden had agreed with his bodyguards that he could leave as l. He could separate as early july twenty eleven. But we know this from the documents were covered in about about. So where would he have gone his team at found a thirty five year. Old pakistani local guy with some kids who'd had some experience buying selling properties he wasn't necessarily pot of qaeda But they don't they don't profit one person who might be substitute protector. And then where would he have gone knows you know presumably. He had some cash that he would have been able to find place somewhere in northern pakistan But but president obama's decision to kind of pull the trigger on the bin laden raid authorizing. It turns out to be all the better decision because we now know that bin laden was really he could have separated from his body causes early of july. Two thousand eleven which would meant that. He would have had to find some of the hiding place going back before that. There were rumors for years of bin laden. Finding a way to get to places as far-flung as yemen his family's ancestral home in the hunter amount or to the southern philippines where al-qaeda had supported the islamic insurgency and jihad operations. There did you find anything in all of these recently released documents. That bin laden was seriously exploring any of those options or was he really wed to staying in northern pakistan or just across the border in afghanistan. He was really wet to staying about part of the world after we spent much of his adult life in pakistan afghanistan..
"bin laden" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Document says the extent which bin laden was freaking out about the drone program. Whatever you think about the drone program and sunny. The civilian casualties particularly the beginning of the program. It was basically destroying his middle management and many of his leaders. He was you know thinking about moving al qaeda while the pots of pakistan Much kinda was headquartered in tribal areas between pakistan afganistan at the time and the non was noodling with the idea of moving them deeper into pack. Sano back into afghanistan other members of al-qaeda would telling him yeah. We're thinking the same thing. So the drones were not very much his mind one of his sons Saab bin laden had been killed by ci drone in two thousand nine. He was very concerned that might be the fate of other of his sons who are in the tribal regions He was constantly advising them not to travel except on cloudy days when the drones had less visibility so that i think that's point one point two. He was extremely concerned about al-qaeda's record of killing muslim civilians. When i say qaeda the al qaeda and and also at lied groups pakistani taliban the documents so full of examples of bin laden one of his deputies chastising al qaeda affiliates all al qaeda allies like the pakistani taliban about killing muslims and in fact as the tenth on advisory of nine eleven came into view. Bin laden was thinking of issuing an apology to It was sort of basically rebranding al qaeda as a group that would not kill civilians. Awful the stated goal of al qaeda was to protect muslim civilians. And so you know. Tens of thousands of civilians have been killed by al-qaeda at its affiliates in the muslim world in iraq and pakistan elsewhere. I think that was really way on his mind. But the big thing. I would say in the last months and weeks of his life and this comes out of the bin laden family john that was released at the end of twenty seventeen two hundred twenty eight pages of handwritten arabic Which is kind of difficult to interpret which i think has received enough attention from scholars and researchers but this was an almost daily recording of the discussions between bin laden and his two older wives both of them have phd's and also his adult children two daughters and one son who basically would gather before dinner every night and sometimes In compensation that would continue often Try and figure out what the hell to say about the arab spring after will bin laden's goal was.
"bin laden" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Goodbye it sure is hello. It's fascinating how much al-qaida the organization is a reflection in some ways of bin laden's personality and experiences growing up. It's a big surprise for many to learn that al-qaeda was highly bureaucratic organization. Why did this make sense. Given bin laden's previous experiences bin laden studied business administration at university. He started working in his family business when he was in his late teens. Young when when he was still in high school. And i believe is he came out of this business background. He'd worked in his family business and he bought some of that kind of experience to to al-qaeda wished did operate in a very bureaucratic manner. You know it kept pretty decent records which is one of the reasons we can have this conversation with some degree of certainty. You know people how to fill out rather elaborate application forms to join al qaeda. So that i think it's not simple terrorist groups to get things dominate have to organize themselves a conscious be Something that's sort of totally ad hoc and al qaeda i think is a good example of pretty bureaucratic terrorist group. We've learned a lot. Just in the last few years from that huge trove of documents and other files released after the most interesting perhaps is how bin laden was still managing. Some might say micromanaging relationships with affiliates from the time after nine eleven in the initial hunt for bin laden up into the raid in about abbad. Talk a little bit about that bin. Laden's management style and even how he was sometimes quirky and even bizarre with his commands out to various followers and affiliates. Bin laden sunday was he was trying to micromanage an organization that.
"bin laden" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Learned from the four hundred. seventy thousand some files and his interviews. The made him change his mind about a few things regarding al-qaeda and osama bin laden. It's the law fair. Podcast august fourth. Peter bergen reassessing osama bin laden. Peter it is a pleasure to have you back on the law fair. Podcast i have to ask you to start off. Here you've written about bin laden extensively holy warring is one of the most read books on bin laden if not the most red book. So why this full cradle-to-grave biography and why now. Yeah good question. i you know. Part of it was prompted by. I teach students at arizona state and i realized that a lot of them even bone on nine eleven for them. Nine eleven is assistant an event as the korean war is for myself or other people of my generation. One of the bright student sauce me. You know what's the difference between al qaeda and the taliban and i was like well. You know this quite a lot to unpack there then. I also realized people who are volunteering for the us military today. one bono. Nine eleven. I though you know babies when nine eleven happened so that was one element. The second element was it was only in december in late thousand seventeen that the trump administration released in full four hundred seventy thousand files that were found at.
"bin laden" Discussed on Rob Talk Podcast
"Make sure you're subscribe wherever you're listening watching. Hope you're having a wonderful Sunday let's get informed. The, first thing we have to talk about today is trump's most recent endorsement. nor Bin Laden niece of nine eleven mastermind Osama bin. Laden has endorsed president trump for reelection saying her first ever interview with the new. York Post she thinks if Joe Biden is reelected, there will be another nine eleven type event citing nothing of value to back the statement. Miss Bin Laden says that she's always been quote unquote American by heart despite the fact that she lives in Switzerland. She's claims she's been a trump supporter since two thousand fifteen admires trump's resolve and says, western, civilization will fall apart if trump loses continuing quote. You, look at all the terrorist attacks that have happened in Europe. Over the past nineteen years they have completely shaken us to the core radical Islam has completely infiltrated our society and the US. It's very worrying that the left has aligned itself completely with the people who share that ideology and quote. This bonkers. The left in the United States has not align itself with people who support radical Islam. Apparently, missed bin Laden. Also says she is an avid consumer of conservative Fox News Host Tucker Carlson. Miss Bin Laden was right about something though she called the upcoming election, the most important inner generation. It is the most important because if we don't elect Joe Biden, we're going to continue destroying norms that are institutions rely on to function. We're going to continue to destroy the economy and continue to reverse climate change efforts in this country. At this point I'm curious. Are there any other horrible historical figures who have family members that want to come out and endorsed trump? Colleges across the nation are struggling with how to deal with the coronavirus pandemic. Many campuses are raging with outbreaks right now let's examine a few. Bloomberg says at Iowa State University in Ames the positivity rate during the first week of clauses which started August seventeenth was thirteen point six percent. And the second week, it shot to twenty eight point eight percent. This is on a campus of more than thirty one, thousand students. Then, the University of Alabama they have over twelve hundred positive cases on their thirty eight thousand, five, hundred student body campus the University of South, Carolina's positive test rate past twenty-seven percent. Many administrators and officials are blaming partying. Robert Jones Chancellor of the University of Illinois at urbana-champaign says quote. The irresponsible downright dangerous actions of a small number of our students have created the very real possibility of ending in-person semester end quote. So like Jones says, they may have to end all in person classes. Politico says, colleges have a few options here. If the numbers don't die down one forge ahead with in person instruction to send kids home with Zoom Syllabus and risk spreading the virus three shelter students in place noting particularly how damaging riding out of hand damn alone as a college student could be. President trump has, of course, demanded that colleges reopened because it makes them look good if there's a semblance of normalcy in the nation, which is also why he's been fighting so hard to get football seasons back but concerning the plans of universities, it's important to note how much more complicated this is made by the fact that each university has its own plan for what to do. There have been next to no governmental guidelines just to demand from trump to keep moving the director of the pandemic resorts and Response Initiative at Columbia University said quote. I don't think that there are two universities that have the same protocol. It's national chaos and quote this is all worsened by the fact that colleges are hotbeds for super spider events that is to say infected people shaw two parties. In fact, others in the Virus Moves Vialli outwards from their potentially having students sent home to their parents or grandparents who they can infect nasty scenario all around and none of the option schools have right now are particularly appealing. James Lawler, who's a global health expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center saying quote. I think school transmission is going to be driving hot spots for the next couple of months and a lot of places. It's a catch, twenty, two and quote. About. Twenty percent of colleges are open exclusively or primarily in person while one third are strictly online. So that leaves the rest as a hybrid mixture of online and in person instruction I don't think there's an easy answer to this problem here. The easy answer would have been for us to have a two-month shutdown instead of a one month shutdown and reopened when we had twenty thousand new cases per day, the government has failed US especially at the highest levels. Let me know what you think colleges in university should do I'm on twitter and Instagram at rob four show. German chancellor. Angela. Merkel. Says Russia poisoned Russian opposition leader Alexia volley in a statement, the German government said that Soviet era nerve agent Nova Chalk had been used to poison him. Nevada only as a politician and corruption investigator and one of Vladimir Putin's harshest critics reportedly Nevada was drinking a cup of tea in an airport and then fell ill on a flight back to Russia from Siberia. On August twentieth he was then taken to a hospital in the Siberian city of Osc after an emergency landing. Two days later he was transferred to a hospital in Berlin Germany where doctor said he had been poisoned then last week a statement from Angela. Merkel showed that there was now quote unquote proof without doubt of a chemical nerve agent from the Nova Group. This Novacek, poison was used back in two thousand eighteen in England to poison former Russian spy Sergei scruple and his daughter Russia vehemently denied then and they're denying this latest poisoning. Germany demanded a response from Russia on Wednesday. The Kremlin said they weren't yet informed of Navan poisoning. The German government said that they would inform its partners in the European Union and NATO about the test results Navan is still in critical condition and the road to recovery may be long as doctors don't know how long has recovery will be from the severe poisoning currently, he's still in a medically induced coma president trump issued his first public comments Friday by saying quote. So I don't know exactly what happened I think that it is tragic. It is terrible. It should not happen. We have not had any proof yet, but we will take a look I would be very angry if that is the case and quote. Trump's comments come despite a German military live confirming the presence of a Novacek poisoning. Alexia Navales longtime ally and strategist. Leonid Volkov said in a tweet that featured a photo of Putin's name in a signature next to quote. To Poison Navan with Nova Chalk in two thousand, twenty would be exactly the same as leaving an autograph at a crime scene like this one and quote. The German government is now struggling with how to hit back at Vitamin Putin over this poisoning. Boats daring trump support parade on Lake Travis in Texas. On Saturday the Travis County Sheriff's Office tweeted out tesol responded to multiple calls involving boats in distress during the trump parade on lake travis several boats did sink Lake Travis is outside of Austin Texas and the Austin Travis County Ems said that they had not been involved in any of the incidents that took place on the lake. I'm glad that everyone seems to be okay after these incidents let's hope that this is a metaphor for the election. This year trump goes down and everyone is okay. Bloomberg is reporting that as many as one, hundred, thirty, two, million more people than previously projected could go hungry this year twenty, twenty s gain of new hungry people may be more than triple, any increase.
"bin laden" Discussed on KTRH
"Bin Laden, and so I- predicted that in that time that I didn't predict the exact date of September eleventh. I had a place between August of two thousand and one and June of two thousand and two now we had several other terrorist attacks during that time. If you recall they had this powder that was in everybody's mailboxes and anthrax. Yeah. The anthrax. I mean, never a bunch of things that went on during that time that said that paradigm that I felt it was going to be an attack on us. And it's interesting that no one was paying attention to the signal. Gary Hart to had been put in charge of terrorist investigation by the previous Clinton administration was appearing on TV shows and saying that all of our indicators cellphone things were intercepted. We're about to get attacked and no one listened to it. I remember seeing him on several shows. He was France. And no one listened. And maybe they maybe they knew Linda, they just didn't want to do anything about it. That's always a possibility because things have changed since that horrible tragedy. Yes. He gave a certainly an excuse to go in and get into involved in the war in Iraq. What about the earthquake in Sioux NAMI that hit Fukushima? What did you see their predicted that I saw a set of circumstances with Pluto opposing certain significant planets in the chart of Japan. And and I also saw that there was urine s Neptune combinations at critical degrees happening all at the same time. So I predict it there was probably going to be a major earthquake and Hsu NAMI that would hit Japan. And in fact, I had predicted it on your show, and you called me jump happen. Absolutely. Yes. That without well that was something when you do this. I mean, do you meditate what what do you do to get into this mode? I again, look at planetary pictures and say, you know, when this type of thing happened before what happened and I look back into the past. And Secondly, I look at the charts the s every nation has an astrological chart. Instead fact because nations are so old and changed government. So many times they sometimes have a multiple of astrological chart, but I usually pick the latest one the most modern charts. And then I look and see what planets are going through there. And I think again that Japan is in trouble again between February and March of this year. All right. Let's go to the calls. I'm going to give you the date. I Linda to give me a jump start here. And then I'll love mentioned who they are. And where they're from. So we will start by going to. August eighth nineteen seventy seven August eighth nineteen seventy seven we're going to Caroline in Baltimore, Maryland. Welcome to the program. Hi, carolyn. George. I can't believe I'm on with you. You are happy new year you too. Old friends. Well, we sure are that's the that's what the show is you to. Okay. We've got her. Yes, you do. So do you want to ask you question? Are you going to go right into Atlanta? No, no, sir. I am handing it over to the pro. Okay. Now, what is your name again? Caroline Caroline with this birthdate. No wonder you're friends with George. Yard you're eleo with Gemini moon and Mars, and you're very and Jupiter. You're very outgoing. You're good at communications. And no matter. What field you're in? You have a good heart with Venus and cancer family is important to you. But if you're an interesting combination, a very caring and loyal to family and friends and at the same time almost ruthlessly independent. Yeah. Give me liberty. Or give me death is Patrick Henry. Now, what is it that you would like to ask me at at this point? Well, golly, I guess I'm just looking forward to two thousand nineteen and wondering what it might bring me, you know, it's general. Well, I'm optimistic for you. Because what you have in Virgo very precise Saturn is training your mercury. And as a matter of fact, that's coming up this month. So with the planet Jupiter in such terrace, which is going to be training. Your son January is very important. Some opportunities are coming up for you. There may be an improvement in your job, and there may with Saturn and Sagittarius you may be doing some more travelling during this time super good luck. Caroline hope. Everything works out for you in two thousand nineteen. Still strange to write two thousand nineteen it takes you a takes a while to do that. I don't know how we ever got here. Sure. I'm gonna write checks two thousand eighteen and they'll send them back to me. Right. That's not a bad scammed by some time. Right. Good idea. Yeah. Mm date on it. Let's go next one is July ninth nine hundred ninety one seven nine ninety one. We're going to Brandon July ninth nineteen ninety one. And we're going to Brandon in Hillsborough, North Dakota high. Brandon welcome to the program. Right. Good to have you with us. Go ahead, Linda. Okay. Venus Mars in Leo Brandon.