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"billy graham center" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

The Charlie Kirk Show

04:58 min | 4 months ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

"Charlie. Let's play cut 34, which was the video that kind of prompted this interview. Play cut 34, please. The federal government used evangelical leaders to spread COVID propaganda. But Collins and Fauci didn't just rely on the mainstream media to get their messages out to the public. There's also evidence that Collins specifically tapped into his friendships with numerous high profile pastors and church leaders to further spread the government's COVID narratives. These weren't just messages about getting vaccinated, but also arguing for government vaccine mandates. Collins also used the platforms of his church leader friends to urge pastors to teach their congregations that if they wanted to obey Jesus command to love their neighbors, then they must comply with government mandates on keeping church's closed and businesses closed and keeping children masked. So what do these pastors say now, Megan, when you ask them about their alliance with these secular pro trans pro fetus fetal tissue cell lockdown government officials? Well, you know, I wish I could tell you that they're saying anything. I can't get a response from any of them. You know, I had a scheduled interview with Francis Collins himself and he canceled on me when he was running about 15 minutes late, you know, past the time of our interview. I then reached out to the NIH and spoke with some of their representatives continuing to try to get an interview with him, no luck saying thing with Russell Moore. I reached out to him multiple times. There's always some scheduling conflict. I actually ran into a minute airport and being an Intrepid journalist. I was standing right in line behind him when we were on the same flight. And I said, excuse me, doctor Moore. What a coincidence. Megan basham with the daily wire. Can I ask you about your relationship with Francis Collins? And he said, no, no, no, I can't talk about that. Call my office, which of course I did, of course, and once again, he had scheduling conflicts and could not speak to me. And you know, Charlie, a really important point I wanted to make, particularly about more, was that all of these people presented Francis Collins along with being a Christian brother, they presented him as politically neutral. So he put himself out there is look, I am not a political guy. I am a scientist. I am a doctor. I'm just here representing the national Institutes of health. This is not about partisanship. Well, in that leaked audio that came out of the University of Chicago event in David axelrod's institute of politics where he did not know he was being recorded. He and more land based did white evangelicals. So they talked about white evangelicals voting for Trump. He specifically said that the white evangelicals who voted for Trump made a devil's bargain. And he blamed former president Trump for hundreds of thousands of COVID deaths, which is, frankly, ridiculous from a scientific point of view because under Trump, we had much fewer COVID deaths than we have had under Biden. And he had a better record and he wasn't benefiting from the already in place vaccine and policies that the Trump administration had put in place. So all of this notion that he was this non political actor. It was just blown out of the water with this leaked audio. It became very clear that he's a person and it became very clear that Russell Moore is also a partisan and that was also probably a motivating factor for what they were out there doing in furthering the Biden administration in particular's COVID narratives. Let's play cut 35, please continues from your video. Click on 35. The names of the pastors and organizations who held Collins out as the authoritative voice Christian should listen to during the pandemic are some of the most well-known in American Protestant circles. Christianity today magazine, the Billy Graham center, missions expert Ed stetzer, the gospel coalition, pastor Timothy Keller, theologian NT right, the ethics and religious liberty center. Russell Moore. All of them were telling lay Christians in the pews that they should rely on Collins for COVID advice. Incredible hard to believe that there's not money behind that. Well, especially when you consider that Collins scientific advice was not very good. Either. As short as short a period of time as September, he was arguing that children still need to be masked. Now, we know that that is ridiculous. We now know that clock masks don't have much of an effect. And, you know, just even until just a few months ago, he was holding up a cloth mask saying, this is a lifesaving device. Well, that's something that even the CDC has backed away from. At that University of Chicago event in October, he was saying that we need to mandate vaccines with the threat of job loss. I mean, he was very clear like he thinks it is fine for people to be fired and lose their jobs for refusing to take the vaccine. And his reasoning was so that they don't spread the virus. Well, that is also scientifically.

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"billy graham center" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

The Charlie Kirk Show

07:37 min | 4 months ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

"Go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running The White House folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job, building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, turning point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Brought to you by Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific mortgage for personalized loan services you can count on, go to Andrew and Todd dot com, the wonderful Andrew and Todd dot com. So let's dive into a very important story that's happening and then has happened, which is what who is controlling the American church. What if I told you that the federal government had infiltrated parts of American evangelical Christianity? Well, Megan basham from the daily wire has done some amazing investigative reporting on this and research Megan. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Thanks so much for having me, Charlie. So Megan, tell us you had an amazing video that I watched and I wanted to have you on the program. So build it out for us. How was the American church really infiltrated by left wing COVID narratives in the midst of the last two years? Well, you know, we've done a couple of extensive reports on this and they were all kind of condensed in that video. And it really started at the beginning of COVID when the federal government dispatched Frances Collins to he was the head of the NIH, the national Institutes of health, Anthony Fauci's boss, and he was dispatched to convince evangelicals to stop being resistant. And he's been very clear and on record on tape saying, I was sent to deal with evangelical resistance to lockdowns to mask mandates to vaccine mandates. So he went into churches. He had a lot of really strong relationships with what you might call the elite evangelical class, some very well-known pastors like Tim Keller, Rick Warren, and stetzer at the Billy Graham center at Wheaton college, Russell Moore, who was then head of the public policy arm of the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S., which is the Southern Baptist convention. So just a really influential people. And he drew on those friendships to do interviews, podcasts, where he was presented as the strong Christian brother. To come on and give advice on how and why to submit to all of these COVID rules. And when he presented these things, he didn't do it just from a medical point of view. He, along with these pastors, presented it as this is how you show your love for Jesus. This is how you obey the gospel. And that was really something that they didn't just say, look, we're presenting a scientific point of view. Here is one scientist you might want to listen to. They didn't present any counter points of view from the scientific community, but that they really punched it up with if you want to love your neighbor. If you want to obey Christ, this is how you do it. Was there any money exchanged from the federal government to these churches? So that's something that I'm still looking into because I can tell you that with the Billy Graham center at Wheaton college, they announced that they were specifically partnering with the CDC to launch a website called coronavirus and the church. And so that's something that I am still, I've got a foia request in and I'm looking into that because that was a very formal partnership that they were saying we are doing this with the NIH and the CDC. So was Francis Collins being transparent throughout all of this in his dealings with these church leaders. I suppose this kind of government church collusion, most Christians didn't really realize this was happening. No, I don't think most people did. And you know, that was really a big part of the issue was as he was presented on these platforms. He was called again and again. This is a strong Christian brother. This is a man who loves the lord, just like you. And that was kind of the main thrust of it. He's just like you. He's somebody who loves the lord who goes to church, who follows Jesus. Well, then you dig into Francis Collins record and none of this was presented by any of these Christian leaders. And you find out that under the under his leadership, the NIH funded record level fetal tissue research, meaning harvesting organs, harvesting tissue from aborted babies. Sometimes full term, sometimes past term. There has even been some reporting that I am still looking into experts, expert medical witnesses have said some of the harvesting that occurred had to have been done to still living infants. And on top of that, Francis Collins launched an initiative for sexual and gender minority research. So if you hear that term I mean, I don't know what that means. Well, what it means is he personally put his name, launched this initiative, said, I am an ally of the trans community, and one of the things he funded was research to give opposite sex hormones to children as young as 8 to give mastectomies to girls as young as 13. So that was the kind of research that Francis Collins was funding during his tenure at the NIH. And none of that was disclosed. Now, some of these leaders, I go to Timothy Keller, know about this. I don't know, but I know for sure that Russell Moore did because we obtained leaked audio from an event at the University of Chicago in October with Russell Moore and Francis Collins and at that event, Francis Collins again defended that type of research and Russell Moore said, well, you know, I don't know that I agree with it, but I can still respect him as a Christian brother. So it was very clear that Russell Moore knew and none of these leaders. None of these Christian leaders none of these pastors have answered any questions about what they knew when and why they platformed Francis Collins the way they did. And they certainly won't talk to me. Yeah, so we do know this was a formal NIH initiative. And we know that Francis Collins used government resources behind it. And just so everyone that's listening to understand that might not be in the Christian circles. Rick Warren, Timothy Keller, Ed stetzer. These are big deals in American Christianity. They have massive churches. They have significant followings. They get published in all of the kind of mainline Christian journals. Do you have suspicion or evidence that there was something beyond just the interviews that happened between Collins and Warren? Was there something deeper happening that reached more pastors that impacted the kind of middle level churches across the country? Well, you know, one of the things that Francis Cohen said in his interview with Warren and with some of these other pastors was that he really encouraged them to convince other pastors to convince the people to the people in the pews, convince them to sign on with these mandates, convince them to do what the government is asking them to do. And in all of these interviews, Warren, in particular, Keller also NT right. We're very disparaging of the pastor's like, say, John Macarthur in Los Angeles, who were resisting COVID mandates and lockdowns..

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Who Is Controlling the American Church?

The Charlie Kirk Show

02:36 min | 4 months ago

Who Is Controlling the American Church?

"Who is controlling the American church. What if I told you that the federal government had infiltrated parts of American evangelical Christianity? Well, Megan basham from the daily wire has done some amazing investigative reporting on this and research Megan. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Thanks so much for having me, Charlie. So Megan, tell us you had an amazing video that I watched and I wanted to have you on the program. So build it out for us. How was the American church really infiltrated by left wing COVID narratives in the midst of the last two years? Well, you know, we've done a couple of extensive reports on this and they were all kind of condensed in that video. And it really started at the beginning of COVID when the federal government dispatched Frances Collins to he was the head of the NIH, the national Institutes of health, Anthony Fauci's boss, and he was dispatched to convince evangelicals to stop being resistant. And he's been very clear and on record on tape saying, I was sent to deal with evangelical resistance to lockdowns to mask mandates to vaccine mandates. So he went into churches. He had a lot of really strong relationships with what you might call the elite evangelical class, some very well-known pastors like Tim Keller, Rick Warren, and stetzer at the Billy Graham center at Wheaton college, Russell Moore, who was then head of the public policy arm of the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S., which is the Southern Baptist convention. So just a really influential people. And he drew on those friendships to do interviews, podcasts, where he was presented as the strong Christian brother. To come on and give advice on how and why to submit to all of these COVID rules. And when he presented these things, he didn't do it just from a medical point of view. He, along with these pastors, presented it as this is how you show your love for Jesus. This is how you obey the gospel. And that was really something that they didn't just say, look, we're presenting a scientific point of view. Here is one scientist you might want to listen to. They didn't present any counter points of view from the scientific community, but that they really punched it up with if you want to love your neighbor. If you want to obey Christ, this is how you do it.

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"billy graham center" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

04:29 min | 6 months ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Use the promo code. Eric. Folks we're talking to Megan basham about some very disturbing things. She's written an article at daily wire called how the federal government used evangelical leaders to spread COVID propaganda to churches. Megan, what I find interesting is that after I wrote my book on bonhoff, and then advocated for the pro life GOP leader whom we know as Donald Trump, people said, Eric, don't you understand that the church has to be very careful about getting cozy with political leaders and on and on. And you know, telling me everything that not only do I know about it, but I've written books really where that's the subtext. But people seem only to get this in one direction. They don't see how often in the past the church have been big suckers for the left. And I'm not sure why that is, but that seems to be the case here when you have people somehow eagerly going along with things. They ought to be very wary, almost cynical of the approaches made to them. The overtures made to them by the federal government. We've seen it on both sides, but now of course we're seeing it from the left. Well, and maybe that was part of the most interesting element of the story. This wasn't much of an opinion piece. I editorialized a bit. It was sort of a longer form that allowed for that. But yeah, a lot of people went, is this not Christian nationalism? They are getting directly in bed with the federal government, have we not been told that every time the church gets involved with politics, gets in bed with politics, it makes a horrible baby. I think I've heard quotes like that from various pastors and how is this not that? And I go, I don't know, and this isn't just that. This is that in a very formal way that we didn't see on the other side. This was quite specifically going. We are launching the at the Billy Graham center our launching a website partnered with the CDC. So those were questions that we should have asked. I think that there should have been a lot of wisdom applied in a lot of pausing going before we launched something with the CDC and the NIH and a direct partnership with the federal government. Let's ask some questions. I mean, that's the most disturbing part of this for me is to have Billy Graham's name touching any of this. Certain times I have to say, I think it's a genuine mistake. It comes out of ignorance. I think Franklin Graham's advocacy for the vaccine is different from the advocacy of some others. I won't go into why, but I think that what's interesting to me, the subtext again is that over the decades, certain voices that we might have expected to speak out on certain issues, social issues, they've fallen silent. Rick Warren at the top of the list, people who have been in a way, I guess making peace with the left. I think their idea would be that we don't want to be political. We think being political is bad. So you can see where the thinking comes from. Tim Keller has practically made a career of preaching sermons in which he says, conservatives say this and liberals say this, but the gospel says this creating what can be a false equivalency and some drawing some false parallels. But you understand why it's just that circumstances have come to a place where it's more obvious. I guess that's how I see it. Right. And it's hard to get more politicized than a lot of this COVID policy where it came from who's been initiating these policies who has the power to keep you in your home and to keep you masked and to keep you vaccinated if you want to keep your job. So, you know, it's been interesting to go. It doesn't get much more political than that. And as far as being politicized, I'm pretty weary of that conversation because I go, look,.

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"billy graham center" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

07:42 min | 6 months ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Code. Eric. Folks we're talking to Megan basham about some very disturbing things. She's written an article a daily wire called how the federal government used evangelical leaders to spread COVID propaganda to churches. Megan, what I find interesting is that after I wrote my book on bonhoff, and then advocated for the pro life GOP leader whom we know as Donald Trump, people said, Eric, don't you understand that the church has to be very careful about getting cozy with political leaders and on and on. You know, telling me everything that not only do I know about it, but I've written books really where that's the subtext. But people seem only to get this in one direction. They don't see how often in the past the church have been big suckers for the left. And I'm not sure why that is, but that seems to be the case here when you have people somehow eagerly going along with things. They ought to be very wary, almost cynical of the approaches made to them. The overtures made to them by the federal government. We've seen it on both sides, but now of course we're seeing it from the left. Well, and maybe that was part of the most interesting element of the story. This wasn't much of an opinion piece. I editorialized a bit. It was sort of a longer form that allowed for that. But yeah, a lot of people went, is this not Christian nationalism? They are getting directly in bed with the federal governments, have we not been told that every time the church gets involved with politics, gets in bed with politics, it makes a horrible baby. I think I've heard quotes like that from various pastors and how is this not that? And I go, I don't know, and this isn't just that. This is that in a very formal way that we didn't see on the other side. This was quite specifically going. We are launching the at the Billy Graham center our launching a website partnered with the CDC. So those were questions that we should have asked. I think that there should have been a lot of wisdom applied in a lot of pausing going before we launched something with the CDC and the NIH and in direct partnership with the federal government. Let's ask some questions. I mean, that's the most disturbing part of this for me is to have Billy Graham's name touching any of this. Certain times I have to say, I think it's a genuine mistake. It comes out of ignorance. I think Franklin Graham's advocacy for the vaccine is different from the advocacy of some others. I won't go into why, but I think that what's interesting to me, the subtext again is that over the decades, certain voices that we might have expected to speak out on certain issues, social issues, they've fallen silent. Rick Warren at the top of the list, people who have been in a way, I guess making peace with the left. I think their idea would be that we don't want to be political. We think being political is bad. So you can see where the thinking comes from. Tim Keller has practically made a career of preaching sermons in which he says conservatives say this and liberals say this, but the gospel says this creating what can be a false equivalency and some drawing some false parallels. But you understand why it's just that circumstances have come to a place where it's more obvious. I guess that's how I see it. Right. And you know, it's hard to get more politicized than a lot of this COVID policy where it came from who's been initiating these policies who has the power to keep you in your home and to keep you masked and to keep you vaccinated if you want to keep your job. So, you know, it's been interesting to go, it doesn't get much more political than that. And as far as being politicized, I'm pretty weary of that conversation because I go look, let's just align with the Bible. And if people want to say that political then so be it, you know, that seems to be the new tag to say, well, you know, you're right wing or I'm not interested in that. If my values align with the Bible and you're calling that right wing, that's not my problem. Well, I mean, everywhere I go, I speak about this. The idea that being against slavery is the political thing. Being against the Nazis is a political thing. There's no way out of this. But the idea that there might be is satanic. It's a way to silence people of faith and what your article points out is that many people of faith have complied. They have gone along with this to the point where they've joined those sneering at people trying to make genuine statements based on their faith. They've been sneered at by some of the people that you're that you're writing about. Christianity today, I mean, they were never a bastion of right wing thinking, but they seem to have taken a strong leftward turn. I'm not sure what they have to say about any of this today since I can't read them anymore. Well, I was going to say, you know, two things that I'll just be very specific because that's what I do. That's what I did in the article that you know I think Christianity today needs to address two things, which is platforming Frances Collins in a webinar and calling him a champion. A man who believes in the sanctity of human life, that's one, and number two, either the article where at stetzer who was in an editor Christianity today, shamed other Christians for believing in conspiracy theories like the lab leak theory, that article just disappeared. There was no editor's note. There was no explanation. It just was taken off the website and you had to go to the wayback machine to find it where it was still archived. They've never addressed that. So I think as a journalistic institution, you need to explain, why did an article disappear with no editors no notification? That's not super ethical. Well, and let's face it, we're talking about complicity with an evil communist regime called China who have done things unspeakable things. Things I can barely reference on a program like this. They are the enemies of faith. They are openly wickedly atheistic. They crush dissent. They crush people of faith. So when you are working in a lab there or you are getting funding to do work in a lab in a place like that, if you call yourself a Christian, it strikes me that you are extremely culpable if you don't deal with it openly. And that's kind of what we have now and of course we have organs like Christianity today, that they seem not to feel that this is that there's any journalistic imperative in speaking about that. So we're living in very divided times, Megan, we need to have you back to continue the conversation, but I just want to say thank you for the work you've done, especially in this article and we'll have you.

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"billy graham center" Discussed on Guru Charitra

Guru Charitra

07:35 min | 11 months ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on Guru Charitra

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"billy graham center" Discussed on Exponential Podcast

Exponential Podcast

05:18 min | 1 year ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on Exponential Podcast

"We now do direct to the people right right nearby even right now. We're doing these videos so that was a chain. Stop even get a year so those those might be baked into the numbers as well. Okay super helpful. Give us a quick summary and they we're gonna go on talk with some of the pastoral leadership issues as well quick summary of what you see in the data thus far yes so the big the biggest takeaway at least from my perspective is. There's been a massive change in attendance habits or patterns so we Like i said there was a sixty percent drop in in person attendance and that started to recover. Now we're praying that continues to recover at the same time. There's been major learnings in the church. The church really has learned how to provide online access to its congregations which something that hopefully will be retained but we are hoping for the majority of people to return in person and perhaps the most encouraging thing is that total engagement whether online or in person has turned around. It's now to over ninety percent of what it was prior to the pandemic. So we want to see that surpassed one hundred percent but it's not if if the original guests was down a permanent loss of twenty percent. We've seen better than that so far. So we might not see those realities comeback. I do think people have engaged and disengaged different levels. I have a forthcoming article. Talking about how. You're the front. Rows of the church are more engaged. Not less the middle rows of the church probably the same but it goes back. Third are disengaged. I gotta tell you. People got tired of watching online. So there's and we'll talk about that in the days to come. There are some challenges. Can we re engage the less engaged to her. Now disengage because what happens is you can get focused on the still engaged to very excited. We're going to do this day. They rallied for the cause so tricky questions. Well let me say doctoral. Thank you for your passion for the church. Love working with Colleagues passionate about the church. I'm want to serve the church as well. So it's absolute pleasure. If roger can help the church in any way it is an absolute success. We've got more to go. We got more conversation with you as well. Let me introduce our next guest thing. Is andrew mcdonald. He's finished a phd in church. History tournament school. he is associate director of the gouge. Billy graham center research institute been part of this project all along. We're going to talk a little bit. He's actually coming to us. Live from the Bill graham center research library filled with evangelism and missions resources as well so we're so thankful to have him in our conversation today andrew before we go to the slides. It's not an easy time to be a pastor and it's not just the pandemic twenty twenty and two thousand twenty one. I'm of the belief that david brooks is right. We're going three wrote in the atlantic. Every sixty years america goes through a cultural convulsion..

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"billy graham center" Discussed on Exponential Podcast

Exponential Podcast

04:26 min | 1 year ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on Exponential Podcast

"Well and hello everybody. My name's ed stetzer and happy to be partnering with exponential as we do this webinar where actually going to be talking about the national covid nineteen church attendance project in c. c. a. p. because everything's on an acronym maybe yours as well. This is actually a research project. That's done in partnership with exponential with whom we are broadcasting today leadership network. Cds capital Outreach magazine graham center. We got Billy graham centers send institute wing called center for urban engagement and we gouge humanitarian and disaster institute. So you see some of the partners here on the screen. Rasul thankful for our partners in this project. Let me tell you a little bit. Why this matters and why this is important so One of the things that we do here. The billy graham center and we know that our partners in exponential and all the other ministries and organizations listed do is helped serve churches. We believe a visa. Three tenths has got us jobs in the church to make known his manifold wisdom in the world and certainly among those most hard hit during the pandemic had to be churches. now just because they're churches theaters are pretty hard hit to there's something in common with them. Large groups of people sitting together in confined spaces and so on. I had the privilege of actually before it was the government. Shutdown remember two weeks to stop the spread two weeks now two doses to stop the spread. But that's another story. I written article religion. News service kind calling churches to pause services before and i will tell you i was i was. It was not a great week of my house. But i think it was important for us to acknowledge the unique role. That large group gatherings could play well. Now we're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. If you're in the united states we do recognize that many of our viewers around the world. We welcome you. We also recognize situation. India situation in brazil since turkey is some places as dire and We recognize that. This is not going to be directly applicable to you but we're beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel particularly the us canada's a little different situation doesn't have a domestic source of vaccine manufacturing made a made a bad bet on on a on a vaccine didn't play out and so they're playing catch up but in much of the western world and again we recognize the inequities inherent in that much of the western world would beginning to see a light at the end of the proverbial tunnel so one of the things that our partners. And i just wanted to ask is well. Could we see how things are going. My phone pre regularly gets tex mex tex group of several pass for groups and it's we have what percentage are you back. What percentage are you back. We began to see patterns. We saw patterns that a large churches were differently. The small churches small churches ways doing better than large churches large churches in other ways. Doing better as well. Now we couldn't address every single issue in question here. For example we know from other research that african american churches are disproportionately. not meeting. right now probably goes many ways. The african american churches were hit harder at the beginning. And so what we wanted to ask you some helpful questions and so over a thousand churches were bonded to our survey a couple of things. It's not a random sample but it will be a repeating sample. The power is going to be in that repetition We're looking at a longitudinal approach. Let me explain quickly what that means i. We asked these churches to report to us where their tennis was in january. Twenty twenty member january twenty twenty. I miss january..

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"billy graham center" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

860AM The Answer

05:42 min | 1 year ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

"To eye. Very no good guy. Very no bad guy. There's only you nd a way. Just disagree. Welcome Back America. I'm Q Q. N. Disagreed. Yesterday with Ed Steps, sir. And a Compli Hey, is a dean at Wheaton College, runs the Billy Graham center there and has written a piece and U. S a today on What he believes has to be a so called reckoning within evangelicalism about President Trump. I talked to him at length yesterday, but it was only able to play minutes of it. And so I have devoted the first three segments of today's show to playing additional segments. All of it is available. If you do it dot com Here is the last segment that I will play for you of my conversation with Wheaton, Dean ed stature. This is where we disagree, I think, And this is why I'm uneasy with your article, the less so because of the caveats you included at the beginning then with Mr Galleys article, which I condemn wholeheartedly that was intended to and had the consequence of dividing the church. Yours does not have so obviously that intent. In fact, I don't think you have that intent. But the inevitability of that division is justice as inevitably divisive as President. Trump's speech was inevitably incendiary, though it did not necessarily have the consequence. He did not intend. The consequence that followed. Do you understand my objection? Say? Objection. I would say it's unfortunate confusion of categories. In my case. I think that what needs to happen is is that some people need to know that there are evangelicals who have major concerns and then Within evangelicalism without evangelicals need to have a public conversation. That's what the title is. There's a reckoning, we need to have a reckoning. What went wrong? What was our place and part? What do we need to change inside the movement? And what? I don't think they need change sides? I don't think the movie he'd say, Well, let's all now become liberal Democrats, right so So that's not what again in 1000 word article. I'm here's where I ended it. We've reached a reckoning. What comes next will reveal where our trust truly lies. That's what I'm looking for. I'm looking to call evangelicals. To a sense where character matters at a greater level, where, at the same time we get more focused. So much of evangelicals who has been focused on political power even more focus on showing in sharing the love of Jesus to have broken and hurting world That's our passion. The week in college, Billy Graham center. That's our passion In most of our churches, and for most churches and pastors, they think that the pursuit of power in this administration has caused some damage. Inside their congregations and inside relationships. I don't think it's divisive to point out the division on the Brokenness. That's there. I'm looking to work together to fix it. I think they're a lot of evangelicals who went to a swell. So did you concluded the article with Will we look inside and repent when needed? That's a good question to ask my question to you is Will you examine the editorial that you wrote at the time that you wrote it and consider whether or not it divided the church and incited anger among the body and repent, if indeed, it did. Always open to seeing what I could do, and I could do better. And I would say a similar question to you, my friend, Would you not acknowledge that there are significant difficulties and might I say significant faults within the evangelical church? Engaging and embracing this administration has brought to the light. And if so, consider joining me and speaking out and saying, How can we walk through this? Better to be a more gospel centered, biblically driven movement that I think God calls us to be? Yes, I will. But I do believe that as I have been throughout the Trump administration When someone parts with a political party of which they are remember, as, for example, on child separation at the border of the president's attacks on judges or his cruel tweets. They have to speak it in a timely fashion so that it be noted. Which I have always consistently gone, but that I've always tried to do that, without damage to the body by recognizing other people might disagree with me about the need, for example, even family separation, which I found to be perhaps the most indefensible of altering policies, But I can understand that some Christians believe the exigency of the circumstances of the border. Required it because of coyotes and people falsely being claimed his Children who were in fact being abused. I know the arguments. I'm always open to learning, but I don't want to divide the body. Because the world is against us right now, and this culture is going to crush us, Dean. Yes, I think we're coming up to a real reality check, And I think that's a reckoning. But I think ultimately we do need each other. But we don't need each other to not speak truth to one another. And I think you have a habit of speaking truth and you want to speak truth. I appreciate the fact that you caviar things just as I thought, the caviar things. I think the truth that I'm bringing forward is I think that we need to have a hard conversation. Why so many leaders were co opted Why so many evangelicals were well, again, quoting Chuck Colson in the article. Very few are more easily impressed in religious leaders when he was working for Nixon. His job was kind of persuade special interest groups again. Very few are more easily impressed. Then religious leaders the very people who should have been immune to the worldly pomp seem the most vulnerable If we can't say that to one another That there has been and needs to be a reckoning. And as this administration ends in tatters that that relates to evangelical witness and reputation, I don't think that's a realistic engagement of the current cultural moment. I think we need to acknowledge where we failed and then pull together for the sake of the Gospel. That's been my lifetime of ministry and this one articles calling up this moment that we're in tow. Hopefully get us back on the mission. We're on. Convene my last word to you. And I'll give you the final word..

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"billy graham center" Discussed on AM 970 The Answer

AM 970 The Answer

05:52 min | 1 year ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on AM 970 The Answer

"Welcome back America. It's Hugh Hewitt. I'm joined now by add stature at is the dean of Wheaton College and At Wheaton College. He also leads the Billy Graham Center. Dean steps, sir. Welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show. Thanks for having me on Toe. Let everyone know we don't have to rush because I arranged for Dean steps or to join me at the end of my show so that we could have a long conversation. It's an interview, not a debate. And even though the show will go off the conversation will go on. It will all be posted on YouTube. And on my website, Dean, Welcome your article In the U. S. A. Today evangelicals face a reckoning Donald Trump in the future of our faith. Was sent to me by another old friend with whom I have deep disagreements on politics, and he urged me to read it. I thought it was a new, interesting presentation of your position, so I I appreciate that has it sparked a lot of interest. But as it was, I guess the you know their top headline or most of the day on Sunday, and I think part of it from people who maybe don't like evangelicals, and then part of it from people or evangelicals like me. You're concerned about what evangelicalism has or is becoming So we share a common faith. Even though I'm an evangelical Roman Catholic Presbyterian, which is neither here nor there. I'll explain it another time. You know you're not supposed to be all those things at once. But I know it doesn't make me a Lutheran either. It just means I go to Mass on Saturday and I go to the Presbyterian Church on Sunday. Uh, that practice has been blessed both by bishops. And I'm an elder in the Presbyterian Church. Not really serving s O s. So I had what I wanna ask you at the beginning in the article, you write that evangelicals believe in the good news of the Gospel that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and in our place. Would you also add, and that he rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and is alive today. Indeed, I would. I believe that's central to the Christian faith that Jesus was dead on Friday and Sunday back from the dead and receiving in migration through faith gives us new and everlasting, eternal life. I thought you might like it was just excluded from the USA Today article and I thought to myself hey left out the punchline, But editors are editors. Um, is salvation exclusively reserved for those who put their faith in the resurrected Christ. I do believe it. Is that the salvation by grace alone through faith alone and then Jesus work alone, He said. I am the way the truth and the life No one comes to the father except through me. So I want people understand you're very mainstream is sexual intimacy outside of marriage Sinful. Let me say mainstream is probably not the term to describe a conservative Angela goes like me. But the answer your question is yes. We've got reserves sex for marriage between one man and one woman over one lifetime, And I would be a conservative evangelical. Yes. Okay. So when was the last Republican presidential candidate? You voted for I've okay. I don't generally reveal who I voted for. But I have been consistently pro life pro official marriage, pro religious liberty of deep religious liberty concerns now that unfortunately, I think President Trump's kind of erratic responsible last few weeks has led to the loss of the Senate. Now we're gonna face serious religious liberty concerns related to the quality act and Morva. But in general, I don't tell people who I voted for. Have you ever voted for a Republican president? Oh, my gosh. Yes. Okay. I just I just wanted people. I thought you were, uh more Republican than you were Democratic. And therefore I thought your credibility with my audience might increase their well. I would say it's very fair to say I believe that lower taxes are better for society. I believe, you know, I mean, I think they would very much lineup. Kind of as a pastor and religious leader. One of the things that you know I teach and preach the Bible regularly is I don't want people so I didn't vote for that person. So I can't listen to that person. But I think you and I listen to your show. I think you and I will be very aligned on most issues that and I do, too, by the way on by friend I'm aligned with on most theological issues. We just disagree on politics. That's why I wanted you to have a long set up and that's why I'm going to ask you again. This is for credibility with my audience and people who will go on. Listen to this. You already said that most evangelicals me included in your article are grateful for the Supreme Court justices. He appointed Trump and for some of the religious liberty concerns he addressed. His antiabortion stance is surprised me again a surprise many again, me included, and for that I was thankful. You noted that how important is the Supreme Court? Dean? I think it's I think it's very important. You know someone who's you know, talk about life. You know, I One of the defining factors of my vote has to do with life on unborn life in the womb and so deeply important, and I think, ultimately that coming out of Trump administration, I think in that article, I mentioned that a lot of burned burned down the Republican Party. There'll be consequences for Grabs decades to come on what has happened to the Republican Party and at the same time, I'm thankful for the three Supremes and actually say publicly and vocally supported All three Supreme Court justice picks that he that he selected and again lots of other things again. I think one of the challenges is you could be deeply concerned about what President Trump has done to the country. And in my case, too, evangelicalism and Thankful for executive orders on religious liberty as I am and be thankful for Supreme Court and let me just say we're going to need a conservative Supreme Court considering now in part because of President Trump's actions. At the White House has been lost to the Republican Party and the Senate. Now you're gonna have your one buffer on some of these religious liberty concerns will be the Supreme Court. So, Dean where I'm going with this is that I believe a lot of evangelicals will so value the religious liberty and pro life and other matters that the president engaged in and proceeded to to advance. Your arguments about the last two months will pale in comparison to the thanks, ladies and gentlemen, the conclusion of my interview.

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"billy graham center" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

01:30 min | 1 year ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on KCRW

"And discouraging their prisoners from seeking truth in these darkest corners of the Internet peddling lies. Absolutely absolutely. Mark Noll wrote years ago, a book called the Scandal of the Evangelical Mind, and he was talking about the lack of intellectual engagement in some corners of evangelicalism. I think the scandal of the evangelical mind today is the gullibility that so many have been brought into conspiracy theories, false reports and more. And so I think the Christian responsibility is we need to engage and what we call in the Christian tradition, discipleship. Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life right. So Jesus literally identifies himself as the truth of. Therefore, if there ever should be a people who care about the truth. That should be people who call themselves followers of Jesus. We have failed, and I think pulpits and colleges and universities and para church ministries and more. He'd asked the question. How are we going to disciple our people so that they engage the world around them and robust and Christ like ways And I think part of the evangelical reckoning is we haven't done that well. Headsets or leads the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center. Thanks for your time. Thank you. This is NPR news. Support comes from Netflix. Presenting Manc directed by David Fincher, Gary Oldman and Amanda Sife. Red star in this old Hollywood story about screenwriter Herman J. Mankowitz Racing to finish Citizen Kane awards eligible Santa Monica College number one in transfers to U. C. L. A.

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"billy graham center" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

860AM The Answer

05:47 min | 1 year ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

"Welcome back America. It's Hugh Hewitt. I'm joined now by add stature at is the dean of wheat in college and at Wheaton College. He also leads the Billy Graham Center. Dean steps, sir. Welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show. Thanks for having me on Toe. Let everyone know we don't have to rush because I arranged for Dean steps or to join me at the end of my show so that we could have a long conversation. It's an interview, not a debate. And even though the show will go up, the conversation will go on. It will all be posted on YouTube. And on my website, Jean Welcome your article In the U. S. A. Today evangelicals face a reckoning Donald Trump in the future of our faith. Was sent to me by another old friend with whom I have deep disagreements on politics, and he urged me to read it. I thought it was a new, interesting presentation of your position, so I I appreciate that has it sparked a lot of interest. It has it was, I guess the you know their top headline or most of the day on Sunday, and I think part of it from people who maybe don't like evangelicals, and then part of it from people or evangelicals like me or concerned about what evangelicalism is, has or is becoming So we share a common faith. Even though I'm an evangelical Roman Catholic Presbyterian, which is neither here nor there. I'll explain it another time. You're definitely not supposed to be all those things at once. But I know it doesn't make me a Lutheran either. It just means I go to Mass on Saturday and I go to the Presbyterian Church on Sunday. Uh, that practice has been blessed both by bishops. And I'm an elder in the Presbyterian Church. Not currently serving s O s. So I had what I wanna ask you at the beginning in the article, you write that evangelicals believe in the good news of the Gospel that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and in our place. Would you also add, and that he rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and is alive today. Indeed, I would. I believe that's central to the Christian faith that Jesus was dead on Friday and Sunday back from the dead and receiving in migration through faith gives us new and everlasting, eternal life. I thought you might like it was just excluded from the USA Today article and I thought to myself hey left out the punchline, But editors are editors. Um, is salvation exclusively reserved for those who put their faith in the resurrected Christ. I do believe it is. I mean salvation by grace alone through faith alone and then Jesus work alone, He said. I am the way the truth and the life No one comes to the father except through me. So I want people understand you're very mainstream is sexual intimacy outside of marriage Sinful. Let me say mainstream is probably not the term to describe a conservative Angela girls like me. But the answer your question is yes, I believe God reserves expert marriage between one man and one woman over one lifetime, And I would be a conservative evangelical. Yes. Okay. So when was the last Republican presidential candidate You voted for I've got. I don't generally reveal who I voted for. But I have been consistently pro life pro Tricia marriage, pro religious liberty have deep religious liberty concerns now that unfortunately, I think President Trump's kind of erratic responsible last few weeks has led to the loss of the Senate. Now we're gonna face serious religious liberty concerns related to the quality act and Morva. But in general, I don't tell people who I voted for. Have you ever voted for a Republican president? Oh, my gosh. Yes. Okay. I just I just wanted people. I thought you were, uh more Republican than you were Democratic. And therefore I thought your credibility with my audience might increase their well. I would say it's very fair to say I believe that lower taxes are better for society. I believe, you know, I mean, so I think they would very much lineup. Kind of as a pastor and religious leader. One of the things that you know, teaching preach the Bible regularly is I don't want people saying I didn't vote for that person. So I can't listen to that person. But I think you and I listen to your show. I think you and I will be very aligned on most issues that and I do, too, by the way on by friend Well, I'm aligned with on most theological issues. We just disagree on politics. That's why I wanted you to have a long set up and that's why I'm going to ask you again. This is for credibility with my audience and people who will go on. Listen to this. You already said that most evangelicals me included in your article are grateful for the Supreme Court justices. He appointed Trump and for some of the religious liberty concerns he addressed. His anti abortion stance is surprised me again surprised many again, me included. And for that I was thankful. You noted that how important is the Supreme Court? Dean E. I think it's very important. You know someone who's you know, Talk about light. You know, I One of the defining factors of my vote has to do with life on unborn life in the room and so deeply important, and I think, ultimately that coming out of the Trump administration, I think in the article, I mentioned that a lot of really burned burned down the Republican Party will be consequences for programs decades to come on what has happened to the Republican Party. End at the same time, I'm thankful for the three Supremes and actually say publicly and vocally supported all three Supreme Court justice picks that he that he selected and again lots of other things. I think for the challenges as you could be deeply concerned about what President Trump has done to the country and in my case, too evangelicalism and be thankful for executive orders on religious liberty as I am and be thankful for Supreme Court and let me just say we're gonna need a conservative Supreme Court considering now in part because of President Trump's actions. At the White House has been lost to the Republican Party and the Senate. Now you're gonna have your one buffer on some of these religious liberty concerns will be the Supreme Court. So, Dean where I'm going with this is that I believe a lot of evangelicals will so value the religious liberty and pro life and other matters that the president engaged in and proceeded to to advance. That your arguments about the last two months will pale in comparison to.

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"billy graham center" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

01:30 min | 1 year ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"On Sunday mornings be delivering messages about how to sort fact from fiction and discouraging their prisoners from seeking truth in these darkest corners of the Internet peddling lies. Absolutely absolutely. Mark Noll wrote years ago, a book called the Scandal of the Evangelical Mind, and he was talking about the lack of intellectual engagement in some corners of evangelicalism. I think the scandal of the evangelical mind today is the gullibility that so many have been brought into conspiracy theories, false reports and more. And so I think the Christian responsibility is we need to engage in what we call in the Christian tradition, discipleship. Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life right. So Jesus literally identifies himself as the truth of therefore, if there ever should be a people who care about the truth. That should be people who call themselves followers of Jesus. But we have failed and I think pulpits and colleges and universities and para church ministries and more. He'd asked the question. How are we going to disciple our people so that they engage the world around them and robust and Christ like ways. And I think part of the evangelical reckoning is we haven't done that. Well, Ed steps or leads the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center. Thanks for your time. Thank you. This is NPR news. And you're listening to morning edition here on W N. Y c. 36 degrees now in Central Park. It's going to be mostly cloudy today. Going up to 45 degrees this afternoon tonight Mostly cloudy with a low around 35. And it's 5 30. Now you can tune in to WN Y C without the tuning..

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"billy graham center" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

08:40 min | 2 years ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on KQED Radio

"It's a rebroadcast of this morning's forum. It's a recap of the Democratic national Convention. Meena Kim, her guests and collars give us their impressions. At the virtual event that was turned on unconventional convention due to the pandemic. On fresh air this evening at seven o'clock, we'll hear about the documentary Freedom Summer now streaming on PBS. It's a look back at 1960 for when hundreds of student volunteers spent weeks registering African Americans to vote in Mississippi. That's tonight at seven on fresh air here on From NPR news. This is all things considered. I'm Audie Cornish and I'm Ari Shapiro. The false conspiracy theory known askew and on is moving from fringe Internet chat rooms into mainstream politics. A Republican congressional candidate in Georgia is a supporter. Texas Republican Party has used a Q and a on slogan in campaign messaging. President Trump himself has re tweeted Q and on followers at least 200 times and described them as quote people that love our country. To be clear. This is a group the FBI has labeled a potential domestic terrorist threat. It's followers believe that President Trump is saving the world from occult of cannibalistic pedophiles. Reporter Caitlin Baby writes for the religion news service about how this belief is taking hold in white evangelical churches. Welcome to all things considered. Thanks so much for having me Your pieces called Q and on the alternative religion that's coming to your church. Do the people you interviewed really see it as a belief system comparable to organized religion. They dio. They are picking up on the overt, spiritually language that you whoever that is, is using in his messages on on the Internet, and they see that as connecting directly to the Bible to the god of Christianity. And Tio God's hand at work in the world, So they see the cue and on messages as revealing truth in the world, and that they are supposed to take up a spiritually battle to reveal Truth, and your reporting suggests that there's something about this moment that that makes it spread that much faster. S so a lot of pastors. I spoke with noted the fact that their churches are having Tio continue to Dio Virtual church. They're not meeting in person as much due to the corona virus and restrictions on worship. And in that time the pastor's I spoke with sense that there is this isolation and loneliness that their members are experiencing. The pastor's only get one hour a week with people in their church. The people in their church are probably spending hours on Facebook on other social media forums taking in this information and the pastor's I spoke with just felt like They couldn't do enough to counter the false messages that some of their church members were receiving through the Internet. One pastor who you spoke with in rural Missouri named Mark Fugit told you he's trying to get at this in his sermons and one way he's doing it is talking about the theme of dehumanization when our enemy becomes When they're not human when they're Satan, you know, working for the devil. Then we get into you know the whole, you know, I can't hate him. You know another person. But boy, if I can make them less than human, That's the crusades that was persecution throughout history that graceful issues. And I think we're starting to see some of that. And I mean, I've heard I've heard people literally say hi. Certain political figure. You know, I don't think they're human. Besides speaking at the pulpit, what other strategies are these pastors trying So the pastor's I spoke with talked a lot about drawing on tried and true Christian principles. For example, the biblical teaching that Christians are not to bear false witness against their neighbours. They're supposed to be people who speak truth and not falsehood. There, people who are supposed to create peace instead of division. They're people who are supposed to speak words of love instead of hate, And so rather than directly take on the truth or falsity of specific you Anon claims the pastor's that I spoke with felt that it was better to really draw people in their church to principles that could then be applied in their in their daily lives, including in how they conduct themselves online. Many pastors who spoke to are clearly very concerned about this. Let's hear from Jeff Barr, senior pastor of First Baptist Church in Elmont, Texas. Christian is really spreading. The message is The Gospel of Christ. That's the most important message in the world. So If the people spreading that message are also spreading easily divined craziest lies. Why would the message be believed? Right. Why would we listen to my friend Joe, who says he's a Christian telling me about Jesus? Yes. He also thinks that time is taking over America and operating a pedophile ring out of some people. I guess. One question is, If these pastors are the voices of authority within the church community, why aren't they able to talk their parishioners out of this false belief? The pastor's that I spoke with talked about a crisis of authority that they feel acutely as spiritually leaders. They perceive that we're in this time when traditional forms of credibility of verifying truth of looking at authoritative figures. As holding truth. We're in a time when there's a lot of mistrust of traditional sources of authority and truth, and they feel that themselves as church leaders. So they're concerned that if they try to take on cue anon directly and speak truth and set a falsehood that they just they won't be trusted. They won't be believed. And also if they try to point their their church members to credible news sources to mainstream media that none of that will will come through because, of course, according to the Q and on conspiracy theory, the mainstream media's part of the cover up, so I think a lot of the pastor's felt that their hands are tied. In this time, and they're concerned that members of their church are not only accepting falsehood and kind of believing in thes falsehoods but also spreading. Falsehoods other people in the church, and that's especially problematic when Cuban on is being espoused by other pastors in a denomination or by leaders in a particular church. Do you think we would find a growing belief in Q and on in any community that includes a lot of trump supporters? Or is there something specific to the white evangelical church that makes its susceptible to these messages? That's a great question. I think about a poll conducted by the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College, prominent evangelical institution in the Chicago suburbs. This was a poll conducted In 2018 that found that over half of evangelicals as defined by belief, are strongly convinced that the mainstream media produced fake news. And and studs or the executive director of the Village Graham Center, noted that that distrust in mainstream media and that willingness to write off mainstream media information as fake news Opens the door for a lot of evangelicals to turn to alternative and fringe news sources, including those that traffic in conspiracy. Scary, so I certainly think there's a connection there. But also again, it's it's that Cuban on uses this explicitly spiritually language that sounds Christian, and there's a clear battle between good and evil. There's the promise of this great awakening. More people are going to wake up to these prophecies. If you will. That's coming from Q. And so it's easy. For many white evangelicals to read their Bibles and connect the dots between what they read their and what they're hearing from. Q and on sources. Kaitlin Baby is a journalist who wrote about Cuban on in the Evangelical church for the religion news Service. Thank you for your time today. Thanks so much for having me. You're.

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"billy graham center" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

08:05 min | 2 years ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on KCRW

"From Alicia Parkway. From NPR news. This is all things considered. I'm Audie Cornish and I'm Ari Shapiro. The false conspiracy theory known askew and on is moving from fringe Internet chat rooms into mainstream politics. A Republican congressional candidate in Georgia is a supporter, the Texas Republican Party has used a Q and a on slogan in campaign messaging. President Trump himself has re tweeted Q and on followers at least 200 times and described them as quote people that love our country. To be clear. This is a group the FBI has labeled a potential domestic terrorist threat. It's followers believe that President Trump is saving the world from occult of cannibalistic pedophiles. Reporter Caitlin Baby writes for the religion news service about how this belief is taking hold in white evangelical churches. Welcome to all things considered. Thanks so much for having me. Your pieces called Q and on the alternative religion that's coming to your church. Do the people you interviewed really see it as a belief system comparable to organized religion. They dio. They are picking up on the overt, spiritually language that you whoever that is, is using in his messages on on the Internet, and they see that as connecting directly to the Bible to the god of Christianity. And to God's hand at work in the world, So they see the cue and on messages as revealing truth in the world, and that they are supposed to take up a spiritually battle to reveal Truth, and your reporting suggests that there's something about this moment that that makes it spread that much faster. S so a lot of pastors. I spoke with noted the fact that their churches are having to continue to do virtual church. They're not meeting in person as much due to the corona virus and restrictions on worship. And in that time the pastor's I spoke with sense that there is this isolation and loneliness that their members are experiencing. The pastor's only get one hour a week with people in their church. The people in their church are probably spending hours on Facebook on other social media forums taking in this information and the pastor's I spoke with just felt like They couldn't do enough to counter the false messages that some of their church members were receiving through the Internet. One pastor who you spoke with in rural Missouri named Mark Fugit told you he's trying to get at this in his sermons and one way he's doing it is talking about the theme of dehumanization when our enemy becomes When they're not human when they're Satan, you know, working for the devil. Then we get into you know the whole, You know, I can't hate a huge, You know another person. But boy, if I can make them less than human, That's the crusades that US persecution throughout history that racial issues. And I think we're starting to see some of that. And I mean, I've heard I've heard people literally say hi. Certain political figure. You know, I don't think they're human. Besides speaking at the pulpit, what other strategies are these pastors trying So the pastor's I spoke with talked a lot about drawing on tried and true Christian principles. For example, the biblical teaching that Christians are not to bear false witness against their neighbours. They're supposed to be people who speak truth and not falsehood. They're people who are supposed to create peace instead of division there, people who are supposed to speak words of love instead of hate, And so rather than directly, take on the truth or falsity of specific Cuban on claims. The pastor's that I spoke with felt that it was better. To really draw people in their church to principles that could then be applied in their in their daily lives, including in how they conduct themselves online. Many pastors who spoke to are clearly very concerned about this. Let's hear from Jeb Bar senior pastor of First Baptist Church in Elmont, Texas, as a Christian church spreading the message of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. That's the most important message in the world. So If the people spreading that message Are also spreading easily. Divide crazy lies. Why would the message people lose? Right. Why would we listen to my friend Joe, who says he's a Christian and something about Jesus? He also thinks that time is taking over America and operating a pedophile ring out of some people. I guess. One question is, If these pastors are the voices of authority within the church community, why aren't they able to talk their parishioners out of this false belief? The pastor's that I spoke with talked about a crisis of authority that they feel acutely as spiritually leaders. They perceive that we're in this time when traditional forms of credibility of verifying truth of looking at authoritative figures. As holding truth. We're in a time when there's a lot of mistrust of traditional sources of authority and truth, and they feel that themselves as church leaders. So they're concerned that if they try to take on cue anon directly and speak truth and set a falsehood that they just they won't be trusted. They won't be believed. And also if they try to point their their church members to credible news sources to mainstream media that none of that will will come through because of course, according to the Q and on conspiracy theory, the mainstream media is part of the cover up, so I think a lot of the pastor's felt that their hands are tied. In this time, and they're concerned that members of their church are not only accepting falsehood and kind of believing in thes falsehoods but also spreading. Falsehoods, other people in the church. And that's especially problematic when Q and on is being espoused by other pastors in a denomination or by leaders in a particular church. Do you think we would find a growing belief in Q anon in any community that includes a lot of trump supporters? Or is there something specific to the white evangelical church that makes it susceptible to these messages? That's a great question. I think about a poll conducted by the Billy Graham Center at Week in College, a prominent evangelical institution in the Chicago suburbs. This was a poll conducted In 2018 that found that over half of evangelicals as defined by belief, are strongly convinced that the mainstream media produced fake news. And Ed Steps or the executive director of the Billy Graham Center, noted that that distrust in mainstream media and that willingness to write off mainstream media information as fake news Opens the door for a lot of evangelicals to turn to alternative and fringe news sources, including those that traffic in conspiracy theory, So I certainly think there's a connection there. But also again it's it's that Q and on uses this explicitly spiritually language that sounds Christian, and there's a clear battle between good and evil. There's the promise of this great awakening. More people are going to wake up to these prophecies. If you will. That's coming from Q. And so it's easy for many white evangelicals to read their Bibles. And connect the dots between what they read their and what they're hearing from. Q and on sources. Kaitlin Baby is a journalist who wrote about Cuban on in the Evangelical church for the religion news Service. Thank you for your time today. Thanks so much for having me..

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Join Us in Prayer for Our Nation

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Join Us in Prayer for Our Nation

"To join us for the call center. I'm John. Stonestreet, this is great for. Christians should be among those most deeply concerned about the divided state of our nation left versus right mass. No mass reopened versus stay at home virtual school versus in person raised politics police abortion religious liberty not to mention the remainder of what certain to be brutal presidential campaign. The issues we face range from essential to non-essential on essential matters, we should mourn deception and vowed to fight. For the truth on non essential matters we should mourn and hope to overcome division God's people can neither stay on the sidelines nor run away from the struggle instead knowing there is no hope other than Christ. We must ask onto mercifully powerfully mobilize us is people to advance that which is true and good if Christians are to speak with clarity courage and confidence and to be the. Of Truth and love and a world of Noise Echo Chambers, then we'll need to be prepared but even perfectly crafted arguments cannot replace Shut Colson would say the church being the Church speaking cannot replace being and to be the people that God calls us to be right now, we must rely on prayer. That's why each and every Wednesday morning between all the twelfth of November, the fourth, and that's the morning after the twenty twenty election the Colson center will be hosting a national prayer time the a Webinar we want you to join US each and every week to pray first and foremost for God's mercy. But that he would revive his church that he would bring about a renewal of righteousness that he would empower us to courageously offer protection for the most vulnerable to champion reconciliation across our deepest divides and that he would. Allow us to be instruments in the sustaining of religious freedom and the recovery of the family in our nation. Each prayer time will feature a devotional challenge and a prayer by Christian leaders such as Oz Ganesh Johnny Eric's Totta focus on the family President Jim Daly Woodside Bible Pastor Chris Brooks and watermark pastor Todd Wagner as well as at Stecher from the Billy Graham Center and the Heritage Foundation President Keiko James Now due to the limited capacity of zoom there will be limited live spots each week available to everyone who registers However, each weeks recording will be sent to anyone who registers so come to breakpoint dot org for more details and Fiji's Paul tells us that we don't wrestle against flesh and blood but against the rulers, the authorities, the cosmic powers over this present darkness against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places when people see us their enemies, it's difficult to remember that they aren't our enemies. So what we need to do as Paul Instructs this put on the former of God Faith Truth Righteousness Peace Salvation the word of God. And he says praying at all times in the spirit with all prayer and supplication keeping alert with all perseverance making supplication for all the Saints, and the Book of acts the earliest church activity we read off is prayer thousands of people from completely different backgrounds came together in one mind one art in prayer with one accord. That's what acts chapter one, verse fourteen and Chapter Two versus forty. Two seven says than what happened with the Holy Spirit moved in the world was never the same in fact, every spiritual revolution in history. With some kind of unified persevering prayer the very first outpouring of the holy. Spirit. In acts to the great awakenings, the businessman's revival and the Welsh revival story after story, you read the same thing people prayed God's spirit moved on the other hand every Christian history who was able to persevere and righteousness. Temptation or persecution without seeing revival in their lifetime they also did that through prayer. Our prayer of course cannot force God's hand but are only way forward is to seek his will together are purse can't control God. But we can invite him to change our hearts and minds including our own gods always working in our lives whether we realize it or not. But something powerful and world changing happens when people pray for God's spirit to move. The, Great Jonathan Edwards urged his fellow pastors to quote be much in prayer and fasting both in secret and with one another it is God's will. He said that the prayers of his saints shall be great and the principal means of carrying on the designs of Christ's kingdom in the world. When God has something to accomplish for his church, it is with his will that there should precede it the extraordinary prayer of his people Paul even tells us to pray for all things at all times for sesame chapter five specifically for our leaders both spiritual and secular as what the

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"billy graham center" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

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02:51 min | 2 years ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Looks not wearing his prison work shirt anymore. He's got a suit and a skinny tie with a little embroider design on it. Not sure where he got the outfit while he was in prison, But his hair is combed forward. It looks soft. There's no grease in it. His gaze is lifted slightly upward. He's smiling just a bit. And if this was the on ly photo you ever saw of Luke Austin? You think he were a preacher or a missionary? He looks like a man with a higher purpose. So what happened between 1966 in 1967. The Times these two photos were taken. Luke founded center core Very first Senate core chapter inside the Colorado State prison, had a core group of 26 men. And a waiting list of more than 100. That's according to a center core booklet I found from the early days of the organization. A booklet is Luke Center Core manifesto. It's like a handbook in it. He used the man with the higher purpose photo to introduce himself to potential followers. Inside the centre core house. Luke creates an authoritarian system a total environment as he called it. Into this total environment walk young people, teenagers whose parents were panicking about the drug use that was just starting to hit the mainstream. Some grown men who'd already done major prison time for drugs or violent crimes. And then people who actually did have problems with heroin like Ken Barren, Um, executive vice president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. And Ah started my Career at center Core. June 12th 1972 I met Ken at his office at the Billy Graham Center in Charlotte, North Carolina. The building's all stone and huge timber beams. Can grew up in New York City. He started using heroine as a teenager in the mid sixties. He says he had this constant gnawing anxiety in his gut drugs gave me a feeling of confidence. That I could do anything. But then I found myself physically in need of that feeling of Confidence that launched him into seven years of serious addiction. A day was like a year sometimes. And it was all chasing heroin that was chasing heroin. Chasing her chasing, Ken says he roamed the country like that from the East Coast to the West Coast. At one point, he almost walked into a sin on house in California for help. You got part way up the steps, but he.

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"billy graham center" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

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03:10 min | 2 years ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"He has a receding hairline and big ears. A little placard hangs around his neck. That says Colorado State Pen Luke looks mean like a lackey for the mob had seen an old movie. And then there's this other beautiful old silver gelatin print in the prison file. Dated 1967 looks not wearing his prison work shirt anymore. He's got a suit and a skinny tie with a little embroider design on it. Not sure where he got the outfit while he was in prison, But his hair is come forward. It looks soft. There's no grease in it. His gaze is lifted slightly upward. He's smiling just a bit. And if this was the on ly photo you ever saw of Luke Austin? You think he were a preacher or a missionary? He looks like a man with a higher purpose. So what happened between 1966 in 1967. The Times these two photos were taken. Look founded. Centocor. Very First Centre Court chapter inside the Colorado State prison, had a core group of 26 men. And a waiting list of more than 100. That's according to a center core booklet I found from the early days of the organization. A booklet is Luke Center Core manifesto. It's like a handbook in it. He used the man with the higher purpose photo to introduce himself to potential followers. Inside the centre core house. Luke creates an authoritarian system a total environment as he called it. Into this total environment walk young people, teenagers whose parents were panicking about the drug use that was just starting to hit the mainstream. Some grown men who'd already done major prison time for drugs or violent crimes. And then people who actually did have problems with heroin like Ken Barren, Um, executive vice president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. And I, uh, started my Career at center Core. June 12th 1972 I met Ken at his office at the Billy Graham Center in Charlotte, North Carolina. The building's all stone and huge timber beams. Can grew up in New York City. He started using heroine as a teenager in the mid sixties. He says he had this constant gnawing anxiety in his gut drugs gave me a feeling of confidence. That I could do anything. But then I found myself physically in need of that feeling of Confidence that launched him into seven years of serious addiction. A day was like a year sometimes. And it was all chasing heroin that was chasing heroin. Chasing her chasing, Ken says he roamed the country like that from the East Coast to the West Coast. At one point, he almost walked into a sin on house in California for help. You got part way up the steps..

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"billy graham center" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

02:10 min | 2 years ago

"billy graham center" Discussed on KQED Radio

"A core group of 26 men and a waiting list of more than 100. That's according to a center core booklet I found from the early days of the organization. A booklet is Luke Center Core manifesto. It's like a handbook in it. He used the man with the higher purpose photo to introduce himself to potential followers. Inside the centre core house. Luke creates an authoritarian system a total environment as he called it. Into this total environment walk young people, teenagers whose parents were panicking about the drug use that was just starting to hit the mainstream. Some grown men who'd already done major prison time for drugs or violent crimes. And then people who actually did have problems with heroin like Ken Baron AM executive vice president of a Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. And AH started my career at center Core. June 12th 1972 I met Ken at his office at the Billy Graham Center in Charlotte, North Carolina. The building's all stone and huge timber beams. Can grew up in New York City. He started using heroine as a teenager in the mid sixties. He says he had this constant gnawing anxiety in his gut drugs gave me a feeling of confidence. That I could do anything. But then I found myself physically in need of that feeling of Confident that launched him into seven years of serious addiction. A day was like a year sometimes and and it was all chasing heroin that was chasing heroin. Chasing her chasing him. Ken says he roamed the country like that from the East Coast to the West Coast. At one point, he almost walked into a sin on house in California for help. You got part way up the steps, but he couldn't make himself go inside. He wasn't ready to quit. The fear of pain from.

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