18 Burst results for "Bill Watts"
"bill watts" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"Me before he was fired he goes, I would close that merchandise part up quickly because I think I'm going to be fired. Gotcha. And we did. I told his lawyers say, okay, let's get this down. Because they wanted it to happen. And it was very important for me. So then Bill watts came in. And that was a disaster from the beginning for this. That was, yeah. Yeah. Bill, water and oil. It just didn't just see Bill not liking Jesse. And I actually spoke to bill twice, and he had no more interest in speaking to an agent, though he was polite. But it was like I could have been nobody. The bad boy advanced. An Asians in wrestling are you kidding? Oh, of course. He was the ultimate old school. No, we're not going to do it. Right. So but at the same time, it was when Eric Bischoff was trying to get elevated at WCW. All right, yeah. So bill then find Jesse for something. I think they had a discrepancy in some creative issue. And he find him, and I said, I don't know if he can find you. Went to his lawyers and said, no, you really can't find him. It doesn't show up or do something like that. So we went through that and then Eric took over 1993. Yeah. And I thought, wow, this is breath fresh air. This is great because he had tremendous amount of energy. A lot of creativity. And as you know, what I wanted to do with some pretty great. Of course. So he and I became friendly. And I helped him actually audition for a couple of opportunities, like access Hollywood with a new show. Really? And I got Eric in there. My partner and I, Michael, got Eric in there. And I thought, this guy's really talented. I mean, good-looking and smart. And he got very close. He was considered for things. But then I think once he took over and got the nod at WCW, he folks. That was different. That was different from that. So Bischoff now is kind of, like you mentioned, he takes control and you have other opportunities for him, but now he's running WCW. So is it just now it means it's Jesse. When does kind of your roster expand? Because now we're getting close to this 96 era, nitro versus raw, where and something I want to touch on is also you mentioned, you were one of the pioneers in getting guaranteed contracts. Yes. Because that did not exist. Well, let's go to that thing. Into the mid 90s. Let's go to that segue. Yeah. I met my office. Early January 1996, working late. Working late because I knew it could have gotten dark. With winter, it was dark. And I get a call from a friend, rich menser, who was at gold's gym. I remember rich. And he said, hey, bear. Hey, rich, how are you? He goes, look, I've got this kid here. Who would love to talk to you? Just in general, is gonna be Sean waltman. Really? Yes. And I said, wow, okay. But I'm leaving now, and he goes, you know, he's here. He could be there in 15, 20 minutes. He said, you think you could talk to him a little bit. He's going to leave and go back to Minnesota. I said, okay, because I had watched him and liked him a lot. So I wait he shows up right away. Right. Comes in and we're talking. And he had had his own problems with WWF. And now he started talking to me about the fact that he wanted to maybe think about jumping to WCW. Wow. And I talked him back and forth about contracts and what he was making with very little wasn't even worth a guarantee of any kind of WWF. And I said, interesting. And we talked through it and I explained and he goes, you know, I have another friend. Who is interested? A friend who's interested in leaving as well. And I was enjoy talking to Sean, but I said, who is that? He said, Scott hall. And he plays razor Ramon. And I thought I was going to fall off my chair. Because Eric had said to me earlier in the month that Ted was looking to hire some mainstream talent. He's going to pay the higher some mainstream talent with nice guarantees. And once again, there was no guarantees at this time. There was no guarantee Scott Scott was there. I thought these guys were making so much money. Sure. And how they were getting paid at the time was just a percentage of the gate. Yeah. Or they're a $150 for the right exactly. Exactly. Basically whatever Vince wanted to pay them. The reason Sean couldn't leave with had too far to go. Okay. But Scott was up in May. Wow. And this is when January. Gotcha. So sure enough Sean says, why don't we call him now? It's about 7 30 by time in 10 o'clock. I said, okay, you think it's not too late in the east. Where does he live Orlando? He's okay. Let me get him. And we got him on the phone. And Sean Scott, it's trying to go, hey, and I thought, yeah, it's him. He goes, I'm with a guy here who thinks he can get you a really good deal. And a really nice guarantee. And Scott, who was hurt everything skeptical in this case. Of course. Of course, very sharp. And he said, wow, I explained a little bit that they're looking to hire some key talent to me. He was like one of the huge absolutely. He was at his peak at that point in time for him as well. And he said, yeah. Bring me something. I could be in and sure enough. I called Eric. That night or the next morning. So I think I found somebody. I might fit that need that you're looking at. He goes, who I said, scuttle. And of course, I like that you basically kind of helped orchestrate the NWO. It ended up that way. I mean, it was a great concept he had and that was the beginning. We made a deal. And at the time, the WWF contracts were renewable. If you didn't cancel within so many days. They would just roll over constantly. He didn't stop it. Right. So I realized I said, I got a copy of the dates with relevant to Scott. I said, well, you've got to sign something and say, I do not choose to be automatically renewed. No matter what you do. Gotcha. And he said, okay, send me something. How to be facts. Took the facts and sent it back and he wrote his name. Huge. I'm writing a big enough so Vince can see it. And we sent it in, and didn't mean he was quitting. It just meant he doesn't want it renewed yet. He doesn't want to. You got to renegotiate here. Negotiate there. Did you talk to Vince at all about Scott renegotiate and want to talk? He wanted out. Okay, well, you don't want to talk. But Scott didn't want to try and renegotiate with open to it. Oh, gotcha. So you were told that Vince does not want to talk to you. Yeah. So basically what you're saying is that you went to Eric, Eric said that I'm interested. You went to Vince and said, I want to talk to you. So that was it. He went to WCW. Wow. Yeah. It wasn't even about a bidding war. Principle versus dog shit. Yeah, right. Yeah. He wasn't going to be dictated to. And that was his right. That he's got to be told that, and it was compared to what it was more than Scott had been making, which I was surprised. I thought he was making the millions. Of course. And he was.
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"It was hungry. I think Christian really wanted to be a single star. And not necessarily his first preference. Suppose it to be a tag team star. Even though he would have done it, I needed done a great job with it. Let's talk about somebody else who would have done a great job with it. Of course we're talking about our old pal, mister orndorff. It's written in the observer that they're not exactly sure what he's going to be doing because some of the stuff has already leaked, meaning they thought maybe it was going to be him and Ron Simmons since they did the TV stuff, but the booking sheets have leaked, that it's going to be Dan spivey versus Ron Simmons. But more concerning is their own magazine, the WWE magazine has already told the story of Barry Windham turning on Dustin Rhodes. Those magazines hit the newsstands the day before it happens on live TV clash of the champions. Is this just a function of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing or are we getting too big for our britches, talk me through this? No, it's communication, lack of structure, you know, left hand, you hit the nail on the head, as simple as that. hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. And it ended up being a very embarrassing scenario. Because you're not talking about two ham and eggers. No. You're talking about major, major stars for us. You're tag teams. Yeah. Yeah, so how that slipped out like that or whatever. Is still a head shaker. Well, it's a head shaker when we see Bill watts on the 900 number. He's going to set the record straight and say, no, no, WCW's paying for guys medical expenses if they got injured on the job. We're just not paying them. But if they wanted to secure their income, they had to write my Lloyd's London policy if they wanted to protect themselves. And if they don't, well, that's on them. And Meltzer would say the Lloyd's premiums these days go for about $17,000 a year. And he suspects that that figure will rise rapidly over the next year. That's a lot of money now. Certainly a lot of money back then, especially based on the new watts pay structure, did you think it was quote unquote fair, but if a guy gets legitimately injured and he gets sent home, we're not paying him. No, that's fair. Yeah. You don't do that. But it was a strange, so many strange decisions were being made. Right. We've revealed so many strange decisions and things that didn't make any sense. This could have been done to fix that. You and I have not just simply sit down here today to identify problems. We have discussed solutions to those problems. And I will tell you that a lot of those solutions were discussed. You know, I still work in closer cowboy, whether I liked it or not. Because this is guilt by association. And the more he cowboy got on him, the more dripped down to me. And I didn't think that was fair. Nobody's
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"Was that not really even the circumstance with Bill just because him and Jake were always just going to be oil and water? Yeah, I think so. This old wounds don't heal sometimes. Right. Sticking from a guy that's got an old wound each time to heal. Yeah. It was a short term, but if Jake had been clean and sober and hitting the restart button, thanks a lot, I really worked out a lot differently. Quite frankly, I mean, and the other thing too about Jake, the cowboy wouldn't have done it. I don't think. See, you got a guy like Jim cornette available. You got a guy like Jake Roberts, that's available. And all those guys are, you know, now if you're gonna do a committee, the committee should be two people or something. Not a whole room full of guys. Right. Those are creative meetings. The WCW were. I mean, everybody was looking to watch to make that shot that flat back to Charlotte. And so it was hard. It was hard to get bookings done. But we had brains there to help. We had a lot of brainpower. A cowboy being that old school restaurant hard headed and stubborn. He wasn't going to go ask some of these young guys to help him book. Why doesn't that? I would. That's what I'd have done. But that's not what happened. It's not what happens. Here's what else does happen though. Jim Hart makes a presentation on October 30th to Bill Shaw about the possibility of herd and Jerry Jerry working together to use the younger talents that need seasoning on USWA house shows. Now let's remind everybody, herd's gone. He's out of the company. Bill wants his steering the ship. But Bill watt still answers to Bill Shaw. So Jim heard goes to Bill Shaw and says, why don't we put you and Jerry Jerry together? Give these sand guys some reps. On the one hand that makes a lot of sense. On the other hand, how is herd still hanging around? This was news to me. I didn't know this until I saw it in the observer here. What do you remember of this? Anything? It was Arthur radar, man. Off the beaten path. There wasn't discussed. You know, I don't even know. I bet you can count the times that cowboy and herd met are had a meeting or whatever. On one hand. So, but I didn't know it either. Her trying to obviously what he's trying to do. He was working on his exit and he got a severance. Maybe he thought he needed to do more things to help Ernest severance if so, an honorable thing. But I didn't know about that. And it had no, it was like a fart in church. What are you going to get over? I can't wait to talk about Jim heard a little more, but I know that, you know, this isn't something you were really paying attention to or involved in, but Meltzer does a comparison about where the company's at. And how they had been doing. And I just wanted to run it past you. Because before watts becomes the guy, it's get proud running the thing. And kept frying was averaging 2200 folks at the shows. He was averaging a $23,000 gate, and he was getting a 2.4 rating. Bill watts comes in, and attendance goes from 2200 to 1800. The gate goes from 23,000 to 16,000, and the rating goes from a 2.4 to a 1.9. But he percentage wise, we're way down. Numbers don't lie, honey. Yeah. The numbers don't lie. And. Again, the team
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"Show, and he, to me, he always will be. So he's outspoken. You know, we've had some spirited debates, usually we're cash or creative. Imagine that. Yeah, imagine that. So, but he's a smart guy, and you can tell sometimes exactly how smart he is when he hears some of his renderings on busted open. That he's on a few days a week, so but brought a lot to the table. I think if bubba was easier to get along with, I'm not gonna be sticking out of school, and I'm not trying to offend him or anybody else. Just a little bit easier to get along with, and I think he just older age. He's becoming more. I don't see more mellow, but more willing to compromise and listen. You know, bubba should be helping somebody in a big way with arresting company. He's got a great mind for it. So he's the kind of guy that years ago, Connie that cowboy Bill watts was hired to come to the territory and would help Bill book. And he would have booked a certain book to his own program. And once had a way of doing that with guys, when you get a talented by his hand to this to the creative that they help create, they are valuable as hell. And I think bubba would have been a valuable to say a working for cowboy at that point in time. And he's still valuable. You know, he's he still goes out there and he's smart and the bookings he chooses. So mother was the guy in that whole cadre of talents that I thought had the biggest upside. That's the farthest of deadly concern. Jeff Hardy is in another level too. As Jeff Hardy was the one that was chosen to seem to be the guy over his brother Matt. Chef had the most charisma and most uniqueness or whatever. So it's just funny. It's like being in a marriage, Connie. It's like, you know, how do you rebound from your separation? How do you rebound from your divorce? What does the future look like? Blah, blah, blah. And I like what those guys did a lot. Physical, reliable, good stuff. That's a hell of a way to start the show. I know we're spending too much time probably on the 6th man, but it really set the stage and was more important, I think, to talk about that a little bit more than I had originally planned. Well, I'll tell you what else is important to talk about, and that's our pals over at athletic greens. You know, these days we're all trying to optimize our immune system. Maybe you're looking for better gut health, maybe you're not really like pills or vitamins, but you want something that actually takes great.
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"He got better in that respect, but I think the dog may have already been cast, you know, a talent. Anytime there's a change in creative leadership, paranoia runs deep. And it's Jefferson Airplane said paranoia runs deep. Deep in my heart, it will seep. Stops when you're always afraid. The man come and take you away. That was cowboy. That was how that works. How about saying that? Because she would have so anyway, yeah, it was cowboy was starting to get the hang of it a little bit. But, you know, you're dealing with people who don't understand how hard it is when you're dealing in a fictional business how to manage the paranoia and the insecurities. Right. You know, you don't have to ever 45 yards a punt, Conrad. You just have to be able to sell people that you can average 45 yards a punt. Yeah, you ever got to kick a football. And I think that's kind of where we are with that deal. It was just, it was just a funny how it evolved. It was kind of strange to me, but in any event, things are on some fronts and WCW things are getting better. And cowboy, tell us a cowboy had issues with, were not personal issues. Right. Just business. They were being paid more than they were contributing. And that was the decision made by the decision maker, who was Bill watts at that time. Saw the structure was. Well, bill's going to make some different decisions here. He's going to eliminate the top rope rule, which obviously was pretty controversial. And he's even going to shelve the light heavyweight division for a bit, saying he needs to get it back on track and relaunch it. So he can understand, I mean, maybe some of these rules seem like a good idea, but as you said, maybe Bill was evolving a little bit here. And then watts is going to talk with Dave Meltzer a little bit more about kit fry steroid policy. Jesse Ventura and Jake the snake, but before we get into that, because we are going to take about a few minutes and talk about the whole quote. I want to remind you guys, and I can't believe this is real.
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"By the way, in the minute I've been talking to you 16 hires were made on indeed. Come on, go right now. ND dot com slash grilling JR. Well, let's talk about the other big departure of the time. There's a pretty big happening, some sort of falling out between Bill Watson, pauli, and it's reported that Paul is essentially put on hiatus and his story with stone cold or what would be one day stone cold, stunning Steve Austin is going to come to an end. Is it fair to say that Watson hayman were just oil and water or whatever that old phrase is? Yeah. You're right. You're on the money. Paul's, you know, I said the story on this show a lot. And it works in everyday life, everybody. It's more effective for you as an individual to close the deal. Than anything I can think of. It's just a matter of, you know, you got to, you got to get to where you need to be and Paul was had a hard time conversing at times. And he didn't take rejection real well. That could be good. It could be a blessing, could be a curse. But cowboy never hesitated. And singing Paul's praises. I was a huge Heyman advocate. You know, I'm ready, my partner on television, and he was great. Still great. He's part of the most compelling character in WWE programming right now, at least. And that's not knocking. Some of us say, well, he knocked the roster. I'm not knocking anybody. I'm complimenting one guy. That doesn't mean everybody else is just we're going to pay everybody else in the outhouse. I think it's that statement of truth has proven true, Conrad. Heyman is an amazing talent. Cowboy knew he was an amazing talent. The cowboy didn't have the patience to manage Paul. And Bill and I had a lot of talks about that. So he kept Paul on payroll for a while. But he knew that the end was near, you know, and Paul and Bill could have been such a great combination creatively. I think. Bill didn't have the trust in Paul. So for whatever it was, it was not meant to be, and that's it really, really unfortunate. It was for me, because I personally thought, hey man, I could have continued to improve our game, and we would have been the best team in television and pro wrestling. That was a goal. So it was hard. It was hard to see him leave, because I knew what kind of a talent that he was. Well, I want to just remind everybody that 1992 is a tough year everywhere. Here in WCW, which is what we're talking about today. There's lots of unrest amongst the talent to the point where Bill wants is even going to set aside time to speak with the four highest paid wrestlers in the company because they've all got gripes. And sort of the ringleader of this conversation and movement sort of expressing the frustrations of the talent is sting. But boy, on the other side, there's really a mass exodus from the WWF in 1992. Hogan's going to leave warriors going to leave right at the first of the year flair is going to leave Sid justice is going to let so many of the top guys where they're at the beginning of the year are not there at the end of the year and it's because, as we've said many times, well, money is down, just across the board. It's not a unique to WCW problem is what I'm trying to drill in here. And I think that even settles in on some of the boys here on the WWE side of things and Bill watts because we've talked a lot about, you know, Brian Pillman's contract and how watts wanted to rightsize it and said basically if pillman didn't take this pay cut, he was going to have him lose every night and pillman sort of smirked and said, I'll be the highest paid jobber in the company or something like that. I could hear Brian saying that. Well, if I fast forward, they get together at the Omni. And Bill watts actually said this exact quote to Dave Meltzer. As soon as I got here, I told dusty, we've got to use that kid better. I'm tired of these giants who can't take any bumps. He's with us and everything's fine. We had a week or two in an impasse, but he's happy. He shook hands with me. We never had what she would call a fight or an argument. This is business, and as far as I'm concerned, it's in the past. And man, that's not a side that we fans hear about Bill watts a lot. It feels like whenever people want to talk about Bill, they just gravitate straight to the negative and you just hear these quote unquote horror stories, but man, I gotta say, hey man, we disagreed, but this is business. Let's let bygones be bygones and go make some money. That's gotta be a good sign, right? Yeah, I think it sounded cowboy evolving as a manager in that era wrestling. Yes. It was an entirely different landscape and atmosphere than he had when he ran the whole show. He had to fit into a corporate structure He didn't play well with others all the time, but that wasn't his nature. He wanted to do it his way or the highway type deal.
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"Let's jump back in and talk about Bill watts a little more because he's got other things on his mind besides just cutting the budget. He wants to bring in some new talent. He's going to bring in Chris Benoit. It's going to bring in Shane Douglas, and all of a sudden Eric watts name starts popping up on the booking sheets, and that's probably going to be something that he gets judged about. Both guys, as a matter of fact, it can't be easy to come in as the boss's son when the boss has all this controversy surrounding us about pay cuts and all that. It's a no win. For everybody. No win. You can look at all the characters in this soap opera. And all of them had great value in certain ways. But in the roles they were thrust in, just wasn't clicking. And I felt bad for Eric because Eric really wanted to be following the old man's footsteps, like the von erichs. You know, there's a lot of role models. And sometimes you look at these role models and although I love Kevin Bond Eric in this idyllic life in Hawaii, and he's got two great sons who are pretty good hands. Ross and Marshall, good boys. And they're good boys. Sometimes your own models aren't exactly ideal. And I thought Eric kind of got a bad break. He wasn't ready for showtime. He wasn't ready for prime time. He wasn't ready for TVS television. And don't think that that wasn't spoken of in private meetings. I said it to be a zillion times. Below the kid, he's like a little nephew. But he ain't ready yet. He wasn't ready to play quarterback for Louisville until I met Hart schnellenberger on an airplane. So it was another good story, so we're down the road. But in any event, he just loves it ready. It was never going to work. If it had any chance of working, it would have been of the entitled rich kid heal. And that's a big maybe. As a baby face, no way in hell. You know, folks, I've been up down the road a few times. And there's one thing you'll hear me talk about on this show more than just about anything else. It's reliability. That's why I
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"The other stimulating question. I'll have had a week to work on that answer. Do you need if they're not, they don't have something planned for them? If they're Bill watts decision or anything? We can make a decision if we want to. So we wanted the superstars to have the music, but the rest didn't, it wasn't something like that. I'm trying to help this guy out a little bit here. What guy. It's got the guy that asked the question. Well, it's a production element. Generally reserved for top hands. And so because you're getting your music played and you still lose in 8 minutes and 40 seconds. It still doesn't make you a star. So I'm just saying, you know, if it matters, if you don't have any plans for you, you know that pretty quick, especially if you are you don't have any interest music. Just needle drop in generic. Maybe you need to work hard and not becoming generic. Maybe you need to work hard and change anything perception of the decision makers. That might be an idea. Maybe you've got to bust your ass and get real good at something you do. Yeah. And then they'll give you music, and pyro, all other good stuff. Earn your music, earn your pyro. Why not? There you go. I like it. JR Jeff Stewart's up next as we watch the hammer work on the back of this poor kid. He's just getting worked over. Did you think WCW would get any mainstream media coverage from Ron Simmons winning the belt? I don't remember any. Did the company would have if they would if the old school WCW PR machine was on their game. It's a story that writes itself. Absolutely. And it was less than heartening to see what didn't happen. It should have been, it should have been a lay up. And I think the Atlanta area, Omni business, things like that. It did Gus good PR locally. But it should have been, you know, considering that CNN and headline news and all that stuff was based there in the same building we were. You think we'd get a smell, but then I don't think that happened. Stanford's up next as the match continues on here. He said, why do you think Ron Simmons never received on air acknowledgment from WWE about being a former world champion? Because they had that helmet they wanted to wear. It's all about the helmet. It's all about the helmet. Right. And he had interest music. Everything was everything was coming together perfectly. It was a perfect storm. A helmet, Gladiator, music, my God. What a concept. And these guys, finally, finally. Thank you, Jesus. The match is over. And they got the win here, Greg Valentine. Until this week, WWE hasn't acknowledged anybody doing anything. For the handsome young man. Comments
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"So Jim, let's talk a little bit about the other news and notes here because there's so many moving parts here with Bill watts. This is really going to be the basis of our show before we get to the show. Why tell demanding on June 1st before the TV tapings under the auspices under his auspices and added some new directives, he's going to cut back on the length of TV tapings because he believes it burns out the fans and hurts the return Gates in those cities, so the days of 25 match TV tapings are done. And what will be almost surely the most controversial new directive watts is banned everything off the top rope. The theory behind the rule is that it enables the heels to get great heat, a la ray Stevens, and Nick bockwinkel in the early 1970s and the AWA, when they got incredible heat when Stevens would illegally come off the top row behind the referees back to lead penning baby faces. Against the idea is to cast Bobby Eaton in the ray Stevens roll on the heel side. However, in this day and age, with fans accustomed to moves of that variety and with wrestlers like Ricky steamboat and Brian Pillman, not to mention jushin liger and great muda, eliminating all moves from the top rope is attempting to retro grasp the in ring product itself and take away what has probably been the single most universally accepted change worldwide of the past decade, which is the advent of the new hot acrobatic movies like moon salts, Alabama jams, shooting stars, air pill mens and the like. Now this is still something people talk about to this day, but as we laid it out, you gave it to the animal boy. Yeah, clearly this is a storytelling device. It's something for the heels to use and get away with something and steal something, but could you also see how a guy like Brian Pillman or jushin liger would think, what am I gonna do? That's half of my repertoire now. You gotta do it when the referee's not looking. Yeah. It's all I can tell you. You know, it's not gonna be, it's not easy. The hell the business isn't easy. That's right. So, yeah, I think, you know, to me, it made sense. But I also understand a pillman or a liger, somebody in the situation like you outlined, having concerns, and I could get that. But it's just a matter of adapting your game plan a little bit. And then creating scenarios for the referee was either out of position or incapacitated. And you got your big move in so they got to see it. So that was kind of the theory behind it, but again, it was a cultural shock for a lot of talents because like you said, they relied and dependent upon some of these high flying moves to get their matches over. Watts also banned the juice, as in blood, telling the boys the subject had become too controversial. Watts also addressed the subject of steroids and said he would have to find out what TBS's policy is regarding steroids. Instead of TBS doesn't want the guys on steroids, then nobody's going to be on steroids because if they are, they won't wrestle for WCW and it's as simple as that. So there's lots of hurdles. Lots of hot button issues as a reminder. 1991 is where the world first learned from Magic Johnson about HIV. I know it existed before that, but it wasn't a mainstream topic before that. And now blood is all of a sudden a hot button issue. And that feels like a major departure from the way things used to be, where it feels like everything else that Bill has implemented is based on, hey, this is the way it used to be blood was a staple, and now it's not, but his hands are kind of tied in that regard, just based on this political climate and what have you, right? Yeah, Turner, they were not advocates of blood. They wanted more family friendly product. And not a lot of heavy juice. So it kind of went along with the company philosophy. And like you said, we're still going through a scenario where we're learning more about contaminated blood and things of that nature. The scientific world can evolving. Things get changing new information became available. So, but the blood thing was, we might have got a little pushback from some of the guys, but not many. And it just made sense, I think, to legislate the blood situation so that, you know, you were talking about getting a lot of juice of being around people at ringside. You know, you don't want to do that Conrad. That's stupid. Right. So that's kind of how I saw that situation. And I think going forward, it seems to me like I might be wrong about this. There might have been a situation where we've got some juice, but it was so unique at that point in time. It actually meant something. I can't remember. I thought there was a situation here or there where cowboy relaxed it for one match to tell to finish telling a story. I might be wrong on that deal, but the juice was a forgotten memory by and large. And he just said to be more creative, something else that did not include blood to help get your heat. Do you think Bill knew what he was getting himself into? I mean, okay. No. I don't think he, I think he thought he knew,.
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"So we talk about the transition over now to WCW, this big deal he's gotten from kip fry, were you aware of his issues with substance abuse at this time at all JR? Of course, yeah. Everybody was. It wasn't a secret. You didn't know how. Where he was on that journey. Was he getting better? Was he teeter tottering on disaster? But he always knew that the whispers were going to be about, you know, Jake's drug abuse. Alcohol and drug abuse. But, you know, he's such a valuable asset. That you hope that you can help him. And get past these struggles. So that he can be the guy that you know you got. And he can earn that big money that kept for I was paying. I saw numbers on that. I'm not so sure about that. Yeah, I have some numbers here for you, and some interesting a curve ball that was thrown during this period. And I want to get your thoughts on it. So he waited his 90 days for the contract to go into play. But interesting enough, cowboy Bill watts was brought in to replace kip Frye during that 90 days. And apparently or allegedly, as they say, watts tore up the contract and offer Jake a new one for a much lower amount on the 87th day. Excuse me. So what can you share with us about this? Was there heat again? I know we talked about it and you said it's cash and creative. But he went from earning three and a half million a year to 200,000 a year. Is that accurate at all? Is that just dirt cheap fodder? That three and a half $1 million number is new to me. But I'm not saying it couldn't have happened. A lot of guys make a lot of money there. And Jake was in a main event position to potentially earn that kind of cash, but I have never heard that number before. We're talking about it today. Okay. And cowboy was simply trying to, I think, and I'm defensive of him more often than probably I should be. But he was just trying to not over commit the company to a guy that he had some questions on. And the questions were always not about getting work still. Can he draw money? Can he still cut a promo? Is he not still the idea guy that we like? We want or what? And I just think that it was a matter of being careful and not over committing. I'm sure the kip fry did not have the background and the Intel on shake the I'm also not saying that cowboy was totally accurate. If Jake was cleaning up, it was getting better. Then, you know, and Bill comes in and low balls him on his money. You know, Jake's options now have been limited. He's walked away from the WWE. So what else you gonna go other than WCW to make a decent living? Do you recall JR any tension between him and watts at the time on after he came in with all this going on? Of course. How could there not be? Yeah. How could it not be? And it was a very unfortunate. It got too personal. You know, I've hired guys that I didn't particularly like, I didn't have Christmas dinner with them. I didn't exchange cards. But if I thought they were going to help the company, I was being employed by, and so be it. You get them on the team. You get guys on the team to create a unit that can win games. And certainly with Jake in a positive frame of mind, he could win a game for you still. Speaking of an interesting dynamic, grizzly Smith, his dad is in WCW at the time. What did you see there between Jake and his father was there? Not much. Okay. They didn't. I mean, I'm sure there was love and respect there to some level. But they never had, they always had somewhat of an estranged relationship. And so they didn't even know they were working the same company. I can't tell you that they were saying side by side. Yeah. Oh, that wasn't their style. Yeah. What was it? Do you have any memories of working with grizzly at this time in WCW during this time period? Well, you know, I was in that area very much. I mean, I was there. I almost did his job. You know, he learned real well from cowboy from Ernie lad and those guys in mid south. He was a very reliable guy in that respect. So I think he maintained those principles. And WWE, WWF, or whatever it was. And a contributing member of the team. Chris had great knowledge. And great to entail. He understood that he could help a talent with a little wrinkle here or there in her matches. But you knew Chris was going to be at work. He's going to be on time. He's going to do his job. He's going to do what he was asked to do to the very best visibility. It's just the fact that president and how the family came together over the years and decades and generations, Jake and grizz, as we're not real close. Well, JR, we've arrived it's finally the big debut for Jake and it's a Baltimore TV taping. It's August 1992. He makes his way in and buddy. You are on the call, as I said, once again for this clip. And it is goosebumps city. He attacks the franchise sting. We have the clip. Let's take a look and watch it together. And listen in to.
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"You're saying treat people like you'd like to be treated. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, pretty much. It's common sense. I like that. That's good. Don't overthink it. Don't overthink it, overthinking proposition. It's pretty, it's pretty straightforward stuff. So Leon was a handful for the wrestlers in the ring. He was a handful at times, but the front office he had to be reassured constantly that everything was cool. And he was playing good. And everything was everything was going to be fine. But he needed that constantly. And it gets old. It does. I've had people that have worked with that. I always need that constant reassurance. And it's like, you're doing good. I promise you. I will tell you if you're not. That's right. Well, it's been said that Bill watts plan and I want to confirm this with you with Ron Simmons was for Vader to beat sting and injure him and a couple weeks later have Ron Simmons get the first pinfall on Vader to win the world title, was that always Bill plan from what you remember, JR? Yeah, yeah, that was pretty simple. Straightforward booking one O one, you know, you had the big monster heel when the title from the number one baby face. And now you need opponents. And cowboys dream was to have Ron Simmons become the first black world heavyweight champion. And so that meant him beaten, Leon had not been beat. So Ron Simmons beats Leon must away Leon beach sting, with his finish. And that's pretty damn, again, smart, straightforward stuff. You said at times, Leon could be a little difficult to deal with. How about when it came to booking decisions like this? Hey, you're gonna lose the title of Ron Simmons. Is that okay, or is that, okay, we gotta talk about this. It might not have been that straightforward, but he always knew the direction we were traveling and what we wanted to do. But he didn't, he didn't get cowboy or anybody else that, you know, he would he's like any talent, Paul. He would resist decision to get you to change your mind. If you didn't change your mind, then he would go, okay, we're gonna do this. All right. Fair enough makes sense when JR, we have the ending, it's Baltimore. It's August 2nd, 1992, Ron Simmons gets the big win. Let's check it out. Ready to go with that short clothesline. Hooks the legs. He's got great power. He's underneath one. He got two and a half a half away from the new heavyweight champion. Finish up white power that time. Looking both Vader's arms. In a near fall situation. Better the ride and right to the face. Another left this time. Again, catching Simmons in the face. Greater measures. What impact from that tree like four? Laying it in, man. Referee. Later says he man the Irish whip. He's got his tail and better too strong. He found this trail was so ready to see a champion. For a 38 right on the chest of Ron Simmons on the air rushes out of the challenger's body. The champion back up. Back in control, this big van Vader. In this hard hitting battle. For the heavyweight championship of the world. Later now in control. And Vader's got him out. Got a Jimmy by Simmons. Sunday Night. Is that second? Around the world. Rob Simmons was a gold around his waist. Buddy, that's goosebumps. That's good stuff. Crowd was so ready. And they make it so we're talking about the crowds all the time and, you know, AEW's got such a great fan base. It's been weeks. I don't even remember the last time we had an event, a televised event that wasn't didn't feel kind of like that. Or you had the crowd solidly behind what was going on, they were paying attention. They were they weren't intimidated by making noise and being themselves. That crowd there was more than ready. There were people crying. I've seen I've seen all kinds of photos, and that's from that event. So cool. Yeah, it's just amazing how they invested in Ron Simmons. But the thing about is that we brought Vader into that title mask, looking unbeatable. He couldn't be touched. Even by the powerhouse Ron Simmons, and then Simmons with Vader's own momentum wins the match with a power bomb. We didn't overthink the finish. It was straightforward. Easy to process, and it made sense. I think that's the key thing. It made sense. And the execution of it. JR and I know I'm going to get some shit for this because that's just what happens, but your soundtrack, your call on that was glorious. I mean, that adds to the moment. We're all excited, hyper, the crowd, the energy, your energy, and by the way, this is like the fourth or 5th clip we've listened to. Do you remember, did you have a sidekick for that car? 'cause I just heard you only that time. I don't know, I don't know what I was thinking that myself. I don't know what the story was in that deal. I'll catch you go back and look it up and all that, but I generally had a partner, somebody, you know, was various guys. Every other clip we listened to, you were with someone different from bob cod to dusty Rhodes to Jesse Ventura, the by yourself. Yeah. That's something else. I can do the solo stuff I need to, but.
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"My God JR. They're right in your freaking lap, dude. They almost hit you a few times. Yeah, that was just being honored because I used those guys. You know, there's four sides to the ring. Go someplace else. You got three other choices. Just get the hell out of here. Those are some big humanity being moved around around us. Anything could have happened. Yeah, I was trying to work with dusty. And that's the head has had fun out there announcing and sometimes I don't think it gets the credit that he deserves. We had some nice outings. At points in time when he was really motivated and it was his head was clearly in the game from broadcasting. He did a hell of a good shot. I enjoyed working with him. I was just sitting there thinking, man, you two together, like you said, when motivated, whatever. That's fun. It's fun to listen to you too and him come off of you and banter off of you and that was some excitement there. I enjoyed that. Yeah, we had a good chemistry, and we liked each other. And that was that always helps me have like and respect for your partner who broadcast partner. I certainly did with dusty and, you know, you got to remember he was coming off a fact of being one of the most celebrated stars in the history of wrestling to do some announcing. And that takes a special kind of personality to be able to readjust and refocus on a new skill set. And does he work very hard to try to do that? Well, Vader looks like a big badass, no doubt about it. First Tom zinc, then they walks off the brawl, the double DQ here with Stan Hansen. He comes back Halloween havoc 91 in a chamber of horrors match. I'm not sure about that one, but then he comes back again in 92 and he's full time now in WCW JR. Was it difficult booking Vader while he's also going through those Japanese commitments? Did you find it was challenging to do that? Well, the dates always stayed pretty firm when we got the dates. So it's just a matter of planning. And we all knew he was part time. We all knew where he was going to be when he wasn't here in WCW at that time. So, you know, it wasn't overwhelming. We knew the rules of engagement before we started. So this is how it was. And we made it work. Do you remember feedback from the guys in the locker room when Vader came in in 92? Did they enjoy working with Leon or any feedback from? Well, there was some trepidations by some because he was so big and he worked a very snug stiff style so there was some trepidation in that respect, but by and large that's a really alarmingly bad at all. And you said it before, but Bill watts had the love Vader, didn't he? Oh yeah, yeah, big rugged athletic heels. Monster heels was right down watch his alley because for years, that's what his MO was in mid south wrestling. He'd bring in killer heels, and he'd work with him. So he had already respected those big athletic guys. Well, Vader's full-time JR, he's on the scene, and you guys decide, let's pair him up with Harley race. Do you remember whose idea it was to pair him up with Harley at this point? I really don't. Somebody on the booking committee, it wasn't a bad idea because number one it got hardy work. And we all loved Harley, and hardly needed to place the land at that point in time. So, and we thought he could help Leon, you know, Leon was a handful sometimes on the road just, you know, being a little moody, so forth, and Harley was all business. And was a real good, part of the best guy because Harley was not intimidated by Vader. Hardly cheers ass out. And when he needed it, and so hardy had no one he wasn't intimidated by Leon, whatsoever. But most people were and I think that's why they got along so well is that Vader developed great respect for hardy race. And knew that, you know, I might be able to beat Harley in a fight. I don't know if that's a guarantee. But I know this. He will fight me if the situation arose. So I thought it was a good pairing, you know, for those guys. It was a handful to manage Leon on the road as he started getting older. That sound like a match made in heaven for Harley and Vader and but man, here we go. It's the first big program for Vader and this is what I remember as a kid watching. It's sting and it's Vader. These guys were so good together, JR. The chemistry, why did it work so well between these two? It's hard to what is chemistry mean. What how do you determine what's good chemistry and what isn't. I don't know if there's an answer to that question. They just had it. And sting was very patient. And courageous, because you get in there and take Leon's best shots, but that's what was going to make the match. And Leon was just a big crazy runaway bull. And saying knew that that had to manifest itself for the match to be completed on schedule, so to speak. So but staying invader just had great chemistry..
"bill watts" Discussed on The Jim Ross Report
"Remember there being. We'll call them notes from tbs at any point about what should or shouldn't be on the program again. Conrado dog go to the book and committee didn't come to. Jr income came here charge. And then they they Treasure that information as if they were special is ridiculous. No i didn't i didn't see any notes. But how the hell how smart you got to figure out your top two stars or shows not gonna get ready want right from from a traditional booking mentality chat me up about the big goal belt when flair left. He took the belt with him. And now these days probably isn't as big of a deal maybe but back then was this considered to be doom and gloom and the old bill watts mentality. Oh you guys it love belts and have this Vanity for titles and there's a lot of guys that like you that click real cool artifacts and memorabilia quitting belts. I never been one of those guys. If i had asked for built All through the years. I was in the business built. You think i'd have house all of all but as it never and i'm not knocking those like yourself that like. Oh it's just not my thing. So i never perceived as a huge issue it was made into a huge issue by The insiders and everybody but in there was a big issue to me. i. I respected a title. Is you know again. You got to understand you know you think a win it. I mean you know. I i hear that in theory but the the the walt disney of wrestling screwed one of the biggest stars he ever had because he didn't want his belt showing up on nitro. So it's a little hard for me to swallow that you didn't think this was a significant story and it only did collectors like me solder. Not i don't use chevy swallowed or you don't swallow it but the bottom line is i didn't belt was not a big deal to me and that's gonna contrary to what you think because your belt guy and that's cool i was. It was a prop.
"bill watts" Discussed on UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra
"To god. The very best thing i can do in life is fine. That minds highlight. That's been the best thing i've ever been able to do. And so since. That is my my biggest gift. I can't do it right. So that's why. I've been since i was seventeen was fine with bill watts. He was undefeated. Champion joe louis. Veneer keita's all these people. Because i love it right. So and plus it's it's been a gift of mine. Don't care people he's actor. He's not really. They're supposed to say that annoy better. But like. I'm a nerd with it. So i love to being fight camps and i mean Any bravo tried to get me up to To Ferguson's camp up in big bay. He actually ferguson. Invited me come up there. But i was working on some but that i would love to be up in big. Bear going over technique with ferguson. It sounds ridiculous. But yeah i to be a striking coach. Anybody like when you think about like. I've been striking with with tommy hearns. Frankie lyles freddie roach. I've been instructing kicking. What about the best. Kicker in the world bill wallace. What do you think over the thirty years. I've known him that. I picked up something. Yes so it does make sense to the layman. It don't make sense. They go is guys are fucking act. Okay whatever but i can i. There's nobody if. I'm in conditioned there's nobody in stand up that i can't hold my own with this. Nobody michael how much. I want to one hundred. I'm usually Right now i'm i'm dropping about to twenty five twenty five. You think like derek lewis and probably cut the to sixty five you get him on those toes of his. And you get moving a little like wallace. Maybe we'll stick to the buck in derek. There's something that i've been seeing about their for so long. That that he's not meeting right is isn't knees. Go in. i was like wow no exploiting that. Because he'd be trapped elect kids and as a first time Shogun exploited that guy. That's a physical impairment. That he now had he needs to these shifted out. Because if it's already in that that moment to shift to be able to check a knee it's too. It's too much because he has the. I get the out there right now..
"bill watts" Discussed on ARN
"A land. If you're out there thank you buddy you for a long long time. And he handled by straw now. I wasn't making that much money to be honest with you. I did not have big years. Pensacola if you look at it. As far as big years. I did not have a big year for sure with with a bill watts so this was going to be eighty. Five would be the first year that i had a pretty big year at it hadn't started quite yet. We're not there yet. I do wanna ask in terms of You know the accountant. Another sound silly and some of our listeners. Probably like oh gosh you're goes conrad the mortgage guy again but are you like turning in receipts and stuff on a monthly basis a quarterly basis. Or you just saving enough and taking them a shoebox at the end of the year. Another thing. I learned everything and spent on the road. You can run off. They couldn't write off your aunt But gas maintenance on your vehicle hotel rooms all that stuff you round it off so every receipt that i got because i didn't qualify for a credit card quite yet Our just pay cash for everything and our take every receipt. And i had twelve of those big manila envelopes january through december and i put every receipt and their god bless and blaine. A mayor got twelve lows. And we're just a bunch of random receipts but you know. I tried to keep them in order. Took a on those paperclips and step them on there so they were semi and order. It was a wasn't is hard for him to figure out what out plus a paid my Cordless which is a big part of it. That's how you didn't get behind. Pay your cordless. Pd's have been a part of wrestling for a long time and I've.
"bill watts" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"The to max is i did set long are to to. We're going to open up with your today. We're going gonna take the east who is. They're they're more heavy hitters will probably spend more time on them. My first notch comes from mid south resting which was one of the many territories. The paul orndorff left a marketing tread the eighties. He were all the major territories from florida to To admit atlantic to georgette to mid Force wwf and inmates at wrestling. He was a part of some great stories angles on the part of their great tv. They had in the early eighties and i found match. Wage was from one of those tv episodes emanating. Of course from the irish mcneil's boys club us all about early eighties. Mid side did on paul orndorff took on an animal of mr olympia and lee. First question for you or you familiar with mr olympia or who he is. I am not familiar with when you say. His name can be tweaked. My head boy am. I actually haven't dog as deep intimate as probably showed. But now tell about mr olympia please. Mr libya Was he had a good run More known as am continent wrestling guy where he wrestled loves career as jerry stoves and he was basically the guy who mentored arn anderson when he got into wrestling and are now under some. What he became was essentially jerry. Stubbs jerry stubbs. I guess an f. I haven't seen a ton of him but every time i've been so impressed and he had a reputation amongst rosters people in the businesses. Just a guy that could have should have been so much bigger. He was an incredible wrestler. Just massively respected. I might've been injuries. The ramey stopped him getting this far ahead in his career as he would have was kinda like arn was he was going to be able to go any further and he created this mo the image of himself on our gone to kind of be the rest of that everyone talks jerry. Steps could be so it was kinda like kinda poetic Has jerry still can really doesn't do a huge amount after save it. I know eighty three eighty four to my knowledge. Kobe ridi wrong on but His definitely early eighties will where he where he keeps the law his best work in he had a very good run here in mid south on. He had a hell of a match on this episode of tv with paul orndorff. It was an eight minute match it. Saying with bill. Watts on commentary Along with boy pearson his flamboyant soups. But you can pretty much say his soda. Commentary lee because bill watts Being the cowboy. He dominated the broadcast. The bill watts style of cowboy was a lot more in your face. Dominant alpha male than the Hammond hey dj version of a cowboy easy nowadays in touch feelings etcetera etcetera. Yeah now the bill. Watts was he dominated this broadcast. He felt the need to talk about v high-level former college athletes that he was playing racket ball last saturday and the different things about that. He was traveling it at the same time. He really is a hell of a job getting across the story of the match. I'm getting across where both guys are asked. And what they're trying to do in this match. It was a really good presentation of tv wrestling Ups from start to finish on a getting somebody. The little things i loved. Badness in a minute just the as view thinkers just to thoughts on what you were saying about. Am bill what anytime i have watched. The it's out and watts has been accommodate. I do find that he does going to take over the weekend. You do only get like little. Bits of whoever may be beside him. But what's again like you say he was talking about this high level college athlete that he was playing racquetball with what had been talking about..
"bill watts" Discussed on Get Up!
"Tough. Check my phone. I might get a text message. Don't listen top just won a super bowl tom. He literally just got off a boat during the trophy like boat to boat. So i'm sure bill wants a little bit more. Come on man like tom. Tom just won a super bowl on sir. Tom wants it just as bad. This is a really tough one. They're both super competitive guys. I'll go bill bill watts. It he wants to hold. That thought. I wanna come back to that. I have a few more questions to get to on this. And we will as we continue but sticking with our new england theme. This is how the sports weekend ended up last night. Red sox yankees sunday night baseball. Take this one of the second. No scores supposed to be a four game series. You know the game. Thursday didn't get played and that's glacier torres smacking a fly ball. Look at alex. Look at the extra. He's climbing that wall after the terrible events of left field for him the other night either way it's a home run yankees. Take a one. Nothing lead bottom seven. Yankees are up three to nothing group. Ned oh door. That one is crushed to run shot and he knows it immediately. Take another look the seat right off. The bat yang is going to win at nine to one. They take two of three in the series. All things considered pretty. Good weekend for the yankees. Meanwhile tonight we'll have another rivalry matchup cubs and cards started. Big four game series coverage starts eight eastern on espn and the espn app. One app one tat carbon up. How did the bucks go down to to being on the brink of a championship. We will ask. Richard jefferson that question. And.
Madonna Criticized Over MTV VMAs Tribute to Aretha Franklin
"But without a doubt, ladies and gentlemen, these father knocker of the week goes to the Queen of soul, a wrestle mania alumni, Aretha Franklin who passed away just a few days ago, a voice from heaven. Amazing presence. And even though Madonna Konadu donor at the ward show that I didn't watch. I read about saw the exert Madonna was about putting over Madonna. He might have been a great idea and they're quote unquote, riders room, this ridicule. Madonna comes back. She's six years old. She's gonna put over Aretha she did put over Raith more on that. The goofy sexes. But our respect and our condolences to the three ends the fans of the Queen of soul who made more than one Mark in a WW environment. And we were sure and our fans nothing, but the very best she was treasurer to listen to the betting. Let me tell you something Aretha lacked her severe Retha Aretha liked being a diva she played her role. She was that was her character. When should miss Franklin came onto the set artery Hirsch run through sound checker, whatever he knew who the Bosh was, and I, I really admire that. She never lost that desire for perfection.