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"bill stirling" Discussed on Everyday Zen Podcast
"But here. Together in this fast human condition. And in our shared one heart. Yvonne Rand Married a second time to bill stirling who died a couple of years ago they lived out in their chicken hut. Retreat. bill they two of them were their together alone and bill guide suddenly of a heart attack right there. In front of her. Yvonne was at this point descending. Into dementia but I also think a no from being with her the other day. There can be cohabitation of dementia and Great Wise Open. mind. I've seen it. Actually, we did the Jesus Jesus dedication at Green Gulch farm. We invited Yvonne to speak. Yvonne who was Had moved into dementia Yvonne got up in front of the crowd and she gave the clearest Armagh talk anybody had ever heard. It blew US away. How can that happen? Were so linear. It's gotta be this or that no, it's a swinging gate. That's what we're practicing. So Yvonne. Looked at bill. She said. I think he's dead. Then she called her daughter. She knew. And of course, later she grieved him, she missed him but she wasn't shocked by death. Because she's been looking at in the eye for a long time the. Birth will end in-depth. Youth will end in old age. Meetings will end in separation wealth will end in loss. All things encyclical existence are transient and impervious. I would go to visit Yvonne. She more and more became an old crone. Herself. Walked slowly, wander down the garden pass wasn't clear to me where we were going at all. We'd study the stones and the plants, and then we'd always end up at the end of the path. That there was this a barn that they had turned into bill had turned into a library and she would open the door, but it wasn't just a library. Yvonne early on, took up the practice of. Contemplating decomposition. And it would be open box after box and trays, and they were all of these. She would ask people to bring road kill to her. And then she would watch them study them in the process of decomposition. In the process of not turning away. The story is apparently that was talking to Wendy Johnson yesterday who witnessed the early parts of how this evolved. This was not so. This did not make her students. Happy. She would when she would do sittings, she would put. These decaying animals on the altar. And Bill would say Yvonne we're having this is before dementia this was very clear thinking or not. Bill would say it. So, here's this an article in enquiring mind I'm GonNa read you little bits about. My experience in the article with another, she would open boxes to reveal a raptor mice and moles, lizards and bats, various kinds of finches, several turtles, snakes, and frogs, toads of Fox magnificent sturgeon, some remains already skeletal and others still rank and in various stages of decree decay. With the baby birds she would say. Notice the incredible transition shapes and structure from bone feather. A whole world of death reveals so much about life. And the structure of being. Don't turn away. We just WanNa look at the good stuff. And it's horrifying. This bad stuff that's happening in the world right now don't sync in it don't move into despair I mean feel what needs to be felt but good heavens let's stop being shocked. Let's keep finding are ground together. That's what Yvonne. taught and is teaching in her living and her dying. That's what we're helping. Each other don't turn away. She says I find the process of these critters deco decomposing remarkable. In many ways this practice grew out of my sitting with people while they died. It really began for me when Suzuki row she got sick and was in his own dying process. I had been Suzuki row secretary and assistant for almost six years. So going through this, dying with him was an extension of the relationship. The two of US already had. That's all. Just next step. all. This world right now it's just an extension of a relationship that we've had with ourselves in the world and each other. From. The moment we call born. To care of his wife as well. Took care of Suzuki she as well as his wife into Suzuki. S. Zucchero she became more and more quiet. All of a sudden arm would appear from under the quilt and he would hold it straight from the air and I knew. That he wanted. Me Yvonne to massage for a little while. If on was doing the same thing the other day it was so sweet. Just, she just leaned forward and let me rub her back. Nothing extra. It was it was it was just it was it was almost animal like and her skin is so soft and warm and she was so. Appreciative just touch just relationship just not going away. Just, here. Zucchero, she was fully present with whatever was happening moment by moment. Cancer, he had is associated with extremely intense pain. Now I don't want WanNa Romanticize this I've seen people I deeply respect zen practitioners and intense pain and there was an intense pain. So there's no right way but with Suzuki row she she never saw him be uncomfortable. He was so present..
"bill stirling" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"Imaging wear woke up with a start at about five. Am on February twenty. Fifth Nineteen Seventy eight. She didn't know why but she just had a bad feeling when she'd gone to bed the night before her son. Ted Wasn't yet home for the night he'd gone to a basketball game in Chico. California with a few friends. It was about an hour away from their home in. Yuba city but she expected him back from the fifty mile. Drive around eleven. I mean maybe midnight at the latest if they decided to stop for a bite to eat or whatever on their way home she knows the only way to calm her nerves is to make sure that Ted is home and in bed where he should be but when she gets to his room she sees that the bed is empty in a low key panic at this point she decided to call Juanita Sterling whose son Bill had gone to the same game with Ted. The night before need tells imaging that her son didn't come home either and that she's actually been up since two worried sick she's already called. Jackman. Drew his mother Melba. Who said the same thing? No sign of her son Jack. Either imaging hangs up and calls Jackie. Hewitt's mother and Jackie's mom says the same thing no Jackie Imaging Center daughter-in-law down the street to talk to the stepfather of the last boy. Gary Matthias by the time the Sun was coming up. It was clear that all five boys were missing. Imaging tries to relax but relaxing is impossible. She knows in her gut. Something is very wrong and she knows that for two reasons burst her son. Ted was scheduled to play in a basketball tournament later that day. Saturday the twenty fifth and to say that he was pumped. It'd be a huge understatement. He laid out his clothes washed shoes and even talking nonstop about this big game winning. It would get his team a week long trip to Los Angeles. He would not miss that game or anything and imaging nuit now. The second reason she knew something was wrong is because Ted's life was very scheduled and very predictable. She knew that he would not had not would never just randomly stay out all night. Ted Always came home and Jackie Jack. Bill and Gary were no different now. I need to stop here and tell you one important thing about these five boys. They're often referred to as both ways but I mean they're not really boys yes like. How old are they? Well for starters. The youngest was twenty four and the oldest was thirty two but their parents and families and the people in their community always referred to them as boys because all five men had intellectual disabilities of some kind. They were all enrolled in this day program for adults their basketball team gateway gators is actually part of that program and all five of them lived at home with their families now physically. They were all healthy very capable and while none of them lived independently most of them function at a relatively high level imaging son. Ted was thirty two and the oldest of the group. He worked for a while as a janitor and as a clerk at a snack bar but at the time of our story he didn't currently have a job. Ted had a heart of gold and he loved to make new friends. He's kind of describe law as childlike. For example Cynthia Gorny wrote a piece for the Washington Post back in nineteen seventy eight and she says that Ted would wave to strangers and he was literally be heartbroken for hours. If they didn't back now. Ted was closest to the youngest of the group twenty four year. Old Jackie Jackie was the most severely disabled of the five. He spent most of his childhood actually in the Napa State Hospital which back then was called the Napa insane asylum. He couldn't read or write or even dial a telephone and he relied a lot on his mother and also his bff Ted now. Jackie was really shy and didn't like being away from home for very long. Definitely not overnight which is why his parents were so worried about him. The Third Man Jack Madrid Aug was thirty and while he to lived at home he was pretty independent. He graduated high school and it spent two years in the army but was said to have had a low. I Q he was one of the only ones in the group that had a driver's license and he had this like nineteen sixty seven turquoise and white mercury. Montego that he was like so proud. I mean God I love his pride and joy and it's actually the car that took the boys to the game and Chico that night now. Jack's closest friend in the group was twenty nine year old bill stirling who left his house that night with fifteen dollars and four different maps of the California area now. Bill had worked for awhile dishwasher but his mother insisted he quit when she found out people were getting him drunk stealing his money at work. They were really taking advantage of him now. Finally the final guy we have in this group is Gary Matthias. He was twenty five years old and a bit of an outlier in this group of guys because he worked for his father's gardening business and before that he'd been in the army like Jack but he was medically discharged due to a psychiatric issue. Unlike the other guys he didn't actually have an intellectual disability at all. He was actually diagnosed with schizophrenia. Had been stable for the last two years. No one is really sure how or why Gary got involved with the gateway projects but he loved it especially their basketball team the gators and he really enjoyed hanging out with the rest of the guys so anyways these are the boys that were talking about these young men. Ted Jackie Jack Bill and Gary and they're all missing. Saturday comes and goes with no word from the boys so finally at eight that evening their parents decide to call the police right away. The sheriff's department puts out an alert asking for the public's help locating these five guys. Big Give a description of Jack's Mercury Montego along with the license plate number but they don't launch into their search right away according to a Sacramento Bee article from nineteen. Seventy eight at this point. They're kind of just watching. I mean remember. These are grown men and while there folks say that it's out of character for them not to come home like the police are a little bit skeptical right but they're alert is an out long when information starts rolling in. They're able to confirm that the guys went to the game in Chico and as a bonus their team actually won. The last known sighting was at a convenience store and she go after the game. This is like just before ten o'clock that night according to the clerk and the clerk says it was memorable because ten. Pm was closing time and the Cork was a little bit annoyed. That these five guys were pulling in right at the end of the night. You know. You're getting ready. Your closing up and the clerk says they buy a bunch of like junky snacks. Candy bars chips that kind of thing and then they left. That's it police. Get another call from a woman who says she saw the guys on Saturday or Sunday. But here's the thing that's interesting. She says that when she saw them they were in a red pickup truck. She said two of them came in to buy food at her store while one went to a phone booth to make a call and the other two state in the truck. But here's the thing I mean beyond this mystery red truck that they're seen in the store that she runs his way up north and like way off the course the boys would have taken to get home from that basketball game so initially police kind or rule out this citing thinking that it's probably not there guys but just then they get a call from dining joe and joe says hey. I think I saw those guys that you're looking for on Friday night. I was driving up this gravel road toward my cabin in the mountains and my car got stuck in the snow and I get out and I'm trying to push it free and in all of this I start having a heart attack. Joe Goes on to tell police that he gets back inside his car with the engine running and the heat on and after a few hours like this sometime between like eleven. Pm and midnight. He says that he starts to hear a whistling sound. So Joe gets out of his car. He looks down the road back behind him down the mountain and about one hundred and fifty feet away. He sees headlights. And what looks like a group of men along with a woman holding a baby? He says they're all outside the car and he can see them in. The glow of Car's headlights.
"bill stirling" Discussed on Happy Hour Gets Weird
"Attack that sucks. Yeah so he recovered. He's fine eventually his car Atta gas so he slept the night in the car survived. Got Out the next morning and went to walk back eight miles down the hill to the lodge you staying at and a hundred and fifty feet away. He found their car in the middle of the road. Empty gone creepy so he was a hundred and fifty feet away from these mass so he was actually close so he could have seen that. It's not out of the question but we just don't know we just don't know okay so nothing came from this guy's tip that couldn't they. They investigated him but didn't find any foul play. It just heartbreaking. That he was a hundred and fifty feet away. Could he have been any help? He was in the middle of a heart attack. Maybe not but if they would have all stayed together till the next morning yes so more than three months went by and no sign of the men. It's as if they walked into a snowy night and vanished into thin air on June fourth of the same year after the snow melted a group of bikers. Were taken a ride in the plumas national forest when they came upon an abandoned for a service outpost as they pulled up. They noticed that a window had been broken out and they were suddenly overtaken by the strong smell of death and the call. The police tree crews spent half a day clearing trees from the road just to get to the abandoned trailer. Once they entered they found empty cans of food. Wood furniture extra clothing. Books and Ted Weirs Body. Candles had been recently lit and thirty one cans of food were found open and Eaton. They actually were opened with an army. P thirty eight can opener which needs a certain expertise to use expertise only Gary Matthias and Jack macdougall. Who were both in the army would have had? Ted's leather shoes were missing and Gerry's tennis shoes were found inside the trailer Mrs heartbreaking. It is because Jerry's tennis shoes were found inside the trailer that led investigators to believe that Gary was inside the trailer long enough to switch shoes. So Ted was the only one found at this point. He was the only one in the trailer and he was found laying on a bed covered under eight sheets with his arms on his chest. Eight sheets he had. He was covered with eight sheets covered up with eight sheets. He had his pants pulled up to his knees. His ring inscribed with Ted was on the nightstand also along with his wallet and also a gold. Watch that none of the parents recognized now. They did a analysis of Ted's beard hair and they found that the growth he had been there for at least six weeks in that trailer like his. He had been alive at least for six weeks after they went missing. Because that's how long has beard had grown? They also noticed that he had lost a considerable amount of weight. He was at least two hundred pounds when he went missing he had lost eighty two hundred pounds. Oh my God And he had. They found that he had died. From basically exposure he had blood poisoning from Frostbite which led to gangrene which lead to lead poisoning and he lost five toes at that point when God yeah terrible. Terrible terrible way to die. So let's talk about this trailer and this forced outpost for a little bit okay because I do think it's important now at this outpost. They found that Ted had died from exposure and he had covered up with eight sheets but there was plenty of material to burn in that trailer to start a fire and they. They found no evidence at any point. Had He tried to start a fire for warmth. Also there was never a fire set at all in in the trailer. For there was books there was paper. There was clothing there was would there was stuff was there. Fire starter material. Was there a lighter or matches? I believe so. It didn't say specifically but it was a fully stocked trailer. Also there was a propane tank that could have been hooked up to a heater to the trailer. That was never hooked up. Now you have to consider who these men were. Who had was it. It said that Ted didn't have common sense and also setting up a propane tank and doing all of that was probably just out of his scope. Yeah Frantic he was clarified. He was sick. He probably wouldn't even considered setting up a propane tank. I can't really blame them for that. I would. I consider setting up a private. We wouldn't either. I'm not sure I probably wouldn't either. I'd probably just try to start a fire. Yeah so now also. There was two containers at this outpost. One of the containers had been broken into which contain the canned food that they found in the trailer He had gone through the canned food. The sadly the container next to it wasn't opened it wasn't broken into it contained enough food to sustain all five men for at least a year. That's awful so there's a lot of speculation about you know whether they had the common sense or awareness to hook up the propane tank About the food. They're family sad that they were the type of men who wouldn't willingly touch something that didn't belong to them so there is a kind of a speculation saying that. Okay maybe they just felt that they were breaking and entering and it was you know it was really black and white like those were against the rules. Breaking into someone's belong as against the rules. We're not GONNA do that. Maybe they were delirious and just missed it maybe. They thought that they checked everywhere and MR SPA and didn't see the food. Maybe they didn't realize what the food was because by then they were so exhausted and hungry and cold and sick that they didn't realize what they were looking at. Yeah I tend to think that maybe they just you know tough. Conditions it snowy. You're starving you hire scared you're you have frostbite. Yeah you know it's would. I have the awareness to break into everything. I'm not sure I don't know I don't know either. It's easy to say like white and they do this or I would have done that. But until you're in that situation and you're suffering in these ways and you're going through these extreme circumstances you really don't know absolutely. I think you know even being on the I'm not in the position to diagnose anyone by any means I just have a hunch because I have a brother WHO's autistic. He's on the spectrum. He's very high functioning and his just seeming like a lot of these men might have been on the spectrum and just had not been diagnosed yet. Or you know maybe thirty years later. They would bank diagnosed or today say they would've been diagnosed on the spectrum. But you know I'm thinking at some point I think with survival kick in like the will to live with it kick in. I don't know I quit for me. I don't even know so. I think putting their diagnosis or their mental disabilities aside. I don't think anybody would know what to do in that situation until they're in that situation exactly and maybe you hire a great point. Maybe there was no access to a fire starter. Yeah they didn't. Hook up the propane so they didn't have. I don't even know if I would honestly trust myself to hook up or painting to a trailer. I can barely trust myself to hook up a propane tank to a fucking Barbara. Yeah I know and half the time like I gonNA blow up right now. I mean blow knew about. I know it sounds ridiculous but in if you're already terrified you don't WanNa add any sort of unknown element to your situation. Exactly like people will always choose the double that they know exactly exactly and I'm thinking might have literally half of my toes or frozen off. Am I going to outside again? Yeah fuck no no so jack. Muga and Bill Stirling were found two days later eight miles closer to the car my God. Oh so and by the way this trailer camp. This Forest Service camp was nearly twenty miles from their car. It was nineteen point six miles from their car so they had walked. At least Ted had walked nineteen point six miles from their car to this outpost which had to take days. Yeah there's no there's no way that was a straight line either no Jack Maduga and bill stirling found two days later eight miles closer to the car. On opposite sides of the road nothing but scattered bones were left of bill and Jack Madrid goes body was dragged to a nearby stream by animals. His car keys were still in his pants. Pocket it was determined hypothermia slash exposure was caused was the cause of death for Jack. Maju got bill sterling's death couldn't be determined because of the state up his remains. So what I WANNA know is did they all make it to the trailer and then Jack and bill decided to walk back to the car because Jack was the only one who could drive out of well one of the only ones who could drive out of the groups. Oh did they all make it to the trailer in Ted said? I'm good here. You go back to the car and then they just never made it back to the car or did they stop on the way to the trailer and we'll never know there was no other evidence in except for the one shoes. Yeah so Jack Hewitt. Other boy that they The other man. Excuse me that they hadn't found yet. They were still. The search party was still on because at this point. They're looking for Jack Hewitt and Gary Mathias Jack. Hewitt's father was warned not to help investigators on the rescue mission but on June eighth. He saw what he thought. Appear to be Jack's jacket near the trailer. When he went to pick up the jacket Jack Spine fell out. Oh my God Jack was awful. It terrible terrible Jack Hewitt was later identified by his skull and teeth found about fifty feet near his jacket in spine so by June eighth. Four of the five men had been found. I just can't imagine what these families and these parents were going through. This is the worst case scenario. It is a worst case as a parent. I just I empathize with them so deeply. This is just tragic. It is horrible it is horrible. Gary Matthias is still missing to this day. They never found his body. They never found him alive. They never found his remains nothing. It isn't known why they drove there where they were going or what they were doing to this day. So obviously we have one man. S not found. And that is Gary. And we'RE GONNA look into Gary a little bit because some of the theories of why this happened have to deal with Gerry. Matthias and these are just theories are just theories. These are just theories now the Article a lot about Gary was in the article which I'm assuming got from the evidence and it suggests my assumption only because the article was I. I'd say the prevailing theory was that Gary Matthias had something to do with this because he was a little bit different than the other men. So the four men. Bill Jack Hewitt Jack.
"bill stirling" Discussed on Happy Hour Gets Weird
"So he jack could manage his own finances. He was actually a truck driver in the army from sixty six sixty eight and he was one of two of the men who had a driver's license and Jack Actually owned a car. Wow Yeah and that brings us to the fifth and final member is Gary Matthias. He was twenty five and he was a singer in a local band. He played football at Marysville high school in the sixties and he also served in the army He had his driver's license and he worked as an assistant. Gardener his step-dad landscaping business. So we have Ted Jack Hewitt Bill Stirling Jack macdougall and Gary Matthias. Those are the five men who disappeared okay. The boys loved basketball. They played in the Special Olympics and also followed college basketball and impressive. Yeah they met through the Program they were in and that's how they got into playing basketball for their Special Olympics. Actually wow so the night of the disappearance. They went to Chico to watch their favorite basketball team. The UC Davis Basketball Team Verses Chico Basketball Team. The men's parents had tried to discourage them from going to the game and Chico because they had an early basketball game in Rocklin the next morning which they weren't GonNa Miss It was through the program. It was part of the Special Olympics and I even think that there was supposed to be a celebrity guest there. Oh so is a big deal. It was a big deal and they would not have missed it but the men were determined to go see their favorite team. Play stay went and they saw the game. Uc Davis one thirteen one and after watching. Uc Davis beat. She goes state and just before ten PM. They stopped at popular convenience store in Chico and loaded up on snacks for the ride home. This was the last time that anyone would see them alive by the early morning hours of Saturday February twenty fifth the morning after they left for Chico. All the boys parents were extremely worried. They started to call one another and ask if the boys were at each other's homes and when they all realize that the boys weren't there they contacted the police and the search got underway now. Police campus the route from Marysville Chico. And Go back to Marysville and this route was only what would you say forty miles an hour drive host yet and it's a straight shot north. Yes on than easy. Drive up ninety nine yes right or seventy either way seventy to ninety nine if you're from. Marysville okay so they took seventy to ninety nine for Marysville to Chico and it's a straight shot simple highway yes. Police put out broadcast throughout northern California with men's pictures and the circumstances of which they disappeared. The search effort produced no leads then on February Twenty Eighth Jack Madrid Gez nineteen sixty seven. Mercury Montego was found by the US Forest Service worker. It was parked at the snow line. Forty miles east of Chico in the foothills of Orville in the Plumas National Forest. The car was empty except for snack wrappers and a quarter tank of gas. Investigators didn't find the keys but when they hot wired it started right up which means with the keys. It would have started right up. Yes it didn't appear to be stuck Because it was in the snow but it didn't appear to be unmovable and even if it was slightly stuck there were five strong strong men that could have dug it out. I'm sure helped. Get it out. Yes one thing to know the car. Jacks Pride and joy was fairly undamaged which was interesting to investigators because it was a heavy car and it was loaded with five guys in fine five grown men inside the car which weighed it down. Even more on the road was mostly traveled by logging trucks which led investigators to wonder if whoever was driving new the road. Well enough not to damage the car on a dark. Bumpy Road not particularly built for low cars. Which seems like I mean. Have you ever? I'm sure you've driven on a logging truck before it beat the hell out of your car if it's not a high profile car you mean on a logging road a day logging trucks but I liked it. I always ride logging trucks for one and for two I have driven on a road that was frequented by Logging trucks and it was terrifying on my way to truckee The road was so whiny and it was snowy and these huge logging trucks were riding beside me hogging up this tiny winding road and I hate it. Yeah they're full usually dirt heavily rutted. There's usually stones and rock. There's washouts yeah. It's wherever they're bringing the trees back from. It's not a it's not pay. It's not easy access. Yeah the weird thing about this is Jack. Never let anyone drive his car. But Jack's parents also said that he didn't have any particular draw to this road or this area. He didn't know anyone in the area and he wasn't familiar with it. They basically drove forty miles in the wrong direction. Right in a way that had to be intentional. There's no way that you could do this on accident. You couldn't make five wrong. Turns IN UP HERE. It's like it's very strange. So and they also had maps right. It's weird and it's only gonNA get weirder claim. Investigators immediately started looking for the five sifting through snowbanks dogs. Horses helicopters all turned up. Nothing more than six thousand combined hours spent searching so. I looked this up because I was interested and I was like okay. You have these scent dogs. Obviously they're like noses are a million times better than humans But does know exactly. That was my question so snow. If it was a newly fallen snow it could have dampered the scent of the men which it was snowy that makes sense. Because I know that you can't track in water either YEP so you Sometimes and also in warm environments it's easier for the scent to linger. It's like a stronger. Makes it? Louder quote unveiled louder. If you will the sent to the dogs But in colder and vitamer environments it can be tougher to track ascent specially newly fallen snow. Oh Man so. It was like the worst case scenario to go missing right right now. I know where this is. I've been to this area before I used to go Nearly every year and cut down a Christmas tree up on these logging off these logging roads. it's pretty far out there and he deleted yet totally isolated and in the opposite direction. They were going and it's not like we said before a really road that you would take by accident. You're also familiar with this area right a little bit. Yahoo used to go bucks lake yes. I'm semi kinda familiar with books like I mean. It is kind of weird that I would say. Three out of the five men didn't prefer camping or the Wilderness and they end up on this snowy logging road on your way to Bucks Lake. Yeah right yeah. The only reason to really take that road is to go to books like but the people in this situation didn't have any reason to want to go to Bucks Leo. There were actually like anti nature. Yeah so it seems. It's it's like why. Why did they just want to find the guy at the convenience store or somebody that they sat next to it? The basketball game. Well the guy at the convenience store clearly remembers them because they were kind of rowdy they had just come off away picture them very like tall too because they're basketball players and just happy and having a great time. Yeah they were. He said that they were rambunctious. He actually think remembered being annoyed because they were so excited. They had come in. You know this group of big old guys. Their favorite team just one. They're heading back down in Marysville and they're gonNA get up in the morning and they're stoke yeah and he just like get your sacks and go on and get but he's specifically for them and he didn't overhear them. He couldn't give any more clues other than they were. They're getting snacks. Gosh it's so frustrating. I know at this. So at this point investigators were desperate to find the men. They even consulted a psychic. The Psychic said she saw bodies in green canvas bags and next they consulted a doubter or a water witch but A body witcher so someone hit. Yeah so someone who finds water with a Magical Ron. They also can use that to find bodies or gravesites. Okay Future episode idea. Yeah we've done psychic solving crimes. We have not done water. Witcher's or body Witter's Oh my gosh. This is fascinating either. They're known as dowager. Oh like the dowsing Rod. Yeah okay well. Wow so they brought in this man who Had A magical rod and His Majesty. I can't say magical rod without thinking were twelve years old. Yeah seriously sorry for the penis jokes. It's happy hour penis. Jokes are gonNA lock can happen. Yes so his magical. Rod pointed to an empty cabin with. No I'm trying to get through this sentence and be serious one more time for good measure his magical. Rod pointed to an empty cabin but it led to no clues strangely. A tip came in from a man who said he was scouting campsite the night. The boys drove up so he was staying in a lodge that was oh about eight miles down the hill from where the car was found and he drove up from that lodge the same night. The boys were there. He said he was scouting campsite for his wife and his daughter for the next weekend at night. Which is the best time to find a campground? Right if you're midnight that's doesn't make any sense but okay right well. I mean. It didn't didn't specify what time he originally started. But by the time it got dark he was stuck in the snow and he went to get out of his car to push it and how to fuck and heart attack. This guy is the unluckiest man alive seriously so he had a heart attack and then he couldn't push his car out of the snow because clearly are yeah so we got back in his car and he left it running with the heater on trying to wait out his heart attack and not die so he said that while he was in his car he saw six or seven shadowy shadowy figures are outside of his car and he said that he called out for help twice but when he did that he said the figures went still and turned off their lights. So I don't know if it was headlight or flashlights. I don't think the men had flashlights with them. So maybe it was headlights but also he admitted to having hallucinations from the heart attack. Like a symptom from a heart attack could be hallucinations. I was going to ask that if you have a heart attack. Are you really the best I witnessed? Probably not no. I don't think so he he. I think it can induce some kind of hallucinations because he also said that he saw five men figures with a woman and a baby that night on that road weird yes but nothing ever came from his tip and they actually doctors police had doctors do an Ekg to To prove if he did have a heart attack and in fact he did have a heart..
"bill stirling" Discussed on Happy Hour Gets Weird
"Hi Welcome back this week. Hi guys or welcome or welcome if you're new here. I'm Casey. I'm tiffany and this is happy. Hour Gas Weird where podcasts where we talk about Weird Shit and drink good. Shit yes exactly. I love that so And we are back again this week with a missing persons case another true crime another to crime and this week we decided to I've kind of always been a fan of Martini. Dirty Martini so I was I. Why don't we just go wild and have a dirty Martini? So we made dirty MARTINIS. And that's what we're sipping on this episode and they are Delicious Delicious Salty. Yummy strong amazing. Yes I am going to swell three times. My normal size By tomorrow morning but it is worth it. There is a lot of olive juice in these. Yeah and if you're interested in our recipe find us on instagram. Yeah we always post our picture drink pictures and our recipes on instagram. Happy hour gets weird. Pod Is our handle also on twitter. I think you could just search us on twitter correct. 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Yeah we still always drive to be as accurate as possible especially when it comes to true crime right which take more seriously than some of our other more topics. Excuse me speak for yourself. I take bigfoot and aliens very serious take them very seriously too but if I accidentally call big foot by the wrong name not gonNA fill is bad. Yeah I mean big Peter People too but hey I are they people. That's another episode. I don't WanNa get into this with you right now. Let's start a fight before the episode. Okay so I think I would. At the time I thought mistakenly called him an atop dodd And and that was that was actually the correct name so his name was actually natade Corona. Yes and we put that on our instagram photos that we put up. So yeah so okay. Well thank you for that apology. I will gladly accept it next time. No apologies for me. You should throw that in my phone and only apology. No matter no matter how many times I'm wrong you get one. I'll take that one and you should throw that drink in my face but then you'd waste the drink. Yeah I would never do that. 'cause it's too delicious all right so on that note. Let's get into this. It is a weird case this week. It's weird it's bizarre. You know I have a thing for missing persons. I find them so fascinating. Just because it's like where the fuck did they go and it's local. It is local that is true it is a local case. So I'm going to start off with my sources Journalists Benji a goal from the Sacramento. Bee did a wonderful two part article By the name of out in the cold for mentally disabled man died in the woods. But what happened to the fifth so I use that for my main source and then wikipedia just like we normally do check the time line and other bits. That may be the article. Didn't cover like I said this is a is a weird case and not a lot of people know about it even an I. I don't really know why we can talk about that at the end. But with this case even when you think you get answers you'll only be left with more questions. It still considered unsolved and remains open to this day. The current Yuba County Sheriff's department. Let Benji Eagle from the sack. Be Look at all the evidence as long as he didn't take any or take pictures so the main source from this article that he wrote the two part series in this act be was based on the evidence that is still with the Yuba County Sheriff's department. That's amazing that he had access to that. Yeah so I'm actually. This was a a wonderful article. Obviously I didn't cover everything. I suggest reading it if you're interested in this case because it it's a it's a wonderfully written article and I'm GonNa Start with his opening to that article. I'm GonNa read his opening because it's just so good. A Northern California drought broke hard in February. Nineteen seventy eight blanketing rural areas of the state in sheets of snow as if Yuba County residents needed another reason to stay inside radios and TV's were spewing real life crime drama. I with filmmaker Roman Polanski's escaped to France in the face of an impending statutory rape sentencing. Then when a murder suspect that went by the name of Ted Bundy was arrested in Florida after twice escaping from Colorado authorities and by the end of the month the grisly story dominating the Airways was one from their own backyard. I don't know if you've heard ten buddy. Nope never heard of him or Roman Polanski. Okay so exactly. Forty two years ago almost to the day yesterday yesterday it was to the day but today's not yesterday so almost to the day we've done that twice in a row now and it's so crazy wild in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight. A mysterious disappearance of five men rock the small town of Marysville California which is located just forty miles north of Sacramento. The town the police and their families referred to the five men who ranged from early twenties to early thirties. As the boys the five men were all developmentally delayed or mentally handicapped in some ways so during this episode all refer to them sometimes as the boys and sometimes as the men they were technically in age men but maybe mentally by their friends and family were considered the boys just because they were developmentally delayed in some way one way or another. That's also kind of a term of endearment. Yeah it is I felt like it was. It was term of endearment children. It wasn't a the boys and a belittling way was like the good old boy. The boys the boys met through Gateway Project an organization for adults with special needs. They became fast friends. And we're inseparable most of the time. Here's a quote from Jack. Beecham the under sheriff in Nineteen. Seventy eight. They were kind of described as studs of their community. You know the special needs folks. They were athletic very well liked and very well respected. They were nice kids. Nice people so I'm going to get into a little bit about who the boys were and their background. So we'll start off with Ted. We're WHO's thirty two? He loved making friends. He was very social and according to his but according to his family he lacked basic common sense so for example one time he spent one hundred dollars on pencils for no apparent reason. He just bought one hundred dollars. Worth of pencils probably really cool pencils is defense. I mean I think they must've been you remember those holographic ones with Indiana racer about. That's what I think they were. He would question simple instructions like stopping at a stop sign or one time. His parents house caught on fire when they were all sleeping. And as the roof burn above him Ted late in bed watching the flames and when his brother Dallas went into try to get him out of bed. He said leave me alone. I have to rest for work tomorrow. Not really aware as angel. Yeah that was GONNA burn his house down and him. Dallas ended up dragging him from the house And he was okay they were all okay but he would also do things like wake up in the middle of the night and wake up his brother and ask things like why can mickey mantle hit a ball farther than me and one thing about each of these men Is there was not an official diagnosis in the news report? So I I don't know it was but for the time of like the blanket. Diagnosis of just like slow. A lot of few of these boys sound like they're on the autistic spectrum before autism was a diagnosed thing So this is back in the seventies. So maybe I don't think really autism was a diagnosis then. Probably not. And that brings us to Jack Hewitt Twenty Four. He was the most severely handicapped out of the group. His father said he couldn't read he couldn't right and he relied heavily on his mother and his best friend. Ted for help. He didn't like to be away from home. For extended periods of time especially not overnight actually had a heavy speech impediment and didn't really like to be without his mom and next we have bill stirling twenty nine he used to be a dishwasher at Beale Air Force Base but. His mother made him quit once she found out that the airmen were routinely getting him drunk so they could steal his money. Rude very rude. Just get drunk. You don't need to still money Dr Nice. Yeah just junk. Exactly so bill. His family had a cabin at Bucks Lake in the Plumas National Forest and he would go there fishing with his family And they would you know take annual trips there but after a while. He didn't like the forest he didn't like being out in the Wilderness. He didn't like fishing really so he started to stay home after they when they would go on their annual trips just because he didn't really let camping or staying at the cabin so the night he banished. He had fifteen dollars allowance. A map of California a map of Sacramento a map of Stockton and a map of San Francisco on his percent. Well prepared Yes for anything really and it sounds crazy to say that now but back then. If you didn't know where you're going you had a map. Yeah maybe he just liked to hit. It was his way of controlling. His environment is to keep maps on his person just in K. just in case but you would definitely need them for directions. You couldn't just look it up while you were driving cap google. Yeah whereas I don't know where is the Plumas National Forest and that brings us to Jack? Madridl thirty he worked as a dishwasher at sense wheat growers a local dried fruit company. And I'M ANA use direct quotes from the article. That family members told police quote not mentally retarded in the common sense of retardation merely slow in his thought process and quote. Obviously that we don't use those words anymore..
"bill stirling" Discussed on Happy Hour Gets Weird
"Is what they found inside the trailer God. Now they found. Recently Split Candle thirty-one Kansas food that were pried open in eaten And they were opened with a very specific kind of can opener. Army P thirty eight can opener opener. which needs you kind of have to have experience with it to use it experience only mcdouga- who was a driver waiver from sixty six to sixty eight and Matthias was also in the army Those would have had experienced. Open the cans using can opener. Ted's leather shoes were missing. And Gary Matthias is tennis. Shoes were found inside the trailer leading investigators to believe that at least east. Gary Matthias was at some point inside the trailer. We've tad long enough to switch shoes okay. So they're thinking maybe Tad's leather I was GONNA lay down. My face. WAS MAYBE GONNA walk for help. He attended shoes had leather shoes. That were more sturdy against snow. Some mayday switch shoes. There is only evidence of those to the trailer. Yes so now. A lot of people think this is strange but if you really think about Out who these boys were. These men were and the situation they were in like a survival situation and their families have a lot of them lacked. Common Sense It kind of makes sense so they found the locker. There's two lockers. One locker full of the cancer that they had already opened for another lock was full of light. Dehydrated food They last a year could eat for a year that it that lock wasn't even open. Wow that's sad god yes and then also there was gas connected to the trailer so they could have turned the heat on and there was also books to burn learn furniture to burn material. Start a fire and they did have access to a lighter fire and none of that was burned. So people like a widen. They do that but you have to think if someone you know first of all if they don't have to get out of a run building. Yeah that makes sense. That is just kind of heartbreaking that they actually had the means for survival that they needed for fertile at least until they were found in June. But yeah I mean I agree what you're saying with with what you're saying it's like these men lacked these kind of basic Skills for survival and I have to put myself in that position. They're scared so they're even less scared. They're confused disoriented. The come upon honest trailer that seems to be locked. Maybe and who knows how long it took for them to even get from their car to their they could have been wandering around for so long and then found it. It's not like they just walked from their car directly there. Yeah I have to put myself in that position like in that situation and I find it abandoned trailer. Would I know to turn the gas on. Do I even know how to do that. I would probably blow myself up if I turn on gas. I would just probably like light a fire in the sink or something to get warm like I wouldn't even think about I write for show The dehydrated food thing is sad though it really is. There was enough food for all of them to survive a year. walking on snow though and the guy had they were out there obviously long enough for the guy to have frostbite so I mean they could have all been very sick at that point. Too dehydrated disoriented mean okay. So that was ted. We're yeah withdrew data and sterling being so Jack mcdouga- who owned the car and bill stirling. Who didn't lead campaign From Bucks Lake they were found two days later. Eight miles closer closer to the car and on opposite sides of the road so they were found closer to the car one was on one side of the road any other was on the other side right so they were separated operated. They weren't together the two boy the the two boys were not like they weren't found together. They were found opposite. Sides of the road So off to one side and the other side Nothing but scattered bones were left to sterling's body and bad withdrew. His body had been dragged to a nearby stream by animals. His car keys were still in his pocket and it was turned the hype. Hypothermia exposure was the cause of death for Jack with Jack Mateus death and sterling's positive was never determined and because he was clearly on scavenged by animal. Yeah so we have now ted We're here we have Jack Magenta and have bill stirling. So there's two more we have Jack Hewitt Missing in Gary Thaddeus Jackson Hewitt Father Jat Hewitt's father was warned not to help investigators on the recovery mission but on June a we saw what appeared to be his son's jacket near the Outside near the trailer and when he reached down to pick it up Jackson fell out if he was later identified his school in his teeth that were found nearby so he was just outside of the trailer dead. Yeah So by June eighth four of five men had been found and Gary Matthias is still missing to this day they never found Gary Matthias It's not no. Why drove their what they were doing? They have none of those boys. were familiar to the area. And they had no reason to be up there area and they had every reason to drive home to Marysville so that's basically the story of the Yuba county five This story is kind of drives me crazy. There are so many you you have so many questions over some theories. Okay I did want to just leave a cliffhanger like that. Yeah he's going to be because they're just his theories. Yeah so doesn't this make you wanna like go and find their friends and be like did they say anything did they say. They wanted to run away. Do they say they knew about this trailer and they wanted to try to live there like I knew about the trailer. I don't think I don't think they did either. Because they had so much exposure from the from the boy boy that was in the trailer had so much exposure if they knew about it they would have just gone directly there so the only thing big thing when they got for whatever reason brought them there survey thing they don't know they sat in the car for a long time and then decided to walk like the car was stuck so they decided to walk now. There had been a plow recently recently. So they're like a little okay so it's like a wall yeah. They don't think that they think maybe they saw this plough road like go off and they decided like hey. Hey that's road maybe it will lead somewhere Of some maybe. That's why they started walking to get out they don't anyways so some of the theories Now the article has to be was a two part article and I basically summarized part one part two was basically the author author of that article insinuating Gary Matthias. Yes the one has never been found. Yeah a kind of insinuated. Eighteen insinuate just lightly led to the conclusion that maybe he had something to do with it whether weather was ill intentions or what But Matthias was a diagnosed purely schizophrenic. He was set apart from the other guard by grace. said he had had run-ins with the law. He spent most of his Childhood in that Napa Sane Insane insane asylum Now it's called Napa State Hospital but it's not one right on the Have you ever been to NAPA If that one right there on I biggest one twelve game for that big. I could see why people are kind of OK. Okay he escaped. Oh okay place. And he hits back to Marysville still wearing his you know for his medical close people gave him a ride. People were like. Here's a guy wearing hospital close. Yeah outside of the state. Yeah yeah facilities. Let's pick. Let's pick him up. Yeah he joined the army. How come people were just in the seventies hitchhiking and they're just like hitchhiking? Lets everybody ready. Do It pick up anybody. I'm twelve. I'm going to Hitchhike. I don't understand the seventies were crazy. He joined the army and then he went awol from the army and when he was captured and he was waiting to be transferred. He stripped down in his cell and waited for the police committee. Get Him and when he did he jumped out completely naked and punch one of them in the face. Okay so he there's a pattern of running away away in doing not the best things. He attacked his cousin's wife and tried to sexually assault her because he wanted to kiss. His cousin walked in on him on top of her he moved to Oregon at one point and ceased contact with his parents and then should have on our doorstep a year later a shambles claiming that he walked all the way from Oregon to Marysville Oh my God but he could hitch from Napa. Okay he walked were but it tight from so so he does have a history of violent behavior and violent behavior running away yes bad choices. Yes so so. He went on and off his medications so he his family said that if he felt like he was doing good. He'll go off his medication and then he was not about medication. More unexcused he would spiral and then he would eventually get in trouble. Start acting out having bits of who saination in psychosis and then he would be back on that occasion and he do good and then he would get off and so that one mm fury that he just was like about apple and took advantage of these guys and brought them up there for some reason to take advantage of them and then disappeared. Yeah but the Shera. Actually Sheriff Beecham disagrees with that theory. He said. Trust him. Mathias would papa. He's we would have found by now. He's diagnosed as schizophrenic. He needs his medication and he would eventually show up in the system. Someone exactly even. If he didn't go home he would have been arrested for something and he would have been found. Yes so another other theory is that but thias was behind them going there but it was not ill. Intent key was having an episode. And he he was. He led them up to that mountain for whatever reason because of hallucinations and then they were up there. They were stock and tried to survive an image. It just went wrong. Yeah they were killed from exposure because they just lack the basic skills I mean that makes sense if he was having an episode and he was persuading them to all go and they were maybe they were just like okay. You know. We don't WanNA fight with you. Okay yeah I mean they're all good natured easygoing guys and they don't want to have conflict with this guy that's kind of more intense probably scarier because he has a history of violence right right so they're probably a little bit intimidated by him right and I could see that lake ten and he was kind of in the group but Reading the second part of the article all of their their parents were very concerned that he was part of the group because he seemed to be a little bit more dangerous. Yeah a little bit more violent at a little bit more bad news. What do you think happened izing? If I had to pick a fury that would be my theory is maybe he was having an episode and he for whatever. The reason is having hallucinations that led them up to that mountain. And then unfortunately they just succumb to the elements. There is another theory that the man with the heart attack had something thing to do with their disappearance But it just never been proven that he really did have a heart attack right so yeah. I mean that's weird strange. I I guess we'll coincidence. Yeah there at the same time in the middle of the night scouting out. A camps scouting campsite is code for like Meth and a blowjob or something. I think he was like a meeting. Somebody up there to do drugs and get laid out a heart attack. I just because you can't scout a campground at night. I mean maybe the details. It's so long ago the details and I did go back to the original articles So maybe he went up there. Apparently six o'clock and then had a heart attack at nine o'clock and then we still up there at twelve o'clock now that's true. I guess I shouldn't assume he's a horrible person so I'll give him the benefit. I doubt that he was just really bad scouting campgrounds. I think if they were to look far enough enough Gary Matthias maybe got pretty far. He got Ya farther than any of he just finally succumbed to the elements. So he's out there in the plumas national forest somewhere. I just. It's so easy for a body to not ever be found. Yeah and it was deep in the forest and it's very remote area. Yeah and if they got nineteen miles. That's far in the snow right..
"bill stirling" Discussed on Unexplained
"This is unexplained. And you're listening to the second final installment of season. Full episodes seven cold to the forest. Of scaring everywhere within a five mile radius of the abandoned. Mercury montego. The Yuba county sheriff's office had found nothing. By the end of the day. However, they would have their first significantly. It came from a man named Joseph showns. Around five fifty pm on Friday, February twenty four the night to five men went missing shuns was making his way into plumas national forest along the aura Ville two Quincy road fifty five year old shuns had been checking to see if the road would be accessible for a trip. He planned to take that weekend when his votes Balkan bug got suddenly stuck in the snow after trying unsuccessfully to push out shuns felt a painful tightening in his chest. And immediately got back inside the vehicle to catch his breath. Unbeknownst to him at the time. He had suffered mild heart today. Being in such discomfort. He decided his best hope is to keep the engine running and try to stay warm until it passed. Or until someone else came by who could help. Drifting in and out of consciousness as the pain in his chest. Intensified? It was about to living thirty PM when shown was startled awake. By what he took to be two sets of headlights driving in from behind him one belonging to a car and the other two a pickup truck. My now unable to move. He could only watch desperation is the light passed him by and disappeared around the next bend. Thirty minutes later after hearing what he thought would people whistling nearby, showings, gathered the strength to investigate. Stumbling along the Dr he followed what he now to be voices until he came across a car seemingly parked up by the road and a number of silhouetted figures moving about in front of its headlights. Later described one of them as possibly being a woman who is carrying a baby with all the other figures being men. Jones called out for help talking ceased immediately. Moments later, the headlights switched off. Plunged into compete darkness. Shone angrily called out again the help but got no response. Suddenly feeling a little exposed swifty turned around and headed back to his car. A short time later he called science to Bhatia seemed to be the beams of flashlights. Moving about in the forest around him calling out once more for help. He could only watch and desperation as one by one. The beams of light was switched off in response when shown its engine eventually cut out at four AM he had little choice, but destroy count for the nearest inhabited place that he could find. Remembering the vehicle he had seen from the night before he decided first to check if it was still there. Sure, not just where it had been the night before he found what he could see then was a turquoise, but Curie Montego, but no sign of its previous occupants anyway. Despite suffering from a heart attack time Joseph shown, eventually will five miles to a nearby lodge house from where he was laid to take an home whites manager. When explaining to the police later, although there was little doubt. He had seen the abandoned car Shawn's cautioned that since he wasn't entirely lucid at the time. Not everything he thought he had seen could be trusted. The way it was certainly something to go on. What's more fifty five year old, man? Suffering a heart attack was able to walk five miles down the road to safety was reason to hope that the five men from Yuba county, Bill Stirling Chakma Druba. Check Hewitt, Ted. We her and Gary Matthias could have done the same. Provided. They were indeed the men that shown at scene. Undersheriff check Beecham received another break shortly after when a print dusting of the car revealed. No other marks inside apart. From those belonging to the missing men, though. It wasn't conclusive. It seemed to suggest at least that the car, but not been stolen. By the end of that first day nine inches of snow fell across the plumas national forest region further complicating the search buoyed by Shawn's witness statement. However, the various local sheriff's departments expanded their search to his forest bucks lake some twenty miles up the road from where the car was found. Having discovered that Bill. Sterling's family owned a cabin near the lake. There was a chance that the men might have tried to reach it. But again, no footprints clothing or any other sign of them could be found. Back in the Yuba city area. The families of the missing tripled by worry continued to wait helplessly for any sign of their sons and brothers. With the please continuing to juror blank. Some of the parents suggested contacting psychic in the expectation, even if they couldn't give them any clues, it might least give them some hope. Dr Gloria Daniel was a member of the church of Saudi an organization claimed to teach its members how to become psyche. Although Daniel knock come officially recommended by the Yuba county police it said that she had successfully helped them with similar cases in the past. On the morning of Friday, March third a handful of family members gathered together with Dr Daniel and watched expectantly as she ran her hands through a series of clothes belonging to the missing men, then she sat back and closed. Her eyes. After a short pause with the relatives. -rupt silence. Daniel began to speak. She could see people gathered together in a bluer cabin in a wooded hilly area somewhere near body of water. She said. And something else a small detail. A row of men talked into what looked like green sets of Kansas sleeping bags perhaps. She thought. So they're still alive asked one of the relatives. Hopefully. Dr Daniel hesitated, then opened horizons. I'm afraid that is all I can tell you. 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"bill stirling" Discussed on Unexplained
"Tako. Peach him, wrapped his jacket a little tighter about himself as he made his way through the slush toward the vehicle. Brushing away, the snow from the window. You looked inside. Empty food. Wrappers was strewn about on the backseat along with a couple of basketball programs, but the vehicle was otherwise empty. Trying to door surprised to find it unlocked, but the keys gone. Pulling a panel from under the steering wheel Beecham fiddled with the wires until the car's engine roared into life. The year watched as the needle on the dashboard, moved up to reveal at least a quarter tank of gas left in it. Stepping after the car Beecham to in the scene around him staring off into the trees that back away from the road the ground covered in fresh snow from the night before. All was completely silent. And there was no sign of track marks anywhere beating down off the road. Looking at the front wheels. He could see that they were a little stuck in the snow. But it was nothing that quick push. Couldn't have dislodged. None of it seemed to make sense. Why on earth with the five friends of driven up into the mountains and then abandoned to car like this with absolutely no reason to. Unless of course, it hadn't been democrat all to brought it there in the first place. Could it be beach thought that it had been stolen and merely dumped there? With that might put the five missing men would be anyone's guess at this point. After calling it in Beecham was promptly appointed to lead the search for the missing men. Forty personnel from Uber, plumas and Butte county along with the snowmobiles and to highway patrol helicopter who drafted in. For the rest of the day. They searched every inch of the surrounding forest within a five mile radius of the abandoned car for any sign of the two jacks Hewitt and Madrid STA. Bill Stirling, Ted. We're and Gary Matthias, but no clue to their possible. Whereabouts was found. Beecham knew only too well that if the five men had driven into the mountains after all only to abandon their vehicle their survival would depend on finding shelter. Very quickly failure to do. So stumbling blindly in the dog in subzero temperatures dressed as they were for a mild evening would most likely be fatal. What's more? It did now being almost a week since they had disappeared. And no one in the immediate area had seen them nor were they found in any of the nearby cabins that they might assault as a place of refuge later that day. Undersheriff Beecham had the unenviable task of informing the families of just what they had discovered. It was hard to gauge which scenario offered them the most hope whether the vehicle had been stolen and amend possibly assaulted and left stranded. Elsewhere. Or whether they themselves for reasons unknown had abandoned the car high up in amount late at night in minus zero temperatures. What beach did know? However was that neither scenario looked good. The end of part one unexplained season for episode seven called to the forest. You can hit the second and final part next Friday, April twenty six. If you enjoy listening to unexplained and would like to help supporters you can now go unexplained podcasts dot com forward slash support. All donations. No matter how large your small a massively. Appreciate. All elements of unexplained produced by me. Richard mclean. Smith, please subscribe and rate the show on I tunes and feel free to get in touch with any thoughts. Right. Is regarding the stories you've heard on the show. Perhaps you have an explanation of your own you'd like to share. You can reach his online unexplained podcasts dot com. Twitter at unexplained port and Facebook at Facebook dot com forward slash unexplained.
"bill stirling" Discussed on Stuff You Should Know
"Carefully at this road if they were being chased oh okay so you make a good point and i think i saw that elsewhere to that like that virtually proves that they weren't chased yeah if anything it shows that they that that say something happened to them and somebody ditched their car who who knew the area i think more likely jack maju go it just would have driven extraordinarily slowly his this is his baby car sounds very sad i think it's just one of those it's probably like autumn's razor it's probably the most simple explanation is you know maybe they just went on a little joy reid guy little lost got turned around the woods and succumb to nature yeah so i find this i said at the beginning this is just a very sad story to me and one of the things that got me was in that washington post articles call five boys who never come back by cynthia gorny from nineteen seventy eight you can find it online but they the she describes ted we're as ready for this that ted got a good chuckle out of phoning bill stirling in reading from newspaper items are all names from the telephone book like that's what he was into that made him happy and i'm sure bill stirling thought it was hilarious too but like they were just the screw of friends and katie imagine like we're like going through the phone book liquor silly names going and picking up the phone call in his friend bill sterling and same bill get a load of this one bills his laughing on the other end of the line and like they just had like this such a pure life like almost like a enviable life in a lot of ways and that they they died so horribly as just just bitterly sad to me yeah i mean they weren't troublemakers and even even the one who had had gotten convicted of a salt a couple of times gary gary it seems like all signs point to the his mental illnesses playing big factor in that which he had gotten in check right exactly all very sad it is very san well if you have any theories on the what you call them the yuba city six five yuba county or yuba city five or six five yeah we wanna hear you can find all of our social media connections on our website stuff you should know dot com and if you like you can also send us an email just shoot it off to stuff podcast at house af works dot.
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"Know specific right there on the river and if you have the right seat you can look out over downtown and see like all those beautiful bridges it's just lovely well okay cool yeah i remember quite clearly i stayed in my rooming gorge myself on the chicken saw it was totally worth missing the pittsburgh remember that it was funny i hurt my cell phone that's done all right i'm glad we killed some time before we got into this very mysterious ed story it's a good one though isn't it is exist ordinarily sad public the saddest true i don't know it's up there as far as true life true crime disappearances go and it's the one about gary matthias well that's what they call it they call it the gary matthias disappearance but i really doesn't do it much justice or it doesn't serve it well because it was a lot more than gary matthias involved yeah i've seen it more so called the yuba county five you know i guess just depends on where you're looking i had not run across that oh yeah oh god that makes me wonder what all stuff i missed well you know there were five guys what so no there actually were five guys there were five friends gary matthias was one of them and there were four others there was ted we're who is the oldest he was thirty to direct there is jackie hewitt he was the youngest he was twenty four there was jack madera yeah i'm not sure what age he was but he was definitely between twenty four and thirty two i'll tell you that narrows it down bill sterling and then again gary matthias and those five guys were a set of friends and they met at the yuba city vocational rehabilitation center for the what you would call today the cognitively impaired or cognitively challenged yeah because three of these guys of course this one article you have from nineteen seventy eight doesn't use appropriate terms anymore but noth three of these guys were intellectually disabled or developmentally disabled not an exact like it's kinda hard to get an exact diagnosis from these nineteen seventyeight germs but madrid guy was undiagnosed but according to his mom he was generally thought of as she said as quote slow in quote and then matthias was the only one knocked diagnosed with a developmental disability but he was under drug treatment for schizophrenia right so all five of these guys had some sort of challenge going on in your life right exactly so so there's a lot of details you can kind of glean because you're absolutely right like reading the really great washington post article which is basically the comprehensive document on the case from nineteen seventy eight you can kind of glean a an idea picture of these guys so they're just five friends thick is these even within this this tight little group of friends there's subgroups of even tighter friends like ted we're and jackie hewitt were particularly close them bill stirling and jack madrid were particularly close they had like they were just these these five guys known as the boys right they all lived at home with their parents they were always going to live at home with their parents it was just what what the the plan was like i think ted ted we're had a head a job as janitor and then later on his snack bar clerk mela basketball yeah those another one and they actually played together on the basketball team for the vocational rehab center basically like they're hang out the place where they hung out bright they play basketball on that team but jack madrid goods worth saying headed driver's license whereas three of the other ones didn't although gary matthias it as well so these guys.
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"Picturing in my head they got pretty close they stopped pretty closely and then he had to yell for them so they couldn't have been not closed core but he got out of the car think as everything son to yell for the people okay okay because he saw the headlights and was like oh people okay i was assuming owners in the car anyway okay so then they walked past him in the car or was the outside of the car i'm not sure he's not even sure like there gets to appoint later he was like i don't know i could've been delirious that's exactly what i was thinking like from the very beginning like trusted delirious sold attack yet yeah fill anyway he made it to the lodge early in the morning february twenty fifth and didn't even think about mentioning the mercury until word was released newspapers that five men had gone missing in northern california and they were last seen driving mercury montego so he's not going to think about because he's like heart attack and i've been stuck so so it's that joe shown became the last person to ever see ted wire gary mathias jack new drew jackie who it's and bill stirling alive okay up there on on having a heart attack here's a connection it's bunch of hikers on on yes so right yeah so all right well i understand the connections pass i just don't think it's quite as monumental yeah okay that's all i'm saying so the five men lived near or in marysville city california just roughly fifty miles from the mountain on which jack madrid is mercury was found and all five of them had varying degrees of intellectual intellectual disabilities okay so drew had never been diagnosed but was referred to as quote slow by the people in town okay or they had psychiatric issues lived with and all of them with their families who are vigilant about watching them and no one in their communities understood how they ended up on the mountain as unplanned road trips were really out of character for all of them not something they would have done aliens maybe they were possessed by aliens i don't think that's how aliens work i think you're mixing up demons aliens i think that iger obviously where you want your obviously the experts so what do i know earlier in the day of the twenty fourth madrid picked up his forefronts to take them to a basketball game at california state university chico and all five of them were fans of an played basketball and they had a game scheduled for the next day okay and they were to play for the rehabilitation center that they hung out so it's strange that they wouldn't come back because they were planning on playing basketball the next day that is strange well one of them was even like he told his mom don't let me oversleep tomorrow i have this game then he never came home so he just kind of strange you why her was the oldest and he was thirty two and who it was the youngest and he was twenty four so they range from twenty four to thirty two and their communities lovingly referred to them as quote the boys because of their intellectual psychiatric issues so as you have grown men everybody is calling voice and everybody in town like new them and matthias had been discharged from the army duda has schizophrenia which he controlled with the use of medication he did not take the medication with him to the basketball game because he expected to be home in time to take next dose okay so some of.