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The Antonio Brown/Patriots WTF Emergency Pod With Bill's Dad | The Bill Simmons Podcast

The Bill Simmons Podcast

23:23 min | 11 months ago

The Antonio Brown/Patriots WTF Emergency Pod With Bill's Dad | The Bill Simmons Podcast

"<music> and bill simmons podcast on the ringer podcast network is brought to you by nobody because we didn't know we're doing podcasts right now. Let's shut up to ziprecruiter get to try them at ziprecruiter. Dot com slash g._s. Don't forget about the ringer podcast network as well as the ringer dot com and <hes> and the rituals nineteen ninety nine which i was on those last week all right. Let's get gone my dad's annoying daddy there. I'm here. It is saturday. It's three o'clock. This news broke an hour ago. I was taping in an interview randomly in the studio with an ayla celebrity that i'm excited around that podcast. I'll tell you who was after that <hes> and then all of a sudden the patriots sign antonio brown. Can i pry. I'm pretty sure i've text from you saying i wouldn't want this guy so i know you've done one eighty right. I they have done a cautious when eighty cautious one okay. What's the problem well. The problem is his behavior <hes> in the last year and a half. I guess but we've seen it before. We've seen guys still bell ring guys in and and you know it's only for a year <hes> i would think he wants to get his reputation back and then signed a contract with somebody else and away. We have nothing to lose. I guess because that clubhouse has so many strong leaders in it and the fact that he's coming here. It's just shocking. It's not just going to go to seattle actually <hes> they could really use that wide receiver but i'm shocked <hes> and yet not chuck because we we've you know randy. Moss certainly was a character. I don't think he was a character in the same vein as this guy but <hes> it's just really funny you know i i don't know if you saw that. The odds in las vegas went from for the patriots went from six to one to four two one for us to win the super bowl. Oh wow we we now jumped ahead of against city well. I didn't i did a podcast with mallory that we take on thursday and let's do it yeah yeah and we are wondering if there was something wrong with him because his behavior was so strange that it seemed like he was either a a unraveling or be like just might have passed the point of just being too much of a malcontent ever be happy and the team now. We're starting to learn that. It seems like there is path c. Which was at some point over the last three months. He must have decided did he wanted to play for a contender and not for the raiders kind of rumor out there on on twitter actually that <hes> you know be the motivation to play for oakland <hes> which is not going to be a good team even would not have been a good team in even with him <hes> after coming from a team that was a contender every year you wonder how much he orchestrated all of this and and again <hes> we'll wait hold hold that thought because that's the glass half full. If you're a patriots fan of this whole thing is the he's crazy like a fox. Eh orchestrated this whole thing and that the only way he was going to get out of pittsburgh with all the dead money they would have had. They have to pay twenty twenty. One million dollars not even have them on their team was to if they had traded him somewhere else so the options were buffalo and oakland he goes to open now. If we're doing the crazy like the fox path he goes to oakland realize as quickly as no chance to win. There isn't impressed by the quarterback is impressed oppressed by anything and then just starts planning his exit from that point on which could explain all of the weird things he's done now. Does that make me want to root for him on the patriots. It's a <hes>. I'm not sure well in week. Two it probably makes you want to route from yeah <hes> but it does seem suspicious in terms of the helmet and then all the other stuff that went on and how quickly out quickly quickly he signed with the patriots by the way i mean he was only eligible for clock and the news went out of 4._0._1. While so there's a lot of side effects effects this would go no random mortar here number. One is the patriots if if he can just stay normal for four months there undoubtedly did they better. This guy is one of the best four wide receivers of all time and he's not that i would just say that <hes> he might be the best wide receiver in the league now i think he's in the top four or five though but i but the baggage that he brings knocks him out of the top four i mean he's he he brings the the most problems of anybody but yeah he does but so but he's never been a <hes>. You know how josh gordon we have such high hopes for but we we have such it's such a risk rank right but i don't recall antonio brown having that kind of a history now but i mean he did not i play and he didn't play in a week seventeen muslim steelers game last you know last december. He's definitely a little nutty much much win. They had a chance to make the playoffs. It wasn't there wasn't over yeah. I understand <hes>. I'm you know in a way. I'm if you'd call me two hours ago and said. What do you think i would have said no. I don't think we need them. I'm not sure what he'll do in the locker room. <hes> i'm not sure how much much bill belichick will put up with anyway but now that he's on the team. You try to talk yourself into it. <hes> that's what we do yeah. That's what we do all the time so you have brady who in my fantasy action on tuesday was one of the last names called win for dollar. Nobody he went to you had a receiving core where they pick harry in the first round. He's on the i. R. josh gordon who knows how many games ramsey's gonna play. I hope i'd kyle has the jersey is in his corner for life but we don't know if we're going to get four months out of them. I hope we do <hes> they have. No tight ends ends who i would even say our average. I would say it's all below average. Ted ends the running. Backs are good <hes>. It looks like jacoby. Myers is gonna play door set. We've we've already had <hes> eshelman looks like he has some sort of thumb issue and i'm wondering if the brown thing is part of that because if not one hundred percent healthy they're probably i'll be worried about that. They have said there's no issue but okay. I'm i'd never never trust them when they say no. No he's fine. <hes> the round cottress thomas who from is on the injury report right now <hes> he is a amstrong. It's a quad so they put him on injured reserve yeah for at least four yeah they put them into reserve for four games but if they can get browns head head straight and you're putting him on one side with eshelman and with gordon oh my gosh cows just cackling over there right so i bet you know there's a there's a crazy thing on twitter of him finding out that oakland released him and he runs around in his his backyard and he jumps in the pool is there is something off about the guy yeah but you know i think he and brady your friends <hes> well. I'll tell you this this was so he came and talked to us. He came hung out with him in his in my office for like an hour and february. I remember that that's right. I forgot that right yeah. He did say do a pod with them. You just chatted with them. Yeah we're gonna do a pot and then he ended up. He left l. a. and and it just never happened but it was interesting. I wasn't saying we were we're talking. About what teams would you want to go to and you know he is being a little quick because that in on that well but then we started talking about what offenses would be the best i offense for you and he said pats and chiefs and so as raiders thing was he was like you. I'm not playing with tom brady being in that the way they use you know smaller guys around the field like i e that'd be the greatest and then the same thing for the chiefs so when this raiders thing really started falling apart. I didn't think we'd go near him and i was really worried about the chiefs yeah because it's the kind of going to another team like the chiefs. No no okay so in a way we blocked him going to make another other team better <hes> that's one way of looking at it in less unless this is something he has wanted to do for a while because if you look at the stuff he's done he's repeat. He repeatedly escalated the raiders thing rain. Every time it calmed down he did something else and even calm down you know over the last thirty six hours or twenty four hours and then all of a sudden he puts this youtube clip will might have been a gruden interview nike. He was just throwing gasoline on the fire every chance he could get so whether the now this leads me to my second big thing. I don't know if you know this but everybody hits the patriots oh i. I realized that anytime. I've left boston. Yes and i don't know if you realize but but there's some people out there that that seemed to think maybe they don't do things on the up and up sometimes that maybe there's some some nefarious nece and some trickery and <hes> the conspiracy theories of ballot check. You're not suggesting adjusting for the patriots might have had some discussion with brown about if you act crazy enough. They're going to release you and you can come to our team. You've been here's the thing and this has been happening in the n._b._a. For the last five six years right like it doesn't have to be bella checker or bob kraft kraft or anybody it could be somebody in the team that he's friends are being like yeoman. Y'all i talked to ballot check. He said he he wants you. If you get out of there while you're right it's the paul george just the the it's the davis from new orleans kind of scenario in the n._f._l. Which doesn't usually happen though in the n._f._l. Well i'm in the position of just being a huge hippocratic decrypt because i hate player movement i hate i hate the recruiting and and the stacking on and all that stuff of good teams and guys jumping around and just all of a all sports has gone and yet now it helps the patriots so i'm torn. Kyle helped me well. There's a lot of other funny you little ramifications. You know we're not gonna. He's only gonna be here a year. If he's a here a year with something not gonna pay in the kind of money he's going to demand man next year third round compensatory draft pick <hes> his agent is rosenhaus some sure you know that was also grottes agent and and you think graca sitting there looking at this receiving core thinking yeah week nine week ten week eleven oh my god i hold on to host our kyle. He knew he had the same agent right. Yeah yeah <hes> i'm greg and i'm sitting there and i'm looking at element brown and dimitrius thomas and jordan jordan marianne gordon excuse me and the rest of the team which looks pretty deep and i'm thinking yeah i can come back but i don't know the whole thing again two hours ago i would have said. I hope we don't go near this guy or this is our job to talk ourselves into our teams. I've talked myself into it. <hes> he's going to be a perfect citizen because he knows bella. Check doesn't put up with any shipped <hes> he likes brady. He'll fit in well to our offense. Will they veteran locker room. There's three things three things really really working in his favor. One is that i would say brady is one of the most popular teammates in any sport. It's just everybody eddie who passes through the brady orbit. There just can't say enough great things about him after there's never any sniping about him after the fact everybody just loves playing with that guy. All he wants to do is win so putting brown with him over what seemed to be a rocky relationship with rothlisberger. That's a win right there. We have seen receivers is over and over again with his kind of skill set <hes> really thrive in the in the last two decades with patriots going back to trade brand in two thousand one if to be double teamed yeah i mean we don't need to tighten at the moment and then the other thing they've over and over again have rolled the dice with you know the the shaky guys in and i moved shaky shaky for different reasons but you know it really the the only time it didn't work out was <hes>. I don't mean to make light of this but i i would say the aaron. Hernandez thing ultimately didn't work out but they we have rolled the dice with different types of personalities and when it doesn't work they just get rid of them like shadow chose cinco didn't work. They didn't bring him back. Albert haynes with was on on the team for four five weeks didn't work. They got rid of them but yeah. I think there's a difference though those guys were at the end of their careers true <hes> think oh oh you know he was done <hes>. He had a fork in his back. Yeah antonio brown is not at the end of his career. I mean he has three or four more good years. Here's if he can get his act together. <hes> this is a different kind of signing it as like randy moss bringing them in at a certain point in this career. The difference is he. He is somebody in. I don't think moss was ever like this. Mosque could be unhappy and maybe not go hundred percent and it was almost like wasting a car in the garage that you couldn't drive on the highway a fuse on your team near the recorder back all that stuff this brown is somebody who really could try to make it about him and that the team and try to submarine what's going on and i don't. I don't really remember the pats having a guy who's as much of a narcissist as he is if that happens though do you do you see him staying around no. I think they would cut him. During the season i i think this is i think this is a week by week thing with him and if fi drip jeopardizes or threatens anything that's going on that. This team was a favourite to make the super bowl before this happened so he's going to jeopardize it. They'll just get rid of them and that's it's why it's like it reminds me. Rivas was a really good guy and i think people love playing with him but it reminds me of the rivas thing. It's a one year deal aw and you're getting somebody at a discount who if you can just get four good months out of them is one of the best guys it is position and it's a no brainer as soon as the risk was removed moved and ballot check didn't have to give up anything for them that was when he made the move but i agree. I you know as you said it's a one year deal. It's actually a five-month deal deal not even one year he didn't have to go through training camp and off-season training and all that garbage and <hes> he can't play in week one on you're talking about playing fifteen regular season games <hes> with a quarterback he likes and respects which as you indicated. There's something going on with russia's bergen pittsburgh ironies here have pittsburgh still paying part of his salary twenty one years quinn yeah oh yeah millions of oakland who traded two draft third and a fifth draft picks for him and i. I'm surprised we're able to fit them. Under our salary cap. I mean must have been some maneuvering there. I i saw that it. It's really a one million dollar salary <hes> bonus money which may be the spreading of a couple of years and then incentives will they usually they usually save a nest egg and in half the time we get frustrated at at the end of the season because they didn't actually spend the money right so this year they actually spent it. Yeah talked myself into it. I really i think kyle should go out and get an tony brown. Patriots kyle can switch it. Can it can switch off with the gordon shirt one week and antonio brown on the next week and let me give you the exact time of the day when kyle talked himself into the trade the literally the second it was on his phone and he started the dancing around going yeah yeah i do. I do have one prediction when they're on the road that they're not. They're not gonna room until the around on with score the odd couple. I think they should win them together. That'd be great i wouldn't i wouldn't antonio brown rooming with brady or somebody like that. Trading or the left guard you know the best part about all this is that takes a tremendous amount of pressure off a flash and that's really what we need. It'd be worth yeah tha kyle's look from how this affects. Josh gordon and this is a good thing for josh gordon ulta go. Who are we gonna release. I mean it's a probably they're probably trade. Thomas wave them out guests. I like him. I'd i'd because he's injured. I heard <hes> i put him on that. Six week i are with and kill harry and and then you have these two receivers sitting there and there's the other guy kim married. It's i don't know much about but you know who knows what's going to happen but our depth is certainly terrific we didn't we didn't talk about one other thing that i love from this and then then we can wrap it up. You know pittsburgh has a huge in for inferiority complex at the pats right. It's it's we were the city of champions than than new england. Just took that title from them. They can never be brady when it's mattered. I don't even think they've beaten brady and foxborough. They have a decade that started out. They lost the super bowl the year after six against brady and foxborough rate they loo- they lost a playoff game tim tibo all these. I think it was a bad bad. Steelers decade this appointing and then this antonio brown thing happen then it's like well at least didn't go to the patriots and now he's actually on the patriots and it actually seems there might have been some conspiracy stuff going on my thing is like everybody hates the patriots already we've met. It'll be like a good wrestling. He'll this is like a wrestling. He'll move you know. I know he can't play tomorrow night but i hope he's in hope. He's on the sideline in uniform and pointing across the field that his old teammates so all right so we think fifty percent anyway. We just talked to cells into loving this frightening. Didn't we won. They can cut him really doesn't it's. It's they didn't try anything farm and they can just dump them if he's a distraction but i think it's a fifty percent chance that he's just off his rocker and there's a fifty percent chance. He decided that this was how this was going to play out from june. <hes> <hes> you know the rosenhaus agent has had a wonderful relationship with the patriots now. That's not helping dad well. Don't you think he sat down with this guy and said you know this might be a last chance to act normal and behave yourself for four or five months and go to a winning team and get that a big contract when the season is over so you think he told him so now the earned the patriots don't <hes> don't burn your feet in a cryogenic chamber and don't put don't flip out. Yeah can't use your helmet and don't almost get into altercation with the g._m. Like try not to do that. He was doing that well. He had his cell phone in his ear and he was calling gronk up and telling gronk about what had just happened in <hes> stay in shape for week ten yep so if ground comes back and we tend and catches a touchdown and is greeted in the end zone by antonio brown and flash gordon. I'm gonna have to scrape car off the couch. That'll be he'll just be dead. Would that kill you. Kyle come back. I find a way to come back then. Everybody hates the patriots. We don't care. They hate us more than they did two hours ago and here's the thing though this happens in the n._b._a. This is exactly what jimmy butler did. What's different about it. They maybe jimmy butler butler and think about the cryogenic chamber and in it never occurred to him to try to pull the home row thing but he did all this other stuff minnesota and rachel nichols traipsing down there to interview him and gets traded fairly and it's like oh man he's choosing his destiny and antonio brown does it as an exception. He went to miami which is not. I'm saying when he did affiliate trade trade trade. He basically bullied them into trading to philly by doing all the same stuff. Antonio brown did split bullied itself to get to the lakers and he believed himself. You know see this is great now. We're defending antonio. Brown has come full circle. Oh my god i have twenty people my i was so mad. I forgot that you would chatter with them and i'm sure that you thought he was really nice man who just needed to be on the right team right. I i just think he wants to be happy and if we've learned anything in two thousand nineteen it's that we should just want our professional athletes to be texting right now and welcome to it. Tell if he's listening well tokyo. This has been a very special episode of the podcast. We're coming back tomorrow night with cousin sal wrapping up sunday night as well as guest the lines dad. Thanks for coming on all right. Take care <music> the first.

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Tiffany Haddish | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 419)

The Bill Simmons Podcast

59:16 min | 2 years ago

Tiffany Haddish | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 419)

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And soon some new ones might be some names entering our orbit. Stay tuned who knows speaking of names entering the orbit. You'll hear her second. I program. It is Monday, lunchtime, Tiffany, haddish here sitting stance. I've never seen a lot of people been on that couch. You are sitting back cradling the microphone. Yeah, I'm it's like a boyfriend between these. Just resting very, come forward. That's good evening. Haircut got New York with the new week short it. My hair is actually long. This is a short we could. Like it, you like it? Yeah, it's very, it looks. It looks professional for lack of a better word like you could. You could host the good Morning America for an hour or something like a nice that could do, or I could be a flight attendant find it here here and he coffee tea lane San pain on geez. What would you like with the same person who does PR for us? He's my friend though. He doesn't like being caught a peer flack. He's your friend who's been. He's an alumni to the high school. I know you guys have, oh history, any straight. Definitely. That's Steve Papa wraps, New York. He, he always is like, you got a guy publicist. I'm like, and he's like, and he's gay right now. My no, he's straight. He got a wife and kids. He's unheard. It's so funny, Tiffany. He's been nervous about this podcast. Why? I don't know. He's afraid of getting together. He didn't. He, he knows. I'm good. It would idea is fairness get roped into say, and stuff should say we'd like each other that start hanging out outside his his proposal for mayo, what's that word? His parameter can speak. I don't know. I don't know what we're trying to transfer. His parameter per MU purview view. Yeah. I don't know what purview means preview. Go backwards. Okay. 'cause you have a lot of stuff coming out. Yeah. You've three move is over the course of like what? Six. Seven weeks? Yeah. And you're on a TV show yet, but like five years ago you would have you taken any one of these gigs you'd been fired up and now they're all coming at you like a t-shirt shirt candidate, a basketball game shoe year job offers, and I'm just catching. So a lot of them co fall to the grand somebody else picks it. So when so what you limit? When's too much do you have in your head? How like what's your work limit? My work limit. You, how much can you do? Because I could do whatever I put my mind to. I'm not doing a lot maybe more than average person you doing. 'cause I have a work ethic. Yeah now, and you know, keeps me out of trouble. So is working, keeps me out of trouble woods trouble what have trouble. I don't. I don't. I don't know anything. No Tripoli's with trouble. So if you're not working bad things could happen. Yeah, bad. Thanks, happy. I might get married again, start like cooking and cleaning stuff that's trouble. Stroud. Were you married? You're married before? Yeah. When was that back in the two? Thousands in zero in zero. Yeah, to con them that. To that. Does those two thousand eight to two thousand twelve thirteen? The Niners single now I'm single ready to make, but not mainly because I am really ready for it. 'cause I'm busy making money building empire, Boone empire. What's up with the heavy blanket. You sleepless. Okay. So I I came up on his way to blanket because okay, so was hanging out with my friends arrive Carmichael. Yeah. And he said, one of his friends, this girl gave him away to blanket and this supposed to like get rid of anxiety and like, you know, help you fall asleep faster, like snuggling, right. So he let me try it out. I said, oh, I gotta give me one of these in mmediately. You know, I felt like when it's twenty five pound blanking. You can get them anywhere from ten to twenty five pounds and we put it on yourself. It feels like somebody's holding you in hugging you is so so beautiful. Could've gotten like a forty pounds stuffed animal to then that. But that's what you can't travel with a forty pounds stuffed animal, Tiffany hitter. She was everyone travelling like winning assistants, Karen, the stuff they gotta be walking around like I just left the being fair. Through the airport. Sorry, not doing good it. But what I will do is have a super heavy suitcase with a twenty five pound blanket. Amy see now got that blanket in. What I like to do is like after a long day's work in my mind is racing, I'll like either cover my whole body with the blanket or if I'm lonely right from feeling like, oh, I wish I had me a man right now. The I throw half the blanket over my legs. Then I tuck it behind me like somebody crawling up dues, cutting up to the booty. Puts them behind me. Then I put a little Cologne on a tip part in. I put that over my southern like a arm coming from my guess Bill, you really do this. I really do this. How can you find a man? I could find one one that's up to your qualifications. There must be. Well, I have a good choices out. Did you read the men's journal? I have a list of qualifications than read them. You should read. Well, there's a lot like first off you got to be fun to travel with. Okay. You gotta be loyal. Okay. Healty law. Yup. Yeah. That's really hard for a lot of me also. Got have mulling left-foot got like the dance. You gotta have nice hands nights Tiv. You gotta be physically fit. You ain't gotta be like super fit, but you need to be physically fit like you got to be able to pick me up. In these things. Hello. See, ready anyway. Gotta know gotta be willing to garden a little bit willing. You know, no kids can't have no keys. Got good deal. Not not if I want to be number one yet. I wanna be priority number one. Right? But not so much priority where you like fake. Oh, crazy about it. Spotify playlist and stuff. You don't want that. I wouldn't mind a play list, but not. Whereas when a week. Oh, you to the doctor. I'm going with you inside Sydney while I'm getting Pap smear. I don't want that smart might cause, you know, you know how some guys like that's my coachee, but I gotta go to the doctor will see what they're doing. They're abduct right. Not got a boy back to. No, I'm sitting in there. You know, I got to say, I don't know anybody that insists on going into the girlfriend or way. I for me, that's obviously not from south central possessiveness. Obviously, don't know. It's cure me. Will you know on that from south central. Looking at me right now. Yeah, could do. You didn't see me at highs in van Nuys. Come on to me at least ousted oaks. Like maybe Glendale Glendale. Bullshit. What was I. She, she chino. So one was last series boyfriend from lake Elsinore. I don't know where that is. Cities. You know you from willmar. Will the bar. Right next to Hogwarts. When was the last boy from the last boy for came super famous last year, we've famous on you had the boyfriend, I guess. So. I mean not to me, but to other people, they consider me famous. 'cause I would say, post grow trip, girls trip, pulse girls trip. Your visibility, increased visibility, increased drastically, and I had a boyfriend, but I had to let him go because coming to the obesity Wayne with, you know, he wasn't coming to cope each e y in with me, but he's trying to like, I felt like he's trying to stay. He was crossing. He was crossing lines. Yeah, that wasn't comfortable with. I saw the first time I'd seen you drag show the first time. I you've jumped at me like, oh my God, something's happened with hers. Cana- Canada? Yeah, as like, wow, this wasn't like that was a giant robot. You jumped out in that one. And then I was not surprised by the girls trip thing. I was leading female in the pussy. You were. Ken with me, then girls trip. Kuehne? Yeah, girls yet that released. You have just a million people come in and get offers left and right. All that stuff. There's be thank you. Did you grow strip is going to be big. I know it was going to be good. I didn't think it would be that big. I didn't think it would do what it did. I just knew it would be good because it was fun to do. I watched it. My daughter's thirteen. But when it come out like two years ago, not came out the last year year and you're like three months ago. So she was like eleven or twelve. We let her watch it. Why do I want my kids have a sense of humor. I I envelope. Did you have a conversation with her about great food and all this? I didn't know that was happening to be afterwards. Did you have a conversation about it like I just watch these things in don't have we mom verse Asian. So we have the pause button when you could see heading a certain direction for the hands in front of the face. And yeah, work. Listen. She's gonna see it anyway. It's. Did you have a conversation with her about it though? We had a conversation, you have to talk with them. At bar mitzvahs grapefruit, and boys. Now she won't that that will not happen. That's going to be a damn shame. You know, I used to do bar mitzvahs, cast these little girls, all kinds of stuff. And then at this I'm Russ next is one girl about a backer he and I probably shouldn't have did that. But she had her mouth. She's too young to be having a thank thing in her mouth. What. Sure. Why are we doing mitzvahs? You worry at that mitzvah. What were you? What do you mean you were at the bar mitzvahs? I used to my title is energy producer. I would like. See, I would tell jokes, I would choreograph like dance routines for the grand jury. And my job was basically to keep the party movie, keep the party flow in our energy yet my daughter was in the bar mitzvah seen last year, so I went to a bunch of them. Keep the energy got to keep the energy spent a lot of money. It's like a wedding or nothing really expensive big. I went to one that was like four hundred people. Wow. That was just a show off. That's the family someone off that's show on off. See business deals going on in our kind of stuff. Just wait till you have kids maybe over forward person barmitzvah. Nope. Nope. This was not going to happen. They will have a mitzvah, but they will be no funded. About a cat forty. We might turn them into people. The hardest ever seen. My daughter laugh was the the zip line saying that's still the record, but it was get. I think that move is gonna have legs with the. You know, it's funny as as the years go, cert- moves belong to like, you know, little generates like some of the appetite movies are light that are like the hangover's verse specifically two thousand eight and feels girls trip and a couple others from last year, like the two thousand seventeen like, oh yeah, that was the year when that happened. Yeah, it was give classic classic seems like already. It's a classic. 'cause I'm already dense seventeen thousand. It's yeah. How many? So how many cents safe fan. I think sakes. The best one. I don't know. We'll see when it comes. Senate. I'm excited about all of that is you've been trained really well by loose k. I thought when I hired him, he would teach me like press etiquette. Like I would go through some like this, how you do press, you know, PR like a class like this proper etiquette, this how you talked to interview it is Titus decided Hindu. None of that. I'm really starting to feel like I'm getting gypped. Because I never got put through the, you know the course for, let's say, crazy things like, oh, man, we gotta fix that. And I'm like, well, let me say this to fix that. Maybe he's just hands off and he wants to let you be you. Okay, that's fine. That's fine when let me be me, but sometimes maybe met for met. Got in trouble yet though. Have you have you said anything that you had to walk back? I don't remember. I mean, I always think my truth. Yeah, we got the cover cleanup. Some things. Oh, yeah. I did crack a joke. It wasn't a good joke in people got upset now had to say guys, it was a bad joke, get over it. I'm a comedian. We wanna do. We wanna do. There's a couple of people that are in that zone where they can get away with a little more. And I think you're in that song. I'm in the getaway Moore's a little bit. I was like, I was caught the Howard Stern's out for some reason he can get away with more than anybody because he's forty years. Listening to our shows. I'm like, wow, that sounds like a homey to situation right now, but that was back in the nineties. Yeah, he's, he's always had the, I think, Charles Barkley's like that. Weirdly he can. He can push envelope on on shows and people don't get mad because it's him because this Charles Barkley. I think people know when it comes from like a place of like you're being just mean are being evil vicious or is coming from a place of goodness and you just trying to join. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I think Chapelle is interesting variation of this because he just doesn't give shit. Yeah, he's every once and now he got some backlash when the to Netflix things came out briefly in his. I don't care. This is how I feel I'm this is I'm doing comedy and either watcher don't watch it. And now he's good. Just seems like he can say whatever, not whatever, wherever, yeah, he, I was just with him last night. He's singing his ass up with. I was I was singing like a club? Yeah, it's winter like this place. There has like live band and they had a microphone near in. You know, whenever there's a microphone, a comedian wants to get on that and then his, he sings, Lauren hill songs, those his go to line hill in. I go to Tina Turner, smart. It's so essayists primary in he saying a Lauryn Hill song, you do what's love, got to do that. No, I didn't do that one now does love got to knows at who who there's people who are finding comedians. And then there are people who are just flat out funny in the room, just hilarious who are who's like in your top four or gimme. Gimme a couple outta just hilarious. They always said that Chris Farley was just like a Larry's people say that about you. Like when you're going, you're like a year like a hurricane comedy. When I get going. But I'm still sleep right now, but like who makes me laugh like in the room. The Dave Chapelle he always makes why ask because they said it was just funny. He's funny all the time. Like it just regular conversation. You're going to laugh. Who has l.. There's this comedian aimed, Tony, Tony Roberts he is hilarious. He's a comedian comedian, like comedian comedian comedian, if you get to like, hang out with him in like you're gonna laugh. Even if you're having like a serious in serious conversation, you're gonna laugh. Who else is like that? Kevin is funny all the time. He's always funny. Will for today. How interesting for say, if. Yes. When we did Kiana, he like they were braiding his beard, try to coach him through it. Why making this air Brady isn't a lot of pay, and I was like trying to make them laughing stuff and whatever I talked on the phone or whenever I see him, we laugh a lot with foretaste Larry's. Funny, you did this and now did you get nominated for that or did you win what happened? I got nominated and then took to come trophy. You one right for best supporting something guest guest star. Yeah. Nice. Congratulations. What was that whole week? Lake. That was. Did you feel you could have been on that show for five years? No. Now HALE now now, now how come? No, that's a lot of work. I was cut out. I was cut out for that type of work. You work at. Cut out for that type of white wine. You have to be a special person like everyone works over there. They are special wonderful people like you have to be a certain kind of a beast to handle that. I'm not. I'm not cut out to handle it on a weekly basis. So the rising pressure we tweak you would want nothing, but yet you made like seven moves this year. Yeah, that's different. Why? Because they, they hand you the script before even take the job and you can read it see like, okay, is this something I wanna? Do you know in you make the decision? So it's within these lines that you kind of know where the lines are and then you just everything. I do has a lot of heart in a like in a lot of Tiffany on it, whatever character I'm playing, whatever it's, it's me, you know. So I'm not cut out to do that though. I'm just not cut out to do a one week was fun. Yeah, one week was it was fine. Why? Fine? What happened? It was fine. What was the matter that they, you wouldn't go back. I mean, it was fine. I mean, if they really wanted me to come back, you've look on your face that people can't hear. 'cause see his. It's a podcast here. You have a look like, you wouldn't go down here. They know how so within you like about it within these, it was different. Let's take a break to talk about Gillette. You know, I've been trying to stay clean shaven. I've been lazy about it at a beard for a while was feeling anymore shave. Now I got like the Don Johnson stubble again. You know, it's hard. It's not fun to shave sometimes in less and less used Gillette. There's nothing like smoothing my stub away with the lead fusion pro shield, Gillette is based in Boston that just one of the many reasons I love them. They're craftsmanship is unbeatable I've been using it for the last thirty plus years of my life back going back to high school when I was shaving the four hairs in my let pretending I needed to shave the Gillette fusion pro shield. 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Like don't say nothing about it act like you didn't even see it in in the search, but do you ask her about it? Like why are you watching all this game mail? So my wife and I have been together for twenty years. I would definitely be like what the hell is going on with your Google search. If you would ask her, I would ask. And then what does she say? I'm just trying to learn how to, you know, make sure make you feel good. I'm just trying to just trying to learn how to suck you better. I don't know about response to that. I'm just trying to learn how to take it into button cry. You got me okay with that. You are. So he is so rare right of swimming about things. Like a cartoon, the mom. You I saw that. Yeah, I would definitely ask nephew. It's my auntie. I don't want to. I'm sorry. So what's the bit? How do you turn that into a joke and working on? I'm trying to figure it out. That's what I'm trying to figure out. But I think I think it's really funny. We always getting caught watching like they're always getting caught watching girls girls, or you know, a guy in a girl. But when we do, you respond to find out what is watching guys on guys that said those pits really work well and stand up when you make the couples that are on the date uncomfortable, you do it like some some comics have done it where Eddie Murphy was like the first one. I remember really like do that and put people on edge who are next to each other. Right. My favorite thing is to get a couple of kids in and ask them the grabber titties. My favorite thing to do. They do it. Sometimes they do sometimes goes like now ill and I'm like, she don't love you like he thought she did. I love it sporting events when they have the kiss Cam, and then they said on to people who are on a date, but don't wanna kiss. Right, great tension. Like didn't the crowd starts raspberry in them. And then finally, the guy over for like the stupid kiss. Right. So you're not going back to us. It was great. Swear on the on the Gabriel court search onto. Okay. Now, the question. Never mind. Tell me about the Kevin Hart movie. So nice school is a great movie. It's about second chances where this character teddy that's played by Kevin. He loses his job by some disastrous accident, and he needs to get another job because he's living this facade. Putting up this facade that he's like balling out of control, you know, and been kinda like lying to his girlfriend. So he needs to step up his game and get a job. But he can't because he doesn't have a high school diploma. So yes to get his GED and that's where I come in. That's where you come. That's where I come in because I'm the night schoolteacher and you know, just I, I don't play games and like Teddy's hustler hustler. And so he tries to hustle me like get some tacos and like does all these things to try to get me to just pass them through. But I don't play that. I don't play that in real life. Either. You gotta do the work. So I make them do the work, and then he, it's GD try to convince ESPN app Kevin host. The SP is like six years ago, and I was showing the clip to these people that rainiest pan who are not Kevin's audience, and I was like, trust us, he's gonna come out all the athletes, love him. The energy will be there and they were just watching going like, oh, I don't know that he's not conventional, but he's funny, right? But you put him in a situation like a big building with a bunch of famous people like that's who you up, but you're like that to you. Got you. Did the MTV thing last year? Yeah. Come out of energy. It'd be funny. Yeah, this year this year already in the future this year, you make every girl's trip three years ago. Wait year it is, and I don't know how old I am. I don't know what's going on. I'm not watching game meal porn. Could you the SP's? Do you know enough about sports? I don't know enough about as more, but I know how much money a lot of these athletes and make you cheat cheat out, figure it out these athletes as you. Well. Pause. That's still an athlete. Or no, it could be. Athlete could be former former athlete, former athlete, definitely. Tree play any sports. Fame like he's he built like Rowntree. Yeah, that was a long time ago too. Yeah, we met at a barbecue place. Maybe you need like a, you need like a the celebrity boyfriend seat of the power couple have the Tauron us weekly for like two months. Then you break up and then put the tear in it between the picture and then they put the, yeah, elect two months. And then it ends and there's a tear nothing a whole cycle. I kinda got a thing for barbers barbers now again somewhere. Why barbers? Because they busy. They got clients. I don't know. I'm just made that borough. Now you gonna listen to you wondering, David chance, so you the guy had a crush on was a barber. That's just that you grew up in LA. We're up in LA. Says, traumas me out. Gotta think I had to pull it digging my thing, but I said, no, thank you. Yes, probably the right move. I said, no, no fence to Lamar. But yeah, I fight him a comedy show. He didn't show up. Back, right. That's okay. We is in Vegas. See in central. Yeah. Then what happens then what happens when you're like nineteen? You're trying to comedy nineteen. I was working at the airlines. Oh, you really? Were you doing this the job before you really did work for networks for Alaska Airlines and customer surveys? As I worked at the ticket counters and stuff, and I did bar mitzvahs. And then when you get into comedy, I got into comedy at like sixteen, but I had stopped doing comedy when I was eighteen because I got emancipated in a maybe a place to live in comedy was only giving like ten dollars show twenty five bucks. It's not enough to pay rent. What do you mean? Got a minute spitted as a foster care. Yeah, yes. So sixteen seventeen sixty seventy doing stand it. Eighteen. I got emancipate it. So. Notice stand up for while who you're adults for standup who'd you monitor sub after modeled myself after Tiffany, haddish dining. Now come on, you must have different people that I really liked. Heo is take pieces of different people and they form whatever your is. I mean at first when I first started like super Jim Carey, so it's like very physical, very physical with my comedy, I guess, variance Bill Cosby, very into Richard Pryor Lucille ball, Lenny. Bruce rates risk balloting. Yeah, like oath, comics, Charlie, Chaplin, like, and then like Bernie MAC, Cedrick the entertainer in. Dave Chapelle was coming. I started noticing that guy vent Rodman and yeah, would suggest kind of play big, big place, small place meeting place which your dream dreamlike venue. I like, you know, fifteen hundred to two thousand seater. That's like you play like arenas t, right? I did an arena once it didn't work out, so good. Why I wasn't ready. You did. I was fifteen thousand people. Yeah, think it was more than that Jesus. It was with the Bruce Bruce. I opened up for Bruce Bruce. I wasn't ready. That was a long time ago. That was like ten twelve years ago. Knife, you do arenas. Yeah, easy arenas. Dinas Amina let's do a football stadium. I dunno, Thakur fields does any comedian than a football stadium? Yeah, Kevin, that's. Oh, that's right. He did his sell out and indeed three of them. So that three football, stadiums, I don't know. How you could watch comedy from like the top row in the upper deck and football stadium, but I've ac- can't because he sold out, he sold it out. That's crazy. What did he say about an after. I can't even imagine. Ask because I was jealous a little bit. You are too. Yeah. Now you could open the new Elway stadium in an opens. Yeah, when that, yes, when that happens, it's going to be the first comedian ever to perform at the new stadium in Inglewood. Let's talk about daily fantasy. I'm sure you have major grads about your sees long fantasy team, like Tom Brady, who had seven points for me this week. Seven point, eight, five points come on Tom Brady forty. Once guess, step it up. Fantasy is very important. I'm excited to be playing a fan Bill this year at Fanta get the excitement of researching building your team every week. You get the excitement of joining their survivor PO and then losing because Minnesota last Josh Allen, which I experienced on Sunday fan does never been more fun or more easy. The place to play for not a fantasy. Expert fan does something forever in more ways to win there before like their gridiron pickup contests. Every week free pick winners, though spreads ten case, put him on the top pickers my favorite way to play daily fantasy. As you know, a single entry. 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I don't know if you're where I'm aware. I'm aware he's on the Lakers also saying that he's a school owner. That he's also producer. Yes, I'm aware that space. Jan two, you're probably gonna get roped into that. I want to do voice work for voice workup, like one of the cartoon characters or something like that. I wanna do his. I think he got the Madame CJ Walker story. I wanna do that. I won't be something in that. What's that? I don't know. You don't know about Madame CJ walk. I don't know what, what's the story to throw his hat team? You? Let's do metal c. j. t.. Let me spit metal CJ is the first African American woman to be a multi millionaire in the United States of America. She created all kind of Air Products. So like why you over you're talking about like your hair, you know, I got some little Jalen here that on my edges for Madame CJ Walker, the press and combs she sold that. Do you know the person comments. Yes, you just lied is hurting resin comas with the present because you you every time you look at me suspiciously being it makes, but the way say, yes, I can tell you, lying, pressing, come, you press in you comb it. What press comas. President, you. The press co. Oppress is a metal comb that you put on fire to heat it up to seventeen pitcher in the run it through your hair, and it makes your hair straight. Oh, my daughter does I I didn't know his caught a pressing comb. She we call zoey burns her hair to g has she probably has a flatter. She's a flatter. Yeah. How's that different than pressing? Go because of present com looks like an actual comb, but it's made out of metal. I think she has that to my daughter has like super thick hair that she straightens out all the time. You think she got a present call? I think she has all this stuff. I stay out of it. I don't wanna know what she got. Nah, I don't know about that because you know, you put the present come in of no. That you put it in there. Me let this sounds like a more advanced version of the finer. Oh, is the original version at the flan? Okay. So this lady invented that and some other things became a millionaire another. Make him. Tiffany haddish Brian. Early wanted to see the next one. I just want to be part of it. I wanna be there some kind of way. I bet they would have you. You should get in on that space. Jim, though. There is thrown around giant checks for that. Just really could check for like a week, talk to do couple of about this. Yeah, they just announced it went today last week last week. You know, I don't know concept the time, but I think it was last week. What's the oath? What's that movie oath is a movie about this family who is living in time where we have a new president who is trying to make everyone sign this like pledge of allegiance. This oath. And. I saw the trailer for this yet look, good. The movies I went to. Yeah, and everybody's not necessarily filling that pledge of allegiance. Yeah. And my husband was played by bear hold is definitely not filling. It ends like we're not signing it. We're not going to do this and it gets to the point where they start taking people out of their homes. They don't sign it and put it in like some kind of camper, whatever they disappear. So. This idea, some people come to our house right in trying to take my husband, but we not playing. We don't play that. So like a cousin of the purge, but like a little more sophisticated. Something like that. The whole movie takes place in one place. And we year we don't play that was like to be married to like it was my company. Husbands. Have you had? I've had. Four and then chasing Morgan. The TV show chose Morgan is not be Tracy. Morgan is my baby daddy, but I'm married to a white man on that. I'm married to you. Really? Yes. A made to Ryan gall on that show. Was you got that job before girls trip turned off right before it came up? Yeah. Now, how long have you tied to TV show? I don't know. I didn't read the contract. Did you get a pressing comb in the contract now? I didn't get press, but I did get a check in Charlotte to say how much. Okay. 'cause I notice from the did the posters for season two your let were prominently involved in the season two poster boys to. We did a second season, didn't you there? But they already got those posters out to billboards. They put those billboards Inouye like give for season one. Oh anybody. Yeah, that's what it was. Oh, the EMI voting. I didn't see you're probably about this. That's funny. But. But. See. So then what happens? Very prominent in the original permissions you, you're more you more prominent. As long as you say it was like, this is Tracey show now it's like Tracy and Tracy show Tracy show. You're on it, though. Yeah, but it's it's started. Stray c. show. He's the producer. All right. Now, I know you're cues to move on. Took a half hour, you will learn. What's it been like to to date since she became super famous? I haven't really. I have been getting asked out our people frayed to ask you because you're so famous. Don't think you're available. I don't think older gentlemen asked me out his lawyer. He made sure he let me know that several times and even sent me his full resume and yeah, to have time time who has asked me out, are there any things that you rule out is? Is somebody have to be a certain height now. Every. Doesn't matter the shortage better. How age doesn't matter. You'll be eighty. Ninety five twenty five gotta be over twenty five twenty five fair over twenty five foreign foreigner. Yeah, definitely. He. He kala tally how old would you go? Would you go over sixty eighty? Yeah, so everyone's on the table. This is great. Yeah, twenty five up. So if you felt that one of those dating services, you would just check all every question point five. Yes. You know. Gotta have a job jobs, good or career of some sort. Some sweating income. Actor good credit score. Another actor competitive. I made sure. I have a Jonah right? The he would have a penis list competition. I don't know petition. I think actors compete against each other because I, I would be going for girl parts. He going boy parts, but if you were more successful than he was, maybe he would have an issue it well, then he's insecure. You're like, I got a, I got a lead role in this movie and he's like, I just got rejected for law and order. The seventh part that's to make us MAC and cheese. I'll be like make the Makati's. You look at porn computer. I would probably get him a job. If he's actually. Movie, they do that. Hey, let's talk about other great podcasts on the ringer podcast network. You know what? What just do the sports ones? God, we have some good sports wants against all odds, cousin sow gambling every week. 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You tried to dramas something serious stated already. Bady would. Oh, is it? It's, it's, it's called the kitchen is coming out next year. The kitchen was that about about is gangster movie about hails kitschy taking place in the seventies and the all you backwards and went back to the seventies, and it's a weird, three women married to three Irish mobsters and they go to jail, and then we take over their business. What kind of hair did you have gone in this movie? What kind of seventies haircut do you have? It's just a nice little pressing, curl, pressing CRO, hook, oppressing curl. Here. She can listen to us talk about different hair. What else do we have? The pressing curl got the press and curl yet the Bob. You got the the beehive you got the rollers set you got, but I only had press girl. Well, I guess it was a roller set. 'cause my hair was in broad, lose deem. Yet. How much pressure are you doing for this Kevin movie a lot. They night chess yet. Lewis overwork, you. Early. If not Louis Louis, actually protecting me a lot adult that the studio is trying to overwork me, which I'm fine with because we're making money. This. A girls got asleep and a girl does need to date. I'm gonna start. I'm gonna try. Try try to make schedule like one day two months. We'll see like on a weekend or like a Winston on day off. I don't think they need to promote this movie Lasmo that much. I know they're gonna make you do it and they don't think that way, but I think people will see this. I think they're people that everybody promoted how they promoted girls trip, like really big. They went all out for that, you know, and then look, it was the first black female comedy to make that kind of money who who have you stayed in touch with from that moving everybody, everybody is their stress, but all the girls trip to we talk about it all the time. Hopefully that happens. That should happen if a better. I mean, I would love for it to happen. They didn't option like you've where they, you're forced to do the sequel as they snap their fingers, you have control? No, that's good. Make them made them pony up for that one, they should grow trip to should happen. Yes, I think you should everyday on your podcast, talk about it. I'll remember staff to find you a boyfriend, so you're not sleeping twenty five pound blanket every night. Okay, warm by the EMI next to me to be warm body with some arms. And in a way to blink, he might like the way to blanket if he can handle me under that way to blanket, keep the way to blanket with the guy. Yeah, the he gotta be on top. He, he's, he's weighted down where you put in the EMMY Cinna ban next them really in your bed is in the bay that you're kidding now the bay? Yeah. Do we hit everything? Louis Louis wants tugboat. Nobody's Fool in. Nobody's Fool is a movie coming out, November the twelve, but the second was coming out the second of ember Tyler. Perry, Tyler, Perry movie. We shot that movie that movie's really funny is about two sisters and once I out of jail and the other sisters, getting cafes in the one that's out of jails, like she not letting I'm not letting nobody hurt my sister and year. I really like it a lot as a side made me laugh. So hard. Who's the other sister tika Sumner? Yeah, some. Some. Miss Maima fissile bad about that tickets. Tika Sumpter effort. Something something? Yes, she's the best. We have a lot. We had a lot of fun. We laughed a lot, and my favorite part of the home movie is like, it looks so good and we shot it in ten days and only work seven out of ten. It looks like over a long period. It's on. How many days was it? Ten days gimme a before we go. Give me advice for my thirteen year old daughter. If ice for your thirteen year old daughter try, keep it clean and then you wanna. I would advise her. Okay. Good advice for thirteen year. Old girl is to note to take a bath once a week. That's great advice. We shower everyday, but she needs to take a bath bath once week, especially what Peabody in like the stress of everything in like learning your body and it's like change in transforming. It's like this stressful time of her entire existence is the teenage years is like the hardest because everything is changing. You have no control over anything like you don't have any control over your body transforming like she's metamorphasized. So I would say to rely can alien. Yeah, like a straight up alien. She's like. Boobs. So I would sell it to take a bath once a week I'd settle for once about. We can't be more relaxed. That's good. I'm sure she's like, kinda like going through them emotions instead from one minute. She leads you next minute. She can't stand you like we, we've done pretty well so far. But yeah, it's definitely bad. Surprising Cup of the mood swings play sports outside. Think when people are teams, it's a little better because she's getting frustration in energy touch guitar. She's really tired. And if she plays sports us even more reason to take a bath, at least once a week to relax muscles data, the whole family agrees on, yeah, would does. She doesn't like to take baths. It doesn't shower showers. Okay, good. Yeah, but she's a grow thirteen. Probably don't feel like it was the whole thing. I'm so busy ams, busy. Just I watched whether send on them for practice. I have homework time to Bubba. Now she should. In which she should take shower every day. Yeah, that's exactly what am I. If I wash last. Yeah, and thank you on the weekends. Take a bath and put them back in the water. They keep your p. h. right. This is great. Yeah, peritonitis alike. Well, now to make her listen, this inertia, do it? Yeah, Tiffany told you. Yeah. Tiffany. Haddish said, put half the pound Baker solder. I don't get that part bakers helps with your balance, and it makes your skin really soft. 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When you're next movies, I'm just saying you never credit score was fine needs to be checking your score. Here's do. I'm going to check my score. I'm gonna. Tell Lewis what it was and then he's gonna tell you. It needs to be basically any do it needs to be over seven hundred over seven hundred fifty. You said fifty before Where'd you drop? It? Eight fifty is an excellent score. You said you had the highest score. You said you had a excellent. You'll take seven hundred lot. I asked you if it was a fifth for you. Hundred is a great is excellent. That's good. Seven hundred to eight fifty. How girl because that means you could buy a house. You could take care. If if if stuff off you can get so credit. So you made a great guy, but he's like at six sixty four, not nice out, not thank you, not. Thank you. Get your shit together comeback when you're together and you can fix that. You can go get target card a Sears car by pay it off over the course of six months, bam. Credit scores back up. Now come out at you. But you're doing well, you don't you. You can take wrist risk, free may response. The. That's what you credit show me. You know if you had a regular job. Especially government was you? They do. They check your credit. Yes, see responsible. Why are you coming up in my organization. I need to know you know how to take care of business. Are you gonna start? Do you have a production company now? Yes. Are you going to start producing stuff and doing the whole thing that producing things you're up the stuff? How about this. ACA. If if you come from our company, I'm going to run your credit. Just so you know, now this is like a job interview. I might make it hired by. I might be great. I might bring you into the she ready production could sell. I'm going check your credit. Are you responsible. Tiffany, haddish. Good luck with a good luck with Nate school. My kids will be there this weekend, gray, gray, looking forward to. I like four to six to hang out with everything. 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Guessing 2018-19 NBA Over/Unders With Joe House: The Ninth Annual Edition | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 427)

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Guessing 2018-19 NBA Over/Unders With Joe House: The Ninth Annual Edition | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 427)

"Today's episode, the Bill Simmons podcast on the ringer podcast network brought to you as, oh, as buyer friends, ZipRecruiter, you know, it's not smart, not listening to house than I an NBA over underwent totals. We had an off year for us last year and it still was not a losing year. This year will be a winning year. We feel very good about this year. You know what else is smart jobsites overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes. Luckily there's a smart way, ZipRecruiter dot com slash b. s. they find people. The rights goes for your job. Actively invite them to apply by listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free. It's crude dot com. Slash Bs. They are the best. They're rated number one, ZipRecruiter the smartest way to hire. Meanwhile brought to you by the ringer dot com. And the ringer podcast network and ringer preview palooza because that's happening. Oh yeah. On Tuesday, this is one of the best things we've ever done at this company and even like ranks up there with some of the grantland stuff to very ambitious all day affair on Tuesday, videos, podcasts, live watch on YouTube, the whole thing more details to come on Monday as our prepare you to ruin your day on Tuesday. If you love basketball, speaking of ruin your day called Jacko for the ringer mobile show to talk about the Red Sox Yankees in the Yankees demise. He was surprisingly level-headed. Normally we would have put it on this podcast, but we were just stacked. We had russillo and Kevin O'Connor, and I try to figure the NBA MVP talk to John C, Reilly. He was great. We still never for Jacko we, we moved our routine over to the ringer, a mobile show. So if you wanna hear us talk about that great. I might actually hop on there with my dad potentially to talk about Red Sox. Astros. It's great. It's baseball feed. We've put a baseball podcast, why not use it? So that's been fun and then bring her NBA show. We've been previewing the league for the past couple of weeks, Kevin O'Connor, Chris Vernon, finally, cannon named their podcasts that seems like the mismatch good times there. One shining podcast, the mailed Tate sixty boxes cheese. It's Kyle and cookies. Cow gotta tattooed. Tightest is coming LA. There's a world tour four cities in the mid west coming up next month. So they're having a break out good job by them and then last but not least on the podcast housekeeping front house. And I are also going on against all odds with cousin, Sal, and we're going to run that we're, I think we're gonna put that up Monday, but we're doing NBA futures on that. So that's MVP rookie of the year. Who's going to win the Taito. Finals, ma- finals matchup beds, all that scoring, title. All that stuff is going to be on against all odds with cousin sow. So if you liked that stuff, I would hop over there subscribe or keep an eye out. I don't know when that's coming up. Probably Friday. Maybe Monday were taping it today right now house and I, it's time. I don't know. This is like the eighth year the ninth year. Can you remember how many years we've been doing this NBA over under win totals answering important questions, like who the hell is Lloyd Pearson? What team does he coach? We're in find out that up right now, but fire Pearl Jam. Hello, my friends want a great show. We have on the house of that pack. Joe houses here though. Do you like my Joe hasa per station? That was that was your house. And personally, I tried, I half asked it. I have. I have asked like how Jimmy Butler half ass this week when now he's all about winning. And yet the three teams here requested trades to or the clippers nets and Knicks. I'm pretty sure those teams don't win consistently. The clippers did for like three years, but if you're all about winning, why not? But it has for trades two teams that win the rockets that makes sense loss. Look, I'm very excited to be here today doing the podcast they were about to do because it gave me the opportunity to tell you to remind you, you f ING need me. You do a win without me. Should I do that Jimmy Walker and Jan voice? Should I try and Jimmy Butler voice? Am I more towns or Wiggins. I am either talented that guy doesn't give a shit or the guy who's not an out for Doug. Oh, wait. I'm neither. I don't know what Jimmy Butler is talking about. I don't know what he's one. He's bet on this podcast twice. I liked him, but he's carrying himself like keys, Kobe Bryant in two thousand ten. It's like, make. He didn't say I'm a winner. He said to them, you can't win without me. He said to them. I know he'd me he is right. They do need them. They can't win without him. Yeah, but here's long as tips as a coach. He's unhappy playing with these two guys that allegedly don't care about winning and are soft or whatever narrative he's crafting, but then he was upset that they didn't trade him to Miami. I just want to remind people whose on Miami, Hassan, Whiteside Dion waiters. Are these guys that are like winners? What? What's going on here house? How can you be? I gotta get outta here. These guys don't care about winning. I wanna play with sun Whiteside. That's my guy. He's just to be happy anywhere he goes. I think the Miami thing is all Pat Riley. I give any time anybody says anything about Miami. I, I assume this van golly has been weaving his. His magic and has you know cast his spell IVA feeling? I would no inside information. I, I still feel in my bones that the rockets are going to. I think Miami thought it was going to be Miami a thought they had the best assets for trade other than the clippers clippers didn't wanna put Georgia's Alexander out there. Gilbert's Jill, just click it that run for the next five years. They don't wanna put shea in the table, which is fine, sir. Practive Miami had the best assets to make a trade. It almost happened. It fell through for whatever reason. And now because of the way the NBA works with these dudes that start texting each other. If Chris Paul and James harden get into this, hey, man, him envoy will. Let's get you here we, we can make this happen. Go blow up your Minnesota's situation. And then all of a sudden Darrow swoops in Erik Gordon, some picks maybe they sand Brandon nights contract, which is two years left for dang. Contract, which has three years left. They just kind of basically make it easy for Minnesota to get fifty cents on the dollar. And then they hope that Chris, Paul and hardened can corral Jim Butler does. The go-to you? Well, it makes sense with one exception. Tibbs appears to be a stubborn mother effort. Yeah, an old school. By the book, he's he stressed out a central casting for hoosiers. He could go if they remade hoosiers. He would be my number one. You know, recommendation for coach while he was single is single, like Norman, Dale. I mean, I just don't see him yielding he somebody would have to intervene and, but by the way I agree with you and I think he's right because guess guesses getting fired after the season. If if none of the stuff for out Tom thibodeau that's happening. So he's better off kind of doing this game and chicken with Jimmy Butler. And either his value goes up and December January, February. When people start becoming happy their teams or Jimmy Butler just stays either way. It's a better situation for him in his doer die years coach than fifty cents on the dollar and a trade. I think really, truly interesting intrigue there is whether or not he gets fired ahead of time because the owners just says, I'm not going to abide this. I want to get wherever I can for Jimmy Butler. I don't want this guy. I mean, there could be an owner overrule, right? Yeah. And the owner is has been a train wreck for twenty five years. The Butler towns Wigan situ. That sounds like a train wreck Butler has now been unhappy three different times in the past three years. It's in Minnesota, which you know is kind of funny in itself because the people there are probably just care about the Vikings and you know nobody wants to make a trade a week with the week left in the season. Nobody wants to shake things up. There's not the right assets out there. Can we all agree? It's much more fun if he just stays. That's how I want this to play out. I went to season start which himmy Butler in open contempt of towns in Wiggins, and they're all playing on league pass. That's what I want all for that. I have every limb of mind is up in the air right now. I have my both hands up. I have my later can stick in the air is up, right? So for that proposition, I asked her love personally. This is one of my favorite things as as a human being with weird. Weird pick billows. I love the people who carry themselves like there's something. Better than they are. And this is really a rare moment where we have is celebrity. That's not very self-aware who is doing this Amal about winning. I'm put, meanwhile, like part of winning is being a good teammate in being a leader and not just blowing things up the first chance again, which is what he's done. Now. I have just such a guy in my life here and I don't want to say any bad things about them because I'm going to say very many, very good things about him. But that's you just described John wall to a t? Yeah. Part of leadership is being a leader and being good teammate and not causing drama, and, but to be fair, like where would somebody like Jimmy Butler or John wall have had the opportunity to that that experience, they wouldn't. Right. All he doesn't have the experience. He doesn't know like the best part and his team. The first couple years he was in Chicago is was Derrick rose. Who's you know? They're not exactly making sports movies about all the great speeches, Derrick rose cave over his career. Like he's just it's a lead by example thing in a lotta ways to and I'm not sure, but there's may be seen the best examples. I think he's really proud guy. He's really stubborn. He works his ass off like the key thing. He said that Rachel Nichols interview yesterday was I'm not the tap most. The guy in this team towns is more talented. Wiggins has everything you'd want from player, but I worked the hardest, and that shouldn't be the case. It's like, all right, technically, you're right. But Wiggins is twenty two and towns is twenty two or twenty three wherever they are. They're not finished products yet. You actually can really help these guys. You could be their leader. The way to lead is not by just berating them and making them feel like shit and make them eight you. You're not Coburn. That's an extension of his head coach. Who has all of the traits and attributes that you just described? Right, which is dry. Grinding guys down, you know, coaching with with an iron fist, you know, by by all appearance isn't by reputation. The thing that I I'm interested in, we were together in Las Vegas. We had a podcast where that included some forecasting on how the league might change over the next couple of years. I really feel like the idea of the individual teams being run more like businesses where the leadership comes from an institutional culture kind of thing because we still have wide disparity a huge discrepancy between individual franchises and how they conduct themselves. The Spurs who I'm going to tell you right now, look very hard at their over notwithstanding the injury to the way. Yeah, I, it's institutional. It's a leadership by by inside from from a culture that they instill and how. The other teams in the league can't figure that out is just beyond me. There's not a lot of teams with the good infrastructure but asked, I think we're, this is the generation, the twentysomethings. I say this endearingly because a lot of them were. On the millennials aren't, you know these are millennials? This is like the submarine ios? Oh, they it's a little bit. What about me? What am I getting? Where should I go? I'm that happy ago here. It's it from a sports standpoint. It doesn't seem like anybody ever stays happy. Everybody's always thinking about asked, there's gotta be a better situation. Take a look at Butler. Butler is playing with towns who if we did the trade value list right now would be in the top eleven. He's playing with Wiggins who was really disappointing last year obviously. But you know, still has potential if he the, I wouldn't rule Wiggins out yet and they have some good role players. It's not a bad situation bothers making it see my keys on the Titanic at if you just go through. The league, like like there's real buzz now that Durant, my leave Golden State, and he's time for his next journey like this is coming from every circle of the NBA. Now it's not just like this is not just gossip. This is like this is very, very reminiscent to last year with LeBron's leaving Cleveland. It's just starting to feel like this is his last year there. To me, it's crazy. Why would he leave? He is a chance to potentially win. Four titles are three titles in three years, but they would be four and five. They would be on the shortlist. Of the greatest runs we've ever had in the league Russell south Dix the words winning four and five, the bulls winning six and eight and whatever the Mike ins Lakers did in the fifties. Like now we're talking about real history and you would leave that that seems weird to me then joined in the words in the first place. My crazy, no, and and you know, there's only a couple destinations that make sense. It does seem like with this generation of athlete, and we're not talking about sub twentysomethings anymore. Now you're 'cause we morphed into, you know, a player that's wanting to define a legacy. The only place he can go is the next any sense. What's the next? It has to be the next and has to be the Knicks. And by the way, it's actually a pretty good narrative for him and I get it. I understand it because if you, if you're, you know, obviously I've gotten to know bit not that well, but if you're starting to feel like I can't win in in, we can keep winning title. I'm always gonna take shit from people. And if you if you care about that, which I think he does the way to flip that is to go the next like, all right, man. You wanted me take a challenge. Here we go. This is this is the black sheep of the league. This team is was the first NBA team we had and they've won two titles. This team has not been relevant this entire century. This is the mecca. This is the biggest city in America. I'm gonna come here. I'm gonna bring you title. That'd be pretty ballsy. I don't think he should do. I don't think you should do it. Well, I'll tell you right now. I'm rooting for it. I'm rooting for it because I like the MBA when the Knicks irrelevant. I love MSG when MSG is bumping me. I mean, we've had, you know, just these little teasers with Madison Square Garden, getting fired up for individual players who gone on individual runs. The Lin sanity was such a great moment, but like the last extended great run at MSG the last, like you know, five years or so, it would be more finding the. League's more fun. If the Knicks are gay and there's a world in which. Next year they have RJ Barrett, Kevin Durant, Kevin Knox porzingus, and that's their nucleus like it's actually not unrealistic. Vicky also, don't. They have the money for one more free agent and they, they would have to frame tomato. It would for murder something. I don't know, can't rule it out. All right. We've we've digressed enough. We're gonna take a very quick break in United bang out our favorite podcast of the year NBA over unders. I'm super excited. I brought you here to win Joe house. So you about winning you about winning these over unders. 'cause I'm only about winning right now. I'm only with house. I don't want soft ass players around here. I'm here to win. I show maybe play renewed me these over others. I'm here to wed. Quick break. Talked about hotel tonight. Here's a little insider travel secret from our friends at hotel tonight. Tons of empty rooms at they're still available still wit and be booked at hotels hotel tonight. His partner with these incredible awesome hotels taught them. So they're unsold rooms, which means you get great deals. Forget scrolling through those never ending lists of worship. I stay what's this? What's this? 'cause just don't do it anymore. Hotel tonight shows you a select list of incredible deals, a cool hotels. They think you love the give short profiles. Of each hotel complete with all the info. You need pictures of the rooms really look like, even though their name is hotel tonight. They're not just there for last minute. Bookings book advance, spontaneous weekend getaways three day weekend, staycationing whatever you want. I am actually using hotel tonight this weekend because I have a soccer game with my daughter and a far away location. I love hotel tonight starts going amazing deals, incredible hotels. Go to hotel tonight dot com or download the app right now. I were back over to the east. I we're gonna try to do this one podcast. It might end up being along one, but what do you want from us? The Eastern Conference the Celtics. So basically what happens is Vegas sets an over under for the winds for the year you can you the bed over under house that I liked to do this. What we're gonna do is we're gonna pick over owners for each team. We're no have between five and seven best bets. Overs are under that. We love. And in some cases, like with the Celtics here, there's been enough action on one side or the other that they skew the line. So the Celtics the over unders fifty, nine wins, but the money line of the the money on it is minus one thirty. So it's not an even bet if you bet the over, you're risking thirteen hundred dollars to win a thousand, if that makes sense. So when I say something like buying us one thirty minus one, twenty five, that means there's been action on the over. So here the Celtics fifty. Nine wins over under there were fifty five. Last year there minus one forty to win the division minus one twenty to win the conference. And I think you and I are aligned on this one as a best bet they went fifty five vice chair. They're getting a healthy kyri Hayward's back whether he can be even eighty percent of the guy. He was two years ago where to find out he's the big x factor on this team Tatum year to Jalen Brown year three, Marcus smart n Rosiere off the bench Rozier in a little bit of a contract, semi contract ear, Marcus Morris, coming off the bench. They actually have a real bench. They have the best coach in the league or maybe top three at worst, I would have him as the best Cleveland is out of the division coli. Leonard is back back in the division, but LeBron Zada Cleveland. I cannot see a roadmap where this team doesn't win at least sixty three games. I was shocked at this number was under sixty. I'm removing on my Celtic phantom. I actually. You think this has a chance to be a really great regular season team, whether this will translate to the playoffs. I don't know, but the depth that they have the scoring options. They have the ability of the lineups that they can go big or small like three point shooters out there. They put multiple guards there, whatever you want, they can do it. They have the ability to have kyri rest for a night. Third game in four nights, Kerry. Take tonight off. We'll just play Terry Rozier forty minutes who by the way played was the starting guard of too little must've been the finals last year, just a lot of options and they're in a bad conference house, a making it a lack. I'm going over with our first one. I don't know how to avoid this. I mean, I, I don't mean to come on here in the in the in the usual ass kissing lackey kind of mode. I mean he did give me to podcasts. We've had lots of great meals together. You pay every time we're together. I just can't come up with an argument against the Celtics. I absolutely love the over. I can't believe the number wasn't like sixty two, but don't get it in and just to give people, you know something to really think about fifty. Nine is four more games than they won last year yet and they have they're, they're the only weakness on the team was their their offense. They were a middle of the road offense and and the two guys coming back are outstanding across the board in every kind of offense of category that you want. The thing that is so compelling to me, the Celtics fifty nine and fourteen over the last two seasons against teams under five hundred don't lose too bad teams. There are a bunch of bad teams in the east. The sixty wins feels delightful. I am banging the over. I am joining you in a lock. It reminds me and I, you know, the warriors in fifteen. Mean, I think from a talent standpoint, they're actually pretty close to that team. You know, the differences curry is gonna end up being one of the best twenty players ever twenty five, whatever it is. I, I don't think anyone in the Celtics roster has the ceiling that curry has as Alzheimer's, but that year when the when the warriors the first year when Kerr joined the team and they kind of took off and they really kind of found themselves and they kinda relish kicking ass night after night. The Celtics team has done that yet, and they haven't had that the depth that they have the fact that their bench is going to be really tough and be able to come in and actually swing games like they're gonna be they have, I would say the one of the top three starting fives in the league, and then you bring in the frigate Marcus's who are just easy guys. All right. We were stabbed. Great. The bummer for me is there's not a bet who's gonna finish with the league's best regular season record for somehow. There's a million frigging MBA props and that's not a bad. I don't understand it because I think part of what's going to motivate this them this year is trying to get home court because that's their one chance against the warriors in a finals. They have to get the home court and youth. The warriors will take nights off. They'll do what they always do. They'll talk about, oh man, this is such a grind and so tough. And you know, maybe they settle in the low sixty somewhere last year. They're only fifty eight it. It's been proven. You have the power with call up our POWs in Vegas and get get one of the books to to give up that prop the problem to be oppressed going to be. That's not going to do it for even money. It's gonna cost. You have to pay to get that. I still well, if you look at the over under for win totals the Celtics do not have the highest over under. I know Golden State does, but on state does Golden State is. Sixty three. So I think they would be the prohibitive favorite for homecourt advantage. But I, I think the Celtics have a real chance to get it. Let's move on. We talked about Celtics too much Toronto's at fifty five and a half there plus two fifty to win the Boston's division plus four hundred for the conference. Last year they went fifty nine games. They've flipped the Rosen into Kuwait Leonard. They have OG Nabi who a name on their ribbons, say healthy this year, two years off knee surgery. They're expecting good things from him and a new coach. They got rid of our boy doing Casey. I think out of all the teams in the east, there's two teams that I think have a chance to get to sixty and it's Boston and Toronto. I would not bet on this. I still don't know forgetting eighty two from coli. I'm gonna go with a very half ass tentative squeamish over pick, but it's t- too much in the air with. Why? For him play nine games last year, where do you have? I had the over as well. Good track record in Toronto. There is a culture of winning in Toronto one more than fifty five games in two of the past three seasons. They've hit the over on this Wintle thing. Each of the past seven straight years, and I really like the the core that they have. They demonstrated such a deep bench in such a in a an ability to we've guys in kind of seamlessly. This experiment this season will be a chemistry experiment. How does coli fit in? There's no reason that he cannot come in and immediately kick ass when he also has. He also has a the Toronto fans. They have really good fans. I like the Toronto fans unless LeBron is in there just there. So. I'm with you the tea. That's great. Unless LeBron's there, then the the t. dot gets very Blair. Witch goes just looks in the corner turns around and get super scared, but Kawai knowing that he's in a contract year, I think it's gonna be a love fest for that dude this year. And I actually think he'll like it. I think this is the most attention he's ever gonna get a wire. I already told you the the biggest factor for me. The one of the great intrigues of the season is the Drake affect on Kauai. Oh yeah. The find out whether or not quite likes to rat because Drake is going to invite them to the studio. We're gonna see so much Drake and Kawais spending time together since Araca, whatever is Drake's biggest challenge. She's been the most useful. The last decade, but this is a much bigger challenge. Exactly, right. I'm ready to unleash my imitation of coil laughing. Go ahead. Now it was worse than that. Okay, park another. It was the one of the weirdest sounds a human being is made slight over Vern Toronto. We both think they have a chance collide plus nine fifty eight MVP that was russillo favourite pick. There's a world in which he comes in kicks ass and they go sixty two and twenty. I don't see a world where they're in the low fifties or even the hi four days unless he gets injured and that's pasta, which is why we don't bet this. Where would be. Where would amusement it's an over. We're both in agreement that it's an over and we're both in agreement that it's not anything to lean into too heavily, and we haven't talked about this next one. We're still in the Atlantic Division. Philly fifty. Four wins is the over division is plus four hundred. I would not bet this one either. I think it's a stay away. I'm going under on this. I. There's some stuff that there's some red flags with Philly. I think pe- people are treating them like their contender. Meanwhile they won five playoff games. We haven't seen them be play, you know, for them to for them to go fifty five and twenty seven fifty eight and twenty four, whatever. They're going to need twenty one twenty two hundred minutes from Embiid. This year they're gonna play seventy plus games. They're going to need him to play thirty two thirty three thirty, four minutes a game. I'm not saying he can't. We just haven't seen it yet and this is year five for him. So that's a red flag. They lost ballot, Ellen Ilyasova their benches and his good. They're relying on faults in a way that makes me nervous. Their their attitude is let's throw him in. We think we might have something or I actually would bring him off the bench and ease them in as a six man. I don't like the spacing with faults and Simmons and Embiid all at the same time. And I think there's going to be some hiccups expectations. Embiid and Simmons as they both get more and more attention. Just some tiny, red flags, nothing major other than beat south, but enough to make me think low fifties, high forties for them. What do you have? That seems right to me until somebody can tell us how many games and be is gonna play the Sixers last year were forty and twenty two when Embiid played more than ten minutes in a game. Yeah, translates into a fifty to win pace. Wow, that makes sense to me that sixty two games that he plays in that fifty two wins that's under. Yeah. By the way, I'm surprised to hear that I would have guessed when he played that they would be on a pace that would be higher than this forty four fifty four win over under. So even when he played, they were under that pace, man, I'm starting to think this might be a lack. I gotta think about it more. I'm a, I'm not gonna lock because every one of the points you observe could go in the other direction. Embiid could play. Twenty one hundred minutes this season. He could of any player that that's prepared to make a leap. He could make a leap. I'm I like I'm gonna look at his odds. I haven't yet for MVP on. I have them for you right now. And by the way, I think this is a better bet than there are runner. He's fifteen two one win the MVP and there's a world in which he plays twenty five hundred minutes. He plays seventy seven games. He puts up some early Orlando shack season like he he has like twenty eight and twelve and Philly wins fifty eight games and he's the MVP. It's conceivable. I don't think it will happen, but it's about teen to one. I I like that. That's the way that I would bet this. You know, I, this is this number fifty. Four is a stay away to me. I you go under. All right. So you're alive and under under just miles on the bench. They replaced a Ilyasova embel- Anneli with Wilson Chandler and Mike Moscow, woah, yet. Next one is another upgrade. Next one's Brooklyn thirty. Two. Wins. And let's brush over this because I have no f- inclu with what's going on with them. They have some players they elect Sean marks doing a great job Sean marks. It's really rebuild, Brooklyn, give them hope. Again. It's like who's they? Why won't you trade care sliver for Jimmy Butler that really on the table? Can you do that? Well can kit. Here's the thing. Can I treat everyone in my team for Jimmy Butler and just have Jimmy Butler and free agents, but cap space. This is the first time since two thousand thirteen? Yes, thousand thirteen Bill Simmons. Yes, that the Brooklyn nets are going to enter the off season with their own, pick with their own first round pick that's either their pick or they don't have to pick swap it, which is how they lost the Tatum pick. Yeah, they have their own pick. So we're aligned. I I'm I'm going under because it makes sense for them to be not good this year. If they're ever going to say this, the be goods and their thanks Kenny Atkinson Hasim playing hard and none of these guys. Jared, Allen diangelo Russel, Spencer Dinwiddie. They're not going to like they're not. Rollovers. So this was interesting. I was looking at the make playoffs bets Cleveland out of the playoffs. There's a spot open for the eight seat and the candidates are like Charlotte who will get to Detroit, maybe even Cleveland without LeBron little tiny, junior Ewing theory moment or somebody has to be the, we can't enter the plastic seven teams. Brooklyn's playoff odds, Brooklyn to make the playoffs is only plus two eighty five. That tells me Vegas thinks there's a world in which they actually make a run for it and try to be eighteen. I think that'd be ludicrous that that's just the terrible move. Just bottom out for one more year. Have your cap space go nuts. So let's go slight under on this, but I don't feel good about it. Sure, agreed. Next one is the Knicks I've no feel for this when either twenty nine and a half over is the number plus one fifteen. If you go over, that means everyone's bang in the under on this. They are plus six fifty to make the playoffs. I would guess we won't see Porzingis if he's not ready until January February and they decide they wanna tank very excited to watch Kevin Knox. This year I got. I gotta say I was shocked by how high this over was. Kind of threw me off. I would have assumed it was twenty five twenty six. They're basically the Knicks Mike o. thirty and fifty two. If is Dale? I don't know what. What? What are you confused by? Well, I in twenty nine games. Last season singer is out until February and maybe the whole year games against the raptors, the Celtics and the Sixers. That's their division. Yeah, it's be terrible and they should be terrible. Deficits sense. What about Fidel you're not worried about him trying to win games. Who's he gonna win with Tim Hardaway junior. Right? We're going to see a ton of Mitchell Robinson and Kevin Knox which makes all the sense in the world. They're very best move is to lose as many games as possible to add one more enticing gift to the pot by way of the draft and then try and lower a free agent or two in I, I mean, I'm they either way all over. Go ahead. No, I'm sorry. I meant I didn't mean are up to I. The funny thing is I agree with you. I think the Knicks fans will be up for because now the Durant cared is being dangled and that's all they're focused on. So if you're ever gonna tank, this is the perfect year the between Kevin Knox who we all think is going to be good. I'm excited to watch him between him and the Durant possibility. Just the perfect gift for them. The tank take away who cared go away. So right. Here's my thought instead of buying out Joe came Noah or whatever staredown was going on right now. I'd bring him back and play him. Oh, you're out of shape and you have bad knees. As you're playing forty minutes today, let's run the student in the ground. He could help us tank washed up. Joking knows their biggest asset this year. That dude should be out there. Guess who else should be out there all time. Frankie Knittle Akina who is by all accounts. One of the worst offense, appoint cards. We've had maybe not Quinn Buckner bad, but kinda one, maybe Lindsey, hunter level. I would have him out there. I'll be running pick and rolls with Frankie Frankie nicotine and jokey Noah. That's my go-to play. Bring him these these names that you're saying in this rationale? I don't. I had this written down in bright red. Under it's all cats. It's an all caps under so terrible lack. That's a let a Joe house lock. All right. I can't. I don't know if that's a lack for me yet, but I'm gonna under as well. All right. Censure division. This is going to be locked for me. This is gonna be a pull my pants down and just pee in the air. I'm so excited luck. Like my eight year old kid. This is where Tom's bachelor party in succession right now. And I'm just so excited just so excited. No, because no. 'cause I met a girl and bub-bubba Tony's. It was at the soup of spilled so hot right now. Joe house just hot MU walkies over unders forty, eight wins. They won forty five. Last year with Forrest Gump is their coach. They traded Eric Bledsoe, they trade for blitz. Midway through the season, they fired Jason Kidd brought him Forrest Gump. They had Jabari Parker plan on one leg who was just furious the whole time that Yana said stolen the franchise from him. They played with a really slow pace, which Kevin O'Connor broke down perfectly in his piece about yada s and how you might make the leap. Everything, everything. Everything is pointing to the bucks making leap this year. Everything is pointed to a possible MVP season in for Jaanus which is why he's my favorite bed at five to one last year is twenty seven, ten and five. If they increase the pace all the sudden that might start to look like thirty twelve and six, which is MVP numbers. They added brick Lopez that are really liked. I don't know why the Lakers didn't sign him Ilyasova at least you know he can be a rotation guide be semi reliable and. I gotta be honest. I think this team could land in the mid fifties. Coach bud is a real coach that guy that guy won sixty games with the hawks. That is not a joke, not a lot of coaches of one sixty. I am making this a simply safe lock. What how my house is losses? I have sympathy. Yeah, they didn't even know. They know they're in this podcast simply say, how about that? We should have the simply safe. Lock of the of the sympathy onto is lack to is, is in win with two is win over. What do you have? I don't have anything to say, I'm joining you joining the lock. I think that Milwaukee is loaded for bear one interesting thing to me. I think you can guess though, get them around twenty two one. What are what are they. To to win the fifteen to one to win the conference. That's kind of interesting to me. Well, even more interested in that. Bucks now that they're less than fifty to one win the conference, but bucks. Where's a bucks? Worriers finals right now is twelve to one. Bucks Lakers. What do you think the odds are for that. A thousand to one now. All right. You're, I hate doing this with your sometimes. I mean, it's ridiculous bucket. Lakers is not going to be the finals. It's one forty to one. It's not going to be the finals hundred forty. We'll be thousand to one Jaanus versus LeBron completely unrealistic to you. Completely unrealistic. I can't overstate how unrealistic that is. We're going to get to LeBron in the second half of this podcast, and I just really hope he's taken notes. I really hope he is heard. I'm going to save it, but I really hope he's listening to the narrative of he's thrown away this year and he's in the west. It's over. I didn't who said that. He I saying it. Lack more Ocoee, lock forty, eight wins lock over next one and you in you're in for a lock to. I am. I joined you on that lock. Relax, relax, let teams and I have three locks. This is like what? It's like when we used to go to strip joints twenty years ago, you would just immediately get your locks out and then you just be ready to go home. If Indiana I know all my money was gone. Indiana forty, eight wins. I people are very excited about tyreek Evans for some reason. Oh, no, he is that that is the opener. Did you watch any last night. I watched the second game. I didn't see a lot of the first game. I think our own Mark Titus is the. Esteemed expert on whether or not a player is fat. So I'd like to get his input on that. That's great. I wish we Mahlum who is it? Who's the player? Tyreek Evans, oh, he looked fat. You look fat to me anyway. You Louis techs, Titus and see if we tell them we made him the fat expert. And we wanted to know if tire expat, if he thinks tyreek Evans's fat. All right. We'll get a live update from Titus on this. I, you know, there's some. There's some positive stats for him like his his scoring efficiency. The fact that his three point shooting is actually pretty not even sneaky. Good. It's been openly good and you know, watching that Indiana team, how broken they were last year and how easy was to just take out all depot, putting three guys on them, and there is no plan b again, all the reasons I just him and McDermott. I don't think that's enough of an upgrade. I think the east got better. I don't feel like they're better in less this whole miles Turner. I'm in great. Shape. I'm ready to be the side kick for old depot. That's the x factor. That's why I don't feel that strongly about it either way. Forty eight actually feels like the right number. I'm gonna go just a shade under just a hair, but I don't feel strongly about it. There also plus thirty to win the division I should mention as well. We finally have a disagreement grain taking the over. I think they're going to be five fifty win teams in the east this year as a direct result of there being five, extra gobble ex- extra God execrable execrable. It's like having Trump tried to try to pronounce anonymous five horrendous teams in the east right here. So I think they're going to be five fifty. One teams I have Indiana in their at at fifty wins. I think there are surprisingly deep. I like the Kyle o. Quinn signing. I think that one too. I like that. It is well, and you know, I have to just have an opinion on miles Turner, and I think that the commitment to getting himself healthy in the way that he did, I'll I'll go ahead and and be a glass half full kind of guy about him making a small leap because he regressed last year. Let's be honest that team won. You know, hover many forty eight games last season. Yeah, and and he was not like a huge part of it. It wasn't because he made a giant leap. It was all a victory depot. So nice for fifty games. I guess my question with him. I'm still not a hundred percent. Sure what he does and you've heard me say this on pods many times what I mean by that he does stuff is out there is getting points rebounds, but like what's his elite? What's his elite skill? What is this is one thing. So one thing that makes him special. He on paper looks great, but then you watch you watch that Cleveland series in and you can't really post them up. He's not this amazing above the rim all the time athlete. He's not an amazing rebounder. He's not an incredible defender. He's just kinda solid. So I so even if he's in the greatest shape of his life, I still I, I guess I need to see what that means because I'm not sure that's going to help him demand to be double teamed in the low post. You know, we got an update. Well, I'm not. I'm not going crazy on my selection. It's a small over from a smaller them around way more important than this. I have a small underway more important. Mark. Titus has an update is Tara, givens, fat. I say, no, I think he just got a fat face and his beard dozen, no favors. Wow. Okay, great. Real time analysis from Mark Titus. You can hear him on the wind shine podcast. Next one up to trait, new coach tame Van Gundy by the way the best trade of the year was staying Van Gundy going from Detroit ESPN. I like him on ESPN enjoyed having a mind yesterday. Great treaty speed, great trade it even as a bad contract. Yeah, he's good. I, that was a great. What if for me we it was almost me him. Magic Johnson and Michael wilbon that I year I was on countdown and then David Stern stepped in and basically blocked the higher this happened. People think like, I'm I mentioned Santa pod five times. I don't know what these sports Boggs do. Like what? What makes good content like go research this this one hundred percent happened. He was signed. He added deal stay. He's talked about this and stern was like, I don't want to van Gundy's and just squashed it. He ended it in Jalen up getting added to the show like nine days before I show. And I remember sending John wild hack, who is the quote, unquote person in charge of content of the is pin at the time. I use the codes very small, but I was like, man, are we going to have like a rehearsal is liquid me? Jalen Wilby magic. Are we going to rehearse and he emailed back. It's not how you start. It's how you finish. And I was thinking like, I don't know that much about TV, but I'm pretty sure. Sure. It's how you start pretty sure. I impress fatter television, maybe a rehearsal help. Anyway. John wild heck is now an athletic director. So that's my ESPN story of the day Detroit thirty eight and a half wins over under. What do you think. Stake. They caught a buzz register of this up it. It started much lower than this, and for some reason there is it's all the way they had thirty nine wins last season. Yeah, I think they're right. Their sort of talent wise, not not a whole ton change. Their expected win total last year based on their point. Differential was forty one and they ended up at thirty nine. So both of those numbers are above thirty eight and a half. I'm gonna go slight over. I think they're the eighth playoff team in the east. It's just hard to to to point to anything on that team to get excited about. You mean Reggie Jackson Reggie. Bullock Stanley Johnson, Blake, Griffin, Andrey German does a gay excited deflect. Blake, Griffin's roast battle drove up their ads because he was so impressive battling Jeff Ross. That that was an incredible roast by the way, all props to play Crippen it was. It may be his singular best. He has a career after basketball. Yeah, and honestly might have been his his most impressive performance of the season? Yeah, at least three years I I'm going to go under. I don't feel good about it. I'm not betting on it, but. Okay. I'm not convinced by Griffin can play two games anymore. And once you remove him from that hypothetical depth chart. It's really mediocre team. It's it's an a five hundred team. I think it's worse mediocre. I also really don't see how German and Blake Griffin makes sense together on the same basketball team in two thousand nineteen. That's it. Certainly not where the league is heading, and I don't think they do. This is why Stayman gun is on television right now. Yeah, that's true. It's a great point with having said all of that. They only have to win the same number of games as last year and LeBron James is doesn't play in their conference anymore. Make play apps for them as minus one seventy five, which I was very surprised by. Yeah, that means Vegas thinks they are the eighth seed. I disagree. I'm gonna give you my see a little bit later. Next one is Cleveland. Cleveland won fifty games last year there over unders thirty one minus one twenty five, which means we've had a lot of action on the over there plus four fifty to make the playoffs. I gotta say like if you at gunpoint the charter Cleveland, I actually would probably pick Cleveland because of the infrastructure have not been context than have watched him a couple times in the preseason. He seems like a year away to your way to me and I know they're going to have to play him. That's that's the main reason I was thinking about the the under on this, but I'm not going to go under I I actually think they're in the mid thirties, and this number seems too low to me. They have a lot of guys. They've lot of veterans to know to play basketball, Kevin, love. Who is now going to get a lot of crunch time. Obviously, I think he's a really good offense of player. I actually thought one of their mistakes. The last couple years was not giving him more crunch time opportunities, Tristan Thompson, JR, Korver all these guys. We watched on the finals. These are all professionals at least. I don't know I'd for for whatever reason I'm leaning over. What do you think has no with good reason? The reason you just mentioned that's a good reason to lean over. I'm taking the over as well. I think it's just, you know, when you have that many guys that have been professional basketball players that have been to the finals consecutive years, yet the way that Kevin love and Tristan Thompson, JR Smith and Kyle Korver have those guys just, you know, know how to win basketball games. They're not going to be cowed by Eddie situation if they're healthy and George hill is a nice, you know, professional basketball, he's another wasn't yes, excite you. He, he was a afraid to win a game, and he cost us an interesting. NG NBA finals last year with that, missed free, throw chair. But you know, for the purposes of getting to thirty two wins, that's a competent basketball team. So. Around, but it's I it was plus three sixty for them to make the playoffs. I here's what here's what change my mind in them a little bit. They had the Celtics Cavs game. Preseason. I watched it because I love the Celtics team more than just about anything and the Cavs had like a little swagger to them. I'm surprised a lead to the JR Smith, Marcus smart altercation which was replayed and the sand social, but made me think like that. I think the cat, I think this is kind of a proud Cavs team, right? They made the finals four straight years. Everyone is completely written them off. And meanwhile, you know, they have a bunch of dudes on the team who are expensive for a reason. At some point, somebody thought they were competent Kevin love. I still feel like is like the twenty seventh best part in the league. He's in the top thirty. He's probably closer to the bottom of top thirty, but I, it's weird to me that they, they are eight wins lower than Detroit because I'm not sure there's a difference from talent standpoint. At least we know with Cleveland, they have some pride and some chemistry. So I'm going over on. That's not a lock from you though. Last. With you. Last one is the bulls, twenty nine f wins. Plus four fifty to make the playoffs for them minus one, twenty five for the over which means people are banging the over. Wow, I think this team is going to be a defensive shit show. It's my expert opinion the, I it, it's a proven fact. Yeah, I'm not really going on a limb, but if if somebody's scores seventy this year, this would be my number one candidate to be the the other team in the game that were somebody's court seventy. I would lock. I would like Chicago is a minus three hundred favourite for who who is going to give up a seventy point game to an MBA player. I would say Chicago is the minus three hundred favorite. They were in the bottom five last year in both offense and defense. Other than that, not bad. Yeah, they're the division that we just went through kind of murderer's row. Yeah. If both, Indiana and Milwaukee are around that fifty game win in Detroit is around forty. We think Cleveland's gonna be mid thirties as well. I don't know if I use the word murderer's row. I just think you know Milwaukee in Indiana. I'm just saying I wouldn't use murderers row. Okay. Cleveland in the traitor in that division come on as good point. All right, fair enough. Fair enough. Has a little bit of an overstatement, exciting, your exuberant? Well, I just think that that they're the right move for them is to lose. It doesn't make any sense for them to go win. They need to get a great asset to to to join. They have a real nice young core. I said, bad things last year about, is it a real nice around he or is it a real nice core. Is it could have a young a, a decent nice core because I think will Carter junior is going to be good though. I can't marketing could be good if you add one more piece. One of these do kids to those two guys. Now you have a nice young core. I don't. I'm out on on Levin. I'm out on done. Well, you can't be out on them because they bar just paid the Wien. They paid them like twenty million a year, either making twenty to paint my Jabbari like forty million combined. That's that. Why are they doing that? Why are you doing that? Chicago, I, I love window Carter junior, and I think he will be. I think he's gonna start. I think he's going to be heard of heard from I love this draft. I think it's going to be a really memorable draft fifteen years from now and and he's one of my favorite guys in it. And he's also a grown man already, which is amazing. He's just a big dude. He did a little ringer thing with us, but one of those guys who's big already, but you still know he's going to add twenty five pounds of muscle of next couple of years. I just liked that guy. I think he's a homerun pick for them, but there I just don't like the team. They put together and I think the east is better than people realize so I'm going under. I wouldn't bet on it only really locks on the for first Kogyo. Oh, coming up. We're going to talk about your favorite team, the wizards of Washington. But first, hey, we have a, we have a sponsor. This is you'll be excited for this own house. I wanna talk, but the action network which is run by a male friend, Chad millman so they have a free idea. Yeah. Chad moments bent on this, not this pod, but the other part. So that only do I love Chad. I subscribe to the action that works so money. If if I'd known that this was a thing I wouldn't have paid for it, I would have got it for free chat compass. What are you doing? So the action network has a free app. You sign up, you can put your bets and they can track the bets. They also have really good win probability for NBA. It's good. It's kind of good to have everything track like on the Bs. Pakistan went one and three last week. I, I'm five hundred for the season. I don't know the exact number because I don't track it. I should should've put him on the action network. Download the free app. You can follow my picks every week. I'm putting him in this week. I did a action, our dot com slash Bill. And you know what we should put in there. What these over under does. Why put I have three NFL picks this week? I think I had. I have Jacksonville minus three Dallas. I think Dallas, thanks the Clapper's going to get fired, and I don't think their offense scored twenty points against Jacksonville and Bortles will not be at that bad too. So I like that one. I like the bears minus three in Miami Amal in on this bears team against bad or mediocre offenses. I think their defenses can win single Hanley and then I have a parlay that's just about, I'm sorry. I've that the bears in a parlay with the Rams that's just about even odds. The bears are minus two hundred the Rams or like minus three eighty, but the view in Denver. But if you add them together, it's perfect. And then the third one I have straight up Cincinnati, minus two at home against Pittsburgh. What do you think of those picks Joe house? I like three of the four. I'm not gonna tell you which one I don't like because I still have to make my picks. Would they who you can make the pitch for this is the podcast. Oh, this is the picks podcasts. Now just like prepared for NFL. I'm just asking what picks you liked. Oh, I, I really liked the the Bengals this week against a at home me to do you like my bears Rams teas are parlay, bears have to win a Miami Rams, have to win in Denver. That's it. Nothing else, no points. Nothing. Home dogs went four, no last week, which means you want the regression that's natural, come home dogs this season or fifteen and seven. Yeah, I have both those stats off always fifteen and seven after five weeks. I think that's right. So they oh, and they tend to end up just a little above five hundred. So a regression is coming. Yeah, that would be my concern is Miami at home as a frisky home dog potentially against the bears because Trubisky never trust risk. I don't trust your bears defense bed. That's it. So listen, go to action network dot com. Slash Bill. You can get all these ads. They have a really Good Friday calm that I like to about with all the ads and percentages and stuff in there. So there we go. All right. Back to the NBA bets. We're on the southeast. We're on a strike. How long have we gone Kyle? Like fifty minutes. We are fifty. Nine minutes. Oh man. This is gonna be like a tuna fire pod. All right. Listen, got get the people what they want, sometimes Washington, but like to order some food. Now we'll we'll get it up. We'll be fun. Forty five and a half wins for your wizards. Dwight Howard strong preseason. He's already seen to back specialists and I think I think he's getting wheeled around in one of those things like the little bicycle wheelchair things. So he'll be fine. John wall is he fat? Is he trying to hat? Fat is a little fat. What's John wall's deal? All right. Go ahead. I just wanted to share this this factored speaking on the action network. Yeah, Matt Moore did a lot of hard work. I'm going to give a shout out to Matt more of the action that work since we're pimping them. I've enjoyed his comprehensive overview of of win totals this season. He shares his factoid teams that Dwight Howard has been on have hit the under in seven of the past eight seasons. The ones season that that is team went over was the two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen Houston Rockets. And the reason that they hit the over is because Dwight only played in half the games. He played in forty one games. That's my pathway to get to the over for my Washington almost bullets. The we arts. I like forty, six wins for them. Okay. I liked it. It's a, it's a. You know info at all. It's just I just like it because Dwight Howard regression, that's your. That's your logic regression. They won forty three games last year with with John wall missing half the games. I'm saying that right Howard, the Dwight Howard is the Dwight Bola virus. This is actually the year. He won't be the Dwight Bulloch virus dies at your lawn saying he he could be Dwight boulevards, but he can't. He can't af- infect the team if he's not playing and it's possibly won't be playing because he's already has a but injury the most white Howard in Washington almost bullets injury ever. Dwight Howard has an injured buttocks, forty five and a half the I. This was one of the toughest ones for me. Yeah, I still think Bradley Beal can get a little bit better with good reason. I still kinda like your team felt like they underachieve last year and then and the divisions not good, just not or Landau an Atlanta near division in Charlotte while I kinda like Charlotte. Stink, but that's good. What most hurts my feelings is that you read Matt Moore's over under peace and didn't come up with your own ideas and your own work. So you got to live with that. I just shared a nugget. I have nuggets over the plan, read other people's over. I'd like to come up with my own ideas. I do have my own ideas. I was prepared to pick the almost bullets on the over anyways. I'm not doing any glass half empty Bs with my own team. They haven't played a single game yet. John wall, this is the season. This is really a career defining season for him. He's either going to show up and be awesome and not be an undermine or sabotage her. He's going to to somehow through. I don't know what, what kind of aas? Boasts? Maybe he can go go to business meetings with Ted Leonsis and see what a leader looks like. He I, but this is it. He either has to show up and lead this team and make Dwight Howard and his other teammates better or not, and leave be traded. He must be traded if he's not gonna come in and and and if they start off slow, I think this trading re, we'll start turning. He needs to leave. This is a nice window into your psyche because I've known you for thirty years now and. There are a couple of girls. You just stayed with too long. And we will go have drinks. We talk about it and then like another six months would pass and now you're married, but now John wall has become that girlfriend. You're staying with two long. Each should move. You should break up mentally with John wall is my advice you just heard me say, so I'm, I'm ready. I finally talked myself into it. I'm going. I'm going under. All right. I just there other teams, other teams in the east. I like more feels like a forty four and thirty eight or forty five and thirty seven forty six feels ambitious for the team. They have. Next one is Miami. This is tough. Miami's forty two and a half. We have no idea if they're going to trade for they're gonna get Jimmy Butler for Josh Richardson in crap protected pick like obviously that's going to be worth five or six wins. I can't believe there's this much debate about Josh Richardson. If if I'm reading Miami and Minnesota's like, look, here's what we want. We want Josh Richardson. We want top five protected pack and bam. Outta bail. I'd be like, okay, done. Let's call it the leak. Really. I get Jimmy Butler. I'd have to give up anyone who's gonna make all star team. Okay, good. Let's call it in. I can't believe that Riley has gotten this done yet. Just pay just go. Got Jimmy Butler. I don't care if he's crazy. I think this is tips. I don't think it's Riley. So you think tips is just stringing him along, but doesn't actually want to trade for? Yes, that's exactly what I think thousand percent. 'cause Miami doesn't have that really creme de LA creme first round pick to offer that makes it, you know, just too good at offer to not take for Minnesota. Well, I like the over there for the division plus one eighty Washington's minus one sixty for the division. They're intriguing division pick to if you've just banking on that. This other thing is a catastrophe Indians of going there. I just like some of the guys on the team. I don't care if waiters island is on fire right now is there's petulance and. Just people throwing up all over the island and things are going bad. They I, I just like some of the guys and the only reason just find it hard to believe Spoelstra is going to go under five hundred, which is basically when this thing supposed to has no track record of having bad seasons here here the competing factors Miami, they, they win. They've only one forty one games or less three times in the past fifteen years. So that is the place with with the culture of winning. We talked about institutional winning culture of of winning institutional leadership. Miami has they don't neither individual players to be leaders because the franchise provides the leadership that the the guys need. The only thing that I think can come up with him. I'm on. I'm going to go over with you. I'm going to join you on the over because I think forty three winds is eminently reasonable. The one thing that can sabotage this is his son Whiteside because they can't just bench him and not have him play because he's. Satisfied and play, you know, four with fourteen guys, they they can't de. So here's my counter that we, I think I think Miami is poised for some sort of trade in. Obviously they felt the same way if they're trying to get you. But the last two weeks, it's a, it's a roster that is somewhere like a smidge over five hundred. But I think there's a lot of different ways they can improve it and they're just smart and they always strike when there's a chance to add somebody who's really good. They have different types of pieces that are good in trade, like Dragages somebody you can put in a trade to upgrade to a slightly better point guard. They have Justice Winslow who I think is entering his restricted free agency year. He's tradeable bam's tradeable, Josh Richardson, people like I ten million. He's really, he's trade about ten million. Seems like a really fair price for me for him. They have their pick, they can kind of move around. They don't have their picking two thousand twenty, but. Olympics contract is not awful. The only contract they have trader goes waiters. Yeah, he's hopeful in the thing is the salary caps. One hundred billion dollars, and there's only thirty good players in the league at some point, Kelly Atlantic for ten million dollars. It's actually not the worst thing in the world. So I I like the over. I think they can make their team better. Yeah. Yeah, you just talk me and I'm not going to suggest that either one of us make a lock on this, but you know what I did. I got up my highlighter pen using a yellow highlighter pen for all of these ones that were. I'm going to bet my own hard-earned cash. This is one because I a thousand percent subscribed to the idea that they're going to make a trade over the course season. There's some sort of day three for one, three for one, four for two potential. And then Keating remember at them. They can't make this team better with. They're, they're not in the two thousand nineteen free agent game because they've already spent all their money. So they're in the same situation. Houston is in with Butler. You add, but if you can figure out how to get Butler, it's really your only chance to be in that kind of free agent possible all star game. And I think they're gonna eventually. They're gonna strike for one of these guys. All right. So Charlotte. Charlotte's thirty five and a half minus one twenty five. So there's been some action on it. Plus one thirty to make the playoffs. Fifteen to one. To win the division. They have new coach, James Borrego got rid of Steve Clifford. Starting five Kemba, but team Kidd Gilchrist, the ageless Marvin Williams, the Ardy bowl, bald Cody Zeller coming off the bench, Jeremy lamb, Maliki monk, miles bridges, Frank Kaminsky biz MAC Biondo. I even liked Wayne baked and a little bit, and then the not ageless Tony Parker because I think he's. Oh, sh. Well, I, I can't do it. I like this team. I watched him in a preseason game miles bridges has a little like steel of the out of the top ten of all the guys after the top ten potential. You know, I feel about mach. I just think he had the year from hell. Last year. I am still a believer Kemba in a contract year potential to either flip him or do something. They're big guys are all serviceable. None of them are bad. Like, you know, beyond Biondo has his holes. I completely overpaid, but he's not awful on the right team. We've seen him succeed in certain situations. We've seen Cody Zeller succeed. Kaminski's not a train wreck. I'd like Nick pa- tomb. He's one of those zigzag guys is like one of those quarterbacks. You never know what to expect your year. I liked the fact that they changed their coach. I like the fact that the all star game is coming there in February it. And I like the fact that somebody in the east is gonna come. Out of nowhere. We saw last year with Indiana. It happens every effing year. There's one team like, whoa, whoa, wow, they're twenty two and twelve. That's crazy. I think it's gonna be Charlotte. I'm going over and I'm going lack thirty five and a half. How about that? Joe house? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well about what are you waiting house? Because I like to win. You need me. You being all all they have to do for you to win. Your bet is to do what they did. The previous two seasons, which is win thirty six games, which is why the over here costs one, twenty five. I'm paying it. Here's the thing they have guys. If you go through their whole rotation, they have a guy Kemba is at least somebody who can create his own shop for them and crunch time to have a bunch of guys who know who they are. You know, they even kid go crest who I? I'm still not. I'm not cutting him out yet. I still feel like he's going to have a moment. 'cause he's. Oh, good defensively, and he's good, and he's a good kid. He's not that old. He's still twenty four twenty five. I just I like the talent on this team. It's it's not guide that there's nobody who's overrated. There's nobody who got paid doesn't give shit even Scibelli beyond bows overpaid. Like, hey, think he's a good teammate. I just think he was in a bad situation in Orlando is a weird team, though. Point guard. I like this team. Well, I haven't nugget for you. Yeah, two nuggets the expected win total last season based on their point of rental. They should have won forty two games. Yeah, the one thirty six. But here's the nugget in the last two seasons. They've been in fifteen games decided by three points or fewer. Let me ask you a question yet. Fifteen games decided by three points or fewer. How many of those games do you think the Charlotte Hornets have won over the vaguely remember this stat? It's like two and thirteen. Something like that. Actually one in fourteen very good. Yeah. Yeah. So you made that I talk you into it. I'm not joining you on the lock. I am joining you on the over because as we observe the very beginning, all I have to do is when the exact same number of games as last year and you win and I'm gonna tell you another secret service. I'm betting they're division at fifty one the, I think it's a good bet. I think anyone can win this division. Not Orlando in Atlanta, but the other three fifteen to one fifteen. David off the plus one thirty. I'm not joining you on fifteen to one Justin back to my team lose money. Orlando is thirty. One wins thirty five to one to win the division plus four twenty five to make the playoffs. The good news. There's good news. They actually have they. They made to solid draft picks in a row. That's all. That's funny. I got a question. Do you know how long ago it was listen to this team that they had Aaron Gordon after all a depot, Tobias Harris, and Jerry still out on l. for Peyton. But he was on this team. They couldn't be patient with that team. That team was was that that was who they had two years ago, but we love though the depot and they've ruined him and everything you could possibly do wrong with with him and sucked the life out of him and then traded him for when you're Serge Ibaka morons. I'd like this team. I still think they're going to suck. I agree. I like I like Bomba. I like Jonathan Isaac. I like Aaron Gordon. There's no earthly scenario where you can play those three guys together. They had the worst point guards in basketball to me, it's like inexcusable to have bad point, guards two thousand eighteen. There's a million point guards like Atlanta was you try and trade Dennis Schroder and where the fuck was Orlando and that I so thirty one to me. I think the east again is a little better than people think. And this is almost a lock for me. I need to think about a little more, but definitely definitely definitely under for me, I'm with. I'm joining you on the under. I don't know y- they'll need a shadow lightning to fr from the sky, poor Kevin Clark. They need now feel bad for him. They need some kind of extra terrestrial event to come, visit them and create the opportunity for them to to to change the narrative there, but that they're, they're just. Thirty wind team stare me in the face. I'm I'm joining you on the under. I'm not giving them as a lock. I failed twenty five fifty seven. My next one is a lack. The Atlanta Hawks twenty three and a half wins is the over. It's even so there's been a little action on the under. If you think they can make the playoffs, you can win eighteen hundred on a one under one hundred dollar bet. So I buy rice would be not to do that. Here's the case other than the fact that. They're going to be actively and aggressively in-intentionally intentionally terrible. They don't have a coach who's trying to f- up their draft position like they did last year with coach bud who wanna know part of a tanking situation. Everyone's on the same page. Now in this organization in, here's what they want. They want trae young to play a lot of minutes, and they wanna lose games and they wanna make the ladder again and get a top five pick and hope that Dallas does the same. And now they have trae young and to top seven picks or whatever it is. That's what they want. The agenda is very clear. Twenty three and a half. All they have to do is go twenty three and fifty nine or worse, and I'm in and I also think they can lock down the number one pick or the ping pong balls. We take about twenty and sixty two. I don't think anyone in the west is gonna get to sixty two losses. This is a lack for me. Joe house I'm lacking Elena under. I've been sitting patiently to to to join you here with an unbridled, enthusiasm and exuberance. Interesting bet to me is what's trae Young's rookie of the year. Odds. What would that? Well on the cousins, how pod we'll talk about it. Oh, against all laws. We're going to talk about rookie of the year. Trai. So, yeah, let's let's keep going. We have too many teams. We have to get to the west. It's only been four hours newsflash everybody Atlanta's gonna suck. They're going to be really bad, but the enders so I have from my lacks Atlanta under twenty three and a half in these Milwaukee forty. It wins over in Boston. Fifty, nine wins over you had those three, but you also had one more. What was your fourth one? Toronto. The Knicks are the Knicks the Knicks under twenty nine half and you're hoping for a joking, Noah slash Franken, Italy, elite Italy, Kinko. See like too much to ask for, yeah, you're hoping for a little pick and roll action with them. Quick break to talk about our friends at propercloth, finding address shirt that fits is nearly impossible. Something is always off the collar of the sleeves. Thankfully, ordering a custom fit shirt has never been easier with proper cloth. You can easily create a custom shirt size in seconds by answering ten simple questions on propercloth dot com. Choose from over twenty collar styles, ten cuff styles, five hundred fabric styles from classic to business too casual, completely customize your shirt. Get the style you want. They work with the best fabric producers from around the world. They only buy fabric that meets their high quality expectations. 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Maury, who I think is at the over pretty much every year this decade except for maybe one year every year. Now he's in the classic. Nobody believes in a situation. There's some real Jimmy Butler trade potential. And yet it kind of seems like the right win total for me. Fifty six and a half seems fair, and I don't know what to do. I'm going to follow your lead on this one, Joe house. It's a slight over to me just because you're talking about an eight gray, an eight game decline, which seems like the right number for the direction. They went defensively the the losses of Reza and Ma MU ta I and I just, I don't know enough. I'll have to find Daryl in a quiet moment when I can pick his brain and understand sort of the cap dynamics in the contract stuff, but defensively he was so great on the perimeter last year and they are they. They made the decision that they couldn't afford to keep him. They're the real loss to me for the rockets. And the reason that that fifty seven feels like the right. Number the real losses is how do you say Jeff? Dezelic Dezelic? Sure. The defense coordinator retired. Yeah. And you know that that's that's the the loss of those two human beings plus the guy that they entrusted with, they were pretty damned good defensive efficiency wise last season. Now they, they were really able to compensate for what harden, because harden to fifty fifty guy only only half of the times down the court is he gonna actually play any defense, but they were able to compensate for that. Yeah, the the, the reason to go under fifty six and a half would be a distrust and mistrust of Chris, Paul's health. That would be the reason to go under, but I like them for a slight over. I like them for the over as well. And as you were talking, I remembered how good pawn heart and where together and the regular season when they were just both out there and the infrastructure. You were talking about the Spurs infrastructure and we're about to get to them. I actually think Houston is more of an infrastructure right now just because they have a specific style, they know what they're doing. The really good at it. Harden is though a five guy in his prime. And I would just be surprised if they. I, I don't think they'll win sixty five. I think they're going to drop off, but to me it feels like a drop off to fifty eight and twenty four type range. You know, it's tough. It's tough to lose ten wins in a season. That's just a lot. All right. San Antonio. It was forty five and a half wins just a few short days ago. And then Murray went down and it dropped two and a half wins to forty three, which is. Easily by far? No question about it. The lowest number we've been doing this over under pod for, I don't know, nine years, ten years. We're doing this shit when people were were terrified. Again, bling kudos to us. Forty, three wins see. The NBA. You can go on NBA dot com and play an over under game. Yeah, we speak and relatives an artist shit. Yeah, give us world sees. So what do you have house? You still like the over. Don't you. I so the the, the thing is the over still has them outside of the play offs. And I think as much as it hurts my feelings to say this, I think they're going to miss the playoffs, but they won forty seven games last year with quietly playing nine. And you know how, how, how big a off between Murray, what you lost by by Murray's, the gains he made last season and Derek Whyte who showed a little bit of signs. Couple signs still have all those. Those veterans with pride. This is palca sols- last stand. This is Rudy gays. Last stand. They wanna prove this is Marta rose and is going to try and burn the Western Conference down out of anger for being separated from his best friend and from being separated from the t. dot and be and and really losing all that studio time with Drake and Bella Nelly. Is is you know, interesting right. They're veterans and they have in a culture of winning. I only to take a slight over for them. I don't like their team. I understand. I think you need point guards in today's NBA is one of my expert opinions go out on a limb there. Point guards now are actually even worse than Orlando. There's just a lot of Patty mills, Dirk, wait, it's a lot of Patty mills anyway. I'm sure they're going to get creative, but the Rosen and Aldridge as my two best guys scares me from just a kind of attitude standpoint, those those are two guys who wear their hearts on their sleeves and have kind of emotional ups and downs, and a bunch of different ways. And then you've got Rudy gay and Casale is kinda. He's a little weird. And I, I think the. The vibe on this team's gonna be strange, it's it's, it's the team. They put together. These personalities does not make a lot of sense to me. It's it's like an enigmatic kind of quiet team China rub people. What are they thinking you? Yeah, but but since when has personality on the Spurs mattered, why just think they, you know, Ginobili and Parker, these respected vets who cared themselves a lot of swagger and fire and kind of police the ship. And when Kawais is acting like an ask, who were the two guys who spoke out against him? Jacobin been Parker. Those guys are now gone. I don't know who the leader of this team is. I think it's a lot to ask from Popovich at this point. He seems like he's on, you know, the finish line a little bit here and I gotta be honest. I'd be more surprised if they were better than I thought in one fifty games then where I think this season Mike. Go is they might just be bad. They might like miss the playoffs and get like the seventh pick in the draft. I think that's more realistic than them winning fifty games. So I'm going slate slate slate slate under a really tough conference. So you're saying that's forty. Two wins you'd like there make the playoffs. Five days ago is minus two hundred to make it. It's got a drop now. I think they go forty three and thirty nine forty to forty. I just I like other teams in the division a little bit more. I really do what was what was the line wasn't at forty. Three is forty three. So I I think they push go right under. Okay. Of course you're right under is what you're taking it. I'm gonna just gonna. Take forty four out of respect. That's it. It's a respect. Forty, four. I just I like eight or nine teams more than their team is where I've landed. And I really, I really wonder about the Rosen this year, you know, and he's been really open about not to get too serious for a second, but you know that he's he's battled depression, all this stuff, and I really worry about this trade in and how it might affect him just as somebody that I like him. I don't know. I don't know what to expect from him this year. I think he was really, really, really traumatized by that trade in a way that I can't remember a while. Right. He was really like, can you remember an athlete, getting traded like that? Who took it harder? No, and Akina love Toronto. Toronto left him and I feel like he's devastated. I don't. Now. He's on this Saint ruining Jewish, and I don't know if he's his heart's going to be the right place. There was one athlete who comes to mind who got stabbed right in the back with giant knives in his name is Isaiah Thomas well, but he was hurt. He deserved better. Yeah. I just you deserve better. I'm, I'm watching this San Antonio thing. I the vibe on that team is weird and guys who've either been traded or thought, earning traded or guys, who are you? Sure you like me or people in the end of their careers. It's just weird. Weird Team, New Orleans, forty five and a half. This is another one this kid. This is could wild swings here that I could see them winning fifty games. I could see Davis being traded in February. I can't get past the fact that three of their four best guys are guys that I don't think you can play in crunch time together. Miratec, Anthony Davis, and Jewish Randall. I like all of those guys. I don't see a world in where they're playing in the last five minutes of a game. Like imagine they're playing the Celtics who guards Jason Tatum holidays been great. I am going over. Purely isn't Anthony Davis pick. That's it. That's interesting. I think he's so good. That would say there are five hundred team. I think he's worth five more winds just because he's that good, and that gets them the forty seven and thirty. Five holiday has been great. I think they're going to really miss Rhonda. There's no question, but I just can't see Davis being on a shit team is too good. He's too talented. So the the over under to win the over your, they have to win forty six games. They won forty eight last season. I personally think the downgrade from Rondo Amboseli. 'cause re recall boogie set the league on fire through the first two months. Last season. He was a legit. MVP candidate is not a preposterous to talk about what he was doing night in night out and he really instilled in them. You know that there was a very interesting experiment of Davis boogie together and he came out so hot. So. Oh, on fire that I really it. You know, it was a the boogie reclamation project was fully underway and we were all on board for it. And then he, he tore his damn achilles. I'm gonna take the under because that's just three games for, you know, less than what they won last year. I'm with you on Anthony Davis, and he did just have, I think back to back seasons where he played seventy games or more tired of hearing the fragile thing. He got rid of that last year. You know, here's another way to look at it. Our eight playoff teams last year were Houston goes day Portland, Oklahoma, Utah, New Orleans, San Antonio, Minnesota. I think Denver is gonna make the playoffs. And I think the Lakers are gonna make the playoffs this year. So we have to create two spots. And the question is which teams do you feel the best about falling out of the top eight. And for me, it saying Tonio, Minnesota. So and I, I have them way ahead of picking against Anthony Davis, and I have them had Portland who people are weirdly down on this year. So if New Orleans is going to make the playoffs. That in my mind, that means, you know, forty, six, forty, seven forty, eight wins somewhere in there. So I feel good about that. So we're splitting it can still make the playoffs of forty five wins in the west, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Well, it's good that we disagree sometimes on these last year we disagreed. I think you did better than I did on the disagreements. I don't remember that. I, I did. We get the stats ever somebody. Some weird reader sent me the stats. You did slightly better the Matt even really wanna talk about it because you did better than me and hurt my feelings. Dallas kicked my ass the two previous years. So, yeah, thank you reader who had whoever sent that in Dallas, thirty five wins. Really wanna go over on this. I like the guys on this team. You know, I love Donncha ch- Dennis Smith year two will be interesting. I'm still not one hundred percent sold on him, but it'll be fun. I liked the fact that they're gonna play him off the ball and play multiple point guards and do others. Third slashed year, the Android Jordan's in there. There were signs of deterioration with him last year. I'm not one hundred percent sold on that. Most importantly, heraldic Bob's there and this is it. And I am going over our friend who Alibaba parabas vulgarities, longtime gambler. He's been on this podcast multiple times, got a job running analytics for the Mavericks. I think that's where seven wins. I'm don't over for TAOs thirty five and I'm making it a luck. I got you, Bob, Utah to waste Bob lock. You beat me to the punch. You stole the enthusiasm. I love it so much. I'm right there with you the h. Bob lock is in effect. I think it it. It's slightly under. Dell's what the what that dude brings to the table. Hong him a gambler. It's true that he's a gambler thank God. It's true that he made millions of dollars gambling on basketball. But what he really is is a savant, an analytics of mine. He had basketball advanced analytics that he was running off his own platform, ten years ago, fifteen years ago as a simple way to try and create an advantage for himself. This man, I never ever ever betting against that dude. This is an overage Bob lock. I also think Dallas is interesting thirty. One wins last asking him to win five more games. And I think Donncha which is going to be super fun to watch this over and it's an h. Bob block that Donncha and they had a Andre, their centers were mess. Last year. What I love about Donncha, which I love a lot of things about it, but he's going to be able to play a whole bunch of different positions for them. It doesn't necessarily need the bodice succeed and Rick Carlisle latte to love. I think. Make playoffs for them as plus six hundred starring that out there. Where it might might be worth a flier h h flyer pushed six hundred. Congratulations row, Bob, we're going to miss you on the pod. I'm gonna miss texting. You about gambling and NBA staff. You're not allowed to text about anything. I sent him one text that was on the line. It's like, I can't talk about this stuff anymore. It's like being friends with somebody who's in the mafia who's now just running an ice cream shop. I we respected. We're rooting for you. Good luck. Unbelievable Memphis. Thirty. Four wins. I'm going under the over is minus one thirty. So there's actually been some action. I get it. Jaren Jackson is going to be really good. No question Kosong Conley. Maybe they're healthy Chanelet Parsons rumors. He might be healthy again. It. I see it. I just I. I think it goes the other way. I think this is if Kosovska con they're healthy trade him. Get their asses out of their way. What did you do in Memphis? You're not. You're not winning. You're not winning anything. This should be. If those guys aren't healthy, they're gonna suck. And if they are healthy trade, their asses and gets a picks, this is another team with a beloved. You know, friend of the pod John Hollander we love Hollinger. I do. I like him. Now he's a nice guy. I think he's battery though. You would think that he would of all people just based on the all of the the, the persuasive writing he'd done before. Taking this job for Memphis, be prepared to pull the plug on veterans when you can get you. So it must be the case that they just have not had trade offers that have knocked your socks, all those guys. They make crazy money that goes back to my Miami thing like this is how Miami makes the next step as they roll the dice with one of these with a Kosov I'm Lee is is a point guard that should be available to every team in the league. Unfortunately makes thirty million a year I'm going going under because I think the conference is too tough, and there's going to be three shady teams in this conference. It's the law of averages. It happens every year. And even if she means you went twenty nine and fifty three or thirty fifty, whatever we still need a bottom. Who are the teams on the bottom in this division, right? We. It's the candidates are Dallas Memphis, Portland, Minnesota, the clippers Phoenix, Sacramento. Now you could say, Phoenix and Sacramento. I actually like Phoenix's roster more than Minnesota more than a Memphis roster. There's going to be three bad teams. I think Memphis is one of the three bad ones. I'm not going over. All right. Great. Let's disagree. Yeah, we just just suck up Chris Vernon some more. Northern. North west. Utah. Forty, nine and a half. I'm getting my red pen you I'm this is this is one of my favorite bets that are available now take the lead. We've Utah four nine half minus one thirty. Five to bet the over. Yeah, latte of buzz over. Yeah. Is to thirty five and I would bet the over. There's no price on that willing to pay for the over forty nine and a half for Utah. I ate there so good. I think they're the third best team in the western in the higher Western Conference the at forty eight wins last year. The point they had the point differential though of a fifty three win team. And I think the sky is the limit. This is the season Donovan Mitchell starts to get mentioned. He's going to be a top five MVP candidate this season because Utah's gonna zip your it and three or fifty four fifty five games if they get go bear healthy for an entire season, and Ricky is out there deal in the way that he's been dealing. I- this team is so good. They're so good defensively, you, I, I watched them alive. I went and saw the almost bullets play Utah. They just could not figure out how to get open shots against Utah. If they're very well coached, they're very disciplined, tons of talent. And this is a Joe house l. o. c. k. lack great case. I'm going slight slight slight over not a lack, and I do think there's red flag signs. Like what. And they Mitchell wants to be a superstar. I don't necessarily know if that's the best thing for him. Now, if you think Mitchell is year to Dwayne, Wade, that's great for them. If the concern is he becomes the, I got this guy, don't you guys realize who I am Donovan Mitchell that were as a little go bears, health worries. Me a little Rubio always finds a way to get injured. They didn't really add anybody. The west got better from top heavy standpoint, and I assume always a little dubious of the teams every year. There's one team that really played while the last like eight, nine weeks of the season and put up some crazy record and where the, whoa, what about that team? And then I just think that every year there's a team that does that and I don't necessarily know if it translates to them being contender the next year member. Miami did it two years ago. Sometimes teams just peak at at the right time and take advantage of injuries to other teams at the schedule, people being tired, whatever it kicked Oklahoma cities. And I get it. I get it. I see. I see all of it. I'm just pointing out little tiny, red flags. That's why I'm not doing a lack, but I'm with you. I'm going over. Okay. You're on the over. I'm that's a lock over for me. Speaking of lax. My bookie is a place that takes wagers from people and you can, oh, potentially bet on on things. If you're interested feel like kinda things kinda guy likes to bed a little win latte. 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Over under forty eight and a half make the playoffs minus one thousand division plus one eighty five. Utah's post one seventy five to win this division. Roberston Roberson Bergerson Roberson is out for the year or at least out for a couple more months, but it does not look. It. They added Dennis Schroder. They are Paul George back, there are friends, Stephen Adams who saw always hungry, only person's hungrier than Joe has. There's pieces here. They got rid of Carmelo that might help. And yet forty eight and a half just seems like the perfect over under for them. I don't know what to do. Talk me into one way or the other. I'm taking the under. I think that this leg issue with Russell Westbrook that surfaced recently, that's gonna have him missing some games at the beginning of the season is gonna turn into something more of a lingering deal this. I- this looks to me like it's going to be Paul George team take to to carry them wherever they're going to go this season. I don't like that. I don't like Paul, George Dennis Schreuder team. You know what that is. That's a team in the east that wins like, you know, that's like a Charlotte kind of team that's like thirty eight thirty nine when team that's you know, fighting for the the last playoff spot. I am disappointed that Robertson's hurt and I'm disappointed what about Ryerson. He started to rub Robertson's heard as well as well. That does Everson center hurt Roberson Roberson and Westbrook because you know, I wanna see this vision that Oklahoma City purports to have. I'll never get over. You know there. I have said it many times. I understand them pushing west Russell Westbrook to win the MVP two years ago yet. And they went all in as a franchise tip to produce that result. And then the MVP of the league for team that didn't win fifty games. So an aberration over the last thirty years went and one one playoff game, and they to their great credit imagined. A team pulled together a team with free agents that they had no business dragging in there. The Paul, George acquisition was absolutely terrific, and it was definitely worth it for them to try with mellow and that should have been something that we're cost than it did. We lost money on that. We lost money on the MVP thing. All we lost money on their. Yeah, we lost over well. Then Carmelo is is bad. So you I'm with you on the leg thing. It's weird that he gets this procedure done every year now it seems like, and does it seem like a like a? It's like, I'll he'll be fine. All right. At some point he plays so hard and he's putting a lot of miles on himself year after year that I do worry long-term. What's that gonna look like? It's almost like a running back. You know, we look up and one year Jamaal Charles is getting signed by Jacksonville to the practice credit like Jamaal, Charles. I was awesome for years ago. I gotta tell you speaking MVP south. You know, the ringer MVP is who's that. You don't know who the MVP the rigorous. I mean, there's candidates who is it? It's Kelly. She's brought me Crema, cauliflower soup. She really is the ringer MVP you. I'm having Crema. Collie flower soup. Is that talk to you? I know you're hungry. So I just wanted to plant that in your brain because I want to beat you in the over unders. I want your brain not to work as well. I have a anything. Yeah. Well, that's your fault, your dumbest. I have a Oklahoma City. I have the under. I do not think it's a lack. It feels right around the right thing. They're the division is it's the vision is Utah, Oklahoma City, Denver Portland, Minnesota. Then they also have the, they have to deal with the teams and the other divisions. And I just think it's gonna be really hard to get fifty leads. You really have to have a good team this year to be in the fifties. So slight under for me. I'm intrigued by the Schroeder thing though. I, I'm a fan of his. I think he's good at these guy, low moxie and they're always talking about it is difficult to coach. I seems like a pain in the ass. Well, he's on a shady team he wanted. I don't know. I wanna see him on this team. I guess I'm interested in seeing him on this team. He's pretty underwhelming and Atlanta. I mean, I saw him because Washington saw it land in the first round the playoffs. Yeah. And he, he was not up to the up to the moment just think he could be the Reggie Jackson type for them who in a playoffs because he could win one game. Okay. He had hot for one o'clock. I. Are you down with my conspiracy theory that Adam silver told the Lakers to stay away from Paul George. See Bill feels really strongly about this. Why he went on Jalen and Jacoby show last week and talked about this. And what did he tell you? What did he say? He said Adam silver called the Lakers and call Paul. George said Paul, George won't be signing with the Lakers. You're not allowed to approach him for Dale. And if you do, there's going to be some major tampering stuff, and you'll all be the old David Stern to David Stern, David Stern them, and in late June, Paul jerseys, like I'm gonna go re-signed with. Okay. Say it looks great a stay here. That's the conspiracy Bill. Thanks. I don't think that conspiracy build this Denver, forty, seven and a half. This is a team. Danny Chow. The always hungry Dany Chow is a fan of. Plus four hundred win the division forty seven after the over under Paul Millsap back Jamal Murray year-older the basically kept their team together, which was which was a good thing. People like this team a little bit another year. The joker. I'm going, I'm going slide over. I don't see how they're not to wins better. They went forty seven last year. I think they won forty six last year. In fact, I know they won forty six hundred. You say, because on the very last game of the season I had with the cousin, Sal. As I we together made appearance on against all odds and gave out an eight team, make the playoffs parlay. And you know who after four me, Denver the Denver Nuggets losing that game to Minnesota. The last game of the season. They lose games too bad teams, ten losses last year, two teams that finish under five hundred, but Millsap miss forty four games last year mills that like if you go and look at Millsaps stats. He had the worst years at ten years. You only played thirty games even when he played. He was fifteen in six forty, six percent shooting. You know, he was just heard all year and I don't think he's, I think he's going to be good this year. So they went from. You Paul Millsap on your team, but you really don't. You have like the shell of Paul Millsap to they're adding Paul Millsap. He's gonna be good this year, and now you're adding Jamal Murray who I think we both think has a chance to be not special all the time, but have special moments like what he had last year on TNT that game. He got hot on Thursday night. I, he is a guy who has a little bit of special in him and the jokers. Great. I like this team. I like this team more than okay, sees team. Oh me too. I think they're gonna win more games than than. Okay. See the two things that I'm intrigued by. I think that they improved getting rid of moody as the backup point guard huge addition by subtraction yet and replace them with the little guy. So I'm praying that the little guys healthy. That's the other thing we get through for the little guy. The little guy comes on and and and you know, his hips are in in good health and he's he's kind of an instant offense mode that makes that second unit. So formidable, and I'll tell you, you know who I'm really intrigued by for this team, Michael. Porter Jr. I think that there's a real for him to to to step in and be an eye opener. Now he's not going to get, you know, tons of time. So he's not a rookie of the year candidate, but there's a redemption story there with him, and it's a good situation for him to to like comfortably, be kind of groomed and come on and show us something. I, I like Denver, I think they're deep. I think they're smart. I think that there they could easily win fifty two games. Michael porter Jr. also gives somebody to read to rehab with as Thomas. To them and go together unfair when they're when there's getting like two hours of injury stuff. You're right. That was me. I apologize. I love as Thomas. I, it does worry me that those. Well, at least with Zia, the upside of that for what they paid is the all time, no brainer. They get anything out of him. That's great. If if they get like kind of six men level Isaiah coming off the bench and changing game step becomes one of the most interesting teams we have. So I like the I agree. Plus they still have that advantage of marijuana being legal Colorado, and these guys posing team guys go in and they just go to the head shops and they've fucked get stoned out of their minds. That's an advantage. Yeah, not that they're not getting stoned out of their minds anyway. St. zero, Denver, speaking of getting stoned out of your minds, the Portland trailblazers there over under when they won forty, nine games last year, brought back the exact same team in their over under drop seven wins. I cannot remember a team being more damaged by a playoff ask kicking just in the perception of what they are and what's going to happen. This trailblazers thing it's like they've, they've fucking suck. Now it's over and meanwhile, they won forty nine games and they just lost in the playoffs. What's changed? Joe house, nothing. I don't understand it. I. Get the impression that Vegas is projecting some kind of undercurrent of instability Vegas must believe that the narrative that that immediately followed the s whipping that the pelicans put on this team that is the CJ and in Dame can't play together that there is something to that. And in fact, one of those two dudes is going to go over the course of the season. I don't think so. I don't know why they would do. It doesn't seem like they can get proper value out of it. I'm going over. I just like taking the over for the good people of Portland, and you know, it's there are. There are the only show in town other than the soccer team, which is really good, isn't the soccer team in Portland really good. Yeah, sure. I'm going to slide over over forty two. Forty three is all on mass to to to to come up with. It's almost like Vegas made the over under low because they know that in February the contagious caldwell-pope and Lonzo ball for Damian Lillard trade is coming. It's almost like they're doing that. That's right. It's almost like that's on their radar ready. This fake trade that is seemingly made up. That has not been discussed at all. Oh, yeah. That. Saying, okay, so what's that mean? What are you doing? Not doing anything pointing out. It's it's yet to make a pick. It's almost like they know he's going to the Lakers a couple of months. It's almost like. This is such good stuff that's almost like that. It would be like if he went on this ahead of time, I'm just saying if Damian Lillard is going to be a Laker in February, you'd probably make Portland's over under total. Forty. Two would be my dammit would be why would you let me ran rave like that. And then with this obvious insider knowledge, I don't have insider knowledge. I love talking to him pathetic all the time talking to hamper that goes in fact watch this. Yeah, I have my highlighter pen. I'm highlighting Portland because now I'm going to bet the under. They get a highlight for the ones. I'm going to bet money on hypothetical ING. I am a, I'm going, I'm going under as well. I thought they overachieved last year. I think there's a chance for major trade that will probably not reflect great on their roster, and I think the west is better and we need to teams to get bounced out of the playoffs. At least they could say three if the clippers can kind of sneak in there. But I don't think the clippers can stay on taking there, but we'll have our our time. I'm going to go into next one under or over on the under Minnesota. Forty one wins. This seems crazy to me. I actually like all right. Let's say they get sixty cents on the Dr from Minnesota. Last time I checked towns is still on this team. He's really good. They've get wears. We love to see from towns. What impact what was the Jimmy Butler effect? And and I texted, I watched a late season, Minnesota Washington game last year, and I was stunned by how impact less. There are a lot of guys that are impact full car. Karl Anthony towns was impact less, and he ended up with a double double like nine, twenty four, twelve or thirteen or something like that. He couldn't have had less to do with the outcome of the basketball game. He was just running up and down the floor yet, and I just was so befuddled by it, but you do well, you know, there's this great legacy of NBA stars going back to the sixties with like Walt Bellamy where they get their stats. But if you actually watch the entire game or you were there, you're like, how? How does that kind have twenty four points? I was here the whole time which is happened town. Towns is the captain of that team. I still think he has. I'm not. I don't think he's like this generation's Elvin Hayes or Spencer Haywood or Sidney wicks or some of these other guy. I think he's better than that, but it is weird to see him in person how he forget. He's on the court for like five minutes. Then you have that feeling like you're, you're, you're, I'm like, oh, towns is out there is he was he out there the whole time I didn't realize. And I think that's part of why Jimmy Butler is so crazy. He should have numbers like Anthony Davis. He should have forty twenty games. You know what I mean? He shouldn't have done it three forty, twenty games, CNN thingy. That's how much talent he has. I have the over for a bunch of reasons. I think Butler is staying there for at least next couple of months because they can't trade that dude. Tibbs is in a I'm getting fired anyway. There's no way he tanks. They're gonna be balls to the wall the whole time they do have some talent. If this doesn't light a fire under Wiggins, I don't know what would other than actually lighting him lighting, a fire on his ass would be the only other move other than Jimmy Butler. Just calling them out and making him just see. Mike, like he doesn't give a shit jail. I saw Jalen on countdown. He was saying there's got to be a fight the next practice. Got that level. Like people are just questioning your manhood and what you care about in life. Today's practice, which I love. Their forty one wins there is still has a chance. Like what? Let's say they get air Gordon naiad Erik Gordon that team with Butler and Wiggins and Jeff Teague and some their bench is, I don't know. I, I like their team more than Portland. And how do they get Erik Gordon? What are you talking about? I'm saying if they traded Butler Houston, oh, you said used, you said Butler that you repeated Butler being on that rile. I screwed out. I meant towns Wiggins. Erik Gordon, you know, they got Taj the benches. The benches pretty rough actually. Now that I'm looking at, it isn't Jeff Teague still the starting point guard for that team. God, I might have to redo this. Derrick rose liking joining you on the over. I think the scenario you outlined at the beginning is right, which is they're going to be stubborn as f- and you know, there's no, I, I don't think it makes sense for Butler did not go out and play. I think he should go out and play and they keep Butler and they actually do well, and it becomes this kind of weird marriage. We've seen this before like, yeah, San Antonio traded Sean, Elliott for Robert Horry and the deal got voided and they kept Sean Elliott, and that's about as bad of a situations. You can have a team and then went inside overshot Elliott. Like we've seen really weird roster situations kinda play itself out naturally, and I think it could happen here. I like the over. I don't see them having a losing record. All right. The Pacific Golden State sixty three wins. I, I don't want to litigate this for an hour. And where do you must at the two hour Mark. I don't know why didn't they win sixty three games last year with fucks the difference. Now it's another year of them talking about what a grinded is and how tired they are. And yeah, how about this? Not with not counting Cleveland. Dave played thirty more games and eight thousand more minutes at any other team in the NBA over the last three years. So right. That's it. Let's not relitigate it. Let's let's not litigated at all. I'm taking the under. It's really hard to win sixty four and above doesn't happen often. They have old guys in this team who now no Livingston Igwe Dala. You know, guys that are key guys, if you really trying to win sixty four games who they just want to be healthy and April may and June, they're not gonna play those guys that much. They're gonna throw all these random dudes. The one guy I said this end-july nobody believe me. They stole Jerebko from Utah. I don't know why you tied and keep Jerebko Gerashchenko communis he's going to be good for them. Yoenis is gonna ask the keys a perfect warrior. The owners can be good for them. There may not have exchanged texts with somebody who coaches the warriors who was raving about Yoenis we, you know, he, he fills the whole that David west left behind, and you know, great job by David west, get in his ring way to go d west that was money. I'm, I'm happy, did it. He contributed to that team. Jerebko is is perfect to slide into that role. By the way, there's this new trend that I keep hearing with them basketball insiders, where they, they credit the team that they, they're passing on information, but it's always super positive. So it'd be like, you know, talked to guy at the worse. He, he thinks Quinn cook, make the NBA team. It's all it's all this like infomercial information. If you like, if somebody who's I'm not saying there that was a joke obviously, but it's stuff like that. Like talk to guide Sixers, like they think Marco folks could be all defense. And it's like, yeah, of course they're telling you that they worked for the team. What are they going to be like? Markup faults is a fucking cloud show. It's never happening. Like of course, they're going to build these guys up. I, it's my new favorite Trent from an information standpoint with talk to tuck the guy at the ringer. He said nephew Kyle's, really doing great. Wait a minute. Car really is doing great. I know. But I'm saying, like, if you know you're nobody, you're not gonna hear like tuck together at the raiders nephew. 'cause fucking train wreck. Every time we call Joe Hasyim asks for the number he has. No, I d true though. That's the madman. Because mad shutting down there because three phone numbers to remember for some reason, won't write them on a piece of paper. I have Jacko's in both houses number, and then if you Kyle is doing great just for the record, but house, but a toxic I Golden State. You said he said, they love Drapka. They think he's great. All right. That's enough -nough. All right. We're making under Lakers under Lakers. You're hungry. You're hungry. Lakers forty, eight and a half or making this a lack. Here's my case LeBron James is on this team. I like the young guys. This team has a higher percentage of guys that I like than almost any other team with the exception of caldwell-pope trade his ass. As soon as you can. I like LeBron on a young team, we talked about this on the MVP podcasts with kerosene russillo. I just think there's gonna be a lot of energy at those Laker games. I think it'd be very tough to beat. I think LeBron is heard, although, oh, maybe he's storing away this year. All that crap. I like him in Lonzo. I think Ingram's really good. I like Josh art Rondo as you pointed out earlier was essential for New Orleans last year and could be essential for this team. I liked the roster. I wish they had signed brook Lopez instead of jail is the one is the major glaring move. The other ones are expiring, whatever, like those guys are going to be packaged into a trade. But I, you Oper sitting down house. I think this is the three seed. I have them as three seat. Yeah, I think that's crazy talk. I think they are fifty five and twenty seven fifty six. I'm not saying I swear to God. I swear my kids. I'm not saying this as a reverse jinx on the Lakers. I really January it. I just want to get that out because people on as a deck, eight, you so much. Now they love that what you're up to now I'm not interest. I swear my kids. I swear nephew on my kids. This is not a raging. I think the Lakers are gonna win the three seed. I think they're going to win fifty five or fifty six games and I think they are going to be one of the stories of the I. I don't know two months of the season as like, wow, the Lakers are good. I who saw this coming. I fucking see it coming. The Lakers are gonna be good period. Well, I will say this. I'm joining you in the lock because I to think the Lakers are going to be good. This track record of LeBron James winning at least fifty games every. Season that he plays. You know, I think that's a pretty good track record. He's one at least fifty games every season since two thousand seven, two thousand eight. I list look at the calendar. That's ten years ago. Not counting the stupid vox year. I am so dumb that I watched the entirety of last night's preseason game. I watched like two thirds of it. I really enjoyed it. I drew conclusions that are completely ridiculous. Yeah, I love the Lakers team. I think they're good. I think Ingram by the way, what's the dude's name? Who's doing the video work for you? It's a new innovation of we have a lot of NBA content from the ringer. It's effing delicious. The leap who's doing bunch of our people. We have great people. I don't wanna give credit because then somebody else will be. There's like one guy who had this thing from dime drop. Whoa. Who's that guy? Well, the guy, the guy running that as Kyle, man, but our whole team makes it with them. But yeah, kind of course. Get stuff? Well, I like Ingram. Piece. I really like Lonzo and I keep saying this, I'll buy all your Lonzo stock if you're Lonzo stocks for sale Senate my whale by it. I think him in him in LeBron it'd be good together. I liked the Laker team. We're aligned. But you don't. Yeah, I have Utah's a three CG. Absolutely right about that. Sounds like a side bet. Would you wanna bet. Ooh, this is good. Yeah. With Simon the shit out of the VAR choice, MAB your viewers as your Domo meal. Yeah, that's right. Well, that already happened, but your second major Domo meal. I will. I'll find another restaurant in LA. I mean, we're, I'm going to tell you about last week that tell you about last week. Know what happened last week. Oh, you were in New York? Yeah. We went to major Domo Sam, the original major Domo restaurant, New York in Chiang. They had this giant duck. And we took it down. Like like, like when five people are tackling gronkowski and he won't go down and it's just finally, the pile gets them. That was we were the pile and the duck was gronkowski and he did go down. It was great. You were. I've had the duck at sandbar was obser-, but it was many years ago. I was not chef. David Tang was there an I know Chang has terrific support. So I think we had great duck and it's time we had it together, but it was so imagine I can only imagine last week's duck three teams left LA clippers thirty seven f wins. I'm going over why? I think they owe you going under. I Schwimmer wire. Why you ask for the teams that for the third team in the west, that's going to be terrible. It needs to be the LA clippers there. It just doesn't make one lick of sense. The only thing that that has them doing anything at all is the fact that Doc Rivers is still the coach. Doc is not a tank kind of kind of coach. They have neither the talent nor the incentive to be good. They should stink. They, this is the time to buy them out Steve bombers, a businessman as a businessman needs to look in the mirror, understand what he has in front of him and get rid of assets and prepare for the reinvention of the business. Let's Steve bombers the same guy who by just making a shitload of mistakes created apple basically for apple. Microsoft still doing pretty good. I know what you did there. I'm going over. I don't think they're capable of tanking between bomber doc. I don't think either the of any interest in it and actually like some of the players in their team. And I think I could see that like one thirty, nine forty one. I liked to buy his Harris. I liked. Really is likable. Beverly is likable on a different team to buy. I like the different team. I like what I've read in the shade Gioja sow Zander. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Kentucky kid I think is the other thing. Here's the other reason I like the over. I think they have a chance. If they want to. By the way they hopefully gallon ARIS healthy, the share. And if he's south, I like him. I like t- Tedo dosage. They got my Bob Mugabe for little defense, the guy Avery Bradley, this team can actually DEA. They can put out Beverly Avery Bradley, mob Mugabe, Tobias, Harris, and Harrow heralds. My favorite guy in this team. I like the gum going over on the clippers you win over and they make a trade. All right. Well, you're going to be wrong. Well, that's it. That would be the thing that would screw me on the under. That's that's perfectly fine. Complementary set of players surrounding super-duper star who wants to come to LA, but they played defense though. Sure. Yeah. Like I say complementary. So to rank goes to the clippers next year, do you think more or less of him. Did that. I think that that's perfect. That would be a very Steve bomber kind of play. That would be a smart businessman preparing his team to to to, you know, in seizing it season the Ning it, yeah, seasoning it anyway. I know Phoenix after wonderful superstar like David Chang, preparing a wonderful array of lettuce wraps and other kinds of Kuchar to go with a beautiful lacquered duck that you dropped down for you mother efforts last week when I couldn't come to dinner, I loved it. Phoenix twenty nine and a half the case against them. They have no point guard and they just fired their GM nine days before the season which was actually kinda hilarious like is so weird. Had the guy, the draft for age, say then fire them, like what kind of jackass is in charge of anything that would do that the the case for them is eight and has really impress people in the preseason. I still feel I dont should should have gone number one, but I saw the case for Eytan eight and. Like a man's ban out there. And he's the oldest looking twenty one year old. We've had in a while in the NBA Josh Jackson possible step up Devon Booker little scoring. Trevor Aretha not a great year last year, but some veteran leadership like there are pieces and there is a crunch time that I enjoy what this team and I, I don't think they're going to tank. I think I think part of this is. They actually might be fun and a little bit frisky. Their fans have been waiting to watch a good team for a while. And there's upside with Aiden, you know, like there's a chance. So I like everything except for the fact that their point guard is named Elliott Okubo Akobo. I don't know who that is house. I watch basketball. I'm Elliot. Kobo. Sure. He's from France. He's twenty years old. He was there thirty first pick in the second round and on the ESPN depth chart. He's there number one point guard right now, which I'm sure isn't you. Here's my question. Just play Devon, Booker point guard. What's the big deal? Just use them like curry heaven, bring the ball up and then run out some screens. It's not rocket science. Let me ask you this winds Devon Booker going to be back playing basketball. That I don't know. Why was he out on a scooter? I know whatever fake ass thing they came with that wasn't to explain. I don't like that. He just got all his money. They destroyed said they entrusted the franchise to him. I said, okay, young fellow, yeah. Got it. You did your thing you you've put us on the map earlier than we had -ticipant. It'd be another map yet. These these enormous scoring outburst. We respect that. Thank you for doing it. Here's your your reward and what he did was go out and be irresponsible behind their backs and cheat on them. I'm taking the under. I don't like franchises photo play in season opener. Harmful hopeful to play in the season opener? Yeah. Well, I hope I hope that works out for him. I want to know what the injury was. I wanna see his hand. I wanted to see whether or not he's wearing a brace on his hand. I'm taking the under because it also makes sense for them. They still need one more piece to me. Yeah, I'm going to by the way preview. Well, I'll save it for a, oh, I have a porta view on eight. And when it comes to rookie of the year, you know you, you swayed me the other way. You're right. If Booker was guns blazing one hundred percent healthy coming in the season because they'd have to start out pretty well for them not to realize it's a good idea to tank. If he's not healthy and they start out to eight to ten. You know, at some point, the path will become pretty clear, so I'll join you. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go under for them. And I'm also gonna go under for Sacramento or next team. Twenty. Six. It's easy. Yeah. Under also that's easy. There's nothing to talk about your Sacramento. Yeah. Sorry. You're, you're, you're, you're Sacramento. Now, here's the catch for them. They don't have their pick. Do not have who has it. Philly gets it if it's top one, the Boston Celtics get it if it's two or later. So there's that it's a shame they need to go into the market and get another pick, but they the only trade assets or Marvin Bagley dare and FOX, and they need both those guys, right? And I think they're actually, so there's we've seen this scenario Brooklyn where they play so hard. They actually get the over even though you don't know what the after doing and they're in April. They win like six of seven, and they feel good about themselves. I'm still going under just because it's Sacramento, but they won twenty seven last year and and they had the point differential of twenty win team and they're over under twenty six. So in the Lakers spot on twenty six or twenty five, we're both taking the under. We have an agreement at the end of this assessment. So we're going over for h. Bob in Dallas, thirty, five wins. We're going over Lakers forty and a half wins. Does it. The only lacks we like in the west. And I think that's fair. I think it's fair to play it safe because the west had so much flex. I think it would be stupid to get brazen. You're not about being Brayson. We're about winning money, but. Oh, yeah. And you like the Utah lack. So you had seven lock side? Five. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not forcing to more lax if you want to have seven. So be it. I know what my five are Joe house. This was a pleasure to was fun. As I look forward to talking to you in two hours on cousin sows NBA future. I'm gonna go eat for two hours before that podcast. I'm eating the entirety of the break between these podcasts. Good. All right. Talk this. All right. Thanks to house. Thanks to ZipRecruiter. Don't forget to go to ZipRecruiter dot com. Slash Bs. Thanks to the ringer podcast network. 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Chuck Klosterman on LeBron, ESPN, Queen, Classic Rock, Area 51, Presidential Candidates, and Book Tours | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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Chuck Klosterman on LeBron, ESPN, Queen, Classic Rock, Area 51, Presidential Candidates, and Book Tours | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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What is it like to do a book tour in two thousand Nineteen these selfie get a picture with a celebrity era while well the pictures are part of it now when it when I was in Austin almost every person you've got a book signed also wanted a picture? I guess it's just just so easy that slows it down a little bit. I guess I don't mind. I don't know what people are doing all these pictures but they can have them the <hes> the events themselves though I I think they're more of the same different it's just <hes> it's just that the economics of selling books has changed so much which that just a weird idea now I mean you know it's like like you're going when I go on tour. It's a strange situation because so I'm selling books obviously extensively. That's the idea but the people who come to a reading well. They're probably the people who would definitely buy a book anyway right you thank you I mean if someone's willing to come to a bookstore and sit there and listen to a guy talk and read or whatever that person was probably going to buy the book anyways so I'm not exactly sure how it makes economic sense to do it. I mean only the tours are smaller. I'm only doing nine cities this year. I the past like killing yourself to live. I think I had a six week tour. I don't think anyone does that anymore right yeah. I think it's funny I I did a book tour and Oh oh five and I did a book tour and Oh nine and you don't read right. That's your thing you do not read. I I didn't really know what I was doing in. I didn't do that many any and we had enough people there that I probably should have read but it was more like I just wanted to meet people and sign books and at that point especially no five live you had no connection to people other than they read my com right. I don't even have a podcast at that point and oh nine ahead twitter for maybe maybe six months at that point I'd probably had I don't know thirty thirty five thousand followers or something <hes> but I wasn't in in somebody's life the way that really anybody can be now like nowadays people are able to be connected. Do you even if it's in that we're digital way where their follow me on twitter or on instagram and their listen this podcast however else I'm kind of in their life more back then in like oh five it was like it's my calm and that's it. If you wanted to even see what I looked like or hear my voice. This was the one chance so I do think that I I'm. I'm not really on twitter for that like I only kind of promote things so I'm more like the band tool if you find if you WANNA stop if you WanNa Tapie P me you gotta go to this thing or do they can hear you in this podcast though they have a feel for what you're late it on different podcasts and things like that so that's different and you know what bill this. Is something something I ever told you this before. Maybe we talked about this but having gone on podcast for all the years I'm sure had helped me so more books. I'm sure it has helped my career you know and yet I do wonder ultimately. Was it a mistake hub theory like I did all that stuff and all the podcasting does in that movie and so now everyone knows how I know right yeah when you read a book and if the idea like I've been if you're lucky you know and people feel like you're writing has voice but they don't know what your voice is. The holiest they create create is the best version of their own voice so the voice they hear in their head is the best version of themselves but like once you know what a person talks looks like that's the voice you hear in frankly. There's a lot of people who hate my voice. I know that's the case sure that has been detrimental to me over retire. It's like can you imagine reading Malcolm Book Now and not hearing bulking levels voice can't be done and and so I do wonder sometimes if I had had never done anything in public book readings if it would be more if if it would have been the benefit of the actual book even though I would our sold way less with or if you just did nothing you were just this enigma that just produced this book Uni bomber style every year. Nobody even knew where you lived or looked like doc. What kind of like William Boom does I mean? He's just he's like the most prolific genius writer out there who's just constantly putting books out. I have no idea what he sounds like. I have a vague idea of what he looked like. If you WANNA have fun go read William Bowman wikipedia entry. That's as good as most books you know. He's he's done exactly that like he doesn't. He doesn't go anywhere and do anything he constantly goes somewhere but it never appears in public <hes> and you know I. I don't know that's a really interesting point about hearing somebody's voice and then not being able to shake that as the voice when you read them you know in whatever 'cause I remember. The first time that happened to me was when the sports writers started going on T._v. You know in in all the sudden Mike Lupu and Bob Ryan and people will McDonough people that I'd grown up reading I I knew a Bob Ryan's voice satellite because he's on local radio in Boston but for the most part didn't really know the voices and then you would hear the voices and you know we'll mcdonagh started going on N._B._C. N._F._L. Show in the late eighties and he just I just had this old school like he's like a character from the Department or the town had one of those voices and then when you read his piece as you would kinda hear that voice so I get it yeah. I'm sure shore. Nobody really likes their own voice that nobody's really happy with anyone else's voice with about five exceptions so I'm sure it does it is probably a a little bit of a detriment. I was thinking more. The photos selfish thing just has to slow the process down because I remember when when I did my last tour <hes> you you know there's sometimes there's a lot of people there and you're just trying to you. Don't want people to wait in line if they have to do whatever and the selfish pictures thing would slow it down on even more because half the time. It's like Oh shoot. Hold on Oh my I didn't realize my flash wasn't on. There's all the in use to that concert situation where somebody's phone as a working <hes> <hes> yeah well that does it slows down a little bit. I guess you know at the same time it's like swirls. Do I have to be I time you're that either and like I said like the thing in Texas in Austin. The one that I did was shade. Okay a lot of people came. I think yeah because Shays really getting people out Okay and the bookstore in Austin they actually set it up. They have a person from the bookstore who stands in front of the table and you hand them your phone and then you walk behind the table and that person so that's ranger so well. Here's the here's the thing though by doing that. Every person does <hes>. They almost think it's part of the process I mean I I every book I signed. I feel like I took a picture with someone. <hes> so you feel like you're like you're like Barack. Obama Woah you Barak Obama at the White House correspondents dinner where you're just people aren't aligned in receiving line and you're taking the same picture with them over and over again the difference being when someone meets the president they probably think I want to get photographic person. I think a lot of people who come to my reading it never fucking occurs to them picture with him. When someone said like still try to make the system more efficient? It actually makes were yeah. That's why like those little post it note sometimes book reading they give everyone a post it note with the idea that they'll put their name on it and then you can sign their name in the book and you'll have have the spelling but then every single person does it instead of just having the book sign they think Oh it's supposed to be personalized to me specifically so they all do it and that actually makes the whole process go much longer but I can't really complain about the trim takes I mean it's amazing to me that people come and listen. Let me just talk for ninety minutes bizarre to me. I've very flattered. It's very weird but they do it so I figure if they do that. Plus they're spending whatever it costs to the Book Twenty Six bucks or whatever I can. I can sit there and put the time. You're there for the night. That's it. They gave they gave you daytime. You're gonNA give them yeah. I totally get it. I I loved I mean it was definitely it's a lot of people and you have to be on site at some of the stops but it I loved the book tour. I remember one of the stops I think New York I had <hes> in. Oh Nine I had to my buddies from college Jacko and House they just came and sat at the table and just made fun of me. Did the whole thing it was just it was it's just good to put faces two coups reading you and and and and stuff like that so <hes> that's one reason I would write another book. The reason I would never read another book is I just don't I just couldn't do it anymore. I don't know if the enjoyment of the book signing worth writing a book for the price frightens me that you have no his desire to write another book. I you know it. It would seem like that so many people would be like. I wish I could do that. I wish I had the ability to do in order to get to a position where if I did it people read it. What is your reason for having no desire to do it? It's not going to literally read about any subject you want. I know you've John it but you know things one. It's not a no desire thing. It's I know what it takes. I honestly it's it's like the same reason trying to Tuck my wife and having a third kid which didn't go well by the way it was a disaster <hes> and she. It was just like I've done this twice. I don't WanNa do it again. I know all the steps and I don't WanNA put my body through it and that the compare writing a book book to passing a child out of your body because that's still the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life but I feel the same like when she said that I kind of felt the same way about a book like I know I could probably do it but I also know like how miserable I would be for those ten to eleven months trying to get it done and being trapped in it and China come up with some angle like like the logical book for me to Ray would be to to do to write about basketball everything that's happened since I wrote the last book because the League has changed so much the last ten years and there are so many fun different ways to go and I just once I once I would start something like that. I that would be all I would be thinking about doing an eye. The what we're doing here I am not able to do that. I can't just shut down and work on that for a year. You know so that's the reason I wouldn't want to be make it be one of the seven things I was doing so yeah. I guess you have you have other kind of you know many more obligation yeah like when I wrote my last book which was way too long long. <hes> I disappeared for ten weeks in the summer. Oh eight the that was gonNA do anything I think I probably even did like three three or four podcasts and that was it but <hes> you know I really respect the people that can go through that grind and no it's going to happen and then do it again. I'm Komo is impressed by because it is I mean I guess this is one of many ways we are different like the part of putting the book out to me that is by by far the hardest part if I could just work on a book for the rest of my life and just be paid for working on it would never come out that that would be awesome like I did just processing it well I. I don't know if I could if I I've said this before but it's true like if if I could have just made the amount of money that I would make for putting books out but all I would you is just keep rewriting and reworking Frederick City. I would be a great life if I could just kinda constantly ready to make it better and the thing that I would just write and write and right right and there would be no there would be would never leak my life. It would just be there but it wouldn't it wouldn't go to any other do I just by that would be great. I had when the last contract I signed with E._S._P._N. which was for I think like four or five years there was a book component into it and you know you know book deal you just turn in the idea and they give you like a third or whatever it is and I just didn't have an idea like then I just just never did it and then the the my contract is over? I just couldn't summon the the though I actually did. You'd have one idea that was not a basketball did that. I still think go to work and was fired up about it. And just you know at that point. GRANTLAND was gone and thirty for thirty and that was on T._v. and I was. I was just doing too many things. There's no way I could have done it and so I kind of look back at that. I'm like Oh man there. Is this one moment when I had this idea that I think would worked so. Can I ask you again E._S._P._N. Relief you you love yeah. You love when this turns on me. This is you're always happens. At the end of the I check you did now. This is purely speculation. Do you think Dan Lebatardshow wants fired because the thing is he would be fine if that that was the case he can't quit bill because for like if they've because of his contract. I'm sure locked the man that he couldn't work anywhere for like two years or whatever do you think actually he. He wants to get tired. I think the current answer is absolutely not I think when he did what he did I still have not talked to him about this so this is all speculation and I think the initial act with somebody that was like I don't care what happens in if if this goes down a certain road owed that's fine but I'm going to do this and I don't like this policy and I'm going to <hes> I'm laying it all out there and I think what happened. Is You know and as as somebody who's been who's been in a pretty similar position definitely different circumstances but you realize that when you go down that that road but you're also so you have all these other people in their lives that are professionally attached to what you're doing and you see how they're reacting to it. You realize there'd be there comes uh-huh this moment. You're like am I am. I really ready to take this the whole way or not and I don't think he was because my thinking was particularly with like with Fox sports one all that stuff now would he could move his whole show it would seem like like and and the audience for his show is big but it's not like going somewhere else would suddenly make him just destroy God thing I think the kind of people who are into that show would follow it so it almost seemed like he had this leverage where he I was hoping he'd be fired but I I don't know I don't know him. I he mailed four times or whatever I don't know him. I I think it would have been serious. S I don't think it would have been Fox you know part of the problem with that is the other people that are in his orbit all like everybody just signed new deals so it's like yeah he could go but they still have everybody else contract. It's not not that different from what happened when you know when I left grantland and and they still had a lot of different people that were under contract so it's not like we all left at the same time so I think I my guess is. He was really fired up about it. He he was at a certain level of conviction for direction that he thought he wanted to go and then when he e._S._P._N. Called his bluff at that point it becomes a game of chicken. Can you have to decide whether you want to collide into the other car or not you know and then he obviously didn't want to so I I <hes> I thought it was pretty fascinating fascinating to watch and I talked about a little on the podcast last week because you know I think if you're e._S._P._N. It's the right move to stay away from all all that stuff. I'm I'm talking to somebody who on Tuesday did a podcast where being Jacko talked about Trumpet the Democrats for Twenty Five minutes like I can do that 'cause I'm. I'm in charge from my own stuff fair but <hes> I think if you're E._S._P._N. All their ratings for all the talking head shows are up in general. They've been neighbit- shed that whole perception that they're too liberal and you know they're they want to appeal to fifty states and they just want to show sport so I think as a business move it does makes sense for them. Where what are they have to gain from Lebanon tired on his sports show on E._S._P._N? Radio just opining about the faults of the president for ten minutes. It doesn't add anything to what their mission is. Well I not even I think so much the addition subtraction. I think that there is like dissidents between a lot of of the personalities there and the people who consume E._S._P._N. Because Okay E._S._P._N. His Pin is this weird institution where it's entertainment and it's journalism at the same time. You know that that's sort of the inherent problem with E._S._P._N. In general is that they are a journalistic outlet and entertainment outlets and I think the people who work there see more as a journalistic enterprise and the people who consume it generally see as an entertainment enterprise so it's like it's not I think people are always kind of like what the politics that they're talking about how they're doing it but to a degree it's like when people went to the weather channel. They WanNa know the weather <hes> like okay. I suppose there our political elements you talk about climate change or whatever you know be on the weather channel but for the most part people are interested in the weather and I think that when People Watch E._S._P._N. Of course there are exceptions but I think for the most part they see it as like this is how I get edged access to sports these other things. I'm accessing and all these other ways I don't you know I think that is the thing like there's just a little confusion about how the network is perceived by people by the people who work there yeah I I. I think the fundamental issue is this when I was there the Times that I got that I really battled them. Were because I had been told the rules were supposed to go a certain way and then I felt like they shifted what they told me you know and I think even even criticizing gallon saying saying he lied about the Ray Rice thing and all that stuff which was a big part of wagon hot water when I was there I felt like I was totally justified to do that because they told me if you stick by the facts and it's a sports related thing and you're able to back up what you're saying then anyone's he wants fair game so I'm like great so you know when I went after goodell those last year is I was like the guy did lie like we he completely contradicted himself of we have all these testimonies of people are in the room at the ray rice saying like he lied he changed. He suspended him for one thing and then he changed his story. I should be allowed to talk about this a- and you know I my my take best spraying and I've told you this before I think it is the confusion over. When you said said I challenge someone to call me on yeah now? You say that you were talking about the N._F._L. But listening to it it almost seemed like you were saying. Hang it to E._S._P._N. And if you run E._S._P._N. There was already the situation where I know a lot of the people in Bristol I did not love the idea of Granton they sort of felt that it was given like a too much leverage in too much freedom and was able to do the things they wanted to do around allowed you know I think if they hear this and they perceive you as challenging the entire organization to sanction. You like like I do too if I was skipper yeah and my I've said this last week my big mistake was not listening to for went up because that was an easy edit and I I feel like I could have kept all that other stuff and if they had you know I know it's been told it was two weeks for the challenge E._S._P._N. And the one week for <hes> I just calling Goodell Aligarh and being so adamant insane fucking when I said he was a fucking liar. I think that was pushed over the edge. I'd always heard was the Combo of that but <hes> <hes> but when I came back you know I didn't back off from it and I remember I had done van that on a podcast where we just painstakingly Hanley went over though the whole goodell stuff 'cause they were like you're GonNa hang this guy hanging with facts we we like seventy minute podcast just like painstakingly doing all the facts to just to be like all right if you can hang them with facts. I'm happy to do that but the key is it was a sports topic and I think it it was irrelevant sports topic because the guys in charge of the most popular sports league and he was acting inappropriately and that's something you should be able to talk about any E._S._P._N. I think the people running E._S._P._N. Out A group dude that I think where it gets where it gets. A little dicey is when somebody's like here my thoughts on the on the current president who I don't like and they don't want that they've made that clear so if somebody's going to say well I'm giving my thoughts anyway. Then don't work there. You know and that's that's why I don't. I don't know how I feel morally about E._S._P._N. Just saying like we're out we're not we're not getting involved in the sports thing at all but I do think it came from a place where once you open the door and allow people to kind of you. Give them the window to be able to say in in do kind of whatever they want about non sports award stuff. There's there's kind of no put in the what is it the rabbit back in the box. What does that phrase all the Horseback Horseback at the barn? Whatever like once it's going to match you? Can't you can't stop it so they're just saying like look where out we don't want this anymore. Don't do this if you WANNA. Do this. Go work somewhere morale's. We're we're happy to let you out of your contract so I think that's where we are and it's a complicated deal because you know <hes> you know on the one hand I guess my my natural inclination is always sort of what people who are paid to be commenters sort of take the conversation wherever they want to go but does sort of create a kind of weird things where okay so all these shows. It's always like one or two people or usually to people sometimes four people or whatever if one one individual is really being political and the other people choose not to it's almost like it is seen as them lately taking the opposite -sition like like there's somehow supporting what the person is criticizing because it almost if if people start getting political in any sense it almost sort of demand that that everyone do it otherwise like okay we the ringer is a good example like you guys don't do a lot of political type coverage but you some to share the same ideology and I know the assumption is that everybody at the ringer thinks the same way politically about about everything but why wouldn't they because the only slices of it they see sort of have one sort of position the assumption is that well everyone else must be there like everyone assumes assumes that every employee at the Wall Street Journal is a Republican. That's just kind of thing because the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal Conservative native I know people who work at the Wall Street Journal that is not the case but that's what the assumption that you wouldn't work there. If you didn't believe that because for a lot of of the audience they think to themselves well. I wouldn't be involved in media unless they sort of project my world are you on to other people and a lot of journalist think that way like particularly the older ones who are sort of told that you were supposed to try to overcome your biases. I is at every turn you know in that different now but it still exists yeah. It's also so much different than it was. You know even five years ago. I think I remember I had in two thousand eight in the spring. I got Obama to come on my podcast. I and I only had a podcast to that point for like a year and <hes> and then it got next by E._S._P._N. which has been written about? This isn't a new story but I was always really confused and angry that 'cause I would have been the biggest podcast of all time until that point. It wasn't like a really big medium and I was pretty certain he was going to win. The presidency and I was like every chance to get this guide six months before it becomes the president like this is amazing and that you know the reason they squashed. It was basically we don't want to be perceived as leaning one way or the other but when you think about it in retrospect what E._S._P._N. Is doing now with all this stuff really is much different than the mindset they had back then you know and and when they had Obama coming on to fill out the march madness bracket every year. Maybe that's not something they would do now. You know it stopped because trump didn't wanna do it but even that could be perceived assumes trump I would I would. I really thought I was like it'd be anti like I'm not doing it but <hes> that wouldn't be very entertaining to see that would have been the best ten minutes TV all year trump filling out march madness bracket would have been incredible can they. Maybe they can can still do that for two thousand twenty so my point is I don't like I look at <hes> a show like Mike and Mike which lasted forever and it was always a show that people you know it did it had its audience. People kind of appreciated it. I there wasn't like a rabid Mike and Mike Fan base but it did what it did and coincidently he talked he gave gave an interview today. We're taping this on a Wednesday where he is basically saying. I'm not doing politics at all and on get up and I'm I'm fine with that and he gave a quote. When I go to McDonalds I go there because I have a hamburger and if I walked McDonald's and they said to me we're not doing hamburgers today? We're doing pizza. I'd say what are you talking about. Your McDonald's would G._D. Louis Hamburgers. If I WANNA pizza I would go to one of the places where they make better pizza than you. It's a depressing quote but it's kind of it's a fair quote too because people the go-to e._S._P._N. For Sports and if they wanted to go if they wanted politics they would go to one of the politics stations so would you think of that quote right yeah. Just the quote the mindset well. I mean I think in a way sort of I guess reflect what I was saying. Thank earlier that I. I don't think that people go to E._S._P._N. For the most part for <hes> the idea that they're getting even though there's a lot the journalism done there. I think that they see that is <hes> if I'm watching E._S._P._N. And a game is not on this is the material that connects to the game like I'm just got. I got I gotta wait through or this or whatever or or I want to see what people are talking about <hes> and sometimes I guess maybe I mean I I don't know if if they're political coverage which gets them more attention or if it does I mean they did they had that poll or whatever where they were like. Eighty four of conservatives and sixty nine nine percent of liberals wish there was like less political content on E._S._P._N. Or don't want politics in there so that would kind of suggest it was most people I mean it <hes>. That's a pretty big thing <hes> hold on. Let's say let's take a break. Hey voodoo is a leading streaming APP elaborate over one hundred fifty thousand TATA's available to rent or buy like the critically acclaimed smash hit avengers and game. Wow voodoo recently launched an ad supported on demand service with over ten thousand dollars. You can watch four free including classic movies and T._V. Shows L. Man we've done. 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You have award season <hes> <hes> biggest movies coming out all this stuff and then you have the dead times you have we had last week where there's just nothing going on and fortunately only for the ringer and for a lot of people may content Tarantino a new movie coming out and it turned into a whole Tarantino we. I'm surprised you have shocked. You haven't seen that while I was away and I was yes in Hawaii and and it was not playing in a movie theater that was within ninety minutes of us so that was a problem <hes> I'm seeing tonight but but <hes> this week is even more dead than last week was because there's no Tarantino movie we basically have Hobson Shaw and then the Major League Baseball Baseball Trade deadline and the training camps starting. I guess maybe you could argue this week slightly better than last week but just slightly hard knocks her too hard knocks as correct yeah next week next week. Things started feeling like normal again but my point is so this Lebron thing happens where he's cheering. Cheering is his son Todd and his A._A._U. Games a little too vociferously for some people's liking and he went in the layup line. Did some dogs and I I feel like if this happens in November. I don't even know if it makes P._T._I. It might make the third segment for thirty seconds when they do one under those buyer seller gimmicks that but because it happens this week it suddenly becomes the Big sports story for today's <hes>. Are we just trained now. Where we ages need content every day? We're like a shark swimming around eating fish and it's like others fishing here. I guess I'll just eat this license plate. You know we're we're just conditioned. Eat every four hours that you just spent three minutes talking about the periods of no content <hes> and then the effect you write a website would be that you have trained yourself that way. Yeah I think you are no. You're describing the shark that you are. I'm talking the whole the whole medium machine because this was like this became the dominant story yesterday on all the E._S._p._N. Shows it was the dominant story on any sports website you you went to it was Lee topics on podcasts. People are going about this. It's little compelling because it is something that people who don't so follow sports have an opinion on. I have found like I it's a situation where it's like. You don't need any knowledge of basketball all to sort of have a response to it. What would your response to talk about it? Let's talk about what was your response well. The reason the real reason is is because it ties into sports parents which is yes U._C. Topic that everybody who is either had kids are bent to their nieces your nephews game or their cousins game. We've witnessed sports parent behavior and we have opinions on it so now you have the most famous active basketball player whose the sun is <hes> a seemingly good prospect and he is acting like you know like he's the guy is big brother and really seems to be getting genuine kick out of everything that's going on to the point that he's becoming as big of a spectacle as the actual game so some people are like what's he doing. That's not how parents should have to act and then other people are like this is Great Lebron's in a dunk line what's wrong with that but certainly Lebron dunking for crowd just randomly because he's happy to be there so it is one of those classic sports stories where you can pick aside which which is I think why it became a two story you have inside. My side is complicated because I think if anybody else acted that way they would be mocked on the Internet for five days but it's Lebron James and the rules are just different firms so you know it's exciting to have the guy there I went to my daughter played a game last year when the game before it was Lebron's younger son was playing so Lebron was there there and when he's in the gym it's like you know it's a thing you can. Everyone's talking about. Everybody's feeling it. It's impossible not to concentrate on the fact that Lebron James as six 6-foot-9 he stands out it. Here's what I would say. I 's okay I it. It might have complicated too. 'cause it's GonNa seem like I'm kind of hedging but this is kind kind of my response. One thing I think is you know it is pretty interesting that who would have been the model or the example of an N._B._A. Dad in the nineties Shawn Kemp near the players were literally the worst dad that they just went from city to city siring children and then having no relationship. I mean even like I mean for me. It's the hardest thing about Larry Bird. I hate the fact that he has no no relationship with his daughter who looks just like him and worship stemming he has no. I mean if he does now for a long time. He didn't yeah okay so in that sense. It's like well a brown. Not I like that right. Lebron seems like a pretty good dad. I also will say that I understand and empathize with the fact that that literally nothing more exciting than watching your kid succeeded something yeah. It is the best feeling I have ever had. I think like my little guy's taekwondo. Oh and twenty does he really couldn't memorizing stuff and I I love. I love watching it. I don't I can't think of many things that make me happier but but here's the thing I would say this is like when that I feel that way when I see him but I don't think you want to ever make the events <hes> kind of about your enjoyment of it or or have the interest in the event sort of swing to you and Lebron is very smart. He knows who he is yeah. He knows it's done this. This is GonNa happen like you know I like I you know and he will just suit arguing series like I'm just excited now. I'm not telling people to fill me. I'm not signing a contract with that but he has to know that like he is. You say say the most famous basketball player I would say the most famous athlete in America <hes> and if he does this you know he if he dunked him the layup line of course you know where everyone has a phone. That's going to become a story now for the other kids playing. I'm sure it's awesome. I bet they're like Lebron James. Is that this game you know. It's it's like you know like I'm playing there and you know several million people might catch a glimpse of me you know getting dunk time by his kid or whatever it be kind complaining but there may be a point later in their life when they're like Kinda odd that that happened that like my experience as a youth basketball player ended up mostly being a platform for somebody WHO's already super famous and super successful and I I don't know I I my thing. Is I just like I always wish athletes. Were more like Robert. Parish wish like I don't like I don't like people displaying a motion comic. It seems performance to me right. I'm really happy that Lebron Rob loves kid and I hope kid as I hope they play together in the N._B._A. I think that would be amazing that something could happen to baseball ever possible possible that it could happen in pro basketball <hes> so I'm not criticizing him. I I you know I just I. I like Lebron but I would. I wouldn't do that. I mean it. I feel different about my life. Be In that position but I don't know it. Just it is a little odd well. I just wanted to know that if view did that it would also get a tiny two views. I do think people would be blown away. Chuck close German dunking in the layup on in Taekwondo and the constructor whatever's going on <hes> I see the thing for me is and I think Lebron is a good kind of a case study for this topic. 'cause I was reading G Tolentino new book which I don't even know if it's out yet <hes> but the I haven't I haven't opened it but they send me a copy. Yeah I going to be good. She's real talent yeah. She's great she <hes> I think I've grantland had been around a little longer. She would have better next higher. We loved Sir but <hes> we this first chapter is about basically how she grew up in the age of the Internet and then how the Internet kind of changed over this decade. I don't WanNa step on it and you know I want people to read the book. 'cause it's get but she has this whole thing. In there about performance give the performance formative personality of somebody versus their actual personality in how the Internet started emerged that you know because by the time we get to two thousand eighteen. I was thinking about last night. I was watching Rafael Devers up my favorite red SOx poor bases-loaded. He's three for four. He's on this three Monteiro. Unlike anything I've I've seen with a young red sox player it really since Fred Lynn and and it says really big moment they're down around there have to be Tampa and the pitcher on on the raises taking forever ever between East pitch is taking forty seconds forty five seconds so it's just a lot of like nothing happening and I was looking in the background behind Denver's and all these people are standing standing watching the bat but they're videotaping it with their iphone. All of them and it's like this this whole whole so basically stands of people that are all standing up taping the at Bat. That's also on television and I just think that's what's happened with everything. We do now. Now where it's they they tape that a bat they put it on Instagram by the way I've done this too. <hes> and it's kind of like you're you're performing your own life your of your urine version of yourself the performance you're putting out there whether it's on instagram or twitter you're have a podcast. You're writing reading. That's your perform live profile basically so when Lebron's doing this sports parent thing he's performing the role of a sports parents it to some degree. I would think I my question is would he do that if he didn't know people. Were going to videotape it. I have no idea well even a more complicated. Question is does Lebron believe you can go public and not videotapes. I'd say it's been does it happen that he is in public and someone is not taking his picture right so when he's doing the Dunk Land Lane thing which by the way I approve again. I'm I'm pro Lebron James James and all dunk lines but he knows how it's GonNa get real high on for a second. I was like eight and a half with basket or something I wonder if not playing in the playoff APP give Lebron just like two extra months of rescued GonNa come back and just rip the league apart but anyways back your point yeah. No you're right he hasn't he played fifty five games since I'd never handed twelve years damn mid June two thousand eighteen all the way through today which is now you know fifteen nine months later. He's only played fifty five games so are now. He's playing point guards on like if he is he despite his age is the number one pick in the fantasy league if he plays point right. Maybe I don't think he'll end up paying point. I think he's too old but <hes> I don't know but back to the basic question that the sports parenting thing what you said before about how the most exciting probably the happiest thing you've seen in your life was when your son was succeeding at something in sports wise and watching compete and just how thrilling that is I think that's why I do think this really is genuine. I think he loves the fact that his sons good basketball asfaw and he gets to be a fan. I think he can't contain himself. I I don't question do the as and there's another clip of him talking to his kid once you've probably seen it's like the kid has Mr Shah lost the game and he's like actually you made these three key plays you hit the one guy on the outlet pass. It got that lay-up shut the kid down the corner and he's like he made that skip out. It's like he I it. It's not as though you know I I have a feeling that their relationship relationship you say like he seems like a big brother. Well I mean what is the director of parenting. Every generation of parents is closer to their child emotionally and also like interest wise and all of those things and the previous generation always says like you know. You're not supposed supposed to be your friend. You're supposed to be your kids parents and yet you can go back generations upon generation everyone that's closer to their kid and they work to their dad and the dad was to their grandpa like that's how it works. You know yeah well the other thing I would say we. He's not that much older than his kids so he really is in some ways he kind of is that in that big brother Range Lebron's thirty five and his son is fourteen so you know like I'm my daughter's fourteen and I'm forty nine. I feel like more like we're like the the old way a older person but he really is more of a contemporary. They probably listen to the same music. My Dad was my dad's only twenty one years older than I am and we were always like really close like that so <hes> but the one thing I would say with the Brian when he was at that basketball game when my daughter was playing the next game his sons game ended and and then we had warm ups for my daughter's game and you know it was like ten minutes and Lebron came back out because his team I I guess they were talking to <hes> the team whatever packing up getting ready and the bronze came out and watch the first quarter of my daughter's game and there was no reason for it other than he just just likes basketball. He was like in a gym and there was a basketball bouncing and he just Kinda was like I'm I just Love Basketball Mino- watched it. He's watching an eighth grade basketball game game girls that he does not know it was just like I'm just going to watch this so I really just think he generally you. You were there sitting like with the guy became thrown. That's basically their short and you're sitting around and you're like Oh look. There's with Ron Paul Lynde the whole life the fraud watches your daughter play basketball normal things we can all relate to everyone looks tie like that's why we agreed story this shit that happens when you're in L._A. But I was so proud of my daughter's team I thought they would just throw every ball out of bounds and just be completely nervous. Step it up you know she was like she came in after they played because Lebron was watching all right settled out but <hes> yeah he he does <hes> I think his love for basketball has always been really genuine from day one and I think that the Zion would would I've seen from him. So far. I feel like is very similar in that respect where you have these guys who are phenomenal athletes but who also seemed like they just genuinely like the sport I just like playing and being around gym and just being in the mix and I think those are the guys that end up usually making it like in in the biggest possible way I saw footage of Zion <hes> throwing a football around the drew brees pretty good spiral. I was looking at my phone so I couldn't see that tight but <hes> you know it looked okay. Oh Yeah you wrap. If you act like I didn't study that one yeah I to me like watching watching guys like Zion Dan play another sport. I would just watch hours and hours of that like Zion playing hockey's iron playing baseball whatever <hes> hold on let's take another break. A shady raise is not some big corporation over charges for shades there an independent sunglasses company and that's out to do it differently. 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Manson family and helter skelter book and the two part movie was Steve Rails Back Act like I was in on all this stuff now we have this new book comes out that takes all this stuff that ad already thought about digested and accepted in my head that Charles Manson was this crazy cult leader who had this band of woman that he would have sex with and who were just completely loyal and faithful to him and he decided he would start this helter skelter war between whites and blacks and then they would they would recede into their ranch after it started wait for for everyone to kill each other and then emerge as the new leaders of this whole revolution is the single craziest <hes> heat check theory. I think anyone's ever had an an awful for different reasons but <hes> this was actually what carried the day in court Vincent Bugliosi. The prosecutor convinced the Jerry say that this was Manson's plan and it seemed like the evidence was there that this actually really was the plan and now twenty years later this book comes out and the Guy who's who spent way too much time and basically his life fell apart as he researched it and reported it and hit dead ends and all this Steph and then ends up releasing the book and has now turned that history on its ear. I know you care about this. There's no way you don't what are your thoughts. Well okay. I haven't read the book yet okay. I haven't read this new book okay. I'll say it okay the idea that Manson did not really mastermind signed the Labianca murders and all that then existed for awhile there there was a long sort of <hes> held belief that maybe Tex Watson was doing speed spe- deal and it was that it was spiel that went wrong or whatever and the whole idea of this of of you know Manson listening to the white album thinking helter skelter was a description of this coming race war <hes> that really was entered into the conversation by believes that was sort of his Bam he wrote the Book Helter Skelter <hes> so is it possible that the the that that that these murders actually played out differently than sort of our historical record and that that <hes> that you know he they were closer to just like bad hippies and not better. I don't know possibly I will say this. Though if the book is you stay in indicates. That Manson was actually a C._I._A. V._I._S._A. Operative there is a lot of evidence to contradict that particularly his whole life growing up I mean there was a very good book about Manson. It came out five years ago because they're really I think it's just called that. That really does a pretty granules. <hes> you know investigation of his early life and there's absolutely no way that the C._I._A. Would target this person to be their operative. I don't even know what the to understand the counterculture they were using him in men in order to make sure the cover works they put him in jail for the rest of his life and he's like sure I'll do it. Obviously he was in a cult obviously squeaky Krom Nak with all these people had it would carve exit in their heads with knives to show their support for him. He was obviously leading this cope so I'll probably read this book but it's going to be pretty persuaded to wait the raiders Tom O'Neil he gave an interview with the New York Times a couple days ago and he said they asked him why is the reference in the book title and he said head as it may sound like a crazy conspiracy theory. That's how he starts but I discovered a lot of evidence that right after Manson was released from prison in sixty seven he he was spending a lotta time in the same medical clinic in San Francisco where it's been documented that A. C. I. Employee Recruiting Subjects for Studies of L._S._D. In its ability influence behavior coincident on are not Manson suddenly transformed from a harmless little ex-con. Nobody ever gave a second glance to an all-powerful Guru surrounded by a Harem of women who would do anything he asks including kill complete strangers so the time says okay Manson as a Manchurian candidate. That's pretty crazy so this guy responds well. It's a documented fact the had a program called chaos in the F._B._i. Had One called co Intel pro the object of both at the time secret operations Grayson's destabilize the left wing movement may hippies appear dangerous and at this was a government operation boy. Did they succeed t believe this now more were less after I read that I mean okay. He's right about one thing. If this was the plant it works like it's the Mo- it's a one time the C._I._A. Did something that succeeded in you know like they could not kill Castro. They considered trying to poison his mustache but if this is the one that worked it worked very well the I'm sure I mean everyone else now. The C._I._A. Was Giving People L._S._D. To See what would happen if the used to create create the super soldiers or the truth firm all that stuff but at the same time there are many many many people who have taken L._S._d. and has a big trip and then became themselves again right. There are many more of that than there are people who become you know <hes> <hes> and it also so you know in nineteen sixty nine L._A. About like I L D was very very accessible like you need the C._I._A. To give it g like you could get it <hes> about the Tarantino movie. I'm not going to give anything away as you have yet but I will say this is. There's one a lot of interesting thinking about it. I really liked it but it has been a very long time. Someone made any kind of arch that was this anti anti hippie because that has really fallen out of favor especially among young people and we talked to young people about the late sixty. It's pretty clear who they you think heroes were. It is really surprising to see like a like. It's almost like mad magazine from the seventies like it's like they like they hate him. Episode Movie <hes> It it was jarring might be too strong of a word but I was surprised by like I I I did not <hes> <hes> I mean granted the Hippie that they're using are the the worst hippies that ever lived. I mean unless this guy this book up end of this but I mean yeah but they a sort of you know like Brad. Pitt and Leonardo Dicaprio are people who like we're of the fifty. This is how we think of Hippie them. That's it yeah I'm I'm surprised is the fiftieth anniversary of just a lot of stuff summer sixty nine. I think it was one of the most iconic summers that we've had had and I'm surprised that Manson had a bigger shelf-life with the whole nostalgic crowd this summer than Woodstock. Did I really they expected Woodstock the fiftieth anniversary and all that stuff to be this but it's interesting woodstock ninety nine which quit so they were doing a podcast about for luminary read right now but it seems like woodstock just because it was closer in time it was only twenty years ago is more interesting to somebody who's under thirty then woodstock in nineteen sixty nine and all these bands are and I wonder if that era is now kind of dying off well particularly also with Charlie early Manson never disappeared from the culture like he was a very prominent culture in the eighties. When the relationship between heavy metal and say was common you know axl rose covers Charlie Manson song on their covers records? It's like track. Look at your game girl. Actually kind of a pretty could song that you don't have to say that now because trolling wrote it <hes> there was a release of the music he had recorded in prison. I think I got this in like nineteen ninety nine five or one thousand nine hundred six like he was on the cover spin magazine once like like Manson has always been <hes> like a a figure in culture because he seemed to sort of obviously embody a lot of the qualities that are incorrectly incorrectly applied to counter cultural activity yeah but he actually sort of embody in a lot of ways like the worst nightmare people would make up about rock. Are you sick or whatever where woodstock music like you know crosby stills Nash and stuff like that like that was that was just Kinda gone from like the Middle Eighties well into the ninety here it a little bit more kind of being re appreciated now but there was like a lot of the artists who performed at the original woodstock that was it was not like nobody was listening to the Woodstock Soundtrack early ninety that was not like an artifact people cared about yeah I will so my son started playing bass about two months ago and is really into it and a lot the songs that he likes her these classic rock songs and I there's just songs I haven't thought about bands I haven't thought about in years because why would you but like he's playing sunshine of your life by cream and the heart Bunga plate. Jack Bruce was real good bass player yeah yeah well. He likes that he likes eggs. <hes> there's a few of them but it's just funny that like when I was growing up we had is so we're talking like eighty one eighty two. I started getting the music nineteen eighty one nineteen eighty two and we just didn't have a big library of music to kind of dive into right so classic acid rock had this incredible power and kind of ease fourteen years of music. You know like the Steve Miller greatest hits bannet Senate that that's this that album is just kind of disappeared at this point but was one of the biggest albums of the eighties and album that was on it every day. I went to high high school but now I look at the kids. If you're if you're like fourteen now like my daughter and you're really getting a music <hes> you have fifty plus plus years of music to draw from. It's kind of staggering like I don't even know where you'd begin. So you have stuff like the whole classic rock genres. Just Kinda gone because somebody like my son would have thirty plus years of hip hop to go through to. He likes hip hop more than rock so I it was just kind of startling to me that we have enough music now to last for the rest of our lives basically but when I was in nineteen eighty three I didn't feel like we had enough. I was as I was always like excited to discover new album. Well someone you were when you first get into music eighty-three holder you eight three like thirteen or something like working arcane thirteen four hundred yeah you know when I was getting into music in the eighties bands like Black Sabbath and led Zeppelin and rush to me seemed too old for me to be into <hes> like I was into Motley crue and guns and roses poison and Tesla and all the bands lands that were happening then because when you're young it doesn't take a lot for stopping to seem too old now black Sabbath doesn't seem any older now than they did when I was a kid in nineteen eighty five because time has changed with this like the the ability to sort of troll we listen to increase so much where it's like you don't have to worry about like whether or not you're being exposed to this on the radio or records or whatever <hes> what I think also kids just list now because of of of downloading music minutes everyone has said this is like people really get into Jay album ever ever. It's like it's just individual songs so like it's your son probably knows does maybe one song by cream or chew songs by cream. It would have been very weird for somebody. Having that experience in nineteen ninety two only know to cream aw that would mean they consciously did not play the rest of the best record nick. Oh yeah that's true and I think Queen is the best example this like my my kids absolutely absolutely love Queen and they love the movie which is hilarious. I think they would probably the I q level of of the audience for that movie but <hes> there's Queen I would say had like five or six really really iconic memorable songs and that's all you really need they do queen was around for. I don't know when the I can't remember when they started with Iran for a solid decade I when I was in the moment more than that yeah yeah well. Then Freddy did a couple albums all that stuff but in the moment I never considered them even remotely on par with somebody like out John I just didn't I just felt like they were a level below. Two levels blow rolling stones they Bohemian rhapsody was obviously you know an Alzheimer but they were it was just the body works was there and really the live aid performance in a weird way was kind of their apex Balance Barroux watchable term where it was. They just blew everybody away on a day when everybody was there and now it's been funny to watch that evolve over the course of history were now. My son assumes they were probably the biggest band of that era. They're they're bigger than the rolling stones bigger. I my son was like Dad. We we just watch me wraps this weekend. Say Dad had when they played live aid. Was that like the biggest thing ever and I was like no. It's actually a much bigger deal. That led Zeppelin was there. The Queen was fucking afterthought. What you're Zhang is kind of instructive? First of all. It's like Queen probably was the biggest ban the world that England because even like Robert Plant has a certain degree of like jealousy. Let's see towards the amount of coverage that would get because they were just seen as sort of more. I don't know like <hes> like like a more polished less. You know even in a more polished and more like sort of I don't know <hes> when she say there are more more leg than beloved like just appreciated in U._K. So you say when you describe queen you're like so they had like four or five kind of kind of thoughts and these they're like you know how we understand queen. What is interesting is that if you were a queen fan in the seventies or the eighty you would have never the thought of them as a singles album band if you like it would be <hes> pretty uncall- Three Queen and fan in nineteen seventy eight seventy nine but he mean wraps favorite Queen Song that would suggest you really wasn't a queen fan or if you're bite the dust that was that's that was actually probably a bigger spike in the moment than any of the other songs but that was like a that it was sort of seen as outside of what was good about the band but now you're probably right now for most people lean is a collection of five or six times and what that does Pru it is that top music is more important than rock is like like rock music is cooler? I obviously prefer the pop music is more important because it sort of transcends time when you think of the biggest part of the twentieth century. It's like Sinatra Michael Jackson. You know it's like people Elvis. <hes> these people who are famous people who have no relationship to the music you know because top music means that popular music is popular. What people you want is popular thing so we now when you think of them historically the average person not somebody who thinks about rock music for a living but like the average person and what they really think about is the extension of their rock Cadillac the song they made that were played on top radio <hes> I always wanted interesting things about debate between like rockets people and top to Mr whatever you these kind of complicated argument explain why Papa so important Oh they say is it affects the culture more like it doesn't matter what the reason it's just something in pop music is important because it's important talk to people who barely care so I mean I like the way your son was clean? That's probably how queen will be thought about going forward yeah Oh. I don't think it's even probably the by the way just for the record. I always thought Radio Gaga was a terrible song even in the eighties. I'll never on ever change my mind on that one. I not a fan but what do you think a one vision. One vision used really well in the movie I are that is true well. I don't I don't feel he he'd be my case for Queen was a level below like Freddie Mercury released two solo albums and I think like eighty five eighty seven and you know I'm sure it was a pretty big deal in the U._k. But it just really wasn't a big deal in America Erica that Mr Bagai record actually is great okay and then the second record he made with a popular opera singer from Italy and people people kind of critically like that record more. I don't like it as much <hes> but your argument is that I just wanted to make sure that I stay so you're saying he made bill solar record. They weren't huge well. I think he didn't stand out in the mid eighties like about ten thirteen other people because that was also you know you're talking about. One of the most action packed loaded air as we've had of just stars you know you like springsteen. Madonna Michael Jackson ladies are like Alzheimer's and they were all kind of peeking around the same time <hes> but I just felt felt like the live aid thing the movie as one of the only good things that movie did was do a nice job of pointing out that they kind of needed that performance. It's you know the especially broken up and they lost momentum and they weren't even after the booty has not together for a period period. They put a record out like it wasn't it wasn't like they came back together again for live eight. It was like it was just sort of the most for whatever lottery the most memorable performance I mean like yeah definitely department that live aid was terrible like savage. Wasn't that good. <hes> you know there was a there was a handful of people who who performed and it was like a weird deal because it was like the short twenty minutes set in like the ultimate festival situation and they performed real well see my emerald live aid my memory live aid was it being pretty disappointing and the sets feeling like they weren't long enough and the Zeppelin thing was such like a Dan rea the hype for that versus what actually was delivered. I remember like from a musical standpoint. I like the prince's trust concerts more because they would put the CDs of those out and those had really good bands our kind of on their way up and they're those are like good compilation albums but I I'm. I'm the weird thing you know I didn't <unk>. I didn't watch the live aid. Oh really weird your we well know wasn't age. It was on T._v. But I was just like Motley. Motley crue now playing like none of the band's I wanted to she were playing so I was like I was like I'm not watching. I want you know like I I want. I don't want the next ever want to see you know Elliott guns or whatever so I didn't even watch it. <hes> I do think it's amazing though that event said to you two years ago there's two movies coming out one is about the life about John and one is basically the the life of Queen only the band it is really heavily involved and they're not gonna go into any of the really interesting Freddie Mercury stuff. It's just going to be a hagiography. Which one do you think will do better? I I think John would have been like a ten to one favorite. It'd be particularly if you include the word. Hagiography is like probably going to be bad but you know people like hagiography about people like that's kind of what you know they they <hes> like this. Mr Rogers movies coming out like I have to say this movie like if it's like GonNa problem so much is mister Rogers. I don't fucking bitch. I I have no interest in seeing a movie that complicates the identity of Mr like on. I mean maybe it doesn't I have no idea I really <hes> I saw I saw the doctor really let I really liked the documentary. I just don't feel like I need to see the movie well. The thing is when you watch the documentary does raise this question at talks very little about his childhood and the childhood sounds real interesting but like it could be too interesting interesting like it could be in a way that like I don't WanNa be that you know so I was like I don't WanNa know hold on. Let's take a quick break. Hey you love to Cook Tuck. You're not in the mood to do the dishes tonight. Well Watch your favorite show. Their favorite people instead get it delivered door dash they connected with your favorite restaurants in your city. Ordering is easy. He is the DOOR DASH APP. 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I WanNa talk to you about something out that that it captured on book tour and some kind of doing this to promote the release of raisin captivity thought I mentioned okay don't do in an event in Boston. <hes> and <hes> like COMP radha providence onstage real cool within the two that I'm actually doing. What David did you in Seattle? That's Kinda upsetting next week but anyway yeah exactly yeah <hes> any have you seen as marshawn Lynch show and it's pretty cool now <hes> but regarding <hes> <hes> the people coming up asking lots of questions and this guy asked me what you think about the people who are going to storm area fifty one and I was like what <laughter> and he's like yeah. These people have gotten together on the Internet it kind of made okay dis-decision that <hes> that they're going to storm area fifty one in Roswell New Mexico and I was like I I don't know much. I don't know anything about this. I haven't heard about the guy goes back is chair and I'm kind of just making jokes about it and I'm like you. I wonder when is this going to happen and then a different person in the audience yields out September twentieth now. There's one hundred people at this now at least one fiftieth of this audience knows about this year on and September twentieth mentioning. It's my anniversary but it's also going to be the people apparently are going to get together outside of maybe Las Vegas or something. Supposedly Rosalie go to area fifty one and just kind of they say like they can't stop all of us. We're just going to come in math and like inside there and see see what they've been hiding and the military. Now is basically said well if you attempted which I'm sure you're not but if you do we are going to shoot to people like we're GONNA shoot people who try to <hes> now maybe they're just trying to be threatening or whatever but I get I mean it's a military base <hes> I'm. I'm just curious. What do you think about the idea of a whole bunch of people trying to get an area fifty one? Well isn't as we head to the end of this decade. Isn't it the logical conclusion to a really bizarre decade of people mobilizing with weird causes on the Internet and then actually actually following through with weird proclamations like this is pizza gate but like a more relatable pizza gate where we've all had we have thought about fifty one and had takes on it and wondered about it Sunday of other people who have just said were fucking go in there her and it might actually happen like my kids asked me about this a couple of days ago there like much bigger deal yeah leave that to people at least elites but I don't know how many people have this reading stayed quiet. After I sort of acted like what in the hell is going on why why are all the people here knowing that it is a you know except for the longest time you know there was you you'd hear about an airforce guy or something saw something he couldn't explain you know it's like that will use your this lot but prior to the early nineties. The assumption was allie probably Russian stuff right like it's probably it's probably you know Russian military personnel like that's probably what we're seeing and it's kind of scary because you know what they have. Well then Russia Falls Soviet Union fall. We now know all about their technology technology as it turns out for the most part they were ahead of us on some stuff but mostly behind us and definitely like didn't have anti-gravitational drive drive or anything like that now even the New York Times you will see a story about like what information does the government have about extraterrestrial terrestrial beings visiting earth. Whatever let's say you were President? Okay your President Bill Yeah and you're you were briefed that it was like we know an area fifty one. There is a crash spacecraft and we did find the quirks of an alien and we dissect him when he's not at all these things but the the information you've found it very trouble like it's something that would definitely cause people to <hes> be very alarmed. Would you say can you suppressing it or would you feel as though well. This does seem like nothing of the national interest. It must be told so you've had had how many presidents since since this allegedly happened <hes> st well at least like eight nine ten three the four five six seven eight nine nine or ten yeah I think I think if I'm right so your theory is correct which I enjoy the theory in I'd debating about whether I wanNA support it. I'm very close. All those presidents would have come to the same conclusion that people can never know about this because they'll be really disturbed. Now we have a president in office now who doesn't care about stuff like that and probably wouldn't mind people be disturbed about something like this and would bring it up Ab- when he kind of needs something to flecked everybody from something else. He doesn't want people talking about for two days so I could see him if it was that disturbing I think he's is the one who would who would kind of tell us about it. Which makes me think it's all smoke and mirrors? Nothing actually happened so well. I mean so much time has past though it may not just be like we're GONNA win. The president asks what's going on area fifty one to go like nothing. You know. Nothing does often yeah they're. They're like you know what they're doing this because it's a kind of a curious thing it's like if you were present like would you be interested in saying getting more into reinvestigating the J._F._k. Assassination area fifty one or any that'd that'd be wondering if this is one of the many reasons I can't be president because I would take office and out immediately. Try to find out the answers to eight things that have always bothered me. I'd be like a just just can you just show me how the J._F._k. Steph can you show me the stuff. Nobody seed the stuff that can't be released to does twenty-five at the desk by by Monday and <hes> just the actual video of of the first five moon missions. I JUST WANNA look at it shoot. Just excuse me give me a gander. Someone check it out. Let's see the unedited met the director's cut. I'd WanNa see all that stuff but that's why I can't be president the bridge the real president should have should be China. You know go through his agenda. <hes> we the ability data videotape everything thing immediately so the whole thing with you have ots was it was always somebody grabbed their camera at the last second and there's something up there. They were able to get like a terrible video Jio camera footage of it but now it's two thousand nineteen we live in a world where Rafael Devers is up at bat bases loaded and every person the ballpark is videotaping taping it. Wouldn't you think like the number of available cameras the number of times people are just shooting things with their camera which I would say has increased by. What a Billion Times what it was twenty five years ago wouldn't it wouldn't the number of of accidental dental U._F._O? Sightings have also increased proportionally. Wouldn't we be getting one every six weeks. They actually have apparently like a particularly literally within in in Russia and Europe. It's much more common to have those dashboard cameras yeah. They have a lot of people have dashboard cameras and that seems to be where a lot of this is coming from there there I mean I think there has been uptick in this. <hes> I don't know if it is commensurate with the number of people who are now kind of random thing with their camera but <hes> I in general there does seem to be <hes> a more of a willingness for kind of credible military and political leaders to want to have this conversation you don't and we because they've always always sort of worked from this interesting premise mathematically. It's almost a guarantee that life exists in the universe outside of US ran like like the math demands that that'd be the case <hes> if if there aren't that's the best argument for God possible that that that this would somehow only happened once in this place however while conceding that the math says there must be aliens. The idea is like well but you know we'll never reach them. They'll never ever reach US spaces and then so it's like who knows the distance is kind of interesting to have both of those thoughts at the same time I mean if you accept that within infinity everything that can happen will happen. There's actually a lot of opportunity for life to space so wh Whoa why why is it so unthinkable that that there would be cultures could travel at a much higher rate of speed and we can't like our understanding of science it could be very primitive to some of the world I mean these are all obvious that people said a million times but <hes> I I would be surprised if in my lifetime contact is made with aliens but I think there are other things that was surprised me more I just looked over and Efi Kyle and if there was a giant bowl right now that he could just just smoke from that monologue you just had he was like it was the only thing he was missing. Here's A. Yeah he was Israeli into it. <hes> I think it's interesting how many people care about aliens vs how it's dispersed in popular culture because you know think about there's that famous will Smith story where he wanted to be. The biggest star in the world that he looked at the box office and realized like five of the top top nine movies were alien movies and was I just I need start make alien movies and just that became a critter active and it is true. If you look at the biggest movies of Wa time it's basically aliens and superheroes so people do care about this stuff and we do have the technology <hes> that would be able to capture any any weird event but they always seem to be happening in Russia at these countries. That aren't here the area fifty one thing. It seems like people are now trying to force forced this to happen there for their forcing alien encounter they they want to manufacture it themselves because they've been dissatisfied that they haven't had that <hes> MME and avid so. I don't know that'd be well it. It is a it is an odd thing when I was in college. I I took a class on you got a U._F._O. Class by a guy named John South Indian studies program. I guess it'd be native American Studies Program now he he was a big Guy Vulva civil rights maker ever she all these things <hes> he was very political but he also was very insistent that he had been contacted by alien early in his life and we had this so he was a two credit class weirdly in the Indian studies program about but <hes> if we talked about all the different kinds of encounters Yali. I'll never forget this like for kids so much stuff. I learned in college but I remember this is like he was describing like <hes> like things that were different about him after the U._F._O. Contact his argument was that you contact the most open minded people that that's that they're that they're that they're very good. They're not here to hurt us. They're slowly contacting the most open minded people you know to teach you SORTA. Kinda come cars fighting so he had three things that happened immediately after he was contacted by the deleon one was that no longer heading died it was completely at ease all the time wow all anxiety he had ever had gone the second one was that he had never been able to grow a beard but now had shaved every day it could grow a beard in a week if if you try if he's like he's never been able to grow a beard now after the encounter but the third one was always the strangest one prior to contract he said he hated peas but now was revenue forth any opportunity to eat A._p.'s he would although growing up he despised them either three speed of the three things that happened. Apparently if you play your phone so it's almost like when somebody when your wife is pregnant and they have like a craving for boneless chicken wings or something I think he is a craving for the rest of his life but then you know come from pods right so we have to talk about U._F._O. pod people correct so maybe the FO sees the peace on earth is like the closest extension of who they are and therefore they have some kind of kind of metaphysical connection with apiece 'cause they kept and therefore if you meet these aliens and you exchanged ideas and you change promotion you will then WanNa consume. You know the Alien Life Force. which is the Common Pete Amazing? Let's take one more break. We'll more break to talk about Mizzen and main pain. Have you ever worn a dress shirt. That subconsciously reminded you of a straightjacket. 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It's never felt better to look your best all right last topic then we're GONNA go deep. I texted you. A bunch of possible. Topics I talk about in one is that's. Why can't we find a presidential candidate that everybody gets excited about it and is that even is that even possible anymore in two thousand nineteen and if it was possible? What would that candidate look like oh I misunderstood? I thought you were saying like I'm looking at these candidates and like they also be bad because I will. I gotta say I've been pleasantly surprised by the candidate. Let me like I don't know it's been a long time since I have like a candidate as much as I compete but again I just I think he's I I think he's a real thoughtful person and <hes> you know and and like even in the debate last night I mean there's another one tonight but the one from Tuesday when but one sanders we're talking about the idea of trade how like if you give businesses the opportunity community to to build a factory in Vietnam to save five cents. They're going to do it every time. We almost have to create legislation to stop doing that. The other cat is we're sort of like well. That's a physical trait is like gotta be able to trade with them allies. I thought it was I I've been for the most part. Maybe I don't know I I I. They had the kind of found a lot of these individuals more competent than I would have guessed yeah so you're comparing them to years past just like even forty competence watch I watched all the Republican debate when trump was running and and these debates are so different. I mean like they're they're. The people are so different. You know I mean he's still get some stupid stuff. You get like Oh people arguing over what's really patriotic Adriatic like he is this patriotic this action patriotic. It's like the difference between patriotism and nationalism semantic patriotic stupid okay. There's no reason to love a place more because you happen to have been born there. That's just going to have rational sort of reaction so don't try to build into your policy about like what you know. What's the most patriotic thing like you are? Human Rights. Patriotic is the economy patriotic. It's like that's dumb. You still get some of that sometimes <hes> <music> but in general I find the sort of the the discourse pretty good like <hes> like pretty interesting wow we it will so going back to my the the question. Do you think will ever have a candidate again that people remember you know finally years later for whatever reason it could be republican or Democrat because I think you know I think Reagan is somebody that whether you want to pick apart part how his eight years went and especially the last couple I think with somebody that most people liked and just for like I like the guy and is that even even possible to have anymore. I mean it's Kinda to question. Is it possible to have a candidate that people in the E._E._O. In retrospect will look back at Bodley. Absolutely I mean look at the way people perceive George W Bush you know that you can go back and read village voice from like two thousand three or two thousand six and the language they used scribes Bush is identical to the language now you describe trump search and replace Bush and trump would not know the cover of the village voice where Bush was the vampire biting the neck of the Statue of Liberty then with the cover of the village voice but now it's it's like he's a painter and he's not bad at it and he gives you know Obama's wife a Mentos at the state funeral and doing interesting Kinda reasonable and you could speak Spanish edition like that's already happened. I think for the most part Bill Clinton being the example because of how culture has changed in terms the sexual politics for the most part you know anyone who wins the presidency as time passes tends to kind of be beloved. I mean Jimmy Carter one of the worst presence of the twentieth century in terms of how much success he had as brandon but he's got a great post-presidential beard people working now now if you're asking could there be a candidate in the present tense who is below as he or she run no way I mean partially partially because the system is set up against like how could there be. Someone like like you know. Even like Obama was pretty popular popular president. I think he's reputation is is about as good as one could hope having been you know away from that job for less and years or whatever but he was in no way of beloved candidates I mean there. was you know he was criticized in the same degree. Anybody else's so like I'm not sure if you look at somebody like okay Marianne Williamson okay she after the debate last night I which I had to kind of see on tape than this one it was live but I was looking at twitter and and checking my twitter feed. She won the debate okay. It's like if I if you use my twitter feed as an example of the world it's like Elizabeth Warren already president evident and now Marianne Williamson has died president or whatever you know so she like she seems like a cult of personality around her that that the it's it's the people are just terrific charmed buyer and they're like well like her ironically. Do I like your seriously <hes> of course not a serious candidate but I think that she's he's pretty close to being widely right candidate well. It's funny how as the years pass when somebody's not in the spotlight position that they are in then we like the George W Bush things a great example this happens with N._B._A. Players right did this happens <music> with this can happen with Chris Webber this could happen. It's happened with Vince Carter this could happen with we saw Kobe Bryant the last few years and how the people just choose to remember either what's happened lately or how what their feelings were near the end of the career and the throw away all the other stuff and then this this alternate universe happens about how this player how their career went versus would actually happen in the career first of all. I commend you for always being being able to bring it back. I listen I know my basis chuck. It's SORTA like iomega basis. Well I know but it's it really interesting thing. It's like your ability to see the world the Lens of basketball validates the success of your basketball is how you understand life like I would. I think that the reason that you only had two kids instead of three. I would've thought it was your choice because you're like we have three. You can only play zone all right now. You're getting carried away. No I think basketball is the only sport where an especially now just distract well well. Maybe maybe that's maybe that's a book now. I think the personalities are so powerful that sometimes the career takes a different form form. I don't know if this happens with other like in baseball. You're just trapped by the stats right where whatever whatever ends up being your legacy is is the stats stats not whatever however feel felt then versus now and then football you know their careers are so short and eat eat out. Joe Montana was great. I don't feel any differently about that. Thirty years later twenty five years later than it did in the moment but in in basketball for for some reason it can really shift and the one person that has shifted for for whatever reason is Carmelo Anthony. There's like this really that I think I find very bizarre. It is but I mean he's still going to try to play this year right. I think it's over but well you. Don't I mean I I. I've been watching him work out. He was pretty good working out in the empty Jim but <hes> I would think somebody would say well. You know the thing that was it. I think it was Chunky billups. There's Chauncey billups. He said something oddly candid about Carmelo Anthony which was like he was just she. It was too interested in getting thirty points. Yeah and it's like it's something everybody knows but it was really surprising to hear teammates say that right because I feel like and a lot of ways like they feel like the like you know the the the lock is is shut on my teammates like I'm never gonNa say these things until like we're really old old people so that was pricing. I mean but now so let's say is ten years from now. Okay so come out of the League for for eleven years or whatever yeah I can certainly see whatever version of us who's kindly in their twenties or whatever you know. They're running earning their. I don't know podcast will exist or whatever will be and they'll say like. Do you remember how everybody was just like. Camello is terrible and then let's call up his his numbers. Oh my God look at all these. I could see that changing we sent I think sooner than ten years I think it'll I think it'd <music> when he retires. I think there will be immediate shift and pupil back. Hey you know what Carmelo Anthony actually was really great and it'll totally shit for him but for some some reason because he's still trying to play. There's I'm just amazed by how much shady takes 'cause you know. He came within two wins of making the finals in Oh nine a. and the two thousand thirteen next really good. I think he was the number two M._V._p. Pick one year wasn't like people make it seem like he was well but the overrated eh died the analytics guys hate him and that's a bad group to have turn on you because you can't defend the guy like if the analytics as people say like Carmelo was actually fraction of is good as Tobias Harris or whatever the case may be. You know <hes> any argument you use to sort if you spend that they'll just say like what you're not a rational person that you don't you don't care about evidence you just you. All you care about you. Can't he has some good analytic years though that's the thing it's that's why I feel like it's irrational. You did make me think of these. You're talking about that. If if we had add in analytics like we do sports it's for politicians and people were being like look. Jimmy Carter's wore was way higher than people realize and seventy eight he had incredible here. Where did this this that the other thing 'cause? It's either the perception of how somebody did as Carter was I thought when I was really he ended his stuff when I was a political science major in college all that stuff Carter was I thought the most riveting president to study after the fact because he was the one guy <hes> that would end of that presidency with real ideals and tried to accomplish salmon just got demolished and he it's a really good case study for everybody that came before for an after but I'm sure there's some at some version of politics advanced metrics that could be that could make a case that he was better president than we thought well. You know no actually I would say that they're probably be version of that any bad because his own analytic only seemed to work in sports. They don't even work that well impolitic in terms of polling they end up giving us the state of giving us like a specific scent of something that we already we sort of agreed on our own like sports has the most at yeah time you see these things like let's try to do look pretty use analytics for the Oscars or like. Let's let's try to use analytics to like understand like Oh. I don't know what the <hes> like. What what's the best way to do anything that is not that beige that we don't have number yeah you know like okay so Carter? One time went on television and it was was Kinda during the oil crisis and he like look into the camera and he was like everyone should wear a sweater. Turn your thermostat down where sweater right okay okay so now that is an attempt to sort of human is a real issue but he did it did not come across well. You know so it's like how do you how Oh you somehow quantify the fact that when Nixon talks about his dog people love it and when Carter talks about sweater people think it's crazy or like when Carter order says I was on a boat I got attacked by a giant wing ravage okay like I bet that did happen to him. Why would he make that up but people are like the president the tech giant women are avid like not very presidential or whatever like I'd hoped wait a measure the things that we act us to understand these people like like there's no analytic that would describe why Williamson did well on the debate last night you know how like with <hes> like basketball or baseball father able to put whatever was going on in the era and then adjust the stats that way so like in basketball they have like the pace of possession baseball drinking do it? It'd be funny funny via do that with politics seemed like well actually Carter few look at the late seventies like yet the the oil and Iran and you had you had a ton Hanako Cain like he had a lot of obstacles so we gotta factor that in his case of possession for versus Regan comes in the eighties. Everybody's happier <hes> yeah I I the Malays speech was the other that killed him. I mean that was that was that now when to have a president just stare in your T._v. And just be like you guys suck we gotta do better people are like no no this can't no you need to go. You have people you cannot do that. You cannot kill you cannot be honest people if the honesty means that like there's something sort of wrong with you inherently right right every hostage the hostage situation was bad because it made him seem real powerless and then the attempt to rescue them failed so then it was like bear not trying again Dan the fact that they released the hostages on the day Reagan is being inaugurated which was the same day as the Eagles and the raiders played in the Super Bowl so there was all this stuff going on and I like the fact that that it happened at the same time it just it it almost made it seem like a rant was basically saying like we we waited for him. Well they did like we waited for him to be president to release them just so you know it right him seemed like figure <hes> even though he really did all the work to get them release working twenty hours a day up until their release tough on Jimmy Carter Poor Guy <hes> all right so what what are your book tour stops on August sick next to today. I'm in Portland on the eighth <hes> I'm in Seattle and then the following Monday Sunday which I think is twelve and outside. I mean like Parma Ohio Cleveland Ohio the last three one yeah did you when you were on the last time you hadn't seen Chernobyl yet. I have seen it now and it was everything I told you it was going to be wasn't it was very very good. I mean I'll say this. I've never watched a dramatic theories like a non documentary where I learned so much as it turns out I oh I did not know how nuclear reactor worse right. I had no idea whatsoever <hes> I will say to somebody who's listening to this. This and they're like oh man. I've got the time for that if you watch the first episode and the last episode you get almost everything yeah. It's helpful. Oh Pogo Watch the whole thing but there's like a lot of expedition particularly in the last episode in the courtroom. That really explains a lot. I mean you'll you'll miss. It's like the personal relationships or whatever <hes> but it was very good you know nick did never go watch it. I watched the first episode knows it never I'm not I'm not out but I just want tough. It's tough to regain the momentum. I don't one criticism of it that I thought was real interesting. Somebody said that because they used all British actors actors yeah it really sort of you the way it was total because they say that depressed British people are very different than depressed rush the way people express express depression is very different than the way British to British people do <hes> i. That's kind of you know that kind of an interesting idea. I never know what accents somebody should have in a show like that. I don't know what is like a Russian accent. Excited British seems try why fantasy like why why why did he most fantasy involved people speaking vaguely British I mean and granted they had kings gettable stuff but game of thrones is not in England but everyone's Kinda great Bush. I loved her Novo though the last thing and then we'll go is just. Are you watching loudest voice or now. What did oh it's? It's it would be the most closer mini show of the year Chernobyl. Go ahead and come out. It's Russell Crowe playing Roger Ailes. Oh yeah you know I forgot. I didn't know what it was idle. I saw the trailer sport. I'll probably watch that oh I would probably watch that I would say it's in your wheelhouse way more than you realize it is because it's really a history of of <hes> Fox News and that how they put that channel together in the mindset behind it and how that channel channel of of through the air but also ensure me too stuff going on and its way out of that I've been watching this show years and years two years yeah <hes> and I have really enjoyed that Kinda melodramatic some of the storylines that crazy but like for people who are kind of interested in like a distill be around the guerin right very well done in that regard a lot of action in terms of Newt and we both watched a documentary. That should have been one part in being too. I love you now die which I th I found I found has been a real interesting reflection on somebody's relationship what they whether they think the girl was guilty or not or what should have happened to her. It's it's it can end up turning into like <hes> an argument between a couple because some people some people think yeah put her in jail. Other people think actually site she she shouldn't have been convicted and then there's the third party which is the correct answer. Which is my answer which is guilty by insanity? I don't know what happened to guilty by insanity sanity but she seemed like that should have been the verdict. Well okay for people who don't know we're talking about. There's a documentary about a case that I think have pretty reason twenty fifteen yeah where a girl at a relationship with a guy I mean I guess they were boyfriend and girlfriend. They'd only see time here but they texted constantly and and then he was suicidal and she supposedly convinced him to commit suicide. <hes> you know it was the two part documentary like you watch. That's the first part is like she's obviously guilty and you watch the second part is just like Oh. Maybe she's innocent. It was like it was really wasn't very directly. There's about what really happened also. She doesn't talk in this documentary right. I guess you know I can understand why this is probably kind of an arrogant thing to say but I feel like if if I talk to you for twenty minutes but no I think it would be real telling what how what she likes person you know yeah. <hes> insanity is odd because what you're kind of arguing is in a way is that being in Highschool makes you insane that that instead of a high school we'll kid the then a normal school kid is kind of insane by standard and that might be true. I don't know you know I thought I thought her behavior was way was way past the normal level behavior and they had a lot of stuff in there that you know she's pretty off the rails and their relationship was off the rails and and and the the poor kid who ended up killing himself you e- would he had a lot of stuff going on and it was just like a toxic batch and well I. I don't know like I I I have found that as I talked when I talk to people about it. I am surprised by how many women I've talked to a lot of impetus border and said like that that's not thus far removed from the experience of being like a female in high school or whatever the the way that that you know the importance silence of your friendships and and also like the idea of gene things on television and sort of adopting it as your own narrative like I i. I didn't feel that way but I I've. I've been surprised by how many people I've talked. You have expressed that was he was basically he convinced she was one of the characters from Glee that that to me. That's like the insanity defense is we've been really helped with that information but no I don't think he was convinced eventually the character frankly I think she longed to have the life that she saw on a television. Well yes that yeah that when it's when a person is an adult that's weird when they're fourteen. I don't know I don't know what you like. I you have a better sense that you have a daughter. Maybe like like you know your daughter. Watch it. I I can have her. I wish it was an hour shorter but <hes> yeah I'd actually that's not a bad idea. It's pretty it's it's disturbing Manatt like super disturbing. I really want to watch them into. I saw you saw long. Talk with the girlfriend Alfred about it Joe did you did you disagree and whether she was guilty yeah yeah we kind of met in the middle but yeah see this is the thing about this documentary is I don't I haven't heard of a couple yet who agree completely on the on what they think. The verdict should have been. It's a good like we'll see what the thing is. It is a new problem yeah like that. It's not like it's not as though there's some version of that that happened we're in high school. There is none there is no version prior to this period of time where where people who only seen each other five times in two years could have that intimate of a relationship right. They wrote a letter every day. Yeah people used to do when their boyfriend or was in the army or whatever it's not like annual exit. It's just not like that you know and <hes> I I kinda pretty mixed about like in some ways. I feel that just having happened to her is almost enough of a penalty. I mean I mean she was in jail for what like a year and a half as this thing was going along and it seemed like and then they let her out they did the time serve thing and then the family rightfully hopefully was like what the fuck and then she ended up going back in but yeah I mean if she had she had no like she had no teenage experience. Really I mean you know it's it's like you're her current. The memory of Grad lessons is going to be completely negative. 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Remembering William Goldman With Brian Koppelman, Mike Lupica, Sean Fennessey, and Wesley Morris | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 445)

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Remembering William Goldman With Brian Koppelman, Mike Lupica, Sean Fennessey, and Wesley Morris | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 445)

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Here is guy that that mental at to me, obviously, I'll explain after we a- we get the program. All right. So this is a special holiday we podcast. No friend, Bill Goldman died last week and. I thought we call some people talk about we've been call make Luca who was probably his best friend who's the legendary New York sports writer. They wrote a book together, and he had a lot of meals on a lot of them. We're gonna talk to Brian Koppelman who was considered Goldman a mentor and was guy who introduced them to me or talk to whizzing Morris. Who's in my opinion, the best movie critic right now and a lunch that we had with Goldman once upon a time way back when? So my history with Goldman with see his book came out in eighty three the the movie book, and then wait till next year came out in the way to eighty somewhere around. Then I started reading them. And he also had the New York magazine he wrote about you heard about movies who you'd right in Oscars preview, and they knew right an Oscars recap. And I just was enchanted, by the way, he wrote about stuff because it felt like, you know, he felt like he's my friend. He had a way of writing about things that just you just kinda grasp onto and you just felt like this. This guy could be my buddy, I could go to dinner with this guy and talk them, and it had a big impact on in. If you read if you read wait till next year, he writes, a chapter about Dwight Gooden about Dwight good in went down with cocaine, and we're gonna talk about it when we talked to Luca. But the whole chapter is basically it was had a huge impact on how I want to read a sports com. Because at the time, you know, everybody was writing a sports com. Certain way. And you'd go in the locker rooms and your port them. And it was just you know, there there was a professionalism to it. But the fan didn't really feel like it was being represented in the right ways. And I was felt like I look at somebody like Peter gammons and the passion that he had racist Gerald Leigh montville, the guys that were in the Boston Globe that had a touch of that Bob Ryan, especially with the way he wrote about basketball and the Celtics like he knew he loved basketball, but he was also covering it. And they would just certain people like that that loop. Go is like that to talk to when hued right in the eighties for the daily news. Like I felt like he was a fan like he actually gave a crap and that balance and trying to figure out what that balance is between being detached. But also caring about what you write about as always been a tough on with sports writing over the years Goldman in wait till next year. He writes, the fan notes, and he's just. Basically a crazed fan in the way. He wrote about it. I just never seen anything like it. And it was always in my head from the time. I read that book to win outta calm and college for four years, and and then when I tried to do afterwards when I wrote a wrote d- my own website for four years the Boston sports guy. And then eventually when I landed a page too. But it was basically that same blueprint so between that and all the great movie stuff. He wrote is absolutely the most influential writer that that I had I, you know, I think when people you end up with a style or perspective and its shaped by a bunch of different people. Whether you're a writer musician, or whatever you are you're in that unit pieces of all the people that influenced you when you're kinda trying to figure out what to do. I think a radio host is like that TV host whoever. And so for me, you know, I. There's a bunch of different writers at influence, what might takes were on things, but he had the base influence of any of them. So I got to know him. The mid two thousands, which I I guess we're gonna talk about Koppelman later on, but we just became friends and to to be friends with somebody who you know, was a true hero. But who also was, you know, just a super generous guy who was kind of like, the the the closest thing I had to a Yoda and somebody that he could just always call and shoot the shit with sports movies and. Just just one of a kind. So we're gonna talk about him with a with loop gun with Koppelman and with Wesleyan, then I'm gonna place a couple podcasts that I did pieces of them from he came on my old podcast ESPN twice in two thousand eleven and two thousand fourteen so we're gonna finish with that. But in the meantime, I really hope you read the the the books that, you know, at least try one of the books if you if you like if you like reading about sports movies. I would try one of the books. I think it's worth it. He was one of a kind. He had a great life. He lived till he was eighty seven and saw a lot of great things did a lot of great things. And I think my favorite story, which is comes up in the two thousand eleven podcasts. He won the Oscar in nineteen seventy for Bush cast in the Sundance kid. The Oscar was the day. The Oscars were the day after game seven against. Baltimore that the Knicks had to advance to Baltimore to go the next round. And he loved that next to him, and it was really hard to get from New York to LA in nineteen seventy like, I I don't even know. I don't know what the direct flight situation. Was he explains on the podcast? So basically at a choice if you wanted to go to L A to go the night before us, he risks not even get into the Oscars and time, and he just skipped it and he went to game seven of the Dick's. He went to Nick's boats game seven the Knicks won. And he won the Oscar the next day for this movie that you know, he had spent a couple of years writing who put basically his whole career in the hands of this movie and it won. He won the Oscar for best screenplay any wasn't there. Because he picked the Knicks. I don't know if there's any short short version of a story that could explain somebody better that the guy was great enough to win it. Oscar Anne loves sports so much that he would rather bend at the. Next game. So he was. Is an awesome guy. So you'll you'll hear over the next two plus hours, you'll you'll hear why I up Meg Luca areas. All right. Mike Luca is on the line. He wrote one of the great sports books of all time waits on next year, which I think came out in eighty seven eighty eight somewhere in that range about a year in New York sports, use a friend of Bill Goldman for forty plus years. We knew this day was coming. We just we were hoping it wasn't going to be until about two thousand forty five. Whatever the last seventy two hours been like for you. Well, first of all Bill, thanks for having me on thanks for wanting to do this the actually the decline from the end of summer until now the last month has been pretty dramatic. And I was out on a book tour last week. And I was talking to his love his unburden 'cause I would call every day to find out how he was doing. And she said, well when the soonest you can be here, and I had a like a one night gap. I was in Washington in the morning, and I was going to be in Boston the next day, and I took the shuttle up and and sat with Bill last Monday. Afternoon. And I I it Bill at that point. I couldn't believe he was still alive, and it just looked nothing like Billy. But there were still up moments where somebody say something and just he people his left hand to get the finger. So we knew we don't Bill. I our remember him for lotteries ins. But the thing that I think I liked about in the most was how much she loved the Knicks. He will he was more passionate and more life or death with them than anyone I knew in my entire life. He just he he really took it personally. And if physically pained him when they sucked what were the last twenty years for him. Like, oh my God. It was it was like he was trapped in an abusive relationship. I've been to I've been debating I'm going to be one of the speakers at the memorial service. I've been debating whether to look out into the audience at say, the Knicks did this. Okay. But you know, because you know, that, you know, this to the nineties it was okay? I mean, they didn't win a championship in the nineties, but those is close to the glory years as the blurry, here's Ben. And you know, and then it just all turns to shit. I. I was just saying Bill before we started that I I hadn't picked up an open wait till next year for a while which I do from time to time. But but here's build answering the question for you, Mr Simmons. Okay. Yeah. So why do I go? He says wait till next year if Adelie opened near my apartment that had food the gave me heartburn. What I eat there for he wants time here. The Knicks gave me heartburn. If Howard the duck was playing at my local movie theater. What I go into the year knowing the thing turned me into a lesser human being. And then he says I'm a lot lesser after Knicks game. Oh, no it's been hideous. Because, you know, you know, him, and I know him that which his winter that which is winter entertainment. He he loved the experience even when they were bad. He loved the experience of being in the garden and people don't know Bill sat under the basket for forty years. He was a friend of butchers, Bradley, and oh, no. This was so cruel that someone who loved them as much as he loved them had had to go through an Arabic has been biblical in its awfulness. I mean, they have they have one one you can't process it they won one playoff series since two thousand. It's a game than anybody in the Brecon sport. And guess who is their forty one times a year the guy who called himself little Billie Goldman of Highland Park. Illinois, yet, wasn't it. It was fifty years. Wasn't that thought it was back to like nineteen sixty eight. Oh, yeah. No. I I don't have any actually got the gut the behind the bat. Yeah. Because he was there when the Carmelo fight happened in oh six it was like Ray day almost like crashed into him. Right. I always liked it him. There's this generation of New York sports fans who were old enough to remember when the Knicks were bad. And then when they became good with the Willis teams and revered those teams, and it was like basketball the way it should be played. They finally took the torch from the Celtics, and they just kept waiting for that to come back. And now we're talking forty five years, but it was almost his generation, which you know, obviously, people are starting to die off from there. But that age from like, I'm going to say sixty five to ninety is one of the most tortured fan bases. We have right, and he stayed with them, and he stayed with them. And then he got rewarded with the Patrick teams that went to the finals twice in the ninety. And and, you know, Bill, you know, that in those years, even though they never won and even know Tories Yankees came along in the second part of the decade. Nobody in town felt the Yankee season started. Well, the Knicks season ended they would that, you know, they had recaptured that that, you know, everybody talks about Trump's base now somehow against all odds, there's still a Nick base. I I don't I don't quite understand it anymore, but it held and so, you know, Billy Goldman had to think of that. But okay wh-. Okay. We're going to be good. And then Patrick Patrick went away. And he took the next with him. So the book he wrote what was it was ADA? Right. It was about the eighty cents off season ear. We wrote about it came out in eighty two the year. We wrote about with nineteen eighty-seven, Ryan, New York sports, and the Knicks were horrible. If that point match, we're still good. They were a big part of our story. 'cause that would that Dwight Gooden got suspended for on opening day. And and so and the the idea was pretty, you know, well, you know, you've been way to kind of this book for for forever. He was an all time. Classic. Well, I think it's more could they came to me. But but. It was it was a simple setup one year in New York sports seen through the eyes of a crazed fan and the eyes of account and that was that and then a whole bunch of shit happened. And so it became a way more interesting year, and now with your help all this time later, it's become kind of a cult book. Well, a lot of people, you know, without whatever my style and up becoming there were a couple writers in the eighties. Who I felt like not only did they read about sports, but they were kind of like, I could have been their friend. You know, and it was like Ray FitzGerald was like that. I think Leigh montville was like that you were like that in the eighties, and then Goldman comes in in this book. And it was like my dad was writing for the book like who is this kind of the craziest fan of ever met. And he just he threw away all the conventions of supposed to at least be balanced or biased a little bit here and went all in on the fan side. And he wrote this piece it's it's in the first like sixty pages of the book. But. Doc good and got suspended for coke. And you wrote the reporter version of it. And then he wrote the fan version, and he laid out this whole thing about, you know, the greatest athletes he'd ever seen in how that pyramid is. And how the the levels rise until you get to this last level and how good and it kinda reached that level for just a little bit. But now is gone. And now he ruined it. And he couldn't trust them again. And it leads to this whole story about Bronco gerski. And how he went to this game when Bronco nurse key was washed up and was like the seven string running back on the on the bears, but someone came in and won this game. And it's it's basically like the future of internet sports writing this one piece because he's writing from him from the fan's perspective. But with a ton of passion, and it's just different and in really stands out. And if you read it now, you're like, oh, yeah. That that that feels familiar to stuff I've read the last twenty years, but in nineteen eighty seven one thousand nine hundred eighty. It was added nowhere. There's no parallel to it. It was so you're you're one hundred percent, right. And and the girl ski for anybody who Bill Goldman it. It was this mythic figure in his life. But that I can't tell you how many times I heard him talk about that particular game one Christmas. I like searched all over and got him a framed picture of Nagorski, which was not as easy thing to do as you might think. But here's fandom you're a hundred percent, right. His fandom was pure. It was angry it was profane. But it was incredibly pure, and I found it out. I think we've talked about this. I wrote about it in the piece I wrote about him for the Boston Globe. We met on an outside court at Wimbledon in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight he had a flat in London. Bush was one of his best friends, and they were at Wimbledon one day and on the outside. I don't know if you've ever been but on the court in the early rounds, you know, what it's like, you just you get stuck. In those walkways. But nobody can see anything on the side. Cords tip. David butcher could the everything 'cause he's just tearing over the top of everybody, and he sees me. And I seen any brings out Bill. Okay. And and it's almost like Dave starts to give me bills resume as he's introducing them. And I come up, and I said, Dave, I know who this is. Okay. And I this was temple of goal Bill Goldman. It was boys and girls together. It was marathon is all that stuff. And I start babbling, and it's like an out of body experience. Then I'm actually meeting him. But Bill all he wanted to do was talk about sports. Yeah. And that day he said you have the best job in the world. And I didn't know that. They're put Bill I didn't until I met him. I didn't know that. There was decide to. Yeah. Well, you know, there's the same theme in his movie writing and in his in his sports writing. And then just just when you had lunch with them or dinner with them. He loved he loved greatness. He loves stars. He was. Saw any and it didn't. He would always talk about like brand. No is the best. He ever saw Broadway. You know will enjoy them when the two best he ever saw person. And whoever the biggest movie actor was at the time. Like, the degrees of how they could just come in the screen that was like his his his biggest obsession, and he was always like when when I got to know him, which was the mid to thousands. He was really fascinated by LeBron. And when they're LeBron was going to reach that. And it was LeBron versus Jordan. But from a different aspect. He was just like is he gonna reach the point where I'm going to be at MSG watching him the same way I felt like when I saw Brando on Broadway's he can be that good. And he just looked at differently. And I I was that was one of the things I was found the most interesting about him, and you Bill from all your lunches and dinners with him. You know, when we would get into the discussion of the greatest and he he loved watching Jordan and later on. Luck will was his guy. Yeah. We'll we'll head. When when I could not win a debate with him that Michael Jordan or anybody was greater basketball player, the Wilt Chamberlain had been he he he he he was he loved willed. I again, he loved that the spectacle of will that and and he's right about one thing. Maybe American sports has never produced. Anybody quite like will Chamberlain a right? And and but don't you think now because I've I've made this comparison before I don't know if we've ever talked about this before there's a will like quality to LeBron even though he's not as big as well. Okay. That that a lot of people still don't love LeBron even though he you know, what happened in Cleveland the second time around. But I think there was something about wilt that kind of flawed genius that drew Bill to him. And then drew him to LeBron later on. Yeah. They have the same kind of physical. Overpowering. You catch them on the Ray? And it just feels like they're just running through the other guys. And I and I think you know, that was one of the big arguments. We would have was well versus Russell because I was always amazed that he didn't that he wasn't on Russell side. But the Russell versus will thing, and it was in congress to all the other things he cared about in sports. But he was just kind of kind of blown away by Wiltz physicality, and he signed in person, I didn't so, but he was just like look will was the grazed athlete who ever played basketball till Jordan. And it was like when you saw him in person. There was just nothing like him. So he was always approaching from that angle. I was always looking at it like, whoa, everyone from that era would rather put Russell. So that has to mean, suddenly, there was a great argument. Hey, I told one of his favorites. I told him what became one of his favorite stories about wilt, and I knew wilt in his later years. I'd have you know, I didn't see him play in person, right? Like that. And I flew out to LA one time to do an Esquire pace on wilt. So I got to go to the house. Okay. Which if you were kid growing up where we grow up in America will Chamberlain house the BelAir house. Yeah. That was just for sale. And there's still there all these photos of a and they kept it intact. It's amazing. I can't believe you went to it. I got I got he gave me the full tour. Okay. And the front door which was like the front door to a cathedral. It was that big. And then he took me into the master bedroom with a bed Bill. It looked like you could land Air Force One. Okay. What's happening? But finally, we come to a room that it's all waterbed and all mirrors all on merit, okay? And outside there's a little plaque. That says the do it wrote. Wow. Little Mike Lupu of Bishop girton high school, national Hampshire stupidly looked up at him and said. Why do you call it? The do it round now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just look the minute. It just gotta be all your little little, man. That a serious question. She'll Bill Bill couldn't believe Bill. Goldman did I had actually gone to the house? So that gave me like even more street cred as a sports guy with Goldman, you know, one of the great things about his writing. I started reading him the New York magazine column that he had when you would write about movies, which I think was like somewhere around the late eighties. And I was right around the time. I read the book you did with him. And then I read the adventures in the screen trade. And and then I read the season, which was read people still think it's probably the greatest book about Broadway ever written on my shelf. Yeah. Bill, you know, if you read it, it, it's just you can see everything that adventures in the screen trade. It's the best book ever about Broadway. I think the thing that kept jumping out with him. And was a really good lesson for me as a writer was he he went all in on whatever he thought and. And he tried to do a fairly us if he was very critical. He explained all the reasons for it. He tried not to be vicious about it. But was just like this is how I feel. I'm not holding back. I feel this way about this actor this movie. I mean, one of the legendary thinks he wrote was he just annihilated saving private Ryan in the late nineties. Oh God and Nikki costume the account. I swear to God it costs them best picture that year where to God. He did. He and you read it, and you're like, these are some great points. Like, he he's he's really fired up for some reason. But it is kind of the best possible version of the internet take that as now we've were on twenty plus years of, but he basically just picks apart the movie and after you're done with it. You're like, oh, yeah. This this movie can't win the Oscar Anne ruined it. But I was always amazed that he was able to keep that edge as he became this really successful screenwriter who was by nineteen seventy six was considered the greater. Screenwriter ever lived. But still was able to keep that edge. How did he keep the edge? I you know, what I here's your right? You know, there was a great definition of of acting wanted May- probably half apocryphal attributed to Spencer, Tracy said, you know, I walk in. I try not to bump into furniture. I plant my feet, and I tell the truth that was Billy Goldman it. 'cause you know, he was a sweet man he was banned. But but I mean, you go back to the season read what he wrote about Clive Barnes, the theater critic of right or times. He just dropped a safe on them. And but he if if he thought he was being honest, he didn't he never confused. He never made the distinction between meanness and honesty, if he was telling the truth about something whether it's about the Knicks or a movie or Stephen spills Spielberg or sports, whoever he was writing about at the time. He remembering the season, he wasn't very nice to might nipples. The the young Knight Nichols. And so it was always fascinating to me that to listen to him just talk about the movies in particular because he had no filter, as you know, you know, he was legendarily profane will freer who directed misery on Broadway three years ago said that they would try to imitate how he swore and the creative places that he would put buck before an F worth and nobody nobody could possibly duplicate. I the joke in our family because my kids grew up with Bill is that he he taught my four children how to swear. Oh, wow. That's great yet. He he he also the way he wrote about stars and pick them apart. And did it in a way that I don't feel like anybody has ever done it before because he worked with them. And he knew how vain they were any knew how much trouble they could be a movie. Some of the stuff you wrote about Redford and on the president's men who Redford tried to get his revenge forty years later with the history of the whole thing, which then immediately got the bunked, but the stuff you're about that or Michael Douglas deciding that he was going to be the lead in the ghost in the darkness and Goldman Goldman China throw his body in front of it. But Michael Douglas. He couldn't resist being the lead. And he just was miscast. But I I've never read anybody. Kind of not be critical stardom, but just kind of expose it for what it is in. How can go wrong in so many ways, right? Hey, remember, the line in adventures in the screen trade, and I'm paraphrasing here he said stars or exactly the same as the rest of us to get up in the morning. They put their clothes on that come at the end of the night to take the close up to get into bed. The only difference is in between. Nobody ever says. No to them, the greatest it's like, the greatest definition of stardom I've ever heard, and he was always steadfast in this. I would say who had the best big stars you ever worked with. And he said Numan and Clint Eastwood he never had a bad word to say about either one of them, he rank and with no men and later on when he did absolute power he'd loved working with Clint Eastwood, and he hated Dustin Hoffman because on marathon man, Hoffman tortured Laurence Olivier who is you know, kind of starting to fail a little bit any insisted on additioning for rehearsing for an hour with the live. VA standing, and he could see how much pain alleviate was in. But kept the going as some sort of competitive one up manship and Goldman was just out. Skewered Hoffman for the rest of eternity in anything. He wrote because of that one one moment, so it was pretty funny. How he could hold grudges. Now, you know that there's there's a whole generation of Americans because of that movie that he ruined going to the dentist alma guys at its. It's it it showed you the brilliant, by the way that book marathon, man, I I'm constantly going off tangent. Because this guy was my writing hero. That's a perfect thriller yet as good as the movie was from the opening scene a car game a cart chicken between an old Jewish guy in an old German guy on the upper east side. And you thinking what the hell is going on here? Okay. And not knowing that it was going to set up the rest of the book, but the beauty of Bill Goma was that without any, you know, guns or knives or anything a dentist drill became the greatest weapon of mass destruction. Ever when Olympia gets Hoffman in the chair and keeps asking him. Is it safe? All my God. Oh my God. That was such a thrill for him. Because Livia was like one of the greatest the I think he said he was him and Brando or the where the pantheon for him for for actors, and then he also loved ROY Scheider. I remember we went to lunch wins. And we talked about ROY Scheider for like an hour about Ray shiners career in why he wasn't a bigger star than you was and how he compared to the other guys, and what role could have pushed him to 'nother. You know? It's just that. When you when you had meals on them. That's it was almost like doing podcast all the time. You're just going these tangents and all of a sudden you're talking about Russia shatter for an hour is foods coming and I mean, how many meals did you have with him over the years? Like, I I don't know if it was it was certainly hundreds. And I'm so glad you bring up ROY Scheider Bill. Roy Scheider really lucky enough to get to to be friends with ROY Scheider at the end of his life. And Goldman was a thousand percent right about him. You go back and look at jaws. Okay. It's good. It's dry fister. Robert Shaw was ROY Scheider is like the essential beating heart of movie. And I asked him Bill. I asked him one time. I said when did you know, we're gonna need a bigger boat. Was a great line. He said the first table read. I said it and everybody screamed they said then the next day we had another table read. And they knew what was coming. And I said it and they screamed again and at that point. I thought it might be pretty good. Oh, no. He's he's when you ask about meals. Okay. Do you have a couple more minutes? Yeah. Okay. You know, what it was like you never were allowed to pick up a check. Okay. No win further that you never did. The check never came. Never understood. How he did it where you would just be sitting. And then he would look at a union. Be legged aright was great to see, you know, be like I don't understand there. Still check. What happened check? And you you said this the other day, and you're right. You just imagined him having an account at every single great restaurant in Manhattan. I think he did. I think that's I think that's what happened. The last time. We went out to dinner was it at the end of September. He was still well enough. His I don't know. When's the last time his in addition to everything else that's happened to him with the cancer and everything his knees have been shot for you? You know, what a big guy he is. So I tend the piece I wrote about him getting built through a crowded room is like moving Nebraska. Okay. So it's a rainy night and. And Susan's park in the car. And so I got my wife Taylor's getting the table his chair ready for them. And so I asked one of the hostesses at this restaurant is could you help me help this man to the table, which she did when we got there. I went back to the hostess, and I said listen that man you just helped. Are you familiar with the Princess bride will this young woman? She's about thirty years old. She loses her shit. Okay. She she said, oh, it's my favorite book is my favorite movie, the first movie I ever saw with my now husband. So she tells the other hostess who loses her shed who tells our waitress so if the rest of the night is a Bill Goldman back. Okay. All of the illness washed away and everybody in the restaurant is they wanted to talk about Butch. They wanna talk about the it was it was fabulous. It was like watching him be young. Oh, all over again. When we're leaving the first host to says, Mr. Goldman would you sign as you wish in sign your name? So I can give it to my husband. Which Billy does. Okay. Now, the the Bill Goldman loved best is ending. We're helping them into the car. The last thing we hear his Bill say similar, I really like it here. What do we come back? Third surprised when it was funny. He's the the way he handled compliments 'cause you'd be eating dinner with them or lunch or whatever. And people would come over to him. Like, he was like, you know, Vito Corleone in the in the forties and one time we one time we're eating in like Barbara Walters came over with like whoever shoes eating with like to kind of pay respect. And it's like because he was such a good guide such a normal guy. You've for you. You'd forget that he was really really high esteem like where did he rank in like the giants of New York he had to be in the top level. Right. It was acute star. And when you were trying about him being called the greatest screenwriter forty years ago. New York magazine published a list of the top one hundred screenwriters of all time last year. And he still finished six at the nearby. Then he's eighty six years. All right. Okay. And I and I keep pointing out to people at the age of eighty four he had a play on Broadway with Laurie Metcalf and Bruce Willis when they brought misery. No, he was a lot of the obits pointed out he was the first green writing celebrity. He really was because they got into the bidding war for for Butch. And he got paid four hundred thousand dollars at the time. Which was like would I I don't know what it would be now. And and yes, but he wore that extremely well. He was extremely shy. And I discovered I I was reminded of something the other day think about this in the nineteen fifties on west seventy second street three men shared an apartment. One was John candor of candor nab, which is cabaret Chicago. And a little song called New York, New York. He's ninety one they'll sharpest attack. He was over to see Bill the other day when I was there Bill Goldman was the second member his brother, James. Goldman was the third member. All he did was right. A lion in winter and the book folly, okay? And those three young guys before when it was all ahead of them shared the same apartment and Bill they sh- they shared the same doctor at the time. And I forget the doctor's name and had a southern accent? John candor told the story the other day and later on when they'd all want either Tony's or Oscars the doctor called up. John candy said, you know, and y'all we're talking about going into show business back in the fifties. I thought you're just fucking around. We are he used to. I don't know if you did this with you too. But he was always kind of near the near the last like six seven years. He was disappointed that I wasn't ready more. And was no he was that's for sure. And we went out to Muna to lunch. I saw it was one of the years. I was doing I was doing the TV show that countdown show the the pregame postgame show and it had like I had like four or five jobs. And I was just I was completely. I just took on too much completely over around. I wasn't writing that much and we went out to lunch. And he's like what's going on with you. Why aren't you writing more as like, well, I'm doing this TV they wanted and I'm running grantland we have like forty five people. Now, we're doing this thirty thirty. You know? And he's like, yeah. But you're a writer. I just say, and I could tell he he was basically telling me like the TV's great. But you should really worry about the writing. I if they can fit in the TV after maybe, but but he eat we talked about it. And he was just like, look, you know, writings that fun. This is a big theme in stuffy road twos. Like sound fun. Right. Nobody said it was a good time. You state you just he would say the the the not the typewriter you're staring at the typewriter empty pay piece of paper. But he he was like like you push yourself like your great writer. You gotta right. You gotta keep up keep those fingers moving, and like probably like a month and afraid I wrote this piece that I really liked it to him. It was about this eagles documentary that really liked and sent it to him. And I was like I got the fingers going, and he's like, that's good more more say. He's just he loved it. He loved the writing medium the most as much as he liked movies. I think he he really loved reading written stuff the most at anything. So he he if I heard him say this once I heard him say it a hundred times all I ever wanted to do with tell my story. Okay. And he he couldn't believe it the day. He found out the temple of gold had been accepted. And and was was going to be published. John candor says he sat there almost in a catatonic state in the apartment that day because he didn't know how to react. And and, but he took unbelievable pride, and and and work that he knew was going to last forever all the president band. Whatever read for tried to say, it was his script and its greatest newspaper movie of all time. Butch people will be talking about Butch in one hundred years and Princess bride may be the thing that he'll be remembered Beth board. A couple of years ago one night after dinner at Susan's out on eastern Long Island that we would she had a big screen in her living room, and we'd watch movies, and my son Zach said, let's watch Bush with Bill which we'd never done. In fact, when my boys were little Bill, I can tell you this. I used to tell him that the movie ended when they went to Bolivia. So the kids when they were little they didn't get to see their asses shot off, right or on. Okay. And then one night, they they were watching it came up watched it to the end, and they all came up and glared at maintenance said dad, we wanna talk to you about Butch. And I said, well what he said it didn't end when they went to Bolivia. Did it wasn't. Oh it did. Okay. So we watch we watch Butch one night. And it was like, whoa. The director's cut or the screenwriters cut version. He's doing a running dialogue as we're watch Bill. It was so great that the first time they do a close up of Redford. He turns to my sons, and he said when this movie came out he was famous it's you or me or what did they get ready to jump at it? He one of his famous line was hush and listen he'd say hyphen, listen. Okay. And we'd say why did he go? This seems pretty fucking good. Okay. Any one of the great movie going experiences? I've ever had in my life listening to his commentary on that movie. No would have been a good. They should've put that on the DVD his director's commentary. Yeah. He he has some he wrote in adventures of screen trade about how Bush came out in the critics savaged it, and then the audience is just liked it. And I think that was like a seminal moment for him. Because the that goes back to the nobody knows anything thing, you know, he wrote for I did my MBA book in two thousand nine and I got him to read about Dave the butcher which took. I don't know twenty emails and seventeen phone calls and then him writing a draft. And then he was like a little kid. Did. I do. Okay. What else? I know. You did. It was great. I'm just gonna run is. No, no, let me do. So he did multiple drafts. And finally ended up in it. And you know, he it was just it was really sweet because at that point. And he wasn't writing ally anymore and even pumping out seven hundred words on the Bush was like a big deal for him because he just went he just kind of stopped writing. We he'd never really toured for any of the book tour is kind of a modern thing. And. Yeah. And so he'd never really toured. So now, wait till next year comes out, and we go on we go on tour together. I didn't know you did a tour. Well, yeah, I forget how many city we went to Washington Philip. I we didn't go that far. But because he he, you know, he'd always say you have to do all the talk, okay. Fine. Okay. So one night we're in Washington, and we do the old Larry King late night, syndicated radio show. Oh, yeah. Which which he did out of cr-? So we were on for the whole two hour. Okay. About an hour and Larry starts taking phone calls. And all of a sudden all these people who had never gotten to talk to him. I mean, he isn't like a moderate writing celebrity where he's you know, he's doing talk show. He he had never done anything like this. And now the calls start coming in about Butch and about the Princess bride. We finished at one o'clock in the morning, and it's eight the show is done out of some strip mall out in crystal city, Virginia we walk out and here are like a hundred people standing outside with their copies of the Princess bride waiting for us to come to the car. Wow. And it was the coolest thing. And it's like, Mr. Goldman mystical. You what Wesley said this on page thirty four. But then I. I didn't understand why you know, if you came back, aren't you ever gonna write a sequel, what about buttercup do they have an thrusting these old copies of Princess bride at him? And he was like wonderfully overwhelmed by the power of what I still think it's the best. You know, his the story that he'll be remembered best for and and we got in the car, and he said, I guess they like that storage said. Yeah kinda. Yeah. They did. It was one of the coolest things I've ever seen in my own writing life. Well, I it's weird. That's that is going to be his legacy because I think, you know, Butch at some point is gonna feel super dated already does to some degree all the president's men. You know, I think that one's gonna last because it's such great newspaper movie. But I think the difference with Princess bride is at some point every kid is gonna like that movie. You're gonna hit a point whether you're four years old five six seven eight nine ten that movie's ageless that move is going to be good one hundred years from now, and it's going to have the same impact on an eight year old that it does right now. And I think ironically, that's going to be the movie that outlives him by decades. Right. Oh, no. It's it's forever. I mean, I I mean Mandy patinkin says he doesn't go a day in his life was somebody not asking him to say. My name is Inigo Montoya my father prepared to guy or as you wish. Or right conceivable is is is part of you know, it it just it's always going to be part of the language. We were my kids, and I were going through lines of from book and the movie the other day never start a land war in Asia. It just made me laugh all. Again. It's just a ridiculously funny Goldman like line. And now Princess bride Bill always used to have this expression. You may have heard him say it when somebody would do something go, well that'll be the first paragraph of their own bed. And and I think we thought we finally find out sadly enough that that the first paragraph for him was pretty fat. You know, you. I mean, it's a lump paragraph world's greatest screenwriter world's greatest Knicks fan, and and a really good friend and somebody that was always fun to talk to an Email with and just kind of always always there and a lot of great ways. So I'm gonna miss them. You'll be at the memorial service. But I'm going to be there. I'm I I will mention I I won't try to do my whole thing here. But I he would call in the morning on the day after knick game. Okay. And we would go through what I call Goldman for play where he'd asked me how I was doing the kids Taylor. My wife. But there was only question one question that we were getting to. Yes, did you watch last night? And he was only going to talk about the next and and we had that conversation again. And again, and again and every time he sounded like a kid who had been to his first NBA game the night before. All right. Thanks for doing this. I'll see you at the memorial service. Amen. Thank you for doing this. Great to talk to you. 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In fact, I I just ran into rember and Julia Littman two seconds ago because of where I'm shooting today, and they happen to be dumble house where I was and we started talking about this. And I told them they said, you know, Bill is a long way from having recovered from this. And I said to them that we've been talking all weekend. You're not. Yeah. And I said, you know, this Bill Goldman. And as I as I said to you know, I knew Bill for a long time. But I'm not one of those people who is in his inner circle, we weren't close friends or anything like that. He was a hero to me. And the fact that I got to spend time with this hero of mine. But he took the time to take me in my creative partner Tatum. Lean-to two lunches and was there to answer questions at the beginning of our career. He was a marketable guy and his work as it was for you Bill. It's worked just meant so much to me and generations at screenwriters figured out. How to be screenwriters because it Bill Goldman's example. And and you know, I know what he meant to you. Because the other thing is right as Knicks think about somebody who does into areas, right? The book Qian Luca wrote together, the book Goldman wrote about Broadway, originally, we and then the way he wrote about the next and talked about these things keeping them in a way that nobody else did he didn't would've vernacular that was conversational and air you died at the same time. And he was on he as hell and Nobody's Fool, and you know, was as I say at a man, just a great example of the way to live a creative life, and and and a life that involve a lot of giving back others trying to do it. And as an artist he was kind of unsurpassable as screenwriter. Yeah. We. Loop gun. I talked about you know, where how he was one of the great living New Yorkers beluga was friends with them for forty years in probably the Cy heartburn is eat objectively. He's little older than you to would as you're growing up. Just to have somebody like that take you to lunch. That's gotta be. Is there anybody else as a New Yorker that would that would have a bigger impact? I can't imagine. Right. No. I mean getting to look, you know, we talk about the knee, and we reference we've reference Goldman's work in all of our stuff in some way, and which can Butch Cassidy and Sundance kid or mentioned twice and billions over the first few seasons. Yeah. You know, that movie was huge Princess bride with the biggest thing ever to us. And all the president's men is like the best movie ever made talking about a guy in his books for his books were great. But, you know, Bill when I connect to you what I felt was like this these two guys who were in some way enacted and needed to be connected. And the funny thing was Goldman was not internet savvy at that time, you know, eighty seven when he died this week. And and I remember printing you, and I had talked somehow just before that I knew how much you meant to you. And so I printed out what I thought were like five or six of your column, but he would really big, and I drop them off at the Carlyle where we live by told him. I was doing it. And then he called me up, and he said all right introduced me to the kid. And then I got out of the way and let you guys do your thing. But didn't you just find him to be the sharpest like, you would tell him a story and the way that he would be able to take it apart and understand it like the brain that guy had him a life that he lived, you know? Yeah, I was always amazed especially when he hit his eighties. There wasn't a lot of decline. You know, he he did the decline was more physical like you. You know, when you when you'd have lunch with them you'd see them walking down the street. He's seemed like a really old guy. And then when you actually sat down with them as he was a sharp as attack who's falling everything sportswise, movie wise, I finally dragged them we're gonna play it later in this podcast. But I dragged him on to podcasts. One was in two thousand eleven one was two thousand fourteen and both times it was like basically kicking and screaming he came on. And then was great and could. Talk about anything and was like just somebody who could have been on my podcast one hundred times. But yeah, when you would go to when we would go to long for them star. You were saying, you know, go. Go to launch them even them. Sometimes we bring another screenwriter law because someone would hear we were going, and we would say do you wanna come? We'd ask Bill, and then you get to hear Kim describe the life of the screenwriter the ideal life of of what it meant. And you know, how these directors were idiots Neave actors work and you'll handle outta hand. It was an incredibly high calling which was really inspiring the young when you're asking about the young being thirty two after our first movie and Tony dealer. So fine introduced Tony Gilroy. Do us the gold, right? Tony Gilroy, Richard Rodney, Scott, Frank, Scott, Rosenberg David count. You know, the the the giants who came right before like the real giant amounts? Green writing they all considered themselves like Goldman manatees. He was the guy who taught what it meant to be a screen writer and Tony introduced that to me one day. You wanna go to Goldman? Like bucket me. And the four of us went to Canada glued, which is his spot. Where see when it's all the time in January two great restaurants for wrote about this on NCIS earned. You'll Goldman would never I'm sure you at the spirit of Russia them. He would never let you pick up the tab ever keep it always have someone there who wanted to cook something special look different off of it. You could be treated everybody, credibly. Well, he was sort of curiosity you find out like the chef in this restaurant, and he would make it a point. I think that person he was gracious gracious man to talk about an artist a little bit. Yes. Even you got into it. No, let's do it. There's almost no screenwriter born polential edge just in or even if you'd never met any of those people nice to all of us when you think about what he created Butch Cassidy kid, you could say he really created the Bader movie character in that. Movie the movie characters kind of self aware aware of you thirty at the situation, it's not fully meta. But it's close in on the Ryan or son. It's while in the serious situation movie that not kind of death and carnage and sadness that picture tone. He struck I believe you can find that's the root of like all the moderate, movie wise cranking hotter movie characters who came after they were in serious situations. But those guys didn't take themselves too seriously. And I would bet you don't go through the day without quoting push Cassidy, whether you realize it or not, I know I quote that movie pretty much every day in my life, and some little way there's some learn from it so moment from it that that happens. You know, you look at at the captain Ross character at the way that the dynamic between those three guys took place, you know, lines. I keep thinking it's what you're good at all that stuff that just. Continues to be echoed the same dude wrote the greatest modern suspense movie. And I thought man wrote the most romantic funding all the time in the Princess bride, and it's hard to find anybody's body of work that really equals it in its variety, and then level of execution. So we could argue his best was maybe you know, one could make an argument about mad at its best. But Bamut did one thing really it was able to do everything. And I'm not even mentioned Isra with greatest movie made the second best probably movie made out of a Stephen King. Right. And when somebody and Oscar, yeah. And so when you when you think about it, and then also he would write the other way that he gave everyone education. Right. So yes, I was lucky to have written, Dave. And I were to write a movie at got us in in show business that then Tonio we're introduced us to Bill. Not even if you didn't know Bill he wrote those books, so not just adventures in the screen trade, which anybody who's interested in Hollywood has to read, but all those other books, which lied I tell all the books about in talking to studio people about him figuring out what it meant was a road map for all of them. So, you know, misery. You're interested misery yougov and tell the story of how he almost had Warren Beatty, and how it ended up being drive it in a way that puts you right in his chair as they're making that movie and its applicability in all sorts of of different ways. I mean, she was so generous of spirit in that. He would learn a lesson. He was live it he would succeed, and he would share the over and over you share that with his readers. And then, you know, you know, each other at the Knicks games all the time. And and for me, it was reassuring an incredible thrill every before I knew him. And then when I knew him when when he and I. Would shake hands admit game, which happened a lot. I in no matter what I would turn to stand a quasi. Go. Can you believe that's Bill Goldman? And here I never stop being remarkable to me that was built Goldman and I got to shake his hand. And he got to go sit there, and we got to watch our together. Yeah. Those fi his five best movies are five months famous movies. I guess were Butch Butch and Sundance all the president's men. Marathon-man misery Princess bride, which are five movies that don't really have anything in common. Right. I and so when you're talking about the world's greatest screenwriter. He wrote five completely different movies that were in different genres, basically and we're executed completely differently from one another. And I think that's why. So I don't know who the greatest screenwriter is. But he's in the conversation, and that's his biggest Trump card. Wait, no doubt. He's in the conversation. I think the one thing that what I think goes by the other. He's there's a sense of humor running through all of them. Yeah. Every one of those movies has an incredibly funny moments or two that cut the drama and even Princess bride, which is a comedy. But all of those movies are the stakes are incredibly high, but you are laughing and join yourself as you're watching it he you are rolling along. And and last thing while you're caught in the middle of it, you know, and book very few people ever up better dialectic than William Coleman. Right. I mean when you think about the dialogue when? You think about is it safe? I mean that was his book he wrote the book, and then he wrote the movie marathon man, would which has if it safe, and and the things in his movies, they feel like the just been around forever. Like Bill think about Bush, Kathy thinking about every one of those scenes think about the scene the duel between palm and and thinking about when he looks at at Sundance, and he goes when this is over if I'm dead Kalem and Redford says love to I mean, there's no way that I mean if you look at even just our work. There's no way that Mike and worm talk to each other like they've been around or is it gets done. It's get thing with action. Chuck, it's it's just it's an, and I think that that's just the smallest example. And I think it's basically an all the movies that came after. Yeah. I don't know. I don't want to. I don't wanna say he created the whole buddy cop buddy frenemy type thing because it would have happened. It's not like it never would have trickled into movies. He. This is the first one did it, you know, Butch and Butch and Sundance before that. I don't know that's the prototype for basically every single buddy cop movie, we've ever had every sort of these two people are frenemies. And we're not sure if they're going to get along, but they need each other even like accent, Chuck where it's like enemies who become friends air loyalty, put the loyalty, the Bush and Sunday have had reach other, you know, one with taciturn and the other was a big talker. And the way in which that. The report between them happened the way in which that repartee happened Yemen. It's been echoed how does people weapon exist? If there's not a Bush cast new kid. I don't I don't see it. Sure brother movies before that looked there with a road movies that thin Crosby and Bob Hope people always had, but they weren't what he did. He took to kind of anti hero guys and put them in this situation. They were two guys who were criminals, and who, but he he made them. He made you understand why they were there for gave them flaws. That's boulder movie characters didn't have when you had to have a more traditional hero. And he let them he let them do their thing on on the screen. And as I said emitted incredibly funny big loss. It's a big loss to the culture and a big loss. Anybody who who knew a man and as a Nick fan a big loss. Knock knicks. I I was saving some of the next up for you. I'd I'd won last screenwriter type question though. Who's like the Yoda now that he's gone 'cause he really was like screenwriter iota there for twenty plus years. So is does that person even exist now? I mean, listen Gilroy is a lot of answers Gilroy knows a lot and didn't know the kinds he meant toward women mentor. But certainly, you know, I mean David kit, like if Lavina were are wondering about something tricky, you know, general slightly now that we're over fifty. We're not really calling that much, but we would call David Chen. Or are we would call devroy? If if Bill Goldman wasn't around there are guys like that. But they were trained by Bill most, right? Most of those people were trained we're trained by Bill. All right. The knicks. So he he. You know, Luke Kuhn. I talked about how there's a certain generation a Knicks fan who was there in the sixties. When Russell is just killing them every year. And then all of a sudden had these glory years in the seventy and seventy three but that whole run, and then we're kind of hoping it would come back, and then Bernard's there for a little bit. It's fun. Go seven games against the salads. That dies. Ewing comes in finally have this Riley as the savior, to-to-to them. Jay a couple of times very close to beating Akeem then the feud the Miami and the Pacers could never get through the nineties with the title, but it was still relevant every year. And and then this century comes in the Knicks die, and they have basically other than two thousand thirteen an entire century of just complete misery and unfortunately for him. This was the last twenty years his life. You're trying to kill a second front. Here's with their. Belt. Why not enough? He he wanted it so bad. He wanted to see them be good again. And it just didn't happen. And you know, now you look at the Stephanie like fuck James Dolan, just killing off Knicks fans. Now, you know where we're talking about twenty years of it. Oh through so glad you're butter out Dolan. Yes. Look, here's the thing. You would go to the games and more my seats are just looked to my left and down. And there was Bill and something is not. Yes, everything you just said is true. He did get to see the glory years. He did live the pain addict. But what's amazing is when you think about the kind of hand that Bill Goldman was oh, I'm so glad I just use that word, which I'm sure Luebeck used. There was nobody who routed harder for your most people in Hollywood root for stuff to fail. All bill. Wanted was your stuff to do. Well, he was a great sort of home team fan. So if you were in his orbit at all, you got a letter when your movie came out, you got a call. You got this guy, you could tell telling people the movie was good and had spirit was there for the next two. Yes, you picked on you know, shit or whatever. But boy did he want the next to great. And you know, when at times when I would like walk away. He. Couldn't walk away. He would still go. He would still go and still believe that it was possible. But listen, it's very Princess bride character like right to believe that the miracle somehow possible to believe that the evil can be overcome because make no mistake Doan is close to prince Humperdinck. So. Yeah. But Bill have going and whenever they win. There'll be a lot of who think of fail in and raise a glass come on, you know, because he was stalwart, man. He really stalwart. He was really there. I think picture because I'm sure you can I know exactly where he's that. I know exactly what he looked like if you took the seat. I'm not kidding around. I would stare at him during the game, dude. I would look over would see how he was taking it. I'd seen there with Susan his wife and ours girlfriend one time like as life. I would look you Susan partnering life, you know. And I would see Susan sitting there with them. And I would look at the toll that it was taking when we saw. And then when we'd get a decent enough. Sentimen Email I checked in twenty thirty twenty two seven I found one I sent twenty thirteen and I was like I wrote I just want to write you one note while we're winning. L because moved constantly just going back and forth on shady we. Yeah. I went back. I searched for his name because I was trying to see how far back my emails on with them. And it only went back to two thousand thirteen because misty Baena will. But but he had this whole stretch after they lost the in round two to the Pacers where he was slowly realizing that it was going back to being miserable again. And just each one was like. Was like, I just read your basketball book. Again. That's the only thing that makes me feel good about basketball right now, despair. And just he he was so anguished by the fact that they are bad. I really I've never met anybody. Even my dad who is just a maniac with sports. I've never met anybody. Who is who is more wrecked by team? He's really like emotionally wrecked by them. And it's a bummer that it didn't get better. I I'm bummed out about it. I mean, he had the years he did out of those who seasons where they won. But I agree. And look man, I think, you know, what's great about what you were there that he had you in the world talking about basketball has been a comfort in a way that he could you know? And we need a lot of people. Yeah. It was laterite is that I think he he liked. I mean, he truly best true. Yeah. True. Best friendship, you know. And I feel so bad for my. I mean, I I I talked to Mike and Scott Frank, but they build I just didn't tell any to to say how sandwich because you know. These are the people that Bill was in beta caravan they were with him. You know, loop would never say it about himself really everything loofah put in huge time for years and years and years looking after Bill and Troy you'll Mike have such tough guy image, but Microsoft, the actually two people he cares about. And I mean, he gave everything he could to taking care of looking after and be an effort for Goldman that I was always touched by that. And you I love Luke, Luke air pal. So yeah, it's it's funny. Like, I think back to when I got to know him who was during the Isaiah era, and we're we're gonna run pieces of two different podcasts that did with him at the end of this podcast eleven and fourteen and in the two thousand eleven when they had just gotten Carmelo and he was so excited because he had just gone to the game where Carmella had one in the garden was alive again. And I think that's he just wanted that again. And it just goes to show you in sports is I'm having a great run right now sports. I obviously in in you know, I definitely appreciate every minute of it. You never know. And it's going to turn and if you'd told any Knicks fan and then in the late nineteen ninety s you guys are going to be terrible for the entire twenty first century up through two thousand eighteen eat. Nobody would have believed that it was inconceivable. What we hit? We have more money than just about anybody people wanna play here. What what do you mean? We're going to be terrible is inconceivable and it still inconceivable. I don't get it. Well, I I'm supposed to say you're not using that word correctly on our Goldman. But the truth is, you're you're using it correctly. It was inconceivable that thinking about the fact that you can never use the word inconceivable without thinking of Bill Goldman and the Princess bride, right? Blake literally that's the influence, but that guy I mean, there's I'm telling you there's a million of those things catch for that. So while we're there are things that you say in your regular life that just go back to Goldman's work. It's so a permeates the culture, man. And and we'll all I think the actor will only continue to grow like Preston third just or something like, I think be were alive. When a true giant was alive. And we both got to know him, which is really incredible. I thank you for introducing to me now, I can let you go back to the billion set what season for your in the middle of it in the middle of season four, look, I'm sure, you know, we'll talk more about billions. I just wanna ask one question though, today or tomorrow it's going to mall Tuesday. Yeah. So oh, so okay. Just the night. I've never been more excited for an NFL game and probably three years than I am night's game. I just wanna know who you think's gonna win. Oh, the chiefs ramps. I I actually I think the chiefs are going to cover, and I think it's gonna be a three point game. And if I had to bet on a win like whatever the best value bet is I'd been on the chiefs chiefs. Yeah. I don't think it's going to be you think it's going to be thirty seven third like is it going to be just a points explosion? Yeah. Like, a forty three to forty and I don't think the Rams will ever be able to stop the chiefs would would be my so hard from really rooting from. He's he's Graham Steph curry tomorrow. Hey, man, Bill for real, you know, told ya to tell you that. To tell you that he died, and and I do know that you, you know, you meant to them, and I do know that you really gotta let the friendship of you. So I know the same with you too. Thanks. But it's really cool that you're doing this this podcast about him. What a great what a great thing and a nice tribute. Because of how much you know, sports and writing about sports meant the Goldman. So it's really cool, and you and I speak over the next couple of days. I'm sure I appreciate the time. Sad levin. Okay. Take care. I talked to shop fantasy in a second. But first if you've been thinking about getting this SimpliSafe home security system, but you've been waiting for the holidays when on tech deals come out you made a smart move right now. I can get you a great deal on SimpliSafe if you go to SimpliSafe dot com slash B S, you'll get twenty five percents off any new system. What an amazing deal the really do anything. Like this. The drainage is for us. Simplisafe is great protection for your home and family that don't make you sign a contract. No hidden fees. Throw us again, great reviews. See net PC magwar cutter all say, SimpliSafe the best curious system. There is if you look for a security system on a great deal. Go to SimpliSafe dot com slash b s to save twenty five percent. Make sure to use that unique. URL? It really helps out the show once again that his SimpliSafe dot com. Slash B S. Hurry. The deal ends November twenty sixth. Editor in chief of the ringer chief content officer shot fantasy. Hey, bill. You named your podcast the big picture. Yes. Seems relevant. Yeah. I mean, that's that's one of one of William Goldman's books. That was it's it's more of a collection. It's not one of the quote unquote classics, but it was one that I found in the ninety s and was really influenced by yes. So I'm I'm older than you. So I remember reading those New York magazine pieces when they're coming out in real time. There was there was some great getting in the mail stuff when you know between that and spy magazine and sports Australians. Really Snyder back then where? And I think premier magazine might have been might have one of that, sir. Like ninety ninety one early nineties. There was you've got the mailbox you'd be like, oh, I wonder if this is coming today, but near magazine every week, you knew it was coming and you're hoping for that Goldman movie column, and then it would be you never known as coming. He's like a cat. Sometimes you jump on your lap. It's really, hey, it's a gold McCollum. I've seen people say since he passed away that many editors over the years have tried to get him to write this column since he stopped doing that one, and you know, to make him more of a regular contributor because he had this like that classic columnist voice. And if you've so familiar, and who so fun to read, and you always felt like you had a little bit more information than you. You know that you're like, oh, man. How do you know that like, that's what's great about? Clint eastwood. Yeah. So yeah. But he never really did it after that. I mean do intermittently he would write things, but he never was a consistent magazine columnist. I don't think you know, this. I tried to get him for Graylan. Really? Yeah. To to do the same thing. Yeah. In fact, one of the. Podcasts for running. I think is from like March two thousand eleven and one of the reasons I had him come on. He'd never really wanted to come on. But I made them come on this one time. I was like I need you the Knicks just gone Carmelo and is the Oscars as come on if you ever coming on this time. So it came on. He was great. But I've secretly hoping he would come on. And a lot of people would tell him how Grady was and he would make him kind of want to rate for. Because we were launching it three or four months later. I was like just beer move agai redo do that New Yorker near column and. You know, and sadly, I know this feeling too. Well, at this point, he just didn't wanna do it. Because he didn't know if he was going to be consistently. Good anymore. Yeah. The the easiest thing in the world to do is not right. You know, that's and as hard to right? And I'm sure even though he had written so much and had been told so many times what genius. He was you still have that in that fear that you're not gonna be able to do it. He had more anxiety and fair. And that was also great at writing about it. Yeah. And that was one of the things just as a writer. I think a lot of us identified with how tortured he was by the process need career almost got derailed by writer's block for for four five years. Something like that. Yeah. I mean, he also doesn't have a ton of credits in the eighties. He doesn't have a ton of movies produced. I've always been fascinated by. And I wonder if any of this stuff will start to come out. I mean, he not only did he work as a script doctor, and or quote, unquote consultant on a lot of movies over the years, especially in the nineties like few good, men and. Ghost in the darkness and stuff like that. But he's got so many screenplays that are just unproved and books. They're like little snatches of those screenplays where he's kind of talking about what's happening in this movie that he was writing but never made. Yeah. What was that one? He wrote where he said the the producer in the studio head. They just hated each other. And it it just like, and it was his thing. He really loved and he thought it was going to be a big deal. And it was just like no that's never going to MIT how I don't know. It was one of the books, and I there's also just so many like he thought year, the comet which is this really fascinating movie from the early eighties was going to be like one of his biggest hits. It was the thing. He was the proudest of. And it's like maybe the biggest bomb he's made in his career. So like, my mom likes it though. So that's all that matters, your mom, loves wine. No, no. It's the only way. Never had another one. Maybe we should write a one movie Bill. But yeah, I mean, so even the things that you think are going to be incredible don't work as well. And he had this incredible sense of being able to write about that. After the fact and explaining why something didn't work the takes like a unique kind of humility. But also, you could sense that he really had some like gusto some swagger to really cool combination of person really jumped off the page in that wrote about their life. Nobody was ever more in your wheelhouse than him. I mean, he's just very installation ex and move is. Yeah. But also like you came to him. You're, you know, you're a little older than me and the way that you received him in you saw movies in the seventies. Like, I wasn't seeing movies in the seventies. And so I I he was very conic by the time. I got a chance to figure out who he was. So he literally was heroic to me the way he did stuff. But then as time went on, and especially when you started to kind of expose the kind of person that he was he started to really feel like just a guy. I knew the guy I wanted to hang out with. But like a guy I grew up with like, my dad's friend or something. Yeah. And that has such a powerful. And then you start to realize why you like the people that you like to. It's like, of course, the guy who like light loves the Knicks probably would want to hang out in a deli for two hours and like bullshit about I don't the outlaw Josey Wales. Like, that's that's exactly the kind of person. I want to hang with you wrote. You wrote a really good piece about him on Friday. And you wrote that he was kind of this. He tied to old school New York, which you caught or would you call gruff New York? Yeah. He was like almost like cheerlead gruff, you know, you'd be like harsh, but nice like it was like Walter Matthau. I know China's graph. Yeah. String Colorado place. Yeah. New York's gone or live there for many years. But when I go back now at that's not the experience, I have it's very it's a cliche to say. But it's very, shiny, enrich inexpensive. And it it just it feels like a slightly different city, which is in maybe two nostalgic thing to say, but he he is an embodiment of my at least my idea of that. Yeah. Who who's the Yoda? Now, I asked Koppelman this and he just listed seven people. But that's kind of one of the things that died here. The the movie yoda's is gone. And I don't know who replaces it, and then maybe nobody does. Well, what do you mean when you say that you mean like the genius screenwriter? Do you mean the person who pulls back the curtain a little bit all that stuff? Like every writer who wanted to. Wanted to write movies at some point if Goldman had reached out to them or they cross pass them. And Goldman said something like I liked your movie. That's probably the best compliment. You could get from anybody who was involved in movies. I would think. Yeah. You're probably right. You know, I don't know who that is now in the in the deadline story about his his passing. There's this incredible story. That's been told many times about experience he had going to a screening of silence of the lambs, and he didn't know Jonathan Demme, but he was invited before the movie came out to a friends and family screening in goes to the movie goes home next morning picks up his phone calls. Jonathan Demme out of the blue Jonathan's Bill Goldman, I wanna talk. I have some thoughts about your movie Johnson dummies elated. He calls him back on my God Bill Goldman Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid, you're such a hero of mine, which you think of the movie bull Goldman's like this movie is amazing. You didn't incredible job with it. And have one note there's a scene in the movie where you have. Jack Crawford get fired and Cleary's get taken off the case. It's in the third act. That's just like a classic third act exposition dump you don't need that just cut it out of the movie. This is the friends and family screening. He had seen it at the movies pretty much locked Demi goes back to his editor they sit down. And he tells the story that Bill Goldman told him, and he's like shit is this right? He's like, well, we it doesn't matter. The movies lost. We can't change it. Then like, let's just cut the scene and see how it plays without the scene. So the cut the scene they run the movie again, and they're like holy shit. Goldman was right. That's incredible. And now that seemed we've never seen before because it's not in the movies. So we don't even really know what he's talking about. But he had that ineffable quality of just kind of knowing. What was right? The story. I don't think there's anybody right now that does that. And you'd think with Twitter and social media the way that we have at there'd be a lot more kind of like behind the scenes slash expertise sharing. I can't think of a screenwriter, you know, you'd think like the Judd appetizer Aaron Sorkin of the world people who are thought to be really great at. This would would have that kind of reputation. Honestly, a person who's pretty close to getting into that stuff. And he's pretty young is very Jenkins. Who is unafraid to be like, here's what it's like to make a movie. Yeah. You know, he'll show you the particulars of certain choices that he makes them why? But it's not that same like avuncular wiseguy thing that that Goldman had. Who do you think? I mean who'd he couple medium and say, I can't even imagine. He's there's no answer. Yeah. Yeah. I think. Somebody. He had the weight of he was the world's greatest screenwriter are one of them. So he could say whatever he wanted. He was right more often than he wasn't. And and people always he had the reputation of his heart was in the right place, and he also failed and I think that's important to like he had real success, and then real failure. And then he came back again. And kind of you know, he was all these different iterations. It was so interesting to see people writing about him to over the weekend and just about how he was if he wants to be the great American, novelist. Yeah. You know, and the fact that he wrote so many novels. I mean, he really like twelve novels most of which are not very well known her well read with these option of the Princess bride and to imagine having that entire phase of your professional creative career. And then to just go on and do something different. And he went onto something different. And did that second thing or maybe even that third thing better than anybody ever. Did it? He's he didn't like six. Books by the time. He wrote Butch Cassidy. It's coppa. My talk about how he wrote his his most famous five movies are completely different from one. What's where does he never wrote a sports movie? And it's like he kept the two worlds, and maybe he did. And we just never saw. But he kept us two worlds separate from each other. Yeah. And I mean maverick and that goes on the darkness or kind of like competition movies. Yeah. They're not traditional sports movies. Yeah. You're right though. He didn't that's weird. And he was obviously such a sports guy. What's his basketball movie? I don't know. It's it. It's probably like a way better version of Eddie. Oh. I would watch that. I would watch anything. You would write the craziest thing about this to me is just that we launch your movie podcast like what three weeks ago called the big picture? And then just randomly. We did all the president's men two weeks ago, and we talked about Goldman in that thing about the experience he had on this. And we did a whole golden section. And I they kept a pretty interrupts. I I knew canoe. He wasn't in the greatest shape. I could tell I didn't know. I'd never knew things that shifted like the did. But though, the timing of it. I was I was just kind of flabbergasted by and then it's it's it's like anything else. The one thing I learned from this whole thing is like check in with people every once in a while. 'cause you get you know, we're doing a million things months pass. And you think you know, it goes from June to soup temblor to November new just kind of forget to check in. I know six months ago, we talked about him. Just randomly just the way that we would. And you were kind of wistful about it. You're like shit. I haven't talked to him. And you know, I want to catch up with him. I wish you would come on the podcast, and you have that same feeling about a person to you know, he's just you just see mild. I'll I'll get them next week. And then all of a sudden knee. You've forget as as the Knicks fan part of this whole thing the album, I talked about it. Isn't the other crazy sort of faded aspect of the story and everything that's happened in his passing is? And I don't want this to seem frivolous. But I think that they're find the team is finally doing what we all wanted them to do for twenty years, and I throw it away away from the best players. And I think that there has to be some small part of building. There was appreciating that you know, that was saying like thank God the wounds of the Ewing era are beginning to heal. And the team finally sees that you need a kind of a process to to become whole again, do you believe his theory that one of the reasons he was able to look at the movie industry with such discerning? I was because he was in New York. And I definitely yeah. And I don't think that necessarily moving here would have changed that if he had lived here for forty years, but I do think that there is a cynicism and a hardened exterior to New Yorkers. And also Chicago folks from Chicago, which is where. Is born that allowed him to not accept to sort of block the smoke. That's blown up his ass. Yeah. I'm sure he likes to be complemented, but he never got out of his own head and always had some doubt and fear in that is what drove him I think in a lot of ways. So those books will live on. Yup. The movies will live on capo. Mona decided Princess bride will be the thing that outlives him by like six hundred years because that's just a movie that can always be shown to any child. Probably and the they're gonna like it. And it does matter where the movie medium goes. But that movies always gonna work. But honestly, I mean, you can show people any number of his on you could you could watch the hot rock tonight and just be completely entertained, legitimately fun. Good caper movie. And there's not a lot of filmmakers, even filmmakers are working in the seventies. You'd be like, oh, they're so dated. I mean, we we watched all the president's men the other day. I was like this thing fucking crackles. Like, it's really good. And it's just you can't say that about forty year old movies anymore. That was his process for making that where we talked about in the podcast. Where he eventually just decided to throw away the second half of the book. Yes. Yeah. He always tried at nine different ways. And then I guess the the most interesting reading about him over and over again with how he approached movies was it was always like solving a problem. Whether it was like, how do I that this movie what I do about this character? How do I make this more like bull decision realistic? Enough owes a lot of how do I fix this? But then on top of it. How do I fix the situation where I got this star to be in my movie? But now he's being a huge Astle. How do I fix this? And it was it was a lot of problem solving that really works in any form a life. Whether it's sports pop culture politics. I completely agree. We do every day. I mean, it doesn't matter. I when we were talking about kind of how influential somebody can be on you. I think it's easy to look at the way that people with it. I write about movies and say like this is kind of a this is kind of a silly. And like to. Business-minded way. But it was influenced by people like Goldman who knew that a lot of this stuff was actually mechanics. Yeah. It's sort of like what you take out and what you leave in. What is successful in? What fails really does matter because it dictates what happens in the future? What people will do in the future where careers will go. What kinds of stories we get that stuff is is really important because it really shapes culture and the same way it shapes sports in politics. Like, you're saying knowing what needs to come out that sounds lamb story is all about storytelling, you know, like knowing cut out the back half of the Woodward and Bernstein book is all storytelling. You know? He was he was the bus at that. Well, yes, the good one in the famous story, which he's gonna talk about on one of the podcasts. We're gonna run we he just basically told the guys to cut the FBI, and he wasn't. He wasn't even his note. It was rob Reiner's note. He was just reiterating is like, I think Rob's, right? Get rid of the spy part. But then when people are trying to discredit that movie Damon talked about on the podcast that I did with them. That was how the oh actually William Goldman wrote that Damon's like how come I have forty versions of the script and my computer? But it's funny though, because there is I remember when I first heard that rumor there was weird the small part of me that wanted it to be true because you knew how good that movie was he were like, we'll only genius could make this movie. Right. You know, not these two kids that was why that that rumor held water for some people. He was the one thing. He was always a little. I don't know what the right where it is. Maybe not one hundred percent forthcoming on was how much script doctoring he did. Because for couple of reasons I think he got paid just a crazy amount of money to do it. I think he was very very very wary and conscious and thoughtful about. If if his shadow was over some movie than it reflected badly on the writers work, so he never wanted to be that. So he we don't really know how many movies he doctored or gave advice sign or whatever it honestly might have been like a hundred it's ver-. It's very possible. In fact, it's probably likely there's a handful of people from that era. I think specifically of Robert town as well who wrote Chinatown and a number of other great movies who had did have reputations though as doctors, and whether that meant they worked on one scene or developed one kind of character or not, and I think honestly, most people most people listening to your show don't know, just how many movies are not a single person sitting in a room writing a full script. I mean most studio movies get have more than one hand on on the screenplay. So it's it's not like, it'd be some scandal. But there's a lot of rules in arbitration that go around screenwriting. And then in addition to that it's like he's artists and he wanted to respect other artists, and there's this kind of like. Unspoken omerta quality around screenwriting and who gets credit for what he was always respecting. And I think. You know, sometimes he might have just gotten Santa script any might have given a note like that no to get to the science labs guy. Or the not gate good will hunting. But in in. It might have been they sent him the firm, here's five hundred grand just can you give us three sentences. Oh, just personally. And I've said this before the you on a podcast like one, I think the firm kicks ass. I love the firm into it would not shock me. If he he did a lot of work on that movie. Because if we by the way, we know nothing is throw that was on last night. And I was watching it. Really? Yeah. But it is one of those movies that he was rumored to avoid worked on like that. And it has that kind of dialogue where there's like two guys in a room. And it feels like the thing that they're talking about is the most important thing in the history of the universe. Like, he had an amazing ability to to write scenes like that. So maybe he did maybe didn't the two things. I never could figure out him is how many movies he was kind of peripherally involved with and how much money he had because you could have told me he was like the richest person in York. I probably would have believed that I just know that I'd never saw a check. And I know. No, he lived in an awesome place and. And are not cheap next as I don't money was never a problem for him at any point as life. But I have no idea. I don't I don't know how much money he was raking in from these studios from the eighties nineties. How many thanks is Bob with the mystery was one of the things I thought that made him so much fun to know. He is a little bit of an enigma. There's my my wife has an uncle who lives on Park Avenue, and he's a really old school, classy, intellectual New York guy who worked in advertising and. I always thought of William Goldman a little bit like him, you know, debonair thoughtful, but also could kinda mix it up and curse Yellen with like crush a Turkey sandwich. While telling you about why you're mcdaniels is really important. They also reads the New Yorker, and is really high minded when he needs to be that's kind of my that was my vision of him. Whether that was actually true. I'll never know. Yeah. Well, we're gonna miss him. He had a huge influence. I think you you made the point in your piece like, you know, some of this stuff we're trying to do here and some stuff, which I do grandma was born out of, you know, some of the way the thought process that he had and being passionate about something being thoughtful about it being honest about it and just kind of kind of go where the passion points are that he was the best example of that. Really interesting guy couldn't set up better. Thanks. Thanks bill. We're gonna call Wesley Morris. 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Now, the New York Times was Lee Morris in two thousand fifteen in April you enemy and Goldman went out to lunch at cafe balloon, which was the place that he always insisted on go into because it was one of the best n is one of the best restaurants in Europe. But more importantly, it was like a block from his house, and I had been dying to get you guys together. Because I was like this be the greatest unrecorded podcast of all time about movies. I think we were there for is it three hours, and it was like. I wish we shut it down. We shut lunch down. It was it was honestly, one of the great launches in my life. It was so much fun. I wish we had recorded it. But what do you remember about that? Well, I remember. I remember it was a beautiful day. And you couldn't tell it was a beautiful day because Kevi balloon is, you know, it's one of those New York restaurants where you can't see really outside. Very well. And so you're grateful to have the interior. I was in in. So you're like, you're just a captive audience for this person. And he was I mean, how what would he have been at that point eighty? He would have been eighty five I eighty four eighty five and he everything's still worked in his his his brain was great. He had. I don't know. I remember him. I remember just sort of not really talking a lot. I mean, your memory does might be different. But I remember just kind of being very in awe of him. I remember it. I've known you for a while. Now that was the most quiet I've ever seen you for for tuna three hours Isaac think remember not talking much. It was like Goldman jukebox. We were just like eight nine Robert Redford news this go and you go for ten minutes. They're like B B. Two isn't Julia Roberts making better movies right now poem go. And it just was that was it for it was just a it was fifty year history of the movie industry. Basically, we were just happening into it is pretty great in the reason. I was so quiet was because. I don't know. I mean, you never really know. I mean, you know meeting. Somebody you admire is is a total chemical thing. Like, you just don't know how you're going to respond to meeting anybody till you meet them. I'd never fantasized about meeting. William Goldman ever. You know there. I keep a tiny little list is like two people on a list were like living in New York. I am terrified I'm gonna run into them. Because I don't know what I'm gonna do if it happened. And it's funny because Julia Roberts. They. It's like Jili Oprah used to be one of those people, but I've I've encountered Oprah. So I haven't been able to avoid her. So I kind of know what the experience of being in a space with her as like and Julia Roberts is the other person or you're just like Toni Morrison's another person. Like were you just I just don't wanna meet Tony Moore's, and I don't want him until he Roberts. I just don't because I'm gonna make a fool myself. And I don't want to experience that the Goldman was one of those things where I totally could've just flipped out in it. I would've told him like I kept a misery poster on my bedroom wall in in ninth and tenth grade 'cause you know, I love misery, which is the crazy movie to love. But it really messed me up too. Great. And I also think that that's just a perfect book adaptation. Yeah. It's true. Critics movie critics the stuff he was writing loop con, I just talked about it. How his criticism was always just complete full honesty, and he didn't care for feelings were hurt. But he wasn't trying to do viciously. And that's a really hard bounce to find. I think on the internet. The last twenty years that balance has shifted where the viciousness becomes part of it, you know, in the wrong hands, but with him, it was super honest. This is just how I feel and if you feelings get hurt I'm sorry. And that was how he did it. And that's something, you know, you've you've taken down some movies and some tropes over the years. You've kind of held onto that to do you think that started with him the movie criticism? Or power or piling kale? Do you think it started with her? And then he was kinda in that mix as well. I think they, you know, it's funny because nobody really talks about Goldman as a critic. I mean, he obviously was it's not like a like a mind blowing thing to to talk about an ass. But I mean, very few of the things I read about him in the last couple of days have talked about what a critic he was he just outspoken Hollywood person who'd like to talk like to say things about you know, how you know, what a crazy industry the film industry is. But I mean at the end of the day this man was a was a critic, and I mean, the style to the extensively. I mean, it was just total transparency. Like, you were having a conversation with this person's written word, although I have to say, I've never met a more verbose. I've never read a more of for both. Critic who also was who also wrote sentences that were missing. Kind of hard to follow. Sometimes. Yeah. It was it was there was disjointed nece to some of his right in that actually was like part of his style. Right. But but in terms of like, I mean, obviously, Pauley Gail a per look Andrews Air as Pauline kale. You know, Georgia Brown, even people Judith Crist who nobody ever talks about as being one of the great critics. I mean, they all sorta wrote in very conversational, but also. Somewhat more literary than your average conversation style and Goldman. But Goldman Goldman was later though. Yeah, they he was more like your, buddy. Right. I mean, and that was basically where most of these people I mean Sarah's in and and sometimes kale or more on the literary end of his style of of criticism. But you know, I mean, it wasn't like. The other thing that he did was he brought this kind of of experience to what he knew what he was talking about. He was both an outsider, Hollywood wise. But also, you know, a craftsman working within the industry and had the means by which to poke about what a weird place. It was. It makes me wish that there was more people who are in the industry who were willing to also write about a pretty fair Leslie in not care if they burn bridges or not, I guess you can do that. When you're the world's most successful screenwriter. You can just you reset fuck its own we're, but you know, he was doing this when he wrote the Broadway book in the late sixties. It was just kind of his style. He just never wavered from it. No matter how successful he became. I think it also matter that he was novelist. I I think that that sort of freed him from understanding leg. I mean, this is the person who, you know, one of our greatest ever screenwriters with also a person who didn't think that it was an art. But but a, but a, but a craft, you know, like, I mean, he made I don't make a distinction between you know. I think a piece I so fuck can be a work of art too. But I mean, he was using it to sort of make a distinction about what was important about the movie making process. But the other thing about him it sort of I think three to him to talk about what? The way the movie business worked with was. He he was just a cog. He was you know, he was one part of this larger apparatus, and he was you know in the seventies. He would have been like the second or third most important part of the apparatus, but nonetheless, he wasn't. He wasn't a director. And he wasn't a star. Yeah. I mean was the star screenwriter? But I mean, he just understood his place in the hierarchy of a movie production. Yeah. He had the whole thing about how they were the six pieces that made a movie, and if any of the six pieces fell apart the movie was going to be in trouble. But none again, we're none of them were a hundred percent crucially important because they still needed the other pieces, which I thought was a good way of putting it 'cause you need maybe. Yep. Yep. I mean, you can get away with a couple of those things not working that. Well, but if I mean, I don't know. I don't know. He he really seemed. I mean, even when I don't agree. With him. You know, the case with all people who write about a thing that you that you love or care about our know something about. Like, he was really thinking about it in this very interesting serious way. I need to seem to understand. He seemed to understand what was sort of mysterious and hard to understand about the movie business. You know, he the place of thirty that he that he worked from was just, you know, purely empirical he also worked at the Pentagon, which I think is another important. What what I mean? This idea of you mean, I'm going to sit here and have like I'm gonna I'm gonna oh do politics like in in the movie business. I worked at the Pentagon. I'm not gonna do that. This is this movie is crap movie stars are dumb, and you know, but they're also essential. And I don't ever problem saying that in the the cost me work. No. No, oh, well, I can still write novels loop gun. I talked about how when he wrote about stars. Whether it was sports or movies, or whatever like the he was attracted to start him the most. And the irony of a star is born which is a movie that basically is a movie about not just the plots about stardom. But it's about two stars kind of owning the screen in a really significant way, the two people I wanted to read about that movie were him, and you and neither of them wrote about it. So I'll just have to. I just have to imagine what both of you might have written. But that was like that Bradley Cooper performance in that movie was the kinda shit that he really dug. There's just like Bradley Cooper just being an eight list movie star in this movie. Just kind of owning it for two hours. Gama's he loved that Marta. I think. Yeah. No. I mean, he loves stardom. He, you know. I mean, he loved movies started meeting mate movies and a star. He wasn't one. But I mean, I think that he understood just how weird and random it is it just is completely strange thing to be a person who for whatever reason. A when a camera is on you, you come to life in a way that is just eight you can change people total entire body chemistry. You know, whose job it is to sit there. And and, you know, sit there and watch you read when he was also doing this to be audited during an era in which movie stardom had. I mean, he was at his height during an era in which movie started taking this really interesting turn into like, you know, most people that you consider movie star of the nineteen seventies. Where all. Very good actors like classically trained, very sort of serious craps people who you know. I mean, there were exceptions like right furred and not that he wasn't classically trained. But he also just you know, he's not a great actor and Warren Beatty is another one of those people like not a great actor. But obviously arguably a movie star. And he worked with all those people. He knew I was people. And so he had this kind of inside information about I mean, not inside information. But he he he knew. The people were and how they're an how their lives worked and also with their motivations and their motivations. And. And as they became a little too famous some of the some of the obstacles and some of the ways it could go. He could go wrong. Yeah. I'm gonna misread them. And I don't which is I just don't feel like that's going to happen again for somebody who's that entrenched in the actual business of making movies and also made some awesome movies. But was also had the ability to write about them in a way that you know, made you think, and I just don't think that happens again because there's some people have too much to lose now. And especially with the way the internet is somebody did that once I think the industry would would not take kindly to that. Right. It's just not realistic. No. I mean. Nope. I mean, I I don't know about that though. I wonder I mean everybody is so sensitive now. And I think that part of that had to do in the seventies. I mean, people people were used to kind of like great big film criticism. And I mean, people were used to greet the criticism all of all kinds, right? It wasn't just in the movies. I mean, all most sort of serious critics were just you know, they were really good at their jobs and part of being a really good at your job is being. Unambiguously honest about. Whether something worked or not and why it didn't it didn't work. But I do think that you know, he did. I mean, we should be clear about I mean, not clear, but I do think I wonder whether or not the way we're talking about his freewheeling really exciting embracing way of thinking about what didn't didn't work about. So many different aspects of the movie industry's the movie. Interesting weather, it cost him anything. I mean, he did have a dry period. Yeah. Period where he was. Yeah. I mean, where he just couldn't get work now and then Princess bride misery happens, and then it rallies back get you're right. Maybe they did a huge part of that. Yes. So he had really bad writers black which is pretty open about writing about. Anyway, I know the feeling of Wesley. What are you? What are you working on? Now. I'm seriously contemplating getting this Michael Douglas story that I've already a year out of my life. Speaking of William Goldman. Yeah. I I I don't know. I'm I'm like momentarily obsessed with all the lessons to be learned from Michael Douglas, which you know, are many we should say that for different podcast because disclosure has been on cable recently. And I keep getting sucked in and it is the most dated movie. That's come out within the last twenty five years. It is just absolutely riveting. Oh, we gotta go on. I will. I will talk to you sued. All right, talk you later. Bye. One talk quickly about ZipRecruiter. The presenting sponsor of this show. Jobsites overwhelm us sometimes with tons of the wrong resumes. That's ziprecruiter. There's a smart way to get ZipRecruiter dot com slash Bs. They find people threads cause for your job. They actively invite them to apply. Qualified candidates fast right now, my listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free. 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But here's the one the only Bill Goldman. I don't know. You know, the Academy Awards are always what they are. And I happen to think they're too short. I think they're fun. I think they're humiliating. I worked at one year. And it was it was an amazing year because Charlton Heston the longer with us was the head of the academy. And he was the speaker at cetera any one of the one of those amazingly people and he was late. That I was standing there when the produce over to Mr. Eastwood and said, would you take over for Chuck, and he said sure, so we went up and started reading lines of dialogue, and they were Moses jokes because they've been written for Histon. No finally Histon came raging in in this tuxedo. He gotten a flat tire on the freeway. Now, this is such a Los Angeles thing he gotten a flat tire on the freeway, and no one would stop to pick him up. He Charlton Heston Charlton Heston Innotech Saito on the freeway at like, four o'clock and no one picked him up. And finally, maybe it was three o'clock with a beautiful after note. Finally, someone took him to the academy cable. But that was maybe the high point. I mean, that's such a great Los Angeles story 'cause how many people are going to be wearing tuxedos in the maybe a lot of people. Do I don't know. But but has to do the nobody picked up in Eastwood doing Moses jokes. I'll bet you. If you ask Eastwood, no he would remember doing Moses jokes when you when you want to nineteen seventy for Butch Cassidy? Yes. But I didn't you don't even go. Well, I could've gone. I didn't go because the Knicks in the play offs. What? Oh, yeah. It was a he was the first championship here. And I was a friend of. Elat very great. Dave the butcher, and we were playing for the championship the Nixon always stunk. And there was no way. I love it. Anyways, a long long time ago. And it was not that easy to get the lowest. He plays, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I couldn't listen dictate. So it didn't go that is I have never heard that story that is one of the great spoiler. Do it again game. It was it was I know I know those definitely define us. So the Oscars must have been later back. Then earlier there might have been a it was that was such a great team, and I fell in love with them. And there was no way no way. I was going to miss a Nick Nick championship. But then you run for all the president's made out for that. Lawrenson linked to win. What happens? Well, I remember if you ever saw the movie one of the great things that okay when you're working at a feel it a flick. Okay. There about six of us who are very important to the movie, obviously, the director, the producer the writer, but very very important as a cinema talker and come at all no longer with us a list. Honey, did all he did Cassidy if you ever saw that movie there's a signal to bicycle riding Catholic around, and it's so beautiful because cutting it was such a great dog river, and I'm getting to the point like the deep throat scenes at all the presence, but we're fabulous looking because kind of shot them so brilliantly. I think I basically said something like that. I would never been up there without code red and got the hell off because I. I hate willing speeches hit it. When people start blabbing about their mother there in that. We don't care, right. You know this show, you know, whether any terrific speech is listed. I can't think of any. I actually Tom Hooper speech is pretty good speech was well, I love the guy who's younger that I was the script for that invade the had some funny jokes about age. It seems like the British show is prepared when they have to speak. It's one of those things where the odds fig about the Oscars last night. Is there really weren't any upsets except for the director thing. I mean, king speech was supposed to win what they won. And I thought inception with in a win all the big moments that I thought that even get nominated for some of them. Yeah. I thought I've prayed that Aaron Sorkin with win for script because it was such a brilliant script for Facebook. And now when you saw that movie, obviously, you're from a different generation did the whole Facebook. They did you even know that much about it. When you saw learning flowers theme Facebook, I've never I've never twinkie, and I've never Facebook. I don't do that. And I mean, I do Google I look up stuff on Google time. But I mean, no, I know, and I just thought I had no idea how much was true or not true. I just thought it was insatiable movie. And i've. Thought that opening scene in the of the boy and the girl in the bar in Boston, this it was just errands, circuit holier could write this at least he got rewarded but fincher? Yeah. I thought he'd do Hooper's it a hell of a job. But fencer. I he was the only upset I think isn't that. Right. There was anybody else? I mean, there was a chance somebody said something interesting to me Warren Beatty is having. Having one of the bizarre great film career. And I don't think babies moving at ten years, and he was a judge giant star. And somebody said if it had been ten years ago, he might have been able to hustle award for his wife actress. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But she, you know, it was really I thought Portman was brilliant, and is insanely beautiful and smart and gave a lovely speech. I thought she was well, you know, what I'm living till I added she would I thought it was remarkable work. I think the an Benning people seem to think that was going to be upset because you know, everybody thinks the academy is a bunch of old farts at black swan met have been a little too weird for them. Yes. And maybe they, but I guess I guess kids. All right, wasn't exactly normal movie. I thought it was swell. I've thought it was a really nice move. I don't know. I thought most of the movies up this year where really quality flicks. And one of the things that's wonderful about them is that they're doing business. It's the first time that I can remember the films that are up the quality films that are up for the Oscars. I mean, the fighters don't business and black floods speeches. You know, they've all and that's wonderful who last year, the wonderful movie on blocked on the name that what if a woman directed it. She the the Catherine the Cameron's ex wife Golo, no business. It didn't. I think it is seventy million dollars the hurt locker. Yeah. Nobody went to see it. I think the Oscars helped it, but this year for reasons, I don't know. But awful lot. The people who've been going to quality flicks and not all of them were doing business, but it's the pricing that any of them do well used to write one of my favorite favorite favorite Collins of all time that is now alive and two bucks. But you wrote for New York magazine you'd right basically, these big picture pieces about the movie business where it's going. You know, you split it up. So you'd have a common this spring before the summer movies, then a common the fob before the Oscar moved out, and then in a big part of those columns is trying to figure out from a big picture standpoint. Where things going and it's. Interesting. Interrupting the things is today. Right. As we speak. I think there's only one star. And that's never happened history of. So I think Will Smith is the only movie star left. Wow. By which I mean. What they say out there. The execs about a movie is did it open. That means did the first weekend. Do terrific business because that's the crucial thing for a movie, and it used to be the way with dR and Tyrone power Mickey Rooney, you know, we have a fame. This is true. I think right now you could argue that the two greatest stars that ever lived. Fetish there in John way, would be unemployable. There hasn't been a movie that you would have wanted. John Wayne for since the Eastwood western I think in ninety three and they don't make musicals anymore. They're gonna do we had a time back in the thirties and forties and fifties. We had loads of movie stars. And right now. We have Will Smith. We'll with the only one I think you wouldn't put the Capri. Oh in real you look at some of the movies, these they don't. But I mean, sure. He's done something. He's has huge hits. But so is the Nuro, but they have turds. So it's Pacino there really an actors, but they'll have movies that pay. So you can say if it's a certain like the night, the next Faulk will be that comes out. You could see oh, there's a lot of is for dinner with their methods. There isn't. But right, that's different. I mean, it used to be you know, I used to write years ago who's the biggest star was a Tom Cruise. It wasn't this winter that would know we never know women. There were women who say oh my God. If we could just get Julia Roberts, their performance, I love, but I don't think I don't think they're only women out there. They're gonna open pictures. I really saying you're saying everytime Will Smith opens a movie no matter what it is. It's going to do. Well, and that's what gives them the pole position. Yes. I think what happens is if you'll go over and check Will Smith will be over the last ten years. They may not do tremendous business overall. But if you'll check them they all, but there's an audience for Will Smith. And that's why it doesn't matter. What he does. That's why Wilson I think right now. And this is never happened before the only time mean when you think of it. I just I saw the first two grit recently and John Wayne. John Wayne for someone of my generation was a huge huge movie star. You know, he knew we couldn't act. Well, maybe new Shakespeare, but he could walk and he could talk and all that stuff. And then. Think about a what movies are out there. Now that you would say, oh John way was great in. The kids are all right? I don't think. So I mean, maybe he'd probably be the dad from meet the Falker, it'd probably be that put that that's not the kind of movie that that John Wayne used to do John Wayne used to be that was the guy you went to see. But there were a lot of there were a lot of guys who were Jimmy Cagney. I mean, Bogart what am I heroes then the cover star till very late. I think he was thirty four or five before we got lucky, and he only got lucky I think is George Ray up being stupid. Right. But so he was kind of the Clooney pass. That's right. They'll be bloomer path. It's really true. It's one of those things. One of the things that happens out there. This is a series of mine, the two best stars I've ever worked within ninety years of movie work are pulling the within Clint Eastwood, and my theory about is the reason they're so terrific and professional is because they didn't make it when they were kids. I mean, if you're a movie star, and all of a sudden, you're twenty two years old and everybody was to you. If destroys you and Eastwood, I think was twenty seven or eight before we got ride new one. I think only got his break because there was a Jimmy dean stepped out of a movie in new I think twenty seven or eight got it. And I ran that theory by Amanda, why met lovely van George Clooney, and I read my theory past that he said oh God. Yes. If I made it when I was twenty three I'd be dead and clue. When he didn't make it till he was in the wonderful medical TV show when he was thirty years old. And I think with a lot of these kids out there when they make it when they're your if not necessarily a good six would you apply that theory to basketball players? Well, the Brian James making it at eighteen might not have been the greatest thing that ever could happen to. Well. I think he's a very very great player. But I mean, Larry real Newin. No, some said that the two most physical athletes he'd ever seen in basketball where Wilson the liberal. We had a liberal. It is. I mean, we'll was freakish. You can do every, you know, he could just do things nobody else, but liberalism, they think I don't know. I don't know why the heat aren't better do now hold this thought because I want one more movie thing. And then we'll move to this. Go just say heading in two thousand eleven you pointed out these dramas are now making money. Yes. And we I mean, I could list seven eight nine movies that did a lot better than I think the studios thought is are we headed toward maybe more those in three D movies, and maybe some slapstick comedies, and those are the three movies that come out now. It's interesting because I want you gotta understand something of that studio heads, there's really smart, and they also know that if they screw up enough times, they're going to get fired, and they won't be able to get into all the good restaurants that sounds like basketball jeans. Well, it's true, but they weren't desperately the studio heads they wanna make movies that will keep them in business next year and the year after I don't think I mean. Ville nobody thought some of these movies. We're going to do the kind of business do I mean, they're they're commercially successful. Yeah. And that's that's a wonderful thing. If you can have a picture that's up for the Oscars. That's making you money. That's haven't and that doesn't happen much. And I think next year. I maybe neck not actually but the year after because it depends on what scripts they're going to get. I think they'll make more movies like this, and hopefully they'll continue to do business. I don't know. Here's theory. I think t- as we've talked about none of the podcast, but TV over the last ten years is kinda overtaken movies a little bit at the place that you go if you want to get really quality acting quality writing. Yes. And now, maybe some of these movies that are being made. Now are almost a reflection of that as possible. It is possible. I mean jeeze if you look at the let me the one thing, I think is really stupid is the notion that we have to have ten pictures up for best picture. Yeah. Five it's ridiculous. But if you could have made a list of those five and say, wait a minute, really quality pictures. I mean, I haven't seen Toy Story. I hear it's wonderful. I mean, you can just go on. So he would hit, but that you kind of expect, but these other movies, it's wonderful that the five I thought the fighter was when I went to the movie theater. And I that there I didn't think it was going to be that terrific. And then suddenly my hand was taken off. I mean, I love Abyan, Melissa, Leo. I thought Walberg was marvellous. I thought you know, it wasn't Barbara this movie, and it's doing business boxing movie for crise. And I was thrilled. I was thrilled. We got screwed. I think that Affleck wrote and directed and started we'll be called the town. Right. It's a terrific flake, and it's did business. And I wish it had been one of the ten movies have gotten over there. But let's I'm glad you brought him up because let's solve the urban legend right now about you and goodwill hunting. Yes. Did I write it? Yes. It's all my no every but it was nutty thing. That happened because. Those two kids were on eleven twenty. And they were you know, gorgeous and talented. No one wanted to believe that they'd but that's grabbed. Right. And so I spent a day with in which I said what rob Reiner incentives them because Castro we're going to do the movie, but that with south I did nothing. But I was so staggered when when the gossip came up at I in written this. They only said think about that story is I wish they write another movie 'cause they're really gifted. I mean, they're having marvel careers, and I wish they write a good. Well, what you did tell them. You gave them one note that I think they use correct? Well, there was in the original script Damon part the FBI was after because he was a math genius or something and rob Reiner. When he read it said get rid of that at all, I said. To them was Rob's, right? Get rid of that stupid business with the BI. Stay with the characters up in Boston. They did. And it was a marvelous success and their careers of exploded since I mean Aflac after this year. I think he say forever because you love when people come back, you think when the when you have the initial success, then the the precipitous drop, and then the comeback golden after that. Well, I think the town was such a terrific movie. He's so good in company mid which is another terrific movie. I just think whatever it was that. They did that was done. Whatever those movies. He did with Lopez or whatever. Yeah. Do that anymore. You know what I mean? I mean, he's going to be I think everybody wants to have him in a direct for them. I would if I was a studio guy. And I think there are a lot of people out. There are going to want Ben Affleck. And I bet he has a movie this next coming you win it. So you had like about ten twelve year stretch when everybody used to come to you with with their scripts, please help me out give us when idea I mean, basically called reregister rewrite them or just suggest that sounds like the greatest job ever. Well, it was it was it was a period of time. You know, I I got very lucky 'cause my my first movie was pulled it when picture call Harper, which was says, it may second movie was Butch Cassidy, the western which is the most successful single ever be connected with and I was novelist. I think the thing that only thing different about me is I never saw a script until I was thirty three years old now screenwriters are retiring before their thirty three. But I was so far out of it that when I got screenplays I thought, well, I you know, 'cause I'd been anomalous for ten years. And it was it was a different world for me that was interested. And then basically I've written a lot of movies over the decades. But I, but I think right now, it's I would not be very happy. If I was twenty five years old starting to go to I think, it's a hard time to be screened wetter. I think it's just. It's difficult Billick price. They don't know. I mean, I don't think anybody. I mean, there are certain things. I can't right? I've never the George Lucas film. I couldn't do that. I can't right inside six hundred. I've never written a flat out comedy funny there occasionally last and something all right? But it's not like the companies that are kinda got. But. We're going to see what happens it could be that this year was a freak year. And it could be that this year was the start of a bunch of quality films to things that you've always written about that. We just I feel obligated mentioned one is that it drives you crazy that we don't know the votes for the movies now much the movies one by how much the actors God forbid they ever told us. I don't know why they don't I really I written. And I really believe it. Why don't they tell us? It will. Oh, we we really it was close for this guy. I would love to though that. And I don't even care if tell us today, they could tell us in six months. And I feel it. They could unseal it like the JFK assassination documents tours later. Absolutely. I would just like to tell that. I think most people would. Yeah. And then the other thing, and you point this out they is that comedy's just get screwed over by the Oscars. When in fact, a movie like there's something about Mary is much harder to make than some of the dramas that was nominated this year. You're absolutely right. I don't know why people. I think people somehow think that comedy's easier. Let's write some funny, and it's so hard. It's so I mean, the idea the idea of writing something funny just. It's amazing and the accuracy hard to play hard to be funny. Yeah. You know, all that stuff. It's hard to write fully. And then like the either the fairly brothers like they basically had a ten year drought. Now, it looks like hall pass is gonna do out. But I hope for it comes into goes. Let's go quickly to your beloved Knicks now five years ago, your seats are under the basket had them forever. Just five years ago you near the got trampled in the Carmelo Anthony Mardy Collins, Nate Robertson that whole disaster. And now he's on your team. No, he's on the team. And I don't. What I don't know is I think. I think you've been to New York. It's a hard place to work. I mean, I mean, I don't mean that any I don't mean it's not hard to work in Denver. But you don't have all the newspapers and all the TV guys and all the twenty four hours stuff going on. And if he has a bad game, it's going to be headlines in the sports section of the papers at cetera et cetera. And right now, there's stuff about his wife, a wonderful. She is and she's got her TV shows that cetera. But what if he starts thinking it up? I don't think he will. I don't think he will. But I mean, you worried that it's too sensitive. I just think it's very hard. If you're not used to playing in New York City to play in New York City has been media here is so tough. They are they, you know, just hard. But on the flip side, the phones are great. If it's in you the fans to bring it up. Oh, yeah. You gotta understand the the game that the other game the first game at home when we would come Il. It was it was the most exciting. I've been going since the sixties. It was the most exciting time since we since we well left it. Yeah. I mean, it was just the crowd was crazy. I'm very excited 'cause Wednesdays another game. And I want to see how we do. I mean, no an expected us to win this game last night. And. We played wide or tomorrow night. And that's scary. And then we I don't know. It's fascinating because yes, they are crazy knick fans, and they love it. And we've been so awful we've been so awful for ten years. I'd here's the last one. This is from a two thousand fourteen podcast. We did right after right before the Oscars. Actually, I got him to come back on again. It was it was the Oscars year of gravity. I think and and that was the last time he came onto pod. I should have had him on more. It was always it was always like too much of a challenge to get him to come on. It's just I don't know. I should've tried harder. 'cause he was great both of these times. So here's a couple of different snippets of this one. Is it was right after Philip Seymour Hoffman died, which is how I got him to come on. 'cause he loved Hoffman. So he's gonna talk about him. And then we're going to talk about movies in general, and that's going to be. I don't know how big this is the story is Los Angeles, Chicago. But in New York because he's a local kid or was it's just huge and all the papers on television. And I think. It was gonna die. Right. We didn't know where we knew we was say chal talent. But we didn't know we. Well. Yeah. That's good. That was terrific. I love what he did in this play play. But he'll try that. And he'll do the other thing. And then all of a sudden, it's all taken away. He was almost like one of those athletes that is his cranking out big seasons year after year. But you don't really kinda realize that that that the breath of the career, you know. True. I mean, I was talking with some people run with intone. Yeah. And I hate him so much so great. And you look at it only hit him because he didn't come to work. I now he spurned you know, what he did for me. But look at him, and you see on the I mean, the greatest players probably too soon to say where LeBron rates, but he's up there. But the greatest players I ever saw where Wilton Michael Jordan, and they were free to and said, I think LeBron may be one, and when you have one of those people are off, but when you have somebody who's really greatly gifted they don't come along off it, and you better you better treasure the world here because there's no law that says something that. That neither one we last couple of years ago. Heath ledger, different points in their career. He's ledger was embarking on this whole career. I don't think he'd his prime yet. It was terrific. But I don't think he just put. I think I don't think anybody thought. Was going to get much better. Because you couldn't get much better. I don't know what parts he could've played next. I don't know. I don't know. What is mission was obviously, he was not a happy camper. Yeah. We didn't know that you know, he had. Yeah. The three kids the lady with for fifteen years, and he lived in the city, but you never you never read about Phil doing million being drunk in a bar or this or that. He was just this actor who acted a great deal in this theater. A great deal of this. Thank god. And we still. Let's go see him. But that right. And I think what would have been interesting with his career. The next fifteen years was as he age the roles that he was taking. Would have been this whole second incarnation as. Character actor that stuff. I would've loved to have seen. What parts he picked? I mean, what did he decide to do next? It's it's heartbreaking musical because when any world whether it's sports or theatre movies. When a great talent comes alo-, we're blessed because they don't come along with it. And you better you better treasure them because should happen. So who is the best actor alive right now? They lois. It's pretty good. I was gonna say Livia. I don't know. Like, oh, yeah. Let me is still alive. Always always effect right now. I'm in alive living right now. I wouldn't. I don't know. I mean. I don't think Pacino's wonderful. I don't know. It's hard. I wouldn't know if I can think of what. It's not that was over. Where do you stand on the Tom Hanks thing? Well, I saw him in his Broadway show, and he was really swell. You're always you're always terrified when a movie star comes to New York because the theater is so different. And you don't know gonna make it ask yourselves how they're going to be wonderful. Tom Hanks play was swell. He was really soil. I know some people were around it. It was a very happy group of people that were with him. And he was terrific. And I thought Jesus Christ. What I came out of the theater thinking, it's gonna be really fucking. Never know never know that where we don't know. How much stuff they have around them to make that work? We are they taller short. Do. They look like, so I don't know. It's just it's different when they come to New York, or when they do theater what about live. Oh, he's a wonderful actor. But I don't know. I mean, he's wonderful. I would never. You know, if when it comes to New York, I'll always go to and I always go see movies. You don't know. It's one of those things where. That'd be part that he played that often play really will. The real play in. Arguably the greatest where can play and. Seeing him do it with startling because. He was so good. It was so. Where do you stand on these David Russell move is? Because they always have incredible performances. They have these really really rich colorful scenes that you remember that are Chiappa to flee that this year. Here. Well, American hustle, but. The overall movie is kind of easy the kind of incoherent to some degree. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think. You know, he's terrific director. No, he's done. He does really really good movie and. I like the fighter. I liked Huckabee. I heard Huckabee, you know, he does he does really quality stuff several linings playbook. Yeah. No. He's. He's one of those guys. I think basically is is very gifted. He's a very gifted. He'll Pissy might get a new form of well, I guess like maybe rabbit alma people like that. It's of that kind of John Rao, but they kind of scripts that you wrote were very cut and dry scripts with a certain structure, his seem Mike it. They're almost like, I know they're not add living the scenes, but it almost gives you that feeling like he's just unleashing the actors on these weird part. He's very gifted these listen. Here's the thing that nobody has to realize. It's fucking hard being a director. Yeah. Because nobody wants to do your movie you've got to you've got to do with the studio and the studio to think about this studio guys is they're all smart. But they all know if they make the lone ranger they're gonna get fired because the lone ranger lost, I guess hundred and fifty million dollars this year. And they thought it was going to be a gigantic it I wrote a lie wants to cut out there. Which is true. Nobody does anything. None of us have the least idea what's going to work. And so it's always a crapshoot. It's all the crapshoot. That's why it's why stars have plot movies. It's why directors foot, but we all do. I mean. No, I mean, even Steven Spielberg is slow moving to enjoy Lucas. And it we liked think they're just amazing. They having remarkable career. But who knows they don't know? If you could only protect one person for the next ten years. Would you? Protect Jennifer Lawrence or Kevin Durant. I think Kevin into rid. I think that would resting you keeping Kevin Durant. You're getting ready to Jennifer Lawrence. Well, I'm not getting really we're choice of to me. She's only twenty three I think, you know. And she's a very talented kid. We don't know one of the things about these people. In the world. They live up there. I don't like Los Angeles. I'm a terrible driver. And. I'll tell my favorite awful Hollywood story about there for the first time like fifty years ago, and I'm walking with a hotshot young producer. And he says the we're going to arrest for lunch and he says the following quote shit. Here comes Alfred Hitchcock. Let's cross the street. So I don't have to say Hello to that. We crossed the street. Now, you gotta understand Hitchcock. Why never met obviously? We'll see hero of movie. And I thought that was the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of again noodle around in. This thing was it made sense because Hitchcock with no longer at that stage of his career the superstar director he had been commercially. And the young producer wanted to be a superstar producer, and he was terrified. Somebody would see him with Hitchcock and say, oh, my God is desperate. He's working with him. And that's the way they are out. There is a very strange thing. They want to. They want their careers to continue. And they don't nobody's done. It's very weird world because it's all crap shoot. I mean. Whatever movies are coming out at three would from now. I have no idea what they are every executive at every studio thinks oh my God. I think this is gonna be it. Flop if nothing flop. The studios are gonna fire 'cause the rich guys who own the studios won't be surrounded with people being hit. So I mean, I don't know. I mean, there's a movie on desperate to see. It's opening this week, the George Clooney wrote it, and I guess it monuments bit I'm worried about that one. Well, I am too. I hope it's wonderful. I don't know anybody who was seeing it regardless. But I think it's a fabulous idea for movie, and I hope it work, but nobody has at least idea right now is it gonna open. They didn't screen it for anyone. And they dumped in February two red flags. Yeah, you're right. And thanks if it's it we'll say, well we wanted to keep a special. I don't know. I I live in New York in the movie business teams, sixty three. Yeah. And it's always it's just same. I mean, it's like. I'm only meant to stars at all these years. I had nothing. Nothing nothing. But wonderful about one of them was Paul Newman the longer with us and the other one is pleased with and they were totally professional. No ego. Very gifted writers directors and actors, and but a lot of them are not you don't wanna meet a lot of the Hollywood Spillers. I'm glad you brought up Newman because somebody sent me this question for my mail bag. And I thought it was awesome. I'm going to tweak it a little bit. Go Hollywood comes to you. And they say, look, we are remaking Bush casting in the Sundance kid which you wrote in. And you win the ask her for we're doing this. We're cutting check for one hundred million dollars. And the only thing we're asking for muses, which to actors are we casting. And you have to tell them which to actors, they're casting the movies happen. Anyway, you can't stop it. Who are the I don't know who are you to actors who plays Sundance? I think I actually do know. But I was interested to see if you'd have the same age. I think it's Clooney and pit okay. They'll be good. But I don't know. I think I think Clooney's Butch. Pits sundance. Yeah. That's good. Which one of those things where? We're. We're making Butch Cassidy and the wonderful late towards ill is the director. And we became friendly that we both liked the movie and it got fucking killed by the critic, most vicious reviews ever. Really? Oh, yeah. One of the reasons was I don't know if. I got paid for two thousand dollars for this play. That is still a lot of money. Now, people know that that's that was the most anybody ever gotten. I green play. But at that time, it was phenomenal record breaking in the critics all wrote these shitty things about it thing. Why would Hollywood so stupid that kind of money for script when we all go the actors make up all the good times. The directors have all the visual, which is what they really thought in those years and anger continue. Just terrible George. We're walking the day at open that we were in despair because we both like the movie we didn't think it was the brothers MAs of. But we both really liked it. It was playing two theaters in New York and east side in the west and we tap into stop by the would each side endured said. Let's go in and talk the energy. So we did in Georgia USA the manager about consent. Alot George George said do why are you smiling in the manager theaters because we're selling on every production every showing in the audience lows. We were stunned in George to say, you know, on Broadway. Guy said I'll call up the manager over. So he comes back in a few minutes instead fame deal filling out every performance in the audience. We think it would walk into that. I george. We came to our part, but we separated Georgia. Maybe it isn't a disaster. That I've always that. That was one of the great lines because nobody knows right? I mean, I just love that George way hill and there so. They're so different. Both people out there. If they're New Yorkers and they live out their their life because so strange and. Queen story. Great story, I was out there. And he wanted to meet with base way to airport drivers stop. I mean it with liquid was lovely. They left is good about it. I got back into car subtly. He was the bigger star in the world at this book subtly. He comes running on office billing screaming, wait, wait. Wait, wait. And I told her driver to wait. Go ahead. How am I gonna find you in New York? Nice to I'm in the phone. And I can still see him. A look staggering surprise face. And he literally fell backwards way. All it was filled out because I really realize Steve McQueen it finally been ten years before we had met anybody since it was in the phone book 'cause stars are not in the right? And you know, big deal people. And if you're seeing with Queen you only want is associated with other big deal people. Yeah. But that's one of my favorite Hollywood. Oh, I flew like God. I mean, it's a it's a weird life. They lead it affects the quality of what they choose to make. And you know, as you say, you know, by the way, I'm keeping away past year at time. We're still going go talk about the Knicks yet. What's interesting by your career because you did all these great things you wanna couple asks me a lot of money to become the dean of screenwriters future. Ones that stuff both go get the really Princess bride in a weird way has become your generation a legacy because at some point when little kids they hit some age between for my daughter. I think it was six for my son was four just because he does everything she does. But every kid watches that movie. Now, it's like between DVD's Blu rays, apple TV net. Flicks. Whatever if you make anything that's one of the best of those kids movies. They're all going to see it. So I would say I would say more people have seen Princess Brad in the last eight years than of probably seen it in the twenty five thirty years, whatever before it, a wonderful. I love the fact that kid like it. It was not. I was like a little I wanna say eight five, and I said, all right. It was story. What do you want to be about one of the Princess bride? So I said that'll be the title. And I wrote a couple of pages that I got stuck. And then a couple of months later, I went back, and it opened filth to me. And I wrote it very quickly, and it feel thing I've ever written that I really could look at without barf. Most proud of it. And I love the fact that kids like it. I just knew it was nothing what it came out. It was in the movie. No, it's a famous movie, but it was not a famous. It was not a Spielberg picture. And quick spiel spill who wanted to know. We that he directed. Which is the biggest most important Philip was Jillette with Joe has changed the way movies this summer time with all kinds of and it was a famous faster while they were shooting it yet. It was just a legendary pieces shit to the boat wouldn't work in the water was terrible. Well, when I went to see it. It was the first screening. And I thought it was in facial. And it was funny because the thing of joys was it was such. It wasn't just a phenomenal hit and it didn't change whatever came out in the summertime. It's shocked everybody 'cause the quote Bill go, but nobody knows any. With Princess bride. You said Robin rate at that particular point her life was the most beautiful women who ever lived you still stand by that. Oh, not even close. I was out there with Brian. Or did so brilliantly directing it, and we were trying to cast buttercup, and these, you know, I live in New York and drills. Look like these girls these breath-taking women came into report, and they were or just, but they weren't what we were looking for. I came back and you at call me a couple of weeks later and said you gotta look at this early. Or part. But I think he was there for ten seconds. I called him and said grabber 'cause she was at that time. I still think you know, she's not a dog know about Robin in those years was so so she was breath particularly beautiful yogurt. And you think she would have been one of the biggest actresses about time. If she didn't aside the is family, and if you wanted to be famous, I don't think she did. I don't think I don't think Robin had. To be a movie star. You've got to want it more than anything. And if you don't want it more than anything. It's not necessarily a great life. I mean, they make a lot of money, but maybe shit. It's I never asked her. But I don't think she did. We're spending to the next. Say that again, we're spending it to the Knicks. Okay. I'm doug. But then you're done because I already like eight minutes past what I promise. This was really good. This is one of the best supports in a while. So the next year I can't even describe how traumatized you are. You just have to get the random phone calls from you and the random emails from you every once in a while for people to fully understand, you just you just can't believe it. You just can't believe that this isn't getting better. And that you have to watch this unwatchable team these that don't really like. And and there's no real way out. I mean, how are you handling the season? Well, it's very hard. I mean, it's just very hard. I've been going since sixty became a dear friend of beloved, David David Wishart did. And I followed that early that very very very great with the Bush, Bradley, and Willis and all those people Prater liberal. Everybody like that. No. And I've stayed I stayed with an x pretty much all those years will. And I've got wonderful seats at the garden, and I like going there like to get there early to be like a half an hour before game time and watch the garden fill up, and what's the kids come out and practice and then the game starts. Billow shoots. He's a great shooter. But if he passed a little or would that kill letter, though, it might it might actually kill him. No, it's just we're not. We're not we may make eighth place this year. It's tricky because the owner wrister dulling with Richland we are set at the beginning wanted a championship team, and everybody's terrified. He's gonna fire the coach we all like anyway. But it's his radio is it, and it's just tricky because. Very good Bill. Can I tell you? It's and there's not a lot of outs. There's a lot of draft picks. There's fan picks to trade. They is not cap space for at least one more year. I mean, if I was running the next you have all these all these big guys coming up have to two thousand fifteen you got Kevin love Durant, and Westbrook. Oh, my goal would be to not my cap Cava chance these, unfortunately, this was the strategy in two thousand ten and it led you instead of LeBron Wade and all. One of the things you've got to realize about them. This year. We're halfway through the season this year. We absolutely without bullshitting faking sold out every seat. Yes. Absolute sell out every day. I'm you know, they usually fake it. But this is real. And there was this thing in the paper. The Knicks are the most valuable franchise in pro basketball. I think they're worth one foot four billion dollars. It's gotta be pretty happy with that. Yeah. I don't know if he cares. I mean, that's what he's a businessman. That's what they care about it. You'd think I mean, he took over in two thousand one and you've won one playoff series. We load. That's. Of it. I love it. But you know, you'll get I can't imagine what it's like being in the Miami's they came to Tony other new looking at those teams a long ways going to be good for or great for. But. Lebron's just. Scene. Three grade players in my life Wilson, like little Umbro there. The three greatest players I've ever seen and they don't happen. If it's like in tennis, Roger Federer cable, you had to think oh my God. Please don't let them get hurt. 'cause those years when federal ten years ago, it was his great that need to player where wherever live and these kids these talents that happens overly or what? Pleasure. I think. Well, yeah. I've been thinking a lot about the pyramid. If I ever do another version of my book, and I by several like, I did here in the last one the I think LeBron has passed will. I think he is now number six and he's knocking on the door bird magic. And what's crazy is this is eleventh season bird, really only had ten seasons. Actually, he had nine. He got hurt played another one then to who's out Najib was twelve got HIV. He was out. The Brad is almost had a career that is as long as those guys which seems bizarre to think that, but it's a fact is four MVP's. He's won two titles ease for statistically is is better than those guys. He was better two way player than those guys. But we're pretty close thinks about LeBron make when you Steve. Is he can do everything it can run. You can rebounding pass. He could score thirty five points. Wanted to instead of twenty foot. I think he's just very very great. And thrilling would I see I think you I think you've lost your Lester for bird a little bit. You're the guy who wrote in one of my favorite sports books ever waits on next year with Lupica you wrote a pull chapter about how great bird was and how people were going to forget this Sunday because that's what people do with old athletes. And now you're doing it with birds. Maybe. But if we if we were sitting having drinks, I would start to remember he was very great. Well, if you if you were making your list of during the forty seven years, or whatever the Knicks tickets to can't miss guys passing through town that you just like what I know. I can't do anything that night because he's coming. It would be a shortlist bird would be on it. Correct. I love magic Jordan will who else is on the run. Lebron Durant on that list yet? I loved to read. I don't know if he wants, you know, one of the ten greatest that really. Well, you give ten greatest when you think he is. I think he can no talking about a rant. I think three insulin the greatest ever seen. Yeah. I need to see it for ten years. We'll till years ten. What he's doing this year? He's putting together one of the greatest offensive seasons ever of all time. He's thirty one a game, eight rebounds, five assists. Fifty forty ninety percentage is it's ridiculous. Very great. He's I'm giving my invade pivo. Yeah. Nice. Lebron gets mad and decides to flip the narrative. Well, eight listen, you weren't I don't you weren't nearly as traumatized sounding about the next as you are in phone call. I think you held back. I don't think you wanted to causeways. Yeah, we're done that was forty three minutes. That was unbelievable. What are your time is valuable? You're not gonna make a recording. This. We might we maker of Cardi plant Elvin hoosiers, limit favorite rat is ever my friend, a great advice giver over the years. Great tabby and the BS appoint we want. If you could send me a copy of love. I would absolutely do that. Thank you. All right. That's it for the golden extravaganza. Are that was so long? But man when you when when you have a hero, and he turns out to be even greater person, and a cool friend all that stuff that he just matches up to the expectations. It's pretty fortunate doesn't happen a lot. And he was he was great. I'm really gonna miss them. Learn a mention if you wanted to get any of the books that he wrote on apple or Amazon or any of those and try one out can you can check them all out the adventures screen trade which landed I tell in the big picture yet. Those which tell in the big picture more like collections, and they're more the last like twenty five thirty years, and then of course, wait till next year, which we talked about extensively earlier one of the all time classics. That's that one's much harder to get if the go to like the us bookstores. I don't even know if that's on the apple, but. That's that's an all time there, and that one still holds up I read like a hundred pages this weekend, and it still feels like he can rent anytime you want. So thanks to everybody who came on today. Thanks to ZipRecruiter. Don't forget ZipRecruiter dot dot com slash Bs. Thanks to fan dole. Remember, even if your fantasy season is gone kaput you can still play daily fantasy every week fan. Do as tons of ways to play like the gridiron pick them contests. Just pick winters. No spreads ten K. Is split amongst the tap pickers. 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NBA Summer Mailbag Plus Kevin Costner on His Best Baseball Movies, Acting Lessons, and Navigating True Superstardom | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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NBA Summer Mailbag Plus Kevin Costner on His Best Baseball Movies, Acting Lessons, and Navigating True Superstardom | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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Football's coming up college football yeah everything download the seekie gap or go right to seek dot com were also brought to you by the ringer dot com the world's greatest website where we are all in on Quentin Win Tarantino this week for variety reasons. We love his movies more. Apparently there's nothing going on this week so why not owned Tarantino. He's got a huge movie coming out on Friday. We have a rewatch ables podcast also coming out on Friday reservoir dogs Sean fantasies big picture podcast cast is doing a whole bunch of Tarantino stuff and our old Halloween unmasks feed we have refashioned that and what is it called Craig Quentin Tarantino's feature presentation yeah a special three episode podcast Cast Tarantino. We interviewed him in his own words about some movies that he cares about go to <hes> go to the ringer dot com you'll be able to find it and check out all the great stuff. We wrote about Tarantino this week. A lot of staffers big Tarantino fancier Terr- unbelievable his careers were finishing a decade number three. I was really fun to talk about reservoir dogs too which is a movie that came out in Nineteen ninety-two and seems both dated and not dated at the same time but we really dove into that me Sean Advanced Chris Ryan so you get that Friday coming up. We're do little N._B._A.. mailbag stuff at the top and then an interview. I've been holding for weeks and weeks. It's awesome Kevin Costner finally come on. He came on after after God. I don't know how many years asking him but he's here and it's better than I thought it'd be. I'll leave you with that but I broke up all right. I'm GonNa hit some M._B._A.. mailbag stuff just so you know I'm taping this on Monday. I think all of this stuff is relatively evergreen. If anything crazy happens don't hold it against me you figure like the N._B._A.. It's gotTa get quiet one of these weeks. I figured it'd be right now. We'll get the Costner's second. You sent some emails. It's it's the mailbag at the ring dot com issued ruining email me but it let's go through a couple of them here. This one is from Owen Larchmont New York. He was wondering who I thought would be the past cow CEAC him of the two thousand twenty season that necessarily an impact finals player but someone making a leap someone coming out of relative nowhere that we knew it was pretty good but then all of a sudden by the end of the year we're asking that an M._B._A.. I could that guy be the second best guy in a final steam all right so I thought about at this question my answer is this here the nominees it has to be somebody that's going to be on a playoff team. <hes> either a contender or somebody who's one move away from being a contender or the a team. That's just relevant. Those will be my three categories for that so we'll go through all these Brandon Ingram. I think he has the talent he's young. The Blood Klatt thinks set him back but supposedly he has a chance to be healthy healthy. That team needs a score. Kinda liked the team. I like the Lonzo Drew Holiday Combo the Zion thing it'll be fun but they need a score. They need somebody to give the ball to in the last four minutes a game. I could see him making a leap. I don't think that's a contender anything but that they might be a stealth forty three playoff team who knows but it will if that happens it'll happen because him next one pick is Jalen Brown and before you say that I'm a homer I should mention you know one of the best guys on a team that almost made the finals in a year plus ago. I thought he was really good from January on last year. He had just an awful I two months and then rally then became a reliable semi elite to a guy and I'm interested to see what he does with more shots on a team. That doesn't WANNA kill each other every week. He's young too and there is I've talked about this before but there's a statistical trajectory with him where Paul George is an unrealistic him having him being able to blossom awesome like that <hes> every time I say that people get mad at me but just go look Paul. George stats the first couple of years to get back to me. I'm really interested to see what happens with him and tatum now that they know this team Marquette Down Cares Verda Brooklyn. I guess the recipe would see if Kyrie was just awesome this share which is very possible. He was awesome in year. One and Boston and Brooklyn ends up being a little better than we thought they'd be in a week conference and they're stringing along until K.. D. Can potentially come back in the spring next spring who knows but Liberte somebody that was looking like a twenty point a game guy and is still relatively young and the big question with him is whether he can just stand the court but I think he has the town to the next one. I don't believe in but I'm just going to mention them Kacoos MMA just because he's going to be a really nice situation with the Lakers where he's going to have a lot of open shots. He's going to have a lot of support and they actually probably need him a little bit. I'm just not convinced he's anything more than like a seventeen and seven. I don't think it's very good defensive player there so but had to mentioned anywhere else the leg bear media Mitch Kakuta well. I mentioned him. The next one is my darkhorse. Jeremy Grant really liked him on okay see. I think it's very strange to be on okay. Say It's a weird team. The last few years of Westbrook and then Paul George comes in and you're basically just an ornament offensively and defensively to try your ass off and all that stuff but I really wanNA see him on this Denver team that ball movement offensive sophistication being at a whole other level and then okay see. I think he's a really good athlete. I just have always liked his game and in. They've needed like an elite wing and team. I don't know if he has the talent but I have mine him. Zach Collins Portland you know is going to play because of New York is out until at least the all star break. I don't believe in Hassan whiteside at all I I liked the flashes of Zach Collins and the playoffs and his young. I'd I think he turns twenty. Two during the season <hes> and looks a little like producer Craig looks a little bit like you okay yeah. We'll taller. Josh Richardson. I think is is the favourite. You're the guy that <hes> I left for last year. We know Philly's going to be good. We know they are going to be one of the two or three best teams. In the east. We know they need him desperately to help defend basically the best parameter guy in the other team and then on top of that make wide open threes and I think he's good and I think he's somebody that you know the average M._B._A.. Fan just hasn't watched a lot of the last couple of years than anything was in a situation maybe you were. There are asking a little too much for him. I think if he's like your fourth banana fifth banana he could really thrive and I'm interested to see what happens with him. I thought he had some good moments last year so those would be by nominees if you if if there's anybody out there that I missed told me next question from Andrew in California. This is a good one. The Knicks are one of the few publicly traded sports teams as part of the M._S._G.. Stock in the New York Stock Exchange. Can you imagine a ringer lead crowd funded effort to purchase a controlling share M._S._G.. Then Fire James Duh own and take control of the Knicks. The current value of M._S._G.. is six point eight billion three point four five billion. Give you a fifty percent stake in the ability of Name Yourself C._E._o.. Let's make this happen Oh. I didn't realize I got to be the C._E._O.. And this whole thing this is magnificent all right so I thought this was obviously ludicrous. How are you going to raise four billion dollars? <hes> an crowdfunding effort well last year a blockchain unchain startup. I think I know what blockchain is. You know. Blockchain is great a little bit. A blockchain startup raised four billion dollars without alive product. It was a Cayman Island startup. It equips the world's biggest initial a public offerings that stock exchanges that year <hes> it was blocked at one it was funding. A blockchain platform called E._O._S. that I._O._S.. Through a process known as an initial coin offering or I._C._O.. I'm just reading this from a copy pasted it a multibillion dollar fundraising for more than doubling the next biggest offering in that type well. I mean that's pretty sketchy. We create ringer coin ringer crave. Maybe could we pay for the Nixon blockchain or ringer coin or whatever all right. I'M GONNA look into this but all I know is if a Cayman Islands startup can raise four billion dollars we could raise three point four five billion and take the knicks away from James Dolan. You do think though there's probably like conservative estimate twelve million next fans get one one million of those twelve million to contribute hundred dollars. I can't add I used to be able to add a six nine A._M.. I'm F- S._A._T.'s which which is really high back then now. I can't add three four but <hes> yeah. I'm not going to rule out this <hes> this next thing ringer lead crowd funded effort yeah. Let's do it all right next question. Mike in Philadelphia Wonders unders. Adam silver doesn't catch nearly enough crap for forcing Jerry Colangelo down the sixers throat who in turn hired as idiot son in his huge collars to immediately knocked the six off their rebuilding course but then Lakers next can and somehow continued to be run by Lake by Nieces Easy Bake Sale what the hell is going on here. It's for making Philadelphia. My answer is you're right. It is a little weird that they intervene with the next. I guess the difference is they intervened with the front office and not the actual ownership with the problem with the N._B._A.. The N._B._A.'s like a neighborhood where some asshole buys the house next to you and at that point it's his house unless he's selling heroin out of there or you know doing something illegal or it's Jeffrey Epstein the the the N._B._A.. Really has no power at all to get somebody to sell with one exception we saw with Donald Sterling this decade and we kinda thought with George Shen way back when when he was involved he would own the Charlotte team before <hes> Bob Johnson and Michael Jordan and even then they they made him move out of Charlotte or maybe he wanted to move or both and he moved to New Orleans and <hes> <hes> even that they can get to that guy. It's really hard you have to it has to be like a Jerry Richardson Donald Sterling type of situation and even then the guy doesn't really necessarily have to sell it could drag it on in court for twenty years so mike from Philadelphia. I don't really have an answer for you except for you're right. Why did Jerry Colangelo? Why was that the one who got forced down the sixers start? I will say there has been some revisionist history with the Sam Hanky era in Philly where his idea was great but then use some of the execution of it was pretty I mean he did take Jalil okafor in the top five and he did take neural stowell six and he did he. What was the other one? Oh Michael Carter Williams like his drafting was pretty iffy. His trades were good and really what he did that that was probably the most defensible was he enraged the other teams they just didn't like dealing with them and they thought he was arrogant and <hes> wouldn't call back and all kinds of stuff. There's a there's a way to deal with fans and other teams that we could have a modicum of you know civility and interplay and he just didn't care so I think from that standpoint <hes> the league probably needed intervene but the stuff about them just throwing seasons away to get high lottery picks kinda vindicated by embiid and Simmons there was some there was some way to do a modified version that that I think think would've been really defensible and <hes> the other version of that is with the Lakers did for basically this whole decade where they they tanked but it wasn't even intentional. They were just incompetent so anyway. If you look at Philly's decade versus the Lakers decade decade the Lakers were actually probably worse next question. Matthew Illman wants to know with Paul George fleeing okay see one year after resigning. Do you think this adds more weight to your previous argument. The Lakers were banned by the League from signed him last year as penalty for alleged Tampa and this was conspiracy. Bill did weigh in with this year ago <hes> it would seem now that maybe Paul George always intended on leaving for L._A.. But perhaps couldn't do it last year and now he can do. It's from Matthew. Here's my answer. Let's just look at the evidence. We heard for two years that much like coli Paul George wanted come to L._A.. When he was a free agent because he's from southern California he went to Fresno State India India and traded him partly because they were convinced he was ditching them for? They thought the Lakers and then out in L._A.. There's just a lot of talk of Paul. George is coming in a year which on the one hand can be rumors but on the other hand when it's L._A.. And Jeannie buses rubbing the circles with a whole bunch of people and people are saying I saw Jean each Paul George coming. You'd never know what to believe. There definitely was a a real buzz and a real sense that he was coming in a year and everybody thought he was coming Lebron. The Bryan came by himself so Paul George Loses a year ago in an unhappy <hes> series against Utah. They lose in round one in you'd think well that opened the door now. He'll just go to the Lakers I would if he goes the Lakers with Paul George with Lebron while he resigns in late June with okay see without ever meeting anyone without dragging out the process or getting any attention whatsoever for creating any dramatic tension anything even though he's filming a documentary series at the time which is hilarious in retrospect. It's on Youtube but that never sat right with me if you're looking for the spotlight and you have a documentary crew randy. Why are you deciding in late June where you're signing milk it for another week and then do it all right so you got that? The timing was weird year. The Lakers were fined for tampering when she knew you have in April this this previous this April that just happened Magic Johnson mysteriously resigns for reasons that remain unclear did ROB Pelinka backstab. was He upset with like what happened there. Did we ever know Magic Craig. Give us satisfactory explanation for magic resigning no. I don't feel good about it. I don't no no happened with that guy. It was almost like he got pushed out. Conspiracy Bill is design it then July added know where all the sudden Paul George wants to trade to the clippers not the Lakers now the Lakers trade because they give you now seven years of stuff for Anthony Davis but I don't know conspiracy bill gives us like a six out of ten on the conspiracy bill scale. I think there's some smoker. I'm not sure I see a ton of fire. I just do not understand why he signed with Okay A._C._C.. Last June without playing out at all or even meeting the Lakers when all we'd heard for two years was she loves the Lakers he loves L._A.. He wants to play in L._A.. And then doesn't even have a meeting with the Lakers when the bronze coming when everybody knows Lebron is coming. That's weird all right next question. This one hurts. This is from Trevor. I don't know if I want to read this. One Trevor Rides just reading the tea we leave here notice. Jason Tatum is not posted anything about the Celtics this off season that has instagram or twitter accounts. He is not welcome the new acquisitions nor given the Celtics organizations and plans and fans a bicep Flex Alexa Emoji to signal approval on anything what's worse. He congratulated Rozier for signing with Charlotte. He re tweeted a Marcus Morris tweet when Marcus Morris couldn't find a team but was telling everybody was already is GonNa find one and also he happened to go to the same school as Kyrie you went to Duke and they were actually friends last year and that's the guy that <hes> we're all happy driving to the airport Trevor Ash Shoud. Should we be worried. I was like Oh come on. There's no way Jason Tatum hasn't tweet anything. Well I go through his twitter feed. He wasn't lying. There's no Celtics tweets on July sixth. Marcus Morris tweeted either way ago. We Gon make it happen either either way. We find find a make it happen. That's always the mindset he's using some weird words there Finna Finna Yep either way we Finna make it happen so it's mess fixing to going to Finna yet. I'm I'm finished eat tonight. Is this my oldest moment of all time now finishes. That's okay that you don't know okay. How does Kyle Net teach me of this? What happens when Kyle's away so anyway? Jason Tatum re tweets this and adds ads shrillest exclamation point always room for bully see had that and then Roggio signs were Charlotte on June thirtieth bleacher report says terror shares agreed to three or fifty million million dollar deal with the Hornets via via shared per Shamsher Rania. Jason Tatum re tweets my dog three exclamation points couldn't be happier. was there a Kemba Walker tweet earn welcome to Boston and his canter tweet now all right. Let's go back to June twelfth. Bradley beal tweet Stanley Cup Champs three four exclamation points hashtags or at Saint Louis Blues Hashtag Saint Louis Forever and Jason Tatum then re tweets at twitter St Louis forever three exclamation points now. I'm not against that because he's from there and Bradley Beal's Guy. I keep I keep going through in. I don't know Craig. There's just nothing there's there's no indication that he's even on the Celtics. Since this season ended so here's my fear he from what we've heard his name was kind of floated around a tiny bit with the Anthony Davis stuff and how serious was who knows but if they were going to try to get Anthony Davis he you had to be in the deal so maybe heard something. Maybe he didn't like how last season went I'm concerned. I'm concerned in general. I have not enjoyed the last twelve Jason tatum months ever really ever since he came on this podcast I've enjoyed the last year I also checked his instagram and there's just no indication that he's excited about anything with the Celtics so the more of the story is Jason Tatum just re tweeted and his canter Kemba Walker picture and be like can't wait to play with these guys just do something. Don't make me have to sweat this out you. You're only two years into a five year deal all right a couple D._C.. Fans have have emailed me this question some variation of C. P. Three to DC for. John Wall and a first round pick or two first round picks if you're wizards fan you're basically thinking this is their best chance. Creep Bradley beal. We upgrade John Wall. I'm not going to list all the people I don't want to bear some email gummy the trade <hes> you're not trading journals contract and this season you shouldn't because as Joe House keeps pointing out on this podcast it's insured. I think eighty percent if he can't play this year so you're going nowhere anyway a played out have the insurance pay for his deal. <hes> it helps with tanking anyway go for one more top five pack and then reevaluate there was news that broke today on Monday that they offer Bradley Bradley beal three hundred eleven million dollar extension if he turns it down okay you can still take it to February whatever <hes> and you know you can get a king's ransom and by the way we just talked about Jason. TATUM and Bradley beal is closed the Saint Louis thing that that could be a possible match because the Celtics Jalen Brown might WanNa my breakout prospects of the air but he's also going to be a free agent pretty soon I think he's restricted next summer and after after watching Joel Murray get one hundred and seventy million and some of these other guys <hes> from his Ben Simmons got one hundred seventy million in Jalen Brown didn't get anything so you have to wonder like are they in the clock with him a little bit. Would he want to go play for the Hawks from Atlanta. How long is he going to be a Celtic especially if they haven't committed to him so maybe that's part of how this plays out where they overpay a little for Bradley beal and then put him in tatum together? I don't know I'm handling my point is us. D._C.'s trading John Wall. Nobody wants John Wall. There aren't enough picks available to take John Wall and if you're the wizard is just wait till next summer and figure it out and best case there is an awesome shape and actually brings to the table John Moss contract four years one hundred and seventy one million is I think the only realistic C. P. Three Trade as we've mentioned seventy times in this podcast already was <hes> was Jeff teague expiring in in Gorby Dang two years thirty three point five million. What are the ADS? I said Gorge Correctly Georgie Corgi Gorji think it's gorgeous. My pronunciation is getting worse every I used to make fun of Edmund in for this way back now. I'm turning it too so I think that's the only one and I gotta say I think done a little digging on this who represents Carl towns see who represents Chris Paul C._A.. Who has a really good interest in Minnesota being good next year and everybody being happy C._A.? Who Gets Shit done? See A I'm in on C.. C. Makes it happen. 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Decades kids I don't really know of you can actually just name the decades because what's weird about the N._B._A.. Is the decade actually starts in the middle of each decade. They formed the League in nineteen forty six and you almost have to look at it as ten year intervals or so so from forty-six on until we get to the two thousand ten your name the actual decade from start to finish of the decade. I think it just gets tougher you do something like the eighties are like the bird magic M J decade. The nineties are the too much too fast too soon decade but like I don't know what the two thousand or so. I think it's easier to the way answered it here here. They I think it's eras not decades forty six to fifty six. This is the white guys decade. Wake us the League that you look at these photos of like the <hes> the Minnesota team the Minneapolis team George Mega played on and it's just like twelve white guys. They look like they're all shop teachers. Then Bill Russell comes in fifty six to sixty nine. That's the Russell era. He's the greatest team sport athlete of all timing wins eleven titles thirteen years he ushers in a completely different basketball where all the sudden now. They're allowing black black players to play congratulations. Thanks for thanks for letting people of all colors and <hes> Bill Russell comes in Oscar Robertson Elgin Baylor Lenny Wilkins will chamberlain and the Legions Sam Jones have been there's and ah even like about halfway through Russell's career. There is still this unwritten rule that the N._B._A.. You'd only allowed like two black guys per team 'cause they were so afraid of how the way fans are directors really some dark staff. I covered a lot of this in my book but <hes> the Russell Ushers in this new era and the League starts to change color away his while he's there by the end of it. The League starts to look like what it looks like now so then you go nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy six that's kind of the A._B._A.. Kareem era where Kareem is the best player in the N._B._A.. By far the A._B._A.. Is Now kinda. Come in. They're grabbing people who aren't done with college yet. They're grabbing people right out of high school. They're ushered sure they have the three point line. They're doing dunks and it's just like a much more fun version of basketball. Only it's run horrendously. It's a disaster. The courts are bad. The owners are bad. There's no fans for anything there's barely any televised elvas games but the premise of it is more fun and eventually nine hundred seventy six they merged but I think those seven years is the A._B._A.. In Korean that's how you remember that seventy seventy eighty three they merge are seventy six to eighty three. I guess and this is the taped tape. Delay Cocaine uh-huh era. This is when the League really almost craters you have <hes> just a bunch of disappointing superstars you have drugs just ravaging the league and then you have networks that don't really believe in the product leading to them tape delaying playoff games in the finals in nineteen eighty one when the Celtics in game six in Houston even in Boston. They didn't show that game till eleven seven thirty I went to bed and then my dad woke me up at eleven thirty and we watch the game on tape. Delay didn't listen to the radio to find out what happened. I mean this has happened in my lifetime. It's nuts that leads to eighty four to ninety three which I think is the glory days. These are just great times bird magic the eighty four finals first time they show the finals every game at night and or in the afternoon or whatever but everything's live again <hes> you've Kareem your bird magic if the right team finally finally wins the eighty four finals the bus celtics seven game series just the classic and that leads to a really really great ten year run where the slam dunk contest comes in David Stearns really wilderness influence. You have an influx of awesome squares to watch Dominique Charles Barkley <hes> Michael Jordan obviously comes in Scottie Pippen David Robinson Malone and stockton like e just hall of famers every year just coming into the league and that it's a great ten years. The product was really good. It's what's weird is if you watch the Games from that era they actually resemble the current M._B._A.. More than the Games from the next air ninety four to two thousand three which I call the too much too fast too soon era that's when the wheels came off where he had rookies coming into the league. They're making way too much money right away. <hes> it's player empowerment but in the worst possible way where you have young guys who haven't done anything yet who think that they can control everything. Nobody has to earn anything <hes> there's no mechanism in place to protect people who have gone from being broke kids in high school to playing one year two years in college saw the Senate making seven eight million a year and everything goes wrong late into the night Dan Dan lockout where they try to basically fix some of the ills that had seeped in but as we did that a lot of careers that should have been great just ended up not being that Great Chris Webber Penny Hardaway Kenny Anderson Glen Robinson hope VIN Baker Shawn Kemp You keep going going all these dudes who just should have been Alzheimer's and didn't get there and at the same time the League the quality of play. was you know it was just way too physical way to slow the playoff games that are like seventy two to seventy and <hes> it just was bad and everything kinda crested in the Oh four Olympics when we got our asses kicked and it's all one on one and just no team play at all so aw that leads the next heir the look in the Mirror era oh three to eleven where the League looks in the Mirror and says we have fixed us all right. How do we fix this? Let's add a rookie scale <hes>. Let's add some rules to make the game more fun. Let's get rid handchecking. Let's quicken the pace a little bit at the same time. There's a little more innovation. There's advanced metrics are coming in now. People know to take more three pointers and by the end of two thousand eleven basketball's starting look like basketball like the basketball that we love now you have three point shooters coming in like Steph and clay and <hes> in by the two thousand eleven where you have Lebron Twain weighed in Bosch and already happening of an old school Dallas team really kinda out thinking them and just playing a better brand of basketball and a smarter Banner Basketball Tougher Banner Basque Bonn and toppling them the league's in good shape unfortunately have a lockout that sets us back the way we recover from the lockout and that leads to the player in power manure so even though the decision was in two thousand ten in the look in the mirror. I still felt the league hadn't really figured itself out. I think the two thousand twelve one on is the player Empower Manera really that Lebron going back to Cleveland was the better version of that and now everything that's happened now and shorter contracts that came from the lockout <hes> the ability to pre agency which was the concept coined by a reader. I wish I could remember which reader said that that I said on a podcast I gave it to Jalen rose. I told him on this podcast he was getting to steal it. He immediately immediately went on seventeen that you spent shows and still now as a thing. All that stuff started here so I think those are those I would say would be the eras <hes> and I think my favorite areas the glorious that just because a mold and you look back when you were younger and things are better but it's just the twenty one teams bird magic M._j.. The style play was great. It's just really fun. <hes> I think we can get there again with the N._B._A.. I've I've faith. We've allowed town right now. All right next question Andrew in San Diego from the Bay says can we put some respect. He doesn't use tease K. respect and staffs name. The media consensus on the dubs is they miss my miss the playoffs dynasties over the last time they were underestimated after to the two thousand fifteen championship. Most photo is a result of injuries to other teams what happened seventy three wins while AMAC crazy to think steph can return to m._v._p.. Form and the dubs can still contend. I've heard this a few times and people are acting like nobody is considering this well. I just want to point out there odds to win the title or twelve to one which are pretty good. They're over under for wins issues forty nine which is higher than I thought it is going to be an Steph as the second best m._v._p.. ADDS five to one so I think this is on people's radar. I'm looking at their team. Actually Kinda liked their team if curry unleashed this is probably his last chance chance to have like a real monster m._v._p.. Season I would think maybe he can do well. Maybe he's got two year window here. He got draymond in a contract year who finally realized <hes> last season that Oh if I lose twenty five pounds of new play basketball better congratulations adulation stem you've Diangelo Russel is only twenty three playing on a really smart team that knows how to use guards off ball off screens and had to take advantage of people who just thrive on the perimeter. I think he's going to be really good for them. I and if he's not they can football but I am in the camp that he's going to be good for them. They have Kevon looney and Willie Collie Stein like both of those guys. I'm interested to see Cauley Stein. I think one or two as complete disaster or way better than an anyone thinks I'm in the way better than anyone thinks camp but I like those two guys together. I think it'd be pretty good defensively. Klay doesn't come back until April but they have Alec Burks Affonso mckinney who can <hes> at least give them some swing staff there. They still seem like there guys short but I feel like they're kind of a stealth favorite to land somebody if they need somebody I just Kinda like the team I would compare it to the ninety four bowls when they lost them Jay and everyone just wrote them off and I'm not saying you know they. They have a chance to be as successful as the Bulls. I think when fifty five games pippen was an M._v._p.. Candidate but that one of the reasons they were so a successful is the infrastructure of coaching training staff just having been there before and not being afraid big game experience all that stuff can really matter sometimes and with few look at what would happen the ninety four bowls it was really the experience in the coach in the infrastructure and them kind of realizing how to revolve around a different grade player. I think the warriors I would not count them out. Forty nine wins seems a little high only because because of curry got hurt. I think this would have a lot of trouble offensively but I'm with you. I I don't think the dynasty is over by any means that if they can hold the fort being that five six seven seed range for when clay comes back and if he can come back people come back from that injury now and they're ten months are they seem fine or ninety percent what they were so if that can happen great Josh from Richfield wants to know five years from now who's the best point guard in the N._B._A.. Here the nominees my answer Darren Fox Twenty Years Old Ben Simmons Devon Booker Trae Young Jamaran S._G._I.. Or then Stephan Dame in their mid thirties still doing it. My money would be on the air and Fox. I just think he has a couple of levels up to go. I get Donovan Mitchell. I guess could be inherited. I don't really feel like he's a point guard. I feel like he's just don't think of him as a traditional point guard if you WANNA throw him in there that he's a good inclusion Asian too. I don't really feel like that's why they got Mike Conley because Donald Mitchell really isn't a point guard but Fox to me is like the old school point guard that combines a lot of different guys that are likely there's some Westbrook athleticism with them. There's some there's some Chris Paul run. The game doesn't really care about his stats kind of stuff going on. I think he's incredibly unselfish and is is just a top of the line awesome teammate he made and I just like that guy when you think about how Phoenix could've taken him fourth and put him with booker instead they took Josh Jackson. Oh my God or Philly kit had taken up. I I mean they will not but man some teens kicking themselves J._p.. In des Moines wants to know you guys have danced around this multiple podcast but having zeroed on the perfect new nickname for Koei Co.. Wiser Soza so I guess I'm down with this. I don't know what the deal is with the usual suspects. Have we cancelled usual suspects. Is it done 'cause spacey like we're. We're not allowed to have fun with that movie anymore. I don't I need. I need a ruling from the outrage police. <hes> I like co Azer Soza but I don't know of as usual suspects is just out because spacey's the key character and they were just assume we just Kinda send that to the Pacific Ocean don't think about it again but I like O._S.. or so say <hes> speaking of movies Hartley wants to know if you do the re watchable for the town on which by the way we're doing next month. He says the whole movie hinges on Jon Hamm extracting the Fenway Robbery Platform Blake lively why would renner's deadbeat sister no the intricate details of their next heist. She's a total liability and this is the not fucking around crew even if she knew they're upset they. How would she know enough to spoil? It didn't make sense she would even have the Info Ruins and otherwise great movie for me. <hes> it's a whole I gotta think of some more for the rewatch was it's tough if anybody can and come up with a good explanation for this please help the mail bag at the ringer dot com. It's tough. I also think man they I don't can I is it I can spoiler the town right. It's been ten years yeah. I just think the bank teller gets arrested Rebecca Hall. I think there's just overwhelming evidence that she was colluding with these guys even though she wasn't and then Ben Affleck leaves town at the end and leaves you know five million bucks or whatever it was and then she goes and does this ice skating rink like what is she. Just drop the money off. There's there's a lot of picking stuff there but I think at some point Jon Hamm's like you ran on this bank robbery. I'll long where's your cut and she's just in jail and they're just trying to get information out of her for five years. Well we'll find out more of the next month Chris Ryan Ryan Russillo last question is from Jon Allen Scotland Shadow to Scotland. He says sad but true the two thousand twenty Lakers are basically the Pelicans for for two years ago just replaced jrue holiday with thirty five year old Lebron Mirror teach with Kuzma and Boogie with a fragment of his former self. They even still have Rondo. It's pretty good I mean as you know I'm pro Laker bashing on this podcast the most confusing for me. I was thinking about their team and I'm the same person who genuinely believes Davis is a good m._v._p.. Pick at eight one and I think he could just solve any problem they have just by being incredible and kicking ass for a season with Lebron as as you know his the one beat is one a if those two guys are alive and Kickin ass as Kevin O'Connor pointed out and on the Ring Dot Com on Monday the rest of this stuff doesn't totally manner. But it still does matter because we see him basketball year you need seven eight guys in you need Fred Vanfleet and you need you know J._J.. Berea an Eddie House James Posey. Can you know these dudes but the US Anita happy team. I'm I'm looking at the Lakers can't shake the fact that Lebron Davis succeeded the same position for and if they're going to they're going to play together ideally so you'd want Davis to play the five or he doesn't WanNa play the five view on the four so then you signed Javale McGee and boogie cousins they're going to split time can't play those guys together Sonam and have Lebron Davis boogie cousins or jail the three of them playing together. That seems a little weird because you basically have to have Davis defending the other teams best forward offensive for the other. Two guys are GonNa do it well. Where do Kyle Kuzma Danny Green play then all right maybe Buick by Danny Green and to guard? I can't play Khouzina there. <hes> I also have Casey P.. N. Jared Dudley those guys. Are you know to their small forwards are there too but then asks have Rondo Bradley. They Quinn Cook outs crusoe. I just can't figure out they have one two six eight. They've twelve guys I think at least Hannah those guys are going to be expected to play in their best lineup of <unk> said who your best five guys is probably Lavar the Brian Davis Boogie Kouzmin Danny Green with Lebron at point guard so he who's guarding dame lower Danny Green I he's just I can't wrap my head about the around this roster and I don't. I feel like there's one more trade coming with Kouzmin. Now people think KOUZMINES GONNA sign with Clutch and people have thought that's going to happen for awhile and he just got rid of his agent and had seems like coups ms in on the clutch wagon but I can't like Bradley was one of the worst offensive players in the league. The last two years Rondo really has not been reliable for five years Quinn Cook Okay. I guess this year eleventh man may be Caruso. Dance metrics are pretty good on Caruso playing meaningless games but <hes> not a Casey P fan. I just can't I can't figure figure this team out and if you're playing Lebron Davis Boogie then Kuzma's the odd man out at that point and Kouzmines playing for I think a contract extension or no not a kind of a year from now contracts that you but I don't know it's a weird team. I have the same feeling about it that it it with Philly last year. We're just seems like there's a piece missing or their one move away from being more interest than they are now all right <hes>. If you WANNA email any meal back question says do it do the mail bag at the ringer all right so this Kevin Costner. I really wanted to go two hours of them. I made the mistake of not seeing how much time we had beforehand and it turned out. I think we had like seventy five eighty minutes something like that so I'm going to have to bring him back. Yeah as you'll hear at the end he's going you have to come back but he came on to promote yellowstone which is just a juggernaut. I think it is the most watched show this summer it season two. It's happening right now. You can watch it you can catch up on old episodes but he's on it and he's obviously the biggest Arnett and he's one of the biggest stars the last thirty five years. I've been dying to have him. Come on you'll hear all the stories of our background and <hes> man this is Great Kevin Kevin Costner right now but waiting for this for like five years even came to a great land anniversary party. That's like I gotta get you on a podcast seemed mildly relatively interested not not really then I saw you last year and more realistic and now you hear what was the person was a party so you kind of go in. Let's say also understand. I was raised with wolves. What's a podcast yeah? I can tell at the anniversary so you're cutting off. We're going to like drink something. I don't know what's a pod. I mean you know there's a whole bunch of nomenclature something you know with with stuff in and you go. I'm here to my kids. What what is that so podcast was really? I'm not sure you basically did a podcast at my house at the anniversary party because it was like five of us and we're just asking questions at the end. I was like this is what a podcast would be like well that was worth. It was worth no dinner was I knew do we knew we were headed for each other. Yeah it was going to happen yeah. It was bound to happen and you. You live outside L. A. C. don't come in that often. You've been would Santa Barbara like forever. I went out well. I went out there fifteen years ago. I you know I I'm married a second time and <hes> you know sometimes women. They really help you with things I would. It was a beach pad and I bought it between revenge. In Phila- dreams had a nightmare experience up there you know had four days in between weenies movies long story but <hes> where I stayed my kids weren't rose bushes there and all kinds of is like this wasn't relaxing at all and I kinda made my first movie star thing I I I called up a realtor and I said <hes> Hey I I got I I need to see property on the beach and the guy goes. I WANNA see houses and I I don't WanNa Railroad. I don't WanNA wrote. I want like walk on the beach and they do you want to see this. I said I like see it today and and <hes> and they said we can't do that but let me look at some lessons. Can you go tomorrow. We'll tomorrow. I bought that place <hes> that same day and looked at five and bought it just it was I could flex where I never cricket flex financial. I need this and with started to go ever since and when I finally met my my second wife we would go up there and she did this really simple thing. She said <hes> why why do we <hes>. Why are we going back to L._A.? On Sunday night why we doing that yeah I will be because I I work. She'll have work tomorrow. No but I have to do meetings. She said what kind of meetings and I'm going to keep thank God she goes she goes. Don't you think those same people come up here. Oh yeah because he's pretty powerful point. Well it which you know your powers always in if you think that's what you think I mean I. I felt like I could flex suddenly now I can flex. I kinda hate that personality to begin with yeah. Yeah you know I don't like I don't like that to begin with. I always thought I kind of had power just the power to say no but the but the thing that she did come into my life. Is You know if you're conservative. You think you have something to do on Monday. When if you're brought up in a blue collar backroll I go to work and she goes she just kind of opened? My eyes like the scales came off and she did it real jelly and it was like why are we going back she just because you think he's supposed to be back on Monday. Because I grew up in a family where he had one week vacation and then my dad worked twenty years he got the second week yeah and your go to back to work on Monday. I remember that go wow we're in yosemite why we going but what we had do because that's what my dad did and she looked at me and she goes why don't we settled Tuesday and we did and we started where she kind of. I mean I should have been old enough to think for myself but it took her to Kinda do that and then and and then when we got married we we moved up there and we've been there for fifteen years and I wake up on the ocean every day. I was flipping channels two weeks ago in nightshift was on with Michael Keaton and Henry Winkler is one of my favorite eighties movies and was the move made Michael Keaton his star. Yes you're in this movie. You're in the morgue. There's a big party in the morgue after they have all these call girls and there's Kevin Costner right <hes> one of the Frat guys <hes> helping somebody do like a beer chug or something. This is like nineteen eighty two. It was at your first break. It was not so much for I tell my first break was when I finally started to listen to myself and when you come from a conservative background you're always kind of a pleasing mode rock the boat my brother was in Vietnam last thing I wanted to be a pain in the ASS. Thanks so I kinda grew up playing by the rules playing by the rules going to go that particular direction and one day I thought I I really needed to think for myself now. Most people listening Kaji Cab I. We all think for ourselves but I didn't sometimes I wanted to please yeah and I knew I needed to get out of that business and chase my own. Thanks so that was probably the biggest break ever had my life was I actually had internal conversation. I said you can't just be pleased and everybody the rest of your life. You have to do what you know you can do and they'll know when and and go that direction but did you know you wanted to be an actor. You Know Guy News now no but I I knew it was a storyteller and if I kind of retrace the breadcrumbs in my life I see you know I grew up doing music and the best church I grew up doing poetry. I grew up writing stories stories so if I look back but the reality was I never I thought people that were on the screen. Were born on the screen compute that you could just do something. I also came from the background that if you're going to do something you'd have been taking drama in high school. I said well. The people did drama in high school. Were nerds like I didn't WanNa hang out of it went to cal state fullerton. Yeah I found myself want the breadcrumbs again. I wandered into that theatrical department. Everybody was barefoot. Everybody smokes cigarettes. Everybody sat cross-legged landed on the floor the very Bohemian thing and I thought I'm not interested in that either that kind of you look the part yeah and so I kept brushing up against it been being pulled back away from it but finally when I look back I said and I I can do this. I I like the storytelling thing and I'm GonNa. I'M GONNA burn my ships. I'm I'm burning my ships. I'm so the big show was then you're next big break and then you get cut out you get cut out but I want to go back to that thing you mentioned about <hes> nature nightshift because there's some kind of interesting happened there. Yeah I <hes> <hes> I was asked to go down and read. There's a movie being cast in Hollywood and <hes> I was stage manager at Raleigh Studios and I was asked if I could go and I said well you know I I said and they go look. You'll get your SAG card. I was having a hard time getting my sag card yeah so they said if you go read it was it was for flashdance. I read every girl in town that was up for that role the most beautiful girls young girls and girls that we all know today yeah came through their Demi Moore <hes> Sean young all these different people I mean you've just keep going right down the list and I read Ed. I read opposite but but what you have to understand it was. I was glad I was doing that every day. It was a scene where I was getting slap. The Shit out of and Michael Nouri ended up playing the part <hes> I was never intended to play the part but the big deal it was I got three hundred and twenty five bucks. It was it was scale ad never made that kind of money working at Raleigh studios for three dollars and fifty cents an hour and so I got my sag card the thing that I had been wanting and it's really funny in life. You know you know you if you get your side car. Do you know everybody goes. We'll do a commercial and it's not that easy. Yeah you have to do it. Actually it was Francis where I got it but the reality was because I had my sag card I could do that reading and then right after that Uh. Somebody said they just saw me to go. Hey where you and be we need some extras and we gotta pay him SAG. I did the net flex saying I did France or deny nightshift thing and then a day later they were shooting Francis with Jessica Lang and Sam Shepard separate and I there were they needed another sag that maybe he's going to say something. Maybe he's not. I don't even know my own biography anymore but the reality was probably know better than you within five days I had done <hes> nightshift table. Oh for five and and Francis all for SAG and I just I just kept going three hundred sixty bucks sixty bucks three hundred sixty bucks. It was like four days of it and it was a big deal for me. Yeah it was a really big deal. Did you think the big chill you thought you were going to be in that movie with flashback scenes and stuff right which you filmed yeah I thought I would be and at the end of the day. It didn't make it you know it. I think you're you've lived on Youtube Yeah. There's some deleted yeah but everything happened for me in that particular movie that needed to happen. I was around the right guy the right actors at the right time walling to see too probably the most important not the most important. That's a that's a we are title but she's a casting director. Yes she's tough really tough. I didn't figure a person like her would even like me but she was a force of will for me and in Lawrence Kasdan had just come off the body heat and now he's doing the big chill and <hes> you know a lot of times. Our studio has to approve everybody. Larry was GONNA had any didn't he raiders to like he was he was erode. Continental divide raiders an empire so he was UH history. He's got this but he was he was it and he he really you know is incredible and so now he's doing body was just blew people away. It was so good yeah now he's doing the big show and his cats and all the young actors that are really out of New York out of juilliard and hit and run those all by the student but there was one part that didn't have to run by the studio it was just could be him and at least that's what I was told in Wally kept saying this guy this guy and he gave me the part and everything I kinda based a lot of what I do came out of that experience so not being in the movie people don't understand. I didn't look at my movie as a one and done situation I mean I guess if I was in some state in the movie came in like the circus and they said hey do you WanNa do these lines on the street corner and now I take everybody to theater and that is not in there. Maybe my career but I had a bigger idea about what was going to happen. When I was cast in that movie I actually knew at that moment everything had happened? Yeah regardless what happened with that movie everything that needed to happen for me at that point did well oranmore and they decided to put you in a movie he did. He put me in a second one. He put me in Silverado but it was the the moment I got the part. I knew my life has changed not the moment I filmed it yet. A Moment I went down the red carpet not the moment it's like like listen. People can look at a game until when it's lost true people can look in a season until when it's over you know people can look at a moment and I I kinda choose to look at things really athletic. I even direct wreck with Chalk Board. Sometimes I get into big action scene. Yeah I get a chalkboard out and so you got to be here when this explosions happened this where you've gotta be Bella Check Yeah. This is where you have to be because most people I realize when you're looking the Adam and they're giving you Chin buggies or heads going up and down there really saying quit looking at me. Don't talk to me. I don't know what you're saying. They're doing that and so when that bomb goes off and they don't go and you what the heck happened here. I was really clear with him so I thought I'm not I'm doing this anymore. I'm getting a chalkboard when that goes off your here yeah and then when his head goes up and down. There's a visual he's not frightened but a lot of times young actors or whatever they're doing this but they're they're not getting. They're just thinking. Don't look at me anymore more than you move off. They moved off so Silverado. I remember that one but the one would I the first movie I remember seeing you in was American flyers. Yeah people think breaking ways the best by bicycle movie ever. That's that's a whole it's it's the consensus I'm an American Flyers Guy Interesting. I just love that movie and it was on cable for like two straight years and that's how I saw it was just on H._B._O.. And H._B._O.. Under tension and be like like Papillon when you walked out of there you know ten remember took that extra step number one two three four and then he went that was a great moment in that movie that that thing that really that's like one of those things when a rider hit something so perfectly that you can't explain life in prison and then taking that extra step was like you know I I love the poetry stuff like that so you are like the one of the best bicyclists in the world was the gimmick but you you were dying yeah yeah I really like in crazy shape in the bike. Scenes are like incredible cove in what was it called like the hell on the something Yeah Hell Hell West Helena west of shooting helicopter helicopter shots and like you're doing all those stuff and you're in like crazy shape and that was successful but I think coming out of that people all right that guy so I'm I'm a breaking away fan. I'm a breaking away fan. I'm like a you know it's like I thought that was great but the rider was the same writer the same writer who wrote breaking away Oh yeah yeah and was his name Steve Passage Attache Tesha and and we lost him right away about two years after that but I would have been a friend for life life was something about him. That was <hes> really I really liked him. He was a real deal well when people you know you're obviously the goat for sports movie actors. You've been in what sex could be America. Fires always gets left out after you've been in like six or seven pancake eating draft came around because they actually i WanNa talk about that second. No way out was winning. All took off right. No way out was a movie right right after Silverado had been called by Orion. They want to have a meeting with me so I went and talked with a guy named Eric plus cow yeah it was four guys that really ran Orion Mike Medavoy Bill Bernstein Arthur Krim and Eric plus cow and they'd see Silverado which was of catchy movie. Yeah I had a scene stealing kind of park. You can see it on paper. It's like you know a lot of people go all that person stole stole the movie or whatever that can happen on Broadway lot with really cagey actors in film. It's on paper already you can see unless you're just a dummy I can you can steal this movie and but you're not supposed to steal. You're working with everybody. You can tell what the flashy rollers Silverado was all of that for me. That was an what did you think about that when you started writing stuff like creating roles like that for people. No I think about it. You just know it but you know you want that to happen. When I'm a leading man I I need people to do the dance? I've always embraced the idea somebody stealing healing or seed stealing. Thanks because I know where I stand I know yeah works and <hes> but that particular movie <hes> I knew had that kind of juice on it and so I get a call from Ryan so let's come. We'd like to talk to you about movies as you know and and they pointed out some movies to me and all of them. I didn't really really care for and I said I said but if you really want to do something I did read a movie that I liked and they said what was it and I said it was this movie over at Warner. Brothers called finish with engines and they said why I said it's it's. It's it's it's really good. I said I'd do that movie with you and so they read it and they liked it finished with engines enable term for shutting down the engines you see on the titanic full ahead one third those brass. Thanks yeah well at the very bottom of the naval terms is slashing it says finished with engines when you turn them off that became no way out. Oh Wow so it was a movie I had found and <hes> and said to them. I'll make this movie and. So they did and that movie came out really well but they did. They did an interesting thing that movie was shot before untouchables and so I went right from no way out to untouchables and what happened was Orion was not it was is called mini majors kind of smaller movie. Although they were making Oscar movies yeah they didn't have the kind of dough that the big studios had and so they looked at it and they go. We're GONNA let untouchables come out first and then I came out they held it and then came out about two months later. Oh Wow I don't I feel like now looking back. I was thought no way Oh Kim I but I yeah but they but they played and I and I was thinking what's going on here where they will. They're going to let that well. I like no way out I think it'll work but they a play that and used the drum roll that came with that movie and rolled into no way out so they played they played an interesting chess game with that movie and no as one of those move. It's always on cable Stelle even all these years later <hes>. It's just one of those movies that is always gonNA work. Yes spy thing with the twist at the end and it's just somebody somebody young that flashdance thing. Oh Yeah I met Sean and I thought this girl is classically beautiful. Girl looks like girlfriend the forty s you know what I mean like those black and white traditional headshots she looked she looked like that and I I remember her and I and I mean people thought she was going to be a plus lister. Some little Iraqi right always go the way she probably wanted but she was perfect for us and she was perfect in that movie now you know so but I but then in untouchables urine with Deniro connery and all of a sudden you go from four years you you get cut out of a movie with Deniro Connery. Yeah that's pretty crazy yeah that was that and and then then at that point. I knew I was going to direct and people were thinking. I didn't direct yet but I was already headed that way because I worked at Raleigh I studios down here on Bronson right across from that's what I knew I was going to do and sometimes people said well. You know you you know you know whether you're moving kind of quick and I'm thinking what are you talking about. I've been waiting forever to do this. It didn't emerge as eighteen year old. I didn't have that moment that risky business moment of going across and you know being it was later but that was a function of me deciding in my senior year in college at this is what I was going to do you you know they always say that about celebrities that the Mo the age you become famous as the age your trap that and if you become famous when you're older it's a huge advantage. I think Clooney said I think this is like a clooney. Thing because clooney was always like the best thing ever happened to me is when everything hit for me. I was like twenty nine thirty one. It's kind of word that's Kinda weird hit hit for me and and <HES> and you wanted earlier trust me. You're deserving of it. You think you're better than everybody else. That's out there. You're you can't figure rottweiler. It's not whatever but it's it's a big thing but as I was working at Raleigh I was always thinking I'm I'm GonNa direct so what happened was as this kind of my trajectory was moving the way it was moving. I had that was in my mind line. You're thinking like this is all leading to me. Get in touch with man movie yeah but what was your experience with fame as it like ballooned all the side of the net you went from you just walking down the street. I will now the Guy Bugler staring so you know I it's funny I I I one of the first things I went was asked you by Mike Medavoy said would you want. I'm going to go to this lifetime. He was busy. He'd have to go to all these functions around. I didn't even know the terms of things on the night of my Oscar. I didn't go to spargo's or these places and I think I pissed a lot of people but had no idea that you were supposed to yeah. I people have no idea that I didn't really even know about the world except that I just wanted to tell stories yeah. I didn't know the culture of it. I didn't yeah no the whole thing that that you make the rounds. I didn't know it was going to happen with our movies so I got a restaurant with a hundred people that that that worked on the movie and and Got Sixty seventy tickets for the Oscar and said well we'll be together so I never made the lap our economy that fucking cost Yeah Premadasa. I had no idea I was sure they weren't GonNa let my fifty friends in dry and and <hes> but I didn't know that that was a thing that you did so you know. It's really really really strange. I forgot where we were at that. Were basically like when when the trajectory flipped well you know I think maybe what Georgia saying too. It's like. I wasn't that impressed. I was just anxious to keep working yeah. That's where I was playing. I that's how I I played myself out but the first time <hes> I was saying that I went to a function Mike Medavoy asks me. He said Hey I'm GonNa go to this lifetime achievement award. I had no idea what that was. I know it must have lived in a cave I saying so I go to the Beverly Hilton or something they do. Golden Globes her and it was for Gregory Pack and Yeah I knew he was up to a was and I remember walking in in bulbs going crazy a flashing I mean blinding and I walked in and <hes> I I don't think no way out had come out yet and not a camera went not a camera went but I went and watched one of the great ones one one of the greatest of all for sure <hes> he really is and that was impressive to me and four or five women who had worked with him during the course of his curse stood up and talked and that part I kind of in love with the the poetry that our business can be not at not. It's not always necessarily is I love the I'm romantic about what you know we can do and what we can be. 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It's like a chocolate bar with like big. I mean they just continue to delight me with all the stuff coming but check this one out. Go Hazel Nutty and try the New Eminence Hazelnut spread chocolate candies today was that it was there some point where you just felt. Oh you get any movie wanted. 'cause everybody has that run when they come like red hot. Did you have word like projects just getting thrown at you know they were. They were being which one do listen I <hes> I postponed the answers because I didn't. I didn't have my ending right yeah. I didn't have it right and I didn't WanNA shoot and then <hes> and I saw the movies I put in front of it were field of dreams revenge and because I waited because I knew that the ending wasn't right. I watched really really carefully a much probably more than I I was. I was always educating myself but in a way that gun had gone off and I go. I'm going to be directing this time. Next year. Yeah and I really was watching enclose <hes> and so people we skip Durham. Though <hes> we skip all during the didn't go bull Durham field of dreams yeah revenge and dances yeah I was but I really focused on <hes> yeah. The the field of dreams wasn't supposed to happen. I you know it just wasn't supposed to happen. I <hes> it was a movie that was <hes> GonNa go the same time as revenge and basically revenge just kept getting postponed postponed Poland and I finally you know I just said to them. Look I read this little movie about the corn and I really like it and if you don't sort this out I'm going to do that and it was a ray stark legendary producer <hes> tough guy said I'll Sumaya and I said I know I know that's that's kind of what comes out of your mouth and <hes> and reminded him at some point that he was a smart guy. Aren't you smart Guy Yeah and I said you need to figure this out because you stretch me too much so I did those both of those particular movies and that's when I came to dances and again we've woven a tail and I think I've forgotten the kernel of what what <hes> foster this well. I thought oh the choices were really cool. Though what's you know just the movies you picked Oh. You said you said movies any anyone you want yeah. 'cause you do buy movies in a row which is supposed to have yeah. I didn't think that was very good idea on my part heart but I but they were undeniable to me. Yeah they were just undeniable and I and I believe I'm a script guy and I don't believe in the elements I believe in the script and so when you read the Bull Durham script you must have gone nuts and that it was it was it was we didn't change a word yeah. I've had about ten scripts like that. We're really Aurora which is probably maybe maybe eight more than most people. Were there always manipulating him. I've read some. I've been a part of some things that just didn't change change because they were written and written and rewritten and I guess what written unwritten means to you can do to catch me if you can't. We'll edit that but the idea of doing anything I want yeah and I remember four so I postponed answers and then I got now. Those two movies were over and now is prepping. This movie couldn't get the money on nine million bucks overseas both movies to American movies. I Made <hes> open range and and and <hes> dances with wolves I couldn't get a made it I hear and I money came from overseas. Dances did open range crazies. You couldn't get dances bad. You'd had like seven hits at a row yeah it was they didn't want to make it so it was like okay. I'm GonNa make what would they just thinking like that like now. We're seeing hundreds. Here's the problem was me because I did tell them that it was going to be long. I told them ahead of time. I said it's going to be three hours. I told everybody because I went through the system twice <hes> finally on the last one at Warner Brothers when they said we'd really like to do this but the when he did the subtitles and I and they go we it's going to be long. It's going to be three hours and it's going to be subtitles. We'd really like to do this with you but we really. We don't think we can't one and two guys who are my friends to this day. Were really helpful my career. They said no to me and I said just before I walked out the door was in with Jim was my partner. I said Oh I probably should let you know about one other thing and I said what's what's that I go. I Ha I need need to have final cut and and I got up and walked out and as I walked out my producing partner if that was the door and there's big roundtable and wonder but since we've got another side door and I use this for inspiration and in thirteen days actually <hes> as soon as we got outside the door the door shutting because what was that about the end to talk like that 'cause they're wondering what was that about like what was what about. He said the final cut thing yeah I would you you say final set and I said well then you hear him. He goes what he goes they. They don't know that the subtitles are really important to the sense of humor. I said and they don't know that the length is really not intentional. That's just how long the story goes I said how can I let my film go to this place. If we don't have final cut yeah and then we walked down the hall. I mean you hit their seventeen ways. That film could have gone wrong. If you didn't have final cut right they could woody. We took out our listen. It could've gone wrong with me because I was the only one that could ruin it once. I decided to make it because I had a great script now. I'm thinking this is a great script. I'm but I don't have a lot of experience here so you know <hes> and you had to job also be the lead actor was that the directed always amazed when anyone can do that is really hard. I don't remember what your performed bill haters. Yeah friends is Bill Hader. Who's doing that now? At Barry where he's directing allow the episodes he's writing rated them but he's also performing in it and he said it really took him a couple episodes just to figure out how to just become these different people set. We're I'm I'm in charge but now I'm acting my problem was I. I give myself too few takes eggs. I kinda like do it and then I start to move on and volume I producing parts that you need to give yourself more takes. You're just you're not. You're not rushing anybody else except yourself. <hes> that's interesting. You know you don't rush yourself. You know and I need like an offensive coordinator coordinator to just get you to get do section eight yourself another. You know whatever you do. Don't rush yourself because I was like sometimes seen wasn't over. I go that's great. We got that and it was like I realize the cameras on me. I'm looking at everybody else we U._S._O.. You'd hit this point and I wanna go backwards to talk about the do baseball moves in second you would hit this point heading into that movie where people are like Oh fuck. This guy is getting direct a three hour western and you could well. None of them knew it was three hours but they were saying fuck this guy for some reason factor that goes back to your core question you said. Could you do anything you want it. What happened was right after field of dreams in revenge I get offered hunt for Red October and I seriously yeah and you've been good in that? I had to say no because Eh go what and Mace Newfield who I got <hes> no way out made he was the guy but I won't movie wasn't getting made it was in turn around. He was the producer of of I think of a hunt for Red October and pay me five million dollars dollars. That was like four million dollars more than I'd ever been paid. It was also I was thirty was also in the whole <hes> with having put my own money in a- dances so I'm thinking to myself yeah. I'd like to hunt for Red October or to have five million dollars. Get it but I gave my word. I'm doing this movie and that set off somewhere drum wall that I turn my back on that and now I'm out there doing some movie. That's just going to tank that started the drum roll from from somewhere. I don't know who did it why but it was me being arrogant enough to say notify million but it wasn't saying no to that I would have suggested that one hundred thousand times but I had already said yes to something else and I wasn't as long as you put your own money in depth wolves. Yeah try not to do that well. I know I listen. I I like it. I'm a big bet on myself guy one more good deal and we're both probably in. I've had to do that and I did that there. I mean that movie cost sixteen million dollars. Yeah it was a lot but identity put in sixteen. I it's funny that era of so late eighties early nineties was air of movie coverage. You'd Premier Magazine by magazine is out there you had New York magazine was writing about stuff. It was I remember reading all the stuff being in college and it was the first time I was aware of the different narratives not never knowing what was true and one of the I remember reading about like costumes making this western directing thing is n. p.. I remember like the kind of snark wasn't even with it and and then it became obviously but I didn't hear the good news was I didn't hear about that. Till I came home. I was out in South Dakota for a hundred and eight days. She's most movies are like fifty sixty. Hey well I was this movie was taken it. You know it was like I had to you know I. I only went like three percent over budget. Even I went over all those day. You've really been in a lot of states. Yeah you even Iowa South South Dakota Colorado. You'd probably have the most interesting map of where well. If you do a sequel you go to the same state if you do those things are gonNA end up in the same places but I you know we go but let's go backwards second to <hes> Bull Durham Yeah Yeah was crash. Davis how much of Crash Davis was crash. Davis Script Crash Davis and how much of it was Kevin Costner taking the crash Davis D._N._A.. Yeah Well Ron Ron Ron split that up but but the the point was I never changed the dialogue because it always felt like that was like kind of Alternate Universe Kevin Costner in that movie now. You've just been a minor league baseball player. That was yeah. Well you know the one the one thing I got from boulder my bought that car the garage green that Greece shell say seriously. I got put that thing on Ebay you could you could make hunt for Red October to fund it. Yourself could make some dumb. That's so funny yeah. I wonder what that thing is worth earth l. well especially if it's the Bull Durham car yeah it is. That's worth like seven hundred thousand dollars yeah then we'll make a movie these days now indy won't make a movie but the Shelton you know he he he's he's he's. He's this toughest guy ever want to meet and he's just got this heart of a poet and <hes> you know he went he played against <hes> he played with Grit and Baylor and Baltimore Yeah Organization but you know he was always kinda right in the back back in the bus and and he wrote that he wrote that thing and it was just let her perfect and it was <hes> it was I you know like field of dreams. I knew that was great but no one was going to make that either because I'll tell you what happened. We tried to make it. We were like a couple of hookers on Santa Monica for Newmont trying to I was going to everybody. I didn't go to Orion where I'd already made two movies with why why not go there well there was a couple of reasons one. They had two other baseball Palmer had dangerfield's a scout and they had a good and but the point was they're not gonNa take on a third movie so I didn't want to kind of push my fans into it. I thought Oh so we went around and <hes> no no one would do it. No one would do it. <hes> finally Fox are going to do it but they do it for four million. That's what we needed six million dollars to make this movie but they had worked at so low that Ron was just looking at me then and I get offered <hes> everybody's all American which I really liked and I said to Ron. I go Ron. We you know I I liked this movie. <hes> although it changed and I there was parts of it that I didn't like it anymore on paper but I wanted to do everybody's all American but I said I'll stick with you but we can only go through this a little bit more so we still didn't have any success. I decided I called the guys Orion. I said listen <hes>. This is a baseball movie. I said it's Thursday. I said it's Great <hes> I know you're. I know you're foreign guy. Say there's no upside in this movie yeah I said I think it's great and I said but you're going to have to tell me tomorrow. At noon on Friday -Oday those Eric Guy The guy that I talked to about Silverado right and about five minutes to noon he called me said we'll do it and they took Bull Durham. I mean that's purely we want to stay Dan the Kevin Costner business. I would guess yeah I maybe I maybe I should have led with that but I kept saying the movies great movies great and they're going move next movie will for you because it was a great part. It's become an iconic sports movie but but more importantly you've got to show off your baseball yeah. It was an era where before before that movie most times when people are in a movie it was usually an actor. They were shoehorning into sports movie who couldn't actually carry it. Everybody was so impressed like you look catch I had. Yeah I had a I had a thing happened on you know he went out and cast all the teams and that we would play against and they were all like a AA AAA players and they all came to the Park Bull Durham Park and there so there was sixty guys up there and they they were dividing thank everybody established that they could play but they're all having hitting practice and I was really ducking my turn. I was just thinking Jesus. I I was just kind of ducking my turn and it was a big part Grady Richardson who actually coached the Atlanta Yeah <hes> yet he was the minor interleague guide who's in in Phila- ninth grader Varsity baseball tried. Just go up there. I you know I hadn't really even worked out but I <hes> I I remember finally I was like wow and I finally got to the point where I did and nobody gave a shit who who was hitting yeah but when I went up there I could feel everybody kind of just stop talking because it was fifteen guys and right. There were six guys here whatever and they're like Oh. Here's something something that happened. That never happened to me before number one. I I went up there. I was really really nervous. That's not what never happened before but I was really nervous and I'm and I remember the first pitch came and <hes> <hes> I fouled it. <hes> I found it straight down but I found it and <hes> which was which was the inspiration for me to just dribble that ball out and field of dreams. It just dribbled out. Oh yeah that's funny yeah. I remember telling the director on Philip Dreams I said I said wouldn't it be better if I said it's really hard to miss a ball when you throw it up in the air. It's one of the hardest things to do as miss something on purpose I can drop something legitimately. Drop it but to drop something on purpose. Even Olivier can't can't do that. It looks like you dropped it I said but if I hit the ball and when as as the guy playing with shoeless Joe Jackson you WanNa hit it out there for them you really want to and I so I said rather than miss it. What if I top this ball all and it just dribbles out six feet where I have to go get it and he goes you can do that and I said yeah I play St Paul? I can yet so I did that. That was the inspiration but that same thing happened to me right there. On Bull Durham I take a swing and I hit and where I should have been humiliated. I wasn't I was thinking shit man. They say okay. I just got somewhat <hes> I just I just tipped out as I I cut. I tipped it so the second pitch I hit what only could beat termed as the soft line drive you'd ever WanNa see just had nothing on it it kind of a number it wouldn't even bent the grass if it hit it but it went to the shortstop out there. There was three or four shortstops because everybody was hanging out he just kind of put his glove open. It was Kinda limply with it had nothing on it right and I stepped out of the box and I go what is wrong with you talk. I had with myself in college that I'm going to do this. I'm going to take control trolling my life. I had right there. Really I said I'm the only guy here has a job. Are you kidding me. I'm I making over a million dollars. I'm the only one here has a job and I stood back in there and something happened. That never happened before and didn't really happen that day. I hit it over the fence at like three sixty five. Wow I never hit a home run in organized baseball all the baseball I ever played. I was never a home run here. I had a couple in the side the part it never hit went on literally in Babe Ruth in highschool never hit home run. I'm twenty eight years old twenty nine years old. I hit my first home run right in front of all these guys and then you have to act cool well I. I didn't have to run on up to run but he hit a home run. That's my and I've I've had these kind of moments in sports and that was a moment yeah so that was the confidence after that yeah well. I had the confidence when I had the talk. It wasn't the hit that are you. Are you taking notes Kyle. This is what you need to do. Just take a deep breath remember. You are the talk time you play Sports self-talk. Okay that thing was what everybody else saw me driving down the freeway after getting the part and big chill my career had changed yeah in the freeway it had changed. I know when I talked to you about when the momentum of something changes you feel it yeah I when I had that talk I was. That's where it happened. The swing was what the swing was what the world gets to see but it's not always defining who you are. Hey let's take a break talk about Google Fi. Doesn't it feel like most phone plans just weren't made with us a mind between bad coverage paint too much for day to you. Don't ever actually using crazy crazy. 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Check that out check out the little special three podcast thing we did on a on the old Halloween on mass feed check out the big picture shot Venezia all that stuff tarantino way. Let's go back to Kevin Costner. Did you cook with Susan Serandon Way. Pardon me did you click with Hereto the interesting. How does that work with actors? Sometimes it's tell you what you want to see a heavyweight fight. There was a heavyweight fight there and I'll tell you what it was. This part was as good as crashes part yeah that her part was as good as crash new CATA fabulous part but but that was a that was a career changing part for someone and it came down to two actors and I'm not gonNa tell you who the other I'll come on thirty years now I can't because because the reality is it broke my heart because I knew and the person went up for it was really good. Yeah really good sexy smart actress and I thought these two women both if viewer beginning actress you don't even stand a chance against them because what was on the line. There was a second half of a career yeah a second career and Serandon came in and Ron had to choose between two oh great actresses and Serandon got it and I she's in your rated her next eight years or a career but it's so weird everybody's looking at who got it and for some reason I'm looking at this and I'm thinking the other actress because Serandon went on Sean connery run yeah like what Hap- you know. Where's where's <hes> Sean after bond or something? She was always a great actress. She had a really great career. There's this little middle ground and then Bull Durham came along and she just showed everybody who she was for the next twenty five years yeah that was that big a role and so I kind of go through this business looking sometimes not at what everybody else I was looking at well. She somebody who won. I'm looking. I'm looking at like look who loss what yeah you know what I mean. I see a different narrative a lot of times and what I see she somebody that almost like an athlete was like a lottery pick like she'd been in a couple of really good movies a little bit earlier and then as sometimes happens with actresses. Sometimes you a couple of the wrong parts there's less parts and then she can go five years in that Avak exactly but that was a <hes> that was a that was a complete so I'm always cognizant of that. When I'm giving parts that you change lies because member Atlantic city with Burt Lancaster she was like you you left that guy? She's a star doesn't right. Sometimes you know get the performed but that girl was like felt like a best friend. Can you explain the Tim Robbins throwing motion to me so he did. He throw out his arm what happened. It's a movie listen he he you know I you know I don't it's just hard to buy that. He's starring ninety nine miles an hour with no of course not of course not you see that perfectly but that's that's what's so interesting about sports yeah about thing because understand something Olivia. If he can't really pitch he might be the greatest actor that ever lived he ain't GonNa make it and the icefall movie and and even the non athlete can look at somebody who is not an athlete and can tell. There's something undeniable about that Tim. Tim played the role but you can't really always fake baseball. You just can't do it. It's it's it's it's it's a there's a reality thing there but ron totally supported him and he was everything we needed him to be but it but but but you're not wrong about you know you see or what you saw. You can't throw nine anyway. I threw eighty four. Would you throw in for love of the game. Were you hit it for that was eighty four well. You're older than though yeah we really. Were you forty at that point. You must have been over forty. Yeah rickie green was the empire. He's the one that told me Ricky Rizzo a national he was a professional baseball <hes> ref yeah and a empire and I happen uh-huh. I tried to be careful with all those young guys because they were out of the farm system to I brought my friend Augie Garrido in to play the manager of the Yankees Yeah and then he would also go pick the other athletes that would play in the movie movie that weren't Abdin have really speaking roles so Augie came and and and and he did all that and I was real conscious because a lot of these guys you know had an opportunity at careers you know and I'm the last thing I needed to do was hit them because I was getting revved up in front of a crowd and throwing and hitting them. How many people at the at those for love of the game did you? How many extras were they probably three or four thousand five thousand? Maybe not that I mean I don't we moved him around yeah. There's a couple of stories there that you can't believe a key but anyway with with that thing I never I was talking about two three hundred pitches a day for about eighteen days. It's one of the great pitching performances in the history of baseball. I don't know how you didn't blow your rotator cuff house and pain and richly the Chili Davis came back and I was I was in a thing because good God what's happening in this guy just came back from the world series and I was in there and the blood was pumping that my heart on everything I finally just vomited. The pain was so great and chilly goes. What are you guys doing and they were doing everything wrong long? We ended up getting the manage the actual trainer for the Yankees and I hope I'm not talking out of school here but the reality was this guy came to my rescue. I started having to take a little bit of stuff. Yeah I had to start to take a lot out of stuff some recovery well just two yeah. There's no recovery you weren't getting suspended where that was my point on the last night and I'll tell you that story I use David Cone and <hes> so I was still in that many pitches and I was also getting juiced up to yeah and on the last day we decided we were going not inside. We knew we were going to do. We're going to simulate the whole game day into night starts in a day and a night six cameras all the same cameras that the ATV at that time was actually covering major league baseball all the same angles so it was like a real real gas you think it's some of the best baseball footage ever done and by that time thanks and by that time <hes> everybody knew the game. Everybody knew the pitches. Everybody knew what each battery was supposed to do but I was going to have to go out and pitch for about five and a half hours six hours and so I get the trainer and I said Cy Young in the eighteen hundred S. I said I got him and I said Hey look what if you had had a player who has never gone up play again David Cone this is his last game needed a game. You didn't want to do certain things but David says you need to do it. I need to do this thing. I said. I'm not going to get through. This and I said whatever we've been doing. How this dose has been going up yeah we have to we have to go higher? I said I have to I have to you know what I have to do now because he didn't even know how movie work by now he'd seen what I've been going through. I said I can't get through this. I said Said we have to I said I need couple green ones. I need the blue and I said I need one that you haven't brought out yet. I need whatever you haven't brought out yeah. Look I'll take it later and because this isn't a day and I looked at a serious I said I need to do this because I can't not go anywhere any were there. Six cameras were going through the night and Steve looked at me and he's like okay and so we took him <hes> he put a bunch on my arm wrap. My arm was going to start in a daylight and I start to go up the steps and the last thing he says to me as I'm walking up that steps he said you're going to growl at a few people and I'm thinking how hyped up am I going to be but that that was his word smell. Never forget him. You're going to growl at a few people and I remember that scene where almost hit that guy yeah <hes> in the one pitch I almost blow the perfect game by throwing them you know and he starts complaining. I come off that mountain. I'd it's like if you ever look at that thing like you said something. I don't know what some of the staff I came about. Fifteen yards ten jahre twenty down the mountain when you're when you're dead serious about something you walk off guy throws me the ball here and I just never stop and go back. Go back to the mound but you're going to growl. A little bit was <hes> was what happened with that movie unbelievable. I mean the most amazing thing about that. Is that nobody in charge of that movie movie thought hey is it a good idea to have costumes for two hundred pitches a day for eighteen straight days. How does Brill baseball work like? Where was the baseball Cy Kinda I? I knew how baseball worked I just kind of looked at argues it was like on are you guys getting world class athletes to come to Texas and it's like it is what it is but <hes> it just what it was it just what it was and I never had a a better time and and I in fact I had this one crazy moment in that game <hes> where the cameras like you asked how many extras where we moved them around xers out there they were outrageous. They had gambling going on at prostitution going on because they were there all night long they the you know the they use cardboard cutouts to make the crowd look bigger. They cut holes down where they're deal was unable to be there on her deal. Be Out you know and you know no one's really knowledge saw but the I that's what they were doing chase. They were out of control there where people that basically said hey do you wanna make a hundred and fifty bucks and on anybody in the street near Yeah and they were the ones that are in the stand and I had been really good to them really good in these people. I was throwing balls in there constantly. I funded them up. I throw it up into the upper deck to them. I was doing all this stuff. I was a little bit cranky to and and other people were stiffen them but I for eighteen days I kept those people happy I really did and now for whatever reason <hes> in the simulated game I think it was that night might not have I think it was a guy hits a a big pop fly down the third base line between the dugout and the line line and I start to move on it because I just you just move on a ball and big leagues. They let the third baseman get it. They let the catcher get it. I kinda went this way and <hes> none of those guys go after it and now I'm kind of in in this middle ground so I just kinda run over a little farther about ten feet from the dugout and all the crowd happened to be right there they weren't over here. They went over here. They were they were right there. I catch the ball in it's like you know I get a little the tennis club because I catch it shouldn't it's not going to ever be in the film because <hes> was in. Its wasn't part of that guy that batters thing so I start walking back and as I walked back somebody in the crowd says you know you know and and there was something in me they they yell the Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah and it was like I was almost stepping over the line like Burt Lancaster go back and pitch and I stopped I turn around and I walked right back to are these five thousand people who are all kind of what's going on because he heard the guy say that non right at the base of the dugout and I go I said something like <hes> I said you know and everybody was like really quiet and then it was kind of like a bummer to the whole thing eighteen days and I never okay now turn to go back to the mound and they all turned on me really bad now. I'm like you know if this was a Coliseum as Oh my God Ah Billy Chapel ha-kyu fucking trap on I'm thinking I'm walking back and I go. Why did I even go over there? What the Hell I eighteen days just like Wash Death Ballet Chapel but I you know that whole thing going on on and I'm thinking wow so I get back on the mound? Look over there. I thought it same thing happens. Big Pop fly of Major League pop fly right over in that same place. I take off running again there. I'm not even thinking now the third Baseman catcher they don't move either again now. I'm in the middle ground. I really can't back out the ball's coming down there. Fuck you bill at job and I'm looking and I'm thinking Oh my God. I'm right here in front of these people again and I go catch up behind your back and I think I can't do that. I haven't done that since his high school. Just catch up on that. They're going to be miserable. I put my hand behind my back and the ball within it went in to the glove. I kid you not ten feet from this crowd right at the thing. I don't even know why did 'cause my chances are being humiliated way greater than catching it. I'm just telling you but it was that it was that ten seconds it was that talked in college. It was at thing you got a job at Bull Durham. Get up. There and it's like you know whatever where I go just do it and I want like that and went in the oxygen went out. No one said a thing I catch the ball. I just look at them. Look at that guy I turn around. I walked back and all the crowd turned on him. Go Fuck you pillage you donate calling him these vulgar vulgar just turn on this guy who was like this and I'm walking back in it could've gone just is unbelievable. It was a weird moment home and it was more like what are you care. Stick your glove out and went in and then they're filming the movie and sequence basically and you're actually dying on the mound like Billy Chapel and they vince go is going here is billy chapel. He can barely throw it and they're cutting to you and you look like you're dying on the mound because you actually are bill Vince Gully when I went to see him do that. He's amazing in that movie. Let me tell you kind of his best performance ever other than like backstory hitter I wouldn't saw him come narrate and he narrated rated the the last inning because it wasn't you know they didn't do it at that point and he was down there in Santa Monica and I went in with the director and the director is like okay. We're GONNA want you to do kind of this and it's kind of like they're taking a look at this. You know you know take a you know this is this is how long hitting it let me see it so the kind of showed it to him. It was like probably a seven minute sequence or whatever and then goes okay well. Let's just let's just run it now. Billy Chapel forty years and he's add living. I'm telling you he you know Willie. Live will go on his life or the life itself and he said don't tell anybody that forty doesn't hit. He's like going there right. He gets he gets to the end and he looks at the direction goes. You know how was that and and we're like like how is an director I remember saying Rabi looked and he goes that was unbelievable and he goes well. You want to do another one and and Bingos what and he goes well. Maybe you just want to do another one and it was a fair request but then then is like an essay is like Whoa what and he goes well. Maybe we'll just get something different and and Bingos of course and he did it again and there was these other things that came up and <hes> I met him two times you know I I met him earlier. In my career before I even maybe had one credit. It was at lakeside at the golf course and there was a bunch of men out there and like I didn't really play golf and I maybe once a year with the father in law and he was in that thing. You're not GonNa let me be late for Kimmel or you know what time they Kim cool what time I don't know I don't care about Jimmy Thirty I care about this is so much more fun so anyway. I'm out there playing golf and he's in this for some. Maybe I made it odd but no one saying anything anything right. I mean they're all playing. I'm just struggling doing the best I can but the third hole. I'm just being really quiet. I've known him my whole life and white grew up with them. Yeah and he looks over at me. Goes sure your PUTT Kevi. Put a wire on my name your cut covey. That's never happened before. I'm guessing my dad okay sure Putt Kevi and I went like he just made me feel so great and then I wanted let him to do this and then he asked me to speak at his <hes> retirement which you've just said Yes to immediately you know I said I said No. No No. I don't know if you ever saw as dodger stadium yeah. Did you see it. I did you weren't in it. No I did vote for about ten minutes turned that request down. You don't if you have your shit together. You don't think there's fifty other people that should be talking here. I mean it was going to be you like three. People is going to be Colfax me and Gibson and I said I said there's got to be the hall of fame. You're asking me I'm telling you I've said No. I was turning it down. I said no I said I know there's you know and they came back with a will you be the M._c. and I said No. I said if you want great M._C.. Get cost us. I don't do that either and they came back and said don't then really want you to do it and <hes> and I said well in a said we're looking at you. Just get up there and you'll to do two minutes and I said I said I'm not your guy. I make three hour movies. I said I'm not looking at talk long but if you want me to talk about Vin scully I'll talk till I'm done because I'm GonNa talk for. Everybody and they went like Steve Young. No no Mike Young yeah worked for the dodgers. That guy was great to me. He said you do whatever you want him. You do whatever you want and I said really and he goes yeah whatever you want and so I was able to talk about him and but those were my three times of really knowing him. Let's take a break to talk about W._V._U.. It's an online university. It's changing lives by changing higher higher education. It's an innovative competency based learning learning huddle can't speak was designed specifically to fit in the labs of busy adults W is nonprofit and surprisingly affordable offering bachelor's and master's degrees Zim Business I._T.. Teaching and nursing move through the material you already now spend the time you save learning what you don't which means the faster you demonstrate which no the faster you finish. It's also about half the cost of most other online universities seeking graduate graduated with far less debt or none at all the B._G.. Graduates work in positions of responsibility for leading companies like Microsoft Amazon even the government get your six five dollar application fee waived that W._g.. Dot E._D._U. Slash B. S. that is W._G._N.. Dot E._d._U. Slash bs with the best thing. I've seen you do in that front with the Whitney. Houston thing was incredible. That was an interesting moment to you know that was a that was I've had some interesting moments moments. You know that was <hes> you know it was interesting. It seemed like I had no idea that you guys were close like that. What we weren't close like or like that you had a connection we had a real connection we had a real connection action and it was it it kind of started with the Baptist Church and it started with me seen how how nervous she was entire those stories about her makeup and having changed between the time I say you're going to be okay and then she changed her makeup shakeup and just looked in the exact opposite way that she would have wanted to look so I was able to come at that from that perspective? You know that's an interesting movie. It's aged. It's a very eight ninety s movie. It has one of the great endings of all time and I don't know it's it's just different. I don't even know what the two thousand nineteen equivalent would be who the actors would be but it feels. It feels like a belongs you know orange chasms for script really yeah. He was the first one he sold Hollywood and it sat on the shelf for sixteen years and I saw this movie for you in roll the dice with Whitney and hopes she can act and she was getting it. I felt I felt that she wouldn't be tasked taxed folks too much on meaning. She had to be good but it wasn't all writing on her. I you like it'd be like taking an athlete and putting them in the wrong spot where they can't succeed yet. You just go you you ask too much on the other hand in in this way that worked if we watched their close enough she would be great but if we would have tipped the scale and added some more scenes we she wouldn't have been great right so it was you had to like you have to look at everything. Thank and see how it fits. It's like it just it just have to make you have to have to win with a team you either create or have yeah and you got to you have to look at the reality of that. We didn't talk about field of dreams since which just had its thirtieth anniversary field of dreams thirtieth anniversary was this year. We have a podcast that people I called the Rewatch ables where we broke it down. That's funny <hes> The rewatch of well that's like the ultimate rewards that has certain parts of that movie or like Oh. He's going to get James. Earl Jones admit I'm GonNa Watch these next twenty minutes and it has all these but it's not a gun. It's funny to say such a movie. What's interesting about it? Is it belongs to this era. Uh when we still believed everything good with baseball and then over the next era with <hes> you know you hit the late nineties they had the strike the lockout <hes> then think about that and then you have the steroid right era. I never thought about that way and then it's like 'cause James. Earl Jones has said speech about baseball as a part of US mocks the time and he does the whole thing that it's good and could always be good yeah and it's so you watch that down that prisoners like I remember when we felt this way so adorable yeah but that movie hodges these these names Yeah Mickey Mantle never thought of him as like anything other than just like the handsome center fielder on the ax you know <hes> i Ron Shelton. <hes> <hes> was an airport and he's in a saw Mickey Mantle and <hes> he told me this story F. Forget who told me the story but she's Mickey Man and he goes he he goes Ron. Did you go up to him because no no. I mean that's sports guy. No I don't do that. The old school is just what it is. No I don't who could love Mickey Mantle anymore than somebody like Ron but no no no because he was on Letterman last night and I think that's the story went. I said what are you. What are you talking about because he's on Letterman and could be getting us all wrong but there but this is what you know we're on told me he says and he was going off about the movie bull Durham and and he said something like Letterman was trying to well? No it's funny and he goes no. It's sad 'cause no. It's fun day was yeah and finally then Dave. I guess didn't try Turnham. It goes well. What do you mean because he had a lot of deference to athletes and it really did he? I mean he he didn't suffer fools but he also he also wouldn't try to make Mickey feel weird yeah and <hes> and he goes no the house sad and what do you mean. He goes that guy could really hit and he goes he goes. There's a lot of players that never made it into the National League we they just sat behind guys. The organizations just kept him and his era and his Erin and I and I know part of the reason that that that Ron modeled crash Davis was was a player that <hes> set behind Brooks Robinson and <hes> <hes> won the triple crown in the minor leagues like five years all right and so and they weren't going to give him up that guy now you know is like you know they're did you. Did you think fielder James is going to work. Yes I mean it was said vicious but not massively yeah. It was ambitious in for a little move ambitious for one reason it was like I I I had a real short intake breath when I said we have a catch. I had to remember that moment forever ever because that's how I make decisions about. I'm going to move and I go yeah if we can get to that moment and take that moment where the hair on the back of your neck stands up and where you you you begin to weep and you don't even know why that means. We're going to have to do all these scenes that are almost dopey yeah correctly. They're dopey but we didn't try to wink at it. That was it was real. It was that way and yes and that's what made that movie dangerous hard because it always bordered on dopey to begin with yeah. He's like a borderline lunatic and and then and then and then that's your big ending that's beginning. Let's have a catch and <hes> Phil Robinson Robinson. You know I get so much credit for this but Phil Robinson is a guy who wrote that adapted. I would never would have done that movie based on a pitch. I did it based on the script and I knew the script had gold us on a I didn't know obviously that it would become part of the vocabulary. I didn't know that thirty years later it would it would find its way into the hearts of people the way it did but it found its way into my heart and that's why challenged ray stark on revenge said I'm going to do this movie. In the corn. You know we had like an eight eight-minute argument and when we did the REWATCH pod about why they didn't carry the choking little girl onto the baseball diamond so burt Lancaster didn't have to become burt Lancaster again. Why didn't so she's choking moonlight? Graham has to decide whether he wants yeah. You need that line we settle down but I was just carried around the field then you know it's a good point you just you know and listen movies are filled with those moments and only the best of them. You know you're doing it honorably really when you're laughing at it but especially if you see thirty springs in no time at Ray Ray you know he struggled you had a couple of scenes with him. He struggled in an iconic scene and he was struggling that last night he says there's enough magic up there for free round third. Wrap your arms around yeah thanks. He was struggling at night stirling because he's older. Whatever it was again get the lines he was struggling and he was getting embarrassed and it was at night it was and and it didn't look like he was Gonna get it and he any any went over and he kind of whispered that he was kind of hoping that I would leave the set I think he was embarrassed? Oh and she said No. I said this is is almost perfect. We've got a we've got perfect. I said I'm staying right here. This is fantastic and the director hung in there and Bert finally did it man. This guy really talked with his hands. It's yeah some wrapped in a lot of actors. I said he was very history on it. Yeah he would use his hands and he and he hit it and I knew it was. I was GONNA go anywhere so NAM right here. We're going to get through that you know so tell me Mr Consol is enough magic in the air. One of the things in the research was you had like ten minutes to film the final scene with the way the light was and all the cars and the guy you. You're throwing your dad and he's he's got some glove from like nineteen ten. GotTa catch everything in this car. He's kind of saying that Tim Robbins Bane of things if didn't have a great three great throwing motion he was a catch and bring it down and re Ed incredibly <hes> and carved out at great career over that movie he I read his book. He wrote a book yeah <hes> about Dwyer Brown and I had no idea how the hardships but he has he has traveled the country the last twenty years thirty years talking and he's and he deserves every bit of it because he's such a humble guy but he's that career that that moment for him he has made the most of it and not in a not in a exploitive Loyd of way. It's just he's had heart up. Yeah and I'm so glad it was him now. You know that was another one of my nitpicks after seeing the movie eight hundred times how does Rais not realize sooner his dad's the catcher what's at how does he not realized sooner that his dad's a catcher had this. I know this is the whole point of this interview five years later. They're playing good five back with my ear or he can't. He hasn't realized they then real. I thought more about this and you have Kevin and it's clear this is the point of the podcast. You know what what what is what is what is what is <hes> <hes> <hes> <hes> James Joyce saying you're seeing in an army of therapist. Aren't you yeah Oh no question as to you. You've broken this down so beautifully look for thirty years. You know listen. I got flack about Leo Tanabe hitting left handed. I remember that it was like and I you know who I had out there as they had out there for <hes> the consultant the baseball consultant raw dato. Yeah rod was out there and Hey Tiger you probably met him. If that's that's he called everybody the tiger and you know he was like Oh man Kevi me and you are both going to get killed for this him hit and right handed. I said I got it. I got it and I got it but you know what they would do. Just flip the the beer the mayor Erin. You'd never know do some C._G._I.. Thing or surprise you drilling me on that one now because that's already been people know that would have beat me up on that now that people know that I love I love the we had to give. I love the why not just carry the child out because in a real in a real movie you would do that but in this thing we needed and newsroom needling across Oh my God you said don't do it and it's like Oh my God. You can't go back on my God. We didn't talk about Tin Cup. So you go you you do dances. You do a whole bunch of movies in the nineties yeah and then you get sucked back. You gotta leave since so we gotta do we gotta concentrate just on sports movies. No No Cup was the same thing <hes> Cup was. <hes> you know I just I just come out of waterworld. Just come out of a divorce and I was I was pretty beat up and I said no to ten cup and even though I need more from the divorce from waterworld I love it was hard. It was really one hundred fifty days shoot fifty seven days shoot. It was a lot and <hes> and I I couldn't <hes> I just I loved it but I go. I got a I. I said I'm I'm. I'm just not GonNa go onto another movie. This is one of this is one of the Times where an agent really went and not even my own agent when out on a limb and call me <hes>. There's a woman over at C.. H. Says Kevin I feel like this is a move. You actually need to do yeah me emotionally. Get with your friend Ron. Who protect you who will be with you? Get with him. I don't want I don't want to see anybody else. Play the sky and <hes> she was right she there was some extenuating circumstances she she she understood what I said. She came at me like a really soft backboard and I was able to wrap my arms arms around going off and do that movie and I'll be forever thankful. <hes> you stand by the thirteen to end the movie was thirteen which at what what did he would have on the last hole through a twelve. I always thought that should be our poster greatest twelve in history mystery greatest twelve. It's funny. I didn't like it. The first time I saw that it ended with the twelve. 'cause I just assumed who's going to win. We're conditioned the Heroes GonNa Win The sports movie but now I'm glad to put out the way it did. The twelve was better glad you turn around on that. You have to go. We just have to come back another time. This was fun though right so many other things we could talk about the <hes>. Is this your first podcast. Have you done before I did. One one others do my this is bullshit bullshit. No No. It's <hes> got him a friend of mine well this Jimmy Kimmel's bed funny <hes> they did the man Corolla the that's right. I wasn't that about that yeah that amount to the house and I wasn't. I was mad so you guys like cars like well. He likes cars when I told him I had the car. I don't know cars again though I wanted that car yeah crawl on the other hand goes and he that guy is special I really I really the funniest person I've ever met. I had them up to the house and he's like he's such a solid dude. Yeah <hes> all right so you have to come back. This is great. I'm glad we finally did this. We at least did the sportsman. We didn't talk about draft day but we'll do that next time because now now the browns of basically taking draft day and they made it the real movies I mean it's unbelievable. They went and got Baker Mayfield. They turned it around and it's like you're the G._M.. Yeah I got <hes> man's Hell Yeah. That was the bad version correct. That's what draft avoided right. That's what he played in. Obviously didn't watch draft so the <HES> got Baker but listen I will do thank you all right. This is great. Thank you very much Kevin Costner all right. Thanks so much Kevin Costner thanks to Ziprecruiter of good good ziprecruiter dot com slash B. S.. 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Parent Corner: 2019 Edition | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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Parent Corner: 2019 Edition | The Bill Simmons Podcast

"Today's very special two thousand eighteen parent corner addition of the bill. Simmons podcast is brought to you by Carmax. The folks at Carmax. Big Your shopping test S. driving and car buying experience easy the way it should be in fact they make it so easy. The my nephew kyle did it. He started his search CARMAX DOT com filtered through over fifty thousand carmax vehicles nationwide and found a carmax certified Ford Mustang within his budget that he named Maxine Carmax took could through all the tricky stuff financing options credit applications down payments and pros and cons of that haggling or the pressure to buy US seven day. Money back guarantee to make sure the car is right for you with full disclosure after week. Cow Kept the Mustang. Stop by your local Carmax for details. Discover how easy buying a car. Carmax this can really be. Were also brought to you by the ringer dot com where we are still cranking away at the tail end of two thousand nineteen here and the end of the decade and the Ringer podcast network. Where the REWATCH ables Quentin Tarantino first of three films that we did with him? which ironically the one hundred third the third of these phones will be the one hundred episode of the Rewatch ables? Yeah so this week was dunkirk. Cutie Chris Ryan Sean Fantasy and then in one next week and then the one hundred three watch was episode. The week after that subscribed to the reliable's on apple on spotify. Wherever you get your podcast all right coming up here are all the parent corners that cousin Sal and I did over the course of the two thousand eighteen? NFL season. If you're not familiar with this this gimmick we started doing it. I'm going to say five years ago. Four or five years ago. We started joking about things that were happening with our kids. I Jokingly Kinley called the parent corner then we seriously called a pair quarter then. We started doing them every week. And it took a life of its own and here it is a best of appar corner two thousand eighteen. I are friends from Pearl Jam Okay well. My son is a freshman. Your daughter's a freshman may school. Playing football broke broke. The Old lady down. Yeah he just loves it so much. He was done with flag flag. Football put the pads on that their first game last week. He's tall somehow and I have to look into this even more. But he's almost six one He's playing linebacker like I'm not. I'm sure I'm wife Short. Yeah I'm an eyeball and every Fedex guy that comes by I like to over. Yeah it's all right I try to ignore it but you know it's obvious so we have to figure it out. Send does he's like a mutant. He is very base fourteen. Yeah six one right. Just looks like he's like six eight right so we asked play football and he loves the game. Watches all the games and then plays tackle before goes in their first game. Two tackles only play half the game at linebacker. The full game got two tackles recovered a fumble tip to passes They beat a team from Compton. Ready for sixteen. Yeah the quarterbacks good quarterback trained with Matt liner over. The summer could be a good team. And this is may ninth grade freshman year everything's great and we get the announcement from the The wife that one concussion he's done and so Well and I thought about this and I like I have to have her back. I did I told my son I was like. That's right one and you're done and and that's why if you ever feel Uzi. Don't frigging say anything and my wife didn't like that too much it's terrible. I know it's a bad thing. We shouldn't be laughing about this but is that fair one and done I. Am I just just a horrible father. If he gets one like we can keep going laugharne. Yeah bad enough for letting him play and then if he had won. I shouldn't even be talking about it. But it's it's it's a possibility right. Credible start to pair carmax tail search for your next CAR CONVEX DOT COM anyway outta there with us anywhere. I don't want to make a joke of it. But is that where we're rat like. If you let your kid play you can only allow like one of these where I think. That's a one and done. Oh got the new one and done. I'm fine a vibrant. My son Boo my mother-in-law comes and sent him a gift certificate advocate for Amazon coming and I forget who was for was is for like back to score or something. So He's excited and he decides he's going to spend the money on the gifts shift. Get himself we get a fifty dollars. Bb Gun oh that was for ages. Sixteen and over. And what do you mean we get a we get it in the mail We're like some package from Amazon. It's a BB gun on with two hundred bullets in it and it's for people sixty and over and we're in my wife's I with the House this why wait did we get a BB gun. Ben Claims it was a he wanted to buy a gun because he acts out scenes from movies in the backyard that he wants he wanted to have a prop gun acting out scarface movies he was. He's different movies. Freddie Mercury shot up eight eight hundred number so that happens and then a day later does fake knife comes into the bill. Oh no and it's one of those where you stab somebody in the wages appropriate. And we're like what's going on to see psychiatrist. I I just need props for the backyard. And we're like what the hell is going on with you. And he thought it was like the funniest thing and I forget. What was the other thing he bought? Oh the third thing was the Szechuan sauce. Fifty dollars so rick and Maurice. Donald Session has this McDonald's Szechuan set you on Saas. Yes it's like a joke right. Yes an episode. That Ben Loves Rick. And morty and he just wanted to get it and they brought back for a limited time for McDonald's and now you can only get it from third party sellers for like X. amount so he bought that as well it all came in our. It was all smushed. Half of the Szechuan sauce was all whatever. It was more the fifty dollars because he'd already had some stuff three things he bought where something he thought was a prop toy gun that was actually a BB gun. He's he's never even seen a knife that he was pretending to stab us with but then immediately broke because it was like a dollar. That's good and then Szechuan stuff that all broken. And it's still on the famous when we bought Kyle Flash Gordon Jersey in Ben's grown now and the pastures is fit. So I was like. Do you need another Patch Jersey. And he's like I do something are I'm GonNa get you new pastures zine. Would which one do you want. He's like I want my name on it Aaron Hernandez now. So I'm like aren't you want your name on it. So again Simmons. What number is eight none? I want Melatonin. That's his rap name. Ah You should know about. Of course it's a name so melatonin sixty nine because I have sixty nine. He's it's like I'm like I'm a thousand percent not doing that. So he got thirty three. So Kyle is a Flash Gordon Jersey and my son has melatonin thirty three. And he's he's like it's going to be good for our first video. Unlike your eleven. You're going to jail you just bought a BB gun on my man so thirty three. Refer Larry Bird but on the Patriots and Melatonin. Is that why thirty three. It's like a Simmons Fat Guy Number Melatonin and he's all fired up up us an instagram grandfathering. He thinks it's going to be great for the rap video nice and that's my son starting sixth grade. Who is playing? He's GonNa do. The travel baseball and play for the football team. Really hopefully not do last boy scout with the prop gun. He bought reading a well. There you go carmax. BB guns knives in concussion. We're back all right so this weekend. I was watching the three boys and my wife was away for the weekend and I have to say like she does a great. These kids wouldn't be alive if it weren't for her with me at all but watching kids over the weekend versus during the week is different right like during the week you have to bring him no all kinds of practices and extracurricular curricular activities after school. You have to do homework as bad. It's tough you have to make launches. She does a great job with that but on the weekend as long as there's no sports and soccer hasn't started from my little one yet. My oldest one plays football during the week. If there's no sports data easy pickings right you could just set them on their own. They're on their IPAD and you feed him a couple times a day and that's that so that. That was my plan so I wake up Saturday morning and I start on my book and I get done about nine. Am Nine thirty. Am I going. I should go down these kids and I go downstairs. I said the youngest one I was like what do you want. You want. Cereal or rope male praying. He doesn't say because add involves me like putting hikes. Yeah you know what I mean rather than just pouring cold milk into a ball. He says cereal we go through it. It likes checks and I go in the pantry going to pull out the checks and he comes behind me. He's got a full bag. He's got the now an empty bag of peanut butter butter. Pretzels is eaten. All of these. As like Oh my God. It's already had breakfast on his own but a terrible father I am and I'm like oh I'm look I'm like look at you. You're going to be a real fatty and he says to me he's like well you're already fat and just walks away. Wow was it. I was like all right. I'm going back up to my room. I'm on a ride along to see these little bastard. Kids for another three hours stitched him. So that's it. Yeah not that much of a great story but you you. You feel like it's easier on the weekends because it's really up to you how much you want to put in right. Oh it's gotta be because you can just throw ipads and Sarah at them and basically dear on on Saturday. Friday gotTA drive people places you can also just feed them and not see them. I WANNA post mates or you know you can order. Could come come to the door. Do you let your kids order from eating APPS. I haven't yet. I'm a little worried about that. You're you're at that stage now right well My son The Moral Ben. Simmons had a very brief post mates run that ended abruptly when you guys were showing up from Cipolla with one Burrito Rideau and we were like all right. Good that's coming up your phone but So my corner. I I want to preface this by saying that My daughter's soccer team. I think our parents are really particularly. It's a good group. We have bad apples. We have been trained to behaviorally well on the sidelines Our coach really does believe like if we we're supposed to stay quiet. Just cheer not tell our kids what to do all that stuff and definitely don't yell at the Rafts led him handle if it gets met So we're we're playing this big tournament this weekend in oceanside and we win the first two games and we advanced to the semi finals. But there's still one game left on a Sunday morning and basically it's it's like all right we'll just kick the ball around Just try not to get anyone hurt. It's one of those games. 'cause we got to be really ready because semifinals and the finals are on a Monday right so game starts really physical getting more and more physical and the lead the the the center umpire. Whatever he's called the lead Ref Is Seems Pretty Young. Doesn't seem like an adult. Seems like he may be sixteen or seventeen Max six and has no idea what he's doing starting to get shipyard starting to get chip Beers second-half starts and now it's like rollerball and our kids are getting taken out spouse left and right at one point I thought our midfielder who's a nice kid actually world around their fists clench at that we're actually gonNA have a fight on the field. I was was getting out of control and the rest. Doing nothing we start. Were yelling and you know from a parent standpoint. The only thing you want is you don't want your kid to get hurt again right. So we're all like we're reacting. His parents like you gotta get control of this game. What are you doing now? He's getting mad at us. The other teams doing more and more finally one of our kids just get stacked and her head hits the grass. Oh no she's like kind of half crying but really more upset. We're all going nuts. It's and now it's like you know the NBA where it's like the trainer when there's a fight the trainers pretend they have to make sure the players don't run on the court. So they're hitches bended so so we're combination making sure nobody gets mad enough to actually lead charge somebody. Our coach comes out and he's like the maddest of ever seen a means of getting thrown out. It's a red card so now we were up one nothing in this game now. We just want it to end because it's like somebody's GonNa get hurt in this game. This is crazy. It's like a fifteen year. Old Girls Girls Soccer Games so stupid game. There's penalty kick with like a minute left that they cause for some penalty in the box. This ref who is now like You know he's like the nineteen seventy two Olympics. Basketball REF causes crazy penalty. And now this other team has a penalty kick with the chance to tie it. Our goal ends up saving. Ed We win the game. The REF sprints off past us to get away from US and runs to the to the to the the whatever the tend to put in the score and our manager follows them and I follow because I wanna make sure like nothing else happens you go over. And the REF is basically like unraveling unraveling like he's in the Blair witch project and he's telling her badge like I'm sorry no I didn't do my best and it becomes clear there's kids like like fifteen. Oh no and somebody must have called in sick but this is like a big tournament like you have like real rests for this. And it's clear like he just shouldn't have been in this spot and meanwhile we almost had rollerball in this you soccer thing. So I'm like conflicted because I'm like we're we're yelling at this guy but we wanted our kids to be safe But on the other hand where you know yelling at this kid and he's fifteen and whatever so I for so for this episode of Pan Corner. I'm not sure how I feel about this whole thing. But at one point one of the parents and our team because somebody's taking pictures and was like we have pictures and the guy looked over like with scared like we're gonNA blackmail me was just pictures of our kids getting elbowed in the back Jack and tripped and knocked over. What does that have to see picture? He sees he lived the game right all right so hearing that story. What do you think our role is on? The the sidelines are normal. Normal Group of p of parents who just supportive who knows sale at core now worried one of their kids are GonNa get hurt. How far can Ligo in that situation? I think I think first of all. I think it's very hard to see your kid get repeatedly injured or busted up and nothing being done about it but I think he did. Well keeping your cool. The X factor could be the other parents. How much are they egging it on or they just telling you Josh Up? Stop being a baby because that could put you nuclear so then you lose it all right so this was. I will say the other parents did not do that which I thought was a good thing And recognize that it was a young overwhelmed referee and it sucked the these calls weren't made but but I think the answer is you have to send Ben Simmons Cities Games with his BB gun. But I did we. We had we this semi final final again today and we lost in penalty kicks which dating but rape before the game. And I say this every I'm just GonNa say this confirms benefit You're supposed to pick ecocide and put your chairs on one side. All the parents on one side the parents from the other team and the other side and the reason he do this is just because if there's a situation like that game when it turns into rollerball you don't want parents parents right next to each other. Then that could God knows what happens. parents rick rate near the game. These two ladies put the chairs on our our side and Kinda looked like you guys have to go to your side and The lady does the irony goes really like like offended offended that she has to go to her side. Some and it's made us again for America's Benefit Stadium fucking side there's two sides all the parents. Yes Sir on the side that you know. You're on that side. We're on the other side. There's a midfield there's a whole line that goes right down the middle and you're in one side or the other you can't be on both I like it I I'll tell you about my five year old. Who is playing soccer now? He was on this team last season. Actually in the spring with all his friends in school every one of them was like six friends in In his preschool class. They're all in this baseball team. There were the mets he. He loved it. We got along with the parents we held the end of the year. Party at our house. they warn insufferable. The parents actually like them which is tough for me. It was great now now. They have the soccer team in the fall and Harrison. My son is two days too old to be in that league. The soccer The the way they sort out the ages for the soccer is different than the way they do it for baseball so he's two days to old. There's a kid on the team. That's two days younger than him but my son can't do it because he's Today's to also he has the plan another team so but the coach offers this he says. Hey One I'll just order extra jersey. He could show up. He's five. Who gives a shit that you know? They're not competing for a giant trophy here. The coach other coaches are GonNa know there's no roster is not gonNA call me out and that'll be that income in as a Saab or there's always two kids that can't make it or whatever I was like. That sounds really good. My Wife's like let's do this by the book. They'll probably let us do that anyway. But let's let's just let the league decide as I don't think it's a good idea but go godspeed. Do it sure enough calls op up gets a commissioner on the phone or email through email. There are absolutely no exceptions. He cannot play with his friends. He's going to have to be on this other team so so now she's furious and now I'm not sure now I'm like well this is this is your fault you screw this up. We could have had the Extra Jersey we could order it it. It would have been fine and now he has to play on this other team and not only now. Is he playing on this other team. They moved those that game for some reason the schedule. There's three games on Sunday so I have to. The see was everything was great everything lined up for a Saturday season. Now he has half the schedule is on Sunday and and and their practices is our Saturday at two. Oh two days to weekend as a ruin for five year old soccer. I have today so I was like what kind of maniac I have a question. Why are they having practice for five year? Olds that's dumbest thing I've ever heard by running around like a chicken with their head. Cut Off there's no brightness for them I said I was like you shouldn't go the practices. This is this we have a couple of days left with a million things going on. Why two o'clock do we? You have to bring it into practice. Well maybe he won't play. Maybe they won't play him if it's not a scholarship team like I don't get it so that's that we're stuck with us. Saturday and Sunday real quick quick. The older one the freshman has a game in Anaheim football. Yeah on Thursday. I'm driving out there About halfway there and I got a call from my wife saying the game is cancelled. Because it's too hot it's ninety and it's and it's humid and they don't WanNa take any chances and I was like you gotta be kidding me. I know now I played through heat like this. I don't want to be the old man saying this but first of all this reminds me of the NFL we talked about why are they show scheduling September early September Games in Carolina and Tampa May. If they know there's going to be a storm hitting same thing here same same weather in Anaheim every September tenth. Have Their Games on the road. Now that's it so I had to turn back back in traffic for four hours but that's that I'm done that's brutal. I can't believe they have practiced for five-year-old's what is going on with this country. Yeah isn't that in. Check all the you know. The coaches are nuts. They love it. They love it so much and take off work Friday. We'll do Friday at five or something. You throw soccer. GEICO ball out with people wearing uniforms at two different teams. Yeah and all of them. Just cluster around the ball. There's no what are they gonNA practice just running into each other. You know what he's Zaken remember any of this. He might remember playing with his friends that he grew up with. That would have been cool but all right take that away. What are we going to do? What's his birthday? When's birthday December thirtieth? So there's a kid who was born January second on the team And that's a tough sports birthday when people ask me for advice is for parenting. I always the only thing I say is if you think your kids are going to be athletic. Try to game it so that they're born like late January early February. That's the move. Yeah that's really WANNA stack children. I understand for leagues. There has to be a cut off in a minute matters when they're eight nine ten and above but but come on five five in France. Fives pretty ridiculous My parents corner. There's just a lot to choose from with my son these days. It's a Israeli turning into one of the all-time characters. My wife gave him forty dollars to do because he was walking downtown to go get coffee or would some coffee drink with his friend Ben. They're gonNA walk around. That's good that story's going out right right there you can stop it. That was my whole thing I was like. Why did you give him forty dollars? Why don't you give them like ten dollars? She's I don't know I just grab money for my Wa so giving him forty dollars the game. Show where you're giving like just dumb eleven year olds money to just spend the same way he comes back and there was some sale sale from a store. And he's carrying all this stuff is a mom distort a sale. I don't forget the name of it again all the stuff and it was. I can't even describe what the stuff was a thing. It almost looked like a stand. And he's like I'm GONNA keep by trophies on this. He hasn't won a trophy. I don't think yet but I think you would want baseball trophy so so. That's great this ugly Stan. I don't even know where it's going to go. You have that and then it was like there was one giant long key that Eddie really liked because it looked like a key for scary movie. It's like look at this. It was marked down from ten to one dollars. Yeah because it's a fucking giant what what is the key to my heart on it. Oh my God and then there was like some gold chain so anyway he spent the whole forty dollars then. My wife's Manama's added a Muslim. Why are you mad at him? He's an idiot. You should be mad at yourself so we have that then the other thing was I rejoined my fantasy league without at my friends from high school. The one that I was in from nineteen ninety which adds ed skipped out on. Because I didn't want to be in multiple leagues and they already made me feel guilty. Yeah Sombat I'm back in. That did the online draft thing but I wanted I told my son I was like we should be partners for this. He's like great so we do the draft. He's interested right to the point where he really wanted me to take Baker Mayfield which might be the only quarterback. He knows other than Tom Brady. So we take him and then disappears has gone for the rest of the draft downloads the CBS APP on his phone. And then he can look at our team and he's all excited sighted about that he's like hey daffy look at. Our Team were favored to win this week. All the staff and I'm going to watch football with you in Kyle and Sunday like great so comes around. It's like nine fifty five West Coast time the union come out and watch football. See I'm going to be out there. One second. I'm just going to go on. The trampoline comes in. He's in for two minutes. Watches like to Baker Mayfield passes like I'll be right back. I never see him again. Just gone the rest of the day no interest just in anything then comes back and starts yelling at me because we also have Lamar Jackson who I didn't start because I started mayfield because that's the only football player. Yeah my son's heard of other than the Patriots and I'm like I started Baker Mayfield because that was the guy you were all excited about. You WanNa Baker Mayfield. He's like a dad. The Mars five touchdowns what are you doing. What are you doing? You're so dumb remorse football. You're not even out here so now we're yelling at each other. And then he ends up not watching any football and now he doesn't care about the fantasy team because we lost and we suck and I picked a bad team and he doesn't want to be on my team anymore stabbing you with giant key well and then the other thing is he has a patch jersey. That has his rap name on the back back. Kyle the Flash Gordon Jersey so he got his melatonin Jersey and then wouldn't wear that tonight because he was still mad about the bastard yet. Because it's the Michael Jackson child off to sports really off. The football only only need to see was to bigger Mayfield passes well what you realize is when we were growing up all we WANNA do is like watch sports with our dad right Is like what was better than Oh yeah watch a game with my pops. The they don't WanNa do that. They just WANNA watch coach. You know a prank video on Youtube. Yeah Houston Agean yelling at your father for starting upside the head so fast well and then he was. He's been researching his Halloween costume. Who's the guy is going to be? Kyle he's going to be this guy from visit a youtube. It's a youtube video my other. I don't know and I'm Mike Micoud that so in in Zoe goes he's guy in Dana dobric video. He sleeps with all these girls and smokes a lot of pot so funny funny to be him and for Halloween on Mike. That doesn't sound funny at all. Can he not do that. Kyle comment today. Ben Tried to stab him with his knife. Take on the lookout for it. I thought he was actually going to stab me with a knife and then plunged in and then it receded into itself because this was the one dollars thank you. But he's on his trophy kate. Yeah that's going to be the first talented. He's you do character the every year. This is going to be the first child and character the year. Love it uh-huh sal usually goes I. I'M PARENT CORNER BUT WE'RE GONNA let HOUSEGO I. This type has a good one. So well this is really a testament to the the many inadequacies that I possess as a father as a grown man. As a tech savvy. Human being in the twenty first century. My son loves the game. roablocks yet is One of these character-driven Avatar driven you know you're you're the character and all of these environments and situations and like a lot of these Games where you you know you have one character character interfacing with others. You can enhance the shit out of out of this character's attributes and His navigation skills his his fashion fashion and my son very early on showed a real appetite for making his his avatars handsome as possible. Yeah and also equipping him with whatever modern technology where water warfare technology so he spent four hundred sixty dollars last week on The road blocks enhancements because I have probably four times gone into the stupid effing APP indeed disabled and UNT untethered third by pay pal and Unin taking the ethnic credit card off the thing and I'll be God damned if he hasn't figured out what you just do pop up up up up up and then I get a bill from from tunes. Four hundred and sixty mother effing dollars for what for what what what is it. Oh Daddy I has Mohawk petty. I got a Mohawk character is eleven inch pianist. Stuck right in my hand kidding me. Yeah so that's my and I'm sure there's a fixed this. If you know the fixed please send it to me on the twitter order house from DC. Please help me fix the editing roadblocks. I don't think you have to pay for that but I think it's funnier that you do so for under sixty dollars I was I hope not just to piggyback on that. My son US did the same thing and we had to change all the passwords. It's impossible for new order anything but somehow somehow I got this bill last night when I was at remembered sweating. Shout out the records wedding by the way a great time and it was a nineteen dollars. Ninety nine cents Sony Interactive Services Mrs Playstation thing so. He went on my account and bought something. That in order was so I emailed him. Did you buy our texted him. Did you buy something. Think back look as the OFA show. Snoop Dogg gift. A GIF OF SNOOP Dogg dotty and it said Oh fo Sho. Yeah it's a question. Mark Bill Simmons to Benson's. Did you buy something and again I I show and then I have money that he texted. I pay you back. Not even Alpay back back. So his grammar continues to be terrible. It turns twelve months and even my parents quarter. So you're up all right. I'm up so I told you last week or the week before about my five year old. Who wants to play soccer with his friends? But he's exactly two days too old for that league so he we asked to play a league up and asleep. Plays on Sundays so Good for me and not only do they play on Sundays. They played Sunday at one PM. Which for football all fan on the west coast is the worst time the worst time for a game to start and by the way even worse when there's ten frigging early games three late late afternoon? Ten and three is not the ratio. Anybody wants so you as you know you guys were watching. And how she would most games on your parlay their Green Bay Game Baltimore Damore Game Detroit game houses. You're watching the Pittsburgh game all came down to the wire some scrambling to get out of the house. I finally get to the game. I'm like five minutes late but not too late to to see my five year old allowed to goals and forty five seconds. He's playing goalie and he's thrown a fit and so they take him out a goal and now we slide tackling everyone. He's playing good call for fouls every time tackling. Everybody like diving into everybody doesn't know what he's doing and but like when he called for a foul. He's I crying so he was like the big bully. That turns into a Wuss. Like what the Hell's going on here. So they end up losing like five. Nothing and I'm like I can't wait eight to talk to this kid I have to. I have to have to get his head straight. This is crazy he's aggressive and he sobbing and it's it's really weird and he's crying after every goal by the other team. Wait until I get a hold of them above before I can get a hold of him. He has to talk to his team. The coach like tells a male. You did good. We lost but losing doesn't matter anyway not only does a coach feed them that but they're the sharks and he dedicates the shark of the week. He acknowledges that there is a shark of the week. He pulls out a plastic shark and gives it to Harrison for being the shark of the week. And I'm like what the Hell is going on. Here how is he the sharper the week blabbering on the ground and pounding. What now how am I going to say? Hey Oh you did wrong. You gotta get it together when he's GonNa hold up the shark and say Oh really. Someone says I behaved prop- properly so the shark of the week so I I don't know Ah coach is a nice guy and everything. But you didn't do me any favors with these participation trophies this one coming in the form of plastic shark with his name on it. It's not like you pass it around. And so now he's always waving around. I can't teach this kid that he behaved improperly. I don't know what to do. You guys have any recommendations at this is just you. You've just explained everybody under thirty. Yeah I'll go to many parents already months. That's really awful. So Shark of the week my parent corner so my daughter who I love. Who's been on this podcast? WHO's a really sweet and thoughtful kid? The one the one whole she has in her sweet thoughtful resume not like great at cards and gifts which makes her like me. The Best Person I've ever seen at cards and gifts as me and sows cousin Jimmy ru for sure who is kind of the Michael Jordan of gifts. He's I don't know. What does he have like a google? Doc Sal he knows when everybody's birthday and everything is he's but he's buying Christmas. We heard he probably heard you say that. And to thank you for UH north of cards and give you like a rookie Larry Verger just just for saying that really incredibly thoughtful gifts. He's buying gifts for people in like July in March and just has three hundred people filed away in his brain. That he's just buying stuff for my daughter is not that person And I just somehow ended up with these kids that it's like Mother's Day and my wife's home and we're about to have dinner and they're scrambling around grabbing pieces of paper from the printer and hastily making mother's Day cards. I don't think I've ever gotten a gift from my daughter ever. Maybe I have my wife probably bought it so bring this up. Because she's been dating this guy and they had their one month anniversary this weekend count. Nice Guy Allgemeine shadow account. I like him good. First Boyfriend Zoe we where's Zoey is she. Oh she went. She went downtown to buy some gifts for anniversary. I'm like what Shantsev she comes back. It has this whole thing of all these different gifts she bought and she got him a card and she made him say spent hours like gifts and arranged some photo photo thing. And I'm listening to this and I'm just getting madder matters so we we're we're in DC for for the wedding and we're facetime having her and she's telling my wife about these gifts. She got her got him tomorrow. And I'm so excited and finally I got mad and I'm like Oh knows you've never got me a fucking gift if they ever Chico's back with that's true I made you that Celtics thing. Once which was like seven years ago I was. I was away for the finals. And she made me this painting with like six Celtics on it so she had to go back to two thousand thirteen so so my point is this. They do though. Daddy's little girl all that stuff but as soon as they meet a guy you're just dumped. Yeah because it's like nine gifts for the new guy. Meanwhile I've done is a better fucking chauffeur for her entire life. Children are all around southern California for every soccer tournament. Where's buy gifts I want to buy? Hi but in but that's some gifts because I'm so I'm so thankful. He stood in a hundred degree weather last week to watch me play soccer and sweated sweated in guy and then had to drive two hours no gifts for me. I think DADS being a bad first boyfriend. That's what it sounds like to me. It's a great point. If you had a boyfriend you gotta get it for one anniversary I just Stanford Istan of what's right is what I stand for and you know it's give me a father's Day Card Co.. Story give me like three cards. Just read a nice no readiness. Sappy note made me feel good for a minute. If you WANNA feel good bill I could send aplastic shark. I don't care I'll put it in the mail tomorrow. I think you'd like it if Carmax sent me a car I do love my daughter though. I should say she will be taking care of me. Someday when I'm in a nursing hopefully hopefully hopefully they view the ocean Well I feel bad because this is neither fun or funny but I'll tell you I'll I'll say advance it has A not so terrible ending but My son is playing freshman football. It took a lot of convincing of my wife to get this go and we even had Tony Romo a few years back. Try to convince convince or say. Hey come on. He could play contact right at contact. Football's fine and he's like he doesn't have to start until ninth grade so he didn't start until ninth grade even though all his friends were playing thing in seventh grade. Now he's on the freshman team he loves it. The team's pretty good They have a game A Thursday afternoon game one of his teammates catches inches. A ball and a flat turns around and gets Pummel Helmet to helmet. Hit is probably a foot taller and then he's on the field. This kid my son's teammate. For the next forty minutes and You know his his feet or flailing. Oh no like holy crap. Is this involuntary voluntary or like at some point The mothers pretty good with it. She's on the field. It took a long time. Finally an ambulance came name. Forty minutes later take him to the hospital. He had like a neck injury. He's he's fine has a neck gray. She texted a thumbs up to all his teammates. teamates but I I. I don't know what to say except that you know when you watch your favorite team play in a in a player on your favorite team had that socks socks and you're like oh this is brutal even someone on another team when you're watching your kids game and it's someone on your kids team. It's like time's a thousand thousand and then I cannot even imagine as a parent what this is like for forty minutes. Not knowing what's going on like I said everything while ended up good but I'm okay if he decides not to play and he seems okay. Everyone on team is okay with it but it's just so scary and also it's really bad for my brand. I mean a lot of the parents like Oh oh house brand. Does your brand okay. You know don't worry about my brand as a kid on the field but now really I don't know I just had a big wake up call at that and nothing to same one that Jesus most depressing parent corner of all time. Sorry I know was forty minutes but it's relevant relative to what we say element the other thing is at like. I have to go to every game. I don't care where the road games are apt to kind of make everyone because this is Now have that on my mind too you know. Aw Man started bummed me out but this is this is reality. Thank God for Ben Simmons. Because just 'cause just when you thought parent corner was GONNA get depressing. We Ben Simmons so I can get on his instagram account and read his dams and stuff. Because I the papers phone and that's part of you know that's part of the deal would I didn't realize I hadn't checked in a while. Is He is new habit now of deeming celebrities on instagram Graham and hoping they email him back so he emailed that after we went to the it to screening he. DM Bill Hader and was like what's up dude. He was like cinema photo and he was like I at the premiere for it. I don't know if he thinks bill haters going to sift through his DMC and maybe him back. But it's been a lot of that. There's there's might have been some women that he's attracted to WHO's been like. Hey what's up. I think you're great. But my favorite he. He texted this rapper. Rapper named nine sixteen frosty. WHO's actually fantastic? He's he's hasn't blown up yet but it has a couple of really good songs but as you know my my son and his And his Buddy Lucci. They have their their rap. The rap in we played we played that song at the start of the podcast today. TIC TAC and Melatonin so he he. DM's nine sixteen frosty and July twenty third and says dude. You're a god but it's why. Oh you are does no response. That's from night. Sixteen frosty then on August. Twelve frosted amount DMZ mcgann and says Melatonin. I'm a rapper. I work with tic attack. You A god and then adds tag for real says is is rap partner at just in case maybe he does take tag for real. Yeah that had to get his attention now so for nine sixteen frosties gone through his. DMZ GETS A melatonin rapper. I work with TIC TAC back. You Guys Oh. I didn't realize you work with tic TAC then texts and you're my hero still no response eight days later. You're the best. Why Oh you are the best so so to be fair? I don't Think Nine Sixteen frost is disregarding the direct message because he got his urine yours. Wrong I mean he probably they don't think it was on. I think it's important. He also emailed an actress McKenna. He just emailed a clapping emoji. He's just coming through. It's Nick Kroll. He really likes told Nicole. Hey Nick big fan no response from neck. So my sends sends a celebrity instagram. Deanne game has been a little off so far obnoxious to start off because it was one day it was like a Tuesday and and we had the cleaning lady comes once a week. I don't want to sound too. Too Crazy to presenters and the window washers never ever come but we weren't able to see outside outside. Our windows was so filthy we finally broke down and got a window washers to come to the house so cleaning lady in the window washers are there the same day. That's Tuesday Newsday Wednesday. We got a text from the cleaning lady tough to read little language barrier but she says The oldest oldest boy. I put his money in the black suit in his closet so that the window washers couldn't get to it. I was like. Oh Wow. That's nice first of all. I don't know why my son has money at in the first place but you know she took the money away because she thought someone was going to in some of the strangers. We're GONNA take it so that my son I was like what happened is like Oh yeah I wondered about that I had like a hundred and ten dollars out on my end table and it was gone. I want to say anything. He's like. I thought the housekeeper took it and I didn't want to write her out when a good kid. Wow Yeah pretty good wait a second. Why did he have one hundred ten dollars? Well that's the other thing I'm gonNA find out of. He's like selling meth in courtyard or something. He's not such a good kid but now I think he got it from like babysitting. It doesn't matter. He lost his F ING phone a camping. So he's GonNa have to pay that to pay anyway but anyway the sentiment demint is nice. He didn't rat out the cleaning lady. Or maybe the sentiment is nice. Maybe you could have had like this terrible thief in your house and he just would have sat passively early and watched it happen. Oh interesting am I looking at this the wrong way I see. I don't know how to evaluate it anymore is why I'm bad parent. This is my corner but I I turned fifty last week and I talked about how my kids you know aren't really like they don't make cards and do stuff like that and how mad I was when my daughter had her one meant anniversary of the boyfriend and went to downtown and got her nine gifts and cards and so near the turn fifty No card from either of my children no no no card gift from either them. Now you know what I did get though that apparently was more meaningful INSTAGRAM posts for me to them on their instagram stories including one from my daughter where she wrote like a really nice long note on instagram. I am Dad. She claimed she worked forever on. It was more important than a card and then my son actually did a very nice short thing for him because he's the lease Sentimental Cato ever live The also did a nice little thing with a picture of us and they both seem pretty convinced that that's a bigger deal than giving giving somebody a card because their friends can see it. You know it's it's the instagram currency matters. More than just handing somebody a hallmark heart. I don't know how I feel about this. So we're going to have to kyle for his reaction Kinda what matters more to kids under fifteen to the kids. We're talking about kids. Yeah so the kids they kind of do get something out of it though. They probably took a good picture of them or like acute wine where people are going to the radio. My God you look so cute in that picture when your four zero right so so it ties into the narcissistic era. We live in now where now we're raising a generation of kids who can't even give a card because they would rather actually be in Ed being the quote unquote card themselves. They would have day also WanNa win with the car. Yeah there's no they're not gonNA get any like Santa filling out a card for you know they get one night twice and then you're gonna you're going to throw it out. It's a one laker for them. They're not GonNa do that so Friday night. My daughter's boyfriend comes over. Brings me a card. wrote me a really Nice Card with a note. I'm link any credit card from either can't in my frigging daughter's cool boyfriend. Colin got. Let me a car now. I can't even more now. It'd be devastated when they break up. Wow Yeah you have to make sure they don't break up. Now that's big. Well you know what you should tell your kids for now on take a picture. Take a video of the card and then put that on instagram. But I still WANNA frigging card. Get some legs out of it. I Yeah I think everyone wins in that scenario. Well that's not even my parent corner got home today and there were these packages at the front door. Said Ben Simmons in them immediately my reactions. You can guesses Ono. Two different packages one of them. Contain two things vampire blood which looks like an oil thing and then the other thing was Hollywood quality FX latex wound so you could put these things out and it makes it look like you've had latex wound learned right so I'm like all right. That's really weird. What's in the other box? It was a fake ax ax. Yeah an ax. Enacts jaryl weeks ago so now he has a fake knife retractable fake dive. Now he has a fake axe any as vampire empire blood and latex wounds so naturally I had to ask them like are you a syracuse. Her and he said no no. I'm getting ready for Halloween. And that was his answer to that. It is a little more disturbing if it's February and these things are coming into the door I understand. Yeah it's awesome so my my dad who they call Papa Doc. 'cause he's Dr Bill the Com- Papa Doc. When he comes Begnaud is ropes them into buying him stuff on Amazon? 'cause pop so he's a good. Can we go to Papas on DOT COM. And then my dad because kids figure out pretty quickly like the grandparents especially when they don't live in the same plays is there just the easiest marks there are right like right there just so desperate to win over a faction over the course of their cramming. Three days of you've you know friendship affection. Whatever else? That hat now has the last for next three months until they see the grandkids again. So they're basically the easiest mark and the plan it. My son realized that pretty quickly and now gave him the nickname pop. So now my my my dad now get something out of it was gay. Oh it's Papas. on-time on-time it's all things like he's a joy get beat well. He's getting his credit card. Just you know filleted. That's great thank. You could have at least picked up a card for you. Play as long as it's shopping right again. It's only one leg cards. One gets need allows prime. I'm a love. It actually have two quick things but one quick thing was Went camping with a bunch of families fancy camping and and One of the I don't want to name drop but Johnny Knoxville was there and my wife tells me I asked. My son was my five year old and she's like Oh Knoxville. Teaching matter ride a bike I says that a good idea knoxville teaching them and from Jackass. Yeah I don't know should a Child Protective Services. Just come right here right now. I don't say that too loud. But he has the seven of his teeth lab. So that's that's fine but not much of a story story there but I will say this earlier in the week we went to smackdown. Yeah out of fun. I'm sure we'll talk about it a minute but that was on Friday on Monday night raw. I'm sitting my five five year old down. We Watch and Ray ministerials in the ring and brought listeners. Throwing them around and they keep cutting ray mysterious son. WHO's in the second row? And and I said you know I said to my son Mike Harrison. Probably Friday. Going to sit in a seat like that. Pretty close that'll be good right. And he's like yeah. He's excited brock lesser than sides after he's done throwing Ramos around like a rag doll comes out of the ring reaches into the crowd grabs Ramos Zero Son and beats the living this out of them like like ten minutes and now my son Harrison is beside himself. He's like in tears. He's biting is like knuckles. I don't worry we'll we'll sit further back. That's going to refines artem for life that that my story but then we went. We had a good time right. Yeah I was GonNa part of mine was going to be how we sat next to each other. Her and it was your son. He was losing his wrestling virginity or live wrestling show virginity and it was and I was with my son who is now six years older than him. WHO's a veteran of the process at this point and it was really fun? reliving that first show through your son cause for twenty five minutes they're just catatonic. Yeah right they basically look like the cart has to come out and carry in. Take them off the field. Just deer in the headlights can't believe it can't process anything. Anything just glazed over and then about of the half hour mark they start to live in up and then about an hour and a half and really start to get into it but it it was. It was funny to hit those checkpoints. Again it's like it's everything you do at home and everything you can't do in school you get in trouble for their allowing it right in front. Lavar is guys are beaten the hell out of each other and costumes and daddy and Mommy and daddy's friend than dishonor are enjoying it too so they like all right it must be this is interesting. I forgot about that dynamic of it but so I the pear corn and I really wanted to tell was going to get Sushi with my son last night after he watched season three big mouth. But I'm not gonNa tell that 'cause I don't I don't want carmax get upset but it's probably the best one. Fortunately Trust me. It's the best one you ran it by me. Overtaxing my I said. Is that working so hot. We can't even put the stores in the podcast anymore so I should say he. He he watched sees the three big mouth. It came out on Friday night. He got up at four thirty in the morning. The next morning to keep watching it and finished take Pretty early on Saturday Unclear if he could read but he finished map ceases after smackdown. Yeah there's after these came home he watched to that night and then got up early and banged out the rest. He just loves that show so much so my daughter every Friday. She has date with her boyfriend. Who she's she sat for almost two months? Now I've talked about him before. He's a really nice kid so I'm watching Frieden on watching the dodger game my wife's away and it's probably seven eighth inning and they're upstairs watching a movie and then they come down and watch the game but I could tell she's she's like pissed off about it and says what's the score and he just like really wanted to watch this guy. He's a huge dodger fan. Really WanNa Watch Sanjay game also like one and hang. I don't watch a game and my daughter is Damon. The whole not really excited about this. She was having much more fun. You know in their room watching a movie that she was choosing and finally she liked leaves and goes to play the piano ditches on for like twenty minutes then comes back and she's still got a little bit of an attitude then goes upstairs for a little bit and we kind of had above it rows like yeah man women are difficult. He's now my friends even though it's my daughter and It was just kind of had a moment. We had like a bonding moment for like half hour. Watched dodger game kind of complaining about his girlfriend who who happen to be by daughter so then the next day. We're driving a soccer game. I'm like hey the e you know you gotTa take one for the team every once in a while. I'd hate to give the advice. I've had a lot of failed relationships over the years. But you know he. He's he's a gave Katie's doing just about everything you WanNa do. You WanNa Watch the dodger game for half hour you gotta take one the team so now she's frantic. She's she's sending a message. Is The game's about twenty minutes away from warm-ups and she's worried like she made him upset. She didn't realize they're sorting this out. And I'm like I'm so finally I man I shouldn't have told you and she's like you're right. You should know Sebastian. He's mad at me and the soccer against going so i. I don't know how I got in the south. I I don't know who plays out. You love it you had to be. I'm going to tell everybody something like we. We had a chance at the end of smackdown. was like all right. So let's go back stage we could maybe There's an area where you wait for your car and it's the wrestlers if you're on the VIP yet yet so let's do that. That's always fun. You're waiting you know your your side by side but triple H. He's waiting for his. Yeah hard to pick them up. And you're waiting for your your Mazda three sixty but And you're like now I gotta go home. I don't know I don't know who's supervising my daughter and her boyfriend I was like wow. They wanted to get out of there because it was my mom. WHO's downstairs watching Bill Maher and having liquor seventh classes Chardonnay? God God knows what's going on psych. There's no way my mom is like you know going up every twenty minutes to make sure the doors open all that stuff got pair. Corners is really getting dark. Really Cows bummed out go onto college already. Jesus Taryn Corner. Kyle isn't coming over and I think you're like me and that look professional wrestling. We loved it now. We've come back around eleven again but when we were growing up we loved it when it was Piper was Hogan when it was snooker a little before maybe Bob back on then. Ricky steamboat a little bit and then everybody started to love it speaking of ground swell and I backed off a little that that me out a little bit right the you the same way. Yeah yeah like what a band when they recorded a garage and you're hearing the Menendez there on top forty radio. That's enough yeah. That's what happened with the wrestling. Well so that's kind. It's happened with my son. My Middle Son My older son loved wrestling when added hard for a few years. Then my middle son. Jack loved it. When added hard still oh going tailing off a little bit but liking it and then the youngest son really is into it now just over the last few months? He got an undertaker costume for Halloween. It doesn't fit it all where like constantly cutting things down to the right size the wig the shoes and the hat and everything else and now the middle son who does not like my younger. Your son at all is now done with wrestling. He's like screw it. I don't want even compete and wrestling's dumb because my little brother likes it. Okay the problem is we have and I think you have you. You might be the only one who has more of these wrestling figures. Yeah I think we have like two hundred you might have like twelve hundred. I don't know but You know and there's no shortage of rings there's ladders there's all kinds of things and so you could have matches. I used to use star wars figures when I was a kid but they they they down a wrestler for everyone. Now we have like two hundred days My little ones playing with them. The middle ones like no. No no those are mine. These are off limits as the little title. One comes crying into my bed. I'm trying to watch the London game at six thirty in the morning. For God's Sakes GimMe Gimme some room and he comes crying says his youngest is an older brother says they're off limits and I was like no. That's ridiculous those aren't even hit. Those are his brothers that not even his and my wife is like you know what just buy new ones like. I'm not going to buy new ones. This is two hundred of these how much they cost between between fifteen and fifty dollars right. I'm not doing it. I'm getting pressured into buying the new ones. I'm not buying them. I'm not looking for anyone to send them to me. I just need I just need some. I'm crazy not to buy new ones right. You don't five hundred these things laying around first of all. I was that arresting about with your son. Nine days ago the Middle One. He brought a giant championship belt and right withholding over his head and screaming for two hours. So now he's at arrest like like well he's added because he doesn't WanNa make the little one look cool so if the little one likes something he wants it to be deemed babyish right. So he's got to kind of walk away from it. I I know he's a weird spot. Here he really is so eat. Sounds a little hypocritical. Sure I thought the best thing about having a third son was you just got take all the shit you bought for the other thing. Just give it to the third kid discount. It should be a perk for me. Yeah it's like it's almost like half half the cost of a real son because they just have the old shift from the other sons. Yes all right so now I need your wife to call my wife or tax and say you're you're acting foolish hair. Keep the wrestlers. Don't buy anymore that's all. It sounds like this is a nice place for Jack. You're middle son to prove and show that he it can be a bigger man. Brill doesn't have that in them you can't yet. I might check and be like Jack You could. You could be the bigger man here. gave him your your figures now now now. He's a big conversation now what he wants to quit himself and not let anyone have his figures. What if you bought the figures years from Jack and then replaced that asset with another asset? Then you're not buying more figures. Well that would have been nice plan if I didn't have the cowboys on a teaser. The chargers on the teas whoever else are we. So bad gable reorder yesterday Saturday my My parent corner. You know my son was on my podcast the other day. 'cause Nick Crowe hair I loved it and Sized first time I'd really ever seen him nervous which was shocking The good news is I think we found that on a Wednesday he recovered in time. ozanam Kapoor went to Friend's House that night. Who who has one of our friends me me and my wife's who also has two daughters who the younger daughter and banner in the same class and and a bunch of her friends? They're just a bunch of girls so ben was in his glory because he just had all of these sixth grade girls that he can do his thing with so my wife decides aside. She wants to leave and Ben is like I'm staying so he stays somebody else could be mariah home so he stay now. There's two series two on stay one is it's IT'S A. He's got all these sixth grade girls and the other one is the dodger games. On the Clinton the Clayton Kershaw disaster. Ben Decides to troll all the dodger fans in the living room and is telling people that Kershaw's GonNa Choke Oke doing this whole thing and then he did and he was like see. I told you he's trash. She's doing like the cocky eleven year old barely know anything about sports saying and is actually like pouring gasoline into the fire with these poor dodger fans who were just you know enjoying the game after young report then all hell has broken this I know nothing about this. I went to party last night. That had multiple DADS who at the thing in all of them separate separately brought it up to be how you should have seen your son. Trolling everyone at this. Yom Kippur they about the dodgers have to talk to them about About That's not cool. The troll people as they're going through just one of the most horrible sports experience as a Red Sox Fan and a Patriots Fan. How are you GONNA do? You should pay someone else. Yeah it's a good point I I might have to get like a Ram Spain crawl to do it or talk to him about it but Yeah he's he's doing the he he was doing the cackling thing no so they make eye kershaw. Does this all the time. It's just pouring gasoline. Sad at horrible. I was mortified. So Do I. That's that's the pair quarter of this week. Let's take a break from this very special parent corner episode to remind you that Carmax is simply the better way to buy a great used car folks at Carmax. Make your shopping test driving a car. 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And he's going against another fifth grader under a kid miles so I have a lot of suggestions for posters which really are all about a smear campaign against miles els and the kids are laughing on. My wife is furious at all the suggestions on making everybody's laughing except for my youngest son because my youngest son they partnered kindergarteners with fifth graders. You know have like a fifth grade buddy if you're in kindergarten like the oldest kids in the school like t- taught got you well it. It should have been my son in my other son kindergarten fifth grade but they don't get along so my fifth grade son past he's like now let someone else take Harrison. I don't want to take them. Guess who picks them up. Miles picks up Harrison and Harrison loves miles and is rooting for miles and my son race against Spirit Commission. and which got so bad. That the by fifth grader in Arison like nose to nose yelling at each other about it it was like the civil war when when brothers fought each other yeah unlike both laughing and trying to pull them apart and it's just going to be bad it's just GONNA be bad next few weeks. It's amazing though the feud between the two brothers. We really haven't seen anything like this. Since Michael and Frago it feels like it's got that level of intensity right right. Yeah yeah they can either them through a toll booth anytime soon like when when you are Melissa. Your funeral one of them is going to be like. I'm not I'm not going until I'm sure positive. He's out the other ones out. I don't want my brother there. There is a lot of succession elements My Para Corner. I've talked about this before. But by my daughter and her boyfriend navigate every usually fried in this time. It was Saturday night and the hang out. They watch movies and it's really adorable. They really like each other but But this time around his mom came to come pick her up at pick him up at like eleven fifteen or something like that and the mom shows up. We're talking to are like hey come on down and Nothing nothing two minutes pass. Hey come on guys. Let's go nothing. Hey what are you guys doing their here. Some movement the by the don't worry store is not going to get gross Okay they come down. They're both like look like they've been asleep for like an hour They fell asleep watching movie and an Dang splendid as he had had a baseball game early he was tired. She'd played a soccer game. She was tired. Heard it was like. Wow you guys literally are married couple. Now you're falling asleep when you're watching. TV At ten o'clock and hey you've skipped all the stages of a relationship you've already gotten to the end the worst as part this fall asleep. Oh yeah all right how what happened. Oh I don't know I was just I was I thought you. I thought you said it wasn't going to get gross married couple. Don't want to hear that as this is really incredible. It's been ten weeks but it's really been fifteen seniors so yeah. They're getting the divorce. Soon I think is how this is going to play it. I was gone all week. I was in Brooklyn my wife came with me for the first time. She came Like Wednesday through Saturday or Tuesday through Saturday. Yeah she's never been there like for the it's a fun experienced Ernst. She knows everyone on the show chosen. Trust me on the road. But that's another story but she got her. She got her father and his wife Asia stepmother to fly out and To Watch our kids and like quiet people that from the Midwest they settled in Florida. They take Zuma NBA class. They go on walks. And that's they wrote onto a lot but they're responsible and they're going to watch our kids and I don't think they knew what they got into. Oh now yeah because you know I mean you have a fourteen year old. Who is not great about letting anyone know what she's doing or case but my I son is doing My wife has a tracker on her phone. So it's not as as bad. She could figure it out but they don't they don't see him they get nervous. There's that thing The other one won't the middle child won't eat he won't eat anything except till ravaged the whole ravage the the pantry and they go crazy over that Anne invites that neighbor kid over to also go through the pantry and so they were flipping out about that. I it just. It's just odd. Everything's off center her. And then the little one. This little bastard keeps asking my father-in-law why he's not still married to his grandmother grandma all throughout the weekend apparently and all throughout the week then so That's really it. There's not it's called to check in there in the car they're nice. They're shuttling the kids to practices soccer practices football practices and they're all in the car Stepmother father in law and the three kids and I'm like hey guys how's it going in the Middle Kid. Goes you have to come home right now. You have to come home a number for this with grandma and the right there. He's like you need to come home right now. We can have them. I was like what are you doing. So that's it so if anyone wants to watch chat three monsters Next year we got a Brooklyn pleased amid a resume. It's GonNa take much you just really know at the know how to drive is it. Sounds like there should be apparent version of carmax whereas people who can watch your kids for a week like Oh yes apparent max naked work. What'd you call at an get parents for a a week Max guest? Yeah the the fact that you did this to your wife. Saab parents was really kinda cruel yet is to welcome somebody house to your insane world with that. You know the two parents with the kids together all the time. You don't realize how weird some of the stuff has until somebody else's in charge for a couple of days and And they realize you like your middle son and younger son or feuding thank for real yes aflutter. Yeah Yeah that was bad all week to handle that. Yeah I don't know I mentioned in my little to playing off last week. My son lost that election. Oh Ah he was bummed out and the little one was happy so they had to deal with that. Oh my God We'll playing off that. What welcoming people into your world? So we had had a whole bunch of people here today because we were doing this state farm shoot for post game after the PATS and right after the packers chief so we had probably ten to twelve ringer. People People here setting up in the back. 'cause we're film and stuff and And I was like I really hope. My son doesn't look at this as an opportunity just to be just basically have an audience and in hidden right now. Of course he did and He got this new football. All that half of it is is square so you throw it like a spiral and it you know it bounces off the wall bounciest back two. I would have played with this for at one thousand hours when I was W yeah for sure I would never stop so he has. That came in the mail today for some reason isn't so he really wants to play but in the backyard. You know we have all these people and there's cameras and there's barbecue and all this stuff didn't stop him he's still whipping the ball off off things and going around and just doing his thing. Propane lamps spy. smasher smashing appropriate lips all that stuff. It's like all right. I I knew this is going to have these Ouaga. It through is coming in is coming out around. I would say six o'clock now. He's just in the t shirt and his underwear and in How'd you describe as underwear? SPONGEBOB UNDERWEAR SPONGEBOB under a not like Tidy Whitey. He's like a little longer small. Briefs we have a man we have women here in. Doesn't stop them so he's walking around. He's playing football. He's on the trampoline and And just just like just been put some pants on no no pants it up. So the good news is he left his phone in in the guest house Which I was able to crack the code and I went and I looked through all his tax with his girlfriend which I had done? Well that's great eight and who he calls boo and it's not just booths boo in the address book. But there's a hard and smiley faces. This isn't this stuff so I there was one taxed about. She was talking about applying the schools and she was really nervous about getting in all the stuff and in Ben Ben Texture back. You are the though I don't non-english and then I really screwed because I'm not even sure I'll get take other schools would I leave willows. Three hearts maybe really screwed. Because you can't spell attorney twelve and a week So anyway with the tax and we're just the latter hard to BOJ's we're really laughing so innocent love. It's the best the has been. Let me ask you this. Ben Know Ben no the stories you tell the parent corner stories. It's unclear because I worry about with this. Like yeah this car is GonNa pay for a coffin like when our kids rebel and murder. You'll get revenge later. I say I I really screwed sped I also really screwed. Four hearts are not talk to boot later. I've I'm just glad they're back together. They really are doorbell couple. Yeah Bamboo I hope they make it So this week for Thursday night football I hi The Thursday felt hollowing fell on Thursday. which Thursday night football I went Wednesday at the grove dressed as Michael Strahan's teeth and so we ended in being robbed a big gap and in the front and I ran around and terrified people at the growth and as Michael Strahan steep say saying stupid things like I have ten jobs and you know back to you earn Andrew I did? I was just stupid things and people know what was going on and Then we throw back to the Michael Strahan and he's GonNa get mad. It's something my cousin. Jimmy taught me. Just get everyone on in studio a furious at you and good things happen so we do this and at the end of the thing I have to give a pick so I take the mask off and I go to my kids my eleven year old and my five year old and one of them's dressed as a forty thirty nine or a prospector and the others dressed as an angry bird. And I'm going to say so. I say final score. Forty niners twenty seven and I Pour twenty-seven Candy Candy Corns into his. Pumpkin is plastic pumpkin and then for the five year old and Sarah an Arizona. Three PLOP PLOP PLOP and then he kicked me and then he yells back to you. Michael so that's the angry bird kicks me and that's that so now we're all home Thursday and we're GonNa Watch it all right guys. It's coming on here we go. It's on TV EH. We're going to watch and like thirty seconds. They reluctantly put their ipads down there onto. It should be a bigger deal when three fifths of the family is on TV. Right take a primetime thing okay. It wasn't at my house and even my wife was like all right. Let's if they want to watch it otherwise they can watch it live. No let's watch it now. It's on now the ones watching now. Now it's not being so jaded so they put it down they watch. They know how it's going to end with me. Giving the eleven year old twenty seven and the five year old three and I and at the point where I poured into the eleven year olds bucket twenty-seven he turns to the kid the five year olds and now the five year old jumps upset his throat and the eleven year old. Got His fingers in the five year olds. I I don't even I can't even see the end of the bit like I couldn't even hear what stray and said in response. It's the bit because they're screaming at each other and fighting and to make things about matters worse my friend Harry is. There's three hundred pounds. He's trying to get in between them. They're falling on him. They're falling all over the couch so I don't know what the moral of the story is but I just don't put your kids in bits or don't talk to your kids. I think that's immoral store. The moral of the story is is the blood feud in your house between your two sons. It's unbelievable he this recurring theme apparent corner. This is a nice thing. They're on television. How often does this is apple going to their friends? I don't think a lot. They couldn't even watch for forty seconds. I remember Bret Hart knowing heart had a whole thing where they turned on each other for like. That's that's right six months. Yeah M my brand no and were intensely watching. The game is a most intensive watch the football game all year to make sure their team one and of course forty niners that she's dopes My parents corner. It's it's you know my son went as Jack. Nicholson ghosts in from the shining for Halloween. I did not know that okay. He made my wife taken to a store where he could buy like a it kind of the overcoat. That looked like Jack Nicholson's overcoat He did his hair like Jack. Nicholson he bought an axe which I mentioned on a previous parent corner that he had bought on Amazon enacts with foam handle which he was running around plunging into people's chests and they were legitimately terrified till they realized this movie with with him. It was at this year We've watched it we. He was watching it when he was like five. I'm not a good not a great father. Yes so he went as Jack. Nicholson probably need the limp. The whole thing and that leads into his birthday which is next day so he'd thirteen kids over. Oh I left out the part Halloween. We ran out of Halloween candy because we had so many people in my neighborhood really that it was. I think the first year we and my wife always buys like an Insane Amount Mattie candy and we actually ran out. We bought my son's Halloween candy from him. He he had him and his friend. Ben Williams They had this big garbage because they had been going on for five hours and we negotiated and we actually bought all their candy and they were all fired up about it. So that's the the going rate if I'm out. I think it was eighty dollars. Yeah yeah so they they split that so that was the worst so so then the next I mean it was really a good deal for both sides it would've caught we'd gone to CBS. That'd been huge pain in the ASS. Then charge them for his costume. That you made your wife go Out Yet. I should've I didn't think of that shoe here. So then Friday is his birthday because he was born on November first after Halloween and we we had thirteen kids here and my wife. Did you know he could rent like these big kind of blow up big screens that are attached to an apple. It's basically like your own drive in consider all right. Yes I have seen those yet so sets up the backyard and good. Boys is out on Amazon. My son's favorite movie Von that me seen it like eleven times and he got off his other friends. They're all watching. It's completely inappropriate. I can't defend it. So she sets it up for some reason can't control the volume so it's blaring when I saved blaring like it it's blaring. You could hear it on the like parents who are parking on our street. Eight Wade is far in the front here. It and this is a movie where it starts out where they're talking about like a hand job jerk off and just blaring enthrone neighborhood for two solid hours as my wife is like. I can't figure this out Dayrit doing all the volume and And we just blasted good boys to our entire neighbor. Oh that's great and It was it wasn't great at one point. Ben Is like you know what I could turn the volume lower. It's GonNa cost you seven hundred and fifty. Yeah well you know what. I don't have have any great for this week but I did post a video of this happened last Sunday but I I didn't even know the video exists. My mother shot at of my son. I'm running all the way down the field and slide tackling and taking taking a kid out and it was as red as a red card can go. I mean he ran. The length of the field saw took them outright. Ray John Goal and it has like five hundred thousand. I call them a Dick on twitter. Maybe I shouldn't have done APP as a half a million views on on twitter and and I was getting a lot of feedback mostly negative but from you. You gave me some by one. A few that gave me positive like that's good. Those are good instincts. That's terrible but those are a good instincts right now. I liked that. He has a nasty side because I think with boys soccer. You have to have that side or you're not gonNA make it so with boy said not not as necessary in girls but boys in the boy. Yeah because the boys are nasty we watch them when my daughter has the Games and there will be La boys game on a field storm. We watched him and his kids are like trying to kill each other. Really really yeah. It's interesting it because this is now. This is week eight or nine. They haven't not only having one since week. One Evans scored a goal as a team since week. One so so it's all about. This is what it is. It's all about a five year olds running after and just taking guys out because they know they can't score. aww Fun well I I have a good parent corner. That will that will Take the one you had pushed up level because involves my kid playing sports. My son Ben Football Playoffs. I game is against a team that they had beaten the week. Before by like three touchdowns. My son is in sixth grade. But he's the plan the seventh grade team Nice with four of his friends and then some seventh graders in its. They weren't going to win the whole league but they had a chance to make the finals. Potentially essentially there are twenty two to nothing in the first half and it seems like it's an I'm not there. Thank God 'cause I I honestly honestly would have lost my mind. An adenoid happen On the sidelines. It's decided that they're gonNA ease up a little bit so it's not a blowout because this is you know this is a classic thing that happens out here in La. It's a little softer at here. Let's be honest like a tiny bit. Softer the WANNA run up the score my whole feeling. It's a playoff game. He can't fuck around three scores. Is that a big enough weed when you're talking about twelve year olds My son five days earlier. Was this dress like Jack. Nicholson from the shining limping around with a fake axe. I mean these are not brain surgeons. So we's up and the other team starts starts coming back and because we had a younger team it just kind of falls apart so all the sudden it is I think I think we're up. Twenty four twenty two. We have the ball and the other sidelines going crazy. We have a chance to put the game away. We got screwed by a couple of calls. And at some point There's some car some flag or flag guarding penalty or something and one of the kids that are team goes. That's fucking bullshit Again you take one gas. Who who got the ten yard penalty for that Wasn't your son Ben. Well it's even worse because they thought it was somebody else on the team and they gave him the penalty and the kid that they gave the penalty to is somebody who had never swear unlike my degenerate son who was so mad that they were losing this game that he just lost it and swearing and then Tenure penalty go backwards. It ends up missing the drive so now he's like hangs up bad not fifteen ten which one ten yard penalty tenured swearing penalty football. So now. He's so upset. He feels like he caused the game. But we're still winning and he's upset in the sidelines. Golfing comes down. They get a play in. Its support the clock supposed to run in the games post and for some reason they stopped the clock Give them a chance for like a hail. Mary throw which of course they complete eighteen Liz's and we get knocked out of the playoffs in round one for having a twenty four point finally. Yeah or twenty point lead. Whatever was? That's not good. And then my son is convinced that because he swore during the game and they they didn't put the game away the last drive that is as well listen and then you probably said no no no. It's not your fault. Let them take one of these every now and then let them say yeah ban. Yeah you should have done anything we did say you know. This is what happens. This is we tell you not to swear and then you actually swear and you get a ten yard in a playoff game right so I think there's some fuck off mark. We discussed like pushing our favorite teams on our kids kids and you know he like me is not from the city of the team that he roots forward. You would never born in Cleveland. You were like a kid and you like Brian Sipe and everything. Everything and I was a cowboys fan. I like anyway and we have forced our children to watch these teams in some some that makes sense to a lot of people. Maybe it's too harsh but where where does it end so I played football in high school and I wrestled in high school and I wanted my kids to play football a great team sport. I love the smell of the grass. Everything about it. It's awesome if we can get get past his mother to agree. Let's do it so he played football. You had a great time. I also wrestle and I never told him I thought he should wrestle but he convinced the kid on the football team to go out for the wrestling team and now he's finding out it's hell and it really is you. Did you wrestle like it really is. It's it's the toughest practice you have to be in shape you your wrestling around with sick people all year long you know. I remember playing basketball in high school and college and Wrestler's running the stairs. That's like sweat shirts and the heaviest possible closed. And they just looked like they were in the seven. So yeah you're sucking weight and yeah three and a half months long and it's nothing seems fun about it at all. Yeah I actually think it's stunted my growth trying to lose weight I'll blame losing like fifteen pounds for like four weeks in a year on that but but and now he's doing it and I feel like to be like me and I feel bad because I never had this talk with him. He's like boy. I'm I'm getting my ass kicked checked and I was like yeah. That's what's going to happen the whole first year. You don't have any skills you don't know any move you're going to get beat up and he's like well. I think I'm just going to do this for one year. Now I feel awful Mike Right. You're you're never had a chance to get good if you only do it for one year but I would hate for you to do it for more than one year. Because it's it's it's the toughest work at it. You get like you get disciplined that like the army ca teach you stop and you can handle yourself in a fight for the most part if if it ends up on the ground but you also end up with Empha- TAGO and other terrible diseases ages when some poor school doesn't want their Matt's down and you have like a big red marks on your on your neck for all February so I don't know what do I I don't know how honest we need to be with our kids for like. Do you have to have a checklist of art. Here's all the things I've done. Here's all things I've known for. Here's what I want to avoid like. I wonder for at that stage. If that's a good way to go about it but I feel bad that I've now done this to this kit. That's all. Does he like it though he likes it. But it's also part of the curriculum. So you're either taking football or you're taking wrestling either doing football workout in the off season we were you get credit or you get wrestling credit. You have to do some kind of sport. Yeah that's what it is. Now you'll get credit for that. And he's he's I think he feels like he's going to disappoint. See to be wrestling. Being in gymnastics are very similar in this respect. If you talk to people who are grown adults who did it when they're in high school or college we'd be like would you do it again if you had attic. Oh God no I would never do it. Yeah and I think that's important for kids to now. It's so good on so many levels but I just like I just feel bad. I don't know as I said earlier watched myles Garrett Helmet swing thing live waiting for the contender fucked over. The basketball one is if you wanted to throw the fifth pack doc and my son just happened to come down. The Sun is the best time of all time comes out of the middle left in the game. And he's watching it and the fight happens and they show Garrett Swinging the helmet and Joe Buck is reacting like this. Is You know like a boat is sinking in the Hudson River. Suddenly he's so the gravest tones and Troy Aikman's just appalled Paldon. And it's just this appalling moment and my son is laughing and he thinks this is like he's like who's this guy did this. I love this Guy Myles Garrett Keith. He immediately thinks that's like professional wrestling right. So then he's asking. How can I get a Mouse Care Jersey? Would it be weird if I were to school. My two who favorite players are byles Garrett of his perfect he has watched bird-flu Youtube and now wants to go as myles Garrett for the next Halloween he wants to wear Browns Jersey and Kerry ran a steelers helmet. And just go around our neighborhood asthma's Garrett he loved this he thought it was hilarious on a on a tour of talk shows. This would be a very original take really coming in bringing in as well fifty days to maybe forget it before the next. So Mas Gary of one one fan out there all right well Thanksgiving coming up and you know I have a five five year old and you know at school brown Thanksgiving they they do it up. They'll make like paper plates with With fall leaves on them or paper plates who could turn into like like a Pumpkin pie or something and then they do like a controversial. Like feather thing to commemorate the first thanksgiving. That's that's no now Hogan's a native American cells schools do it some don't and he also made an apron with his picture on it and his name underneath and he gets his thing and he takes it home and his name is Harrison. But it's written out and we don't know if this is a helper kindergarten helper or teacher but it's H. H. A. R. R. I S.. The end has got they ended. Make it then make the plate of his too small to narrow to fit the end so it says Harris Oh and then me and the wife and two brothers just start laughing and calling him Harris Oh and he attacks us all he goes crazy. He's like you know the guy who hasn't been tagged in for fifteen fifteen minutes like finally stomping his foot and finally gets tagged in he comes out all of us like a house of fire like throwing haymakers because we're calling them Harris Oh deployment the point where my wife is just like cut it out. Stop it right now and I was like I cannot stop it. I WANNA call Harris for the next at least six years. It was like no. You need to grow up here and so I grew up for the rest of the evening but The remainder of the week I snuck a Harris in there at least once a night. And she's like he's he's going to go to therapy. I mean he just attack us I just I love it but this this is abuse right so good. It's he resides so much by side because my son we did the same thing that the attack in without being tagged read aren't just just sweeping haymakers and those five year old haymaker punch is really hurt like they land either inside inside growing balls right. Hit all things that don't normally get punched. Yeah and they don't feel good does not feel great right. I'm I'm like hey maybe not GonNa let you watch Eleven hours of raw and smackdown. Whatever may view was denied survivor series? Take it easy I I was GONNA do my Yesterday bannon I played like five hours of so mad and two thousand twenty. This is not a plug bad in two thousand twenty S. This game called knockout. That ben loves that superstar knockout And we played for like five straight hours. It's R- it's really fun. So they're quick. It Games are like ten minute games. Ben's doing defense. I'm doing offense. And he's shutting people down and then on offense and then I'll throw a pick the lose the thing and he's just a salty me and Brady be was swears at one point. Zoe comes in is Ben. You can't talk to dad like that McKee's fine. He's fine. Let the boy. Yeah get the Fuck Outta here. So I D- and and Ben's like we should livestream this and and I'm like no we absolutely should livestream this. They'll be the worst idea ever. You're swearing a bay He's just he's told the story of a million Elian People's those kind of the same thing. He hates losing which way hates losing. which makes it such a shame that he doesn't have like a favorite like football team right? 'cause you know like the cowboys situation tripping you take like the intensity psychotic nature of how handles these losses. And if it had been unlike the tripping call like he would punch Donald trump junior right right right so had that experience and then Zoe's boyfriend was over his huge broncos fanny watched football ball with us And he's got a fantasy team. Nice Mellow Kid. He's watching the broncos. We have them one of the. TV's for while they're just getting demolished. I he's okay with it he's like I thought we could lose. I'm just thinking like man which is funny how this stuff works out like this is? This is the son I thought I would the had and instead add the son. WHO's assaulting me as we share? This batted stupid super knockout game and is calling me a Dick Jerk. I I can't believe you blew. It is throwing the controller She was never now. Be Calling you a dick in no time. Just wait it out. It's fine I I want him him to get to know Harrison so he can call him Harris. Oh and then they can just fight each other. That'll be that'll be it. They'll fight got so we're on a it's Thanksgiving I got my parents are there. They're not speaking to each other as a whole crazy dynamics you know might thanksgiving and my parents are there My friend our friend Don Barris there he warms up. Jimmy Kimmel live his girlfriend My friend can Harry's Harry's tens Butler we we. We have a lot of misfits with a lot of family. Then we have my immediate family there so the kids run around Archie. My oldest is watching football with us. My youngest youngest is watching football with us. My Middle Kid Jack It's going to be twelve years old in February. He doesn't really want anything to do with us so he goes up on his IPAD and gives. That's exactly as much time as we have for dinner that that's how much we're going to see him so because he knows he has to be at the table and when we go around the table. Say What we're thankful for. He barely gets OUTTA. I'm thankful for my parents and my family my friends. Oh that hurts them even say that and then he eats and he's like go up. Can I go plan my ipad again. Like yeah fine whatever just just do we don't want you throwing a fit. That's fine go play on your IPAD APPS so we eat. We eat dessert and then with Karaoke being My wife has friends over. Burn some some more friends combined. We're doing karaoke to like eleven thirty at night. And we haven't seen Jack and hours and Jack comes down. Grabs the Mike Pull Pau puts in a song. AC DC's TNT knocks it out of the park. I didn't even know he knew this song. And he's he's not even using. He's playing to the crowd he's not even using the The words on the screen he's doing TNT and then if that wasn't isn't enough he fouls it up with what's what's the NWEA song there California love what shallow -Fornia I love. It is going crazy. And he's talking like he really feels the lyrics. Yeah you know he's talking talking about We in that sunshine state with a bomb ass hamby and a diamond shine looking like I robbed liberace and he knows it. In the good old city city of watts huge really looking at us and fill in the music and then he's done. Then he drops the mic like Chapelle and walks off. And that's it we didn't see and the rest of the night so there you go coamerica jackass. He's twelve in February at tastic. So My son who turned twelve Earlier this month he. He's just bannered Dick Lately. He's just how much of a Dixie so bad so bad I I hate him he's Dick and And invite can get away with it with my wife because as you know the the mother son Blonde is just unbreakable right and there could be ninety two straight offenses and then three minutes of hugging. Are It just just affection for the MOM and Ause Raton. If our judicial system worked like motherhood was sons everyone would just get out of prison immediately so we we've come. I think so. He came up with this term but when ban is like just being addict we call benched rating that is offensive rated so there's been a lot of benched rating lately and And on Thursday night he was just such a deck and just the whole day and he was just a huge pain in the ass and then at the end of the night my wife was mad at me. And she's like I'm like what are you mad at me. What did I do? She's like you know he just. He acts like a deck. And then you know you don't you don't step in and then I have to be the bad guy and and now I'm getting bland so I go talk to Ben. I'm like look you gotTA stop being addicted. Your mom like this. Is Your mom be nice. I know we're in the family. Were together are there all the time all that but this is your mom you you you have to listen to her. You can't like snappier. And Yeah She's the one that's always on your side. Yeah and you're a nice kid like you don't get to it. Just be a deck and then think like. It's funny so I talked to him. I go downstairs come back up. And he's just lying on the bed with their cuddling and she's totally forgotten the whole thing and it's a I just the whole thing it's like thirty seconds of him just pouring it on and and that's it she's back in the palm of his hand. I don't understand it. Well he he understands it. He's figured it out right. So he's ferret out he. I'll tell you he hasn't figured out With Kyle they'll really yeah. Kyle's going to throw him through the Sofa at some realist too. Yeah he's so anyway I don't know what the rules are. First Salting your kids but I'm gonNA Google them after we finish the podcast Google. It's good I think you're GonNa like what you find all right. This is not going to make me look too good but none of them do so. It doesn't really matter so My son is wrestling. He's a ninth grader. Every week or so he has like a novice tournament somewhere or different this week. It was in Santa Monica. Now here's the thing. There's no buses for the freshman and sophomore so they have to get to the wherever it is on their own so will luckily My wife has to drop them off at the school. He's car pooling At six fifteen in the morning and he gets the Santa Monica he weighs in. He's been wrestling for like three weeks. He doesn't have many skills other than what I've taught him and then threw a few practices and he's heavy. He's like six foot one. He's one hundred and fifty three hundred fifty five pounds and so he's wrestling all sophomores. Pretty much so it. It's it's been a rough road and he gets there and the way the way classes out here. You don't get like it. You know the word Niagara was one thirty two thirty eight one forty five and I think it's like that here too to get varsity but here when you get to the tournament they take all the kids in a pool and they bracket get him off like every fifteen pounds so he was in the one fifty to one sixty six way class. He's one fifty three because he over eight on Thanksgiving so now he's wrestling older kids. Bigger kids more skilled kids thirteen pounds so I was like all right. Call me when they call the one twenty pounders and I drive over to Santa to Monica so he i I said text me. Text me I get there. And he's about to wrestle and gets flattened in the second pair like the kid obviously had good morning like center of gravity was closer to one seven nine and one fifty. It wasn't even close so he comes up he's like I think that's it was like Oh shit you're quitting when he says no no. No I think that's it was double limitation already lost earlier. I was like what are you talking about. You just called me as what you wrestle. Ten minutes ago Yeah Wrestle like twenty five minutes ago with A. WWe Don't they give you what is does is dumb. He's like is like so what happens. Now there's no bus he's like well. I should stick around so yeah I think you should stick around. Wash the rest of your kid th the tournament so I call my wife my hey no reason to come out here. It looks like archie done for the day. And she's like Oh. I wanted pizza in Santa Monica onic. Joe's pizza you've been there right. Yeah one of the best. It's great and I was like all right. I don't care I'm out here if you WANNA make the drive that's fine We watch a few more matches. The tournament ends ends. We go to Joe's pizza He's down in the dumps. We order apply half pepperoni cheese. It's great and I I have One slice about my second slice and A homeless man and the homelessness is crazy and Santa Monica. He walks in and asks. Can I have a slice of pizza. And there's three slices left. It's one pepperoni two regular and My son Archie is like Oh yeah of course and hands him the Pepperoni and my well alot. I want the Pepperoni and now we have a curb your enthusiasm where everybody not only my family but everyone in the place is looking at me. It was like I want. I want the PEPPERONI. I don't mind bartering with a slice but just analyze. The homeless guy was looking at me. Like come on dude you from getting me. I don't even know that. He he likes pepperoni. It was just offered the right. If he didn't make say that he preferred Pepperoni. Why are we offering the Pepperoni but archie gives gives be everybody gives me the look? I'm beat now and He walks off with Pepperoni and my father. I'm very I'm very Charitable giving Tuesday. I'd you know I'd get a ton but and I could have just bought another slice for another two hundred two dollars and fifty cents. But was I wrong to want the pepperoni in that. On instance e yeah. I mean that's definitely you should ask everyone at the table. If they want the PEPPERONI. Thank you Obama's yeah right okay okay so it sounds like it was a really fun car ride home after it was really. My father is a lunatic taken pepperoni from the homeless homeless guy. I'm worried about homeless people's clogged arteries I e cheeses. You'd better so I was on the phone the other day right and In my wife and my daughter were downstairs in the kitchen and my son came down the stairs. He was crying so we thought he was is crying holding the back of his head. And we're like Oh my God like he fell off the bunk bed or he fell doing arrest move or he jumped off the off the dresser. Yes sir and onto his wrestling like all the other usual things you do to get hurt now. He he hadn't gotten a haircut in a long time In his hair is like Kyle. It's it's his hair was crazy yet was getting unruly. It was it was just. I can't even describe how long was and add a controller was and and you can get away with this in California and he decided he was getting a mullet in the back so he took. He took the scissors. Like you would use to you know to to cut paper something And he tries to cut the mullet in the what he thought was like a melody in the back and then he didn't do it even and then he went to the right it and then all of a sudden he had basically gut now looks like now he looks like Mo- from the three stooges in the back and and he's crying a bit rude by hair and we're like been you serious like how free convener ruined by hair super upset and and His inconsolable. So that carries like I'll fix it fix it and they go upstairs they come back down and she's she comes down. I and gives us the Look Means Zoe. The look like whatever you do. Don't start laughing like that. That looks like okay. So he comes down and we're like Oh looks good it looks good it looks terrible. It looks looks like he has. He's a twelve year old with a toupee so so about ten minutes eight. I just can't take AK start making fun of him. He gets super upset. He runs upstairs so then the next next two days he goes to school where a ski cap so his whole back head but the ski caps pulled down. So you can't see that like his toupee shelf back of his head so then carry takes him to somebody. Somebody close to us like somebody close to our house to just get a psychologist. uh-huh probably should've had a salon. That's like in our neighborhood just to quickly like fix it up so it looks better. She's not I'm GonNa fix them fix them. I am so all right. Great well I think I think just cut it. He's had crew cuts before he's had. He's you know. Tight cuts whatever. Just kinda start over. She's a no no she can fix it so he comes back. And now it's like a bowl haircut And I I'm dying up caught a Dorothy Hamill member. Dorothy Hamill's haircut cat from the nineteen seventy six and we're gonNA hurt his feelings because he has no idea 'cause now qazis actually a good ball buster so now he's making fun of himself and and it just wearing a cap every day and we're call him dorothy and Connor Cagney and lacey all these different things. He doesn't even get the jokes. I'll make I self laugh and And so he has that going for a couple days and then finally kyle steps in and takes him to Fernando. The barber cows is Barbara and and Ben and actually ends up this Saturday yesterday with a with eight pretty cool haircut I yeah it was. It was a four day odyssey but the port listed here is at. Don't cut your own hair right. Yeah for those scoring tears Girl for girl for sure for boy. Yeah it's it's bad in his defense. The back of his hair was completely mangled it actually look like a hate. Crime had been committed like somebody had jumped on him on the sidewalk and covered activists hands so anyway. So there he doesn't. He's got a Mohawk before. All right. That's the thing he's had a Mohawk at crew cuts. He's at all this stuff but he's just he's lost his mind south. You're on the clock. Yeah I can hold on. We're not going to be able to hear. But is there speakerphone really. Yeah there's got what's going on. We're Kinda slave driver right. I mean it is. We're having Christmas Eve right now. Wherever I mean what kind of would i? How many how much the people need to hear we're done? WE'RE ABOUT TO DO PARENT QUARTER DIVA pair corner. Yeah have a parent corner I. It's here's the parent. Corners Sal L. is nowhere near his children on Christmas Eve parent corners empty. There's no parent in the parents have apparent coordinator for you though all right let's hear it. Okay so you know the Elf on the shelf is a big thing in our house. Yeah and like a big thing like it consumes uh-huh uh-huh because we forget it then we have to lie the whole next day so we try to remember it and most of the time we do but my daughter chain who's five years old old says where does the go at night and my wife Molly says well the Gulf coast to the North Pole to hell Santa. What he saw in Jane says is will? How does he get all the way back here the morning? And Molly says well magic I guess and jade says am I supposed to believe all of this. He's five bucks. That's fantastic the smart kid kindergarten. Don't we'll watch out. She'll be lurking on the stairwell when you're putting the the presence on their China see what's going on right now. Yeah Als- children are opening their gifts and Is that really true. Yeah Oh we gotta finish then. Yes that's why I came up because people because our tears downstairs. Where's daddy and I and everyone's saying well daddy's doing a podcast and every risk? What's a podcast as well as you know you'll know when you're a little bit older hit a podcast is but Right now daddy's doing it and it might as well be heroin. You might as well say daddy's doing heroin. Role is rolling grew. Oh Jesus Advisory Corollas totally sober and bonding with his children. Right now no way. Meanwhile sal is you should see where sal is right now. He might as well be sitting in my bathroom. I don't believe the Corolla thing for a second part of that rule with crew all of that or nor do I believe the Alpha the chef it. Well I'm glad I'm excited. I got a chance to be part of parent quarter. That's really White House. Great thanks for coming on Jimmy. Okay I'M GONNA wind the wind down all right. I'm not going to top that parent corner so you WanNa borrow that for your parents. All right I mean yeah yours is say hi to the family. Merry Christmas happy Hannukah all that stuff and And we'll talk to you before Ron One. Okay good good all right right well I might as well go right to Christmas morning. got a fourteen year old very appreciative. Everything and the other two kind of Bratty twelve year old and six year old tomorrow. five-year-old turn six and they open like fifteen presence each. We're very blessed. Everyone they get. We have a lot of cousins dozens and everything so the gifts are coming in all safe from Santa on it. You know Santa this anthem that everyone believes not not the fourteen year old but the twelve year old still believes and the now six year old for sure believes and all we need is a picture of them by the tree after everything and after they open these gifts. I'm like all right. Let's get a picture and they're like oh two young ones like dad enough already. Just get out of our faces and I was like you sons a bitches you I can't even count on how much money and how much wrapping and everything else goes on and I was like. Hey We got you all these gifts at least you can do is take a picture and the twelve year old is like you'd you didn't get him for us. Senate did like that's it. I'm doing a blown off twelve years old. You can't you can't do I'm not I'm not I'm not. I have to tell him. First of all this kid had access to porn. He seemed porn online and he believes in that and Santa. I don't think there's an overlap lap. I don't think you can believe in both I really don't I don't think there should be one. Day is pornography by accident and believe also and Santa and I was ready and and she was holding me back. My wife like mic was holding rocky back when the statue was unveiled and he was going after clubber Lang outside there. And I really I was is GonNa blow the whole thing but i. I showed some restraint and I held back. And we got the picture. And it's a shitty picture and Shitty kids. They happy holidays. Today's you didn't get us anything. What is saying that it is funny to have the holidays where you have a lot more time with your family family? Yeah and then you need a holiday from the holiday right Last we went back. The Simmons family. My Dad's family. Mid Ad has six brothers and sisters. Yeah they celebrate Christmas every year. Because you know their parents are dead and they've just the very close Irish family So Oh last year we actually went back surprised. My Dad and we crashed the Yankee Christmas swap. We brought gifts and they ended up. They had some extra again so we are all in it and it goes around and Ben a year ago. Gets this gift that includes these scratch cards. And he's oxide. Walk cited by scratch cards so go through the whole order and then after as you know the Yankees Swab then it goes then you countdown in reverse and if you don't like your gaffey can swipe it as it goes from elephant. You're calling Yankees or whatever we call Yankee. Swap is often so it's going backwards and three to one. He's holding his scratch cards like he's just about to do it and with like five spots to go my cousin. Lauren Sir Terry. She goes over and swaps gifts with Ben Head. It takes the scratch cards which I'm ethically was pretty dubious. I felt like I think like eight over maybe under age. Thirteen eighteen you you kinda. Don't take the kids gift. Would it would have been myra takes again. How bad has no scratch cards in Ben's devastated by pretending his not but more more importantly knowing Him and knowing that he can fly of the handle? I'm not worried he's GonNa have like fly off the handle and start to start are being like the offense occurred at our Friday takes and just go nuts. He reigns it in then on the way home. It's like never never go to Yankees up again. Socks talks bullshit. He's just furious so we call them down so then he's talked about it for the whole year. About how wants to go back to Yankee swap and take Lawrence Gif with towels. She's like in her mid thirties. Curb your cousin it's my cousin. Yeah She's in her early thirties. So for a year he's like it it's vacillated between I'm never going back back. No I hate the Simmons family too. I WANNA go back. I'M GONNA take learns gift right because he's a maniac so then we use wise ordering knives on his. Yeah he tried to bring those on the plane So we didn't we're GONNA go back and then last minute we decided we'd go back. So we go back but the catches cousin Lauren. She's not a Yankee swap. Sue Now ben. Ben Can't get revenge. Right Yankee. Swap happens Lawrence. Brother ends up getting scratch cards Ben on the way back takes the scratch cards from Lawrence brother against the revenge and is acting like it's this is the eighty six red sox going back into Shea and take the world series. Gets the scratch cards back back and is now like riding I ever since because he is a lunatic. That's great so yeah the Little Nice Holiday Family Story Story for you and I'm going to go under two dollars and fifty cents WanNa know scratch when two dollars out of like fifty dollars scratcher. Good Call Yeah there you go yeah got out. It's a couple of heartwarming holiday stories. That's if opinion corner two thousand eighteen. We have one more BS. podcast coming coming this week. Don't forget about CARMAX DOT com fifty thousand carmax vehicles. Nationwide all available stop by your local carmax for details and discover how easy buying a car at Carmax can really be the forget about the rewatch. ables Quentin Tarantino as well dunkirk. That is up now and book. A basketball comes back next week. As was the second episode. The rewatch was and all the other awesome podcast. We have on the ringer. PODCAST worked. Plus don't forget about the ones that we put up this week. Some nuance leads. 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Tiger's Comeback, McVay vs. Belichick, Ryder Cup Struggles, and NFL Wagers With Tony Kornheiser and Joe House | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 421)

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Tiger's Comeback, McVay vs. Belichick, Ryder Cup Struggles, and NFL Wagers With Tony Kornheiser and Joe House | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 421)

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I did a Ryder Cup thing with Roger Sherman that's up as well. Check that out on Twitter and on YouTube and a whole bunch other places. Kyle wind is a, what is one shining podcast go to to a week that'll be it'll be beginning of October, I believe, beginning of October, or is it November we talk about. Titus gets here in like two, two, two weeks. So I imagine he won't wanna do two week. Okay, last but not least wanted to mention one of the most popular Bs podcast. I think I've ever done was with Scott Harrison who is. The guy who founded charity water, which is incredible charity that you should check out if you wanna check out charity, water dot org. He wrote a book, it's called thirst a story of redemption, compassion and emission to bring clean water to the world, and it's about his journey about everything that he's done. The last I don't know decade or so, however long he's been doing this and he does great work is a great guy. Hundred percent of the author's net proceeds from the sale of thirst will fund charity water projects around the world. So the money basically goes, doesn't even basically goes right to the charity. I mentioned this because we did a podcast, I think, probably two years ago. I don't know. It was. It was my say it was in two thousand sixteen, but it was really great. It was one of the one of the best ones we've done. And if you didn't hear that the first time around, I would encourage you to go and check that out. It was. Of all the pods we've done. I think we've done for our. We have four twenty twentieth yes. Yes, it is four twenty. Why don't you tell me? I'm sorry. I knew it. We should have done a special four twenty episode. You knew it was so burning you nephew house of Brady. Yeah. So out of the four hundred twenty one, this is four twenty. When that we've done. I got a lot of feedback on that one at the mental to a lot of people. The book if you like that podcast, I would definitely check out the book. It's fantastic. That's it. It's called thirst. It's by Scott Harrison. Check it out. Coming up my uncle, Tony, Tony Kornheiser as well as Joe has. We're going to bang out some Ryder Cup depressing. Talk was NFL picks, but I, our friends from pro Jim. All right on the line right now, my uncle, Tony, Tony, Kornheiser he loves this. Tiger Woods is back. Football is going, basketball's coming. This is you will have never gotten a lot better than this. I think we've always sort of gotten along it it sort of, here's the thing that's remarkable when you find out that people who have been together for x. amount of years hate each other. He's look if I think, what are we doing wrong? How do we still like each surely something is going to explode eventually, but it never has tied her tiger reignites the marriage. He really, he really. We both. We both play golf. I play it more poorly than he does, but it's not like he's going out on tour anytime soon. And we both watch tiger for so long and thought that he was just so good. And then he and Bill, you know this, he is completely responsible for what happened to him his own hand. This isn't some terrible combination of events this. This is him in terms of what happened to his marriage to his career. It's coupled with injuries, and we all understand that. But he was so far down that video of him is that within the last year or certainly within the last sixteen months, that video of him made you think Mike God, he could be actually addicted to painkillers. Couldn't possibly imagine that in what is a very relatively short amount of time. He would come back and be good. Then quite good. And now to the point where it is realistic to believe that he can win majors. A legit rock-bottom. It seemed like in that car with the painkillers house, your friend house was on here last week. We're trying to figure out the the most improbable career comebacks we've seen 'cause everybody talks about Bobby Jones. When he broke his back, came back from that. Nobody even expected. He was going to walk again, Maryland, buke him back from cancer. We forgot Ted Williams last week who's in the Korean war and just came back and was hitting three fifty again, where does this one rank for you? Yup. I mean, I'm not sure it's high as been HOGAN gets an automobile crash and you know this whole body shattered. But I mean, it's, you don't when you see that video, it's one thing to see tiger missing chips. You know, when he's practicing and you say, okay, you know there's some considered a tremendous amount of mental aspect in golf, but when you when you see that video, you say, my God, you know, you have to worry about his health and personal safety in ways that you don't have to other kinds of athletes. So it's it's pretty high up, not you know, he's got a win majors to complete that. He's got a again, be threat to Jack Nicklaus for the career career. You know, all time amount of majors, but it's it's a pretty. It's a pretty stunning comeback. It really is swagger coming back has been the most shocking even when they were introduced. Teams standing ovation. The other day, you know, he's just his chest is out again. You know, he doesn't see might this beaten down doodoo embarrassed himself and barest his family and just wants to get back in our good graces. He actually is carrying himself a little bit like an alpha against that was nice to see. I missed alpha tiger, not as much as he used to with the one thing that I and I'm not a big believer that people change. But in this particular case, when you see him interviewed, he has a softness that you never saw before that's introspection and never think of him as introspective. He's got a little bit of that. The thing he told sif, sans when he just won the FedEx Cup tournament and by the way Justin Rose. I mean, that's a clown show you pumping your fist 'cause you're gonna win ten million dollars to check teicher. He's made it possible for you to make any money at all in the world. But at that point when he told sans, I. I was worried I was worried I was going to start crying eighteen. You would never have associated that kind of a motion with Tiger Woods before because he's the motion was all I thought fed by still eighty. And I'm not sure that that's true now. And I think the other thing is I don't think the players who played with tiger for the majority of his career, particularly liked them. They might have admired him, but I don't think they liked him. I think the younger kids now in a way it seems like they're almost rooting for him if it's at their expense because they know in the long term surpass him, but I think they were actually happy for him to have won that tournament last week and that never would have happened before. Don't you think. In Washington when MJ came back on the wizards which has been kind of unfairly maligned. Now, as as like, didn't work, it actually had some fun moments. It wasn't the worst thing in the world, but the way the young guys responded to him during the times when he was on reminded me a little of the tiger thing 'cause there is, you know. Case, Jordan was hired to be the general manager, and then they made an agreement that he'd play a little bit and he played fine. He's not Michael Jordan. He played fine. He sold out every single game home in Rhode that he played, and he and rich to the people, the pockets of the people who own the team and boosted the value that franchise and then was cashiered out of town. Obviously, can we go back to you? Excoriating Justin Rose for celebrating ten million dollar check. Nobody loves buddy more than you. I feel like you would have held the ten million dollar check over your head and then laps around the green for like twenty five minutes. I would have done that privately at home at night when with. But the fact that I would shot three over on a Sunday. I don't mind him getting the check. It was the way he celebrated like this was an enormous accomplishment. He got his brains beat out on Sunday still had enough, you know, he had a par five on the eighteen. Then everybody was birdieing everybody Pacific time Friday morning. And as usual America's getting crushed in the Ryder Cup on on foreign soil. I'm hoping that it doesn't lead to Saturday and Sunday almost becoming insurmountable. But it seems like we're heading that way to people actually care about the Radyr. Is it just older, white guys like us? I think I think that people like the Ryder Cup because it's a fun event because it's so much different than what they usually do and people like to watch it and see how it works. I think if you do well in it, like in Poulter and Colin Montgomerie if you do well in it, it burnishes your. Za may. I think if you stinking it, nobody cares. I don't. I don't think anyone really takes it seriously. I just think it's a fun event. It's fun to see if you win. Nobody actually remembers who individually wins or loses unless it comes all the way down to the last singles match or something like that. But I, I'm not just think people have fun watching it because it is. It is so different than anything that that's played. It's sort of like to me and this is not nearly on the same level, but if you, you know, and I wouldn't say Davis Cup. But if you had that world team tennis stuff with the color coded courts and you put some good players out there on you developed it over ten or twelve or fifteen years, and people put it was fun. It would be the same sort of venue. I feel like this is always been. They should take the worst major in golf and tennis and allow the fans cheer and behave like real fence. So the PGA championship, which is the worst golf. Championship and the Estrella? Nope. In which you know, I don't feel like has the same possess as the other three. I just think everybody should be allowed to cheer and and act like maniacs during the whole time because I love the energy of the fans at the Ryder Cup is the most fun part about it. Right? Because it's like. The tennis has this, but there is that tournament in Phoenix which is sadly called the waste management open, but that particular tournament people go crazy. Well, it also all the waste management. I think it's a combination. Those two, you know, waste management and Gough think that. Fires, people. It is eight. So you've been in Washington for a long, long time, the caps, first of all, they beat the penguins which nobody ever expected to see it was it was hockey's version of Red Sox Yankees to some degree, and then they won the Stanley Cup and this this kind of secret stealth sports. Drought washed it would never get mentioned in the tortured sports. It is conversations, but it had been three, solid decades. If you were a thirty three year old DC sports fan, you had really no memory of wash anything fun ever happening wash to DC my son who's thirty two. Right? So how, right. So how things change I would talk about, you know, I would talk about Super Bowls and you know when all the success is and he was never had any of these things. Yes. Have. So what the leg, how people changed? How is the Stanley Cup changed? Washington DC. Okay, so I'm not. I'm not. I'm from. Me work where the Rangers were important, but not nearly as important as the Bruins always word of Boston. So I don't wanna. I don't wanna claim hockey knowledge or get on a high horse and talk about hockey and how important it is it. It is only marginally important in Washington, we know vege- can coming. You know, you had somebody as a lightning, rod sort of player and his failures, United people in thinking about the cats, I didn't think much about the cap. So they were choking dogs for twenty five years. But what stunned me Bill and it did it stunned me were those during the Stanley Cup, and admittedly, this is it's the right time of year. It's June. It's beautiful out at night and and the light last last until nine o'clock at night. But they had these watch parties. They had twenty thirty thousand people in various parts of the streets of Washington DC watching on giant screens, and that was the first time it ever. Hit me that the capitals were a big deal because I never thought that I thought they were distant distant fourth that they had their fifteen thousand people. And that was all they had bigger deal than I thought, and they didn't just beat the penguins. They were down to in the first series to Columbus, they lost both at home, then they swept them. They were down the Tampa and they had to win the last two. I believe a team that was better than them during the regular season. They be Pittsburgh their nemesis. And then when they beat Vegas, they beat the goalie marquan flurry who had knocked them out for ten years beat their former general manager too much fee would put together that team. So they, they got rid of all the ghosts. They got rid of all of them, and, and that was a great celebration. Ovechkin is older player now. I don't think anybody thinks they're going to win it again. I think this was the shot and that's why that's why everybody got drunk and stayed drunk. That's not drunk. Like five continents. I think he's still drug. Writing still reminded me a lot of when nuit ski one in Dallas in two thousand eleven where he had kind of, you'd been this great star for a lot of years, but people kind of given up on him as somebody that could lead a title team. And then it happened at this point of his career and kind of transformed the way people are gonna. Remember his career with Ovechkin. You can really make the case. He might be the greatest DC athlete of all time right professionally. No, because because the football is more important and you know, and John Riggins had that run? No. I mean. Rigs up there. John Riggins is. Greatest moment in Washington, modern sports history, and I ate modern by the time that I got here because why wouldn't I do that? The greatest moment is, is that run? That's the number one moment. The second moment is probably it's probably the. Cop, it's pry might be there's some other little moments, but it might be the cop might be what about when the wizards got swept in ninety seven by the bulls but gave them a really nice, nice. Three games really, really tried hard. That wasn't five of verb here swept by the. We're going to be terrific except it didn't Chris Webber, get arrested. It went. It went down and went down the drain. The went down the drain, very, very quickly would Howard. And and Weber mirror. Mirror. Didn't he go film? Wasn't that the on my giant fulfill Ming? Did the my giant movie. Okay. And then you know, he was never getting good anymore movie with Billy crystal was never any good anymore so that that disappeared very quickly. The basketball in Washington is is really, actually, it's a litany of disaster really dating in Gilbert, arenas franchise, killing moment. Forty years ago now, is they actually it was seventy eight. So now we're on here. Yeah, and the wizards beat Seattle. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, so bullets. They weren't the wizard. We're talking fifth decade now they have never made the finals. I don't even know what the top five greatest Washington Bullets. Last wizards moments where since nineteen eighty. And now you have Dwight Howard on your team, which is like just after signing a giant tumor and just having effected the great moment was probably, you know, John wall becoming the king of game six. And then would you like to go over his stats in the fourth quarter in game? Seven that and you know them, he'll never live that one down. He's celebrated title. Yeah, we to win win the series. I do. Do you buy that wall and Beal? Can't be on the same team. No, but I also don't buy that. They're a particularly great backcourt combination cause I don't see any. I don't see any particular results there. I don't. I think I think John wall continues to sort of run ahead of his team. I mean, don't for all of his talents. I, you know it. If you're gonna have the ball in your hand, all the time you gotta be sort of. You've got to have Magic Johnson's mentality. Don't you got to be able to say, how do I make everyone else better? And as opposed to I'm going to have to win this myself. So. The Christie older man. You don't like a lot of things. People have to win you over things have to win you over other than tiger what what is winning you over these days? What's making you get Sean McVeigh. I bet you like Sean McVeigh. I love Sean McVay. I'm so sorry. Well, I'll tell you play the local athlete in Washington, who I love above all others. That's max Scherzer. Total alpha dog. It is in his amazing to me that in all the years we've done PTI. We don't have a lot of baseball player guests. You know we've had, we put curcumin and Justice on a lot, but we don't have player guests. The two best guess we've ever had among baseball players have been max Scherzer and Justin invert Lander who I consider both to be total alpha dogs, right? They were on the same staff in Detroit. We think that was like. So you you're in amac's. Did you. What max shows love? Yeah. Who has any either football players? Short McVeigh was an offensive coordinator here for two years or something like that, and that the impossibly old age of thirty one became the head coach of the Rams. And I, I know that all of all of Angeles who might be listening will will appreciate this Jeff. Fisher look at Jared Goff and said, I can't stand him. I don't want him out there. He has no talent she want McVeigh got there. And in. Twenty games. Is it twenty games? Yeah. Has a guy that looks like a potential Alzheimer. He had five touchdowns he completed. I think if you look at his completions, it's something like twenty two completions for four hundred sixty five yards. And he was on everybody's fantasy bench. It's uncertain. I'm starting to wonder, and I felt this way heading in the season because I really thought the Rams are going to be great and they pick them to win the Super Bowl. Not that I'm right all the time, but I really did believe that he was special in that they had a ton of talent. And now I'm starting to think when you just watching other decimating all these teams that you'd Bill Walsh in the eighties, you had Bella check basically in the two thousands, catching the league at this time, when physicality and defense and strategy in depth and being able to manipulate the salary cap, all of these things. He was really good at. He showed up at the perfect time and was able to have this sustained period of dominance in naiad McVeigh who's clearly, you know, a little Bill Walsh had I hate to say that, but I really think he is. Walsh's partner. So on those teams, and he's coming into the league right during this new era where it's basically touch football and you can't hit guys over the middle and you can't touch quarterbacks, and he's the perfect guy for this era. So I was concerned about this last night when I went to sleep at halftime because I live in the east and I wasn't saying that whole game. 'cause I'm old. So when I woke up, I ask the people at my podcast this morning, where there any particular roughing the passer calls in the second half and they said, no, we're not. And that was important to me to know because that means he earned McVeigh or and everything. Mike Zimmer has the reputation, and I think it is justified as a really good defensive coach shred. It. I guess we're both in total agreement. This is the new NFL yes, fifty five forty eight. This is what's going to happen and it occurs to us both out, speak to that. Make thing is better equipped to do this than anybody else. That I had the coach for any possible era. He was gonna figure out whatever. But now for the first time, the way they put together this two thousand eighteen pats roster and the brain and cook strait, which when they did it, I was like, that's a smart trade. That's a classic trade. It turned out to be not a smart trae because you know, you need in two thousand eighteen is really fast guys who can get open because you're not allowed to touch anybody. So it's the, you know, the thing revolution going on in basketball, the way that people my age always hit the game and how the five players worked together, is it that is not what is going on now it's entirely different. Now. It's much more spread shooting is much more important. There's probably been no rule change ever. Not a rule change more important than basketball adopting from the three point shot. That's the whole face a basketball and without rule changes in the NFL what you're seeing these small little penalties and how. They're called and how they're not called. That has changed the game, you know, and McVay McVeigh's ahead of the others. Head of the strain was in retrospect, just really smart because now when you look at their team, they have a running back who can run and catch, which is the number one thing you want from running back. That's right. They have a really good possession receiver in Cup. They have a great deep threat with real speed is only twenty five and cooks, and then woods who is like really the perfect third receiver and Goth who's been making throws all year. I mean, shit, I, we always look at salad. I always look at the MVP ads trying to figure out who the best value bet. As we both love the Rams this year and we kept looking at girlie girlie was like, I don't know fifty to one. We never even considered Goth and Gough might be the MVP this year cough. My throat for fifty touchdowns and have like. Yeah. But if that is fifteen in one day, I mean there's gonna be a Rams MVP it's gonna come from this team. So what you look at and I'll go back to what you said before about him being a little bit wall, she it like he could be golf, could be McVay what Montana was for walls, just sort of the perfect person to carry out whatever the plan was that don't you think I-. Hundred percent agree. I have a little bit for you. Well, it's it's a name drop, which is your favorite, you love name drops. You love name dropping. You. Love will binds named jobs, but we have jobs are almost in the dick Schaap level almost even a name job. It's more like you could name the Wilbad 'cause he does it so seamlessly it. He pulls it for. He doesn't from around the ban. You don't even see it coming. Like I was at breakfast yesterday and I was eating eggs. And then Tiger Woods said to me, it past catch up. You're like, what? Wait, you were Tigra. Hold on a second. I m j on the phone. Yeah. So anyway, two weeks ago is that Matt, Damon, SAS, we're doing podcasts that's actually running next week. We did this whole podcast. We finish it and he's like, we gotta watch pats game. We had such good luck the last time, and then he said house, Tony, doing. Matt, Damon kid it? Yeah. He said, has Tony doing and. And then he goes, that was so much fun. When we watch that that game that soup. Exuberance. Yeah. Oh, at the the interception the sort of because everybody figured the game was over the other way, devastating at the interception to see these people who you watch on TV and in the movies, including you be so happy and literally jump up and down. Just jump up and down. That was wonderful. Great. That was great. Great. I knew that. So he was saying ocean's fourteen, they'll be in touch like maybe maybe you with you Elliott Gould. They're now partners or something, and I don't know, here's what you should tell if in fact you see him again. Okay. And it is that this is the province for old men basically goes like this on television. You watch sports. If you're not that interested in sports that particular night, nothing appeals to you. You start watching news channels in five minutes, you wanna kill yourself watching the news channels, then you start rolling through the movies and I've got, you know, HBO and Showtime, Starz. And I mean, I've and I've got about twenty challenge the movies and there are certain movies that it doesn't matter where we're or when I land on them. I mean all the way the way to the end and the to the first two born movies, which Damon movies. I mean all the way to the goodwill hunting. I. In all the way to the ad. So we started a, that's how much I like him. Onscreen. Hang out. That's why we started the rewatch Ables podcast here the whole principle was movies. You could jump into it any point. So we've already done my favorite movie for that. Okay. All time. Favorite movie for that. Michael, Clayton. Wow, really? Michael. I love it. Love it. I think the way to the end every single time Clooney ad is greatest. Hey, last thing. You did. You did a bunch of PT is Pablo Tori and e- eventually you just when we would talk on the phone you would talk about smarty is and initially they wanna do PTI with them because he was too young felt like yours grandfather. It's okay to deal with your nephew. Grandson is stretching it a little bit, and then you rallied back and then it was like how smart he was and you loved them them. I, it hurt my feelings. I'm just I'm just going to be. Failings. Okay. I heard that you should not have put yourself. There not a rifle of Pablo twice. Latin sui generis is your one of your own kind. And anytime you can come back, I will not just happily, I will gleefully do that show with you if I'm still alive. I felt like the older girlfriend who is like you were talking about the new Twenty-four-year-old. Before I listen, it's up to Eric ride home and Connor show. I'm ready. I'm ready to come back to DC. I'm ready to do PTI with you, and I'm ready to to eat with Joe house and overfeed you and then put you in a new and you're just slumped in there because you ate too much that will be wonderful where you plug my podcast to your millions of lives to it. Yeah, plug your podcast go. It's just the Tony Kornheiser show. It's on almost five days a week every week, except I'm so old. I'll take off a day here and there it is simply a smart adult. Talk show that. Doesn't even emphasize sports, but, but it's but is largely about sports smart adult talk shows all I wanna say PTI. Yeah, the longest running sports franchise. We have. Is that right? 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It is now nine eighteen Pacific time in the morning on Friday and to nobody's surprise the most predictable part of my weekend other the my dad falling asleep on the couch tonight when because he's visiting the America got just killed on foreign soil yet again, why does this keep happening house. Oh. Keeps happening because we keep reinventing the wheel out of questionable. Pairings on the American side. It worked out okay. In the morning, it did not work out in the afternoon. Foursomes we got swept. It was a four zero sweep. That hasn't happened in some number of years, twenty five thirty years as a bunch of stats out there that you can check out the c. put a put the fine points on the ads whipping that the US took, but stuff like putting Phil Mickelson a notorious Lee, bad player in alternate shot and airing him with Bryson d Shambo, a rookie who with whom he has a decent reporter, but who is being put in the impossible position of having to bail out bad. Phil Mickelson T-Bills. That's a tough one. Yeah. Tell you up sevens. They got boat ROY. Aced. Maybe they should have put fill with somebody who loves to gamble, and just that person could have gambled with Phil and Phil could've forgotten that he was in an alternate shot. Matchup thing could have played, you know, he could've played in in the morning playing his own ball and I would have had him paired, you know, if you have to play Phil today, this is the challenge of it. And I, I understand how hard it is for for captain furic fill fill is an eminence. So he has the play by form. He should sit right. He really should only play one match today tomorrow. And then just play singles because he's been in bad form last couple of weeks, but he has to play if he has the play, the don't put them in a position to fail. Yeah, let them go play his own ball, put him with captain America. Patrick read and see if Patrick Rican sparked that fire. We know Phil response to, you know, kinda getting stirred up that that combination his. Best partner in all of the Ryder Cup history is Keegan Bradley, and they had a real thing going. They were. They were real Rah Rah. We'll Patrick read knows how to do the Rah Rah that I would let them play their own balls this morning. The one thing I'm happy not happy I we had our own separate conversation in on the shock on Tuesday. I noted that that I would be worried about Tommy Fleetwood and he and and and Frankie Molinari went out and won both their matches and the the problem is that tiger and Patrick read that pairing net now read is, is his only gonna play, you know, possibly three more times. So I mean. I mess it up through three more times, right? Yeah. The only played the morning. He's not playing the afternoon. He is our best match play player by Ryder Cup history in and we put him in the position where he's he lost and he's out so knows points at all from Patrick read on Friday, the most total points you can get out of him is three points that kinda compromising your best chance at success. That's all terrible. He notices terrible having a root for Patrick read, but I did it. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what we learned this week. The ringers Megan Schuster much beloved ringer employees who loves America, but also loves Tommy Fleetwood, you know, it happened. She, what is she do? She weird for Tommy Fleetwood. She denies it. She she claims. She didn't, but I know what actually happened. I think she rooted for Tommy. I don't. I don't think she's capable rooting. It's Tommy Fleetwood so well. She did a great, you know remembrance piece on the Rory. Patrick read combat hand to hand combat from the two thousand sixteen Ryder Cup. She and I always enjoy her golf stuff. So I'll indulge her rooting for whoever's in her heart. You can't really get mad or she's rooting for the golfing Jesus. I now well, maybe she's a sports bigamist. Maybe she's able to just juggle to sports Bassus. Really golf, you're just rooting for a guy? Yeah. How did not grade do today? He lost. He was paired repack read and they lost three and one to Molinari headed it. How is he hitting the ball though? Did he great? He would have been perfect for alternate shot. He indeed Shambo would have been an awesome team. That's how I would've brought Bryson d Shambo into the mix Friday afternoon. Alternate-shot tiger off the TD Shamba Tigers scrambling game remains just impeccable short game his the flops, and the chips and the the bumps and the runs. God is so good right now. He's at the very tippy top of tiger powers in the short game. So can we come back my dad's all weekend and this is all he's gonna care about more than the to soccer games that he gets to go to the baseball double header, my son and. Just everything that's going on. All he cares about as a writer Cup. Then have had a close enough. We were our, our team is deeper, and we have decided advantage in the singles matches on Sunday. We just have to stay within arm's reach. We can't be down more than four and a half points going into Sunday. That's what I would say. Which year pain are you most afraid of. Still still Tommy Fleetwood. I mean, I just think he's, he's already he's a rookie which is kinda weird in the same way, the Justin Thomas is a rookie those guys on a big stage for two years now, it just is, you know, the happenstance of timing that this is their first Ryder Cup experiences. I think he's just a total bad ass. He was making birdie putts all over the place on tire. I'm not saying Patrick read, that's my guy. He he has a bunch of my money from me betting on him on every major this year and losing each time. But I, I have no regrets speaking of money losing I went. We banned from the podcast last week. 'cause you're mush fear suspension end. We've allowed you back. I went one and three last week without you. I am now basically dead even for the year. I, I will say though I should have won the Tampa game. I think if Tampa and Pittsburgh played ten times on Monday night in Tampa, Tampa wins eight. It was just one of those games. A bunch of dump turnovers in the first half. And they couldn't kind of pull them. We're very fifth pan now. Now they were very. Turnovers, how'd you joy? Kirk cousins, given a nother game in the final minute only he wasn't your quarterback. Somebody else familiar such a familiar feeling l. my God I've seen this. Yeah. So. We're, we're coming back. We're going to, oh, Kirk, fumble, any any really titillated. He had a great pass. Yeah. Earlier in that drive, I can't remember. It was like, yeah, perfect. Perfect. Like twelve yard, low ball strike where nobody else could get to it. And then the key Kirk sound our text today as usual commiserating over stupid. We are and both of us love the Rams. Both of us thought the Rams were the best team in football. The Rams every week have covered other. They barely covered last night. They are killing everybody, and I don't think we've met them every week and I really have a ladder regrets. I've had them in teasers and parlays. We just bet him straight up. You went foreign. Now we are now uncle Tony was just on before you were talking about how it's now touch football in the Rams. Have the perfect touch football team in. I'm just gonna. Keep betting them until I see. Otherwise, that's that's my expert advice. I mean, it seems like the right thing to do their the the best team in the league according to all power, rankings, and all the metrics and everything else, and they're just loaded. The thing that that that we've we've touched on before these, this is always for entertainment purposes, but Sean McVay is not a dummy now and not only is not a dummy, but he has made Jared Goff Looksmart. Yeah. Questions about Jared Goff into the when he came into the league. Now, kind of looks in this mic base system where McVeigh's setting him up to succeed and and giving him pretty straightforward decisions to make kind of like it. So I thought usually week three is when things come together for me, but for whatever I think these new rules and oh injuries and a whole bunch of stuff through the league off. And now we for I really feel I, I looked at this late and just some stuff really, really jumped out at me. I've seen enough of everybody at this point and had some thoughts like I don't think the Vikings. Defenses get. I went into last night thinking the Rams really had a chance to put up some points. I think there's some misnomers that we have heading into the season when we just don't realize that teams of change. Now, part of Minnesota's problem is their best defensive player, lost his mind last weekend and did a bunch of crazy shit. And for whatever reason that wasn't even really a huge story Everson Griffen. I mean, he eat, he really liked lost his mind. It you would think like if that happened to pick any NBA all star, this would have been the biggest story in the NBA for three weeks straight in the NFL. Oh, another guy went crazy. It's kinda depressing. But with that said, you know, we've learned over the first month that Minnesota's defense is not good. It is not the same as last year that NFC north is wide open. I don't think the Packers are good either and you look at the Packers. I three games Rodgers plan on one leg. Their defense is not good. I, it seems it's wide. My dad's skins couched them. Yeah, it seems like it's wide open for the bears who are only favored by three at home against fits magic. And yet I can't pull the trigger because of one Mitchell. Trubisky a ages makes me too nervous. I cannot put money on that. Dude. I do it if I'm getting a lot of points. I can't do it as a favourite. I watched a lot of that bears Arizona game on Sunday with nephew, Kyle. And he just provokes laughter with some of the throws. He is in the rare category of QB where that he makes a couple of plays a game. The room just is laughing like, oh my God, what the hell just happen. So I can't do it. How say the minus three is so enticing? I love their defense. I think Tampa. It's totally reasonable. They could be too into, but I'm staying away from that one. That's the right instinct. Right. Oh, my God, yes. Okay. I part of the thing in our NFL winds pool is sitting there. In in in selecting the teams over the course of the season, we need the most wins. One of the things I I will confess though I thought about is I'm sitting on a Sunday afternoon and watching ex team and ex team is down by one score, and I need that quarterback to lead them to either tied the game or or take the lead. Can I live with myself if I, if I take this team and have to watch that quarterback attempt to do it. And I, I will say, I, I deliver tely stayed away from the bears on just that principle. The bears were available to me where I selected. I think it was the dead skins. Yeah, and I just chose Alex Smith over. That simple thinking. All right. So let's go to this week's pay. I have a few and I had a couple that I've got to. I'm excited. I'll do a couple of extra for you. I had there were two lines that I just was confused by now. Normally that would be a red flag normally go, that's fishy. I'm staying away. I actually think it's just because it's week four and I don't think team. I don't think Vegas totally realizes who's good and his not good yet. The first one is Cincinnati's at Atlanta. Atlanta is just not the same on defense and especially with the Jones out, I just I think defensively they're below average. At this point little bit of a pass verse that they, they get, they get a little something at home from the crowd. But for the most part, not a great defense offense. They've been fine, classic Atlanta. They're moving the ball, but they then they're in the red zone. Sometimes they'd screw up and it's the same thing they were last year. I do like this Bengals team. They shot themselves in the foot last week. I think they have talent on both sides of the ball. I like that they can come from behind. I like them getting points on the road because even if they're down ten, you know, with two minutes left, I still feel like they can go down and make a play and whatever they have mixed. And back this week, that was my big mistake last week against Carolina forgot makes it was playing when I picked Cynthia on this podcast, mixing his back. I think he makes a difference and and they're getting three and a half in Atlanta. I think this land should be tuna half. So getting a free point, I think they can win. I think they can win the game outright. And how about this house? You know, you loved them, gambling stats, Andy, Dalton, thirty seventeen into Cincinnati with Andy, Dalton as an underdog. So there you go against the spread, not against it, wins the the big regret with this Cincinnati line is not jumping. The sharps all did. Yeah. When it opened at five and a half, they steam the thing down to two to the three and a half, three and a half to the the falcons have demonstrated. They can't stop anybody under any circumstances, and they lost Ricardo Allen this week as well. So no Dion Joan Nokia new Neil. No Ricardo Allen, and there was a pretty interesting stat I saw about teams running backs, having receptions, this is crazy. The last two weeks running backs on on the on the opponents of the falcons have have caught fourteen and fifteen receptions that yes, a number. That's the number. That's that's the engines in the middle there. Yeah. The only team we're stopping running backs catch the by the backfield is my own Newnham patriots. So yeah. So I like I like cincy plus three and a half, and I wish the money line was more. Enticing? 'cause I think they have a chance to win there. There was another game lions at Cowboys. The lines are plus one thirty in that one. I stared at that one for a while because actually think I just think Dow stinks maze. Robert Mays on the ring. This this week did a great job of just annihilate in their their offense in how primitive it is and how much it makes no sense in two thousand eighteen like nobody's ever in motion. It's just like very missionary position offense. And I do think that lions team, you know, they was seventeen seventeen week one on Monday night and then the jet, some dumb stuff happen. They get killed the next week they almost win. They don't. Then they, they really handily beat the pats. That line seems off to me. I DAL os's minus three, which basically means Vegas feels like they're the same. So lands plus three looks enticing. I'm gonna stay away. I still don't trust Matt, Patricia. That's the only reason. Okay, you stay away. You jumping picks? Okay. Diving in. Okay. I and and we, my mush status has been well established. So apologies in advance to the good people of Detroit. But I can't. The idea of Dallas being favored in this game is is preposterous to me. The Cowboys are averaging thirteen point, seven points a game. Sean Lee is out and the Dallas defense. There's a, there's a nice body of of data available. Now about what happens to the Dallas defense under the stewardship of Rodman Ellie. When Sean Lee is out, the TAOs defense is damn near six points worse. When the heart and soul their defense, Sean Lee is out and I love this, Doug it I ran across the since this is a part of this to the cause. Since Jason Garrett has become the full time head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. They're the only team in the National Football League to be out scored on average at home row. They give out. Up nearly twenty four points to road teams per game and douse their own selves average about twenty one and a half at home owner. This Jason Garrett era. The Cowboys have no home field advantage. So I'm not giving up any points to the lions. I love allies plus three a love, the lions money line. I love it when Dallas sucks. Fuck you convinced me. All right. I'm in with. Cowboys. I wish the money line was more enticing. I wish it was like plus one plus one thirty, right? I'm gonna grab the three because even if they're downtown in the fourth quarter Stafford will get me a garbage time touchdown. I like their receivers. I the pats hard time covering their receivers last week. I, I thought the rookie running back Johnson was was was pretty shifty, so so yeah, I, this might be one of those lines I'm in. I'm Joe. I'm join you on that one. Hey, let's take one quick, tiny little break. Just to remind people, Halloween. Unmasked are eight episode podcast series about the movie Halloween and how it launched forty years of various horror movies, John resin eras and everything hosted by Nicholson. It premiers October. I guess what I'm telling you that because Tober I is really soon that's Monday. So yeah, if you haven't subscribe subscribe now, if you love Michael, Myers, if you love horror movies, do you like narrative podcasts? This is the first big one that we've done on the ringer and we are very excited about it. It's fantastic. Check it out, subscribe right now. All right house. My next one this line is is actually suspicious to me it it. I'm just confused by the colts our home. They're favored by one and a half against Houston. Houston has looked like a hot garbage for three straight weeks. Doesn't look like they can black. Their secondary has been way worse than I think anybody expected. I'm not sold on their scope position guys at all, other than Hopkins. Your computer is insulting them either as we just heard, we're noises it's talking to us and I think the colts are pretty good. I actually really, I've watched a lot of them these three weeks. I thought they absolutely could have won that Philly game in week three and they had filiing position. It was like thirty eight or thirty nine. And all they had to get a stop. They would have gotten the ball back and with really a chance to win. I feel like luck could have gone down the field and scored on them and Wentz just made a great play and it's anybody who thinks Wentz versus foles that does make a difference like that was the biggest way that game. I think the colts are pretty good. They're not. They're not gonna win the Super Bowl, they can move the ball. They're a little frisky. They're really well coached. I think Frank rig is in the running for best new coach of the year, and I like them at home, and I think they have a chance to potentially win this division of Jacksonville, you know, is going to continue to do these. These scoring six points at home, that kind of bullshit, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, all them are pretty frisky. So I liked the colts. I don't understand why this line is in three. I feel like I'm getting a point and a half for free against a crap Texans team. And here's the other part, Joe house. This has. All the makings of the Bill O'Brien gets fired. If they lose this game, kind of stink to it, and I could see that happening in and if there was a way to parlay Bill O'Brien getting fired with colts minus one and a half, I would do it. That's my case. This game feels like a stay away to me. There are competing trends at work here. Yeah, Andrew luck has a wonderful record both straight up and against the spread in this spot where he's going up against divisional opponents coming off of a loss. He's he's been really terrific in his career. I won't go through all the stats on the other side. The Owen three Texans, you know there is this a basic regression kind of idea t- winless teams coming into week four have have a pretty sizable advantage against the spread play a division rival the number. I'm seeing here fifteen six and one against the spread NAS, just a generic trend. Number of what teams do. Winless teams do the thing that I also would be just worried about hit the pause button as it relates to Indy is they're, they're, they have their third string right tackles playing. Right now? Yeah, that's the dude this going up against JJ watt. Just be worried about JJ coming out and then doing vintage game. 'cause Houston knows that that Owen threes bad enough, especially in the losing another divisional game. Oh, and four the season's over. So I just feel like a stay away to me. I, I hear all the cases for that accents. I think he's Sten season is already over and I'm picking gets them and I liked this called steam. I, you know, if so, let's say the colts get that stop on thirty nine last week and luck goes down and wins the game. What's this line? It's at least three and a half for sure. So I agree with you. I don't know. I just think the lines to, I think the culture pretty good too. By the way there's a, they're e why he's through the power poles. When I used to Ray for he's been grail in east, had the frisky category in the colts are definitely in the frisky category and they, I would have them in the somewhere between twelve and sixteen. I'm not sure where, but you know, it's nice to see luck back. There's there's not flattering stats about him in the long ball and that they're to Dinka note. But I also think they have good coaching and it's fine which your second pick. I am gonna take advantage. We've talked a little bit on these picks over the the season looking for first year coaches, and I your quarterback. This is a first year quarterback stat. This is a pure angle. I also love the fact that the raiders are entering this. I have a winless team at at home, the raiders minus two and a half at home against Cleveland. Now Cleveland has established its own frisky status. God bless the good people of Cleveland. The Bud Light refrigerators were open, the chains fell, and everybody could get dilly dilly to their hearts content last Thursday night. Unfortunately, I think there's going to be a a slight return to reality. The odds are the, the statistics are not very friendly at all to quarterbacks making their debut on the road starting quarterbacks. Yeah, making their debut on the road. There have been in the past thirty years. Eight instances. Of the number one overall pick being a quarterback, like our boy b. m. Baker Mayfield. Like that that they for being. Take a b. m. on Sunday. Well, he, he might flip that scrip. I mean, this is the thing he could take the BMI and turn a positive. I just don't think he's gonna. On the road, these these kinds of quarterbacks in this situation making the first career start on the road. Oh, an eight over the last thirty years straight up at against the spread losing by an average of eighteen points. I just think it's a tough spot. It's too much to ask, especially Oakland has been about one play away. Yeah, each of its games, they really haven't gone out and just got their ass handed to them by. They had a chance to win all three. And I think you could say the raiders and the jets of the two teams that could be three. You know, with a couple of breaks. So I, I love. I just feels like value raiders by anything less than a than a fuel. Go feel against Cleveland. I'm not ready to to crown Cleveland's ass yet. Did you read the thing about. Somebody asked Hugh Jackson, they stole the Phillies special from Philly, and he gave this long answer about, that's bullshit. I've had that in my playbook for years, and then they went to daily and they asked him and Tatas like, oh yeah, I shamelessly tick. Shamelessly still the voice special c. that you just have it as Astor of a coaching staff. Away in Hughes defense, he might have thought they were talking Chiesa. He might actually been thought they were talking that delicious pork. The roasted, it's unclear if he knew there talking about football food. I feel like raters Browns. I see all your cases. I just think it's a stay away because the raiders have shown the ability to snatch defeat outta victory week after week. I also don't. Browns Bank just be good. So I wanna see this. I'm going to this game is on my radar gonna watch it. And I think we'll learn a lot about both teams, but I will say this if the Browns are playoff team and if the Browns are team that could potentially win the AFC north, they have to win this game. There's a roadmap for them to go ten, six, make the playoffs. You can't give away again to the crappy raiders in Oakland. So you're right about that. I have two picks. And I, I'm debating whether to parlay these together. But I don't think I'm going to, and for some reason, I something's holding me back. I'm one of the pick so I might just take one of them. I talk it out and you tell me if you like the case, all right jets plus seven and a half. The case against it is Sam darnold on the road young guy prone to make some mistakes going against a really good defense. The case for it is Jacksonville's offense. When they're going against a defense that has any semblance of life which discounts the patriots when we to when they're going, it's a good defense that can contain Bortles and can contain his scrambling and make it so that the Jags have to move down the field and can't save thirty nine's because Bortles is much faster than any patriot linebacker that you can slow them down and turn it into a twelve to nine fifteen to twelve seventeen fourteen type game. I think the jets could win this game. I also think darnold could throw four picks and Daiki get their asses kicked. So my instinct is to bet on them at plus two ninety and maybe even tease them with the chargers who are home against the San Francisco. Forty Niners minus four seventy five TS the minus four seventy five with the plus to ninety get that to about plus three eighty or whatever it is and put a little half unit on it or little third of your you. You're talking about parlay, not tease, right? I'm sorry. Parlay Nazis. Yeah, little money parlays thought, you know how dumb I am. I have to keep it simple jets plus to ninety chargers minus four seventy five. Get that to about plus three eighty. Put about a one third of a unit on that. What do you think of that point? I, I like it. I do think the the jets defense has been pre underrated. The season that by advanced metrics, they the unfulfilled outsiders. They were second and the festively Devia way through three weeks, which is three weeks is enough of a sample size to at least know something. So I, I don't know. I was impressed by that. Yeah. Well, that's that was the point I was gonna make the the same idea. The events metrics are recognizing the the quality they have. Great. Cornerback Morris, clayborn. Tremaine Johnson? Yeah, better equal to I would say Jacksonville zone dynamic combo, but I it. It feels like to many points. So I like the added risk. You're getting properly compensated. I think for the money line play. Betting the spread then then it's like I have a fifty fifty chance that darnold just self combust and I'm not getting value for it. So at least doing the money line, if he comes through, I think they can win the game. I like doing the three and a half plus three seventy five, whatever it is. I think those are. That's a better play. My only concern though is if you if the part the other half of that pilot you, you said San Francisco right now that the chargers home. Oh, the chart. I'm sorry. CJ bad third, which will be hearing about them again a second. So the other one. So I'm gonna do that put one third of a unit on that just a little flyer. The other one. CAD. This hurts house. I dunno, I dunno, and by the way I'm not point dirt on the patriots season. I'm really not because I feel like when Ataman comes back and when Josh Gordon comes back. If he comes back counting on Josh, Gordon is pretty good sign for how bleak this patriot seasons become. I heard him. I come back this week. Sure. Great. I'll believe it when he's in the uniform warming up now for the game. They I. I was realizes last night with the Rams I talked about this corner as earlier he looked at the Rams they have the perfect team for touch football, two thousand eighteen. They have the perfect running back who can run and catch. They have deep threat. They have perfect possession. Receiver in woods is the perfect third receiver superfluous team. You would create guys like that. If you're just creating a maddened team from scratch, the patriots have the opposite. They Sony, Michelle. I don't know if how long it's going to take for him to shake off the rest from that having training camp or or he might be bad, who knows? But he's certainly not Dion Lewis and then they don't have the Ataman dog. I, at least for this week they don't have the deep threat anymore. They, you know, they traded cooks away. Gronk is not rock anymore. Nobody wants to admit it, but I'm, I'm just telling you, I've been love gronk. I ride with grotto. I die. He's at the tail end of his prime. Any might even be passed as prime. He's not physically. The same anymore. This is not a dangerous offense. And the irony of it is you have these touch football rules which fundamentally Brady should be thriving right now. He should be amazing. They put up ten points in Detroit last week, the Rams Jared Goff had forty five fantasy points last night. I so I'm not counting at this pats team for November December. I still think there's room for them offensively to be awesome. I'm just looking at them right now, and I think they're in a lot of trouble on offense. All right, fine. You got that. The defense is this is the worst defense they've ever had. The defense is an absolute fucking abomination. It's really bad. I think fast that they've given up sixteen runs of ten plus yards are ready, nine hundred unless ice broadcast that's unbelievable. The league all the due to have been wide open, not to mention the zero pass rush. Not to mention. They had the slowest linebackers not only in the league, but like the slows linebackers. I think I've ever seen in my life. They can't contain any quarterback who scrambles they can't any running back is going to catch the ball out of the out of the backfield. At this point they have no chance so naive Miami coming into Foxborough. And this just feels like an awful matchup for us because you have Miami who just deliberately built this team that just has a bunch of fast guys. They have incredible speed this year that Wilson who everybody made fun of them when they signed Albert Wilson. It was too much money because fucking fast. I'll tell you this. He's faster than anybody in the patriots Kenyan Drake, fast cane hill can can you know the classic game manager, but he can on a third and eight can scramble around and make plays. And I just think this is a terrible matchup for them at this point of the patriots is in play them eight weeks from now. Everybody's healthy atamans back. Great. But right now, this is bad and Brady does not have this carry. Blanket adamant come back next week. It'll be much better. The team will start to fall into place Sony, Michelle start shaking off the rest. I'm not county at this patriots team yet. I just feel like rock bottom hasn't happened yet, and it feels like it's going to happen this week. Dolphins seven is an amazing vitamin. I think this land should be plus three or minus three. I think the patch would be three point favorites in the scam. So there you go. While the sharps agree with you. This is at the very top of a lot of these publications that I've seen in terms of value opportunities there is because of the body of evidence that Tom Brady led. Patriots teams have amassed over the last fifteen years. Most of the trends you look at when the patriots lose two in a row council in favor of the patriot yet on only covering the next game, but but like winning big. But there is contra evidence with with this particular interational of the patriots and though the point differential that they're experiencing and what you mentioned about the run. And if you look at the injury list, it's all defensive player. It's terrible. Oh, a hard time. So I mean. Bentley, the middle linebacker who was probably the slowest middle linebacker ever seen in my life, but was still like starting. And now he's on the I r I was listening to GM street this week on the Bardi was saying how Donte hightower's so slow that he would just play him on the defensive line. That's another one of our linebackers Kyle van noy who got way by the traitor, giving away or whatever the hell happened, who you'll know him because he's always trailing, the much faster running back on a screen pass who's going for eleven yards. He's there. It's just really just athle- and from talent standpoint, it's really not great in the and they, I again, not counting at this Pat steam, but this will be one of the all-time great pull out of the ass seasons. If Brady in bowel check can figure this out because on both sides of the ball, there's not a lot of town anymore. And I watch team like the Rams and I'm like, holy, fuck. They have like four times this style it is. We do. It's. Arrogance. This is the moment where the Bella chick arrogance like why was Brandin cooks, expendable eight, you know is one of those things when they made their trade. It's like really smart. We don't have to pay him. We'll get a first round pack and then you watch him just running around on the reds and they're like, he's only twenty five years old and it's touch football noun. It's like we gave away this twenty five year old deep threat. So I've I've done a one eighty and that trade, but but look it, everything ends badly, you know. And I think we've seen with football, especially there's a team every year that nobody wants to admit that they just suck and they, they just don't have it anymore. We saw with Seattle, Seattle be fine. They're gonna rally, and then they just ever rally because it's football. And when you get older, you get old and I am very worried that the pats are that team this week, but I'll just tell you this week, bad matchup. I don't like it. I think that this is perfect match up for the Dauphin. So I have. Miami's historically had knowingly number anyway. So it's not even a stretch. The six and a half just feels like too much. I'm right there with you. Well, it seven on some site. So I'm taking the seven, but we'll case scenario if you had the dolphins and their down fourteen late, nobody loves give me up garbage time. Touchdowns like bell. Jack, I just can't get over how confuse the Pat seemed on offense last week and the only way they're going to be able to beat these teams to score thirty five forty, whatever my last pick. This is the money line pick. It's minus one. Oh, eight saints minus one seventy against the giants chargers minus four seventy five home against the Niners actually like that chargers team. I think they've had they unfortunately for them winning. It's the chiefs in week one and the Rams in week three and it's the perfect time. They threw them off the scent through people at the sent a little bit. I think this line should be thirteen that the Niners were terrible anyway, and then they. Jimmy g. but you could argue their scope position guys in their key, the combo of all those guys. It's probably the number thirty two out of thirty two teams defensively. They're not getting there. And this is starting to look like a throwaway your for them, saints giants. Here's the rationale, the saints score, a lot of points there. They're another team. That's just perfect for where we've come to football in two thousand eighteen. It's like an accident if they don't score thirty points. The only thing that scares me is there outdoors and that's been in issue over the years for breeze. But this giants team, I I think I saw the haven't scored thirty points or thirty plus points in like three or four years. She see, that's that. No, I didn't see it, but I'm not that surprised. It's just like it feels right, doesn't it? Yeah, it just all right. So if the saints get the thirty points are the giants get into thirty points? They might have Barclay rips off to seventy. Eight runs like there is a row. Beckham has his two big plays or whatever. But I like if you play this game ten times, I just think the saints can get thirty points every time. And I think the giants could get there too at it ten times. So let me don't. Let me just remind you, don't you dare underestimate how shitty that saints defense is. I'm fine with it. They they love to come out and let team score forty p forty points in a quick minute in a in a in an Atlanta heartbeat, and then the good people of Norlin. I don't know how they put up with it season after season, how every season at the beginning of the season. It's the same thing feels like on for twenty years that these Payton. And led teams with with defenses that are just absolutely atrocious to begin the the season. I understand the rationale. I like the same set at the giants as well, but I would. I wouldn't Bank on the idea that that the giants can't score thirty. They're ever gonna do it. It's against this garbage saints defense. I, I've heard this case they gave up forty eight to Tampa in week one. I think some of that was just bad scheming and just underestimating how explosive Tampa was. Especially with the new rules we to only gave up eighteen Cleveland. We three gave up thirty seven to Atlanta. Now you could argue Atlanta and Tampa to the top five offenses in the league. Right. Those to the ranch jab chargers. So okay, they're, they're defense might not be quite as bad. Maybe it's bad against elite teams, but when it's ally manning shitty, offensive line, not as bad separate. Label. All right. All right. I don't like I don't like the. I don't like the extra half point. That's why that's why bought the money line. Did. Did. Feels right to me. So there you go. That's we have so house. You're coming to. LA in two weeks, you're going to be part of the ringer. NBA preview pollutes Opie. Yeah, so that's happening. We have some fun stuff in store for that. We have a lot of MBA takes is he's been a lot of texting between us and and the cause on some thoughts that we have on things. Early season futures. We always love the futures in the NBA. Did you see the division? There's a what terrible division is is the wizards in. I think it's called southeast to the southeast. I'm gonna give you the ads. Let's just give people a little taste, the southeast division on queuing it up. And by the way, once we once you get these out and we we talk about what I think we're gonna talk about. I can't encourage people to go do something about it as quickly as possible because everything could change with one Jimmy Butler, right? So you got Washington favored to win this out. These minus one sixty Miami's plus two twenty. Charlotte's nine to one Orlando, twenty one Atlanta still get Miami plus two twenty right now. I mean if they trade for Butler, that's a pretty nice pack, right. Yeah. I mean, I gotta go. I got something to do. I got a text on. I gotta send off anyway. So we're doing MBA saying we're doing MBA over unders. When do you wanna do it a week from Wednesday? Sure. This doing I'm going to be with you. I'm on your dime brother once I'm on the west coast now, but as serve the people. Before? Yeah, we need like a weak little. So people can jump in. So maybe we'll do that weaker early through. I would be next Wednesday, I think. Yeah. Is that next Wednesday. Yeah, we're only two weeks away from being out in LA suck. All right, we'll figure it out. All right. Here's what I have for picks since he plus three and a half colts minus one and a half saints chargers. Parlay money line minus one. Oh eight dolphins plus seven in then a little flyer on the jets. Plus two ninety parlayed with the saints with. I'm sorry with the chargers minus four seventy five, which is about plus three eighty house year two picks where the lions three. Oh, I join you on that. Yeah. And then what was the other one. Oh, and a half greater and then go or Cup goatee team USA listen to house on house of carbs list the house. He doing a special shack house Sunday Sunday night after the hope are not singing any more. I'm hoping come on singing the star spangled banner Sunday evening. I just doesn't feel feel like it's going to happen. Yeah. All right. Thanks. All right, good time. Thanks buddy. All right. Thanks, Don. Tony. Thanks to Joe house. Thanks to ZipRecruiter. Don't forget the check them out at ZipRecruiter dot com. Slash b. s. thanks to Scott Harrison. His new book is called thirst. If all the proceeds go to charity water foundation, charity, water dot org. And if you love the podcast that we did, you will definitely the book. 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The Big Spike Lee Sit-down, Plus NBA Trade Value 2.0 | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 479)

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The Big Spike Lee Sit-down, Plus NBA Trade Value 2.0 | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 479)

"Today's episode of the Bill Simmons podcast on the ring podcast network. Brought to you as always by ZipRecruiter. You know, at smart getting added MBA trade value two point zero list, right before the trade deadline just in case anything happens. That's what's on the ringer dot com. Right now. I wrote a update to my trade value list. Check it out the ring dot com. You know, what else is smart go in ZipRecruiter dot com slash Bs to hire the right people for your business ZipRecruiter's technology identifies people at the right skills for your job. They actively invite them to apply you qualified candidates fast. I don't know Bill bell. Check is using this to find our next offensive coordinator. Kyle who is our next -fensive coordinator. It's just trust him was just trust them. I trust him. And he's one of six rinks right now. My listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash beat S. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. 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And I was glad that I finally got to properly skier. The baseball furious overrated all makeup in bats. And just you have to listen the pot. They get a they had a nice little scaring coming up. Spike Lee was was in the house on Friday. And man, it was really fun. To interview him. We talk for almost an hour and a half, and we're going to run that right after we talked to Joe house briefly just to talk about trade violence two point. Oh and a couple other things and that a lotta Spike Lee, so maybe like twenty twenty five minutes with house and then hidden, Spike, Lee, hard, spike, was great a really enjoyed it. I think you'll enjoy it too. I are France from project. All right on the line right now, the host of fairway Roland golf podcast and the ringer PA podcast our as well as house of cards of appreciation of food where I went last week to talk about she spa, and some has said it was new restaurant which I remember saying, but it's been around for like five years. So about the house quickly the Super Bowl. Did you win money? As a matter of fact, I did I'd like to thank Bill Belichick Tom Brady and Julian element for just doing their job. Yeah. I did my job. I bet heavily on the patriots minds two and a half. Good. I bet heavily on a par. Lay of the patriots, minus two and a half in the under- and also made a little taste on James white under six -ception that all worked out for me. Wow. That sounds like a great day you sound like one of the the only non patriot fans who were happy that the patriots won the super. I've I I've been thinking about it for the last two days and reading really allot because I still don't understand what the hell the Rams are doing in that game. And then there's been some great articles. There's a great Twitter thread by Warren sharp about this read a couple of different pieces. Just how kinda dumb the Rams were. And it got me thinking like this. This is one of the legacies of the bell. Check Brady legacy is. Is just doing your job and put yourself in the position for the other team to not do their job. And that's what the Rams that. The Rams did not do their job. They think oh no huddle they stayed in that eleven formation the whole time. They didn't really they didn't really try to figure out what the pats were doing and shift things around and they just got kinda worked. I think they should be embarrassed. Even with all of that. They were still two plays away from not only making a game of potentially winning defense played well enough for them to win the football game. They were standing all of those strategic failures the thing that I took great Solomon. And the reason that anybody who asked me, what do you like here? I love the thing. I like more than anything else was the under in this game. Because I just believed the we were going to get the Jared Goff that we really antiquated. I admire what the Rams did against the saints notwithstanding. The questionable outcome of that game. But I admire that they game plan and successfully reigned in the saints, and and you know, Goff got to feel comfortable as dome there as it went along. He never get him comfortable in this game. It's exactly the I mentioned this on the Sunday podcast. Just because it was something. I noticed watching the game. They had they the pats got their one TD drive with their big lineup which started the game when they couldn't really run the ball, and they had Devlin and the I formation all that stuff. And then on the big TD drive. They use that same formation, but they split everybody out. And they went five receivers with it. But they had like devil and birkhead and gronk split widers receivers. But they're doing it because of the Rams defense that they're playing they just felt like they would have speed advantages, which is what led to Ataman got open gronk had the two big catches burqa got open and was crazy about as. Mcdaniel said they had never practiced it, and they just kind of drew it up in the fourth quarter because they thought it was a way that they could work. And really the only way you could do that. As if your players are freaking smart, and that's incredible. I hadn't heard that store. Yeah. So they have these players they find these these cast-offs and whoever's and or or people are good, not great. But the the one thing they have is the ability to kind of think on the fly and the guys that have never worked for them row is the guys who the talented athletes who can't think that way. So they had that in the biggest drive of the year. They have for James Devlin out like he's Chatto chose Cinco Malev side of the field as receiver and the Rams are like what's going on and it and enable them to get crock opened twice, but just a we a classic out thinking the opposition thing. So I to me that's going to be the legacy of of this whole era other than how. Great Brady was and some of the players, but just like over and over again figuring out these little challenges during the game, America's an appreciated their tired of the patriots fun and to be fair were barely year removed from them. Not not having that kind of successive civility. Couldn't you. Couldn't figure it out. They couldn't figure out how to learn by the way, many of those defensive backs in that game. We're not on this year's team. I just wanna put out no trade value list. So I did a two point oh list. I had promised that. I was gonna write big things about all the fifty five guys. But then had to speed it up because it seemed like Anthony Davis was gonna get traded. Now who knows it? It would. I'm hearing is that New Orleans might just say FU and just keep them until the summer. And if he doesn't wanna play whatever. But I I don't think they're gonna just be spiteful that would be to spite him deal love that Lakers offer who what I did this and the trade value like Ingram was the highest guy in that trade off for that day allegedly offered as Ingram. Lonzo ball coups, MMA, some expiring and a couple of first round picks. Do you love any of those guys or any of those guys guaranteed all star? I don't know. I mean, incomes a guaranteed all star. Sure. Is he is? He though is he really he really you you'd bait. Your life is going gonna make it all start to. Yes. I I would bet my life on my God. You're gonna die house has you're gonna die. You. Did. You see what I ate at the Super Bowl? I am going to die. It's true. Way to boxes of Popeye's. I think the south rice red beans and rice, go ahead. The Celtics are obviously hoping Lakers Saint doesn't happen. There's been some conjecture and the Davis side about he doesn't wanna go there. He did this goofy list of teams conjecture his dad said it I loved by the way this era where we use the dads to say things, this is a great era. Well, can you imagine if you were in some major professional situation of your life in your dad dekalb's weighed in publicly to the media about it how badly debate the cath has view on this house? Will you will you will you please come eat at this? All you can eat Brazilian steakhouse and eat till you pass out dick house. Word from decals. I don't want my son to go there. I do not want my son to go there, dick. I really don't think they cast insert himself in the situation would be my guess has his dad really is damn dick house, by the way for the people. So anyway, I dropped Davis two spots at the trade value in the top four is now Jaanus Steph curry second. I've James harden vaulted from eleven three during this insane. One third of the year run his having where he's averaging forty two eight eight and then Davis had four and LeBron James at five. Those are the completely and utterly untouchable. Top-five any disagreements with the top five house. No nos. We sit here today. The there's no quibble that can be head. So the one quibble is whether Lucas should be in there or not. No. That's not a quibble. He sure that's a that's a take a that's some some take stuff. You sure at them when thirty five games. Let them win thirty eight thirty nine games a season. With that cast of characters around him. And and you know, let's let the season end before we go out and coronate his ass. Okay. So the next three were dockage the joker. Joel embiid. Six seven eight any of those guys have a case to be in the untouchable top five. You know, the only one that jumps out at me is Embiid. That's mean. If he's if he can stay listen here. Mocking so loudly. Do you hear me I hear you? Dear Lord, please. Let him stay healthy. I can't tell you how much I enjoy watching him play his inside out game. Is so perfect for this basketball moment that we are in right now. And I really like terrific competitive attitude. Yeah. Me too. I really liked the game. He played on Thursday where he didn't play. Well, but he's still really affected the game in Golden State, and then beating Golden State he was like eight for twenty four, but he got to the free throw line. He protected the rim. He grabbed twenty rebounds. He played really really hard. And and he was like, you know, he's challenging shots. And I just thought he was a monster in that game. And he didn't even play. Well, any ad boogie cousins and loonie getting thrown at him. I have a maith on this list. And it's purely a healthy. That's it. If if if we didn't have what happened in the first three seasons happen. I think he would be like third, you know. But I'm with you. I agree. He's up there. He's up there. He's up there. So then it's Durant coli soon to be free agents next group, Paul George all the way up to eleven. For trade by he jumped from twenty seven to eleven after of really really top show fifty game run that he said where he's clearly the best part. Okay. See now, I even the o'casey fans would emit and has an outside case for I imam bay. I think he's third VP right now. That's where I would have them Timur Kawai and he's just played every game. And. And and he's under a really nice contract says thirty million year thirty three thirty five thirty thirty eight gets a little dicey in your four. But at least, you know, he's under contract, you know. You know? I just admire it because of the example of person who's experienced a devastating injury. And come all the way back all the way back in reasserted, his his prominence. He he really has reclaimed that top ten in the league status and stature that he possessed before the injury agree. So then the next group by had the hardest trouble at this groupie. I don't know if he's a franchise guy. But he's our franchise guy was the group in order starting with a thirteen a damn FOX, Ben Simmons, both under rookie contracts. Karl Anthony towns who is under a giant contract. Donovan Mitchell rookie contract. Devon booker. Jason Tatum Tatum is under a rookie contract. So here's the case for FOX because the typically. You know, just FOX versus Simmons just innov- Accu m- Simmons's, probably more talented. But here's the case for FOX. And part part of the goal of doing trade value is trying to fill out what the trade value is for the team. That has the guy how unlikely they are even considered trading him would FOX done for them. What he's done for the fact that he likes to be in Sacramento. You've guy who actually likes to be liked being a Sacramento king. Who's already leader who plays with a real competitive spirit night after night after night is easily at top three or four most-fun-to play with guy in the league. And you know, he's going to resign there. He's twenty one years old the he plays. So freaking hard every game. I really do think it's affected the other guys in the team in in a positive way. Where buddy healed Bagley people at that. Like, they're they're getting the best out of those guys, partly because it would FOX is doing night after night if. Tonight, the way he handles the media all that stuff to me. That's like a true franchise guy compared to some of the other versions of it worried scene where it's like, oh, I'm not that happy right now. I might who knows. I might go somewhere else or somebody like who has blamed the young guys five different times. Then won't even talk about his fridge status anymore. Dear vox, I wanna be here. We're going to win. We're coming night after night. And I think that stuff matters was your take on that. You loved Aaron FOX. I do. A little dialogue about him on the first day. We drunk drunk has. Well, I'm sure that drunk house got it. Right. I think it's fine with including him in this category of player because of where he is, you know, on the rookie contract and everything I still I don't know. Where was he last season? What was going on last season that he needed a full year as a rookie to acclimate year old point guard a bad team? Yeah. I Meyer what he's doing all of the things that you listed off. I believe are admirable. I just don't think that he's ahead of Devon Booker at the stage of you know of the game. And he's got an easy head. He's making five point five million this year in Devon Booker making. Three this year, but then twenty seven year from now, and he's got this hundred forty million dollar contract coming so it's really as an asset. I think I'd rather FOX on a rookie contract. Maybe. So I just you know, the jury's still out from me. I'm not ready. He's another one that. I'm not ready to coronate. I do admire what he's done this year, and the the prices, obviously, right? It's the right situation for him. Congratulations to Sacramento for looking into a a young foundation. Finally, it's a really teen years. Now. It's a really fun to watch. I hope sack town royalty rights. Shitty post about you. They eat a house. I has doesn't believe in Darren FOX give me that as a headlines fine. He's fine. He's fine. Says Joe house Joyal? I'm moran. But I know he's a little polarizing I was texting with somebody about it. Simmons a drop the nefore teen. Partly because. I don't know how long he's going to be there. I've seen him be buying this. I I don't know. I just stuff you hear keep saying, I don't why he and he and beat their Jimmy Butler is the one by the way that was my favorite line in this whole column. Desktop Jimmy Butler out of the entire trade value column. He's out of the column because he's a dick a dick I chuckled. I enjoyed it. I don't like Dicks. I thought Simmons in the in that words game Simmons and Embiid together was really really fun to watch. 'cause they those guys were Houghton ball, and like there's so athletic and Simmons who still just can't shoot. But he's he's like crashing the boards now. And he's really he's figuring out when Embiid when they go to beat on the post or whatever had a kind of lurk around on the baseline the way Rondo used to and then come flying in for the offensive rebound when the shot's going up. He's eight the frustrating thing for me is. I just wanna see him do the magic Showtime thing. I've fast breaks in the league doesn't really do that anymore. Almost would've rather seen. Ben Simmons thirty five years ago when we did have threes. I wish Ben Simmons at a time machine at half. Eighty four. We need to see him. He needs to start at this point of the season. Trying one face up jumper from sixteen feet or beyond just one. Just try one game to show us that that you care that you're tries. That's not. Important part of your game. That's like me telling you, I just want to salads from house a week just to salads. That's that's not who you are house. I can have a salad, but I'm willing to change. I mean, you know, we're we're we're in our we're we're we're in a bump year this year. We're not you and I are in a contract year. Big things are happening for us. Yeah. So I might try, Sal, it Karl Anthony towns and Mitchell, I've been happy with that they've been playing Mitchell, especially 'cause Mitchell I was ready to drop out of the top twenty five, but he's been on a nice little run the last five six weeks or so and whatever happened him, and I I don't know twenty games of the year. Whatever it seems like he's snapped out of it. Interesting. I think two things required on him. He believed he read too much of his own press over the summer. He enjoyed himself too much the summer. Yeah. And Utah played I think the hardest schedule league the first part of the season. If not the hardest one of the top five, and they didn't do great with it. And he didn't do great with it. They're in a much more favorable zone right now, schedule wise, and this is, you know, the D Mitch that we wanna see so just through the rest of Lewis a little bit old depot had to drop to twenty three because he got hurt. No apologies. Victor. But you heard Marvin Bagley made a nice little jump up. To twenty four. I don't know if you've been watching the bagman lately, but first of all really kind of gift it offensively already. I mean, we we knew he was talented. But. Is is doing some stuff on on isos low post stuff that I thought he was maybe a year away from potentially the other thing. I like he's always around the rim. Offensively shots are up. And he's just kind of his hands are kinda just around the rim like he's trying to get tip ins, and he's just active. He is he's very very likable. I've enjoyed them. I don't know. How you you? I know you hate the king. So you're tough gotta ask. But none have their see. Now, you're now you're trying to to the so the seeds them dirty seeds. I love this is the very best case scenario for him. And I love the to hand he's got really soft hands both hands around the rim that point you just made and he's on a super streak somebody sent us a or something one of your guys wrote it about like very quietly, he strung together ten or twelve games of double digit points double digit rebounds around there in, you know, up the stats, sheet, steals blocks. This is the guy that they drafted. And who they thought they were they were getting the only thing that that is tough for them is there's a there's a franchise print transcendent player. That was available to them that they didn't take. But if you take that out of the mix, they're getting great value for that pick Bagley looks like he's gonna be a damn good player in a cornerstone player along with your boy defaults, and buddy who's been awesome the share, but he shot like fifty percent from three less with fifty two percent. He's been out of his mind. I I'm so happy. They fucked up. They'll never admit it. They come in for you now. No, no, listen. They fucked up dating realize Luca was as good as he was and Luca has a chance to be generational player. And you can never pass that up in a draft ever. So they fucked up, but this could have been so much worse. They could've taken mogambo third. Obama just got hurt again today done. Jack shared all years got. Now, he's got a stress fracture. But can you imagine? Nah. I mean the old school. King's move would have been. Not taking Luca and then having mogambo and his stress fractures rookie year. That would have been the classic path for the king's Bagley. A really good consolation prize for missing added generation put I Amal in. I really like him. I don't think he'll ever goes Luca because without saying, but you know, who this is weird only, yo you're gonna understand this. But he's the kinda guy we used to love playing with when we pick up all the time. Absolutely. You know what? I mean. He's I would I would love to have played pick up with Bagley because as you said soft hands he's around the rim. He's going to tip in my MRs. He's always writing football. We can we can throw the ball and cut and do stuff. I think he'd be fun to play with. Yeah, he plays. Like he he went to Duke for four years. He plays. Like, he has all the fundamentals of his game is a unique kind of trait for a guy came out coming out after one year chat a little reminiscent of Chris me from the Holy Cross days Christie had both hands very soft shadow lefty yet little Christmas. Nobody knows what we're talking about. So just jumping around low bit. I'd knocked eight and back from twenty four to thirty two. I am not giving up on him. I don't even. I'm not even a raise any red flags. I'm just I'm still not totally sure what he is in where in where he fits into whatever the league is now. Well, the fee Phoenix has some some identity. Yeah. Defining yet the go like they they don't know their GM has been there for for two and a half months. I mean, they got their own ship to figure out. I know a Bagley as Noah Jaren Jackson is. And I think I would rather have those guys than Aiden, but I also wouldn't rule out a world in which some team figures out exactly how to use him correctly. And. It becomes it becomes. But I just think I'm Jaren Jackson Bagley. There's no other not making it then ripping through couple more guys. Couple of newcomers. John Collins on the hawks. He's he's I mean, can we talk about the hawks for a minute hawks. I were done. They have eighteen wins. Ready? We thought they're going to have eighteen wins all year. And it's because John Collins. Are we sure it's not the winging podcast, the podcast bump, the podfather. Brings brings bays and V C old Ben Ami, it only might add something with it. I watched the hawks last night. They dismembered now. I mean, I gotta try really hard. Not to use a whole bunch of foul language talking about my Washington. Professional franchise now. Yeah, it's a sad day. But did they? And it's not a surprise that Washington. Tried to beat them by outscoring them, and it didn't work out because the roster right now is Bradley Beal. Yeah. Eleven bench guys. It's the best bench team in the NBA is just that all of them have to play yet. Well, the hawks are pretty hawks were good. Yeah. Hurt her. Nineteenth put him in this NBA. I must put an honorable mention. I really did. I actually thought about it. He's a ringer staff favorite. And then Collins has been good trae young is still all over the place. But at least he's not. Yeah. At least he can like run the run the offense. And they have some other guys I like to Taurean prince how good, and I don't know. They're playing hard. I'm shocked. I all indications said they were gonna try to go like twelve and seventy but the reality is like collinses like a twenty to ten every night. Now, you know too much pride too. That's that's part of the thing that I admire they're just not out there to to run through games and and collect paychecks. They play I'll leave you at this. And then we'll go 'cause I promise you don't be twenty minutes. What's the most fun Zion destination right now, what would be your power rankings? 'cause I think Lanta has to be in that conversation. Oh, wow. I didn't. Think about them. But I I will have them in my in the top five now that you mentioned it 'cause I agree there. There's so much that could be done there. Cleveland cases. I are right. Cleveland's worst case scenario. Oh, that's the worst. If there's a God in heaven Cleveland ends up thinking, it's like all right. Cleveland enough with no generational superstars going to Cleveland. We've had it. We've had we did it exits the team at the Knicks is the team for for John. That's what I want. I want basketball saved in New York. I want Zay on and Kyrie. Smith. I'm just saying this is the team and Jimmy the dick Butler, and you know, couple just want basketball to be relevant again in New York. And I think you know, the basketball guys looking down if they if there was ever a moment to hold their nose reward, James Dolan. This would be it would about Katie Kemba and Zion. That's a pretty good team. That's that. That's pretty good in the east there. They would win a lot of games. I believe the other thing is they actually do have enough to trade Franson Davis in June, potentially. If that is how poise out because let's say they don't get more pick. What said they get like, the fourth pack, and then you give them the fourth pack. Knox the two Dallas pick. Stay got. He's them a mother lode of picks basically Dennis Smith throw him in there. China get David you're at least in the David at Davis table with that trade, especially if k D's coming which I that would be my bet. I'll just interesting. Well, when you do when you do the porzingas trade, you're you're basically saying, you know, you're getting K D or arrest. You're the dumbest franchise that ever walked the earth. If you don't if you don't know for sure you're getting Kate morons this. This is the segway. I was looking for. Yeah. Because we're not going all this whole conversation with me talking about John wall's achilles tendon. Yeah. The Knicks did I believe a very sound risk assessment in evacuation of what porzingas on amac's contract would represent to them. And in view of the two injuries that are experienced in his professional basketball career. Yeah. And I think it was perfectly sound risk assessment. Like, we can't we're going to offer the max to this guy. He will take it. Because every work that's been offered. The max takes it. And then what are we stuck with it? Can't he flourish here? Can we help him? Void injury. Here. What we have around him. I I don't mind that trade one bit. I think. From Washington DC sitting in objectively observing that the way that went down. I thought they did fine in that trait. I thought they got good assets. They clear the decks they're ready for New York to be back on the basketball map. Unlike what's going on here in chocolate city the basketball team? I don't know what to do. What are we supposed to do? John wall tore his achilles tendon in his home. Are they want me to believe that he slipped and fell in his home, Bill Simmons? You're almost fifty years old. I'm almost fifty years old. Let me tell you the last time, I slipped and fell in my home. I can't think of it slips mall in our home is what professional athletes use. When some shady shit has gone down that they had no business being involved in under the influence, not on the influence. I don't know the last prominent athlete I can think of who fell down and derailed a terrific athletic moment was Dustin Johnson who slipped on a slippery. Floor the week of the masters and miss the masters in a good chunk of the season where supposed to pay a hundred seventy one hundred eighty million dollars to a guy who's entire basketball identity is built on his physical strength and speed home is out of the leave as far as I'm concerned. And I like what to do is S T R E T C H. What am I supposed to do? That's incredible. I wanna give my thoughts on that one. Second. I I wanna do this read for you. Here's the thing about being a Boston sports fan the century house with twelve titles in counting. It just completely ruined you as a sports fan Sedley, you expect the title every year or in our case every four months, but that's the funny thing about better. Once you've experienced it. You can't go back like like we've won twelve titles century, which is the gist of that Hulu commercial. I've been seeing everywhere. It's all. About how Hulu has tons of shows and movies exclusive originals, like the Handmaid's tale pushed live to be for sports. And that once you get Hulu it a ruined TV for you for ever. Start your free Hulu trout today at Hulu H U L, you you might have heard of it dot com. Live TV plan required for live content. Restrictions apply. Somebody wrote that for me, and I just couldn't wait to read it to your house. I hate who. You love food. They have it. I I haven't we pay for it. But I hate that ad read. FU hulu. So Lewis would say anytime somebody falls in the dark slips and falls falls in the bathroom. I'm dubious dome matter who it is like if if it was nephew Kyle came in. And was like sorry. I'm late. I fell in my apartment. I would just I'm just I'm just that kind of person. I'm just naturally suspicious of people. So yeah, do I wonder if there's a more of a story coming out? I don't know you'd really have to. I was thinking you really have to fall down the stairs. Right. There'd be the only way this could happen or miss a step. I could see if it was one of those things where you don't realize it's it's a step that you don't see in your foot hits it wrong. And they could just and he's also heard ready as a bad knee one. And if I was going to be generous, the very best case scenario is it was the middle of night, and he was carrying his son, and he took a wrong step that that's what you know. If you want to be if you wanna be a John wall apologist and come up. With a scenario where that's plausible you say he's already kinda limping around. So he's not under normal body weight. You know distributed evenly. He's carrying his boy is two thirty in the morning. We'll have a hallowed is son. Not even two months. Maybe three months. Oh, 'cause I was gonna say if he has a kid that's like he's like a four year old boy, then you have others Legos and little trucks on the floor. I could see like tearing achilles stepping on that. I don't know. I'm gonna see we'll see if tears Killys in the next year. With some shady house Bill. Yeah. I don't know. It's it's always weird. I remember there was a Red Sox pitcher who cut his hand once in his hotel reaching for a glass that broke on his bed. And it was like one of the all-time dog ate the homework thing. This doesn't remind me of that. I I believe in John wall more than you on the story house. I think you're just scarred by John wall. That's fine. You believe the story wins it gonna play basketball. Again. It's it's gonna be awhile. Unfortunately, wait, we didn't do the power rankings. So you of the Knicks one. I also have the next one. I know have so many Knicks fans in my life. I know how much joy it would bring them. I think I might have Atlanta to oh. Because why? The lottery, though, what is they're they're they're gonna win too many games yet. But they also. Yeah, they would they would Washton. Now, the John wall is out for like a year and a half that probably wouldn't be too much fun. If they got a Phoenix just doesn't deserve him. They bad for Ye for four years now just awful that would kind of make me mad. And then the wildcard is Dallas could somehow get in the top five to see they're they're shoving porzingas. Will they should show porzingas? They're going to win thirty five games. They're not gonna get in the top five, but they have to trade into it. Seven the the the team. Unfortunately, I fear getting him effing Chicago. And they are absolutely tanking enough to God, if they chicken disarray, cheapskate Reinsdorf he'd be like renting Zion app for kids birthday parties for like five hundred bucks to make a little extra money. I mean, just think what Jim Boyle would have him doing in terms of you know, burpee and the bear crawls. Unbelievable. I can't wait sale goes are you watching Zion? Because I keep getting sucked in. I was watching on Saturday getting sucked in he's the most magnetic mesmerizing college players. Kevin durant? I know is there to get sucked in by. He's incredible. Every every time he's on the floors. Something incredible can happen. Here's the second coming of the brand. You hope you're watching all of them will college basketball's bad. That's that's my my issue. The regular college basketball Johner Hardaway. But she's not bad a much in place. Saint John's and the score was like forty two five and. But I unlike its old school him around the rim is really add a control. I really love it. I can't I really hope he goes to the right team. I hope he goes to team with a point guard who can throw them in alleyoop. I hope he goes to team with the right coach in a couple of guys that play hard and just kind of get what he is charged with this piece about how he's like a point center. Basically, I agree. I hope whoever gets him really explores the studio space Zion and tries in every me both fat Ross fairway were on when his fairway wrong coming back next one on this. Coming Monday will have a wrap up of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am and look forward to shit. I don't know what tournament comes next that. That is that sponsored by on. Let me look it up real quick. Now. I think we Rivera we're leaving the Seine. What? Podcast podcast. The. Definitely that take this type with one hand. So I can hold the mic. You know, the same thing is I haven't even drinking February fourteenth seventeenth Riviera golf course. That is exactly what we're previewing. Yeah. 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It seem like he's just doesn't know what is going to do started July now everybody thinks Kadian kyri or come into the next random wages today. Spike Lee in the house first time we've ever done a podcast, and this is like suddenly the best Nick sister. Thank you for have me. And I don't think that it's random. I'm here today. You think fear it's work eight mysterious way. It really does. I'm sixty one. And I noticed that. Very rare things that's random coincidence. Things spirits, ancestors all types of stuff or employees, and I've had this cast for twelve years. I've been waiting for you. Now, all of a sudden today is they show up. That's not a coincidence. I don't think it is not random glad to be cut to be here. Well, anywhere near Yankee hat, and you're you're patriots whose your football Team New York football giants. Okay. But growing up in Brooklyn. Here's my four guys in Brooklyn. Okay. Maze. Ali whoa. Clyde Frazier and Jolie Nemeth. Oh, wow. Nave? It will you. We might have flowed grade. We had a teacher, and they miss Urbe. Blonde hair. Full breast at her claim to fame was she went out. They Joe Namus, yo. Wow. And we loved her. And has jokes may as the first time as Joel do you? Remember this woman we had a teacher. She said he went out do. So name is Joe Willis. So spike what she looked like. Well, she was blonde. So you gotta give you more than that. A books in blinds play. Dying laughing. So you wrote a basketball book before I did. You grew up in in MS. Yeah. Yeah. And all the game eight I mean all the game seven get as game. Eight would have been amazing on may eighth. Yeah. You ed? I was there. The will is read game. Greatest moment accessory. You know until today. Well, no, we had won another championship. But you know, as mazing market cause habitat got hurt. Come on. Have a check gave you that chip which playing left handed and gave several guestbook negate the Mets when to. Tim Wakefield gave one to go back. I know he's ok Rudy poo people, guess you. Anyway, so. Leykis yet will Chamberlain Jerry West. Elgin baylor. Layup line. The biggest ROY ever heard in my life than tire Laker team stopped. Froze. Turnaround, the whole team lit three hall of famous the whole team stop line. The c Willis wreak drag his leg on the court and nicks one champion, then hit the first two baskets in wolf rich at thirty six points at the like welfare he was amazing in that game when he walked out or the two shots. No. When he came out. I've been allowed sporting events. Yeah. But when Willis came out came on court. I have a prize possession to great Nick IMAS, g photographer. George kalinski. Yeah. I have the only photograph. Willis Reed getting the needle Rio at I heard it was like a wasn't like two foot needle deal dead horse needles about. Yeah. Add on add the only print signed by Clint ski and Willis Reed the needles. Big yet. He's on the trainer's table. And this is like nineteen seventy when may know smart ways to do this. They basically got veterinarian equipment to try to knock his lemme even today, though football how many things they want bigger. All go up there. Right. I mean this. Concussion stuff. That's that's new. So I was saying we did a podcast yesterday to porzingas got traded. I was saying that I felt like the Knicks fans had replaced Red Sox fans since we one where. And here's why wasn't. So you. How is? Forty six years, but we hadn't won for eighty six. But the point the cubs that to-to, but comes one I said, but until then was ninety eight right. But here's the thing. You have do you have these generations Knicks fans, right? The Knicks start nineteen forty six like, my friend, William Goldman, the screenwriter was gone. Those games all the time. He just died ago rate forty five years of his life at the end there. He doesn't get see it. But you have all these generations. I think that's what makes it different. You have Knicks fans ridging's from age to age ninety that have kind of living and dying with this will. There's always hope now you have it. And now if we get was was messed up now, they changed the rule. Yeah. So now the three worst teams get forty percent chance they had to do it because Philly they were tanking ears. So we get blessed, but a the basketball guys above and we get a Zion is over have using Zion person know the game they played the garden now is out of town. But is is going to be like, the the garner can be rocking. We get. We have again, let me not gonna this is nice table here. He cannot this is would. Yeah. But this is more than one. Might be rivers. Jinx. We will. We brought him from south Boston. But it's not I'm tapping. On. So he thinks this is set up here. This is a dope being double cross have me tapping on. So Boston would not go. I wish we had bus. But. Durant? Yeah. Kyri? Ziya without Dennis Smith junior. We would you just stop making movies? You retired age sixty one. I know at twenty but another twenty Corsa was in his eighties Clinton eighty four. Clint Eastwood eighty four right? I read a quote. Corsa? Okay. Believe me. No disrespect the Clinton. But it was a little no not all because in film school. I saw Russia Mon. Yeah. Now was the gaming ideals. My first film. I remember, I know despite the Clinton, but and I got to meet. Cure. So but. This is a is. Can I ask what your reaction was to zinc here in the ballot shout we set I don't know because I was doing interviews yesterday. So turn my phone off. I turned on. Oh exploded in my head. Doesn't WTO. What happens? Yeah. Didn't you hear were? You believer import Zangas Twee got hurt. Because he had that ten game stretch starter last year when it looked like he was gonna be like thirty and twelve guy believe it. He. Tell look our. I was not that kid who is crying or sane at the draft. Yeah. I liked his game. And here's the thing in today's sports world, the players have so much control. And if you have a guy that does want to be there. You got to get what you can't for him. Just that's just the way it is the have a guy on a team those wanna be there and the whole team sees that is not a good mix. My reaction when the trait. We did a podcast right after I was like this is terrible. Classic knicks. But then the only thing in their benefit is I heard what you just said I've heard over and over again from people connected them, and it was like he didn't want to be there. He's going to leave. Plus, we've got two first round picks to which we second one was that. But at the very least you can throw that those picks into another trade to get something else. So they have more options than they've had. The problem is to give up on a twenty three year old guy at a rookie deal who has attention be a franchise guy that was pretty riff, but you have to look at that injury though. Right. And and it's height. The fact that the seven foot three guy some guys six four but to be seven three and half that injury. Yeah. Yeah. The tall tall tall. Guys Kareem was the only one who seemed to just be able to be durable. You can't leave out wilt though. But what? But we'll got hurt that one year member he hurt his he blew out his kneecap that one year he missed the whole year. But he came back. He came back. Yeah. But yeah, built was built like, you know, did you see? Well, when he was what point did you see him in person? Later later. I mean, the my first memories of going to Nick game. My father was the sixty eighteen before they made the Bush trade came was good. Mean we had the pieces, but it was when Bush came s when it really. Came together lay great pits tag. I know the white Tigers for taggers. Yeah. The Bush, and let's talk about this. What do you think theories? Yeah. When the late great date, the Bush shou, put his hand into the thing for the draft was envelope was envelope in the microwave or come out of. It was third stern. Put it in there. I'm saying about when he was picking so. You know, the butcher his the people pick. They put the hand in thing. Don envelope. It wasn't David Stern. No stern was the one who picked him out in a row. Stern was that. The thing was a little worst though, it a little bent in the side mission. Was those now stern, but it was a little bent on the side. I've freeze frame it. Because technology's better did look I pick the one that what are the sides? So I thought just a butcher so full stir was on. So if he pulled off the greatest magician trick of our time frozen, the one envelope, and he just like. It was hot code is just feel the hot one feel like that's. Who who who's also the next day got my season tickets for the Knicks eighty four the very next day. Oh, there's eighty five year after Bernard. Whatever Padua Gillan. Yeah. Spring eighty five. I I wouldn't I on online six and the next one and got my season Bernard guy or no. Noche my neighborhood. Okay. For is incredible. They're bernard's. My neighbor four green. There's a hospital. My name fork in Brooklyn where Bernard was born there. Albert, Mike Tyson and Michael Jordan. This is called come on hospital. It's amazing. They will little anti little Anthony periods and Dana Dane, all born hostile my neighborhood in the People's Republic of Brooklyn, New York. Bernard. Dard Woodhead it gets eighty four south six all he can add Maxwell said he's not four. They gave it again. And did it again. It was amazing every time the Celtics come to the garden because he does a rail. Yeah. I was looking on bread. And he said don't come over here side. I am because he knows real Bernard king you used your movies to attack Larry Bird. I didn't appreciate here's the thing. I didn't appreciate it at all. But here's the thing. You say he was ugly. Jan savage bird t shirt and had run over somebody sneakers. I saw those weren't sneakers those Jordan through. Yeah. Exactly. No. This this real visiting. I have always a mired Larry Bird. I'm never says you're disparaging is yet. Let me use your despair ghost. I'm use the guest on this. Is it they know never ever ever. Libraries, the hall of fame of great player. My comments about labor would not record to him with director to the white media pushed him into position of being the savior with. He want asked for that. I agree there. And so I met learnt recently. Really? Yeah. We had a great talk. Did you know about the movie? Yes, he man the first movie came out Ouston costs on. Then is looking right at him. Then interested run next Daniels appointments they getting guy right there. So you Danes that's true. Here's the thing. I had multiple spec for library Larry Bird. All I wanna do was play ball. It's true. He had done fortunate situation where because he was so great. And it was white and was Boston. He was put -sition of being the savior. I remember if you want back in NBA cbssports, I'm not gonna announcer. Larry Bird was at the Boston Garden. Six AM this morning. He twenty thousand shots careened into work on magic magic or working with. Not that was not the narrative. Yeah. It was always bird running in the garden around the laugh Soviet my stuff was not meant to be at an last. We. Lie. We look if backed the when I saw when I met Larry last week. I brought up the whole thing that famous picture him choking 'em, Dr J. Yeah. Went to that game. So I'll tell you what a gentleman Larry's. He he said, well, he plunked everything down for everything. Then I spoke the Barclay. And he told me what the real story was. Yeah. But that should help grant gentle libraries wanna get into that. But he loves Dr Jack. Yeah. So he wouldn't spiking those things happen. You know, what happened though because? Yeah. Yeah. He was busting his ass. Started talking shit to Jewish didn't like it. I know. Yeah. So I had most respect for Larry great player. One agrees all time. So we're cool. He's the big rate in MSG. He is to love playing there. He's very your. If you all the real players would come. You're not going out the night before. Right. That's one after the game. As a team has stay another to but you come into garden. Going to bed nine o'clock. You might put stuff on other city, but the New York. It's this. It's this. The world's greatest reading. And and the other day James harden. He six one. Yeah. What do you say for the game? I never had a garden a garden moment. Yeah. But luckily, he one point short time mellows record and mellow. B O amazing story. I did this film stock mentally Kobe doing work. Yes. So we did a thing but foot, but for the DVD released we we wanted to have a. We close things commentaries how Metairie. So the only time to do it when the Lakers came to the garden. So. Was scattered do the commentary after the game. And that's more scores. Six points. Oh my God. Seriously at the commentaries after the game sixty the golden guarding the broke the gun. He's a spike. All your fucking. You knew doing a commentary. That's breaking record. You went to the Carmelo game. Right. I was there. He he lifts them on the table. He came out with like four or five minutes left. He could've gone for seventy always drives me crazy day. And. Yeah. People hit me up. Yeah. Commodity killing at least sixty eight. Gimme gimme your top five. Could you did this in your book players? Yeah. You're. Teams of players players 'cause you did this in your book, but you wrote your book twenty twenty what twenty years ago? Yeah. Fifteen years ago. I know this this debate current debate about who's graceful title on and do that. Because. I have to I had this mentioned that knowing that is debased come about since what LeBron set. Yep. And I know you know, you bring a team back down three one. I'm not mixed grades player vol. So for me players. I saw. Am j born in Brooklyn, New York. Grew up North Carolina. Michael, Jordan k. Coby Coby to okay three. Lebron said, sadly, no, I got respectful will brought even after he didn't come to play for you in two thousand ten that. I it has to look my thing is is do is best for you. Is it true? You made a video to for the recruiting video for two one day a whole bunch of people. Did it you did? Yeah. That thing was was not. Well, thought out. It was 'cause LeBron Wade we're going there. And then they changed their minds did not go some messed up. Yes. Something one day that real LeBron ties tell what happened with the Knicks. I think saying the real story from what I know for a while. And nobody actually believes me Wade we're going there. And then it got screwed up. We'll find out the real story. This is ways last year. The truth always comes out. Eventually I'd sell the brand three see Jordan. Kobe magic magic for. Cream corinne? Bird, six six-man. Look as you always get in trouble when you list any lists. So, but Bert, look I got love for and the thing about her is that the broilers love lie birds. So that whole thing. So he was he was cool everybody. Yeah. He was cool. Everybody any any any talks math? He could talk smack. So. Is unfortunate that. My part I was trying to use library to make a point on the media how they hoist them up. And then we can't get the whole Boston Celtics LA Laker dynamic and you look at the history of Boston. And African Americans is look I mean rebuild we'll book. Yeah. I mean, the Red Sox last team pumps green the last. So they changing your Yawkey way. For reasons behind that. So there's a complicated history with Americans. It's kind of oh, no doubt. It's a lot better. They got they got a poor Rica manager, I went to see Russell. And at the end of two thousand twelve 'cause we did this documentary about him for Embiid TV in the whole premise was like why don't you ever go back to Boston trying to figure out what happened and the Steph you'll Kate on his bed. I mean, it's crazy. I mean, they were like nine thousand people go into playoff games in their selling hockey. So I mean, he had real reason we're not those games in south hell, no. They didn't start selling out to the seventies. So our back teams. They went schilling on Bob Cousy. Now, Tommy Heinsohn. None of them guys. They only sell an art of it might have been basketball. Just pop the finals more soul dollar regular season. If finals sold I don't know. I don't think it was great the net. The Knicks thing wouldn't extinct. Which is the fact that you've been terrible this whole century, basically except for like a nine month span like at what point do you look at this big picture and go why is doing this to me? What Red Sox fan site? What? You got there. What was what was the cruelest moment of the last twenty years for you? Well, those I would tell you that. Those pacer Knicks series going into the nineties. Yes. That's all part of the go back. But when when Reggie also say me Reggie cool happened twenty years ago. All good all of all good regimen. All that game five. I woke up the next day because oh every more go to corner Bodega, get the papers. Get my coffee, bagel cream cheese. Cut down the middle. The data. In. So I go go to papers on I'm on the front page, nuke news day, New York Post. And your daily news. I'm on the front page. In game. Six is Marcus square Rena. And like. I mean, I gotta go. Record side. I know of saying no, it was a minute though that want to go. So I landed in the affluence. And does like five TV crews there? In. So I didn't go straight the markets. I went to visit Mike Tyson prison. So all amaze day will get on us Nick sought Nick sucks. You know that stuff while you're getting heckled by Indianapolis inmates. Yes, that's that's rough is true story. So game six. And, you know, close in minutes and the ushers start surround the court. Have a rope. Stop fans storming feel and thank God. John stocks went beserk. We want 'cause Knicks loss game. Six outta had the move right out ahead to move go. But it'd been that serious. You we did the and then we Patrick hit the shot put at the thirty on this. You said you were actually in fear a little bit on Indianapolis. Yeah. The clan was founded Indianapolis. No, they they me and my out pal going. Do we had and then? What's the own Davis Simon? Yeah. His son is a fucking asshole. Heard seven. Yeah. So I'm trying to say we need security. Yeah. And they're looking at him. Yeah. He's like he came here. So it was I I got hurt. And then that was game three. So then at the call NB office. The assigned someone to me from the league. Yeah. But I mean, you saw you saw there thirty, you know, you don't penance. Yeah. They would turn upside down. So was a hood clan is thin is in the peace. Remember? So I don't think that would go over well in the internet era. They would be Senate there'd be sending those pictures out pretty fast. They got this face. Anyway, Dow was. Patrick, Patrick jumped on the stores famous picture jumping scores table. We went to Houston. Yeah. Up three to go. X is a story. My man, Al pal Goania. Yeah. So our bike got a scheme. So he was tight with a Maxwell. So he he had burn Amax up. All ver- max up to eight o'clock and water spart didn't work. We understand. He did it all the time. Yeah. And then it's like Iverson some guys just didn't sleep. Oh, yeah. And then. You know, this always gonna be a talk. And I love stocks is my when my favorite players and was he three foot twenty one sometime thank game seven but game six like they had a chance to win in the last minute. And that's that was my fundamental problem. Pat was open somebody. Yeah. But who's the guy the guard? Plea was great with the Dallas Mavericks der Carper. No, the Orlando. Yeah. Orlando I don't wanna get my brother in trouble. But Hugo to the grave thinking that he would hit some shots. Right. But he didn't was that the fundamental problem that team though that in in a must-win game in the road, the second kind of creator slash score in that team is kinda John Starks, which I know what hitter marinole, but John I love you baby. So no disrespect. But is I I don't put that's not John. John Starks kept put himself in a guy. He's going to do that. That's that's Pat Riley. Right. We've worn the same day March. Twentieth. So pag give me some slack, fitness. My brother. Orlando Orlando you thought he should got some himself. Yeah. What about the Charles Muth south? Is it the bulls? For for black steals in like, two seconds. He has the try to dunk the first one. Agreed. He was eleven he was going like a guard. Yeah. See I think that was the worst. That was right Tuesday. They win the next to you got game five seven at home. And you basically you win that game bowls probably win six. But then yeah, got seven MSG all even chose. We're talking about some have how many years ago twenty five twenty six even Charles Smith had made that basket. Michael Jordan wanna found. Way to win. That's the part. Everyone forgets about that game. He's still would've had like eight seconds left. We've seen it before. The man's ability to put his in put his will. He would have found. No way in the world. Michael Jordan will lose a finals. Yeah. That's how I feel is not going to happen. So course, Charleston made the layup. But. MJ the black cat lag. Jesus. Room of rose, the black Jesus thorough Monroe is black Jesus was that his nickname that was the first, but they had you know, he passed along pass along. Yeah. But. And so that's why that's why you get into the whole LeBron how many finals LeBron lost a lot. He's also had some ignominies exits let joy had one bad one. And when he came back from baseball and Orlando beat them that was the only time he's kind of didn't didn't steal the ball from something like that. They can't arson, but he missed free throws. All right. The in the final Seattle's I'm still I wrote my book ten years ago. And it was like look Jordan's the best part ever not having this argument again, it's over and now LeBron back because he's because of the longevity. I think that's what chain she's having this Kareem type he's going to have a twenty year career where he basically has not gotten hurt is and has been incredibly hard grew house. How long has grown injury. He just came back. I know ledger. Yes. Seventeen games. Here's the thing. Like to say, which a lot not you. But you knew warning me. But if you add up all LeBron's playoff games. It's like it's like two more season is maybe three actually we do. But why looked it up? He's had his plate this released two more seasons. He's he's going through last. He's gonna finals every year loses. Go onto the fines is at fifty five thousand minutes if you had the NBA the regular season and the playoffs. But is, you know, the playoff minutes are like they can't like a minute and a half said so intense. Well, so I don't know how do I number level of Brown and. We have to pick sides because I don't like each other. Now, I think there's some beef, but twain MJ and LeBron I think there's wait is MG. Everything babble any any publicly all nj likes the goat stuff when you're the go. You don't like go conversation mica said he he said this recently. I never ever said, I'm the greatest 'cause I never played it as the great players of all the heiress. He's against us. Don't you think? It's a coincidence said he has a ten hour documentary coming out now celebrating his life, right? As this. Lebron thing that they've Greg secrete moved by working that thing's been on the show for years. You looked at it for a while. I go another direction. Oh, I remember when I was at ESPN. I remember we were trying to we had that all I can say is they win another direction. You had it though at it. At it. I remember, brother. I I was there. They went I want you to do it. They they went another direction. Yeah. Greatest five New York City point cards over. I'm not put him order, but don't order tiny Archibald. Okay. Give me the mount Rushmore. Gimme gimme four. Mark jackson. Charlie Scott was from Harlem, see, Charlie scarred sleigh. He's one of the loss. Guys. I know Charlie Scott average like thirty five game in the NBA would Lenny Wilkins boys goes high school. So you just listed for how would you say about most talented Steph in the most talented floor. Oh, how is it? My brother ages ABRAHAM LINCOLN a real splitter same school. Jesus stills worth. I was how much he got game was Steph marva. Stuff has Steph was right. Hey, we say that there's about his about him. That's my true. But the similarities because as point guard in Brooklyn Coney Island, but the whole father son thing and all other stuff, but definitely. But you know, might make it to who. He's gonna be freshman next year. Oh. Cole. Anthony, oh, I saw highlights of this guy. Greg fast, the door, the the son of crystal and Greg Anthony, he's Greg Anthony, son. Yes, I didn't know that. Yes. What school is he going to he's Oak Hill. Now, that's where I saw and they have some other kid on that team. Who's supposedly maze into? Yeah. Internet has a way of getting these kids until public. Now, this guy the son of crystal Greg Anthony. He's going. I'm not I can't say what was going on. But he's coming to the league, Greg. Anthony respectable performance in that one fight when he was in street clothes still got involved for that killed us. That was a good one. What killed us that that series against Miami? The fight with came up to. Negate why Charlie ward do that the game's over this is two times 'cause the two thousand seven Suns that was the other team when that kind of change the course of history in the next game. He had like. A place the they spend it whole team's terrible. When did you feel like when you were saying courtside the guys in the other team were not only aware of you? But felt like they had to interact with you in some way as like a rite of passage for I was interact. His thing the whole thing. Reggie Miller blue opera Porsche because. I'm not even saying that. No, I'm saying that respects they always lineups, you know, the pre-game lineup or halftime you come by. So that's the nineties like before. Reggie. Yeah. Dude. I think eighty nine also starting. Really star. I mean, I wasn't STIs down wasn't sitting courtside. Yeah. When did you get courtside? I moved on every year. They moved me down. So I can afford courtside that. They weren't still no seats there game out. This Levy, then they got smart. We could sell tickets, right? I can't hear. But when I started sitting courtside always the players, you know. You know, my ceases as they come around on. Label on this is right there, you know, front of my seat. So I always been. You know, the thing regime that put out by I say, Michael Jordan without been stupid. You can't really can't he'll give me a WinCo way. But when he's on the court, he's not like doing doing business. Let me tell you never said before that love those words when I was in early year when Celtics real good. That's every year. But when Mikhail that team, though, Paracels guys low people the whole, Boston, New York thing is is complicated. Anyway. Before the back then garden, they will let people weren't your seats. They will let you stand behind the bass watch Lateline. And. Out like Mikhail looking at me. And I was looking at him. I said can the kale you suck. You looked at me in say nothing I felt so stupid and those says four and in just being course, I in the Beauce the athletes have to take that. It's amazing that. Stay state is being Neil guilty that right? And the way looked at me a sec in evidence have been very reigned in. How I mean? The Beauce is amazing athletes. Don't choke wanna focus Lifton, right. That the tests may hasn't happened nine times. All yes is abuse. And because. Is really really horrible. I remember marble game six eighty six finals Houston, Boston the day after the Sampson fight Samson came in the guard. And we were like ready for Sampson Assissi signs. I've sold one and he came in and the anger. It took him out. He's done it like eight points. He was done like he could. As you know, everybody's not built for people. Yeah. People athletes that they'll they'll use that. You know, the get fired up, you know. All right like they rink. Identify on the podcast about six months ago as well. You're not gonna believe this. But he's very excited to talk about. I had heard he got game stories. So I'll get your version of it that he was supposed to lose a game thing. And he wrote for dope around. What is your version of the story? I like the say for Denzel denzel's played university. At forum. Yeah. Oh, he's he's proud to PJ charisma was coach. Yeah. So. In the script aversion. The father on battle. And he got game. Do I wrote it is that Jesus show were supposed to be his follow Jake, twelve zip. Now, raise never this is first film. So Ray is like we gotta do what description exactly Denzel, not tell me. But I knew that. No one world was Dessel. Knock try scored basket. Because then they'll still consider himself Abol. Yeah. So we start filming and basil just to look shit. It's home humble. I mean, he's Bank. It shouldn't like crazy. And you just film in the whole time. Yeah. So at the six something. Ray said look he's instead of saying cut he saying time out. Is making. It's like the referee time out time out and the great Susan Batson, who's one of the most phenomenal acting coaches. She's women him. What are you doing? Why? You're why doing the laughing? Spike. Scripts says oppose a win twelve nothin. He looks at me. I go like this. What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? We wanna do. So for Denzel. It was a moral victory. Yes, seriously because he scored I think five assays baskets scored four four. So he said he told Ray beforehand. It's like I never been but go left, but then when laugh. Privy to he's trying to pull some jet. My so is in. Dentals very proud of his performance film because it's those back on all famous. I gotta say that's one of my favorite sports movie scenes ever because I know 'cause Denzel starts talking shit, and like real life comes into the scene Rayo, and you could see him like being like all right mad Ray knew that this stills seen. He knew that his fellow players getting on us s like, I know played Malcolm that. But you guys. It's gotta be the greatest secretly the greatest achievement of dead sauce put up four points on Ray Allen who also lucky stuff though. But it went in. He was banking release. Ray allen. So he because he's a novice his first film. He think he had the, you know, the get up on then in denzel's competitive, you know, so you wanna look like a punk out there. He's going to try to. Also. It was a better better than I wrote. I agree is better than I wrote. Because you the father has to. The sun has to win in. But you gotta see the father. Scores from Basque. There's gotta be some father, son. I'm still I'm still your dad. Exactly, I agree with that. Exact you ruined hoosiers for me. Why is that? I was like my favorite sports movie ever in. Then I read your book about it. And you pointed out Kris high school, you pointed out how how a racist was at the end where the hoosiers team is playing the black the all black team with the coach was the four point lead. Who's just becomes a more on at the end of the movie, but you know, Oscar opposite on that team. Right. Well, he was on. He wasn't. There was the one thing that. Later does one black. There's only one high school in Indianapolis. I think the hoosiers team was like nineteen fifty and then Oscars team was mid-fifties. But how would you would Hollywood come on goes? But you know, I know you're going to be the grease documentary Hoop Dreams. Does not I mean basketball documentary, you think that is the Chris Hoop Dreams. Oh, yeah. It's been often imitated ever since. Well, that's what happens when. The standard, you know, people try to. What about what about that seventy fish? Pittsburgh what he's done that is funny. Fast for Nardi gave you recap live. Well, welcome back outlet fun to see those guys Mike Warren's that heroin investor was what was shack does blue chips. Nick Nolte was a coach. Yeah. Shack and penny. Hardaway is is hard to do. I mean is boxes. Easiest sport think recreate in the narrative film, but yeah. Yeah. Basketball. I it just looks football. North Dallas forty. I the seventies movies. Still hold up for me north Dallas forty still holds up in bad news bears. That was good. Ben is Barry and bad. News bears to is pretty good too slapshot still holds up longest yard. I think holds up. Let's let's skip over slapshot who's the starving. Paul Newman, Paul Newman, cool hand, Luke. Yeah. Kuan, Luke and longest still holds up only till story. So giving me do twenty with our. Yeah. And I'm gonna move badly. Thank you. I want to put up a the cool hand Luke poster in north apartment. So I make the call. They say you had a call Paul Newman for permission. So I get his office number. I never met before says come on over spike say cames office. A good talk. Gave me the blessed us. It did not that. It's the the film was done. I call him again. And he signed it for me, really. And what people forget about Paul Newman, Marlon Brando. Peel off guys like that. They were marching with the Dr king. They're writing big checks. They pull them by a cine. Portia bellefonte. Those guys were very very informed. A lot of people have let them out they really really behind the movement. Not just write checks. They were marching, you know, with with the king. So I wanna bring it up Paul Newman in the stuff is done with his charities. Yeah. That's my man clan. Luke's Bill Russell you relationship with him. Not really 'cause he was another one who is that who is at the forefront of a lot of. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, Bill, you know, know, you it looks like crazy. My father law him play golf together. So I help them Jorge Luis say, oh, then I was okay. But you don't know you you just go walk up to him. That's that's just I'm not mad on. That's just that's the way, you know, when you get nominated for black klansman, and they said this is spikes first nomination. Let's. Let's be fair. For directing and piss and picture. So I was like that can't be true. I've been here. The whole time is true. And I follow this stuff. But I've had to websites that were sports coach says now he had and then I went through and it was like oh screen play for. Dude. Right. Well, eighty nine the us right thing. No. I know, but the not getting picture in eighty nine is one of the biggest travesty four. Thank you very much. But before I'm not saying that no nominated I win. We only got nominations. It was outrageous scream playing Danielle lost out the Denzil glory. And then I want at at nominate my documentary follow girls. About the bombing of the sixty Baptist church. And so what so what do you think happened thirty years later in eighty nine I'll tell you got nominated because as you've gone record talk about driving miss daisy. Very good question. I think what has happened is that specifically with the academy. With. April rain starting off is so white. And then the then. President of the Cami motion picture sciences, Sherwin ISAACs. They with the the link and MS Isaac's Shelbourne is with the was probably hard. Let me start again. Okay. What happened? I think is that two things happen. April rains. Oscarssowhite hashtag. Also, I write and Sherburne ISAACs who then was the president of the cabin. Most Pixar sizes those two combine. Made the board of governors realized they had to open up the voting membership of the kademi and not just have seventy year old white people. Had be opened up its has opened a radical idea. And with this opening up of the membership. Moonlight. Whole lot of films fetish, you the nomination not been there because as more diversified and. The Cami looks more like. The United States merica now writing a hat, Pat. It makes sense eighty nine. I mean, he here's a perfect example. I was say that the kademi a Motion Picture Arts assizes in nineteen ninety on the Bill before they must were much more coupled with the the character of Hoke drive is daisy then yes, Mookie. Bugging out. And definitely Ray wrong with that boombox blasting. Yeah. Fight the power. It's so funny. How they ask work. We talk about a lot. We've done a million podcasts on it. Get out was a good example, you I was like ten years from now, I know get out is gonna be the memorable movie from that year. But for whatever is in the moment, they've Ofer shape a water. It's like, I know how this is going to play out ten years from now people like, oh that was the year get came out. And it was so clear with your movie. I remember seeing your movie think it was in Cambridge and like one came. But you're right. And kind of stumbling out of it be like what the fuck just happened. Basic John was we're library jersey bugging outs as bad about jets got over that. But it was such. It was just such a movie there just never seen before. And I think sometimes the ask doesn't know what to do with that. But he thing knows that. Which I've come to understand. Was not the first time happen with the. Mishap for happens. Other time rage embolden out win. What one ordinary people about Pacino didn't win for godfather to willow list, is is might let's talk about this. Alpa chino want? This woman. Odense ELS, Malcolm X. That was the chino did not win for godfather, the one godfather to serpico that was like a makeup afternoon. Yeah. And and just for all. Yeah. So you could say. Denzel's training training day was a makeup call. Because other he was awesome in training day. But he had to win for that one because they screwed up. Look what Patino Gotha godfather to dog day afternoon. Do you know in seventy four and it just throwing you don't win. She lost in seventy four and soda Nicholson and Chinatown they lost to occur in Harry and Totta tough. How are Carney? He was like eighty skip it to the skiff. Look your favorite fifteen years from now, definitely. He's got to wait it out. They love the law. But again, I. Conversation. More about this. We don't do. That's not the reason why I make films and the great stuff is going to be seen a new generation no-one. I'm saying respectfully. But no one is watching drives this days now. I would say twenty years ago either right thing is in library of congress will do the right thing. Also this decade. It took on a new meaning context. Aero garner. Yeah. Chill colt. And this year is gonna be through anniversary of the film. I know that's why I brought it up. Well, you know, a lot even though you read. A page. Let me ask the question. I mean radio where he gets choked death by a cop in that movie that was thirty years ago. Well, it's based upon something had six things, right. The thing about do right things where we had the forecast on justification. We're talking do the right thing was I wrote this crimen eight we had. We forecast gentrification global warming a whole bunch of stuff people talking about that this prevalent today. Police violence. Tallahassee a whole bunch of stuff and is. Is the blessed? One of the great things about that movie. It I I never understand how people pull this off. I'm not saying this kiss your US. There's like thirteen distinct characters in that movie. Maybe even more. I don't know what the exact number is that you kind of feel like, you know, and they're not even really in it that much, you know. And I think that's for me the legacy that movie is the way it's shifted over the thirty years, what's happening culture. But also just like the characters I just hadn't really seen that do the right thing was Rosie presence first film. Yeah. Martin lawrence. Romance is in it, Robin Harris verse film junkie was Hallett berries first film. So we add gotta give credit to Robby Reed. Who was my? Cast directors allies people that that she known LA. So she was late. So I got got got meet the town out there. It's weird that you don't get mentioned. I think maybe just 'cause you're you're so famous down, but the whole independent kind of thing that started happening late eighties through the nineties all these people making mind Kevin Smith, making clerks Amish you made that would you make it for like two hundred grand. She have it. Yeah. Two hundred eight hundred seventy five thousand. Two weeks we shot six two six day weeks July six day weeks. Yes, Sunday, you take off to live. I live fourteenth. Where'd you get a hundred seventy five we were doing crowdfunding because before there was crowdfunding, really? I mean, no technology, but the principal crowdfunding, you know, we'll do it phone call. Did you know what number you had to get to or it was just like? As soon as I got enough. What are we got? We got to go with. That's that's what it was one seventy five. I wonder what that is. Now would that be like two million one million? Eighty five. What's one seventy five and eighty five on what the equivalence year, we shot a eighty five. Yeah. So it's probably like one point five million hours since I think, so I don't know. I don't know Larry Bird made six hundred thousand eighty five now LeBron makes thirty five million. I don't know how to what is anywhere expect that's stupid money stupid money. So then after do the right thing. I mean, you did jungle fever, but when did you start really I Malcolm X? Was that always in the back of your head? Or was that like once you had these opportunities thought that the story is that the great director Norman juice was attached to the film within Zell. And with announce I made public known would like to be considered for the role in the producer Marvin worth. Great guy. Manage Lenny, Bruce in always, he's one guy who seen everything. Yeah. He arranged a meeting where Norman Jewison I sat down. And. Noticing. I mean, Norman gracefully. He didn't have to do always give credit to him because it was his film is yet a deal than those play, Malcolm X, and Noma juice was playing skews was directed film. Any it was his job, and he gracefully bowed out which he didn't have to do. So it's give credit to Norman for that. It's weird for guide that movie, I don't know. Well. That I wasn't you know. Yeah. His his his decision. And I thank you for that married to my camp because he he did not have to do that you stumbled into something I should say stumbled because it was intentional. But the way you marketed that movie with the X hats. I remember in the moment, they can lay this fucking smart. This viral advertising everybody there's a six month stretch everybody one of those hats and come out yet very early on. I understood that had to beat my own drum yet coming for independent cinema. I was not gonna have numerous dollars on TV has stuff like that. People forget on June thirty nine hundred eighty nine dude. Writing open the same day as Tim Burton's. Batman. Says ain't date set of steak knows called a culture. Oh, it's called counter. Programmer. Yes. But. No win world universal. And then no, no. Should they have spent him of money? That Bob daily Terry Semel was spent on on bat. I mean timbers Batman prince did score Jack Nicholson. There is some weird shake own with do the right thing that people were like were worried about oh, it might be an incendiary movie. They like David Denby down the New York the New Yorker. Yeah. I remember though, not great this. Be careful because what happens in the theater. Blood might be a spike Lee's hands this film gonna site. Black the riot all over the country. You know, crazy ship. Yeah. That stuff has not Asia. So they look stupid. Yeah. And it's another guy. Joe something his name. Joe client. He'll klein. Yeah. I remember that I saw at Morgan. On the cell up. We've gone from New York, I stayed. I gave a look though, you side item. My head was turned both ways like that. He, but he knew that in none of those guys ever say. All right. Bye. Fucked. They never never say. Your letter. Nothing. Yeah. It's like you wanna make you fucked up when you blaspheme Larry Bird, the greatest forward of all time me library letter me know, let me know reedmen. We have a little we spoke like this. I just say so. I knew that had the beat my own drum. Yep. And the person I never says was for a lot of I. Yeah. The person I learned from was Madonna really of she was the master the person despite the learn how to market. Me my brand my films was from Donna she she was the first one who figured all the shit out. She added she changed her look every year. Now, everything was calculus Steiner, Madonna. So thank you sister. But Donna were you selling the hat to sell the hat me. How many hours filling she's t shirts in front of the month? Looking theater. How many hats you? So do you. Remember, we saw Tun's and then million people doing bootleg stuff. So that's what. Do you the end credits? Amalgam ex we show various people who gave us money to finish a film. So you see the shot, Michael? And magic wearing I remember x hat when that happened. It was game over. Oh. Yeah. That that was how do we the story? No, please do. Well, we never. Got the correct budget the pro budget for Malcolm X seriously. Yes. But we everybody knew that I knew it warm. Brazil New the bond company knew it. So we always knew that dune dooms they were that their reckoning where we out of money. So we planned the schedule. We started September break for the holidays and finish in South Africa and Egypt. So once we came to that break. We were told that we had to cut the budget. They want the shoot on the jersey shore instead of. Said egypt. Yes. Oh, no. And it was it was a very it was a rough time. It gets those two locations, don't look, alike and. And then another thing. The first time we show Malcolm X to Bob Daly, and Terry Semel who ran the studio was the day. I swear to Gaza truth was a day on the Rodney King verdict Ono the same day and that cut was four hours. But to their credit Bob Daly and Terry symbol, stay throughout the whole former screening while LA was up in flames. She's so they're sisters come in every every half an hour like notes and stuff, and we need to get a helicopter. I don't they were talking here. I'm saying you need a helicopter. I mean, it was LA was in and to their normal pee myself. I give love the dako- predators a warrant brothers. Bob. Daly and Terry Semel stay throughout the four hour cut. Jeez. So they say, spike. So later on we knew. No way the world expected to be four hours. We just wanna see what it looks like doing a three hour cuts and a cyst we cannot release it three hour cut. The reason why studios don't like the longer list is because that means there's one less screening read the theater, it's seven o'clock time. I'm doing we're doing Malcolm mix. Warm was also JFK. That was like three hours. Killed story here. My brother slow down. Can't we? So. So I know they can release K Feis ASA. How long is? Cases are two hours. But they don't do stone. Our of how long do you have case by three don't tell them that? See director, look I'll be. So they didn't know I knew our K was three hours. I all right. We'll keep it three hours. So I was not gonna cave. One of those let the bond company takeover the movie and the bond company, promptly fired. Everybody. All the p editors everybody fired. And. We couldn't work in. I I got paid women dollars for for night put that entire salary into the movie Jesus. So I had a more money. Yeah. Put in a film anymore. So doing this film in pre production or one of the most important books. I've read was autobiography Malcolm X's told outs Haley, and due to high school and had had the re we study Malcolm into they kept coming to my mind was self determination. So for lines. So the termination stuff aligns. I said damn that's it. I knew I could call prominent African-Americans the head money. At not assistant at the phone number. I call up calm up. But the tricky thing is this house as a really I was had my yucky hat hand begging. The trick been that this the miles ask for could not be investment. It could not be attacked Royal this had to be a gift. So I made my list, I personal coz Bill Cosby. How much need I told him? He said spike new put in a male said, no, no got in the subway. Random Bill Cosby's rows, don't rang the bell. Hamill check. I even come inside. 'cause I had to get back before he might change his mind, right, boom. So. Tracy chapman. Tracy Chapman, Tracy chat. Wow. Janet jackson. Magic was involved. Oh. Brother. Let me tell the story. Kill it. I go to order. Yes. Miss winfrey. There's woman named Peggy Kupa Capers just philanthropists who just passed overhead which she Oprah at that point. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I guess she wants okay prince. Janet. And it came down to last to list magic. And Michael every time. I'm making next coal every time making this Cole. I'm asking for money. Two more people are lists. I called magic spike while you need, boom. So last call is Michael Jordan the goat. Born in Brooklyn, New York. Anyway. Oh, if that, so I know Michael's very competitive, Michael the one lose fucking tiddlywinks. This happened. Let slip how much magic wrote on this. Check. That was it. So Michael seal. Able to hire back Maya production team post post production team, Michael unscathed amount goes birthday. May nineteenth. We had a press conference that the Schaumburg library and Har hundred thirty fifty Lennox where we now st- that these prominent after Americans had written checks, so we could finish the film. We wanted to what we could finish my bitch way wanted to make it. And the next day. One start the fun film again. My mother's grave true story. True story. So everytime. I anybody's I give. So where I he magic. At a Sam Jackson birthday party. I mean that was a big birthday party. They're buddies. I know I gave I came Matic to Sydney, cookie, lovely wife. I imagine big was those white hugging me send me wrote that check Malcolm X. That was it, you know, so all those prominent Tracy Chapman, Janet Jackson. I mean. They wrote that check in that nasty because I cannot cave in. Couldn't do it. And here's the thing. Malcolm X evolve is a person. A young child. The tweet read. We needed that time. The see the transformations. He was going through in being you can't do this shit in two hours. I was like that do that to be David Lee make a movie like launch Arabia, Dr Vago bridge. None of quiet. Looking Brits requi-? Place, but we needed a time to tell a story. It was not an eagle trip. We. That the form of does though what a great performance, I think caught cinema. Is not gonna be the same thing that films two hours. You need it to our for three hours you need money to do it three hour movies. How much? I mean, you catch Stenzel at the perfect point. I was feel like there has to be a little bit of luck involved when a movie stands test time because I was thinking about that. Godfather, godfather to run any think godfather to better. I think it's I I love godfather more. But I think godfather to better movie at both great. Yes. Both great. But the amount of luck that they had to get Pacino James Caan and Duval, and then catch Brando at the right point paramount one brand, right? So Denzel you catch rate as he's ascending. But he's not Zell yet. We'll start with MO better. Yeah. And then he won and he had glory glory. I knew he was saying let me give you let me give you a quote famous quote branch Rickey. Luck is a residue of design. So have you both your ass? You do have a better chance of the. Faye was a look being bestowed upon you. Right. You ain't doing shit. Yes, you're not gonna get lucky. So I mean, it's the same. What you just say? But. I mean, very I've always remember that that branch would quote, but people know branch freaky signed Jackie Robinson. I too macho royals then with the Brooklyn dots and yesterday was Jackie's one hundred birthday. I remember it was I know, you know, but this audience. Yeah. I guess. And little let's not talk about what they tell that famous story. Jackie rows working out. But a red sil- come on come on. It was seventy years ago. Hey, did they did not change Yawkey way day? Did not change the name. Same thing. We could save from karma standpoint. That might have helped explain why the Red Sox had so much pain and torment over the decades looks 'cause I am a karma guy. Believe in karma. I do wonder if that she can all right God like ugly. And you just do some best apologists com. Whether you want to call it. Hey, when you had when you had Snipes a year before right is in this great runner his career. All these. Ears answer the question who's who is Wesley. Ashley always wanted to be at action hero guy. He wanted to be pasture. Fifty seven. Schwarzenegger stallone. That's we always wanted to be and these films were route than to get that position. But as we wanna do and look as I said before I want people do what you wanna do. Yeah. Be happy. And that's you wanna do. He I want him to play Ryan. He turned that down down freely. I wanna Fishburne play Ryan. Ooh, I wanna Robert deniro the play, Sal. Get out of here. I lied to not US Robert deniro place. Sal wanna do it? But what a great what if that is? Oh, no, no, I disagree. I think that thing which I'm gonna. Touch most of them when you said you talked earlier about then samba appease all these different characters. You think overpowers it is not an samba movie any more. Yeah. It's a is Robert deniro, film NATs. Why? Prince still pretty interesting movie is pretty issue if the deer in. And again act you just like percents. Guy team doesn't want beat a why you have active. We just want to do it. Right. What's back in the day those actors had contractors studios. So you have a choice unless you're super super you had to do. What would it be mayor all other guys said you had to do? What's that class you had late eighties? Do you feel like you were in a class? Oh, yeah. I mean Soderbergh. I sorta Berg I did a podcast with on Monday. And he mentioned how you guys both have movies eighty nine. He was like that was kinda we bonded over a lot of STA mayor. I love Stephen. Here's the thing. People thought that because of. Sex lies, the tapes and do the right thing in can and sex landfill tape one. We call the the pump door. Yeah. My beef was never hit. Yeah. It was been Venice who is the president, Jerry. But me Steve people thought that now we will always good. We were just young filmmakers, independent filmmakers. Cool. And our guy are here with Jeff Jarvis. Yeah. Jim john. What's ahead of me? Then why don't school? So my class. Eighty two is my Grayson Matata for almost of film school Emma, early films Ernest Dickerson. Oh, hang Li all the same clang Lee. Yes, he can speak a word of English angrily earns dick, Spike Lee, all in y you'd rather them school class nine hundred eighty two cheese. Same class who else is in your when you think about you and Soderbergh like those guys coming up late eighties before he had John sales. Yep. Michael Moore with his documentary. I know miss some people. But it was a great time because independent cinema was driving. Yeah. And. Did what point did he become kind of the dean of black filmmakers, we'll point of your career did people while I don't know look get my my. So that position what is it? They know you had early on. I'm here because of pond is like ask me show, then you had later on going to parks Novem people's as Davis. Director gets overlooked. Lots name is Michael Scholtz. He direct allow those major major hit films Richard pry, which prior was. Yeah. Star on Hollywood. So then. Robert towels. I really came out the same time. She's a habit Hollywood shuffle. Yeah. Then singleton with boys food, but he saw you're moving then tell you do what you doing. I was stand outside. I've got that data. Selling t shirts Hannah buttons and this skinny guy with glasses says my name is John singleton. I'm gonna be filming just like you to stores to storm. That was a good, man. We we had this this first time we've never done this before we gotta make I was trying to get you on for years. You get along with anybody who loves basketball. Plus, we have my full had to get to this Boston New York thing. But yeah. So it we had the rough one only connection. Yes. Look my my apologies. No. Look, I mind. What you do? Thank you. You know, you're talking about a lot of these people don't know what the fuck are talking about just talking. I'd one more question because you probably have to go interested in. Twenty fifth hour who I love that phone within get dominated. And when you look at the list of people that that films dominant. It's a disgrace. Did you know as your film that that that was going to be like the first post nine eleven movie 'cause that's become part of the narrow. But here's the biggest reason you want to do it. Yes, I'm a New Yorker. But here's a secret sauce. David Benny off. That was a novel. I know and the novels written pre nine eleven. So is my deal the make this story. I told David David this has be post nine eleven. Novels written before. Dorton have been one to get for minutes. And we both got scripts from our Tusa aids at the same time. Yeah. And now, and then you'd think about the cast it would Norton. The late. Great Phyllis Hoffman's. People. Sleep berry pet both Barry sort of run. He was good in sixty one. Now, he's a sixty one. He's a great athlete. Yeah. Hockey, he he's after because we every movie softball teams. He could play Rosario. Yeah. Brian cox. Tony through Gusa. Yeah. It's I he's a Russian mob. I'll do a piece I'll do that film. Jim Brown all American in that year. The ravens were Super Bowl Ray Lewis. So coachless. Jim wants had spike has crew. So they let us and then I got tight with Tony service. And I said I had come in read, and he got the part. The movie holds up. Oh, yeah. I think it's it's turned into tears one of the most important moves also Terrence Blanche's score. Terrance my long time composer and black clamps first nomination. Barry Brown, long time editor cut do right thing. Malcolm X inside, man. This is first time nominations as Avs young, but his first mum and drives first nominations. So when people saw me jumping up and down the field and went out. Yeah. That was just me Dallas Terrance. And because I know how this might team. And these guys BUSTER ass, and people know me, but I mean, a great musician. So seem Alba Barry. You know, these guys have never. They amass Nick crap. And then that doing it to get nominations, but the same time. Any would being once acknowledged for the work? They do I had go ahead of weird experiencing it 'cause I John David washed on the podcasts next day. It was great. Yeah. And so I went to our Blondeau. No, black clans. Okay. The the night before I go to like an eleven o'clock screening at the grove, and it was me and like ten people including four girls who I think thought it was a comedy which seems to be running with their phone the whole time. No, they were probably, but they're laughing really laughing at some. I'm like, I'm like, I'm positive this isn't a comedy. But it's emanate has funny moments. But what think that humor Delap that comes from the thirty of the premise, Blackman, infiltrates klu Klux Klan, right? But do you think is like nervous laughter? I don't know is. It was weird. Yeah. There is there is I must tell them to leave. You should as it. Can you guys leave? Joins us go, but they are certain things where I knowledge that particularly wide audiences. Don't know what they should laugh. Yeah. We're not there's an uneasiness to it that I thought was fascinating. I almost wish I had seen it in a full theater seem them booze. The white Orden's. If we haven't seen. Foam is going on. And we have the why look into. They'll have laughing. What are you most proud of that movie? Looking back now that Ambu black klansman. It's been it's been out for six months. What does this thing? You're most proud of. I think this is my answer will be the could be the end of the show you great. That's why I asked. Black klansman will be in the right side of history. I like Nassar speckling. I'm glad we finally did it again soon. I'm sorry. The Red Sox the yankee's much as dominant American League team of the century. You had last century. At least look you're the Twitter was great the yank excuse me. Now it's team last year. I can't debate that whole century. I would say listen. Going back last century. We got this century. It's fun. Titles. Give your manager manages amazing. Yes. I poor we manager. They also look we got work to do. What you can do your lever. We're fine. We've an awesome team. We'll get a closer in June. When every game by seven runs, and we'll get closer in June. We're fun her find you worry about your own same. She begin Bryce Harper right now, then a pain in that money. What they build that terrible stadium things awful. Things empty half the time. That's because those. What you talking about sir is corporations taken over sports. They ruined Yankee Stadium that not only one. We kept our integrity testing. Look we kept Fenway kept Wrigley. I love Fenway. I love really feels. But what's the TD garden's this? I mean, it's oh. Now you. In corporate America. I mean, except the playoff games that Senate Bill camera looking at at the plate. There's no by behind home plates to bear saying they have see fillers like the Oscars would seem so much better. Get somebody fifty high school kids bring them in. There Spike Lee. I'm glad we finally did this. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks so much to Spike Lee. Thanks to Joe house. Thanks to ZipRecruiter goods. Go to ZipRecruiter dot com slash B. S? Thanks to Hulu. 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 Hour 2: Bill Simmons

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Hour 2: Bill Simmons

"Tale Avatar wits to Gotcha podcast is presented by capital one. Where you can open a savings account about five minutes and five time national average this is banking reimagined? What's in your Wallet Capital One? NA member FDIC Donlevatar. I have to have a testicular ultrasound. How does this work? What what do I have to do? With whom into the room walks bear of a man. He's been dealing with testicles for damn near three decades. I'm terrified terrify stugatz. I have to get on my back. Throw my legs up in the air. Where's my left hand go? I need to Cup my package. I'm saying to myself as I'm doing this. It can't get worse than this. He looks me straightly. I for the first time we're about to get started. And he says I am such a big fan of your TV in radio shows. That's the time you choose to tell me that. But you're laughing I am laughing. I'm also mystified vulnerable. I'm still scared. It sounds like he had a ball. BCC Donlevatar show with his two guys on ESPN radio. ESPN radio presented by Progressive Insurance celebrating. Seven years and over seven hundred cars donated vets learn more at keys to progress dot com guests on the Dan. Le Batard show appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance line and now your sportscenter update date in College Basketball Call Anthony said ACC record for points scored by a freshman in his debut with thirty four points. He also had eleven rebounds. As the tar heels beat Notre Dame Anthony scored as many points. Syracuse did last night as the orange. Lost defending champion. Virginia forty eight thirty four. Those thirty four points at the lowest point total under Jim Jim Boeheim and the lowest for the program and nearly seventy four years and finally Joe Pesci has announced his first album in twenty one. Years is coming out out later this month the satisfying crunch of the Nature Valley. crunchy bars can keep your family going. Which means more outside fun for you and with whole grain oats and real delicious honey? It's really tasty to nature valley oats and honey crunchy bars fraud latest headlines and information tune into sports. ESPN radio all throughout the day. All right Israel Gutierrez D. N. A.. Deanna Diana Rossini Deanna. CAIN was a a girlfriend of mine in high school. Where I was going? We're WE'RE GONNA million tax from when Orlando the Canes Name Diana Receding in Studio with us our. Thanks for joining US earlier. Bill Simmons GonNa Join US right now. The the Bill Simmons podcast The Ringer of course and friend of the show. He has been peppering me with taxes levied Dard as left for his honeymoon. Bill CanNot Fathom my dad would take off for six weeks and the busiest time of the sports calendar. Go ahead. It's six weeks. Yeah it's five. It is felt like six months. I mean your show is falling apart. You can't even protect your terrible. Here's my new theory. All right conspiracy theory type so the China thing happens. Dan Mysteriously goes on vacation. I I think he's pantages keeping him away until this China thing settles down now. That's that's really kit spiracy theory where you invited. They hold on just hit pause for second were you. Were you invited to the secret wedding as they quickly move away from what you were discussing. And what's the secret wedding. I don't explain that to me as we're talking. There's two different weddings. which which weekend are you coming down this weekend or next weekend or not at all? I wasn't invited to either if there might wedding. Is there a third one on the west coast. Take more time off I. Yes yes. That's exactly the plan. A wedding tour. What happened could somehow get married bill? What happened was is Dan? Patrick said he was coming into town This week and so everybody just wondered if he either got the date wrong or if there was another secret more private Actual Friends of Lebanon Hardwood. I mean that would be really both. I don't even know if Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston did that theory brings the wedding to you. It's it's like when those podcasts. Go on tour and they go to the different cities. So they'll just be like can just getting married in different places connecting with people I I I just don't understand. There's so much going on right now. This is this is this is like the easiest time to do a show like the one you do every day right yeah no time. It's February and August August but those are really the Times that Dan loves the boast. Yes because that's when our show shines when there's nothing to talk about the ten day all star breaking in February in the pro bowl you'll send it and all they you didn't get an actual formal invite though I need to sort out my thoughts thoughts on that actually think about that for a little bit. I wanna how many people were invited. I'd like to see who else was invited. And and then I would like to sort out my own my own feelings than that. Dan Have Weird relationship that we don't we could go like a year without talking and then when we see each other it's like I right like we just saw each other week ago which I think is the type of relationship. He has with a bunch of people bodies. That's that's everyone's relationship right so even people that work with him every day feel that way absolutely like the statement right there laboratory and I have a really unique relationship is the same for everybody but I I bill I feel like he invited you because I know he loves you. Okay and I'm certain he invited you still there said he did it in you know but I have a theory here with Simmons okay. Recently Bill now is a long flight. La Okay to Miami. Ed Simmons I maybe got the invitation but never opened it. It's just he's trying to avoid it either. There's an invitation. They should somewhere in your house. Bill that you've never opened. That's my theory. I like that. He is created air of mystery around himself now with his own show that his name is in where people are talking about him. He showed up eating a piece of chicken. The other day and the shipping container and then disappeared when Ricky Williams disappeared and it was like camping in the mountains and they wrote that. Espn the magazine and he. Nobody could figure out what was going on that is. This is the first time sports media personality. I it created that five. It's like and the fact that there's a common thread between both instances being that is true ability and the heater back. I thought I thought he would have been racing back to come to the airwaves. The heater actually fun to watch again. He'll be he'll be back on Monday. The heat are fun to watch. Your Celtics are fun into watch. Five in one star Bill. Yeah they. They're actually good. I gotta say I I think there's that the slashing kickoff offensive game is back Jack. It feels more like Brad Stevens team. They're still guys short but they have some changes to make but I I really liked the east. I think that I think Toronto Miami in Boston are all legitimate. You know not title contenders but at least contenders to make the playoffs. Lot more interesting. I I went in Milwaukee last night. That they played the clippers and Jaanus to four threes And it Kinda set the era out of the building. 'cause he's so unfair to watch in person persons where you're just like mad and thank God. He can't hit threes because he can do everything out and then he's just hitting wide open. Threes started thinking like man. This is this is going to be really really scary. If he can hit forty percent of these little Shimmy on one of them to bill. I'm actually super excited about this. I've never actually talked basketball with you but I wanted to ask you just your thoughts on like the whole breakdown of Jason Tatum. Will he ever be what we want him to be. Because he's very confusing to me. Well he's he's made huge strides this year. 'cause he's actually driving to the basket again. I I think now. It's just wraps. Because last year he just found in this habit of shooting 20-footers and three three-pointers and wasn't going to the basket and now the whole team is doing the slashing kick thing and they're all trying to the basket which is what was so frustrating about last year so he's so young I think defensively he doesn't get credit for being such a good two way player and I think I'm still I'm still a big a believer in in both famous Jaylen Brown. Actually I think both of those guys are really good. I'm a little bit of a body language Professor here with this one but I mean he just doesn't feel like with his ability the guy who can take over seemingly when he wants to doesn't seem to do that enough doesn't seem to want to do that enough. Am I completely wrong because you watch it more. Yeah I just think he's. Yeah a young he hit a big buzzer beater. A few days ago that I think You know it's like little baby steps and stuff like that. He had such a such a breakthrough in the two thousand eighteen eighteen playoffs. And then you know last year was so dysfunctional in so many ways and the whole team took a step back so now I think you know the biggest thing is hayward word is back. I mean he is where he was in Utah three years ago and it took a while and I think we all kinda underestimated how devastating that injury was just from the standpoint of changing how he played 'cause he was such a physical bang off. People athletic you know he's not like a just like outside shooter. This is a guy who love going to the basket and he was doing that last year so I think they're. They're not GonNa win the title unless they make a trade but I think they're good. I think there are fifty one team Belsen is with US already. ESPN radio check out the bill. Simmons PODCAST RINGER DOT COM. There's a new podcast out with bill. That will get you a just a second building. I missed the memo. was everyone saying Lebron was finished. What is he doing well all right so we thought when both went him dear healthy together? The team was going to be really good right so the mentality that the question is. How can this last for eight months? Can these two guys stand the court together and I you know. I talked to me in February with this but I will say that Dallas game was incredible on Friday. I mean that was one of the best regular season games that I think is really cool. Point right now reminds me of early nineties like in the ninety two ninety three range where you had all these you have all these stars that have now been late for awhile and now you have this new. The crap of dudes glucose is a superstar. You know he's not even a a a star like guys one of the best players in the League already and he's twenty twenty. What is he twenty one yet? I can remember But he went toe to toe with Lebron that game like like in a real way where they're going back and forth and I I think this season this is my favorite season in a while. I can't get enough of the rest debate. The COLLI Leonard. Is he doing the right thing. Is this bad for for the game. Someone like you. Who obviously you cover it and you have a journalist but you are such a fan of the game so how do you you? We could feel last night right like a lot of people didn't know here's plan go to the game. There's an early start. People thought the game was starting at seven thirty and couloir was playing and then everybody Kinda belatedly realized it was seven o'clock and then co is not there. It's a bummer. 'cause you know so many people were there to see Hawaii honest and in the unless you saw it on twitter you heard on the radio or something people thought I was going to be there and you know I. This is a long game where eventually we're going to end up with seventy game schedule or seventy two whatever whatever they land but now we're in this no man's land where it probably made sense for him not to play it's November. They're playing Portland tonight. Portland's a conference game I get it but it's just a bummer. When you're there because you had people especially with the secondary market where they see honest is coming to town they get all excited about Yoenis versus Qui- you know you you maybe you pay? Hey forty percent above above face value for tickets or something and then the day before. They're like Oh yeah why's not playing. Hey it's it's not good. I don't know what the fixes though the thing is. We can talk about it for seven weeks in a row unless you're laboratory you just take seven weeks up but you but you there's no answer we're just GonNa go in circles the dog chasing its tail. They're never going to be able to fix this until they shortened schedule here in a second I have a theory area. I want to be the first one to say it. Okay Cam Newton to the Patriots next year about that. Let's talk to you about I. Listen Adult Brady leaves leaves and Jack Major Trade for Cam Newton and the Patriots have another ten year round. It is at a first bill. I love that you monitor Tom. Brady's real estate and then decide that that means he's not going to be at the team next year just because he moved because he's moving it's all do needs he just needs a change of location images L. looking at different house and he immediately thinks he's GonNa be playing for the charter by the way Brady stays. They still get Cam Newton. They make tight end to this. podcast Catholic a week and a half ago and he said with a straight face. Could you see Brady and Tennessee next to you. No I actually don't see him to play twenty years for the Patriots Tennessee. Titans that's not happening. Tom Brady next head coach at the University of Michigan. That was good. I think you have to you have to craft a little bit. I liked that one. Timing's right that's a good one I will work on it You're ready second book of basketball. No I didn't write it the podcast but I did spend a Lotta time working on it that we drop the first four This week and I'm really proud of it. I think it's the best thing I've done in a while. Actually so a lot of good stuff coming up. Maybe you'll be on one today. I would I would like to We could talk about the last great knicks moment in nineteen ninety nine thousand so I go to help the bill centers jest render. Check it out a book a basketball point. Check that out as well bill. We appreciate the time. There's always that you're ready Stugatz here. This is supposed to be an ad for advance auto parts. But they're not selling anything they are offering to test your car battery for free which is good because winters on the way car. 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Our thanks to Bill Simmons for joining US earlier. Thanks to me. As well Diana Rossini Israel Erez it studio with us New Episode of Stupidity Comes out today and I had the directors go directors of class action park on a place place. You were very familiar with its action park but we call the class action part. You and I've told stories you got mono at Action Park. I told stories of just two a half hour. Drive going to ask apart from Long Island out to Jersey. You would tell your parents to. You're going to six flags great adventure because you wouldn't dare tell them you're going to Action Park Right. Oh Oh yeah because every parent knew what was going on there. I mean there was just blood on the slides. Their animals with rabies just like hanging out in the wave pool. But you know when you're a kid you don't care because you just you just want to go to the waterpark for the day Obviously if I knew back then that I was GONNA wind up with motto and and probably some other issues diseases. I probably would have gone but you know. Obviously the fact that they did this documentary on this just goes to tell these are just the tales of you and I that we've shared Acura Magin the thousands of people. Oh who were affected by that disgusting place. So Chris Paul Scott at Steph porches and he calls himself Gorgeous Porzingis they have the same reaction by a gorgeous gorgeous. They Co directed a documentary about Action Park. And it's coming out and it's coming out the next year and so I had him on the podcast and I just started asking them about each individual ride at Action Park and to give me the best story they had from them putting putting together this movie and I wanNA play for you because it was an important place for you as you were growing up. I mean people love this place they really did. I have friends ends. Who still have scars from their days at actually part and they wear badges? I mean they're constantly showing him off. But here's one of the directors talking about One of the rides is called the looping water slides looping water slide. Go ahead but first couple kids. They threw them as we'll be waterslide I. They didn't have to impacting that they'd come out with busted. Up Malcolm Cacique chief bleeding out of their mouth. So the opening up a slide the added more padding and then some more kid down. Their mouths are fine. But these kids have lacerations all over their bodies and nobody nobody knows why do they opened up the slide and they found that teeth from the first group had gone embedded in padding ripping into going on this flight. The flight was like a monster monster. Literally eating them alive with Keith. This static is that you slide grew teeth You're more you got motto. It actually bar using your your mortified. Because I don't know how I got. Some part of the water got into my belongs in probably gave it to me but to think that maybe I got it. Because teeth clawed into my arm it sounds like you got off easy win here. Yeah all right. Here's here's a story about the tanks light tank Ri- go ahead Chris. One day a security guard gets a call that come down to the paint. Sap He's like what's what's going on with on a panel would have happened that a drunk patron had found a gas. Can that fueled the battle battle tanks. They were like a motorized paint type of Rod. That you get into it you put down a great above your head and you'd rather than like go-carts tennis balls at the other takes if you hit a target on the other tank in a spin. That person's take around. This Patriot had done under the influence of alcohol. I have found the gas take doused his tennis balls in fire lit them on fire and shooting Bari. 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We've you've lost our chief fantasy football expert and she took Allison's fan cps with her but we still have the imaging. It's not her property. We we have an expert or at least one that plays one on TV Diana route. So why does it Diane. Rossini have a fantasy football fiesta. It sounds sounds great. But I tell me what I'm stepping into here was alison ditch. She was amazing time offending fantasy football champions shoes to fill. Yes she She answered a lot of people's question with another question right. It's settled everything non essential. Oh that's great so you gotta get some some of the essential fantasy stuff down which we can help you out with or familiar with. PB or non. I understand fantasy football. Okay good but yeah anything I can do to help you guys that you're lineups this weekend. I'll help you out okay. Great so we're GONNA do that coming up in just a little bit Mike. We are not making fun of Baker. Mayfield here we are or not. You have a credible. NFL reporter here. Okay who has information on Baker Mayfield. It's not me it's not Israel's not callers. It's not the shipping tatum. We're not making fun of Baker Real Information. I think you might be interested. It is this good. Is this positive. Well my so sportscenter. It keeps airing the broncos game. Yeah right so I'm also curious like why Mitchell trubisky turning off televisions at criticizing the barest when it seems as though this network does does criticize the wish. I wish there were television. The Mu talking about the bears. Do I think there were a lot of issues in that game. I think we've seen a bunch of different problems. They've had collectively GIS coming together. Getting in sync Freddie kitchen seems to be struggling a bit but to me. I think the tell of their season season was at the end of the game. There was three minutes left. Defense was out on the field. They're down five points. I think you actually like this tweet when I put this out there. The other day and the camera pans to the sideline and Baker is on one side of the Field Odell on the bench. The rest of the offense is. I don't know where they are. They have a shot to get the ball. Back coaches would kill for this opportunity to have his offense together to go all right. What are gotta gotTa have a place? What are we GONNA do on third down? What are we? How are we going to win this game? But the fact that around even talking because they're just mad and frustrated with each other that tells you you where they're at. I was really happy. You pointed that out because I was my main takeaway while the cameras were focusing on a Odell Beckham junior and making a big thing out of Baker should he or shouldn't have thrown the ball on fourth down Odell Beckham. My main concern was guys. You have an opportunity to get the ball back. WHO's organizing this offense? Is this a problem with the head coach calling the plays. What are we doing here? What's the plan? How do you not take advantage of that time together on the silent to come up with all right? Let's forget that play and come together here and try to figure out a way to anybody who's been on a bad team like any sort of sports team. That's like that where you know that. Feeling like it's just your scattered. You're not really together. You know I know the situation you know you might go back out there. But it's like if we we don't it's not in our instinct to get together huddle up and plan for it. We're just we're just getting into the frustration Asian because we're mad at each other and we're not thinking of what's the best thing to do next you lose all track of of game plan and you lose all that stuff because you're on a bad team and everybody is upset at each other and then Baker after the game goes shaves his handlebar moustache. I Take I seen his corner on Mike absolutely lutely you should have shaved that because it looks stupid but also your he's right. You need to earn a certain look. Go stick your neck out there and look at me. Think about that like I started thinking of looks that have to be earned right because you can't just show up at work. Well you can't really show up at work on the Handlebar Moustache one day because obviously you need to grow it but like you can't just show up at work one day with a hawk if you've never actually had one or if you don't have the personality type where somebody's going to be like okay. That guy could show up with bazemore. It did it. Wasn't that like tops. I'm sorry that's an earned. Look like you can't just not have any shoulders whatsoever. Confirmed wearing tank tops. Thank you I didn't. I wore more clothes in the past because I didn't want to show anything. Boots boots is another thing. You can't just like Mike. You show up to work on Tuesday wearing cowboy boots. Like everybody's GonNa look at you like are we not GonNa make fun of that. Because it'd be doc you have to earn that. What about in like tropical location? Can Anyone rocket tank top there any location. Yeh they like honestly. This isn't a complexion. Whip it out on vacation and you don't want the tank top okay. Good I think for women I was saying to izzy before that I couldn't just show up on Sunday. NFL countdown with mega short hair. No nobody sure those big hats. Yes you're let's do your thing like are you there yet. No not there Eh. Nope nope absolutely like Craig. Sager earned that right. Oh for sure for sure more so than anybody in climbed his way. He didn't come right right off the bat with with you know crazy you know paranoia. We waited into the. What exactly so you need weight into the waters? I think we have Diana needing thing either. A tiny hat that gets bigger. Those gloves Roberts show one on pretty woman which is about to put her hand in in in a jewelry box and I absolutely hate that team with a little beret and just get bigger figured how to turn out to look as big as what. How big do you want it to get Kentucky Derby? Yes see tiny hats though like you wanted to ease into all right. That's that's the worst thing principally just. It's just a joke between us right week to week. There's the what seven weeks left in the season Each week the hat on your headache gets progressively larger. When you wear the tiny went to the side you have to make like men on film reference for me or something a minute this? This new weren't you just wearing like a sequins like pink Cheetah Jacket I was I was really tapping into my snooky. I wanted to just change it up. I've been wearing very professional blazers. My my look this year. Was I wanNA go with safe. I want my content to be the most important thing that viewers are listening. No no no no no the content. I rarely distracted by what. You're that occasionally talk the future. All right I'M GONNA I'M GONNA to try it this weekend in Pittsburgh you're at a turn it on and were to start small so it's going to be just a little tiny gap right on my bun. Our really really well. That's your sign that sign off the gap. I think the other earned look art for men is earrings. Thanks I worked with a with a news anchor in Washington. DC and he was Probably the most popular person in Washington and he was known for his urine. That's a great one because to me like it's almost you have to earn it to wear them past a certain age he was seventy. I cough my earring. Where twenty nine seventy is is absolutely ridiculous? Yes too much. Nobody cared because he was like you. Don't tell Jim Vance what to do that. That was put it on the poll. Yeah is there. He passed away two summers ago but It's all right. It's not too soon thank you thank you never. You don't watch how many people will say no to that. Because he was famous on Youtube. Do remember the the news anchor who laughed at the model of the runway model walking walking and fought and she fell on her heel and he couldn't get through it when he was talking about the video. It's pretty serious and youtube. Check it out. Jim Vance runway google. Now it's it's worth a watch at work. Prescription products required online physician consultation. Only available if the physician determines prescriptions appropriate website for full details. And see the information one of the scariest things that can happen to a guy is that first morning you wake up you look in the mirror and and you start to realize you're going thin up. Top to out of every three guys are going to start losing their hair by the age of thirty five thirty five. You're still young dude at that point. You'RE GONNA start losing your hair then think about it a year from now. It's all gone in. Everybody used to think as soon as you start losing your hair. That's it. It's genetics. 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That's go welcome Diana Awesome. Thank you Dermot. MULRONEY IS GONNA join us at twelve. ooh doing today Zadie. He was the best friend and my best friend. He was an movie wedding dates on lifetime. Movies he must he was. He's in the righteous gemstones. It was a great story. This woman hired him as a prostitute so to speak to be her date for her wedding because she wanted to get back at her ex at the wedding. Oh Oh escort is the word Yeah and it was kind of cool to see the roles reverse you. Don't you're a lot of women. Hiring prostitutes in our male prostitute frosty John Wadham fantasy football fee. Yes hey what's up man. Sore Jalen Smith Jarvis Landry or Golden. Take into what P P R or non pr the PR. Oh definitely golden. Take going against that. Year gets defense. So golden tate. It is semi tweet went. I'm right on Sunday All right tuna fancy puffy. Yes so With Tom Brady out this week. Paid Isam Hill is Swiss army knife for the New Orleans Saints. He can throw a touchdown he can pass a touchdown I've even seen them return punt. Is he worth the risk. PBR APR NON PR. Absolutely stay with Jason Hill. Here's why Sean Payton can't assist without him. He's obsessed with him. He will put him in his off until put them in any drive just to have him on the field. So you're never gonNA lose with Isam Hill in the field especially because he does so much coach. Who knows maybe this weekend against the Falcons seem under center and thorough forty fifty yard bomb to Michael Thomas? So you've got the right mindset of the whole Swiss army night but having that added extra information I just gave you about Sean. Payton's obsession with him. You're in good shape your Bryant. Brian I do it would you rather have. Would you rather take that back. Press shot or Org drew brees for Sunday's game if you are a non PR PR actually know the difference between both of those defending whatever all ten thousand this is your thing now to change your Aldo. I Bristol to race. I'm always going to say go with. You're only because first. Of all the the Falcons we know how bad that says right now and not even sure if coach is GonNa last this year so I'm GonNa go with the reason that situation Zach welcome to the fantasy football. Yes even vice just so you know. I'm not playing with. I just really want you guys to win. You're saying that Allison didn't care real advice. I mean you went to interceding trashing the whole segment Arielle Zach. Welcome Taste Hey Donna. Aj Green or forty niners minus six and a half hosting the SEAHAWKS PBR NON PR. Why are those two Yard Classic O. P. P. R. Classic Wow? I didn't realize that you guys were so sophisticated. Where are you from? He's gone they just let me know I would say get in a different league because I don't even think you can do those things but go forty niners. You've all right Anthony. Welcome to the fantasy football. 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NBA All-Stars, Round 2 Upsets, and 'The Sopranos' 20 Years Later, With Joe House and Alan Sepinwall | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 467)

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NBA All-Stars, Round 2 Upsets, and 'The Sopranos' 20 Years Later, With Joe House and Alan Sepinwall | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 467)

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I missed you last week your vacation, look, that's your prerogative you go yet. Spend time with your family. I needed to some picks off with you. I used ryen russillo I felt like his last name ended in vowel. So it'd be in good shape. There violated some rules from the playoff manifesto, and I feel really bad about it. I took an unproven rookie QB. That was not great. And I just did not realize the nobody believes in us power of the eagles. Once once a Chicago decided to play them over Minnesota. I missed that. I'm slipping slipping house. It's like it's like the godfather ten years ago. Salat's never could gotten to me ten years ago. Eagles never could gotten to me. I would have seen a common. I will say I appreciate you giving me the extra week to sober up. Because last time I was on this podcast. I was something other than sober. And I would have if it's any solace. Only try to talk you out of one of those two mistakes. I would have argued both Sifford sleep for the eagles covering. There was points felt like to me. I I made the same mistake with Lamar Jackson though, you know, I really felt strongly that the eagles weren't going to be able to score. And I was wrong. I think what what would I would. I just wasn't great about was the bears weren't gonna score. Either Trubisky was bad for three quarters and took them too long get going we are going to we're gonna talk about all that by the way. Just so, you know, people love drunk house drunk houses on a month ago. Yeah, we talked about my MBA trade, Viacom, you were coming from holiday party at a couple in you. I got emails Entex from people who really were dead seriously saying that you should have a couple. Before every podcast sit. Apparently. Now, you're Dean Martin. That can be a range. Just give me a couple of hours at a heads up. I'm on it. So before we get to football picks. And we're gonna talk sopranos a little bit later down set on 'em happened at talked about that with you at the tail end of this. If you want I have my MBA all star ballot, which the media, I don't remember the did it that way that year but last year, but this year, they sent it to me just for the starters. What are my votes? And I wanted to throw at you what? My vote's are gonna be and see if you wanted to talk me at anything 'cause it still has a good. I think it's due in a couple days. So or maybe it's doing ten days. I don't know. But I thought we'd at least get a going. So the Eastern Conference you picked two guards and you pick three forwards three frontcourt guys, basically. So for for the east. I was thinking for the guards Kyrie Irving Kemba Walker where the two that jumped out at me as Kyrie's had his most efficient. As in the Celtics are really starting to play while now Kemba has been kind of a one man show. Even though Charlotte's of five hundred team, I think they would be a bottom four team. If he wasn't there is there any other east guard that I should be considering just off the top of your head all the only guy that I would wanna look at his stats and think about a little bit longer all depot, but he's missed so many games. I feel like I can cut a dismiss out of hand. Yes. So Ola depot normally would have that spot. He missed some games. I don't think he's one hundred percent healthy on that one hundred percent. Sure, they're using them correctly. It just having watched him a few times. I I wish his usage rate would go up. I wish his used Drake in. Kyrie's USA draped was both a little bit higher. Maybe. Now, the Celtics have figured out. I don't know. I watched watching that the Celts played their best game of the year last night against Indiana. And it was I called my dad at halftime. I'll like are you watching this? And he's like, yeah, we the great. And we were like, what do you think? The difference is and it's almost like everybody's body. Now. Nobody's going to be totally happy there minutes when you're in there. Just try your ass off. And now it's that starting to happen. So anyway, they played Indiana last night. And it was clearly a situation where Indiana needed to take their best guy. And basically be like, yeah, you got to save us. Po Jay can you pull James harden or something close, and they just aren't thinking about him that way. But what what I notice with them as it seems over and over again lading games as when they're going to ask him to do that. I think they should get him going earlier personally. But I think we're we're right at the juncture were we might start seeing that I agree with you that oldie was not all the way healthy and on the not the observation you made about the Celtics were exactly at the right moment for the chemistry experiment to be over. We kind of are finally having the results of that experiment. We are literally. Halfway through the season. Like right now. Yes. So it makes perfect sense that the rotation is is has rounded into form. The guys know what their roles are going to be. It makes perfect sense that it took forty one games to figure it out for the Pacers. The right thing to do in view of all depots injury is to kind of save that end of game. I don't wanna use the word clutch because I know that he's into it. Yeah. You say the bullet for late. I get it. Yeah. They need him to get going because defensively I think they made a lead. They they were terrible last night. But just in general their defenses come on Turner's played a lot better since we left them out of the trade. Viacom he is. He's he took note. He did. I think he read it. I think he got pissed up. But the bottom line is all depot stats just aren't as good as they were last year. He's averaging three points a game less. His office shooting percentages are down and the eye test. Ee doesn't seem like his hundred percent yet. So I don't feel bad about the Kemba Walker thing. Those are my two those are my two guards for for the front court. This was easier to me. Jaanus and coli is Louie. Yes. Shaking my head. Yes. Easy. And then Embiid, I'm done. The do. I even think this. I would. Who was would even crack that? I'm trying to think about one of these eastern teams on the come up that you want to give a little honorable mention months to there was some fun overage more Landau, right? Yeah. There's some fun Busa veg-. I like twenty five games. But now they're now they're cratering. So that's not gonna work. There's been an amazing John Collins run, which we actually wrote about on the ringers. He's been like a twenty two and twelve guy now for like a month and a half, which I why are the Huck trying to win games, by the way. I don't think they can help it. It's funny 'cause I don't think they wanna win games. I just think you know, they have young guys and funny thing trae young really has been up and down and the downs of Ben craters. But but I think they just have some good players and their team. It's the pride of the win it podcast. Yeah. But I'm I'm so worried about that podcast because that's my favorite podcast right now or one of them and bays Moore's all these trade. Rumors like that. He might be available like silver might have to step in. And just be like, look, we you're not allowed to trade Kemp as mortal after the year, this podcast has been to entertain ING. I we need them in Washington. I don't really see anybody else who has a case for front court spot in the east unless you want to say Dwight Howard for not playing. Can't say Dwight Howard anymore. It's just there's just too loaded. You're wizards team. Is there some Ewing theory going on a little bit here, the Satter John wall? No, John wall. Beal taking ownership now. Nothing. Let me ask you this yet. It was put to me today a conversation in the gym where all the great conversations occur yet. Would you straight up? Let me put it to you and Bill fashion who says no Wiggins Andrew Wiggins for John wall. I would do that. If I was washed in five seconds. I would not do that as Minnesota me too. I would do that in five seconds. But here's the case for Minnesota towns. The best towns what's going to be the best town. When are we gonna see the best version of towns, they they've they've been sort of dabbling around with a point guard. You know, they've they've tried to bring quality point play in the Minnesota. They hit a miracle home run with Derrick rose, but d- rose is is mainly still the best version of de rose as a score not distributor. Don't you? Get the best out of your towns investment has point guard that can set them up has. I'm trying I'm trying come on. Can you send me a list of your ten closest friends because I want to prize you at an undisclosed location a month from now explain to you in an intervention style that the wizards have no chance traded John wall? It is an impossibility. Can we get Mexico to pay for that wall? I see they give a better chance of trade and Dwight our John wall is I would say they most untradable contract in the entire league. Play this game. White Howard now now okay question. I'll ask without crossing any lines. Yeah. How what's the over under a number of NBA games that Dwight Howard will play in in for the rest of his life. Oh, wow. So if I said forty nine point five would you go over under? I I personally I'm gonna go way way way way under because it's my theory that he's not gonna play another NBA basketball game for the rest of his life. I wouldn't be surprised. He he's he is a lot of miles on him already. He's Adelaida injuries. And at some point, you know, the question for him as whether he wants to go through what shack went through the last two years in Cleveland and boss. Yes. When he was just big fat show of himself shack. And then check had like this moment on the Celtics for like a month when everybody was going. Oh, wow. Shack who then he got her. It's just too hard for big understand the for. Hey, there's one there's one front court guy. We should mention who is ineligible for front court. But at least would have been fun for the discussion was Ben Simmons who I don't think is should be an all-star starter. But the league was was a little more finite about the positions this time. And it's like if you've haute for seven. It has to be for a guard. So I don't know if you feel like Ben Simmons over cameras a conversation, we need to have. I personally think no. Now, and I have recency bias. I watched him commit seven turnovers in the first half last night against the Washington. Wizards he was really bad, and there there, can you? I have you know, how old school? I am. I you cannot put a guy who's afraid to shoot the basketball at you. Can't name him NBA starter. Just just a tough one for me. It's funny now 'cause the Sixers fans they really good. We ran a piece this week from Ben Dietrich diehard six fan, really, really pro Simmons. I enjoyed it. But they they really they it's now to the point where the spotlight has been on this team now for two years in a really significant way. And when you watch them there's nights like last night when they just seem unhappy, you know, now they're coming off a four game win streak where they seemed happy last night. It was that last night was a schedule loss last night felt like this. But. Right. You're talking about give these three stars that just. On paper fit. But when you the eye test, I don't see it yet. Now, they have more time to figure it out. But at some point the offense is the run through one of the three you can't do the year. Turn my turn his turn thing. And that's what they need to figure out more than anything a muscle, not positive. I am still not positive Simmons. And Embiid should be in the same team. And I mean that from the sense like what I talked about Zach this week about how much fun as Simmons for Davis trade would be where is I just kinda want Simmons to have his own team where it doesn't have to worry about a center that he has to get involved. And he's just pushing the ball every single time with with wings and guys who can jump and I just wanna see him in that situation with. Here's the thing though, in this interational of the NBA, you don't get that. Right. You don't get to be the guy on team if you won't shoot the basketball. You can't know franchise can do that yet. But it could he be Jason Kidd late nineties early two thousands where he's not shooting that much but everything runs through him. I think he could he be has to start shooting. He has to shoot. I is it true. I thought I saw a stat that he's taken zero three pointers this season. Yes, I disagree on this. I don't know if he has to shoot I think he needs to create whether that whether that actually means he has to shoot for twenty five feet. I don't know. But like dream on hasn't been able to shoot for two years, but he's still be able to create opportunities for other teammates Simmons's much better than Draymond offensively. I don't know about. I mean, Draymond on feels eminently tradeable you and I cover this a little bit. Maybe definitely now. But the thing I I would agree with you in terms that creator role maybe seven years ago, the the way the NBA existed then. Yeah, you have to have if you have the ball you have to be able to score it at the ball's in your hands. You have to be able to score it. Yeah. I don't know. I I hate overreacting to what's happening recently. I still feel like there's a place in the world fern offense to run around a guy who is great on the fast break has been Simmons's, and who is such a good half court passer, and who posts up, and that's the thing with with the Embiid part of this is. I I would really just like to see them run stuff through him on the low post way more often than from what I've seen. I haven't watched as many Sixers quarters as Ben Dietrich. But that's always my lasting when I leave Sixers game. That was what I was scared of in the playoff series last year, Boston. I just never wanted them the post of Ben Simmons because I felt like as soon as they did that the Celtics you could tell how scared they were that they all of a sudden defenders were flying around trying to figure out what to do sending a double atom and. That's what I'm afraid of. So anyway, I he's only twenty two he's a worker progress. The. Yeah, that's that you just put it so beautifully for the purposes of the all-star starter. Ballot bright. So Ben Simmons is not going to be the all-star starter from the east at the guard position. But we have half of the regular season to go and to my way of thinking the more interesting half and the playoffs. And so all of that is a Brin new tob Bula Rasa opportunity blank slate to go do some of these things and we've seen this many times teams identity can take off. Yes out of the second half of the season. And so maybe that's what's in front of us. And I hope so we saw last season with them. And that that's I think with with them and and Utah last year. That's why I'm I'm I'm leaning more. I see both sides of the Simmons debate. And as I think, it's it's January and people in the internet just need stuff target every day. I see both sides. I am person is a basketball fan a little disappointed. Just because of what he showed during the last thirty plus games of the regular season last year and in the end in the first round. And then I thought he lost momentum. The Celtics did something in that in that round two. And I don't I don't feel like he's fully recovered. I thought he was like a dark horse MVP candidate this season. And we just haven't seen that guy yet. So maybe we'll say, I don't know. All right in the west gets a little tougher guards. Aren't that hard? I've I have for the two guards I have curry. And I've James harden. I don't know if you've heard of him he's been playing. Well, I'm familiar with the work of both of those gentlemen. It doesn't feel like any other name should enter the conversation. So just other names Dame Lillard kyri. I'm sorry. A DR in FOX. Mike conley? Last momentum Jrue holiday not good enough. Marta Rosen little momentum lately, but not all-star starter momentum. Devon booker. The teams is not successful enough. Russell Westbrook averaging triple double house. I don't know if you knew that. Oh, it's still the guy is averaging triple double house. Every game. He's getting a triple double. If you have it out. Yeah. I still I went on clothes podcasters today. I actually like oh, Casey. Because Russ doesn't seem like he's a little bit washed or on the other side of his granting. He's not making shots. But athletically from an energy standpoint, he seems the same a g he may just be a horrible slump or something. But if he can snap out of it a little the team around him, really good. I like that too. Good. Yeah. I like that they have an I a defensive identity that I did not intimate. I think we still pick the over for them. But yeah, that's gonna win winter. They can get locked down. So. Curry heart. And I think that's a no brainer. Both both guys Curry's having a borderline career his he was still better three years ago. But all his numbers are pretty close. The team successes in Ben is getting hardens having honestly one of the great offensive runs in the history of the league. And as chance to. Fought break the break the've vaunted thirty five point game. It's in play us. Just incredible. I love it. I can't get enough. I did some research on. The thirty three point club has was going to put us in trade Viacom this month. But I'll step on air. Whatever. Only ten guys have ever scored thirty three points game in a season. It's only happened nineteen times. Total will Chamberlain seven times. Jordan three times Elgin Baylor to time. Rick Barry early. Kobe Bryant famous Kobe Carina. Bob macadear. Oh, I would the two I would have gotten a macadear berry tiny Archibald. You wouldn't get these Alan Everson. Did it once that that like if with enough time, I might have got a Charlie Scott in the ABA? You're right. I wouldn't have got that got now on my point is very hard to do. I and I love like the thirty points game thirty three points a game thirty five points a game. If you're going thirty three points a game. You have like one twelve point game. Or you know, you go six for eighteen one game. You just suck. It it makes it then you have to almost average thirty four points again to pull that one up for the next couple of weeks. Right. It's just really hard to do that night after night after night. And now he's at the point where shocking if he doesn't get thirty five like last night forty two enough night. It's thirteen for thirty. That team is the way they're built around him. And how brilliant is now it really seems like he might get to thirty five. He's at thirty three point something now is in the middle. I think he can get there. I think he can have you'd have to ridge like thirty six thirty seven the rest of the way. But I think he could do it. What do you think us? I think this is the most admirable stretch of his entire NBA career me too. And the reason that I say that I get the hyperbole. And I know recently bias all reasons why that might sound ridiculous. But to me what is admirable about. It is. Is the taking the team on his shoulders. We were disappointed was a two years ago. Three as multiple years the clippers game game six he came out. Yeah. Well, I individual games. We've had you know, debts disappointments in his postseason performance will always be a question until he he personally makes it not be a question any longer but just in terms of a regular season. He had a car dash, Ian dalliance he showed up a little out of shape and Houston kind of woefully under performed. And I I can't remember it was Dwight Howard year. I don't remember as recent memory. Yeah. This team this this version of the rockets is in a kind of disarray because the personnel impact of losing a Reza and mob Metais. And then having you know, the completely washed mellow along for the ride that was very impactful. Then Chris just getting hurt right away. All that stuff. Yeah. Exactly. And and really the only solution for Houston. The only one that was staring them in the face was James harden. Playing out of his ING mind. And lo and behold, we have that. That's that's cool. I would say I agree. I made the point on Zack's spot yesterday with cool is that his teammates? I've completely bought in. This does not feel like two thousand six Kobe where they feel like the hired help these guys. No, not at all. I mean, really enjoying the best version of Capella. Yeah. It really does seem like it. He's been so good that it's actually inspired the other guys on his team to raise their game. And to go all out in these games. And that that's my favorite thing of this. And it takes even last night. They lost to Milwaukee markets play really well in walkie as Janas and the key play the game was emiss- Adam walk inside and Janas an alien and just went up over seven people and tipped it in from wrong angle like Woody gonna do they lost to great where. But they were in the game when he was even playing well, so right now, he's at thirty three point nine house. And now you're talking about the only guys who have. Thirty four game. Wilt, Michael the Kobe year Kareem, Rick Perry. Bob macky to Elgin, annot algae, didn't even get thirty four. So that's it. So that I mean this is like he gets thirty five game. Now, you're talking four guys ever of than that will Jordan berry Koby, and I think he's gonna get to thirty five unless it gets hurt. Well, no, the the other thing that might work against that is they they're they're really dying for air Gordon to get going. And you know, he's been in. They actually die dying for that. They might actually pass away. He's been in what feels like a two months slump their their true playoff fortune. They absolutely positively have to have a Eric Gordon is at least performing it his statistical average over the direction of his career, and he's pretty significantly below that right now. And so would harden sacrifice touches and shots. No, Gordon, now, all your Gordon Gordon shows. No. You're the answer is no now. Okay. How about this trade you air garden? If you're not happy. Well, doesn't it feel like there is yet for Houston all jokes aside, an acquisition to be had from John wall? Apparently, everybody's hot for John while these days is out for the air is the worst of vailable should see you. I met Darrell Darrell can give you that skeptical. I and and he gave it to me when I asked him about Dwight Howard. I don't wanna look they're all in the face and ask him about John wall. I can't handle it. I can't handle the rejection. Speaking voting this year, it's actually easier than ever from fans to vote because you could just vote for him bay all stars by searching on Google search for your favorite player or team. He convo right in the search bar. You can also search on Google stay up to date with live scores and view upcoming game schedules. The all star game is February seventeenth voting runs until January twenty first fans can vote for ten players day. So go vote right now on Google. We've been doing this on the ringer NBA show. We might as well do it here too. Talking about what the watch the night is tonight on TNT Celtics heat at Miami followed by thunder Spurs, so keep an eye on that one house quick ones quickly the front court. And then we gotta get to NFO picks my front court. Kevin durant? Paul george. As my forwards can argue it the only other person. That has a case. Is a guy you might hurt of who plays in New Orleans and his name is Anthony Davis. Wait, wait. That's that. That would be your fifth. That's the the third front court guy. It would be except. I think I'm gonna put Nicole Yokich there. And I think Anthony can go can go say in his Satan, his French quarter mansion where he secretly bombed out complaining about how much he has to do. I team. Meanwhile, his team's pretty good. I don't wanna hear this respectful. Yeah. I don't wanna hear it. Anthony, guess what? Guess what you're the most talented. I said the Zack's yesterday. I'm doubling down. You're the most talented power forward of all time. You wanna crazy run last year? Where even Tim Duncan was like holy shit. I can't believe what that guy's doing. He didn't say that. But he was thinking it and now it's like a new year. And it's like, oh, man. It's so hard every night, and he's buying a house in LA and he signs with clutch. None of this has good. I'm penalizing. I'm not voting for an all-star starter. You're berating the brow. Yeah. I think Paul George has been better. You know, what I saw from Paul George a guy who whether he was told by Adam silver to do this or not re-signed with Oklahoma City, play Brisa Westbrook. His friend. And he stepped up his game. He's been awesome. I like that. You know, what I like Kevin Durant's having one of the best seasons of his career. I'm not gonna balance Kevin Durant as an all-star. When when I have Anthony Davis who's missed like eight or nine games already this season. And never known is gonna play. He's unhappy. He hasn't thrown water on the trade. Rumors stuff yet. You know what? Go go come off the bench. My all star game than Davis done with you believe Fokker is the one that. I'm surprised that you have in their Durant, and George their cases are impeccable. I would argue okay. The one the jokers twenty seven and twelve and he's the one seed right now and Davis twenty twenty two and he's gonna be representing the pelicans in the lottery only won't because his to be there. So he can he can go come off the bench all hail to the joker. Sorry berating. The brow at the ball. The triple b ballsy berating the Brown. What you're in New Orleans for now. And you're under contract lead them to the playoffs about that. There's an idea are we sure his teams bad. I liked you holiday. Yeah. What it isn't whether they're bad or not the problem is too crucial positions. They have new personnel. Julius Randle and Elfriede Peyton, you know, in in place of boogie cousins. And raise on Rondo that's kind of a sizable difference in terms of of personnel and in chemistry, and I know that that they lost boogie in February last year. But you know, still like asking Davis to put the team on his back after they'd played together. The way they had through the first sort of two thirds of the season last year, and he did it, and he was awesome ever. Great. And did and they went in and kicked ass in the playoffs. It's a totally different thing to start this season from I don't know you're not starting from from zero. But you're not starting from the same place. You were the previous season, not even close. Can. I have those senior NASA. Can I let you in ELO secret, please? I was just doing this for show. I'm not really that mad Anthony Davis, but I'm not voting first starter. I do think his team's a little better than gets entertainer. Unbelievable entertainer. I'm just trying to entertain people. Look, he's averaging twenty nine and thirteen. I don't know how much more he could do. But I it's more to me. It's marauding Yokich. I love Yokich. Okay. I exactly I discussed the yesterday on the pod. He has the rarest of rare abilities is he makes every person he plays with better. And if you just look at their roster. They don't have another all star candidate on it. Who's there? Who's there? Second all star. You even have won all starts going to be him. And they're the one seed he's been great. He makes his passing just never seen anything. Like it. We grew up. We were going to only cross seeing hearing about sabinas and how apparently wonderful. He was not really knowing anything other than the Olympics when he killed us. Then he showed up in Portland. He's had that giant head and looked like he was just washed up could move Bill Walton was another one we. Were pretty young for Portland. I barely remember it. But then d Eighty-six south versions, plenty two minutes game. That was awesome. This where he had seen that after night. I love it. And I wanna reward him. And you know, I'm sorry, not happy New Orleans, Anthony Davis. But. That's a long. I don't really want to prolong this discussion any further. I would the only thing I would say if we were going to really have an argument about starter. I think the argument is properly Durant versus Davis. Oh, I like that. Okay. 'cause durant. You meet argue all he has got one foot out the door too. So you could also make that right? And the that very popular trope of the warriors record when Curry's hurt and Durant's capacity to bring them versus you know, games where Curry's a solo and Durant's out. That's what I I'm glad we talk this out what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna I'm gonna pencil and Yokich I'm gonna pencil and Paul George because he's been flat out incredible. And I have I think another few days to figure this out, and I'm gonna just monitor the Durant versus Davis thing. And maybe swing it. 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I won a million bucks on the colts. I lost one point one on the ravens I pushed on Seattle push to. I thought I had the TS. Bear Seahawks, which I could've teased against lost that one for another one point one and then lost the one hundred twenty five K flyer. So that adds up to one one one point two with the push and then twenty five so I lost one point four five less or one point three last week. Let's say, but I'm still at now goodness is still up up like four million got millions to play. I got millions to play with. We're gonna play first game. Chiefs colts. I'm kind of stunned how much I like the colts in you know, so last week four road dogs one which usually doesn't happen that part of my thinking last week was for rod the I like these four road dogs, except I really like Baltimore. But like the other three but the road dogs never do that. Well, people are on that everyone's going to have the road dogs. Let's go against the grain than four road dogs cover this week. There's actually been more action on off or road dogs say I forget where I saw this. But somebody was saying the MO this is the first time in a long time that more than fifty percent of the action is on all four dogs. Does scary like you know, the ringer and the the ringer zone. Cousin sale lock it in. 'cause I thought I think I saw him talk about this. Yeah. Well, he's sometimes he gets too caught up in that and gets burned in the end. And I think the bears example of that he threw when removing one way he becomes convinced. The other ways the way to go and then. Then sometimes that doesn't work. That's that's why he doesn't own his own casino house. If you knew is gone all the time we'd be going cousin sows palace on the on the strip. I can't wait for that. We need whatever it takes for him to get on a hot streak. I'm praying for it. I'm dying for it. I wanna go to cut south palace. I'm betting one point one million dollars on the colts plus five for the following reasons. I've enjoyed them ever since they were two and five when I watched them almost beat the eagles. And I filed it away. And I talked about it on this podcast that I just there was something. I liked I liked they could move the ball. I like their youth. I thought they could protect luck which is super important in that a couple playmakers since then they've really taken off and the numbers the second half of the season. They're basically top-three Devia way right now if you throw in the the week one of the playoffs football, outsiders has Casey an indie one and two way to Devi. Oh has so that's why makes sense. I just think when I look at a line, and I think the line should be blank. And I just some getting points. That's always on my radar. I feel like this land should be three. I think that chief should be three point favorites over the colts. And I'm getting to extra points of getting five. I like that. Now here here's the thing. With the Casey defense. They've to good pass rush. Shire's? And that's about it. The pass rushers against. You know, a crap offense of land can wreak some havoc as we saw last week. And as we've seen really this whole coltran, they have a fantastic offensive line and the really able to protect luck. And I think that they can handle the chiefs pass rush, which leads me to Kansas City gave up four hundred nineteen first downs this season. To put that in perspective. Cleveland was the second worst team giving up first downs. They gave up forty two less. It was an NFL record house. No team has ever given up. More first downs than Kansas City did this year. The colts three hundred seventy one I dance for the season. Seventh overall twenty six in round one. It's it's an offense that actually just gets first down. So when it's third and seven thirty eight thirty nine you just feel like they you can get them. I think they're gonna be able to keep the chiefs on the field. And I think this is a three point game. I don't know who's going to win. But I the colts are going to control the ball. And the only thing that's gives me is the dome team playing outside which used to be in the playoff manifesto. But I ended up taking it out. And you know, there's some stats about that about John Ewing, actually the action network. He had read one of the old playoff manifestos. I did and tried to figure out if that aware of a team that's in a dome stadium or retractable roof playing outdoors in the playoffs. What's that look like, and it's basically been eight and twenty four straight up since two thousand three's since nineteen ninety fifty six teams played in outdoor playoff games in their twelve and forty. Four straight up eighteen and thirty six against the spread by comparison. Non don't teams outdoors in playoffs. Fifty fifty six over the same. Yeah. You're on the road. And you're not a dome team. I've saw that that article by Ewing. I enjoyed it. I'm glad that they're they're looking at your manifesto shed testing out if you of the God one in there. So anyway, that's that's that would be the case against the colts. There's also a playoff manifesto rule that I think you tell me if this qualifies. Oh, I do rule. Number seven is aware of all don't teams playing outdoors, especially in cold weather. That's still there there. There's the aware of the look a little too good. The previous round team. My question is do the colts qualify for this. Because they basically didn't score after halfway through the second quarter. They didn't get another point. So I don't I don't feel like I didn't come out of that game thinking, they looked awesome. It was more. Like, they look good early into Shawn Watson was terrible. And that was it. No, it did seem like the colts gave the Texans every opportunity. It is that can have it really did to go do something to to turn that game around. Just felt like the colts were begging. I didn't love the cult play calling in the second half it either either Houston took something away that indie was doing successfully or went incredibly conservative. If felt like the ladder to me looked like they went incredibly conservative. I'm gonna I'm going to hold on. I'm gonna go one step further. I think they Milton Berle that a little I don't think they wanted. I think they probably had more more to pull out of their zipper. But I think they wanted to save some for for my man, Andy Reid, who is the other reason that I like the colts plus five 'cause guests who coaches Kansas City last time, I checked Mandy read man guests who hasn't won a playoff game in Arrowhead since nineteen ninety four the Kansas City. The chiefs guess who blew a game to Andrew luck in Arrowhead only a few years ago, the Kansas City Chiefs, there's a lot of skeletons in this game house. You can see all of them. It's like a cemetery. Well, let's let's add my skeleton to that. I I'm I can say the amount. I don't care two thousand three hundred dollars on the chiefs money line last year. Okay. They were minus two thirty to win outright against the. No, it was more than minus two thirty because it was against Tennessee win five hundred. Yeah. Yeah. To to beat Tennessee begged, you begged you you did you try to your heart any real with house? You don't bet on Andy Reid lead in the playoffs. You just don't. Yeah. So I I was prepared. And I still think there is a scenario in which the chiefs this game is close all the way to the end of the cheese. How the ball the end and they score a touchdown and ever because of a late touchdown, and that's the scenario under which I think the cover, but there's just too much against you. You've you've talked me out of it. There's also an angle we watched it last weekend, Patrick Mahomes as a debut playoff starter yet. There is a it's an abysmal. Dismal record for starters who are making their first playoff appearance. Now, Patrick Mahomes is different in one crucial respect he is the second quarterback in history of the National Football League to have both five thousand yards and fifty touchdowns on the season. And he's also undoubtedly the MVP of the league. So I don't know if the trends that are again. Inste- running against him as in terms of him making his debut as a quarterback in this week's game apply. But there's enough other stuff out there. The rookie QB thing is in great. I don't like the third string running back thing either. And I talked about this last week. I don't like when guys who haven't been in the spot before running back slot receiver. Whoever those are the guys that tend to put the ball on the ground. So that whereas me now if you're talking in favor of the chiefs. Then the number offense. Now, I don't know if it's still number one day Williams, but I guess we'll find out great special teams. Second overall special teams Indy was twenty seventh that worries me a little bit. But I don't know. I just like in the point. So we're aligned on that colts Colt by five. Yeah. I'm going to join you on that. Okay. Next. One more controversial Rams laying seven to the Cowboys. The case against the Cowboys Jason Garrett as their coach there. The cowboys. Dak Prescott can look good one play in the horrible the next. There's all these stats about he's not great against the interior pass rush. The Rams have great interior pass rush. Even though them got a lot of sacks. They put Donald is going to be the best part in the game. You know, they won their game. They're playing outdoors which don't think Dallas as in indoor team. But they actually are you don't think of LA as an outdoor city, but limitation house. It's freaking cold hair. Especially at night. It's gonna be like probably like forty eight to fifty so Sissy. Well, I'm just saying it's not it's not going to be warm. It's going to be like we're not going to be going to the game in shorts with drink a bit in dockers. Then the Rams really just didn't play that. While the last six seven weeks of the season. I think we have this every year we have the rabbit team that looks great the first nine ten weeks. And then after that, they just didn't look the same. And you look at you know, they piled on and get San Francisco near as ONA the last two weeks week fourteen and fifteen they lost Chicago put up six points. Total against a good Kagera defense loss to Philly thirty twenty three the shootout against Casey, which was the game that allegedly change the NFL that was November nineteenth so long ago. So anyway, I I don't trust. The Rams is really what it comes down to for me with that number. And I I actually think this might be a non bet for me. I might might stay away completely. I just don't trust them. I don't trust Goth against Dallas front seven which I think is really good. And I think. Seattle's game plan last week was an atrocity, but I think one of the reasons atrocity was I think they were really worried they couldn't block that front seven and they're just trying to grind them down with the run game. And couldn't do it. Should they should have spread the floor? I mean, I should read the field and and try to pick them apart. And I'm sure the Rams are going to do that. But the no Cooper Cup thing. Only having the really two receivers you can count on. And then girly. We have no idea healthy is I don't know house. A the seven makes me nervous. What do you think? I agree with you. I it feels like to many points to me. I think what we saw in that eagles game the physicality of the eagles upfront against that Rams offense of line. And how uncomfortable the eagles were able to make golf and what that translates into in terms of virtually everything like the body language out of him. When he's uncomfortable because of pressure is such a radical. Departure from the from the confident swagger version of golf. I think the Cowboys can repeat that I think the Cowboys have this same amount of talent. And that lettuce them up front as the eagles. And you know, the the linebackers are as good as as anybody in the league, arguably van rashes been incredible Jalen incredible. And the Marcus Lawrence on the on the on the line is going to go wreak havoc. I mean, I'm with you in terms of just kind of just staying away from it. But if I was going to bet I would take I I like the Cowboys getting all those points. You know, there's two other factors share one is that they really beat Seattle much more handily than I think the final score that game was e could make a case like Seattle's driving for the garbage time TD or whatever and some them play happens. Dallas wins by seventeen which really is how that game could ended. Is the line different? If Dallas win that game. I don't know twenty seven to ten which kind of felt like it was a twenty seven to ten kinda game in some ways is this line seven. I don't feel like it is. So maybe again free points there. What do you think of that? I agree with, you know, you're absolutely right. If doesn't one by seventeen going away. I mean, you know, Seattle had the ball at the end of the game with chance to tie the game. It was an up losing though, it made it feel like it was closer douse squeeze it out. But they didn't they really didn't squeeze it out. They dominated that game. Here's the other thing. I think there's gonna be like forty percent cowboy fencer, there might even be fifty. And I think it's we see this over and over again, it's happened to me a few times. I bet on the home team in forgotten that there is going to be just a ton of fans for the other team there, and you it's an unsettling feeling when you're playing. A home playoff game in a half. The crowd is not only rooting for the other team. But really really loud the belligerently rooting for them. And I'm being to see you throw that with the Dallas front seven a kinda wanna do a half. Like like, maybe a five fifty to win five hundred K bet on Dallas, but seven just to respect myself. What do you think of that? Okay. Okay. I like it. I mean, the other interesting thing on that home field advantage portion of it. It's not like there's a rabid LA Rams fan base. You know what? I mean. It's not like the sixty percent that show up are going to be insane. Now, they're not it's going to be one of the most peaceful environments Dak Prescott ever played in road playoff game. You know? And then getting thing just play it out. Dow's wins New Orleans winds. Now, it's Dallas at New Orleans NFC title game. And everybody watched talking about the highlights from that other game for awhile. I kind of see that happening. You know, and then Jerry Jones New Orleans the two teams that have really clashed the most against Roger Goodell all that stuff. So you half bet on a happened on them. I don't trust Goff is really what it comes down to more than anything. I don't trust him in a game. Like this against a good front seven with half the crowd room for the other team. I just wanna see it. And if he burns me, so be it. But I like it in the seven when I don't know which team's gonna win. I think it's the right move patriots. Chargers chargers. Probably the most popular underdog pick. I can remember the playoffs. And while haven't seen a lot of patriots moment with good reason. Yeah, they deserve. It. Can I make the case for the pats? Oh, oh, you can. I'm listening starting with the fact that the host of this podcast doesn't believe in them. I think that qualifies for them as nobody believes that team. Oh, I love it. People have the chargers penciled in the next round already. Meanwhile, they're getting four points. So why is that? All right. Well before last week since two thousand two Pacific and mountain time zone. NFO clubs have been outscored two to two fifty six in the first half of all one PM playoff contests on the east coast. That's that house. Joe health kind of staff. I don't know. I found it online. Now. I think the ravens last chargers raven screwed that went up last week. But but yeah, that's a good one. You know, the old west coast east coast that is a tough one. You're and I do this. Look, I go back to these coast all the time. I'm always fucked up. I can't follow till three in the morning. I always wake up at nine thirty ten o'clock. So ten o'clock in the morning game. You're getting up like, you know, what five five thirty five forty five it's freezing that just sucks. So I'm throwing that in there. Well, guess just just a gentle tap the breaks. The chargers just had that very same thing last week. That's true. But in that game they had the benefit of Lamar Jackson in the ravens coaching staff actually squatting taking giant dump on the field. I agree. I agree. So the let's the chargers offense in that game. In Baltimore house, sixty six plays. How many first downs you think that? Sixty six plays. I'm gonna say. A dozen. I down fourteen I dance river's. Okay. Thirty two passes for hundred sixty yards running game. Thirty three carries for eighty nine yards. Offense was naked. Well, maybe it was just there at Baltimore's cold. All right rivers since Halloween. He's throwing for over two hundred seventy five yards. How many times house? None twice. Okay. I tried. When was the last time the chargers had a hundred yard rusher in a game house. Octo November fourth. I was close. How many games in the patriots won at home count in the playoffs? Yeah. This is the thing. This is the nephew nephew. Kyle's a Boehner. This is so fucking weird way. Kyle cheeses just get on with the Toby. How many games they want at home house? Four hundred and seventy three now sixteen it's a lot. No, okay. Here's the recipe for them to win. Now, first of all if you think the team's gonna win you just have to pick them. I can't worry about the four disagree with this. But go ahead now when it's when it's four lower. I'm just it's like, I think the pets are going to win. But I'd like the plus four like, I just can't do that. If it's one thing Kim, that's fine. Well, you can that's fun. Yeah. This is a weird the good matchup for them. The chargers offense. I the pats defense rivers is a guy scrambles around. That's always been a problem for the pats. They don't have like the overpowering running game. I think there are certain teams out there that could rush for two hundred thirty yards against the pats. Don't think the chargers are that team. They've had a lot of success against rivers, and they have a really good secondary. Now, I'm pro Pat secondaries it's the best unit on the entire team special teams. Bella check, you know, the bringing the kitchen sink out this game reminds me of the ravens game from a couple years ago that they ended up winning thirty five to thirty one Edmund pulled the play out of his ass that the the double touchdown throw. Where he just like you kinda left the game thicken. The ravens were probably a little bit better. But the pats were just the pats, and they were home, and it's bell. Check a braiding. They figured it out. It has the marks of that. And then you talk about offense. I think they're going to try to run the ball control the clock short in the game and just kind of do their thing. And and I like the minus four I'm not going to bet on this though. Oh, you're not going to. Now. I mean, I'm gonna put I'm not putting a faux bet. I'll do the five fifty to win five hundred on it. Yeah. Say here's what I'm rooting for. You actually. That back because I have another idea that I'll tell you in a second. All right. So I I'm gonna partly them with somebody in the next game. Oh, interesting. Wait. Yeah. Go ahead. What were you saying? Saying I you mentioned your sort of best case scenario matchup for next week of no Orleans, Dallas. And it has it's very rich in terms of the story lines and the the storied franchises. And all that thing. I personally am rooting for on the other side the patriots against the chief sin. So that doesn't go against your colts getting the five, and you're you've made a very persuasive argument for why the patriots should win on Sunday. I think patriots chiefs the passing of the guard. The Tom Brady the Mahomes Brady matchup Andy Reid. Kenny. Finally, get over the hump is this the last gasp for Brady and Bella check. I just think it's a very very and the patriots would have to travel there. Head for this. So. I just think in stay matchups for next weekend. That's what I want. The patriots traveling airhead is by worst case scenario. You know, what I need? I need the pats to win. I need the colts to beat the chiefs. So then come to Foxborough and we'd beaten the colts like drum. That's what I need. The pats of us have been very successful against the chargers over there. Now, here's the case for the chargers really quickly. It does have this is Phil rivers is kind of a year type of to it. You know, he's oh my God. The best best quarterback not to play in a Super Bowl. All that stuff. They're really good on the road as has been discussed ad nauseam mainly because when they're even playing at home, they're on the road. They're playing this stupid stadium that have family for the other team. Great point. I don't think it really matters where they play. But I do think last week's game made them look better than they were because Baltimore was gist horrible offensively just horrible, and they just played fifteen days before and figured out kind of the perfect scheme to fluster whatever the ravens are trying to do in. The ravens just did not out of it in time. But you know, they've had seven defensive backs out there. Good luck. If you're gonna play seven defensive backs against Brady they'll change on the fly. That's the that's the big thing with you. Gimmicks against Brady of figure it out. So I don't think it's Tom Brady anymore. But I think his brains the same. Yeah. The the only thing I would amplify on that point is. And I wanna get I wanna make sure that Melvin Ingram is one hundred percent good to go but Bosa and Melvin Ingram. That's a that's a different. Look come from the chargers that is it's ref from my own like site test, the fastest pass rush in the NFL right now. Those guys are so effing fast that that you know, Brady under pressure in in the playoffs is kind of a different Brady. I mean, it's the best I could come up with. But I was super impressed by how quickly Botha an Ingram were in the backfield all game against Baltimore. And then Ingram is the best player in ran one. And then during James's the other, and they have three absolute booed tripper defensive guys, and I can see this. How this game could go where the chargers just dominate the whole game. Believe me, I'm prepared mostly furred house. I think they could pressure the hell outta Brady. Hit the hell out of gronk no running game at all pats on third and eighth. Thirty nine they're just on the same kind of weapons anymore. I see all of it. I here. He here's the what I keep coming back to. If the pats lose this game. I think that's it for the bell check Brady era in a lot of ways. Wow. Why? 'cause I don't think it gets better. There's no roadmap for this to improve. This is basically they lose this game to the chargers. We're now in this mode. And I saw it happen with the Celtics in ninety one ninety two you never know the dynasty is going to end until it ends. We saw it have on the Popovich Spurs. What what year was that? When they lost to. They lost to the clippers member that round one. Oh, yeah. One. They lost the game seven in the clippers beat them. And we kind of knew they weren't coming back. It was like if they come back it'll be with the nucleus Kawai, and this whatever air this is over. And I think that will be the legacy of the pats lose at home to the chargers, I think it'll be an ass kicking if they lose and then we'll come out of AM. We'll go this is over. I don't feel like that's going to happen on Sunday. I just don't I actually think the next Sunday could be when it happens if to play narrowed, so yeah. Well, I think that the that narrative is precisely why I think New England's gonna win and it's going to be like a field goal at the end. I think it's gonna be tight throughout. And I think that there's it will take all of the Bella chicken and Brady and powers combined to ward off all the MO Jo that Phil rivers and the chargers have going out of them. And I think that they kick a field goal at the very end and then advance and then maybe go get their ass kicked by the chief. Next week. Do you know anyone who's taken the pats on for have you seen that anywhere? One person. I here's the case for the that makes me think they they win a game. Or it's like they win twenty seven twenty one or twenty seven to twenty two or something. And but the chargers have the ball of the mid left than their unlike the Patsy, but somehow they don't even cut right because be one of those. I don't know. I just don't feel like down on this team. I see I see the finish line. I just don't feel like it ends on Sunday. I don't know. Why? Now here here's one other factor. I'm gonna be at my daughter's soccer tournament on Sunday. I don't know how that factors into it. I'm going to be watching this game on my phone. On the phone. Okay. I wondered if the ipad was going to be part of it. Now by phone will be done. I'll be able to second. It'll be fine. A probably still a probably drinking bring a flask. Here's what I'm doing this. So I'm not I'm not before. Right. Yeah. It's happened at as and turned out. Well, it was twenty eighteen Broncos pets. Saints. Pat's doing a parlay. That's that's the second bet. It's minus one of five saints twin pets twin? And. You know, I can't get past the fact that the eagles only had like ten point nine points last week or ten points with five minutes of the game. They barely squeeze it out. I think you need points to beat the saints. And I don't think they can score enough points. And I think everybody is on their Jack. I think the bears blue that game. I don't think the eagles were better team. I think the bears were better team. And they just fuck that game up did a bunch of dumb shit and the eagles stuck by. And now they have all this big dick, Nick momentum. And here we go and this is happening again. And I think the saints just roll through them. I think the saints are the one really good team right now. I believe in the saints. I agree with that. I I'm not prepared to lay the eight with the saints just because of the one last gas from big big, dick, Nick big Nick big dick, thank big, dick. But I I the the real risk for Phileas, the track meet, and we we already have ever. Of that. It was barely two months ago. No Orleans ran them out of the dome Norlin and the dome is just such a different team altogether their own home dome. And I was looking for some chinks in the armor. I went to to to look at their last six games. You know, the the only game that that was a genuine loss was to Dallas. And you know, all credit to Dallas at really changed the trajectory of Dallas Thursday night, though. I I don't never exactly yes. You beat me to it. Yeah. So yeah, I tried to find something about the way the saints have been playing that would give me the reason a reason to think that they could lose this football game. I just couldn't come up with it. Yeah. They're interesting is they have the three best offense of players in the game. Not just to through all three the breeze. The Michael Thomas they've Kamara and all those guys will make plays in this game. I the question for me is can the eagles score enough to hang. And and I don't think they can I have a lot of respect to the eagles how they turn their season around. But that is interesting though Trubisky just started to pick on Maddox in the second half of that game. And we started talking about it. And like, wow, if they had done, this sooner. They the eagles have always been one defensive back short. And I don't know if you can be against the saints. They're just gonna find whoever that is and attack the living hell out of that guy. One and Michael Thomas, especially there was a stat that I saw about Maddox being especially susceptible to. The double move. Yeah. The double move. I was going to call it the stop and go because that's what we used to call it on the playground. But right. The double move, Michael Thomas master, the double move and has demonstrated throughout his career and poor Maddox. I mean, this this this feels like the the kids going to be out on on toast island couple playoff manifesto things. And you have to go. Don't bet against God puppies or gambling. There's from Pakistan. That's rule. Number two. If Nick foles wins game. I'm putting him into rule number two. Don't bet against God puppies, Nick foles or gambling theories from Pakistan, that's going. He's going basically betting Nick foles is like betting against God. But maybe it's something like quarterbacks who have a nickname big dick, like whatever I'll I'm working him into rural to Ed luscious lips. I mean, don't forget. But where the everybody believes the nest team rule number five that is a hundred thousand percent the chargers. Right. Aren't they the everybody? I feel like it. I with the saints to maybe that's that's the only concern with the saints. Honestly rule number ten is winning doubt gravitate toward one pick. That would screw over the most gamblers experts and with definitely go against the single worst gambler. You know that is one hundred percent the chargers. Everyone likes to chargers. I'm sorry. They just do. There's no terrible QB in round two there. There's no scary coach in round two other than fuck. Jason Garretson will number thirteen. Andy Reid is as well. Yes. Andy Reid is. Definitely there rule number thirteen before you way during a team. Make sure Marty Schottenheimer matting his family or anyone from undershot numbers family Herm Edwards. Wade Phillips north Turner. Andy Reid, Dan Quinn. John FOX Jason Garrett. Anyone named Mike anyone described as indie reads pupil in anyone with the last name Mora is in its head coach, I just realized Jason Garrett and Wade Phillips cancel each other out. This is great. So so it's okay to lay the points. I mean for Dallas Sega. All right. So you're my picks one point one to win a million on the colts little five hundred fifty K plus seven Cowboys, and then one million fifty thousand to win a million on the pats to win parlayed with the saints to win which one is a guaranteed winner house. I love the parlay. I love the Sunday parlay, the oh, gee McCall at the OG parlay. That's breathe. That's that's Tom Brady. And drew Brees making us through getting us for at home. And that puts us in such a wonderful position for championship weekend leading into the Super Bowl. We're gonna you know, you we have the oh, jeez. Doing their thing. That's that's what I wanna root for. And I like I want. That's where I want. I want my at this point of the season. I wanna gamble on one the outcomes that I want I don't wanna hold my nose and do contrary and shit anymore. Just want the outcomes that are best for my viewing pleasure and the OG parlay. I'm all over it. Has a pleasure as always you can hear house on house it carves? His food podcast. And then when his golf star get going again here. I think we're going to have it open up coincident with that the Tigers debut in the two thousand nineteen season. He loves Torrey Pines site of his last major victory. So that's like the third week of January or so there you go any last words for Nikolai. Good word Neff is he's you guys. He's he's dating again gives us out of here. Still deal grow fading girlfriend there your back doctor you about this Kyle. I sent you something in the mail, really go to the mailroom. Okay. And I'll talk to you about it after you get it. All right. We'll do. All right. Bye house have again. Thanks, boys. All right. Yeah. Let's let's have a winning weekend. Let's do it. Our win. Call and CEPA wall to talk a little surprised knows couple. Spoiler alerts coming but not nothing too major. Oh, if you haven't watched the sopranos and your over like seventeen years old just move move to another country. We don't want you. Anyway, here's hotel tonight. Here's a little inside or travel secret from our friends at outsell tonight there tons of empty hotel rooms out there. Just waiting to be booked hotel. Tonight is partnered with these awesome hotels to help them sell their unsold rooms, which means you get incredible deals forget scrolling through never ending lists hotel tonight shows you a select list of incredible deals at cool hotels. They think you'll love short profiles of each hotel. 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Dating back to the old BS report days, you're coming on like what was it two thousand eight still working at the star ledger back then oh member when they had newspapers. I remember newspapers. Anyway, we're not here. Tugboat newspapers here to talk about the sopranos which radically. By the way, I was gone last week you'd build me the book, and it was on my desk. I didn't even see it. I was home Friday night. And I told the star my podcast, my wife, just had the sprint on the running a marathon and Wynonna bunching five episodes, and I honestly had not thought of the show for twelve years since or twelve and a half, whatever since it was gone. Even though you know, it's on the mount Rushmore for me. It's weird to say this forgot how great it was. I have now watched all season one. I went backwards watch the first six or seven than I had already watched the five, and I really need to revise my lists up wall. I think this might be back to number one. It might have passed the wagon. Where's it for you? It's really really high when Matt and I did the TV the book a few years back. I think we had a second after the Simpsons. But I gotta say when I really wanted to do this book, I had the same reaction, which was I always love