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West Mailbag, All 15 Teams. More Return News.

"Okay. We have a chock full episode for today kick. You'RE GONNA get to all the mailbox because we also have a bunch of news that we have to do, but we're going to give it a shot here, and is the Western Conference mailbag four minutes on the clock to try and get to all fifteen teams within an hour here to do it to save some time for news, Denny. Is there a particular letter that is feeling lucky to you today? Let's start at the top of the alphabet. So be it four minutes on the clock for the Dallas Mavericks. We got a series of questions largely on the same general idea, which is what can, what should Dallas focus on the third season? Do they have a realistic path to a third star so I'll start with realistic path to a third star from Geoffrey Keaton because I think that Jefferson twelve I think that works they. They focused on the off season. You met yeah, and they do have a realistic pass to a third. Really good player star might be stretching. It just depends on WHO's interested in taking their money and the key. There is the summer of twenty twenty one because at that point Dallas will have. They'll have money cleared off their. They'll have some stuff off their books and like. Like so for example if they theoretically cleared Tim Hardaway. If he picks up his player option, then they could, they could basically have max money or close to it, and there's no guarantee that that must max. Money will translate into a star after all. They had a lot of money in the summer of twenty, one, thousand, nine, hundred in produce a star, but the sales pitch. Pitch will be a lot easier now that luke has already ascended and kristaps Porzingis this healthy so I think that's their best path forward is to use that space. They could theoretically use it ahead of time through a imbalanced trade, but basically earmark that space for for the best player they can get. They've had more success in pastures, pivoting as they did in the summer twenty. Twenty nineteen to getting undervalued role players under contract, but this is the time as you mentioned because the salary of Luca will be going up to the Mark Cuban is willing to spend. If you're looking at the cap space now, our current estimates are hundred twenty, one million for a cap in the summer training to a one that to me seems unlikely that it'll be that. That high, they're looking at about thirty million in space right now with that one twenty-one that could easily go down to like twenty five million instead, but they could move on from someone like Seth. Curry or Dhillon white towel to on right to to get to the space that they would need. Here are the other teams that I project out significant space in the summer twenty. Twenty one that might be possible star destinations showy say based on what we know about those teams. Dallas is one of them. Toronto is another one Miami me be more ORLEANS, and that's probably about it at any other anyone forgetting Memphis of space Memphis New Orleans in Dallas. WILL ALL BE. You'd imagine kind of competition as the next like young destination, for a player wants. Wants to grow with a team, but so there's going to be plenty of competition for the available twenty twenty one free agents as of now that class includes Jaanus vitral depot Bradley beal holiday potentially the clippers. Guys yet George and Leonard Lebron James as a player option. Then that's probably about it for big stars that are really gonNA. Make a arena bear is another one. Of those players, clearly, the SAR wings are the ones that most appeal actually think drew holiday could be a very nice fit for them, also potentially, although presumably they wanna bring back also got a in New Orleans I wanNA bring him back. You've also got Josh Richardson coming off a player option in. philly would be a very nice fit with them as well if they can't get the star, they'll want to boost their three indeed chops justice. Winslow could be on the look out there as well as unrestricted free agent. So that just briefly for Matisse Martin asked the question about like. The mavs offer Tim Hardaway Junior, and the answer is not much because anything that they give Tim Hardaway beyond the twenty twenty twenty one season cuts into that cap space, so it would to be a massive team friendly deal for me to accept it as the Mavericks Yeah, even if you want to argue that hardaway would be worth extending on news of at his presidency, which I disagree with. He had the best year of his career this year, but he's also going to be twenty nine, so this might be on the downhill at that point, but I think that the opportunity cost. Cost is just too high. There I mean you're like okay. You could resign tomorrow. It's like. Is it really going to kill you if you lose him like he's a good player, but you can get other guys like that especially when you need more of a defender next to Luca and so hey, you know what you might strike out. There's some possibly that you lose hardaway, and then you wouldn't be able to replace Obamacare is good, but the upside of getting someone way better than him is enough that I would not consider sending him nuggets. Yeah, let's go to the nuggets. Couple interesting questions here to tackle a start with this one from Leandro may ten zero Manteo either way in a playoff series between the rockets and nuggets. Do you think Denver can play both Yokich and MILLSAP AGAINST HOUSTON SMALL LINEUP? Yeah, I think they can answer it. Yeah, I think you. You consider other options at at the time, but part of what Denver's theory of the cases against the against the rockets, zigging while the other teams, Zags, and there will be times that you'll get your. Your Bill SAP and out on end up out on an island, but as long as you can bring a little bit of help where you're comfortable with James Harden shooting a step back three. I think you'll be okay especially, because if it's Yokich. That's out there. Then you make the other guy drive, and then you have millsap, presumably as a help, defender, and yeah, harding could get him in foul trouble but I. think that could. Maybe a Yokich is going to be out there regardless, Chiasso. MILLSAP as a rim protector behind Yokich I, think is important. Mean can't really go with the put the center on. Russell Westbrook strategy, so they probably got to put Yokich on PJ Tucker, and just deal with Tucker getting some corner threes, but yeah, if Yokich is gonNA, get space out a little bit bill sap can very easily guard. Other three point shooters. He's not eakin. Even maybe guard Russell Westbrook a bit if you needed into but I. don't know how you're going to defend without. Paul millsap out there for big minutes. Maybe you could say you go German. Grant instead and maybe get a little more shooting on the floor and grant move his feet more laterally on the printer. Even if he's not the same help guy that mill sap is but. But millsap is still wanting to their best players to me and so I. I think you do have to have them both out there. Maybe I, my greater concern is exiting in the offensive end than the defensive end with millsap if he just doesn't have the shooting touch, but most the replacements other Michael Porter Jr.. Don't have the shooting touch either. Right US this one from veal Koronen. What should the nuggets do with their power forward situation this off season. We talked about that very extensively. Odds right yeah that that nuggets battle plan, so I I'd recommend going back and listening to that. If you want more but I'll give you the quick twenty seconds summary here. Nuggets have probably about thirty million or so to work with I would say below the tax going into this off season. Porter Jr. is still going to be there and so you. You've basically got thirty million to re-sign millsap grant and Plumlee who they also they are going to need something at backup center in theory, and so, who do you prioritize? Prioritize I think it just depends on what the prices are for. All those guys calmly obviously is the worst player those guys I think I would have him last but also you can get a replacement backup center, but I mean for millsaps if he's like okay I want three years at a high number. Then you probably focused more on grant grant by the way we can take this out of the. He recently set it up gas that he is planning on opting out, but that. Of course he can certainly change that decision. There's much to be decided between now and then including what the salary cap going to be. So, it said that Nicole. Yokich look slimmer I think Tim. Kelly joked that he has a six pack. How would it impact is game? He uses weight in the paint to push away. The opposing senators me less efficient now, so that's interesting. Yokich is even alluded to the idea that he likes to be a little bit heavier, so he can push people around. I think the number. One issue is just that it's not even that he's so much faster. It's just that he'll be quicker he'll be. Be It won't take him as much energy to move, and so he can just be more mobile. Make more efforts overall on the court. Not necessarily. He's going to be like flying around way faster than he was before. That helps a little bit, but it's more just like. Hey, you won't see him hopefully to run back on defense, so he just falls the guy in the back court. That kind of stuff that I think he'll do. He'll just do it when he's angry instead of tire to. But, but yeah, I could see more of a difference on defense. Just raising raising the standard of care there would be would be a big positive, and ideally stamina can go up, but I think overall it'll be good thing. He's so damn skilled. It's not like wait is the only reason like what's what's keeping him a dominant player with nuggets of chance against the Lakers or clippers. I think the Lakers. Just the clippers are way better. The workers do have yeah having to elite wings. Just that will exacerbate some of the the nuggets defensive issues because I. Don't think they can defend is of them Harris. Maybe a little bit on Paul, George but I mean don't have anybody. Does you know two out of three guys will experience some form of male pattern baldness. By the time they're thirty five. The best way to prevent air losses to do something about it why you still have hair left now. Thanks to keeps. You can visit a doctor online and get hair loss medication delivered right to your home. 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He had a nice start over the first couple of games so but I didn't really see much different in his overall numbers, he was taking more catch and shoot threes, and just more of his buckets or shots were listed or. Or potentially assisted so I saw that. Maybe you could say individual defensive will, but I didn't think there was some massive transformation once he got to golden seem like relatively the same guy to me. Yeah, he got he got to the free. Throw line a little bit more, and you could see that get stronger with superior surrounding towns, but no I and he he competed more defensively I thought that was a little bit of. Of, difference and I think that wiggins can be better especially if the warriors can figure out not that it's been. He's been failed by five different countries. I think part of it has been a lot of has been him failing effort, wise and execution wise defensively Minnesota so I think there's there's hope that he will be that. He is improved because I think he has but the idea that he is so much better than. than he was I. Pretty strongly disagree with ease. He's improved, but the improvements aren't dislike seachange. It's just midst modest, but important yeah, and noted by another questioner that the block and steel rates went up for him, and that was true, although it was also the he had a couple of months or games right at the beginning, so we'll end. It's a weird sample because the warriors were so far out of it and playing. The games they were playing very different than what you'd expect. Yes, but I mean he did. Have like you know more steals over like two game period than he'd ever had his career. You had like a five still game. I think it was against Phoenix up so I mean there were some signs, but all there wasn't enough for me to like really changed my prior. Yet I think I, was asked to a previous time. Like how many games would it take of him playing at a new level for you to believe that it's? Four something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean I think defensive stuff is probably the most encouraging. Offensively I saw little different kite, six, seven, one, seven, six. Sorry, dissociate guess what declines and Draymond Green game would mean the worst. We better off playing, but senator in the regular season I don't think I. There's a realistic way to do it. Because the wear and tear that that would take is dream onto so much smaller than centers and they you can clotheslines with it, but making him full-time I mean first of all the biggest problem there is also that. That you have enough wings and the warriors certainly don't have the now that they traded with Kevin. Durant left, but it seems impractical for them to get to that point wall. So what circumstances? What the client? I mean I think I. Don't know that there's going to be more decline than there already has been in terms of as an offensive player I think part of it, too is just the emergence of Paschal that to play those guys together. You have to play one of the four and one at the five. It's really the only way to it maybe. Maybe, they could even have Paschal guards and five. If they wanted to reduce the wear and tear on Draymond I mean it could get to the point Danny and depending on what kind of player he is up to this, but it could get to the point where he's just. He can't possibly be effective as a power forward offensively, but I think stuffing clay will still give them enough shooting that he he can survived there, and you don't need as much shooting. You know you can get away with two non zero. They had good line-ups with green and guys like. Like bogut or looney out there you know even at times. When Green wasn't shooting the three ball well, so I think as long as stuff in clear out there you can, you can get away with power forward in the regular season in particular, but I think that's whatever the decline is. It seems to have already happened so I. Don't know that there's going to be hopefully. Defer the ways. There's not going to be more desire. Pasco of more markey's. Chris closed gains for the Warriors I. Think Pasco, more likely than Chris but I would guess. that. It's neither of them. Yeah, I mean the hope is. Definitely? Definitely, not criticize it is that they can get people for the at least the mid level exception, and ideally if they use, it would trade exception that can be better than those guys at least in the immediate Paschal than he could be better, but that I don't think that's. And by the way Bob Myers and comments, today said he's not certain whether they're going to be able to spend as much or not. They still know where the cap is GonNa, come in it, but he shared the usual platitudes about how incredibly creative the ownership group is, and all that stuff, so no indication, Yay or Nay, but it seemed like it was fairly complicated. They're gonNA. Spend an there's. There's at least an acknowledgement that that may no longer the case. Dean Vasic here talking about the Houston. Rockets one at the rocket seem to be using harvesting it all. He's pretty much the only legitimate center on their books. And when he did start a couple of games this year, he played wall. They're not playing centers at all. I mean it doesn't really necessarily matter how legitimate Capello. Russell Westbrook on the team, that's that's the number one reason he is their center I. I think that there could be an avenue for you know if Dantonio or whoever if they have a future coach? That isn't Antoni wants to manage it where you play. Try to more zealously play a central when Westbrook is on the floor and try to squeeze out those minutes less relevant in. In the playoffs because Russell is going to be playing a ton, but that could be one way to do it, but heart they don't need. They had clink cappella and when he was healthy, he was a you know a above average starting center in the NBA and they didn't even use him so Hartenstein is even harder and harder and also doesn't have the greatest of lateral quickness. Is defensively to you know he's not a great rim-protector. It's kind of a quadruple a player. He puts up great numbers in the G. League, but he's also just not like an amazing finisher, so I tend to sensitively, either like especially against competencies fine, but he's not like I mean I. Don't think there's is massive potential I mean. If you wanted to say that, they should just shoot it just been using him. Don't like us some US up. Up two minutes. Okay, but that was I mean that's the approach that they went to. Where did you see the rockets the next few years aso? William Nilsson five always contending starting rebuild or the winning etc, I. Mean I think there's going to be a very severe inflection point of where they move into rebuilding with Westbrook and harden I? Think when it becomes clear that that group is no longer a championship contender. I mean that could. Happen as early as this year's playoffs, although you can always kinda explain that away by the unique circumstances, but I would think after the twenty one off season, especially, because that's shaping up to be one of seminal off seasons, they either try to get some big star. Again was some crazy maury transaction to reload or on Westbrook or hard, but then if they can't do that. That, you could see things changing. You could see you know more even leaving at that point and it told a rebuild happening. so data a little bit of Color Hardin this next year will be as age thirty-one season eight thirty two season for Russell Westbrook, so there might not be a lot left with those guys as truly players. Now they'll they'll each be. Be still be productive as they age, but I think the time of the rockets. If they're even title contenders now that time has probably short especially, because it is so implausible that they will improve from this point they with both with for Cheetahs reluctance to spend, but and the coaching uncertainty, but also that they don't have players on this roster that you expect to be markedly. Markedly better in future seasons than they are right now a couple of questions about the how the rockets will fare in the restart and what they're. The small lineup is GonNa. Look like an I think there's a pretty good argument that Houston is really going to be healthier. Looking a little worn down harden in particular seem like. He had some nagging injuries whilst playing wall. Westbrook had been running into four, but I think hardened being at full speed. Not Having had time to get fatigued over the whole course. The season's Kelly did a piece indicating that he's He's staying a really good shape living in Phoenix right now, and so yeah and guys like PJ Tucker with a chance to recover Covington I. Think if all those guys can avoid getting reinjured or get not reinvest getting injured in the ramp up. I think it could really help them and I. I would say it's one of the teams that I would expect to have a decent chance a looking better than they to okay time for the clippers. Another question from a Leandro Mateo would Houston or Dallas caused more problems for the clippers and a playoff series i. don't love the The Mavericks Ability to defend the clippers and they just just. It's where Kawhi Leonard particular wants to get on the floor. I don't know that the mavericks have players who can kind of stop that and. Getting into the mid range and just using his strength exactly and I. Don't I don't know who guards him for them. Yeah, and they also have a lot of guys. They can put on Luca to 'cause Luca problems and I think that would. That could short circuit parts enemy I. Think Doctors just wonderful. I'm excited to see what he can do in the playoffs so I think Houston is better at Houston also has played some good games against the clippers this year. Not We don't know how relevant the sample is going to be, but I think it's I think it's Houston and that could change over a couple of years, but for this year yeah, the rocks yeah, I think. We. saw that in some of the regular season match now the clippers did completely destroy Houston in Houston right before the end of the high or right before the height is, and that was a game right? Yeah, but THE CLIPPERS DID lose to Houston home at full strength earlier on a I think that was right before right after Houston made those moves with bring in Covington, and and going to small took. There's just more of a theory to me I just don't see how the Mavs can stop the clippers and the clippers I have so many guys to throw at Luca is that mean I think? Dallas could still give them a decent series, but the clippers athleticism. athleticism advantage is just so much better whereas Houston with guys like Tucker. They have these strong guys who can do some switching a maybe a few guys who can at least like cause some difficulty for quiet in Paul George, whereas Dallas does not really have any of those well and wondering apologies. If you mention this I, didn't hear you mention it. KRISTAPS PORZINGIS had challenges in the past with stronger smaller guys. The clippers have a bunch of potential players. They're like Marcus. Morris most notably I could imagine him doing a reasonable enough job on on porzingus to you know not not to shut him down, but to make life hard enough that again it makes offense sputtered a little. Little Bit NBA is best for. Is this the best closing for the clippers? Beverly, Schimidt Kawai George and Marcus. Morris in certain situations get certain opponents. Sure I mean I think for me. This potential swing spot there is shows like you could use to Michael Green if you wanted a stronger guy who can do a little bit a little bit more switch. NBA A little bit earlier, or you could go zoo zoo bots if you wanted a center on the four I like Shamet, offensively and I, but I wonder a little bit about how much he's going to get attacked, but also you can just have have a weak point on your defense. It doesn't. I don't think that. That shamet is so bad that it's. He's not like a sore. In the way that trae young is where other teams just GonNa go after it every time because that's the right move, they might do it just because there are neither good points of attack so I think it's one of the best potential lineups, but especially like if you're if you're trying to make a comeback as weird as you. You've made this point really well. When you're trying to make a comeback, it really starts on the defensive end, and so Shimin might be less valuable in those circumstances. Yeah, it's really going to be tough for doctors. I don't think Morris gives you enough size and in particular help. Impetus about Yeah Yep? Morris is more about just being adequate at in guarding man, but he has always been very limited not good rebounder either He's been limited as a help defender so I. Think you know it had been that would be Michael Green maybe at center. Who Does give you a little bit more athleticism, but Morris is a better player than green. I do I do appreciate the sentiment of Shammy. Maybe being underutilized, think a lot of it's just gonNa depend depend on the match up. herald also has played well enough and they I think that's clearly going to. To, be the go-to to begin with that and I think they'll have beverly Kawhi PG Morrison Herro will be their default starting lineup or closing lineup. I should say and then if that doesn't work then, maybe they go away from it, but those are the guys who have the most equity Maybe we'll see Lou Williams in there instead of beverly, but I don't recommend that because we talked about this and the Lakers Game Lou Williams got picking rolled to death as the role when he guarding the roll man, and then you're not going to put the ball in his hands over. PG At the end. So why have them out there so I? Think Beverly or Shamet I even consider going Shamet over beverly with that group to just to get more shooting on the floor again it depends. Do you need a thorough like a quick guard that beverly needs to guard on the other team? Let's jump to the Lakers. I think this is an interesting one from Buxton sixty. We don't need to spend a lot of time on. What role could demarcus cousins played on this Lakers team if he had not torn zeal, taking minutes away from better fits like Dwight Howard, and even Deville Mcgee I. It would have been fun to see him offensively with a passer of Lebron's caliber. Like the there, they could have done some interesting ideas, but cousins had need so much defensively, and the Lakers are trying to be very competitive as as the warriors were last year, so I think that there was a real downside in terms of fit I think that's a good point. Point well I might change my tune. If you were able to rediscover three point shopping. He really did not have that. When he came back with the warriors that that might actually made things easier, it would have been huge, you know. He just doesn't have the type of rim protection. That Chevelle or Howard provide, so I'm not saying that he couldn't have been effective. They're also. He just wouldn't needed the ball a little bit too much I. Think as well. He just has a high usage. He tries to post up lot you. You of gets in the way you know. He's a high usage guy doesn't necessarily skill all that while I think we saw that with the warriors to some degree that we didn't ever see him at anything close to full strength. Let's do this one from cactus underscore Carlo should the Lakers tried to experiment with Anthony Davis Center in the last eight regular season games or save it for the real playoffs. Yeah, they don't have too much to play for as far as preserving their seeing their within a few I. I think three and a half of the box so probably not gonNA. Catch up to them and hey, it doesn't matter anyway right like it. If you're not gonNA, have home court. They do some of these gimmicks that I'm not particularly in favour of I mean I'd I'd be down to have like some sort of crowd noise brought in remotely of with from like actual fans, making noise that gets piped in, but other than that I know the go another timeout for the home team or something that seems really dump A. It really doesn't matter. All they have to do is maintain the number one seed. Clearly, you don't want to get into the two seed because you're a much tougher matchup than you would. Probably with the whoever the eighth seed is going to be at least if regular season results, hold at all going forward, but all that said I think they absolutely should experiment with it. They need to find out what they have a encouragement eight centerline at the probably mean that Kouzmin, it's GonNa play as wall, I think that the Lakers biggest problem is gonna be scoring, particularly scoring the into. If the you know. They had these issues with Lebron dribbling the air out of the ball and taking bad shots, and he was like four, hundred, twenty four and clutch threes this year with a lot of bad shots taken at the end of the clock, and so opening things up a little bit more offensively, and then hoping that you can maintain the same level of defense, or if you're going up. Up Against the team where you might need to do more switching, you could go with a d at center as well so I think they should absolutely expand with. They should just try to win. The games that are in front of them and the idea of saving tactic for the real plows to me and I don't think there's anything strategically. They're doing with a D at center that it's like. Like. Oh, we're GONNA totally take teams by surprise here so I. Think it's more about them. Getting comfortable playing that way than preserving some elements of surprise for the postseason. I firmly agree and also it's getting used to who the other players are like you. You brought that up terms of smoke, but do they want the dynamics of? Let's say defending the one when you have a traditional center next eighty. Eighty are different than doing so when a D. and Lebron the four and five respectively so I think that that's just one about how a this one about which of the surplus sex with a funny name the Grizz Palace Spurs kings sons in order, most and least WanNa face I mean with Aldridge, being out which we'll talk about in a second. The Sun's not being that good kings up. To me, it's really who who do you fear the most among the Grizzlies Pals and Blazer? Blazers. They have because they're. They're presumably close to full strength, I think it's even though they don't have a great person to defend Lebron They I. Don't know how it'll be interesting to see how the Lakers would want to defend Damian Lillard and I think that they don't have a natural metro. No, and so I mean maybe maybe that's Casey. P. Danny Green's probably. Probably too slow to guard point guards this point. It's true that the the grizzlies have played the Lakers well in the past, but I think that boys are fundamentally different team. If Turkish is available, and Zach owns available, so I would go blazers especially, also, because if the blazers make it through, that means they are playing well, and that means that the disfigured figured out then I. that's that's a great point. I glad that you said that because if that that. That means the private nurturing. Collins are going pretty well. That gives them the size, the match up with the Lakers and yet. That's an important point that we are. Are you bored? You have to assume that whatever team makes it through playing well, so are you more scared of a cruise pels or blazers team? That's playing while I think blazers would probably be my answer to and one small thing I'll say is I, would actually the kings below the sons are? Are Rather face the kings than the sun's. Just because I think the sons have more variance and they grew. They could. They could put it. They can put together a little bit. The kings, I think we kind of know we kind of know what they are in. The Lakers aren't going to be too scared of that. Okay, let's move on to Memphis if there's one from Curtis van. ZANDT, if Jaren Jackson junior can put on enough muscle so he. He can start at the five. Do you think France? And Clark could be the starting powerful next to him roof? Yeah, I mean I said when Clark was drafted that I liked the idea of that combination mobility and shot at both positions defensively, offensively Clark is probably the five in that scenario, but especially if Clark can build out his shot a little bit more than maybe you have the ability where both of those guys are capable of either spotting up in. In the three point line or rolling to the basket you know I don't think Clark is going to get there I know he shot a high percentage this year, but it's not a high volume, but yes, I think that that realistically could be a very good combination for the grizzlies and I think that's what they saw in when they drafted Clark that you could fit those two guys together as big even if neither of them are necessarily traditional centers. Centers defensively yet that you can get enough combined rim, protection, shooting and mobility from Andy you could go with the number different schemes defensively. Maybe even do some switching again Jackson in particular, has got to get more mobile in that regard, but and really improved his technique as a switch guy, but I think no I I really liked. Those guys go to more things that I. I will echo all what you said I think that the rebounding could be. Be a concern, but they're only certain teams that will make that a real problem so having another big in the rotation valance could very well serve this role then when you need it, you have somebody else to to, and you could slide either Jaren to the four or just keep in Clarkin for some of those minutes, and then the other wrinkle that the front office and and Jenkins can need to solve is just slow I. Mean Winslow to me in. Some maybe that's more offensively than defensively, but he worked. I think more. Than anything else in terms of the she shooting range in frequency, so then that. The hope. Is that the shooting the shooting of Jackson hopefully can let you get away with. Guys aren't quite as good as shooters, the three and four. Yeah, but if both car. Doesn't extend his ranger, but he's been a killer from Florida range, but if he if he doesn't get a reliable mid ranger, and just as still volume, and maybe maybe all it is for winslow is just the needs to take more. There could be some configurations there were. It gets a little dicey defensively, though can be interesting to ward. You're finishing five look like if you are mufflers. Just read them off here since we're running a little bit short on time I, think it would depend on the match ups, but I'd pro ended. Depend on justice. Windows help and. And whether or health, and whether the three pointer goes in, but Jamarat Doin Brooks winslow Jackson and then either Clark, or on Tunis depending on the size of the team. Tim from from dinner. Avid would come close to favoring any not current nonprofit him so neither teams competing for the nine over Memphis, if Memphis is in the eight spot, and thus only to win one of the to play in Games. You know I don't think so i. mean that's I wouldn't say it's impossible, but it's. That's pretty tough I mean you can kind of do the math. What the odds be and that's that's a good way to do it right like so what what percent chance of winning each individual game would be required against Memphis for them to not be favored. You'd probably have to be in like about the seventy percents right? Yeah, that's that's almost exactly right. Yeah, a little bit more than seventy percent in each individual game for them to be famous. That's a big especially without home court. That's a that's A. A huge advantage. Yeah, it. Is I mean and and similarly similar records I mean that's like a five hundred team playing a like Milwaukee playing against like a five hundred team in the regular season or something would probably be expected to win seven percent of their rights so Yeah, it's a big. Ask me it wouldn't be impossible but to be favored. It would take a lot now. If you know there's an injury, mirant doesn't play or so. Then, it could be different Minnesota from what is. Your take on the no. D. Or light on defense roster. For the T. will. It is a totally reasonable use of resources when you consider the limited resources, they have I mean they what will does that mean? You liked the Russell Trade for them? No, no, and because because that's really what shifted it when you've already got Karl Anthony towns. Who Yes? He's limited defensively so your options. There are trying to build up enough defense around him to be respectable on both ends or go just all often. So it seems like they've done the latter strategy, and so you think that's a good idea I think it's. What I what I give us a little bit more latitude with is that it was so hard for them to change over the roster media they were capped out. They didn't really have a lot of talent. They didn't have player. The only player they had on value contract off like the non rookie scale to me was Covington who they got reasonable value for so I, don't. Think given the the hand he was dealt. It was a reasonable choice, but it was not the one that would have been 'cause. I'm Angela, Russell and I don't think I think that you would. If you're going to go all offense, you would want somebody who's better offensively than Daniel Russell as good as he is. I think that's right to the trade for Beasley and Hernan Gomez that I thought was worthwhile. Right? The they traded this pick. That Houston's pick wasn't gonNA be any good anyway to get these guys and they just think the idea of getting enough shooting Ron Karl Anthony towns was big to me. to just. Just actually see what he can do for the first time his career when he has enough shooting Rhonda, and the price on those guys was love, and so obviously you're not going to just pick your strategy and a vacuum. It depends on what options are available going with the all and strategy to get those guys when the price was low that to me makes sense. You clearly made your team better by getting those guys, even if you're going offense me more than you'd want to, but Russell. Trade to me is where it breaks down a little bit with the both now the off a wiggins, which was huge riding. Russell is GONNA contribute more for them than wiggins wiggins time there was just up but I think if you were going to give up that pick and wiggins. Could they have maybe done better, or should they have held onto a little bit longer? Just tried to see what what it looked like. If you got guys like Beasley and hurting Gomez in and didn't make the trade for us all I think. I probably would have rather gone in that direction, it would have been hard for them to add a point guard that was that could move the needle, but again. Again unite both lower on Russell as being that guy say. What will it also to me? What is adding Russell going to get you right like? Yeah, I think you could make the argument that it's GonNa, make them a better team over the next two or three years, but if you're really trying to build an actual contender around Karl Anthony towns that Russell as we mentioned due to all of his limitation is just not a high enough upside play to fire off really like the one major bullet you had remaining in that draft. Pick before towns is going to. Get to the point where he may want to move on. Then join a team that can contend more. They also have have a good pick this year, but it's hard to that one's kind of harder, which is typically we'll do this one from MBA is best for A. is there any way? The Timber Wolves are a top twenty defense opponent shooting walk shooting lock. So, if you work through the if you work through the four factors just brief just briefly as a thought exercise for for next season. We can assume that saunders is still still going to be their coach yameen. That's the other thing that I. Realistically Have Much Flexibility to change their personnel so I mean. Maybe it'd be a coaching change, but they're not to do that either. So so it seems exceedingly unlikely date so last year they. They, didn't they gave up the they didn't give great shots and teams made a lot of them. They did actually force a reasonable amount of turnovers. They were eleventh a fourteen point eight percent turnover forced, and then they were me- mediocre on the middle of the road on the defensive glass, but then they also filed a time, and so the two the two things they were worse than which includes the most important one opponent shooting those. Those I. Don't see getting really better and then remember they didn't have. They didn't have their combination. The towns, the towns, Russell combination, pick and roll combination defensively for really any portion of the year so white and they have had Robert Covington for a lot of the year. So yeah I think it would be very very surprising. It'd be, but there could be some sort of variance and I don't know. Maybe there's theoretically some coach that. That could unlock more towns, but Russell that is a big challenge defensively. You and I know a lot better firsthand now. 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Three pointer comes back more like what it wasn't that first game against the spurs then every other second. He's been on an MBA floor and most of what's time in college and. The other part of it is just opening. The Zion gets better offensively and he will, but he has to get a lot better to potentially be viable as a senator defensively, and that's the biggest thing that people get wrong about the Warriors, defensive success without a center sized player was that Draymond is very unusual, among is is size, and that he was really long intensely smart, and so he was a capable rim-protector. Almost all of the Diet. Versions of the warriors have had a player who could do that and I'm not confident that Zion can be that Govan either. That's always been overstated. suet looks like coming back here with the more time coming off the that knee injury now should the PELS extend jrue holiday. This off season asks a cat daddy burns. I think they want to learn a lot. Maybe they can learn some of this over the course of these Games plus theoretically more if they can earn it, but the Pelicans I, I think you want to use the twenty twenty twenty one season to figure out all of these things, and so unless you can get drew. This isn't as nearly as extreme as the Tim Hardaway example. Example I brought up before, but if you could get him on a deal, where even if things don't work out, you could trade him. Then sure can have that conversation, but if it's anything beyond that I think you want to wait and see even if there's a chance that he leaves so the most they could offer him would be after this year would be what the four years in the starting at one hundred twenty percent of his prior salaries that'd be a starting salary thirty one. Yeah, that's a lot of money. Yeah, and so you'd be looking at you know. Know probably in one hundred and forty million dollar range over four years now. If you could do it for three years, yeah, maybe think about, but he's GonNa. Be Thirty one in the summer of twenty twenty one and I think to me. It's too risky to use up all of your bullets there for a guy who's going to be going into his mid thirties. When you got to build the team runs, I think that would be repeating some mistakes of the past where they used up flexibility too early around Anthony Davis, and I think you need to just wait until the. The Austin adjoining to a one. If draw is looking that good. If you don't other options, then, maybe you can recite of at that point you still do believe payment. A ton of money then y'all if we're talking for if he's willing to do three years and ninety million, then maybe of I might think about it more, but especially that fourth year that could just totally hamstring the franchise for a guy who's not didn't play an all star level this year going into his mid thirty s just not. I mean that would be maybe not as bad as the CJ mccollum. mccollum extension, but pretty close to there, and you're just. There's too much uncertainty going forward to lock into that yet. Especially, because some of those deals the second you pivot into a negative value contract. Then it gets to be a big problem, because then you can't. You can't really change it. They do have plenty of assets, but they're not assets you WANNA. Use to offload a player and I don't think drew. Holiday has been so good that his reputation will outstrip is performance for a long. That happens with guys I. Don't think it's going to happen withdrew. Oh, I mentioned Clayton. Clayton on these thoughts on New Orleans. It favors leaks leaves I like that fit. I wouldn't paying too much money, but yeah sure. Yeah, I mean the problem is. He can't stay healthy. You know he's probably really twenty minutes a game guy at this point. He's probably not going to have quite the same shooting performance that he did this. You're also it's just getting him out in space and play next design without a lot of other guys around him. You know he may not look as good as he does it in a tighter defense system, but no. I mean that would. Would be a great backup center option for him at the typical backup center money for sure SG. Okay, see here. Nick Korac does Shea. Guilt Alexander have the potential to be a number, one or two guy I would say to, but not one new girth. I do I like a lot of what Shea does as a complimentary player, he has some. He has good instincts. He's can be shifty. I like his defensive chops for a young guy, and he I think he'll get stronger. I think we'll get better. You know he in those in those small lineups that we're doing well. Well. He wasn't guarding the other teams best perimeter player, but he also wasn't garnering their worst one and I thought that was nice and for a team that can go in and out of different directions I think Sh- is a really nice piece to have because then if you and he showed to me, he showed he's shown through the clippers time, and then also know Casey that he can play on ball. He can play off ball, but I don't to me to be a number one as a guard in the NBA, you have to be dynamic on ball or like Klay. Special. What is so like, just ridiculously special, but and there's a lot of things that are good, but I don't think he has just that one thing that just about his game, the way, the absolute best often superstar to do you do. Yeah, but he's very well rounded defensively. He can pass them. He's not an amazing passer. His shooting is coming along. He can score, but he's not like an unbelievable score finisher. The room kind of more crafty doesn't put a ton of pressure on the defense to draw double teams as he drives so yeah I. Think it was the number two absolute. I I like totally fought I. I think he's going to be a fixture there. For having a good number, two is nothing new. This is one briefly because we've already discussed it in battle plants from from Giannis, if you were saying Presi, which would you take for the next season? I would listen on Chris Paul and probably intend to move him if it doesn't if you can like for not giving up assets, but if you can do that and really bottom out a little bit, it sounds like the twenty twenty one classes good. They can get out of some of their money. Maybe get a taker for Stephen Adams and go in that direction if They should be ready to to stay relevant if Gallo wants to take a short reasonable deal, but I don't expect that to be the case so question ideas basically. Do you see the potential asset? Toby Detmar? Yes, I, mean number one to me, though is, he's going to have to get better as a shooter. He kinda shoots this hierarchy moonball that isn't incredibly accurate. Didn't go in and unformed this year, so he's GonNa. Have to at least get that going You know I think he can do a few things rather hypothetic-. hypothetic- but a mobile. He I think he can eventually fill out to a decent power forward. Size of you know. He's not a an incredible athlete. I'm not sure really were where he becomes a plus defensively, of I think he's average. Verse is moving at speed I haven't seen a ton. That really makes me say. Wow on that near the numbers with him on the floor were really bad but it wasn't expected to contribute at this point have not played college basketball last year so I mean I think he could use. Use a decent. Pick there I think he has the potential to be a rotation player. I don't necessarily see him as a future starter right now, but I wouldn't totally rule it out. No. I wouldn't either, but there's a lot that has to happen between now. And then unfortunately they have three more years on his rookie scale contract forced to potentially happen quickly here, assuming Andre Roberson still exists. Do you think he has been minutes in Okay sees playoff rotation? I'd be extremely surprised at that. Just the to it's been. been so long of a layoff I don't even know if he can play, Eddie set. He says he thinks he might be able to come back, but we'll see what happens. When he really ramps up in the training camp, but I mean they do have such a limited group there at the three and the four that if he's okay, maybe he gets in there, but he does also really mess up their spacing to, but you could see a baby taking The I'm sorry, yeah. Bazeley has been as the backup for. I think it's unlikely just that he's healthy enough to even play. A smart smart defender could be a real nice element for them to have especially for one Chris. Paul is off the floor, but it's so much to ask We'll move onto phoenix here. Four snake seventy-six. What should the suns due to finally get over the Hump and make the playoffs next season? This is interesting because it's if what they should do for the overall future of the franchise. Versus what should they do if they're only? Goal is to make the playoffs next season. season, those are two different things they are the it seems like some of the more intriguing possibilities for the suns by fading away with the potential cap, dropped from the projection, because we were talking about the possibility that they have like twenty plus million in space. That is harder do if it know, it's harder to do a lot of damage if that twenty million let's say, the campus stays at around one zero nine. If that's more like fourteen, then e in some ways, you might even rather stay over than we can wield some leverage. which use the full non tax payer me me. Maybe maybe you can't actually having that fourteen million. The room exception allows you to get somebody a little bit better, but so okay. Let's so there I would say the presumably. They're gonNA start Eytan Booker and Rubio in some configuration, and they have depth at the Ford spots. That's what the other question this is on, but I think you could add somebody else who who would help there for sure I think that's that's one reasonable way and get i. mean to me, it's to me. It's offered to know ago. Four years and ninety million dollars that the. Only goes to make the playoffs next year. That would probably be my pick. Get the offense good enough and then hope that you figure it out defensively enough, and it is going to be a stacked like all health health caveats aside. It's going to be a strong field to get into the playoffs next year. So that is also tough for Phoenix but yet gals gals. Probably the best they can do I got a question for you. Would you consider letting it be known through back channels that you would make a four your ninety million dollar offer to Gordon Hayward who he'd be a good so. Too by the way he has a player option for thirty four next year. If I wasn't going to get hit by the League Yep absolutely well I. Mean You just I I? Would I would rather I mean I think that would be you know hayward, get back a little bit to what he was fit. His fit is intriguing there. Turk Tummy up. I mean that would be very also that would really help them with their backup guard brawl. Exactly get another another ball. That was whether you think that's going to bring up for. Their debt is a reliable backup point guard like that. It is such a such, an old old thing that I've been saying, but like point guards mortar razor floor than raise. Raise your ceiling and so if their goal is to make the playoffs you need that forest highest could possibly be yeah. They'll probably I would imagine take a point guard in the draft that will end up being the heir apparent to Rubio. Jordan s with Mikhail bridges having a promising start to his career. Would you rather him or brain? Long-term wing I like better. Better long long term Uber can be better in specific moments in specific series, but I like bridges as a I like more defensively and I like him. More kind of in the lower usage Choudhury type range make reasonable decisions I think that he can. He can step into that reasonably well now I think they're both capable parts of the of rotation, but if I I were to say who I think is going to be better. Let's say two and a half three years from now I'm going to go with Mikhail so they're not that far apart in age bridges, this was as age twenty three season and Uber as age twenty four season. U-B-E-R is coming off of that knee injury. Hopefully he'll be able to play. Think we've. There Bobby Marx had mentioned in the piece for ESPN on Monday that it's sounds like he might be available, but I don't. I don't know if that was source reporting. That was just kind of him thinking about thinking through. Yeah, given what the initial time line was supposed to be that normal. meniscus injury. You would expect that he be back but yeah. That's Who Do you think I think bray was better this last year. and me ever nineteen points a game and was about league average in terms of efficiency and Mikhail bridges was very efficient this year, but he just has such a low usage radio has not been aggressive offensively at all twelve point four percent usage. Maybe that goes up if you know. Know he's not playing with the UBER A or he's, but it's not like. The sons have like so many offensive options, so I do think that bridges defensively particularly as a help. Defender bridges is one of the guys at the nail in particular You know a little light in the shorts to guard the guys, but so Zuber I think both those guys are a little bit better on smaller players Uber as a better transition. Clearly better often do agree with that absolutely. Yeah, so any provides more scoring just in general, not necessarily creation, but at least like more play, finishing Shaq shot creation, if not Chretien for others I guess I'd probably go with bridges both dude his contract situation. In fact, these little bit younger and just seems like a little bit more of just a winning type of player, but it is very close. That's a good question world I'll just briefly from from west with a bunch of numbers will. The Blazers could challenge for the title again next year with Nurk Collins back again is a great. Yet to this, they have a challenge for the title period and I. Don't think they will after that. They made the conference finals, but that doesn't. That is not the same thing. They weren't one of the three best teams in the Western Conference the year. They made the Western Conference final and I think I think they'll be back in that range that we're. They'll be like the third through sixth best team in the conference if they're. They're healthy, and it's not a bad place to be, but that's not contending for a title on balance us. Old Friend Glenn Simpson was the mellow experiment, a success or failure for the blazers given the other realistic up. It's incredible success, but it is I mean their defense was a lot worse, but they needed help at the forward spots in the worst way. They ended up getting Trevor Ariza in the as more trade around deadline. Deadline, but no I. I don't really eat the forward forward. Scrapheap is so desolate because every good forward like wing. Let's say wing. Let's say week that it because every wing that has like a chance of being a rotation player is usually on a roster somewhere because there are so few yeah, when you're comparing him to his own Neha and air. Rodney hood is as torn his Achilles and Gary Trent came on a little bit. Bit But it now anything could use melodies a lucrative beauty Neville even like the highest usage, and he gave them some offense on that second unit, which was getting its butt kicked, so he certainly contributed to their terrible defense. Here bs US better than the other guys that they had so now the only thing you could say and they are. He kept him afloat long enough to get invited to this tournament, so they're going to. To, shot at making the playoffs, it seems like the only thing you can say is that maybe it was a failure because it would have been better for them to just be out of it and get the draft. Pick A and use that going forward instead of just kind of hanging around the fringes here and still being in the playoffs, but now it clearly was a success. Thank yous. He played better than I thought. Thought he would play. He was in better shape even if we should be very clear that he wasn't wouldn't be a positive on most teams on this team, he was better than what they have. We got two questions kind of related to the blazers off season I. Think we can kind of take them together one is do the blazers guarantee a reason? The other one is kind of like what what will their? What their off-season? off-season, look like an all I'll go through the basic idea so either in the early days will we thought the Blazers would do could do is they would clear cap space, and then use the small amount use a small amount of space between ten and twenty million, and then the room exception to to improve, and what with the combination of the CAP likely dropping not definitely dropping and some of the other moves that they made. Made around deadline and Rodney Hood getting hurt so it looks like he's going to pick up his player option. It becomes more palatable instead of paying a reason one point eight million to play somewhere else to pay him twelve point eight million, and then stay over and use the full emily and part of the reason that becomes possible as they have a seven point, one million dollar trade exception from the baseball. Deal that you don't. You you're not GONNA get. It's not another mid level exception because you have to get somebody who is under contract, but that could potentially get somebody for the rotation and I think they could do all those things without going over the tax, so that's I think that becomes a plausible path, especially because I don't know who they would use. Let's say ten million. Yeah, we've talked a lot about them again. That's a the northwest division. Battle plans the podcasts of. Of Francis. Mac Asks what's your take on Gary Trend Junior, intend to take a deeper look at it, but you never got the chance and your with especially with all the covert stuff that I've been doing I haven't had a chance to dig into the film and I think if I do have chance to dig in the film during this period before he restarted probably draft. Guys trying to get ahead on that a little bit Let's move to. Do the case from from Connor of the pure do the kings have buddy healed and booked on Bogdonovich on their team and eighteen months of what level of assets should they get returned for either of them? As a point of reference, buddy healed. He's under contract now so after this season because the season no matter for this is making ninety four million over four years. That is twenty three five per year, and notably it descends, which was a nice piece of business for what I did that with his deal, and they also did that with Harrison Barnes but the big question there is. A big deal is I. Don't think that's a positive value. Contract for Buddy healed I. think that he he is shooting is is very much for real, but his defensive limitations, and not doing enough other things positively makes it hard to get a lot of assets in return for him now he could be one of those players. This happens every so often. Who just is like more than by other people than us, or let's say me in this case because we haven't heard your thoughts on it so I'm going. Going to say that that one of them is gone almost definitely, but he healed because they like Donald he will have just resigned, but I don't think they will. It will have been to get a lot of return. So this is eighteen months else. That's basically the start of the twenty after the summer of twenty twenty one or they both that's-that's for me. The way I was thinking was the start of the twenty one twenty two season. Yeah, that's a long way. I don't think they will both be. Especially considering the grousing that healed has had on a number of occasions, I would imagine that they will have moved on from one of them, either he'll get to start again, and they'll move on of which by damaged goods still potentially leave in free agency although it, there moves auger that they will match or bring him back but I. Think the only way they would both be there. There, just like who else who are we trading these guys for? We're trying to win their good players, and we can't reallocate for another type of player that we need These types of trades really happen, but wouldn't Gary Harris and buddy. He'll be more useful on the others team Denver US more shooting and Sacramento could use more I. Think ten. Denver would need a lot more defense. That would be going more in the Minnesota Vein for the nuggets, and I don't think healed brings enough offensively. No, he doesn't bring a lot of shock creation. So then you have Yokich and drama, so maybe they don't need that much, but I do think that Gary Harris Harris Dean Fox. Combination would be intriguing to me so I. I don't think I don't think it helps both teams personally also because I think even with his. Let's hope temporary shooting limitations I think Gary Harrison's immediately better play the he'll. Oh, yeah, that's in there. Both Kinda paid the bolts. Healed makes more goes out. Out, for longer I mean that's kind of the biggest thing to me is is that he goes out for a lot longer. His contract even kick in until next year. And what is Harris have two years left now after this one yeah, and it's nineteen and twenty million healed healed is above that in terms of his annual value, so I think that's where it breaks down especially when you consider that Denver his scraping by every dollar with the taxes as we talked about earlier in their section, just solely on the floor of your say, which would that make both teams better next year? Could I. Don't think that Harris helps the Kings defending kings defense actually is like reasonably decent at this point and I do think that the nuggets need more shooting and that he'll could make a big difference, but they also could just kinda held onto visa. who had to gives a similar player? If they really felt like they needed that and I do think. Harris is a huge part of the nuggets being respectful defense way I think if they lose him, they could really. Really go down and also when you're talking to of bring Michael Porter. Jr. Into a larger role than you really need Harris his defense on the perimeter at the. You'd really be going all offense with Yokich Porter Murray healed as bore your five starters. That's That's a little level. Let's go to the Spurs and then Tony and start this with. Let's let's actually begin here talking about the news. That lamarcus Aldridge has had season ending shoulder surgery forty five days ago. Yeah. I was GONNA. Say It's the time for a time for secret surgeries, but apparently the time for secret surgeries was in April. It was the terminology that's been used as that. It was an arthroscopic Subba Krummel criminal decompression and rotator cuff to prevent on his right shoulder, and it occurred April, twenty, four, th, the injured it February twenty first, and then, and then he returned basically the day before the the for the Spurs last game, but he's expected to be back for the twenty twenty twenty one season. Yeah, I beat I, was gonna say that now is the time for secret surgeries, but apparently the time for secret surgeries was in. In April one, this actually occurred, which is totally crazy of the is being described as an arthroscopic crow meal, decompression and rotator cuff to prevent on ulcers, right shoulder he will miss the remainder of this season, but expected to be fully cleared before training camp for season two twenty, twenty twenty one season, the injury occurred on February twenty first, he missed six games rehabbing and then returned in their last game before the covid hiatus, So San Antonio now significantly less interesting in the seating games and presumably going to. To be a part of the playoffs, which is disappointing, but also you know doesn't move the needle that much I guess. Yeah, they're going to have a tough struggle to begin with the at this is kind of interesting. Just in the sense that they moved his guarantee date up to January. It wasn't going to be until after the so maybe that could have affected their decision, but it seemed like they just wanted to guarantee him and be nice or something, but not having him on the books maybe could. Could have been helpful for the rebuild, or maybe he's a trade candidate now I think with the Spurs. Playoff hopes pretty much dead without him. There'll be more of a thought that they're gonNA move into rebuilding him going off a surgery so I mean you have to imagine that he's GonNa be on the trade blocked this off season, even though the Spurs never seemed to train anybody. They also never seemed to not make the playoffs so this. This is going to be unprecedented times now for the Spurs. Question here, how should the spurs proceed with Walker Murray, and white, when it's clear that Demar Rozina staying for another year. seems pretty likely to. Rosen will opt into his twenty eight million next year with all the uncertainty and the lack of a clear souder certainly could be potential trade candidates as well so I don't think it's clear that he's necessarily going to be staying I mean I. Think you just. This is one of those things where it's like when you're talking about. About young players and whites, not that young to things twenty six already, but when you're talking about young, a lot of fan bases make this mistake especially for guys. You haven't proven to be elite yet. Which of these guys have where it's like? Hey, all these guys are develop into quality starters and we have too many of them. We have to sort this out whereas in reality. If you keep all through these guys and just try to play him, let them develop you know. Know One to two of them are really going to work out. Probably into like quality started level players problem just itself for you wholeheartedly agree and they and they halftime here I mean so what Dijon already on his extension? Then Derek whyte. He'll be extension eligible this offseason, but presumably you wait you wait on that unless he agrees to something very friendly team friendly so then and then Lani Walker. He's not. He's not a free agent. Until Twenty twenty two, so I think you. You just sort it out. Yeah, what would you consider to be really team? Friendly, Dirk whyte be eleven million a year. That's I was thinking ten and a half, so yeah, we're. We're pretty much same page. Yeah! I think at that level where you're i. think could have minimum. He's a solid third guard going for absolutely even if you get stuck with him at about his president level. That's not a crazy overpay, and you might get some upside if he moves into being a starter. Except that so, but if you hold the line there, then you're fine. Yeah, I. Mean You never know what people are going to accept man? We're living in new time such trip now I mean that's life changing money. What was the the Thirtieth Pick Twenty Ninth Twenty ninth? Pick I? Think he hasn't made any money yet. You had a very circuitous route to the NBA so that might give them a greater appreciation to. What about for Yucca Pearl? What is the cutoff point there? I think for me. Would you pay the mid level exception four years for him I mean that's the largest offerings likely to get elsewhere. I think I'd match that a solid solid enough center I think you give him twenty. You know. Give Him Twenty five minutes. What else are they going to do with that nine million a year? Yeah, I mean they don't have any other bigs on the roster. Really Aldridge I assume is going to be gone, so yeah I think if you could get him at that amount. You know if you're getting into fifteen million a year. Let's watch this. Line somewhere above the mid level and below fifteen million but then there's the second part of the. That he's going to get that much I'm not predicting. He's going to give it its axis. The absolute most I would pay and so tariff brought up the idea that that Jaka Pearl could sign a qualifying offer, but the reason why I don't think he will, as long as there's something plausible out there is that the most common reason for a player to take a qualifying offer is if there's a belief that the next year will be markedly better and for Jaka pertile. He's just kind of a wrong place. Wrong time guy as a senator and there will be a lot of other players on. On the market I. Don't know that unless he has an awesome year. which is possible, but I wouldn't. He doesn't strike me. As the type of player is going to take a massive leap in year five that he will, he will like some somehow all of a sudden. He becomes a fifteen twenty million dollars a year player. It's possible, but that's. That's why you take a qualifying offer instead of a more modest than you like off the I. Mean So. You'RE GONNA be out ten that are in league so Utah How would the jazz fair in a potential playoff matchup with the thunder without Bah? Boy On. Yeah No, so I started saying. Boy and put out well. They'll also be without bugged on It hurts. It hurts the jazz a lot and I liked the point i. Wish. I remember we was talked about the idea that ingles bingles moving into the starting lineup. I think that that will be okay, not as dynamic not as good as Donna which, but they're. They just get so much less versatile, and their bench gets a lot. It gets into a lot of problems, and if anybody's injured or not playing well, so how do they match up against the thunder specifically I I think I think that series is very competitive I could see I could see going through direction. One wrinkle their which is. is so different from from a theoretical jazz thunder series in another years replacing Russell Westbrook with Chris Paul because with Russell Westbrook. Having been protecting center obviously different in in when now that he's Houston. You know you could slow a lot of things down and the jazz usually get back in defense, but with Chris Paul in some ways Rudy Gobert, depending on how he moves, himself can be less valuable because Chris Paul's not trying to get to the basket and I wonder how that would impact over the long run a series when? He doesn't take away what okay so he's trying to do because they don't really have this roster of drivers. Yeah I mean Rudy. Gobert and the jazz have a ton of. Playing against Chris Paul the last two years in the playoffs and Paul in some ways is an antidote to go bears, Brandon Defense with his ability to work in the mid range, rather than trying to attack the rim all the time. The jazz lack of depth isn't as much of an issue when the thunder also have a a lack I think the Jazz, the coaching advantage. I would still favor the jazz in that series. I think I would chew, but it would be. It'll be a modest favorite. It wouldn't be a heavy one. Yeah, I think like this jazz team kind of beat the thunder two years ago, when in theory that thunder had more talent but that's also. Also? The thunder were about as good the Sierras the as they were two years ago. So maybe that's not per. Se. I think that it's not a too difficult of a match for the thunder, because they can their lack of guys to match up on the wing, a problem I think the thunder, just not having anyone who can shoot is a huge issue, a off branch and that the jazz can really take advantage of that. I think that George Neang who's got a much larger role with Bogdonovich out. I think he can play just fine against I. Don't think they really stress him out. The way like a Houston would think I would still favor the jazz in that series. PD Harrison fifty three. How much does billion surgery hurt the jazz chance of making playoff run? I think horrendous being winning Patel at least one maybe two rounds and I don't think were gonNA. Win Two rounds anyway, and this lowers it, but it lowers it from Costa Zero to closer to zero and I mean I. Think the only the only team I. I think I would favor them against now would be o'casey. Okay, see and then yeah. They can't face the seed. Whoever that is so yeah I think that's that's a challenge, but they were. You know especially if they were going to be in the four five and that'd be presumably, they're facing either. The Lakers are the clippers in the second round and. They were going to get. Those teams have full strength. A DENVER UTAH series. I might favored. In that series before this and I wanNA. See how they're playing. I probably would have to favor Denver, but I do think that Utah has done a good job of Peggy. Thank you again. Have the coaching advantage there Gobert a pretty good matchup for Yokich. So that's one I didn't could go either way. Will they be comfortable? Playing at forty feet above sea level in Orlando. Though that's that's the Oh, just quickly question about what should their closing line-up be? And should they be playing? Mitchell more at point guard paralleling what we talked about with the warriors tray onto the five day would need to have enough wings that they feel comfortable with it I. Don't think Utah that'd be they I. Don't think they have enough players there and I think Conway's better than the wing did replace him with so in circumstances sure but overall I. Don't think it's better for them. Okay? We got some news to get to here now. Quite a bit that has built up in fact, start with. With just some of the team specific stuff Ansi Puccio reporting multiple sources. Tell me that Kevin. Durant will not return for the remainder of the nineteen twenty season. That seemed like it was always going to be. The case doesn't seem like carries me back, either so nets are going to be about as toothless in the playoffs as we were expecting net, not a huge change there from what would have been expected, but does the chance for care sliver to build up his value at least yeah, it is, and it'll be a strange, little strange little situation for the mets. There's also the strange possibility that if they end up missing the playoffs, I believe. Believe the based on the everything. They would keep their draft. They would retain their draft. Pick that would. It would push the obligation to feature year, pluses and minuses. Each way on that was moved to Charlotte at the end of There are in their press conference on Monday. Mitch Cup Jackson them leak. Monk has been reinstated for those who don't remember. He was suspended in February for violating the NBA's anti-drug policy so presumably then he will be, he will be back in action, either with the Hornets or with somebody else. Monk has one more year because they picked up his fourth year option, he will next year make five point three million and then would. would be a restricted free agent if he gets qualify off. Yeah, WHAT A WEIRD SAGA! That whole thing was in Detroit Mellick rose who had been assistant GM under ED's fancy. He has left to go work at the NBA. The Pistons GM search is going to be extensive a lot of names involved. We don't need to go through all dumb. It's unclear whether that person will be above or below Stefanski in the hierarchy, but rose. I think we've seen this with like. Brandon Williams for example work. A guys will go work at the NBA. kind of as a as stepping stone for grooming into a next job in the league. Tillman for to the had. Had, a interesting interview with the Houston Chronicle, some of the things that were discussed the Hong Kong tweet his response about that was just read it his quote since there's been a lot of controversy about that in for tips, response and his relationship with Moore you good to hear it from exactly what for today had to say that there is the thing with trump? where he kinda joking about Gerald more being a good general manager at how despite all the trouble that he had gotten him into for tennis, said the tweet was seven words. There is nothing wrong with the tweet. That's why one later. I told the SPN wise ass or you're. You're going to get rid of Maury you crazy. Why would I get rid of Daryl for that tweet? I think Daryl's one of the best general managers in the League. Plus we truly enjoy working with each other. To this day we plan on working with each other and I. Expect Gerald be here for years to come a for two was also asked on the CNBC interview why he distinguished between speaking out on domestic and international issues, and his response was what I meant was I thought I made it clear that in America. We can say whatever we want to say. We got to worry about our government doing anything against us when we speak up. Up but we do have to worry if we're somewhere else about an authoritarian government penalizing us, and it could be penalizing you in many ways I was one hundred percent saying American citizens speak out on our soil, and nothing will help us, but not everyone has the same for instance. We have some including me when I read. It interpreted his prior words as it's fine to speak out about domestic issues, but not foreign issues like Hong Kong. That's how I read. It saw yeah, so he's attempting to clarify that. And then finally he was asked whether the issues with the hospitality industry during the pandemic will affect decision making the basketball side and says I don't. Don't understand why people would think that. The rockets operate totally separately. There's nothing more important than winning a championship. If I could buy championship, I would write out a check and do it I. Don't think Uniform Tillman but I've never going to let a player Ori Tax. Keep me from winning H., e.. You know what's fun. When somebody gives an extended interview and you think that they were on other things, and then you get an answer on another part that makes you that makes you question again. It's like Oh. Really, there's you if you could buy championship, you write out a check and do it like He. He has had the ability to make his. Small Enough Chuck Yeah. He's had the ability to spend money to improve the quality of his team numerous times since purchasing them and has consistently avoided that in the immediate now they've taken on long-term money through things like the Chris Paul Russell Westbrook trade very conspicuously, not raising their going over the tax season I tore them down for that during the eighteen nineteen season can read that at the athletic. If you WANNA, go back. based on the stuff that he was saying then so yeah I mean it's good that Tillman is saying that for Cheetahs saying the right things now, but I in very dubious because the track record especially on the spending thing is like we not. Not only is talk cheap, but his own actions reflect it reflected, so it's not even like when somebody says I'm going to do exits like I'm going to do. Even though I haven't done it in in the past. When my team was better and like could have was a heartbeat away for making the NBA finals, and we kind of do going to be going into the season in New York reporting that Tom does expected to be the front runner for that job. Hollinger and I talked about that a lot on yesterday's pods, so you can listen to that one a highly encourage it. Portland was the lone team to vote against the twenty two team format. They apparently preferred. Preferred a team, format and CJ. mccollum said that is in part due to what the players had expressed. Of course, they preferred a format that actually included them being. It didn't seem like it had to do anything. With the safety of having twenty two teams instead of twenty wards, tweeting that the no vote was because they believed that there were more competitive and innovative formats on the table, and perhaps that's because Portland really only has a chance of getting to the ninth seed here and then would have to win two games just to get into the eighth seed. I'm sure they would have much preferred like the world, Cup style group Stage two, which would have given them a? A much better chance so seems like this is mostly just we wanted the procedure that was most benefit us, although I wouldn't have minded something more innovative given where Portland is kind of difficult to really accept a much of that from them, so let saw the tin all this stuff here about what the term and is going to look like with the rest of the season is GonNa look like here got a bunch. A bunch of dates have come out one I, just rattled some of these off it, and then you can react to them, and we can talk about some of the financial stuff to came out in a good piece by bontemps and windhorst. The lottery is going to be based solely on games played through March Eleventh, hundred and I talked a little bit about that to really tm. Yes, yes, maybe maybe a good idea under normal circumstances while some might say. But so a team falls out of the playoffs doesn't make it who is try new be in this the seating games. Those Games aren't going to count J or a for things unless less, they actually make the playoffs, and then they're in the playoffs, and even Memphis which is in playoff position right now. Their record as of March, eleventh would determine their. Their lottery odds the, but for teams that do make the playoffs. The rest of the order will be determined by including the record of the seating games and the biggest thing that that affects is okay. See Day right and I wrote about this at the athletic on Friday that they have a pick that going back from the Jeremy Grant Trade that if if If, it is in the top twenty Oklahoma City keeps it and then instead sense. Two second round picks in the future to Philadelphia if it is twenty one to thirty than Philadelphia gets it so there. There's even theoretically possibility that Oklahoma City could could get to twenty or better in not change their seating at all in the Western Conference because Philly incidentally in. In Indiana or raped a them, so those teams win more that okay see, they could jump them without a seating shift that we could see a seating shift as well. I don't think that's enough of an incentive to change the behavior of the players or coaching staff, but it is a one of those ripple effects that could batter so I think you you. You kind of the way, there could be a weird circumstance. Where maybe they pull their guys for the last game of the seating games on the cover of getting ready for the postseason, and then it just so happens that losing that game make it more likely to keep their pick or something like that, so keep an eye on that, but we'll we'll we'll. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Uh, something else to mention on the transactional side of it is mark. Nice piece at espn today about what will what's looking like about a week? Long Trend Transaction Window, a lot of that is about getting teams up to fifteen players, and there will be basically you can get extra slots for players who are. Are Out for the year. Does the an opening for San Antonio, but there are players that are and are not eligible under this setting. Yes, so basically you have to have played in the NBA this year being under a training camp contract or been in the lead to come back on dry, talked about this yesterday to the pros and cons of this of. Of say if you're con-. You're overseas. Contract expired on July first four last season that you're not gonNA. Be Eligible to be signed in the NBA, but say someone like demarcus cousins would be available. He was on a roster this year, and so the there will be to bring in, but it's not unlikely. Be Any difference maker, so we'll put it that way. They're also going to open up a transaction window in late June. For All thirty teams, so even teams that had guys onto ways that they wanted to convert who are not going to be in the tournament. Those teams will still have the ability to just make some housekeeping transactions like that at like. For example, the heat did before last year's playoffs assigning Duncan Robinson off a two way signing Kendrick Nunn out of the G. League. League teams will have a chance to do that and to use their cap space in the same fashion that they normally would have been able to, so that's good in. It also doesn't give an unfair advantage to the teams that are actually going to be playing over the teams that that Arcnord play. Yeah. I I really support that then there will be some some notable decisions on the margins like Fred Katz Time Today about I. I think it's garrison matthews on the wizards. He would have to be converted off of to contract to be eligible for the wizards in the seating games and the playoffs theoretically, but or maybe yeah, just to be in the bubble I guess that's that's that's the line there, but doing that means that instead of getting a two way qualifying offer, he has to get the full MBA qualifying offer, and that's a lot worse and the. The wizards aren't going to do much anyway, so I'm interested in how teams make those decisions. Are they blatantly? Are they brazenly? Short term focused like hey, this this makes us the best for for the Games for the bubble, or do they look at and say hey, this is the best move for US beyond the dislike two weeks. Here are some other dates. We know that the draft is gonNA. Be On October, Fifteenth Perot Jr.. Jr last game of the NBA files is going to be October twelfth. If it does go seven games, we are starting play on July thirty first, but the play in Terni is going to be. August, sixteenth and seventeenth so looks like there will be a back to back on that if the ninth seed wins the first game, and in fact, there is a playoff journey dog, because remember you gotta be within four games for with. With the Knights of the eighth seed to even make their play, turney or playing games The first run starts on August eighteenth, presumably, whatever team played in the playing games would at least not play on the first day of the playoffs the Second Ron. Start September first conference finals September Fifteenth NBA Finals September thirtieth so basically every two weeks for every run, not going to be that different from what we usually get in. In the playoffs, and there's the ability to maybe move these up a little bit. If all all, the Ron ends early for some teams, so that's good to to get those dates out there. Let's see what else do we have here? There's the uncertainty. There was a tentative thing about how the next season could start on on December first, but I believe miss out. Michelle Roberts told the players that's not set yet. Yeah that. That seemed like just the League's initial opening position of December. I did one of the few things where they haven't really been in locks up on this. I mean all signs point to just being Christmas. That's my perdition. That's everyone's prediction that that's when it's going to start to have that. Be Opening Day, and that's a big certainly won't be later than Christmas think we can put it that unless there just other calamities or Intervening events. Yeah, or maybe if there's just the thought that like hey, we can't have fans on Christmas, but we could have them in January or something. Then it gets a little bit I'm okay few more notes here for Windhorst and Bontemps thirty me some exhibition games, but maybe just more scrimmages among teams that still being planned this approach of adding eighty eight games back into the schedule out of the two, hundred, fifty, nine that remained that was six, hundred and forty, five billion in player salary, adding these Games back in will apparently reduce the collective salary loss by three hundred billion Sorta I assume some of that is based on the national TV contract. CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA have national TV Games during these seating games as well so that's why it's. It's the losses are less than the proportion of games that are meanwhile would be my guest for that. there should be up to seven games per day over these three weeks in the August regular season. Although it looks like actually that'll be closer to two weeks. with the play in starting in August, sixteenth thereby even be Weekday afternoon playoff games when we playing three different facilities to stage games, but they're gonNA want to avoid too much. Overlap there, so maybe that's why you're going to see Weekday Afternoon Playoff Games where to be busy, then He. Wants should start, we will be. There are going to be minimal backpacks backs some possibility that there could be backs in the playoffs, even in isolated circumstances, but that I think is if things really drag out to the maximum possible extent, and they can't create a little bit more space the testing is I two in the League pretty high marks on this so far we don't know all the details of the procedures, but they're kind of trickling out. They're not going to be doing the deep nasal cavity swab. It's gonna be a nasal swab from the bottom of the nose or saliva testing, according to Shamsur be additional layers, production social, distancing temperature checks mass hand sanitizing sanitizing. Sanitizing surfaces and objects and stuff as well so that's all good and it really although there were some discussion to the country of this, it does look like this really is going. Be a pretty hard bubble. If you leave the bubble, you have to quarantine for ten days and you have to have to negative test. Shems reported today so that that's pretty severe, and it's again seems like players. Families will not be coming in, and they'll be subject to these restrictions of course until much later in the process I think probably until the conference finals is what was bandied about their so i? Think that really eliminates a lot of my concerns and. And for those who are saying, Hey, the league just like shouldn't be coming back at all. appointments made to me today by executive, which I appreciated that just compared to with the country reopen in most places compared to what players are doing in their daily life. Being inside this bubble is probably actually safer, overall and I think I, agree with that actually if you're when you consider that with reopening of players are finding places to play the that I've heard about with like random people at gyms, or or going to going to work out at gyms or just having normal social interactions or going to protests like all those things there's. There's a much larger risk from that then being inside this bubble and yeah, you're playing games, and that is a higher risk activity, but you're also doing it with people who are also constantly being tested and with everyone being tested every day. If there is an outbreak, hopefully, it's not going to spread too far before it gets caught and particularly spread outside of teams. I think you know if you look at for example what happened with Utah Rigo Bear Down, Mitchell both test positive nobody else in their traveling party at fifty eight test positive, and so that's not to say that you can't have more of a super spreading than that but that. That that was with no precautions being taken at all that you had that spread and Gobert, it was at least somewhat symptomatic, so he was probably at least four or five days in after being infected, so if you use that, as maybe not a worse case scenario, but maybe an average scenario Hamad spread, you would see after initially got infected I. Agree with that I think that the players probably will be safer being in this bubble than they would be just living their normal lives, not being on an NBA team out in society given the sad level of transmission that we still have this point I think that's totally fair. Okay, we can. Can wrap it up here. Thanks so much for listening Nice long episode. It's more fun to do. These are scheduled by the way since we know what we're back where you're gonNA stay on two days a week until probably maybe like a week or so before things are to resume maybe two weeks. We'll see just like if there's enough news if they're like preseason games to analyze that kind of stuff where we feel like, it's really ramping up I. Mean GonNa be at home I'm not going anywhere, so maybe we'll start that a little bit earlier, but I mean it's looking like this could be our only break until like you know end. End Of August of twenty one, so try to take a a little bit here and the US are before we go. Yeah, I had a couple things so if you haven't listened to the Real Jim Radio that it did last week with Curtis. Harrison was on the NBA in the history of activism, which I thought was a really good conversation also had a piece on Friday. Which I mentioned earlier in the pod On playoff seeding races that I find most interesting and kind of went through like my my own process that included some charts which was fun to generate for the first time. I've done that for the athletic also have the. The start of my solo off season preview series so like the one do each team. All thirty teams, thousand plus words those will start at the athletic. It looks like it will be between now and the next time. You and I record so probably Wednesday or Thursday starting with the Golden. State Warriors with the worst record, the NBA and that so those will be starting to roll We'll see what the frequency is. It depends on how much I could write them, but I'm going to try to hamper those really hard during this time when we have no basketball, because then life getting art. We'll talk to you later this week till.

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Champions Classic Instant Reaction in Indy | One Shining Podcast (Ep. 70)

One Shining Podcast with Titus and Tate

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Champions Classic Instant Reaction in Indy | One Shining Podcast (Ep. 70)

"Today's various special season. Opening episode of one shining podcast is brought to you by that. You'll take do you want an edge over Vegas? I certainly do it. Here's how I'm going to get that edge on aid is often. You definitely need something edgy. I'll take anything. You. You definitely need something to take the edge off. I think download Becky Welty the app you need to get an advantage. This gambling. Try gamely Tate bet Duke money line with Beck. You'll you can discover value bets line movement and find out what bets the public backs the best heart money line bet Q L is free to download with your mobile device headed back you'll dot CO and use promo code shining for your three day trial. Give yourself an advantage over bagels in download back. You'll that's that Q L dot CO promo code shining. We are also brought to you by God's gift the basketball, the Duke blue devils who just beat the absolute shit out of Kentucky. We witnessed it live in person. We are recording this right after the game we walked straight to the hotel. We're staying at downtown Minneapolis got out the microphones I and this is not a joke. Folks. I currently have my pants zipped. This this was one of the greatest nights of my life to witness this happen, and we're going to talk about all of the Tate is going to continue just with his mouth agape. Wow. Searching for answers that is what we're going to do. I could not be any happier than what what just happened. And we're going to do our best to talk about it. But I. Zayn williamson. Probably isn't he everywhere. All right. It is about twelve thirty AM. East coast city of. As I said, we are recording us right after. Maybe the greatest college basketball team of all time. Take town. Tonight. We have five we just got done watching and we made it back to the hotel. Like, we we take it and take it anymore. He's I had I have to get out here when Alex O'Connell check did take turns meeting goes O'Connell is going to finish this game with twenty points and he hit back to back. I'm done with this fucking TV watching on TV. So we walked back to the hotel that we were watching. We're watching the end of the game. And then we were just got done watching s VP Bilas and those two guys they've been brought to us. Yeah. That's the two minute segment. Bill is basically was like I have no idea. What I just witnessed what I just witnessed was something. Unlike anything I've seen before except for he didn't use those words, it was basically shook his head at all. And was like all right. Let's get let's get out of here Tillis did like the Merle code like I'm surprised there weren't more murders. That was attitude. He's like, I just witnessed murder, and I'm surprised they're more murders. Because that what the fuck it. I just see. But that's how you and I were the point of bringing up the Bill SAP thing, they were speech. That's repeated literally says you get paid to talk. And we had we can't find the words. I feel like you. And I are in the same position. We get paid to do this college basketball podcast. It's all going on. Yeah. Let legend the bags out there somewhere. We're searching for as all this is going on. We're checking towards John Kelly period. Entire staff. He's like we couldn't get one of those guys not one of them Tyler heroes. Like really, this is what I got from Utah tonight. This what you wanted to do it was tough. So where where do we want to start because with hero ball, which was Hanser? So you want to start with can tell you are do you want to compartmentalize it into like, I guess that's the first question is is do come away from this saying Duke is really fucking good or Kentucky sucks or both. Or what what's the initial reaction? It's got to be the Duke thing. Right. Like, that's obviously, which grabbing everyone's attention. But let's listen to whether Kentucky fans that we saw leaving the building distress displeased disheartened. Probably planning to disassociate themselves with the program what they just witnessed. I've never seen this many people look to Jack that when we asked him about it. They were like, you know, we are terrible. But also, I'm not even sure that we can even think that because there was no answer. Yeah. What what what is the three NBA players? I told you this. I can bring it to my church league team. We had three guys get kicked off our varsity team they'd just joined our team. And then we just started running through church league in ninth grade. Everyone's like this is unfair. Yes. Guys aren't supposed to be playing here. That's how I felt with Zion RJ and Cam and Cam reddish head probably the quietest what twenty seven points said he ended up having RJ Baird had to me the quietest thirty we have ever seen which is the most Duke freshman is ever. Put a Bagley had twenty five. And I thought that was unbelievable. When I first saw that looks like chump change to what is I had twenty eight. So they may want. Broke bags records. So maybe shouldn't have been the number one pick. That's what I would have had thirty four probably at least if dodgers was playing which was on Kentucky. They would've. Definitely one would have been the best player on the floor. No question about it. Oh, so okay. Let's let's get the Kentucky part out of the way because we are going to talk about Duke, obviously. And for me, honestly, the first half was about Kentucky because I was very very frustrated with Kentucky by the end of the game. I had I wound up and I realized okay? So do just that much better. Like, obviously like the blue. They were beating the shit out of Kentucky in the first half of you. And I were watching this game together. Remember when Kentucky cut it to eleven to sit. Right. And I was like okay here we go Kentucky's Ron and some offense. I think but I think cow cow purposely through the game in the second. If you're Kentucky. And here's how he's been in cow purposely through the game in the second half because he fucked up the first half strategically so badly, he realized they were going to lose. And he said if we get blown out. No one's going to blame me. They're just going to be like, wow, Duke is so much better than us. Because if you watch the first half, I mean for God's sake state going in. We know what does the one thing we knew for sure, what would we didn't know if do could if all these guys could mess. Well, we knew there were town. We didn't know if they'd. Yes. Well, we knew for for fact, that do weakness was their big is we knew for a fact that there are other weaknesses their bitch. Because they're top heavy. They have these these four freshman guys that are good shit. And then how good are the rest of the guys. We don't really really good. Yeah. As it turns out the. So so you're thinking all right attack. The big guys get the big guys in foul. Trouble. Dukes going to have to scramble. That's what weird thinking thinking you Akao Kelsey. I have just as good of athletes as yes, I'm going to beat them at my this is my game. These guys wanna play my game. Let's see what happens coach K has never taken these freshmen to throw him. He's never taken these kids. These to the fire like like, they're gonna see tonight. I got hagan's I got quickly. I got all this town. I got Tyler heroes. This is what cow thing before the game is giving a pep talk. He's like, you know, what we're gonna run the secondary break. We're going to be in transition. We got the we're gonna make these guys we're going to be fine. Yeah. And then. Look down at venues like we saw. His phone, and they don't suck. But like compared to the Duke wrote out. Yes. But okay. So he could have he could have helped himself like. How does it read Travis like not touch the ball in the first half? I don't understand. It's the one guy that going into this game that Duke fans were worried about because as we said like dukes big guys. Our question, Mark retrievers. I don't know how good he actually is. But he's not a question, Mark. Like the guy puts up numbers. He's played against great competition his whole career, whether he's should be a first round draft pick or whether he's just like a pretty decent college. I don't know. But he's not, you know, he's good. He's a good player. Right. And he doesn't take it post a post up. Yeah. And then every time everytime. You touch the ball. He drew a double team, which you think would be good like Kentucky Kentucky was Ronin. Some bullshit. Like it was like they're running. Reggie Miller off a baseline cutting action. Like, it's goddamn nineteen Ninety-seven or something with their offense Tyler hero for Tyler. What the fuck is going on right now. And this kid is like, I don't know. I don't wanna I don't wanna put him about. It's not his fault that it came back. They go back to the bravado. They spent Howard power to like this whole aura. Even all the Kentucky fans. I was talking to before the game. Like you re Kentucky strip. Yeah. Do like everyone all the Kentucky fans were drinking the Kool aid that Tyler Hera. We're calling them hero buzz until he proves that. He could be in here. He's he's Ryan Harrow Tyler Ryan Harrow until he becomes a hero. And so we're calling them hero. I was during the cooling because all the Kentucky fans. I mean, we're drinking the Kool aid. And I'm I'm seeing this. And they're like heroine is going to be one of our best players is going to be. And then you do comes out gun. I mean, it was it was John dealers freshman year. This is what we're seeing from Tyler hero and John John listens to the pod. So he's going. He knows exactly what I'm talking John's nine along. I don't know, man. It sounds like listening to podcast. He just turned it off this opening. But it's again, it was not as far I think that the. I was shocked us both was that. There was no answer for Duke in Duke the way that they were billed. We thought that they would be content with like, we're the cool kids we've been talked about gas. So we've been on ESPN. Plus, everyone knows about us, you know, about Zayn. No. But but they came out like the twenty fifteen team goes back to trade Jones entice Jones and the Jones family family the Jones, they know how to to be the general of team because trade Jones comes out. He starts this game early. It gets a nice little shy. Zion was the fourth freshman or the guys at score every single cameras hits the three the first four field goals scored by Duke. We're scored by the four freshmen and they were within the dolphin different freshman with the game. They looked confident and they made the play and they played defense. There are two things about this Duke team that jump out to me beyond just the talent. And what what makes it different from all these other one and done is his on jumping in RJ bear jumping because those that jumped out to me my goodness. It's dig they like each other. It's obviously like each other. It's a brotherhood. The brotherhood is real with this the they legit like seem to have. This is not a Tatum. Luke Kennard suggest that sibling rivalry is cheaper. By the dozen the other thing they play defense. My God might be marked. Yeah. The guarded though. That was that was kind of surprising that that I mean, it automatically was sort of like like you say Kentucky was trying to be Duke at their own game. So Kentucky thought we could Kentucky's game Duke is beating Kentucky echinacea game right in front of cows face Kentucky. Yeah. They felt like we could just I don't know. I don't know what the fuck they thought to. But that was that was something I'm telling you. He thought that it would even out. He thought that they had the FAA had just as good as three legitimate NBA. Like if you told me in twenty nineteen that the top three picks in the NBA draft where Zion Williamson RJ, Baird Cameron reddish. It's very policy. I would I would say to you after what I saw tonight. Of course, of course. Yeah. Why would they not like it's very so the the the thing we have to cautioned ourselves here is to not fall victim to hyperbole. Right dukes. Not going to go on a fee. Did they play ACC? I think they could go to feed if they played in the big ten or Pac twelve I really think they could. Yeah. Any? At some point one of these, you know, they're going to go to Syracuse or in Syracuse is gonna go play zone and then. It's gonna frustrate the shit out of. And then, you know, you're something like that's going to happen. They're not we don't need to talk about the undefeated thing. And then also costs going to have twenty five. I mean, that's the problem with this team is as I was trying to find a weakness I was trying to find a silver lining. The only thing that stood out to me. And it it happened early in the game Zion through this past probably what like six minutes, we threw it literally. Throws. Yeah. Behind the day. And it was just an excitement that he had because he was you could tell you so overjoyed be playing in this big atmosphere in the whole team was excited. And he was getting a little loose couple times. Like he's been though, you turn me, and you said zion's nervous. He's never played in front of acrylic this, and then I said. Turns out the nerve under his performance, it just meant that. He was like two juice. He he definitely was which I could see that happening in a game where like Zion just gets. He isn't emotional kid. You can tell them loves basketball. So juiced up. Here's a some journalism. Some breaking news for people because I I don't think anyone tweeted about this is this opening walking down into the tunnel before the Duke game in between the Michigan state a Kansas game. And the Kentucky game I'm walking down to the meteoric room to get some snacks throughout a snacks. First of all step your game up Zion. Shakedown exactly. So I'm going down there to get my snacks. Get my my refill and the diet coke as you do as a journalist and dukes coming through the tunnel. Kentucky fans are Boone I'm like crazy. Because most of the crowd was Kentucky fans and the do guys like to a man each one of them are turned and and they're saying, oh, yeah. We fucking love this. Let's go and they use that for eight. And I don't know I'm not one to judge. But that, you know, the we're talking about kids here, and they're just thrown around profanity like that it was a little alarming jarring. But then it kind of I it put me in this mode of like, oh, man. These guys are really upset and really fired up and ready to go. And I was watching him live on the court as they were running off while they were getting booed Zayn Williamson hesitated for the moment. And then slapped the the back padding underneath the basket. And I said this might not be good night for the Kentucky faithful that just fire them up because as a devil if you lean into the devil you go off hate. So do you think like, do you think they're going to have this energy every night, or do you think this is like night one obviously massive primetime game against Kentucky. If trae Jones was not on the team. Then I would say I could see them. You know, Boston College comes to town. And they're not right. They're not really game. But trae Jones they have the twenty fifteen team all over again. I feel like they had these veterans that have got him in place who know how to what to do. They know how to run the Duke systems, coach, K's pleased and happy and they've all bought in. And they all seem to be having a lot of fun. Like, even after the games is like, I just love playing basketball. We just tell you. If you be Kentucky about thirty or whatever I love that. Yeah. Oh, that's. Fun. Like, even Nick Richards would love that. Long game. Richards. Oh, Nick Richards. My boy. Does not love play basketball. I wouldn't have to let game. What what are the bright spots for Kentucky? The rice spots are counting Johnson. John Bradley Bill to Puno who's the only guy that seemed ready for the moment. Travis was ready for the moment. He just didn't get the ball the ball because don't wanna know Kentucky. Because apparently I thought before the game. I was asked you even ask Kentucky fans who who's going to start at point guard because you have so many guys from you have quickly brought in you got green who's already been there. And then obviously Hagans you got from Georgia last minute. So it's like who's a starting point guard. They put hagan's out there quantity greens going in and out. He didn't have thirty points tonight shock. No, yeah. Yeah. We're still waiting on that quality thirty point game that Cal promised us. That's like saying Brad's SE tournament. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't think that's that's what the people are gonna talk be talking about tomorrow. I'm guessing is that the first game too far, we need some Brad right after Brad gets red shirts announced that he's out for the year. Basically they suffered the worst loss in cows tenure Kentucky is that a coincidence. I don't think so is not anymore without Brad. That's a good question. That really makes you think you think Cal has registered his coaching for this year. The whole family, Richard hero. Yeah. We we know we know Meghan wasn't at the game tonight. Oh, yeah. The whole family's taken the year off. Maybe maybe it's just the it's a nice little break. You know, you gotta take a little sabbatical after that. And then see what happens on the other side of this whole thing. I think Johnson said after them I think quickly coming in. I still don't understand what he's not starting. I hagen's. Hagans like heroes going to have a game hero heroine. Sorry, I got to commit to the bit Herro is going to have a game where he scores twenty seven points. And then Kentucky fans are like see dumb asses. This is why Cal believed in him and started him and all this. I remember like it was against canasta Assis. S my favorite. I love it. My favorite. Yeah. I can tell you. I'm not saying this says anything about Kentucky out on the fact that cow. I think he put how how overvalued what he had any undervalued what he was going up against. But how how can you possibly like listen, I'm going to watch ESPN plus show. He didn't right. It's seven ninety nine. How could how could you? I I don't I tweeted this that we saw the combine results from Tyler Harrow. Right. He has twelve point four percent body home by the. He has twelve point four percent body fat. This is a man who had a twenty nine hundred vertical. He's he's putting up tight numbers. Right. He's six five. So he's not like particularly tall. It's not like he's six nine out there and could get a shot. How could so you know, these things he's a freshman. How could you possibly know that and still think oh, no, no, no? There's a way that he is going to be able to get a shot off on like four these four freshman at do that. Maybe he over thought it where he was like Kay knows where we're going to try to play inside out with PJ. And obviously re Travis it's open the game up spread these guys out. So we get dribble printer. Definitely he definitely over thought it in this regard like he he he was scared to go big because he didn't like he he he threw out a few big lineups. And when he did he they got towards on defense when they put PJ. Three. The head PJ Washington at the three and cows. Like, okay, let's try to go big and then Duke different circles around and he's like well now, I don't know what to do. And it was like well have you tried just like a traditional lineup, but take the shitty guys out and put the good players in because he didn't really try that and not that it would have mattered. So it was still going to win. But that was very frustrating trying to figure out who were the five guys that we wanted to see against them. And I think we kinda boated down to obviously, we felt quickly was good. He was sort of a headache. But he he seemed like he had at least had the athleticism to match up and he was long enough to bother trae Jones. Right. So we get him. We'll get Kevin Johnson. Who was gunning could score points wasn't afraid to get in the history Johnson. Yeah. And then the third guy. I don't know. I mean, obviously hero comes to mind. But I guess that would be who have to settle with their. But maybe you go even smaller and put Hagans Hagen out there and then put killed in at the three and then put PJ at the four and then put readers Travis the five the just tries to still small lineup. I mean because the thing about it is like Cam reddish in RJ. Zaylon all have garden skills. But they're all I think that was the ultimate. That's that's where I got a half time. I was really pissed off at Cal. Because I was like you are ruining this. What should have been a great game with your dumb decisions and all of this. And by the end of the game. I was like oh. It doesn't matter. This better known of this actually mattered if you could tweak some things and cut the cut and do quote won by twenty seven instead of thirty four or whatever was what do you think? Coach K. What does he take away from this game? Because coach K the way that he builds teams as we have to build to something. This is. That's that's the way that he's gonna always playing this team looks like the two thousand fifteen finalize version going into the tournament. As far as totally fence. Totally dominated game. Again. This is a one game reaction. I know we're overreacting the whole thing. But again, they beat a number two team in the country by thirty points on a neutral like I mean that right? That speaks for itself as far as hyperbole can go. I don't I don't know what you say to your team. I guess you say good game and you move on. But I I don't know how you like I don't know what I worry about what this team. The only thing he's going to take his de off their chest this year. I don't think they're losing the logo off the the practice. Uniforms. I don't know what it might change it to Z Hobie zoo. I think I think I think as d is going to be firmly on his players just all you season. That's tradition. Yeah. Tradition and unless. The only thing I can see is the trae young syndrome comes into play where these guys is December fifteenth. They're beating the brakes off everybody there on ESPN every single night. You start seeing people go home for Christmas. They're having you know seconds thirds everyone's excited. People people are gassing you up you go home like your ex girlfriend Vizquel was zoo shooting your tax, and I'm so impressed with everything's going on and Duke. So proud of you and you start to buy into your own hype. And you get ACC play and tied Jerome comes at town. Yup. And the you know what I mean? You know what? I mean. That's yeah. That's the only thing that I could see this team having any chance of them like going off by the wayside. But they had the talent behind them. Like, let's say Ardy has a bad game. Alex O'Connell can have a great game. Jack white was the star of the game for Duke early on. They had Jack white guy like fifteen offense of rebounds. And tip outs and floors gradings. Dude wants closer your dream of Jack white start with the four freshmen. I wanted to be the new hashtag brother hash take the brotherhood guard the white guy the brotherhood the the four freshmen in the white guy. It could be started. We're we're closer to that. Happy. Jack white was incredible. He was really really good too. That's what I'm saying. Everyone has already bought it in their role in Duke, for whatever reason, I don't know because they've had you realize them. So they had to you brought up tied Jerome. You realize that we are now at a position after watching this that the the two. If Duke has to be stopped in the SEC. It is going to fall on the shoulders, and listen, I loved hydro, you know, this. I don't need to explain it to you. I don't need. Explain it to listeners I loved hydro so much, but the idea that I'm more than me that the idea that the only way duke's going to be stopped and they used to see is if tied Jerome or Luke maye. That's the thing of sorry to see. Sexy Virginia tonight. We all know, we just saw it like even the Kentucky fans I walked out. I was gonna kill on a fan. And they're like, good luck. Like like. Sincere. We played them in November like hopefully, the committee will forget this game. And throw it out. They will not they do this to me Kentucky loss of one seat. I think Kentucky might have lost a one-seat tonight. I'm again, I'm not I'm trying not to be, you know, try not to fall into the hyperbole. But it's I don't understand like you lose by thirty four to do it. When the time comes even if Kentucky loses like six games this year, some five games in the Duke fishes third in the ACC somehow right at the. They're gonna they're gonna say. I mean, you can't ignore that. Right. Like the lease is going to be in that room. She's listening watching that game. Did did change the selection. How they how they select stuff. So maybe I don't know. Maybe that's one of the new rules is not going to give you one champions classic disillusion to thirty four by Q one win. I don't think. So. So what does this mean for cows empire because we went into this season you and I were lied to by cow. I think that's why I was hurt so much in the first half. I think that's why I was blaming Cal more than anything was because I was lied to Cal told us. This was his team. These were his guys these are not kids. These are we it was not of these kids situation with this team. He was bringing back the podcast. He was he was in his office talking about like, I I I don't remember. I saw an interview where he was just basically like very very excited about this team and believed in them. And we said this on the preview that we thought that the reason he was excited because this team isn't a one and done and he was done playing this game. And he's like I finally got like a team I could trust I can believe in and look what happened. So what does this is the podcast cancelled? The is the. The podcast is not cancelled. Because I think what happened was this is when the eighteen plays the team in practice. You know, we are the same team. We are doing the same thing. We have a mix of savvy veterans with some young hards that have a lot of talent. Yeah. We'll get to get this thing meshed together. Cow usually in his mind. He's like I want this team to be right by into January early February. He thinks that coach K is working under that same template. K doesn't have. Talented. It doesn't matter. Cows looking down at the bench coach K like what the fuck, dude. This wasn't the deal. What do you do? We're supposed to be playing like a pickup game. This is kind of sloppy out here Janney thing. Again. He's just give them a, wink. But he can he get barely wink is very slow. So what what is the status now for a as a Carolina fan that? We don't need to really waste a lot of time talking about Carolina squeaking by Wofford tonight. I I don't mean even that part but cover the spread as you're refreshing that game and you're seeing Carolina. Are they going to be Wofford are they're not? And then you have to watch Duke happen. Do you first of all this was one of the greatest experiences of my life? We I have said it a thousand times I team content above all else and by virtue of being team content. That kind of puts me on the side of team Duke. I just want great content, and my God, did we get it tonight? But specifically if I can, you know, talk about stuff that the audience will never experience just brag a little bit about how great it was to be meet tonight to be able to sit next to Tate as all of. This is unfolding was just a complete joy to watch. Because you weren't I will defend you. You're not completely do cater. There is a point where you were just like goddamn this is in credit, and you were like you weren't cheering for Duke again. I'm not gonna say that. Because then no crucified for that as well. Yeah. There's just like a point of view or your. I don't know you just you short circuit, it, your brain was just like, I don't know how to handle this because I can't deny how insane this is. But I'm also terrified that they're going to rip my team limb limb. No that that's under thought. Was Luke maye fundamental pumping. Arriving late in SAP. This door. So we get back to the hotel. Right. We I said earlier we put all this VP SAP. He's waiting for because they they throw straight tests after the Kentucky do game. So he's waiting for like the Kentucky like all the people to kind of get around. So he's throwing some highlights up before that. And one of the highlights was the Carolina game. And we're watching Luke bay shoot threes tastes like stopping who stopping that. You can't do can stop in that man. I mean, look at that. That's a triple threat position, folks. That's fundamental basketball. He's not moving his pivot foot call on those travel. That's for sure we know what we're not calling them in d'ombre or call them in Chapel Hill. Do how how's your RJ Barrett? Hey stocked. I he's never been the one that I want to talk about this team. You know, Canada basketball, I respected as a brand. I don't trust it as a brand. And so I've always had keep my distance to Canadian basketball players, usually. Well, is that is that xenophobic? Yeah. In a word. Yes. But it's not as the reason the reason I he his game is James harden. It's like I respect what you do. But it's not what I enjoy has touched. Zion has Phil Zion has bounced Zion has awareness. Zion knows what to do with the basketball. He can make any Passiflora. He made some of these bounce passes on the baseline like throat hit back to the corner to Jack white for three where it's like Leila. Is this guy? I mean, what kind of pure talent is that? And that's why I don't even I've said this billion times the twenty ten Duke was like when I look at John shirt like we saw the team last. I wounded the Pacers rockets game the whole Duke team is sent in a box more than I look at them interact. I'm watching everything that's going on first off coach K always has someone standing by him. Whether it's a player a person, and I kept on him. He doesn't move. I'm like did. They turn them off. Like, I think he's alone juice somebody plug him in. And he had a Joey bigger standing next to him. But as I'm looking at the team, I'm like, I really liked came reddish from the way he plays like this. This individual. This is not as unit of Duke. And I'm like, I really don't have any disdain at all for sign Williams. And I love the way that he plays basketball. I've already told you I feel about ties Jones entry Jones, I really respect how they play basketball. So it's like individually I'm looking team and then I see Nolan Smith. And I'm like, I hate that. So. That like version of and I don't know if it's like with age or whatever it is. But like that Duke team is so far removed that when I watched this tonight, all I could think to myself was as a college basketball fan, we have to get rid of the one and done all three of those guys should not be playing college basketball. I can take I can deal with enough area. Most I can deal with too. But the way that I am watching RJ Baird who could help the Atlanta Hawks Zion. Williamson who could help the New York Knicks and came reddish who could help somebody. I don't know. Yeah. Everybody. That's that's actually the big question. It's going to. Could be could donate. I think so pro here's a better question. And I don't know if I'm being I popped in my head as a joke, but starting to be serious 2015 fifteen Kentucky versus what we saw tonight from Duke initial thoughts. I would take this team. After today. I would say that. That's the thing though, too is like it is we should say it is one game. So I think we started this whole thing lead hyperbole. Well, it's getting do dictate it. I literally have my pants on right now. I'm not joking. So, you know, this is where we are. We've arrived is a totally different. I can't unlike anything we've seen. I will be honest that I I was I was excited for the Duke thing and I this season, obviously. But going into this game. I generally thought Kentucky was going to win. I did. I my favorite. I didn't think Duke was like bad. I just can tell you is favored. Yeah. That's the way you get like this is favourite in this game. This was one of the one of the most shocking results. I think I've ever seen in college basketball and not just that they they beat Kentucky not even that they beat them by ton. It was that they hung a hundred eighteen points further would this team beat the two thousand two. The notion history. Yeah. Because let me just tell you right now. Shame Batty is gotta damn problem hands and like Jayson Williams is back in the studio. And he's like, I don't know what to do with these guys. Like, I mean, even Jay Bilas whose wife a million do games over his time. That was that was. Yes, that was the mo-. It wasn't no watching. We're watching Bill on SAP. I think that was the moment. I realized like there's like a national crisis on her hands would like Jay Bilas get thrown on TV demand is paid to talk about. He's been the best at this for decades at talking about college basketball. He's seen it all he's also a Duke guy as we know. So you'd think there'd be like a little bit of energy not that he's by you know, I think I think j actually does do a great job of not being biased towards do. You think there'd be a little bit of juice flow in like that was pretty cool that my alma mater, just did that whatever and they throw them on TV. And he just looks like no my do. No my do. Yes. Yeah. And at that point, I was like, well, if Jay's never seen anything like this because you know, I like every other college basketball fan. I just follow bills his lead. Whatever he does. I'm like, yes. This man. So we'll shit of J dozen though, what that they that. How how the hell am I supposed to figure this stuff out? So I just ended my pants and let the rest to happen. I don't even think like I think this is testament to the to the game itself where? We just saw in the NBA career throw a ball in the crowd guy after guy just tried to go for fifty points. And I thought that was like agreed. I was like that's just like a little much. I get what you're saying. Like, it's bullshit or whatever. But like, I get it. But like still like really like that's just the NBA who cares. But if someone hangs like someone's up, thirty points on you, someone die. If Kentucky let's flip. This Kentucky did this to decay. Alex, O'Connell stone, elbow Johann Gerald coach K is the man that said I mean, I don't know why he had to start in there. Anyway, when Jodi has it through the elbow guitar hands, bro. And throw them the gambling. This is what has been said. They're up thirty points in like even K was trying to get guys off the bench and again, avocado. Let's go ahead and wet and threes. Like, he didn't know how not to beat their ass. He was trying to be nice, and Cowan his players which made it worse because it's like, I don't know John. I'm trying not to beat your ass. I can't help. Kentucky players weren't like trying to fight him. Or like do. They were just they were do you wanna do do? You wanna do like baby boomer talking head basketball analyst and make the case that that can my day. We just never getting blown out. Like, it does some small part of you think this is troublesome. That Kentucky did didn't really have any fighting. I'm not I don't mean literally fight. I mean, just kinda did rollover to. I think that's the respect thing is what I'm talking about. Like what kyri did he's like the nuggets are not better than me Jamal Murray's not better than me. That's disrespectful to do that. This moment. So. For Kentucky tonight. They're like, I can't believe you're doing this to me. This is unbelievable. I don't know. What's happening? But damn do. I respect it. Yeah. Because you have to because you can't there's no other way to look at it. I mean that t- what they just did tonight. I'm not gonna say I don't know if they're gonna do that every night. No, damn sure. Looks like it. Yeah. I don't know what they did outlandish enough where it doesn't seem like they could replicate it every single game. Like sure they hit the early one thing. They're not going to replicate is you're not gonna have every team fall into that trap of like, we don't know who you are. Like, we know. So now the next team that plays is like, okay, definitely do not try to run with Duke in any way, shape or form. This is a possession game. Yeah. Yeah. So I think like that part is that's not to say that anybody's gonna hang with do. But it's they're not going to average one hundred eighteen points a game. That's not going to happen. We know. So it's not gonna look quite like this every night. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know how you stop. I really I in the it's not even how you stop them. Again. I go back to the two things that are crazy to me. Because I thought we had sort of a template for how these Duke seasons go with the one and done, but but the the two things that usually happen that are having. But this team is one they all get along. They love each other. You could like see that in just how they're interacting and being there in person during warmups just how they're deafening. I don't know. It sounds like bullshit. I don't mean to be the body language Dr here, but like they really do seem to genuinely like one another and to they play defense on day one on night. One is the trae jet guardian. Oh, yeah. It's the Jones family and not even Jones. That's what's going on with do. But even know dude, even the twenty fifteen team didn't play defense until like February. But trade is was always defensive guys were like, oh, I guess that'd be cool. The the greatest thing the Jones family ever did was they got Jalil Okeafor Justice Winslow to care care about basketball at the same time for three weeks three weeks bed. That's credible. It's like a lunar eclipse. And it worked out perfect. It worked out perfectly. And then they never cared about. It is like a psycho. Now that was twenty fourteen fifteen right? That was the year. Now, we're twenty eight like it's four years. I guess the college cycle to the new the final four is in Minneapolis. Do the Duke loves the apple this is they love Minneapolis. And Indianapolis played in Indianapolis tonight. And they looked really good. And and maybe the funny, Minneapolis. Maybe this is just their city. Yeah. Indiana thing do they play an ever that. We could get back on coach case trying to do the John wooden where he owns Chicago. He owns Indianapolis, Minneapolis soon. He owns side during we're we're we're currently on tour for our live shows. And we'll we'll do a recap of all that later because we still have one more show Chicago. We don't want to start gasping ourselves up yet and Taco Bell. I've seen John wooden everywhere in Indiana. Yeah. Sue as we're on on the live tour. The one comment is Tate loves that every single town in this state of Indiana. He's everywhere. You just have to conjure up in order to show up. It's like win set. You it's pretty true. Indiana state claims Purdue claims martinsville, Indiana, claims them there's the John wooden statue in downtown Indianapolis trying to think of what went to the bathroom at your house, and it was just a standard John John wooden and took a piss ear nineteen sixty seven. I was like my goodness. That's been around that long. But that's been Indiana. That's been fun. So what else do we have to talk about Duke and Kentucky before we move onto the other game. My final thing we don't really need to talk about what we're contractually obligated contractually obligated. My final thing just about the fallout from what just happened tonight. I wanna see what happens with like, basically wills? I on will Cam radish. We'll RJ bear will one of those guys like think on the one. Yeah. Like, I'm the RJ say I had thirty three the most of the Duke freshman and now like on the guy right because they didn't play like that tonight. And none of those guys that I mean RJ took every shot, but they didn't have to also there was never a moment world like it's not a Virginia. More like at sixty six sixty right now. Right. And is up. We have six minutes left in the game. And who's going to get all? But the thing is what we're talking about though, is we're even we're we're paying we're building this hypothetical that they might lose one game. You understand what I'm saying? Like, we're talking like what will it take for them to? Lose one game. And that's the terrifying things because. Okay. So even if they lose one game cool now they're just going to beat everybody else by thirty and win the national title still. And now they want to get like because they're not going to go into feed it that's not going to happen. I'm pretty confident that I don't know if I see them do this a few more times. Maybe I'll walk that back. I always say this. I I've never I never believed that twenty fifteen was going to say undefeated with the Kentucky team. I was an SEC when I was down. I'm just saying like, I never I never ever believe in undefeated teams, usually I mean, even two hundred and seven with the patriots. I was like I for whatever reason I think the giants are going to beat the midnight. Because perfection is so hard to chase on any sport in anything as someone who had to perfect seasons in his life. I know what it takes. So because the only team that I can I can look at identify say they have every single thing. I think that is possible. If everyone stays how to go undefeated. I only reason that the only thing that I think hurts him is that they played a rivalry game. And it doesn't matter who's on the floor and do Carolina game. It really just throw the records out out, folks. It's down. Have we been good enough this year to beat these bastards? And if we have thank goodness. Dunks all over us. And that's pretty much where it's at right now. I hope I hope that we can save the nation from an undefeated Duke season. But right now as it stands, I would not be shocked if we aren't going to try to them, I'm not going to let it happen. They're not going to undefeated. I'm telling you, that's the that's the thing though, is that that's my question to America. Because again, we're recording this right after the game. We haven't had time to calm down really think about it. But the the question is America saying like what's the hurdle for Duke is undefeated, or is it just a national championship? Because if we're talking like undefeated, I think it's not really that crit like that's not going to happen. So we know it's not like Duke is that invincible. But if we're talking invincible in the sense of can anybody stop these guys from winning the national championship now? That's where I'm starting to be like, okay, I'll buy into that. I'll I'll buy into the hyperbole. One name comes to mind when I think about that. Yeah. Mac mcclellan. Yeah. Had to Duncan. I see only guy who can who can out highlight Zion many clung who can get in his head. He's like why does he have more likes on Instagram than me? That's the only thing I can think of so maybe Georgetown, Sweet Sixteen matchup. Pat, you ain't gonna Ceylon met met. Have you have you ever dunked that don't? Seen it has four million views on Instagram. I actually do have one team that I think could be Duke and would be if they played actually right now. Yeah tonight. Yeah. Well, yeah. The Golden State Warriors not tonight because they they both just played and they'd be tired. But I am. I'm actually really liked Kansas tonight. And they only would they kind of blew it. And they let their foot off the gas, but Kansas abreast the held a male night. She would do you want to talk about Kansas? I do let's take a break loves a nice little tease for where we're going to because we agree. But we both watched to start really man that was a good doesn't get look basketball team that looks like a deep enough to make a real do came on the floor. And I was like, I don't think throw it all out, folks. I watched the we watched the first game of the season. And I said to myself Kansas the best he must, you know. Get that joke. Do you get it all season? Yeah. Get it. Because it's the first game of the season. I had already watched Chris Clements highlights. I think I think the camels are let's say, let's take a break. And then we'll come back, and we'll hit all things Chris Clements. All things. Devante gate out all Fletcher McGee. And of course, all things Kansas. Great to get a word from Seekie getting tickets online can be far too complicated with hundreds of sites and varying levels of reliability it's hard to know trust. That's why seek is the way to go. 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This is the wildest take that I have from the night that I don't know if I actually believe in it, again, if if this turns out to be stupid, let the record show that it is like past one AM here in Indianapolis, and I didn't have time to sleep and think this one over, but some small part of me still came out with a nice, however moment for you. Yeah. How ever I'm head. This is a very hard hard. Hedge? This is Tony Bennett impressed at how hard is some small part of me. Does think that Kansas might have a better team the Duke? And the reason why is because like Duke is obviously top heavy. They have more talent as joke. Yeah. There you go. I saw Zein up close. Look at look at us. We're trying to tell you about kids were back on. Let's let's turn into Nick ward. Okay. Okay. I wanted to say I did I did walk down during zion's warm ups and got us close to the court as possible for one sole purpose is to see this man of close and figure out if he's fat, and I came no closer to find an answer. He's very very thick. There's no question. His neck is like he's got the thickest neck. I've ever seen in my life. As one set about LeBron James his ankles of the size of men shoulders spigot as. As we're talking about Zayed's body parts. I got a got a message from someone like someone who listens to the pod a friend of the program. I think I I hope I don't know some guy. Israel me message me a half time. It goes we need an emergency pod right now Duke is going on to feed Zion has the biggest dick. I've never seen. Genuinely. Excited that was described it. You know, I it was good. So back to the point. I was originally making Duke is is obviously loaded at the top with the three the four freshmen, we would you know, I I hope people are including trade Jones. And if you're not you're you're watching you are watching because it is four watching videos, and you think Matt McLaughlin is the best part of the country, but Kansas Kansas deep is home in there. So deep in. And so I'm I'm watching Duke. I'm watching Kansas. I'm thinking about like dukes, probably better. But again, like the dukes kryptonite to me is depth. I still don't believe dukes deep just because they're off the bench played well tonight. It doesn't mean they're gonna play while every night. Like, that's not gonna happen. They're going to run into problems with that was that a shot of rank of a little bit. I don't necessarily trust Frank Avik. I don't trust Alex O'Connell it'll come in and just knocked down threes. Like oh into and then and then the big guys. Yeah. That was the quite like, we didn't like Marcus Bolden. I mean, God love them. I. I'm not sure he looked better than Nick Richardson. That's for sure that's one. Plus, I would give for bulletin, so, but but Kansas those big Kansas has oh my God bouquet Lawson were incredible. And they were just abusing Michigan state. And I'm thinking I'm thinking of this world where they get dukes. Big is in trouble, all of a sudden like RJ Barrett has to guard like, you know, Dietrich Lawson or something, and and that's what's going on. 'cause Duke just is out of guy out of big guys to to guard. I I was kind of conceptualizing that. And anyway, I came away. And I was like, yeah. That's that's a world that I because we we looked at Kansas team. And it's like every single person knows their role on their team already their policy him. You can tell that they exact they exactly know like who should be playing these minutes. Okay. Mitch Lightfoot because as a bouquet just got a second foul with twelve minutes left. This is what we're going to do to roll these guys in. And we got this guy McCormick. We're going to bring in because we didn't give Dietrich a little bit of a break. We got cage as gonna come in. Oh, did we forget to Sosa's on the bench and? Notable bounce back. They have the front line. And they also know what the rotation cards are due. And then the guards I mean, you have Grimes who is probably the wrong. Player in the grand jury. Kid. Hey, can shoot you can play the two you can play the one, and then Dotson is a point guard. That's feisty. He'd matchup with trae Jones. You can already tell that. He's one of those guys that wouldn't be afraid of the moment. So all that kind of checks the boss the question the problem was legit Vic because somehow he's also that let's Gerald Vic is Gerald Gerald, Gerald. It is where's the law? We lost Ludger old Vic and Gerald Vic is now it's suppose, so you probably going to me the reason I guess like this mall part of my brain thinks that can just might in a weird way the body better team is because Kansas fits the mold of what a great college basketball team looks like they they are perfectly. I I I have watched college basketball my entire life. I've seen what a great team looks like Kansas. Looks like that great team Duke takes the mold breaks it over its knee says fuck you and throws up a middle finger as and you're like, I don't know what just happened. But that was awesome. I really liked that. And that's why like my brain can't process. What that is yet. It's obviously great. It's obviously awesome. But yeah, I don't know. That's I I think that might be how I arrived at that point of thinking Kansas kinda reminds me the same bolt one time. And it's like they have the picture of all the other sprinters, and they're all like in this line. There's like one or two guys that are that are in front, but they're still all in the same race. But then they expand the picture out. And you say ends up here. Right. And that's sort of how I feel like what this race is in college basketball where like Kansas, North Carolina. Like all these teams are like right in this nice little pack, and there's few teams are a little bit ahead. But college football, dude, it's Alabama. It's like they have broken the system because they are. They are different. They are just naturally something that Taylor level the discrepancy there like they were up above like, they were basically an NBA team at this point. Like coach case position was basketball. Yeah. Go S two thousand two coach K about position get out get out. Yeah. That's exactly what he would say. You know, Brazilian lesson lesson is terms. But that's the crazy thing about due to me. And that's why you're right about Kansas. Kanaan's looks like the two thousand nine national championship. Right. You enroll them out to college basketball? You're like that's a team that would be great. So they wouldn't win it against the real national champions the two thousand nine, but but they do fit the mold of a team back. Then Duke is playing in twenty twenty three right Now, Dan in coach K like doesn't even know what. Twenty three twenty three means. Yeah. Because again, he's on low juice someone please plugged them in. Yeah. That's pretty much it. It was a little worrisome Kansas did like let their foot off the gas. But I thought the final score if I can use that phrase. The final indicative of what had dominated the whole. I thought there was never a point where I thought Michigan state was going to win and then includes three weeks ago before the game started life 'cause with Michigan state. Cu like if we can talk about Michigan state for a second. Are there any NBA players on this team and the ranked tenth in the country? How is this happening Nick ward better plan, the NBA, Tom Nick ward, I think he needs to blame the time to talk about the Nick ward problem that we've been talking about for two years on this program now that you can't bench him. Now. I think it's at this point. It's beyond a problem because he is somehow billed as the best player on the team. And when you watch the team he had his jersey untucked three minutes into the game. And was hands is one of the object is those yelling at him like come over to the bench. Let's talk tillman's on the veggies. Like I can go in like, I'm totally ready to go play. They put him in. They look a little bit better. They started to make a little bit of a run word comes back. And it's not really like it's just more sloppy than anything would word for me. Just watching them play. It's like Tom Izzo was a guy that teaches exactly what he wants you to do. And he commands demands, and we talked about a being back, and he's yelling and Nick war to do that stuff. Nick word this look so disinterested. So I don't understand why he has so much faith. I don't understand it. It's it's maddening to me to think that this man, it's almost unfair to him to build him to be what he doesn't want to. I listen I'm going I'm becoming crazier and crazier with how I talk about last year's Michigan state team. So I'm just going to go. I'm just going to dive right in and go I'm off the cliff at this point the Nick ward costs national. I'm like tell you that to that extent. No. But it wasn't that ESPN. Her photo ward. They'll listen is a. No, it's it's it's insane. Dude in Abu gay heads so much size advantage on word. So, you know, if you're award defender, you're first of all you're having a very easy, if you're defending worth of all you better be talking about TJ ward. Yeah. And not Nick word if you're defending Nick ward, congratulations. You probably block the shot if. Is your name as? Now, you got him as a boo also the entire time. When I was like, this is amazing. This is great. How do we know? That's how you knew bouquet was playing. Well, because they start saying his name, right. Really? He went from Harrow to hear told him. He's like say his name wrong for. But if you're making excuses are finding reasons Nick ward play, well, you'd say yet there's a size discrepancy to which I would say so it almost feels like Nick ward cannot play the center position on a on a national title contending team. Is that what you're telling me because I told you that last year Tom, you knew this last year. I was trying to tell you this bring his ass off the bench. He can't guard ball screens. He can't move his feet. He is not in good shape. He has one one move to score the basket ball. He's a he's a decent play generous. He's a decent big ten basketball player. I don't understand it. I don't mean to kill the guy. I don't it's like again, we have to make these clarifications because we're talking about college sports, and they are amateurs, technically. Taste. So this is the narrative nickel not the person. I'm not killing Nick ward. He's doing the best. He can I'm killing Tom Izzo decision to. It's just it's baffling to me how he just just believes in this kid so much, and but he's it's too. It's gone too far at this point like he has to because like if you look at the roster like actually Nick word probably should be played. And you're not wrong because when we walked into the tunnel the champions classic. They have the four faces of the programs, then you're probably saying to yourself. Well, I mean, probably for Kansas. Right. They, you know, we're probably gonna put I don't know. Maybe Quinton Grimes up there. Maybe do kaput Zion up there. And maybe, you know, Michigan state. Oh, put Nick ward up there. And you get to the fact that all the coaches are up there. So these are coaches decisions they're the face of the program, we can use their likeness. They can profit off their likeness. So what's pointing out Tom Izzo? You could started to six eleven Jaren Jackson who ended up being a great pig for the Memphis grizzlies isn't a team that has now doing pretty well. And they'd be a and a guy who had been the perfect five four modern. College basketball that Duke is trying to break right now in malls bridges is basically a walking dunk highlight reel for real perfect for for college basketball. Right. Not a four and then be right now under team with Jaren Jackson star the five would Nick ward off the bench playing this current Duke team. I would like that game. It's great great game. It's interesting throw Nick ward in they're not so interesting I game. Well, Bolden comes into. Yeah. I don't know, man. So Nick were. Yeah. Again, I feel like we're killing him up. But he just you do these garner bouquets putting arm bars enemies file in and they just had no answer for them all night the Michigan state in. I guess the ultimate point is like why was Michigan state ranked tenth why are people believing in this team? I mean, they have no it really sucks for the big ten that. This is supposed to be the best team that the big ten has. I mean, for God's sakes. Can I can I talk about Indiana for second Indiana has two players better than anybody on Michigan state's. I generally believe this junior and believe you put your on mortgage on. Oh, I think it's devante green. I do love the mcroberts. Oh, yes. You put Romeo like for or Joon Morgan on Michigan state. They are the best player on Michigan state. And yet Michigan state is ranked tenth in supposed to win the big ten and I'll use like oil. We don't know. Let's see I don't know. But that comes back to the far as a preseason rankings because what's going to happen right now as we're gonna get and you brought this up. You're like, we'll be the no you asked me you go. We'll do be the number one team that country unequivocally. Yes. To me how how are they not the number one team the country after what you just witnessed fair? I asked you like halftime. But yeah, yeah. But I I'm now I definitely like now, I'm not asking you. I think of course, they're going to be in a month. Yes. I wouldn't even say like that. But like, I think we had other media people chiming and said there's no way because Kansas the end number one. They didn't lose. Who cares? It was made up in the first place. They just beat the number two team in right number two team in the country by thirty four points. They're the number one team in the country through all these rankings out. Michigan state. They're probably not gonna have anything. We haven't seen Ohio State play. We don't know. We have to. Let's wait and see approach date to be fair. It's like it ahead of ourselves. I don't get it. I just don't get it. I don't understand these rankings. I know that it's all I know Cincinnati has never nineteen number as basically spent the entire night just staring at the wall thinking like all right. So Duke is going to win the national title. How do I come to terms? I have five months to get to this point of acceptance. What what what are these next five months gonna look like for me? And I'm sitting here just cackling with my pants on. About all I really can think about is. You know, if there is an upset in the tournament, and they do meet one team like Washington or Syracuse or some team that runs zone. That's the only silver lining. I can find in this point when I'm thinking about do. But also like I said, there's no real hate for this team because I do respect the fact that these four freshmen who have been gassed up by every single person I have talked to they have handled it so swimmingly. Well, how the hell do you guess up the freshman like this? But then don't gas up the team house the team ranked fourth when each individual guy on the team just hill. But then the team itself is ranked fourth I'd come into this game tonight. I don't understand what was it a reverse. Can I can I just make a note we're back on again? We can't help it. If we just get to this point. We are back on can we talk about the environment, and the the the champions do you were very upset about this. And I first of all you make your point then I'll defend you because it's going to cause preface it by saying what you're about to say he's gonna soundly hater Tate. And I actually will back you up. But go ahead. There's no, hey, the whole point of this process is we've been driving through and seeing all these towns and seeing all these people is that we wanna see and be with the people of college basketball. I was very excited to go to the champions classic. I had never been had no reason to go because whatever reason Villanova didn't get invited. Carolina get invited. You kinda give fight it. So I was like, oh who's planning this? Yeah. I mean, I guess Kansas Kim play because they'd be at least they win the big twelve every year. It's got a funny the champions classic have dukes won two titles. And or yes since what like two thousand dukes three titles in the twenty first century since two thousand one. Yeah. Michigan. Eight one one since two thousand early in the twenty first century barely barely move. Please. Thank you Kentucky's. One one in Kansas is one one that just kind of I don't know. That's kind of funny because. Yeah, if you could do like, Florida, Villanova Carolina Yukon, and you're looking at the champions classic twenty nine titles. Wait a minute. What is the champions classic first century? So that's the starting point of. Hey, it's so dumb with eight. I came to this event. I was very excited to see these teams play. And I walk into the arena. We're getting people tweeting at like the Jumbotron before the game mind you folks, it's empty. This is six fifty to tip off is at seven for the first game. I haven't seen one Michigan state fan saw guy with a green hat on. So I guess fact, defacto give him a point for Michigan state. They all start kind of people start coming in overtime people were tweeting up at the Jumbotron like this feels like the final four. Yeah. I can't believe that the atmosphere here in Indianapolis. I'm like are these actors who were sitting in these two what is this? What is happening? And the only thing that was sad about the whole thing to me was that there are no students here. This is college basketball student zero students. No sous action. There's no there's there's just no, no. As like, there's no cheerleaders. But they don't play music during the game. At least the name me, and they'll play music or something. I was I was saying to you is like it's just so dead here. It's very dead the entire time. Even before the Kentucky Duke game when people are excited the most high people got was booing Duke running to the locker room does most of the night. And that's the point is because I think that it was definitely a dead atmosphere in you would say we'll neither game was really that. Good. The Michigan state Kansas game got good for twenty seconds at the very end when they heard hit a three I think to cut it when they cut it three. Yep. And then you're like, oh, okay. I'll finally pay attention and get excited, but the atmosphere is it. But it wasn't because of the games because I will test to this that we were there for the Duke Kentucky, the the warm ups the place is packed. And I didn't really they're just like wasn't the you can't quantify. I know. This sounds like this isn't sites a core. It's a corporate event. Yeah. But it wasn't a buzz. Yeah. They're just like wasn't like a a vibe of like a big game vibe other than. You just saw people on their cell phones, taking pictures Zayn Williamson and those closest you got to like, oh, this is a moment. This is something that have about the happen one way or another here. So maybe the guy was right with the final four thing is that he didn't mean like the play on the court. He meant the corporate bullshit. Where all also why wire why are we doing this? What's it does kind of suck? I came to the Jamie's classic in twenty fifteen no fourteen. The the year the Kentucky team went undefeated in and they beat the hell out of Kansas. They played Kansas that you're and I guess I didn't didn't notice it. I guess I was just like so excited to watch the good. But I don't know. I came back this year. I was I was just like you. So that's why I will defend take because I know people are going to grill you and be like your salty that Duke one Carolina wasn't there. And nothing it really was. It was more sad for me because I came into this because the final four is much you made that joke like we went to find four million is buzzing like outside actually. Yeah. Not necessarily in the game because it's just such a big venue, but like outside people were excited. Talking about basketball people are walking around. It's like a it's like, a basic a gathering of the college basketball brass come which I sort of expected here, but a minor version of it. I haven't seen anyone this was an NBA event because they had all the NBA scouts there. Yes. They had the I mean. Yeah. That was it sucks. It really it really did. Because I I've never seen in my entire life. Any event have twenty thousand people there and be completely as dead as that was not even basketball like any event. I've never seen that many people be that dead all night to defend the fans that were there. I mean, I there was it wasn't like it was all on you to make noise because there was nothing. Yeah. You feel so far removed from the basketball for whatever reason. I don't like binker. Spill we went to a Pacers game the night before it didn't feel like that. At all says, it's a further away than we did tonight more. Yeah. It felt more people there too, by the way. Exactly. So it's not I I don't know why feels that way. But it just doesn't feel like they're very connected to the. The polls of college basketball. It does feel like a cash grab and in a time where we're all talking about you know, money and all this sort of stuff. That's like the topic of conversation is really important is important as unlike space cash like yours space cash. This is the fertile has it somewhere. I know he has it this way. John Williams hit cameras RJ bears. Show us the space cash. Release the tape. So how do we fix the classic ended? No, we this is a great year to do kill champion champion, give them. The crown do took a behind the shame. Do they ain't a banner? It'd be nice champions classic. We had one radical ideas. We're spit balling because we were bored of shit during the day. A lot of free time these games, we we had the idea of what if they cycled through the home arenas of all four of these teams needs played the doubleheader. They're like how insane if they played both of these games at first ones that are up after this giving up first one. Yeah. Ever up like if if if next year, it's do Kansas opened up the for its Duke Michigan state is though opener and the N Rupp arena. They played rope arena. And there's another game in its Kentucky Kansas in marina right after that. And then the next year they moved with coach K would never agree to that. Of course, he'd be like is that a true road game will not this year. But maybe next year. We'll be that's Cameron. Yeah. There's probably logistic reasons. I could never I think it's called money taking. Yeah. And that FedEx box or whatever box that they have that. They want th- that fear suck dude. It really did. But in India, which is such a basketball plates. That's that. That was like what hurt my heart. I think. Yeah. Because it's like, I some part of me is responsible for this. And it's not I don't want to take responsibility. Because this isn't my phone. I want to go to all the people that paid for tickets and came out and supported and just do the it's not your fault because it really isn't. Because you were trying to do the right thing to support this event. And the teams are great. It was a lot of you know, the talent that was on the floor was amazing. But the atmosphere does not fit the billing of the towns, which I did not like, that's it. I have my other thoughts. My straight thoughts. Number one at the pretty much all about mixed the Michigan state link for justly for learn how to shoot. Yeah. Hit some shots tonight. That was good for. Josh completely busted look in jumper. Yeah. Going in. He did not Fisher. It's the ball like way on front of his face. None. But that's. Okay. Whatever cash. Just Winston hard to tell kind of night. He had a lot of turnovers wasn't hitting shots. Like, I thought he had a good game his plus minus. And I was like he did have a good game. But I think I think he was trying to do too much out of necessity at times. And he's fine. I I I've come around on him. I cash is is there. Right. He's our best player. Right. Exactly the problem. You're three headed monster of of Langford caches, Nick word, and that's how your team operates and in mcquaid around right now. Yeah. Mcquaid leads is going to lead the country and falling being on the ground for no reason whatsoever. How finding his way to the ground. I don't even necessarily diving for loose balls. It's just like he tripped. You just kind of fell over each like pushed over. The towel guys started union against Matt McCoy. Mary sue guy. That's like has the wife of this weather. Like, I hate my nightmare. He looks like Matt mcquade at all. I think I've used this joke before but it's worth repeating because I was expired tonight. This man every second he's on the court. It looks like he's either fouling someone or getting fell. He's got to be the same. Yeah. You never know. He's got to be the toughest guy in the country fishy. Because like, I don't really know. What it looks like he's fouled every second. He's out there. He moved here. They have their officials convention, and whatever I don't even know if this exists. They just have James harden tape tape. So those are my those are my Michigan state thoughts. I think cash is going to be okay. Because the big ten it's going to be terrible in Michigan state will probably be okay for that reason as well. But they'll be fine. They have and they fought back which was good. Get that was. Yeah. That was that was good. And I I believe in Tom Izzo Thomas owes back. I said that in the preview podcast coach tonight showed him. I still think back. I think the problem is Michigan state is not back isn't team. But is those back, but the team is not back. So just remember that March. I don't know what it means. But that's where I stand right now. This is November. This is only. What else? Do we need to say? Before we go. Chris Clemens forty four points in overtime in a win over. Devante cock how I did not watch that game. If I were to build a redo anything in history right now, it's never come to the champions classic every day. And and go to that game and watch Chris Clemens in boys creek, North Carolina. You're not your job. Does that if you could redo this night and know how the night would not have gone to the game? You would not have gone to these games tonight. You would've gone. You would have say here in watched. Carolina wofford. Yes. Absolutely. We'll say been the entire time until I watched the Chris Clemens overtime period to to to recap Duke. God's gift a basketball. It is you know, there there are times in my life where I know God is real. And this night was one of them. I I don't know what we did deserve this as a species. But it's it's the space cast is as cash. But it I'm just glad to be alive at this moment in time because it I I had it hyped up. My head of what this might look like. And it's everything I dreamed to beta you, remember the guy that went to Saint John's God's gift at you. Yeah. I think Zion to change his name earliest changes middle name to God's gift. 'cause like that's the greatest name. I really wanted that gotta be amazing. You'll be like thank God. He's got. We should look it up. Someone will don't even bother tweeden us. We're going to look it up as soon as we stop recording the pilots, but he has a pretty sure he has a brother that's coming up. That's actually pretty good because I was I was going through the recruiting rankings. And I came across what's his name. Moses says gift. Yeah. No, dude. He's got he's got like a compl-. A similarly it's like the best name ever. It's like Lord's prayer. All one word like, it's. I don't remember what we're we're gonna look it up. But anyway, Duke is great Kentucky. You know? We're back to these kids. I think with Kentucky tough tough year coming for Cal. But I wanna bring Brad back. That's my new that's been new campaign. I think Kentucky comes back. When Brad comes back because he did warm up with the taste up. And where's the jersey? Come back who care like don't don't don't send them out. Let them play in Kansas. I I think Kansas is really good. And I think I think Duke beating the shit out of Kentucky's the best thing that could have happened to Kansas because they're going to lose their number one ranking we were talking earlier, we won't Bill self to fly under the radar and then he didn't fly under the writer, the FBI came knocking the they got the number one ranking and suddenly they're thrown in the spotlight. So this is good for speaking of which we did see the breaking news that the FDA is. Now, the FBI has told the NCAA that you can now start investigating this stuff and dish out sanctions. And all that. And for that news to break on the same night that Duke and cans. This dominated. On this in the same city as the NCAA's headquartered is just sometimes the world just makes too much sense. And that was incredible. That all those stars. We're pretty sure that everyone ended up office was watching that game. And they all texted the back to the FBI had said, we're monitoring the situation where does watch the game. I want you to do. Ted's an idiot get Doug. He was going to wait. What a dumb ass. That's it. The season started its here. We're going to be pumping out pods regularly. We still have one more live show tomorrow. And Chicago, Chicago, we're very excited for we're going to recap the show when we get back to LA and we have some downtime, and it's not the champions classic Duke isn't just destroying the world. We will talk about our our experience here on the road because it by God, what an experience it. It's been. It's been great. It's been great times. We we have a lot saga about Bobby Frazier and Robbie home will tomorrow night in Chicago. So if the but sold out, so there's no, I don't know why we're willing. We just want to point out is that a mood like if you sell something still supposed to promote it to like, we're not promoting it. We're just saying it's happening. We're gonna talk about it. We're going to bring it up. So now, we're not some stories from Robbie Bob we've been asked this. We are not we are not releasing the shows that will we didn't record the shows. We didn't record one. We didn't record him to they wouldn't have been good anyway to listen to. Podcast not the not the their interactive. There's video clips and all type stuff and this crowd interaction. So just for you to first of all, I'll say this as a podcast reducer. I'd no you don't wanna listen to live shows. I know that I don't wanna listen live shows. And I sure as hell don't wanna add it. I don't wanna listen shows when doing the live show so in. Yeah. Not that are pot is good to listen to at any time. No. We're not saying that this definitely would not have been saying. This is my stance as a podcast would against live shows. We will be back whenever we're back the season is here. It's exciting. It's dukes tunnel to lose those of you who are on team content and t- blue, bud. Like, I am it is it was a fantastic day of basketball. There's more to come. We hope you stick with us all season. It's going to be a ton of fun. And yeah, that's it. Someone charged up coach K for God's sakes. He deserves enjoy this one until next time.

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Biggest Draft Busts in Warriors History

Warriors Off-Court

29:18 min | 1 year ago

Biggest Draft Busts in Warriors History

"Wilkins to the San Francisco. Chronicle's can be a podcast. I'm your host turnout and joined by Bram hills. Men Host of the words huddled podcast during our conversation reflected on the biggest draft busts in Golden State histor- Brampton so much joining me on the podcast. Feels like it's been forever. I know it's only been like a week if you become a regular on the podcast of this point because I think you're phenomenal guest. Be I just lost like hearing the voice of a close friend Starting to go insane a little bit. How are you handling scoring? Well you do. I can associate with that. And the reason why it's felt like forever is because time is moving through quicksand right now every single day. She was like Groundhog Day. It's it's like a Saturday that I have to work through seven days a week so I don't know if the last time we spoke with like three hours ago or a couple of months. My daughter's good to hear you. Just say that it's good to hear. Your Voice. Yeah normally my days move pretty quickly especially with this job. Travel all that it's like. I can't pack enough time into the day and now it's like how is it only pm? It feels like it should be eight. Pm Like I've just been sitting here all day. This and I'm sure this is not why you called me but we literally we had. We had worked on in our backyard. The reason I tell you that is I find myself literally watching grass grow. Today I went outside and was like oh I wonder if our laws go in and out here for like seven minutes so yeah it's entertainment is is at a premium. Let's say And just to kind of tell you where. I'm at in quarantine. Today I wrote a thirty in story like an almost thousand words story on a guy on the warriors gaining squad who has not ask minutes for the gaming's period game Anywhere like this ask. Also it's kind of interesting and look at crabtree really Nice Guy. I think is story deserves to be heard but normally that is not something that I would be able to prioritize thousand words on the gaming squad which you sound like it was like a crack scenes who cannot get on cracks smoking. Anything you can. Possibly you know put into his fights. There's no basketball necessarily to write about. You are phenomenal writer. You need something so you're just writing about whatever the hell is around you. I mean you the worst. Pr People Call Me and pitch ideas and now at this point. I'm my bars. Pretty loud black. Hey if if it's something that I can write tomorrow then I'll write it because I have literally nothing else. So give it to one of my professional goes. This week was making an analogy between crack. So I've gotten there whatever happens from here. It's all I I've always been wanting to. I've always wanted to be compared to crack Ed. So you can be my life bowl burbs to bears winstone my friend. I'm here for you So part of you know our content search I. It doesn't just stop with the The written word and it continues and spills onto the end of the podcast format. And so we've had a fun time or the past few weeks exploring different conversational topics you know you and I had a really good conversation recently comparing The ninety six goals two thousand seventeen warriors which I thought was a Lotta Fun And I figured since there's so much pattern speculation about what the warriors are going to do in the straps. It'd be a good time to step back and remind our listeners. Readers that there was a time when the warriors were infamous for botching the draft and not just like a late round pick. Bartering bossing lottery picks Because they were in the lottery every single year. And you know that's kind the reward for having a bad season. Is You get a hydrophobic but they continuously and repeatedly not capitalize on it and just looking at the list you know before we got on here. Toters is there. I'm not sure there's a team in the NBA. That has more legitimate BONA FIDE. Bus Been The warriors. I grew up a blazers fan so I'm well acquainted on the art of the bust. You know We all know about Sam Buoy. Larue Martin All of those guys. Nothing compared I don't want to hear anything from you Blazers Fan. I will tell you right now. Just having to go through. This is causing me remarkable. Ptsd I mean. Like having you described your. They had all these buses. Like having somebody come up and remind me about all the other girlfriends I had in my path like I remember it. Dude I was there and I'll say as far as this is concerned. I am not sure if I'm more apprehensive because right now I don't even watch the news. Connor I've been trying to be optimistic everywhere. Trying to keep positively in my life going through the warriors past driving. Is these opposite of Venice. But I'm also excited because of where they are and it's such a great illustration of Warrior Fans Aren't bandwagon fans. This is nasty stupid ass misconception floating around there since for apiary going through these people seeing who we rooted for and basically sold out Oracle for. I think we'll help cement all of that. Yeah definitely and So basically what I did here is. I have a top five list of the warrior. My personal top five list of of the words biggest boss a feeling that we'd overlap so we'll go through that before I do that. I have a list of five players. Better the honorable mention love bus. And when you impressive that these guys could you crack the top five? I start to stop what you do. Not Want your overall cakes When you hear these names Amir the and again if I start to cry just just fight writes but okay Joe Smith Donald Spoil Owens I IAGO and Mike dunleavy junior okay. So let's take him from the top Joe Smith number one overall I remember feeling so excited for him and then ultimately he felt like a power forward and can only shoot miss thirteen footers. It just wrote my heart who is never to doubt affoil. I called La Boca. Because he stepped on the floor inexplicably. He would open his mouth. I felt like he must have had the dryest ton of all time a good defensive presence but I also remember we selected him over Tracy McGrady and at the time I desperately thought we needed like score and we went with a safe pick from colgate. And it didn't work out for US giving number three Billy Owens. So Billy Oh. I'M NOT GONNA talk about. I have love in my heart for billions. And there's no real good news in fourth that loves BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON. I I I'M GONNA stand back from him but you're next to fired me up. GimMe Gimme for like the I was so excited for him out of Out of Arizona state I think he went like number nine when he came to us and when he did he wished that dude who everybody said. Oh the warriors got so lucky. He's back in the basket score. He's definitely going to come through. He did not. You did nothing for of a number five one hundred percent remember because I hated him for so long General Manager. I with kills me kills me. I've been the practices and I see him there and he's Lucky. I don't just like sucker punch him. For no reason. The he might levy heads skill. You had poise. But he didn't have heart when he played for the the thing that really remember that that sticks out for me about my dummies careers. I remember him. Getting pissed off catching the technical ripping off his Jersey and throwing them into the fans and the stand because he was at home gave him a standing ovation. 'cause it was the first time and you're showing any card at all at also one. I actually went to the same high school as he's significantly older than maybe you know how it is when someone star player at the high school. You know you're and I was like I idolized him. When I was a Kiddie I used to go to games in high school and I just thought he was a guy he was McDonald's. All American he was the best player we'd had area in a very long time and I really looked up to him and I. It was really fun watching them win the national title and do and watching him kind of blossom into the player. You'd be you know and then to go number three to the warriors and really big deal so I followed his career after that and I was just. I was like what happened in this guy. He's just I honestly I do. Think part of it is the dysfunction of the warriors you actually ended up having some good years after he left the warriors with Pacers. Such say I will not have you say this. I just dropped me through an emotional roller coaster where I was no longer. It'd be a fan and then you acknowledge his pro career and now I am like when you were close friends again and now it seems like the push me away again. Don't we don't need to spend this time. Praising just to put things in context for a second he was the number three pick in two thousand and two in June or whenever the draft is words will have a top five pick for the first time since two thousand two and Oh and if memory serves I think decision was yell Ming and Jason Williams would number one and number two two people like they've the warriors desperately needed a point guard and a center is what I remember and then ended up with my d like well no son of a car. Real Salad played with coach k. And then he came in and was just heartless encounter. I cannot wait to hear your top five before you give them to me just because I'm looking at this liquor. Pdf and these other people may not have made your honorable. Mentions you might have. I throw a couple of a couple of words into the end of the MICA FOR SURE. So people who we may have forgotten and I think will not make your top five I'M GONNA go with Mikhail. Peaches Air France number eleven. He was a remarkably disappointed. And the thing that really stuck out to him with how confident he was. And then how none that confidence translate itself onto the floor Patrick. O'brien number nine zero five. Okay I want that in the next. Guy Anthony Randolph. I had the biggest crush on him. Kind of you can possibly imagine. I thought he was going to be like the Allstars all-star like all NBA. He didn't get more than twenty minutes. A game under under an alias is still playing Out there somewhere. Update Charles Jenkins. All of these names are unbelievable and taking me back to a place. I don't want to be conversation brands. Men Right after the break. Hey Audrey Cooper here editor in chief of the San Francisco Chronicle and we've ramped up the news coming at you from fifth emission except not the physical that the mission since we're all working at home the fifth and mission. That is our flagship news. Podcast were interviewing anyone with anything to say about the corona virus so that you have the latest information as soon as we know it so check it out. Fit The mission. Wherever you get your podcasts. Do it who are your top. Yeah so number five. Is Russell Cross? Who was the number six overall? Pick in nineteen eighty three Just to kind of put this in context when you're when you're evaluating a bus important to look at who they missed out on right I in choosing that flare so they could have had Clyde Drexler. They'll else harper a new poll. New Poll ended up being aware down the line but they kite drexler. Daylight Hours Just wrestle cross who I mean you remember a better than I do a good player but didn't really in the NBA. Y- let's just go ahead and say I definitely do not remember wrestle cross which only backs up why he was a terrible big wrestle. Maybe before my My wife him And I'm I'm looking at here perjure university and as far as the people he got picked ahead of. I can see why he major. Oh Yeah I will say that before recovering this team and started looking at some of the CAP bus a couple of years ago. I had no idea who he was just to put into context. More about how ethically horrible he was. You know he honesty. Maybe should even be higher on this list. He was He only played one season the NBA average three point seven points per game only totaled forty five games in his NBA career. Ever has a number six pick drafted ahead of Platt Drexler. So you can't really have a worse career that I mean factually accurate. I hear I will. I'll give you a ray of optimism. Had they worked out that pick if they had taken Clyde Drexler way back in eighty three then. We would have been without Chris Moan because I probably wouldn't have taken two years later and he's one of my favorite players of all the time so you know they I'll add We'll call it the The silver lining of the dark clouds and it wasn't it wasn't like he had any major transgression. I got him out of the week so it was just that he was so bad like coming out. Lake Anthony Bennett number. Pick a few years ago two thousand thirteen by the cavs gotTA Name Court. Everyone could see that he would had no future in the NBA at all and it wasn't like he was a bad guy. Necessarily it was just like you literally can't play so Anthony Ben. The also must have been strangely fat despite being a professional player which always shocked me about. Ab there's been a lot of players like that. Honestly next one is a name you mentioned earlier. And He seems infamous Among words fans because he's relatively recent people remember him. Patrick O'Brien's Patrick O'Brien and in case you forgot that's a bryant. Was the number nine. Pick in two thousand six. He was I believe a case of recency bias. He was a lumbering stiff. Who Played for Bradley when when Bradley had that shocking running simply tournament and sweet sixteen and he had a couple of games So he went from being not even on. Nba teams radars to suddenly being a lottery. Pick and of course. The warriors being dumb at that time decided to use the number nine pick on him To put it in context. That could've had all bill sap. Kyle lowry day RETTIG or John. Rondo AH did these. All of these names hurt my heart a few things about po be one. I hated the nickname O. D. to he had just unnecessarily long face which I thought was strange and finally three. He always struck me of quintessential guy who must have been superstar. Taught early in his life and then coaches forced him to play who never seemed like. He enjoyed his time playing basketball. At any point he was out there and we watched him not really care for the better part of a couple of years before he just disappeared. So yeah I I remember field be unfortunately well yeah Over his two year career with the warriors you never averaged more than one point. Nine points per game in a season Never played more than twenty four games in the season And that that was definitely the knock. I've heard through the train far out about him. Is that his. Lack of effort was borderline historic like he just literally did not care He would not only not walk up the court he would. He would like the court he was like barely move his feet. It was It was impressive. I mean it was not impressive. It was the exact opposite of and it was as depressing as anything could be impressively bad. But that's very last name that I know you guys are all familiar with just because he is ethically bus. The is Todd Fuller O'Brien. Pick the number eleven pick in. Nineteen ninety-six not keep in mind nineteen ninety six. It's considered one of the greatest drafts. Mba history And he is look at that draft. He is one of the only players in the top. Half of the first round. You have a great career And I mean like all start create. That's how loaded that draft. So the where's could have had Kobe. Bryant Steve Nash. Jermaine O'Neal he's just it says they had the man the missile legend Top-four Outta NC state another ambreen staff Who was waived in the League by eight twenty? Seven Todd Fuller was the reverse Patrick. O'brien so todd fuller. I bet you really really wanted to play basketball super early. And unlike Patrick O'Brien where coaches solomon-like please play and they're just force them to. I think todd fuller came in there. Like all you'll probably be good and it catches realized. No you're terrible like we should probably you probably play some other sports. I remember him coming in and try and super hard and despite his effort just being awful is kind of thing like maybe I should be in the NBA. If this guy got drafted at eleven I shouldn't put my career on a different path. Fun Fact About Todd Fuller In fact about todd fuller he He was he would to Charlotte Christian School Which is also the Alma Mater of one Steph Curry I have been destroyed Christian with Steph before and walking on the hallway. There was a picture hanging up of todd. Bowler like he's still. He's obviously not the pride of throat Christian. The Way Steph curry is but you know they were repin todd solar and They're just reminded me that the same school that produced one of the big biggest bus whereas history is also the same school that produced. Probably its greatest player. We had Steph high school coach on the Podcast Way. The held back in the day and we asked him. What was it like to cousin then when I remember him saying well. We never coached anybody like that before. And since and when he said it I had alleged that fuller had gone there. And they'll secrets it. Fuller isn't in the same category steph curry but for the coaches the basically just not even mentioned the previous. Nba Guy. Before Kinda say everything you need to know. I feel like the way to call them and And found out. What would coach had to say So so next hour list and I might be mispronouncing. This gets the four time Sir Cyril Baptiste. That is that right. I mean what? Who's time is this? What YEAR IS HE He was nineteen seventy-one. My right well. Thank you for asking me how I pronounce it. I mean what do you think you're talking to your man. I mean you're you're right. You just had your. I feel like I have to be like eighty five. They'll to give you Big Staff Mr Dis. But you know so. I don't have a lot of takes immediately on him. And I'm a little bit obsessed with some of these other guys didn't make it to. I feel like Abby Anthony Randolph before INFO. About this guy you don't know about him you understand why he made it. He was the three pick in nineteen. Seventy one He the warriors to the had us a slew of of of actually wasn't a great gas that they could have much better players than than Cyril Bac East who Literally never played a game for the warriors because should have been with. Us banks around a good thing. It's a good thing. I feel better. Question Rob Programs and finally got released two years after he was drafted without playing a single out. That is impressive. Number three pick. He couldn't even play a game so You would think that we've exhausted. The list Single Franchise can have because a lot of these guys. We've already talked about where epic bus I mean for someone to be the number three pick and not even play a game. It's hard to do worse than that. But Alas someone did and I think you all know who it is Chris Washburn and let us leg that as we started doing this I guess I turned a scotch like I'm drinking man. I thought this is GonNa be fun and now I'm kind of depressed. He just depressed right now. You just like Sobbing into your drink right now. I might be and I don't need your judgement. I mean it is what it is and and I'll say as far as Chris Wasp concern and I know you have an unbelievable list of stats and the people that take them for. And I'm anxious to hear it. But in anticipation of this I. I did a little bit of research as I try to do. And the thing that pisses me most about or because the off most about Chris. Bosh maybe not as drug habit. We're not the fact that he didn't play more than like seventy games were the warriors. Got Him that if he had panned out even halfway he would have joined. Ren TMC you know and there's there's this sexiness forensic and see that we've all talked about and enjoyed that the practical reality on them they never got out of the second round. Well you know what they needed. They needed enough at Center. And if lost had just been a fraction of who he was supposed to be then we might have had a modern day real deal championship shot and as early as nineteen ninety. Maybe eighty nine and we got you know what all of that which sucks man. So what I'm learning from. This list is that new offices for the warriors apparently did not do their homework very well. I'm to these guys whereas people Because the book on Washburn is that he had epic red flags all over the place before he entered the draft. He ran like deer physical tools. But if you talk to anyone close to you as an incredibly troubled and had been enabled his entire life He was the drugs and food. Remember he was a big boy L. Pedro testing three years. Fourteen rounds of Rehab Played only forty three games to the warriors. Twenty nine for the Hawks and then was out of the League by the age of twenty three So he was a number of three pig in nineteen eighty six where he was going to have Dell Curry which pay. In retrospect that'd be a cool story right. They had Dell Curry Dennis Rodman per person or mark price. Who had a very good career is one of the best shooters maybe a history and former warriors. What my price ultimately became aware later in life At at well past his all star status. Yeah I mean everything who's just had only reinforces how amazing it is kind of where we are now. You know who the hell would have seen this. This dynasty rising out of the ashes like finding a diamond ashtray with this happens And and going back through these people just highlights that yeah I do think it's worth revisiting this this list from time to time whenever especially in the season like like this one where everyone's frustrated and down in the dumps about how rough it was he could always be worse. You can be dropping the Chris Wash Burns every year and I know I know people. Some people have been critical of how Bob Myers is done in the past years. But you have to understand where he's been drafting haven't had a better than number twenty eight since two thousand twelve and you look at historically the draft twenty eight and later it is very hard to find value The dream on Green. The world are not very common You're much more likely to get Jacob Evans. Diet in the hungry type at that point in the draft and so. I'm personally excited to see how bob handles drafting this early in the draft for the first time in his front office career You did draft number seven over twelve after he became the GM took care of some barnes. We be sure not a bad. Pick at seven I mean probably could have done better but you know they. They ended up later. Taking thirty with thirty is good value. Had A couple of years Andre Drummond address to I think they they don't remember. Germany went right after it. Eight or or went right before but I remember that was. The guy went out of that draft on thirty and in the mid thirty s thirty fifth. Well what you were. Underlining is people who are taking shots at Bob Myers now. It's like complaining about a free Porsche because you don't like the color it's the of entitlement. I understand did he hasn't hit every single. One of these these picks out of the park but he's hit enough of them out of the park didn't enough of what's been given to him that. I deserve nothing but trust yeah I completely agree and you know this is GonNa be a really interesting draft because as as we talked about there's just so much uncertainty at the top No there's no guy on in this draft. There's no tim again You the number pick I simply. They're gonNA take Anthony Edwards but he's not a survivor thing. The way a lot of number one picks are and they're much more likely to get the number five aches and the number one working percents doing the number one pick and almost fifty percents again the number five days so. I think it's number five pig anyone's guess or they're gonNA take. I think it could be higher Italo burden icicle. Curro any out of Israel Those are the names. I'm hearing but You know they. I do feel confident. That they're not gonNA take a top bowler type or Washburn type. Because you know it's all about the leadership then at the end of the day. Here's the Cherry on top of this podcast. And and this is the the perfect backdrop for it in the past. We had a series of gyms series of leadership positions filled by people. You couldn't trust so going into a draft like this. You'd be terrified because you knew more than anything. They would make the wrong call. What we have now is the exact opposite. So do I know who I think they should be targeting? I know and there's so many different permutations to this draft order that I don't feel like anybody really knows for sure who the most talented person coming out. But what I can say is I trust this front office to make the right call. And there's no more important than you can say and it's not always been true where this franchise so it's fun to be able to say for sure Graham so much going as always I agree. I really appreciate it when we gotTA GOTTA set up one of those walks. You're man I need to get. Outta Aspen often getting a little bit of cabin fever I can't wait. And that's continue to have podcasts about really depressing topic yeah You know I'll I'll I'll definitely wrack my brain and then maybe we can do an in depth piece on ways perfect. I'll be here good stuff. I appreciate it. Thanks to Brim Hills men for joining me on the PODCAST. It was great to hear his historical knowledge. On the warriors franchise awkward is a production of the San Francisco Chronicle Support Warriors off in the newsroom. That creates by signing up for a chronicle membership s chronicle dot com slash pot.

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15 in 60 Special: West Movers at the Deadline

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

1:13:58 hr | 1 year ago

15 in 60 Special: West Movers at the Deadline

"Finishing up this fifty and sixty talking about the West teams that made moves at the trade deadline. I hope everyone had a chance to check us out on. Nba Dot Com. Doing the live call of Grizzlies and clippers today. But now it's back to business as normal with the Denver Nuggets. What are their fundamentals pleased? Any the nuggets are thirty nine and eighteen. They are currently tendon. League net rating plus. Three Point six eight than offense and twelfth in defense and not a surprise that they're going to make the playoffs there is a difference in the yellow versus after protections but will look yellow ones for now that Predicts that the nuggets win fifty four games which is just above a big batch other teams to actually finished second in the West behind the Lakers. Yeah and were. They are right now the lucky for the second consecutive year at least through lot of the year. They actually normalized pretty well at their point differential last year. But if you look at both their number of wins over there point differential and then also some shooting lock that they've been experiencing this season. They may not be quite as good as the record would indicate here At least over the course of the regular season. They've had a lot of injuries that they've dealt with but at least in terms of the guys that they put on the floor. I think it's fair to say that. They're lucky to have as good a record as they do. Yeah I I would say that. That's fair and one reason why they've outperformed their point. Differential is that they happen very successful in crunch time. Nba Dot Com to find this as games was in the last five within five within the last five minutes. The Nuggets are twenty three and twelve in those games they have a plus twelve point five rating which is eight in the NBA for those that. Nero section minutes notably. The nuggets are top ten in both clutch offense in clutch defense so that. That's something positive. Moving forward. There are some teams we've talked about in various phases that are relying more on one end and they're not doing that and I also pull stats Yokich. He is using about thirty two percent of possessions in that crunch time. And that's you know not super high for player as good as he is. That's about twentieth of what it is super high for a big. Yes that's very true. And but not a super high but so thirty percent usage is up there and but he is at sixty percent true shooting. So that's above the league average for normal game but you think about how things can tighten up and as a point of reference. I pulled up all the guys that have a sixty true shooting or better that are around or above his level of in the country and the only guys that are really above him are Joel. Embiid with a remarkable seventy two percent true shooting on thirty. Eight usage hardens at sixty five percent on thirty eight usage. Josh Miranda Sixty one on forty percent usage and then right around the same level in terms of percentages de Ngelo Russell sixty percent shooting on thirty eight usage. Actually significantly higher than. You'll get to there but as you said the big small differential is not. Yeah now they did have a clutch failure in the game right before the break that we did for the NBA cast against the Lakers. And despite Yoku with some of the crazy place that he added me he added that great one legged right leg fade away over Rudy. Gobert in that game right after the break when they were totally shorthanded due to all the trades as we'll talk about but the crunch time offense to not look very good against the Lakers and again we'll Barton was out. The Michael Porter was out. They've had some issues but it was really just reduced to a and also part of the problem was they had to really get defensive personnel on the floor to deal with Lebron and so it was just Yokich and Jamal. Murray running pick and roll running. Handoffs the Lakers started switching everything and then bringing the second big in to guard Yokich. When he rolled to the basket and Murray wasn't able to really beat that strategy Yokich was able to beat that strategy. They were really to slow getting into their sets to where they could take advantage of some of that switching behind the play and so that too big system the Lakers really cause them. Some problems with a lot of it was actually they played ad at center some during that period but Lebron was the guy coming in behind Yokich unease actually when he's really locked in able to handle him reasonably well and so I think they scored I maybe like one out of eight seven or eight possessions in overtime and ended up. Losing that game at home to the Lakers. So I I do have some concerns about what this team is. GonNa look like and in the clutch in the playoffs last year as well that when teams are really locked in some of the elbow game. If Yokich can't just post up and score they don't have a ton of places to go. What have the newcomers looked for? These guys Denver's newcomers. Haven't done a whole heck of a lot Jordan McRae playing about nine minutes. A game has been in four of them so far. And you know D- can't do a lot in in nine minutes a game and also mccray that brought him into maybe to be another option in the on the perimeter. He's already twenty eight and will be restricted the summer that we will have a minimum capital. So didn't the nuggets could bring him back depending on what the prices is. But I'm not I haven't been the biggest fan of him when he was in. Dc No von Lay. It looked more like he could have a role while base. Employment is coming back with families back so finally really played in one game before plumlee return and it looks like he's out of the rotation unless there's another injury then Keta Bates job has played in two games and ten minutes. A game was playing seventeen and a half in Minnesota and Tim Conway and the and the crew. There are going to have a decision to make with. Kabc because he's non-guaranteed until July seventh but it is a minimum deal. And I thought he showed some showed some signs in Minnesota so it wouldn't surprise me if Denver just kept him around and they could also potentially. If the team was interested they could always trade him after that date of it as long as somebody's WANNA take guaranteed but. He hasn't played a lot for the nuggets yet. So that's more based on his timber wolves time rather than his Denver Times. Yeah and he's got a non guarantee for next year. Kpd can just kind of ease into that. Maybe they can do. We can just kind of relax and He'll let them They'll pick up that third year option. Is that even remotely ascertainable of like the joker trying to make there was that is that a CD thing yes yes. In Colorado to now products are legal everywhere. Apparently and it's diop key. Yeah that's right diop. It's not it's not Sagawa job. It's Kid I've read that mistake before. That's why I remember But the exit polls broadcast disabuse me of that of so these guys just ultimately have to get healthy porter. Ah Let me let me bring up is back after the break. We'll Barton is beg everyone Paul Bill Sap but yeah I really WANNA see how this rotation is going to shake out now. Some of these new guys as well. No Hernan Gomez no Busy yes I wanted to finish up for. Absolute mention is one of the arguments which I made and still believe at at the time they made the trade was to keep Beasley even if it could potentially lead to getting nothing for him you know if another team makes an offer sheet that strong enough declined to match is just have a have a fail safe in case. Gary Harris doesn't work out in harasses providing value on the defensive end of the floor to be sure but if this if his jump shot is just gone or at least Gone Long. Enough that its concern. Then it's going to be very hard for the nuggets to fill that gap. Because now a lot of their talented young players are becoming full salary. Jamal Murray exciting that extension which will kick in next year's a great example of that and then it'll kick it it'll kick in and so that's a weird kind of opportunity cost the idea that you don't have a potential replacement but I especially. We'll talk we'll talk about. Beasley the Minnesota section leader on. I've been struck by the idea of that. Yes they got a first round pick for the combined comedy for the combination of Wacho and Beasley but that player you know even if they wanna try to use it in a trade. It's going to be harder to actualize that to help the current nuggets and while they're young and you could argue that their best days are ahead of them. I don't know if it feels a little bit weird to be. Yeah well their best days might be headed them if they are willing to get really expensive. 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Since the last time we had the fifteen sixty they are dead. Last in net rating Nine point six points per hundred possessions underwater last offense twenty-seven defense and five hundred eighty Lombardo projects that they will win nineteen games which is diffused in the entire NBA. It's looking like Steph. Curry is GONNA come back about a week from now maybe March I. We don't have that as a specific date. I I saw some on-court work before Sunday's loss to the PELICANS and it looks like he's getting there you know it's still a little bit off. There's some potential for nerve damage in in that hand. We'll have to keep an eye on that. Yeah he he had some comments about that. That is left. Hand doesn't quite feel this. I mean this is broken. Hand this I can't remember anybody ever missing this much time with a broken hand and I'm sure they're really patient with because of everything that happened this year but also the nerve damage. Possibility could be another rationale for this. Yeah the idea of rebranding me two different surgeries bunch of pins I to one of the coaches. He said he looks normal. Ever you know he kinda Messinger on shooting left-handed floaters at from the free throw line and making them and you know so. Maybe it's nothing to really be too concerned about it. But you know a little bit of a reduction in what he can do with his left. Hand is indexed. Therapy is one of the best things about his game of so a little bit. More News on there Click Thompson is officially out for the rest of the year. No surprise there. Maybe he'll get some practice time in towards the end of the season near that might be useful. At least he may play a for team. Usa We'll see if that's the case or not and they've had all these crazy signings. They had nine players on the roster once. The trade is complete wants. Their tax avoidance was complete. Help US sort through all that. The warriors now have four players signed to rest of season contracts. The first of those was David Lee which was actually before the deadline. Flurry Lee has six hundred thousand guaranteed for next season and then has one fully non-guaranteed season after that so he has signed potentially through the twenty two season. Markey's Chris actually has more guaranteed money for next year. Remember he cut to fill to bring Jamie Lee up and then was on a two way and then got brought back. Chris has eight hundred thousand guaranteed for next year and that is his last season on this contract. Bowman has no guaranteed money for next year and assigned through twenty two and then wants to Anderson who has looked very good member he was he was in camp for the warriors and then was did not make the team but the now has the rest of the season contract. He has no guaranteed money and then assigned next season and the year after so again until twenty two. Yeah so Scotto. Anderson is interesting not a name that come up on this Pakistani. We talked a little bit in the Summer League. But you know he's twenty six twenty seven has toiled in the G. League for a while was not a big prospect coming out of college to be sure East Oakland native as a base. Someone should tell Marcus Thompson that I'm not sure he's aware of it. But to Scotto Anderson is but six to twelve and is in the top one percentile of hustle players in the league and he's been playing more as a small four. Even kind of as a five offensively was spying each playing the four down in the G. League but you know he'll run guys down from behind. He makes hard cuts. He makes really hard smart help rotations as fast as he. Can you know sprint store at the ball to double team sprints back to his man is effort? Level is extremely impressive. The limitation for him has been the shooting but he's shot at wall so far in a warriors uniform and we'll see you only have to go back to last year to see a guy of some similar ilk avoiding discount. Anderson is much better. Defensively Than Affonso McKee but mckinney started off on fire from three it was kind of energy guy but ultimately couldn't reliably hit shot. There hopefully Scotto Anderson if he does become part of this team in the long term you might be on a two way. He might be you know just your fifteenth man. Give you some energy. But he wouldn't be the first guy who's a three D. type wing to develop enough of three point shot to stick around so I've enjoyed what he's done? He's a fun guy to watch. The odds are against him making it but He if the shot comes it's been pretty aggressive from three. He's got some more athleticism. I kinda you know Trivia on Graham another one of the guys that this l. but to Scotto Anderson is a little bit more bounce than Tribune. Graham does not as much strength of so and as Reference Scotto Anderson as taking ninety four threes in the G. League so far this year speaking twenty eight percent of those so that's not exactly urging but his free throw percentage is up to seventy this year which is a pretty significant job off last year when he was at sixty. So you know you look so he's not gonNA shoot the NBA. Three well enough. I do not think so but it would be. It'd be a nice story and it'd be especially considering he's playing with the local team not as local as they were. Let's say a year ago but still close enough and that leaves us with the most significant story going on in San Francisco for the words right now which is injured. Wickets being a small sample and I would say he had his worst game as a warrior on Sunday night but he has been a more complete contributor than I expected. Really honestly at any point in his warriors tender. Yeah he's thin but his defense has looked pretty solid. I mean he's had these big block and Steal Games and hasn't done a ton on the glass until that New Orleans game when he actually had five offensive rebounds of had another two blocks in a steel in that New Orleans game Not taking many threes the surprise the warriors don't really generate very many threes in Steve Kerr system unless you have the two greatest shooters of all time stuff and Klay taking him. They are very very low in terms of their three point temporary and they're make great but he shot at while there I think it's interesting that his usage is lower than it's been a lot of his time. Minnesota given the fewer threats on the team. I kinda think that's a good thing. He's playing more the way that he'll play one steph curry and press Klay Thompson comeback as well really really is going to be a third option that to me was a criticism of him during his time in Minnesota when he was playing next to Jimmy. Butler and Karl Anthony towns. Who were both superior? Opportunity is taking possessions out of their hands now that that hasn't necessarily been the case he's been moving. More Ben Faulk pointed this out that a far larger percentage of his shots are assisted then in Minnesota where he was running a Lotta pick and roll warriors. Haven't been doing that. Much of that. For him Certainly as a transition player he can be a big plus for Golden State. I do worry a little bit. You know he is still a solid fishery does have a pretty good first step. Still if he makes the real hard decisions attacking on closeouts He definitely still clearly mentioned this before does not have the level of lettuce as a dunker and finishing at the rim that he had earlier in his career out. Not sure why that is. I mean some guys just are are better leaders earlier in their career and lose emmys twenty five. You know that's about the time that you start to lose it from just a pure Roth Lettuce ISM standpoint. The skill level usually makes up for that for a couple of years in guys primes into their late twenties. Most of the time so he doesn't get to the free throw line as much as it use either so very encouraging to be sure and they're going to try and work with them and make him better. I still don't want to lose sight of what he's been for the last five and a half years so I I mean that still your prior can adjust these on a new team. Maybe he's playing harder. We've seen him play hard. Yo Games against Cleveland for example or Lebron James when he got traded away for their and he's really motivated but ultimately The fires have not run that hot for him in his career. Add maybe that's GonNa Change. Maybe the good news for the warriors is. They don't need him to be. You know a big score every night necessarily but the question of whether he can really bring it defensively in transition from an overall effort standpoint on a night tonight basis twenty games from now forty games in the next year. That's really the question to me whether he can the the next Harrison Barnes comes into place that it'd be wild. Barnes is an imperfect player and was then he still provided a lot for the warriors didn't take as much off the table must be. We're talking about him. Not hitting a shot during certain. Nba Finals runs. But anything like that and so is not the same type of player but the overall rule actually. Isn't that different depending? I mean because when once they get step back in particular they won't need wiggins to initiate as you brought up and one thing that is interesting and this is just I think. Nature of the Warriors Ball Movement. We had this big rise in his assists percentage this year with Minnesota and that's largely state similar with the words. They're not running him through the same sets but he is still passing the ball and that that's a good thing and presumably the him being with a willing passer becomes more important than the warriors offensive talent. Dramatically improves which it looks like. That's going to happen more season rather than this season but I it is good that we're going to see a little bit of Wiggins curry and presumably draymond green together once he gets back from this PELVIC CONTUSION. I can't keep track anymore. We should also mention that. He's not on the rest of the year contract yet but the warriors did do another Phoenix son. Reclamation PROJECT DAYS SIGNED. Drug and bender and bender intuitively offensively. Defensively left to see but offensively. He makes some sense with what Kerr wants to run. He can do. He can do things as a passer from the high post and we saw some of that in in the loss against New Orleans. Yeah I talked too much more about him with slater on his pilot last night. So if you're gonNA hear hear more about that good. Listen to that let's Soak Houston Rockets here. Thirty six and twenty sixteen and eleven since last fifteen sixty. They've had some highs and lows during that period to be sure they are seventh in the NBA net rating plus four point. -O third on offense that book fourteen defensively. They are fifteen actually not that bad for where they bid at times. We'll see if they can have this post break. Surge the numbers with Robert Covington on the floor for example Have been very good so far but One ten defensive rating projecting 453 wins. Which would be third in the West and they will be making the playoffs. Some quick news for them. Pj Tucker's contract you recall it. Was I mean this might be the best? Mid level exception contract ever signed the track record of those even going back to Nineteen Ninety. Nine is not particularly positive but They got him for the full mid-level exception but the last year has nine guaranteed they have now guaranteed that fourth year. He was hoping to actually get an extension before the season. Those stocks were tabled Jeff Green has been signed to a ten day He actually played for them over the weekend and Demark Carol has been bought out in San Antonio he gave back about eight hundred thousand dollars And indication yet whether the Spurs have stretched that or not but I I wondered what the story was with Karaokes. We thought he could help spurs he just hasn't been playing at all so this is yet another indication that the rockets are going to be doubling down on small bombing they've got Hartenstein and Tyson Chandler on the roster but those guys are just not GonNa play it looks like a Jeff. Green played some swallow center for the Wiz last year on occasion with the cavs the year before that. And he's been Kinda chilling at home interesting to see whether they give him more after this initial ten day both sides saying that they wanted to fit. There should be enough time. I think forget when the news came down that he actually signed that for him to go elsewhere if the ten doesn't work out in droves and WanNa leave but it seems like it's more the rockets are trying to make that decision and the rockets have A. They have a bigger decision. I'm actually a little bit worried. Because they could theoretically so they created these trade exceptions and everything else in the end they actually still have a portion of their mid-level from moves mid level. That didn't use it in the summer. And then with the trade exceptions because of the Trade Deadline. And now they have. I would ballpark it about five million in wiggle room. I haven't seen the exact terms of debris carol but it's probably recipes and minimum and some of that the will need to go to filling out the roster but like for example they claimed marquee for us and maybe they did the player option for next year made them a little bit queasy. Maybe they didn't want to. Piss off his agent and pissed Morris off which is not always the greatest thing that we'll do but if they end up just creating spending power and then not using it. Considering DEPTH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. Maury has done a nice job overall filling out the roster. I'm going I'm going to be disappointed because that was. That was a piece of value created in their trades. That needs to be utilized. Well let's get back to what they've looked like how these newcomers have looked for this group. Covington is of course the star there. He started five of the six game. He sees played in playing thirty two minutes a game already. Thirteen and seven and the big numbers for for Covington. So far he's playing power forward. Eighty seven percent of the time and senator eleven percent of the time. That's the epitome of this small ball and then Houston Dave defended extremely well since the since during COVINGTON's minutes it's one hundred ninety one possession so it's not like we're dealing with the super simple using clean the glasses filter but one three three defensive rating which is phenomenal and even more phenomenal plus sixteen net rating during Covington's minutes. Yeah he's been an advanced that superstar for most of the way here in his career since he really came into his own in Philly and excluding the loss in Phoenix on the second night of a back to bat after they beat the Lakers and Covington's first game. They've looked really good. They had that home loss against Utah before the break than they beat Boston. Pretty comfortably at home. They completely destroyed golden state on Thursday after the break and then they add pretty comfortable win in Utah by ten with harden going off Covington in that game had multiple blocks of rigo bear at the rim. Just coming over as a help defender and we said it that it really the vision that they had for him. Defensively is really help you. If you're going to be doing all this switching you're going to have all these mismatches you're not gonNa have a guy who is a traditional rim-protector to clean things up will y you get one of the best help defenders from the wing position guys. Who can dig down? Prevent penetration getting the passing winds for steals. Come on for blocks with his a underrated length at six nine. And that's exactly what it's been so far. I think they've looked really good dramatic. Carol played thirteen minutes in that win over. The warriors didn't PLAY IN THE GAME AT UTAH. What did you think of them? Picking those guys up. You're you're not a fan. I'm not a huge fan. There is a really challenging needle to thread for more here when they're looking for a very specific type of player that is also available and that's really hard to do. I mean so who is available for the minimum that is better than tomorrow Jeff Green? I mean Tamara Carol I think is reasonable signing for Jeff. Green to me look pretty wash. Remember Utah could've used Jeff. Green chose signed him. And then just what now? We're good and I think that's you know. That's a notable sign and he has a different role to PLAY IN HOUSTON THAN IN UTAH. And that's sometimes when those workout and we've seen that happen with Kenneth Free last year and I thought he he helped the rockets at moments in time so. I'm a little bit more positive. 'cause he looks like there might be more gas in the tank but his San Antonio was not exactly inspiring. And that's why I would. I would go a different direction than Jeff Green. I'm sure he'll have a good game or two and he'll catch somebody for a dunk or something like that but the game in game out on him. I I. I haven't been there for a few years. Jeff Green you could argue for his whole career relative to what other people thought so I? I'm still in that camp and then brutal club member. They originally got Jordan Bell in the initial the initial three-way trade and then they moved cocoa cocoa four Jordan Bell. He's only played five minutes in that blowout so haven't really gotten to see the proof of concept there. It's possible he's just more of like a we're in this system break glass in case of emergency and even green in Carroll may be at the show it's really to me one of the big problems is just. Pj Tucker and Robert Covington are just. Can't overuse these guys right. That's really wonders right exactly. I think that's really what this is all about I. I don't I mean those guys will have a chance to prove it but just to see you can play the same way during the regular season. Get some bodies out there where the other teams is aren't GonNA light up about. Oh yellow. It's just go at this dude. They at least look the part defensively and that I think is what this is more bonded if they prove their worth playing in the playoffs. Then that's fine but you know I I think the signings make sense to me just combo forward type of guys who can fit into what they're doing and they're probably the best built. We shouldn't spend a ton of time on it because we've already spent time on the rockets but the new look rockets. Seen him for a little bit now focusing more on the top six teams in the West. Are there any debtor standing out to you just conceptually more than anything else that are particularly good or poor matchups for the rockets? So I think that the Lakers. They actually can match up pretty well against A. I think that the switching system we saw in that first game the Lakers clutch. Offense doesn't look that amazing. I don't know if the Lakers have anybody to guard James Harden that well we'll see what they decide to do with Westbrook. We've seen teams putting their center on Westbrook. That's what the the rockets with Gobert on. So they actually match up with Lakers pre. Well the clippers certainly have the personnel especially now with Marcus Morris to match up with them and I think the clippers have more defensive chops up and down the roster and Kawhi is better than harden. And I'm not sure that there's anyone on Houston that really is GonNa Guard KUWATA. Exactly I think the clippers the structure of their offense. I think works better against the switching team as well because Kawais doesn't care at all the nuggets I not even know how the hell they're going to begin to defend the now you know you would think that maybe Yokich could go to town against some of these switches. The nuggets are kind of very station to station. Under Michael Malone we talked about the in their section. How leading games they struggle to get the ball into Yokich against the mismatch the rockets to a pretty good job of switching out. They can also the rockets double team pretty well. The nuggets don't have a ton of shooting it. They'RE GONNA put Paul millsap on the floor in particular Or Jeremy Granted. The rockets are GonNa make those guys hit shots. I'm not sure they can. I actually think they could struggle against the mavs I think that with the spacing of porzingas his ability to shoot over the top of anybody. Who's guarding him? And then Luca has shown that he can really be guys one on one with the space that's provided the mavs are going to space the floor. They don't have these non-shooters that you can just kind of knock guard. That's what the rockets thrive on helping off the right people. That's been the case going back to seventeen eighteen with these switching systems. And so I think the rockets are has got to find a way to outscore the mavs. And you'RE GONNA put porzingas on Westbrook like that would be certainly a fascinating match up. But if you're just going to say hey porzingas is gonNA wait it. The Romy might even be harder to score over than Go bare at the rim. So that'll be best. I can't wait to see those teams match up but I think I don't think the rockets can stop the maps at all with this approach. I think some of these other teams they could really throw a monkey wrench and I don't think they can do that with the map. So I I wouldn't predict them to lose to the mavs this early but I think the mavs could definitely punch above their weight against the rockets versus some other teams. And I don't think the rockets would have that much trouble with thunder. It is true that the thunder of beaten the rockets and some high profile games this year. But when you get down to a playoff series the best players play more often and this new rockets team. I think that offensively. It'll be hard for the thunder to to slow down. Exactly what they're looking for. But then also we talked about helping off non-shooters okay still has those in the rotation so I think that would force forced those players to beat them in those players. Well I think the the other problem too. Is that the rocket size advantage on that. Three Point Guard lineup. That o'casey likes to close the game with. I don't know that other than I mean. Shea would probably be the best at this but who is like your switch -buster on the Oklahoma City Thunder Chris. Paul I don't think can really do that much anymore. I can roll their offense. Problems would parallel. What the jazz have run into the last couple of years where they just don't have the they forced you to get basic. An offense doesn't necessarily work when it's basic thought. The jazz looked pretty good in that first game against Houston with guys like Mitchell even Conley blowing by guys at the point of attack and there just wasn't that much help. The jazz are better as a attacking switches. Yes type of team here now on what we talked about that on the fifteen six you before the break I let's Talk Clippers here in just a second the La Clippers thirty seven and nineteen fifteen to nine over their last twenty one games six in the NBA with a plus four point net rating seventh on offense sixth on defense projecting for a tied for second in the West fifty five wins. Thou would get them out of the Lakers bracket which I think they would prefer which we would probably prefer as very interesting to see who would be the three seed in that scenario. Catch up onto news here. We know that Reggie Jackson time for the rest of the season was helped by his fit in a second here. Paul George hurt his hamstring before the all-star break unclear. When he's GONNA be able to return. This is now second bout with this hamstring issue and Patrick. Beverley has been out since February third. He did practice on Friday. Did Not play over the weekend. The latest on him as we record this on Monday afternoon is that he is questionable for this game against the grizzlies it guess would be probably not gonNA play. They have no reason to rush him along here. So what do you think of the Reggie Jackson signing which came as a a bit of a surprise other than the fact that he is buddies with Paul George? It seemed like the Lakers had a much larger. Need for a creator than the clippers did but just having another another capable hand could be useful there. I don't think my instinct is. The Jackson isn't going to warrant playoff minutes. We'll see if that actually happens. But the biggest issue for him was that he needed a smaller role or be healthier than the clippers. Have the latitude to make sure that he's right. And so we can think of it as an upside. Play that if he's good enough help hill contributed if he's not then he won't and I do trust that Doc rivers considering Reggie Jackson has much equity with doc is going to overplay him like we expressed concern previously about some some of the other some of the other players that are on new teams. Yeah we'll have to see what happens with him. There's a thought that while they need someone to bring it all together right a pure point guard who can pass and run the offense and then once you get into the hands of Kawai or Paul George that he can get out of the way and hit shots well Jackson you know. I think he's a I don't know that he has the same spot up instincts as someone like Beverley. Who's been playing that role for Wild Jackson is spotted up more as the years have gone onto. This has pick a role skills of waned a little bit. But that's still what he likes to do is plays a pick and roll guy overall defensively nowhere near as good as Beverley. He's not anywhere near as good as a pick and roll offensive player as Lou Williams would be hard pressed to say that he should take any of their minutes at least when it really matters. You know the the beverly has made been playing a little bit too much and you know. Maybe that's part of why he's breaking down and so to limit his minutes. The rest of the year might be a good idea but then landry shamet has been on fire lately. He's better defensively than Jackson as well. So you've really got these three guards. And then you also got Marcus. Morris that could push Paul George Inqui- data position on on the spectrum. These got Michael Green so seems to me. I know he started in this game with beverly out his first game where he wasn't too impressive. I don't quite see the point but I think he would have been useful for the Lakers. They kept him away from the Lakers. We've kind of the same way about Marcus Morris in some respects Because I think he would have been an upgrade for the Lakers on Rondo. But Yeah I. I really don't necessarily necessarily see the point of this for the Clippers in project. Maybe he just wants to be in a winning situation. He cares about that. That's the case more power to him but I'm not sure this is even like a good move for his career because I'm not sure how much he's GonNa play when you once you take a buy out. There is arguably a little bit of a stigma to that. This idea that you're clearly not worth your contract anymore. Essentially let's jump to Marcus Morris and it hasn't been to me a great start. He started all four games that he's played in before Monday nights contests against the grizzlies playing thirty three minutes. A game forty two percent from the field twenty percent from three. I expect both of those to improve the that's crazy. He's turning the ball over on eighteen percent of his possessions and only assisting on six point three percent and that ball dominance and dominant has not been a welcome addition. I expect those the some of that to get out but it has been a rough transition so these numbers very early on near obviously biased energy. Sixteen percent usage is humid. Say All right yeah. That's that's pretty good. He's is not hijacking the offense he's not shooting more than he shared. That's great right. Dig a little deeper. Maybe not because the whole point of his skill set was three d does have some other stuff that he can do. But they have George Williams and Leonard all of whom should be above him in the pecking order as the score so he spotting up twenty five percent of the time shooting poorly from three five eighteen. That doesn't matter he's GonNa come around there. You would think but twenty four percent of the time spot up sixteen percent pickerel ball handler. Fourteen percent post up eight percent eyeso- so you add all those up and thirty eight percent. Self-created offense twenty four percent others creating for him and then even on a hand off as well as another eight percent of his often. So A and that's Kinda I consider that mostly self created as well. You know you're not having someone else make the for you to create the opening. So that's really what concerns me a little bit more and this team despite the fact that they have all this offense out they don't take a ton of threes don't generate a ton of spy of opportunities for anyone other than sham everyone else's. Kinda you know capable shooting so Moore's yeah shooting amazing while forty three percent wherever it was from three but they need him to just stand out there and shoot it out. I know that he has the instincts. Just the to hunt those shots to move without the ball along the three point line when others are attacking he. We've also been a little bit concerned about the way that he is stopped the ball when he does get his opportunity. So yeah you might say. Hey you know. He hasn't been hijacking things. He hasn't been that aggressive but when he does get the ball then he still is going into his ice. Oh game he is stopping the ball. And that's a little bit of a concern. I think doc rivers probably acknowledged that he's a good player he's talented. He's better than the guy that is replacing a Mohawk less certainly as fewer weaknesses when it gets into a playoff setting. He's GonNa get guarded out there at least but this is not a totally seamless fit than you just say. Oh this guy. Defends issues forty four percent from three? Let's get right and it's also an example of why it's so hard for teams to get exactly the right fit the the amount of people that can fill the defensive needs that the clippers had and then can also not only shoot shoot. Only those shots can be. It can be difficult. So yeah we'll we'll have to see how it works out anything else. You WanNA talk about the Clippers. Briefly their game against Philly Before the break I thought that they really struggled to contain Joel. Embiid just did not have answers for him. There bunches Herro was totally overwhelmed. Physically they tried to actually close the game out with Marcus Morris attended. That didn't work. That well beat was very motivated. Obviously and his size and strength when he tries to get that deep position run the charge. Circle Zoo Bosch's really the only one who can contend with them and he was going to get in some foul trouble Also interesting to note for them. The defensive numbers with Harrell and with zoo botch on the floor. Superficially look very similar in their within about point one possession of each of the defense of reading when you those guys are on the floor. They never played together. Obviously so it's a direct comparison. However if you dig a little bit deeper you'll find that really. They are much better defensively with suge on the floor and use numbers on that teams. Shoot eight percent worse at the rim with Zoo botch and the game versus with Herald. The game and teams are shooting eight percent worse from three with. Herro on the floor then was super so to get to those numbers herald is probably really benefiting from some shooting luck of opponents missing three pointers. Maybe you could say there's something there because when he's out there they might switch a little bit. More more of those three pointers might be off the dribble. It's so maybe there's a little bit of an argument that he is helping to cause that some more than just you know some other senators. But I'm still not a huge believer in heralds defense. I thought that he and Lou Williams both a really got hurt One thing that they did do that billy game that I really liked was landry. Shamet as a pick and pop guy with with a that could be a really really awesome weapon for these guys so The phillies a bad batch for them. Because I think they gotta just hope that they don't end up facing him in the finals. It would've been nice if they could have gotten another center that duct trusted who is a little bit better defensively as well and I think he's just not going to trust zoo botch for and has been a leading the charge that he should play more but herald is a lot of equity there obviously So is this still is a little bit of an odd team. At times they definitely to me have the most talent. They and fury of the most versatility. I think if I had to pick it right now. I picked up to come out of the West. But it's not gonNA be automatic. They have a lot of things that they still need to sort out here. And the lack of health has been a concern in helping. Doc Rivers get to that point. Let's move onto the team. They played on Monday night on our MBA dot com debut the Memphis Grizzlies. Twenty eight and twenty eight seventeen and nine since last fifteen sixty there. Negative one point six net rating is nineteenth in the NBA. Eighteen offense sixteenth and defense. Five three it's model projects that they will win thirty seven Games which put them tenth and they are one of the big differences between Raptor L. O. Seven percent chance of making the playoffs in. Raptor thirty percent. Chance in Elasto who is sees the the race for the aid is being a lot more balanced. So that'll be worth watching a couple pieces of housekeeping. They have wave to dion waiters. I eat I. The team sometimes are over zealous about getting players that they think could be problems out of young locker rooms. We've seen it. Before and could've used waiters a salary balanced. He actually could have helped them to so ethically were overzealous here especially considering like and then it also like if they were willing to take him on. That's a reminder of how much they gave up justice winslow in that trade. Because they took on you know Dion waiters twelve point six million next year also. Grayson Allen is going to miss. The remainder of the area was out indefinitely with left hip issue going back to January and now he shut down completely and unfortunately jaren Jackson Junior doodoo left knee. Issue is going to be out for at least two weeks. He'll be reevaluated. Yeah it was a sprained knee that he suffered in. Friday's Games Lakers and justice. With did you mentioned justice. I did not obviously. He's definitely but this Jackson injury is a major problem for these guys. We mentioned how awesome they were offensively during that stretch in December into early January after Tom Rant came back from injury that has slowed down a little bit but these guys are twenty in the NBA and three point. Temporary and Jaren Jackson does so much for this team because he still is big enough. That a lot of times you have to guard him with a big. But he's got basically the fourth highest three point a temporary thirty six minutes of any guy who might be considered a center or six eleven or taller it. Nba History. You guys like batons and Meerut itch. But they're not really the same type of player. As Jackson. Jackson plays a reasonable amount of center for this group other than that. There really. Isn't anyone else that you'd look at us. Good cheer you Grayson. Allen is out for the year now. The Anti Melton issuing under thirty percent from three Dillon Brooks is a hill bomb out there on occasion but he also likes to get into his dribble game and be a Creator. Kyle Anderson really struggles to shoot the ball. They're basically going to be playing now. It looks like two bigs whether it's Clark Jiang who has added a little bit of three point bombing to his game in Minnesota. But you're still not thinking of him as a huge stretch. Optionality is shot takes a long time to get off so they're going to have balanced units Clark or Jiang really two of those three guys probably on the floor just about all times. And that's this could be a major problem for them like they were so reliant on that crazy shooting. That Jackson provided that quick. Release shooting on the move. Getting the bigs away from the room that I mean. They're probably the worst shooting team in the NBA. Without Him. Especially now that Minnesota at so many guys over sure while yeah and towns will be back here pretty soon for them. Also but yeah. This is a big time concern for them. And at Twenty eight and twenty eight. They've got this pretty big lead there. Three and a half ahead of New Orleans but New Orleans has this crazy easy schedule and they might be three ahead if they lose a as I think of as is expected tonight in. La WITH MEMPHIS. Has the single hardest schedule remaining in the entire. Nba Per tank for meetings. there are different versions of it. But I mean the grizzlies. Yeah really really. It's not easy and New Orleans is is very easy. So that's a concern. I mean it's a blessing for them. That Dame Lillard suffered the injury that he did that Portland is probably going to be stagnating. A little bit to Portland did beat Detroit last night but the no great shakes and so I don't know I I mean it's really John Mirant is just going to have to be unbelievable here and they'll they'll have to do it. Defensively I think now at this point in time before we move on just a little bit catch up on their newcomers. That's been a theme of this episode. Winslow we set hasn't played. You talked about that. He's out indefinitely Jordan. Bell also hasn't played for them. They did the Bell Cacao swap. He doesn't appear to be hurt. I haven't seen anything on injury report but the guy who was playing as Jank sixteen minutes a game in three games. And it looks like he's their backup center probably this year and next year depending unless they restructure this rotation but considering now the grizzlies are capped out. There isn't as much urgency to move him to clear space or anything. The hope would be that one winslow comes back. That and Jackson comes back he can really be fifth big trump and that Clark played more than him of another guy that they actually. It's kind of a new number. This team is Josh Jackson who frankly has to play They remember they got rid of Solomon Hill and they got rid of Jae crowder. Crowder was starting for them and he at least stood out as the three point. Line and shot threes. They didn't necessarily go in but he got guarded out there at least a little bit And I talked about this with Hollinger that in some ways. I laud the Grizzlies for doing what they felt was best for the future that they're not falling into the trap as the. Pelicans did in the early years of Anthony Davis of Joe. Hey while we're ahead of schedule. It's make the playoffs here and we're going to really accelerate this timetable day. Maybe you could argue. Put a little bit too little emphasis on this year. Especially goes you know who knows when windows who. They claim that he's going to be back this year. Still have no idea what the actual diagnosis on. This injury is so i. I'm okay with them. Not Making the playoffs this year They are going to give their pick up a most likely unless they get some crazy lottery locked to the Boston Celtics. And you know not saying that. They can't make the playoffs still but they definitely did not prioritize that like crowder was very important player for them and then you not only that but what they got back I mean. Waiters IS ALREADY GONE. Jiang as their backup center and they're they have so many other bigs that there isn't a ton of upside and even if Jiang is awesome and then that's really about it so I mean to give up players. Who Help you who are also better contracts. I mean it's a lot for justice. We'll see if it works out. But you brought up Josh Jackson and it has been nice to see him get an opportunity originally on in in the G. League and now a little bit more in the NBA but and they're positives. They're shooting eighty two percent at the rim. Which is fantastic. Sixty percent overall from two but Josh Jackson has always had this question about kidney apply himself regularly and Kenny. Hit shots and the hitting shots part of it is not great so far no six twenty four from three It's GONNA be approve it type of thing for him. I mean he's still pretty aggressive on some of these especially in the Lakers game. Once Jackson went down But I do like that. He's reduced as user. You remember some of these seasons in Phoenix. He's in the twenty five percent. Usa Drain was one of the most damaging players in the league because he was so inefficient. Now he's getting thirty three percent of his usage in transition. He does fit in very well to the pace that these guys. WanNa play with it and twenty four percent on spot up. That's good you know you remember a lot of his problem. Was He'd run. These pick and rolls eat. Barf UP. These floaters launches that. At least he seems to have eliminated from his game is only an eight possessions out of the pick and roll so far which is any small forward is going to have at least a few of so that does seem to be knocked down. He does seem to have a better understanding of his role. Haven't had a chance to really lock it. On 'em defensively will get more of a chance to do that tonight. We'll get a chance to see what he looks like defensively tonight. I assume he's GONNA cut some minutes on Choi move on to the wolf's let's do it. Minnesota is sixteen and thirty nine six and twenty one since Las Fifteen and sixty. They're negative three point. Seven Net rating is twenty. Four th in the league twenty-third an offense nineteenth and defense and five thirty projects that they will end up being only ahead of the warriors with twenty five wins. They're not making the playoffs and they're very much. The walking wounded the most important. Those injuries is Karl Anthony towns. He has a fractured wrist. He is out for at least two weeks. He per John Krasinski definite desperately wants to play again this season. But I mean you. There could be some challenging forces to play here with lottery seating but also playing with his friend Daniel Russell who looks like is on. We'll abandonment plan and then also Jake Lehman is has been cleared to return to practice of getting closer member. He's been out since November and then Evan Turner who they acquired at the deadline in that big trade. It looks like he might not be long for Minneapolis in this might also be the resolution. Potentially to something that I've been interested in which is that. Minnesota technically went over the tax line when they made all those moves and well paying a small amount. That big a deal as long as Glenn Taylor is okay with it if I have it. That they're six hundred thousand over by. There might be some some funky nece there in terms if they have to fill roster slots anything like that. But so if Evan Turner gives up enough money then they could get under the tax. And I'm sure that would be good for ownership considering how bad they've been this year Jane Johnson. Maybe perhaps another potential can't but they wanted to get rid of Turner so much that I guess that's true but they're playing Johnson. Yeah yeah well. It's still not a part of their long-term planning sure he's under contract furniture. I mean maybe you can give them coming but Turner I mean. I never heard of this before. They actually allowed him to work out for other team. The clippers while he's under contract needs has been away from the team but the clippers apparently did not bite. They went with Reggie Jackson instead. I maybe the Lakers s interest. Maybe he would be better for them than Rondo in some respects. I'm not sure if that journey more Rhonda's actually a much better shooter than Evan. Turner and Credit Toronto. For how much. He's improved shooting. Despite some of his other foibles. Another thing that you popped up to you though is just. These guys are like the Anti Nuggets in terms of how unlucky? They've been this season cleaning the glass. Does this have basically Assess what a team's net rating would normally translate to in terms of wins and losses. And then that's what they call. Luck is how far you deviate from that. And Minnesota is five point. Four wins behind their point differential expectation. They have the differential of a thirty two win team but are on the pace for twenty four and thirty two would be disappointing though. I mean if we knew the currency towns was going to miss those highly highly questionable time. Then maybe that would be a little bit different but when the team really underperforms it that can be taken a lot of different ways ended a certain point. I think would have done largely a lot of what he did anyway like. They were pursuing de Ngelo Russell. Before the season much less you know once it kind of fell off the rails and then the Beasley Juancho. Things were opportunistic. But how differently ownership how differently fans would be thinking about. It is something we're thinking about. Yeah and this is something that we've talked about quite a bit is Golden State Earth Science guy the Angela Russell and now they basically made a bet against him being good and against the wolves being good next year. So certainly that luck issue is going to matter. I'm sure we'll be talking about those like Nada. Don't forget they had the point Fragile thirty two in team when we're doing their their previews next year But this is an interesting bat here from Rosa's and maybe this is just not the sort of and this is a move that may be teams made years and years ago. Right like you would Trading for and Russell Russellville younger too. So that's maybe part of this. They still view them as part of the cords under contract for a while. But that a team who you know as of now I think most people would say does not project to make the playoffs next year trading away pretty lightly protected lottery pick. That rarely happens. It does and we can go through some of the players they acquired start. We'll have to start with Russell. He's only played in three games because he was rested. A little bit and thirty four minutes. A game twenty two points ten assists and averaging thirty five percent or thirty five percent on threes taking nine point. Three of them for thirty six minutes. That's a high volume. I'd be happy with that. And while he has fifty seven percent shooting Russell has only been over fifty percent from the field and one of those three games when he was seven to twelve in the debut against Ronald but he did score twenty six against Charlotte thought that Toronto game where they're at tons did play in that one before the break and granted those ink Russell's first game so we he's getting integrated Very efficient use twenty one point seven to twelve from the field but he was like at one point like negative thirty and ended up negative twenty just with some garbage time But I haven't really seen this with Russell that much and I'm not sure what the reason is. Maybe just the team. He never went against the team in the playoffs that really had the personnel to exploit him too much. And you know. He's a little bit bigger. But Nick nurses like Oh. We're just going to go at him on every play once. It got into chrome Chinese Pascal Siachen pickle ball handler. Russell is guarding a calorie or Fred. Benfleet they'd screen forum gets the outcome onto Russell and Siachen was just cooking in time after time. Setting up great looks scoring himself and I will see whether that something that is going to happen a lot. I mean they got at least get to being closed at the end of the game before Russell can get taken advantage of and maybe you can help them get their considering how bad they've been the the You know their entire existence. Basically outside of the cagey years and the one Jimmy Butler year. So that's something to watch those teams really going after outside enemy and that's what I love about. Nick nurses that he just he gets like he knew that that was an open sore. The first game went after him. That's when they. They blew the game open against them. anything else of note here from their other. Pickups yeah just briefly I mean leak. Beasley in Gomez Ross acquired both them pending restricted free agents on the idea that they might get below market contracts or that they can help Minnesota and I think the early returns have been positive Beasley. He starting started all five games. He's averaging twenty two points per game and six rebounds in those thirty minutes a game now. Some of that is going to tone down. Because he's making forty percents of his threes. Though he did shoot forty percent last year I think Beasley can can play a role I be potentially be a starting small starting shooting guard. Maybe maybe on the starting backup fringe. I just liked his game for a long time and then one show. He's been he's been freed out of out of the weird circumstance. In Denver remember season got derailed by mono back in seventeen. Eighteen than last year was a weird loss year to. He's averaging fourteen. Fourteen points five rebounds. Starting those games playing twenty nine minutes a game and we haven't really gotten to see the fully actualize. You know this version cause towns in Dangelo both mistime. But I'm so happy that there are at least getting the opportunity and we'll probably the wills aren't going to have a lot to play for in terms of incentives but it will be important for us to evaluate who the heck they have for the statement so while they do moving forward. Those guys are more important than like James Johnson. And it's also just a file it away that Amari spellbinds been buried in the G. League considering Minnesota also traded their backup center in this in their deadline deals he. I thought spelman showed some things with the words when he got into better shape was able to protect the rim. Got On the offensive glass. He shot at well from three his pick and pop game. Looked pretty good You know I think he's better than like Nasreen. For example Was playing a lot in their loss at Denver as they've now lost five straight in the Russell era but and I felt bad for spelling that he got traded. Basically just so I mean they didn't need it to make the trade legal is just so that they could get out of the tax the warriors and he had really blossomed at taken to a the warriors. Culture lost a bunch of weight. You know he'd been really depressed. It seemed like a at times in his hawks. Tenure and so it's just a reminder of the business that's two warriors focused but just for a young man who would really blossomed in Golden State degree and then you get traded is in the twos credit. He's played well in the League but I think he could be. Nba Player is still a with the way he shot the ball this year and I didn't see the warriors may actually miss a meeting someone who could be contributed to them next year but probably not as much frankly as whoever they're going to get with the increased spending flexibility they'll have by not being the repeater tax next year Jacob evidence head is option in Europe picked up. I mean it wouldn't shock me. If he just gets waved over the summer he'll probably play in the Summer League. Then that'll be it for him Jerod vanderbilt. We haven't seen much of him so far. Either for these guys. So let's go to the Portland Trailblazers. They are twenty six thirty to twelve and sixteen since last fifteen sixty negative one point four net rating is seventeenth in the league. Ninth and Offense Twenty Fifth and Defense. They are five hundred eighty projection. Is that they win. Thirty Nine Games which will put them ninth just out and their raptor. Yellow difference is nil. It's basically no. It's eighteen percent and seventy percent respectively. And that is a little bit interesting considering Damian. Lillard IS PROBABLY GONNA be out at least another couple more games they did when that aforementioned game against Detroit on Sunday. Less IMPORTANTLY MARIO. Sonia is still out as well With a left ankle issue and more importantly than Zonja Yousef Nurkic suffered a calf strain at the end of January and is still making his way back. There was hope that he could return around now. But now it seems like things have been pushed back. Yeah I it seems like that has been a real setback boreman and when you consider it's really it's tough to do much when you have a calf strain stain shape. Is there to do the load berry type stuff that he needs to do to build up the strength in that leg? You wonder whether he's GonNa be able to get out there at all and in the benches just absolutely completely killing these guys. Every Simon's negative eight point nine net rating killed Swann. Again THEIR BACKUP CENTER. Negative nine point two net rating his own Who's mercifully out with? Ankle sprain for a little bit here. Negative ten point nine net rating Moses broad who played a little bit in real minutes against the pels before the break. I is only played thirty three minutes on the year but it has a negative fifty point nine net rating which is Earned I mean he. He looks like one of the Amazon. It two ways so I wanNA kill him too badly but he looks very out of place on an NBA court. More so than just about any player that I can remember seeing Let's talk about Trevor Ariza's now on the Blazers for thirteen game started all thirteen. Averaging ten and five and thirty two minutes a game the good news is shooting thirty percent from three though. He's only taking three point six per thirty six minutes. And he's usage rate is twelve which is actually higher than the eleven three. It wasn't in Sacramento. And so that's why his you know the one type satellite. Pr Aren't weighing highly. Because you have to have some actual volume. I think he's looked okay. There one question that I've been dealing with with the blazers is that they have this potentially modest amount of cap space. Especially since we expect Rodney Hood to pick up his player option considering you sir and one possible way to handle it is actually to keep a result on that money for next year and then use the full mid-level exception. I wouldn't rather do that as of now but I wouldn't be shocked if O'Shea feels differently. Yeah we mentioned that Swan again has really struggled. We've talked many times about why he's just not a great fit as an MBA big. Haven't seen much from winning. Gabriel Anthony Simon's. I mentioned his struggles with that. Negative eight point nine rating and this is another decision that the blazers need. Were you know they're up against the Texan? You Forget? They were pretty far into the tax. Go thinking that this is a team that is going to contend finals last year right and you know they weren't able to retain his cancer with a competitive offer. They decided to bring back. Rodney Hood with Non Bird right than obviously. They've really missed him. with the Tornados us. Having a nice season I still think they obviously had some struggles defensively with out there but he at least was a guy who has hit shots in Blazers Uniform. And so they said. Hey we're not going to get a true backup point guard. We'RE GONNA trust every Simon's and we have lauded them in the past for not going out and getting guys trusting their development system given guys will do the same things that call this year in fact in maybe that would have worked. Had Collins not suffered that children read? There's some hope that he can return in March but this is one that didn't work out and you might say. Hey if you're really a team that is thinking about contending this is you know. Unbelievable season from Damian loaded that they're essentially just wasting right now that maybe they should have pursued a another veteran option. At least maybe could have given them so emergency medicine. Assignments wasn't ready. And when you watch Simon it's it's not like Oh man. This guy is just awful but you know he's one of your key backwards scores and he's not very efficient is a second year. Guide doesn't have high level experience. Not a great defender. He tries reasonably hard. But you know he's not a guy. You should probably be in a rotation on a team with the expiration that this team had well example Shabazz. Napier former Blazer was on the scrapheap in Minnesota. Got Him basically a salary dump in that complicated the ngelo Russell transaction I mean Portland could be using him at bare minimum. Yeah I mean you'll recall that th they ha- could have just made napier restricted free agent and probably ended up retaining him out of contract to write what he ended up signing The pelicans they have gotten smoked by them a couple of times in which obviously were huge games for them. Some of their competition for the also lost one to Memphis as well and the pels are just absolute Kryptonite for this team. Deemed alert has missed his last sixteen three pointers including being held to only four in that game against before the break. They missed the the one right after the break. And this team. I mean you just look at their roster and you're like who the hell is going to guard Xining. They tried putting whiteside on them. whiteside just was too slow. Zion was going right through him right around him. They tried putting whiteside on Derrick favors but whiteside wasn't mobile enough to come over and help when Zion was attacking Trevor Aretha Carmelo Anthony I'll just spray the laughter of Him. Trying TO GUARD ZION. Us had absolutely nobody with any answers for Zainy at thirty on them Carmelo been a nice story. Glad that he's back in the League. I think he's still is an NBA player especially having gotten into a little bit better shape. The one thing that he's actually been able to do is hit some more spot ups which was a problem for him in particular in. Okay See And the overall numbers are not proving their better than the guys use replacing Johan and Oliver but aside from that you know he's really a bench score at best fifty one percent shooting twenty two percent usage and forty four percent on two point. That's a big problem. Fifty three percent around the rim for a guy who's six eight is pretty rough and that actually looking more explosive than he did the last couple of years and remember his first came back. He went in and tried to dunk on Jackson. Hayes but You know he's is finishing really waned in the last couple of years even before this a- and so that's a problem he is most common play. Type is actually in the post. You know that mid post I so that's GONNA lead to a lot of long twos. You're not gonNA shoot a good percentage. There are a lot of those posts. Ups are coming on. Plays where they're running a pick and roll. I getting the switch and then dumping it down to him in the post but because he's such poor finisher on the run the idea of always going to just put this. Margai in the goal doesn't really necessarily materialize. Doesn't get to the line very much either. as he's been used a lot as a roll man and if they played eventually pick and pop hasn't shot particularly well on those picking pops either a point seven eight points per possession as the roll man is pretty ugly. So He's a bench score on a bad bench. Offense is what he is at this point in time. Yeah he's not as bad. Defensively was the two years before that but I mean this team is the number twenty five defense in the NBA. He's a big part of that. Anything else on the blazers can we move to Sacramento. Yeah let's finish it out with the twenty and thirty three kings eleven and sixteen since we last checked in on them. Negative three point three that rating is twenty second in the NBA on offense and twenty second on Defense They Project for eleven. Th The conference with thirty six wins four percent chance at the playoffs under raptor five percent under yellow and the injury. News is not amazing. Marvin Bagley is going to be reevaluated. In a further three weeks of the Kings announced a couple of days ago. That sprained left foot. Took about this some with Honda of just yo. What IS THE PLAN. GonNa be now because rashawn homes is pretty good. They played some of their best basketball him on the floor this year. Are you still going to be a a prisoner to the idea that Marvin Bagley is going to be your second star? And you've got everything around him or are you just going to do what wins. Games and say. Hey Marvin you gotta fit into that When comes back which he hopes to return this year? But certainly no indications that is a likelihood as of now it is good that rashawn homes will be coming back. He had a he had A. Prp treatment and he'll be back in a couple a week or two a shoulder cheese out much longer than was initially anticipated. That is true and we also. I can't remember what the sourcing might have been. Amick tied about that. If if healed is still displeased with Israel member it's shifted around over the last little bit coming off the bench. A source with knowledge of his thinking says that healed might request a trade. He'll believes that he's the started the NBA and there's no guarantee he'll get that job back because the teams played better. Since they moved into the bench and Bogdonovich they made these maneuvers that they could be sure to resign him. And so it's not clear. Exactly what's GonNa Happen at Bagley is fatally incidentally probably affects healed as maybe Bogdonovich could start at the three sometimes and held at the two and Harrison Barnes at the four but that would mean that Bagley was going off the bench. Bagley is GonNa Start then. Barnes is probably GONNA be here three and one. Bogdonovich or healed has to come off the bench What have you seen from Harry Giles? Who's actually been starting so now? He passed away. Deadman in the rotation before deadman's inevitable trade. He got that fourth year option declined for four million. Which was a a puzzling move at the time? I think they're just the even back then. Concerned a little bit about the tax and reciting but Davidge and healed. So what do you make of his season? I'm conflicted on it. I remember I saw little bits of film on Giles before he got riddled by injuries in high school and was intrigued by his potential. And I think those those off ty- ceiling days are are over now and it's worth remembering that while Sacramento cannot. He's so. Giles will be an unrestricted free agent. And Sacramento cannot sign him for more than declined option which was about four million dollars. They came to theoretically bringing back a recent example. That was Kevon. Looney could also think back to Austin rivers on the clippers but child's I think of him so they're definitely positives there. He's a solid passer for his size. Enroll he can be. It can be modestly efficient offensively. And he's been better to me defensively this year the moisture not great far from it bothers me. Is that at this point in his career. Giles's twenty-one he's a man without a country in terms of big band so he doesn't space the four well enough to really play power forward offensively. I think he has. It really been asked to do that. I think he might be able to get their senior checkable jump shot. I remember going back to the summit. Yeah well and even in Summer League I think he was taking more threes. I thought his long to look pretty good at times. I think maybe he could get there to having that be part of his game as maybe like an Al Horford white with his passing ability setting up back doors and then stepping out for three pointers league. Maybe that could be his destiny but but the lane close to that. The light is a problem there to physically because to me he doesn't have the ability to defend centers. And then that's what makes it really hard because if a player can't really defend fives and can't really play the five can't really play the four offensively. They generally don't workout. I'm not writing off Giles. He's twenty one too young for that but my general read and so that the own metrics has as slight as more negative than positive positive on on defense slightly in negative on offense RPM negative on both. You know not not huge. Not huge hugely awful in either and my instinct with Giles. At this point is I would be interested depending on how he develops in having him when he's twenty four three years of development but he is not worth it for me to have him on roster between now and then so you want him to develop on somebody else's dime whether that's in the NBA potentially maybe in the G. League Europe but there. I think that there could be a potential player there but the guy kept on thinking about was drain. O.`Neil Jermaine O'Neal came in from high school dealt with Dulles of injury stuff and also just maturity stuff when he played with Blazers. Which Giles doesn't have all of that but it took it took drain O.`Neil while but teams were. It was a little bit more patient because Jermaine O'Neal ended up being like a religious star in the league and I don't see that as a likely outcome for trials to make him priority in Jermaine O'Neal was the best player on sixty windy exactly into the and Drina. Neal was a wonderful defensive player with with his shot blocking also post up he had more size as well as also a different era when teams were playing. I mean Germania. Play next to another center. I mean that's crazy to think about a on those pacers teams in maybe the worst scoring conference finals ever which was a two thousand and four between the Pistons and pay swimming those two of the best defensive teams of all time some of the personnel they had on those teams but Yeah I mean I don't see the cop there because he doesn't have anywhere close to and that's exactly what I was getting on the types of players that you wait on have enough ups. That's what I was getting. Yeah no that makes her. That's now I think you're being a little harsh on them because if you go and look at some of these teams like Blazers for example would love to have Harry. Giles as their backups. Right now I I think you're the warriors would probably love to have Harry Giles as their backup center right now. So and maybe you were on a playoff team. Yeah you know that role might be a little too outsized for him but when you're just talking about him as being in the League as a player who can give you submits a backup center has a decent skill level. Who Good kid tries hard like you could do worse? You could end but what I was getting out more. There was that I would let somebody else take that you know have him. Because there's so many centers in the League right now. The replacement level is incredibly high. And I would want somebody who is who I trust more defensively especially on on a good team or to somebody that needs some something reliable as a backstop but yeah I think. There's I think there's a place for Giles to it's just. It probably wouldn't be with my team if I were running. I let yeah not that. That's fair I mean but you know if you need new can do some stuff with the elbows. Post up a little bit. Yeah I mean you might even say you're better off going small than playing him a lot of reasons to think that but I mean for what's likely ob Close to minimum. Deal THIS OFF SEASON. You might be able to and it. That's all if that's all he's getting. It wouldn't shock me if the where you're signed him. I could see him as a reclamation project they'd be interested in absolutely Are the rest of these. Newcomers from the trades was the role. Been here for the Kings we wrap up. Jafari and len have each only played in one game. Len Played Sixteen minutes in that win on Sunday over the clippers that afternoon game antibody played fifteen minutes in the win over Memphis. I don't really know where to bury fits in the rotation and remember that day that the Kings did quote unquote get off of deadman's money but they also took back to very parker. Who has that six million six point? Five Million Dollar Player option fixture so they didn't actually cut that much salary. I I just. I just don't really love his fit with this team and most I've been well run Bari Than Than Deb. Your everybody and then base more intolerant have been there longer. Based Moore's played in Thirteen Games playing twenty minutes a game as a player. I think he's been he's been fine. Been hitting his three so far and then tolliver played in nine games but all of those really came before they retooled Before the deadline he has only played in one of the last five and that was in the game when they got absolutely trucked by Dallas. I believe he played primarily in garbage. All right well that is four US here. Thanks so much for listening and we'll be back Tuesday night. Tried to a game or been a long time for that. So we'll talk to you all then.

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Zion's Back

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Zion's Back

"The behind the best podcasts with Doug Kazarian presented by draftkings. Download the APP for free today into the game. You kind of your money. That's how you find out who is bad for my pets were safe. That just wouldn't be any juice. Point spreads the process. The TEASERS PARLAYS ACE from Vegas to you this is behind the bats. Welcome to the latest the best podcast taping this day surly this week Wednesday January twenty second. The Super Bowl matchup is set travis. We got there on the tease in the baby. Bankroll Bonanza making a move. That's all it matters. Make that comeback and make a final push on several Sunday nothing like a little chase late in the NFL season. So Mr Executive Director John Murray is GonNa join us for a little preview. The Super Super Bowl props that are going to be posted in. The full allotment will be posted tomorrow. Also we are going to discuss the line. 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I'm doing I'm doing just great you You have to be doing good. You're in Las Vegas Shortly before the Super Bowl Doug of course plenty of stuff to bet on In the next couple of days all the props will be out so Certainly glad to be out here. Yeah no it's exciting time of year. I was there for a week last year. Doing a story on prop bets. It's in a lot of fun catching up with everyone but as we know I'll take its cash the same so a a first quarter line an NBA game super bowl Sunday which is like honestly like firing early on super bowl kind of warm it up before the super bowl is Is the best thing to do on a super bowl Sunday hoops game or something like that. But let's talk a prop bet in the NBA. And we got John Williamson returning tonight. Obviously all the HOOPLA and for good reason but in terms of handicapping this twelve and a half points he's five and a half rebounds. Any sort of leans plays on this given that he will have a kind of a minutes count. Yes that sounds like. He's GonNa play about twenty minutes and I dug boy. It's it's been a while since I remember this kind of buzz for a player Coming into the League so it's GonNa be exciting tonight on. ESPN and I think you have to remember the first thing you look at you know how many points of the Pelicans have been scoring Going over the total and just about every game. I think the total is like two thirty seven tonight so kind of sticks out to probably lean over Under on those props and you would think they would try to get him involve especially on the home court for the energy excetera So it'll be it'll be fascinating to see what happens with this team. I know The you know they've been banged up. They've played a tough schedule. You have the trade trade deadline right around the corner What does the team? That's still kind of has a chance and obviously wants to get in the playoffs. Yeah I'm right there with you. I actually prefer the over five and a half rebounds because I think there might be some nerves things like that but it just rebounds are instinctive and that's effort and I think he's GonNa WanNa demonstrate effort also unknown status or uncertain status. They would Julia local foreign derrick favors I just think his sizes is is easily transferable so I think with that high total over five and a half rebounds as a play for me. You know. It's a good point because you mentioned the injury situation for New Orleans. Islands are Kinda without All their big mentioned Oakland favors Probably Pretty Doubtful I. It's hard to say if they're gonNA play or not and you know the other day against Memphis. Their head coach was basically saying. Hey we needed some big bodies To get out there and bank when all those guys sat against Memphis so yeah over five and a half there for the rebounds. Can't fault all anyone for going over on the points as well and come on. We all like to root for fun. Who wants better under in this game but to your point the minutes count? We haven't had a certain fixed number on that. So so given the limited roster or the short Rosser he may have to play a few more minutes maybe they originally intended. But that's neither here nor there obviously a big card on Wednesdays. Few Games seems kind of jump out to me. I guess just if you have a play fire but if there's also like an opportunity just kind of talk macro as we are in the second half of the season I know earlier the podcast in a month or so ago. I mentioned how hard it was for me to kind of get a feel for the tendencies of these teams because there's so much turnover in the offseason. But I finally got got like a rhythm here I do. You have a good feel But he plays out for you. It's funny because I actually kind of prefer as much turnover as possible. You know I feel like I know the the The the player personnel pretty well You know kind of Always got an eye on chemistry etc This one's getting bad up pretty good. I did but the Lakers tonight. dog I laid eleven With them off that embarrassing effort the other night Against the AH Boston Celtics. They allow one hundred thirty nine points. remember this is a team. That's Kinda built on Defense Kinda strange. Anthony Davis comes back and and you know they just The defense kind of goes out the window. But I'll say this about the New York Knicks and I watched I feel like I've watched about every game The Knicks have played Probably more so since they made the coaching change etc was able to make some money on it. But this team can't shoot they can't shoot free throws a can't shoot three pointers. They can't shoot whatsoever. Doug so when you have a when you were thinking about playing anything with the Knicks You kind of look to see how the the opposition defends the rim defends the paint. And you'll know like the dicks me a lot of teams obviously struggle with the bucks for the bucks or the best team in the NBA it Any kind of resistance. That you have but the Lakers. The last I looked about top three depends what statistic you look at and you would think off allowing one hundred some points. A hundred thirty points. the defense is GonNa come to play and again these. These two teams met two weeks ago dug in in in La The knicks muster the whole eighty seven points in that game so I would go ahead and look Perhaps the Lakers. If you've got a chance S.. Fourteen total Nixon to the total. I think they're going to have a hard time scoring that one. Will they should and the Lakers kind of I don't WanNa say misleading but so against the best teams. They've struggled whether it be the box the clippers and I guess you can include the Celtics. They're but they're a little alarming. In that regard. Would you agree. Yeah I mean you know. Every team has the ebbs and flows. I mean we're seeing what the Houston Rockets and other team that's an action Here tonight And you know the Lakers played so well the first two months of the season. It's just so hard to continue to play at that level. Especially when you have probably a little bit more of a veteran roster I mean what is you know. What's the actual reason or the goal to go out there and kind of have that all all effort For eighty eighty one eighty two Games if you will see figure law was gonNA come Another play that I wanNA talk about How about the other game on? ESPN PHILADELPHIA AT TORONTO I did lay the the points here tonight with Toronto hoping to get a little bit cheaper. I know there's some six Out there earlier today too but I I'm a big fan of this Toronto Team mm-hmm I think nurses a tremendous had coached it'd be interesting to see what this team will perhaps do and really both of these teams Do the next couple of weeks At the trade ray deadline they could both use certainly another piece to contend with the Milwaukee Bucks if you will of course keep in mind Indiana's all the depot coming back right Right around the corner etc but Toronto has been so banged up All this year lowry was out Sack and was out Casale so they got all these guys back. They had a couple of games together with them. We saw them Against Atlanta Kinda. Hold on if you will. They beat Minnesota the game before for that But I think in another thing that Toronto has you know when when those big when those main players were out it gives them a chance. They have some of the best depth in the NBA. In a lot of these guys were were able to play. And I think that's the key advantage here. Philadelphia to me is Depth sized team. It'll be fine. Find once they get in the playoffs but I mean to me six seven deep if that remember Joel embiid continues to be out for this team so I thought this was a good spot. Good situation I like Toronto tonight. Yeah phillies really limited without him. Beat I know they did some things. Move Simmons to five for stretches but Toronto at full strength linked to your point with Van Vliet Back Siachen lower. I mean they're just the depth is off the chart so that would be the only side I would look at here. I'm you mentioned. The rockets gets kind of waiting for them to open up a can. I think he's been waiting a few a few days. I haven't chased But I wonder if this is the spot here where they kinda steamroll the nuggets were so shorthanded You know it's interesting. I I definitely looked at that game. And I I'm Kinda like you And you kind of expect that In one of these games and I think the schedule has been you know. Sturdy enough you know. Played the Lakers. Oklahoma City we know has been tremendous the best Against the spread team. And let's face it. They didn't make shots. I mean it was our seventeen the the other day. And you know Denver's banged up without three starters. The one thing that kinda bothers me about this game if you expect If if you are going to play the rockets the rockets went up and down the court December thirty first on New Year's Eve if he will Houston won that game against Denver. One thirty. You WanNa four now. Some people might look back and say you know. That's maybe a good matchup for this rockets team but I remember Malone was is mad about that game as any so far this year and they kinda turned some things around I thought shortly after that. So it's kind of concerning I would assume Denver Probably has this game circle a a little bit. Yeah they're just so shorthand is millsaps and all those guys out Yeah I mean Bill. Murray are pretty much out for sure that that I saw and Harris is doubtful so yeah I would assume all three of those guys are going to be out. Yeah that's another team here in the western conference are are really in the NBA. And you know they're they're not going to rush these guys back You Know Bill Sap. They kind of came back a little bit early before so I mean right. Now they're what third tied for third in the Western Conference. I mean they're not gonNA get. I mean I guess Houston's kind of looking up at them I guess if you will in understanding so Something there but it's not like Denver is going to be out of the playoffs the next couple of weeks so. There's no real urgency for this team or or for them to bring these guys back. Good point okay I did look at the Lakers. You've raised a much better sort of justification for it I just feel like you know you wanna bet on a good team and that's off that you know embarrassing performance anything else league totals or anything like that Yeah I mean I definitely we definitely have some other stuff out there trying to think of a Good Total to give you an instance Yeah you know the Kings are are an interesting to both. These teams are really been dreadful So far this year. But it's just crazy with the NBA and let's face I mean Sacramento. I mean there's second worst team in the western conference type for the second worst team. This team had playoff aspirations. They did last year. They came up short Obviously the move to Luke Walton. I mean they've only been outscored by three and a half points not even three and a half points per game which isn't great but it's right on the same wavelength of all those other teams fighting for this eight seed in the western conference so they've kind of changed things around a lot of from the start of the year they've connelly let fox kind of run things at the point. Guard position They playing at Finally getting back to the pace that they played at last year. Doug they've actually played played very small here as well And you know that coincides with the pace but I think you know from a defensive standpoint that means that they've been end up against the defensive efficiency kind of dropped off For this team If you will Getting the injury to homes but Bagley Is starting now. He played thirty minutes at center. the other day deadman kind of got together minutes and Giles only played a couple of minutes off the bench and those were big. That we're kind on a plane so it's really turned into kind of a small ball jellicoe a lot. Maybe at the five position so playing a little bit more UPTEMPO. It sounds like we could. Actually we have For Detroit Reggie Jackson maybe back in the fold gives them another point guard another score that they desperately need so I wouldn't be surprised. Surprised to see a high scoring game between Sacramento and Detroit tonight. Yeah they've been pretty thin with the guy can art out and Ozzy Blake Griffin out so the Pistons have been really searching for offense had a couple of plays a week or so ago banking on Langston Galloway to get it. Going and kristen would as well. And it's just toughened if everything runs through derrick rose and Christian would you really you can't be but yeah you still have derrick rose and again See if they get Jackson back. They do expect him Back this week so He's good for overs because he gives up points as well takes. That's what I was trying to get us but what I was good at. He's an over player. No question about it. I'm a man good stuff is always really appreciate the insight and You know each back on is now the football season winding down. Yeah you know I tell you what you know from futures perspective. I think it is fascinating of in the Eastern Conference and the Western Conference I I need to probably take a look at those odds and kind of see where they are. Obviously the box the overwhelming favourite in the eastern conference. But you know it's hard to get out of your mind line. What happened to this team? The last couple of years. What happened to them Last year against Toronto getting bounced out I think Toronto Boston Philadelphia the Indiana of course all the depot coming back. So you know it's a conference that goes six deep and you never know. I mean you don't obviously don't want an injury to anybody and you know John On. It's it's still kind of a one person team to a large degree. The Bucks and the Western conference boy that changes on a daily weekly basis You know just talking talking about the rockets and secede right now so it's another conference that kind of goes five or six deep the Utah Jazz playing the best basketball anybody Right now in the western conference so Yeah take a look at those futures and you know the trade deadline coming up so you know this is kind of one of the first years where things to me have been Kinda wide open. It's funny last year last year. I'm not as influenced by. Kawai is obviously the eastern conference landscape has changed so much more. Just can't get out of my head. I mean the bucks on a seventy you win pace. And you're seeing domination and the and the points per game differential like we saw the ninety-six bowls in the durant verse here at the warriors and their best their second second best players Khris Middleton and. That's what I'm having a hard time. I look there's no coli out there in the east that's going to tear through things like it. It is what it is. I believe even the bucks and say like well. They can't just because something hasn't happened just doesn't mean it won't happen kind of like Virginia. Finally getting over the Hump and winning it all. We've seen it elsewhere. I just just a more worried that like. Is this team just regular season bully. I mean I mean it's it's kind of obvious to a degree but I mean they definitely improved approved But that system is so good and you honestly he's definitely you know he's gotten better and rare remember last year in the playoffs. Doug I mean welcome. Brogden was the second best player. Yeah and obviously he's on Indiana now. So Yeah I it's it's You know it's funny because they've been tremendous so far this year ear but from a personnel perspective. It's hard to argue that they are better than last year. Fair Point Fair boom for the East not as deep sea. I think philly could be right there. Once they get healthy and obviously the Celtics without Corinne with Kemba much healthier locker room e. are always good catching up to do more often. You Bet. Hey thanks for having me on. You got pay that Hadman his money and that's certainly been the reaction because Matt has been collecting. He's been on a little bit of an eater of late. Humans although my Air Force Falcons did did not get there. I wish you would been forced more forceful talking to me off them. I guess Utah State last down the road. Well everybody's gotTa make their own decisions and You know I was on Air Force on Saturday lost and I was not gonNA play him in back to back games. I was very disappointed in the way they played. I watched the game on Saturday at Colorado State was off game where it's shot. Nineteen for twenty three and I love to fade teams up lights out shooting performances like that and The fact of Rams went into including arena and dominated air force. The way they did was pretty discouraging for me so I was not going back airports again last night but there were three underdogs in the mountain west late late last night. Two of those were dead dogs and Wyoming catching twenty three against San Diego State and the cowboys actually covered the lowy the cowboys probably the worst team in the league. So Yeah it was bad nights back dogs in the mountain West Air Force didn't get their San. Jose got crushed but That's the way it goes sometimes does and I know you're big on Ken. Pom That's something we've discussed even going back to a year ago and the podcast. Why Ken Palm and how can you use it to advantage? Well I mean I wouldn't say I'm big on Kim. I look at A lot but I I I think too many people take college basketball. Betters US Kim. Palm as a crutch and the the entire bedding market The numbers reflect Kim palms basically as fan match page age which shows margin of You know margin of victory in In each game that day and I I've always said I think the numbers are a little bit weak in November and December. We don't have a lot of data to go. I think they're too heavily. Weighted the numbers probably on the previous season. And you can. You can find a lot a lot of soft spots where maybe ten palm has a game pointing this way and you handicap it and you gotta pointing the other way. Trust yourself and don't be afraid to go against what can palm number say you know and I'll give you an example. I think you and I've talked about this before. And I was a Maui in November Put Out I watch Dayton and I put out a play date and minus two and a half three over Virginia Tech in the secondary condemn the Maui invitational and the first response from somebody on twitter was Kim Palm Has Virginia Tech winning the game straight up. So you know I. I don't give a damn what Kim Palm says about the game. Here watching 'em handicapping it and I like Dayton and they won the game by twenty nine points you know so a lot of people just Too many people I think rely on the Kim Palm Numbers WanNa bet that way and you know I felt like because I watched so much. The big ten basketball I felt purdue was most overrated team in the nation on Kim Palm. He he has had pomeroy had produced anywhere between like seventh and seventeenth for the last two months. What's and I I? I don't even think producing. NC Double A. Tournament team. I've got power rated in the In the low forties and yesterday you know Oh purdue off at Twenty six point lost Illinois in the first meeting was I think win by five. The numbers show prove by five of real annoy the letting market shield five and a half or six. I took the points though annoyed. Because they're the better team and As you know Doug we you know I've talked about this. I think this purdue teams have fade and You Know Illinois runs away with game last night. That's why we're handicappers and Tim Palmer. It'd be the first just to say you know. He's not handicapping the Games he's not trying to do this. Just what his numbers show but I think so many people rely it can palm numbers as a crutch you can look at that. See see where the lines are probably going to be how people. How do you think people are going to the games or where the betting market might move? And maybe I used to your advantage Produce a fade team. Felt that way for a long time. Probably since the early December Texas's another team and so felt that way for probably about a month and it was kind of odd a couple of nights ago because the Texas there was some movement on Texas against West Virginia. Yeah the number was ten dropped as low as eight and a half or couldn't figure out why as sharp money coming in on Texas Texas lost the game by thirty is one of the most Ridiculous Dick Asleep bad performances. I've seen by power five team in college basketball season. You know it was so I I I would say we're for teams go through Kim Palm for teams that are overvalued or undervalued according to his numbers what you might be able to use that to your advantage and they lost that game. I nearly forty by the way they were down. Twenty five at the half in the second half was pick them and I think I even tweeted. I'm like wow Texas looks like it might just fold. Has a real challenge is Joe. I think the final score might have been something like ninety seven to fifty nine. I stopped watching. What's about ten minutes ago? I the only reason I was still watching. It was like a train trainwreck. How bad because it 'cause this shock smart team be and you you look at it and you say you can't always assume coach is going to be better if if he moves up? The bigger conference has more resources to work with. Shaq a smarts ideal places amid major where recruit to three star players who want to defend for ninety feet and play wreak havoc right. He doesn't play Sil- anymore so he's not a special coach anymore. You know he's trying to recruit for five star athletes who these stick around for one year and they're gone and It's it's not working for him in Austin. So I I think shocker smarts mark's got to get back to a level where you know he got beat ozone game if you watch that Bob Huggins and the way that West Virginia Team Press Virginia the way they put the heat on taxes exodus. And the LONGHORNS couldn't handle it that's how shock you're used to coach and he's not coaching anymore and it's not gonNa work for him at Texas Doug And he certainly on the hot seat beat because of that. But I'm glad you mentioned Ken. Mom sort of the market moves. My favorite is when the models line up to the situational spot. That's the best because the model or say look flat spots exist I Look ahead spots exist. They're just they're kind of argument so to speak is that's it's just not easy to always predict and that's true. Sometimes we think flat lots coming in that doesn't and then you're like That's interesting but for the most part we love situational handicapping and there's been opportunities throughout the season where it just this kind of screams. That last week we talked about it on daily wager. Michigan state was a play like no other and they just got their butts kicked into by purdue the previous Sunday Sunday had five days off and really I should have been the play to be honest. We think about it but the game got there as well but that was a great situational spot. Does Wisconsin off a big emotional emotional win and it was just a beatdown from the start. So sometimes it's so easy. And I'm hoping the Lakers tonight is a great bounceback spot. But you got to be really kind of discipline in picking those and to your point on top of that the eye test so like purdue can be fade with the spot and then also the eye test like we had Maryland Arlen on Saturday both of us in the column because that is a good time to back Maryland against purdue off that big win at home against Sparty and on the road in which is a great then we got a couple of three pointers down the final seconds but we got there. That was more because Maryland was just bad in the second. Half you know and Maryland was is really bad in the first half last night and Really good in the second. But you know it's Maryland was also off a two game road trip where it lost both games. And that's why I felt like it was a really good spot against and I will say this as much as you know I'll say produce fate or Texas as a fade. You're still gonNA find those teams in good spots to bet some point. I'm more looking to fade them. But that they produce at home against Michigan State. I said there's no way I will lay those points. Got Up to four and a half. I wouldn't lay those those points against purdue home-produced typically great home court team even after last night's lost Illinois. I think produced twenty into its past twenty two home games you know so. And and that was a good spot. 'cause purdue Hungary home dog that day off a couple of OFF A couple of losses so handicapping recapping our form. You know that I mean it's in the The methods used are not always GonNa work when you talked about look ahead spots or flat spots or whatever. But I'm just saying that I like to look at Kim Palm With a few days ahead because I that helps you predict what the number is going to be. Sometimes I think how people will bet the Games. It's just strange to me. How the entire betting market over the past few years has kind of become a prisoner of the Qin palm numbers numbers? And there's a lot. There are a lot of really valuable numbers on that website. They use but I don't some numbers I don't care about it all. Yeah No. It's good it's good to aggregate all sorts of information but at the end like you said it's a very nuanced kind of industry. You've got to trust your instincts and trust your gut. But I I listen to everyone and don't blindly follow anyone so all right man. Let's talk about a few games tonight. since since Notre Dame's playing contractually obligated to talk about him. Because I think when you're involved in an Irish game you're about ninety percent on Mike breys crews at fair by the way I will say I think sometimes you blindly follow soccer handicapped. I will say this I will say this two minutes in we were watching the pod at work two minutes then I go all right. This team's GonNa win easily. Whoever's whoever's in red they're going to win I win? Live them and they want their up three. Sometimes you could just watch. It'd be like all right. Did you are on your APP and did it say the team in read to figure out what graphic. But I'm just telling you wanted to dumb it down to just watch. It was born myth but sometimes you could just watch him and like all right. This is obvious. Sometimes you gotta block out the noise right you gotTa Keanae for soccer. You know I find find it hard to Watch that stuff but good for you actor during the day. It's actually during the day champ. Week doesn't start for a while we need that afternoon. Action Action Syracuse Notre Dame. The first time these teams played a couple of weeks ago. I was on the Irish catching three and they won that game. Eighty eight to eighty seven. I was a wild game carrier. Dumb flip sides. I've been a little bit disappointing. I think this might break teams underachieving a little bit and Syracuse playing better ball. There's no question watch it about it. Jim Boeheim at the words. Pick up a couple of road wins. Virginia Virginia Tech in the past ten or eleven days and buddy behind. They got some three point shooters man Syracuse can shoot it I think this is another type of game just like the first meeting. That's going to go to the wire. I saw five five out there. I didn't get it. I wanted to get the five on Syracuse. I'll take the four and a half Like you said a little bit disappointed. In Notre Dame's current form and the fact. These teams are meeting for the second time in such a short timespan. In fact I think it was early January. Let me get to the exact update on that. I think that was the game against her right. January fourth was one of these teams. I played eighty seven. I like I said I was on the Iris. Everson the first one I'm GONNA flip and take Syracuse four and a half here I think the Irish stalled out. When in a way at the carrier dome and I think Syracuse Syracuse? Got A great shot to win this game. If you feel that way take four and a half points all right good stuff there but in the big ten we've mentioned the past but the home-court has just been off the charts this year. It's gotten to be like forty one in eight or something ridiculous straight up about sixty five percent. Cover percentage as well for home team to the big ten but obviously purdue ah last night we will annoy wire-to-wire to win. Or what do you think of this Penn State Michigan Pretty. Well actually let that game by one point at the half last night and got really you know you have foil doors blown off in the second half Kinda like northwestern Got Destroyed in the second half of the fourteen point lead last night. So you're gonNA see a little bit of regression in the big ten homecourt trend in the second half there's no doubt about Okay as far as this game. I'm leaning Michigan here The wolverines had been Kinda limping into this game lost Was it three of the past four. But all three losses were on the road during that stretch and Isaiah. Zale fibers is Mispronounced livers is Got His Groin injury and he's questionable. I was trying to see an update on this yet today. I I think questionable. You're gonNA find he's probably a game time decision Michigan's it's totally different team without him. Not obviously not nearly as good offensively and I think that's a major reason Michigan's been in this current slide like losing three of the past four. You know you think about this the team to beat Gonzaga by eighteen points on the neutral. You know in the Bahamas and late November Michigan's Michigan's got a ton of potential when fully healthy. But they're not at that point right now a penn state's off A big revenge game. You know got torched by Ohio state in Columbus the first time around. Pay Back against the Buckeyes Over the weekend I like Michigan a little bit in this game reading Michigan. I'd like to know if Versus GonNa play or not That would put me on Michigan for sure if he is growing. Injuries are tricky man. They don't heal quickly quickly so I'm not intimidating he's GonNa play but Michigan is eighteen and two straight up and it's passed twenty at home and You know just this is This is another hungry home team here. The desperately needs to win. I mean it's not guaranteed to Michigan is going to be in NCWA tournament. I think it's pretty good chance. WALGREENS will so they're gonNA have to start winning some games Here in the second half and you know when they're short handed. It's been difficult lately. I LEAN MICHIGAN MINUS Five. But like he said I've not played that yet but that's one I'm working at Doug I'll ask you quickly Fourteen teams obviously in the big ten and two of those fourteen have. I've been eliminated eliminated from tournament Contention at this point that's Nebraska northwestern I think purdue. Excuse me on thin ice. I think Iowa Minnesota being a little bit of trouble Joey Brackets had twelve big ten teams in his NCWA field about a week ago. I I think I think the conference gets definitely nine and maybe ten in the tournament. What do you think we got rutgers in rutgers is ranked rutgers ED rutgers a rare ranked matchup between Iowa and rutgers tonight that that was interesting so I it's just fascinating to me that Ohio state somehow crumbled doubled to two and five in conference? I can't believe it just given how great west and locked in all he physically looks great but just how well he was playing. I think if Ohio state in Michigan do a little damage in the postseason tournament their conference tournament. I think they're in. I think they get there. I think just like the brand name all that stuff and it's a wide open year so that's also the thing we need to compare it. I think it's one of those things where the automatic bid tournaments are gonNA play a huge role in this like they always do but this year particularly because there's going to be so many bubble teams with all these fringe teams right now. Can you really make a case that Minnesota and Indiana that much better than Ohio state in Michigan. I think I think the second half of the conference is GonNa really dictate a lot. You know. Indiana's got a nice Was I think sixteen point home win over four to state not much else on Indiana resume that jumps out at you You Know Ohio State Michigan both out some pretty high quality wins. I think those teams in pretty good position assist even with the recent slumps I would think Minnesota and purdue or the I team's on the bubble in the big ten you know and I think rutgers in a pretty good position like you set anyway anyway. We'll talk about more of tonight's games. Yeah I know the you track the UNLV running rebels. It was your former Beat on the Las Vegas Review Journal. And they've kind of a nice pleasant surprise surprised this year At least at least for my is what do you make of their game tonight. UNLV the is seven and one is past eight games. I mean things Roku Roku pretty bleak for this team and then The turnaround came in late December. But I will caution one thing here. The rebels during the seven and one stretch have only one road win and that was that Wyoming and over time and that was a game of look like rebels you know they were trailing going to the last minute looked like they were gonNA lose. Who's somehow got the game to overtime and then covered a seven point favorites in overtime? I just wanted to bad beats about the season if you had Wyoming and the points in that one but up you know this. This team hasn't proven to me. Can can win on the road against a quality opponent yet and also San San Diego states on deck. That's the game to talk about Rebels host San Diego State on Sunday. She got a huge game. I know those guys have one eye on that. This is a rivalry game tonight but You know the guys on the UNLV team didn't grow up in the battery that they don't care that much about a rivalry with Reno they're thinking about trying to knock off twenty in San Diego State on Sunday at home so you got a bit of a look ahead spot. You got a team here. That has improved. I can win against quality opponents on on the road and lay four and a half with Nevada. That's the way I'm leaning. I haven't met this one yet either but I probably will buy tonight's tip off Beyond the Bada Minus hopefully minus four four and a half right Matt Lange feels like the right spot because of all the bureau be watched over the weekend by the way the the The wolfpack went down to San Diego and the lead the Aztecs at halftime by one played a really good first half. I mean this team is capable of playing. Well I've seen flashes of really good basketball from the data of course aren't they. Yeah of course well they. They got a couple of experience guards. I mean they're not they're not baby-faced or anything like that. So Steve Alford. I think doing a pretty good coaching job. He's got these guys playing better so wait tip by the way it's like the last. It is the last game him on the regular board rotation tonight if fifty seven eight fifty eight she got time to make up your mind on that. I think it's going to be a running game. It's GonNa be an entertaining fast paced game. The total is one forty seven. I one forty six and a half probably over both. These teams have been playing fast paced with a lot of possessions. And I. I think this will be that type of game but I would lean Nevada in the over tonight and reveals all right. Let's go to look ahead to the weekend just because the nature of our podcast scheduling on the nature of basketball being dated. Football's obviously much more of a better fit but There's some games you have circled Donald Stars Marquette Butler on Friday okay. I'll be brief on this because I haven't done a lot of work on it but I think you might have situations setting up to Could be a decent play on Butler bulldogs and they were a number one seed and Joel Nargis bracket a week ago. I guess what it lost three in a row Marquette's one three in a row. You got two of the best scores in the big east going head-to-head here. Marcus is Howard in thirty two last night. Kamar Baldwin. He's a big time. Scores Guy can get his shots off and a variety of ways. I think you know you're going to have have a once again. A hungry home team in the Butler bulldogs here up. A three game losing streak it's GonNa be Butler or pass. I'm not sure where that number is gonNA come. I would think somewhere are round Butler minus four or five but I you know I actually have not worked ahead on Kim palm yet to see where he projects that game. But I I would say four or five would be fair number to lay with Butler on Friday. I think the bulldogs will snap that losing streak. The I mean the signs off of them a little. You know. They've lost three straight straight now after losing to Villanova last night. But you're right the better spot and it's off obviously at hinkle there Saturday. Big Twelve as e showdown now. I've not been impressed with Kentucky. The all things considered I was on the bulldogs last night. Got Their snuck under the number there and this Texas tech team might be kind of coming sort of like blossoming. If you will. I wouldn't say that if you watched last night's game yeah Now Lost Yeah. Red Raiders lost last night in Fort Worth. TCU TCU PRETTY DISMAL offensive performance. It's you know one thing Chris. Beard struggled with this team is consistency and he had mice. Ramsey was out for a while during that losing the streets early in the season. So Texas Tech Really I don't think it's put together a long stretch of really good basketball yet. But I'M NOT GONNA bet against tech off a loss oss pointing in Lubbock. DNC Kentucky team. That I think is I would say rather pedestrian by John cale standards you know. It's not a great three point shooting team. I don't think you have the high end. NBA Lottery picks on this roster like Calipari had in the past. This is going to be Chris Beard off a loss and home weighing a small number. I think probably be on tech on Saturday but That's just a look ahead at this point early in the week but that's one game I have circled at this point about Baylor Florida in Gainesville number one ranked. I've been yeah but looking for spots day. They weren't took ten with Oklahoma on Monday. Night and Even though I'm not crazy about the Oklahoma team Lon Kruger's and our guys got his team playing better basketball right now. Austin Reed shut to for ten from three if Austin Reeves knocks down and open three and transition with seven seconds left Baylor gets knocked off the number one spot. Monday night. They went through the three. They had a lamp. I thought Could have but you know reeves is typically a really good shooter and I didn't mind the decision by the point guard hit the wide open shooter in the corner for the three. You know when you're on the road in a situation like that I thought it was okay. Reeves just didn't make the shot you know if he makes it. Nobody second guesses that decision Asian I. I kinda liked the decision by the point guard. He's wide open. Doug he was. You know you just kind of floating a little bit. Didn't get his feet set. Bother me anyway. But that's it's not only to your point. Yeah reads Had A little bit of an off night if he shoots a little better baylor gets knocked off. I think Baylor team is going to get knocked off. Florida's Mike White Scott forward to playing a little bit better and Gators lost by two last night at Lsu there off that blowout wyndhams really good spots Saturday to play Florida Order Against Auburn. I think this is pretty good. Spots play forward against Baylor Bears are an elite defensive team. I think they're a little bit limited offensively really. I see but I don't Wanna I don't WanNA say Baylor in San Diego San Diego State or similar teams but Because I think a personnels there's a little bit different but both really good on the defensive end of the floor and I think both are GonNa go through offense droughts it gets offense shortcomings on the road here The bears bears did win Allen fieldhouse Kansas Hugh twin. It's big reason why they're number one in the nation right now I think the gators got a good shot to get them and this is probably going to be. They were minus one right. Number one team in the nation has got to be favored by a little bit on the road. Taylor one one and a half I I'm I'm GONNA look at. The gators is home dogs in the spot. I know a lot of a lot better have been trying to Fade Bay. Were named after game and I think that's going to happen again Saturday. No I agree. I think that's the only side I I would play. I mean they. They get me every once in a while. They got me on Saturday with okie state secondhand. Just just have not read on this damn team well well that they come into the game line in stillwater to it's just insane well that's going to say that's I think you had to read on that game played Oklahoma state. That was the right besides just the wrong result in Baylor should not have covered by game. That's bottom line. Mean they bombed threes down the stretch oak state crumble. When you get that with bad teams but All right well good stuff is always Really enjoy kind of rolling up. The sleeves dived deep into this stuff. Because Basketball's down the forefront with Just one game left in the Super Bowl Do you have any early play on the Super Bowl at all before we let you go. I do not. I'll talk more about that next week. I'M GONNA be look forward to seeing gene. Our Buddy John Murray at the whisky super come Thursday night. When all the props go up he's going to be Too Bad you can't make it out there. There's going to be you know everybody from Las Vegas. Betting community is going to be at the whisky super book on Thursday Nights. Kinda like You know the twice a year get together. It's for Super Bowl props and then the August just when the super book has this Big Golf Tournament. But it's always look forward to that man when the props go up I have not taken a stance on the side or the total. Even though I have an idea via or I'm GONNA play. I don't WanNa say anything record and to say you know decided to change my mind this week but I I will definitely have a picking mind by the weekend for sure. This makes perfect sense. I'm on the IT's a coin flip and I will only be firing on prop stance right now so great as always appreciate it and down. We'll talk to you on the TV airwaves soon as well. Okay you bet thanks. Stocks Not guy is Kryptonite on a stick piece started as a ticket writer in the handle has gotten a lot higher here in the last hour. Now he's a racing sports book director. I have the guys at work. You're calling me Mr Director and not looking directly into my eyes where people brought in a whole new staff this year. It kind of Seinfeld esque move where we just rotate. The guys to the material doesn't get stale weren't having between a hot tub and ESPN kicking is for losers. Boy Is it and actually you can make a case that the you have C. is now got some kicking is for losers moments and I'm going to explain that in a little bit. That's what we call a tease in the business. Because I want to hear it on that Murray but I I mean NFC championship game. You force a three and out get the ball you drive to midfield. You have a hall of fame quarterback on the fifty yard line fourth and one. Why do you absolutely ridiculous and I saw I think it was Mike? Lombardi Bharti said he thought that Leflore coach that conference championship game is about as poorly as you ever seen a coach coach conference championship game. And I can't say I disagree. Disagree just totally outmatched forty dollars. It is just criminal to do that. And I've said it before we always talk about players coaching but coach's joke as well and referees choke as well we saw them. AFC title game a year ago with the rats and coaches. Sometimes the moment can be too big for a decision and and it's happened time and time again. It's just coaching practice to do that. And we talk about it. Roy Afam what are the niners wants to do they want you to. Of course they do. Of course they want you to point. I also thought later in the game the the Green Green Bay was probably the forty. niners pundit I think they were on like the Green Bay forty fourth and one up by fourteen run for about one hundred thousand yards in the game and I was a little surprised she shan pumped up all the way the ultimately didn't matter. Yeah I think some of that's just the twenty eighth three blown lead kind of rearing its ugly head for Shanahan. We saw a Viking second-half game in them but in the end what we saw we saw it in week. Seventeen against Seattle where he almost blew that game. The niners almost blew that game to the seahawks. Probably should've blown that game to the seahawks without an assist from the refs and if that had happened four to five seed and I don't think we'd be talking about them playing Kansas City in the super bowl. Probably not probably not. I just thought everything broke their way and look they got the lead with the rushing attack and they were the better team for sure on Sunday but that packers decision obviously could have really changed the game game the packers get a lead then. Maybe Garoppolo presses a little bit. You never know. But we do have the chiefs and niners and you've seen some action on the over and you've seen a little action on some buyback on the niners right Here it's really mostly been over money to the side. There's more money on Kansas City. There there has been some action on San Francisco as well but so far. The big decision for us is the total. You've got all these straight bets on the over you've also got all the parlays or going to the over whether they're parlaying it. Forty niners and over or chiefs in over. It's all going to the over so as of now. It looks like our big need in this. This game will be the game staying under and of course the game staying under and being a little more on the boring side is generally good for us in the prop markets as well. Yeah so we'll talk about about props in a moment but I thought you guys took some sharp beds on the niners now. I don't know about sharp bets on the Niners There's been some money on like when we were at one and a half a a couple of guys grab one and a half with San Francisco. I don't know how much of a difference that is between taking plus one and plus one and a half but no so far. It's the side has just been pretty split. The mostly Kansas City will based on our database. And I know they're the the seahawks patriots. A few years ago was a pick em at some shops. We did not have that. We've never had in our database. A pick em line. Do you think we'll get pick him once. He arrives a week from Sunday. I think it's possible that you'll get enough you'll get. There's going to be so much public money money on Kansas City but I think the sharp guys are going to San Francisco so it just depends on how much how hard they come in on the forty niners. It wouldn't surprise me if we did see some pick them as we got closer to kick off the the wise guys seem like they're not gonNa let us let the number get pushed up any higher. Like if you're like if you're waiting to. I Bet San Francisco plus three. You're going to be waiting I agree. I don't think it's going up. I don't think it's going up. I think it's coming down and I think we could see picking by kickoff. If I think of weather might change things a little bit especially that total. Look it's outdoors. I know it's south Florida but hey the only boy ben do with Peyton Manning. Rex Grossman Super Bowl over a decade ago. That was that was rain. So you never know with an outdoor stadium agree and I do think it's I think the consensus of some of the short guys I've talked to out here is that San Francisco is a slightly better team than Kansas City. Not Saying it's a big gap. I just think San Francisco's a little bit more of a complete team. Probably a better coach team and we saw how undisciplined Kansas City was defensively. In the first half I don't think they're gonNA be able to get away with that against the forty niners and Kansas City fell behind in both of their ASI playoff games. And I don't think they're gonNA be able to get away with that against the forty niners either. 'cause the forty niners are so good at running the ball and they're so good defensively true but things unfolded quite conveniently for the niners. They got sanfer. Excuse ME MINNESOTA IN niners playoff opener. They got the Vikings on a short week on the road in a skittish quarterback who is just like Kryptonite with a defensive front like that so it was just a perfect kind of first opponent for I agree with you but there's no there's very few teams recently that the bracket break bread are better for them to Kansas City. Kids city got every break in the world. I mean they got a break even even before. The playoffs started when new. England lost the dolphins in week. Seventeen and they got a bunk incident by And then obviously the titans did them a huge favor going going into Baltimore for them so that they wouldn't have to go on the road and win at the Ravens and they can have a conference championship game at home You know I've been saying all year I think mahomes is by by far the best player in the world but can't sit here very fortunate and how everything broke for them this year to get them to the Super Bowl hundred percent agree on that front. I I just my I guess my point is. We can't put too much stock in how. The games unfolded because a noun. This since you brought it up so eloquently getting both teams caught a break in terms of how things have unfolded some bad. We need that but I I guess what I'm I'm not expecting the chiefs to fall down to scores like we saw the first round. I don't think so either but just some questionable. Coaching decision decisions from Kansas City. On Sunday caught my eye I mean how about when when the titans lined up to punt down by seven and and they went with the fake punt and the chiefs didn't see it coming and they actually got a first down after on the third down play. They threw a pass. That made it like a more manageable. fourth-down just send your defense out on the field if they putted if they're dumb enough to punish and it goes over your safety's head and rolls ten yards. Don't worry about you just got the ball back up by seventeen in the fourth quarter. I think you're going to be fine. Yeah no I know you. What does that high school coach down in Georgia? I think it is just as Hupa guy back. He's like you're putting you're giving up take it wherever it lands. I know that Kevin Kelly the high school coach Arkansas. He doesn't punt or kick field goals. It just goes for it on every fourth down right but I respect that guy to. There's another coach out there that I don't know about that doesn't put a punt returner back. I'd like to read about him too. I think it might be Kelly. We might talk the same guy anyways so I was out in Las Vegas a year ago for bedding doing a story. Vote Vote for television writing story as well for DOT COM. I won't be out there but it is quite the spectacle and that is Thursday night. Are you guys ready. Yeah Thursday night. At seven o'clock our time we're going to turn all the props on John You know. It is a spectacle and it's fun you got wise guys from all over the world. Come out here to nail us on those props and we write a ton of money that first night but the funny thing is usually the bets that those guys are making. And I'm speaking in generalities usually those are the best that we're going to be rooting for. Come kick off next weekend again. 'cause they're betting a lot of things under their betting a lot of knows. Will this guy score a touchdown. No will there be a safety. No well there'd be successful two point conversion. Yeah no and usually. That's the stuff we're rooting for when we get to kick off you're going to hang. I don't think you were rooting for the the one hundred one. You know staff late last year and that was the funny thing last year was we. Had you know we told our executive team root for a boring game basically and you WanNa put it as as plainly as you can root for nothing to happen and we should do very well on props well. We didn't want that little to happen. You you know we didn't want nobody to score a touchdown and that's the kind of thing when you're when you're telling your your top brass like here's here's what we need. Here's what we don't I need it. Never even occurred never occurred to me. I'll tell you that much to say. Hey root for someone. On one of the two teams the score touchdown. That never crossed my mind. Well I got ridiculed for two weeks two weeks podcasting talking about that prompted hit so I felt like a little who was ridiculing. You man extreme like come on this this is one thing to mention the providence. I kinda overkilled it and there is but anyways your twitter twitter trolls out there. We're giving you a hard time trolls. They give us feedback attention. All right my I see a prop. I already like graphic. Caesar's posted this one little early. Lean hair early nibble Odds on no rushing touchdown for the chiefs plus fifty Yeah I got a team. Total choose team total like twenty seven and a half twenty seven. Yeah you gotta I think one of them are is going to be on the ground but I know that Kansas City does live through the air. Obviously with the best quarterback in the League and San Francisco is very very good defensively civilly so that that might be a nice plus fee to get involved with plus two fifty. I think you know early. Law Early Action. They will not bad. You're here are your just chomping at the bit to start fired on these plus do fifty means twenty nine percent. You think there's better than a twenty nine percent of that chance of that happening Okay yeah about I just I need you to do this for me. I need you to pace yourself. WE'VE GOT A. We've got a long way to go here. It's only it's it's not even super bowl weekend get. We've got the the harrowing bye week this weekend with the pro bowl and then we've got Like it's kind of funny tomorrow is going to be super busy with the profit and Friday will also also be very busy with a prop excitement. Saturday is GonNa be busy. 'cause called troops Sunday this place. It'll be completely dead. And then it'll get progressively busier busier as we get closer to the weekend and then certainly by Friday very very busy at the counter. While I'm already on record and I'll there's a I I hate the game is better. I hate the side is what I'm saying. I don't think you can like I don't think there's an edge anywhere in picking the WHO's losing to win this game. I I just think it's GonNa be an awesome game so I need a firearm props as much as I joke about. Nfl I actually like genuinely interested in this matchup up. I think it's a fun. It's a fresh matchup. We're not nothing against the Patriots but it is nice if you're an outsider to not have to sit through another patriots more than we can all I agree on that unless you're a new England fan. Obviously the only the only thing I will say I think the total is too high and I think you can. You can go under fifty four and a half right now. A few shops in in town. I see Caesar's south point at fifty four and a half I. I think that number is too high but I mean we'll see can't city is so explosive on offense. Some San Francisco has such a good ground game. The chiefs have struggled to stop the run. I just think that the total is a little inflated but I agree with you about the side I I don't know how you you can get an edge with this line of Kansas City minus one one and a half. The game is just a total tossup. I agree with you the total on hoping it goes up and keep. You've been on that weather as well I. That's that's a if I had to pick a side or total I would play under but I don't like you said I still feel confident that you know. It's still random. Game like not a random but edgy. There's just you got to explain this to everybody and and I'm sure everybody understands this but you don't have to bet on the super bowl there there's going to be so many games and so many fights and like there's all this college basketball that weekend then there's NBA. There's hockey there's there's probably UFC. I think there is. I mean you don't feel like you need to bet a side in the super bowl just because the symbol turnbull. Now I want you to. Because I'm a bookmaker I want you to come in and bet on the superbowl. I'm just saying there's probably other places. You can invest your money where you'll have a little bit more of an edge than in the super bowl side market which is usually pretty tight and you have live betting too so yeah you could probably talk me into a teaser. Plus seven and a half or seven and seven eight if he gets there but other than that I I still don't again. We're GONNA tease her with like the Knicks on Sunday morning. I mean I don't you could do an open teaser. To some of those eggs no games. And maybe like You San Francisco plus seven and a half to the Seattle Seattle Dragons The following weekend at the DC defenders just an idea you think that XFL betting markets can be pretty tight. That six points is where the I you know I've done like three or four. XFL interviews already this year. So I consider myself to be something of an expert on it. Well we're going to be talking a lot. What about it leaving leaving the voice of the XFL is fired up? Yeah actually thought later Steve leaving. That's a pretty good get man. That's good I agree. It's going to be a lot of. Yeah so it was really good. Actually he asked me a couple of betting who is the favourite. WHO's this and I'm like I don't know I don't know either? I do interviews about it all all the time. Apparently I don't know anything Just got a fake it till you make it man. I'm going just like we saw with the. AFL was a cold a couple years af the alliance American Football Lotta unders in the first week right all the first couple of weeks. You know what we really saw kidding. Aside was those first couple of weekends gins people were they missed football so much and they were really firing on it. I mean not my big time but people were absolutely betting at those first few weeks but what happened. It is the calendar flip to March. And everyone's attention went to college basketball and it never came back to AF and then the league eventually folded. I mean we got bigger problems than people watching college basketball. I'm not saying that but I'm just talking in terms of our betting here at the West Gate once college. hoops season started or ramped. Up into look postseason. I should say everybody kind of forgot about the. As well it's IT'S A it's a tough road ahead. I covered the NFL. When I was in Vegas? I've mentioned Jim Fossil. Did the coaches show now. That was Gosh concurrent with the NFL but it was on like Wednesday. Sean McVeigh was an assistant coach in that league. I think he was on Jay. GRUDEN staff the Florida tuskers. Yeah Yeah so I. I didn't realize allies that 'cause I covered those press conferences when the tasks at a big win at Sam Boyd Stadium Against the Las Vegas locos and I know Jim has was on the the big names or the coaches. Danny Green was the coach One of the teams I think the Sacramento team I forget who the Hartford colonials coach was that might have been colonial. I just it looks like it was Chris Palmer was he was the guy from the expansion browns coach. Do try doing like a thirty minute. Coaches show on like a four six sixteen league with only two games per week Oughta buys that sounds like a long show. It's tough to thirty minutes show in the locos did not play. Did you know that the president of I I had a lot of highlights seven-minute highlights for for one game. The owner and president of the Florida tuskers was joe size. Men that I didn't know I'm I'm Donna officially down the rabbit hole here of the Whatever this league was called all right? We're scraping the barrel. Let's get back to the headlines Zairean any props. That's where you guys. Yeah Yeah we did you know we. We took a question. We put it up tonight Just put up his points in his rebounds and tough numbers to make I think because is you don't have anything to go on. You don't have any regular season games to go on and you don't know how many minutes he's GonNa play right. I mean I think that's something you really gotta look at tonight is how how many minutes do you really think the. PELICANS ARE GONNA play Zay on we opened. We opened his points number at fourteen and a half and we opened his rebound number at six and a half and we took some small bets from some sharper players and we moved down to fourteen and six respectively. But I think they're tough numbers. Resume 'cause you just don't know what to expect from these guys tonight or from Zion tonight. Excuse me right yeah. I'm over five and a half rebounds already that number gone up a little bit It's exciting. How many minutes do you think he's GonNa play? I think the real question I. I don't think it'll be fifteen to twenty minutes anymore. I think more a thin with breath favors and locavore. But I just think like I think nowadays you don't bring guys back early. I think you bring them back. And it's fresh legs. Legler talks about it all the time that I aim fresh legs is really favorable. Oh that makes sense especially this time of year where the guys are starting to get a little tired before the all star break I just I. I've I'm the Pelicans I'm not really too worried about hunting down the eight. See this year The I mean design Williamson is that franchise and they gotTa make sure. They do whatever's best for A Manuel big. Move in the bonanza. You had a teaser right. Yeah to dimes on the teaser. You got your nickel complain. The chiefs solid win win. We're about even I think actually now that I think I'll have the have the exact numbers next week. We gotta get our players. Maybe we got to avoid some sneaky nece like some prices right stuff so maybe we need to like. Maybe I need a snail mail. You might place. I've seen Dan. You Know I. I've seen kids on twitter tweet at US saying that they would be willing to like do the accounting for the banana next season. It could be a possible intern. The situation like Darren intern situation. I think we should explore that. I've always wanted to have like a Darren under my wing. Yeah some guy tweeted a me you too and I say this it's like it's like too much to handle. I have a spreadsheet. I just sometimes don't bring that laptop to the taping of the pot. I forget one time you got a lot going going on. That's why you need a dare and he can set up a high tea with Mr Newman. Something like that for them. I love when I lived in Vegas at channel. Thirteen insurance nondisclosure. This wasn't as funny as it was on Seinfeld now now now we were all business take grammar grammar quiz to start because they the right for the website you know you gotta go get your and they're all in successful broadcasting career so I'm really proud of all those those wonderful Darren's if you art man great stuff is always good luck with the props and We'll have a very elaborate podcast schedule next week. So we'll we'll stick and move. Yeah next week. I'll have a lot to report. There's really not much to report now. Seriously we did have we had one bad guy went over fifty two and a half for one hundred thousand one ten to win one hundred thousand and there's been some nibbles in the market. Generic props are up but next week when we talk all all kinds of sharp action to report on props and we can dive more into the match up looking afford to it as always Mr Executive Director. Talk to you later. It's not your fault it's not your fault or that does it for this podcast us. A pretty deep and extensive dive into football aunt homeless star. All right that's GonNa do it for this podcast three-man we've if you will so thanks is to professional better Aaron Renting Matt Humans of Vegas Stats Information Network and as always Mr Executive Director John Murray of the West Gate Las Vegas Super Book a fun time of year. Aw hoops picking up steam. We've got the SEC. Big Twelve challenge or whatever. They're calling this weekend. Obviously the prop bets coming out tomorrow and thanks to everyone. Hope you all enjoyed it. We've got a Zairean flavor tonight. Travis you gotTa Lean on the Zairean props I just want to see him. Go out there and put down. We'll it's crazy. The highlight video of practice. Act is not forget summer league the practice when he was dunking on like other NBA guys and they were just astonished at his athleticism notice. Goes back to the summer but still I'm expecting something off the charts tonight for sure talking about practice man yes we are because that's all we have but we're going to be talking about games finally tonight with Zairean really good stuff Just it's just exciting and to have another star that has a lot of eyeballs on. I'm sure ESPN's very appreciative. John Ralston so I think people really want to see him. Mm step up and do the same. Well yeah and that's a discussion to John Marines minus two thousand so one to ten odds to win rookie of the year. Zion is less than half of season. Would you take him at sixteen to one. I would not what I think. Moran's GonNa win this thing. But of course he starts putting up twenty and ten the rest of the year when not something to consider okay next week. Super Liberal podcasts. I'm going to be in Miami for a day so travis and I are going to iron out the schedule for the podcast but maybe even to next week with all the Super Bowl props and we can get some good voices voices on as well all right until then though enjoy your weekend. Finally I get an off. Weekend comes Saturday and Sunday. So back to back off as look forward to that but we'll be back to the grind next week ahead of the Super Bowl.

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Power Forward Rankings 2019

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Power Forward Rankings 2019

"It's going to catch up on some ranking slits do power forwards, and we're going to start a chorus is what is a power forward. Am are general criteria has been that. If you are a Issa's be a criterion would slay one if you would be power forward on most teams in the league, maybe not necessarily where you've been playing this year at what you're playing for your current team that makes you a power for and that will come into play for a few guys here, generally the lines blur little bit more between power forwards and centers than small Ford's and power boards because we kind of default towards making guys small force because there's such a dearth of small forwards. But we'll talk about specific guys as we get there. Why would decided to make them a power forwards to me if you can't shoot threes, or at least be very capable ought to shooting lawn twos. You're probably Senator unless you know, you're just too small to guard centers or you play for top tiptoe RIP, and you also probably need to be. Able to guard some on the perimeter have some switch ability. It's a sliding scale for a lot things we handle the ball a bit more than center would you're more likely to be a power forward. If you could put the ball on the floor attacking a close out where are you standing on offense? How would your offense? Look if you put a center next to you, those are a lot of the factors that we consider. Yeah. And dig for this small forward power Ford ones, you probably heard about that in the podcast. We did if you haven't you can listen to it there. But really for me there to distinctions one is if you absolutely cannot defend the average opposing small forward like Denault account. Nari is a good example here like Gallinari is a four because he's not really a three. So I think that's a distinction to make. And then also one of the decisions we made in the previous one was to put Ben Simmons as a power forward. He is one of the hardest guys to define because offense overall in defensive roller very different. But at six ten if you were given you know like a normal team. I think. That's the role that is probably the closest approximation. You probably wanna put your four on him. Maybe you're three and so you could make arguments for probably three different positions. But we're going with power Ford for this season. We'll see where he is next season. Yeah. He in theory plays point guard for the Sixers in the full court. But then he hangs out in the dunker spot. Most of the time on offense for them has a great bull handling skill defensively. Yulia mean, he's just the size of power for, you know, six ten guy if you look at it doesn't really have the lengths to be a Senator defensively does have some more versatility. And certainly if you have the versatility to play other positions, that's gonna bump you up these rankings. Even if your primary position is a power Ford. And I think that's a good place to start here for my number one. I'm going to say one more thing. Sorry. This is an important criteria element. Is that this is thinking about basically, it's the same as we talked about for top ten players. It's I think that for the next season and postseason kind of ninety s. Yes. So this is not building a franchise. This is not winning a game today. It is that. So if a guy is a better playoff player that helps but if they're a bad regular season guy, and as you said versatility pliability malleability all those things really do matter. If you only do one thing. Well, well, some teams don't need that. And that can be a challenge. So that will come up a lot in the power forwards because a lot of these players have are very specialized or have specific weaknesses that are hard to reconcile. Okay. Thanks for including that at division temperature. So Jaanus is my number one guy, and he is in his own tier as he was in the top ten players that we did last week swirling argument that he is the best player in the NBA. And Anthony Davis was my number two guy who was in his own separate tears. Well, to your to a is that compare to what you have we talked about some of our Russian elder. Okay. So you're you're so we're having Davis as a power word for this. Yeah. Because as we did last. This year, I played center. But if you just look at the position and he's better as a center, but if you just look at the position that he would play for most teams to me, he's still a proper he conceptualized as himself as a power forty doesn't want to have to play center at strand for for most teams it's much easier to find a Senator to go next to him. Then another power forty can shoot or more wings, or whatever's. Let's why did you put him on most teams you'd be taught about the as a PowerPoint? He's got the perimeter skills defensively and shooting the ball to be there again. I there's a bunch of guys in these lists that will look at as like, oh, yeah. This guy would be more effective as a center, but realistically kind of fits into the traditional conception with a power forward is any also would play that position. For most teams. We also have the president. I think Draymond green. So good example here for guy who plays overwhelmingly at a different position in the playoffs. But because his primary position is power forward. That's just where we have him. So for those who would go net direction then. Yeah. I think at the Davis is better as a center when you can. Do that. But positional scarcity all this kind of thing. So yeah, I mean, I had a pretty big difference. I mean, I had gone. This is the number one player in the entire league a week ago and still do. And so I think Jaanus is separated from Davis, and I have Davis separated from everybody else's well because he is just a I think he has brings a much larger possession by possession impacting Davis can have these peaks. But he also has times where he's just not as involved in the offense and Yana says a wonderfully impactful defender, so that is not an advantage. Davis has on him which he does on damn near everybody else. So yeah, I think that there are there certainly teams that would value these players differently. But y- honest, I think is has proven himself to be at a different level this year. And then Davis versus everybody else that we're going to talk about he is such a dynamic combination of offense effectiveness, even though I think of him as more of a defendant player. You know, you need somebody to get him the ball and heat can still. Be really really good. But when you combine that with defensive player of the year potential, even if it hasn't fully actualized all the time in the regular season that makes him stand out over the other guys. Yeah, I think is versus -bility defensively as well is perimeter skills and rim protection. Just not something that you really going to see very often. And so this is somebody say, hey, if you're in past years have voted AD is like the first team all in BA center. That's what he's been playing. The Cisco argument that he's been playing more Senator he certainly can't place that I think he's even better at center, but still when you're looking at the traditional conception of what a power for it is and where he would put as that's why haven't there Janas over a D being separate tier? I think it's very clear the honest. The Cisco argument is pretty much all in Janas favourite disappointment Jaanus way, more efficient Saint type usage. I mean, this combination of usage and officiency. I mean, we really have only seen that in a couple of other Susan k D's thirteen fourteen season Steph curry. Some of his best years. There's really not much sixty four percent true shooting and over thirty percent use during they just don't see that kind of combination very often. You could also get honest the ball much more easily just throw it to him. And he goes as opposed to a D where you know, he could dribble certainly, but he's not gonna really face up an attack off the drill from the three point line against most defenders more control in the post more, comfortable pick and pop in for Elliott's do a lot of that stuff that really the pick and pop and then defensively I think you'd say they're pretty similar value to each other this year. So any honest just been on a much better team impact metrics like a lot more. So yet, that's why you honest to me is is in a tier above and then AD would AD in his own tier fuse while at to your too. Yes. Yes, he would be an some of that is his capability on both ends of the floor. You can use them in different roles. I'd be in the fact that you can play him at center really does add value compared to some of these other guys. And I think. That he while. He's an imperfect player. Everybody is his flaws are much more manageable. Like when we get into the other guys. There's always a yet. But they're wonderful players and IB they're going to be, you know, the my top five or whatever we're gonna talk about here. But it's harder to eat. There's something in there. Whether it's like a weakness in the playoffs or like, a roll Nisha or something like that that it's it. It's hard to argue that they are a better overall basketball player than Davis, even if maybe on specific teams, they could be a better fit. This is also a good time to pride another reminder, which is always important on these sorts of things that don't get as flustered by rankings within a tier those are ones where the lines of division are exceedingly close. So for example. My next tier has four guys in it that if you're like, hey, the guy that's number five should be number three. Okay. Like, my the whole point for me of tears is you can probably make a reasonable argument to have them in a different order. It's more about where they are relative to everybody else. And then the order. Is my personal preference or something else like that? Yeah. We'll get to that next year after we talked to you about one of my favorite players to watch actually setback with my buddy, who's up from L A and watch some old Gilbert arenas holiday. I'd forgotten that he really was one of the first guys who is pulling for like really deacon ahead that quick release such shot. So he could get it off from really far away. There's that playoff series against the broad where he hit what would have been one of the more famous shots more famous but shot in NBA history except LeBron beat him out on the ensuing possession is hit this crazy like thirty foot three on an inbound to give the wizards the lead against the castles or some classics series. Not kill it also wasn't just known for his blank style. But also for being one of the most dynamic personalities in the NBA, and that's why should give a listen to the no chill podcast that he's started. You remember that he was one of the first to actually communicate directly with fans Beck with his blog. In the mid two thousand before social media took off and now Gilbert is continuing that tradition with huge guests like Kevin Durant, Nick young Matt Barnes, ice cube and going to have many more top gusts from athletes to actors and comedians. These episodes are an hour long and Gil Shire's unique perspective on the game. Who's playing the personalities urging in between his co host slash Bruce or Mike Botticellis worked on the NBA circuit for over a decade. So they can dig in hot topics trends burning questions each week. The no chill podcasts is a healthy dose of all things rance with his stories his ideas and his unique perspective checkout every Monday for these raw, unfiltered and unpredictable episodes. The no chill podcast is available on apple podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you're listening right now. Don't forget to check for new ones every Monday, or if you have Himalayas you can listen a daily, though, it'd be Sunday catch up on old episodes and start listening today to the no chill podcast with Gilbert, Iran. So where to cut off this tier four two. Me was probably the most difficult. Well, actually, no, I'm sorry. You said you actually have how many people in your next year four. Okay. So I have one and that Ingram. Okay. See I originally had that. And then I moved Blake Griffin down into tier with a couple other guys. And the reason why is because I worry that what he does an and moving him into this year. That's a pretty big jump from where I had him last year. He's he deserves that. I mean, he's had this wonderful season proven that he can take on a larger role. But offensively what he does you know, he's wonderful regular season player. But I have these real real concerns about how it's going to work in the playoffs you face superior defenses. His his own women's on that end of the floor are going to come into stark relief. And so while there is that meaningful difference in the regular season. The merchant there for me was not sufficiently large to say, okay. I would definitely rather have him than let's say Draymond green. Who was in this to your for me? I you know, I haven't ranked. Of him. That is that is the way. I would choose it. But to me the case wasn't definitive enough to have it as a separate here. Yeah. And I think dream runs regular season. Fall off to me was what made me move Blake up and Blake. I mean, he's really at a meteoric rise. It's me I think I had him at number six last year. And you recall probably a big reason for that was to to health. And but I mean, he is been the one good offense of Blair the one above average offensive player on a team that's going to make the playoffs and he's carrying enormous load. He's doing so efficiently he's really moved into a different level as a playmaker as a three point shooter. And he just much more difficult to guard now than used to be towards the end of his clippers days. And while we saw I mean, I thought last night was a perfect example. We saw it in person were Blake gut shut down when he tried to go one on one against Draymond green. But still overall had a very efficient night because he's able to shoot some three pointers on four five pick and rolls. When they go under. He's able to handle the ball and. Get switches go against weaker defenders find ways to get to the foul line is free throw shooting. And he's one of the great stories as far as the way he's been able to improve his free throw shooting in his career defensively. You know, he's average at best at this point his career. But I think it comes down to what you're what you'd prefer here. I mean, I think for a playoff series on a good team. Blake does a really scale that well dream on green does with his defense and passing. Where's Blake really can ask to have the ball to be effective ag-? You put Kevin love maybe who we're gonna talk about a little bit in this category. To as a guy is going to help you get into the playoffs. But maybe not help you win at the absolute highest levels. But I think he is just so far superior on most teams in the league compared to what the guys below him or going to give you with Draymond being a big one of those that that's why I had it may in a separate here. But why didn't you if you if you have anything else to say, they're not taught bubble already? I think that Griffin. He certainly benefit. Hits from being, you know, an offensive engine especially in a position where that is exceedingly uncommon, but I don't think of Griffin as so much better than many of the options at other positions. It's just that he can do it. If you don't have anybody else. And so I'll well Griffin has proven over the course of his career that he can be effective in a smaller role on a very good team. The lob city clippers earn obvious example here to me, he's providing value in that circumstance. So if you have let's say, Mike Conley. Like, I would rather have Mike Conley run my offense than Blake Griffin. And I don't know exactly where my Connolly's going to fit in my point guard rankings. But he's I don't think he's going to be like top five or and he's out in a why that is. I mean, Blake Griffin is Warf isn't with his own scoring. Conley is Bri Luebbe better passer, but Blake is gonna drum or help to where he can make more presently. Now, commonly has no help either often simply, but I really would look to see Blake Griffin playing with some actual shooting on the formulas point guard. Reggie Jackson has been. Okay. I would love to see Mike Conley. Play with an actual shooting too. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mentioned that. But like, it's a, and I think it's just harder to come up with a way to deal with Griffin for a lot of teams than it is a Mike Conley, for example. But I think Blake I'm just so impressed with what he's been able to do considering how limited the rest of this. Pistons roster is offensively. So that's why I was a really higher on him. Now, I do think if you have really good defenders you can stop him because he's cut still reliant on backing down and using his size. You doesn't really other than just shooting? A straight jump shot off the the pick and roll he doesn't really have the ability to face the basket and create his own jump shot. So if you have enough size on him where he's just back down. Then it becomes a problem. But there's a lotta team sisterly that heaven. I mean most power forwards. He's able to kinda just go right through them at this point in time at any Zabel to handle the ball enough that it's not like you can just stop. Him from posting up. You can just walk right into a post up a off the dribble. So yeah. I mean, I do think he's been really really good this year in a way that I I wouldn't event before the year. I would never thought that he'd be this good. And that the pistons would I mean, I I wouldn't say never thought they'd be in the position that they're they're in bed and think that they would do it this way when you consider that some of their other support players haven't had the greatest years. Okay. So now now I think we can compare. So I have these next guys in the same tier? You have them presumably a different here. I'll just go through my three the other the other three guys I have in this, and it was really tough because all of them have different strengths. And I'm not completely sold on any of them. Which is also why it was hard to put weekly Blake Griffin here. But their reasons for that. So my three guys are Draymond green Paul Millsap and by Harris, or as you milta- way higher than me. The that's really interesting because I just think Millsap is an offense of life -bility at this point in time. Yeah. I mean, he's he's an offensive liability. Who has a fifty percent true shooting on? Twenty percent usage. Like, he's a low usage guy. But I I don't think it's fair to be like, oh, he's a huge negative there. When he he checks us specific box. And he so great defensively that he he really makes a lot of things happen for the nuggets. Like is. He so great defensively anymore at age this age thirty three season. I think so I mean, he's not like Draymond green or something like that and very much strengths and weaknesses will be something. We'd talk about soon. But yeah, I mean, the impact metrics still he's the number one true power forward and defensive rpm. He when when you watch the nuggets play, I think that that a lot of what they do materially better when he's on the phone that was obviously a part of their fall off last season, though, they've I think they've handled that better overall this year. But yeah, and he's also something that dropped off last year. Some of it might have been due to health is Millsap wasn't the amazing defensive rebounder that he's been a lot of his career. He's back up to twenty point four percent, defensive rebounds. That's that's that's very good, especially when a guy's playing the four next to a big all of the time and. He's he's a different type of strong defensive power for it. It's not like Draymond where. Okay. You put him in a lot of the scheme stuff kind of sorts out from there. But he makes teams better. And I think a big part of why Denver when they've been able to put it together defensively, which has been a lot of this year. It's been Millsap driven. Maybe I'm just underrating. I had him at like number eleven. Wow. And part of that too. Is you know for starting the season right now with his age is miss time with injuries the last couple of years was a wrist, which you know, is probably not really predictive of future injury. The four point one three point attempts per one hundred possessions. I mean that is a pretty low number to me that it's just a concern. I think that their offense runs a lot worse when he's out there. And he's not really able to take advantage offensively in mismatch is the way he used to you just don't he's not good enough to run things through. And then he's either got to hang out in the dunker spot is not really like a great finisher from that position or. Shooting thirty six percent from three. But the low volume is really the bigger issue. Takes them a long time to get it off as well. So yeah, I guess I just have a bit. As impressed by what he's done this year as I had been. I mean to have him above, you know, Kevin love or Tobias Harris or is what you'd rather have mills out than PASCAL. Siaka ahead him above Millsap. Also, well, Siaka I mean, it's it's really a question of how much of what he's doing. Now is a hundred percent rate. Like if everything that Pasquale Siachen has done this year is if the three point shooting and everything carries over then. Yeah, I think I like his brand of defense better CRM has a lot more verve offensively. But you know, when somebody shot twenty two percent from three last year. I'm not going to sit there and go, oh, this is all this is all there. And I believe I believe in Siachen. He will do I believe he will do well in my rankings. But I mean Millsap is is a wonderful defender Siachen versus Siachen versus twice. Harris was one that I really struggled with because I actually like Siachen better as a player, but it's just it's how do you deal with the guy who broke out this strikingly this quickly, and I'm a little bit risk-averse with that. And so with mills out I like what he I mean having having him next Yokich is such a good safety blanket. Now does that mean that they will defend Super Bowl in and playoffs not necessarily mean if they face Houston? Let's say in the second round that could be a big big problem for them, and Millsap doesn't cure those things that could ale them. But I'm okay with that. And offensively I mean this ties in I think this this difference of opinion that we have in terms of the value of offense at the power forward position is. Yeah, Paul Millsap is a low usage option there. If to me if you have a if you have a normal team structure, you don't need as much offense from that position. It's a value add, but it's not a requirement, and it certainly helps I mean, but, but if you're going to ask me like, for example, like didn't account are who we have as a power Ford is a massively better power forward as a as an offensive player. But you. Can it's easier to get what he brings at a different spot than what mills that brings. I think a Bill sap that he is healing and PJ Tucker as kind in the same category guys these days anything built up also as slipped a little bit in terms of his individual defense moving his feet who's another concern for me. Maybe it's just that. He on this Denver team the fit on offense. Just really hasn't worked out as well. And that that's been I'm overrating that. I mean, certainly the impact metrics where he's been in his career those things that would support your view of having a little bit higher. So part of this is just looking forward as why really it should to see what kind of playoffs Millsap is going to have. So let's get back to where we were here. Giving your your tier three again. Trae mon- Blake Griffin. Paul Millsap Tobias Harris. So you have dream on above Blake Griffin. No, no, no sorry. I Blake Draymond Millsap Paris. Now Blake Blake is Blake above. Draymond was wasn't something. I thought about. Why that wasn't as much deliberation? It was just whether Blake was in the same tier? So my two year four is actually seven guys, and I've really struggled with this Draymond Kristaps Porzingis whom we haven't mentioned it at all yet. I think we don't wanna lose sight of how awesome he was. And he used another guy. Where'd you put him as a power forward or as the center a pretty much played power forward? So far in his grew. We don't know if you'd hold up physically at center, he doesn't really wanna play center he said he'd be willing to insert matchup lecturing in a quote today. I think the Mavs plan on using them. They're a fair amount. But so far has been a power for it. So maybe he'll be a Senator in future years. A few guys that we're going to get to you might end up being centers later, but probably his power Ford's now. But he I mean, he was just so good. What healthy that you? Hope he the taking plenty of time off you hope that he's going to be able to come back and be pretty close to what he was I'm pricing in that. He may not be unquiet the exact same trajectory, and I'm also pricing in the potential for injury here. But. Me his contributions on both as especially I mean, his rim protection is just so so good with at seven three. I mean, if he's in the area, it's really really difficult to score over him. So that's why I had a little bit higher. He's actually my number five guy just due to that upside dri models, my number. They'll let let me mention with horse. I guess he would have been in this tier for me if healthy, but without that a big guy dealing with a lower body injury. And we just haven't seen him play. I priced that in a little bit. So he's in the tier below. But yeah, if he if I if he let's say he had been on the court a week ago and I had seen him play. No question me. He's in this. Yeah. So we're we're just counting the injury. Will right right foot three guys. Just scares the crap out of me. Yeah. And so driven I think during this regular season has been worse than a lot of the guys below him as the by number four right now. But I do still think his screening his passing his intelligence the to get by ovens, even if he can't finish at all anymore. The three hundred actually has been a little bit better. Louise. Under thirty percent on the season. And other than one year has been around thirty percent most of his career, but there's still I don't think there's a single defensive player. I would rather have in the playoffs in him until I ultimately any said some really nice playoff run. So that's what it comes down to for me of having him a little bit higher than some of these other guys. So I got him for porzingas at five Kevin love at six. I've got love above heresy. You're I think you're higher on Harris, the Niamh, let's talk about him a little bit shirk Harris. It's it's a little bit of a different case. I I had some trouble with this because harassment most of the you're playing with Danila gonorrhea, and I have on the record saying that I thought gala was having the better year. But I think Harris fits in better on a larger variety of teams and in the playoffs because he's not a great defender. I think Harris is overrated as a defender, but he still can can do more things and is more viable on that end. And I think that's going to matter to the Sixers a lot in and it would to any other team Harris. Sixty percent shooting Twenty-three usage. This is the fifth straight season. He's been above a above average intruding though, this is his best season. He's been over forty percent from three each of the last two years taking six point six of them per under possessions, which you know, I would like to see that number higher just had like disease UC fire budget. But I think that's more just due to the circumstances. He has been in route. I think his game would he could scale up a little bit just if given the opportunity now that opportunity probably will not present itself in Philadelphia. So I'm I'm arguing counterfactual at least for the period of time. And also like that Harris's getting to the line a little bit more. Now that was a big strength of his earlier in his career. And then as he's become more of a shooter. That's toned down. Not a surprise that happens to players, but bringing that back a little bit is really useful. And that would be be huge for a lot of teams. So he's a challenge for me because he is a clear cut for me complimentary player like he's not Blake Griffin where you want to put the ball in his hands or anything like that. So actually, maybe in some way. I probably shouldn't have him in the same tier because Blake Griffin is a better version of that. Like oh of parts of that. Like, you can do a lot more with Blake than you can with Tobias Harris. But like that his scheme versatility offensively. I think is is really useful. You know, the he can get his I think he's he's capable with the ball in his hands. But he doesn't require it. And that is a hard needle to thread for a forward. It's a hard needle to thread for a guard. And so that means that you could pull in play him in more systems offensively now defensively is not great. And so if you have inferior talent around him, then he's going to become a bigger problem. But I really do value that sort of a guy, and, you know, that's so I don't know. I think that that's useful. And also, I mean if we want to get in. Let's let's talk about Harrison, then we'll talk about Kevin because that is another big disagreement that we have. Yes. So harassed me. I have a number seven, and he's he's officiant is a good shooter. But not not quite the type of bomber where you're just like, oh, man, we really need to. For this guy. You're not like running actions for him to take threes necessarily. I think he's below average defensively not atrocious. But a guy who power forward it is significantly worse than your average property is not protecting the rim. It all he's slow on the perimeter is not really going to get around screens of you're playing a conventional style not gonna stay in front of the best guys. He's it's hard to find a great place for him. You're generally putting him on some of the guys who aren't as threatening. And then as the help guy is not really doing that much. So I think it's been telling me that the clippers really haven't missed him, particularly since he's been gone, and you don't really feel him out there in the game on a night tonight basis. I don't think that teams are really scheming like art how we're gonna stop to by terrorist. He's just not that type of individual score is just more of a secondary guy and a valuable one. But I just don't see him as someone who puts the best teams over the top of Twi didn't think the Philly putting all their eggs in that basket was. Necessarily the best. I still do have number seven. Let's talk about Kevin who I have at number six. I certainly acknowledge his defensive issues I acknowledged that he's not as active as at the absolute highest levels dulas defensive issues. Do the fact that the best teams are going to have someone who can handle him reasonably well in the post that he is kind of reliant on either getting to the foul line or shooting the three but any gun right back to where he was also the injuries to I think you can pencil in for twenty miss games per year. But I mean, he's played while since he's come back to Cleveland, the usual thirty seven percent for three thirteen three point attempts per one hundred possessions, which is the most of any power Ford on this list. The only other guy in double digits is Nikola Mirta with a eleven point nine Lowery. Barca's is third in that kit at nine point six three point attempt per one hundred possessions that just has so much offense of value, especially when he can also go. Oh post up. And so you're getting a guy who is big enough to defend him in the post away from the rim or you're going to be in a mismatch down low on the block it, and I think he's just really a wonderful offense a player and a guy who might not help you once you get into the second round of the playoffs that much, but is really just a huge offensive engine for a team that I mean, what's happened in Cleveland since he's come back in particular me is been remarkable to me. So I'm a huge fan of what he can do on offense. And another guy who the impact metrics voice thought was pretty good. So are is your reason for not being as high in him just the his weaknesses? That's a take part of it. But not all of it. I mean, so for me the argument, and yeah, Kevin love. I mean says that the Cavs. This is impressive. They have a one thirteen offense rating when Love's been on the four this year, and that's a lot better than they've been otherwise. And I think that gets to the sitter twin ideas for me with Kevin love at this point in his career. This is this is Kevin Love's h thirty season. This is very different than it would have. Twenty seven or something like that. I am of the belief that a love driven offense can be very good. But not not in that like really elite level. You know, like you're not going to push it that hard that means that you need other players around him like he makes an offense better. But I don't think he makes an offense. And so that that players valuable that players useful to be to be absolutely sure. In the three point stuff is is there. So so, yeah, that's that's a meaningful positively. It's it's it's not like a Blake Griffin level positive or something like that. But it's still, you know, meaningful and useful. Then you get to the other end and love he's so bad defensively that you you have to account for him. You have to scheme for him to other teams are going to attack him all the time. He doesn't really have a position or role on that end. So you're sitting there going, okay? How how are we going to deal with having him on our team having him in our lineup in that is a much more challenging balance to strike when you are not as good offensively to me as he was you know, and. And remember this is comparatively twenty-seven not even like last year or something like that. And so I just don't I I don't think it's necessarily worth it as cleanly as it is. And then I mean, he's borderline unplayable in the playoffs like after after the second round. And so that's more of a tiebreaker for me that's not their there. Guys were going to be doing fine on my list who have similar concerns. But you have that you have the injury history. You have the fact that he's now into his thirties, and maybe he can be better physically than he has been this year, obviously because he's missed so much time. But if I'm projecting where his offensive role go where where it goes. Yeah. He's you know, twenty percent usage this year. He's been in the mid the low twenty s when playing with LeBron over the last couple into good player. It's useful player. But I don't I don't think that guy like let's compare love to PASCAL Siaka someone we haven't talked about yet. They're very few teams where I would rather have Kevin than PASCAL Siaka. Maybe like baby like to. Oh, you kidding me? No way. I I I have love. Above puzzle, discreet. But like, basically every bad team you'd much rather have Kevin love sit than you're just gonna you're. Of team every bad office. So so how many truly bad offense of teams are there that are actually trying to win. So like what is trying to? Well, because like I mean, well because if you were if you're not in that kind of stage of it. I mean it PASCAL come. You know, he helps give you a defensive identity if you don't have a point guard. But if you don't if a point guard, you're not going anywhere anyway. So yeah, can can move you from twenty-five wins to thirty two wins or something like that? I don't think those are marginally important or the that's fair. I think of the Siachen clearly unlike this year's rafters you'd rather have him. There's when you're trying to build a team without weaknesses. Siachen can kind of skill will be better decent passer. Does have the ball in his hands some to be effective guy? I do think when he doesn't have the ball. He's kind of an offense of liability. The shooting is not quite there in the volume to grow. But defensively is versus. Is outstanding. But I think theory lot of teams that could really benefit from what Kevin love is brought him in the end be were overstaying little bit. Because I don't think that love is like so unplayable against like unless you're going up against one of the top five or so just absolute turbocharged offenses in Cleveland clearly was able to get by with him fill the last few years and still make it to the finals granite against limited competition in these Ben Simmons another one we should talk about. I have him at number eight I have him. Oh, man. Why did I have him above PASCAL Siaka? That's that's a tough one. I'm gonna actually MU I'm gonna change that I'm gonna move him down just one below PASCAL Siachen. But so Poon the sacrament eight Simmons at nine and Gallo at Ken and that closes out my tier forbid sevens. I I mean, I've said before I think he's the most overrated player in the NBA or certainly right up there. I think you just take so much off the table offense. Other than in the half court. I'm in the assists. Look good, the rebounds. Look good, though. You know, he's like killing people on the offensive glass his defensive rebounding size for him to grab and go. But other people were talking to get a lot of those rebounds. So the whole triple double thing that is into that. And the full court stuff is great. But I think he's a negative offensive player in the half or a big counter to that. Now, it's interesting because you, and I haven't been almost the same spot, and I consider myself higher on Simmons than you. I think that's just with where these guys are in because Simmons limitations are really important. I mean, Ben Simmons. I I went through synergy stuff. Just because I've been thinking about him in this context for last couple of days, and he's Idi nine th percentile in pick and roll. If you include passes one point, oh seven points per possession while but how many pick and rolls is even run not that. I think it's like seventeen percent of his possessions or something like that. It's not and they and his usage is not incredibly high the threatens almost never run pick and roll right off. But I mean, but he, but if we're talking about like that he can do that. I mean 'cause remember the seal new he's not. Doing that. With like drumbeat. He's doing those with like JJ radically. He needs like to do it with like some awesome shooter. I think they could try him more and pick and roll. Thank I on a different team with a different structure. He could do he could do more than than the Sixers are are asking him. Now, it might not be successful. But he could I think that there are there different things that we're just not seeing because their team is just so unusually constructed now some of that is because of an Simmons, obviously. But again, not also he he is forced in transition one of the big counters for Simmons. I have nine. So it's not like, I'm banging drums, saying he should be higher on this. Do you want to guess how many shots he's taken sixteen feet and beyond this year off four it's actually twenty one. But he's only made one of them. And that's not great. I mean, even even if we're downing him as a power Ford taking that few shots and he's taken eight hundred seventy five this season. So it's not like he's just it's twenty one out of one hundred or something like that. He just doesn't do that a lot. You don't when he doesn't have the baldness hands in his on the perimeter. Let's teams off the hook. You know, there's all the stuff that they can do fading back and also Simmons a heap because of how extreme his weaknesses are. It's the hardest place him on different teams. Like, you have to need something very specific. And have something very specific for him to thrive outside of that. You're gonna run into big problems. Incidentally, that's kind of like Draymond green offensively. Like, I we didn't talk about this as much but Draymond green outside of the warriors. Ecosystem offensively his his flaws would be much bigger problems. And you should and he shouldn't get credit for that. Like we've seen that in the recent past when Steph and Durant mistime this year, he cannot scale like you as a score you can pass a little bit more. But he he. He cannot do that. And that that's a real problem. You know, if you were to put Draymond green on various other teams that don't have this insane amount of offensive talent in their starting lineup. He's problems are a much bigger deal. And that's kind of what I think Ben Simmons is a good representation of where that can cause problems at least Benson's can fish, right. A little bit at least dream on can pretend to shoot a three. Let me close out this to you. Don't do Rita Danilo Gallinari. The health is a concern. He's been healthy this year. But just he just been so officiant at sixty three percent shooting and unite both talked about how that probably over-rates him going forward. I'm kinda I'm kinda thinking maybe I should move him down. What let's say the thing with with Gallo there parallels for me with him and his current teammate, Lou Williams where you have to to square the idea of that he's a negative defensively but easy good enough offense to justify taking the plunge and the answer for me with both those guys on most teams is yes now on certain teams. It's. No. And that's why he's where he is on the list. And you're right. I mean, sixty percent shooting one of the big parts of that is forty four percent from three which is an outlier, but even in the high thirties where he's been before that's a really valuable player and Gallo is fifth among all forwards not just power for DHS in ofensive RPM this season. And I'm not saying rpm is not rankings. This is not there, but just to give a framework for how valuable he's been on that end of the end of the four this year in offense of RPM. He's ahead of quiet. Leonard Tobias Harris Chris Middleton like that's the year. He's having now we both feel that that year is better than we would expect moving forward. If we started the season today, but it is worth acknowledging just how good he has been in. When you're playing a guy at the four who can do all that who can be you know, twenty four percent usage can pass the ball can pass the ball can help initiate. You can do a lot of successful things with that type of player. I am going to move down into tier five just because I think I just got caught up too much in what he's doing this here instead of looking forward what we can. Expect from him both with the injuries. And that the shooting would sustain a end the defensively is pretty pretty statue Esca at this point in his career. So I I did move him down. So a thou- close out my to your four once again, Draymond porzingas love Harris, Siachen Simmons are my four through nine. We will. 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The time around the program for twenty five hundred dollars of interest free credit that dot com slash cap space in us that slush cast base. You are ultimately came from us. So we don't I think now that we've gotten below here. Need to go through the exact order. I of did more in terms of tears now. But I distinguish between Scylla guys that I saw as either real big positives on defense, and like adequate offense and just or the opposite. Like really really good offense difference maker on offense, and you know, decent enough defensively with the guys are like all right? These are just starner's refined not gonna kill you. But they're not really gonna make a huge difference on either end, even if they're not necessarily hurting you either. So here here's by next five Gallo who you convince me to move down Paul Millsap that he is young great defensive season for him PJ Tucker who has moved. I moved up. Up a lot after seeing how viable he wasn't blouse last year. And then Nikola miratec is the other one just because he is such a three point bomber that he's a great guy to have Ron opened things up for the rest of your team. We saw how things changed for New Orleans when he was healthy last year those injury history Cecil book, so those are the five guys that I had I differentiate them from a few other guys who I don't necessarily. There's a few these quite fun this guy, but sue sorta solid starter is like your Aaron Gordon Marcus Boras offering comedian Marvin Williams, those type of guys is that make sense to have those five guys I mentioned I as being in a different category from the other guys I mentioned, and there's a few others that I haven't talked about yet. Like, Julius Randle John Collins, those are harder to classify for me. I do think it's justified because I ended up doing something pretty similar. So the way I the way I described it for these next two tiers was above average starters. And then definite starters. And so what above average starters is to me they're bringing more to the table or they're taking less. Off you know, it's really one or the other because if they did both of those things than it'd be higher. And so for me, I didn't move Gallo down this far. He's you know, he's more of the bottom of the last year for me. But Thaddeus, young Nicole merchant you're in mind, I had built up above and Kevin love. So those are my only three here PG. Tucker was a close omission for me. He is in in the definite starters. But not the above average ones. Just because I'm not all the way there. You know? I think that he is young has been better defensively this year, then PJ Tucker. It's a close call. And then those guys offensively. It's it's kind of about what you're what you're seeing needs. And I kind of like some of what that young does even though I wish she just was willing to shoot more threes that would really help and you know, age for both those guys we'll see where they go moving forward. I mean. Yeah. J concern. It really is. And so so that was where where I kind of separated out was the was the like having here. I admit that I'm I'm lower right now, I just wanna see where he is for the rest of the season. And I'm a little bit cautious about how he's game is going to age not. Terms of like three point shooting or anything like that. But in terms of the usage that he can take on. And we're his game goes defensively because I know a lot of like there are a lot of people who did this. I remember Paul Pierce was an example of this of like, oh, he's not a great athlete. So him losing half a stepper step. Isn't that big a deal? No, it is a huge deal for players who are already not physically gifted. Because then when they lose anything because it gets even harder. And so I think that's something. I just need to watch him more. It's very possible that by the end of this season. I'll be like, okay. Kevin love your you're in the tier above. I'm totally fine with that. So and miratec you and I both been I mean I've been on him since he was since he was draft prospect. He was just somebody who fascinated me he fits in a lot of different systems can can hit open shots not as bad defensively. He I think the euro label actually unfairly hurts him, you know, he he can get after it. He's not perfect. He's not like at that young or anything on that end. But he can he can help out a team he's not taking his much away. And so that's why to me he is. Above some of the more offense over defense guys. Like, let's say John Collins or somebody of that ilk who just because because MIR Tich takes less away on his negative side. Then he's more viable in more situations and circumstances in surrounding teammates. He took her to justify wives. We'll hire in the new the ability to play small ball center to switch really one through five being effective. So much of what he's done made Houston's defense viable last year. And he used the biggest part of that in their defense was outstanding last year in the playoffs. So we'll see whether he's still got it their offense. They're always concerns me. He will get those timely offensive rebounds in the clutch once in a while, not an amazing defensive rebounder though, and the shooting, waxes and wanes. He's doubly makes plenty of corner. Threes above the break. I'm still not as much of a believer in finishing around the rim is a little bit of a problem as walled attacking off of a close out. That's. He does a ton of as a roll, man. He's adequate at best, you know, which is something that he needs to do in that Houston system with James harden, trying to get the switch or or go after the weakest defender, they do have to throw it to that romantic once in a while if there's a double team, but I was just so impressed with with his defense. Am as someone who doesn't really have any defensive weekdays, I think he's just so important in the type of system that you're trying to create a young young. I think he's not as good defensively will lay change I think young can be a better one on one guy a lot of times than Tucker, especially against quicker players who are gonna face the basket. Tucker can be a little slow young also has some of those defensive rebounding issues, but he's much better offense than took her as a one on one guy. He has the ability to attack mismatches in the post, which is not something that Tucker really is going to those guys are are about equal here. Let's talk about some of these. I think we're kind of ingredient of work is like a new Marvin Williams and Marcus Morris. Those. Those guys are all kinda just I think I would have them above the germy grant Joe Michael Green group of guys or geyser kind of similarly one way on the other end like your cow coups Ma Bagley would be that category. John Isaac would be in that category. As more of like a defensive guy offense of limitations. So I have those guys in tier below but for like Morris, amino and Williams like those guys at least you have enough to way ability, but it's very tenuous for those guys as we'll see we're going through some of our visors, and especially if you're relying on three point shooting, it can kinda change their of aiding descend like that kind of category guy is just like, you know, solid starter baby blow ever started type, but he's not incredibly dynamic. He I actually drew the line pretty differently from you. So for me, the the definite starter group was guys that provide, you know, provide enough value. And then you're you're just kind of sitting there wondering if they can deal with it. So how I drew it between. So I've definite starters. And then fringe. And through. What is what does that mean? You're sitting there wondering if they can deal. What wondering if they can deal with their weakness. So John Collins is a great example here. So like, John Collins strengths are amazing. But you're sitting there thinking Ken kit or is it justifiable. I can't Kennett team. We've talked about this with the hawks before I can you build a sufficient enough defense around him. But I so I had in that definite started groups to this is if you wanna think about it in terms of numbers, it's my fourteen through eighteen guys. I'm not numbering my rankings anymore, but these guys, and so I just trust them a little bit more. I do think that's the biggest biggest differentiator, maybe they're viable in different systems. And I again this. This was the hardest line for me to draw in terms of tears, and it's my group was Aaron Gordon Alfred Amedeo John Collins PJ Tucker, and Jeremy grant Collins was the hardest guy to include here because I still don't exactly understand what his ideal role is defensively. How you how you make this work because a guy who can patch up. What he does defensively is going to screw up their spacing offensively and all all. All those sorts issues there, but he's so damn effective and has been such a godsend for their offense that you know, we talked about this with their other guys like that. And not that they succeed in remotely the same way. And Jeremy grant like I just I really like what he does defensively not the same type of guys PJ Tucker, but allu- again, maybe this is just me valuing will usage defensively capable power Ford's more than you. But I like him better than somebody like Marcus Morris where Morris takes you know, I don't think of him as having as much defensive upside more of like a stable participant and more suspension for taking bad shots and inopportune moments is something that I've never been super comfortable with Morris was shooting the crap out of it early this series thirty percent from three now. But not a guy that you're gonna leave the three point line. And then I think he's an underrated guy one on one against, you know, say you're gonna says and your LeBron's and you're Kevin Durant. Like, those type guys he he's got pretty good size it and toughtested against those players. I agree. I'd like to see. Fewer by so long twos. For many never gets to the rim or doesn't anything there. So he's someone who could easily fall off it and kind of has been falling off a little bit of germy grant, the thirty eight percent from three is good. But the volume just is not there is still not really getting guarded. And I think he's a big underrated problem having him at power forward for why? Okay, sees offense. It just has been less effective. I mean, it's really he might look better on a different team where your point guard is a better shooter. And you have a higher volume guy at the two m maybe you're center can shoot it a little bit. You know, he's probably in the place where he's going to kill you. The most offensively we'll end beyond that granted in a tough spot in terms of portion credit defensively. The thunder are magnificent on that end with their you know, with a lot of their starters. But they have Paul George. We've both said is a are they magnificent. I mean, they're like below average the last two months. Well, wasn't that a lot of that being the backups that was my memory? I. Could be I my memory was was let me roll everything. But giving give me give me a second. Okay. So what I'm using is the filter here is I'm using grant, Adam and Joe grant, Stephen Adams and Paul George because but Westbrook's miss time. I think that's probably that's the group that I'm talking about over the season. That's under. I have a one. Oh, four three defensive rating that's ninety four th percentile. That's really good. Yeah. And grits ability to switch. I don't know that he can really play a small bowl Senator Kennedy do that last year in those those pre difficult for them on their second years. But certainly, I think is mobility helps lot. I think it's assault player in a solid starter. Just the offense of limitations have be a little bit lower. You know, I like guys who are just a little bit more to it than that. I don't think he's a difference maker defensively the way someone like Millsap Tucker or young would be. Here's another question. How do you deal with and John Collins was one these like really offense guys Julius Randle Randall for his own offense. Excellencies in near sixty percent true shooting twenty-seven usage, even actually taking a few threes here. And they're hitting thirty three percent of those though it takes them so long to get to get it off that he's not really doesn't really count as a floorspace. He's usually looking to drive I on those plays. I'm not gonna give too much credit there up, but he has it will at least shoot it. When left completely wide open now, but as defense has been atrocious. Who's been a big part of the problem there and he can't play center defensively. So as a limited shooter you have to play him next to another traditional center. He's lucky enough to be able to play next to a AD a lot of the time. But if you're playing next to a Senator doesn't have any range, which you're going to be at a lot of teams that makes things difficult. We saw with the Lakers. He really kinda head to play as a small ball center do some switching he can't really be a traditional type help defender. So what do you do with that? What I mean to me like his scoring is useful. But he's also in a lotta ways in that really a starter. The Israeli more of a six-man man type guy to me who on on a good team would finish game some nights and wouldn't other nights that's about where I ended up with him might win a my misgivings as I actually have a tear between not I'm not I I have John Collins in tears six and I have Randall in tier eight, and that's probably unfair. I'm just so pissed. Op simply mentioning tear aid is like well. I just I'm so angry with Randall at this point, the, you know, it's kind of like the like, maybe maybe John college is going to figure it out where I'm completely convinced. Julius Randle won't and that's not fair. I mean, the difference between those guys offensively is not as significant as that would be in. Both of them defense is a weakness. But I guess the idea has more potential a helped. Absolutely. He does the end cordial -bility does matter, you know, like if you if there's a possibility that you could make it work and something else like that Rando was part of a good defense as recently as last year, though, he was, but you it needs to be something very very specific. Like, I mean, they. I don't know because New Orleans. I mean, he's out the only problem, and certainly you kinda trying to get his in terms of scoring and like just you know, the whole culture there has not been good defensively. All all your. I'm not willing to totally off here. I I'm not wanting to fully write him up, but my expectations under my expectation is that it's just too hard to build a team where he where he's a starter in there, actually like good overall. Because again, it's the idea of the added value him offensively. I think that most teams he he helps them, but as a starter, I think he's taking more off than he's putting on. And he is so hard to scheme run like there. There are guys who are who are smaller or larger negatives than he is. But at least you can put them in and they're not they're not screwing up. Whereas you don't have to put specific guys around them a player with his usage who also we don't really trust their jump shot. I it it's a lot to get to a level where you're where you're willing to tolerate and that's also why Jewish rental is one of the single most interesting free. This year for me, not only in terms of how much money gets. But what teams are interested because there there's a group. I mean, I think he could help almost everybody in if you gave him a specific enough role. But the idea of like, okay, who is he really elevate something I'm genuinely unsure of Lauri Markkanen a another interesting one I still had him in high teens low twenty s area is overall efficiency on the season is right about league. Average does space the floor quite a bit. He brings some defensive concerns as well. Lineups with him at center of defended very poorly. So he doesn't really have that level of versatility. He can switch a little bit. But not amazing at that. Either. I don't think he's great guarding the guys in the post when that becomes necessary. He's not atrocious defensively in tries, but I think of him as a below average defender the shooting his two point scoring has been a disappointment this year, but that shooting could just be so nasty, and he has had moments where. He's looked really really good. So I'm not I don't know where to put him as a player right now. Yo especially with this bull's team being so screwed up with all the injuries and the point guard play being so lacking and marketing himself missing time at the start of the year and a rotating cast around him throughout his bulls career. So I don't know what to make him yet given his shooting ability to be a little bit higher on him. But I just I need to see a little bit more with the shooting or a little bit more defensively to where you can either say, all right? This guy's got some two way ability or he's really a difference maker on offense. And he's out there. This is only a twenty one season. He this isn't talking about him necessarily as a prospect. But just how good he is right now moxie Cleopa, I assume since we both have really liked that guy that you're pretty high on. I think he provides rim protection solid. Switch man gets out in transition shooting about league average from three when needed. He's another guy who isn't amazing in anyone area. But just is solid at just about everything. That you need them to do. And so that's why I like him as a starter level of performer going forward, even though any he's older than you think twenty seven. But even though he's not been someone who has seized a starting role yet and his crew I ended up with a pretty big group here. It's an I did put a description. It was fringe charters who probably do start due to need because this is nineteen to thirty. So you think that there are thirty starting spots. Now, some centers some guys that we have listed as centers started the four some, you know, all those sorts of things apply. And so some of these guys do have starting roles some of them do not, but I'll just run through the whole list. And then we can talk about some of them Markkanen. I mean, he could easily move up into a higher tier? He just hasn't gotten all the way there yet, especially I mean, I'm concerned that last year, you know, we're all sitting there going, oh, man. He's under fifty percent from two and he's at forty nine percent, see her. So that's something that I think could be could be better for Markkanen moving forward. And I think he will move up from here. He just hasn't yet. So Markkanen Marvin Williams Marcus Morris coups MMA, Jaren Jackson. In junior Jae Crowder who spot in this tier is getting a little bit tenuous. I've I'm falling out with them in small Ford's. Oh, we might have. I just I I hadn't seen him a male show. I'm mentioning his situation that you have Kuzina. This I I'm I'm Laura of the new but a winter about okay? And this and again, these are not in any sort of an order. I just went once I once I put the box together. Then I just started throwing in the box Dario Szarek dovish protons. We haven't talked about it. All yet. I mean Demari Carol Nonni be Lisa Mexico liba and call it electric, but he's also been wonderful defensively this year Jonathan Isaac. Thank Marvin Bagley enduring Jackson junior really interesting one. So right now, both guys who we might see as being centers down the road. But Begley has played ninety two percent of his minutes center. This year Jackson is played seventy four. I'm sorry. Beg to servants power for this year Jackson's played seventy four percent. We've also seen them. Both be way. More effective at power forward were at center. Specially Jackson the. Really got killed with him at center on the second unit, but Jackson retard is a defensive positive right now. I think he actually is being undersold offensively. Just because he hasn't been asked to shoot threes at all. But I think he could eventually have now he's not going to be this crafty of a player in the post, but I think he could have somewhat of a Kevin love type of impact where can really stretch the floor, and this is a venture not necessarily now, but could really stretch the floor and then get into the post against smaller players for some of those hook shots. So I think he could actually provide a lot more on offense. If you are being asked to spot up more, and we'll see whether he would what type of a percentage he would shoot on a large violent attempts. But certainly in the summer league type of setting we've seen him just absolutely bomb it and how much that would go. In is interesting question Bertans has started a few games with the Spurs, but largely has come off the bench, but his shooting has just been really really good. And that does make a huge difference an end defensively kinda put him in a similar. Category marketing as a bigger guy who's maybe a little more athletic than you think. But ultimately doesn't make a huge positive difference on that end, but certainly guy to watch going forward. Carolina didn't look at. I I had him in the the small Ford categories will Daro Sharon someone who's star really seems to fall in a little bit after getting rookie of the year buzz in that very limited rookie of the year crop in sixteen seventeen. But now that he's gone to wear NBA players go to be forgotten it in Minnesota. He hasn't even been starting for them still shooting it okay at thirty six percent. But the hope that he could become more. He's still a deft interior passer. But not someone who's really going to attack very much get into the post every once in a while. And then defensively there's a pretty limited player there, so Kuzina. You mentioned though, I think I have a below bit lower than some of these guys we're talking about just because he's not a defensive positive tried a little harder this year. But overall, not a defensive positive unlikely to become so with his limited. Tools, and then he's heads a big scoring games. But just not shooting it well enough from three if he's in the high thirties and three I probably would feel a little bit differently by Michigan thirty percent from three and up pretty high vitamin so is the ball's not gonna go in for him. Then you're the that really from downtown. He's really bore of kind of bench scoring forward than he is a star level a player to me. I think I give Kuzina more credence than a lot of the other offense. I offense only guys because I like his overall offense of came so much, you know, not necessarily the shots. He takes. But you know, that he can do more with the ball in his hands. I very skilled. Yeah. And and I kind of feel like okay if you give him different rules different surrounding teammates. Maybe those things can come can come to the spotlight in China little bit more and defensively. Yeah. He's he's not great. But I I don't know. I'm I guess I'm just willing to tolerate his misgivings more. I want to spend a little bit of time talking about Davos batons be for one specific reason. And that's that. Well, I think Markkanen. Can show a more varied game? What batons is doing this year? And yeah, I mean, I wouldn't expect him to shoot forty four percent from three on ten per hundred possessions for the rest of his career. But in in many ways Bertans isn't kind of an actualized version of the low usage part of marketing, and that's what marketing and special is because I think he can do more than batons has been asked to do. But that we're tons is fourteen percent usage. Right. And Morgan is twenty five percent, right. And so, but but for tons being that, hyper efficient guy who have to defend out there. And I think he it's always hard to give credit for Spurs guys defensively, and like, you know, because they have their system has succeeded in even though they're not, you know, I think though, I twenty I and defense this year they've been pretty good when protons has been on the floor and their defensive fives are not nearly as strong this year as they have been at other points. Also doesn't rebound. Yeah. I don't love. I don't love that either. But offensively guy that you have to just keep track of that's something that I do really value and he gets up a lot of shots, and he doesn't take bad shots, which I sucker for that too. Like, I so much more tolerant of that than like, Marcus Morris is stuff. Sometimes even though obviously Morris's is a better defender, and all these other type of things so it is that's why I like having guys like that same tier is because on depending on the circumstance, you would definitely prefer one or the other. Yeah charge. I've been very pleased that Saunders has really turned to him as the starting four cents. I think that was like mid February. And he's been he's been fine. I was hoping charge would show little bit more in that role. But I still think he's going to be there starting for next year unless they happen to use the middle of exception on that for some reason, and we'll we'll get to see a little bit more from him next year. But yeah, I and there are a lot of guys in this tier? And so I actually have you. Brought it Marvin Bagley. I have factly. You know, first of all I think of them as a five rather than a four eventually, though, that's not you know, his role right now is a little bit fungible in that. Because he's playing lot with Giles, but Bagley you know, his offense of gifts. I think I under sold it. You know, what he can what he can bring to the table there? And you know. His second jump is wonderful. He can he can have these nice defensive plays where he's in position. And can just can just do something from there. Now, he has to move his way into position if he has to read the play I'm still not all the way there yet. But he's absolutely somebody. I have him in the definite rotation players like you should give him minutes. But I don't think he should start yet. But he could move up easily and pretty quickly. Even if I prefer him at at the five than the four who because he said, some big games lately were getting a little bit ahead of ourselves with him were certainly the scoring and rebounding has been saw is not as efficient as you'd like for the type of player that he is only three points above average in terms of his true shooting. But twenty four usage, it is very solid at the three point shooting in theory. It only thirty one percent, you know, that makes them difficult fit offensively at the four. Oh, that's part of why we see a as a five because I don't know if that real bomber from three is ever going to emerge for him. And then of course, there massive defensive limitation. So I'm not sure that he is. As a positive player at this point in time. He's score efficient efficiently, though, not devastatingly. So and rebound, but he doesn't do anything else. Other than that at this point in time. So I'm not a as far as exactly what he is. Right now, I'm not quite as high. And maybe as some are once you're hurting Gomez someone who perpetually are higher on than everyone else. Started off playing extremely well this year the mostly at the three shot at very well suffered some kind of a core muscle injury. It seemed like it has been out of the rotation with the return of some of their guys made kept them afloat for while the three point shooting dropped off a little bit. You know, that's really the big variable for him. He's head Beaumont's where he's looked like a solid high thirty three point shooter good volume. I like his size and versatility. I think he does have some switch abilities good on the boards. So he's someone that still I would be targeting for a larger role somewhere and someone who maybe could emerge into being one of those guys who's not gonna be sewn who's not going to have a ton of weaknesses in doesn't. Take things off the table for his teammates. So I'm higher on him than a lot of these guys use been buried now again in Denver, dry Parker. I guess we discuss him briefly before we get into our like risers and volunteers were we're getting into the weeds at this point Jabari Parker. I mean, he certainly put up some numbers as a member of the wizards. There is a place for guys with his extreme strengths. But is that place the starting lineup? No. I mean, it isn't. And there there lots of different ways that a second unit can work authencity. So if you need a jolt at that position would say your other spots are spoken for maybe it's a young developmental point guard or something like that you can do it. But for me another group that is always hard our players who can play rotation minutes. But that you wouldn't want them to do more than that. Like if you're if you're starting power forward gets hurt. You don't wanna put your very Parker in that role. And there's a lot less utility there than for somebody like, I don't know you can think of a bunch of different examples here, but like like. Maybe even like Amazon Ilyasova like okay, you put air Sunday yourself on your I don't I don't like him as a starter. But if you put him as a starter, it's not gonna like totally change who you are. In all likelihood other than having a guy tried to drop million charges, and which very Parker if you have him in your starting lineup. He is a focal point of of what you do and more importantly what your opponent does. And those those types of guys I just have a lot of trouble with if you can't if you can't increase it. It's the same thing like with a backup point guard that that isn't a good starter. You know, they're they're just not as useful. Yeah. There's certainly the plug employability between divide Parker, you know, someone like Germany grant or Jamaica green, or even you know, Taj Gibson where you can come in and get good professional play. That's not gonna kill you where survivor might give you some scoring. But he is also gonna lead to things falling apart defensively. Okay. So biggest risers this year, PASCAL dot com. Oh, yeah. Hopefully off the radar last year of now he's in my is my number eight overall guy Blake. Griffin going from three or six to three to me. That's actually like a pretty big jump in my mind. Let's see who else really bumped up. John Collins, a take a major stuff for this year to be sure to buy Harrison Gallo each went up a for me, that's important mirror. Teach went up one. And I mean part of what he did well in the playoffs last year, and he's succeeded in a couple of different circumstances. Now, I try I'm trying to remember where I had that. Oh, there we go teddy showings in about the same place. I think I like him more than I did last year, but it didn't necessarily produce produce any real fruit yet, Jeremy grant is another big razor for me PJ Tucker for me. Yeah. Yeah. Both those guys went up. I believe at least one tier of fallers while I head Carmelo Anthony at number ten. Last year. Whoops. I I mean, I think it was just at that point in time teams head really started trying to exploited him. And I think we did this a couple of months earlier last year. We did it. We did right for new years. Yes. So you wasn't clear. How bad he was going to be off or defensively. There's a feeling that his shooting would would cover on me. It's still coming off a season where he's averaging well over twenty points in league average deficiency with with the Nixon. I think we've still even just our own understanding of how valuable really is scoring when you're not setting up your teammates. I think we I've always tried to be a head of the curve on devalue in guys like that. But the it's been a another step there. And just seeing seeing how Carmelo just we thought maybe he could scale going. Okay, see some with playing with better players, and he just couldn't do it at all, you know, obviously failed again in that role with the rockets this year. So he's out of the league in may. Be for the foreseeable future. So you know, this could be for him. So to go from number ten, which obviously I mean that was clearly wrong. He wasn't than a pretend power forward that was more just trying to give respect what he'd done from the Knicks and expecting him to bounce back which clearly never happened. I had mellow seventeenth. So I feel better about that. But in that same tier I had a couple of guys that we can talk about for followers. Ryan anderson. Oh, yeah. He's like basically out of the league those point Jabbar Tucker who's quite understand. Why that is? I mean, maybe he just had that ankle injury is just not the same. But he couldn't even so I will say this there. I think there's a chance that Ryan Anderson ends up being one of the better contract side next summer because I presume he's going to get cut. So that the the my the Miami Heat or whoever they trade him because he's going to be able to get waived and stretched he'll get waived and stretched or just wave depending on where Miami's luxury tax stuff is. And that he'll sign somewhere for the minimum and end up helping them like that. When surprised me in the least. And I mean, he basically was good last year for Houston. Got her. Hurt struggled in the playoffs. Played like seven games with the Suns. It got taken out of the rotation. And that's always seeing this, right? And the so that's a little that's bizarre. And another guy who we haven't talked about even though you and I both liked him for a while. I mean, it's been such a lost year as James Johnson. I just don't know exactly where where he's going. You know, Ben can kind of been bouncing around when when guys who rely on who rely on physical strength and intensity get a little bit older. And they lose a little bit of a step whether it's due to injury age both, and it might be both in his case, then it gets harder. And so I I just don't know he might he might premier wrong. If he has a a good close to the season. Maybe he can do some stuff in the playoffs or strong start next season. I could see him back or similar to wear Adam before earn Gordon ahead of rate last year. But remember he'd been shooting really well startle of last year. And we thought maybe some of that would be real as it's turned out almost none of it has been he has been passing it better this year, but you just have him in the sort of mass solid starter category. At this point in time. Maybe on a. Team with better point guard play things might be a little bit different. For surge. Baca is going to be a Senator used blamed power for at this time last year. So he's out a marquee Morris was cut in the solid starter category for me, and he got straight up wave to this year. So and he struggled with some injuries to be sure. But really, you know, I mean at east kind of middling backup level of production. I think that's where he's at it at this point in time. And he's a guy de is quite developed the level. We thought he would with the jump shot and then his head some serious declines and athleticism even the last two years. When you remember we thought the wizards would be sunk because he got injured in the first game that Celtics series, and he came back was able to contribute and help them force it to a game seven. But now he's like there's a question of whether he should even be playing o'casey right now three in D players. You know, the idea of like when they take a step back, or if the shot just stops falling getting there, something I noticed going through my rankings last year was that group of power forward to probably are. Not starters like that the value of those guys confess late. So some guys were I had a tear like five point five. And so it was you know, kind of like fringy starter type of things, but I'm gonna mention some of those guys who we haven't even discussed at all in this podcast Jamaica, green, Trey Lyles I meant to okay tree Lyles in impasse. Rhonda, Halas Jefferson. You have Ron day. I mean, he's a year older and is like out of the rotation right now. I mean, he he played prominently in that comeback win in Sacramento, but those guys with last ditch insertion as a small bowl center. Right. And so I think with those guys you you run into the issue of just how are they looking at the given moment. And I think for me, the bigger takeaway is unless you have a real clear positive that isn't fading probably not a good idea to give those guys serious money, especially not for multiple seasons. Unfortunately for those guys their free agency here. What about Kyle Anderson? What do you what do you make him? I mean, I have him kind of in the, you know, solid backup type of category. He's just too bad of the three point shooter. Which is. A shame because he does most other things. Well, but there's just, but he's not I shouldn't say most other things. Well, because he's not overall great scores too low of usage guy, and, you know, not so outstanding defensively in like one on one match ups that I'm just like eager to give him those matchups and just a massive up until I believe overall. I haven't been that tier of guys that are I think deserve rotation minutes when they're healthy. But they're not me you wouldn't want them starting on your team. And because they're not in that top thirty or whatever you probably won't have to. And he was I was shocked at how much of a positive. He was for San Antonio last year and this year, I mean, one of the big things that sidetracked his injuries, but Anderson, you know, his defense has always been a little bit. He's gotten a lot. There have been times when it seems like he's gotten a lot of credit like from the from the black box metrics, and I've never been completely. Sure. Like, oh, he's a he he's been like that huge positive. But then remember last year San Antonio, Spurs team, really defended, and they basically didn't have. So I understand why some of that credit went to Anderson, and they had Gionta and all these, and they didn't have to Marta rose and all these other things so yeah, I mean and also something that's worth noting that group so I have like from thirty one forty three I'm not gonna rattle off all of them. But the resources required to bring those guys in for some of them is really not that much. I mean, Anthony tolliver got the BI annual this year. He's in that group for me OJ's, basically out of the rotation in Boston though, I still really like him as a player, and so sometimes players get into this group and get a lot of money. Like Jim Johnson, is example, there have TJ were in here as well. Those type of guys and sometimes you do that. Because you think they'll get better that they'll move up a couple of years in the future Baggies, and obvious example there and sometimes those are those are just guys that ended up getting overpaid Anderson's. Probably good example there. I think it's all I've got here. Let's pack. It anything you wanna talk about forego will we should mention the NBA cast that we are. We're going to be back on Tuesday with. With spokes rockets, right? Oh, yeah. It's can be awesome. Those those really fun game the first timer at that crazy strategy. 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OKC/POR; SAS/DEN; BRK/PHI; ORL/TOR Game 5s

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OKC/POR; SAS/DEN; BRK/PHI; ORL/TOR Game 5s

"It's gonna take it from way out. That wasn't believable series. That's even twenty fourteen o two series. What a shot. On we've Abol he said, he was setting it up the whole time. That's one of the greatest shot that. Fifty points for the game. I mean unbelievable. I mean, you he bought a Finnish? He played the entire first half. He looked flat for most of the most of the second half. And then comes back with the finish to give them the tie. And then the three pointer to win the damn sear and they were down fifteen with like seven minutes left down eight with three minutes left and just incredible comeback incredible series. What a shop man, I can't wait to see the replay of this. Here. We go. A step back to his right? That's forty feet that. Back to its right to win the fucking series. Always a privilege when you get to see one of the grid shots NBA history. And that one by Daimler has to be right up there. Thirty seven foot step back three pointer to his right against a guy who's a defensive player of the year candidate this year in Paul George wins the series waves goodbye to the okay, see thunder and Dame Woollard. I wonder he's probably I would guess the only player in NBA history with two series clinching on Jordan had at least two that. I can think of but like straight up buzzer-beaters are those bed when I'm gonna start. Sorry. Always a privileged to see one of the greatest shots in NBA history. Live Dave Lillard thirty seven foot step back three pointer to his right in his forty fifth minute of the game completing fifteen point comeback in the fourth quarter for the blazers. They win the series four to one he waves goodbye to the thunder bench. His fiftieth point of. The game. Just one of the best performances. We've seen in a long time. It was absolutely indelible. I mean this and this was an absolutely fascinating captivating important game long before the final shot even long before the final push that that swung it back. I mean, Damian Lillard shot gave him fifty points. He had thirty four of those fifty in the first half when he played all twenty four minutes orderly because CJ McCollum dealt with owl trouble and the swings in this second half. And I'm sure there will be people who focus on narratives new focus on takes who will have plenty of that. But the substance of this game and the swings of this game were absolutely incredible. Okay. See had other usual kind of five point lead. Paul George gets his third foul gets taken out of the game. And like in game four when George was on the bench at the end of the second quarter in foul. Trouble Portland goes on a late run. Takes the lead about three mm. Minutes left in the third. They're up nine eighty four seventy five you feel like the gave it is over, you know. Okay. See is on the road. One thing. You can't say about okay, see is. They do not quit in these limitations wherever they're at home last year down twenty five in the third and their athleticism and play making when they really get into desperation mode. Could be pretty incredible. And they started hitting shots shooter. Westbrook hit some three pointers finally. And they went on a thirty two six run. It was eighty four seventy five and all of a sudden, okay? See let it one. Oh, five to ninety in that third quarter. The blazers went nine of twenty seven from the field. They fortunately for them. Didn't turn the ball over much. But even despite that nine at twenty seven and okay, see hitting shots. It only ended up beginning a thirty to twenty seven margin. But then okay, see really pouring it on in the fourth quarter is what establish that March having to lead one of two ninety seven forty five remaining after a tennis shooter three pointer, and they actually got it back again to one of. Seven ninety two with seven twelve for many. I and realize that until I'm going back looking through the play by play here. And so from that point on the thunder score six points. Blazers score twenty one to tie it at a book thirteen and we'll get into the very end of the game. Obviously as well. What stuck out to you about that? Okay. See thirty to six run. And then the Portland run that responded to that. Okay. Sees run keenum key things them hitting shots. I mean, even in the early portion of the game, Oklahoma City drilling their mid Rangers was an important part of the story. They were getting they were getting him from a lot of different guys, Paul, George notably. Among them Schreuder was was hitting his shots early in than he hits a couple of big three's during that run as well. And also that was when Portland looked flat. Now part of it was Lillard looking tired part of it was the time. The Lillard was not on the floor. If memory serves, and they just didn't have it offensively, and then also Portland, and this was a story the. Series in a series, the one in five games, they put out some really low probability success lineups. And I thought that that was a part of what really drove Oklahoma City Okla. They maximize the opportunity was presented. But also, I mean, you talked about that that I mean stretch and thirty six part of it for me was very little in that in that stretch of Alfred amino in mohawk lose two of the better defenders. And also that was when his cantor he was doing with physical issues a lot of this game and so- Portland relying heavily on Evan Turner. And guys that were tired and guys that weren't as good as their best players. That was really the group that seated the league and one of the things I really noticed was a lack of spacing for that. Penetration. Dame went out for the first three minutes of the fourth. And that was when they built a lot of that lead as well. I didn't think the defense was that terribly. A lot of it was rust hit three three pointers in that stretch shooter. Not a great three point shooter. Hit a couple in their George was unbelievable. Overall in this game with thirty six points on fourteen twenty and a played the whole second half. I believe as well ended on forty two minutes. Jeremy grant played forty four minutes, and he shot it well from downtown he had the miserable. I two gains Portland and then hit the three ball while he finished with sixteen points. Also, it's a little bit more. It's a little bit more extreme Paul, George, Jeremy grant, and Russell Westbrook. All played the entire second half. While that's pretty insane. Yeah. I mean marquee Morris. Four minutes remain, Felton, three minutes. Nearly Joel eight minutes. I mean that was yet. Grant played a lot at small ball center. Go we'll talk Subba to about where the thunder go from here. Obviously, they deserve a post mortem on this one. But really when Portland served to come back a lot of it was CJ McCollum who had had a nightmare game up until then starting to just make those tough mid range is that he made it throughout the series. They had suffered career on the floor. Basically. I think the whole time there in the fourth quarter as they're making that come back. I thought that Stotts should've gone back to. To a new and then eventually when they're down eight they're still down eight with about three minutes left one thirteen one. Oh, five and Stotts took out cancer. Maybe some of the physical issues or just because they funder a gun small and day was talked about that small lineup to the game. And said, hey, you know, made the reads easier, we're spreading the floor a lot more. When guys would help you knew you could just throw someone at three point line. So they went with me new at center heartless, and then the three guards curry Lillard 'em McCollum matched up against that lineup with grants at center and shooter Stephen Adams, only played twenty nine minutes in this one and again was relatively ineffective. So the decided to go for more of a small look and more switch to get actually worked pretty well against what the blazers were doing through most the game. But they just eventually were able to just beat their guys one on one just enough. Yeah. I mean, we we've Leonard and there have been moments in time to be sure that Portland's guards just the shot making quite enough. I mean the series they lost to the warriors. A couple times in a row, and you know, just they've had a rough go on that. It was a different issue last year against New Orleans. And this time, you know, some going back and rewatching the final three and a half minutes of the game something that really stood out to me beyond. The fact that Portland had significantly more scoreless possessions than I had remembered was the difficulty of most of the shots they made and the were few exceptions. And we'll we'll talk about those to be sure, but I see j hitting a few just tough shots was really impressive. And it was just enough to get them. This incredible win. We do a few more notes here before we get into that less stretch. I do want to break that down because I think it's very instructive, especially from Casey's standpoint to some degree at also just this is an awesome game on record with with what happened here. And that's what we do Doug done. I thought that okay. See had a lot of success early part. Why George went fourteen twenty was for the first time really in the series? They had him in Russ run a lot pick and rolls and try to get Paul George the ball in an ice. Oh against the shorter defender like C J and just he'll just shoot right over the top guys a lot of times, they deem it make him put it on the floor, which it I was of course, apoplectic about during the game. But cozy he if just catches the ball, and he can just shoot shoot over you without even having to dribble or move. I mean, that's just a layup for him, basically. But they got a lot of those really good looks early on. So I thought deserve a lot of credit for that. They still to me didn't go enough to that late. And that kind of reminded you of some of the stuff they're doing back in two thousand sixteen against the clippers. Right, right. So that could series which Orage I should say the clippers were covers for doing it to the place or so in that series. The clippers went out to what seemed at the time to be a pretty authoritative lead in the series largely in the early portion by these small small pick and rolls one of the early times that both of us, but especially me harped on low resistance. Witches especially true with that clipper steam because you knew that oftentimes Chris Paul was just going to pan the the ball either way wasn't at that point his career, especially wasn't really going to take a lot of those threes. And was that series in Boston Cleveland, I think I think I might have been the same season might have been the year later, and this was largely the same idea. You know, do it initial even if it's perfunctory just a little basic thing, you can get the matchup you want and get Paul George to attack that and what blew our minds, you talked about you talked about Paul George and going to more often was that Portland. Arguably was doing the same thing. But they were doing it at moments to get what what I feel and what was his superior defender on Damian Willard. Yeah. And finally, they went away from that in that keeps us at the very end. But anytime Lillard McCollum just attack shrewd or what one they're just getting great shots every single time. And why they wanted to. I mean, those guys can still create against anybody just about but why they wanted to get Lillard switched with grant. Who who is the most often guy most often the guy that they did that with overshoot? I'd no idea and we talked about that game four to the thunder also had success involving Steph or South Korea should say in the pick and roll in having Westbrook. Go at him with where voice, Brooke wasn't gonna shoot it. He could just physically overpower him and get into the lane in the blazers. You not an unbelievable rim protecting even and the thunder were really assaulting the rim at times in this one especially at twenty points in the paint in the first quarter. And then it kind of dropped off a little bit after that the thunder also just ended up shooting very well from three twelve hundred twenty seven and the foul line was a bug Abhu for both teams as well. Yeah. I I want to briefly go through the shot charts for both ya. Russell Westbrook and Paul George so let's start with BG five shots at the rim. Who was made four of those and got to the free throw line? Eight times though, not those were on drive. Some of those were on shooting fouls or reaches things like that. And so he was so four or five there. Three three. In Florida range, four four for mid range and then three of eight from long distance. Then Russell Westbrook. Thirteen shots at the rim. Only five of thirteen got to the free throw line for total of three free throws in this game. Then using then two of seven for mid range and four of eleven from three I believe three of those four makes from three were in that big thirty to six run and shooter hit two threes in that point. And so like, so Russell Westbrook had a very good stretch. But had a rough really rough game outside of that mean hit for the first half Westbrook. And remember Oklahoma City was had a huge offence in that first half despite Westbrook as shooter. I mean, he had six assists. Had a lot of really nice feeds including Stephen Adams. But five fifteen from the field one of five from three and throughout the game. But especially during that second quarter is where I remember it in a little bit in the third Portland was just conceding. Russell Westbrook jump shot. Yeah. And he did hit a few but Portland, obviously was right to continue to do that. In Westford, finishes twenty. Nine points on thirty two shooting possessions at another rough offense of game when in a game when the other guys really had at working, and the fact that that he how it's possible to only get three free throw attempts. When you take thirteen shots at the rim and thirty one shots overall. Now, he would tell you that he got fouled out a lot of those. I did see many of them to be on us so much more to get to here. Let's talk about the the end of the game. But I wanna tell you about it. Which believes that everyone deserves access to lifelong interest free credit was you've the part of by what you need in pay overtime interest free. There's no cost to join you have membership fees. You don't have late fees. It's not determined by your credit score and your seven account. 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Generally, if you could make a guy take contested bid ranger, and you have that kind of a leader in, you know, that's like a eight point lead with three minutes left. That's a high nineties win expectancy there. So all he really needed to score once or maybe twice down the end, you'd think in they could have salted away. They tried to get these Seth curry switch under us. Am just went under the screen and curry just never switched onto him. And. West wasn't going didn't find a way really to attack that. And I thought okay, see generally didn't play that way. They would have the big band set the screen, usually I also thought it was interesting that down the end game four and most game five. Hey, just what okay see went to when they were desperate in that Utah series last year tons of switching tons of defensive versatility. And it makes you think, hey, maybe they should have like tried playing that way just a little bit during the regular season. If you find that we end up having to play this type of defense when we're desperate. And now we don't really have the experience playing at an end same thing with the offense rhyme in this was really the way that they played offense. And yet they ended up having to go to this. And so maybe a little more forethought to be like we should practice playing this way, we might need to have more versatility to ourselves. Didn't see that really from the regular season the games, I watched at least there's another point there, which is also if you think that's where you might end up using the limited resources as a team that is well under the repeat attack. Wchs on players that make sense in that closing five. You know, like shooter doesn't really work in that. He's I mean, I thought Portland didn't pick that soar nearly enough, and you know, other than he I mean he hit a ton of shots in this game. But if that's your mentality is, okay. You're relying a lot on Paul George. Russell westbrook. Both incredible talents. There your primary creators then you want guys that are versatile defensively that can handle different assignments. Even if they're not amazing at all of them in guys that opponents after respect from three. Well, I mean, that's not exactly who I mean, Germany grant, I think has really stepped up and been better than I expected but other than him and maybe to a lesser extent. Terrence Ferguson one shot in thirty one minutes somehow for terms forgotten that that show was a trill three. I mean, that's just. Yeah. He's shannon. Okay. But like Scuds started playing thirty one minutes for you. And he only takes one shot like either number one. He's out that good or number two. You're not doing enough to get this guy involved. And your offense is not a gal Terry enough. I mean, this guy is his used to drape. Ms like negative five percent for the series. It's unbelievable. May I last game? He was like one out of six or something that was like a career high in shot attempts for non garbage time play. So they get the switch again of grant on a Daimler at the other end after the got the stop on Russ and grant just packages lay up into the ground blocks from behind. Okay. See great job. Getting the loose ball rebound. They're still up six with two thirty left and this. I thought was a huge play at the time. I said I thought like this. I was like this plays gonna decide the game George is trying to get the ball the elbow. They throw it to he flops, but he got kinda shoved a little bit by me at least had the hand on back. And as he catches the Bali falls down. Amd Courtney Kirkwood on the near side had a travel starts running the other way and James Capers calls the foul instead of George there in the bonus. And like, that's it. The game's over there gonna be up eight with two minutes left Jordan's gonna hippo great further shooter. And they're gonna be done any missed the first one. All right. Well, they'll still be. Seven that still three possessions. Don't miss that one too. So that was huge that he missed two free throws. And it didn't take much time off the clock either. Which that was another theme here. How many chances Portland actually ended up getting to some errors? Bye bye. Okay. See before that, Paul George foul. I wanna mention something else happened. So okay. See recovers the loose ball. Paul George triples into the front court largely stops. Okay. See tries what I would describe as loose trap. Like, they just kinda had a lot of guys around Paul George or Edward landed. Yeah. Portland and Paul George kind of moved his arms a little bit Lillard flopped to try to get Paul George his sixth foul, and then that's how in George. He passed the ball out to to Jeremy grant, I believe and then it ended up circling circling back to him. But I mean that it of itself sometimes flopping it created or student didn't really seem like they were going to call that foul though, there were some some interesting calls in this game to be shirt. So then CJ comes back guarded by Russ after miss free throw. And he just pulls up got a pretty good look. But didn't it didn't even hit the rim. But at the very. Release though, part of the reason that you take those shots. I mean number one, it's a it's a high upside play and you're down by a lot. But also it didn't take any time off the clock. So that ended up really mattering a a lot as well. And then rushed drive's debut draws. I mean, one of the more obvious charges you ever gonna see he came off the strong side corner. Ferguson is wide open the corner Westbrook missed him and just jumped his is you couldn't into three guys that ended up getting a charge that shot by Westbrook. Actually as he threw it up almost jumping over Lillard on that charge. Like some actually went in which would have been an an what if they call it a block? But there's no way I mean, even even I who those the charge. I mean that was just a terrible decision. Obvious char it absolutely was. And then support Linda's down there still down six at this point. There's down one thirteen one or seven so from when we picked it up to this juncture Portland is only scored two points and Lillard tries to draw shooting kinda goes up for it. You know, I would call it like, Chris Paul style. But while he's in the air pass. Is it to CJ CJ drives a little bit to his left and hits a banked floater over Paul George that cuts the margin from six to four while. And here's the other thing that struck me about that play Lillard gets in the air Paul Georgia's one pathway, he's guarding CJ McCollum their second best gore. He had his hands on his knees. The entire possession Daimler just like five feet away from him. He still has his hands on his knees. And then the past goes to CJ will. Yeah. Guess what you're probably not going to close out on him. If you're starting from your hands on your knees and your knees dead straight and not in a stance. In granted the guy played the entire second having played forty five minutes, but I need to tell me, you're so tired. You. Couldn't just stand there in a stance and like move and Russ does this all the time. Like, he's always has his hands on his knees on defense. And it's just the failure to hold him accountable within the organization, I don't even wanna get into the whole berry travel thing and his overall surliness with the media. But that is I think an indication of just there's nobody in this organization that. Can actually like get him to chain. Maybe there's external pressure that can do it. You know, who knows what motivations he response to? But like this is something that high school coach like wouldn't be tolerating to just have your hands on your knees on defense. And he probably does that. All right. It's one thing if it's like, okay. They're just bring the ball up. Here's the guy quick Russ. I get your tire. But like the guys right next to you. He probably could've stole that pass number one abuse ready. Instead, he just you know, because the reason your problem is when you're not in a stance. Your first move is to get into a stance before you can even move. And so you're slower then he tries to make up for it. And he did have some very nice clothes out sit in this game too short. But he tries to make up for it by spreading out there out full speed. And then it just flown by because he just wasn't ready to play with a minute forty four left in elimination game. And it's not I don't know that it's even laziness it's just a lack of fundamentals and a lack of accountability that no one can tell them. Hey, you like we're not gonna play defense where you got to be better than that. And yeah, you're not gonna bench. Russell westbrook. But think of some of the other. Coaches like Brad Stevens, the improvements that he's gotten Kyrie Irving to make Dame Lillard how much better he's gotten defensively since he started or Steph curry and westward just as never done that despite the fact that he said in the media that I'm the best defender at my position, which is a joke. And he was I mean was a lifetime ago. He was a much better defender relative to tout level at UCLA. I mean, he could do he and he has the physical tools to be sure, but you have to combine those physical tools Andrew Wiggins is another missing example, this you have to combine those physical tools not only with effort, which is what everybody talks about Wiggins. But training to make sure that you start plays in the right position. So that you can make those moves because if you're a half if you're if you're a motion behind NBA Cal, Bradley, two specially guys as good as Damon CJ. It puts you too far behind as great vanass. Russell Westbrook is and accountability is a major part of that in Oklahoma City over the years. They've had collapses. They've had disappointments in a variety of different formats and many of those have been offense based. Then there are other ones where you know, a couple of better defensive possessions would made the difference too. We focus a lot on the turnovers and everything else like game six of the twenty sixteen conference finals all those things. But there these there these defensive foibles to and being a little bit better. They're as solid as Oklahoma City has been as a team overall. There is there is some untapped Montana. Potential both tactically and execution wise that would would push them up. So then they go back to the other end Russ rejects the screen and is able to get into the lane CJ germy grants. Manatee was heartless comes over contest the shot and Russ makes a nice pass to grant and McCollum who is on Westbrook all stumbled, but somehow got back into position to get his chest under grants and force misled. And then heartless grabs the rebound Westbrook had kinda fallen towards the baseline after the past. He goes up going for the offensive rebound and commits a devastating over the backer. I didn't think live that it was a foul. But then as I went back and. The replay. I thought it was pretty clear he just like goes through his body and knocked him down. And so now that's two free throws for Portland. Remember Portland scores on one of their first three possessions during this period. Now, two free throws for heartless who shot it very at one point. He was one of six from the line, but he made his last four and he makes these two, but those over the BRAC breakers will just kill you to put them on the fallen with no time coming off the clock when you're ahead. Then there was a tactical decision here. So Billy Donovan called a time out and they're up by two points, and so restricting their thinking about well who's gonna be in personnel wise for each of these two teams you have a situation where if okay see gets a bucket it puts them in command position. And so we thought you know, they're going to go more defense. I but surprising us Seth curry is on the floor. And Seth curry makes a huge play. Yeah. He caused Paul George to lose his dribble. Top did a great job of just picking his pocket. Basically pretty early in the possession. And we were both critical as we were watching it live of him taking the time out at the point. I do think that that figured to some degree later on. Yes. Curry gets the steel and any Neil, then he's out there with the allot more spacing than probably it would have been Evan Turner would have been the defensive replacement that they go to their and then CJ is just one on one against Paul George. It wasn't really a great play by any means. But he just crosses over breaks his ankles and hits the long two to tie the game. I mean, this is still fifty seven seconds left and were tied already. I mean, they make this eight point comeback in about two minutes despite having to scoreless possessions in that period. No time out at this point for Donovan that would have been his last one. But they get a really nice action with George in Westbrook. Just continuing to screen each other. They get George the ball right at the elbow shoots. It over CJ thought CJ again just didn't quite get up on. They're trying to avoid the switch. Ios tough play for him to get into the position needed to be. But you really gotta kinda chest to chest with him there. And just make him put it on the floor and go by and trust them help as opposed to just let him shoot over you. And that was obviously an easy shot. So. Yep. One out all that one way of thinking about that is it's it's an x and y axes problem. So what CJ was doing? He was focusing more on being with the man laterally. Whereas if you're with the man laterally, but you're not into a space going forward and backward. Then you're not really impacting the shot. So I thought that you know, and that's again what you're getting into in terms of trusting help as well you need to be up because otherwise the lateral movement. Doesn't matter as much because the guy's getting an open shop, which is what Paul George CJ wasn't effecting it very much. So Stott's now calls the time out thirty nine seconds off great time out here. You gotta make sure you get the two for one in that situation. And then finally, they just we talked about it on the NBA. We're gonna do we should mention something here, they inbounded. I thought part of the reason they were they were calling time out was to advance the ball because you know, you need to shoot quickly. But they inbounded from the backward. And there ended up being reason for that. Yeah. To just get Lillard going full speed. And I thought again that was going to be they're going gonna try and attack like branch is just go at shooter either just take the pull up over over judge, ROY. And that's what he blows by into his left, not very good individual defense by Schreuder as just as pretty much a straight blow by the promise shooter to is that he's relatively quick, I guess out the fundamentals are that good. And then he's so skinny that. Once you even get close to having a shoulder pass him. You're just gonna be able to turn the corner and George came over to help made a nice play force Lillard into a really difficult finish that something that Lewis has worked on a ton is his finishing around the room. Then here would have been a great time for Billy Donovan to use one of his two timeouts if he still had one of them. He did not. And so Russell the other thing that starts did. Which was really good. Was he's switched up the matchups after they scored on that Westbrook. George pick and roll the previous time any. Put a MU on Westbrook. Any ped- heartless still on George if they wanted to do that pick and roll and they switch it? They still would have had a lot of sizes but rust never even looks PG's way. They got plenty of time here. I mean, there's thirty two point left if they'd had the other time even could've considered advancing the ongoing for the two for one. But again, they had used the time out earlier to guess like settle them down or something and drop that great play that immediately resulted in South Korea steel, so again, the before you get into this. I was actually more bothered by the terp time out that Donovan took before that he took. He took their second last time out with three and a half minutes to go at and they were still Oklahoma City was still up eight at that point. And we were sitting there doing the NBA. Can we're out of time outs. They only I have it that they that. They may that donvan called his fifth timeout with three twenty eight left and called his six out. I'm using the NBA's officials of. Oh, yeah. Oh your cigarette. You right yet? No that one you call it because. Is your you losing usually I had I had the count wrong met of. But anyway, yes. So to me in the last two minutes, especially you have to save your time outs to accomplish something other than okay goes settled down. We're going to run a really good player this time. No like, you have to save it. So you can make substitution. So you can get two for ones you can advance the ball. If you're down like Dutt's with those those do whatever advantage. You're getting from giving a speech to your team and drawing up a play. The other guy gets the same thing. You don't really get too much of an advantage there. I mean, I think he was worried about where they were at emotionally because they had gotten within two. But it does that didn't really seem like the time for especially because heartless just made a couple of free throws, and they didn't make any subs after that you could made sub certain the free throws. So if they're making they're shooting free throws. That's plenty of time to call a play yell and make sure that everyone knows what you're running during that free throw. Anyway, Westbrook wild drive into. Anew wanted a foul. Call did not get it. They never look at Paul George. They never look at anyone else zero pass possession. Not an advantage matchup against me new. When you're jumper is not falling for the last two season. And he just wildly throws it up at actually some almost went him. But I mean that was terrible shot. I called it. A wild shot live portly three bound now. Westbrook. Then spend the next three seconds yelling at the referee. Luckily, Portland didn't really look to push it at all. But he was like way beyond the blame as it turned out. They went no time out and they wanted to run the time down Paul George did a great job of just deciding, hey, I'm gonna take Damian Lillard on this last play, you know, instead of having a B shooter or something he knew Lillard was going to try to take the last shot and initially Lillard like called for the screen for a second. And then he thought better wave the guy away again. And I was like I'm easy should call the screen. But I think he was just worried they're going to double team. And he just didn't want that 'em. What he said in the interview afterwards was I was thinking like, I'm. Just gonna straight up pull it from here. And then George I think kinda realized that he might be able to do that. And he is like a Dame's already closed the space outside like, all right? I gotta just dribble step back to my right? And I mean, I couldn't believe that. That's the shoddy took without even trying to drive and just these things I don't usually go in for. But this sense of theater in just making that be the shot add to then be able to wave goodbye to the thunder bench afterwards. I mean, like just a level of confidence that that takes an maybe that wasn't smart. Maybe should've tried to get look, but he was pretty open. I mean, if he's he said afterwards he practices that shot his leg strength is so good. And he's so on balance all the time that like it wasn't difficult for him to get the ball to the rim from there. You know? I mean, even off-balance going to step back. He's able to square up perfectly which was right to him that so much harder of a step back than going to your your opposite side to your left side as a right handed shooter. He was just I can't get over the shot. I've just still absolutely of what of ridiculous moment that was. And it's amazing that Lillard now has two of the absolute icon. Ick shots of this decade. I mean, a team that has not made an NBA finals team that has you know, they've won a few playoff series and Lord has had the winning shot at two of them. Don't like this kind of defining when he shot, but he he wants those shots. He takes them. And for me, not only because it reflects the way his game is changed the way Willard and Steph curry might be changing it by normalizing these kinds of shots. You know that that shooting from thirty shooting from thirty five thirty seven in this case that you can do that. If you ever legs under you in the confidence, it's it was incredible. And it was it was a special moment for him for the franchise. You think about how how rough it was almost a year ago to the day when they got swept out of the playoffs by the New Orleans pelicans. And now they have this definitive win not only in the game. But in this series, and we don't know exactly who they're going to face yet. But. They have a clearer path to the conference finals this year than they have in a what what did he shoot end up shooting on thirty foot or more three pointers in the series? So over the course of the five game series Lillard was five for five on shots listed thirty feet or beyond three of those five coming in game five and so the shots hitting the first half of me dudes on his back step Bax pulling up. I mean, this is this shooting performance has been unbelievably this this playoffs for him has been as good as some of the best that we've seen from Steph curry, and and he's got arguably more versatility to his jump shot than curried. Frankly. Now, he doesn't do all the off ball stuff that curry does that so difficult to defend, but I meant we've seen just some awesome playoff performs. He's he's clearly the MVP of the playoffs so far, but you know, some a lot of players haven't had tickly competitive series to throw that in. But I mean, there's when you just look at how in so many of these games. Like what else does Portland have sides him and maybe see Jimmy? It's just those the. Only two guys on the team were creating shot is pretty remarkable against a good defensive team as well. Obviously some soul-searching now for the thunder to be sure. And we'll actually before we get into that. I wanna mention so this was Lillard scoring performance was the fourth fifty point or more playoff game of this decade. The other three LeBron dropping fifty one on the warriors in last year's finals is area. Fifty three on the wizards in twenty seventeen. And then Russell Westbrook himself fifty one. Okay. See at Houston in the twenty seventeen playoffs. Then before that. It was all the way on like forty four shots or something forty-three. Yeah. That was on forty three and reality was the one before that in back when he was in Boston in two thousand nine so really I mean that is technically within the last ten years. But really it's it's the fourth time in in recent vintage year that rail that was game six in two thousand nine which is that triple overtime classic. God. Series that. And you know, what's interesting is of those last five, including Damian Lillard 's only two of the five have come in wins is as Celtics beat the wizards and then Lillard tonight, and we talked about the iconic playoff shots the decade. I mean, obviously, the Ray Allen shot has got to be up there. The kyri even though it came with over a minute remaining, the kyri three pointer to be Golden State provide the winning margin there. Even those in the regular season him in that curry shot against okay. See this this shout was more ridiculous that one by an order of magnitude. I would say I mean that like the fact that step back the pressure defect. The you actually have like the old player on you. I mean, that's gonna be there. Lillard other game series winning shot as wall has got to be up there. Lebron's game winner in game four twenty fifteen against the bulls would have to be in there as well few others. Maybe that I'm forgetting, but the the only sad part about this. When was that it was a game five when they're already? Three. But I I mean, that's basically saved them for having to go to a game seven. I would say me. Okay. See would certainly been favored in a engaged. Six at home. What other piece of history Lillard didn't quite get there? But he got close to the record for most points and a half in playoff game. That record is held by a player that is known for a playoff performance, but not necessarily for this record sleepy Floyd dropped twenty nine on the Lakers in the fourth quarter. But that twenty nine pushed him up to thirty nine in the second half. Which is the most anybody's ever scored in playoff. Lillard had thirty four sleepyhead thirty nine Barclay thirty eight MJ thirty seven so. Yeah. I mean, we'll talk more about it. Okay. See in their off-season preview, but certainly some soul-searching here Paul George finally had his dominant game in a loss in this series. Certainly he is the best thing that okay see has going right now. But when you throw in there shooting problems, Westbrook's very quickly declining play, and you combine that with the fact that you know, you can't really tell him nothing. It seems like he doesn't seem like someone who is going to be able to fall his game that well, and he could turn into a liability very quickly always lack of flexibility is huge as well shooter. They're locked into him for another couple years at a good offensive game tonight. But I think this season he proved that he's not worth fifteen million dollar salary, especially when you consider the first round pick. That was traded to get him. I thought it was maybe a fair trade to get in Anthony four shooters straight up. They had about the same number of negative value on their contracts, but shoot I think is not been what they hope to Anita end overall the season. So it's gonna be tough. I mean, it it's maybe they could get the right match up and gets the second run some years. But I think it really in Stephen Adams his declining play this season is a major issue, perhaps he had some health stuff us going through. He had a weird game. Five just looked out of sorts Allott and some late late rotations rim-protector offense of rebounds for him. He just was not like so much of their strategy. Really depends on him just being this bruising head-knocking force and the blazers really took him out of the series it in large part. I mean, his his biggest contribution was like some posts ups and floaters, and that's not what Stephen Adams. It is supposed to be. I mean, he's not that old. So we may just find out that he was really going through some stuff. I don't think he's ever had like a surgery or anything, but the granted made some strides this year, he's gonna be a solid piece phlegm the starting power forward in the future. But I mean, they gotta get more out of Ferguson. It really make him a big shooting weapon or grants gonna have to continue to improve his jumper. You've really, you know to the point where he's not just okay, we can leave him open and we'll close out at him. It's like right now, he can't leave that guy. That's still a long way to go for German granny deserves a lot of credit for how far he's gone. So far, no Markeith Boris Noel, Raymond Felton was was in the rotation this year, and they're going to be super expensive going forward. Paid a lot of money. Any to not really be a playoff team. I'm not really be a threat any kind of a contender at all. And the late seasons wounded really hurt their seating, though, they ended up with Portland. I mean, they could have ended up with more dangerous for stress. Winnable metric, you take them. I picked them to win. And so this year Russell Westbrook's his his advance stats forty seven percent shooting lawn. Thirty three percent usage last year. I mean sky assist rates not a sprint last year in their six six game loss forty nine percent true shooting thirty nine percent usage. He hasn't. He his other than his first time in the playoffs that six game they had against the Lakers. Russell Westbrook has been at thirty four percent. That's as best true shooting. Every other every other fifty four fifty four fifty four every other every other year fifty two percent or lower. Yeah. That's pretty bad. It seems pretty clear that teams can really lock in on what they do any just he's not the same force in transition anymore. That's a a. Big problem for them as well. You're ready to talk nuggets Spurs here. I'm not sure I'm quite ready. But I think we need to need to get to it. Anyway. I mean that was to me the most interesting of the remaining games hope. Really? Yeah. But I think so I brought this up during them cast. It was really striking. So during because we happen to do both games. Four and five at least in part of the last two nuggets Spurs games for the NBA cast. And I started getting into this idea at the end of the first quarter of game for about how at that point. Well, Denver kept it close. You know, they had chances to tie the game and take the lead in game. One broadly speaking San Antonio outplayed Denver consistently for that series other than joe-marie going completely bananas in the in the fourth quarter of game to immediately following that Denver has really taken control of this series. I think they've defended much better. And they've also been helped by hitting just a ridiculous proportion of their shots, especially from three in the competitive portion of. A game which will say it was the first through third quarters tonight. Because when San Antonio gives up they really give up which I actually applaud twelve twenty six from downtown for Denver Jamal Murray. Another excellent game twenty three points four of nine from three seven assists while plus twenty seven so he he was Vantic. They really solved the riddle of Derek Whyte guarding him these last two games able to get pretty decent looks. And I thought even for the first time in the series late in the second quarter. We started to see that real pinball Yokich balls what I at a modest calls it and back doors DA Joe's moving the ball. So quickly the can't recover just lot layups at the room with a floor space and the Spurs just couldn't keep up Yokich is passing and Packers in the chemistry between he and Murray was awesome. Giving goes it looked awesome and the Spurs relooked, powerless Darris. Derek Whyte a second straight poor game from him three thousand the first half got his fourth. And basically that was it for him early in the third quarter. Denver had. Twenty three in the first three quarters. Denver had twenty three assists on twenty nine made baskets. They're really ping around. And there were so many beneficiaries of that Puhl Bill sap the difference in his self created shots verses non-self greatest shots was gargantuan yet a couple of catch and shoot threes. But then had a series of just pretty awful twos to be honest drama had a couple of catching shoot three's missed one of them. But I think it was one where he got to two shots on the same possession. Made the second one Gary Harrison if you shots and Denver. No, they can they can generate these good looks through a couple of different means Yokich brilliance as a big part of it could generated transition and you're right. I think this was the first game we're not only from three, but they were generating better looks from to. And I thought they were also playing better defense those things often run together, and they played well, we'll Barton having a much better game. I thought was was important to he had that you get to threes early on coming off the bench in game four, and then he just kept on taking shots kept missing them. But seven eleven. Seventeen points, three assists. I thought he played very well overall. Yeah. And he talked about as a six man for reason. And they part of bringing him back was promising him that starting small Ford job while he's not a good matchup against Marta rose in this series completely changed when they went to join Craig Craig only at one shot tonight, which was a missed three. But apparently, you know, he his gravity of was enough to open things up after went five seven last game. He did have ten rebounds as well. And I think Plumlee his role was really minimized which helped a lot again, they're part. They've taken those two big lineups with Yokich and Plumbly and just put Craig the foreign those instead whether with Plumbly or with with Yokich, and I think that's really helped spread out the Spurs as well in the Spurs. Look, the they had no chance of stopping Denver tonight. They could have stated it a little bit more early. They trailed twenty six to nineteen after one and they just missed so many laps for south. They're six of sixteen at the rim. Derozen was over. Aldridge was two five and he missed three just wide open land like really not much of a contest at all the Spurs could have played better at been in this little more just by like actually making some layups. Yeah. What the shot that they didn't take? So they couldn't really make them threes. So in the first quarter, I pray San Antonio because they got seven three pointers up. They made two of those seven in the next two quarters, which was basically the rest of the competitive portion of the game. They only took six only made one of those six they were one for six from three in a full half of NBA play basketball. Yeah. That's that's really bad and glass gain their three seventeen from three three of thirteen in the first three quarters tonight. So I mean, and yeah, they don't shoot a lot of threes. So in theory, they're not dependent on them. But they also shot forty percent from three in that mitigated the impact of them not taking them any. I mean, that's the number one weakness for Denver is giving up threes. And if you're just not that's not part of your system, you start one three point shooter in Britain Forbes. Took three of those thirteen three point attempts. They did try to go to more lineups with like with mills protons only played seven minutes in the first three quarters. Rudy gay has been totally shut down by Paul Millsap, forcing him to his left, and he was negative fifteen three of eight from the field again did up one nice passed. But that was about it white only got four field goal attempts up in those first three quarters. So yeah, I mean to just like dispersed team as the number five offense in the NBA. And they've been totally shut down to the last seven quarters by this nuggets team or I should say six because we don't care what happened in the fourth quarter game. I do want to briefly single out Jaka Pearl for praise. I thought he was the best spur in this game. Did a nice job, contesting shots thrim. New member we talking game for about how his absence due to trouble ended up making a difference as Denver kind of took control of that game. Thought. He did a nice job over overall kept the ball moving a little bit, you know, still happy. That's that's just a part of portal's game. But against Denver who typically has two bigs out there. I think he's made a big difference. Yokich didn't take nearly as many shots in this game at twenty nine last game took twenty two shot, but I really appreciated bike milona again extending his he played thirty three of the first thirty six minutes of the game and Plumlee played five five. And I think that's what they need to yoke. It shot is that good. And when he got the ball in the posted more the five one pick and roll they're getting some stop cervitti guest just into semitransition situation. The Spurs don't have a lot of length or speed. They're not gonna be able to make a lot of rotations closed guys down thought derozen had a really poor defensive game in this one in particular, Forbes mills just don't have the size. They're paying at one point. They're playing Forbes mills and Bella Nellie together or Forbes mills and derozen without white out there and white didn't have a great defensive game either. But without white out there. They have no chance stop anywhere on the permettre. And then of course, with white in there as long as if he's not blowing by guys thrim. Gary Harissa has made that a lot more difficult or? Doubling him anymore. Now where you're getting the shooting in the spacing from. So this is kind of it took a while. But this is kind of what we thought might happen of just or the Spurs really going to be able to eyeso- Denver into oblivion, and it just doesn't look like that's the case. Now Denver has really good matchups on their best three guys white Aldridge and derozen will they got Millsap Craig and Harris to guard those three guys and the Spurs do a lot of ice. Oh, and if you they can't create the advantage, and they got Yokich you can slide over his wall on Aldridge. It's it's pretty tough on me. If I had to pick. I would actually probably make Denver the favorites that in game six personally, I think they really just seem to sell this. Now, the Spurs will play a lot better at home the backs against wall that ship, but it does the like Denver is the better team. And I'm glad for their sake that they are are starting to show and these the Spurs team just has so many guys who are just limited. You know? I mean, it's we get back to this every time, you know, it's it's your stars number one. And then it's number two Yoji. You have guys who versatile don't have weaknesses and the stars aren't that? Good. And they don't have a lot of instability or lettuce. Yeah. We saw some really awful defensive backwards for San Antonio, which really just at work against Denver because they have guys that can can create they can attack off all that. They can do a lot of damage. I will also note that on a night were see if we were dealing in a hypothetical where the fourth game of the night didn't happen. We could have started this with the audio of your call of Mason Plumlee post up which was just that was on was that on Pertile. I think so. Yeah, it was definitely was not an advantage matchup got. Yeah. He just he posted at I'm sorry to ship all the time. Like, it's a lot of it's an aesthetic thing. I do think he's overrated I overrated by the nuggets. I thought it was an asinine contract to give him in restricted free agency with no other bidders and a center who's a superstar your team who should be playing forty minutes game in the playoffs. But it was assault backup center in the regular season and could step in and has some passing Bill. Let's run some of the same stuff. But like he just he's so big for his britches offensively like he just wants to post up all the time. And it's just he hit two to the ugliest hook shots and MB history tonight. And it wasn't even like not even an advantage matchups. Either. One other note on his drives me crazy one other note on his contract. Remember Denver gave up a first round pick deduct the lecture taxes here and the amount of money that they cleared in that trade was somewhat similar to the about the Plumlee making. So there wanted to pay the tax in fires. All right. We we should we should be mean to Denver this. It's great when we can be mean to them because it looks like it looks like we're going to be nice to them for at least another few days. So they can get that don't little barbs and Portland Denver. I think is going to be a really fun series. Maybe not as high quality as the other three that we're gonna see. But I think it's going to be really really enjoyable. It's a pallet cleanser, so. Yeah. Absolutely. It's a I mean a lot of exciting players a lot of offense. A lot of very interesting matchups in that series, assuming that Denver can close it out. And they think teams that win game five and lead three two win like eighty three percent of the time. And I would put them in even a more commanding -sition the NATs because it does really seem like these Spurs mystique is is is dead right now in the series. It is interesting. I mean, this is a Kodaly different Spurs team. But it is interesting. How often that the Spurs seem to just start really well in a series and just kind of get figured out. And I don't know that. If that's coaching as much as its personnel in this case, I think it's really more personnel. Just Denver realizing what their advantages were obviously moving Craig starting lap. I think was huge. But I mean there are lots of series where the Spurs started really well now I in twenty fourteen obviously against Miami was basically the opposite the Spurs just like got better as a series went along enrolled this series. I thought of you brought that up was twenty twelve when they went up commanding to was it. It was two zero. I believe against comes. And then just got just got trucked for series. I don't wanna spend too far on this only two field. But Popovich, you know, I think in certain facets of these last this last like the post Tim Duncan here, which I think is also meaningful line of demarcation considering how important he was defensively. And why these things is that pub vich he might be such a good regular season. Coach that it covers up these deficiencies that then become not survivable against superior competition. Glenn who more personnel deficiencies? Right. Yep. Yep. Personnel. Totally. Yeah. So like, you think about a good example of this was the year without Kawhi, basically, you know, last year, and they're they have this amazing defense, which was cultivated basically out of thin air. Then granted they're facing warriors team, which is one of the most talented ever assembled. No stuff gir-, though, you no Steph curry and the head like a five hundred record without Steph curry, they got they got destroyed by the jazz. I think the last game. I mean, obviously that warriors team change things. Open up more about this. I they get eliminated though. Maybe we should get -rupt us upper we can well, I think it's just avoiding talking about these two games. I mean, they're all start with the step for your this is a great stat here Shuman or Bader who had this think Shuman at one point in the game with Philadelphia's five starters on the floor. They hit outscored Brooklyn thirty seven to Toronto. Yeah. I mean, they're they're pretty pretty stark things there as well. I mean, we're. Lando relied really on that that incredibly hot shooting in game one when they when they won that one. And this time around thirty thirty nine percent from the field thirty two eighty three twenty seven percent from three and Toronto put the clamps to him. I think offensively, and then they were able to get looks all over, and I thought actually the early part of this game where where it was basically settled though, Orlando did cut. The merging was a lot of defensive failures by the Orlando Magic yet really started the raptors really started moving the ball in transition early. But the the biggest problems are lended just couldn't score me that nine of three four three point shooting. The specially early on as the raptors built out to over a twenty point lead in the first half. The Orlando got within thirteen at one point very briefly. And then coin Lowry came back in the game, and they instantly built Beck. Twenty those at at and co why I mean, he had three games in this series that were just absolutely completely ridiculously and unstoppable. Tonight, twenty seven points. He. Did it on evil Levin shooting? And so we actually had thirteen shooting possessions in this game. So that's more than two points. Every time he shot the ball or took a trip to the free throw on five five from three six of six from the foul line, plus thirty eight and is defense really was back to the one place that he had in transition where they through the head to his getting his left arm held. He just catches it one handed. And then just turns it over and dunks. It never touch the ball left hand. It was just like one of the more ridiculous plays over seen in terms of just like hand size and lettuces them. And we talked about it in game after game three and four that the spacing that Toronto is put around at really for the first time in his career. We've seen him just be able to bully basically anyone to get to the rim and virtuous had another nightmare three falls in the first quarter ended up sitting out the entire rest of the first half 'em. He was I mean, quite frankly Kemper was better than him in the series for Lanta. I mean, that's how. Bad. He was defensively particularly really struggled in the first half of this one at three of ten shooting. He's gonna have nightmares about Marcus ole all season or all off season. I should say. And maybe maybe a few about surge Avakian to and the rest of this swarming. Raptors defense that just is all of the place all-time. It's this is probably I I'm trying to I can't think of any others out ahead. But this has got to be like the most dominant performance in a series by team that lost game one. You have a more encyclopedic memory of of this than I. But it it certainly striking there. I mean in this one I mean, you'd probably have to go back to like, I mean, some of these other ones at least had like one other really close game through kinda close at the end. But they're still up by like ten from one coup. I had the flu. Yeah. Yeah. I mean and also the efficiency of Toronto starters, PASCAL Siaka made of sixteen coli you mentioned at eight of eleven Lowery six ten Powell was over fifty percent Baca was over fifty percent from the field. It was it was really. A remarkable to just see them humming on also soldiers and then also just dominating defensively, and it was just just dominant overall performance. And now, we don't know the time he had a good bit surprised that the league has announced it though, they have plenty of time. Now that the Eastern Conference second round that we've been waiting on basically since the start of the year while I was thinking since the since the Sixers traded for Jimmy Butler that was kind of to me that was really the moment where you're like. Oh, yeah. It's really going to be four. We thought it before then. But then I thought that ratcheted up, and it's it's those four teams that's who's left y'all. We want can't. I mean, this will probably spend a lot of time the rest of the week talking about these series that are coming up. I mean, I was kidding. You're onto pot like should we move onto runner litters ideals, say about Brooklyn, Philly a few small things I mean, the the blitz came so early that the game was basically over like five minutes in but some really rough performances by nets that kinda continued stories from this series de ngelo Russell three of. Sixteen from the field. One of six from three three assists one turnover. Joe Harris ended up four of eleven from the field but missed four of his five three pointers. And mean, there were some guys who put numbers on the bench, but we really care about that. And then Joel and bead I mean I little bit twenty minutes twenty three points, thirteen rebounds, two assists, plus twenty six it's completely insane. Yeah. You you noted this the other day, and it's probably only got up that he was like leading the NBA in postseason PR by ten points. I mean now he's playing limited minutes, obviously and taking the opportunity to shoot every time. He can when he's in there. But I mean that that's completely insane. And he obviously, I mean there couldn't be a better match up really in the entire MBA for him to go up against in this first round than Brooklyn. I mean, they really just not only do they only have one center avilable that center is pre skinny, and then they don't have any kind of length or lettuce on the perimeter as far. As guys who are going to like help and close out caused problems as helps offenders like big big strong wings with athleticism there anybody like dad either. So I mean, there's really about as easy as a cat out there for Joel in this series. And certainly there's a big measure of concern about the number of minutes. He's gonna play his overall shape in this Toronto series going for. But I really that. Starting lineup was so dominant in this series and just getting James at its back and having Mike Scott did get I think a he'll contusion this games. That'll be something to watch going for. They can ill afford to lose Mike, Scott, which is amazing to say. But and TJ got a few minutes in this one. They still really would like to avoid play him. What's gonna with bo-bottle next? I mean, I can't wait to talk about that series. It's just the Sixers team is just such a quirky matchup still maybe even more so than last year when we thought they were a team of extreme and for Brooklyn. This is one where it was a feel good season for them. They go into the offseason with some cap space. We'll talk about all these. And obviously as well. But you know, as far as lessons learned I think some of the things that we are saying about the ngelo Russell in the regular season. It was very clear that he used gonna struggle against length and athleticism. This wasn't even a team those switching him very much either. That's even more of his his problem. I'd love to say how Spencer Dinwiddie is better than ship play more. He was one out of seven in this game too. So that's a problem. Niclely need more on the wing. They probably need a center with a little more half. If you're gonna gonna have to go up against, you know, a Toronto or a affiliate some point of this is a fun series, fun rivalry. I think ultimately Atkinson did all that he could in this series. And it just they obviously didn't have the personnel to have the lettuce and the Sixers and glad for the sisters that their stars rebel to come through. And that they are able to just overwhelm this team that the way I think they should've been after that game. One is another one where they lost game one. And we're like oh shit, and they just pretty much dominated the last four games. And there was that game. Four was the only one that was close. In a gigantic disappointment. Joel embiid's Martin on the rest of the league postseason PR's all the way down to seven point seven six Dame Dame number two Jaanus hit forty one right Poisson's closeout game last night. But Lillard sixty two percent true shooting over the series on yet. That usage is thirty three usage and gets you know, again, pretty like is playing a real team on like some of these guys aren't that's enough to wrap it up. Here is fun. I rod still got one series going on amazingly. We have three series going on. Oh, yeah. Yup. No. Any over? I give you a we'll, Sean. Oh, yeah. I think you can put it together. They looked a lot better in in game for I will also note. So the the hilarity in some ways, the torture that that has been part of this for me I with all these series ending so quickly in in rapid succession. I have a bunch of off-season previews coming out at the the pistons are definitely coming out on Wednesday. I have submitted all of the other teams that have been eliminated. But I just don't know which ones editorial staff is working hard on not only my work. But the great the great work that everybody else that the ethic is doing. So I don't know which ones, but that's why it's good to fall on Twitter, or you can just check out my author page at the athlete, and you can see everything as it pops and other some news came up, but we'll probably save that for tomorrow. And we'll talk to you all that.

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Red-Hot Suns, Gobert Wins 3rd DPOY & LeBron Changes Jersey Numbers For 'Space Jam'

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Red-Hot Suns, Gobert Wins 3rd DPOY & LeBron Changes Jersey Numbers For 'Space Jam'

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If you haven't already get your no dunks t shirts and hoodies and shorts and we got coffee mugs and we got more things coming down the pipeline there so no dunks dot com for all of your gear. Okay we got the up down report on today's show. Another award was handed out. Was that the last one. I can't keep track. And he's a rookie right. Oh rookie yes so. We're still waiting on that anyway. We got the defensive player of the. You're going to go bear. We'll talk about that but some other sort of fun. Random things one involving lebron. James changing numbers that got everybody excited. But we'll start with the game here. I know sons fans are fired up. Chris paul has another big night tasks as the sons destroyed the nuggets in game two take two. Oh series lead one twenty three to ninety eight. What's the big takeaway from task. Smells here on a thursday morning. Well let's go pre-game michael porter jr. not looking all that healthy he's warming up with what looks like a back brace. He's applying heat to his lower back. Kind of looks like a out there. Pre-game or a pregnant lady applying heat to the back and it sure looks like the nuggets. We're going to try and get him gone because they know they need him in this series so they kept on giving him the ball early and he call length away. He hit or miss. This i seven shots in this game but it looked like a little blessing was coming to the denver. I guess wendy deondraye eight and picked up his second foul only five minutes in the nicola yoke stopper the guy they need on the floor to stop yokich and what i think is the coaching move of the play offs monty williams kept him in there. He had the guts to keep them in there. So if you voted for tomko for coach. Give it to monty williams right now. I think this was really really important. He stays on the floor. Dario sars doesn't have to come in where they have to double yokich so eight and stays in there with two fouls and he ended the game with two fouls really really really important. Minutes and the nuggets were deflated. Because puerto junior didn't look all that great but they were a little slow getting back in that first half the sun's kinda getting back in behind them a lot back continued throughout the game and it just continued into the third quarter. When yeah chris ball and the sons took over. And i'm not sure. Chris ball practice in the first round. I bet he looks ridiculously. Good seventeen points fifteen assists and zero turnovers. He doesn't look like that shoulder is bothering him. At all. devon booker still hasn't gone off yet in this series hasn't scored more than twenty one and. Yeah the nuggets. Just didn't look like are up to speed with the sons. Didn't look like they really had the energy to keep up with them running down the floor whether it's the home court advantage. I don't know there are a couple little positives. Michael junior started over. Seven did finish three of six. Maybe maybe they know they gotta apply more heat. Pre-game get him warm or credit. Yeah get him. Just get him in a asana courtside or something. But he he needs to. He needs to do what he did. In the second half the first happened will barton came back. Maybe he goes into the starting lineup. He had ten points in fifteen minutes. He looked really really good. Hadn't played in two months but yeah the sun's didn't get a bad performance from anybody again and that's a really really impressive park and the nuggets just looked like they didn't. They didn't have the energy they weren't going through. They kind of ignored yokich at times. In the first half which is bonkers. You want to go to go to aaron. Gordon sure you can do that. But when aaron gordon has the ball one guy's a weapon instead of five guys being a weapon. Yokich has the ball. So i think that yokich was ignored and that was a bit of a mistake and i don't know if the sun's just felt like they were a little bit more energetic right throughout the entire game. Yeah through this entire series so far maybe a big part of that is the crowd which was hyped again. Trade did the nuggets quit though. That's what mike malone says or is this him just playing his final card that he can play like you criticize team after game. One is really laid into them after game. Two here. I mean he did say that we quit tonight. Something you never wanna see. And he went off. I thought he's done this before. This is sort of his ammo. The phil jackson for sure like he likes to do it. Through the media. We heard it during the first series. We heard it a few times during the season. Basically come out and say we were physical enough. And i kind of agree that the nuggets quit a little bit. You can just see yokich getting so frustrated. Last night there were multiple times in the second half when it felt like the sun's just completely overwhelming the nuggets yokich. We get a touch inside. He would do some cool moves. Maybe that's a foul during the regular season. He's not getting the call and then you just see him. Complaining to the referee all the way back up down up and down the court. That's when you can tell. He has kind of lost his interest in the game. We've seen it happen with yokich. Before i don't know the sons are really just looking like they're outclassing. The nuggets here. There are overwhelming them with talent and depth in the second half of these games so far it's been kind of the same script i feel like through games. One and two where the nuggets are able to play it close. They go to halftime monty. Williams says whatever he says in the huddles chris. Paul says whatever he says. The sons make a couple of tiny adjustments. Come out the nuggets right in the face and the nuggets just aren't able to respond because the starters disparity has been incredible in this series. No different last night. Yokich went for twenty four the other four denver starters had twenty six points combined. Meanwhile every suns starter finished in double digits. According to on over at the athletic the phoenix starters were a plus seventeen in twenty minutes. I mean puerto. Junior has struggled in this series. Perhaps it's his back but if he's not making shots the nuggets just don't have enough offense in their starting lineup to really hang with the sons who have been completely locked in on defense yeah. This is five. Consecutive playoff. wins here for phoenix. Li there a role in right now. Trae senate mean everybody's contributing in fact if you took everybody this played in these two games and i'm serious here and you line them up and you said okay rank them in terms of like who's playing the best through the first two games it's going to be yokich probably somewhere in the first two. Whatever if you're putting chris and then you'll get your yokich increase even in in the last whatever and then what is it. Seven maybe eight phoenix suns players. I'm not kidding. I'm really not there all playing so well as you're getting down to eight or nine th until you get to another nugget is my point here and part of that of course maybe as the injury caputo but the back court like this is the back court that i thought was going to be the problem against the blazers which is why. I took the blazers to win that. Because you cannot have come pozo austin. And then morris who's like been brutal in this series combining for twelve points on four thousand nine hundred. I thought that would bite them in the in the first series against blazers but blazers play no defense. It turns out the sons an unbelievable defense. Anyway it's it was a crazy dominant victory again definitely missing monte morris the app that he gave them against portland but i just wonder if maybe mike malone Me does shift team into the starting lineup. Just to mix things up for game three but this one actually was only eight points at halftime. But it really was it like it could have been a lot more because the sun's actually had appeared in that second quarter quarterback four minutes with i couldn't school but denver's offense was so bad they couldn't really take advantage of that and i felt they were just talking a little bit the nuggets and again marco poor. They were trying to get him going but he wasn't healthy and he wasn't hitting shots and he still you know he's a young player he's still sort of dislike. I'm shooting when i get the ball. He has that mentality. That's one of the fault that he has to work on. He has improved throughout the season. But i thought it was last night and then in that third quarter and then the fourth quarter monte kept his stars and chris paul just so michael porter was just like. You're defending me. And i'm going to score a couple of times and that was just torture. That was absolute torch and then there was another time where i think it was on him and they went for the switch and yokich estate in the paint chris. Paul just walked into one of his midrangers. Which you know. He's going to knock those down so you know he. He was just a master again last night. Really just crushing the nuggets. Because it was a twenty five point game it was a blow out but again they were they were sort of close enough to start that second half that if things turned around they could have gotten into it but they just didn't really seem to have. The fight lasts not michael malone sank. Quit i thought it was a little harsh to be on us. And you know we've seen the bucks quick the other night. They were just awful. But i didn't think the nuggets quit. I thought they was one of those nights. Where the twin falling. They competed long enough. Before you can really say quit. So i thought that was a little bit hot. The krill yokich was on overdrive. That was like the things that people criticize yokich about losing track of the game and just getting super involved with the rest because like you're saying tasks great job by eight and picked up two fouls early non the rest of the way surely yoga. Just thinking he's going to get some of these foul calls inside but that hasn't been the case. Maybe it will be in game three when they presented the mvp award. Even chris. paul was a little bit worried about that in the post game. He's like we know game for he's going to be crazy they'll probably give joker his mvp so the crowd will be going. Maybe he gets the more foul calls but he wasn't getting any sort of love from the officials last night if eight and did an incredible job and you can just tell that yokich was frustrated. He's if he's feeling emotional and a game that can take him out of things and if he's out of things there's just there's no chance for the nuggets and i think he should have been a little more part of his frustration with his teammates. He just should have got the ball even more. Sometimes they're just taking shots. That were slightly contested. Really i just think with the way everyone else is playing. Give him the ball at the top and see what he does with it almost every possession. It's it's it's not great can bring the ball up but then let yokich make everybody else a weapon and i think he was frustrated with everybody stinking a little bit and not giving him the ball and obviously what the officials as well and maybe tried to take deondraye eight and into the torture chamber a little bit you may get a or two and maybe thinks change in denver but yeah they were all frustrated and it's for some reason they didn't really have the belief to get back on defense either like you know when you got guys sneaking behind the back line and getting layups than that. That's the energy of the crowd or whatever you're not gonna win and yet so this old this old nuggets rosser got to be a little bit better. Yeah like we're saying about the suns roster. You talk about the fricken leadership like chris paul. Yeah i think that's a little source of motivation for game three. He said postgame going to give yokich the mvp trophy before the game. Which i guess they are. Is that true. I guess a little quick ceremony but but not a full presentation full presentation the ball video half court and you give it to them and everybody applause. And that's it that's it. Maybe maybe as team comes out surrounds them. But i know you're down to. It's not as fun for sure. Yeah yeah it's kinda like getting the the the neighbor community award you know kind of thing. Like it's just a quickie get a photo op and move on. But i think chris paul is. He's he's just motivate guys like he did the same for game two. He said postgame said we lost game. Two against the lakers at home in the last round. We didn't want to go one one. So he's just finding a source of energy source of motivation for him and his crew. And i think i think he's. He's just so good at keeping everybody in line like deondraye eight and he could've fell to third time coulda gone to the bench at but i think i'm just. I'm giving a lot of credit to chris ball and everything he does keeping everybody in line even the guy behind him campaign like camping had a dumb foul campout composite just ran into him campaign. Cool calm collected stays in the this campaign. He was almost of the league and he turns the ball over. Just once the wrote the game plays a perfect game. I mean everybody on that roster's just rolling. So yeah monty. Williams purse ball. They all deserve the credit but Maybe things change in denver. I don't know we'll see it comes down to game three. I think we all agree with that. It's not like they're gonna come back from down three after win game three that they have a better effort. I think mike malone is just trying to light a fire under their ass calling them quitters. And as anybody gonna play hard stop moping around. Yeah he's calling yokich a little bit to trace that these are he's done this before and you'll see if it'll work in denver. I will say reggie says a lot of dumb things on the broadcast at times. But he was spot on when he said the second half started legally. And you said it was ten point game there. And he's like these five minutes are super important for denver here like they have to win. This take control prove that they can hang with the sons and the opposite happened right because in the first ninety. seconds of the second-half crowder hit a three then yet bridges getting a piece of yoga trishaw. Great defense eight and get fouled and transition. It's both of those free throws that's five right there okay. Rivers then gets to the line splits a pair misses and then crowder splashes another three from the other side of the floor. Boom sixty to forty three. The places going insane. You gotta call a timeout. Stop the bleeding and it felt like that was. That was game right there. I mean they never really gone all that closed after that. And so reggie was right. I mean he said five minutes but it was like it was ninety seconds a minute and a half and then it was over and mean it was a little similar to what we saw in game one where it was like ooh sons do not play incredibly well offensively in the first half but then turn it on in the second half there and ran away with a full mcadoo's god from the ninth price at a tweet the other day saying just how old man shouting at clash but just saying how easy it is for guys to pick up a switch on defense last or in game right now and i think that is the case because chris paul dusters walks down and basically just sort of picks the defender that he wants to be fighting. I mean we've talked about the same thing with kawhi leonard. One of the best defenders in the league and it does seem to be the trend at the moment. Like if you want the defending you can go down and pick him up pretty easily so i think that is one thing that that the nuggets needs to be more focused on as if mark reporters just getting cold into those defensive switches so they have to get him out of that area have to put him on a play whose further back or whatever. And maybe you know. Of course. it's the chess match. Then that play comes up to set the pig or whatever but you know you have to fight through screens a little bit more and you just not really saying that. But look chris paul i mean you sort of dance with paul millsap is well on my god and look at chris. Paul's done this season. Tigra to great defenders to anybody and millsaps a little bit slower these days than it used to be He's in complete control. But i remember well when chris paul when he did have that shoulder injury in that first round against the like he couldn't even fahim. He was losing his handling slipping around. He wasn't making passes with the real fees on it. That is just completely gone now. He backed the the superstar that he was walking into. that mid range knocked down their shots hitting threes. Doing everything and i think. That's clearly the biggest turnaround for the sons in the playoffs. He's health is back but if you are the nuggets i think you just have to fight a little bit more. Not let your weakest defender get picked up on in those situations because it does seem to be a little too easy for me. Yeah task what we talked about heading into game two or like we'll play and if he does play will he be able to give them anything or because he hasn't played at seven weeks. You'll be rusty and maybe it hurts the nuggets. What did you think i thought. He looked. alright. He gave him some some energy. I think malone even said after the game is like it's pretty embarrassing and got it hasn't played in six or seven weeks might have been the best player in terms of like just pure effort out there. But what did you think of what we saw from will barton their ball and will barton. I forgot how good he is. He's just such a natural smooth guy. He can score. Yeah he came out and it was on fire. And maybe he'll give you a tiny bit back on the other end but you energy level was super high perfect sixth man and who knows what the the adjustment is is it stick with cam pozo and and rivers in the back court and just keep willing that sixth man role. Maybe but. I don't know i mean he was just on frick and fire. So if you need some offensive weaponry why not shove him in there. He looks super good to me at ten points fifteen minutes. Maybe you'll have a little will sort of streaky. Each gets cold and he starts chuck a bit but love me some well loved. He just smooth. He's just a unique player there. So you guys we're asking thought. Nah it's going to be rusty wilburton. But no he was quite the opposite he was farting wilburton ten around to look good. I thought he was great and thinking again. Yokich got his numbers but they're making life difficult for eight is and sometimes when they're throwing second guys out. I thought he was like the best. The second best they'll get in this game by playing a very limited minutes so we'll see if he starts. Maybe morris does start like you said lee. I know he hasn't been great. Maybe just switching it up and putting him and maybe it slows chris. Paul somehow a little bit composite was getting picked on to that is happening. Michael porter jr. that they're putting in the action. I'm sure malone will do something. He doesn't seem like the type of coach. That's just like no this way. We do it the way we always done. It was good. Try it again. We'll play better. I don't think so. i think he'll give it. You'll switch something up. It has to be has to sound worse. I just think and look the fans in phoenix again last night. Just incredible. what he's in there. That's the other party so they're all the other team. Yeah no they're using right now enjoying it and they should because their team is playing incredibly fun basketball winning and they must be starting to. You know put. There is the western conference finals right now and just seeing how that series is because they're gonna be failing great Whatever he wants healthy and and again like last night. No one's go twenty points for the psalms. I think that's just incredible that you're getting signed much variety from your offense and not having chris paul he was the star with the seventeen and fifteen but the fact that no one's out there having to really be the only going on offense is is huge for them because getting contributions from everyone that's the way monte locks it and that just puts them in such a good position going forward the only the only real concern i guess for the sons is and this is one is complacency because apart from chris paul and jae crowder a lotta. Those guys haven't been to the playoffs and just think. Hey this is easy and things can turn pretty quickly. But i don't really think that's a problem with chris. Paul out there on the floor. Because he's because he's in such complete control but some of the younger guys feel like man. This is why we're cruising along era and take their foot off the gas a bit but what i think going after the game was like wasn't he like alluding to a series against the spurs when he was with the pelicans and he was like we hammered them. Want every we thought we were gonna cruise control. And there's like they weren't worried at all the spurs weren't with tim duncan and the came back in that series. Yeah yeah so. He's trying to tell them that. For surely like. Hey just because we're up to because we won both games a home in pretty dominant. Fashion crowd going nuts. Yes like we're still so far from what we want to achieve here in terms of moving on and then and then going even further. Which i mean. I don't know how you can't be You can't watch this team and go. No there's no way they can go to like look. I had the nuggets in seven. I'm hold on by a thread trade and you had them in six. I think right everything comes down to game three. It's not over things change in a hurry. But god they look just every guy contributing for phoenix. The scary part. And i think somebody already through this in there like when you bet on booker having like a thirty five point night here like probably one of these games and denver at least in this series. Like he's gonna pop off at one of these one. That's that's who he is so that's scary. If you're denver. i trae a little bit. Yeah i guess if you're denver. You're thinking we haven't had a big yokich game yet either. That's gallery the thing in game three. And that's honestly must-win game. Maybe the nuggets back if they lose game three but i doubt feels like very they just so overwhelmed last night that if it plays out similar to how it didn't game too bad news bears in game four. I would imagine but it's going to be lit and denver. No doubt this was their worst loss of the season. Probably their worst game of the season. They just looked completely completely outclassed. The aaron gordon apparently called out the team. Him and michael breen. Perhaps you would like that coming from yokich rather than a guy who's been there for twenty five games and a guy coming off the bench but low pants for aaron gordon out the team and came out with six points on three of seven shooting. Aaron gordon what's other be expecting from him but they should be expecting than six points from him. Shouldn't he be at least fifteen game in this series like with no murray there with michael porter jr. struggling you brought aaron gordon and not just to be a defender. He was a ball handler for the magic. He should at least be able to make some sort of plays out there. Yeah i would agree with that. I would like always not overshooting now shooting threes. Because those aren't going to go in generally you know he's taken the shots. I mean you're getting what you're getting. I don't think. I don't think it's really all that. I think if you're relying on him to score twenty twenty five. You end up being the magic. I think you're in the first one. He had a decent game. Like what do you have a double digits for sure The the three of six scoop percentage. I like it. I like his hair silver. I mean it's just it's it's those games we watch. Yeah the twenty five games. It was yokich setting him up and setting everybody else up and every everything running through. Yoke i mean. I just want yokich to touch that thing. One thousand times. The game and then aaron gordon. We'll get some from cuts and all that. But i don i don't you're right. I mean if border juniors struggling than somebody needs to handle the ball. But i want the mvp handling the ball and then let the chips fall where they may. I do wonder. Yeah we see yokich. Jus- shoot thirty times in games three and of course facilitate to move it around when the doubles come but he almost has to look. There's no doubt watching. Last night's game. These i do games like my god. They could really use jamal. Murray and some dribble handoff action with the okay to actually have some confidence in one other guy being able to sort of attack and maybe get a bucket because my god. It's just yokich right now when moore saying hitting anything. We haven't had the austin rivers explosion composite. A fine aaron gordon as we just talked about. Okay i mean like there are times when bill sap is like. Oh my god and they'll sell might be your next best bet to get a bucket but not good. We'll see what happens in game three. Chris paul i just want to point this out. You guys said the seventeen and fifteen zero turnovers. He's the only four other guys have done it in playoff history to have fifteen fifteen zero turnovers. Chris paul's done it. Three times. Lee for three different teams across three decades incredible to have those type of stats and a playoff game. The other ones they make sense. Jason kidd magic johnson. The final one though the a great trivia question one day spurs guard. Johnny moore lead. You remember johnny more. If we were pulled a johnny moore basketball card one of these old packs. I remember him. Yeah but now. I don't remember that game. We yeah we must have seen him. In one of the pop and pack at some point would be card we would. He did lead the lead in assist one year back in the early eighties so he was an assist man johnny board but even what he looked like surprise john stockton never reached that. Mark the fifteen without via pointing. No on that list chris. Paul dominating list Just feel their notes. I had bullseye tip. nine thirty. Three people were loving love to see. Yeah that was nice because you never quite know but maybe helped out by the one game only task. I was late. yeah i was. I was later rival to that nine. Thirty nine forty. Yeah yup that was fantastic guy. Said the crowd was awesome again. Kevin pelton tweeted the worst point differential through two games by an eventual series winner in a best of seven since eighty four. These are the three cleveland coming back against the warriors in two thousand sixteen through the first two games they were minus. Forty eight okay. Then we had the ninety five rockets coming back against the sun's it reminds forty six point differential for through the first two and then in two thousand. Sixteen the blazers over the clippers. Chris paul would have been on that team. Would he have not minus forty one and then he says that to point out the bucks currently minus forty seven point differential against the nets and the nuggets minus forty two. Yeah yeah so. They would be on this list if they could pull off the impossible to vote but coming back to win a best of seven. It was more likely milwaukee or denver denver. But i don't feel good about either. I called the doug i. It's the sun's just every guys playoff test. You thought it might be the kaminsky game last night. Like i was your random prediction. I put you guys on the spot. You weren't that far up. I mean it was dario sartre. Who was pretty awesome. I thought in this one Yeah he was amazing everybody. It's it's totally true. Renamed campaign dario saric torrey. Craig was blocking shots. Can't get things cam. Johnson did his part. So we're ninety now. I thought franken. He looked real good in garbage minutes one for three. Yeah jalen smitten. Everybody everybody in the valley there couple just plays. What was your favorite play from last night league. Because i thought there was some awesome once the chris. Paul like cross millsap and the diamond side was huge. Craig blocking morris from behind which led to a starch. Three on the other end was awesome. Yokich is fake tan round fade away. No look soon. We'll was awesome. A couple other favourite from last night. Well it probably is. Chris pull on just because of the pass i think was torrey. Craig finished at any. Just you know when he gets a guy like that and he's like. I'm sorry i have to do this. Poor you're a veteran urinals. You've been around the league. But i have to embarrass. You just can't help myself here. But there was another player. I actually clipped off that one play where yokich is was sort of called into picking pick and roll just stayed in the paint. The space that chris paul had to just stroll into that mid range. That if you are markham align i think he's probably focusing on saying we quitting because of all the shut in the world. You can give up the chris. Paul midrangers probably one of the The least you want to allow to happen so there was that i mean i love that early side of wilbert and i had that one ready to go but didn't get it up in time. So why were you clipping the mall. And they're not posting this. What it took a while to get through and by the time i had like a dozen people already says point but crispell when he just comes down and he just sort of looks at the defense and says Whose turn is it. Just goes out and delivers. I mean 'cause like to be a couple of those shots. It's not like he's created simon spies. It he's not near as he puts it up but it's just it's still seems uncontestable when chris paul decides he's taking a mid range shot. That's the crazy thing about the. He's just he's just beautiful to watch. I'm really happy. Go further in this series to be great for him if you if your team is not in the playoffs any longer. I don't know. I guess people don't like chris paul. There are those people that hate. Chris paul but the narrative of him getting a ring would be pretty damn cool and talked about it on yesterday's beach step in when we were coming up with like cool scenarios cool narratives for the finals match ups and that came up the idea of actually getting a ring at thirty six. But i don't wanna get too excited with the sons and christmas because every time you like up here we go. This is the year something terrible happens to see three knock on wood. If you're a suns fan li i hope you get a new Will barton highlight in game three. Because he probably only have a couple of games left to get in a wilbert is what the caption gonna be. I i gosh. I mean i can't preemptive that you see what the play it might just be like. A yokich is emoji could be something simple like that. Because the bar man all the batman. Yeah yeah. I'm going to be a big step back and i could be like. I don't go these firearm. My vacations seemed one of those gigantic. Ones doesn't really work but workshop. Where you gotta see like having a baby can't name it to look for. But we have this conversation in a whatsapp group skis. What you just brought up eight teams remaining. Who are you cheering for. Cause let's go to our buddies. Our buddy can a. He was cheering for the lakers. And will win the sun's bounce them. He didn't know who cheer for. I brought up. I brought up. Chris ball in the sense that i think he got to cheer for somebody from the west trae brought up yokich. He was in the yokich. Yeah but yeah. I'm yeah i. Yeah where's the. 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Eighty-three go bears only the fourth player in nba history to win it three times plus joining dwight howard who has three and then ben wallace into be matombo have four. The stifle tower finished with eighty four of one hundred first place votes. Ben simmons coming in second place overall with fifteen first place votes and then golden state's draymond green placed third so legally. You're going to get started here. Upper down on rudy gobert. Winning another dp y sums up. Congratulations convincing victory. There by really well deserved you do mention that. He joins pretty leak company. And when you look at it. He's going to be twenty nine soon in a couple of weeks here. And he is one of the league's most consistent and best defense is and has done for the last four or five years could end up with more than anybody. I think anything. That's beyond the range of possibilities here because you know that the jazz is backbone in. This table is defense. He's there he gets recognized for it. And i consider see him getting better. He grabs a lottery. Bandy doesn't have significant health concerns at this point like he's not an injury prone guy so it gonna play. The jazz are going to be a defensive team for a long time. As long as he's there so i can see him Being the leader of this brecca category. When when all said and done with his career because that's what he's certainly most known for any continues to be impactful on that end last season. The jazz defense slip to thirteenth in the league. Which was surprising for me though. Maybe the bubble had something to do with it there but it was certainly back this year and rudy was fantastic and deserve this award. Would you bet on that. Trae regal bear to win two more. Let's say defensive player of the years from here. He's only twenty nine whenever it is at least twenty nine and a couple of weeks or maybe one you can wrap your head around. And then you're like what voters actually give them more than wallace. That's where i would struggle but it is possible. I mean he's still. An elite defender. Just proved that winning it again. And i could see why could win it a couple more times and there doesn't seem to be voter fatigue for defensive player of the year right. It's more just like hey that guys still awesome a defense. Toss them vote. I mean you know. I think that rim defense is the most important defense out there. I think that going to continue to be the case. And obviously the jazz are going to continue to build around rudy gobert. The defender probably at some point. Ben simmons will get one people toss him a little depot y bone but i think go bear was the easy choice this year. He challenges the most shots at the rim and people are still trying to avoid them. I think that's pretty impressive. It's just that his lowlights stick out so much that people love to dunk on rudy. Gobert when he gets crossed up by. Chris paul and the corner top that sticks out a lot more than you know blocking jamaran dunk or something like that because we expect to some four guy to be able to block some shots. But i don't know if you watch that last possession of game one against the clippers. I know it wasn't during the regular season but that could have been a defensive player of the year highlight type right there rudy closing out in the corner. Kind of just fly on all over the court guys. A great defender five is in play. I would at least say task. Were you shocked at all by how much he ran away with this award. Eighty four of the one hundred one hundred one first place votes there go into them. Quite a significant amount thought. Some people thought might be a little closer between him and ben simmons but in the end it really wasn't all that a little bit for sure i get caught up in what the media saying and tucker did a good job of pumping up his guy in ben simmons and yeah. I definitely get caught in the narrative out there. I'm i'm a sucker. I definitely so Yeah i heard a lot but at the same time. I think we're going to get a good ben simmons game on friday because of it. I i know skeets you. You kind of mock that idea. When joel embiid came up with a forty point performance after nicole yokich got the mvp and yang that it had. Nothing had nothing to do the other. I think ben desperately wanted this thing and maybe we'll get just a tiny bit more ben juice on friday in atlanta for game three. I'm just trying to look at the positive here. i don't buy that. What danny green said about. Ben simmons that this this should go to a perimeter player because the the big man has less to do now in today's game it's the opposite. It's absolutely the opposite. Danny green also. I'm calling him. Dan green from now author dan. I'm going to take a vacation and read my dan green book on the beach but he says that perimeter players have more responsibility than the big guys. It's the opposite the absolute opposite. And that's why i understand you're saying voters don't have ot. I kind of have voter fatigue looking at this award. I kinda just go. Big man. Centric when i look at this award. Although bent does as much as he possibly can a rudy has a little bit more ground to cover. And i think he he does a good job of it because he. That's the only place you can really get physical with. Somebody is at the rim. They don't call it. The way they call it out on the primer which is touch foul at the rim. At least you can be a little bit physical. So i think rudy gets it. I have no idea. I'd i didn't look storage. If he's going to get he just needs to more and then he'll have the ultimate lead while finish twice second as well just going to say. That definitely wants to dream on me. Yeah yeah. Wow i mean does that is he. Then for the whole fee if he's like the old doing defender of all time. I mean i don't know that's it's too early for that. I saw some wallace. Just the doctorate rudy. Gobert is going to be a hall of famer. Oh wow colonists shot he's locking my goodness lawrence man you're gonna see rudy gobert the end of his career. He's going to be posted up with five defensive player of the year. Awards man man defense. I hate it what some people say more like. Maybe thirty eight percent of the game. But it's technically it's a great trophy. We'll say that cool when you see the defensive player of the year trump got some weight to the mvp trophies too. Don't get me wrong. But it's like how it looks a bunch of them there together. I will say though the award presentations are really starting to mail it. Which is left on his seat in his locker. This one so the jazz have already had an award there and it's just like hey go have it. And then Then jingles to save the day once again going up. They're putting up. A great speech army jingles has had the most impressive speeches and trophy presentation moments of the fault of the playoffs today. But do you want ingles to host the next nba award show. If we ultimately do it again you wear your blue suit. They're absolutely light it up jingles. He'd have some great lines. No doubt about it be sarcastic. He'd have a little shot at a few of the guys. He's gotten gotten an into it without us. Like poll georgia to be perfect. That's what we need. Paul hogan hosted the oscars back in nineteen ninety seven crocodile dundee so hugh jackman hosted the oscars entice the. We're gonna kylie minogue. Ever go but carleen a birthday birthday. Shout at down at the fortress in the hawks knicks game when they do the celebrity birth cawley minogue. And i'm like who -lanta is gonna know who kylie minogue and fifty three. She wasn't there she was. It was just like us celebrities birthday. It was like that's random. Yeah i wish. I could fight off expecting. I was not expecting you rappers and movie stars and people. I've never heard of nike okay. Okay okay our next one here in the up down report love. See him the thumbs by the way guys. Upper down the indiana. Pacers fired coach nate grin. Yesterday it is only season in indiana yorker and went thirty four and thirty eight now pacers players including sa- bonus and brogden they voiced dissatisfaction with yorker and at some point during the season general unhappiness i believe was sort of the quotes from the athletic reporters again threat season. And so he's gone and trae will start with you up or down on the pacers decision here to just fire bjorkman after just once season. Alright you're out of your man. I gotta go sideways on this skeets because on one hand a terrible look to have to fire your coach after a single season. But also if you're coach has to be fired after a single season you get a thumbs up for doing it because you don't wanna go for a second ear especially considering that the pacers are not a team that is early in their development right. They're trying their best to win right now. Obviously it's a tough season for indiana malcolm. Brogdon miles turner. Tj warm. jeremy lamb cares. Leverett all those guys missed significant time. They had a hot start eleven and nine through january. I'll never forget montessori bonus averaging triple double for like a month that's going to be the new flip. Murray out there remember when he led the league in scoring for like two weeks ago. Four zero five montaza bonus in december and january but they fell apart from their under five hundred for the rest of the season as no dunks fans no they kept showing up as the opponents and big beefs not a good look apparently may lost the locker room they got blown out in their last play in game and yeah skeets leaks galore. Basically that everybody was unhappy and didn't like this guy once that happens tough to put the toothpaste back into the to. There's a difference between being a voice and being vive voice. This is not the first time as an assistant has struggled moving into the big chair at sucks for the pacers that they had to do it so quickly especially considering nate. Mcmillan did take the hawks to the second round after years of losing in the first round of the playoffs but probably a smart choice for the pacers. Yeah what do you think tasks pacers decision here to quickly move off of a new yorker. I think they had a problem. They had to change it. There was just too much out there. There's way too much media reporting out there including tj warrant saying. Hey that guy came from phoenix team. When i was there. I don't like him. Gimme a trade. He didn't even play for them in indiana and that was a report. But yeah just up and down the roster so many guys and then we saw the whole goget thing with greg foster on the you know. We had that situation now. It's really strange. Because toronto sun reporter ryan will set said the toronto raptors would be glad to have nate bjorkman back as an assistant coach but as trae brings up. Sometimes you go for the assistant chair into the head. Coaching jaren and things don't go well but they love him in toronto so maybe he goes back to a position like that. But i think with indiana bad reporting. It's time to move on and it's not like a sacramento kings situation or somewhere where they just rotate in and out a coaches. It's it's not a tumultuous. It's they had nate mcmillan there for four years before that. Then frank vogel five plus years before that. So it's not like it's one of those franchises teams will look at or potential free agents will look and say just another bad season another year. Flynn coach that franchises in disarray. There was disarray in the locker room that i think they can go back a little bit too being that The respected franchise that they should be. There's a lot of stability there so they need somebody in there that stable that yet takes them to that next level of their growth. Leo always wonder when stuff like this happens. How much did other coaching coaches being fired. Have to do with this decision from the papers. What i mean by that. Is he still there. After the season last night checked ended a couple weeks ago. Yeah and then recently. Let's say the last week or so. You know we got terry stotts Portland we've got the whole thing with the like bunch of new openings which means some new some coaches that were there are now available. Is there a possibility here where it is like. Oh let's try and get terry stotts and it's like oh well he's available. Jeez let's get rid of this new yorker guy. We are already thinking about in anyway way. Maybe we can get him. I wonder if they're correlated at all. It's possible i guess. I think i guess the indiana front office said. Let's just give it a couple of weeks just to see maybe talk to him. Talk to the players once. Everyone's cool dan and the stress of the season's over and just to see if there is something we can work out of this. Because again i think for a franchise. You don't really want to do this. Move you want to be out of say. Hey listen we believe in. This guy didn't work out the first season but maybe after cool down a bit we can move forward but that wasn't the case and so you know he's ad i look. It's it's tough when this is your first gigging you get hand and the guy who got canned four as trae lutu. There is actually long hawks right now. The they turn their season around since. Nate mcmillan came over. So that's going to be tough for a night bjorkman if he wants to get a head coaching gig somewhere else. He doesn't Leave with a great reputation there. But if you're the places you haven't got a lot of time here if those guys are in demand like terrorists thought has been rooted. And also i think mike d'antoni is going to be a head coach again somewhere next season. It seems like he is still interested in coaching. And there's going to be a ton of interest. Because mike d'antoni teams have unfortunately come up short in the playoffs. I always play fast. It's high scoring exciting basketball and teams just like to have a guy like him there he just sort of unlocks your offense so i think the places probably decided. Okay we need to be at least We don't get caught behind before these guys get signed by some other team. So that's what i went into but it wasn't a knee jerk reaction as well. I guess that's a good thing from the prices. I just like decide. The data season ended. Right you're done. They i did at least give it time to think about it and see what they can figure it out but ultimately decided it wasn't the right move to keep him well. Rumors have mike. D'antoni going to coach the portland trailblazers and before you guys jumped on here to do today show. Tk told me if the antonio's to portland lock it in damian lillard mvp next year. That's right lock. It in. The guy gets incredible performances. Out of point. Guards steve nash. Mvp under mike. D'antoni james harden and the under mike d'antoni the only thing that's going to have to happen damian. Lillard will have to change his number two thirteen for it to work perfectly. And you're looking at maybe the best record in the league. A one seat in the western conference and from damian lillard. I would think it'd be pretty funny. Though if neil shea comes out and says we're getting a guy and here was bringing the defense look at this roster this exact same roster that i put together that so gorgeous and turn them into a defense. Nah lean into the offense go d'antoni it tends to work. I will say also think. Terry stotts is a lock for this indiana job. And i think a huge part of the reason that we heard about nate yorker and. Is that terry. Stop became available. Terry stotts played his high school basketball in indiana. He's an indiana sports hall of famer. Best way to get a job with the pacers. Have a connection to basketball. Somehow larry bird joined the pacers who else it has been in the mix here. Victor all depot in indiana player. I'm sure like a mike. Conley would be an ideal guy for them to have. Obviously they were rumored for gordon hayward if you're successful in indiana pacers want yeah. That's exactly what i think happened here with the news. Coming right off the heels basically stocks be like. oh and portland's like jesus he'd be awesome. Let's go see you later. That's enough time and they have the same for an office that portland did back in the day off. Writers that connection even a lot at george hill used to be an indiana. I just like to say this he went to. Iu ui. darren it'll be fun to see. Negga thomas. people are saying in indiana. Sv legend bielema coach there as well. Good kallstrom team Next one here socks hawks forward deondraye hunter will miss the rest of the nba playoffs because of a torn lateral meniscus in his right knee team announced this on wednesday hunter experienced some mild swelling in his right knee prior to game one against philli and he underwent an mri that revealed a new small tear of the lateral meniscus. So last like task. Upper down on the hawks chances of beating the sixers here in this series without hunter who obviously will not be returning up or down. It's terrible because the hunter is a very very solid player. But i'm gonna go up because kevin herders emergence off. The bench can just slot into that starting lineup at the small forward spot. He has been incredible these last couple of games. It's time for him to get in there with all the pressure on trae young solomon hill hasn't been able to to shore up the offense but kevin hurt or has he basically played starters minutes in game two. He played thirty six minutes. He was eight of ten twenty points game before that. The two games here in philadelphia six of nine so combined fourteen of nineteen so far in two games he's balling. You can't hide seth curry if you have. Kevin hurt her on the floor. You can kind of hide him on the andrea hunter. A little bit. I think you would rather have had. Just he's just a lethal offensive weapon right now. Who knows what the andre hunter came back. So i say that in coordination with the way Herders play. It's time to get him in there and yeah. It hurts the bench a little bit. No doubt but you're just got to play your guys heavy minutes. I think nate mcmillan will do that. I think friday night game three. You have to start devon hurt. Her now probably going to do it anyways. Even despite this andrea hunter news put solomon hill to the bench. But yet you gotta just just think about those three guys out there now trae bogdanovich and kevin herder. They're not gonna they're not going to be saved on the defensive end or they're going to do their job well enough on the defensive end and they can't trap trae that way you know with sawmill out there. They could with the andrea hunter. Maybe playing great. Maybe not they could but kevin heard her as scorching so. I'm looking forward to hurt her being out there. The consensus from the stream team really seems to be. It doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter if hunters actually going to be playing in this series. But what do you think. Are you up or thumbs. Down thumbs up because i've already won one game and game to as well and andre hunter was out most of the season anyway so they've learned to play with that and But they gonna miss him because he's a versatile play. he was good against the knicks. He can hit the threes. He can defend so you would certainly love to have at least twelve fifteen minutes. You'd love him starting over solomon hill for sure if he was healthy. But that's not the case. But i do think the hawks from what i've seen so far in the playoffs here. They've got enough to beat the sixers but they're in tough. It's going to be a tough series no matter what happens and who plays but if the if the sixers defense really does lock in and prevent the hawks from getting threes and getting shots off. Then it's going to towards the sixes but now they've stolen homequote. We've got a huge game. Dan here at the fortress tomorrow night. And i'm pretty excited for it so i think it makes a huge difference just because as i said. He's missed most of the seasons so they used to playing with adam but It's certainly they would prefer to have him out there and have an option so y- they miss him somewhat but they miss him they'd rather have him solvent hill for sure. Are these standing room. Only tickets available yet for down in the hong. Jesus i know upping checking religiously nothing yet but don't worry trae anything to add to this thumbs up thumbs down hundred. I don't know if this is a thumbs up thumbs down. But i'm with the team on this and i'm with you guys. On this deondraye hunter and less. He grew like five to eight inches and gained ninety pounds. him coming. Back is not changing. This series for the hawks because the problem is not sticking tobias harris out on the perimeter of the problems that joel embiid can walk to forty points. Basically against clint capella of a solid. Big man defender so yeah. You would obviously rather have hunter the not have him. But the hawks at least have a guy and kevin heard it or they can move into the starting lineup to replace. Solomon he'll actually thought solomon hill. Did a solid job in game. One play defense obviously did nothing in game two. You just need more out of your front court to combat beat is guaranteed to be doing final one here in the up down report. Lebron james is changing his number two number six from number twenty three next season the athletics. Shamsher anya and tim. Kato reported that the change is expected to come after space jam. A new legacy is released. July sixteen. My god made me laugh. anthony davis by the way is expected to keep number three. Because you might remember. There was what a year or two ago brown was gonna give his number. Two anthony davis and the league said no nike said. No somebody said no. We're not so anyway. Well do it now. But it's coming after the movie up or down. Tk on lebron changing his number back to number six from twenty three next season thumbs up for two year saga of a guy changing his number june twentieth. Nineteen lebron james gives. Anthony davis a number twenty. Three anthony davis jersey in a parking lot at a restaurant very soon. After whoever hits the brakes on this apparently nike would have taken a hit in the tens of millions of dollars. Just having to. I don't know it's not like people wouldn't want lebron. James twenty-three lakers jerseys. They just sold them anyways. I don't know. But i do think it's funny. Skeets that we're seeing the reason. The real reason why lebron wants the switch numbers here. It's called the space jam and see where a number six and all of the promo materials. So either they're trying to distance space jam to from space jam. One where michael jordan is wearing number twenty three for the tune squad. Or there's going to be a crossover between the two of them. You can't have to number twenty. Three's on the tune squad as we know the opponent changed used to be the monster stars. Now it's the goon squad but the tune squad remained the same. I've been advocating for an nj cameos since this project was announced that then they came out with the news that this was all going to link through the various warner brothers properties over the years. Kind locks it in for me. And i gotta say i'm actually excited for space jam. I'd wait for this to come out. I can't wait. i catch me at midnight. Waiting for the drought. Hang with my guy. Algae the algae rhythm. We got a defeat. The algorithm sodas lebron. We're all aligned on this one. Yeah my favorite tweet. I re tweeted at scotty burn them. He says he's calling his shot. I bet at the end of space jam. Michael jordan shows up to play in the game and lebron has to give up his number twenty three jay and thus goes back to number six lee. You're laughing but i could see that happening getting mj cameo in space new legacy likely. The funny thing is well is anthony. Davis is likely not changing his number championship with lebron into one number. Six of course of miami. I wanted to wear the crazy number. Like seventy four or something like that. I think it's time for that. I don't know when when this one came up in dhaka's like i couldn't care less about this but i'm going to try to find some sort of angle to bring the story here. I know you say you couldn't care less. But i people care about this like you. Just google search. It was like a million articles on this. It's wild but he's going back to six. You'll have both of them now it'll be. i guess. Kobe tasks in a way kobe. Doing it all for the same team. Of course the two numbers. But what do you make of this. So he's comes down. I'm pretty pissed. I wanna wear my lebron james twenty three jersey and be the same number that he's i understand why people get pissed about it. I get it. I get it. You want to want to have that same number. I guess people just don't like is changing numbers in general period. Although two things i if you buy jersey and a guy gets traded within a year you get insurance on that and get your money back well. Yeah that's yeah. That's that's that's cool. I just thought that's cool. That's a modern day. Little little tweak that that has happened in jersey game anyways the second thing is trey brought up going to a movie theater. Makov me excited. I'm not super excited about space. Jam too but combined with the fact that. I haven't been in a movie theater in a very long time and i saw people outside and movie theater last week with popcorn bag i got popped. Yeah well it's a good feeling being in a movie theater so wouldn't win. Is it being released july. Did we still i sixteenth. Yeah nice basically lock in session that we gotta do for space jam. Maybe we'll all go together. Make it onoda guys. Watch a movie together share popcorn and then just jump on jump on the stream here and break it all down in a film session right. Why not for sure. I'm wearing my lebron jersey to the theater. I don't know if you want to sit beside me. 'cause i'm going shirtless underneath but movie theaters. Cold man they are down here. I find them. I bring a sweater to movie theaters. You're get so cool. I hate that feeling all right. Let's against shirt devon booker smooth move. He got lebrons last game worn jersey after the sun's only that the lakers he's got that number twenty three. That's pretty cool. Another question i would have is. Where is that number twenty. Three anthony davis lakers jersey from the parking lot. Davis have does lebron habit. That's a special jersey to have as well and the last thing. I have a question on. Why was there a person outside of the movie theater with a bag of popcorn. I like it is straight up. I lied i lied. I saw people. I saw people outside and they were looking at a movie poster and they were going in but i wanted to create the just create the image. Is somebody looking at a poster with the bag is a part. I was excited about the. But yeah good call centers where you can bring your own food though. Is that still exist. You smuggle it somewhere. You're actually allowed to most people smuggle it in. Do you ever done that. Lee yes all the time. Because i hate it. When you got to buy the popcorn school they used to have small medium and live over over. Now it's just one size fits all and it's just too big so yeah we cook it at time and i just smuggled it in hour. It's like not yet come on man cub. It's crazy leaving theater with because it's like i say it's so salty as well so over the top with assault and the other they put on. We just do it at home. It's a bit better then. Just take your kids aren't because it's so addictive you cannot actually stop eating until going and you like my keating that much popcorn so so you're hoping your own bag in the microwave. Well yeah we put it in the saucepan. We have the the seats. Bernal's yes okay. Then you're putting it in a ziplock bag or something and then yeah some sort of something that you can sort of not not going to be detected your stuff in your cargo shorts. I'ma number one. It's not hot that it stays sort of you know because you just before you go. Thanks go there. And it's like sixteen bucks a bucket and it's not like a horse. We dislike him. Yeah they've got to. They've got two sizes they've they've got conventional bag the ideally atlantic station. They own smaller container by the popcorn. Or some in. Give it to your son or yourself well. The other thing is heard as well that popcorn. They don't empty at the end of the day. So it's that's just straight back you. I still popcorn. Don't shame me with that but you're right. I worked at a jumbo video where they popcorns that you could eat while you walked around and even decided on the movie end of the we were thrown out the popcorn through it into a big tupperware next morning. Fire machine make a new batch and then throw the old stuff in and mix it around. None the wiser. Hey listen i'm just saying just around this for the movie theaters. Just give us the size again. Gives me when i say small small to be. What three colonel. sirs that. When i want one small to be what any normal person would say that's not small. That's extra large by by. Its size. Because i have sold a medium and then lodge like that dislike. No just a couple. That's all you need. This turner used to get the popcorn. Put one of those red cups. That was enough. You don't need more than that. But how would you like to be charged for that. Is the portola adult. Why don't you get in line and you by by the size and you say the people behind you. Yes you want to split this. Because there's there's way too much popcorn and year but popcorn middleman. That's god some people that i just like the light right. I meant that the at the movie cinema. I get my big jug of water or coke. Big block it popcorn and this is what it is and it's like you don't need all that because obviously the the popcorn the the drink needs to beijing popcorn the bigger the drink the bigger the past year -actly and that's the thing it takes forty five minutes of the movie that we complain about. Nba games not starting on time. You go to a one. He's losing session on before to fifteen. I'll go crazy. Because i went and took my son to one of the star wars ones and we would like forty minutes. He was like all right. I'm donna i didn't even really joy i said i know because it's all commercials. It's all ads so far. Apart you order the biggest pop can and try to finish before the movie starts what is like me. Just sit down and look down. Suddenly three quarters of your popcorn gone. And you're getting a preview for fast nine. Come on a quarter of. That's probably you'll be to. I can imagine in the to save some for the climax geared colonel here a saying it's like it's like when you go to the basketball game and it's like ten bucks or be i think if you make it five bucks more likely to buy four years than if it's ten bucks to buy two. I just think it's like they've gone from the old light. We've got a gadget customer for maximum every time rather than like make it a bit cheaper people who locking inclined to buy more. That's my that's not behind. I gotta disagree with you on the on the sizes though there are two sizes. I'm sorry i'm sorry to disagree with you here. This free small popcorn from regal. See lafayette alantic stations. And then there's a bucket. Then there's a bucket. Yeah that that to me. I can't tell you. The last time might have been when we saw the martian meets at the last movie sign of martian. It might have been what it was. I know what it was. It was the one with gaga Bradley cooper what was that the born. Yeah that was the last one. I saw shepherd on your whole mood. At least i'm going to go back to atlantic station and just verify that they do have to sizes and make sure they are actually different. It's not just a bucket and it's the same actual volume in their of popcorn. So yeah best thing i ever snuck into. A movie was a star wars as well and built my pocket up with wings from buffalo wild for like an eleven thirty showing man pocket wings. Good stuff you know what. I asked this question. We're ten minutes into this. Old man yells at clouds. i mean movie theaters. I was thinking. Yeah of course people smuggle food into the movie theater but it's usually other food not popcorn a problem with the signs of it that they sell their. Wow well let's let's take one more break. Hey here's a couple of things you could smuggle into a movie theater magical bloom and gympie task. I know you're coming into a bit of money here pretty soon. 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The Great Jokic, a Total Clipocalypse, Panic Trades, and Kemba Search Parties with Ryen Russillo

The Bill Simmons Podcast

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The Great Jokic, a Total Clipocalypse, Panic Trades, and Kemba Search Parties with Ryen Russillo

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We're GONNA get to that in a second, but I want to start on a positive note. Nicola Yokich. We haven't added impactful center. In almost twenty years I would say since two thousand and two shack. the of his three finals, MVP seasons when he could still reach deep down and just destroy a team. And since we've had Dwight Howard Embiid, we've had cups of coffees with guys we deep down we knew they weren't great. And other Yokich, has a chance to be the first impactful guy. We've had in twenty years before tonight's game. twenty-seven Playoff Games twenty six, twelve and seven fifty, one percent field feel like really nobody in the history of the League has done that for their whole career and then today even though Murray was the guy who's got all the points Yokich chat a triple double in the third quarter, he just completely discombobulated the clippers. And Yeah, the clippers fell short and we talk about all the terrible things they did in this series but the bottom line is they didn't know what to do with. Yokich. They didn't know how to defend them. They didn't have a plan for it and even in game seven is slipping away. They're doubling him there blitzing him it's like they had no idea who he was what was your reaction is you're watching this. We always talk about changing of coverages right and we do it and we talk about football all the time, and then we get really excited about it with Toronto and Nick. Nurse. And then some of the stuff were Spoelstra even downplayed in the Boston game where he's like, yeah, we had a few zone possessions but we like this stuff right? We like it. I think Jeff Van Gundy was incredibly van Gundy in the was very, very telling. And where he's like, yeah, they just keep doubling they just keep doubling. Okay. and. He's just throwing it to everybody. Now again, when you're saying you're doubling the greatest passing big man of all time, which is what van Gundy called him. Yeah and it was like it was Walton in the second quarter and then by the time they had that run again they're like, no, it's Yokich Yokich. It's not Walton anymore I mean that stepped. That's seriously like what kind of come up this series is for Yokich, his standing and and where he is in this game, and that's what happens plan, and that's why it's so fun but. There's part of me that goes you know eventually they did change it though they did change it where they put a big on him in the switch but you're selling out and you're trying to double, and by the way the clippers are up nine at one point here. Okay. They're up nine third quarter. Yeah and Paul George gets his third foul at five fifteen although it may be good on offense and not have a member come back and then Murray unleashes but then on some of these double actions were there's Times where I've watched Denver. Now, so closely over the years ago, I don't know is that too man thing really going to work well, when grant hits a couple threes and then Harris gets his first one and then millsaps hit that one at the top of the key when they doubled again, you're like, okay well, this is different. Now because a lot of games grants out there in a missing out rebound Harris can't shoot to save his life. I think there's probably a lot of people that forgot MILLSAP was on this team three times this year but this whole series man. I don't WanNa. Get far in the weeds where they but at least for religious at for game seven. I think it's almost having to credit yokich going. Well, look if this is what you're doing and you've given me all these options I've already figured them all out now because it's seven Games Zotov and I'm too good. That's the key point. Right? You're challenging somebody who already has the answers to the test You're saying like, Hey, here's another multiple choice test and he's like I have the answer key right here. What are you doing? Yeah it's a C. be the whatever you're doing I'm ready I already know how to handle this. He had thirteen assess he had. He had one catch in the paint where he was facing opposite to a guy at the elbow of the three and he got doubled fake pass to opposite corner and immediately turned around like Chris these guys all know where everybody's supposed to be position. That's why we need. To Balance, they'll point to him being like you're you're off your spot. He already knew that he wasn't passing the guy in the corner. It was passing it to somebody behind him exactly like you're saying because now he's so comfortable any seven feet getting double just looking over everybody. And if they do the double and then they back off it, he's smart enough to take time and get the little foul line jumper the runner or pretend he's going to have the foul line jumper and then hit somebody last-second he had thirteen assists. What's crazy about it is murray was six thirteen from three the rest of the team Seb for twenty four if they had hit more threes in this game. and. If they credited when you have, you know you'd think those couple times where a guy got fouled because Yokich got me up and didn't count as for him. He honestly could have had twenty plus assists in this game if there's to lay ups where the layup actually goes in when the guys getting fouled and then four the people who three or whatever he's up there I just thought he was so dominant and it's weird because Murray, had forty Murray finally showed up. You know in both had Utah. Massive massive. Away, his second quarter was knots. Guy That shouldn't. You'd think like. All right, Yokich. If Zubaydah gets about trouble, which is what happened to me in this game. Well, all right that's going to be trouble for the cookers. Seven guys to throw at him and he was torturing them and I've felt like the spirit of the clippers you can see it fading as that second half way, which is the same thing that happened on Sunday and game six, right? I know the whole, the whole point of the clippers this whole time as you go. Okay. Look at all these options that they have when it's right because when it's right, it looks pretty good. Yeah. When they're up three one, you're like, okay, this is what's supposed to happen and when they're up nineteen in game six, you're like, okay enough of this and then you go what the Hell is wrong with these guys you're like, okay well. Now whatever human nature there is which I don't think we do enough of where I always say like you can't fake being desperate you can't be as desperate as the team down to now if they're terrible if we're talking like a nets or magic first round series here down to not going to help you if you're pretty good and Denver's pretty good. There's just a different gear that they're going to have. But then when it gets to game seven tonight bill and the Clippers get up almost ten and then they get up seven early in the third quarter you think they're playing well though because I didn't. That great I didn't think they're playing well, but I thought whenever they attacked in swung it. Denver's actually pretty bad on the rotations and you'd have to believe me even van guns pointing out he's like look he started talking about that pistol screen they were sending yet, and again, van Gundy's is better than everybody else that does it I don't think there's another color commentary person nationally basketball with start pointing out the pistol screen problems like and he had it immediately. It was like two plays they ran at a new the action and he was like this is why it's messed up and Denver's missing some other defensive rotations van Gundy's even pointing out and I'm going okay. You know like the normal thing is going to happen here because by and yet then it gets back to something that we've talked about where feels like we've had all these negative storylines with these teams because it's been so unproven, it's why did the clippers? Why do they think? So highly of themselves Kawai went did that in Toronto last year? Why did out any of you guys? The rest of you guys haven't done anything. So why do you guys carry yourself like this team? That's like in year three after back to back titles, and that's kind of carried himself with this group that never really clicked yet at the same time I'm like, okay. How the hell they? Ever, get up three one. How do they get up nineteen a game six? How does that team just look fucking petrified in the fourth quarter of a game seven those are grown men that were scared to be playing basketball and I give quiet pass because I think he was trying to press the issue and jazz working like he had an awful game but other guys were scared bill. Yeah I agree with that. But I do think you know game seven on the first half none of the Denver guys get hit a three and it had all the makings is like Oh man this is just going to have to be Murray and Yokich. And and they those two guys together. kind of kept them hanging around until Denver started making some plays but they were playing defense though and I think anything back to that Jeremy Grand Trade row case he's like, Hey, we feel like saving money any interest Jeremy Grant, Denver's like shore I thought he did a good job on choline. I don't I don't know why I am not going to say he you know. I'm like you I hate using the word choke. I thought he looked tired and this is something we had talked about heading into these playoffs where it's like the every other day every other day every other day. Was GonNA favor younger teams was that going to hurt older guys was that can hurt somebody like Hawaii who's really been careful about how much mileage he wanted to put on himself the last couple of years now look at who we have in the final four we have this young Celtics team. We have a Miami team that has a couple of guys but for the most part, younger guys like Bam and in hero and people like that, and then this Denver team built around two young guys. Then the Lakers who haven't really been tested yet but I do wonder like if you had home court. And and the the schedule wasn't as kind of stacked as it was with this has been the same result will never know but I think we have to mention it. Well it certainly with Denver because when you look at their runs at they'll have and then you'll kind of more. So two years ago than than this year but you'd be like, wait a minute what's what's on the road that was like more two years ago and talked about this team. Even, this year with Philly like wait this healthy team I'm supposed to take seriously and you suck on the road and then you know everything happened. So home and road doesn't really matter but I think. As, much as I do want to get back to the clippers thing and I do want her to get back to co why I almost same saved because I that in the next segment I I, want it now gates and why they won I. Yeah. No, that's what I'm doing. Well, yeah. I to give you more room here to just talk about your kitchen. What is now like this is the fun part. This is the great part about the playoffs. You have these kinds of performances, and now we have to look at you a lot differently now even though the numbers might be the same even though look playoff. Regular season numbers he's blowing up, but just to control the game the way he did in shoot at great tonight he's also in that group of like how come you don't shoot a little bit more but he's so patient. He's dissecting every single thing and once he gets rolling and as we said at the very top once he understands everything that you want to do it's. It's like magic, Johnson types of what about when he takes the rebound and he goes and he's running three and too fast breaks and that's why when you're talking I was lucky enough to see Walton at his peak and then when he was on the Celtics when he was little, not peak never saw what. But still like an incredible bench player ever saw Simona saw. Like Greenie Youtube FM stuff like that, and then Yokich, and those are the three great passing centers of all time. I do feel like it's funny that Jackson mentioned wilt Chamberlain is a great passer which is just you know he was forcing he wanted to win the assists title that one year and really like was assist assist assist contract when Rondo chasing assists on the Here's the guy everybody said was a great passer back then was Russell. Becau- in Russell's like never mentioned any of these. But if you go back like Russell averaged over five assists at least one of those play offs and was a great outlet, pass his outlet passing alone on those old clips is unbelievable outlet pastor, and then also they used to put them kind of like Denver uses Yokich at the top of the key and they would run all these little zigzags and he would hit people and throw. So for whatever reason here's the mentioned. Yokich. I. Think the difference with him and these other guys is his ability to off the dribble to create plays. We've never seen centers do that before it's kind of. I've never seen by lake him. Walton's Walton was not like him while it was a great passer, but they were not a lake as players at all and when the Yokich thing I just happened to you go. Like who is this guy and he looks like and a lot of people are GonNa get this reference but you ever remember being a little kid and like maybe it was you and your body's you're on little league baseball team, select the popular kids and recess. There was that kid who had like hand-me-down winter coat and he always had burgers in his nose. And he was like bigger than everybody else and don't really talked to him in his face was always like read and weird, and then like one of the cool kids like said, something to start making fun of him, and then he just went berserk remote on you and beat you and all your friends up in the S. that's what Yokich looks like like. When I see him he's got like these weird like jogging things. He'll. He'll I kind kinda do this odd apology to Aref with his hands his mouth he'll be like. Oh and then he's just chilling everybody and he wouldn't pass by right? Yeah. He wouldn't pass my test like if brought an alien basketball game, do you think the best players they would not pick Yokich huguenots? Thirtieth pick he's like an extra large shamet face. Well. So I did some research 'cause he's you know he's over twenty, five, ten, and five again. In the in the playoffs this year. So heading into this game. He was twenty, six, ten and five and a half but now he had like so he's probably like twenty six eleven and five. NASA. But that here, all the players who were twenty, five, ten in five. which shooting fifty percent field goal Yokich data twice Tim Duncan. Larry Bird Eighty four chamberlain and sixty seven Blake Griffin in two thousand fifteen under a playoffs Barkley and eighty six December. Twelve Games there will chamberlain sixty eight Magic Eighty Bill Walton and seventy seven Lucas seventy to those are other guys, sixteen games or more. All of those guys are hall of famers except wake. and. At least four went to. Those guys are top ten all time guys. This is not something over the course of a playoffs. You're not supposed to be twenty, five, ten in five. He's twenty, five, twelve, and seven. And I know the stats are a little messed up because the way bask was being played out but it's not like he's shooting threes. It sounds like he's assisting like this is all flow the game shit and he's just dominant. Sixteen. Thirteen twenty two, four, twenty, two books. And he only took six free throws I. mean he was he was five or thirteen. He missed every three that he took tonight. So if you just looked at this, this is one of those basketball reference games. You'd be like Oh that was a weird game like, but he wasn't doing much and you know he was he was GonNa do now I can't say he was doing everything discredit how incredible Murray was already. It just kind of changed everything but I still kept waiting for that clippers comeback and kept waiting for it to happen but. This is like I don't know what's going to happen next. I'm probably GONNA, pick the Lakers but. I now look at it. Yokich Murray is different and this isn't this becomes this battle of like Oh, these guys have always been this will not really not really and now they just did it again they came back from three one again and when they were down three one time like odd man this Denver team like, why does why do people on TV say like Oh look out there like this sneaky team that could come out of the West and now it's real and now it's a real possibility. So yeah, like now I look at the Denver Nuggets differently because now they've done something and what they did against this clippers team. I still can't like I'm sitting here in disbelief that this actually just happened. Well, let's talk about a key component. Continuity. And we're in this league now where everybody just changes teams constantly changes players constantly and the stars switch teams and all this stuff and the clippers are great example that right these guys were thrown together they played two thirds of a season. We never were hundred percent comfortable with where they were as a possible contender pandemic captains go back in the bubble and same thing on off switch. They look great one game ease up the next game whatever's going on Denver's at team. That's kind of grown up together here. You know they added grants a new piece porter's relatively new even though he trained with them last year but the Yokich Murray Harris Mill Sap. Guys more for awhile recruits been there for bill. Yeah and I, I, think this really helped the Celtics in that raptor series too where you had. You had smart and Jalen and Tatum, and those guys have been in wars down together for three straight years. Jalen smarter play together for years I do think the continuity helps and when you really notice it is when things are going south. And like this clippers team in game six and game seven, where all the sudden, they look a pickup basketball team. They don't have the history and eight. The first time I really noticed there says a phenomenon was the OH eight Celtics 'cause the celtics were awesome they when they were, what were they like sixty, six and sixteen, Sixty, five, and seventy in the regular season in the playoffs came around and Atlanta was going at them and it was like they just cut nudity in cohesiveness. Hadn't built it. They had employed with each other enough and they barely got Bhai Atlanta they they blow mount game seven same thing in the Cleveland series took them forever. They finally finished them off seven in kind of built that newt is the playoffs went along and then it kind of clicked in the Detroit series then took off I. Don't think this team had a chance to do that and I don't really know what their identity was because. I think to the bitter end. They didn't know who their best five guys were at the same time. They're still playing Lou Williams in this game, they're gonNA end the ship with them. Lou Williams shouldn't be playing at all in this series the defensive stats on him worse than the Herald stats they couldn't Denver was hunting him way worse than Toronto a Kemba in this series and they need his offense but doctors was like, Oh this is these are my guys will figure it out and then all of a sudden the game's over. It was just it was hard to bet against it though even though that was something that was happening the whole time, right because we're watching them, we're going what are they gonNA play together I, remember going on cowherd and he was like I. Think this is great by design because the rest of the guys do to stop by design, they would have twenty games with these guys. They would love to have twenty games in a row with all of the players and figure out what's happening and. Then come back and MANTRAS isn't ready to go. Lou gets busted for going to magic city. Pat. Beverley in and out of the lineup the whole time, and it's really tough like they had a moment with Reggie Jackson were Reggie. Jackson. was playing some really good basketball forum and then you'd say you know what? I don't really want them out they're closing and then he had to go to him at some point and then shamet he turns his ankle but like I thought, oh? Hey Sham it's. Back. On the scene he hadn't been able to hit any shots in the plan whatsoever but like they didn't want to give up on them but the Yokich numbers against my treasurer terrible the second unit numbers were terrible and long stretches throughout this playoff season they tried to mix it up I think late with Paul George, getting in some more minutes with the second unit but really what it comes down to is like when you max out and everybody in the world wants Paul George like it look. People are going to listen to me thinking I'm giving quiet pass I'm gonNA save you the time I am he had a bad game for a guy that's at legend status. This isn't his tenth Harden Game Okay this is somebody who carried a franchise by himself and absolutely diced up the heat becoming a superstar. All right and so since he has those on his resume I'm GonNa look at him differently because I go you know what? He's forced the issue, but there's there's a bunch of those possessions. In the fourth quarter and I, knew it Marcus Morris who may have screwed the whole series up by pushing mill sap and mill zapping like look you want to be a fucking tough guy all the time and look Marcus Morris is tough player but he's not tough mentally and millsaps been around long enough and then MILLSAP has incredible run in that game that's that comeback and you're like, oh now. Look is all because of that. That'd be overstating a bit but Morris got the ball and he didn't want in the fourth quarter and then he gets stuck with it and he took a shot I still can't believe Moore's hit that corner three against Cleveland The Dallas series because I've seen that shot his whole career Reggie Jackson has a flailing attempt Jim Michael Green goes to throw it down to give. Him some momentum that things ends up punted half four then pull the same possession has the ball throws it out of bounds, Paul George dense the side of the backboard yet corner threes and you're just going you guys are all toast like your. It was just like you I don't like saying choking I don't like questioning the manhood of these guys because deep down like these guys have all had. To. Go through a lot but to have it be so obvious in front of your face in that fourth quarter, you're like nobody not one of you guys is comfortable right now I think Kawais discomfort was I can just drive in on a million people right now and throw it up at the hoop but you know nothing we're done like we're toast we were watching team walked to its own funeral We need a better word than choke. It's almost like GAC, but you know when you see it, do they look scared to you bill I thought they always say, Oh, they look a little tight I thought the whole team deer in the headlights once the nuggets through a couple haymakers and it was like nine points and every now it's like the clippers are GonNa have a run the nuggets to make a shot. And you just Kinda see it. It was that hot potato look and Morris was a good example like more got the ball couple times Morris big tough guy from philly wanted no part of it. Reggie. There he he was terrible and like the minute and a half, he played all these dudes I never just for the record I was always on the record. I, I never was a huge fan of the more assigning. I did like the moves omitted the deadline and I didn't think they address their biggest issue, which is like what happens if you're playing Yoka Jury Anthony Davis Playoff series what are you doing? Are you like there's a team really needs zoo bats that much. But I don't know. Things available at least Morrison some version of Mike he's not unplayable. But I I one of these when he got stuck taking that first shot that he took in the fourth quarter and I was like he doesn't want it, he doesn't want it and I don't know if everybody picks up on all that stuff because then you start looking for it and you go. Out. You'd have when you're up. But now now you don't even WanNa take you don't even want the ball in your hand with some teams are like that though some teams are great when they're thirteen, I thought Boston and Toronto series after the Miracle Shot Game for the whole team was tight. Did that mean they choked or that were they rattled from the game I don't know but you could see it. You could see collectively they they were not playing freely and I think one of the great things about this Denver team there. So tested now. With these comebacks, you know the first team ever to come back three, two, one, two, two series in a row, much less in the same playoffs and they just were never scared any point. I wrote them off after game one. Would they got killed in that game like an idiot I was like all right. They you know. This is a pretty limited team has two guys. They have too many holes benches of good enough clippers are going to kill him and they just kind of kept hanging around hanging around waiting for this cooperstown fold. We're GONNA take a break and I want to talk about some of the great collapses in the history of the NBA playoffs. Hey. What if a quarterback completed to five of his passes? Or Point Guard hit four to five shots behind the ARC and they just did this over and over again eighty percent of the time. Well. Now, when you're hiring, you can play at that level because four five employers who post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. 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But how some actresses just sometimes they end up on the wrong teams. So listen to that on the rewatch was we also have easy coming later this week I'm not on that one. So to re watchable this week. All right back to this podcast. So we're talking we use the word collapse for the playoffs and the there's two kinds right you'll see the stat about. Teams that blue three one leading a series stuff like that to me when you're talking about like really memorable collapses. It's gotta be the team was either better and they blew it. Or the team had the series by the balls and the series flipped and all the sudden they're standing there going what the fuck happened. So you go back to the sixties. The, sixty eight, six, six were the first team that blew a three one lead to the Celtics and Bill Russell. That was when everybody thought the Celtics were dead sixers had beaten them the year before. And then the celtics come comeback three, one, they win a game seven, sixty, nine Lakers that was the West Baylor Chamberlain team. Let the seltzer run an fumes they end up pulling game six out of their ass and then they win game seven. La, I think that was the collapse was game tonight one there was that last second thing which one is game six of that series. Yeah Sam Jones seventy, nine spurs. Shot Sam Jones. James hearted his spiritual MBA. Godfather George Gervin who is the James Harden before James Harden Spurs were up three one in seventy nine over the bullets and blow the last three games at Gervin disappears in the last couple minutes again seven. Eighty one sixers. Had a three one lead over the Celtics. Celtics came back. One of the great series of all time that to me wasn't I never felt like that was a collapse that was just like an incredible series but I, I never felt like the sixers choked you watch those games and it's like you know one of the great battles they was just that's one of the great series that's I would say what we're talking forty years now. He's never get so. I don't know you'd have to fill your boss and remember that series as well as you probably do but that's one of the all time that was one of the first ones growing up I was more aware a year after that being a little bit. But that series then going back and people kind of talking like the mythology of that eighty-one series was probably the first series I remember at least being aware of. Basketball and sports where it was like what happened against Philli that one just considered one of the all time greats in every game was one point, two points you go watch need to the eighty four Lakers really kick that Celtics series away the game to add the Henderson still against worthy game for had the comeback, the Mikhail clothesline all that stuff, and after that series, you know that started with the tragic Johnson and Magic Johnson. Yeah. Eighty, seven Pistons. The SAS steals the ball. They blow it they have the Celtics. That series is basically done. It's going back to Detroit. They had the lead bird sales the ball flips it they losing seven, your Guy Barkley and ninety five with the sons they blew the three one lead to the rockets. Blew. Holy to the raw rockets year before. So right or kills me and ninety five was just as bad. So that I don't need remind basically two years in a row where they folded when a matter two, thousand, fifteen clippers. Gets the rockets I went to that Game Two Thousand Sixteen Warriors. that. Was Actually One of the weird harden beginning of some of the anti heart and stuff when he got resigned the edged gave he. Had A towel over his head I was there two, thousand, sixteen words against Cleveland Lebron comes back two thousand nineteen rockets last year. Where they blow a series where out. They get the break of breaks and they stole lose and then this clippers team and I don't think I missed anything I think that's what about let's here Oklahoma City when when Golden State you play a game. Yeah. They. Do would you say that was a choke collapse or would you say that? Is Pulling. Sprinklers out. I guess that's a little both well, I would say it was a collapse if look different than Westbrook and other big spots, which was to say that it always looks bad for the most part. So the reason I, bring all of these up. 'cause they're all famous for whatever whatever reason. We've never seen a team roll over in a game seven like this. It was a rollover it was a submission. It was not only are we losing, but we've we're actually giving up and you're GonNa Watch us on live television as we throw shots against the backboard as we give up wide open threes as we do dumb coaching decisions that were just never going to change our strategy that's not working culminating in when. Stripped And I think they're they're nuggets of eighteen with two minutes left in kwaghe stripped and he just stops in ever in the clippers stops in the nuggets have a three auto fast-break and none of the clippers are even running back. That's never happened in one of these collapse series. I'm just telling you. We've never seen a team visibly rollover like that and they should be embarrassed. Okay. I'm not GonNa say that the play like that has never happened because you've seen. All Quarter how they how they rolled over has never has never really happened in one of these situations. I'm trying not to do the recent thing here but. That was so It was such A. Again I look I don't want to hear it start. But. I'm not in shock in shock from the very beginning that Denver came back three one again, Gates never happened before they did it again I said if you're that good like, how did you get down three one and how they get down sixteen in the nineteen and they still kept coming back and I think the Lakers have a little of this they did it with Houston they they were so. disrespectful of WHO Houston was that they were like. What like Houston, they would let Houston get back into some of those games. You'll never remember any of this stuff for sport but when you were watching it, it was like, holy, Shit rondos hitting threes. All right. Let's stop air. Like wait a minute, just went on a twenty five ron like what the hell are we doing and I think the clippers very guilty of that. The Difference Lakers aren't enough of this shit. WE'RE GONNA go ahead and win this game win the series and five, but it's probably Of least recent memory, I would say it's one of the more disgusting efforts I've seen from a basketball team. and. I don't know how you argue against that because it just was. For All the shit they talked about being e-e-e-e-no know. Who they were, what they were going to accomplish. The confidence and the swagger they had which they had rightfully because choas on team. But when push came to shove in game six and game seven. They completely disappeared second second-half in in like a really memorable borderline historic way. I cannot remember a team completely rolling over in two second-half like that. We're there are three two and a series to my knowledge. It's never happened in NBA series before by a good team, I'm sure it's happened by like the back Orlando those type of teams, but not by a team that was favored to win the title three weeks ago. I'm with, you mean I can't I can't believe it. I mean look at Golden State three lead first of all Kyri, and Lebron turned into like all world players three games, and it was still a possession game and Draymond game right in my mid game five games. Cleveland was amazing and game seven was a dogfight at least they fought the whole game though, yeah that's totally different. That's totally I'm just thinking because I know what's going to happen is there's GonNa be some game that we're not thinking of because it's Just hard to keep track of I duNno single game boy that was as I'm sitting. I. Rewind plays and go. Oh my God. Like this guy doesn't want anything to do with this like he's looking like there was one play in particular were I forget who it wasn't the right side but they were going to like set up the action on his side and he just went no no and started pointing frantically to start the action on the other side and the guy was like this isn't what the play is. going. So now I'm supposed to cut with no screen to the ball. Okay cool. Now, I have the ball like what the hell am I supposed to do and it's It was weird. It was weird to watch team completely unraveled like that and it wasn't like it was. Like our waiting I don't know why you think you think they were just waiting for. Kaleida Hawaiian. He was just having a bad game and he looked tired to me and I mean I'm not GonNa make excuses for quiet that everybody else I'm just saying like. Built up playoff resume. That's almost unassailable and he just looked like to step slow. We think about two weeks ago we were talking about how he seemed like he was at the peak of his powers. Guys up the dribble today defensively there was there was some slippage with Kawhi, and that's what some of the defensive assignments there and there's there's some other stuff. If you looked at some of the Dallas numbers in that series, you could make the argument that he actually wasn't this great defensive stop stopper but I also think dodge has a lot to do with that too or if Don's is just get you even he goes India it doesn't matter who the hell you are just going to be bigger and finish over you but. I I had to, I'd have to look at it again but I thought there were two structures in the fourth quarter where he looked like okay. Fine like I. Guess it's up to me and then he missed every shot to right and then once he missed every shot then it's like Holy Shit. It's like the toughest guy in your group getting beat up I as you're running across a field to fight like the rival town and you're like Danny just got knocked out. Paul Georgia's really bad. He's terribly bad in another big elimination game. Paul George was absolutely terrible and that's why calm thirty thirteen thirteen points would have been an improvement from what he did tonight at ten and get to ten. He got the ten I was hoping he was gonna hit that last three so it actually would be thirteen. Thirteenth theory but let's look at shooting number series. I, gotTa be honest. I. I was not surprised by the results of this game. I'm surprised nuggets one by fifteen. But when I was line Friday the nuggets were plus seven and a half the nuggets were plus to ninety to win the game. I was alarmed by what I watched in game six. I really was I was alarmed because. I thought they were real fundamental issues. It wasn't just like, oh, that was an off game they just fell asleep at the switch. It was like no they have real matchup issues and their coach doesn't seem to realize them and you know we have to mention the Doc rivers piece of this. He he's now presided over. I think more of these than probably any coast. Now He's been coaching for a Lotta. Years. He's been coaching from US two decades but he's just been on the rock side history and a lot of these. These blown three to leads three times two, thousand, ten, two, thousand, twelve, two, thousand, fifteen, he lost game seven at home in Oh, five and nine. He lost the game seven do Utah to thousand seventeen, and then he blew a three one. in this series and I don't know whether it's an adjustment thing whether it's bad luck whether he had the wrong guys on his team but but I do wonder does he survive this? WHO's the fall guy. Do. The clippers is run this back. Finish the line here for Paul George Four Sixteen to eleven for three one free throw attempt four boards. Two assists in thirty eight minutes. So the one though the one free throw attempt is is he should be thinking about that all offseason that's embarrassing. Go to get to the basket they orange house moments put Yokich avow trouble. Here's a moments where he's like early. Seth Curry. With more rebounds. Yeah now, I, think seth actually get to the hoop so I'm not turning this like a massive. Sorry, Seth Very Yeah. I'm Seth Curry. Fuck I would go to the basket. The dock thing I don't know what happened. I. Don't know what happens because we all know why doc I think he's a really good coach I think he's really coach for stars. To but you're right the resume has some dings on it and when your favorite and you to this nuggets team after you're up three one like I, I'm not GonNa sit here and tell you like no way you're seeing. All wrong. He's like leave his eleven million a year I was looking through the extension was the extension was like a year ago. So you got to think he's probably got like two more years on this deed had an idea. Trade him. He's been traded before he has. Philadelphia Seventy sixers need a coach. Just. For Who I don't get a future I forum. Promote Lou. Okay. But can I ask you a question? Maybe like us? No. Good but this is GimMe a little little like I. Know I can go too long but Gimme Gimme a little bit of time to explain this. There's a reason why the same time as we were talking to a couple of weeks ago about Anthony Davis in that I in a million years I would not bet money on Anthony Davis signing somewhere else because I don't think Anthony. Impressionable personality and I don't think you blast your way out of New Orleans with clutch, packing your bags for you and then say to clutch. Hey, you know what you say they were to lose the Denver. Nuggets. Davis doesn't get enough shots. He starts get beat up and he says, you know what? I don't like this. Let me experiment here. Let me see if I wanna go I actually want my own team. Now Okay I don't think any of that stuff would happen but the reason why teams prepare for that and workout clutch clients or do things to always be as if they are like, Hey, we always have your back to the agency because that's part of the for an office job is because the unexpected always happens in this league and the unexpected could be not only the dock part but like what Paul George Goes. I kind of like I'm not really feeling this quiet looks around and goes not one of these guys are like Patrick Beverley I can't sit there and say that that guys on a tough guy because he at least played tough but what do I looked around and said, I'm not really feeling this right now it's not like he hasn't blasted his way on to other places now again, Toronto, we just left because he could leave but San Antonio was out of there what factor is Doc In that decision because did they go there because they love the duct takes care of their guys and doc absolutely takes care of his stars that is like doc one on one as a coach. So all of these things I think are valid points to bring up in how weird could this off season actually get with the clippers after what we just saw but as my default normally is with this, is they usually just run the ship considering this was year one of this group. Is there fog I or do you fall into the habit of as? You know what? It our first year together we were all in a bubble. The BARTOK's really hard on all of us magic city. We laid out here for homecourt advantage and then we didn't have it. And we still feel like you know year to another piece we want to bring this back with that said, if philly calls and says, we'll give you embiid for Paul George. Doc Rivers. What is bomber do? You life that led. The first ever to players at a coach trade. Not even. Drinking, are we supposed to be drinking on this podcast and I? Had A beer. Beer. We. Should we've never done that in the pot thirty eight minutes in Track White Clause I would it be for Paul George Doc Take us all cut check I'll tell you. With the rumor mills at all the different stuff going on I still think embiid and Simmons get a chance next year with everybody there but I don't know that Simmons is going to Kreider tears. About it. Yeah. All Georgia's as bad as he was tonight, he's if he's a free agent, this series of Max Player yesterday, he's a Max player again yesterday but. That's why I get. So frustrated arguing about some of these guys and I think people's Kinda give up as I go look I. Don't I don't just randomly watch a player one day and say, Hey, that guy stinks it's usually after a few years in these elimination Games George Elimination Gates hardened but at the same time like with quiet daddy was I'm not going to sit there and say okay all right. So I've got I've got Lebron. GonNa knock him down a few pegs. All right right now top three players league are Lebron Butler and tyler hero, and then I now have quite fourth. But some, but something did import something did happen tonight though. Kobe lost his title. He didn't lose his NBA title. He lost the title as if you could have a playoff guy for one series, who would it be and mine was Hawaiian tonight. So now it's Lebron again. Retire narrow. It may be tyler hero. You. Saw Him again today the guys just. He's got. He's got buffalo balls man he's he's upset like he told a couple buddies on a thirties I can't believe and get one. MVP vote. He's like second team all rookie fuck this of it hits the Vegas the. Celtics are about to finish by today of behavior here say no but I do think the. The co-run. which was really the best thing the clippers had going for them. This year is like what we have Qui-. In a series big game co as the guy well, he lost so. I'm wondering if it could be Yokich. Yokich could grab the title hair Yokich they played I went back for one playoff game come on. It's Lebron now if it's not quite after no I don't I don't like doing this game to gate that's no no, no no, it's bacon right now it's vacant titles whoever comes out of it this year has the title or They played the Lakers really well. They were they put him four times this year they they were Lakers one three, the four games but the nuggets killed them once, and then to that one game was not one of them was like a one point game. If you watched, it was like both teams kind of had trouble stopping the other I think they're supporting cast is better. And the Yokich thing like. All right. Great you have to play Dwight Howard Javale. McGee. More. Awesome. Yokich torch those guys. And then the Murray thing like who who's GonNa Guard Jamal bomber and the Lakers They'll figure it out. They'll figure that part of it who, who, do you trust Tuesday best offensive guard Pope Rousseau. I think there's some awesome Caruso numbers but pokes it in threes? You know you're going to go the pope pope was getting some of the defensive assignment there Well, this brings me to my next east of that collect question, right? This just fell. So perfectly for Lebron I think we said this the last time we talked about this stuff like gets the gets the beaten up Portland team in Ranan. Wait a minute though everybody was saying Oh this is bullshit they get the one seat and now Portland's back that team was affairs. Yeah. That's not what anybody was saying. Now that we know what happened. We like that was a good time to catch that. Tim. Second Round they get Houston Westbrook I am actually in the camp like it swung too far with people against Westbrook because recently he had covid we know in Kobe and he was hurt and he came back and I think he was even eighty percent and he I don't think he's as terrible as he was the Lakers like he was terrible is flat out terrible I don't think he's that bad of a basketball player but regardless I. In the game that he had thirty. He had thirty. He's so bad for and I was like this is so bad. That sounds like a Daryl Morey text you here's a question. You're a scholar though that was not a darrow boy text, but they had that Daniel House thing to, and now they're gonNA play clippers around three, and now it's the nuggets like this. I'm just saying like this is great for the Lakers Lakers would have signed up for this. The Lakers are going to be Houston no matter what Daniel House, important player of the rotation because he basically just eliminated thirty minutes out of that but I don't like the PG Tucker stuff towards the end and I love PJ Tucker but like he's looking around going. Are Are. You fucking kidding me like the hawks. Okay this sucks. I have a point and I'm going to ask you as a scholar of the game yet. has anyone ever lost in the playoffs healthy? 'cause nobody the rule is if you're the Marquis Guy, we just hear about how your hurt like a day or two later amid might even be like an hour later. Like do is GonNa. Hey you guys got us. We didn't play that. Well, congrats. There is no lag as he lay. You don't see at a sprained MC l. there was nothing that came out after that series though injury stuff. There's a there's an example I'm not gonNA say anything Nice about Toronto for a week. Is a rough any for them. Wait I have one more clippers thing for you. And you're right by the way about Toronto 'cause yeah. Nothing nothing came of it. Do you know this was the fiftieth clipper season? Yeah. I do I wrote it gentleman dating back to the braves and they showed that graphic and it's amazing. Were there like free? Franchises of the most years that make the conference finals like clippers forty, nine years, Charlotte thirty years, and then somebody else. Eighteen. Amazing this. We're now at how? Finals it's not even winning a title. It's you can't get to like two steps removed from winning the whole thing. You can't get out of the second round for fifty years. That's impossible. Do you know the Celtics have been in nine conference finals since two thousand and two? I had no idea. An additive in Philly. You wouldn't be like man remember that unbelievable twenty or south run. But my point is it's not that hard to make the conference finals. It's a little hard, but it's like Portland. Made it last year to not have it happened once in fifty years. It's incredible. But my point is it's not like it's not like impossible to make the conference finals for them never to do it. But then you think of all the great players that they've had are the great traffic's they've had. You know they've had just as decade had Chris Paul Blake Griffin quite letter that Paul George so. Like I, know a few cookers, fans and. There was already a little weird 'cause it was like, wow, the one year we have a real chance to win the title and none of the Games are going to be here and there on a fucking bubble in Orlando. But still this great, we have a chance, but it's a little weird but now it's like. Okay We're halfway through. Kuwiat Paul George. Before they can opt out in the suburbs two, thousand, twenty one. Now we're talking we've given away Shea to Salads Sander we gave away gallon areas expiring, and we gave away a hundred and thirty first round picks, and now it's all next year. Now it's two thousand and twenty, hundred bus in one one or both these dudes could could look at each other and be like I don't WanNa play with you anymore either and they're both gone and there's nothing left other than this giant arena they're building in Inglewood I mean it is a fucking disaster. We both know any office would do it all over again tomorrow to get those two guys but I mean I I really do think you have to in again I I know I agree I know that George would be maxed immediately but I wonder if any teams ever actually have these conversations you go. Hey, we could Max George would we not? would. We not the eighth game where you're like what the hell are you doing out there and the answer would still be that you would probably maxim but. I think it's all valid because it was that bad. It's not just disappointing. It's like horrifying where you go whoa like what how, what just happened to us with the other thing that was amazing about it. was these guys we thought like? Paul George and collided whether this is going to be unbelievable. This would be we. We wouldn't have seen this since pippen and Jordan were together as perimeter defenders lockdown everybody it's going to be ridiculous. I just didn't think Paul Georgia's defense was that good. I thought he had moments against Murray where he was incredible and he was locked in. It was not tonight. No I'm just saying he consistently wasn't at the level he was year ago I was watching I thought tatum. Today in that Miami game even though tatum apart offensively in the last five minutes and overtime I thought that was the best game I've ever seen him play defensively even that Butler three point play when Butler just threw it up and I thought tatum played really good day was arguable foul call. He was just he his hands were all over the place. His switches were perfect. He had he had either a couple steals are where he forced a studio because he was in the red spots and just was a dominant two way player for the first forty three minutes of that game for offense went away. And George had moments like that last Sharon Oklahoma City the first four months for he hurt his shoulder he was a dominant to a player was like, wow, this guy's one of the best five players in the league. We didn't see that this year and I know he had flashes but there are always just flashes. He had a weird slow start. Off of that horrible close to the playoff series two years ago with okay. See and he had like I remember watching I don't know the first week. Okay. See Games because I was. I. Was always watching him because I was like am I wrong about these guys? Is it going to click and he had kind of I mean I I don't know what the game log says now because in the moment. I game log is always is always a little dangerous, but I remember just going guy what the hell and then he goes on this tear where he ends up being like an MVP type player where humans Jalen, where you'll be watching the game in your forget he's out there for four minutes and I love Jalen but like Jalen today. Yeah. But no one's no one's talking about building a team around Jaylen Brown. And maybe we shouldn't be talking about Paul George we're GonNa take a break and I have one more thing to do on this. Everybody sees the bad and I'm Ryan Ruko play by play broadcaster for ESPN The yes. Network and we're both bald but only one of us has one young award. And only one of his shows to be. Hey thanks man I appreciate that but we both are co-host of what we feel is just the greatest pot out there are to see two now part of the ring podcast network see what people get when they come to our seat man just honest conversation and this is US talking and this is something that you know we started willing to be organic and we bring our friends on and have have great conversations. Yeah. Whether it's Aaron judge or Megan REPEA- no sue bird Kemba, Walker Max, Scherzer new episodes drop every Thursday so follow RTC to on spotify Taco Paul George really quickly. Is it conceivable they? They actually do think about moving him. because. We know there's no loyalty either way these days right the players don't have loaded the teams that's been established last five years and they shouldn't and the teams have never had loyalty that the players and it's like, Hey, we're building this whole thing. But maybe. Maybe they maybe if they make a move baby, it's that let me do some rapid fire once would you do Paul George for heart and right now if you're the clippers Oh Yeah. I think you still would. Would That would you do Paul George for Bradley, beal washed it. When do that? Because Georgia last year left on his deal? That's the problem is a year left in the deal with that might be why the clippers aren't looking for about Senate's. Phillies GonNa do that I think philly's afraid if they're gonNA split that up I think they'd be more afraid of embiid's long-term thing and they don't want to end up trading Simmons and then keeping embiid and if it bead who is track record of of staying, he's actually been healthier than I think I would have ever imagined maybe he doesn't get enough credit because he has the things here and there but I don't think it's obscene to suggest that. Everybody should be worried about him beads body's GonNa hold up because he needs to be getting thinner as he gets older, he needs to do the Dunkin thing and even though he's so young and Dunkin got in a lot later in his career yet I would like to see embiid closed. Some of these Games looks like he's a little bit more in shape until you see that from him although we get to hear about it all the time and then never actually happens I would think philly would be. You. Don't do you agree. I mean you wouldn't. You agree the phillies the probably a little bit more scared of like if we traded Simmons for somebody and we're having beaten them two years from now it's not any different healthwise like what's what are we have I'm on the record I would not trade Simmons. I think over and over again, we learned that it's just been so long since we just watch play Afghans. I judge all my dudes by. Who's going to be there and like that Friday night game seven. Marcus. SMART Goddamn frustrating. He takes even today they're up ten early in the first quarter is hitting shots, and then he literally has four straight possessions. Aurorae makes just the worst possible decision you're like God so frustrating but I fucking love that guy I rider with Marcus smart and in a game seven guest. So I wanted my team Marcus Gas who's not rolling over in that clippers game today Marcus smart. Guess would wouldn't have lost guess who have been on a team that lost by fifteen in a game seven when they were favored by seven points Parkersburg he just he would have gotten kicked out before he even witnessed it totally agree and I've not been the biggest market sky over the years especially when he's taking shots, you shooting like in the twenties from three. But now the shooting from three is definitely passable. They're still offensive decisions where I go come on man it's like how this early in the shot clock and you're in your next to tatum and Jalen Cambe he even had an ice. Oh, where he got Bam one on one and took a long to over him. Did you see Jalen go like Jalen was going up like this airball. Ramos at the RIM, and it goes in and Jalen rather WHOA Marcus smart. The play he made in the corner on the embiid pass where he was going opposite corner and he jumps out like defensive, back. into the flat like Marcus smart just does stuff that's different and in you know I've. Struggled the flopping with him drives me crazy because I just don't like it. No matter what you know who I'm rooting for. I just hate it because it's in the game, but you're right but I don't. Think. He's GonNa get. Would you trade Marcus Smart for Paul George? tradable. No from you now Marcus is going to retire a Celtic and he's going to take Maxwell's slows job and maxwell retires. He's going to be in my life for the rest of my life until I die I'm I'm signing up for it now. Sixteen Years South career immediately becomes either the radio guy or the TV guy, and then another forty years is that that's he's never leaving Boston. What can opened a bar called smarts and everybody called it's Matt's spy smarts I think that would work. Can I just review? All of the Denver Nuggets playoff islets. History of mankind. So two, thousand, nine. There to to against the Lakers in the Western finals than the Lakers win the last two. That was great. Are. You done nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty five made the western finals got killed by the Lakers. Nineteen, seventy eight. Now, a lot of people having a lot of nineteen seventy eight basketball conversations took took Seattle to six. And Seattle beat them in the seventy eight western finance. And then in the the last Aba finals ever they lost Dr J.. And the nets. In in one thousand nine, hundred, seventy kissel. Squad. In those are all your great Denver Nuggets. Playoff. Highlights stay have never made the NBA finals. Seventy eight was a really fun. What if year for the League because that's right as we're heading into the cocaine era and tape delays and people really turning on the League and they came very close to having David Thompson Dr J. in the nineteen. Seventy finals and Philly. Ended up falling apart washed and makes it. And then Denver Loses to Seattle but we identify Hanson that's the Seattle. Seattle bullets two straight years really hurt the league. Like you know there's no stars to like market. But if you had at Thompson in Irving anyway star-crossed franchise and this is about the best it's looked at me if you were doing. I'm starting a franchise with dot dot dot who do you pick? The. Yokich is no lower than third or fourth at this point right? Stock S Yokich might be the third pick. I don't know you do this sometimes now don't give me the you do this. Yeah. I am. Now you'll get us the third best player in the League and you're snowed team with them. I didn't say third best part in the League I'm saying I am starting my franchise that could have anybody who am I taking your taking tatum right now. I think its debate I don't know I. Don't know what the answer is but I think those are probably the next two picks after. Luca John S and I think it's tatum are Yokich for that. Three spot I mean Yokich is only twenty four years old. It feels like he's older than that but he's not tatum. He's two years older than tatum. Thought tatum was nineteen. Murray is twenty two years old. And it's fun this young I know we always talk about like Oh man what Very was a young like qualifier he was like young. Kentucky, right. So with that Kobe, was a rookie when he was seventeen, but we always talk about like these destinations different free agents and nobody ever mentions Denver and meanwhile that's probably the best situation right? Not only do you get to play an annual contender but you play with the team with the ball actually moves the guys like each other you could play with the guy who actually makes you better I Will Paul George Strait for you. Paul George Porzingas. I presume this is in no just because he's he's too big and it's too many leg injuries. His that a hard though you had a hard no, the other day and it became a headline in an aggregated. Yeah that was actually the one of the few times aggregated where you know I'll get something sent to be. You'll send me some article and I. Go what? Now? What happened this week and that one was like oh? Yeah. That's exactly what I said. That's accurate. was like a hard. Hard No It's just a hard though for you. And I like Brasilia's but he's he's a leg problem. So I'll. You know. If we ever get like of or one of these beer companies to sponsor. A beer for us I think hard. No locker would be a good way. Hard edges. We have a segment like Priscilla's hard. No the week where thorough traded you you just you're they dead hard though. That's a soft though it's a flower. Celtic, I want to know what your Celtic you would trade for Paul George I think I'm more fascinated by this. It's not tatum. Would you trade Jaylen Brown. For Paul, George? I don't want Paul George my life that way. What about Robert Williams have about all three of our picks. You hate the picks would you trade Romeo Langford for Paul George? Say This I like having the picks this year because I was looking at KSC's mock draft and now seems like everybody's just all over the map of this draft that Stanford Kid Casey had him like only twenty third Terry Yeah I like I made on that kid yeah and my Albert must tense the school really likes Stanford. Kid. The school really liked him in the more you wash them I mean some of the Steph curry stuff I mean it's kind of ridiculous when you do that but he was a young kid was taken big shots for that team. So like all right quickly on the before we move on from quits nuggets. Mike. Malone. Fired by the Kings. Yeah just pulled off to back to back three won. Upset victories. It was a weird firing what had happened but just like the fact that. The. Kings didn't even make the playoffs and somehow we're losers in multiple ways. Right? Look trade is the most iconic fuck up. non pick of the decade. You know they I mean will be making a documentary about how to Luca go to three nine even go to the team that actually had the third pick that'll be a documentary in like ten years and then Mike Malone who's the one good coach they probably had in the last fifteen years they got rid of him and I think they've had three coaches cents. Now had. I know I do I'm Gonna I'm GonNa get you right now to be totally transparent. I was very anti Mike. Malone. For a long time and had nothing to do with him. It had everything to do with every person that wrote for years that boogies boogie cousins career would have been different if it weren't for the fact that Mike Malone we're like, oh and I'd be like you think. So really you think cousins would have just a super team guide locked in boxed out and. Done all the stuff that you kind of need to do if you're GONNA be a winning team. You just think because everybody kept writing this excuse article. Everybody's exaggeration, but there are many people multiple people that we know that kept writing about. Well, he was because felt so betrayed. So I ended up going Mike Malone like give me a break here on this one and it wasn't fair to him. But whatever he did whatever his deal is with a young group to get them to keep buying in in his whole one game all the cliche stuff that. I don't like to give too much credit because all of us know what what you're supposed to say I can be the coach of an NBA team down three one and I would all my interviews would kick ass I would know exactly what to say but he got these guys to believe it and you got these guys to believe it when they're down seven at the start of the third quarter and. You know I think for anybody say tired Jamal Murray's planet minutes out there to you know and then yoke it. She was ready to throw back out there and then they had this nice run in the fourth quarter. Yokich is on the bench, chew in his face off, and then he throws it back in their later. So you know I think they're a little predictable with that too man stuff when it doesn't look right but then it looks amazing against Utah when Murray's not missing shots and then tonight once they look if Denver can ever have the consistent guy that that plays off of that too man game that's knocking down the shots there are a completely different team so. As, much as we're GONNA get on docks case for having team collapsed like this getting a team to believe that's pretty young. That's ever really done anything in the playoffs they probably should have. Been in the Western Conference finals last year I'm kind of surprised. They still lost that Portland game a year ago. I just that was one of those things kind of stuck with the little bit where I'm like how the hell they lose that game and they did their young but the biggest thing that fan fan now right I think Harris played the whole Utah Series it would've ended sooner and Harris had a really bad regular season and I think he's been really good in the in the playoff bubble like he played on. Good right away. I have a really good in this series played thirty seven minutes tonight it a couple of threes. He would they were plus twenty one when he played but his defense I thought was. REALLY MISSED THAT AGAINST UTAH and once. You know if you do that, you test series again where he can guard Mitchell a little more often i. that was one thing and then I do feel like they. Kind of went all in grant in this series because they had all these different dudes and was like sometimes this guy who plays sometimes this guy would play. And you know porter played fifteen minutes tonight which I think was smart. Yeah. Porter ninety part of this at all. Yeah. They went with plath guys millsap played thirty two. He's not you know he's certainly not all star Atlanta, Paul Bill Sap but. Knows where to go knows what to do he's tough. He's not going to back down and they basically wrote him and grant Yokich Murray Harris, and then you got a little out of the bachelor like Moore's Mitch I always like Moore's minutes. But, yeah, the poured. That's a good call because we hadn't really mentioned him at all because he has a huge three early in the series be part of the turnaround as well as he after he was catching all that shit and let's face it. I mean Blake Porter's not a popular guy although I did think it was interesting to young guy complaining about work wasn't supported more but he He he's hits that shot. He hits that shot and It was kind of funny I mean, it's just results based because it's like who are you to do that and you shouldn't do it publicly. But yet Puerto hit said shot Reggie Miller is like good for him high so he's thinking this is awesome and you know he he backed it up a little bit even though he said something that he should have said and then for him to not be a big part of this though was surprised because you're thinking if Denver is GonNa win a game seven, some third guy has to go off I. think that's the thing with Denver thing look at what the Lakers and Lakers are probably gonNA. Stick to a lot of the same rules. Hey, you got to beat us. I. Alright. Gary Harris we're GonNa Beach you going to beat us I bought but. I think Anthony. Davis is a completely different deal than zoo botch and a barrel closing defensively against Yokich the probably not asking Anthony Davis to chase him around from the tip all the way through but I would be shocked if Davis is not closing on Yokich. Might, cancel each other out and then it you know it. The problem for the nuggets is Lebron is so consistent, which is crazy but the many years he's been the league but. Fear seven game series at them. He's going to be there in a big way in probably four or five of those games with Murray. It's maybe to. Maybe were lower on like you know people talk enough about Lebron steadiness. But Hey Jackson me Lebron had some shooting games in that Houston series. Remember, that first half where he had like twenty something and he was hitting every he was doing that deal where he was like not just check but was like what can I What can I get to go in tonight? Yeah. Can I make this? Shit. I can all right. Let me I'm GonNa go to the left side and try this now. I almost think that gets lost a little bit. Did you see the clip of? Lebron blocked Westbrook. He had four like crazy video box westbrook. He clearly just kind of Westberg bothersome I think I think when you're Westbrook when the MVP. Lebron. Probably just kind of tucked away in his things to get pissed off about file and was really kind of taken it to whisper and then where they had that moment with Rondo and they're going back and forth and West executable better not double their down twenty nine in Quincy game. He's talking Shit and Lebron just laughing at them. Embarrassing that was a tough series for Westbrook by the way. The other part of that that series is that Rondo turned into like Klay, Thompson. Then you If you're the rockets you. All right. This is hard enough, and now you've played this game. Now you figured out that we don't really do a ton. A Hey. It's easier for you guys to figure this out and I still think Oklahoma City must go back and look at the tape those games ago. Why did we not attack? Prune guys guys more like what the Hell will be doing? Why are we? Why are we getting stuck all the time offensively and then when you saw Lebron, Lebron's different than Chris Paul and certainly shake you'll just Alexander but Rondo just killing you from three if you're the other staff, you just go oh so what are we out of here in three games to sucks? DEPA Georgia. Make a great rocket I. Don't know how we can make that happen. Let's eat. The salaries can work. I could see Paul George getting traded to the rockets and then he and hardened at the intro guaranteeing title. I'm proud of us for one thing we talked in the bubble about we weren't sure home court was gonNA matter. And we felt like with this every other day stuff might advantage the young teams. He's even to see when they showed Miami was a five seed in the celtics were a three seed and that was the first time. The top two seeds hadn't made the eastern finals since like nineteen, ninety nine or maybe it was even. I thought it was leave or eighty four whatever it wasn't I do think it's just weird. Two thousand twelve weird. Weird outcomes. Okay. See made the finals. We didn't expect that to happen. Boston. Philly. played in a round to you know we we didn't expect to see. Philly in the final eight And I think that the the possibility we have to consider it. Of a Denver Miami Heat finals. It it has to be considered an acknowledged. That just does Miami is a better team than Boston are out. That means they're gonNA win, but they are they have a better one through nine. I was really worried about this hour. We're GONNA talk about and second I could not believe Boston's favored of his stunned talk to sal about on Sunday night he thought I was reversed Jinxiang I was not but you know Denver could absolutely beat the Lakers I dunno, if I'll bet it. But. Katie. Wouldn't that be the perfect outcome in the bubble? Is a Denver Nuggets Miami Heat. Playoff. Series fourth-rounder. Brought up no because I was GonNa ask you some point? How weird is that GonNa be how is that GonNa feel and you can take more credit because you shouldn't give me a really any credit but this is something that I've just gone circles on the entire time where the bubbles hey, we're gonNA expect all these weird different things and we're weird outcomes Okay. Maybe but we could still have lakers. We didn't get Milwaukee but even though Milwaukee this incredible point differential when people were kind of off in Milwaukee and loving teams like boss was like well, Look Boston hasn't really played together a ton but I think Boston defensively when you look at what they did today against Miami and then what they did against Toronto I think they have a defensive geared really really special but if they were going to have to play against Anthony Davis in the finals like I'm sorry I'm just not picking the Celtics Against Anthony. Davis I'm just not going to because I've seen what a really good big can do against a ashore front line and so. I kind of still defer to like why would the bubble all of a sudden have outcomes were lesser teams where all of a sudden better in the better teams were lesser versions of ourselves but I think it speaks board of the individual teams where you and I for years. Now, I've had this thing about Milwaukee where we go what are they really as a playoff team the other thing you and I've talked about now for two years is the difference between regular season and postseason basketball if you're three point barrage machine. And you think that's just gonNA completely mimic itself plus get same outcome. I think we're learning more and more with this new version of basketball last few years that that's not really guarantee. It's actually more unlikely that you're just going to be able to duplicate your success with that kind of style. We just play five out and take a million threes. I mean, how many more teams we have to sort of disappointing. So is it the bubble or is it that an unproven Milwaukee came up short again? Is it the? Today, now, for thirty, five from three. Right like the bubble, the reason. Yeah. Granted the clippers would have had home court, but you know Denver. Even, the series at two two because they would have been playing up in Denver. and. If it's the bubble than than wire, the Lakers is rolling through everybody right now. So I don't know that we have the answer, but it's Denver Miami it's only going to be because of the bubble it'll only be unfair totally games, but that's the way it will be played up l. it was this really weird deal and that's the only reason we. Got It when it's like well, wait a minute. There was no golden state. Okay. There was no Chicago Bulls. There wasn't even a Lakers with Kobe or a celtics those three year run. There was nothing that was established enough this year as a group that should have scared us off that you know we may have had a very unlikely outcome in a normal circumstance. Every year is some sort of weird variable. This year is the bubble. And some things figured it out. Some teams didn't. And the teams that. I think Milwaukee is a team that really could've used a crowd. And that was why you play the whole season I think it would have helped them i. don't think I. Don't know if it would have been enough because I really do think Miami was just a worst case scenario team for them to play. And I think we would have had the same result maybe Miami wins and six and they get an awesome crowd and game six and whatever. But it definitely wasn't ideal for Miami. I think same thing with Denver in this laker series if. They're pointing the Lakers in the Western finals in Games three and four and Denver like that's it's hard to plan devotees have trouble there. They have a great home record about who's other team So the bubbles even some of that stuff out but what I like is. It it's it strips out all the shit and a lot of these games just come down to WHO has more people who are going to show up for a big moment. You know that Toronto was a great example Toronto respect for that team didn't even play that well. lowry was the only guy who really shot well out of their best three vanfleet was under forty percent for the series like. Was a disaster, but we was so mentally tough. They just would not go away. They're fucking Mike Myers we shot their head off to get rid of them. We should do a when it's all said and done or maybe you know up into the finals. If you have an off their however the schedule works out, but we should do like a reassessment list of the five to seven players it we may have to reassess. After these playoffs but then the excuse will always be the bubble get back to the bubble but PASCO SIAKA is one of the first guys I think because he was so bad in that Celtics series and I haven't heard of he's heard or not yet. But his story is incredible when you watch during college and you're like is kind of big athletic guy but he's he's super-quick twitchy a little robotic and but then stories. He gets the money he was on tear the beginning of this year. When you watch him, you can see that he is If he doesn't already know where his feet are going ahead of time. A lot of that stuff isn't natural, and once you figure that out with him as a defender, he'll turn into the wrong side of the defense like when he would go to post whatever whatever like the end of his his combination of moves that he was throwing at you he would actually turn into the worst option. Unless it were boom boom to dribble. Okay. I'm bigger and I'm more athletic. I'm GONNA FINISH THE CRM part of that series ended with that series going you know for all the stuff about Toronto and Oh they didn't get enough credit. They get enough credit like wake the fuck up you lost maybe the best player in the world it's not complicated. It's not personal they'll take personally you lost Kawhi Leonard that's why we're off you in by the way. Everybody was wrong including me about what they would be this year. But when it was all said and done and they lose seven of Boston, they weren't as good as Boston, I go I think they got the right amount respect. The people that mattered gave the right amount of respect for May second round to Boston wasn't a huge shock because they were struggling in those games and then you'd look up and be like it's a four point game again like. They were Michael Myers right. Thing Jaylen Brown just figured him out. Semi figured him out and yeah, and then it was like the whole team and then they're like this guy's which other things. Yeah. And then when he couldn't hit threes, he was in his own head and that was it but you know I think it's weird. It's weird for these guys and I get it. They've been there for over two months. Now, the running into guys they're playing against elevators an on campus and all these things. It's a different vibe and people handle that differently and further the the guys who like the younger guys like tatum and Jalen Brown those kind of guys like you can see tatum like loves this tatum today. I'm telling you those first three and a half quarters I was the that was some of the best basketball I've ever seen him play and he was really carrying himself like I'm ready to take over the league and then I think. All the energy who is exerting on the other end and chasing all their dudes and all the sudden all the shots for short lost his confidence and that's why he's not there yet but he's GonNa to get there. I really do think he has a chance to be like really truly a special forward you know and you think like the Great. Forwards. The last. Twenty five years durant. Hit a point and I don't know if he's going to be as good as durant. got to I think durant. As you know I think he's one of the fifteen best players ever he certainly where the greatest offensive players ever. but durant hit that point two, thousand eleven twelve, you mean my. It started with the Turkey world championships when you're like. Oh. So this is actually really going to happen now and then it Kinda, and then there is baby steps and it took us two thousand twelve and you could see the MVP coming and it feels like that's happening for Tatum in these playoffs where it's like if you told me tatum's GonNa win the MVP. Sunday. By Guy could see it hitting all the check marks. You would hit if that's going to be the logical ascent. To, where ends up? Like he said every checkpoint Afar is my point. Do, you want to do this game now because I feel like we have to do a full. I I don't know what order you WanNa going. Yeah. Let's let's do that a second before we do that guy's foot long season as at subway they make it easy to make a good call. On food. So here's a little segment. WE'RE GONNA call bad call good call. Russillo. We'll look at some of the good and bad plays. Let's go from tonight. Give me give me an example. Of, a bad call in one of the two games not referee call a bad call by a team or player that we saw tonight. So, not wraps. I didn't Celtics offense to close regulation and in overtime it was You know as much as we're going to give love to the big picture of tatum. I was incredibly frustrated that they looked like the twelve seed can't believe they're about to knock off the five seat in the NCAA tournament, and then they just freak out and take terrible shots to close the game and then lose. Great great example, bad call the clogged toilet call said the Celtics ran. Another bad call. We Kyle and I watch football on Sunday with my son and we got wasted. We got we got we got wings from a place. Wings kind of move close so far we should have gotten subway getting wings and I got the spicy hot wings and I was filling in for the next twenty four hours now exact grace decision this week Kyle, we're GONNA. Make a good call instead like a sweet young chicken Teriyaki Sandwich. Yeah. Another CAU- getting a free foot long when you buy two participating subway restaurants. So let's make good 'cause this week order pay contact three. In. The subway APP for quick and easy pick up or delivery on game day or any day it's foot long season at subway eat fresh. Freshly prepared in front of you by the way, those subway originated the take. Is a release. His takes hot takes a whole fresh take the subway hotline SEF subway fresh shake hotline. Yeah. Yeah. They Jeez of the take one of the great ad campaigns The clock towed at the Celtics Rent. This has had a couple of times in the playoffs. It has no happening and I start yelling at the TV because the whole reason they're beating Miami and game one and they should have won this game and it's probably going to come back to haunt them. WHAT'S SPANNIS? They're playing with pace they're using their athletes they're pushing the ball and they can they're not going slow. It's not turning into a slow half court game and then all of a sudden. They're forty feet from the basket with eight seconds left on the shot clock just kind of dribbling this way. It wasn't just the last minute. This is probably eight or nine plays and regulation. T words just like they're killing clock like like they have like an eight point lead they're running the four corners and I thought it was just bizarre and I thought it cost them the game. Yeah. There was one Campbell one in particular where he just dribbled it the whole time and then you're like look even if you get the angle but help guys gonNA be bigger than you and at that point with the help with how long you took to drive. Yeah. There's four somebody what's happening, right? Yeah. That's that's what I can't stand with some of these clocks where. You Go. All right. Fine. I get that I'm not even talk about the last second where I don't WanNa leave anything left on the clock you're talking to either still one forty left in your possession and the whole reason you like the Celtics team is they've got four guys that can make a basket and then when you decide, Hey I, want you guys to watch and. I think it happened more probably going back fifteen years. I don't know I can keep track of blitzing opposing pointers felt like that was defense is like first movement where they blitz, they bring the big they keep it with the point guard and that's why teams are always scared off a small point. Guards are still teams are scared off of it and also times were you blitz Campbell and he still good enough to get around you turn the corner, and now you're talking about four on three or maybe even five on three if he still has the ball and there's a couple of times, they swung it and they made some good decisions. But for as much as I love Tatum, he had going on in the Toronto thing a little bit in the final numbers are great. Maybe it's because we have such high expectations for tatum because everything you said about who could possibly be I'm with you I don't have a ceiling for him and it's it's so kindly now and some of the passing he's making in the defensive assignments were like, Brad. Actually likes him better than anybody else defensively when he has jalen and Marcus is guarded butts are on the big the big play the game I thought smart was going to guard and he picked them, but I can't help but think the Celtics. One game that could have gone either way. Miami's the better basketball team of the two but to just let. Yourselves take yourself out of your offense like that and not even ask Miami to defend anything. That's that's not what I expect from Brad. Stevens the Celtics and Tatum did it too many times to close the sky? We'll talk about Kim in a second the difference between the reason Miami won this game in Boston laws comes down to to place for me. TATUM at the deregulation. Playing for the last shot. And it was almost you could hear it was like he was channeling Kobe is very. Terrible Koby Hero ball possession that all you know it goes in once but they never show the youtube clip of the two thousand times when it didn't go in ends up with just a terrible step back he do. It wasn't going and when he shot it, 'cause he's running for the rebound. And it's just like dude. You're you're incredible athlete you can get to the basket anytime. You want get to the basket, try to draw foul, get some contact getting the air maybe we get offense rebound whatever go to the basket. So now we go into overtime. Butler same situation right? He's I think they're down one. Takes tatum off the dribble goes into him and he's just like you're I'm getting a foul. AM getting the ball's GonNa hit the Rim and I make it at three point play. But I'm deciding this myself. I'm not doing some garbage step back thing not that wouldn't tatum does it's garbage. It's just like I just want my guys going to the basket. So when he got blocked the end by Bam, which was incredible block one of the greatest. Of all time love that I'll defend that a hundred times out of one hundred with tatum. Should he have dunk I? Don't know. Could he have tried to finger or try to get things? You can get on tatum for it's not getting rejected by Bam know what I'm saying no, I'm I'm say could he try to bang? Get contact I. Don't know who cares you try to throw it down and made one of the greatest defensive plays I've ever seen in a playoff game. So I'm not I'll tell you this I been watching the Celtics for. How? Many I've never seen anybody block that tatum dunk have you. Set happened before he remembers almost Lebron Oh no, he did get Lebron eighteen memory got on an eighteen and Lebron got the laugh about it because they WANNA game seven. So it didn't really matter So yeah, I don't I don't know that. Bam play I I don't feel like it is recently is to say it's one of the most amazing blocks I've ever seen a basketball game with everything. You have to your arms behind you as somebody dot com hawking at like the odds are. I think more likely. You separate your shoulder, 'cause your shoulders getting pulled backwards out of your body but somehow. He bought. The dribble into traffic one, eighty turnarounds where he goes off a one leg like what are you doing tatum are you trying to make this even harder and by the way you right the Butler drive 'cause he'd hit that three before when you probably at that point the Celtics were GonNa win the game and Butler been pretty quiet twelve points going into the fourth quarter. He hits that three in the corner and you're like, Oh, here we go Jimmy time because really I think the scary part for the Celtics term in this is that Even though we both have be Miami's better you go but they don't have the big as great as is they don't have the big to exploited. They don't have the good big because of bad big and that's why I think nick nurse struggled with how many sold minutes he wanted to play more because he was big because even though Baca was the better player he's like now I'm playing right into the Boston. Thing by being small with them and I'm not exaggerating their frontline. She played a Baltimore though well, yeah I would agree with that but I think I can understand what he was trying to do and we're Miami you'll go wait a minute. They can't really expect that part of it. But when when Butler hit that insane and one layup, there's also a play off to the side where dragon jogging and JAE crowder arguing about who's supposed to set the screen and Butler just says, fuck it I'm going. Like if you look back at that play butlers like whatever you guys like out of the way done and that's what I think. Every philly fan watches and Mrs, it's like you know what? Butler we've done it before we don't need to do it all again what's a standing as we update these things by the minute but to know that you have somebody after we just watch the clippers team where it looked like every single guy I was afraid for twelve minutes. Jimmy's just at least never going to be afraid even if he's not one of the top overall guys every single year and it was a little bit of like Tatum, the best player in this series tatum's going to be the best player in the series. This is GONNA be awesome. That's not the way it closed his tena made a million mistakes. Jimmy may two huge place. It's even worse than that you. I'm glad you compared the clippers to them. The heat have so many. Bad Mother fuckers. In this series Bam worrier. Drago not afraid of, anybody. Jae crowder. Johnson is first submachine gun at nine years old. crowder. crowder You know maybe could could dip into the Marcus Morris in this game tonight side but I think is more the guy that we saw today where you want him out there and crunch time he's GonNa Fight and he's GonNa make plays and then in front of the toughest assignment to crowds the goon yeah he was the one guarding Janas not Bam and he's in crowder's Ben in big games like they made the two thousand seventeen eastern finals at year when he got concussed by air and then hero is the least afraid of anybody in the League. At the fucking balls that he has. That three he took near the end deregulation was like it wasn't even a play was just like he was open for a split second fuck it and it was a huge three. If if you hit you what it was like a Marcus smart terrible three but it went in and I don't know this team has a lot of swagger to it I think it'd be really hard to beat I felt that would for the series. I think the fact that the Celtics over and over again in these games they they're up ten, they're up twelve, not just Miami, but the playoffs there up fifteen thirteen but they don't have a bench, and at some point, you have to play the starters two minutes. Or the bench is going to let up a little bit and all the sudden. It's a two point game. Again, you saw it again today and the other thing that the heat you know they made how many threes they were sixteen for thirty, six, forty, four percent. From three in this game. I wouldn't say they're red hot. That's kind of who they are. They're going to be between thirty, eight and forty four percent game to game. They're gonNA hit between fifteen and twenty three so they're never going to go away. You're not blowing them out. Now, and even when Boston got up, you know I don't know why. People. Watch games where a team goes up fifteen and the other team comes back. That's that's normal where they come back. So even when Boston was up early and Marcus smart like Marcus smart hitting shots earlier like, okay. This is weird because you know there's GonNa be some late one common like but he's GonNa take them and you have to you know. What you know when Marcus hits a few in first quarter, it's actually you get word. Is then Walter McCarty ling. Well that. Yeah. Oh, he's a now I got this guys. I'd rather he he missed early and then hit some late. Let me give you. Let me give you some more numbers on the threes dome. Sorry. But like Cambodia got his last five games, one, six, one, six, one, six, one, seven, one, nine when it's against Toronto were Toronto's entire defense was set up to screw you up and you're watching going like that was hard. It was really hard for comedy give free on that box of one against Toronto, it worked on stopping Kimba it's not worth to the point where you want enough games to win the series but then. You're looking at this Miami part of you're going. Okay. It isn't box like you have your free looks to come off that high screen dribble into your three. Kemba is not a catch and shoot three. I don't know what the numbers are just doesn't look comfortable at all. He's so much more comfortable dribbling into three point attempt. Those shots are their form again, and now this is five straight games. Guy Can't hit any shots and I think he's moving. All right. So I don't know what the deal is here. I'm on a lot of Kimba techs threads right now. House Dr Bill doing on it. He doesn't understand what happened to Kemba. It's there's three types of text reds one. Is He hurt. They're not telling us and it doesn't look like he's her. And then to it's like what the fuck happened the Kemba because this guy was awesome. Certain season like he you know He. Not. Only is like a forty plus three point shooter. But. You know he could beat people off the dribble and he has like these three spots a little like Chris Paul is like his little spot on the right free throw line. He's got his little pretend driving that does the step back twelve footer, and then he's got like a toy. So he has his shot said he just consistently hits never really seen. Miss them consistently, and now none of them are going in and. Trying to figure out what happened to this guy and I really think it's a simple zest. This is This is Dr Psychologists Bill Simmons Down, my dad myself my theory licensed. He hasn't been in a big game since March Badness Yukon nine years ago. And I think he wants the so badly. And this is an it's almost a I. wouldn't say it's like when you say somebody's choking. It's almost like he wants to march and he's thrown himself at his game because some of the stuff he's doing is is stuff that I've never seen him do before the path one time today he passed up an open three. So he could pass to Marcus smart for contested three and it's like you just never do that in January. You just take that every time and then some of the stuff when he's driving to the basket, it's like his hands off and it just seems like he's pressing me. I definitely think he's pressing. So I would say it's more that because I don't like when a guys out there running around for forty minutes. Ross was guys hurt because he has some injury history from before even though I think all of us think that watch it closely that there could be a lingering. There with Campbell but not enough to use it as an excuse that you can't hit a shot now for five straight games but his drives into traffic. Not Without much of a plan and you're always going to be the smallest guy there and you're not some high flying guys. But like the last five years, he's been thirty, eight, thirty, seven, thirty, nine percent from three. He's a really good three point shooter a guy that can really number-one option when he had no help like the numbers he was putting up with that Charlotte team where there's wasn't like there's another guy in owner wasn't like he was doing some absolutely gross shot attempt thing to get his numbers. These are really good players. So this is this is alarming that it's gone on for this long and I. He's. The last three, Games. He is thirteen for forty six. It's game stakes game seven game one today, and I liked some of the stuff they were doing late in the game they were just doing a to me a game with tatum and camera trying to figure out like, okay. Well, if we get to switch year that we like like, how do you WANNA attack it but then it's like, okay like at least with Yokich and Murray and the two man game even though it's predictable, there's different options off of it when it's right again, I'll. Admit. There's Times I didn't always like it with Kimba and tatum. It was just okay. We got a switch right who wants to do an Eyeso- I do oh all right. I'll get the next one. I couldn't believe I couldn't believe how bad it was at the end of that game but Miami was tougher. They were tougher than them at the end and by the way the game should even gone overtime. 'cause smart flops gets bullshit call before the inbound they take the free throw and it's Just. Such a horrible look. It's such a bad look in that spot because you go you only made the call because he fell down I'm going to ask people and I know softball stats holy cross to onto game sow. Shout to the whole. Worcester crew. But how many times did you fall down and pick up games two zero the answer's probably zero when everybody was pretty good like maybe somebody falls on a layup attempt maybe somebody could follow guys don't fall down this much normally in A. Basketball game everybody falls dead. The greatest athletes on the planet are falling down left and right, and it's like flopping isn't as bad in the game but some of the off the ball flopping that gets called now and I just don't understand like I think the league needs to really revamp this to actually make it harsher to go and lets you saw someone absolutely get crushed on something. Let's default to they probably flopped because most guys strong wouldn't be falling down for two and a half hours. Well. The Kemba today I actually liked a lot of the shots he got. Aren't away the end of the game, but it certainly had a lot more freedom than he did in the Toronto series and I also like the fact that defensively. They could hide them on a couple of different guys like there were times when he was just guarding crowder. Because if. Probably. Only three. Yeah. It's like if you're going to exploit if you'RE GONNA post come up with crowder like please go ahead knock yourself out that'd be great or Oregon said. Please post them up So I think, I. Think this is a better series for them. The dragons thing is a problem. Obviously I think those are the type of guards and I said this on Sunday night those type of guards that have just killed these celtics teams over the last couple years. It's a one type of guy that Marcus in greater gardening. I think they did a really nice job on butler. You know he hits at three in the corner that huge three hit I think. Either an OT regulation whatever. But that was regulation the one in the right corner he he was. Broken play no, and it was a broken play and he stepped up as the defense behind but he was a non factor this you right about drudge carried them when it was weird. They had an amazing second quarter and then hero hit that one big three. Drug it's early was I thought really important to kind of keep in a minute. But worries me the most is. I mean why they actually want to make her was pretty good today that would. Water make. Get. Yes, he was and they actually brought him in for defense at the end which I don't remember them going offense defense with Campbell Lake then began but they don't really they can't play Robin Williams against Olympic because all my is going to do is they're going to hunt him and sneak Olympic off and shoot threes, and then they'll have take Williams out grant lames is going to have to play, which means Miami's GonNa leave him open. Then other than that. It's owes lands of that. My point is everyone's like. Well, Hayward's coming back this series. Okay. Well, if were, let's say comes back for Game Two, he plays twenty minutes. We're not getting like Peak Gordon Hayward like we've seen him come back from Injuries Zoe's tentative. He's going to be rusty. Even if he plays out of it, that's not going to be game five game sex, and I just think the Seltzer in trouble because this team. The dirty secret of that Toronto Series was Toronto has very good. that. Go look at the stats. Go look at their shooting stuff like van, veen fleet in and. Even, lower didn't shoot that. Well, Baca was the only guy who really are shot well for them in that series it was just they were so tough and there were so well coached and they knew every trick in the book and they were drag that series two seven meanwhile Boston when six of the seven games basically. To work against us, Miami is really talented I think they're the most talented team left I would have said that before the clippers lost. I don't know that I can see most talented when I, still think like they're one two in the drop off from where the clippers were. In the Lakers, I mean that's that's what we are doing here. Top Tier Talent. They don't have one top ten guide they don't have one top ten guy the Lakers have to five I like their one through nine more than any other team including the clippers who are now got. Now. I know what the argument is because then you go one through nine, that's why I think the Lebron Promo it's like we're built different men were like Whoa. Yeah. Those right route three three would you rather have a great one two and then a bunch of rather have a great one and two you it Yeah I think history tells us. You'd rather have a great one and two. But the difference between Miami's DEP is it? They're going to be able to do different stuff. They just are I'm GonNa say this right now Qaeda Kyle get the record button ready. If. Miami plays this Lakers team Miami gets by Boston and the Lakers get Denver. I think it is a two, four, two, thousand, four finals scenario. In the making for upset. I. Think it's a terrible matchup for the Lakers. while. So you're talking Pistons figure out, and then every game you're expected to Lakers to figure it out. Yeah They got it, and then it's going to be like this clippers nuggets series the series is over. Yeah the difference is that Lakers won't be coming off of a bunch of titles in a row or they're sort of over it because they're not as hungry to good plan and that's also something that I think is kind of funny. You'd think of the irony of some of the discussions around. where it's like, what do we do with this guy? If he goes to three different franchises and wins the title like it's never been done this crazy. What do you do and my argument was impressive that is. The differences that the great players of all the other generations wouldn't have jumped to three teams in three years and put them in position. They would have won a title they would have stayed in a lot of these. I stayed for the prime of their careers and we have this odd. Deal here but Lebron is actually close to doing the thing. We were ready to start plotting Kawai for doing which we didn't really talk about. I thought on Sunday night I thought Miami should be favored in this series. And I thought they're going to win the series unless tatum went up level. So I still feel like that's in play and another that's kind of a cop out like we'll just picked the series. That's like that's my pick think Miami's going to win the series unless tatum. Vaults up a level little like durant in two, thousand twelve and that Spurs series in just everything that happened were durant went up a level, and then it was like this guy's the best part in the series they're going to win as what has tapped for Boston. There's a scenario where kemba shakes out of this slump and starts hitting shots again and may go back to being a twenty five points a game guy but I can't bank on it anymore we've he just hasn't been good. You know really in the bubble like that other than a couple of Philly Games and now I'm not counting anymore. NOPE, nope. Minds better basketball team, and if also has gotten this one, you know who knows it's still not impossible. The Miami thing that's like they roll through Milwaukee but I mean, it's still feels weird. If they'd played I think an eighty two game schedule and I threw that number out to they would have been a forty nine, one team I know. But the thing is the crowder iggy trade that changed their team I don't think. I. Don't think Iggy does much for at all. But I I just think it rounds them out and it gives them flexibility. They didn't have before and the hero just got better as the year went along was the other piece All right. Quickly a couple more things and then we'll go because I want to get this podcast up Most Fun D. Tony Team for you. Where do you want him to go? Okay. I'm well. We've heard the philly thing for a while. I really hope. So doesn't happen please now I don't I. Don't know that it makes a ton of sense for him because it's just not built that way unless it's a check unless he looks at it one more time and says, Hey, this is the check and I'm ready to go It's probably New Orleans yeah that's how I. Feel. This'll be the best thing happened Alonzo right here the car keys, Lonzo. I'm showing Steve Nash and And James. Harden videotapes all summer spread the floor for you do some Lonzo stuff now whether he's that type of player I don't know but he's just been great with point guards but he got Jeremy. Lin to look like an all star for. For weeks. So of Lonzo could be redeemed and KFC. Did a good job talking about this the other day and his podcast about With Lonzo went south it wasn't just a shooting. It was like this guy on the Lakers looked at Katie chance to be a semi special defensive player doesn't play defense anymore in New Orleans so. I don't know if Dantonio the one. WHO's GonNa be tapping into that but I? Would be really fun. The mourn thing is Lonzo look so bad on the restart. that. I WANNA forget it happened in give them a clean slate that he goes into a normal season looking like the player. That looked like he was gonna you know he's gone from who I kind of like this I like these inbetween things he does and nobody else understands he was really good defensively he's smart defensive player in the concepts and then you're like, Oh this guy is going to be a boss. He stinks he's He can't shoot. He's on you don't even guard him and then this year in the normal phase of of the season. There were really some good things to did they were watching if a shot was better he had to be somebody at least had a close out on respect enough and yet the defensive part of it. I mean God. It was so bad watch him come back I'm just GONNA pretend it didn't happen in do let clean slate Lonzo thing I think that's fair. Yeah I think the restart was too short. So let's see. Does. Lonzo sham face in your opinion. No because he went to, you can't have shamet facing Goto. Does Gary Harris F- sham face he went pretty high though. Check. Would you try? Here's the next thing for you. Would you trade? Drew Holiday for the number two pick injure wiggins and the Minnesota. Three protective pick next year. I got three more years a wiggins though, right? Yeah. You know I probably. Drew Holidays like thirty one now I probably. Would I think I would. And I think I would if I'm. GOLDEN STATE I could curry clay drew holiday draymond and free agent to ever. Jacob Evans. Yeah that one I mean wiggins immediately scares me off every time. I hear the name but I I kinda look maybe I'm insane person but. Do I Kinda WanNa hear. By the way Jacob Evans fishy Minnesota just want to double check that for the huge of Evans fans out there Am I nuts for wanting to kind of see what wiggins looks like with the rest of those guys. That would be where I landed as well. If I were them, I would trade back and try to get somebody to FA- dad like seventeen million dollar trade exception. I would trade back from two. Nine ten eleven range to some team that's hot to TROT FOR LIKE TO GET SOMEBODY SECOND And try to steal some like Jeremy Grant type whoever that version? Yeah, right. Yeah and you go back and you get like the eighth pack and you get that guy, he put them in the trade exception I think that's a better move. I would want the draft pick because of the the fixed costs and I like some of the guys in this draft. Yeah. That's where I think the New Orleans thing would be interesting because you could I'd have to look at their salary sheet i. Pulled up right now but with the two picks, Save you enough that if Zion stays healthy in your bill, you get a second reset with Zion to bring in somebody around him But also with golden state in how the salaries I mean, the four guys in salaries are so nuts. Yet, if you're moving wiggins out, you still are so high up salary. Wise. That'd be amazing to get a couple of picks just for that that cost effectiveness of it and you would figure you know at the very least you get a rotation guy but maybe not this year who knows. Now, net next thing for you. For data calls you. Or for TITA. For Tita yeah. Either one. Whatever however you pronounce his name he calls. His I. Is A hey. Just I'm just been calling around people I. Respect. I'm a huge fan of the podcast. What would you do if you were me? Would you run this back with this team? A different coach? Would you try to get a big? What would you do? I go. Hate is James WanNa play with Russ again or can you Trade Russ? And by the way trying to trust. Is, sitting at the worst possible like if you've been able to trade him, well, you didn't even want to trade him I. Think Hard Instill Likes Russ. I got know what what's important harden I go Kay the new coach comes in he doesn't want to let you dribble the ball between your legs for forty. fucking. percent, of the game. Do you do want doing that. That are you Do we need to do this another year to see that it doesn't work like what are you? What are you looking for James and I don't even know what kind of answer you get from James Hardy probably be like, oh Built, different of a problem I would I would blow this whole thing up I would. I can't imagine owning the team in having to watch this and then sign all the checks. So I would as talented as harden is I. I would not want to run now. I don't know if with his money situation everybody cups keeps writing about how he's not liquid and with everything going on all the hotels and all that kind of stuff does he need to just be competitive? So it could trick all rockets fans, and if they can like, Hey, man, you know who's been on fire. This February's harden and we went we went twelve and three in our last fifteen. I think we could really do it this year does that enough that you know and again who knows what normal is is that enough like what would you do? All right let's turn it around. He calls you what would you do? Hey, Bill I WANNA make you. GM, go. I think because you have no other choice. You talk yourself into how the team looked in February. In, what that could look like outside the bubble with fans and Was GonNA look. No. I'm not saying it's right but I think it's like a relationship where you break up with somebody and then you get back together them back. Maybe, she won't cheat on me with other guys again in new each talk yourself or whatever. You want I think maybe she only goes meth on the weekend. I think the reality of this team is that their window is two, thousand, eighteen in two, thousand eighteen, and then the other thing was they for eighteen they deserve a ton of credit came damn close. But the other thing I think that fucked was traded Chris Paul. Not Realizing that he was about to go to this plant based Diet that completely changed his career like go Google Chris. Paul Plant based. Diet. He. We he basically went a time machine back to two thousand, fourteen athletically, and that's why he looked so good this year he a chip on a shoulder to but I think they had known that was going to happen. The smarter move is just to keep Chris Paul and those two extra first round picks and the contract that ended entity year earlier than Russ. I. Think. Selling, selling high on. Chris. Paul because his career is about to go in the POO. Poo And they didn't realize that he was about to have this kind of rejuvenation Don't make it falls in her no postman her. Okay. So I'm not but Paul's argument was hey, I'm still beating guys off the dribble folks. Okay. Like all you to want me in a retirement home here I'm still taking people off the dribble. The problem is is harden doesn't move okay off the ball hard doesn't do anything and you can say that it spaces everything but like the defenders, no in big spots wants James's in the play he's not on the plane honor to pay attention to him. That was Paul's beef but I also think because Paul's like this this Hiaqiu basketball guy, he'd be. pissed at hard time and hardens like this is my team I'm sick of this shit, I get along with Russ better anyway and so hard and goes to management or excuse me goes to ownership and says I want to play with Russ so I think that's your biggest problem even if you wanna try the hard thing again, the guys incredibly productive we know this he's healthy he's going to hold up I think for a really long time but I'd WanNa know like, Hey, do you WanNa keep playing the style? Okay. You do will the russ part like I know those two months were incredible we open All up but like do we want to just be incredible in February or March we want to have a real shot at this because having real shot at this way we were constructed right now we'd probably don't have a great chance and that's the biggest like the Covington things great I love PJ Tucker Eric Gordon. You know look up and down. But for where he is on this team is the third sometimes fourth guides. It's not that big of a deal, but I would have to know her hardens heads that with the whole thing 'cause just a run it back with Russ in him which is. Probably, what happens because I think trading four Ross is really really hard. The only teams I ever hear Hecht about Ross happens I. Think I've heard this before but a team that would sit around and be like we're stale. We haven't done shit were totally off the radar for five something years. Do we just throw a bunch of pieces at Ross and say, all right we've got a superstar and I'm using air quotes were superstar with Russ to we just do it to shake it all up and be different have a cooler attraction and then you're like wait he's forty four million and he's hurt. Well, it's In the seventies and eighties in the NBA like Russell would have been traded two more times. It's like like George McGinnis, where phillies like, Hey, man. Any interest in George McGinnis Denver's like yeah. That guy's great. Here's Bobby Jones. then. They give Bobby Jones. The best defensive for in the league straight up for George McGinnis because back then like people barely knew how to run a team and we still have that with certain teams like I could like a team like Sacramento go hey. Russ me win the MVP three years ago. Could you sell tickets for us put at the Fox? Exactly that's buddy. Buddy held Russ like we're getting the better player and then all of a sudden russes on your tape. Addresses moved again and it's like wait I thought you James Harden were. So coast James Yet, but he healed spot up shooter So my guess is they'll run back new coach. Blame stuff on the bubble and the fact that you know Russel's banged up well, don't blame somebody blame somebody that was those articles are coming. as there's very little accountability. without authorization. This I mean look the referee report against Golden State two years ago. I still think it's one of the more embarrassing things. It was Joe. What's the best rumor you've heard of the past two weeks? That Jay Cutler's dating Tommy Laurent? HOW TOMMY LINEN Tommy Red Tie I think it's Tommy Conservative lady editor think about her. Is Tom Brady washed up. You `bout areas going I. Don't know what the Hell is. Problem is you looked like Tom, Brady practice I don't know what that was all about. We're like, WHOA, not used to that Here's here's something I want to tell you because I was I was actually a Mason Ireland out here on seven ten big fan of the show and they were doing the Brady segment where it was what does this mean I almost called in 'cause I just I can't. Believe In what world would we have twenty years of evidence that Brady's the fucking man and Bella checks the best to ever do it, and that somehow that still all on the balance with few weeks in his twentieth season at season forty three that would be like watching braveheart. And watching William Wallace the whole movie going. All right. All right. Okay. All right and then he gets his guts spoiler alert guts taken out at the end and then somebody the theaters actually goes hey, we're not that tough after all. Wasn't that tough. Like, what are you talking about like we already have? We have all of this evidence that they're both incredible I. Just I resist and I think less of the argument that somehow that this is some thing that's. Game. Winner loser. We're still not sure who's actually Eddie good in that. So that's not a bad rumors is a bad bad segment I thought. I saw your your your tweet was like, what was it ballot? Check one brady's era. Yeah. It's updated bill and Tom Powering kings bill one this week. Tom Too. But I'm going to see on next week plays out sowed. I talked about it on Sunday. And I don't feel like this is an overreaction. The Brady's lost his ability to Ed provides. And I think it's very important quality for the quarterback position. When. Something unexpected happens or when you have to plan see on a play. You early already there your. Case stifling. I've got that way last year I. What I saw in this game was a continuation of last year where he's he's become like. A stage actor who has to have the lines exactly how he memorize them, and then the other actors have to say their lines exactly and he's used to it but if somebody ad libs on 'em. He kinda does know how to roll within anymore. That's what I see when I watch him. I think he knows what he's doing for two and a half seconds when the ball's snapped. And if anything goes wrong either throws, it away doesn't WanNa get hit and he's not ready to experiment. You WanNa do it anymore That's what I see. As somebody WHO's watched it. Now, for two decades of my life, he used to have the supernatural ability to move around and create an extra second, extra second and a half just kind of move around without being like a scrambler like Josh Allen know his mobility in the pockets the best I've ever seen mobility in the pocket. He's not mobile quarterback, but his mobility, which is I think far more important than getting. He doesn't like that anymore he just doesn't and I think these teams are going off. They're just sending dudes Adam because they're like if we can get to him, we can start hitting him. He's GonNa he's GonNa not be able to do his thing he's just not. Now, he did get like hundred yards of pass interference on top his stats. I think his stats are a little deceiving but I thought he had like five or six like really terrible place that I don't think you can chalk up to uh does know his teammates yet? That wasn't what I saw I saw guy was forty three or didn't really WANNA get hit. I thought the Evans throw where it was the first pick I could see how that could be on Evans. But against twenty years of thinking, it was never his fault on any interception and that's how good he was because you're usually go back and look at every interception in those peak Brady fifteen years and you go. Yeah. All right. Actually see what? happened. Here and why that went wrong. I don't know whose fault that was the throat of the right looked like it just took a long time to get the ball over there, and that's the throw where people will tell you when it goes. That's the thirty you can't really make any more. It was funny. Watching drew lock it up and Manning. Yeah, we'll manning's it was over it. He's having to throw pop ups to get the ball down the field because throwing it higher in the air, it was easier to recover if you're the defender on the row but. He's not as bad as manning I wouldn't compare that. Good good. Good. Glad we got that other way is about to go there anyway, but you know drew lock. For, Denver he had a throw to the sideline that was sick in that game against stub against Tennessee and I was like, Oh that's right because Brady's look so bad I'm going to go ahead and in wait because Brady's huge well, we know this I don't need to say thanks stops in that. We know that Brady. Is A REP. There's no way he get the rhapsody who's going to get I don't know why you wouldn't defer to. Brady. That's what elway did the Great Peyton manning story when he was in his free agent toward he goes to Harbaugh in harbaugh playing catch and Harbaugh's actually like A. Little something of the ball and Harbaugh's like you're gonNA res like, what are we gonNA run? Run. I'M GONNA, run run my stuff and then he goes elway L. is we run whatever you want I. Don't know why you'd bring Brady in and tell him he can't run his stuff that he's comfortable with so I got to see more of him looking bad before I'm ready to write this off although the accuracy numbers last year there was a lot that weren't very good. How about that? He's forty three years old. You know that stat about the seven games. Yeah. That that stat and I'll repeat over time seven games have been started by a quarterback forty three or older is history. This was never gonNA end well and There's GonNa, be a season where it just is a rough season and then it's GonNa end and it was Brett Farve to those Dan Manny in that last season with a win the super bowl they barely did it but it was jarring because I was with our watching the Arizona's Cisco game on TV and then bucks saying about cuyler how `bout his that you're watching cuyler and then you watch him brady and it's like. If a cardinals play went wrong kyle inspect. All right. Cool. I'm going to run for eleven yards, and by the way he had like thirteen runs he had cutler had thirteen runs. He either ran out of bounds slid or scored twelve of the thirteen. You only get hit one time he's dominated it and you watch brady who it's like if the plane go perfectly the first two seconds it was either he's throwing it away or getting hit or God only knows and is like, all right. It's it's hard to say he's the goat anymore even though he's the goat. I'm just not ready to. I'm not ready to say that it's like you sound like you're ready to just right I'm pretty I eight. I was rooting for him I I. Really I, bet on them like I wanted to root forum and and it was a bummer. Is this like when older buddies show up alums come back to school and there like twenty five and they get shit faced with you and they sleep on your couch and they wake up at your house and you look at them and you're like, Oh, God. Guy. Look. So old. You never had a lump sleepy your house. We had that we had a couple and we were like horrified for like what the Hell is. That was GONNA happen to us I was thinking last two years bird. When it's like, he looks like Larry Bird you can still put up twenty. He'd have a couple couple of awesome games but it was like I knew is different I just didn't want to admit it. Well. We'll see. I'm shocked to use the Celtics as A. That was amazing. He loves Scotty Miller. I'll tell you a tae Joe. He loves Scotty Miller. He really loves this guy loves a here that all your Russillo thanks for staying up late on a Tuesday night to commemorate the clip. Clip, pacalypse. Of A two thousand, twenty trademark. Of TM. All right. You have a podcast coming Thursday I do as well. We will We'll see then. All right. Thanks to you spotify. Thanks to resell it. Thanks to subway. Remember we made some bad causing some good causes week. But it is still foot long season at subways. Let's try to keep a mainly good. Okay. Start by grabbing a delicious fresh prepared for long with all your favorite toppings or head in the subway APP, which is very good for contact for your and payment to make pick up or delivery quick and easy forget about that Fried Greasy food grab a tasty foot long on game day or any day because it's foot long season. At the don't forget about the Rewatch watchable whereas the than unfaithful I have another podcast on. Thursday with a couple of famous guests excited for it.

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"To windows world sports entertaining and provocative look into the world of sports. and beyond. Please please go over to apple. is students in reading. Reviews your feedback as well and how the host of the program from the washington dc metropolitan area when down wallers and woke up the window world in sports. I'm your host to wonder wallace so glad that you could be with us so dogo glad you could be a lot of things to get down on and discuss today in the world of sports i am back. I am back from vacation. I'm back from visiting my mom back from the east coast. I'm back from visiting my brother back from visiting my goddaughter. I am back rower in ready to go. You'll both swamps year mademoiselle's you. The woman's windows rolled this four. So glad that you could be with us. Konishi alone was allom aleichem. Nama stay windows. World is sports. i'm your host when wallace. Oh glad that you could be with us. Possibly amigos miana win. The wallis windows world is sports so doug. I'm glad that you could be with us man. I hope everybody's doing great fantastic wonderful. I hope that you're doing everything that needs to be done. The go ahead and make your world to make your space. Make your place to make your children to make your spouse the. Make your friends to make your clothes much better. Moving this world in a positive direction through unity through love through understanding through education through acknowledgment through listening and learning from others. Don't look at you different. Genders faces racist places political affiliations. Let's see what we can do for our next generation in the generation after that to move this pathetic society in a positive direction. Lot better than it is currently right now. Hopefully the period of time the lion recording this podcast. I go ahead in make your life may be a little bit better than it was before because you know what five seconds just pass. We're never going to get that back down. Five more seconds they'll death. Let's see what we do to get it done to make sure that we have a good time doing what we're doing. Wendel rosen sports on your host window wallace so glad but you could be with us on the program. Today met a lot of good stuff. Man you know we gotta talk about this. Nba playoff the second round. Now especially in the western conference of a lot of fresh new faces. Eastern conference freshman faces happened in the second round for the first time. I think says twenty eleven. There's gonna be no steph curry. There's going to be no the bron james. there's going to be. No miami heat is going to be. No los angeles lakers going to be no golden state warriors who can claim that they're in the nba finals or that they're going to be winning an nba championship. So it's either going to be utah. Phoenix the clippers phil philadelphia the bucks. The nets interesting stuff happened a man and so i'm going to break down all that stuff. I wish you know the way that these deemed are panning out there anyway. Humanly possible that the nba kim flop in terms of switcheroo. The gains being telecast out here on the west coast is no big deal. 'cause you know a four four four o'clock four thirty eastern conference games than seven thirty six thirty seven o'clock we get the western conference team so for me. It's no big deal. Because i am done watching the nba by ten thirty at the latest. Eleven o'clock at night depending upon how the game golden weather. Monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday saturday. I can go ahead and give me some sleep. Heading back eastman head to watch. The final game of the lakers and the phoenix suns in that game was on started at ten o'clock man by the third quarter i was dragging. I was suffering. I was putting into work and putting in the effort to watch that game so it was kind of like man for those who are east coast number one be happy be grateful. Be thankful but number two man if you're an nba fan and you got a nine to five or even a seventy three or something like that where you have to wake up in the morning get your kids ready for school to wipe up. Do all those types of things go to work. It's impossible virtually impossible for you to get a decent nicely if you want to go ahead and watch the western conference games on tnt on espn whatever. Those games would be televised or whatever network. That game is being televised. So yeah man. I i've been away from the east coast for so long. I kind of forgot how will use to struggle even in my younger days to go ahead in a watch the entire game than be wakeup for work or school or classes next day and get that done so that was sort of a wakeup call to be like. Yeah man. I can see how this is a this is tough sometimes i can even go ahead live here on the west coast with the tnt game. Even the espn game. I can go ahead and of skip a little bit of the first game. The eastern conference game knowing that they're going to show the replay on tnt at eleven o'clock my time. So i'm going to be going to bed around midnight. Twelve thirty something like that. I can go ahead and watch the first quarter again. Make a few more notes make a few more observation. Bring up some new things that i want to talk about but take a gander at the game again and again if i want to something and come back at five thirty. Five o'clock catch the second quarter. Nobody deal just watch the replay of the game in the for the first quarter when they do the replay on tnt. Living in the west coast. You can do that because again. Ten thirty eleven o'clock depending upon what time the late game the west coast games and letting go ahead and do that. Forty east coast. It would be sitting there at two. Am in the morning trying to watch a replay of the game and you have to wake up six or seven to go to work can understand where you're like nass. Okay i'll pass but Yeah so far. Been joined the playoffs. The first round pretty entertaining pretty nice. Pretty good the second round continuing some good games. The western conference games had been intense some eastern conference. Well mainly the brooklyn nets. And the milwaukee bucks have been a disappointment. I'll get into that philadelphia in atlanta interesting series the clippers and the utah jazz balled out wasn't attentive Competitive game the other night for tap of the utah utah. Jazz looked like they want to rob. They wanted to imitate the houston rockets of a couple of years ago by shooting nothing but threes but they got their act together. Donovan mitchell came up with forty five point. I'll get into that later on in the podcast but that was a game. That was an exciting game. This is going to be series moving forward and then you have the phoenix suns and the denver nuggets who going to be playing their game number two tonight. I'm recording this this afternoon. So i want to get this done before the clippers in the me before the sons and the sons and the denver nuggets starts. That's going to be an interesting game or see if denver can rebound from their loss loss in game. One to the phoenix suns. So a lot of good things a lot of good things you mentioned before. The hawks in the sixers tied one game piece. Linda won the first game start. The series went twenty eight months. Twenty four saw some of that while waiting for a flight at bwi baltimore washington international airport but lanta started off strong held on trae young scored twenty five of thirty five points in the first half had tennessee for the game broke down bug yelavich. Who missed all three games of the season series when playing the seventy sixers with a knee injury. He had twenty points. John collins scored twenty one points. Seventy nine shooting from the floor. Three or four from three point range as i mentioned before. The hawks led by as many as twenty six points. Twenty by halftime and stage in survived a furious rally by the seventy sixers. Joel embiid phillies scoring with thirty nine points. Nine rebounds steph curry had twenty one points to buy his. I wanna talk about him a little bit later on. My podcast had twenty so much defense played in game. One atlanta shot fifty one percent from the field. Philadelphia's shot fifty five percent. I meet him of the situation. Where a look you know. Both teams stroke. I think atlanta had a stronger with more mentally ready when more mentally prepared to play because of the opponent that they played in the fram going up against the new york next at tremendous atmosphere and going up against that team opposed to the philadelphia. Seventy sixers who basically a walk in the park knowing that they were going to beat my washington wizards so i think gained one for the series between atlanta and philadelphia was something where philadelphia had to get acclimated themselves at acclimate themselves saying okay. We're not playing the wizards anymore. We're actually playing the teen. That could actually beat us. Some respect gained from that outing from game. One by the seventy sixers on the hawks to let them know that you know what. The hawks are real. We need to take them seriously and game. Two they just at philadelphia one going one going away one eighteen one or two joel embiid. Who as you might know if you don't know. Let me tell you playing with a small lateral meniscus tear in his right knee dominating playoff high forty points thirteen rebounds by his hairs. Editorially to six rebounds. Four assists steph curry again. Three point shooting stretching the floor had twenty one points. Shake shake shake. Your milton had a major impact near the end of the third period. Entered the game with two forty six to go on a third quarter I think that was the time. When atlanta took their first lead of the game fact philadelphia came out with a haymaker had him down early early in the game but atlanta resisted or atlanta survive the onslaught the early onslaught by philadelphia worker. Way back into the game late in the third quarter took a lead and then shifted. Milton came in and basically saved the game for him. Made a three pointer to give philadelphia the lead at eighty to eighty elite which they never lost and then hit a running improbable buzzer beating ended. The quarter shot to increase the lead for philadelphia. And from there. Hey it was all good finished with fourteen points in fourteen minutes. So atlanta hate trae. Young like the hawks. Twenty one points eleven rebounds much better defense by philadelphia in this game on young limiting his floaters limiting the impact that he had penetrated middle. Young nutty fish it from the outside. So so matisse stable ben. Simmons didn't awesome job to help defense even with a couple of blocks shots by joel embiid when young came into the paint control the paint. So you know there was a good win. A must win for the philadelphia. Seventy sixers in so many so many areas which i'll talk about off the bench for atlanta danilo. Gallinari scored twenty one points. Kevin herder had twenty. But when you turn the ball over seventeen times philadelphia turns it into twenty eight points. You are going to lose so want to be talking about concerning the series in my next segment. We're talking about the nba. Playoffs is can the philadelphia seventy sixers championship. The way they're playing in regards to look if joel embiid is now going to be dominant. Joel embiid the way. The brooklyn nets are playing. I don't think that they're gonna win the series. I don't think they're going to beat. The brooklyn nets the way that atlanta is playing going back now tied one one really having the homecourt advantage going back to atlanta. Joel embiid is dominant. We could be looking at a situation in a couple days where philadelphia's going back to try to survive down three two one. So the way that the seventy sixers of built right now. Is this a championship contender. If the brooklyn nets are going to play like they did in game two. The answer is joel embiid. Shaquille o'neal wilt chamberlain bill russell george. Mike and artis gilmore bob lanier then the other big man who i haven't mentioned times fifteen the beat the brooklyn. That's the way they played game to discuss them a little bit. Later on my podcast. But you have joel embiid. Who has a history of a not being consistent in the amount of games that he played in b. being consistent in his being injury prone are going to put all of our eggs in one basket in terms of joel embiid leading the seventy sixers hoping praying that he to stay healthy enough to be dominant for the philadelphia. Seventy sixers to win their first. Nba championships Moses malone dr j. bobby jones mode cheeks injury tony of nineteen eighty two eighty three. Are we going to put that on the shoulders of joel embiid. We're gonna have to because if not. I don't see ben simmons carrying us. And i'll see steph curry carrying us. I don't see danny green carey and you guys. I don't see anybody else. I don't see what schemes or what. Coaching situation or coaching adjustments. That doc rivers can make to offset a hampered a downgraded a michigan action. Joel embiid if they can get past the atlanta hawks then move onto the eastern conference finals. Where presumably they're going to be playing the brooklyn nets and then on to the nba finals. Where presumably they're going to be playing either the utah jazz or the phoenix suns. So although things we'll be discussing in my next segment the series that could win the decades. Remember this this is one of those roller sports The podcast i'm your host. Win the wallace glenda. You could be with us thrown night in the next series. The next semifinals the series in that eastern conference the the brooklyn nets versus in the walkie bucks and what could be. The winner wins the championship. Remember that was a storyline. One of the story lines heading into this series a doggone drag-out bare knuckle fisticuffs type of battle between these two teams. Well it looks like when you have the story line. The winner of the series could win. The nba championship should win. The nba championship is going to be favored to win the nba championship. That is correct problem. If there's little swerve to that because we thought that this would be something where it could be even the brooklyn nets or the milwaukee bucks after two games and i know it was on the home court of the brooklyn nets i understand but after two games and looks like yeah. The winner of the nba championship is going to be coming out of the series and clearly as the brooklyn nets. What is going on with the milwaukee bucks nets lead the series two old. After two impressive homecourt victories brooklyn looked unstoppable unbeatable on another level and again to with a one twenty five eighty six thumping romping embarrassment destruction of the milwaukee bucks. Kevin durant had two points for rebounds six assists twelve of eighteen from the field kyrie irving meanwhile put up twenty two points. Five rebounds six assists did i mention. They didn't need james harden. James harden didn't play the net shot fifty percent from the three point line on forty two three point attempts shop fifty two percent overall and the nets who were malign who were destroyed who were carved up who were verbally destroyed by pundits by folks on the talking head shows by nba players. All over talking. About how bad the defense was how future defense was days ical defense was how non caring. Their defense was early in the season. Remember that remember all that. Well the The nets helped milwaukee the nba's highest scoring team this season. Thirty four points below Average in game two and then during the game the nets by by media forty nine points that i mentioned that brooklyn dominated this game without james harden did i did. I throw that in there because about one minute into gained. One harden sprain. His hamstring ableman. I'll i'll tell you this right now. If brooklyn's going to play like this it brooklyn played that that high level with or without james harden. They're gonna win championship maelander stats. I mean this is just gonna be a situation where for contract obligations the nba season had to continue. But if the league is the memo from the brooklyn nets and hey guess what. We're going to play at this level for the rest of the playoffs. Forget it who's coming in second utah. Munich's clippers who's coming in second denver. Who's coming in second here because they y'all is one of the nba championship. I'm telling you that right now. Brooklyn nets elevated themselves to what golden state was a few years ago when it was a foregone conclusion that unless something tragic happens in terms of a major injury that golden state was gonna win the championship. The brooklyn nets the way they played elevated their stature to that similar of the two thousand and one. La lakers when they came into the finals against the philadelphia. Seventy sixers was shaquille. O'neal and kobe bryant. I'll get back to that team. When i talk about this series in the next segment so the brooklyn nets are going to play like this. The intrigue the suspense is gone. This is a situation. Where yes the brooklyn nets will be winning the nba championship. The question is moving forward with this product of you know one shining moment. Netplay deliver thanks to a lackadaisical crummy coal embarrassing performance by the milwaukee bucks. So what i'm saying is that that was what this one of these was liking. Man you know that's about the best we could play. We were in the zone blah blah blah. We're not going to milwaukee with milwaukee down to nothing. The way they got their asses cooked the other night and be able to shoot fifty two percent for the field. Janas is not going to let k. d. embarrass him again on a consistent basis like he did in game. Two irving is not going to shake and bake and get down. Shake his rump shaker and go path everybody with the verb in the skill in the excitement in the who that he displayed in game. Two in game one. Go to milwaukee. Milwaukee is going to be angry. Milwaukee's gonna be upset. Milwaukee is gonna be embarrassed and milwaukee's gonna say fucking i mean. Hopefully they will play much harder. I don't know what that entails boot and older getting on his head. The needs to bring the family members saying fellas you realize that i need this job and if we continue to play like this we lose in four or five games. I'm out of a job. Take a look people white here. She needs to keep herself beautiful. Chinese those pedicure. She needs those managers. Bringing my beautiful dollar will you. This young lady is going to be going to college. I need to be paying for pollen fellas and once he gets married. Who do you think can be paying for the wedding. Thank you very much. This is all on the line man. My paycheck by way of living is all on the line. That beautiful house. I have on the suburbs of no walkie outside of milwaukee the beautiful cards. I drive the lifestyle that i have. I wanna keep that up fellas please for god fucking sakes save me. Save my job to do something because right now steve. Nash is making him look silly. From the coach versus coaching term to that the dynamic is concerned the coaching performance. Div nassar's are running circles around them and The bucks look lost the bucks look out of shape. The books looking at books like they have no confidence whatsoever. And when the brooklyn nets were open their ass. Milwaukee said fuck it. We'll just sit here and take it no problem. No just got their asses brooklyn at beating the shit out of us. They're laughing at us and we're not gonna do anything. We're not going to a hit back. We're not gonna fight back. We're just gonna sit there and take it in the neck to the fight. Beaten bloodied and bruised. We're just gonna have long looks interface basis. I can't imagine a team. Chris middleton youngest grupo jrue holiday. Pj tucker brought lopez. I can't. I can't imagine those guys acquiescing in giving up like they did but they did. So you know just for privacy. I mean the time in dp. I expect him to come out done to blazin. I expect khris middleton the future performances that he had in the first game. I expect him to come out and play much harder. I spent jrue holiday not to lose his confidence not to lose his belief in. Come out and play harder. I'm expecting something from bobby portis. I'm expecting something from the bench expecting the bucks to stop shooting. Contested off the dribble. Three point shots. And i don't know maybe work their way into the paint. Maybe get brooke mopeds on the block and try to at least physically make. Kevin durant work a little bit harder. I mean she the features going to go ahead and embarrassed entire squad on offense. You might as well try to make a work on defense right just a little bit. I'm not asking for mopeds to post up. Kevin durant and go and go team allies on. I david robinson in the ninety six western conference finals on his ass but damn at least make a work of a little bit so we'll see moving forward and of course we'll be discussing that and the segments preceding. This one here on windows world is sports. The podcast i'm your host one. Go wallace bolger. Swamy shoe met was zell western conference second round good stuff going on as i mentioned before the utah jazz. Beat the la clippers great competitive intense game. One twelve one. Oh nine jazz over terrible shooting in this first half to outscore. La sixty five forty nine in the second half thirty two nineteen in the third quarter. It was a matter of man. The jazz were getting good. Looks but were first half as far as the three pointers concerned but they would just breaking them down of the mitchell who has the mentor. Be score mentor before scored forty five points. He said in the interview afterwards that he was thoroughly embarrassed thoroughly outplayed. In the first half both offensively and defensively so we came into the locker room and he said thelma. Bad i got you. I'm gonna turn it up and he most definitely did for the jazz missed. Twenty one consecutive shots mostly three point attempts. As i mentioned before they were imitating the houston rockets vs the golden state warriors. A few years ago in game seven where what houston misl- up twenty seven straight. Three point shot or some nonsense like that. Well i mean it was just a claim clang fest in the first half for utah but the looks that they were giving you knew eventually that they could they. Could you know. Make up for those miss shots in the first half and other you before donovan. Mitchell scored on the first four possessions to start the second half. Start the comeback being down thirteen at the half and he's a screw this. I'm gonna go super mode. I'm gonna go Superstar i wanna go franchise player on the los angeles clippers in wish that In which the learner would have recruited me. And not paul george to the los angeles clippers. Mitchell was thirteen four sixteen thirty from the field. Six of fifteen from the three point line as i mentioned before after a horrendous start for the first half in that game one for utah. So mitchell play like a franchise player. Mitchell playing like the league basketball player. Mitchell planning like a player who can lead his team to an nba championship. The clippers play hard. They ran out of gas. Blend the simple. The team shot thirty percent in the second. Half quite leonard twenty points. Paul george was four hundred seventeen from the field. Marcus morris leonard playoff p combined to shoot seventeen fifty from the field so after that emotional having game series against dallas mavericks. That was a strange. That was interesting. Wasn't the clippers came in play. Well took advantage of utah. Not playing any defense again when you take a look at the series before for both those teams when they met the jets had a relatively easy time against the memphis grizzlies coming in their first game. Against a clipper team that had to win two games in a row to avoid being eliminated on in all hell being broken. Broken out. Over at the steve bomber land so it took a little time for the judge. Matsch that intensity that the clippers carried over from their last series in the first round but they call them and they passed them doesn't mean that the jazz are going to win this series. I think this is going to be a very very competitive series and despite the fact that yes you can start going ahead and making your playoff p jokes. I think that paul george is going to have a much better performance. Second round this year than he had last year court. You can't get any worse but I think the way kawai. Leonard play in the first round especially in the deciding game games. Six and seven against the dallas mavericks. I don't know if kawhi compla- at that level again. I mean this top the basically carry that offense then go ahead and for stretches guard. Luka doncic turned out to be as of right now what maybe top three top four in terms of the best players on the planet right now the age of twenty one twenty two loaded so why win over and Put the pressure on dodge in. Shut him down. I shouldn't say top three or four because he did a flame out in the fourth quarter. But i will say lucas performance. Pull him top six or seven because for the series dallas versus the clippers. I will say that quiet. Leonard had a better series than lucas. Oh okay sorry about that just like wanted to go ahead and get get into one of my rambling thoughts but Y- y don't think in this series. She can continue the level of offense and then go ahead and try to shut down donovan. Mitchell like he did in game mainly six and seven the dallas mavericks where he put his offense. Put the offense on the back for la and then Very difficult for luka doncic in that series so we're going to need something from playoff p. n. again let's kinda like stop with the soft switches when the jazz offense. We could do that police. And the fact that playoff p. paul. George can take advantage of the switch which had really go bear trying to guard. Paul george twenty one. Twenty two feet away from the basket. George could neither rise up for a good look on a jump shot and he could not get to the rim in finish or get filed against go bare so in that at least engaged one. Big man win. So we'll see what happens. And i'll be discussing also donovan mitchell. Ready to become the best player on a team that can win the nba championship. Wendell's world sports. i'm your host one wallace. Glad you could be with us. The phoenix suns the denver nuggets game. That's going to be happening in about four hours or self was six thirty. What time the game starts six thirty somewhere rather so i got like three hours to go out. Probably have to go ahead and cut slice and published tomorrow. But if they're going to be starting in a couple of hours or so phoenix one game. One one twenty to one zero five dollars scorn from the sun's shooting fifty four percent from the field for the game for the five daughters for phoenix score. Twenty points or more. That would be crispell. Mikhail bridges devon booker and deondraye. Aiden jae crowder also score. Fourteen point the starting five combined to shoot thirty nine of sixty four from the floor that would be a robust sixty percent. You ain't winning basketball games playoff basketball games. If you're the denver nuggets on the road allowing that type of shooting percentage unless you have unless unless james harden kevin durant and kyrie irving are going to show up in denver nuggets uniform. Say we got this. Yeah having those type of offensive numbers for your opponent is not the recipe for success. If you're a team in the nba so we will go ahead and take a look at that breakdown with that chris. Paul steady deondraye aiden continues to play. Well stalled. I guess you could say draw slightly better than nicoli. Yokich the deserving. Mvp in game one. So we'll see what happens. Moving forward tonight in game. Two windows rolled and sports the podcast. I'm your host wonder wallace so glad you could be with us. I mean if we're talking about sports right if we're talking about sports in a racist ignorant divided states of america then we have to of course talk about nfl. We had even though it's june you've been many camps and all this other bullshit we have to go ahead and we have to talk about the nfl. Because god forbid we. Don't talk about it on sunday this past sunday. The atlanta falcons agreed to trade. Julio jones to tennessee titans atlanta agreed to send jones and they twenty twenty three sixth round draft. Pick to send it to do a tennessee for twenty twenty two second round pick and a twenty twenty three third rounder jones has been subject trade conversation over the past two months when on these shannon escape show or may twenty fourth telephone interview with with shannon not with skip. But she ended. I just like seeing the word skip and on the networks show was when asked. Hey man are you done. He would like yeah. I'm outta here. When he was asked about the falcons. So don't know if jones knew that the phone call of being televised. But you know what the doesn't matter anyway. He's now with the tennessee titans last year. For julio fifty one catches seven hundred seventy yards three touchdowns eighty yards per game receiving which was his worst figure since twenty twelve and he also missed seven games last year with hamstring injuries. But when you take a look at it. I thought i mentioned this before last. Podcast a podcast. Before i don't know man when you get older senile the shit happens. But i remember talking about this on my last podcast concerning julio jones about where it would be a fit or what team should want him. And i listed off all teams that could use someone like a julio jones. I think i mentioned the baltimore ravens and the green bay packers and the jacksonville jaguars and the las vegas raiders. And all these teams. That i broke it down to what team would value the most in getting. Julio really didn't think too much about the tennessee titans but when you look at it for tennessee. Wide receiver is a need when you're talking about losing their Top two or two of the three top path receivers to free agency when corey davis sign with new york jets and then gina signed with the new england patriots so another wide receiver. Another pass catching guy was in need was in play so jones now going to play with the number one receiver. Aj brown derrick henry at the running back who ran for two thousand yards a run based type offense which solved the defense put eight in a box an exorbitant amount of time. The most in the nfl. So we're going to be taking a look at. Julio matched up a lot of one on one coverage is where he can go ahead and get some things done ryan tannehill as the quarterback continues to be a quarterback who was of the wouldn't say upper echelon but somewhere anywhere around number nine to number fifteen sixteen in the nfl. It would be the first time. I mean this is a situation where you know. Aj brown is guy who models emulated his game after. Julio jones and these guys are too big strong receivers that can go ahead and make plays. We saw the prowess that aj braille had at the wide receiver position. So it will be interesting. He had a second consecutive one. Thousand yard season So let's see how well we'll see how well that. Julio jones can play off of that so that they're henry rushing for over two thousand yards so it's a pretty good idea. The only thing that i'm thinking about is at thirty two years old and the guy. Who was i mentioned before with dealing with injury problems last season. How much is julio. Jones going to be able to give them a seventeen game season and will this be able to overcome a subpar defense for the titans to become elite. What are we looking for. What are the expectations when we think about. Julio jones going to the tennessee titans we're not talking about twenty fourteen. Julio jones we're not talking about two thousand sixteen julio jones. we're talking about a thirty two year. Old receiver julio jones who could be at the number two at the number two receiver to be that guy to take some of the pressure off of aj brown in an losing smith. They're tied in. Who's the fill that role which in turn will take pressure off of not just aj bram but also someone like julio jones also so what are they going to be the expectations. The julio jones two twenty seventeen is not walking through the door don't expect the don't expect the productivity and the prowess of that of that the receiver but still. I think jones can have multiple multiple games where he can be the best wide receiver on the field for that day. Other means going to be doing it. Every single time doesn't mean for seventeen weeks. We expect julio jones to be that guy for eleven twelve thirteen of them but if he gives you four or five games where he the best receiver on the field if he gives you six or seven games is equally be catching seven passes for ninety eight yards in the td from the number two receiver position. I think the tennessee. Titans will go with that. Especially if that happens. You're gonna start. You're gonna start to see more running lanes and more opportunities for derrick henry to have big big games in the run department so there we go as i mentioned before it doesn't make him a super bowl. Contenders are still not On the same level going into this season at least on paper not on the same level at the care. The city used to be shopping on the buffalo bills. The baltimore ravens. The cleveland browns. They're not at that level but it doesn't hurt when your biggest free agency. Pickup for defense is bud. Dupree were steeler said ceo. Later bye bye have a good one. And he's also coming off a c. l. tear and that's going to be your claim to fame as far the defense for tennessee in a free agent acquisition. It's going to elevate that defense. You're counting on bud. Do pre blood then not mental thing. That's going to be working for the titans at least in terms of defense to try to stop a patrick mahomes to try to stop a josh allen. Try to stop a baker mayfield. Tried to stop a lamar jackson. Windows rolled the sports. I'm your host when the wallace so glad you could be with us okay. It must be time for talking about roger. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to the show where we talk about. Aaron rodgers sensibly no matter what he does if he's on vacation. We're gonna talk about here logic. If he's on a hawaiian vacation trip was his beautiful. Bride is beautiful. Fiancee talk about it. We're going to have anything. In terms of aaron rodgers is concerned. We're going to tell about it here on windows world and sports. I'm your host of this wonderful game where we talk and we desolate in we opinionated and we give our thoughts and opinions about what is going on with aaron rodgers. Even there is nothing going on with aaron rodgers and his june in the nfl. Aaron rodgers officially holding out. Ooh yeah i know the star september. But here we are you. We have to go ahead and make a big deal out of that. Aaron rodgers is officially holding out. The packers began there. Full swat minicamp tuesday without aaron rodgers. Ooh it was the first time rogers fifteen year. Nfl career that he is a hold of ood. He's now skipped the entire speaking of aaron rodgers. Now get the entire Packers off season program. The guy coming in man he is not coming any didn't show up for all three phases of the franchise voluntary workout sessions for the first time in his career. So we're taking a look now at one. We be able to hit the panic button. What are we going to be able to lead off. This was sportscenter. When are we going to be able to talk about this. On the shannon skipping the mike greenberg tv show and everything else. The next mandatory reporting date for rogers is july twenty seventh which is the opening of the team's training camp so burgling hog wild over in a roger becoming efficient becoming a hold out because he missed a you know. Have some some some mini squad camp to mini camp or some nonsense like that. What do you think the excitement is going to be when he doesn't show a for training camp especially now when the nba seeds. There's going to be over a major league. Baseball is gonna be in the dog days. The summer olympics hasn't started yet. Will you think my goodness gracious man is going to be like world war three. I mean it's going to be like roberto clemente dies in a plane. Crash thurman munson dies in a plane crash. Len bias died of a cocaine overdose. John f. kennedy was shot in dallas era. Rogers didn't show up for packers. Minicamp now the packers have the option. Define rogers ninety three dau. Ninety three thousand dollars for missing this week's mandatory camp in by missing all of the off season programs rodgers will receive his five hundred thousand dollar. Five hundred thousand dollars a workout bonus. Heaven's say a how no rolled is equal pay for marriage hammer world. Did he pay for a trip to hawaii. If he's not gonna receive his five hundred thousand dollar off season boaters. Isn't it nice to sit there and talk about what five hundred grand no need. They're gonna find me ninety three thousand dollars who yeah sorry must be nice but differ him from the packers going to be. I'm not going to not gonna find this guy when you flip nothing bigger than pleading the guy who doesn't want to be part of our team begging and pleading for him acquiescing changes mind and oh by the way while you're thinking about that gonna find your ninety three thousand dollars also when the majority of players who gun on record say aaron. Do what you have to do when you have the team. Davante adams having the back of aaron rodgers in terms of what he's doing you really think it would be wise for the packers organizations to turn around and find him ninety three thousand dollars find him ninety three dollars. Find him ninety. Three cents courses ridiculous. In fact i'll tell you what man aaron rodgers we can get to some type of a agreement where we can get back to some level of. He's coming back. And everything's copacetic Was going on for this season. I'll even give your five hundred thousand dollars. Bonus for not working out so it's a situation where yeah we'll kiss your ass because guess what are only other options. Put it in jordan love or maybe trading for for for a obligated. I don't know who's out there out. There they give for jacksonville minzhu or some nonsense like that. That's our that's our backup plan or we can just start jordan love at least while people are sitting there whining and moaning and complaining and cafaro feeling about. Oh my goodness what's going on there. And at least gets the packers organization more time and opportunity to see what they have in jordan love because if green bay eventually trade rogers i mentioned before. What's your plan b. Are you going to if you go ahead. And for instance in trade in a roger denver in in the trade package. The broncos get the broncos send over send over drew. Lock the quarterback starting quarterback for them last season the denver as part of the deal to get aaron rodgers Trade drew lock to the packers. What is that safer jordan. Love like wait a minute so all of this stuff could be moved up ahead pissed off. Aaron rodgers disrespected aaron rodgers and drafted a guy boot up drafted a guy. He didn't play one single snap the entire year. So now you're gonna trade aaron rodgers to bring back into to bring in a guy who's just as young or around the same age as drool-o as a jordan love and drew lock. What the hell do we do all this for. If at least the very least in the next year or two when he got drafted jordan love wouldn't be the man. What is that the plan. The whole you guys thought that aaron rodgers threw washed up to you go ahead and the draft jordan love you move the draft jordan love unapologetically go ahead and draft jordan love aaron rodgers disrespect my goodness gracious and your draft jordan love and then after one season. I'm not playing at all and calling all this contradiction that will ultimately lead to eh rogers going somewhere else. All of this nonsense for jordan love not to start for the twenty twenty. One season hung. And then you're so enamored with this guy. You're so in love with this guy. Speaking of jordan love. But you go ahead and you go ahead and you train for a quarterback another young quarterback. They'll give me this before competition. Bullshit no no so all of this. I don't know. I dunno glass half full of your packer. Fan look aaron rodgers and not going to be there fucking. Let's see what we can have. In jordan love maybe ultimately the ball out minicamp stretching stretching stretching like stretch armstrong. Maybe we can convince the team to take up. I don't know man. I'm just thinking out my ass but at least it will give them some idea about what the progression was development. So far of jordan love. So that's that's all. I have for erin love. Aaron love while aaron's in low who've question. How much is aaron in low. So that's my era roger stuff today. Let's my nfl stuff for today. I can't i. Can't i can't go on. Julio jones getting traded. Okay talk about situation. In rogers play the hits all right. You want me to talk about aaron rodgers. i'll give you erogenous but That's enough money fell lami. We got nba playoffs going on. We got all the stuff going on. So i wanna i wanna get into that so before i get into these eastern conference finals. I'm going to because during my time back east. When i saw my mother hanging in there doing well and i saw the most fabulous wonderful awesome talented intelligent human being age fifty to my wonderful awesome goddaughter sydney davis I was thinking about some of the old females to say. Hello to back in the day. When i used to live in the area i ask cute but i say cupid could you draw back your bow and let your era. Go straight to my lover's heart for meat. Nobody but me bid please hear my cry inlet. Eurofly straight to my lover's heart for me but Before i start ripping roaring in getting into the eastern conference round of the nba playoffs spinners. Could you indulge me for a second with cupid. If you would not say a cook not even just reading. Spinner's cuban if you would please ammo window. World is four. I'm your host wendell wall. Now it's time to get back to the show one of the sports. I'm your host one wallace so glad that you could be with us. Lengthy spinach appreciate it. All right talking about what's happening in the nba. The playoffs second round eastern western conference. Let's get to the eastern conference. I shall be the philadelphia. Seventy sixers and the atlanta felt while. Nfl damage the philadelphia. Seventy sixers in the atlanta hawks series tied at one game apiece. Joel embiid has been an absolute positive monster. The first two games of the conference semifinals been great in the playoffs. So far one of the top performers the average twenty four point seven rebounds against by washington wizards in the first round games. Thirty six points. Thirty points average. Twenty four minutes a game. Doing it as i mentioned before. I think it was in game three. He was actually serial killing every member of the washington wizards on the basketball court. The serial killing serial killing their pride serial killing their ability to play basketball again. He was absolutely dominant in awesome. Poor daniel gaffer alex. Lynn didn't have a chance now. He was injured in game. Four after only eleven minutes which brought his average down to twenty four points per game in the series he missed game five with a small lateral meniscus tear first two games against the atlanta though still with tear still being injured still not one hundred percent still not close to being one hundred percent the average thirty nine and a half points eleven rebounds to block shots per game in thirty six and a half minutes. He shooting fifty four percent from the field and he's been to the line thirty one times in two games that is being dominant. My friend isn't enemies playing like. He's a pissed off that he didn't win the nba. Mvp went to nicola. Yokich should a gun to nicola yokich but in terms of mvp in terms of what your definition is for the mvp because very ambiguous doesn't you can take it any direction when you're speaking about a team or player willing to mvp is at the best player on the best team. It's the guy with the most dads is at the best storyline that we can come up with. Is it based on. What he's done for. A couple of seasons is based on what he means to was. Team doesn't mean that as mentioned before. He's the best player on the best team. So obviously that being teased the mvp of the league all of the things come into play. So there's really not one definition in terms of the for me. My definition of an mvp for this season wasn't a cola yokich for what did the amount of games that he played how important he was to his team. The way the denver still Rock the boat and held it afloat after the after jamal murray went down for the season of the way that he basically carried that team. I think that he's very deserving in my opinion of the mvp but when you're speaking about most valuable player we're gonna find out very quickly that Joel embiid if you're speaking about who is the most important player who means the most for that team who impacts winning or losing the most for that team. What team cannot be without their best player. Instill somehow someway survive. I think that joel embiid is going to be a great test to that theory that definition to what that definition would be. If you're saying that this is the mvp because let me tell you something man. He suffered against speaking about embiid. He suffered a small lateral meniscus tear in his right knee during game. Four of the philadelphia. Seventy sixers first round win over the washington wizards. How long can you keep playing on a consistent high level because it's an injury that's gonna require either surgical repair or removal when the season's over so this is something that is not going to be done with the rest. And the seventy sixers. Beat the hawks in five games and all of a sudden milwaukee and find pride in their basketball and somehow stretches this semi-final each conference semi-final contest playing against the brooklyn nets. They you know. Push the seven games and all those other stuff. Rest is not going to cure. What is joel. Embiid in terms of his knees concern so for the rest of the season for the rest of the playoff series. He is not going to be anywhere close to one hundred percent healthy. He didn't even play once again in the series clinching game five against my wiz and the status remain questionable hours until game one of the eastern conference semi-final matchup against atlanta. So there was a situation where he was in jeopardy of even missing that game. So how what are we talking about here. If you're the philadelphia seventy sixers again most valuable player for his team when joel embiid is in the line. Philadelphia has outscored atlanta by twenty seven in seventy three minutes will. He's not on the court. The atlanta falcons. Jesus that's the second time in mount. The atlanta hawks have outscored philadelphia by fifteen in a twenty three minutes. That he's arrested. That's mvp man. That's most valuable player impact that has on the team because joel's not the play at a dominant level of basketball. The sixers are going to win the championship. If they're gonna get passed a feisty. Tough nick mellon lead lead a hawk team especially after giving up homecourt advantage. If they're going to go ahead and beat the hawks then in the eastern conference finals beat the brooklyn nets. Let's go on the assumption that brooklyn is going to get by going to blow out or when their series against milwaukee and then you get to the eastern conference finals if brooklyn is going to be playing the high level that they're playing at right now. I don't care about ben simmons. i don't care about tobias harris. I don't care about shakespeare milton. I don't care about dwight. Howard i don't care about tyrod maxi. I don't care about the tea stibal. i don't care about any of those guys deke. For the seventy sixers. The only chance that the philadelphia seventy sixers have of getting past the brooklyn nets in the eastern conference final. The brooklyn nets are going to play anywhere close to the level that they're playing at right now is for joel embiid to be dominant and even raises game. Even more than four domination is concerned in the eastern conference finals. If they make it that far and if the brooklyn nets make it that far. That's the only way that the philadelphia seventy sixers are gonna win. He shouldn't have to have the equal dominance remember bringing it back to two thousand one in the nba playoffs in the nba finals in particular. Do you remember if you're too young or whatever but do you remember in two thousand one. The playoff that she kilo. Neil head will. He was at his. Absolute beastie. prime with the los angeles lakers. Do you remember the way that he absolutely devour destroyed. Ramps set the philadelphia. Seventy sixers and alan iverson for georgetown university Mutombo the center for georgetown university aaron mckie and and those guys and oh shit i forgot the other guy's name but basically the larry brown philadelphia seventy sixers. Do you remember in that. Two thousand and one nba playoff series. How hurricanes shaquille just demolished everything in its path wearing a philadelphia seventy sixer uniform and he completely bludgeon beat up destroyed annihilated Tombo with the strength with the sides with his girth with the skill with the system the matombo who by the way what multiple time nba defensive player of the year. seven foot. Two with a long wingspan did not stand a chance in that series against shaquille that finals. He averaged thirty three point. Sixty rebounds fifty seven percent from the floor in every forty five minutes a game. Shaquille o'neal was never better and his career than the more dominant big men in nba history. He was never as dominant as he was for the two thousand and one playoffs and in particular the two thousand and one nba finals if the philadelphia. Seventy sixers of twenty twenty twenty twenty one going to the twenty twenty one. Nba playoff the philadelphia. Seventy sixers are gonna win themselves championship. That's the type of dominance. The joel embiid is going to have to present. He's going to have to go ahead. They get past the atlanta hawks and he gets the atlanta hawks he had to be dominant. But if you're speaking about them. Getting past the hawks going to the eastern conference finals playing the brooklyn nets to be even more dominant. His brings us into a high level in the eastern half to be on the floor majority amount of time. You can't manage his minutes. This is not the regular season. This is not gained forty three and february. We're not at not playing the indianapolis the indiana pacers. Okay we're not playing the orlando magic. We're not playing the oklahoma city thunder. We're not playing chicago bulls. We are in the eastern conference final. The nba playoffs playing against the three headed monster. Known that durant kyrie irving james harden of the brooklyn nets the only chance that the philadelphia seventy six have a winning that game of winning that series to have joel. Embiid go shaquille. O'neal two thousand one or close to it as a philadelphia. Seventy six fan. Are you comfortable with that. Are you confident in that are you. Are you confident in joel. Embiid being able to play at that level as be sustainable at that level for a certain amount of time because if you take a look at the maximum amount of gave did the math. Did the homework today in class. The maximum amount of gains. Philadelphia's gonna play to win a championship right now. They're one in one second. Round of the eastern conference semifinals against the atlanta falcons. So for them from now on moving forward gained three and beyond the maximum amount of gain to philadelphia's going to have to play the won. The championship is going to be nineteen. If the hawks take them to seven games if the brooklyn nets or milwaukee bucks taking the seven games and then the nba finals if the western conference champ takes philadelphia the seven games. All of those games too ended up. Nineteen games four four four and then another four four four. Another seven here. Whatever the least amount of game the philadelphia gets hot and just just goes a buck flipping while in duluth another game. The least amount of games that they're going to play for the season is going to be eleven. So of course the likelihood for philadelphia if they're going to win a championship is somewhere between one thousand. Nine hundred eleven. I don't think they're going to go seven game for all of their series healthy. They're gonna sweep all of their series so somewhere. They're going to win a championship. They're gonna be playing somewhere around fourteen and fifteen to sixteen games the most consecutive game. The joel embiid has ever played and it's career is twenty six. That was almost three years ago when he averaged a career. High thirty three point seven minutes per game so when those twenty six games that he played in a row he was averaging somewhere around thirty three thirty four minutes. That was three years ago. Since then the most consecutive games he's played is twelve and that was in february of twenty twenty. And that's three key to an end. Why because he suffered a shoulder sprain so the longest stretch. He's been playing without injury or require arrest. This season is nine games. And he averaged only thirty one points per game so even though he was claiming and wasn't a You know seep did not play because of a restore fake injury or something like that. He was still modified in terms of his presence in in terms of the impact because he must have been on subtype minutes restrictions because he was only thirty minutes per game. So if you're asking joel. Embiid who has mentioned before has played the most. He's played after playing twenty six games in a row three years ago with twelve in the stretch he's played. This season is nine and that was on low minutes for philadelphia the win the championship. Joel embiid is will have to be there every single night for least thirty eight to forty two minutes per game especially if the competition tougher as you move on in these playoffs. Are you comfortable argue comfortable or confident that you will be do that because if joel embiid is available or damage i'm telling you right now. Forget about thinking about trying to get to the nba finals. Getting passing the walkie or brooklyn. They ain't gonna get past. Let let me ask you some. Where do you go joel. Embiid is ineffective unavailable injured ministry restriction. Whatever none on the floor will count philadelphia. Where did you go. what are you gonna do. Can you trust. Ben simmons whether the lack of offense in poor free throw shooting hacker. Simmons have been. I mean how. Much ben simmons lack of scoring and poor free throw shooting supersedes. Playmaking inventor prowess right. That's what doc. The doc rivers american black americans head coach. That's what he's always talking about. Well yeah. I don't want to hear about the fact that doesn't shoot threes and i don't want to hear the fact that he doesn't score enough and i don't wanna hear the fact that he doesn't shoot jumpers because men. You got disrespected him. And you're not taking a to encounter what other things brings to the table. And let's show your ignorance toward basketball. Because what he brings in terms of playmaking brings in terms of getting the guys in the right direction to be in good position to make good shots in the defensive prowess and what he does and its ability in versatility to guard everybody that supersedes that you know the more than makes up the fact that he will shoot anything outside the three feet and the fact that is absolutely terrified in a close game. What he's being hacked and got to the foul line and look in game. One against atlanta scored seventeen points seven seven shooting for him. That's like you know being a ball hog seven times in the game. But he was three ten from the free. Throw line with scott brooks in the washington. My washington wizards started in terms of hackers simmons in the first round of the playoffs. That's only going to continue. And he's playoff. This is not going away so looking to score four points. Two or three shooting had seven assists to rebound wide because he was hesitant in terms of doing what he needed to do because he did not want any part of going to the free throw line is if you're going to be playing the brooklyn nets we're going to need you for your defense on kevin durant also need you to try to hit some free throws though it's going to be nice if you slow down no one stops kevin durant but if you can slow down to make it harder for kevin durant the score twenty five to thirty five. That's great but how much would it mean. How much of that. Going to be. Mitigated defense on kevin durant. If you can't make a free throw every time after two minutes the ball's gonna be stopped. The momentum the rhythm any rhythm moten or momentum the philadelphia my ab is going to be stopped inside a certain amount of time because the metrical put meant symbols on the line. Where at the very best. He's going to be going one for two from the free throw money. Kim tobias harris bradley. Go to score other than bead the philadelphia. Seventy sixers have the philadelphia. Seventy sixers only one player outside of him. Beat who can get a bucket steph. Curry king bucket by himself. But t style can't get a bucket by himself. Danny green short can't get a basket by himself. The only two players on the philadelphia seventy sixers with any type of acumen to go ahead and get the ball and get two points without the need of offense without the need of a perfect play to get them a wide open shot at the rim or fifteen eighteen feet away from the basket. The only two players that can go ahead and create their own shots. Philadelphia is joel embiid. Whose extraordinary in that because he's dominant big man but the other one is tobias harris the bias here to the only guy with a shot clock running down throw the ball out to him and let's see what he can do. You take a look at the other top scores. You take a look at the go-to scores for title contending teams and you'll look so far in the playoffs. Tobias has been great as far as scoring. The basketball is concerned. He's averaging twenty four points per game. Had a thirty seven point game in the first game against the wizards but moving forward if your best perimeter score or your best goto shotmaker shot. Creator is tobias harris. Take a look at the other teams. That are still excuse. Me take a look at the other teams that are still in the playoffs. It take a look at their top scores. Take a look at this shot creators. take a look at their guy. Didn't get buckets without having to a running offense that can bail out on offense brooklyn has katie. James harden kyrie irving and. He wanted those guys. Of course the best some of them are willing to of those guys are the best has ever done it and the other guy is might be the most talented who's ever done it. The brooklyn had three of those guys. Were like shot clocks running down giving the ball. Let me go ahead and make something happen. Atlanta has a young. Milwaukee has a poor man's khris middleton jrue holiday and in in in some instances jaanus. Utah has donovan mitchell. We saw what he did in the second. Half of the first game of the western conference semifinals against the clippers. The clippers have kawhi. Phoenix has devon booker. Denver has michael porter jr. now his backs all screwed up. So we don't know. But the as michael puerto denver and michael porter jr. nicole yokich where where is tobias harris fitting in with that. We're on the list of players you can go ahead from the perimeter score and get things going again. Shot up and be dominant from that position. Where would you put. Tobias harris not anywhere near kevin durant james harden and kyrie irving now anywhere near devon booker. Not anywhere near hawaii. Leonard not anywhere near van The mitchell not anywhere near trae young not anywhere near donovan mitchell taking so what are we doing here is tha buys here. Tobias harris going to be that guy if embiid kit go who's going to pick up the slack who's going to be the player for philadelphia that's going to pick up the majority of the twenty four twenty eight twenty eight twenty nine thirty five points scoring. We're not expecting to buy his hairs to all by himself but he he's got to be the main guy. Because as i mentioned before. If you're going to be looking for. Ben simmons to pick up the slack. If you're looking for steph curry to pick up the slack if you're looking for theresa maxi pick up the slack. If you're looking for any by the pick up the slack the philadelphia seventy sixers are going to be making the past. The atlanta hawks. So moving forward the philadelphia. That's a question. You gotta ask. Wendell's world of sports. I'm your host window wallace so glad that you could be with us daily green. If we're speaking about philadelphia embiid is hobbled and people need to step up. And phyllis shoes are you going to be looking at danny green. Because he's done his annual abysmal. Three point shooting streak in the playoffs. I two games against the land. He's one of nine for the three point. Line shooting thirty one percent from the floor. This is not something that's out of character. This is starting to become an annual event by chris. Paul getting injured and Yeah something like that. You know last you. Playoff seasons with the lakers in toronto at the place of gone on danny green has been horrible. What's even more interesting and funnier. If the fact that despite his abysmal shooting in lending nothing in terms of shooting spacing the floor for their teams the lakers and the raptors have overcome that in one championships last season. The finals against miami. He was what the lakers grecia eleven for. Thirty eight from three point range which is twenty seven percents shelter percent of overall. This man was getting death threats. Death threats from idiots idiot laker fans. Maybe some disgruntled gamblers about how bad that. He was doing. Two seasons ago when daily green was with toronto. He shot four twenty three which is fifteen percent for the three point line seventeen percent overall in the conference finals. It gets walkie. And then in the finals against the golden state warriors. He was twelve thirty. Three for twenty six percent at thirty one percent overall from the field. So danny green is do his regular disappearing act in the nba playoffs. If embiid is in dominant. Where are we going here. What are we going to do here in. The hawks are faced bogdanovich. The guy who can get off his own shot. Cappella isn't scared of embiid. He's gonna take to him. So embiid is not going to have the advantage like he had the first round. The playing against someone like daniel gathered or analysis. Lynn where he can kinda arrested. Neil a little bit on the defensive end just clogged the middle. Capella is going to be the guy that's gonna be challenging him on the pick and roll trae young is going to be a challenge him on the pick and roll. He's gonna have to move his feet. The move ladies going to have to move his knees speak about him being capello while not the girth. that joel embiid has is still spry. Quick jumping athletic. Big man that embiid is going to have to be concerned about. Not maybe on the offense side of the ball in terms of back to the basket moves are post moves but keeping him off the glass again. Atlanta's going home for two innings. Elaine has a real shot and give it up for mc nate mcmillan. Who challenged the hawks to play better defense with lloyd. Pierce was gone. And while trae young never going to be a guide to be confused with a defense man with gary payton and tony allen. His effort is its attention to play. Defense has become a lot greater. But nick mcmillan in atlanta is a very underrated defensive defensive team. They've got a lot of versatility under squad got lou williams coming off the bench. They got the novel gallinari coming off the bench. You can provide scoring different angles from different places on the floor. Now deontay hunter had to played because of a knee injury but when healthy he did get three d. guy. I just respected a little bit but those guys are for real in terms of being true contenders to beat philadelphia. Not saying that they're going to do it but again they have the advantage of going back home so we'll see we will see. Don't think that if land it gets passed philadelphia that they have a shot actually brooklyn they would have shot in Milwaukee but then you also have to think that if milwaukee comes back after being blown out like they did in the first two games especially in game two they go ahead and they beat brooklyn. Their confidence has got to be scott. The confidence would be sky high through the roof and a team. That would be playing that well going into eastern conference final. The redemption tour continues and. They're coming off that high. I don't think it would bode well for the atlanta hawks. So nina will take a look at that series but As all right now men getting back to philadelphia the number one seed in the eastern conference the best record in the eastern conference moving forward. Joel embiid shaquille. O'neal two thousand one dominant. You have to be at that level or the way the brooklyn nets. replaying philadelphia. Sixers won't have a chance What does world in sports. I'm your host wonderwall glad that you could be with us talking about what's happening in. The nba playoffs the second round western conference eastern conference. Get into what's going down. There talked about the philadelphia. Seventy sixers talked about the atlanta hawks coach about that series talked about joel embiid. Now let's get into some brooklyn nets versus the milwaukee bucks. I mentioned before game. Three is going to be coming up tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see how the bucks respond after getting humiliated after getting obliterated after getting embarrassed by the brooklyn nets one. Twenty five eighty six kevin durant mentioned before the first segment thirty two points four rebounds six assists twelve of eighteen from the field. Kyrie irving a twenty two points. Read five rebounds dished out six assists net shooting fifty percent from three point range. Fifty two percent overall beatdown from beginning to end it was a joke. It was a laugh. And when i was talking about the seventy sixers talking about the atlanta hawks. Mainly focusing on the seventy sixers in my last efforts in my last segment speaking about the eastern conference semifinals. And i was making the assumption that the philadelphia seventy sixers can make it to the eastern conference finals. I would mainly using the brooklyn nets as a tool to say you know. How are they gonna match-up against the brooklyn nets. How the philadelphia seventy sixers to forbid is not going to be one hundred percent of and beat is not going to be able to dominate. How dairy how. The philadelphia seventy sixers going to fare against the brooklyn nets two games in already in eastern conference semifinals. Dissing the milwaukee bucks thinking that the milwaukee bucks possibly could not come back after the beat them that they received the other night the fact that you know what it wasn't just a one twenty five eighty six beat down. It wasn't just one game wasn't a brooklyn nets doing what they had to do to maintain home court advantage by winning the first two games at home. It was the way that beet down. What delivered. And if you take a look at the past history of the milwaukee bucks then you start to think well wait a minute. How is this going to carry over two game. Three and four in terms of this loss in game. Two for the milwaukee bucks. Actually i lost the have maybe two losses and terms of their competence in terms of their psyche. You take look luton do the toronto raptors in eastern conference finals losing four games in a row two years ago last year the bubble losing to the miami heat and five games now with the way the brooklyn netra playing. There's a strong possibility that this could be a four-game sweep and the semi finals. That was supposed to be the team that was going to win. That series was going to win the championship. All of a sudden now. It looks like it's very much mediocre very much over how the bucks responded that criticism always say. I always say for the most part. Look we just speaking about professional athletes. Especially when you're speaking about teams or players individuals athletes who play at such a high level. If you're speaking about forest is the milwaukee bucks all of this nonsense about the outside noise. Let me tell you something. These guys don't give who chasse about what i'm thinking about what i'm talking about. What my opinions are they. Don't give a damn about talk. Radio don't even give a damn so much about the fans. These guys are gonna be isolated. These guys are going to be insulated from the outside noise from the track from people say they're no good this that and the other. That's not going to be the problem. The problem for the milwaukee bucks. What's gonna be going in playing at home. Realizing the beat them that they received. Then what's going to be happening. Kevin durant couple of jumpers. What happens if you ever start shaking breaking mukhin and dukhan shchukin and going through the line and doing this type of thing. What happened if brooklyn continues to play at the level that they're playing at right now. How the confident level doesn't care about what's going to be settled milwaukee. Sports talk radio doesn't matter what's going to be served by fools in the blog doesn't matter what's gonna be settled social media matter what's going to be about the opinionated pieces in the press doesn't matter about any of that stuff it's once you get on the and once you start playing basketball and you have that opponent in front of you. All of a sudden other nonsense is going to be blocked out. Not-i'm anywhere during the game with the milwaukee bucks winning losing or anything else are these guys will be sitting there on the court in between free throws sitting there going. Gee i remember what that person said in the comics comments on twitter. Oh my goodness gracious that. That doesn't happen not gonna happen as a matter of the brooklyn nets imposing their will in crushing the belief and the confidence of the milwaukee bucks. How the bucks to maintain their belief and confidence when if the brooklyn nets continued to play the way that the plane of course your home proud you have the extra set of but still. How are the brooklyn nets or cuny. How are the milwaukee bucks. Go to respond to that and again this is going to be a game where brooklyn is going to be playing without james harden and this was a beatdown of such proportion without james harden. Where again it's going to happen to walk thinking goodness gracious. What are we. what are we doing. It almost reminds me. If you think about it it might be when. I was thinking about this game between brooklyn and the milwaukee bucks brought me back to two thousand and one in brought me back to two thousand and one. It reminded me of the western conference finals. Between the san antonio spurs in the los angeles lakers. And if you remember if you don't remember that alerts up listen if you remember in two thousand one. The two best teams in the nba at that time record wise and really as far as the entirety of the nba is. Were the san antonio spurs in the los angeles lakers. I think that year that ten antonio won fifty eight games walter. Listen one fifty. Seven games and timothy. Tonio had some success during the regular season against kobe. And shaq those guys. Derek fisher and those guys during the regular season so the team of tim duncan dave robinson and antonio daniels in sean elliott and those guys in daily ferry. Those guys finito coach by gregg popovich in the in the rhythm in the space in the time and place where san antonio and the lakers providing for dynasty status. This was going to be the series that was going to determine who was going to win the nba championship. Now unlike the milwaukee bucks in the brooklyn nets which is a conference semifinals. This example giving you between the lakers and the spurs back in two thousand and one. This was a western conference final energy solely eastern conference that the winner. I believe it was either going to be toronto or it was gonna be. I know philadelphia's either playing toronto or who i forgot who else. They played in the eastern conference finals. But no match for either. The spurs or the lakers. So this was the defacto championship series right here and everybody was expecting this epoch. Seven game series between these two teams in the nba. And you had the david robinson versus shaquille o'neal match up in tim. Duncan was a superstar. Almost getting their franchise player almost getting there but already qualified already solidified as one of the better players in the nba. You had kobe and shaq dynamic that drama that response Going around so this was supposed to be a titanic heavyweight match. That was gonna go seven games. And this and the other the spurs at home court advantage this any other well too be the long story. Not as long the los angeles lakers and you remember blew out absolutely destroyed absolutely ripped. The heart absolutely eviscerated absolutely dismantled. The san antonio spurs in four games and i remember watching games three and four at s me staples center games one or two were played and san antonio and look lakers. Won the first game going away. I believe by double figures in there. Were competitive but early on you saw a series of oh man the lakers have hit their stride doing their thing. Because you know you had to kobe and shag. Nonsense you guys. Not getting along the lakers. Starting slowly and taking the regular season off. And all this kind of stuff and the spurs you know being very professional consistent team somehow someway. We were going to equate these success. That the spurs had against the lakers during the regular season to bowl over and move over to the conference championship. Though this was this is what the reason why. Even though man the man they had the two most dominant players at that time. Speaking about the lakers kobe and shack that because of team play because of the system. And everything like that. In the lackadaisical inconsistency and lack of chemistry that the los angeles lakers head of the time that this was again going to be a heavyweight fight to determine who was going to move onto the championship and beat whoever came out of the eastern conference in four or five games. So the lakers put the smackdown on. Beat them be. The my there were beaten. They stepchildren and i remember game three to four. The final scores were one eleven. Seventy two in one eleven to eighty two and the one thing that i remember clear as just happened fifteen minutes ago the look of just after loot dismay it looked like the looks on the faces at the bench on the bench. At derek fisher. Continue to hit corner threes over and over and over and over again and it was almost fatal complete that the series was going to be a route. That the lakers were the highly superior team in that the spurs had absolutely no chance as lead continue to grow and it got twenty and then twenty five and then thirty and thirty five in the fourth quarter. The looks of bewilderment in dismay on the faces of tim duncan and david robinson both gained three and four. They look punchdrunk. They looked like someone you know. What a boxer. I is knocked out and they have the look on their face. Like where am i what's happening. What's going on. That was the look the stare that david robinson and tim duncan were giving the camera showed them giving at the lakers continue to whip their ass and the crowd was going into a frenzy and going crazy it was just what the fuck just happened. How do we get here. One in the hell happened. And i bring up their story to say. This could be very easily the same type of scenario for the two thousand twenty one eastern conference semi-final playoff rounded the eastern conference between the brooklyn nets and the philadelphia seventy sixers where seemingly brooklyn nets in the milwaukee bucks where what was supposed to be. I title match heavyweight match between two teams itching to go to the nba finals and having the ability to win it. When it looks like the district would be one big major blow out so we will see we will see man going home. The box emmy whether you lose by four or forty a boot. Putin holder said a loss still a loss and really if the buffs played their cards right again. It's only just one game in brooklyn only health service. All it takes is one game all it tastes four milwaukee going back home winning this game then all of a sudden now. The story lines are going to be reading. Does milwaukee have no walkie founder. Juice has milwaukee founder group. Has milwaukee found. Their confidence was going on now. With james harden all of a sudden out of james harden injury situation becomes that much more prevalent becomes that much more serious for the brooklyn nets a kit of course depending upon what happens if they bill welke bucks comeback to well. Milwaukee blows out the seventies Blows up the yet brooklyn nets by fifteen twenty twenty-five our we've got something here then. Everything changes then the narrative changes and the changes quickly just on one victory if you remember the nineteen ninety eight. It'd be a final between was ninety. Six ninety eight. I whatever the game. I think it was game. Four in the utah jazz in the chicago. Bulls where i think the bulls with michael jordan. Pippen and steve kerr those guys. I think it was game for chicago center or whatever. They're whatever chicago whatever. They were playing their home games. They blew out the jazz. Like ninety eight to fifty four some nonsense like that ninety eight to fifty four yet. The jazz scored fifty four fifty six somewhere around there. It was either fifty four fifty six. It was it was embarrassing. It was horrible. The bulls had a three one lead jordan. Jordan was doing a thing and everybody reliable. This should is over after after a beatdown like this. We know that. Jordan inguinal evening give a smidgen of hope for the utah jazz to come back in game five and do anything. Pop the champagne. Let's get things going while utah. Jazz came back. The next game wanted one game five at chicago stadium then came back to utah where they lost. When michael jordan committed offense filed by pushing off on brian. russell do hit the aleph elbow extended jumper to win the basketball game and their six championship for the chicago. Bulls so my thing is is that hey man even just because one team looked absolutely horrible and terrible and guess we can kind of go back and rifled through and take a look at the history of the milwaukee bucks in the playoffs over the last couple of years. That i'm not. I'm not ready just yet. The say that this is a blow out that this is gonna be bullshit that this is gonna be you know when non-competitive series. I still think going back home. If the milwaukee bucks to look impressive in win game three then we've got something going here. Then we've got ourselves a series. Then we have to hope. The fingers crossed that possibly. Maybe maybe that. The eastern conference semifinals between at brooklyn nets. And milwaukee bucks can live up to all of our heightened expectations when the world is sports. I'm your host wonderwall so glad you could be with us a beautiful evening here. But i'm doing some recording this now after the phoenix suns beat up on the denver nuggets. The game is just over after. Wake up about four hours. But i wanted to go ahead and get some thoughts and opinions about the blowout that i just saw between the sons and the nuggets with the nuggets. Basically saying fuck it. We're done we're gonna go ahead back. Oh to and see what we can do. The whole serve so call it getting into the western conference as far as the nuggets and the sons are concerned. But i i wanna talk about the utah jazz beating in los angeles clippers metric before the great competitive game intense game. One one twelve to one zero nine. The jazz overcame a terrible shooting. First half to outscore. La sticky five forty nine in the second half thirty two to nineteen in the second quarter donovan. Mitchell was absolutely positively undeniably outstanding in the game. Thirty two points in the second half fully five for the game it was gain two was going to be tomorrow tomorrow night or later on today. Whatever whenever you're watching this what are listening to this. Whatever the one thing i will be talking about in this series and it's to be a good series is going to be a competitive series as i mentioned before in the first segment one. I thought that the clippers coming off the ruling seven game series against the dallas mavericks ran out of gas. But now they're going to have themselves acclimated give a couple of days to gather themselves get themselves a new opponent in terms of what they need to do to combat that to look over film. Do those type things also for the utah jazz to get more acclimated with the team that there won't be playing a lot tougher than the memphis grizzlies. A lot to prove that only what the utah jazz. But also with the baltimore clippers. I will say that it's probably fall. The teams that are left in the playoffs right now for the nba. That the los angeles clippers have the most approved the fact that you have quieted paul george. The the redemption tour of paul george continues even though it hit a speed bump last night. If you take a look at all of the baggage that the clippers took from last season where the boasting neighbor bragging. They were sticking their chest and they were talking about how great they were before they won anything. Then the absolute collapse that they had against the denver nuggets to lose a three one lead into ultimately glued to syria in the bubble and all the nonsense that came from that and even some of the fighting in between players. Some of the players from the old regime clashing with some of the superstars from the new regime. Quite get to pick and choose what he wants to do. Why are we running on time when we were so successful before running on los angeles clippers time so there was that dynamic. How much leeway. Doc was giving both paul george in quieter. Basically do whatever they want. Not so much. Quite leonard but paul george damn lisa while leonard when a couple of championships but the hell the paul george ever done to receive all star treatment. That doc was giving him so going into the season. Do coaching change bringing in tyler off the from the assistant role to becoming the head coach making the necessary changes bringing in luke kennard bring against tobacco baca letting go the sixth man up the year mantras herald near the end of the trade deadline. The season making a move to ship out the lou williams so a lot things going on a with the los angeles clippers the expectation that has needs to be met by the los angeles clippers in the is a steve balmer. The owner of that team so a lot of things riding with the clippers. So there's a lot to play for a lot of the plane for all these teams in terms of just willing to championship number one. But if you're taking a look at the team that's probably under the hottest spotlight this going. Be the los angeles clippers so for later on today or tomorrow. Whatever you're going to be taking a look at it when they play thursday night in salt lake again. I suspect saying the same type of intensity the same type of competitive spirit from both teams. It'll be interesting to see in the first half if the utah jazz. Shoot a lot better from the three point line than they did. This past game one were the first half they missed. What twenty one consecutive shots. They went two thousand eighteen houston rockets in terms of missing shots in a row. And that you have the los angeles clippers letting go thirteen point. Lead in the second half was a situation. Where quin snyder in jazz made the adjustments or wasn't a situation where it truly the los angeles clippers ran out of gas. Are they going to be able to survive. Survived speaking about the utah jazz continuing to play rudy. Go bear when the clippers go small and you have the lineup. For instance of terrorists man. Luke kennard paul. George kawai leonard in such a small ball lineup. The inability for the clippers to exploit the jazz in rudy gobert when jordan such were on the perimeter on a pick and roll switch especially on the left side. The clippers were unable. Paul george playoff on able to make them pay for that during the crunch time moments in the fourth. Quarter if If it's gonna to come down to that again we'll paul george. I mean bruni. Go bears defensive player of the year third time to four years but he mainly the defensive player of the year because of his ability to guard the paint in guard around the basket and intimidate and do those types of things is not so much about being on the perimeter guarding people. One on one. So when this happens again will paul george be able to take advantage of that. What other situations what. Other changes will lanark at the same amount of minutes. Despite the fact he shot well his defensive liabilities. Were floor on full-bore when the jazz mitchell decided that every single time down the florida the fourth we're going to switch to have good garden and he got torched all of those things. I'm going to be looking to see what happens in game. Two between the clippers and utah jazz. Windows world is sports. I'm your host one to wallace so glad you could be with us but what. I'm also interested in in also focusing on and also concentrating on his donovan. Mitchell number five becoming a superstar right before our eyes merging game one thirty two points in the second half forty. Five for the game was great. That's wonderful that's awesome sixteen for thirty shooting. Six fifteen from the three point line and we talked about in the guy talking about this. On the telecast about you know donovan mitchell scoring another forty points in a playoff game. Let's unbelievable that's awesome. He's now had four forty point games in this last thirteen playoff games. He's already had as many forty point. Playoff games during his career with the utah jazz. Three four years. How many games has he played in the playoffs. They mentioned before thirteen so his forty point outbursts has already equal the number of forty point performances by jazz. A carl malone whose as you might know. Let me explain to you. Ask for right now. The secondly scored in history. Yeah carl malone might have had forty points in a playoff game. He did that Four times it took him a hundred ninety. Three playoff games over nineteen seasons to get to four donovan. Mitchell already. has that in thirteen games. And look i. I know what everybody's going to say you know. What no big deal when we were speaking about you know what the adjusted measurements so grading such feats as a scoring fees and everything like that. With today's game you can sit there and say with carmello did a lot more impressive than with donovan. Mitchell did you sit there. You know the emphasis on the three point shot. The free flowing off are being played now in the nba. The lack of dominant big man freedom of movement. I know that skewed off at the numbers kind of similar to what the nfl as far as the passing game concerned remember back in the day for my generation where we were sitting around a guy threw for three hundred yards in the game. Even four hundred yards in the game was like super impressive. Like when someone. When i was growing up way back when and you know days of of with maybe the exception of of dan marino affected when someone threw for four hundred yards. It was something where it was like. Stop the presses man. This is unbelievable. We got to go ahead and talk about all these type of things now. There's no big deal when you see someone so for four hundred yards in the game because the way the offense has been built with the rule changes have skewed to the offense the way the passing game come into play but when the fact that you can't touch receiver until he's five yards down the field the way that you breathe on a quarterback or of your breathe on a wide receiver that either gonna be ruffling the passer or pass interference all of the ways that the game is opened up the fact that now. There's a lot of quarterbacks. Were averaging three hundred yards per game. There's a lot of quarterbacks out there there are now passing for four hundred yards a game. So if you're taking a look and you say. Wow patrick mahomes doing this. And he's doing that number believable all these four hundred yard games three hundred yard gains and he's already got this amount of yards compared to dan marino had to play x amount of gains in x. Amount years before he could hit that milestone or the same with john. Elway or seen with any of these great quarterbacks. Those from that era of elway in kelly in marino such will sit there and say well. Yeah but back in the day when those guys a quarterback could actually cover a receiver and it wouldn't be called pass interference. Now you could. I don't know when bam arena. Went back the pass. When john elway went back to pass. Guess what you can actually tackle him. You could actually treat him like the football player in. It wasn't a fifteen yard penalty. How about that. Wow so there's this all this other minutia that they give to say the quarterbacks of the today throwing three hundred four hundred yards. It's no big deal because of the rule changes and such you take four hundred passing game for ten of last season. The three of them were by dak prescott even through for five hundred yards the second week of the season against seattle. So now you have kirk cousins. And you have debt prescott cordray patrick mahomes and you have met ryan matthew stafford and you have joe burrow have murray and have josh allen doing it twice you have patrick mahomes doing it twice guys like ryan stafford and joe burrow and kirk cousins. Those aren't the elite of the league's. I mean these extraordinary numbers to be set for the all time break for the generational great quarterback for the hall of fame quarterback. Now you have random. Run of the mill rookies in average quarterbacks throwing for four hundred yards In a game in a season so it's not really big of a deal. My point is by bringing data by bringing up those numbers bring up that analogy as to compare it now with these nba players who are scoring forty points. A game when jordan and kobe. Dominique wilkins and those guys were put up. Forty points in the game. It would be unbelievable. It'd be great. I mean lead the sportscenter. It'd be doing all of those things. When jordan with forty when jordan was fifty when the iceman will do all these things and yeah jordan led the league with thirty seven points per game one year. Kobe led the league with thirty points one year. And all those type of things back when scoring forty or scoring fifty a monumental achievement but still it was a situation. Where wow that was awesome. Now you guys putting up forty points a gain you have guys not forty eight game but you have guys scoring forty points you have died four fifty points a awards get okay. that's fine. no big deal. You know any other sure no problem but mitchell. I don't care. I don't care that mitchell pulling those numbers i don't care you can use all of the big deals and back in the day and back when the nba was for real and back when the when the nba used to play defensive back when the nba used to have big men and all this kind of stuff. You can make all of the excuses that you want to donovan. Mitchell performance pulling the forty points a game. It'd be the amount of time that he's been playing in. The playoffs is extremely impressive. I don't care what angle care. What avenue you go by. I don't care what judge you have to look over the matter. It's awesome last season in the playoff against denver. Jamal murray put on a show for the ages. Reminiscent up gained. Seven between lebron. James and paul pierce reminiscent of gained seven in the playoffs between dominique. Wilkins in larry bird. But those guys did it for a couple of games. The put those type of numbers last season two of the three forty point games that donovan mitchell hat. Yeah they were losses but it was only because jamal murray was just as proficient just as outstanding in terms of scoring points is concerned when donovan mitchell has fifty seven points which was most in the playoff game sense. What when michael jordan scored sixty three at the boston garden. Everybody likes to rant and rave about that. Well guess what one thirty five one. Thirty one in double overtime. The chicago bulls lost. Mitchell had fifty seven point. Two people will sit there and talk about no big deal that's really empty stats because the utah jazz. Lost that game will. If you're going to have that they're better. You might also want to say the same thing about jordan scoring sixty three in the boston garden against the defending champions so donovan. Mitchell is awesome. Been thirty nine. Forty point games says twenty nineteen. I read the step jamal. Murray has six of them. Look at dodger has five of them. Donovan mitchell hawaii leonard. Kevin durant had four damian. Lillard have three. James harden. Jimmy butler jason. Tatum are the only other players that have multiple forty point outage during that span. So we're talking about a couple of years it's awesome. I think it's incredible. And i think speech to the fact that the skill level in the nba. Right now it's off the charts in this great as it's ever been without question without question whatsoever and people want maybe take a look at the negatives about what was only become a three point shooting league and these guys don't play any defense. I remember all that bullshit before that the nba. These guys don't play defense. I remember watching the nba with the showtime lakers and then used to get upset about the pundits and people when they were downgraded the nba talking bad about the nba. Y because they will always say when the los angeles lakers running. Fast-breaking do showtime and putting up one hundred and twenty one hundred twenty five points a game. What were people saying. Well big fucking deal the nba especially during the regular season. The teams don't start playing defense until the fourth quarter who get the fuck. I mean you know you're putting up all those numbers who cares teams. Don't start playing defense until the playoffs. Remember that scene from airplane. Where kareem abdul-jabbar. What captain and he had that little kid. He was trying to be roger and the kim's like no. You're cleaning bar he goes. No no no. My name is roger and kendall. Your bytedance says you don't try hard enough on defense and i mean that's has been the that has been the stereotype for the nba for awhile so the nba. It's always the you're always gonna find some some fault some put down some denigration of the nba. Let some of these guys are doing. Let me l. The triple double down luca. Danni get the triple double and everybody's dazzling the st. Louis martin van dallas russell. Westbrook gets triple double. Everybody says it's hollow and it really doesn't care it. Only essentially more of what i'm saying about how the nba skewed so much to the offense that triple doubles don't mean anything anymore. Don't care about that stuff man donovan. Mitchell is doing thing. And he's proven that he could become a franchise player in the numbers that he's putting up. I don't care what era. I don't care what the rules are. Forty points in a game and forty points in the game. I don't care if flip. I don't care if all of a sudden for game to the los angeles clippers because of coping issues. Have to go ahead and bring on the floor. Wendell wallet dave o'neil mckell davis hate the weather steve smith as the starting five. Those are all my great friends growing up. Who are now fifty seven years old and one that has been dead for a while. But i don't care if they bring in me o'neal cliff glover hayden winter. St smith stu levy flavius galloper. And i don't give a damn and give a damn donovan mitchell would that's what probably go for a hundred. Now sit there and be like damn. That's pretty fucking impressive. Damn so this. Don't be knocking. Stop knocking stopped looking for ways to denigrate or dismiss the greatness of not just donovan mitchell but also. These great young players are what they're doing in the league today. It's mentioned before. Mint when everybody believed was as great as it's ever ever been in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s. When you had lakers in you had the celtics in you had the seventy sixers and the new head. The pistons had the milwaukee bucks and you had the atlanta hawks and the ad the phoenix suns. And you had the denver. Nuggets new had all of these teams. That are really good. Of course the lakers. And the celtics. Were the creme de la creme during that era but if the if you take a look if you take a look at it man such guys kurt rambis. Those guys couldn't play those guys those type of guys complain the nba and today because every single player on that team on the teams today. Every single starter. Every single player of significance of importance as a skilled player and glad glad that pat riley was talking about hustle and determination is a skill. And that's why kirkman is underrated. The pro player when he was with the eighties lakers. There's no way that kurt rambus with his skill set. Everybody was his skills. Like james landsberger with the skill set like cedric maxwell with the skill set. There's no way no how that those guys to be able to compete in today's nba. Even if you even if you bring in the next generation of guys like that so credit rambles who was at the time six eight to thirty five. You put him in today's game. Let's say today's game days culture of human beings. That kurt rambis would be guys would be like six ten to fifty to fifty five to sixty with more athletic ability but fact that he couldn't shoot the fact he did look to shoot the fact that his main job with the hustle set screens take charge and get rebounds that's not working in today's nba game. Mark rowley who about six nine six ten to twenty to thirty power forward who was next to a cold well jones. An moses malone during the seventy sixers run in the eighties during the early part in the eighties with the sixers once. I don't know sixty something gains and might've been arguably the best team of the eighties. Nineteen eighty two eighty. Three squad with moses malone at the height of his career may those guys can be able to plan today's game. There's no room from bar. I've aronie as far as any type of role in a situation like that. There's no way that someone like low andrew. Tony would be different. But i mean one of his every player on the court today. they have to be skilled. They have to be able offensively to do something with the basketball. Make a shot. Do something is not then. They're not going to be playing. So you're looking at donovan. Mitchell doing what he's doing in today's game the age and experience of what he's doing the legacy that he starting to build the name that he's starting to build in terms of the basketball animals the history of the nba right now. It's impressive and i think that now always in utah. He's not with the knicks. he's not the bulls. He's not one of defeats the featured teams of the nba. He's not what of the glamour. Boys he's not with electric. He's not with the clippers. Paid attention to what donovan mitchell. Skinny pay attention to what donovan mitchell was doing. This guy's gonna be one of the faces of the leave. Can you have one of the faces of elite. Be playing for the utah jazz. Donovan mitchell as well spoken he's articulate. He's intelligent he has charisma. He's got a great game for the youngsters to emulate From what i know from the outside looking in there's never been reports of him Impregnating women driving while drunk putting four substances up his nose or into his veins no incidents of him going to massage parlors and doing some kinky stuff but the massage therapist or or anything like that. He's not doing his massages via the via the instagram. Or anything like that. So from the outside looking in from what we know of donovan. Mitchell has a pretty strong squeaky clean image. And if we're speaking about lebron's going to be thirty six we have these other guys moving out who's gonna be the next guy who's gonna be the next generational great player. Who would the nba gonna be hanging his hat on. Of course you always start with luca. Cordial didn't go design. According goto jaanus take a look at some of the up and coming superstars under the age of twenty five by goodness gracious. Man you got devon boca. John moran you got jason tatum. The guy jaylen brown. You got jamal murray. You got trae young. You've got a bunch of young cats who are right now proven that you know what was lebron start to finally slowdown. What's kevin durant is thirty six thirty seven once chris. Paul finally hit forty wants. All of these guys finally start to slow down. Hard game is ingredients it. Oh did i mention the mvp. The league the copays. I think it's about twenty five twenty six also in with his game. He's got another ten to twelve years of excellence left and him. Also buca dante's at the age of twenty two. He's got another ten to fifteen years of experience top three nba type ability left in left in him. Also leads ingredients in right there right there with all those guys is donovan mitchell. windows rolled the sports. I'm your host window wallace so glad that you could be with us. You taking a look where mitchell drafted in two thousand seventeen was what number thirteen take. A look at the draft picks pin number one marquel halts fuller seventy sixers. And you'll you don't think that they would like to have done mitchell. Owner team of you could redo this draft. What are we looking at here. Number one number two picks be what devon mitchell than jason tatum. Then possibly bam on the value of taking a look at some of these picks markle foltz lonzo ball. Those two guys are no longer on the same team. That drafted him. Lakers drafted lonzo. He'd gone when they trade. For anthony davis marco foltz Has been a Anthony bennett type of disappointment as far number one draft picks concern other players who were drafted before. Take a look at some of these players man. Just take a look at the name of some of these players. If you're a fan of the phoenix suns or via landau magic or the chicago bulls or dare i say the new york knicks. Take a look at these situations man. Take a look at the players that the that your organization drafted before drafting donovan. Mitchell phoenix drafted. Josh jackson number four out of kansas orlando magic. Dropped drafted jonathan. Isaac number. six. Who missed the entire year this year with nasc- l. He could turn out to be a really good defender. But he's not gonna come close to reaching the levels in heights of donovan mitchell. The way mitchell is going right now. The chicago bulls elected lowering market in an era zona. The new york knicks. Your new york. Knicks your new york knicks with phil jackson selected flipping. Frank milligan tina. Why because he would fit perfectly into the triangle offense all the new york knicks right now. Who are celebrating. Who were who were rolling. Who are begging seeing what they need to get themselves the second superstar now that they have a team that is working to be in the playoffs. Told them about damian lillard talking about bradley beal they're talking about what they can do to go ahead and get themselves a superstar pair up with julius randle. How nice how sweet how wonderful it would be if you guys can go ahead and you guys were drafted donovan mitchell instead of frank flipping latina number eight. The dallas mavericks. A number eight number number eight was the next draft kina number nine. The dallas mavericks selected. Dennis smith junior out of north carolina state played one year. Mike godfrey cheated disaster off to get him into school a subpar year but because he could jump heine was a baron. Davis had a baron davis type of a physique that the mass coaching staff skeleton staff. Donnie nelson mark. Cuban recall outset. Yeah dennis smith junior over donovan mitchell. Yeah that makes sense. The detroit pistons drafted luke canard the same luke canard that was roasted toasted in birch by donovan mitchell in the second half in game one so i find it quite funny. I find it quite hilarious. How all of this went down. But donovan mitchell. Giving done wendell's world sports. I'm your host window wallace. Zo glad to be with us very quickly. Because i will get out of here. The phoenix suns taking two series lead over the denver nuggets. I'm just gonna play you this right here game two for denver that performance that another game. What can i say. Guess you could say it was. Milwaukee gained two of his brooklyn light in terms of their performance. In terms of their effort gets phoenix. Just started this. About what time is it right. Now than lord have. Mercy talked about forty five minutes after the game is over. They lost one. Twenty three to ninety eight but i did get an opportunity to get some sound from nuggets head coach. Michael malone in the press conference that he gave the post press conference that he gave in talking about the performance of his team in the way that he verbally ask what those guys eviscerated destroyed. Those guys what michael malone did. He gave a hall of fame post conference speech in terms of the verbal. Aselton that that asks weapon that he gave them arrival the aspen. That wonderful anne. Marie wallace gave me when i was about nine years old was caught stealing candy from a grocery store and man when i got home my mom tore my ass up and then when my dad got home found out that what about what i did. Then he came in my room in tore my ass up. That was all hall of fame as whooping received. Guess what never told candy again. Let's learn But so yeah the verbal open that michael malone gave his squad. Wendell murray wallace my parents would be very proud of that. Be dan that verbal beat them he gave. It started off with the question of you know basically coach what what happened at the start of the second. Half that the game to route for phoenix with that question. It was showtime for michael malone. This is how it sounded slug. One team that wanted to be here and play with a purpose urgency and once in the did not want to be here and play with no urgency an 'slowly gutter. S kids eighty wenjie altitudes alerts coach when they're sinking as much as they did defensively tonight. What can you do to counter that especially when you are hitting shots from deep to watch film we allow guys play really bad tonight And then we allow the impact of not making the shot to effect on the other end and it was really a mean play basketball. Can you sit down and guard one on one There was this was just an embarrassing performance. All the way round from top to bottom toady. Nine news denver. Was there anything michael you talked about. What the back or anything has feeling after. Did he look right to you tonight. Mark denver post it coach Will barton gave a little early on minutes restrictions. What more can you. How much do you utilize. Well going forward yay know. That was probably the only silver lining to a really rough. Might all the way round. His was will barton who hasn't played in over seven weeks in his first game. Goes there gives you ten and three on gave us a a bolt of energy in that first. S makes the three blocks the shot And he hated me right. Took them out is a reaches minute restriction. And i understand that. I just told our players. It's embarrassing that a guy that has enabled to play for seven weeks without they're leaving it all on the line and i don't think anybody else did. This wasn't embarrassing performance For myself all the way through the last player were walking out of fear of their heads. Held down rightfully. So there's a reason that they're crowd is yelling sons in floor and the cough for sweet because we play like this academic ver- of this is gonna be really quick series. Ashley neville mile towards a coach chris. Paul had fifteen assists and zero turnovers. Tonight i know that you know as you mentioned before that in costa in the past and what he brings to the game but What what are you seeing from them. And why isn't Dot well yeah. He's a he's a great player is one of the greatest duty deposition I think game one year eleven assists one turnover. Ac- crispell see us. He doesn't feel us And will not impacted what he's trying to do in any way shape or form ashley and i think you could say. They're pretty much for the phoenix suns roster of. They've had their way with us on both ends of the court. I felt we quit tonight. which is something. You never wanna see So i guess for game three. I'm just going to try to find guys at will at least go out there and leave it all on the line may have a hard time coming up with five guys that. Fill that but These two games. These second half's Never really been disappointing. And that's an understatement. Crystal away denver coach with so many things frustrating even understandably sell do focus more on the emotional energy that type of stuff for more xs and os over the next. You know forty five hours or whatever. I think it's probably a combination. You know the always have to look at the whole side of it. You know what we're not doing. Well a why we continue to make some of the same mistakes over and over and over which is beyond me When you spend three day leading up to game one. He spent all day yesterday this morning. Going into game two guys seemed to have really hard time understanding while they're supposed to be doing And don't think that we've done before allegations something new of then you've the as you mentioned. There's also the emotional side of it. A tangible z- Literally is slow guys. yeah. I'm not making shots tonight. I'm just gonna walk around and moat in my body. Language is gonna be poor. And i felt that was a vibe guys on the court. That was the twelve guys. On the on the sideline. We had no juice no energy. No passion no fight no No grit come up with whatever adjective you want to us. We do not have it and again us. They were going home for game three as use of rely upon. We have a great crab but if we play like this they're going to off the court rightfully so so they're gavitt brutal booth honest though i mean there was nothing sitting there where he didn't say anything i mean i. I can't believe that the players would have listened to that midnight. Well gee whiz man what is he talking about. I understand what you mean by that. I thought that he completely wrong. I don't think we quit. I thought we played well. I think we were ready to play. I cannot believe that any player on the denver nuggets after that performance would say like that so just some of the highlights from what he said. I saw one team that wanted to be here. That played with a purpose. Emergency in won t. The did not want to be here in plate with no urgency. And that's why we got our asses kicked. We had a lotta guys play really bad tonight. And then we allow the impact of not making the shot to affect the other end and it was really. This was just an embarrassing performance. All the way around top bottom. He included himself not like he was sitting there all about. I don't know what i did. I put them in the right position. I mean i told them what to do. They didn't do it. The look at me had no idea even throughout the cue word throughout the fact that the team quit during the game with the quote. I felt we quit tonight. Which is something you never want to see. So i guess for game three. I'm just going to try to find guys that will at least go out there and leave it all on the line it may. I may have a hard time coming up with five guys to fill that but these two games. These second halves have really been disappointing in. That's an understatement. Just think what he said to the team. Afterwards i don. I don't even know in a situation like this. That yelling screaming throwing things cursing out. I mean in a situation like that. I mean if i have to do all that type of stuff then we absolutely have no chance that maybe i'm not the right guy for the job. I mean if if if i have to be that man after that performance were not going to sit there and be like wow. That's surprising. I can't believe you got that. We have to. We got beat light that in the way we played like that. So it's a situation where you just talked to a man to man. You just talk to them like a man like a bunch of and say man fellas. We're gonna go out then you know. Fuck it spooked. Let me know. We'll see some of the other stuff and you can't use. Hey we're going to go home for game. Three is something you can rely upon. We have a great crowd but we play like this. They're gonna boo us off the court rightfully so we'll barton was the only guy that was saved from the verbal beatdown. That michael malone gave his cave his team. And i don't think it's a situation where we using the press. I'm gonna be using this as motivation. If you're dealing with men. And you're dealing with guidelines the kokage in paul bill sap and these guys i mean i think these guys have the pride in them to where they really don't have to go ahead and be motivated or be shook up or be you know any any ulterior situation for me would be like look happy what what can i say. What can i do what tactic can use. So i'm just going to be brutally honest. i'm gonna need myself and make the adjustments need to be better. Get them in a better position. Get them better ready to play. And then i'll go ahead and go. I enjoyed the honesty from malone not once in that five and a half minute press conference. Did he ever say hey. You know. Give finish credit. They were better tonight than the other a lot of times. These coaches feedings may shots or teammates. Played this that and the other wasn't anything like that. It was all about the fact that they stunk up the joint. They weren't competitive. He was talking about guys hanging their heads and having the lack of offense or having the Having their shots stuff falling affect the way they play on defense which was a direct shoutout to michael porter jr. It was it was just battle all the way around and yeah it was surprising the back for any after the game when asked about the back michael malone said it it's fine you know the one that bullshit about back issues or anything like that but clearly being. I don't think michael. Michael porter jr. has put the ball on the floor more than five or six times. He's namely now catch and shoot the player whether he rolling off screens to catch the ball at the at the foul line or found extend the top two key jumper or makes lee. he's just a Catch and shoot three point shooter but his lack of just trying to create anything as offensively. You could tell that his back is giving in pro. His problems his lack of dribbling. I mean he's making he's making klay thompson looked like a ball stopper in terms of his lack of dribbling. So yeah it's it's you want to. Denver is in trouble. Because i don't think that denver can come out and play like that in front of their home crowd but man something's gonna change. You're you're right. It was It's gonna be a quick series but kudos. The michael malone for laying down laying down lay down hard. Very few coaches will go ahead and do that. A lot of them will give short hesters gregg popovich mainly says maybe one or two statements and then that's it doesn't even doesn't even answer questions you just give the statement real short like the night fellow doesn't even need to get into the minor. She didn't even need to get into the details. Doesn't need even go in depth about how bad his team play he would just say well. Tonight was a complete beatdown. Give the phoenix suns credit. Our team didn't play. Were terrible and that's about it tonight. So there you go. So michael malone way to deal all right look man. It is now one thirty in the morning. I got wake up at five thirty to go to work. And i'm gonna be groggy in ongoing so i had one more segment where i wanted to talk about what the los angeles lakers were going to do. Going into this offseason. I know the expiration date. By the time i do next podcast might might might pass this. But the lakers are the lakers. There's some things that i'm gonna talk about. Concerning the lakers moving forward there are some things about the new new york. Next that i wanna talk about. There's some things about the dallas mavericks than the wanna talk about moving forward. So what i'll do is i'm going to be putting up another podcast because now for the summer in terms of not going anywhere doing anything in terms of vacation or anything like that boy do. I got some stories about traveling and flying if you're fat in you're out of shape and You know flying to be a really miserable experience especially when you fly a certain airline. Which i'm not going to be giving into now but i will in the future but So yeah for the rest of the summer. I'm going to be concentrating on getting that bad. Boy this podcast up to the next level. And doing what i need to do. Start taking it to the next level so the next podcast will feature of course talking about the nba playoffs unless something crazy happens in the nfl on the back burner. But i won't be talking about my. I'm this talk of bama. Georgetown hoyas man i really do. I miss talking about them. There's some things that have been going on in the off season. Which i want to get into will be later on in the podcast. There's some stuff about high school basketball. That i wanted to get into the summertime. So you know during the dog days. I'm kind of saving some of these topics and some of these discussions for That time period but That's going to be coming up on my podcast. The next one or two or three down the line. So wanna thank you very much for listening. I wanna thank you very much for subscribing downloading doing all those things. My name is wendell. Wallace wendell's world is sports. Be good be strong. Be thoughtful beloved. be carrying. Treat everybody the way you wanna be treated. I'm gone out piece music

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That I hated thought I was back on by the way I couldn't believe that commercial flagged I feel like kb Directa that commercial. Though I probably tweet I was I was incensed absolutely incensed. The whole job too close to home I get the whole. The whole joke was just like the Boston. Awesome accent There's no other Joe. I don't care if we're being portrayed. I prefer to be portrait just like right. What other the joke on top of that? Now you don't need no side with greatness is like this is a grand slam is is highly tall all of them like if a car drove by and backfired. RT's ducked because he thought it was gunshots. That would have been a joke. That would unfunny. I feel like. He's already cracking jokes about it. Might be problem. I think that's a man who fears death. The way data might be the death in his poking in the chest I think he was poking chess and then he beat them again I I I feel like he probably thinks he's run off the scoreboard out there. To what point do you think he knew they were going to lose that game. I don't think he's realized the boy because people like he was saying saying. I guess it was mediaweek again under after in twenty five there's no lead-safe in an immediate. He's like now feel great attended. Ten Run Taya Ballgame so I don't think it registers. He was up twenty ten he had to been like I. I've got a real defence. This time around sounds everything's fine. This is going to end well. We don't have to score any more points. To seal. Victory was wrong. Aw is too big like came before the like on the final driver to molly. Question is trusting rusting. Jimmy Geeta third-down throw that's the only question but before that the going into halftime. That was a mistake at the time. Coming out of halftime. Only taken three was a mistake at the time. Yeah yet teams. That played like cowards. This year paid for it. Pretty across the board a Even Andy Field team was like wait. A minute right yeah he. He was super aggressive early and often on for down When you have moms knock on offense when you trust your offense you should exactly how you should be blind? I think he trusts ten Outta love on the offense. He knows the center in the right guard. Juice Shaker do the job. Jimmy will flip a coin. I I feel like he did trust so just by a dial up that down in by pivoting away from the run as well but he didn't trust them. Dan would not early play right. We call a timeout. We can get something like Nah. We're running now now the three Cassatt like you just didn't trust them all the way to see that more than switching it up for sure for sure especially not on third down but just that whole drive. There was so much when when the when Kansas City scored I was like Of San Francisco just plays their offense which is running the ball like they might they might have not left enough time to get the ball back if San Francisco just like. I was picturing picturing like a giant used to beat us. It was like I meant. We scored with often four four and a half allies gonNA use like three and a half of these score. Morgan Morgan reflect right. I got enough time and instead there was like no no. They're actually going to score multiple more times after after this. I guess just kind of what he does he was running on I. It was fun like ball up like broke down the play by play by play but the last two dry. He'll get the flack for that but they they lost a game much early right because one one of the passes Chris Jones which you can't blame for that like a false start after play at one where Jimmy G. Miskito when he could hit him so like like those issue with execution. But that's part if you know. That's your quarterback. I don't know why they don't third and ten. He's he's going to do what Patrick Mahomes can do. which is on third and Ingo like forty five yards to I regret right? And he had centers to that reminded me of just like missing. Moss like the Saito is incomplete. Obviously they're already trailing at that point. The second is incomplete is like this. Is the winner of the winning team. Can't miss that. Throughout it was like last year gough had wide open people end zone. He just wasn't even looking at like you have to this week. Eight against like the worst team in the opposite conference. You have to make those throats. Let's try and he's he's not dead and there's very few of those got a knock on him but you can get that late in the game the late in the season you gotTa know your personnel as much as you knew that play will work as much as you knew sanders I would open. You GotTa know that your season is on just one throw he can make. This went thirty forty yards downfield thorough. And if he can make that consistently. You're probably probably not in this position right. Sherman Sherman got cooked a few times. You and that touches threw that touchdown aware. It wasn't even his fault but him. Just being face planted in the pylon GAM tough. It's not a great look now he. It took it on a chance he usually does. He takes ill richer but yet not a great look Sammy Watkins Sternum inside inside out. Just chill for a year boy. I want to blow this game so bad. This is unbelievable. We do we really. They do all of our players. Keep dying Thais twisted his ankle. Ease out Jannine look like he tweaks tweaks on. He's still in no smart. No Cambe if the Hawks already Plato's close once this year. Tayside to block try with the game on a Jaylen Brown gymnastics shoes. And then what's going on one time out. Seven was listening to the reason. I didn't touch this game today. Not You glad clincal peddling this better people are wait. Wait with Andre Drummond. I get it like it's a big contract would require a lot more to get him here. Cappella you you have to trade players. Don't even play a along with like a pick because accused rockets refused to pay their the players. The Houston Red Sox don't want any parts of it. Small market teams. Like I'd several were at least two people today. Tell me we didn't need cappella. 'cause we have kanter what now at the people people apparently do know about this people. Multiple people told me he was better at basketball is what they would say. What assault kanner like poor Langford in a pit yet will do the thing? I don't know why Houston would do that. They want like a wind stopper now and I'll just doesn't help them at all right now. No that's why like Memphis picking they know they can immediately To somebody else Doesn't Boston in there. That yeah do that for sure. That's why I was trying to get Like a third team involved like Memphis since they're like talking to the bucks trying to get a first out of them for a while. We have the bucks I this year so of we. Just give them that they give to do Houston and then we take back Cappella and those same players you were just talking about GO TO MEMPHIS I. I would do that as well. Well of course it won't happen but no no more teams you try and added got into a deal especially this time of year like the less it's going to happen. I think Milwaukee's should get COVINGTON. I think a lot of teams go into freak out will it came out today. That is like they want to first round picks and La Salle was like that's absurd but that's it's crazy they'll never pay that he's no great shakes but to Fart like his teams should be if everybody knows this drip systemically bad. Don't even count is exactly what you need. He's locked up for a couple of years. He knows his role like thunder. Should be all loaded the bunks out the pacers pick from that Brogden deal. The Nets got fixed from Golden State and fairly disturbed. Just take them both from the strength Memphis like the Bucks Lake Hark Lewis And COVINGTON's right boy. They just got. Yeah I was trying to think of a way it was like all right. We'll will if where people throw me Minnesota's at our team and we just send our pieces there Basically four HOUSTON HOUSTON GETS COVINGTON because they don't WanNa play anyone over six sixty days and that's how we get on but then house looking at getting bullied by nineteen zero. We WanNA get smaller thirst again. It's it's it's a strategy it certainly a strategy that you cannot argue with watch me browse like why. Don't we COMINGTON. I if it was one first-round pick for it was one number twenty six picking the driver. Everbody it'd be like that's fine but to number twenty six peaks Preposterous Oh yeah. Now that's absurd while who would even consider such forgot. Ah locked about a thing this year to more they just signed. Was I like that few Felton. Like I'm not saying it's a steal but it there's a reason every team wants to eleven this year twelve next year. Thirteen year after the so that under and they've literally hundred picks or should the Pelicans so to many pigs for even roster spots either him hemmed yet. Covington drew. Lonzo's I I on and Ingram as like a five you can run out. There is terrified til ninety Eddie missing same with the thunder thunder. It'd be real interesting Capella just for COVINGTON. And I don't know what Minnesota doesn't Play at the same time because cat. It defied a working as as much as some defensively offensively. It's still working historically well. Defensively historically poor unwitting game Covington. I feel like they're certainly gonNA teams out there especially with how much you can protect fucking any pick. Is someone out there who will definitely give up to two for that eventually. Become like eight seconds and one number twenty seven pig bright like. It's that's why I was surprised but not to Robert. COVINGTON would give up to lottery. Picks Robert Covington. But he's not going to get to lotteries and even then if I'm trying to win this year I'd probably give up to Leonard picks recovered from the bucks right. Now we gotTA show in it. You don't care about the twenty twenty two second round pick from the Pacers coming in you trying to win disappear and decide if he wants to stay forever. That Lob tatum just throw now there's a big bads a word I don't I don't I don't know if if it's a good enough word but certainly a word I can't lose games over thirty points disgusting. Discussing the win isn't even a secure yet. The covers is teetering. What was the land when we were recording with four and a half? So it's a Chris four right now Probably about to be one after trading houses. Three Taina someone wrong yeah. They're very hard as well to himself. He had a better chance of catching it. Don't onto Day was not me. It did not work Denver. The Denver should not COVINGTON. I'd say Portland but I have no idea what their assets and all of the all of the team should be in on Covington Philly Philly's Julianne Covington. Nah that they might need some. Because this this Generational defender Matisse like Spaghetti in spun around on a fourth the other night good. Good God I gotTa Know Horford was the bad seed all along. I've been trying to tell people going at a guy like yeah now still magazine. I was here for a couple of years. Not Pleasant his ass. There's different you're seeing the picture of tatum lighting up like a Christmas tree when he realized install lunch meat on the table he saw honey baked ham. He was Yogi doggy bed. Just bought himself a fresh picnic basket. He just murdered 'em and bad got docked on by a man who had literally never dunk before I don't know what was going on again. Down Bay Irma mentions on on the road on the road. It's it's tough. It's tough eating. He's conduct on Marcus. Smart telling me too little ages run delegates so STOIC Okra. These teams shit going wrong. And it's like you see on and off court fort leadership. Don't wait not saying you don't but do we see sixty right right now. I think I think it's still six Rav of the Pacers last night. So hopefully that helped. Let's see they're getting smacked by the heap. Good five and six row game surprise. Surprise in Boy Tau Horford of minus twenty four and twenty two minutes. That's impressive he worsened. Appoint a minute S.. Simmons is a minus thirty seven. I mean he's been on South Beach with Louis. That Jenner last. What was he what was he to do? I mean that's fine too. He took three apparently. That's good runners. Thirty thirty eight points. Damn twenty nine conversely today Kendrick Perkins Love Kendrick Perkins. He got vindicated a big time by that old clip of Kobe saying he was one of the best post defenders in the League. Not Quite a drug a by saying you're one one of the greatest of all time but close enough close enough. He said the timberwolves near Detroit. Andrew Wiggins to a team of some veteran leadership That'll we'll get them in line. I like the Miami Heat. I don't know if he recalls but I dunno Jerry Butler's get Andrew Andrew Wiggins and line business. Yeah the line of fire. Executions wrote to be shot that gun. Unlock your brother talking all that shit stone. So far the best trade suggestion. I've Seen Embi at twenty nine and twelve and they're down by thirty four points. Chaos going up a smooth one thirty two you still two minutes. Early draft Richardson's outbursts sheesh. Well you didn't say that let's trying to hear about. It was understood that there was going to let the heat play with six players. McKinley was things players overcome his absence. I shall we making sure that the heat don't have six guys on the court. They might be why they waste laugher of a game. The Knicks beat Cleveland. Back Game One thirty nine thirty four good Lord over time tonight Netzer Smoking. AWW Kyrie who could have seen this coming. What are you trying to say Tyler Bashing Kyrie Irving Al Al Horford spread? You don't have any Baynes talk. I got some Baynes. Top of the clippers are trained for. Aw I think everyone should acquire are in Baynes if they have the chance every center that makes under a one million dollars allers is good more than one million dollars is bad centers of the running backs of the NBA. Until you get a real good one evening you pay the really good ones. I'd never played really good running breath not in my life. Not even. If you're like listen we already have fifty two players we have we have. We have to pay one player. Twenty million dollars. It's just the salary floor. That's how well might team is constructed. The only player we do not have as a running back. Can we juice. We'll call him running back. What's what's Buddy for Kentucky in this draft? was his name Lan limbaugh. Yeah Yeah you'd give him a smooth twenty great now now. There's not much to like. I saw it was Kevin o'connors like why would you go get drummer. Who makes like twenty five ties or Deville McGee You're Mexico without one guys are available for one of feels important to point out into. It's like well. Yeah the Celtics can pay them five. Because are paying Kimbe in Gordon Hayward light thirty plus right the Lakers page avail. Four million. 'cause they're praying Lebron eighty thirty dirty but like you make it work other ways. I think it's still valid about trump Article today about driven out but just more appoints about how he's actually bad because they say he grabs contested rebounds but he doesn't box out individually. Did you leave like it doesn't help out the team rebounding numbers. So I did some research. I looked at the numbers always dangerous. I didn't like it either but I felt like it had to be done. Because my quest like the top five or six guys in boxer Robin Lopez. Ed Davis Tony Bradley Balance. Eunice Myers Lyndon Baines fill like at least seven people but go on. Yeah it's a top five or six bucks per thirty six the Like those guys box out other people can grab the rebound. Who's doing that if Andre Drummond? It's not getting got every year. Since he's been a league. I went back Who the second best US rebound on? His team was in where they were a team writing in the League Monroe. For a couple years there were third and fourth in the League in rebounds. Yes and you get to buy his hairs less than half the rebound. They were still second nature John Loor. He had a third of the revenge drama did they were still a fourth me. Get Blake first year. He had six and a half rebounds to drum in sixteen and sixteenth in the League while wonder why when like if he's being the only one told to rebound I wonder why. And if he does the box out put his ass on like Robin Lopez can do that because he knows Jaanus. Grab the rebound right. Yes Stephen Adams Price Stephen Adams while he hasn't played with Westbrook Anymore Shar last year. If you looked at Stephen Adams he was is in that top. Five as well right. So it's like is like Drummond not boxing out because these chasing numbers with maybe a valid concern Rosie Boxing Hopkins's it's like they tell me to do because our second leading rebounder getting like four gang did last team in rebounding drumskin. Sixteen senior game second-best is Christian would get five so yeah it doesn't help the team rebounding I get that but it seems it's like when you put him with a at least one other person can rebound they were like top five in the League in rebounding right and even even with Robin Lopez like all right if you honestly get it. Mike twin Seven foot brother will get it also would all those has won the box out for thirty six. All those guys are playing twenty to twenty five minutes Karai Just different than blame. The thirty five or whatever dramatic plays for sure at another thing. None of those guys are getting ten. Rebounds Meyers Leonard is not grabbing t tails again Robin Lopez. None of them. So it's like are you getting those rebounds because you can't listen Bob. You're not quick enough to get just put your ass on somebody. That's fine drama can do. Both he leaves the league and contested defensive rebounds. So I don't know I just I don't know what he gets in the summer but I don't like what is wise. I get paid this summer. That he's going to be on a string of one year ordeals the rest of his life. I mean that's like you might play the kcpt like that might work at his this one year but just high money. 'cause we don't want long-term the one hundred in the bank so he's that he might come back to Miami for free. I just want to be back with the game right. But he's the sixteen fourteen in three blocks a game this year. He's out on weekends to summer Saugus this summer. I Dunno which the whichever plumlee is in Denver. He's hurt now but he's had a good either free saw if these guys are intimidate drums getting twenty five again. It's a bad deal. You gotta bans going to be afraid to. So it's all these guys are going to be by ten million. Of course it's going to be aboard Montreal's GonNa get twenty two megan a year. Oh okay probably have. If it's going to be similar right uh-huh because I still don't think he's been putting like a best position doesn't see now in thinking about him on a team where there are multiple I know Like tatum and Brown are both averaging seven. Have all year like he would kill for that right a team like dead. It's like okay on. We don't need you to seventeen necessarily at this point in under just put an ad on somebody. We'll know you'll get eleven to that good rebound Right we got a couple of wings in seven team like Westbrook you know. He's getting eight or nine a game like on his own. They just just box out when I if I don't box out speed album crash. The Bruce Brown's he's got fourteen rebounds do they even need them great. Yeah Lukin crushing the glass. Hard I don't I don't we get the backlash like if the Knicks signed drumming. Not even saying they should but for the example like now it'd be the biggest free free agent. They've signed ever ABC trying to even think a melody traded for all those guys were jared. I Auto China Charlie Ward. So I don't I don't think people should be anti signing drummond under acquiring drumming and I buy over the summer when we were talking about like. What are the Celtics Duke? Clink Appel has been in trade rumors for a long time. I'm now At that point I was just like I require him. Does fourteen million that clogs bill would go signed kimberlite. They did. And now it's like if you're Danny Aines. You know you're going to have to repay tatum. Not Repay resigned. TATUM next year or heading into next cheer. And so once you do that even when hayward comes off the books since cameras just steps right in. It's like they weren't GonNa have of way AMAC's slot anyways especially since China does and watch the NBA anymore. But you can right now go. Oh get Clint Capela at his fourteen. And you can still re-sign tatum whatever he wants. That doesn't affect anything getting I don't know how and some are made a good point too. They tweeted that man. It's like well if Paul George Politely asked to leave or if one of these guys politely asked to leave Now you have another fourteen fifteen sixteen million dollar deal to put into that equation. They don't currently have to play around with And it's like listen if we're locked into the starting five of Kemba Jalen. Datum Hayward Capella was smart. I I don't I don't think that's a terrible six to be. That's a strong strong six or seven great especially in these. There's a tremendous six seven and you can't Capellas a big man is getting like three years fifty a million left. You really want to give it to guys you fourteen fourteen Yup. I don't even think it's that much honestly. I think it's like forty something you strange time. You can't pay a Cappella fifteen million dollars in cantor's enters getting I was like well. No one is the. That's not the price gap between the two of them. So it's like nine million dollars. That feels like nothing Upgraded anybody Houston trying to get off a man. Oh Yeah Gel Joe. Greene can't even play this year if they want him on the deal. I'll always take Joel greenback if I'm starting to step in and Okla bellows hurt right now like the injuries I was like a come to spin right a Pri- light sprained ankle. Like I'll be fine in two weeks. He's breaking down. Man Guys turned twenty six almost thirty already. You know. He doesn't feel like res I feel like they're holding out specifically so he doesn't get hurt to try it like I feel like he could play. Why would he want to enter blame? Nobody thousand the six two so strange Tristan Thompson free agents at some. I don't know where he gets now. So trade him to the thing like dromedaries said he's opting out he's going to so I know he has a deal. Aw whereas an idea of a deal so I feel like it might be one of those teams. So he's just going to get like wow drummer for three forty five still. I wasn't everybody doing that. He's like you said he's suck as you're nobody should pay you. Save one compel. You can pay a guy that much then it got him. I think five or ninety knows I o steal more is done it again just gets six. It's so weird. When these deals get announced always remember? It's been reminded to me a lot since. He's an trade rumors right now when Alec burks signed that deal with Utah. It wasn't a lot. It was something like that first. Avery Bradley deal. That was too much at the time. Like four thirty two or something stupid like that. But like Bergh's got it there was like I gotTa lock up a guy like this and then he was like blue as batch now he just getting playing time because the warriors are tanking They're not taking. They're just they are bad as he dropped thirty on. Seventeen shots tonight but when he signed that deal it was like so the contract was sold well regarded across the NBA. When Avery Bradley Rally Site is Danny Ainge losses? Mine as like. It's the same money for. We're talking about like Rubio and Kim Wilson the same exact deal oh boy oh boy. Cat shooting like thirty two percent by the end of the deals like He's outperformed this by three games. This season season. Like how these deals are GONNA look Stephen Adams Stephen Adams sign that was at five hundred hundred. Four Hundred A. Thank you for now because it was the same as Yana. Same as C.. J. mccollum all right People were like great deal bill. And then you're saying Cappella less money says like now. That's that you got that. Get rid of that guy as soon as you can and Adams like twenty five this year. I think it's twenty five. I think next year last. That's why I thought it was five years because it just keeps going was one of the NBA. It's like they signed it the year ear before they can write kicks. So it's like you hear about it. It's like man Omai towns has got to be on the clock. What's that you say you're one of the exemption? Yeah I was planning on trade machine earlier today even though I I know welling good. We're not gonNA make a single fucking deal. That's what happens every around this time and I'm like why is Jalen six million dollars. He just signed this extension. I'm like Oh yeah. That isn't on the books yet. It's nerlens having a career year. He's a free agent. Yeah that's the guys like that like players because even even arguing Thais feels very disingenuous a year ago l.. Now it's been like You can just sign Daniel Tights. Why would you Andre Drummond? Like you'd saw like a fucking asshole if he said that era gotTa Brook Lopez the year after the Lakers. Anybody could Adam Adam enabling other got for the minimum. Then he gets like what he forty eight fifty million. That's that's how the scout like the smart team defined the inefficiencies like a cleaver. Yeah this is a great deal. They found him some to a great deal and they've got got him for like the next three or four years. Yeah you're GonNa piece together your center like that. I get it but not everybody has that kind of insight. Light teams. Don't have like one decent center. You're trying to get them to put together center-by-committee right. How many times are in the world? Like there is the point to be made that oversees the Spurs. Be doing us for a long time teams have been doing it Clearly there is talent out there but a lot of these guys fucking stink to like we beg. They fade either legal out faster because we didn't hear about in college they didn't have this long track record that come over they stink. They leave and that doesn't does no air around them there. There's no stigma around that which shouldn't be but when a guy like a jewel locavore comes out gets taken third in stinks for the the vast majority of his career just like I can't draft a center third but it's not. It's it's everything I always comes back to win with a rookie quarterback build the Ross around the rookie quarterback quarterback like the just the hope of the prayer is a million Mexico. Levers and a million times is out there because again tights. It took three years to be this guy that all of a sudden this is now this great deal everyone should be copying that. No one would have said this last even me. I like Isis whole time. I would have been like. Oh yeah of course it just bands and tastes all you need everyone else and get the fuck out and again. It's a part of guys could do their roles for sure but are they gonna the when it comes down to. It's like are you fine like not getting thirty minutes because sometime you just might not. If you don't get out you might not get a show some guys. Some guys aren't as I guess an odd. Yeah I'd have three. Senators warn could shoot threes. Really will hit the board really. Well one can defend the rim. Really Well I. Hey them all pennies on the dollar. The Meat Sixteen minutes of gay Bam senators done. CANCEL MY POINT GUARD I. I'll shoot at lights out from anywhere on the court and he'll also average eleven sister game was what's the beef make. A minimum wage was to be like I'm like it was the drum to Atlanta talks as I okay if you don't think John Collins Center he's he's still a guy in ten a game so if you're GONNA put him next to German. It'd be the most help ed like six years right Greg. Monroe and Andre Drummond such a Josh Smith on team. Still Very few. We give people a lot of credit for insight sandwich common. The Pistons did not see what was were they they try to do with the paces doing they just were bad at run the Knicks. He was like now. Everybody's going small. We're going Edgar Gregory in Zach Randolph. As I okay listen I see your vision. SC Vision. However you'll get one pick eddy curry out there on the perimeter on dame living? You don't find a a more of adjustment defender than me and in Plano at the three the Pistons just an all-time move. This will work the plant. It was like okay. We can always have two bigs on the court as you're fine with that right. Josh Stein victimes yes. play the play the whatever it out to the panthers with fifty million a year. Maybe yeah the contract four fifty four. That's shocking fifty minute or something room did did boy contracts like a like a face on that four years like what this officer last op seasons money. What's it like one? One thirty easily Auto Boorda got four one four at the auto poured he never had a game winning dip slam over Dwight Howard either. So you know. That's a bad deal. Also Jon Morgan Hill. The Jess chancing. I'll blue eligible luggy healthy nice. Come victory shoot. Well how was I supposed to stop him from getting healthy. Push another flight of stadiums. The last time thing thing happened no escape keep waiting for thing to happen trade. Oh Yeah Yeah because demos Thursday or is it like aw Thursday like noon or something. I think it's two thirty or two coups. I know what they were. Advertising like a trade deadline show so maybe it's three maybe noon West Coast. Say to which time. But it sounds right ish. If it's just GONNA be two first round pick like I think I'd give up two first round picks embarked on a from from Sacramento. To the Lakers are GonNa do some this week. I'm surprised they haven't yet. They're going to Capella for coups Muss. Something too tall Houston dot interested other. He's only the move is i. Don't get comfortable. Gotcha only a diving board the plane. They're doing some of the clippers after opted. They don't trade this pick. They don't have like another pig. It's there so like twenty twenty eight because although I pick and pick slops so they're doing something Lakers doing something like I'm dumb the clippers if I can't get like a Baynes I try try to like Tristan Thompson. I just would ever be just need at least one more be i. Can you have Tristan Thompson in L. A.. After the Hackel job he was getting as visitor. Absolutely right he used to battle-tested day. It'd Kardashian for us. This is nothing Kardashian. Tackle them yes always let. 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Whom and I don't know what they're worth now but he I thought he would only sell to run for president? He would only say what he had to sell right. That's what I saw fifty one percent and you're not getting all like Philly. They just banned any get together running upsell which I get. It's how they get their billions stephen by the team share. This is what happens. You get Alpine the luxury tax. I don't care that check is what I gotta pay. What could you want to pay Erik? Gordon no no no. I've never even met Eric Gordon nor would I like to like Tyson Champ. I don't even know what that means paying a dollar fifty on on the dollar for chicken place. Can we get that Adam. Can we get no always name related. He's I know this Westbrook Ga.. Yeah it looks like he's scores points like James. Do we need both of them. I'm just spitballing here. I do Part of me wonders if Houston rarely is desperate to get under this in if they are Like going to do something really dumb. I wonder if angels even calling about Capella recalled He's based been trying to acquire hardened for north of seven years now now. Ah You can't get hard. I don't think you're not gonna get them while more or not. You're not getting that. You're not like like more. that his found the diamond in the rough that guy. Now he probably won't be there much longer so after that conversation in comes into play give us three months. Would you give forward I I really. They don't know and it's not even like I'm trying to hold people back. I just don't even know what the fair prices for A. MVP was averaging thirty seven starring one of Edema Brown. Oh yeah no for sure minimum for sure. I think it's both honestly it'd be him a smart. It'd be one of those blake man. Oh Man all those guys. They traded for prince spoiler cooking in. Houston right yeah. It'd be one of those. We probably shouldn't have done that despite getting the best player in the deal until you gotTa Kimball Harden Back Corps a book Shit Man. We put smart Jalen Brown around. WESTBROOK teases Christ. Why don't we why we got some cap space picks? Yeah I think I think it would. I think it would be like no we need lead Jalen an tatum. And I think that's what would make dange be like absolutely not and I think both sides would be like now. This is probably the back best bad for both of us. I think you could get more would ask for both but again once he gets fired in I mean can we do it for a year bread. WANAMAKER's not making a lot of money and we just call that in hardened for bread fucking wish I literally Romeo Langford. He's a cool name as very cheap this minimum day. That means we cannot pay them less even if we one two yes I just want to listen. WE'RE NOT GONNA pay on the complete minimum. I some of them yes. Of course we will. We're not fools boy Sacramento's up twenty three to eight Robert Covington. Just Air Ball shot. Sweet I I would imagine giving them to first round picks again you'd have to be stuck on stupid twenty three ten towns with offensive rebound quick. Put back kids back lose lower points. Oh yeah they're already data a lot of points. I don't see this jet. Rehearsing Dallas PORZINGAS cooking. That was uh not a game. I anticipated happening. Considering I bet the complete opposite side of it some are calling get a mistake feels are a blunder. May Be doc keeps saying like drew holiday the Denver Uh that would like a lot. I just don't know wha the blood would on us. Yeah that feels like the rest of the West should be furious in the Denver was allowed to just add that to their roster right before the playoffs. What's like you're not getting any of yoga? Doc Porter Murray so nothing else. Make right if I'm the Pelicans not anymore I wonder if they no I wonder if they would give up Murray they would get. They didn't have to do like the five one seventy like doing that as soon as they did. You like not untouchable but if a a like if you're swapping him out but keeping Gary Harris on. I'm not sure it helps you. He's he's a better player. But not is that you're trying to raise your ceiling. Keep like a similar ceiling drew raises sailing over like just cost Murray Like I don't think that they're not making the finals. Donald John Either way they might make conference violence which I feel like they would do either way like a better player. The Mary for sure. Good von doing that kind of dumped trading one of my core three core to at the time with what they had importer right got coming off his playoffs last year trading and. They're the three see if they get drew for Murray. Does that put them. Pass the clippers. um no I mean now. It gets a pass the clippers or Lakers but I think it makes them more competitive for sure but they're the three seat nap. You're not getting past those two. How much more competitive they're going? Okay it would give him from like the six to three C.. But yet for sure but again it's this is gonNA come down to in the second round you have to play the La Clippers. And I don't think you're beating them improperly not next PG or at least this year maybe next year right Lakers to Andrew is. How many years older than Jamal? So it's like by the time is paying dividends drew holiday still the guy that's why I was thinking about it for the short term. It's like yeah they do have all all these young pieces Baker trying to get over the Hump Right now. Is this the guy that do it Because all you do give Jamal five one. Seventy When they did it but they like you said they did that with? No knowledge of what porter was going to be now. It's like right. Will if if we do think Jamal is going to be the third third third guy. Do we want to be paying that guy that and also now this chip becomes a little bit easier to part with knowing what we have here like do you though because again drew holidays twenty nine. He's seven years older than Murray Right. Your best best to players outside of him are twenty five and twenty anthony. Wright by drew's head injury concerns. He's having he's having a good you'd find you but it's not like the type of year it's like. Oh yeah now he will absolutely put them over the top right. And that's the point where it's like. Well I think I would. Just I would just bet on the long term like if he's not put over the top right this year. I don't think he would buy the. PELICANS will be like no. We'll be fools even entertaining now to like get llandough. Don't Zayn fasten where we do. The reconfigure it out tomorrow Jamal Growing the bank Jamaa over from the Pelicans I do heartbeat from backwards. Lonzo Jamal Murray. And again he probably just be a third score again. Ingram Zion Ngoma. He being the perfect role holidays. Twenty six is this year twenty six next year option for twenty seven. So you'RE GONNA have to pay him when he'll be thirty pay drew. He'll be thirty one and he's already had injury concerns. So it's like I don't know if that helps you long term or the sugar short-term enough to make it work I think the only Long term pro. There is like I were gone for in these next three years with through and if it doesn't work what if we don't want to resign him that money opens up because that would be Puertas for Fyi no right on time to pay him right right on time to pay him but you could theoretically signed Someone else before giving him his deal With that money that just came off. If you don't WanNa be like stuck with Jamal with would you have three more years left at that point. The like you're like okay. Are you scrambling to spend the money. Because it's the right player because it's the last chance you can go definitely. The fairly was like okay. This is the last chance before Simmons Money Kicks and we got to do something and they did. Thirty nine point. We have a quote from Ben. Simmons Ohka as is from POMPEII Keith. Or Kevin I'm looking for big pomp. He said quote. We were soft adding quote. Ben Simmons not wrong so that's good. That's what you like to see in February not to be I mean rain Expiring contracts and just roll the dice again makes you keep POMPEII Yeah no but I mean. They're young guys. Tobias is still young despite being in the League for the last fourteen years rebounder some of those years. That's how long lead Philly Philly. I don't think it's time for them to panic at A. B. is. This is a bad precedent. I talked about a lot like I don't know that they can just up in trade guys they just signed that make if if I were sevens or embiid there I'd be like all right. These guys don't have any sort of vision I don't know what the fuck they're doing that based will be the case. But I feel like it'd be a wild panic to like we've talked about a million times. They've built themselves for for the bucks. They're struggling with everyone else. Not even get to the box in the finals but they have to figure something the fuck out. I don't know that it's getting rid of everyone. That's only play and the thing about like whoever they add it's if you add Covington who drops out of your starting fire. Probably Richardson yet. But is the upgrade from Richardson to Covington. Enough words like yet. That's the that's the piece we needed. I don't think so so. It's your getting back on the fringe Around those guys when it's closing your five is already said right in is very good defensively not that good to know now. It's not going back to Denver. If I could hidden I'd give up just that anything other than the top three though right just in it because if I doubt will be the Drian drew Joma drew's like I'm just a fourth score now at all I have to do is lock up and move the ball a little bit cut. I'd give A. They got some Harris Salary. But he's I think he's just an injury. Seizures be heard nothing. The just took their toll. I hope it's he gets pass. It was like Beazley's they're like they've got their own picks. Bobo share is on him like they find like the Toy Craig over. We'll give willing to give of an extra piece knowing that we have a GM could just like find a Monty Morris or find Dettori cray or give value out of Plumlee as a backup center. Because if they're like closing four was Yogi Porter Murray drew and Jeremy Grant. Maybe I don't even know there have been they've been talking about moving grant because they don't know if the fit works which feels crazy to me. That was like the the most praised off-season pickup league-wide like whatever their first round pick in this past draft. Graf was just like when it comes down to who you closing will Barton millsap grant than. That's kind of like the flexibility of but as liberty Drian out God. There's like they're going to be picked on gay which defender each's Same Guy taking kind of step forward Yoga's would find barnes and fan milk I think this happened. plumlee about to expire. So they bill sap is yeah I think I think they both come off this year because a forty five million I know millsap for does because he could of uh-huh yeah he's I'm no dummy MILLSAP. Thirty of Plumlee is fourteen. Eighteen off. Her name Gomez B but then his business probably gone but Craig bribery time to resign so they may have one move this summer. But it's like the market stinks. John Lovett says Adrian Britain. Who Do you think's the biggest name that gets moves? Lebron James Pretty Philly trade for ones like God damn not even close was to what they need is a strong six-man shake Milton novell pelvic straight up. I'm or keep him de Ngelo a lot and I know how much they've said like they wanna see him in Steph were but it's a lie by After like he's probably the biggest I could see move. I don't think it happens before the off. I think Golden State wants to go into the offseason having that ship to play. Have that complete flexibility because like right now Minnesota like was Minnesota GonNa give give up today that they won't give up this summer that know for sure but on Golden State side is like if they whoever gets Covington evolved gas figure it out and we're just stuck holding dench like right now you might get somebody to overpay over. No he wants to go to his friend the but we don't really care what he wants. No definitely if you can get overpay go for it. I just don't know what team is going to overpay for him. At at the moment moment the team has played star. It's like get me Dangelo Russell. ALSO HE MINNESOTA PHOENIX. I'm not sure where but that those guys are ending up together and also you leave you itself if he suffers any kind of injury. Knock on wood bright. You lose the ship this summer. That certainly part of it But I if ev it's just simply like we WANNA put Phoenix in Minnesota against each other and we don't think I think he's GonNa get hurt. We're hold onto them till the summer. I think they can get the same packages for these players. especially if it's like like I don't know if Phoenix Eytan somewhere else or uses eight and in this deal or if if Golden State's trying to package their pick with Russell to get an even bigger deal than just trading them separately gunstone even that it's like we might be able to get Simmons and and something else in a three team if if phillies really trying to go in a different direction and get rid of Horford do not like I feel like part of the risk is your whole okay. We'll to have this guy. He's young he signed already and in something somebody else politely requested Trade Damn now are blue chips rich now like we Trying to think I could see not ours. Uprise a drew. I see drew That's a lot I just don't know where CAPPELLA BIG ME A. Ah Yeah Okay on August moved would they don't even want value their Jesus like I will not pay this much statement basket basketball team. I won't do it. You Watch me. You won't be able to that Yeah Cappella if life for Todd is gonNA force it then. Yeah that feels pretty locked. Just listen he's GonNa Force trying to think who else's been were like Kevin love no he's still with the team. Played well tonight. I don't know why I used to with the Who else has been on the move rumored to be at least also inching interesting because they've signed trades are just back now the like dimmed like two years ago Them for nothing right and now there were nineteen signing adding trades last summer. So it's like okay or saint like same with Donna Bitch before. It's like whether going to play too restricted free agency and somebody'll ooh outbid them losing for nothing else. I okay let that team outbidding. We'll just swap it out the markets more on. That's a big athlete. He should get moved Nine surrounding in house GonNa get towns now going for Janas dumped on. I don't think Russell Against Moves Covington so I put him on. This deadman might drop off of a name I think favors is in the mix to new New Orleans. Talk about moving people see I don't I don't think he gets mm-hmm all right. We'll see guys this week reached an impasse. Asked like this yet. I think it's again could just be lip-service Griffin's is not like I want more veterans like it seems still wild Al's young super young favors again injuring As mother passed away he missed some time for that. Yes they're like just now this. Aw It's gotta be the first time all your head all of their guys like I don't know if what they would get for him when just just give favors first round pick coup. Yeah you're trained druids. I okay yeah. We could get a consensual cornerstone favors while we get to top forty protected set around paints nailed dare growth. Derrick rose move. He said he wants to resign in the Detroit. I'm sure he does uh-huh he's I think he's on like a fool to like not even like he can opt out. Get a new deal. So it'd be this year next year or he Talking about that's bad parts very never. Has Cody Zeller. Is Cody Zeller. The biggest name we see moved seeing that name pop up a couple of times I think. The and the Knicks both have multiple viciously pawning off guys rea- by just for anything. The Knicks have like six people the legitimate they could get a decent bit naughty but not good. Bs It's not even always just pick two. It's like scan the League look at everyone's like eleven twelve thirteen guy. I'm sure are there more than a couple. Who would be like that team as probably never gonNA play on our team? That's as good as the second round. Pick me or are late one right like I'm from the Lakers. I felt like it just wouldn't take a whole lot like can we just have Reggie Wayne Ellington please. We don't we don't care about takes. Whatever I left whatever second you want what state none of our business they might get a like a Trash I but I for Marcus Morris treater. I don't know if they move but a tree. That's a guy could see if you went to Philly. Okay yeah he's not gonNA close because we've got our five bullyboy when are often yes. When I offered this absolutely dies he can come in and score points of order amount of wooded I don't know what it would take to get a bit random randall for Randall Dangelo Russell in Rosier and trade. I don't know what's going to golden state. Jews were handled starting point guard in. Charlotte are wild. I don't even I just put about bows Turner. He's one like that's the Gabriella. I'm they would trade him now but he's the one I'd have my own an off season because I think he's got three years. Left has to be reasonable still young enough as lead skill. He's the what had B. is one out the hawks wait for I god by four hundred miles term Boston since he was a Texas. I just I don't see why they would trade him to us and what it would cost. I can't imagine imagine I would enjoy paying. I mean but you don't you don't WanNA trade. Nobody for nobody's GonNa give a little give a little name. That's why I'm all in on the Capella deal. We don't get shit has very little. But that's one of the things like a if they are just gonNA commit to being big like goat was gonNA need more minutes. Ah Depot comes back like a what we really can't cut a big of our rotation we just one we want those picks back we sent for Brogden A rotation player. We're good and yet now now they're talking a language I like yes so it's like okay. We could do this for Cappella now but if we wait we might be able sending Ties expiring I. Can't I feel like he had a deal. This last off season I I wanna say like everyone. All the centers got to ten all of them. That's okay we want your target. A rotation player gives the picks back. And not. Maybe one of the young guys and we're just going to keep going SA- bonus bribed in the depot. That's that's on thirty July second ties agrees to your ten million. So that's when like I feel like long term. The gap between those two figures will be worth waiting for. Because it's very attorney was getting like defensive. Play the year consideration last year. Twenty years ago yes by Saint position is in being go. Bear with attorney was Tim USA this summer with the rest of them pal. Whatever plays Metal Gotcha? They already know how to lose together which was good but Turner does a lot of the things. That tights does already in in terms of being able to pick and pop on the offensive end. Defend the RIM obviously. He's bigger than twice Better for sure without question But like the reason I'm trying to put cantor in the CAPPELLA deal. Thais is because they do such different things like Tyson's good at basketball whereas cantor not so much cooler. It's going on now. Cantor's not like picking and popping. He's more like I'm just GonNa hit the offensive glass. I'M GONNA kill you in the low post which is essentially what Capello would be doing it a much greater rate as well is defending the rim. That's why I'd like to keep Thais Thia. So when he comes off the bench and a little bit different look look. I think the wizards are GonNa make just a trade Saw It was like. Yeah they should go. After like either collins or miles out in collins is available. I think turn it. I don't I don't know a John I'm gonNA executive now but they're like bill a wants to say Extension but he's not a happy Camper all-star. She didn't help either so I think they're going to be like okay. They're not that far agency. Ac I didn't realize it to listen to them as a tough luck for the eighth seed a horrible double look like five games back which like I seven and eight. So it's like we're five games back for it but we got to in cracks edit to keep our star happy like you just make. We don't kick we'll give blitz once we get there we don't care we just need to get there because he asks politely to go out. We have to let them go. We have to listen to this though there are also five games Way from the worst record in the east damp as the last year. And got like the ninth. So we'd much rather just please just let us get rolled by by Milwaukee and do you like that. Breath is make you. I brought from home. You can't take it but please like I think they okay if we can stay if we can get the eight seed now. We add John Wall next year another year for Rui I think yeah. I don't know what kind of deal contains it have to keep him or resign them. But it's like okay. If you do that maybe you can kudlow enough together. It's okay. Turner Deal Wall Burton shooting on away. They said back like Thomas Brain. He went to Indian Rui fine young piece. But are they going to do something I do. Think Burton's can be had. 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I actually no reason why they couldn't have just split the award hats and given involve them on. They're both very deserving he's startled a half of one of our guys let's factor. I'm looking back nate. Rob's got too close personal friend but he's probably have one of those but they've got three student he he he deserves to Jason Richards. Get to to and I'll be. I don't remember one of them. All the remember. The one a direct from the corner to between his legs backwards but Beckett and a single dunk from whichever one was. I remember watching it and I I. I don't remember thinking someone else should have one tournament Jones one one on a layup that was bad. It has the one right after a resident member that one Jeremy One that was pretty pretty. Well let Glenn Ross one remember single dumb That was recent recent. That one was bad. Donovan Mitchell won his stock going against him. Get stock with with the exception of of the Vince Carter a win like Vince. Carter could have been the only person who dunked and it would. It would have the exact amount of hype around it I feel like the great ones are when it's two people people pushing one another obviously Gordon and Levin comes to mind was the The other depot Dennis Smith Junior Nansen Mitchell. Yeah that national one that one is that one victory depot put the blackout mask on. Yes yes it is good times. It's what Contin Dwight Their Jones junior in. WHO's the four? Is there a a day. Just now continent feels late in others for You said Gordon. White Contin Dr Jones Junior eels. For how Gordon Gordon. Yeah Gordon Good Levinas out. It's a Yaron Angolan. I feel like Derek Jones was going to be the This guy you don't understand he's got different kind of hops and then he just jumps really high in two hands and it's like all right thirty two and they do some sort of sponsored dunker you dunk over the Chia car blake remain. Yeah that was tough. I watched that dunk contest at a Dave and buster's Filled with deaf people. Oh Okay and you talk riding electric way to watch dot com test because there was none of the chatter of a typical dunk contest. Very quiet newboy boy. That's how I talk to nobody. There's still like hand clapping and light light murmurs but no typical eruption like. Oh if if Rucker Park had Just watch it's like the Animal Mixed Ape tour on Mute Miley. I don't it was it was a wild scene. As Dave and Buster's and Providence Providence Rhode Island just of me and it at least thirty deaf be stolen. Oh what happened Aaron Gordon. Also somebody I'd try to for. I could see you WANNA do that. I mean just anybody. I don't think it will. Maybe this off season. Like seventy eight hundred. They do it now. But that's a good plan shooting shooting guard. Man Somebody gotTa Save Them some on. Well I just say. I don't think it's going to happen this week. I would trade him. Bomba imagine he knows details Yup imaginary imaginary being a fan of this organization. I can't imagine can't fathom now now that doesn't feel fathomable at all yeah. I can't believe this trade hasn't happened yet soon. Don't for it has got to be over the longer. It goes the bore no it I become make Italians. I hate them. They don't annoy a unlike snow culture. Now everybody everybody got snow for everything Jackson. Hayes told them to suck Dick because he didn't make the rising stars challenge. dinwiddie would wouldn't it in the skills challenge defending champ. No less he had a gripe there was Lillard was Lillard the one who did all all three that feels like a very lillard thing to do the does he got snob. D- even kit. Kat was like I just think it's a disgrace money to union. WanNa get a game says Thanksgiving like Guinness should now be winning but part of the you missed like fifteen games. And they've done everybody. Guess no I think each conference gets a snub for the All Star game. And that's it no more snubs that you can't get snubbed from the skills competition. Listen you can't get snubbed from The rising stars game like Matisse Matisse's agent Eh. Burley Bill wrote a book. Yeah I think I think this year was bill and Devon Booker. Were snobs everyone else even even saying that. As a as an ardent in James jaylen Brown defender he wasn't the the biggest out of the east like I feel like four snub as to be like William Royal Booker should get in. I don't know why. PJ Tucker in Desa Snow Booker. Chris Paul Russell Westbrook get a wooded head booker in there but those other guys are so vail. I can't call it a snow or click. This said Dinwiddie won the skills challenging. Didn't get invited back. What does that fucking stay? Have you ever met a winner award not get invited. Bet that she is pretty crazy. Folks don't care about me. I'm Spencer would play in quote. I told you as the popularity contest. The skills challenge. They won't even let me sell portions of myself. These this league here this league before Dinwiddie. Can you name it. Tools skills challenge winners. Die Yet. Call downst- boy Shirley someone else's won the skills challenge. TATUM tatum different. uh-huh yeah that's the one towns. Listen towns Betas Thomas with the Buzzer and I was standing on my couch applauding. That's what I'm talking about them. Would you want to let go of a tyrod last year to just completely clearly. Don't remember do. Technically tatum wasn't before Dinwiddie now. doesn't even count for the question that was asked. Tony Parker has one. That's kristaps Porzingis as one yup snubbed. In every missing person Bradley beal's ever met wrote a letter protests. Someone tweeted pictures at Chicago's has got like all-star adds up all over the pros Bradley Bradley beal's featured on side of the two. So it's like so I get I get it. Everybody can't be snuggled. You put a deposit on a hotel room can get that back is worse used by just eat it not. It'll money is like last year when we laugh today go barely last year. Other PL- was late calling his name. Who you talking about Drought Matt Rudy Jamal ago? The whining Frenchmen as narrow as I got snubbed man. I can't believe I can't wait till the all rookie teams come out. Some is I o Anga thirds Amol Rookie. Never believed in key kidding me my seven points. A game came in a twelve game. Eighty two game season base. You not politics go broke the the. The Rising Star is averaging twenty twenty this year. He's played really well. I'm sure for him. It says I just get on TV somewhere this weekend. Like I know I'm not in the game but just just invite Mike me that one. I can understand his frustration a little bit Jackson. Hayes will what are you doing bell in the NBA can suck is because he leaves it off with. I know you guys have been reached out to me. How many people do you think said anything? Anything to three odes defy. I don't think it is upwards of five right Max. In five of those it was like is mother Texas brethren to Texas sister like checking on Jackson Manny stadiums. Are they were just like. Yeah man you do. Your the game won't be the same with that. You see here. Eight points and four rebounds a game whether is blocked percentage for a rookie. Yeah I'm thinking about that. You don't WanNa see Matisse get spun around like a dry drill in Hanukkah. A national audience could be Lou Brandon Knight again that hurt me Z.. Jalen drita former Celtic like that really are yellow. I will we'll say for to defend Jackson Hayes Which won't happen a lot though rookie sophomore or whatever the rising stars whatever fucked got Those uniforms for like the past three four years now have been besting the all star game uniforms easily before I can. La when they had the old like Minneapolis. Throwbacks like the powder blue like. Oh perfect perfect this year. They've done it again. I'm looking right is Gaza. Didn't even he'll probably get into getting deployed window. Carter's hurt he's been out. Probably just hit that spot until you till the league to suck your Listen sometimes that's what you're gonNA tell the league like on. US and the world roster trae dodgy those starting the All Star game. We sure the plan again. They might just come out of bed. Ankle I doubt he plays it all. trae maybe good. I won't won't play will now only like an all. Are you talking to all star or rookie software rookie sophomore. Yeah no now. You're not planning on that. That's what I'm that's exactly. The point does like Jack didn't say anything he probably ended up getting to pull. Maybe he still will China this. Would you do to to the League in your first year. This is the he'll to dial rookie of the year. To Dillon Brooks on Andrei Granola. I can't wait till we find a way to trade him so he can play him and show him. What Memphis is about quote quote? Tweet the blue face. Man had tilted back mouth agape yelling. That's from John Moran means say grizzlies like commands Playoff push on your kite. Exactly what we need so either get the fuck out ORC To practice this is like some from the jump. It's like Andre. Would you like to Nah. Okay okay okay. I got it was like he was doing. Is it correct that the night Dick Grizzlies were on. TV At the same time it was on ESPN analyst work. I was like Ed Excellent. He's a literal active grizzly member right now and he's like Nah outsell. Just gotTa hit the board and a second hand I think they'll be fine Louis Young scrappy team not like about this team which I can play with a group like this only in a much bigger better city city and I respect both sides of. He's like I'm not doing that and they're just like okay fine. Just stay away till we find a Kevin love like just stay away. We both ways saying yeah. Millions of dollars are being Senate still getting paid. He's doing analysts word. I I left from double is this is great. I'm just chilling. I'm just waiting Goto one of L.. A.'s it is obscene. I wanted like Memphis if they can't find someone to trade for him. Can they like sues not were file a grievance. The thing is once you agree. Would like if they didn't agree before the season I feel like they probably could but if like before the year is not okay when you're switching it up. I'd like to where it hurts him but yeah if they were that this but I think I don't know if they'll get a I might productive they're gonNA solid Form again for nothing. They gotta take take them on anything they get after him as I. The industry analysts work was killed absolutely killed me. He wouldn't even call them. Their game wouldn't even wants to our to watch the heat. Play Mamoru Doing some scouting here over my future location Asian and both sides agreed to so I think that that will I heard grievances plas- ended up in Dallas Sonum. Sure I do wonder if they was like okay. He Really WanNa play ball now. We're just we're just going to the best asset. We don't care if we send you to Detroit again. Prefers round pick. We don't Care Hash it out with them. Not Our business not Pal that's why do wonder if off the celtics trying to use them as that middle team is the right play if they are actually trying to get Capella which I still am unsure of using Memphis using Allah as that wing defender. They're looking for to thumb What will did he get remeasured since he hasn't shown up anywhere other than studios? I can't imagine for soup when he's a game does. I'm still forty two low. No no need to work so you might be officially unofficially. Might be perfect but don't ever know exactly like wow. We traded the twenty six year old center under cost control for thirty. Six Zero Guy. Resin played in four months. More would a genius ball Wa. I can't even penn whatever happens on Maury. You know he doesn't want to straight Gabella. Do we know that he's not he. He doesn't WanNa Trade Cappella and the daily is GonNa have to settle for. He would trade Tom. Aw Hell trade anyone at any time if he thinks he's winning the deal I don't think he's GonNa think he won this cappella deal. He's got the numbers bars Whenever also once hardback to businessman guy was taken it? Easy sure what. The two games has thirty five sixteen. Six six forty ten in nine like my dues taken care of us us is a good friend. He's a great friend. He does league great friend he was okay Sunday. Primetime for Super Bowl is James into into not only. Is it like forty. It's forty on twenty four shots seven fifteen from three six fourteen from three on ten of twenty five supreme supreme in the same game Back to nine and ten free throws per would still feels low for him but the two games prior Twelve combined and free throws to fourteen combined from three eight of thirty one from the field so yeah he's Is just like Oh yeah basketball I I can do. This is okay. We're GonNa get our accolades cool. He's going six. When the next five games he sixties like really? I'm back back. Let's rocket scheduled coming up. Charlotte who has to say as tempting. Where's the in Houston? Okay okay Thursday at Los Angeles Lakers in. La Guy is a prime time. GotTa be ten thirty. Yeah so it's got to be detained out there it is yes in in La La Kid. I assume he's a Thought about Kobe Bryant. Before at the minimum probably So yeah I am hoisting there and the connecting a lot. That would that wouldn't shock me. Want me might do both what I'm saying like as I think about it he's GonNa be like dame's six threes in like six straight games. He's like I'm already there. I got four more. I mean that's nothing at Phoenix on Friday. So the second night of a back to back now then Utah at home on Sunday Boston at home. Tuesday all-star break one of those. If not the first to he's even a sixty point. We're getting the fifty point triple double Houston's last game before the all-star Break Boston Game Watson has there's another game two days later against the clippers. What a schedule No? It's it's perfect. I don't know why we would want to change a thing. I'd add more games honestly. I think we're up to ninety to contemplate. So we're still in this. This play every other day stretch that we've been in since January thirteenth. No excuse me January. Every day this the fuck January third and fourth. We played V off six replayed seventh eighth ninth. We've played turn thought so. Yeah we've played every other day this year while plays every day we bellyaching so Wednesday Orlando at home. Friday Atlanta again at home At Oklahoma City Tuesday. Okay at It's a Oklahoma City a Houston. La At home all-star break. He's disgraced. I think we'd go up two hundred games personally. I'm not sure it will be a bold was so we don't get a book and I play the same amount of games. How many they have to play harmless course sixty six game straight? Why not eight most? I'll do the severe lacking of players we've ever done as he does go very much Dame's credit I want. Credit credit seems cool. I ever get credit. Some shots is that why are people dame's goes a lot of points and they did score a lot of points yell at me doesn't seem fair yet. He got a smooth seek by sixty five. Eighty eight come on is gonNA add up to eighty one. Whatever definitely might just go eighty-one known stopping stopping him if he wants to? Tillman all right all right. We don't pay you anymore any point. Let's over the next five years. You want to be gone to a bus you back down to size and so fast numbers suspend quiet low. I feel like I had some sort of Simpson's related news and now it's it's gone back to Give me a lot of unearned earn credit their design have a case for the. I don't think yet. Ah but I think if he just keeps playing just it doesn't even have to get better if he just. Does this the rest of the year. I think he probably will actually win it. Forty three games though. There you're saying job are GONNA get snubbed. Boy Is all right in the post just in case it. Don't whoever wins other ones. They just Ford over the template. I'll thanks islands complainer. Janssen Hayes was either and then he totally dishonest so I I don't know which way is up. Man You would never heard Jackson voice. Hey voice before that post. Not because he looks like Sasho Bra he does way more than Robin. Lopez and Robin Lopez. was these sideshow Bob. A guy for a smooth decade God taken right out of his clutches and who was he did he have the chain a lizard ruin decide. Show Blige now. It was it was as but we were. All of. That is gonNA keep being just I. Don't know unstoppable. This is I mean. He's He's played like this now at every level He liked the level of competition. Means really nothing NAM. No one's ever seen anything like him like it really is is just a juiced up Like child I don't even automate thing. But just like a yoked up Charles Barkley like he if Charles Barkley Arkley eight draymond green and that canceled out both of their personalities somehow uh because he is he does always sound like he's running for president he is just a mountain of a man like and one. Don't think I feel like because the courts so congested in college. We didn't get to see this. Obviously we saw it but not as often as he's doing it in the NBA as just thought up a shots at the rim. Almost like like this isn't even really a shot. It's just I know I can outjump. This guy I can landed. Did get in the air before he even lands and I can get myself a much easier shot on this put act. which is there's nothing you can do to defend that nothing? Her Crab dribbles on twitter eighty-one percent of Zionism shots. One go into the basket or to our rebounded design Williamson eighty-one percent. That was a Saturday. I don't know it's probably eighty five now. But if he keeps doing that like almost tanking shot by Damai how to pick up my dribble images what they get right back real quick right if he just keeps doing that and also like he's desist. Numbers aren't crazy but they they don't do the passing justice now. I think more what's really impressed me at After he at the four threes he didn't really take him. He didn't yeah like if they're they're like I'll take him. You'd have to respect the but it wasn't like Oh boy four she's cake I'm taking four game now. They went up and credit. TV has not waned. Did one one of the things things I was saying early last year while still at Duke it was like this isn't just the the freak athlete that we get four times the lottery every year and the traffic is extremely high. IQ extremely has passing. We we see someone like like eight and I don't know if it's like us high or low like he's basketball normal twenty one year old basketball player progressing at a great. It's fun yeah. He has shown that he can read a defense. And make a pass. That's so rudimentary in compared to Zion can do in terms of a playmaker in terms of how he sees offense It's absurd assert is an absurd human being. I hope he's never heard again. So we can just keep watching this took. He's a plus plus athlete athlete and he sees understands the game right but he's not selfish about it and he has like the motor as like Manica can do it all but boy you you gotta push them in the right direct now. He just always on him. There's this Iraq. It works in him just by slamming into PJ Tucker over and over like God bless PJ. Tucker because I know his chest look like roast beef gay because that's the thing like it's another thing unnoticed. It's like right now like when Zion imposed. It's just going to throw all my weight at you. Which is fine? It works for the most part of weight but my whole heap weight the most weight per mark Jackson. It's one of these things like this summer. Dare favors right now man. It's actually foot work. You can do a whole lot less than that more with your footwork Ryan. He's GonNa get like just a devastating move and it's like Oh my dear God You know that they do that when you go against the embiid with like Tucker now afoot here foot here again. He'll bounce outs off. It'd be the same you spend much less effort. He's going to improve which is all right. I know anything about the young. We're having a little fun here but you go off the rails absolutely terrifying vying free throws my boy get yet right now I would love to do like a monkey for James Harden deal here Houston. They're down bad. I feel like they like baseball more. Ah Down there was a good movie was good gay. Wouldn't give cheating business woody. Now that's thing he would he would have had them stop it knock it off off ahead of time and they would be able to have their managers still But no key Glock and I quote fuck igwe Awhile report with this treaty reports are. It's a likes tweet by mirant reports wile will listen go. You make yellow tape so whatever you want on the Internet the desert I opened up. The thing I see is somebody to picture picture. Positive Stephen shavings eleven years old. Stephen night janitor hundred Doug. It seemed Jay's lived a every single life profession. He's done everything but yes I am like even the his. It's like three percent for free throws but his last two games he's went five for seventy six eight Overseas gets new software upgrade. Zion's doing like every three games. I mean there's ion character he's just not a it's not a real human being. I'm still on his ass. Don't let this praise that you think I'm I'm not gonNA bust them for the SCUMBAG years. But in the meantime he wants the Apollo Twenty one to ten on the Primetime Game Our lout as I look at this box into lost that game. They had four people in double digit. Excuse me five. People in double digit rebounds was Jackson is one of them. was snubbed. Snubbed for ten rebounds. I bet you don't need a gag grabbing sixteen five dollars a ten hundred Adra which is like to play with a competent NBA player. I'm sure of it. Sure of it cost so much. Money may can campaign anyone any sport a position. MVP rightfielder can't pam running back. You'd better not not pay him starting center in the NBA about the hang up. That's a team was like. Okay no not. Only we train drew. We're trying to add some more pieces because one we can get the AC maybe higher. I'm trying to. What are the thunder sixty? Seven must be seven. I think is one spot available. Yeah okay how are we going to beat the Lakers. Probably not but we have a healthy Zion. I don't know if we still one of those first. It's too mad of Keio Mel's Yeah L. A.. Pelicans Yeah Athlete might even show up to three games in New Orleans. I don't know if they'll need three games. He won't show up at Thurbers. Because it'll be a new orleans. Nobody was show Zaylon. Does dunking Lebron through hope. Like when the Magyars balled up Jordan and I love the practice facility. That they'd recently given a spit-shine would be man Salvat thought he's like you'll get their foot work down he still. Who's that the whoever called the game of the day that late that you could noticeably? Tell like from his first game now he just looks lighter like he did pound. Just GonNa Start Falling off. I basketball that too I mean the NBA training like a whole like summer under his belt is like one of those things like Zionism showed to the summer lead. Two hundred fifty eight pounds with zero percent body fat. We've never seen anything like that boy's got a lot to that belt mark a lot of lot of biscuits. That boys should lose some weight by the way did Vandana just leave that game the other day no he. He came Ben Alexander. I thought he had Mike Tribalism. He just not talking no for a long time because one year tweet I was like I haven't heard from him in a while and then I didn't hear from him for a while after that it was something I could get a take your time but it was. It felt like they were the eagles back. Iron was like they can get a better shot than that. They're waiting for being granted to say something. The brings a APP yet though inbound the ball James will bring it up. I was ready to go to the bathroom or something. You heard his voice tendons dragonfly Jones. Said just just need. What the Hell's this shit? I'm hearing about hundred dollar tweet from dolf now. I'll put the grizzlies in the finals. If we get that to stay motion go fuck himself. I think I would like every single memphis. Rapper just jumps on this three six months. Don't don't let us see you. L. 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Because I haven't looked at the track list so I had no idea what was happening. I don't know if I had some sort of weird typo a blog or something So then I finally got to that album as I was GONNA be my processor And I listened to it and I was. It's like Oh that was that was good and it was track two or something so I just kept listening and I was like this isn't won't fuck with people talking about this is pretty good way too many songs long. It's fun but it's good a yellow tape. glocks heat I. I haven't listened yet. I will through boys Doozy I've unless you allow. Bb King last week and a half became a rise from the dead Equatorial L.. is asked to Lucille. Got Some Daddy that I've been listening to which are going to sell the truck or something listening to be became in. I've never really like done like a deep dive on bb King. I've always like I've always been name name three of his tapes. Some of his old stuff Another certain people out like last year and like November. Just like I've only listened rolling stones like when my father was driving. I've never gone out of the way to intentionally put them on and it wasn't because I had anything against them it was just like. Oh Yeah Yeah that was. That was that music And I was just like but one of the more. I caught bands of all time. Like why haven't I put them on. So I did a deep dive on like I'll do that every whenever really it hits me and the other day I was just like I've never listened to a shutdown Abebe. I Love Guitar. I I hate how it's I played by a lot of Modern AC so it's like yeah. Why don't I go? Listen to some of the greats streaming music man that is the the best part is streaming music because billions of dollars. An hour's of time include two buttons every song. Stevie wonder's ever record right. That's that's why I was always a nice school. I was a big debate in high school. I was only training my money on. Like Simpson's box sets and CDs. I had a shit ton ABC's before I got my first Laptop Freshman Year of college and could finally illegally down stuff like an adult But but yeah it did cost a shift on a money to have two by four or five albums a week on campus was. What's that it was like? It was my freshman year to a you had only for college students could yet. It use your college email to sign up but it was basically so you could download it just about any album. You wanted so you wouldn't illegally download stuff like there's no point like with the APP happy. You had it all saying they did that so you would not yet right Internet to illegally download the school find. The only thing was was that you could you basically stream it but not download it but then they figured out a hag where you download it too. So that's basically just free albums right started doing that. I think they should it down the same year. It was granted we try. We try to give up. We can't give Y'all shit hoodlums folks. We didn't have that. I feel like they offered us something. But it stunk so now unused it like. Even I remember a couple kids that who got caught downloading and got sued for like thousands of dollars. OLEA Anga calling her to pay. She had not been call platinum a because I'm good at. It does feel pretty random how they selected because there was a time after I dropped out. I was playing fast and loose with downloading torrents of like full seasons TV. TV doesn't fuck fuck around with that. Let me tell you was the dental whatever once you sharing so somebody else Cabello. I was never I shut all that sharing should off. No it as well as shutdown ozone nine. It says. I can't imagine how they made any money even if that was the point but glowing green when we had a hot year basically apple music before apple music music. If you love your unit anything more the suit like I I missed spotify like I feel like it came out right after I got out of college so I didn't have student rate. I could've got up but I was. I signed up for Bates Music the day dropped and and I had that for a smooth. I think it was like a full year year and a half before apple bought it and just converted it and Apple Music and that was one of the better calls I've had just being like Oh beats the headphone company owned by Dr Dre. The that I feel like uh-huh using music streaming is probably going to be okay and then it just turned an apple music perfect posted some people. Jeff spotify why you don't pay for me account. Let us the real questions family plan. We could fix this. Although at this point I don't even know what benefit that would be. I don't know what benefited ever was. I liked apple music interface vis the same music. I'M GONNA go with the one I liked to look. Ah Yeah that does seem to be the complaint. Even both sides of some people really hate apples. They prefer spotify. I feel like it's just whatever you had. I is the one you like. Switched also again as Apple Joy Amazon. Anybody with apple music like oh Bro. Oh you've got spotify. Nobody really cares on stand. droid the seven point six megapixel yet. We didn't care we did not care here so yeah I every on like almost opposite. Release the schedules like iphone comes out some number October in Samsung's coming out next month like early March and and not every year but every once in a while I I look over at Sam at Samsung's on just like they do have a Lotta Shit as I don't even use half the shit. My iphone does so y nobody does right and you can do all android. Nobody knows what you like what I like to look at. What's EASIES When I was like I'm tired of Illegally transferring music into a tour library. The very attuned it is cleaning could vary glean spot by my count. Coward put me on a plan withdrew. Children I'm Very okay with just having all apple products for everything Mamoulian. They've got me. You have one like you might as well once I actually figure out what airdrop the drop was I was like. Oh Boy Stig God damn redesigns with Blake tried to email or text myself. Something was like I've done a technology. Technology airdrop drop what also saved me thousands of hours instant. It's almost scary. How quick and easy leaded fire too fast? Be Uh right laptop phone watch a TV try. Do I have anything else. NOPE that's it. I don't I do have that to your own. Oh headphones yeah I'll of why don't you Listen skull candies make they've got the Decibel multiplier so like when I worked at the the underground radio radio station in Boston for a little bit. One of the better audio engineers New England work there and he was like. I don't know why everyone shits on beats like I. It's fun to do but they they've They've mastered a lot of stuff like no one else has been able to do Many was like bose imposes figured out Stuff better than a lot of people in the south. They can't figure out beats is figuring out so it's like a stupid come together. It'd be perfect but they'll never do that. So if you like one thing go there. If you like the other thing go here that's all it is Fabio Music whiskers. Yes I was Ruckus. Dial up game free agent. Yeah I wish a The mix tape APPs were better mixed. Eight BAP stink. That's Elaine bring one and then somebody will create an opposing. Losing one people yellow-bellied. They will the the only yelling I even entertain or that I think is is fair like I don't think apple verse Androids Fair Think Apple's blowing tomorrow water The only one I think's fair and usually pretty even as and this is GonNa be very upset playstation whereas xbox. Es are gets Superior System System from plant playstation for twenty years. You switch now. No Oh and I get the creature convert but I find myself doing very unsustainable very stupid thing where I switch In between every time the generation comes out so I went from. PS Two three sixty. I didn't have a PS three. So I stayed with Xbox xbox one then I got A. ps four as chaos. Yeah I didn't say it was good idea. I've just that's what I've done. It has a the American car next one will be Japanese. Excellent beat from Detroit a poor example of taking us. I feel like people like all sorts of cars from all over the place Not Car people hipbones your phone people. That was the Campbell listened to beats. They just you might as well just yell the music to yourself. Yeah I can't believe you're buying domestic this country you think. Jay Leno has a an airport hangar. Full of only. US built vehicles. He he got his leg. I built on Mars like driving the argument. Would Roy blackbeard. So I will say I've been since hall now. I find myself listening. Having more time to listener podcasts. Where working in an office and taking the train not as much I've been listening to a more rogin just because I haven't had that time since I lived here before he thirties phones. I'm sure you may have. I've seen some videos taken off. These phones go viral every once in a while called Wa wa phones that only I won't say only China China has but they don't know manufacturer or service in America will support them because they think it's like the Chinese government trying to draw Charlie one of their classic fast one on us to Like we do a single thing to stop it. If they were right they also own tick tock like the Chinese government had no problem with that so I don't know what does arbitrary line. We're dry every face swap at any of them shoes to papa can't believe you're doing that out on a swamp is gonNa tell me how old I look But these phones like apple will. They'll release like every six months to a year sometimes. Do that like half release but every six months to a year Android the same way. These people are putting them out like almost like every month like the new version and improving drastically on each one. Do not even like minor stuff. And they're the ones who their cameras zoom like. I don't even know. Oh how to describe it without making. It seem like I'm making like full of Shit. But they won last came out from it was like from a like a high rise project like tenement like of the top like the top floor and they zoomed in on on like got a dominoes game across the street on a table to show you like what domino was laying flat on this. Count the DOTS REA-. Yeah it was like even that zoom whatever X. Zoom. That was was clear that like any regular picture. You take now phones and I was just like well. Maybe we should China already like get these phone Zoe. Let's let's quit the bellyaching the Hummer Watch some of it showed like from a live from satellite. It zoomed in to the point. Were you could see a bird flying adept point. I was like man. Oh man one. We're fucked to. It may take it anyway. At least give me like the camera with the eighty six x zoom right like he just kept like zooming in Blake. Okay now you see outlet of the state now the city. Here's a here's a park. Here's a tree. Here's a bird Flan and zoom back out. Oh four yeah. Whatever whatever technology we have I feel like like the army had twenty twenty years ago? Fifty Eisenhower Ahead Ample Museum. They don't tell them what it was available now but I truly believe yet Millard. Fillmore had apple TV another great undergo APP TO APP seamlessly in everybody else's like what's an aptitude now whoops. Today's yeah it's a upsetting the technology that exists that they have to spoon feed us like it. Just just make a drastic jump one here. Don't even tell anyone why just the NBA a job because like everyone. It'll weed out the old sobe done once and for all which they can't even have what we have now who cares With the rest of us like we grew up with remotes and shit in our hands like we know oh how to do that and kids younger than us. They're probably already board by the current technology. They need that job cases to unlock go to certain APP. Call certain people. You can't read. You know the outline of that looks like grandma right. That's how smart kids are now. So so you just give us the get a little bit at a time when the NFL salary cap but one jump like when it was a commercial commercial or Donald Subject I was like. Oh Wow in the seventies is like You can have a soda on your flight. Wow Technology it at the same time. It's like no no. This jet can go sideways disappear in be Afghanistan and four seconds cuts back to the commercials. Like look you can even extend your chair back. Will how just give us a little case. Yeah I'm ready for. I'm ready for a jump. That'll cripple half of society and make the rest of US exponentially stronger. I like you have to agree to Woodside. You'RE GONNA end up on but the ice. I'm fine with it. I'm confident I'm confident. I could do it. COMPUTE EC computers. The first I computers at the size of Rhode Island. You mean to tell me like ten years. They had them Like like desktops sloppy Floppy disks by nineteen it was I was like it went from floppy disks. Now you have a flash drive. Now the Shit's the cloud. How it'll you don't even need to have anything to save anything you telling me? This came out in the last years. It was like if I if I shut off this video game. I will have to start from the beginning because they considered saving an option. You look you can pause it either. I don't even think I ever I was last time. You press the a save button again on a game for what it automatically does on it. That's what I'm saying. The last time you manually saved saved on. I'll do it. That's again just me being old like savings devan memory cars and it don't save so it'll like auto say and I'll go save another one but that's is leaving like extra risk a risk averse because I'm old but now now I'm trying to explain memory cards manipulative. Just looking at me like woody talking about. Why don't we beat? Why don't you just save it on playstation network? Will you understand network didn't exist first one. We even know that word yet. Dude that whenever you talk just log out of your account to another Gal l.. Let you don't understand. One of US had to be Mario One of his head to we we were. You could either save the game or insert a pack that allow your controller to rumble. Couldn't have bolt. It was an either or situation. Netanyahu way beheaded you hear a the NBA players chatter through the controller. Listen until I was a grown man. What do you mean you mean to tell me? If somebody got traded they just stayed on the entire team. Yes and now get updated before the tree but at least the soundtracks were good. Actually it was a eight bit songs somebody made and it was the only song that play so. I hope you like that one song. That was the best buy like about Mario Somehow able to make very dark. Eight bit music for when Bowyer was coming up it was like a water level this music slightly tolerable but the this is what. I'm doing some light hearted a fish me bad but the number two. Yeah this is a cloud level. This music may put meet asleep now and then some more than other. He's like but they were the same size. I was like. Yeah it fucks. Let's be up to what a terrible diet judge flag off with. I had so much fun I was like. This is sixty four Bits of graphic. You say Nintendo well. I'd like to see that sticks. Sixty five when you've got to be president get Kinda cleared. Love plan a game Morgan. Dress real quick trying to play a game composite and leave it. Come back right where I lived here. I'm sure you could let you just walk out. Oh I forgot to save him. Cut off the game The apple actually. I'll just keep playing on my phone. I'll just airdrop it here and keep the save game. Data switch was like. Hey man if you just on like just ripped the screen out that we've built on the inside of us Mechanism Yuga just play it on the move. You never have to stop by taking the whole shit. Didn't have no up the core like damn I don't got the red white and yellow cords. Were cooked now by now. He's plug a USB into the poor dealt with those courses. Excuse me they all man. Those Channel Channel Four. I used to have a separate because my TV didn't have the red reality but it had like a coaxial cable so into that screwed like a converter that two buttons buttons that a and it had be you can screw in or you can plug in the red white and Yellow Air. If you smashed be buddy or cooking. A Smith's a burned Danielle kitchen. The family a was Echoed Watch the the seven channels via antenna remember from Nintendo Super Nintendo broadcasters. Got A embiid Dow pay at. You mean there's x and y there's a left and right shirt like my hands are configured for the brain and walking under he gets them old video game a a podcast about. That's why I know he takes the Yeah I started with Super Nintendo. You cut our machines I didn't realize there had been one previous until I was like Tad. I just thought Baden cocky as hell. They're like nonetheless listening fucking super regular. I don't know why they God bless that's the president was like maybe it shouldn't just be like a square or a rectangle the sharpest control you ever You just hold a checkbook another thing. No one listened this as any idea what it listen. Listen even me who still uses a check to pay rent every month. I can't imagine doing like balancing a checkbook because that was the only only way to know how much money you still wouldn't poor this Montana at a write this out to the store. You're adding literally right at how much money I was spending to the letter Why an twenty nine over one hundred cents day? Ah I had a right what it was four or else. I'd have no idea two months thirty two eighty four. Then I'd assign it Take you to a place physically. They would run it and I would go home and track it as it were staying. Why don't you just use you crunch? You're not getting me. Why don't you just push the power button on your phone twice aimed at your face and then pushed it up against the thing? That's how I buy things. Dad You idiots just use a onto us your apple apple pay. There was no apple. Apples were just a fruit. That was all going form of Sun balancing a checkbook. It was if I got the balance where either two days of getting it evicted. Were on some vacation. You'd be in the Grocery Rosaries They'd have to write the check which is already like we don't trust numbers. You also have to spell it out. So then we're we're Indian the thirty sixty four three hundred eighty six thousand dollars sixty four and then at before they even had the check. They'd have to write all sentenced in the front page. The man like so many field trips paid with checks like somebody had together all those checks like take him to the bank as I read. Ah Ten classes of thirty kids in. ps I've got three hundred years. We can go see. fucking Johnny appleseed Birdhouse I I ate my life why the guy at the bank processes the check just like you run these. She is one by one. Yes some of them I get declined. Bounces the garden yeah balanced bouncing we go check bounces. It's like yeah we know this took a week and we have no way to track down to settle this those goods. It's a far gone the goods and services depleting. You can't out to check anymore. That's just not a thing you can do in modern times it will let you. I know immediately by. You Ain't got it today before as like I might have it today. I'm balance my checkbook. We'll see if we got lunch. Thank you also. Proprietor of this establishment. You'll find out if I've got it or not for several days. Big On first we were. I'm going to sell you the lawn mower you have to promise me. That has seventy two Hours I'M NOT GONNA find out. This was bad. I promise I'll pay for this Cadillac. You Take Cha ah a check yes three states away. Then you're fine partly by thirty thousand in one over over one hundred dollars certain need to balance that checkbook. I'm fine no I'm good faking a check that feels so much easier than dealing with like counterfeit money but we need missile counterfeit bills. We can watch them checks weekend. You couldn't even credit card yet. They didn't exist. There's been poor like I'm not doing math. I I got a general idea of it like I obeyed a little bit. I spent a little bit. Yeah I see why everyone used cash back then. It was which is way easier to do math like no. This is all the money I have. I can see. I don't have to remember a vital member. Everything like didn't how forgot to move that money over out. GimMe two seconds. I'll literally log in right now. which over before it's like oh or what I'm about to do is selling this? Yeah the way the way my bag set up used to be a legitimate excuse Kenmare that will like the last day he could challender balance a checkbook sweep. I'd have to check my bank account to even know where to start. I'd already already be treating. That's you start. Start a new by as of right now. Dow is busy. Rosen will have enough to pay rent and the car note where we we shall see Donald L.. Knock on the door here. The Blue White light doing so we found out they uses kept lights my day a bouncing Jackson. Yeah good what a great feeling. It must be just writing a check. No you ain't no. They don't know that in my business. I eighty six hundred dollars. Yeah Okay Don the memo for auto mobile abandoned though you just up thinking like like ninety two you get the biggest. TV on the market you get the best sounds of the market. It doesn't even all fit in your house. That's how much equipment you're trying to leave with. I got the swiftest getaway repo up to drugs to get all that stuff back said. Boil boy listen. Some are a legit had four thousand how to know I didn't TV's big as hell and costs more than they do today for some reason awesome and their way off material those vacuum tubes. She helped me awesome very poor. So what are you talking about. You couldn't just charge controllers trollers. You'd be like taking more than eleven inches away from the television is cited Shit. Now what do you mean if you ran out of batteries. You weren't allowed to play gameboy anymore. A plummeted Lewa dumbed down. Now it's running a little bit slower because the bad it's demer cutting in and out. The lights afflict run by a discharge. It was I remember that that was that was a feature game gear. Had that you could actually charge it into the wall and I remember on a field trip to a movie. One one of the kids had is game. Gear plugged into the law and it was so much machinery and the smallest screen. It's like not even a big screen like the the game gear. The game gear was about three percent screen in the risk battery church. You can kill a man with a game gear. Ah Gameboy heavily like a second base. The original can't even call black and white. Green and Gray Gameboy That thing with the color. They slimmed down tremendously for. But the original gameboy woods woods massive. I'm GONNA came with the game like the thing. We could basically just take sales. But he's like. Oh yes. What is this new technology I'm looking game gears nowadays things. Are you GE- so this is yes. this is awesome boy encounter by callers. Maybe the real deal I've ever used in my entire life. I'm ready a game. Wish you were. If you had a game boy game you could like put it in the cartridge. They go inside Super Nintendo. Aw Aw I was bad bitch all my while. I'm playing so much. College swam the minute college thing. This is when Kentucky was Kentucky Kentucky. I was like no way. He's beating me so not that there's a way to play another human being but if not the way to play any other human being beside my uncle like ninety six ninety seven ninety eighty eight stat to remember the the top of the Gameboy had that like that little black snake. It's like plastic strip. That was supposed to be like infrared or something. If you like held it against another one they could like technically talk to Louis Jenner and you could trade like pokey modern ship that way. Imagine trying to do that with modern kid would slap you in the face. My system don't directly in the red light at them. Might you bland and I was like. Oh Dan I don't WANNA be blind. How much brand new gameboy would cost? Saving thing of evaded. Isn't going to be two dollars or two million dollars. I'm saying used ones going for like seventy Phil Steep. I don't even think seventy was the price back then million twenty dollars which there's two million or two million which was eight million this person just selling the the box gameboy came came in. Why would I want that? To put your Gameboy in the point and for sale the running running a game KNOB WANNA be again. World Declare College slammed the eleventh worst computer game ever released. This is the peak of entertainment. So actually Dick. This game stinks. Yeah Ron Mercer's three point average is actually not dead on I found a new gameboy color is going for nine hundred in eighty seven fifty still. I can't find any other colored new any game. Critics accused of being a thinly veiled repackaging. NBA Jam. Yeah no shit ask. Ah You your icy Cola hoops. You'd what the audacity audacity the gall gall The Marathi something similar also successful unreal acclaim. You would never called. That's not the way I knew love. I've played more. NFL NFL blitz. Than I can care to admit to this is a great game let's blitz might just blitz let's an MBA. I don't know why everyone jumps. NBA Street volume to the first one with Jordan. It must be yeah. That'd be a street. The first one was tremendous in. Its own right everyone always jumps with too great. No doubt but I'm here to give the first one. I did not like street. HOOPS street hoops. I did not care for now as they went like. They're trying to do this differently. But it's like it'd be a street was basically perfection like right. It's not really going to improve on that right. And it's like the Allen Insane prove that the way MBA street branched out was just by aww NFL as well. Because I ran up to three really good games to the. NFL extreme was like the rip off. Blit sounds like I need both of these albums judge here. Yeah we'll see. Blitz was incredible edible Golden Guy Right now like people played ages when when must be China. Thank your Tony Hawk Guy now absolutely agate. Problems otherwise The Demo the came with the playstation one we use together and just play the demo. There was just the first level with With Tony Hawk Right Yup. Once we found out like they're more like of black skater. We all gotta get the game. We're all Korean. A that game I gave it was a great unite of people. Can you can you not bro Right. I remember I used to have an index X card. Not even like an eight math like not even like one of the standard five by seven like this was one of the big one of the biggest presentation Uh right and that had every like more than three Combo trick written out on it until I was studying for the sat's price. They are all of it. I had talking rob at Moscow bucky lays the whole gang gang was shredding. Unlock the high school. I'm a real bad award back at A. It gave me such a false representation of like how easy it was to skateboard. And how little pain was caused by Following you IOS followed Sean. Do the nine hundred fell on my head but he I'm back Eddie right up no more of a wing A- and you go so high like watching. The Games was underwhelming compared to donate Rosetta. These guys aren't going dearly forty feet. Hi like they do in the videogame. DO I. Ain't go nine hundred. Christ they're like I would and then stall out for for fourteen in seconds. How long can I hold this grind booth four Fall there is just fail. They try to all into Combos and keep driving you just a so now. I'm not GONNA do it. I was about to resign from Tony. Hawk's Leucopenia with that same for another day. This could be anything. It's called the tease. But I wanted. How Shit about the audience using teasing you you went to Tony Hawkes wikipedia? Tony Romo is basically is just one of those. If I read this paragraph I did it another four hours. I'm not not again at at. Some point is basically. He turned like after. I'm guessing the first one activision realize what a hit. It was never like Tony Literatures by you. You out you know. We're just the name and he was like no but the second one he had made ten times he was scheduled by keeping his name on it but they still make them. Do they still make like aiding games. I remember this was at least a decade ago at this point a game. I just called Skate. Came Out GERN and I remember that was like revolutionary. Thank the way it like. I think it was one of those one of the first continuous play games like there were no load screens any of that. So that was huge jobs as for video games in general I think the second one I know they made to. I can't remember how the second one was received simpsons skateboarding of course US dear very special place my heart but I feel like they made one last time doesn't kind of like did they. Phase Eh did did I get off. Adele's I can't even remember like seeing or hearing about one reason have one playstation four The last one came out. How okay? So where what one gal for playstation for the last one came out in twenty fifteen for ps three and xbox three sixty stock. I I had a great soundtrack to tremendous soundtrack. It's like Dan when I really think about it because I'm not superman. This is one of the all time. Just Games as as Now now I'm member but now the n sixty four had like a jet ski game wavering. wave run. That game was fire trying to think what else tried to do. The Dave Mirra like people love skateboarding bicycling as well. That's why I don't wait like I see what you're doing wave runner. But I've chosen my side with Tony. Hawk like would would ruin Gilford with me. If I jumped. Ship can't have grown Yet a game I was about the pertz about to hand much it to the cashier to purchase the game. I just imagine room Doing a seven twenty over my shoulder. I didn't do shoutout Isaac Bruce I yes long vinyl shadowed edgerrin James long-overdue. Finally there's not outs where we're really pulling for all right. Let's go to Paula Malaita. In Steep Hutchinson getting didn't one of like one auditable Alba Avalon. Member thing is I feel like. I've seen his name on their hundred times. I'm glad you got injure see the inductees. Jimmy Jimmy Johnson Finals we already got. The answers may wire fire is approved at water's at Hutchinson to yet to stay together so long that he should have been Hudson Hudson albums of Lima. Just never know like I remember really good I just I never know at water should have been in the. I'm glad he's in Pol Malo Bruce Edge Elliott. Damn excited Frederick James Speech because I he's not a dude who goes out and does a ton of media but every interview I've heard him on whereas like like like more relaxed. Modern interviewees hysterical. I think they should do it from the Strip. Also he can keep the speed. I need to see the the bus. Because if they don't put gold teeth on the bus they can keep every was last year right Yep slashing that was a strong bust sti- feel like they were saying a bust renaissance. This would get the people in you show a bronze bust but the actual gold fronts on it. I go to Kansas. You can't wait 'til Isaac Bruce calls out every other wide receiver and so these better than them runs up on stage numbers and gets beat up. thusly by Bruce by everybody well all of Kansas This is a good time like we've been waiting to do this for so long soon. Shut all lamb This was always supposed to be the year. Kobe got in right Knicks Jurors last game was with twenty six. I don't know the last thing I saw was there automatically putting him in but with Garnett and Donkin which was always supposed to be the class. So that's why I was like wasn't supposed to be there she Twenty sixteen so it would have been twenty some guests in the other way weird wait a year so those guys can go or do it. Now I mean I guess it doesn't matter anymore L. Stinks it's not great side. The show's official stance on the matter at hand But Yeah Tony only hawkes pro skater. Things of that nature Guilford ed skaters from all over the world. Also it's backgrounds like they truly add some for everyone like a for very first game day. He hit out of the park. Oh Yeah Listen I. I didn't know anyone like every other game. We mentioned it was like I knew a lot of people who played it but not everyone everyone play. Tony Hawk would. Did you unlock the Ice Skating Roswell yet. Yeah man he go behind the certain door. You see the aliens liens. Roswell was fire loss on good. Banjo is the Banjo is played a little because we will be K.. Boys little forever. The rapper mamre. Okay all right all right Banjo is I wish I was on the pitch meeting for Banjo. kazoo crash bandicoot a coup much much worse. So you gotTa Bear Right now. Bears are pretty tall. This guy's about three feet tall uh-huh it's GonNa back back all right all right. Well Miss Backpack. Glad you asked. It's a pterodactyl like bird. He just keeps the road run on his back. Basically hooted delays Seek out sage wisdom from anyone. Yes as a highly highly racist Shaaban that's going to do most of the heavy lifting. I'm in green light. Anita beckers how about about this way to sell you a two games. I've already got the name for the sequel and it's not about the bose my own ordinary but it's pretty good Fangio a job to okay. We're putting calls on Banjo because the we one we need about Thanksgiving I want to play that right now as you really don't promise you I do. I've had more fun played Banjo Zoe. That I've had doing anything else in my life. You played how to Everwood. Acadian was I spend more than three seconds on the no drug batches live playing Banjo. Kazoo the witch but I forgot the dangerous GRUNGY is revenge out of the game but that inspire over such wholesome games for for like eleven year olds yeah. I think that's why I was like man. This gentleman fake triangle on Tomb Raider. I'm too old for this. It spirals like Dragon Hill. They'll do some dragon stuff. But he's he's like a four year old dragon he Harder goal it preferred to blow firearm. You'd rather talk it out. Make on push them close to the age. Yeah Besar Bitch. Nice Guy Zili recipes. Tom The number one Andy Reid Fan I always I now. Now he's eating an ice nice football up in the sky firs for his pal recipes fodor yes recipes bow yes recipes nets. TMC recipes aiden. Yes recipes Kobe. This car care found Flint Lomas Flint. Please his please and thank you. We we brandon guard that win next year but noted noted jerk collapsed. Gamble apple wanted this year ago. Did so much good for the community and I think did we all get together. We could jump on his back. It wouldn't affect in any way but we'd really show him how we feel very take guy monster notice. Yeah yeah when he goes jagged. Don't feel like it used to you. Got Twelve Roman. Are you bet. Look like a three can. Can you get it all now. There they are car he keeps these clearly the best man on his team multiple times. But we're GONNA get a best in the league next year. The Walter Payton Walter Payton manning the year. I almost feel a bad bringing those upset after we've clearly signed up that trophy verses the MVP trophy is one of the larger bloodbaths in modern American. Tad's I can't believe how much better Walter drove is the MVP trophy Just to fall. Oh Yeah Okay Yeah. I've seen other no that. That was a trout. Buffalo is very Sassy zips Cape the MVP trophies like at the teen teen choice awards. It's Tong holding the NFL logo. It stinks. It's I'd give a bit like I played on the record burbot. Nothing's I don't even want his mind like I got high school trophies better than this. MVP trophies should steal the crystal ball from college football the ball. Yeah it's gotTa be some. You can hold buggy. Even Lamar was holding it. Like I guess I'll hold it right here. It looks like it looks like the award that they would give the best writer of an episode of the season for the jetsons. Yeah one thousand nine hundred sixty six. Yeah what they thought about. The future might look like the terrible terrible and Super Bowl. Someone asked me this last night. The Super Bowl. That'd be Stephen Get like a physical award. It's feels like an answer I should know but I don't it's there. It's Kinda like the crystal ball honestly. It's like a you know what it looks silver. I'm not sure if it's silver or bronze in the light but it's like MVP and really big letters on one side. It's it's not great but it's much it's fine you can pick it up you can host it you can sit it flat. It's shoots on the regular. BP Trophy which is really netters. Yeah it really does. Yeah okay I see the vision with the that one's fine but the regular bp some gotta shape yeah that awards embarrassing and you have to do so much work for a non no more people start realizing what it looked like. I think people start putting like mahomes got that one I mean my knee does hurt. Let me wilted silver football needed needed so congratula chiefs. We'll see you guys literally tomorrow.

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KD's Epic Run, NBA Super-Whiners, Fear The North, and Throne Game with Ryen Russillo | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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KD's Epic Run, NBA Super-Whiners, Fear The North, and Throne Game with Ryen Russillo | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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But yeah, if you ever want to know about teen culture tuned into channel thirty three tomorrow. That's when that episodes drop coming up Ryan, and I have a latte to get to in the basketball world and then game of thrones as well. But I our friends from tic TAC and melody. Annan? Oh, yeah. You're there. On my pain. It's. This is such a family production. Really is gotta hand somebody. I'm gonna show up one day and your wife's can be here in the podcast. Like, we're doing do something on chicken dishes. Feels like what does that we talk about? How to raise a chicken lots to talk about since the last time. We did this Dame Lillard hit the thirty seven footer and ended the okay CC's. We'll get to that later. The most topical talk about words rackets game on it feels like the finals. What does it feel like the finals is just the whining? There was winding during the game. There's whining after the game. It really feels like we've hit some officiating tipping point, where this is just now how we watch basketball where we're going to debate. What's the foul wasn't a foul? People blind people are foul blaming foul shaming James hearted you caused this. If you didn't flop so much, and maybe when you actually did get Foued, people would know, you got fouled. Everybody's complaining. It is the most ornery series for for impactful series that I think we've had any Zoli game one. I hate this stuff. Right. I'll start there. I know. And the thing is I wanted to tell you we do a really good job. I think when we hang out we and do a routine. We don't talk about really how we're gonna do the pod. Yeah. And I almost request. Is there any way we can talk about the basketball part of this first? But no, let's do that. Are you serious? Yeah. Let's talk basketball. I don't think it's wrong to do the rest thing. I I just don't joy because there's so much. Good basketball's that wasn't a great gain. But there's just all these little things that I enjoy waiting for. Let's get it out in the top that we just hate this. And we hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Nobody likes the NBA more than us. And it's just have as run like, oh, cool every possession. Everybody's acting like a kid was kidnapped. It is. So Michael Lewis on this podcast. We ran it last week is doing this podcast visiting. Yeah. Yeah. And he was he was saying how if you really studied this stuff. It's the best players are the ones who rose bitching. And now you have this series where you have Chris Paul James harden. Kevin durant? The forwards gave six of the of the best most entitled guys in the league in there on the same series. And they think they should get every call. And that's, you know, the hardest thing I don't know. What is let's just do. It was just like well 'cause I don't want to do it until we do it. All right. All right. Let me let me ask you about basketball. Okay. So what are your basketball reactions about what this game meant for the rest of the series? This was mono mono. So there is to motto amount of things going on this weekend. Right. This was quiet against the Sixers and quiet certain himself as the best point in that Sears. So regardless of how that series plays out allies, laid the groundwork. I'm the best part in the series. Maybe the best player in east, and maybe the best part in the is. But I'm definitely the best put in this series. So that was the first thing second thing was it was Durant verse hardened to rent was better. And this was we talked about this last week US me who would I want in the playoffs. And I said I'd want James higher than you were like at a no dude haven't seen him doing the playoffs yet. I think I would take the rant and then you made me waiver now Mike Faulk right three when the finals of PB LeBron twice. He saw today. We saw in game six game sixty. He was just one of those things guys in Boston. I was in my hotel and Gaza text me like when you get in here. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't think I wanna be around anyone. I just wanna sit my room just watch Najib and just not be distracted by anything almost that in game five to. I felt like that went away from me had like forty five. Good sixty in that gained. So okay. He's over two hundred points and five games that sees there's four guy. Who did? It was Iverson. Jordan Everson, Jordan, LeBron LeBron and Kevin Durant. That's it. No. That was a great. 'cause we saw that on sportscenter great stat and your outbursts for it was great because it was perfect you go, wait a minute. That's a real stat. He you think of all the static at their owning. Like, okay. What does that really mean? How does that change with three point shooting? Now, what we you know, some of the older stats? I always kinda go, you know, a lot of stuff's pace. Like when those guys were screaming about we'll Chamberlain not having the MVP last week and the playoffs. It was Van Gundy. Breen in Jackson. They were talking about Wiltz numbers. And you're like if you go